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More on the Current Year’s burningest topic: “Let’s Talk About Me and My Looks. And My Feelings, You Vicious White Racist, You!” From the Washington Post today:

It ‘makes you feel invisible’
When people can’t tell their co-workers of color apart, it’s a constant reminder that you’re an outsider.

Jonathan Castanien, left, and Nicholas Pilapil were often mistaken for each other by their white co-workers.

Maybe one of you could try a less unfortunate haircut?

Basically, coworkers almost never notice changes in your facial hair, but they do notice and comment upon when you get a haircut. (I’ve worn glasses my whole life, but I suspect they don’t overtly notice switching from glasses to contacts much either.)

By Rachel Hatzipanagos

Immigriping.

MAY 2, 2019

It happened again. Nicholas Pilapil got an email clearly meant for his co-worker, Jonathan Castanien. Previously, Pilapil had missed a meeting invitation because their white co-workers couldn’t tell them apart.

Are we really sure their most forgetful co-workers are white? Or is it just safe to blame whites but not to blame nonwhites? Is there any evidence that blacks or Mexicans are better at and more sensitive to distinguishing Asians apart than are whites?

Pilapil called Castanien his “work twin” — sarcastically, because they bear only a passing resemblance to each other. Aside from being in their 20s, they don’t share many characteristics: Pilapil is Filipino, has fuller lips, a squarer jaw and a darker complexion than Castanien, who is Vietnamese, Chinese and German.

While their cubicles were next to each other, Pilapil worked in communications and Castanien worked in public relations.

You have to be pretty darn racist not to immediately grasp the profound differences between working in Communications versus working in Public Relations!

The only thing that could have prompted their colleagues’ confusion, Pilapil says, was that they both had Asian heritage.

That and the quasi-Mohawk haircuts. And being the same height. And about the same age.

Pilapil and Castanien’s experience is common. When About Us asked people of color on Twitter for stories about being misidentified in predominantly white places, more than 400 people replied, including a digital marketing consultant whose client kept calling him by his gardener’s name and a professor whose student turned in a paper with the wrong professor’s name.

The implication is that, while white people are seen as individuals, other groups are often viewed as a monolith, with their race or ethnicity becoming the defining characteristic of who they are.

“If we just identify someone as a ‘black person,’ then that is how we are going to see them,” said Kareem Johnson, an associate professor of psychology at Temple University.

While many on the receiving end of this phenomenon say it’s another example of every day racism, it does not necessarily indicate negative racial attitudes, Johnson said. Rather, it’s part of a larger cognitive problem called the cross-race effect — essentially, the impression that people of a race other than your own “all look the same.”

“We have much more difficulty recognizing people of a different racial group than we do our own,” he said.

But the racial demographics of the United States make that far less likely, given 65 percent of U.S. workers are white. And white people are far more visible in U.S. media, making all Americans more attuned to their physical differences.

The only solution is:

A. Import vastly more people of other races so whites aren’t a majority anymore.

B. Put nonwhite media personalities, like the author, on TV much more often.

While #RepresentationMatters has become a cultural force in demanding visibility for people of color in film and television in recent years, generations of Americans have grown up watching mostly white faces on screen and in speaking roles where they are given more depth and humanity.

“As a minority in America, you’re much more likely to get practice differentiating between white faces due to more exposure,” Johnson said.

While there are cognitive explanations for the “work twin” problem, these kinds of common, subtle slights, known as microaggressions, cause undue stress over time. Microaggressions — such as asking Asian Americans where they’re from or repeatedly mispronouncing a person’s name — make people of color permanent outsiders and create constant discomfort in offices, schools and other places where they have to be.

When I was a kid, I noticed that people constantly misspelled “Steven Sailer:”

Stephen Sailer

Steven Sailor

Stephen Saylor

Steven Seiler

etc etc etc

So, I settled on being “Steve Sailer.” Everybody finds it easy to spell “Steve.” As for misspelling my last name, well, I got over it.

 
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  1. As Paul Simon said,”The answer is easy if you take it logically…” GTFO!!!!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    As Paul Simon said,”The answer is easy if you take it logically…” GTFO!!!!
     
    Exactly.

    This stuff isn't exactly logical rocket science.

    Hey, if you came, your parents came and you've taken the whole "immigration" thing seriously and integrated well to American white middle class norms--great.

    But if it *bothers* you being a minority and you fell all oppressed by it ... your problem isn't with white-bread me and my--perfectly natural--skill at distinguishing among individuals of my own tribe and relative lack of it for distinguishing among individuals of foreign tribes. That's just human biology. Rather your problem is with yourself or your parents for putting yourself in this being-a-minority situation. And the remedy is at hand--go back.

    This whining is just another example--as if we needed another--for diversity being a source of contention and conflict, and just a big pain in the ass.

    Multi-cultural/multi-ethnic societies are deeply unnatural. They generally have a short, unhappy half-life, and move to something more pleasant and stable. Importing people to keep your society diverse, ergo unstable and unhappy is an extremely dumb idea--as this little whiny snippet hints at.
  2. You have to be pretty darn racist not to immediately grasp the profound differences between working in Communications versus working in Public Relations!

    Excellent! You are one step ahead of me, Steve. (Of course, you had that head start in thinking of the post itself.)

    I like your same two solution options that seem to work for all of these Workspace Complainers.

    How about a 3rd option, though:

    C. Get a haircut, and get a real job!

    https://www..youtube.com/watch?v=Adz1aWRsDw8

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Dang it! Here's George Throrogood and his Delaware Destroyers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adz1aWRsDw8
    , @Lurker
    A 4th solution - go home.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    A while back there were twin 6’7” brothers on the Wisconsin rowing team. They later went to the Olympics together.

    Word has it they would get a little peeved if people mistook them while rowing. After all, one rowed on the port side, the other starboard.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Do you realize you're discouraging Asian kids from their dream of becoming rock or hip hop stars, you fellow racist bastard?
  3. You are outsiders.

  4. When people can’t tell their co-workers of color apart, it’s a constant reminder that you’re an outsider.

    That’s rich, coming from the people who invade America and then call (ethnically Slavic, Celtic, and , yes, even, sometimes, Negro!) Americans “Anglos” all damned day.

    The difference is we live here. It’s one thing to move to a foreign land and endure people there not being bothered to learn about your particular shit-hole of origin; it’s quite another to stay where you are, mind your own business, and yet be subjected to invaders constantly saying and doing insulting and stupid things shit vis-a-vis your culture….

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Mr McKenna
  5. Any easy way to stop racists from mispronouncing the names of people of colour is to refer to everyone by a number. Perhaps using several digits of their social security or student number. This has the added benefit of preventing a hostile environment for non-Christians who may find the use of Saint’s names as first names (aka Christian names) a constant microaggression.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMtQLGCY7Vc
  6. @Achmed E. Newman

    You have to be pretty darn racist not to immediately grasp the profound differences between working in Communications versus working in Public Relations!
     
    Excellent! You are one step ahead of me, Steve. (Of course, you had that head start in thinking of the post itself.)

    I like your same two solution options that seem to work for all of these Workspace Complainers.

    How about a 3rd option, though:

    C. Get a haircut, and get a real job!

    https://www..youtube.com/watch?v=Adz1aWRsDw8

    Dang it! Here’s George Throrogood and his Delaware Destroyers:

    • LOL: South Texas Guy
    • Replies: @dvorak
    Counterpoint
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsbqVJLFow
  7. 0bama had a ‘composite’ white girlfriend, but that seems fair to me. Most middle class mudsharks couldn’t pick their boyfriends out of a lineup, though it’s not for lack of opportunity.

    • Replies: @al anon
    For identification, they should try the other anatomical item that sticks out of the lineup's suits.
    The one you could hang a hat on.
  8. Anonymous[323] • Disclaimer says:

    This is good. It shows that so-called Woke people are plenty biased and bigoted in their way. It’s a globo-community problem.

    It may have less to do with looks than the dull boring personality of most Asians. They drone on and on. They may not look the same but act and talk the same. Also, PC turned everyone into a dull hipster and they all act and talk alike. It’s a problem among whites too.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/03/11/hipster-effect-man-mistakes-photo-himself-article-mit-review/3129327002/

  9. Hmmm, today I was profiled by a POC at my workplace, and he made a very “racial” joke at my expense. Because I’m a white dude with blue eyes. He also asked what my hair color was as a youth. Maybe I can write an opinion piece for the Times or Post, lol

  10. Yeesh:

    • Replies: @FredCDobbs
    and that's her best photo.

    With the WaPo...

    --Curated articles for The Post’s national news app and optimized headlines as needed to engage our mobile audience.

    --Contributed articles for The Lily, a new product that is aimed at millennial women.

    --Produced and wrote for About Us, a newsletter that explores race and identity.

    I would say the WaPo turns over every rock to find its Social Justice Warrior army....and then I sadly realize our Elite Academic Institutions are churning them out by the bushel full.

    https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AAuE7mDxJIotpZJ2tDKY_RsW0AkTwNpaAZJY_EuI=s900-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no
    , @Redneck farmer
    When are women going to be taught Don't Show Your Teeth When Smiling? A lot of females, and this is one of them, would look a lot better without her chompers exposed.
  11. These two young Asian men with similar haircuts each deserve to be treated as unique individuals, but at some moments they weren’t, and all two hundred million of you white people should be ashamed about that.

    a professor whose student turned in a paper with the wrong professor’s name

    I remember one time in my organic chemistry class, somebody in the big lecture hall had a question for the lecturer, a younger guy who I think was still trying to get tenure, but called out the name of the guy who taught the other section. The Nobel laureate.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
  12. Well, another problem for them: they both give off that Asian gay vibe.

  13. There are a couple of elements of basic human psychology on display here. The progressive are not completely wrong:

    a) People are better at distinguishing things that they are familiar with. For example, you may think that music genres that you don’t care for all sound alike. And so it’s possible that if you are born and raised in a multicultural society, you might indeed get better at distinguishing people of all ethnicities.

    b) People notice differences, and become more self-conscious when they perceive themselves as different — especially if the difference is not something they’re confident with. And so any minority will likely perceive a slight — no matter how non-malicious — as hurtful. The same slight from an in-group peer would be ignored or laughed about.

    This is why I push back when people want to make fun of progressives as morons. There is truth and logic in the above. It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.

    Now, there is plenty that progressives get wrong, too. When they start with “these micro-aggressions causes erasure of my work and of the space that my body occupies” stuff, they miss the point. It’s much simpler — it’s natural to feel uncomfortable when you’re different.

    And people are different, psychologically, at the genetic level. So this isn’t a problem that can be fully cured with training or environment. And of course, progressives very much dislike that.

    • Replies: @anon

    It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.
     
    Which is why Steve's proposed solution is the proposed solution, and why moving back to wherever you or your parents came from would also work: the only way to avoid the "not fun" of being a minority is to not be a minority.

    Well, I suppose you could also develop the psychological or philosophical strength to cope with it, but who's gonna do that?
    , @J.Ross
    So in briefer words their "complaint" amounts to "I COMMAND THAT YOU LIKE ME!"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VatU6MJYEI0
    If they want us to notice when they're not around, that must mean we're so f&$#ing special.
    , @AnotherDad

    This is why I push back when people want to make fun of progressives as morons. There is truth and logic in the above. It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.
     
    Your point a and b are correct, but this doesn't make progressives right it makes them deeply wrong.

    Yes, being a minority is not fun--it naturally creates these feelings of difference, which indeed psychologically upsetting to some people.

    But that just highlights how deeply stupid progressives "diversity is our greatest strength" slogan is. And how deeply stupid and destructive there policy of ramping up diversity with mass immigration is.
  14. @AKAHorace
    Any easy way to stop racists from mispronouncing the names of people of colour is to refer to everyone by a number. Perhaps using several digits of their social security or student number. This has the added benefit of preventing a hostile environment for non-Christians who may find the use of Saint's names as first names (aka Christian names) a constant microaggression.

  15. They’re writing all these articles because there is demand for them. All these UMC Millenials who got hoaxed into blowing a quarter mil on a fake liberal arts education can’t get enough of reminding themselves how woke they are so they don’t have to face reality.

  16. Because, you know, it’s not like the Norks pretty much all look alike or anything like that…..

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I zoomed in on that picture to be able to make a snarky reply about how individual their faces do look (and they do), but it's an incredibly sad picture when you can see their faces clearly. They're all bony. Some look older than they should. All have frightened expressions.
    , @slumber_j
    P.J. O'Rourke wrote about the (South) Koreans in Rolling Stone in January or February of 1988 and racistly pointed out that a crowd of them really did consist of pretty similar-looking people: narrow range of complexions, same eye color and of course same hair. This is why calling it a "cross-race effect" is nonsense: it really is easier to tell, say, a freckled redhead from a brunet than to tell one Somali from another, no matter the observer's race.
    , @britishbrainsize1325ccsnicker
    at least people know ajapanese from a korean or chinese but dark colored people dont know the difference between the trailer trash and germ scando and slavs when the difference is stark between the small brained trailer trash big truck riding people and the mid westerners
    , @Father O'Hara
    Front row,second man from left...is that Obama???!
  17. 216 says:

    While #RepresentationMatters has become a cultural force in demanding visibility for people of color in film and television in recent years, generations of Americans have grown up watching mostly white faces on screen and in speaking roles where they are given more depth and humanity.

    Conservatives are not given positive media portrayals in Hollywood, they are less represented among professors than blacks.

    But that’s OK, to oppress the Silent Minority.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Small c conservatives are a healthy majority, Capital C a shrinking minority. Perhaps the capital Cs should try to conserve something for a change and see if they can change that.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/05/20/russell-kirk-a-conservative-guide-for-our-times/

  18. Pilapil is Filipino, has fuller lips, a squarer jaw and a darker complexion than Castanien, who is Vietnamese, Chinese and German.

    Their coworkers should give them nicknames based on personality, with a nod to their respective ethnic backgrounds. Castanien seems the more serious of the two, while Pilapil looks gay in all senses of the word.

    Castanien: Dr. No

    Pilapil: Jollibee

    • Replies: @FredCDobbs
    Jollibee................LOL LOL LOL!
  19. @Achmed E. Newman

    You have to be pretty darn racist not to immediately grasp the profound differences between working in Communications versus working in Public Relations!
     
    Excellent! You are one step ahead of me, Steve. (Of course, you had that head start in thinking of the post itself.)

    I like your same two solution options that seem to work for all of these Workspace Complainers.

    How about a 3rd option, though:

    C. Get a haircut, and get a real job!

    https://www..youtube.com/watch?v=Adz1aWRsDw8

    A 4th solution – go home.

    • Agree: donut
  20. maybe because white people have more variation in terms of hair color, eye color, even skin color (from very white to mediterranean bronze). There is far less variation in other races, especially Asians

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That’s because we are not “white people”
    We have our own ethnicities, which no one will acknowledge. Blond, blue-eyed Swedes in Sweden look alike to me. Irish freckled redheads in Ireland look alike to me. Letting others lump us together as “white” people is our punishment for assimilating in order to become American.
    , @AKAHorace
    maybe because white people have more variation in terms of hair color, eye color, even skin color (from very white to mediterranean bronze). There is far less variation in other races, especially Asians



    We all look a bit weird to Asians, they have trouble telling us apart.
    , @Jmaie
    Meh, the Asian side of my family is quite open about all white people looking alike...
  21. @Achmed E. Newman

    You have to be pretty darn racist not to immediately grasp the profound differences between working in Communications versus working in Public Relations!
     
    Excellent! You are one step ahead of me, Steve. (Of course, you had that head start in thinking of the post itself.)

    I like your same two solution options that seem to work for all of these Workspace Complainers.

    How about a 3rd option, though:

    C. Get a haircut, and get a real job!

    https://www..youtube.com/watch?v=Adz1aWRsDw8

    A while back there were twin 6’7” brothers on the Wisconsin rowing team. They later went to the Olympics together.

    Word has it they would get a little peeved if people mistook them while rowing. After all, one rowed on the port side, the other starboard.

  22. A serious program of deportation would put a stop to this whining.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    A serious program of deportation would put a stop to this whining.
     
    Amen. If I were running for president, I think that would be the sum total of my platform.
  23. @216

    While #RepresentationMatters has become a cultural force in demanding visibility for people of color in film and television in recent years, generations of Americans have grown up watching mostly white faces on screen and in speaking roles where they are given more depth and humanity.
     
    Conservatives are not given positive media portrayals in Hollywood, they are less represented among professors than blacks.

    But that's OK, to oppress the Silent Minority.

    Small c conservatives are a healthy majority, Capital C a shrinking minority. Perhaps the capital Cs should try to conserve something for a change and see if they can change that.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/05/20/russell-kirk-a-conservative-guide-for-our-times/

  24. anon[896] • Disclaimer says:
    @megabar
    There are a couple of elements of basic human psychology on display here. The progressive are not completely wrong:

    a) People are better at distinguishing things that they are familiar with. For example, you may think that music genres that you don't care for all sound alike. And so it's possible that if you are born and raised in a multicultural society, you might indeed get better at distinguishing people of all ethnicities.

    b) People notice differences, and become more self-conscious when they perceive themselves as different -- especially if the difference is not something they're confident with. And so any minority will likely perceive a slight -- no matter how non-malicious -- as hurtful. The same slight from an in-group peer would be ignored or laughed about.

    This is why I push back when people want to make fun of progressives as morons. There is truth and logic in the above. It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.

    Now, there is plenty that progressives get wrong, too. When they start with "these micro-aggressions causes erasure of my work and of the space that my body occupies" stuff, they miss the point. It's much simpler -- it's natural to feel uncomfortable when you're different.

    And people are different, psychologically, at the genetic level. So this isn't a problem that can be fully cured with training or environment. And of course, progressives very much dislike that.

    It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.

    Which is why Steve’s proposed solution is the proposed solution, and why moving back to wherever you or your parents came from would also work: the only way to avoid the “not fun” of being a minority is to not be a minority.

    Well, I suppose you could also develop the psychological or philosophical strength to cope with it, but who’s gonna do that?

    • Replies: @megabar
    > Which is why Steve’s proposed solution is the proposed solution

    Hmmm, as much as I read Steve's stuff, I guess I've never seen his solution as such. Is it separation, like Jared Taylor proposes?

    > Well, I suppose you could also develop the psychological or philosophical strength to cope with it

    This is where I actually have sympathy for minorities. I don't think being an outsider is much fun. Some people can deal with it, but many can't, and many of those have no choice (e.g. the child of an immigrant).

    That is, progressives' incorrect theories that blame fake causes result in very real misery, including for the minorities they want to help.
  25. Anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t you know that’s why all those millennials get tattoos? It’s so they can tell each other apart.

    More seriously, the Feel Invisible generation (which gets all weepy about being ignored) is the result of having so many divorced parents. Since one parent was always missing, their kids felt like they never got enough attention. Hence their attempts to make themselves stand out come hell or high water.

    • Replies: @JimS
    Mr. 166,
    I disagree with your causal analysis. I believe the biggest recent effects are decline in family size, as well as the divorce rate, both of which would increase attention on individual children as parents compete for their affection. I leave the results of these effects as an exercise for the reader.
  26. I recall growing up, and even to this day, people confusing my last name for my first name. I once had a teacher who couldn’t get it straight. I finally asked him to show me the class roster. I pointed out to him that every name on the roster was listed by last name, then a comma, then a first name and middle initial. I then pointed to my name which was in that format and told him, “that’s my name”.

    But he was the exception. Just a few people make that mistake and most, except him, seem to understand immediately when I point it out. I certainly take no offense, and usually we both have a laugh, that teacher excepted.

  27. Pilapil looks like a girl, so hard to believe anyone mistakes her for the more masculine Castanien.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    Me too. I thought he was perhaps an American Indian woman.
  28. @megabar
    There are a couple of elements of basic human psychology on display here. The progressive are not completely wrong:

    a) People are better at distinguishing things that they are familiar with. For example, you may think that music genres that you don't care for all sound alike. And so it's possible that if you are born and raised in a multicultural society, you might indeed get better at distinguishing people of all ethnicities.

    b) People notice differences, and become more self-conscious when they perceive themselves as different -- especially if the difference is not something they're confident with. And so any minority will likely perceive a slight -- no matter how non-malicious -- as hurtful. The same slight from an in-group peer would be ignored or laughed about.

    This is why I push back when people want to make fun of progressives as morons. There is truth and logic in the above. It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.

    Now, there is plenty that progressives get wrong, too. When they start with "these micro-aggressions causes erasure of my work and of the space that my body occupies" stuff, they miss the point. It's much simpler -- it's natural to feel uncomfortable when you're different.

    And people are different, psychologically, at the genetic level. So this isn't a problem that can be fully cured with training or environment. And of course, progressives very much dislike that.

    So in briefer words their “complaint” amounts to “I COMMAND THAT YOU LIKE ME!”

    If they want us to notice when they’re not around, that must mean we’re so f&$#ing special.

    • Replies: @megabar
    > So in briefer words their “complaint” amounts to “I COMMAND THAT YOU LIKE ME!”

    I don't think so. I think what they're doing is entirely natural. They're being put in a tough spot.

    Imagine I took a Japanese kid and integrated him into a normal African life. He'd go to school with regular African kids, etc. He quickly realize that he's not the same, physically or mentally. He'd feel like an outsider. He'd be more wounded than normal when he's picked on, even in fun, because he knows he really is different.

    The real problem in the US is not that Whites are particularly mean. It's that multiracial societies introduce inevitable challenges, due to human psychology.
  29. What’s the hardest job in the world?
    Police sketch artist in China

  30. J.Ross says: • Website
    @FredCDobbs
    Because, you know, it's not like the Norks pretty much all look alike or anything like that.....

    https://sinkorschwim.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/nkorea21.jpg

    I zoomed in on that picture to be able to make a snarky reply about how individual their faces do look (and they do), but it’s an incredibly sad picture when you can see their faces clearly. They’re all bony. Some look older than they should. All have frightened expressions.

    • Replies: @FredCDobbs
    so i dashed your snarky hopes. Just admit it----there is not a lot of physical diversity on the Korean peninsula. Look at random crowd shots. More diversity in Japan. Much, much more in China (though it's a far larger country, of course) Indians all have black hair...but there's a wide variety in appearance.....except they all sport 70s Porn Star mustache - and some of the men even wear them as well. =)
  31. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Pilapil is Filipino, has fuller lips, a squarer jaw and a darker complexion than Castanien, who is Vietnamese, Chinese and German.
     
    Their coworkers should give them nicknames based on personality, with a nod to their respective ethnic backgrounds. Castanien seems the more serious of the two, while Pilapil looks gay in all senses of the word.

    Castanien: Dr. No

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6c/DrJuliusNo.jpg/220px-DrJuliusNo.jpg

    Pilapil: Jollibee

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Jollibee_2011_logo.svg/220px-Jollibee_2011_logo.svg.png

    Jollibee…………….LOL LOL LOL!

  32. Were you a school bully when you were younger?

    Why grapple with this idiocy? You’re supposed to be a serious person.

  33. Seriously, what alternative universe do these people live in?

    The world I live in hardly any black folk I work with can ever remember a white co-worker’s name while most whites know the names of their black co-workers.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It is a favorite theme of 70s blaxploitation (and now, mainstream movies) that white men will stop at nothing to rape a black woman (notably Guy from Harlem, Black Gestapo, and Space is the Place; many others). This is downright odious considering the reality: it's not just escapist nonsense, it's deliberate obfuscation. A lot of this stuff can be best explained by recognizing it as not only fiction but unhinged self-serving fantasy, but then, in the current mass media landscape, fantasy is taken as totally serious metaphorical statements about reality.
    , @Lowe
    Black people are holy under the reigning ideology. East Asians are simply not allowed to criticize blacks.

    The article would never be published if it mentioned, truthfully, that several of their black co-workers do not even TRY to tell them apart.
  34. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andy
    maybe because white people have more variation in terms of hair color, eye color, even skin color (from very white to mediterranean bronze). There is far less variation in other races, especially Asians

    That’s because we are not “white people”
    We have our own ethnicities, which no one will acknowledge. Blond, blue-eyed Swedes in Sweden look alike to me. Irish freckled redheads in Ireland look alike to me. Letting others lump us together as “white” people is our punishment for assimilating in order to become American.

    • Replies: @FredCDobbs
    you must be deep into the bong. Swedes have a wide variation in hair color. As do Irish. In fact, having spent several weeks there - mostly in areas "Beyond the Pale" of Dublin, you see relatively few Irish with red hair
  35. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Yeesh:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/984489810063699970/TC39ZLYZ.jpg

    and that’s her best photo.

    With the WaPo…

    –Curated articles for The Post’s national news app and optimized headlines as needed to engage our mobile audience.

    –Contributed articles for The Lily, a new product that is aimed at millennial women.

    –Produced and wrote for About Us, a newsletter that explores race and identity.

    I would say the WaPo turns over every rock to find its Social Justice Warrior army….and then I sadly realize our Elite Academic Institutions are churning them out by the bushel full.

    https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AAuE7mDxJIotpZJ2tDKY_RsW0AkTwNpaAZJY_EuI=s900-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no

    • Replies: @Lot
    “optimized headlines as needed to engage our mobile audience”

    Changed the normal headlines used in the dead tree version of articles into uninformative click bait headlines.
  36. @Andy
    maybe because white people have more variation in terms of hair color, eye color, even skin color (from very white to mediterranean bronze). There is far less variation in other races, especially Asians

    maybe because white people have more variation in terms of hair color, eye color, even skin color (from very white to mediterranean bronze). There is far less variation in other races, especially Asians

    We all look a bit weird to Asians, they have trouble telling us apart.

  37. Like I said a few threads ago, just mandate barcodes on everyone’s forehead and cybernetic ocular implants. Voila!

  38. As for misspelling my last name, well, I got over it.

    I still can’t use my middle initial, because when combined with my last name, even the computers are confused.

    Of course, my grandmother misspelled my first name constantly.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    When I was growing up everyone kept telling me to shut up. Go figure.
    , @al anon
    I agree with Speaks James. If my Mom had heard me talk like that to an adult, she would have snatched me bald headed.
  39. Growing up in the Eighties, I had no problem distinguishing between the all Black cast members of the Cosby Show, one of many shows and musical acts with all Black casts in the racist past. I don’t remember whites complaining about the many shows showing a total lack of white representation, not just in the Eighties but in the Seventies, too. I also haven’t seen many (any) workplaces where it was a disadvantage to look like a coworker.

    It is hard to sympathize with someone whose physical similarity to a co-worker means a license to skip a downtime-waster meeting, especially when you’ve been in many—and I do mean many—workplaces where having the same social, physical, educational, age and family-composition characteristics as your coworkers was the key to retaining employment.

    Looking the same as coworkers, and being a fellow mom, was put far above every-month quota meeting and all-day, everyday attendance. Meetings often consisted of things like kindgarten circles of look-alike, sound-alike moms, engaging in non-work-related, mom-bonding social activites. There aren’t many Asians in my state, but if these guys had functional wombs implanted, they’d fit in the voted-best-for-moms jobs, with brownie points for physical similarities.

    Those two guys don’t look alike, though. The distance between the corners of their eyes and their noses and the corners of their eyes and the end of their noses is majorly. One guy has a wide nose, while the other has a long, narrow nose. One guy has a long, wide chin, whereas the other has a shorter, less prominent chin. One guy has chubbier checks than the other.

    Have they reproduced, though? Do they have spousal income or layers of monthly welfare and child tax credits to beef up their low income in the all-mom workplace? This would determine their fate in many workplaces, regardless of facial features.

    Perhaps, their fields are dominated by young people. Many workplaces have nearly all mom employees. Many have nearly all Black employees. Many have nearly all Hispanic employees. Many have nearly all young employees, or a few managers are older, while the overwhelming majority of underlings are youths. When oppressed minorities benefit from a biased hiring of the young, that’s okay, just like it’s okay to hire mostly Asians, but when when whites can’t tell two Asians apart, the workplace has a problem with bigotry.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The Cosby show really was a long-lived, massively unifying thing, and there's nothing like it now. Black people doing normal stuff and not crying about racism every minute. Because evil racist whites hate blacks so much, it was the biggest thing on TV, and the writers of the Simpsons worried that they would not be able to compete with it. The lack of mention of the Cosby show through all the mass media self-congratulation over Black Panther was like the memory holing of the Lily Tomlin and Bette Midler comedies while journalists crowed that a Hangover retread had finally invented female comedy.
  40. Is there any evidence that blacks or Mexicans are better at and more sensitive to distinguishing Asians apart than are whites?

    No. Most of the time they can’t even be arsed to try.

  41. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon
    Seriously, what alternative universe do these people live in?

    The world I live in hardly any black folk I work with can ever remember a white co-worker's name while most whites know the names of their black co-workers.

    It is a favorite theme of 70s blaxploitation (and now, mainstream movies) that white men will stop at nothing to rape a black woman (notably Guy from Harlem, Black Gestapo, and Space is the Place; many others). This is downright odious considering the reality: it’s not just escapist nonsense, it’s deliberate obfuscation. A lot of this stuff can be best explained by recognizing it as not only fiction but unhinged self-serving fantasy, but then, in the current mass media landscape, fantasy is taken as totally serious metaphorical statements about reality.

    • Replies: @Escher
    And how is this relevant to the topic at hand?
  42. The implication is that, while white people are seen as individuals, other groups are often viewed as a monolith, with their race or ethnicity becoming the defining characteristic of who they are.

    No. That’s not “the implication,” that’s “your unsupported inferrence.”

    The super-annoying common denominator of “woke” writing is that it just assumes whatever point it’s trying to make is already “settled science” just because some other wokesters think it is true.

    But suppose your office has two 5’2 white girls who are about 25 years old, weigh 130 pounds, have pierced noses, and short blue hair. Of course people are going to file them both under the mental category of “the dumpy little blue-haired chick” and will be constantly mixing them up.

    But why let facts get in the way of a good inferrence of racism.

  43. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:

    They can’t change their hair.
    With Dr. No’s delicate features and Jollibee’s soft features, they need those faux-hawk haircuts so they won’t be mistaken for women.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    Those haircuts just make them look gay. Which is no surprise, because they probably both are gay, given their professions.
    , @Lot
    Jollibee is a chain of Filipino fast food restaurants with a jolly bee mascot.

    https://johannadungca.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/jollibee-menu.jpg
  44. The bugman hates being reminded that he is a bugman.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Lol!
  45. How much harder will it get to tell people apart once the globalist fantasy of a single Uber-mixed race becomes a reality?

  46. Easiest way to solve this problem, go where they are already the majority, so they’ll never be mistaken for someone else, like their ancestral homeland, or just the same continent.

    For example, I’m sure the 1.3 billion people in China can all easily tell one another apart, no one has ever been mistaken for anyone else.

    • Replies: @anon
    best of all their feefees will never get hurt by evil whites
  47. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Endgame Napoleon
    Growing up in the Eighties, I had no problem distinguishing between the all Black cast members of the Cosby Show, one of many shows and musical acts with all Black casts in the racist past. I don’t remember whites complaining about the many shows showing a total lack of white representation, not just in the Eighties but in the Seventies, too. I also haven’t seen many (any) workplaces where it was a disadvantage to look like a coworker.

    It is hard to sympathize with someone whose physical similarity to a co-worker means a license to skip a downtime-waster meeting, especially when you’ve been in many—and I do mean many—workplaces where having the same social, physical, educational, age and family-composition characteristics as your coworkers was the key to retaining employment.

    Looking the same as coworkers, and being a fellow mom, was put far above every-month quota meeting and all-day, everyday attendance. Meetings often consisted of things like kindgarten circles of look-alike, sound-alike moms, engaging in non-work-related, mom-bonding social activites. There aren’t many Asians in my state, but if these guys had functional wombs implanted, they’d fit in the voted-best-for-moms jobs, with brownie points for physical similarities.

    Those two guys don’t look alike, though. The distance between the corners of their eyes and their noses and the corners of their eyes and the end of their noses is majorly. One guy has a wide nose, while the other has a long, narrow nose. One guy has a long, wide chin, whereas the other has a shorter, less prominent chin. One guy has chubbier checks than the other.

    Have they reproduced, though? Do they have spousal income or layers of monthly welfare and child tax credits to beef up their low income in the all-mom workplace? This would determine their fate in many workplaces, regardless of facial features.

    Perhaps, their fields are dominated by young people. Many workplaces have nearly all mom employees. Many have nearly all Black employees. Many have nearly all Hispanic employees. Many have nearly all young employees, or a few managers are older, while the overwhelming majority of underlings are youths. When oppressed minorities benefit from a biased hiring of the young, that’s okay, just like it’s okay to hire mostly Asians, but when when whites can’t tell two Asians apart, the workplace has a problem with bigotry.

    The Cosby show really was a long-lived, massively unifying thing, and there’s nothing like it now. Black people doing normal stuff and not crying about racism every minute. Because evil racist whites hate blacks so much, it was the biggest thing on TV, and the writers of the Simpsons worried that they would not be able to compete with it. The lack of mention of the Cosby show through all the mass media self-congratulation over Black Panther was like the memory holing of the Lily Tomlin and Bette Midler comedies while journalists crowed that a Hangover retread had finally invented female comedy.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Well, really,Cosby's kind of an embarrassment to the cause, isn't he?
  48. I was on the opposite end of this. One time I quit college and all of my coworkers were Mexican (American). I’d hang out with one guy at his house, we’d drink beer, have cookouts, etc. He’d always tell me I reminded him of his brother in law, Jim (a white dude). Sometimes his brothers, nieces, nephews would drive by and say ‘I thought you were my uncle Jim!’

    After a year or so, I finally met Jim. We were both medium to large build, he was about an inch taller than me, our haircuts weren’t even remotely similar, and we didn’t look anything alike as far as facial features went. So the ‘they all look alike’ thing goes across all cultures.

    I’d put the Seinfeld ‘Sugar Ray Leonard’ scene up, but I’m feeling too lazy.

  49. @Oleaginous Outrager

    As for misspelling my last name, well, I got over it.
     
    I still can't use my middle initial, because when combined with my last name, even the computers are confused.

    Of course, my grandmother misspelled my first name constantly.

    When I was growing up everyone kept telling me to shut up. Go figure.

  50. @Anon2019
    Easiest way to solve this problem, go where they are already the majority, so they'll never be mistaken for someone else, like their ancestral homeland, or just the same continent.

    For example, I'm sure the 1.3 billion people in China can all easily tell one another apart, no one has ever been mistaken for anyone else.

    best of all their feefees will never get hurt by evil whites

  51. @Father O'Hara
    As Paul Simon said,"The answer is easy if you take it logically..." GTFO!!!!

    As Paul Simon said,”The answer is easy if you take it logically…” GTFO!!!!

    Exactly.

    This stuff isn’t exactly logical rocket science.

    Hey, if you came, your parents came and you’ve taken the whole “immigration” thing seriously and integrated well to American white middle class norms–great.

    But if it *bothers* you being a minority and you fell all oppressed by it … your problem isn’t with white-bread me and my–perfectly natural–skill at distinguishing among individuals of my own tribe and relative lack of it for distinguishing among individuals of foreign tribes. That’s just human biology. Rather your problem is with yourself or your parents for putting yourself in this being-a-minority situation. And the remedy is at hand–go back.

    This whining is just another example–as if we needed another–for diversity being a source of contention and conflict, and just a big pain in the ass.

    Multi-cultural/multi-ethnic societies are deeply unnatural. They generally have a short, unhappy half-life, and move to something more pleasant and stable. Importing people to keep your society diverse, ergo unstable and unhappy is an extremely dumb idea–as this little whiny snippet hints at.

  52. Pilapil is Filipino

    That should be Pilipino. No colonial Castillian labiodental fricatives, please.

    Castanien, who is Vietnamese, Chinese and German.

    A Vichykraut!

    I’m glad they cleared that up. I was under the impression, from his name, that he might have been a percussion instrument. An idiophone.

    a digital marketing consultant whose client kept calling him by his gardener’s name

    Chance, perchance?

    Pilapil and Castanien’s experience is common.

    Huh? Two guys have only one experience? Is one channeling the other?

    generations of [subcontinental Asians] have grown up watching mostly [wheatish] faces on screen and in [singing] roles where they are given more depth and humanity.

    What is Sanskrit for FIFY? Or just Hindustani?

    As for misspelling my last name, well, I got over it.

    In Elmwood, you could get under it.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    Duterte wants to change the name of the Philippines to the Republic of Maharlika
  53. These outsiders really need to be given a LOT more to worry about.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Agreed.

    If this is the major worry in their lives they are likely better off than 99% of the planet.
  54. Great joke, Steve, on Communications vs PR .

    Reminds me of an old Simpsons joke (which diversity reporters are probably too young for):

    A reporter is describing a crew of astronauts on a mission:
    “They’re a colorful bunch: there’s a mathematician, a different kind of mathematician, and statistician.”

  55. Just like the wave-particle duality of light.

    Observed in the workplace, the POC is an individual. Observed in politics, the POC is part of an indivisible monolith.

  56. @newrouter
    A serious program of deportation would put a stop to this whining.

    A serious program of deportation would put a stop to this whining.

    Amen. If I were running for president, I think that would be the sum total of my platform.

  57. @megabar
    There are a couple of elements of basic human psychology on display here. The progressive are not completely wrong:

    a) People are better at distinguishing things that they are familiar with. For example, you may think that music genres that you don't care for all sound alike. And so it's possible that if you are born and raised in a multicultural society, you might indeed get better at distinguishing people of all ethnicities.

    b) People notice differences, and become more self-conscious when they perceive themselves as different -- especially if the difference is not something they're confident with. And so any minority will likely perceive a slight -- no matter how non-malicious -- as hurtful. The same slight from an in-group peer would be ignored or laughed about.

    This is why I push back when people want to make fun of progressives as morons. There is truth and logic in the above. It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.

    Now, there is plenty that progressives get wrong, too. When they start with "these micro-aggressions causes erasure of my work and of the space that my body occupies" stuff, they miss the point. It's much simpler -- it's natural to feel uncomfortable when you're different.

    And people are different, psychologically, at the genetic level. So this isn't a problem that can be fully cured with training or environment. And of course, progressives very much dislike that.

    This is why I push back when people want to make fun of progressives as morons. There is truth and logic in the above. It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.

    Your point a and b are correct, but this doesn’t make progressives right it makes them deeply wrong.

    Yes, being a minority is not fun–it naturally creates these feelings of difference, which indeed psychologically upsetting to some people.

    But that just highlights how deeply stupid progressives “diversity is our greatest strength” slogan is. And how deeply stupid and destructive there policy of ramping up diversity with mass immigration is.

    • Replies: @megabar
    > Your point a and b are correct, but this doesn’t make progressives right it makes them deeply wrong.

    Indeed, they are deeply wrong. But it's not because _they_ are stupid. It's because they hold a few key axioms that are incorrect. Namely, that groups of people (e.g. sex, race, economic class) are all basically the same, and that any differences we observe from them are environmental.

    I make this distinction only because believing that progressives are all morons is not an effective way to combat their destructive ideologies.
  58. Jonathan Castanien, left, and Nicholas Pilapil were often mistaken for each other by their white co-workers.

    It could be much worse. They could be mistaken for brush mops by the custodial staff.

    I’m sure they’d be floored.

  59. These two lack commitment. This isn’t even my final form!
    https://postimg.cc/nX5pCWbk

  60. The hottest chick in my high school was named Saylor. She sat right in front of me my entire sophomore year English class. I spent 1984 (the year, not the book) intoxicated by her mere presence. If I recall correctly I ended up with a C. Oh, and her father’s name? You guessed it: Steven!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There's a Steven Saylor who writes detective novels, but I doubt if he has a daughter:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Saylor

  61. People can be mean but these mistaken identities aren’t often based on hostility or racial animus but relations. People make these sort of connections (and mistakes) even within the same socio-economic group. What they are expressing is one’s relation to them. I do sympathize with people who experience this in a workplace where they are trying to stand out. In those cases, it should be a hint that one is going nowhere professionally and that one should be looking for another position if that’s the priority. But these things happen to everyone at some point; to handle it as a flashpoint for resentment is a very ugly way of navigating the world.

  62. @Reg Cæsar

    Pilapil is Filipino
     
    That should be Pilipino. No colonial Castillian labiodental fricatives, please.

    Castanien, who is Vietnamese, Chinese and German.
     
    A Vichykraut!

    I'm glad they cleared that up. I was under the impression, from his name, that he might have been a percussion instrument. An idiophone.


    https://zippy.gfycat.com/FragrantPlainBlacknorwegianelkhound.webm

    a digital marketing consultant whose client kept calling him by his gardener’s name

     

    Chance, perchance?


    https://logosconcarne.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/being-there-1.png

    Pilapil and Castanien’s experience is common.
     

    Huh? Two guys have only one experience? Is one channeling the other?

    generations of [subcontinental Asians] have grown up watching mostly [wheatish] faces on screen and in [singing] roles where they are given more depth and humanity.
     
    What is Sanskrit for FIFY? Or just Hindustani?

    As for misspelling my last name, well, I got over it.
     
    In Elmwood, you could get under it.


    https://www.meatpoultry.com/ext/resources/images/m/p/_/d/e/s/s/e/e/c/features/MP_Dec09_ExtraSuccess.jpg

    Duterte wants to change the name of the Philippines to the Republic of Maharlika

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Duterte wants to change the name of the Philippines to the Republic of Maharlika
     
    Does he have a black teenage mistress in the US?
  63. @Malcolm X-Lax
    The hottest chick in my high school was named Saylor. She sat right in front of me my entire sophomore year English class. I spent 1984 (the year, not the book) intoxicated by her mere presence. If I recall correctly I ended up with a C. Oh, and her father's name? You guessed it: Steven!

    There’s a Steven Saylor who writes detective novels, but I doubt if he has a daughter:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Saylor

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Oh thank God. For a moment I was afraid you were going to say that the girl was you, before you "transitioned".
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    LOL. You don't know Richard Solomon wasn't born a girl! Bigot.
  64. There has been only been two or three cases of people confusing me with colleagues. This was always interesting, because it tells you something about how other people see you. I have the impression that height and haircut play a big role.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I've had a couple of strangers walk up and start talking to me, only to be surprised I wasn't who they thought, but I don't recall being confused very often for anybody else by somebody I knew. Height no doubt plays a role in that.
  65. i’m under the impressian east asian guy hair is actually bad – that is to say, there’s a only a few ways they can cut it at a reasonable length so it doesn’t boof out. other than that, it has to be really long, like an 80s rocker, to avoid this effect. that’s probably why their haircuts are like that.

    i assume this doesn’t happen to all of them – seems to be more of a chinese/vietnamese/filipino thing – and japanese guys can have well combed hair at shorter lengths – but i’ve seen this discussion several times. korean guys have retarded haircuts now due to kpop and kdramas so it’s harder to say what it would normally look like.

  66. When my friend and I had our nails done by two Asian women, they asked if we were sisters. My friend is a blue-eyed blonde, 5’10” tall, 200 lbs. I’m brown-eyed with brown hair turning grey, 5’7″ tall and 134 lbs.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    > When my friend and I had our nails done by two Asian women, they asked if we were sisters.

    Kylie, return to that salon and insist that these two women add Rachel Hatzipanagos to their Twitter feeds. Make an ugly scene if you must (you’re pale/stale so you do that all the time, anyway). As people of color, their story is striking and critically important. For you to do this, is the only way to prevent Democracy Dying in Darkness.
  67. @Anonymous
    That’s because we are not “white people”
    We have our own ethnicities, which no one will acknowledge. Blond, blue-eyed Swedes in Sweden look alike to me. Irish freckled redheads in Ireland look alike to me. Letting others lump us together as “white” people is our punishment for assimilating in order to become American.

    you must be deep into the bong. Swedes have a wide variation in hair color. As do Irish. In fact, having spent several weeks there – mostly in areas “Beyond the Pale” of Dublin, you see relatively few Irish with red hair

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Wasn't Dublin the part where the Vikings and the Normans landed?

    Edit Now I realize, they're basically the same lol

  68. @Erik Sieven
    There has been only been two or three cases of people confusing me with colleagues. This was always interesting, because it tells you something about how other people see you. I have the impression that height and haircut play a big role.

    I’ve had a couple of strangers walk up and start talking to me, only to be surprised I wasn’t who they thought, but I don’t recall being confused very often for anybody else by somebody I knew. Height no doubt plays a role in that.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I can see those two guys have very different facial structures, and I never mistake Asians.

    However, there is something about these two guys that is very similar. They both exude "milquetoast".

    When I was in university, I was part of a student group that had a lot of Asian members, mostly Koreans. There was another white guy who was similar to me in many ways, but he was a complete bookworm with a terrible sense for when his jokes would go down well, and I was an athlete and rarely joked. I said once that I hoped people didn't get us mixed up, and the Asians all immediately said that no one would ever mistake us for rach other.

    If you look at the other photos of mistaken identities in that NY Times article, you can see most of them are not attractive.

    As for the girls in my high school I thought were really hot, 30 years on, I can't remember the entirety of all their faces clearly, but I can still clearly remember select features about each, such as the profile of the Italian girl's nose.

    My guess is that hard-to-define factors such as blandness have a big impact on how likely people are to be mistaken for others.
  69. @J.Ross
    I zoomed in on that picture to be able to make a snarky reply about how individual their faces do look (and they do), but it's an incredibly sad picture when you can see their faces clearly. They're all bony. Some look older than they should. All have frightened expressions.

    so i dashed your snarky hopes. Just admit it—-there is not a lot of physical diversity on the Korean peninsula. Look at random crowd shots. More diversity in Japan. Much, much more in China (though it’s a far larger country, of course) Indians all have black hair…but there’s a wide variety in appearance…..except they all sport 70s Porn Star mustache – and some of the men even wear them as well. =)

  70. anon[745] • Disclaimer says:

    “Hmmm, today I was profiled by a POC at my workplace, and he made a very “racial” joke at my expense.”

    Report him to HR. Claim that you felt racially slighted. Write a letter detailing your hurt fee fees and use lots of synonyms for “sad”, “hurt” and “intolerance”. Claim that you are upset over the matter. Companies hate lawsuits, so they may fire the guy to appease you. Why not use their own system against them? What’s the point of being the dutiful little square who plays by a discriminatory rules system built to favor others? Establish a balance of terror and they will stop.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Report him to HR. Claim that you felt racially slighted. Write a letter detailing your hurt fee fees and use lots of synonyms for “sad”, “hurt” and “intolerance”. Claim that you are upset over the matter. Companies hate lawsuits, so they may fire the guy to appease you. Why not use their own system against them? What’s the point of being the dutiful little square who plays by a discriminatory rules system built to favor others? Establish a balance of terror and they will stop.
     
    I sympathize with what you're saying here. But I also believe a man should think long and hard, before he goes out of his way to mess with someone else's livelihood.
  71. I remember the first class I got in front of on my first day of teaching at a university in China and looked out at the 80 or so shamefully non-diverse students and thought, Oh Lord, this is not going to work. I could tell the males from the females, but that was it.

    Two years later, just before returning to the states, I was in the diplomatic neighborhood in Beijing where most of the Westerners lived and it struck me how white people all look the same.

    I’m glad the NYT and WaPo keep printing these bitchy malignant little screeds. Even the most willfully blind liberal white lapdog can no longer credibly claim to believe diversity is our strength.

  72. How big are these these two men? What are their voices like? Their mannerisms? People are often overtly or subconciously dismissive of small, gracile men who have weak voices and are non-assertive in their physical movements.

    The fact that a friendly co-ethnic (or half co-ethnic—the writer appears to be Asian-African) has written a whine piece on their behalf leads me to believe that they don’t exactly have much of a physical presence.

    Accordingly, people at work can’t be bothered to tell them apart.

    One of the most assertive, natural-leader types I came across in the financial business was about 5’5″ in his socks and probably weighed about 135 lbs. But his manner was both friendly and intense at the same time, and his body language matched his intensity. In the 10 years I worked down the hall from him, he went from being a new hire to one of the best known and powerful investment bankers in America.

    If my office had had two guys like him, there would have been no difficulty paying attention to them, or telling them apart.

  73. @Achmed E. Newman

    You have to be pretty darn racist not to immediately grasp the profound differences between working in Communications versus working in Public Relations!
     
    Excellent! You are one step ahead of me, Steve. (Of course, you had that head start in thinking of the post itself.)

    I like your same two solution options that seem to work for all of these Workspace Complainers.

    How about a 3rd option, though:

    C. Get a haircut, and get a real job!

    https://www..youtube.com/watch?v=Adz1aWRsDw8

    Do you realize you’re discouraging Asian kids from their dream of becoming rock or hip hop stars, you fellow racist bastard?

  74. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Yeesh:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/984489810063699970/TC39ZLYZ.jpg

    When are women going to be taught Don’t Show Your Teeth When Smiling? A lot of females, and this is one of them, would look a lot better without her chompers exposed.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Well, partly because she has bad teeth. However, she's nowhere near as repulsive as the many women who display their upper gums. Which reminds me--who's your pick for the Derby today?
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    Whenever I see Alexandria O'Color-Cortez, the theme song to the old "Mr. Ed" television show pops into my head.
  75. @Kylie
    When my friend and I had our nails done by two Asian women, they asked if we were sisters. My friend is a blue-eyed blonde, 5'10" tall, 200 lbs. I'm brown-eyed with brown hair turning grey, 5'7" tall and 134 lbs.

    > When my friend and I had our nails done by two Asian women, they asked if we were sisters.

    Kylie, return to that salon and insist that these two women add Rachel Hatzipanagos to their Twitter feeds. Make an ugly scene if you must (you’re pale/stale so you do that all the time, anyway). As people of color, their story is striking and critically important. For you to do this, is the only way to prevent Democracy Dying in Darkness.

    • LOL: Kylie
  76. @Steve Sailer
    There's a Steven Saylor who writes detective novels, but I doubt if he has a daughter:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Saylor

    Oh thank God. For a moment I was afraid you were going to say that the girl was you, before you “transitioned”.

  77. Why is is that we whites can easily tell blacks and other races apart, but often mix up east-Asian faces? Not a problem for me now, but age 12 there were 2 east Asian boys in my school, I could never tell them apart. They really didn’t even look that much alike.

    • Replies: @Altai
    East Asians also have less overall genetic variation than Indo-Europeans or Sub-Saharan Africans.
  78. @FredCDobbs
    you must be deep into the bong. Swedes have a wide variation in hair color. As do Irish. In fact, having spent several weeks there - mostly in areas "Beyond the Pale" of Dublin, you see relatively few Irish with red hair

    Wasn’t Dublin the part where the Vikings and the Normans landed?

    Edit Now I realize, they’re basically the same lol

    • Replies: @Lot
    Dublin and its pale are where the first wave of English settlers lived and was under effective English control. They mostly stayed Catholic and eventually merged into the main Irish population. The later wave of Anglican settlers also concentrated there.

    Vikings hugged the coast and favored small islands like the Isle of Man.
  79. @Redneck farmer
    When are women going to be taught Don't Show Your Teeth When Smiling? A lot of females, and this is one of them, would look a lot better without her chompers exposed.

    Well, partly because she has bad teeth. However, she’s nowhere near as repulsive as the many women who display their upper gums. Which reminds me–who’s your pick for the Derby today?

  80. @Achmed E. Newman
    Dang it! Here's George Throrogood and his Delaware Destroyers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adz1aWRsDw8

    Counterpoint

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Touche!

    Speaking of which, maybe Douch-A should take George's advice and Douch-B, David's. Then we could tell them apart ... for purposes of deportation to the right countries.
  81. @Change that Matters
    Pilapil looks like a girl, so hard to believe anyone mistakes her for the more masculine Castanien.

    Me too. I thought he was perhaps an American Indian woman.

  82. Non-Whites really do often look like members of their racial group. The differences between them are often quite subtle. Since members of racial minorities spend more time around one another than Whites spend around them, they are more tuned into these subtle differences. Whites, on the other hand, vary more dramatically, so it is easier to distinguish us. Light skin makes moles, blemishes, skin texture differences more apparent. Then there is our variation in hair and eye color.

  83. In British Army Welsh regiments Jones is a very common surname, so the practice is to suffix all Jones’ with the last 3 digits of their Army number. As in…”Sergeant Jones 537 is NCO on duty on Tuesday, Wednesday it’s Sergeant Jones 652, Corporal Jones 295 has the whole weekly roster”.

  84. @FredCDobbs
    Because, you know, it's not like the Norks pretty much all look alike or anything like that.....

    https://sinkorschwim.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/nkorea21.jpg

    P.J. O’Rourke wrote about the (South) Koreans in Rolling Stone in January or February of 1988 and racistly pointed out that a crowd of them really did consist of pretty similar-looking people: narrow range of complexions, same eye color and of course same hair. This is why calling it a “cross-race effect” is nonsense: it really is easier to tell, say, a freckled redhead from a brunet than to tell one Somali from another, no matter the observer’s race.

    • Replies: @megabar
    > This is why calling it a “cross-race effect” is nonsense: it really is easier to tell, say, a freckled redhead from a brunet than to tell one Somali from another, no matter the observer’s race.

    Just because one thing is true doesn't mean another one isn't.

    I agree that there is an objectively larger amount of variation in whites compared to Chinese.

    But I also believe that growing up in China would give you a better ability to differentiate Chinese.
  85. It’s the haircuts, but it could be that they speak in a similar manner or have similar mannerisms. We can’t tell just from the photographs.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    They quack like a ducq, etc, etc...
    , @baythoven
    They both had to agree to be the featured guinea pigs of this article, right?
    Most guys would find it embarrassing.
  86. @Simon in London
    Why is is that we whites can easily tell blacks and other races apart, but often mix up east-Asian faces? Not a problem for me now, but age 12 there were 2 east Asian boys in my school, I could never tell them apart. They really didn't even look that much alike.

    East Asians also have less overall genetic variation than Indo-Europeans or Sub-Saharan Africans.

  87. The implication is that, while white people are seen as individuals, other groups are often viewed as a monolith, with their race or ethnicity becoming the defining characteristic of who they are.

    Ironic considering our identity-politics left, with which I assume this profound commentator is aligned.

  88. @dvorak
    Counterpoint
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsbqVJLFow

    Touche!

    Speaking of which, maybe Douch-A should take George’s advice and Douch-B, David’s. Then we could tell them apart … for purposes of deportation to the right countries.

  89. @J.Ross
    It is a favorite theme of 70s blaxploitation (and now, mainstream movies) that white men will stop at nothing to rape a black woman (notably Guy from Harlem, Black Gestapo, and Space is the Place; many others). This is downright odious considering the reality: it's not just escapist nonsense, it's deliberate obfuscation. A lot of this stuff can be best explained by recognizing it as not only fiction but unhinged self-serving fantasy, but then, in the current mass media landscape, fantasy is taken as totally serious metaphorical statements about reality.

    And how is this relevant to the topic at hand?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Anon was remarking on the anti-realism of mass media wannabe thought leaders and journalist-activists. White collar East Asians feeling alienated is the Bicycle Thief compared to whites lusting uncontrollably after the average black woman. The reference to blaxploitation points up that this sort of outright lying has been tolerated for decades: of course newcomers contructing a fake identity feel safe going on the attack. All these media products are so deluded because they start with a desire to nudge rather than a desire to record.
  90. This article represents Sailer’s iron rule of femme fatalism —> A sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers “staccato grievance commentary”™ about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

  91. I have red hair, and one time a black coworker yelled at me because he mistook me for a guy with brown hair and thought I was disrespeckin’.

    Do I get a WaPo column?

  92. Anecdotally(and that’s all the original complaint is anyhow) other races often mix up their white co-workers as well.

  93. @anon

    It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.
     
    Which is why Steve's proposed solution is the proposed solution, and why moving back to wherever you or your parents came from would also work: the only way to avoid the "not fun" of being a minority is to not be a minority.

    Well, I suppose you could also develop the psychological or philosophical strength to cope with it, but who's gonna do that?

    > Which is why Steve’s proposed solution is the proposed solution

    Hmmm, as much as I read Steve’s stuff, I guess I’ve never seen his solution as such. Is it separation, like Jared Taylor proposes?

    > Well, I suppose you could also develop the psychological or philosophical strength to cope with it

    This is where I actually have sympathy for minorities. I don’t think being an outsider is much fun. Some people can deal with it, but many can’t, and many of those have no choice (e.g. the child of an immigrant).

    That is, progressives’ incorrect theories that blame fake causes result in very real misery, including for the minorities they want to help.

  94. @J.Ross
    So in briefer words their "complaint" amounts to "I COMMAND THAT YOU LIKE ME!"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VatU6MJYEI0
    If they want us to notice when they're not around, that must mean we're so f&$#ing special.

    > So in briefer words their “complaint” amounts to “I COMMAND THAT YOU LIKE ME!”

    I don’t think so. I think what they’re doing is entirely natural. They’re being put in a tough spot.

    Imagine I took a Japanese kid and integrated him into a normal African life. He’d go to school with regular African kids, etc. He quickly realize that he’s not the same, physically or mentally. He’d feel like an outsider. He’d be more wounded than normal when he’s picked on, even in fun, because he knows he really is different.

    The real problem in the US is not that Whites are particularly mean. It’s that multiracial societies introduce inevitable challenges, due to human psychology.

  95. @AnotherDad

    This is why I push back when people want to make fun of progressives as morons. There is truth and logic in the above. It is no fun to be a minority, especially if you have certain traits common in that minority.
     
    Your point a and b are correct, but this doesn't make progressives right it makes them deeply wrong.

    Yes, being a minority is not fun--it naturally creates these feelings of difference, which indeed psychologically upsetting to some people.

    But that just highlights how deeply stupid progressives "diversity is our greatest strength" slogan is. And how deeply stupid and destructive there policy of ramping up diversity with mass immigration is.

    > Your point a and b are correct, but this doesn’t make progressives right it makes them deeply wrong.

    Indeed, they are deeply wrong. But it’s not because _they_ are stupid. It’s because they hold a few key axioms that are incorrect. Namely, that groups of people (e.g. sex, race, economic class) are all basically the same, and that any differences we observe from them are environmental.

    I make this distinction only because believing that progressives are all morons is not an effective way to combat their destructive ideologies.

  96. @slumber_j
    P.J. O'Rourke wrote about the (South) Koreans in Rolling Stone in January or February of 1988 and racistly pointed out that a crowd of them really did consist of pretty similar-looking people: narrow range of complexions, same eye color and of course same hair. This is why calling it a "cross-race effect" is nonsense: it really is easier to tell, say, a freckled redhead from a brunet than to tell one Somali from another, no matter the observer's race.

    > This is why calling it a “cross-race effect” is nonsense: it really is easier to tell, say, a freckled redhead from a brunet than to tell one Somali from another, no matter the observer’s race.

    Just because one thing is true doesn’t mean another one isn’t.

    I agree that there is an objectively larger amount of variation in whites compared to Chinese.

    But I also believe that growing up in China would give you a better ability to differentiate Chinese.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  97. But wait, isn’t this the whole point of the goal toward a race-blind society? Everyone having the same hair, same skin, same height, weight, and unappealing physicality.

    Physical attractiveness is just another feature of White Privilege about which to complain, anyhow. So if Leftist Utopia means the loss of any physical distinction that might otherwise portend to foster resentment, then a real and cultural prosopagnosia becomes something desirable. Hmmm?

  98. Altai says:

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan.

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Here is a link skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*

    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France etc.

    Of course the most insane video comes from a very overweight woman who seems deeply psychologically hurt. Just listen to how she says ‘homogeneous society’ in such a passive-aggressive tone. She can barely contain her rage and sadness. The whole video is an exercise in Sailer’s first law of female journalism but I time skipped to her rant about Japan needing ‘more diverse bodies’. Japan just needs more obese people, needs.

    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.

    “That is something that really needs to change.” Needs to change for whom? I like how she doesn’t see a way for Japanese people to simply be more polite to overweight people outside more people becoming obese.

  99. Here’s a thought, move to a country where you are the majority oh wait, no one wants you there either.

  100. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    0bama had a 'composite' white girlfriend, but that seems fair to me. Most middle class mudsharks couldn't pick their boyfriends out of a lineup, though it's not for lack of opportunity.

    For identification, they should try the other anatomical item that sticks out of the lineup’s suits.
    The one you could hang a hat on.

  101. @Oleaginous Outrager

    As for misspelling my last name, well, I got over it.
     
    I still can't use my middle initial, because when combined with my last name, even the computers are confused.

    Of course, my grandmother misspelled my first name constantly.

    I agree with Speaks James. If my Mom had heard me talk like that to an adult, she would have snatched me bald headed.

  102. @Macumazahn
    These outsiders really need to be given a LOT more to worry about.

    Agreed.

    If this is the major worry in their lives they are likely better off than 99% of the planet.

  103. @FredCDobbs
    Because, you know, it's not like the Norks pretty much all look alike or anything like that.....

    https://sinkorschwim.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/nkorea21.jpg

    at least people know ajapanese from a korean or chinese but dark colored people dont know the difference between the trailer trash and germ scando and slavs when the difference is stark between the small brained trailer trash big truck riding people and the mid westerners

  104. @Stebbing Heuer
    The bugman hates being reminded that he is a bugman.

    Lol!

  105. @Jonathan Mason
    It's the haircuts, but it could be that they speak in a similar manner or have similar mannerisms. We can't tell just from the photographs.

    They quack like a ducq, etc, etc…

  106. When I arrived at Big School aged 11 I was somewhat surprised to be confused with another guy in my class. I didn’t bother me particularly, we were all new there and had mostly never met before.

    In the first few weeks we had a group photo of the whole year together. When I got to see it I realised that, actually, yes I did look like Greg. Same hair colour, same eyes, same build, same height. Enough that someone who didn’t know us could be mistaken.

  107. Just this morning I was watching “AM Joy” on MSNBC, and Joy Reid had two consecutive panels with one white female on. In the first panel the white female was some rabid nutcase named Sarah Kendzior (who is best remembered, and loved by me, as the woman on twitter who once referred to the NYT as a “white supremacist newspaper”). After the commercial, Reid switched out Sarah for another white female named Natasha Bertrand. At one point Joy directs a question to Natasha, “Sarah, what are you thoughts on…” 3 seconds of silence. “Sarah, that question was–Oh, I’m sorry, Natasha, that question was for you”. I guess all white females look alike to Joy Ann Reid.

    At any rate, it’s a good time to recall perhaps my favorite MSNBC moment. Contessa Brewer calls Jesse Jackson “Rev. Al Sharpton. The look on Jackson’s face is priceless. P.S. Go [expletive deleted] yourself, San Diego.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Hahahaaa, yeah we all know who you are, you miserable race hustler. That's not a good thing.
  108. JimS says:
    @Anon
    Don't you know that's why all those millennials get tattoos? It's so they can tell each other apart.

    More seriously, the Feel Invisible generation (which gets all weepy about being ignored) is the result of having so many divorced parents. Since one parent was always missing, their kids felt like they never got enough attention. Hence their attempts to make themselves stand out come hell or high water.

    Mr. 166,
    I disagree with your causal analysis. I believe the biggest recent effects are decline in family size, as well as the divorce rate, both of which would increase attention on individual children as parents compete for their affection. I leave the results of these effects as an exercise for the reader.

  109. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:

    In a concentration camp, people all look the same.

    But if people all look the same, you are not necessarily in a concentration camp.

    OT:

    The Brooklyn’s Muslim Community Patrol is leaving the garage. It’s manned by people from Yemen.

  110. @Steve Sailer
    There's a Steven Saylor who writes detective novels, but I doubt if he has a daughter:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Saylor

    LOL. You don’t know Richard Solomon wasn’t born a girl! Bigot.

  111. @Andy
    maybe because white people have more variation in terms of hair color, eye color, even skin color (from very white to mediterranean bronze). There is far less variation in other races, especially Asians

    Meh, the Asian side of my family is quite open about all white people looking alike…

  112. I have a similar problem. I keep expecting women to confuse me with Tom Selleck or Clint Eastwood.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  113. @FredCDobbs
    and that's her best photo.

    With the WaPo...

    --Curated articles for The Post’s national news app and optimized headlines as needed to engage our mobile audience.

    --Contributed articles for The Lily, a new product that is aimed at millennial women.

    --Produced and wrote for About Us, a newsletter that explores race and identity.

    I would say the WaPo turns over every rock to find its Social Justice Warrior army....and then I sadly realize our Elite Academic Institutions are churning them out by the bushel full.

    https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AAuE7mDxJIotpZJ2tDKY_RsW0AkTwNpaAZJY_EuI=s900-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no

    “optimized headlines as needed to engage our mobile audience”

    Changed the normal headlines used in the dead tree version of articles into uninformative click bait headlines.

  114. Lot says:
    @Romanian
    Wasn't Dublin the part where the Vikings and the Normans landed?

    Edit Now I realize, they're basically the same lol

    Dublin and its pale are where the first wave of English settlers lived and was under effective English control. They mostly stayed Catholic and eventually merged into the main Irish population. The later wave of Anglican settlers also concentrated there.

    Vikings hugged the coast and favored small islands like the Isle of Man.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    But earlier they were there. That Cadfael novel would not have lied :))

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Scandinavian_Dublin
  115. @Jonathan Mason
    It's the haircuts, but it could be that they speak in a similar manner or have similar mannerisms. We can't tell just from the photographs.

    They both had to agree to be the featured guinea pigs of this article, right?
    Most guys would find it embarrassing.

  116. @anon
    Seriously, what alternative universe do these people live in?

    The world I live in hardly any black folk I work with can ever remember a white co-worker's name while most whites know the names of their black co-workers.

    Black people are holy under the reigning ideology. East Asians are simply not allowed to criticize blacks.

    The article would never be published if it mentioned, truthfully, that several of their black co-workers do not even TRY to tell them apart.

  117. @Anonymous
    They can’t change their hair.
    With Dr. No’s delicate features and Jollibee’s soft features, they need those faux-hawk haircuts so they won’t be mistaken for women.

    Those haircuts just make them look gay. Which is no surprise, because they probably both are gay, given their professions.

  118. @Anonymous
    They can’t change their hair.
    With Dr. No’s delicate features and Jollibee’s soft features, they need those faux-hawk haircuts so they won’t be mistaken for women.

    Jollibee is a chain of Filipino fast food restaurants with a jolly bee mascot.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    "one piece chicken and spaghetti"

    Truly, Pinoys are the most powerful race in the galaxy.
  119. JimS says:

    Long ago, during military indoctrination, all of us had to get their heads shaved every 2-3 weeks. I realised I had immense difficulty telling people apart for several days afterwards, and I don’t think I was the only one. So I truly believe hair is a major factor, at least among predominantly European peoples.

  120. TWS says:

    Had a new teacher confuse me with another kid once. I said nope that’s my buddy. She said you’re the biggest kid in school it has to be you. Now that kid was really big. I’m just big. He was killed in a strong arm robbery when we were eighteen

  121. @anon
    "Hmmm, today I was profiled by a POC at my workplace, and he made a very “racial” joke at my expense."

    Report him to HR. Claim that you felt racially slighted. Write a letter detailing your hurt fee fees and use lots of synonyms for "sad", "hurt" and "intolerance". Claim that you are upset over the matter. Companies hate lawsuits, so they may fire the guy to appease you. Why not use their own system against them? What's the point of being the dutiful little square who plays by a discriminatory rules system built to favor others? Establish a balance of terror and they will stop.

    Report him to HR. Claim that you felt racially slighted. Write a letter detailing your hurt fee fees and use lots of synonyms for “sad”, “hurt” and “intolerance”. Claim that you are upset over the matter. Companies hate lawsuits, so they may fire the guy to appease you. Why not use their own system against them? What’s the point of being the dutiful little square who plays by a discriminatory rules system built to favor others? Establish a balance of terror and they will stop.

    I sympathize with what you’re saying here. But I also believe a man should think long and hard, before he goes out of his way to mess with someone else’s livelihood.

    • Replies: @Anon
    No way would they fire a POC over that.

    Anyway, knife to a gunfight, I say report to HR. Even weeks later.

    Saul Alinsky rule 4, "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

    Also, Saul Alinsky rule 13, "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it," usually explained as "Pick one guy and do everything possible to get him fired." The only thing that counts is taking away someone's livelihood. There is no second place. A scolding by HR means zero.
  122. J1234 says:

    I thought it was hilarious when my liberal Democrat college professor wife mistook a black lady in our congregation for a (former) black assistant pastor’s wife. Actually, I thought it was embarrassing at first…then I thought it was hilarious, mostly because it was I – the right wing racist – who had to point it out to her. She’s always doing that, and it doesn’t totally have to do with racial categorizing, though it has something to do with that. She wouldn’t make make that mistake with people she’s familiar with and works around.

    I don’t have a natural gift for remembering names or putting names to faces, but it was a skill I had to develop when I had my business. She, on the other hand, can remember lyrics much better than I can, even of songs she doesn’t like. I think it bothers bother her, however, that I can identify reasonably well known voices in unfamiliar songs or off screen speaking roles much better than she can. (She’s a speech pathologist so I think she feels she should be superior to me in this respect.)

  123. @jim jones
    Duterte wants to change the name of the Philippines to the Republic of Maharlika

    Duterte wants to change the name of the Philippines to the Republic of Maharlika

    Does he have a black teenage mistress in the US?

  124. When I was a kid, I noticed that people constantly misspelled “Steven Sailer:”

    At least the noises being made are the same.

    Try living in a world where institutional documentation is designed for firstname === referencename, when your parents and family have referred to you by your middle name since birth.

    Being called by your second given name was common enough practice when I was a kid: 5 kids in my 4th grade class did the same thing (and this was in the 1970s in the middle of Australia’s Northern Territory).

    Primary school in the 1960s/1970s? No problem.

    Secondary school in the 1970s/1980s? No problem.

    The military? No problem (you’re usually referred to by your surname anyhow, but socially I was ‘FirstName‘).

    But by 1985, you were referred to by the first given name you filled out on any form – if there was any field for ‘preferred name’, it was ignored (and nowadays it is ignored algorithmically because Bangalore code-monkeys were used to do the coding, and nobody included preferredname in the scope… it’s one fucking if statement, FFS).

    For a few years after forms started dominating our lives, I would say “Actually, I go by ‘SecondName‘ ” when someone looked at a form and called “FirstName LastName?”.

    By ~1990 I just decided to stop bothering – so now The Lovely has referred to me as ‘SecondName‘ for 26 years, but anyone I met before the mid-80s refers to me by ‘FirstName‘.

    I made a tentative attempt to correct the record a few years back, but it was more trouble than it was worth – it confused people just as much as if I had said I wanted to be referred to as “Peggy Sue” or “Jesus“.

    I don’t even particularly like my first name – it’s Jewy, Woggy and prone to being shortened – but my second name sounds pretentious unless you shorten it, and my parents chose my names carefully (as befits a first-born).

    Second-name-reference isn’t so rare – as evidenced by a bunch of people whose names you’ve heard…

    Rudyard Kipling
    Graham Greene
    Evelyn Waugh
    W Somerset Maugham
    F. Scott Fitzgerald
    Paul Gaugin
    Fernand Léger
    J Edgar Hoover
    Woodrow Wilson
    Paul McCartney
    Mitt Romney
    Dakota Fanning
    Elle Fanning
    Stephen Curry
    Sylvester Stallone
    Reese Witherspoon
    Brad Pitt
    Ashton Kutcher
    Meghan Markle
    Roger Waters
    Carl Lewis
    Jim Acosta

    SEND MY REPARATIONS PAYMENTS IN BITCOIN, YOU NAME-IST ANTI-NAME-ITE BASTARDS

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    +[Avram] Noam Chomsky
  125. Once again, boo effing hoo. You don’t like it here, go back where you came from.

  126. On repeated occasions during my adolescence and adulthood, I’ve had the experience of beginning work at a good job, joining classes at a respected educational institution or becoming otherwise involved in a promising life situation when within days of my starting someone would tell me I looked “just like” a person who had departed recently and was considered by one and all to have been a complete jerk.
    Then he or she would immediately begin treating me like a complete jerk and encourage others to do the same.
    Is there perhaps a chance that I can sell my story to the Washington Post or the New York Times in a bylined article at their standard rates?
    Something like “Resemblemism: When the World Treats You Like You’re Someone Else Who’s Not as Nice as You Are”.
    BTW, I’m old, white and straight, so that will count against me. On the other hand, all the people who treated me so horribly are also old, white and straight, so maybe there’s hope.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    One of Nabokov's novels in Russian has a narrator who believes that a hobo he meets is his dead ringer (although nobody else in the book seems to notice the resemblance).
  127. @J.Ross
    The Cosby show really was a long-lived, massively unifying thing, and there's nothing like it now. Black people doing normal stuff and not crying about racism every minute. Because evil racist whites hate blacks so much, it was the biggest thing on TV, and the writers of the Simpsons worried that they would not be able to compete with it. The lack of mention of the Cosby show through all the mass media self-congratulation over Black Panther was like the memory holing of the Lily Tomlin and Bette Midler comedies while journalists crowed that a Hangover retread had finally invented female comedy.

    Well, really,Cosby’s kind of an embarrassment to the cause, isn’t he?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Don't get it twisted: the Cosby Show was unpersonned because it was "acting white" or "not street," then a decade or more went by, then it came put that Bill was putting nyquil in the pudding pops. Bill had a target on his back for a long time because he presumed to tell black boys to act like men. The fact that he was taken down by information his pursuers would have paid dearly for in the 90s is an evaluation of their work ethic, but it doesn't undo their attacks.
  128. My name is misspelled 97% of the time when I say it to people. I’ve never been offended. It can lead to a fun conversation! I recognize that the spelling is a little bit out of the ordinary because it is.

    This afternoon the black woman working the register at Whole Foods had an exotic name and we both had a playful laugh about it. Seems like names and their spellings can be a fun bonding experience if you approach it with good will and a sense of humor.

    But what do I know?

  129. @Steve Sailer
    I've had a couple of strangers walk up and start talking to me, only to be surprised I wasn't who they thought, but I don't recall being confused very often for anybody else by somebody I knew. Height no doubt plays a role in that.

    I can see those two guys have very different facial structures, and I never mistake Asians.

    However, there is something about these two guys that is very similar. They both exude “milquetoast”.

    When I was in university, I was part of a student group that had a lot of Asian members, mostly Koreans. There was another white guy who was similar to me in many ways, but he was a complete bookworm with a terrible sense for when his jokes would go down well, and I was an athlete and rarely joked. I said once that I hoped people didn’t get us mixed up, and the Asians all immediately said that no one would ever mistake us for rach other.

    If you look at the other photos of mistaken identities in that NY Times article, you can see most of them are not attractive.

    As for the girls in my high school I thought were really hot, 30 years on, I can’t remember the entirety of all their faces clearly, but I can still clearly remember select features about each, such as the profile of the Italian girl’s nose.

    My guess is that hard-to-define factors such as blandness have a big impact on how likely people are to be mistaken for others.

  130. @Jim from TO
    On repeated occasions during my adolescence and adulthood, I've had the experience of beginning work at a good job, joining classes at a respected educational institution or becoming otherwise involved in a promising life situation when within days of my starting someone would tell me I looked "just like" a person who had departed recently and was considered by one and all to have been a complete jerk.
    Then he or she would immediately begin treating me like a complete jerk and encourage others to do the same.
    Is there perhaps a chance that I can sell my story to the Washington Post or the New York Times in a bylined article at their standard rates?
    Something like "Resemblemism: When the World Treats You Like You're Someone Else Who's Not as Nice as You Are".
    BTW, I'm old, white and straight, so that will count against me. On the other hand, all the people who treated me so horribly are also old, white and straight, so maybe there's hope.

    One of Nabokov’s novels in Russian has a narrator who believes that a hobo he meets is his dead ringer (although nobody else in the book seems to notice the resemblance).

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://www.villages-news.com/2019/02/23/lady-lake-man-free-on-bond-after-battle-with-brother-at-salvage-yard/

    Lady Lake man free on bond after battle with brother at salvage yard
    By Staff Report -
    February 23, 2019

    A Lady Lake man is free on bond after a battle with his brother at a salvage yard.

    The brother of 56-year-old Steven Carlton Sailer said Sailer showed up Tuesday at Lady Lake Auto Salvage on U.S. Hwy. 27/441 and became involved in a verbal altercation with him over a family argument that happened earlier that day, according to an arrest report from the Lady Lake Police Department.

    The brother tried to walk away, but Sailer followed him toward the front door of the business. Sailer continued to yell at his brother and then struck him several times, knocking his brother to the ground. While he was on the ground, Sailer continued to punch his brother, causing bruising and bleeding, the report.

    Sailer left the area, but was located at a gas station in Fruitland Park, where he was arrested on a charge of battery. He was booked at the Lake County Jail and released after posting $1,000 bond.

     

    https://www.villages-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Steven-Sailer-242x300.jpg
    Steven Sailer
  131. Maybe the way to respond to this is to ask if their black and Hispanic coworkers confuse them. Then ask what concrete steps they’ve taken to improve black and Hispanic representation.

  132. @Redneck farmer
    When are women going to be taught Don't Show Your Teeth When Smiling? A lot of females, and this is one of them, would look a lot better without her chompers exposed.

    Whenever I see Alexandria O’Color-Cortez, the theme song to the old “Mr. Ed” television show pops into my head.

  133. I spent a few years working as an expat in Africa. We had a lot of locals on staff. My office was next to another American’s. We were both men, similar ages and height, brown hair, blue eyes. But other than those similarities, we looked nothing alike.

    The local staff got us mixed up all the time. He and I thought it was funny. Hardly cause for angst or bad feeling.

  134. Have the same issue with my last name Sheppard. People always misspell it and its acerbated by the fact my Grandfather was a criminal with several dozen aliases( I believe my spelling is the correct one) and my Uncle intentionally misspelled it so he could serve on the same ship with my father during the Korean War. They didn’t allow brothers to serve on the same ship since the Sullivan Brothers went down with the USS Juneau in WWII

  135. @Lot
    Dublin and its pale are where the first wave of English settlers lived and was under effective English control. They mostly stayed Catholic and eventually merged into the main Irish population. The later wave of Anglican settlers also concentrated there.

    Vikings hugged the coast and favored small islands like the Isle of Man.

    But earlier they were there. That Cadfael novel would not have lied :))

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Scandinavian_Dublin

  136. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Chrisnonymous
    Well, really,Cosby's kind of an embarrassment to the cause, isn't he?

    Don’t get it twisted: the Cosby Show was unpersonned because it was “acting white” or “not street,” then a decade or more went by, then it came put that Bill was putting nyquil in the pudding pops. Bill had a target on his back for a long time because he presumed to tell black boys to act like men. The fact that he was taken down by information his pursuers would have paid dearly for in the 90s is an evaluation of their work ethic, but it doesn’t undo their attacks.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Didn't Cosby get an honorary doctorate from Swarthmore College, one of the most leftist colleges in the country at the time?
  137. @Kratoklastes

    When I was a kid, I noticed that people constantly misspelled “Steven Sailer:”
     
    At least the noises being made are the same.

    Try living in a world where institutional documentation is designed for firstname === referencename, when your parents and family have referred to you by your middle name since birth.

    Being called by your second given name was common enough practice when I was a kid: 5 kids in my 4th grade class did the same thing (and this was in the 1970s in the middle of Australia's Northern Territory).

    Primary school in the 1960s/1970s? No problem.

    Secondary school in the 1970s/1980s? No problem.

    The military? No problem (you're usually referred to by your surname anyhow, but socially I was 'FirstName').

    But by 1985, you were referred to by the first given name you filled out on any form - if there was any field for 'preferred name', it was ignored (and nowadays it is ignored algorithmically because Bangalore code-monkeys were used to do the coding, and nobody included preferredname in the scope... it's one fucking if statement, FFS).

    For a few years after forms started dominating our lives, I would say "Actually, I go by 'SecondName' " when someone looked at a form and called "FirstName LastName?".

    By ~1990 I just decided to stop bothering - so now The Lovely has referred to me as 'SecondName' for 26 years, but anyone I met before the mid-80s refers to me by 'FirstName'.

    I made a tentative attempt to correct the record a few years back, but it was more trouble than it was worth - it confused people just as much as if I had said I wanted to be referred to as "Peggy Sue" or "Jesus".

    I don't even particularly like my first name - it's Jewy, Woggy and prone to being shortened - but my second name sounds pretentious unless you shorten it, and my parents chose my names carefully (as befits a first-born).

    Second-name-reference isn't so rare - as evidenced by a bunch of people whose names you've heard...

    Rudyard Kipling
    Graham Greene
    Evelyn Waugh
    W Somerset Maugham
    F. Scott Fitzgerald
    Paul Gaugin
    Fernand Léger
    J Edgar Hoover
    Woodrow Wilson
    Paul McCartney
    Mitt Romney
    Dakota Fanning
    Elle Fanning
    Stephen Curry
    Sylvester Stallone
    Reese Witherspoon
    Brad Pitt
    Ashton Kutcher
    Meghan Markle
    Roger Waters
    Carl Lewis
    Jim Acosta


    SEND MY REPARATIONS PAYMENTS IN BITCOIN, YOU NAME-IST ANTI-NAME-ITE BASTARDS

    +[Avram] Noam Chomsky

  138. I’m a very average-looking white man. When I was younger, my Asian martial arts teacher couldn’t tell me and another boy apart. I was always getting confused for other average white guys, and it was done slightly more by…non-white people! Almost as if we’re a bit better at distinguishing people of our own race apart (since Americans do tend to socially cluster according to race a bit,) but can easily learn to tell everybody apart if we spend time with them. Shocking!

    Eventually I coined the term Average White Guy Face V 1.0. I had been told I looked like 9 or 10 other people over my HS/University years, people who only vaguely look like me but have the same general build, hair color, eye color and maybe a bit of something about the face. So I realized there are only so many faces to go around, and I must have Average White Guy Face V 1.0.

    In short, I made a joke of it. I got over it. I thought it was funny. I used it to pull pranks.

    What I did not do–what never occurred to me to do–is try and be sobbing, wounded, hurt and crying in order to force the REST OF THE COUNTRY to change. What a bunch of weak, pathetic human beings with selfish malice in their hearts.

  139. When Apple first intorduced it’s facial recognition app on the Ipod, people found out that it viewed all Asian people as the same. It could not recognize differences among both sexed.

    There were articles about and then it vanished.

    Why? Because it did bring up the old American saying about Asians “that they all look the same”. Well they do if they sport the same haircut and clothes.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The latest facial recognition software often mistakes black women for black men.
  140. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Report him to HR. Claim that you felt racially slighted. Write a letter detailing your hurt fee fees and use lots of synonyms for “sad”, “hurt” and “intolerance”. Claim that you are upset over the matter. Companies hate lawsuits, so they may fire the guy to appease you. Why not use their own system against them? What’s the point of being the dutiful little square who plays by a discriminatory rules system built to favor others? Establish a balance of terror and they will stop.
     
    I sympathize with what you're saying here. But I also believe a man should think long and hard, before he goes out of his way to mess with someone else's livelihood.

    No way would they fire a POC over that.

    Anyway, knife to a gunfight, I say report to HR. Even weeks later.

    Saul Alinsky rule 4, “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    Also, Saul Alinsky rule 13, “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it,” usually explained as “Pick one guy and do everything possible to get him fired.” The only thing that counts is taking away someone’s livelihood. There is no second place. A scolding by HR means zero.

  141. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Escher
    And how is this relevant to the topic at hand?

    Anon was remarking on the anti-realism of mass media wannabe thought leaders and journalist-activists. White collar East Asians feeling alienated is the Bicycle Thief compared to whites lusting uncontrollably after the average black woman. The reference to blaxploitation points up that this sort of outright lying has been tolerated for decades: of course newcomers contructing a fake identity feel safe going on the attack. All these media products are so deluded because they start with a desire to nudge rather than a desire to record.

  142. @Lot
    Jollibee is a chain of Filipino fast food restaurants with a jolly bee mascot.

    https://johannadungca.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/jollibee-menu.jpg

    “one piece chicken and spaghetti”

    Truly, Pinoys are the most powerful race in the galaxy.

  143. @rod1963
    When Apple first intorduced it's facial recognition app on the Ipod, people found out that it viewed all Asian people as the same. It could not recognize differences among both sexed.

    There were articles about and then it vanished.

    Why? Because it did bring up the old American saying about Asians "that they all look the same". Well they do if they sport the same haircut and clothes.

    The latest facial recognition software often mistakes black women for black men.

  144. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Just this morning I was watching "AM Joy" on MSNBC, and Joy Reid had two consecutive panels with one white female on. In the first panel the white female was some rabid nutcase named Sarah Kendzior (who is best remembered, and loved by me, as the woman on twitter who once referred to the NYT as a "white supremacist newspaper"). After the commercial, Reid switched out Sarah for another white female named Natasha Bertrand. At one point Joy directs a question to Natasha, "Sarah, what are you thoughts on..." 3 seconds of silence. "Sarah, that question was--Oh, I'm sorry, Natasha, that question was for you". I guess all white females look alike to Joy Ann Reid.

    At any rate, it's a good time to recall perhaps my favorite MSNBC moment. Contessa Brewer calls Jesse Jackson "Rev. Al Sharpton. The look on Jackson's face is priceless. P.S. Go [expletive deleted] yourself, San Diego.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHwRN0agLhI

    Hahahaaa, yeah we all know who you are, you miserable race hustler. That’s not a good thing.

  145. @J.Ross
    Don't get it twisted: the Cosby Show was unpersonned because it was "acting white" or "not street," then a decade or more went by, then it came put that Bill was putting nyquil in the pudding pops. Bill had a target on his back for a long time because he presumed to tell black boys to act like men. The fact that he was taken down by information his pursuers would have paid dearly for in the 90s is an evaluation of their work ethic, but it doesn't undo their attacks.

    Didn’t Cosby get an honorary doctorate from Swarthmore College, one of the most leftist colleges in the country at the time?

  146. @Steve Sailer
    One of Nabokov's novels in Russian has a narrator who believes that a hobo he meets is his dead ringer (although nobody else in the book seems to notice the resemblance).

    https://www.villages-news.com/2019/02/23/lady-lake-man-free-on-bond-after-battle-with-brother-at-salvage-yard/

    Lady Lake man free on bond after battle with brother at salvage yard
    By Staff Report –
    February 23, 2019

    A Lady Lake man is free on bond after a battle with his brother at a salvage yard.

    The brother of 56-year-old Steven Carlton Sailer said Sailer showed up Tuesday at Lady Lake Auto Salvage on U.S. Hwy. 27/441 and became involved in a verbal altercation with him over a family argument that happened earlier that day, according to an arrest report from the Lady Lake Police Department.

    The brother tried to walk away, but Sailer followed him toward the front door of the business. Sailer continued to yell at his brother and then struck him several times, knocking his brother to the ground. While he was on the ground, Sailer continued to punch his brother, causing bruising and bleeding, the report.

    Sailer left the area, but was located at a gas station in Fruitland Park, where he was arrested on a charge of battery. He was booked at the Lake County Jail and released after posting $1,000 bond.


    Steven Sailer

  147. @FredCDobbs
    Because, you know, it's not like the Norks pretty much all look alike or anything like that.....

    https://sinkorschwim.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/nkorea21.jpg

    Front row,second man from left…is that Obama???!

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