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Stephen Miller’s Statue of Liberty remarks disturbed many

US news 3 hours ago

The White House advisor appeared to distance himself from the 1883 “huddled masses” poem inscribed at the base of the landmark, chiding reporter Jim Acosta. Miller’s remarks shocked many, even as supporters argue the symbolic poem technically isn’t US law.

 
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  1. Trump can remove the Emma Lazarus poem from the base of the Statue of Liberty with his pen and his phone.

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @JimB

    That's right! Liberty Island (formerly Bedloe's Island) is part of the National Park System, which is under the administration of the Department of the Interior. No federal laws are needed.

    As I have proposed before, the plaque should be removed as an ahistorical excrescence, melted down, and the bronze used as medals to reward US Border Patrol agents who display conspicuous gallantry above and beyond the call of duty in performance of their duties. The precedent here is the use of melted down Russian cannon, captured by Britain during the Crimean War, to make Victoria Crosses. They should be called the Trump Cross.

    Just hearing the howls of outrage from the border-busters would be sweet music to any patriot's ears.

    Replies: @JimB, @Jack Hanson

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @JimB

    Do this and take the wind out of SJWs' sails by relocating the plaque which contains Lazarus's pathetic drivel to Ellis Island. Right beside it, in its new location, should be a plaque informing that, at the time Ellis Island was running full blast, persons with infectious diseases like TB, mental impairments like insanity and retardation, a complete inability to understand or respond to English, and/or a total lack of economic resources were eventually sent right back home.

    , @anonymous
    @JimB

    And replace it with the 1st line of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which uh, is like technically - if you're really anal about it - U.S. Law. ("All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.")

    -or-

    Melt down the plaque and the statue and put the metal in the big beautiful wall.

  2. OT but in the already amply stocked Why Trump Is A Genius department…

    Despite all the build the wall campaign rhetoric, Trump’s first strategic move on immigration is to go after legal immigration, conversion to a merit based system, rather than a huge move against illegal immigration.

    How many immigration restrictionists in the several previous decades have advocated a Legal Immigration First policy.

    Zero, as far as I can tell. Remember, everyone is supposed to proclaim their pious love of legal immigration, it is just the line-cutting cheaters that we deplore. That has been the Overton Window on the topic since forever.

    So, 3d chess, but it all makes sense when you think about it, even if it is just hit them where they don’t see it coming generic principle.

  3. This looks like its from a twitter news feed. Did not know they had one. That some millennial twit at twitter authored this.
    Emma Lazarus “Poem Technically Isn’t US Law”
    But it virtually is.
    Remember a few years back when the word virtually was abused and overused? Similar to Obozo and “sustainable”.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Clyde

    "technically isn't" is used when a better construction would be "obviously, undoubtedly isn't, you dolt"

    On t'other hand, is this really any worse than the stupidity of confusing the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution?


    Someone ought to collect together all the bogus bits commonly attributed to the Constitution. "Separation of Church and State" would be a decent beginning.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Cloudbuster

  4. “What’s the REAL meaning of the Statue of Liberty?”

    You’re welcome to come to America if you’re a green French lady who’s this tall.

    • LOL: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Stephen Miller's new sign on the Statue of Liberty: "You must be this tall to immigrate."

  5. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    "What's the REAL meaning of the Statue of Liberty?"

    You're welcome to come to America if you're a green French lady who's this tall.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Stephen Miller’s new sign on the Statue of Liberty: “You must be this tall to immigrate.”

    • LOL: JohnnyGeo
  6. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Statue and Poem send contrasting messages and represent the contradiction at the heart of America.

    Statue stands for radiating American Ideals to the rest of the world. Teach the world to be free and choose liberty over tyranny. Statue believes that the world can be free, a world of liberty and progress. It is optimistic about the world.

    Poem stands for rescuing foreign peoples from the rest of the world. Save the people from weight of tyranny and backwardness. Poem believes that the world will always be rotten, and America is the ONLY sanctuary of security and prosperity. It is pessimistic about the world.

    Statue says American Ideals are universal and can light up the world.

    Poem says America is the only world of light and the rest of the world will remain dark and gloomy.

    So, there is no hope of radiating liberty. Only way to be free is to come to America.

    Statue says Americanism is an idea that can inspire the world since ideas can travel fast and spread all over the world. There is no need for people to come to America to enjoy Americanist freedoms. They can learn how to make the fire of liberty and light up their own nations.

    Poem says America is the only place with the light, the torch of freedom. And those who want to be free MUST make it to America or live in eternal gloom.

    In a way, both modes also define the contradiction within Jewish Ideology. The ‘mercurean’ universalism and the ethno-geo-particularism. After all, Jews say there are ‘universal values’ that must be spread all over the world by globalism. Yet, at the same time, they insist on ethno-nationalism of Israel and Jewish identity, and how it is specific to Jews.

    And current globalism is both ‘statuesque’ and ‘poetic’. On the one hand, Jews do say that American values are universal and should be spread all over. New Americanism is supposedly ‘diversity’ and homomania, and so all the world should be made to follow.

    Yet, at the same time, Jews say America is unique and exceptional and that the ONLY WAY many people can be free and happy is by coming to America the Place. It’s not enough for them to adopt American Ideas and Practices in their own nations.

    [MORE]

    Another contradiction. Usually, when a people emphasize the value of Place, they are exclusionary and in defensive position. It’s like Poles and Hungarians emphasize their home nations as Precious Places and defend them as their Turf.
    In contrast, when a people emphasize Ideals or Principles, they tend to be inclusive and universal as ideas can travel all over like dandelion seeds.

    But what’s ironic about American Place-ism is that it is inclusive. It says America the Place is uniquely great and wonderful… and therefore, we should let the world invade it and take it from us. WTF.
    One might defend this on the basis of generosity and compassion. Sharing Eden with rest of mankind. But it’s also stupid. I mean if you got something really good, why would you let others take it over, especially if your forebears made it into a great nation with much blood, sweat, and tears?

    Also, if Anglos and white gentiles are the ones who fundamentally pioneered and built America, who gave Jews the permission to offer it to the rest of the world?
    And are Jews really being generous? Or are they using non-white immigrants as proxy demographics against whites?
    I wonder… if all the immigrants coming were Anglos and Irishmen, would Jews really be all that enthused about more immigration? It would just lead to more white gentile power.

    Anyway, things are now worse because Europe was founded on different principles than the US but now going along the same path. Europe has deep rich history in race, culture, and soil. But the same ideology has been pushed on UK, Germany, France, Sweden, Italy, and etc.

    After WWII, all those nations gained something by adopting certain American principles of freedom and liberty. Japanese democracy also owes much to American Ideals. That was when Americanism was only ‘statuesque’.
    But recently, it’s turned ‘poetic’ in all the West, meaning that Europe(and even Japan) must become fellow ‘colossuses’ and take in huddled masses from Africa and Muslim world. Their Place-ism must follow the American model. Because their Places have nice things, it must be offered to invaders from all over the world.
    Of course, it doesn’t apply to Israel. Jews feel they got something really nice in Israel. So, why share it with the world and lose it? Why not keep it for themselves. Poles and Hungarians still feel this way, and they are reviled as ‘far right’ and ‘undemocratic’.
    Ideally, Poland and Hungary should be like UK and France that adopted the American Placism of surrendering Eden to others.

    Usually, if you have gold, you keep it.
    If you have rock, you can let others have it.

    And people always felt this way about territory. It is why Vikings called Iceland ‘iceland’ and Greenland ‘greenland’. Iceland is actually nicer and greener than Greenland, which is mostly ice. So, to fool others, Vikings named greener Iceland ‘iceland’ and called very icy Greenland ‘greenland’. Smart thinking. If you got something nice, others try to take it from you. It’s like Old Man and the Sea. Old man caught a nice marlin, so all the sharks and other fish try to eat it and take it from him. So, you gotta make sure that others don’t take it. It’s like Germans always hungered for Russian lands, and Hitler made a power grab to send the huddled Germans to the Old Colossus of Mother Russia. Russia said Hell No. Mother Russia statue in Volgagrad is about defense of nation.

    America began with traditional sense of Place-ism. Anglos and Northern Europeans knew they had something really really good, and they intended to keep it for themselves. So, they let in similar peoples. Later, they needed more labor, and Anglos made the cataclysmic mistake of bringing blacks. As for eastern and southern Europeans, they could be Anglo-Americanized in time but only with immigration shutdown in the 20s.

    But with Jewish dominance, traditional sense of Place-ism was traded for Replacism. So, American Eden, the land of gold, is to be given to the world.

    It’s like convincing someone to keep his rock but give up his gold. Oh, he will be loved and praised for such generosity…. only to discover upon being suckered that the world just sees him as a damned fool.

    Anyway, the Casino guy doesn’t fall for the shtick. But whites fell for the shtick and turned the statue into santa claus to the world.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    @Anon


    In a way, both modes also define the contradiction within Jewish Ideology.
     
    Which is probably why I instinctively reject both modes. I don't believe in universal values, nor do I believe in open borders.
    , @Jack D
    @Anon

    You're making stuff up. Greenland is called Greenland because Erik the Red was seeking colonists to settle it and gave it a name that would make it appealing to Icelanders. If he called it Frozenwasteland no one would have come. Developers have been making up names to make their subdivisions sound better than they really are since forever.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Anon

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Invade the World, Invite the World.

    The statue symbolizes American Liberty, which as we all know is the highest and purest form of government that has ever been seen or will be seen by man. It stands as an inspiration to all other peoples to aspire to, and if they don't aspire to it on their own, we'll bring it to their door whether they like it or not. After we've turned their land to rubble, Emma Lazarus provides the blanket and hot soup to the line of displaced.

    , @Desiderius
    @Anon


    Poem stands for
     
    The poem is unmitigated hubris and vanity. It says "we're so exceptional that we can take your worst and recreate them into the best."

    Nemesis now wreaks her havoc.
  7. Miller ought to have asked that Social Justice Warrior reporter these questions: “Don’t you care about Americans first? Where in our Constitution – where in the Preamble – does it say that the United States, that “We the people,” must continually take in all the world’s foreigners that want to come here? How many more Americans have to lose their jobs to foreigners? How much more do you want your own countrymen to have to pay to Import The Third World Forever and Ever? Tell us this too: why do we need more people? Are you aware of the disproportionately long time that legal immigrants stay on disproportionately high amounts of welfare paid for by your own countrymen? With automation eliminating thousands of jobs, do you think it makes sense to Import Endless Millions of unskilled, uneducated foreigners? Don’t you care about the Environmental Impact on our country from the hordes of foreigners making it necessary to build more urban sprawl and to consume more resources?”

    • Replies: @Detective Club
    @Auntie Analogue

    STANDARD LEFTY ANSWER : No! F You, Racist!

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Auntie Analogue

    Good question, but Acosta wasn't answering any questions. He wasn't even asking a question, really. He was making a long, rambling, incoherent statement that it's immoral and unAmerican for the US to limit the number of people allowed into it

    Replies: @Travis, @ThreeCranes

    , @Desiderius
    @Auntie Analogue

    No, the purpose of a press conference is for the press to ask questions and for the administration to answer them. Miller's not there to ask anything.

    He should have ignored (i.e. AMOGed) Acosta.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @3g4me
    @Auntie Analogue

    @7 Auntie Analogue: No, Acosta doesn't give a rip about "fellow Americans" and doesn't look at America as "our country." He's a Cuban, magic papers notwithstanding, and puts his people first, like everyone else in the world does except White European Christians.

  8. @Auntie Analogue
    Miller ought to have asked that Social Justice Warrior reporter these questions: "Don't you care about Americans first? Where in our Constitution - where in the Preamble - does it say that the United States, that "We the people," must continually take in all the world's foreigners that want to come here? How many more Americans have to lose their jobs to foreigners? How much more do you want your own countrymen to have to pay to Import The Third World Forever and Ever? Tell us this too: why do we need more people? Are you aware of the disproportionately long time that legal immigrants stay on disproportionately high amounts of welfare paid for by your own countrymen? With automation eliminating thousands of jobs, do you think it makes sense to Import Endless Millions of unskilled, uneducated foreigners? Don't you care about the Environmental Impact on our country from the hordes of foreigners making it necessary to build more urban sprawl and to consume more resources?"

    Replies: @Detective Club, @Harry Baldwin, @Desiderius, @3g4me

    STANDARD LEFTY ANSWER : No! F You, Racist!

  9. @Clyde
    This looks like its from a twitter news feed. Did not know they had one. That some millennial twit at twitter authored this.
    Emma Lazarus "Poem Technically Isn't US Law"
    But it virtually is.
    Remember a few years back when the word virtually was abused and overused? Similar to Obozo and "sustainable".

    Replies: @dearieme

    “technically isn’t” is used when a better construction would be “obviously, undoubtedly isn’t, you dolt”

    On t’other hand, is this really any worse than the stupidity of confusing the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution?

    Someone ought to collect together all the bogus bits commonly attributed to the Constitution. “Separation of Church and State” would be a decent beginning.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @dearieme

    No, "technically isn't" means that it's a mere technicality - that in reality it might as well be.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Cloudbuster
    @dearieme

    For the list:

    Qualified Immunity
    Presumption of Constitutionality

  10. @Anon
    Statue and Poem send contrasting messages and represent the contradiction at the heart of America.

    Statue stands for radiating American Ideals to the rest of the world. Teach the world to be free and choose liberty over tyranny. Statue believes that the world can be free, a world of liberty and progress. It is optimistic about the world.

    Poem stands for rescuing foreign peoples from the rest of the world. Save the people from weight of tyranny and backwardness. Poem believes that the world will always be rotten, and America is the ONLY sanctuary of security and prosperity. It is pessimistic about the world.

    Statue says American Ideals are universal and can light up the world.

    Poem says America is the only world of light and the rest of the world will remain dark and gloomy.

    So, there is no hope of radiating liberty. Only way to be free is to come to America.

    Statue says Americanism is an idea that can inspire the world since ideas can travel fast and spread all over the world. There is no need for people to come to America to enjoy Americanist freedoms. They can learn how to make the fire of liberty and light up their own nations.

    Poem says America is the only place with the light, the torch of freedom. And those who want to be free MUST make it to America or live in eternal gloom.

    In a way, both modes also define the contradiction within Jewish Ideology. The 'mercurean' universalism and the ethno-geo-particularism. After all, Jews say there are 'universal values' that must be spread all over the world by globalism. Yet, at the same time, they insist on ethno-nationalism of Israel and Jewish identity, and how it is specific to Jews.

    And current globalism is both 'statuesque' and 'poetic'. On the one hand, Jews do say that American values are universal and should be spread all over. New Americanism is supposedly 'diversity' and homomania, and so all the world should be made to follow.

    Yet, at the same time, Jews say America is unique and exceptional and that the ONLY WAY many people can be free and happy is by coming to America the Place. It's not enough for them to adopt American Ideas and Practices in their own nations.



    Another contradiction. Usually, when a people emphasize the value of Place, they are exclusionary and in defensive position. It's like Poles and Hungarians emphasize their home nations as Precious Places and defend them as their Turf.
    In contrast, when a people emphasize Ideals or Principles, they tend to be inclusive and universal as ideas can travel all over like dandelion seeds.

    But what's ironic about American Place-ism is that it is inclusive. It says America the Place is uniquely great and wonderful... and therefore, we should let the world invade it and take it from us. WTF.
    One might defend this on the basis of generosity and compassion. Sharing Eden with rest of mankind. But it's also stupid. I mean if you got something really good, why would you let others take it over, especially if your forebears made it into a great nation with much blood, sweat, and tears?

    Also, if Anglos and white gentiles are the ones who fundamentally pioneered and built America, who gave Jews the permission to offer it to the rest of the world?
    And are Jews really being generous? Or are they using non-white immigrants as proxy demographics against whites?
    I wonder... if all the immigrants coming were Anglos and Irishmen, would Jews really be all that enthused about more immigration? It would just lead to more white gentile power.

    Anyway, things are now worse because Europe was founded on different principles than the US but now going along the same path. Europe has deep rich history in race, culture, and soil. But the same ideology has been pushed on UK, Germany, France, Sweden, Italy, and etc.

    After WWII, all those nations gained something by adopting certain American principles of freedom and liberty. Japanese democracy also owes much to American Ideals. That was when Americanism was only 'statuesque'.
    But recently, it's turned 'poetic' in all the West, meaning that Europe(and even Japan) must become fellow 'colossuses' and take in huddled masses from Africa and Muslim world. Their Place-ism must follow the American model. Because their Places have nice things, it must be offered to invaders from all over the world.
    Of course, it doesn't apply to Israel. Jews feel they got something really nice in Israel. So, why share it with the world and lose it? Why not keep it for themselves. Poles and Hungarians still feel this way, and they are reviled as 'far right' and 'undemocratic'.
    Ideally, Poland and Hungary should be like UK and France that adopted the American Placism of surrendering Eden to others.

    Usually, if you have gold, you keep it.
    If you have rock, you can let others have it.

    And people always felt this way about territory. It is why Vikings called Iceland 'iceland' and Greenland 'greenland'. Iceland is actually nicer and greener than Greenland, which is mostly ice. So, to fool others, Vikings named greener Iceland 'iceland' and called very icy Greenland 'greenland'. Smart thinking. If you got something nice, others try to take it from you. It's like Old Man and the Sea. Old man caught a nice marlin, so all the sharks and other fish try to eat it and take it from him. So, you gotta make sure that others don't take it. It's like Germans always hungered for Russian lands, and Hitler made a power grab to send the huddled Germans to the Old Colossus of Mother Russia. Russia said Hell No. Mother Russia statue in Volgagrad is about defense of nation.

    America began with traditional sense of Place-ism. Anglos and Northern Europeans knew they had something really really good, and they intended to keep it for themselves. So, they let in similar peoples. Later, they needed more labor, and Anglos made the cataclysmic mistake of bringing blacks. As for eastern and southern Europeans, they could be Anglo-Americanized in time but only with immigration shutdown in the 20s.

    But with Jewish dominance, traditional sense of Place-ism was traded for Replacism. So, American Eden, the land of gold, is to be given to the world.

    It's like convincing someone to keep his rock but give up his gold. Oh, he will be loved and praised for such generosity.... only to discover upon being suckered that the world just sees him as a damned fool.

    Anyway, the Casino guy doesn't fall for the shtick. But whites fell for the shtick and turned the statue into santa claus to the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf2q0HemaFs

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    In a way, both modes also define the contradiction within Jewish Ideology.

    Which is probably why I instinctively reject both modes. I don’t believe in universal values, nor do I believe in open borders.

  11. Maybe Trump could add this Lincoln quote to the pedestal at the Lincoln Memorial=

    Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.

    • Replies: @European-American
    @unit472

    Not an actual quote by Lincoln, but an interesting story:


    Reverend James Mitchell of Indiana, later appointed Commissioner of Emigration, presented Lincoln with additional reasons why the Negroes should be colonized. Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people, he declared; as long as the Negroes continued to live with the whites they would constitute a threat to the national life. Family life might also collapse and the increase of "the mixed breed bastards," might some day challenge the supremacy of the white man. Mitchell recommended the gradual colonization of the Negroes in Central America and Mexico. That region had once known a great empire and could become one again. This continent could then be divided between a race of mixed bloods and the Anglo-American.
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/a/alajournals/0599998.0006.003/35?view=pdf (p. 172)

     

    More about that particular failed attempt at voluntary ethnic cleansing by Abraham Lincoln:

    Linconia was the name of a proposed Central American colony suggested by United States Senator Samuel Pomeroy of Kansas in 1862, after U.S. President Abraham Lincoln asked the Senator and United States Secretary of the Interior Caleb Smith to work on a plan to resettle African Americans from the United States. ...

    By 1862, Lincoln had decided that Chiriquí Province in Panama would be an ideal location to start an African-American colony. In August of that year, he invited a group of prominent African-Americans to the White House to discuss the plan. He stated that the area had "evidence of very rich coal mines...[and] among the finest [harbors] in the world." The delegation reacted negatively to the plan. ...

    ... the Central American nations of Costa Rica, Nicaragua and Honduras felt threatened and informed Washington that they opposed this plan. ... after being advised by Seward of the growing international outrage from the Central American nations, Lincoln decided to abandon the idea, angering Pomeroy who had already found 500 "pioneers."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linconia
     

  12. US immigration law should read: Only those with an IQ of 130 or greater and an interest in STEM subjects, who speak English will be allowed to immigrate to the US.

    • Replies: @NickG
    @Realist

    130 is Mensa level. 1 Standard deviation above the US average would be just fine.

    Replies: @Thea, @Stan d Mute, @DRA

    , @gregor
    @Realist

    Why do we want a bunch of foreign elite? Those are the ones capable of real damage.

    The Chinese will totally game the English test btw.

    Replies: @diegodepaloma, @Realist

    , @3g4me
    @Realist

    @12 Realist: Another IQ fetishist over thinking things. Oh great, a multicultural hot mess of bloviating midwits would be absolute paradise . . . NOT. The Alt-Right is perfectly fine with the normal IQ distribution curve of White IQ. As long as the criminals and idiots are OUR people, we can and will deal with them in our own way. Including eliminating them from the gene pool, as has been done for hundreds of years.

    You must find Academia quite rewarding. Good - stay there.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  13. Jewish Americans appear to be very opposed to moves to restrict immigration as they reckon similar policies would have kept their ancestors in Eastern European ghettoes and shtetls. If Trump keeps up his efforts on immigration, he is a lock for 2020. He is the one and only choice anti-immigrationists have.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Travis
    @Ali Choudhury

    so true, and he his rhetoric caused the left to openly advocate for increasing the number of refugees we admit, which is clearly not popular with voters. Especially Black voters, who despise immigrants. Although it is possible a democrat could take the populist path and advocate for a wall and reduced immigration. Even the NY times editorialized against amnesty because it hurt blacks and the working class when George Bush wanted another amnesty program in 2002. It is notable that Al Gore voted against the 1990 Immigration ACT , which increased Legal Immigration by 100% and created the diversity lottery. Not sure why no democrats would advocate for a reduction in Immigration, it is certainly a path to the White House.

    , @Anonymous
    @Ali Choudhury

    It's simpler than that. Most Jews live outside the U.S. That's all there is to it. American Jews oppose borders between the U.S. and the world for essentially the same reason that citizens of (say) Ohio would oppose border control between their state and the rest of the U.S.

  14. @Realist
    US immigration law should read: Only those with an IQ of 130 or greater and an interest in STEM subjects, who speak English will be allowed to immigrate to the US.

    Replies: @NickG, @gregor, @3g4me

    130 is Mensa level. 1 Standard deviation above the US average would be just fine.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @NickG

    We have nearly 400 million people. Surely some of them have above average IQ and an interest in STEM.

    Let's find & nurture them first.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Moshe

    , @Stan d Mute
    @NickG


    130 is Mensa level. 1 Standard deviation above the US average would be just fine.

     

    Mensa cutoff is 2% which means the score (i.e. "130") cutoff is dependent on the test taken.

    2% means "one in fifty" which doesn't seem all that smart when you consider all the folks who would want to come here if we did implement a cutoff. Plus, we have a BIG deficit to recover from as result of our past half century of third world immigration. I'd perhaps be more supportive of a 1% cutoff on IQ for all immigrants going forward. Too dumb? Stay home. We have plenty of Stupid here already!
    , @DRA
    @NickG

    Actually, Mensa is 2 standard deviations above the norm for Americans. One standardized deviation above that norm would be about 115 IQ, which is what you would get if you had regression to 100 IQ. And you would have to have a lot of such immigration to change the American average, if the only factor was genetics.

  15. @JimB
    Trump can remove the Emma Lazarus poem from the base of the Statue of Liberty with his pen and his phone.

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not), @Jus' Sayin'..., @anonymous

    That’s right! Liberty Island (formerly Bedloe’s Island) is part of the National Park System, which is under the administration of the Department of the Interior. No federal laws are needed.

    As I have proposed before, the plaque should be removed as an ahistorical excrescence, melted down, and the bronze used as medals to reward US Border Patrol agents who display conspicuous gallantry above and beyond the call of duty in performance of their duties. The precedent here is the use of melted down Russian cannon, captured by Britain during the Crimean War, to make Victoria Crosses. They should be called the Trump Cross.

    Just hearing the howls of outrage from the border-busters would be sweet music to any patriot’s ears.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    I prefer the Emma Lazarus plaque be melted down to make bullets for the border patrol.

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    I wish they'd make the Newton-Azrak outta those.

  16. Not that I expect it to ever happen.

    But as a matter of personal sentiment I’d like to see the Statue of Liberty sent back to France, along with that Emma Lazarus inscription (which of course wasn’t on it originally).

    Let them do what they want with it, they can pick up that torch if they wish.

    But I’m done with being “A light unto the world.” Maybe I’m post-Christian or something, but let the world wallow in darkness. Actually it’s more like the darkness is a result of them sticking their heads in the ground like an ostrich. Their problem, not mine.

    The only moral responsibility we have in regards to the rest of the world is not to blow them up in drone strikes, or stage coups in their countries. There is absolutely no duty to take in refugee/economic immigrant one from any of these countries.

    • Replies: @Moshe
    @Sunbeam

    I'm with you except that I'd go further and aay we have NO moral responsibilities to the world so long as we are actually a "WE".

    In an imaginary world where citizenism is the culture of the land; where we look outbfor each other and regard each other as "fellow Americans" and not hyphenated americans I propose that we have no noral responsibility to rhe world but do as we will.

    There was all sorts of obviously bullshit claims at the start of the Iraq War that to pay for the war we would be taking their oil. After all, Saddam was a bad guy and on behalf of planet earth we decided to get rid of him and so, we will take the oil money to do so.

    I doubt that anyone with seven working brain cells in the halls of power actually believed that this would occur, even though many sounded very convincing in their belief that it would, but my view is that it is a travesty that it did not occur. Once we have decided to invade the world, we may as well do it correctly and may as well do it in a way that benefits the American people as best as we can guess it would.

    What I've said about Jews, as an American citizenist, I apply precisely to Americans:

    "We are not perfect and do not claim to be. We are not here to virtue-signal as some fuckin light to all the benighted. We are overall good folks but nor perfect folks and make no claim to be "above average" in any respect and refuse to apologize or defend or accept our natural location as being in the defendant box. In fact we don't even give a shit if we are "over all good folks" or not. The berators are almost always wirse pieces of shit than we are and may, if they so desire, chain themselves to The Defense Table but we are having too much fun to even notice them or to care."

    As an American citizenist I would have mixed feelings about invading Canada for their oil but if we can reasonably safely take out some piece of shit country like DPRK or some semi POS country like Iran or Venezuela, well we'll make some effort to give the people good government but in exchange, we get a fair share of the loot.

    I have no problem with America being an empire so long as:

    A) We can do it fuckin intelligently and confidently and

    B) "America" means me you, the Post-Pacified ghetto and the country's hillbillies INSTEAD of wealthy intl corporations that happen to have an "American" in the CEO chair.

    Wishful thinking all of it but if I had my way we wouldn't be Nazis but we wouldn't be hand wringing Portnoyesque moral worriers either. We would stride forth as a united kingdom and acceot and increase our rightful place as that of the world's indisputable sole superpower.

    Fuck caring what our lessers think of our morality. If they were our noral and cultural equals, say as the Canadians, we would - probably - leave them alone. We admire fellow sophisticates and generally free nations, if they are otherwise, they can bite their mothers' stone cocks while we take their oil and jewels in exchange for placing an effective governor in place and civilizing them.

  17. And props to our generous, ahead of the curve host Steve. iSteve denizens already knew that the Emma Lazarus poem was added later on. That the Statue of Liberty was a gift from the French that commemorates liberty and America being a light unto the world.
    Now due to Steven Miller and Jim Acosta many more Americans know this. This meme should spread.

  18. @Realist
    US immigration law should read: Only those with an IQ of 130 or greater and an interest in STEM subjects, who speak English will be allowed to immigrate to the US.

    Replies: @NickG, @gregor, @3g4me

    Why do we want a bunch of foreign elite? Those are the ones capable of real damage.

    The Chinese will totally game the English test btw.

    • Replies: @diegodepaloma
    @gregor

    Letting in the Chinese is asking for a repeat of what they have done to Vancouver. A smart, rich, hard working cohesive people, the Chinese will rule Vancouver in 20 years.

    , @Realist
    @gregor

    By the fact that stupid people can vote, they always do much more damage than intelligent people.

  19. @dearieme
    @Clyde

    "technically isn't" is used when a better construction would be "obviously, undoubtedly isn't, you dolt"

    On t'other hand, is this really any worse than the stupidity of confusing the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution?


    Someone ought to collect together all the bogus bits commonly attributed to the Constitution. "Separation of Church and State" would be a decent beginning.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Cloudbuster

    No, “technically isn’t” means that it’s a mere technicality – that in reality it might as well be.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    "Substantively" it isn't US law.The Declaration of Independence, while substantively the documentary expression of US sovereignty, isn't technically US law. The Federalist Papers, while substantive documentation of original intent, aren't technically US law.

    We are well Through the Looking Glass at this point.

  20. @Anon
    Statue and Poem send contrasting messages and represent the contradiction at the heart of America.

    Statue stands for radiating American Ideals to the rest of the world. Teach the world to be free and choose liberty over tyranny. Statue believes that the world can be free, a world of liberty and progress. It is optimistic about the world.

    Poem stands for rescuing foreign peoples from the rest of the world. Save the people from weight of tyranny and backwardness. Poem believes that the world will always be rotten, and America is the ONLY sanctuary of security and prosperity. It is pessimistic about the world.

    Statue says American Ideals are universal and can light up the world.

    Poem says America is the only world of light and the rest of the world will remain dark and gloomy.

    So, there is no hope of radiating liberty. Only way to be free is to come to America.

    Statue says Americanism is an idea that can inspire the world since ideas can travel fast and spread all over the world. There is no need for people to come to America to enjoy Americanist freedoms. They can learn how to make the fire of liberty and light up their own nations.

    Poem says America is the only place with the light, the torch of freedom. And those who want to be free MUST make it to America or live in eternal gloom.

    In a way, both modes also define the contradiction within Jewish Ideology. The 'mercurean' universalism and the ethno-geo-particularism. After all, Jews say there are 'universal values' that must be spread all over the world by globalism. Yet, at the same time, they insist on ethno-nationalism of Israel and Jewish identity, and how it is specific to Jews.

    And current globalism is both 'statuesque' and 'poetic'. On the one hand, Jews do say that American values are universal and should be spread all over. New Americanism is supposedly 'diversity' and homomania, and so all the world should be made to follow.

    Yet, at the same time, Jews say America is unique and exceptional and that the ONLY WAY many people can be free and happy is by coming to America the Place. It's not enough for them to adopt American Ideas and Practices in their own nations.



    Another contradiction. Usually, when a people emphasize the value of Place, they are exclusionary and in defensive position. It's like Poles and Hungarians emphasize their home nations as Precious Places and defend them as their Turf.
    In contrast, when a people emphasize Ideals or Principles, they tend to be inclusive and universal as ideas can travel all over like dandelion seeds.

    But what's ironic about American Place-ism is that it is inclusive. It says America the Place is uniquely great and wonderful... and therefore, we should let the world invade it and take it from us. WTF.
    One might defend this on the basis of generosity and compassion. Sharing Eden with rest of mankind. But it's also stupid. I mean if you got something really good, why would you let others take it over, especially if your forebears made it into a great nation with much blood, sweat, and tears?

    Also, if Anglos and white gentiles are the ones who fundamentally pioneered and built America, who gave Jews the permission to offer it to the rest of the world?
    And are Jews really being generous? Or are they using non-white immigrants as proxy demographics against whites?
    I wonder... if all the immigrants coming were Anglos and Irishmen, would Jews really be all that enthused about more immigration? It would just lead to more white gentile power.

    Anyway, things are now worse because Europe was founded on different principles than the US but now going along the same path. Europe has deep rich history in race, culture, and soil. But the same ideology has been pushed on UK, Germany, France, Sweden, Italy, and etc.

    After WWII, all those nations gained something by adopting certain American principles of freedom and liberty. Japanese democracy also owes much to American Ideals. That was when Americanism was only 'statuesque'.
    But recently, it's turned 'poetic' in all the West, meaning that Europe(and even Japan) must become fellow 'colossuses' and take in huddled masses from Africa and Muslim world. Their Place-ism must follow the American model. Because their Places have nice things, it must be offered to invaders from all over the world.
    Of course, it doesn't apply to Israel. Jews feel they got something really nice in Israel. So, why share it with the world and lose it? Why not keep it for themselves. Poles and Hungarians still feel this way, and they are reviled as 'far right' and 'undemocratic'.
    Ideally, Poland and Hungary should be like UK and France that adopted the American Placism of surrendering Eden to others.

    Usually, if you have gold, you keep it.
    If you have rock, you can let others have it.

    And people always felt this way about territory. It is why Vikings called Iceland 'iceland' and Greenland 'greenland'. Iceland is actually nicer and greener than Greenland, which is mostly ice. So, to fool others, Vikings named greener Iceland 'iceland' and called very icy Greenland 'greenland'. Smart thinking. If you got something nice, others try to take it from you. It's like Old Man and the Sea. Old man caught a nice marlin, so all the sharks and other fish try to eat it and take it from him. So, you gotta make sure that others don't take it. It's like Germans always hungered for Russian lands, and Hitler made a power grab to send the huddled Germans to the Old Colossus of Mother Russia. Russia said Hell No. Mother Russia statue in Volgagrad is about defense of nation.

    America began with traditional sense of Place-ism. Anglos and Northern Europeans knew they had something really really good, and they intended to keep it for themselves. So, they let in similar peoples. Later, they needed more labor, and Anglos made the cataclysmic mistake of bringing blacks. As for eastern and southern Europeans, they could be Anglo-Americanized in time but only with immigration shutdown in the 20s.

    But with Jewish dominance, traditional sense of Place-ism was traded for Replacism. So, American Eden, the land of gold, is to be given to the world.

    It's like convincing someone to keep his rock but give up his gold. Oh, he will be loved and praised for such generosity.... only to discover upon being suckered that the world just sees him as a damned fool.

    Anyway, the Casino guy doesn't fall for the shtick. But whites fell for the shtick and turned the statue into santa claus to the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf2q0HemaFs

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    You’re making stuff up. Greenland is called Greenland because Erik the Red was seeking colonists to settle it and gave it a name that would make it appealing to Icelanders. If he called it Frozenwasteland no one would have come. Developers have been making up names to make their subdivisions sound better than they really are since forever.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    Actually you're making things up. That anecdote was global warming cultist revisionist history to hardware away the fact the earth heats and cools in cycles.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Redman

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    When legend becomes fact, print the legend.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/06/iceland-greenland-name-swap/

    Replies: @Jack D

  21. @Ali Choudhury
    Jewish Americans appear to be very opposed to moves to restrict immigration as they reckon similar policies would have kept their ancestors in Eastern European ghettoes and shtetls. If Trump keeps up his efforts on immigration, he is a lock for 2020. He is the one and only choice anti-immigrationists have.

    Replies: @Travis, @Anonymous

    so true, and he his rhetoric caused the left to openly advocate for increasing the number of refugees we admit, which is clearly not popular with voters. Especially Black voters, who despise immigrants. Although it is possible a democrat could take the populist path and advocate for a wall and reduced immigration. Even the NY times editorialized against amnesty because it hurt blacks and the working class when George Bush wanted another amnesty program in 2002. It is notable that Al Gore voted against the 1990 Immigration ACT , which increased Legal Immigration by 100% and created the diversity lottery. Not sure why no democrats would advocate for a reduction in Immigration, it is certainly a path to the White House.

  22. But that’s not hooeeyar!!!!

  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Statue and Poem send contrasting messages and represent the contradiction at the heart of America.

    Statue stands for radiating American Ideals to the rest of the world. Teach the world to be free and choose liberty over tyranny. Statue believes that the world can be free, a world of liberty and progress. It is optimistic about the world.

    Poem stands for rescuing foreign peoples from the rest of the world. Save the people from weight of tyranny and backwardness. Poem believes that the world will always be rotten, and America is the ONLY sanctuary of security and prosperity. It is pessimistic about the world.

    Statue says American Ideals are universal and can light up the world.

    Poem says America is the only world of light and the rest of the world will remain dark and gloomy.

    So, there is no hope of radiating liberty. Only way to be free is to come to America.

    Statue says Americanism is an idea that can inspire the world since ideas can travel fast and spread all over the world. There is no need for people to come to America to enjoy Americanist freedoms. They can learn how to make the fire of liberty and light up their own nations.

    Poem says America is the only place with the light, the torch of freedom. And those who want to be free MUST make it to America or live in eternal gloom.

    In a way, both modes also define the contradiction within Jewish Ideology. The 'mercurean' universalism and the ethno-geo-particularism. After all, Jews say there are 'universal values' that must be spread all over the world by globalism. Yet, at the same time, they insist on ethno-nationalism of Israel and Jewish identity, and how it is specific to Jews.

    And current globalism is both 'statuesque' and 'poetic'. On the one hand, Jews do say that American values are universal and should be spread all over. New Americanism is supposedly 'diversity' and homomania, and so all the world should be made to follow.

    Yet, at the same time, Jews say America is unique and exceptional and that the ONLY WAY many people can be free and happy is by coming to America the Place. It's not enough for them to adopt American Ideas and Practices in their own nations.



    Another contradiction. Usually, when a people emphasize the value of Place, they are exclusionary and in defensive position. It's like Poles and Hungarians emphasize their home nations as Precious Places and defend them as their Turf.
    In contrast, when a people emphasize Ideals or Principles, they tend to be inclusive and universal as ideas can travel all over like dandelion seeds.

    But what's ironic about American Place-ism is that it is inclusive. It says America the Place is uniquely great and wonderful... and therefore, we should let the world invade it and take it from us. WTF.
    One might defend this on the basis of generosity and compassion. Sharing Eden with rest of mankind. But it's also stupid. I mean if you got something really good, why would you let others take it over, especially if your forebears made it into a great nation with much blood, sweat, and tears?

    Also, if Anglos and white gentiles are the ones who fundamentally pioneered and built America, who gave Jews the permission to offer it to the rest of the world?
    And are Jews really being generous? Or are they using non-white immigrants as proxy demographics against whites?
    I wonder... if all the immigrants coming were Anglos and Irishmen, would Jews really be all that enthused about more immigration? It would just lead to more white gentile power.

    Anyway, things are now worse because Europe was founded on different principles than the US but now going along the same path. Europe has deep rich history in race, culture, and soil. But the same ideology has been pushed on UK, Germany, France, Sweden, Italy, and etc.

    After WWII, all those nations gained something by adopting certain American principles of freedom and liberty. Japanese democracy also owes much to American Ideals. That was when Americanism was only 'statuesque'.
    But recently, it's turned 'poetic' in all the West, meaning that Europe(and even Japan) must become fellow 'colossuses' and take in huddled masses from Africa and Muslim world. Their Place-ism must follow the American model. Because their Places have nice things, it must be offered to invaders from all over the world.
    Of course, it doesn't apply to Israel. Jews feel they got something really nice in Israel. So, why share it with the world and lose it? Why not keep it for themselves. Poles and Hungarians still feel this way, and they are reviled as 'far right' and 'undemocratic'.
    Ideally, Poland and Hungary should be like UK and France that adopted the American Placism of surrendering Eden to others.

    Usually, if you have gold, you keep it.
    If you have rock, you can let others have it.

    And people always felt this way about territory. It is why Vikings called Iceland 'iceland' and Greenland 'greenland'. Iceland is actually nicer and greener than Greenland, which is mostly ice. So, to fool others, Vikings named greener Iceland 'iceland' and called very icy Greenland 'greenland'. Smart thinking. If you got something nice, others try to take it from you. It's like Old Man and the Sea. Old man caught a nice marlin, so all the sharks and other fish try to eat it and take it from him. So, you gotta make sure that others don't take it. It's like Germans always hungered for Russian lands, and Hitler made a power grab to send the huddled Germans to the Old Colossus of Mother Russia. Russia said Hell No. Mother Russia statue in Volgagrad is about defense of nation.

    America began with traditional sense of Place-ism. Anglos and Northern Europeans knew they had something really really good, and they intended to keep it for themselves. So, they let in similar peoples. Later, they needed more labor, and Anglos made the cataclysmic mistake of bringing blacks. As for eastern and southern Europeans, they could be Anglo-Americanized in time but only with immigration shutdown in the 20s.

    But with Jewish dominance, traditional sense of Place-ism was traded for Replacism. So, American Eden, the land of gold, is to be given to the world.

    It's like convincing someone to keep his rock but give up his gold. Oh, he will be loved and praised for such generosity.... only to discover upon being suckered that the world just sees him as a damned fool.

    Anyway, the Casino guy doesn't fall for the shtick. But whites fell for the shtick and turned the statue into santa claus to the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf2q0HemaFs

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    Invade the World, Invite the World.

    The statue symbolizes American Liberty, which as we all know is the highest and purest form of government that has ever been seen or will be seen by man. It stands as an inspiration to all other peoples to aspire to, and if they don’t aspire to it on their own, we’ll bring it to their door whether they like it or not. After we’ve turned their land to rubble, Emma Lazarus provides the blanket and hot soup to the line of displaced.

  24. @JimB
    Trump can remove the Emma Lazarus poem from the base of the Statue of Liberty with his pen and his phone.

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not), @Jus' Sayin'..., @anonymous

    Do this and take the wind out of SJWs’ sails by relocating the plaque which contains Lazarus’s pathetic drivel to Ellis Island. Right beside it, in its new location, should be a plaque informing that, at the time Ellis Island was running full blast, persons with infectious diseases like TB, mental impairments like insanity and retardation, a complete inability to understand or respond to English, and/or a total lack of economic resources were eventually sent right back home.

  25. @unit472
    Maybe Trump could add this Lincoln quote to the pedestal at the Lincoln Memorial=

    Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.

    Replies: @European-American

    Not an actual quote by Lincoln, but an interesting story:

    Reverend James Mitchell of Indiana, later appointed Commissioner of Emigration, presented Lincoln with additional reasons why the Negroes should be colonized. Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people, he declared; as long as the Negroes continued to live with the whites they would constitute a threat to the national life. Family life might also collapse and the increase of “the mixed breed bastards,” might some day challenge the supremacy of the white man. Mitchell recommended the gradual colonization of the Negroes in Central America and Mexico. That region had once known a great empire and could become one again. This continent could then be divided between a race of mixed bloods and the Anglo-American.
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/a/alajournals/0599998.0006.003/35?view=pdf (p. 172)

    More about that particular failed attempt at voluntary ethnic cleansing by Abraham Lincoln:

    Linconia was the name of a proposed Central American colony suggested by United States Senator Samuel Pomeroy of Kansas in 1862, after U.S. President Abraham Lincoln asked the Senator and United States Secretary of the Interior Caleb Smith to work on a plan to resettle African Americans from the United States. …

    By 1862, Lincoln had decided that Chiriquí Province in Panama would be an ideal location to start an African-American colony. In August of that year, he invited a group of prominent African-Americans to the White House to discuss the plan. He stated that the area had “evidence of very rich coal mines…[and] among the finest [harbors] in the world.” The delegation reacted negatively to the plan. …

    … the Central American nations of Costa Rica, Nicaragua and Honduras felt threatened and informed Washington that they opposed this plan. … after being advised by Seward of the growing international outrage from the Central American nations, Lincoln decided to abandon the idea, angering Pomeroy who had already found 500 “pioneers.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linconia

  26. The Emma Lazarus poem needs to be removed from the Statue of Liberty. That goes without saying. Washington’s Farewell Address would make an excellent replacement.

    More importantly, America needs new monuments in New York harbor which will balance the Statue of Liberty.

    I propose two statues, one of Congressman Albert Johnson and the other of Senator David Reed, each larger than the Statue of Liberty, on either side of the Verazzano Narrows.

    The congressman and the senator will have hands outstretched in the “stop” gesture, like Isildur and Anarion at the falls of Argonath.

    At the base of one statue will be choice quotes from Benjamin Franklin’s Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, and at the base of the other statue will be a selection from John Jay’s Federalist #2.

    • Replies: @Njguy73
    @John Gruskos

    “Freedom is in danger of degenerating into mere arbitrariness unless it is lived in terms of responsibleness. That is why I recommend that the Statue of Liberty on the East Coast be supplemented by a Statue of Responsibility on the West Coast.”

    ― Viktor E. Frankl (1905-1997) Holocaust survivor, neurologist, psychiatrist

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Responsibility

  27. @Jack D
    @dearieme

    No, "technically isn't" means that it's a mere technicality - that in reality it might as well be.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Substantively” it isn’t US law.The Declaration of Independence, while substantively the documentary expression of US sovereignty, isn’t technically US law. The Federalist Papers, while substantive documentation of original intent, aren’t technically US law.

    We are well Through the Looking Glass at this point.

  28. Meanwhile, technically, not all Dreamers are rapists, but a surprising number are:

  29. @NickG
    @Realist

    130 is Mensa level. 1 Standard deviation above the US average would be just fine.

    Replies: @Thea, @Stan d Mute, @DRA

    We have nearly 400 million people. Surely some of them have above average IQ and an interest in STEM.

    Let’s find & nurture them first.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    @Thea

    Well, we do, actually, but (((they))) only want to pay median wages or less for such people.

    , @Moshe
    @Thea

    Yes.

    Before we go out of our way to ensure that every Foreigner with any sort of capability is watered and nourished so that he or she can fully express their abilities, let us do that for our fellow Americans.

    Many millions of extremely talented Americans are suffering in low-paying, low honor, non-creative jobs and unemployed status.

    Let's do what we can to get them a whiff of fresh air and the support that they need to express their creativity and abilities before we determine that the only way to improve our citizenry is to scour for Indians and Chinese who might, just might, fit into a laboratory somewhere If only they are given citizenship and allowed to suckle at the national teat for a while before we find out whether indeed they might, just might, contribute something, anything, to the national welfare.

    There is a wealth of millions of trillions of dollars buried in the hearts and minds of Americans who have been unable to find their way through the maze of our educational, social and legal system. Unless and until a DEFINITE Bach or Mencken or Feynman asks for citizenship so that he can do things FOR US that we would not have otherwise, let's leave the benighted peoples to their own devices and - for their sake and ours - help our fellow citizens rhrough the morass of the western system that is genetically or culturally difficult for them to understand despite their unmined skills and creativities.

  30. @Auntie Analogue
    Miller ought to have asked that Social Justice Warrior reporter these questions: "Don't you care about Americans first? Where in our Constitution - where in the Preamble - does it say that the United States, that "We the people," must continually take in all the world's foreigners that want to come here? How many more Americans have to lose their jobs to foreigners? How much more do you want your own countrymen to have to pay to Import The Third World Forever and Ever? Tell us this too: why do we need more people? Are you aware of the disproportionately long time that legal immigrants stay on disproportionately high amounts of welfare paid for by your own countrymen? With automation eliminating thousands of jobs, do you think it makes sense to Import Endless Millions of unskilled, uneducated foreigners? Don't you care about the Environmental Impact on our country from the hordes of foreigners making it necessary to build more urban sprawl and to consume more resources?"

    Replies: @Detective Club, @Harry Baldwin, @Desiderius, @3g4me

    Good question, but Acosta wasn’t answering any questions. He wasn’t even asking a question, really. He was making a long, rambling, incoherent statement that it’s immoral and unAmerican for the US to limit the number of people allowed into it

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Harry Baldwin

    exactly correct....as Miler pointed out - we have always restricted immigration and for a long time after the poem was placed near the Statue of Liberty we banned Asians from immigrating.

    The question Miller asked needs to be answered. Why was it acceptable to limit Legal Immigration to 300,000 people in 1970 ? during the 1980's Legal immigration was just 400,000 per year from 1980-1986 yet America thrived, our GDP grew faster than today with far fewer immigrants.

    People like Acosta never answer these questions. What is the number of immigrants we should allow in ? Is 900,000 the perfect number ? or 1.2 million ? or 2.5 million ? why do we restrict the 2 billion who desire to immigrate ? If we must accept all the worlds poor huddled masses why did Obama restrict our acceptance of refugees to 61,500 per year during his fist 7 years in office ? Yet few liberals complained when Obama denied entrance to 98% of the refugees and 99% of the muslims who wish to migrate to America were rejected during the Obama years.

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Harry Baldwin

    "but Acosta wasn’t answering any questions", is the way I saw it too.

    So Miller should have said, "Look, you asked me a question and I am trying to answer it but you're talking right over me. Now I'm trying to ask you a question. If you don't stop talking while I'm speaking you will be removed from the premises."

    And then made good on the threat by having security grab him by the scruff of the neck and seat of the pants and haul him out.

    Acosta's behavior reminds me of the students at Mizzou and Yale, finger snapping and jabbering while someone who has the authority to speak on behalf of the establishment tries to reason with them.

    When I was a student teacher I watched in amazement as my cooperating teacher (known as a nice guy) slammed a yardstick down on his desk on the first day of classes and angrily kicked one unruly kid out of class. Needless to say, there were no discipline problems from then on.

  31. @Harry Baldwin
    @Auntie Analogue

    Good question, but Acosta wasn't answering any questions. He wasn't even asking a question, really. He was making a long, rambling, incoherent statement that it's immoral and unAmerican for the US to limit the number of people allowed into it

    Replies: @Travis, @ThreeCranes

    exactly correct….as Miler pointed out – we have always restricted immigration and for a long time after the poem was placed near the Statue of Liberty we banned Asians from immigrating.

    The question Miller asked needs to be answered. Why was it acceptable to limit Legal Immigration to 300,000 people in 1970 ? during the 1980’s Legal immigration was just 400,000 per year from 1980-1986 yet America thrived, our GDP grew faster than today with far fewer immigrants.

    People like Acosta never answer these questions. What is the number of immigrants we should allow in ? Is 900,000 the perfect number ? or 1.2 million ? or 2.5 million ? why do we restrict the 2 billion who desire to immigrate ? If we must accept all the worlds poor huddled masses why did Obama restrict our acceptance of refugees to 61,500 per year during his fist 7 years in office ? Yet few liberals complained when Obama denied entrance to 98% of the refugees and 99% of the muslims who wish to migrate to America were rejected during the Obama years.

  32. @Anon
    Statue and Poem send contrasting messages and represent the contradiction at the heart of America.

    Statue stands for radiating American Ideals to the rest of the world. Teach the world to be free and choose liberty over tyranny. Statue believes that the world can be free, a world of liberty and progress. It is optimistic about the world.

    Poem stands for rescuing foreign peoples from the rest of the world. Save the people from weight of tyranny and backwardness. Poem believes that the world will always be rotten, and America is the ONLY sanctuary of security and prosperity. It is pessimistic about the world.

    Statue says American Ideals are universal and can light up the world.

    Poem says America is the only world of light and the rest of the world will remain dark and gloomy.

    So, there is no hope of radiating liberty. Only way to be free is to come to America.

    Statue says Americanism is an idea that can inspire the world since ideas can travel fast and spread all over the world. There is no need for people to come to America to enjoy Americanist freedoms. They can learn how to make the fire of liberty and light up their own nations.

    Poem says America is the only place with the light, the torch of freedom. And those who want to be free MUST make it to America or live in eternal gloom.

    In a way, both modes also define the contradiction within Jewish Ideology. The 'mercurean' universalism and the ethno-geo-particularism. After all, Jews say there are 'universal values' that must be spread all over the world by globalism. Yet, at the same time, they insist on ethno-nationalism of Israel and Jewish identity, and how it is specific to Jews.

    And current globalism is both 'statuesque' and 'poetic'. On the one hand, Jews do say that American values are universal and should be spread all over. New Americanism is supposedly 'diversity' and homomania, and so all the world should be made to follow.

    Yet, at the same time, Jews say America is unique and exceptional and that the ONLY WAY many people can be free and happy is by coming to America the Place. It's not enough for them to adopt American Ideas and Practices in their own nations.



    Another contradiction. Usually, when a people emphasize the value of Place, they are exclusionary and in defensive position. It's like Poles and Hungarians emphasize their home nations as Precious Places and defend them as their Turf.
    In contrast, when a people emphasize Ideals or Principles, they tend to be inclusive and universal as ideas can travel all over like dandelion seeds.

    But what's ironic about American Place-ism is that it is inclusive. It says America the Place is uniquely great and wonderful... and therefore, we should let the world invade it and take it from us. WTF.
    One might defend this on the basis of generosity and compassion. Sharing Eden with rest of mankind. But it's also stupid. I mean if you got something really good, why would you let others take it over, especially if your forebears made it into a great nation with much blood, sweat, and tears?

    Also, if Anglos and white gentiles are the ones who fundamentally pioneered and built America, who gave Jews the permission to offer it to the rest of the world?
    And are Jews really being generous? Or are they using non-white immigrants as proxy demographics against whites?
    I wonder... if all the immigrants coming were Anglos and Irishmen, would Jews really be all that enthused about more immigration? It would just lead to more white gentile power.

    Anyway, things are now worse because Europe was founded on different principles than the US but now going along the same path. Europe has deep rich history in race, culture, and soil. But the same ideology has been pushed on UK, Germany, France, Sweden, Italy, and etc.

    After WWII, all those nations gained something by adopting certain American principles of freedom and liberty. Japanese democracy also owes much to American Ideals. That was when Americanism was only 'statuesque'.
    But recently, it's turned 'poetic' in all the West, meaning that Europe(and even Japan) must become fellow 'colossuses' and take in huddled masses from Africa and Muslim world. Their Place-ism must follow the American model. Because their Places have nice things, it must be offered to invaders from all over the world.
    Of course, it doesn't apply to Israel. Jews feel they got something really nice in Israel. So, why share it with the world and lose it? Why not keep it for themselves. Poles and Hungarians still feel this way, and they are reviled as 'far right' and 'undemocratic'.
    Ideally, Poland and Hungary should be like UK and France that adopted the American Placism of surrendering Eden to others.

    Usually, if you have gold, you keep it.
    If you have rock, you can let others have it.

    And people always felt this way about territory. It is why Vikings called Iceland 'iceland' and Greenland 'greenland'. Iceland is actually nicer and greener than Greenland, which is mostly ice. So, to fool others, Vikings named greener Iceland 'iceland' and called very icy Greenland 'greenland'. Smart thinking. If you got something nice, others try to take it from you. It's like Old Man and the Sea. Old man caught a nice marlin, so all the sharks and other fish try to eat it and take it from him. So, you gotta make sure that others don't take it. It's like Germans always hungered for Russian lands, and Hitler made a power grab to send the huddled Germans to the Old Colossus of Mother Russia. Russia said Hell No. Mother Russia statue in Volgagrad is about defense of nation.

    America began with traditional sense of Place-ism. Anglos and Northern Europeans knew they had something really really good, and they intended to keep it for themselves. So, they let in similar peoples. Later, they needed more labor, and Anglos made the cataclysmic mistake of bringing blacks. As for eastern and southern Europeans, they could be Anglo-Americanized in time but only with immigration shutdown in the 20s.

    But with Jewish dominance, traditional sense of Place-ism was traded for Replacism. So, American Eden, the land of gold, is to be given to the world.

    It's like convincing someone to keep his rock but give up his gold. Oh, he will be loved and praised for such generosity.... only to discover upon being suckered that the world just sees him as a damned fool.

    Anyway, the Casino guy doesn't fall for the shtick. But whites fell for the shtick and turned the statue into santa claus to the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf2q0HemaFs

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    Poem stands for

    The poem is unmitigated hubris and vanity. It says “we’re so exceptional that we can take your worst and recreate them into the best.”

    Nemesis now wreaks her havoc.

  33. Stephen Miller rebuked the reporter for his “cosmopolitan bias.” I think he meant globalist bias. Calling someone a cosmopolitan would be a compliment. The opposite of a cosmopolitan is a provincial.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Mark Caplan

    Cosmopolitan means "citizen of the world" as opposed to a specific place, for instance America.

    It would have been a good, accurate dig/diagnosis of Acosta's malady but it wasn't really the problem in this specific instance. In this case, it was ironically Acosta's own (progtard) provincialism that was at fault.

    Replies: @Off The Street

  34. @Auntie Analogue
    Miller ought to have asked that Social Justice Warrior reporter these questions: "Don't you care about Americans first? Where in our Constitution - where in the Preamble - does it say that the United States, that "We the people," must continually take in all the world's foreigners that want to come here? How many more Americans have to lose their jobs to foreigners? How much more do you want your own countrymen to have to pay to Import The Third World Forever and Ever? Tell us this too: why do we need more people? Are you aware of the disproportionately long time that legal immigrants stay on disproportionately high amounts of welfare paid for by your own countrymen? With automation eliminating thousands of jobs, do you think it makes sense to Import Endless Millions of unskilled, uneducated foreigners? Don't you care about the Environmental Impact on our country from the hordes of foreigners making it necessary to build more urban sprawl and to consume more resources?"

    Replies: @Detective Club, @Harry Baldwin, @Desiderius, @3g4me

    No, the purpose of a press conference is for the press to ask questions and for the administration to answer them. Miller’s not there to ask anything.

    He should have ignored (i.e. AMOGed) Acosta.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    This works great if you have a real functioning press corp but what if the press consists of Democrat party operatives with bylines? For 8 years they lobbed nothing but softballs at Obama but when Trump comes out they throw for the head and then when you charge at them they tell you that you're the one that's playing dirty. They are doing everything they can to get Trump off of Twitter because they want to own the megaphone and turn the switch off whenever it suits them.

    Replies: @Forbes

  35. @Mark Caplan
    Stephen Miller rebuked the reporter for his "cosmopolitan bias." I think he meant globalist bias. Calling someone a cosmopolitan would be a compliment. The opposite of a cosmopolitan is a provincial.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Cosmopolitan means “citizen of the world” as opposed to a specific place, for instance America.

    It would have been a good, accurate dig/diagnosis of Acosta’s malady but it wasn’t really the problem in this specific instance. In this case, it was ironically Acosta’s own (progtard) provincialism that was at fault.

    • Replies: @Off The Street
    @Desiderius

    Additional interpretation of Miller's remark is to prime audience about cosmopolitans to immunize them against any rootless cosmopolitan discussion.

  36. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @JimB

    That's right! Liberty Island (formerly Bedloe's Island) is part of the National Park System, which is under the administration of the Department of the Interior. No federal laws are needed.

    As I have proposed before, the plaque should be removed as an ahistorical excrescence, melted down, and the bronze used as medals to reward US Border Patrol agents who display conspicuous gallantry above and beyond the call of duty in performance of their duties. The precedent here is the use of melted down Russian cannon, captured by Britain during the Crimean War, to make Victoria Crosses. They should be called the Trump Cross.

    Just hearing the howls of outrage from the border-busters would be sweet music to any patriot's ears.

    Replies: @JimB, @Jack Hanson

    I prefer the Emma Lazarus plaque be melted down to make bullets for the border patrol.

  37. CNN’s Jim Acosta. Typical LIAR (Low Information American Reporter).

    If it weren’t for cliches and a retarded liberal narrative, would Jim Acosta * have anything at all to say?

    Well, what can be said about Mr. Acosta other than he is the synecdoche for American journalism.

    Were Mick to host a news conference he’d give Mr. Acosta the first question and let him ramble off into the progressive brambles before Mick would launch a full scale fact attack at him that would, hopefully, do unimaginable collateral damage to the other twerps of the Washington press corps.

    Mr. Acosta lives inside the Washington Press Corp which is a

    
https://youtu.be/OmUCzmoXmL0

    * Don’t you wish he were in a basket of deportables? Mick does too.

    • Replies: @res
    @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque


    Typical LIAR (Low Information American Reporter).
     
    Nice acronym. I hope it becomes popular.
  38. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @JimB

    That's right! Liberty Island (formerly Bedloe's Island) is part of the National Park System, which is under the administration of the Department of the Interior. No federal laws are needed.

    As I have proposed before, the plaque should be removed as an ahistorical excrescence, melted down, and the bronze used as medals to reward US Border Patrol agents who display conspicuous gallantry above and beyond the call of duty in performance of their duties. The precedent here is the use of melted down Russian cannon, captured by Britain during the Crimean War, to make Victoria Crosses. They should be called the Trump Cross.

    Just hearing the howls of outrage from the border-busters would be sweet music to any patriot's ears.

    Replies: @JimB, @Jack Hanson

    I wish they’d make the Newton-Azrak outta those.

  39. @Jack D
    @Anon

    You're making stuff up. Greenland is called Greenland because Erik the Red was seeking colonists to settle it and gave it a name that would make it appealing to Icelanders. If he called it Frozenwasteland no one would have come. Developers have been making up names to make their subdivisions sound better than they really are since forever.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Anon

    Actually you’re making things up. That anecdote was global warming cultist revisionist history to hardware away the fact the earth heats and cools in cycles.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    There is no doubt that the climate of Greenland got worse in the Little Ice Age and this probably killed off the European settlers who had settled in an earlier warming period (the Inuit do OK because they figured out how to live in the Arctic without growing crops) but the story of how Greenland got the name has nothing to do with that.

    Most of Greenland is and has for the last 3 million years been covered in ice (in some places up to two miles thick) except for a small portion in the south. The southern area might have been a little bigger and a little greener when Erikson showed up but he didn't call it 80% Ice and 20% Green Land for a reason - accentuate the positive.

    Of course climate is cyclical (20,000 years ago Connecticut was also under a mile high ice cap) but most of Greenland was never green in human history. Even the ice free area is not really suited for agriculture - it's mostly Arctic tundra which doesn't support trees or crops. It's amazing that the Norse were able to grow ANYTHING there for as long as they did even during a warm period. Erikson was fleeing a murder rap so desperate times call for desperate measures.

    , @Redman
    @Jack Hanson

    I think JackD's new handle should be Cliff Claven. Always quick with some trivial minutia of no relevance (and rarely documented) but usually misses the larger picture.

    He's not quite Tiny Duck, but getting close.

  40. @Jack D
    @Anon

    You're making stuff up. Greenland is called Greenland because Erik the Red was seeking colonists to settle it and gave it a name that would make it appealing to Icelanders. If he called it Frozenwasteland no one would have come. Developers have been making up names to make their subdivisions sound better than they really are since forever.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Anon

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    This article confirms exactly what I said:


    In the summer, Erik left to settle in the country he had found, which he called Greenland, as he said people would be attracted there if it had a favorable name.

    Thus, Iceland was named by a sad Viking and Greenland is the slogan of a medieval marketing scheme.
     

    Replies: @Anon

  41. We Old Stock Americans have to stomp on this “land of immigrants” nonsense. According to Ancestry.com, my family has lived in this country since Colonial times; and their ancestors were born in England, Scotland and northern Ireland in the 17th and 18th Centuries. I feel perfectly at home in this country because I have roots going back generations; and I want our elites to treat my homeland as an inheritance and an asset that needs good management to keep its value.

    I most emphatically DO NOT want more and more strangers from incompatible tribes coming to this country to treat it as a crashpad, a place for get-rich-quick schemes and a throwaway.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @advancedatheist

    Are you really sure that you are PURE Old Stock American? If you go back 12 generations (around 250 years) you have 4096 ancestors in that generation and another 4094 ancestors in all the subsequent generations, or 8190 total. Have you checked ALL 8190 of them? At some threshold you might have to deport yourself.

    Yes, thank the Lord there were no strangers from incompatible tribes who ever came this country to treat it as a place for get-rich-quick schemes. Powhatan can totally back you up on that.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Marat Said, @AM

  42. @dearieme
    @Clyde

    "technically isn't" is used when a better construction would be "obviously, undoubtedly isn't, you dolt"

    On t'other hand, is this really any worse than the stupidity of confusing the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution?


    Someone ought to collect together all the bogus bits commonly attributed to the Constitution. "Separation of Church and State" would be a decent beginning.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Cloudbuster

    For the list:

    Qualified Immunity
    Presumption of Constitutionality

  43. @Harry Baldwin
    @Auntie Analogue

    Good question, but Acosta wasn't answering any questions. He wasn't even asking a question, really. He was making a long, rambling, incoherent statement that it's immoral and unAmerican for the US to limit the number of people allowed into it

    Replies: @Travis, @ThreeCranes

    “but Acosta wasn’t answering any questions”, is the way I saw it too.

    So Miller should have said, “Look, you asked me a question and I am trying to answer it but you’re talking right over me. Now I’m trying to ask you a question. If you don’t stop talking while I’m speaking you will be removed from the premises.”

    And then made good on the threat by having security grab him by the scruff of the neck and seat of the pants and haul him out.

    Acosta’s behavior reminds me of the students at Mizzou and Yale, finger snapping and jabbering while someone who has the authority to speak on behalf of the establishment tries to reason with them.

    When I was a student teacher I watched in amazement as my cooperating teacher (known as a nice guy) slammed a yardstick down on his desk on the first day of classes and angrily kicked one unruly kid out of class. Needless to say, there were no discipline problems from then on.

  44. @Thea
    @NickG

    We have nearly 400 million people. Surely some of them have above average IQ and an interest in STEM.

    Let's find & nurture them first.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Moshe

    Well, we do, actually, but (((they))) only want to pay median wages or less for such people.

  45. @Anon
    @Jack D

    When legend becomes fact, print the legend.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/06/iceland-greenland-name-swap/

    Replies: @Jack D

    This article confirms exactly what I said:

    In the summer, Erik left to settle in the country he had found, which he called Greenland, as he said people would be attracted there if it had a favorable name.

    Thus, Iceland was named by a sad Viking and Greenland is the slogan of a medieval marketing scheme.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Like I said, you stick to facts, I stick to legend.

    Send the wretched refuse yearning to be free to Greenland.

  46. @advancedatheist
    We Old Stock Americans have to stomp on this “land of immigrants” nonsense. According to Ancestry.com, my family has lived in this country since Colonial times; and their ancestors were born in England, Scotland and northern Ireland in the 17th and 18th Centuries. I feel perfectly at home in this country because I have roots going back generations; and I want our elites to treat my homeland as an inheritance and an asset that needs good management to keep its value.

    I most emphatically DO NOT want more and more strangers from incompatible tribes coming to this country to treat it as a crashpad, a place for get-rich-quick schemes and a throwaway.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Are you really sure that you are PURE Old Stock American? If you go back 12 generations (around 250 years) you have 4096 ancestors in that generation and another 4094 ancestors in all the subsequent generations, or 8190 total. Have you checked ALL 8190 of them? At some threshold you might have to deport yourself.

    Yes, thank the Lord there were no strangers from incompatible tribes who ever came this country to treat it as a place for get-rich-quick schemes. Powhatan can totally back you up on that.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Jack D

    @44 Jack D: You are such an utterly predictable stereotype you'd be derided as an over-the-top exaggeration if you were a stock character in a penny dreadful novel.

    , @Marat Said
    @Jack D

    What, do you have continuous generations of ancestors who all bred when they were 12?
    When I go back in my family tree 250 years, I'm only 6 generations back, that is, a total of 128 ancestors I'd need to identify to account for them all at that point.
    12 generations back would take me to people born largely between 1570-1590, i.e. approximately 440 years ago.

    , @AM
    @Jack D


    Yes, thank the Lord there were no strangers from incompatible tribes who ever came this country to treat it as a place for get-rich-quick schemes.
     
    You're an atheist who thinks the faith of your grandparents was just the stupidest thing ever. But still, you've got a place to go when or if this hits the fan anyway.

    Meanwhile, this is it for my kids and I. My settler ancestors who yes, fought Indians and killed people helped build this place for my children and I.

    Please stop the insufferable moralizing on the point. You have no moral ground to stand on whatsoever. You can't even be bothered with the smallest investment into keeping your own heritage. I can't imagine what there's anything that you could offer when others are discussing strategies to keep theirs.
  47. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB
    Trump can remove the Emma Lazarus poem from the base of the Statue of Liberty with his pen and his phone.

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not), @Jus' Sayin'..., @anonymous

    And replace it with the 1st line of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which uh, is like technically – if you’re really anal about it – U.S. Law. (“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”)

    -or-

    Melt down the plaque and the statue and put the metal in the big beautiful wall.

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Lazarus Solution is easy. Cut the Gordian knot.

    Let Trump, as the head of the Executive branch, direct the US Park Service to remove and destroy the Lazarus plaque much as the US military and US government trash old Army, US Hospital, or Navy equipment when it is old and worn out.

    There is nothing that prevents him. He could do it overnight, the way Mayor Daley destroyed Meigs Field. Four guys with wrenches could do the job in fifteen minutes.

    If Trump did so, the current confusion over the enforceability of Emma’s Sephardi kvelling would be settled instanter.

    Even better, the effect on Our Friends would be as psychologically devastating as the destruction of Civil War statues.

    [Be still my heart!]

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Anonymous


    Even better, the effect on Our Friends would be as psychologically devastating as the destruction of Civil War statues.
     
    Even more so—Martha Raddatz would spontaneously combust. Demonic light would radiate from Chuck Schumer’s face before he explodes.

    https://youtu.be/fWcPwWR4C_w?t=1m58s
    , @Realist
    @Anonymous

    Excellent point. If it is right to remove statues of Southern war heroes then by all means remove that dumb ass poem from the Statue of Liberty

  49. @Jack D
    @Anon

    This article confirms exactly what I said:


    In the summer, Erik left to settle in the country he had found, which he called Greenland, as he said people would be attracted there if it had a favorable name.

    Thus, Iceland was named by a sad Viking and Greenland is the slogan of a medieval marketing scheme.
     

    Replies: @Anon

    Like I said, you stick to facts, I stick to legend.

    Send the wretched refuse yearning to be free to Greenland.

  50. @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    Actually you're making things up. That anecdote was global warming cultist revisionist history to hardware away the fact the earth heats and cools in cycles.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Redman

    There is no doubt that the climate of Greenland got worse in the Little Ice Age and this probably killed off the European settlers who had settled in an earlier warming period (the Inuit do OK because they figured out how to live in the Arctic without growing crops) but the story of how Greenland got the name has nothing to do with that.

    Most of Greenland is and has for the last 3 million years been covered in ice (in some places up to two miles thick) except for a small portion in the south. The southern area might have been a little bigger and a little greener when Erikson showed up but he didn’t call it 80% Ice and 20% Green Land for a reason – accentuate the positive.

    Of course climate is cyclical (20,000 years ago Connecticut was also under a mile high ice cap) but most of Greenland was never green in human history. Even the ice free area is not really suited for agriculture – it’s mostly Arctic tundra which doesn’t support trees or crops. It’s amazing that the Norse were able to grow ANYTHING there for as long as they did even during a warm period. Erikson was fleeing a murder rap so desperate times call for desperate measures.

  51. I have Dupuytren’s Contracture on my left hand so I know I am descended from Vikings:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dupuytren%27s_contracture

  52. @Desiderius
    @Auntie Analogue

    No, the purpose of a press conference is for the press to ask questions and for the administration to answer them. Miller's not there to ask anything.

    He should have ignored (i.e. AMOGed) Acosta.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This works great if you have a real functioning press corp but what if the press consists of Democrat party operatives with bylines? For 8 years they lobbed nothing but softballs at Obama but when Trump comes out they throw for the head and then when you charge at them they tell you that you’re the one that’s playing dirty. They are doing everything they can to get Trump off of Twitter because they want to own the megaphone and turn the switch off whenever it suits them.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Jack D

    Surely Trump is trolling the media--something the media is clueless about--as a way to influence the 24/7/365 news cycle. Otherwise the ankle-biting media would be seamlessly writing The Narrative. At least this way Trump says "jump" and media responds "how high," rather than the other way 'round as usual with Republican presidents.

  53. Miller’s remarks shocked many, even as supporters argue the symbolic poem technically isn’t US law.

    The subtext seems to be that the word “technically” means the same thing as “yet.”

    Just more proof that the left is actually proud of it’s ignorance.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @J1234

    I have a creeping fear that Ginsburg will write an opinion one day claiming that the poem has, via the magic of the 14th A., suddenly become U.S. law.

    One hopes if she does so it's the minority opinion. Otherwise, presidents will thenceforth openly declare they won't follow S.C. precedent.

  54. @NickG
    @Realist

    130 is Mensa level. 1 Standard deviation above the US average would be just fine.

    Replies: @Thea, @Stan d Mute, @DRA

    130 is Mensa level. 1 Standard deviation above the US average would be just fine.

    Mensa cutoff is 2% which means the score (i.e. “130”) cutoff is dependent on the test taken.

    2% means “one in fifty” which doesn’t seem all that smart when you consider all the folks who would want to come here if we did implement a cutoff. Plus, we have a BIG deficit to recover from as result of our past half century of third world immigration. I’d perhaps be more supportive of a 1% cutoff on IQ for all immigrants going forward. Too dumb? Stay home. We have plenty of Stupid here already!

    • Agree: Realist
  55. Will Snopes or politifact do a truth meter on this story? Will Acosta’s position be labeled as “mostly true”?

  56. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    CNN's Jim Acosta. Typical LIAR (Low Information American Reporter).


    If it weren't for cliches and a retarded liberal narrative, would Jim Acosta * have anything at all to say?

    Well, what can be said about Mr. Acosta other than he is the synecdoche for American journalism.

    Were Mick to host a news conference he'd give Mr. Acosta the first question and let him ramble off into the progressive brambles before Mick would launch a full scale fact attack at him that would, hopefully, do unimaginable collateral damage to the other twerps of the Washington press corps.


    Mr. Acosta lives inside the Washington Press Corp which is a

    
https://youtu.be/OmUCzmoXmL0




    * Don't you wish he were in a basket of deportables? Mick does too.

    Replies: @res

    Typical LIAR (Low Information American Reporter).

    Nice acronym. I hope it becomes popular.

    • Agree: Forbes
  57. @Anonymous
    The Lazarus Solution is easy. Cut the Gordian knot.

    Let Trump, as the head of the Executive branch, direct the US Park Service to remove and destroy the Lazarus plaque much as the US military and US government trash old Army, US Hospital, or Navy equipment when it is old and worn out.

    There is nothing that prevents him. He could do it overnight, the way Mayor Daley destroyed Meigs Field. Four guys with wrenches could do the job in fifteen minutes.

    If Trump did so, the current confusion over the enforceability of Emma's Sephardi kvelling would be settled instanter.

    Even better, the effect on Our Friends would be as psychologically devastating as the destruction of Civil War statues.

    [Be still my heart!]

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Realist

    Even better, the effect on Our Friends would be as psychologically devastating as the destruction of Civil War statues.

    Even more so—Martha Raddatz would spontaneously combust. Demonic light would radiate from Chuck Schumer’s face before he explodes.

  58. @Desiderius
    @Mark Caplan

    Cosmopolitan means "citizen of the world" as opposed to a specific place, for instance America.

    It would have been a good, accurate dig/diagnosis of Acosta's malady but it wasn't really the problem in this specific instance. In this case, it was ironically Acosta's own (progtard) provincialism that was at fault.

    Replies: @Off The Street

    Additional interpretation of Miller’s remark is to prime audience about cosmopolitans to immunize them against any rootless cosmopolitan discussion.

  59. @Auntie Analogue
    Miller ought to have asked that Social Justice Warrior reporter these questions: "Don't you care about Americans first? Where in our Constitution - where in the Preamble - does it say that the United States, that "We the people," must continually take in all the world's foreigners that want to come here? How many more Americans have to lose their jobs to foreigners? How much more do you want your own countrymen to have to pay to Import The Third World Forever and Ever? Tell us this too: why do we need more people? Are you aware of the disproportionately long time that legal immigrants stay on disproportionately high amounts of welfare paid for by your own countrymen? With automation eliminating thousands of jobs, do you think it makes sense to Import Endless Millions of unskilled, uneducated foreigners? Don't you care about the Environmental Impact on our country from the hordes of foreigners making it necessary to build more urban sprawl and to consume more resources?"

    Replies: @Detective Club, @Harry Baldwin, @Desiderius, @3g4me

    @7 Auntie Analogue: No, Acosta doesn’t give a rip about “fellow Americans” and doesn’t look at America as “our country.” He’s a Cuban, magic papers notwithstanding, and puts his people first, like everyone else in the world does except White European Christians.

  60. @Realist
    US immigration law should read: Only those with an IQ of 130 or greater and an interest in STEM subjects, who speak English will be allowed to immigrate to the US.

    Replies: @NickG, @gregor, @3g4me

    @12 Realist: Another IQ fetishist over thinking things. Oh great, a multicultural hot mess of bloviating midwits would be absolute paradise . . . NOT. The Alt-Right is perfectly fine with the normal IQ distribution curve of White IQ. As long as the criminals and idiots are OUR people, we can and will deal with them in our own way. Including eliminating them from the gene pool, as has been done for hundreds of years.

    You must find Academia quite rewarding. Good – stay there.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @3g4me

    As Steve has said elsewhere, high-IQ people whose interests do not align with the interests of the host population are worse long-term than stupid ones, because they can do more damage (there's an interesting debate going on in Australia at the moment, where Chinese oligarchs are funding Oz politicians - just wait til they start buying up the media).

  61. @Jack D
    @advancedatheist

    Are you really sure that you are PURE Old Stock American? If you go back 12 generations (around 250 years) you have 4096 ancestors in that generation and another 4094 ancestors in all the subsequent generations, or 8190 total. Have you checked ALL 8190 of them? At some threshold you might have to deport yourself.

    Yes, thank the Lord there were no strangers from incompatible tribes who ever came this country to treat it as a place for get-rich-quick schemes. Powhatan can totally back you up on that.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Marat Said, @AM

    @44 Jack D: You are such an utterly predictable stereotype you’d be derided as an over-the-top exaggeration if you were a stock character in a penny dreadful novel.

  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    Jewish Americans appear to be very opposed to moves to restrict immigration as they reckon similar policies would have kept their ancestors in Eastern European ghettoes and shtetls. If Trump keeps up his efforts on immigration, he is a lock for 2020. He is the one and only choice anti-immigrationists have.

    Replies: @Travis, @Anonymous

    It’s simpler than that. Most Jews live outside the U.S. That’s all there is to it. American Jews oppose borders between the U.S. and the world for essentially the same reason that citizens of (say) Ohio would oppose border control between their state and the rest of the U.S.

  63. Miller did great. I’m not suggesting I could have done better (I couldn’t have) but he sort of got lost in the numbers argument. The simple question he should have posed to Acosta was “What level of immigration, numerically, would meet the standards supposedly set by that stupid statue?” I see three possible answers:

    1) “X number of immigrants.” Response: so all we’re arguing over is a number? One number is racist, another is not?

    2) “We are not allowed to have a limit.” He wold never give an answer like that. It’s batshit craziness that speaks for itself.

    3) He dodges and ducks and refuses to answer. This is his most likely response. He *wants* to say there should be no limit, but he’s really not that stupid.

    If a person says they would allow 3 (as in 1,2,3) immigrants per year to a country of 330 million then it’s fair to say he is “anti-immigrant.” Once that number hits the tens of thousands all you’re arguing over is a number.

  64. @gregor
    @Realist

    Why do we want a bunch of foreign elite? Those are the ones capable of real damage.

    The Chinese will totally game the English test btw.

    Replies: @diegodepaloma, @Realist

    Letting in the Chinese is asking for a repeat of what they have done to Vancouver. A smart, rich, hard working cohesive people, the Chinese will rule Vancouver in 20 years.

  65. @Jack D
    @advancedatheist

    Are you really sure that you are PURE Old Stock American? If you go back 12 generations (around 250 years) you have 4096 ancestors in that generation and another 4094 ancestors in all the subsequent generations, or 8190 total. Have you checked ALL 8190 of them? At some threshold you might have to deport yourself.

    Yes, thank the Lord there were no strangers from incompatible tribes who ever came this country to treat it as a place for get-rich-quick schemes. Powhatan can totally back you up on that.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Marat Said, @AM

    What, do you have continuous generations of ancestors who all bred when they were 12?
    When I go back in my family tree 250 years, I’m only 6 generations back, that is, a total of 128 ancestors I’d need to identify to account for them all at that point.
    12 generations back would take me to people born largely between 1570-1590, i.e. approximately 440 years ago.

  66. @John Gruskos
    The Emma Lazarus poem needs to be removed from the Statue of Liberty. That goes without saying. Washington's Farewell Address would make an excellent replacement.

    More importantly, America needs new monuments in New York harbor which will balance the Statue of Liberty.

    I propose two statues, one of Congressman Albert Johnson and the other of Senator David Reed, each larger than the Statue of Liberty, on either side of the Verazzano Narrows.

    The congressman and the senator will have hands outstretched in the "stop" gesture, like Isildur and Anarion at the falls of Argonath.

    At the base of one statue will be choice quotes from Benjamin Franklin's Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, and at the base of the other statue will be a selection from John Jay's Federalist #2.

    Replies: @Njguy73

    “Freedom is in danger of degenerating into mere arbitrariness unless it is lived in terms of responsibleness. That is why I recommend that the Statue of Liberty on the East Coast be supplemented by a Statue of Responsibility on the West Coast.”

    ― Viktor E. Frankl (1905-1997) Holocaust survivor, neurologist, psychiatrist

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Responsibility

  67. @Jack D
    @advancedatheist

    Are you really sure that you are PURE Old Stock American? If you go back 12 generations (around 250 years) you have 4096 ancestors in that generation and another 4094 ancestors in all the subsequent generations, or 8190 total. Have you checked ALL 8190 of them? At some threshold you might have to deport yourself.

    Yes, thank the Lord there were no strangers from incompatible tribes who ever came this country to treat it as a place for get-rich-quick schemes. Powhatan can totally back you up on that.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Marat Said, @AM

    Yes, thank the Lord there were no strangers from incompatible tribes who ever came this country to treat it as a place for get-rich-quick schemes.

    You’re an atheist who thinks the faith of your grandparents was just the stupidest thing ever. But still, you’ve got a place to go when or if this hits the fan anyway.

    Meanwhile, this is it for my kids and I. My settler ancestors who yes, fought Indians and killed people helped build this place for my children and I.

    Please stop the insufferable moralizing on the point. You have no moral ground to stand on whatsoever. You can’t even be bothered with the smallest investment into keeping your own heritage. I can’t imagine what there’s anything that you could offer when others are discussing strategies to keep theirs.

  68. @NickG
    @Realist

    130 is Mensa level. 1 Standard deviation above the US average would be just fine.

    Replies: @Thea, @Stan d Mute, @DRA

    Actually, Mensa is 2 standard deviations above the norm for Americans. One standardized deviation above that norm would be about 115 IQ, which is what you would get if you had regression to 100 IQ. And you would have to have a lot of such immigration to change the American average, if the only factor was genetics.

  69. Sort of on topic:

    Just found out that Obama changed the rules in 2010 so that people with dual citizenship can get security clearances. Trump should change it back.

  70. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    This works great if you have a real functioning press corp but what if the press consists of Democrat party operatives with bylines? For 8 years they lobbed nothing but softballs at Obama but when Trump comes out they throw for the head and then when you charge at them they tell you that you're the one that's playing dirty. They are doing everything they can to get Trump off of Twitter because they want to own the megaphone and turn the switch off whenever it suits them.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Surely Trump is trolling the media–something the media is clueless about–as a way to influence the 24/7/365 news cycle. Otherwise the ankle-biting media would be seamlessly writing The Narrative. At least this way Trump says “jump” and media responds “how high,” rather than the other way ’round as usual with Republican presidents.

  71. @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    Actually you're making things up. That anecdote was global warming cultist revisionist history to hardware away the fact the earth heats and cools in cycles.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Redman

    I think JackD’s new handle should be Cliff Claven. Always quick with some trivial minutia of no relevance (and rarely documented) but usually misses the larger picture.

    He’s not quite Tiny Duck, but getting close.

  72. Moshe says:
    @Sunbeam
    Not that I expect it to ever happen.

    But as a matter of personal sentiment I'd like to see the Statue of Liberty sent back to France, along with that Emma Lazarus inscription (which of course wasn't on it originally).

    Let them do what they want with it, they can pick up that torch if they wish.

    But I'm done with being "A light unto the world." Maybe I'm post-Christian or something, but let the world wallow in darkness. Actually it's more like the darkness is a result of them sticking their heads in the ground like an ostrich. Their problem, not mine.

    The only moral responsibility we have in regards to the rest of the world is not to blow them up in drone strikes, or stage coups in their countries. There is absolutely no duty to take in refugee/economic immigrant one from any of these countries.

    Replies: @Moshe

    I’m with you except that I’d go further and aay we have NO moral responsibilities to the world so long as we are actually a “WE”.

    In an imaginary world where citizenism is the culture of the land; where we look outbfor each other and regard each other as “fellow Americans” and not hyphenated americans I propose that we have no noral responsibility to rhe world but do as we will.

    There was all sorts of obviously bullshit claims at the start of the Iraq War that to pay for the war we would be taking their oil. After all, Saddam was a bad guy and on behalf of planet earth we decided to get rid of him and so, we will take the oil money to do so.

    I doubt that anyone with seven working brain cells in the halls of power actually believed that this would occur, even though many sounded very convincing in their belief that it would, but my view is that it is a travesty that it did not occur. Once we have decided to invade the world, we may as well do it correctly and may as well do it in a way that benefits the American people as best as we can guess it would.

    What I’ve said about Jews, as an American citizenist, I apply precisely to Americans:

    “We are not perfect and do not claim to be. We are not here to virtue-signal as some fuckin light to all the benighted. We are overall good folks but nor perfect folks and make no claim to be “above average” in any respect and refuse to apologize or defend or accept our natural location as being in the defendant box. In fact we don’t even give a shit if we are “over all good folks” or not. The berators are almost always wirse pieces of shit than we are and may, if they so desire, chain themselves to The Defense Table but we are having too much fun to even notice them or to care.”

    As an American citizenist I would have mixed feelings about invading Canada for their oil but if we can reasonably safely take out some piece of shit country like DPRK or some semi POS country like Iran or Venezuela, well we’ll make some effort to give the people good government but in exchange, we get a fair share of the loot.

    I have no problem with America being an empire so long as:

    A) We can do it fuckin intelligently and confidently and

    B) “America” means me you, the Post-Pacified ghetto and the country’s hillbillies INSTEAD of wealthy intl corporations that happen to have an “American” in the CEO chair.

    Wishful thinking all of it but if I had my way we wouldn’t be Nazis but we wouldn’t be hand wringing Portnoyesque moral worriers either. We would stride forth as a united kingdom and acceot and increase our rightful place as that of the world’s indisputable sole superpower.

    Fuck caring what our lessers think of our morality. If they were our noral and cultural equals, say as the Canadians, we would – probably – leave them alone. We admire fellow sophisticates and generally free nations, if they are otherwise, they can bite their mothers’ stone cocks while we take their oil and jewels in exchange for placing an effective governor in place and civilizing them.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  73. Moshe says:
    @Thea
    @NickG

    We have nearly 400 million people. Surely some of them have above average IQ and an interest in STEM.

    Let's find & nurture them first.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Moshe

    Yes.

    Before we go out of our way to ensure that every Foreigner with any sort of capability is watered and nourished so that he or she can fully express their abilities, let us do that for our fellow Americans.

    Many millions of extremely talented Americans are suffering in low-paying, low honor, non-creative jobs and unemployed status.

    Let’s do what we can to get them a whiff of fresh air and the support that they need to express their creativity and abilities before we determine that the only way to improve our citizenry is to scour for Indians and Chinese who might, just might, fit into a laboratory somewhere If only they are given citizenship and allowed to suckle at the national teat for a while before we find out whether indeed they might, just might, contribute something, anything, to the national welfare.

    There is a wealth of millions of trillions of dollars buried in the hearts and minds of Americans who have been unable to find their way through the maze of our educational, social and legal system. Unless and until a DEFINITE Bach or Mencken or Feynman asks for citizenship so that he can do things FOR US that we would not have otherwise, let’s leave the benighted peoples to their own devices and – for their sake and ours – help our fellow citizens rhrough the morass of the western system that is genetically or culturally difficult for them to understand despite their unmined skills and creativities.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  74. @3g4me
    @Realist

    @12 Realist: Another IQ fetishist over thinking things. Oh great, a multicultural hot mess of bloviating midwits would be absolute paradise . . . NOT. The Alt-Right is perfectly fine with the normal IQ distribution curve of White IQ. As long as the criminals and idiots are OUR people, we can and will deal with them in our own way. Including eliminating them from the gene pool, as has been done for hundreds of years.

    You must find Academia quite rewarding. Good - stay there.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    As Steve has said elsewhere, high-IQ people whose interests do not align with the interests of the host population are worse long-term than stupid ones, because they can do more damage (there’s an interesting debate going on in Australia at the moment, where Chinese oligarchs are funding Oz politicians – just wait til they start buying up the media).

  75. @J1234

    Miller's remarks shocked many, even as supporters argue the symbolic poem technically isn't US law.
     
    The subtext seems to be that the word "technically" means the same thing as "yet."

    Just more proof that the left is actually proud of it's ignorance.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    I have a creeping fear that Ginsburg will write an opinion one day claiming that the poem has, via the magic of the 14th A., suddenly become U.S. law.

    One hopes if she does so it’s the minority opinion. Otherwise, presidents will thenceforth openly declare they won’t follow S.C. precedent.

  76. @Anonymous
    The Lazarus Solution is easy. Cut the Gordian knot.

    Let Trump, as the head of the Executive branch, direct the US Park Service to remove and destroy the Lazarus plaque much as the US military and US government trash old Army, US Hospital, or Navy equipment when it is old and worn out.

    There is nothing that prevents him. He could do it overnight, the way Mayor Daley destroyed Meigs Field. Four guys with wrenches could do the job in fifteen minutes.

    If Trump did so, the current confusion over the enforceability of Emma's Sephardi kvelling would be settled instanter.

    Even better, the effect on Our Friends would be as psychologically devastating as the destruction of Civil War statues.

    [Be still my heart!]

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Realist

    Excellent point. If it is right to remove statues of Southern war heroes then by all means remove that dumb ass poem from the Statue of Liberty

  77. @gregor
    @Realist

    Why do we want a bunch of foreign elite? Those are the ones capable of real damage.

    The Chinese will totally game the English test btw.

    Replies: @diegodepaloma, @Realist

    By the fact that stupid people can vote, they always do much more damage than intelligent people.

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