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From the New York Times’ Crossword & Games section::

How Language Classes Are Moving Past the Gender Binary

Languages that contain only “he” and “she” pronouns pose problems for communicating about gender identity. Here’s how some language teachers are helping.

By Molly Lipson
Sept. 1, 2021

Tal Janner-Klausner teaches Hebrew. There is nothing unusual about that, but the language presents a frustration that Mx. Janner-Klausner, who is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns in English, feels compelled to discuss with their students.

Hebrew, as well as French, Spanish, Italian, Arabic and other languages, uses binary pronouns, which means that gender identities outside of he/she and male/female don’t exist in any formal capacity.

In Hebrew, even the word “they” is gendered. In French, “ils” refers to a group of men or a mixed-gender group, and “elles” refers to a group of all females. All nouns in gendered languages — including people — are categorized as either masculine or feminine, and any adjectives associated with these words must reflect that gender.

That presents a problem for students who are gender-nonconforming, and, of course, for the speakers of the language in general. Is it possible for learners of a gendered language to refer to themselves and others when their identities are not represented?

Tal Janner-Klausner is based in Jerusalem and is the coordinator for Hebrew and English teaching the TINAU (This is Not an Ulpan) language school.

… Louis Moffa, who is nonbinary and uses “he” and “they” pronouns, is a teaching fellow in the Department of Italian at Columbia University. Italian is a gendered language with no equivalent to the English singular usage of they/them. …

Mx. Moffa believes that the first step to overcoming gender binaries in Italian is to openly discuss how they appear in the language. “Being able to teach the gendered nature of Italian grammar has given me the opportunity to be more fully seen and understood by my students, because gender can never remain implicit or unquestioned in our classroom,” he said.

In addition to breaking open Italian’s limits on human beings, Mx. Moffa highlights the “absurd” nature of assigning gender to inanimate objects. “Instead of calling it masculine and feminine, you can just pick other polarities: light and dark, full and empty, round and square. It doesn’t even really matter what it is,” he said.

Kris Knisely, an assistant professor of French at the University of Arizona, gets even more specific. At the start of the semester, he introduces students to a number of linguistic developments used by native French nonbinary speakers. For example, the forms of the plural “they” — “ils” and “elles” — are combined to create a new word: “iels.” Similarly, to refer to “them,” the masculine “eux” and the feminine “elles” become “elleux.”

… He is keen to make sure this learning extends to cisgender students — those whose gender identity matches their sex as assigned at birth. “If cis students are allowed to continue to believe that cis people are always the default, or that only cis people matter, that does a great disservice to all students, because they’re not prepared for the world as it actually is,” he said.

After all, who are more realistic than individuals who deny their sex, refer to themselves in the plural, and complain about the backwardness of the French language?

… Molly Lipson is a writer and social justice advocate based in Britain. She is working on her first book, about dismantling harmful socioeconomic systems and envisioning a different world.

Writers, teachers, and social justice advocates who referred to themselves as “based in” someplace are seldom based. It’s an exemplification of David Goodhart’s point that there are two types of people: somewheres and anywheres. The idea behind being “based in” is that they don’t want to admit to actually seeing someplace as home, instead they are just at the moment temporarily based in a city with a major air hub, where they have a flat where they keep their clean clothes before jetting off yet again.

 
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  1. slumber_j says:

    Tal Janner-Klausner…TINAU (This is Not an Ulpan)

    Reality here starts veering into cryptic crossword territory: makes sense that the the NYT ran this piece in the puzzle section.

    Italian is a gendered language with no equivalent to the English singular usage of they/them.

    In my experience actual English has no equivalent to that either.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Paul Mendez
  2. Tangentially related: a friend who teaches a foreign language at a high school informs me that students no longer pick a name to be used in class because cultural appropriation.

    No longer can little Michael enjoy the novelty of being Miguel or Michel. Because taking the French or Spanish version of the Hebrew version of your English name is just too evil to contemplate.

    • LOL: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  3. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:

    The one complaint about gender for objects is extremely old. Every English speaker has this reaction to taking a foreign language. I was surprised that it would even be mentioned as some interesting info to convey.

    FWIW, I prefer English of course to French (or even worse German). But English has its own oddities. Spelling is pretty crap for one. And then there’s really no good reason to conjugate verbs by person–I’ve heard that Chinese doesn’t bother. So even though we don’t have the gender and inflection craziness, we’re not 100% stripped down for logic either.

  4. epebble says:

    temporarily based in a city with a major air hub, where they have a flat where they keep their clean clothes before jetting off yet again.

    What do they do to earn? Jetting Off is expensive. As a person who made/makes a living in the Digital domain, I am curious about the economics of non-binary.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    , @El Dato
  5. dearieme says:

    To anyone educated who knows the distinct meanings of the classical use of “sex” and “gender” that excerpt comes across as impenetrably stupid.

    For the young, and other people who know fuck all: “gender” is a grammatical term, referring to whether a noun (or pronoun, or adjective, …) is masculine, feminine, or neuter. This is an idea distinct from the sex of the object or creature referred to. To talk about the “gender” of a person is, essentially, Californian bullshit, and hopelessly muddies the waters – as bullshit presumably does – if you want to discuss grammatical gender.

    In most cases the gender of a noun will be the same as the sex of the referent if the referent has a sex – e.g. you expect to find that the gender of the noun for “bull” (a bovine of the male sex) is masculine. But people who speak, for example, French or German, will take delight in offering the occasional counter-example.

    Many referents will not have a sex, being inanimate objects. But the noun will still have a gender because that is the habit of those who speak and write the language in question. That habit still has a few examples in English: e.g. a boat is “she”; until recently a country was “she”, …

    As for the few unfortunate freaks of nature, and larger number of the insane, who witter about their non-binary “gender”, it would be an aid to clear thinking if they dropped the word “gender” and adopted a neologism in its place. If utterly lacking in inspiration they could even use “redneg”.

    • Thanks: Fox, El Dato
    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
    , @Rob
    , @Rob
    , @Ganderson
  6. inertial says:

    The menace of foreigners speaking foreign languages must never be underestimated.

  7. GeraldB says:

    An old comment, but it certainly applies here: Words have gender. People have sex.

  8. IHTG says:

    Oh thank god, I thought this person had found a “they” equivalent in Hebrew. Nope, just interchanging pronouns.

    hem/hen -> hex?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  9. countenance says: • Website

    Same thing infesting this country and the German language. The -e/-ie/-in/-en/-innen matter. The “solution” is asterisks, and usually “*innen.” There has already been Antifa graffiti that uses or demands the use of “*innen.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  10. Beckow says:

    English language is stripped of lot of grammar making it adaptable and simple to learn. That is ideal as a lingua franca, but it lacks distinctions and nuance and not just in gender. Unfortunately for the world, this casual simplicity has led the leading anglo-centric culture groups to go verbally nuts – they understand less and preach more.

    Some of it is built into their poor verbal skills – English is so easy and powerful that it can lead to mental degradation for people who don’t try to understand the world outside the English verbal universe. In the past, educated people learned multiple languages, but with English as a basis it is harder (too simple grammar) and not needed (lingua franca status is like the Dutch disease in economics). I wonder what language Biden or Trump know, they reflect the current poor state of the anglo elites.

    So them it is, whatever hell that means…

    • Agree: Forbes
  11. Do they now run anti-beef op-eds next to the livestock quotations?

  12. J.Ross says:

    An ulpan is a quickie school hurriedly getting recent arrivals, of which Israel had lots, to functionality in modern Hebrew. I guess the point of that one not being an ulpan is that they’re more thorough?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  13. Old Prude says:

    ‘After all, who are more realistic than individuals who deny their sex, refer to themselves in the plural, and complain about the backwardness of the French language?”

    Oooooo! The burn! Good one, Steve-o!

  14. That presents a problem for students who are gender-nonconforming

    How many of these attention-hungry assholx can there be?

    • Replies: @Forbes
  15. Svevlad says:

    Worldwide Boxer Rebellion when?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  16. Old Prude says:

    Mrs. Prude’s friend returned from visiting her gender-confused son in Portland, Oregon, lamenting her son had married a “they” without informing his parents. Mrs. Prude, who doesn’t get out much, asked me to explain the meaning of “trans”, “non-binary”, “gender-fluid” etc… She was completely baffled. Who wouldn’t be?

    She asked, ultimately, about her friend’s son: “So, what do we call him?”

    “Mentally ill.”

    Understanding at last…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  17. peterike says:

    There is absolutely no aspect of normality that these vermin don’t want to destroy.

    The Hebrew teacher freak:

    She has been “blessed” with a trans child!

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/rabbi-laura-janner-klausner-transgender-child-1.470865

    The Italian teacher twink.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Janbar
  18. The French are hostile of copying anything that originated in English-speaking countries. That’s why Macron spoke against toppling statues.
    One can expect they will not import non-binary grammar for that reason alone.

  19. PSR says:

    So once again the world is supposed to be turned on its head to indulge the whims of a handful of bored pseudo-academics. Meanwhile, the Chinese laugh and laugh and laugh.

  20. Wilkey says:

    If cis students are allowed to continue to believe that cis people are always the default, or that only cis people matter, that does a great disservice to all students,

    Does any “cis” person here ever remember consenting to being referred to as “cisgendered,” “binary,” or any of these other bullshit terms the crazies have made up for us?

    They demand the right to be called these nonsense terms, or to be referred to as a gender they clearly aren’t, but then impose on us a bullshit name virtually none of us ever consented to.

    I am not “cisgendered.” I am a normal human male. And if anyone ever calls me “cisgendered” or “binary” to my face they will be getting an earful.

  21. This readers of The New York Times who think of themselves as sophisticated ares shocked, shocked to discover that in some languages there are gendered forms of “they.” They are the same ones who were surprised when Latinos did not want to use word “Latinx.”

    But it’s only the tip of the iceberg.
    There are languages that use gendered verbs.
    For example Polish, Russian, Arabic, Armenian.
    The American non-binary imports won’t take root there.

  22. Currahee says:

    This is beyond ludicrous. Are these people well? How long can this insane bullshit continue?

  23. @Beckow

    Who was the last President to speak a foreign language?

    GW Bush speaks some Spanish. Supposedly, Bill Clinton speaks German. Jimmy Carter speaks some Spanish.

    FDR spoke French and German.

  24. @Anonymous

    The King of Spain long convened scholars to rationalize the grammar and spelling of Spanish, so, other than gendered nouns, it’s pretty streamlined.

  25. El Dato says:

    “Being able to teach the gendered nature of Italian grammar has given me the opportunity to be more fully seen and understood by my students

    Which is what this is all about.

    Similarly, to refer to “them,” the masculine “eux” and the feminine “elles” become “elleux.”

    “ELLEUX!” Sounds like soundbites right out of “Gaston Lagaffe”

  26. El Dato says:
    @countenance

    That bullshit started in deep leftist “alternativ” student circles in the early 90s. It’s super annoying.

  27. The entire West is just one huge Weimar Republic.

  28. El Dato says:
    @inertial

    I thought that was a baseball bat.

    Meanwhile in MMA woman-on-woman fighting:

    ‘That’s not a legitimate win’: Fans react to debut victory by American transgender MMA fighter Alana McLaughlin

    This is like Ellen Ripley vs Ash the Android.

  29. Jack D says:
    @slumber_j

    cryptic crossword territory

    I suppose to understand what an Ulpan is not, first you have to understand what an Ulpan IS.

    After its creation, Israel was a nation of immigrants. Almost every immigrant who stepped off the boat or plane from the refugee camps of postwar Europe or from the Arab world or later from the (soon to be former) Soviet Union (and there were millions) was not fluent in conversational Hebrew and needed adult education to learn this new (to them) language. So a standard part of the experience of becoming an Israeli was attending an “Ulpan” – a (usually government sponsored) school designed to teach adult immigrants basic written and conversational Hebrew so that they could be integrated into Israeli society. These schools, as a form of public school, tend to follow a set curriculum and rigid, somewhat old fashion teaching method (here is a verb – this is the future tense, this is the imperative tense, this is the infinitive tense, here is a table of verb patterns – please memorize them) and are not going to take a “counterculture” approach to cultural or religious issues.

    So a NOT Ulpan takes a different approach to language learning.

  30. Her husband worked a Rabbi in Stockholm.

    Don’t say they didn’t warn you.

  31. Jack D says:
    @peterike

    That’s not Tal, the trans (f to m) Hebrew teacher, that’s “their” mom who is some sort of British Reform Rabbi.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @LondonBob
  32. @Steve Sailer

    George H. W. Bush spoke French but never in public, because his advisors told him it would make him look wimpy. Source: Sacrés Français: un Américain nous regarde – Page 196, Ted Stanger , 2003

  33. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Language instruction in the US sucks, because we haven’t really needed it. If you want to learn another language, the best way is to have your country militarily (or at least culturally) conquered and occupied by another country. A majority of Germans (in the western part at least) speak pretty good (sometimes amazingly good) English while people who grew up in the DDR learned Russian (Merkel still speaks pretty decent Russian).

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  34. Beckow says:
    @Steve Sailer

    How about Obama? he may had picked up some language as a kid in Indonesia, or possibly attempted Swahili. There is no record showing that instant Nobel saint understanding another language of some gravitas…it pins these people down as hopeless light-weights, the unbearable lightness of a one-dimensional mind…

    The previous generations would laugh at this level of education, FDR or Hoover would probably emigrate :)…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @PiltdownMan
  35. @inertial

    Rebel Yell bourbon finally caved and now just calls itself Rebel — but what about the racist scourge of my other house brand, Gato Negro wines from Chile, available wherever fine boxed swill is sold

  36. Forbes says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    All in a days work for those whose college degree was in Grievance Studies…

  37. Fox says:
    @Beckow

    Herbert Hoover knew Latin so well that he translated Agricola’s De re metallica into English.
    Imagine Bush junior speaking Latin….

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  38. anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    nothing new steve.

    for a long time now, like 30 years in americastan, the rule that a person of indefinite gender is given the pronouns he, him, his has been abandoned.

    call a spade a spade steve. it’s stupid because those who push for it are stupid. it’s genetic deterioration and jewish media what done it. it’s the same reason for “hate speech” laws in europe and unz.com’s stalinist comment moderation. low IQs.

  39. English is unironically the most “internationalist” language there is. It doesn’t gender anything outside of he/she, or any adjectives; contrast that to, let’s say, Icelandic, were for example “hungry” would be modified differently depending on the sex of the individual(and/or if it’s a group); this element renders it more inclusive. Moreover, English has minimal grammar/syntax in order to have fewer distractions from abstraction; this renders it more accessible to lower IQ individuals.
    I’m quite surprised international interest groups haven’t yet targeted Finland, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, and Iceland for having such “exclusive” tongues; it must really be impeding their integration efforts of refugees. Can a person with an IQ beneath, let’s say, a 100 even acquire a fluent command of said languages? Honest question.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  40. The idea behind being “based in” is that they don’t want to admit to actually seeing someplace as home, instead they are just at the moment temporarily based in a city with a major air hub, where they have a flat where they keep their clean clothes before jetting off yet again.

    Isn’t it mainly just to show off that they live somewhere trendy and hip? (e.g. expensive and dangerous)

  41. RyeFrost says:

    A common Black answer, from my childhood: “Where do you live?” “I’m staying at the Glenview apartments.” Permanent temporariness”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  42. Deogolwulf says: • Website

    Though an abomination of grammar, may I identify as a dangling modifier?

  43. @Svevlad

    Worldwide Boxer Rebellion when?

    Do you honestly see any people out there with the spine and intestinal fortitude to carry out that sort of thing?

  44. @Beckow

    Obama says he can’t speak Indonesian anymore.

    • Replies: @S Johnson
  45. slumber_j says:
    @Jack D

    I’d looked it up before writing my original comment, but thanks. Basically a less witty (because less involuted) version of the software GNU’s naming strategy, in which the acronym stands for “Gnu’s Not Unix.”

    Funny ’cause they could have done the same thing with their name and made it TINAU (Tinau is Not an Ulpan). It still wouldn’t have been original tho.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  46. … but the language presents a frustration that Mx. Janner-Klausner, who is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns in English, feels compelled to discuss with their students.

    Crimeny! I had to go back and read again to see if this was a group of Hebrew teachers! They just want to destroy the language and make it hard to figure anything out. I don’t have time for this shit.

  47. anonymous[843] • Disclaimer says:
    @RyeFrost

    Back when Live PD was on (rest its soul) one of the many fascinating things to see was the complete disappearance among crime-involved and crime-proximate Americans of the concept of “living” in any place.

    They only “stay” somewhere, but they never live anywhere. Even the cops had to adopt the lingo, for example asking suspects “where do you stay at?” when trying to verify addresses/stories because “where do you live?” would have elicited blank stares.

  48. Alfa158 says:
    @inertial

    That was hilarious. The Crayola company thought she was serious and fell for her troll.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  49. tyrone says:

    MX.????? ,what the hell is that ? ……I can’t keep up.

  50. “instead they are just at the moment temporarily based in a city with a major air hub, where they have a flat where they keep their clean clothes before jetting off yet again”

    It’s a good life for restless souls. Good for them and for the people in their life. I want to get back to it. But that will only be possible through submission to The Vaccine.

    “clean clothes”

    Clean clothes are just waiting to become dirty. Total nudity is the only way to escape the conspiracy of dirty clothes. However, they will not let you fly, check in to a hotel, rent a flat or car, book passage to Vladivostok, eat a giant taco, sneak around predawn Berlin, or get the Vaccine whilst nude. It’s relentless.

  51. Alden says:

    This is total lies. Grammatical gender has absolutely nothing to do with sex or men and women. Less to do with men and women than male and female plumbing terms. A pipe and openings.

    At some point maybe 3,4000 thousand years ago some people speaking early Latin decided that articles they they the a etc should conform to the endings of nouns and adjectives. And it lasted all these years. To the annoyance of people learning Spanish French Italian etc.

    Most engine car parts are feminine gender in French. So what’s? It’s because most of those words end in E or ion.

    One of the many reasons I despise the feminazis is their discovering the obscure grammatical term gender and substituting it for sex and man and women.

    Suck it up non binary language teachers. White women teachers who’ve been endlessly harassed and threatened with rape by black men have to teach Mockingbird Emmett Till and Scottsboro Boys lies.

    So you obscenities deal with Romance language gender. Your students don’t want to hear about your struggles and whining.

    Morons if they think grammatical gender has to do with male and female instead of the endings of the nouns. And these whining exhibitionists are language teachers.

  52. If US public schools even offer foreign language classes (to non-ESLs), I cringe at how the credentialed babysitter is presenting gender.

    Note that the students — presumably the top 10%, and the parents of most of them, will be the ones demanding that the preferred pronoun stupidity be respected (indulged).

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  53. @epebble

    “Jetting Off is expensive.”

    Indeed, I prefer to stay home and….

  54. notsaying says:
    @inertial

    I hit on the twitter link to Titania by mistake. She is quite the girl — or boy, I am not sure which and I am not going to look her up. Her little intro paragraph at the top is very funny:

    “Activist. Healer. Radical intersectionalist poet. Nonwhite. Ecosexual. Pronouns: variable. Selfless and brave. Buy my books.”

    She saves the most important thing for last: Buy my books.

    She doesn’t want straight white men to retweet her stuff. Glad you quoted her and that she would object.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    , @El Dato
    , @res
  55. Alden says:

    Have these American native English speakers teaching romance languages checked with the French government run Academie Francaise or the official Alliance Francaise language schools all over the world about eliminating gendered articles and pronouns in the French language? Or the Italian equivalent?

    Who are native English speakers to go against the official guardians of the French and Italian languages?

    American elementary and secondary schools stopped teaching English grammar about 40 years ago because English grammar is offensive to women minorities and perverts . But other languages still use correct grammar and it’s taught in schools in most countries except America.
    So now the perverts want to force other languages to change their grammar to accommodate a few thousand weirdos?

    Off topic

    The queen appointed an African, not even a Caribbean black as Lord Lieutenant of London. He’s the Queens representative. He announced the royal family supports BLM. To great praise by the Guardian and the universities. Duchess Kate has returned to royal duties after a 6 week break. Her very first “duty” was to welcome Afghan refugees. Just as the royal family has been slobbering over non White immigrants and visiting and saving Africans for decades.

    Every time I saw pictures of Princess Anne, then Dianna and young William and Harry surrounded by African toddlers all I thought was . What will those cute little boys be doing in 10 years? Not that I consider them cute.

    • Agree: al gore rhythms
  56. @El Dato

    Somebody (was it you?) posted this in news links yesterday:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9985411/PIERS-MORGAN-time-stop-trans-sport-insanity-women-start-killed.html

    See I don’t think this is horrible at all. But then again I used to love those helmet-to-helmet shots in the NFL where everybody went silent and they wondered if the poor guy would ever walk again.

    Mayhem is EXACTLY the point of MMA. Who didn’t love watching McGregor break his leg?

  57. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Speaking of weirdo insane clergy critters and their denominations. The Evangelical Lutherans just created their first trans gender bishop. Had to borrow the Episcopal Cathedral in San Francisco for the coronation or what ever it’s called.

    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
  58. martin_2 says:
    @notsaying

    Hers is a well known joke account. (Seemingly not that well known.)

  59. Wilkey says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Romney, if elected, quite possibly would have been the first in a while. He learned French while serving a Mormon mission (and avoiding Vietnam). I’m quite positive I’d rather have a president know the “language” of combat than any other, but even many combat veterans (see Kerry or McCain) turn out to be sellouts.

    Trump’s mother was a Gaelic speaker straight from the Hebrides of Scotland, so Trump may very well speak some Gaelic. He doesn’t strike me as the sort of person to get too sentimental about such things, and even so Gaelic sounds not much better than French, so he may have avoided speaking it in public. German is a truly manly language, but politicians tend to avoid speaking that one in public for entirely different reasons.

    In the pre-WW2 era, before the English language came to dominate in almost every field of endeavor, committing the time and energy to learn a foreign language made more financial sense to the elite, and even to the middle class. The fact that so few of our top leaders have bothered to do so only speaks to our lack of an elite that is elite in any real sense, other than to enlarge its own wealth and power.

    I would guess that the next president to know a foreign language will probably only know it because he had to learn it for his bar mitzvah.

    • Agree: Ganderson
    • Replies: @D. K.
  60. El Dato says:
    @epebble

    “This research has been supported under Grant XYZ by the Institute of Whatever”

  61. El Dato says:
    @notsaying

    You do know that Miss Titania Gethsemane McGrath has been outed as the trolling account of Andrew Doyle from Spiked Magazine, do you.

    Much better than the insufferable low-IQ “Brooklyn Dad” (who gets paid for his incoherent blue takes).

  62. The intent is not to clarify language, it is to confuse and control.

    This woman is a radical feminist, but a linguist who knows what she’s talking about. And what they’re talking about:

    https://americanmind.org/salvo/whats-in-a-pronoun/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Alden
  63. @slumber_j

    Heh, I like your recursive TINAU. But if you’re expecting wit from these nitwits, you’re already asking too much.

  64. @dearieme

    For what it’s worth, even some words for ‘penis’ are grammatically feminine in some languages (e.g. Spanish polla, French bite, Lithuanian varpa etc.). As a rule, there are multiple terms for said body part (as we say in these parts, “a beloved child has many names”), and only a minority are grammatically feminine, but still they exist.

    • Replies: @Alden
  65. @IHTG

    “Ele” (אֶלֶה) would be a pretty serviceable gender-neutral “they”.

    If you want to see where they’ve taken things, check this out:
    https://ibb.co/b57qRTX

    • Replies: @Jack D
  66. @El Dato

    Trans male Alana McLaughlin beating up women in MMA

    “Asking her religious mother for gender reassignment, a request which was turned down with the pair estranged and no longer on speaking terms, she served in the military for six years before being diagnosed with PTSD.”

    This mentally damaged adult queer male in drag with mommy issues is allowed in the ring with female athletes. Unskilled at boxing, he uses his mass and power to choke out his opponent. This is not sport, it’s battery. The mental health profession should be stepping in.

    • Agree: El Dato
  67. @J.Ross

    No, not more thorough, just more hip. That’s what I got out of their web site.

  68. Perhaps French will prove to be the immovable object against which the seemingly unstoppable force of Wokeness smashes itself into ruin. The French don’t take kindly to anyone fiddling with their language. The members of the Academie Francaise, the body that protects the language from external influence and internal decay, are mostly old geezers, but they carry swords to their meetings:

  69. Jack D says:
    @International Jew

    Well, if you consume enough sufganiyot (jelly donuts) then men and women CAN be made equal in weight. Height is still a problem though. I understand though that there’s this guy in Greece (by the name of Procrustes) who’s got this nifty invention to solve that problem as well.

  70. Kris Knisely, an assistant professor of French at the University of Arizona, gets even more specific. At the start of the semester, he introduces students to a number of linguistic developments used by native French nonbinary speakers. For example, the forms of the plural “they” — “ils” and “elles” — are combined to create a new word: “iels.”

    If my French neighbours spoke Yiddish, they’d call these folks Schlemiels.

  71. @Sparkling Wiggle

    That’s a shame. Leftists never run out of things to screw up.

    My real first name had no Spanish equivalent, so I used my middle name. It was fun.

  72. El Dato says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Since proponents of pronoun proscription have minimal understanding of what they are asking people to do, they incorrectly believe that explaining the issue and forcing people to recite other people’s pronouns should solve the problem. When this fails, it is then grounds to assume that the error signifies intention, aggression and hate.

    Works for me. I hate pronoun-mongers, consider them narcissistic scum and want to punch them in the face and worse.

  73. nebulafox says:

    SJWism is a deeply American thing. That I can’t deny.

    But the Europeans have no right to complain, having foisted upon us the cultural Marxists in the first place during the Cold War.

  74. D. K. says:
    @Wilkey

    “I would guess that the next president to know a foreign language will probably only know it because he had to learn it for his bar mitzvah.”

    Alas, you probably are confusing her with her husband:

    ***

    Their mother introduced them to Hinduism and took them to a nearby Hindu temple, where she occasionally sang.[26] As children, she and her sister visited their mother’s family in Madras (now Chennai) several times.[27] She says she has been strongly influenced by her maternal grandfather P. V. Gopalan, a retired Indian civil servant whose progressive views on democracy and women’s rights impressed her. Harris has remained in touch with her Indian aunts and uncles throughout her adult life.[28] Harris has also visited her father’s family in Jamaica.[29]

    Her parents divorced when she was seven. Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.[27] When she was twelve, Harris and her sister moved with their mother to Montreal, Quebec, where Shyamala had accepted a research and teaching position at the McGill University-affiliated Jewish General Hospital.[30] Harris attended a French-speaking primary school, Notre-Dame-des-Neiges,[31] then F.A.C.E. School,[32] and finally Westmount High School[b] in Westmount, Quebec, graduating in 1981.[34]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#Early_life,_family_and_education_(1964%E2%80%931990)

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Alden
  75. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    Conquest is not necessary. Virtually all educated Germans in the Wilhelmine era spoke French, many spoke English on top of that. Similarly, in the Habsburg lands, while German served as the dominant language of bureaucracy, education, and the military that anybody with an education spoke regardless of ethnicity, French remained prominent in the aristocracy for cultural purposes, and especially so in the diplomatic service. In Russia, the language of the court remained French well into the dying days of the Romanovs, and German was still common among the various ethnic German minorities in the empire.

    (Part of the reason for the Russification policies of the 1880s was to eliminate the perceived “foreign” Baltic German stranglehold on the bureaucracy-the language reality was embarrassing for Slavophiles. Though the perception of fifth columnism was not based in reality: some of the ethnic Germans were more radical Russian nationalists than the Russians themselves, from Nikolai Hartwig of July 1914 fame to Mr. Bloody Baron Ungarn-Sternberg.)

    It’s really more a matter of geography and how many different languages you’ll deal with in your daily life than anything else, IMO. In Asia, polyglots are going to be a lot more common in Malaysia than Japan, despite the latter being a more educated, “smarter” country, both in terms of fluency in English and other languages.

  76. nebulafox says:
    @El Dato

    We live in a fundamentally stupid age.

  77. @Beckow

    According to something I read by John McWhorter, IIRC, languages tend to become simplified when they are learned by adults — who have far less natural capacity than children to master verbal nuance and eccentricity. (Pidgin languages being the extreme example of simplification to accommodate adult learners). By contrast, where the same language is learned by generation after generation of children, it tends to accumulate ever more sophisticated (and hard to learn) wrinkles.

    In the case of English, his theory is that it became grammatically simplified and degendered by adult Norse who were learning it for the first time after their invasion/immigration. As the ruling group in the areas they occupied, they were able to change the “official” spoken language to accommodate the way they spoke it — i.e., by dropping what to them seemed like the pointless bits.

    From Wikipedia:

    While inflectional reduction seems to have been incipient in the English language itself, some theories suggest that it was accelerated by contact with Old Norse, especially in northern and midland dialects.[3] This correlates with the geographical extent of the viking Danelaw in the late 9th and early 10th centuries; for almost a century Norse constituted a prestige language with regard to the southern Northumbrian and east Mercian dialects of Old English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_in_English

    • Thanks: Beckow, El Dato
    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  78. Wilkey says:
    @D. K.

    It is unlikely Harris will ever be president. Biden is already incapacitated, for all relevant purposes. It is unlikely, though, that he will ever actually step aside. The people who are actually running the show will never allow him to do so. No one wants Kamala to be president, and she probably never will be.

  79. Alden says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Which is the woman? The one in pink or the one with the blue and silver scarf?

  80. @Beckow

    Over in the UK, Boris Johnson, speaks ancient Greek. That’s quite unusual these days, but then, he studied classics at Oxford. Apparently, modern Greeks don’t like the accent he uses, which has been standard in British universities for a few hundred years.

    • Thanks: epebble
  81. Alden says:
    @D. K.

    Living in Quebec middle and high school in Quebec she must have learned French pretty quickly , chapeau a elle. And then off to Washington DC and Howard to learn cursing and Ebonics.
    India must be a horrible horrible place if the elites like her mom and grandparents have to run first to America and then to Canada go find running water and toilets.

    As far as not being allowed to play with other kids in Palo Alto that’s a lie. The nauseating liberals of Palo Alto would have lined up by the dozens to ask a frizzy haired light brown girl to play with their kids.

    And according to earlier biographies, the Marxist economist father abandoned the family didn’t support the kids and very seldom saw them. The girls didn’t visit their father regularly . And Mom , poor abused poverty stricken single mom, moved to Canada so the grandparents could help support the kids.

  82. @slumber_j

    Long before wokism, English used “they” in the singular, as a short-cut for “his or her.”

    As in, “If anyone forgot their lunch, they can buy something to eat at the cafeteria.”

    Grammar nazis may disapprove, but like splitting infinitives or ending a sentence with a preposition, it’s long been common.

  83. @Anonymous

    Like English, Chinese only has gender in personal pronouns (and only barely so); the grammar is more logical. No inflections and tenses whatsoever. To the point now that Google Translator is startlingly accurate. Writing the characters is now a non-issue since you can type. To attain a stylistic high in writing though is what separates the men from the boys.

    Chiang Kai-Shek was fluent in Japanese and communicated with his German advisor, Alexander von Faulkenhausen in that language. Most of the CCP founders knew one or the other, French, Russian, etc.

    Mao was alone in being mono-lingual, on top of that spoke barely intelligible Mandarin with rustic Hunan accent. This was his unpretentious appeal to peasants. His appeal to elites was through his spectacularly flamboyant poetry and calligraphy.

    Xi is the first CCP leader to speak accent free Mandarin.

  84. Some languages go beyond classifying nouns as masculine/feminine/neuter. IIRC, Stephen Pinker described a cannibalistic tribe that used different articles for edible/non-edible nouns. The word for “strangers” used the edible article.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  85. @nebulafox

    Or in the case of Normans and Manchus, influence and eventually adopt the language of their vanquished*.

    *I use this term loosely since Manchus had to heavily adopt Neo-Confucian institutions to finish their conquest or rather infiltration

    A large corpus of Japanese and Korean vocabulary are simply their attempts to speak the English word.

    Another aspect of Anglo-domination is their chokehold on programming languages. You can’t just switch to writing wenn-dann-sonst statements

  86. Cortes says:

    Glaswegians with a taste for Yiddish/queer cuisine, culture and hectoring can now beat a path to

    https://pinkpeacock.gay/

    All welcome. Well, all bar cops and TERFs.

  87. @nebulafox

    A friend married an Albanian woman. He liked to brag, “She speaks three languages fluently. Four, if you count Albanian!”

  88. jamie b. says:
    @Anonymous

    “And then there’s really no good reason to conjugate verbs by person–I’ve heard that Chinese doesn’t bother.”

    Lots and lots of languages don’t bother.

  89. Separate nations!

    Seriously, that seems to be the only reasonable solution.

    People on the sensible right lack the will–even the desire–to beat the loons back into some sort of civilizational shape. I have no desire to do so.

    But i have no desire to humor these rainbow loons, or put up with any minority garbage whatsoever. If you don’t like the culture, norms, values of normal America … go somewhere else and stop sponging off of us!

    Separate nations seems the straightforward, non-coercive path out. I don’t oppress you, you don’t oppress me.

  90. @Paul Mendez

    You’re right that this was well before wokism, Paul, but it only took hold after feminists got people afraid to use the masculine for the pronoun for someone of unknown sex. I wonder if anyone here is old enough to know when this came into widespread use – 1970s, perhaps?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  91. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:

    The American Hebrew teacher will have a nervous break down of some kind. The Bible is written in Hebrew and almost every pronoun, noun, adjective and number is gendered “male” or “female”. The Jews keep their Bible. They are not changing it for a Woke American Jew. I feel sorry for this teacher’s students. Any Hebrew spoken all “in male” or all “in female” will sound semi-retarded. Maybe not semi.

  92. Remarkable that this tiny sliver of pathological narcissists demand and receive more public attention than, for instance, the scientific legacy of western civilization, or the United Nations’ sustainable development goals that would improve the lives of billions.

    Look at me, me, me, me, me.

    Me, me, me.

    Me!

    • Replies: @Escher
  93. @Achmed E. Newman

    Sounds about right.

    Now if you go back to the 1950s, you see not just the universal “he” but the universal “man” — stuff like “a man wishing to succeed in commerce” or “the men who settled the frontier”. In other words, explicit acceptance that it’s a man’s world.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Jack D
  94. bgates says:

    Let this commenter be the first to adopt the pronoun “you”. You may say this is a pretentious, attention seeking move which only degrades communication; you simply disagree. You have thought about this for a while, and you have decided “you” is the best word for you, no matter what you say.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  95. Hi There says:

    Foreign language departments at universities are like mothballed antiques that society doesn’t want to throw out, but doesn’t really care about either.

    Getting into woke politics is one way to get society to care and achieve some relevance. This site would never notice foreign language departments or the Classics departments if they didn’t go woke.

    Classics departments were similar. Old legacy departments that society stopped caring about many decades ago. Some academics in classics got involved in woke politics, and I imagine that’s just a way to try to be relevant to the current world.

  96. Rob says:

    A genderqueer person is trying to to book a hostel birth.

    Oh, you’re genderqueer? Are you a genderqueer man or a genderqueer woman?”

    Apologies to whoever came up with the Jew in Northern Ireland joke.

    • Replies: @Rob
  97. ” Molly Lipson is a writer and social justice advocate based in Britain. She is working on her first book…”

    “first”? Regardless of how or where she is based, Molly Lipson, a “writer” who has not written a single book, is destined to write a whole series of books. How did the writer of this profile know that?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  98. Janbar says:
    @peterike

    Daddy/grandaddy was Greville Janner. It must run in the family.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  99. Rob says:
    @dearieme

    I have never looked this up, but I have been told that en español, the penis is la pinga. That was from a Guatemalan guy on my high school track team, so maybe that’s a local dialect?

    Jonathan Mason, what say you?

    I was going to ask if only Indo-European languages gender nouns, but Hebrew is not Indo-European, no? Is it universal? I mean, do any Oriental languages gender nouns? What about New World languages?

    If it is universal, I wonder if gendered nouns come from the ur-languages, developed in our transition from pre-humans with no languages.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  100. Rob says:
    @dearieme

    I have never looked this up, but I have been told that en español, the penis is la pinga. Come to think of it, he said that the phrase, “suck my…” uses the formal, usted conjugation, and is reflexive, chupeme, which I think altogether means “suck my [] yourself, sir,” which is even more insulting, somehow. Along the lines of, “if you would be so kind, and if it’s not too much trouble, would you consider going and f*cking yourself?” This all was from a Guatemalan guy on my high school track team, so maybe that’s a local dialect?

    Jonathan Mason, what say you?

    I was going to ask if only Indo-European languages gender nouns, but Hebrew is not Indo-European, no? Is it universal? I mean, do any Oriental languages gender nouns? What about New World languages?

    If it is universal, I wonder if gendered nouns come from the ur-languages, developed in our transition from pre-humans with no languages.

    From the grammar of insulting phrases to speculation about the origins of language, you get it all in a Rob comment!

  101. TyRade says:

    Can’t we send these peoplex to a country that has more than binary personal pronouns so they’ll be happy? Eg, the home of sexual tolerance Iran….from Wikipedia “Persian is commonly considered a genderless language, but can be considered to have a pronominal gender system with common and neuter genders represented in the pronouns. For both males and females, the same nouns, pronouns, and adjectives are used. For example, u (او) is used for both “he” and “she” (common gender).”

  102. Languages that contain only “he” and “she” pronouns pose problems for communicating about gender identity. Here’s how some language teachers are helping.

    Finnish only has one, hän, for both sexes. Unless you count se for inanimates. I heard young Finns using se for people back in the ’80s, but that might have been a fad, or just slang. (Over to you, Lagertha…)

    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
  103. @Hypnotoad666

    That’s an interesting theory, but wouldn’t the Norsemen have been speaking a language that was also gendered?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  104. @bgates

    If I talk to you and your friends, Bill, should I use “youse guys” or “y’all”? The first is a little too Joe Pescieist. We really do need a 2nd person plural though. Why can’t these Full Professors work on that one?

  105. @Anonymous

    there’s really no good reason to conjugate verbs by person–I’ve heard that Chinese doesn’t bother.

    Ebonics takes this approach: He be, You be, Dey Be, We Be…

    Not having to conjugate leaves more cognitive resources for aspiring to various activities.

  106. @Anonymous

    The most important year for the English language development is 1066. No way going back … Without Normans, English would be something like Danish.

  107. Molly Lipson is a writer and social justice advocate based in Britain. She is working on her first book, about dismantling harmful socioeconomic systems and envisioning a different world.

    All I can say is:

  108. Reason number 239321 for why the American Empire can’t fall soon enough.

    I’m sorry for the well-meaning traditionalist Americans (and Anglos more generally) but THIS is the face of your culture and influence in the rest of the world.
    A constant stream of disgusting “LGBTQII+” and black-worshipping ideas flowing all around the world, defiling and ruining everything it touches.
    There is unfortunately no way to ever salvage even a semblance of a sane society without the complete collapse of the place where all of this originates.

    And yes, just to clarify, at this point I would far prefer a global hegemony of the CPC to the globohomo empire.

  109. sb says:

    Funny how for so many topics the NYT will use Israel as the go to comparison country .

    Wouldn’t most Americans think an Anglosphere country -like say Canada – might be a tad more appropriate ?
    But I guess just saying this would be called anti Semitic

  110. theMann says:

    So, Russian……

    Make, female, neuter, the gender indicated by the ending, consonant, vowel other than o, vowel ending o. (Somewhat simplified). Oh, but here is the kick, Russian is a case declined language ( as are a lot of indo-European languages) and the entire grammar of case declension maintains the gender. You can’t change it and still be speaking the language. They even show gender in past tense verbs- уо читал, ну она читала for instance.

    Insane people speak gibberish

  111. slumber_j says:
    @Paul Mendez

    I’m well aware of the usage you indicate. Unsurprisingly.

    But if “they” were being used as a singular in the case you adduce, one would say “they is”, which one does not. One instead says e.g., “If anyone needs to use the bathroom, they’re allowed to do so in the ten minutes before lunch.” Grammatically speaking, in that sentence “anyone” is singular, while “they” is plural as ever.

  112. Mx. Moffa

    “Mx.” is pronounced “Mixter”, although it may be impossible to do so without laughing. In modern times, this would be a career-limiting move akin to laughing at the name “Biggus Dickus” in front of Pontius Pilate.

  113. Ganderson says:
    @dearieme

    My favorite counter example is “das Mädchen“.

    The Germanic Scandinavian languages have ‘en’ words and ‘ett’ words (dunno about Icelandic and Faeroese- anyone? Bueller?). I first learned Swedish back in the 70s. Anyone know if nouns used to be called masculine or feminine?

    I’m told that some woke Swedes use ‘hen’ instead of ‘han’ or ‘hon’ (he or she). Can anyone confirm?

  114. Ganderson says:
    @RhymesWithOpt

    Rhymes- What do you think the long term prognosis for the survival of such languages is?

    My Swedish cousin works for BASF- I asked him if he spoke German- he told me no, because all their big meetings were conducted in Englis. German has what, 80 million native speakers? Is it on the road to extinction?

    It would be sad if these languages went the way of the dodo.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  115. Ganderson says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    Most pupils who’ve taken four years of a language in high school can’t say much more than “The pencils are on the desk”, or “Can you direct me to the railway station? “.

    I’d say that applies to most people who take a language in college, too. I was lucky, I guess; my HS German teacher was pretty good, and my Swedish teachers in college were outstanding.

    One of the many irritating things about Barry-O was his hectoring the American people about not knowing languages, when he himself couldn’t speak one.

    How many languages did John Adams speak?

  116. Escher says:
    @New Dealer

    Isn’t “me” exclusionary of others?

  117. based in a city with a major air hub, where they have a flat where they keep their clean clothes before jetting off yet again

    That is their aspiration rather than their reality, it sounds so much better than “lives in a bedsit in Balham”.

  118. “Writers, teachers, and social justice advocates who referred to themselves as ‘based in’ someplace are seldom based.”

    The article suggests that the phrase “rootless cosmopolites”, a characteristic which used to be attributed mainly to secular Jews, seems flexible enough to encompass the kinds of people referred to above regardless of ethnicity.

  119. LondonBob says:
    @Jack D

    Rabbi Janner-Klausner is daughter of the paedophile Greville Janner. Only outed after he died, several opportunities to prosecute home were ‘missed’ during his life.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8848371/Lord-Janner-inqury-Police-CPS-missed-three-chances-trial-child-sex-claims.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
  120. Bill says:

    Writers, teachers, and social justice advocates who referred to themselves as “based in” someplace are seldom based. It’s an exemplification of David Goodhart’s point that there are two types of people: somewheres and anywheres. The idea behind being “based in” is that they don’t want to admit to actually seeing someplace as home, instead they are just at the moment temporarily based in a city with a major air hub, where they have a flat where they keep their clean clothes before jetting off yet again.

    So, we have a problem with rootless cosmopolitans?

  121. j mct says:
    @Anonymous

    The gender for objects was the opening for the whole non binary thing since it is so obviously not correlated with sex. Per the gender theorist types he/she in english is just as arbitrarily not rooted in reality as le/la for jour/maison in french, which is why they use the word ‘gender’ which is a grammatical category, rather than ‘sex’, which is biological. Such people probably would have made up some other way to get to where they are now, but that’s how they got started.

  122. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Yeah. Ulpan was SO unsuccessful. I mean they only took in several million immigrants, when their population was smaller than the immigrant pool, taught them Hebrew and have a fully functioning Hebrew speaking society. They need a Woke freak to fix things.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  123. Jack D says:
    @Rob

    The two main groups of languages that are gendered are the Indo-European and the Hamito-Semitic (aka Afroasiatic) which includes not only Hebrew but Arabic, Coptic, Amharic, etc. Most other languages are lacking in gender.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  124. Jack D says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    There’s even an old one liner joke like this : “Please allow me to introduce you to my first wife” (when you have only been married once and are still married to that person).

    • Replies: @Rob
  125. Alden says:
    @Haruto Rat

    Mustache and beard are feminine in French. My teachers told us to memorize the article along with the noun from the very first. Then the adjectives are easy. Along with critical race theory every Romance language class will begin with a dissertation about evil cis gendered articles and pronouns. It will go on for weeks. Meanwhile the students won’t be learning anything.

    Same with math. Created by evil kinda sorta White men to oppress women minorities and perverts. A direct contradiction to the previous academic claim that math was created by black African ancient Greeks Sumerians Egyptians and Arabs.

  126. Funny that no one has mentioned the irony that Hungarian, the language of progressives’ bete-noire Orbán, has no grammatical gender and just one pronoun “ö” has to cover he/she/it. Hungarian is apparently a woke language, so is Turkish for that matter.

  127. @Alfa158

    Not really. Crayola is not replying to Titania McGrath. Crayola is replying to a woman (her twitter handle is visible if you pay attention, though not her real name, which was cropped out from Titania’s print) who seems to be black, and from the looks of it was infuriated that they were using the word “negro”. To see what I am talking about you must first open Titania’s tweet, and then click on the embedded print to view it in its entirety.

  128. @al gore rhythms

    That’s an interesting theory, but wouldn’t the Norsemen have been speaking a language that was also gendered?

    I guess when they were converting to a new language they thought: “Hey, why were we ever trying to figure out if inanimate objects were male or female anyway? Let’s not recreate that business.”

  129. Jack D says:
    @LondonBob

    The criminal proceedings brought against Janner were halted by his dementia and death so he was never convicted. The civil claims made against his estate were all dropped with Janner’s family calling the claimants “false accusers” afraid of cross-examination.

    Carl Beech, whose accusations had led to the police investigation, was convicted for false accusation of Janner and jailed for 18 years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/22/carl-beech-vip-paedophile-ring-claims-guilty

    Beech also falsely accused Jimmy Saville and received a payout. But OTOH, Saville is widely believed to have actually been a pedophile.

    In cases such as this, it’s hard to distinguish between innocent men against whom the accusations are completely false (remember the nursery school Satanists?) and cases where the men really are abusers but then numerous additional false claimants come out of the woodwork, attracted by the smell of money. I honestly don’t know enough about the case to say where Janner falls, but you can’t take the accusations at face value either.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  130. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    You could say the same thing about the US public school system, which was generally successful, at least when most of the students were white. Even so, there were certain people who didn’t want to send their kids to public school or didn’t like the pedological methods used – one size does not fit all.

    I don’t think anyone should be forced to sign up for Tinau (I don’t think many will). Most immigrants end up in an Ulpan because its free and they can’t afford private instruction. But if learning non-gendered Hebrew is your cup of tea, then go for it. People will look at you strangely – not only is your gringo inflected Hebrew accent terrible but you are messing up your grammar too. But chances are you already have green hair and are used to people looking at you strangely – in fact you LIKE the attention that being weird attracts (because you are not attractive otherwise). If that’s how you want to learn Hebrew, it’s your option I guess.

  131. Rob says:
    @Jack D

    According to friends of Bill, divorcing someone and remarrying the same someone is a sure sign of alcoholism.

    So, their joke can be “I’m here with my first wife and my second.”

    “And I’m an alcoholic.”

    A horse walks into a bar.
    The bartender says, “why the long face?”
    The horse says, “I have cancer.”

    A joke for the Norm MacDonald thread, but I just remembered it. Norm was no horse, he didn’t tell us.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  132. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ganderson

    German will go extinct because they have no children. How does the joke go? In 100 years, German will only be spoken in Hell.

  133. @Fox

    Imagine Bush junior speaking Latin….

    I’d settle for W speaking proper English.

  134. Jack D says:
    @International Jew

    In other words, explicit acceptance that it’s a man’s world.

    Bzzt, wrong. That’s just the feminist interpretation. “Man” was just another word for humans or people. It didn’t imply males as opposed to females in most contexts, it was just a collective noun because it’s really awkward to say ” a man or woman or genderqueer wishing to succeed in his or her or xer business”. (It’s a man’s world was an exception – in that case it real does mean males). “The men who settled the frontier” didn’t mean that the frontier was a boys only club. In all those pioneer movies, there were men, woman and children riding in the Conestoga wagons. It wasn’t the Little Bathhouse on the Prairie.

    If you look at Rivera’s famous destroyed Rockefeller Center mural, Man at the Crossroads, there are a bunch of women (or at least cross-dressers) in the picture as well:

  135. Yngvar says:

    Dimitri From Paris – Sacré Français!

  136. D. K. says:
    @Rob

    Actress Brenda Scott married and divorced actor Andrew Prine three times, before she finally gave up and married someone else.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0778906/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0697785/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

  137. S Johnson says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Calvin Coolidge apparently translated Dante as a hobby, which seems incredible to me, but then the 1920s were a different time.

  138. LondonBob says:
    @Jack D

    No doubts with Janner that he was paedophile, despite the campaign his family runs to ‘clear’ his name.

  139. @Jack D

    Hebrew is actually quite the gender-bending language in that masculine nouns become feminine in the plural: gever ehad, shlosha gvarim. And vice versa: para ahat, shalosh parot.

  140. @Reg Cæsar

    Hän mostly exists in literary Finnish. The pronoun for a third entity, whether person, animal or inanimate object, is se in most dialects.
    I certainly call everyone it ( se ), since I am of, erm, shall we say, of rural background.

  141. The edit function seems to have disappeared.

  142. @Alden

    Wild perversions of Lutheran clergy cause considerable distress in lands where a Lutheran church sits in the centre of every town and village.

  143. Tom Grey says: • Website

    There really are 4 genders now. But “trans man” can be either MtF or FtM, so my kids and I are mostly calling those kind, “MtF” or “FtM”.
    The MtF xy people, now in the thousands? (how many are there, really?), are not real woman, never having most “female” problems. But they’re no longer men (if they’ve gotten the operations).

    They MtFs.

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