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There’s been a frontlash by responsible authorities in England after the failure of their hopes to call for more immigration based on England’s heavily black soccer team winning the big game:

FA condemns racist abuse of England players on social media after Euro final
Metropolitan Police open investigation into abusive comments

Niall McVeigh
@niallmcveigh
Sun 11 Jul 2021 20.56 EDT

The Football Association has issued a statement condemning racist abuse on social media directed at a number of England players after their defeat to Italy in the Euro 2020 final. The Metropolitan police have also opened an investigation into the abuse.

“The FA strongly condemns all forms of discrimination and is appalled by the online racism that has been aimed at some of our England players on social media,” the statement said early on Monday morning.

“We could not be clearer that anyone behind such disgusting behaviour is not welcome in following the team. We will do all we can to support the players affected while urging the toughest punishments possible for anyone responsible.”

A Metropolitan police tweet said: “We are aware of a number of offensive and racist social media comments being directed towards footballers following the #Euro2020 final. This abuse is totally unacceptable, it will not be tolerated and it will be investigated.”

England lost 3-2 on penalties after a 1-1 draw at Wembley. Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho and Bukayo Saka failed to score their spot-kicks in the shootout and all three players have been targeted by racist abuse. … The FA statement said it would “continue to do everything we can to stamp discrimination out of the game, but we implore government to act quickly and bring in the appropriate legislation so this abuse has real life consequences.

“Social media companies need to step up and take accountability and action to ban abusers from their platforms, gather evidence that can lead to prosecution and support making their platforms free from this type of abhorrent abuse.”

A number of high-profile Twitter users gave the players their support after the game, while Instagram has been flooded with positive comments in an effort to drown out the racist abuse. “All the boys who put themselves forward to take a pen we are proud of you – takes a form of bravery to step up in such pressurised situations. @BukayoSaka87 @Sanchooo10 @MarcusRashford we salute you boys,” wrote the former England international Rio Ferdinand.

“The racist abuse I’ve seen targeted at these incredibly talented young players who helped take us to our first major tournament final in 55 years has been vile and disgusting,” wrote Magid Magid, the former lord mayor of Sheffield. “England wouldn’t have achieved what it did without them. They deserve all our love and support!”

In this universe: “England Needs More Diversity and Immigration to Crush Racism Revealed in Loss to Italy.”

Apparently, in the big European soccer championship game today, the score was tied 1-1 so each team picked 5 players to take penalty kicks from 12 meters against the goalie. The Italian coach picked five white guys and they made 3 out of 5. The English coach first sent out two white guys who both scored.

Then he took out two whites and sent in blacks cold off the bench. They both failed.

Then he had a teenage black try to tie the game up with England’s final kick and he failed too.

Obviously, a small sample size, but if the English coach’s strategy succeeded it would have been trumpeted as proof of the racial superiority of blacks and the need for England to import lots more blacks.

Because it failed and many English fans noticed it failed, it’s being megaphoned as proof that England needs even more black immigration to overwhelm those evil white racists who noticed.

Heads Diversity wins, tails you racists lose.

Imagine the op-eds if the coach had taken out two black starters to put in two white benchwarmers to take the key tiebreaker shots … and they missed.

 
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  1. Anon[362] • Disclaimer says:

    In diversity news closer to home and at a city that was the flashpoint for the recent racial awakening, Charlottesville Va, near me, carted off three statues from the confines of their city.
    Lee and Jackson of course went… but so did
    Lewis and Clark.
    Yup Lewis and Clark went too… the statue had Sacagaewa at the feet of the two white boys… I guess that’s what did it in… or it represents the white patriarchy stealing the land from its rightful owners.

    That stupid city and its stupid university will likely be carting off Tom Jefferson’s likenesses soon…

    Happy America.

  2. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:

  3. Anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Speaking of blacks and competition, smart little black girl from Louisiana took home the national spelling bee trophy. And she’s a black American not an international black. She doesn’t look like she’s all that mixed either. However when I looked up her parents, her fathers name is Jawara Spacetime! Jawara seems African. So she may end up being only half ADOS.

  4. Graceless, joyless losers. In the whole, beautiful experience, enjoyed by hundreds of millions of people, they can’t help but focus on a handful of comments by a handful of people.

    Sincere selective bias is the mark of the uninspired bore.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @John Henry
    , @3g4me
  5. Anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Speaking of blacks and competition, smart little black girl from Louisiana took home the national spelling bee trophy. And she’s a black American not an international black. She doesn’t look like she’s all that mixed either. I looked up her parents and her fathers name is Jawara Spacetime?! Jawara sounds African so in the end she’s probably only half ADOS.

  6. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:

    London Mayor Sadiq Khan: “The England Team Would Not Exist Without Immigration.”

  7. Avery says:

    England’s woke winning strategy clearly was stupid. And don’t know how good those 3 black players were. But arguably THE greatest football/soccer player of all time, in his time, was Pele.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  8. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:

    The Italian coach picked five white guys and they made 3 out of 5. The English coach first sent out two white guys who both scored.

    The white goalkeeper for England, Pickford, made an absolutely brilliant save of one of Italy’s shootout shots.

  9. 12 meters against the goalie

    Soccer still uses yards, so it’s 12 yards.

    While the three black Englishmen were indeed born in England, their ancestry is from St. Kitts, Trinidad, and Nigeria.

  10. Jiminy says:

    More to the point, how can you have a game that has a scoring system that seems to promote a lot of draws. Why not have an extra point for a long range goal like in basketball. For a game that’s not as violent as rugby union or league, it certainly attracted a bad crowd until the heavy crackdowns.
    But I’m sure that a lot of that frustration was because of so many drawn games. Why play soccer for 90 minutes if the decision comes down to who kicks more successful penalty shots. Maybe it’s time to bring the game into the 21 st century with a new scoring system.

  11. This is why whites cannot be trusted with ANYTHING or to act right

    Imagine the cowardice to use slurs against young men

    Thankfully England will be majority Of Color in the near future and the racists can be dealt with

    • Troll: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  12. In more important sports news, European man beats European man to win Wimbledon today. It was a good match to watch, an Italian challenger making a Serbian champion earn his 20th major, tying the record. Compared to this, the “football,” with its penalty kicks and endless running around, is garbage.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Spect3r, Redman
    • Thanks: Desiderius
  13. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @ScarletNumber

  14. Mike Tre says:

    England needed Meghan Markle as their goalie. She’s good at catching balls with her face.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  15. It’s the new woke math.

    1) 2 > 3

    2) A miss by a black negro is better than a score by a white.

  16. Sweet win. English football fans are the worst. They violently attacked Italian fans coming out of Wembley.

    • Agree: Spect3r
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Forbes
  17. Sorry, but this has got to be the stupidest way to conclude a game. It’s incredible that FIFA can’t find a way to fix this.

    Imagine game 7 of the NBA finals tied at the end of regulation and then the teams go to a free throw shooting contest to decide the result.

  18. @NJ Transit Commuter

    It’s actually the most exciting part of a soccer match.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  19. Heads Diversity wins, tails racism loses.

    When you put it like that, you’re sort of giving away the game.

  20. Ausonius says:

    Rome in jubilation, beamed live to me just now from a Egyptian friend and resident who is not White or European or even Christian – but who is very very Italian. Congratulazioni a tutti.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  21. Whiskey says: • Website

    Well, the media and authorities can demand whatever they want. Joe Average over there figures that not only are vibrants well, violent and dangerous, they choke constanly in big games.

    Winning matters. So does losing. Everyone in England saw blacks choke and lose. To Whites who did neither. That matters. It cannot be unseen.

    • Agree: Lurker
  22. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    >”European”

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Anonymous
  23. Bill P says:

    You know, I was thinking about how much America has been losing since 2001, and I realized that our losses have all been orchestrated by woke Americans like Bush II, Obama, Hillary, Susan Rice, etc. Think about it. We lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Iran, Yemen, Germany (economically) and probably the next shoe to drop will be Taiwan or something abjectly humiliating like that.

    But with every failure the woke seem to grow stronger domestically. It’s really crazy, to be honest.

    This England vs. Italy match displays this in sharp relief: E.ngland lost, stupidly, but the regime is turning the loss into a “win” against its team’s supporters. These guys screwed a penalty kick three times in a row, but somehow the fans’ anger turns them into much beloved champions. This is like kindergarten schoolmarm stuff, and it is the main moral authority in England.

    All I can say is that we’d all better get used to losing, harder and harder, until this runs it’s course.

  24. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Low scoring games not only make defence almost as glamorous as attack, but also make goals much more delicious. The problem, though, is that they can be difficult to get a definitive result from. Penalties temporarily turn football into a high scoring game in order overcome that problem. I don’t think there is another way.

  25. Ralph L says:

    A moment of immense pressure, so send out your least experienced player?

    How would they have decided the game if he had scored? Another 5 players?

  26. L. Guapo says:

    hey sorry for the O.T. but what happened to Audacious E.?

  27. I haven’t followed soccer or any professional sports in a long time. But surely there are stats about the English players’ PK conversion rate. To the extent I cared, I kind of wanted England to win, but now this is just perfect. I believe Gareth Southgate was big into the BLM kneeling this year. Double bonus!

    • Agree: Calvin Hobbes
  28. anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

  29. @NJ Transit Commuter

    They didn’t go straight to penalty kicks after regulation; they had two 15 minute extra time periods, each with a couple of minutes of stoppage time added on.

    And penalty kicks are a lot more exciting than free throws, particularly this shootout, which featured four saves and one shot off a post.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  30. anon[144] • Disclaimer says:

    I tried to find a roster of team Italy. Might have found a current roster, but with all the references to 2020 it is confusing.

    The names appear to be Italian – so are they all ethnically and genetically Italian?

    Perhaps unity is their strength?

  31. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    The England manager has something of a reputation around penalty kicks:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Southgate#International_career

    England reached the semi-final of UEFA Euro 1996, in which they faced Germany. The match was determined in a penalty shoot-out; Southgate’s penalty was saved … Southgate managed to make light of his blunder later that year by appearing in an advert for Pizza Hut, also featuring Stuart Pearce and Chris Waddle, who had missed crucial penalties at the 1990 FIFA World Cup.

    Surely very aware of the pressure he was putting on the black teenager…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @prime noticer
  32. @ScarletNumber

    Soccer still uses yards, so it’s 12 yards.

    Interestingly, while the distance to the penalty spot is fixed at 12 yards, the size of the field can be anywhere from fifty to a hundred yards wide, and a hundred to a hundred thirty yards long. It is possible to have a square soccer field and still be within regulations. I think the fields for international matches are more standardized, though still somewhat variable in size.

  33. Unironically couldn’t have ended any better. Well done lads.

    • Agree: Bernie, Lurker
    • Thanks: Charon, Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  34. @Triteleia Laxa

    Once regulation time is over, pull one player from each team every 15 minutes of play. Play the first two periods until they are done, just like now, and if the score is tired after that go to sudden death. Gradually reducing players will eventually tip things in favor of the offense.

  35. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Sweet win. English football fans are the worst. They violently attacked Italian fans coming out of Wembley.

    No they didn’t.

    • Replies: @Bill P
  36. @NJ Transit Commuter

    How do they resolve a tie in inferior American sports?

    • Replies: @anon
  37. @Ralph L

    If they’re still tied after the penalty shootout, they go into a sudden-death penalty shootout

  38. @L. Guapo

    He quit. Presumably he finally realised that polls are fake and his entire raison d’etre as a writer went up in flames

    • Agree: West reanimator, 3g4me
    • LOL: Charon
  39. @Jiminy

    Americans love to offer the world’s most popular sport ideas for rules changes to make it more popular.

  40. @NJ Transit Commuter

    The fact that you all have to discuss such “solutions” is proof that the game itself sucks.

    Something needs to be done to make actual goals happen more often, during the game, or “football” will continue to be garbage.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Bill
  41. @Anonymous

    Show me a map of Europe that does not include Italy and Serbia.

    I even debated within myself whether or not to say “White” instead of European, and you know what, either is true in this case and across Europe.

    The more you divide us, the more you weaken us. Your comment is ignorant and divisive.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  42. @anon

    With the exception of one or two players in the squad, Italy were one of the most native teams in the competition. Perhaps one might quibble with Jorginho being categorised as Italian. This was in stark contrast to England and worst of all, France.

    The Italian coach did a great job after the catastrophe of 2018 when Italy failed to qualify for the World Cup. He brought in some talented youngsters and combined them with the strength and experience of Bonucci and Chiellini. Italy also played an uncharacteristically attacking style but retained their typical composure.

    England played better than usual but their coach stacked the defence from about the 20th minute after their first goal. This is embarrassing when playing at home. Then he made the grave mistake of giving a vital penalty to an 18 year old.

    Football is the opposite of the usual dunderhead HBD banter on this site. Italians are tactical, composed, steely and intelligent. The English are clumsy, dumb and panic.

    • Agree: Cortes, utu
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    , @Anonymous
  43. Mike Tre says:
    @Ron Mexico

    LOL – and that’s not a good thing.

    It might be even more exciting if they just flipped a coin to see who wins.

  44. @Steve Sailer

    Most of us simply ignore it.

    • Agree: Wade Hampton
  45. Mike Tre says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    How about add one player every 2 minutes, and hand them a machete as they take the field?

  46. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Surely very aware of the pressure he was putting on the black teenager…

    Oh stop making excuses. England’s 18-year-old (white) Michael Owen didn’t choke during shootout penalties on an even bigger stage—England’s epic 1998 World Cup semifinal match against Argentina.

    While, come to think of it, the older (black) England player, Paul Ince, did.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  47. dfordoom says: • Website
    @L. Guapo

    hey sorry for the O.T. but what happened to Audacious E.?

    He’s departed but his UR blog lives on, sort of. It’s in the Archived Blogs section on the UR main page.

  48. @Bill P

    Bush wasn’t Woke.

    You’re rewriting history.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    , @Desiderius
    , @Clyde
  49. Nachum says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “Fifty million Frenchmen *have* been wrong- at least twice.”

  50. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, it’s not as bad as free throws, but it’s still ridiculous that major games get decided with penalty kicks.

    It’s fine if regular season games conclude as ties or with penalty kicks, but major championships shouldn’t be decided by penalty kicks.

    After the 2 15 minute extra time periods, they should just do sudden death or something. The game itself isn’t that long with regular time 90 minutes with a few extra penalty time minutes added. And the 90 minutes plus a 30 minute overtime is still just 2 hours, so shorter than football and baseball games, to say nothing of tennis and cricket matches that can go on forever. They should just do sudden death afterwards.

  51. @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s more than a handful. And the coach’s decision (or more likely a decision handed down from higher up) was in fact indefensible.

    People in charge still thinking of blacks as poor widdle helpless frens that need everyone to give them a hand up but:

    (a) that’s not what that moment was for, even were it true

    (b) it’s not even close to true. An observer from Mars would think that whites are the ones on the run and probably be right. TPTB are off every last one of their meds.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  52. Nachum says:
    @Jiminy

    “Rugby is a ruffian’s sport played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman’s sport played by ruffians.”

    • Agree: Spect3r
  53. anon[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Sorry, but this has got to be the stupidest way to conclude a game.

    I’ve played finals soccer games with the penalty shootout and it’s the perfect way to sort the problem.
    Dont ask why, it just is.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    , @VivaLaMigra
  54. Alfa158 says:

    When I was a kid my Dad took me to a soccer game between two teams in the local Italian immigrants amateur league. 0-0 after both overtimes. I had pretty much assimilated to our new country and was bored out of my little curly-headed skull and wishing Dad had taken me to a Tigers game instead.

  55. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    It’s more than a handful. And the coach’s decision (or more likely a decision handed down from higher up) was in fact indefensible.

    You are wrong. On an even bigger stage—the 1998 World Cup semi-final against Argentina—England sent 18-year-old Michael Owen to kick third. He did not miss.

    The decision today was very defensible, unless you have some kind of problem with England sending a black to kick.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  56. @PiltdownMan

    Yes, all of the field markings are standardized, but FIFA allows a great deal of latitude with the size of the field per se. For international matches they are more strict, allowing a width of 70-82 yards and a length of 110-120 yards, with 75 by 115 being optimal. The lower width of 70 was an accommodation for Giants Stadium for the 1994 World Cup. For 2026, MetLife Stadium can accommodate the full recommended width of 75 yards, so the finals will be held here, unlike last time, when they were at the Rose Bowl.

    Recall that an American football field is only 53⅓ yards wide.

    • Thanks: PiltdownMan
  57. Ralph L says:

    The coach will probably choose a charge of wokeness over being paid to lose–or stupidity.

    Some Brits are calling for prosecution of the alleged SM racists. They’ll play it like Jan 6 in their media.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  58. @Anon

    Sterling is even worse, as he was born in Jamaica.

  59. Roger says:

    Since they were playing for the pride of England, they should have used English kickers. I doubt that there was much reason to believe that the Black players would do better.

  60. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    So was England’s play here like a reverse Scottie Pippen/Phil Jackson situation? I would assume not, it’s probably lucky to get 3 out of 5, when the kick must be more difficult than hockey (players attempting the penalty shot succeeding about 30% of the time). The Anglo goalkeeper is “ rather small for a modern goalie at 1.85m” (-Theguardian.com yesterday)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  61. it’s funny seeing the Americans come here talking about how boring it is, after all the discussion about Baseball here lately – the world’s real most boring sport (hold on – I forgot about golf).

    That said, I didn’t watch a minute of it, I’m glad Italy won, and we’re spared the die-versity propaganda that would have flowed (and probably been quite effective) from the opposite result. The specifics of how how it ended makes it even funnier, and given their kneeling at every game (and statements that ‘it’s not political’) it’d have been doubly worse for them to actually go and win something under the circumstances.

    The BBC had a video vignette on ‘England fans on diversity’, with some black guy saying ”I feel like it’s me when I see them out there”. Would they run a story with some white guy saying ‘I no longer feel like it’s me when I see them out there’…?

    • Agree: 3g4me, Right_On
  62. It’s interesting that White fans racially abusing sports ballers is still a thing in Europe.

    In America, you can’t imagine Whites behaving that way. Even back decades ago, it was considered in super bad taste to racially abuse any athlete.

    Can anyone think of a single incident in American history in which White fans racially abused Non-White players?

  63. @Steve Sailer

    “Americans love to offer the world’s most popular sport ideas for rules changes to make it more popular.”

    American opinions are added diversity that will make it stronger. Like we help everyone with democracy and stuff.

    • LOL: Spect3r
  64. Bill P says:
    @Anon

    I watched the Heysel stadium massacre live when I was ten years old. I was living in Brittany at the time and I was home from school with a cold, so I was just hanging out and watching TV. I didn’t understand exactly what was going on (I didn’t know people were dying), but I clearly remember a shot of a heavy Italian guy pushed up against a concrete barrier by a throng of people. He was stuck and waving his arms for help. The Italians were packed together into a big pile that looked very uncomfortable (again, I didn’t realize at the time that they were suffocating).

    English fans can be utterly relentless. But that being the case, some rough language is hardly worth the attention it’s getting. It isn’t as though the black players got attacked by a mob, or shot like that Colombian player some years back. They just got insulted. Hell, I get insulted plenty and I’m not getting paid nearly as much for my poor hurt feelings. Steve probably gets insulted even more. What’s with these Africans? Are they made of glass?

  65. both the Wimbledon Final and the Euro 2020 championship game happened in London on the same day today. i wonder if anybody went to both events.

    advanced achievement: attend UFC 264, Wimbledon Final, and Euro 2020 championship game. for Irish millionaires only.

  66. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I’m going to go with the father, Mr. Spacetime, being homegrown, since giving your kid the goofy bonus name “Avant-gard” is pretty much the most ADOS thing ever (even if he claims it’s a Coltrane reference).

    Pops also claims he got the idea to enter her by channel-surfing and seeing a spelling bee show, which no Type-A Triple Package immigrant would publicly admit.

  67. @Anonymous

    The problem with using penalty kicks as the tie-breaker is that it’s bigger news when the kicker misses than when he makes it. It would be like the NFL having a tie-breaker of field goal-kicking. In the rest of soccer, scoring is a very big deal.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Sam
  68. Whiskey says: • Website

    Somewhat related, it looks like we will be Occupying Haiti again, after the murder of their President. The Biden Regency has sent troops, and will send more, to guard various infrastructure points as armed gangs are looting and burning.

    This will be interesting. The Haitian Gangs are now at Cartel levels of self-control, no longer just armed wings of political parties and various big shots. They will almost certainly fight with constantly the US Occupiers. [It certainly looks like a CIA operation arranged the assasination of the Haitian President, complete with CIA directed ex Columbian Military heads who when they were not “false positive” people* were guarding Obama or Biden during visits]

    And that’s going to be very, very interesting. Lots and lots of White soldiers and Marines fighting black dudes while Lloyd Austin, Gen Woke Milley Cyrus, and the Biden Regency tell them they should bow down and worship black dudes.

    We’ve been at war for twenty years. We lost. No one in the General Staff commands respect much less admiration. The military is depending on the dudes they are calling racist and genetically evil. Sending them to fight black dudes and inevitably brutally punishing them later for fighting them as ordered.

    *False positive is the practice of the Columbian anti-terrorist squad of luring civilians in, massacring them, dressing them up in guerilla clothes, and claiming the bonus money paid out by the Colombian and US military. As fighting and killing actual real guerillas is dangerous. As opposed to massacring civilians which is not.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Alden
    , @anon
  69. Bill P says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Oh yes he was. His justice department was harder on dissident whites than Obama’s and he threw our southern border wide open. I hate to say it, but Barack Obama was, practically speaking, more racially moderate than Bush Jr. in many regards. But Obama was much more pro gay — I’ll give you that.

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    , @JohnnyWalker123
  70. @JohnnyWalker123

    They got to him like they get to every man in power – through his wife (and daughters). She was embarrassed by the Katrina coverage and the rest is history.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  71. @Anonymous

    “The England Team would not exist without immigration”.

    Sure it would … it would just be composed of Englishmen.

    • Agree: Batman
    • Thanks: Charon
  72. i don’t know whether Southgate picked those guys because he thought they would be good at taking penalty kicks, or specifically because they were africans, but you seriously have to consider that it might have been because they were africans and he wanted their faces on television for the next 50 years, being shown taking the winning penalty kicks.

    that’s not beyond consideration at all, as those guys were cold, and inexperienced, and probably not the kind of players other coaches would deliberately send out there during a maximum pressure situation. whereas the pressure on people to promote a multi-cultural England is crushing. in my opinion, the German national team was doing the same thing for the last 10 years. the coach was deliberately mixing up the players so people would see the “New Germans” on television.

    i saw on another other site that some guy calculated penalty kicks and african players were only converting at like 35% and other players were at like 75%. not sure what the data set was though.

    by the numbers England has not been good in penalty shootouts in general, and Italy is above .500. interesting how those things just keep carrying forward, decade after decade, as if there was actually something to it, a matter of national character, and it wasn’t simply the case of random results over time.

  73. @Anonymous

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EiE7eLWI_M
    Gareth Southgate missing his penalty kick against Germany in 1996, losing the game for England and sending Germany to the final, where they won.

    hard to imagine Southgate didn’t know what he was sending a 19 year old kid to go do.

  74. • Agree: Old Prude
  75. In this dreary age of woke totalitarianism, I’ll take any ray of sunshine I can get. I am delighted to see that a woke institution fell flat in its face.

    • Agree: Kylie
  76. @Jiminy

    Football violence has nothing to do with drawn games. If it was, then I’d hate to see the violence after cricket matches, which often end in draws after five days.

  77. @Anonymous

    It’s not fully an English team, actually, since a number of players are not authentically English.

    • Replies: @Kylie
  78. @Bill P

    This England vs. Italy match displays this in sharp relief: E.ngland lost, stupidly, but the regime is turning the loss into a “win” against its team’s supporters. These guys screwed a penalty kick three times in a row, but somehow the fans’ anger turns them into much beloved champions.

    I first saw this–big scale–with the AIDS nonsense.

    Homosexuals generated an epidemic with their promiscuous bathhouse sex, which–minoritarianism!–made them saintly “oppressed” victims. (Oppressed by people who thought they engaged in unnatural acts and spread disease.) From there in a few years we were hearing about this laughable homosexual marriage.

    Rushing to the aid of your crying child is a virtuous feminine nurturing trait. But the nurturing impulse–beyond wanting to nurture/improve your nation–is ill suited to politics.

    And victims are not virtuous. They are just victims. Virtue is an independent variable. Often times they people are “victims” because they are screwups or troublemakers or assholes come from groups of people that are.

  79. @Anonymous

    The 30 minutes of extra time was effectively sudden death, and you are comparing game/action time to elapsed time: apples versus oranges. An American football game has 60 minutes of game time in regulation, and a basketball game has 48. On top of that, soccer has the fewest allowed substitutions of either game, so most players on would have been on the field for the full 120 minutes (more like 130 minutes, including stoppage time).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  80. @Anon

    “stealing the land from its rightful owners”

    How do we know who the rightful “owners” were or are? How could we know if the natives that were already there didn’t actually “steal” it from another tribe?

    I think I read on this site the claim that Custer died on land that the tribe who killed him “stole” from a different tribe.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    , @OilcanFloyd
  81. @Steve Sailer

    On the other hand, the penalty shootout gives the goalies a chance to shine. They’re expected to give up about 4 out of 5 penalties, so if they stop more than 1 in 5, they’re heroes.

  82. @Anonymous

    “London Mayor Sadiq Khan: “The England Team Would Not Exist Without Immigration.””

    That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  83. England loses soccer game, blacks hit hardest.

  84. Daniel H says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Why not just remove 1 defender for first overtime period. 2nd defender for 2nd overtime period. There is now way that there will not be a score with 2 defenders removed. With my suggestion at least the semblance of the game is preserved.

  85. @Jiminy

    Why play soccer for 90 minutes if the decision comes down to who kicks more successful penalty shots.

    Penalty shots only come into play in tournaments when the teams are tied after extra time (i.e., overtime).

    In the last Premier League season, out of 38 games played by the champions, only 5 were draws and none went to penalties.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  86. Ralph L says:
    @anon

    I’ve played finals soccer games with the penalty shootout and it’s the perfect way to sort the problem.
    Dont ask why, it just is.

    It wakes up the spectators, requires only 12 players, and the others can nap.

  87. @Desiderius

    They got to him like they get to every man in power – through his wife (and daughters). She was embarrassed by the Katrina coverage and the rest is history.

    Sure, the wife and daughters no doubt pushing the wrong direction. Weak men always have issues in that department.

    But Bush was a Christian do-gooder, love-the-blacks, love-the-Mexicans cuck all on his own. His dad was a collapsing WASP ruling class type, who had a Mexican maid helping raise his kids, and Shrub threw weepy give-me-a-hug style Christianity on top of all that.

    (In contrast to Bush’s upbringing and lineage, Laura Welch seems like a pretty normal midwestern (Texas Division) girl. Women are on average poor at understanding the necessary discipline of civilization. But she didn’t make W the pathetic traitorous worm he is.)

    • Agree: Charon
  88. Anonymous[707] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I know that the game/action time and elapsed time are different. I’m talking about the absolute time of the games. And I know that soccer has few substitutions.

    It still makes more sense to decide major games with sudden death rather than penalty kicks. They’ve done the sudden death rule in the past, they call it the “golden goal.”

  89. @AnotherDad

    I’m a Christian do-gooder and I love the blacks and the Mexicans. That doesn’t make one woke and the kind of Christianity he was practicing back then is pretty much the opposite.

    He was uniquely reliant on her though because she got him sober and because her very normality served as a counterweight to all the ways he and his family had lost their way. Once they got to her he was screwed and has acted like it since.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    , @AnotherDad
  90. JimDandy says:
    @Avery

    I watched with a couple of Englishmen who were baffled and outraged that the English coach put an African named Saka in the game–and kept him in the game–because, in their opinion, he sucked. I watched, and he did suck–he kept making mistakes, but he was kept in the game and the shootout.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @AceDeuce
  91. @Bill P

    The wide-open Southern border was a function of the booming economy of the 2000s era. Employers had a strong need for low-cost laborers to build houses, work in restaurants, pick fruits, etc. As a pro-business Republican, Bush wanted to bring in more Mexican labor, under a program similar to the old “Bracero” guestworker plan. It had nothing to do with being “Woke.”

    Bush actually spent most of his 8 years engaged in constant demonization of Muslims and glorifying the military, which is how millions of Middle Easterners (mostly Iraqis) ended up dying, getting seriously injured, or becoming refugees during his “War on Terror.”

    Remember this shoe-throwing incident in Iraq? Would they throw shoes at a “Woke” president?

    Remember how Bush used anti-gay demagoguery in the 2004 election to distract from the disaster in Iraq?

    As for your contention that he cracked down hard on White dissidents, that wasn’t really true.

    Back in 2005, a group of right-wing Whites formed an anti-immigration militia called the Minutemen. For about 5 years, they organized patrols of the US-Mexico border. It’s hard to see that type of activity being permitted in the current year.

    Bush was never “Woke” during his presidency. He was a corporatist Republican who embraced Neocon strategists after 9/11.

    Our first “Woke” president was Obama. Though one could make an argument that Bill Clinton was vaguely “Woke” too.

    Bush is one of those DC creatures who doesn’t really believe in much of anything. He is, however, quite adept at playing the game. Since there are a lot of rich Jewish donors (including many Jewish Republicans) who are “Woke” these days, I suppose Bush would do some “Woke” signaling if he ran in the current year. If Bush wasn’t particularly “Woke” during the 2000-2008 era, it was because Jewish donors wanted militant Neocon foreign policy back then. “Woke” wasn’t a thing yet…

    DC has been full of incompetent [email protected] for a long time, especially from the early 2000s onward. In the pre-“Woke” era, they were incompetent. During the “Woke” era, they continue to be incompetent. Nothing has changed. A chameleon can change its colors, but it’s still a chameleon.

  92. Nachum says:
    @anonymous

    Wait a second, I thought that having Moors’ heads on flags, about thirty seconds ago, was racistracistracist. Now it’s OK? Because it’s a sign of Africans conquering Europe?

    (Of course, the Moors weren’t [necessarily] black Africans, but none of that matters any more.)

  93. @Anonymous

    Why not decide ties on corner kicks or indirect kicks rather than penalty kicks?

    The problem with penalty kicks is that they should be made, so the big story out of the tie-breaker is not that somebody did something good (unless it’s a great save by a goalie), it’s that somebody did something bad. E.g., the end of the 1994 World Cup final in the Rose Bowl was the Italian leader Biaggio sailing a penalty kick about 25 feet over the Brazilian goalkeeper’s head: a really terrible ending to the World Cup.

    Corner kicks are or long-distance indirect kicks are turned into goals less than 50% of the time, so if somebody scored on one, he’s the hero instead of the goat.

  94. @AnotherDad

    Christian do-gooder

    Ask the people of Iraq whether they agree with the characterization of Bush as a “Christian do-gooder” who loved Non-White people.

    By the way, the whole “Christian” shtick was fake, designed to fool Evangelical rubes. There’s no indication that the man has any particular reverence for Christianity or any type of ideology/higher cause. He’s a conman. A fake Christian, a fake Texan. A Northeastern son-of-privilege who pretended to be a West Texas rancher. A carpetbagger who somehow became a cowboy.

    Bush’s problem was NEVER that he loved Non-White people too much or had a sincere to help the world. His problem was that he was extremely lazy and stunningly incompetent, so being president was simply above his capacity. In addition to all that, he was fanatically obsessed with placating Jewish Neocon donors.

    I agree with you that Bush was weak. For all his tough talk, he ultimately was nothing more than a pawn of Jews. Which seems to be the case with a startlingly large percentage of WASPs from “Old Money” families (especially the men). Lot of elite WASP men are total zeros in life. Born to every privilege this world has to offer, but incapable of accomplishing anything of value. So they become servants of Jews in the hopes of being given something in return.

    • Agree: Tony massey
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Desiderius
  95. @NJ Transit Commuter

    game 7 of the NBA finals

    Game 7 – that’s your problem right there.

  96. Obviously all attainment gaps between white and Blacks are due to systemic racism.

    So if white Italians manage to score penalties, then practising taking penalties is systemic racism designed to entrench systems of white supremacy.I won’t even go into how racist it is for white supremacists to warm up before a game or for the goalkeeper to keep his eyes open when a Black player is taking a penalty against him….

    So all penalties taken by white players must be taken while they are taking a knee to show their support for Black bodies.

    • Replies: @1John
  97. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anonymous

    After reading the AP story I’m so glad that I had intuitively supported the Italian team. And for well-deserved Poetic Justice being meted out to the woke English team!

  98. @Anonymous

    They’ve done the sudden death rule in the past, they call it the “golden goal.”

    The “golden goal” was a disaster – and considered unsporting by football fans as it doesn’t allow the other team the opportunity to get an instant equaliser.
    Fans hated it so it got canned.
    They played a tournament with a “silver goal” once – so that if someone scored in the first half of extra time they only played 15 minutes if the other team didn’t score – but that was an unpopular disaster as well.

    Penalties, as Churchill put it on democracy, are the worst idea except all the others – just imagine if it was settled on free kicks conceded or yellow cards issued. The horror. The horror.

    • Replies: @Anon
  99. Nachum says:

    I suppose we’re all inured by now to the fact that some people can say some things and a major company can demand they be *criminally punished* for it, and of course the police go along. (Or, to be fair, the police would have opened an investigation all on their own.)

    I mean, we shouldn’t accept it, but no one mentions it. It’s pretty shocking. I don’t care what they said- no one should be investigated, let alone charged, let alone punished, for saying anything.

    As to soccer, I’m not an expert, but maybe someone can weigh in: I recall once reading that in the first half of the twentieth century, things were much different: The rules were the same, but teams tried a lot harder to score, and typical soccer scores could be up in hockey or even baseball territory- 6-3, 10-5, something like that. And then for whatever reason they decided to be more defensive.

    Is this true? And if it is, would it still be possible? Could some random country- not a nobody, but, say, Austria, suddenly decide to try to start scoring more, and manage? Would there be a backlash? Would other countries have to go along?

    The other thing I recall is that the reason you see so much play acting when it comes to “injuries” is because, knowing a game may well be decided on penalty kicks, players try to call for them as much as possible. I think the referees are on to it, though.

    Speaking of which, something else I never knew until now: Not only the size of the field, but the time is completely random. Games end whenever referees want, essentially. That just seems wrong.

    As to field size, which was mentioned here: I imagine a wider field makes for less scoring. On the other hand, I recall noting that Canadian football fields are wider than American ones and there are three downs instead of four, because a wider field means the ball can be advanced more, dodging defense. Of course, gridiron football and soccer have entirely different circumstances there.

    • Replies: @John Pepple
    , @Anonymous
  100. Nachum says:
    @interesting

    Well, every tribe stole from every other one. (The same being true around the world.) It’s a bit of white arrogance (or something else) to think that the history of Native America began in 1492 (actually more like 1700) and that everything had been set in stone since the Indians arrived 10,000 years ago.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
  101. @Steve Sailer

    Here we are engaging in that American past time you mocked up thread, but moving the spot of the kick back to about the range where Damsgaard hit this beautiful free kick would be interesting.

  102. @anonymous

    Italy’s 2nd goalkeeper was holding the Sardinian flag adorned with 4 black heads. Those were the Moors, Africans that occupied Southern Europe around 711 AD

    That Sardinian flag is the perfect metaphor for the (self) defeat—it’s the English flag defaced with blind Blacks: You couldn’t make this up!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Sardinia

    England manager Gareth Southgate should change his name to Craven Moorhead

    • LOL: Nachum, Abe, 3g4me
    • Replies: @utu
  103. Ralph L says:
    @Desiderius

    After the last 5 years, we have good reason to believe the Dem LA gov and NO mayor and their people were deliberately making things bad, they weren’t just incompetent.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  104. @Buzz Mohawk

    That’s the most popular sport of the world, so it cannot suck that much.

    Goals are relatively infrequent, but still lots of matches have several of them (Croatia-Spain had seven this tournament, though two of those in overtime), and goals are a huge thing in soccer. This is part of the excitement that goals are so rare, because if they happened on average every five minutes, there’d be very little celebration and it’d take the excitement out of it.

    Removing the offside rule would result in dozens of goals, but it’d be a stupid and unwatchable game.

    I think one issue is that Americans only watch the final, which tends to be on the boring side in itself because both sides are playing for safety, since taking risks in the final would be stupid.

    In general, soccer is more like life than, say, basketball, in that luck does play a role, but in the long run still the better sides tend to win on average. Still, with enough determination, good team organization, a good manager, and some luck, a weaker team can actually manage to win the tournament, as happened to Greece in the 2004 Euro Cup. If it was always the better team winning, that’d actually reduce the excitement, since there was little chance for such surprises.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  105. On a more low key but very related note, England recently lost a cricket series to New Zealand (now boosted by a number of white South African exiles who previously might have played for England) after dropping a white (possibly working class) player who did very well on debut (taking seven wickets and adding useful runs) because a woke journalist found something slightly racist or sexist on his Twitter account from 10 years previous.

  106. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Our blacks can beat your blacks.’ But before that, it’s a matter of ‘blacks can beat our whites and replace them’. It has almost fully happened in France. Is it worth celebrating black immigrants beating white natives and taking over as the new face of the nation? And is this really about diversity or blacks and mostly blacks replacing whites?

    American basketball team isn’t exactly diverse. 100 and 200 sprinting isn’t exactly diverse either.

    Diversity doesn’t really do much for sports. Basketball gains with more blacks.
    Soccer is something of an anomaly because scoring is so difficult, allowing more in the way of stamina and strategy. But if the goal was twice as wide, blacks would totally dominate.

    If the basketball hoop was raised about 10 ft higher, it would be more competitive among the races. But as long as blacks can dunk the ball, they have a big advantage.

    As for Sadiq Khan embracing diversity, he really means he would rather live with whites than in his own nation of origin. I don’t think Hindus or Pakistani Muslims much enjoy the diversity of living in black Africa. They want to be diverse within a white majority population, not a black majority population. South Asians do well in business and blacks do well in sports in UK, but what they have in common is the desire of living in white majority nation than in their homelands with few if any whites. These non-whites frame diversity in terms of doing a favor to whites when it’s entirely self-serving. Whites don’t need them to have good societies, but they need whites to improve their chances of a good life.

  107. Heads Diversity wins, tails you racists loses.

    The shortest and most accurate take I’ve read on this.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  108. Pericles says:
    @PiltdownMan

    The best sport in this respect has to be baseball. Wonderfully quirky with pitchers parks and green monsters and all sorts of local rules.

  109. @Daniel H

    In the rules, there is the goalkeeper and there are outfield players. You can tell the teams to nominate two outfield players to remove, but I doubt it makes scoring more likely, and you can’t objectively nominate their outfield players for them.

  110. @prime noticer

    i don’t know whether Southgate picked those guys because he thought they would be good at taking penalty kicks, or specifically because they were africans, but you seriously have to consider that it might have been because they were africans and he wanted their faces on television for the next 50 years, being shown taking the winning penalty kicks.

    You answered your question didn’t you. This seems to be an American rhetorical device posing a question and answering it in the same sentence Hypophora.

    https://literarydevices.net/hypophora/#:~:text=Hypophora%20is%20a%20figure%20of,used%20to%20answer%20the%20question.

  111. @NJ Transit Commuter

    It might. It also might not. You may also end up having to play an extra 2.5 hours, plus breaks.

  112. Anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    By that logic, even homo Heidelbergensis was “a European”.

    Europe is just a continent.

    Europeans are a people.

  113. @Whiskey

    And that’s going to be very, very interesting. Lots and lots of White soldiers and Marines fighting black dudes while Lloyd Austin, Gen Woke Milley Cyrus, and the Biden Regency tell them they should bow down and worship black dudes.

    Thanks Whiskey. You’re noting an interesting dynamic.

    The ruling minoritarian ideology is what the people-who-matter care about. Not actually winning any of these things. So … interesting question how they’ll fudge it. I assume it will be not doing much and then leaving.

    I’m all for the US getting involved in Haiti … if the program was to train and arm all the Haitians living here and send them all back to “make Haiti great again”.

    (BTW, there’s a wasted piece of real estate. Funny to think of the gold-rush style real estate boom there would be there–resorts, golf and retirement communities–if Haiti came into the possession of white folks … uh … without the Haitians. There’s 10 million Haitians. If you could buy them *all* out at say $50k apiece … i think it might pencil out. Of course, you’d then need to beef up the fence to keep out the Dominicans 😉

    (Of course, the huge real estate win is Cuba. That’s a really nice piece of real estate–darn near the size of Florida, but much more interesting/nicer, more coastline, better beaches, better snorkeling.)

    • Replies: @Nachum
  114. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    Lol, he forgot “London would not have a mayor without Saddiq Khan.”

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @Technite78
  115. LondonBob says:
    @JimDandy

    Saka was awful, no one else would have put him on ahead of Grealish. Southgate certainly seems to favour the black players, often selected ahead of more talented English players.

  116. Pericles says:

    Swedish state media, extremely feminized btw, of course reported the whole thing as “Threats and racist [verbal] abuse against Saka after penalty miss – criminal investigation to be begun”. (Pictures of whites comforting weeping negro.) Only the third article actually mentioned the winners.

    https://www.svt.se/sport/fotboll/hot-och-rasistiska-pahopp-mot-bukayo-saka-efter-straffmissen

    It was also reported that the UK Turkish-American Prime Minister and Pakistani Mayor of London were quite upset and denounced this baseless hatred of all negroes.

  117. Dumbo says:
    @Anonymous

    THIS is England.

    And if you don’t like it, YOU go home.

    Huh? And where would be that? I mean, is there any white country left?

    It’s like you bring guests to your home for dinner, then they decide to stay for the night, then two nights, then weeks, then months, then they decide that they really want to live with you forever. Then they tell you that your home is their home. Then when you finally start to complain that they might be abusong hospitality, they kick you out and tell you to “go home”, or find a new one. So much gratitude.

  118. Nachum says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Well, Jackie Robinson, supposedly, but that seems to have been limited (the Cincinnati thing with Pee Wee Reese and the Philadelphia one with Chapman) and only in his rookie year. Not a bad record. In Europe fans make ape noises and gestures when a black player gets the ball.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  119. meh says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Interestingly, while the distance to the penalty spot is fixed at 12 yards, the size of the field can be anywhere from fifty to a hundred yards wide, and a hundred to a hundred thirty yards long. It is possible to have a square soccer field and still be within regulations. I think the fields for international matches are more standardized, though still somewhat variable in size.

    IIRC the IFAB does require the pitch to be an actual rectangle, so no, it won’t be a square, and the maximum and minimum sizes are almost never used, at least at the top levels of the game. International matches and top division professional matches are usually in the area of 110-120 yards long and 75-85 yards wide, with allowances made for older venues that can’t fit in bigger pitches.

    Size of goals (8 yards x 8 feet), size of the boxes (6 yards and 18 yards), penalty spot (12 yards), center circle radius and penalty arc radius (10 yards), corner quarter arcs (1 yard), distance for free kicks (10 yards), etc., are all still in whole imperial units, and converted into metric for international use; whereas a lot of other sports (such as rugby) didn’t just switch measurement systems but changed to whole metric units. A lot of sports have fixed sizes of certain parts of the playing field while allowing for variation of size and shape of other parts of the playing field, including soccer, rugby, ice hockey, cricket, and of course baseball, depending on the restrictions that the playing location may impose.

  120. Nachum says:
    @AnotherDad

    I think you know full well that any invasion means more of the natives going *to* the United States.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    , @AnotherDad
  121. eded says:

    Where are all of the South Asian players for England? There’s a huge Indian-Bangladeshi-Pakistani population in Britain that has been there for several generations now, and few seem to make it at the highest levels of English soccer. Germany has many Turks on its team and France has its Arabs, but no South Asians on England. What’s going on?

  122. TyRade says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I agree. Surely some more subjective criterion might be applied at the end of extra time to decide a match than actually counting goals scored by penalties? I’m thinking the degree of diversity of each side (England win), with bonus consideration if a player comes out as differently sexualised during the game. Stories of abuse in the dressing room would count double. Oh, and absolutely no Asians. Surely that is who we are (supposed to be)?

  123. Dumbo says:

    I wonder if choosing three Black players was deliberate, exactly because of “Racism”. See, if they missed, the authorities could scream “racism!” at the predictable reaction of angry and frustrated fans. But if they had converted, they’d become heroes and authorities would scream: “England won because of diversity!”

    In this Cup, England was the team promoting this nonsensical BLM kneeling (When Spain and Italy played, neither team did the take a knee thing). It’s an American cause, what do they care?

    Congratulations to Italy, they played better too, despite having basically started the game with a 0-1 disadvantage.

    As for penalty shoot outs: I used to be against them, but now, I think they might be the easiest and best solution. Players have been playing for 120 min, any solution to make them play even more is not good. Increasing the scores some other way dilutes the value of goals, which are exciting because (relatively) rare. The “golden goal” was also a bad idea that did not work.

    Perhaps just making the shoot from farther away, or with a barrier, could make it slightly more dependant on player shooting ability than just luck.

    Another solution would be to make it like Quidditch and add a “Golden Snitch” that is worth 1000 points, so whoever finds it wins the game regardless.

  124. “we’re disgusted that some of our squad — who have given everything for the shirt……..”

    So, somebody gave something, “for the shirt.” The shirt.

    Can’t think of a better or more disgraceful epitaph, really.

  125. @Agathoklis

    The Italian National Squad has 3 Brazilian-born players, Rafael Toloi, Emerson Palmieri and Jorge Filho ( Jorginho). All have Italian ancestry and are white. If they did not have Italian ancestry, they would probably have not been capped, even if naturalised. They are certainly much better than England’s Black Boys. Moral of story: if you want imported players, get white Brazilians.

    England played better than usual but their coach stacked the defence from about the 20th minute after their first goal.

    Southgate is actually a very good coach, but his tactics are determined by his player base. Nearly all the best players in England are foreigners The number of English qualified players in the English Premier league is about 30% of total. If a squad of the best 26 players in England were to be assembled, the only actual English player in it would be Harry Kane. England’s strength is in its defensive players, nearly all white. They generally don’t score more than 1 or 2 goals a game, and, as in this tournament, rarely concede goals. Southgate has made a virtue out of a necessity.

    Football is the opposite of the usual dunderhead HBD banter on this site. Italians are tactical, composed, steely and intelligent. The English are clumsy, dumb and panic.

    You don’t seem to know a great deal about football. Repeat after me: ” We Greeks did not invent football and we don’t know much about it.”

    England certainly weren’t clumsy or dumb, and they certainly didn’t panic. They doggedly restricted Italy to one goal-scoring opportunity in the 90 minutes, an opportunity other teams might not have taken. Southgate is an excellent coach and all the white English players are capable and hard-working. Even some of the coloured players are too. This is high praise, coming as it does from a Scotsman.

    Then he made the grave mistake of giving a vital penalty to an 18 year old.

    He did not “give” the penalty to the 18 year old. Standard practice is for players to volunteer to take penalties, which Saka did in this case. However, you would expect the most experienced players to step up and take it. They didn’t. They seemed to be shirking the responsibility. However, it is odd the last 3 penalties were taken by black boys who had come on as substitutes. Was this a deliberate ploy ? If it was, it failed.

    Generally, Southgate has made very effective use of the limited player base he has. But his selection of the black boys is puzzling. Sancho and Saka are clearly no great shakes. Rashford was a very promising 18 year old, who is now not promising at all. The fact that all 3 were selected and were playing at the same time is very odd indeed. The English FA have been pandering to minorities for years now. I don’t know what sort of pressure was exerted on Southgate for more affirmative action picks. This issue won’t go away. I expect to hear much more of it in the coming months.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • LOL: utu
  126. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:

    If UK needs more blacks because they are better athletes, will it admit there are racial differences?

    As for Sicilians, maybe they can make the Moor-argument in True Romance.

    They are really ‘eggplant’.

  127. @eded

    South Asians are the world’s least athletic large population group.

  128. @meh

    Golf has very few fixed restrictions on its grounds, but lots and lots of opinions and customs as to what is suitable for tournament play.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  129. @Anonymous

    What this type of people have in common with Henry VIII, Milton, Newton, Darwin, Austen, Nelson, even that drunk Churchill…

    Nothing.

  130. England has a good number of white players–many sporting fashy haircuts. The black players, Sterling and Saka were terrible during the game. I wonder if Southgate was under pressure to field a diverse team. Not only did the black players miss their penalty shots, they looked stupid doing so. Their weak attempts to fake out the Italian goalie looked stupid and cost England the game.

    Better to lose diversely than to win by means of indigenous European players seems to be England’s motto nowadays.

  131. @Anon

    Was it an ebonics spelling test?

  132. Spect3r says:

    The fact that two of the ones who missed were Rashford and Zaha makes everything even better.
    I´m actually ok with Zaha, but the media fawning over Rashford (a very basic player) over the past two years has been nauseating.
    It was also great to see that even with UEFA making everything in their power to help England, they still failed.

    • Replies: @John Pepple
  133. @ScarletNumber

    They’re not Englishmen, they’re blacks that live in England.

    • Agree: 3g4me, AceDeuce
    • Thanks: Kylie
    • Replies: @Lex
  134. Their being black was probably less relevant than Rashford, Sancho and Saka being 23, 21 and 19 respectively. They were assigned penalties by the manager (they did not volunteer) as they had performed the best in taking them during training. Obviously doing it in the final in that environment is different.

    All three will do well in the future. Rashford has raised £20m to help feed millions of British school children. Sancho had an excellent season playing in Germany. Saka is a Yoruba Christian and has the equivalent of a 4.0 GPA from high school. He was known as a model student besides his sporting activities.

    https://www.premierchristianity.com/i-hold-onto-gods-promises-the-christian-faith-of-bukayo-saka/5250.article

    Very proud of how this side played after multiple abject performances and disappointing exits. No shame in losing to Italy who were probably the best side in the tournament.

    • LOL: 3g4me
  135. Spect3r says:
    @Anon

    Like i said in another thread… Spelling Bee is the ultimate evidence of how USA society evolved to celebrate mediocracy.
    If you can’t spell in your mother language at 14, school is most certainly not for you.

  136. Spect3r says:
    @Jiminy

    This has to be one of the stupidest things I ever read on UNZ… and this is a place where TinyDuck normally comments… Damn!

  137. AndrewR says:
    @Dumbo

    I think she means racist English people should return to Pakistan and recolonize it. Maybe she has a point.

  138. GLT says:
    @L. Guapo

    He put his farewell under a boring headline so couldn’t even say thanks and bye!

  139. Imagine if soccer were a compelling sport to watch. We can only imagine.

  140. LondonBob says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Southgate is a lousy coach, and it showed. Mancini has very good pedigree, and it showed with his in game substitutions and tactical changes. England have a superior standard of players, Italian football is somewhat of a trough. Of course two of the most highly regarded are Grealish and Foden, Grealish only came on in ET and Foden didn’t play at all, just bizarre, they are both white of course.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  141. Spect3r says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You have to understand that most of the so called “racial abuse” is not racial abuse at all, is just “You fucking suck”.

  142. Anonymous[638] • Disclaimer says:
    @Agathoklis

    Then he made the grave mistake of giving a vital penalty to an 18 year old.

    18-year-old Michael Owen (White) was the star of England’s 1998 World Cup semifinal match against Argentina. He scored a goal in regular time and didn’t choke in the penalty shootout.

    Football is the opposite of the usual dunderhead HBD banter on this site. Italians are tactical, composed, steely and intelligent. The English are clumsy, dumb and panic.

    Doesn’t the game rather confirm HBD stereotypes? The Whites were composed under fire. The Africans were erratic. And a White institution was weakened by immigration and political correctness.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  143. AndrewR says:
    @Ralph L

    The English FA is calling for people to be prosecuted for saying un PC things about blacks on social media. England is an absolute joke.

  144. AceDeuce says:
    @Anon

    What an amazing, totally random coincidence that a kneegrow wins this contest after a year long warp speed ramp up of the decades-long negro rectal tongue bath administered by YT. How totally random!

  145. AceDeuce says:
    @JimDandy

    “Colored Boy Magic!” “Set Negritude to STUN!”

    Didn’t work. Too bad; so sad.

  146. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1414473844513861633

    Full court press from the prime minister, health minister, national and international media outlets, sports associations.

    Most replies are along the lines of “Disgusting, but unsurprising. Racism is rife in England,” and “More must done to unmask and prosecute the wrongdoers.”

  147. Sam says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I think most here have missed the point in both the main “diversity” story but also the penalty issue.

    1. Diverse penalty takers

    The coach put two offensive players on instead of two defensive players(a black and white player) to have a leg up in the shootout. It’s not uncommon for coaches to do that. The strategy was not bad. It made a lot of sense if you buy the theory that the more technically gifted players have a better chance of not screwing up a penalty.

    The old debate about shootouts is whether it’s more mental or technical. Caeteris paribus you choose both. In practice it doesn’t turns out that way.For example, the two defenders, albeit technically strong ones, Bonucci and Maguire had excellent pens. And I’ve seen that happen before many times.For the most part I side with it being a mix of a mental battle, a dose of luck and the keeper’s instincts.

    Also England almost always lose penalties.

    TLDR: So this is not a story about diversity losing it for England. England always lose penalties. Southgate made a sensible bet but it failed.

    The real story is that the obvious guy who should have stepped up was Sterling. Occasionally players chicken out and seems to be the case here. Likewise Grealish (the great white hope) and Luke Shaw should have taken it when Sterling declined rather than let the youngster Saka take it. Feel bad for him.
    That is the analysis of the comically tough guy legend Roy Keane as well.

    2.Penalty shootouts are great

    The problem with using penalty kicks as the tie-breaker is that it’s bigger news when the kicker misses than when he makes it. It would be like the NFL having a tie-breaker of field goal-kicking. In the rest of soccer, scoring is a very big deal

    Yes it makes for hero vs villain stories. That’s what makes it great too. It’s not a continuation of anything that happened before during the game so greatly unfair. I say great. Part of the great thing about football is the low scoring which makes it possible to have one side simply sit deep, ride their luck, get scrappy and somehow steal a goal. Those are wonderful games too and make for great drama.
    Great history is written in unfair defeat too. Take this intro to the great English football anthem Three Lions 98. It shows Gareth Southgate missing the iconic penalty against Germany in Euro 96 semis in England.

    The only criticism I would agree with is that the stats show that the team who takes the first pen has a 60% chance of winning. So they could experiment with that.
    https://www.euronews.com/2018/07/02/penalty-shootouts-are-unfair-here-s-how-they-could-be-fairer-view

    For Steve,
    Here is Ed West on a “Don’t mention the war” part of the England v Germany rivalry
    https://unherd.com/2021/06/englands-war-with-germany-will-never-be-over/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anonymous
    , @sb
  148. Cortes says:
    @Anonymous

    The “Golden Goal” to decide a match has been used for major international and club football events – see the “Association Football” section at:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_goal

    The powers that be obviously prefer the penalty shootouts because they heighten the drama, extend broadcast time and no doubt rake in additional advertising revenue.

    Fans are often cynical about rule changes and the potential for chopping up play to provide opportunities for advertising. The recent change in the rule regarding “goal kicks” – putting the ball back in play after it has gone beyond the goal line level with the goal itself – has, however, been thoroughly beneficial to the game; far more match time is now spent in and around the penalty boxes which generates much greater excitement than the previous concentration of play around the centre circle. And instructions to match referees to disregard much of the “dying swan” simulation have also contributed to greater continuity of play.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @utu
  149. @Cortes

    It’s almost as if FIFA, for all its corruption, is pretty good at administering the sport of soccer so it can be played both by kids and the world’s highest paid professionals.

    I used to have, like so many Americans, lots of suggestions about how to improve soccer, but now I have fewer.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
  150. @Sam

    Gareth Southgate missing the iconic penalty against Germany in Euro 96 semis in England.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyoy2_7FegI

    That was a pretty terrible kick right at the goalie.

    • Replies: @Sam
  151. @Nachum

    Maybe troubles in Cuba will yield more “new” Americans than troubles in Haiti? Why couldn’t Norway or Iceland be located so close to USA?

    • Replies: @Nachum
  152. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam

    Occasionally players chicken out and seems to be the case here. Likewise Grealish (the great white hope) and Luke Shaw should have taken it when Sterling declined rather than let the youngster Saka take it. Feel bad for him.

    That is the analysis of the comically tough guy legend Roy Keane as well.

    the gaffer = Southgate

  153. anon[638] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    She is now relishing getting Englishmen fired from their jobs and not being able to provide for their families:

  154. What language do these people in England speak? It seems not to be English.

    [1] The F[ootball] A[ssociation] strongly condemns all forms of discrimination”. Do these people know what “all” means? So henceforth no football games will be decided by which team has the higher score, because that would be a form of discrimination.

    [2] “We will do all we can to support the players affected while urging the toughest punishments possible for anyone responsible.” So the FA wants death by torture for those responsible for speech the FA disapproves of.

    [3] “All the boys who put themselves forward to take a pen we are proud of you”. What does it mean to “take a pen”?

    [4] “the former England international Rio Ferdinand”. What is an international?

    [5] “They [the losing players] deserve all our love and support!” Another peculiar use of “all”; no love and support should be given to anyone else.

  155. @JohnnyWalker123

    You can’t be serious. The Boston fans were especially notorious. Then there were the players. But then as now they weren’t without support – real support not this bathetic performative wokelism.

  156. @Steve Sailer

    But?

    I suspect that is the entire purpose of the paucity. What better way to spur interest than meaningful and ongoing controversy.

  157. @Anonymous

    They tried the whole sudden death in overtime thing in the 90’s to early 2000’s.

    Fans hated it and it led to terrible games because both teams would hunker down and do everything to not take a goal.

  158. @Change that Matters

    That’s why we’re here.

    The soul of wit.

  159. utu says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    England got its flag from Genoa.

    England owes arrears over St George’s Cross, claims Genoa mayor
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/england-owes-arrears-over-st-georges-cross-claims-genoa-mayor

    For the privilege, the English monarch paid an annual tribute to the doge of Genoa, or ruler of the Republic of Genoa. However, the tribute apparently fell by the wayside after the republic collapsed.

    How England Ended Up Stealing the Flag of Genoa
    https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/how-england-ended-up-stealing-the-flag-of-genoa/

    Genoa was once a powerful maritime republic, with established trading colonies throughout the Mediterranean and Black Sea, and English ships that flew the St George’s Cross, the symbol of the Genoese Navy, would have protection against enemy ships.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  160. Dumbo says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Long story short, Southgate was outsmarted by Mancini, and English players were outsmarted by the Italians.

    He did not “give” the penalty to the 18 year old. Standard practice is for players to volunteer to take penalties, which Saka did in this case.

    This is not what the coach himself says:

    “That is my responsibility,” Southgate said. “I chose the guys to take the kicks. I told the players that nobody is on their own in that situation. We win and lose together as a team. They have been tight throughout and that’s how it needs to stay. It is my decision to give him [Saka] that penalty. That is totally my responsibility. It is not him or Marcus or Jadon.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/12/my-responsibility-gareth-southgate-takes-blame-for-shootout-selections

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  161. Hockey thought the Penalty shots would help eliminate the frustration with ties, but people quickly got sick of deciding so many games with a skills competition. They went to a 3on 3 , 5 minute overtime format and the penalty shot round is less common.

    In playoffs, they play full 5-5 sudden death.

  162. @Verymuchalive

    I am not against Italy picking Brazilians of Italian descent but how Italian are these players really? Greece has also gotten into the habit of selecting some diaspora Greeks for their squads who are mostly 100% ethnic Greeks with a few exception which results in inherently unGreek first names like Jose taking the field.

    Gareth Southgate is a very good English coach. Note, the bar is very low. But he is not a very good coach in generally. He seems to be outsmarted by European coaches in the big games. It is almost impossible to defend a 1-0 lead against a big football nation like Italy for 70 minutes. He should have not played so deep and narrow but gone for a second goal. That is quite dumb.

    In terms of clumsiness, English players are universally known as not being very skilful but rather oafish and clumsy. Of course, from a Scottish perspective the English all look like Roberto Baggio.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  163. @anon

    They call it a “shootout” in NHL hockey, too. How long before that term is Cancelled outright, or at least calls for a “trigger warning?” Of course, now “trigger warning” itself has been replaced with something but it’s so lame I forgot it.

  164. @Pericles

    LOL!

    The fact that someone like Saddiq Khan can be elected to mayor of London is a clear indication of just how bad things are in England. I assume for a native Englishman it feels similar to how I felt about Bill De Blasio getting elected to mayor of NYC.

  165. @JohnnyWalker123

    Exactly. That is why this upsurge in racial activism is so annoying. We dealt with America’s racism fifty years ago, and the problems blacks now have in America are of their own doing. Our elites, of course, don’t want to admit that.

  166. @eded

    I think they opt for cricket.

  167. @Nachum

    I think it is true. At the end of Pele’s autobiography, there is a list of every game in which he scored a goal, stretching from the late 1950s into the 1970s. I once tallied up the goals to see if the scoring went down during that period, and it did. So, games that were, say, 3-1 in the 1950s became 1-0 by the 1970s.

    • Replies: @Nachum
  168. utu says:
    @Cortes

    There were also offside rule changes that potentially could lead to higher scores but I am not aware if statistics confirms it.

    The Question: Why is the modern offside law a work of genius?
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/apr/13/the-question-why-is-offside-law-genius

    In 1970’s Dutch teams were famous for playing coordinated offside traps.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  169. Bill says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No. The answer is get over your fetish for avoiding ties.

  170. @Triteleia Laxa

    So what were the “rude” remarks? Even legitimate criticism is RACIST if directed to the protected class. How much more was it?

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  171. Are any of the offending remarks available to see? Or do we just accept how bad they were?

  172. @meh

    center circle radius

    The center circle in soccer has got to be the most pointless field marking in all of sportsball. What’s even funnier is how particular the rules are that only two players are allowed inside it at kick-off – as though anything else would provide a team with an unbeatable advantage or something. (“No wonder they scored, they had four players inside the center circle at kick-off, the cheating bastards!!”)

  173. @Bill P

    “I watched the Heysel stadium massacre live when I was ten years old. “

    I also watched it. The perps were ‘Scallies’ – bad boys from Liverpool. Scallies are not your average Englander.

    A couple of days after the slaughter I listened to a BBC R5 phone-in where a young Scouser opined that the deaths were the fault of the Italian supporters, because when attacked they attempted to flee rather than standing and fighting. His assumption was that fighting was what you went to a football match to do.

    • Replies: @Anon
  174. @Verymuchalive

    You don’t seem to know a great deal about football. Repeat after me: ” We Greeks did not invent football and we don’t know much about it.”

    He’s wrong about the English being “dumb” or “clumsy” or whatever. But he’s quite right about the Italian reputation of being composed, steely and methodical, and that this is the opposite of what casual HBD banter would have have you expect.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Verymuchalive
  175. @Bill P

    Yeah, who cares about rough language. But what happened to the Italians at Wembley is “not on.”

    I really /sarcasm/ love /sarcasm/ Steve’s attitude toward the British: always fair, sporting, and gentlemanly.

    What’s weird to me is that with all their bone-deep racialism, the English have allowed themselves to be usurped.

  176. on England’s heavily black soccer team

    It’s not heavily black.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  177. Triumph of the swill.

  178. Redman says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    College basketball when Patrick Ewing played. I recall a 1983 game at the Providence Civic Center in 1983. The kids in the Providence student body section put up a big sign that said Patrick Ewing can’t read. G’town coach John Thompson stopped the game until it was taken down.

    But your point is a fair one. When Hank Aaron died last year there was a lot of talk about the death threats he got when he was going for Ruth’s HR record. I tried to research it, but didn’t find any news discussion about it at the time. It seems possible he made the stories up decades later.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  179. @Buzz Mohawk

    Djokovic is almost as awesome a specimen as Jacob deGrom. Neither is a muscle freak.

    • Replies: @Anon
  180. sb says:
    @Sam

    It’s also not unknown for the coach to substitute the goalkeeper in the last minutes of play for the upcoming penalty kicks
    I recall the Dutch doing this in the last World Cup .
    I guess the first goalie was preferred for normal field play but the replacement had the record as a penalty stopper

    • Replies: @marcavis
  181. Goob says:
    @Jiminy

    Only exploding soccer balls with 90 minute timers would bring in SEC and Big12 fans.

  182. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jiminy

    It is like deciding the NBA finals on a free throw shooting contest. I hate it.

    My preference would be in extra time that a player comes off for each side every 5 minutes. Someone will score eventually as the field opens up. And I doubt it ever comes down to just a 1v1, which immediately makes it preferable to penalties.

  183. bomag says:
    @Anon

    I wonder if they will erect new statues with current party approval.

    Or just fly a rainbow flag.

  184. Alden says:
    @Whiskey

    One war closes, another war opens.

    In addition to the peace keeping war, there will be zillions of war refugee legal immigrants. Plus another zillion bogus charities registered in Delaware where only 5 percent has to go to the recipients and 95 percent goes to administrative costs mostly salaries.

  185. RBCB says:

    As written it’s a bit misleading. The substitutions happened *before* the penalty kicks started, though they were certainly done with the penalty kicks in mind.

    Certainly, had England won, we would have seen many articles about how you can only win championships with diversity and immigration. This was the big narrative 3 years ago when France won the World Cup; should be easy to dig those articles up. (They had a somewhat disappointing Euro tournament this year). The funny part to those who pay attention was that their WC final opponent was Croatia, a consistently good team who probably couldn’t have been less diverse. But France won, so there was only going to be one narrative.

    I am not aware of any stereotype, btw, regarding black v white penalty kick success rates. There may be a difference. Presumably the two players were subbed on because they were good penalty takers.

  186. countenance says: • Website

    Well don’t look at me. I’m not the one who demanded that the English (et al.) outsource their patriotism to a bunch of guys kicking a ball around. I’m not the one who demanded more immigration because (among other reasons) England would have better guys to do said ball kicking. To top it all off, I’m not the one who did all this knowing full well the hooligan nature of a certain percentage of English soccer fans.

  187. Alden says:
    @eded

    They’re too busy raping White 11 year olds and accusing anyone who disapproves of racism and Islamaphobia.

  188. bomag says:
    @Dumbo

    This.

    Also akin to an a-hole neighbor dumping a bunch of Others on my front step, informing me I have to take care of them because they are from a shithole country suffering daily beatings etc. etc. Quickly revealed they are well off grifters who inform me my country sucks and I need to be replaced by them and theirs etc. etc.

  189. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    “The most striking finding is a clear signal of admixture into northern Europe, with one ancestral population related to present-day Basques and Sardinians and the other related to present-day populations of northeast Asia and the Americas.”

    https://www.genetics.org/content/192/3/1065

    “We show that the genetic makeup of northern Europe was shaped by migrations from Siberia that began at least 3500 years ago. This Siberian ancestry was subsequently admixed into many modern populations in the region.”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07483-5

    Who’s Really “More European”?

    https://racialreality.blogspot.com/2019/12/whos-really-more-european.html

  190. Neuday says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Can anyone think of a single incident in American history in which White fans racially abused Non-White players?

    Does yelling at NFL players on the TV count?

    • Replies: @JMcG
  191. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Of course you’re right about Italy and Serbia, but Berrettini is actually 1/4 Brazilian:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Berrettini#Personal_life

  192. @Dumbo

    It’s like you bring guests to your home for dinner, then they decide to stay for the night, then two nights, then weeks, then months, then they decide that they really want to live with you forever. Then they tell you that your home is their home. Then when you finally start to complain that they might be abusong hospitality, they kick you out and tell you to “go home”, or find a new one. So much gratitude.

    It’s more or less the pattern of the Great Migration into Northern cities for several decades.

  193. slumber_j says:
    @prime noticer

    i wonder if anybody went to both events.

    Yes: the Duchess of Cambridge for one.

  194. @anon

    JC, it’s right on Wikipedia, ya dip.

  195. If I had known about this, I’d have been praying for the Italian team, even thought I really don’t care about soccer.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  196. Here is how it works:

    The religion of the blessings of diversity justifies race-replacement immigration policy in England…

    Nonwhite massive voting bloc keeps Labor Party in power….

    Labor Party protects homosexual pederasts such as Pete Townshend who get to rape underage Eastern European boys….

    Nonwhites become the majority in England….

    Nonwhites violently persecuted the homosexual pederasts Native English such as Pete Townshend….

  197. @Nachum

    You’re either really stupid or a liar.

    Maybe AE was right.

    • Replies: @Nachum
  198. Joe Joe says:
    @prime noticer

    Tom Cruise and Kate Middleton were at both events

  199. I think the way they chose the penalty kickers was to have some kind of penalty kick competition in training and pick the five winners, which all sounds very objective.

    The problem was that what this produced was a 19 year old who had never taken a penalty kick in front of a large crowd taking the final, crucial, penalty kick, and another player (Rashford) who is said to have injury problems taking the third penalty kick.

    Rashford however is a bit of a national hero, having led an effort to restore free school meals for poor children, and having severely embarrassed Boris Johnson.

    But really England lost this game in the first half.

    Having taken a very early lead, they were leading 1-0 at halftime, but the early loss of a goal should have forced Italy to throw men forward in attack to seek an equalizer, which should have given England some opportunities to break away and score on the counter attack, but this never happened.

    England never really seemed in control of the game.

    In the end Italy WERE the better team.

    • Replies: @Matttt
    , @Paperback Writer
  200. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nachum

    in the first half of the twentieth century, things were much different: The rules were the same, but teams tried a lot harder to score, and typical soccer scores could be up in hockey or even baseball territory- 6-3, 10-5, something like that.

    No. Never was the case in the professional game.

    • Replies: @Nachum
  201. S Johnson says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It could be a cunning scapegoating ploy to ensure that the next day’s media in the losing country are full of recriminations/defences of the missing players rather than complaints about the justice of the result itself.

    Penalties also mean that the psychologically stronger team tends to win, which is usually the team that played better in the second half, perhaps another reason why fans generally accept the result. A sudden-death goal over a disputed decision on the other hand would probably mean riots in the host capital.

  202. anon[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    the Bush family are errand-boys for the vigorous, aggressive, dynamic Globalists who tell the dullard Bushes what to do.

    Then the Bushes are given millions while the ruling Globalists rake in billions and trillions.

    The Bush family is effectively cheap labor for the ruling Globalists.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  203. anon[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    In the way that makes the most revenue for T.V. and the team’s owners.

    Why would you even need to ask? 🙂

  204. Bernie says:

    Glad to see an all-white team win as should be the case in a tournament called Euro.

    The teams that load up with backs are often terrible. England won a World Cup in 1966 with an all-white and all-English squad. Now that the squad is trending all black, more talented white players will not be given a chance.

    Looks like the Eastern European teams will be getting lots of wins going forward.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  205. Possumman says:
    @Anon

    Spelling Bee—can you spell “Fixed”?

  206. marcavis says:
    @sb

    Yes, it was very amusing to watch – Cillessen is a better all-around keeper, while Krul was able to intimidate/taunt the Costa Rican penalty takers, and also as you said he’s good at catching them too.

  207. The Italy goalkeeper has more badass juju than the Slavia Prague player!!!

  208. Matttt says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The funny thing is that there is a lot about soccer that could make some of America’s favorite sports better: 45 minutes of play uninterrupted by commercials, each team in the league plays each other team twice (once at home, once away), a promotion/relegation system, a league-wide (amateur, minor league pro, major league pro) single-elimination tournament.

    By the way, I’m not talking about baseball. Baseball is already perfect.

  209. 3g4me says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    @4 Triteleia Laxa: Way to move the goalposts and ignore the main issue – but that is your modus operandi, after all. Italy’s “White” players are Italian, going back generations. England’s “black” players are not English and never will be. So the obviously racial move by the English coach failed and was noted to fail by the English fans. England’s team, good or bad, ought to consist of English players. Save your equity drivel for your own genetic tribe; your larping has failed.

  210. @interesting

    How do we know who the rightful “owners” were or are? How could we know if the natives that were already there didn’t actually “steal” it from another tribe?

    American Indians often fought over land, and their rivalries were also exploited by the Europeans. The hospital where I was born is on land that was fought over by different tribes before being taken by Americans.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  211. @prime noticer

    ” don’t know whether Southgate picked those guys because he thought they would be good at taking penalty kicks, or specifically because they were africans, but you seriously have to consider that it might have been because they were africans and he wanted their faces on television for the next 50 years, being shown taking the winning penalty kicks.”

    Corporate Dullard Southgate Philly had no say. Head of FA (((Lord Triesemann))) chose the Africans as The Official Diverse Penalty Heroes.

  212. English soccer doesn’t need blacks to screw things up, their whites have shown they’re plenty capable in that regard.

    Robert Green mishandling an easy shot by Clint Dempsey and watching it roll into the net…John Terry slipping on a PK in the Champions League final. Terry was famous for screaming abuse at American tourists the day after 9/11, while they were waiting for their flight out of Cuck Island.

  213. 3g4me says:
    @Ausonius

    @20 Ausonius: Another win for Sailer’s magic citizenism – a commenter at a purportedly HBD site who, unironically, labels an Egyptian “very very Italian.” I’m absolutely certain you’re not an evil rayciss notsee, either. You’re merely highly credentialed and dreadfully cosmopolitan. Snigger.

    • Replies: @Ausonius
    , @Ausonius
  214. Matttt says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Wait a second. Saka has been playing for Arsenal, one of the most famous soccer franchises in the world, since 2018 and has been a starter since 2020. I find it hard to believe he’s spooked by large crowds.

    He got beat; that’s it.

    • Replies: @glib
    , @Jonathan Mason
  215. @Jiminy

    Allow me to say here first that the off-side rule should be abandoned. If you want to park a forward near the other team’s goal, so what?

    Let the scores rise to baseball levels. The whole match will be more interesting to watch.

    Or, make the goal smaller and get rid of the goalie.

    I’ve played with all of these changes and the game works just fine. There’s just a lot more scoring.

    • Replies: @Lex
  216. Baseball and cricket and tennis, and maybe possibly lightweight boxing, are literally the only sports which are interesting to anybody else except the people who are playing them at the time.

    Soccer is admirable for its cultivation of athleticism, and from talking to soccer players I can tell that inside their world, their conception of the game is actually sort of intriguing and interesting. I can say the same thing about ice hockey, from being an ice hockey player.

    But in the world of external observation, nothing could be more boring and ludicrous than soccer, hockey, basketball, any of these shapeless formless sports where an action can be reversible in an instant, and there is no consequence.

    In baseball, as in chess, every single action and decision has an irreversible consequence which furthers the position of the game, and which thus informs every future action and decision. That is why baseball and chess are interesting to watch.

    Whereas in soccer or hockey or basketball, any action or decision can be reversed or erased or negated at any moment at the drop of a hat, and it’s like nothing ever happened. “Oh look! He’s got the ball! (or puck/other kind of ball). But now he doesn’t have it, and some other guy does! It’s as if the last five minutes didn’t happen at all! I have the memory of a goldfish!”

    When I watch a soccer game, I just say, Can we please just cut to the penalty kicks, and spare ourselves all this boredom? Same with basketball: let just one guy do a layup, and then we can all go home.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Cortes
  217. anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey

    The Biden Regency has sent troops, and will send more,

    Links or it didn’t happen.

  218. 3g4me says:
    @Anonymous

    @56 Anonymous [115]: Cognitively normal White people ought to have a problem with England sending a black to represent a White European nation in anything. Your virtue signaling indicates you’re a pretentious twat.

  219. Southern Europeans seem to lack the gene for self-effacing altruism that Northern Europeans have.

    • Replies: @Anon
  220. [MORE]

    Passive voice is blood in the water.

  221. @Dave Pinsen

    Football matches don’t go to penalties in league games, only cup competitions.

  222. Sam says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Not as bad as the Roberto Baggio pen you posted which is of course the most legendary penalty miss of them all time. I’ve seen poor ones like the one by Southgate from far greater players.
    Here is Shevchenko, who was the most deadly striker in the world, make a completely half hearted attempt in a champions league final, the most important football tournament in the world after the World Cup. His team had been ahead by 3 at half time and somehow the major underdogs, Liverpool, came back with 3 goals in the space of 7 mins or so. Probably the most spectacular final of all time in football. However, it showcases that one possible factor that determines these crapshoots is who goes into them with a slight mental break or advantage. In this case Milan’s players looked sickly having thrown away a massive lead in a final and Shevchenko misses the crucial last pen giving Liverpool the victory.

    As you noted before, trying to explain European football to Americans, the low scoring is not a bug but a feature. The same holds for penalties. As far as I can tell nobody wants to get rid of it.

  223. anon[553] • Disclaimer says:

    Turning from soccer to actual football, it appears that another NFL player has come out of the closet, although the reaction isn’t the same as it was to Carl Nassib’s announcement. No rainbow flag waving, for some reason.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/07/10/more-details-barkevious-mingo-child-sex-offense-allegations

    According to documents filed by Arlington PD pertaining to a search warrant and obtained by SI:

    Mingo invited a teenage family member and the boy’s friend, also a teenager, to spend the day with him. Mingo took the boys to the Six Flags Over Texas amusement park in Arlington and K1 Speed, a Dallas-area go-kart complex. They had dinner at BJ’s restaurant, a popular local steakhouse. Mingo paid for everything, including a season pass to K1 Speed.

    Mingo also treated the boys to a shopping spree, paying for items they chose from Nike.com. The relative’s friend chose a variety of T-shirts, shoes and shorts. The gear was shipped to the boy at the address of his friend, Mingo’s family member.

    There is a reason for this MORE.

    [MORE]

    On the night of July 4, 2019, the boys returned to the local hotel where Mingo was staying. According to the documents obtained by Sports Illustrated, the boy fell asleep, but at approximately 3 a.m. he woke up and noticed Mingo in bed with him. He “thought it was odd,” according to documents, because the plan was for the two boys to sleep in a room separate from Mingo. He thought little of it and went back to sleep.

    According to the document, “The victim was then woken by [Mingo] pulling at his underwear. This occurred for a few minutes until the suspect got more and aggressive and pulled the victim’s underwear down to his shins. The victim advised that when this was occurring, he was scared and pretended to be asleep. [Mingo] put a lotion on that made the victim’s skin burn and … rubbed his penis up and down, in between the victim’s butt crack.”

    When, in January 2021, the boy’s mother made a complaint to the local police, the case was assigned to a detective with the Arlington Police Department Crimes Against Children Unit. In February 2021, as part of the investigation, Arlington police applied to the Tarrant County Judge David C. Hagerman for a search warrant to obtain Nike’s sales records from July 4, 2019, pertaining to three orders.

    Liberation!

  224. @3g4me

    I was describing the England official account, as run by graceless losers, for reacting to their loss by immediately bleeting about racism.

    You are very stupid.

  225. @John Henry

    I agree, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a drunk Italian fan, out of tens of thousands, shouted a few racialised mocking insults, among their usual chants of players being slow, blind, fat, useless or what have you.

    I don’t like racialised jeering, but, from the peanut gallery, to the multi-millionaire superstar athletes, it hardly constitutes traumatic oppression.

  226. Nachum says:
    @Paperback Writer

    I don’t know who AE is.

    I have a strong sense of skepticism. I’m not sure if you’re objecting to my “supposedly” or my repeating of the “accepted” facts. If things really weren’t so bad for Robinson as we’re told, I’m happy to hear about that. If the opposite, go right ahead.

  227. Cortes says:
    @utu

    The restraint in use of video reviews (the dreaded VAR) and “normal” immediate flagging of offsides also helped to make these Euros much better to watch than I had feared. The worst kind of matches are the “stop-start” ones in which play is continually broken up by over-zealous officials blowing for every minor infraction and thereby impeding the development of promising moves, or deliberate time wasting tactics by one of the teams. This competition was, thankfully, free of most of those factors. The cagy probing for gaps in well-drilled defences followed by lightning attacks when space opened up (England’s goal last night, or Morata’s spectacular one in the semifinal spring to mind) was excellent.

  228. The crazy thing is, unlike France, England’s team isn’t even that black. Of their starters yesterday there were 8 whites, 1 black, and 2 mixed race.

    • Replies: @Anon
  229. @JohnnyWalker123

    It wasn’t fake.

    That’s not the kind of Christianity fake Christians practice.

  230. Jiminy says:
    @Jiminy

    Every thing evolves. When rugby was first played it could go for anything up to five days long. Test cricket was becoming boring so fifty years ago the one day matches, a good money earner and very popular came into play. A fast paced game over in a day.
    I even think that a rule against going back over the half way line should be used, as too often a team plays the ball back to their own goal. You score by attacking the opposing goal, by going forward. And yes, the worst of the loutish soccer hooligans have probably been eliminated. I used to play soccer in my youth but these days I can’t even be bothered to watch a game. I’d compare it to test cricket. And besides, changing the game greatly now would probably upset the gamblers and match fixers. Not popular.

  231. @Anon

    I thought that Blacks are superior at certain memory tasks when corrected for IQ (or comparable to Whites without correcting for IQ). I’m actually surprised we don’t see more Black girls at spelling bees. This may also be why we see Nigerians in Scrabble – memory and improvisational thinking (plus there are just a lot of Nigerians).

    If you want to surprise me, show me a Black that can win a Fields Medal. Or just score a perfect math SAT for that matter.

  232. JMcG says:
    @Neuday

    I once heard a fellow say that a certain Eagles wide receiver wouldn’t have dropped a pass if it had been a rack of ribs rather than a football.

  233. Wilkey says:

    Of course the “racist” taunts against the black players are simply the flip side to the racist taunts that the establishment would direct at native white British people opposed to the mass invasion of their country by millions of black Africans.

    “See! We *need* these people to win a football game!”

    Nevermind how utterly embicilic that winning a silly children’s game is as a justification for pretty much anything, and especially for mass immigration into a hugely overpopulated island like Britain.

    And nevermind that in every other context the “elites” tend to look down on English soccer fans as violent, drunk, sports-obsessed hooligans. Their arguments are nothing more than boob bait for British bubbas.

    And as a person who is British to the bone (at least ethnically) I’ve been cheering for England’s loss from the very beginning, due to their team’s adoption of BLM nonsense, and of course the inevitability that a winning team would be used to justify more immigration. I was sad when they made it all the way to the finals, but if there is a better way for them to lose I can’t think of it.

    The “racist taunts” against the black soccer players may be “vile” in some sense of the word, but they are far less vile than the arguments and actions being used to dispossess the native British people of their country.

    • Agree: Lurker, YetAnotherAnon
  234. Didn’t the limeys kneel before the game. They got what they deserved their ass kicked.

  235. Lurker says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    In baseball, as in chess, every single action and decision has an irreversible consequence which furthers the position of the game, and which thus informs every future action and decision. That is why baseball and chess are interesting to watch.

  236. Nachum says:
    @Anonymous

    Thank you.

    Would it be *possible* under the rules? Why would it happen in non-professional games?

  237. @Desiderius

    I’m a Christian do-gooder and I love the blacks and the Mexicans. That doesn’t make one woke and the kind of Christianity he was practicing back then is pretty much the opposite.

    There are plenty of Christians–like yourself–who are able to “love thy neighbor” without thinking that entitles everyone on the planet to come plop their fat ass here. But W–raised by the Mexican maid–wasn’t one of those Christians. He is some sort of kumbaya–immigration is love, diversity is our greatest strength–Christian.

    Christians should accept the fact that there is a serious Christian cuck problem. Christianity has theological/psychological aspects that allow Christians to easily be rolled and a bunch of Christians have been rolled and are effectively enemies of preserving Western civilization.

    I think this is pretty obvious and something Christians ought to be aware of, accept, call out and fight against.

    Just like i think it’s stone cold obvious that Jews–a middle-man minority, with a hostile relationship toward Christianity–have been the driving ideologues and propagandists for minoritarianism (white/majority hostility) and the balkanization (ergo destruction of the West) to achieve some ridiculous rainbow of diversity globalist pipe dream. And patriotic Jews–the Stephen Miller sort–should be aware of, accept, call out and fight against.

    And then there’s the super-state thing … (so obvious there’s not much denial)

    And then there’s the capitalism thing …

    And then there’s woman thing …

    And then there’s the weak white man thing … We haven’t laid down the law and stood up for our patrimony and defended our posterity.

    Everyone, everyone who wants Western civilization–which is all we have in the way of civilization–to continue needs to be able to deal with these realities–the bad, even treasonous, behavior in their own group/community–and fight against them.

  238. Nachum says:
    @John Pepple

    3-1 is still very low by other sports’ standards.

  239. Man, if only young European men could direct 1/10th of this energy to nationalist causes…

  240. Nachum says:
    @Ron Mexico

    And they’re quite stable.

  241. Yngvar says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Soccer is like a chess game where all the pieces move as they will.

  242. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:

    I did wonder whether the 3 black penalty kickers were selected strictly due to their race, because they wanted to set a black guy up as England’s hero. Two of those players only came in during overtime, what a strange decision. On the whole the English team was actually quite white. Unfortunately for England, the black hero worshiping plan backfired. Honestly it was all quite unfortunate…for England. As a fan of the Italian team, I can’t complain.

    But what a way to twist this, now England needs more multiculturalism because of all the racist abuse. If they had won England would need more immigration because immigrants are the heroes. I guess England just needs more multiculturalism no matter what.

    Now let’s hear it from Merry (Meghan and Harry).

  243. Forbes says:
    @Anon

    What was the word the runner-up misspelled to come in second–and–what was the correctly spelled word that clinched the win?

  244. @Anonymous

    Rima’s talking big and egging on war … but not because she’s strong or her people are strong, but because she knows the super-state has her back.

  245. @Nachum

    I think you know full well that any invasion means more of the natives going *to* the United States.

    Of course.

    As i made clear the only Haitian invasion i support is sending the Haitians here, back there.

    On my real estate speculations again the whole point is how much more valuable those properties would be … if the natives were *not* there. I.e. human capital matters. I.e. HBD.

  246. Forbes says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Oh, to reminisce of when England’s favorite sports were fencing and squash…

  247. Anon[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I also watched it. The perps were ‘Scallies’ – bad boys from Liverpool. Scallies are not your average Englander.

    A couple of days after the slaughter I listened to a BBC R5 phone-in where a young Scouser opined that the deaths were the fault of the Italian supporters

    What is the difference between a Scallie and a Scouser?

  248. Anon[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Djokovic is almost as awesome a specimen

    What is so awesome about Djokovic as a specimen?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  249. S Johnson says:

    Crunching the numbers:

    England has participated in five competitive penalty shootouts since the year 2000 (and lost all but one), against Italy twice, Portugal twice and Colombia once.

    White players converted their penalties at a rate of 12:5 (three of those misses occurred against Portugal in 2006).

    Black players took eight penalties, missing six of them, giving them a negative conversion rate of 2:6.

    The closest thing to yesterday was also against Italy in 2012 when two whites scored first then two blacks missed.

    Additionally England’s only win on penalties was against mostly black/mestizo Colombia.

    It’s still a small sample size but given how infrequently international tournaments and penalty shootouts occur statistically it might make more sense just to give the ball to the whiter faces next time.

    Further details: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/england-lose-penalty-kick-shootout-list-updated-pk-losses/1t6kaw0b5iytm197iwvvxn8d97

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
  250. @JohnnyWalker123

    Jesse Owens’ rubbish treatment by FDR comes to mind.

  251. glib says:
    @Matttt

    On top of that, he got beat by someone barely 3 years his senior.

  252. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver

    But he’s quite right about the Italian reputation of being composed, steely and methodical, and that this is the opposite of what casual HBD banter would have have you expect.

    Italy has a lot of diversity and, in the north, significant Germanic admixture.

    • Replies: @T.Chris
  253. @anon

    The Atlanta Falcons have now released Barkevious the lascivious linebacker.

    I would be prevaricating if I did not confess to having an ambivalent take as false accusations do abound – even those directed at deviant darkies.

  254. @Steve Sailer

    Why not decide ties on corner kicks or indirect kicks rather than penalty kicks?

    The problem with penalty kicks is that they should be made, so the big story out of the tie-breaker is not that somebody did something good (unless it’s a great save by a goalie), it’s that somebody did something bad. E.g., the end of the 1994 World Cup final in the Rose Bowl was the Italian leader Biaggio sailing a penalty kick about 25 feet over the Brazilian goalkeeper’s head: a really terrible ending to the World Cup.

    Corner kicks are or long-distance indirect kicks are turned into goals less than 50% of the time, so if somebody scored on one, he’s the hero instead of the goat.

    As I understand it, the goalkeeper’s strategy in penalty kicks is to pick one side of the net to commit to defending, leaving the whole other side open to the player taking the kick. The goalkeeper hopes that he guesses right and moves to the side of the net that the kicking player has picked to shoot at, or that the player taking the kick tries to pick a corner (which are essentially indefensible) and misses the net in its entirety. So unfortunately this seems like these things get decided more on luck and happenstance than skill and will.

    I like your idea of trading “set pieces” to decide the winner better than penalty kicks.

  255. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of abhorrent comments like this.

  256. SafeNow says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    “Obviously doing it in the final in that environment is different.” (compared to trsining)

    I wonder if the coach, during training, had taken the time to set-up simulated tension. Heckling by the team — You stink man. I know your mother, man. Many years ago, the football coach of my high school did this with the field goal kicker. Do college football coaches ever do this? – bring the marching band and cheerleaders over to heckle — get right up close, in fact.

  257. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Southern Europeans seem to lack the gene for self-effacing altruism that Northern Europeans have.

    What is “self-effacing altruism”? Can you illustrate with an example?

  258. Kylie says:
    @Mike_from_SGV

    “It’s not fully an English team, actually, since a number of players are not authentically English.”

    It’s not a fully English team unless all the players are authentically English.

  259. @Spect3r

    Saka, not Zaha. I’m ok with Zaha, too, because he came out publicly against all the kneeling.

    • Replies: @Spect3r
  260. I taped the game, after all Italy was playing, and then fast forward until I saw a score. First goal at just two minutes in and then snooze fest until Italy scored. Sterling played the whole game, Rashford came in in OT IIRC, the other two blacks never played, England coach Southgate will be forever remembered as the bloke who choked on woke. Hey, I’m a poet. Worst decision since Pete Carroll decided to throw instead of handing off to Marshawn Lynch. Go Italy!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Clyde
  261. Clyde says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    American Indians often fought over land, and their rivalries were also exploited by the Europeans. The hospital where I was born is on land that was fought over by different tribes before being taken by Americans.

    You would think they went to war over water, hunting grounds, best land to plant corn and other resources, but half the time they went to war over young rambunctious braves wanting more prestige within their tribe. More prestige meant more sexual access. I can easily imagine a war being set off by a girl being kidnapped from the rival tribe 20 miles away. This all going on before Europeans arrived.

    In times of plenty tribes had lots of bored young men around. So start a war. My favorite Indian movie is Last of the Mohicans, director Michael Mann. —- https://tinyurl.com/82huvmtx

  262. @Buffalo Joe

    The Iwate Tsunami

    The Big Umami

  263. Clyde says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Gareth Southgate has been viciously PC this season as he reveled in forcing his team to do the BLM kneeling. Good for him to get his team as far as he did, but I cannot stand the man and how he looks.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  264. @anon

    FiveFiveThree, gays are not the same as a pedophile.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @anon
    , @Russ
  265. @meh

    IIRC the IFAB does require the pitch to be an actual rectangle, so no, it won’t be a square,

    A square is a special instance of a rectangle. Square and rectangle are not mutually exclusive.

    An equilateral triangle is a special instance of an isoceles triangle.

    A circle is a special instance of an ellipse.

    An parabola is a special instance of a line and a hyberbola is a special instance of parallel lines.

    BTW, all parabolas are similar, as are all squares, all circles, and all equilateral/30-60-90/3-4-5/45-45-90 triangles.

  266. @LondonBob

    England have a superior standard of players,

    You’ve not grasped what I have written. 30 years ago, Serie A was the wealthiest Football League in the world. the top foreign players tended to gravitate to it. Now it is behind the English Premier League and the top clubs in Spain and France. The standard in the English Premier League is now superior as it has far more top foreign players than Serie A. However, there are now more opportunities for Italian players, which has resulted in the Italian National Team being superior to the English National Team.

    Italian football is somewhat of a trough

    Certainly at club level this is true. It is related to the explanation above. As they have to rely on more native players, and have far less top foreigners, progress will be slow. However, it can be done. Jose Mourinho made his name by winning the Champions’ League with Porto, a team almost entirely composed of Portuguese.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  267. Marcus Ashford missed the goal all together. That is pathetic for a professional player. However it did make me laugh. Not as much as the mass bike tumble at the Tour To France, but it was a funny miss. Besides admitting to being a horrible person of a dark humor, how is Ashford observation remotely racist? Apparently if I tweeted that observation, it would be. Anyway I am glad the Italians won. They never played the kill the clock – passy passy game like the English. Plus they were considerably better looking.

  268. @Paperback Writer

    In the early rounds, the England fans (or many of them) booed the team for doing the BLM gesture, by the final almost none did.

    I only know one guy at the final, a doctor whose tickets (face value) were £500 each.

    The class composition of the England following changed dramatically in the last couple of rounds, hence the disappearance of booing BLM.

    Piers is a moron who just wants to be on the winning side.

  269. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whataboutery2020

    The “golden goal” was a disaster – and considered unsporting by football fans as it doesn’t allow the other team the opportunity to get an instant equaliser.

    That makes no sense. Soccer isn’t like football, baseball, basketball, etc. where one side dominates possession or offense at a time. There are of course interceptions and steals in football and basketball, but generally the offense maintains and controls possession enough in those sports that it’s unfair to give only side possession and the chance to score. Whereas in soccer, possession is generally up in the air, even among the best dribblers and handlers, and goals are so hard to come by. The sudden death or golden goal is ideal for a sport like soccer.

    • Replies: @Whataboutery2020
  270. @Dumbo

    Thank you for correcting me on this point. I don’t listen to after match comments, and I turn the commentary off while I watch the game. It’s usually all self-serving rubbish. As I have said previously, you are certainly no dumbo.

    Usually, managers leave this to the players, with the understanding that the most experienced players take responsibility. However, England have a dismal record of losing on penalty kicks. So Southgate hatches a “cunning plan”. He knows that the Italians will have prepared for the situation and Donnarumma would have seen videos of Harry Kane and the other main England players taking penalties. So he will notice any patterns in how they take them. However, he would not have seen videos of the 3 Black Boys taking penalties, because they don’t take them for their clubs. So it might be harder to guess where they’ll shoot.

    The reason the Black Boys don’t take penalties may be because they’re no good at them. As all three failed this may be true. So a cunning plan wasn’t a cunning plan after all. I don’t see this ploy being used by other managers in future.

    • Thanks: Dumbo
  271. Lex says:
    @Joe Paluka

    Race and ethnicity are two separate categories.

    • Replies: @Inselaffen
    , @Anonymous
  272. Dmon says:
    @Anon

    Diverse. United. Mandatory. Proud. This is England.

    • LOL: 3g4me
  273. Lex says:
    @stillCARealist

    More scoring makes results more predictable. And that’s boring

  274. Clyde says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Bush wasn’t Woke.

    That GW joke was pre-woke. He inspired our host to come up with “Invade the world, invite the world”. Bill Clinton was content with bombing the world and firing cruise missiles in its general direction.

    (George Walker Bush was born on July 6, 1946, at Grace-New Haven Hospital (now Yale New Haven Hospital) in New Haven, Connecticut, while his father was a student at Yale.)

  275. @Anon

    Looking at photos of the offending statue, where it is claimed Sacagaewa is stooped or kneeling beside Whitey, it seems to me that the position of her feet is more like she was sitting.
    https://www.npr.org/2021/07/10/1014959484/after-removing-two-statues-charlottesville-officials-vote-to-take-down-a-third

  276. @Agathoklis

    Southgate is not a very good coach, he is an excellent coach. With a very limited player base – less skillful than the period from the 1960s to 1990s – he has taken England to the Semi-Final of the World Cup and the Final of the European Championship.

    In terms of clumsiness, English players are universally known as not being very skilful but rather oafish and clumsy.

    You don’t produce any references for these claims, and no intelligent observer would make them about the present England team. It was the clumsy and oafish Italian team that picked up 4 yellow cards last night.

    Of course, from a Scottish perspective the English all look like Roberto Baggio.

    You mention an obscure Italian footballer who has been retired for many years. Scotland has produced many talented and skillful players down the years. It is the smallest European country whose club has won the European Cup ( Celtic ). Its population is half that of Greece. It has also produced clubs ( Rangers, Aberdeen) that have won the Cup Winners’ Cup and appeared in the UEFA Cup Final ( Dundee United, Celtic ). Celtic won the European Cup in 1967, this was before any club in England, Germany, the Netherlands or France won it.

    Repeat after me: ” We Greeks did not invent football and don’t know much about it.”

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    , @Marty T
  277. I guess the blacks didn’t take as many steroids as the whites.

  278. @Jonathan Mason

    Also: at Wembley, the Italians had entered the lion’s den. There were Italian fans but overwhelmingly the crowd was English and highly partisan to put it mildly. There were incidents of flashing lasers at officials and booing the opposing team’s national anthem. All of Europe became disgusted at the English fans’ boorishness and wanted Italy to win.

    I mean, I can understand the English booing Germany’s national anthem…. but Denmark?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  279. Cortes says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Possession of the ball is, usually, essential to be able to score in football. * Control of how matches develop depends on successful retention of the ball while your opponents are, or ought to be doing their damnedest to wrest possession from you. And when you succeed in retaining possession you impose yourselves on the opposition, moving them around, tiring them out, dispiriting them and then you strike as the gaps your superior skills, organisation and aggression have engineered open up for exploitation. And some games involving teams ludicrously mismatched on paper can see the technically superior side well-beaten by an underdog playing to its own strengths and seizing the scant opportunities they have.

    In tennis, first strike advantage is ceded automatically and frequently – “After you, Cuthbert”; in football ( and hockey) it’s “Take it if you can.”

    * The recent classic own goal by Spain in the match with Croatia is an unorthodox example.

  280. @Bernie

    This is a joke, no? The last FIFA World Cup team was the truly heavily black French team, which beat the all-white Croatian team.

    And as for Italy, it’ll be diverse soon enough.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Okoli

  281. @Nachum

    It’s a bit of white arrogance (or something else) to think that the history of Native America began in 1492 (actually more like 1700) and that everything had been set in stone since the Indians arrived 10,000 years ago.

    Best example is the Aztecs. They invaded the Mexico central valley, coming from the wild north, only a few centuries before Cortez arrived. The Aztecs conquered the valley tribes. The Aztecs practiced massacre, torture, slavery, human sacrifice, and cannibalism (on a large scale). The Spanish, to their moral credit, practiced massacre, torture and slavery, but were appalled by human sacrifice and cannibalism and put an end to those two barbaric practices in Mexico.
    The average valley Indian was materially better off under Spanish rule than Aztec rule, owing to the fact he was not being eaten.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  282. @Redman

    This was especially cruel because Thompson was a Providence alumnus.

  283. @silviosilver

    But he’s quite right about the Italian reputation of being composed, steely and methodical, and that this is the opposite of what casual HBD banter would have have you expect.

    You are right. Anyone who knows his football, expects the top Italian teams to be composed, steely and methodical. That’s the way they have played for decades. In days past, the German National Team played in an even more composed and methodical manner. Not steely, but surgical. Obviously, when personnel are not so effective, standards drop. The present Germany Team and most top Italian club sides could not be so described.

    Italy is a very varied country. The casual HBD enthusiast applies a one size fits all method. Think Anatoly Karlin, rather than Steve Sailer. I read Karlin for Russian politics ( with reservations ) and ignore the rest. There is no substitute for Maestro Steve, even if there are substitutes for his lenses!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  284. @utu

    England got its flag from Genoa.

    Genoa was jus’ gonna mention that!

  285. @Verymuchalive

    Henry Kissinger’s 1986 essay on how national character manifests itself in World Cup soccer styles conceives of the basic character of Italians as grim, miserly, tenacious Mediterranean peasants.

  286. @Daniel H

    The NHL has experimented with such a system. In OT, both teams are (or were last time I checked) down to 4-on-4, instead of the traditional 5-on-5. Still, I think a shoot out occurs afterwards. I don’t know I stopped watching years ago.

  287. Joe Joe says:

    Both teams kneeled before the opening kick 🙁

  288. Ausonius says:
    @3g4me

    È una partita di calcio. Per tutti, anche per gli stranieri che amano l’Italia. Devi essere molto divertente una domenica pomeriggio. Molto divertente.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  289. @Steve Sailer

    The only thing to admire about Kissinger is his love and knowledge of football among a sea of Americans ignorant of the greatest game of all. However, his understanding of Italian football is wrong. Although catenaccio was the predominant philosophy of Italian football in the 1960s, it did not originate in Italy. And neither do more contemporary Italian teams practice this defensive strategy although occasionally they have used elements of it. When they do, they have not done well in tournaments.

  290. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Gays are pederastic. The jump to younger and younger, when life is about thrills and pleasure, is encouraged, tho’.

  291. @rebel yell

    The average valley Indian was materially better off under Spanish rule than Aztec rule, owing to the fact he was not being eaten.

    Not being eaten is one of the positive indicators of a successful civilization.

  292. @Steve Sailer

    Quite chuffed that you have caught up with me at #252. It has been a very productive thread, both for you and me. I never thought I’d be commenting away at #255+

    Jews and sport are not a natural combination. Not quite as bad as Indians ( subcontinental) and sport, which you have dealt with in a concise and clear manner earlier, but going that way. So needless to say Henry K is completely wrong.
    The top club sides have nearly always come from a line Florence-Bologna northwards. Apart from the odd Champion from Rome and Napoli, most Italian champions have come from Torino, Milan or Genoa. No Mediterranean in climate at all. The character of the Italian game represents that of the industrialised North, not the South. It is that of the FIAT worker, not the Southern peasant. Of course, the Agnelli family own both FIAT and Juventus, Italy’s most successful club.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  293. Ausonius says:
    @Steve Sailer

    He was entirely wrong. He had no clue about the Italians. There are several cultures / mindsets on the peninsula.

  294. Ausonius says:
    @3g4me

    It’s a football game! For all, including foreign residents who love Italy.

    You must be a lot of fun on a Sunday afternoon. Calm down.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  295. @3g4me

    I was criticising the England Twitter account…

  296. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Poor Henry, did the pretty girls of Milano & further north scorn him?
    Did he have to settle for the eggplant harpies from south of Napoli, or worse yet on Sicily?

    lol.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  297. @Verymuchalive

    Your claim checks out.

    From a list of the best Italian players of the last few decades:

    North: Maldini born in Milan. Chiellini born in Livorno. Baggio born in Venice. Baresi born in Lombardy. Buffon born in Tuscany. Del Piero born in Venice.

    Rome: Totti born in Rome. Nesta born in Rome.

    South: Cannavaro born in Naples.

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    , @Verymuchalive
  298. @Matttt

    Yes but he had never taken a penalty kick in front of a large crowd. No doubt he had taken thousands in training or playing for reserve teams, but never on the big stage, which is very nerve-wracking occasion.

  299. @anon

    Why would you pick one of the things he is most famous for being successful at, to criticise him for lacking?

    Even in his youth, Kissinger didn’t quite fit the bill of a matinee idol, but he has always been a hit with the ladies. A 1972 poll of Playboy bunnies selected Kissinger as the man with whom Hef’s ladies would most like to go out on a date. He also had a string of celebrity girlfriends in his younger days, including Diane Sawyer, Candice Bergen, Jill St. John, Shirley Maclaine, and Liv Ullman, who called Kissinger “the most interesting man I have ever met.”

    Kissinger’s swinging bachelor days are long gone, though. He was married to Ann Fleischer from 1949 to 1964 then married philanthropist Nancy Maginnes in 1974—a union that at one point seemed so improbable that just a year before they tied the knot, Maginnes had called speculation that she and Kissinger would marry “outrageous.”

  300. 3g4me says:
    @Ausonius

    @274 Ausonius: Meta Italiano di mio marito. Sod off.

  301. 3g4me says:
    @Ausonius

    @279 Ausonius: Italy’s a nation! Not for all, but for Italians, not foreign parasites from a failed third world country.

  302. @Verymuchalive

    Hmm…Scotland, the nation has never won a major football trophy whereas Greece has.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  303. @anonymous

    Don’t know much about the flag but the Moors of N. Africa were only around 8 percent black and those blacks were usually conquered by the sword. N. Africa contrary to the blacks who know nothing about Africa was basically considered “The Southern Mediterranean” at the time compared to what was below the Sahara.

  304. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Turn off the reruns of “Will & Grace”, and take that up with the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus. Who sing of grooming kids.

    “We’ll convert your chil-dren”.

  305. Anon[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    The crazy thing is, unlike France, England’s team isn’t even that black. Of their starters yesterday there were 8 whites, 1 black, and 2 mixed race.

    Have you seen the under-17 squad?

    • Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident
  306. anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @S Johnson

    England has participated in five competitive penalty shootouts since the year 2000 (and lost all but one), against Italy twice, Portugal twice and Colombia once.

    White players converted their penalties at a rate of 12:5 (three of those misses occurred against Portugal in 2006).

    Black players took eight penalties, missing six of them, giving them a negative conversion rate of 2:6.

    Look up the penalty shoot out in England’s 1998 World Cup semifinal loss to Argentina. You had a black miss a penalty there, too, with the overall ratio not so out of line with what you have laid out above.

  307. @Lex

    but blacks are neither racially nor ethnically English, so what’s your point?

  308. @Cortes

    Everything that you just said was a very interesting, intriguing, insider’s take on how an expert player subtly views the game from within. But not from without, where I remain stultified, no matter how many times an expert explains it to me.

    Who knows, maybe I’m just a moron. Some people think that all Ramones songs sound alike, but I, being a punk aficionado, can tell you the fine shades of difference between “Sheena Is A Punk Rocker” and “Rockaway Beach,” but I can’t tell you a lick of difference between Beyonce and Jay-Z and the Wu-Tang Clan.

    Courses for horses, one supposes. But even though I am a good hockey player and a bad baseball player, I still think that from a watcher’s point of view, baseball is structured and interesting, and hockey is shapeless and silly. Then again I can play piano but I cannot play guitar, and will never be able to. I look at a keyboard and the system makes implicit sense to me; I look at a fretboard and just shrug in confusion and despair.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  309. @Triteleia Laxa

    “Even in his youth, Kissinger didn’t quite fit the bill of a matinee idol, but he has always been a hit with the ladies.”

    Sounds to me like somebody here doesn’t know what a “publicist” is.

  310. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lex

    Race and ethnicity are two separate categories.

    Race and ethnicity are the same thing. Ethnicity is just a politically correct way to refer to race.

  311. Marty T says:
    @Verymuchalive

    The Italians (1) didn’t disrespect their nation and (2) won

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  312. @Triteleia Laxa

    I think you would have to check out the ancestry of those players as there was a large migration from the south to the north of Italy from the beginning of the 20th century onwards. Some of them might have southern ancestry or in some cases, like Maldini, who had some non-Italian ancestry. His father Cesare had Slovenian ancestry.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  313. res says:
    @prime noticer

    i saw on another other site that some guy calculated penalty kicks and african players were only converting at like 35% and other players were at like 75%. not sure what the data set was though.

    I would appreciate it if you could give the link. I’m not finding it with a search.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Brutusale
  314. @Marty T

    I’m agreeing with you. As I’ve said elsewhere, (3) they have players who are considerably better than the English players overall. ( 4) They should have won the European Championship much more comfortably, so you and I would be talking about Italy’s remarkable recovery from a slump.

    As it is, we are talking about 3 Black Boys missing penalties, an inconsequential matter, even if it does shine a revealing and depressing light on modern day English football and society.

  315. Cortes says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Thanks. However, far from being an expert insider, I’m just a fan whose own skills were strictly limited. As you suggest, the old expression “one man’s meat is another man’s poison” may apply to sports as to more important things.

    For me, the way that football can swing suddenly from the dominance of one team to the other is fundamental to its appeal. And central to this is often the work of the player referred to in English as the “playmaker” or “midfield general” and in Italian and Spanish more poetically as the “fantasista” – who can dictate the possession play of the team while awaiting the lapse in concentration, the slip or the correct placement of his teammates to unlock the defence. He might make 25 or more short “meaningless” exchanges with his teammates before deciding that he has the tumblers ready to pay out the jackpot and then the lightning bolt is launched.

    This article

    https://asymmetric-football.com/2017/01/19/the-fantasista-intelligence-creativity-technique-part-one/

    has more. It also has a link to the English version of the “dissertation” Roberto Mancini, coach of the recent winning Italian team, wrote for his professional coaching qualification.

    (Pretentious? Moi?)

  316. @Agathoklis

    The 2004 European Championship was the worst ever. The Greek win was a complete freak, and Greek teams have done nothing before or since.
    The Scots teams that won European trophies and appeared in finals were entirely composed of Scots players, apart from the Celtic team that appeared in the UEFA Cup Final. The Celtic team that won the European Cup in 1967 was composed of players who, apart from one, were all born within a 15 mile radius of Glasgow. English teams that won European trophies later had a considerable number of Scots, Irish and Welsh players.
    I rest my case.

    • Agree: Cortes
  317. @Anon

    The fans hated it which is why it was dropped – and they hated it because of the abruptness. The game just stopped dead with, as I say, no chance for a frantic last charge up the pitch for the losers.
    It was considered a disaster and is never really mentioned now.

  318. @Verymuchalive

    30 years ago, Serie A was the wealthiest Football League in the world. the top foreign players tended to gravitate to it. Now it is behind the English Premier League and the top clubs in Spain and France.

    The transformation was stunning in its rapidity. In 1991, it was still common to field all-British teams. Foreigners were players like Anders Limpar at Arsenal – a small name Scand a top tier club. By the end of the decade Chelsea could field a completely non-English side, with many of them big names.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  319. @Anon

    “What is the difference between a Scallie and a Scouser?”

    A Scouser is pretty much any Liverpudlian – the word comes from the food.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouse_(food)

    A scally, on the other hand, is a Scouser who’s also a bad boy, a chav type. At Wembley ages ago I kept my match tickets in my socks until I got to the turnstiles, having earlier seen Liverpool supporters snatch tickets out of someones hand and run off.

    A friend witnessed a man leave his keys in the car when paying for his petrol, at a garage on Merseyside. A passer-by jumped in and drove off!

    https://localwiki.org/liverpool/Scallies

  320. Spect3r says:
    @John Pepple

    You are correct, my bad. It was Saka, not Zaha.

  321. “Craven Moorhead”

    LOL.

  322. @silviosilver

    A big part of the problem now is that most Premier League clubs are owned or partly owned by foreign investors or companies. Manchester United, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester etc. They want quick results, so buy foreign imports expensively and neglect grassroots development.

    This is not the case in Italy and Spain, so prospects for native players there are considerably brighter.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  323. @Triteleia Laxa

    The point I was trying to make is this. Regardless in Italy where players come from, the big clubs are nearly all clustered in the North. They have imposed their culture on the league and on football in Italy generally. It is more FIAT man than peasant man !

    The same was true in England. The big clubs were nearly all in the north. It’s why the biggest clubs in England are Manchester United and Liverpool. The only London club that has made an impact in recent years is Chelsea, and that due to massive amounts of Russian oligarch money.

  324. Cortes says:
    @Verymuchalive

    I’d just add that the 1967 Celtic team destroyed the masters of ultra-defensive “catenaccio” (?chainmail) football, Inter Milan, and probably paved the way for the highly-adaptable “total football” of the great Dutch teams of the 1970s. That Celtic side remains highly regarded around Europe. Its core players contested another final three years later and the club was semifinalist in 1972 and 1974 with largely a new generation of players but the same attacking philosophy.

    The Greek side of 2004 will always be remembered for “parking the bus” and for bugger all else.

    The underachievement of the national side during the heyday of the game in Scotland was due not to lack of magnificent players but to selection politics, recruitment nepotism and small-minded administration officials. All masked by the convenient cosy fallacy peddled by the administrators’ media buddies of “too small a population to succeed”; the population hovers around 5m. Oddly enough, Uruguay (circa 3.6m) has won the World Cup twice and the Copa América (South America Championship) 15 times.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  325. @Verymuchalive

    The Greek win was a complete freak, and Greek teams have done nothing before or since.

    That’s a fair comment, although Greece is certainly not alone in that category. Poland, Hungary, Austria are also teams that you might have expected to see a bit more from by now. Probably the most conspicuous disappointment is post-Soviet Russia, simply based on population size alone.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    , @LondonBob
  326. Wokechoke says:

    I think Southgate was expecting one of the black players to score the decisive winning goal. If it failed to work criticism of the manager and players and FA Public Relations could be zugzwanged into an attack on a racist fanbase. Heads Multiracialism wins Tails Racists get arrested. It’s actually high stakes political manoeuvring.

    • Agree: awry
  327. @res

    https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/england-lose-penalty-kick-shootout-list-updated-pk-losses/1t6kaw0b5iytm197iwvvxn8d97

    Euro 2004: Portugal 2-2 England AET (Portugal won 6-5 on penalties)
    Beckham missed
    Owen scored
    Lampard scored
    Terry scored
    Hargreaves scored
    A. Cole scored
    Vassel missed

    W 4/1
    B 1/1

    Euro 2012: England 0-0 Italy AET (Italy won 4-2 on penalties)

    Gerrard scored
    Rooney scored
    Young missed
    A. Cole missed

    W 2/0
    B 0/2

    Euro 2021: Italy 1-1 England AET (Italy won 3-2 on penalties)

    Kane scored
    Maguire scored
    Rashford missed
    Sancho saved
    Saka saved

    W 2/0
    B 0/3

    World Cup 2006: England 0-0 Portugal AET (Portugal won 3-1 on penalties)

    Lampard missed
    Hargreaves scored
    Gerrard missed
    Carragher missed

    W 2/2

    World Cup 2018: Colombia 1-1 England AET (England won 4-3 on penalties)
    Kane scored
    Rashford scored
    Henderson missed
    Trippier scored
    Dier scored

    W 3/1
    B 1/0

    Nations League 2019: Switzerland 0-0 England AET (England won 6-5 on penalties)

    Maguire scored
    Barkley scored
    Sancho scored
    Sterling scored
    Pickford scored
    Dier scored

    W 4/0
    B 2/0

    So since 2000, black players have taken 10 shootout penalties and missed 6 of them, white players have taken 21 and missed 4 of them.

    The rule for penalty misses is not 13/50, but 32/60! As in, 32% of the penalty takers produce 60% of the missed pens

    • Replies: @res
  328. sb says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Not a big soccer fan
    All I know is that Scotland has never gone past the first group stage of a major tournament .
    Even USA and Australia – among many others – have done that . ( including this Euro Championships -you generally only need one win to make the last 16 out of 24 teams )

    Still I do know that Celtic and Rangers are reasonably big clubs by any standard although I have heard Scots say that disadvantages the National Team ( can’t remember why )

  329. @Verymuchalive

    I think there’s probably also a factor that in youth football, which is divided by age groups, black boys mature quicker (and tend anyway to be a bit faster) so can physically dominate a game. My son played against some black kids who were like adults.

    Some kids who don’t relish the (at that age) unequal contest will lose interest and so we’ll miss out on some good players. Same way the US ends up importing basketball players from E. Europe, where they’ve not been barged off the court in adolescence.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  330. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @S Johnson

    White players converted their penalties at a rate of 12:5 (three of those misses occurred against Portugal in 2006).

    Black players took eight penalties, missing six of them, giving them a negative conversion rate of 2:6.

    Fast twitch muscle fibers are not conducive to fine motor control.

  331. @Verymuchalive

    Despite the Greek victory in 2004 being one of the most spectacular and aesthetically pleasing football feats in world history, I am personally not interested in vulgar football one-upmanship but rather prefer to analyse the game as objectively as possible. However, just to clarify Greece has progressed several times beyond the group stage of an international tournament after the 2004 European championship. However, I do not believe Scotland has over the same time period and neither did they achieve that feat before 2004.

  332. Related, Lando Norris, millionaire’s son and F1 driver, parks his Mclaren near Wembley to watch the game.

    https://data.brent.gov.uk/dataset/2ydly/wembley-central-diversity-profile

    He’s 21, raised in Somerset, public school, world traveller but only in terms of elite hotels, and nobody told him that was an extremely bad idea. They were waiting for him as he returned to his car. Lucky he only lost his 40k Rolex. He almost deserves it for being such an idiot, but on the other hand how was he to know? Where would he find out? Not from his school or the BBC, that’s for sure.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/13/f1-driver-lando-norris-shaken-after-being-mugged-at-euro-2020-final

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  333. @YetAnotherAnon

    My son played against some black kids who were like adults.

    More black children mature earlier than other races- part of the “fast life” strategy espoused by many HBD enthusiasts. Then they stop, whereas other races continue to develop into their twenties. Marcus Rashford was a very promising 18 year old, but he has been overtaken by his contemporaries since.
    Contrast that with Gianluigi Donnarumma who was a very promising 18 year old, but is an even more promising 22 year old. All being well, he will continue to improve and smash Yashin’s record. He has all-time great written all over him

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  334. @Ralph L

    Evidence overwhelming for both evil and incompetent.

    The two go hand in hand.

  335. @reiner Tor

    Agreed.

    Poker’s popular too. People like short-term swinginess combined with long-term advantage to merit.

    Feels natural.

  336. @Cortes

    Thank you for your very perceptive comments. You know your football and you know your history. Scottish football enjoyed a boom period from the late 1940s to the mid 1980s and produced numerous club sides of skill and flair. As well as the reasons outlined by you above, the Scotland National Team did not have a proper full-time manager until Willie Ormond was appointed in the mid 1970s. It had last qualified for the World Cup in 1954. It then qualified for the 1974, 1978, 1982 and 1986 World Cups. However, it had wasted most of its period of peak creativity.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  337. S Johnson says:
    @anon

    Including 98 (when it looks like there were only two blacks in England’s squad) three whites scored, one white missed, and one black missed.

    That brings the white total up to 15:6, or 71.4%.

    Whereas the total for black players becomes 2:7, or 22.2%.

    Including the 2019 Nations League would bring the black total up significantly as three black players scored, including two who missed on Sunday. On the other hand it’s much less watched than the World Cup and Euros and didn’t come with the huge psychological pressure.

  338. @Agathoklis

    It doesn’t matter. His point was about the footballing culture of Italy being from the North.

  339. T.Chris says:
    @anon

    No, there are some ethnic Germans living way up north in Sudtirol, but there’s nothing “Germanic” about ethnically Northern Italians, and the “diversity” in Italy is all intra-Southern European:

    https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2017/05/genetically-southern-european.html

  340. @silviosilver

    Probably the most conspicuous disappointment is post-Soviet Russia, simply based on population size alone.

    At last, someone else has noticed it. But this goes back a very long way, actually to Soviet times. At the 1982 World Cup ( Spain), the Soviet team management were remarkably candid and were complaining openly about the difficulty of getting the players match fit for a tournament starting in June. You would think that the Soviet/Russian season starts in March, so the players should be fresh. No, not even after a month in Central Asia. Club training methods were designed with peak fitness to be achieved in autumn.
    Since then, I have been struck by how lethargic and lacking in energy Soviet and Russian teams have been at major Championships. 2018 was a minor exception ( they were at home, after all), But this Championship, normal service was resumed. They flopped against Belgium, eked out a narrow win against Finland and were thrashed 4-1 by Denmark. In that game, they looked like the team that had played over winter ( nearly all Danish players play winter football ), not the Danes.
    So Russian methods ensure qualification for major tournaments, but flopping at them. You would think that changes to training methods would be long overdue. But there seems very strong resistance from the clubs. ( Ukraine has a similar problem)

    Contrast that with the present Italian team. For as long as I can remember, Italian teams have been lethargic at major tournaments ( 1982 excepted ). When they won the World Cup in 2006, they staggered over the line. However, the task force formed to combat the slump has changed all that. This is the fittest, most energetic Italian side I have ever seen. So changing training methods can get the desired results – just don’t ask the Russians to do it.

  341. @Anon

    What is so awesome about Djokovic as a specimen?

    He’s quite a good (fit and strong) sportsman for a vegan.

  342. @Paperback Writer

    I mean, I can understand the English booing Germany’s national anthem…. but Denmark?

    That is a tradition at Wembley: booing foreign anthems. No respect given to foreigners there.

  343. The endgame is more censorship and dispossession.

    This will add to what Joyce mentioned in his article about 2001 English race riots.

    Muzzling the media, disrupting White ethnic politics, and tougher legal punishments for White protest — this is how the government temporarily solved the problem of race riots in England.

    Thousands have already signed an online petition “calling for anyone found guilty of racist abuse to be banned from football matches for life.”

    It was set up by three women from a group that has also been pushing for an “Islamophobia” law.

  344. Had those three been playing for an African country and missed three penalties in a row at a major international final would they have the right to expect to be spared hateful comments, insults, curses, invective, hurt feelings and to have so many commiserate with them?

  345. British race and thier aus brothers are the most vile and despicable race in the world not surprised of the rioting in the stadium, you gave your genes and violent culture to american blacks and the rest of the races are getting attacked by blacks because of this violent british culture and the violent british gene the blacks learned from and inherited.

  346. Cutler says:

    I’m very happy Italy won the European Championships. They were the best team over the whole tournament scored the best goals had a much tougher route to the final and actually have a European team yes they have a couple Brazilians but their of Italian ancestry and chose to play for Italy.
    And they aren’t an embarrassment or insult to their nation like England’s kneelers.
    3 years undefeated too.

  347. @Anon

    No, but I can only imagine. I guess this was my last tournament rooting for England.

  348. @anon

    If you go back to the 96 Euro I got white players converting 24 of 31 penalties, and black players converting only 2 of 9. Wow

  349. res says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks! It looks like there is a problem with this one, but the overall point stands.

    World Cup 2006: England 0-0 Portugal AET (Portugal won 3-1 on penalties)

    Lampard missed
    Hargreaves scored
    Gerrard missed
    Carragher missed

    W 2/2

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  350. @Ali Choudhury

    Honestly, I don’t think race had a damn thing to do with their muffing the penalty kicks.

    It was simply the breaks. That’s sports for you.

    I’m just glad they did.

    (And… what does being English mean? That’s not for me to say.)

  351. @Verymuchalive

    Scotland have been the despair of this football-loving Englishman ever since I watched them just fail in 1974, when they drew with Brazil and Yugoslavia. But 1978 was the killer – getting stuffed 3-1 by unfancied Peru (Cubillas ! great player) after being a goal up, and then the awful 1-1 draw with Iran, then football unknowns.

    Last game was against the star team of the group, the Netherlands, Scotland needing to win by 3 clear goals to qualify – and they duly went one behind, before playing brilliantly (Gemmill I remember running the midfield as well as scoring twice) to go 3-1 up.

    Come on, Scotland, one more and you’re through!

    So of course they conceded and won 3-2 to send Ally’s Army home. Netherlands went on to the final. And all because they couldn’t beat Iran. Even their goal in that game was an Iranian own goal.

    “It’s not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It’s the hope I can’t stand.”

    https://www.moviemistakes.com/film3720/quotes

  352. @YetAnotherAnon

    One of the reasons for the “Black Boys Racist Abuse” story is to blot out the very real rioting by a small section of England “fans”. Only today ( Tuesday ) has the BBC deigned to report it.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57823364

    As the article says:
    Uefa has opened disciplinary proceedings into security breaches at the Euro 2020 final at Wembley.

    Fans fought with stewards and police as they attempted to break through gates for Sunday’s showcase event.
    Bullingham said on Monday the FA is to conduct a full review after a “large number of drunken yobs” tried to force their way into Wembley without tickets.
    He said the FA would work with the police to ban anyone who had forced their way in and to prevent such an event happening again.

    If this had involved Scotland “fans” outside Hampden, we would never have heard the end of it from the English Press. Yet, apart from World Cup 2018 ( thank you, Pres Putin ) , similar episodes involving England “fans” occur at nearly all Championships. Unlike the 1980s. this is now very much played down by the English Media. They’ve paid a lot of money for the product. so they’re not going to rubbish it

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  353. ATBOTL says:

    Nationalists and conservatives across Europe are starting to see blacks as just as much of a problem as muslims. There is growing anti-black sentiment that will start to come through more and more in the coming years. Expect clashes between hooligans and blacks to become common and more anti-black comments from right-wing politicians. Expect this at an ideological level too, with counter-jihad type narratives like Macron is flirting with expanding into counter-African narratives entering mainstream political discourse.

  354. @Jenner Ickham Errican

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    Anon spells it all out

  355. LondonBob says:
    @silviosilver

    The Hungary 1950s team remains the greatest ever, The Magical Magyars.

  356. @Verymuchalive

    While I don’t approve of what some fans did, the cheapest ticket prices for the game were £250 unless you registered with an obscure UEFA site which I can’t find, called Fans First which supposedly had 13,000 tickets.

    UEFA doubled minimum prices between 2016 and 2020 – have poor people’s incomes doubled in that time?

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  357. @PiltdownMan

    Variability is a function of the age and dispersion of the sport. Older grounds in or close to city centers tend to be smaller. Rebuilds are, like airports, further out and bigger. A great example of a bad real estate decision is when Everton, then the only team with a Stadium in the City of Liverpool, argued with the landlord about rent. They walked away, ten minutes across Stanley Park and built another ground; Goodison.
    The owner of now empty Anfield scared up another team to rent it and Liverpool FC was born.
    Everton has been second best for 90 % of the time since.
    They should have paid the extra ten bob.

  358. The Economist weighs in. They agree with us, here:

  359. anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Brit arrested for WrongTweeting. He claims his Twatter account was “hacked”, lol.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9787839/Savills-estate-agent-37-arrested-vile-racist-tweet-black-England-stars.html

    Three officers carrying evidence bags and a police radio could be seen searching Bone’s terraced home in Manchester today and spent 20 minutes gathering evidence before they left clutching a laptop. In a statement this afternoon, GMP said a suspect has been released under investigation.

    Detective Inspector Matt Gregory of the force’s Trafford division said: ‘The actions of a small number of people overshadowed what was a hugely unifying event for our country on Sunday evening. We are firm in our commitment, any racist abuse whether online or off is not acceptable.’

    I rather expect in the not too distant future that silence will be raycism, too. Instead of “please clap” it will be “clap…or else!!” Don’t be the first to stop clapping, either.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  360. Brutusale says:
    @res

    The best convert in the mid-90% area. There’s that guy again…

    https://www.chaseyoursport.com/Football/Best-Penalty-Takers-of-all-time/962

    Funny that two of the guys who converted for Italy are Juventus teammates of Ronaldo. They don’t get to take many when he’s on the pitch.

    You also don’t send out the young guys. I would hope that the managers of national teams would be aware of the statistics.

    https://sqaf.club/what-percentage-of-penalties-are-scored-stats/

    As in any sport, there are guys who want the ball and guys who want to hide at the end of the bench.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @res
  361. Brutusale says:
    @Verymuchalive

    He’s got the proper first name for a great Italian keeper.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianluigi_Buffon

    Not surprising, Steve, that pro soccer shows the same genetic predisposition as sports in the US.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Buffon

  362. anonymous[967] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale

    As in any sport, there are guys who want the ball and guys who want to hide at the end of the bench.

    Blacks tend to want the ball though.

  363. res says:
    @Brutusale

    Thanks. One thing I found interesting in your second link is that a 75% power shot was the sweet spot for scoring. Power 50/75/100% shots had scoring rates of 47/81/63% from this paper.
    http://yunus.hacettepe.edu.tr/~shazir/Analysis%20of%20penalties%20taken%20in%20shoot-outs.pdf

    Another tidbit from that paper.

    No shots above waist height were saved, although 18% of those shots missed.

    They collected an interesting variety of data for actions of the goalkeeper and penalty taker. See Tables 1 and 2.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  364. Bill B. says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Not true.

    1 The papers have reported that Saka was enthusiastic to take a penalty and asked the manager if he could. Southgate, the manager, was impressed by his “enthusiasm” and let him take one.

    2 Contrary to earlier reports the papers now say the teenage Saka’s penalty record in training was “mixed” ie not outstanding at all.

    3 Rashford has taken penalties for his club but had been “out of form” for some time and so hardly figured in the tournament. His problems appear at least partly mental (aside from being somewhat overrated) and he admitted afterwards he did not feel mentally at ease at the penalty kick.

    4 Rashford and the third black player were “cold” off the bench.

    5 Good, experienced players like Grealish had offered to take a penalty but were rejected.

    6 We will probably never know if Southgate deliberately picked three black players to round off the tournament win in glory but it is suspicious that this is how it turned out (without the glory) given that all three were late to the game (Saka) or non-players.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @Anon
  365. Things don’t always work out as planned.

  366. Matttt says:

    It’s interesting that Italy won the Euro and Argentina, a country with a substantial Italian population, won the Copa America. Maybe national soccer teams should be looking for Italian immigrants and sons of immigrants, instead of Africans.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  367. @res

    Yes my own purely personal perception is that the most effective type of penalty is a powerfully hit rising shot about 3 ft inside the post. This will be almost impossible for any goalkeeper to stop.

    Usually the goalkeepers dive into the bottom corners.

    Many penalty takers are successful by hitting a fairly soft shot into the bottom corner, but I believe that hitting a powerful rising shot makes it less stoppable, because the goalkeeper simply does not have time to see the ball.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  368. @Matttt

    Messi is a pretty good soccer player.

    • Replies: @Anon
  369. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    The results of searching Google images for “manchester stabbing” will not surprise anyone here. I’m sure Manchester police much prefer going after people for using rude words than dealing with that.

  370. Cortes says:
    @Bill B.

    It’s not surprising that you may harbour suspicions about the last-minute of ET substitutions (your Point 6) since one of the players removed – and looking not a little, er, cheesed-off – was Jordan Henderson, who had himself been brought on as a substitute to try to shore up England’s creaking midfield and defence. Henderson, of course, only capped a full recovery from long-term injury problems by leading Liverpool to English, European and World Club titles just 18 months ago, so what does he know about performance under pressure?

  371. Anon[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.

    4 Rashford and the third black player were “cold” off the bench.

    In other words, both were well rested and didn’t have to contend with having had to run hard for 2 hours straight in the summer heat.

  372. Anon[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Messi is a pretty good soccer player.

    Is he still using HGH?

  373. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Many penalty takers are successful by hitting a fairly soft shot into the bottom corner, but I believe that hitting a powerful rising shot makes it less stoppable

    But how much accuracy anyways is part of a soccer kick, even kicks by world class players? They are using a FOOT after all, and on a large, not uniformly textured, inflated ball.

    Could in large part be luck.

    Has anyone ever measured/studied accuracy in kicks?

  374. @YetAnotherAnon

    Thank you for the information. In a time of serious economic downturn. doubling the price of tickets seems crass and insensitive. No doubt Uefa would say that is to compensate for the loss of stadium capacity, but that’s just profiteering from a pandemic.

    Apparently, hundreds of fans got in without tickets.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/11/euro-2020-final-wembley-fans-break-barrier-england-italy
    On reflection, I would now say good luck to those who got in without a ticket.

    Football in Britain, as in nearly all the rest of Europe, is predicated on ever increasing revenue from ticket holders, television, advertising and merchandising. As a result many clubs are very poorly run, as there is little or no economic discipline. When the economic depression shortly comes, the effect on Football and other professional sports will be severe. For most, they will only have themselves to blame.

  375. 1John says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Ref. “black Englishmen”, English People r European aka White, English People r not African, Asian, Arab. Little wonder y the English r committing suicide fore they don’t even know what race they r.

  376. 1John says:
    @Steven Carr

    Ref. “white Italians”, Italian People r European aka White, Italian People r not African, Asian, Arab.

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