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  2. There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.

    Notice that these days most….all….of the focus on the so-called theft of Native American land is on land currently occupied by conservatives. So Mt Rushmore, though basically in the middle of nowhere, is more important than; say, California or New York City.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Wilkey

    So... what are you saying ... you don't want the beads anymore? You want that island back ... what are you, one of those Ind... uhh, Native American givers?

    , @Fluesterwitz
    @Wilkey

    Maybe I am a bit naive here but is it not the very point of virtue signalling to be seen going through the motions of making amends while avoiding any actual retribution?

    , @Known Fact
    @Wilkey

    We paid them for Manhattan

    , @Prester John
    @Wilkey

    "There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came."

    Absolutely spot-on. Home run!

    , @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.
     
    The concept of "indigenous" or "native" people owning their land, their nations is one that our "elites" decidedly do *not* want to explore.

    This sort of thing begins and ends at "white people bad".

    ~~~

    Sad to say, but at this point--given where America, and the West is headed--i'd be more than happy with a global rubric of "everyone has to go back".

    The American Indians could then decide, who--if anyone--they wanted around to help them.

    Worse case, the West would survive--in Europe. And the blight that certain peoples create would be much reduced. It would be a better world.

    Replies: @Alden

  3. If they ceded it to the Indians, the tribe would just keep the partk open as is and pocket the entrance fees, maybe adding a Lakota visitors center and museum that nobody would pay attention to. Also, there would be Mr. Rushmore-themed slot machines added.

    Any return of the land should be conditioned on the military first completely destroying the monument down to gravel. Give them the choice of a monumentless piece of real estate or $100,000,000 to shut up.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Anon


    Also, there would be Mr. Rushmore-themed slot machines added.
     
    What about no-tax cigarettes, liquor, and gasoline?
    , @Barnard
    @Anon

    The government already tried to give them a settlement for the Black Hills. There is over $1.3 billion in a trust to compensate the Lakota Sioux for treaty violations. Even though they have been dead broke for generations and most members are non functioning alcoholics they want the land. It was sacred to them so the leadership is holding out for it. Bill Bradley was a big proponent of giving it to them when he was in the Senate.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Anon

    That doesn't make any sense. Th monument is way more important than who owns the land. Let the Lakota administer it and collect fees. Who cares? Better than blowing it up, Taliban-style.

  4. Come to think of it, all these white people around are pretty offensive. What to do about them?

  5. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Does all of this boil down to Jewish envy and sexual insecurity vis-a-vis Northern European men?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    Also mental illness due to phtalates in drinking water and oversupply of low-quality people fighting for jobs at once-prestigious institutions.

  6. Rename it Mount Cisco and then it’d be untouchable.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Cortes

    Rename it Mt. Sinai and it would be untouchable...

    , @Cato
    @Cortes

    Rechisel George Washington into a fair likeness of MLK and it would be untouchable.

  7. @Anon
    If they ceded it to the Indians, the tribe would just keep the partk open as is and pocket the entrance fees, maybe adding a Lakota visitors center and museum that nobody would pay attention to. Also, there would be Mr. Rushmore-themed slot machines added.

    Any return of the land should be conditioned on the military first completely destroying the monument down to gravel. Give them the choice of a monumentless piece of real estate or $100,000,000 to shut up.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Barnard, @Chrisnonymous

    Also, there would be Mr. Rushmore-themed slot machines added.

    What about no-tax cigarettes, liquor, and gasoline?

  8. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:

    This is low-effort outrage. Nobody can maintain the appearance of seriousness railing against some mountains. Their heart isn’t in the anti-Rushmore phase, just sufficing for a harebrained diversion from evolving mass-media imagery of, say, West L.A. goldchainers rallying against Israel, a month after vibrants busted up Jewish shopkeepers’ windows in Fairfax. Good luck getting the latter to fit comfortably into a focus-grouped, rah-rah Black Power Capital Letters story; so they’re proceeding directly to the absurd.

    • Replies: @dvorak
    @Anonymous


    Nobody can maintain the appearance of seriousness railing against some mountains.
     
    What if it's a anchoring tactic?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_(cognitive_bias)

    "Wha??!? They're threatening Mount Rushmore?" "Well, I guess we can blow up Stone Mountain, if they leave us Mount Rushmore."
  9. There was a miniseries in the ’80s called Amerika, in which the Soviet Union had occupied the U.S. for 10 years. The Russians were still facing some resistance, so they debated things they could do to impress upon Americans that they were a defeated people. Blowing up Mount Rushmore would have worked as one of them.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Dave Pinsen

    Plot twist: They throw in the towel and sell everything to Zimbabwe, just keeping Alaska.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    Never saw the TV show, but it looks like a testament to how TV can take compelling subject matter and make it boring. Still, I give them credit though for 1) understanding that a few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike, and 2) perceiving how easily Abe Lincoln could be slotted into communist iconography. Even the real Lincoln Memorial can strike visitors as Stalinesque.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @captflee, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Ray P
    @Dave Pinsen

    Kris Kristofferson will save Amerika with folk-music. Karl Marx praised Abe Lincoln during the eighteen sixties; I believe on the event of his re-election to the presidency.

    Better Amerikarl or Amerikris than AmeriKKKa, eh?

    , @Gilbert Ratchet
    @Dave Pinsen

    See also "Jahr Nul" in the recent Man in the High Castle series. I can't remember if they blew up Mount Rushmore but they did destroy the Statue of Liberty and melt the Liberty Bell.

  10. @Dave Pinsen
    There was a miniseries in the '80s called Amerika, in which the Soviet Union had occupied the U.S. for 10 years. The Russians were still facing some resistance, so they debated things they could do to impress upon Americans that they were a defeated people. Blowing up Mount Rushmore would have worked as one of them.

    https://youtu.be/ZZy6SDrdyOM

    Replies: @El Dato, @Almost Missouri, @Ray P, @Gilbert Ratchet

    Plot twist: They throw in the towel and sell everything to Zimbabwe, just keeping Alaska.

  11. After they rename Yale as New Haven Community College, they can rename the Times as the New Amsterdam News.

    Not sure this piece would make it past the editors of The Final Call.

  12. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:

    I never though Teddy Roosevelt should have been on there. Always thought he was out of place. They should’ve stuck with older figures, like another Founding Father, or with an older President, like Andrew Jackson. I don’t think TR was important enough to merit it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    TR had the most personality of any American president, like Churchill had the most personality of any UK prime minister.

    Replies: @Geschrei, @Liberty Mike, @Ray P

    , @Che Blutarsky
    @Anonymous

    If they had had the foresight to put Judah T. Benjamin on it, this current controversy wouldn't be happening.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Gordo

    , @Dr. X
    @Anonymous

    Roosevelt spent several years ranching in the Dakotas after the death of this first wife, where he learned to ditch the Manhattan effeminacy he was born into and become a "real American."

    , @res
    @Anonymous

    Here is what the NPS has to say about this.
    https://www.nps.gov/moru/learn/historyculture/why-these-four-presidents.htm

    Basically:


    Because of his importance, Borglum chose Washington to be the most prominent figure on the mountain and represent the birth of the United States.

    Borglum chose Jefferson to represent the growth of the United States.

    Borglum chose Roosevelt to represent the development of the United States.

    Gutzon Borglum chose Lincoln to represent the preservation of the United States.
     
    , @Prester John
    @Anonymous

    They wouldn't touch it if The Ruling Class agreed to sculpt Obama's face on it.

    , @Alden
    @Anonymous

    I believe he’s there because he was the National Parks President. National and state parks camping hiking hunting are a White thing and this was a White run country then. Hispanics like camping and a day at a state park. But blacks are afraid of squirrels and Asians mid easterners etc think camping hiking etc are just weird.

  13. If the NYT doesn’t like Mt. Rushmore, how about promoting the completion of the Crazy Horse Memorial? It’s been under construction since 1948 and isn’t anywhere near being done because there is no funding.

    Seems to me that would be a much better way to honor the Lakota, rather than going Taliban on a great American monument.

    A healthy America would recognize and celebrate the greatness of all parts of American society. So, let’s finish the Crazy Horse Memorial and honor a great American warrior. I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples.

    We’ve got to find a way to end the urge to tear each other down, literally and figuratively. Yes, I know that right now the most extreme behavior is on the far left. But compromising with moderate leftists isn’t surrendering, its isolating the radicals. We either isolate extremism, or it will spread and further divide the country.

    Joe Biden, of all people, talked about moving Confederate monuments to museums, but preserving Columbus statues. OK, maybe not the best solution and it’s easy to be cynical and say that Sleepy Joe is just trying to pick up Italian and black votes. But at least it’s a point from which to start a reasonable discussion, and gets Democrats to agree to stand against the vandals intent on destroying our culture.

    I’m sure to be called a “cuck” again, and that’s fine, sticks and stones… But seriously folks, the Silent Majority includes a lot of people that will vote for Biden this fall. We need to stand together, red and blue, to oppose violence and extremism.

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That's like voting for the National Socialist German Worker's Party because you don't like all the things the SA is doing.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Peter Akuleyev

    , @thomasblair
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Better to finish Mt Rushmore itself.

    , @anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    With all due respect, NJ, you still don't get the point. Monuments and holidays should celebrate the collective sacrifices, great events, and heroes of a people's history. The key question is who are the people?
    Indians and blacks are not me. They are not the majority of people in this country. In our history they played tangential roles in the lives of the majority people of this country.
    If we remember Indians we should remember our long fight with them and honor the great Indian fighters. There's room to respect the Indian's courage and fighting spirit, but that's it.
    If we remember slavery we should remember it as a cautionary tale of damage we did to ourselves by bringing blacks here.
    Multiculturalism doesn't work. Indians aren't going to identify with Columbus day. Blacks aren't going to like Robert E Lee monuments. And I and millions of whites don't care about Juneteenth.
    Rather than try to "make up" with people who hate us, we need to focus on putting down this insurrection against our authority in our own country.

    , @WJ
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I'm certain if we make Juneteenth a national holiday, destroy offending monuments and complete Crazy Horse, then it will all go away. The mob will be satisfied once and for all.

    , @scott h
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    You lost me when you said- "I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples."

    How much pandering and sucking up to 13% of the population, with MLK day already a national holiday and the whole month of Feb. set aside as "black history month," will be enough? You give an inch, they take a mile. Making "Juneteenth" a holiday would just give the MSM/woke capital/Dems another day to go non-stop blackety-black-black and induce yet more white guilt and self-loathing.

    Replies: @Swede55

    , @Thea
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    We’ve already handed over our inner cities, universities, media, entertainment industry and all large corporations.

    At what point do you think they will say we’ve given enough and our children have the right to live in peace?

  14. @Anonymous
    I never though Teddy Roosevelt should have been on there. Always thought he was out of place. They should've stuck with older figures, like another Founding Father, or with an older President, like Andrew Jackson. I don't think TR was important enough to merit it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Che Blutarsky, @Dr. X, @res, @Prester John, @Alden

    TR had the most personality of any American president, like Churchill had the most personality of any UK prime minister.

    • Replies: @Geschrei
    @Steve Sailer

    Watch Ken Burns National Parks film and it becomes clear that Teddy is the only President who truly appreciated the remarkable physical beauty and majesty of the land that comprised the United States, and arguably did more than any American in history to preserve it.

    So there’s that, anyway.

    , @Liberty Mike
    @Steve Sailer

    If, by the most personality, you mean the biggest blowhard, then, yes.

    , @Ray P
    @Steve Sailer

    But Calvin Coolidge, the President with the least, is the one most favoured by conservatives, isn't he?

  15. The vanity of my fellow Whites never ceases to amaze me. We invite in people with whom we have little in common and tell them that we are going to give them an awesome gift. We are going to make them Americans or Brits or Kiwis. We never stop for one moment to ask ourselves if its a gift they actually want.

    It seems that that the gift means precisely nothing to the massively undiverse, overwhelmingly Jewish editorial staff of the NYT.

    The US means something to most White Americans. It means NOTHING to anyone else. Tucker Carlson maybe knows this, but he also knows his amazing ratings would not save him if he actually said it.

    And I am going to capitalise the W.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Altai
    @22pp22

    More like we sat back and allowed people to come without making any real demands on them and never really 'invited' anyone.

    The whole 'assimilation' thing hasn't been in vogue for a long time. Sometimes politicians trot out that language to soothe native anxieties but that's all, there is no action to back it and no intention to do so.

    Of course, once a certain number has been reached, assimilation isn't possible anyway.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @22pp22

    Agree. It's like handing your most cherished family heirlooms over to strangers for safekeeping. They don't care about them. They'll strip whatever is valuable and toss what remains in a dumpster.

  16. @Anonymous
    Does all of this boil down to Jewish envy and sexual insecurity vis-a-vis Northern European men?

    Replies: @El Dato

    Also mental illness due to phtalates in drinking water and oversupply of low-quality people fighting for jobs at once-prestigious institutions.

  17. wren says:

    Our overlords on this one are an interesting combo.

    https://www.iwmf.org/community/jacey-fortin/

    https://bryanpietsch.com/

    • Replies: @Kyle
    @wren

    They could just dynamite those sharp, distinguished noses. Maybe that would soothe their jealousy.

    , @Anon
    @wren

    Indoctrination is almost 360° now. MSM, higher education, entertainment, libraries, ...

    https://twitter.com/dharmascholar/status/1278333982325628929?s=20

    “Can I help you?”

    “Yes, I’m looking for a particular book.”

    “Sorry, what does the writing on your mask say?

    “Oh, haha, it says ‘Ghislaine Maxwell didn’t kill herself’.”

    “Oookay... so who’s the author of the book you’re looking for?”

    “I don’t know. The publisher is the Nation of Islam Research Group. I read about in American Pravda on the Unz Review.”

    , @James O'Meara
    @wren

    The rage of Caliban at NOT seeing his face in the mirror, as Oscar Wilde put it. In typical Prog. fashion, (society must be totally retconned and reconfigured to make a handful of malcontents happy), rather than shelling out for plastic surgery, they expect the rest of us to pay for dynamiting a mountain.

  18. @Anonymous
    I never though Teddy Roosevelt should have been on there. Always thought he was out of place. They should've stuck with older figures, like another Founding Father, or with an older President, like Andrew Jackson. I don't think TR was important enough to merit it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Che Blutarsky, @Dr. X, @res, @Prester John, @Alden

    If they had had the foresight to put Judah T. Benjamin on it, this current controversy wouldn’t be happening.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Che Blutarsky

    Rename the Mt. Rushmore information center "The Judah P. Benjamin Interpretive Center and Gift Shop" and all will be well.

    , @Gordo
    @Che Blutarsky


    If they had had the foresight to put Judah T. Benjamin on it, this current controversy wouldn’t be happening.
     
    It's all about the Judah T. Benjamins baby.
  19. @NJ Transit Commuter
    If the NYT doesn’t like Mt. Rushmore, how about promoting the completion of the Crazy Horse Memorial? It’s been under construction since 1948 and isn’t anywhere near being done because there is no funding.

    Seems to me that would be a much better way to honor the Lakota, rather than going Taliban on a great American monument.

    A healthy America would recognize and celebrate the greatness of all parts of American society. So, let’s finish the Crazy Horse Memorial and honor a great American warrior. I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples.

    We’ve got to find a way to end the urge to tear each other down, literally and figuratively. Yes, I know that right now the most extreme behavior is on the far left. But compromising with moderate leftists isn’t surrendering, its isolating the radicals. We either isolate extremism, or it will spread and further divide the country.

    Joe Biden, of all people, talked about moving Confederate monuments to museums, but preserving Columbus statues. OK, maybe not the best solution and it’s easy to be cynical and say that Sleepy Joe is just trying to pick up Italian and black votes. But at least it’s a point from which to start a reasonable discussion, and gets Democrats to agree to stand against the vandals intent on destroying our culture.

    I’m sure to be called a “cuck” again, and that’s fine, sticks and stones... But seriously folks, the Silent Majority includes a lot of people that will vote for Biden this fall. We need to stand together, red and blue, to oppose violence and extremism.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @thomasblair, @anon, @WJ, @scott h, @Thea

    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Che Blutarsky


    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.

     

    And yet it was Adolph himself who burst into Ernst's bedroom with pistol draw.

    Perhaps Joe will do his own Operation Hummingbird on BLM?

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Che Blutarsky

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Che Blutarsky


    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.
     
    No, Biden at least will bring the temperature down significantly and expose the holes in the Dems coalition. Voting for Trump to stop the protests is like supporting Tsar Nicky in 1917 to put down the Socialists. Too weak and too late. Trump to a very large extent has created this problem. Do you realize in 2016 only 26% of Americans supported removing Confederate monuments? Now a clear majority do - that's Trump's doing. He is so hated that any position he supports immediately becomes toxic to 51% of Americans. The man has a track record of destroying everything he touches - Atlantic City, the XFL, his wives, etc. It was always painfully obvious a Trump Presidency would end badly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Whiskey, @Inquiring Mind, @EmailAsID

  20. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    This article did not appear in the NYT’s Opinion section but in its “News” section.

    It’s funny, some years ago the Guardian released a pair of complementary articles called ‘The Arab Myth of Western Women’ and ‘The Western Myth of Arab Men’. Written by the same author on the same essential topic about a week apart.

    One is placed under ‘Opinion Middle East and North Africa’ and one is placed under ‘Opinion Race’. Can you guess which is which? If you guessed the one that is not disparaging towards whites was put in the ‘Opinion Middle East and North Africa’ (Despite the implications of it leading to much sexual violence in the West and Britain) you’d be right.

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hswE6jlqbBMJ:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/oct/30/arab-men-west-myth+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bWeFb_3s4lcJ:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/10/arab-myth-of-western-women+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

  21. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Can somebody post one of those roundabouts made from the top of a Mosque in a Palestinian town that got Naqba’d, whose survivors are still living and ask the NYT to comment on the morality.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    Can somebody post one of those roundabouts made from the top of a Mosque in a Palestinian town that got Naqba’d
     
    Mosques in Palestine, or anywhere else outside the Arabian peninsula, are a symbol of conquest and triumphalism that makes Mount Rushmore look almost apologetic in comparison. A large part of dar-el-Salaam was once called Christendom.

    Replies: @Gordo

  22. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @22pp22
    The vanity of my fellow Whites never ceases to amaze me. We invite in people with whom we have little in common and tell them that we are going to give them an awesome gift. We are going to make them Americans or Brits or Kiwis. We never stop for one moment to ask ourselves if its a gift they actually want.

    It seems that that the gift means precisely nothing to the massively undiverse, overwhelmingly Jewish editorial staff of the NYT.

    The US means something to most White Americans. It means NOTHING to anyone else. Tucker Carlson maybe knows this, but he also knows his amazing ratings would not save him if he actually said it.

    And I am going to capitalise the W.

    Replies: @Altai, @Mr. Anon

    More like we sat back and allowed people to come without making any real demands on them and never really ‘invited’ anyone.

    The whole ‘assimilation’ thing hasn’t been in vogue for a long time. Sometimes politicians trot out that language to soothe native anxieties but that’s all, there is no action to back it and no intention to do so.

    Of course, once a certain number has been reached, assimilation isn’t possible anyway.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, bomag
  23. nuke it

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Nodwink

    They'll first practice on Stone Mountain.

  24. I’m surprised it’s still there.

  25. Go ahead and get rid of Rushmore. Give it back to the Lakota, since they had the foresight to take it from the previous residents way back in 1776.

    Then get rid of all the roads in the Black Hills too. Sacred land, after all. And get rid of the electrical grid. And don’t allow any horses, after all they were introduced by the Spanish. And cordon off the area and don’t allow any alcohol to be transported there. Then buy the area back for pennies on the dollar.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  26. @Che Blutarsky
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That's like voting for the National Socialist German Worker's Party because you don't like all the things the SA is doing.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Peter Akuleyev

    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.

    And yet it was Adolph himself who burst into Ernst’s bedroom with pistol draw.

    Perhaps Joe will do his own Operation Hummingbird on BLM?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Gordo

    Biden passed away earlier this year so he won't be doing anything. Weekend at Bidens

    , @Che Blutarsky
    @Gordo

    They got rid of the rabble that committed violence for them and after that they professionalized it. I don't know that the DNC is competent enough to pull that off.

  27. Can we run a Teddy Roosevelt impersonator for president?

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @moshe

    Wilford Brimley is available.

  28. Carved Upon The Landscape, indeed!

  29. @wren
    Our overlords on this one are an interesting combo.

    https://www.iwmf.org/community/jacey-fortin/

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.muckrack.com/profile/images/59510/jacey-fortin.jpeg.256x256_q100_crop-smart.jpg

    https://bryanpietsch.com/

    https://studentlife.asu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/homepage_2x3_stories_868x575/public/asu_bryan_pietsch_asu_student_life_graduate.campus_life_1.jpg

    Replies: @Kyle, @Anon, @James O'Meara

    They could just dynamite those sharp, distinguished noses. Maybe that would soothe their jealousy.

    • LOL: Gordo
  30. The New York Times headquarters is sitting on land stolen from the Indians. Manhatten, after all, was named by the Lenape tribe long before the Dutch arrived.

    1519, bitchez!

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Digital Samizdat

    Good point.

  31. This is why Muhammad forbade likenesses to be depicted.

  32. It features the faces of 2 U.S. presidents who were slaveholders.

    And four who were racist.

  33. @Altai
    Can somebody post one of those roundabouts made from the top of a Mosque in a Palestinian town that got Naqba'd, whose survivors are still living and ask the NYT to comment on the morality.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Can somebody post one of those roundabouts made from the top of a Mosque in a Palestinian town that got Naqba’d

    Mosques in Palestine, or anywhere else outside the Arabian peninsula, are a symbol of conquest and triumphalism that makes Mount Rushmore look almost apologetic in comparison. A large part of dar-el-Salaam was once called Christendom.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Reg Cæsar


    Mosques in Palestine, or anywhere else outside the Arabian peninsula, are a symbol of conquest and triumphalism that makes Mount Rushmore look almost apologetic in comparison. A large part of dar-el-Salaam was once called Christendom.
     
    A large part of Palestine still is, but sod all help they get from Christians in the West.
  34. @Dave Pinsen
    There was a miniseries in the '80s called Amerika, in which the Soviet Union had occupied the U.S. for 10 years. The Russians were still facing some resistance, so they debated things they could do to impress upon Americans that they were a defeated people. Blowing up Mount Rushmore would have worked as one of them.

    https://youtu.be/ZZy6SDrdyOM

    Replies: @El Dato, @Almost Missouri, @Ray P, @Gilbert Ratchet

    Never saw the TV show, but it looks like a testament to how TV can take compelling subject matter and make it boring. Still, I give them credit though for 1) understanding that a few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike, and 2) perceiving how easily Abe Lincoln could be slotted into communist iconography. Even the real Lincoln Memorial can strike visitors as Stalinesque.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @Almost Missouri


    perceiving how easily Abe Lincoln could be slotted into communist iconography
     
    Marx wrote Lincoln at least one approving letter.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=marx+letter+to+lincoln&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS886US886&oq=marx+letter&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l6.5485j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Almost Missouri

    "A few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike"

    EMPs are bullcrap. Nothing generates extremely strong magnetic fields extending for miles upon miles that destroy all electronics in their wake. Plus all electrical systems - including substations and transformers - have circuit breakers to prevent this sort of damage. EMP is a bogeyman.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @captflee
    @Almost Missouri

    The commies have always regarded the Sainted Abraham as a kindred spirit. Lincoln Brigade, anyone?

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Almost Missouri

    The trailer doesn't do it justice. It was actually very good.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  35. Anon[646] • Disclaimer says:

    Eric Kaufmann, author of White Shift, is a political scientist who specialized in analyzing survey data, did his own survey using Amazon Mechanical Turk and Prolific Academic Survey (skew young and white), and came up with about half of self-described liberals, supported the “destruction of Mt. Rushmore.”

    About one in three supported the change of the name of the country, three quarters the change of the national anthem, one in five want the Statue of Liberty to be “redesigned,” and so on. Very weird. This guy is a specialist in survey data, as you’ll know if you read his book, so the normal criticisms of leading questions and unrepresentativeness are not that easy to make.

    Article here:

    https://quillette.com/2020/06/22/toward-a-new-cultural-nationalism/

    Podcast here:

    https://quillette.com/2020/06/28/podcast-97-professor-eric-kaufmann-on-americas-maoist-moment/

    Digest of survey results for liberals:

  36. @Wilkey
    There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.

    Notice that these days most....all....of the focus on the so-called theft of Native American land is on land currently occupied by conservatives. So Mt Rushmore, though basically in the middle of nowhere, is more important than; say, California or New York City.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Fluesterwitz, @Known Fact, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    So… what are you saying … you don’t want the beads anymore? You want that island back … what are you, one of those Ind… uhh, Native American givers?

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  37. @Nodwink
    nuke it

    Replies: @bomag

    They’ll first practice on Stone Mountain.

  38. @Dave Pinsen
    There was a miniseries in the '80s called Amerika, in which the Soviet Union had occupied the U.S. for 10 years. The Russians were still facing some resistance, so they debated things they could do to impress upon Americans that they were a defeated people. Blowing up Mount Rushmore would have worked as one of them.

    https://youtu.be/ZZy6SDrdyOM

    Replies: @El Dato, @Almost Missouri, @Ray P, @Gilbert Ratchet

    Kris Kristofferson will save Amerika with folk-music. Karl Marx praised Abe Lincoln during the eighteen sixties; I believe on the event of his re-election to the presidency.

    Better Amerikarl or Amerikris than AmeriKKKa, eh?

  39. @Wilkey
    There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.

    Notice that these days most....all....of the focus on the so-called theft of Native American land is on land currently occupied by conservatives. So Mt Rushmore, though basically in the middle of nowhere, is more important than; say, California or New York City.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Fluesterwitz, @Known Fact, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    Maybe I am a bit naive here but is it not the very point of virtue signalling to be seen going through the motions of making amends while avoiding any actual retribution?

  40. @moshe
    Can we run a Teddy Roosevelt impersonator for president?

    Replies: @Ray P

    Wilford Brimley is available.

  41. @Che Blutarsky
    @Anonymous

    If they had had the foresight to put Judah T. Benjamin on it, this current controversy wouldn't be happening.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Gordo

    Rename the Mt. Rushmore information center “The Judah P. Benjamin Interpretive Center and Gift Shop” and all will be well.

  42. @Dave Pinsen
    There was a miniseries in the '80s called Amerika, in which the Soviet Union had occupied the U.S. for 10 years. The Russians were still facing some resistance, so they debated things they could do to impress upon Americans that they were a defeated people. Blowing up Mount Rushmore would have worked as one of them.

    https://youtu.be/ZZy6SDrdyOM

    Replies: @El Dato, @Almost Missouri, @Ray P, @Gilbert Ratchet

    See also “Jahr Nul” in the recent Man in the High Castle series. I can’t remember if they blew up Mount Rushmore but they did destroy the Statue of Liberty and melt the Liberty Bell.

  43. @Cortes
    Rename it Mount Cisco and then it’d be untouchable.

    Replies: @Dr. X, @Cato

    Rename it Mt. Sinai and it would be untouchable…

  44. @Anonymous
    I never though Teddy Roosevelt should have been on there. Always thought he was out of place. They should've stuck with older figures, like another Founding Father, or with an older President, like Andrew Jackson. I don't think TR was important enough to merit it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Che Blutarsky, @Dr. X, @res, @Prester John, @Alden

    Roosevelt spent several years ranching in the Dakotas after the death of this first wife, where he learned to ditch the Manhattan effeminacy he was born into and become a “real American.”

  45. @Anon
    If they ceded it to the Indians, the tribe would just keep the partk open as is and pocket the entrance fees, maybe adding a Lakota visitors center and museum that nobody would pay attention to. Also, there would be Mr. Rushmore-themed slot machines added.

    Any return of the land should be conditioned on the military first completely destroying the monument down to gravel. Give them the choice of a monumentless piece of real estate or $100,000,000 to shut up.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Barnard, @Chrisnonymous

    The government already tried to give them a settlement for the Black Hills. There is over $1.3 billion in a trust to compensate the Lakota Sioux for treaty violations. Even though they have been dead broke for generations and most members are non functioning alcoholics they want the land. It was sacred to them so the leadership is holding out for it. Bill Bradley was a big proponent of giving it to them when he was in the Senate.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Barnard

    They sniff gasoline. To get stoned. And what are you supposed to do with people like that?

    Replies: @Yngvar

  46. This article did not appear in the NYT’s Opinion section but in its “News” section.

    Fair enough. All of the below are facts:

    Mount Rushmore was built on land that belonged to the Lakota tribe and sculpted by a man who had strong bonds with the Ku Klux Klan. It features the faces of 2 U.S. presidents who were slaveholders.

    Are you disputing them? The story, as it goes, is a real news story and the Times is reporting on what some perhaps well-intentioned, but more likely attention seeking, people are trying to do to a world famous monument and symbol of our country. I also think it is a public service of the NYT to let those of us who don’t find the facts mentioned distressing enough to make pulling down a famous monument make sense know that we had better not be too complacent or the left crazies will destroy everything.

    A bigger problem is that Trump, once again, is throwing gasoline on the bonfire to help himself. He and the far left are now locked in a growth spiral feeding on outrage, and everyone else is collateral damage.

    • Troll: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Mount Rushmore was built on land that belonged to the Lakota tribe

     

    Who had recently violently ejected the previous "owners" -- the Crow tribe, who became loyal to the US Government, who rewarded them with a nice-sized reservation.

    As for the Lakota, fuck 'em. The only reason anyone cares about them is because of Hollywood.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Fair enough. All of the below are facts:
     
    Are they?

    Mount Rushmore was built on land that belonged to the Lakota tribe
     
    No. The faces were built on US Government land.

    The Lakota forcibly removed the Crow and Cheyenne from the sacred Black Hills. The Lakota enslaved as many of the losers as they could. And the Lakota slaving culture viewed their victims as deserving slavery. Their tribal culture was just like all other tribal cultures. It was ethnocentric, imperialistic, brutal, and absolute.

    The Black Hills belong to the Lakota in the same way that Constantinople belongs to the Turks - by right of conquest. Then the Lakota were conquered by the US government. That should be enough. But in addition to their loss, the Lakota gave up their rights to the Black Hills by treaty in 1877.

    If you want to champion their rights to the Black Hills you have to be grossly unfair and ignorant of history, which you obviously are. Returning Native Lands must begin where they first were taken, and in accordance with the timeline that they were taken. 1619 is the NYT start year. Give back the Eastern Seaboard to Native Americans now. Then, when other states were settled, we can give them back on a four-hundred year scale.

    Or you can recognize this for what it is, another anti-white bigotry attack by the New York Times in service to their anti-Americanism.
  47. Everything you need to know about the NY Times is included in this article they ran on June 30th:

    At The Times and elsewhere, the nationwide protests over racism and police violence have prompted discussions about many aspects of our coverage. One element has been a renewed focus on a longstanding debate: whether to capitalize the term “Black.”

    We have talked to more than 100 staff members to get their views, reviewed the arguments that have been made over many years, and consulted with colleagues at other news organizations. The feedback has been thoughtful and nuanced, with a wide range of opinions among colleagues of all backgrounds.

    Based on those discussions, we’ve decided to adopt the change and start using uppercase “Black” to describe people and cultures of African origin, both in the United States and elsewhere. We believe this style best conveys elements of shared history and identity, and reflects our goal to be respectful of all the people and communities we cover.

    The change will match what many readers are seeing elsewhere. The Associated Press and other major news organizations have recently adopted “Black,” which has long been favored by many African-American publications and other outlets. The new style is also consistent with our treatment of many other racial and ethnic terms: We recently decided to capitalize “Native” and “Indigenous,” while other ethnic terms like “Asian-American” and “Latino” have always been capitalized.

    We will retain lowercase treatment for “white.” While there is an obvious question of parallelism, there has been no comparable movement toward widespread adoption of a new style for “white,” and there is less of a sense that “white” describes a shared culture and history. Moreover, hate groups and white supremacists have long favored the uppercase style, which in itself is reason to avoid it.

    So much for “thoughtful” and “nuanced”.
    PS: you should be aware that hate groups and white supremacists refers to all non-Marxist White people prior to 2008 (when a few scattered hate-group white supremacists voted for Tha One in a shameless attempt to be killed last; permission denied, by the way), specifically every White person’s parents and grandparents, with no exceptions. Except friends of ours and, of course, zadie and bubbe.

  48. @Anon
    If they ceded it to the Indians, the tribe would just keep the partk open as is and pocket the entrance fees, maybe adding a Lakota visitors center and museum that nobody would pay attention to. Also, there would be Mr. Rushmore-themed slot machines added.

    Any return of the land should be conditioned on the military first completely destroying the monument down to gravel. Give them the choice of a monumentless piece of real estate or $100,000,000 to shut up.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Barnard, @Chrisnonymous

    That doesn’t make any sense. Th monument is way more important than who owns the land. Let the Lakota administer it and collect fees. Who cares? Better than blowing it up, Taliban-style.

  49. @Che Blutarsky
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That's like voting for the National Socialist German Worker's Party because you don't like all the things the SA is doing.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Peter Akuleyev

    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.

    No, Biden at least will bring the temperature down significantly and expose the holes in the Dems coalition. Voting for Trump to stop the protests is like supporting Tsar Nicky in 1917 to put down the Socialists. Too weak and too late. Trump to a very large extent has created this problem. Do you realize in 2016 only 26% of Americans supported removing Confederate monuments? Now a clear majority do – that’s Trump’s doing. He is so hated that any position he supports immediately becomes toxic to 51% of Americans. The man has a track record of destroying everything he touches – Atlantic City, the XFL, his wives, etc. It was always painfully obvious a Trump Presidency would end badly.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Actually, this might be true. Four years under a Woke Regime might be the best thing that Republicans undergo.

    But..."bring the temperature down"? Please. It will be raised to the boiling point.

    OTOH, it could be the end of the republic.

    , @Whiskey
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Wrong in every way. Biden is like Hindenburg. Abrams or Harris will preside over a total blm victory, including a final solution to Whitey.

    There is no more money for transfers to blacks and affirmative action make work hires. Hence the brutal need to kill Whites and give their stuff to blacks.

    Trump is not President of France or Scotland or England yet you see the same thing there.

    This is about money and power. Low level rich kids want both and are allied with youngish White women and blacks to burn everything down.

    Biden is President Abrams or that weak and White hating whore Harris. They will pour lighter fluid in the fire

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Biden at least will bring the temperature down significantly and expose the holes in the Dems coalition."

    What are you smoking, and where can I get myself a bag of it?

    Your claim along with the rest of your post is what Mr. Biden is claiming in his TV ad.

    I clicked a link to an article about how white voters are deserting President Trump over "race." Reading the article, I read how, "a pair of Trump supporters waived guns at a group of (African American) protesters" (stop right there -- just about everyone here on iSteve knows the incident in question, and it was a pair of Democrats and members of the civil-litigation legal community brandishing before a group of largely white Antifa types?)", and then I saw this was a link to an essay in The Atlantic. Natch.

    The white position on race putting them at odds with President Trump is what used to called "appeasement." The sentiment wasn't even "virtue signaling", it was more like, "let's elect Mr. Obama, who will have 'standing' to make racial peace and we will finally 'move on'."

    Appeasement has a bad name, the British under Chamberlain an all that, but is had been argued that there are circumstances, especially for a party that is firmly in power to offer face-saving concessions to those who are not. The British were not always but often in that position running their Empire, so a good use of appeasement apparently was a "thing."

    I know where you are coming from, brother-man, and don't take my calling it appeasement in a bad way because there is a place for that sort of thing.

    On the other hand, there comes a tipping point where appeasement becomes a dangerous strategy. You mention Tsar Nicky, and maybe there wasn't anything he could of done to have gotten himself out of that jam, but he was following a policy of appeasement, and how did that work out for him?

    Recently, another not-that-certain-of-himself autocrat, a Mr. Bashar al-Assad eschewed appeasement and look at him, he is still there, still breathing with his head on top of his shoulders. The younger al-Assad might be a ruthless Near-Eastern dictator, but he is a chinless version of his Dad, who was a seriously ruthless Near-Eastern dictator.

    People should have supported Tsar Nicky while they could, because what came after him was a lot worse than what he was doing. Orthodox Christians in Syria did throw their support behind Bashar, because they knew that what would follow him would be way worse than whatever pain he inflicted on Orthodox Christians for just being Syrians.

    Biden is not Lenin, he is Kerensky. You really, seriously think replacing Nick Romanov with Alex Kerensky is going to put us on a glide-path to normalcy? You really, seriously think the defund-the-police initiative with a billion-dollar downpayment in NYC will lead to racial peace? All of this may be unstoppable and happen anyway, but people who know better should not be encouraging it.

    , @EmailAsID
    @Peter Akuleyev

    You're letting your TDS cloud your analysis.

    Trump didn't cause any of this anti-white leftist madness. The perception that Trump was going to put a halt to the supposed inexorable movement towards a utopia devoid of hideous whiteness (and heterosexuality and the nuclear family and prepubescent children not taking puberty blocking hormones because they identify as the other sex and etc. etc.) caused a backlash.

    Sadly, because there is a profound cultural rot in this nation (and the west in general), the backlash is getting results. Read The Camp of the Saints for a nice description of how the leftist rot weakens the defenses against self-immolation.

    Anyone who looked like they might slow down the humiliation and demoralization of whites and bolster traditional culture and societal structures in the good old U.S. or A. would get the same result.

  50. @Che Blutarsky
    @Anonymous

    If they had had the foresight to put Judah T. Benjamin on it, this current controversy wouldn't be happening.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Gordo

    If they had had the foresight to put Judah T. Benjamin on it, this current controversy wouldn’t be happening.

    It’s all about the Judah T. Benjamins baby.

  51. @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    Can somebody post one of those roundabouts made from the top of a Mosque in a Palestinian town that got Naqba’d
     
    Mosques in Palestine, or anywhere else outside the Arabian peninsula, are a symbol of conquest and triumphalism that makes Mount Rushmore look almost apologetic in comparison. A large part of dar-el-Salaam was once called Christendom.

    Replies: @Gordo

    Mosques in Palestine, or anywhere else outside the Arabian peninsula, are a symbol of conquest and triumphalism that makes Mount Rushmore look almost apologetic in comparison. A large part of dar-el-Salaam was once called Christendom.

    A large part of Palestine still is, but sod all help they get from Christians in the West.

  52. General Miles checks in:

  53. @NJ Transit Commuter
    If the NYT doesn’t like Mt. Rushmore, how about promoting the completion of the Crazy Horse Memorial? It’s been under construction since 1948 and isn’t anywhere near being done because there is no funding.

    Seems to me that would be a much better way to honor the Lakota, rather than going Taliban on a great American monument.

    A healthy America would recognize and celebrate the greatness of all parts of American society. So, let’s finish the Crazy Horse Memorial and honor a great American warrior. I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples.

    We’ve got to find a way to end the urge to tear each other down, literally and figuratively. Yes, I know that right now the most extreme behavior is on the far left. But compromising with moderate leftists isn’t surrendering, its isolating the radicals. We either isolate extremism, or it will spread and further divide the country.

    Joe Biden, of all people, talked about moving Confederate monuments to museums, but preserving Columbus statues. OK, maybe not the best solution and it’s easy to be cynical and say that Sleepy Joe is just trying to pick up Italian and black votes. But at least it’s a point from which to start a reasonable discussion, and gets Democrats to agree to stand against the vandals intent on destroying our culture.

    I’m sure to be called a “cuck” again, and that’s fine, sticks and stones... But seriously folks, the Silent Majority includes a lot of people that will vote for Biden this fall. We need to stand together, red and blue, to oppose violence and extremism.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @thomasblair, @anon, @WJ, @scott h, @Thea

    Better to finish Mt Rushmore itself.

  54. Okay, so you don’t think manic media hate for Trump has anything to do with all this? I seriously doubt a clear majority of Americans are in favor of removing confederate statues, but you’re probably one of those who’ll swallow everything they feed you. Yeah, a dementia patient will significantly reduce the political temperature – could you possibly be more clueless?

  55. anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    If the NYT doesn’t like Mt. Rushmore, how about promoting the completion of the Crazy Horse Memorial? It’s been under construction since 1948 and isn’t anywhere near being done because there is no funding.

    Seems to me that would be a much better way to honor the Lakota, rather than going Taliban on a great American monument.

    A healthy America would recognize and celebrate the greatness of all parts of American society. So, let’s finish the Crazy Horse Memorial and honor a great American warrior. I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples.

    We’ve got to find a way to end the urge to tear each other down, literally and figuratively. Yes, I know that right now the most extreme behavior is on the far left. But compromising with moderate leftists isn’t surrendering, its isolating the radicals. We either isolate extremism, or it will spread and further divide the country.

    Joe Biden, of all people, talked about moving Confederate monuments to museums, but preserving Columbus statues. OK, maybe not the best solution and it’s easy to be cynical and say that Sleepy Joe is just trying to pick up Italian and black votes. But at least it’s a point from which to start a reasonable discussion, and gets Democrats to agree to stand against the vandals intent on destroying our culture.

    I’m sure to be called a “cuck” again, and that’s fine, sticks and stones... But seriously folks, the Silent Majority includes a lot of people that will vote for Biden this fall. We need to stand together, red and blue, to oppose violence and extremism.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @thomasblair, @anon, @WJ, @scott h, @Thea

    With all due respect, NJ, you still don’t get the point. Monuments and holidays should celebrate the collective sacrifices, great events, and heroes of a people’s history. The key question is who are the people?
    Indians and blacks are not me. They are not the majority of people in this country. In our history they played tangential roles in the lives of the majority people of this country.
    If we remember Indians we should remember our long fight with them and honor the great Indian fighters. There’s room to respect the Indian’s courage and fighting spirit, but that’s it.
    If we remember slavery we should remember it as a cautionary tale of damage we did to ourselves by bringing blacks here.
    Multiculturalism doesn’t work. Indians aren’t going to identify with Columbus day. Blacks aren’t going to like Robert E Lee monuments. And I and millions of whites don’t care about Juneteenth.
    Rather than try to “make up” with people who hate us, we need to focus on putting down this insurrection against our authority in our own country.

  56. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    Never saw the TV show, but it looks like a testament to how TV can take compelling subject matter and make it boring. Still, I give them credit though for 1) understanding that a few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike, and 2) perceiving how easily Abe Lincoln could be slotted into communist iconography. Even the real Lincoln Memorial can strike visitors as Stalinesque.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @captflee, @Dave Pinsen

    perceiving how easily Abe Lincoln could be slotted into communist iconography

    Marx wrote Lincoln at least one approving letter.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=marx+letter+to+lincoln&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS886US886&oq=marx+letter&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l6.5485j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  57. @NJ Transit Commuter
    If the NYT doesn’t like Mt. Rushmore, how about promoting the completion of the Crazy Horse Memorial? It’s been under construction since 1948 and isn’t anywhere near being done because there is no funding.

    Seems to me that would be a much better way to honor the Lakota, rather than going Taliban on a great American monument.

    A healthy America would recognize and celebrate the greatness of all parts of American society. So, let’s finish the Crazy Horse Memorial and honor a great American warrior. I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples.

    We’ve got to find a way to end the urge to tear each other down, literally and figuratively. Yes, I know that right now the most extreme behavior is on the far left. But compromising with moderate leftists isn’t surrendering, its isolating the radicals. We either isolate extremism, or it will spread and further divide the country.

    Joe Biden, of all people, talked about moving Confederate monuments to museums, but preserving Columbus statues. OK, maybe not the best solution and it’s easy to be cynical and say that Sleepy Joe is just trying to pick up Italian and black votes. But at least it’s a point from which to start a reasonable discussion, and gets Democrats to agree to stand against the vandals intent on destroying our culture.

    I’m sure to be called a “cuck” again, and that’s fine, sticks and stones... But seriously folks, the Silent Majority includes a lot of people that will vote for Biden this fall. We need to stand together, red and blue, to oppose violence and extremism.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @thomasblair, @anon, @WJ, @scott h, @Thea

    I’m certain if we make Juneteenth a national holiday, destroy offending monuments and complete Crazy Horse, then it will all go away. The mob will be satisfied once and for all.

  58. More fitting of our idiocratic times: strap immense facediapers on their stony visages.

    Forever.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Ray P
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Unfortunately Christo is dead. However his earlier Over the River scheme for Colorado ran into rough water (and an opportunity to blame its failure on Trump):


    Christo and Jeanne-Claude announced plans for a future project, titled Over The River, to be constructed on the Arkansas River between Salida, Colorado, and Cañon City, Colorado, on the eastern slope of the Rocky mountains. Plans for the project call for horizontally suspending 10.8 km (6.7 mi) of reflective, translucent fabric panels high above the water, on steel cables anchored into the river's banks. Project plans called for its installation for two weeks during the summer of 2015, at the earliest, and for the river to remain open to recreation during the installation. Reaction among area residents was intense, with supporters hoping for a tourist boom and opponents fearing that the project would ruin the visual appeal of the landscape and inflict damage on the river ecosystem. One local rafting guide compared the project to "hanging pornography in a church."

    ...

    Christo and Jeanne-Claude spent more than $6 million on environmental studies, design engineering, and wind tunnel testing of fabrics. As with past projects, Over The River would be financed entirely by Christo and Jeanne-Claude, through the sale of Christo's preparatory drawings, collages, scale models, and early works of the 1950s/1960s. On July 16, 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management released its four-volume Draft Environmental Impact Statement, which reported many potentially serious types of adverse impact but also many proposed "mitigation" options.

    In January 2017, after the election of President Trump, Christo canceled the controversial project citing protest of the new administration as well as tiring from the hard-fought legal battle waged by local residents.


     

    Replies: @BB753, @Jim Don Bob

  59. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    Never saw the TV show, but it looks like a testament to how TV can take compelling subject matter and make it boring. Still, I give them credit though for 1) understanding that a few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike, and 2) perceiving how easily Abe Lincoln could be slotted into communist iconography. Even the real Lincoln Memorial can strike visitors as Stalinesque.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @captflee, @Dave Pinsen

    “A few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike”

    EMPs are bullcrap. Nothing generates extremely strong magnetic fields extending for miles upon miles that destroy all electronics in their wake. Plus all electrical systems – including substations and transformers – have circuit breakers to prevent this sort of damage. EMP is a bogeyman.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    JS: I tend to agree with you, but I have read stories about A-bomb tests in the early days that knocked out comms far away, so please enlighten me.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

  60. @22pp22
    The vanity of my fellow Whites never ceases to amaze me. We invite in people with whom we have little in common and tell them that we are going to give them an awesome gift. We are going to make them Americans or Brits or Kiwis. We never stop for one moment to ask ourselves if its a gift they actually want.

    It seems that that the gift means precisely nothing to the massively undiverse, overwhelmingly Jewish editorial staff of the NYT.

    The US means something to most White Americans. It means NOTHING to anyone else. Tucker Carlson maybe knows this, but he also knows his amazing ratings would not save him if he actually said it.

    And I am going to capitalise the W.

    Replies: @Altai, @Mr. Anon

    Agree. It’s like handing your most cherished family heirlooms over to strangers for safekeeping. They don’t care about them. They’ll strip whatever is valuable and toss what remains in a dumpster.

  61. This is an immensely popular monument. When I was at Mount Rushmore five years ago, I could not believe how many people were there and how many languages one could hear from all of the foreign tourists. It’s a impressive sight.

  62. res says:
    @Anonymous
    I never though Teddy Roosevelt should have been on there. Always thought he was out of place. They should've stuck with older figures, like another Founding Father, or with an older President, like Andrew Jackson. I don't think TR was important enough to merit it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Che Blutarsky, @Dr. X, @res, @Prester John, @Alden

    Here is what the NPS has to say about this.
    https://www.nps.gov/moru/learn/historyculture/why-these-four-presidents.htm

    Basically:

    Because of his importance, Borglum chose Washington to be the most prominent figure on the mountain and represent the birth of the United States.

    Borglum chose Jefferson to represent the growth of the United States.

    Borglum chose Roosevelt to represent the development of the United States.

    Gutzon Borglum chose Lincoln to represent the preservation of the United States.

  63. @Wilkey
    There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.

    Notice that these days most....all....of the focus on the so-called theft of Native American land is on land currently occupied by conservatives. So Mt Rushmore, though basically in the middle of nowhere, is more important than; say, California or New York City.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Fluesterwitz, @Known Fact, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    We paid them for Manhattan

  64. @Peter Akuleyev
    This article did not appear in the NYT’s Opinion section but in its “News” section.

    Fair enough. All of the below are facts:

    Mount Rushmore was built on land that belonged to the Lakota tribe and sculpted by a man who had strong bonds with the Ku Klux Klan. It features the faces of 2 U.S. presidents who were slaveholders.
     
    Are you disputing them? The story, as it goes, is a real news story and the Times is reporting on what some perhaps well-intentioned, but more likely attention seeking, people are trying to do to a world famous monument and symbol of our country. I also think it is a public service of the NYT to let those of us who don't find the facts mentioned distressing enough to make pulling down a famous monument make sense know that we had better not be too complacent or the left crazies will destroy everything.

    A bigger problem is that Trump, once again, is throwing gasoline on the bonfire to help himself. He and the far left are now locked in a growth spiral feeding on outrage, and everyone else is collateral damage.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Mount Rushmore was built on land that belonged to the Lakota tribe

    Who had recently violently ejected the previous “owners” — the Crow tribe, who became loyal to the US Government, who rewarded them with a nice-sized reservation.

    As for the Lakota, fuck ’em. The only reason anyone cares about them is because of Hollywood.

  65. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Che Blutarsky


    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.
     
    No, Biden at least will bring the temperature down significantly and expose the holes in the Dems coalition. Voting for Trump to stop the protests is like supporting Tsar Nicky in 1917 to put down the Socialists. Too weak and too late. Trump to a very large extent has created this problem. Do you realize in 2016 only 26% of Americans supported removing Confederate monuments? Now a clear majority do - that's Trump's doing. He is so hated that any position he supports immediately becomes toxic to 51% of Americans. The man has a track record of destroying everything he touches - Atlantic City, the XFL, his wives, etc. It was always painfully obvious a Trump Presidency would end badly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Whiskey, @Inquiring Mind, @EmailAsID

    Actually, this might be true. Four years under a Woke Regime might be the best thing that Republicans undergo.

    But…”bring the temperature down”? Please. It will be raised to the boiling point.

    OTOH, it could be the end of the republic.

  66. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Che Blutarsky


    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.
     
    No, Biden at least will bring the temperature down significantly and expose the holes in the Dems coalition. Voting for Trump to stop the protests is like supporting Tsar Nicky in 1917 to put down the Socialists. Too weak and too late. Trump to a very large extent has created this problem. Do you realize in 2016 only 26% of Americans supported removing Confederate monuments? Now a clear majority do - that's Trump's doing. He is so hated that any position he supports immediately becomes toxic to 51% of Americans. The man has a track record of destroying everything he touches - Atlantic City, the XFL, his wives, etc. It was always painfully obvious a Trump Presidency would end badly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Whiskey, @Inquiring Mind, @EmailAsID

    Wrong in every way. Biden is like Hindenburg. Abrams or Harris will preside over a total blm victory, including a final solution to Whitey.

    There is no more money for transfers to blacks and affirmative action make work hires. Hence the brutal need to kill Whites and give their stuff to blacks.

    Trump is not President of France or Scotland or England yet you see the same thing there.

    This is about money and power. Low level rich kids want both and are allied with youngish White women and blacks to burn everything down.

    Biden is President Abrams or that weak and White hating whore Harris. They will pour lighter fluid in the fire

    • Agree: EmailAsID, Thea
  67. @Gordo
    @Che Blutarsky


    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.

     

    And yet it was Adolph himself who burst into Ernst's bedroom with pistol draw.

    Perhaps Joe will do his own Operation Hummingbird on BLM?

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Che Blutarsky

    Biden passed away earlier this year so he won’t be doing anything. Weekend at Bidens

  68. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Che Blutarsky


    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.
     
    No, Biden at least will bring the temperature down significantly and expose the holes in the Dems coalition. Voting for Trump to stop the protests is like supporting Tsar Nicky in 1917 to put down the Socialists. Too weak and too late. Trump to a very large extent has created this problem. Do you realize in 2016 only 26% of Americans supported removing Confederate monuments? Now a clear majority do - that's Trump's doing. He is so hated that any position he supports immediately becomes toxic to 51% of Americans. The man has a track record of destroying everything he touches - Atlantic City, the XFL, his wives, etc. It was always painfully obvious a Trump Presidency would end badly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Whiskey, @Inquiring Mind, @EmailAsID

    “Biden at least will bring the temperature down significantly and expose the holes in the Dems coalition.”

    What are you smoking, and where can I get myself a bag of it?

    Your claim along with the rest of your post is what Mr. Biden is claiming in his TV ad.

    I clicked a link to an article about how white voters are deserting President Trump over “race.” Reading the article, I read how, “a pair of Trump supporters waived guns at a group of (African American) protesters” (stop right there — just about everyone here on iSteve knows the incident in question, and it was a pair of Democrats and members of the civil-litigation legal community brandishing before a group of largely white Antifa types?)”, and then I saw this was a link to an essay in The Atlantic. Natch.

    The white position on race putting them at odds with President Trump is what used to called “appeasement.” The sentiment wasn’t even “virtue signaling”, it was more like, “let’s elect Mr. Obama, who will have ‘standing’ to make racial peace and we will finally ‘move on’.”

    Appeasement has a bad name, the British under Chamberlain an all that, but is had been argued that there are circumstances, especially for a party that is firmly in power to offer face-saving concessions to those who are not. The British were not always but often in that position running their Empire, so a good use of appeasement apparently was a “thing.”

    I know where you are coming from, brother-man, and don’t take my calling it appeasement in a bad way because there is a place for that sort of thing.

    On the other hand, there comes a tipping point where appeasement becomes a dangerous strategy. You mention Tsar Nicky, and maybe there wasn’t anything he could of done to have gotten himself out of that jam, but he was following a policy of appeasement, and how did that work out for him?

    Recently, another not-that-certain-of-himself autocrat, a Mr. Bashar al-Assad eschewed appeasement and look at him, he is still there, still breathing with his head on top of his shoulders. The younger al-Assad might be a ruthless Near-Eastern dictator, but he is a chinless version of his Dad, who was a seriously ruthless Near-Eastern dictator.

    People should have supported Tsar Nicky while they could, because what came after him was a lot worse than what he was doing. Orthodox Christians in Syria did throw their support behind Bashar, because they knew that what would follow him would be way worse than whatever pain he inflicted on Orthodox Christians for just being Syrians.

    Biden is not Lenin, he is Kerensky. You really, seriously think replacing Nick Romanov with Alex Kerensky is going to put us on a glide-path to normalcy? You really, seriously think the defund-the-police initiative with a billion-dollar downpayment in NYC will lead to racial peace? All of this may be unstoppable and happen anyway, but people who know better should not be encouraging it.

    • Agree: FPD72
  69. Washington Post has the story today too:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/03/mount-rushmore-gutzon-borglum-klan-stone-mountain/

    It’s almost as if Bezos is coordinating with the Salzbergers and BLM.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @botazefa


    It’s almost as if Bezos is coordinating with the Salzbergers and BLM.
     
    Yeah; "almost as if".
  70. @NJ Transit Commuter
    If the NYT doesn’t like Mt. Rushmore, how about promoting the completion of the Crazy Horse Memorial? It’s been under construction since 1948 and isn’t anywhere near being done because there is no funding.

    Seems to me that would be a much better way to honor the Lakota, rather than going Taliban on a great American monument.

    A healthy America would recognize and celebrate the greatness of all parts of American society. So, let’s finish the Crazy Horse Memorial and honor a great American warrior. I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples.

    We’ve got to find a way to end the urge to tear each other down, literally and figuratively. Yes, I know that right now the most extreme behavior is on the far left. But compromising with moderate leftists isn’t surrendering, its isolating the radicals. We either isolate extremism, or it will spread and further divide the country.

    Joe Biden, of all people, talked about moving Confederate monuments to museums, but preserving Columbus statues. OK, maybe not the best solution and it’s easy to be cynical and say that Sleepy Joe is just trying to pick up Italian and black votes. But at least it’s a point from which to start a reasonable discussion, and gets Democrats to agree to stand against the vandals intent on destroying our culture.

    I’m sure to be called a “cuck” again, and that’s fine, sticks and stones... But seriously folks, the Silent Majority includes a lot of people that will vote for Biden this fall. We need to stand together, red and blue, to oppose violence and extremism.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @thomasblair, @anon, @WJ, @scott h, @Thea

    You lost me when you said- “I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples.”

    How much pandering and sucking up to 13% of the population, with MLK day already a national holiday and the whole month of Feb. set aside as “black history month,” will be enough? You give an inch, they take a mile. Making “Juneteenth” a holiday would just give the MSM/woke capital/Dems another day to go non-stop blackety-black-black and induce yet more white guilt and self-loathing.

    • Replies: @Swede55
    @scott h

    Agree, plus June 19th is too close to July 4th.

  71. Instead of blowing it all up, how about a makeover? I believe it’s possible with modern technology to change those hideous white male faces into the likenesses of real American heroes like Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Barack Obama,and Hillary Clinton (or Tupac, or Floyd, if all Whites are excluded).

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @BB753

    How about Ed Gein, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy?

    Hold on - for feminism's sake one of these has to be Eileen Wuros or Valerie Solanos or Hillary.

    , @Redman
    @BB753

    Tupac would be cool.

    , @Cortes
    @BB753

    Sounds like blackface.

    We’re all black when we die, of course. I remember seeing that in an episode of “Taggart”, so it must be true.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taggart

    Replies: @BB753

  72. built on land that belonged to the Lakota trib

    Whoa, there, blood and soil Nazi. The land isn’t the racial homeland of the Lakota people. The land belongs to all mankind (and all the aliens in the galaxy too, if they ever get here). Open borders!

    • LOL: BB753
  73. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    TR had the most personality of any American president, like Churchill had the most personality of any UK prime minister.

    Replies: @Geschrei, @Liberty Mike, @Ray P

    Watch Ken Burns National Parks film and it becomes clear that Teddy is the only President who truly appreciated the remarkable physical beauty and majesty of the land that comprised the United States, and arguably did more than any American in history to preserve it.

    So there’s that, anyway.

  74. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @wren
    Our overlords on this one are an interesting combo.

    https://www.iwmf.org/community/jacey-fortin/

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.muckrack.com/profile/images/59510/jacey-fortin.jpeg.256x256_q100_crop-smart.jpg

    https://bryanpietsch.com/

    https://studentlife.asu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/homepage_2x3_stories_868x575/public/asu_bryan_pietsch_asu_student_life_graduate.campus_life_1.jpg

    Replies: @Kyle, @Anon, @James O'Meara

    Indoctrination is almost 360° now. MSM, higher education, entertainment, libraries, …

    “Can I help you?”

    “Yes, I’m looking for a particular book.”

    “Sorry, what does the writing on your mask say?

    “Oh, haha, it says ‘Ghislaine Maxwell didn’t kill herself’.”

    “Oookay… so who’s the author of the book you’re looking for?”

    “I don’t know. The publisher is the Nation of Islam Research Group. I read about in American Pravda on the Unz Review.”

  75. @Gordo
    @Che Blutarsky


    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.

     

    And yet it was Adolph himself who burst into Ernst's bedroom with pistol draw.

    Perhaps Joe will do his own Operation Hummingbird on BLM?

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Che Blutarsky

    They got rid of the rabble that committed violence for them and after that they professionalized it. I don’t know that the DNC is competent enough to pull that off.

  76. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    Never saw the TV show, but it looks like a testament to how TV can take compelling subject matter and make it boring. Still, I give them credit though for 1) understanding that a few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike, and 2) perceiving how easily Abe Lincoln could be slotted into communist iconography. Even the real Lincoln Memorial can strike visitors as Stalinesque.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @captflee, @Dave Pinsen

    The commies have always regarded the Sainted Abraham as a kindred spirit. Lincoln Brigade, anyone?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @captflee

    Best thing about the Spanish civil war is that the Russian communists put the Lincoln Brigade in the front lines and Franco’s heroes killed many. Which prevented them coming home to America to continue their subversion and treason.

    Francisco Franco and the Spanish Catholic Church and upper classes are the greatest heroes of the 20th century. Only Spain and Finland managed to drive the communists out of their countries despite every Jew and liberal in the world backing the communists.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  77. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    TR had the most personality of any American president, like Churchill had the most personality of any UK prime minister.

    Replies: @Geschrei, @Liberty Mike, @Ray P

    If, by the most personality, you mean the biggest blowhard, then, yes.

  78. @wren
    Our overlords on this one are an interesting combo.

    https://www.iwmf.org/community/jacey-fortin/

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.muckrack.com/profile/images/59510/jacey-fortin.jpeg.256x256_q100_crop-smart.jpg

    https://bryanpietsch.com/

    https://studentlife.asu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/homepage_2x3_stories_868x575/public/asu_bryan_pietsch_asu_student_life_graduate.campus_life_1.jpg

    Replies: @Kyle, @Anon, @James O'Meara

    The rage of Caliban at NOT seeing his face in the mirror, as Oscar Wilde put it. In typical Prog. fashion, (society must be totally retconned and reconfigured to make a handful of malcontents happy), rather than shelling out for plastic surgery, they expect the rest of us to pay for dynamiting a mountain.

  79. @Wilkey
    There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.

    Notice that these days most....all....of the focus on the so-called theft of Native American land is on land currently occupied by conservatives. So Mt Rushmore, though basically in the middle of nowhere, is more important than; say, California or New York City.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Fluesterwitz, @Known Fact, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    “There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.”

    Absolutely spot-on. Home run!

  80. @Anonymous
    I never though Teddy Roosevelt should have been on there. Always thought he was out of place. They should've stuck with older figures, like another Founding Father, or with an older President, like Andrew Jackson. I don't think TR was important enough to merit it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Che Blutarsky, @Dr. X, @res, @Prester John, @Alden

    They wouldn’t touch it if The Ruling Class agreed to sculpt Obama’s face on it.

  81. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Che Blutarsky


    If anyone thinks that a vote for Biden is a vote against violence and extremism, they deserve the future that they get.

    That’s like voting for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party because you don’t like all the things the SA is doing.
     
    No, Biden at least will bring the temperature down significantly and expose the holes in the Dems coalition. Voting for Trump to stop the protests is like supporting Tsar Nicky in 1917 to put down the Socialists. Too weak and too late. Trump to a very large extent has created this problem. Do you realize in 2016 only 26% of Americans supported removing Confederate monuments? Now a clear majority do - that's Trump's doing. He is so hated that any position he supports immediately becomes toxic to 51% of Americans. The man has a track record of destroying everything he touches - Atlantic City, the XFL, his wives, etc. It was always painfully obvious a Trump Presidency would end badly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Whiskey, @Inquiring Mind, @EmailAsID

    You’re letting your TDS cloud your analysis.

    Trump didn’t cause any of this anti-white leftist madness. The perception that Trump was going to put a halt to the supposed inexorable movement towards a utopia devoid of hideous whiteness (and heterosexuality and the nuclear family and prepubescent children not taking puberty blocking hormones because they identify as the other sex and etc. etc.) caused a backlash.

    Sadly, because there is a profound cultural rot in this nation (and the west in general), the backlash is getting results. Read The Camp of the Saints for a nice description of how the leftist rot weakens the defenses against self-immolation.

    Anyone who looked like they might slow down the humiliation and demoralization of whites and bolster traditional culture and societal structures in the good old U.S. or A. would get the same result.

  82. I never understood why Polk isn’t up there: he backed the Brits off re Maine and Oregon and relieved Mexico of the necessity of effing up California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah and Nevada.

    He did own a bunch of slaves and they were treated very harshly but he brought in as much territory as Jefferson and had to fight a tremendously successful war to do so. The losers got smacked so bad they are still pizzed about it

    As for the noble Lakota, read up on what they did when the Yankee soldiers left to fight the southerners. Was not pretty.

    • Agree: Alden
  83. It’s such a majestic and grand work of art that I think virtually no individual person could wish to see it destroyed. The mob is capable of getting much more carried away than the individual.

  84. @Wilkey
    There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.

    Notice that these days most....all....of the focus on the so-called theft of Native American land is on land currently occupied by conservatives. So Mt Rushmore, though basically in the middle of nowhere, is more important than; say, California or New York City.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Fluesterwitz, @Known Fact, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.

    The concept of “indigenous” or “native” people owning their land, their nations is one that our “elites” decidedly do *not* want to explore.

    This sort of thing begins and ends at “white people bad”.

    ~~~

    Sad to say, but at this point–given where America, and the West is headed–i’d be more than happy with a global rubric of “everyone has to go back”.

    The American Indians could then decide, who–if anyone–they wanted around to help them.

    Worse case, the West would survive–in Europe. And the blight that certain peoples create would be much reduced. It would be a better world.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    I always tell the anti White Jews I know that the land we live on was stolen from the Vasquez family and the Tongva Indians only about 120 years ago and that they should give it back to the Indians and Vasquez descendants.

    Works every time.

  85. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    Never saw the TV show, but it looks like a testament to how TV can take compelling subject matter and make it boring. Still, I give them credit though for 1) understanding that a few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike, and 2) perceiving how easily Abe Lincoln could be slotted into communist iconography. Even the real Lincoln Memorial can strike visitors as Stalinesque.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @captflee, @Dave Pinsen

    The trailer doesn’t do it justice. It was actually very good.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Dave Pinsen

    I thought the trailer looked pretty good.

    I liked the lines about losing our passion, patriotism, and the willingness to sacrifice when it counted.

    Those are all very prescient sentiments for our present.

    I got a kick out of seeing Ferris Bueller's mom and Blue Thunder repurposed as a future Soviet helicopter.

  86. @Anonymous
    I never though Teddy Roosevelt should have been on there. Always thought he was out of place. They should've stuck with older figures, like another Founding Father, or with an older President, like Andrew Jackson. I don't think TR was important enough to merit it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Che Blutarsky, @Dr. X, @res, @Prester John, @Alden

    I believe he’s there because he was the National Parks President. National and state parks camping hiking hunting are a White thing and this was a White run country then. Hispanics like camping and a day at a state park. But blacks are afraid of squirrels and Asians mid easterners etc think camping hiking etc are just weird.

  87. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    More fitting of our idiocratic times: strap immense facediapers on their stony visages.

    Forever.

    Replies: @Ray P

    Unfortunately Christo is dead. However his earlier Over the River scheme for Colorado ran into rough water (and an opportunity to blame its failure on Trump):

    Christo and Jeanne-Claude announced plans for a future project, titled Over The River, to be constructed on the Arkansas River between Salida, Colorado, and Cañon City, Colorado, on the eastern slope of the Rocky mountains. Plans for the project call for horizontally suspending 10.8 km (6.7 mi) of reflective, translucent fabric panels high above the water, on steel cables anchored into the river’s banks. Project plans called for its installation for two weeks during the summer of 2015, at the earliest, and for the river to remain open to recreation during the installation. Reaction among area residents was intense, with supporters hoping for a tourist boom and opponents fearing that the project would ruin the visual appeal of the landscape and inflict damage on the river ecosystem. One local rafting guide compared the project to “hanging pornography in a church.”

    Christo and Jeanne-Claude spent more than $6 million on environmental studies, design engineering, and wind tunnel testing of fabrics. As with past projects, Over The River would be financed entirely by Christo and Jeanne-Claude, through the sale of Christo’s preparatory drawings, collages, scale models, and early works of the 1950s/1960s. On July 16, 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management released its four-volume Draft Environmental Impact Statement, which reported many potentially serious types of adverse impact but also many proposed “mitigation” options.

    In January 2017, after the election of President Trump, Christo canceled the controversial project citing protest of the new administration as well as tiring from the hard-fought legal battle waged by local residents.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Ray P

    "Unfortunately Christo is dead."

    I didn't know that. You should have issued a trigger warning. You just broke my heart!
    What a loss for the artistic world! Lol!

    To paraphrase Nero: "Qualis artifex periit!"

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nero

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Ray P

    I actually saw the valley curtain Christo erected in Rifle Colorado in the first 30 hours before the winds blew it down. https://christojeanneclaude.net/mobile/projects?p=valley-curtain

  88. @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    There are few more baldly hypocritical forms of virtue signaling than complaining about “whites stealing the land of Native Americans” whilst a) inviting millions of more immigrants in to continue stealing it, and b) making absolutely no effort to give the land back to the natives and return to the country from whence you or your ancestors came.
     
    The concept of "indigenous" or "native" people owning their land, their nations is one that our "elites" decidedly do *not* want to explore.

    This sort of thing begins and ends at "white people bad".

    ~~~

    Sad to say, but at this point--given where America, and the West is headed--i'd be more than happy with a global rubric of "everyone has to go back".

    The American Indians could then decide, who--if anyone--they wanted around to help them.

    Worse case, the West would survive--in Europe. And the blight that certain peoples create would be much reduced. It would be a better world.

    Replies: @Alden

    I always tell the anti White Jews I know that the land we live on was stolen from the Vasquez family and the Tongva Indians only about 120 years ago and that they should give it back to the Indians and Vasquez descendants.

    Works every time.

  89. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    TR had the most personality of any American president, like Churchill had the most personality of any UK prime minister.

    Replies: @Geschrei, @Liberty Mike, @Ray P

    But Calvin Coolidge, the President with the least, is the one most favoured by conservatives, isn’t he?

  90. @BB753
    Instead of blowing it all up, how about a makeover? I believe it's possible with modern technology to change those hideous white male faces into the likenesses of real American heroes like Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Barack Obama,and Hillary Clinton (or Tupac, or Floyd, if all Whites are excluded).

    Replies: @Ray P, @Redman, @Cortes

    How about Ed Gein, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy?

    Hold on – for feminism’s sake one of these has to be Eileen Wuros or Valerie Solanos or Hillary.

  91. @BB753
    Instead of blowing it all up, how about a makeover? I believe it's possible with modern technology to change those hideous white male faces into the likenesses of real American heroes like Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Barack Obama,and Hillary Clinton (or Tupac, or Floyd, if all Whites are excluded).

    Replies: @Ray P, @Redman, @Cortes

    Tupac would be cool.

  92. The Lakota stole the Black Hills from the Cheyenne.

    The Cheyenne stole the Black Hills from the Kiowa.

    Nobody knows whether or from whom the Kiowa may have stolen the land. And it’s probably inaccurate to say that one tribe “stole” the land from another. Tribes got displaced and moved on to other lands, where they proceeded to either displace another tribe or learned to share the land with the already present tribe. For example, the Lakota displaced the Cheyenne from their Great Plains territory, so they headed west, where they displaced the Kiowa, only to be later displaced once again by the Lakota. Another displacement was that of the Hopi, who were displaced by the Navajo. Eventually, all of the tribes were displaced by people of European descent. Why we assign greater moral significance to one displacement more than the others, only a SJW would know.

  93. @captflee
    @Almost Missouri

    The commies have always regarded the Sainted Abraham as a kindred spirit. Lincoln Brigade, anyone?

    Replies: @Alden

    Best thing about the Spanish civil war is that the Russian communists put the Lincoln Brigade in the front lines and Franco’s heroes killed many. Which prevented them coming home to America to continue their subversion and treason.

    Francisco Franco and the Spanish Catholic Church and upper classes are the greatest heroes of the 20th century. Only Spain and Finland managed to drive the communists out of their countries despite every Jew and liberal in the world backing the communists.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Alden


    Francisco Franco and the Spanish Catholic Church and upper classes are the greatest heroes of the 20th century
     
    I'd add Pinochet to that list.
  94. @Digital Samizdat
    The New York Times headquarters is sitting on land stolen from the Indians. Manhatten, after all, was named by the Lenape tribe long before the Dutch arrived.

    1519, bitchez!

    Replies: @Pericles

    Good point.

  95. We will always have “North by Northwest” to show us what it looked like.

  96. @NJ Transit Commuter
    If the NYT doesn’t like Mt. Rushmore, how about promoting the completion of the Crazy Horse Memorial? It’s been under construction since 1948 and isn’t anywhere near being done because there is no funding.

    Seems to me that would be a much better way to honor the Lakota, rather than going Taliban on a great American monument.

    A healthy America would recognize and celebrate the greatness of all parts of American society. So, let’s finish the Crazy Horse Memorial and honor a great American warrior. I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples.

    We’ve got to find a way to end the urge to tear each other down, literally and figuratively. Yes, I know that right now the most extreme behavior is on the far left. But compromising with moderate leftists isn’t surrendering, its isolating the radicals. We either isolate extremism, or it will spread and further divide the country.

    Joe Biden, of all people, talked about moving Confederate monuments to museums, but preserving Columbus statues. OK, maybe not the best solution and it’s easy to be cynical and say that Sleepy Joe is just trying to pick up Italian and black votes. But at least it’s a point from which to start a reasonable discussion, and gets Democrats to agree to stand against the vandals intent on destroying our culture.

    I’m sure to be called a “cuck” again, and that’s fine, sticks and stones... But seriously folks, the Silent Majority includes a lot of people that will vote for Biden this fall. We need to stand together, red and blue, to oppose violence and extremism.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @thomasblair, @anon, @WJ, @scott h, @Thea

    We’ve already handed over our inner cities, universities, media, entertainment industry and all large corporations.

    At what point do you think they will say we’ve given enough and our children have the right to live in peace?

  97. @Dave Pinsen
    @Almost Missouri

    The trailer doesn't do it justice. It was actually very good.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    I thought the trailer looked pretty good.

    I liked the lines about losing our passion, patriotism, and the willingness to sacrifice when it counted.

    Those are all very prescient sentiments for our present.

    I got a kick out of seeing Ferris Bueller’s mom and Blue Thunder repurposed as a future Soviet helicopter.

  98. @BB753
    Instead of blowing it all up, how about a makeover? I believe it's possible with modern technology to change those hideous white male faces into the likenesses of real American heroes like Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Barack Obama,and Hillary Clinton (or Tupac, or Floyd, if all Whites are excluded).

    Replies: @Ray P, @Redman, @Cortes

    Sounds like blackface.

    We’re all black when we die, of course. I remember seeing that in an episode of “Taggart”, so it must be true.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taggart

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Cortes

    Indeed, after 7 or 10 days, depending on outside temperature, a cadaver turns black.

  99. @botazefa
    Washington Post has the story today too:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/03/mount-rushmore-gutzon-borglum-klan-stone-mountain/

    It's almost as if Bezos is coordinating with the Salzbergers and BLM.

    Replies: @Ragno

    It’s almost as if Bezos is coordinating with the Salzbergers and BLM.

    Yeah; “almost as if”.

  100. Not a new sentiment. When there were multiple robberies by teenage gangs on BART trains, BART refused to release the video because “To release these videos would create a high level of racially insensitive commentary toward the district,” she was told. “And in addition it would create a racial bias in the riders against minorities on the trains.”

    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/07/09/bart-withholding-surveillance-videos-of-crime-to-avoid-stereotypes/

  101. @Peter Akuleyev
    This article did not appear in the NYT’s Opinion section but in its “News” section.

    Fair enough. All of the below are facts:

    Mount Rushmore was built on land that belonged to the Lakota tribe and sculpted by a man who had strong bonds with the Ku Klux Klan. It features the faces of 2 U.S. presidents who were slaveholders.
     
    Are you disputing them? The story, as it goes, is a real news story and the Times is reporting on what some perhaps well-intentioned, but more likely attention seeking, people are trying to do to a world famous monument and symbol of our country. I also think it is a public service of the NYT to let those of us who don't find the facts mentioned distressing enough to make pulling down a famous monument make sense know that we had better not be too complacent or the left crazies will destroy everything.

    A bigger problem is that Trump, once again, is throwing gasoline on the bonfire to help himself. He and the far left are now locked in a growth spiral feeding on outrage, and everyone else is collateral damage.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Fair enough. All of the below are facts:

    Are they?

    Mount Rushmore was built on land that belonged to the Lakota tribe

    No. The faces were built on US Government land.

    The Lakota forcibly removed the Crow and Cheyenne from the sacred Black Hills. The Lakota enslaved as many of the losers as they could. And the Lakota slaving culture viewed their victims as deserving slavery. Their tribal culture was just like all other tribal cultures. It was ethnocentric, imperialistic, brutal, and absolute.

    The Black Hills belong to the Lakota in the same way that Constantinople belongs to the Turks – by right of conquest. Then the Lakota were conquered by the US government. That should be enough. But in addition to their loss, the Lakota gave up their rights to the Black Hills by treaty in 1877.

    If you want to champion their rights to the Black Hills you have to be grossly unfair and ignorant of history, which you obviously are. Returning Native Lands must begin where they first were taken, and in accordance with the timeline that they were taken. 1619 is the NYT start year. Give back the Eastern Seaboard to Native Americans now. Then, when other states were settled, we can give them back on a four-hundred year scale.

    Or you can recognize this for what it is, another anti-white bigotry attack by the New York Times in service to their anti-Americanism.

  102. @Barnard
    @Anon

    The government already tried to give them a settlement for the Black Hills. There is over $1.3 billion in a trust to compensate the Lakota Sioux for treaty violations. Even though they have been dead broke for generations and most members are non functioning alcoholics they want the land. It was sacred to them so the leadership is holding out for it. Bill Bradley was a big proponent of giving it to them when he was in the Senate.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    They sniff gasoline. To get stoned. And what are you supposed to do with people like that?

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @Jim Christian

    It's understandable that they do:


    If I find a bald eagle feather, can I keep it?
    It is illegal to possess an eagle feather or any other part of an eagle. If you find an eagle feather, you must give it to the proper authorities.
     
  103. @Cortes
    Rename it Mount Cisco and then it’d be untouchable.

    Replies: @Dr. X, @Cato

    Rechisel George Washington into a fair likeness of MLK and it would be untouchable.

  104. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Almost Missouri

    "A few aerial EMPs are more efficacious than an all-out nuclear strike"

    EMPs are bullcrap. Nothing generates extremely strong magnetic fields extending for miles upon miles that destroy all electronics in their wake. Plus all electrical systems - including substations and transformers - have circuit breakers to prevent this sort of damage. EMP is a bogeyman.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    JS: I tend to agree with you, but I have read stories about A-bomb tests in the early days that knocked out comms far away, so please enlighten me.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jim Don Bob

    "I tend to agree with you, but I have read stories about A-bomb tests in the early days that knocked out comms far away, so please enlighten me."

    Lotsa stuff on the web about EMPs. Any nuclear blast powerful enough to create an EMP that wrecks electronics for several square miles will simply physically destroy everything for several square miles like those two cities in Japan. A small nuclear weapon blast creates a weak EMP and does limited damage to electronics. As of now, only nukes generate large EMPs. So an "EMP attack" is a nuclear attack, which leads to MAD. Not gonna happen. Bogeyman.

  105. @scott h
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    You lost me when you said- "I’ve said before I’d support making Juneteenth a national holiday to celebrate the courage of both those who suffered under slavery and those who fought and died to end it. Gotta be lots of other examples."

    How much pandering and sucking up to 13% of the population, with MLK day already a national holiday and the whole month of Feb. set aside as "black history month," will be enough? You give an inch, they take a mile. Making "Juneteenth" a holiday would just give the MSM/woke capital/Dems another day to go non-stop blackety-black-black and induce yet more white guilt and self-loathing.

    Replies: @Swede55

    Agree, plus June 19th is too close to July 4th.

  106. @Anonymous
    This is low-effort outrage. Nobody can maintain the appearance of seriousness railing against some mountains. Their heart isn't in the anti-Rushmore phase, just sufficing for a harebrained diversion from evolving mass-media imagery of, say, West L.A. goldchainers rallying against Israel, a month after vibrants busted up Jewish shopkeepers' windows in Fairfax. Good luck getting the latter to fit comfortably into a focus-grouped, rah-rah Black Power Capital Letters story; so they're proceeding directly to the absurd.

    Replies: @dvorak

    Nobody can maintain the appearance of seriousness railing against some mountains.

    What if it’s a anchoring tactic?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_(cognitive_bias)

    “Wha??!? They’re threatening Mount Rushmore?” “Well, I guess we can blow up Stone Mountain, if they leave us Mount Rushmore.”

  107. Oddly enough, not the Babylon Bee or the Onion, despite the amusing combination of words that don’t seem to belong together:

    California sues Cisco for bias based on Indian caste system
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/California-sues-Cisco-for-bias-based-on-Indian-15380565.php

  108. @Ray P
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Unfortunately Christo is dead. However his earlier Over the River scheme for Colorado ran into rough water (and an opportunity to blame its failure on Trump):


    Christo and Jeanne-Claude announced plans for a future project, titled Over The River, to be constructed on the Arkansas River between Salida, Colorado, and Cañon City, Colorado, on the eastern slope of the Rocky mountains. Plans for the project call for horizontally suspending 10.8 km (6.7 mi) of reflective, translucent fabric panels high above the water, on steel cables anchored into the river's banks. Project plans called for its installation for two weeks during the summer of 2015, at the earliest, and for the river to remain open to recreation during the installation. Reaction among area residents was intense, with supporters hoping for a tourist boom and opponents fearing that the project would ruin the visual appeal of the landscape and inflict damage on the river ecosystem. One local rafting guide compared the project to "hanging pornography in a church."

    ...

    Christo and Jeanne-Claude spent more than $6 million on environmental studies, design engineering, and wind tunnel testing of fabrics. As with past projects, Over The River would be financed entirely by Christo and Jeanne-Claude, through the sale of Christo's preparatory drawings, collages, scale models, and early works of the 1950s/1960s. On July 16, 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management released its four-volume Draft Environmental Impact Statement, which reported many potentially serious types of adverse impact but also many proposed "mitigation" options.

    In January 2017, after the election of President Trump, Christo canceled the controversial project citing protest of the new administration as well as tiring from the hard-fought legal battle waged by local residents.


     

    Replies: @BB753, @Jim Don Bob

    “Unfortunately Christo is dead.”

    I didn’t know that. You should have issued a trigger warning. You just broke my heart!
    What a loss for the artistic world! Lol!

    To paraphrase Nero: “Qualis artifex periit!”

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nero

  109. @Jim Christian
    @Barnard

    They sniff gasoline. To get stoned. And what are you supposed to do with people like that?

    Replies: @Yngvar

    It’s understandable that they do:

    If I find a bald eagle feather, can I keep it?
    It is illegal to possess an eagle feather or any other part of an eagle. If you find an eagle feather, you must give it to the proper authorities.

  110. @Cortes
    @BB753

    Sounds like blackface.

    We’re all black when we die, of course. I remember seeing that in an episode of “Taggart”, so it must be true.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taggart

    Replies: @BB753

    Indeed, after 7 or 10 days, depending on outside temperature, a cadaver turns black.

  111. @Jim Don Bob
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    JS: I tend to agree with you, but I have read stories about A-bomb tests in the early days that knocked out comms far away, so please enlighten me.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “I tend to agree with you, but I have read stories about A-bomb tests in the early days that knocked out comms far away, so please enlighten me.”

    Lotsa stuff on the web about EMPs. Any nuclear blast powerful enough to create an EMP that wrecks electronics for several square miles will simply physically destroy everything for several square miles like those two cities in Japan. A small nuclear weapon blast creates a weak EMP and does limited damage to electronics. As of now, only nukes generate large EMPs. So an “EMP attack” is a nuclear attack, which leads to MAD. Not gonna happen. Bogeyman.

    • Thanks: Jim Don Bob
  112. @Alden
    @captflee

    Best thing about the Spanish civil war is that the Russian communists put the Lincoln Brigade in the front lines and Franco’s heroes killed many. Which prevented them coming home to America to continue their subversion and treason.

    Francisco Franco and the Spanish Catholic Church and upper classes are the greatest heroes of the 20th century. Only Spain and Finland managed to drive the communists out of their countries despite every Jew and liberal in the world backing the communists.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Francisco Franco and the Spanish Catholic Church and upper classes are the greatest heroes of the 20th century

    I’d add Pinochet to that list.

  113. @Ray P
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Unfortunately Christo is dead. However his earlier Over the River scheme for Colorado ran into rough water (and an opportunity to blame its failure on Trump):


    Christo and Jeanne-Claude announced plans for a future project, titled Over The River, to be constructed on the Arkansas River between Salida, Colorado, and Cañon City, Colorado, on the eastern slope of the Rocky mountains. Plans for the project call for horizontally suspending 10.8 km (6.7 mi) of reflective, translucent fabric panels high above the water, on steel cables anchored into the river's banks. Project plans called for its installation for two weeks during the summer of 2015, at the earliest, and for the river to remain open to recreation during the installation. Reaction among area residents was intense, with supporters hoping for a tourist boom and opponents fearing that the project would ruin the visual appeal of the landscape and inflict damage on the river ecosystem. One local rafting guide compared the project to "hanging pornography in a church."

    ...

    Christo and Jeanne-Claude spent more than $6 million on environmental studies, design engineering, and wind tunnel testing of fabrics. As with past projects, Over The River would be financed entirely by Christo and Jeanne-Claude, through the sale of Christo's preparatory drawings, collages, scale models, and early works of the 1950s/1960s. On July 16, 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management released its four-volume Draft Environmental Impact Statement, which reported many potentially serious types of adverse impact but also many proposed "mitigation" options.

    In January 2017, after the election of President Trump, Christo canceled the controversial project citing protest of the new administration as well as tiring from the hard-fought legal battle waged by local residents.


     

    Replies: @BB753, @Jim Don Bob

    I actually saw the valley curtain Christo erected in Rifle Colorado in the first 30 hours before the winds blew it down. https://christojeanneclaude.net/mobile/projects?p=valley-curtain

  114. This blm shit could become worst than the Chinese cultural revolution, without the body count.

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