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From The Sun:

CHURCH HOSTAGE HORROR Elderly priest ‘beheaded’ by two knife attackers who take nuns and ‘several’ worshippers prisoners before being shot dead in French church

Local media claims Father Jacques Hamel, 86, was brutally murdered by two ‘suspected terror attackers’

BY MARK HODGE 26th July 2016, 9:56 am

A PRIEST has reportedly been beheaded and another hostage is ‘fighting for their life’ after two knife-wielding men took two nuns and several worshippers hostage at a church in northern France.

Both ‘bearded’ attackers have been shot and killed after reportedly ‘creeping’ into a Catholic mass in the French town of Rouvray, near Rouen.

The suspected terror attackers were believed to have been gunned down by police after emerging from the church after the incident which lasted for around 40 minutes.

But, hey, it’s the New Normal.

Look at it this way: other than the priest-beheading, today has been all quiet on the Western front.

 
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  1. Did they actually call them terrorists, or are these simply two French citizens run amok?

    • Replies: @Olorin
    During my morning perambulations I saw that EU news outlets described them as

    'bearded'
     
    Which I presume was a quote from Europe's LE's finest, since the outlets put it in quotes.

    So I guess it must have been those hirsute British soccer hooligan drunks again, committing mayhem while demanding segregated drinking establishments in yelling "all a' huwhyte bar!"
    , @Olorin

    St.-Étienne-du-Rouvray, a working-class suburb inhabited by many retired chemical and metal workers, was a peaceful community, residents said, with a substantial immigrant population. The parish priest is of Congolese ancestry; the town’s mosque opened in 2000 on land donated by the Catholic parish.
     
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/world/europe/normandy-france-church-attack.html?_r=0
  2. What would Dominique Venner say to this?

    • Replies: @eah
    Dominique Venner

    Thanks for the name -- I am not so familiar with his work, and had forgotten about him.

    Readers who appreciate Mr Sailer's blog and would like to follow events in France more specifically can try GalliaWatch.

  3. This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed."

    No. The Left will make sure enough white Europeans survive to work and pay taxes so the system can support the vermin it imports.
    , @Harold
    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential. And yet we look around the world and we see great inequality. Some people live in squalor and suffering while we live well. Some people are so tormented inside that they turn to violent acts. Why? Not because of anything inherent to them; ‘there but for the grace of God…’. It is because of the situation they have been put in by those who, by historical accident, have had the power to make the world conform to their wishes. And these same people now wish to protect this unearned advantage and privilege of theirs, instead of moving towards a world we know is possible, a world in which everyone lives like whites. They blame the victims of circumstance and further alienate them from society. How can you live with yourself seeing the unnecesary inequality in the world and not doing anything about it, in fact, exacerbating it? This is what is sick. How can you not feel guilty for living well because of the sins of your ancestors? Yes, there may be suffering and friction in moving to this better world of universal flourishing, but in the scheme of things it is not so great—how many deaths are caused by terrorism?—and any moral person would consider it a sacrifice worth making.
    , @anon
    Yes, except it's not just the Left and anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

    The banking mafia / globalists / corporate oligarchy - whatever you want to call them - are the main party donors and own the media (and partially fund the identity politics wing of the Left as well).

    They want this.

    , @Olorin
    The left?

    Good gravy, wf, the town's mosque stands on Catholic Church-donated land. Surely that good old ancient Christian institution had SOMETHING to do with this.

    I'm finding it interesting that the photo of Jacques Hamel I've seen most often...

    http://dailymail.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/a-28.png


    ...appears to be cropped out of this one:

    https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/jacque-hamel.png
  4. I have read reports from the BBC, Le Monde, and another French newspaper. None talked about terrorists.

    By the way, I have been wondering for some time how long it would be before some Muslims would attack Catholic Churches in France. Centres of a false religion and essentially defenceless.

    • Replies: @Anonimo
    You should read 'Le Figaro' instead.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    I have read reports from the BBC, Le Monde, and another French newspaper. None talked about terrorists.
     
    The linked article blamed ISIS and said ‘while shouting Allahu Akbar’ in the headline. Outlets like BBC didn't hype those pieces, but they aren't blind, they know it was Muslims, and they know their readers assume Muslims. And while they may temper their reporting, they aren't trying to change their readers perception of a growing culture war.

    Almost everyone on the traditional European left-right axis is horrified. The right want to shut the borders and maybe expel some recent arrivals. The left don't want to close borders, they see what is happening, but seem genuinely out of ideas for what to do, beyond extended tolerance and patience and hope the culture war just blows over.
    , @anon
    There have been thousands of attacks on churches and ministers in places like London and Paris over the last 30 years - mostly property and mostly minor.

    The media don't report it.

    But yes, killing priests / bombing churches is common in large parts of the Islamic world so more serious / fatal attacks will become more common.
    , @Dennis Dale
    First we hang the Pope, then we rally around the Church.
  5. I blame religion and the patriarchy.

  6. ‘bearded’, ‘creeping’, ‘beheaded’.

    Is the reporter, Mark Hodges, absolutely sure that they didn’t use a ‘knife’ rather than a knife and that they weren’t ‘terror’ attackers?

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  7. Never forget it was White Liberals who made this happen. The SWPLs. The groovy kids in Silicon Valley.

    • Replies: @thisisaknife
    Yes exactly. The SWPL, liberals, elite whites, and (((others))) and the complacent too. Whites ultimately did this to themselves AND WILL CONTINUE TO.
    , @anon
    No it wasn't.

    This was done by a combination of cultural Marxists working through academia and the banking mafia buying the politicians and media.

    SWPL altruism genes (and its virtue signalling mimic cousin) were just the mechanism manipulated to achieve the goal.
    , @Olorin
    There is no reason that the Catholic Church of Europe should have welcomed those hostile to its own people. Deliberately. And agitated politically, like the mainstream Protestants and Jews, to conduct their great universalist experiment in uniting Abrahamic religions on the soil of Europe, Europeans be damned.

    Then again, that church has had no problem replacing priests like Jacques Hamel with today's main parish priest.

    Seen here side by side.

    https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/jacque-hamel.png

    Sorry to repeat, but this is NOT a left-right issue. This is a lightning strike drawn to the ethnomasochistic core of universalism. We of genuine European roots--back 40,000 years--are not the same as all other people. And neither are they.
  8. Jeanne d’Arc heard Archangel Michael say, “Thrust the English out of France.” It’s an easily updated slogan when France is ready and once served very effectively.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  9. sit back and enjoy the decline

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don't think it's fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I'm not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don't understand why the society couldn't have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.
    , @anon
    She's a Jewish cultural Marxist.
    , @Dirk Dagger
    That's Laurie Penny a/k/a Penny Red; she has written about her hospitalisation at age 17 for anorexia and subsequent recovery; she believes free speech is scary and bad:

    Guten Morgen, I’m in Berlin today on tour with my book Meat Market, which is significant because it means I’m not at the Editorial Intelligence UK Comment Awards this morning. I’m excited to say that I was nominated and won in the category ‘Twitter Public Personality’. I’m still not sure quite what that means, but it’s going on the virtual shelf alongside GCSE Superboffin 2002 and Sack Race 1998. Thank you to everyone who voted.

    Here’s the little speech that was read out in my absence:

    I’m really sorry I can’t be here in person to accept this award, and I’d like to thank everyone who voted for me, as well as Editorial Intelligence for nominating me. Social media has been an energising and empowering force for the British commentariat, rearranging some of the old hierarchies and allowing young people and those outside the mainstream press to amplify voices that would otherwise go unheard. Unfortunately, over the past two years social media has also become an increasingly hostile place for women writers and journalists, as well as for writers and thinkers of colour and of different faiths. I know of a number of talented women writers who have withdrawn from the arena of public debate in Britain because of the sheer scale and viciousness of sexist bullying that has come to poison the arena of political debate in this country, particularly online. I would like to use this opportunity to call upon all of the editors, journalists and commentators in this room to take an active stand against sexist trolling and hate speech in your publications and on Twitter. Call it out whenever you see it and refuse to host it on your websites, because it demeans and cheapens all of us who feel proud to call ourselves members of the British press. Thank you.

     


     
    Tell those mean boys to shut up! Can't they see the righteous and good are talking.
  10. I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn’t happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I’m not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It is depressingly routine for this Catholic to see Catholic victims being blamed for their own slaughter.

    Blame the "retrograde" ideas of the priest or blame the Nazi's because Crusades...

    The level of ignorance about the Crusades it still stratospheric...


    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html
    , @Dirk Dagger
    Uh, no ... it's a FALSE FLAG!!! People who can't even shave somehow have enough dexterity to behead someone with a knife? Q.E.D. (((Steel doesn't burn!)))
    , @anon
    wasn't the iraq war just blow back from when muslims occupied spain? Now don't bother retorting with 'Spaniards aren't American' because African immigrants to the US weren't enslaved in the US but they are still affected by its legacy. Similarily, the british peple who founded ameria were affected by the moorish occupation of spain, and so 'punched up' when they invaded Iraq, which, btw, has little to do with moorish occupied spain, but swedes have little to do with colonialism, so...yeah.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Ok, now I know you're a parody troll.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Pretty soon the French will move to preemptive prevention of terrorist attacks.
    , @fish
    Looks like ISteve has its very own "Million Dollar Bonus".
    , @MEH 0910

    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn’t happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I’m not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts
     
    Mosque in Town of ISIS-Inspired Priest Attack Was Opened On Land Given by Church

    The mosque in the French town where two radical Islamists slit the throat of a Catholic priest was opened on land donated by his church, it was revealed on Thursday.

    The gesture, made in 2000, is a symbol of the strong ties between the two communities at a high level. However, after the attack, which was claimed by the Islamic State militant group (ISIS), others have warned that the town has a growing problem of radicalization.

    In Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, located near the northern city of Rouen, the two men stormed the 17th-century Église St Étienne church and took five people hostage, before killing the priest and leaving a worshipper in critical condition.

    Police shot dead the the two attackers after surrounding the church. French media have identified one of the attackers as 19-year-old Adel Kermiche, who had attempted to enter Syria last year and who French security services had under electronic monitoring using a tag since March.

    Mohammed Karabila, the imam of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray’s mosque, said he was “stunned” by the execution of Jacques Hamel, and called him a friend who he spoke with about inter-faith relations in the town.
     
  11. @Tiny Duck
    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn't happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I'm not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    It is depressingly routine for this Catholic to see Catholic victims being blamed for their own slaughter.

    Blame the “retrograde” ideas of the priest or blame the Nazi’s because Crusades…

    The level of ignorance about the Crusades it still stratospheric…

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html

    • Replies: @Anon7
    I tried your link at Christianity Today, only to be kept out by a paywall (who says walls don't work?).

    The other side is happy to let you read their material free of charge:

    Dabiq
    , @yowza

    The level of ignorance about the Crusades it still stratospheric…

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html
     
    Indeed.

    Find below a video "The Crusades for Dummies," and learn your lesson, dummies:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
    , @(((Owen)))

    It is depressingly routine for this Catholic to see Catholic victims being blamed for their own slaughter.
     
    Maybe for 'this' Catholic, but the vast majority of 'Catholic' France is enthusiastically pleased to vote for more and more of it. Le Pen is polling 30% behind terrorist facilitator Sarko in runoff polling.

    You're in the minority and the majority simply doesn't agree with you.
  12. @Tiny Duck
    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn't happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I'm not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    Uh, no … it’s a FALSE FLAG!!! People who can’t even shave somehow have enough dexterity to behead someone with a knife? Q.E.D. (((Steel doesn’t burn!)))

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is another operation by Putin to get Donald Trump elected. After the election Trump will hand the Baltic states over to Putin and in return he will be allowed to open a Trump casino in Moscow. If he gives them Poland, Putin will throw in a golf course.
  13. These things are becoming so regular that they have become “dog bites man” news, a “man bites dog” news story would be something “No attacks in Europe for an entire week”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    All Quiet on the Western Front.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    The media are desperately "thirsty" for a "man bites dog" story.
    That's why they love to report the neo-nazi skinheads attacking innocent immigrant angle... it's rare enough to actually be news... and it of course fits the narrative.

    What's really worrying is that for now the migrants are still in the honeymoon phase of their experience in Europe. What will happen in the future when the failure to integrate yields a 2nd and 3rd generation of alienated and embittered "Germans" ripe for the harvest by pied-pipers of hate and violence.

    Unfortunately immigration is inevitably permanent. Short of ethnic cleansing, assimilation is the only hope. If assimilation fails, permanent parallel cultures will fester. With the 2 million new arrivals in 2015 alone, http://www.dw.com/en/two-million-germany-records-largest-influx-of-immigrants-in-2015/a-19131436, the number will inevitably grow with subsequent chain migration and family reunification. No matter how unpleasant things get, the kind-hearted (and soft-headed) people of Germany will never summon the will to forcibly expel any significant number of these. The manipulative media will play the bleedy hearts like they always do.
  14. Muslim extremists love to bomb and attack the houses of worship of those they don’t like. It’s a worldwide pattern. I’m only surprised it hasn’t become a major sized event, at least not yet that is.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I think you'll find one place of worship is almost (but not quite) immune. Which is curious - considering terrorist and MSM rhetoric.
    , @Hail

    Muslim extremists love to bomb and attack the houses of worship
     
    Hitler refused to use chemical weapons in the war. "If we use them, the British will use them against us again; let's avoid the madness of the previous war." (not a direct quote).

    Attacks on churches in the heart of Europe would seem to be inviting attacks on mosques in the same...

  15. The BBC will report one of the killers screamed ‘Hallelujah’ and was named Moe Hammond while the other was Al Baker, a petty criminal who enjoyed violent video games.

    • Replies: @Roberto
    Surely 'Al Kyder' and 'G. Haddy'?

    Or maybe 'Terry Wrist'?
  16. @neutral
    These things are becoming so regular that they have become "dog bites man" news, a "man bites dog" news story would be something "No attacks in Europe for an entire week".

    All Quiet on the Western Front.

  17. It’s not terrorism until the fat lady sings “Allah Akbar” and declares allegiance to ISIS/ISIL/IS/Daesh on Facebook … even if the perpetrators were first or second generation Islamic immigrants. It is always a relief to know it’s not terrorism but rather just a couple of run-of-the-mill murders by who knows and and we don’t know why. France and Germany have been getting a lot of those lately. Must be something in the water supply … or, perhaps global warming.

    But maybe terrorism will go away if Frau Merkel and Herr Hollande direct proselytizing Islam to all school-age children in France and Germany. (I understand the Germans already have this in mind.) Perhaps the immigrants will then feel more at home and stop taking out their righteous anger on the natives, who do admittedly have an historical predilection toward racism, imperialism, white privilege, and (this is the worst) failure to submit to the will of Allah. Come on! These natives have been resisting the will of Allah (the most Compassionate, the most Merciful) for 1,300 years. What will it take?

    • Replies: @Talha

    What will it take?
     
    Converting to Islam won't save you. Daesh is not deterred by this. Anybody can calculate how many drops of blood they've spilled in Europe compared to the pints in Muslim lands; their victims are overwhelmingly Muslim - this is simple math. This is what happened yesterday in non-Europe:
    http://original.antiwar.com/updates/2016/07/25/bombers-strike-east-baghdad-138-killed-iraq/

    Devoting your life to studying Islam will also not save you:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvNupoSw_u8

    They are like the Borg - you must join them without condition, anything less is irrelevant.

    Peace.

  18. Bad choice of targets. The catholic and protestant churches of Europe are staunch supporters of the muslim influx. And their organizations and volunteers form the backbone of refugee resettlement.

    ISIS still thinks Christianity is a crusader religion. Contemporary Christianity is quite the opposite. It fits the description of cuckoldry perfectly.

    • Replies: @jill
    I disagree. Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, et al, have all made a deal with the devil. They are all on the government tit. They do it for the money, not love, not religion.

    https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/refugee-resettlement-fact-sheets/

    I have no idea what the governments of Europe give the church groups but it is probably a similar amount, if not more.
    , @Anonym
    The tactics for Muslims come mostly from the Koran and Hadiths. They are flexible as to the methods, but don't much differentiate between infidel types. As a means to gain territory for its followers, it has its strengths and weaknesses. I am not aware of a similar religion of conquest that has had more success.

    Christians have colonized lands but not so much because of Christianity, more because that's what humans do who have military, technological and/or demographic advantages.
    , @Nico
    1. The Church hierarchy in France and Germany needs to be thoroughly purged before any change in policy can be effected. But word has it episcopal appointments are effectively vetted by the French state, which finds intriguing ways of flouting the 1905 Separation of Church and State in order to better monitor the Church (such as the fact that the ministry of cults is still de facto exercised, due to Alsace-Moselle still under the Concordat regime as they were under German rule in 1905 and the Third Republic not daring to impose the 1905 law retroactively).

    2. Your point about strategy seems to chide Muslims for a foresight you cannot reasonably expect of these fellows: recent history shows plainly, they just aren't very bright.

  19. I wonder if this is what the Pope envisioned when he said we should build bridges and not walls.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    I wonder if this is what the Pope envisioned when he said we should build bridges and not walls.
     
    One hopes that leftie loons like the Pope will wake up and realize that the attempt to make decent, modern citizens out of limitless masses of Islamic primitives is a 'bridge too far.' More likely, though, lefties will keep building bridges to nowhere.

    Far sounder to build fences than bridges. Good fences make good neighbors; but when bridges collapse, people perish.

  20. But for the dead the reporting is a comedy routine. “Police have not established a motive as yet.”

    How soon ’til the ante is upped and a world famous cathedral is taken hostage.

  21. @AndyBoy
    Never forget it was White Liberals who made this happen. The SWPLs. The groovy kids in Silicon Valley.

    Yes exactly. The SWPL, liberals, elite whites, and (((others))) and the complacent too. Whites ultimately did this to themselves AND WILL CONTINUE TO.

    • Replies: @anon

    Whites ultimately did this to themselves
     
    No they didn't.

    It was done to them by a minority out of either reckless malice or because they wrongly thought it would make their group safer.

  22. “Look at it this way: other than the priest-beheading, it’s been all quiet on the Western front.”

    Seriously. Almost a full 24 hours had passed since the last terror attack. I was beginning to worry the Mohammedans had given up.

    • Replies: @anon

    Seriously. Almost a full 24 hours had passed since the last terror attack. I was beginning to worry the Mohammedans had given up.
     
    Reported terror attack.

    Plenty of homicides, bricks through windows, clan rapes etc.
    , @Olorin
    The web site www dot The Religion of Peace dot com tracks attacks reported in various newsmedia.

    They are in the tens of thousands. Doubtless there are countless more.
  23. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn't happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I'm not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    wasn’t the iraq war just blow back from when muslims occupied spain? Now don’t bother retorting with ‘Spaniards aren’t American’ because African immigrants to the US weren’t enslaved in the US but they are still affected by its legacy. Similarily, the british peple who founded ameria were affected by the moorish occupation of spain, and so ‘punched up’ when they invaded Iraq, which, btw, has little to do with moorish occupied spain, but swedes have little to do with colonialism, so…yeah.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    I believe the Greek historian Herodotus beat you to it about 2500 years ago when he attributed the Persian Wars with the Greeks back to the rapes of the mythical Greek heroines Io, Europa, Medea and Helen (of Troy). Herodotus was mocked shortly after his death by the great Greek comic dramatist Aristophanes who blamed the then-ongoing Peloponnesian War (between Sparta and Athens) on the supposed abduction of some prostitutes by one city-state from another city-state.

    BTW LOL to "Sick Duck's" post which started this particular thread.
  24. This is squarely on the shoulders of heretical Antipope Francis, who has been cheerleading the Muslim invasion of Europe from the beginning.

    • Agree: Barnard
    • Replies: @Bugg
    The happytalk therapeutic deism of Christianity generally and Catholicism specifically under idiot Francis has led to this. Recall Benedict spoke of this conflict, and quickly found himself retired.Matter of time until major cathedrals and churches and even Vatican City are targeted. The effete morons in charge won't grasp the danger until it's too late.Based on my trips to Notre Dame and Sacred Heart such churches are already surrounded by 3rd world vendors, they merely need to step inside.
    , @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    The error in prudential judgment about Mahometanism began long before Franciscus and it realised its relativised triumph in Nostra Aetate when it was claimed in that document the Mahometans worship the same God as we Christian Catholics.

    They don't and the footnote to that claim was a letter (diplomatic in nature; i.e. flattering but certainly not doctrinal) written by Pope Gregory Vll to the King of Mauritania a long time ago in soliciting the release of a prisoners and agreeing to ordain a priest, Servandus.

    This irenic ecumenism is the Universal Solvent of Tradition and the descendants of the Eldest Daughter of the Church (France) are paying dearly for this cavalier one-sided faux reconciliation with our ancient and permanent enemy, Mahometanism.
    , @Percy Gryce
    As I've pointed out before, Francis is not an antipope; he's merely a bad pope. There's a difference.
  25. What is more French than violent anticlericalism? I’d say these guys have integrated well.

    • Agree: Cryptogenic, Ace
    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
  26. @Tiny Duck
    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn't happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I'm not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    Ok, now I know you’re a parody troll.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    SD let that slip a while ago that he was being satirical.
  27. It’s striking how deep the mental neutralizers of PC go, right down the news announcement: the hostage is “fighting for their life”.

    If we’re too sensitive to say the hostage is “fighting for HIS life” or the hostage is “fighting for HER life”, I don’t think that will match up well to guys with bombs and axes.

    With an attitude like that, we’re already slaves. We’re just waiting for the chain.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    “fighting for their life”: she's a nun, isn't she? So I suspect that "her" might be the suitable pronoun.
  28. A conversion to Catholicism gone wrong.

  29. First thought that came to mind: St. Thomas of Canterbury a/k/a Thomas a’ Beckett. Different circumstances obviously.

  30. Addit. I did say languid but religion does tend to energize some.

    I guess people figure that the next victim will be someone else’s uncle or child. The costs of this submission will be socialized. Then eventually things will settle down and there will be neither Arab or Greek, and we will be one…if we just stay nice.

    I took the family to Le Mont-Saint-Michel in Normandy last year. After the Charlie Hedbo shootings I was feeling a little wary of France. Le Mont-Saint-Michel is magnificent. I saw no armed guards there. I hope things have changed.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Saint-Michel

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Note that the abbey was secularized at the time of the French Revolution so that anti-clericalism is nothing new in France (although today's attackers are not anti-clerical, just anti-Christian).

    The abbey itself is magnificent but the village that surrounds it is a gigantic overpriced tourist trap. The abbey was once a place of solitude but now gets 3 million visitors every year.

    On the one hand, the fact that the Mont is an island with only 1 entrance (a bridge recently replaced the causeway) makes it easy to screen visitors but on the other hand if attackers managed to get on the island it would be difficult to evacuate quickly.
    , @dearieme
    "Mont-Saint-Michel is magnificent": agreed. We found the trick was to book a hotel room there: the whole place became even more wonderful when the day-trippers departed.
  31. At an upcoming debate, Donald Trump asks, “So, Mrs. Clinton, what would you do about Islamic terrorism?”

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    Result: http://youtu.be/YMHOcmDVBP0
  32. @Contrarian
    Bad choice of targets. The catholic and protestant churches of Europe are staunch supporters of the muslim influx. And their organizations and volunteers form the backbone of refugee resettlement.

    ISIS still thinks Christianity is a crusader religion. Contemporary Christianity is quite the opposite. It fits the description of cuckoldry perfectly.

    I disagree. Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, et al, have all made a deal with the devil. They are all on the government tit. They do it for the money, not love, not religion.

    https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/refugee-resettlement-fact-sheets/

    I have no idea what the governments of Europe give the church groups but it is probably a similar amount, if not more.

    • Replies: @Contrarian
    The volunteers don't do it for the money. And for the employees of christian charities it is a happy convergence of profit and conviction.

    The materialist cui bono argument does not cut it. The current massive Muslim influx undermines the power of the state and of the church. It is mostly cuckoldry, ethnomasochism, etc. Short time profits only for some (including landlords).

    Btw. It's spelled "government teat" not "government tit".
  33. I wonder if the intentional lackluster and watered down response of the media to these attacks is actually emboldening “ISIS” to carry out more gruesome assaults as a way of saying “Hey, look at us”. Politicians have to do more than just call these incidents “cowardly”.

  34. So what’s the point, there’s nothing you can do about migrants and the weather.

  35. ” The INS can vet them, I will put in a “serious” vetting program, all Muslims are not terrorists, we will defeat ISIS, the main victims of ISIS are Muslims, we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces” – sorry someone was playing the Hillary tape out loud before it was inserted into the Stepford Candidate herself.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces
     
    Yes, fine men such as Dr. Nidal Hasan. BTW, Hasan telegraphed his hatred for America loudly and clearly many times but the more red flags he sent up, the more our PC military looked the other way.

    For example, he signed his official work emails (in which he accused American soldiers of war crimes) "All praises and thanks go to Allah". I'm not kidding.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/08/21/us/21hasan-emails-document.html?ref=us&_r=0
    , @Wilkey
    "we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces"

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The other day PBS ran a fact-check on Donald Trump's acceptance speech.

    TRUMP: “My opponent has called for a radical 550 percent increase in Syrian (refugees). … She proposes this despite the fact that there’s no way to screen these refugees in order to find out who they are or where they come from. I only want to admit individuals into our country who will support our values and love our people.”

    THE FACTS: Trump persists in making the bogus claim that the U.S. doesn’t screen refugees. The administration both screens them and knows where they are from. The Department of Homeland Security leads the process, which involves rigorous background checks. Processing of a refugee can take 18 months to two years, and usually longer for those coming from Syria. Refugees are also subject to in-person interviews and fingerprint and other biometric screening.

    For all that caution, U.S. officials acknowledge that the Islamic State group could try to place operatives among refugees. Last year, FBI Director James Comey said data about people coming from Syria may be limited, adding, “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our database.”
     
    So what is it--paragraph 1 or paragraph 2? The former makes Trump sound like a paranoid xenophobe, alarming people over nothing. The latter makes him sound like a responsible statesman, concerned about preventable evils.
  36. @Intelligent Dasein
    This is squarely on the shoulders of heretical Antipope Francis, who has been cheerleading the Muslim invasion of Europe from the beginning.

    The happytalk therapeutic deism of Christianity generally and Catholicism specifically under idiot Francis has led to this. Recall Benedict spoke of this conflict, and quickly found himself retired.Matter of time until major cathedrals and churches and even Vatican City are targeted. The effete morons in charge won’t grasp the danger until it’s too late.Based on my trips to Notre Dame and Sacred Heart such churches are already surrounded by 3rd world vendors, they merely need to step inside.

    • Replies: @Contrarian
    Francis represents the mainstream of active parishoners in Europe and is quite popular among them.

    Benedict was timid and expressed himself through circumlocution. He may be a culture warrior at heart, but he was ineffective.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Bugg, Please read the book "Pope Patrick" by Peter deRose, a former priest. Fiction, but so dead nut on to today's world. Easy, Fast read too.
  37. OT: meanwhile, in more “new normal” news closer to home:

    47 people shot in Chicago this weekend

    #BLM

    • Replies: @Avenge Harambe
    That's been the "new normal" in Chicago since the "Great Migration"....
  38. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Tiny Duck
    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn't happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I'm not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    Pretty soon the French will move to preemptive prevention of terrorist attacks.

  39. @unit472
    The BBC will report one of the killers screamed 'Hallelujah' and was named Moe Hammond while the other was Al Baker, a petty criminal who enjoyed violent video games.

    Surely ‘Al Kyder’ and ‘G. Haddy’?

    Or maybe ‘Terry Wrist’?

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not Catholicism. Or faithful Catholics. The devil and the demonic has always been targeting the Church, and in the last half-century has been very successful. Read or listen to the late traditionalist priest, Fr. Malachi Martin on this subject. As Pope Paul VI warned over four decades ago, “The smoke of Satan has entered the Church.” It has been the truly faithful and traditional Catholics who have seen this coming. From Pat Buchanan to Jean Raspail.

    • Agree: Old fogey
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It was the devout Christians who were the first to warn the West. Hilaire Belloc, Pat Buchanan, Jean Raspail, Enoch Powell.
    , @Neoconned
    I remember being in shock listening to Malachi Martin on art bell in the 90s announcing that in the not too distant future, the Pope would be evil and ruling on behalf of Satan. He also hinted that this was the true meaning of the Third Secret of Fatima.

    I thought it sounded a bit out there and wild at the time. Now? Not so much.

    By the way, all of the Melachi Martin shows with art bell are on youtube. Just search youtube for art bell and melachi martin - it is talk radio at its absolute most entertaining.
    , @Chiron
    Malachi Martin was one of the responsibles for the Vatican II, he was financed by a group of NY jews, later he became a "traditionalist" denouncing the Church and Liberation Theology.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Paul VI was the Antipope responsible for giving us the heretical Novus Ordo Missae. He is one of the spiritual grandfathers of His Phoniness Pope Francis and is equally to blame.
  41. The last German attack was against other immigrant Muslims. Was that terrorism or just a nutter? Yet it seems to be listed as ‘terrorism. This French attack is clearly an act of naked ethnic/cultural warfare against the indigenous population and thus is not ‘terrorism’ it’s just stuff that happens.

    • Replies: @Bobby
    Are you sure the attack was aimed at other Muslims? I think three turks were killed, but that's because lots of school-age kids in Germany are turks rather than because the shooter specifically wanted to kill Muslims.
    , @anon
    Shia vs Sunni terrorism.

    (Or more likely Shia minority kid getting bullied in a Sunni majority enclave.)

    (nb the Kabul bomb was Sunni bombing Shia)
  42. @Anonymous
    It's not Catholicism. Or faithful Catholics. The devil and the demonic has always been targeting the Church, and in the last half-century has been very successful. Read or listen to the late traditionalist priest, Fr. Malachi Martin on this subject. As Pope Paul VI warned over four decades ago, "The smoke of Satan has entered the Church." It has been the truly faithful and traditional Catholics who have seen this coming. From Pat Buchanan to Jean Raspail.

    It was the devout Christians who were the first to warn the West. Hilaire Belloc, Pat Buchanan, Jean Raspail, Enoch Powell.

  43. score one for walls

  44. @Felix M
    I have read reports from the BBC, Le Monde, and another French newspaper. None talked about terrorists.

    By the way, I have been wondering for some time how long it would be before some Muslims would attack Catholic Churches in France. Centres of a false religion and essentially defenceless.

    You should read ‘Le Figaro’ instead.

  45. @Anonymous
    It is depressingly routine for this Catholic to see Catholic victims being blamed for their own slaughter.

    Blame the "retrograde" ideas of the priest or blame the Nazi's because Crusades...

    The level of ignorance about the Crusades it still stratospheric...


    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html

    I tried your link at Christianity Today, only to be kept out by a paywall (who says walls don’t work?).

    The other side is happy to let you read their material free of charge:

    Dabiq

    • Replies: @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    What is unusual perhaps lies elsewhere. It has to do with the truly unheard-of stupor of the ethnic French population, the population that is the historic guardian of the identity of our nation. The fact that there was no popular reaction of any magnitude, no uprising, peaceful or not, demanding immediate accountability of this government of traitors, or invading any one of a number of ghettos known to be rotted to the core by salafism and drug mafias: monstrous breeding grounds that give birth to these displaced jihadis who attack us; the fact that there were no reprisals against those who promoted this situation: not from those in high positions, not from those below, is the calamitous symptom of a lack of life force, a torpid surrender to invasion, a consent - it must be said - to the disappearance of the French nation. In Nice, children were pulverized. Jihadism kills; so does politeness. And if the former is ignoble, the latter, submissive to the former, is shameful. As Renaud Camus recently noted, the terrible irony is that our era, incapable of producing a work of art, a thought, an authentic spirituality, something outstanding that gives value to peoples' lives, has been able to preserve, from the rigorous demands of civilization, only that which, precisely, forbids us from protecting it. The final form taken by the European mind is, in a senseless turnabout, the very one that makes it impossible for it to defend itself against the forces seeking its annihilation.

    What we have left from the Garden of Akademos, from the Cultura Animi of the Tusculanae Disputations, from De Trinitate, is the precious privilege of having ourselves massacred by the first salafist to come along, to whom we will have first granted permission to build his mosque, to have twelve children, to put his wife under a candle snuffer, to send all his money to a foreign country and to live on the back of our social welfare system. Jihadism is barbaric, we know that. A people that only salvages from its store of profound truth weapons to destroy itself, that utilizes the means of civilization against the ends of civilization, is no less so. Our xenophilia and our idolatry of the Other are but modulations of self-hatred and mirrors of the hatred the Islamists feel towards us.

    If we cannot be surprised that after the massacre in Nice, our rulers continue to repeat mechanically the same self-justifying mantra, we can be surprised that the people did not have the resilience to trigger the slightest revolt, or even more modestly, to simply question the institutions that had made such a carnage possible.

    At bottom, it's the deconstructionist spirit of 1968 that won the day and the Enlightenment that continues to propagate to the final glimmer its contradictory madness: when entire peoples invade us and kill us, and we only see migrants and psychiatric cases (the media's eternal label of "unbalanced" attests to it). As for our persecutors, everything is understood: they know they belong to religious, moral and ethnic communities that transcend their particularity, whereas we think that a community, whatever it may be, results from the sum of particularities. It is the very concept of "a people" as the determining condition for the emergence of persons that has become unintelligible to the majority.


    http://galliawatch.blogspot.com
  46. @jill
    I disagree. Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, et al, have all made a deal with the devil. They are all on the government tit. They do it for the money, not love, not religion.

    https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/refugee-resettlement-fact-sheets/

    I have no idea what the governments of Europe give the church groups but it is probably a similar amount, if not more.

    The volunteers don’t do it for the money. And for the employees of christian charities it is a happy convergence of profit and conviction.

    The materialist cui bono argument does not cut it. The current massive Muslim influx undermines the power of the state and of the church. It is mostly cuckoldry, ethnomasochism, etc. Short time profits only for some (including landlords).

    Btw. It’s spelled “government teat” not “government tit”.

  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Points for originality. Beheading a priest in church during a service is a spectacular one. Like something out of ‘The Omen’.

    I do wonder when the professional apologiat will realise that their reflexive cries of ‘there is no evidence that this is terror/IS-related’ – even when it happens to be true – will become counterproductive – people would feel considerably more reassured if these attackers were agents sent into France/Germany/etc from ISIS HQ rather than any old Muslim from down the street. When that realisation fully sets in – that it is any and potentially every European Muslim, however well established on the continent – then things really will get interesting and forbidden political parties will start winning elections by landslides. I don’t think we have long to wait now.

  48. @Anonymous
    It is depressingly routine for this Catholic to see Catholic victims being blamed for their own slaughter.

    Blame the "retrograde" ideas of the priest or blame the Nazi's because Crusades...

    The level of ignorance about the Crusades it still stratospheric...


    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html

    The level of ignorance about the Crusades it still stratospheric…

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html

    Indeed.

    Find below a video “The Crusades for Dummies,” and learn your lesson, dummies:

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    Thanks for the link; I've sent it around.
  49. I wonder if there will be a hashtag campaign like ‘I am a Catholic’ or ‘I am a Christian’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Je suis européen" has a rather resonant ring to it.
  50. @Dirk Dagger
    Uh, no ... it's a FALSE FLAG!!! People who can't even shave somehow have enough dexterity to behead someone with a knife? Q.E.D. (((Steel doesn't burn!)))

    This is another operation by Putin to get Donald Trump elected. After the election Trump will hand the Baltic states over to Putin and in return he will be allowed to open a Trump casino in Moscow. If he gives them Poland, Putin will throw in a golf course.

    • LOL: BB753, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Hacienda
    Steve is CIA agitprop. The movie critic background, marketer, promoter, and his mystery years before his appearance of Art Linkletter "Kids Say the Darndest Things"

    CIA is operated by Illuminati who themselves are a human/Borg hybrid. The end purpose is assimilation into the Borg collective.

    , @Brutusale
    Trump's holding out for a couple high-cheekbone Natashas to be named later...
  51. @anonymous
    Muslim extremists love to bomb and attack the houses of worship of those they don't like. It's a worldwide pattern. I'm only surprised it hasn't become a major sized event, at least not yet that is.

    I think you’ll find one place of worship is almost (but not quite) immune. Which is curious – considering terrorist and MSM rhetoric.

  52. @whorefinder
    This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed.

    “This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed.”

    No. The Left will make sure enough white Europeans survive to work and pay taxes so the system can support the vermin it imports.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Kylie - what if the "Left" don't actually care if white Europeans survive as long as they can find somewhere safe for themselves?
    , @anon

    The Left will make sure enough white Europeans survive to work and pay taxes so the system can support the vermin it imports.
     
    The Left won't decide - they are already in the process of being replaced by the people they imported.
    , @anan
    You're a fool if you believe that.
  53. @Lurker
    The last German attack was against other immigrant Muslims. Was that terrorism or just a nutter? Yet it seems to be listed as 'terrorism. This French attack is clearly an act of naked ethnic/cultural warfare against the indigenous population and thus is not 'terrorism' it's just stuff that happens.

    Are you sure the attack was aimed at other Muslims? I think three turks were killed, but that’s because lots of school-age kids in Germany are turks rather than because the shooter specifically wanted to kill Muslims.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    He did it in a Turk-rich suburb.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    The shooter claimed he hates Turks. It seems that he was bullied by them and even beat up by a group of Turkish youths.
  54. @Contrarian
    Bad choice of targets. The catholic and protestant churches of Europe are staunch supporters of the muslim influx. And their organizations and volunteers form the backbone of refugee resettlement.

    ISIS still thinks Christianity is a crusader religion. Contemporary Christianity is quite the opposite. It fits the description of cuckoldry perfectly.

    The tactics for Muslims come mostly from the Koran and Hadiths. They are flexible as to the methods, but don’t much differentiate between infidel types. As a means to gain territory for its followers, it has its strengths and weaknesses. I am not aware of a similar religion of conquest that has had more success.

    Christians have colonized lands but not so much because of Christianity, more because that’s what humans do who have military, technological and/or demographic advantages.

    • Replies: @Olorin

    that’s what humans do who have military, technological and/or demographic advantages.
     
    I think the term you're struggling for is "genetic."
  55. @iSteveFan
    I wonder if there will be a hashtag campaign like 'I am a Catholic' or 'I am a Christian'.

    “Je suis européen” has a rather resonant ring to it.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    But in this case it was a specific attack on Christianity, hence the location of the attack was in a Church and the beheaded victim was a member of the clergy. So the hashtag campaign or whatever memorial or show-of-support movement should specifically acknowledge the Christian nature of the targeted victims.

    Recall after the Paris shootings in 2015, the French Prime Minister said that if Jews were driven away from France because of those attacks, France would be judged a failure. Will he say something specific about Catholics or Christians being a vital part of France? Will he single out Catholics or Christians for special sympathy?

    , @Hail

    “Je suis européen”
     
    Get Twitter on this.
  56. @anon
    sit back and enjoy the decline
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpXwpYAahg

    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don’t think it’s fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I’m not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don’t understand why the society couldn’t have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic

    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don’t think it’s fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I’m not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don’t understand why the society couldn’t have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.
     
    Wrong! This is EXACTLY how you treat SJW bullies.

    SJW's deserve no mercy. This guy handled her perfectly by immediately getting in her face and scolding her like the coddled, bullying child she is, insulting her and turning her amygdala to mush. She goes into flight mode once she sees he's not going to back down or give her the upper hand. She is used to cowing others -- that's what SJW's do -- but crumbles and gives up when the tables are turned.
    , @yowza

    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don’t think it’s fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time.
     
    You're trying to invoke the false premise that because someone is a pathetic individual, they are not to be criticized for their ugly behavior. That's the reasoning behind white folks demonstrating at BLM demonstrations, and the notion is odious, and intellectual cowardice.

    She called the man a racist, which is the magic rattle of SJW's employ to stop any further rational discourse, and she got what was coming, which was an examination of her fundamental authenticity.

    Never shrink from people attacking you because you feel they're too stupid or poor to know better. Moral relativism is poison to modern civilization. It hijacks rational discourse, and transports it to the twilight zone.

    You should know better.
    , @Perplexed
    No, it wasn't the money. Scrambling for a comeback, she said that actually it was because she knew she would be attacked as she just had been. She said the money demand was so she wouldn't have to appear.
    , @Jeff
    Andrew - Crypto's response to you is absolutely correct. That girl is a spoiled child and needs to be treated as such - i.e. take off the gloves. Her passive aggressive behavior is pathetic.
    , @Jack Hanson
    This cucked response brought to you by the guy screaming cuck every five minutes.
  57. @Bugg
    The happytalk therapeutic deism of Christianity generally and Catholicism specifically under idiot Francis has led to this. Recall Benedict spoke of this conflict, and quickly found himself retired.Matter of time until major cathedrals and churches and even Vatican City are targeted. The effete morons in charge won't grasp the danger until it's too late.Based on my trips to Notre Dame and Sacred Heart such churches are already surrounded by 3rd world vendors, they merely need to step inside.

    Francis represents the mainstream of active parishoners in Europe and is quite popular among them.

    Benedict was timid and expressed himself through circumlocution. He may be a culture warrior at heart, but he was ineffective.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Interestingly, the Patron of the Sovereign Knights Of Malta (not the grand master, sadly) is making noises indicating he thinks it's time for the Moose Limbs to be put back in their box. If the Catholic Church was ever going to uncuck itself, the SKOM remembering that they are a crusader order would be an epic way to do it.
  58. Tsk! Tsk! Don’t those naughty dhimmis know that their bells shouldn’t be able to heard on the street? Or maybe their steeple was higher than a local minaret. It’s their own fault…

  59. When reading the responses of various French politicians to the latest Muslim atrocity, and the recent sad demise of Marni Nixon, the lyrics of one of the songs of My Fair Lady came back to me:

    Words, words, words,
    I’m so sick of words.
    I get words all day through,
    First from him, now from you.
    Is that all you blighters can do?

    Say one more word and I’ll scream!

    Show me! Show me!
    Don’t wait until wrinkles and lines,
    Pop out all over my brow.
    Show me now!

  60. @Kylie
    "This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed."

    No. The Left will make sure enough white Europeans survive to work and pay taxes so the system can support the vermin it imports.

    Kylie – what if the “Left” don’t actually care if white Europeans survive as long as they can find somewhere safe for themselves?

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Kylie – what if the 'Left' don’t actually care if white Europeans survive as long as they can find somewhere safe for themselves?"

    Good question. Remember, the Left is importing vermin for the dual purpose of 1) virtue signaling that they are morally superior to non-leftist whites because they embrace the Other and 2) humiliating non-leftist whites by forcing them to endure this infestation in their own homelands. It would be hard to virtue signal from a funk hole. I think the Left will hang in there as long as they can.

    My own experiences with and observations of MENAs has been overwhelmingly negative. They are arrogant and ignorant in equal measure. I'm sure they have every intention of usurping their Leftist hosts. But they have two considerations wrt the white populace. Dhimmitude is best practiced on living infidels and they need white expertise to keep the lights on.

    I think white Europeans' s two enemies both have good reason to keep whites alive. Then again, the Left and their pet vermin seem almost entirely impervious to reason.

    Interesting times may well be end times.
  61. @Tacitus2016
    Addit. I did say languid but religion does tend to energize some.

    I guess people figure that the next victim will be someone else's uncle or child. The costs of this submission will be socialized. Then eventually things will settle down and there will be neither Arab or Greek, and we will be one...if we just stay nice.

    I took the family to Le Mont-Saint-Michel in Normandy last year. After the Charlie Hedbo shootings I was feeling a little wary of France. Le Mont-Saint-Michel is magnificent. I saw no armed guards there. I hope things have changed.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Saint-Michel

    Note that the abbey was secularized at the time of the French Revolution so that anti-clericalism is nothing new in France (although today’s attackers are not anti-clerical, just anti-Christian).

    The abbey itself is magnificent but the village that surrounds it is a gigantic overpriced tourist trap. The abbey was once a place of solitude but now gets 3 million visitors every year.

    On the one hand, the fact that the Mont is an island with only 1 entrance (a bridge recently replaced the causeway) makes it easy to screen visitors but on the other hand if attackers managed to get on the island it would be difficult to evacuate quickly.

    • Replies: @Tacitus2016
    "Mont is an island with only 1 entrance (a bridge recently replaced the causeway) makes it easy to screen visitors but on the other hand if attackers managed to get on the island it would be difficult to evacuate quickly."

    Nowhere to escape to on high tide so it's good that they now have armed guards and some sort of response plan?

    "The abbey itself is magnificent but the village that surrounds it is a gigantic overpriced tourist trap. "

    Scots blood. Painful for me to spend money.

    France has so many wonders. Awesome country that has lost it's way, temporarily.
  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Church where this happened was St. Etienne. “Etienne” is the French form of Stephen, the first Martyr of the Church. Father Jacques’s name is Jacob in English, from which the name James derives from. James, the brother of John the Evangelist, was the first Apostle to be martyred. James was executed by the sword.

  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Surely, the game plan of the islamists, Isis or whoever is trying to provoke the indigenous French into a counterattack – thus sparking off what can only be described as some sort of messianic war on French territory, which might, just might ignite a cataclysmic global messianic war.

    Or possibly, we have a whole bunch of stupid, vicious, brainless fools just ‘lashing out’.

    Either way a backlash must come sooner or later.
    Expect a ‘united political class’ presidential candidate attempting to stymy Marine Le Pen next year. Possibly, emboldened by brexit, the French electorate might actually forsake the political class candidate and plump for madame Le Pen.

    • Replies: @anon

    Or possibly, we have a whole bunch of stupid, vicious, brainless fools just ‘lashing out’.
     
    Average IQ 85 plus a holy book written when the slaughter, rape and enslavement of enemies was normal.

    Either way a backlash must come sooner or later.
     
    The backlash will come from the people responsible for the problem - the political and media class - against their citizens.

    They have to be defeated first.
  64. @Anon7
    I tried your link at Christianity Today, only to be kept out by a paywall (who says walls don't work?).

    The other side is happy to let you read their material free of charge:

    Dabiq

    What is unusual perhaps lies elsewhere. It has to do with the truly unheard-of stupor of the ethnic French population, the population that is the historic guardian of the identity of our nation. The fact that there was no popular reaction of any magnitude, no uprising, peaceful or not, demanding immediate accountability of this government of traitors, or invading any one of a number of ghettos known to be rotted to the core by salafism and drug mafias: monstrous breeding grounds that give birth to these displaced jihadis who attack us; the fact that there were no reprisals against those who promoted this situation: not from those in high positions, not from those below, is the calamitous symptom of a lack of life force, a torpid surrender to invasion, a consent – it must be said – to the disappearance of the French nation. In Nice, children were pulverized. Jihadism kills; so does politeness. And if the former is ignoble, the latter, submissive to the former, is shameful. As Renaud Camus recently noted, the terrible irony is that our era, incapable of producing a work of art, a thought, an authentic spirituality, something outstanding that gives value to peoples’ lives, has been able to preserve, from the rigorous demands of civilization, only that which, precisely, forbids us from protecting it. The final form taken by the European mind is, in a senseless turnabout, the very one that makes it impossible for it to defend itself against the forces seeking its annihilation.

    What we have left from the Garden of Akademos, from the Cultura Animi of the Tusculanae Disputations, from De Trinitate, is the precious privilege of having ourselves massacred by the first salafist to come along, to whom we will have first granted permission to build his mosque, to have twelve children, to put his wife under a candle snuffer, to send all his money to a foreign country and to live on the back of our social welfare system. Jihadism is barbaric, we know that. A people that only salvages from its store of profound truth weapons to destroy itself, that utilizes the means of civilization against the ends of civilization, is no less so. Our xenophilia and our idolatry of the Other are but modulations of self-hatred and mirrors of the hatred the Islamists feel towards us.

    If we cannot be surprised that after the massacre in Nice, our rulers continue to repeat mechanically the same self-justifying mantra, we can be surprised that the people did not have the resilience to trigger the slightest revolt, or even more modestly, to simply question the institutions that had made such a carnage possible.

    At bottom, it’s the deconstructionist spirit of 1968 that won the day and the Enlightenment that continues to propagate to the final glimmer its contradictory madness: when entire peoples invade us and kill us, and we only see migrants and psychiatric cases (the media’s eternal label of “unbalanced” attests to it). As for our persecutors, everything is understood: they know they belong to religious, moral and ethnic communities that transcend their particularity, whereas we think that a community, whatever it may be, results from the sum of particularities. It is the very concept of “a people” as the determining condition for the emergence of persons that has become unintelligible to the majority.

    http://galliawatch.blogspot.com

  65. Ironically, Pope Francis is the biggest cheerleader for massive, uncontrolled Muslim immigration into Europe.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, Francis is an Argentinian born Jesuit. I was educated by Jesuits in college, they run on their own tracks. The head of the Jesuit order is referred to as the "Black Pope", a reference to their robes, not ethnicity.
  66. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Back to matter closer to home. This site has an awesome prediction for the DNC:

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/

    This is shaping up to be the best election ever!

  67. imagine how the media would report the killing of a Muslim mulllah in a mosque in France or America. Even if the perp was a leftist democrat, the media would portray the culprits as racist, nationalist zealots.

    • Replies: @Thea
    The Corsicans burned a Mosque last year and it received surprisingly littl coverage.
    , @Daniel Williams

    imagine how the media would report the killing of a Muslim mulllah in a mosque in France or America.
     
    Of course we don't have to imagine! After Dylann Roof killed pastor Clementa Pinckney (and eight other black people) at an AME Zion church last year:

    • The National Park Service ceased flying Confederate flags over Fort Sumter
    • Virginia, North Carolina, and Maryland did away with their Confederate flag licence plates
    • Wal-Mart. eBay, Sears, Target, Google, and Amazon stopped selling anything with a Confederate flag on it
    • The US legislature—not to be outdone by a bunch of stores—voted to ban display of the flag in VA cemeteries (perhaps they worried that the dead would become "racist"?)
    • The President of the United States even went so far as to say that God Himself has something against that particular flag!

    All this because authorities found a Confederate flag or two among Roof's personal effects. It's not as if his murders were committed to further a living ideology (I think it's more or less accepted that Confederacy is a dead movement).
  68. @Cwhatfuture
    " The INS can vet them, I will put in a "serious" vetting program, all Muslims are not terrorists, we will defeat ISIS, the main victims of ISIS are Muslims, we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces" - sorry someone was playing the Hillary tape out loud before it was inserted into the Stepford Candidate herself.

    we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces

    Yes, fine men such as Dr. Nidal Hasan. BTW, Hasan telegraphed his hatred for America loudly and clearly many times but the more red flags he sent up, the more our PC military looked the other way.

    For example, he signed his official work emails (in which he accused American soldiers of war crimes) “All praises and thanks go to Allah”. I’m not kidding.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/08/21/us/21hasan-emails-document.html?ref=us&_r=0

  69. @Felix M
    I have read reports from the BBC, Le Monde, and another French newspaper. None talked about terrorists.

    By the way, I have been wondering for some time how long it would be before some Muslims would attack Catholic Churches in France. Centres of a false religion and essentially defenceless.

    I have read reports from the BBC, Le Monde, and another French newspaper. None talked about terrorists.

    The linked article blamed ISIS and said ‘while shouting Allahu Akbar’ in the headline. Outlets like BBC didn’t hype those pieces, but they aren’t blind, they know it was Muslims, and they know their readers assume Muslims. And while they may temper their reporting, they aren’t trying to change their readers perception of a growing culture war.

    Almost everyone on the traditional European left-right axis is horrified. The right want to shut the borders and maybe expel some recent arrivals. The left don’t want to close borders, they see what is happening, but seem genuinely out of ideas for what to do, beyond extended tolerance and patience and hope the culture war just blows over.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Right now on the BBC news front page, they admit (in small type, half way down the page) IS (Islamic State) claims killing of French priest, but the big headline above the fold is:

    Michelle Obama denounces Trump 'hate'

    That's the BIG story.
  70. @Anonymous
    "Je suis européen" has a rather resonant ring to it.

    But in this case it was a specific attack on Christianity, hence the location of the attack was in a Church and the beheaded victim was a member of the clergy. So the hashtag campaign or whatever memorial or show-of-support movement should specifically acknowledge the Christian nature of the targeted victims.

    Recall after the Paris shootings in 2015, the French Prime Minister said that if Jews were driven away from France because of those attacks, France would be judged a failure. Will he say something specific about Catholics or Christians being a vital part of France? Will he single out Catholics or Christians for special sympathy?

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Bee
    Um, Catholics are like 80% or more of France's population. Why would they need "special" sympathy, and why would there be a fear of them leaving the country?

    This is the "White history month" school of looking at everything context-free.
  71. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Contrarian
    Francis represents the mainstream of active parishoners in Europe and is quite popular among them.

    Benedict was timid and expressed himself through circumlocution. He may be a culture warrior at heart, but he was ineffective.

    Interestingly, the Patron of the Sovereign Knights Of Malta (not the grand master, sadly) is making noises indicating he thinks it’s time for the Moose Limbs to be put back in their box. If the Catholic Church was ever going to uncuck itself, the SKOM remembering that they are a crusader order would be an epic way to do it.

  72. June 12: Orlando – 49 dead, 53 injured
    July 14: Nice – 84 dead, 308 injured
    July 18: Wurzburg – 5 injured
    July 19: Laragne-Montéglin – 4 injured (including 3 children)
    July 22: Munich – 9 dead, 35 injured
    July 24: Reutlingen – 2 dead (incl. unborn child), 2 injured
    July 24: Ansbach – 12 injured
    July 25: Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray – 1 dead, 1 injured

    This marks the seventh Islamist attack in Europe in less than two weeks. That, of course, ignores all the shit that never gets reported by the government and/or the press: rapes, assaults, sexual assaults, verbal and physical threats, and other assorted crimes.

    The “good” news is that the number of surviving victims is climbing rapidly – over 300 from the Nice attack alone. While I’m sure more than a few of them will go full Stockholm Syndrome, many of them will turn into witnesses against the Muslim Invasion.

    • Replies: @Hail

    never gets reported by the government
     
    If a Muslim commits a crime against a European, and there's no one there to weave a "terrorism" narrative, does it matter at all?

    What if the Rotterdam Muslims had been ISIS members?
    , @Rob McX

    That, of course, ignores all the shit that never gets reported by the government and/or the press...
     
    And there's surely a lot that's not being reported. We know the authorities covered up the torture and mutilation of victims in the Bataclan massacre. I think we can assume they will henceforth conceal any case where there are no casualties or civilian witnesses, e.g. a massive terrorist attack nipped in the bud. Also, we were told the Munich shooter was a lone wolf, but now it's turned out the police have arrested an Afghan on suspicion of being in collusion with him.
    , @Rapparee
    We probably don't hear even 20% of the discontent that's running through Europeans' heads and being quietly expressed in bars and social clubs between friends. The media don't like that sort of talk getting too much coverage, lest it disrupt a fragile narrative. Here's a scary fact to recall: Anders Breivik may have been planning his attack for up to nine years, during which he apparently expressed his murderous intentions to not a single soul. The anti-Islamic activists in Europe we actually see are likely just the tip of a very large and increasingly dangerous iceberg.

    When Europe looks back at the early 21st century in the rear-view mirror, the conservative nationalist "extremists" who wanted to halt Muslim immigration will be remembered as the real sober-minded humanitarians, whose prescriptions could have prevented the savage blood-baths and ethnic cleansing that sent Europe's Muslims scrambling for leaky south-bound boats across the Mediterranean. It's easy to mock contemporary Europeans for being pathetic weenies, but living memory alone preserves a pretty terrifying list of angry mobs, attempted coups, and bloodthirsty paramilitary groups.
  73. @Claude
    It's striking how deep the mental neutralizers of PC go, right down the news announcement: the hostage is "fighting for their life".

    If we're too sensitive to say the hostage is "fighting for HIS life" or the hostage is "fighting for HER life", I don't think that will match up well to guys with bombs and axes.

    With an attitude like that, we're already slaves. We're just waiting for the chain.

    “fighting for their life”: she’s a nun, isn’t she? So I suspect that “her” might be the suitable pronoun.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    You're typing fast on a breaking news story and you can't remember the sex of the other victim, so you use "their." You could have said "fighting for life," but you didn't think of that in time. (You aren't allowed to use the second person like I'm using.)
  74. @Jack D
    This is another operation by Putin to get Donald Trump elected. After the election Trump will hand the Baltic states over to Putin and in return he will be allowed to open a Trump casino in Moscow. If he gives them Poland, Putin will throw in a golf course.

    Steve is CIA agitprop. The movie critic background, marketer, promoter, and his mystery years before his appearance of Art Linkletter “Kids Say the Darndest Things”

    CIA is operated by Illuminati who themselves are a human/Borg hybrid. The end purpose is assimilation into the Borg collective.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJi3R1C22H8
    , @FX Enderby
    There is no "Steve Sailer." Much like Osama B the few photos we have of the supposed recluse Sailer are obvious forgeries posed by random actors of differing height, nose width and beard length. The entire iSteve persona was a deep cover operation conceived by known CIA asset William F Buckley and his stooge Peter Brimelow (Fabian socialist) during a National Review CIA sponsored cruise in the mid 90's. What started as a drunken joke got out of hand when Brimelow, using deep state funding and his illuminati contacts had Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart (nephew-in-law of Fidel Castro) pose for a gag photo session with fake beard during a secret gathering of a cabal of open borders fanatics. At that meeting, VDARE was planned and the Steve Sailer character was invented - including a flimsy background. "Sailer" was to be a former Eagle Scout from California who had an obscure career as a market researcher...
  75. @TomSchmidt
    Ok, now I know you're a parody troll.

    SD let that slip a while ago that he was being satirical.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    I think not. I have seen Tiny D*ck and S*ck D*ck at other sites posting with the same trollish stuff.
  76. @Jim Don Bob
    At an upcoming debate, Donald Trump asks, "So, Mrs. Clinton, what would you do about Islamic terrorism?"
  77. @Tacitus2016
    Addit. I did say languid but religion does tend to energize some.

    I guess people figure that the next victim will be someone else's uncle or child. The costs of this submission will be socialized. Then eventually things will settle down and there will be neither Arab or Greek, and we will be one...if we just stay nice.

    I took the family to Le Mont-Saint-Michel in Normandy last year. After the Charlie Hedbo shootings I was feeling a little wary of France. Le Mont-Saint-Michel is magnificent. I saw no armed guards there. I hope things have changed.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Saint-Michel

    “Mont-Saint-Michel is magnificent”: agreed. We found the trick was to book a hotel room there: the whole place became even more wonderful when the day-trippers departed.

  78. @Bobby
    Are you sure the attack was aimed at other Muslims? I think three turks were killed, but that's because lots of school-age kids in Germany are turks rather than because the shooter specifically wanted to kill Muslims.

    He did it in a Turk-rich suburb.

  79. @dearieme
    “fighting for their life”: she's a nun, isn't she? So I suspect that "her" might be the suitable pronoun.

    You’re typing fast on a breaking news story and you can’t remember the sex of the other victim, so you use “their.” You could have said “fighting for life,” but you didn’t think of that in time. (You aren’t allowed to use the second person like I’m using.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    You’re typing fast on a breaking news story and you can’t remember the sex of the other victim, so you use “their.” You could have said “fighting for life,” but you didn’t think of that in time. (You aren’t allowed to use the second person like I’m using.)

     

    The apocalypse is breaking so fast that its chroniclers are sleep-deprived and getting cranky.
  80. @Anon7
    OT: meanwhile, in more "new normal" news closer to home:

    47 people shot in Chicago this weekend

    #BLM

    That’s been the “new normal” in Chicago since the “Great Migration”….

  81. @Cwhatfuture
    " The INS can vet them, I will put in a "serious" vetting program, all Muslims are not terrorists, we will defeat ISIS, the main victims of ISIS are Muslims, we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces" - sorry someone was playing the Hillary tape out loud before it was inserted into the Stepford Candidate herself.

    “we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces”

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That’s about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    ...5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen...,
     
    Wow that is almost infinitesimal, but apparently it is enough to get them their own distinctive Chaplain's insignia.
    , @Hail

    only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That’s about 0.28% of servicemen
     
    Interesting -- Source with full religious identification numbers, please.
    , @anon
    Well, we've been invaded by every ethnic and racial group in the world over the last 40 years and virtually all of them are underrepresented in the military, particularly combat arms. They are smart. Only white men are stupid enough to sacrifice life and limb for this system. Doubly stupid because the system they fight for hates their guts and wants nothing more in this world than to see their kind eliminated. The ultimate cucks.
    , @International Jew

    That’s about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population
     
    Heh, there are probably more Muslims than that in the Israeli army! (And without a doubt, if you count Druze as Muslims.)
    , @Whoever
    FY2016 armed forces personnel 1.3 million (1,301,300 = official DOD end-year projection).
    Defense Manpower Data Center figures on religion of personnel (data collected from individuals when they enter the service):
    Jewish, 0.32 percent (percent US population, 2.2 percent);
    Muslim, 0.25 percent (percent US population, 1 percent).
    The only over-represented "major" religious group in the armed forces that I can note at a glance is Baptist, about 10 percent of the total population and 13.88 percent of service members. For comparison, Catholics are about 22 percent of the US population but 20.22 percent of the armed forces.
    Interesting to me is that the Brethren make up 0.04 percent of the armed forces, so they are over-represented by something like 10 times. If you take Uncle Sam's designation "Brethren" to include all Anabaptists, we're still over-represented by about four times. Pretty good for a bunch of apolitical pacifists--or pretty bad, depending on your point of view.
    I'm not sure how seriously we should take these numbers, since there are categories like Other Protestant (4.92 percent), Other Christian (19.56 percent), No Religious Preference (19.55 percent) and Data Error (8.87 percent)--I know some people who would gleefully jot down "Data Error" on a form requesting their religious preference.
    , @cwhatfuture
    Of course, it is nonsense but the Stepford Candidate will say exactly those things, maybe in exactly that order. If a muslim "refugee" was slitting a liberal's throat, the last thoughts going through his mind will be "there are muslim veterinarians".
    , @RadicalCenter
    Thank God. Nobody should be permitted in our military who is Muslim in the first place.

    More broadly, nobody should be admitted to 0ur military unless he can prove that all four of his grandparents were born in the USA to people who were here legally. That would disqualify the majority of the Muslims (and a majority of Mexicans, for that matter, so sad).
  82. Review of Hamilton is described by B.Kristol as “refreshingly dyspeptic” – I think it’s pretty Steveish

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/07/you-should-be-terrified-that-people-who-like-hamilton-run-our-country

    “How did a ten-million-dollar 8th Grade U.S. History skit become “the great work of art of the 21st century” (as the New Yorker’s Adam Gopnik says those in his circle have been calling it)?

    To judge from the reviews, most of the appeal seems to rest with the forced diversity of its cast and the novelty concept of a “hip-hop musical.” Those who write about Hamilton often dwell primarily on its “groundbreaking” use of rap and its “bold” choice to cast an assemblage of black, Asian, and Latino actors as the Founding Fathers. Indeed, Hamilton exists more as a corporate HR department’s wet dream than as a biographical work.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    Back when Chernow's biography Hamilton was making waves, there were two types of people who made a fuss about it. Those who read it, and those who wished they had read it so they could come across as smart, cultured, and important. However, the biography was a 'damn'd thick, square book.' The musical Hamilton is the Cliff Notes version of the biography, and it's being flocked to with thankful relief by everyone who's too dumb or lazy to have read the book.
    , @Spotted Toad
    The current elite has to pretend to love Beyoncé and Taylor Swift, remember (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/magazine/the-death-of-adulthood-in-american-culture.html ) lest they be accused of being sexist snobs. Watching something that even mildly nods at more complex interests while extravagantly assuring them of its own suitability and wokeness is evidently a strong stimulation to the mind of a 2016-era patrician, like watching Frozen was for your average 6-year-old girl. (https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/hamilton-and-shared-experience/ )
    , @Anonymous
    Below is a link to a performance by Lin-Manuel Miranda at the White House in 2009. I think he gives a very engaging and compelling performance. He's good-looking in this video and kind of sexy. He has good energy and exudes intelligence. I'm not a fan of rap and haven't seen Hamilton, but I think Miranda is pretty impressive in the video below. Miranda's singing style reminds me a bit of Jim Carroll's.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGn
  83. The top ten trending news stories on my Facebook newsfeed doesn’t include the attempted beheading of a priest.

    That seems peculiar.

    Unless one is willing to internalize the notion that Scott Zuckerberg is the shit and blood vomiting scourge of Satan, or some facsimile thereof.

    He has actually admitted to slitting the throats of goats in his backyard, if that serves as the spoonful of sugar that helps the medicine go down.

    There’s something very wrong with that boy.

  84. @whorefinder
    This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed.

    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential. And yet we look around the world and we see great inequality. Some people live in squalor and suffering while we live well. Some people are so tormented inside that they turn to violent acts. Why? Not because of anything inherent to them; ‘there but for the grace of God…’. It is because of the situation they have been put in by those who, by historical accident, have had the power to make the world conform to their wishes. And these same people now wish to protect this unearned advantage and privilege of theirs, instead of moving towards a world we know is possible, a world in which everyone lives like whites. They blame the victims of circumstance and further alienate them from society. How can you live with yourself seeing the unnecesary inequality in the world and not doing anything about it, in fact, exacerbating it? This is what is sick. How can you not feel guilty for living well because of the sins of your ancestors? Yes, there may be suffering and friction in moving to this better world of universal flourishing, but in the scheme of things it is not so great—how many deaths are caused by terrorism?—and any moral person would consider it a sacrifice worth making.

    • LOL: Harold
    • Replies: @e
    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential.

    Statement one: total babble
    Statement two: total babble

    Do you think a Doberman and a lab are the "same" in temperament? Do you think a Border Collie and a bulldog are the same and "of equal potential" in smarts?

    Ach.

    As for the awful circumstances that people are born into or must live in? Do you think all people came out of America's Great Depression "the same" even if their living circumstances were "the same"?

    You can start with twin studies. Begin with identical twins separated at birth who go to families of very different economic and social circumstances. Google around, man.
    , @Jack D
    If you start with a false premise you get the wrong answer. If "every people is the same", why is distance running dominated by East Africans and sprinting by West Africans? Why are the majority of the players in the NBA and NFL black when they only constitute 13% of the US population?

    We are all equal in dignity before God and the law but that's about as far as it goes. Some people have musical talent - I can't sing a note. Some people are gifted at making things that other people want - the Japanese for example. Others don't produce much of anything - Cambodians for example. This is not just some sort of accident - there are real differences in intelligence, diligence, motivation, etc. that lead to different outcomes. If you were to replay the simulation over again 100 times, the results would end up the same because Japanese are not Khmers nor vice versa. There is no alternate universe where Khmers make high quality automobiles and the Japanese make fish sauce, where Jews dominate the NFL and blacks dominate finance and the law.

    You have no reason to feel guilty about the lifestyle that you enjoy. This lifestyle was created by the hard work and ingenuity of your father and grandfather and was not just the result of winning some global lotto ticket. Help the less fortunate if you wish (with your own damn money, not mine) but don't feel guilty about it.

    , @anon

    Every people is the same.
     
    No they aren't.

    Every people has equal potential.
     
    No they don't.
    , @Anonymous
    Grow up.
    , @Anonymous
    Yeah, right.

    The biggest and longest standing 'racial inequality' the world has ever seen is, of course, in India, and has persisted for something like 3000 years.
    It is, of course, the Hindu caste system and the gulf between Brahmins, at one extreme, and Dalits at the other.
    The gulf in living standards, social status, income, life chances etc etc simply dwarfs anything you accuse white people of doing.

    So, why don't you go to India and fight for the Dalits?
    - Expect bicycle spokes to be poked through your eyeballs, and gasoline to be poured over your body - and ignited.
    , @Harold
    I feel bad for wasting people’s time, now. I wasn’t serious.

    The point is this: HBD is key. We will never win without killing the great lie of cognitive uniformity.

    And soon we will know.

  85. @Wilkey
    "we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces"

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).

    …5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That’s about 0.28% of servicemen…,

    Wow that is almost infinitesimal, but apparently it is enough to get them their own distinctive Chaplain’s insignia.

  86. Hail says: • Website
    @anonymous
    Muslim extremists love to bomb and attack the houses of worship of those they don't like. It's a worldwide pattern. I'm only surprised it hasn't become a major sized event, at least not yet that is.

    Muslim extremists love to bomb and attack the houses of worship

    Hitler refused to use chemical weapons in the war. “If we use them, the British will use them against us again; let’s avoid the madness of the previous war.” (not a direct quote).

    Attacks on churches in the heart of Europe would seem to be inviting attacks on mosques in the same…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    AH was an aristocrat.
    , @International Jew

    Attacks on churches in the heart of Europe would seem to be inviting attacks on mosques in the same…
     
    Unfortunately Hitler's logic only applied because he faced determined resistance. Western Europeans today are more apt to convert their churches into rapefugee crash pads, than they are to harm one hair of a mosque's armpit.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11473420/German-churches-open-their-doors-to-refugees-under-protection-of-ancient-custom.html
  87. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    Review of Hamilton is described by B.Kristol as "refreshingly dyspeptic" - I think it's pretty Steveish

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/07/you-should-be-terrified-that-people-who-like-hamilton-run-our-country

    "How did a ten-million-dollar 8th Grade U.S. History skit become “the great work of art of the 21st century” (as the New Yorker’s Adam Gopnik says those in his circle have been calling it)?

    To judge from the reviews, most of the appeal seems to rest with the forced diversity of its cast and the novelty concept of a “hip-hop musical.” Those who write about Hamilton often dwell primarily on its “groundbreaking” use of rap and its “bold” choice to cast an assemblage of black, Asian, and Latino actors as the Founding Fathers. Indeed, Hamilton exists more as a corporate HR department’s wet dream than as a biographical work."
     

    Back when Chernow’s biography Hamilton was making waves, there were two types of people who made a fuss about it. Those who read it, and those who wished they had read it so they could come across as smart, cultured, and important. However, the biography was a ‘damn’d thick, square book.’ The musical Hamilton is the Cliff Notes version of the biography, and it’s being flocked to with thankful relief by everyone who’s too dumb or lazy to have read the book.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    … and it’s being flocked to with thankful relief by everyone who’s too dumb or lazy to have read the book.
     
    Flocking? ¡Estoy muy confundido! Oh but I'm dumb AND lazy so that mus' 'splain why I'm no flocking. We can all no be as smart as you mi novia.
  88. @Wilkey
    "we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces"

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).

    only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That’s about 0.28% of servicemen

    Interesting — Source with full religious identification numbers, please.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Google it. It was easy enough to find.

    Frankly I'm shocked that it's even that high. I vaguely recall seeing numbers a decade or so ago, early in the war on terror, that were even worse than that - something like only 1,000 or so, and that before we started reducing the size of the military. My guess is that a fair share of those 5,896 Muslim servicemen signed up in order to speed up the immigration process. Remove immigration incentives from the benefits of military service and I'd guess the share of Muslims in the military would be even lower.
  89. And EU governments are trying to keep jihadis from leaving for Syria/Iraq so they’re forced to terrorize the indigenous population instead.

  90. Je suis whoever’s next.

    • Replies: @Harold
    Never send to know for whom we je suis; we je suis for thee.
  91. @Wilkey
    June 12: Orlando – 49 dead, 53 injured
    July 14: Nice – 84 dead, 308 injured
    July 18: Wurzburg – 5 injured
    July 19: Laragne-Montéglin - 4 injured (including 3 children)
    July 22: Munich – 9 dead, 35 injured
    July 24: Reutlingen – 2 dead (incl. unborn child), 2 injured
    July 24: Ansbach – 12 injured
    July 25: Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray - 1 dead, 1 injured

    This marks the seventh Islamist attack in Europe in less than two weeks. That, of course, ignores all the shit that never gets reported by the government and/or the press: rapes, assaults, sexual assaults, verbal and physical threats, and other assorted crimes.

    The "good" news is that the number of surviving victims is climbing rapidly - over 300 from the Nice attack alone. While I'm sure more than a few of them will go full Stockholm Syndrome, many of them will turn into witnesses against the Muslim Invasion.

    never gets reported by the government

    If a Muslim commits a crime against a European, and there’s no one there to weave a “terrorism” narrative, does it matter at all?

    What if the Rotterdam Muslims had been ISIS members?

  92. @AndrewR
    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don't think it's fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I'm not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don't understand why the society couldn't have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.

    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don’t think it’s fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I’m not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don’t understand why the society couldn’t have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.

    Wrong! This is EXACTLY how you treat SJW bullies.

    SJW’s deserve no mercy. This guy handled her perfectly by immediately getting in her face and scolding her like the coddled, bullying child she is, insulting her and turning her amygdala to mush. She goes into flight mode once she sees he’s not going to back down or give her the upper hand. She is used to cowing others — that’s what SJW’s do — but crumbles and gives up when the tables are turned.

    • Replies: @eah
    SJW’s deserve no mercy.

    I agree -- especially an obnoxious, self-righteous bitch like her.

    And actually the best part of the video (in terms of showing what a hypocritical ass she is) is at approx 4:00, when she says she does not appreciate being 'personally attacked and having a finger jabbed in my face' -- but if you recall, earlier in the video, at approx 1:45, she started it by asking where he was 'domiciled' for tax purposes -- I didn't really see how that was at all relevant to the discussion, and I think he was right to take it as a kind of SJW-ish personal 'attack', and respond accordingly.
  93. Academics are less worried about terrorism than “Countering racism in counter-terrorism and surveillance discourse”, the title of a call for papers by the publisher Palgrave:

    http://www.palgrave-journals.com/palcomms/authors/call-for-papers#countering-racism
    Countering racism in counter-terrorism and surveillance discourse

    Latest deadline for article proposals: December 2016
    Final deadline for full submissions: April 2017

    Guest editor: Dr Katy P Sian (Department of Sociology, University of York, UK)

    The ‘war on terror’ has prompted a surge of surveillance and counter-terror measures across Western democracies in the campaign to counter extremism. The effects of this increased securitization has had major consequences for Muslim and racialized populations more generally who have found themselves caught in the murky web of state surveillance and counter-terror operations. Loose and vague definitions of extremism circulated through political and academic commentary has meant that the very category of ‘terror suspect’ continues to be underpinned by Orientalist, racist, and Islamophobic articulations. From the implementation of the British government’s Prevent Policy to the authorization of the USA Patriot Act, a shadowy condition has emerged in which communities of colour have become governed and regulated through systematic practices of racism under the guise of national security. On the ground this has produced the intensification and sophistication of racial-profiling methods such as the spying of Muslims in public-sector organizations, warrantless wiretapping, No Fly Lists, body scanners at airports, and advanced biometrics producing masses and masses of data on citizens. The contemporary surveillance state has also strengthened and legitimized further unjust practices of torture, rendition, extradition, and incarceration of racialized bodies.

    The exercise of surveillance and counter-terror measures in western nations to manage racialized populations is not a new phenomenon. From Hoover’s Counter Intelligence Programme (COINTELPRO), developed to shut down and eliminate groups including civil rights organizations, the black panther party, and advocates of American Indian sovereignty; to the extradition of aborigines; the monitoring of refugees and migrants through border control; and regular stops and searches of black communities, state surveillance and counter-terrorism directed at racialized communities has had a long history. The ‘war on terror’ can thus be seen as the catalyst that propelled and advanced the reach of the state’s racial security apparatus.

    This special issue invites critical scholarship around (but not limited to) critical race and postcolonial analysis that seeks to address the historical shifts and contemporary developments of counter-terrorism and surveillance discourse.

    Specifically, contributions are invited from academics, policymakers and practitioners on the following themes:

    State governmentality/discipline of people of colour through counter-terror/surveillance regimes;
    The development and contemporary nature of racism, surveillance, and counter-terrorism;
    Responses, strategies, and resistance to counter-terror/surveillance policy from communities of colour;
    Challenging Eurocentrism, Orientalism, and positivism in counter-terror/surveillance discourse;
    Muslims, Islamophobia, and surveillance/counter-terrorism policy in the war on terror;
    The effects of counter-terror policy and surveillance on communities of colour (specific examples might include: Prevent policy, CVE, stop and search/frisk, watch-lists/flying while brown, control orders, extradition, COINTELPRO, border agency control, etc);
    Racialization, criminalization, and constructing ‘suspect’ communities;
    The exercise of surveillance/counter-terror practices and the state’s suppression of black/brown politics/activism (specific examples might include Civil Rights, pro-Palestine, Black Panther Party, other anti-imperial/colonial movements, etc).

  94. @Anonymous
    "Je suis européen" has a rather resonant ring to it.

    “Je suis européen”

    Get Twitter on this.

  95. @Massimo Heitor

    I have read reports from the BBC, Le Monde, and another French newspaper. None talked about terrorists.
     
    The linked article blamed ISIS and said ‘while shouting Allahu Akbar’ in the headline. Outlets like BBC didn't hype those pieces, but they aren't blind, they know it was Muslims, and they know their readers assume Muslims. And while they may temper their reporting, they aren't trying to change their readers perception of a growing culture war.

    Almost everyone on the traditional European left-right axis is horrified. The right want to shut the borders and maybe expel some recent arrivals. The left don't want to close borders, they see what is happening, but seem genuinely out of ideas for what to do, beyond extended tolerance and patience and hope the culture war just blows over.

    Right now on the BBC news front page, they admit (in small type, half way down the page) IS (Islamic State) claims killing of French priest, but the big headline above the fold is:

    Michelle Obama denounces Trump ‘hate’

    That’s the BIG story.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    Michelle Obama denounces Trump ‘hate’

    That’s the BIG story.
     
    I'm not defending the bias of BBC or any of these. They all have bias. They often conform to that of their fan base.

    Michelle Obama denouncing Trump is a newsworthy event. More importantly, people will click on that.

    I find the whole Obama+Democrat "collective guilt for thee but not for me" angle absurd. The Dylan Roof incident prompted wide spread shaming of Confederate symbols and ideology, yet Islams and the Muslim religion is somehow sacrosanct and beyond criticism?

    Yet apparently, shaming any criticism of Islam or immigration to the west as "hate" seems to be rhetorically effective.
  96. So you are equating the present situation of Muslim terrorism in Europe, where a few dozen people have been killed, to World War I, where thousands died every day? I can see that you are not a fan of hyperbole, Sailer. That was my attempt at irony.

    • Replies: @anon
    extrapolate
    , @Anonymous
    Look, you fool, world war 1 was sparked off by the terrorist murder of just one single individual.
  97. They must not be very bright. Even an Arab immigrant should have spotted that Christianity in France lost its teeth decades ago and that it would be the last to provide any opposition to a Muslim takeover.

    And…nuns? Is this the 50s again? How did even manage to find any nuns? What’s their next target going to be, Bonapartists?

  98. I’m not concerned what the intent of moving the terror to the church was. The effect is the breaching of a central boundary, one that means a lot more to the Muslim than it does to the Westerner. A lack of meaningful response will be devastating, though many Westerners won’t see this. It says that their supposedly core institution is no longer worth defending- a kind of decadence that is easily as notable to Muslims as pornography, bikinis, or alcohol. It truly signals that the West is a hollow shell spiritually and a paper tiger. This is much worse than the killer truck.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Perhaps the attacker thought the way you suggest.

    But if anything this is a moment where the "core institution worth defending" is not the totally moribund Roman church that over 1500 years came from the South as the second of three waves of Abrahamic incursion...

    ...but is, or will be, revealed to be the entirely alive, chthonic, and organic European genome.

    Europeans must mind the gap and hop onto that train.

    Consider that abandonment of Christianity derives not from horrible secularism or downfall...but from awakening to the fact that the Abrahamic religions' place in Europe was always problematic...and psychologically divisive. (Witness the massive and ongoing white-on-white civil wars of the past thousand Abrahamic years.)

    Till Watson and Crick, we didn't have a good way to put it. The eugenicists and others tried, but got bogged down.

    Now we know better. Now we can do better. I am constantly irritated by how people assert that Christianity produced high civilization in Europe. Funny how it never managed to do that, say, anywhere with African native populations in Africa, eh? Nor Judaism either.

  99. The remains of the priest-killers will be treated with respect.

    An Imam will be found to perform the appropriate Muslim service.

    (What ought to happen: the bodies are fed to pigs and the feast is recorded on tape which is then shown on appropriate outlets. Wannabe suicide killers can get a look at their own future if they decide to emulate these cowards.)

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  100. @Jonathan Silber
    Je suis whoever's next.

    Never send to know for whom we je suis; we je suis for thee.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    Never send to know for whom we je suis; we je suis for thee.
     
    Ah yes, the memorable closing line of the famous poem 'For Whom The Ayatollah Bellows.'
  101. eah says:
    @Cryptogenic

    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don’t think it’s fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I’m not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don’t understand why the society couldn’t have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.
     
    Wrong! This is EXACTLY how you treat SJW bullies.

    SJW's deserve no mercy. This guy handled her perfectly by immediately getting in her face and scolding her like the coddled, bullying child she is, insulting her and turning her amygdala to mush. She goes into flight mode once she sees he's not going to back down or give her the upper hand. She is used to cowing others -- that's what SJW's do -- but crumbles and gives up when the tables are turned.

    SJW’s deserve no mercy.

    I agree — especially an obnoxious, self-righteous bitch like her.

    And actually the best part of the video (in terms of showing what a hypocritical ass she is) is at approx 4:00, when she says she does not appreciate being ‘personally attacked and having a finger jabbed in my face’ — but if you recall, earlier in the video, at approx 1:45, she started it by asking where he was ‘domiciled’ for tax purposes — I didn’t really see how that was at all relevant to the discussion, and I think he was right to take it as a kind of SJW-ish personal ‘attack’, and respond accordingly.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I had to check into Laurie Penny's background, HBD-wise, and she's the spawn of ((( ))) and Irish lawyers, so she's exactly what you'd expect her to be.
  102. The MSM networks are going to great lengths to downplay the horrific news. They want no information that challenges the Obama and Clinton fairytales at the DNC convention.

  103. OT: Beggars can be choosey. Parasitical Syrian economic immigrants disappointed in boring Scottish isle in the bonnie River Clyde .

    He [Mohammed] added: “We thought we were going to London or Manchester. But whenever we say anything about moving off the island, we are told, ‘we had to pay a lot of money to bring you here’.

    “I feel like it’s an obligatory residence. I feel humiliated. I didn’t come here for anyone to control me.”

  104. @Travis
    imagine how the media would report the killing of a Muslim mulllah in a mosque in France or America. Even if the perp was a leftist democrat, the media would portray the culprits as racist, nationalist zealots.

    The Corsicans burned a Mosque last year and it received surprisingly littl coverage.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    It happened around the same time Corsican nationalists won the regional elections, and the FN did quite well elsewhere, so perhaps the mosque burning was lost in the hubbub and became too complicated to bother explaining. The Corsican nationalist layer on top of the story meant it lacked that special something that narratives "with legs" require.
  105. @Cwhatfuture
    " The INS can vet them, I will put in a "serious" vetting program, all Muslims are not terrorists, we will defeat ISIS, the main victims of ISIS are Muslims, we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces" - sorry someone was playing the Hillary tape out loud before it was inserted into the Stepford Candidate herself.

    The other day PBS ran a fact-check on Donald Trump’s acceptance speech.

    TRUMP: “My opponent has called for a radical 550 percent increase in Syrian (refugees). … She proposes this despite the fact that there’s no way to screen these refugees in order to find out who they are or where they come from. I only want to admit individuals into our country who will support our values and love our people.”

    THE FACTS: Trump persists in making the bogus claim that the U.S. doesn’t screen refugees. The administration both screens them and knows where they are from. The Department of Homeland Security leads the process, which involves rigorous background checks. Processing of a refugee can take 18 months to two years, and usually longer for those coming from Syria. Refugees are also subject to in-person interviews and fingerprint and other biometric screening.

    For all that caution, U.S. officials acknowledge that the Islamic State group could try to place operatives among refugees. Last year, FBI Director James Comey said data about people coming from Syria may be limited, adding, “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our database.”

    So what is it–paragraph 1 or paragraph 2? The former makes Trump sound like a paranoid xenophobe, alarming people over nothing. The latter makes him sound like a responsible statesman, concerned about preventable evils.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The notion that our hyper-efficient government does rigorous ANYTHING is laughable. Is this like the "rigorous" testing that drivers undergo by our crack DMV agents (or is that agents ON crack?) before they are permitted to drive on the public highways? When Homeland Security transfers the AA clowns running airport security to immigrant screening do they suddenly lose 100 lbs. and gain 30 IQ points?

    How do you do a "rigorous" screening on someone from Syria - do you call ISIS up and ask to search their databases? Do you send researchers to the Hall of Records in Homs (which is probably a pile of charred ashes at this point anyway)? A lot of the "Syrian" refugees in Europe aren't even from Syria. You show up at a refugee camp and you give them some tale of woe - I fled for my life with only the clothes on my back and I have no documents whatsoever.

    But the takeaway is supposed to be "Trump = bogus" - you really aren't supposed to read past the 1st line.

    , @rod1963
    How much vetting can you do when their country of origin is in a civil war and the refugees themselves either have fake documents or none at all?

    You can't.

    In person interview? Wow, what you have a fellow Muslim talk to Abdul for 15 minutes because Abdul doesn't speak English.

    Not that the rich mandarians of PBS care. They live in upscale neighborhoods where they don't have to worry about shootings and bombings let alone rapes at the public pool.

    Of course these are the same dictatorial clowns who have no qualms about disarming the law abiding citizen so as to make the country safe for Blacks and Mexicans to prey on lower class whites.

    The bottom line is that we have no idea how many ISIS sleeper agents are here or how many Muzzies will radicalize as they become serious Muslims and take heed of the Koranic order to became a Jihadi.

    My bet is that the sort of violence we see in Europe will be coming here as well. The Muslims looks at us whites and see nothing but sheep who don't even have a self-preservation instinct anymore.
  106. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Alfa158
    SD let that slip a while ago that he was being satirical.

    I think not. I have seen Tiny D*ck and S*ck D*ck at other sites posting with the same trollish stuff.

  107. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says:
    @Anon
    Back when Chernow's biography Hamilton was making waves, there were two types of people who made a fuss about it. Those who read it, and those who wished they had read it so they could come across as smart, cultured, and important. However, the biography was a 'damn'd thick, square book.' The musical Hamilton is the Cliff Notes version of the biography, and it's being flocked to with thankful relief by everyone who's too dumb or lazy to have read the book.

    … and it’s being flocked to with thankful relief by everyone who’s too dumb or lazy to have read the book.

    Flocking? ¡Estoy muy confundido! Oh but I’m dumb AND lazy so that mus’ ‘splain why I’m no flocking. We can all no be as smart as you mi novia.

  108. Neoconned [AKA "trumped"] says:
    @Anonymous
    It's not Catholicism. Or faithful Catholics. The devil and the demonic has always been targeting the Church, and in the last half-century has been very successful. Read or listen to the late traditionalist priest, Fr. Malachi Martin on this subject. As Pope Paul VI warned over four decades ago, "The smoke of Satan has entered the Church." It has been the truly faithful and traditional Catholics who have seen this coming. From Pat Buchanan to Jean Raspail.

    I remember being in shock listening to Malachi Martin on art bell in the 90s announcing that in the not too distant future, the Pope would be evil and ruling on behalf of Satan. He also hinted that this was the true meaning of the Third Secret of Fatima.

    I thought it sounded a bit out there and wild at the time. Now? Not so much.

    By the way, all of the Melachi Martin shows with art bell are on youtube. Just search youtube for art bell and melachi martin – it is talk radio at its absolute most entertaining.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Actually, you might just be right.
  109. @Anonymous Nephew
    Review of Hamilton is described by B.Kristol as "refreshingly dyspeptic" - I think it's pretty Steveish

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/07/you-should-be-terrified-that-people-who-like-hamilton-run-our-country

    "How did a ten-million-dollar 8th Grade U.S. History skit become “the great work of art of the 21st century” (as the New Yorker’s Adam Gopnik says those in his circle have been calling it)?

    To judge from the reviews, most of the appeal seems to rest with the forced diversity of its cast and the novelty concept of a “hip-hop musical.” Those who write about Hamilton often dwell primarily on its “groundbreaking” use of rap and its “bold” choice to cast an assemblage of black, Asian, and Latino actors as the Founding Fathers. Indeed, Hamilton exists more as a corporate HR department’s wet dream than as a biographical work."
     

    The current elite has to pretend to love Beyoncé and Taylor Swift, remember (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/magazine/the-death-of-adulthood-in-american-culture.html ) lest they be accused of being sexist snobs. Watching something that even mildly nods at more complex interests while extravagantly assuring them of its own suitability and wokeness is evidently a strong stimulation to the mind of a 2016-era patrician, like watching Frozen was for your average 6-year-old girl. (https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/hamilton-and-shared-experience/ )

  110. @AndrewR
    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don't think it's fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I'm not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don't understand why the society couldn't have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.

    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don’t think it’s fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time.

    You’re trying to invoke the false premise that because someone is a pathetic individual, they are not to be criticized for their ugly behavior. That’s the reasoning behind white folks demonstrating at BLM demonstrations, and the notion is odious, and intellectual cowardice.

    She called the man a racist, which is the magic rattle of SJW’s employ to stop any further rational discourse, and she got what was coming, which was an examination of her fundamental authenticity.

    Never shrink from people attacking you because you feel they’re too stupid or poor to know better. Moral relativism is poison to modern civilization. It hijacks rational discourse, and transports it to the twilight zone.

    You should know better.

    • Agree: Cryptogenic
  111. @Hacienda
    Steve is CIA agitprop. The movie critic background, marketer, promoter, and his mystery years before his appearance of Art Linkletter "Kids Say the Darndest Things"

    CIA is operated by Illuminati who themselves are a human/Borg hybrid. The end purpose is assimilation into the Borg collective.

  112. @Harry Baldwin
    The other day PBS ran a fact-check on Donald Trump's acceptance speech.

    TRUMP: “My opponent has called for a radical 550 percent increase in Syrian (refugees). … She proposes this despite the fact that there’s no way to screen these refugees in order to find out who they are or where they come from. I only want to admit individuals into our country who will support our values and love our people.”

    THE FACTS: Trump persists in making the bogus claim that the U.S. doesn’t screen refugees. The administration both screens them and knows where they are from. The Department of Homeland Security leads the process, which involves rigorous background checks. Processing of a refugee can take 18 months to two years, and usually longer for those coming from Syria. Refugees are also subject to in-person interviews and fingerprint and other biometric screening.

    For all that caution, U.S. officials acknowledge that the Islamic State group could try to place operatives among refugees. Last year, FBI Director James Comey said data about people coming from Syria may be limited, adding, “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our database.”
     
    So what is it--paragraph 1 or paragraph 2? The former makes Trump sound like a paranoid xenophobe, alarming people over nothing. The latter makes him sound like a responsible statesman, concerned about preventable evils.

    The notion that our hyper-efficient government does rigorous ANYTHING is laughable. Is this like the “rigorous” testing that drivers undergo by our crack DMV agents (or is that agents ON crack?) before they are permitted to drive on the public highways? When Homeland Security transfers the AA clowns running airport security to immigrant screening do they suddenly lose 100 lbs. and gain 30 IQ points?

    How do you do a “rigorous” screening on someone from Syria – do you call ISIS up and ask to search their databases? Do you send researchers to the Hall of Records in Homs (which is probably a pile of charred ashes at this point anyway)? A lot of the “Syrian” refugees in Europe aren’t even from Syria. You show up at a refugee camp and you give them some tale of woe – I fled for my life with only the clothes on my back and I have no documents whatsoever.

    But the takeaway is supposed to be “Trump = bogus” – you really aren’t supposed to read past the 1st line.

  113. Marion Marechal Le Pen’s reaction:

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen 2h2 hours ago View translation
    En Occident comme en Orient, les chrétiens doivent se lever pour résister à l’islamisme ! #SaintEtienneduRouvray

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen 6h6 hours ago View translation
    Ils tuent nos enfants, assassinent nos policiers et égorgent nos prêtres. Réveillez-vous ! #SaintEtienneduRouvray

    • Replies: @dearieme
    Instead Mr Hollande will fruitlessly bomb a bit of desert somewhere.
  114. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    You're typing fast on a breaking news story and you can't remember the sex of the other victim, so you use "their." You could have said "fighting for life," but you didn't think of that in time. (You aren't allowed to use the second person like I'm using.)

    You’re typing fast on a breaking news story and you can’t remember the sex of the other victim, so you use “their.” You could have said “fighting for life,” but you didn’t think of that in time. (You aren’t allowed to use the second person like I’m using.)

    The apocalypse is breaking so fast that its chroniclers are sleep-deprived and getting cranky.

  115. @syonredux
    Marion Marechal Le Pen's reaction:

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen 2h2 hours ago View translation
    En Occident comme en Orient, les chrétiens doivent se lever pour résister à l'islamisme ! #SaintEtienneduRouvray

     


    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen 6h6 hours ago View translation
    Ils tuent nos enfants, assassinent nos policiers et égorgent nos prêtres. Réveillez-vous ! #SaintEtienneduRouvray
     

    Instead Mr Hollande will fruitlessly bomb a bit of desert somewhere.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Instead Mr Hollande will fruitlessly bomb a bit of desert somewhere.
     
    No doubt. Of course, I'm in no position to cast stones, seeing as GHW Bush decided that he would rather invade Iraq than secure the borders of the USA.....
  116. @AndrewR
    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don't think it's fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I'm not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don't understand why the society couldn't have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.

    No, it wasn’t the money. Scrambling for a comeback, she said that actually it was because she knew she would be attacked as she just had been. She said the money demand was so she wouldn’t have to appear.

    • Replies: @Sid Falco
    And you believed her ? I have a nice bridge you might be interested in buying.
  117. @Travis
    imagine how the media would report the killing of a Muslim mulllah in a mosque in France or America. Even if the perp was a leftist democrat, the media would portray the culprits as racist, nationalist zealots.

    imagine how the media would report the killing of a Muslim mulllah in a mosque in France or America.

    Of course we don’t have to imagine! After Dylann Roof killed pastor Clementa Pinckney (and eight other black people) at an AME Zion church last year:

    • The National Park Service ceased flying Confederate flags over Fort Sumter
    • Virginia, North Carolina, and Maryland did away with their Confederate flag licence plates
    • Wal-Mart. eBay, Sears, Target, Google, and Amazon stopped selling anything with a Confederate flag on it
    • The US legislature—not to be outdone by a bunch of stores—voted to ban display of the flag in VA cemeteries (perhaps they worried that the dead would become “racist”?)
    • The President of the United States even went so far as to say that God Himself has something against that particular flag!

    All this because authorities found a Confederate flag or two among Roof’s personal effects. It’s not as if his murders were committed to further a living ideology (I think it’s more or less accepted that Confederacy is a dead movement).

  118. Something to worry about: when France is inevitably mired in civil war, which side will the U.S government choose to assist?

    I am seriously considering donating to the National Front.

  119. @Wilkey
    June 12: Orlando – 49 dead, 53 injured
    July 14: Nice – 84 dead, 308 injured
    July 18: Wurzburg – 5 injured
    July 19: Laragne-Montéglin - 4 injured (including 3 children)
    July 22: Munich – 9 dead, 35 injured
    July 24: Reutlingen – 2 dead (incl. unborn child), 2 injured
    July 24: Ansbach – 12 injured
    July 25: Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray - 1 dead, 1 injured

    This marks the seventh Islamist attack in Europe in less than two weeks. That, of course, ignores all the shit that never gets reported by the government and/or the press: rapes, assaults, sexual assaults, verbal and physical threats, and other assorted crimes.

    The "good" news is that the number of surviving victims is climbing rapidly - over 300 from the Nice attack alone. While I'm sure more than a few of them will go full Stockholm Syndrome, many of them will turn into witnesses against the Muslim Invasion.

    That, of course, ignores all the shit that never gets reported by the government and/or the press…

    And there’s surely a lot that’s not being reported. We know the authorities covered up the torture and mutilation of victims in the Bataclan massacre. I think we can assume they will henceforth conceal any case where there are no casualties or civilian witnesses, e.g. a massive terrorist attack nipped in the bud. Also, we were told the Munich shooter was a lone wolf, but now it’s turned out the police have arrested an Afghan on suspicion of being in collusion with him.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    but now it’s turned out the police have arrested an Afghan on suspicion of being in collusion with him.
     
    I really wouldn't make too much of this. In Europe it's not unusual for the police to arrest someone just so they can keep him around for further questioning and to put some pressure on him to talk (their Constitutional protections are not quite the same as ours). If after a few days they don't get anything useful out of the guy they let him go.

    Or else the guy may have known about the attack in advance and did nothing to stop it (which is bad enough) without actually participating in it. The "accomplice" is 16 years old and may have held his loyalty to his friend above compliance with the law - 16 year olds often show poor judgment in matters such as this.

    Anyway, having a 16 year old "accomplice" does not indicate that this was some kind of ISIS operation. The danger in Europe right now is not that ISIS is carrying out organized plots but that these things are happening spontaneously, which is even worse. If there was some kind of centralized command and control you could take out the center and it would all stop, but if these attacks are springing up on their own, then how do you stop them?
    , @anon
    And everyday rapes, muggings and assaults. Some 70% of French prisoners are Muslims. Who needs any of it.
  120. @AndrewR
    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don't think it's fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I'm not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don't understand why the society couldn't have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.

    Andrew – Crypto’s response to you is absolutely correct. That girl is a spoiled child and needs to be treated as such – i.e. take off the gloves. Her passive aggressive behavior is pathetic.

  121. jon says:

    And everyone’s favorite autistic economist, Bryan Caplan, reminds us that we are being innumerate if we are bothered by these attacks:

    Pointing out that immigrants are better than comparable natives is directly analogous to, say, pointing out that the much-maligned Ford Pinto was not unsafe for a compact car. In both cases, false beliefs lead to foolish actions – scapegoating immigrants and Pintos when they’re at least as good as comparable natives and comparable cars. Pointing out that immigrants are better than comparable natives is directly analogous to, say, pointing out that the much-maligned Ford Pinto was not unsafe for a compact car. In both cases, false beliefs lead to foolish actions – scapegoating immigrants and Pintos when they’re at least as good as comparable natives and comparable cars.

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2016/07/immigrant_quali.html

    • Replies: @anon
    That's why he supports open borders for Israel (not).
  122. e says:

    A DNC “news day” for ABC, CBS, NBC, and now that his sons have kicked out Ailes, Murdoch’s Fox….will we even hear about this? I only know about it because it’s the lede on Drudge.

    It’s going to be up to the Donald to talk about this today. Whoops—it’s pretty DARK stuff so Americans might want to put their hands over their ears.

    PS. Just turned on the tv and Fox is indeed reporting it and that ISIS is claiming “credit.”

  123. OT: The Donald is going to be answering questions on reddit on 7pm Eastern Time Wednesday.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4uiq42/its_happening_donald_j_trump_the_man_the_legend/

    Remember when I linked to the_donald and Coulter blogged about it?

  124. @Hail

    Muslim extremists love to bomb and attack the houses of worship
     
    Hitler refused to use chemical weapons in the war. "If we use them, the British will use them against us again; let's avoid the madness of the previous war." (not a direct quote).

    Attacks on churches in the heart of Europe would seem to be inviting attacks on mosques in the same...

    AH was an aristocrat.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    And, like too many aristocrats, incapable of a normal sex life.
  125. meanwhile eugenics extremist murders 19 people in Japan.

    Japan care home attack: picture emerges of modest man with horrifying vision

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/26/japan-care-home-attack-satoshi-uematsu-horrifying-vision-disabled-people

  126. In tonight’s DNC line-up, I see Lena Dunham is scheduled to give remarks. As is Meryl Streep.

    http://fox8.com/2016/07/26/schedule-of-speakers-for-second-night-of-democratic-national-convention-released/

  127. @Jack D
    Right now on the BBC news front page, they admit (in small type, half way down the page) IS (Islamic State) claims killing of French priest, but the big headline above the fold is:

    Michelle Obama denounces Trump 'hate'

    That's the BIG story.

    Michelle Obama denounces Trump ‘hate’

    That’s the BIG story.

    I’m not defending the bias of BBC or any of these. They all have bias. They often conform to that of their fan base.

    Michelle Obama denouncing Trump is a newsworthy event. More importantly, people will click on that.

    I find the whole Obama+Democrat “collective guilt for thee but not for me” angle absurd. The Dylan Roof incident prompted wide spread shaming of Confederate symbols and ideology, yet Islams and the Muslim religion is somehow sacrosanct and beyond criticism?

    Yet apparently, shaming any criticism of Islam or immigration to the west as “hate” seems to be rhetorically effective.

  128. @Kylie
    "This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed."

    No. The Left will make sure enough white Europeans survive to work and pay taxes so the system can support the vermin it imports.

    The Left will make sure enough white Europeans survive to work and pay taxes so the system can support the vermin it imports.

    The Left won’t decide – they are already in the process of being replaced by the people they imported.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "The Left won’t decide – they are already in the process of being replaced by the people they imported."

    That in itself is a decision. A malignantly passive one but about what we could expect.
  129. @whorefinder
    This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed.

    Yes, except it’s not just the Left and anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

    The banking mafia / globalists / corporate oligarchy – whatever you want to call them – are the main party donors and own the media (and partially fund the identity politics wing of the Left as well).

    They want this.

  130. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix M
    I have read reports from the BBC, Le Monde, and another French newspaper. None talked about terrorists.

    By the way, I have been wondering for some time how long it would be before some Muslims would attack Catholic Churches in France. Centres of a false religion and essentially defenceless.

    There have been thousands of attacks on churches and ministers in places like London and Paris over the last 30 years – mostly property and mostly minor.

    The media don’t report it.

    But yes, killing priests / bombing churches is common in large parts of the Islamic world so more serious / fatal attacks will become more common.

  131. @anon
    wasn't the iraq war just blow back from when muslims occupied spain? Now don't bother retorting with 'Spaniards aren't American' because African immigrants to the US weren't enslaved in the US but they are still affected by its legacy. Similarily, the british peple who founded ameria were affected by the moorish occupation of spain, and so 'punched up' when they invaded Iraq, which, btw, has little to do with moorish occupied spain, but swedes have little to do with colonialism, so...yeah.

    I believe the Greek historian Herodotus beat you to it about 2500 years ago when he attributed the Persian Wars with the Greeks back to the rapes of the mythical Greek heroines Io, Europa, Medea and Helen (of Troy). Herodotus was mocked shortly after his death by the great Greek comic dramatist Aristophanes who blamed the then-ongoing Peloponnesian War (between Sparta and Athens) on the supposed abduction of some prostitutes by one city-state from another city-state.

    BTW LOL to “Sick Duck’s” post which started this particular thread.

  132. @AndyBoy
    Never forget it was White Liberals who made this happen. The SWPLs. The groovy kids in Silicon Valley.

    No it wasn’t.

    This was done by a combination of cultural Marxists working through academia and the banking mafia buying the politicians and media.

    SWPL altruism genes (and its virtue signalling mimic cousin) were just the mechanism manipulated to achieve the goal.

    • Agree: Harold
  133. Slaughtering Catholic priests, Catholic monks, nuns is something the worst Islamists have always done and will always do.

    Here’s a book about the Catholic monks who went back to a famous, historical Catholic monastery in Algeria. Algeria was part of the nation of France, not a colony for ~ 130 years.

    “The Last Monk of Tibhirine: A True Story of Martyrdom, Faith, and Survival Kindle Edition
    by Freddy Derwahl (Author)

    The Last Monk of Tibhirine is the story of the Cistercian monk Jean-Pierre Schumacher, the last surviving member of a monastic community kidnapped and killed in Algeria. On the night of March 26, 1996, seven monks from the monastery Notre-Dame de l’Atlas of Tibhirine were kidnapped. Only two members of the community, Brother Jean-Pierre and Brother Amedee (since deceased) had the chance to escape. They did; and today Brother Jean-Pierre lives alone devoted to prayer and unconditional love and welcome. Author Freddy Derwahl was struck by the faith of Jean-Pierre and the book recounts his childhood in Lorraine through years of World War and recalls lost friends and brothers. Derwahl enlightens and illuminates the words of Jean-Pierre, and the profound witness of his brother monks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Here's a movie related to these last monks in Algeria:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQzn2gVGjQ

    I haven't seen it, but it got good reviews.

  134. @anon
    sit back and enjoy the decline
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpXwpYAahg

    She’s a Jewish cultural Marxist.

  135. Meanwhile in the former Church of the former England,

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/this-is-what-im-meant-to-be-doing-the-vicar-welcoming-muslims-to-church

    “In just three years, the Rev Sally Smith has presided over this total transformation of St Mark’s from a middle-class church to something resembling a refugee processing centre.

    It is far from an isolated case. In fact, Smith’s story is a microcosm of what is happening across churches in Europe where a growing number of Muslim refugees are converting to Christianity.

    Some members of the local congregation have been receptive. But many have left, saying they feel alienated by the hundreds of new-look Christians, uncomfortable with the multicultural flags and incredulous at what they see as people taking advantage of Smith.”

    This is in Stoke on Trent, formerly solid working-class Labour, whose people voted heavily in favour of Brexit. I wonder how many were her former parishioners?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Years ago we were visiting London and we were in a china shop (it was one of those times when the exchange rates were favorable to the dollar). My wife, making idle conversation, asked the sales clerk who was waiting on us (one of those Indian gentlemen who is more British than the British) whether it was possible to visit Stoke-on-Trent and buy directly from the factory where our pattern was made. I think he was panicked at the thought that he might lose his sales commission if he said yes, so he blurted out "Oh, no you don't want to go theah" and went on to describe the place as a sort of hellish, sooty Dickensian slum. To this day I have no idea on how pleasant/unpleasant the real Stoke is but his description of it remains vivid. I suppose it would be like asking a native New Yorker whether visiting Elkhart, Indiana is a good idea.
    , @stillCARealist
    We visited Spurgeon's church in London this summer. It's thriving. We were there on a Wednesday night and Peter Masters, who is as conservative, British, and white as they come delivered a good, solid takedown of modern consumer culture. The chairs were full of people from all over the world, and all the colors of the rainbow. Some Ethiopians tried to get us to join... we were tourists from CA, alas.

    From that experience it seems the future of Christianity in Britain is quite racially diverse!
  136. @thisisaknife
    Yes exactly. The SWPL, liberals, elite whites, and (((others))) and the complacent too. Whites ultimately did this to themselves AND WILL CONTINUE TO.

    Whites ultimately did this to themselves

    No they didn’t.

    It was done to them by a minority out of either reckless malice or because they wrongly thought it would make their group safer.

  137. @Wilkey
    "Look at it this way: other than the priest-beheading, it’s been all quiet on the Western front."

    Seriously. Almost a full 24 hours had passed since the last terror attack. I was beginning to worry the Mohammedans had given up.

    Seriously. Almost a full 24 hours had passed since the last terror attack. I was beginning to worry the Mohammedans had given up.

    Reported terror attack.

    Plenty of homicides, bricks through windows, clan rapes etc.

  138. Uh, no … it’s a FALSE FLAG!!! People who can’t even shave somehow have enough dexterity to behead someone with a knife?

    LOL, perfect.

    wasn’t the iraq war just blow back from when muslims occupied spain?

    Yeah, let’s be clear: anything we do to Muslims is justified, according to leftist “logic,” because the Muslims castrated tens, hundreds, of thousands of their black slaves. We could nuke all of MENA to a single sheet of glass, and according to leftist “thinking,” it would be justified.

    …5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That’s about 0.28% of servicemen…,

    Jews are way, way down there, too. Have been ever since the draft ended.

    Interesting — Source with full religious identification numbers, please.

    It’s not hard to find historical info on the religious affiliations of men who died in service. I have a website I made on this topic years ago, though I haven’t updated it since. The death rolls are the most germane, because they reflect who’s really doing the heavy lifting.

  139. @neutral
    These things are becoming so regular that they have become "dog bites man" news, a "man bites dog" news story would be something "No attacks in Europe for an entire week".

    The media are desperately “thirsty” for a “man bites dog” story.
    That’s why they love to report the neo-nazi skinheads attacking innocent immigrant angle… it’s rare enough to actually be news… and it of course fits the narrative.

    What’s really worrying is that for now the migrants are still in the honeymoon phase of their experience in Europe. What will happen in the future when the failure to integrate yields a 2nd and 3rd generation of alienated and embittered “Germans” ripe for the harvest by pied-pipers of hate and violence.

    Unfortunately immigration is inevitably permanent. Short of ethnic cleansing, assimilation is the only hope. If assimilation fails, permanent parallel cultures will fester. With the 2 million new arrivals in 2015 alone, http://www.dw.com/en/two-million-germany-records-largest-influx-of-immigrants-in-2015/a-19131436, the number will inevitably grow with subsequent chain migration and family reunification. No matter how unpleasant things get, the kind-hearted (and soft-headed) people of Germany will never summon the will to forcibly expel any significant number of these. The manipulative media will play the bleedy hearts like they always do.

  140. @Lurker
    The last German attack was against other immigrant Muslims. Was that terrorism or just a nutter? Yet it seems to be listed as 'terrorism. This French attack is clearly an act of naked ethnic/cultural warfare against the indigenous population and thus is not 'terrorism' it's just stuff that happens.

    Shia vs Sunni terrorism.

    (Or more likely Shia minority kid getting bullied in a Sunni majority enclave.)

    (nb the Kabul bomb was Sunni bombing Shia)

  141. @Harry Baldwin
    The other day PBS ran a fact-check on Donald Trump's acceptance speech.

    TRUMP: “My opponent has called for a radical 550 percent increase in Syrian (refugees). … She proposes this despite the fact that there’s no way to screen these refugees in order to find out who they are or where they come from. I only want to admit individuals into our country who will support our values and love our people.”

    THE FACTS: Trump persists in making the bogus claim that the U.S. doesn’t screen refugees. The administration both screens them and knows where they are from. The Department of Homeland Security leads the process, which involves rigorous background checks. Processing of a refugee can take 18 months to two years, and usually longer for those coming from Syria. Refugees are also subject to in-person interviews and fingerprint and other biometric screening.

    For all that caution, U.S. officials acknowledge that the Islamic State group could try to place operatives among refugees. Last year, FBI Director James Comey said data about people coming from Syria may be limited, adding, “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our database.”
     
    So what is it--paragraph 1 or paragraph 2? The former makes Trump sound like a paranoid xenophobe, alarming people over nothing. The latter makes him sound like a responsible statesman, concerned about preventable evils.

    How much vetting can you do when their country of origin is in a civil war and the refugees themselves either have fake documents or none at all?

    You can’t.

    In person interview? Wow, what you have a fellow Muslim talk to Abdul for 15 minutes because Abdul doesn’t speak English.

    Not that the rich mandarians of PBS care. They live in upscale neighborhoods where they don’t have to worry about shootings and bombings let alone rapes at the public pool.

    Of course these are the same dictatorial clowns who have no qualms about disarming the law abiding citizen so as to make the country safe for Blacks and Mexicans to prey on lower class whites.

    The bottom line is that we have no idea how many ISIS sleeper agents are here or how many Muzzies will radicalize as they become serious Muslims and take heed of the Koranic order to became a Jihadi.

    My bet is that the sort of violence we see in Europe will be coming here as well. The Muslims looks at us whites and see nothing but sheep who don’t even have a self-preservation instinct anymore.

  142. @Anonymous Nephew
    Meanwhile in the former Church of the former England,

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/this-is-what-im-meant-to-be-doing-the-vicar-welcoming-muslims-to-church


    "In just three years, the Rev Sally Smith has presided over this total transformation of St Mark’s from a middle-class church to something resembling a refugee processing centre.

    It is far from an isolated case. In fact, Smith’s story is a microcosm of what is happening across churches in Europe where a growing number of Muslim refugees are converting to Christianity.

    Some members of the local congregation have been receptive. But many have left, saying they feel alienated by the hundreds of new-look Christians, uncomfortable with the multicultural flags and incredulous at what they see as people taking advantage of Smith."
     

    This is in Stoke on Trent, formerly solid working-class Labour, whose people voted heavily in favour of Brexit. I wonder how many were her former parishioners?

    Years ago we were visiting London and we were in a china shop (it was one of those times when the exchange rates were favorable to the dollar). My wife, making idle conversation, asked the sales clerk who was waiting on us (one of those Indian gentlemen who is more British than the British) whether it was possible to visit Stoke-on-Trent and buy directly from the factory where our pattern was made. I think he was panicked at the thought that he might lose his sales commission if he said yes, so he blurted out “Oh, no you don’t want to go theah” and went on to describe the place as a sort of hellish, sooty Dickensian slum. To this day I have no idea on how pleasant/unpleasant the real Stoke is but his description of it remains vivid. I suppose it would be like asking a native New Yorker whether visiting Elkhart, Indiana is a good idea.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    For a while Stoke On Trent had the highest number of British National Party councillors of anywhere in the country. I went to a BNP demonstration there myself, in fact. There were quite a few documentaries and newspaper articles trying to explain what was wrong with the place. It really seemed to come down to the fact that it still had quite a solid white, British working class population, (surrounded by many towns that are not) many of whom had been involved in an area with a strong industrial heritage and the kind of jobs that require skilled labour, but that this was changing fast.

    One can only hope that the rise of the far-right in the area has been defeated through the importation of large numbers of Pakistanis and Africans, the flight of the middle class, and the heroin and benefits dependency of the whoever gets left behind.
  143. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Surely, the game plan of the islamists, Isis or whoever is trying to provoke the indigenous French into a counterattack - thus sparking off what can only be described as some sort of messianic war on French territory, which might, just might ignite a cataclysmic global messianic war.

    Or possibly, we have a whole bunch of stupid, vicious, brainless fools just 'lashing out'.

    Either way a backlash must come sooner or later.
    Expect a 'united political class' presidential candidate attempting to stymy Marine Le Pen next year. Possibly, emboldened by brexit, the French electorate might actually forsake the political class candidate and plump for madame Le Pen.

    Or possibly, we have a whole bunch of stupid, vicious, brainless fools just ‘lashing out’.

    Average IQ 85 plus a holy book written when the slaughter, rape and enslavement of enemies was normal.

    Either way a backlash must come sooner or later.

    The backlash will come from the people responsible for the problem – the political and media class – against their citizens.

    They have to be defeated first.

  144. http://www.hillaryis44.org/

    Barack Obama via the State Department GAVE AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY to anti Benyamin Netanyahu groups in the Israeli elections. The direct intervention in the Israeli elections by Barack Obama against Netanyahu was bigger and more nefarious than was reported but Hillary Clinton, Hillary2016, the DNC never said a word. Hypocrites and liars.

    I fully support this. I think American money that goes to tilting Israeli elections to the left, to spawning in Israel the kind of leftist NGOs we see in Ukraine and elsewhere, etc., is money well-spent. We should be making a long-term, full-spectrum campaign to turn Israel to the left. Until and unless diaspora Jews stop doing the same thing to the west.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Many people in diaspora Jewish communities will approve of turning Israel to the left, after all where did J Street start? There are also a lot of Israeli homegrown leftists. However, the Israeli government has little control over diaspora Jewish communities. There is no exilarch who does.
  145. @TheJester
    It's not terrorism until the fat lady sings "Allah Akbar" and declares allegiance to ISIS/ISIL/IS/Daesh on Facebook ... even if the perpetrators were first or second generation Islamic immigrants. It is always a relief to know it's not terrorism but rather just a couple of run-of-the-mill murders by who knows and and we don't know why. France and Germany have been getting a lot of those lately. Must be something in the water supply ... or, perhaps global warming.

    But maybe terrorism will go away if Frau Merkel and Herr Hollande direct proselytizing Islam to all school-age children in France and Germany. (I understand the Germans already have this in mind.) Perhaps the immigrants will then feel more at home and stop taking out their righteous anger on the natives, who do admittedly have an historical predilection toward racism, imperialism, white privilege, and (this is the worst) failure to submit to the will of Allah. Come on! These natives have been resisting the will of Allah (the most Compassionate, the most Merciful) for 1,300 years. What will it take?

    What will it take?

    Converting to Islam won’t save you. Daesh is not deterred by this. Anybody can calculate how many drops of blood they’ve spilled in Europe compared to the pints in Muslim lands; their victims are overwhelmingly Muslim – this is simple math. This is what happened yesterday in non-Europe:
    http://original.antiwar.com/updates/2016/07/25/bombers-strike-east-baghdad-138-killed-iraq/

    Devoting your life to studying Islam will also not save you:

    They are like the Borg – you must join them without condition, anything less is irrelevant.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    The problem isn't "Daesh", it's Islam.
    , @jesse helms think-alike
    Talha thank you for your thoughtful post.

    It's clear that muslims willing to commit violent jihad are only a small percentage of the entire ummah. But the vast majority of muslims appear to be unwilling or afraid to even criticize them much less actively oppose them. Peaceful muslims must understand at some level that their own safety is threatened if not by the jihadis themselves then from a future violent backlash that will affect all muslims categorically.

    Is there a scenario where muslim communities in the west and muslim nations themselves would take it upon themselves to stamp out jihadis? For their own personal safety in the west and for the stability of their nation in their own countries.

    Can this realistically be thought to have a chance to happen apart from instances of dictatorial strongmen like saddam or mubarak?
  146. @Anonymous Nephew
    Kylie - what if the "Left" don't actually care if white Europeans survive as long as they can find somewhere safe for themselves?

    “Kylie – what if the ‘Left’ don’t actually care if white Europeans survive as long as they can find somewhere safe for themselves?”

    Good question. Remember, the Left is importing vermin for the dual purpose of 1) virtue signaling that they are morally superior to non-leftist whites because they embrace the Other and 2) humiliating non-leftist whites by forcing them to endure this infestation in their own homelands. It would be hard to virtue signal from a funk hole. I think the Left will hang in there as long as they can.

    My own experiences with and observations of MENAs has been overwhelmingly negative. They are arrogant and ignorant in equal measure. I’m sure they have every intention of usurping their Leftist hosts. But they have two considerations wrt the white populace. Dhimmitude is best practiced on living infidels and they need white expertise to keep the lights on.

    I think white Europeans’ s two enemies both have good reason to keep whites alive. Then again, the Left and their pet vermin seem almost entirely impervious to reason.

    Interesting times may well be end times.

    • Replies: @anon
    Anyone who says it's just the Left is a fool.
  147. @Felix M
    I have read reports from the BBC, Le Monde, and another French newspaper. None talked about terrorists.

    By the way, I have been wondering for some time how long it would be before some Muslims would attack Catholic Churches in France. Centres of a false religion and essentially defenceless.

    First we hang the Pope, then we rally around the Church.

  148. @Rob McX

    That, of course, ignores all the shit that never gets reported by the government and/or the press...
     
    And there's surely a lot that's not being reported. We know the authorities covered up the torture and mutilation of victims in the Bataclan massacre. I think we can assume they will henceforth conceal any case where there are no casualties or civilian witnesses, e.g. a massive terrorist attack nipped in the bud. Also, we were told the Munich shooter was a lone wolf, but now it's turned out the police have arrested an Afghan on suspicion of being in collusion with him.

    but now it’s turned out the police have arrested an Afghan on suspicion of being in collusion with him.

    I really wouldn’t make too much of this. In Europe it’s not unusual for the police to arrest someone just so they can keep him around for further questioning and to put some pressure on him to talk (their Constitutional protections are not quite the same as ours). If after a few days they don’t get anything useful out of the guy they let him go.

    Or else the guy may have known about the attack in advance and did nothing to stop it (which is bad enough) without actually participating in it. The “accomplice” is 16 years old and may have held his loyalty to his friend above compliance with the law – 16 year olds often show poor judgment in matters such as this.

    Anyway, having a 16 year old “accomplice” does not indicate that this was some kind of ISIS operation. The danger in Europe right now is not that ISIS is carrying out organized plots but that these things are happening spontaneously, which is even worse. If there was some kind of centralized command and control you could take out the center and it would all stop, but if these attacks are springing up on their own, then how do you stop them?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "If these attacks are springing up on their own, then how do you stop them?"

    This. If the violence is due to Islam or some related ideology, such as ISIS, then at least there's the possibility the ideology will reform itself or be defeated. The more ominous possibility - and I'm prepared to say likelihood - is that Arabs are just naturally violent and batshit crazy. Besides removing the possibility of reform, there's another big downside to that: it would make objecting to "Arab" immigration genuinely "racist." It's easier to oppose immigration on ideological grounds than on racial ones.

    So I suppose that we should be grateful to Islam, in a way: it makes it easier to oppose immigration by people from Islamic parts of the world. Think of how much harder it is to oppose immigration by violent people who aren't Muslim (e.g., Haitians).
  149. @Kylie
    "Kylie – what if the 'Left' don’t actually care if white Europeans survive as long as they can find somewhere safe for themselves?"

    Good question. Remember, the Left is importing vermin for the dual purpose of 1) virtue signaling that they are morally superior to non-leftist whites because they embrace the Other and 2) humiliating non-leftist whites by forcing them to endure this infestation in their own homelands. It would be hard to virtue signal from a funk hole. I think the Left will hang in there as long as they can.

    My own experiences with and observations of MENAs has been overwhelmingly negative. They are arrogant and ignorant in equal measure. I'm sure they have every intention of usurping their Leftist hosts. But they have two considerations wrt the white populace. Dhimmitude is best practiced on living infidels and they need white expertise to keep the lights on.

    I think white Europeans' s two enemies both have good reason to keep whites alive. Then again, the Left and their pet vermin seem almost entirely impervious to reason.

    Interesting times may well be end times.

    Anyone who says it’s just the Left is a fool.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Anyone who says it’s just the Left is a fool.
     
    It is just the Left.
  150. A pity that this quaint European tradition has no chance of being revived.

    Churches have gone from being places of sanctuary to being target-rich environments. Progressives everywhere must be so proud.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
    • Replies: @Olorin
    Hm.

    And here I thought things like this were happening precisely BECAUSE Christian churches/religions have been such effective self-styled advocates of "sanctuary."

    Seems to me this simply moved it indoors from the greater area upon which they were so instrumental in forcing it.

    , @International Jew
    At least, what with the low attendance, French churches are not very target-rich environments.

    The French government is dominated by atheists but they'll see to protecting the cathedrals if only because of the tourism.

    Last time I was in France (2013) I remember a good police presence at Notre Dame de Paris. But at Chartres (which is at least as impressive) there was nothing of the sort.
  151. @The Alarmist
    Did they actually call them terrorists, or are these simply two French citizens run amok?

    During my morning perambulations I saw that EU news outlets described them as

    ‘bearded’

    Which I presume was a quote from Europe’s LE’s finest, since the outlets put it in quotes.

    So I guess it must have been those hirsute British soccer hooligan drunks again, committing mayhem while demanding segregated drinking establishments in yelling “all a’ huwhyte bar!”

  152. @Kylie
    A pity that this quaint European tradition has no chance of being revived.

    https://youtu.be/c5zzRcKlxKI

    Churches have gone from being places of sanctuary to being target-rich environments. Progressives everywhere must be so proud.

    Hm.

    And here I thought things like this were happening precisely BECAUSE Christian churches/religions have been such effective self-styled advocates of “sanctuary.”

    Seems to me this simply moved it indoors from the greater area upon which they were so instrumental in forcing it.

  153. Jack D, I promise you, you do not want to set foot in Stoke-on-Trent: all of the ugliness, say, of Manchester or Preston, but with none of their residual charm. I have visited literally hundreds of the cities and towns of England, and can think of none as utterly unredeemed as is poor old Stoke.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    So that Anglo-Indian gentleman was telling us the truth and not just worried about his sale. That's nice to know.
  154. @Kylie
    "This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed."

    No. The Left will make sure enough white Europeans survive to work and pay taxes so the system can support the vermin it imports.

    You’re a fool if you believe that.

  155. @Anonym
    The tactics for Muslims come mostly from the Koran and Hadiths. They are flexible as to the methods, but don't much differentiate between infidel types. As a means to gain territory for its followers, it has its strengths and weaknesses. I am not aware of a similar religion of conquest that has had more success.

    Christians have colonized lands but not so much because of Christianity, more because that's what humans do who have military, technological and/or demographic advantages.

    that’s what humans do who have military, technological and/or demographic advantages.

    I think the term you’re struggling for is “genetic.”

  156. Germany mulls use of army to maintain internal security in the face of migrant attacks ….

    Would this mean that the migrants from MENA and other Islamic countries are coming to be recognized as a threat to German society and security? Could Germany have anticipated this BEFORE deciding to overrule EU rules governing immigration and invite over a million Mohammedans into their midst … the same peoples who tried to take over Europe by force for over a thousand years?

    At times I think there is a relationship between national security/defense policies such as Responsibility to Protect (RtP) and trying to “mother the world” proffered by female personages such as Susan Rice and Angela Merkel. Is the real root cause of all of this mayhem the feminization of Western civilization?

    https://www.rt.com/news/353402-germany-army-migrants-attacks/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

  157. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    "we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces"

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).

    Well, we’ve been invaded by every ethnic and racial group in the world over the last 40 years and virtually all of them are underrepresented in the military, particularly combat arms. They are smart. Only white men are stupid enough to sacrifice life and limb for this system. Doubly stupid because the system they fight for hates their guts and wants nothing more in this world than to see their kind eliminated. The ultimate cucks.

  158. @Hail

    only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That’s about 0.28% of servicemen
     
    Interesting -- Source with full religious identification numbers, please.

    Google it. It was easy enough to find.

    Frankly I’m shocked that it’s even that high. I vaguely recall seeing numbers a decade or so ago, early in the war on terror, that were even worse than that – something like only 1,000 or so, and that before we started reducing the size of the military. My guess is that a fair share of those 5,896 Muslim servicemen signed up in order to speed up the immigration process. Remove immigration incentives from the benefits of military service and I’d guess the share of Muslims in the military would be even lower.

  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    Review of Hamilton is described by B.Kristol as "refreshingly dyspeptic" - I think it's pretty Steveish

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/07/you-should-be-terrified-that-people-who-like-hamilton-run-our-country

    "How did a ten-million-dollar 8th Grade U.S. History skit become “the great work of art of the 21st century” (as the New Yorker’s Adam Gopnik says those in his circle have been calling it)?

    To judge from the reviews, most of the appeal seems to rest with the forced diversity of its cast and the novelty concept of a “hip-hop musical.” Those who write about Hamilton often dwell primarily on its “groundbreaking” use of rap and its “bold” choice to cast an assemblage of black, Asian, and Latino actors as the Founding Fathers. Indeed, Hamilton exists more as a corporate HR department’s wet dream than as a biographical work."
     

    Below is a link to a performance by Lin-Manuel Miranda at the White House in 2009. I think he gives a very engaging and compelling performance. He’s good-looking in this video and kind of sexy. He has good energy and exudes intelligence. I’m not a fan of rap and haven’t seen Hamilton, but I think Miranda is pretty impressive in the video below. Miranda’s singing style reminds me a bit of Jim Carroll’s.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    (Jim Carroll, "People Who Died")


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOjc70f4p8
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "Miranda’s singing style reminds me a bit of Jim Carroll’s."

    You say that like it's a good thing.
  160. @Rob McX

    That, of course, ignores all the shit that never gets reported by the government and/or the press...
     
    And there's surely a lot that's not being reported. We know the authorities covered up the torture and mutilation of victims in the Bataclan massacre. I think we can assume they will henceforth conceal any case where there are no casualties or civilian witnesses, e.g. a massive terrorist attack nipped in the bud. Also, we were told the Munich shooter was a lone wolf, but now it's turned out the police have arrested an Afghan on suspicion of being in collusion with him.

    And everyday rapes, muggings and assaults. Some 70% of French prisoners are Muslims. Who needs any of it.

  161. @Anonymous
    Below is a link to a performance by Lin-Manuel Miranda at the White House in 2009. I think he gives a very engaging and compelling performance. He's good-looking in this video and kind of sexy. He has good energy and exudes intelligence. I'm not a fan of rap and haven't seen Hamilton, but I think Miranda is pretty impressive in the video below. Miranda's singing style reminds me a bit of Jim Carroll's.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGn

    (Jim Carroll, “People Who Died”)

  162. @Jack D

    but now it’s turned out the police have arrested an Afghan on suspicion of being in collusion with him.
     
    I really wouldn't make too much of this. In Europe it's not unusual for the police to arrest someone just so they can keep him around for further questioning and to put some pressure on him to talk (their Constitutional protections are not quite the same as ours). If after a few days they don't get anything useful out of the guy they let him go.

    Or else the guy may have known about the attack in advance and did nothing to stop it (which is bad enough) without actually participating in it. The "accomplice" is 16 years old and may have held his loyalty to his friend above compliance with the law - 16 year olds often show poor judgment in matters such as this.

    Anyway, having a 16 year old "accomplice" does not indicate that this was some kind of ISIS operation. The danger in Europe right now is not that ISIS is carrying out organized plots but that these things are happening spontaneously, which is even worse. If there was some kind of centralized command and control you could take out the center and it would all stop, but if these attacks are springing up on their own, then how do you stop them?

    “If these attacks are springing up on their own, then how do you stop them?”

    This. If the violence is due to Islam or some related ideology, such as ISIS, then at least there’s the possibility the ideology will reform itself or be defeated. The more ominous possibility – and I’m prepared to say likelihood – is that Arabs are just naturally violent and batshit crazy. Besides removing the possibility of reform, there’s another big downside to that: it would make objecting to “Arab” immigration genuinely “racist.” It’s easier to oppose immigration on ideological grounds than on racial ones.

    So I suppose that we should be grateful to Islam, in a way: it makes it easier to oppose immigration by people from Islamic parts of the world. Think of how much harder it is to oppose immigration by violent people who aren’t Muslim (e.g., Haitians).

  163. Marion Le Pen:

    Faced with the menace that weighs upon France, I have decided to join the military reserve.
    I invite all young patriots to do the same.

  164. Look at it this way: other than the priest-beheading, today has been all quiet on the Western front.

    I hear that Piss Prize awardee O-bomb-er’s drones are pretty quiet too.

  165. @yowza

    The level of ignorance about the Crusades it still stratospheric…

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html
     
    Indeed.

    Find below a video "The Crusades for Dummies," and learn your lesson, dummies:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

    Thanks for the link; I’ve sent it around.

  166. @Wilkey
    "we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces"

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).

    That’s about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population

    Heh, there are probably more Muslims than that in the Israeli army! (And without a doubt, if you count Druze as Muslims.)

  167. @Kylie
    A pity that this quaint European tradition has no chance of being revived.

    https://youtu.be/c5zzRcKlxKI

    Churches have gone from being places of sanctuary to being target-rich environments. Progressives everywhere must be so proud.

    At least, what with the low attendance, French churches are not very target-rich environments.

    The French government is dominated by atheists but they’ll see to protecting the cathedrals if only because of the tourism.

    Last time I was in France (2013) I remember a good police presence at Notre Dame de Paris. But at Chartres (which is at least as impressive) there was nothing of the sort.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "At least, what with the low attendance, French churches are not very target-rich environments."

    Point taken.

    "The French government is dominated by atheists but they’ll see to protecting the cathedrals if only because of the tourism."

    Yes, that had occurred to me. I'm surprised the tourist industry there hasn't suffered already.

    "Last time I was in France (2013) I remember a good police presence at Notre Dame de Paris. But at Chartres (which is at least as impressive) there was nothing of the sort."

    I wanted to see Chartres ever since I first read about it in 1970. I should have gone to Europe when it was still recognizably Europe. Now I know I never will. If you go back, be careful and stay safe.
    , @Jack D
    The low attendance part was true. I think there were something like 10 people there for the 9 AM mass, including the 85 year old priest, a couple of elderly nuns (and perhaps counting the 2 attackers). Place like France can largely be considered post-Christian (and possibly pre-Islamic).
  168. @Hail

    Muslim extremists love to bomb and attack the houses of worship
     
    Hitler refused to use chemical weapons in the war. "If we use them, the British will use them against us again; let's avoid the madness of the previous war." (not a direct quote).

    Attacks on churches in the heart of Europe would seem to be inviting attacks on mosques in the same...

    Attacks on churches in the heart of Europe would seem to be inviting attacks on mosques in the same…

    Unfortunately Hitler’s logic only applied because he faced determined resistance. Western Europeans today are more apt to convert their churches into rapefugee crash pads, than they are to harm one hair of a mosque’s armpit.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11473420/German-churches-open-their-doors-to-refugees-under-protection-of-ancient-custom.html

  169. @Bugg
    The happytalk therapeutic deism of Christianity generally and Catholicism specifically under idiot Francis has led to this. Recall Benedict spoke of this conflict, and quickly found himself retired.Matter of time until major cathedrals and churches and even Vatican City are targeted. The effete morons in charge won't grasp the danger until it's too late.Based on my trips to Notre Dame and Sacred Heart such churches are already surrounded by 3rd world vendors, they merely need to step inside.

    Bugg, Please read the book “Pope Patrick” by Peter deRose, a former priest. Fiction, but so dead nut on to today’s world. Easy, Fast read too.

  170. @anon
    sit back and enjoy the decline
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpXwpYAahg

    That’s Laurie Penny a/k/a Penny Red; she has written about her hospitalisation at age 17 for anorexia and subsequent recovery; she believes free speech is scary and bad:

    Guten Morgen, I’m in Berlin today on tour with my book Meat Market, which is significant because it means I’m not at the Editorial Intelligence UK Comment Awards this morning. I’m excited to say that I was nominated and won in the category ‘Twitter Public Personality’. I’m still not sure quite what that means, but it’s going on the virtual shelf alongside GCSE Superboffin 2002 and Sack Race 1998. Thank you to everyone who voted.

    Here’s the little speech that was read out in my absence:

    I’m really sorry I can’t be here in person to accept this award, and I’d like to thank everyone who voted for me, as well as Editorial Intelligence for nominating me. Social media has been an energising and empowering force for the British commentariat, rearranging some of the old hierarchies and allowing young people and those outside the mainstream press to amplify voices that would otherwise go unheard. Unfortunately, over the past two years social media has also become an increasingly hostile place for women writers and journalists, as well as for writers and thinkers of colour and of different faiths. I know of a number of talented women writers who have withdrawn from the arena of public debate in Britain because of the sheer scale and viciousness of sexist bullying that has come to poison the arena of political debate in this country, particularly online. I would like to use this opportunity to call upon all of the editors, journalists and commentators in this room to take an active stand against sexist trolling and hate speech in your publications and on Twitter. Call it out whenever you see it and refuse to host it on your websites, because it demeans and cheapens all of us who feel proud to call ourselves members of the British press. Thank you.

    Tell those mean boys to shut up! Can’t they see the righteous and good are talking.

  171. @Anonymous
    Ironically, Pope Francis is the biggest cheerleader for massive, uncontrolled Muslim immigration into Europe.

    Anonymous, Francis is an Argentinian born Jesuit. I was educated by Jesuits in college, they run on their own tracks. The head of the Jesuit order is referred to as the “Black Pope”, a reference to their robes, not ethnicity.

  172. @Wilkey
    "we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces"

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).

    FY2016 armed forces personnel 1.3 million (1,301,300 = official DOD end-year projection).
    Defense Manpower Data Center figures on religion of personnel (data collected from individuals when they enter the service):
    Jewish, 0.32 percent (percent US population, 2.2 percent);
    Muslim, 0.25 percent (percent US population, 1 percent).
    The only over-represented “major” religious group in the armed forces that I can note at a glance is Baptist, about 10 percent of the total population and 13.88 percent of service members. For comparison, Catholics are about 22 percent of the US population but 20.22 percent of the armed forces.
    Interesting to me is that the Brethren make up 0.04 percent of the armed forces, so they are over-represented by something like 10 times. If you take Uncle Sam’s designation “Brethren” to include all Anabaptists, we’re still over-represented by about four times. Pretty good for a bunch of apolitical pacifists–or pretty bad, depending on your point of view.
    I’m not sure how seriously we should take these numbers, since there are categories like Other Protestant (4.92 percent), Other Christian (19.56 percent), No Religious Preference (19.55 percent) and Data Error (8.87 percent)–I know some people who would gleefully jot down “Data Error” on a form requesting their religious preference.

  173. @International Jew
    At least, what with the low attendance, French churches are not very target-rich environments.

    The French government is dominated by atheists but they'll see to protecting the cathedrals if only because of the tourism.

    Last time I was in France (2013) I remember a good police presence at Notre Dame de Paris. But at Chartres (which is at least as impressive) there was nothing of the sort.

    “At least, what with the low attendance, French churches are not very target-rich environments.”

    Point taken.

    “The French government is dominated by atheists but they’ll see to protecting the cathedrals if only because of the tourism.”

    Yes, that had occurred to me. I’m surprised the tourist industry there hasn’t suffered already.

    “Last time I was in France (2013) I remember a good police presence at Notre Dame de Paris. But at Chartres (which is at least as impressive) there was nothing of the sort.”

    I wanted to see Chartres ever since I first read about it in 1970. I should have gone to Europe when it was still recognizably Europe. Now I know I never will. If you go back, be careful and stay safe.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Honestly, you should go.
    First of all so that you don't let the bastards determine what you do.

    2nd because the actual risk is still small. If you stayed home for a week or two and followed your usual routine, your chances of getting T-boned by some drunk driver are probably higher than the danger from terrorism if you travel around France by train.

    3rd Chartres is located in a semi-rural area around 60 miles outside of Paris. Terrorists usually like to do their thing in bigger cities where there is more press coverage. If the Arabs strike the US again, chances are it will be in NY or another big city and not in some small town in southern NJ 60 miles from NYC (which is why all the homeland security grants for those towns to buy APCs and such were a total waste of $).

    4th because Chartres really is one of the treasures of Western civilization and you owe it to yourself to see it. Even now when you come in from the countryside the Cathedral looms on the horizon like a giant skyscraper (but 1000x more beautiful). 800 years ago when it was built, it must have been impressive as hell - the enormous scale, the glowing stained glass, the rich sculpture - it would have been like Disneyland crossed with a transcendent religious experience. It's double impressive when you understand that it was built at a time when the Roman's systematic knowledge of engineering had largely been lost and so they built this thing by the seat of their pants like a giant game of Jenga - if it collapsed, it meant you had guessed wrong and had to start again.
  174. Just like Clint Eastwood’ s character in
    Unforgiven claimed he was lucky in the order of people he took out in his shootouts, so Donald Trump is amazingly lucky in his adversaries–BLM, cop killers, Hilary, and especially the continued Muslim terrorism. It’s as if they want Trump to win. Or maybe they just can’t stop themselves.

    Just like in the movie though, it is not blind luck at all. Trump has his finger on the pulse of the world, as one would expect from an astute businessman.
    It is a fascinating thing to watch.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    There is something strange about the timing of all these ISIS attacks in particular.

    Why so many, exactly now? Just copycatting? But why didn't they copycat earlier?

    Is there a conspiracy or other theory that covers this, or is it just coincidence?

    One wonders whether it has anything to do with the election season in the US -- maybe wanting to make Obama look bad by making Hillary lose? Just showing their influence?

  175. @The Alarmist
    Did they actually call them terrorists, or are these simply two French citizens run amok?

    St.-Étienne-du-Rouvray, a working-class suburb inhabited by many retired chemical and metal workers, was a peaceful community, residents said, with a substantial immigrant population. The parish priest is of Congolese ancestry; the town’s mosque opened in 2000 on land donated by the Catholic parish.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/world/europe/normandy-france-church-attack.html?_r=0

  176. @Tiny Duck
    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn't happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I'm not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    Looks like ISteve has its very own “Million Dollar Bonus”.

  177. Is there any more the Muslims can do to provoke the comatose native population against them? They’ve already shown how much they hate everything liberals stand for – feminism, homosexual rights, etc. – and the only response they get is “Refugees Welcome”. Let’s see how conservative Catholics respond to the latest outrage.

    Train axeman being welcomed to Germany.

    • Replies: @anon
    A natural reaction is being prevented by a treacherous political and media class who like a virus are suppressing the national immune system - the first step is to remove that virus.
  178. @Kylie
    "At least, what with the low attendance, French churches are not very target-rich environments."

    Point taken.

    "The French government is dominated by atheists but they’ll see to protecting the cathedrals if only because of the tourism."

    Yes, that had occurred to me. I'm surprised the tourist industry there hasn't suffered already.

    "Last time I was in France (2013) I remember a good police presence at Notre Dame de Paris. But at Chartres (which is at least as impressive) there was nothing of the sort."

    I wanted to see Chartres ever since I first read about it in 1970. I should have gone to Europe when it was still recognizably Europe. Now I know I never will. If you go back, be careful and stay safe.

    Honestly, you should go.
    First of all so that you don’t let the bastards determine what you do.

    2nd because the actual risk is still small. If you stayed home for a week or two and followed your usual routine, your chances of getting T-boned by some drunk driver are probably higher than the danger from terrorism if you travel around France by train.

    3rd Chartres is located in a semi-rural area around 60 miles outside of Paris. Terrorists usually like to do their thing in bigger cities where there is more press coverage. If the Arabs strike the US again, chances are it will be in NY or another big city and not in some small town in southern NJ 60 miles from NYC (which is why all the homeland security grants for those towns to buy APCs and such were a total waste of $).

    4th because Chartres really is one of the treasures of Western civilization and you owe it to yourself to see it. Even now when you come in from the countryside the Cathedral looms on the horizon like a giant skyscraper (but 1000x more beautiful). 800 years ago when it was built, it must have been impressive as hell – the enormous scale, the glowing stained glass, the rich sculpture – it would have been like Disneyland crossed with a transcendent religious experience. It’s double impressive when you understand that it was built at a time when the Roman’s systematic knowledge of engineering had largely been lost and so they built this thing by the seat of their pants like a giant game of Jenga – if it collapsed, it meant you had guessed wrong and had to start again.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    What a nice pep talk. Thank you.

    Right now my corrected vision is too poor to let me leave my house safely. I hope to see better in the near future.

    Which, by the way, is a very good argument in favor of seeing whatever sights and wonders of the world you want to see while you can still see them.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Chartres: thumbs up.
  179. @International Jew
    At least, what with the low attendance, French churches are not very target-rich environments.

    The French government is dominated by atheists but they'll see to protecting the cathedrals if only because of the tourism.

    Last time I was in France (2013) I remember a good police presence at Notre Dame de Paris. But at Chartres (which is at least as impressive) there was nothing of the sort.

    The low attendance part was true. I think there were something like 10 people there for the 9 AM mass, including the 85 year old priest, a couple of elderly nuns (and perhaps counting the 2 attackers). Place like France can largely be considered post-Christian (and possibly pre-Islamic).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I agree that Western Europe is basically post-Christian, but even in much more traditional and pious countries only a very small percentage, largely retired widows, attend weekday masses.
  180. Dear ISIS, as a practicing Roman Catholic I simply ask you to let us know when we are “even” for the Crusades. Thank you.

  181. @Anonymous
    It's not Catholicism. Or faithful Catholics. The devil and the demonic has always been targeting the Church, and in the last half-century has been very successful. Read or listen to the late traditionalist priest, Fr. Malachi Martin on this subject. As Pope Paul VI warned over four decades ago, "The smoke of Satan has entered the Church." It has been the truly faithful and traditional Catholics who have seen this coming. From Pat Buchanan to Jean Raspail.

    Malachi Martin was one of the responsibles for the Vatican II, he was financed by a group of NY jews, later he became a “traditionalist” denouncing the Church and Liberation Theology.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "...he was financed by a group of NY jews..."

    Care to elaborate?
  182. A 2011 photo of one of the killers of the priest:
    https://twitter.com/AudreyPatriote/status/758022295445237760

    Globalism has its child soldiers now. The Reds did this during the Russian Civil War and the Jacobins did it during the French Revolution. The neoliberal permanent revolution has contracted the work out to cheap, imported labour, which is typical of them. This is the Red Terror on the instalment plan.

  183. @Jack D
    Years ago we were visiting London and we were in a china shop (it was one of those times when the exchange rates were favorable to the dollar). My wife, making idle conversation, asked the sales clerk who was waiting on us (one of those Indian gentlemen who is more British than the British) whether it was possible to visit Stoke-on-Trent and buy directly from the factory where our pattern was made. I think he was panicked at the thought that he might lose his sales commission if he said yes, so he blurted out "Oh, no you don't want to go theah" and went on to describe the place as a sort of hellish, sooty Dickensian slum. To this day I have no idea on how pleasant/unpleasant the real Stoke is but his description of it remains vivid. I suppose it would be like asking a native New Yorker whether visiting Elkhart, Indiana is a good idea.

    For a while Stoke On Trent had the highest number of British National Party councillors of anywhere in the country. I went to a BNP demonstration there myself, in fact. There were quite a few documentaries and newspaper articles trying to explain what was wrong with the place. It really seemed to come down to the fact that it still had quite a solid white, British working class population, (surrounded by many towns that are not) many of whom had been involved in an area with a strong industrial heritage and the kind of jobs that require skilled labour, but that this was changing fast.

    One can only hope that the rise of the far-right in the area has been defeated through the importation of large numbers of Pakistanis and Africans, the flight of the middle class, and the heroin and benefits dependency of the whoever gets left behind.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Just out of curiosity I looked up the pottery that made our china pattern in Stoke. The factory was closed in 2014 and the remaining production moved to ..... wait for it... China. (After 250 years, full circle - bone china was invented as local British imitation of Chinese porcelain). However (ironically) the factory store (yes there was one after all) remains open.

    Apparently one of their last remaining major markets was the nouveau riche of Russia and when oil prices crashed that finished them. Most young people in the West want the kind of "china" that you can put in the microwave and dishwasher and not the delicate translucent stuff with gold decoration.
  184. After every jihad slaughter in France, over their Facebook posts Left-lib-prog Facebook virtue-signallers superimposed the French flag.

    Following the spate of jihad attacks in Germany, over their Facebook posts how many virtue-signalling Facebook posts have superimposed Germany’s flag?

    [. . . crickets . . .]

    2016 French: Good! (The Reign of Terror & Vichy – nothing to see there.)

    2016 Germans: Nazis!

  185. But, hey, it’s the New Normal

    …or the New Norman.

  186. @Jack D
    Honestly, you should go.
    First of all so that you don't let the bastards determine what you do.

    2nd because the actual risk is still small. If you stayed home for a week or two and followed your usual routine, your chances of getting T-boned by some drunk driver are probably higher than the danger from terrorism if you travel around France by train.

    3rd Chartres is located in a semi-rural area around 60 miles outside of Paris. Terrorists usually like to do their thing in bigger cities where there is more press coverage. If the Arabs strike the US again, chances are it will be in NY or another big city and not in some small town in southern NJ 60 miles from NYC (which is why all the homeland security grants for those towns to buy APCs and such were a total waste of $).

    4th because Chartres really is one of the treasures of Western civilization and you owe it to yourself to see it. Even now when you come in from the countryside the Cathedral looms on the horizon like a giant skyscraper (but 1000x more beautiful). 800 years ago when it was built, it must have been impressive as hell - the enormous scale, the glowing stained glass, the rich sculpture - it would have been like Disneyland crossed with a transcendent religious experience. It's double impressive when you understand that it was built at a time when the Roman's systematic knowledge of engineering had largely been lost and so they built this thing by the seat of their pants like a giant game of Jenga - if it collapsed, it meant you had guessed wrong and had to start again.

    What a nice pep talk. Thank you.

    Right now my corrected vision is too poor to let me leave my house safely. I hope to see better in the near future.

    Which, by the way, is a very good argument in favor of seeing whatever sights and wonders of the world you want to see while you can still see them.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    So sorry to hear about your vision issues. I hope that you will be able to see better soon.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    To repeat what Jack said, I hope your vision improves!

    I appreciate your voice in these forums.

    BTW, regarding your stated regret upthread:

    I should have gone to Europe when it was still recognizably Europe. Now I know I never will. If you go back, be careful and stay safe.
     
    Here’s my old comment (#58) about PBS stalwart Rick Steves.
  187. @Jack D
    The low attendance part was true. I think there were something like 10 people there for the 9 AM mass, including the 85 year old priest, a couple of elderly nuns (and perhaps counting the 2 attackers). Place like France can largely be considered post-Christian (and possibly pre-Islamic).

    I agree that Western Europe is basically post-Christian, but even in much more traditional and pious countries only a very small percentage, largely retired widows, attend weekday masses.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    In the mid 60s in the US, post Vatican 2 but just barely, when the Church was still packed on Sunday, weekday Mass attendance was dismal (Priest and altar boys accounted for about 25%.) except when us parochial schoolkids were ordered to attend the 8AM Mass. (Which we were only sporadically.)
  188. @Anonymous
    It is depressingly routine for this Catholic to see Catholic victims being blamed for their own slaughter.

    Blame the "retrograde" ideas of the priest or blame the Nazi's because Crusades...

    The level of ignorance about the Crusades it still stratospheric...


    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html

    It is depressingly routine for this Catholic to see Catholic victims being blamed for their own slaughter.

    Maybe for ‘this’ Catholic, but the vast majority of ‘Catholic’ France is enthusiastically pleased to vote for more and more of it. Le Pen is polling 30% behind terrorist facilitator Sarko in runoff polling.

    You’re in the minority and the majority simply doesn’t agree with you.

  189. On May 19, 1940, Churchill spoke these words:

    Today is Trinity Sunday. Centuries ago words were written to be a call and a spur to the faithful servants of Truth and Justice: “Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour, and be in readiness for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar. As the Will of God is in Heaven, even so let it be.”

    It is better to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our altar. That was then. And now? Now, it is better to look upon the outrage of your nation and your altar than to dare draw any distinction between you and your enemies.

  190. @Intelligent Dasein
    This is squarely on the shoulders of heretical Antipope Francis, who has been cheerleading the Muslim invasion of Europe from the beginning.

    The error in prudential judgment about Mahometanism began long before Franciscus and it realised its relativised triumph in Nostra Aetate when it was claimed in that document the Mahometans worship the same God as we Christian Catholics.

    They don’t and the footnote to that claim was a letter (diplomatic in nature; i.e. flattering but certainly not doctrinal) written by Pope Gregory Vll to the King of Mauritania a long time ago in soliciting the release of a prisoners and agreeing to ordain a priest, Servandus.

    This irenic ecumenism is the Universal Solvent of Tradition and the descendants of the Eldest Daughter of the Church (France) are paying dearly for this cavalier one-sided faux reconciliation with our ancient and permanent enemy, Mahometanism.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Regardless of what the Church says, Islam regards Allah as being the same God as worshipped by the Christians and the Jews. This is why these religions are (supposed to be) tolerated somewhat by Muslims whereas other religions are considered to be idolatrous and not to be tolerated at all in conquered territories.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    "Allah" is just the Arabic name for God. Mohammed-- who couldn't read-- stole that along with everything else.

    His claim was that God-- the only God there is or was-- told his people to kill us.

    Islam isn't paganism, it's heresy. That's far worse. By arguing the former, you're letting its founder off the hook.
    , @cwhatfuture
    Muslims took the concept of the Creator of the Universe, and made that Creator into a character who demands human sacrifice. The suicide bomber, you will note, goes right to heaven and right to 72 virgin women. And in return for that blood, that god will give the Muslims success here on earth too. Christians don't worship that god, and neither do Jews. I believe the Aztecs did, however, under a different name.
  191. @Kylie
    What a nice pep talk. Thank you.

    Right now my corrected vision is too poor to let me leave my house safely. I hope to see better in the near future.

    Which, by the way, is a very good argument in favor of seeing whatever sights and wonders of the world you want to see while you can still see them.

    So sorry to hear about your vision issues. I hope that you will be able to see better soon.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Thank you so much.
  192. @dearieme
    Instead Mr Hollande will fruitlessly bomb a bit of desert somewhere.

    Instead Mr Hollande will fruitlessly bomb a bit of desert somewhere.

    No doubt. Of course, I’m in no position to cast stones, seeing as GHW Bush decided that he would rather invade Iraq than secure the borders of the USA…..

  193. @Anonymous
    AH was an aristocrat.

    And, like too many aristocrats, incapable of a normal sex life.

  194. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    The error in prudential judgment about Mahometanism began long before Franciscus and it realised its relativised triumph in Nostra Aetate when it was claimed in that document the Mahometans worship the same God as we Christian Catholics.

    They don't and the footnote to that claim was a letter (diplomatic in nature; i.e. flattering but certainly not doctrinal) written by Pope Gregory Vll to the King of Mauritania a long time ago in soliciting the release of a prisoners and agreeing to ordain a priest, Servandus.

    This irenic ecumenism is the Universal Solvent of Tradition and the descendants of the Eldest Daughter of the Church (France) are paying dearly for this cavalier one-sided faux reconciliation with our ancient and permanent enemy, Mahometanism.

    Regardless of what the Church says, Islam regards Allah as being the same God as worshipped by the Christians and the Jews. This is why these religions are (supposed to be) tolerated somewhat by Muslims whereas other religions are considered to be idolatrous and not to be tolerated at all in conquered territories.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey JackD,

    With respect, there seems to be a difference on this all the way from the time of John of Damascus who saw the Muslims as a heresy (an Ishmaelite one at that). Even today, very intelligent Catholics aver to that opinion:
    http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2015/12/christians-muslims-and-reference-of-god.html

    whereas other religions are considered to be idolatrous and not to be tolerated at all in conquered territories
     
    Not quite...the difference of opinion here is that the Shafi’i school only extends allowance to Christian and Jews (People of the Book) while the Maliki and Hanafi schools extend it to every other faith (and even atheists/materialists). Since the Ummayads (who applied Maliki law) and the Abbasids and Ottomans (both Hanafi) – and even if you want to include some of the semi-autonomous sultanates in West Africa (Maliki) or Mughals (Hanafi) – have been the successive inheritors of the caliphate, the ruling has been applied to all types of non-Muslims in practice historically with few exceptions.

    The source for the above is Imam Abul-Hasan Mawardi (ra) in his compendium Ahkam us-Sultaniyyah (Jurisprudence of Governance) which, though written from the standpoint of the Shafi’i school nevertheless dutifully conveys any difference of opinion on a given matter by the other Sunni Orthodox schools.

    Peace.
    , @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    ...Islam regards Allah as being the same God as worshipped by the Christians and the Jews...

    Mahometans deny they worship the same God as do we Christian Catholics

    http://www.ahlesunnat.biz/main/holyquran109.htm
  195. @anon
    I wonder if this is what the Pope envisioned when he said we should build bridges and not walls.

    I wonder if this is what the Pope envisioned when he said we should build bridges and not walls.

    One hopes that leftie loons like the Pope will wake up and realize that the attempt to make decent, modern citizens out of limitless masses of Islamic primitives is a ‘bridge too far.’ More likely, though, lefties will keep building bridges to nowhere.

    Far sounder to build fences than bridges. Good fences make good neighbors; but when bridges collapse, people perish.

  196. @al gore rhythms
    For a while Stoke On Trent had the highest number of British National Party councillors of anywhere in the country. I went to a BNP demonstration there myself, in fact. There were quite a few documentaries and newspaper articles trying to explain what was wrong with the place. It really seemed to come down to the fact that it still had quite a solid white, British working class population, (surrounded by many towns that are not) many of whom had been involved in an area with a strong industrial heritage and the kind of jobs that require skilled labour, but that this was changing fast.

    One can only hope that the rise of the far-right in the area has been defeated through the importation of large numbers of Pakistanis and Africans, the flight of the middle class, and the heroin and benefits dependency of the whoever gets left behind.

    Just out of curiosity I looked up the pottery that made our china pattern in Stoke. The factory was closed in 2014 and the remaining production moved to ….. wait for it… China. (After 250 years, full circle – bone china was invented as local British imitation of Chinese porcelain). However (ironically) the factory store (yes there was one after all) remains open.

    Apparently one of their last remaining major markets was the nouveau riche of Russia and when oil prices crashed that finished them. Most young people in the West want the kind of “china” that you can put in the microwave and dishwasher and not the delicate translucent stuff with gold decoration.

  197. @Jack D
    So sorry to hear about your vision issues. I hope that you will be able to see better soon.

    Thank you so much.

  198. @Old Palo Altan
    Jack D, I promise you, you do not want to set foot in Stoke-on-Trent: all of the ugliness, say, of Manchester or Preston, but with none of their residual charm. I have visited literally hundreds of the cities and towns of England, and can think of none as utterly unredeemed as is poor old Stoke.

    So that Anglo-Indian gentleman was telling us the truth and not just worried about his sale. That’s nice to know.

  199. @Chiron
    Malachi Martin was one of the responsibles for the Vatican II, he was financed by a group of NY jews, later he became a "traditionalist" denouncing the Church and Liberation Theology.

    “…he was financed by a group of NY jews…”

    Care to elaborate?

    • Replies: @Chiron
    Martin started hanging out with two officials of the New York-based American Jewish Committee and flashing $100 bills. The Jews were particularly concerned that the 1962 Second Vatican Council pass "the Jewish Schema" which absolved Jews of blame for Christ's Crucifixion and by implication accept guilt for 2000 years of anti-Semitism. - See more at: http://www.henrymakow.com/malachi_martin_1.html#sthash.7J4SAVc8.dpuf
  200. @jack ryan
    Slaughtering Catholic priests, Catholic monks, nuns is something the worst Islamists have always done and will always do.

    Here's a book about the Catholic monks who went back to a famous, historical Catholic monastery in Algeria. Algeria was part of the nation of France, not a colony for ~ 130 years.

    "The Last Monk of Tibhirine: A True Story of Martyrdom, Faith, and Survival Kindle Edition
    by Freddy Derwahl (Author)

    The Last Monk of Tibhirine is the story of the Cistercian monk Jean-Pierre Schumacher, the last surviving member of a monastic community kidnapped and killed in Algeria. On the night of March 26, 1996, seven monks from the monastery Notre-Dame de l'Atlas of Tibhirine were kidnapped. Only two members of the community, Brother Jean-Pierre and Brother Amedee (since deceased) had the chance to escape. They did; and today Brother Jean-Pierre lives alone devoted to prayer and unconditional love and welcome. Author Freddy Derwahl was struck by the faith of Jean-Pierre and the book recounts his childhood in Lorraine through years of World War and recalls lost friends and brothers. Derwahl enlightens and illuminates the words of Jean-Pierre, and the profound witness of his brother monks.

    Here’s a movie related to these last monks in Algeria:

    I haven’t seen it, but it got good reviews.

  201. @pepperinmono
    Just like Clint Eastwood' s character in
    Unforgiven claimed he was lucky in the order of people he took out in his shootouts, so Donald Trump is amazingly lucky in his adversaries--BLM, cop killers, Hilary, and especially the continued Muslim terrorism. It's as if they want Trump to win. Or maybe they just can't stop themselves.

    Just like in the movie though, it is not blind luck at all. Trump has his finger on the pulse of the world, as one would expect from an astute businessman.
    It is a fascinating thing to watch.

    There is something strange about the timing of all these ISIS attacks in particular.

    Why so many, exactly now? Just copycatting? But why didn’t they copycat earlier?

    Is there a conspiracy or other theory that covers this, or is it just coincidence?

    One wonders whether it has anything to do with the election season in the US — maybe wanting to make Obama look bad by making Hillary lose? Just showing their influence?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Is there a conspiracy or other theory that covers this, or is it just coincidence?
     
    Surahs 9 and 46.
    , @candid_observer
    Just to further the thought, I think it was true that the Iranians who captured the US Embassy hostages wanted to make Carter look bad, and effectively got Reagan elected. It seems completely absurd in a way, since Carter was much more of a pushover than Reagan would be, but I don't think that these people make a lot of intelligent distinctions when it comes to our politics. Carter was their original representative for the Satanic power of the US, and so they wished to humiliate him.
  202. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    The error in prudential judgment about Mahometanism began long before Franciscus and it realised its relativised triumph in Nostra Aetate when it was claimed in that document the Mahometans worship the same God as we Christian Catholics.

    They don't and the footnote to that claim was a letter (diplomatic in nature; i.e. flattering but certainly not doctrinal) written by Pope Gregory Vll to the King of Mauritania a long time ago in soliciting the release of a prisoners and agreeing to ordain a priest, Servandus.

    This irenic ecumenism is the Universal Solvent of Tradition and the descendants of the Eldest Daughter of the Church (France) are paying dearly for this cavalier one-sided faux reconciliation with our ancient and permanent enemy, Mahometanism.

    “Allah” is just the Arabic name for God. Mohammed– who couldn’t read– stole that along with everything else.

    His claim was that God– the only God there is or was– told his people to kill us.

    Islam isn’t paganism, it’s heresy. That’s far worse. By arguing the former, you’re letting its founder off the hook.

  203. @candid_observer
    There is something strange about the timing of all these ISIS attacks in particular.

    Why so many, exactly now? Just copycatting? But why didn't they copycat earlier?

    Is there a conspiracy or other theory that covers this, or is it just coincidence?

    One wonders whether it has anything to do with the election season in the US -- maybe wanting to make Obama look bad by making Hillary lose? Just showing their influence?

    Is there a conspiracy or other theory that covers this, or is it just coincidence?

    Surahs 9 and 46.

  204. @Anonymous
    I agree that Western Europe is basically post-Christian, but even in much more traditional and pious countries only a very small percentage, largely retired widows, attend weekday masses.

    In the mid 60s in the US, post Vatican 2 but just barely, when the Church was still packed on Sunday, weekday Mass attendance was dismal (Priest and altar boys accounted for about 25%.) except when us parochial schoolkids were ordered to attend the 8AM Mass. (Which we were only sporadically.)

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    First Fridays were mandatory at my schools.
  205. @Wilkey
    June 12: Orlando – 49 dead, 53 injured
    July 14: Nice – 84 dead, 308 injured
    July 18: Wurzburg – 5 injured
    July 19: Laragne-Montéglin - 4 injured (including 3 children)
    July 22: Munich – 9 dead, 35 injured
    July 24: Reutlingen – 2 dead (incl. unborn child), 2 injured
    July 24: Ansbach – 12 injured
    July 25: Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray - 1 dead, 1 injured

    This marks the seventh Islamist attack in Europe in less than two weeks. That, of course, ignores all the shit that never gets reported by the government and/or the press: rapes, assaults, sexual assaults, verbal and physical threats, and other assorted crimes.

    The "good" news is that the number of surviving victims is climbing rapidly - over 300 from the Nice attack alone. While I'm sure more than a few of them will go full Stockholm Syndrome, many of them will turn into witnesses against the Muslim Invasion.

    We probably don’t hear even 20% of the discontent that’s running through Europeans’ heads and being quietly expressed in bars and social clubs between friends. The media don’t like that sort of talk getting too much coverage, lest it disrupt a fragile narrative. Here’s a scary fact to recall: Anders Breivik may have been planning his attack for up to nine years, during which he apparently expressed his murderous intentions to not a single soul. The anti-Islamic activists in Europe we actually see are likely just the tip of a very large and increasingly dangerous iceberg.

    When Europe looks back at the early 21st century in the rear-view mirror, the conservative nationalist “extremists” who wanted to halt Muslim immigration will be remembered as the real sober-minded humanitarians, whose prescriptions could have prevented the savage blood-baths and ethnic cleansing that sent Europe’s Muslims scrambling for leaky south-bound boats across the Mediterranean. It’s easy to mock contemporary Europeans for being pathetic weenies, but living memory alone preserves a pretty terrifying list of angry mobs, attempted coups, and bloodthirsty paramilitary groups.

  206. @Wilkey
    "we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces"

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).

    Of course, it is nonsense but the Stepford Candidate will say exactly those things, maybe in exactly that order. If a muslim “refugee” was slitting a liberal’s throat, the last thoughts going through his mind will be “there are muslim veterinarians”.

  207. @candid_observer
    There is something strange about the timing of all these ISIS attacks in particular.

    Why so many, exactly now? Just copycatting? But why didn't they copycat earlier?

    Is there a conspiracy or other theory that covers this, or is it just coincidence?

    One wonders whether it has anything to do with the election season in the US -- maybe wanting to make Obama look bad by making Hillary lose? Just showing their influence?

    Just to further the thought, I think it was true that the Iranians who captured the US Embassy hostages wanted to make Carter look bad, and effectively got Reagan elected. It seems completely absurd in a way, since Carter was much more of a pushover than Reagan would be, but I don’t think that these people make a lot of intelligent distinctions when it comes to our politics. Carter was their original representative for the Satanic power of the US, and so they wished to humiliate him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The environuts that got James Watt canned for some anodyne Christian remarks saw him replaced with someone far worse by their own standards. Be careful who you wish for.

    Of course, this was 1980. Maybe the Iranians were a few months behind in the polls. Also, the government was deferring to the students, like the latter were pulling the strings.
  208. The new normal deserves a new verb: to achbar – to cause mayhem in the name of jihad.

    Eg, “A Catholic priest and two nuns were achbarred in St. Etienne today.”

  209. @Thea
    The Corsicans burned a Mosque last year and it received surprisingly littl coverage.

    It happened around the same time Corsican nationalists won the regional elections, and the FN did quite well elsewhere, so perhaps the mosque burning was lost in the hubbub and became too complicated to bother explaining. The Corsican nationalist layer on top of the story meant it lacked that special something that narratives “with legs” require.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    I'd be wary of Corsicans, considering what one of them did in the past. Same with Georgians.
  210. @anon

    The Left will make sure enough white Europeans survive to work and pay taxes so the system can support the vermin it imports.
     
    The Left won't decide - they are already in the process of being replaced by the people they imported.

    “The Left won’t decide – they are already in the process of being replaced by the people they imported.”

    That in itself is a decision. A malignantly passive one but about what we could expect.

  211. @Harold
    Never send to know for whom we je suis; we je suis for thee.

    Never send to know for whom we je suis; we je suis for thee.

    Ah yes, the memorable closing line of the famous poem ‘For Whom The Ayatollah Bellows.’

    • LOL: Harold
  212. Late to the thread, but here’s the lyrically-pertinent, kick-ass cri de cœur

    “Just Another Day” by Oingo Boingo:

    I had a dream last night,
    The world was set on fire.
    And everywhere I ran,
    There wasn’t any water…
    The temperature increased,
    The sky was crimson red,
    The clouds turned into smoke,
    And everyone was dead.

    But there’s a smile on my face,
    For everyone…

    There’s a golden coin,
    That reflects the sun…
    There’s a lonely place,
    That’s always cold…
    There’s a place in the stars,
    For when you get old.

    Just another, just another, just another day…
    Just another, just another, just another day

  213. @Cagey Beast
    It happened around the same time Corsican nationalists won the regional elections, and the FN did quite well elsewhere, so perhaps the mosque burning was lost in the hubbub and became too complicated to bother explaining. The Corsican nationalist layer on top of the story meant it lacked that special something that narratives "with legs" require.

    I’d be wary of Corsicans, considering what one of them did in the past. Same with Georgians.

  214. @Anonymous
    It's not Catholicism. Or faithful Catholics. The devil and the demonic has always been targeting the Church, and in the last half-century has been very successful. Read or listen to the late traditionalist priest, Fr. Malachi Martin on this subject. As Pope Paul VI warned over four decades ago, "The smoke of Satan has entered the Church." It has been the truly faithful and traditional Catholics who have seen this coming. From Pat Buchanan to Jean Raspail.

    Paul VI was the Antipope responsible for giving us the heretical Novus Ordo Missae. He is one of the spiritual grandfathers of His Phoniness Pope Francis and is equally to blame.

  215. @candid_observer
    Just to further the thought, I think it was true that the Iranians who captured the US Embassy hostages wanted to make Carter look bad, and effectively got Reagan elected. It seems completely absurd in a way, since Carter was much more of a pushover than Reagan would be, but I don't think that these people make a lot of intelligent distinctions when it comes to our politics. Carter was their original representative for the Satanic power of the US, and so they wished to humiliate him.

    The environuts that got James Watt canned for some anodyne Christian remarks saw him replaced with someone far worse by their own standards. Be careful who you wish for.

    Of course, this was 1980. Maybe the Iranians were a few months behind in the polls. Also, the government was deferring to the students, like the latter were pulling the strings.

  216. @Wilkey
    "we have Muslim lawyers, doctors, soldiers serving in our armed forces"

    Per capita Muslims serve in the U.S. military at a rate far lower than average. The Pentagon reports that of 2.14 million men and women on active duty only 5,896 report belonging to the Islamic faith. That's about 0.28% of servicemen, versus at least 1% of the total population (and an even larger share of the military age population).

    Thank God. Nobody should be permitted in our military who is Muslim in the first place.

    More broadly, nobody should be admitted to 0ur military unless he can prove that all four of his grandparents were born in the USA to people who were here legally. That would disqualify the majority of the Muslims (and a majority of Mexicans, for that matter, so sad).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Back in the old draft days when they were in need of cannon fodder, the US Army was not that picky. They not only accept immigrants but they REQUIRED that they serve. If you were a draft age immigrant they would take you right from the boat to boot camp.
  217. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    The error in prudential judgment about Mahometanism began long before Franciscus and it realised its relativised triumph in Nostra Aetate when it was claimed in that document the Mahometans worship the same God as we Christian Catholics.

    They don't and the footnote to that claim was a letter (diplomatic in nature; i.e. flattering but certainly not doctrinal) written by Pope Gregory Vll to the King of Mauritania a long time ago in soliciting the release of a prisoners and agreeing to ordain a priest, Servandus.

    This irenic ecumenism is the Universal Solvent of Tradition and the descendants of the Eldest Daughter of the Church (France) are paying dearly for this cavalier one-sided faux reconciliation with our ancient and permanent enemy, Mahometanism.

    Muslims took the concept of the Creator of the Universe, and made that Creator into a character who demands human sacrifice. The suicide bomber, you will note, goes right to heaven and right to 72 virgin women. And in return for that blood, that god will give the Muslims success here on earth too. Christians don’t worship that god, and neither do Jews. I believe the Aztecs did, however, under a different name.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+22&version=NIV
  218. This happened a few days ago as French police cleared out a migrant encampment in Paris. It is supposed to be shocking but I’m unshaken.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4lxwya_french-police-clash-with-refugee_news

  219. More from Marion Marechel Le Pen

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen 4h4 hours ago
    “La radicalité islamiste provient d’un ressentiment et d’un mépris de la France, sous forme de haine de soi, alimentés par nos élites.”

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen 4h4 hours ago
    “Le combat des islamistes n’est pas que spirituel, il est identitaire” #iTele #SaintEtienneDuRouvray

  220. e says:
    @Harold
    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential. And yet we look around the world and we see great inequality. Some people live in squalor and suffering while we live well. Some people are so tormented inside that they turn to violent acts. Why? Not because of anything inherent to them; ‘there but for the grace of God…’. It is because of the situation they have been put in by those who, by historical accident, have had the power to make the world conform to their wishes. And these same people now wish to protect this unearned advantage and privilege of theirs, instead of moving towards a world we know is possible, a world in which everyone lives like whites. They blame the victims of circumstance and further alienate them from society. How can you live with yourself seeing the unnecesary inequality in the world and not doing anything about it, in fact, exacerbating it? This is what is sick. How can you not feel guilty for living well because of the sins of your ancestors? Yes, there may be suffering and friction in moving to this better world of universal flourishing, but in the scheme of things it is not so great—how many deaths are caused by terrorism?—and any moral person would consider it a sacrifice worth making.

    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential.

    Statement one: total babble
    Statement two: total babble

    Do you think a Doberman and a lab are the “same” in temperament? Do you think a Border Collie and a bulldog are the same and “of equal potential” in smarts?

    Ach.

    As for the awful circumstances that people are born into or must live in? Do you think all people came out of America’s Great Depression “the same” even if their living circumstances were “the same”?

    You can start with twin studies. Begin with identical twins separated at birth who go to families of very different economic and social circumstances. Google around, man.

  221. @Kylie
    What a nice pep talk. Thank you.

    Right now my corrected vision is too poor to let me leave my house safely. I hope to see better in the near future.

    Which, by the way, is a very good argument in favor of seeing whatever sights and wonders of the world you want to see while you can still see them.

    To repeat what Jack said, I hope your vision improves!

    I appreciate your voice in these forums.

    BTW, regarding your stated regret upthread:

    I should have gone to Europe when it was still recognizably Europe. Now I know I never will. If you go back, be careful and stay safe.

    Here’s my old comment (#58) about PBS stalwart Rick Steves.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    You are very kind. Thank you so much!

    I bookmarked Rick Steve's website. I'm always up for some armchair traveling.

  222. @whorefinder
    This is just sick. The Left is really giving up on protecting its citizens and its nations at all and trying to get them all killed.

    The left?

    Good gravy, wf, the town’s mosque stands on Catholic Church-donated land. Surely that good old ancient Christian institution had SOMETHING to do with this.

    I’m finding it interesting that the photo of Jacques Hamel I’ve seen most often…

    …appears to be cropped out of this one:

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    The Left has infected the Catholic Church now for a good 50+ years. Vatican II embraced quasi-liberation theology ---which is just socialism with a veneer of Christianity. They also cut down on a lot of evangelism and Feenyism, which led to hand holding hippie crap with other religious leaders, and eventually blasphemous nonsense like "joint catholic-muslim worship services."

    Then the gays deliberately infiltrated the seminaries in the 1970s and not only used their positions to steal money and have sex with confused teen boys (not pedophilia, mind you--80% of the cases are with sexually mature teenagers---but still an abuse of power and a sexual disorder), but the gays also ruthlessly worked to exclude any Traditionalists form joining up, and only allowed the weak-willed straights who would never oppose them to stop. Pope Francis himself, a liberation theologian, has spoken about how there is a large gay political contingent within the Church that is powerful.

    And the Church meanwhile embraced pop psychology, most of which is unproven hokum and bunk, which made a lot of confused nuns and priests leave under the guise of "personal fulfillment."

    In short, the Catholic Church has a Leftism problem within it these days, just like the rest of Western society. But make no mistake, it's the Left under the guise of the Church who made that mosque land donation.
  223. @AndyBoy
    Never forget it was White Liberals who made this happen. The SWPLs. The groovy kids in Silicon Valley.

    There is no reason that the Catholic Church of Europe should have welcomed those hostile to its own people. Deliberately. And agitated politically, like the mainstream Protestants and Jews, to conduct their great universalist experiment in uniting Abrahamic religions on the soil of Europe, Europeans be damned.

    Then again, that church has had no problem replacing priests like Jacques Hamel with today’s main parish priest.

    Seen here side by side.

    Sorry to repeat, but this is NOT a left-right issue. This is a lightning strike drawn to the ethnomasochistic core of universalism. We of genuine European roots–back 40,000 years–are not the same as all other people. And neither are they.

  224. @Romanian
    What would Dominique Venner say to this?

    Dominique Venner

    Thanks for the name — I am not so familiar with his work, and had forgotten about him.

    Readers who appreciate Mr Sailer’s blog and would like to follow events in France more specifically can try GalliaWatch.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    That looks like a good site. It's hard to find stuff on France in English that's neither mainstream rubbish or some quirky, crankish, neo-post-reactionary, alternate universe Right, purity spiral about how France has been going downhill since Vercingetorix.
    , @Romanian
    I've only read his last book, The Shock of History, since it was translated into English. But he deserves a wider audience, especially in the US, since he's written a lot about guns and even about Gettysburg as well. His books on WW2 might also deserve consideration, even though I feel the markets are saturated and overloaded. It's too bad the way he chose to go out did not have the bracing impact on French society he hoped it would.
  225. @Wilkey
    "Look at it this way: other than the priest-beheading, it’s been all quiet on the Western front."

    Seriously. Almost a full 24 hours had passed since the last terror attack. I was beginning to worry the Mohammedans had given up.

    The web site www dot The Religion of Peace dot com tracks attacks reported in various newsmedia.

    They are in the tens of thousands. Doubtless there are countless more.

  226. @iSteveFan
    But in this case it was a specific attack on Christianity, hence the location of the attack was in a Church and the beheaded victim was a member of the clergy. So the hashtag campaign or whatever memorial or show-of-support movement should specifically acknowledge the Christian nature of the targeted victims.

    Recall after the Paris shootings in 2015, the French Prime Minister said that if Jews were driven away from France because of those attacks, France would be judged a failure. Will he say something specific about Catholics or Christians being a vital part of France? Will he single out Catholics or Christians for special sympathy?

    Um, Catholics are like 80% or more of France’s population. Why would they need “special” sympathy, and why would there be a fear of them leaving the country?

    This is the “White history month” school of looking at everything context-free.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    At what point does the majority become an embattled minority and isn't it too late by then? Or is this like affirmative action, of which Christopher Caldwell said, " One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which affirmative action can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too weak to a world in which it can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too strong.” Once Catholics are no longer a majority in France, how well can they expect to be treated by their new Muslim overlords? See the post above about what happened to the last Catholic priests of Algeria.
  227. @yaqub the mad scientist
    I'm not concerned what the intent of moving the terror to the church was. The effect is the breaching of a central boundary, one that means a lot more to the Muslim than it does to the Westerner. A lack of meaningful response will be devastating, though many Westerners won't see this. It says that their supposedly core institution is no longer worth defending- a kind of decadence that is easily as notable to Muslims as pornography, bikinis, or alcohol. It truly signals that the West is a hollow shell spiritually and a paper tiger. This is much worse than the killer truck.

    Perhaps the attacker thought the way you suggest.

    But if anything this is a moment where the “core institution worth defending” is not the totally moribund Roman church that over 1500 years came from the South as the second of three waves of Abrahamic incursion…

    …but is, or will be, revealed to be the entirely alive, chthonic, and organic European genome.

    Europeans must mind the gap and hop onto that train.

    Consider that abandonment of Christianity derives not from horrible secularism or downfall…but from awakening to the fact that the Abrahamic religions’ place in Europe was always problematic…and psychologically divisive. (Witness the massive and ongoing white-on-white civil wars of the past thousand Abrahamic years.)

    Till Watson and Crick, we didn’t have a good way to put it. The eugenicists and others tried, but got bogged down.

    Now we know better. Now we can do better. I am constantly irritated by how people assert that Christianity produced high civilization in Europe. Funny how it never managed to do that, say, anywhere with African native populations in Africa, eh? Nor Judaism either.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I am constantly irritated by how people assert that Christianity produced high civilization in Europe. Funny how it never managed to do that, say, anywhere with African native populations in Africa, eh? Nor Judaism either.
     
    On a relative basis, one could argue Ethiopia's culture has benefited from Christianity.
  228. @Talha

    What will it take?
     
    Converting to Islam won't save you. Daesh is not deterred by this. Anybody can calculate how many drops of blood they've spilled in Europe compared to the pints in Muslim lands; their victims are overwhelmingly Muslim - this is simple math. This is what happened yesterday in non-Europe:
    http://original.antiwar.com/updates/2016/07/25/bombers-strike-east-baghdad-138-killed-iraq/

    Devoting your life to studying Islam will also not save you:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvNupoSw_u8

    They are like the Borg - you must join them without condition, anything less is irrelevant.

    Peace.

    The problem isn’t “Daesh”, it’s Islam.

  229. @eah
    Dominique Venner

    Thanks for the name -- I am not so familiar with his work, and had forgotten about him.

    Readers who appreciate Mr Sailer's blog and would like to follow events in France more specifically can try GalliaWatch.

    That looks like a good site. It’s hard to find stuff on France in English that’s neither mainstream rubbish or some quirky, crankish, neo-post-reactionary, alternate universe Right, purity spiral about how France has been going downhill since Vercingetorix.

  230. @Harold
    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential. And yet we look around the world and we see great inequality. Some people live in squalor and suffering while we live well. Some people are so tormented inside that they turn to violent acts. Why? Not because of anything inherent to them; ‘there but for the grace of God…’. It is because of the situation they have been put in by those who, by historical accident, have had the power to make the world conform to their wishes. And these same people now wish to protect this unearned advantage and privilege of theirs, instead of moving towards a world we know is possible, a world in which everyone lives like whites. They blame the victims of circumstance and further alienate them from society. How can you live with yourself seeing the unnecesary inequality in the world and not doing anything about it, in fact, exacerbating it? This is what is sick. How can you not feel guilty for living well because of the sins of your ancestors? Yes, there may be suffering and friction in moving to this better world of universal flourishing, but in the scheme of things it is not so great—how many deaths are caused by terrorism?—and any moral person would consider it a sacrifice worth making.

    If you start with a false premise you get the wrong answer. If “every people is the same”, why is distance running dominated by East Africans and sprinting by West Africans? Why are the majority of the players in the NBA and NFL black when they only constitute 13% of the US population?

    We are all equal in dignity before God and the law but that’s about as far as it goes. Some people have musical talent – I can’t sing a note. Some people are gifted at making things that other people want – the Japanese for example. Others don’t produce much of anything – Cambodians for example. This is not just some sort of accident – there are real differences in intelligence, diligence, motivation, etc. that lead to different outcomes. If you were to replay the simulation over again 100 times, the results would end up the same because Japanese are not Khmers nor vice versa. There is no alternate universe where Khmers make high quality automobiles and the Japanese make fish sauce, where Jews dominate the NFL and blacks dominate finance and the law.

    You have no reason to feel guilty about the lifestyle that you enjoy. This lifestyle was created by the hard work and ingenuity of your father and grandfather and was not just the result of winning some global lotto ticket. Help the less fortunate if you wish (with your own damn money, not mine) but don’t feel guilty about it.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    I'm fairly sure Harold was being sarcastic. (At least I hope he was.)
  231. @Bee
    Um, Catholics are like 80% or more of France's population. Why would they need "special" sympathy, and why would there be a fear of them leaving the country?

    This is the "White history month" school of looking at everything context-free.

    At what point does the majority become an embattled minority and isn’t it too late by then? Or is this like affirmative action, of which Christopher Caldwell said, ” One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which affirmative action can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too weak to a world in which it can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too strong.” Once Catholics are no longer a majority in France, how well can they expect to be treated by their new Muslim overlords? See the post above about what happened to the last Catholic priests of Algeria.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Once Catholics are no longer a majority in France, how well can they expect to be treated by their new Muslim overlords?
     
    If people still don't understand that, what hope is there that they'll ever wake up? They could, of course, still ask the Assyrians, who've been all but cleansed from their homeland. Or the Copts, who've been pogromed several times this month alone. Can't ask the pre-Islamic Maghrebi Christians, way too late for that. Still, not too late to learn something from the experiences of Maghrebis whose families have converted to Christianity. Like, for example, French soldier Abel Chennouf, whose family left Algeria in the hopes of escaping persecution, only for him to be killed in Montauban during Mohammed Merah's jihadist rampage, and then, despite his family's protests, used by the French state as part of their propaganda about all the good, patriotic Muslims.

    People ask what the harm would be in the West having a Muslim majority, and refuse to look at the sorry state Europe is in right now. Muslims are still very much a minority, and France has already stopped being a safer place than the Islamist hellholes the Chennoufs or the Monsonegos thought they were leaving behind.

  232. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Funny. When I saw the header “Just Another Day…” I immediately started humming the McCartney song to myself. It’s one of my guilty pleasure favorites…one of those cloying, poppy tunes Paul was able to write as easily as you and I breath, and that was about all he wrote after getting away from John Lennon.

    Then I see Steve added the video. Made me smile.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "one of my guilty pleasure favorites…one of those cloying, poppy tunes Paul was able to write as easily as you and I breath"

    Paul for the pretty melodies, John for the chorus.

    "and that was about all he wrote after getting away from John Lennon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XR6UGAX6MI
  233. @RadicalCenter
    Thank God. Nobody should be permitted in our military who is Muslim in the first place.

    More broadly, nobody should be admitted to 0ur military unless he can prove that all four of his grandparents were born in the USA to people who were here legally. That would disqualify the majority of the Muslims (and a majority of Mexicans, for that matter, so sad).

    Back in the old draft days when they were in need of cannon fodder, the US Army was not that picky. They not only accept immigrants but they REQUIRED that they serve. If you were a draft age immigrant they would take you right from the boat to boot camp.

  234. @Hacienda
    Steve is CIA agitprop. The movie critic background, marketer, promoter, and his mystery years before his appearance of Art Linkletter "Kids Say the Darndest Things"

    CIA is operated by Illuminati who themselves are a human/Borg hybrid. The end purpose is assimilation into the Borg collective.

    There is no “Steve Sailer.” Much like Osama B the few photos we have of the supposed recluse Sailer are obvious forgeries posed by random actors of differing height, nose width and beard length. The entire iSteve persona was a deep cover operation conceived by known CIA asset William F Buckley and his stooge Peter Brimelow (Fabian socialist) during a National Review CIA sponsored cruise in the mid 90’s. What started as a drunken joke got out of hand when Brimelow, using deep state funding and his illuminati contacts had Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart (nephew-in-law of Fidel Castro) pose for a gag photo session with fake beard during a secret gathering of a cabal of open borders fanatics. At that meeting, VDARE was planned and the Steve Sailer character was invented – including a flimsy background. “Sailer” was to be a former Eagle Scout from California who had an obscure career as a market researcher…

    • Replies: @jesse helms think-alike
    Beautiful.

    Fleshed out to about 1500 words this would make a dynamite article in the New Yorker, if New Yorker readers had ever heard of any right wing public intellectual thought leader other than WFB
    , @Hacienda
    I believe Steve exists. But, ontological questions are meaningless as Wittgenstein patched through and as anyone with philosophical chops understands. What's meaningful is Steve as an idea or more importantly an expression of will. Perhaps he is an A.I. creation of Ron Unz, with vast SQL database from archived baseball, movie, demographic records. No human can actually know and care about baseball statistics as much as Steve does, but it cunningly ties into white America's desire for an idyllic past. Is this yet another extremely clever program whereby there is Jewish takeover of right-wing intellectual opinion? I see multiple paths this could occur. One is by trivializing, farcicalizing (that's a word) alt-right opinion. Another is by fanaticizing the alt-right- equally effective. But whether Steve exists or not, he's still "being Steve". On a kind of related note- Google defeated Yahoo and Microsoft in the long run.
  235. @Jack D
    If you start with a false premise you get the wrong answer. If "every people is the same", why is distance running dominated by East Africans and sprinting by West Africans? Why are the majority of the players in the NBA and NFL black when they only constitute 13% of the US population?

    We are all equal in dignity before God and the law but that's about as far as it goes. Some people have musical talent - I can't sing a note. Some people are gifted at making things that other people want - the Japanese for example. Others don't produce much of anything - Cambodians for example. This is not just some sort of accident - there are real differences in intelligence, diligence, motivation, etc. that lead to different outcomes. If you were to replay the simulation over again 100 times, the results would end up the same because Japanese are not Khmers nor vice versa. There is no alternate universe where Khmers make high quality automobiles and the Japanese make fish sauce, where Jews dominate the NFL and blacks dominate finance and the law.

    You have no reason to feel guilty about the lifestyle that you enjoy. This lifestyle was created by the hard work and ingenuity of your father and grandfather and was not just the result of winning some global lotto ticket. Help the less fortunate if you wish (with your own damn money, not mine) but don't feel guilty about it.

    I’m fairly sure Harold was being sarcastic. (At least I hope he was.)

  236. The Europeans destroyed each other in that senseless Great war in 1914-18.

    But their true enemy lay to the south of Europe.

  237. @Jack D
    Honestly, you should go.
    First of all so that you don't let the bastards determine what you do.

    2nd because the actual risk is still small. If you stayed home for a week or two and followed your usual routine, your chances of getting T-boned by some drunk driver are probably higher than the danger from terrorism if you travel around France by train.

    3rd Chartres is located in a semi-rural area around 60 miles outside of Paris. Terrorists usually like to do their thing in bigger cities where there is more press coverage. If the Arabs strike the US again, chances are it will be in NY or another big city and not in some small town in southern NJ 60 miles from NYC (which is why all the homeland security grants for those towns to buy APCs and such were a total waste of $).

    4th because Chartres really is one of the treasures of Western civilization and you owe it to yourself to see it. Even now when you come in from the countryside the Cathedral looms on the horizon like a giant skyscraper (but 1000x more beautiful). 800 years ago when it was built, it must have been impressive as hell - the enormous scale, the glowing stained glass, the rich sculpture - it would have been like Disneyland crossed with a transcendent religious experience. It's double impressive when you understand that it was built at a time when the Roman's systematic knowledge of engineering had largely been lost and so they built this thing by the seat of their pants like a giant game of Jenga - if it collapsed, it meant you had guessed wrong and had to start again.

    Chartres: thumbs up.

  238. @Jack D
    Regardless of what the Church says, Islam regards Allah as being the same God as worshipped by the Christians and the Jews. This is why these religions are (supposed to be) tolerated somewhat by Muslims whereas other religions are considered to be idolatrous and not to be tolerated at all in conquered territories.

    Hey JackD,

    With respect, there seems to be a difference on this all the way from the time of John of Damascus who saw the Muslims as a heresy (an Ishmaelite one at that). Even today, very intelligent Catholics aver to that opinion:
    http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2015/12/christians-muslims-and-reference-of-god.html

    whereas other religions are considered to be idolatrous and not to be tolerated at all in conquered territories

    Not quite…the difference of opinion here is that the Shafi’i school only extends allowance to Christian and Jews (People of the Book) while the Maliki and Hanafi schools extend it to every other faith (and even atheists/materialists). Since the Ummayads (who applied Maliki law) and the Abbasids and Ottomans (both Hanafi) – and even if you want to include some of the semi-autonomous sultanates in West Africa (Maliki) or Mughals (Hanafi) – have been the successive inheritors of the caliphate, the ruling has been applied to all types of non-Muslims in practice historically with few exceptions.

    The source for the above is Imam Abul-Hasan Mawardi (ra) in his compendium Ahkam us-Sultaniyyah (Jurisprudence of Governance) which, though written from the standpoint of the Shafi’i school nevertheless dutifully conveys any difference of opinion on a given matter by the other Sunni Orthodox schools.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    With respect, there seems to be a difference on this all the way from the time of John of Damascus who saw the Muslims as a heresy (an Ishmaelite one at that). Even today, very intelligent Catholics aver to that opinion...
     
    Hilaire Belloc (who was a very intelligent Catholic) argued in his book The Great Heresies that Islam derived from Arianism. Lending plausibility to that position is that Jesus has a role in Islam, and also in Arianism, but in neither one is regarded as the Nicene Creed characterises Him, the Son of God.
  239. @anon
    Anyone who says it's just the Left is a fool.

    Anyone who says it’s just the Left is a fool.

    It is just the Left.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Actually, no.

    Angela Merkel is apart of the Christian Democratic Union, which is a conservative political party. I wouldn't call her a member of the left. Especially given how merciless Germany has been towards Greece in credit negotiations. Merkel also has been a supporter of cutting back on social spending.

    Merkel's opening the door to Muslim migrants was mostly done to bring in cheap foreign labor. Right before she made the decision, German corporate interests were fighting labor unions over the issue of foreign labor. By allowing a huge infusion of migrant labor, Merkel circumvented the unions.

    Thilo Sarazzin, by the way, is a member of the Social Democratic Party.

    In America, the strongest supporters of immigration are Republicans and pro-business Democrats.
    , @anon
    The corporate oligarchy fund the open borders politicians and own the open borders media.

    Anyone who says it is just the Left is a fool.
  240. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    At what point does the majority become an embattled minority and isn't it too late by then? Or is this like affirmative action, of which Christopher Caldwell said, " One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which affirmative action can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too weak to a world in which it can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too strong.” Once Catholics are no longer a majority in France, how well can they expect to be treated by their new Muslim overlords? See the post above about what happened to the last Catholic priests of Algeria.

    Once Catholics are no longer a majority in France, how well can they expect to be treated by their new Muslim overlords?

    If people still don’t understand that, what hope is there that they’ll ever wake up? They could, of course, still ask the Assyrians, who’ve been all but cleansed from their homeland. Or the Copts, who’ve been pogromed several times this month alone. Can’t ask the pre-Islamic Maghrebi Christians, way too late for that. Still, not too late to learn something from the experiences of Maghrebis whose families have converted to Christianity. Like, for example, French soldier Abel Chennouf, whose family left Algeria in the hopes of escaping persecution, only for him to be killed in Montauban during Mohammed Merah’s jihadist rampage, and then, despite his family’s protests, used by the French state as part of their propaganda about all the good, patriotic Muslims.

    People ask what the harm would be in the West having a Muslim majority, and refuse to look at the sorry state Europe is in right now. Muslims are still very much a minority, and France has already stopped being a safer place than the Islamist hellholes the Chennoufs or the Monsonegos thought they were leaving behind.

    • Replies: @anon

    Muslims are still very much a minority
     
    Among males aged 18-30?

    (which is the only metric that matters)
  241. Well, maybe now some of the clergy will rethink their positions on mindless support for mass immigration, particularly from countries where you frequently find someone doing things like beheading. I guess we’ll hear some more crap about it being due to the 5th anniversary of the Brevik Oslo shootings. Brevik after all once accidentally beheaded a picture of a priest when he was in kindergarten and trying to cut out coloring pictures for a school mural.

    I know, it was because the Muslims in France who beheaded the priest were screaming Islamic State were actually motivated by a Chinese guy beheading a girl at Virginia Tech seven and a half years ago.

  242. @AndrewR
    While that girl is obviously a crybully, I don't think it's fair for a man who is [presumably] significantly more financially secure than she is to condemn her for wanting to be paid for her time. Maybe she asked too much. We have no way of knowing from this video. And I'm not saying that poor people have no civic duties. But people with a lot of wealth and/or free time should think twice before criticizing those with less wealth and/or free time for wanting compensation for a two day event. I also really don't understand why the society couldn't have found a person willing to advocate what she would have advocated (presumably republicanism) for little or no compensation. She hardly seems like the best person to argue for any belief.

    This cucked response brought to you by the guy screaming cuck every five minutes.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Im glad you chose to take a break from your endless dindu fellating to reply to my comment.
  243. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Anyone who says it’s just the Left is a fool.
     
    It is just the Left.

    Actually, no.

    Angela Merkel is apart of the Christian Democratic Union, which is a conservative political party. I wouldn’t call her a member of the left. Especially given how merciless Germany has been towards Greece in credit negotiations. Merkel also has been a supporter of cutting back on social spending.

    Merkel’s opening the door to Muslim migrants was mostly done to bring in cheap foreign labor. Right before she made the decision, German corporate interests were fighting labor unions over the issue of foreign labor. By allowing a huge infusion of migrant labor, Merkel circumvented the unions.

    Thilo Sarazzin, by the way, is a member of the Social Democratic Party.

    In America, the strongest supporters of immigration are Republicans and pro-business Democrats.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    For the most part, both the left and right are severely messed up these days.

    The right are cutthroat moneygrubbers who will sell out anything and anyone. The left have gone from being representatives of the working man to being hostile to the native masses.

    The left and right find easy consensus on immigration, as it gives them an opportunity to sell out the country and stick it to the nativists.

    Trump is anathema to these people.
  244. @JohnnyWalker123
    Actually, no.

    Angela Merkel is apart of the Christian Democratic Union, which is a conservative political party. I wouldn't call her a member of the left. Especially given how merciless Germany has been towards Greece in credit negotiations. Merkel also has been a supporter of cutting back on social spending.

    Merkel's opening the door to Muslim migrants was mostly done to bring in cheap foreign labor. Right before she made the decision, German corporate interests were fighting labor unions over the issue of foreign labor. By allowing a huge infusion of migrant labor, Merkel circumvented the unions.

    Thilo Sarazzin, by the way, is a member of the Social Democratic Party.

    In America, the strongest supporters of immigration are Republicans and pro-business Democrats.

    For the most part, both the left and right are severely messed up these days.

    The right are cutthroat moneygrubbers who will sell out anything and anyone. The left have gone from being representatives of the working man to being hostile to the native masses.

    The left and right find easy consensus on immigration, as it gives them an opportunity to sell out the country and stick it to the nativists.

    Trump is anathema to these people.

  245. @Bobby
    Are you sure the attack was aimed at other Muslims? I think three turks were killed, but that's because lots of school-age kids in Germany are turks rather than because the shooter specifically wanted to kill Muslims.

    The shooter claimed he hates Turks. It seems that he was bullied by them and even beat up by a group of Turkish youths.

  246. @Talha

    What will it take?
     
    Converting to Islam won't save you. Daesh is not deterred by this. Anybody can calculate how many drops of blood they've spilled in Europe compared to the pints in Muslim lands; their victims are overwhelmingly Muslim - this is simple math. This is what happened yesterday in non-Europe:
    http://original.antiwar.com/updates/2016/07/25/bombers-strike-east-baghdad-138-killed-iraq/

    Devoting your life to studying Islam will also not save you:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvNupoSw_u8

    They are like the Borg - you must join them without condition, anything less is irrelevant.

    Peace.

    Talha thank you for your thoughtful post.

    It’s clear that muslims willing to commit violent jihad are only a small percentage of the entire ummah. But the vast majority of muslims appear to be unwilling or afraid to even criticize them much less actively oppose them. Peaceful muslims must understand at some level that their own safety is threatened if not by the jihadis themselves then from a future violent backlash that will affect all muslims categorically.

    Is there a scenario where muslim communities in the west and muslim nations themselves would take it upon themselves to stamp out jihadis? For their own personal safety in the west and for the stability of their nation in their own countries.

    Can this realistically be thought to have a chance to happen apart from instances of dictatorial strongmen like saddam or mubarak?

    • Replies: @Talha
    Dear JHTA,

    May God honor you for your kind words.


    only a small percentage of the entire ummah
     
    Agreed, but my, aren't they noisy. I have been studying Muslim history and sacred law at the hands of traditional Hanafi scholars for a decade now and will readily say that this trend of extremism is unfortunately a known bug in the system. In IT vernacular, it requires periodic patching. It raises its ugly head every few centuries, causes trouble, then is either crushed or dies under the weight of its own misanthropy. The Khawarij were the first, and on through the ages, like the alMohads, etc. down to the Salafi/Wahhabi extremists of the day. Sometimes, it shocks me how prescient the words of the great Shafi'i scholar, Imam Ibn Kathir (ra), were when he stated (in the 14th century) about the groups like the Khawarij:
    “If they ever gained strength, they would surely corrupt the whole of the earth, Iraq and Syria – they would not leave a baby, male or female, neither a man or a woman, because as far as they are concerned the people have caused corruption, a corruption that cannot be rectified except by mass killing.”

    But the vast majority of muslims appear to be unwilling or afraid to even criticize them much less actively oppose them.
     
    We have, both on the intellectual level:
    http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf (please see names of signatories at the bottom - this is no joke, you risk your life when you sign onto these things)
    "The Islamic State, however, has taken notice.
    The group recently threatened the lives of 11 Muslim imams and scholars in the West, calling them “apostates” who should be killed. The recent issue of the Islamic State’s online propaganda magazine, Dabiq, called them “obligatory targets,” and it said that supporters should use any weapons on hand to “make an example of them.”"
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/09/us/isis-threatens-muslim-preachers-who-are-waging-theological-battle-online.html?_r=0
    http://www.refutingisis.com/ (Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoubi [db] - a man with outstanding Sunni Orthodox credentials has declared it obligatory, as others have, to fight Daesh)
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/70000-indian-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-isis-the-taliban-al-qaida-and-other-terror-groups-a6768191.html
    Honestly, even top Wahhabi scholars are decrying them:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/17/saudi-clerics-fatwa-declares-terrorism-heinous-crime-sharia-law
    And the military level; Muslims are the boots on the ground right now. Bear in mind, the Ottomans spilled the blood of two of their field armies to crush the Wahhabi extremists when they first appeared - why the British ever gave them succor is beyond me.

    from a future violent backlash that will affect all muslims categorically
     
    Totally agree - what we are seeing now was triggered (though cynically and politically manipulated) as a backlash to what happened on 9/11. Right now, we have been playing into everyone of their moves - they are the grand chess masters, every single one of the Wests moves has backfired. We must respect them for knowing us better than we know ourselves.
    "If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him." -- Sun Tzu

    Is there a scenario where muslim communities in the west and muslim nations themselves would take it upon themselves to stamp out jihadis?
     
    Some Muslim nations are already clamping down and fighting them - while some are supporting them - unfortunately, many of these are our allies. We (US govt and others) have a serious bi-polar approach to this situation. As far as Muslim communities in the West, we have started to recognize (a little late unfortunately) how crazy this has gotten. I live in the Chicago area and the Muslim leadership is begging the FBI; please, if you know some young people in our community who are at risk of radicalization, tell us, we want to intervene before they do something or end up in jail - thus far, no luck, but the negotiations are ongoing. Personally, I spoke to my wife about our three sons and we are in agreement; if we see signs of radicalization that is out of our control, we are calling the authorities. I would rather see my son in prison than having murdered people thinking it was a laudable act. At the end of the day, non-Muslim majorities will decide what to do - we are only here by their invitation and grace - if we collectively become more a burden than a boon.

    Can this realistically be thought to have a chance to happen apart from instances of dictatorial strongmen like saddam or mubarak?
     
    It is not necessary to require strongmen to check this trend; Malaysia and Indonesia are relatively free of much of this radical violence (though it indeed exists) and they are generally much freer and multi-confessional than many ME countries. A lot has to do with bringing young Muslims back under the wing of sound Orthodoxy - this is the challenge - the crisis of authority. I posted this elsewhere, but it is one of the most poignant examples of just how deep this crisis of authority is in the Muslim world:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77QODDURVMg

    We, as an Ummah, have been failing our youth and definitely need to work harder.

    May God preserve you and your progeny.

  247. @Anonymous Nephew
    Meanwhile in the former Church of the former England,

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/this-is-what-im-meant-to-be-doing-the-vicar-welcoming-muslims-to-church


    "In just three years, the Rev Sally Smith has presided over this total transformation of St Mark’s from a middle-class church to something resembling a refugee processing centre.

    It is far from an isolated case. In fact, Smith’s story is a microcosm of what is happening across churches in Europe where a growing number of Muslim refugees are converting to Christianity.

    Some members of the local congregation have been receptive. But many have left, saying they feel alienated by the hundreds of new-look Christians, uncomfortable with the multicultural flags and incredulous at what they see as people taking advantage of Smith."
     

    This is in Stoke on Trent, formerly solid working-class Labour, whose people voted heavily in favour of Brexit. I wonder how many were her former parishioners?

    We visited Spurgeon’s church in London this summer. It’s thriving. We were there on a Wednesday night and Peter Masters, who is as conservative, British, and white as they come delivered a good, solid takedown of modern consumer culture. The chairs were full of people from all over the world, and all the colors of the rainbow. Some Ethiopians tried to get us to join… we were tourists from CA, alas.

    From that experience it seems the future of Christianity in Britain is quite racially diverse!

  248. @FX Enderby
    There is no "Steve Sailer." Much like Osama B the few photos we have of the supposed recluse Sailer are obvious forgeries posed by random actors of differing height, nose width and beard length. The entire iSteve persona was a deep cover operation conceived by known CIA asset William F Buckley and his stooge Peter Brimelow (Fabian socialist) during a National Review CIA sponsored cruise in the mid 90's. What started as a drunken joke got out of hand when Brimelow, using deep state funding and his illuminati contacts had Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart (nephew-in-law of Fidel Castro) pose for a gag photo session with fake beard during a secret gathering of a cabal of open borders fanatics. At that meeting, VDARE was planned and the Steve Sailer character was invented - including a flimsy background. "Sailer" was to be a former Eagle Scout from California who had an obscure career as a market researcher...

    Beautiful.

    Fleshed out to about 1500 words this would make a dynamite article in the New Yorker, if New Yorker readers had ever heard of any right wing public intellectual thought leader other than WFB

  249. @Jack Hanson
    This cucked response brought to you by the guy screaming cuck every five minutes.

    Im glad you chose to take a break from your endless dindu fellating to reply to my comment.

  250. @FX Enderby
    There is no "Steve Sailer." Much like Osama B the few photos we have of the supposed recluse Sailer are obvious forgeries posed by random actors of differing height, nose width and beard length. The entire iSteve persona was a deep cover operation conceived by known CIA asset William F Buckley and his stooge Peter Brimelow (Fabian socialist) during a National Review CIA sponsored cruise in the mid 90's. What started as a drunken joke got out of hand when Brimelow, using deep state funding and his illuminati contacts had Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart (nephew-in-law of Fidel Castro) pose for a gag photo session with fake beard during a secret gathering of a cabal of open borders fanatics. At that meeting, VDARE was planned and the Steve Sailer character was invented - including a flimsy background. "Sailer" was to be a former Eagle Scout from California who had an obscure career as a market researcher...

    I believe Steve exists. But, ontological questions are meaningless as Wittgenstein patched through and as anyone with philosophical chops understands. What’s meaningful is Steve as an idea or more importantly an expression of will. Perhaps he is an A.I. creation of Ron Unz, with vast SQL database from archived baseball, movie, demographic records. No human can actually know and care about baseball statistics as much as Steve does, but it cunningly ties into white America’s desire for an idyllic past. Is this yet another extremely clever program whereby there is Jewish takeover of right-wing intellectual opinion? I see multiple paths this could occur. One is by trivializing, farcicalizing (that’s a word) alt-right opinion. Another is by fanaticizing the alt-right- equally effective. But whether Steve exists or not, he’s still “being Steve”. On a kind of related note- Google defeated Yahoo and Microsoft in the long run.

    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    If Steve did not exist, we would have to invent him.
  251. @Olorin
    The left?

    Good gravy, wf, the town's mosque stands on Catholic Church-donated land. Surely that good old ancient Christian institution had SOMETHING to do with this.

    I'm finding it interesting that the photo of Jacques Hamel I've seen most often...

    http://dailymail.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/a-28.png


    ...appears to be cropped out of this one:

    https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/jacque-hamel.png

    The Left has infected the Catholic Church now for a good 50+ years. Vatican II embraced quasi-liberation theology —which is just socialism with a veneer of Christianity. They also cut down on a lot of evangelism and Feenyism, which led to hand holding hippie crap with other religious leaders, and eventually blasphemous nonsense like “joint catholic-muslim worship services.”

    Then the gays deliberately infiltrated the seminaries in the 1970s and not only used their positions to steal money and have sex with confused teen boys (not pedophilia, mind you–80% of the cases are with sexually mature teenagers—but still an abuse of power and a sexual disorder), but the gays also ruthlessly worked to exclude any Traditionalists form joining up, and only allowed the weak-willed straights who would never oppose them to stop. Pope Francis himself, a liberation theologian, has spoken about how there is a large gay political contingent within the Church that is powerful.

    And the Church meanwhile embraced pop psychology, most of which is unproven hokum and bunk, which made a lot of confused nuns and priests leave under the guise of “personal fulfillment.”

    In short, the Catholic Church has a Leftism problem within it these days, just like the rest of Western society. But make no mistake, it’s the Left under the guise of the Church who made that mosque land donation.

    • Replies: @Contrarian
    The left stopped infiltrating the church long ago. Why bother infiltrating a declining organization? They are merely heckling the church from the outside now.

    The elites and open borders advocates throw little muslim cuckoo eggs into the nest of christian charity. This triggers the christian grace response so christians can't help but coddle, nurture and protect their muslim cuckoo chicks.
    , @Olorin
    So you're saying that the Mediterranean offshoot of Sumerian-dissident Abraham's invention called Judaism, the one known as Christianity/Catholicism, has problems because it has been infiltrated by (((Leftism))) in the modern world?

    You're saying that the re-encounter with Jewish philosophy/culture is the problem? Or that manipulative sex with teen boys was invented in the past 50 years?

    Next you'll be telling me that the problem with the offshoot of Sumerian-dissident Abraham known as Islam has problems because (((the mass media))) misrepresent it, which is to say represent it all too clearly, but in a code they've forgotten how to understand.

    As for me and mine, we hold faith with our land and our people.

    Then again, my household's Jul/Joulu creche is all bears. So what do we know?

  252. @Hibernian
    "...he was financed by a group of NY jews..."

    Care to elaborate?

    Martin started hanging out with two officials of the New York-based American Jewish Committee and flashing $100 bills. The Jews were particularly concerned that the 1962 Second Vatican Council pass “the Jewish Schema” which absolved Jews of blame for Christ’s Crucifixion and by implication accept guilt for 2000 years of anti-Semitism. – See more at: http://www.henrymakow.com/malachi_martin_1.html#sthash.7J4SAVc8.dpuf

  253. @jesse helms think-alike
    Talha thank you for your thoughtful post.

    It's clear that muslims willing to commit violent jihad are only a small percentage of the entire ummah. But the vast majority of muslims appear to be unwilling or afraid to even criticize them much less actively oppose them. Peaceful muslims must understand at some level that their own safety is threatened if not by the jihadis themselves then from a future violent backlash that will affect all muslims categorically.

    Is there a scenario where muslim communities in the west and muslim nations themselves would take it upon themselves to stamp out jihadis? For their own personal safety in the west and for the stability of their nation in their own countries.

    Can this realistically be thought to have a chance to happen apart from instances of dictatorial strongmen like saddam or mubarak?

    Dear JHTA,

    May God honor you for your kind words.

    only a small percentage of the entire ummah

    Agreed, but my, aren’t they noisy. I have been studying Muslim history and sacred law at the hands of traditional Hanafi scholars for a decade now and will readily say that this trend of extremism is unfortunately a known bug in the system. In IT vernacular, it requires periodic patching. It raises its ugly head every few centuries, causes trouble, then is either crushed or dies under the weight of its own misanthropy. The Khawarij were the first, and on through the ages, like the alMohads, etc. down to the Salafi/Wahhabi extremists of the day. Sometimes, it shocks me how prescient the words of the great Shafi’i scholar, Imam Ibn Kathir (ra), were when he stated (in the 14th century) about the groups like the Khawarij:
    “If they ever gained strength, they would surely corrupt the whole of the earth, Iraq and Syria – they would not leave a baby, male or female, neither a man or a woman, because as far as they are concerned the people have caused corruption, a corruption that cannot be rectified except by mass killing.”

    But the vast majority of muslims appear to be unwilling or afraid to even criticize them much less actively oppose them.

    We have, both on the intellectual level:
    http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf (please see names of signatories at the bottom – this is no joke, you risk your life when you sign onto these things)
    “The Islamic State, however, has taken notice.
    The group recently threatened the lives of 11 Muslim imams and scholars in the West, calling them “apostates” who should be killed. The recent issue of the Islamic State’s online propaganda magazine, Dabiq, called them “obligatory targets,” and it said that supporters should use any weapons on hand to “make an example of them.””
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/09/us/isis-threatens-muslim-preachers-who-are-waging-theological-battle-online.html?_r=0
    http://www.refutingisis.com/ (Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoubi [db] – a man with outstanding Sunni Orthodox credentials has declared it obligatory, as others have, to fight Daesh)
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/70000-indian-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-isis-the-taliban-al-qaida-and-other-terror-groups-a6768191.html
    Honestly, even top Wahhabi scholars are decrying them:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/17/saudi-clerics-fatwa-declares-terrorism-heinous-crime-sharia-law
    And the military level; Muslims are the boots on the ground right now. Bear in mind, the Ottomans spilled the blood of two of their field armies to crush the Wahhabi extremists when they first appeared – why the British ever gave them succor is beyond me.

    from a future violent backlash that will affect all muslims categorically

    Totally agree – what we are seeing now was triggered (though cynically and politically manipulated) as a backlash to what happened on 9/11. Right now, we have been playing into everyone of their moves – they are the grand chess masters, every single one of the Wests moves has backfired. We must respect them for knowing us better than we know ourselves.
    “If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him.” — Sun Tzu

    Is there a scenario where muslim communities in the west and muslim nations themselves would take it upon themselves to stamp out jihadis?

    Some Muslim nations are already clamping down and fighting them – while some are supporting them – unfortunately, many of these are our allies. We (US govt and others) have a serious bi-polar approach to this situation. As far as Muslim communities in the West, we have started to recognize (a little late unfortunately) how crazy this has gotten. I live in the Chicago area and the Muslim leadership is begging the FBI; please, if you know some young people in our community who are at risk of radicalization, tell us, we want to intervene before they do something or end up in jail – thus far, no luck, but the negotiations are ongoing. Personally, I spoke to my wife about our three sons and we are in agreement; if we see signs of radicalization that is out of our control, we are calling the authorities. I would rather see my son in prison than having murdered people thinking it was a laudable act. At the end of the day, non-Muslim majorities will decide what to do – we are only here by their invitation and grace – if we collectively become more a burden than a boon.

    Can this realistically be thought to have a chance to happen apart from instances of dictatorial strongmen like saddam or mubarak?

    It is not necessary to require strongmen to check this trend; Malaysia and Indonesia are relatively free of much of this radical violence (though it indeed exists) and they are generally much freer and multi-confessional than many ME countries. A lot has to do with bringing young Muslims back under the wing of sound Orthodoxy – this is the challenge – the crisis of authority. I posted this elsewhere, but it is one of the most poignant examples of just how deep this crisis of authority is in the Muslim world:

    We, as an Ummah, have been failing our youth and definitely need to work harder.

    May God preserve you and your progeny.

  254. @Hacienda
    I believe Steve exists. But, ontological questions are meaningless as Wittgenstein patched through and as anyone with philosophical chops understands. What's meaningful is Steve as an idea or more importantly an expression of will. Perhaps he is an A.I. creation of Ron Unz, with vast SQL database from archived baseball, movie, demographic records. No human can actually know and care about baseball statistics as much as Steve does, but it cunningly ties into white America's desire for an idyllic past. Is this yet another extremely clever program whereby there is Jewish takeover of right-wing intellectual opinion? I see multiple paths this could occur. One is by trivializing, farcicalizing (that's a word) alt-right opinion. Another is by fanaticizing the alt-right- equally effective. But whether Steve exists or not, he's still "being Steve". On a kind of related note- Google defeated Yahoo and Microsoft in the long run.

    If Steve did not exist, we would have to invent him.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Steve is a Stakhanovite creation of the Central Committee.
  255. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sometimes something comes along that’s pretty odd, but makes you go “hum, perhaps that could explain it”.

    “Shocking new role found for the immune system: Controlling social interaction”:

    “…The immune system affects — and even controls — social behavior, a new study has found…

    …researchers at the University of Virginia School of Medicine have determined that the immune system directly affects — and even controls — creatures’ social behavior, such as their desire to interact with others…

    …”The brain and the adaptive immune system were thought to be isolated from each other…”…

    …some of our behavior traits might have evolved because of our immune response to pathogens,” explained Jonathan Kipnis, PhD, chairman of UVA’s Department of Neuroscience. “It’s crazy, but maybe we are just multicellular battlefields for two ancient forces: pathogens and the immune system. Part of our personality may actually be dictated by the immune system.” …

    …Social behavior is, of course, in the interest of pathogens, as it allows them to spread…

    …But the discovery that the immune system — and possibly germs, by extension — can control our interactions raises many exciting avenues for scientists to explore, both in terms of battling neurological disorders and understanding human behavior…

    …published online in the journal Nature…”

    “Unexpected role of interferon-γ in regulating neuronal connectivity and social behaviour”

  256. @Harold
    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential. And yet we look around the world and we see great inequality. Some people live in squalor and suffering while we live well. Some people are so tormented inside that they turn to violent acts. Why? Not because of anything inherent to them; ‘there but for the grace of God…’. It is because of the situation they have been put in by those who, by historical accident, have had the power to make the world conform to their wishes. And these same people now wish to protect this unearned advantage and privilege of theirs, instead of moving towards a world we know is possible, a world in which everyone lives like whites. They blame the victims of circumstance and further alienate them from society. How can you live with yourself seeing the unnecesary inequality in the world and not doing anything about it, in fact, exacerbating it? This is what is sick. How can you not feel guilty for living well because of the sins of your ancestors? Yes, there may be suffering and friction in moving to this better world of universal flourishing, but in the scheme of things it is not so great—how many deaths are caused by terrorism?—and any moral person would consider it a sacrifice worth making.

    Every people is the same.

    No they aren’t.

    Every people has equal potential.

    No they don’t.

  257. @Nick Diaz
    So you are equating the present situation of Muslim terrorism in Europe, where a few dozen people have been killed, to World War I, where thousands died every day? I can see that you are not a fan of hyperbole, Sailer. That was my attempt at irony.

    extrapolate

  258. @jon
    And everyone's favorite autistic economist, Bryan Caplan, reminds us that we are being innumerate if we are bothered by these attacks:

    Pointing out that immigrants are better than comparable natives is directly analogous to, say, pointing out that the much-maligned Ford Pinto was not unsafe for a compact car. In both cases, false beliefs lead to foolish actions - scapegoating immigrants and Pintos when they're at least as good as comparable natives and comparable cars. Pointing out that immigrants are better than comparable natives is directly analogous to, say, pointing out that the much-maligned Ford Pinto was not unsafe for a compact car. In both cases, false beliefs lead to foolish actions - scapegoating immigrants and Pintos when they're at least as good as comparable natives and comparable cars.
     
    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2016/07/immigrant_quali.html

    That’s why he supports open borders for Israel (not).

  259. @Harold
    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential. And yet we look around the world and we see great inequality. Some people live in squalor and suffering while we live well. Some people are so tormented inside that they turn to violent acts. Why? Not because of anything inherent to them; ‘there but for the grace of God…’. It is because of the situation they have been put in by those who, by historical accident, have had the power to make the world conform to their wishes. And these same people now wish to protect this unearned advantage and privilege of theirs, instead of moving towards a world we know is possible, a world in which everyone lives like whites. They blame the victims of circumstance and further alienate them from society. How can you live with yourself seeing the unnecesary inequality in the world and not doing anything about it, in fact, exacerbating it? This is what is sick. How can you not feel guilty for living well because of the sins of your ancestors? Yes, there may be suffering and friction in moving to this better world of universal flourishing, but in the scheme of things it is not so great—how many deaths are caused by terrorism?—and any moral person would consider it a sacrifice worth making.

    Grow up.

  260. @Nick Diaz
    So you are equating the present situation of Muslim terrorism in Europe, where a few dozen people have been killed, to World War I, where thousands died every day? I can see that you are not a fan of hyperbole, Sailer. That was my attempt at irony.

    Look, you fool, world war 1 was sparked off by the terrorist murder of just one single individual.

  261. @Neoconned
    I remember being in shock listening to Malachi Martin on art bell in the 90s announcing that in the not too distant future, the Pope would be evil and ruling on behalf of Satan. He also hinted that this was the true meaning of the Third Secret of Fatima.

    I thought it sounded a bit out there and wild at the time. Now? Not so much.

    By the way, all of the Melachi Martin shows with art bell are on youtube. Just search youtube for art bell and melachi martin - it is talk radio at its absolute most entertaining.

    Actually, you might just be right.

  262. @Rob McX
    Is there any more the Muslims can do to provoke the comatose native population against them? They've already shown how much they hate everything liberals stand for - feminism, homosexual rights, etc. - and the only response they get is "Refugees Welcome". Let's see how conservative Catholics respond to the latest outrage.


    Train axeman being welcomed to Germany.

    A natural reaction is being prevented by a treacherous political and media class who like a virus are suppressing the national immune system – the first step is to remove that virus.

  263. @eah
    Dominique Venner

    Thanks for the name -- I am not so familiar with his work, and had forgotten about him.

    Readers who appreciate Mr Sailer's blog and would like to follow events in France more specifically can try GalliaWatch.

    I’ve only read his last book, The Shock of History, since it was translated into English. But he deserves a wider audience, especially in the US, since he’s written a lot about guns and even about Gettysburg as well. His books on WW2 might also deserve consideration, even though I feel the markets are saturated and overloaded. It’s too bad the way he chose to go out did not have the bracing impact on French society he hoped it would.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Symbolic suicide has resonance in Asian cultures but in the West, suicide, especially in a sacred church, is viewed as a sin or the product of mental illness. For someone who claimed to be a man of the right, even if not religious himself, this should have been self-evident.
  264. @Talha
    Hey JackD,

    With respect, there seems to be a difference on this all the way from the time of John of Damascus who saw the Muslims as a heresy (an Ishmaelite one at that). Even today, very intelligent Catholics aver to that opinion:
    http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2015/12/christians-muslims-and-reference-of-god.html

    whereas other religions are considered to be idolatrous and not to be tolerated at all in conquered territories
     
    Not quite...the difference of opinion here is that the Shafi’i school only extends allowance to Christian and Jews (People of the Book) while the Maliki and Hanafi schools extend it to every other faith (and even atheists/materialists). Since the Ummayads (who applied Maliki law) and the Abbasids and Ottomans (both Hanafi) – and even if you want to include some of the semi-autonomous sultanates in West Africa (Maliki) or Mughals (Hanafi) – have been the successive inheritors of the caliphate, the ruling has been applied to all types of non-Muslims in practice historically with few exceptions.

    The source for the above is Imam Abul-Hasan Mawardi (ra) in his compendium Ahkam us-Sultaniyyah (Jurisprudence of Governance) which, though written from the standpoint of the Shafi’i school nevertheless dutifully conveys any difference of opinion on a given matter by the other Sunni Orthodox schools.

    Peace.

    With respect, there seems to be a difference on this all the way from the time of John of Damascus who saw the Muslims as a heresy (an Ishmaelite one at that). Even today, very intelligent Catholics aver to that opinion…

    Hilaire Belloc (who was a very intelligent Catholic) argued in his book The Great Heresies that Islam derived from Arianism. Lending plausibility to that position is that Jesus has a role in Islam, and also in Arianism, but in neither one is regarded as the Nicene Creed characterises Him, the Son of God.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Crawfurdmuir,

    I think Belloc was a very intelligent man, even though I don't agree with his conclusions. He did however see (presciently) the strength in the Islamic narrative even if he denied it - and that is to be praised. One who can see the strengths in others, even if they consider them to be rivals or foes have a lot more wisdom to impart than the ones who are glibly dismissive.

    Peace.
    , @5371
    Christ was the Son of God for Arius too, but wasn't of the same nature and hadn't been begotten ante omnia saecula.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Others have more developed views:

    http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2012/12/the-christian-origins-of-islam

    Yet others argue that it developed from an Ebionite (Judaic) form of Christianity:

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/184451/sec_id/184451

  265. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Anyone who says it’s just the Left is a fool.
     
    It is just the Left.

    The corporate oligarchy fund the open borders politicians and own the open borders media.

    Anyone who says it is just the Left is a fool.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Exactly.

    Just look at 'The Economist' magazine.
  266. @Anonymous

    Once Catholics are no longer a majority in France, how well can they expect to be treated by their new Muslim overlords?
     
    If people still don't understand that, what hope is there that they'll ever wake up? They could, of course, still ask the Assyrians, who've been all but cleansed from their homeland. Or the Copts, who've been pogromed several times this month alone. Can't ask the pre-Islamic Maghrebi Christians, way too late for that. Still, not too late to learn something from the experiences of Maghrebis whose families have converted to Christianity. Like, for example, French soldier Abel Chennouf, whose family left Algeria in the hopes of escaping persecution, only for him to be killed in Montauban during Mohammed Merah's jihadist rampage, and then, despite his family's protests, used by the French state as part of their propaganda about all the good, patriotic Muslims.

    People ask what the harm would be in the West having a Muslim majority, and refuse to look at the sorry state Europe is in right now. Muslims are still very much a minority, and France has already stopped being a safer place than the Islamist hellholes the Chennoufs or the Monsonegos thought they were leaving behind.

    Muslims are still very much a minority

    Among males aged 18-30?

    (which is the only metric that matters)

  267. @anon
    The corporate oligarchy fund the open borders politicians and own the open borders media.

    Anyone who says it is just the Left is a fool.

    Exactly.

    Just look at ‘The Economist’ magazine.

  268. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Harold
    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential. And yet we look around the world and we see great inequality. Some people live in squalor and suffering while we live well. Some people are so tormented inside that they turn to violent acts. Why? Not because of anything inherent to them; ‘there but for the grace of God…’. It is because of the situation they have been put in by those who, by historical accident, have had the power to make the world conform to their wishes. And these same people now wish to protect this unearned advantage and privilege of theirs, instead of moving towards a world we know is possible, a world in which everyone lives like whites. They blame the victims of circumstance and further alienate them from society. How can you live with yourself seeing the unnecesary inequality in the world and not doing anything about it, in fact, exacerbating it? This is what is sick. How can you not feel guilty for living well because of the sins of your ancestors? Yes, there may be suffering and friction in moving to this better world of universal flourishing, but in the scheme of things it is not so great—how many deaths are caused by terrorism?—and any moral person would consider it a sacrifice worth making.

    Yeah, right.

    The biggest and longest standing ‘racial inequality’ the world has ever seen is, of course, in India, and has persisted for something like 3000 years.
    It is, of course, the Hindu caste system and the gulf between Brahmins, at one extreme, and Dalits at the other.
    The gulf in living standards, social status, income, life chances etc etc simply dwarfs anything you accuse white people of doing.

    So, why don’t you go to India and fight for the Dalits?
    – Expect bicycle spokes to be poked through your eyeballs, and gasoline to be poured over your body – and ignited.

  269. @cwhatfuture
    Muslims took the concept of the Creator of the Universe, and made that Creator into a character who demands human sacrifice. The suicide bomber, you will note, goes right to heaven and right to 72 virgin women. And in return for that blood, that god will give the Muslims success here on earth too. Christians don't worship that god, and neither do Jews. I believe the Aztecs did, however, under a different name.

    Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+22&version=NIV

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    The entire point of that story is human sacrifice is not required.
    In practice, although not in law, it seems very much required by the Muslim god, who seems very pleased by those who take lives and then lose them in spreading the faith. When a bomber goes into a pizza parlor and kills several children and then the killer is lauded as a martyr, well one does wonder if child sacrifice has made a return. When a killer goes into a church and slaughters the priest on the altar, it is reminiscent of a practice one could call human sacrifice.
  270. @Crawfurdmuir

    With respect, there seems to be a difference on this all the way from the time of John of Damascus who saw the Muslims as a heresy (an Ishmaelite one at that). Even today, very intelligent Catholics aver to that opinion...
     
    Hilaire Belloc (who was a very intelligent Catholic) argued in his book The Great Heresies that Islam derived from Arianism. Lending plausibility to that position is that Jesus has a role in Islam, and also in Arianism, but in neither one is regarded as the Nicene Creed characterises Him, the Son of God.

    Hey Crawfurdmuir,

    I think Belloc was a very intelligent man, even though I don’t agree with his conclusions. He did however see (presciently) the strength in the Islamic narrative even if he denied it – and that is to be praised. One who can see the strengths in others, even if they consider them to be rivals or foes have a lot more wisdom to impart than the ones who are glibly dismissive.

    Peace.

  271. @Olorin
    Perhaps the attacker thought the way you suggest.

    But if anything this is a moment where the "core institution worth defending" is not the totally moribund Roman church that over 1500 years came from the South as the second of three waves of Abrahamic incursion...

    ...but is, or will be, revealed to be the entirely alive, chthonic, and organic European genome.

    Europeans must mind the gap and hop onto that train.

    Consider that abandonment of Christianity derives not from horrible secularism or downfall...but from awakening to the fact that the Abrahamic religions' place in Europe was always problematic...and psychologically divisive. (Witness the massive and ongoing white-on-white civil wars of the past thousand Abrahamic years.)

    Till Watson and Crick, we didn't have a good way to put it. The eugenicists and others tried, but got bogged down.

    Now we know better. Now we can do better. I am constantly irritated by how people assert that Christianity produced high civilization in Europe. Funny how it never managed to do that, say, anywhere with African native populations in Africa, eh? Nor Judaism either.

    I am constantly irritated by how people assert that Christianity produced high civilization in Europe. Funny how it never managed to do that, say, anywhere with African native populations in Africa, eh? Nor Judaism either.

    On a relative basis, one could argue Ethiopia’s culture has benefited from Christianity.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Olorin
    Point possibly granted...and in the tersitude of these comments the implicit framework was the western church rather than the eastern.

    But then again, I don't think of Ethiopians as "Africans" in the genetic sense.
  272. @Dave Pinsen

    I am constantly irritated by how people assert that Christianity produced high civilization in Europe. Funny how it never managed to do that, say, anywhere with African native populations in Africa, eh? Nor Judaism either.
     
    On a relative basis, one could argue Ethiopia's culture has benefited from Christianity.

    Point possibly granted…and in the tersitude of these comments the implicit framework was the western church rather than the eastern.

    But then again, I don’t think of Ethiopians as “Africans” in the genetic sense.

  273. @Harold
    Every people is the same. Every people has equal potential. And yet we look around the world and we see great inequality. Some people live in squalor and suffering while we live well. Some people are so tormented inside that they turn to violent acts. Why? Not because of anything inherent to them; ‘there but for the grace of God…’. It is because of the situation they have been put in by those who, by historical accident, have had the power to make the world conform to their wishes. And these same people now wish to protect this unearned advantage and privilege of theirs, instead of moving towards a world we know is possible, a world in which everyone lives like whites. They blame the victims of circumstance and further alienate them from society. How can you live with yourself seeing the unnecesary inequality in the world and not doing anything about it, in fact, exacerbating it? This is what is sick. How can you not feel guilty for living well because of the sins of your ancestors? Yes, there may be suffering and friction in moving to this better world of universal flourishing, but in the scheme of things it is not so great—how many deaths are caused by terrorism?—and any moral person would consider it a sacrifice worth making.

    I feel bad for wasting people’s time, now. I wasn’t serious.

    The point is this: HBD is key. We will never win without killing the great lie of cognitive uniformity.

    And soon we will know.

  274. @Anonymous
    Below is a link to a performance by Lin-Manuel Miranda at the White House in 2009. I think he gives a very engaging and compelling performance. He's good-looking in this video and kind of sexy. He has good energy and exudes intelligence. I'm not a fan of rap and haven't seen Hamilton, but I think Miranda is pretty impressive in the video below. Miranda's singing style reminds me a bit of Jim Carroll's.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGn

    “Miranda’s singing style reminds me a bit of Jim Carroll’s.”

    You say that like it’s a good thing.

  275. @Anonymous
    Funny. When I saw the header "Just Another Day..." I immediately started humming the McCartney song to myself. It's one of my guilty pleasure favorites...one of those cloying, poppy tunes Paul was able to write as easily as you and I breath, and that was about all he wrote after getting away from John Lennon.

    Then I see Steve added the video. Made me smile.

    “one of my guilty pleasure favorites…one of those cloying, poppy tunes Paul was able to write as easily as you and I breath”

    Paul for the pretty melodies, John for the chorus.

    “and that was about all he wrote after getting away from John Lennon”

  276. @Jack D
    Note that the abbey was secularized at the time of the French Revolution so that anti-clericalism is nothing new in France (although today's attackers are not anti-clerical, just anti-Christian).

    The abbey itself is magnificent but the village that surrounds it is a gigantic overpriced tourist trap. The abbey was once a place of solitude but now gets 3 million visitors every year.

    On the one hand, the fact that the Mont is an island with only 1 entrance (a bridge recently replaced the causeway) makes it easy to screen visitors but on the other hand if attackers managed to get on the island it would be difficult to evacuate quickly.

    “Mont is an island with only 1 entrance (a bridge recently replaced the causeway) makes it easy to screen visitors but on the other hand if attackers managed to get on the island it would be difficult to evacuate quickly.”

    Nowhere to escape to on high tide so it’s good that they now have armed guards and some sort of response plan?

    “The abbey itself is magnificent but the village that surrounds it is a gigantic overpriced tourist trap. ”

    Scots blood. Painful for me to spend money.

    France has so many wonders. Awesome country that has lost it’s way, temporarily.

  277. St. Jacques Hamel, New Martyr, pray for us.

  278. @Intelligent Dasein
    This is squarely on the shoulders of heretical Antipope Francis, who has been cheerleading the Muslim invasion of Europe from the beginning.

    As I’ve pointed out before, Francis is not an antipope; he’s merely a bad pope. There’s a difference.

  279. @Jack D
    Regardless of what the Church says, Islam regards Allah as being the same God as worshipped by the Christians and the Jews. This is why these religions are (supposed to be) tolerated somewhat by Muslims whereas other religions are considered to be idolatrous and not to be tolerated at all in conquered territories.

    …Islam regards Allah as being the same God as worshipped by the Christians and the Jews…

    Mahometans deny they worship the same God as do we Christian Catholics

    http://www.ahlesunnat.biz/main/holyquran109.htm

    • Replies: @Talha

    Mahometans deny they worship the same God as do we Christian Catholics
     
    I'm a 'Mahometan' (in your parlance) and no we don't. We disagree on His nature with you (as do the Jews), that should be obvious to anyone reading the entirety of the Qur'an. Why are you taking a surah that was revealed as a response to the polytheists of Makkah - when they asked the Prophet (pbuh) to split the time of worship between their idols and God (ie. let's compromise; we will worship your God for a few days, then you worship our idols for a few) - to apply in a general sense? Which legitimate Muslim authority do you cite for your opinion?

    Peace.

  280. @Romanian
    I've only read his last book, The Shock of History, since it was translated into English. But he deserves a wider audience, especially in the US, since he's written a lot about guns and even about Gettysburg as well. His books on WW2 might also deserve consideration, even though I feel the markets are saturated and overloaded. It's too bad the way he chose to go out did not have the bracing impact on French society he hoped it would.

    Symbolic suicide has resonance in Asian cultures but in the West, suicide, especially in a sacred church, is viewed as a sin or the product of mental illness. For someone who claimed to be a man of the right, even if not religious himself, this should have been self-evident.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I tend to disagree. Suicide for soldiers has always been an option to protect their honor even in the West (at least in modern and ancient times), and Venner was a soldier. Not to mention Pagans, and Venner himself - IIRC - considered himself a Pagan of sorts. The sacred church doesn't bother me much either, but perhaps that's only because I'm nonreligious myself.
  281. @Perplexed
    No, it wasn't the money. Scrambling for a comeback, she said that actually it was because she knew she would be attacked as she just had been. She said the money demand was so she wouldn't have to appear.

    And you believed her ? I have a nice bridge you might be interested in buying.

  282. @Dave Pinsen
    Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+22&version=NIV

    The entire point of that story is human sacrifice is not required.
    In practice, although not in law, it seems very much required by the Muslim god, who seems very pleased by those who take lives and then lose them in spreading the faith. When a bomber goes into a pizza parlor and kills several children and then the killer is lauded as a martyr, well one does wonder if child sacrifice has made a return. When a killer goes into a church and slaughters the priest on the altar, it is reminiscent of a practice one could call human sacrifice.

  283. @Crawfurdmuir

    With respect, there seems to be a difference on this all the way from the time of John of Damascus who saw the Muslims as a heresy (an Ishmaelite one at that). Even today, very intelligent Catholics aver to that opinion...
     
    Hilaire Belloc (who was a very intelligent Catholic) argued in his book The Great Heresies that Islam derived from Arianism. Lending plausibility to that position is that Jesus has a role in Islam, and also in Arianism, but in neither one is regarded as the Nicene Creed characterises Him, the Son of God.

    Christ was the Son of God for Arius too, but wasn’t of the same nature and hadn’t been begotten ante omnia saecula.

  284. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    With respect, there seems to be a difference on this all the way from the time of John of Damascus who saw the Muslims as a heresy (an Ishmaelite one at that). Even today, very intelligent Catholics aver to that opinion...
     
    Hilaire Belloc (who was a very intelligent Catholic) argued in his book The Great Heresies that Islam derived from Arianism. Lending plausibility to that position is that Jesus has a role in Islam, and also in Arianism, but in neither one is regarded as the Nicene Creed characterises Him, the Son of God.

    Others have more developed views:

    http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2012/12/the-christian-origins-of-islam

    Yet others argue that it developed from an Ebionite (Judaic) form of Christianity:

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/184451/sec_id/184451

  285. @Jack D
    Symbolic suicide has resonance in Asian cultures but in the West, suicide, especially in a sacred church, is viewed as a sin or the product of mental illness. For someone who claimed to be a man of the right, even if not religious himself, this should have been self-evident.

    I tend to disagree. Suicide for soldiers has always been an option to protect their honor even in the West (at least in modern and ancient times), and Venner was a soldier. Not to mention Pagans, and Venner himself – IIRC – considered himself a Pagan of sorts. The sacred church doesn’t bother me much either, but perhaps that’s only because I’m nonreligious myself.

  286. @Tiny Duck
    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn't happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I'm not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    I guarantee you that this was the work of right wing neo nazis.

    I think some of you forgot who started the crusades.

    Maybe if France was more welcoming this crap wouldn’t happen

    The priest was old and probably had retrograde views. I’m not saying he deserved it but you have to consider all the facts

    Mosque in Town of ISIS-Inspired Priest Attack Was Opened On Land Given by Church

    The mosque in the French town where two radical Islamists slit the throat of a Catholic priest was opened on land donated by his church, it was revealed on Thursday.

    The gesture, made in 2000, is a symbol of the strong ties between the two communities at a high level. However, after the attack, which was claimed by the Islamic State militant group (ISIS), others have warned that the town has a growing problem of radicalization.

    In Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, located near the northern city of Rouen, the two men stormed the 17th-century Église St Étienne church and took five people hostage, before killing the priest and leaving a worshipper in critical condition.

    Police shot dead the the two attackers after surrounding the church. French media have identified one of the attackers as 19-year-old Adel Kermiche, who had attempted to enter Syria last year and who French security services had under electronic monitoring using a tag since March.

    Mohammed Karabila, the imam of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray’s mosque, said he was “stunned” by the execution of Jacques Hamel, and called him a friend who he spoke with about inter-faith relations in the town.

  287. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    To repeat what Jack said, I hope your vision improves!

    I appreciate your voice in these forums.

    BTW, regarding your stated regret upthread:

    I should have gone to Europe when it was still recognizably Europe. Now I know I never will. If you go back, be careful and stay safe.
     
    Here’s my old comment (#58) about PBS stalwart Rick Steves.

    You are very kind. Thank you so much!

    I bookmarked Rick Steve’s website. I’m always up for some armchair traveling.

  288. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    ...Islam regards Allah as being the same God as worshipped by the Christians and the Jews...

    Mahometans deny they worship the same God as do we Christian Catholics

    http://www.ahlesunnat.biz/main/holyquran109.htm

    Mahometans deny they worship the same God as do we Christian Catholics

    I’m a ‘Mahometan’ (in your parlance) and no we don’t. We disagree on His nature with you (as do the Jews), that should be obvious to anyone reading the entirety of the Qur’an. Why are you taking a surah that was revealed as a response to the polytheists of Makkah – when they asked the Prophet (pbuh) to split the time of worship between their idols and God (ie. let’s compromise; we will worship your God for a few days, then you worship our idols for a few) – to apply in a general sense? Which legitimate Muslim authority do you cite for your opinion?

    Peace.

  289. @whorefinder
    The Left has infected the Catholic Church now for a good 50+ years. Vatican II embraced quasi-liberation theology ---which is just socialism with a veneer of Christianity. They also cut down on a lot of evangelism and Feenyism, which led to hand holding hippie crap with other religious leaders, and eventually blasphemous nonsense like "joint catholic-muslim worship services."

    Then the gays deliberately infiltrated the seminaries in the 1970s and not only used their positions to steal money and have sex with confused teen boys (not pedophilia, mind you--80% of the cases are with sexually mature teenagers---but still an abuse of power and a sexual disorder), but the gays also ruthlessly worked to exclude any Traditionalists form joining up, and only allowed the weak-willed straights who would never oppose them to stop. Pope Francis himself, a liberation theologian, has spoken about how there is a large gay political contingent within the Church that is powerful.

    And the Church meanwhile embraced pop psychology, most of which is unproven hokum and bunk, which made a lot of confused nuns and priests leave under the guise of "personal fulfillment."

    In short, the Catholic Church has a Leftism problem within it these days, just like the rest of Western society. But make no mistake, it's the Left under the guise of the Church who made that mosque land donation.

    The left stopped infiltrating the church long ago. Why bother infiltrating a declining organization? They are merely heckling the church from the outside now.

    The elites and open borders advocates throw little muslim cuckoo eggs into the nest of christian charity. This triggers the christian grace response so christians can’t help but coddle, nurture and protect their muslim cuckoo chicks.

    • Replies: @whorefinder

    The left stopped infiltrating the church long ago. Why bother infiltrating a declining organization?
     
    It's a treasure trove of wealth, moral authority (declined from the 1960s, but still there, to be sure), and power. Those things still attract Leftists. Not to mention access to confused teens, whom the Left loves to abuse.

    They are merely heckling the church from the outside now.
     
    The heckling wouldn't work if there weren't True Believing Leftists inside who felt bad and were moved by the heckling to push the Church even further in alignment with Leftism.

    The elites and open borders advocates throw little muslim cuckoo eggs into the nest of christian charity. This triggers the christian grace response so christians can’t help but coddle, nurture and protect their muslim cuckoo chicks.
     
    Yes, that's a Trojan horse. However, during its robust times the Church was a fine bulkwark against abusers of Christian charity. John's gospel talks about how certain folks will attempt to abuse charity (the story of Judas stealing from the moneypurse and complaining when people did other things rather than give Jesus money).

    Open borders was anathema to the Catholic church as well; remember that the Bible and Catholic theology both have strong implications that "end times" will occur when the Devil attempts to create a one world government. Furthermore, most of the New Testament concerns separate ministries for separate nations; Jesus's own words assumes that nations will be separate. The Church itself was set up to alone unite humanity in brotherhood ---while the secular governments were supposed to remain separate.

  290. @Jack D
    This is another operation by Putin to get Donald Trump elected. After the election Trump will hand the Baltic states over to Putin and in return he will be allowed to open a Trump casino in Moscow. If he gives them Poland, Putin will throw in a golf course.

    Trump’s holding out for a couple high-cheekbone Natashas to be named later…

  291. @eah
    SJW’s deserve no mercy.

    I agree -- especially an obnoxious, self-righteous bitch like her.

    And actually the best part of the video (in terms of showing what a hypocritical ass she is) is at approx 4:00, when she says she does not appreciate being 'personally attacked and having a finger jabbed in my face' -- but if you recall, earlier in the video, at approx 1:45, she started it by asking where he was 'domiciled' for tax purposes -- I didn't really see how that was at all relevant to the discussion, and I think he was right to take it as a kind of SJW-ish personal 'attack', and respond accordingly.

    I had to check into Laurie Penny’s background, HBD-wise, and she’s the spawn of ((( ))) and Irish lawyers, so she’s exactly what you’d expect her to be.

  292. @whorefinder
    The Left has infected the Catholic Church now for a good 50+ years. Vatican II embraced quasi-liberation theology ---which is just socialism with a veneer of Christianity. They also cut down on a lot of evangelism and Feenyism, which led to hand holding hippie crap with other religious leaders, and eventually blasphemous nonsense like "joint catholic-muslim worship services."

    Then the gays deliberately infiltrated the seminaries in the 1970s and not only used their positions to steal money and have sex with confused teen boys (not pedophilia, mind you--80% of the cases are with sexually mature teenagers---but still an abuse of power and a sexual disorder), but the gays also ruthlessly worked to exclude any Traditionalists form joining up, and only allowed the weak-willed straights who would never oppose them to stop. Pope Francis himself, a liberation theologian, has spoken about how there is a large gay political contingent within the Church that is powerful.

    And the Church meanwhile embraced pop psychology, most of which is unproven hokum and bunk, which made a lot of confused nuns and priests leave under the guise of "personal fulfillment."

    In short, the Catholic Church has a Leftism problem within it these days, just like the rest of Western society. But make no mistake, it's the Left under the guise of the Church who made that mosque land donation.

    So you’re saying that the Mediterranean offshoot of Sumerian-dissident Abraham’s invention called Judaism, the one known as Christianity/Catholicism, has problems because it has been infiltrated by (((Leftism))) in the modern world?

    You’re saying that the re-encounter with Jewish philosophy/culture is the problem? Or that manipulative sex with teen boys was invented in the past 50 years?

    Next you’ll be telling me that the problem with the offshoot of Sumerian-dissident Abraham known as Islam has problems because (((the mass media))) misrepresent it, which is to say represent it all too clearly, but in a code they’ve forgotten how to understand.

    As for me and mine, we hold faith with our land and our people.

    Then again, my household’s Jul/Joulu creche is all bears. So what do we know?

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Your nonsense would be more palatable if you were entertaining. You can do better, little bigot. Up your game, since you can't improve your low intelligence.
  293. @Hibernian
    In the mid 60s in the US, post Vatican 2 but just barely, when the Church was still packed on Sunday, weekday Mass attendance was dismal (Priest and altar boys accounted for about 25%.) except when us parochial schoolkids were ordered to attend the 8AM Mass. (Which we were only sporadically.)

    First Fridays were mandatory at my schools.

  294. @FX Enderby
    If Steve did not exist, we would have to invent him.

    Steve is a Stakhanovite creation of the Central Committee.

  295. @Contrarian
    Bad choice of targets. The catholic and protestant churches of Europe are staunch supporters of the muslim influx. And their organizations and volunteers form the backbone of refugee resettlement.

    ISIS still thinks Christianity is a crusader religion. Contemporary Christianity is quite the opposite. It fits the description of cuckoldry perfectly.

    1. The Church hierarchy in France and Germany needs to be thoroughly purged before any change in policy can be effected. But word has it episcopal appointments are effectively vetted by the French state, which finds intriguing ways of flouting the 1905 Separation of Church and State in order to better monitor the Church (such as the fact that the ministry of cults is still de facto exercised, due to Alsace-Moselle still under the Concordat regime as they were under German rule in 1905 and the Third Republic not daring to impose the 1905 law retroactively).

    2. Your point about strategy seems to chide Muslims for a foresight you cannot reasonably expect of these fellows: recent history shows plainly, they just aren’t very bright.

  296. @Olorin
    So you're saying that the Mediterranean offshoot of Sumerian-dissident Abraham's invention called Judaism, the one known as Christianity/Catholicism, has problems because it has been infiltrated by (((Leftism))) in the modern world?

    You're saying that the re-encounter with Jewish philosophy/culture is the problem? Or that manipulative sex with teen boys was invented in the past 50 years?

    Next you'll be telling me that the problem with the offshoot of Sumerian-dissident Abraham known as Islam has problems because (((the mass media))) misrepresent it, which is to say represent it all too clearly, but in a code they've forgotten how to understand.

    As for me and mine, we hold faith with our land and our people.

    Then again, my household's Jul/Joulu creche is all bears. So what do we know?

    Your nonsense would be more palatable if you were entertaining. You can do better, little bigot. Up your game, since you can’t improve your low intelligence.

  297. @Contrarian
    The left stopped infiltrating the church long ago. Why bother infiltrating a declining organization? They are merely heckling the church from the outside now.

    The elites and open borders advocates throw little muslim cuckoo eggs into the nest of christian charity. This triggers the christian grace response so christians can't help but coddle, nurture and protect their muslim cuckoo chicks.

    The left stopped infiltrating the church long ago. Why bother infiltrating a declining organization?

    It’s a treasure trove of wealth, moral authority (declined from the 1960s, but still there, to be sure), and power. Those things still attract Leftists. Not to mention access to confused teens, whom the Left loves to abuse.

    They are merely heckling the church from the outside now.

    The heckling wouldn’t work if there weren’t True Believing Leftists inside who felt bad and were moved by the heckling to push the Church even further in alignment with Leftism.

    The elites and open borders advocates throw little muslim cuckoo eggs into the nest of christian charity. This triggers the christian grace response so christians can’t help but coddle, nurture and protect their muslim cuckoo chicks.

    Yes, that’s a Trojan horse. However, during its robust times the Church was a fine bulkwark against abusers of Christian charity. John’s gospel talks about how certain folks will attempt to abuse charity (the story of Judas stealing from the moneypurse and complaining when people did other things rather than give Jesus money).

    Open borders was anathema to the Catholic church as well; remember that the Bible and Catholic theology both have strong implications that “end times” will occur when the Devil attempts to create a one world government. Furthermore, most of the New Testament concerns separate ministries for separate nations; Jesus’s own words assumes that nations will be separate. The Church itself was set up to alone unite humanity in brotherhood —while the secular governments were supposed to remain separate.

  298. @Svigor
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/

    Barack Obama via the State Department GAVE AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY to anti Benyamin Netanyahu groups in the Israeli elections. The direct intervention in the Israeli elections by Barack Obama against Netanyahu was bigger and more nefarious than was reported but Hillary Clinton, Hillary2016, the DNC never said a word. Hypocrites and liars.
     
    I fully support this. I think American money that goes to tilting Israeli elections to the left, to spawning in Israel the kind of leftist NGOs we see in Ukraine and elsewhere, etc., is money well-spent. We should be making a long-term, full-spectrum campaign to turn Israel to the left. Until and unless diaspora Jews stop doing the same thing to the west.

    Many people in diaspora Jewish communities will approve of turning Israel to the left, after all where did J Street start? There are also a lot of Israeli homegrown leftists. However, the Israeli government has little control over diaspora Jewish communities. There is no exilarch who does.

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