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A preprint (not yet peer-reviewed) from bioRxiv:
Climate and mountains shaped human ancestral genetic lineages
Pierpaolo Maisano Delser, Mario Krapp, Robert Beyer, Eppie Jones, Eleanor F Miller, Anahit Hovhannisyan, Michelle Parker, Veronika Siska, Maria Teresa Vizzari, Elizabeth J Pearmain, Ivan Imaz-Rosshandler, Michela Leonardi, Gian Luigi Somma, Jason Hodgson, Eirlys Tysall, Zhe Xue, Lara Cassidy, Daniel G Bradley, Anders Eriksson, Andrea Manica
This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review
Abstract
Extensive sequencing of modern and ancient human genomes has revealed that contemporary populations can be explained as the result of recent mixing of a few distinct ancestral genetic lineages. But the small number of aDNA samples that predate the Last Glacial Maximum means that the origins of these lineages are not well understood. Here, we circumvent the limited sampling by modelling explicitly the effect of climatic changes and terrain on population demography and migrations through time and space, and show that these factors are sufficient to explain the divergence among ancestral lineages. Our reconstructions show that the sharp separation between African and Eurasian lineages is a consequence of only a few limited periods of connectivity through the arid Arabian peninsula, which acted as the gate out of the African continent.
In other words, the Out-of-Africa event probably didn’t involve Africans crossing the Sahara but rather exiting Africa through the backdoor from, roughly, modern Djibouti across the Red Sea (minimum distance eight miles) to Yemen and then up through the Arabian peninsula during a rare green period into the Middle East, which is the crossroads of the Old World (as the names of Noah’s sons indicate).
Middle Easterners would occasionally then cross back thru Arabia into East Africa, which is why there are genetic and cultural links between the Middle East and, say, Ethiopia and other points south. But under most climactic conditions, this was difficult, so there was not much admixture. Presumably, after the invention of herding this trip became a little more frequently feasible. And the domestication of the camel (perhaps sometime between Book of Genesis and the New Testament) made crossing the Arabian and the Saharan deserts more something that could be done regularly. So the populations of northeastern Africa and the Middle East became a little more racially mixed since the time of Christ.
The subsequent spread across Eurasia was then mostly shaped by mountain ranges, and to a lesser extent deserts, leading to the split of European and Asians,
Interestingly, the physical anthropologist Carleton Coon argued in his 1965 book The Living Races of Man that the biggest division in humanity was the mountains of Central Asia (the Himalayas, et al.), meaning that whites and blacks were more closely related than whites and Chinese. We now know that the really big division in humanity is between sub-Saharans and everybody else.
and the further diversification of these two groups. A high tolerance to cold climates allowed the persistence at high latitudes even during the Last Glacial Maximum, maintaining a pocket in Beringia that led to the later, rapid colonisation of the Americas. The advent of food production was associated with an increase in movement, but mountains and climate have been shown to still play a major role even in this latter period, affecting the mixing of the ancestral lineages that we have shown to be shaped by those two factors in the first place.
I’d add that oceans, especially the Atlantic, played a huge role in racial divergence up until ~1492. But for some reason, scientists seem to forget that oceans were difficult to cross. They mostly seem to only visualize land routes when thinking about possible ancient dispersements of humanity, so they don’t consider what didn’t happen.
After 1492, differential adaptation to disease limited some racial migrations (e.g., whites to the tropics) and encouraged others (Africans to the New World tropics).
With the conquest of geography-specific infectious diseases in the 20th Century, the main barriers to mass migrations became, cost, unfamiliarity, and government enforcement of borders. Cost is slowly ebbing, the smartphone lowered the barriers of unfamiliarity, and government-enforcement of borders is under broad attack as immoral or just icky.
That may leave homesickness as the last barrier.
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What is that, science again?? Do better.
> That may leave homesickness as the last barrier.
And (or including) schizophrenia, per the post of a few days ago.
And (or including) schizophrenia, per the post of a few days ago.Replies: @anon
Feature, not barrier.
A moment of silence, please, to mourn the loss of what might have been.
Junk science red flag – too many authors. 3 or 4 is the practical limit for people working together on a study and writing it up. Others are faux participants – motivation unknown in this case. Usually political me too-ism, but I don’t know enough about this study to suggest a reason. And I’m damn sure not going to waste any time reading it.
Pierpaolo Maisano Delser, Mario Krapp, Robert Beyer, Eppie Jones, Eleanor F Miller, Anahit Hovhannisyan, Michelle Parker, Veronika Siska, Maria Teresa Vizzari, Elizabeth J Pearmain, Ivan Imaz-Rosshandler, Michela Leonardi, Gian Luigi Somma, Jason Hodgson, Eirlys Tysall, Zhe Xue, Lara Cassidy, Daniel G Bradley, Anders Eriksson, Andrea Manica
There are no peers left. They’re all in the credits. Indeed, it looks like they are embarrassed by their findings and are trying to make up for lost time!
The Pacific was more easily crossed, despite its being almost half the world’s water and bigger than all its land combined. But some of that land consisted of easier-to-hop islands in temperate latitudes. Also, the Bering Strait is much tighter than the gaps between Norway, Iceland, Greenland, and Labrador.
Typo, or pun? Who’s climaxing?
I don’t know about this one, Steve. Homesickness is not really a thing anymore. I don’t mean you never miss the ways of your Old Country, but what you do now is raise Holy Hell, and tell all the natives of your new country how they need to get with the damn program, learn how to pronounce your names, sell your cultures’s weird-ass food at the grocery stores, and make room for your people in all the institutions of society.
Americans need to change per immigrant foreigner request. That’s just the way it works now, and that’s the whom we are. Homesickness is out. Ungratefulness is in.
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Oh, and 20 authors of this paper? Give me a break. I bet half of them didn’t do anything more than go to Staples and get more printer paper. Shake & Bake, post-docs!
“And ahhh helped!”
I think it is, but it's homesickness for the world Boomers grew up in.
Peter Hitchens described the little village of Goathland in Yorkshire, setting for a popular UK TV series set in the 1960s, as being overrun with tourists "seeking in vain for a gateway into the lost past".
https://www.nymr.co.uk/goathland-station
https://www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/__data/assets/image/0013/116320/varieties/desktop.jpgReplies: @YetAnotherAnon
Pierpaolo Maisano Delser, Mario Krapp, Robert Beyer, Eppie Jones, Eleanor F Miller, Anahit Hovhannisyan, Michelle Parker, Veronika Siska, Maria Teresa Vizzari, Elizabeth J Pearmain, Ivan Imaz-Rosshandler, Michela Leonardi, Gian Luigi Somma, Jason Hodgson, Eirlys Tysall, Zhe Xue, Lara Cassidy, Daniel G Bradley, Anders Eriksson, Andrea ManicaReplies: @Steve Sailer, @Pericles
Or maybe contemporary genetics studies synthesizing a huge amount of information about racial diversity around the world are too big for three or four researchers to do by themselves?
I've seen it. It's "I scratch your back, and you scratch mine." Having one's name on papers is a big part of the value of a Professor or grad student, as seen on a curriculum vitae. It's not all that crooked in the Engineering/science world as it can be in the BS world of the ____ Studies and Humanities, but if you can get a colleague's name on the paper for some small effort, you may expect the same from him later.Replies: @AKAHorace, @Pericles
This is why a return of commercial supersonic flight scares me.
Some years ago John Novembre and co produced a method and software, EEMS that did something similar to this but with somewhat more intuitive pictures.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/233486v2
As for natural barriers, Denmark, a country whose name literally means, flat land and whose highest point is the smallest by a wide margin of any country in Europe bar microstates also has one of the flattest genetic structures in the world.
Nationwide Genomic Study in Denmark Reveals Remarkable Population Homogeneity
https://www.genetics.org/content/204/2/711
And the flattest social hierarchies in Europe, if not the flattest… (Given the much higher rates of immigration being run by Sweden and Norway, it certainly will have if it doesn’t already)
Denmark has the flattest work hierarchy in the world
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/denmark-flat-work-hierarchy/
Some years ago John Novembre and co produced a method and software, EEMS that did something similar to this but with somewhat more intuitive pictures.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/233486v2
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/26/233486/F5.large.jpg
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/26/233486/F1.large.jpg
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/26/233486/F2.large.jpg
As for natural barriers, Denmark, a country whose name literally means, flat land and whose highest point is the smallest by a wide margin of any country in Europe bar microstates also has one of the flattest genetic structures in the world.
Nationwide Genomic Study in Denmark Reveals Remarkable Population Homogeneity
https://www.genetics.org/content/204/2/711
And the flattest social hierarchies in Europe, if not the flattest... (Given the much higher rates of immigration being run by Sweden and Norway, it certainly will have if it doesn't already)
Denmark has the flattest work hierarchy in the world
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/denmark-flat-work-hierarchy/Replies: @Daniel H, @Anon, @AnotherDad
So many nice things in Denmark. Hard to believe that there are people that hold so much hate that it would be their life’s achievement to flatten Denmark to a different measure, the mean of Africa and the Middle East.
Watch the last 40 seconds of this video.
“Demographic transformation.”
#Tucker2024
#PresidentTuckerCarlson
It is separation or war or death.
But where the hell are the "Republicans"?Replies: @Rob McX, @Anon7
Sexual reproduction is not “action at a distance”.
Who knew?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/12097491/Worlds-most-prolific-sperm-donor-with-800-children-finds-clients-through-Facebook.html
Some years ago John Novembre and co produced a method and software, EEMS that did something similar to this but with somewhat more intuitive pictures.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/233486v2
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/26/233486/F5.large.jpg
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/26/233486/F1.large.jpg
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/26/233486/F2.large.jpg
As for natural barriers, Denmark, a country whose name literally means, flat land and whose highest point is the smallest by a wide margin of any country in Europe bar microstates also has one of the flattest genetic structures in the world.
Nationwide Genomic Study in Denmark Reveals Remarkable Population Homogeneity
https://www.genetics.org/content/204/2/711
And the flattest social hierarchies in Europe, if not the flattest... (Given the much higher rates of immigration being run by Sweden and Norway, it certainly will have if it doesn't already)
Denmark has the flattest work hierarchy in the world
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/denmark-flat-work-hierarchy/Replies: @Daniel H, @Anon, @AnotherDad
What is a “flat genetic structure”?
If one watches television commercials, apparently the most important thing in the world is getting black african men all over the earth so that all other races of women can breed with them and we can have a world-wide black african race, breeding out all others. Perhaps all that philanthropy that has made Africa’s population explode was by design and this was the end goal? Sure looks like it.
The Managerial class has power miles wide. And an inch deep. Look at South Africa. Cyril Ramphosa is the very model of the managerial class leader. He's Africa's Macron, Biden, and Merkel all rolled into one. And he's failed predictably against the hard man Zuma. Zuma may be a big man with an IQ of a turnip, but he knows his people hate hate hate Whites and Indians, and will leave no opportunity wasted in killing them. Ramphosa commands no one -- not the police, not the army, not the people.
All this stuff is fine until the power goes out. And stays out. For weeks or months. Then its hard men and hard skills. Forced marches for days (as there is no more fuel for transport or aircraft). Living off the land, skill in marksmanship, in ambushes and counter-ambushes, in fighting. Fortunately we have no cadre of men who have been doing just that for the last twenty years in challenging terrain and have or will be driven out of the military.
Women are a scarce resource. Attractive ones even scarcer. There is literally no plan by the Managerial class on what to do with the losers in the black men for every White woman future. None. Again they can promote it. Can they make it stick? Who will obey them when everything has gone upside down?
Nah, Gamecock is right. You give these people too much credit. There are computers. If it takes a bunch of grad students doing nothing but bookkeeping work, should all their names appear as co-authors?
I’ve seen it. It’s “I scratch your back, and you scratch mine.” Having one’s name on papers is a big part of the value of a Professor or grad student, as seen on a curriculum vitae. It’s not all that crooked in the Engineering/science world as it can be in the BS world of the ____ Studies and Humanities, but if you can get a colleague’s name on the paper for some small effort, you may expect the same from him later.
A lot of authors can mean
-a lot of samples and lab work that has to be done by many people.
-the people who are doing the work are grovelling to the powerful.
-the people who are doing the work are taking care of their friends who may have done the same for them. Are you too pure to take care of your friends ? If you are then why should I or anyone else help you ?
There is a special place in hell for scientists who are saved when someone sticks their neck out for them who then when someone else is in trouble say
"This is about SCIENCE not personalities".
If science is so important to you let me use you and your children as experimental subjects. I promise to make sure that the results are statistically significant.
Second point.
However unfairly any scientific article is authored, this says nothing about how true it is. In fact if an article is considered good there is a rational reason to put the squeeze on the less powerful to get your name on it. Perhaps you deplore many authored articles as you are too stupid to know which ones to get your name on ?
I will admit though that articles that scientists are terrified to be associated with that are true are very interesting.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Mario Krapp
That’s good.
The most significant barrier to immigration is the fact that population pyramids nearly everywhere in the world have narrowed at the base to the point that they now look like population onion domes.
The supply of potential immigrants—the “immigrationable stock,” as I like to call it—is a lot smaller than people seem to think. Immigrants generally need to be young and unattached, with few social responsibilities and with enough liquid wealth to fund the journey and to start over again. These are also the very people who are the most valuable in their home countries, since they are the ones who would be doing the most producing, consuming, and childbearing. It is a small but critical demographic segment, and when a significant portion of them leave, it’s like kicking a plank out of the population pyramid. The sending countries begin to stagnate and their birthrates drop, leaving even fewer potential immigrants in the next generation, and so on in a downward spiral.
This seems to have now occurred in the case of Mexico, which is by far the largest source of immigration to the United States. Mexican TFR has now, as of 2021, fallen below the replacement rate and there are fewer 0-4 year-olds than there are 5-9 year-olds. Once a country enters this trap there is typically no escaping it until the advanced civilization collapses and life stabilizes again at a much lower level of social organization.
That’s why all the unaccompanied children and 7, 8 months pregnant women arriving now. The anchor baby ensures 18 years of free housing food stamps cash benefits medical care for the entire family.
As for the old and handicapped unable to work, they are just as valuable to the immigrant hordes. Go observe any social security office in California. Every day the NGO translator/ handlers bring a van load of newly arrived aged Asians, mostly Chinese to enroll in SSI for the aged and handicapped new arrivals who’ve never put a penny into social security. Plus every senior benefit available from free bus passes to free LYFT to better medical care than Americans.
And of course low cost senior housing . Which they never live in but rent out at full market value. They live with their families. The $8-1,00 a month SSI cash goes to the family and they also have the rental income from the cheap senior housing 2 grandmas per household brings in maybe $1,700 a month cash. Which goes a long way towards paying the mortgage. Plus the old ladies line up at various food banks 4 or 5 days a week. And if they rent out their senior housing at full market value, well that’s private school tuition for one of the kids, generally the smartest boy.
America; the child health welfare and education system of Mexico and Central America and old age health and pension system of China.
Even during the 19th century it wasn’t all young men. Young Irish women were prized as household help because 1 They spoke English. 2 More important they were perceived as good catholic girls who wouldn’t get knocked up and would resist seduction by the husbands and sons of the family. Among the Irish, it was often the girls who came first and sent money for their brothers ship fare.
The sewing factories imported Jewish young women for most of the jobs. A few men cut the fabrics and numerous lower paid women did the sewing.
Strong young immigrant men still replace strong American men. But nowadays child and old age benefits are just as important as men’s wages to the economy of immigrant communities.
There are no mountains between the European Steppe and the Asian steppe. In fact, they are indistinguishable. Just sayin’
The black plague has returned to South Africa:
https://leakedreality.com/video/16955/south-africa-scenery-after-the-black-plague-plowed-through
So are the study’s authors trying to say race is real?
#PresidentTuckerCarlsonReplies: @AnotherDad, @Anon7
I give Tucker credit. He understands. We are under attack. Being abused far worse than anything George III was pulling. Truly evil stuff from our global cosmopolitan bully boys.
It is separation or war or death.
But where the hell are the “Republicans”?
Collecting their annual thirty pieces of silver, same as the Democrats. This is treason.Replies: @Drapetomaniac
Well I’m sure all the men of other races will be just super happy to have black men grab up all the available women. Its not like that will create a war over women. That never ever happens. Except all the time.
The Managerial class has power miles wide. And an inch deep. Look at South Africa. Cyril Ramphosa is the very model of the managerial class leader. He’s Africa’s Macron, Biden, and Merkel all rolled into one. And he’s failed predictably against the hard man Zuma. Zuma may be a big man with an IQ of a turnip, but he knows his people hate hate hate Whites and Indians, and will leave no opportunity wasted in killing them. Ramphosa commands no one — not the police, not the army, not the people.
All this stuff is fine until the power goes out. And stays out. For weeks or months. Then its hard men and hard skills. Forced marches for days (as there is no more fuel for transport or aircraft). Living off the land, skill in marksmanship, in ambushes and counter-ambushes, in fighting. Fortunately we have no cadre of men who have been doing just that for the last twenty years in challenging terrain and have or will be driven out of the military.
Women are a scarce resource. Attractive ones even scarcer. There is literally no plan by the Managerial class on what to do with the losers in the black men for every White woman future. None. Again they can promote it. Can they make it stick? Who will obey them when everything has gone upside down?
It is separation or war or death.
But where the hell are the "Republicans"?Replies: @Rob McX, @Anon7
The Republicans are trying to think of more ways of explaining how too much immigration hurts immigrants and nonwhites. In fact, immigration, if it goes unchecked, could lead to that horror of horrors, white identity politics.
It is separation or war or death.
But where the hell are the "Republicans"?Replies: @Rob McX, @Anon7
“But where the hell are the “Republicans”?”
Collecting their annual thirty pieces of silver, same as the Democrats. This is treason.
#PresidentTuckerCarlsonReplies: @AnotherDad, @Anon7
It turns out that the plan was to get Americans used to the idea that they didn’t really need to work, and that free money would just appear to support them.
The result: labor shortages everywhere! especially in low-paying, low experience jobs.
America’s newest migrants will find jobs in every town in America, which seems to be where they’re headed.
Us regular folks? Snookered again.
Who knew?Replies: @Stan d Mute
That all depends on how you do it..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/12097491/Worlds-most-prolific-sperm-donor-with-800-children-finds-clients-through-Facebook.html
I've seen it. It's "I scratch your back, and you scratch mine." Having one's name on papers is a big part of the value of a Professor or grad student, as seen on a curriculum vitae. It's not all that crooked in the Engineering/science world as it can be in the BS world of the ____ Studies and Humanities, but if you can get a colleague's name on the paper for some small effort, you may expect the same from him later.Replies: @AKAHorace, @Pericles
First point.
A lot of authors can mean
-a lot of samples and lab work that has to be done by many people.
-the people who are doing the work are grovelling to the powerful.
-the people who are doing the work are taking care of their friends who may have done the same for them. Are you too pure to take care of your friends ? If you are then why should I or anyone else help you ?
There is a special place in hell for scientists who are saved when someone sticks their neck out for them who then when someone else is in trouble say
“This is about SCIENCE not personalities“.
If science is so important to you let me use you and your children as experimental subjects. I promise to make sure that the results are statistically significant.
Second point.
However unfairly any scientific article is authored, this says nothing about how true it is. In fact if an article is considered good there is a rational reason to put the squeeze on the less powerful to get your name on it. Perhaps you deplore many authored articles as you are too stupid to know which ones to get your name on ?
I will admit though that articles that scientists are terrified to be associated with that are true are very interesting.
I wrote something about that, and I agree with the way Gamecock put it too. That's no reason for you to get hostile.
Your 2nd point just doesn't make sense to me, and the last sentence, especially.Replies: @AKAHorace
“Out of Africa” is a myth.
Why couldn’t Africans have simply floated down the Nile to the Mediterranean, and turned left or right?
Migrants walked across the Mediterranean.
Pierpaolo Maisano Delser, Mario Krapp, Robert Beyer, Eppie Jones, Eleanor F Miller, Anahit Hovhannisyan, Michelle Parker, Veronika Siska, Maria Teresa Vizzari, Elizabeth J Pearmain, Ivan Imaz-Rosshandler, Michela Leonardi, Gian Luigi Somma, Jason Hodgson, Eirlys Tysall, Zhe Xue, Lara Cassidy, Daniel G Bradley, Anders Eriksson, Andrea ManicaReplies: @Steve Sailer, @Pericles
Stay away from physics. Far away.
I've seen it. It's "I scratch your back, and you scratch mine." Having one's name on papers is a big part of the value of a Professor or grad student, as seen on a curriculum vitae. It's not all that crooked in the Engineering/science world as it can be in the BS world of the ____ Studies and Humanities, but if you can get a colleague's name on the paper for some small effort, you may expect the same from him later.Replies: @AKAHorace, @Pericles
Well, you can’t put a mention in the ‘Acknowledgments’ section on your CV.
The supply of potential immigrants---the "immigrationable stock," as I like to call it---is a lot smaller than people seem to think. Immigrants generally need to be young and unattached, with few social responsibilities and with enough liquid wealth to fund the journey and to start over again. These are also the very people who are the most valuable in their home countries, since they are the ones who would be doing the most producing, consuming, and childbearing. It is a small but critical demographic segment, and when a significant portion of them leave, it's like kicking a plank out of the population pyramid. The sending countries begin to stagnate and their birthrates drop, leaving even fewer potential immigrants in the next generation, and so on in a downward spiral.
This seems to have now occurred in the case of Mexico, which is by far the largest source of immigration to the United States. Mexican TFR has now, as of 2021, fallen below the replacement rate and there are fewer 0-4 year-olds than there are 5-9 year-olds. Once a country enters this trap there is typically no escaping it until the advanced civilization collapses and life stabilizes again at a much lower level of social organization.Replies: @Pericles, @VivaLaMigra, @Alden
Too atomized a take. It’s mostly young(-ish) men who are funded by loans and their families and clans in order to establish a beach head for chain migration and send back money.
Without African slaves, would the USA have developed like Canada?
A lot of authors can mean
-a lot of samples and lab work that has to be done by many people.
-the people who are doing the work are grovelling to the powerful.
-the people who are doing the work are taking care of their friends who may have done the same for them. Are you too pure to take care of your friends ? If you are then why should I or anyone else help you ?
There is a special place in hell for scientists who are saved when someone sticks their neck out for them who then when someone else is in trouble say
"This is about SCIENCE not personalities".
If science is so important to you let me use you and your children as experimental subjects. I promise to make sure that the results are statistically significant.
Second point.
However unfairly any scientific article is authored, this says nothing about how true it is. In fact if an article is considered good there is a rational reason to put the squeeze on the less powerful to get your name on it. Perhaps you deplore many authored articles as you are too stupid to know which ones to get your name on ?
I will admit though that articles that scientists are terrified to be associated with that are true are very interesting.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
No, Horace, I never said this article was bogus in any way. I made a comment first about Mr. Sailer’s “homesickness” remark when he was noting the many changing factors over history that keep people from immigrating. It sounds like an interesting article, but 20 authors?
I wrote something about that, and I agree with the way Gamecock put it too. That’s no reason for you to get hostile.
Your 2nd point just doesn’t make sense to me, and the last sentence, especially.
Just because there have dirty politics involved in a discovery does not mean that it is not true.
Scientists are usually smart enough to jump onto bandwagons that are true and popular. Sometimes they have to throw someone off the wagon to find a place to sit.
Their reactions to causes that are true but dangerous are more creative.Replies: @Anonymous
The Sud: a giant swamp in South Sudan makes travel on the Nile very difficult.
There isn’t as much regional variation caused by barriers to movement like mountain ranges. The population is highly homogeneous without strong regional character.
So they deny the Nile was the conduit north? I suppose the cataracts were worn down in recent millennia. Then the earliest Egyptians had looped back around from Asia.
The supply of potential immigrants---the "immigrationable stock," as I like to call it---is a lot smaller than people seem to think. Immigrants generally need to be young and unattached, with few social responsibilities and with enough liquid wealth to fund the journey and to start over again. These are also the very people who are the most valuable in their home countries, since they are the ones who would be doing the most producing, consuming, and childbearing. It is a small but critical demographic segment, and when a significant portion of them leave, it's like kicking a plank out of the population pyramid. The sending countries begin to stagnate and their birthrates drop, leaving even fewer potential immigrants in the next generation, and so on in a downward spiral.
This seems to have now occurred in the case of Mexico, which is by far the largest source of immigration to the United States. Mexican TFR has now, as of 2021, fallen below the replacement rate and there are fewer 0-4 year-olds than there are 5-9 year-olds. Once a country enters this trap there is typically no escaping it until the advanced civilization collapses and life stabilizes again at a much lower level of social organization.Replies: @Pericles, @VivaLaMigra, @Alden
Um, you’re implying that Mexico is an “advanced civilization? That’s a stretch! As for their falling birthrate, don’t you think it’s about friggin’ TIME? Have you even LOOKED at a bar graph of their population over the last sixty years? Why TF do you think Mexico City is a Third World Shit Hole?
Identity Politics is the Greatest Good… except, of course, when adopted by plain ol’ white people. Note we don’t even rate a capital “W!”
You’re reading from a 19th or early 20th Century playbook there. Now an “immgrant” can be a broken-down person over 65, or claiming to be, suffering from atrocious lung disease [insert here: Chinese!] or a humongous Mexican with hypertension and diabetes, who’s immediately put on Medicaid and SSI. IOW, someone who’s never contributed squat to the economy or the tax coffers, but will suck them dry for decades. Not, mind you, that we’re not already flat broke by the standards of any rational accounting system.
“And the domestication of the camel (perhaps sometime between Book of Genesis and the New Testament) made crossing the Arabian and the Saharan deserts more something that could be done regularly. ”
At least one story in Genesis features Abraham’s servant traveling with camels.
It’s kind of hard to tell if that would be contemporary with the claimed time period of Abraham, or inserted later by a narrator who was newly-familiar with camels.
Still, it is evidence that camels were part of the cultural milieu that people associated with Abraham, when Genesis was written down.
I am well aware of chain migration and remittances, thank you. That does not change the dynamics of what I’m talking about; rather it accelerates them. Take a look at the population pyramid of Mexico.
I started analyzing and writing about this topic more than 15 years ago. Have you ever heard of the Export Land Theory of oil exporting nations? This is analogous to what sending countries are trying to accomplish with mass amounts of emigres who send back remittances. The emigres are akin to a natural resource which is exported for profit. This model works as long as there is a consumer who is willing to overpay for the exported resource. When market conditions change due to the resource becoming scarce, it becomes more profitable for the exporting country to simply hold onto it.
Whether we’re talking about oil or emigres, the economic realities are the same. Check it out; it’s quite fascinating.
Americans need to change per immigrant foreigner request. That's just the way it works now, and that's the whom we are. Homesickness is out. Ungratefulness is in.
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Oh, and 20 authors of this paper? Give me a break. I bet half of them didn't do anything more than go to Staples and get more printer paper. Shake & Bake, post-docs!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB7j3sUWohEReplies: @YetAnotherAnon
“Homesickness is not really a thing anymore.”
I think it is, but it’s homesickness for the world Boomers grew up in.
Peter Hitchens described the little village of Goathland in Yorkshire, setting for a popular UK TV series set in the 1960s, as being overrun with tourists “seeking in vain for a gateway into the lost past”.
https://www.nymr.co.uk/goathland-station
Thank you. Out of Africa isn’t even a myth. It’s a complete falsehood created by some feminazi profs at UC Berkeley.
The Mediterranean Sea didn’t exist till the end of the last ice age. At one time it was just low lands between the present northern shores of Europe and southern shores of N Africa Mid East
Migrants walked across the Mediterranean.
The supply of potential immigrants---the "immigrationable stock," as I like to call it---is a lot smaller than people seem to think. Immigrants generally need to be young and unattached, with few social responsibilities and with enough liquid wealth to fund the journey and to start over again. These are also the very people who are the most valuable in their home countries, since they are the ones who would be doing the most producing, consuming, and childbearing. It is a small but critical demographic segment, and when a significant portion of them leave, it's like kicking a plank out of the population pyramid. The sending countries begin to stagnate and their birthrates drop, leaving even fewer potential immigrants in the next generation, and so on in a downward spiral.
This seems to have now occurred in the case of Mexico, which is by far the largest source of immigration to the United States. Mexican TFR has now, as of 2021, fallen below the replacement rate and there are fewer 0-4 year-olds than there are 5-9 year-olds. Once a country enters this trap there is typically no escaping it until the advanced civilization collapses and life stabilizes again at a much lower level of social organization.Replies: @Pericles, @VivaLaMigra, @Alden
It’s not young men any more. The child benefit and old age pensions for immigrants who never worked a day in the host country are just as or even more lucrative than hard working young men any more.
That’s why all the unaccompanied children and 7, 8 months pregnant women arriving now. The anchor baby ensures 18 years of free housing food stamps cash benefits medical care for the entire family.
As for the old and handicapped unable to work, they are just as valuable to the immigrant hordes. Go observe any social security office in California. Every day the NGO translator/ handlers bring a van load of newly arrived aged Asians, mostly Chinese to enroll in SSI for the aged and handicapped new arrivals who’ve never put a penny into social security. Plus every senior benefit available from free bus passes to free LYFT to better medical care than Americans.
And of course low cost senior housing . Which they never live in but rent out at full market value. They live with their families. The $8-1,00 a month SSI cash goes to the family and they also have the rental income from the cheap senior housing 2 grandmas per household brings in maybe $1,700 a month cash. Which goes a long way towards paying the mortgage. Plus the old ladies line up at various food banks 4 or 5 days a week. And if they rent out their senior housing at full market value, well that’s private school tuition for one of the kids, generally the smartest boy.
America; the child health welfare and education system of Mexico and Central America and old age health and pension system of China.
Even during the 19th century it wasn’t all young men. Young Irish women were prized as household help because 1 They spoke English. 2 More important they were perceived as good catholic girls who wouldn’t get knocked up and would resist seduction by the husbands and sons of the family. Among the Irish, it was often the girls who came first and sent money for their brothers ship fare.
The sewing factories imported Jewish young women for most of the jobs. A few men cut the fabrics and numerous lower paid women did the sewing.
Strong young immigrant men still replace strong American men. But nowadays child and old age benefits are just as important as men’s wages to the economy of immigrant communities.
A labor shortage generally occurs when employers refuse to raise wages. That’s really what we are talking about here.
Aka the Sudd on Wikipedia.
I wrote something about that, and I agree with the way Gamecock put it too. That's no reason for you to get hostile.
Your 2nd point just doesn't make sense to me, and the last sentence, especially.Replies: @AKAHorace
I apologize to you Newman, I should have been more restrained. I have seen a number of extremely unethical things in scientific academia and it has made me touchy about the issue.
I will admit though that articles that scientists are terrified to be associated with that are true are very interesting.
Just because there have dirty politics involved in a discovery does not mean that it is not true.
Scientists are usually smart enough to jump onto bandwagons that are true and popular. Sometimes they have to throw someone off the wagon to find a place to sit.
Their reactions to causes that are true but dangerous are more creative.
Collecting their annual thirty pieces of silver, same as the Democrats. This is treason.Replies: @Drapetomaniac
No. This is government in action.
Just because there have dirty politics involved in a discovery does not mean that it is not true.
Scientists are usually smart enough to jump onto bandwagons that are true and popular. Sometimes they have to throw someone off the wagon to find a place to sit.
Their reactions to causes that are true but dangerous are more creative.Replies: @Anonymous
Could you describe some of these instances for us? (While preserving anonymity of course.)
I think it is, but it's homesickness for the world Boomers grew up in.
Peter Hitchens described the little village of Goathland in Yorkshire, setting for a popular UK TV series set in the 1960s, as being overrun with tourists "seeking in vain for a gateway into the lost past".
https://www.nymr.co.uk/goathland-station
https://www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/__data/assets/image/0013/116320/varieties/desktop.jpgReplies: @YetAnotherAnon
As summed up in the internet meme “This is what they took from us”.
There are plenty of small businesses that simply do not have the margin to raise wages.
And besides, businessmen who watch the news know that the Biden administration is letting in 200,000 cheap workers every month, AND is thoughtfully distributing them all over America. By bus, by plane – they’re coming to YOUR town soon!