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From The Guardian:

In 2005, riots broke out across the Parisian banlieues. The insurrection was, in part, a protest against inequality, and yet segregation has increased in the years since.

Tis a puzzlement why French car owners don’t want to live near youths who have a tradition of burning cars.

 
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  1. Ha! Car-B-Q is still one of your best.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Thanks, but somebody else made it up. I may have gotten it from Mark Steyn.

  2. It seems that wherever white people are a majority, brutal segregation and racism occur. This is why there should be no majority white communities

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Like the brutal segregating border between Norway and Sweden?

    Oh wait... maybe it's that segregation occurs when non-whites live with whites.

    Calling Dr. Occam... Calling Dr. Occam...

    , @Bert
    @Anonymous

    I'm expecting a whole lot of folks here will fall for this and decide to respond.

    Poor predictable iSteve.

    , @boogerbently
    @Anonymous

    You forgot to add the .

    You WERE kidding, right ?
    Obviously the more "majority white" the community, the less " brutal segregation and racism occur. "

  3. I thought you might be punching down vs the Grauniad, but evidently it is the world’s second most popular English-language newspaper website, as of late 2014.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/oct/21/the-guardian-overtakes-new-york-times-in-comscore-traffic-figures

    (Huffpo) is followed by CNN (67.7 million) and then Mail Online third, the Guardian fourth and New York Times rounding out the top five.

    So
    1. Leftist
    2. Leftist
    3. Rightist, kind of
    4. Leftist
    5. Leftist

    But the comments sections are rightist judging by the NYT, not sure what goes on in the other comments sections.

  4. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Ha! Car-B-Q is still one of your best.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, but somebody else made it up. I may have gotten it from Mark Steyn.

  5. The immigrant banlieues in France seem like a glaring counter point to the economic arguments for immigration.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Massimo Heitor

    Ah, but due to the increase in GDP due to the extra car production, French car production has received a much needed boost. If every Frenchman could have their car destroyed every second year or so, it would be an economic miracle. Just have to spread around the banlieues around section 8 style so every Frenchman gets appropriately enriched. Locksmiths and security system companies would also flourish. Just as long as the police cracked down hard on broken window vandals, as it is well known that particular aspect of vandalism has no economic benefits.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Tony, @FPD72

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Massimo Heitor

    "The immigrant banlieues in France seem like a glaring counter point to the economic arguments for immigration."

    Just about every "community" of third-world immigrants in the world is just such a glaring counter-point.

  6. @Anonymous
    It seems that wherever white people are a majority, brutal segregation and racism occur. This is why there should be no majority white communities

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Bert, @boogerbently

    Like the brutal segregating border between Norway and Sweden?

    Oh wait… maybe it’s that segregation occurs when non-whites live with whites.

    Calling Dr. Occam… Calling Dr. Occam…

  7. Yeah, even if you had insurance that would get old fast. And your rates would go up.

  8. @Massimo Heitor
    The immigrant banlieues in France seem like a glaring counter point to the economic arguments for immigration.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Mr. Anon

    Ah, but due to the increase in GDP due to the extra car production, French car production has received a much needed boost. If every Frenchman could have their car destroyed every second year or so, it would be an economic miracle. Just have to spread around the banlieues around section 8 style so every Frenchman gets appropriately enriched. Locksmiths and security system companies would also flourish. Just as long as the police cracked down hard on broken window vandals, as it is well known that particular aspect of vandalism has no economic benefits.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @Anonym

    And just think what it would do for fertility numbers if murder rates skyrocketed! Heck, what they really need is another World War.

    Replies: @Anonym

    , @Tony
    @Anonym

    "Just as long as the police cracked down hard on broken window vandals, as it is well known that particular aspect of vandalism has no economic benefits."

    Safelite wouldnt think so.

    , @FPD72
    @Anonym

    Ah, a reader of Frederic Bastiat! Great joke!

  9. I think Theodore Dalrymple mentioned somewhere that the French government forced insurance companies to pay out on cars torched in riots ten years ago in order to prevent a violent public reaction to the rioting.

  10. @Anonymous
    It seems that wherever white people are a majority, brutal segregation and racism occur. This is why there should be no majority white communities

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Bert, @boogerbently

    I’m expecting a whole lot of folks here will fall for this and decide to respond.

    Poor predictable iSteve.

  11. The same reason so many urban black communities are a wreck – it’s not just whites that don’t want to live near dysfunctional low income blacks, it’s other black people as well. White flight gets blamed by a lot of lefties, but the departure of blacks whose cultural habits are more like the majority of society and who imposed some level of order on the more rowdy members of the community probably has a lot more to do with it. Not that I can blame them.

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    @Arclight

    I do blame them.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Arclight

    Arclight said, "... White flight gets blamed by a lot of lefties, but the departure of blacks whose cultural habits are more like the majority of society and who imposed some level of order on the more rowdy members of the community probably has a lot more to do with it".

    The Fair Housing Act of 1968 had a lot to do with it; middle class blacks got the hell away from the "bad" blacks as fast as they could and left them in the ghettos. See Prince Georges County, Maryland.

  12. Baby you can burn my car, and maybe I’ll love you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anon

    "Baby you can burn my car, and maybe I’ll love you."

    That's good.

  13. Our Civil War ended 150 years ago and we still have ongoing racial strife as though it were just yesterday. The French have signed up for a state of affairs that’ll last literally forever. Learn to live with it, it’s not going to go away.

    • Replies: @greysquirrell
    @anonymous

    The French have it worse because their problem population is Muslim . Atleast (in the US) the Blacks and Hispanics worship the same god and speak the same language whereas Islam seeks to totally overthrow the culture of the host and supplant it with Arabian culture. Islam's strict unwavering and uncompromising ideology means the French will have to capitulate or stand up for their culture ; the later seems unlikely in any great measure.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

  14. @Anonym
    @Massimo Heitor

    Ah, but due to the increase in GDP due to the extra car production, French car production has received a much needed boost. If every Frenchman could have their car destroyed every second year or so, it would be an economic miracle. Just have to spread around the banlieues around section 8 style so every Frenchman gets appropriately enriched. Locksmiths and security system companies would also flourish. Just as long as the police cracked down hard on broken window vandals, as it is well known that particular aspect of vandalism has no economic benefits.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Tony, @FPD72

    And just think what it would do for fertility numbers if murder rates skyrocketed! Heck, what they really need is another World War.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @WowJustWow

    A worldwide civil war perhaps.

  15. @Massimo Heitor
    The immigrant banlieues in France seem like a glaring counter point to the economic arguments for immigration.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Mr. Anon

    “The immigrant banlieues in France seem like a glaring counter point to the economic arguments for immigration.”

    Just about every “community” of third-world immigrants in the world is just such a glaring counter-point.

  16. @Anon
    Baby you can burn my car, and maybe I'll love you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Baby you can burn my car, and maybe I’ll love you.”

    That’s good.

  17. @Arclight
    The same reason so many urban black communities are a wreck - it's not just whites that don't want to live near dysfunctional low income blacks, it's other black people as well. White flight gets blamed by a lot of lefties, but the departure of blacks whose cultural habits are more like the majority of society and who imposed some level of order on the more rowdy members of the community probably has a lot more to do with it. Not that I can blame them.

    Replies: @Cryptogenic, @Jim Don Bob

    I do blame them.

  18. @anonymous
    Our Civil War ended 150 years ago and we still have ongoing racial strife as though it were just yesterday. The French have signed up for a state of affairs that'll last literally forever. Learn to live with it, it's not going to go away.

    Replies: @greysquirrell

    The French have it worse because their problem population is Muslim . Atleast (in the US) the Blacks and Hispanics worship the same god and speak the same language whereas Islam seeks to totally overthrow the culture of the host and supplant it with Arabian culture. Islam’s strict unwavering and uncompromising ideology means the French will have to capitulate or stand up for their culture ; the later seems unlikely in any great measure.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @greysquirrell


    Atleast (in the US) the Blacks and Hispanics worship the same god and speak the same language whereas Islam seeks to totally overthrow the culture of the host and supplant it with Arabian culture. Islam’s strict unwavering and uncompromising ideology means the French will have to capitulate or stand up for their culture ; the later seems unlikely in any great measure.
     
    This may be true, many French Muslims have a deep seemingly permanent hatred for ethnic French and classic France, but some French Muslims from Algeria really have assimilated a genuinely French identity. Even socialist politicain, Malek Boutih, son of Algerian immigrants, is sharply critical of the problems with Muslim immigrant populations. Many French Muslims are even voting for Marine Le Pen.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

  19. Timing is interesting. Today, Boris Johnson – the Mayor of the City of London – had a longish open letter on social media in which he actually asked why Britain is taking in so many “migrants” despite the obvious reticence among the actual British people to do so.

    I find it interesting that the problem cited in London identified by “activists” is that too many middle and upper-middle class people are moving in to places like the Docklands or Canary Wharf, making it harder for immigrants to afford it.

    That is to say, people who are likely predominantly British are pushing out immigrants, who apparently deserve to be there more.

    We live in strange times.

  20. @Anonymous
    It seems that wherever white people are a majority, brutal segregation and racism occur. This is why there should be no majority white communities

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Bert, @boogerbently

    You forgot to add the .

    You WERE kidding, right ?
    Obviously the more “majority white” the community, the less ” brutal segregation and racism occur. ”

  21. @Arclight
    The same reason so many urban black communities are a wreck - it's not just whites that don't want to live near dysfunctional low income blacks, it's other black people as well. White flight gets blamed by a lot of lefties, but the departure of blacks whose cultural habits are more like the majority of society and who imposed some level of order on the more rowdy members of the community probably has a lot more to do with it. Not that I can blame them.

    Replies: @Cryptogenic, @Jim Don Bob

    Arclight said, “… White flight gets blamed by a lot of lefties, but the departure of blacks whose cultural habits are more like the majority of society and who imposed some level of order on the more rowdy members of the community probably has a lot more to do with it”.

    The Fair Housing Act of 1968 had a lot to do with it; middle class blacks got the hell away from the “bad” blacks as fast as they could and left them in the ghettos. See Prince Georges County, Maryland.

  22. In 2005, riots broke out across the Parisian banlieues. The insurrection was, in part, a protest against inequality, and yet segregation has increased in the years since.

    A perfect example of James Taranto’s “Fox Butterfield Fallacy”: misreading causation as mere paradox.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323482504578227664228137272?alg=y

  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I remember when the media was eliding “riot” and “uprising” in the 90s, but now they’re merging it with “protest?” These are words that, you know, refer to quite different things. Sort of like calling the Syrian rambler movement “refugees” — if everyone who decides to hobo along to greener pastures is a refugee, then why can’t I move into San Simeon? It’s the only place where I can salve my psychic trauma from living in, say, Fullerton…

  24. @WowJustWow
    @Anonym

    And just think what it would do for fertility numbers if murder rates skyrocketed! Heck, what they really need is another World War.

    Replies: @Anonym

    A worldwide civil war perhaps.

  25. Steve, I know you were suspicious of the rape charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, so this case might interest you. It’s funny, when I tried to Google for more info on it, nearly all the results it brought up were in French. You’d imagine a case involving an ex-head of state would get more international attention.

    • Replies: @DWB
    @Rob McX

    The case is getting a huge amount of attention in the French-language press. You have to be able to read French, but it is quite interesting.

    Sarko is quite the 'character.' This is being called "Air CocaĂŻne," and is a headline every day in Le Figaro, a newspaper actually typically quite friendly to Mr Sarkozy and more generally, the UMP (or, as they are now rebranded, "Les Republicains.")

    2017 is going to be a very interesting year in France - the PS and Francois Hollande are in horrible shape, the "Republicans" are adrift in corruption charges (Air CocaĂŻne just one of them - google "Bygmalion")

    And all les bien pensants are terrfied that the FN will show well.

  26. @Rob McX
    Steve, I know you were suspicious of the rape charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, so this case might interest you. It's funny, when I tried to Google for more info on it, nearly all the results it brought up were in French. You'd imagine a case involving an ex-head of state would get more international attention.

    Replies: @DWB

    The case is getting a huge amount of attention in the French-language press. You have to be able to read French, but it is quite interesting.

    Sarko is quite the ‘character.’ This is being called “Air CocaĂŻne,” and is a headline every day in Le Figaro, a newspaper actually typically quite friendly to Mr Sarkozy and more generally, the UMP (or, as they are now rebranded, “Les Republicains.”)

    2017 is going to be a very interesting year in France – the PS and Francois Hollande are in horrible shape, the “Republicans” are adrift in corruption charges (Air CocaĂŻne just one of them – google “Bygmalion”)

    And all les bien pensants are terrfied that the FN will show well.

  27. @Anonym
    @Massimo Heitor

    Ah, but due to the increase in GDP due to the extra car production, French car production has received a much needed boost. If every Frenchman could have their car destroyed every second year or so, it would be an economic miracle. Just have to spread around the banlieues around section 8 style so every Frenchman gets appropriately enriched. Locksmiths and security system companies would also flourish. Just as long as the police cracked down hard on broken window vandals, as it is well known that particular aspect of vandalism has no economic benefits.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Tony, @FPD72

    “Just as long as the police cracked down hard on broken window vandals, as it is well known that particular aspect of vandalism has no economic benefits.”

    Safelite wouldnt think so.

  28. @greysquirrell
    @anonymous

    The French have it worse because their problem population is Muslim . Atleast (in the US) the Blacks and Hispanics worship the same god and speak the same language whereas Islam seeks to totally overthrow the culture of the host and supplant it with Arabian culture. Islam's strict unwavering and uncompromising ideology means the French will have to capitulate or stand up for their culture ; the later seems unlikely in any great measure.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    Atleast (in the US) the Blacks and Hispanics worship the same god and speak the same language whereas Islam seeks to totally overthrow the culture of the host and supplant it with Arabian culture. Islam’s strict unwavering and uncompromising ideology means the French will have to capitulate or stand up for their culture ; the later seems unlikely in any great measure.

    This may be true, many French Muslims have a deep seemingly permanent hatred for ethnic French and classic France, but some French Muslims from Algeria really have assimilated a genuinely French identity. Even socialist politicain, Malek Boutih, son of Algerian immigrants, is sharply critical of the problems with Muslim immigrant populations. Many French Muslims are even voting for Marine Le Pen.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @Massimo Heitor

    Care to reconsider?

  29. @Anonym
    @Massimo Heitor

    Ah, but due to the increase in GDP due to the extra car production, French car production has received a much needed boost. If every Frenchman could have their car destroyed every second year or so, it would be an economic miracle. Just have to spread around the banlieues around section 8 style so every Frenchman gets appropriately enriched. Locksmiths and security system companies would also flourish. Just as long as the police cracked down hard on broken window vandals, as it is well known that particular aspect of vandalism has no economic benefits.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Tony, @FPD72

    Ah, a reader of Frederic Bastiat! Great joke!

  30. @Massimo Heitor
    @greysquirrell


    Atleast (in the US) the Blacks and Hispanics worship the same god and speak the same language whereas Islam seeks to totally overthrow the culture of the host and supplant it with Arabian culture. Islam’s strict unwavering and uncompromising ideology means the French will have to capitulate or stand up for their culture ; the later seems unlikely in any great measure.
     
    This may be true, many French Muslims have a deep seemingly permanent hatred for ethnic French and classic France, but some French Muslims from Algeria really have assimilated a genuinely French identity. Even socialist politicain, Malek Boutih, son of Algerian immigrants, is sharply critical of the problems with Muslim immigrant populations. Many French Muslims are even voting for Marine Le Pen.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    Care to reconsider?

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