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From the New York Times:

Prove You’re Not White: For an Article About Race-Verification on Reddit, I Had an Unusual Request

Asking interviewees who said they were black to show me their faces filled me with discomfort. That was the point.

Thousands of users submitted photos to the Black People Twitter subreddit moderators showing their skin color and user names — and in some cases, other things suggestive of black identity, like hair and skin care products.

By Amy Harmon
Oct. 8, 2019, 5:03 p.m. ET

Like most reporters, I try to confirm what my interview subjects say even when I have little reason to doubt them. …

But my recent reporting on racial tensions in a popular Reddit forum was the only time I have asked to see the faces of interviewees who said they were black. (I am white.) Doing so filled me with a discomfort that I came to recognize as the conflict at the heart of my article. It also made for some big reveals.

… Few users of the one I was writing about, Black People Twitter, would disclose their real names, so I couldn’t search the web for a picture. Nor could I be sure I wasn’t falling for a devious scheme by the subreddit’s volunteer moderators to certify white users as black. Yikes.

With nearly four million subscribers, Black People Twitter is one of the few large, public online discussion forums about black American life, and its moderators had instituted a policy that was drawing criticism from Reddit users across the political spectrum: On heated threads, they had announced, participation of white users would be limited.

As part of an ongoing effort by The Times’s National desk to explore how technology is shaping our interactions around race, and vice versa, I reached out to the subreddit’s moderators — using, at first, various forms of text messages. They told me the policy arose partly from complaints that black users had raised over comments that routinely characterized racial inequality as natural, nonexistent or the fault of black Americans. It would also, they hoped, make it harder for white users to pass themselves off as black, a practice they believed was not uncommon.

Mainly, though, it was meant to combat what one called the “subtle expression of privilege” that led to white voices dominating discussions in a subreddit devoted to humor and commentary about black life.

… Critics accused the moderators of racism for lumping together white users with disparate opinions on issues like police violence and systemic racism, of shutting down debate, of retreating to “a giant echo chamber.” “Yeah, I get it, I’ll never understand what it’s like to be black,” wrote the user bobbymcprescott, “but removing a non-racist comment because I’m white is just childish.”

Supporters replied that it could be useful for white Reddit users to experience being rejected based on their skin color, and pointed to the thousands of black users celebrating the move as evidence that it filled a need. “Reddit is full of mostly white subreddits,” they wrote in a public post. “We have Black People Twitter.”

The importance of knowing someone’s race when the conversation is about race was not lost on me. I had asked all my sources their race by phone or text, because it was clearly relevant to the article. “Are you living this or are you just commenting on it?” as Mr. Moreno put it. I also understood that the appeal to democratic ideals by white Reddit users read to many black Reddit users as a particular flavor of what has been called “white fragility,” the trademark inability of white Americans to meaningfully own their unearned privilege. “You feel the entitlement that it’s your space, that you need to be the voice to tell the story,” said Tony Hinderman, a visually-verfied-by-me black Black People Twitter user, “when it’s really not your story.”

As a reporter who has written about forms of racism both subtle and less so over the past year, and as a sentient human being, I was under no illusion that we were living in a post-racial society. Still, the mere act of asking for proof of someone’s race felt like a violation of a taboo I had internalized growing up and perhaps also in my time as a reporter covering the late 1990s internet. The techno-utopians of that era, the digital culture scholar Andre Brock of the Georgia Institute of Technology reminded me, held the dual beliefs that democracy thrives only when free speech is near-absolute and that internet-enabled anonymity would strip away the biases, racial and otherwise, impeding that freedom. It’s possible I had come closer than I would like to admit to having been one of them.

For now, though, we have an internet where white people, sometimes posing as black people, can actively sow racial division, and a democracy, according to a recent Pew Research study, in which black and white adults have widely different perceptions about the fairness with which black Americans are treated.

“A lot of colorblind ideology has been manifested online,” Dr. Brock said. “But it ignores the powerful role that whiteness has in shaping everyday existence in this country.” …

So then Amy double checks to see if Black People Twitter isn’t actually a giant conspiracy to empower white racists. She make people she is quoting going visually verify their blackness for her:

The Black People Twitter moderators, I concluded, were not dispensing check marks to white people so as to imbue their views with a counterfeit authority.

Whew! That’s good news! Now we can all rest assured that James D. Watson isn’t logging in to Black People Twitter from the nursing home to make Amy look bad.

In the woke future, social media will require all users to take a DNA test to prove their racial bonafides.

 
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  1. Altai says:

    Meanwhile, in China, they’ve developed the technology to actually do this.

    Getting a new mobile number in China will involve a facial-recognition test

    China is taking every measure it can to verify the identities of its over 850 million mobile internet users.

    From Dec. 1, people applying for new mobile and data services will have to have their faces scanned by telecom providers, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology said in a Sept. 27 statement (link in Chinese).

    This will soon be required for regular internet use.

  2. Lurker says:

    Black People Twitter

    Cultural appropriation.

  3. in some cases, other things suggestive of black identity, like hair and skin care products.

    Oh snap! Once Steve finds out that I use Jheri Curl, it’s all over.

  4. Even though I occasionally identify as an African-American, if I was actually a Cis-African-American, it’s not much of a stretch to imagine what body part I’d photo and share with her to document my authenticity.

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @MBlanc46
  5. syonredux says:

    “A lot of colorblind ideology has been manifested online,” Dr. Brock said. “But it ignores the powerful role that whiteness has in shaping everyday existence in this country.” …

    Indeed. Just imagine what would be gone if we removed whiteness : Communication Theory, the short story, the detective story, the aeroplane, the Morse-Vail telegraph, the revolver, the English language, the Constitution, the United States of America, ……

    • Agree: Hail
  6. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:

    I didn’t even know Black People Twitter existed, and neither do I care. I am not surprised, however, that some SJW feels they must force blacks to verify their blackness. White SJWers feel that it is their God-given duty and special privilege to corral, herd, hogtie, and hector black people in their own internet space like cattle. And make sure that that blacks, like good little slaves, have their social space policed by a member of the superior SJW white Master Race so that the blacks only express and think correct, white-approved thoughts.

    It’s really funny that Harmon, an SJW, offended the heck out of blacks by demanding they prove their identity in the process of trying to be so pro-black. She’s an arrogant jerk and an utter nitwit.

    • Replies: @harmonshoal
  7. On the Internet I identify as a black lesbian dwarf with a cleft palate!

    • Replies: @NOTA
  8. “Yeah, I get it, I’ll never understand what it’s like to be black,” wrote the user bobbymcprescott, “but removing a non-racist comment because I’m white is just childish.”

    The sound of someone who has absolutely no idea what’s in store.

    “A lot of colorblind ideology has been manifested online,” Dr. Brock said.

    Well now that is troubling. If the internet can promote a colorblind society, even in a minor way, it needs to be SHUT DOWN.

    “But it ignores the powerful role that whiteness has in shaping everyday existence in this country.”

    Yeah. Like inventing the internet, for example. And a few other things.

    ETA: Syon beat me to it! Must be on the right track then.

    • Replies: @Hail
  9. Good God. It’s as if Amy Harmon exists for no other reason than to be trolled.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  10. Amy needn’t worry — discussing race-related stuff with black people is pretty much right at the bottom of my internet to-do list

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  11. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    Since all Chinese look alike, isn’t this a waste of time?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  12. According to an NYT article about this subreddit, not liking Beyonce is dispositive of whiteness.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  13. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s time to point out that Harmon, by demanding that black people give up the anonymity that protects their safety on the internet so she can financially profit off of them by writing an article, is just like a white slave-buyer ripping the clothes off a black slave for sale so he can tell if he’s going to make a profit by inspecting the quality of the goods on display.

    This notion needs to be spread all over the internet so that it ruins Harmon.

    • Replies: @Charon
  14. @syonredux

    It’s a White punchbowl, and they’re floating in it.

  15. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    “removing a non-racist comment because I’m white is just childish.”

    The sound of someone who has absolutely no idea what’s in store.

    “Deplatforming? How about deplatforming from Western Civilization?” – Curt Doolittle

  16. black sea says:

    Tony Hinderman, a visually-verfied-by-me black Black People Twitter user . . . .

    Most interesting/amusing thing she said in her article. And she managed to misspell “verified” into the bargain.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  17. I wonder if Tiny Duck is aware of this. We better tell him.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  18. … and a democracy, according to a recent Pew Research study, in which black and white adults have widely different perceptions about the fairness with which black Americans are treated.

    Sayeth Black America: “Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me?”

  19. …and in some cases, other things suggestive of black identity, like hair and skin care products.

    Can they touch it?

  20. How would you distinguish equinophiliacs from Bronies?

  21. istevefan says:

    Black People Twitter is one of the few large, public online discussion forums about black American …

    This is another example of something that others have pointed out before, blacks are consumed with being black. Where Whites belong to associations or groups that pertain to their occupations or interests, blacks belong to mirror groups that are always set up to be black.

    If there is a student government, there will probably be a black student government. If there is an association of engineers, there will probably be an association of black engineers.

    You don’t even have to ask how an association would be perceived if it were setup for Whites. Yet Whites more often than not are the ones accused of being obsessed with race.

    It would also, they hoped, make it harder for white users to pass themselves off as black, a practice they believed was not uncommon.

    Interesting. There are dedicated twitter accounts set up to find and track the accounts of “My fellow Whites” who routinely put down White Americans under the pretense of being part of what they are putting down. I guess blacks and Whites have some common problems after all.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Forbes
    , @Corvinus
  22. Alden says:

    I couldn’t read past the first 2 paragraphs. I could not understand what she was trying to say. It’s like a computer translation from a foreign language. All I got was something about blacks.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  23. @Prof. Woland

    He should be required here to prove he is a duck.

    The rest of us should be required to prove we are not this guy:

    Except Jack D. We already know he is a dormitory full of college students with hasbara fellowships.

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  24. The advantage of limiting posts to black people is that people like Amy Harmon can study what black people say amongst themselves.

    It’s an important anthropological experiment. Sort of like keeping the Andaman Islanders uncontaminated by contact with the White Man.

    But how do they determine if members are black enough? Do they have to hold their forearm next to a paperbag?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Colin Wright
  25. Ano says:

    Pity Black People Twitter is a negro ghetto.

    I’m going to miss out on all the virtual-world gang-banging, shoot-outs, chimp outs, queen-on-queen brawls and weave-pulling, and the ‘let-out’ mass brawls- and, of course, all the bystanders typing out WORLDSTAR!!! in capital letters.

    Shame for me- but the person I really feel sorry for is Shaun ‘Talcum-X’ King.

    (I wonder if Rachel Dolezal can help him fool the forearm verification process.)

  26. @thinklikea1l

    Oddly enough, I’ve found her voice more and more annoying as time goes by. Fortunately my life is such that I hardly ever have to hear it.

  27. Is Harmon operating under the one drop rule? How could she identify between blacks and Indians? A much better test would seem to be one used in South Africa – the pencil test.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_test_(South_Africa)

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  28. @Buzz Mohawk

    That’s John Derbyshire, no?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  29. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-photographer-told-a-group-of-teens-to-stop-using-the-n-word-then-shots-rang-out/ar-AAIu6rj?

    A photographer told a group of teens to stop using the n-word. Then shots rang out.

    Lateshia Beachum
    3 hrs ago

    The Washington Post

    A photographer told a group of teens to stop using the n-word. Then shots rang out.
    Lateshia Beachum
    3 hrs ago

    A photographer is lucky to be alive after being shot nine times by gang-affiliated teenagers after a dispute over the n-word, Arizona authorities said.

    CT, who preferred not to use his full name for fear of his safety, was shot after an altercation broke out with three teens, according to police.

    Ricardo Sanchez-Mendoza and Angel Gabriel Ortega Romero, both 18, have been charged with felonies ranging from aggravated assault to assisting a criminal street gang, according to court documents filed Thursday. A 17-year-old was also involved in the incident, but police are withholding his identity because he is a minor.

    It was the first time CT, 33, had visited Phoenix’s Encanto Park, where he wanted to take landscape photos because of its lake, he told local TV station ABC 15. He documented his evening on Facebook Live.

    A group of young men asked the freelance photographer whether he could take their picture.

    “I charge 20 bucks, man,” he told the group before eventually taking the picture free of charge, according to ABC 15. He directed them to pose and captured a group picture of the three.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  30. Charon says:
    @Anon

    Given that facts have absolutely no effect upon the Narrative, it’s unlikely that historical analogies will cause the edifice to crumble.

    • Agree: Thea
  31. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea

    I found this more amusing: “Like most reporters, I try to confirm what my interview subjects say even when I have little reason to doubt them.”

    And the first laugh comes in the first three words: Ms. Harmon’s not a reporter, she’s a journalist. Here’s some of the self-referential and subjective drivel that wouldn’t have appeared when the NYT at least presented itself as a newspaper:

    – (I am white.)

    – Doing so filled me with a discomfort that I came to recognize as the conflict at the heart of my article.

    – Nor could I be sure I wasn’t falling for a devious scheme by the subreddit’s volunteer moderators to certify white users as black. Yikes.

    – As part of an ongoing effort by The Times’s National desk to explore how …

    – … a particular flavor of what has been called “white fragility,” the trademark inability of white Americans to meaningfully own their unearned privilege.

    – … felt like a violation of a taboo I had internalized growing up …

    – It’s possible I had come closer than I would like to admit to having been one of them.

    – … I concluded …

    Selfies taken with a keyboard.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Forbes
    , @sayless
  32. J.Ross says:

    “Having reduced Christianity to Godless puritanism, and a temporary ritual discomfort which never interferes in my goals, I am pleased to report — that is, it feels horrible, and that’s the point — that I got in my little three and a half minutes of straw dog humiliation, with plenty of time left over to make it to Whole Foods.”

  33. El Dato says:
    @The Alarmist

    That’s now illegal!

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  34. Anonymous[764] • Disclaimer says:

    I am so confused.

    So if some balding middle-aged guy decides he is a woman, everyone has to go along with it and ignore the fact that he is and still looks like a balding middle aged man under penalty of cancellation and lawsuits, but if some light-skinned person says they are black on the internet, that is highly problematic?

    Which brings me to OT, what Steve has been saying:

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/08/what-the-first-nonbinary-american-wants-the-supreme-court-to-know-about-transgenderism/

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @RobUK
  35. El Dato says:

    Still, the mere act of asking for proof of someone’s race felt like a violation of a taboo I had internalized growing up and perhaps also in my time as a reporter covering the late 1990s internet.

    Reprogramming to new modes of thought is painful.

    I don’t know whether there was strong diversity on the Internet back then. Maybe on AOL?

  36. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    I identify myself as a tax deductible non-profit entity. I feel paying taxes doesn’t truly demonstrate who I am. That taxes defile who I am on the inside. I’m a 501(c)(3) trapped in a taxpayer’s body.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  37. @Altai

    Along with the amazing improvements in infrastructure, China is going 1984 at a pretty fast pace. Just 12 years back, one could get SIM cards off vendors on the street for various prices that would fit in “un-locked” (a simple software thing) phones. One could visit an internet cafe, lay down the equivalent of 30 cents, and surf the web anonymously for an hour. About 3 years ago, you started needed to show your national ID card to get a phone. Do the Chinese people care?

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    , @anon
  38. By pushing for segregation of this Black-Twitterdom, Amy Harmon has become the current-era George Wallace. The Real Donald Trump should send the NY National Guard over to Amy Harmon’s computer. #WeShallOvercome!

  39. So, if I put my identity as Aryan, can I comment on Black Twitter?

  40. RobUK says:
    @Anonymous

    The simple rule is: whatever is the most divisive, most likely to pit one group against another, entrench group attitudes and the most disruptive of western society will be supported. When they talk about principle or justice they are lying.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  41. @Anonymous

    Talk about defending freedom of speech . . .

    Counterinsurgency

  42. muh skin colour

    • Replies: @anon
  43. Realist says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Along with the amazing improvements in infrastructure, China is going 1984 at a pretty fast pace.

    Like the US.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  44. SFG says:

    I just don’t want to be here when they start requiring proof of ‘goyishness’ to post on certain writers on Unz and ask for pictures of something else.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  45. Pheasant says:

    What I want to know is how many of them remove the metadata?

    It is plebbit after all…

  46. RonaldB says:

    I actually like the idea of ethnically-homogeneous groups, live, electronic, or otherwise.

    A lot of people assume the grouping is for political purposes, which it may be in some cases, but in other cases, it’s people who want to share their opinions and experiences with other people who have had similar histories and culture. Recall the Putnam studies showing that people are happiest in a homogeneous group.

    Black students have done well at traditionally, and mainly, black colleges. Thomas Sowell recounts the successes of black grammar schools and high schools before integration and the dissolution of neighborhood identity became mandatory. Blacks, broadly speaking, have had similar experiences, though most or all of the experiences were derived from culture rather than discrimination. It makes sense to me that there would be a sense of comfort in sharing experiences and ideas with people having similar experiences and ideas.

    We’re thinking that a black twitter would simply be a sounding board for more black grievances. It’s certainly possible, but is it not also possible that in the comfort of being in a group consisting only of people more-or-less like themselves, they could find it easier to break the dam, and someone say “Maybe there’s a genetic reason we don’t have as many Nobel scientists or engineering professorships as whites. Let’s focus on what each does best and move on.”

    I favor complete freedom-of-association, by the way.

  47. Pericles says:
    @istevefan

    There are dedicated twitter accounts set up to find and track the accounts of “My fellow Whites” who routinely put down White Americans under the pretense of being part of what they are putting down.

    Indeed. Amy Harmon in the article above:

    But my recent reporting on racial tensions in a popular Reddit forum was the only time I have asked to see the faces of interviewees who said they were black. (I am white.)

  48. @Anon

    Is she the same Harmon who appears on Chris Wallace’s tribal panel that also tolerates Newt G?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  49. “In the woke future, social media will require all users to take a DNA test to prove their racial bonafides.”

    Or perhaps bar code tattoos.

  50. @Henry's Cat

    Shame on you. This is John Derbyshire:


    John Derbyshire after he wrote “The Talk: Non-Black Version”

  51. @Achmed E. Newman

    In India you also need ID to get a sim card. It’s easier to get a local to procure one for a fee.

  52. @Kronos

    If you’re still paying taxes you’re a fool…

  53. Mace says:

    But wait, how is this even possible? What even is “black?” I’ve been reliably told that there’s no such thing as race, and besides, how would you even classify that? Are Libyans black? Are Italians?

    Funny how when it comes to race, the ant-whites get to eat their cake and have it too. There’s no such thing as race, and there’s no such thing as white people, but we need to verify that people posting on r/blackpeopletwitter are actually black, because this system of whiteness is so oppressive.

  54. So much for the “conversation about race,” eh? Are we going to use the Brown Paper Bag test to see who qualifies for participation in that “conversation?”

  55. Rob McX says:

    Whatever happened to the “social construct” thing?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  56. I’d send in a pic of my arm rubbed in burnt cork with the burnt piece of cork next to it.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  57. “white fragility,” the trademark inability of white Americans to meaningfully own their unearned privilege.

    Anything said about “white fragility” is ten times truer of Jewish fragility.

  58. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Do the Chinese people care?

    What difference does that make?

  59. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roderick Spode

    “I have a dream, that someday my children will be able to talk to the world from the comfort of their own home, and their discourse shall be judged not by the content of their character, but by the colour of their skin”.

  60. “Yeah, I get it, I’ll never understand what it’s like to be black,” wrote the user bobbymcprescott, “but removing a non-racist comment because I’m white is just childish.”

    It looks like Bobby is starting to understand black people.

  61. Forbes says:
    @san joaquin sam

    Good God. It’s as if Amy Harmon exists for no other reason than to be trolled.

    FIFY.

  62. Forbes says:
    @istevefan

    It would also, they hoped, make it harder for white users to pass themselves off as black, a practice they believed was not uncommon.

    Who knew it was so easy to fake being black.

    The was such a role (a white dude “playing” black) in the movie “Barbershop.”

    And Rachel Dolezal.

  63. Forbes says:
    @anonymous

    Eventually, all media is entertainment, with the media personalities appearing therein holding down the starring roles.

    The culture has overturned the Me generation. It’s now consumed by the Look at Me generation.

  64. @Rob McX

    Whatever happened to the “social construct” thing?

    Somebody’s English teacher finally drilled it into his head that “construct” is a verb, not a noun?

  65. Notice she didn’t actually want to visit black people where black people live–and talk to them there.

    Get her on the Night Train:

  66. Shaun King is living proof that this is not solely a problem online.

  67. @Ray Huffman

    Just make sure you’re not caught blackhanded.

  68. J1234 says:

    Amy said:

    They told me the policy arose partly from complaints that black users had raised over comments that routinely characterized racial inequality as natural, nonexistent or the fault of black Americans.

    “….racial inequality as natural, non-existent or the fault of black Americans” seems to cover a very broad range of philosophical and political perspectives…hardly what I would call, “routine.” It seems to me that the very narrow range of perspectives about racial reality that are currently acceptable fit more of a routine and predictable profile.

    Anyway, as to the skin color photos, there’s actually a somewhat common occurrence on gunbroker.com that I suspect is an implicit reverse application of this strategy. Gunbroker is a site where firearms are listed for sale in the US, many or most of them used. I’ve purchased several guns off of the site, and it’s legitimate, requiring FFL’s to be used in the transfer process. Some of the online photos will show a hand holding the gun (usually a handgun), even though photos of a gun lying on a table are perfectly adequate for most buyers, and it’s easier to take photos this way. (You can also prop the gun up easily with a pencil through the trigger guard if you don’t want a horizontal on the table shot.)

    I have no proof that sellers are trying to prove they’re white, but all of the pictured hands appear to be white, though I’m sure some are Asian or Hispanic. I’ve never seen a conspicuously black hand holding a gun on gunbroker. Most buyers – white and black – want to avoid possible gangbanger weapons. There are probably a few black hands holding guns on the site, but I haven’t seen them.

  69. Corvinus says:

    “In the woke future, social media will require all users to take a DNA test to prove their racial bonafides.”

    Or, Mr. Sailer, to prove that they are not Jewish or a radical leftist on an Alt Right blog. Because we all know that anyone here at unz.com who dares to distract from the narrative with hate facts must be a Soros bot, or an anti-white, or a hater of Goys.

    It’s just easier to make that label and relish in their confirmation bias rather than having to ponder a critical analysis of their own thought processes. But that doesn’t happen to you, right?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  70. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    “Indeed. Just imagine what would be gone if we removed whiteness : Communication Theory, the short story, the detective story, the aeroplane, the Morse-Vail telegraph, the revolver, the English language, the Constitution, the United States of America….”

    LOL, that’s not whiteness. Those are concepts that owe its creation by various people across time and space. Remember, you didn’t build that.

    Of course, if you want to play that stupid game, “whiteness” in the last 400 years has been responsible for the obliteration of cultures, environmental degradation, the destruction of ecosystems, habitat destruction, the extinction of wildlife; and pollution.

    Own the bad rather than touting the good.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @syonredux
  71. Corvinus says:
    @istevefan

    “This is another example of something that others have pointed out before, blacks are consumed with being black.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> People, regardless of race, are consumed with being their race.

    “Where Whites belong to associations or groups that pertain to their occupations or interests, blacks belong to mirror groups that are always set up to be black.”

    You mean when blacks in Jim Crow South attempted to form unions and cooperatives, or when whites sought to have business associations or (gasp) sexual relations with blacks, and they were denied those opportunities because it was (allegedly) illegal and immoral?

    “You don’t even have to ask how an association would be perceived if it were setup for Whites. Yet Whites more often than not are the ones accused of being obsessed with race.”

    The reality is that blacks accuse whites of being obsessed with race, and whites accuse blacks of being obsessed with race, and Asians accuse whites of being obsessed with race, ad nauseam.

    But don’t let your confirmation bias get in the way of a good story.

  72. guest says:

    “filled me with discomfort. That was the point.”

    The point was to make herself uncomfortable? That’s called masochism. Seek medical attention .

  73. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “But how do they determine if members are black enough? Do they have to hold their forearm next to a paperbag?”

    Similar to how whites determine if their fellow members are white enough or are a “good” or “bad” white? Pray tell, how do YOU tell the difference? What metrics do you employ?

    Furthermore, must all whites act and think the same way you do to be considered white, or do they have the liberty to oppose your line of thinking without being subject to the label of “anti-white”, “cuck”, or “race traitor”?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  74. Thea says:

    The worst part of this article is how boring it is.

    It’s horrific that we live in a society where such naval-gazing inanity is worthy of a paycheck.

  75. NOTA says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Hey, weren’t you formerly the gay girl in Damascus?

    • Replies: @anon
  76. anon[547] • Disclaimer says:
    @NOTA

    Hey, weren’t you formerly the gay girl in Damascus?

    Wasn’t that Corvinus?

  77. @Henry's Cat

    In America the pencil test is used to see if girls were required to wear a bra or not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  78. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Related:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49987657

    Russian trolls’ chief target was ‘black US voters’ in 2016

    … Thousands of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and You Tube accounts created by the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA) were aimed at harming Hillary Clinton’s campaign and supporting Donald Trump, the committee concludes.

    … This post by IRA account @blackstagram_ _ used a picture of a prominent social media influencer, Janee Allure. It received 111,102 likes with the hashtags, #blackexcellence and #blackgirlmagic.

    Another image posted on Instagram featured a young girl in a rainbow dress with hashtags that mentioned community pride and Black History Month. It was shared 168,998 times.

    Facebook users engaged 11.2 million times with a top-performing page, “Blacktivist”, which was created by the Russian agency.

  79. @Corvinus

    or do they have the liberty to oppose your line of thinking without being subject to the label of “anti-white”, “cuck”, or “race traitor”?

    You have the liberty to behave as you please.

    And I have the liberty to describe your behavior as that of an anti-white, cuck, or race traitor.

    • Agree: Steve in Greensboro
  80. @Corvinus

    Own the bad rather than touting the good.

    If you’re going to criticize someone for what he’s done poorly, surely it’s only basic human fairness to praise him for what he’s done well.

    Or do you disagree?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  81. Corvinus says:
    @silviosilver

    “If you’re going to criticize someone for what he’s done poorly…”

    So are you admitting these white failings if we play Syon’s stupid game?

    “surely it’s only basic human fairness to praise him for what he’s done well”

    While acknowledging that those things done well rest upon the contributions of others, right?

    “You have the liberty to behave as you please. And I have the liberty to describe your behavior as that of an anti-white, cuck, or race traitor.”

    You do have the right to be wrong. Do you think that your (erroneous) description of tens of millions of Normies will get them on your side?

  82. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    “Indeed. Just imagine what would be gone if we removed whiteness : Communication Theory, the short story, the detective story, the aeroplane, the Morse-Vail telegraph, the revolver, the English language, the Constitution, the United States of America….”

    LOL, that’s not whiteness. Those are concepts that owe its creation by various people across time and space.

    MMM, I think that you meant to write:”Those are concepts that owe their creation to various people who lived in different times and places.”

    And, yes, quite true. White people in different times and places created those things.

    Remember, you didn’t build that.

    Of course not. They are my racial inheritance.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  83. @harmonshoal

    That might be former Dem congressperson Jane Harman — 70ish, silver hair?

  84. A journalist back in the early 60s actually had skin treatments to look black, went around being abused by mean white people and wrote a slender book about it called Black Like Me. James Whitmore was then in a movie version. They both looked absurd.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me

  85. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    I was correct when I stated “those are concepts that owe their creation BY various people across and space”.

    “White people in different times and places created those things.”

    Actually, it was people from different ethnicities, some of European descent.

    “Of course not. They are my racial inheritance.”

    You mean our inheritance by our ancestors, who were fortunate to take ideas from other people from around the world and put them to use.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  86. Paul says:

    On the Internet, nobody knows you’re not Jewish. Is that not a problem? Show us your face.

  87. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    What if my forearm looked like this?

  88. If I met people in person, my skin tone would be readily known. But here and most other sites when the discussions are focused on ideas I generally like to play down the color factor, because it simply has little merit. The test of a position is not skin color but the veracity of the proposition put forward.

    It is unfortunate that people simply are incapable stifling the need to brandish their skin color about as evidence of something. Skin color matters because we have made it a matter. That has been the path we chose. But how it matters and when is less of a concern online. There’s no guarantee what a person believes based on skin color.

    I am willing to grant out the separations between people of color has been cemented in the US psyche’. It’s not departing anytime soon and neither are the consequences. There is very little room to escape the color dynamic, except when one is online. And intend to keep my thoughts flowing through my life experience filtered through my ideas, as opposed to my body alone. There’s plenty of actual color play offline.

    Let’s see the emblem I am currently wearing is senile misogynist. laugh. Maybe i have been fortunate. But I am not unacustomed to people of this or that color not fitting the mold that society has stated they must play. In lecture and discussion face to face when color is frank and prescient — well color matters. On rare occasions when seething by someone’s comment(s) be they white green or blue, I can be cloaked in color and will speak soly from that vantage. But that is very rare – almost not at all.

    I think it is long past time for the dominant population to stop pretending that the color modalities are predicated on socialized practice and enforced to fit the agenda so intensely and for so long that it is inherently structural and will take more than laws to unravel it, if it can be unraveled. What i am sure of is that the embrace of feminism, same sex relations, illegal immigrant, legal immigrants is not a remedy but in all ways has hindered resolution.

    Given the demands of identifying which color coat you are wearing around here . . . it’s a tough sell to begrudge the demand elsewhere.

    But if content is the goal, I think people should resist Mrs Harmon’s demand.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
  89. sayless says:
    @anonymous

    Agree, Number Three Forty.

    She sounds like a middle-schooler.

  90. @EliteCommInc.

    I think people should resist Mrs Harmon’s demand.

    I think most people ignore Ms. Harmon’s demand, which comes to the same thing I guess. I certainly plan to, like I do with most of the material extruded onto the pages of the NYT.

  91. @Hypnotoad666

    ‘…But how do they determine if members are black enough? Do they have to hold their forearm next to a paperbag?’

    That’s kind of nonsensical. If they’re posting on the internet in the first place, they’re probably no more than 50% black or so.

  92. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @ScarletNumber

    The retired high end call girls I knew told me about the toilet paper roll test for customers. If at full tumescence you couldn’t get the cardboard tube to fit over it he got charged extra for wear and tear. The agency tracked those customers and which girls could/would deal with them and not.

    I asked if especially undersized guys got a discount. No. They figured that those guys went to the pros out of fear they’d be giggled at and were a captive market, or they were Japanese ‘whales’ with enormous amounts of cash, particularly in Las Vegas.

    Also, they usually sent the older girls to the biggest guys because they typically were looser. A lot of these women in the high end trade had surprisingly long careers-the ones I knew had 20 plus years in, retiring out at 40-45 or so. They of course all had the gamut of STDs except for HIV and hep and they were emotionally charred in certain ways but for them it beat the bleak small town lives their siblings and parents had. I can’t advocate it but they were certainly interesting people, not stupid, not mean or vicious.

  93. Lagertha says:

    at this point, why bother? We need cultural apartheid. It makes sense. I am tired of all people…can I choose to hangout and live with who I can hear clearly with?

  94. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    I was correct when I stated “those are concepts that owe their creation BY various people across and space”.

    Sadly, you didn’t write that. Instead, you wrote this:

    Those are concepts that owe its creation by various people across time and space.

    “White people in different times and places created those things.”

    Actually, it was people from different ethnicities, some of European descent.

    No, all of those things were created by Europeans.

    “Of course not. They are my racial inheritance.”

    You mean our inheritance by our ancestors, who were fortunate to take ideas from other people from around the world and put them to use.

    Sure. Europeans have a great inheritance.

  95. Is Amy Harmon actually White?

    I’d always assumed she was a Jewette..

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