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From The American Interest, a right of center magazine founded in 2005 by Francis Fukuyama, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Eliot Cohen & Josef Joffe:

How the Golden State Became the Intellectual Capital of Trump’s GOP

JASON WILLICK & JAMES HITCHCOCK

California’s late 20th-century political history helps explain its outsized role in the pro-Trump intellectual right. Heresies tend to thrive on the periphery of a regime rather than in the halls of power. … Since William F. Buckley’s rise to prominence, the intellectual capital of the American right has lain along the Washington-New York axis, home to a sprawling complex of journals and think tanks that define and develop conservative orthodoxy. …

Unlike these earlier heresies, Trumpism has thoroughly laid waste to the establishment GOP’s defenses, and it has done so overwhelmingly through the force of populist media, like Twitter, Facebook, talk radio, Fox News, and lowbrow blogs. Support for the Republican nominee among the legions of credentialed writers and scholars in the capital of right-wing intelligentsia is sparse (though not nonexistent).

And Trumpism certainly has no institutional base in posh Washington think tanks or erudite New York City editorial boards.

Over the course of this tumultuous election year, however, a Trump-friendly intellectual base has come into focus—far from the Atlantic Coast, in a territory so thoroughly in the grips of liberal politics that it might be said to be seceding from the Washington-New York conservative empire altogether: the State of California.

Who are the Golden State thinkers who have helped build a sophisticated case for the proudly unsophisticated presidential candidate? In the northern half of the state, there’s Victor Davis Hanson, the celebrated Hoover Institution classicist who has favorably described Trump as a “D-11 bulldozer blade” against a bankrupt Acela establishment, and Ron Unz, an idiosyncratic Bay Area political activist and entrepreneur who publishes the Unz Review, a Trump-friendly, highbrow online journal with a devoted following.

[Mencius Moldbug], the software developer and founding blogger of “neoreactionary” thought—an anti-democratic ideology popular among a slice of Silicon Valley engineers—also lives in the Bay Area.

I try to follow the courtesy of using a pseudonym unless I’m sure the author wants his real name used.

Though [Moldbug’s] writings are more philosophical than political and he has never explicitly given Trump his stamp of approval, he is widely cited on the pro-Trump alt-right. In particular, he has been associated with Peter Thiel, the billionaire San Francisco author, entrepreneur, and lapsed libertarian granted a prime-time speaking slot at the GOP convention in Cleveland.

Venturing hundreds of miles down the Pacific Coast, past the Monterey Bay and across the San Gabriel Mountains, there’s Steve Sailer, a controversial, widely read right-wing blogger based in Los Angeles known for pioneering the concept of “human biodiversity”—another pillar of the alt-right—and Mickey Kaus, the former New Republic writer and author-turned-anti-immigration wonk who started boosting the eventual nominee on his data-heavy blog early in the primaries.

I’ll probably wind up with my tombstone reading:

Here lies controversial Steve Sailer

The American Interest goes on:

Finally, the Claremont Institute—a conservative think tank also headquartered in Los Angeles County—brings the most brainpower and organizational heft to the pro-Trump intellectual project. “Publius Decius Mus,” a pseudonymous writer for the Claremont Review of Books, made waves last month with a scorched-earth screed (“The Flight 93 Election”) in defense of the candidate and against the alleged impotence of New York-Washington conservative thought leaders in the face of the country’s relentless leftward march. The California publication followed up on this lengthy treatise with another piece, “After the Republic,” in which international relations scholar Angelo Codevilla pronounces the American democratic experiment dead and identifies the selection of a post-republican emperor as the sole remaining task for principled conservatives in 2016. A recently published list of pro-Trump intellectuals disproportionately consisted of signatories who were either Claremont scholars or alumni of Claremont Graduate University.

We don’t know how Trump would have performed in the Golden State primary; the nomination was his before June.

Trump got 75% of the vote in the California GOP primary, although Cruz had already conceded.

California may or may not have been unusual electorally, but its over-representation in the pro-Trump intellectual world is unmistakable. What explains the distinctive temptation of highbrow reaction along the deep-blue lower Pacific Coast?

First, California has 38 million people and some of them are even kind of smart.

If we count a bunch of writers who haven’t even necessarily said they support Trump, but are concerned about the immigration issue, plus a number of other people, few of whom have more than sixth degree influence on Trump, it’s not hard to make a trend story up about California’s renegade intellectuals.

The one writer who clearly has strong influence on Trump is his speechwriter Stephen Miller, who grew up in Santa Monica, where he was a conservative opinion child prodigy of sorts. (He’s not mentioned in the article.)

Yet, Miller left California twelve years ago for Duke U. and has spent most of his time since in the East. I would imagine that the most formative event that helped make him a more independent-minded conservative thinker was getting plunged into the Duke Lacrosse Hoax when he was a columnist for the Duke school newspaper in 2006 and bravely took on the entire establishment who were trying to frame his fellow students. Talk about eye-opening …

The era of Republican dominance in California was finally broken in the 1990s and has since disappeared into the background at a breathtaking pace. … The single most visible cause of this shift was mass immigration—or, alternatively, the failure of California Republicans to adapt to immigration—which produced a demographic transformation of the Golden State without parallel in the rest of the country.

As opposed to everywhere else where Republicans have adapted well to immigration … In Texas, by the way, the solution has been massive white solidarity, with Romney getting 76% of the white vote in 2012.

The California that elected Reagan its Governor was about 80 percent white and 12 percent Hispanic; today, those figures are 38 percent and 39 percent, respectively. In other words, California squeezed into forty years a transformation that is expected to take at least a century for America as a whole (if it takes place at all, given rates of assimilation and ethnic attrition) and which many Trump supporters clearly resent and fear. The only state with a comparable post-1970 experience is New York, which is historically more accustomed than the Golden State to absorbing large immigrant populations.

But of course the nice New York Republicans have adapted so well to immigration that they dominate state politics. Oh, wait …

California turned bluer in the 1990s as immigration flows soared, but the explosion of ethnic diversity helped fuel spasms of populist reaction with a distinctively Trumpian hue.

Yeah, that Pete Wilson … practically Hitler …

In 1992, in response to a perceived outbreak of political correctness on college campuses, the California State Legislature made national news by outlawing private colleges from banning constitutionally protected speech critical of minorities. In 1994, voters passed Proposition 187 by popular referendum, cutting access to welfare benefits and public schooling for unauthorized immigrants, and Proposition 184, imposing a draconian “three-strikes” criminal justice system. In 1996, in response to the perception that minorities were getting an unfair admissions advantage in the UC system, voters passed Proposition 209, banning affirmative action in public institutions. And in 1998, they passed Proposition 228, prohibiting Spanish-language instruction for immigrants at the state’s public schools.

Instead, California Republicans should have just put illegal aliens on the Path to Citizenship and then their Natural Conservatism would have overwhelmingly manifested itself at the ballot box. If you don’t believe me, just ask Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY). He’ll tell you.

For America and much of the Western world, the 1990s were a period of end-of-history serenity. But if you focus on the Golden State, the decade offered a taste of the vituperative identity politics and nationalist resurgence now plainly visible across the West. It’s impossible to understand the intellectualized Trumpism of modern California sophisticates without reference to this tumultuous period.

Today, most of the Jacksonian measures of the 1990s have lost their force: Campus political correctness is back; courts struck down Proposition 187; voters have softened the criminal justice system; affirmative action, in another twist of demographic fate, is now the bête noire of Asians rather than whites; and a repeal of the 1998 bilingual education ban is on the ballot next month.

And the California GOP is all-but-extinct; a state once at the center of Republican politics is now finds itself on the fringes. The ideas developed by the official right’s Washington-New York brain trust seem to have little practical application. For the remaining pockets of reactionary true-believers with historical memories of the Golden State of Nixon and Reagan, one can start to see how Trumpism—a take-no-prisoners, rearguard attack on America’s democratic institutions in lieu of actual proposals for governing—might seem like the only way to restore the politically hospitable California of yore, or, if that’s not possible, prevent America at large from undergoing the same progressive evolution. Indeed, this is very close to the argument Decius makes. (It seems far more likely, for the record, that the reverse is true—that a President Trump would condemn the American right as we know it to long-term irrelevance with his racial antagonism and sheer incompetence).

How California’s diminished Republican Party and the conservative establishment at large should respond to these developments is a topic for another day. What is clear is that, like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, East Coast leaders of conservative thought are watching as heresies ferment and proliferate on the margins of their domain. In early Christendom, these challenges lasted centuries, and some heresies were never fully extinguished, but Roman Christians ultimately repositioned their church as the primary steward and author of the faith in Europe. Whether the embattled intellectuals in conservatism’s Northeastern capital can marginalize their own fringe and enjoy a similar period of renewal remains to be seen. As of 2016, the hinterland heretics are still very much on the march.

Jason Willick is a staff writer at The American Interest. James Hitchcock is an assistant editor at RealClearPolitics.

Well … okay!

Anyway, I would say that political intellectuals who live in California tend to be not adequately careerist. To be somebody in 21st Century America’s opinion business, you pretty much have to live in Washington or New York, and socialize. For example, look at the hugely gifted Mark Steyn, who prefers to live in New Hampshire, at sizable cost to his career.

The ambitious in New York and Washington tend to develop-go-along-to-get-along opinions. This isn’t universally true — DC native Pat Buchanan is such a likable man that he’s managed to make a career despite the rage of the neocons against him.

Beverly Hills HS, 1968: Student body president Mickey Kaus discusses the Velvet Underground’s music with two administrators while Lou Reed wonders how a high school kid cajoled him into playing this school assembly

The congenial SoCal immigration restrictionist Mickey Kaus is eminently clubbable — he was a popular insider of the talented generation of opinion journalists associated with Michael Kinsley.

But back East Mickey suffered from allergies. He’s from a distinguished Beverly Hills family (his father, a refugee from Vienna, was appointed to the state supreme court by Jerry Brown long ago), so presumably has a little bit of family money. That let him move home, which probably helped him become more heretical on immigration.

Mickey’s concern for balancing liberty and equality represents a sort of noblesse oblige. Being from California, that land of the future, has made him him more sophisticated about where the world is headed.

 
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  1. It comes down, as Steve always say, to noticing or the lack thereof. Our problem is very much one of noticing or false consciousness amongst the men and women we have put in charge of our important institutions. They make bad witnesses, weak authorities (in the old sense of the word) and frankly, they are losing their grip in a changing world.

    Now, I come here to read iSteve not so much because I agree with Steve but because I trust that Steve is doing something a lot closer to good-faith noticing than I will get from a lot of highly credentialed and well-liked people.

    I have no clue on how it will all play out but historians of the future will have a heckuva time piecing together what exactly happened and why our societies grew complacent with letting such poor witnesses to life manifest and glom onto our most cherished institutions.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball


    exactly happened and why our societies grew complacent with letting such poor witnesses to life manifest and glom onto our most cherished institutions
     
    It's a sort of cultural Alzheimer's of the Body Politic, a literal dis-integration of the traditional ties that bind.

    Not unprecedented - demonstrates some co-morbidity with empire historically.
    , @guest
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball

    This is why I don't trust journalism in general. Because I can tell in this case they're making it up, I extrapolate that they make everything else up, too.

    We live in a world of massive, constant deception. I just got done reading Walter Lipmann's "Public Opinion," so maybe that's coloring my thoughts.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  2. Congrats for being one of the cool kids. I think.

    I was about to post this in the Uncle Tom thread, since it is now abundantly clear who Obama’s master is, but it fits under this post too, somewhat, since the guy grew up in San Rafael.

    “The most important Wikileak of all” showed that Obama’s cabinet was chosen for him by Citibank:

    The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money. It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

    Mr. Froman, who presented Obama with his choices looks a bit like Gene Wilder. I won’t make other comments about him.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Froman

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @wren

    So, Froman is Robert Rubin's guy. Makes sense.

    I'm sure he'll do well under President Clinton the Second, as well.

    Replies: @wren

    , @PiltdownMan
    @wren

    Wow.

    Froman was a classmate of Barack Obama's at Harvard Law School and a colleague on the Harvard Law Review.

    He seems to have followed Robert Rubin out of the Treasury Department and into Citigroup where Wikipedia reports he made $7 million in one of his years there. Bob Rubin was reported to be making $20 million a year as Vice-Chairman, a purely advisory position. Nice work, if you can get it.

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten

    , @Big Bill
    @wren

    Well, Obama got a few of his buddies in pretty good positions.

    Cassandra Quin Butts (better know to her friends as Sandy Butts) was a close friend and drinking buddy at HLS. She lead Obama's transition team and almost got an ambassadorship.

    (((Julius Genachowski))) was an HLR pal. He was groomed as a USSC clerk at HLS. Obama gave him the Chairmanship of the FCC. He moved on after a year to make the big bucks.

    I am sure there were several more.

    Replies: @wren

  3. @wren
    Congrats for being one of the cool kids. I think.

    I was about to post this in the Uncle Tom thread, since it is now abundantly clear who Obama's master is, but it fits under this post too, somewhat, since the guy grew up in San Rafael.

    "The most important Wikileak of all" showed that Obama's cabinet was chosen for him by Citibank:


    The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money. It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.
     
    https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

    Mr. Froman, who presented Obama with his choices looks a bit like Gene Wilder. I won't make other comments about him.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Froman

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan, @Big Bill

    So, Froman is Robert Rubin’s guy. Makes sense.

    I’m sure he’ll do well under President Clinton the Second, as well.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Steve Sailer

    Obama: Brought to you by Carl's Jr. and Citibank.

    Clinton: Brought to you by Carl's Jr. and Goldman Sachs.


    Why do you keep saying that?

    Secretary of State: "'Cause they pay me every time I do. It's a really good way of making money. You're so smart, why don't you know that?"
     

    Another leak today described Hillary's fury at Bill for turning down a speaking gig at Morgan Stanley after she had started her campaign. Her handlers thought the optics were too bad, but she really wanted the cash.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/14/emails-hillary-upset-bill-canceled-speech-to-big-bank-on-day-1-of-her-campaign/

  4. White Republicans secured themselves in the state by passing Prop 13, which severely limits property taxes, especially on long-term homeowners (who reflect California demographics of 40 years ago), as well as rules the require supermajorities to pass other tax increases. The GOP has, just barely, more than 1/3 of both houses, but they only need 1/3 of one house to block a tax increase. And even if they ever dip below 1/3, poor careerist hispanic legislators can be bought off pretty cheaply, and often are.

    So taxes, and thus the size of the state government, are basically limited to what they were when there was still a white majority. Not low, but not nearly as high as the SJW, state employees, hispanics, and other large tax consumers would like them to be.

    Then there is the initiative process. Put something on the ballot in, say, June of 2017, and the voting population for such an election will be much, much whiter than the population and the normal election window. And since it is really expensive to do a ballot campaign, the ability to do so is limited primarily to conservative interests.

    Moreover, the white power structure in California still largely controls the Democratic party. But here and there an unacceptable Democrat wins a primary, in which case whites will often block vote, just in that election, for the Republican. This is how we chased the Hispanic-nationalist Cruz Bustamante out of state office.

  5. @Steve Sailer
    @wren

    So, Froman is Robert Rubin's guy. Makes sense.

    I'm sure he'll do well under President Clinton the Second, as well.

    Replies: @wren

    Obama: Brought to you by Carl’s Jr. and Citibank.

    Clinton: Brought to you by Carl’s Jr. and Goldman Sachs.

    Why do you keep saying that?

    Secretary of State: “‘Cause they pay me every time I do. It’s a really good way of making money. You’re so smart, why don’t you know that?”

    Another leak today described Hillary’s fury at Bill for turning down a speaking gig at Morgan Stanley after she had started her campaign. Her handlers thought the optics were too bad, but she really wanted the cash.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/14/emails-hillary-upset-bill-canceled-speech-to-big-bank-on-day-1-of-her-campaign/

  6. Well, at least we’re “highbrow”, not “lowbrow”.

    As for Moldbug, he should pay a visit to Claremont and study their high-tech “Oxford denialism”:

    http://www1.cmc.edu/pages/faculty/welliott/shakes.htm

  7. Beverly Hills HS, 1968: Student body president Mickey Kaus discusses the Velvet Underground’s music with two administrators while Lou Reed wonders how a high school kid cajoled him into playing this school assembly

    Several years ago, my nephew who was a student at Summit High School in Summit, NJ told me that the school lore had it that the Velvet Underground played at his school—long before he was born. I just googled, and in the years since his mentioning that, the concert seems to have become well documented. It turns out to have been their first concert, in 1965.

    http://www.avclub.com/video/visiting-the-high-school-auditorium-that-introduce-82633

    http://www.njarts.net/pop-rock/50th-anniversary-for-velvet-undergrounds-landmark-launch-at-summit-high-school/

    • Replies: @wren
    @PiltdownMan

    Too many wikileaks and false accusations for me. I'm starting to recognize patterns where they don't exist.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/ny-times-gets-punked-fake-groping-victim-used-velvet-underground-song-describe-trumped-attack/

    Haha.

  8. Steve, are you really writing you own epitaph?

    As your attorney, I advise you to steal a car, drive it until it runs out of gas, get out, and fight the first guy you see.

    Then you will be a Doors fan.

  9. @wren
    Congrats for being one of the cool kids. I think.

    I was about to post this in the Uncle Tom thread, since it is now abundantly clear who Obama's master is, but it fits under this post too, somewhat, since the guy grew up in San Rafael.

    "The most important Wikileak of all" showed that Obama's cabinet was chosen for him by Citibank:


    The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money. It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.
     
    https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

    Mr. Froman, who presented Obama with his choices looks a bit like Gene Wilder. I won't make other comments about him.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Froman

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan, @Big Bill

    Wow.

    Froman was a classmate of Barack Obama’s at Harvard Law School and a colleague on the Harvard Law Review.

    He seems to have followed Robert Rubin out of the Treasury Department and into Citigroup where Wikipedia reports he made $7 million in one of his years there. Bob Rubin was reported to be making $20 million a year as Vice-Chairman, a purely advisory position. Nice work, if you can get it.

    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    @PiltdownMan

    Fake jobs to support politicians on the outs are part of what companies pay to play these days.

    I worked for an obscure DOD contractor that hired as an "SVP for Strategy" a PNAC alum, a briefly infamous political appointee of GWB. He visited our office once, early on, then was never heard from again, though he had the job for five years. He left the company after Obama won re-election in 2012 - I guess he didn't want to wait four more years.

  10. That’ll be Steve Sailer they are talking about there.

  11. The next time my family gives me a hard time for being on the computer, I’m going to point out that it’s in print that I’m a devoted follower of a highbrow journal.

    I’m a relative newb around here so perhaps someone can explain. Why is Mr. Sailer venturing hundreds of miles past bays and across mountains? Is he avoiding looking at his garage?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @PiltdownMan

    Pretty much all I do is sit at my computer, but I do have a good view of my garage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @wren

  12. @PiltdownMan
    The next time my family gives me a hard time for being on the computer, I'm going to point out that it's in print that I'm a devoted follower of a highbrow journal.

    I'm a relative newb around here so perhaps someone can explain. Why is Mr. Sailer venturing hundreds of miles past bays and across mountains? Is he avoiding looking at his garage?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Pretty much all I do is sit at my computer, but I do have a good view of my garage.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    You should stand. It's healthier.

    Replies: @Anonym, @sf

    , @wren
    @Steve Sailer

    I was going to put this in the other thread where I got sidetracked by discussing car repairs, but felt it was TMI.

    For the past year or so I have pretty much commented only from my phone. It is not nearly as easy as a computer, but opens up lots of possibilities.

    The other day I was under my jacked up car working on it. I needed a short break, so was commenting here from under there. My phone was already out and dirty anyway...

  13. Here lies Steve Sailer, golf course enthusiast.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Altai

    Here lies Steve Sailer. He noticed.

    Is Michael Froman related to Abe Froman, the Sausage King of Chicago?

  14. @Steve Sailer
    @PiltdownMan

    Pretty much all I do is sit at my computer, but I do have a good view of my garage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @wren

    You should stand. It’s healthier.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Reg Cæsar

    You should stand. It’s healthier.

    With high land costs compared with digging an extra 6 feet down, I am surprised vertical burial plots aren’t more popular.

    , @sf
    @Reg Cæsar

    Or do it on a treadmill like Lily Tomlin's daughter in that lesbian movie.

  15. Here lies Steve Sailer, golf course enthusiast.

    Hope it’s a good lie!

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Reg Cæsar

    > Hope it’s a good lie!

    At long last, a quip that can be addressed with equal sincerity to either Steve Sailer or Hillary Clinton.

  16. Is it really that complicated? California has been transformed into a true one-party state through immigration, and Republicans there can see the consequences, cultural and social as well as political.

    (https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/california-dreamin/)

    • Agree: Anonym, 415 reasons
    • Replies: @JVO
    @Spotted Toad

    Any counter narrative facts that manage to slip past their screen are always treated with this sort of strange analytic curiosity.
    Maybe if we're lucky we'll see more of it.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Spotted Toad

    As I've stated before, the white Republican exodus from CA over the last 15 years has been pretty substantial. I don't see it ending. We just watched a large family, grandparents, kids, grandkids, all move to CO. Our renters just moved to ID. Another buddy just announced he's looking for a home in Tennessee. These are all right wing R's and they find housing and employment much better elsewhere.

    Replies: @Lot

  17. Is it SS that describes Teh AI as right -of -center? Is that the website run by Walter Russell Mead? Teh AI may be someday described as right -of -center, but IMO anyone who voted for Obama in 2012 is not right-of-center. Not yet. That’s like saying that Althouse person is right -of -center. Or Bart Stupak. Or Pope Francis. Or Paul Ryan. It’s not what they say, it’s how they vote.

  18. There is something about being immersed in a sea of other that changes a person. Not just culture shock; call it racial shock or genetic shock. Kindred looks and behavior stand out in stark relief. One is drawn to them.

    California, Hungary, even Israel if you count them, all are leading indicators of what white opinion is going to be like with more immigration.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Anonym


    California
     
    Eh...
    , @Anonymous
    @Anonym

    Israel is majority non-Ashkenazi. They seem to be more conservative despite being surrounded by cultural, racial, and genetic kin.

    American Jews, by contrast, are majority Ashkenazi and are among the most liberal groups in the US, despite primarily living in a handful of cities that are the most diverse areas in the US and being surrounded by others.

    , @Jack D
    @Anonym

    California and Hungary seem to me to be polar opposite cases - white people in California were willing to tolerate a LOT of immigration, to the point where now they are a minority, while Hungarians appear to have low tolerance for it.

    The "Israel" in WN's head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews - you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn't tell the whole story.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Lot, @Peter Akuleyev, @Big Bill

    , @Old Palo Altan
    @Anonym

    I am just back from a three week visit to my home state, including Palo Alto.
    The worst experience was walking to and from the library at San Francisco State (the Sutro genealogical library is now based there, alas). A third rate "university" which was at least honestly a "college" when I first was aware of it, and was 90% white, is now a hellish sight: only around every fourth person is white (officially - it seemed very much less to me); those who aren't are from everywhere under the sun and exhibit every possible human attribute except intelligence and, usually, good looks. The whites mostly appear to wonder what they are doing there and how quickly they can get away.
    By the way, there were "Safe Places" on every floor, just opposite the elevators, no doubt so that a quick escape from the deadly threat of critical thinking would be "safe" and easy.
    The best experience? Why, Palo Alto of course. It was uncannily unchanged: a new library had replaced the one I knew, only it looked exactly the same. More astoundingly, so did the people using it. As I left, two boys, aged perhaps ten and eight, brothers probably, were exchanging a few words before they mounted their bikes and drove home. "I did say I was sorry you know" piped the elder of the two in solemn tones. I nearly cried.
    Later as I took Embarcadero eastwards to 101 I saw two golden-haired little girls , no more than seven and five, walking along the sidewalk, entirely unaccompanied. Much of my stay was in otherwise equally affluent parts of California, from St Helena in the Napa Valley to Holmby Hills
    hard by the LA Country Club, from Carmel to Capistrano Beach. Nowhere, but nowhere, did I see children unaccompanied for one single moment - except in Palo Alto.
    The people who live in that blessed spot are the leaders and pacemakers of the future as well as of the present. They will not allow their paradise to disappear under the weight of the stupidity of the masses - or of the politicians either for that matter.
    I suggest that in time more and more of them will begin to see the force of "race realist" arguments and will not only act in accordance with them in their daily lives (as they already d0) but in their political and cultural decision making as well.

    Replies: @wren, @Lot

  19. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    You should stand. It's healthier.

    Replies: @Anonym, @sf

    You should stand. It’s healthier.

    With high land costs compared with digging an extra 6 feet down, I am surprised vertical burial plots aren’t more popular.

  20. The key question is will Hispanics become Aframs in their voting patterns or white ethnic (Ellis island lot).

    I’m curious as to how Italian-Americans and the other Eastern European (Deer Hunter crowd) and Med-Americans vote?

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Zachary Latif

    Hispanics aren't really a monolith, and of course a goodly slice of them are "hwhite" criollos (which probably already account for nearly all of the 20%-30% of Hispanics Republicans get in Presidential years). They've more or less assimilated because they're assimilable - Spaniards with some few generations layover in the Caribbean or Central America. They probably approximate Southern Italian immigrants in their assimilation.

    Of course, we're not getting the criollo ruling class of Latin America as immigrants anymore - rather, mestizos, indios and zambos. They're not only visually distinct from white people, but also less bright. I don't see the descendants of soon-to-be obsolete farm equipment settling well into an information economy that confounds the bottom 1/2 to 2/3 of the white population even after extraordinary AA efforts to make things look not so obvious as they are. I suppose this is a way of saying that they don't seem like prime candidates for voting for whatever interests we may have in the future.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  21. [Trumpism—a take-no-prisoners, rearguard attack on America’s democratic institutions]

    So that’s what “conservatives” are calling an attempt to use America’s democratic institutions these days!

    • Replies: @Sagamore Sam
    @5371


    . . . attack on America’s democratic institutions . . .
     
    Hmmm. So that's what trying to win an election is called by folks in the Imperial City?

    This kind of semi-sophistry is actually a good thing, in that it challenges us to think more broadly about who we are, and what we're about. This new intellectual vanguard he's referring to should be focused, not on the present election, but on what will proceed in the aftermath of Trump. In less than a month's time, this campaign will be over.

    There is a sense of immense but essentially inchoate energy that is stimulated by Trump today. Will it dissipate? What will arise after this election? Who will claim Trump's mantle? Are there pieces that can be put together into something useful? What is the long term strategy? Codevilla's recent "After the Republic" essay mentioned in the article is a nicely dour assessment of the fundamental current state of things, but who else is thinking about the subject?

    (If one hasn't read Codevilla's piece [http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/after-the-republic/], one isn't a seriously "deplorable" person.)

    The Left has been engaged in this civil war for a century. Today they occupy all the high ground, and, while they still make occasional tactical mistakes, on every front their success seems ineluctable. It took them generations of struggle, but for the entire living memory of a majority of Americans, the Left has owned the organs of mass propaganda and the schools, their soldiers have sat on the court benches and corporate boards, and their intellectuals have written the first, second, and third versions of history in our newspapers, screenplays, and history books.

    It is quite possible for an ordinary American adult to have lived his or her life without ever having felt the need (let alone option) to challenge the power of the Left. One learned the catechism from pre-school to grad school, and life in the "real" world is narrated sufficiently by ABCNBCCBSCNN(NPR/PBS?) that one would never think to ask any awkward questions. For such a person, the Narrative version of the Trumpian fringe may seem a bit strained. First of all, 40 percent is a "fringe"? How can 40% of Americans - many of whom seem to look a lot like two or three of ones' own relatives - be cheering for this racist/sexist/homophobic Hitlerian troglodyte? . . . But the thought soon passes. For members of the Church of Goodism, hating the haters makes one feel really good.

    How do we change THAT?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  22. @Anonym
    There is something about being immersed in a sea of other that changes a person. Not just culture shock; call it racial shock or genetic shock. Kindred looks and behavior stand out in stark relief. One is drawn to them.

    California, Hungary, even Israel if you count them, all are leading indicators of what white opinion is going to be like with more immigration.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Old Palo Altan

    California

    Eh…

  23. Here lies controversial Steve Sailer

    Lies indeed.

    It would be difficult to be less controversial than Steve.

    Those who consider him to be so say more about themselves than anything.

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    @Desiderius

    True indeed.

    I'm not aware that Steve has ever endorsed or championed Trump at all.

  24. @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    It comes down, as Steve always say, to noticing or the lack thereof. Our problem is very much one of noticing or false consciousness amongst the men and women we have put in charge of our important institutions. They make bad witnesses, weak authorities (in the old sense of the word) and frankly, they are losing their grip in a changing world.

    Now, I come here to read iSteve not so much because I agree with Steve but because I trust that Steve is doing something a lot closer to good-faith noticing than I will get from a lot of highly credentialed and well-liked people.

    I have no clue on how it will all play out but historians of the future will have a heckuva time piecing together what exactly happened and why our societies grew complacent with letting such poor witnesses to life manifest and glom onto our most cherished institutions.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @guest

    exactly happened and why our societies grew complacent with letting such poor witnesses to life manifest and glom onto our most cherished institutions

    It’s a sort of cultural Alzheimer’s of the Body Politic, a literal dis-integration of the traditional ties that bind.

    Not unprecedented – demonstrates some co-morbidity with empire historically.

  25. @Reg Cæsar

    Here lies Steve Sailer, golf course enthusiast.
     
    Hope it's a good lie!

    Replies: @ic1000

    > Hope it’s a good lie!

    At long last, a quip that can be addressed with equal sincerity to either Steve Sailer or Hillary Clinton.

  26. You know, I consider Pat Buchanan a friend. I don’t agree with him on many things. Personally, I enjoy him. I just like him.

    –Hunter S. Thompson

  27. (1) This treats too many disparate thinkers and personalities with a broad brush. I don’t think there’s a through line between VDH and Moldbug, for example. Much less some of the other named individuals here.

    (2) Acelaservatism (Conservative orthodoxy developed in the Acela train east coast corridor, D.C. to Boston), aka Buckleyism, didn’t fail, it actually succeeded. That’s because its purpose was to be corporate and establishment friendly, and more important than that, never being any sort of conceivable threat to organized Jewish interests.

    (3) Quite some time ago, I read an interesting theory about why the concept of personal computing was born and raised in California and not Acela, even though Acela did have computing corporations. The theory goes like this: Acela computing business interests were big corporations that were used to dealing with other big corporations big institutions and big businesses in general, the Organization Man paradigm. IBM, NEC, and many others. Meanwhile, California had an individual/ist and small institution business mindset. The reason personal computing sprouted in California is that nobody back east thought of it. It’s for the same reason why corporate-ish-oriented professional team sports are traditionally an eastern thing rather than a California thing.

    I wonder if this theory has any relevance to this article.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @countenance


    I don’t think there’s a through line between VDH and Moldbug
     
    Think harder.

    They're both uncommonly attuned to exceptionally prescient voices from our shared past, VDH further past than Moldbug.

    Replies: @Bill, @Lurker, @guest

    , @Busby
    @countenance

    No. It was a market opportunity outside their field of view.

    In part the PC revolution was an accident of geography, with semi conductor companies on the west coast, plus hobbyist influenced employees of companies like HP and others. Jobs worked for Atari and Woz for HP. It was also a happy accident that all the bigs had written off personal computing as a small market with low margins.

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten

    , @Jack D
    @countenance

    The only problem with this is that in the end the IBM team won - Apple has a 7% market share and the other 93% are the offspring of the IBM-PC. Even modern Macs are IBM "clones". IBM didn't get there first but once they moved into the space all the other California PC pioneers (Atari, Altair etc.) were blasted out of the market and Apple was pushed into a small corner. Now IBM itself lost the market but that was later.

    Replies: @keuril, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Whiskey
    @countenance

    Personal computing took off in California not New York because of the confluence of newer research universities like Berkeley providing talent and human resources. Unlike say, New York City, the Bay Area had a LOT of programmers, electrical engineers, and others interested in being pioneers and really, really wanting a personal computer. It was the sheer number of people who knew each other and could help that pioneered personal computing long before the first Apple I.

    Of course, Apple ultimately succeeded by sticking to this model. Personal computers are ubiquitous, its is just now an Iphone or Android. Not a PC on a desk or a lap. Indeed Windows is so moribund that Microsoft is now putting Ubuntu command line utilities on Windows 10; almost all development takes place in the cloud offering constant connections and PaaS low cost. Heck half of Azure instances run Linux; and almost every web developer runs a Mac because web development on Windows is quite difficult. [Linux is a pain to set up.]

    Heroku for example does not run Windows Server.

    Now of course that network effect is global; people who read Steve can also read people in Europe, in Australia, and in the South; like Paul Kersey. You don't have to sit next to someone on an Acela train and kiss ass to find things out.

    , @Brutusale
    @countenance

    "There is no reason any individual to have a computer in his home."
    1977 quote from Ken Olsen
    Co-founder and CEO
    Digital Equipment Corp.
    Maynard, MA

  28. @countenance
    (1) This treats too many disparate thinkers and personalities with a broad brush. I don't think there's a through line between VDH and Moldbug, for example. Much less some of the other named individuals here.

    (2) Acelaservatism (Conservative orthodoxy developed in the Acela train east coast corridor, D.C. to Boston), aka Buckleyism, didn't fail, it actually succeeded. That's because its purpose was to be corporate and establishment friendly, and more important than that, never being any sort of conceivable threat to organized Jewish interests.

    (3) Quite some time ago, I read an interesting theory about why the concept of personal computing was born and raised in California and not Acela, even though Acela did have computing corporations. The theory goes like this: Acela computing business interests were big corporations that were used to dealing with other big corporations big institutions and big businesses in general, the Organization Man paradigm. IBM, NEC, and many others. Meanwhile, California had an individual/ist and small institution business mindset. The reason personal computing sprouted in California is that nobody back east thought of it. It's for the same reason why corporate-ish-oriented professional team sports are traditionally an eastern thing rather than a California thing.

    I wonder if this theory has any relevance to this article.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Busby, @Jack D, @Whiskey, @Brutusale

    I don’t think there’s a through line between VDH and Moldbug

    Think harder.

    They’re both uncommonly attuned to exceptionally prescient voices from our shared past, VDH further past than Moldbug.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Desiderius

    VDH mostly seems to be pissed off about the litter on his farm. I'm pretty skeptical that his deviationism would exist without that.

    Replies: @Busby

    , @Lurker
    @Desiderius

    In my dank corners of the alt-right, no one reads Moldbug, no one mentions or refers to him, no one links to him. A lot of people have never heard of him.

    Yet when I see these kind of articles they always seem keen to shoe-horn Moldbug.

    Replies: @Lot, @guest

    , @guest
    @Desiderius

    "They're both uncommonly attuned to exceptionally prescient voices from our shared past"

    So they're both right-wing. Got it.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  29. What about Lawrence Auster?

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Luke Lea

    Loved the guy, but I wonder what are the odds he would have turned out to be a NeverTrumpish Cruzlim.

    , @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @Luke Lea

    He's dead.

  30. …the Unz Review, a Trump-friendly, highbrow online journal with a devoted following.

    This may be the first time I have been called “highbrow.”

    How flattering.

    Once again, the internet provides me with ego gratification.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I don't get the "Trump-friendly" part. It's not as if Ron Unz has endorsed Trump or stopped publishing anti-Trump articles or comments. And during the primaries, Ron Unz actually supported Bernie Sanders.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Olorin
    @Buzz Mohawk

    And here I thought this was the watering hole for ragtag political misfits with a taste for esoteric single malt Scotches, Matt Strassler's cogitations on non-woo particle physics, firearms, woodworking, and 1960s-1970s Volkswagen repair.

    Highbrow, huh?

    How fast the era is passing. Everyone's pulling up a stool and remembering the Good Old Days...when I figured they were still ahead of us.

  31. Donald Trump needs to win the state that houses Walt Disney World, not Walt Disney Land.

  32. Have these people ever heard of California ideology?

    It’s not quite what they describe, but I have a feeling that tech + immigrants will form the backbone of a new, anti-democratic force within the next 100 years.

  33. @Spotted Toad
    Is it really that complicated? California has been transformed into a true one-party state through immigration, and Republicans there can see the consequences, cultural and social as well as political.

    (https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/california-dreamin/)

    Replies: @JVO, @stillCARealist

    Any counter narrative facts that manage to slip past their screen are always treated with this sort of strange analytic curiosity.
    Maybe if we’re lucky we’ll see more of it.

  34. @Zachary Latif
    The key question is will Hispanics become Aframs in their voting patterns or white ethnic (Ellis island lot).

    I'm curious as to how Italian-Americans and the other Eastern European (Deer Hunter crowd) and Med-Americans vote?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Hispanics aren’t really a monolith, and of course a goodly slice of them are “hwhite” criollos (which probably already account for nearly all of the 20%-30% of Hispanics Republicans get in Presidential years). They’ve more or less assimilated because they’re assimilable – Spaniards with some few generations layover in the Caribbean or Central America. They probably approximate Southern Italian immigrants in their assimilation.

    Of course, we’re not getting the criollo ruling class of Latin America as immigrants anymore – rather, mestizos, indios and zambos. They’re not only visually distinct from white people, but also less bright. I don’t see the descendants of soon-to-be obsolete farm equipment settling well into an information economy that confounds the bottom 1/2 to 2/3 of the white population even after extraordinary AA efforts to make things look not so obvious as they are. I suppose this is a way of saying that they don’t seem like prime candidates for voting for whatever interests we may have in the future.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Alec Leamas

    "They’ve more or less assimilated because they’re assimilable – Spaniards with some few generations layover in the Caribbean or Central America. They probably approximate Southern Italian immigrants in their assimilation."

    If they have been in Central America and the Caribbean for several generations and are not from recent Spaniard immigrant background than most of them are not pure Spaniards. The longer a "White" Hispanic's family roots have been planted in Latin America, the less likely their DNA would pop up as 100 percent European from a genetic company like Ancestry.com and 23AndMe.

    Ancestry.com recently aired a commercial with an old Hispanic woman with a Conquistador phenotype. Her ancestry is not as White as her phenotype because it revealed that she is genetically 7 percent Sub Saharan African.

    Phenotype is a horrible way to determine racial purity in Latin America.

  35. @Luke Lea
    What about Lawrence Auster?

    Replies: @IHTG, @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Loved the guy, but I wonder what are the odds he would have turned out to be a NeverTrumpish Cruzlim.

  36. The only state with a comparable post-1970 experience is New York, which is historically more accustomed than the Golden State to absorbing large immigrant populations.

    And according to the Census, 100,000 people a year — mostly white, native-born — bail out of New York for places like North Carolina, Tennessee, and Florida so they can get decent jobs and escape the oppressive taxes and regulations while the immigrants stay and work service jobs for minimum wage or go on welfare.

  37. Weren’t Razib Kahn and Godless Capitalist seminal voices back in the old Gene Expression days?

    • Replies: @wren
    @Luke Lea

    I remember you back in the comments section there. Good times, good times.

  38. Then there is Hbd*chick who may have been late to the party but made up for lost time.

  39. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    You should stand. It's healthier.

    Replies: @Anonym, @sf

    Or do it on a treadmill like Lily Tomlin’s daughter in that lesbian movie.

  40. Everyone has forgotten Scott Adams of dilbert fame – he’s a Californian

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Everyone has forgotten Scott Adams of dilbert fame – he’s a Californian
     
    Now. By upbringing and education, he's a Catskills boy. There's still a lot of appleknocker in him.

    He learned to shoot from his mother, didn't he?
  41. Dirk Dagger [AKA "oarsman:regatta"] says:

    Here lies controversial Steve Sailer

    Your own fault. Golf course architecture criticism has always been the third rail of American journalism. You had to know that.

  42. The premise of the article is nonsense. Trump’s views are largely an updated version of Pat Buchanan’s ideology on immigration, trade and a non-interventionist foreign policy known as “America first.” Apart from Buchanan’s traditional Catholicism and critique of Israel, Trump should be accused of intellectual theft.

  43. @countenance
    (1) This treats too many disparate thinkers and personalities with a broad brush. I don't think there's a through line between VDH and Moldbug, for example. Much less some of the other named individuals here.

    (2) Acelaservatism (Conservative orthodoxy developed in the Acela train east coast corridor, D.C. to Boston), aka Buckleyism, didn't fail, it actually succeeded. That's because its purpose was to be corporate and establishment friendly, and more important than that, never being any sort of conceivable threat to organized Jewish interests.

    (3) Quite some time ago, I read an interesting theory about why the concept of personal computing was born and raised in California and not Acela, even though Acela did have computing corporations. The theory goes like this: Acela computing business interests were big corporations that were used to dealing with other big corporations big institutions and big businesses in general, the Organization Man paradigm. IBM, NEC, and many others. Meanwhile, California had an individual/ist and small institution business mindset. The reason personal computing sprouted in California is that nobody back east thought of it. It's for the same reason why corporate-ish-oriented professional team sports are traditionally an eastern thing rather than a California thing.

    I wonder if this theory has any relevance to this article.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Busby, @Jack D, @Whiskey, @Brutusale

    No. It was a market opportunity outside their field of view.

    In part the PC revolution was an accident of geography, with semi conductor companies on the west coast, plus hobbyist influenced employees of companies like HP and others. Jobs worked for Atari and Woz for HP. It was also a happy accident that all the bigs had written off personal computing as a small market with low margins.

    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    @Busby

    Yes, it was less a matter of Silicon Valley being right than of IBM and DEC being wrong. There were PC makers all over the country early on. The case that proves it is the TRS-80. People forget, but the TRS-80 was developed independently, almost simultaneously with the Apple II, and handily outsold the Apple II for their first five years, through 1982. In a foreshadowing of future Apple marketing practices, the Apple II was really expensive, over $5000 in today's dollars for the base model.

    TRS-80 was financed and backed out of Tandy's headquarters in Texas. But it was designed by a consultant working in Silicon Valley, Steve Leininger, who had been at National Semiconductor and was a member of the Homebrew Computer Club just like Woz.

    There was a whole host of PC makers scattered across the country, Commodore and TI, as well as forgotten names like Ohio Scientific. But in the Northeast I guess it was too easy for electronics guys to just stay at their jobs at IBM or DEC.

    Replies: @Ivy

  44. @PiltdownMan
    @wren

    Wow.

    Froman was a classmate of Barack Obama's at Harvard Law School and a colleague on the Harvard Law Review.

    He seems to have followed Robert Rubin out of the Treasury Department and into Citigroup where Wikipedia reports he made $7 million in one of his years there. Bob Rubin was reported to be making $20 million a year as Vice-Chairman, a purely advisory position. Nice work, if you can get it.

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten

    Fake jobs to support politicians on the outs are part of what companies pay to play these days.

    I worked for an obscure DOD contractor that hired as an “SVP for Strategy” a PNAC alum, a briefly infamous political appointee of GWB. He visited our office once, early on, then was never heard from again, though he had the job for five years. He left the company after Obama won re-election in 2012 – I guess he didn’t want to wait four more years.

  45. Relatively new here.
    Interestingly , VDH and Steym were what I was into just prior.

    Also, Doors are great. Music holds up well.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @pepperinmono

    Welcome, pepperinmono. You will soon find that all roads connect in isteveland. The only blogger I follow that hasn't been referenced here - at least that I myself have not seen referenced here - is Richard Fernandez. All of my favorites are constantly being referred to by the wonderful Unz-linked columnists, bloggers and commenters. It's a small world, but growing bigger day-by-day.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  46. “Sixth degree of influence” is a good phrase, I’d never heard it before.

    I’ve wondered why high-status SoCal can’t exactly get its own slot in the NY-DC news axis. Then it occurred to me, it does get its own slot, primetime, on fox and nbc: TMZ, and Access Hollywood. The latter hosted by….Billy Bush!

  47. “Instead, California Republicans should have just put illegal aliens on the Path to Citizenship and then their Natural Conservatism would have overwhelmingly manifested itself at the ballot box. If you don’t believe me, just ask Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY). He’ll tell you.”

    Democrats want open borders and amnesty so that they can start losing again to Republicans in presidential elections. The Democrats have gotten so bored of winning way too much. Immigrants both legal and illegal all have shrines of Milton Friedman in their homes because they are so extremely pro-small government and anti-welfare state.

  48. @Busby
    @countenance

    No. It was a market opportunity outside their field of view.

    In part the PC revolution was an accident of geography, with semi conductor companies on the west coast, plus hobbyist influenced employees of companies like HP and others. Jobs worked for Atari and Woz for HP. It was also a happy accident that all the bigs had written off personal computing as a small market with low margins.

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten

    Yes, it was less a matter of Silicon Valley being right than of IBM and DEC being wrong. There were PC makers all over the country early on. The case that proves it is the TRS-80. People forget, but the TRS-80 was developed independently, almost simultaneously with the Apple II, and handily outsold the Apple II for their first five years, through 1982. In a foreshadowing of future Apple marketing practices, the Apple II was really expensive, over $5000 in today’s dollars for the base model.

    TRS-80 was financed and backed out of Tandy’s headquarters in Texas. But it was designed by a consultant working in Silicon Valley, Steve Leininger, who had been at National Semiconductor and was a member of the Homebrew Computer Club just like Woz.

    There was a whole host of PC makers scattered across the country, Commodore and TI, as well as forgotten names like Ohio Scientific. But in the Northeast I guess it was too easy for electronics guys to just stay at their jobs at IBM or DEC.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Jean Cocteausten

    IBM and GM both provide examples of innovation through satellites protected from the corporate gravitational pull. The PC was purposely developed by a new unit in Florida, far from the Armonk big gray cloud. At least that IBM board saw the need for a new approach. GM developed Saturn outside the Detroit area and that gave it a little more of a chance. In the end, both parent companies exited the businesses, for various reasons.

    An interesting book including some hi tech corporate dynamics in the northeast is The Soul of a New Machine, about how Data General (remember them? Ancient history) developed a new computer.

    Replies: @Jack D

  49. “gifted {British educated Canadian} Mark Steyn, who prefers to live {as near to Canada as possible without living in completely backward areas like Detroit} in New Hampshire”

    Mark Steyn seems to live half way between the Bos in BosNYWash corridor aka Accela corridor and civilization, Montreal Ca. Before his career stabilized as an American conservative critic living close to a Health Canada clinic was a competitive advantage over his dim American rivals, who regardless of talent most likely could not engage in family formation or even non family formation writing conservative hit pieces anywhere near BosNYWash or anywhere else due to health care issues. Steyn’s Belgian family and upper class Canadian and British (King Edward’s School is an independent day school for boys) education might imply he is … a French speaker making access to Quebec a big plus and possibly the only joy to his life in a Boston exurb.

    HEY FREEPERS! MARK STEYN HATES YOU!

    A funny thing happened while I was surfing rightwing sites like Free Republic and Little Green Footballs this week: I discovered that Mark Steyn, the world’s only warmongering Canadian journalist, has actually managed to fool the gullible readers of these blogs. And there are thousands of these right-wing blogs, all featuring grumpy-looking bald eagles, 3-d American flags and Christian dating services — into accepting him as an American patriot.

    http://exiledonline.com/hey-freepers-mark-steyn-hates-you/

  50. If you want to scare yourself, this is good read:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-10-13/-10-million-says-hillary-wins

    (Haim Saban and how easy it is to buy off the country)

  51. “Yeah, that Pete Wilson … practically Hitler …”

    All Republicans are practically Hitler according to the political Left, even the ones who are pro-invite the world open borders. Remember in the 2000s when left wing Social Justice Warriors marched the streets with their Bush Is Hitler signs.

    The Adolf Hitler comparisons by the Left have definitely jumped the shark. They go to the well way too many times with that same old tired reference. It’s gotten stale. The Left needs to get more creative. How about start comparing Republicans to Idi Amin, Osama Bin Laden, Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, etc after all those are some very evil guys. Adolf Hitler does not have a monopoly on evil historical figures.

    Marcia Marcia Marcia, Hitler Hitler Hitler. The other evil historical figures are treated like Jan Brady, an afterthought. They are just chopped liver.

  52. Right. Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) invented the laser printer, the ethernet, the first “windowing” operating system, the first object oriented language (Smalltalk), etc. But Xerox was making so much money on copiers that they could not see any reason to fool around in a business that -might- do $5 million a year. Steve Jobs saw all this at Parc and made it happen.

    See Fumbling the Future (https://www.amazon.com/Fumbling-Future-Invented-Personal-Computer/dp/1583482660/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476543039&sr=8-1&keywords=Fumbling+the+Future) for a depressing account of what might have been.

  53. Anonymous [AKA "Rip Van"] says:

    And to think, at the time Pete Wilson was called a “moderate” (read: pro-choice) Repub,.. The current freak show in CA state politics has allowed Jerry Brown to style himself the local moderate. Jerry effing Brown. If you guys think the Acela media is servile I dunno what you’d make of the press treatment of the Left Coast greens-n-graft bureaucracy, which more closely resembles North Korean journalism.

  54. Ross Douthat ‏@DouthatNYT 19h

    If you come at the Cathedral, you’d best not spend your last month on the campaign trail calling women you’ve groped ugly.

    Ross reads Moldbug now?

  55. as immigration flows soared

    Speaking of “democracy”, especially re CA, where important (or not) issues are regularly put to a popular vote via ballot initiatives, it’s worth remembering that no one ever voted for that.

  56. Once America goes the California way in terms of demographics, is there any real hope left for the right?
    Some of us here seem to be under the impression that it won’t be long before the pendulum swings back, but I can’t see any evidence that the Republicans are regaining strength in California. With every passing day it begins to look more and more like a one-party state with a single state religion of progressivism.

    • Replies: @oh its just me too
    @thinkingabout it


    Once America goes the California way in terms of demographics, is there any real hope left for the right?
     
    no, but the globalists will have achieved their dream of destroying the 'barriers' to utopia (The constitution, national borders, the right to free speech, the right to bear arms, "
    they won't be bewildered when their utopia does not emerge... they blame it on some lingering hate fact that people still believe.

    but here's the funny thing..... when we start to reconstruct society it will be more like medeviel england than NPR paradise
    , @Decius
    @thinkingabout it

    "Yet there is no reason for despair as long as human nature has not been conquered completely, i.e., as long as sun and man still generate man. There will always be men (andres [["real" or "manly men," as opposed anthropoi, "human beings"]]) who will revolt against a state which is destructive of humanity or in which there is no longer a possibility of noble action and of great deeds. They may be forced into a mere negation of the universal and homogenous state, into a negation not enlightened by any positive goal, into a nihilistic negation. While perhaps doomed to failure, that nihilistic revolution may be the only action on behalf of man's humanity, the only great and noble deed that is possible once the universal and homogenous state has become inevitable. But no one can know whether it will fail or succeed. We still know too little about the workings of the universal and homogenous state to say anything about where and when its corruption will start. [[Here I interject: 62 years later, we know!]] What we do know is only that it will perish sooner or later. Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogenous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process—a new lease of life for man's humanity—not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?"

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Decius
    @thinkingabout it

    Double, sorry.

  57. @Spotted Toad
    Is it really that complicated? California has been transformed into a true one-party state through immigration, and Republicans there can see the consequences, cultural and social as well as political.

    (https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/california-dreamin/)

    Replies: @JVO, @stillCARealist

    As I’ve stated before, the white Republican exodus from CA over the last 15 years has been pretty substantial. I don’t see it ending. We just watched a large family, grandparents, kids, grandkids, all move to CO. Our renters just moved to ID. Another buddy just announced he’s looking for a home in Tennessee. These are all right wing R’s and they find housing and employment much better elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @stillCARealist

    The people you mention are mostly offset by an inflow of new whites from elsewhere in the USA who are mostly not Republicans.

    California's white population has been pretty stable for a long time, the rapid growth in the non-white population is due to immigration and high Mexican American birthrate.

    I almost said "high Hispanic birthrate" but I've noticed that California has a small high-achieving Cuban-American population. According to the Census, Cuban Americans have nearly the lowest birthrate in the USA, like 1.4. There are a lot of affirmative action opportunities here for Cubans to take advantage of due to the large Mexican population.

  58. Moldbug’s real identity is no secret . If you google Mencius Moldbug his real name (and photograph) comes right up on the 1st screen. I know that Steve is an old fashioned gentleman but in an age where sex videos are a route to stardom, we are WAAAY past Victorian notions of privacy. Even for Moldbug himself, his pen name was intended in ironic hipster fashion and not because he was a “respectable” gentleman who needed anonymity.

    La Griffe du Lion OTOH seems much more intent on concealing his identity, though some plausible guesses have been made. Although some of the guesses place him in academia, nowadays even tenure is not protection against being a badwhite so it’s understandable that he continues to hide.

    Moldbug’s writings have had a personal cost to him, as could be expected given the current McCarthyism of the left (which is perhaps worse than the real McCarthyism ever was). According to his wiki, in 2015, his invitation to speak about Urbit [his software product and how he earns a living] at the Strange Loop programming conference was rescinded following complaints made by other attendees. In 2016, his invitation to the LambdaConf functional programming conference resulted in the withdrawal of five speakers, two subconferences and several sponsors.

    Both Moldbug and La Griffe seem to have pulled the plug on further writing, though their archives remain online. I suppose there is only so much to be said, especially when the world does not seem to be prepared to listen.

    • Replies: @No_0ne
    @Jack D

    McCarthy was completely vindicated by the Venona decrypts. The Great Sedition Trial of 1944 is a much better example of a "witch hunt."

    , @phil
    @Jack D

    La Griffe is an elderly professor who has spent most of his career at a highly-ranked university. He used to be married to another brilliant academic who is known to dedicated iSteve followers.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    "Moldbug’s writings have had a personal cost to him, as could be expected given the current McCarthyism of the left (which is perhaps worse than the real McCarthyism ever was)."

    Interesting how a number of Alt Righters seek not to include Jews in their movement--they are entryists and will inevitably supplant the host--even though he is Jewish.

    Moldberg's writing are meandering and digestible in small quantities. His intellectual make-up and quirky behavior traits seem pivotal to lending himself to favor monarchial rule and traditional gender roles. He has rabid followers who tout his ideas about the necessity of a hierarchal aristocracy leading the masses through brute force if required.

    "I suppose there is only so much to be said, especially when the world does not seem to be prepared to listen."

    Why on earth would any white male be inclined to give up their fundamental freedoms for THIS...

    "The formalization of political powers, thirdly, allows for the possibility of effective government. Once the universe of democratic corruption is converted into a (freely transferable) shareholding in gov-corp. the owners of the state can initiate rational corporate governance, beginning with the appointment of a CEO. As with any business, the interests of the state are now precisely formalized as the maximization of long-term shareholder value. There is no longer any need for residents (clients) to take any interest in politics whatsoever. In fact, to do so would be to exhibit semi-criminal proclivities. If gov-corp doesn’t deliver acceptable value for its taxes (sovereign rent), they can notify its customer service function, and if necessary take their custom elsewhere. Gov-corp would concentrate upon running an efficient, attractive, vital, clean, and secure country, of a kind that is able to draw customers. No voice, free exit."

    , @guest
    @Jack D

    Moldbug wrote about that very phenomenon, as I recall. The Red Scare was intense but short. The Brown Scare is forever, and continues to this day.

  59. Anonymous [AKA "view from 9th ave"] says:

    OT: I thought it odd during all the hubbub over Miss Fat Venezuela recently that none of the stories or interviews AFAICT brought up the deteriorating current conditions in her presumably relevant old country, where I am told the penitentiary inmates are now resorting to cannibalism. The juxtaposition of immigrant w/ hellish homeland is a reliable chestnut for 0th Amendment policy, but I suppose in this case it was too much of a stretch– with Piggy being white, pampered, callow, and literally a beauty queen she clearly added to the suffering of the downtrodden more than shared in it. Or, maybe Podesta people can’t remember extracurricular trivia like which land the pageant winner was from & deemed her General Hispanic Woman For Agitprop Purpose with no precision beyond that; I think this is actually more likely. It worked for Evita, right?

  60. With all these mother-PNACers on board, it takes some serious chutzpah to name the magazine The American Interest….

    The American Co-Interest would be more appropriate.

    One should worry because everything Eliot Cohen touches turns to dust.

  61. @Luke Lea
    What about Lawrence Auster?

    Replies: @IHTG, @eggheadshadhisnumber

    He’s dead.

  62. Throwing Moldbug into the mix strikes me as off.

    Steve, Kaus, and the crew at Claremont and American Greatness, are all serious, sensible thinkers who don’t like to be wrong about things, and are in fact right about a great many important things. One wants to say: together they almost comprehend the only serious, sensible thinkers on political matters now operating in the US .

    Moldbug is a crackpot. He apparently believes that we’re heading toward a reinstatement of monarchy for Christ’s sake. Why read further?

    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    • Agree: Lot
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Laugh Track
    @candid_observer

    I reckon for "comprehend" you actually mean "comprise" or "compose"?

    , @Decius
    @candid_observer

    Thanks, appreciate it.

    , @Jack D
    @candid_observer

    Moldbug's body of work reminds me of Marx's in this sense - they were both very good at diagnosing and describing the disease, but the cure that they prescribed would only make the patient sicker. Marx's prescription had never been tried out before and then when it was, it almost killed every patient it was tried on, but Moldbug is prescribing an even older remedy (monarchism) which is well proven not to work so we don't even have to try it again to discredit it.


    This is a very broad issue - understanding what is causing a problem is different than curing it. We have a pretty good idea of what causes cancer but we really don't know how to fix it. Now this is better than believing that cancer is caused by evil spirits - at least we know where to look. But even with that knowledge, there are still many clinical trials that kill their patients or make them even sicker than they already are.

    Replies: @Bacon Eater

    , @ThoughtDeviant
    @candid_observer

    Moldbug explains why all those high brow journals you linked to are ultimately futile and wasting their time. Why conservatives have been shouting about the encroachment of the left since the time of Froude.

    , @Wyrd
    @candid_observer

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr


    Sure that's not Mencious Moldbug, my ADHD? I read his entire body of work and did not nod off once.

    Replies: @dr kill

    , @Desiderius
    @candid_observer


    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr
     

    The same could be said of the Talmud, and yet there are those who do read it. The whole thing.

    I suspect that's more Moldbug's target audience than we are.

    Replies: @Decius

  63. There are so many of these niche political magazines like the American Interest. What is their purpose? Who reads them? Why?

    Academic journals exist to give people a place to publish what they are required to publish to keep their academic jobs. There is no expectation that anyone will read anything.

    What is going on with these things?

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Grumpy

    Some gov agency. CIA , DIA, NSA. you get the idea.

  64. Don’t know if anyone has already commented on this, but last night on 20/20 they had an hour-long story on the UVA Hoax. I am normally asleep, but I stayed up to watch the whole thing. Just a few thoughts:

    1. Dean Eramo will make a very compelling plaintiff. That woman was sincere to a fault, and while I had expected a real SWJ (since being in that position almost calls for it), she was the complete opposite. I don’t think Sabrina Rubin Erdley will be quite as well received.

    2. They did not show Jackie. I was waiting for the big reveal, but it never came.

    3. They go into the whole Haven Montana catfishing and highlight the Dawson’s Creek quote.

    4. Ryan Duffin, the friend Jackie is trying to convince to date her, seems remarkably composed for such a young guy. At the end, incredibly, he states he still thinks “something happened” to Jackie to have caused all of this.

    You’re right, Ryan, something did happen. Our society has created a world where a young woman like this can parlay a simple crush into a national scandal.

  65. What is it that makes neocons imagine that they are high-brow? To all the ignorant morons of the world: say nice things about Leo Strauss and toe the line on Israel, and you too can be high-brow.

  66. @Desiderius
    @countenance


    I don’t think there’s a through line between VDH and Moldbug
     
    Think harder.

    They're both uncommonly attuned to exceptionally prescient voices from our shared past, VDH further past than Moldbug.

    Replies: @Bill, @Lurker, @guest

    VDH mostly seems to be pissed off about the litter on his farm. I’m pretty skeptical that his deviationism would exist without that.

    • Replies: @Busby
    @Bill

    It's somewhat of an homage. In one piece he wrote about a Roman author who described the collapse of civilization from the vantage point of his rural homestead. Over the years how the writ of the state progressively disappeared and those who remained had to fortify their homes with defensive walls. A trip to the city became risky because of bandits.
    Unsurprisingly, he's pissed that people dump trash on his property. He's replaced electrical wiring on his well pumps because people steal the copper. In nearly every instance, he reports to the local cops who take reports and then tell him they can't do anything to protect him.

  67. I try to follow the courtesy of using a pseudonym unless I’m sure the author wants his real name used.

    But persistently using the name “Barack Hussein Obama” (as you have done so many times, especially during the 2008 election cycle) is cool? From what I’ve seen, Obama never uses his middle name, and I only became aware of it by reading (usually critical) articles about him. Also, little Barry didn’t have any say in choosing his name, did he?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Numinous

    The key question you need to answer is when, exactly, did little Barry become Barack? And why?

  68. How is massive popular support for a candidate a “rearguard attack on America’s democratic institutions”?

    This is a democratic frontal assault.

  69. OT, but the abjectness of the “man” writing this article is hard to believe:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/well/family/the-fear-of-having-a-son.html

    What a father he must be to his poor son.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    This man is a pretty good example of toxic unmasculinity.

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @SPMoore8
    @candid_observer

    That's an amazingly stupid article, but while it is ostensibly about a father's anxiety for his son (who is going to be bullied because his father taught him to be vulnerable) it is really about the father's wonderful nay even exquisite sensitivity and vulnerability.

    You can see this in the comments, because, just as this father is terrified for his son, other commenters are reprimanding him along the lines of, "you think you have it bad, what about those of us who can't have any child / or who have children of color, etc. etc." So, in other words, this is all self-stroking PC dramatics.

    The other interesting point is that the author suggests that the only reason "boys act like boys" and "men act like men" is because they are socially constructed to act that way.

    My experience is that boys are just as "vulnerable" as women, and they surely know it, but they have to have the armor and the outlook to overcome it, because otherwise things don't get done, and young, testosterone laden men do not accomplish their various goals, because in fact the world is unfair, cruel, and competitive, and no matter what we might do to soften those things in society, that competition isn't going anywhere, anymore than it is absent among women.

    I have known some men who are like this author; they make wonderful haters and have a deep seated resentment for other men. Aside from that, the self-regard is stupendous. Thus, crying is: "the single act that most liberates and heals a painful past that devalues masculine sensitivity." Huh?

    Altogether this reminds me of the guy who test fired an AR-15 after the Orlando massacre and reported that he was suffering PTSD from the noise.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @candid_observer

    Christ, what a buggered-up bedwetter. That child is going to be fucked up, or just an academic android like him.

    , @Whoever
    @candid_observer

    That's quite a dismaying article, and I feel sorry for that little boy without a man in his life.
    Coincidentally, I was reading Polynesia’s bloody roots at West Hunter, which contains this sentence -- "So it was like this: the Lapita derived from Taiwan, settled Vanuatua and Tonga – then were conquered by some set of Melanesian men, who killed most of the local men and scooped up the women."
    The author of the New York Times article is setting his son up to be killed off (figuratively or perhaps literally) by some tough hombres one of these days. And there are always tough hombres. You have to deal with them or they will deal with you.
    Also coincidentally, I recently watched this video, which seems to have been made not merely by a different breed of human from the NYT author, but a different species of creature entirely. I know the kind of people shown in that video. I grew up with their sort. I'm one of them--at least a part of me is. And whenever I hear or read someone fretting about the fate of Whites, I don't worry too much.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

  70. @Jack D
    Moldbug's real identity is no secret . If you google Mencius Moldbug his real name (and photograph) comes right up on the 1st screen. I know that Steve is an old fashioned gentleman but in an age where sex videos are a route to stardom, we are WAAAY past Victorian notions of privacy. Even for Moldbug himself, his pen name was intended in ironic hipster fashion and not because he was a "respectable" gentleman who needed anonymity.

    La Griffe du Lion OTOH seems much more intent on concealing his identity, though some plausible guesses have been made. Although some of the guesses place him in academia, nowadays even tenure is not protection against being a badwhite so it's understandable that he continues to hide.

    Moldbug's writings have had a personal cost to him, as could be expected given the current McCarthyism of the left (which is perhaps worse than the real McCarthyism ever was). According to his wiki, in 2015, his invitation to speak about Urbit [his software product and how he earns a living] at the Strange Loop programming conference was rescinded following complaints made by other attendees. In 2016, his invitation to the LambdaConf functional programming conference resulted in the withdrawal of five speakers, two subconferences and several sponsors.

    Both Moldbug and La Griffe seem to have pulled the plug on further writing, though their archives remain online. I suppose there is only so much to be said, especially when the world does not seem to be prepared to listen.

    Replies: @No_0ne, @phil, @Corvinus, @guest

    McCarthy was completely vindicated by the Venona decrypts. The Great Sedition Trial of 1944 is a much better example of a “witch hunt.”

  71. @candid_observer
    OT, but the abjectness of the "man" writing this article is hard to believe:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/well/family/the-fear-of-having-a-son.html

    What a father he must be to his poor son.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @SPMoore8, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Whoever

    This man is a pretty good example of toxic unmasculinity.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @candid_observer

    When told to sack up, he'd ask paper or plastic. Ba-dum-bum. I'm here all week. Tip your waitress.

  72. The ongoing discordance between The National Interest and The Co-American Interest mirrors the antagonistic forces of this presidential elections.

    protip #1: The National Interest is run by Russians & Sessions .

    protip #2: The Co-American Interest is interested in Anne Applebaum & Bernard-Henri Lévy.

    protip#3: The Nixon Center hosted Trump’s first foreign policy speech event.

    protip#4: Steve Sailer is a little green frogman from the future. Beware.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A03E4D7143CF930A25750C0A9639C8B63

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @bored identity


    "William Kristol, editor of the neoconservative Weekly Standard and son of Irving Kristol, said he welcomed the planned journal. ''My father said many times, the more journals, the better,'' he said. ''Soon there are going to be more neoconservative magazines than there are neoconservatives.''"
     

    Replies: @bored identity

    , @Yak-15
    @bored identity

    The National Interest is a broad collection of neorealist thinkers including Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer.

    It's not usually favorable to Russia or Israel. It's not favorable to immigration or migrants. It's typically against unnecessary intervention the world over unless it advances genuine US security interests and it is also against nation building. It also is against demographic change.

    It's about as opposite from Foriegn Policy as it gets. American Interest, on the other hand, is a neocon, Fukuyama type screed. And it's awful.

    Replies: @Jack D, @bored identity

  73. @Steve Sailer
    @PiltdownMan

    Pretty much all I do is sit at my computer, but I do have a good view of my garage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @wren

    I was going to put this in the other thread where I got sidetracked by discussing car repairs, but felt it was TMI.

    For the past year or so I have pretty much commented only from my phone. It is not nearly as easy as a computer, but opens up lots of possibilities.

    The other day I was under my jacked up car working on it. I needed a short break, so was commenting here from under there. My phone was already out and dirty anyway…

  74. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This is the outrage that will echo and fester down through the ages. There will be a restoration… it’s only a matter of frustration becoming realization in hearts and minds.

    The California that elected Reagan its Governor was about 80 percent white and 12 percent Hispanic; today, those figures are 38 percent and 39 percent, respectively. In other words, California squeezed into forty years a transformation that is expected to take at least a century for America as a whole (if it takes place at all, given rates of assimilation and ethnic attrition) and which many Trump supporters clearly resent and fear.

  75. @Luke Lea
    Weren't Razib Kahn and Godless Capitalist seminal voices back in the old Gene Expression days?

    Replies: @wren

    I remember you back in the comments section there. Good times, good times.

  76. @candid_observer
    Throwing Moldbug into the mix strikes me as off.

    Steve, Kaus, and the crew at Claremont and American Greatness, are all serious, sensible thinkers who don't like to be wrong about things, and are in fact right about a great many important things. One wants to say: together they almost comprehend the only serious, sensible thinkers on political matters now operating in the US .

    Moldbug is a crackpot. He apparently believes that we're heading toward a reinstatement of monarchy for Christ's sake. Why read further?

    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    Replies: @Laugh Track, @Decius, @Jack D, @ThoughtDeviant, @Wyrd, @Desiderius

    I reckon for “comprehend” you actually mean “comprise” or “compose”?

  77. @Desiderius
    @countenance


    I don’t think there’s a through line between VDH and Moldbug
     
    Think harder.

    They're both uncommonly attuned to exceptionally prescient voices from our shared past, VDH further past than Moldbug.

    Replies: @Bill, @Lurker, @guest

    In my dank corners of the alt-right, no one reads Moldbug, no one mentions or refers to him, no one links to him. A lot of people have never heard of him.

    Yet when I see these kind of articles they always seem keen to shoe-horn Moldbug.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Lurker

    I don't read him either. I tried a few times, but I am not usually looking for verbose and jargon-filled longreads. However, his fellow techies do read him, and they count as much as 100 normal people.

    , @guest
    @Lurker

    I read his oeuvre, after bumping into him accidentally and a few initial abortive tries. To my knowledge I don't encounter Moldbugians on the sites I frequent. Whenever his name comes up it's usually people saying he talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded.

    So who knows why he constantly pops up in articles like this. Except that he targeted progressives and former progressives in his writings, and they were intended to be entry points for "red pilling." There are lots of those, of course, but his is highbrow, not tied icky things like fascism or pick-up artistry, and is Jew-friendly.

    Maybe it's as simple as Joe Prog blogged about him in '09, which was picked up by an article in the Blue Times, links to which went round the world. Like how they pretend Breitbart is behind every alt-right undertaking, because they've heard of it and they're lazy.

  78. “the Unz Review, a Trump-friendly, highbrow online journal with a devoted following.”

    Highbrow?

    Time for me to shuffle of elsewhere then.

  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym
    There is something about being immersed in a sea of other that changes a person. Not just culture shock; call it racial shock or genetic shock. Kindred looks and behavior stand out in stark relief. One is drawn to them.

    California, Hungary, even Israel if you count them, all are leading indicators of what white opinion is going to be like with more immigration.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Old Palo Altan

    Israel is majority non-Ashkenazi. They seem to be more conservative despite being surrounded by cultural, racial, and genetic kin.

    American Jews, by contrast, are majority Ashkenazi and are among the most liberal groups in the US, despite primarily living in a handful of cities that are the most diverse areas in the US and being surrounded by others.

  80. California has lots of Asians and Hispanics more or less in situ. Funny thing is that Trump is from NY and sees pluralism through the old white/black filter to the extent he sees pluralism at all.

    Trump is not California’s intellectuals’ candidate. It’s a stick on partnership. I’ll grant Steve and Trump have shared territorial interests (and it ain’t been pretty, Steve), but saying Ron Unz is Trump’s thought leader? Is this what this article is saying? LOL.

  81. The usual excellent job by Steve Sailer. Of course, in the original article, where the comparisons with the heresies of early Christendom totally break down is that at that time European ethnics all across the West were not being systematically demographically erased. So this would be something like trying to explain the solar system while giving only passing mention to gravity.

  82. @candid_observer
    OT, but the abjectness of the "man" writing this article is hard to believe:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/well/family/the-fear-of-having-a-son.html

    What a father he must be to his poor son.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @SPMoore8, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Whoever

    That’s an amazingly stupid article, but while it is ostensibly about a father’s anxiety for his son (who is going to be bullied because his father taught him to be vulnerable) it is really about the father’s wonderful nay even exquisite sensitivity and vulnerability.

    You can see this in the comments, because, just as this father is terrified for his son, other commenters are reprimanding him along the lines of, “you think you have it bad, what about those of us who can’t have any child / or who have children of color, etc. etc.” So, in other words, this is all self-stroking PC dramatics.

    The other interesting point is that the author suggests that the only reason “boys act like boys” and “men act like men” is because they are socially constructed to act that way.

    My experience is that boys are just as “vulnerable” as women, and they surely know it, but they have to have the armor and the outlook to overcome it, because otherwise things don’t get done, and young, testosterone laden men do not accomplish their various goals, because in fact the world is unfair, cruel, and competitive, and no matter what we might do to soften those things in society, that competition isn’t going anywhere, anymore than it is absent among women.

    I have known some men who are like this author; they make wonderful haters and have a deep seated resentment for other men. Aside from that, the self-regard is stupendous. Thus, crying is: “the single act that most liberates and heals a painful past that devalues masculine sensitivity.” Huh?

    Altogether this reminds me of the guy who test fired an AR-15 after the Orlando massacre and reported that he was suffering PTSD from the noise.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @SPMoore8

    The author isn't even consistent with the idea that masculinity is socially constructed. He says:


    Recently, I sent Macallah, now 5, to his room after he ignored my repeated requests to stop yelling and throwing his toys. More than even his dismissal, what bothered me was what many people refer to as “boy energy.” It’s a reactive, sometimes destructive, force that unnerved me even as a child.
     
    Obviously he recognizes that being a boy does something to the temperament biologically. But only bad things, of course.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  83. “Lowbrow”. Does the The American Interest know their contempt is reciprocated.

  84. @SPMoore8
    @candid_observer

    That's an amazingly stupid article, but while it is ostensibly about a father's anxiety for his son (who is going to be bullied because his father taught him to be vulnerable) it is really about the father's wonderful nay even exquisite sensitivity and vulnerability.

    You can see this in the comments, because, just as this father is terrified for his son, other commenters are reprimanding him along the lines of, "you think you have it bad, what about those of us who can't have any child / or who have children of color, etc. etc." So, in other words, this is all self-stroking PC dramatics.

    The other interesting point is that the author suggests that the only reason "boys act like boys" and "men act like men" is because they are socially constructed to act that way.

    My experience is that boys are just as "vulnerable" as women, and they surely know it, but they have to have the armor and the outlook to overcome it, because otherwise things don't get done, and young, testosterone laden men do not accomplish their various goals, because in fact the world is unfair, cruel, and competitive, and no matter what we might do to soften those things in society, that competition isn't going anywhere, anymore than it is absent among women.

    I have known some men who are like this author; they make wonderful haters and have a deep seated resentment for other men. Aside from that, the self-regard is stupendous. Thus, crying is: "the single act that most liberates and heals a painful past that devalues masculine sensitivity." Huh?

    Altogether this reminds me of the guy who test fired an AR-15 after the Orlando massacre and reported that he was suffering PTSD from the noise.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    The author isn’t even consistent with the idea that masculinity is socially constructed. He says:

    Recently, I sent Macallah, now 5, to his room after he ignored my repeated requests to stop yelling and throwing his toys. More than even his dismissal, what bothered me was what many people refer to as “boy energy.” It’s a reactive, sometimes destructive, force that unnerved me even as a child.

    Obviously he recognizes that being a boy does something to the temperament biologically. But only bad things, of course.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @candid_observer

    Well, it turns out that Professor Worrywart is passé, he has been supplanted by the latest issue that not only male autoethnography but even #BLM: I'm talking about #BreathingMatters


    Gender studies doctoral thesis: Feminist analysis of why breathing matters.https://t.co/fhTLSL3YFc pic.twitter.com/xhQ9PpfZzp— New Real Peer Review (@RealPeerReview) October 15, 2016
     
  85. @candid_observer
    Throwing Moldbug into the mix strikes me as off.

    Steve, Kaus, and the crew at Claremont and American Greatness, are all serious, sensible thinkers who don't like to be wrong about things, and are in fact right about a great many important things. One wants to say: together they almost comprehend the only serious, sensible thinkers on political matters now operating in the US .

    Moldbug is a crackpot. He apparently believes that we're heading toward a reinstatement of monarchy for Christ's sake. Why read further?

    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    Replies: @Laugh Track, @Decius, @Jack D, @ThoughtDeviant, @Wyrd, @Desiderius

    Thanks, appreciate it.

  86. @candid_observer
    Throwing Moldbug into the mix strikes me as off.

    Steve, Kaus, and the crew at Claremont and American Greatness, are all serious, sensible thinkers who don't like to be wrong about things, and are in fact right about a great many important things. One wants to say: together they almost comprehend the only serious, sensible thinkers on political matters now operating in the US .

    Moldbug is a crackpot. He apparently believes that we're heading toward a reinstatement of monarchy for Christ's sake. Why read further?

    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    Replies: @Laugh Track, @Decius, @Jack D, @ThoughtDeviant, @Wyrd, @Desiderius

    Moldbug’s body of work reminds me of Marx’s in this sense – they were both very good at diagnosing and describing the disease, but the cure that they prescribed would only make the patient sicker. Marx’s prescription had never been tried out before and then when it was, it almost killed every patient it was tried on, but Moldbug is prescribing an even older remedy (monarchism) which is well proven not to work so we don’t even have to try it again to discredit it.

    This is a very broad issue – understanding what is causing a problem is different than curing it. We have a pretty good idea of what causes cancer but we really don’t know how to fix it. Now this is better than believing that cancer is caused by evil spirits – at least we know where to look. But even with that knowledge, there are still many clinical trials that kill their patients or make them even sicker than they already are.

    • Agree: NOTA
    • Replies: @Bacon Eater
    @Jack D


    Moldbug is prescribing an even older remedy (monarchism) which is well proven not to work
     
    Proven how, pray tell?

    Because I have certainly heard progressives denouncing monarchism as they denounce everything from before 1965 or so, but I have yet to hear actual proof.

    Replies: @Jack D

  87. @Anonym
    There is something about being immersed in a sea of other that changes a person. Not just culture shock; call it racial shock or genetic shock. Kindred looks and behavior stand out in stark relief. One is drawn to them.

    California, Hungary, even Israel if you count them, all are leading indicators of what white opinion is going to be like with more immigration.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Old Palo Altan

    California and Hungary seem to me to be polar opposite cases – white people in California were willing to tolerate a LOT of immigration, to the point where now they are a minority, while Hungarians appear to have low tolerance for it.

    The “Israel” in WN’s head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews – you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn’t tell the whole story.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Jack D

    Sometimes even the border fences aren't good. It's pretty clear that the West Bank barrier has been kept unfinished and leaky on purpose, so that illegal Palestinian workers can come in and make money. It's in Israel's interest that the Palestinian Authority's economy not collapse, even at the cost of having hordes of suspicious Arab men squatting in the slums of Tel Aviv on weekdays.

    It's not true that the Egypt fence was built because of terrorists though. The African migrants were the primary impetus.

    , @Lot
    @Jack D

    Suburban Southern California whites elect anti-amnesty politicians. All five of the Southern California's GOP Congressmen have good to great records on immigration. Duncan Hunter from here in San Diego was the first and probably the strongest supporter of Trump in the primaries.

    Northern and interior California Republicans, with the exception of McClintock and LaMalfa, have bad records.

    Some of the interior CA Republicans are in "caste society" districts that are majority hispanic, with a small white (plus some white Hispanic and Portuguese) landowner class that actually votes and enjoys the profits from the labor of the Mexican serf majority.

    We actually have two Portuguese-American pro-amnesty Republicans in agricultural parts of the state:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devin_Nunes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Valadao

    Valadao's district is 19.3% white and 71.0% hispanic. Yet he keeps winning reelection against hispanic democrats, usually by a fair margin.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Jack D

    People forget that Hungary already has a sizeable and rapidly growing ethnic minority - gypsies. And that group is so disfunctional they make inner city African-Americans look like model citizens.

    Replies: @Lot, @Jefferson

    , @Big Bill
    @Jack D

    And the Israelis don't -- DO NOT -- let the goy peasants stick around once their work contract expires. That includes the Eastern European goy hookers who stock the Orthodox whorehouses.

    Some goy hooker manages to get free and go to the police saying she was promise a housekeeper's job? There's none of this "you-get-a-free-green-card-so-you-can-testify-against-the-whoremongers" stuff like in the USA. Nope. She goes straight back to her chump village in Moldova.

    Some cute Pilipina nursemaid and bottom-wiper gets knocked up in Israel? She's going home, too ... together with her sprog. No dopey "birthright" citizenship in Israel!

    I gotta hand it to them: the Israelis take a hard line, God bless 'em. They should be an example to all of us.

  88. … lowbrow blogs

    Not you, Steve!? Say it ain’t so, Steve. Say it ain’t so.

  89. @Jack D
    Moldbug's real identity is no secret . If you google Mencius Moldbug his real name (and photograph) comes right up on the 1st screen. I know that Steve is an old fashioned gentleman but in an age where sex videos are a route to stardom, we are WAAAY past Victorian notions of privacy. Even for Moldbug himself, his pen name was intended in ironic hipster fashion and not because he was a "respectable" gentleman who needed anonymity.

    La Griffe du Lion OTOH seems much more intent on concealing his identity, though some plausible guesses have been made. Although some of the guesses place him in academia, nowadays even tenure is not protection against being a badwhite so it's understandable that he continues to hide.

    Moldbug's writings have had a personal cost to him, as could be expected given the current McCarthyism of the left (which is perhaps worse than the real McCarthyism ever was). According to his wiki, in 2015, his invitation to speak about Urbit [his software product and how he earns a living] at the Strange Loop programming conference was rescinded following complaints made by other attendees. In 2016, his invitation to the LambdaConf functional programming conference resulted in the withdrawal of five speakers, two subconferences and several sponsors.

    Both Moldbug and La Griffe seem to have pulled the plug on further writing, though their archives remain online. I suppose there is only so much to be said, especially when the world does not seem to be prepared to listen.

    Replies: @No_0ne, @phil, @Corvinus, @guest

    La Griffe is an elderly professor who has spent most of his career at a highly-ranked university. He used to be married to another brilliant academic who is known to dedicated iSteve followers.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @phil

    I am well aware of the theories that La Griffe is RG (again I feel it is silly using these Victorian evasions in a digital age where there are few secrets that cannot be "googled", but I will play along) but I would consider it less than proven. Certainly RG has not come out and admitted that he is La Griffe (unlike Moldbug who makes no attempt to hide his real identity) and probably for amply good reason given conditions today (he must have no desire to be "Watsoned") so I would respect that.

  90. @countenance
    (1) This treats too many disparate thinkers and personalities with a broad brush. I don't think there's a through line between VDH and Moldbug, for example. Much less some of the other named individuals here.

    (2) Acelaservatism (Conservative orthodoxy developed in the Acela train east coast corridor, D.C. to Boston), aka Buckleyism, didn't fail, it actually succeeded. That's because its purpose was to be corporate and establishment friendly, and more important than that, never being any sort of conceivable threat to organized Jewish interests.

    (3) Quite some time ago, I read an interesting theory about why the concept of personal computing was born and raised in California and not Acela, even though Acela did have computing corporations. The theory goes like this: Acela computing business interests were big corporations that were used to dealing with other big corporations big institutions and big businesses in general, the Organization Man paradigm. IBM, NEC, and many others. Meanwhile, California had an individual/ist and small institution business mindset. The reason personal computing sprouted in California is that nobody back east thought of it. It's for the same reason why corporate-ish-oriented professional team sports are traditionally an eastern thing rather than a California thing.

    I wonder if this theory has any relevance to this article.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Busby, @Jack D, @Whiskey, @Brutusale

    The only problem with this is that in the end the IBM team won – Apple has a 7% market share and the other 93% are the offspring of the IBM-PC. Even modern Macs are IBM “clones”. IBM didn’t get there first but once they moved into the space all the other California PC pioneers (Atari, Altair etc.) were blasted out of the market and Apple was pushed into a small corner. Now IBM itself lost the market but that was later.

    • Replies: @keuril
    @Jack D

    Apple's penalty for "losing," as you put it, is to enjoy the lion's share of PC industry profits.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    The introduction of the PC by IBM gave corporate America the ok to buy them, because nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. The combo of the PC and VisiCalc/Lotus 123 computerized myriad tasks that had heretofore been done by hand, and made life easier for a lot of business people.

  91. “The California that elected Reagan its Governor was about 80 percent white and 12 percent Hispanic; today, those figures are 38 percent and 39 percent, respectively. In other words, California squeezed into forty years a transformation that is expected to take at least a century for America as a whole (if it takes place at all, given rates of assimilation and ethnic attrition) and which many Trump supporters clearly resent and fear.”

    For the record, Election Day, just twenty-four days hence, will mark the FIFTIETH anniversary of (erstwhile Democrat) Ronald Reagan’s gubernatorial victory over California’s then-incumbent Democratic governor– Governor Jerry Brown’s dad, Pat; per Wikipedia.org:

    ***

    On election day, Reagan was ahead in the polls and favored to win a relatively close election. Brown lost the 1966 election to Ronald Reagan in his second consecutive race against a future Republican President. Reagan won in a landslide; his nearly 1 million vote plurality surprised even his staunchest supporters. Reagan’s victory was a dramatic upheaval for an incumbent, whose majority of fifty-eight percent nearly matched that of Brown’s own victory in 1958, and Reagan garnered some 990,000 new votes from the larger electorate.

    ***

    “TEMPUS FUGIT!”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @D. K.

    Proof that you can totally eff up a prosperous democratic nation in fifty years. Main culprit being the left's long march through the institutions. I believe Pat Buchanan came up with this phrase.

    Replies: @D. K.

  92. @Jack D
    @Anonym

    California and Hungary seem to me to be polar opposite cases - white people in California were willing to tolerate a LOT of immigration, to the point where now they are a minority, while Hungarians appear to have low tolerance for it.

    The "Israel" in WN's head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews - you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn't tell the whole story.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Lot, @Peter Akuleyev, @Big Bill

    Sometimes even the border fences aren’t good. It’s pretty clear that the West Bank barrier has been kept unfinished and leaky on purpose, so that illegal Palestinian workers can come in and make money. It’s in Israel’s interest that the Palestinian Authority’s economy not collapse, even at the cost of having hordes of suspicious Arab men squatting in the slums of Tel Aviv on weekdays.

    It’s not true that the Egypt fence was built because of terrorists though. The African migrants were the primary impetus.

  93. @countenance
    (1) This treats too many disparate thinkers and personalities with a broad brush. I don't think there's a through line between VDH and Moldbug, for example. Much less some of the other named individuals here.

    (2) Acelaservatism (Conservative orthodoxy developed in the Acela train east coast corridor, D.C. to Boston), aka Buckleyism, didn't fail, it actually succeeded. That's because its purpose was to be corporate and establishment friendly, and more important than that, never being any sort of conceivable threat to organized Jewish interests.

    (3) Quite some time ago, I read an interesting theory about why the concept of personal computing was born and raised in California and not Acela, even though Acela did have computing corporations. The theory goes like this: Acela computing business interests were big corporations that were used to dealing with other big corporations big institutions and big businesses in general, the Organization Man paradigm. IBM, NEC, and many others. Meanwhile, California had an individual/ist and small institution business mindset. The reason personal computing sprouted in California is that nobody back east thought of it. It's for the same reason why corporate-ish-oriented professional team sports are traditionally an eastern thing rather than a California thing.

    I wonder if this theory has any relevance to this article.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Busby, @Jack D, @Whiskey, @Brutusale

    Personal computing took off in California not New York because of the confluence of newer research universities like Berkeley providing talent and human resources. Unlike say, New York City, the Bay Area had a LOT of programmers, electrical engineers, and others interested in being pioneers and really, really wanting a personal computer. It was the sheer number of people who knew each other and could help that pioneered personal computing long before the first Apple I.

    Of course, Apple ultimately succeeded by sticking to this model. Personal computers are ubiquitous, its is just now an Iphone or Android. Not a PC on a desk or a lap. Indeed Windows is so moribund that Microsoft is now putting Ubuntu command line utilities on Windows 10; almost all development takes place in the cloud offering constant connections and PaaS low cost. Heck half of Azure instances run Linux; and almost every web developer runs a Mac because web development on Windows is quite difficult. [Linux is a pain to set up.]

    Heroku for example does not run Windows Server.

    Now of course that network effect is global; people who read Steve can also read people in Europe, in Australia, and in the South; like Paul Kersey. You don’t have to sit next to someone on an Acela train and kiss ass to find things out.

  94. @candid_observer
    Throwing Moldbug into the mix strikes me as off.

    Steve, Kaus, and the crew at Claremont and American Greatness, are all serious, sensible thinkers who don't like to be wrong about things, and are in fact right about a great many important things. One wants to say: together they almost comprehend the only serious, sensible thinkers on political matters now operating in the US .

    Moldbug is a crackpot. He apparently believes that we're heading toward a reinstatement of monarchy for Christ's sake. Why read further?

    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    Replies: @Laugh Track, @Decius, @Jack D, @ThoughtDeviant, @Wyrd, @Desiderius

    Moldbug explains why all those high brow journals you linked to are ultimately futile and wasting their time. Why conservatives have been shouting about the encroachment of the left since the time of Froude.

  95. @candid_observer
    Throwing Moldbug into the mix strikes me as off.

    Steve, Kaus, and the crew at Claremont and American Greatness, are all serious, sensible thinkers who don't like to be wrong about things, and are in fact right about a great many important things. One wants to say: together they almost comprehend the only serious, sensible thinkers on political matters now operating in the US .

    Moldbug is a crackpot. He apparently believes that we're heading toward a reinstatement of monarchy for Christ's sake. Why read further?

    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    Replies: @Laugh Track, @Decius, @Jack D, @ThoughtDeviant, @Wyrd, @Desiderius

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    Sure that’s not Mencious Moldbug, my ADHD? I read his entire body of work and did not nod off once.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Wyrd

    He made me look up Jacobin.

  96. @Jack D
    @Anonym

    California and Hungary seem to me to be polar opposite cases - white people in California were willing to tolerate a LOT of immigration, to the point where now they are a minority, while Hungarians appear to have low tolerance for it.

    The "Israel" in WN's head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews - you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn't tell the whole story.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Lot, @Peter Akuleyev, @Big Bill

    Suburban Southern California whites elect anti-amnesty politicians. All five of the Southern California’s GOP Congressmen have good to great records on immigration. Duncan Hunter from here in San Diego was the first and probably the strongest supporter of Trump in the primaries.

    Northern and interior California Republicans, with the exception of McClintock and LaMalfa, have bad records.

    Some of the interior CA Republicans are in “caste society” districts that are majority hispanic, with a small white (plus some white Hispanic and Portuguese) landowner class that actually votes and enjoys the profits from the labor of the Mexican serf majority.

    We actually have two Portuguese-American pro-amnesty Republicans in agricultural parts of the state:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devin_Nunes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Valadao

    Valadao’s district is 19.3% white and 71.0% hispanic. Yet he keeps winning reelection against hispanic democrats, usually by a fair margin.

  97. @Lurker
    @Desiderius

    In my dank corners of the alt-right, no one reads Moldbug, no one mentions or refers to him, no one links to him. A lot of people have never heard of him.

    Yet when I see these kind of articles they always seem keen to shoe-horn Moldbug.

    Replies: @Lot, @guest

    I don’t read him either. I tried a few times, but I am not usually looking for verbose and jargon-filled longreads. However, his fellow techies do read him, and they count as much as 100 normal people.

  98. @candid_observer
    @SPMoore8

    The author isn't even consistent with the idea that masculinity is socially constructed. He says:


    Recently, I sent Macallah, now 5, to his room after he ignored my repeated requests to stop yelling and throwing his toys. More than even his dismissal, what bothered me was what many people refer to as “boy energy.” It’s a reactive, sometimes destructive, force that unnerved me even as a child.
     
    Obviously he recognizes that being a boy does something to the temperament biologically. But only bad things, of course.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Well, it turns out that Professor Worrywart is passé, he has been supplanted by the latest issue that not only male autoethnography but even #BLM: I’m talking about #BreathingMatters

    Gender studies doctoral thesis: Feminist analysis of why breathing matters.https://t.co/fhTLSL3YFc pic.twitter.com/xhQ9PpfZzp— New Real Peer Review (@RealPeerReview) October 15, 2016

  99. OT
    ‘Scenes from the apocalypse’: Filmmaker’s shocking footage shows once-romantic Paris covered in filth and rubbish as African migrants are forced to live on the streets.
    The video also captures the scene before the hundreds of young Africans, mainly Sudanese and Eritreans, were confronted by riot shields and tear gas.

    ******lotsa photos UK Daily Mail 15 October 2016 https://goo.gl/sUZD5n

  100. @Anonym
    There is something about being immersed in a sea of other that changes a person. Not just culture shock; call it racial shock or genetic shock. Kindred looks and behavior stand out in stark relief. One is drawn to them.

    California, Hungary, even Israel if you count them, all are leading indicators of what white opinion is going to be like with more immigration.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Old Palo Altan

    I am just back from a three week visit to my home state, including Palo Alto.
    The worst experience was walking to and from the library at San Francisco State (the Sutro genealogical library is now based there, alas). A third rate “university” which was at least honestly a “college” when I first was aware of it, and was 90% white, is now a hellish sight: only around every fourth person is white (officially – it seemed very much less to me); those who aren’t are from everywhere under the sun and exhibit every possible human attribute except intelligence and, usually, good looks. The whites mostly appear to wonder what they are doing there and how quickly they can get away.
    By the way, there were “Safe Places” on every floor, just opposite the elevators, no doubt so that a quick escape from the deadly threat of critical thinking would be “safe” and easy.
    The best experience? Why, Palo Alto of course. It was uncannily unchanged: a new library had replaced the one I knew, only it looked exactly the same. More astoundingly, so did the people using it. As I left, two boys, aged perhaps ten and eight, brothers probably, were exchanging a few words before they mounted their bikes and drove home. “I did say I was sorry you know” piped the elder of the two in solemn tones. I nearly cried.
    Later as I took Embarcadero eastwards to 101 I saw two golden-haired little girls , no more than seven and five, walking along the sidewalk, entirely unaccompanied. Much of my stay was in otherwise equally affluent parts of California, from St Helena in the Napa Valley to Holmby Hills
    hard by the LA Country Club, from Carmel to Capistrano Beach. Nowhere, but nowhere, did I see children unaccompanied for one single moment – except in Palo Alto.
    The people who live in that blessed spot are the leaders and pacemakers of the future as well as of the present. They will not allow their paradise to disappear under the weight of the stupidity of the masses – or of the politicians either for that matter.
    I suggest that in time more and more of them will begin to see the force of “race realist” arguments and will not only act in accordance with them in their daily lives (as they already d0) but in their political and cultural decision making as well.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Old Palo Altan

    As a fellow old Palo Altan, I beg to differ.

    New Palo Altans, like Zuckerberg, are building walls for themselves where none used to exist, and doing their damnest to promote Lennonism for the rest of us.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    , @Lot
    @Old Palo Altan

    Yes, the older parts of California that are mostly white and rich are idyllic in a way you can't quite find elsewhere in the world. Palo Altans, however, largely favor open borders for the USA, even while the price of entry to Palo Alto itself is $1.8 million, the price of the cheapest single family home in the city right now. And they are eager to make the entry price even higher by blocking all development.

  101. @PiltdownMan

    Beverly Hills HS, 1968: Student body president Mickey Kaus discusses the Velvet Underground’s music with two administrators while Lou Reed wonders how a high school kid cajoled him into playing this school assembly
     
    Several years ago, my nephew who was a student at Summit High School in Summit, NJ told me that the school lore had it that the Velvet Underground played at his school—long before he was born. I just googled, and in the years since his mentioning that, the concert seems to have become well documented. It turns out to have been their first concert, in 1965.

    http://www.avclub.com/video/visiting-the-high-school-auditorium-that-introduce-82633

    http://www.njarts.net/pop-rock/50th-anniversary-for-velvet-undergrounds-landmark-launch-at-summit-high-school/

    Replies: @wren

    Too many wikileaks and false accusations for me. I’m starting to recognize patterns where they don’t exist.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/ny-times-gets-punked-fake-groping-victim-used-velvet-underground-song-describe-trumped-attack/

    Haha.

  102. @Jack D
    Moldbug's real identity is no secret . If you google Mencius Moldbug his real name (and photograph) comes right up on the 1st screen. I know that Steve is an old fashioned gentleman but in an age where sex videos are a route to stardom, we are WAAAY past Victorian notions of privacy. Even for Moldbug himself, his pen name was intended in ironic hipster fashion and not because he was a "respectable" gentleman who needed anonymity.

    La Griffe du Lion OTOH seems much more intent on concealing his identity, though some plausible guesses have been made. Although some of the guesses place him in academia, nowadays even tenure is not protection against being a badwhite so it's understandable that he continues to hide.

    Moldbug's writings have had a personal cost to him, as could be expected given the current McCarthyism of the left (which is perhaps worse than the real McCarthyism ever was). According to his wiki, in 2015, his invitation to speak about Urbit [his software product and how he earns a living] at the Strange Loop programming conference was rescinded following complaints made by other attendees. In 2016, his invitation to the LambdaConf functional programming conference resulted in the withdrawal of five speakers, two subconferences and several sponsors.

    Both Moldbug and La Griffe seem to have pulled the plug on further writing, though their archives remain online. I suppose there is only so much to be said, especially when the world does not seem to be prepared to listen.

    Replies: @No_0ne, @phil, @Corvinus, @guest

    “Moldbug’s writings have had a personal cost to him, as could be expected given the current McCarthyism of the left (which is perhaps worse than the real McCarthyism ever was).”

    Interesting how a number of Alt Righters seek not to include Jews in their movement–they are entryists and will inevitably supplant the host–even though he is Jewish.

    Moldberg’s writing are meandering and digestible in small quantities. His intellectual make-up and quirky behavior traits seem pivotal to lending himself to favor monarchial rule and traditional gender roles. He has rabid followers who tout his ideas about the necessity of a hierarchal aristocracy leading the masses through brute force if required.

    “I suppose there is only so much to be said, especially when the world does not seem to be prepared to listen.”

    Why on earth would any white male be inclined to give up their fundamental freedoms for THIS…

    “The formalization of political powers, thirdly, allows for the possibility of effective government. Once the universe of democratic corruption is converted into a (freely transferable) shareholding in gov-corp. the owners of the state can initiate rational corporate governance, beginning with the appointment of a CEO. As with any business, the interests of the state are now precisely formalized as the maximization of long-term shareholder value. There is no longer any need for residents (clients) to take any interest in politics whatsoever. In fact, to do so would be to exhibit semi-criminal proclivities. If gov-corp doesn’t deliver acceptable value for its taxes (sovereign rent), they can notify its customer service function, and if necessary take their custom elsewhere. Gov-corp would concentrate upon running an efficient, attractive, vital, clean, and secure country, of a kind that is able to draw customers. No voice, free exit.”

  103. @Jack D
    @countenance

    The only problem with this is that in the end the IBM team won - Apple has a 7% market share and the other 93% are the offspring of the IBM-PC. Even modern Macs are IBM "clones". IBM didn't get there first but once they moved into the space all the other California PC pioneers (Atari, Altair etc.) were blasted out of the market and Apple was pushed into a small corner. Now IBM itself lost the market but that was later.

    Replies: @keuril, @Jim Don Bob

    Apple’s penalty for “losing,” as you put it, is to enjoy the lion’s share of PC industry profits.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @keuril

    If Apple makes "the lion's share" of PC industry profits it's only because the PC industry as a whole is not profitable anymore - 1/2 of nothing is still nothing. Mac is maybe 10 or 12% of Apple revenues and even less of profits. PC's are a mature and declining market. Luckily for Apple, they are dominant in the phone space, which is where all the $ is now.

  104. Somewhat off topic but WHY isn’t Trump bringing up Billy Clinton’s multiple visits to Pedophile Island?? While feminists, and the NYT seem fine with throwing Bill’s women, and his African American son under the bus, commandeering underage vagina’s should be more difficult for them to ignore, or rationalize.

    Return to Pedophile Island!!

  105. @wren
    Congrats for being one of the cool kids. I think.

    I was about to post this in the Uncle Tom thread, since it is now abundantly clear who Obama's master is, but it fits under this post too, somewhat, since the guy grew up in San Rafael.

    "The most important Wikileak of all" showed that Obama's cabinet was chosen for him by Citibank:


    The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money. It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.
     
    https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

    Mr. Froman, who presented Obama with his choices looks a bit like Gene Wilder. I won't make other comments about him.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Froman

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan, @Big Bill

    Well, Obama got a few of his buddies in pretty good positions.

    Cassandra Quin Butts (better know to her friends as Sandy Butts) was a close friend and drinking buddy at HLS. She lead Obama’s transition team and almost got an ambassadorship.

    (((Julius Genachowski))) was an HLR pal. He was groomed as a USSC clerk at HLS. Obama gave him the Chairmanship of the FCC. He moved on after a year to make the big bucks.

    I am sure there were several more.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Big Bill

    I wonder how many of them were on the "Citibank approved" list?

    I saw the cabinet list, but I didn't see his other lists of citi certified women and minorities.

  106. @D. K.
    "The California that elected Reagan its Governor was about 80 percent white and 12 percent Hispanic; today, those figures are 38 percent and 39 percent, respectively. In other words, California squeezed into forty years a transformation that is expected to take at least a century for America as a whole (if it takes place at all, given rates of assimilation and ethnic attrition) and which many Trump supporters clearly resent and fear."

    For the record, Election Day, just twenty-four days hence, will mark the FIFTIETH anniversary of (erstwhile Democrat) Ronald Reagan's gubernatorial victory over California's then-incumbent Democratic governor-- Governor Jerry Brown's dad, Pat; per Wikipedia.org:

    ***

    On election day, Reagan was ahead in the polls and favored to win a relatively close election. Brown lost the 1966 election to Ronald Reagan in his second consecutive race against a future Republican President. Reagan won in a landslide; his nearly 1 million vote plurality surprised even his staunchest supporters. Reagan's victory was a dramatic upheaval for an incumbent, whose majority of fifty-eight percent nearly matched that of Brown's own victory in 1958, and Reagan garnered some 990,000 new votes from the larger electorate.

    ***

    "TEMPUS FUGIT!"

    Replies: @Clyde

    Proof that you can totally eff up a prosperous democratic nation in fifty years. Main culprit being the left’s long march through the institutions. I believe Pat Buchanan came up with this phrase.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Clyde

    http://www.virginiainstitute.org/viewpoint/2005_09_5.html

  107. @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    It comes down, as Steve always say, to noticing or the lack thereof. Our problem is very much one of noticing or false consciousness amongst the men and women we have put in charge of our important institutions. They make bad witnesses, weak authorities (in the old sense of the word) and frankly, they are losing their grip in a changing world.

    Now, I come here to read iSteve not so much because I agree with Steve but because I trust that Steve is doing something a lot closer to good-faith noticing than I will get from a lot of highly credentialed and well-liked people.

    I have no clue on how it will all play out but historians of the future will have a heckuva time piecing together what exactly happened and why our societies grew complacent with letting such poor witnesses to life manifest and glom onto our most cherished institutions.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @guest

    This is why I don’t trust journalism in general. Because I can tell in this case they’re making it up, I extrapolate that they make everything else up, too.

    We live in a world of massive, constant deception. I just got done reading Walter Lipmann’s “Public Opinion,” so maybe that’s coloring my thoughts.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @guest

    I read it almost 40 years ago and its points are even truer today than when Lippman wrote it in the 20s. The degraded quality of "hard" news, the domination of "infotainment" and the 9-second attention span of the average American is just sheep to slaughter.

  108. @Old Palo Altan
    @Anonym

    I am just back from a three week visit to my home state, including Palo Alto.
    The worst experience was walking to and from the library at San Francisco State (the Sutro genealogical library is now based there, alas). A third rate "university" which was at least honestly a "college" when I first was aware of it, and was 90% white, is now a hellish sight: only around every fourth person is white (officially - it seemed very much less to me); those who aren't are from everywhere under the sun and exhibit every possible human attribute except intelligence and, usually, good looks. The whites mostly appear to wonder what they are doing there and how quickly they can get away.
    By the way, there were "Safe Places" on every floor, just opposite the elevators, no doubt so that a quick escape from the deadly threat of critical thinking would be "safe" and easy.
    The best experience? Why, Palo Alto of course. It was uncannily unchanged: a new library had replaced the one I knew, only it looked exactly the same. More astoundingly, so did the people using it. As I left, two boys, aged perhaps ten and eight, brothers probably, were exchanging a few words before they mounted their bikes and drove home. "I did say I was sorry you know" piped the elder of the two in solemn tones. I nearly cried.
    Later as I took Embarcadero eastwards to 101 I saw two golden-haired little girls , no more than seven and five, walking along the sidewalk, entirely unaccompanied. Much of my stay was in otherwise equally affluent parts of California, from St Helena in the Napa Valley to Holmby Hills
    hard by the LA Country Club, from Carmel to Capistrano Beach. Nowhere, but nowhere, did I see children unaccompanied for one single moment - except in Palo Alto.
    The people who live in that blessed spot are the leaders and pacemakers of the future as well as of the present. They will not allow their paradise to disappear under the weight of the stupidity of the masses - or of the politicians either for that matter.
    I suggest that in time more and more of them will begin to see the force of "race realist" arguments and will not only act in accordance with them in their daily lives (as they already d0) but in their political and cultural decision making as well.

    Replies: @wren, @Lot

    As a fellow old Palo Altan, I beg to differ.

    New Palo Altans, like Zuckerberg, are building walls for themselves where none used to exist, and doing their damnest to promote Lennonism for the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @wren

    I did say "in time".

  109. Surprised NJ wasn’t mentioned along with CA & NY as states that have experienced dramatic racial change in the past 50 years. It’s non-Hispanic white population is around 55% or so it was over 80% in the 1970 census.

    The only way GOP survives there is by droning on about taxes, which has some resonance left.

  110. @Desiderius
    @countenance


    I don’t think there’s a through line between VDH and Moldbug
     
    Think harder.

    They're both uncommonly attuned to exceptionally prescient voices from our shared past, VDH further past than Moldbug.

    Replies: @Bill, @Lurker, @guest

    “They’re both uncommonly attuned to exceptionally prescient voices from our shared past”

    So they’re both right-wing. Got it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @guest


    So they’re both right-wing. Got it.
     
    No, I don't believe that you do.

    Noticing is not a left-right thing.

    Hanson, Moldbug and Steve are all noticers. Only the time frames vary.

    Replies: @guest

  111. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    California? Immigation? H1-B and visa abuse? Politicians as sell outs? California as the bellwether of the future?

    Mandatory Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, news:

    “Outsourced IT workers ask Feinstein for help, get form letter in return:
    Senator responds to University of California IT employees whose jobs are going to India”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Oct 12, 2016:

    “…A University of California IT employee whose job is being outsourced to India recently wrote Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) for help.

    Feinstein’s office sent back a letter… no assistance.

    …The employee is part of a group of 50 IT workers and another 30 contractors facing layoffs after the university hired an offshore outsourcing firm. The firm, India-based HCL, won a contract to manage infrastructure services…

    …contract is worth about $50 million over five years and can be leveraged by other university campuses — meaning they could also bring in HCL…

    San Francisco (UCSF) campus, are slated to lose their jobs in February and say they will be training foreign replacements.

    …the school has posted Labor Condition Applications (LCA) notices — as required by federal law when H-1B workers are being placed

    …some available to Computerworld. They show that the jobs… are… programmer analyst II and network administrator IV…

    …existing UCSF employee… “Many of us can easily fill the job. We are training them to replace us,”…

    …”…I am being asked to do knowledge transfer to a foreigner so they can take over my job in February of 2017.”…

    …This contract will more than likely not save the University money, but it will definitely wipe out what is now a somewhat diverse workplace.”…”

    Of course an eventual all-Indian workforce (it happens fast, after the middle managers are all Indian) will make for a non-white, cheaper, and likely more compliant workplace. Isn’t that all that matters? (Ignore issues of productivity, we’re talking the UC system here.)

    And always remember, kids, be sure to study computers really hard! Stupid uneducated Americans are why the US is falling behind in the world! More Compute Camps for Girls!

    “…Feinstein’s office wrote back:

    “…I have received many heartfelt letters from Californians who have either lost their jobs when their company moved jobs overseas, or know people who have. It is very troubling to me that the downsizing of companies and the outsourcing of jobs appears to be becoming a trend not only in California, but nationwide. The striking loss of good jobs in California certainly indicates that both the downsizing of companies and the outsourcing of jobs are playing an increasingly prevalent role in our economy.”

    “As such, I believe that instead of excusing the loss of high paying jobs as inevitable, we should be taking reasonable and sensible measures to stop encouraging U.S. companies to move their employees overseas…”

    “…”We also need to invest in our future. We must continue to fund and strengthen our domestic education system,…”

    “…we must invest in appropriate safety nets for those who are temporarily displaced by shifts in domestic industry.”

    “…more affordable healthcare for those between jobs…”

    “…I am very troubled by the loss of American jobs and will continue to investigate the roots of this problem…”

    …She could have also asked California’s governor to take a look at the IT outsourcing or… the University of California… to ask why a partially taxpayer-supported university is moving jobs to India.

    Feinstein also has another close connection to UCSF. Her husband, Richard Blum, is on the Board of Regents overseeing the University of California system.”

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @anonymous

    You really could not make this stuff up. . .

  112. @5371
    [Trumpism—a take-no-prisoners, rearguard attack on America’s democratic institutions]

    So that's what "conservatives" are calling an attempt to use America's democratic institutions these days!

    Replies: @Sagamore Sam

    . . . attack on America’s democratic institutions . . .

    Hmmm. So that’s what trying to win an election is called by folks in the Imperial City?

    This kind of semi-sophistry is actually a good thing, in that it challenges us to think more broadly about who we are, and what we’re about. This new intellectual vanguard he’s referring to should be focused, not on the present election, but on what will proceed in the aftermath of Trump. In less than a month’s time, this campaign will be over.

    There is a sense of immense but essentially inchoate energy that is stimulated by Trump today. Will it dissipate? What will arise after this election? Who will claim Trump’s mantle? Are there pieces that can be put together into something useful? What is the long term strategy? Codevilla’s recent “After the Republic” essay mentioned in the article is a nicely dour assessment of the fundamental current state of things, but who else is thinking about the subject?

    (If one hasn’t read Codevilla’s piece (http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/after-the-republic/%5D, one isn’t a seriously “deplorable” person.)

    The Left has been engaged in this civil war for a century. Today they occupy all the high ground, and, while they still make occasional tactical mistakes, on every front their success seems ineluctable. It took them generations of struggle, but for the entire living memory of a majority of Americans, the Left has owned the organs of mass propaganda and the schools, their soldiers have sat on the court benches and corporate boards, and their intellectuals have written the first, second, and third versions of history in our newspapers, screenplays, and history books.

    It is quite possible for an ordinary American adult to have lived his or her life without ever having felt the need (let alone option) to challenge the power of the Left. One learned the catechism from pre-school to grad school, and life in the “real” world is narrated sufficiently by ABCNBCCBSCNN(NPR/PBS?) that one would never think to ask any awkward questions. For such a person, the Narrative version of the Trumpian fringe may seem a bit strained. First of all, 40 percent is a “fringe”? How can 40% of Americans – many of whom seem to look a lot like two or three of ones’ own relatives – be cheering for this racist/sexist/homophobic Hitlerian troglodyte? . . . But the thought soon passes. For members of the Church of Goodism, hating the haters makes one feel really good.

    How do we change THAT?

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Sagamore Sam


    It is quite possible for an ordinary American adult to have lived his or her life without ever having felt the need (let alone option) to challenge the power of the Left. One learned the catechism from pre-school to grad school, and life in the “real” world is narrated sufficiently by ABCNBCCBSCNN(NPR/PBS?) that one would never think to ask any awkward questions.

    . . .

    How do we change THAT?

     

    I don't think that we do. History is replete with examples of human folly, individual and mass. We can only strive to say what is true, do what is right, and pray for God's justice and mercy. Opening eyes, hearts, and minds is ultimately up to Him.
  113. @Jack D
    @Anonym

    California and Hungary seem to me to be polar opposite cases - white people in California were willing to tolerate a LOT of immigration, to the point where now they are a minority, while Hungarians appear to have low tolerance for it.

    The "Israel" in WN's head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews - you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn't tell the whole story.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Lot, @Peter Akuleyev, @Big Bill

    People forget that Hungary already has a sizeable and rapidly growing ethnic minority – gypsies. And that group is so disfunctional they make inner city African-Americans look like model citizens.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Lot
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with US inner cities.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Jack D

    , @Jefferson
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "People forget that Hungary already has a sizeable and rapidly growing ethnic minority – gypsies. And that group is so disfunctional they make inner city African-Americans look like model citizens."

    Hungary must have a higher per capita murder rate than The United States if Gypsies are more violent than Blacks.

  114. @Lurker
    @Desiderius

    In my dank corners of the alt-right, no one reads Moldbug, no one mentions or refers to him, no one links to him. A lot of people have never heard of him.

    Yet when I see these kind of articles they always seem keen to shoe-horn Moldbug.

    Replies: @Lot, @guest

    I read his oeuvre, after bumping into him accidentally and a few initial abortive tries. To my knowledge I don’t encounter Moldbugians on the sites I frequent. Whenever his name comes up it’s usually people saying he talks like a fag and his shit’s all retarded.

    So who knows why he constantly pops up in articles like this. Except that he targeted progressives and former progressives in his writings, and they were intended to be entry points for “red pilling.” There are lots of those, of course, but his is highbrow, not tied icky things like fascism or pick-up artistry, and is Jew-friendly.

    Maybe it’s as simple as Joe Prog blogged about him in ’09, which was picked up by an article in the Blue Times, links to which went round the world. Like how they pretend Breitbart is behind every alt-right undertaking, because they’ve heard of it and they’re lazy.

  115. As I already said, Moldbug’s brilliance lies in his diagnosis of the disease, not in his proposed cures. Imagine you are the patient – the West – and you go to Dr. Moldbug – he tells you that you weigh 400 lbs. and your cholesterol is sky high and you had better do something soon or else you are headed for a heart attack. Maybe he then prescribes some kind of wacky diet. No good, you say – there’s no way I’m adopting an all tofu diet.

    But then you visit Dr. Hillary and she tells you everything is fine – just keep doing what you are doing now – maybe even eat a few more Big Macs. Which is worse?

    Moldbug’s idea of government run as a business is not that far off from say Singapore. You might not like living in Singapore – the idea of getting horsewhipped if you drop your gum on the sidewalk might seem a bit much for you. But what if your only other choice was Detroit or Caracas? Given the direction that demographics are running in, this is where most or all (formerly white) democracies are headed in.

    Yes, ideally someone might figure out a way to restore white female fertility while reigning in non-white fertility and immigration, so that we could continue to have (or get back to having) functioning a white majority societies, but no one has found the recipe for that yet. You may posit a better society where negative feminine and other fringe tendencies are reigned in as they were in the past (BTW certain masculine tendencies, such as those for engaging in wars that kill millions, haven’t been all that great either), but no one knows how to achieve or get back to that society from where we are today, short of imposing sharia law.

    And if you do, you still have the problems that led to the downfall of the old system in the 1st place. To take Russia as an example, some people believe that it is Putin’s dream to run the clock backward and restore the Soviet Bloc as it existed in 1989. Even that would be a gargantuan task and one that is beyond even Putin’s capabilities – yes he may claw back bits and pieces of the old empire but he is never going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again 100%. But even if he did, the same forces that blew it apart the first time would still be present.

    What if I told you the good old days were gone and not coming back, so the only choice left to you is to choose the best of bad alternatives? Because I am afraid that in 3 weeks that will become clear.

    • Replies: @Craken
    @Jack D

    Moldbug is too verbose and difficult ever to be a popular writer. This was intentional. The result is that few know of him, and those who have encountered him generally come away with misunderstandings or partial understandings. The cumulative power of his critique of modern Leftism is impressive--but requires wading through posts totaling a million words, and some of the work is repetitious. Even an elite readership can be put off by the repetition, disorganization, and length--a Moldbug Anthology would be useful if it does not dumb down the critique. To avoid popularity, it might be best to abbreviate the work--but make it more difficult.

    He also has his flaws, especially in the direction of excessive dogmatism. This is why he quickly stopped engaging in dialogue with his commenters and ignored key criticisms of his ideas. His positive program is problematic in many ways and reads more like sci-fi speculation than a realistic option. However, it's not just Moldbug's failing: finding a realistic positive program remains an unmet challenge for the Right, especially the American Right. We may need a second Moldbug to formulate a positive plan.

    Replies: @guest

  116. @Jack D
    @candid_observer

    Moldbug's body of work reminds me of Marx's in this sense - they were both very good at diagnosing and describing the disease, but the cure that they prescribed would only make the patient sicker. Marx's prescription had never been tried out before and then when it was, it almost killed every patient it was tried on, but Moldbug is prescribing an even older remedy (monarchism) which is well proven not to work so we don't even have to try it again to discredit it.


    This is a very broad issue - understanding what is causing a problem is different than curing it. We have a pretty good idea of what causes cancer but we really don't know how to fix it. Now this is better than believing that cancer is caused by evil spirits - at least we know where to look. But even with that knowledge, there are still many clinical trials that kill their patients or make them even sicker than they already are.

    Replies: @Bacon Eater

    Moldbug is prescribing an even older remedy (monarchism) which is well proven not to work

    Proven how, pray tell?

    Because I have certainly heard progressives denouncing monarchism as they denounce everything from before 1965 or so, but I have yet to hear actual proof.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bacon Eater

    Proven in the Darwinian sense. If monarchism was a fit system it would not have disappeared (except for vestigial forms) in every Western country. You could argue that WWI sent monarchism to an early grave, but monarchism (even the fact that the Kaiser and the Czar and George V were cousins and looked like each other) was not able to prevent or stop the war.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

  117. @Jack D
    Moldbug's real identity is no secret . If you google Mencius Moldbug his real name (and photograph) comes right up on the 1st screen. I know that Steve is an old fashioned gentleman but in an age where sex videos are a route to stardom, we are WAAAY past Victorian notions of privacy. Even for Moldbug himself, his pen name was intended in ironic hipster fashion and not because he was a "respectable" gentleman who needed anonymity.

    La Griffe du Lion OTOH seems much more intent on concealing his identity, though some plausible guesses have been made. Although some of the guesses place him in academia, nowadays even tenure is not protection against being a badwhite so it's understandable that he continues to hide.

    Moldbug's writings have had a personal cost to him, as could be expected given the current McCarthyism of the left (which is perhaps worse than the real McCarthyism ever was). According to his wiki, in 2015, his invitation to speak about Urbit [his software product and how he earns a living] at the Strange Loop programming conference was rescinded following complaints made by other attendees. In 2016, his invitation to the LambdaConf functional programming conference resulted in the withdrawal of five speakers, two subconferences and several sponsors.

    Both Moldbug and La Griffe seem to have pulled the plug on further writing, though their archives remain online. I suppose there is only so much to be said, especially when the world does not seem to be prepared to listen.

    Replies: @No_0ne, @phil, @Corvinus, @guest

    Moldbug wrote about that very phenomenon, as I recall. The Red Scare was intense but short. The Brown Scare is forever, and continues to this day.

  118. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ah, the wonders of diversity, eh? East coasties, check out your future! Some of you in some areas (Washington, D.C.?) are probably already there, or close.

    “Despite IT layoffs, UCal academics will stay on HCL boards:
    University of California contract with IT services vendors raises systemwide questions”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Sep 30, 2016:

    “…The dean of engineering at the University of California, Berkeley, S. Shankar Sastry, also serves on the board of HCL Technologies.

    …The decision to hire HCL to manage infrastructure at UCSF is bad news for… its IT employees…

    …The contract that UCSF reached with HCL… can be leveraged throughout the university system. …The university reports $28.5 billion in operating revenues

    …Ron Hira, an associate professor of public policy at Howard University… said that Sastry’s HCL board membership “is troubling in a number of ways.”

    “First, the firm’s profit model is based upon destroying U.S. IT and engineering jobs,” Hira said. The firm is also a major user of the temporary visa program, the H-1B and L-1 visas, he noted.

    …”There is a glaring appearance of a conflict of interest.”

    …Sastry should resign immediately from the HCL Technologies board…

    Pradeep K. Khosla, chancellor of the University of California, San Diego (UCSD), is on the board of HCL Infosystems…”

  119. The Claremont clique are later comers now climbing on the Trump wagon for patronage. They are first cousins of the Neoconservatives and entirely untrustworthy

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    @Clyde Wilson


    The Claremont clique are later comers now climbing on the Trump wagon for patronage. They are first cousins of the Neoconservatives and entirely untrustworthy
     
    Exactly.
  120. • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @bill brasky

    And this is the bad news part of the article: "David Corn, the Washington bureau chief of Mother Jones, is serving as a consultant." We all know what a humor mag Mother Jones is.

    , @Jack D
    @bill brasky

    The movie did not do justice to the book but maybe no 2 hour movie could have. But surely they could have come a lot closer . If the script of the Maltese Falcon was written by crossing out lines in the book, the movie took the opposite approach - take as little dialog as possible from Wolfe. A longer form is more promising but I'm not sure if master of situation comedy Lorre (or Chaim Levine as Charlie Sheen calls him) is the man for the job. One of the major problems with the movie is that it was played too much for easy laughs. Wolfe is funny but his work is much deeper than just funny.

    The book is non-PC by 2016 standards. Perhaps now that a few decades have passed, it could be sold as being set "in the bad old days" , like Mad Man was - look at those old time racists, can't we pat ourselves on the back for being more enlightened today? And if so, they wouldn't have to clean up Wolfe's dialog and plot to make it meet current year PC standards. Let's hope so.

  121. @Jack D
    @Anonym

    California and Hungary seem to me to be polar opposite cases - white people in California were willing to tolerate a LOT of immigration, to the point where now they are a minority, while Hungarians appear to have low tolerance for it.

    The "Israel" in WN's head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews - you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn't tell the whole story.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Lot, @Peter Akuleyev, @Big Bill

    And the Israelis don’t — DO NOT — let the goy peasants stick around once their work contract expires. That includes the Eastern European goy hookers who stock the Orthodox whorehouses.

    Some goy hooker manages to get free and go to the police saying she was promise a housekeeper’s job? There’s none of this “you-get-a-free-green-card-so-you-can-testify-against-the-whoremongers” stuff like in the USA. Nope. She goes straight back to her chump village in Moldova.

    Some cute Pilipina nursemaid and bottom-wiper gets knocked up in Israel? She’s going home, too … together with her sprog. No dopey “birthright” citizenship in Israel!

    I gotta hand it to them: the Israelis take a hard line, God bless ’em. They should be an example to all of us.

  122. @Jack D
    @countenance

    The only problem with this is that in the end the IBM team won - Apple has a 7% market share and the other 93% are the offspring of the IBM-PC. Even modern Macs are IBM "clones". IBM didn't get there first but once they moved into the space all the other California PC pioneers (Atari, Altair etc.) were blasted out of the market and Apple was pushed into a small corner. Now IBM itself lost the market but that was later.

    Replies: @keuril, @Jim Don Bob

    The introduction of the PC by IBM gave corporate America the ok to buy them, because nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. The combo of the PC and VisiCalc/Lotus 123 computerized myriad tasks that had heretofore been done by hand, and made life easier for a lot of business people.

  123. @Old Palo Altan
    @Anonym

    I am just back from a three week visit to my home state, including Palo Alto.
    The worst experience was walking to and from the library at San Francisco State (the Sutro genealogical library is now based there, alas). A third rate "university" which was at least honestly a "college" when I first was aware of it, and was 90% white, is now a hellish sight: only around every fourth person is white (officially - it seemed very much less to me); those who aren't are from everywhere under the sun and exhibit every possible human attribute except intelligence and, usually, good looks. The whites mostly appear to wonder what they are doing there and how quickly they can get away.
    By the way, there were "Safe Places" on every floor, just opposite the elevators, no doubt so that a quick escape from the deadly threat of critical thinking would be "safe" and easy.
    The best experience? Why, Palo Alto of course. It was uncannily unchanged: a new library had replaced the one I knew, only it looked exactly the same. More astoundingly, so did the people using it. As I left, two boys, aged perhaps ten and eight, brothers probably, were exchanging a few words before they mounted their bikes and drove home. "I did say I was sorry you know" piped the elder of the two in solemn tones. I nearly cried.
    Later as I took Embarcadero eastwards to 101 I saw two golden-haired little girls , no more than seven and five, walking along the sidewalk, entirely unaccompanied. Much of my stay was in otherwise equally affluent parts of California, from St Helena in the Napa Valley to Holmby Hills
    hard by the LA Country Club, from Carmel to Capistrano Beach. Nowhere, but nowhere, did I see children unaccompanied for one single moment - except in Palo Alto.
    The people who live in that blessed spot are the leaders and pacemakers of the future as well as of the present. They will not allow their paradise to disappear under the weight of the stupidity of the masses - or of the politicians either for that matter.
    I suggest that in time more and more of them will begin to see the force of "race realist" arguments and will not only act in accordance with them in their daily lives (as they already d0) but in their political and cultural decision making as well.

    Replies: @wren, @Lot

    Yes, the older parts of California that are mostly white and rich are idyllic in a way you can’t quite find elsewhere in the world. Palo Altans, however, largely favor open borders for the USA, even while the price of entry to Palo Alto itself is $1.8 million, the price of the cheapest single family home in the city right now. And they are eager to make the entry price even higher by blocking all development.

  124. @bill brasky
    OT but clearly of interest to you:

    http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/chuck-lorre-bonfire-of-the-vanities-amazon-1201889157/

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D

    And this is the bad news part of the article: “David Corn, the Washington bureau chief of Mother Jones, is serving as a consultant.” We all know what a humor mag Mother Jones is.

  125. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Jack D

    People forget that Hungary already has a sizeable and rapidly growing ethnic minority - gypsies. And that group is so disfunctional they make inner city African-Americans look like model citizens.

    Replies: @Lot, @Jefferson

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with US inner cities.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Lot

    Gypsies are less murderous, but in any other respect (from petty crime through illegitimacy to low IQs) they are at least as disfunctional as blacks, and they are largely incapable of holding any kind of jobs. And most Hungarians have had a lot of interactions with Gypsies, so lots of personal experience with them for most people.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Jack D
    @Lot

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.

    This is like arguing which is worse, cholera or typhus, but, for example, there are many gypsies that make their living by sending out their small children to beg and pickpocket. Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded. The closest thing to gypsies in American culture (other than gypsies themselves) would be "carny" culture - they view all outsiders as "marks" whom it is not wrong to take advantage of in any way possible. Most American blacks are not really smart enough to run cons - their level of con man sophistication usually peaks out at the "I need a dollar for train fare" level, which is not very impressive (Buddy Fletcher being the exception). Gypsies will never make it to the Bernie Madoff league but they are good at putting lonely widows in touch with their departed husbands (while emptying their bank accounts) and that kind of thing.

    Replies: @Lot, @Jefferson, @Jefferson

  126. What is clear is that, like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, East Coast leaders of conservative thought are watching as heresies ferment and proliferate on the margins of their domain. In early Christendom, these challenges lasted centuries, and some heresies were never fully extinguished, but Roman Christians ultimately repositioned their church as the primary steward and author of the faith in Europe. Whether the embattled intellectuals in conservatism’s Northeastern capital can marginalize their own fringe and enjoy a similar period of renewal remains to be seen. As of 2016, the hinterland heretics are still very much on the march.

    His wrapping analogy seems to me like a massive exercise in *missing the point*.

    The Church wasn’t just some random “faith”–“keep the faith bro’”–hunkered down in the Hudson\AEI monasteries. The Church was *the* organizing institution and ideology of the post-Roman West for 1000 years.

    To say that these conservative “intellectuals” are not that is understatement to say the least. These beltway conservative intellectuals are effectively Trappist monks off in their monastery, while American society’s culture and politics run roughshod over every principal of traditional civilized life. Heck, gay marriage has been enshrined as a constitutional right, the acceptance of trannies in the women’s room is an important national issue, our campuses are full of the most useless minorities whining about “micro aggressions” like Halloween costumes, the lumpenprole blacks riot with impunity whenever one of their thugs gets shot by the police and denigrating the glory and tremendous achievements of “the West”\white men … is the one sacred organizing principle. These beltway conservative twits are so far from being analogous to the Roman Church … it’s some mix of painful and hilarious to contemplate. They are more like astrologers. Useless nobodies spouting absolute irrelevancies because they ceded defense of the actual people and culture of the West long ago.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @AnotherDad


    The Church wasn’t just some random “faith”–”keep the faith bro’”–hunkered down in the Hudson\AEI monasteries. The Church was *the* organizing institution and ideology of the post-Roman West for 1000 years.
     
    Because the Church had no competition. Because The Church provided theater, mental and spiritual transcendence. All humans want to believe in something much larger than their lives, that they can believe is an organizing principle in this starry cold universe you can see at night. Today, what is streaming out of all sizes of LED screens swamp whatever The Church and all religions have to say about who you are. Though I admit Islam/Allah/Muhammad is still able to maintain a tight hold on its believers.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    And I think you are missing HIS point. He says that the E. Coast conservatives are like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, before the church had the power to fully (or mostly) put down all the heresies, not like the powerful later Church.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  127. @bored identity
    The ongoing discordance between The National Interest and The Co-American Interest mirrors the antagonistic forces of this presidential elections.

    protip #1: The National Interest is run by Russians & Sessions .

    protip #2: The Co-American Interest is interested in Anne Applebaum & Bernard-Henri Lévy.

    protip#3: The Nixon Center hosted Trump's first foreign policy speech event.

    protip#4: Steve Sailer is a little green frogman from the future. Beware.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A03E4D7143CF930A25750C0A9639C8B63

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yak-15

    “William Kristol, editor of the neoconservative Weekly Standard and son of Irving Kristol, said he welcomed the planned journal. ”My father said many times, the more journals, the better,” he said. ”Soon there are going to be more neoconservative magazines than there are neoconservatives.””

    • Replies: @bored identity
    @Steve Sailer

    Father knows the best!

  128. @wren
    @Old Palo Altan

    As a fellow old Palo Altan, I beg to differ.

    New Palo Altans, like Zuckerberg, are building walls for themselves where none used to exist, and doing their damnest to promote Lennonism for the rest of us.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    I did say “in time”.

  129. Europe’s borders: still completely open to as many Africans who can make it into a boat.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3824362/11-000-migrants-saved-Med-just-two-days-Growing-numbers-children-pregnant-women-death-boats-calm-seas-encourage-fresh-influx.html

    We see here that the flood from Libya is pretty much all black Africans, and they are picked up just a few miles off the African coast and then transported hundreds of miles into Europe, then released.

  130. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Jack D

    People forget that Hungary already has a sizeable and rapidly growing ethnic minority - gypsies. And that group is so disfunctional they make inner city African-Americans look like model citizens.

    Replies: @Lot, @Jefferson

    “People forget that Hungary already has a sizeable and rapidly growing ethnic minority – gypsies. And that group is so disfunctional they make inner city African-Americans look like model citizens.”

    Hungary must have a higher per capita murder rate than The United States if Gypsies are more violent than Blacks.

  131. @Desiderius

    Here lies controversial Steve Sailer
     
    Lies indeed.

    It would be difficult to be less controversial than Steve.

    Those who consider him to be so say more about themselves than anything.

    Replies: @Jasper Been

    True indeed.

    I’m not aware that Steve has ever endorsed or championed Trump at all.

  132. @keuril
    @Jack D

    Apple's penalty for "losing," as you put it, is to enjoy the lion's share of PC industry profits.

    Replies: @Jack D

    If Apple makes “the lion’s share” of PC industry profits it’s only because the PC industry as a whole is not profitable anymore – 1/2 of nothing is still nothing. Mac is maybe 10 or 12% of Apple revenues and even less of profits. PC’s are a mature and declining market. Luckily for Apple, they are dominant in the phone space, which is where all the $ is now.

  133. @bored identity
    The ongoing discordance between The National Interest and The Co-American Interest mirrors the antagonistic forces of this presidential elections.

    protip #1: The National Interest is run by Russians & Sessions .

    protip #2: The Co-American Interest is interested in Anne Applebaum & Bernard-Henri Lévy.

    protip#3: The Nixon Center hosted Trump's first foreign policy speech event.

    protip#4: Steve Sailer is a little green frogman from the future. Beware.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A03E4D7143CF930A25750C0A9639C8B63

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yak-15

    The National Interest is a broad collection of neorealist thinkers including Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer.

    It’s not usually favorable to Russia or Israel. It’s not favorable to immigration or migrants. It’s typically against unnecessary intervention the world over unless it advances genuine US security interests and it is also against nation building. It also is against demographic change.

    It’s about as opposite from Foriegn Policy as it gets. American Interest, on the other hand, is a neocon, Fukuyama type screed. And it’s awful.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Yak-15


    including Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer.

    It’s not usually favorable to ..... Israel.
     
    This is an understatement. This is like saying that Streicher and Goebbels were not "usually favorable" to the Jews.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    , @bored identity
    @Yak-15

    Agreed, cum grano solis
    The operative word is INTEREST

    I guests it's comforting to know that something named The National Interest isn't usually favorable to Russia or Israel .
    That's a good starting point.

    Letting go zer experts, such as Kenneth M. Pollack to thrive and co-exist in some more friendlier environment would be the next step in the same direction. Trade him for Andrew Bacevich and call it a day .
    (Oh, never mind, it turns out that since 2013, Ken didn't squid-ink a single page of TNI.)

    Some people have a hard time conceding that the American scholars Walt & Mearsheimer are just menschy academics whose occupational integrity does not make them national hygienists of any kind.
    Because, dear Jack, sometimes co-authors are just co-authors.
    Even in America.


    ============================================================

    Now, the reason for quipping about The National Interest being run by Russians & Sessions:

    Native name:Дмитрий Константинович Симис of 155 Views Fame
    Born: October 1947,Moscow
    Alma mater:Moscow State University
    The year of immigration to the USA: 1973 (age 25)
    Occupation:Kremlinologist Par Excellence
    Current Employment: President of The Center for the National Interest (The Nixon Center)*
    Hobby: Publisher and CEO of the foreign policy journal The National Interest
    Previous Experience: Chairman of the Center for Russian and Eurasian Programs at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
    Moar Previous Experience: Director of a Soviet-focused program at Johns Hopkins University.
    Lecturing History: Columbia University and the University of California, Berkeley.
    TV Appearances:PBS NewsHour & Vladimir Solovyov's talk show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlY_VaD9lCs
    Scary Name of His Seminal Book:After the Collapse - Russia Seeks its Place as a Great Power (1999)

    *Senator Jeff Sessions is on the Advisory Council of The Center for the National Interest

  134. @Lot
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with US inner cities.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Jack D

    Gypsies are less murderous, but in any other respect (from petty crime through illegitimacy to low IQs) they are at least as disfunctional as blacks, and they are largely incapable of holding any kind of jobs. And most Hungarians have had a lot of interactions with Gypsies, so lots of personal experience with them for most people.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @reiner Tor


    they are at least as disfunctional as blacks
     
    Well how well would blacks do in Hungary, which has a nominal per capita GDP less than 25% of the USA? Would they be able to find jobs in a place where 100IQ whites are happy to work for $17,000 a year?

    Tough call I guess, Africans or predatory Indian thief-castes.

    Mutter Merkel would say all of the above!
  135. @candid_observer
    OT, but the abjectness of the "man" writing this article is hard to believe:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/well/family/the-fear-of-having-a-son.html

    What a father he must be to his poor son.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @SPMoore8, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Whoever

    Christ, what a buggered-up bedwetter. That child is going to be fucked up, or just an academic android like him.

  136. @Lot
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with US inner cities.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Jack D

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.

    This is like arguing which is worse, cholera or typhus, but, for example, there are many gypsies that make their living by sending out their small children to beg and pickpocket. Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded. The closest thing to gypsies in American culture (other than gypsies themselves) would be “carny” culture – they view all outsiders as “marks” whom it is not wrong to take advantage of in any way possible. Most American blacks are not really smart enough to run cons – their level of con man sophistication usually peaks out at the “I need a dollar for train fare” level, which is not very impressive (Buddy Fletcher being the exception). Gypsies will never make it to the Bernie Madoff league but they are good at putting lonely widows in touch with their departed husbands (while emptying their bank accounts) and that kind of thing.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Jack D


    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.
     
    Actually, I've been mugged by both blacks in America and gypsies in Europe! The gypsies attacked in a gang of about 7 or 8, the blacks were only three but had a gun.

    This is like arguing which is worse, cholera or typhus, but, for example, there are many gypsies that make their living by sending out their small children to beg and pickpocket. Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded.
     
    Put some blacks in Romania and see what they do. No need to beg in America, just fake a disability and get $650 a month for yourself and another $300 a month for each kid. The people who beg in America have such bad mental illnesses and substance abuse problems they can't deal with the paperwork to defraud SSI.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies."

    If Gypsies are worst than Blacks than why is there much more violent crime on a per capita basis in big American cities than in big Romanian cities?

    Replies: @Ed

    , @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded."

    I judge how bad a Nonwhite group is by how often they commit violent crimes against Whites.

    There have been way more Whites who were murdered by Blacks in The U.S than there have been Whites who were murdered by Gypsies in Europe.

    Also you don't see Gypsies in Europe rioting Charlotte/Baltimore/Milwaukee/
    Ferguson style.

    Anybody who says they would welcome masses of Sub Saharans into Europe if it means demographically replacing Gypsies forever from the continent has never been around a lot of Blacks.

  137. How could Trump possibly get any of the anti-ChamCom promises past Ryan and company or achieve reelection after the upcoming recession? There’s nobody to pick up the pieces in 2020 if Clinton wins, which forestalls him from pulling a Goldwater, and the way Trump’s national support is distributed means that Establishment Republicans can safely run out the clock without fearing realistic primary challenges. Overwhelmingly losing both houses this year is probably best for Ryan’s ambitions in either scenario.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Most likely the Republicans will maintain their majorities, perhaps reduced, then make big gains in 2018 (they're only defending 8 out of 33 Senate seats) in a typical mid-term backlash to President Clinton's overreach.

    Of course it won't matter much because the Republicans will have capitulated on the Supreme Court, doubling-down on amnesty and Obamacare, tax increases for "infrastructure" "stimulus," and heavens-knows what else. Then an anti-climactic Democratic win in 2020 with either Clinton re-election or perhaps Tim Kaine.

    In other words, the same pattern as the past several cycles. Big government will march on; the Republicans will probably still be able to compete at levels below the White House by moving further leftward, but we won't have any Trump-like hope to alter the trajectory ever again.

    Replies: @Jack D

  138. @AnotherDad

    What is clear is that, like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, East Coast leaders of conservative thought are watching as heresies ferment and proliferate on the margins of their domain. In early Christendom, these challenges lasted centuries, and some heresies were never fully extinguished, but Roman Christians ultimately repositioned their church as the primary steward and author of the faith in Europe. Whether the embattled intellectuals in conservatism’s Northeastern capital can marginalize their own fringe and enjoy a similar period of renewal remains to be seen. As of 2016, the hinterland heretics are still very much on the march.
     
    His wrapping analogy seems to me like a massive exercise in *missing the point*.

    The Church wasn't just some random "faith"--"keep the faith bro'"--hunkered down in the Hudson\AEI monasteries. The Church was *the* organizing institution and ideology of the post-Roman West for 1000 years.

    To say that these conservative "intellectuals" are not that is understatement to say the least. These beltway conservative intellectuals are effectively Trappist monks off in their monastery, while American society's culture and politics run roughshod over every principal of traditional civilized life. Heck, gay marriage has been enshrined as a constitutional right, the acceptance of trannies in the women's room is an important national issue, our campuses are full of the most useless minorities whining about "micro aggressions" like Halloween costumes, the lumpenprole blacks riot with impunity whenever one of their thugs gets shot by the police and denigrating the glory and tremendous achievements of "the West"\white men ... is the one sacred organizing principle. These beltway conservative twits are so far from being analogous to the Roman Church ... it's some mix of painful and hilarious to contemplate. They are more like astrologers. Useless nobodies spouting absolute irrelevancies because they ceded defense of the actual people and culture of the West long ago.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jack D

    The Church wasn’t just some random “faith”–”keep the faith bro’”–hunkered down in the Hudson\AEI monasteries. The Church was *the* organizing institution and ideology of the post-Roman West for 1000 years.

    Because the Church had no competition. Because The Church provided theater, mental and spiritual transcendence. All humans want to believe in something much larger than their lives, that they can believe is an organizing principle in this starry cold universe you can see at night. Today, what is streaming out of all sizes of LED screens swamp whatever The Church and all religions have to say about who you are. Though I admit Islam/Allah/Muhammad is still able to maintain a tight hold on its believers.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Clyde

    You can't blame the LED screen. Martin Luther wrote his 95 Edicts on paper almost 500 years before the first electrons danced before our eyes and the Church has never been the same since.

  139. @Clyde
    @D. K.

    Proof that you can totally eff up a prosperous democratic nation in fifty years. Main culprit being the left's long march through the institutions. I believe Pat Buchanan came up with this phrase.

    Replies: @D. K.

  140. @bill brasky
    OT but clearly of interest to you:

    http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/chuck-lorre-bonfire-of-the-vanities-amazon-1201889157/

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D

    The movie did not do justice to the book but maybe no 2 hour movie could have. But surely they could have come a lot closer . If the script of the Maltese Falcon was written by crossing out lines in the book, the movie took the opposite approach – take as little dialog as possible from Wolfe. A longer form is more promising but I’m not sure if master of situation comedy Lorre (or Chaim Levine as Charlie Sheen calls him) is the man for the job. One of the major problems with the movie is that it was played too much for easy laughs. Wolfe is funny but his work is much deeper than just funny.

    The book is non-PC by 2016 standards. Perhaps now that a few decades have passed, it could be sold as being set “in the bad old days” , like Mad Man was – look at those old time racists, can’t we pat ourselves on the back for being more enlightened today? And if so, they wouldn’t have to clean up Wolfe’s dialog and plot to make it meet current year PC standards. Let’s hope so.

  141. @Clyde
    @AnotherDad


    The Church wasn’t just some random “faith”–”keep the faith bro’”–hunkered down in the Hudson\AEI monasteries. The Church was *the* organizing institution and ideology of the post-Roman West for 1000 years.
     
    Because the Church had no competition. Because The Church provided theater, mental and spiritual transcendence. All humans want to believe in something much larger than their lives, that they can believe is an organizing principle in this starry cold universe you can see at night. Today, what is streaming out of all sizes of LED screens swamp whatever The Church and all religions have to say about who you are. Though I admit Islam/Allah/Muhammad is still able to maintain a tight hold on its believers.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You can’t blame the LED screen. Martin Luther wrote his 95 Edicts on paper almost 500 years before the first electrons danced before our eyes and the Church has never been the same since.

  142. @Yak-15
    @bored identity

    The National Interest is a broad collection of neorealist thinkers including Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer.

    It's not usually favorable to Russia or Israel. It's not favorable to immigration or migrants. It's typically against unnecessary intervention the world over unless it advances genuine US security interests and it is also against nation building. It also is against demographic change.

    It's about as opposite from Foriegn Policy as it gets. American Interest, on the other hand, is a neocon, Fukuyama type screed. And it's awful.

    Replies: @Jack D, @bored identity

    including Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer.

    It’s not usually favorable to ….. Israel.

    This is an understatement. This is like saying that Streicher and Goebbels were not “usually favorable” to the Jews.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Jack D

    Their points on Israel are pretty difficult to counter. Mearsheimer has no animosity towards Israel, he just doesn't see how it serves our interests to pay half their defense budget each year. I don't think it's fair to call them anti-Semite. But such is the climate on anything Israel.

    "Perhaps the Israelis did not need to use 15,000 rounds of tube artillery on urban Gaza a few years back."

    "BIGOT!"

    Replies: @Jack D

  143. @Bacon Eater
    @Jack D


    Moldbug is prescribing an even older remedy (monarchism) which is well proven not to work
     
    Proven how, pray tell?

    Because I have certainly heard progressives denouncing monarchism as they denounce everything from before 1965 or so, but I have yet to hear actual proof.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Proven in the Darwinian sense. If monarchism was a fit system it would not have disappeared (except for vestigial forms) in every Western country. You could argue that WWI sent monarchism to an early grave, but monarchism (even the fact that the Kaiser and the Czar and George V were cousins and looked like each other) was not able to prevent or stop the war.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Jack D

    And how about democracy, which was not able to prevent the Civil War, or World War II, or all of the rotten wars since?

    If the monarchies of Europe had been more fully in charge of their peoples in 1914 (as they had been up to, say, the French revolution, then they would not have allowed a war. It was not the monarchs who unleashed their armies in 1914, but rather their politicians and generals. And, had they been fully in charge, they would certainly have ended the war once they had understood, say by 1917, that a continuation to the bitter end would be the end of their dynasties and of traditional Europe. Emperor Charles of Austria tried; it was the politicians like Clemenceau and Wilson who foiled his efforts, not his fellow monarchs.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  144. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.

    Only one ethnic possibility, though. 2% of the population, 100% of the “options.” Almost like there’s a pattern.

    California, Hungary, even Israel if you count them, all are leading indicators of what white opinion is going to be like with more immigration.

    Not if the Jews have anything to say about it.

    But persistently using the name “Barack Hussein Obama” (as you have done so many times, especially during the 2008 election cycle) is cool? From what I’ve seen, Obama never uses his middle name, and I only became aware of it by reading (usually critical) articles about him. Also, little Barry didn’t have any say in choosing his name, did he?

    I only call him Hussein, precisely because it makes leftist cretins wriggle. That’s also why the n-word will never leave my vocabulary. Real protest is lost on leftists, though. It’s all PC theater from from them anymore.

    People change their names all the time, almost always because they didn’t like the old ones much.

    a transformation…which many Trump supporters clearly resent and fear.

    But the left doesn’t hate these tens of millions of Americans. And certainly hasn’t laid the groundwork for violence against us with decades of propaganda, either. No sir.

    Israel is majority non-Ashkenazi. They seem to be more conservative despite being surrounded by cultural, racial, and genetic kin.

    American Jews, by contrast, are majority Ashkenazi and are among the most liberal groups in the US, despite primarily living in a handful of cities that are the most diverse areas in the US and being surrounded by others.

    In this context, conservative vs. liberal is an illusion. The conservatives you refer to become liberals somewhere on the flight over the Atlantic, and the liberals you refer to become conservatives, going the other way. 2+2=Jewish Supremacy, with conservative and liberal as poses.

    The “Israel” in WN’s head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews – you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn’t tell the whole story.

    So, more like Saudi Arabia; lots of “diversity” in the form of serfs, who keep their bags packed, and their passports secreted.

    P.S., I love Love LOVE the “Jews are diverse” thing. Jews: “Whites (you know: English, Irish, Scots, Welsh, Danes, French, Spaniards, Portugese, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Swiss, Germans, Austrians, Italians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Russians, etc.) are so white bread. They need Diversity, good and hard; but ISRAEL is diverse, baby!” I know you’re not that type, but I still find it funny.

    Reality check: if Israel is “very diverse,” then how diverse is the United States? Galactically diverse? Mega-diverse? Ultra-diverse?” There’s no practical way to put Israel and the US on the same scale of diversity, and honestly refer to Israel as “very diverse.”

    And again, there’s “diversity,” (serf diversity, as in Israel and Saudi Arabia), and there’s “Diversity” (citizen diversity, as in US, UK, and South Africa). A universe separates them.

    I gotta hand it to them: the Israelis take a hard line, God bless ‘em. They should be an example to all of us.

    True. But, strangely, Saudi Arabia gets no credit at all for doing the same thing.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    Timothy Geithner isn't Jewish, as far as I know. He seems like an old line upscale Protestant Ford Foundation type, like Obama's mom.

    Replies: @Jack D, @benjaminl

    , @Jack D
    @Svigor

    I would say that Israel and the US are more or less comparably diverse or maybe even Israel more so. In both cases you have the aboriginal population (itself arrived from elsewhere at some earlier date) - the Arabs and the Indians (Israel has a LOT more Arabs by percentage - didn't do as thorough a job of exterminating the natives). And the "founding stock" of colonists* (in Israel's case Ashkenazi Jews - except instead of being from just 1 European country like the American colonists they are from all over Europe) and then a huge number of later immigrants (some also from Europe, but many from all over the Arab world, ranging from Morocco all the way to India) and then you have a large group of blacks (Ethiopians) who nominally have the same religion as the founding stock. And then various illegal and semi-legal Asians, E. European Christians pretending to be Jewish, etc. The only thing they are missing is a lot of Latinos. Unless you have been there (and I suspect you haven't) you have no idea what a crazy mish-mosh of cultures it is. Similar in that sense to the modern US and MUCH more diverse than the pre-1964 US.

    *colonists with an ancient claim, in the case of Israel.

  145. @phil
    @Jack D

    La Griffe is an elderly professor who has spent most of his career at a highly-ranked university. He used to be married to another brilliant academic who is known to dedicated iSteve followers.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I am well aware of the theories that La Griffe is RG (again I feel it is silly using these Victorian evasions in a digital age where there are few secrets that cannot be “googled”, but I will play along) but I would consider it less than proven. Certainly RG has not come out and admitted that he is La Griffe (unlike Moldbug who makes no attempt to hide his real identity) and probably for amply good reason given conditions today (he must have no desire to be “Watsoned”) so I would respect that.

  146. @Svigor

    For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.
     
    Only one ethnic possibility, though. 2% of the population, 100% of the "options." Almost like there's a pattern.

    California, Hungary, even Israel if you count them, all are leading indicators of what white opinion is going to be like with more immigration.
     
    Not if the Jews have anything to say about it.

    But persistently using the name “Barack Hussein Obama” (as you have done so many times, especially during the 2008 election cycle) is cool? From what I’ve seen, Obama never uses his middle name, and I only became aware of it by reading (usually critical) articles about him. Also, little Barry didn’t have any say in choosing his name, did he?
     
    I only call him Hussein, precisely because it makes leftist cretins wriggle. That's also why the n-word will never leave my vocabulary. Real protest is lost on leftists, though. It's all PC theater from from them anymore.

    People change their names all the time, almost always because they didn't like the old ones much.

    a transformation...which many Trump supporters clearly resent and fear.
     
    But the left doesn't hate these tens of millions of Americans. And certainly hasn't laid the groundwork for violence against us with decades of propaganda, either. No sir.

    Israel is majority non-Ashkenazi. They seem to be more conservative despite being surrounded by cultural, racial, and genetic kin.

    American Jews, by contrast, are majority Ashkenazi and are among the most liberal groups in the US, despite primarily living in a handful of cities that are the most diverse areas in the US and being surrounded by others.
     
    In this context, conservative vs. liberal is an illusion. The conservatives you refer to become liberals somewhere on the flight over the Atlantic, and the liberals you refer to become conservatives, going the other way. 2+2=Jewish Supremacy, with conservative and liberal as poses.

    The “Israel” in WN’s head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews – you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn’t tell the whole story.
     
    So, more like Saudi Arabia; lots of "diversity" in the form of serfs, who keep their bags packed, and their passports secreted.

    P.S., I love Love LOVE the "Jews are diverse" thing. Jews: "Whites (you know: English, Irish, Scots, Welsh, Danes, French, Spaniards, Portugese, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Swiss, Germans, Austrians, Italians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Russians, etc.) are so white bread. They need Diversity, good and hard; but ISRAEL is diverse, baby!" I know you're not that type, but I still find it funny.

    Reality check: if Israel is "very diverse," then how diverse is the United States? Galactically diverse? Mega-diverse? Ultra-diverse?" There's no practical way to put Israel and the US on the same scale of diversity, and honestly refer to Israel as "very diverse."

    And again, there's "diversity," (serf diversity, as in Israel and Saudi Arabia), and there's "Diversity" (citizen diversity, as in US, UK, and South Africa). A universe separates them.

    I gotta hand it to them: the Israelis take a hard line, God bless ‘em. They should be an example to all of us.
     
    True. But, strangely, Saudi Arabia gets no credit at all for doing the same thing.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    Timothy Geithner isn’t Jewish, as far as I know. He seems like an old line upscale Protestant Ford Foundation type, like Obama’s mom.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Geithner, as you might guess from his name, is German (fairly recent as in grandfather) immigrant on his father's side, but his mother's side (Moore) is indeed Mayflower WASPy. He is about as Jewish as Donald Trump (i.e. not at all).

    , @benjaminl
    @Steve Sailer

    I seem to remember -- though I can't recall whether it was from a Jewish acquaintance, someone in the media, or maybe right here at iSteve -- that his middle name, Franz, was a giveaway.

    He did, however, marry a Jewish lady named Sonnenfeld. But back on the first hand, they were married by a UCC minister -- nice Protestant, just as Steve suggested!

    http://tzvee.blogspot.com/2008/11/is-either-timothy-geithner-lawrence.html

    Her father was a comp lit professor, so presumably they are conversant with the Culture of Critique: "Flaubert, Mallarme, Proust, Joyce, Mann, Malraux, Camus, and Valery...psychoanalytic approaches to creative, cultural history and culinary traditions"

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/comp-lit/biographies/fc_bio_sonnenfeld.html

  147. @Big Bill
    @wren

    Well, Obama got a few of his buddies in pretty good positions.

    Cassandra Quin Butts (better know to her friends as Sandy Butts) was a close friend and drinking buddy at HLS. She lead Obama's transition team and almost got an ambassadorship.

    (((Julius Genachowski))) was an HLR pal. He was groomed as a USSC clerk at HLS. Obama gave him the Chairmanship of the FCC. He moved on after a year to make the big bucks.

    I am sure there were several more.

    Replies: @wren

    I wonder how many of them were on the “Citibank approved” list?

    I saw the cabinet list, but I didn’t see his other lists of citi certified women and minorities.

  148. @Jean Cocteausten
    @Busby

    Yes, it was less a matter of Silicon Valley being right than of IBM and DEC being wrong. There were PC makers all over the country early on. The case that proves it is the TRS-80. People forget, but the TRS-80 was developed independently, almost simultaneously with the Apple II, and handily outsold the Apple II for their first five years, through 1982. In a foreshadowing of future Apple marketing practices, the Apple II was really expensive, over $5000 in today's dollars for the base model.

    TRS-80 was financed and backed out of Tandy's headquarters in Texas. But it was designed by a consultant working in Silicon Valley, Steve Leininger, who had been at National Semiconductor and was a member of the Homebrew Computer Club just like Woz.

    There was a whole host of PC makers scattered across the country, Commodore and TI, as well as forgotten names like Ohio Scientific. But in the Northeast I guess it was too easy for electronics guys to just stay at their jobs at IBM or DEC.

    Replies: @Ivy

    IBM and GM both provide examples of innovation through satellites protected from the corporate gravitational pull. The PC was purposely developed by a new unit in Florida, far from the Armonk big gray cloud. At least that IBM board saw the need for a new approach. GM developed Saturn outside the Detroit area and that gave it a little more of a chance. In the end, both parent companies exited the businesses, for various reasons.

    An interesting book including some hi tech corporate dynamics in the northeast is The Soul of a New Machine, about how Data General (remember them? Ancient history) developed a new computer.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Ivy

    The IBM-PC shows how big organizations are put between a rock and a hard place.

    Had they set out to develop the PC lock stock and barrel in house at Armonk, they could have done it at the time - they had as much if not more hardware and software talent and capability as anyone. BUT, given the level of bureaucracy and the cost structure it would have taken them years and years to bring a product to market (by which time whatever they brought out would have been completely obsolete) and the price point would have assured that they would have only sold (or leased) a few thousand to other big corporations.

    So instead they shipped it off to a new unit and that unit was authorized to take shortcuts. Instead of running on IBM chips, the new PC would run on off the shelf microprocessors from Intel. Instead of their writing an operating system and Basic language from scratch, they contracted with a kid named Bill Gates to deliver these to them. Now, with a little more foresight (and better lawyers) they could have tied down the intellectual property much better (or even bought out Intel and especially Gates) . But in the rush to bring out a product, they neglected this little detail and that cost them billions in the future.

    Replies: @Ivy

  149. @AnotherDad

    What is clear is that, like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, East Coast leaders of conservative thought are watching as heresies ferment and proliferate on the margins of their domain. In early Christendom, these challenges lasted centuries, and some heresies were never fully extinguished, but Roman Christians ultimately repositioned their church as the primary steward and author of the faith in Europe. Whether the embattled intellectuals in conservatism’s Northeastern capital can marginalize their own fringe and enjoy a similar period of renewal remains to be seen. As of 2016, the hinterland heretics are still very much on the march.
     
    His wrapping analogy seems to me like a massive exercise in *missing the point*.

    The Church wasn't just some random "faith"--"keep the faith bro'"--hunkered down in the Hudson\AEI monasteries. The Church was *the* organizing institution and ideology of the post-Roman West for 1000 years.

    To say that these conservative "intellectuals" are not that is understatement to say the least. These beltway conservative intellectuals are effectively Trappist monks off in their monastery, while American society's culture and politics run roughshod over every principal of traditional civilized life. Heck, gay marriage has been enshrined as a constitutional right, the acceptance of trannies in the women's room is an important national issue, our campuses are full of the most useless minorities whining about "micro aggressions" like Halloween costumes, the lumpenprole blacks riot with impunity whenever one of their thugs gets shot by the police and denigrating the glory and tremendous achievements of "the West"\white men ... is the one sacred organizing principle. These beltway conservative twits are so far from being analogous to the Roman Church ... it's some mix of painful and hilarious to contemplate. They are more like astrologers. Useless nobodies spouting absolute irrelevancies because they ceded defense of the actual people and culture of the West long ago.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jack D

    And I think you are missing HIS point. He says that the E. Coast conservatives are like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, before the church had the power to fully (or mostly) put down all the heresies, not like the powerful later Church.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    And I think you are missing HIS point. He says that the E. Coast conservatives are like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, before the church had the power to fully (or mostly) put down all the heresies, not like the powerful later Church.
     
    I read the "early"--perhaps i didn't state my point very well. Let me try again: trend lines.

    The early church was gathering followers and growing--it was active and dynamic, on-the-move, demographics on its side, "the future". Beltway conservatism in contrast is a declining, demographically doomed irrelevancy--other than their role in blocking the development of actual nationalist conservatism--with every trend line in culture and society ebbing away from them. The idea that if it kills off some heretics it can have the the punch to become the dominant ideology of our nation, much less a civilization is a laugher.

    Maybe i didn't say it very well, but his analogy to the Roman Church is just ridiculous. I don't have the Marxian historical goggles to see what the future holds, but the one thing i'm 100% confident of it that it will not be won by anything like speak-no-evil beltway conservatism. That is just demographically impossible.

  150. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    How could Trump possibly get any of the anti-ChamCom promises past Ryan and company or achieve reelection after the upcoming recession? There's nobody to pick up the pieces in 2020 if Clinton wins, which forestalls him from pulling a Goldwater, and the way Trump's national support is distributed means that Establishment Republicans can safely run out the clock without fearing realistic primary challenges. Overwhelmingly losing both houses this year is probably best for Ryan's ambitions in either scenario.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    Most likely the Republicans will maintain their majorities, perhaps reduced, then make big gains in 2018 (they’re only defending 8 out of 33 Senate seats) in a typical mid-term backlash to President Clinton’s overreach.

    Of course it won’t matter much because the Republicans will have capitulated on the Supreme Court, doubling-down on amnesty and Obamacare, tax increases for “infrastructure” “stimulus,” and heavens-knows what else. Then an anti-climactic Democratic win in 2020 with either Clinton re-election or perhaps Tim Kaine.

    In other words, the same pattern as the past several cycles. Big government will march on; the Republicans will probably still be able to compete at levels below the White House by moving further leftward, but we won’t have any Trump-like hope to alter the trajectory ever again.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @EdwardM

    It's very hard to foresee the future - 4 years before the Soviet Union collapsed, no one thought it was on the brink of collapse. 4 years ago, Trump as the GOP candidate would have been though of as a joke. But, barring any unforeseen developments (and chances are there WILL be unforeseen developments) you have (unfortunately) laid out a very plausible scenario. But history does not always proceed in a straight line - it may not go down this way at all.

  151. @stillCARealist
    @Spotted Toad

    As I've stated before, the white Republican exodus from CA over the last 15 years has been pretty substantial. I don't see it ending. We just watched a large family, grandparents, kids, grandkids, all move to CO. Our renters just moved to ID. Another buddy just announced he's looking for a home in Tennessee. These are all right wing R's and they find housing and employment much better elsewhere.

    Replies: @Lot

    The people you mention are mostly offset by an inflow of new whites from elsewhere in the USA who are mostly not Republicans.

    California’s white population has been pretty stable for a long time, the rapid growth in the non-white population is due to immigration and high Mexican American birthrate.

    I almost said “high Hispanic birthrate” but I’ve noticed that California has a small high-achieving Cuban-American population. According to the Census, Cuban Americans have nearly the lowest birthrate in the USA, like 1.4. There are a lot of affirmative action opportunities here for Cubans to take advantage of due to the large Mexican population.

  152. @Ivy
    @Jean Cocteausten

    IBM and GM both provide examples of innovation through satellites protected from the corporate gravitational pull. The PC was purposely developed by a new unit in Florida, far from the Armonk big gray cloud. At least that IBM board saw the need for a new approach. GM developed Saturn outside the Detroit area and that gave it a little more of a chance. In the end, both parent companies exited the businesses, for various reasons.

    An interesting book including some hi tech corporate dynamics in the northeast is The Soul of a New Machine, about how Data General (remember them? Ancient history) developed a new computer.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The IBM-PC shows how big organizations are put between a rock and a hard place.

    Had they set out to develop the PC lock stock and barrel in house at Armonk, they could have done it at the time – they had as much if not more hardware and software talent and capability as anyone. BUT, given the level of bureaucracy and the cost structure it would have taken them years and years to bring a product to market (by which time whatever they brought out would have been completely obsolete) and the price point would have assured that they would have only sold (or leased) a few thousand to other big corporations.

    So instead they shipped it off to a new unit and that unit was authorized to take shortcuts. Instead of running on IBM chips, the new PC would run on off the shelf microprocessors from Intel. Instead of their writing an operating system and Basic language from scratch, they contracted with a kid named Bill Gates to deliver these to them. Now, with a little more foresight (and better lawyers) they could have tied down the intellectual property much better (or even bought out Intel and especially Gates) . But in the rush to bring out a product, they neglected this little detail and that cost them billions in the future.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Jack D

    Bill Gates should thank his Mom daily for her shared board contact with IBM as that made his life work. Now, if only she had said young Billy, don't limit yourself to a 640K workspace, that would've saved users a lot of aggravation and wasted time.

    Replies: @Clyde

  153. @Buzz Mohawk

    ...the Unz Review, a Trump-friendly, highbrow online journal with a devoted following.
     
    This may be the first time I have been called "highbrow."

    How flattering.

    Once again, the internet provides me with ego gratification.

    Replies: @BB753, @Olorin

    I don’t get the “Trump-friendly” part. It’s not as if Ron Unz has endorsed Trump or stopped publishing anti-Trump articles or comments. And during the primaries, Ron Unz actually supported Bernie Sanders.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @BB753

    Yeah, but he hasn't called Trump "literally Hitler" so that makes him literally Hitler too.

  154. @reiner Tor
    @Lot

    Gypsies are less murderous, but in any other respect (from petty crime through illegitimacy to low IQs) they are at least as disfunctional as blacks, and they are largely incapable of holding any kind of jobs. And most Hungarians have had a lot of interactions with Gypsies, so lots of personal experience with them for most people.

    Replies: @Lot

    they are at least as disfunctional as blacks

    Well how well would blacks do in Hungary, which has a nominal per capita GDP less than 25% of the USA? Would they be able to find jobs in a place where 100IQ whites are happy to work for $17,000 a year?

    Tough call I guess, Africans or predatory Indian thief-castes.

    Mutter Merkel would say all of the above!

  155. @BB753
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I don't get the "Trump-friendly" part. It's not as if Ron Unz has endorsed Trump or stopped publishing anti-Trump articles or comments. And during the primaries, Ron Unz actually supported Bernie Sanders.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, but he hasn’t called Trump “literally Hitler” so that makes him literally Hitler too.

  156. @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    This man is a pretty good example of toxic unmasculinity.

    Replies: @Ivy

    When told to sack up, he’d ask paper or plastic. Ba-dum-bum. I’m here all week. Tip your waitress.

  157. @Svigor

    For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.
     
    Only one ethnic possibility, though. 2% of the population, 100% of the "options." Almost like there's a pattern.

    California, Hungary, even Israel if you count them, all are leading indicators of what white opinion is going to be like with more immigration.
     
    Not if the Jews have anything to say about it.

    But persistently using the name “Barack Hussein Obama” (as you have done so many times, especially during the 2008 election cycle) is cool? From what I’ve seen, Obama never uses his middle name, and I only became aware of it by reading (usually critical) articles about him. Also, little Barry didn’t have any say in choosing his name, did he?
     
    I only call him Hussein, precisely because it makes leftist cretins wriggle. That's also why the n-word will never leave my vocabulary. Real protest is lost on leftists, though. It's all PC theater from from them anymore.

    People change their names all the time, almost always because they didn't like the old ones much.

    a transformation...which many Trump supporters clearly resent and fear.
     
    But the left doesn't hate these tens of millions of Americans. And certainly hasn't laid the groundwork for violence against us with decades of propaganda, either. No sir.

    Israel is majority non-Ashkenazi. They seem to be more conservative despite being surrounded by cultural, racial, and genetic kin.

    American Jews, by contrast, are majority Ashkenazi and are among the most liberal groups in the US, despite primarily living in a handful of cities that are the most diverse areas in the US and being surrounded by others.
     
    In this context, conservative vs. liberal is an illusion. The conservatives you refer to become liberals somewhere on the flight over the Atlantic, and the liberals you refer to become conservatives, going the other way. 2+2=Jewish Supremacy, with conservative and liberal as poses.

    The “Israel” in WN’s head is nothing like the real Israel, which is a very diverse society (and not only diverse type of Jews – you have Filipina caretakers, Chinese and Thai farmworkers, etc,). Yes they have good border fences (more to keep out terrorists than immigrants), but that doesn’t tell the whole story.
     
    So, more like Saudi Arabia; lots of "diversity" in the form of serfs, who keep their bags packed, and their passports secreted.

    P.S., I love Love LOVE the "Jews are diverse" thing. Jews: "Whites (you know: English, Irish, Scots, Welsh, Danes, French, Spaniards, Portugese, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Swiss, Germans, Austrians, Italians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Russians, etc.) are so white bread. They need Diversity, good and hard; but ISRAEL is diverse, baby!" I know you're not that type, but I still find it funny.

    Reality check: if Israel is "very diverse," then how diverse is the United States? Galactically diverse? Mega-diverse? Ultra-diverse?" There's no practical way to put Israel and the US on the same scale of diversity, and honestly refer to Israel as "very diverse."

    And again, there's "diversity," (serf diversity, as in Israel and Saudi Arabia), and there's "Diversity" (citizen diversity, as in US, UK, and South Africa). A universe separates them.

    I gotta hand it to them: the Israelis take a hard line, God bless ‘em. They should be an example to all of us.
     
    True. But, strangely, Saudi Arabia gets no credit at all for doing the same thing.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    I would say that Israel and the US are more or less comparably diverse or maybe even Israel more so. In both cases you have the aboriginal population (itself arrived from elsewhere at some earlier date) – the Arabs and the Indians (Israel has a LOT more Arabs by percentage – didn’t do as thorough a job of exterminating the natives). And the “founding stock” of colonists* (in Israel’s case Ashkenazi Jews – except instead of being from just 1 European country like the American colonists they are from all over Europe) and then a huge number of later immigrants (some also from Europe, but many from all over the Arab world, ranging from Morocco all the way to India) and then you have a large group of blacks (Ethiopians) who nominally have the same religion as the founding stock. And then various illegal and semi-legal Asians, E. European Christians pretending to be Jewish, etc. The only thing they are missing is a lot of Latinos. Unless you have been there (and I suspect you haven’t) you have no idea what a crazy mish-mosh of cultures it is. Similar in that sense to the modern US and MUCH more diverse than the pre-1964 US.

    *colonists with an ancient claim, in the case of Israel.

  158. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    Timothy Geithner isn't Jewish, as far as I know. He seems like an old line upscale Protestant Ford Foundation type, like Obama's mom.

    Replies: @Jack D, @benjaminl

    Geithner, as you might guess from his name, is German (fairly recent as in grandfather) immigrant on his father’s side, but his mother’s side (Moore) is indeed Mayflower WASPy. He is about as Jewish as Donald Trump (i.e. not at all).

  159. @EdwardM
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Most likely the Republicans will maintain their majorities, perhaps reduced, then make big gains in 2018 (they're only defending 8 out of 33 Senate seats) in a typical mid-term backlash to President Clinton's overreach.

    Of course it won't matter much because the Republicans will have capitulated on the Supreme Court, doubling-down on amnesty and Obamacare, tax increases for "infrastructure" "stimulus," and heavens-knows what else. Then an anti-climactic Democratic win in 2020 with either Clinton re-election or perhaps Tim Kaine.

    In other words, the same pattern as the past several cycles. Big government will march on; the Republicans will probably still be able to compete at levels below the White House by moving further leftward, but we won't have any Trump-like hope to alter the trajectory ever again.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s very hard to foresee the future – 4 years before the Soviet Union collapsed, no one thought it was on the brink of collapse. 4 years ago, Trump as the GOP candidate would have been though of as a joke. But, barring any unforeseen developments (and chances are there WILL be unforeseen developments) you have (unfortunately) laid out a very plausible scenario. But history does not always proceed in a straight line – it may not go down this way at all.

  160. @Jack D
    @Ivy

    The IBM-PC shows how big organizations are put between a rock and a hard place.

    Had they set out to develop the PC lock stock and barrel in house at Armonk, they could have done it at the time - they had as much if not more hardware and software talent and capability as anyone. BUT, given the level of bureaucracy and the cost structure it would have taken them years and years to bring a product to market (by which time whatever they brought out would have been completely obsolete) and the price point would have assured that they would have only sold (or leased) a few thousand to other big corporations.

    So instead they shipped it off to a new unit and that unit was authorized to take shortcuts. Instead of running on IBM chips, the new PC would run on off the shelf microprocessors from Intel. Instead of their writing an operating system and Basic language from scratch, they contracted with a kid named Bill Gates to deliver these to them. Now, with a little more foresight (and better lawyers) they could have tied down the intellectual property much better (or even bought out Intel and especially Gates) . But in the rush to bring out a product, they neglected this little detail and that cost them billions in the future.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Bill Gates should thank his Mom daily for her shared board contact with IBM as that made his life work. Now, if only she had said young Billy, don’t limit yourself to a 640K workspace, that would’ve saved users a lot of aggravation and wasted time.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Ivy

    https://www.wired.com/1997/01/did-gates-really-say-640k-is-enough-for-anyone/ Bill Gates never said anything about 640K memory

  161. He has rabid followers who tout his ideas about the necessity of a hierarchal aristocracy leading the masses through brute force if required.

    “I suppose there is only so much to be said, especially when the world does not seem to be prepared to listen.”

    Why on earth would any white male be inclined to give up their fundamental freedoms for THIS…

    Most of Moldbug’s fans are computer nerds — excuse me, software developers and engineers.

    They love computer games, novels, movies and TV series that are sci-fi/fantasy mash-ups. Such fans imagine themselves to be Luke Skywalkers, hereditary heirs to mystic martial arts powers and loyal to a regal father figure…. a father unlike their real Dad.

  162. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    And I think you are missing HIS point. He says that the E. Coast conservatives are like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, before the church had the power to fully (or mostly) put down all the heresies, not like the powerful later Church.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    And I think you are missing HIS point. He says that the E. Coast conservatives are like the bishops of the early Church of Rome, before the church had the power to fully (or mostly) put down all the heresies, not like the powerful later Church.

    I read the “early”–perhaps i didn’t state my point very well. Let me try again: trend lines.

    The early church was gathering followers and growing–it was active and dynamic, on-the-move, demographics on its side, “the future”. Beltway conservatism in contrast is a declining, demographically doomed irrelevancy–other than their role in blocking the development of actual nationalist conservatism–with every trend line in culture and society ebbing away from them. The idea that if it kills off some heretics it can have the the punch to become the dominant ideology of our nation, much less a civilization is a laugher.

    Maybe i didn’t say it very well, but his analogy to the Roman Church is just ridiculous. I don’t have the Marxian historical goggles to see what the future holds, but the one thing i’m 100% confident of it that it will not be won by anything like speak-no-evil beltway conservatism. That is just demographically impossible.

  163. @Jack D
    @Yak-15


    including Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer.

    It’s not usually favorable to ..... Israel.
     
    This is an understatement. This is like saying that Streicher and Goebbels were not "usually favorable" to the Jews.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    Their points on Israel are pretty difficult to counter. Mearsheimer has no animosity towards Israel, he just doesn’t see how it serves our interests to pay half their defense budget each year. I don’t think it’s fair to call them anti-Semite. But such is the climate on anything Israel.

    “Perhaps the Israelis did not need to use 15,000 rounds of tube artillery on urban Gaza a few years back.”

    “BIGOT!”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Yak-15

    Perhaps Hamas didn't need to dig tunnels under Israeli territory and send terrorists thru them? Perhaps Hamas didn't need to place their rockets in civilian neighborhoods or aim them at civilian targets in Israel?
    Perhaps the US didn't need to firebomb Dresden or Tokyo?

    Sow the wind, inherit the whirlwind.

    Replies: @Yak-15

  164. @Buzz Mohawk

    ...the Unz Review, a Trump-friendly, highbrow online journal with a devoted following.
     
    This may be the first time I have been called "highbrow."

    How flattering.

    Once again, the internet provides me with ego gratification.

    Replies: @BB753, @Olorin

    And here I thought this was the watering hole for ragtag political misfits with a taste for esoteric single malt Scotches, Matt Strassler’s cogitations on non-woo particle physics, firearms, woodworking, and 1960s-1970s Volkswagen repair.

    Highbrow, huh?

    How fast the era is passing. Everyone’s pulling up a stool and remembering the Good Old Days…when I figured they were still ahead of us.

  165. @Bill
    @Desiderius

    VDH mostly seems to be pissed off about the litter on his farm. I'm pretty skeptical that his deviationism would exist without that.

    Replies: @Busby

    It’s somewhat of an homage. In one piece he wrote about a Roman author who described the collapse of civilization from the vantage point of his rural homestead. Over the years how the writ of the state progressively disappeared and those who remained had to fortify their homes with defensive walls. A trip to the city became risky because of bandits.
    Unsurprisingly, he’s pissed that people dump trash on his property. He’s replaced electrical wiring on his well pumps because people steal the copper. In nearly every instance, he reports to the local cops who take reports and then tell him they can’t do anything to protect him.

  166. @Yak-15
    @Jack D

    Their points on Israel are pretty difficult to counter. Mearsheimer has no animosity towards Israel, he just doesn't see how it serves our interests to pay half their defense budget each year. I don't think it's fair to call them anti-Semite. But such is the climate on anything Israel.

    "Perhaps the Israelis did not need to use 15,000 rounds of tube artillery on urban Gaza a few years back."

    "BIGOT!"

    Replies: @Jack D

    Perhaps Hamas didn’t need to dig tunnels under Israeli territory and send terrorists thru them? Perhaps Hamas didn’t need to place their rockets in civilian neighborhoods or aim them at civilian targets in Israel?
    Perhaps the US didn’t need to firebomb Dresden or Tokyo?

    Sow the wind, inherit the whirlwind.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Jack D

    The utility of mass artillery bombardment on tunnel systems has proven fruitful since the advent of gunpowder...

    One would suppose that there are more efficient means of taking out underground facilities in the Israeli arsenal: SBD bombs and other precision aerial penetrating weapons. The US has supplied them with ample amounts of both. Still, they chose to use cannon shells with CEPs with hundreds of meters that have no penetration utility instead. Curious choice.

    Personally I do not usually care how the Israelis deal with their problems. But even this seems a bit extreme.

  167. @Jack D
    @Lot

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.

    This is like arguing which is worse, cholera or typhus, but, for example, there are many gypsies that make their living by sending out their small children to beg and pickpocket. Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded. The closest thing to gypsies in American culture (other than gypsies themselves) would be "carny" culture - they view all outsiders as "marks" whom it is not wrong to take advantage of in any way possible. Most American blacks are not really smart enough to run cons - their level of con man sophistication usually peaks out at the "I need a dollar for train fare" level, which is not very impressive (Buddy Fletcher being the exception). Gypsies will never make it to the Bernie Madoff league but they are good at putting lonely widows in touch with their departed husbands (while emptying their bank accounts) and that kind of thing.

    Replies: @Lot, @Jefferson, @Jefferson

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.

    Actually, I’ve been mugged by both blacks in America and gypsies in Europe! The gypsies attacked in a gang of about 7 or 8, the blacks were only three but had a gun.

    This is like arguing which is worse, cholera or typhus, but, for example, there are many gypsies that make their living by sending out their small children to beg and pickpocket. Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded.

    Put some blacks in Romania and see what they do. No need to beg in America, just fake a disability and get $650 a month for yourself and another $300 a month for each kid. The people who beg in America have such bad mental illnesses and substance abuse problems they can’t deal with the paperwork to defraud SSI.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "Actually, I’ve been mugged by both blacks in America and gypsies in Europe! The gypsies attacked in a gang of about 7 or 8, the blacks were only three but had a gun."

    Blacks on average are way more likely than Gypsies to murder their White victims during a robbery. Like for example the case in Mississippi where Barack Hussein Obama's son murdered 2 White Catholic nuns during a robbery.

  168. @candid_observer
    Throwing Moldbug into the mix strikes me as off.

    Steve, Kaus, and the crew at Claremont and American Greatness, are all serious, sensible thinkers who don't like to be wrong about things, and are in fact right about a great many important things. One wants to say: together they almost comprehend the only serious, sensible thinkers on political matters now operating in the US .

    Moldbug is a crackpot. He apparently believes that we're heading toward a reinstatement of monarchy for Christ's sake. Why read further?

    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    Replies: @Laugh Track, @Decius, @Jack D, @ThoughtDeviant, @Wyrd, @Desiderius

    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr

    The same could be said of the Talmud, and yet there are those who do read it. The whole thing.

    I suspect that’s more Moldbug’s target audience than we are.

    • Replies: @Decius
    @Desiderius

    As someone who can go on at great length, I know this is pot-kettle, but I could not force myself through Moldbug either. I've read and still enjoy many very long books, but only when it's evident that there's a purpose and necessity to the length. His ramblings just seemed to go nowhere.

    From what I did read, he seemed to have an OK grasp of the corruption of our times--but not better than Steve's (to say the least). And, unlike with Steve, who is always clear and succinct, you had to work super hard to grasp even his most basic points, and once you did, you realized the effort was vastly out of proportion to the reward.

    His philosophic grounding was non-existent and his prescriptions were laughable. I once began a piece trying to ferret out what was good and what was dross and gave up. The dross was overwhelming, there wasn't enough good, and what there was didn't even come close to justifying the ROI of finding it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ThoughtDeviant, @Desiderius, @grmbl

  169. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    Timothy Geithner isn't Jewish, as far as I know. He seems like an old line upscale Protestant Ford Foundation type, like Obama's mom.

    Replies: @Jack D, @benjaminl

    I seem to remember — though I can’t recall whether it was from a Jewish acquaintance, someone in the media, or maybe right here at iSteve — that his middle name, Franz, was a giveaway.

    He did, however, marry a Jewish lady named Sonnenfeld. But back on the first hand, they were married by a UCC minister — nice Protestant, just as Steve suggested!

    http://tzvee.blogspot.com/2008/11/is-either-timothy-geithner-lawrence.html

    Her father was a comp lit professor, so presumably they are conversant with the Culture of Critique: “Flaubert, Mallarme, Proust, Joyce, Mann, Malraux, Camus, and Valery…psychoanalytic approaches to creative, cultural history and culinary traditions”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/comp-lit/biographies/fc_bio_sonnenfeld.html

  170. @Grumpy
    There are so many of these niche political magazines like the American Interest. What is their purpose? Who reads them? Why?

    Academic journals exist to give people a place to publish what they are required to publish to keep their academic jobs. There is no expectation that anyone will read anything.

    What is going on with these things?

    Replies: @dr kill

    Some gov agency. CIA , DIA, NSA. you get the idea.

  171. @Alec Leamas
    @Zachary Latif

    Hispanics aren't really a monolith, and of course a goodly slice of them are "hwhite" criollos (which probably already account for nearly all of the 20%-30% of Hispanics Republicans get in Presidential years). They've more or less assimilated because they're assimilable - Spaniards with some few generations layover in the Caribbean or Central America. They probably approximate Southern Italian immigrants in their assimilation.

    Of course, we're not getting the criollo ruling class of Latin America as immigrants anymore - rather, mestizos, indios and zambos. They're not only visually distinct from white people, but also less bright. I don't see the descendants of soon-to-be obsolete farm equipment settling well into an information economy that confounds the bottom 1/2 to 2/3 of the white population even after extraordinary AA efforts to make things look not so obvious as they are. I suppose this is a way of saying that they don't seem like prime candidates for voting for whatever interests we may have in the future.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “They’ve more or less assimilated because they’re assimilable – Spaniards with some few generations layover in the Caribbean or Central America. They probably approximate Southern Italian immigrants in their assimilation.”

    If they have been in Central America and the Caribbean for several generations and are not from recent Spaniard immigrant background than most of them are not pure Spaniards. The longer a “White” Hispanic’s family roots have been planted in Latin America, the less likely their DNA would pop up as 100 percent European from a genetic company like Ancestry.com and 23AndMe.

    Ancestry.com recently aired a commercial with an old Hispanic woman with a Conquistador phenotype. Her ancestry is not as White as her phenotype because it revealed that she is genetically 7 percent Sub Saharan African.

    Phenotype is a horrible way to determine racial purity in Latin America.

  172. @Jack D
    @Yak-15

    Perhaps Hamas didn't need to dig tunnels under Israeli territory and send terrorists thru them? Perhaps Hamas didn't need to place their rockets in civilian neighborhoods or aim them at civilian targets in Israel?
    Perhaps the US didn't need to firebomb Dresden or Tokyo?

    Sow the wind, inherit the whirlwind.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    The utility of mass artillery bombardment on tunnel systems has proven fruitful since the advent of gunpowder…

    One would suppose that there are more efficient means of taking out underground facilities in the Israeli arsenal: SBD bombs and other precision aerial penetrating weapons. The US has supplied them with ample amounts of both. Still, they chose to use cannon shells with CEPs with hundreds of meters that have no penetration utility instead. Curious choice.

    Personally I do not usually care how the Israelis deal with their problems. But even this seems a bit extreme.

  173. @Jack D
    @Lot

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.

    This is like arguing which is worse, cholera or typhus, but, for example, there are many gypsies that make their living by sending out their small children to beg and pickpocket. Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded. The closest thing to gypsies in American culture (other than gypsies themselves) would be "carny" culture - they view all outsiders as "marks" whom it is not wrong to take advantage of in any way possible. Most American blacks are not really smart enough to run cons - their level of con man sophistication usually peaks out at the "I need a dollar for train fare" level, which is not very impressive (Buddy Fletcher being the exception). Gypsies will never make it to the Bernie Madoff league but they are good at putting lonely widows in touch with their departed husbands (while emptying their bank accounts) and that kind of thing.

    Replies: @Lot, @Jefferson, @Jefferson

    “Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.”

    If Gypsies are worst than Blacks than why is there much more violent crime on a per capita basis in big American cities than in big Romanian cities?

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Jefferson

    I think there is no question that black Americans are the most dysfunctional group in the industrial world & quite possibly in the African diaspora. Maybe the Congolese are worse.

    What makes Black Americans worse than gypsies is at the very least the gypsies prey on others for the most part. Black Americans kill each other often and with the least amount of provocation. This is extremely rare for a people.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Jefferson

  174. @Desiderius
    @candid_observer


    His epitaph should be:

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr
     

    The same could be said of the Talmud, and yet there are those who do read it. The whole thing.

    I suspect that's more Moldbug's target audience than we are.

    Replies: @Decius

    As someone who can go on at great length, I know this is pot-kettle, but I could not force myself through Moldbug either. I’ve read and still enjoy many very long books, but only when it’s evident that there’s a purpose and necessity to the length. His ramblings just seemed to go nowhere.

    From what I did read, he seemed to have an OK grasp of the corruption of our times–but not better than Steve’s (to say the least). And, unlike with Steve, who is always clear and succinct, you had to work super hard to grasp even his most basic points, and once you did, you realized the effort was vastly out of proportion to the reward.

    His philosophic grounding was non-existent and his prescriptions were laughable. I once began a piece trying to ferret out what was good and what was dross and gave up. The dross was overwhelming, there wasn’t enough good, and what there was didn’t even come close to justifying the ROI of finding it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Decius


    I once began a piece trying to ferret out what was good and what was dross and gave up. The dross was overwhelming, there wasn’t enough good, and what there was didn’t even come close to justifying the ROI of finding it.
     
    One could say the same about trying to get a straight answer from your average Nipponese.

    Again, I don't believe that we're (anywhere close to) his target audience. They have filters to block writing with less of that "dross," as one can readily see by reading your average academic journal. My experience with that crowd tells me that he poses questions that are not easy for them to answer. The trick is getting the audience in the first place.

    On a related note, I appreciate the reply. Keep up the good work.
    , @ThoughtDeviant
    @Decius

    You should read reactionary future(reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com) he situated the critical thinking of moldbug in de jouvenal's on power and macintyre's theory of morals. He also mentions Girard's mimetic theories

    I agree that moldbug himself is almost unbearable to read but RF's musing are excellent. I would be fascinated if someone such as you would write a critique, rebuttal or even expansion on his thought.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Desiderius
    @Decius


    As someone who can go on at great length
     
    I wouldn't give too much credit to criticism offered in bad faith.

    Your brevity is sufficient for your purpose.
    , @grmbl
    @Decius

    I feel the same way when trying to force myself to read Eliezer Yudkowsky.

  175. @Wyrd
    @candid_observer

    Mencius Moldbug
    tl;dr


    Sure that's not Mencious Moldbug, my ADHD? I read his entire body of work and did not nod off once.

    Replies: @dr kill

    He made me look up Jacobin.

  176. @guest
    @Desiderius

    "They're both uncommonly attuned to exceptionally prescient voices from our shared past"

    So they're both right-wing. Got it.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    So they’re both right-wing. Got it.

    No, I don’t believe that you do.

    Noticing is not a left-right thing.

    Hanson, Moldbug and Steve are all noticers. Only the time frames vary.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Desiderius

    You said they were attuned to voices from our shared past. Noticing may not be a left/right thing, but being attuned to voices from the past is a rightist thing. Maybe not if the voice is Babeuf, or something. But that's not what they're attuned to.

    I remember Moldbug saying something like he read about debates from the past, and kept "noticing" the ones supposedly on the wrong side of history tended to be justified by what came to be. That's not noticing beyond right and left.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  177. @Lot
    @Jack D


    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.
     
    Actually, I've been mugged by both blacks in America and gypsies in Europe! The gypsies attacked in a gang of about 7 or 8, the blacks were only three but had a gun.

    This is like arguing which is worse, cholera or typhus, but, for example, there are many gypsies that make their living by sending out their small children to beg and pickpocket. Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded.
     
    Put some blacks in Romania and see what they do. No need to beg in America, just fake a disability and get $650 a month for yourself and another $300 a month for each kid. The people who beg in America have such bad mental illnesses and substance abuse problems they can't deal with the paperwork to defraud SSI.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Actually, I’ve been mugged by both blacks in America and gypsies in Europe! The gypsies attacked in a gang of about 7 or 8, the blacks were only three but had a gun.”

    Blacks on average are way more likely than Gypsies to murder their White victims during a robbery. Like for example the case in Mississippi where Barack Hussein Obama’s son murdered 2 White Catholic nuns during a robbery.

  178. @Decius
    @Desiderius

    As someone who can go on at great length, I know this is pot-kettle, but I could not force myself through Moldbug either. I've read and still enjoy many very long books, but only when it's evident that there's a purpose and necessity to the length. His ramblings just seemed to go nowhere.

    From what I did read, he seemed to have an OK grasp of the corruption of our times--but not better than Steve's (to say the least). And, unlike with Steve, who is always clear and succinct, you had to work super hard to grasp even his most basic points, and once you did, you realized the effort was vastly out of proportion to the reward.

    His philosophic grounding was non-existent and his prescriptions were laughable. I once began a piece trying to ferret out what was good and what was dross and gave up. The dross was overwhelming, there wasn't enough good, and what there was didn't even come close to justifying the ROI of finding it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ThoughtDeviant, @Desiderius, @grmbl

    I once began a piece trying to ferret out what was good and what was dross and gave up. The dross was overwhelming, there wasn’t enough good, and what there was didn’t even come close to justifying the ROI of finding it.

    One could say the same about trying to get a straight answer from your average Nipponese.

    Again, I don’t believe that we’re (anywhere close to) his target audience. They have filters to block writing with less of that “dross,” as one can readily see by reading your average academic journal. My experience with that crowd tells me that he poses questions that are not easy for them to answer. The trick is getting the audience in the first place.

    On a related note, I appreciate the reply. Keep up the good work.

  179. @candid_observer
    OT, but the abjectness of the "man" writing this article is hard to believe:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/well/family/the-fear-of-having-a-son.html

    What a father he must be to his poor son.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @SPMoore8, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Whoever

    That’s quite a dismaying article, and I feel sorry for that little boy without a man in his life.
    Coincidentally, I was reading Polynesia’s bloody roots at West Hunter, which contains this sentence — “So it was like this: the Lapita derived from Taiwan, settled Vanuatua and Tonga – then were conquered by some set of Melanesian men, who killed most of the local men and scooped up the women.”
    The author of the New York Times article is setting his son up to be killed off (figuratively or perhaps literally) by some tough hombres one of these days. And there are always tough hombres. You have to deal with them or they will deal with you.
    Also coincidentally, I recently watched this video, which seems to have been made not merely by a different breed of human from the NYT author, but a different species of creature entirely. I know the kind of people shown in that video. I grew up with their sort. I’m one of them–at least a part of me is. And whenever I hear or read someone fretting about the fate of Whites, I don’t worry too much.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Whoever

    Agreed. Once we finally wake up it will be all over for everybody else.

  180. @Jack D
    @Lot

    Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies.

    This is like arguing which is worse, cholera or typhus, but, for example, there are many gypsies that make their living by sending out their small children to beg and pickpocket. Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded. The closest thing to gypsies in American culture (other than gypsies themselves) would be "carny" culture - they view all outsiders as "marks" whom it is not wrong to take advantage of in any way possible. Most American blacks are not really smart enough to run cons - their level of con man sophistication usually peaks out at the "I need a dollar for train fare" level, which is not very impressive (Buddy Fletcher being the exception). Gypsies will never make it to the Bernie Madoff league but they are good at putting lonely widows in touch with their departed husbands (while emptying their bank accounts) and that kind of thing.

    Replies: @Lot, @Jefferson, @Jefferson

    “Not even inner city American blacks are that degraded.”

    I judge how bad a Nonwhite group is by how often they commit violent crimes against Whites.

    There have been way more Whites who were murdered by Blacks in The U.S than there have been Whites who were murdered by Gypsies in Europe.

    Also you don’t see Gypsies in Europe rioting Charlotte/Baltimore/Milwaukee/
    Ferguson style.

    Anybody who says they would welcome masses of Sub Saharans into Europe if it means demographically replacing Gypsies forever from the continent has never been around a lot of Blacks.

  181. @Decius
    @Desiderius

    As someone who can go on at great length, I know this is pot-kettle, but I could not force myself through Moldbug either. I've read and still enjoy many very long books, but only when it's evident that there's a purpose and necessity to the length. His ramblings just seemed to go nowhere.

    From what I did read, he seemed to have an OK grasp of the corruption of our times--but not better than Steve's (to say the least). And, unlike with Steve, who is always clear and succinct, you had to work super hard to grasp even his most basic points, and once you did, you realized the effort was vastly out of proportion to the reward.

    His philosophic grounding was non-existent and his prescriptions were laughable. I once began a piece trying to ferret out what was good and what was dross and gave up. The dross was overwhelming, there wasn't enough good, and what there was didn't even come close to justifying the ROI of finding it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ThoughtDeviant, @Desiderius, @grmbl

    You should read reactionary future(reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com) he situated the critical thinking of moldbug in de jouvenal’s on power and macintyre’s theory of morals. He also mentions Girard’s mimetic theories

    I agree that moldbug himself is almost unbearable to read but RF’s musing are excellent. I would be fascinated if someone such as you would write a critique, rebuttal or even expansion on his thought.

    • Replies: @guest
    @ThoughtDeviant

    I adore On Power and can see a lot of it in Moldbug, but I wouldn't place that as his primary inspiration. There's Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn in there, James Burnham, Hume, Rothbard, a lot of anti-New Deal Old Righters like John T. Flynn, and so forth.

    But I would place his center of gravity in what he was formerly. He's like all those 50s anti-communist former communists like Whittaker Chambers, who were forever obsessed with communism. Moldbug was a progressive and a libertarian, I assume. I don't remember him admitting the latter, though he probably did. The former is all over every page of his blog. He could never be like a natural reactionary, because he's always an apostate of progressivism.

    His style is from Carlyle, though he's not as erudite or funny.

  182. @Anon
    Everyone has forgotten Scott Adams of dilbert fame - he's a Californian

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Everyone has forgotten Scott Adams of dilbert fame – he’s a Californian

    Now. By upbringing and education, he’s a Catskills boy. There’s still a lot of appleknocker in him.

    He learned to shoot from his mother, didn’t he?

  183. @ThoughtDeviant
    @Decius

    You should read reactionary future(reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com) he situated the critical thinking of moldbug in de jouvenal's on power and macintyre's theory of morals. He also mentions Girard's mimetic theories

    I agree that moldbug himself is almost unbearable to read but RF's musing are excellent. I would be fascinated if someone such as you would write a critique, rebuttal or even expansion on his thought.

    Replies: @guest

    I adore On Power and can see a lot of it in Moldbug, but I wouldn’t place that as his primary inspiration. There’s Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn in there, James Burnham, Hume, Rothbard, a lot of anti-New Deal Old Righters like John T. Flynn, and so forth.

    But I would place his center of gravity in what he was formerly. He’s like all those 50s anti-communist former communists like Whittaker Chambers, who were forever obsessed with communism. Moldbug was a progressive and a libertarian, I assume. I don’t remember him admitting the latter, though he probably did. The former is all over every page of his blog. He could never be like a natural reactionary, because he’s always an apostate of progressivism.

    His style is from Carlyle, though he’s not as erudite or funny.

  184. @Desiderius
    @guest


    So they’re both right-wing. Got it.
     
    No, I don't believe that you do.

    Noticing is not a left-right thing.

    Hanson, Moldbug and Steve are all noticers. Only the time frames vary.

    Replies: @guest

    You said they were attuned to voices from our shared past. Noticing may not be a left/right thing, but being attuned to voices from the past is a rightist thing. Maybe not if the voice is Babeuf, or something. But that’s not what they’re attuned to.

    I remember Moldbug saying something like he read about debates from the past, and kept “noticing” the ones supposedly on the wrong side of history tended to be justified by what came to be. That’s not noticing beyond right and left.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @guest


    You said they were attuned to voices from our shared past. Noticing may not be a left/right thing, but being attuned to voices from the past is a rightist thing.
     
    Sure progtards don't know much history, or much care. But if left just means tard then the concept isn't much use. There have been many on the left, from Montaigne on, who've shared that attunement that Moldbug, Hanson, et. al. demonstrate.

    "I remember Moldbug saying something like he read about debates from the past, and kept “noticing” the ones supposedly on the wrong side of history tended to be justified by what came to be. That’s not noticing beyond right and left."

    Oh, Moldbug is definitely rightist, in the vein of DeMaistre. That's just not the most important thing he has in common with Hanson and Steve.

    Replies: @guest

  185. I did a tweet storm on that piece. I thought he missed the boat in that Hanson, Steve, Kaus, are all moderates. Hanson’s the furthest right of the three, and that’s not much. Immigration is the issue, for all three.

    What I thought was well-done in the piece was the retrospective on the 90s. California tried hard to prevent its fate. But the government and the courts undid all its efforts.

    On PARC, aka the ancient China of high tech (invented everything and put it aside) , Steve Jobs just took one or two things. Many people started companies by leaving Xerox and taking their ideas with them. The one that always comes to mind is Metcalfe and 3Com, but there are others.

  186. @thinkingabout it
    Once America goes the California way in terms of demographics, is there any real hope left for the right?
    Some of us here seem to be under the impression that it won't be long before the pendulum swings back, but I can't see any evidence that the Republicans are regaining strength in California. With every passing day it begins to look more and more like a one-party state with a single state religion of progressivism.

    Replies: @oh its just me too, @Decius, @Decius

    Once America goes the California way in terms of demographics, is there any real hope left for the right?

    no, but the globalists will have achieved their dream of destroying the ‘barriers’ to utopia (The constitution, national borders, the right to free speech, the right to bear arms, ”
    they won’t be bewildered when their utopia does not emerge… they blame it on some lingering hate fact that people still believe.

    but here’s the funny thing….. when we start to reconstruct society it will be more like medeviel england than NPR paradise

  187. @Ivy
    @Jack D

    Bill Gates should thank his Mom daily for her shared board contact with IBM as that made his life work. Now, if only she had said young Billy, don't limit yourself to a 640K workspace, that would've saved users a lot of aggravation and wasted time.

    Replies: @Clyde

  188. @thinkingabout it
    Once America goes the California way in terms of demographics, is there any real hope left for the right?
    Some of us here seem to be under the impression that it won't be long before the pendulum swings back, but I can't see any evidence that the Republicans are regaining strength in California. With every passing day it begins to look more and more like a one-party state with a single state religion of progressivism.

    Replies: @oh its just me too, @Decius, @Decius

    “Yet there is no reason for despair as long as human nature has not been conquered completely, i.e., as long as sun and man still generate man. There will always be men (andres [[“real” or “manly men,” as opposed anthropoi, “human beings”]]) who will revolt against a state which is destructive of humanity or in which there is no longer a possibility of noble action and of great deeds. They may be forced into a mere negation of the universal and homogenous state, into a negation not enlightened by any positive goal, into a nihilistic negation. While perhaps doomed to failure, that nihilistic revolution may be the only action on behalf of man’s humanity, the only great and noble deed that is possible once the universal and homogenous state has become inevitable. But no one can know whether it will fail or succeed. We still know too little about the workings of the universal and homogenous state to say anything about where and when its corruption will start. [[Here I interject: 62 years later, we know!]] What we do know is only that it will perish sooner or later. Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogenous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process—a new lease of life for man’s humanity—not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?”

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Decius


    But would such a repetition of the process—a new lease of life for man’s humanity—not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?
     
    Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU9BObi1GVw

    Replies: @Decius, @The Last Real Calvinist

  189. @thinkingabout it
    Once America goes the California way in terms of demographics, is there any real hope left for the right?
    Some of us here seem to be under the impression that it won't be long before the pendulum swings back, but I can't see any evidence that the Republicans are regaining strength in California. With every passing day it begins to look more and more like a one-party state with a single state religion of progressivism.

    Replies: @oh its just me too, @Decius, @Decius

    Double, sorry.

  190. @pepperinmono
    Relatively new here.
    Interestingly , VDH and Steym were what I was into just prior.

    Also, Doors are great. Music holds up well.

    Replies: @Old fogey

    Welcome, pepperinmono. You will soon find that all roads connect in isteveland. The only blogger I follow that hasn’t been referenced here – at least that I myself have not seen referenced here – is Richard Fernandez. All of my favorites are constantly being referred to by the wonderful Unz-linked columnists, bloggers and commenters. It’s a small world, but growing bigger day-by-day.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Old fogey

    The rest of the pearl clutchers at PJM have driven me off. I check back once in a while to catch up with Wretchard, but it's only an occasional thing now.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  191. @anonymous
    California? Immigation? H1-B and visa abuse? Politicians as sell outs? California as the bellwether of the future?

    Mandatory Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, news:

    "Outsourced IT workers ask Feinstein for help, get form letter in return:
    Senator responds to University of California IT employees whose jobs are going to India", Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Oct 12, 2016:


    "...A University of California IT employee whose job is being outsourced to India recently wrote Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) for help.

    Feinstein's office sent back a letter... no assistance.

    ...The employee is part of a group of 50 IT workers and another 30 contractors facing layoffs after the university hired an offshore outsourcing firm. The firm, India-based HCL, won a contract to manage infrastructure services...

    ...contract is worth about $50 million over five years and can be leveraged by other university campuses -- meaning they could also bring in HCL...

    ...San Francisco (UCSF) campus, are slated to lose their jobs in February and say they will be training foreign replacements.

    ...the school has posted Labor Condition Applications (LCA) notices -- as required by federal law when H-1B workers are being placed...

    ...some available to Computerworld. They show that the jobs... are... programmer analyst II and network administrator IV...

    ...existing UCSF employee... "Many of us can easily fill the job. We are training them to replace us,"...

    ..."...I am being asked to do knowledge transfer to a foreigner so they can take over my job in February of 2017."...

    ...This contract will more than likely not save the University money, but it will definitely wipe out what is now a somewhat diverse workplace."..."

     

    Of course an eventual all-Indian workforce (it happens fast, after the middle managers are all Indian) will make for a non-white, cheaper, and likely more compliant workplace. Isn't that all that matters? (Ignore issues of productivity, we're talking the UC system here.)

    And always remember, kids, be sure to study computers really hard! Stupid uneducated Americans are why the US is falling behind in the world! More Compute Camps for Girls!


    "...Feinstein's office wrote back:



    "...I have received many heartfelt letters from Californians who have either lost their jobs when their company moved jobs overseas, or know people who have. It is very troubling to me that the downsizing of companies and the outsourcing of jobs appears to be becoming a trend not only in California, but nationwide. The striking loss of good jobs in California certainly indicates that both the downsizing of companies and the outsourcing of jobs are playing an increasingly prevalent role in our economy."

    "As such, I believe that instead of excusing the loss of high paying jobs as inevitable, we should be taking reasonable and sensible measures to stop encouraging U.S. companies to move their employees overseas..."

    "..."We also need to invest in our future. We must continue to fund and strengthen our domestic education system,..."

    "...we must invest in appropriate safety nets for those who are temporarily displaced by shifts in domestic industry."

    "...more affordable healthcare for those between jobs..."

    "...I am very troubled by the loss of American jobs and will continue to investigate the roots of this problem..."

     

    ...She could have also asked California's governor to take a look at the IT outsourcing or... the University of California... to ask why a partially taxpayer-supported university is moving jobs to India.

    Feinstein also has another close connection to UCSF. Her husband, Richard Blum, is on the Board of Regents overseeing the University of California system."

     

    Replies: @Old fogey

    You really could not make this stuff up. . .

  192. I thought he missed the boat in that Hanson, Steve, Kaus, are all moderates.

    They’re all moderate in temperament. Just because they don’t fit neatly into the current left-right categories, it does not follow that that makes them politically moderate.

    They are each men of principle, and courageously so. Political moderates tend toward the opposite.

  193. @Decius
    @thinkingabout it

    "Yet there is no reason for despair as long as human nature has not been conquered completely, i.e., as long as sun and man still generate man. There will always be men (andres [["real" or "manly men," as opposed anthropoi, "human beings"]]) who will revolt against a state which is destructive of humanity or in which there is no longer a possibility of noble action and of great deeds. They may be forced into a mere negation of the universal and homogenous state, into a negation not enlightened by any positive goal, into a nihilistic negation. While perhaps doomed to failure, that nihilistic revolution may be the only action on behalf of man's humanity, the only great and noble deed that is possible once the universal and homogenous state has become inevitable. But no one can know whether it will fail or succeed. We still know too little about the workings of the universal and homogenous state to say anything about where and when its corruption will start. [[Here I interject: 62 years later, we know!]] What we do know is only that it will perish sooner or later. Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogenous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process—a new lease of life for man's humanity—not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?"

    Replies: @Desiderius

    But would such a repetition of the process—a new lease of life for man’s humanity—not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?

    Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

    • Replies: @Decius
    @Desiderius

    I think, or hope, that some day we shall fight together.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Desiderius

    Exactly, Desiderius; this is indeed the only right answer.

    And thanks for the video; it's beautiful and inspiring.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  194. @guest
    @Desiderius

    You said they were attuned to voices from our shared past. Noticing may not be a left/right thing, but being attuned to voices from the past is a rightist thing. Maybe not if the voice is Babeuf, or something. But that's not what they're attuned to.

    I remember Moldbug saying something like he read about debates from the past, and kept "noticing" the ones supposedly on the wrong side of history tended to be justified by what came to be. That's not noticing beyond right and left.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    You said they were attuned to voices from our shared past. Noticing may not be a left/right thing, but being attuned to voices from the past is a rightist thing.

    Sure progtards don’t know much history, or much care. But if left just means tard then the concept isn’t much use. There have been many on the left, from Montaigne on, who’ve shared that attunement that Moldbug, Hanson, et. al. demonstrate.

    “I remember Moldbug saying something like he read about debates from the past, and kept “noticing” the ones supposedly on the wrong side of history tended to be justified by what came to be. That’s not noticing beyond right and left.”

    Oh, Moldbug is definitely rightist, in the vein of DeMaistre. That’s just not the most important thing he has in common with Hanson and Steve.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Desiderius

    Progressives don't know history not because they're tards but because they don't need it. It's that whole "who controls the past controls the future" thing. History is written by the victors, and their side is winning, so they don't have to bother putting their minds in the real past. They have Official History already prepared for them.

    It is possible for a leftist to be attuned to voices of the past, for leftism has a past, too. And everyone can learn from people anywhere on the political spectrum. But for normal progressives the past is too rightist for comfort. So they either just ignore it, or they cozy up to the sanitized version their comrades running our culture have waiting for them.

    Like I said, the real past is scarily rightist. Especially for a culture wherein what's acceptable can change by the moment. Used to be anything before the 60s was one big Dark Age. Now it may be before trannies could use the ladies room. That's why I think a person's affinity for the past in and of itself is a good indication that they are rightist. Maybe not as good an indication as gun ownership, or whatever. But one with predictive success.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  195. @Decius
    @Desiderius

    As someone who can go on at great length, I know this is pot-kettle, but I could not force myself through Moldbug either. I've read and still enjoy many very long books, but only when it's evident that there's a purpose and necessity to the length. His ramblings just seemed to go nowhere.

    From what I did read, he seemed to have an OK grasp of the corruption of our times--but not better than Steve's (to say the least). And, unlike with Steve, who is always clear and succinct, you had to work super hard to grasp even his most basic points, and once you did, you realized the effort was vastly out of proportion to the reward.

    His philosophic grounding was non-existent and his prescriptions were laughable. I once began a piece trying to ferret out what was good and what was dross and gave up. The dross was overwhelming, there wasn't enough good, and what there was didn't even come close to justifying the ROI of finding it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ThoughtDeviant, @Desiderius, @grmbl

    As someone who can go on at great length

    I wouldn’t give too much credit to criticism offered in bad faith.

    Your brevity is sufficient for your purpose.

  196. @Desiderius
    @Decius


    But would such a repetition of the process—a new lease of life for man’s humanity—not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?
     
    Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU9BObi1GVw

    Replies: @Decius, @The Last Real Calvinist

    I think, or hope, that some day we shall fight together.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Decius


    I think, or hope, that some day we shall fight together.
     
    I think, or hope, we already are.

    It's just that Sailer keeps such a pleasant table that it doesn't feel like fighting.
  197. @Desiderius
    @guest


    You said they were attuned to voices from our shared past. Noticing may not be a left/right thing, but being attuned to voices from the past is a rightist thing.
     
    Sure progtards don't know much history, or much care. But if left just means tard then the concept isn't much use. There have been many on the left, from Montaigne on, who've shared that attunement that Moldbug, Hanson, et. al. demonstrate.

    "I remember Moldbug saying something like he read about debates from the past, and kept “noticing” the ones supposedly on the wrong side of history tended to be justified by what came to be. That’s not noticing beyond right and left."

    Oh, Moldbug is definitely rightist, in the vein of DeMaistre. That's just not the most important thing he has in common with Hanson and Steve.

    Replies: @guest

    Progressives don’t know history not because they’re tards but because they don’t need it. It’s that whole “who controls the past controls the future” thing. History is written by the victors, and their side is winning, so they don’t have to bother putting their minds in the real past. They have Official History already prepared for them.

    It is possible for a leftist to be attuned to voices of the past, for leftism has a past, too. And everyone can learn from people anywhere on the political spectrum. But for normal progressives the past is too rightist for comfort. So they either just ignore it, or they cozy up to the sanitized version their comrades running our culture have waiting for them.

    Like I said, the real past is scarily rightist. Especially for a culture wherein what’s acceptable can change by the moment. Used to be anything before the 60s was one big Dark Age. Now it may be before trannies could use the ladies room. That’s why I think a person’s affinity for the past in and of itself is a good indication that they are rightist. Maybe not as good an indication as gun ownership, or whatever. But one with predictive success.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @guest


    But for normal progressives the past is too rightist for comfort.
     
    Normal progressives are not Moldbug's target either. The ones who matter have a deep interest in history.

    The true one.

    Replies: @guest

  198. @Clyde Wilson
    The Claremont clique are later comers now climbing on the Trump wagon for patronage. They are first cousins of the Neoconservatives and entirely untrustworthy

    Replies: @AnonAnon

    The Claremont clique are later comers now climbing on the Trump wagon for patronage. They are first cousins of the Neoconservatives and entirely untrustworthy

    Exactly.

  199. This is one of my favorite pieces you’ve written, Steve. Lots of gems here.

    I try to follow the courtesy of using a pseudonym unless I’m sure the author wants his real name used.

    That’s awful sporting of you. Are you aware that the current year is 2016? The current etiquette is to find so much as a single instance where the author/speaker in question has broken from PC doctrine and crucify him as publicly as possible, ideally destroying his career, as well as that of anybody who has ever called him a friend. E.g. Kenneth Bone, who enjoyed an almost literal 15 seconds of fame before it was discovered that he had claimed on Reddit that George Zimmerman is not the Antichrist and also that he had partaken of the forbidden fruit of Jennifer Lawrence’s nude photos that leaked. He is now, “actually bad” according to the totally non-partisan Gizmodo.

    FWIW I think Mr. Moldbug has been sufficiently publicly deanonymized that he wouldn’t care about his real name being used. His presence at a programming event caused quite the uproar. His system software startup is interesting and I wish him well.

    Here lies controversial Steve Sailer

    Honestly, Steve, in this day and age that’s high praise and a worthy epithet.

    populist media, like Twitter, Facebook, talk radio, Fox News, and lowbrow blogs

    Them’s fightin’ words. You can hate their opinions, but Sailer, Steyn, Moldbug, and even Heartiste are not lowbrow. The credential fetishists hate Steyn because he’s a better writer than any of them despite being “unlettered” as they like to say.

  200. @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "Says someone who I think does not have much experience with gypsies."

    If Gypsies are worst than Blacks than why is there much more violent crime on a per capita basis in big American cities than in big Romanian cities?

    Replies: @Ed

    I think there is no question that black Americans are the most dysfunctional group in the industrial world & quite possibly in the African diaspora. Maybe the Congolese are worse.

    What makes Black Americans worse than gypsies is at the very least the gypsies prey on others for the most part. Black Americans kill each other often and with the least amount of provocation. This is extremely rare for a people.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Ed


    What makes Black Americans worse than gypsies is at the very least the gypsies prey on others for the most part. Black Americans kill each other often and with the least amount of provocation. This is extremely rare for a people.
     
    But for outsiders this also makes the difference between them smaller.
    , @Jefferson
    @Ed

    "What makes Black Americans worse than gypsies is at the very least the gypsies prey on others for the most part. Black Americans kill each other often and with the least amount of provocation. This is extremely rare for a people."

    The majority of interracial violence in America is Black on White, so Black Americans also do quite a bit of preying on people outside of their racial group.

    For example last year Barack Hussein Obama's burglar son murdered a Greek family who lived in affluent DC suburb.
    http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/50296773-story

    Even DC's affluent suburbs are still way too geographically close to the dysfunctional Black underclass of DC's city limits.

  201. @Ed
    @Jefferson

    I think there is no question that black Americans are the most dysfunctional group in the industrial world & quite possibly in the African diaspora. Maybe the Congolese are worse.

    What makes Black Americans worse than gypsies is at the very least the gypsies prey on others for the most part. Black Americans kill each other often and with the least amount of provocation. This is extremely rare for a people.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Jefferson

    What makes Black Americans worse than gypsies is at the very least the gypsies prey on others for the most part. Black Americans kill each other often and with the least amount of provocation. This is extremely rare for a people.

    But for outsiders this also makes the difference between them smaller.

  202. @Ed
    @Jefferson

    I think there is no question that black Americans are the most dysfunctional group in the industrial world & quite possibly in the African diaspora. Maybe the Congolese are worse.

    What makes Black Americans worse than gypsies is at the very least the gypsies prey on others for the most part. Black Americans kill each other often and with the least amount of provocation. This is extremely rare for a people.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Jefferson

    “What makes Black Americans worse than gypsies is at the very least the gypsies prey on others for the most part. Black Americans kill each other often and with the least amount of provocation. This is extremely rare for a people.”

    The majority of interracial violence in America is Black on White, so Black Americans also do quite a bit of preying on people outside of their racial group.

    For example last year Barack Hussein Obama’s burglar son murdered a Greek family who lived in affluent DC suburb.
    http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/50296773-story

    Even DC’s affluent suburbs are still way too geographically close to the dysfunctional Black underclass of DC’s city limits.

  203. @Decius
    @Desiderius

    I think, or hope, that some day we shall fight together.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I think, or hope, that some day we shall fight together.

    I think, or hope, we already are.

    It’s just that Sailer keeps such a pleasant table that it doesn’t feel like fighting.

  204. @Jack D
    As I already said, Moldbug's brilliance lies in his diagnosis of the disease, not in his proposed cures. Imagine you are the patient - the West - and you go to Dr. Moldbug - he tells you that you weigh 400 lbs. and your cholesterol is sky high and you had better do something soon or else you are headed for a heart attack. Maybe he then prescribes some kind of wacky diet. No good, you say - there's no way I'm adopting an all tofu diet.

    But then you visit Dr. Hillary and she tells you everything is fine - just keep doing what you are doing now - maybe even eat a few more Big Macs. Which is worse?

    Moldbug's idea of government run as a business is not that far off from say Singapore. You might not like living in Singapore - the idea of getting horsewhipped if you drop your gum on the sidewalk might seem a bit much for you. But what if your only other choice was Detroit or Caracas? Given the direction that demographics are running in, this is where most or all (formerly white) democracies are headed in.

    Yes, ideally someone might figure out a way to restore white female fertility while reigning in non-white fertility and immigration, so that we could continue to have (or get back to having) functioning a white majority societies, but no one has found the recipe for that yet. You may posit a better society where negative feminine and other fringe tendencies are reigned in as they were in the past (BTW certain masculine tendencies, such as those for engaging in wars that kill millions, haven't been all that great either), but no one knows how to achieve or get back to that society from where we are today, short of imposing sharia law.

    And if you do, you still have the problems that led to the downfall of the old system in the 1st place. To take Russia as an example, some people believe that it is Putin's dream to run the clock backward and restore the Soviet Bloc as it existed in 1989. Even that would be a gargantuan task and one that is beyond even Putin's capabilities - yes he may claw back bits and pieces of the old empire but he is never going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again 100%. But even if he did, the same forces that blew it apart the first time would still be present.

    What if I told you the good old days were gone and not coming back, so the only choice left to you is to choose the best of bad alternatives? Because I am afraid that in 3 weeks that will become clear.

    Replies: @Craken

    Moldbug is too verbose and difficult ever to be a popular writer. This was intentional. The result is that few know of him, and those who have encountered him generally come away with misunderstandings or partial understandings. The cumulative power of his critique of modern Leftism is impressive–but requires wading through posts totaling a million words, and some of the work is repetitious. Even an elite readership can be put off by the repetition, disorganization, and length–a Moldbug Anthology would be useful if it does not dumb down the critique. To avoid popularity, it might be best to abbreviate the work–but make it more difficult.

    He also has his flaws, especially in the direction of excessive dogmatism. This is why he quickly stopped engaging in dialogue with his commenters and ignored key criticisms of his ideas. His positive program is problematic in many ways and reads more like sci-fi speculation than a realistic option. However, it’s not just Moldbug’s failing: finding a realistic positive program remains an unmet challenge for the Right, especially the American Right. We may need a second Moldbug to formulate a positive plan.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Craken

    To expand on your "difficult" characterization, I think it comes about through his adoption of the Carlyle style. He's not as good a writer, and not as funny. Or maybe funny isn't the right word. He's not as devastatingly ironic. He uses a lot of circumlocution and indirection, and by the time he gets to the point you might not be interested. Plus, he uses loads of obscure references and allusions. Clicking on links to find out what he's talking about distract as much as the writing itself.

    Unlike many writers he doesn't talk around a subject and throw obstacles in the way of the point because he's hiding the fact that he doesn't have a point. Moldbug does know what he's talking about. It's just that he has his style and he's sticks to it. I prefer a straight shooter.

    You're right about the dogmatism, too. I remember him hammering home a point about it being impossible for metaphysical beliefs to directly cause human action, or something like that. Which I still don't get, and more importantly don't understand why he bothered arguing it. I also was maddened by his position on written Constitutions, which seemed like a nervous tick to men. You could easily apply his argument to all law. But I digress.

    His prescriptions are all but useless.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

  205. @Yak-15
    @bored identity

    The National Interest is a broad collection of neorealist thinkers including Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer.

    It's not usually favorable to Russia or Israel. It's not favorable to immigration or migrants. It's typically against unnecessary intervention the world over unless it advances genuine US security interests and it is also against nation building. It also is against demographic change.

    It's about as opposite from Foriegn Policy as it gets. American Interest, on the other hand, is a neocon, Fukuyama type screed. And it's awful.

    Replies: @Jack D, @bored identity

    Agreed, cum grano solis
    The operative word is INTEREST

    I guests it’s comforting to know that something named The National Interest isn’t usually favorable to Russia or Israel .
    That’s a good starting point.

    Letting go zer experts, such as Kenneth M. Pollack to thrive and co-exist in some more friendlier environment would be the next step in the same direction. Trade him for Andrew Bacevich and call it a day .
    (Oh, never mind, it turns out that since 2013, Ken didn’t squid-ink a single page of TNI.)

    Some people have a hard time conceding that the American scholars Walt & Mearsheimer are just menschy academics whose occupational integrity does not make them national hygienists of any kind.
    Because, dear Jack, sometimes co-authors are just co-authors.
    Even in America.

    ============================================================

    Now, the reason for quipping about The National Interest being run by Russians & Sessions:

    Native name:Old Palo Altan says:

    @Jack D
    @Bacon Eater

    Proven in the Darwinian sense. If monarchism was a fit system it would not have disappeared (except for vestigial forms) in every Western country. You could argue that WWI sent monarchism to an early grave, but monarchism (even the fact that the Kaiser and the Czar and George V were cousins and looked like each other) was not able to prevent or stop the war.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    And how about democracy, which was not able to prevent the Civil War, or World War II, or all of the rotten wars since?

    If the monarchies of Europe had been more fully in charge of their peoples in 1914 (as they had been up to, say, the French revolution, then they would not have allowed a war. It was not the monarchs who unleashed their armies in 1914, but rather their politicians and generals. And, had they been fully in charge, they would certainly have ended the war once they had understood, say by 1917, that a continuation to the bitter end would be the end of their dynasties and of traditional Europe. Emperor Charles of Austria tried; it was the politicians like Clemenceau and Wilson who foiled his efforts, not his fellow monarchs.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Old Palo Altan

    In Russia, the politicians were split, with Witte (and interestingly Rasputin) famously begging the Czar not to go to war. The Czar personally decided for war. In Austria-Hungary and Germany the monarchs faced stronger pressure from their politicians and generals, but even there they had the final word.

    As to the early peace, after the initial tremendous bloodshed in the first year, all leaders feared (justly) that they cannot just finish the war with a draw, because the people would be mad if it turned out that all this bloodshed was for literally nothing. So they knew they will either win or face revolution. The separate peace of Charles would've conceded defeat (and so probably would've led to revolution and disintegration anyway), and it would have been at the expense of Germany. All this at a point when Russia had already succumbed to a revolution. Besides, if separate peace really was the smart thing to do, then what does it make Franz Joseph, the previous emperor?

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

  • @Whoever
    @candid_observer

    That's quite a dismaying article, and I feel sorry for that little boy without a man in his life.
    Coincidentally, I was reading Polynesia’s bloody roots at West Hunter, which contains this sentence -- "So it was like this: the Lapita derived from Taiwan, settled Vanuatua and Tonga – then were conquered by some set of Melanesian men, who killed most of the local men and scooped up the women."
    The author of the New York Times article is setting his son up to be killed off (figuratively or perhaps literally) by some tough hombres one of these days. And there are always tough hombres. You have to deal with them or they will deal with you.
    Also coincidentally, I recently watched this video, which seems to have been made not merely by a different breed of human from the NYT author, but a different species of creature entirely. I know the kind of people shown in that video. I grew up with their sort. I'm one of them--at least a part of me is. And whenever I hear or read someone fretting about the fate of Whites, I don't worry too much.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    Agreed. Once we finally wake up it will be all over for everybody else.

  • @Steve Sailer
    @bored identity


    "William Kristol, editor of the neoconservative Weekly Standard and son of Irving Kristol, said he welcomed the planned journal. ''My father said many times, the more journals, the better,'' he said. ''Soon there are going to be more neoconservative magazines than there are neoconservatives.''"
     

    Replies: @bored identity

    Father knows the best!

  • @guest
    @Desiderius

    Progressives don't know history not because they're tards but because they don't need it. It's that whole "who controls the past controls the future" thing. History is written by the victors, and their side is winning, so they don't have to bother putting their minds in the real past. They have Official History already prepared for them.

    It is possible for a leftist to be attuned to voices of the past, for leftism has a past, too. And everyone can learn from people anywhere on the political spectrum. But for normal progressives the past is too rightist for comfort. So they either just ignore it, or they cozy up to the sanitized version their comrades running our culture have waiting for them.

    Like I said, the real past is scarily rightist. Especially for a culture wherein what's acceptable can change by the moment. Used to be anything before the 60s was one big Dark Age. Now it may be before trannies could use the ladies room. That's why I think a person's affinity for the past in and of itself is a good indication that they are rightist. Maybe not as good an indication as gun ownership, or whatever. But one with predictive success.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    But for normal progressives the past is too rightist for comfort.

    Normal progressives are not Moldbug’s target either. The ones who matter have a deep interest in history.

    The true one.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Desiderius

    Moldbug's target audience was progressives capable of being converted, which in my estimation must be a small portion of them. At least so long as the enemy controls "the Cathedral." That excludes "normal progressives."

  • @Desiderius
    @guest


    But for normal progressives the past is too rightist for comfort.
     
    Normal progressives are not Moldbug's target either. The ones who matter have a deep interest in history.

    The true one.

    Replies: @guest

    Moldbug’s target audience was progressives capable of being converted, which in my estimation must be a small portion of them. At least so long as the enemy controls “the Cathedral.” That excludes “normal progressives.”

  • But Xerox was making so much money on copiers that they could not see any reason to fool around in a business that -might- do $5 million a year. Steve Jobs saw all this at Parc and made it happen.

    Funny thing is, except for a few places like the United States, they were right. E.g., pc (not just PC) market in Japan is dismal, always has been. Japanese simply don’t buy them for home use.

    Timothy Geithner isn’t Jewish, as far as I know. He seems like an old line upscale Protestant Ford Foundation type, like Obama’s mom.

    Yeah, people keep telling me that, and I keep refusing to remember.

    I would say that Israel and the US are more or less comparably diverse or maybe even Israel more so.

    Israel is 75.6% Jewish (0% diversity), and about 20% Arab. That’s 95.6%, right there. Arabs are basically Israel’s answer to Hispanics. Israel’s a bit less diverse than America would be, if you removed the black and yellow populations. That would be a catastrophic blow to America’s “Diversity.” It’d be a “Diversity Holocaust,” according to leftists.

    Most of the non-Caucasoid diversity you’re referring to are non-citizens. They don’t really count.

    Just look at Israeli politics. Nikki Haley? Bobby Jindal? President Hussein? I don’t think so.

    The Confederacy was “diverse,” too. But not “Diverse.” Same goes for Apartheid South Africa, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.

    Cultural diversity is way down the totem pole. That’s why English, Irish, Scots, Welsh, Danes, French, Spaniards, Portugese, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Swiss, Germans, Austrians, Italians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Russians, etc., sums up to 0% Diversity.

    *colonists with an ancient claim, in the case of Israel.

    Right; their ancestors first stole the land a long, long, time ago. So, they have a “claim” on it, now. Well, not really; Jews rule out racial inheritances, as such.

    Perhaps Hamas didn’t need to dig tunnels under Israeli territory and send terrorists thru them? Perhaps Hamas didn’t need to place their rockets in civilian neighborhoods or aim them at civilian targets in Israel?
    Perhaps the US didn’t need to firebomb Dresden or Tokyo?

    Sow the wind, inherit the whirlwind.

    “Sow the wind, inherit the whirlwind” is Zionist for “annoy me, and I kill you.” Casualty counts bear this out.

  • @Old Palo Altan
    @Jack D

    And how about democracy, which was not able to prevent the Civil War, or World War II, or all of the rotten wars since?

    If the monarchies of Europe had been more fully in charge of their peoples in 1914 (as they had been up to, say, the French revolution, then they would not have allowed a war. It was not the monarchs who unleashed their armies in 1914, but rather their politicians and generals. And, had they been fully in charge, they would certainly have ended the war once they had understood, say by 1917, that a continuation to the bitter end would be the end of their dynasties and of traditional Europe. Emperor Charles of Austria tried; it was the politicians like Clemenceau and Wilson who foiled his efforts, not his fellow monarchs.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    In Russia, the politicians were split, with Witte (and interestingly Rasputin) famously begging the Czar not to go to war. The Czar personally decided for war. In Austria-Hungary and Germany the monarchs faced stronger pressure from their politicians and generals, but even there they had the final word.

    As to the early peace, after the initial tremendous bloodshed in the first year, all leaders feared (justly) that they cannot just finish the war with a draw, because the people would be mad if it turned out that all this bloodshed was for literally nothing. So they knew they will either win or face revolution. The separate peace of Charles would’ve conceded defeat (and so probably would’ve led to revolution and disintegration anyway), and it would have been at the expense of Germany. All this at a point when Russia had already succumbed to a revolution. Besides, if separate peace really was the smart thing to do, then what does it make Franz Joseph, the previous emperor?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @reiner Tor

    You're talking about the real history of the war, and I don't disagree with you.
    I am positing monarchs who (as before the French Revolution) could make decisions without worrying too much about the advice of their court officials and could sovereignly ignore entirely what we now call "public opinion".
    Such monarchs, I will continue to insist, would never have let the entire European system crash to the ground, to the ruin of all. It was the democratic spirit which demanded total victory, not the monarchical one.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  • @reiner Tor
    @Old Palo Altan

    In Russia, the politicians were split, with Witte (and interestingly Rasputin) famously begging the Czar not to go to war. The Czar personally decided for war. In Austria-Hungary and Germany the monarchs faced stronger pressure from their politicians and generals, but even there they had the final word.

    As to the early peace, after the initial tremendous bloodshed in the first year, all leaders feared (justly) that they cannot just finish the war with a draw, because the people would be mad if it turned out that all this bloodshed was for literally nothing. So they knew they will either win or face revolution. The separate peace of Charles would've conceded defeat (and so probably would've led to revolution and disintegration anyway), and it would have been at the expense of Germany. All this at a point when Russia had already succumbed to a revolution. Besides, if separate peace really was the smart thing to do, then what does it make Franz Joseph, the previous emperor?

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    You’re talking about the real history of the war, and I don’t disagree with you.
    I am positing monarchs who (as before the French Revolution) could make decisions without worrying too much about the advice of their court officials and could sovereignly ignore entirely what we now call “public opinion”.
    Such monarchs, I will continue to insist, would never have let the entire European system crash to the ground, to the ruin of all. It was the democratic spirit which demanded total victory, not the monarchical one.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Old Palo Altan


    I am positing monarchs who (as before the French Revolution) could make decisions without worrying too much about the advice of their court officials and could sovereignly ignore entirely what we now call “public opinion”.
     
    Did such monarchs ever exist outside of 17-18th century France?

    And let us not forget that the French kings couldn't tax their subjects as much as the British (because taxation is difficult without representation, as the British kings would learn themselves), and when they did want a tax reform (I'm sure you're aware how strange tax rules France had until 1789), then they felt the need for the national assembly.

    And even so, revolution only came because the monarchs were extremely incompetent and forgot to pay on time the military units closest to the capital. With such incompetent monarchs, monarchy didn't really need enemies.
  • @Desiderius
    @Decius


    But would such a repetition of the process—a new lease of life for man’s humanity—not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?
     
    Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU9BObi1GVw

    Replies: @Decius, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Exactly, Desiderius; this is indeed the only right answer.

    And thanks for the video; it’s beautiful and inspiring.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    And thanks for the video; it’s beautiful and inspiring.
     
    You're welcome.

    That Jean Calvin wasn't such a bad guy, for a French lawyer.

  • @Sagamore Sam
    @5371


    . . . attack on America’s democratic institutions . . .
     
    Hmmm. So that's what trying to win an election is called by folks in the Imperial City?

    This kind of semi-sophistry is actually a good thing, in that it challenges us to think more broadly about who we are, and what we're about. This new intellectual vanguard he's referring to should be focused, not on the present election, but on what will proceed in the aftermath of Trump. In less than a month's time, this campaign will be over.

    There is a sense of immense but essentially inchoate energy that is stimulated by Trump today. Will it dissipate? What will arise after this election? Who will claim Trump's mantle? Are there pieces that can be put together into something useful? What is the long term strategy? Codevilla's recent "After the Republic" essay mentioned in the article is a nicely dour assessment of the fundamental current state of things, but who else is thinking about the subject?

    (If one hasn't read Codevilla's piece [http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/after-the-republic/], one isn't a seriously "deplorable" person.)

    The Left has been engaged in this civil war for a century. Today they occupy all the high ground, and, while they still make occasional tactical mistakes, on every front their success seems ineluctable. It took them generations of struggle, but for the entire living memory of a majority of Americans, the Left has owned the organs of mass propaganda and the schools, their soldiers have sat on the court benches and corporate boards, and their intellectuals have written the first, second, and third versions of history in our newspapers, screenplays, and history books.

    It is quite possible for an ordinary American adult to have lived his or her life without ever having felt the need (let alone option) to challenge the power of the Left. One learned the catechism from pre-school to grad school, and life in the "real" world is narrated sufficiently by ABCNBCCBSCNN(NPR/PBS?) that one would never think to ask any awkward questions. For such a person, the Narrative version of the Trumpian fringe may seem a bit strained. First of all, 40 percent is a "fringe"? How can 40% of Americans - many of whom seem to look a lot like two or three of ones' own relatives - be cheering for this racist/sexist/homophobic Hitlerian troglodyte? . . . But the thought soon passes. For members of the Church of Goodism, hating the haters makes one feel really good.

    How do we change THAT?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is quite possible for an ordinary American adult to have lived his or her life without ever having felt the need (let alone option) to challenge the power of the Left. One learned the catechism from pre-school to grad school, and life in the “real” world is narrated sufficiently by ABCNBCCBSCNN(NPR/PBS?) that one would never think to ask any awkward questions.

    . . .

    How do we change THAT?

    I don’t think that we do. History is replete with examples of human folly, individual and mass. We can only strive to say what is true, do what is right, and pray for God’s justice and mercy. Opening eyes, hearts, and minds is ultimately up to Him.

  • @Old Palo Altan
    @reiner Tor

    You're talking about the real history of the war, and I don't disagree with you.
    I am positing monarchs who (as before the French Revolution) could make decisions without worrying too much about the advice of their court officials and could sovereignly ignore entirely what we now call "public opinion".
    Such monarchs, I will continue to insist, would never have let the entire European system crash to the ground, to the ruin of all. It was the democratic spirit which demanded total victory, not the monarchical one.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I am positing monarchs who (as before the French Revolution) could make decisions without worrying too much about the advice of their court officials and could sovereignly ignore entirely what we now call “public opinion”.

    Did such monarchs ever exist outside of 17-18th century France?

    And let us not forget that the French kings couldn’t tax their subjects as much as the British (because taxation is difficult without representation, as the British kings would learn themselves), and when they did want a tax reform (I’m sure you’re aware how strange tax rules France had until 1789), then they felt the need for the national assembly.

    And even so, revolution only came because the monarchs were extremely incompetent and forgot to pay on time the military units closest to the capital. With such incompetent monarchs, monarchy didn’t really need enemies.

  • @Craken
    @Jack D

    Moldbug is too verbose and difficult ever to be a popular writer. This was intentional. The result is that few know of him, and those who have encountered him generally come away with misunderstandings or partial understandings. The cumulative power of his critique of modern Leftism is impressive--but requires wading through posts totaling a million words, and some of the work is repetitious. Even an elite readership can be put off by the repetition, disorganization, and length--a Moldbug Anthology would be useful if it does not dumb down the critique. To avoid popularity, it might be best to abbreviate the work--but make it more difficult.

    He also has his flaws, especially in the direction of excessive dogmatism. This is why he quickly stopped engaging in dialogue with his commenters and ignored key criticisms of his ideas. His positive program is problematic in many ways and reads more like sci-fi speculation than a realistic option. However, it's not just Moldbug's failing: finding a realistic positive program remains an unmet challenge for the Right, especially the American Right. We may need a second Moldbug to formulate a positive plan.

    Replies: @guest

    To expand on your “difficult” characterization, I think it comes about through his adoption of the Carlyle style. He’s not as good a writer, and not as funny. Or maybe funny isn’t the right word. He’s not as devastatingly ironic. He uses a lot of circumlocution and indirection, and by the time he gets to the point you might not be interested. Plus, he uses loads of obscure references and allusions. Clicking on links to find out what he’s talking about distract as much as the writing itself.

    Unlike many writers he doesn’t talk around a subject and throw obstacles in the way of the point because he’s hiding the fact that he doesn’t have a point. Moldbug does know what he’s talking about. It’s just that he has his style and he’s sticks to it. I prefer a straight shooter.

    You’re right about the dogmatism, too. I remember him hammering home a point about it being impossible for metaphysical beliefs to directly cause human action, or something like that. Which I still don’t get, and more importantly don’t understand why he bothered arguing it. I also was maddened by his position on written Constitutions, which seemed like a nervous tick to men. You could easily apply his argument to all law. But I digress.

    His prescriptions are all but useless.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    Another writer who might benefit from Reader's Digest condensed books editing is Mitchell Heisman, who killed himself a few years ago on the steps of the Harvard Library to publicize his unpublished magnum opus on the history of the world. I haven't read it but I skimmed it for about 15 minutes, enough to notice that it needed better proofreading and editing but it looked interesting. Luke Lea speaks highly of it. My impression is that Heisman focuses on the post-1066 ethnic conflict in England between the conquered Saxons and the conquering Normans as central to the development of the dominant modern ideologies.

    I think this idea showed up in Sir Walter Scott. Everybody used to read Scott but now nobody reads Scott, so I don't know. But Scott was a very bright guy and it's probably time to reread him.

    Replies: @D. K., @Desiderius, @guest, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Desiderius
    @guest


    His prescriptions are all but useless.
     
    In the land of the blind...

    I'm quite fond of the idea of rule by airline pilots.
    , @Desiderius
    @guest


    Plus, he uses loads of obscure references and allusions.
     
    The price of admission to be read by gnostics.

    Replies: @guest

  • @guest
    @Craken

    To expand on your "difficult" characterization, I think it comes about through his adoption of the Carlyle style. He's not as good a writer, and not as funny. Or maybe funny isn't the right word. He's not as devastatingly ironic. He uses a lot of circumlocution and indirection, and by the time he gets to the point you might not be interested. Plus, he uses loads of obscure references and allusions. Clicking on links to find out what he's talking about distract as much as the writing itself.

    Unlike many writers he doesn't talk around a subject and throw obstacles in the way of the point because he's hiding the fact that he doesn't have a point. Moldbug does know what he's talking about. It's just that he has his style and he's sticks to it. I prefer a straight shooter.

    You're right about the dogmatism, too. I remember him hammering home a point about it being impossible for metaphysical beliefs to directly cause human action, or something like that. Which I still don't get, and more importantly don't understand why he bothered arguing it. I also was maddened by his position on written Constitutions, which seemed like a nervous tick to men. You could easily apply his argument to all law. But I digress.

    His prescriptions are all but useless.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    Another writer who might benefit from Reader’s Digest condensed books editing is Mitchell Heisman, who killed himself a few years ago on the steps of the Harvard Library to publicize his unpublished magnum opus on the history of the world. I haven’t read it but I skimmed it for about 15 minutes, enough to notice that it needed better proofreading and editing but it looked interesting. Luke Lea speaks highly of it. My impression is that Heisman focuses on the post-1066 ethnic conflict in England between the conquered Saxons and the conquering Normans as central to the development of the dominant modern ideologies.

    I think this idea showed up in Sir Walter Scott. Everybody used to read Scott but now nobody reads Scott, so I don’t know. But Scott was a very bright guy and it’s probably time to reread him.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of the Norman-Saxon conflict, post-1066:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029843/

    [N.B.: The historical date of the Norman Conquest's famous Battle of Hastings, on Saturday, October 14, 1066, actually would have fallen on Saturday, October 20, 1066, under the proleptic Gregorian Calendar; ergo, this Thursday, rather than last Friday, should be properly recognized as the 950th anniversary of that famous battle.]

    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer


    I think this idea showed up in Sir Walter Scott. Everybody used to read Scott but now nobody reads Scott, so I don’t know. But Scott was a very bright guy and it’s probably time to reread him.
     
    You calling me a nobody? Well I never...

    Finished the History of Scotland in March. Reads like a good Netflix script.
    , @guest
    @Steve Sailer

    I've read three Scott books: Ivanhoe, Heart of Midlothian, and Old Mortality. They were both fun, in parts, and a slog. You say everybody used to read Scott, and that includes socialists. Leftists had a great affinity for him. Some one oughtta write a book about that.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer

    Scott was huge in his time, and he was a great fan of Jane Austen.

  • @Decius
    @Desiderius

    As someone who can go on at great length, I know this is pot-kettle, but I could not force myself through Moldbug either. I've read and still enjoy many very long books, but only when it's evident that there's a purpose and necessity to the length. His ramblings just seemed to go nowhere.

    From what I did read, he seemed to have an OK grasp of the corruption of our times--but not better than Steve's (to say the least). And, unlike with Steve, who is always clear and succinct, you had to work super hard to grasp even his most basic points, and once you did, you realized the effort was vastly out of proportion to the reward.

    His philosophic grounding was non-existent and his prescriptions were laughable. I once began a piece trying to ferret out what was good and what was dross and gave up. The dross was overwhelming, there wasn't enough good, and what there was didn't even come close to justifying the ROI of finding it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ThoughtDeviant, @Desiderius, @grmbl

    I feel the same way when trying to force myself to read Eliezer Yudkowsky.

  • @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    Another writer who might benefit from Reader's Digest condensed books editing is Mitchell Heisman, who killed himself a few years ago on the steps of the Harvard Library to publicize his unpublished magnum opus on the history of the world. I haven't read it but I skimmed it for about 15 minutes, enough to notice that it needed better proofreading and editing but it looked interesting. Luke Lea speaks highly of it. My impression is that Heisman focuses on the post-1066 ethnic conflict in England between the conquered Saxons and the conquering Normans as central to the development of the dominant modern ideologies.

    I think this idea showed up in Sir Walter Scott. Everybody used to read Scott but now nobody reads Scott, so I don't know. But Scott was a very bright guy and it's probably time to reread him.

    Replies: @D. K., @Desiderius, @guest, @Jim Don Bob

    Speaking of the Norman-Saxon conflict, post-1066:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029843/

    [N.B.: The historical date of the Norman Conquest’s famous Battle of Hastings, on Saturday, October 14, 1066, actually would have fallen on Saturday, October 20, 1066, under the proleptic Gregorian Calendar; ergo, this Thursday, rather than last Friday, should be properly recognized as the 950th anniversary of that famous battle.]

  • @guest
    @Craken

    To expand on your "difficult" characterization, I think it comes about through his adoption of the Carlyle style. He's not as good a writer, and not as funny. Or maybe funny isn't the right word. He's not as devastatingly ironic. He uses a lot of circumlocution and indirection, and by the time he gets to the point you might not be interested. Plus, he uses loads of obscure references and allusions. Clicking on links to find out what he's talking about distract as much as the writing itself.

    Unlike many writers he doesn't talk around a subject and throw obstacles in the way of the point because he's hiding the fact that he doesn't have a point. Moldbug does know what he's talking about. It's just that he has his style and he's sticks to it. I prefer a straight shooter.

    You're right about the dogmatism, too. I remember him hammering home a point about it being impossible for metaphysical beliefs to directly cause human action, or something like that. Which I still don't get, and more importantly don't understand why he bothered arguing it. I also was maddened by his position on written Constitutions, which seemed like a nervous tick to men. You could easily apply his argument to all law. But I digress.

    His prescriptions are all but useless.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    His prescriptions are all but useless.

    In the land of the blind…

    I’m quite fond of the idea of rule by airline pilots.

  • @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    Another writer who might benefit from Reader's Digest condensed books editing is Mitchell Heisman, who killed himself a few years ago on the steps of the Harvard Library to publicize his unpublished magnum opus on the history of the world. I haven't read it but I skimmed it for about 15 minutes, enough to notice that it needed better proofreading and editing but it looked interesting. Luke Lea speaks highly of it. My impression is that Heisman focuses on the post-1066 ethnic conflict in England between the conquered Saxons and the conquering Normans as central to the development of the dominant modern ideologies.

    I think this idea showed up in Sir Walter Scott. Everybody used to read Scott but now nobody reads Scott, so I don't know. But Scott was a very bright guy and it's probably time to reread him.

    Replies: @D. K., @Desiderius, @guest, @Jim Don Bob

    I think this idea showed up in Sir Walter Scott. Everybody used to read Scott but now nobody reads Scott, so I don’t know. But Scott was a very bright guy and it’s probably time to reread him.

    You calling me a nobody? Well I never…

    Finished the History of Scotland in March. Reads like a good Netflix script.

  • @guest
    @Craken

    To expand on your "difficult" characterization, I think it comes about through his adoption of the Carlyle style. He's not as good a writer, and not as funny. Or maybe funny isn't the right word. He's not as devastatingly ironic. He uses a lot of circumlocution and indirection, and by the time he gets to the point you might not be interested. Plus, he uses loads of obscure references and allusions. Clicking on links to find out what he's talking about distract as much as the writing itself.

    Unlike many writers he doesn't talk around a subject and throw obstacles in the way of the point because he's hiding the fact that he doesn't have a point. Moldbug does know what he's talking about. It's just that he has his style and he's sticks to it. I prefer a straight shooter.

    You're right about the dogmatism, too. I remember him hammering home a point about it being impossible for metaphysical beliefs to directly cause human action, or something like that. Which I still don't get, and more importantly don't understand why he bothered arguing it. I also was maddened by his position on written Constitutions, which seemed like a nervous tick to men. You could easily apply his argument to all law. But I digress.

    His prescriptions are all but useless.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    Plus, he uses loads of obscure references and allusions.

    The price of admission to be read by gnostics.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Desiderius

    When you put it that way, it makes sense. I always wondered why internet people so often make points via links like that, hiding the real subject under discussion behind neutral words. You see the text "applesauce" in blue instead of red, you click, and it takes you to the Wikipedia page on Rousseau. Maybe I could've guessed from the context he was talking about Rousseau, or maybe the reference came out of nowhere.

    In any case, why should it take 13 or 39, or whatever, outside websites to write an essay? Why not just make your point, or at least narrate on your own page? What's the matter with footnotes, for instance? Ah, but some people like a mystery. Being one of the ones who followed the link can make you feel like an inductee to secret rites.

    Is that it?

  • @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Desiderius

    Exactly, Desiderius; this is indeed the only right answer.

    And thanks for the video; it's beautiful and inspiring.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    And thanks for the video; it’s beautiful and inspiring.

    You’re welcome.

    That Jean Calvin wasn’t such a bad guy, for a French lawyer.

  • @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    Another writer who might benefit from Reader's Digest condensed books editing is Mitchell Heisman, who killed himself a few years ago on the steps of the Harvard Library to publicize his unpublished magnum opus on the history of the world. I haven't read it but I skimmed it for about 15 minutes, enough to notice that it needed better proofreading and editing but it looked interesting. Luke Lea speaks highly of it. My impression is that Heisman focuses on the post-1066 ethnic conflict in England between the conquered Saxons and the conquering Normans as central to the development of the dominant modern ideologies.

    I think this idea showed up in Sir Walter Scott. Everybody used to read Scott but now nobody reads Scott, so I don't know. But Scott was a very bright guy and it's probably time to reread him.

    Replies: @D. K., @Desiderius, @guest, @Jim Don Bob

    I’ve read three Scott books: Ivanhoe, Heart of Midlothian, and Old Mortality. They were both fun, in parts, and a slog. You say everybody used to read Scott, and that includes socialists. Leftists had a great affinity for him. Some one oughtta write a book about that.

  • @Desiderius
    @guest


    Plus, he uses loads of obscure references and allusions.
     
    The price of admission to be read by gnostics.

    Replies: @guest

    When you put it that way, it makes sense. I always wondered why internet people so often make points via links like that, hiding the real subject under discussion behind neutral words. You see the text “applesauce” in blue instead of red, you click, and it takes you to the Wikipedia page on Rousseau. Maybe I could’ve guessed from the context he was talking about Rousseau, or maybe the reference came out of nowhere.

    In any case, why should it take 13 or 39, or whatever, outside websites to write an essay? Why not just make your point, or at least narrate on your own page? What’s the matter with footnotes, for instance? Ah, but some people like a mystery. Being one of the ones who followed the link can make you feel like an inductee to secret rites.

    Is that it?

  • @Altai
    Here lies Steve Sailer, golf course enthusiast.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Here lies Steve Sailer. He noticed.

    Is Michael Froman related to Abe Froman, the Sausage King of Chicago?

  • @countenance
    (1) This treats too many disparate thinkers and personalities with a broad brush. I don't think there's a through line between VDH and Moldbug, for example. Much less some of the other named individuals here.

    (2) Acelaservatism (Conservative orthodoxy developed in the Acela train east coast corridor, D.C. to Boston), aka Buckleyism, didn't fail, it actually succeeded. That's because its purpose was to be corporate and establishment friendly, and more important than that, never being any sort of conceivable threat to organized Jewish interests.

    (3) Quite some time ago, I read an interesting theory about why the concept of personal computing was born and raised in California and not Acela, even though Acela did have computing corporations. The theory goes like this: Acela computing business interests were big corporations that were used to dealing with other big corporations big institutions and big businesses in general, the Organization Man paradigm. IBM, NEC, and many others. Meanwhile, California had an individual/ist and small institution business mindset. The reason personal computing sprouted in California is that nobody back east thought of it. It's for the same reason why corporate-ish-oriented professional team sports are traditionally an eastern thing rather than a California thing.

    I wonder if this theory has any relevance to this article.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Busby, @Jack D, @Whiskey, @Brutusale

    “There is no reason any individual to have a computer in his home.”
    1977 quote from Ken Olsen
    Co-founder and CEO
    Digital Equipment Corp.
    Maynard, MA

  • @Numinous

    I try to follow the courtesy of using a pseudonym unless I’m sure the author wants his real name used.
     
    But persistently using the name "Barack Hussein Obama" (as you have done so many times, especially during the 2008 election cycle) is cool? From what I've seen, Obama never uses his middle name, and I only became aware of it by reading (usually critical) articles about him. Also, little Barry didn't have any say in choosing his name, did he?

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The key question you need to answer is when, exactly, did little Barry become Barack? And why?

  • @guest
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball

    This is why I don't trust journalism in general. Because I can tell in this case they're making it up, I extrapolate that they make everything else up, too.

    We live in a world of massive, constant deception. I just got done reading Walter Lipmann's "Public Opinion," so maybe that's coloring my thoughts.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I read it almost 40 years ago and its points are even truer today than when Lippman wrote it in the 20s. The degraded quality of “hard” news, the domination of “infotainment” and the 9-second attention span of the average American is just sheep to slaughter.

  • @Old fogey
    @pepperinmono

    Welcome, pepperinmono. You will soon find that all roads connect in isteveland. The only blogger I follow that hasn't been referenced here - at least that I myself have not seen referenced here - is Richard Fernandez. All of my favorites are constantly being referred to by the wonderful Unz-linked columnists, bloggers and commenters. It's a small world, but growing bigger day-by-day.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The rest of the pearl clutchers at PJM have driven me off. I check back once in a while to catch up with Wretchard, but it’s only an occasional thing now.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Brutusale

    Yes, Wretchard is great, but PJM has gone downhill especially since they started using Disqus for comments. Many long time commenters, including me, dropped out.

    Unz is the best.

  • @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    Another writer who might benefit from Reader's Digest condensed books editing is Mitchell Heisman, who killed himself a few years ago on the steps of the Harvard Library to publicize his unpublished magnum opus on the history of the world. I haven't read it but I skimmed it for about 15 minutes, enough to notice that it needed better proofreading and editing but it looked interesting. Luke Lea speaks highly of it. My impression is that Heisman focuses on the post-1066 ethnic conflict in England between the conquered Saxons and the conquering Normans as central to the development of the dominant modern ideologies.

    I think this idea showed up in Sir Walter Scott. Everybody used to read Scott but now nobody reads Scott, so I don't know. But Scott was a very bright guy and it's probably time to reread him.

    Replies: @D. K., @Desiderius, @guest, @Jim Don Bob

    Scott was huge in his time, and he was a great fan of Jane Austen.

  • @Brutusale
    @Old fogey

    The rest of the pearl clutchers at PJM have driven me off. I check back once in a while to catch up with Wretchard, but it's only an occasional thing now.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Yes, Wretchard is great, but PJM has gone downhill especially since they started using Disqus for comments. Many long time commenters, including me, dropped out.

    Unz is the best.

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