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Watch: Andrew Yang’s response to a question about how he would handle mental health during Wednesday's NYC mayoral debate drew fire on social media from people who said it lacked empathy or understanding. https://t.co/frKMJ3naJf pic.twitter.com/g9VKD1CoX5
— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 17, 2021
New York City mayoral elections always wind up sounding like an excerpt from a Batman movie. Andrew Yang has decided to cast himself in the Bruce Wayne role. Hence, from the New York Times:
Andrew Yang draws fire over debate comments on mental illness.
June 16, 2021, 9:22 p.m. ET
By Andy Newman and Mihir ZaveriThe Democratic candidates for mayor of New York were asked during Wednesday’s debate how they would address mental health and homelessness. Andrew Yang’s response differed from his rivals’.
“The fact is, mentally ill homeless men are changing the character of our neighborhoods. A woman my wife, Ellen, is friends with — and her mom grew up in Hell’s Kitchen — was punched in the face by a mentally ill man, sent a picture of her bruised face around the mom group, spread like wildfire. This is happening in New York City. And we’re not talking enough about it. Families are leaving as a result, in East Harlem, the neighborhood has been changed. Upper West Side, the neighborhood has been changed. We owe our people and our families better than this. And I’m frustrated by the political nature of these responses. I mean, we’re not talking about housing affordability. We’re talking about the hundreds of mentally ill people we all see around us every day on the streets and the subways. We need to get them off of our streets and our subways, into a better environment. And when you ask what I’m going to do differently, I’m going to rebuild the stock of psych beds in our city because the number has gone down 14 percent — it should be going up 100 percent until there are resources necessary for anyone who’s mentally ill to not be on our streets. It’s not right for them. It’s not right for a city. There will be no recovery until we resolve this. I will fix this.”
Well said.
Moderator: “Thank you.”
“Yes, mentally ill people have rights. But you know who else have rights? We do. The people and families of the city. We have the right to walk the street and not fear for our safety because a mentally ill person is going to lash out at us.”
A large portion of the the random attacks on passer-bys on city streets, e.g., the punching of unimposing funnyman Rick Moranis, are committed by repeat offender crazymen who should be locked up until they stop being a menace to society.
For example, I know a young lady who was punched in the head in the 42nd Street subway station by Jermaine “Free Hugs” Himmelstein, who had been for years punching white girls in Times Square and Washington Square who turned down his offer of free hugs (for which he then demanded $5). Finally, he was caught on video a couple of months later punching a pretty girl from Canada in Times Square. This was his 16th arrest for the same behavior, but because this video had gone viral, they finally didn’t just let him go to do it again.
The Democratic candidates for New York mayor clashed at Wednesday night’s debate over how to help those who showed signs of untreated mental illness on city streets.
… With the comments, Mr. Yang doubled down on remarks he had made earlier in the evening, when he was asked about people experiencing homelessness.
“Mentally ill homeless men are changing the character of our neighborhoods,” he said, adding that families were leaving New York City because of their presence on the streets.
“We’re talking about the hundreds of mentally ill people we see around us every day on the streets and the subways,” he said. “We need to get them off of our streets and our subways into a better environment.”
Together, the comments reflected the aggressive rhetoric Mr. Yang has been using in recent days when talking about social issues and crime.
His comments drew fire on social media from people who said they lacked empathy or understanding, and stigmatized people with mental illness.
Many pointed out research that shows people with serious mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violent crime — not perpetrators.
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These women also have a “-less” suffix to stigmatize: it’s called childless. For 50 years white upper middle class women have voluntarily lowered their fertility below replacement, and it has done way more harm to our society than homeless people have. These women are disgusting. The homeless are doing a job our chickenshit politicians like Andrew Yang are too afraid to do: punish the childless lifestyle.
One thing at a time.
And what women are you writing about? Women in general or the specific White victims of random street attacks by insane black felons?
You obviously don’t have children and blame the women who rejected you. Another MAN OF UNZ jacking off while broadcasting his impotence with live real women for all to read.
Your favorite porn is obviously sadistic black men beating up White women.
So UNZ is no longer a pro White site.
We’re such a contorted culture. Any expression of ordinary, mainstream self-interest is immediately lambasted as evil.
To escape criticism, this measure would have had to be sold as solely for the benefit of the mentally ill; probably castigating normal people for some moral crime as part of the pitch.
Moral narcissism is so strong now, the same measure can elicit opposite reactions, depending on how plausibly it allows those who support it to claim uncommon virtue.
The interesting question therefore is: why do so many people need such frequent moral validation?
this is because 'America' is now run by jewish leftists, communists, and marxists. where all things normal and productive are bad, and all things deviant and destructive are good.
PRC communists may be communists, but they aren't jewish communists. that is the distinction. in China the problem people all get locked up and put away, and the average citizen as well as the political leaders can all say the same thing about them and laugh in public about it with no fear, because it is self evident that there should not be a million mentally ill crazy people roaming the streets, punching people at random, and creating tent villages and no go zones in urban centers where they spread hepatitis and other diseases.
This is smart, especially since Yang’s fallen in the polls and has little to lose. Most people agree with him and find this refreshing … even if he won’t be able to do anything if elected. I’m assuming you cannot just put (black) people in psych wards indefinitely without their consent. But zero tolerance revolving door policing where you put the guy in jail once a month eventually pays off. He does something and the Post reports he has 78 previous arrests for the same thing and why hasn’t the prosecutor who’s up for reelection done anything about him, and all of a sudden he’s put away for twenty years for money laundering, possession of a letter opener, use of an unlicensed therapy dog, or something.
… do East Asians not get a pass for lacking empathy? I thought these people were claiming to have empathy for the disabled.
The real problem is that if you define “mental illness” as someone with a high likelihood of committing an unprovoked violent act against a total stranger… the resulting demographics of mental illness would be unacceptable to the woke politicians and interest groups currently in control of NYC.
I fully expect the mayoral vote in NYC to fall entirely along racial/ethnic lines. “Ranked choice” will make it a bit unpredictable, as it is difficult for pollsters to get accurate 2nd, 3rd, etc. choices with which to run elimination simulations.
Whites have certainly failed to manage their own misfits over the last 50 years, and this would've been true even in the absence of blacks. After all, neo-liberal neglect of the vulnerable can be seen in decaying white "communities" and "families" everywhere, and was already quite visible by the 80's when this was still a white country.
If all the gun control laws were enforced the prisons would be even fuller of blacks than they are now. Especially the gun control laws in the big crime ridden northern cities. Most liberals are shocked to learn most, or almost all the guns used in crime were obtained on the informal market. As in stolen. From stolen in a home burglary or from a warehouse or hi jacked truck or army base. That’s even in domestic crimes. What demographic is more apt to grab a gun or kitchen knife to make a point during a domestic squabble? The demographic that buys stolen guns. Or finds a gun in a burglary or car break in.Replies: @Jonathan Mason
There will be an alternative. It will take several offensives and counteroffensives to get there. That is how truth is discovered, trust forged, progress achieved.
Flight doesn’t.
Faster, please.
Indeed, but they are two separate problems.
One thing at a time.
Yang:
He didn’t get the memo.
“Many pointed out research that shows people with serious mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violent crime — not perpetrators.”
Sort of like how black people are more likely to be victims of homicide than perpetrators.
Solid rebuttal right here:
Thank you.
Hey, didn’t John Derbyshire tell us that Mayor DeBlasio’s wife had a billion dollars to spend to fix this sort of thing? What …. what happened to that cash? I hope she’s still got it … it could really come in handy …
Oh, and Mr. Yang doesn’t understand what rights are all about, but that’s to be expected. See “Citizenship in the Nation”.
It wasn’t for any kind of new mom’s support groups. Or free baby clothes diapers cribs etc. Or visiting nurses to give the vaccinations weigh the babys, standard pre natal care. Ir free cab service to Drs. Or baby sitting and baby sitting referrals. Or classes in taking care of new borns Which should really be taken well in advance. Or coupons for coffee and putting the babies in strollers and meeting other mommies at Macdonald’s (Hispanic) or Starbucks (White) for coffee and a chat in the mornings.
No one knows where the money went. But for sure, not one new mommy or baby or their families benefitted in the slightest way.
“A large portion of the the random attacks on passer-bys on city streets, e.g., the punching of unimposing funnyman Rick Moranis, are committed by repeat offender crazymen”
Are they actually crazy? Or are they just feral? A bear, or a rattlesnake, or a snapping turtle, or even a goose – all of these animals will attack you if you get to close to them. Are they crazy? Obviously not, it’s simply their nature.
“who should be locked up until they stop being a menace to society.”
No – they should be returned to their ancestral homelands, where they can be free to live as they are meant to. Nobody says we have to keep this tiger in his cage until he learns to stop eating people. It is known that a tiger will always be true to his nature.
” Jermaine “Free Hugs” Himmelstein, who had been for years punching white girls in Times Square and Washington Square who turned down his offer of free hugs…”
This piece of shit isn’t crazy. Crazy people don’t establish a pattern of behavior and target the same type of victim. He raged against white women because he wanted them but could not have them, just like the ugly Asian opinion writers the NYT who lambast white men because the one they had a crush on in college didn’t want to aggressively bed them.
White women have to work hard not to be goddesses. God made them groovy. You have to be a homosexual not to want them. I don't blame the crazy black man; but I still want to shatter his face.
" ... but he could not have them"
It seems young white women have given up on all males unless you bark and need to be walked. God is disappointed, and so are young white men. Me? I've had my fill.
“His comments drew fire on social media…”
Now that every dip shit has a cell phone and a Twitter account, you could claim the sky is blue and it would draw fire from someone. The NY Times, as usual, has chosen to amplify the remarks of dip shits.
Theres only one God ma’am, and He doesn’t dress like that.
Can you go into more detail on how these women prompt your disgust reflex?
“Perfectly divide” = thesis, antithesis, synthesis.
Faster, please.
Pragmatism versus empathy.
‘Top Cop’ K Harris did it in California.
To escape criticism, this measure would have had to be sold as solely for the benefit of the mentally ill; probably castigating normal people for some moral crime as part of the pitch.
Moral narcissism is so strong now, the same measure can elicit opposite reactions, depending on how plausibly it allows those who support it to claim uncommon virtue.
The interesting question therefore is: why do so many people need such frequent moral validation?Replies: @Greta Handel, @TTSSYF, @slumber_j, @Dieter Kief, @prime noticer, @Desiderius
This
is very well said.
Interesting take: Wokeness is mainly about policy more than culture. It’s a result of the massive “civil rights” laws and bureaucracy put in place 50 years ago.
That line about the mentally ill being victims of crime more than perpetrating it gets trotted out every single time. I’ve never seen the research allegedly supporting it and it’s irrelevant anyway. Get violent people off the streets and keep them off. I wish Yang had the guts to demand of his detractors why this is too much to ask for.
Violence and mental illness: an overview
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
The PubMed link might be useful as well (e.g. for citing papers).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16946914/
The abstract includes the line you mention.First, note this caveat which I suspect explains all.This is interesting. I think that last sentence means someone might want to spend a little time thinking more about direction of causality. I wonder if the difference in victimization rates remains the same if other covariates are added to the model (e.g. race).And here are some numbers. I wonder what percentage of mentally ill people do and do not abuse substances concurrently. Seems interesting to me that they do not discuss that. (this page gives some numbers, they estimate 9.8 million US adults with a serious mental illness (SMI) and 2.3 million with co-occurring SMI and substance use disorder (SUD))That said, this from you is spot on.Replies: @photondancer
Makes me think of “library guy,” (“This is library!”) only instead of “library” it’s “Hey, this is City! People have to live here!”
As usual, a “firestorm of criticism on social media” seems to have veto power over everything. How many times do we have to read something like, “But the proposal to remove toxic chemicals from the drinking water draw instant reaction on social media…” and so we all get poisoned. Who are these damn people on social media anyway?
So you approve of insane homeless black repeat felons attacking and punching White women. They attack and punch White men too. Do you also think White men should be punished by black men?
And what women are you writing about? Women in general or the specific White victims of random street attacks by insane black felons?
You obviously don’t have children and blame the women who rejected you. Another MAN OF UNZ jacking off while broadcasting his impotence with live real women for all to read.
Your favorite porn is obviously sadistic black men beating up White women.
So UNZ is no longer a pro White site.
Many pointed out research that shows people with serious mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violent crime — not perpetrators.
Apparently true, but crazy people still commit violent crimes more often than non-crazy people, especially “bizarre, unexplained, and arbitrary acts of violence”.
To escape criticism, this measure would have had to be sold as solely for the benefit of the mentally ill; probably castigating normal people for some moral crime as part of the pitch.
Moral narcissism is so strong now, the same measure can elicit opposite reactions, depending on how plausibly it allows those who support it to claim uncommon virtue.
The interesting question therefore is: why do so many people need such frequent moral validation?Replies: @Greta Handel, @TTSSYF, @slumber_j, @Dieter Kief, @prime noticer, @Desiderius
I don’t think it’s that they need frequent moral validation as much as they fear social ostracism, loss of employment, etc. The moral narcissism is groupthink writ large.
Many pointed out research that shows people with serious mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violent crime — not perpetrators.
All the more reason to get them off the street.
So this guy is an Unz user and is happy that women are getting attacked, but has no handle and might not be a guy.
Wrong. From an article the next year:
‘Free Hugs’ Guy Arrested Once Again For Allegedly Attacking Woman In Union Square
https://gothamist.com/news/free-hugs-guy-arrested-once-again-for-allegedly-attacking-woman-in-union-square
This is the little known Catch ’21 – if you are crazy enough to punch random strangers in the face, then you are too crazy to stand trial and they have to let you go. Especially if you are black.
If they let him go, it is either because the units for the criminally insane are full, or because letting him go is what they actually want.Replies: @Jack D
The NYT hates Andrew Yang for whatever reason. I’m pretty sure that’s what this is really about.
Their coverage of the mayoral primary has been just as transparently corrupt as their coverage of national politics–and it’s one of very few local stories they’ll condescend to cover, ever since they explicitly became a “national newspaper” like fifteen years ago or whenever and ditched the Metro section. It’s pretty spectacular, actually.
Anyway, they’re in the tank for some DeBlasioid woman whose name escapes me and who stands no chance of winning, and they crap on everyone else…and especially on Andrew Yang. Probably it’s because he was the front-runner for most of the race.
I have never spent much time in New York and don't really understand the place, though I do have some family there. The most significant thing to me about its municipal elections though that I've always heard is that turnout is usually somewhere below 25%, so they get dominated by narrow interests, public-sector unions and such. Also, many of the voters who might've voted for a Giuliani or Bloomberg have probably left the city (Bloomberg was elected 20 years ago).
Even if you are a jew. They probably hate Bernie Sanders more than Mel Gibson.
To escape criticism, this measure would have had to be sold as solely for the benefit of the mentally ill; probably castigating normal people for some moral crime as part of the pitch.
Moral narcissism is so strong now, the same measure can elicit opposite reactions, depending on how plausibly it allows those who support it to claim uncommon virtue.
The interesting question therefore is: why do so many people need such frequent moral validation?Replies: @Greta Handel, @TTSSYF, @slumber_j, @Dieter Kief, @prime noticer, @Desiderius
I’d say it’s because they lack religious faith, except that most of mainstream Christianity is pushing all this stuff super-hard too.
The candidate who seems to be leading the pack, Eric Adams, has one major trouble of his own – by all indications he doesn’t actually live in the city where he wants to be mayor.
The Times’ favorite candidate, as mentioned above, is the city’s sanitation commissioner, Kathryn Garcia. Interestingly enough, especially in light of the Times’ endorsement, she is one of the only white candidates in the primary (the surname is from her ex-husband).
As if on cue…
Governor Newsom assaulted by crazy black guy
Empathy.
I assume they’ll never forgive Yang for inexplicably exciting various Internet shitlords in 2019. There’s also the unspoken underlying discomfort white liberals always have with Asians, whose success discredits their racial worldview and who are more often competitors with them and their children rather than sympathy objects.
I have never spent much time in New York and don’t really understand the place, though I do have some family there. The most significant thing to me about its municipal elections though that I’ve always heard is that turnout is usually somewhere below 25%, so they get dominated by narrow interests, public-sector unions and such. Also, many of the voters who might’ve voted for a Giuliani or Bloomberg have probably left the city (Bloomberg was elected 20 years ago).
Cuck of the Month Award: Alexander Turok
What I object to here is the accelerationist we-win-when-we-lose mentality. Family-oriented people often leave the cities, some of that is the simple desire for space. A lot of it is due to the crime and homelessness and mismanagement of the cities. If not for that, they would have preferred to stay in the city, particularly in cases like NYC where regional identities are strong. And then you get people saying "oh, your hometown got destroyed and you had to leave, that's actually a victory for us, look at all the Leftists still living there who are suffering!" It would be one thing if this were a permanent, Greece and Turkey style population transfer and separation. But consider that right now some ACLU lawyers are working right now on the case that laws against camping in public parks are unconstitutional.
Scott Stringer had a funny line during the debate:
You got more of what you subsidize, Scott? Who could have predicted that?
If he wont’ grovel before jews and israel that will more than suffice for anybody.
Even if you are a jew. They probably hate Bernie Sanders more than Mel Gibson.
Many pointed out research that shows people with serious mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violent crime — not perpetrators.
Whether people with serious mental illness are more likely to be victims or perpetrators is irrelevant to the fact that they should not be roaming the streets. In one case you’re protecting them, in the other you’re protecting the rest of us, so putting them in custody is a good thing either way.
When you go through an area where people with serious mental illness congregate, such as Venice Beach, you’ll frequently see fights among them. I’m sure the biggest, most violent mentally ill guy can clobber a dozen other mentally ill people without being a victim himself, meaning you will have one perpetrator and 12 victims. So you can honestly say that mentally ill people are more likely to be victims than perpetrators. It’s the same logic that tells us that blacks are more likely to be victims of violent crime than they are to be perpetrators. Of course, the perpetrators are their fellow blacks.
'Free Hugs' Guy Arrested Once Again For Allegedly Attacking Woman In Union Squarehttps://gothamist.com/news/free-hugs-guy-arrested-once-again-for-allegedly-attacking-woman-in-union-square
This is the little known Catch '21 - if you are crazy enough to punch random strangers in the face, then you are too crazy to stand trial and they have to let you go. Especially if you are black.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @James N. Kennett
“Catch ’21” – that was pretty good, Jack.
(I KNOW that Steve will love this, but)
In Heinlein’s Double Star, there is a remark about political parties cutting themselves to give different perspectives (along with other good things like Huey Long and Farley references). So in general, NO DUH! that someone will stake out the right wing, within Dem, position.
It all goes back to the intention of saving taxpayer money.
Somewhere around the 1890s most developed countries started building large mental hospitals on the outskirts of major cities that were large campuses and self-contained communities with their own farms and bakeries, and mentally ill people spent their whole lives there.
However running and staffing such facilities in a human way required a huge budget coming from public money, so it was seen as very desirable to remove stable mentally ill people to the community, and provide a cottage industry of people to support them there.
Eventually most of the large mental hospital campuses were sold down and sold to real estate developers, which was all very nice for the taxpayers.
However if you really think about what is needed to get the mentally ill people off the streets, then the solution you are likely to come up with is to have some kind of campus away from populations and commercial areas where the mentally ill can live peacefully talking to themselves, and be provided with security, nutrition, mental health medication, three hots and a cot, movie nights, TV, and so on.
So in the end you go full circle, but nobody has really found a way of making this into a profitable business without using taxpayer money. The system of healthcare insurance provided by employers in the United States does not work very well for this.
Some facilities are financed out of a law enforcement budget but this is usually in the cases of people who are not fit to plead or who are having their mental competency restored so that they will be fit to plead in a court in the future.
The idea that people with serious mental illnesses are much more likely to become victims of serious crime than to be perpetrators seems like a bit of a myth to me. Who are the people who pick on the mentally ill as victims?
Certainly the most egregious and disturbing cases of criminal violence are usually attributed to mental illness, at least by the defense attorneys, because of that sheer irrationality, rather than any criminal, political, or terrorist motive.
Are mentally ill people more likely to be victims of a mass school shooting than to be the perpetrators?
That is the other reason the streets are full of them. It wasn’t only saving money, civil libertarians fought to eliminate involuntary commitment. We can spend as much money as needed to build and staff first class facilities to house mental illness communities and they will remain almost empty unless that changes.Replies: @stillCARealist, @Jonathan Mason
Lol! In NYC? Where they literally spent a billion dollars on “mental health” with zero to show for it? Please go find another blog to bemuse with your constant stream of stupidity.
For the last forty years. much of the left has got its concept of mental institutions from Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, or Linda Hamilton locked-up as a mental case in Terminator 2.Replies: @anon
Of the people who would previously have been committed to an asylum, I would not be surprised if 90% can manage under the new arrangements. The problem we have is that we did not close 90% of the asylums, we closed nearly 100%. If somebody cannot cope in "the community", then they need to be placed in an asylum (or whatever the polite term is nowadays).Replies: @Jonathan Mason
OT: Call out to Latin (the language not the demographic group) experts:
I am disgusted by homosexuals and transsexuals; I am not afraid of them. “Homophobic” and “Transphobic” do not accurately describe my response to these degenerates.
If I look up Latin words for “disgust”, I find “taedium” and “fastidium”. Which might be more appropriate – “Transtaedia” or “Transfastidia”? Would I be “Homotaedic” or “Homofastidic”? I’m pretty sure ending the words in -ic is probably not really a Latin suffix either.
Please, only experienced Latin readers – I don’t need a search result from Google Translate; I can do that myself.
I’d just like an accurate Latin term to throw back into the face of anyone accusing me of “homophobia” because what I feel is not fear, but rather disgust.
Steve
Google Andrew Yang’s views on the H1B…L1B Visa Program…hint:milli0ns of China’s youth get to vote Whitey into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America..Han Race Power on Han Race Steroids!!!!
Whether people with serious mental illness are more likely to be victims or perpetrators is irrelevant to the fact that they should not be roaming the streets. In one case you're protecting them, in the other you're protecting the rest of us, so putting them in custody is a good thing either way.
When you go through an area where people with serious mental illness congregate, such as Venice Beach, you'll frequently see fights among them. I'm sure the biggest, most violent mentally ill guy can clobber a dozen other mentally ill people without being a victim himself, meaning you will have one perpetrator and 12 victims. So you can honestly say that mentally ill people are more likely to be victims than perpetrators. It's the same logic that tells us that blacks are more likely to be victims of violent crime than they are to be perpetrators. Of course, the perpetrators are their fellow blacks.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Prester John, @Bill Jones, @Jon
Yes, additionally people with mental illnesses are much more likely to CLAIM that they have been victims of physical or sexual violence in the past, so the data in research studies may be skewed.
Unfortunately it has become standard practice to ask mentally ill people whether they have ever been victims of physical or sexual violence, and in many cases they respond in the affirmative, either because they think it is expected of them, or else because they are delusional, and proof is rarely sought.
For example I can think of numerous cases known personally to me where mentally ill people have claimed that they had beenphysically or sexually abused by their own families, but the families of vehemently deny this, and there is no record of complaints or prosecutions that are contemporaneous with the allegations.
Obviously nobody in a therapeutic role really wants to get into in depth interrogations with mentally ill people asking questions along the lines of: “Well, describe exactly what your father did to you”, so such allegations are usually just noted and recorded but not acted upon.
Incidentally when working in a sexual predators facility I have read the case records of many, many convicted “sexual predators.”
In cases that have been legally pursued, very explicit questions of that kind have been asked and answered, and used in evidence in court cases, however these details are virtually never reported in the press as they are considered to be too gruesome for public readership.
Another point is that violent incidents are fairly common in mental hospitals, and that while some of these incidents may be between patients, it is fairly unlikely in the current climate that employees are instigating unprovoked violence against mentally-ill patients
So all in all I am very suspicious of claims that the mentally ill how much more likely to be targets of violence then perpetrators of violence. Any research that claims this should be carefully examined for investigator bias.
They need more mentally ill people like Michael.
In the 1980s and 1990s there was a big, loud, scary, mentally ill homeless guy from Jamaica who used to hang out in the SW corner of Washington Square Park in NYC where the chess players would play. Although Michael would sometimes loudly preach his Christian philosophy in the park, he was well loved by the predominantly Jewish chess players. Thing is, Michael was a gentle guy who wouldn’t hurt anyone without a good reason. He was also the baddest dude in the park and would sometimes chase away some misbehaving psycho.
And so Michael was well loved.
According to the NY Post, that park, and that corner of the park, had descended into chaos. No Michael, no peace.
Nah. A legit cop or even a security guard would have kept the peace better.
Thing is, Michael was a gentle guy who wouldn’t hurt anyone without a good reason.
Yeah, that's always the story. Until it isn't. Then you know what? Gentle guys can do a lot of damage in a short time...and oddly enough, Liberals like you are never around the scene for very long when it all goes down. By the way, what you are pimping is a form jail-yard hierarchy. So I guess you never read John Stuart Mill?
Dude. I know real cops who get to go down under the freeway to talk to the homeless guys. Their actual experience doesn't quite match with your story. Sometimes bums will just move on.... sometimes a mix of pepper spray and Tazer is barely enough to get a gentle guy out of a flood zone.
There's one more option, of course: citizens tell bums to get lost, and the cops back them up. Of course to see that in action, we'd need a time machine. But that is how things worked prior to the cult of the expert and the therapy-state.Replies: @Gamecock, @Anonymous
From the beginning these people should have been institutionalized. Many, if not most of them, are unfortunately beyond help.
Thank you, ACLU!!!!
The NYT went down the poop shoot a long time ago. Nobody can take the Gray Hag seriously anymore.
To escape criticism, this measure would have had to be sold as solely for the benefit of the mentally ill; probably castigating normal people for some moral crime as part of the pitch.
Moral narcissism is so strong now, the same measure can elicit opposite reactions, depending on how plausibly it allows those who support it to claim uncommon virtue.
The interesting question therefore is: why do so many people need such frequent moral validation?Replies: @Greta Handel, @TTSSYF, @slumber_j, @Dieter Kief, @prime noticer, @Desiderius
One thing humans like is to rather talk than do. – Moralising the way societal problems are talked about in public is a way to avoid Facing Reality (cf. Charles Murray’s new book).
Yeah, for sure. Good thing that Men of Action like us are always too busy "doing" to just fill up comment boxes with talk, isn't it?
Wait...uh....hmmm.
Self referential irony is the best irony.Replies: @Dieter Kief
That’s pretty much spot on, but there is a reason why building mental health campuses won’t work in our current society. Many mentally ill people will refuse to stay there, they prefer to wander the streets at will using drugs, assaulting young women for refusing to hug them and so forth. Activists will mobilize to make sure they have the right to do what they want.
That is the other reason the streets are full of them. It wasn’t only saving money, civil libertarians fought to eliminate involuntary commitment. We can spend as much money as needed to build and staff first class facilities to house mental illness communities and they will remain almost empty unless that changes.
Of course, plenty of them enjoy their freedom to camp wherever and be stoned all day. It would be fine with me if the city designated an out-of-the-way place where they can camp legally and be subject to the same sanitary laws as the rest of us. Spreading trash, disease, and drugs all around my nice town should never be tolerated.Replies: @njguy73
However, first of all there has to be discussion before public opinion can be swayed, and changes in public opinion are necessary before politicians and legislators will act.
So you have to start somewhere. What might be considered today's extremism maybe tomorrow's mainstreamism.
It is often difficult to oppose what is presented as an argument in favor of human freedom, but as I sometimes pointed out when I was on the executive board of a large hospital, the fact is that the attorney that the government pays to argue on behalf of mentally patients is just arguing his brief on behalf of people who may be have legitimate grievances, or maybe all completely nuts.
I think that mental health hospitals have pretty much universally abolished the right to smoke cigarettes on campus, regardless of the wishes of many mentally-ill persons, so it is not all one way traffic.
On the other hand the reluctance of mentally ill people to stay in supervised settings is no doubt links to their desire to have access to cigarettes, marijuana, alcohol, street drugs, prostitution (buying and selling), internet pornography, and other dubious pleasures that institutions run by government with taxpayer money cannot permit or even turn a blind eye to.Replies: @SafeNow
Whether people with serious mental illness are more likely to be victims or perpetrators is irrelevant to the fact that they should not be roaming the streets. In one case you're protecting them, in the other you're protecting the rest of us, so putting them in custody is a good thing either way.
When you go through an area where people with serious mental illness congregate, such as Venice Beach, you'll frequently see fights among them. I'm sure the biggest, most violent mentally ill guy can clobber a dozen other mentally ill people without being a victim himself, meaning you will have one perpetrator and 12 victims. So you can honestly say that mentally ill people are more likely to be victims than perpetrators. It's the same logic that tells us that blacks are more likely to be victims of violent crime than they are to be perpetrators. Of course, the perpetrators are their fellow blacks.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Prester John, @Bill Jones, @Jon
Many of what used to be mental facilities now serve drug addicts. The reason why so many of these psychotics are out in the street was due to the deinstitutionalizing process which started in the late 60s and early 70s. Clearly it’s backfired. These people most certainly should be institutionalized–some permanently–but at the present time they have nowhere to go except for–as you indicated–places like Venice Beach (been there and I know what you mean). Re-opening these places and, if necessary, building new ones would taxpayer money well spent. Instead, it goes to financing crap like “Critical Race Theory” in the military.
New York State had two huge mental hospitals on Long Island , at Kings Park (Pilgrim State) and Central Islip (known locally as "CI"). A relative of my wife's was in the latter for awhile, and I visited him there. Not a pleasant place to be but certainly not a Snake Pit, and a good alternative to being on the street.
Unfortunately, the State spent all the money it had to run these places, and then deliberately let most of the building deteriorate to the point where they were not salvageable.
“ It all goes back to the intention of saving taxpayer money.”
Lol! In NYC? Where they literally spent a billion dollars on “mental health” with zero to show for it? Please go find another blog to bemuse with your constant stream of stupidity.
Is such behavior really “crazy,” Steve? Or is it rational?
Rational from a selfish standpoint, rational from a tribal standpoint, rational given that Whites are morally “bad,” and rational given that blacks have been victimized by White oppression. What is crazy about it?
I am in (liberal, but that is redundant, Reston, VA) at a lakeside bar. They are having a gay pride demononstration outside. Bartenders asked me if I were here for the pa-rade. Teasing a little. Of course, I said no. Just here for my regular time, urban Republican. Like gurls. And killing commies. Both lit-uh-relly.
Andrew Yang sounds very sensible.
Why hasn’t the United States had a sensible East Asian, more conservative political leader since California elected SI Hayakawa in the 1970s?
Singapore and Taiwan and Japan are all very successful, clean, prosperous places with sensible laws and policies about crime, mass immigration, heroin trafficking and crazy people punching pretty women in the face.
Why can’t New York City or LA be governed by a sensible East Asian man like Mr. Yang.?
Jack Ryan
Left Behind in Chicago
Whether people with serious mental illness are more likely to be victims or perpetrators is irrelevant to the fact that they should not be roaming the streets. In one case you're protecting them, in the other you're protecting the rest of us, so putting them in custody is a good thing either way.
When you go through an area where people with serious mental illness congregate, such as Venice Beach, you'll frequently see fights among them. I'm sure the biggest, most violent mentally ill guy can clobber a dozen other mentally ill people without being a victim himself, meaning you will have one perpetrator and 12 victims. So you can honestly say that mentally ill people are more likely to be victims than perpetrators. It's the same logic that tells us that blacks are more likely to be victims of violent crime than they are to be perpetrators. Of course, the perpetrators are their fellow blacks.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Prester John, @Bill Jones, @Jon
The Slimes argument seems to be that they should roam free because they contribute to both sides of the whack-job assault.
Yang’s assessment would have been utterly pedestrian only 25 years ago, but we have advanced to such a mushy state of gynofascism that any rhetoric delineating an obvious problem and hinting at confronting the problem is automatically judged a grievous impingement on women’s aristocratic birthright to oblige & tolerate the filthiest pathologies & depravities of someone else’s overgrown children
Who assaults mentally ill homeless? Employed commuters doing it for boxercise? No; other mentally ill homeless.
NYC politics sounds pretty dull, now. It was fun back in the late 70’s: “Vote for Cuomo, not the homo!”
Still, I wish all those of course DEM/union -controlled, totally crappy schooled, big cities would just get pushed into involuntary bankruptcy.
That is the other reason the streets are full of them. It wasn’t only saving money, civil libertarians fought to eliminate involuntary commitment. We can spend as much money as needed to build and staff first class facilities to house mental illness communities and they will remain almost empty unless that changes.Replies: @stillCARealist, @Jonathan Mason
A friend works with the mentally ill, including homeless people. She says more of them want psych beds than are available. They know, when sober, that they can’t function in society and want to be housed in something that’s not prison.
Of course, plenty of them enjoy their freedom to camp wherever and be stoned all day. It would be fine with me if the city designated an out-of-the-way place where they can camp legally and be subject to the same sanitary laws as the rest of us. Spreading trash, disease, and drugs all around my nice town should never be tolerated.
https://postimg.cc/K1VHT5DZ/92618c76
Jonathan Mason’s pleasant (a bakery!) “campus” is spot-on…until Alfa correctly points-out that activists would mobilize against the involuntary aspect. Christopher Caldwell is quite correct — the commendable ethos of the civil rights movement expanded. It now encompasses boys in the girls locker room, shoplifting, whatever. The only solution would be to pay the mentally impaired homeless to stay at the Mason campus. Yang, advocate of the UBI, should have no trouble with that.
Yang about to open the Arkham Asylum for the Criminally Insane.
“I resemble that comment!”
Surprised that no one has mentioned the CATO 4321 formula for determining homeless population demographics.
C = Crazy – about 40%
A = Abusers (drug and/or alcohol addiction) – about 30%
T = Transients (basically what were once called “bums” – people who just don’t want to work or have any responsibilities) – about 20%
O = Other – about 10%
To escape criticism, this measure would have had to be sold as solely for the benefit of the mentally ill; probably castigating normal people for some moral crime as part of the pitch.
Moral narcissism is so strong now, the same measure can elicit opposite reactions, depending on how plausibly it allows those who support it to claim uncommon virtue.
The interesting question therefore is: why do so many people need such frequent moral validation?Replies: @Greta Handel, @TTSSYF, @slumber_j, @Dieter Kief, @prime noticer, @Desiderius
“We’re such a contorted culture. Any expression of ordinary, mainstream self-interest is immediately lambasted as evil.”
this is because ‘America’ is now run by jewish leftists, communists, and marxists. where all things normal and productive are bad, and all things deviant and destructive are good.
PRC communists may be communists, but they aren’t jewish communists. that is the distinction. in China the problem people all get locked up and put away, and the average citizen as well as the political leaders can all say the same thing about them and laugh in public about it with no fear, because it is self evident that there should not be a million mentally ill crazy people roaming the streets, punching people at random, and creating tent villages and no go zones in urban centers where they spread hepatitis and other diseases.
That is the other reason the streets are full of them. It wasn’t only saving money, civil libertarians fought to eliminate involuntary commitment. We can spend as much money as needed to build and staff first class facilities to house mental illness communities and they will remain almost empty unless that changes.Replies: @stillCARealist, @Jonathan Mason
No, you are right that it would not work without matching legislation.
However, first of all there has to be discussion before public opinion can be swayed, and changes in public opinion are necessary before politicians and legislators will act.
So you have to start somewhere. What might be considered today’s extremism maybe tomorrow’s mainstreamism.
It is often difficult to oppose what is presented as an argument in favor of human freedom, but as I sometimes pointed out when I was on the executive board of a large hospital, the fact is that the attorney that the government pays to argue on behalf of mentally patients is just arguing his brief on behalf of people who may be have legitimate grievances, or maybe all completely nuts.
I think that mental health hospitals have pretty much universally abolished the right to smoke cigarettes on campus, regardless of the wishes of many mentally-ill persons, so it is not all one way traffic.
On the other hand the reluctance of mentally ill people to stay in supervised settings is no doubt links to their desire to have access to cigarettes, marijuana, alcohol, street drugs, prostitution (buying and selling), internet pornography, and other dubious pleasures that institutions run by government with taxpayer money cannot permit or even turn a blind eye to.
Yang should have just called these crazy homeless guys racist and transphobic. Then nobody could criticize him
How come so many of the “mentally ill” are black? The race that keeps on giving! Happy Juneteenth everybody!😉
OT: My home page on Firefox recommended this article and I’m done.
Inside the hateful Pokémon card grading scene
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/pokemon-card-grading
Now, autists can sometimes be a bit rude and insensitive but maybe they can apply that logic to MtF transgenders. No? Alright only open source software and Pokemon card grading are places where autism can perhaps produce problematic things.
Another leftist talking point that’s utter BS.
The only relevant question is, are paranoid schizophrenics a bigger threat to the sane, or vice versa? Saying they get assaulted by other crazies over a 5 cent can is not an argument.
Sliwa has the best proposal–re-open Camp LaGuardia in Orange County. NYC used to house its mental defectives there and it worked well. Bloomberg closed it and the city sold the property to the county. But, efforts to develop it have failed and it’s available right now–I bet the city could negotiate a pretty sweet price. But leftists would rather put them in hotels at $300 a night, enriching scumbag landlords.
Like so much else the city does - Second Avenue Subway, anyone? - moving the homeless out of shelters into hotels turned into a complete fustercluck. Bad enough that residential neighborhoods suddenly had an influx of often mentally ill skells plunked down with almost no supervision. Many of the "boutique" style hotels that participated in the program were in such neighborhoods rather than Midtown or the Financial District.
But now, the city is ending the program and bringing the skells back to the shelters - too soon. City hotels still have very little normal business, what with international travel basically nonexistent, and any recovery in business travel likely far off. Domestic tourism isn't likely to spring back significantly until Broadway reopens, which won't happen for almost three months. And this isn't to mention the fact that the hotels which housed the homeless are going to have to renovate all their rooms before they'll be suitable for normal use, something that's going to be difficult now that the city money is gone and the hotels aren't bringing in any other revenue.
One could make the argument that is less cruel to put some of these mentally ill folks in appropriate institutions than it is to allow them to wander the streets where they might harm themselves or others.
However, first of all there has to be discussion before public opinion can be swayed, and changes in public opinion are necessary before politicians and legislators will act.
So you have to start somewhere. What might be considered today's extremism maybe tomorrow's mainstreamism.
It is often difficult to oppose what is presented as an argument in favor of human freedom, but as I sometimes pointed out when I was on the executive board of a large hospital, the fact is that the attorney that the government pays to argue on behalf of mentally patients is just arguing his brief on behalf of people who may be have legitimate grievances, or maybe all completely nuts.
I think that mental health hospitals have pretty much universally abolished the right to smoke cigarettes on campus, regardless of the wishes of many mentally-ill persons, so it is not all one way traffic.
On the other hand the reluctance of mentally ill people to stay in supervised settings is no doubt links to their desire to have access to cigarettes, marijuana, alcohol, street drugs, prostitution (buying and selling), internet pornography, and other dubious pleasures that institutions run by government with taxpayer money cannot permit or even turn a blind eye to.Replies: @SafeNow
“…pleasures that institutions run by government with taxpayer money cannot permit or even turn a blind eye to.”
Norms have changed, unfortunately. These days, governments turn a blind eye to shoplifting, looting, black-on-black murder, and all manner of other activities the tolerance of which would have been unthinkable in years past. If you asked people affronted by homelessness whether the “dubious pleasures” should be allowed on the Mason campus, as enticements to augment the bakery, the poll results would say, Yes, allow these.
Mason actually sounded intelligent for a minute there and then his innate British hatred of dignity and liberty crept back in.
The goal of politicians, media, and activists appears to be to turn the places where ordinary people live into favelas.
Or cigarette smoking. Or patients using cell phones to send each other pictures of their private parts. Or patients using cell phones to harass local businesses or private individuals.
Mental hospitals actually very sensitive about anything happening on their campuses that will alienate the voters who provide the money, or alienate the politicians on whose support they depend.
Another reason for deinstitutionalization and closure of mental hospitals that I did not mention before is that states hate having to deal with lawsuits and liability when darling Johnny breaks his leg while riding a bicycle on the hospital grounds, or darling Katie gets gang-raped by six boyfriends in the unisex bathroom, and nobody knows who the father is.
The states would much rather fob off this responsibility to commercial entities who are contracted to run the facilities, or NGOs, so as to dodge liability issues. Same goes for prisons, for that matter.Replies: @Alden
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There appears to be a vow of silence from academics about Charles Murray’s new book … except for Agustin “Fabio” Fuentes. He seems to be gearing up to to after the new book. Here he is on Twitter today:
Fuentes then seems to change his mind about digging into Murray’s data downloads, and pivots to his go-to argument that race is not biological and is just so, so complex that the likes of you could never understand it.
So Fuentes is saying that IQ is biological, and “race” isn’t, so how could there be any relation? You can get the feel of this line of argument in his recent conversation with Robert Wright:
Fuentes was going after Murray years ago. Below (at 53:00) he did the opposing response to Charles Murray after Murray spoke at Notre Dame about his (relatively noncontroversial) book Coming Apart. Nicholas Wade and A Troublesome Inheritance also comes up. Murray likes it, Fuentes hates it.
Fuentes shouts out from the audience a couple of times during the Q and A. From the Bloggingheads appearance with Wright, his sharp corners appear to have been smoothed off a bit.
There are almost no (I will guess 5-8%) heritage Americans in New York City any more. To further clarify, I am referring to people with White Christian European ancestry and, at minimum, all 4 grandparents born in the United States. There are plenty of blacks, Haitians, Mestizos from Puerto Rico, Guatemala, and the Dominican Republic, Han and Filippinos and various mystery meat from almost every third world sh%thole imaginable, and some Juice, but almost no people with White Christian European ancestry. So why do all the boomers here give a damn who becomes that city’s mayor? They are not your neighbors. They are not your ‘fellow Americans.’ They are not your people. What does the situation in their sh%thole city have to do with ordinary White Americans?
I assume you have never actually been to NYC. It is still a very white city in the parts of the city that matter. And certainly New York City is still primarily „heritage Americans“ by your definition, including Italians in Staten Island, Jews in Manhattan, Irish in Queens, etc. If you use the real definition - Americans of English and/or Dutch descent whose ancestors arrived before 1776, then yes, you are right.Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City#White_ancestries
Whites are 45% of the NYC population and non-Hispanic whites are 35%. Jews are a bit under 15% of the population, so that leaves 20% non-Hispanic, non-Jewish white (assuming basically all NYC Jews are also census white). Some of those 15% will be immigrants or the children of immigrants from the post-Soviet sphere (but some of those will have already been counted among the Jews), and some others will be highly paid professionals and academics coming from from Canada, Australia, UK, etc.
So that still leaves around 15% non-Hispanic, non-Jewish white, with probably all four grandparents born in America. That's a 1.2 million people of Irish, Italian, German, Polish, Greek, etc. ancestry, whose heritage in this country probably goes back more than 100 years.Replies: @3g4me
Being a brain-dead idiot is no excuse for aggravated violent crime. First offence, fine and a strict no nonsense warning. Second offence? Off our streets 4eva.
Let’s create a ‘Devil’s Land’ where neutered and hister-ectomied people can have a ‘free’ society, separate from ours. This for life. Free beer!
Hey British dingbat, no one has ever said that psychiatric care for the indigent could possibly be a for-profit business. This is one of those insipid British tropes about the U.S.–everything that goes wrong must be because capitalism. (Now tell us about the UK’s approach to mental health. Rule 1: don’t talk about it. Rule 2: have a pint)
Government has always been the backstop for crazies, going back centuries. Sometimes, historically, churches ran therapeutic sites. Now it tends to be nonprofits using government money. So “healthcare insurance provided by employers” has no relevance to anything. But that’s typical for you. Lots of words, zero insight.
Why, this is outrageous. We ought to………………oh, you mean this happened in New York City? Oh, never mind then, I thought it happened in America.
I don’t care what goes on in liberal metropolises. Those people are getting what they voted for. I don’t consider them part of any country I recognize as my own. I am no more interested in what goes on there than I am interested in whatever barbaric practices the denizens of various third World countries chose to engage in – like voo-doo, suttee, human sacrifice and the like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhEIz9SzrPkReplies: @profnasty
Please see my comment, #27.
Thank you.
I’ve never figured out why this is up for debate
The Humane, Loving, Caring Liberal thing to do for these men, even the psychotic violent ones, is to put them in a place where all their needs are met. A professional institution…breakfast lunch dinner, medication, television, etc etc
It’s not prison.
I don’t get how that’s wrong.
Too many horror movies about psychiatric institutions.
Whether people with serious mental illness are more likely to be victims or perpetrators is irrelevant to the fact that they should not be roaming the streets. In one case you're protecting them, in the other you're protecting the rest of us, so putting them in custody is a good thing either way.
When you go through an area where people with serious mental illness congregate, such as Venice Beach, you'll frequently see fights among them. I'm sure the biggest, most violent mentally ill guy can clobber a dozen other mentally ill people without being a victim himself, meaning you will have one perpetrator and 12 victims. So you can honestly say that mentally ill people are more likely to be victims than perpetrators. It's the same logic that tells us that blacks are more likely to be victims of violent crime than they are to be perpetrators. Of course, the perpetrators are their fellow blacks.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Prester John, @Bill Jones, @Jon
Yes, that last “rebuttal” wasn’t a counterpoint at all. Yang should incorporate it into his answer the next time he is asked about the subject, it would even help him sound more empathetic to the homeless.
fact: 95% or so of the so-called violent mentally ill homeless are Negroes but it is my experience that at least one-third of these Negroes are nothing more than garden- variety criminals posing as mentally ill. New York City has a Negro problem, not a “crime” problem, not an “edication” problem, not …
Yang is critically mistaken: there are no sane people left in NYC.
Actually I take it back
I do know why it’s up for debate and it’s a good reason.
Putting someone in an institution without their consent and keeping them there indefinitely.
Hmm…ok…let the homeless run around NY and L.A. I don’t live there. Why do I care?
My enemies live there.
A solid “hug” from ” Free Hugs” Himmelstein should help those people empathize with Yang’s point of view.
Inside the hateful Pokémon card grading scene
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/pokemon-card-grading
Now, autists can sometimes be a bit rude and insensitive but maybe they can apply that logic to MtF transgenders. No? Alright only open source software and Pokemon card grading are places where autism can perhaps produce problematic things.Replies: @Jon
Brave browser: brave.com
Non sequitur. The subject IS perpetrators.
I like the idea of an armed society. Dude would hit a woman once. And forever.
Haven’t you noticed? He’s Asian.
Are the publishers and editors/writers at the New York Times considered “criminally insane?”
Or do they just cherish those who are, out on the street hurting random passersby like they do their labrododdles?
I like this Yang better than the old Yang, but too little too late. Adams to his credit recognized the crime issue and ran on it. And Adams’ base of older blacks are extremely reliable voters. Only way he loses is if Maya Wiley consolidates all the radical left support.
Adams is still generally a liberal Democrat, though he’s likely to be a bit better than Debozo.
it was reagan that shut down the loony bins, and for good reason. they were shitholes and psychiatry is a pseudoscience whose doctors usually suffer from some mental illness themselves. an experiment was done: sane people would get themselves checked in and then be unable to check out. homelessness has been an unintended consequence.
but steve’s solution is “lock ’em up and force them to take drugs that will make them obese.” if americastan weren’t such a shithole country there’d be a lot fewer crazy people.
philosemitism is a mental illness steve.
such a boomer loser.
sad.
And here we are.
The Homeless didn't become a cause until Reagan, when they were a convenient weapon, instantly forgotten when a Dem ascends.
In the 1980s and 1990s there was a big, loud, scary, mentally ill homeless guy from Jamaica who used to hang out in the SW corner of Washington Square Park in NYC where the chess players would play. Although Michael would sometimes loudly preach his Christian philosophy in the park, he was well loved by the predominantly Jewish chess players. Thing is, Michael was a gentle guy who wouldn’t hurt anyone without a good reason. He was also the baddest dude in the park and would sometimes chase away some misbehaving psycho.
And so Michael was well loved.
According to the NY Post, that park, and that corner of the park, had descended into chaos. No Michael, no peace.Replies: @anon
They need more mentally ill people like Michael.
Nah. A legit cop or even a security guard would have kept the peace better.
Thing is, Michael was a gentle guy who wouldn’t hurt anyone without a good reason.
Yeah, that’s always the story. Until it isn’t. Then you know what? Gentle guys can do a lot of damage in a short time…and oddly enough, Liberals like you are never around the scene for very long when it all goes down. By the way, what you are pimping is a form jail-yard hierarchy. So I guess you never read John Stuart Mill?
Dude. I know real cops who get to go down under the freeway to talk to the homeless guys. Their actual experience doesn’t quite match with your story. Sometimes bums will just move on…. sometimes a mix of pepper spray and Tazer is barely enough to get a gentle guy out of a flood zone.
There’s one more option, of course: citizens tell bums to get lost, and the cops back them up. Of course to see that in action, we’d need a time machine. But that is how things worked prior to the cult of the expert and the therapy-state.
Cop asks them,"Because he was hitting that woman."
Oh, okay. Thanks!Replies: @anon
One thing humans like is to rather talk than do.
Yeah, for sure. Good thing that Men of Action like us are always too busy “doing” to just fill up comment boxes with talk, isn’t it?
Wait…uh….hmmm.
Self referential irony is the best irony.
We have universities. Unfortunately, most of the inmates are not incarcerated for life only the most disturbed. And they are allowed too much contact with the rest of the population.
For the last forty years. much of the left has got its concept of mental institutions from Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, or Linda Hamilton locked-up as a mental case in Terminator 2.
A better version of what I was going to say. As far as pot goes, psychiatric medicine has historically just been a more expensive (and potentially more harmful) cousin. As for porn, do you expect them to achieve a level of self-control (or denial, or the fast of the demons) impossible for the sane/free? You don’t want them eliminating their urges in a manner which does not require bothering meatspace femoids? Alcohol could go either way and would be classed as a medicine, prescribed for some, counterindicated for others.
Mason actually sounded intelligent for a minute there and then his innate British hatred of dignity and liberty crept back in.
OT: A black man threw a water bottle at Gavin Newsom and got arrested. Do you think he even knew it was the governor, or was it just another random anti-white attack?
O/T
The reviews on Amazon for the Murray book are great. The only criticisms anyone has are that he’s too nice and he writes as if facts will affect the soft left. Some people just can’t stop criticizing!
Are they actually crazy? Or are they just feral? A bear, or a rattlesnake, or a snapping turtle, or even a goose - all of these animals will attack you if you get to close to them. Are they crazy? Obviously not, it's simply their nature.
"who should be locked up until they stop being a menace to society."
No - they should be returned to their ancestral homelands, where they can be free to live as they are meant to. Nobody says we have to keep this tiger in his cage until he learns to stop eating people. It is known that a tiger will always be true to his nature.
" Jermaine “Free Hugs” Himmelstein, who had been for years punching white girls in Times Square and Washington Square who turned down his offer of free hugs..."
This piece of shit isn't crazy. Crazy people don't establish a pattern of behavior and target the same type of victim. He raged against white women because he wanted them but could not have them, just like the ugly Asian opinion writers the NYT who lambast white men because the one they had a crush on in college didn't want to aggressively bed them.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alden, @Dumbo, @Jeff
“he raged against white women because he wanted them …”
White women have to work hard not to be goddesses. God made them groovy. You have to be a homosexual not to want them. I don’t blame the crazy black man; but I still want to shatter his face.
” … but he could not have them”
It seems young white women have given up on all males unless you bark and need to be walked. God is disappointed, and so are young white men. Me? I’ve had my fill.
Why hasn't the United States had a sensible East Asian, more conservative political leader since California elected SI Hayakawa in the 1970s?
Singapore and Taiwan and Japan are all very successful, clean, prosperous places with sensible laws and policies about crime, mass immigration, heroin trafficking and crazy people punching pretty women in the face.
Why can't New York City or LA be governed by a sensible East Asian man like Mr. Yang.?
Jack Ryan
Left Behind in ChicagoReplies: @anon
He is anti-White.
For the last forty years. much of the left has got its concept of mental institutions from Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, or Linda Hamilton locked-up as a mental case in Terminator 2.Replies: @anon
We have universities. Unfortunately, most of the inmates are not incarcerated for life only the most disturbed. And they are allowed too much contact with the rest of the population
There’s more truth here than most people realize. Before the Coof, just about any state Uni had some number of borderline students whose family really didn’t care about academics, just basic safety. So the somewhat older guy signed up for a few credit hours, with access to the student health center (including mental health), a single room in the oldest dorm and a meal plan card could hang out on campus for years. Just pay the tuition and fees, he’s kept in a sort of structured environment that is way safer than jail.
Of course guys like that can be a real interesting spectacle in class. But that’s a problem for the adjunct instructors, not anyone important.
Oh, wait, maybe you were referring to faculty? Well, yeah, them too. But they tend to keep their act together better than the street guys. Although I remember one history prof who had a reserved seat at a local bar – but he wasn’t self-medicating, nope, he was jussst drinking.
That is a poor reason to not give a damn. The better reason is that New York City has had—and continues to have—a terribly destructive impact on the United States. We should all be rooting for it to downsize.
'Free Hugs' Guy Arrested Once Again For Allegedly Attacking Woman In Union Squarehttps://gothamist.com/news/free-hugs-guy-arrested-once-again-for-allegedly-attacking-woman-in-union-square
This is the little known Catch '21 - if you are crazy enough to punch random strangers in the face, then you are too crazy to stand trial and they have to let you go. Especially if you are black.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @James N. Kennett
If somebody is a habitual criminal and is mentally unfit to stand trial, that is a good reason to put him into a secure psychiatric unit; and if he is untreatable, to throw away the key.
If they let him go, it is either because the units for the criminally insane are full, or because letting him go is what they actually want.
There are almost no (I will guess 5-8%) heritage Americans in New York City any more.
I assume you have never actually been to NYC. It is still a very white city in the parts of the city that matter. And certainly New York City is still primarily „heritage Americans“ by your definition, including Italians in Staten Island, Jews in Manhattan, Irish in Queens, etc. If you use the real definition – Americans of English and/or Dutch descent whose ancestors arrived before 1776, then yes, you are right.
Which parts are the parts of the city that matter?
Don't forget the copious intermarriage of the last century. People with exotic surnames could easily be Mayflower descendants or their Virginia, New Netherland, or Penn-sylvania equivalents.
Yeah, for sure. Good thing that Men of Action like us are always too busy "doing" to just fill up comment boxes with talk, isn't it?
Wait...uh....hmmm.
Self referential irony is the best irony.Replies: @Dieter Kief
I don’t quite know you 386, but I do think, that things can be done with words too. – That’s why I referred to Facing Reality, not least.
The only relevant question is, are paranoid schizophrenics a bigger threat to the sane, or vice versa? Saying they get assaulted by other crazies over a 5 cent can is not an argument.
Sliwa has the best proposal--re-open Camp LaGuardia in Orange County. NYC used to house its mental defectives there and it worked well. Bloomberg closed it and the city sold the property to the county. But, efforts to develop it have failed and it's available right now--I bet the city could negotiate a pretty sweet price. But leftists would rather put them in hotels at $300 a night, enriching scumbag landlords.Replies: @prosa123, @prosa123
But leftists would rather put them in hotels at $300 a night, enriching scumbag landlords.
Like so much else the city does – Second Avenue Subway, anyone? – moving the homeless out of shelters into hotels turned into a complete fustercluck. Bad enough that residential neighborhoods suddenly had an influx of often mentally ill skells plunked down with almost no supervision. Many of the “boutique” style hotels that participated in the program were in such neighborhoods rather than Midtown or the Financial District.
But now, the city is ending the program and bringing the skells back to the shelters – too soon. City hotels still have very little normal business, what with international travel basically nonexistent, and any recovery in business travel likely far off. Domestic tourism isn’t likely to spring back significantly until Broadway reopens, which won’t happen for almost three months. And this isn’t to mention the fact that the hotels which housed the homeless are going to have to renovate all their rooms before they’ll be suitable for normal use, something that’s going to be difficult now that the city money is gone and the hotels aren’t bringing in any other revenue.
When drug treatments for psychosis became available, closing down asylums and replacing them with “care in the community” was not a totally bad idea. That is, if the care in the community is actually provided, rather than being a euphemism for no care at all.
Of the people who would previously have been committed to an asylum, I would not be surprised if 90% can manage under the new arrangements. The problem we have is that we did not close 90% of the asylums, we closed nearly 100%. If somebody cannot cope in “the community”, then they need to be placed in an asylum (or whatever the polite term is nowadays).
The ability of drugs to contain antisocial behavior of psychotic patients was always exaggerated by politicians. Drugs do dampen down more Florida symptoms
However when I worked in the field of mental health I always used to say that the reason people were in mental hospitals was very rarely due to symptoms, because symptoms could be treated at home with pills by anybody and did not need a licensed nurse to give them pills.
However almost everybody who was in a mental hospital had symptoms plus some kind of antisocial behavior disorder.
Patients could be discharged from a mental hospital to a supervised apartment in the community, sure, but if they blocked the flush toilet with their socks and then flooded the apartment, landlords would soon lose patience with them. Likewise if they set the place on fire by smoking in bed.
Patients can also be discharged to the families, but may become violent when a supervising family member tries to give them medication and they refuse it. Families have usually experienced many years of violent confrontations which may have started in the teens, and as the parents get older, they have simply had enough.Replies: @Gamecock, @Alden
Women who have white children aren’t much better, though. I’m so glad my Chinese wife is raising my oldest daughter. China really opened up for her after I married my current wife. I shudder to think if she was being raised by her biological white mother. It nauseates me to think of the values that these American women espouse.
The only relevant question is, are paranoid schizophrenics a bigger threat to the sane, or vice versa? Saying they get assaulted by other crazies over a 5 cent can is not an argument.
Sliwa has the best proposal--re-open Camp LaGuardia in Orange County. NYC used to house its mental defectives there and it worked well. Bloomberg closed it and the city sold the property to the county. But, efforts to develop it have failed and it's available right now--I bet the city could negotiate a pretty sweet price. But leftists would rather put them in hotels at $300 a night, enriching scumbag landlords.Replies: @prosa123, @prosa123
Sliwa has the best proposal–re-open Camp LaGuardia in Orange County. NYC used to house its mental defectives there and it worked well.
Reopening Camp LaGuardia could never be anything remotely close to a complete solution. It had a maximum capacity of about 1,000, while on any given night NYC has at least 45,000 people in its shelter system. And then there’s the fact that after 15 years of abandonment most of its buildings are in very poor condition.
(Not so) fun fact: the city had to fence off the previously unsecured grounds in the 1990’s after a resident wandered off the grounds and strangled a pet rabbit to death in front of its horrified owners.
Thanks for giving us a second reason to lock them away.
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Himmelstein sounds like it should mean “hailstone” or “meteorite”, but it doesn’t.
Passers-by. Get your S in gear, Steve!
Citizens are expected to turn a blind eye too, or be accused of racism, stigmatizing the criminally insane, hankering after the 1950s, or some other thought crime that will reduce their Social Credit score.
The goal of politicians, media, and activists appears to be to turn the places where ordinary people live into favelas.
‘…Many pointed out research that shows people with serious mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violent crime — not perpetrators.’
That doesn’t actually do the rest of us much good.
As usual, a "firestorm of criticism on social media" seems to have veto power over everything. How many times do we have to read something like, "But the proposal to remove toxic chemicals from the drinking water draw instant reaction on social media..." and so we all get poisoned. Who are these damn people on social media anyway?Replies: @Abe
Black girls with barely 3-digit IQ’s and “studies” degrees, some of them so essential to our negative value economy (we apparently have so much surplus wealth we must burn off increasingly large chunks of it with completely negative-value activities) that promising to fly in black hair stylists to Boston or New Hampshire the greatest times per month so that your college lands the absolute FIREST black studies “academic” to publish monographs on black hair for the next 20 years is now a thing and a fixed cost of everybody’s college education.
The other are midwit underemployed comedians like this creature to whom running at the front of their own Twitter mob is a stepping stone to an eventual TV talking head gig:
Are they actually crazy? Or are they just feral? A bear, or a rattlesnake, or a snapping turtle, or even a goose - all of these animals will attack you if you get to close to them. Are they crazy? Obviously not, it's simply their nature.
"who should be locked up until they stop being a menace to society."
No - they should be returned to their ancestral homelands, where they can be free to live as they are meant to. Nobody says we have to keep this tiger in his cage until he learns to stop eating people. It is known that a tiger will always be true to his nature.
" Jermaine “Free Hugs” Himmelstein, who had been for years punching white girls in Times Square and Washington Square who turned down his offer of free hugs..."
This piece of shit isn't crazy. Crazy people don't establish a pattern of behavior and target the same type of victim. He raged against white women because he wanted them but could not have them, just like the ugly Asian opinion writers the NYT who lambast white men because the one they had a crush on in college didn't want to aggressively bed them.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alden, @Dumbo, @Jeff
Jermaine free hugs Himmelstein is a frequent UNZ commenter. He often posts as Anon or anonymous. He is also supply and demand another dad John plywood and Pop Warner. His main purpose in life is to get a column in UNZ justifying the murder of Tessa Major for the crimes of going to college, being out and about at 5PM and not being a mother of 3 at 18.
At least the victim was a rabbit and not a child. Rabbits are nice pets. They can be trained to use litter boxes. And their manure is very small dry and not smelly, like deer’s. So the litter box is more civilized than a cat’s. But, they don’t last long as sooner or later a dog coyote raccoon possum or something will get them. They’re pretty, sweet and happy to just sit on your lap or under the couch all day. Unlike dogs that always want to play or go for a walk or something.
The urine pretty much works like cat urine (loudness, frequency).
They are somewhat weak and still unfamiliar animals. In your area the vet might not be as familiar with them as with more common pets.
They will need a vet when they get older and they are not hardy -- proper procedure could kill them.
They are totally incompatible with electrical wiring.
Other than that they are ideal pets for many situations.
https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/1406008638913798145
https://twitter.com/Anthrofuentes/status/1406008765279780866Fuentes then seems to change his mind about digging into Murray's data downloads, and pivots to his go-to argument that race is not biological and is just so, so complex that the likes of you could never understand it.https://twitter.com/Anthrofuentes/status/1406008765279780866So Fuentes is saying that IQ is biological, and "race" isn't, so how could there be any relation? You can get the feel of this line of argument in his recent conversation with Robert Wright:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRLlBjNte78Fuentes was going after Murray years ago. Below (at 53:00) he did the opposing response to Charles Murray after Murray spoke at Notre Dame about his (relatively noncontroversial) book Coming Apart. Nicholas Wade and A Troublesome Inheritance also comes up. Murray likes it, Fuentes hates it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDeBL6FuP0Fuentes shouts out from the audience a couple of times during the Q and A. From the Bloggingheads appearance with Wright, his sharp corners appear to have been smoothed off a bit.Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @anonymous
About there being two Whole Foods stores between MIT and Harvard Square — what does Whole Foods say about the New Upper Class, anyway?
Whole Foods reminds my of Paul Fussell’s “Class”, where it is the insecure Middle Class that cares about appearances and drives late-model luxury automobiles. The truly wealthy drive serviceable, older Fords and Chevys because 1) they don’t feel the need to impress people and 2) and they don’t want to draw too much attention to themselves, where especially during and since the Great Depression, wealthy people try to avoid standing out.
It is like the home owner in the places where Whole Foods is located displaying BLM signs — whose opinion are they trying to influence?
The chain bought out by Kroger has parking spaces marked for “expectant mothers”, a locally owned chain has spaces marked for “seniors” whereas the Whole Foods has a space reserved for “hybrid cars”, only that is just so out of date now that all-electric cars are available?
Walking into a Whole Foods just gives me the creeps — the mode of dress, the facial affect — is that what the creators of South Park satirize as “smug”?
If we are “ruled” by people who shop at Whole Foods, as a country, we are really in bad shape?
I don’t think it is a coincidence that de-institutionalization really got going around the time we got off the gold standard, having pissed away our wealth on wars and welfare. LBJ really stuck it to his people, but politician that he was, I doubt he ever thought deeply about where his policies/legislation would lead.
New York State had two huge mental hospitals on Long Island , at Kings Park (Pilgrim State) and Central Islip (known locally as “CI”). A relative of my wife’s was in the latter for awhile, and I visited him there. Not a pleasant place to be but certainly not a Snake Pit, and a good alternative to being on the street.
Unfortunately, the State spent all the money it had to run these places, and then deliberately let most of the building deteriorate to the point where they were not salvageable.
Lisa Simpson is now a lesbian.
Seriously.
Let's create a 'Devil's Land' where neutered and hister-ectomied people can have a 'free' society, separate from ours. This for life. Free beer!Replies: @tyrone, @Servant of Gla'aki
OK, you’ve got a pretty good pitch started from a netflix series …..I’m in!
I assume you have never actually been to NYC. It is still a very white city in the parts of the city that matter. And certainly New York City is still primarily „heritage Americans“ by your definition, including Italians in Staten Island, Jews in Manhattan, Irish in Queens, etc. If you use the real definition - Americans of English and/or Dutch descent whose ancestors arrived before 1776, then yes, you are right.Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar
I assume you have never actually been to NYC. It is still a very white city in the parts of the city that matter.
Which parts are the parts of the city that matter?
Speaking of the insane, Marc Lamont Hill of Black News Tonight interviews Dr. Aruna Khilanani of the Yale School of Medicine on whether her desire to kill all white people she meets is being misinterpreted.
Its time to be serious about NYC’s decline into Detroit. Yang is getting hit by the Times because the people who really rule NYC like the homeless. They like the crime. They like the violence. And they want more of it.
Lets face it, Wall Street does not rule NYC. They haven’t for years. NYC fell into Taxi Driver decay because the people who ran the city liked it that way. Wall Street briefly had a revival where first Rudy then Bloomberg was able to arrest the decay by vigorous law enforcement against criminals, of which 85% are black, the rest Hispanic. That came to end with De Blasio and it will not stop.
Thought experiment — what would NYC be like if Wall Street ran it? It would be safe, corporate, and clean. Like Disneyland. A corporate globalist sameness, but clean, tidy, orderly, safe. It would be like the Hamptons, or Marthas Vineyard, places very much run by Wall Street. Just bigger.
So who runs NYC? Mostly, black people. The response by the WASP establishment was to power-share various appointed, judicial, bureaucratic, and other positions of power during the various late 1950s and early 1960s urban riots. That was a huge mistake.
The black Ascendancy that runs much of America and ALL of its urban areas wants first and foremost to increase its social networks. It wants NO Whites, Asians, or Latinos in any of the centers of power: police, fire, bureaucratic organizations like health inspectors, safety boards, utility boards, etc. Nor do they want it in judicial appointments, political offices, and the like. There is a reason Lightfoot is Mayor of Chicago and not a Hispanic or Irish or Jewish person. The entire bureaucracy of Chicago supports her, and like all black political and social organizations they are shot through with gangs. You see this in Baltimore, Detroit, Gary, Newark, Chicago, LA, and most definitely NYC. Black gangs. [The reason Trump did well with Latinos was blacks were turfing them out and Trump was by default the anti-black candidate.]
Black homeless people assaulting people and turning NYC into a non-stop WWE match with feces and urine is a plus for black people. Its certainly a plus for black city planners, and bureaucrats, and the rest who actually run the city from positions of power. It maximizes their social network, prevents gentrifiers from becoming network threats (competence instead of just being black and someone’s cousin), and the like.
Amazon was turned away from NYC for a reason. Those jobs were threats (black people avoid work wherever possible) to bring in gentrifiers. The favors black people in powerful positions could deal and cash in on were less than the threat to their network. The Times slavishly adheres to the black princelings and princessses who run the city. So yes they trashed Yang.
but steve's solution is "lock 'em up and force them to take drugs that will make them obese." if americastan weren't such a shithole country there'd be a lot fewer crazy people.
philosemitism is a mental illness steve.
such a boomer loser.
sad.Replies: @Carol, @Ralph L
The Medicare/Medicaid act defunded the hospitals in favor of community based services.
And here we are.
The mom group of 1 or 2 kids. Not +3 traditional fertility.
Nah. A legit cop or even a security guard would have kept the peace better.
Thing is, Michael was a gentle guy who wouldn’t hurt anyone without a good reason.
Yeah, that's always the story. Until it isn't. Then you know what? Gentle guys can do a lot of damage in a short time...and oddly enough, Liberals like you are never around the scene for very long when it all goes down. By the way, what you are pimping is a form jail-yard hierarchy. So I guess you never read John Stuart Mill?
Dude. I know real cops who get to go down under the freeway to talk to the homeless guys. Their actual experience doesn't quite match with your story. Sometimes bums will just move on.... sometimes a mix of pepper spray and Tazer is barely enough to get a gentle guy out of a flood zone.
There's one more option, of course: citizens tell bums to get lost, and the cops back them up. Of course to see that in action, we'd need a time machine. But that is how things worked prior to the cult of the expert and the therapy-state.Replies: @Gamecock, @Anonymous
No, it’s working in MAGA land. Bum hits a woman. Two people draw their guns and shoot him dead on the ground.
Cop asks them,
“Because he was hitting that woman.”
Oh, okay. Thanks!
Outside of your own imagination, where did / does this happen?Replies: @Gamecock
Great post, but I think that IQ level is grossly exaggerated.
If this guy were legit he’d be helping you in private not trying to dunk on you in public. We’ll need men like him (and Chamberlain) on our side to win, but reality will have to take care of that. They aren’t yet. Be smart.
In nyc, when publicly shamed, the accused tend to close their eyes very tightly, double down, and see what happens. Even if they’re a city council candidate with a horrific sadomasochism video floating about the internets during your campaign. And an unfortunate last name…
Yang should do the same. Perhaps his digression having something to do with being on the plus side of public morals will deliver him from his critics.
Probably won’t work that way for Weiner, tho…
https://nypost.com/2021/06/19/nyc-council-candidate-caught-with-dominatrix-in-leaked-bdsm-video/
Let’s take a stab at that. Some numbers are here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City#White_ancestries
Whites are 45% of the NYC population and non-Hispanic whites are 35%. Jews are a bit under 15% of the population, so that leaves 20% non-Hispanic, non-Jewish white (assuming basically all NYC Jews are also census white). Some of those 15% will be immigrants or the children of immigrants from the post-Soviet sphere (but some of those will have already been counted among the Jews), and some others will be highly paid professionals and academics coming from from Canada, Australia, UK, etc.
So that still leaves around 15% non-Hispanic, non-Jewish white, with probably all four grandparents born in America. That’s a 1.2 million people of Irish, Italian, German, Polish, Greek, etc. ancestry, whose heritage in this country probably goes back more than 100 years.
So again, for your guesstimated 1.2 million Ellis Island 'murricans, the remaining White Americans should give a flying rodent's posterior about that abomination of a city?
If New York and all its denizens vanished tomorrow, along with D.C. and most of California, many millions wouldn't shed a tear.
To escape criticism, this measure would have had to be sold as solely for the benefit of the mentally ill; probably castigating normal people for some moral crime as part of the pitch.
Moral narcissism is so strong now, the same measure can elicit opposite reactions, depending on how plausibly it allows those who support it to claim uncommon virtue.
The interesting question therefore is: why do so many people need such frequent moral validation?Replies: @Greta Handel, @TTSSYF, @slumber_j, @Dieter Kief, @prime noticer, @Desiderius
They stopped worshipping God.
but steve's solution is "lock 'em up and force them to take drugs that will make them obese." if americastan weren't such a shithole country there'd be a lot fewer crazy people.
philosemitism is a mental illness steve.
such a boomer loser.
sad.Replies: @Carol, @Ralph L
It started with JFK.
The Homeless didn’t become a cause until Reagan, when they were a convenient weapon, instantly forgotten when a Dem ascends.
Overt violence might be more common with black street people, but anecdotally there are now legions of white street people in many cities who bring squalor, panhandling of varying degrees, theft, public disorder, visual blight, and intoxication wherever they are found.
Whites have certainly failed to manage their own misfits over the last 50 years, and this would’ve been true even in the absence of blacks. After all, neo-liberal neglect of the vulnerable can be seen in decaying white “communities” and “families” everywhere, and was already quite visible by the 80’s when this was still a white country.
They don’t acknowledge two factors: that high risk lifestyle is associated with harm, and who is perpetrating the violence.
I assume you have never actually been to NYC. It is still a very white city in the parts of the city that matter. And certainly New York City is still primarily „heritage Americans“ by your definition, including Italians in Staten Island, Jews in Manhattan, Irish in Queens, etc. If you use the real definition - Americans of English and/or Dutch descent whose ancestors arrived before 1776, then yes, you are right.Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar
In 2002, I met an officer of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society who said her family had been in the city for thirteen consecutive generations. So there are still some around. Many who move there from other states have New Amsterdam ancestry of which they might be unaware. That would have been true of my father, sent there by the Coast Guard during or before the Second World War.
Don’t forget the copious intermarriage of the last century. People with exotic surnames could easily be Mayflower descendants or their Virginia, New Netherland, or Penn-sylvania equivalents.
When he was running for POTUS, Yang sounded like a typical batshit crazy whack job. Here he is talking some sense, but naturally the Fake News Industry edited his comments to make him appear mean-spirited. It was nothing of the sort, but that doesn’t, and never will, stop the Lame Stream Media from advancing The Agenda: a complete lack of accountability for any criminal, mentally ill or not.
I’m rather pro-natalist. I have all kinds of weird ideas for how to achieve them, there’s the bog-standard bachelor/bachelorette tax, private arbitration of divorce cases, criminal punishment of adulterers, plus more out-there ideas: https://alexanderturok.wordpress.com/2020/06/04/a-modest-proposal-to-increase-fertility-rates/
What I object to here is the accelerationist we-win-when-we-lose mentality. Family-oriented people often leave the cities, some of that is the simple desire for space. A lot of it is due to the crime and homelessness and mismanagement of the cities. If not for that, they would have preferred to stay in the city, particularly in cases like NYC where regional identities are strong. And then you get people saying “oh, your hometown got destroyed and you had to leave, that’s actually a victory for us, look at all the Leftists still living there who are suffering!” It would be one thing if this were a permanent, Greece and Turkey style population transfer and separation. But consider that right now some ACLU lawyers are working right now on the case that laws against camping in public parks are unconstitutional.
Highly unlikely given the low rate of exogamy of males with “exotic” European surnames relative to those with Anglo/Germanic surnames.
It’s almost like the idiots of UNZ have no quantitative intelligence or awareness of any kind.
This looks like the paper.
Violence and mental illness: an overview
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
The PubMed link might be useful as well (e.g. for citing papers).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16946914/
The abstract includes the line you mention.
First, note this caveat which I suspect explains all.
This is interesting. I think that last sentence means someone might want to spend a little time thinking more about direction of causality. I wonder if the difference in victimization rates remains the same if other covariates are added to the model (e.g. race).
And here are some numbers. I wonder what percentage of mentally ill people do and do not abuse substances concurrently. Seems interesting to me that they do not discuss that. (this page gives some numbers, they estimate 9.8 million US adults with a serious mental illness (SMI) and 2.3 million with co-occurring SMI and substance use disorder (SUD))
That said, this from you is spot on.
If, as per the excerpt., mentally ill people are victimised because they live in high crime areas, this suggests to me their figures should have been compared to other inhabitants of the high crime areas, not the general population. Am I missing something?Replies: @res
Of course, plenty of them enjoy their freedom to camp wherever and be stoned all day. It would be fine with me if the city designated an out-of-the-way place where they can camp legally and be subject to the same sanitary laws as the rest of us. Spreading trash, disease, and drugs all around my nice town should never be tolerated.Replies: @njguy73
Malcolm Gladwell once wrote a New Yorker piece called “Million Dollar Murray.” It was about a homeless guy who staggered drunk around Reno for ten years, going in and out of jail, costing the taxpayers seven figures over the time. It would have been cheaper to put him up in an apartment with a nurse to watch over him.
The NY Times takes any criticism of the mentally ill very personally – for a reason.
In other words, running for office.
Are they actually crazy? Or are they just feral? A bear, or a rattlesnake, or a snapping turtle, or even a goose - all of these animals will attack you if you get to close to them. Are they crazy? Obviously not, it's simply their nature.
"who should be locked up until they stop being a menace to society."
No - they should be returned to their ancestral homelands, where they can be free to live as they are meant to. Nobody says we have to keep this tiger in his cage until he learns to stop eating people. It is known that a tiger will always be true to his nature.
" Jermaine “Free Hugs” Himmelstein, who had been for years punching white girls in Times Square and Washington Square who turned down his offer of free hugs..."
This piece of shit isn't crazy. Crazy people don't establish a pattern of behavior and target the same type of victim. He raged against white women because he wanted them but could not have them, just like the ugly Asian opinion writers the NYT who lambast white men because the one they had a crush on in college didn't want to aggressively bed them.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alden, @Dumbo, @Jeff
I also remember a Black guy in front the Chinese Theatre in Hollywood who offered “free hugs” and pictures, and then threatened violence if you didn’t pay. Everybody knew this but no one did anything for years… Because “he Black”. Lots of Blacks and in particular homeless Blacks are into some form of veiled threats. Of course, there are also those who are really insane, or perhaps drugged, Black, White or Asian, who hear voices and can push you under the train in the subway station if you’re distracted.
One of the disadvantages of smartphones is that now you don’t know if a person who appears to be talking loudly to himself is a dangerous psychotic that you should avoid, or just someone talking to his ex on the phone with headphones.
Memorable New York Post headline:
” HUGS THUG SLUGS MUGS “.
Violence and mental illness: an overview
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
The PubMed link might be useful as well (e.g. for citing papers).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16946914/
The abstract includes the line you mention.First, note this caveat which I suspect explains all.This is interesting. I think that last sentence means someone might want to spend a little time thinking more about direction of causality. I wonder if the difference in victimization rates remains the same if other covariates are added to the model (e.g. race).And here are some numbers. I wonder what percentage of mentally ill people do and do not abuse substances concurrently. Seems interesting to me that they do not discuss that. (this page gives some numbers, they estimate 9.8 million US adults with a serious mental illness (SMI) and 2.3 million with co-occurring SMI and substance use disorder (SUD))That said, this from you is spot on.Replies: @photondancer
Thanks res, I will have a look. Good pickup in differentiating substance abuse issues from psychosis, though they do blur into one another.
If, as per the excerpt., mentally ill people are victimised because they live in high crime areas, this suggests to me their figures should have been compared to other inhabitants of the high crime areas, not the general population. Am I missing something?
Really not liking this thing where pedophilia is at worst controversial, promiscuous condomless gay stranger sex is beyond criticism, and all other sex acts are right where they were in the days of Jonathan Edwards. How do more people not simply call the bluff?
The CEO of Whole Foods was caught sock puppeting his corporate interests on forums (dissing unionization, etc), and a while back Alex Jones described a disturbing nudge practice where a Whole Foods clerk walks up to you and judges of your latest cart addition, “That’s a wise choice.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/technology/16blog.html
The only downsides to a rabbit:
The urine pretty much works like cat urine (loudness, frequency).
They are somewhat weak and still unfamiliar animals. In your area the vet might not be as familiar with them as with more common pets.
They will need a vet when they get older and they are not hardy — proper procedure could kill them.
They are totally incompatible with electrical wiring.
Other than that they are ideal pets for many situations.
There’s a recall effort against Los Angeles city council critter Bonin. It seems that all the people who bought homes in Venice and Mar Vista hoping they’d rise in value because near the beach are upset about the unsightly deranged drugged drunken homeless ruining the neighborhood.
And they expect him to do something. He’s a Marxist jew homosexual, heir to 140 years of Marxist anti American Jew liberalism. Now he’s being recalled because of the results of 140 years of Jewish Bolshevism.Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar
Of the people who would previously have been committed to an asylum, I would not be surprised if 90% can manage under the new arrangements. The problem we have is that we did not close 90% of the asylums, we closed nearly 100%. If somebody cannot cope in "the community", then they need to be placed in an asylum (or whatever the polite term is nowadays).Replies: @Jonathan Mason
Asylum is actually a polite term, but these days they call them State hospitals. State hospitals tend to contain a lot of forensic (criminally insane) patients.
The ability of drugs to contain antisocial behavior of psychotic patients was always exaggerated by politicians. Drugs do dampen down more Florida symptoms
However when I worked in the field of mental health I always used to say that the reason people were in mental hospitals was very rarely due to symptoms, because symptoms could be treated at home with pills by anybody and did not need a licensed nurse to give them pills.
However almost everybody who was in a mental hospital had symptoms plus some kind of antisocial behavior disorder.
Patients could be discharged from a mental hospital to a supervised apartment in the community, sure, but if they blocked the flush toilet with their socks and then flooded the apartment, landlords would soon lose patience with them. Likewise if they set the place on fire by smoking in bed.
Patients can also be discharged to the families, but may become violent when a supervising family member tries to give them medication and they refuse it. Families have usually experienced many years of violent confrontations which may have started in the teens, and as the parents get older, they have simply had enough.
And many relatives did not or could not take an insane dangerous person into their home, especially if they had children or no room.
What do you mean that “China really opened up for her”?
His wife and her entire clan were looking for an American spouse to use the next time the wheel of fortune turned and the clan were destined for prison labor camps and execution by the next clan that clawed and connived to power.
And so another marriage of convenience happened. They probably already own apartment houses in Vancouver and San Francisco. With at least one unit all furnished and ready for the next time the wheel of fortune turns.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
The ability of drugs to contain antisocial behavior of psychotic patients was always exaggerated by politicians. Drugs do dampen down more Florida symptoms
However when I worked in the field of mental health I always used to say that the reason people were in mental hospitals was very rarely due to symptoms, because symptoms could be treated at home with pills by anybody and did not need a licensed nurse to give them pills.
However almost everybody who was in a mental hospital had symptoms plus some kind of antisocial behavior disorder.
Patients could be discharged from a mental hospital to a supervised apartment in the community, sure, but if they blocked the flush toilet with their socks and then flooded the apartment, landlords would soon lose patience with them. Likewise if they set the place on fire by smoking in bed.
Patients can also be discharged to the families, but may become violent when a supervising family member tries to give them medication and they refuse it. Families have usually experienced many years of violent confrontations which may have started in the teens, and as the parents get older, they have simply had enough.Replies: @Gamecock, @Alden
. . . and there is no guarantee that the outpatient nut will take his meds.
Agree completely. If any laws ordinances or rules were rigorously enforced one demographic would be disproportionately affected. That’s what I always tell liberals about their favorite solution to crime; gun control.
If all the gun control laws were enforced the prisons would be even fuller of blacks than they are now. Especially the gun control laws in the big crime ridden northern cities. Most liberals are shocked to learn most, or almost all the guns used in crime were obtained on the informal market. As in stolen. From stolen in a home burglary or from a warehouse or hi jacked truck or army base. That’s even in domestic crimes. What demographic is more apt to grab a gun or kitchen knife to make a point during a domestic squabble? The demographic that buys stolen guns. Or finds a gun in a burglary or car break in.
He speaks very well.
I got a survey call about Gascon. I responded very unfavorable opinion about him and very favorable about the county sheriff leading the recall, Villanueva. Than she asked my opinion of BLM. When I replied; they should all be exterminated and the bodies dumped for the sharks to eat she hung up.
There’s a recall effort against Los Angeles city council critter Bonin. It seems that all the people who bought homes in Venice and Mar Vista hoping they’d rise in value because near the beach are upset about the unsightly deranged drugged drunken homeless ruining the neighborhood.
And they expect him to do something. He’s a Marxist jew homosexual, heir to 140 years of Marxist anti American Jew liberalism. Now he’s being recalled because of the results of 140 years of Jewish Bolshevism.
In answer to your reply about the NYC mental heath money, no, I'm not talking $900,000. It was $900,000,000 or so. You can find the news about it from a couple of articles many months ago by John Derbyshire.
BTW, where are you and Rosie (and our two "Paleos") on the inherent misogyny of the "Karen" meme?
So now we know all about supply and demand. Not just a loser who couldn’t find a job in America but another bitter divorcee. Don’t they have support groups in Manchuria where divorced people can get together and endlessly relive the trauma?
@97 anon[255]: If you choose to continue to labor under the illusion that there is still such a thing as the United States, and that such a nation not only exists but its situation can be ameliorated, then you need far more help than anyone can offer you here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City#White_ancestries
Whites are 45% of the NYC population and non-Hispanic whites are 35%. Jews are a bit under 15% of the population, so that leaves 20% non-Hispanic, non-Jewish white (assuming basically all NYC Jews are also census white). Some of those 15% will be immigrants or the children of immigrants from the post-Soviet sphere (but some of those will have already been counted among the Jews), and some others will be highly paid professionals and academics coming from from Canada, Australia, UK, etc.
So that still leaves around 15% non-Hispanic, non-Jewish white, with probably all four grandparents born in America. That's a 1.2 million people of Irish, Italian, German, Polish, Greek, etc. ancestry, whose heritage in this country probably goes back more than 100 years.Replies: @3g4me
@125 anonymous[397]: Let’s run with your estimate of perhaps 15% White European Americans in New York (although I think said estimate is much too generous). They choose to live amongst the world’s flotsam and jetsam. They economically support all the parasites. They never moved beyond their immigrant ancestors’ who got off the boats and stayed in the city. They weren’t farmers or settlers. They have mostly married within their ethnic group and their ‘American’ identity is no deeper than their ‘New York’ identity – i.e. they will fit right into the stereotype the Hollywood Juice slot them into in their movies.
So again, for your guesstimated 1.2 million Ellis Island ‘murricans, the remaining White Americans should give a flying rodent’s posterior about that abomination of a city?
If New York and all its denizens vanished tomorrow, along with D.C. and most of California, many millions wouldn’t shed a tear.
Norms may have changed but I don’t think that you will find State mental hospitals permitting black on black murder on campus. At least not in most States.
Or cigarette smoking. Or patients using cell phones to send each other pictures of their private parts. Or patients using cell phones to harass local businesses or private individuals.
Mental hospitals actually very sensitive about anything happening on their campuses that will alienate the voters who provide the money, or alienate the politicians on whose support they depend.
Another reason for deinstitutionalization and closure of mental hospitals that I did not mention before is that states hate having to deal with lawsuits and liability when darling Johnny breaks his leg while riding a bicycle on the hospital grounds, or darling Katie gets gang-raped by six boyfriends in the unisex bathroom, and nobody knows who the father is.
The states would much rather fob off this responsibility to commercial entities who are contracted to run the facilities, or NGOs, so as to dodge liability issues. Same goes for prisons, for that matter.
Times have changed since then. But the state mental hospitals closed before the law changed to make state and government institutions liable in some but not all cases.
Checking with Google, bing and other search engines can be very helpful to avoid making factual mistakes
If all the gun control laws were enforced the prisons would be even fuller of blacks than they are now. Especially the gun control laws in the big crime ridden northern cities. Most liberals are shocked to learn most, or almost all the guns used in crime were obtained on the informal market. As in stolen. From stolen in a home burglary or from a warehouse or hi jacked truck or army base. That’s even in domestic crimes. What demographic is more apt to grab a gun or kitchen knife to make a point during a domestic squabble? The demographic that buys stolen guns. Or finds a gun in a burglary or car break in.Replies: @Jonathan Mason
I thought guns were supposed to deter burglars. Like garlic for evil spirits.
https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/1406008638913798145
https://twitter.com/Anthrofuentes/status/1406008765279780866Fuentes then seems to change his mind about digging into Murray's data downloads, and pivots to his go-to argument that race is not biological and is just so, so complex that the likes of you could never understand it.https://twitter.com/Anthrofuentes/status/1406008765279780866So Fuentes is saying that IQ is biological, and "race" isn't, so how could there be any relation? You can get the feel of this line of argument in his recent conversation with Robert Wright:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRLlBjNte78Fuentes was going after Murray years ago. Below (at 53:00) he did the opposing response to Charles Murray after Murray spoke at Notre Dame about his (relatively noncontroversial) book Coming Apart. Nicholas Wade and A Troublesome Inheritance also comes up. Murray likes it, Fuentes hates it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDeBL6FuP0Fuentes shouts out from the audience a couple of times during the Q and A. From the Bloggingheads appearance with Wright, his sharp corners appear to have been smoothed off a bit.Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @anonymous
Charles Murray is going to be interviewed by Glenn Loury very soon. Should be an interesting discussion.
In the hands of a human, they do. That’s why burglars choose unoccupied targets.
If they let him go, it is either because the units for the criminally insane are full, or because letting him go is what they actually want.Replies: @Jack D
assume that he is black. Therefore locking up such people is racis’ and we can’t do it any more.
Given that Whole Foods has been just another part of Amazon since 2017, none of this should be a surprise.
Cop asks them,"Because he was hitting that woman."
Oh, okay. Thanks!Replies: @anon
No, it’s working in MAGA land. Bum hits a woman. Two people draw their guns and shoot him dead on the ground.
Outside of your own imagination, where did / does this happen?
"An armed society is a polite society."Replies: @anon
Oh, and Mr. Yang doesn't understand what rights are all about, but that's to be expected. See "Citizenship in the Nation".Replies: @Alden
Not exactly. Deblackio’s wife got 900K of the taxpayers money to somehow “ support” the mental health of all mothers of new born babies. The money wasn’t for mother’s with pre existing mental health issues or hormone swings from coming down from the happy happy happy pregnancy hormones.
It wasn’t for any kind of new mom’s support groups. Or free baby clothes diapers cribs etc. Or visiting nurses to give the vaccinations weigh the babys, standard pre natal care. Ir free cab service to Drs. Or baby sitting and baby sitting referrals. Or classes in taking care of new borns Which should really be taken well in advance. Or coupons for coffee and putting the babies in strollers and meeting other mommies at Macdonald’s (Hispanic) or Starbucks (White) for coffee and a chat in the mornings.
No one knows where the money went. But for sure, not one new mommy or baby or their families benefitted in the slightest way.
In America Burglaries occur when no one is home to grab their gun and shoot the burglars. When anyone is in the home, it’s the crime of Home Invasion which is a more serious felony.
Which is why burglary of homes and businesses are out of control in the UK and comparatively rare in America. Plus, burglary requires some planning and actions of which the average American black criminal is incapable of.
BTW, it’s 2020, not 1960. Why do you keep commenting about mental health facilities of 50, 60 years ago?
The American Supreme Court closed down the entire public state and county mental hospitals in 1975, O’Connor vs Donaldson. The mentally ill were put on the Greyhound buses to the bus stations in the nearest big city with nothing but the clothes they were wearing. County and city social services weren’t notified that thousands were arriving. Another example of rule by unelected judges with no responsibility of carrying out their orders.
One area is in providing psycho geriatric care for people with mental illness history, because various laws forbid the mixing of patients in institutions who have organic senile dementias such as Alzheimer's with people who are mentally ill.
Communities across the US also have Mental Health Stabilization Units where people who are acutely psychotic may be taken for anything from a couple of days up to several weeks, but they do not provide long-term residency.
Most former hospital mental patients are supported in the community by ACT teams, with varying degrees of success.
The story about mental patients en masse being dropped off at Greyhound bus stations when the mental hospitals closed is probably journalistic hyperbole.
Even today when prisoners reached the end of sentence (EOS) they are taken to a bus station, but the reason for this is the they have been provided with a ticket to travel back to the place where they will be receiving aftercare.
I was actually involved as an executive member of a management team that closed down a mental hospital over the course of 2 years around the year 2000, and every single individual patient was assessed by a discharge and rehabilitation team and a plan was tailored to meet their needs in the best way possible. There was no dumping of people at bus stations. Everybody had a month's supply of medication when they left and had follow-up appointments with a prescriber before they left, and a place to live.
Or cigarette smoking. Or patients using cell phones to send each other pictures of their private parts. Or patients using cell phones to harass local businesses or private individuals.
Mental hospitals actually very sensitive about anything happening on their campuses that will alienate the voters who provide the money, or alienate the politicians on whose support they depend.
Another reason for deinstitutionalization and closure of mental hospitals that I did not mention before is that states hate having to deal with lawsuits and liability when darling Johnny breaks his leg while riding a bicycle on the hospital grounds, or darling Katie gets gang-raped by six boyfriends in the unisex bathroom, and nobody knows who the father is.
The states would much rather fob off this responsibility to commercial entities who are contracted to run the facilities, or NGOs, so as to dodge liability issues. Same goes for prisons, for that matter.Replies: @Alden
At the time; 1975-1980 when state mental hospitals were closed down by the satanic supremes, state institutions were immune from civil liability. And had always been immune from civil liability as government agencies had always been.
Times have changed since then. But the state mental hospitals closed before the law changed to make state and government institutions liable in some but not all cases.
Checking with Google, bing and other search engines can be very helpful to avoid making factual mistakes
Nah. A legit cop or even a security guard would have kept the peace better.
Thing is, Michael was a gentle guy who wouldn’t hurt anyone without a good reason.
Yeah, that's always the story. Until it isn't. Then you know what? Gentle guys can do a lot of damage in a short time...and oddly enough, Liberals like you are never around the scene for very long when it all goes down. By the way, what you are pimping is a form jail-yard hierarchy. So I guess you never read John Stuart Mill?
Dude. I know real cops who get to go down under the freeway to talk to the homeless guys. Their actual experience doesn't quite match with your story. Sometimes bums will just move on.... sometimes a mix of pepper spray and Tazer is barely enough to get a gentle guy out of a flood zone.
There's one more option, of course: citizens tell bums to get lost, and the cops back them up. Of course to see that in action, we'd need a time machine. But that is how things worked prior to the cult of the expert and the therapy-state.Replies: @Gamecock, @Anonymous
Yes, farmers know it’s always the quiet “friendly” bull that ends up killing someone. You need to stay away from all crazies just like you need to stay away from all bulls. Don’t relax around either, no matter how “friendly”.
This sort of reminds me of the Norm McDonald bit on gay pride.
He means he and his daughter arrived in China on some kind of one year English teacher and dependent visa. He needed permanent residency for himself and dependent child.
His wife and her entire clan were looking for an American spouse to use the next time the wheel of fortune turned and the clan were destined for prison labor camps and execution by the next clan that clawed and connived to power.
And so another marriage of convenience happened. They probably already own apartment houses in Vancouver and San Francisco. With at least one unit all furnished and ready for the next time the wheel of fortune turns.
Guns are inanimate objects and do nothing by themselves. Gun owners deter crime. They (the gun owners) generally must be present to convince an attacking criminal to run away.
Whole Foods employees are part time minimum wage young liberal White men college grads. They’re so brain washed they think they’re lucky to have any kind of job. Many have STEM degrees and just can’t understand that STEM jobs are reserved for Chinese and Indian immigrants. It’s not your grandpa’s HR department any more.
Contrast them with the unionized well paid Asians Filipino Hispanic bare minimum of blacks middle aged home owning life long career employees of the big chains that cater to the working, middle and not neurotic upper middle class customers.
I do buy all meat and fish from a very expensive small market. And 91 percent European butter and cheese from the Kosher market But I refuse to enter Whole Foods Gelsen’s Bristol Farms or any other pretentious liberal institution.
That's the way to do it. Cheap meat is bad meat.
https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2017/nsf17310/static/digest/png/fig5a.png
White liberal men own you, Alden.
The ability of drugs to contain antisocial behavior of psychotic patients was always exaggerated by politicians. Drugs do dampen down more Florida symptoms
However when I worked in the field of mental health I always used to say that the reason people were in mental hospitals was very rarely due to symptoms, because symptoms could be treated at home with pills by anybody and did not need a licensed nurse to give them pills.
However almost everybody who was in a mental hospital had symptoms plus some kind of antisocial behavior disorder.
Patients could be discharged from a mental hospital to a supervised apartment in the community, sure, but if they blocked the flush toilet with their socks and then flooded the apartment, landlords would soon lose patience with them. Likewise if they set the place on fire by smoking in bed.
Patients can also be discharged to the families, but may become violent when a supervising family member tries to give them medication and they refuse it. Families have usually experienced many years of violent confrontations which may have started in the teens, and as the parents get older, they have simply had enough.Replies: @Gamecock, @Alden
When America closed down the mental hospitals 1975 pursuant to O’Connor vs Donaldson patients weren’t discharged to families. Some families received postcards 2 to 7 months after discharge stating their relative had been discharged on a certain date. Since the postcards were sent to addresses on intake forms dated years before, many relatives had no idea what was happening.
And many relatives did not or could not take an insane dangerous person into their home, especially if they had children or no room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o20tk-QrZiEReplies: @Anon
Oh yeah? Well, she still ugly.
Jesus, lots of pearl clutching going on today. It’s NYC for gawd’s sake. 99.5% of us live where our cops would lock these psychopaths up. If NYC wants to foul their streets let them. Who cares? Y’all, some of yez, act like NYC matters. It doesn’t, they hate every one of us, why do you care? The more their misery the better. Innocent victims my ass. There are no innocents, none. They set this shit in motion, let them experience it first.
If, as per the excerpt., mentally ill people are victimised because they live in high crime areas, this suggests to me their figures should have been compared to other inhabitants of the high crime areas, not the general population. Am I missing something?Replies: @res
Thanks. To my mind the scam lies in looking at the mentally ill who do not have a substance abuse problem and using that subset to draw their conclusions about the “mentally ill.”
I agree with you. I don’t think they did that. That was the kind of thing I meant by my “covariate” complaint.
Don’t forget, pedophilia is the worst thing ever when it can be used to take down the Boy Scouts or the Catholic church. Not so much when the establishment “elite” are involved.
Thanks. 2007 NYT article on the Whole Foods CEO sock puppeting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/technology/16blog.html
Rational from a selfish standpoint, rational from a tribal standpoint, rational given that Whites are morally “bad,” and rational given that blacks have been victimized by White oppression. What is crazy about it?Replies: @Dissident
Where does it get the perpetrator? Where does it get his tribe?
Street cred.
Where does it get his tribe?
Control of turf. Or if you prefer, Lebensraum.
You could read the book of Joshua for a more dramatic version.
I do buy all meat and fish from a very expensive small market.
That’s the way to do it. Cheap meat is bad meat.
Are they actually crazy? Or are they just feral? A bear, or a rattlesnake, or a snapping turtle, or even a goose - all of these animals will attack you if you get to close to them. Are they crazy? Obviously not, it's simply their nature.
"who should be locked up until they stop being a menace to society."
No - they should be returned to their ancestral homelands, where they can be free to live as they are meant to. Nobody says we have to keep this tiger in his cage until he learns to stop eating people. It is known that a tiger will always be true to his nature.
" Jermaine “Free Hugs” Himmelstein, who had been for years punching white girls in Times Square and Washington Square who turned down his offer of free hugs..."
This piece of shit isn't crazy. Crazy people don't establish a pattern of behavior and target the same type of victim. He raged against white women because he wanted them but could not have them, just like the ugly Asian opinion writers the NYT who lambast white men because the one they had a crush on in college didn't want to aggressively bed them.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alden, @Dumbo, @Jeff
I’d say you hit the nail on the head.
He phrased it badly. There’s a difference between mentally ill people and the criminal insane. Obviously, the criminally insane need to be moved to a better environment as he said. But determining that somebody is mentally ill and needs to be euphemistically moved to a better environment, without that person having actually committed any violent crime, is definitively uncool.
I don’t know how the system works. If somebody is determined to be mentally ill after having committed a crime and is therefore allowed back on to the streets without psychiatric help, that is a problem. But simply removing all the weirdos from the streets of New York because they creep out people and his wife’s “mom group” (who themselves are among the creepiest most intolerant and totalitarian people around) is it self criminal and counter-constitutional.
And, I assume he just phrased it badly and isn’t saying that weirdos, as determined by his wife’s mom group, would be indeterminately picked up and shipped off to a padded room. Really though, referencing his wife’s mom group is pretty triggering to just about everyone who doesn’t want them to be deciding who gets to have rights in this country.
The free hugs dude is still around. I tried talking to him, curious about how he keeps getting out of jail and still getting away with walking around doing his thing, but he didn’t really want to engage.
Back when I was in New York about 5 years ago I ran into him in Union Square and he seemed pretty legit. I mean, legit as in he wants to hug white girls and then guilt them into giving money, but that was obvious enough on its face that any white girl in New York who goes for it is the kind of person who imposes that sort of crap on the rest of us and deserves what she gets.
But a few weeks ago in Washington Square when I saw him and tried speaking to him, his mein was quite different.
He circles the water fountain holding his sign with clenched teeth and staring people down. I did not see him get any hugs. I don’t know what his deal is, but the fact that he might get violent isn’t quite as below the surface as it used to be. I’m still incredibly humored by the fact that he’s able to get away with continuing to do this.
Then again, a nut job in the subway shouting scary shit turns out to be somebody who pushed a stranger onup the tracks a couple of weeks prior (when there was no train there and he was able to crawl out) I was back at it again, yelling like a madman on pcp.
The free hugs guy however is hardly anonymous, gets in trouble for doing precisely this over and over, and it’s still able to come up very publicly, do it again! Not sure what to make of it.
Whole lotta white woman cope in this post. Despite making up only about 30% of the US population, white men are 49% of STEM employees.
White liberal men own you, Alden.
We’re not all shocked and appalled. We’re gloating.
Typical response, blame the victim. I can’t believe there are actually people here agreeing with you. Vast majority of childless or unmarried women don’t do that by choice. Some had trouble conceiving, others did not meet the right man, many were married to men who don’t want children. What a horrible comment.
About the article: Andrew Yang is exactly right. We need to bring back psychiatric wards to take care of the mentally ill. It is the humane thing to do for society.
But let's get real, you understand why people agreed with him, because you know he's right. Fuck the "victims" -- they have destroyed our country and so they must now get the punishment that they deserve. Any woman who hasn't had more than 3 kids is guilty.
In what part of the country do we lock up the mentally ill? I thought they made it a federal law to ban all insane asylums? This is happening all over the country, in all cities, not just NYC. Come to the west coast, plenty of crazies and drug addicts roaming our streets. We don’t just need psychiatric wards, we also need drug rehabilitation centers or jail for the drug addicts, like what they do in Rhode Island, it’ll actually save their lives.
> Many pointed out research that shows people with serious mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violent crime — not perpetrators.
That’s true, the homeless are vicious to each other, particularly the few women are subject to rape, living on the streets is hell, not romantic. As low IQ correlates with violence that’s no surprise. They need to be protected both from themselves and from narcissistic do-gooders, corrupt bullshit academics, and equally corrupt bullshit bureaucrats with sick schemes who constantly make things worse for everybody.
It's almost like the idiots of UNZ have no quantitative intelligence or awareness of any kind.Replies: @Hibernian
Any recent data on this? Seems like a pre-1970 perspective.
Back when I was in New York about 5 years ago I ran into him in Union Square and he seemed pretty legit. I mean, legit as in he wants to hug white girls and then guilt them into giving money, but that was obvious enough on its face that any white girl in New York who goes for it is the kind of person who imposes that sort of crap on the rest of us and deserves what she gets.
But a few weeks ago in Washington Square when I saw him and tried speaking to him, his mein was quite different.
He circles the water fountain holding his sign with clenched teeth and staring people down. I did not see him get any hugs. I don't know what his deal is, but the fact that he might get violent isn't quite as below the surface as it used to be. I'm still incredibly humored by the fact that he's able to get away with continuing to do this.
Then again, a nut job in the subway shouting scary shit turns out to be somebody who pushed a stranger onup the tracks a couple of weeks prior (when there was no train there and he was able to crawl out) I was back at it again, yelling like a madman on pcp.
The free hugs guy however is hardly anonymous, gets in trouble for doing precisely this over and over, and it's still able to come up very publicly, do it again! Not sure what to make of it.Replies: @Anonymous
I recall one of our NYC posters said that he actually doesn’t mind this kind of low-level street harassment too much, because the locals know how to avoid it, and it discourages outsiders from moving to the city and driving rents through the roof.
This is what we call a non-sequitur. If the response was typical, you shouldn’t be surprised that there are people who agree with it.
But let’s get real, you understand why people agreed with him, because you know he’s right. Fuck the “victims” — they have destroyed our country and so they must now get the punishment that they deserve. Any woman who hasn’t had more than 3 kids is guilty.
Whistling past the graveyard.
Let's create a 'Devil's Land' where neutered and hister-ectomied people can have a 'free' society, separate from ours. This for life. Free beer!Replies: @tyrone, @Servant of Gla'aki
This is why Trump wanted Greenland.
Outside of your own imagination, where did / does this happen?Replies: @Gamecock
South Carolina. 10% of the people have concealed carry permits. In any group of people, someone, likely two or more, will have a gun. Violence will be confronted. That’s why we don’t have much violence.
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Cool. So you have a headline, or better still a police report to back this up?
I refresh your memory with your claim:I did a search and found nothing. But I'm sure you aren't just making up gun-store-commando tales, are you? Of course not.
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Leave Heinlein and another late, great old guy out of this. The topic is your...interesting...story.Replies: @Gamecock
"An armed society is a polite society."Replies: @anon
South Carolina.
Cool. So you have a headline, or better still a police report to back this up?
I refresh your memory with your claim:
I did a search and found nothing. But I’m sure you aren’t just making up gun-store-commando tales, are you? Of course not.
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Leave Heinlein and another late, great old guy out of this. The topic is your…interesting…story.
Where does it get the perpetrator?
Street cred.
Where does it get his tribe?
Control of turf. Or if you prefer, Lebensraum.
You could read the book of Joshua for a more dramatic version.
There’s a recall effort against Los Angeles city council critter Bonin. It seems that all the people who bought homes in Venice and Mar Vista hoping they’d rise in value because near the beach are upset about the unsightly deranged drugged drunken homeless ruining the neighborhood.
And they expect him to do something. He’s a Marxist jew homosexual, heir to 140 years of Marxist anti American Jew liberalism. Now he’s being recalled because of the results of 140 years of Jewish Bolshevism.Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar
That is completely untrue. There are still State hospitals open today, but there are fewer of them and the number of patients is probably lower.
One area is in providing psycho geriatric care for people with mental illness history, because various laws forbid the mixing of patients in institutions who have organic senile dementias such as Alzheimer’s with people who are mentally ill.
Communities across the US also have Mental Health Stabilization Units where people who are acutely psychotic may be taken for anything from a couple of days up to several weeks, but they do not provide long-term residency.
Most former hospital mental patients are supported in the community by ACT teams, with varying degrees of success.
The story about mental patients en masse being dropped off at Greyhound bus stations when the mental hospitals closed is probably journalistic hyperbole.
Even today when prisoners reached the end of sentence (EOS) they are taken to a bus station, but the reason for this is the they have been provided with a ticket to travel back to the place where they will be receiving aftercare.
I was actually involved as an executive member of a management team that closed down a mental hospital over the course of 2 years around the year 2000, and every single individual patient was assessed by a discharge and rehabilitation team and a plan was tailored to meet their needs in the best way possible. There was no dumping of people at bus stations. Everybody had a month’s supply of medication when they left and had follow-up appointments with a prescriber before they left, and a place to live.
Cool. So you have a headline, or better still a police report to back this up?
I refresh your memory with your claim:I did a search and found nothing. But I'm sure you aren't just making up gun-store-commando tales, are you? Of course not.
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Leave Heinlein and another late, great old guy out of this. The topic is your...interesting...story.Replies: @Gamecock
You go first, anon (if that’s your real name). Give me your tales of people hitting women in South Carolina.
There’s a recall effort against Los Angeles city council critter Bonin. It seems that all the people who bought homes in Venice and Mar Vista hoping they’d rise in value because near the beach are upset about the unsightly deranged drugged drunken homeless ruining the neighborhood.
And they expect him to do something. He’s a Marxist jew homosexual, heir to 140 years of Marxist anti American Jew liberalism. Now he’s being recalled because of the results of 140 years of Jewish Bolshevism.Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar
Haha, nice job on the phone there, Alden!
In answer to your reply about the NYC mental heath money, no, I’m not talking $900,000. It was $900,000,000 or so. You can find the news about it from a couple of articles many months ago by John Derbyshire.
There’s a recall effort against Los Angeles city council critter Bonin. It seems that all the people who bought homes in Venice and Mar Vista hoping they’d rise in value because near the beach are upset about the unsightly deranged drugged drunken homeless ruining the neighborhood.
And they expect him to do something. He’s a Marxist jew homosexual, heir to 140 years of Marxist anti American Jew liberalism. Now he’s being recalled because of the results of 140 years of Jewish Bolshevism.Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar
You left out Hispanic. He’s a native habañero. A Fourfer.
BTW, where are you and Rosie (and our two “Paleos”) on the inherent misogyny of the “Karen” meme?
His wife and her entire clan were looking for an American spouse to use the next time the wheel of fortune turned and the clan were destined for prison labor camps and execution by the next clan that clawed and connived to power.
And so another marriage of convenience happened. They probably already own apartment houses in Vancouver and San Francisco. With at least one unit all furnished and ready for the next time the wheel of fortune turns.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
You’ve got this guy pegged pretty well, Alden. About the only discrepancy I see is that he wrote that he or maybe the in-laws is/are buying apartments in NYC rather than the West coast. I think that is a mistake, but it’s not MY money obtained by selling Americans cheap China-made crap.
You go first, anon (if that’s your real name). Give me your tales of people hitting women in South Carolina.
Obviously logic is not your strength. You tell a story, you get to back it up. You can’t back it up, eh, it’s just another cool gunstore commando-bro story. Just more hot air.
Just. Hot. Air.
Guys like you are a real pain in the ass for the rest of us when we have to deal with legislative committees.