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Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings:

If there are more killed than wounded, then the shooter is likely white, Asian, or otherwise not black.

If there are more wounded than killed, then the shooter (or often shooters) is likely black.

But what if the crowd appears to be mostly white, as in last night’s St. Paul shooting of 15?

From the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

One killed, 14 wounded in shooting inside St. Paul bar early Sunday

St. Paul police say they’ve arrested three men who were injured and taken to area hospitals.

By Kim Hyatt Star Tribune OCTOBER 10, 2021 — 5:15PM

DJ Peter Parker knows how to read the room from a bird’s-eye view on stage to anticipate any trouble from crowds, after two decades of shows spanning Baltimore, DC, Boston and beyond.

But the former GO 95.3 radio host

GO 95.3 describes its music as “modern hip-hop [black] and modern alternative [white]).” The DJ is white. The bar’s website video shows mostly white patrons.

Here’s a picture of the dance floor about 10 minutes before the shooting:

could have never anticipated a show in St. Paul would turn so violent he’d have to dive offstage to avoid gunfire in the city’s largest mass shooting in recent history, killing one woman and injuring at least 14.

“I’ve never had anybody shoot inside a party ever, especially in a place we felt was a very safe place,” said Parker.

Like every Saturday night for the past four months, Parker was playing mainstream hip-hop to a college crowd of mostly young women at the Seventh Street Truck Park, a busy bar and restaurant a block south of Xcel Energy Center.

The bar’s schtick is that it’s for young people who like food trucks, but, being cold in St. Paul much of the year, the food trucks are inside!

Around 12:15 a.m., Parker said a dozen or so gunshots rang out. The crowd hit the ground and Parker cut the music only to hear everyone screaming. He said he didn’t see a scuffle or altercation leading up to the shooting.

Within seconds, the crowd ran outside of the bar and he saw several people on the floor, including a woman in her 20s who was killed. “My heart is broken for the girl who died,” said Parker.

Police confirmed the victim’s name as Marquisha Wiley. The Pioneer Press reports the 27-year-old was a veterinary technician from St. Paul. Her death is the 32nd homicide in St. Paul this year. In 2020, the city matched its one-year record with 34 homicides, the same number as 1992.

Did anything in the news happen in the Twin Cities in 2020 that might have encouraged this tsunami of murder? Maybe Trump said something? Or Systemic Racism?

St. Paul Police say among the wounded were three suspects who were arrested Sunday afternoon. The men, ages 33, 32 and 29, were taken to area hospitals for treatment before being apprehended.

Any bets on the race(s) of the various shooters?

The Star Tribune does not typically name suspects until they are formally charged.

It gets in the way of us editorializing how “gun violence descended.”

On a Sunday morning walk with her labradoodle Shiloh, Amber Remackel [white lady] was so overcome with emotion that she sat across the street from the Truck Park at a table outside Cossetta’s Italian Market & Pizzeria and wept. The mother and school counselor said she’s lived in the neighborhood for the past six years and has never seen such violence.

“It’s way too close to home,” she said, wiping away tears.

Remackel said she just picked up her 21-year-old daughter and a group of Iowa State University friends on Friday night from the Truck Park. “It’s a fun place to be in St. Paul,” she said of the bar, which is always packed on weekends.

Other witnesses interviewed in other news stories include Jake Knutson who lives above the bar.

“I walk this neighborhood at all times of the night with my dog and never felt unsafe,” she said.

Police spokesman Steve Linders said he was not aware of any recent calls for police service to the Truck Park. He said the department’s video team is recovering and reviewing security footage from the bar. He wouldn’t say how many guns were recovered from the scene.

Truck Park is part of a popular restaurant and bar district along West Seventh Street, home to longtime restaurants and bars such as Cossetta, Mancini’s Char House and Patrick McGovern’s Pub. In recent years, the neighborhood has been in the midst of a building boom, with several upscale apartment and condo buildings sprouting up, along with new breweries, restaurants and bars, like the Truck Park.

“It’s just not on our radar as a spot where we see this type of thing,” Linders said. “We don’t see this type of thing anywhere.”

… He said he and other business owners in the area link the uptick on the Freedom House, a homeless shelter a few blocks away from Cossetta.

“Seventh Street has become a lot more dangerous lately,” Cossetta said. “There’s been a lot of issues more than ever and that’s pretty much the way it’s been for over a year. I don’t know the circumstances across the street but it’s been a common theme lately.”

Cossetta said there have been confrontations outside his restaurant and he said guys have pulled knives on people in broad daylight. “It’s scary,” he said. “There’s stuff going on in the day. In the nighttime it only accelerates.”

He said city officials have not listened to local business owners’ concerns about the recent wave in criminal activity.

Molly Jalma, executive director of the Listening House, which operates the Freedom House in the former fire station on West Seventh Street, said she spoke with the shelter’s off-duty police officer who worked Saturday night and said Freedom House guests had no involvement with the shooting.

“This wasn’t an issue of people who are unsheltered,” she said. “This is an issue of gun violence.”

Which descends.

Linders said his partner in the department for 15 years “can’t remember anything like this in her tenure.”

“We have a very busy bar, a lot of people just enjoying themselves and then we had a few individuals who decided to pull out guns and pull the trigger indiscriminately, with no regard for human life,” said Linders. “It’s nothing short of a tragedy.”

From PublicPoliceRecord.com:

I didn’t find a picture of the third arrestee that I felt total confidence in.

 
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  1. This is a popular pre/post game area for ice hockey (NHL) fans.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  2. anon215 says:

    Wow… “Hoffman” sure sounds German. Those damn Nazis!

  3. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    Guy doesn’t look like a Hoffman to me.

  4. DeVondre? Too late to make a prediction?

    • Agree: bomag
    • LOL: Carol, Yancey Ward, Mr Mox
  5. Daniel H says:

    Vindicated.

    Despite the head fake – what with the trendy bar in the white, hip district – the social inertia of Sailer’s law is hard to defy.

  6. @Jack Armstrong

    The hockey fans just need to watch out for the black ice, or should I say, blacks icing some random bystander.

    What a fucking waste of that woman’s life.

    • Replies: @restless94110
    , @SMK
  7. Trelane says:

    I love these old Iowa State University rivalries at the food truck.

  8. I mean…Devondre. Are we really unsure of the race of someone named Devondre?

  9. Trelane says:
    @Half Canadian

    I predict he’s Kerguelen Islander and bet \$10.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  10. Minnesota masochists …

    Molly Jalma, executive director of the Listening House, which operates the Freedom House in the former fire station on West Seventh Street, said she spoke with the shelter’s off-duty police officer who worked Saturday night and said Freedom House guests had no involvement with the shooting.

    https://mnhomelessconference.files.wordpress.com/2021/07/molly-jalma-1.jpg?w=300

    Molly Jalma is the Executive Director for Listening House of St. Paul, a two-location day shelter and drop-in center for people experiencing homelessness and/or in need of services and supports. Molly has an extensive history in housing and services for individuals and families. With a Master’s in Nonprofit Management, Molly is an experienced business leader with specialized focus in change management.

    Breakout Session: From NIMBY to YIMBY, Yes in My Backyard!

    https://mnhomelessconference.org/schedules-and-speakers/presenters/

  11. Kylie says:

    Sorry about the vet tech.

    Otherwise I don’t gaf.

    • Agree: fish
  12. that poor black woman–will there be a statue for her in Union Square in Manhattan, de Blasio, you feckless low-IQ pussy?

  13. GO 95.3 describes its music as “modern hip-hop [black] and modern alternative [white]).” The DJ is white. The bar’s website video shows mostly white patrons.

    Hip-hop is very popular among white youth. Depressingly so.

    The other dead giveaway is “three assailants”. Blacks have unity, whites have disunity … in everything … even in crimes. When it’s a white perp, its usually a “lone gunman”.

  14. Richard B says:
    @anon215

    Wow… “Hoffman” sure sounds German. Those damn Nazis!

    Yeah. Like Abbie Hoffman, or Dustin Hoffman. Those damn AshkeNazis!

    • LOL: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  15. Jack D says:

    I didn’t find a picture of the third arrestee that I felt total confidence in.

    I would be willing to bet my house that De’vondre Trevon Phillips is black.

  16. St. Paul police say they’ve arrested three men who were injured and taken to area hospitals.

    I’d like to know how it came to pass that the (alleged, of course!) shooters were injured. Was it the result of incompetent handling of their firearms? Were they shooting at other thugs who shot back? Did an armed citizen shoot them to prevent additional casualties? Were they subject to righteous beatdowns from patrons of Truck Park?

  17. Wait for it…

    Like our mass shootin’ around here — way back in the Obama years.

    This area is only 0.3% black.

    Guess the race of the shooter.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  18. It could have been worse, the two felons could have been in prison, which is apparently worse than 15 people getting shot.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  19. “Unsheltered”. That’s a new one.

    Yes, I’ve been unsheltered in the city before. Waitin’ on the bus all day … nothing but a steel sign on a pole.

    I’m gonna go ahead and pull a quick Pat Harrigan on y’all:

    (The first tune is not really that great, but you’ve gotta stay for Jesus Done Left Chicago, and he’s bound for New Orleans, and YES, these must be played together.)

  20. In the US, few whites are named Lorenzo or Orlando. Seems as though blacks are going with the Italian/Hispanic style names these days.

  21. Any bets on the race(s) of the various shooters?

    Without looking i’m going to go with black.

    There are a bunch of “tells”. This sounds like a district that isn’t specifically black, ergo being Minneapolis is mostly white. But is open to all–i.e. integrated. (No doubt, black guys go there to see if they can score a drunk white chick.) The letting it loose at a party in the middle of a crowd at someone you’re pissed at. That’s a black thing.

    BTW, this shooting has generated a bunch of hospital visits, lots of insurance billing, extra money for surgeons, some surgical supply restocking; there’s some cleanup and repair work the bar will require; then there will a lot of extra legal work and billable hours for the goons responsible; and of course this unfortunate young woman’s funeral expenses.

    So it’s exactly like Moody Analytics said: integration really does generate economic growth.

  22. @Trelane

    DeVondre? Too late to make a prediction? –Half Canadian

    I predict he’s Kerguelen Islander and bet \$10.

    I was going to say there’s a world of difference between the Kerguelens and St Paul, but the antipodes are actually closer to Lethbridge or Medicine Hat. Still, Steve is right to say it’s cold most of the year in St Paul– Minnesota’s capital enjoys a colder January than eight of the ten provincial capitals.

    https://www.antipodesmap.com/

  23. @Father Coughlin

    is it really “popular”? I wonder–I suspect lots of these scaredy cat youths are afraid of saying the obvious: hip hop sounds like jungle music

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @Truth
  24. You have to wonder how many serious incidents are going unreported. Around five this evening I saw about ten cop cars with lights flashing and sirens blaring racing through a busy intersection. So far, not a peep from any local news source.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  25. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    I didn’t find a picture of the third arrestee that I felt total confidence in.

    Majority of Devondres in Bing image searches are mug shots, looking exactly how one expects.

  26. Sheriff Bob Fletcher ride along:

    “Quite the gathering here at the Truck Park.”
    “Yes it is.”
    “Lotta people. Ho-ly mackerel.”
    “This is a lot of folks…”
    “We’ve never had any shots fired right here. I hope we never do, but—
    “Yeah, definitely—”
    “With this volume, at some point it’s gonna happen, right? It’s become a very popular place.”
    “I think it’s good we’re here, don’t you think?”
    “Yup. Especially the way there’s… the atmosphere, is—”
    “—is a lotta people here… A lotta people.”

    The word clientele comes to mind.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  27. Herzog says:
    @anon215

    As a German, I bow my had in contrition.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  28. This is a block from the NHL arena. I thought the “Minnesota Wild” was a stupid name for the team, but now it seems appropriate. Besides Cossetta’s, which has a nice Italian bakery, there is also a pub called the Liffey. In a city of way too many hole-in-the-wall dives with McThis and McThat in the name, the reference to an obscure (to Americans) Irish river was the only way to establish authenticity.

    Speaking of which, Americans have no idea how much we are the victims of cultural appropriation, and badly done.

    “In Colombia, we have ‘American-style hot dogs’ which are enormous hot dogs with a chorizo wiener, topped with melted cheese, crumbled potato chips, various sauces, and quail eggs… You can’t believe how disappointed I was when I tried an actual hot dog in the USA.”

    “My friend was doing graduate work in Poland and went out to eat and saw ‘American pizza’ on the menu. When she ordered it, it came out as a plain cheese pizza and the guy brought a can of creamed corn and poured it directly onto the pizza right there at the table!”

    “In Brazil, they sell allegedly ‘California-style’ pizza with pineapple, figs, plums, and those bright red cherries they sell in cans.” [Sic. I’ve only seen them in glass jars. Maybe in Canada…?]

    More such atrocities below:

    [MORE]

  29. JMcG says:

    Ireland has pizza topped with tuna and sweet corn. I wish I were kidding.

  30. Farenheit says:

    Once again John Derbyshire’s rules from “the talk, non black version” apply.

    In this case, I believe rule 10d and 10e apply.

    • Agree: Wade Hampton
  31. @Father Coughlin

    Hip-hop is very popular among white youth. Depressingly so.

    Ironically when Blacks move into an area you see less hip hop at the bars.

    If you go to a 15-20% Black city you will notice that the downtown bars are not playing hip hop.

    What you will see are game day type bars where they want to sell \$9 bloody marys to White people going to a sports event.

    If you see a bar promoting some type of hip hop concert then you know it is a new owner because it isn’t going to last. Some athlete funds a hip hop bar and then learns why there aren’t any hip hop bars.

    I remember working downtown and seeing a promotion for a thug rap concert. That is really the dumbest thing you can do. But once in a while some clueless promoter tries it anyways.

    Strip bars can have the same problem. Too many Blacks and you get shootings in the parking lot.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
  32. Perhaps Jeffrey Hoffman is an adoptee

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  33. cityview says:

    This sounds something like Chicago’s Wicker Park, where there was an outdoor shooting last night. I know nothing about St. Paul–I wonder what the history of the neighborhood is?

    • Replies: @europeasant
    , @Ganderson
  34. I maintain, much to the chagrin of the Missus, the problem is not too many guns. The problem is not enough guns in the right neighborhoods. If a cross-section of the population wishes to kill each other, so be it.

  35. Feryl says:
    @Father Coughlin

    It’s tough to say just how popular rap is, given that streaming these days is so heavily emphasized and it’s not as reliable an indicator of popularity as physical media sales once were. It should be noted that there are different kinds of rap, and it’s usually the poppier/dancier stuff that gets lots of play on pop stations. I have noticed that obnoxious blasting of rap from car stereos is actually less common these days than it was in the late 90’s and 2000’s.

    BTW, the local Indy record store has hardly any rap CDs. I just don’t think “pure” rap music has ever been that popular, kinda like how “pure” punk music never sold worth a damn in America, but it’s pop-punk (Green Day) and heavy metal/alternative hard rock(Nirvana, Megadeth, Metallica, The Offspring) variants sold much better. At the end of the day, genres with flat vocals and plodding/thudding amelodic instrumentation such as rap, punk, and death metal are never going to be that popular due to their gruffness. They rise to greater popularity by injecting normie friendly vocal range and melody aka pop elements.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @bomag
    , @S. Anonyia
  36. @AnotherDad

    ergo being Minneapolis

    Only in the same way that Macau is Hong Kong, Juarez is El Paso, Fort Worth is Dallas, and Tacoma is Seattle. And Seattle is Vancouver.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  37. DJ Peter Parker knows how to read the room ..

    Poor Spidy-sense with this guy.

    Police spokesman Steve Linders

    How many spokespeople (disinformation specialists) does the government employ? It seems like every gov bureaucracy has one; and many lawyers to advise him. Yet the number of Freedom of Information requests, and the extent of redactions on the ones ultimately (and begrudgingly) satisfied, are higher than ever.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Fred C Dobbs
  38. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Yup. Especially the way there’s… the atmosphere, is—”
    “—is a lotta people here… A lotta people.”

    It’s the new Ruggeri’s. Nobody goes there anymore– it’s too crowded.

    Note that it’s just up West Seventh Street from Shamrock’s and the White Squirrel, where last month those four people were rounded up, shot and packed into a car (not sure in which order), and left, along with the car, in a Wisconsin cornfield some 80 miles away.

    Saint Paul likes to do everything differently from Minneapolis, whether it’s a chamber orchestra, a winter carnival, a “Little Mekong”, or a mass murder.

    But Minneapolis originated the Juicy Lucy. I’ll give them that much.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  39. @Reg Cæsar

    Holy cow, you listed my home town.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  40. Since it’s OK to rape the second amendment and disarm whites miles away who had nothing to do with it, it will be ok to say “OK, no more second amendment for blacks. Brown skin automatically equals stop and frisk”.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  41. DJ Peter Parker knows how to read the room from a bird’s-eye view…

    Of course he would.

  42. It started when a frat guy asked, “Do you mind if we dance wif yo dates?”

    • LOL: Cortes
  43. @Jack D

    De’vondre Trevon Phillips… could be a white guy from Provo.

    • Replies: @Anon
  44. Freedom of association.

    People need to be able to have their own spaces where they can associate with folks they choose … and not associate with those they do not choose.

    (Note: I realize immigration has made it harder and harder for young people to even just have a decent place to live … but there’s a lot to be said, for socially by just inviting people to your own place.)

  45. bomag says:
    @Feryl

    Agree.

    And no staying power. Does anybody listen to rap more than a year old?

    • Replies: @Feryl
  46. Midnights says:

    Maybe Devondre is a member of former MLB shortstop Khalil Greene’s ‘white dudes with black sounding names’ club?

  47. @Half Canadian

    Holy cow, you listed my home town.

    Cows would be holy to Stampeders.

    Moose Jaw, Broadview, Moosomin too
    Runnin’ back to Saskatoon
    Red Deer, Terrace, Hanna, Medicine Hat
    Sing another prairie tune, sing another prairie tune

    These guys also mocked Annie Hall’s hometown:

    Road food
    Appletown, Appletown, Chippa Chippa Chee Chee
    Road food…

  48. @Steve Sailer

    Maybe Devondre is a member of former MLB shortstop Khalil Greene’s ‘white dudes with black sounding names’ club?

    Reggie Cleveland.

    A while back, a white high schooler in the Pacific Northwest named Keziah– it’s Biblical– and whose surname was English was getting come-ons from all kinds of colleges. Then they were rescinded. I can’t find the story, but here’s another scandal involving a white Keziah:

    American girl wears qipao to prom, gets accused of ‘cultural appropriation’

    As for Khalil, if you can make it to Hawaii, the island as well as the state, Khalil Gibran’s grandnephew will teach you how to build a dome home out of “Aircrete”.

    And Reggie Cleveland, native of Swift Current, Sask.?

  49. CCZ says:

    • Thanks: Jim Christian
  50. Polistra says:
    @Colin Wright

    Really, I hate to be that guy, but can you imagine the international media scandal that would ensue if three white gunmen had opened fire in a black club in da hood? Our cities would be in flames just like last year.

    I did search the page for text string “reverse” btw.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  51. Polistra says:
    @Stan Adams

    You have to wonder how many serious incidents are going unreported.

    IME, lots and lots. So long as there aren’t bodies that can’t be spirited off and/or hidden away, the MSM will ignore anything that doesn’t suit their narratives. And sometimes even then: relegated to the back pages.

    Many times I have been uncomfortably near to major incidents of negro violence which never made the news. I learned long ago that editors are very selective about what makes the news. Conspiracy? Naah, more like terminal groupthink.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  52. anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:

    Black people are drawn to nightclubs like moths to a light-bulb.

    Until they started getting shot the white people at this club had no problem with the malevolent hip-hop lyrics being spewed out. Fuck Them.

    It’s all fun and games until actual black people show up and make those lyrics reality.

  53. El Dato says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    DJ Peter Parker knows how to read the room ..

    Every bar needs a guy who can read the room but the bar also needs to be crazy prepared.

    From William Gibson’s “All Tomorrow’s Parties”:

    [MORE]

    ‘You help him with these problems? You help him by holding a weapon for him, Mr. Fontaine? Something he wouldn’t want to keep on his own premises?’

    Fontaine looked at Rydell. Pursed his lips. Nodded.

    ‘Where is it?’

    ‘It’s in the wall, behind us.’

    Rydell looked at the wall between them. ‘This is plywood?’

    ‘Most of it,’ Fontaine said, swinging around, ‘See here? This part’s a patch, gypsum wall filler. We built a box in here, put it in, plastered it over, painted.’

    ‘Guess someone could find it with a metal detector,’ Rydell said, remembering being trained how to search for stashes like this.

    ‘I don’t think it has a lot of metal in it,’ Fontaine said, ‘anyway not in the delivery system.’

    ‘Can we see it?’

    ‘Well,’ said Fontaine, ‘once we get it out, I’m stuck with it.’

    ‘No,’ Rydell said, ‘I am.’

    Fontaine produced a little bone-handled pocketknife. Opened it, started digging gingerly at the wall.

    ‘We could get a bigger knife,’ Rydell suggested.

    ‘Hush,’ Fontaine said. As Rydell watched, the point of the knife exposed a dark ring, the size you’d wear on your finger. Fontaine pried it up and out of the hardened plaster, but it seemed to be fastened to something. ‘You pull this, okay?’

    Rydell slid his middle finger through the ring, tugged it a little. Felt solid.

    ‘Go on,’ Fontaine said. ‘Hard.’

    Plaster cracked, tore loose, as the fine steel wire attached to the ring pulled out around the patch, cutting through it like dry cheese. A rough, inch-thick rectangle coming away in Rydell’s hand. Fontaine was pulling something out of the rectangular recess that had been exposed. Something wrapped in what looked like an old green shirt.

    Rydell watched as Fontaine gingerly unwrapped the green cloth, exposing a squat heavy object that looked like a cross between the square waxed-paper milk cartons of Rydell’s childhood and an industrial power drill. It was a uniform, dusty olive-green in color, and if it was in fact a firearm, it was the clumsiest-looking firearm Rydell had yet seen. Fontaine held it with what would’ve been the top of the milk carton pointed up at an angle, toward the ceiling.

    There was an awkward-looking pistol grip at the opposite end, and a sort of grooved,
    broom-handle affair about six inches in front of that.

    ‘What is it?’ Rydell asked.

    ‘Chain gun,’ Fontaine said. ‘Disposable. Can’t reload it. Caseless: this long square thing’s the cartridges and the barrel in one. No-moving parts to it: ignition’s electrical. Two buttons here, where the trigger would be, you just point it, press ’em both the same time. It’ll do that four times. Four charges.’

    ‘Why do they call it a chain gun?’

    ‘What this is, Martial says, it’s more like a directional grenade, you understand? Or sort of like a portable fragmentation mine. Main thing he told me is you don’t use it in any kind of confined space, and you only use it when there’s nobody in front of you you don’t mind seeing get really fucked up.’

    ‘So what’s the chain part?’

    Fontaine reached over and tapped the fat square barrel lightly, once, with his forefinger. ‘In here. Thing’s packed with four hundred two-foot lengths of super-fine steel chain, sharp as razor wire.’

    Rydell hefted the thing by its two grips, keeping his fingers away from those buttons. ‘And that-‘

    ‘Makes hamburger,’ Fontaine said.

  54. I see that deceased victim was a veterinary technician. Too bad her killers missed their Dawg Whisperer appointments with her the day before. They must have hit their EBT cards for a \$50.00 missed appointment fee down at deh clinic.

  55. El Dato says:
    @Herzog

    Hat. Your hat.

    It’s okay. The Luistania troll was masterful, I don’t think anybody could have resisted.

  56. J.Ross says:

    Three shooters, apparently working together, braindead white urban trendies with noses in Apple products = attempted robbery? Do the food trucks each have separate cash registers?

  57. @JerseyJeffersonian

    Um, one of the few blacks in the club was shot dead by three black men who came into the club to shoot her.

    That doesn’t look random to me. They got who they were gunning for. Blacks my be sloppy but it makes little sense that the deceased was just some random victim in this matter.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
  58. @Hateful Hornytoad

    Still, his middle name is Trevon… oh wait. Never mind.

  59. @anon215

    The middle name Orlando is the give away.

  60. Arclight says:

    The only potential upside to the decreasing share of the white population and increase in Latinos and Asians will be accompanying decline in white guilt in public policy.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  61. Dan says:

    Not directly related to the shooting but worth mentioning: Ramsey County Attorney just announced new policy of not stopping cars with expired plates, equipment violations and tinted glass. Giving a green light to thugs who wish to drive around armed. St Paul PD is already hamstrung. Bob Fletcher, the cop doing the voice over, is County Sheriff and very old school.

  62. Escher says:

    Lorenzo, Devondre and Orlando in their names.
    I think we have pretty good odds on the race of the suspects even without looking at their mugshots.

  63. Kylie says:
    @Meretricious

    “is it [hip hop] really ‘popular’? I wonder–I suspect lots of these scaredy cat youths are afraid of saying the obvious: hip hop sounds like jungle music”

    With all due respect, I think you’re underestimating how much our culture–especially among teens–has devolved. I suspect a lot of white teens genuinely like hip hop. White leftists glorify black culture. Blacks in the music industry are routinely referred to as “artists”.

    It’d be great if white teens were just pretending to like hip hop. But no, I think they are true believers. Sad and scary.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  64. Jeffrey Orlando Hoffman is obviously a bastard son of Dustin, sired during the shooting of a movie back in the 90s, when his career was still going great guns.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  65. @AnotherDad

    Any bets on the race(s) of the various shooters?

    Without looking i’m going to go with black.

    No, no, no… This is classic Norwegian Bachelor Farmer behavior, especially during an outbreak of virus.

  66. @cityview

    Fox channel 32 reported that “offenders fired shots from a dark-colored vehicle”. As far as the description of who the perps were the police said “Him(they) look like a man”. That’s the best that the detectives could do under the circumstances.

  67. Wondering about the ridiculous high wounded vs fatality results of these shootings. Maybe the shooters cap their intended victim and then shoot wildly at the feet of the crowd to create chaos, resulting in numerous victims with leg injuries.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
  68. @anonymous

    Like every Saturday night for the past four months, Parker was playing mainstream hip-hop to a college crowd of mostly young women…

    …the white people at this club had no problem with the malevolent hip-hop lyrics being spewed out….

    It’s all fun and games…

    Gratuitous Scarlett Johansson spewing malevolent lyrics in little black dress video….

  69. fnn says:

    Wicker Park now, too.

  70. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Mexico

    De’vondre Trevon Phillips… could be a white guy from Provo.

    He was probably just up from Texas. I hear those tourist from Texas cause all sorts of trouble.

  71. Polistra says:

    OT. Jonathan Toebbe. What on earth is this guy’s story?

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/us-news/3831725/jonathan-toebbe-us-navy-nuclear-engineer-espionage/

    Something a bit creepy about both of them.

    Plastic and brick raised ranch with BLM sign. USA 2021.
    What did they do with all the money?
    What country was he spying for?

  72. @Midnights

    I used to watch him play for the Padres. Made me laugh every time he cam up to bat.

  73. @Jack D

    there was a white football player in my majority minority urban highschool who was named Jamal.

  74. Ganderson says:
    @cityview

    West Seventh is a big commercial avenue that runs, essentially, from Downtown St. Paul to the Airport. Growing up in the 60s and 70’s West Seventh had a downscale white people vibe- few if any blacks lived along its course. Since the building of the Xcel Center and the arrival of the NHL’s Wild the part of West Seventh close to downtown has become an entertainment district. I don’t know much about the venue in question, but some of the restaurants and bars have been there a long time; Mancini’s, DeGuidios, and Cosetta’s to name a few.

    In my youth, downtown St.Paul and adjacent areas cleared out at night, mostly- there was a WHA team that played on the same ground as the Wild do- different arena, though. People (mostly young) now live downtown, and the ‘X’ as well as the AAA baseball park, and the Ordway Concert Hall draw people into the central business district. I’d guess few of the patrons of these venues are black.

    It’s sad for me to watch the disintegration of my hometown; the Twin Cities were a great place to grow up- clean, safe, if a tad chilly in the winter. All that is being swept away, while the feckless Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey, and the corrupt “fill city hall with hacks just like an African big man” St. Paul mayor Melvin Carter stand by and watch.

    • Replies: @cityview
    , @Willie
  75. @Feryl

    Rap is legitimately popular among white people under 25. It’s a major difference between zoomers and millennials (who did not truly like rap and only listened to a few rap-pop hits). I wouldn’t say what the young people are listening to has strong pop elements, either….it’s usually described as “mumble rap.”

  76. @Polistra

    I subscribe to the LA Times (1 penny for 6 months, hey why not) and a couple days ago a black dude started shooting people randomly in the street, then entered the Santa Fe Lofts luxury building and took a hostage before police blew him away.

    Eight hours after it happened, the story wasn’t on the Times’ home page–you had to click on the “California” section link and there it was, about the 6th story down. The story itself was pathetic, lacking not only in witness accounts but a lot of basic facts which readers quickly pointed out before editors scrubbed all the comments. There’s been zero follow-up since the shooting.

    Meanwhile, the woke story about the 1971 Pirates fielding an all-black team is still on the home page a month after it first ran.

    Pravda was more honest. I’m beginning to think 1 penny for 6 months means I overpaid.

    • Replies: @Uncle Dan
    , @Currahee
  77. Mr Mox says:

    Any bets on the race(s) of the various shooters?

    When the MSM dogs doesn’t immediately start barking, it’s a safe bet the shooters aren’t white.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
  78. 31 is an advanced age for hot-headed party-scene shooters.

    And of course they were black. White mass shooters are loners working alone. Three white guys with guns would be some kind of commando raid or hostage rescue.

  79. Culture clash again. Black woman on plane decides white guy’s vintage camera is a bomb. Gets him taken down on the tarmac as a terrorist after emergency landing at LaGuardia.

    Can you imagine if this went the other way? It’s that privilege thing again. Sorry, no \$100 million settlement on the way.

  80. NYC thug Jermaine Foster solved the poor marksmanship dilemma —

    A nurse visiting Manhattan has died after a mugger shoved her to the ground during a Times Square crime spree and her head slammed against the pavement, police said Sunday. …

  81. @anonymous

    It’s all fun and games until actual black people show up and make those lyrics reality.

    Before I heard of iSteve, when I was still a naïve liberal, I came face to face with a hint of reality. My 10-year-old had been invited to a birthday party at a roller rink in Milpitas, CA. Milpitas was (still is) a mostly Vietnamese, Indian and Mexican town that’s prosperous and feels safe. But that night, pulling up to the roller rink, I was surprised to see a stern notice that said you can’t come back in once you’ve gone out the door. I was puzzled. Then inside I saw there were lots of blacks (skating around as they sort of danced).

    It was some years before I put one and one — the no-coming-back-in policy, and the heavy black presence — together. The roller rink operators must have been familiar with the black folk custom of coming back armed after you’ve been dissed.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Barnard
    , @El Dato
  82. Ganderson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Growing up in St. Paul, (born 1954), Minneapolis might as well have been a foreign country- the only place we went in Minneapolis was the Dairy Queen on East Lake Street that was a short bike ride across the Lake Street Bridge for us. The cities had distinct identities- Minneapolis, Scandinavian and Lutheran, and St. Paul Irish and German Catholic- generalizations of course, but largely true. St. Paul also had a bit of an inferiority complex vis-a-vis it’s bigger Twin.

    The arrival of the Twins, Vikings, (and a few years later) the North Stars began the “metropolitanization” of the Twin Cities.

    Another Dad, you’re excused for mixing the two cities, as a St. Paul Catholic boy I’m stupidly sensitive about such things.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @AnotherDad
  83. Steve’s law should go more mainstream: We could apply it as laws like Gay-Lussac or Boyle-Mariotte’s law, something empirical without, at first, much of a theory supporting it …

  84. Anon[655] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Before I heard of iSteve, when I was still a naïve liberal, I came face to face with a hint of reality.

    What was your trajectory in (I assume) becoming not a liberal? What caused the change? How long did it take?

  85. Off topic:

    SHOW ME THE MAILBOX MONEY!

    Minnetonka Moccasin Co., the Minneapolis company that over 75 years popularized Native American-styled footwear across the country, issued a formal apology Monday for adopting Native American culture without acknowledgment.

    The company, which dropped “moccasin” from its logo in 2008, has now removed the word from much of its corporate messaging and is calling itself simply Minnetonka.

    “Minnetonka deeply and meaningfully apologizes for having benefited from selling Native-inspired designs without directly honoring Native culture or communities,” the company said in a statement.

    The company said it would work more closely with Native American artists and businesses and continue to contribute to Native American causes.

    “While our history with appropriation has come from a place of ignorance and not maliciousness, the end result was the same — it is not OK,” David Miller, the firm’s chief executive, said in an e-mail response to submitted questions.

    “Once you begin to understand that you’ve participated in appropriation, you cannot go back and therefore going forward in a better way is the only option,” he wrote.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Peterike
    , @Reg Cæsar
  86. @Herp McDerp

    Were they shooting at each other?

  87. Matttt says:

    Three black dudes (2 over 30 years old) go to an overwhelmingly white bar and shoot a black woman. I wonder if this shooting is related to a domestic dispute.

  88. Mr. Grey says:
    @John Johnson

    You could be describing Oakland.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  89. @Herp McDerp

    I assume they were shooting at each other.

    The reason Sailer’s law generally holds is that most black shooters are morons spontaneously shooting at someone who disrespected them and ignoring bystanders.

    • Replies: @Currahee
  90. @Doktor Jeep

    Brown skin automatically equals stop and frisk

    This is why gun control actually works in Europe (in Austria anyway). Liberals don’t like to mention this though.

    • Replies: @Sampan Chakraborty
  91. J1234 says:
    @Half Canadian

    DeVondre? Too late to make a prediction?

    Some black moms give their sons names like DeVondre so that people will know what race they are when they read about them winning a Nobel prize. Other black moms are a little more clued in to reality, giving their sons names like Terry and Jeffrey so that people will be less likely to notice their race when they finally get their 15 minutes of infamy.

  92. Barnard says:
    @International Jew

    It seem unlikely that a young vibrant member of the community would be deterred by a sign informing him he was not allowed reentry if he wanted to shoot someone who dissed him at the roller rink. It probably had more to do with kids getting drunk/high in the parking lot and coming back inside afterwards.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  93. Forbes says:
    @Half Canadian

    The fatal victim was Marquisha Wiley. What are the chances she self-identified as does DeVondre??

  94. Forbes says:
    @Herp McDerp

    What are the chances it was that Chicago import: Mutual Combat??

    And bystanders be bystanders: innocent, of course.

  95. @Steve Sailer

    Buzzfeed published a quiz a number of years ago asking people to guess if a particular name was a Rapper’s Real Name Or Republican Congressman?

    Here’s the quiz:

    Guess whether it’s a government worker or just a government name.

    Posted on Oct 14, 2013

    1. Rodney Alexander
    2. Earl Simmons
    3. Clifford Joseph Harris Jr.
    4. Steve Southerland
    5. Aubrey Graham
    6. Ed Royce
    7. Christopher Bridges
    8. Scott Mescudi
    9. Mac Thornberry
    10. Trey Radel
    11. Thomas Callaway
    12. Leonard Lance
    13. Timothy Thedford
    14. William Drayton Jr.
    15. Michael Grimm

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexnaidus/rappers-real-name-or-republican-congressman

  96. Forbes says:
    @AnotherDad

    So it’s exactly like Moody Analytics said: integration really does generate economic growth.

    Moody’s is apparently ignorant of Fredric Bastiat’s “parable of the broken window” from his 1850 essay That Which We See and That Which We Do Not See (often referred as “the seen and the unseen”) to illustrate why destruction, and the money spent to recover from destruction, is not actually a net benefit to society:

    The parable shows that opportunity costs, and the law of unintended consequences, affect economic activity in ways that are unseen or ignored. The belief that destruction is good for the economy is consequently known as the broken window fallacy or glazier’s fallacy.

    Not to be confused with the “broken windows theory” of policing–which coincidentally arrives at the same conclusion: property destruction is a net cost to society, and should be stemmed by early intervention.

  97. AceDeuce says:
    @Arclight

    Which will be a day late and dollar short, since niggbos and other “of colors” are rapidly taking over in the governmental, news media,and corporate worlds, meaning: Once YT finds his balls again, he’ll be reduced to muttering to himself. BFD.

  98. Currahee says:

    “unshelterd gun violence.”

    Who knows where and when this could occur again. Totally inexplicable.

  99. Just a couple yewts then… nothing to see here.

  100. Anon[957] • Disclaimer says:

    Not quite off-topic:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10080015/Terrifying-video-shows-unwitting-girl-16-STRANGLED-homeless-woman.html

    The homeless woman looks suspiciously like a man. Perhaps Mr Sailer should discern another precept for “woman” and “violent crime”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  101. El Dato says:

    OT: “BBC debunks Ivermectin” debunked as BBC publishes unpublished evidence.

    “The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on COVID have serious errors or signs of potential fraud”

    Various degrees of british snark follow. I suppose Madame Wojicki will “retire” that poor channel soon.

    In the best case incompetence:

    Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid ‘miracle’ drug by Rachel Schraer and Jack Goodman, “BBC Reality Check”.

    Probably has nothing to do with the Merck “charge you multiple times for great justice” pill, which is fortifying.

    In the Real World, there are rumors that Uttar Pradesh has nuked COVID from orbit with Ivermectin.

  102. Currahee says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    For what it’s worth: many years ago when I was in basic training, the older sergeants, veterans of WW2 and Korea, maintained that blacks couldn’t shoot well.

    This was gospel to them for reasons I never could figure except for the fact that they were constantly proven to be correct.

    • Replies: @james wilson
  103. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    This headline caught my eye, so retro:

    A Migrant Appears to Have Been Lynched in South Texas

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/immigrant-lynched-brooks-county/

    Lynching is back?

    Nearly one hundred other migrants’ bodies had been discovered in the county this year, but this one was hanging from a noose that had been fashioned from the remains of a shirt and was tied to a limb on a rugged old oak tree. His head lolled to one side, and his feet were missing, perhaps eaten by coyotes or other animals. Some clothing was found folded nearby. So were identification cards for a Mexican male.

    Brooks County sheriff’s deputies are treating the case as a homicide investigation, while not ruling out the possibility of suicide, and are hoping witnesses will emerge.

    The guy was in his twenties.

    I have a hunch that he may have been done in by other migrants, which is not what the headline wants you to think. In other words, this is a variation of the fake hate crime syndrome.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @Muggles
  104. El Dato says:
    @International Jew

    One could put up a warning sign basically saying “beware the spray & pray”

  105. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    Come on man, bring the whole story:

    “Terrifying moment girl, 16, is STRANGLED from behind by a homeless woman while eating outside NYC sushi restaurant as violent crime in the Big Apple spirals out of control”

    She’s not really strangled, she was put in a semi-friendly chokehold for a couple of seconds, as if the attacker was saying “see what happens if you are absorbed by whatever is on your mobile in a difficult neighborhood child!”.

  106. @Barnard

    As I recall, the outside doors on that place are locked and someone buzzes you in. Yeah, if I had any sense, I would have found an excuse to drive me and my kid right back home.

  107. @Ganderson

    I got familiar with only one of the Twin Cities– that one which lies between 35E and 35W. It was fun, though, to live east, west, and north of the Mississippi all at once.

  108. Anon[944] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Or any guy from the south named Leroy or Devon.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  109. Anon[944] • Disclaimer says:

    It sure puts a tarnish on Indigenous Peoples’ Day! A holiday, not for Indigenous People, but a day for the good whites to lay guilt trips on deplorable bad whites.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  110. Muggles says:
    @Polistra

    Plastic and brick raised ranch with BLM sign. USA 2021.
    What did they do with all the money?
    What country was he spying for?

    Thanks for the photo, which I couldn’t find anywhere else.

    So was he Jewish or what? Maybe just another greedy Anglo.

    Would be funny if the country he was trying to sell nuke sub secrets was France. They are mighty pissed off at the Australia switcheroo.

    These national military-industrial complexes don’t like to be undercut. But French subs? Come ‘on man…

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @HammerJack
    , @Jack D
  111. anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    steve’s middle name is Marquisha.

    from wikpedia:

    steve Marquisha sailer (born isidore chrysomaniac europhobe epstein)…

  112. @HammerJack

    I bet it was a twin lens reflex. And if you want a races-reversed control case, that would be young Ahmed Mohamed the Sudanese boy who scored an invitation to the Obama White House. (We had a lot of fun with Clockmed, in case you’re new around here.)

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  113. Muggles says:
    @Anon

    Lynching is back?

    No. I have read that technically “lynching” is the removal of a suspect from official police custody and taking them out and hanging them by regular citizens.

    So very few, if any modern “lynchings” are actually that. Probably none in the US.

    Simply killing someone by hanging them isn’t lynching.

    Actual lynching was done (rarely) in the South w/ accused blacks or more often, in Texas and the West when local citizens didn’t want to wait for a trial. The historical case I best know of was from my hometown in the late 19th century where an accused rapist/murderer of a very young girl was captured when trying to escape on a train and arrested. The next afternoon a local mob (which included local politicians) went to the jail and removed him with little interference.

    He was hanged from a telephone pole. Photos, etc. No one was ever legally bothered over that lynching. Oh, he was a White man.

    In this instance (re: the Mexican) it was probably suicide, or could be. Robin Williams, Anthony Burdain, etc. all chose hanging as their exit strategy. Seems to work better than you might expect.

  114. SafeNow says:

    Derbyshire’s rules for The Talk state that, if accosted by a black, “smile, say something nice, and move on.” But you can’t really “move on” in a jam-packed club. This places extra emphasis upon your delivery. My own suggestions are:

    (1) Do not smile. You would look like a wise a\$\$. There’s a reason why the phrase exists “I’ll wipe that smile off your face.” Instead, show a look of concern.

    (2) Elaborating on “say something nice”: The key phrases are “I don’t want any trouble” (“no trouble”?); and “I’m sorry, man. I respect you, man.”

  115. @Peter Akuleyev

    Yes I am bit of illiberal to you racially inferior morons.

  116. El Dato says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    “Once you begin to understand that you’ve participated in appropriation, you cannot go back and therefore going forward in a better way is the only option,” he wrote.

    You now picture impoverished Hitler ranting in Vienna about his guilt in appropriating some shtethl custom.

    Then suddenly falling silent and then August Kubizek asks “What’s up Adolf? What are you thinking about now?”

    A monster is born!

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
  117. Cortes says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Very good. Get another couple of tales and there’s a chance of making a musical.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  118. Uncle Dan says:
    @Bragadocious

    They wanted your eyeballs, not your money.

  119. Truth says:
    @Meretricious

    is it really “popular”? I wonder–I suspect lots of these scaredy cat youths are afraid of saying the obvious: hip hop sounds like jungle music

    Well, the “youths” yes…

    https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh9DyMO1Az760DnXAG

    https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh3rAR5VAI5Ax5W1nE

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshh7F9kkpfmswUzsnN8

  120. Peterike says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    “ David Miller, the firm’s chief executive”

    David Miller of Minnetonka was a Madoff investor. And also a donor to the Minneapolis Jewish Family and Children’s Services.

    No surprise they would “apologize” to Indians. Surprised he didn’t say “fellow white people.”

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  121. El Dato says:
    @Muggles

    France seems to know what it’s doing in submarine equipment:

    https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/france-submarine-capabilities/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarines_of_France

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Suffren

    They are punching well above their weight, plus they know about nuclear power.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  122. ATBOTL says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Wow. Just wow. You must be really old or sheltered to think that. Are you from America? Rap become mainstream pop music when MC Hammer had a number one record in 1989. Gangsta rap was mainstream pop music for normie white teens by late 1993, when Snoop Doggy Dogg’s pop flavored solo album came out. Prior to that, jocks, skaters and metal heads listened to gangsta rap, but white nerds and largely preppies didn’t until around 1993. By 1999, after grunge died, rap was hegemonic in pop music. There was a slight dip in rap record sales in the 00’s, but it didn’t last long. The new generation of rap/rap/techno hybrid music, aka “mumble rap” has been totally dominant in pop music for around ten years.

    In major metro areas, rap was popular with mainstream white teens by 1986 when the Beastie Boys came out and gangsta rap was popular with poor, rural white youth a little later, by 1990 or so(you would see them at amusement parks like Six Flags wearing silly wigger clothes that actual white urban wiggers would never wear). Rap was a little slower to spread to middle class, middle American teens in small metro area suburbs away from the coasts. But not much slower.

    Many mlnls had this trajectory:

    Alternative rock and “pop punk” around elementary school. Rap in middle school when Eminem came out. Emo and other rock genres as teenagers and in college and then rap again when it become hegemonic again.

    Interesting, the only white youth who didn’t start listening to rap until after 2000 were the real extreme hipster types who were obsessed with “indie rock.” Even though they were super liberal, they would say things like “rap is crap and not real music.” Around the mid 00’s, those types started to “ironically” listen to the most ignorant type of poorly made gangsta rap, which was called “murder rap” at the time. Support from those types of hipsters, who are most of the white mlnls who work in media, influenced the rise of mumble rap.

    When I read comments like this, I wonder where they were when rap music was 75% of the songs played at my middle school dances in 1990. Obviously, not living the real world.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Feryl
    , @S. Anonyia
  123. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie

    Dysgenics probably plays a role in the affinity current White teens have for Hip Hop. Just go to any Wal-Mart and take a gander at the fat, mouth breathing, tattooed, pajama-wearing whites you’ll see there, then compare that to a street scene in photographs, movies etc. from 60 years ago; most of the whites back then were slim, well dressed and healthy looking.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
  124. Non-stop CNN coverage, or total lack thereof, will tell you the race of the shooters.

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
  125. SMK says: • Website
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    Daily life in “black-run-America,” even in a city that is only 14% black. Yet another rampage by low-IQ negro savages who should have been in prison rather than free to shoot and kill a woman and wound 14 other people, all white I assume if the wounded doesn’t include the 3 black shooters who were shot by the police or themselves(?).

    If all or any reject a plea-bargain in which they’ll be sentenced to 20-30 years in prison with a chance for parole after 10-15 years -I assume it’s impossible to determine which of the 3 brutes and cretins murdered the woman and who shot the most victims of those who survived the carnage- what will be their defense at trial with a jury that is at leaast half black, possibly resulting in a “hung jury” or even nullification as with O.J. and who knows how many others who were guilty beyond any doubt.

  126. @Polistra

    Yuck.

    Read this morning, she’s a big supporter of feminism and BLM, and is/was in the resistance to Führer Trump.

    She’s not even a cat lady. She’s got a hubby and two kids. Things are not well with American white women as they avidly signal their extreme compliance with the narrative from their gal pals in the establishment media.

    ~~

    BTW odds they’ll be executed–zero. We didn’t execute traitors Walker, Pollard, Ames or Hanssen. We’re simply not a serious nation.

    Of course, in fairness to these people they are just doing retail what our “elites” are doing wholesale.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  127. @Polistra

    ‘Really, I hate to be that guy, but can you imagine the international media scandal that would ensue if three white gunmen had opened fire in a black club in da hood? Our cities would be in flames just like last year.’

    You’ll note that it didn’t happen last year — and our cities were in flames anyway.

  128. @Father Coughlin

    Hip-hop is very popular among white youth. Depressingly so.

    Since blackface is outlawed, its a way for guilt-ridden whites to feel black.

  129. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @Herp McDerp

    Mutual combat bro.

  130. Execute the three negroes and get on with life.

  131. @restless94110

    “Um, one of the few blacks in the club was shot dead by three black men who came into the club to shoot her.”

    So how did the three black guys get shot then? I doubt the woman was the primary target although perhaps she was with a target.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  132. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Let me offer a correction: “guys have pulled knives on people in broad daylight”

    should read

    “Negros have pulled knives on people in broad daylight”.

  133. @ginger bread man

    Thanks for the diversion, GBM.

    I dumb lucked my way to 14 of 15. (Missed Trey Radel–sucker play.) Way, way better than i should have done. But with a bit of knowledge about America, names, race–even in my case knowing next to nothing about rap/rappers–i thought maybe seven of the first ten were fairly tractable. (I think i’d heard of Ed Royce, but would have gone that way anyway.)

    • Replies: @profnasty
  134. SafeNow says:
    @Polistra

    I don’t rule-out the possibility that this guy was merely collating information readily available in the public domain. I have seen, on a legit military website, technical-looking information that is not classified at all. In actuality, as Hillary would say, the information is a nothing-burger. But one could collate it, impart a dramatic tone, offer it to Fang Fang, and she would buy it.

  135. Currahee says:
    @Bragadocious

    The Negro Delusion Bubble continues to expand.

  136. profnasty says:
    @Herp McDerp

    The gang that couldn’t shoot straight.

  137. @Abolish_public_education

    I’ve thought the same. 40 years ago, if there was some flood or something or other, they would just interview the Sheriff or the Fire Chief or someone of similar rank. Now every stupid agency has a spokes-hole.

    More useless jobs we get to pay for.

  138. Anon[944] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon215

    He is from Southern Germany, down around the Black Forest.

  139. Gamecock says:
    @Herp McDerp

    St. Paul police say they’ve arrested three men who were injured and taken to area hospitals.

    “Did an armed citizen shoot them to prevent additional casualties?”

    A black armed citizen. None dead. Just injured. Sailer’s Law, ya know.

  140. @anon215

    He is from Southern Germany, down around the Black Forest.

  141. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    BTW odds they’ll be executed–zero. We didn’t execute traitors Walker, Pollard, Ames or Hanssen. We’re simply not a serious nation.

    Walker?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  142. profnasty says:
    @AnotherDad

    Radel is the only one I knew.
    SW Florida Congressman (!):
    Fox talk radio host runs- wins.
    Three months in office goes to an interview with Geraldo Rivera. Brings Cocaine. Gets caught. Loses Congress job.
    -Back to talk radio.
    Hilarious!

  143. @Mr. Grey

    I could be describing most American cities.

    I’ve never heard of a Black city where there is a bar scene that caters to Blacks.

    Memphis and New Orleans still cater to White tourists.

    If you google “Top Detroit bars” you will see a bunch of low key bars for White people that are definitely not playing hip hop.

    Bars that play rap/hip hop tend to be in White or college areas.

    Chris Rock once did a bit about how you can’t open clubs near Blacks and everyone thought he was joking.

    I remember hearing about a hip hop club opening and they were actually asking Blacks on the radio to not bring any thug friends.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
  144. @Ganderson

    Another Dad, you’re excused for mixing the two cities, as a St. Paul Catholic boy I’m stupidly sensitive about such things.

    Thanks. But was only “mixing” in the sense of “conglomerating”.

    I’m aware of the historic ethno-religious Protestant-Catholic divide. But to me: “same airport”. (I’m even ok with RegCaesar’s examples of Dallas/Fort Worth and Seattle/Tacoma–as legit big top American metro blobs and those cities are way, way more distinct–30+ miles apart–than M-SP. Though his Vancouver reference was bizarre–neither Vancouver remotely metro’d with Seattle.)

    Confess my experience with MSP is mostly–as Northwest/Delta person–“airport” (i.e. Mogadishu). If disembarking, i drive my rental out of the garage cross the Minnesota–thus safely avoiding a drive down shooty 7th–head over to US 52 and down to the balmier climes of NE Iowa.

    (

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  145. SF says:

    OT: Steve, you may have already reviewed David Card’s study on wages and immigration. It might be time to review that in light of his nobel recognition

  146. @HammerJack

    If you see something, say something. But don’t say it in mixed company.

  147. @ginger bread man

    I got most of the first few wrong, but finished with ten right, with a streak at the end. Our minds work like AI!

  148. @Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_Walker

    BTW, one thing that has struck me again and again: Why do these people have that information?
    How can individuals have intelligence the disclosure of which actually matters? (Walker supposedly was able to reveal information that allowed the Soviets know where all our subs were. C’mon.)

    Even Ames is ridiculous. And not just the CIAs completely incompetence and bungling. (The guy was red flags up and down and all around.) Why was Ames able to know all the names? Ever heard of compartmentalization? Need to know? Data access?

    Gross incompetence.

    But we not longer demand loyalty–not these pipsqueaks, not from our “elites” who are doing much worse … and gleefully advertise their disloyalty.

  149. Ganderson says:
    @AnotherDad

    You’re right, the distinctions have largely faded, but I’m stuck in the past…

  150. @HammerJack

    There are never any negative consequences for naming the whitey.

  151. @Anonymous

    Where are these kids’ parents?

    My kids hate hate hate rap. We never let them listen to it ever. They get classical from us and that video game background music and movie musik like Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean, etc.

    Why would anyone let their kids listen to rape?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  152. @Cortes

    Suggested name for the musical:

    “Let’s Do A Bang Up Job”

    • Thanks: Cortes
  153. @Peterike

    Give it a rest, will you? You don’t know the pressure he was under.

    Don’t judge a man, even a Jewish man, until you’ve walked a mile in his moccasins.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    , @Peterike
  154. Does anyone here know if Timothy Simkins’ victims were black, white, or otherwise diverse? I can’t find out.

  155. @El Dato

    “… you cannot go back …”

    My take away is that he’s against reparations.

  156. @ginger bread man

    I took the NBA player or Member of (UK) Parliament test …

    1. Mitchell Ballock
    2. Liam Byrne
    3. Nicolas Claxton
    4. Spencer Dinwiddie
    5. Jonathan Djangoly
    6. Darren Jones
    7. Danny Kruger
    8. Damian Lillard
    9. Sean McDermott
    10. David Nwaba
    11. John Sentamu

    Answers below —

    [MORE]

    Mitchell Ballock -NBA
    Liam Byrne -MP
    Nicolas Claxton -NBA
    Spencer Dinwiddie -NBA
    Jonathan Djangoly -MP
    Darren Jones – MP
    Danny Kruger – MP
    Damian Lillard -NBA
    Sean McDermott -NBA
    David Nwaba -NBA
    John Sentamu -House of Lords*

    2 out of 11 for me. Sad.

    • Replies: @ginger bread man
  157. @Paperback Writer

    His CULTURALLY APPROPRIATED moccasins.

  158. @Richard B

    “Yeah. Like Abbie Hoffman, or Dustin Hoffman. Those damn AshkeNazis!”

    Curiously, the judge in the Chicago Seven Trial, in which Abbie Hoffman was a defendant, was Julius Hoffman.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  159. Peterike says:
    @Paperback Writer

    “ Don’t judge a man, even a Jewish man, until you’ve walked a mile in his moccasins.”

    They’re called indigenous foot coverings, racist.

    • LOL: Lurker, Kylie
  160. OFF-ish TOPIC:

    https://chorus.stimg.co/22918226/ows_2b69a14a_267c_430f_b926_e3ccf3cf178d.jpg?w=525&h=600&format=auto%2Ccompress&cs=tinysrgb&auto=compress&crop=faces&dpr=2

    More Twin Cities shoot ‘em up news …

    The undercover officers who fatally shot Winston Boogie Smith Jr. in a vehicle atop an Uptown Minneapolis parking ramp last summer won’t face criminal charges because Smith drew a handgun on them and fired, the Crow Wing County attorney announced Monday.

    “Though I am unable to determine who fired first, it is irrelevant in this case,” Crow Wing County Attorney Donald Ryan wrote in a letter to Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman dated Oct. 6, but released Monday. “Once an individual initiates a deadly force confrontation, a law enforcement officer does not have to wait to be shot/shot at reaction.”(sic)

    Smith was shot June 3 by two members of the U.S. Marshals Service’s Northstar Violent Offender Task Force, which was attempting to arrest him on a warrant for being a felon in possession of a gun. Ryan didn’t identify the task force members who shot Smith or their home agencies.

    Their actions in firing at Smith were “reasonable and justified,” Ryan wrote. “Their conduct was clearly in response to an apparent threat of death or great bodily harm.”

    https://www.startribune.com/prosecutor-no-charges-against-marshals-in-uptown-shooting-of-winston-boogie-smith

    • Replies: @Charon
  161. @Kylie

    It’d be great if white teens were just pretending to like hip hop. But no, I think they are true believers. Sad and scary.

    They said the same thing about rock once. Then again, they had a point, didn’t they?

    • Replies: @Kylie
  162. @Reg Cæsar

    St Paul (and Minneapolis) get their coldest winter weather blown down from the Canadian Shield. Blame Canada!

    The last week of January 1970 the high temp every effing day was 29 below.

    Shock absorbers couldn’t absorb bumps. Tires had flat spots for a few miles.

    I was raised in St Paul from 1958 on. Delivered the Pioneer Press in the Cathedral District. Sunday mornings hours before the winter sun’s ignited, freezing my toes and fingers. Walked through an intersection near Selby-Dale that was covered in blood stained packed snow from a Saturday night gang fight. Puddle of blood (over a pint) on the sidewalk in front of the laundromat where they dropped off the newspapers.

    Minneapolis and St. Paul were (are?) divided by more than the Mississippi River. I rode the Selby-Lake bus to a private high school across the river, my stop was the Dairy Queen. The Minneapolis kids were a bit snobbish.

    Left the state in 1975 and never thought about settling there.

  163. @Muggles

    I think if it were France we would have been informed.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  164. @ATBOTL

    Rap become mainstream pop music when MC Hammer had a number one record in 1989.

    Blondie hit the top of the charts with “Rapture” in 1981.

    A pioneering example of cultural appropriation!

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    , @Brutusale
  165. @Paperback Writer

    For the past three days there’s been a complete news blackout on the story.

    As I posted on a brother blog, in 2019 the school district spent \$8M (out of a \$270M bond whopper from two years earlier) on Timberview HS upgrades, notably including installation of additional surveillance cameras.

    Let’s see some of that video.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    , @anon
  166. @Polistra

    Is putting up your BLM sign near the door an attempt to dissuade criminals?

    Have any studies been performed to judge its effectiveness?

    Somehow I doubt it. Isn’t by the street better than by the house? Would it even make any difference to the average home invader?

  167. Feryl says:
    @ATBOTL

    GNR’s Appetite for Destruction, Def Leppard’s Hysteria, Metallica’s black album, Ten by Pearl Jam, and whatever the hell Micheal Jackson, Micheal Bolton, Garth Brooks etc. were releasing during the G.H.W. Bush/early Clinton era era far outsold any rap record of that period. By the late 90’s rap was more commercially viable, but that’s also when rap began incorporating a lot of pop/dance elements as opposed to the “punk music for black people” (minimal instrumentation, ugly lyrics and gruff vocals) that rap resembled in it’s “golden age” of circa 1988-1995.

    And as I mentioned earlier, where are the rap CDs? There are far more classic rock and heavy metal CDs at the used CD stores in my area. Punk is also lightly represented on the shelves, punk is so over-rated and has been creatively dominated by heavy metal since Metallica’s Ride the Lightning in 1984. Commercially punk was always overshadowed by other forms of hard rock from the mid-70’s onward: arena rock, Prog, and various forms of metal. Thrash and grunge were punk influenced, but grafted metal, psychedelic, and Prog influences onto punk rawness to make much more interesting music.

  168. Feryl says:
    @bomag

    Punk music was in the popular consciousness from circa 1980-1984, but faded into oblivion soon after (unlike melodic hard rock, Prog, grunge, or metal) aside from a few catchy songs by The Ramones and The Clash. Since punk had no racial angle to it, it only survives as a footnote that fueled far more advanced genres of rock music. But rap is “black music” and as such it must be propped up* (I seem to recall that some Boomers in the record industry, back in the 90’s, felt that rap was “authentic” music from the street and felt obligated to promote rap music as a way to give black voices more volume, an additional sentiment was that whites needed to hear this stuff whether they wanted to or not). Were it not for the racial angle, rap would today be regarded as an initially exciting and novel form of music that quickly fell into a creative abyss from which escape is impossible by the rigid parameters of the genre.

    *Blacks themselves to some degree embrace rap precisely as a social posture and statement more so than anything that gives them joy. White punks follow the same philosophy. Look, when the music is boring and anhedonic, you have to act like it’s social significance and normie repelling qualities justify listening to such BS.

  169. @Feryl

    Rap is all about the latest and mostly sold as singles on phones.

    I have seen an increase in urban record stores which is a surprising trend though it’s probably the same type of Whites that wouldn’t follow rap in any generation.

    I peaked into one store and didn’t see anyone over 30. A bunch of 21 year olds looking at Metallica and Ozzy records.

    In my mid sized rural town we actually had a rap bar and it shut down a while ago. No one was going.

    I think peak rap in Whites is behind us. I have been to rural bars where they blast rap and all the White people looked annoyed. A lot of the new rap is also extreme in its rejection of morals and basic English. It is also mindlessly conformist to its own demented ideals which takes away any sense of rebellion.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  170. Additional thought on rap:

    White teenagers can’t be as stupid as previous generations.

    Family wage jobs are harder to come by and if you have some plan or connection you don’t want to blow that by adopting some fake White gangsta stance. For previous generations most White men could end up OK even if they screwed around a bit.

    Teenagers are under a lot of economic pressure and most can sense that mimicking some Chicago rapper that will probably end up dead isn’t a very good idea. They don’t have the same level of rebellious freedom as previous teenagers. When I was a teenager it was normal for adults to give us s–to toughen us up. With today’s teenagers they will get seriously worried that something is wrong with them if you rib them a bit. They will take it as a belief that they can’t hack it.

  171. Muggles says:
    @HammerJack

    I think if it were France we would have been informed.

    You have an interesting point.

    In the AP story I read (via the WSJ today) nearly all the info about this comes from court filed arrest and charge documents from the FBI. As of earlier on Monday I haven’t seen any other info.

    This court filing supposedly says that alleged spies mailed certain docs and computer data cards to some address associated w/ Country X. In April 2020. But it goes on the say that in Dec. 2020 the FBI had these docs. It doesn’t explain that.

    Subsequently the FBI impersonated a Country X source and paid the accused in cyber currency, etc.

    There seems a lack of info as to how the FBI got the original docs. or copies, from whom and why? Were these stolen from Country X intelligence? Or simply given?

    I guess being a would-be govt. secret seller is harder than it looks. Well, that BLM sign and all…

  172. Feryl says:
    @John Johnson

    Most rap is so dunderheaded and samey that there’s very little to the song or vocal craftsmanship. Other genres have clearly superior artists, albums, and songs that will continue to “sell” (literally and figuratively) for decades. So rap essentially is novelty music, not worth serious scrutiny or devotion.

    Blasting rap to random strangers or in any kind of social setting is really a fool’s errand. Naturally nobody ever foists 98% of punk music or death metal onto any sort of social gathering space for normies because almost nobody gets any pleasure from those genres and they are “white rock” music so almost nobody pretends they have any social significance. But rap is seen as part of the communal and artistic fabric of blacks so it gets supported by wokesters to their detriment.

    WRT hipster media collecting, it could be that some young people know that the current culture is junk and want to experience the satisfaction of owning a physical artifact from a better time. An archeological dig, sort of. And they keep hitting the 80’s nostalgia button (I suspect the more high-brow and creative young people gravitate towards 70’s/80’s music, while the more immature gravitate towards 90’s video games). Right now there is a ridiculous bubble for 90’s video games (which were produced in massive quantities so they should not be that valuable). The mania for video games is dorky.

  173. @ATBOTL

    I’m not old, I’m in my early 30s. You sound like an old Gen X parent in denial about your kids driving the mumble rap trend and liking rap more than previous generations. Also, a few pop/hip-hop crossover hits being played at school dances doesn’t mean the white teens from before 2010 spent most a lot of time listening to rap albums or that rap was broadly popular the way it is today.

    Also,where on earth are you getting the idea that “‘murder rap” became popular with suburban mid 2000s teens? I was a teen at that time, I remember silly pop-rap songs from 50 Cent and Nelly getting played a lot. Pretty far removed from gangsta rap, it was more club-oriented.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  174. anon[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    The intended victim was very black. https://www.fox4news.com/news/family-of-15-year-old-timberview-high-school-shooting-victim-asks-for-prayers

    A teacher, probably white, was shot trying to break up the fight.

    The narrative is that this is just a black on black beef, ending with gunfire. Not a normal Columbine style school shooting. Nothing to see…move on.

    And frankly, the public doesn’t much care. Aside from the initial thought it was a bad white with a gun, which didn’t last long.

    Perhaps a Corollary to sailor’s law is that if the media resists racial identification, the working assumption is that the perp is black.

  175. @James B. Shearer

    I was wondering that, too, but that has nothing to do with the shooters’ target. People in the club could nave been packing heat and fired back……hey, maybe they even injured themselves (I’d believe that). If you see shooters shooting and you have a gun you can fire at them without affecting at all who the shooter’s target was.

  176. @Feryl

    And as I mentioned earlier, where are the rap CDs?

    Under malt liquors:

    Hip Hop drink coasters

    [MORE]


  177. @Anon

    Or any guy from the south named Leroy or Devon.

    Or Sweden, via Cambridge, Massachusetts.

  178. @Anon

    It sure puts a tarnish on Indigenous Peoples’ Day! A holiday, not for Indigenous People, but a day for the good whites to lay guilt trips on deplorable bad whites.

    At least it isn’t Thanksgiving, as in the Great Guilt White North.

    2009: “There’s an app for that.

    2021: “There’s a flag for that.”

  179. @Currahee

    Repitition. Boring repitition.

  180. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alice in Wonderland

    We never let them listen to it ever.

    Nor do we. I have made it plain that no degenerate music is permitted.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  181. @Jack D

    It really is decent of them to be sporting monickers that effectively work around the Wokel reporters censorship.

    Playing the White man, one might say.

  182. Rob McX says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    So it would be nurture, not nature – that famous German-American penchant for shooting up nightclubs.

  183. @Half Canadian

    We will all be equal when you can finally hear a name like Markquavious or DeVondre and be genuinely unable to infer anything at all about the suspect. Turns out, DeVondre is korean and Mr Hoffman is black! WHAAAAT.

  184. Thirdtwin says:

    “But what if the crowd appears to be mostly white…”

    How is it that the only fatality is black? How many of the wounded—besides the three musketeers—were black, in this crowd which “appears to be mostly white”?

  185. Charon says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    Presumably everyone here knows that is very close to Mr Lennon’s nickname for himself?

  186. Jack D says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Based on his name, he is a light skinned American black (mulatto). The reason he looks “Hispanic” is that many Hispanics (especially Caribbean ones such as Puerto Ricans) have a similar racial mix – this is about how you look if you are 75% European and 25% African. In a place like Puerto Rico, almost everyone ended up looking this way and they were all considered to be, if not exactly white, then “Puerto Ricans” like everyone else. But America had the one-drop rule so people who looked like Devondre were considered to be colored and lived in the black community. I’m sure Devondre would be insulted if you told him that he was anything other than Black.

  187. Paleoconn says:

    The third one is Devondre Trevon. A real head-scratcher…

  188. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    It sounds like a gun battle initiated by one man, Phillips, with the dead women and several injured being innocent bystanders, caught in the crossfire from Phillips and a return shooter, Brown.

    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/10/11/2-men-charged-in-mass-shooting-at-st-paul-bar/

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/murder-charges-in-food-hall-mass-shooting-reveal-details-from-chaotic-scene

    What’s strange is that there appear to be 1-2 other men shot FIRST by the initial shooter, Phillips, and talking to him or to women that he was talking to. Before Brown returned fire. These other men injured did not returning fire, perhaps because unarmed, or incapacitated. Perhaps we will learn that Brown was there with a group of friends. My initial impression is that Phillips was most at fault and initiated the gunfight–for example shooting Brown’s (friends?) in the abdomen before Brown started returning fire.

    Both Phillips and Brown have been charged with several attempted murders. One of Brown’s return fire shots was the kill shot on the vet tech girl. He is charged with murder as well (although seems like the less morally guilty party).

    I kind of wonder what the demographic was here, also. Just curious, not making any inferences. Seems like pretty mixed, rather than all black or all white. I guess also, I wonder how low/high class the joint was. I’ve been to a black, low end dance bar before. Different dynamic. (Was near me and none of the customers would sit down at the booths or order food, so I used to go and eat sometimes. I didn’t try hitting on any of the ladies or talking to anyone.)

  189. Jack D says:
    @Muggles

    So was he Jewish or what?

    You’re not pinning this one on the Jews. On unz, 10 out of every 5 bad guys are labeled as Jewish on zero evidence. Toebbe is some kind of misspelled surname for a single (Christian) family that is found in Kentucky and Ohio.

    Whoever he tried to sell secrets to dropped a dime on him to the FBI, so I assume it was some country that is (1) friendly to the US and (2) potentially interested in nuclear sub technology. He probably wouldn’t have tried a country that he thought was TOO friendly with the US (e.g. the UK) because he might have figured that they would turn him in. I would rate Israel as a strong possibility.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  190. Lurker says:

    The justifications are already part built-in.

    and then we had a few individuals who decided to pull out guns and pull the trigger indiscriminately, with no regard for human life

    See, it was just ‘individuals’. Sure three individuals acting seemingly in concert, but still just individuals. This event doesn’t tell us anything, there are no wider issues.

  191. @Anonymous

    We never let them listen to it ever.

    Nor do we. I have made it plain that no degenerate music is permitted.

    It wasn’t Janet’s areola, it was the lyric itself that should have gotten parents riled up:

    Bet I’ll have you naked by the end of this song

  192. Muggles says:
    @Jack D

    You’re not pinning this one on the Jews.

    Hey, not me. I just asked the question, since I knew someone else here would likely do so. My very next sentence in my post was about the possibility of being just a “greedy Anglo.” That covers a lot of bases.

    I’m not one here who’s bashing Jews all the time. I’m not one of those, quite the opposite.

    But many recent traitors (okay, some) have been Jewish. Couldn’t tell from the name. Also like you I don’t rule out Israel as the Country X, though their nuke sub program seems non existent.

    Either someone dropped that dime as you mention, or was itself infiltrated and leaky with secrets.

    Given the BLM sign in their front yard, you can’t rule out that group for sponsoring these spies, though that seems a bit too bold. I’m sure the DoJ will make a thorough investigation of them to see how many traitors they are funding. Stay tuned to CNN for updates.

    Can you imagine the reaction if they had a “Trump 2024” sign in their yard?

  193. ATBOTL says:
    @HammerJack

    That’s not real rap music though.

  194. Jack D says:
    @El Dato

    We don’t see a lot of French imports but the French have always been (almost) neck and neck with other advanced industrial countries in almost every field of technology. The reason we don’t see the French stuff is that #1 the French have always concentrated on their domestic market and on their ex-colonies (whereas the Germans and Japanese always go for exports and American defense products tend to be home grown) and #2 French stuff tends to be slightly different and not necessarily in a good way – the French have their own way of doing things. But the French are right up there, whether it comes to nuclear technology or aerospace or whatever.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  195. ATBOTL says:
    @Feryl

    The rap audience skewed very young in that era.

    The Michael Jackson thing is hilarious because it was written about so much. MJ was horribly uncool by 1992. He was a joke and uncool to people my age by the late 80’s. His bizarre behavior and gay appearance and mannerisms made him a joke to teens and he was also the previous generation’s most overrated musical artist.

    The famous story, which I saw IRL, was that all these boomer parents bought MJ Dangerous CD’s for their kids to play on new CD players only to find that no kids liked MJ anymore. It was a bad album anyway. All these kids sold their MJ CD’s and used the proceeds to partially pay for Nevermind. I can think of at least three people I knew in 1992 who did that.

    DF’s Hysteria was released in 1987, guy. Might as well have been 1887 by the 90’s.

    Zero teens listened to Garth Brooks or Michael Bolton when they came out. You mentioning that as if it were relevant is hilarious. That was like music for uncool boomer parents who never liked Led Zeppelin. My Woodstock generation parents would make fun of that music and say things like “imagine being an adult and thinking Kenny G is real Jazz or Garth Brooks is real country” if one their crappy songs came on the car radio.

    Keep in mind that before the internet and globalization, there were really big regional and class differences in young people’s popular music taste and sense of style that don’t exist anymore.

    Also, most boys I grew up with who were jocks/skaters/delinquents(ie considered cool and not fags) listened to grunge, heavy metal and rap at the same time.

    “And as I mentioned earlier, where are the rap CDs?”

    LOL. They get bought quick when they hit the selves, since rap has been the dominant pop music for around 25 years. Does the insane number of Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass Band LP’s in vintage stores reflect the popularity of Herb Alpert today or the fact that the least wanted records build up at these places?

    Rap surpassed rock when Tupac got out of prison around 1995 or 1996. That’s when rap started to outright dominate total sales rather than just sales to teens. The fact that all the top grunge and heavy metal bands had stopped releasing regular albums due being dead, strung out on drugs or throwing temper tantrums to disrespect their fans probably moved that date up a few years.

    You are right about punk. It was overhyped because because liberal art school fags who worked in the media listened to it in the early 1980’s. Where I grew up in NYC, the only “punk” fans were out of town transplants or rich kids in the most far out exurbs. Punk shows would be mostly filled with kids from small towns in Penn. and suburban Central NJ. NYC had something called the hardcore(punk) scene that was like skinheads and working class urban thugs and it overlapped with heavy metal but not West Coast type punk, who literally no one I knew growing up listened to.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  196. @Paperback Writer

    A story about the anguished cries of an injured’s mom is the best that the reporters can do?!

    If the district can be believed, there are recently upgraded security cameras all over the Timber[hood] building. The cops have obviously reviewed the footage. Why can’t we?

    I’m also waiting to read about the numerous reports of:

    • bullying that were ignored.
    • the weapons discovered in-school, found in lockers or pockets, etc., serious matters which were covered up by educrats.

    Those sorts of politically embarrassing things.

  197. ATBOTL says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Also,where on earth are you getting the idea that “‘murder rap” became popular with suburban mid 2000s teens?

    I said “extreme hipsters,” who later went on to work in the media, not “suburban teens.”

    It’s insane to deny that rap had become extremely popular with mainstream white teens by the early 1990’s. You could quickly find countless media articles from that era discussing that fact.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1992/07/20/black-like-who-why-white-teens-find-hip-hop-cool/85f66bb6-07db-475e-b266-002f5443f95b/

  198. Kylie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lol! The difference is that rock was mostly about feeling good in socially unacceptable ways without hurting anyone else. Premarital sex, recreational drugs, even hot rodding. Rap is about violence toward others–women, cops, white society generally. Everything about rap is assaultive.

    But yes, rock was the gateway genre, so to speak.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  199. Willie says: • Website
    @Ganderson

    My Dad relayed this comment from the traveling Big Band days:

    “There’s nothing slower than St. Paul or Easter week”.

  200. Willie says:

    “Sheriff Bob Fletcher predicted there would be a shooting at Truck Park in St Paul a night before it happens… ”

    Bob ain’t no slouch. He’s no storm trooper, either.

  201. mc23 says:

    Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings

    If only weather predictions were so accurate.

    If bookies were giving odds, I wonder what they would be?

  202. @S. Anonyia

    Rap is legitimately popular among white people under 25. It’s a major difference between zoomers and millennials (who did not truly like rap and only listened to a few rap-pop hits). I wouldn’t say what the young people are listening to has strong pop elements, either….it’s usually described as “mumble rap.”

    I would describe it as jungle drumming accompanied by rhythmic chanting.

  203. Feryl says:
    @ATBOTL

    My point was that Def Leppard and GNR were far more popular than rap was in the late 80’s. Beastie Boys, Run DMC, and even the first NWA record came out in the late 80’s if memory serves. Into the early 90’s, Skid Row toured with Pantera and GNR did shows with Metallica. 80’s hard rock didn’t suddenly die on Jan 1 1990. In fact it wasnt until well into 1992 that grunge really dominated MTV and commercial rock radio (that being said, metal with thrash roots like Metallica, Megadeth, and Pantera all had big selling records in the 90’s).

    Part of the reason rock began to die circa 1995 is that people born in the 1970’s did not apply themselves as musicians, so they stink at making good music compared to early Gen X-ers and older generations. By the late 90’s those older generations began to age out of the prime demographic for performing pop music.

    I brought up Bolton and Brooks to demonstrate what was objectively commercially popular. Wasn’t talking about what teenagers are into. Cultural analysis emphasizes grunge and rap because it fits into angsty and woke cultural elite discourse and ignores what the normie masses actually felt and did at the time. Even Metallica and Pantera have been sent into the margins because they are too inspiring by comparison to grunge and rap (and of course footballer Chads and white guys who work with their hands blasted this stuff from their pick-ups so yeah, no-go with the arty ninnies you mentioned). I wonder too if grunge got it’s foot in the door of elite parameters of acceptance via wokeness (grunge luminaries didn’t just act within generic good liberal terms, but were aggressively preachy and arrogant in their framing of Leftist narratives) and self loathing drug addicted neurosis. Interestingly, the hippie era of the late 60’s also created a crop of drug addled head case rock stars who also… Became celebrated cultural icons. Because they were uh, deep or something.

    Is rap really that popular even now? The reason I bring up CDs is that I have a hunch most rap “fans” attach so little importance to the music that they can’t be bothered to own physical media. They find it on the radio or stream it, but as a matter of emotional resonance or intellectual curiosity rap is thoroughly boring and alienating that people can’t bring themselves to pay to own something tangible. A previous poster mentioned Gen Z-ers perusing store shelves for classic rock and metal albums. Since rap is seen as an authentic black rooted enduring form of the cultural and communal fabric it persists like a fungus. Punk was seen by the Silent 1980’s white majority as anti-social and spergy and it quickly died off against stiffer competition. But the black “community” is so hapless that it didn’t reject rap, and wokeness gradually spread it to whites.

    • Agree: Pixo
  204. Feryl says:
    @Kylie

    Rock’s fan base of white normies can distinguish between reality and fantasy, rap fans think of rap as a “how-to” guide to making one’s fantasies (no matter how nuts) a reality.

    You also see rap feuds escalating into literal murder.

    Lastly, there are different forms of rap. The thug stuff you mentioned commercially peaked in the mid-90’s. At other time periods poppier forms of rap did well.

  205. Brutusale says:
    @HammerJack

    Aerosmith, 1975

    Consecrated by “real” rappers, 1986

    RIP, Jam Master Jay

  206. @anonymous

    Until they started getting shot the white people at this club had no problem with the malevolent hip-hop lyrics being spewed out.

    Playin’ gangsta is great fun. White chicks love it.

  207. Mr. Grey says:
    @John Johnson

    In the mid 80’s I hosted punk rock shows in a warehouse, and wondered why there was no similar scene among the black kids in Oakland. I soon found out why. Funny how if you actually live with and become friends with black people, white liberals will inevitably call you racist due to your life experiences.

  208. @Carroll Price

    Agree 100%. When they say nothing you know the guy is black.

  209. I tried sending the link to this article to a friend via Facebook Messenger, but got a notification from FB that the message couldn’t be sent because the site doesn’t comply with “community standards!”

  210. @Mr. Grey

    In the mid 80’s I hosted punk rock shows in a warehouse, and wondered why there was no similar scene among the black kids in Oakland. I soon found out why. Funny how if you actually live with and become friends with black people, white liberals will inevitably call you racist due to your life experiences.

    If you do anything with Blacks in real life as opposed to watching them on tv you will make White liberals uncomfortable.

    I found that the same thing happens with charity.

    They can actually be weird about charity because they feel like you are one-upping them. In their minds you are taking the image competition to another level which is offensive. As if everything you do is in comparison to them. It doesn’t enter their minds that you donated or helped out for the sake of it.

  211. Richard B says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    Curiously, the judge in the Chicago Seven Trial, in which Abbie Hoffman was a defendant, was Julius Hoffman.

    Spot on! Forgot about that one. Thanks for the reminder.

    And you’re right. It is a bit curious. Or maybe not.

  212. @Mr. Grey

    One of my favorite modern themes: White liberal who know zero black people, who couldn’t range a black parson with an artillery shell from their back yards, but insist they cherish “diversity” and are happy to call others racists.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  213. @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    That’s pretty much everyone in Portland.

    They will put BLM signs in their yards but you won’t see a Black guy for miles.

    The Blacks have their own area north of the city and just happens to be where most shootings occur.

  214. Roja Pill says:

    The problem is that whenever there is an overwhelming majority-white nightlife spot, it will inevitably become overrun by negroes. The obvious (rhetorical) question is why they can’t just stay in their own “establishments”? And the answer is: they seek above all else liaisons with white women, whilst humiliating/dominating white men.

    • Agree: Automatic Slim
  215. @Elmer T. Jones

    I believe you are new to this blog, Elmer. The consensus here is that the high wounded vs fatality results are due to the low IQ and impulsive nature of black shooters. In short they are too stupid to shoot straight and too undisciplined to stop shooting until they run out of bullets.

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