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That’s pretty wild: according to Google, nobody has ever asked exactly that question before…

The closest anybody came heretofore was:

Why hasn’t anybody ever asked, “Do whites have civil rights?”

Is the answer too obvious?

If so, what is it? Yes or no?

 
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  1. That’s only the part Google is telling you. Do you think that impertinent questions like that one don’t get you on one of their lists?? Just kidding..you’re already on all their lists.

    • Agree: L in Atl hell
  2. Not in the minds of many Wokeists:

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Bert

    Well, when a civil war comes, it is unlikely to be over by lunchtime. So those guys are better situated to survive starvation than most. Moreover, the lefty people and blacks underestimate how fragile and how much effort is required to keep modern industrial society running.

    Food for example: most of it is trucked in from in many places, across the country. Sometimes around the world via ships and rail and trucks. That's just food -- the weekly deliveries to supermarkets requires an intact transport infrastructure including but not limited to roads, fuel for trucks, safety of drivers, intact and operating ports with power, power to the supermarkets, power and security of existing warehouses, etc. For communications, that requires above all power, continual power and the like. Earthquake planning in Los Angeles assumes that with widespread power outages most cell service will be down weeks to months (depending on severity) after 24-48 hours.

    Now, ask yourself, which group is more resilient: overweight middle aged White guys with pickup trucks and rifles who can and do hunt in forests for pigs and deer, and are able to suffer discomfort: no AC, no clean running water, etc? Or vibrant people of diversity in urban areas, and effete SJWs? Yes the military can project power, awesomely, but the US is a huge country. One of the big reasons for failure of the German War machine repeatedly in Barbarossa and Case Blue was that the front they operated on was so vast they could never really concentrate their forces. And that assumes no race-based mutinies (on either side) and the absolute command and control of commanders revered and respected. Gen Woke Milley? Miley Cyrus has more respect I'd imagine by front-line soldiers. Milley has never seen combat. That matters.

    And no, Whites have no civil rights. No rights period. That is the whole point of the Civil Rights Act -- that Whites are to be discriminated against until a permanent solution to them can be found. Pretty much at this point the Biden Regency has determined that White people are the greatest threat to the US and so must be dealt with. With rampant inflation for years making people much poorer, no legitimacy whatsoever, no charisma, leadership, and no patronage offered beyond his black base -- yes I think conflict is unavoidable. Particularly as the Woke Leadership inside the Regency believes everything they see about Whites.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Bert

    Trying to imagine the degree of historical illiteracy of someone who conceives of the Civil War as a one-sided no fuss "ass whooping."

  3. We have as many rights as the Manchurians had when the Japanese occupied Manchuria, a few collaborators are of course welcome.

  4. I think the presumption in today’s progressive world is “of course whites have civil rights!!! Just look at everything around you! Whites control everything but the poor, oppressed minorities are being beaten up and humiliated by society! Whites control everything and they are the villains!!” Or some such . . . With this line of thinking, whites definitely don’t need any rights whatsoever. Sad.

  5. The civil rights of whites (=their privileges (Ibam X. Kendi)) have caused all the problems, humanity is facing right now. – CO-19, not least. When in doubt, go ask Dr. Unz – not a single black man in the secret laboratories that did create CO-19, right? – And you can go on from there – – – whitey’s problems are everywhere – from Greenland to the South Pole – and back!

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Dieter Kief

    Are there any differences between how the people of West Germany and East Germany view the issue of race&immigration? Could there potentially be a major civil conflict in Germany, with East Germans&Russian-German migrants battling the Islamic migrants&West Germany/European Union?

    It seems like just as America has the Blue/Red divide in America, you have the divide between East Germany (with Russian-German migrants) on one side and West Germany (with Islamic migrants and EU support) on the other side? Perhaps Putin (if he wanted to be mischievous) could send in troops to support the East German side and help them form a new republic that allies with Russia?

    Or am I overestimating the degree of division in Germany?

    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany.

    Replies: @TruthRevolution.net, @Dieter Kief, @Rahan, @German_reader

  6. Easy answer. All the civil rights shit… I mean laws… do not treat white boys as a protected class. You can fck with white boys all you want and they have no redress under those laws.

    • Agree: TruthRevolution.net
  7. @Dieter Kief
    The civil rights of whites (=their privileges (Ibam X. Kendi)) have caused all the problems, humanity is facing right now. - CO-19, not least. When in doubt, go ask Dr. Unz - not a single black man in the secret laboratories that did create CO-19, right? - And you can go on from there - - - whitey's problems are everywhere - from Greenland to the South Pole - and back!

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Are there any differences between how the people of West Germany and East Germany view the issue of race&immigration? Could there potentially be a major civil conflict in Germany, with East Germans&Russian-German migrants battling the Islamic migrants&West Germany/European Union?

    It seems like just as America has the Blue/Red divide in America, you have the divide between East Germany (with Russian-German migrants) on one side and West Germany (with Islamic migrants and EU support) on the other side? Perhaps Putin (if he wanted to be mischievous) could send in troops to support the East German side and help them form a new republic that allies with Russia?

    Or am I overestimating the degree of division in Germany?

    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @TruthRevolution.net
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Whites (and East Asians) alone create coronaviruses and other problems
    @Dieter Kief
    because Blacks don't have the IQ, discipline and organization to do top notch virus experiments. Or did any woke person wait for the Corona cure to come from Tansania or Liberia??

    @JohnnyWalker123
    East Germans have felt communist disinformation an repression through personal experience. Nevertheless, they have been brainwashed for 30 years by the same lying media as in West Germany and in the USA.
    We must oppose biased lying media. We must strive for a Christian morality that demands FULL DISCLOSURE of all facts and alternative interpretations.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany
     
    Civil war with what? - Air pressure guns? We have used Paintball-Machine-Guns too, but you are not supposed to sell them on eBay... - too dangerous!
    No, no civil war. People are too busy watching the news and be scared of the rain! - 116 or so died this weekend because it rained hard and all the climate-change activists had prepared for Sahara-heat - and now was 15 degrees celsius in the Black Forest last week and people were shocked about a summer rain (something quite usual in Germany, but people lose contact with their local surroundings because they are always on a cruise ship in the Caribean or returning from their house in Fuerteventura or planning to visit their friends in Zimbabwe - constantly...
    Plus people are very peaceful and - sensitive throughout. Scared to death because of CO-19. No weapons anywhere (no longing for them too). A wide-spread openness to suffering - not least because we had Hitler... - - - and for donations of any kind to anybody, be they Italians, Migrants, Greeks, the EU, the European Bank, etc. - you name it. Reminds me of some Indian tribe I read about long ago which asked its leaders to be the poorest of them all...Very ritualistic, all that.
    Angela Merkel rules. "We in Germany want to be with all people of the world together in peace and we want that the world prospers for everybody" German Minister for Africa etc. Gerd Müller in a (really impressive!)   hippie-esk speech in Washington, if I remember right  - oh yeah, here he is: a hippie with a grey pullover and a white shirt and a tie...and his shirt has a slogan on it and this slogan reads: END POVERTY - - - - and he means it! - He struggles hard for years day in day out, to END POVERTY - worldwide! - He is Angela Merkel's most enthusiastic servant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNDcmeVQfI

    We are almost all now in a state of mind that is pretty much like Development-Minister Gerd Müller's. - We have eradicated the mental basis for war; we don't know any longer what that is.

    Since it does not only depend on you, whether a war is coming towards you or not, this mentality is in itself a bit frightening, I have to admit.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Rahan
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In hindsight it's not accidental, the shape of Eastern Germany which Stalin snipped off.

    https://infogalactic.com/w/images/thumb/6/6e/Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg/948px-Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg

    They'll always be different. The dirty little secret of Prussia is that they were always Balt and Slav mongrels larping as pure Germans, to the extent of considering themselves as the super-duper-only-real-Germans, because of course, to the extent of being OK with exterminating Slavs proper in order to prove once and for all their inherent cosmic purity of Germanness.

    Unstable chaps, much closer, in spite of everything, to Eastern Europe in spirit, than to Danes, Swedes, Westphalians, or Rhinelanders. A "trojan horse" in a way, not unlike if Austria and Hungary fused again, and Hungary counted as "part of Austria", politically.

    But no, no civil war. Revolutions--yes. Could be.

    Replies: @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @Peter Akuleyev

    , @German_reader
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Or am I overestimating the degree of division in Germany?
     
    The polarization is real and serious. East Germans are way more "nationalist" than West Germans (who are really pathetic beyond belief), and the events since 2015 - which brought large numbers of non-European immigrants to many East German localities for the first time - have been a serious shock for them, leading to fairly high results for AfD in the east (still far from a majority though, but sometimes enough to force the other parties into bizarre coalitions). Many West Germans meanwhile despise the East. It's not uncommon to hear West German left-wingers state opinions of the kind that reunification was a mistake, that East Germans are heartless (because they got so much help back in the 1990s and were kind of like migrants themselves...and now they don't want to help refugees), don't share "our" values etc. Many West Germans also cling to narratives formed in the early 1990s about hordes of East German neo-Nazis hunting down peaceful migrants (when in reality recent years have been rather marked by lots of horror crimes like rapes and random stabbings committed by recent immigrants against East Germans).
    But there won't be a civil war, nor secession by East German states which are demographically and economically weak. The West German bourgeoisie will push on with its insane immigration project and just ignore any Eastern dissent.
  8. It’s a weird question to most because, in their conception of it, the “Civil Rights Movement” is against straight white Christian males, who are the enemy. It would be like asking whether Satan shares in God’s grace or something like that. Philosophically I suppose that would be an interesting question, but to your average person it does not compute.

    In any case rights aren’t something people give you for nothing. You have to take them or pay for them in some manner. They are like a form of wealth.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Bill P

    It very much does compute for your average Christian, that's the whole point. Sinners and Tax Collectors. Rights aren't something people give you at all, just as God's Grace is not something people give to sinners like satan.

    They are both given by God Almighty and men should tremble in fear if they dare neglect and dishonor them. The defense of the those Rights is our solemn duty handed down to us by our ancestors. The recognition of that Grace and our common need thereof is the only sure source of the courage and common purpose required for that defense.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Bill P


    It would be like asking whether Satan shares in God’s grace or something like that. Philosophically I suppose that would be an interesting question, but to your average person, it does not compute.
     
    I think theologically this question is rather clear and the answer is: Yes, Satan too is part of God's creation.

    Philosophically the best answer I know of comes from a Kantian philosopher from Nürnberg, a man who met Kant adored him: Johann Benjamin Erhard. His treatise concerning the devil is called: Apology of the Devil . Erhard argues, that the devil embodies (a kind of) reason (logic), so to speak, but not - grace, and relatedness and Belonging (Jan Gabarek & Keith Jarrett with Palle Danielsson and - John Christensen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVVkdgZVXzY

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @bomag
    @Bill P


    In any case rights aren’t something people give you for nothing. You have to take them or pay for them in some manner.
     
    Dunno. Our Congress hands them out like candy to various minorities and migrants; who then use them like a scrip to gather goodies for themselves.
  9. Exactly. Civil rights were made to favor “protected classes”, so called “minorities” (no, 8% whites (lowercase) in South Africa are NOT a protected “minority”)

    All classes are protected, except white hetero cis males

    It is not allowed to tell the race realist truth. Once we know races are different, the different outcomes are explained, and we can stop closing uncloseable gaps.

    We must revolt,
    a TruthRevolution to demand permission to tell the truth.
    A civil rights movement to demand equal rights for Whites
    A demand for FULL DISCLOSURE of #RacistFacts aka #HateFacts. Permit to verify if Black underachievement and over-arrests is caused by race differences in behavior and talent
    SINCERITY dot NET documents the root of all evil: media, police, teacher’s regulations that demand to cover up “minority” crime and flaws. They exist worldwide in all white Western countries and I don’t see anyone attacking this mandatory media bias.
    Even Colin Flaherty and Isteve wonder why “man” arrested for murder does not tell the race. There is bipartisan agreement about regulations that mandate that “man’s” race must never be told if “man” is black or Muslim.
    ……

    The civil rights act took away freedom of association, the rights of whites to hire who they want, to rent and sell real estate to who they want.

    No white caucus, but a Black (uppercase) caucus.
    Magazines for (Latino) Raza, but not for white race.

  10. Anon[894] • Disclaimer says:

    This came up for me, “civil rights for whites.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/06/26/is-the-civil-rights-era-over/a-civil-rights-movement-for-white-people

    A Civil Rights Movement for White People

    After these historical associations, you may be surprised by the emergence of an unlikely group of supporters of civil rights. It now may be these very whites who become the most ardent advocates of civil rights – for themselves.

    As they become a minority, white Americans may advocate new civil rights laws to protect themselves.
    In my research with Sam Sommers at Tufts University, a national sample of Americans reported their beliefs about levels of racism against both whites and blacks in the United States over the last decades. A full 96 percent of white respondents thought that in the 1950s, there was more racism against blacks than against whites. When white respondents rated racism in the 2000s, in contrast, more than half – 51 percent – thought there was now more racism against whites than against blacks.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Anon

    Coincidentally or otherwise, the 1950s were a time of relative peace and vastly increasing prosperity, not to mention widespread civility.

    So widespread was this civility that hardly anyone felt it worthy of notice, much less study. It was just assumed to be the natural order of life in an advanced society.

    The 2000s, on the other hand, are nearly the opposite in every regard, and rapidly getting worse. Such fun for everyone.

    Replies: @L in Atl hell

  11. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Dieter Kief

    Are there any differences between how the people of West Germany and East Germany view the issue of race&immigration? Could there potentially be a major civil conflict in Germany, with East Germans&Russian-German migrants battling the Islamic migrants&West Germany/European Union?

    It seems like just as America has the Blue/Red divide in America, you have the divide between East Germany (with Russian-German migrants) on one side and West Germany (with Islamic migrants and EU support) on the other side? Perhaps Putin (if he wanted to be mischievous) could send in troops to support the East German side and help them form a new republic that allies with Russia?

    Or am I overestimating the degree of division in Germany?

    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany.

    Replies: @TruthRevolution.net, @Dieter Kief, @Rahan, @German_reader

    Whites (and East Asians) alone create coronaviruses and other problems

    because Blacks don’t have the IQ, discipline and organization to do top notch virus experiments. Or did any woke person wait for the Corona cure to come from Tansania or Liberia??


    East Germans have felt communist disinformation an repression through personal experience. Nevertheless, they have been brainwashed for 30 years by the same lying media as in West Germany and in the USA.
    We must oppose biased lying media. We must strive for a Christian morality that demands FULL DISCLOSURE of all facts and alternative interpretations.

  12. The framing is wrong. Everyone has civil rights (in theory). Civil rights such as freedom of speech, religion, to bear arms, to remain silent, etc. are not race based.

    The true question is: do white benefit from civil privileges? The answer is no. Or more precisely, not as “whites”. Only “protected” classes such as Blacks, Gays, Jews, Trans, Handicapped, Asians, etc., get civil privileges. So only to the extent whites overlap with the Gay, Jew, Trans, or Handicap classes do they get civil privileges.

    • Agree: Spect3r
  13. anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Whites are the majority so don’t need civil rights. Whites have raw power. It’s completely up to whites whether to deprive themselves of civil rights or give themselves more rights than blacks.

  14. Para mis amigos, todo; para mis enemigos, el paredon!

    In South America, those questions are moot: For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the firing squad.

  15. “Civil rights” are a long term sneak attack on Constitutional rights.

  16. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Dieter Kief

    Are there any differences between how the people of West Germany and East Germany view the issue of race&immigration? Could there potentially be a major civil conflict in Germany, with East Germans&Russian-German migrants battling the Islamic migrants&West Germany/European Union?

    It seems like just as America has the Blue/Red divide in America, you have the divide between East Germany (with Russian-German migrants) on one side and West Germany (with Islamic migrants and EU support) on the other side? Perhaps Putin (if he wanted to be mischievous) could send in troops to support the East German side and help them form a new republic that allies with Russia?

    Or am I overestimating the degree of division in Germany?

    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany.

    Replies: @TruthRevolution.net, @Dieter Kief, @Rahan, @German_reader

    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany

    Civil war with what? – Air pressure guns? We have used Paintball-Machine-Guns too, but you are not supposed to sell them on eBay… – too dangerous!
    No, no civil war. People are too busy watching the news and be scared of the rain! – 116 or so died this weekend because it rained hard and all the climate-change activists had prepared for Sahara-heat – and now was 15 degrees celsius in the Black Forest last week and people were shocked about a summer rain (something quite usual in Germany, but people lose contact with their local surroundings because they are always on a cruise ship in the Caribean or returning from their house in Fuerteventura or planning to visit their friends in Zimbabwe – constantly…
    Plus people are very peaceful and – sensitive throughout. Scared to death because of CO-19. No weapons anywhere (no longing for them too). A wide-spread openness to suffering – not least because we had Hitler… – – – and for donations of any kind to anybody, be they Italians, Migrants, Greeks, the EU, the European Bank, etc. – you name it. Reminds me of some Indian tribe I read about long ago which asked its leaders to be the poorest of them all…Very ritualistic, all that.
    Angela Merkel rules. “We in Germany want to be with all people of the world together in peace and we want that the world prospers for everybody” German Minister for Africa etc. Gerd Müller in a (really impressive!)   hippie-esk speech in Washington, if I remember right  – oh yeah, here he is: a hippie with a grey pullover and a white shirt and a tie…and his shirt has a slogan on it and this slogan reads: END POVERTY – – – – and he means it! – He struggles hard for years day in day out, to END POVERTY – worldwide! – He is Angela Merkel’s most enthusiastic servant

    We are almost all now in a state of mind that is pretty much like Development-Minister Gerd Müller’s. – We have eradicated the mental basis for war; we don’t know any longer what that is.

    Since it does not only depend on you, whether a war is coming towards you or not, this mentality is in itself a bit frightening, I have to admit.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Dieter Kief

    Plus almost half of ethnic Germans are over 50. Old guys don't fight.

    I like the other Gerd Müller, who played in Florida at the end of his career. He could still play well. George Best was his teammate!

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Dieter Kief


    No, no civil war. People are too busy watching the news and be scared of the rain! – 116 or so died this weekend because it rained hard and all the climate-change activists had prepared for Sahara-heat – and now was 15 degrees celsius in the Black Forest last week and people were shocked about a summer rain (something quite usual in Germany, but people lose contact with their local surroundings because they are always on a cruise ship in the Caribean or returning from their house in Fuerteventura or planning to visit their friends in Zimbabwe – constantly…

     

    Are you guys seeing a lot of flooding in your town?

    https://twitter.com/AnthonyQuintano/status/1415855394631606273

    Plus people are very peaceful and – sensitive throughout.
     
    Volga Deutsch might be different.

    Here's an interesting documentary about some Eastern Euro Germans who settled in America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vbKf9vyB9E

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  17. @Anon
    This came up for me, "civil rights for whites."

    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/06/26/is-the-civil-rights-era-over/a-civil-rights-movement-for-white-people

    A Civil Rights Movement for White People


    After these historical associations, you may be surprised by the emergence of an unlikely group of supporters of civil rights. It now may be these very whites who become the most ardent advocates of civil rights – for themselves.

    As they become a minority, white Americans may advocate new civil rights laws to protect themselves.
    In my research with Sam Sommers at Tufts University, a national sample of Americans reported their beliefs about levels of racism against both whites and blacks in the United States over the last decades. A full 96 percent of white respondents thought that in the 1950s, there was more racism against blacks than against whites. When white respondents rated racism in the 2000s, in contrast, more than half – 51 percent – thought there was now more racism against whites than against blacks.
     

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Coincidentally or otherwise, the 1950s were a time of relative peace and vastly increasing prosperity, not to mention widespread civility.

    So widespread was this civility that hardly anyone felt it worthy of notice, much less study. It was just assumed to be the natural order of life in an advanced society.

    The 2000s, on the other hand, are nearly the opposite in every regard, and rapidly getting worse. Such fun for everyone.

    • Agree: L in Atl hell
    • Replies: @L in Atl hell
    @Hangnail Hans

    Isn't it interesting that the group of people that most loudly demand their "civil rights"- are the most UNcivil behaving people out there??

  18. @Dieter Kief
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany
     
    Civil war with what? - Air pressure guns? We have used Paintball-Machine-Guns too, but you are not supposed to sell them on eBay... - too dangerous!
    No, no civil war. People are too busy watching the news and be scared of the rain! - 116 or so died this weekend because it rained hard and all the climate-change activists had prepared for Sahara-heat - and now was 15 degrees celsius in the Black Forest last week and people were shocked about a summer rain (something quite usual in Germany, but people lose contact with their local surroundings because they are always on a cruise ship in the Caribean or returning from their house in Fuerteventura or planning to visit their friends in Zimbabwe - constantly...
    Plus people are very peaceful and - sensitive throughout. Scared to death because of CO-19. No weapons anywhere (no longing for them too). A wide-spread openness to suffering - not least because we had Hitler... - - - and for donations of any kind to anybody, be they Italians, Migrants, Greeks, the EU, the European Bank, etc. - you name it. Reminds me of some Indian tribe I read about long ago which asked its leaders to be the poorest of them all...Very ritualistic, all that.
    Angela Merkel rules. "We in Germany want to be with all people of the world together in peace and we want that the world prospers for everybody" German Minister for Africa etc. Gerd Müller in a (really impressive!)   hippie-esk speech in Washington, if I remember right  - oh yeah, here he is: a hippie with a grey pullover and a white shirt and a tie...and his shirt has a slogan on it and this slogan reads: END POVERTY - - - - and he means it! - He struggles hard for years day in day out, to END POVERTY - worldwide! - He is Angela Merkel's most enthusiastic servant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNDcmeVQfI

    We are almost all now in a state of mind that is pretty much like Development-Minister Gerd Müller's. - We have eradicated the mental basis for war; we don't know any longer what that is.

    Since it does not only depend on you, whether a war is coming towards you or not, this mentality is in itself a bit frightening, I have to admit.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @JohnnyWalker123

    Plus almost half of ethnic Germans are over 50. Old guys don’t fight.

    I like the other Gerd Müller, who played in Florida at the end of his career. He could still play well. George Best was his teammate!

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  19. “Civil rights” translates into “minority privileges.”

    So no, whites don’t. But Steve knows this already.

  20. Christopher Caldwell explained this pretty well in his recent book The Age of Entitlement – see Peak Stupidity‘s review here. He sees the Civil Rights movement and all the laws actually legislated or, more likely, decided by courts since then as a 2nd Constitution to replace the original US Constitution. He makes a good case, and that case explains clearly why, no, White people do not have Civil Rights under the new Law of the Land.

    BTW, it’s a very decent book, but Mr. Caldwell completely cucks out from telling the truth in his first 2 chapters (after the Intro.), Chapter 2 on Race and Chapter 3 on Sex. I mean he COMPLETELY cucked out. If you can get through or around those chapters, it’s a good book if you really need an answer to the question that stumped the Goolag.

    .

    Did you try DuckDuckGo? What’d the duck say?

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Achmed E. Newman


    He sees the Civil Rights movement and all the laws actually legislated or, more likely, decided by courts since then as a 2nd Constitution to replace the original US Constitution.
     
    Exactly. Civil Rights effectively means the right of all blacks to have the same stuff whites have. In practice this means whites have no rights.
    Contrast this with constitutional rights, or civil liberties, which assumes that each individual has the same rights, whatever those rights are, such as freedom of speech. In practice this results in whites keeping the stuff they've got.
  21. I switched over to duckduckgo.com for search a while ago, and if you want to see two very different sets of search results, try the search string “do whites have civil rights” there and on google.com.

    DDG gave me ten very different and useful results; google.com led off with a New York Times article from 2013, and then goes on to say – listen up, racists!

    After the civil rights era, white Americans failed to support …

    White Backlash Is Nothing New – The Atlantic

    RACE – The Power of an Illusion | White Advantage

    Black Progress: How far we’ve come, and how far we have to go

    What is white backlash and how is it still affecting America …

    The Jim Crow Museum focuses on the anti-Blacks objects that were used to subordinate Africans and African Americans

    This report documents the massive white resistance to racial equality, integration, and civil rights.

    I made money from SEO (search engine optimization, writing a web page to rank highly in search engine results) in the 2000’s and went to a number of conferences, many of which were hosted by Google, to find out about it. At that time, Google programmers saw the results page as something to be engineered to meet the needs of the user.

    Let’s say your two kids were constantly fighting with each other and you searched for “sibling rivalry”. The first page of results would have a couple of links to the best books on the subject, a couple of links to the best articles, a couple of links to local psychologists, etc. There’s a reason for SEO – Google was so good at presenting what you needed, if your website wasn’t on the first page of results, you were almost wasting your time in having a website.

    Now, it’s obvious what Google is doing. Rather than build a results page to address the question posed by the user, they’re building a web page to manipulate or “educate” the user.

  22. Duck Duck Go brings up lots of hits on Do whites have civil rights?. #2 is vdare, and #5 is the NYT.

  23. OK, that was laziness. I spent all of 10 seconds putting the question to the duck, and getting him going on it.

    The first result links to this .pdf file from ’06 from the Journal of American History. Get this, it refers to a protests by White Detroit policemen about “reverse discrimination” (hate the term) in 1975, and it refers to a sign held at the protests.

    Hey, the next result is a VDare page! Of all people, this one Abolishing America (contd.): Do Whites Have Rights?. Only thing is, “Civil” to refer very specifically to this BS, was not part of the search result. This was a Paul Craig Roberts* column from ’02.

    The 4th result down is a NY Times article, if that’s your thing, in a “room for debate” directory, from ’13 – A Civil Rights Movement for White People. No, I’m not linking to it and I didn’t click on it. I’m pretty sure it was not the Civil Rights explanation I’ve been looking for.

    .

    * Of all the various pundits published on VDare, it was coincidental for me seeing this, as I just read him for only the 2nd time in years, as explained just yesterday on Peak Stupidity. He has an excellent summary of the whole Kung Flu Stupidity, right here on The Unz Review.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Oops, sorry. I munged up 2 sentences. Should have been, "... of all people, Paul Craig Roberts... ", because I'd thought he'd left his Constitutionalist roots behind and completely cucked off the deep end, till I read his very recent column.

  24. @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, that was laziness. I spent all of 10 seconds putting the question to the duck, and getting him going on it.

    The first result links to this .pdf file from '06 from the Journal of American History. Get this, it refers to a protests by White Detroit policemen about "reverse discrimination" (hate the term) in 1975, and it refers to a sign held at the protests.

    Hey, the next result is a VDare page! Of all people, this one Abolishing America (contd.): Do Whites Have Rights?. Only thing is, "Civil" to refer very specifically to this BS, was not part of the search result. This was a Paul Craig Roberts* column from '02.

    The 4th result down is a NY Times article, if that's your thing, in a "room for debate" directory, from '13 - A Civil Rights Movement for White People. No, I'm not linking to it and I didn't click on it. I'm pretty sure it was not the Civil Rights explanation I've been looking for.

    .


    * Of all the various pundits published on VDare, it was coincidental for me seeing this, as I just read him for only the 2nd time in years, as explained just yesterday on Peak Stupidity. He has an excellent summary of the whole Kung Flu Stupidity, right here on The Unz Review.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Oops, sorry. I munged up 2 sentences. Should have been, “… of all people, Paul Craig Roberts… “, because I’d thought he’d left his Constitutionalist roots behind and completely cucked off the deep end, till I read his very recent column.

  25. I’m glad to say Google no longer says there aren’t many great matches for your search. Google it again and you’ll see that this post is now the top pick, followed by your subsequent post, “WaPo: Stephen Miller Alleges, “Whites Have Civil Rights, Too…”. Let’s see how long it stays that way.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rob McX

    Interesting, Rob.

    We could conduct a lot of cool experiments here with Google and other search engines. I'm up for it, if Steve could set up specific times and a plan.

  26. • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius


    Students as young as kindergarten were told to participate in "privilege walks" based on their skin color & taught that color-blindness is racist. The school website proclaimed white children are not "racial innocents.”
     
    Had somebody made a movie scene about something like that a few years back, it would have been about North Korea or some such. This is going too far, isn't it?
    And what does that show: That people are scared out of their right minds?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  27. Maybe the first question is what is everyone discussing when mentioning civil rights. Can whites vote, can whites publish, can whites practice their religion. Have whites been prevented in the past (yes in many cases)? Are white prevented from practicing any form of civil action in the present?

    What many of the posters seem to be saying is that whites have zero special rights based upon being white but that blacks have special rights such as affirmative action, set asides, quotas that whites do not have.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @guest007


    What many of the posters seem to be saying is that whites have zero special rights based upon being white but that blacks have special rights such as affirmative action, set asides, quotas that whites do not have.
     
    Nope, it doesn't work like that. Any "special right" by nature destroys the natural rights of the non-special people that had been enforced by the US Constitution.

    Replies: @guest007

  28. @Rob McX
    I'm glad to say Google no longer says there aren't many great matches for your search. Google it again and you'll see that this post is now the top pick, followed by your subsequent post, "WaPo: Stephen Miller Alleges, "Whites Have Civil Rights, Too...". Let's see how long it stays that way.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Interesting, Rob.

    We could conduct a lot of cool experiments here with Google and other search engines. I’m up for it, if Steve could set up specific times and a plan.

  29. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Dieter Kief

    Are there any differences between how the people of West Germany and East Germany view the issue of race&immigration? Could there potentially be a major civil conflict in Germany, with East Germans&Russian-German migrants battling the Islamic migrants&West Germany/European Union?

    It seems like just as America has the Blue/Red divide in America, you have the divide between East Germany (with Russian-German migrants) on one side and West Germany (with Islamic migrants and EU support) on the other side? Perhaps Putin (if he wanted to be mischievous) could send in troops to support the East German side and help them form a new republic that allies with Russia?

    Or am I overestimating the degree of division in Germany?

    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany.

    Replies: @TruthRevolution.net, @Dieter Kief, @Rahan, @German_reader

    In hindsight it’s not accidental, the shape of Eastern Germany which Stalin snipped off.

    They’ll always be different. The dirty little secret of Prussia is that they were always Balt and Slav mongrels larping as pure Germans, to the extent of considering themselves as the super-duper-only-real-Germans, because of course, to the extent of being OK with exterminating Slavs proper in order to prove once and for all their inherent cosmic purity of Germanness.

    Unstable chaps, much closer, in spite of everything, to Eastern Europe in spirit, than to Danes, Swedes, Westphalians, or Rhinelanders. A “trojan horse” in a way, not unlike if Austria and Hungary fused again, and Hungary counted as “part of Austria”, politically.

    But no, no civil war. Revolutions–yes. Could be.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Rahan


    to the extent of being OK with exterminating Slavs proper in order to prove once and for all their inherent cosmic purity of Germanness.
     
    Myth. There was never an “extermination” sentiment, plan, or act.

    Replies: @Rahan

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Rahan

    Thanks.


    But no, no civil war. Revolutions–yes. Could be.

     

    I wonder if Putin could somehow manipulate that East/West divide and establish his own sphere of influence. Or is anti-Russian supplement too strong to allow any sort of outside Russian subversion?
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Rahan

    The dirty little secret of Prussia is that they were always Balt and Slav mongrels larping as pure Germans

    Not at all. The "Prussians" in East Prussia were mostly descended from German immigrants from Brandenburg and Saxony, which are firmly German on your map. Their ancestors colonized the Baltic coast in the Middle Ages, Christianizing the natives at sword point and building trade outposts in the middle of Baltic and Slav farmers and woodsmen, trade outposts that eventually grew into towns and formed the Hanseatic league.

    And even those Prussians were a minority inside the German nation known as "Prussia", which was never really "Prussian" at all. Its historical core was Brandenburg (where Berlin is). The Hohenzollerns later called their collection of lands "Prussia" only because they were allowed to call themselves "Kings in Prussia" after they acquired that land in the 17the century. Because Brandenburg was inside the Holy Roman Empire, the Hohenzollerns could never be "Kings" of their own original territory but were forced to remain "Margraves". So the use of "Prussia" was a PR move.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  30. Try duckduckgo they generally show all the results shadowbanned from google

  31. @Bill P
    It's a weird question to most because, in their conception of it, the "Civil Rights Movement" is against straight white Christian males, who are the enemy. It would be like asking whether Satan shares in God's grace or something like that. Philosophically I suppose that would be an interesting question, but to your average person it does not compute.

    In any case rights aren't something people give you for nothing. You have to take them or pay for them in some manner. They are like a form of wealth.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dieter Kief, @bomag

    It very much does compute for your average Christian, that’s the whole point. Sinners and Tax Collectors. Rights aren’t something people give you at all, just as God’s Grace is not something people give to sinners like satan.

    They are both given by God Almighty and men should tremble in fear if they dare neglect and dishonor them. The defense of the those Rights is our solemn duty handed down to us by our ancestors. The recognition of that Grace and our common need thereof is the only sure source of the courage and common purpose required for that defense.

  32. German_reader says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @Dieter Kief

    Are there any differences between how the people of West Germany and East Germany view the issue of race&immigration? Could there potentially be a major civil conflict in Germany, with East Germans&Russian-German migrants battling the Islamic migrants&West Germany/European Union?

    It seems like just as America has the Blue/Red divide in America, you have the divide between East Germany (with Russian-German migrants) on one side and West Germany (with Islamic migrants and EU support) on the other side? Perhaps Putin (if he wanted to be mischievous) could send in troops to support the East German side and help them form a new republic that allies with Russia?

    Or am I overestimating the degree of division in Germany?

    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany.

    Replies: @TruthRevolution.net, @Dieter Kief, @Rahan, @German_reader

    Or am I overestimating the degree of division in Germany?

    The polarization is real and serious. East Germans are way more “nationalist” than West Germans (who are really pathetic beyond belief), and the events since 2015 – which brought large numbers of non-European immigrants to many East German localities for the first time – have been a serious shock for them, leading to fairly high results for AfD in the east (still far from a majority though, but sometimes enough to force the other parties into bizarre coalitions). Many West Germans meanwhile despise the East. It’s not uncommon to hear West German left-wingers state opinions of the kind that reunification was a mistake, that East Germans are heartless (because they got so much help back in the 1990s and were kind of like migrants themselves…and now they don’t want to help refugees), don’t share “our” values etc. Many West Germans also cling to narratives formed in the early 1990s about hordes of East German neo-Nazis hunting down peaceful migrants (when in reality recent years have been rather marked by lots of horror crimes like rapes and random stabbings committed by recent immigrants against East Germans).
    But there won’t be a civil war, nor secession by East German states which are demographically and economically weak. The West German bourgeoisie will push on with its insane immigration project and just ignore any Eastern dissent.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  33. Civil Rights was always about a direct attack on core America. Jackie Robinson was there to attack you and take your country away from you. MLK was there to attack you and take your country away from you. some confusion about this at the time is understandable, because normal citizens thought they were making a good faith compromise. but leftists were just taking advantage of their good nature.

    as Hanania correctly observed,

    View post on imgur.com

  34. Richard Hanania says,

    As I have pointed out, the Civil Rights Act has been interpreted to not only allow anti-white discrimination, but actually mandate it in the form of affirmative action. As it turns out, people interested in enforcing civil rights law think discrimination against blacks is a major problem society has to constantly be on guard against, while discrimination against whites isn’t really a thing.

    https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/governments-have-a-right-to-ban-critical

    My advice to this crowd: Make the moral changes that you can make to society and politics. Accept what you can’t change. And try to enjoy your life and life an awesome life regardless.

    Removing anti-white bias from institutions is a noble cause. You have the moral high ground. Do what you can do change that. Accept that your efforts are limited, you generally won’t get everything you want, but with calm determined effort, you can make a difference.

    Also, try to enjoy your life, and not let haters and politicos pull you down. Be grateful for what you have, rather than bitter about what you don’t.

    The worst combination is reading this stuff on the Internet, getting angry and bitter about it, and not making any real changes to improve things. Especially when anger is justified, turn it into productive action or get rid of it.

  35. Anon[153] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    A little off topic, but Mark Perry, professor of economics at the University of Michigan-Flint, has been filing dozens and dozens of complaints against university programs and practices, mostly at colleges not his own, that discriminate against men. There is nothing too trivial for this guy. Various women-only break rooms have met their end because of him. He has virtually distroyed the “You go girl!” genre of university-sponsored learn-to-code-for-girls programs. They end up having to change their requirements to allow males, and then he’s back at them complaining that the photos only include females and the language sort of passive-aggressively implies the programs are for girls, and he demands all this promotional shit be redone from scratch. There are a lot of scholarship programs that have had to open up because of him.

    He’s an example of how you can sort of automate this stuff. Once you get your head around the laws for federally supported programs you can write up some boilerplate and send it out without much work.

    Here he is branching out, going after a BIPOC-only 10-day rap music business course

    Perry filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Education over a 10-day music business course that will be hosted and taught by rap star IDK.

    In his complaint, Perry argued, “This program discriminates on the basis of skin color by operating exclusively for BIPOC individuals only and illegally excluding and discriminating against non-BIPOC individuals on the basis of skin color.”

    Perry told Campus Reform, “In some cases like this, a university might claim that they are merely renting space on its campus to a discriminatory group or program, but they are not affiliated with the program or endorsing it,” Perry told Campus Reform.

    “In this case, I don’t think Harvard can make that claim as I tried to emphasize in my complaint. Harvard should be considered a partner because the program name is ‘No Label Academy at Harvard’ and a Harvard faculty member is serving as an adviser to the program.”

    https://www.tampafp.com/michigan-professor-lashes-out-at-harvards-liberal-policies-that-violate-federal-civil-rights-laws/

    In a lot of cases I think that excluded groups (men or whites) still are excluded. I think most guys would be self conscious about hanging out in a break room that seems to be all chicks, or that they know previously was for women only until “some asshole complained.” It’s not hard for women or blacks to intimidate white men by simply rolling their eyes. Still, it’s a start.

    Another guy who does this is Professor Kursat Christoff Pekgoz.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/379501643/Guide-to-Abolishing-Affirmative-Action-for-Women-Christoff-s-Dear-Colleague-Letter

    • Replies: @L in Atl hell
    @Anon

    Both of those men, Pekgoz and Perry, are my heroes!! Hopefully these ripples will turn into a riptide!!

  36. Ann Coulter likes to say “civil rights are for blacks”. But it’s when she’s arguing that extending affirmative action to Latinos and Pacific Islanders and whatnot is crazy.

  37. Whites have always had civil rights; that was the standard of Everyman’s civil rights.

    Its just that white privilege has never been restricted to just white progressives before.

  38. @Bert
    Not in the minds of many Wokeists:

    https://twitter.com/NYinLA2121/status/1416076908899356679

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Well, when a civil war comes, it is unlikely to be over by lunchtime. So those guys are better situated to survive starvation than most. Moreover, the lefty people and blacks underestimate how fragile and how much effort is required to keep modern industrial society running.

    Food for example: most of it is trucked in from in many places, across the country. Sometimes around the world via ships and rail and trucks. That’s just food — the weekly deliveries to supermarkets requires an intact transport infrastructure including but not limited to roads, fuel for trucks, safety of drivers, intact and operating ports with power, power to the supermarkets, power and security of existing warehouses, etc. For communications, that requires above all power, continual power and the like. Earthquake planning in Los Angeles assumes that with widespread power outages most cell service will be down weeks to months (depending on severity) after 24-48 hours.

    Now, ask yourself, which group is more resilient: overweight middle aged White guys with pickup trucks and rifles who can and do hunt in forests for pigs and deer, and are able to suffer discomfort: no AC, no clean running water, etc? Or vibrant people of diversity in urban areas, and effete SJWs? Yes the military can project power, awesomely, but the US is a huge country. One of the big reasons for failure of the German War machine repeatedly in Barbarossa and Case Blue was that the front they operated on was so vast they could never really concentrate their forces. And that assumes no race-based mutinies (on either side) and the absolute command and control of commanders revered and respected. Gen Woke Milley? Miley Cyrus has more respect I’d imagine by front-line soldiers. Milley has never seen combat. That matters.

    And no, Whites have no civil rights. No rights period. That is the whole point of the Civil Rights Act — that Whites are to be discriminated against until a permanent solution to them can be found. Pretty much at this point the Biden Regency has determined that White people are the greatest threat to the US and so must be dealt with. With rampant inflation for years making people much poorer, no legitimacy whatsoever, no charisma, leadership, and no patronage offered beyond his black base — yes I think conflict is unavoidable. Particularly as the Woke Leadership inside the Regency believes everything they see about Whites.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Whiskey

    I could nit-pick a couple things, but that's a good comment.

  39. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1416546685845639170?s=20

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Students as young as kindergarten were told to participate in “privilege walks” based on their skin color & taught that color-blindness is racist. The school website proclaimed white children are not “racial innocents.”

    Had somebody made a movie scene about something like that a few years back, it would have been about North Korea or some such. This is going too far, isn’t it?
    And what does that show: That people are scared out of their right minds?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Dieter Kief

    Too far?

    The problem isn't so much the degree as the kind and the kind has been there now for a good long time.

    Evanston is Northwestern which yearns to be at the head of a global polity rather than the tail of a national one. Global polities need deracinated leaders (in their minds) so they start the process early.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  40. @Bill P
    It's a weird question to most because, in their conception of it, the "Civil Rights Movement" is against straight white Christian males, who are the enemy. It would be like asking whether Satan shares in God's grace or something like that. Philosophically I suppose that would be an interesting question, but to your average person it does not compute.

    In any case rights aren't something people give you for nothing. You have to take them or pay for them in some manner. They are like a form of wealth.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dieter Kief, @bomag

    It would be like asking whether Satan shares in God’s grace or something like that. Philosophically I suppose that would be an interesting question, but to your average person, it does not compute.

    I think theologically this question is rather clear and the answer is: Yes, Satan too is part of God’s creation.

    Philosophically the best answer I know of comes from a Kantian philosopher from Nürnberg, a man who met Kant adored him: Johann Benjamin Erhard. His treatise concerning the devil is called: Apology of the Devil . Erhard argues, that the devil embodies (a kind of) reason (logic), so to speak, but not – grace, and relatedness and Belonging (Jan Gabarek & Keith Jarrett with Palle Danielsson and – John Christensen.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Dieter Kief

    Thanks, Dieter, for finishing my thought. I appreciate it.

  41. @Rahan
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In hindsight it's not accidental, the shape of Eastern Germany which Stalin snipped off.

    https://infogalactic.com/w/images/thumb/6/6e/Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg/948px-Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg

    They'll always be different. The dirty little secret of Prussia is that they were always Balt and Slav mongrels larping as pure Germans, to the extent of considering themselves as the super-duper-only-real-Germans, because of course, to the extent of being OK with exterminating Slavs proper in order to prove once and for all their inherent cosmic purity of Germanness.

    Unstable chaps, much closer, in spite of everything, to Eastern Europe in spirit, than to Danes, Swedes, Westphalians, or Rhinelanders. A "trojan horse" in a way, not unlike if Austria and Hungary fused again, and Hungary counted as "part of Austria", politically.

    But no, no civil war. Revolutions--yes. Could be.

    Replies: @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @Peter Akuleyev

    to the extent of being OK with exterminating Slavs proper in order to prove once and for all their inherent cosmic purity of Germanness.

    Myth. There was never an “extermination” sentiment, plan, or act.

    • Replies: @Rahan
    @Anon


    Myth. There was never an “extermination” sentiment, plan, or act.
     
    https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/67dbd54d0c0a664e137ddaed2af274fd.jpg

    https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/04a3c6c43b51ea2c626f193ecbd21ff9.jpg

    https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/d3afd6fd09b0918a372dc48187c9e8c8.jpg
  42. @Whiskey
    @Bert

    Well, when a civil war comes, it is unlikely to be over by lunchtime. So those guys are better situated to survive starvation than most. Moreover, the lefty people and blacks underestimate how fragile and how much effort is required to keep modern industrial society running.

    Food for example: most of it is trucked in from in many places, across the country. Sometimes around the world via ships and rail and trucks. That's just food -- the weekly deliveries to supermarkets requires an intact transport infrastructure including but not limited to roads, fuel for trucks, safety of drivers, intact and operating ports with power, power to the supermarkets, power and security of existing warehouses, etc. For communications, that requires above all power, continual power and the like. Earthquake planning in Los Angeles assumes that with widespread power outages most cell service will be down weeks to months (depending on severity) after 24-48 hours.

    Now, ask yourself, which group is more resilient: overweight middle aged White guys with pickup trucks and rifles who can and do hunt in forests for pigs and deer, and are able to suffer discomfort: no AC, no clean running water, etc? Or vibrant people of diversity in urban areas, and effete SJWs? Yes the military can project power, awesomely, but the US is a huge country. One of the big reasons for failure of the German War machine repeatedly in Barbarossa and Case Blue was that the front they operated on was so vast they could never really concentrate their forces. And that assumes no race-based mutinies (on either side) and the absolute command and control of commanders revered and respected. Gen Woke Milley? Miley Cyrus has more respect I'd imagine by front-line soldiers. Milley has never seen combat. That matters.

    And no, Whites have no civil rights. No rights period. That is the whole point of the Civil Rights Act -- that Whites are to be discriminated against until a permanent solution to them can be found. Pretty much at this point the Biden Regency has determined that White people are the greatest threat to the US and so must be dealt with. With rampant inflation for years making people much poorer, no legitimacy whatsoever, no charisma, leadership, and no patronage offered beyond his black base -- yes I think conflict is unavoidable. Particularly as the Woke Leadership inside the Regency believes everything they see about Whites.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I could nit-pick a couple things, but that’s a good comment.

    • Agree: kaganovitch, bomag
  43. @Rahan
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In hindsight it's not accidental, the shape of Eastern Germany which Stalin snipped off.

    https://infogalactic.com/w/images/thumb/6/6e/Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg/948px-Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg

    They'll always be different. The dirty little secret of Prussia is that they were always Balt and Slav mongrels larping as pure Germans, to the extent of considering themselves as the super-duper-only-real-Germans, because of course, to the extent of being OK with exterminating Slavs proper in order to prove once and for all their inherent cosmic purity of Germanness.

    Unstable chaps, much closer, in spite of everything, to Eastern Europe in spirit, than to Danes, Swedes, Westphalians, or Rhinelanders. A "trojan horse" in a way, not unlike if Austria and Hungary fused again, and Hungary counted as "part of Austria", politically.

    But no, no civil war. Revolutions--yes. Could be.

    Replies: @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @Peter Akuleyev

    Thanks.

    But no, no civil war. Revolutions–yes. Could be.

    I wonder if Putin could somehow manipulate that East/West divide and establish his own sphere of influence. Or is anti-Russian supplement too strong to allow any sort of outside Russian subversion?

  44. @Dieter Kief
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I was curious about your thoughts on whether there could be a civil war in Germany
     
    Civil war with what? - Air pressure guns? We have used Paintball-Machine-Guns too, but you are not supposed to sell them on eBay... - too dangerous!
    No, no civil war. People are too busy watching the news and be scared of the rain! - 116 or so died this weekend because it rained hard and all the climate-change activists had prepared for Sahara-heat - and now was 15 degrees celsius in the Black Forest last week and people were shocked about a summer rain (something quite usual in Germany, but people lose contact with their local surroundings because they are always on a cruise ship in the Caribean or returning from their house in Fuerteventura or planning to visit their friends in Zimbabwe - constantly...
    Plus people are very peaceful and - sensitive throughout. Scared to death because of CO-19. No weapons anywhere (no longing for them too). A wide-spread openness to suffering - not least because we had Hitler... - - - and for donations of any kind to anybody, be they Italians, Migrants, Greeks, the EU, the European Bank, etc. - you name it. Reminds me of some Indian tribe I read about long ago which asked its leaders to be the poorest of them all...Very ritualistic, all that.
    Angela Merkel rules. "We in Germany want to be with all people of the world together in peace and we want that the world prospers for everybody" German Minister for Africa etc. Gerd Müller in a (really impressive!)   hippie-esk speech in Washington, if I remember right  - oh yeah, here he is: a hippie with a grey pullover and a white shirt and a tie...and his shirt has a slogan on it and this slogan reads: END POVERTY - - - - and he means it! - He struggles hard for years day in day out, to END POVERTY - worldwide! - He is Angela Merkel's most enthusiastic servant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNDcmeVQfI

    We are almost all now in a state of mind that is pretty much like Development-Minister Gerd Müller's. - We have eradicated the mental basis for war; we don't know any longer what that is.

    Since it does not only depend on you, whether a war is coming towards you or not, this mentality is in itself a bit frightening, I have to admit.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @JohnnyWalker123

    No, no civil war. People are too busy watching the news and be scared of the rain! – 116 or so died this weekend because it rained hard and all the climate-change activists had prepared for Sahara-heat – and now was 15 degrees celsius in the Black Forest last week and people were shocked about a summer rain (something quite usual in Germany, but people lose contact with their local surroundings because they are always on a cruise ship in the Caribean or returning from their house in Fuerteventura or planning to visit their friends in Zimbabwe – constantly…

    Are you guys seeing a lot of flooding in your town?

    Plus people are very peaceful and – sensitive throughout.

    Volga Deutsch might be different.

    Here’s an interesting documentary about some Eastern Euro Germans who settled in America.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Lovely! - Thanks. And yes - the Volga-Deutsche are different. The times-they-are-a changing!

  45. I was unable to duplicate your “It looks like ..” Google result. My search returned all sorts of links, though none that specifically answered yes or no.

    Satire?

    FWIW, substituting for other races didn’t much change the results.

  46. @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius


    Students as young as kindergarten were told to participate in "privilege walks" based on their skin color & taught that color-blindness is racist. The school website proclaimed white children are not "racial innocents.”
     
    Had somebody made a movie scene about something like that a few years back, it would have been about North Korea or some such. This is going too far, isn't it?
    And what does that show: That people are scared out of their right minds?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Too far?

    The problem isn’t so much the degree as the kind and the kind has been there now for a good long time.

    Evanston is Northwestern which yearns to be at the head of a global polity rather than the tail of a national one. Global polities need deracinated leaders (in their minds) so they start the process early.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius


    Evanston is Northwestern which yearns to be at the head of a global polity rather than the tail of a national one. Global polities need deracinated leaders (in their minds) so they start the process early.
     
    They do. But what they now feel obliged to is so blatantly a-human, that - that it makes me feel sad in a way stories about North Korea make me feel sad.
    I run into anywhere here and there and what strikes me rather frightening about them is, that they - appear to be hollow. - Always busy trying to be pleasant and - acknowledged. When they meet, they bore themselves to death not least because the conversation is in English and most of them talk it so-la-la. Lots of nice-looking and behaving Asian wives, who resist learning German, for example, and live in Zürich the same way they used to live in Hong Kong and before that in Tokio or Lagos, or Los Angeles...

    If I compare Alex Jones to them - a strange choice, I admit - but still: I think he is more real than they are. and definitely more interesting.

    Most real lately the young TGP pundit ex real-estate agent turned reporter about the forensic audit in Arizona Jordan Conradson. Conradson about the voter fraud in 2020: Crime of the Century!

    https://news-block.com/tgps-jordan-conradson-joins-alex-jones-in-discussing-arizonas-audit-hearing-video/

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    Christopher Caldwell explained this pretty well in his recent book The Age of Entitlement - see Peak Stupidity's review here. He sees the Civil Rights movement and all the laws actually legislated or, more likely, decided by courts since then as a 2nd Constitution to replace the original US Constitution. He makes a good case, and that case explains clearly why, no, White people do not have Civil Rights under the new Law of the Land.

    BTW, it's a very decent book, but Mr. Caldwell completely cucks out from telling the truth in his first 2 chapters (after the Intro.), Chapter 2 on Race and Chapter 3 on Sex. I mean he COMPLETELY cucked out. If you can get through or around those chapters, it's a good book if you really need an answer to the question that stumped the Goolag.

    .

    Did you try DuckDuckGo? What'd the duck say?

    Replies: @rebel yell

    He sees the Civil Rights movement and all the laws actually legislated or, more likely, decided by courts since then as a 2nd Constitution to replace the original US Constitution.

    Exactly. Civil Rights effectively means the right of all blacks to have the same stuff whites have. In practice this means whites have no rights.
    Contrast this with constitutional rights, or civil liberties, which assumes that each individual has the same rights, whatever those rights are, such as freedom of speech. In practice this results in whites keeping the stuff they’ve got.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  48. “Do Whites Have Civil Rights?”

    This question reminds me of the title of a chapter in Harrison Salisbury’s 1992 book “The New Emperors: China in the Era of Mao and Deng“.

    The title of Chapter 26 is: “Silly Child! You Still Don’t Know Anything!”

    Liu Shaoqi was Head of State of the PRC, and Mao’s logical successor, before Liu was deposed and murdered during the Cultural Revolution. Liu and his wife Wang Guangmei had several children, one of whom was a daughter named Liu Tingting.

    At the very beginning of the Cultural Revolution, Liu had his first inkling of what was going on in July 1966 when he was forced to make a public self-criticism in the Great Hall of the People.

    ” … A week later, Tingting, then fourteen, ran into “Auntie” Cai Chang (previously one of Mao’s inner circle from way back). …
    “How is your mother (i.e., Wang Guangmei)?, Cai Chang asked.
    “Oh, she’s doing fine,” said Tingting. “She is selling food in the the students’ dining hall in Qinghua University.”
    “Silly Child!” Cai Ching replied. “You Still Don’t Know Anything!” She burst into tears and hurried off.

    Read what the so-called thought leaders affiliated with the U.S. Department of Defense–which really should be renamed the U.S. War Department–think of the opinions of tens of millions of U.S. citizens:

    https://warontherocks.com/2021/07/education-against-extremism-suggestions-for-a-smarter-stand-down/

    It is now official DoD policy that the inchoate protest of Jan. 6 at the U.S. Capitol Building was an “insurrection”. In other words, the DoD leadership is parroting the absurd propaganda of second-, third-, and fourth-generation Stalin-worshipping red-diaper babies, 1960’s SDS acid-heads-turned-neocons, and BLM mega-grifters.

    Forget about such quaint notions as “civil rights” for whites. Whites and their children can be summarily stripped of the essentials of citizenship, and totally destroyed, for simply having the wrong opinions.

    These same DoD leaders also have warmed up to the idea of “mosaic” warfare.

    https://warontherocks.com/2019/12/mosaic-warfare-small-and-scalable-are-beautiful/

    Mosaic warfare. Hmmm … a term open to varied interpretations.

  49. The “Do Whites Have Civil Rights?” is in a comment on James Kunstler’s site. This article is really old, but, he really has some good articles.

  50. @guest007
    Maybe the first question is what is everyone discussing when mentioning civil rights. Can whites vote, can whites publish, can whites practice their religion. Have whites been prevented in the past (yes in many cases)? Are white prevented from practicing any form of civil action in the present?

    What many of the posters seem to be saying is that whites have zero special rights based upon being white but that blacks have special rights such as affirmative action, set asides, quotas that whites do not have.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    What many of the posters seem to be saying is that whites have zero special rights based upon being white but that blacks have special rights such as affirmative action, set asides, quotas that whites do not have.

    Nope, it doesn’t work like that. Any “special right” by nature destroys the natural rights of the non-special people that had been enforced by the US Constitution.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Achmed E. Newman

    How has affirmative action or set asides destroyed white's free speech, freedom of the press, right to a jury trial, right to vote, right of free movement, right of association, right to petition the government?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  51. @Dieter Kief
    @Bill P


    It would be like asking whether Satan shares in God’s grace or something like that. Philosophically I suppose that would be an interesting question, but to your average person, it does not compute.
     
    I think theologically this question is rather clear and the answer is: Yes, Satan too is part of God's creation.

    Philosophically the best answer I know of comes from a Kantian philosopher from Nürnberg, a man who met Kant adored him: Johann Benjamin Erhard. His treatise concerning the devil is called: Apology of the Devil . Erhard argues, that the devil embodies (a kind of) reason (logic), so to speak, but not - grace, and relatedness and Belonging (Jan Gabarek & Keith Jarrett with Palle Danielsson and - John Christensen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVVkdgZVXzY

    Replies: @Bill P

    Thanks, Dieter, for finishing my thought. I appreciate it.

  52. @Bill P
    It's a weird question to most because, in their conception of it, the "Civil Rights Movement" is against straight white Christian males, who are the enemy. It would be like asking whether Satan shares in God's grace or something like that. Philosophically I suppose that would be an interesting question, but to your average person it does not compute.

    In any case rights aren't something people give you for nothing. You have to take them or pay for them in some manner. They are like a form of wealth.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dieter Kief, @bomag

    In any case rights aren’t something people give you for nothing. You have to take them or pay for them in some manner.

    Dunno. Our Congress hands them out like candy to various minorities and migrants; who then use them like a scrip to gather goodies for themselves.

  53. @Hangnail Hans
    @Anon

    Coincidentally or otherwise, the 1950s were a time of relative peace and vastly increasing prosperity, not to mention widespread civility.

    So widespread was this civility that hardly anyone felt it worthy of notice, much less study. It was just assumed to be the natural order of life in an advanced society.

    The 2000s, on the other hand, are nearly the opposite in every regard, and rapidly getting worse. Such fun for everyone.

    Replies: @L in Atl hell

    Isn’t it interesting that the group of people that most loudly demand their “civil rights”- are the most UNcivil behaving people out there??

  54. @Achmed E. Newman
    @guest007


    What many of the posters seem to be saying is that whites have zero special rights based upon being white but that blacks have special rights such as affirmative action, set asides, quotas that whites do not have.
     
    Nope, it doesn't work like that. Any "special right" by nature destroys the natural rights of the non-special people that had been enforced by the US Constitution.

    Replies: @guest007

    How has affirmative action or set asides destroyed white’s free speech, freedom of the press, right to a jury trial, right to vote, right of free movement, right of association, right to petition the government?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @guest007

    Guest-007, it has destroyed the freedom of association of the employer. It has destroyed the privacy rights of the employer of Amendment IV. It is against Amendment X completely, which was written as a hard stop to limit the power of the Feral Government.

    (I'm probably missing a few. Sorry.)

  55. @guest007
    @Achmed E. Newman

    How has affirmative action or set asides destroyed white's free speech, freedom of the press, right to a jury trial, right to vote, right of free movement, right of association, right to petition the government?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Guest-007, it has destroyed the freedom of association of the employer. It has destroyed the privacy rights of the employer of Amendment IV. It is against Amendment X completely, which was written as a hard stop to limit the power of the Feral Government.

    (I’m probably missing a few. Sorry.)

  56. @Anon
    @Rahan


    to the extent of being OK with exterminating Slavs proper in order to prove once and for all their inherent cosmic purity of Germanness.
     
    Myth. There was never an “extermination” sentiment, plan, or act.

    Replies: @Rahan

    Myth. There was never an “extermination” sentiment, plan, or act.

  57. An Unasked Question: “Do Whites Have Civil Rights?”

    The latent sentiment seems to be yes – in theory – in order to support the fiction that what they’re doing is in the interests of “equality,” but you’re a goddamned evil lout if you try to practice any of those civil rights.

  58. @Bert
    Not in the minds of many Wokeists:

    https://twitter.com/NYinLA2121/status/1416076908899356679

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Trying to imagine the degree of historical illiteracy of someone who conceives of the Civil War as a one-sided no fuss “ass whooping.”

  59. TG says:

    They do, but only if they are rich enough.

    Mark Zuckerberg has rights. He’s not evil, and in no way responsible for ‘white supremacy’ or systemic racism or anything. He also pays basically zero taxes – and if you object, well, you must be a communist. Desperate third-world refugees don’t get resettled in his vast gated estates. He doesn’t have to pay to resettle all these refugees, or get forced to go to mandatory diversity lectures. He doesn’t get locked out of bidding on government contracts because of his race. And if a bunch of screaming BLM activists camped outside his gates, they would be hustled off faster than he makes his next billion.

    It’s only working-class whites that don’t have civil rights. Got it?

  60. @Rahan
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In hindsight it's not accidental, the shape of Eastern Germany which Stalin snipped off.

    https://infogalactic.com/w/images/thumb/6/6e/Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg/948px-Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg

    They'll always be different. The dirty little secret of Prussia is that they were always Balt and Slav mongrels larping as pure Germans, to the extent of considering themselves as the super-duper-only-real-Germans, because of course, to the extent of being OK with exterminating Slavs proper in order to prove once and for all their inherent cosmic purity of Germanness.

    Unstable chaps, much closer, in spite of everything, to Eastern Europe in spirit, than to Danes, Swedes, Westphalians, or Rhinelanders. A "trojan horse" in a way, not unlike if Austria and Hungary fused again, and Hungary counted as "part of Austria", politically.

    But no, no civil war. Revolutions--yes. Could be.

    Replies: @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @Peter Akuleyev

    The dirty little secret of Prussia is that they were always Balt and Slav mongrels larping as pure Germans

    Not at all. The “Prussians” in East Prussia were mostly descended from German immigrants from Brandenburg and Saxony, which are firmly German on your map. Their ancestors colonized the Baltic coast in the Middle Ages, Christianizing the natives at sword point and building trade outposts in the middle of Baltic and Slav farmers and woodsmen, trade outposts that eventually grew into towns and formed the Hanseatic league.

    And even those Prussians were a minority inside the German nation known as “Prussia”, which was never really “Prussian” at all. Its historical core was Brandenburg (where Berlin is). The Hohenzollerns later called their collection of lands “Prussia” only because they were allowed to call themselves “Kings in Prussia” after they acquired that land in the 17the century. Because Brandenburg was inside the Holy Roman Empire, the Hohenzollerns could never be “Kings” of their own original territory but were forced to remain “Margraves”. So the use of “Prussia” was a PR move.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Robert Bartlett's "The Making of Europe" is a good general introduction to this period of history. (It also covers the contemporaneous migrations of Christians into Iberia and of the the English into Wales and Ireland.)

  61. @Anon
    OT

    A little off topic, but Mark Perry, professor of economics at the University of Michigan-Flint, has been filing dozens and dozens of complaints against university programs and practices, mostly at colleges not his own, that discriminate against men. There is nothing too trivial for this guy. Various women-only break rooms have met their end because of him. He has virtually distroyed the "You go girl!" genre of university-sponsored learn-to-code-for-girls programs. They end up having to change their requirements to allow males, and then he's back at them complaining that the photos only include females and the language sort of passive-aggressively implies the programs are for girls, and he demands all this promotional shit be redone from scratch. There are a lot of scholarship programs that have had to open up because of him.

    He's an example of how you can sort of automate this stuff. Once you get your head around the laws for federally supported programs you can write up some boilerplate and send it out without much work.

    Here he is branching out, going after a BIPOC-only 10-day rap music business course


    Perry filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Education over a 10-day music business course that will be hosted and taught by rap star IDK.

    In his complaint, Perry argued, “This program discriminates on the basis of skin color by operating exclusively for BIPOC individuals only and illegally excluding and discriminating against non-BIPOC individuals on the basis of skin color.”

    Perry told Campus Reform, “In some cases like this, a university might claim that they are merely renting space on its campus to a discriminatory group or program, but they are not affiliated with the program or endorsing it,” Perry told Campus Reform.

    “In this case, I don’t think Harvard can make that claim as I tried to emphasize in my complaint. Harvard should be considered a partner because the program name is ‘No Label Academy at Harvard’ and a Harvard faculty member is serving as an adviser to the program.”

    https://www.tampafp.com/michigan-professor-lashes-out-at-harvards-liberal-policies-that-violate-federal-civil-rights-laws/
     

    In a lot of cases I think that excluded groups (men or whites) still are excluded. I think most guys would be self conscious about hanging out in a break room that seems to be all chicks, or that they know previously was for women only until "some asshole complained." It's not hard for women or blacks to intimidate white men by simply rolling their eyes. Still, it's a start.

    Another guy who does this is Professor Kursat Christoff Pekgoz.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/379501643/Guide-to-Abolishing-Affirmative-Action-for-Women-Christoff-s-Dear-Colleague-Letter

    Replies: @L in Atl hell

    Both of those men, Pekgoz and Perry, are my heroes!! Hopefully these ripples will turn into a riptide!!

  62. For your searches on the topic, try “StartPage.com” or other search engines that are based outside of the USA.

    They might not be geared to the same distortions as Google, Yahoo, Bing, DDG. Not guaranteed however.

  63. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    @Rahan

    The dirty little secret of Prussia is that they were always Balt and Slav mongrels larping as pure Germans

    Not at all. The "Prussians" in East Prussia were mostly descended from German immigrants from Brandenburg and Saxony, which are firmly German on your map. Their ancestors colonized the Baltic coast in the Middle Ages, Christianizing the natives at sword point and building trade outposts in the middle of Baltic and Slav farmers and woodsmen, trade outposts that eventually grew into towns and formed the Hanseatic league.

    And even those Prussians were a minority inside the German nation known as "Prussia", which was never really "Prussian" at all. Its historical core was Brandenburg (where Berlin is). The Hohenzollerns later called their collection of lands "Prussia" only because they were allowed to call themselves "Kings in Prussia" after they acquired that land in the 17the century. Because Brandenburg was inside the Holy Roman Empire, the Hohenzollerns could never be "Kings" of their own original territory but were forced to remain "Margraves". So the use of "Prussia" was a PR move.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Robert Bartlett’s “The Making of Europe” is a good general introduction to this period of history. (It also covers the contemporaneous migrations of Christians into Iberia and of the the English into Wales and Ireland.)

  64. @Desiderius
    @Dieter Kief

    Too far?

    The problem isn't so much the degree as the kind and the kind has been there now for a good long time.

    Evanston is Northwestern which yearns to be at the head of a global polity rather than the tail of a national one. Global polities need deracinated leaders (in their minds) so they start the process early.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Evanston is Northwestern which yearns to be at the head of a global polity rather than the tail of a national one. Global polities need deracinated leaders (in their minds) so they start the process early.

    They do. But what they now feel obliged to is so blatantly a-human, that – that it makes me feel sad in a way stories about North Korea make me feel sad.
    I run into anywhere here and there and what strikes me rather frightening about them is, that they – appear to be hollow. – Always busy trying to be pleasant and – acknowledged. When they meet, they bore themselves to death not least because the conversation is in English and most of them talk it so-la-la. Lots of nice-looking and behaving Asian wives, who resist learning German, for example, and live in Zürich the same way they used to live in Hong Kong and before that in Tokio or Lagos, or Los Angeles…

    If I compare Alex Jones to them – a strange choice, I admit – but still: I think he is more real than they are. and definitely more interesting.

    Most real lately the young TGP pundit ex real-estate agent turned reporter about the forensic audit in Arizona Jordan Conradson. Conradson about the voter fraud in 2020: Crime of the Century!

    https://news-block.com/tgps-jordan-conradson-joins-alex-jones-in-discussing-arizonas-audit-hearing-video/

  65. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Dieter Kief


    No, no civil war. People are too busy watching the news and be scared of the rain! – 116 or so died this weekend because it rained hard and all the climate-change activists had prepared for Sahara-heat – and now was 15 degrees celsius in the Black Forest last week and people were shocked about a summer rain (something quite usual in Germany, but people lose contact with their local surroundings because they are always on a cruise ship in the Caribean or returning from their house in Fuerteventura or planning to visit their friends in Zimbabwe – constantly…

     

    Are you guys seeing a lot of flooding in your town?

    https://twitter.com/AnthonyQuintano/status/1415855394631606273

    Plus people are very peaceful and – sensitive throughout.
     
    Volga Deutsch might be different.

    Here's an interesting documentary about some Eastern Euro Germans who settled in America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vbKf9vyB9E

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Lovely! – Thanks. And yes – the Volga-Deutsche are different. The times-they-are-a changing!

  66. Nope. Whites are not a “protected class”.
    They are not inferior or stupid enough to have the need for government nannies.

    This in and of itself causes spite from the goobermint.
    Self sufficient and sovereign citizens need not apply.

    A “protected class” has to be a supremely worthless and unfit creature.
    Needy Mommy Goobermint to “help” them.

    Civil Rights violates its own “principles”, as if the goobermint had any of those.
    Government makes a poor servant and a fearsome master, somebody said.

    The poor unable, stupid, unwashed and needy cretin is a “protected class”.
    A worthless creature, with no real skills, and no future without goobermint.

    Perhaps just a useful idiot, voting for slavery and fake rights.
    Denying Life, Liberty and Property out of spite.

    Supporters of abortion, authoritarianism and “public” ownership.
    Useful idiots for the Marxists to easily exploit and use.

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