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Over the last half decade a vast amount of in-depth prestige press coverage has been devoted to the so-called “alt-right” while almost none has been devoted to “Antifa,” despite the latter being vastly larger and more favored by government officials, as we’ve seen this year in unfortunate cities such as Minneapolis, Madison, Seattle, and Portland.

For example, today in the New York Times, we see headlines:

And:

From this NYT Magazine article:

By Leah Sottile

Illustrations by Tomer Hanuka

August 19, 2020

… Antifa — shorthand for antifascist — can be used to classify anyone who opposes fascism. But there also exist loosely organized antifascist groups that have made their presence known at the street protests of the last few years, especially in the Pacific Northwest. Media exposure has fueled the creation of an absurd caricature on cable news and in the minds of Republican politicians, of a well-funded nationwide organization of combatants.

Wolf’s comments that day at the news conference were, perhaps, one point of origin for an Antifa panic that then began rippling out across the country. Soon, rumors were proliferating on social media: Vans filled with destructive antifascists were coming to small-town America, spreading looting and chaos. That evening, President Trump tweeted that he would be classifying Antifa as a terrorist group (something he does not have the authority to do). The next afternoon, Trump spoke at the White House Rose Garden as the sounds of tear gas and flash grenades echoed, scattering peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square. “Our nation has been gripped by professional anarchists, violent mobs, arsonists, looters, criminals, rioters, Antifa and others,” he said. He vowed to send federal troops to “stop the rioting and looting” and “to protect the rights of law-abiding Americans, including your Second Amendment rights.”

But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups. Christopher Wray, director of the F.B.I., told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing on F.B.I. oversight in July 2019 that his agency had recently arrested just as many domestic terrorists as it had foreign terrorists, and that a majority of the domestic terrorists investigated were white supremacists. And by this February, Wray said the F.B.I. had placed “racially motivated violent extremism” at the highest threat level and that “lone actor” terrorists were of top concern to the agency. He said that 2019 had been the deadliest year for domestic violent extremism since 1995, the year of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Amid the hysteria about nonexistent vans full of Antifa supersoldiers, actual heavily armed militia groups around the country stepped in to provide what they saw as protection to communities, often with the encouragement of lawmakers. In Montana, State Senator Jennifer Fielder took to Facebook on the night of June 1, warning her followers to be on the lookout for Antifa. “There were multiple reports from credible witnesses of five white panel vans filled with people believed to be Antifa,” she wrote. They had been spotted in a grocery-store parking lot in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, she wrote. No one got a photo. Her post went viral.

In reality, Antifa have been rioting for 83 days straight in downtown Portland.

But to the Newspaper of Record that’s not the point, the point is that the Real Menace is people who are worried about Antifa.

Actually, the Antifa phenomenon is pretty interesting. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism? Why are such a large percentage of the rioters — criminals who are so violent that they get arrested even in pro-violence Portland — transgender?

One possibility is that Oregon’s expansive transgender rights policies draw in crazy people from around the country (or world). From Wikipedia’s article “LGBT Rights in Oregon:”

In January 2013, as part of an out-of-court settlement in a discrimination suit with a public employee related to medical insurance coverage of a gender assignment surgical procedure, the state agreed to provide full medical insurance coverage for all such surgeries, drugs, and related treatments for individuals covered on public employee health plans.[19]

Since 2014, sex reassignment surgery has not been a requirement to change the gender marker on an Oregon birth certificate. Transgender individuals can apply to change legal gender solely by request.[20] In addition, in August 2014, state officials announced that Oregon Medicaid would shortly begin covering hormone therapy and other treatments related to sex reassignment.[21]

On June 10, 2016, an Oregon circuit court ruled that a resident could legally change their gender to non-binary. The Transgender Law Center believed this to be “the first ruling of its kind in the U.S.”[22] Since July 1, 2017, the Oregon Department of Motor Vehicles has offered a third choice for gender on licenses and IDs: “X” designating a neutral or non-binary gender identity.[23] The “X” option is also available for birth certificates.[12]

In May 2017, a bill passed the Oregon Legislative Assembly to abolish the 1991 requirement for transgender people to publish their names in newspapers before they can undergo a legal change of sex on government documents. This requirement was viewed as a breach of privacy and a safety risk for transgender people.[24] In January 2019, Representative Karin Power introduced a bill to amend a 1951 Oregon mental health law that equated “transvestites” with paedophilia. In April 2019, the bill passed the Legislative Assembly by a vote of 58-2 in the House and 29-0 with 1 excused in the Senate. Governor Kate Brown signed it into law on May 6.[25][26][27]

It would be reassuring to think that there is a fixed number of deranged people in the population and that Oregon has generously offered to take on more than its fair share. And that the men who claim to be women who have thus relocated to Portland are also attracted, due to their general viciousness of character, to Antifa.

But perhaps, more alarmingly, Oregon’s Transgender Privilege policies are creating more violent maniacs?

Does anybody know? Is anybody interested in finding out?

 
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  1. while almost none has been devoted to “Antifa,”

    And even fewer talk about

    1. Jews rule the US and control the media narrative.

    2. Jewish Power promotes and protects Antifa.

  2. I’ve read many articles over the last few decades about transsexuals, and it used to be that they were harmless people who ill-advisedly sought to cure a psychiatric illness by means of surgery. Until the last year or so, I’d never heard of any of them being involved in violence. Until about five years ago, they were politically invisible as far as I can tell. I remember Steve reporting World War T as a new phenomenon around 2014/2015.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Rob McX


    I’ve read many articles over the last few decades about transsexuals, and it used to be that they were harmless people who ill-advisedly sought to cure a psychiatric illness by means of surgery. Until the last year or so, I’d never heard of any of them being involved in violence.
     
    American trannys and those transitioning have always been violent due to inner rage. But it was not politically directed or connected. They would just act out as they congregated on street corners waiting for paying customers. Getting violent with each other and their cruise by clientele.

    Remember when Eddie Murphy was involved with Los Angeles street trannys about 12 years ago? This hetero dude who had a great sex oriented docu-movie called Raw which was extremely funny. Peak Eddie. He has 8 or so children with various genuine women. What a laff and a half!

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Rob McX

    One category of trannies seem to be middle aged guys who used a lot of steroids/PEDs when younger to compete at high levels in masculine athletic sports or military endeavors. This was even noted in the 1980s movie The World According to Garp, where the one tranny in the women's group is a large ex-NFL player . It's played for humor and shock value, but I think the filmmakers knew at least one dude in that category.

    , @Thomas
    @Rob McX

    The Christine Jourgensen types decades ago were a different breed. The modern strain has just become a magnet for disturbed and angry people. There's always something in the Zeitgeist that attracts cranks.

    Add in some elements of lower pop- and internet culture. Modern transgenderism is partially driven by video games, anime, girl on girl porn, feminization kink stuff, etc.

    Replies: @Svigor, @James O'Meara

  3. Women in the White Nationalist movement?! Ha! They only wish. If they were to get just a handful of hotties they could get big enough to take up at least one white Econoline van and be worthy of an FBI “wire”tap. The hotties would likely be employees of said FBI though, is the only thing …

    It would be reassuring to think that there is a fixed number of deranged people in the population and that Oregon has generously offered to take on more than its fair share. And that the men who claim to be women who have thus relocated to Portland are also attracted, due to their general viciousness of character, to Antifa.

    It’d be nice if that were the case – the Governor could order a pallet of straight jackets straight off amazon, and take care of this in one evening. Please note that though the laws relaxing requirements on genderbenders are State laws, most of Oregon is very conservative. The conservative 95% of the State, area wise, is overwhelmed by the deranged voters in Portland…. OK, Eugene, Ashland maybe …

    You are onto something, Steve, with this preponderance of genderbenders being part of these riots. I noted from the last post that Jesse guy(?) rioting every night. What a combination – the emotions of a women with the muscle mass of a man!

    • Agree: Dieter Kief, Kronos
    • Replies: @36 ulster
    @Achmed E. Newman

    MUSCLE mass??

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Achmed E. Newman


    What a combination – the emotions of a women with the muscle mass of a man!
     
    It does make a shrewd sense. - That's also close to what the ex-martial-arts-fighter Joe Rogan gets really upset about: Self-declared "women" fighting biological women in real-world competitions and beating them into shattered pieces. Unbelievable.

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @James O'Meara
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "The conservative 95% of the State, area wise, is overwhelmed by the deranged voters in Portland"

    I hear this sort of thing all the time, for various states. How, EXACTLY, are the wishes of the 95% being ignored? Do they not vote? In that case, fuck 'em. Is the vote rigged? In that case, where's the Justice Department?

    It's one thing to complain about ringers being imported from Somalia, but how are these "sleeping giants" or "silent minorities" being disinfranchised?

    Replies: @Rosie, @Achmed E. Newman

  4. Imagine two pieces of advice to an obviously distressed person:

    1. You’re fine, you are you and you can relax, you just need to accept things.

    2. You’re not fine, but you will be, after you are genitally mutilated, chemically castrated and the whole of society is torn down in order to distract you from your pain.

    I wonder which one will help people more 🤔

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I wonder which one will help people more 🤔

    ArmaLite.

    , @Exador
    @Not Only Wrathful

    And don't forget, "Once you've changed, this whole community will love you and tell you how BRAVE and GOOD you are." People like to belong. Lonely, ill people even more so.

  5. Could this be related to specific hormone regimes prescribed in Portland such as Estrogen without T-blocker Spiro that’s messing up with their heads more than usual?

  6. The “Sisters in Hate” review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here’s the beginning: “As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred.”

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Tono Bungay


    “We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016....”
     
    Why when I read that sentence do I feel like she wanted to finish it up by adding “...and we know who you are and where you live.”

    The implicit and explicit threats against conservatives are getting to be be quite the thing. It started after the Prop 8 vote in California but it has gotten exponentially worse.

    Replies: @mousey, @J.Ross

    , @Pop Warner
    @Tono Bungay


    Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred.”
     
    On any other day the Sulzberger Times would be denouncing such "misogynist" characterizations of women, taking pride in those women who act most masculine in all manners. But as soon as it's about ebil white nationalist women then they're concerned that a woman might not be meek and genteel, even though their characterization makes no sense. The "white nationalist" or conservative women they decry likely are more feminine than your average op ed writer for the times, but since being pro-white is the equivalent to tattooing a swastika on your forehead and curb stomping blacks then they could never understand how a precious, pure female could possibly be into that.

    They're so blinded by the caricatures they craft for their narrative that journalists are rendered incapable of explaining even the most basic motivations for being pro-white. Though that's probably by design

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Elmer T. Jones
    @Tono Bungay

    "Still,..."

    Female writing. Fingernails on chalkboard. One can almost feel the testicles shrinking as you read it. "wrapping our heads" is a bit of a conceit as well.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    , @El Dato
    @Tono Bungay


    women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred
     
    Local women should step up to the plate when menfolk are about to drop pants and get slaughtered by muscular hordes. This has been known since Vinland.

    https://i.postimg.cc/RVbDz0Kq/Thorfin-in-Vinland-Jos-Bielsa-Jacques-Bastian.jpg

    “It’s possible to acknowledge the rampant, persistent sexism of the far right while also giving women the credit they deserve. … We risk stripping them of responsibility when we suggest that the harm they do is merely a way of coping with their own oppression.”
     
    A measurement principle never to be applied to you know who.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Colin Wright
    @Tono Bungay

    '... Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred.”'

    ...it's so unlike those gentle, nurturing Jewish women we've all become so familiar with over the past century. Start with Emma Goldman and keep going.

    Hard to wrap our head around it indeed. The sheer hypocrisy is stunning.

    , @Lurker
    @Tono Bungay


    women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred
     
    For most of them it's not supremacist and not hatred.
    , @James O'Meara
    @Tono Bungay

    "whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. "

    Classic example of the turgid prose produced by people trying to make tautologies like "Trump supports want him to win" into statement of Lovecraftian foreboding.

    Replies: @Svigor

    , @James O'Meara
    @Tono Bungay

    "women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred"

    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that "gentle and nurturing" becomes "totalitarian" in the political realm, and that women --- left or right -- shouldn't be let anywhere near a ballot box.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie, @Anonymous

    , @Beavertales
    @Tono Bungay

    "women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred.”

    Meddling with politics would be so much easier if women and evangelicals would vote the way they're urged to by the legacy news media. These two blocs were supposed to be the most reliable to manipulate in elections, yet they voted for Trump in 2016.

    The editorialists are doubling down on the same strategy in 2020, hoping to bring women and evangelicals back to being their mindless b!tches every four years.

  7. It appears that when the antifa transgenders stray too far from the pack, they are at risk of getting picked off by the roving blm thugs.

    I think the guy who got knocked out initially got involved to help out a transgender person who was getting robbed. Poor choice.

    I think he’s the one with the blue shirt.

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @wren
    @wren

    I would guess that the same transgender person who was attacked by the blm thugs and their girlfriends would attack a person with a maga hat if that person got separated from their friends and were surrounded by a mob of antifa.

    That is a guess though.

    , @Federalist
    @wren

    Is there a difference between BLM and antifa?

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @wren

    "roving blm thugs"

    Packs of blacks hunting for lone or soft targets. How unusual. Black men are fearless warriors.

    , @Daniel H
    @wren

    ".....viciousness of character..."

    When initially confronted by the black dudes the trannie pulls out and brandishes a switchblade like device. Talk about taking a confrontation from zero to 60 in 3 seconds. Didn't do any good though, the black thugs disarm the trannie, steal his skateboard and backpack and leave him a weeping, quivering mess. Dude's gonna have a hard time in prison, even if he is sent to the ladies' lockup.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Dave
    @wren

    At the end we see a white pickup truck and a white crew-cut cis-man dressed in blue. Hope that guy doesn't get dragged out of his truck and beaten into a coma for trying to help the poor tranny.

    Replies: @wren

  8. Does anybody know? Is anybody interested in finding out?

    Do we know? – Yes.

    Could we find out more? – We always will. The question is: Who are we?

    The usual thoughtline goes like this: Left is good, being right is Nazi. – That’s a the basis of almost every liberal or mainsztream political statement in the Western world. The rest follows from this predisposition.

    I point out a few aspects of what follows

    We have a measure for good (=left/liberal/woke/diverse) and bad (right, conservative, male, white) – such measures people strive for.

    What we have is a simple measure for good and bad – something people crave for – especially in nervous times (as ours – cf. climate change, Black Lives Matter, The Orange Man stealing mail boxes (Al Gore found thet out, too), CO-19). Jordan B. Peterson repeated this time and time again. Camille Paglia too… (there’s a nice talk of these two about the unholy simplicity of the woke/postmodern/deconstrcutivist mindeset – still online).

    Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now – being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist…) concepts.

    People tied to their feelings and chopped off of tradition lose the posssibility to control themselves.

    People with a lack of socially induced control tied to their feelings (their “self”) are – by the very nature of our biological heritage – caught in primal drives (Freud). These are at times fun, or fun and cruel (Antifa) and at times simply cruel – but offer not much in between. Very simple concepts of human life have their limits, unfortunately. –

    – More differentiated concepts are harder to grasp and more rewarding (that’s what Freud advocates for in Civilization and its Discontents even though. Read rather closely, one finds, that Freud thinks, that patience and insistence are the most effective weapons for anybody who wants to improve the civilizational process. – Woody Guthry had a slogan once on his guitar, which read: This Machine Kills Fascists. – Might sound a bit forced here, but i think, Woody hinted in Freuds direction. And – yes, such Guthry-machines kill all kinds of ill-adviced and ill-tempered Antifa-activists too.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @Dieter Kief

    Good points. Progressives tend to align against the "objective" itself b/c objectivity itself is a "restraint". Freedom for these people is subjective & all about casting off restraint, & indulging in a self conscious orgy of feeling & fantasy (ie of unlimited possibility, unrestrained by physical determinations)
    "Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now – being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist…) concepts.
    People tied to their feelings and chopped off of tradition lose the posssibility to control themselves."
    What a godsend Floyd's death has been -- riot, larceny, violence sanctified by the religion of "black suffering - white guilt.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @Dieter Kief

    I see it a different way.


    People with a lack of socially induced control tied to their feelings
     
    How these rioters express their feelings is largely socially controlled. You are just as much socially controlled when you react against everything as when you react with it. There's no driving force coming up through "you" in either case.

    The root of the problem is that the greatest part of our passions are obscured from us, which means that these rioters see the 1% above the surface and immediately invalidate themselves through rationalising it to be about everyone else.

    Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now – being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist…) concepts.
     
    What it means and what is actually describes are very different things.

    These people are always talking about past wrongs, and can almost never bring themselves to exist in the present.

    Nor is it as simple as to say they "feel". We all feel. Even those of us who are immensely repressed, those just push it well out of their sight.

    Instead, it is truer to say that the rioters lack any sort of steady and welcoming awareness of their own feelings.

    They are unable to observe them for more than a split second, before they invalidate their complete self and blame whatever it is they think they have spotted on everyone else.

    This is where their endless outraged irrationalism comes in. They are desperate to come up with reasons, any reasons at all, to run from themselves, and if those reasons can be blamed on whatever they have decided is the other, then even better.

    Once you realise that they invalidate their true feelings first and foremost, you will understand why they are haunted by phantoms of repression.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  9. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    It takes an aggressive personality to actually mutilate yourself. Meek people are too cowardly to do it. Therefore, when an aggressive person cannot solve their emotional problems by a surgical gender change, they tend to take out their anger and frustration on everyone and everything else.

    These people would be a pain in the butt and a nuisance to society even if they weren’t trannies.

  10. They have to push fear of rightwing militias in order to justify their growing tyranny.

    The Soviets pretended the Polish Military Organization was a big threat even though it was gone by 1921. Per Wiki:

    Although the PMO was disbanded in 1921, Soviet authorities claimed that it continued to exist; during the Great Purge of 1936-38 and as early as 1933, many people of Polish nationality were charged with membership in it

    This led to Soviet NKVD Order № 00485 which was effective at killing over 100,000 people.

    The Soviet NKVD Order № 00485 was an anti-Polish ethnic cleansing campaign issued on August 11, 1937 which laid the foundation for the systematic elimination of the Polish minority in the Soviet Union between 1937 and 1938

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @RichardTaylor

    You imply that they are merely cynical and don't believe the reasons they give. That is a wrong implication even while what you write is partly true

    , @Ben tillman
    @RichardTaylor

    This was a valuable comment. Thanks.

  11. @wren
    It appears that when the antifa transgenders stray too far from the pack, they are at risk of getting picked off by the roving blm thugs.

    I think the guy who got knocked out initially got involved to help out a transgender person who was getting robbed. Poor choice.

    I think he's the one with the blue shirt.

    https://www.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295264755712528384

    Replies: @wren, @Federalist, @SunBakedSuburb, @Daniel H, @Dave

    I would guess that the same transgender person who was attacked by the blm thugs and their girlfriends would attack a person with a maga hat if that person got separated from their friends and were surrounded by a mob of antifa.

    That is a guess though.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  12. This right here is why Trump’s continued success is absolutely vital: it discredits the media. Plenty of nice normal people still naively trust that the newspapers are accurate, and they need to be disabused of this notion as fast as possible.

  13. Remember Q’Anon who believe that Trump is actually a turbo Bannon ready to take out corruption in DC? Trump has said he is sympathetic to their desires. Here is how the media reports it.

  14. “Extremely online?”

    I can see they’re skilled at diagnosing their own diseases in the Other…

    I still doubt it’s likely many Americans, whether or not they compose copy for the NY Times, would possess any awareness of AntiFa, unless they grew up in a college town (Berkeley, Ann Arbor) or had an honest-to-God Joe Hill groupie with the black cat tattoo among their extended relatives. It’s just not cool enough on its own, to find out about accidentally via other outlets

  15. It’s about sexual deviance in general. If you examine the histories of Antifa members, you’ll find a much higher than average number of deviants, sex pests and pedos. The hope, that come the revolution, they’ll get to indulge thier deviances.

    • Agree: Aeronerauk
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Zoodles


    It’s about sexual deviance in general. If you examine the histories of Antifa members, you’ll find a much higher than average number of deviants, sex pests and pedos. The hope, that come the revolution, they’ll get to indulge thier deviances.
     
    Any extreme political movement will attract unstable people. Some of those unstable people will be inclined to violence. In the case of antifa it's not just people with sexual/gender issues. Antifa also attracts vegans, and vegans tend to be highly unstable.

    If you look at antifa or the alt-right or extremist environmental groups you'll find lots of unstable people. Extremism attracts extreme people.

    You'll see something similar in wacky religious cults.

    Extremist groups (including religious cults) also tend to attract both sexual libertines and sexual puritans. Feminism includes both libertines and puritans. The alt-right attracts sexual puritans.
  16. The NYT is prefabricating a scapegoat (boogaloos) for when some lone antifa-cell does something awful (roadside bomb, set somebody on fire, beat someone to death, etc). They will just say “sources tell us” boogaloos did it, and so on….

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  17. The emergence of white nationalism must drive our elites nuts because it shows the limits of their utopian social engineering. Instead white nationalism has grown organically, spontaneously, across a wide spectrum of white society, and without any central planning to make it happen – indeed, in defiance of central planning. You could probably accurately call it a Hayekian phenomenon.

    By contrast, it requires ideology, central planning and the use of brute force to try to make “racism” go away. The white “racist” lives more in harmony with man’s nature than the white liberal who lives in constant anxiety about adhering to an arbitrary and constantly changing standard regarding how to treat people outside of his tribe.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @advancedatheist

    California is the 2nd most non-white state in the union. The state is 35% non-Hispanic white compared to 59% for the US as a whole. However, whites despite being a minority in California did not go tribal. Rather 60% of whites voted for Hillary in 2016. There is no hint of white nationalism in California. And, white nationalism is definitely not surging to any significant presence in the US. The rest of the country is 40 years away from California.

    Replies: @Svigor, @anon

  18. Actually, the Antifa phenomenon is pretty interesting. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism?

    It’s pretty simple, I think. Antifa are communists. Karl Marx envisioned communism as an era of infinite freedom, in which people could do whatever they actually want, instead of being subject to the social restraints and discipline associated with doing bourgeois work.

    Marx envisioned this as a good thing, but what we have seen in reality is that when people don’t have to work to support themselves and can do whatever they please, it often provides a license to exhibit sociopathological, deviant, and perverted behavior.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Dr. X

    The TradCaths and Neocons better rethink their promotion of Josef Pieper's Leisure: The Basis of Culture.

  19. The point is that the TG agenda is stealth eugenics. You get the distressed/mentally ill/autistic/unstable and you convince them to voluntarily take themselves out of the gene pool. (Yes, a lot of the older men in it have had kids, but they’re obsessed with getting the next generations young.)

    Obviously, a social trend (TG) designed to attract and sterilise/mutilate the most mentally ill is going to attract unstable people. Obviously, a social movement that depends on a group of unstable/jobless sorts to act like lunatics is going to attract the most mentally ill. Combined with the fact that the same people, at the top level, are organising it, and the combination makes sense.

    A man at one of Canada’s (? I think) premier gender dysphoria clinics, someone with vast experience in the field and who believes that transition can be a solution to a minority of cases, was hounded from his job a whole back. Why? Because, based on his vast experience, he advocated “watchful waiting” and dealing with existing emotional and social issues, rather than immediately starting hormones and surgery. Most cases desist, and wind up gay or lesbian, or at least gender nonconforming.

    He also advocated giving men who transition breast implants rather than dosing them with cross sex hormones to induce “breasts”. Because he cared deeply for his patients and didn’t want to induce heart attacks and cancers. God forbid people in severe distress get careful, well thought out care, amirite?

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jesse

    Johns Hopkins in Baltimore did a lot of tranny surgery starting in the 70s. Followups showed that these "guys" were no happier than before, and some much more unhappy, so they stopped.

    Replies: @anon, @Ancient Briton

  20. Well, if you mutilate your own body to pretend you are a different sex, why wouldn’t you mutilate a city under the delusion this will create a more congenial world?

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @Henry Canaday

    It's only a theory.
    But I wonder -- as the world becomes more fundamentally "feminised" will more men seek to assimilate into this female power structure via the most basic move of becoming physically female? (esp' given continuing advances in surgery & drugs needed to facilitate such sex "changes")?

    , @Jane Plain
    @Henry Canaday

    Get with the program.

    It used to be called "sex reassignment surgery." It is now called "gender confirmation surgery."

    Why is the word surgery used at all?

    Replies: @3g4me

  21. Three years ago my kids and I started our annual summer road trip in Portland because I had never been to the PNW before. We drove around Oregon and Washington and Idaho for several days before flying home from another airport.

    Loved all of it EXCEPT being on the street in Portland and Seattle. Both places literally felt like they were occupied by crazies. Weird “Antifa looking” type people standing on street corners. Homeless people and camps everywhere. Drug paraphernalia all over the sidewalks. Political graffiti. Hippie professional types who just ignored the weirdness around them. It all just felt off.

    The suburbs of both were fine. The countryside was fine. The highways were fine. Tourist attractions were fine. The weather was gorgeous (on the coast, at least). Beautiful scenery. Normal looking farms and fields. Lots of really nice “normal rednecks” outside of the cities.

    But on the street in the cities themselves, it was VERY unsettling. It did not feel like America to me.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @JR Ewing

    JR, one of our favorite trips was to fly to San Francisco, stay a few days, drive up to Seattle stay a few days and fly home. Two of America's best tourist destinations turned to trash. Dogs in SF have to watch they don't step in human shit. This is sad.

    Replies: @Marty, @JR Ewing, @Reg Cæsar

    , @S. Anonyia
    @JR Ewing

    I’ve been through the countryside of Oregon and found the people unsettling and unfriendly. This was almost 10 years ago. Also marked the first time I saw a transgender person, in line at a small town grocery store. He/she was balding.

  22. @Dieter Kief

    Does anybody know? Is anybody interested in finding out?
     
    Do we know? - Yes.

    Could we find out more? - We always will. The question is: Who are we?

    The usual thoughtline goes like this: Left is good, being right is Nazi. - That's a the basis of almost every liberal or mainsztream political statement in the Western world. The rest follows from this predisposition.


    I point out a few aspects of what follows


    We have a measure for good (=left/liberal/woke/diverse) and bad (right, conservative, male, white) - such measures people strive for.

    What we have is a simple measure for good and bad - something people crave for - especially in nervous times (as ours - cf. climate change, Black Lives Matter, The Orange Man stealing mail boxes (Al Gore found thet out, too), CO-19). Jordan B. Peterson repeated this time and time again. Camille Paglia too... (there's a nice talk of these two about the unholy simplicity of the woke/postmodern/deconstrcutivist mindeset - still online).

    Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now - being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist...) concepts.

    People tied to their feelings and chopped off of tradition lose the posssibility to control themselves.

    People with a lack of socially induced control tied to their feelings (their "self") are - by the very nature of our biological heritage - caught in primal drives (Freud). These are at times fun, or fun and cruel (Antifa) and at times simply cruel - but offer not much in between. Very simple concepts of human life have their limits, unfortunately. -

    - More differentiated concepts are harder to grasp and more rewarding (that's what Freud advocates for in Civilization and its Discontents - even though. Read rather closely, one finds, that Freud thinks, that patience and insistence are the most effective weapons for anybody who wants to improve the civilizational process. - Woody Guthry had a slogan once on his guitar, which read: This Machine Kills Fascists. - Might sound a bit forced here, but i think, Woody hinted in Freuds direction. And - yes, such Guthry-machines kill all kinds of ill-adviced and ill-tempered Antifa-activists too.

    Replies: @animalogic, @Not Only Wrathful

    Good points. Progressives tend to align against the “objective” itself b/c objectivity itself is a “restraint”. Freedom for these people is subjective & all about casting off restraint, & indulging in a self conscious orgy of feeling & fantasy (ie of unlimited possibility, unrestrained by physical determinations)
    “Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now – being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist…) concepts.
    People tied to their feelings and chopped off of tradition lose the posssibility to control themselves.”
    What a godsend Floyd’s death has been — riot, larceny, violence sanctified by the religion of “black suffering – white guilt.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @animalogic


    Freedom for these people is subjective & all about casting off restraint
     
    Jonathan Franzen's subject in - - - - his novel Freedom.

    And Hegel's subject at times too. In Hegel's words: Freedom is insight into necessity. - He binds freedom and reality together (= Steve Sailer is a Hegelian).
  23. Prefatory to a (hopefully, maybe) more systematic analysis in a later comment, here are just some scattered observations, just information that needs to be ingested before one ventures further….

    1. There are no actual fascists in America, or pretty much anywhere else in the world really, and there are also no actual Nazis. Marginalized, powerless, mentally ill people who dress up in stupid costumes are not an actual political force in America. People with dopey swastika tattoos who dress up in wacky uniforms do not go to Harvard, they don’t get to write for the New York Times, they don’t get AIPAC-funded seats in Congress, and none of them has ever had enough clout to start a trillion-dollar self-interested war in Iraq. Politically speaking, so-called “fascists” and “Nazis” do not actually exist.

    2. The fact that every once in a while, an innocent person gets attacked or injured by a couple of costume-wearing weirdos is unfortunate, but it’s not a “threat,” and it’s certainly not “domestic terrorism” (a meaningless propaganda phrase). It is simply a statistical aberration. If you look at Paul Kersey’s blog on this very site, you will find pretty much daily instances of White people being raped, murdered, and terrorized by blacks, all with a rather obvious race-based motivation. There is no such massive documentation of any kind of behavior like this done by the imaginary Nazis or the FBI/ADL-imaginary Ku Klux Klan. White people who wander in to black neighborhoods get actually raped and murdered. Black people who wander into White neighborhoods get microaggressions.

    3. The people who style themselves Antifa or anti-fascist are really against leprechauns, unicorns and flying monkeys. There are no fascists or Nazis to oppose: they are doing this because they either want to be in a gang, but don’t have the cojones or the cred to join the Crips or the LKs; they’re nerds who are looking to get laid by making up this macho tuff-guy routine; they want to feel self-righteous by burning witches and slaying zombies; they are historically illiterate and have no background in moral reasoning; they think they’re still marching for Cibil rights in 1963, or fighting an imaginary Holocaust; or all of the above.

    4. Oregon, as a state, is about the size of the UK, but it only has one major city, Portland, which isn’t really that big. The entire PNW if you include Idaho and so on is bigger than England France combined, but only has two real cities, Seattle and Portland. That means that these places are collection centers for every sort of disaffected weirdo who couldn’t get to Paris or London.

    5. Cities like NYC, LA, (or even Chicago and San Francisco) are full of hipsters who are looking to get into The Business, or make it in the Big Time. There is no Big Time in Portland, yet it’s full of hipsters, looking to make a reputation. This creates an energy problem.

    More later.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, jon
    • Thanks: Muggles
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Portland has for years had a reputation in computer circles for being full of pot heads. Too much of today's pot can make you crazy especially if you tend that way.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @anon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    they are historically illiterate and have no background in moral reasoning; they think they’re still marching for Cibil rights in 1963,
     
    In the 60's the Left had 3 "moral"' positions: anti-war, anti-Wall Street, and for civil rights.
    They sold out on the war and Wall Street issues, so civil rights is the only claim they have left on a moral position.
    These boomer liberals running the Democratic party are morally corrupt and live only for status. Race politics gives them an illusion of being noble and unselfish. They are cowards re-living a decades-old march on the Selma bridge so some of the moral glory will rub off on themselves. They are corrupt and pathetic.
    Good moral reasoning isn't about right vs. wrong. It's about competing goods, competing evils, and the complex trade-offs ethical people have to make. Good ethics isn't just about how the strong treat the weak. Good ethics includes respect for the strong and the virtues that go with it. Good ethics includes honest appraisal of faults of the weak.
    , @sayless
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    That was helpful, Germ Theory, thanks.

  24. @Henry Canaday
    Well, if you mutilate your own body to pretend you are a different sex, why wouldn’t you mutilate a city under the delusion this will create a more congenial world?

    Replies: @animalogic, @Jane Plain

    It’s only a theory.
    But I wonder — as the world becomes more fundamentally “feminised” will more men seek to assimilate into this female power structure via the most basic move of becoming physically female? (esp’ given continuing advances in surgery & drugs needed to facilitate such sex “changes”)?

  25. The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called “Antifa.” Boomer conservatives decrying the Antifa Menace sound as out-of-touch as liberals who think there’s such a thing as “The KKK.”

    Just say anarchists.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @anon
    @Roderick Spode

    The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called “Antifa.”

    Because anarchists generally don't form centralized organizations. Weasel much?

    Antifa do form orgs. Here's one example:

    https://www.rosecityantifa.org/

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @Robert Dolan
    @Roderick Spode

    You don't know what you're talking about.

    Antifa have Twitter and FB accounts and they have serious funding.

    They are supported by the ADL/ DNC/FBI/SPLC, etc.

    James O'Keefe revealed their organized training sessions.

    They are communist filth.

    You are no more convincing than Jerry Nadler.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode

    , @AnotherDad
    @Roderick Spode


    The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called “Antifa.” Boomer conservatives decrying the Antifa Menace sound as out-of-touch as liberals who think there’s such a thing as “The KKK.”
     
    AFAICT, yeah there's no centralized "organization". But it's a real movement of street thuggery in service of minoritarianism, and the super-state. It provides the ability to attack conservatives, traditionalists, deplorables and create disorder for minoritarians, that state functionaries can choose to ignore, tolerate or even encourage.

    In contrast, liberals talking about the KKK today are just engaging in fantasy. But in 50s there was a real third Klan that allowed violent resistance to the "Civil Rights" movement to go on "off the books".
  26. @Rob McX
    I've read many articles over the last few decades about transsexuals, and it used to be that they were harmless people who ill-advisedly sought to cure a psychiatric illness by means of surgery. Until the last year or so, I'd never heard of any of them being involved in violence. Until about five years ago, they were politically invisible as far as I can tell. I remember Steve reporting World War T as a new phenomenon around 2014/2015.

    Replies: @Clyde, @R.G. Camara, @Thomas

    I’ve read many articles over the last few decades about transsexuals, and it used to be that they were harmless people who ill-advisedly sought to cure a psychiatric illness by means of surgery. Until the last year or so, I’d never heard of any of them being involved in violence.

    American trannys and those transitioning have always been violent due to inner rage. But it was not politically directed or connected. They would just act out as they congregated on street corners waiting for paying customers. Getting violent with each other and their cruise by clientele.

    Remember when Eddie Murphy was involved with Los Angeles street trannys about 12 years ago? This hetero dude who had a great sex oriented docu-movie called Raw which was extremely funny. Peak Eddie. He has 8 or so children with various genuine women. What a laff and a half!

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Clyde

    Anyone who's disaffected is ripe to be taken up (aufheben, as Hegel would say, taken up AND transformed) by the left and twisted into a violent, anti-establishment ingrate looking to "smash the power".

    This is what happened to homosexuals after Stonewall (US) and Wolfenden (UK): rather than openly supporting order and culture (like say Plato or Noel Coward) they were radicalized by the Left.

    Before that, women. From votes and divorce (reasonable) to abortion on demand, kill all men, smash patriarchy, etc.

    The Right, for some reason, either never figures this out to forestall it, or can't figure out how to do it: e.g., their failure to actually add Hispanics or Asians as "natural conservatives."

    It may be that conservatives are just unattractive people.

  27. Well, if you mutilate your own body to pretend you are a different sex, why wouldn’t you mutilate a city under the delusion this will create a more congenial world?

    Mutilate as far as injections of female hormones that get them sprouting female breasts? Because most are cowardly fakers. As in they never get the big chop down below. I doubt Bruce Jenner has. His nuttiness is an obsession with wearing women’s clothing and clip clopping around in high heels. Brucie was wearing female under garments 30 years when married to a woman who gave him 2-3 children.

    There is a thin line between Tranny and Transitioning. Without the big chop you are on this borderline. What unites the two is wanting to play dress up as women.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  28. But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups.

    Who would have thought we’d see a day when “report” had become a synonym for “lie”?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Ben tillman

    I've thought it for a long time. Indeed, it's even worse than that little quote.



    Wolf’s comments that day at the news conference were, perhaps, one point of origin for an Antifa panic that then began rippling out across the country. Soon, rumors were proliferating on social media: Vans filled with destructive antifascists were coming to small-town America, spreading looting and chaos.
     

     
    This in fact happens with some frequency, though antifa generally loses the encounter. Whether or not they arrived in vans, I can't say.


    That evening, President Trump tweeted that he would be classifying Antifa as a terrorist group (something he does not have the authority to do).
     

     
    Is that true? Someone in the government classifies groups as terrorists. If it is not anyone in the executive branch, who is it? For Foreign Terrorist Organizations, the Department of State, a department of the Executive Branch, does it, so the Exec branch can do it for foreign orgs. Are domestics different? (It probably is true that Trump did not follow through though.)


    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups.
     

     
    Citation needed.


    Christopher Wray, director of the F.B.I., told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing on F.B.I. oversight in July 2019 that his agency had recently arrested just as many domestic terrorists as it had foreign terrorists, and that a majority of the domestic terrorists investigated were white supremacists.
     

     
    Inasmuch as the FBI arrests of foreign terrorists are hovering around zero, combined with the bias of authorities that foreigners gunning down rooms full of Americans is "workplace violence" while you posting an opinion on the internet is "domestic trerrorism" make this statement meaningless.


    And by this February, Wray said the F.B.I. had placed “racially motivated violent extremism” at the highest threat level and that “lone actor” terrorists were of top concern to the agency. He said that 2019 had been the deadliest year for domestic violent extremism since 1995, the year of the Oklahoma City bombing.
     

     
    Presumably this is the anti-Mexican El Paso shooting. Something tells me antifa/BLM-related killings don't appear on Wray's terrorism radar.

    By the way, is anyone keeping track of all the terrorism and hate-killings that the authorities deny are terrorism and hate killings?



    Amid the hysteria about nonexistent vans full of Antifa supersoldiers,
     

     
    Haha, yeah it's true that Antifa supersoldiers are nonexistent...


    actual heavily armed militia groups around the country stepped in to provide what they saw as protection to communities, often with the encouragement of lawmakers.
     

     
    Remind me, did violent antifa and BLM rioters and criminals receive any "encouragement" from lawmakers? How about active collaboration with government officials? Or maybe some of them are actual government officials? I'm just trying to remember...

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Ben tillman, @jon

    , @J.Ross
    @Ben tillman

    >report
    >experts say
    >studies show
    >according to scientists
    >in the polls
    >people are taking to the streets in outrage because
    >sources close to the subject say
    >this is NPR
    = lying.

  29. @Dieter Kief

    Does anybody know? Is anybody interested in finding out?
     
    Do we know? - Yes.

    Could we find out more? - We always will. The question is: Who are we?

    The usual thoughtline goes like this: Left is good, being right is Nazi. - That's a the basis of almost every liberal or mainsztream political statement in the Western world. The rest follows from this predisposition.


    I point out a few aspects of what follows


    We have a measure for good (=left/liberal/woke/diverse) and bad (right, conservative, male, white) - such measures people strive for.

    What we have is a simple measure for good and bad - something people crave for - especially in nervous times (as ours - cf. climate change, Black Lives Matter, The Orange Man stealing mail boxes (Al Gore found thet out, too), CO-19). Jordan B. Peterson repeated this time and time again. Camille Paglia too... (there's a nice talk of these two about the unholy simplicity of the woke/postmodern/deconstrcutivist mindeset - still online).

    Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now - being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist...) concepts.

    People tied to their feelings and chopped off of tradition lose the posssibility to control themselves.

    People with a lack of socially induced control tied to their feelings (their "self") are - by the very nature of our biological heritage - caught in primal drives (Freud). These are at times fun, or fun and cruel (Antifa) and at times simply cruel - but offer not much in between. Very simple concepts of human life have their limits, unfortunately. -

    - More differentiated concepts are harder to grasp and more rewarding (that's what Freud advocates for in Civilization and its Discontents - even though. Read rather closely, one finds, that Freud thinks, that patience and insistence are the most effective weapons for anybody who wants to improve the civilizational process. - Woody Guthry had a slogan once on his guitar, which read: This Machine Kills Fascists. - Might sound a bit forced here, but i think, Woody hinted in Freuds direction. And - yes, such Guthry-machines kill all kinds of ill-adviced and ill-tempered Antifa-activists too.

    Replies: @animalogic, @Not Only Wrathful

    I see it a different way.

    People with a lack of socially induced control tied to their feelings

    How these rioters express their feelings is largely socially controlled. You are just as much socially controlled when you react against everything as when you react with it. There’s no driving force coming up through “you” in either case.

    The root of the problem is that the greatest part of our passions are obscured from us, which means that these rioters see the 1% above the surface and immediately invalidate themselves through rationalising it to be about everyone else.

    Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now – being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist…) concepts.

    What it means and what is actually describes are very different things.

    These people are always talking about past wrongs, and can almost never bring themselves to exist in the present.

    Nor is it as simple as to say they “feel”. We all feel. Even those of us who are immensely repressed, those just push it well out of their sight.

    Instead, it is truer to say that the rioters lack any sort of steady and welcoming awareness of their own feelings.

    They are unable to observe them for more than a split second, before they invalidate their complete self and blame whatever it is they think they have spotted on everyone else.

    This is where their endless outraged irrationalism comes in. They are desperate to come up with reasons, any reasons at all, to run from themselves, and if those reasons can be blamed on whatever they have decided is the other, then even better.

    Once you realise that they invalidate their true feelings first and foremost, you will understand why they are haunted by phantoms of repression.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I see your point.
    But can't we agree even though in saying that history does make sense - and that being human should reduce the strings which hold us together as a society to mere feelings. - There are norms and customs and traditions etc. - and they do play a - reasonable - part in leading a good life and should thus be respected, even if we - for some moments - might think that we, as the indescribably precious and individual snowflakes, would represent individually and by the pure will of ourselves all that matters simply via our bodies = our naturally fragile and ultimately rich super-important selves.

    - I run more and more into people who don't understand that such a self-description has a deceptively sparkling center, that is, unfortunately, inconsistent (= fragile (= prone to self-pity, prone to real mishaps, to hard disillusionments, frustrations over frustrations and more often than not misery and suffering of all kinds - - - - as a reward - : -

    "The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68
    And he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday
    Cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark cafe
    You laugh, he said you think you're immune, go look at your eyes
    They're full of moon"

    - Joni Mitchell in Richard, on Blue).

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Anonymous

  30. @RichardTaylor
    They have to push fear of rightwing militias in order to justify their growing tyranny.

    The Soviets pretended the Polish Military Organization was a big threat even though it was gone by 1921. Per Wiki:

    Although the PMO was disbanded in 1921, Soviet authorities claimed that it continued to exist; during the Great Purge of 1936-38 and as early as 1933, many people of Polish nationality were charged with membership in it
     
    This led to Soviet NKVD Order № 00485 which was effective at killing over 100,000 people.

    The Soviet NKVD Order № 00485 was an anti-Polish ethnic cleansing campaign issued on August 11, 1937 which laid the foundation for the systematic elimination of the Polish minority in the Soviet Union between 1937 and 1938
     

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Ben tillman

    You imply that they are merely cynical and don’t believe the reasons they give. That is a wrong implication even while what you write is partly true

  31. In majority minority America, the weak shall suffer. The depravity of many blacks knows no bottom.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/black-lives-matter-supporters-run-brutally-beat-raccoon-death-claim-white-people-worry-animals-video/

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @JimB

    That is truly depraved. They will do that to us if things spin out of control.

    Replies: @JimB

    , @sayless
    @JimB

    It seems the animal rights activists are already on the case. They've already got the guy's address.

    , @Anonymous
    @JimB

    Raccoons, homeless...

    https://youtu.be/l77f1dyRa_0

    , @throtler
    @JimB

    Does anyone know why you can't read the comments or leave a comment at The Gateway Pundit anymore? Also off- topic: I am getting sick of reading "you are commenting too quickly. Slow down." I didn't even use up my allotment agree/disagree and this is the only comment I have made on this article. YOU need to fix these damn things!

    Replies: @Ben tillman

  32. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    “We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016….”

    Why when I read that sentence do I feel like she wanted to finish it up by adding “…and we know who you are and where you live.”

    The implicit and explicit threats against conservatives are getting to be be quite the thing. It started after the Prop 8 vote in California but it has gotten exponentially worse.

    • Replies: @mousey
    @Wilkey

    What do you think will happen when we go to mail in voting. Anonymity will no longer be possible. Your name will be captured along with every vote you make. You'll be outed to your company, social network, neighbors and even your place of worship if your vote doesn't fall in line with the established narrative. It will truly be a silenced majority.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @J.Ross
    @Wilkey

    Under Bapak Obama they opened up and began aggressively using voting records (I believe this technically changed under W but was used in a new way under Bapak). I was invited to a conference of people, the first discussion at my table was what we had in common and how we had been invited. Turns out we were all Obama voters who normally didn't vote Democrat. The room went silent because we didn't think organizations could read voting records.

  33. ‘Sisters in Hate’ Offers a Window Into Women in the White Nationalist Movement

    Women in the White Nationalist movement?? Are there any?
    I thought it was mostly a sausage fest (like in any serious political movement).
    Still, it beats having crazy transgenders or blue-haired lesbians like the Antifa loons…

    what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism?

    I think a lot of radical SJWs are sexually confused (feminine men, masculine women, others who don’t even know which sex/gender they are), and that fuels their violence too.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Dumbo


    Women in the White Nationalist movement?? Are there any?
     
    There aren't many. That's one of the reasons White Nationalism is politically bankrupt.
  34. Does the “Sisters of Hate” article mean ADL and SPLC fundraising is down?

  35. @wren
    It appears that when the antifa transgenders stray too far from the pack, they are at risk of getting picked off by the roving blm thugs.

    I think the guy who got knocked out initially got involved to help out a transgender person who was getting robbed. Poor choice.

    I think he's the one with the blue shirt.

    https://www.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295264755712528384

    Replies: @wren, @Federalist, @SunBakedSuburb, @Daniel H, @Dave

    Is there a difference between BLM and antifa?

  36. Andy Ngo also provides info about working class whites, usually from Oregon, Washington State, Idaho, who have become radicalized. Their Instagram accounts are depressing: cigarettes, slutty girls, tattoos, ex-military (in one case, current military).

    What’s up with that?

  37. the right wing kills may people

    the left wing “extremists” march for civil rights

    Kind of a big difference

    Right wing extremists account for 90% of the violence in the country

    This is based on stats

    Even if it isnt techiniclly accurate it is a healty narrative and should be followed

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Tiny Duck

    TD, "Wabbit Season" "Duck Season" stay alert.

    , @anon
    @Tiny Duck

    the right wing kills may people

    Fortunately it's August.

  38. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism?

    Mental illness.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @justaguynamedme

    Nice. :)

    Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if 1/4 to 1/2 or more of "antifa" wind up on the "fascist" side over time. A lot of these guys are natural "fascists" but don't know it yet, and "fascism" isn't yet strong enough to attract them ("fascism" is suppressed and kept off the streets by the pigs...for now).

    I think we can at least agree that "fascism" will capture far more "antifa" loyalty in the foreseeable future than vice-versa.

    Trannies, not so much.

    Replies: @wren

  39. The only way for Trump to run on law and order as the incumbent is to loudly and repeatedly remind everyone that democrat politicians are supporting the rioters and rich democrats are paying to bail them out of jail.

    Antifa is only going to grow in popularity and power. Right now they are ideological. Right now they get the guys who filter their rage through left wing rhetoric – justification. They will start to attract non political angry guys who just want to hurt people. If there is no opposition they will quickly end up absorbing all of those guys.

    There will always be thugs and tough guys (and more importantly just regular dudes looking to hit somebody and prove themselves in combat which is a totally healthy thing for a man to want, hello?) and if there is nowhere for them to go except antifa they will become antifa. Even guys who you’d expect by all measures to become right wing. Perhaps especially those guys.

    Old rich cons are going to be denouncing “all forms of violence” and tut tutting about double standards right until they’re getting stomped out and then when they finally realize oh shit we do actually need street fighters because human nature hasn’t actually changed and politics really is war, we were just living in a bubble for a couple generations, there’s going to be basically none available.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  40. Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn’t come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I’m skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    They were a group called "Unite the Right" and were in no way neo-Nazis, Harry. There is plenty of information out there about what happened August 3 years back in Charlottesville, some even right here on unz, and there have been lots of follow-up regarding the legal railroading (especially of James Field) on VDare too.

    It wasn't staged-managed. It was more like an ambush by a larger crowd with the entire establishment, law enforcement, city government, etc. on the side of the antifa goon squad.

    Unite the Right simply cared about Southern heritage, and I'm guess American heritage too. You should be MORE than skeptical of what comes out of the MSM, Harry.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Harry Baldwin


    Has anyone followed up on who those people were?
     
    Andrew Anglin, who apparently has communicated with some of these people, says that these and other "Neo-Nazis" are low-IQ loser patsies set up by the FBI to provide the public Narrative with its requisite Emmanuel Goldsteins. The public gets a boogieman, the Left can justify its tyranny, and the FBI gets easy and unsympathetic targets, so it's wins all around for them.

    Of course, Anglin has been literally banned form the internet, so hardly anyone hears his reporting.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @AaronInMVD

    , @fnn
    @Harry Baldwin

    The Heaphy Report says there were "hundreds" of pro-statue protesters. Do you think were all "neo-nazis"?
    https://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @BenKenobi
    @Harry Baldwin

    Charlottesville was the first instance of Antifa being given state-backing. Antifa can only win under anarcho-tyranny. Recall that before Charlottesville there was the Battle of Berkeley, where the two groups were free to engage. Antifa was soundly routed, chased from the streets, and their flags captured.

    Antifa now gets the anarcho, and the right (even diverse Alt-Lite organizations such as Proud Boys) gets the tyranny. That's the only reason they are "winning" -- they are the proxy of the anti-White establishment that has coalesced from the Long March.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Harry Baldwin

    Charlottesville was a classic case of successful anti-guerrilla tactic by a dominant power (the Left) against insurgent guerrillas (the Alt-Right): drawing the guerrillas out in the open for face-to-face action before the guerrillas have successfully recruited and trained enough people to stand against a more organized, better funded, dominant foe.

    , @anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    Several of us noted at the time and since how (1) the chanting “blood & soil” male model types with the tiki torches and polo shirts at the choreographed pep rally filmed undisturbed from various, provocative angles the night before contrasted with (2) the ordinaries in their t-shirts who showed up for the heckling and flamethrower in the park in Charlottesville.

    No one, to my knowledge, has yet acknowledged or been identified as a participant in (1).

    , @Anon
    @Harry Baldwin


    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis?
     
    Various people who attended have said as much. Most of those groups were known to each other. But nobody seemed to know who the lone Nazis were.

    "We thought they were with you." "No, we thought they were with you. "
    , @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real.

    There was vid that I can no longer find showing one of the "Nazi" guys opening up his brand new Nazi flag to wave. The creases in the fabric from being folded up for a long time were quite obvious. There was some effort to identify him but I do not know what if anything was found.

    Of course they all had to be real deal Nazis, because false flags have never, ever happened before in the history of the human race and for sure no group has ever run a false flag operation on US soil. Just like these Boogaloo boys who show up briefly in badly fitting camo to stand around near Only Black Lives Matter demos -- then disappear. They are the real deal too, I am so sure. Not false flag fakes, not!

    Nuh uh! Seeing is believing, as long as we only see what is shown to us.

  41. It’s almost like they don’t get the joke about why an avowed armed ethnic militia marched through a town and wondered where the KKK was to meet them?

    The poster of the clip is some blue tick Marketing Director at Comcast Sport whose twitter banner image is him giving a speech at NATO HQ. His profile picture shows him with his Emmy. If that kind of man who lives his entire life based on what is the correct dominant pose to attain status posted this, maybe the ‘alt-right’ isn’t such a big deal?

    But isn’t it standard NATO operating procedure to arm ethnic minorities before a colour revolution?

    Leaving aside how serious guys who feel the need to call themselves the ‘Not Fucking Around Coalition’ are (My guess is not very), it’s striking that a man whose entire existence is about public image, who is the marketing director of a major establishment outfit would feel comfortable posting that commentary, cheering on an ethnic militia and saying he was on their side as if they were.

  42. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred.”

    On any other day the Sulzberger Times would be denouncing such “misogynist” characterizations of women, taking pride in those women who act most masculine in all manners. But as soon as it’s about ebil white nationalist women then they’re concerned that a woman might not be meek and genteel, even though their characterization makes no sense. The “white nationalist” or conservative women they decry likely are more feminine than your average op ed writer for the times, but since being pro-white is the equivalent to tattooing a swastika on your forehead and curb stomping blacks then they could never understand how a precious, pure female could possibly be into that.

    They’re so blinded by the caricatures they craft for their narrative that journalists are rendered incapable of explaining even the most basic motivations for being pro-white. Though that’s probably by design

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Pop Warner


    They’re so blinded by the caricatures they craft for their narrative that journalists are rendered incapable of explaining even the most basic motivations for being pro-white. Though that’s probably by design
     
    They know exactly what they are doing and they know perfectly well it has nothing to do with "hate."

    It is they who hate, on the one hand telling us to "celebrate diversity" and on the other hand telling us we should be fine with a future with no White people. I can only conclude from that that they think Whites are uniquely evil and unworthy of respect or even continued existence on this planet.
  43. @Harry Baldwin
    Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn't come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @fnn, @BenKenobi, @R.G. Camara, @anonymous, @Anon, @anon

    They were a group called “Unite the Right” and were in no way neo-Nazis, Harry. There is plenty of information out there about what happened August 3 years back in Charlottesville, some even right here on unz, and there have been lots of follow-up regarding the legal railroading (especially of James Field) on VDare too.

    It wasn’t staged-managed. It was more like an ambush by a larger crowd with the entire establishment, law enforcement, city government, etc. on the side of the antifa goon squad.

    Unite the Right simply cared about Southern heritage, and I’m guess American heritage too. You should be MORE than skeptical of what comes out of the MSM, Harry.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    They were a group called “Unite the Right” and were in no way neo-Nazis, Harry.
     
    I believe that some of them were neo-Nazis or fascists, although not all or perhaps even most of them. Spencer is essentially a fascist, isn't he? None of which is especially relevant as to the outcome of the events. It was a legal, permitted protest and would have remained peaceful if the antifa goons, with the tacit support of the authorities, hadn't started the rumble.
  44. @Ben tillman

    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups.
     
    Who would have thought we’d see a day when “report” had become a synonym for “lie”?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @J.Ross

    I’ve thought it for a long time. Indeed, it’s even worse than that little quote.

    Wolf’s comments that day at the news conference were, perhaps, one point of origin for an Antifa panic that then began rippling out across the country. Soon, rumors were proliferating on social media: Vans filled with destructive antifascists were coming to small-town America, spreading looting and chaos.

    This in fact happens with some frequency, though antifa generally loses the encounter. Whether or not they arrived in vans, I can’t say.

    That evening, President Trump tweeted that he would be classifying Antifa as a terrorist group (something he does not have the authority to do).

    Is that true? Someone in the government classifies groups as terrorists. If it is not anyone in the executive branch, who is it? For Foreign Terrorist Organizations, the Department of State, a department of the Executive Branch, does it, so the Exec branch can do it for foreign orgs. Are domestics different? (It probably is true that Trump did not follow through though.)

    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups.

    Citation needed.

    Christopher Wray, director of the F.B.I., told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing on F.B.I. oversight in July 2019 that his agency had recently arrested just as many domestic terrorists as it had foreign terrorists, and that a majority of the domestic terrorists investigated were white supremacists.

    Inasmuch as the FBI arrests of foreign terrorists are hovering around zero, combined with the bias of authorities that foreigners gunning down rooms full of Americans is “workplace violence” while you posting an opinion on the internet is “domestic trerrorism” make this statement meaningless.

    And by this February, Wray said the F.B.I. had placed “racially motivated violent extremism” at the highest threat level and that “lone actor” terrorists were of top concern to the agency. He said that 2019 had been the deadliest year for domestic violent extremism since 1995, the year of the Oklahoma City bombing.

    Presumably this is the anti-Mexican El Paso shooting. Something tells me antifa/BLM-related killings don’t appear on Wray’s terrorism radar.

    By the way, is anyone keeping track of all the terrorism and hate-killings that the authorities deny are terrorism and hate killings?

    Amid the hysteria about nonexistent vans full of Antifa supersoldiers,

    Haha, yeah it’s true that Antifa supersoldiers are nonexistent…

    actual heavily armed militia groups around the country stepped in to provide what they saw as protection to communities, often with the encouragement of lawmakers.

    Remind me, did violent antifa and BLM rioters and criminals receive any “encouragement” from lawmakers? How about active collaboration with government officials? Or maybe some of them are actual government officials? I’m just trying to remember…

    • Thanks: Gordo
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Almost Missouri

    I guess Trump is waiting until after the election to get rid of Christopher Wray. I suppose some cost/benefit calculation was made, but the man really has to go. He's one of the most perfidious Swamp Guardians.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Ben tillman
    @Almost Missouri

    Regarding the FBI’s arrests of “foreign terrorists”, it should be noted that foreign terrorists are elsewhere and therefore not subject to arrest by the FBI.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Peter D. Bredon

    , @jon
    @Almost Missouri

    This is how the bullshit becomes the narrative:


    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups. Christopher Wray, director of the F.B.I., told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing on F.B.I. oversight in July 2019 that his agency had recently arrested just as many domestic terrorists as it had foreign terrorists, and that a majority of the domestic terrorists investigated were white supremacists.
     
    Numerous reports? From who? Vox, the ADL, some cranks blog? If it were from someplace credible, they would say explicitly. But on to the bigger lie, let's run some numbers. The FBI arrested an equal number of domestic and foreign, so let's say 100 each. And the domestic was majority white supremacist, so let's say 51. Since the foreign arrests were not, by definition, right-wing "homegrown terrorists," that means a 149 foreign to 51 domestic (3 to 1) ratio is totally consistent with what was written. I have no idea what the specific numbers are, but again, if the numbers were supportive, they would say explicitly.

    And by this February, Wray said the F.B.I. had placed “racially motivated violent extremism” at the highest threat level and that “lone actor” terrorists were of top concern to the agency. He said that 2019 had been the deadliest year for domestic violent extremism since 1995
     
    Antifa and BLM are both domestic, violent and extreme organizations, so the deadliness of this year may be totally irrelevant to the deadliness of white supremacists. And again, if the numbers were supportive, they would say explicitly.
    This PSA provided by Jon. The More You Know.
  45. The hormones these transgenders take on a lifelong basis must be wreaking havoc on their (already off-kilter) minds.

  46. anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve is surely right that Oregon’s embrace of WWT earlier this decade has played a role in its Antifa uprising.

    But I think an even bigger factor has been the mass embrace of vegetarianism/veganism over a decade ago. This was greatly helped along by policies of the Obama administration. You now have a whole generation of young people who suffered from going through puberty with plant based diet induced malnutrition that really messed with their sex hormones and serotonin systems.

    Of course it bears repeating that Antifa is referred to, even by lefties, as Vegan ISIS.

    Also the characteristic extreme narcissistic personality disorders common among transsexuals are also a seen in vegans as well.

    There are numerous Youtube channels devoted to chronicling the distinct narcissistic personality disorders common among vegans.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/sv3rige/videos

    Ok this above one time ex-vegan Latvian is now the web’s leading supporter of raw meat carnivore-ism, but lots of doctors are also now talking about the link between veganism/vegetarianism and mental health issues.

    Veganism causes Mental Illness | Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride

    Last , wouldn’t you just know Oregan is one of the most vegan/vegetarian states.
    https://towardsdatascience.com/which-states-are-the-most-vegan-and-which-states-arent-but-really-want-to-be-5ff619a87f4b

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Rouetheday
    @anonymous

    Back in the 80's and 90's there was a Scottish pro cyclist named Robert Millar who enjoyed some success in the Grand Tours. Millar was also the first elite pro cyclist who was a vegetarian, at least as far as I know. After Millar retired in the mid 90's I didn't hear anything about him for many years. He resurfaced several years ago in his new profession as a sports journalist specializing in cycling, naturally. If you're interested in checking out his work you'll need to Google his new name... Phillipa York.

    , @Captain Tripps
    @anonymous

    The rise of various extreme diets has been a fascinating thing to observe over my lifetime. I'm sure a significant factor is the rise of visual media over the last 100 years, which has only improved vastly over time (4K television sets, IMAX theaters). Seeing yourself in a picture or movie highlights your basic visual positives and negatives, and many focus on the negatives as a way to self-improvement. That can be a good thing, but is all too often taken to extremes.

    Another part of this is that many take the vegetarian/vegan route as an alternate means of religious piety, i.e. not wanting to see animals killed for slaughter and consumption, seeing that as immoral, causing suffering to these animals. There is some truth in this, in that mass consumption has led in some instances to very poor conditions and treatment. However, we've also improved this over time in the era of mass consumption and will continue to do so. It is a good thing within human nature to want to alleviate the suffering of animals; we have our domestic best friends as companions and family members. Also, the local farm to table alternatives help alleviate this as well.

    Occam's razor tells me we evolved as omnivores over several hundred thousand years (perhaps more), mostly as hunter-gatherers. When you suddenly disrupt the evolved diet into one extreme or the other (either no-meat vegans, or no-plant paleos), its going to disrupt the basic wiring of the body/mind.

    , @stillCARealist
    @anonymous

    Remember, most vegans "cheat" on a regular basis, just like the keto and paleo people.

    Vegetarians actually have enough choices on their menus that cheating is less of a temptation. An old friend is a veggie who only avoids flesh: So dairy, eggs, and broth are fine.

    , @Ben tillman
    @anonymous

    Causation or correlation?

  47. Attorney For Ex-Minneapolis Police Officer: George Floyd ‘Overdosed On Fentanyl’

    Ya’ THINK???

    It was obvious months ago, but here’s the scoop, from Lane’s lawyer:

    “All he had to do is sit in the police car, like every other defendant who is initially arrested. While attempting to avoid his arrest, all by himself, Mr. Floyd overdosed on Fentanyl,” Gray wrote. “Given his intoxication level, breathing would have been difficult at best. Mr. Floyd’s intentional failure to obey commands, coupled with his overdosing, contributed to his own death.”

    Gray says that bodycam footage from Lane, who was the first officer to confront Floyd, shows Floyd with “a white spot on the left side of his tongue” that resembles “2 milligrams of fentanyl, a lethal dose.”

    “Rather than comply with Officer Lane’s reasonable instructions, [Floyd] turns his head away at 20:09:45; at 20:09:48, the white spot is gone,” Gray says.

  48. @Harry Baldwin
    Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn't come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @fnn, @BenKenobi, @R.G. Camara, @anonymous, @Anon, @anon

    Has anyone followed up on who those people were?

    Andrew Anglin, who apparently has communicated with some of these people, says that these and other “Neo-Nazis” are low-IQ loser patsies set up by the FBI to provide the public Narrative with its requisite Emmanuel Goldsteins. The public gets a boogieman, the Left can justify its tyranny, and the FBI gets easy and unsympathetic targets, so it’s wins all around for them.

    Of course, Anglin has been literally banned form the internet, so hardly anyone hears his reporting.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @Almost Missouri


    Andrew Anglin, who apparently has communicated with some of these people, says that these and other “Neo-Nazis” are low-IQ loser patsies set up by the FBI to provide the public
     
    There may be some overlap in the personality types that antifa and fascists recruit from. Below is from a guide on how to set up an Antifa group

    INFILTRATORS

    Over the years, we have dealt with a variety of infiltrators. Sometimes they are random contacts. Sometimes they are fencesitters in the punk rock and skinhead scenes who are known to people in both fascist and anti-fascist circles. On one occasion, a black man tried to get involved with antifa groups, but ended up being affiliated with a neo-Nazi party and was feeding them information. Alt Right supporters in particular can be from the same social demographic as many left-wing activists, and have infiltrated several meetings and demonstrations, including January 2017 planning meetings in DC before the protests at the inauguration. You will have to screen out and deal with them.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @AaronInMVD
    @Almost Missouri

    Well, his site is online. He's now mostly subject to a sort of studious ignoring by the "mainstream" every since 2016. I suspect it is because they figured out Anglin actually manages to cut at their narrative successfully. The mainstream narrative cultivators would rather focus their attention bringing powers on... less effective, less polished rightwingers that haven't yet been hardened by exposure to the mainstream's ritual hate.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  49. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism?

    How is someone like you not familiar with Bioleninism

    https://web.archive.org/web/20180218200141/https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2018/01/21/leninism-and-bioleninism/

  50. @Almost Missouri
    @Ben tillman

    I've thought it for a long time. Indeed, it's even worse than that little quote.



    Wolf’s comments that day at the news conference were, perhaps, one point of origin for an Antifa panic that then began rippling out across the country. Soon, rumors were proliferating on social media: Vans filled with destructive antifascists were coming to small-town America, spreading looting and chaos.
     

     
    This in fact happens with some frequency, though antifa generally loses the encounter. Whether or not they arrived in vans, I can't say.


    That evening, President Trump tweeted that he would be classifying Antifa as a terrorist group (something he does not have the authority to do).
     

     
    Is that true? Someone in the government classifies groups as terrorists. If it is not anyone in the executive branch, who is it? For Foreign Terrorist Organizations, the Department of State, a department of the Executive Branch, does it, so the Exec branch can do it for foreign orgs. Are domestics different? (It probably is true that Trump did not follow through though.)


    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups.
     

     
    Citation needed.


    Christopher Wray, director of the F.B.I., told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing on F.B.I. oversight in July 2019 that his agency had recently arrested just as many domestic terrorists as it had foreign terrorists, and that a majority of the domestic terrorists investigated were white supremacists.
     

     
    Inasmuch as the FBI arrests of foreign terrorists are hovering around zero, combined with the bias of authorities that foreigners gunning down rooms full of Americans is "workplace violence" while you posting an opinion on the internet is "domestic trerrorism" make this statement meaningless.


    And by this February, Wray said the F.B.I. had placed “racially motivated violent extremism” at the highest threat level and that “lone actor” terrorists were of top concern to the agency. He said that 2019 had been the deadliest year for domestic violent extremism since 1995, the year of the Oklahoma City bombing.
     

     
    Presumably this is the anti-Mexican El Paso shooting. Something tells me antifa/BLM-related killings don't appear on Wray's terrorism radar.

    By the way, is anyone keeping track of all the terrorism and hate-killings that the authorities deny are terrorism and hate killings?



    Amid the hysteria about nonexistent vans full of Antifa supersoldiers,
     

     
    Haha, yeah it's true that Antifa supersoldiers are nonexistent...


    actual heavily armed militia groups around the country stepped in to provide what they saw as protection to communities, often with the encouragement of lawmakers.
     

     
    Remind me, did violent antifa and BLM rioters and criminals receive any "encouragement" from lawmakers? How about active collaboration with government officials? Or maybe some of them are actual government officials? I'm just trying to remember...

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Ben tillman, @jon

    I guess Trump is waiting until after the election to get rid of Christopher Wray. I suppose some cost/benefit calculation was made, but the man really has to go. He’s one of the most perfidious Swamp Guardians.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Harry Baldwin

    Maybe another president would, but this is Trump, so surely he's arranging to give Wray the medal of freedom while Wray knees him in the groin.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Harry Baldwin

    Supposedly Barr returned to DOJ to clean out the political corruption instilled by Obama and his wingman Holder. Keeping FBI chief Wray close and squeezing him to do the right thing would help in this effort. Supposedly. Barr comes from an OSS/CIA family; he began his guvmint career as a CIA lawyer. So who the hell knows. Everything's a hall of mirrors with these people.

  51. Why blame the NY Times for reporting something that Christopher Wray, who was appointed not by Obama but by one Donald Trump to head the FBI, says about the right?

    Seems like the person who should be called to account is that guy Donald Trump.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  52. • Replies: @El Dato
    @Rob McX

    Recently:

    ‘Baseless & politically motivated’: NRA counter-sues New York AG who seeks to shut down pro-gun organization


    The National Rifle Association has filed its own lawsuit after New York’s attorney general sued the group for fraud, hoping to put it out of business. The pro-gun org says the AG’s case is politically motivated and frivolous.

    Responding to a suit brought by New York state Attorney General Letitia James on Thursday – which accused top executives in the pro-Second Amendment group of misusing funds – the NRA filed a federal countersuit claiming James’ case is based on a “rank political vendetta,” rather than any “sincere belief” that the organization broke the law.

    “This was a baseless, premeditated attack on our organization and the Second Amendment freedoms it fights to defend,” NRA president Carolyn Meadows said in a tweet. “Our members won’t be intimidated or bullied in their defense of political and constitutional freedom.”

    As evidenced by the lawsuit filed by the NRA today against the NY AG, we not only will not shrink from this fight – we will confront it and prevail.
     
    , @justaguynamedme
    @Rob McX

    "Audrey Strauss" prosecutor.
    EST.

    , @Jesse
    @Rob McX

    Bannon's a pure grifter. It's totally possible he's actually guilty.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @MEH 0910
    @Rob McX

    https://twitter.com/LionBlogosphere/status/1296447903750328321

    Replies: @Flip, @Prof. Woland

    , @danand
    @Rob McX


    "OT: I wonder what’s behind this…Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge."
     
    Rob McX, as Postal Service enforcement officers were employed to arrest Bannon, you'd have to assume that this whole USPS dust-up with Trump was "engineered". Bannon's arrest had to be at least weeks in the making/preparation.

    Pretty obvious in hindsight the press was "instructed" to create a narrative that Trump was literally at war with the USPS so that when the arrest came the resulting explosion and ensuing inferno would create maximum carnage.

    Could be it was originally intended as an "October Surprise"; but had to be set off today to help distract from Biden's national coming out party tonight - introducing the world to the shockingly new, unrecognizable Joe - the shell of a man who will tilt this country forward.

    Replies: @Muggles, @James O'Meara

  53. @Henry Canaday
    Well, if you mutilate your own body to pretend you are a different sex, why wouldn’t you mutilate a city under the delusion this will create a more congenial world?

    Replies: @animalogic, @Jane Plain

    Get with the program.

    It used to be called “sex reassignment surgery.” It is now called “gender confirmation surgery.”

    Why is the word surgery used at all?

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Jane Plain

    @53 Jane Plain: "It used to be called “sex reassignment surgery.” It is now called “gender confirmation surgery.”

    Pioneered by your ancestors, Jane, back in Germany. Until one day, for no reason at all . . .

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  54. @Harry Baldwin
    Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn't come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @fnn, @BenKenobi, @R.G. Camara, @anonymous, @Anon, @anon

    The Heaphy Report says there were “hundreds” of pro-statue protesters. Do you think were all “neo-nazis”?
    https://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @fnn

    Do you think were all “neo-nazis”?

    Of course not. If you think that's what I was saying, I must not have been clear.

  55. Has anyone ever referred to Antifa as “Supersoldiers”?

  56. @Rob McX
    OT: I wonder what's behind this...Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge.

    Replies: @El Dato, @justaguynamedme, @Jesse, @MEH 0910, @danand

    Recently:

    ‘Baseless & politically motivated’: NRA counter-sues New York AG who seeks to shut down pro-gun organization

    The National Rifle Association has filed its own lawsuit after New York’s attorney general sued the group for fraud, hoping to put it out of business. The pro-gun org says the AG’s case is politically motivated and frivolous.

    Responding to a suit brought by New York state Attorney General Letitia James on Thursday – which accused top executives in the pro-Second Amendment group of misusing funds – the NRA filed a federal countersuit claiming James’ case is based on a “rank political vendetta,” rather than any “sincere belief” that the organization broke the law.

    “This was a baseless, premeditated attack on our organization and the Second Amendment freedoms it fights to defend,” NRA president Carolyn Meadows said in a tweet. “Our members won’t be intimidated or bullied in their defense of political and constitutional freedom.”

    As evidenced by the lawsuit filed by the NRA today against the NY AG, we not only will not shrink from this fight – we will confront it and prevail.

  57. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    “Still,…”

    Female writing. Fingernails on chalkboard. One can almost feel the testicles shrinking as you read it. “wrapping our heads” is a bit of a conceit as well.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Human heads are made of Saran Wrap. Didn’t you know that?

  58. Those illustrations by Tomer Hanuka are great for T-Shirts. 👌

  59. @Rob McX
    OT: I wonder what's behind this...Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge.

    Replies: @El Dato, @justaguynamedme, @Jesse, @MEH 0910, @danand

    “Audrey Strauss” prosecutor.
    EST.

  60. @Rob McX
    OT: I wonder what's behind this...Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge.

    Replies: @El Dato, @justaguynamedme, @Jesse, @MEH 0910, @danand

    Bannon’s a pure grifter. It’s totally possible he’s actually guilty.

    • Agree: Muggles, Corvinus
    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Jesse

    Bannon is so wealthy that it's ridiculous to believe he'd be involved in such small potatoes as this.

  61. @Almost Missouri
    @Harry Baldwin


    Has anyone followed up on who those people were?
     
    Andrew Anglin, who apparently has communicated with some of these people, says that these and other "Neo-Nazis" are low-IQ loser patsies set up by the FBI to provide the public Narrative with its requisite Emmanuel Goldsteins. The public gets a boogieman, the Left can justify its tyranny, and the FBI gets easy and unsympathetic targets, so it's wins all around for them.

    Of course, Anglin has been literally banned form the internet, so hardly anyone hears his reporting.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @AaronInMVD

    Andrew Anglin, who apparently has communicated with some of these people, says that these and other “Neo-Nazis” are low-IQ loser patsies set up by the FBI to provide the public

    There may be some overlap in the personality types that antifa and fascists recruit from. Below is from a guide on how to set up an Antifa group

    INFILTRATORS

    Over the years, we have dealt with a variety of infiltrators. Sometimes they are random contacts. Sometimes they are fencesitters in the punk rock and skinhead scenes who are known to people in both fascist and anti-fascist circles. On one occasion, a black man tried to get involved with antifa groups, but ended up being affiliated with a neo-Nazi party and was feeding them information. Alt Right supporters in particular can be from the same social demographic as many left-wing activists, and have infiltrated several meetings and demonstrations, including January 2017 planning meetings in DC before the protests at the inauguration. You will have to screen out and deal with them.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @AKAHorace


    There may be some overlap in the personality types that antifa and fascists recruit from.
     
    I'd say that's pretty much a certainty. Mentally unstable people are drawn to any kind of extremism - they don't really care which kind.

    Antifa, fascism, the alt-right, pretty much all extremist political groupings are heavily driven by paranoia and resentment, so they will attract paranoid personality types and they will attract resentful losers. These movements also attract people who are losers in the sexual marketplace.

    It's likely that there are people who start as antifa and become alt-right, or start as alt-right and become antifa.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

  62. @Almost Missouri
    @Ben tillman

    I've thought it for a long time. Indeed, it's even worse than that little quote.



    Wolf’s comments that day at the news conference were, perhaps, one point of origin for an Antifa panic that then began rippling out across the country. Soon, rumors were proliferating on social media: Vans filled with destructive antifascists were coming to small-town America, spreading looting and chaos.
     

     
    This in fact happens with some frequency, though antifa generally loses the encounter. Whether or not they arrived in vans, I can't say.


    That evening, President Trump tweeted that he would be classifying Antifa as a terrorist group (something he does not have the authority to do).
     

     
    Is that true? Someone in the government classifies groups as terrorists. If it is not anyone in the executive branch, who is it? For Foreign Terrorist Organizations, the Department of State, a department of the Executive Branch, does it, so the Exec branch can do it for foreign orgs. Are domestics different? (It probably is true that Trump did not follow through though.)


    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups.
     

     
    Citation needed.


    Christopher Wray, director of the F.B.I., told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing on F.B.I. oversight in July 2019 that his agency had recently arrested just as many domestic terrorists as it had foreign terrorists, and that a majority of the domestic terrorists investigated were white supremacists.
     

     
    Inasmuch as the FBI arrests of foreign terrorists are hovering around zero, combined with the bias of authorities that foreigners gunning down rooms full of Americans is "workplace violence" while you posting an opinion on the internet is "domestic trerrorism" make this statement meaningless.


    And by this February, Wray said the F.B.I. had placed “racially motivated violent extremism” at the highest threat level and that “lone actor” terrorists were of top concern to the agency. He said that 2019 had been the deadliest year for domestic violent extremism since 1995, the year of the Oklahoma City bombing.
     

     
    Presumably this is the anti-Mexican El Paso shooting. Something tells me antifa/BLM-related killings don't appear on Wray's terrorism radar.

    By the way, is anyone keeping track of all the terrorism and hate-killings that the authorities deny are terrorism and hate killings?



    Amid the hysteria about nonexistent vans full of Antifa supersoldiers,
     

     
    Haha, yeah it's true that Antifa supersoldiers are nonexistent...


    actual heavily armed militia groups around the country stepped in to provide what they saw as protection to communities, often with the encouragement of lawmakers.
     

     
    Remind me, did violent antifa and BLM rioters and criminals receive any "encouragement" from lawmakers? How about active collaboration with government officials? Or maybe some of them are actual government officials? I'm just trying to remember...

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Ben tillman, @jon

    Regarding the FBI’s arrests of “foreign terrorists”, it should be noted that foreign terrorists are elsewhere and therefore not subject to arrest by the FBI.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Ben tillman

    So really, the FBI can say, "it recently arrested just as many x as it had foreign terrorists", and that will always be true, so long as it hasn't arrested any x.

    OTOH, the FBI maintains a bunch of overseas officers for some reason that was never quite clear to me. And the US government does strange things, like invading Panama so federal police can arrest their president.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Manuel_Noriega_with_agents_from_the_U.S._DEA.jpg

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Ben tillman

    " foreign terrorists are elsewhere and therefore not subject to arrest by the FBI."

    Are you autistic? So, when Osama bin Laden arrives in the US, he's now a "domestic terrorist"?

  63. @Wilkey
    @Tono Bungay


    “We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016....”
     
    Why when I read that sentence do I feel like she wanted to finish it up by adding “...and we know who you are and where you live.”

    The implicit and explicit threats against conservatives are getting to be be quite the thing. It started after the Prop 8 vote in California but it has gotten exponentially worse.

    Replies: @mousey, @J.Ross

    What do you think will happen when we go to mail in voting. Anonymity will no longer be possible. Your name will be captured along with every vote you make. You’ll be outed to your company, social network, neighbors and even your place of worship if your vote doesn’t fall in line with the established narrative. It will truly be a silenced majority.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @mousey


    What do you think will happen when we go to mail in voting. Anonymity will no longer be possible. Your name will be captured along with every vote you make. You’ll be outed to your company, social network, neighbors and even your place of worship if your vote doesn’t fall in line with the established narrative. It will truly be a silenced majority.
     
    You are probably correct. I will be voting in person at the polling place.
  64. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred

    Local women should step up to the plate when menfolk are about to drop pants and get slaughtered by muscular hordes. This has been known since Vinland.

    “It’s possible to acknowledge the rampant, persistent sexism of the far right while also giving women the credit they deserve. … We risk stripping them of responsibility when we suggest that the harm they do is merely a way of coping with their own oppression.”

    A measurement principle never to be applied to you know who.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @El Dato

    Beautifully drawn comic! The bare-breasted viking woman who scared off the Indians--"Skraelings"--was Freydís Eiríksdóttir. The story is told in the sagas.

  65. @Rob McX
    OT: I wonder what's behind this...Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge.

    Replies: @El Dato, @justaguynamedme, @Jesse, @MEH 0910, @danand

    • Replies: @Flip
    @MEH 0910

    The NRA and the Trump Organization too. Trump should go after the Clinton Foundation and Hunter Biden.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @MEH 0910

    As I have said before, Bannon's greatest crime is that he became the face of internet news; the new media that took down the print media and the oligarchs that controlled it. His role in helping Trump get elected was only icing on the cake. Never under estimate how much (((certain))) people hate him. That would include the three great reporters that wrote the NYT article or the SDNY attorneys that just happened to prosecute him. Who knew that when he stole fire, he would be playing with it?

  66. @wren
    It appears that when the antifa transgenders stray too far from the pack, they are at risk of getting picked off by the roving blm thugs.

    I think the guy who got knocked out initially got involved to help out a transgender person who was getting robbed. Poor choice.

    I think he's the one with the blue shirt.

    https://www.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295264755712528384

    Replies: @wren, @Federalist, @SunBakedSuburb, @Daniel H, @Dave

    “roving blm thugs”

    Packs of blacks hunting for lone or soft targets. How unusual. Black men are fearless warriors.

  67. J.Ross’s first named law: huge establishment discussion is devoted to nothing, the real story is undiscussed. The “Alt-Right” at most real (which is far more than it deserves) was less than a hundred people, the more accurate statement would be that as a movement it never existed at all, and its unfleshed skeleton was a guy who (if not a fed) came up with and copyrighted a term which the lyingpress successfully poisoned. The Bugalu Boys were obviously feds (and all but said so). The Proud Boys are anti-Nazis defamed as Nazis. Insofar as Antifa fades from a political organization into popular outrage, it draws upon (and draws deniability from) homeless people, addicts, marginal vagrant types, and students gone bad, whose violence the lyingpeess cheerfully denies or spins apologetics for — in other words, the “alt-right” without politics is two or three guys who wanted to be famous, but Antifa without politics were already prosecutable criminals!
    I hope white people have learned a lesson about cooperating with the same police who will arrest them for defending their property or their family but do nothing about arsonists and murderers.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @J.Ross

    "huge establishment discussion is devoted to nothing, the real story is undiscussed"

    The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who'd been successfully unpersoned.

    The late crooked oligarch Boris Berezovsky, discussing the post-Yeltsin future of Russia with his protege Vladimir Putin :


    Look, I’ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there’s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented.
     
    I think the US got there first. Trump broke through DESPITE his party, but the Republican Party is Berezovsky's neocon party.
  68. @Harry Baldwin
    @Almost Missouri

    I guess Trump is waiting until after the election to get rid of Christopher Wray. I suppose some cost/benefit calculation was made, but the man really has to go. He's one of the most perfidious Swamp Guardians.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SunBakedSuburb

    Maybe another president would, but this is Trump, so surely he’s arranging to give Wray the medal of freedom while Wray knees him in the groin.

    • LOL: Joseph Doaks
  69. @Harry Baldwin
    Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn't come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @fnn, @BenKenobi, @R.G. Camara, @anonymous, @Anon, @anon

    Charlottesville was the first instance of Antifa being given state-backing. Antifa can only win under anarcho-tyranny. Recall that before Charlottesville there was the Battle of Berkeley, where the two groups were free to engage. Antifa was soundly routed, chased from the streets, and their flags captured.

    Antifa now gets the anarcho, and the right (even diverse Alt-Lite organizations such as Proud Boys) gets the tyranny. That’s the only reason they are “winning” — they are the proxy of the anti-White establishment that has coalesced from the Long March.

  70. @Ben tillman

    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups.
     
    Who would have thought we’d see a day when “report” had become a synonym for “lie”?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @J.Ross

    >report
    >experts say
    >studies show
    >according to scientists
    >in the polls
    >people are taking to the streets in outrage because
    >sources close to the subject say
    >this is NPR
    = lying.

  71. Prosecutions to punish people for having the wrong political views. The end of what this country used to stand for.

    Looks that way.

    • Replies: @Admiral Assbar
    @Rob McX

    Bannon's always struck me as a grifter. His most recent gig has been some effort to unify European nationalists. Sounds to me like an excuse to wine and dine on a neverending European vacation. Who was paying the bills for that, exactly?

    In any event, the accusations are fairly easy to prove or disprove. It's all in the bank records.

  72. “Leah Sottile”
    Do we even have to ask?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @aguynamedmetoo

    “Leah Sottile”
    Do we even have to ask?


    Not Jewish, if that's what you meant. It's a Sicilian name.

  73. @Harry Baldwin
    @Almost Missouri

    I guess Trump is waiting until after the election to get rid of Christopher Wray. I suppose some cost/benefit calculation was made, but the man really has to go. He's one of the most perfidious Swamp Guardians.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SunBakedSuburb

    Supposedly Barr returned to DOJ to clean out the political corruption instilled by Obama and his wingman Holder. Keeping FBI chief Wray close and squeezing him to do the right thing would help in this effort. Supposedly. Barr comes from an OSS/CIA family; he began his guvmint career as a CIA lawyer. So who the hell knows. Everything’s a hall of mirrors with these people.

  74. Antifa, short for Pantyface, which Sailer was against until CoronaHoax made him support lifetime mandatory facediapering.

    Diaper up!

  75. “In reality, Antifa have been rioting for 83 days straight in downtown Portland.”

    Thank goodness they are so incompetent. The original Communists murdered 100 million people and took control of close to 1/3 of the land surface of Earth. These bozos can’t even hold a few acres and haven’t succeeded in burning down a single building in 83 days of trying.

    The challenge is not to overreact and fight back or your life will have problems.

    • Agree: sayless
  76. @Almost Missouri
    @Harry Baldwin


    Has anyone followed up on who those people were?
     
    Andrew Anglin, who apparently has communicated with some of these people, says that these and other "Neo-Nazis" are low-IQ loser patsies set up by the FBI to provide the public Narrative with its requisite Emmanuel Goldsteins. The public gets a boogieman, the Left can justify its tyranny, and the FBI gets easy and unsympathetic targets, so it's wins all around for them.

    Of course, Anglin has been literally banned form the internet, so hardly anyone hears his reporting.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @AaronInMVD

    Well, his site is online. He’s now mostly subject to a sort of studious ignoring by the “mainstream” every since 2016. I suspect it is because they figured out Anglin actually manages to cut at their narrative successfully. The mainstream narrative cultivators would rather focus their attention bringing powers on… less effective, less polished rightwingers that haven’t yet been hardened by exposure to the mainstream’s ritual hate.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AaronInMVD


    his site is online.
     
    Barely. He managed to get hosting at an abandoned TLD from the old Soviet Union(!), which he does not expect will survive another media/deepstate onslaught. His site is not indexed by any major search engine, and as you note, is studiously ignored by the mainstream, so effectively it doesn't exist for most of his potential audience. And he only got that site after being off the public internet completely for some time.
  77. @Rob McX
    I've read many articles over the last few decades about transsexuals, and it used to be that they were harmless people who ill-advisedly sought to cure a psychiatric illness by means of surgery. Until the last year or so, I'd never heard of any of them being involved in violence. Until about five years ago, they were politically invisible as far as I can tell. I remember Steve reporting World War T as a new phenomenon around 2014/2015.

    Replies: @Clyde, @R.G. Camara, @Thomas

    One category of trannies seem to be middle aged guys who used a lot of steroids/PEDs when younger to compete at high levels in masculine athletic sports or military endeavors. This was even noted in the 1980s movie The World According to Garp, where the one tranny in the women’s group is a large ex-NFL player . It’s played for humor and shock value, but I think the filmmakers knew at least one dude in that category.

  78. @Harry Baldwin
    Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn't come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @fnn, @BenKenobi, @R.G. Camara, @anonymous, @Anon, @anon

    Charlottesville was a classic case of successful anti-guerrilla tactic by a dominant power (the Left) against insurgent guerrillas (the Alt-Right): drawing the guerrillas out in the open for face-to-face action before the guerrillas have successfully recruited and trained enough people to stand against a more organized, better funded, dominant foe.

  79. The article notes only that the bill was to amend the 1951 legislation that connected transvestites and child molestation. That’s overly vague. Trans teenagers overwhelmingly experienced childhood abuse, especially sexual abuse. Of course, just as England sacrificed 100,000 children to the Muslim rape gangs, the West Coast looks poised to do the same for trannies.

    Here’s an idea: whenever a child or adult applies for a sex change, an investigation is triggered into the adults around them during childhood. A country that cared about children would do this, instead we live in the New America.

  80. @Rob McX

    Prosecutions to punish people for having the wrong political views. The end of what this country used to stand for.
     
    Looks that way.

    Replies: @Admiral Assbar

    Bannon’s always struck me as a grifter. His most recent gig has been some effort to unify European nationalists. Sounds to me like an excuse to wine and dine on a neverending European vacation. Who was paying the bills for that, exactly?

    In any event, the accusations are fairly easy to prove or disprove. It’s all in the bank records.

  81. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn't come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @fnn, @BenKenobi, @R.G. Camara, @anonymous, @Anon, @anon

    Several of us noted at the time and since how (1) the chanting “blood & soil” male model types with the tiki torches and polo shirts at the choreographed pep rally filmed undisturbed from various, provocative angles the night before contrasted with (2) the ordinaries in their t-shirts who showed up for the heckling and flamethrower in the park in Charlottesville.

    No one, to my knowledge, has yet acknowledged or been identified as a participant in (1).

  82. I wouldn’t say the deranged freaks are coming from all over the country to Portland and Seattle, but they are in fact coming from all over the Pacific NW. Many of the arrested criminals come from east of the Cascades, where white people are more prone to criminality than the native SWPL Seattle whites. If you look at the local “most wanted” lists they’re a lot whiter in the inland West, and the whites are definitely more intimidating. The ones joining the rioting in Portland and Seattle are those who, for whatever reason (often their sexuality), find the atmosphere in the coastal cities more congenial.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Bill P

    They are coming from liberal arts college culture, and hipster culture, wherein non-traditional gender identifications brings an addictive kind of untouchable power--which fuels their street-tantrum demands that mainstream America show them the same kind of fealty. The full range of drugs--legal meds all the way to heroin--is heavily in effect. It's somewhat analogous to revolutionary counter-culture of the 60's, which featured spoiled rich college brats intent on leading a Romantic life as well as bottom-of-the-barrel weirdos like Manson.

  83. This whole ‘boogaloo’ thing sounds like a fraud/setup.

    Every time I see photos of these guys, they are always the same pasty, fat, sun-deprived, neck bearded sorts of millennial men that are commonly found in left wing movements.

    • Agree: throtler
  84. @MEH 0910
    @Rob McX

    https://twitter.com/LionBlogosphere/status/1296447903750328321

    Replies: @Flip, @Prof. Woland

    The NRA and the Trump Organization too. Trump should go after the Clinton Foundation and Hunter Biden.

  85. @wren
    It appears that when the antifa transgenders stray too far from the pack, they are at risk of getting picked off by the roving blm thugs.

    I think the guy who got knocked out initially got involved to help out a transgender person who was getting robbed. Poor choice.

    I think he's the one with the blue shirt.

    https://www.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295264755712528384

    Replies: @wren, @Federalist, @SunBakedSuburb, @Daniel H, @Dave

    “…..viciousness of character…”

    When initially confronted by the black dudes the trannie pulls out and brandishes a switchblade like device. Talk about taking a confrontation from zero to 60 in 3 seconds. Didn’t do any good though, the black thugs disarm the trannie, steal his skateboard and backpack and leave him a weeping, quivering mess. Dude’s gonna have a hard time in prison, even if he is sent to the ladies’ lockup.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Daniel H


    When initially confronted by the black dudes the trannie pulls out and brandishes a switchblade like device.
     
    I believe it was a collapsible baton, which is essentially useless against 5 or 6 to one odds.

    At best you’ll incapacitate the first guy only for the rest to swarm you before you can set up for the next baton swing.
  86. Anon[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn't come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @fnn, @BenKenobi, @R.G. Camara, @anonymous, @Anon, @anon

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis?

    Various people who attended have said as much. Most of those groups were known to each other. But nobody seemed to know who the lone Nazis were.

    “We thought they were with you.” “No, we thought they were with you. ”

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  87. On the one hand, I think: does anyone still read, or believe, the NYT or WaPo or any of the thousand-and-one ventriloquist dummies seated on the lap of Leviathan? Can anyone believe it? This article – antifa a mirage; boogaloo bois are running wild! (in Montana, apparently) – only becomes more bizarrely false when you learn the ‘journalist’ is a long-time Portland resident and hipster.

    But of course it’s important that her name…Leah Sottile…. is noted and remembered; not to hand over to Boogaloo Security, but to steel yourself against the bright young minds she’s busy brainwashing – in, surprise surprise….Montana:

    https://montanajournalism.com/category/events/

    Sottile is a thoughtful reporter, dynamic storyteller and a savvy business woman with valuable insight to share with the J-School students she’s teaching and mentoring this fall and with the greater Montana journalism community. Her most well-known podcast, “Bundyville,” made in collaboration with Longreads and Oregon Public Broadcasting, is now reaching 3 million listeners.

    As Associate Professor Jule Banville told the Missoulian recently:

    “… She digs and understands how to get information. And she’s amazing at translating really complicated events and movements to all of us. She’s also fair and accurate and has a great voice.”

    If the events she’s translating to students is antifa doesn’t exist, and besides, they’re so defiant and sexy! On the other hand, the alt Right is everywhere, so – watch thou for the boogaloo…!, then all print journalism will be dead by 2030. And rightly so.

    Need I even say it? Oh if only there were some semblance of truth to her Boogaloo Fantasies!; I’d vote for Biden tomorrow if I thought it would hasten the bloody reckoning. Instead, we have no choice but to re-elect Trump if only because his victory will infuriate these people into aneurysms – given that Devil’s Island is not an option, an aneurysm beats a blank.

    Besides, since the Permanent Underclass these people have been riding to fame and fortune for decades no longer have an ‘off’ switch, a Biden victory will mean nothing and certainly won’t stop the blue-state intifada, so the idea that just hold your nose for four years – at least the riots will stop is no longer in play. All a Biden victory will accomplish is doubling the white tax burden while ensuring that the parasite class will get still more Free Shit – perhaps they’ll raise the Allowable Shoplifting limit to $2000!

    As for the Mostly Peacefuls, America is about to learn the terrible truth about the dire cost of letting violent felons completely off the hook for their murders, assaults, looting, arson & property damage……decent people must now walk the streets, and share their nation, with creatures who’d require two or three evolutionary leaps to rise to the status of “subhumans”; how’d you like those odds without a Second Amendment to protect yourself from the kind of ANC Land Reform murder sprees they’re already loudly hinting at? (We already knew the cops weren’t going to protect us three and four years ago, from Berkeley and Charlottesville, so that’s not exactly the death blow Fox News wants you to think it is.)

    It’s when you realize that the most pressing reason to re-elect Trump isn’t to prevent Orwell’s Oceania from taking place – it’s to prevent Mugabe’s Zimbabwe from spreading to this hemisphere – that you realize the utter uselessness of ‘respectable’ journalism. The clear and present danger of a Leah Sottile isn’t in her demented reimagining of objective reality – it’s in the thoughtful reporting and dynamic storytelling that her baby antifa “j-students” will be carrying out into the world after she’s done inspiring them. Particularly the dynamic storytelling.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    @Ragno


    On the one hand, I think: does anyone still read, or believe, the NYT or WaPo or any of the thousand-and-one ventriloquist dummies seated on the lap of Leviathan?
     
    Funny how the identity ideology cultists of the left, having imbibed from the poisonous well of post-structuralism/deconstruction, Foucalt, Derrida, et al, in their headlong rush to de-legitimize the cultural and political foundations of America and the West, never stopped to consider that the same reasoning could be applied to them. The increasingly shrill cries of "systemic racism", "white supremacy", and "white nationalism" "Emmit Till" and "redlining" just highlight how they are hollow words of propaganda spouted by a narrow faction in control of information dissemination. They don't stop the think about why they are losing mass appeal, and more and more people view them with ever increasing skepticism. It seems that they just want to exercise raw power, and become the oppressors over their enemies, as the deconstructionists would have preferred it. In the end, they just want to be Conan the Barbarian.
  88. @Bill P
    I wouldn't say the deranged freaks are coming from all over the country to Portland and Seattle, but they are in fact coming from all over the Pacific NW. Many of the arrested criminals come from east of the Cascades, where white people are more prone to criminality than the native SWPL Seattle whites. If you look at the local "most wanted" lists they're a lot whiter in the inland West, and the whites are definitely more intimidating. The ones joining the rioting in Portland and Seattle are those who, for whatever reason (often their sexuality), find the atmosphere in the coastal cities more congenial.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    They are coming from liberal arts college culture, and hipster culture, wherein non-traditional gender identifications brings an addictive kind of untouchable power–which fuels their street-tantrum demands that mainstream America show them the same kind of fealty. The full range of drugs–legal meds all the way to heroin–is heavily in effect. It’s somewhat analogous to revolutionary counter-culture of the 60’s, which featured spoiled rich college brats intent on leading a Romantic life as well as bottom-of-the-barrel weirdos like Manson.

  89. accusing your opponent of what you yourself are doing is a great gaslighting strategy

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  90. These guys are having fun ,for a lot of people crime with zero consequences is a dream come true.Years from now when they look back on their twisted little lives this will be the high point.

  91. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Nothing gave the Progressives as big a club with which to beat the Right as the small group of neo-nazis who showed up at the Charlottesville rally. Yet unlike Antifa, the Neo-nazis were actual peaceful protestors. They didn't come to smash windows, set fires, and beat up strangers, they came to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

    BTW, I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real. The Democrats carefully stage-managed that whole event to their political benefit, so why not dress up some agent provocateurs as nazis? Has anyone followed up on who those people were? I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @fnn, @BenKenobi, @R.G. Camara, @anonymous, @Anon, @anon

    I wonder if those Neo-nazis were for real.

    There was vid that I can no longer find showing one of the “Nazi” guys opening up his brand new Nazi flag to wave. The creases in the fabric from being folded up for a long time were quite obvious. There was some effort to identify him but I do not know what if anything was found.

    Of course they all had to be real deal Nazis, because false flags have never, ever happened before in the history of the human race and for sure no group has ever run a false flag operation on US soil. Just like these Boogaloo boys who show up briefly in badly fitting camo to stand around near Only Black Lives Matter demos — then disappear. They are the real deal too, I am so sure. Not false flag fakes, not!

    Nuh uh! Seeing is believing, as long as we only see what is shown to us.

  92. The Left is a religion that posits ‘What Wouldn’t Hitler Do?’ and then does them. Kind of a Constanza Reverse Polarity thingy.

  93. Where are the Antischoo protests?

  94. Watching clips of Antifa try to fight or throw rocks or set fires is, to quote the movie Dodgeball, like watching a couple of retards try to hump a doorknob. These are people who were perpetually picked last. Hence I think the media sympathy, beyond ideology, since most journalism majors are physically not dominant and mentally below average, at least compared to most other college majors, even as their self regard is among the highest.

    That incompetence doesn’t mean they’re safe. On the contrary, the Antifa bunglers are especially dangerous in that they seem to blindly lash out, have horrible situational awareness, and don’t seem to realize how dangerous their allies are and how comparatively harmless the old white people they attack are. It’s a matter of time before something truly disastrous happens, beyond the mess that’s already going on.

  95. Why are such a large percentage of the rioters — criminals who are so violent that they get arrested even in pro-violence Portland — transgender?

    Portland, Oregon is a very pro-feminist area. The men are often the most blue-pilled/pussy-wipped people I’ve encountered in the state. The women are very bossy (Karens on steroids) and will often browbeat anyone. Maybe if you grew up as a male over there, you took your masculine impulses from your mother? You wanted to assert yourself like your Karen mom, but you were a boy so it wasn’t allowed.

    That could very well explain transgenderism. Women want to become men because they prefer being the passive father. Men want to become women to become the aggressive/leadership mother. The natural impulses of both sexes still exist, but must manifest itself in a post-1960s gender role relationship. She wears the pants in the house, while he wears the dress.

  96. @Daniel H
    @wren

    ".....viciousness of character..."

    When initially confronted by the black dudes the trannie pulls out and brandishes a switchblade like device. Talk about taking a confrontation from zero to 60 in 3 seconds. Didn't do any good though, the black thugs disarm the trannie, steal his skateboard and backpack and leave him a weeping, quivering mess. Dude's gonna have a hard time in prison, even if he is sent to the ladies' lockup.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    When initially confronted by the black dudes the trannie pulls out and brandishes a switchblade like device.

    I believe it was a collapsible baton, which is essentially useless against 5 or 6 to one odds.

    At best you’ll incapacitate the first guy only for the rest to swarm you before you can set up for the next baton swing.

  97. Maybe hate is a perfectly normal, healthy, and justified reaction to some people. It seems like the Democrat Party has deliberately chosen the biggest hate worthy douche-bags to represent each and every ethnic group in an attempt to goad normal people. It’s like the Democrat party is the Douche U.N.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
  98. With all due respect Mr. Sailer, your first paragraph needs to be corrected. It should read:

    Over the last half decade a vast amount of in-depth prestige press coverage has been devoted to the so-called “alt-right” while almost none has been devoted to “Antifa,” due to the latter being vastly larger and more favored by government officials, as we’ve seen this year in unfortunate cities such as Minneapolis, Madison, Seattle, and Portland.

    Mussolini famously said, “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism, because it is the merger for corporate power and the state.”

    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.

    Actually, the Antifa phenomenon is pretty interesting. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism? Why are such a large percentage of the rioters — criminals who are so violent that they get arrested even in pro-violence Portland — transgender?

    Q. What is the relationship? A. They are both pretending to be the opposite of what they are. Whether they are doing so ironically or unironically is a secondary issue. It might very well be the latter as many of these people are mentally ill.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Mario Partisan


    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.
     
    This is just so dumb and boomer. It arises from a desperate need to suck up to the jevvish power structure that has spent generations bombarding teevidiots with the notion that fascism=bad communism=nonexistent leftism=good.

    Street violence was a commie/anarchist/leftist thing long before it became a fascist thing. In fact, fascism, and the concomitant fascist street violence, only arose in response to communism/anarchism and commie/anarchist/leftist street violence.

    The color they wear literally doesn't matter, except as a compliment to the trad fascist sense of aesthetics, jealousy of same, and an attempt to "in before" said fascist aesthetic; red and black are just good colors.

    The Bolsheviks got tons of support from corporate America and the American establishment. We can debate whether merging the power of the state and the corporations is "true" leftism, but I think it's safe to say that homo/tranny/jevv/black/degenerate/etc. horseshit is the defining characteristic of leftism today, and the regime/antifa have it all in spades. None of that shit is remotely fascist. On the contrary, real fascism is anti-homo, anti-tranny, anti-jevv, anti-black, and anti-degenerate. Actual fascists want to see the current Wiemerican regime destroyed.

    It's also amusing that you imply that FBI working hand-in-glove with antifa is somehow "fascist." The FBI is tantamount to the NKVD now, but somehow that is "facist?" It's just silly.

    Almost everything in your comment was wrong, EXCEPT insofar as it shows how stupid and wrongheaded mainstream boomercons/GOPers are. All you lot do is fight your natural allies (fascists) on behalf of your sworn enemies. You don't see the left doing this stupid shit.

    Nationalism is the defining characteristic of fascism, and "antifa" and the Wiemerican regime are virulently anti-nationalist.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan, @JimDandy

    , @Muggles
    @Mario Partisan

    >>Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, <<

    While the Italian fascists didn't invent street thuggery (been around since streets, I believe) Mussolini was an ex soldier who had a military fetish.

    One little discussed tactic of the Italian fascist movement was called (in Italian, presumably) "squadism." Mussolini believed that a soldier's squad mates were his life and soul in battle and hence that was the proper tactical unit for his politics. (A theory largely embraced now as formal Army doctrine, your platoon -squad - is why you fight or die.) So Italian fascist thugs were formally organized into local squads to administer beatings and sometimes worse.

    So small groups of antifa squads are the logical extension of antifa's fascist roots and history.

    Whenever I hear about AOC's supposed "squad" of fellow commies I get a laugh about that.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @ATBOTL
    @Mario Partisan


    Antifa are the real fa.
     
    Okey dokey then.
  99. Many if not most transgenders are also queer or bisexual or gay too. I had first thought the men who wanted to be women would then as women want to sleep with men, and vice versa. But post surgery the preferences are all over the place. Some of this might be the activist gay angle, which appears to be mockery of and causing as much pain to traditionalists as possible—e.g. bake me a cake, bigot—but some of it certainly is profoundly confused and unhappy people who have no real direction.

  100. @Rob McX
    OT: I wonder what's behind this...Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge.

    Replies: @El Dato, @justaguynamedme, @Jesse, @MEH 0910, @danand

    “OT: I wonder what’s behind this…Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge.”

    Rob McX, as Postal Service enforcement officers were employed to arrest Bannon, you’d have to assume that this whole USPS dust-up with Trump was “engineered”. Bannon’s arrest had to be at least weeks in the making/preparation.

    Pretty obvious in hindsight the press was “instructed” to create a narrative that Trump was literally at war with the USPS so that when the arrest came the resulting explosion and ensuing inferno would create maximum carnage.

    Could be it was originally intended as an “October Surprise”; but had to be set off today to help distract from Biden’s national coming out party tonight – introducing the world to the shockingly new, unrecognizable Joe – the shell of a man who will tilt this country forward.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @danand

    >>USPS dust-up with Trump was “engineered”. Bannon’s arrest had to be at least weeks in the making/preparation.<<

    I think your interesting theory is a "bridge too far."

    Few outside the Dem TDS orbit buy into any "post office" conspiracy. It is so silly that Pelosi is making herself look foolish. To think that this kind of non thinking gets into secondary effects planning over some barely remembered Trump operative from 2016 is far fetched.

    I have been involved in many very small political groups, fronts, etc. and believe me, they are all ripe for sticky fingers. Professionally I dealt with this in business and in politics it is rampant.

    BLM is awash in easy money so that will be a downfall for some who end up with Cadillacs they can't afford. Other groups, both left and right, have long been plagued by insider corruption. I'm not aware of the details of Bannon's alleged thefts but "Building the Wall" or whatever is very fishy. Did any of the "wall" get funded by this outfit? None? Shocking! So he was easy pickings.

    Of course he's innocent until railroaded guilty.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @James O'Meara
    @danand

    Yes, Trump is supposed to look like he's "lashing out" at the USPS.

    Only the student body president/jouro school wimps of the MSM would try to make the USPS look like heroes.

  101. @Ben tillman
    @Almost Missouri

    Regarding the FBI’s arrests of “foreign terrorists”, it should be noted that foreign terrorists are elsewhere and therefore not subject to arrest by the FBI.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Peter D. Bredon

    So really, the FBI can say, “it recently arrested just as many x as it had foreign terrorists”, and that will always be true, so long as it hasn’t arrested any x.

    OTOH, the FBI maintains a bunch of overseas officers for some reason that was never quite clear to me. And the US government does strange things, like invading Panama so federal police can arrest their president.

  102. I know for a fact that in Seattle, if you “join” or affiliate or do whatever it is you do to get into Antifa and are willing to actually get out in the streets, you get an ATM card that gets $1,500 a month deposited into it.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Thomas

    Thom, that sort of claim need substantiation. A source would help. Can't just say you know for a fact.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @wren, @Thomas

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Thomas


    you get an ATM card that gets $1,500 a month deposited into it.
     
    Pretty sure that Soros, the DNCCCP, and BLM can easily cover that.
  103. @MEH 0910
    @Rob McX

    https://twitter.com/LionBlogosphere/status/1296447903750328321

    Replies: @Flip, @Prof. Woland

    As I have said before, Bannon’s greatest crime is that he became the face of internet news; the new media that took down the print media and the oligarchs that controlled it. His role in helping Trump get elected was only icing on the cake. Never under estimate how much (((certain))) people hate him. That would include the three great reporters that wrote the NYT article or the SDNY attorneys that just happened to prosecute him. Who knew that when he stole fire, he would be playing with it?

  104. @Rob McX
    I've read many articles over the last few decades about transsexuals, and it used to be that they were harmless people who ill-advisedly sought to cure a psychiatric illness by means of surgery. Until the last year or so, I'd never heard of any of them being involved in violence. Until about five years ago, they were politically invisible as far as I can tell. I remember Steve reporting World War T as a new phenomenon around 2014/2015.

    Replies: @Clyde, @R.G. Camara, @Thomas

    The Christine Jourgensen types decades ago were a different breed. The modern strain has just become a magnet for disturbed and angry people. There’s always something in the Zeitgeist that attracts cranks.

    Add in some elements of lower pop- and internet culture. Modern transgenderism is partially driven by video games, anime, girl on girl porn, feminization kink stuff, etc.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Thomas

    But mostly just by jevvish propaganda.

    , @James O'Meara
    @Thomas

    They don't make trannies like they used to.

    But yes, you're right.

  105. @Achmed E. Newman
    Women in the White Nationalist movement?! Ha! They only wish. If they were to get just a handful of hotties they could get big enough to take up at least one white Econoline van and be worthy of an FBI "wire"tap. The hotties would likely be employees of said FBI though, is the only thing ...

    It would be reassuring to think that there is a fixed number of deranged people in the population and that Oregon has generously offered to take on more than its fair share. And that the men who claim to be women who have thus relocated to Portland are also attracted, due to their general viciousness of character, to Antifa.
     
    It'd be nice if that were the case - the Governor could order a pallet of straight jackets straight off amazon, and take care of this in one evening. Please note that though the laws relaxing requirements on genderbenders are State laws, most of Oregon is very conservative. The conservative 95% of the State, area wise, is overwhelmed by the deranged voters in Portland.... OK, Eugene, Ashland maybe ...

    You are onto something, Steve, with this preponderance of genderbenders being part of these riots. I noted from the last post that Jesse guy(?) rioting every night. What a combination - the emotions of a women with the muscle mass of a man!

    Replies: @36 ulster, @Dieter Kief, @James O'Meara

    MUSCLE mass??

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @36 ulster

    Men are more muscular than women.

    (or, are you just talking about this one, errr, guy?)

  106. One possibility is that Oregon’s expansive transgender rights policies draw in crazy people from around the country (or world). From Wikipedia’s article “LGBT Rights in Oregon:”

    In January 2013, as part of an out-of-court settlement in a discrimination suit with a public employee related to medical insurance coverage of a gender assignment surgical procedure, the state agreed to provide full medical insurance coverage for all such surgeries, drugs, and related treatments for individuals covered on public employee health plans.

    I know of a transperson in a midwestern state who has rather rudimentary health insurance, the kind with four- or five-figure deductibles for a broken leg or cancer, but if you decide you’re the wrong gender, it’s suddenly an all expenses paid express lane. I’ve heard of other such cases elsewhere. I assumed there was some obscure codicil deep within the thousands of pages of Obamacare legislation that created this bizarre anti-healthy situation, but maybe it is just that woke corporate insurance companies have seized on the fear of anti-discrimination suits, like the Oregon case, to implement this.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Almost Missouri

    My brother works for a Fortune 100 company where that is true. If you get testicular cancer, the large deductible is on you. If you decide you’re a woman, they’ll cut them off for free.

  107. You Chicken Littles are always finding mountains in molehills.

    Here’s a real mountain for you.

    Your, and I mean your, personally, your job is unnecessary. It is busy-work. It is meaningless, pointless. It is public/private welfare. Thus, you haters of welfare are on welfare. Because your own so-called “job” is welfare, something to keep the yoyos busy while real me get on with real work.

    And so, it you have a “job” in the US, chances are it is really welfare. You know how I can tell? All these people out of “work” and the economy isn’t tanking. Why? Because their “jobs” were not needed in the first place. Something so that higher-ups can brag, “look how many people I got under me.” Under him is right.

  108. “Does anybody know? Is anybody interested in finding out?”

    Maybe this is that one exception to the old cliche “shoot first and ask questions later.”

  109. @JR Ewing
    Three years ago my kids and I started our annual summer road trip in Portland because I had never been to the PNW before. We drove around Oregon and Washington and Idaho for several days before flying home from another airport.

    Loved all of it EXCEPT being on the street in Portland and Seattle. Both places literally felt like they were occupied by crazies. Weird "Antifa looking" type people standing on street corners. Homeless people and camps everywhere. Drug paraphernalia all over the sidewalks. Political graffiti. Hippie professional types who just ignored the weirdness around them. It all just felt off.

    The suburbs of both were fine. The countryside was fine. The highways were fine. Tourist attractions were fine. The weather was gorgeous (on the coast, at least). Beautiful scenery. Normal looking farms and fields. Lots of really nice "normal rednecks" outside of the cities.

    But on the street in the cities themselves, it was VERY unsettling. It did not feel like America to me.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @S. Anonyia

    JR, one of our favorite trips was to fly to San Francisco, stay a few days, drive up to Seattle stay a few days and fly home. Two of America’s best tourist destinations turned to trash. Dogs in SF have to watch they don’t step in human shit. This is sad.

    • Replies: @Marty
    @Buffalo Joe

    Here’s an update on S.F. Yesterday, or perhaps the day before, the Feds in the Presidio started clearing large areas of trees/bushes in which bums have been camping/accumulating trash over the last 4-5 years. At least one other demographic is impacted: Chinese ladies from the old country who pick the more tender leaves for brewing tea.

    , @JR Ewing
    @Buffalo Joe

    Agreed about San Francisco, too. This will be the first year in at least 5 or 6 that I haven't gone to San Francisco at least once during the year for business.

    The hotels and restaurants are great - the last time I was there a year ago my business partner and I were invited to breakfast at the Pacific Union Club. It was beautiful.

    But agreed. Walking down the street is terrible. Dirty, trashy, feels dangerous. Like every other person passing me wants to take my wallet and give me typhus.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    Two of America’s best tourist destinations turned to trash. Dogs in SF have to watch they don’t step in human shit.
     
    Kamala didn't care. Brahmins don't walk the same streets as untouchables.


    Senator drops F-bombs as he struggles to unmute in Post Office hearing

    Delaware's senators are Carper and Coons. How appropriate! Coons occupies Biden's old seat; how long before his name is canceled?

    One of them could have been Joe's pick. Did you know that the presidential and vice presidential candidates are actually allowed to come from the same state? The Constitution stipulates only that electors cannot vote for two candidates from their own state. That would apply only to Delaware's three. All the others could vote for Biden/Carper or Biden/Coons, or Biden/Thorogood for that matter.

    Delaware thrust into unlikely starring role in 2020 campaign


    Nancy Pelosi wouldn't become Vice President upon Joe's premature departure... unless Kamala herself picked her, which she would be perfectly free to do:

    Fact check: If the vice president becomes president, House speaker doesn't become new VP

    The widow of Rep. "Jack-Booted Thugs" gives us a ray of optimism:

    Rep. Debbie Dingell warns Democrats that voter concerns over violence could be more important than trade this election year
  110. I’m assuming that every Steve reader owns at least a dozen:

    Project 1619 (The Original) Black History Month Kwanzaa Gift T-Shirt

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux

    I wonder if Joe Biden could be talked into wearing one.....


    https://supimg.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/87d4b7933d8140cf6c7793402c93dab4.jpg

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @AnotherDad
    @syonredux

    A date which will live in infamy.

    Think how incredibly awesome America would be today if we'd never brought Africans here.

    Shame upon our ancestors for heeding the siren call of cheap labor. "Cheap labor" is never cheap.

    Replies: @Svigor

  111. @Tiny Duck
    the right wing kills may people

    the left wing "extremists" march for civil rights

    Kind of a big difference

    Right wing extremists account for 90% of the violence in the country

    This is based on stats

    Even if it isnt techiniclly accurate it is a healty narrative and should be followed

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    TD, “Wabbit Season” “Duck Season” stay alert.

    • Troll: jon
  112. Antifa has strong connections to the National Lawyers Guild, a Jewish communist group. McCarthy got shut down when he insisted that no one who had been a member of that group be allowed to work for the US government, an entirely correct position.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @ATBOTL

    This Jewish-led group as well:

    https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-nonprofit-with-35m-bails-out-those-accused-of-violent-crimes?fbclid=IwAR3LUZz_8obX2BrNO4_qvjRFd3T4TZVEUDWOV9ufNQ2f3YCsfvMclpNwG88

    https://mnfreedomfund.org/greg-lewin

  113. Chicago defunding police, but not on purpose: the lockdown has gutted the tax base (even before de facto legalized rioting chased taxpayers away). Layoffs and furloughs are coming out of necessity and not activism.
    http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2020/08/layoffs.html
    Somewhat similarly, NPR has been crying about the need for special extra bonus fundraising drives, because of the lack of money from locked down businesses.

    • Replies: @anon
    @J.Ross

    Somewhat similarly, NPR has been crying about the need for special extra bonus fundraising drives, because of the lack of money from locked down businesses.

    Every cloud has a sliver lining!

  114. @syonredux
    I'm assuming that every Steve reader owns at least a dozen:


    Project 1619 (The Original) Black History Month Kwanzaa Gift T-Shirt




    https://www.amazon.com/Project-1619-Original-History-Kwanzaa/dp/B07WTJT3YF

    Replies: @syonredux, @AnotherDad

    I wonder if Joe Biden could be talked into wearing one…..

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @syonredux


    I wonder if Joe Biden could be talked into wearing one…..
     
    t looks as if it would get easier every day to talk joe Biden into whatever somebody wants him to do. - So: Yes. We Can!

    (I have trouble digesting this monumental public play. For example: Not one major German news outlet has even bothered to mention that there might be something wrong with Joe Biden. - As I said - really hard to eh - dig.)

  115. @Wilkey
    @Tono Bungay


    “We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016....”
     
    Why when I read that sentence do I feel like she wanted to finish it up by adding “...and we know who you are and where you live.”

    The implicit and explicit threats against conservatives are getting to be be quite the thing. It started after the Prop 8 vote in California but it has gotten exponentially worse.

    Replies: @mousey, @J.Ross

    Under Bapak Obama they opened up and began aggressively using voting records (I believe this technically changed under W but was used in a new way under Bapak). I was invited to a conference of people, the first discussion at my table was what we had in common and how we had been invited. Turns out we were all Obama voters who normally didn’t vote Democrat. The room went silent because we didn’t think organizations could read voting records.

  116. What I find interesting is how seldom we get the names of any particular antifa. When the judenpresse deigns to actually write about them, I mean – which isn’t often.

    I’m curious to know how many of them are jevvs (or at least, have jevvish-sounding surnames). Until I do, my assumption is “a lot.”

    It stands to reason, because 1) that’s just how jevvs roll (jevvs run Wiemerica), and 2) the judenpresse works to protect no one harder than it works to protect its boss class.

  117. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Dieter Kief

    I see it a different way.


    People with a lack of socially induced control tied to their feelings
     
    How these rioters express their feelings is largely socially controlled. You are just as much socially controlled when you react against everything as when you react with it. There's no driving force coming up through "you" in either case.

    The root of the problem is that the greatest part of our passions are obscured from us, which means that these rioters see the 1% above the surface and immediately invalidate themselves through rationalising it to be about everyone else.

    Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now – being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist…) concepts.
     
    What it means and what is actually describes are very different things.

    These people are always talking about past wrongs, and can almost never bring themselves to exist in the present.

    Nor is it as simple as to say they "feel". We all feel. Even those of us who are immensely repressed, those just push it well out of their sight.

    Instead, it is truer to say that the rioters lack any sort of steady and welcoming awareness of their own feelings.

    They are unable to observe them for more than a split second, before they invalidate their complete self and blame whatever it is they think they have spotted on everyone else.

    This is where their endless outraged irrationalism comes in. They are desperate to come up with reasons, any reasons at all, to run from themselves, and if those reasons can be blamed on whatever they have decided is the other, then even better.

    Once you realise that they invalidate their true feelings first and foremost, you will understand why they are haunted by phantoms of repression.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    I see your point.
    But can’t we agree even though in saying that history does make sense – and that being human should reduce the strings which hold us together as a society to mere feelings. – There are norms and customs and traditions etc. – and they do play a – reasonable – part in leading a good life and should thus be respected, even if we – for some moments – might think that we, as the indescribably precious and individual snowflakes, would represent individually and by the pure will of ourselves all that matters simply via our bodies = our naturally fragile and ultimately rich super-important selves.

    – I run more and more into people who don’t understand that such a self-description has a deceptively sparkling center, that is, unfortunately, inconsistent (= fragile (= prone to self-pity, prone to real mishaps, to hard disillusionments, frustrations over frustrations and more often than not misery and suffering of all kinds – – – – as a reward – : –

    “The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in ’68
    And he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday
    Cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark cafe
    You laugh, he said you think you’re immune, go look at your eyes
    They’re full of moon”

    – Joni Mitchell in Richard, on Blue).

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Dieter Kief

    People locked into themselves (often sadists) are as alienated as those who are locked out of themselves (often masochists).

    But then sadists are just masochists from another view and vice versa.

    To be aware that you are others and others are you is the balance, though obviously hard to consistently achieve.

    , @Anonymous
    @Dieter Kief

    Dieter, the US is a formerly civilized country and people being ruled by barbarians. The barbarians are the big city political leaders, descendants of the big city political machines of the 1900s. The leaders back then were second generation immigrants (or outcasts from the pre-1840 population) who believed in nothing but themselves, their leader, and money. They outmaneuvered their opponents (corporations, labor unions, the Solid South) after WW II, and have dominated since the 1960s revolution. See Copley's _Uncivilization_ for another perspective on the same phenomenon.

    I've seen the transition from an actual society to what we have now -- and here's what happened to your description of the civilized life:


    There are norms and customs and traditions etc. – and they do play a – reasonable – part in leading a good life and should thus be respected,
     
    The descendants of the Big City Political Machines lead still believe in nothing except themselves, their organization, and money (see: postmodernism). The norms, customs, and traditions they see as something to take advantage of. If it is the norm to spank children, well, that's a handle to disorganize the opposition and get a bit more money by making families into Hell and pushing now unmarriageable women into the workplace where they generate taxes, and to make divorced men who don't have anything left to defend and so don't oppose your organization.

    even if we – for some moments – might think that we, as the indescribably precious and individual snowflakes, would represent individually and by the pure will of ourselves all that matters simply via our bodies = our naturally fragile and ultimately rich super-important selves.
     
    That's the goal -- isolate and dominate. It's not portrayed in contemporary societies as a temptation to ignore the common good, it's described as the common good so long as it follows the party line.

    Dieter, you're sounding like the rabbit in Watership Down
    https://youtu.be/5PdwxamslN0?t=1685

    You might want to watch that entire sequence. You are living with people who feed you and set snares -- and, as in "Watership Down", you feed them. Abstractions and concern for others can be good things, but they aren't the only thing.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  118. @Thomas
    @Rob McX

    The Christine Jourgensen types decades ago were a different breed. The modern strain has just become a magnet for disturbed and angry people. There's always something in the Zeitgeist that attracts cranks.

    Add in some elements of lower pop- and internet culture. Modern transgenderism is partially driven by video games, anime, girl on girl porn, feminization kink stuff, etc.

    Replies: @Svigor, @James O'Meara

    But mostly just by jevvish propaganda.

  119. @Thomas
    I know for a fact that in Seattle, if you "join" or affiliate or do whatever it is you do to get into Antifa and are willing to actually get out in the streets, you get an ATM card that gets $1,500 a month deposited into it.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Thom, that sort of claim need substantiation. A source would help. Can’t just say you know for a fact.

    • Agree: res, Roderick Spode, Muggles
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Buffalo Joe

    To be fair, a lot of the testimonial commentary here we take on faith. That's why we have consistent handles. For example, I have no proof that you are an ironworker from Buffalo, but from reading your commentary over the years, I am convinced of it. Even more, I'm convinced you write honest comments, accurately observed, in good faith.

    I don't have an off-the-top-of-my-head impression of Thomas, but he's apparently made 1400 comments here, so anyone can discern his reliability for themselves.

    I too always appreciate having more proof rather than less, but I understand that risks of doxxing and the difficulties of obtaining the evidence his statement would require, so it is still better to have Thomas's word, backed by his reputation, rather than having nothing at all.

    Certainly, what he says is plausible and corresponds to things I have seen elsewhere:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/do-antifa-tend-to-be-quite-ugly/#comment-3936626

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @wren
    @Buffalo Joe

    I've seen videos of protesters getting paid but, the debit card seems to be satire.

    https://www.truthorfiction.com/antifa-debit-card/

    I'm not saying Thomas is not referring to something else, nor am I endorsing that website.

    , @Thomas
    @Buffalo Joe

    I've heard it recounted by family members of teenagers who got involved with Antifa. I'm located in Seattle and personally involved in some of the activities going on in this part of the country currently.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Buffalo Joe

  120. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    I wonder if Joe Biden could be talked into wearing one.....


    https://supimg.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/87d4b7933d8140cf6c7793402c93dab4.jpg

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    I wonder if Joe Biden could be talked into wearing one…..

    t looks as if it would get easier every day to talk joe Biden into whatever somebody wants him to do. – So: Yes. We Can!

    (I have trouble digesting this monumental public play. For example: Not one major German news outlet has even bothered to mention that there might be something wrong with Joe Biden. – As I said – really hard to eh – dig.)

  121. @JimB
    In majority minority America, the weak shall suffer. The depravity of many blacks knows no bottom.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/black-lives-matter-supporters-run-brutally-beat-raccoon-death-claim-white-people-worry-animals-video/

    Replies: @Daniel H, @sayless, @Anonymous, @throtler

    That is truly depraved. They will do that to us if things spin out of control.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Daniel H


    That is truly depraved. They will do that to us if things spin out of control.
     
    VDare was on this type of story during the 2000-oughts. They argued that the rising Latino population would result in a surge in animal cruelty in the United States. But blacks were already disproportionately responsible for animal cruelty. Similar to the hypothesis that all intelligence tests are correlated by some polygenic variable g, it would seem that all acts of violence and depravity are also governed by some variable e (for evil) which, on average, tends to be high in Latinos but much higher in blacks.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  122. @Mario Partisan
    With all due respect Mr. Sailer, your first paragraph needs to be corrected. It should read:

    Over the last half decade a vast amount of in-depth prestige press coverage has been devoted to the so-called “alt-right” while almost none has been devoted to “Antifa,” due to the latter being vastly larger and more favored by government officials, as we’ve seen this year in unfortunate cities such as Minneapolis, Madison, Seattle, and Portland.
     
    Mussolini famously said, “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism, because it is the merger for corporate power and the state.”

    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.


    Actually, the Antifa phenomenon is pretty interesting. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism? Why are such a large percentage of the rioters — criminals who are so violent that they get arrested even in pro-violence Portland — transgender?

     

    Q. What is the relationship? A. They are both pretending to be the opposite of what they are. Whether they are doing so ironically or unironically is a secondary issue. It might very well be the latter as many of these people are mentally ill.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Muggles, @ATBOTL

    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.

    This is just so dumb and boomer. It arises from a desperate need to suck up to the jevvish power structure that has spent generations bombarding teevidiots with the notion that fascism=bad communism=nonexistent leftism=good.

    Street violence was a commie/anarchist/leftist thing long before it became a fascist thing. In fact, fascism, and the concomitant fascist street violence, only arose in response to communism/anarchism and commie/anarchist/leftist street violence.

    The color they wear literally doesn’t matter, except as a compliment to the trad fascist sense of aesthetics, jealousy of same, and an attempt to “in before” said fascist aesthetic; red and black are just good colors.

    The Bolsheviks got tons of support from corporate America and the American establishment. We can debate whether merging the power of the state and the corporations is “true” leftism, but I think it’s safe to say that homo/tranny/jevv/black/degenerate/etc. horseshit is the defining characteristic of leftism today, and the regime/antifa have it all in spades. None of that shit is remotely fascist. On the contrary, real fascism is anti-homo, anti-tranny, anti-jevv, anti-black, and anti-degenerate. Actual fascists want to see the current Wiemerican regime destroyed.

    It’s also amusing that you imply that FBI working hand-in-glove with antifa is somehow “fascist.” The FBI is tantamount to the NKVD now, but somehow that is “facist?” It’s just silly.

    Almost everything in your comment was wrong, EXCEPT insofar as it shows how stupid and wrongheaded mainstream boomercons/GOPers are. All you lot do is fight your natural allies (fascists) on behalf of your sworn enemies. You don’t see the left doing this stupid shit.

    Nationalism is the defining characteristic of fascism, and “antifa” and the Wiemerican regime are virulently anti-nationalist.

    • Agree: 3g4me, Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
    @Svigor



    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.
     
    This is just so dumb and boomer. It arises from a desperate need to suck up to the jevvish power structure that has spent generations bombarding teevidiots with the notion that fascism=bad communism=nonexistent leftism=good.

     

    Ti faccio un consiglio: e meglio che conosci una persona prima di lanciare accusazioni o di fare assunzioni. D’acordo?

    First, I am not a boomer, rather a Gen X/Y cusper. Neither am I a GOPer. Neither do I confuse communism and fascism.

    Just so you know: somewhere in my family’s old photo albums there is a picture of my nonno as a teenager hanging out with the local Black Shirt club. He supported and admired Benito his entire life, but as the family says he wasn’t a Fascist “del cuore” but just of the stomach. His brothers on the other hand were proud and life-long PCI members and partigiani. So perhaps I have a basis for my understanding that you do not. As Trump might say, there were good people on both sides.

    As I have advised another here at UR before, it is not advisable to apply our contemporary understanding of terms to their adherents of past eras and foreign lands. You are right that Americans have a horrible understanding of history and political ideologies. Even those somewhat better informed still project their own antipathies and sympathies onto the movements of same name from yesteryear with little interest in understanding the complexities that were actually involved.

    Do you know that Mussolini had been a leading member of the PSI, but was expelled for supporting Italy’s entry into WWI, which sent 600,000+ Italians to their deaths leaving behind legions of orphans? Do you know that the PSI was the only major Second International party to oppose WWI, while all of the others in France, Germany, Britain, etc. backed the slaughter of their own working classes? Do you know that the hardship of the post-WWI period in Italy led to class antagonisms that the liberal elite of Italy were powerless to stop and that the King of Italy handed total power to Mussolini to protect the interests of the propertied classes, while using Civic Nationalism as a substitute for class identity? Do you know that Mussolini, whatever his own vision was, was constrained by the fact that he was being used by the monarchy, aristocracy and bourgeoisie to throttle the working class?

    Yes, the pseudo-left of today, i.e. Antifa, DNC, Soros and Bezos, etc., love all of the degenerate cultural crap that is being shoved on the people, but they love it because identity politics is a substitute for class politics just as Mussolini’s so-called nationalism was. In their own ways, they are parallels in that they serve to wed the working classes to their respective elites. The difference is that the Italian elite of yesteryear was actually Italian, so nationalism was in its interest, while the elite of America is part of a transnational oligarchy and so sees anti-nationalism as in its interest.

    Similarly, if you asked Antifa, they would say that their actions are in response to the rise of the Alt-Right and populism. You can quibble about violence (I agree the Alt-Right is not the violent one), but that fits with my parallel: the Black Shirts were a thuggish response to a populist rising among Italian workers in the early 1920s. Like I said, the Fascists did have working class supporters, but mainly by borrowing the minimum from the Left’s program as a cooptation mechanism.

    Finally, just to highlight that the world doesn’t always fit into a nice shoe box. Mussolini, the nationalist, turned his country into an occupied land, first by Germans then by Anglo-Americans. Meanwhile, my dad’s commie uncles took rifle shots at German soldiers - but not their brother - to defend their own homeland. Who were the real nationalists? I can’t be sure, but I’m positive that if they had gotten their way, Italy would have been on the other side of the Iron curtain and not dealing with this degenerate cultural crap like they are today, like the rest of Eastern Europe isn't. Of course, they would have dealt with other crap.

    Finally (take 2), do you think it is wise to amplify the Anti-fascist label of Antifa with normies just to try to improve the image of your fascist label? Maybe you want to use their own meme against them and get as many liberal leaning normies to hate these scum as much as possible.

    I'm on your side...I think.

    Replies: @Svigor

    , @JimDandy
    @Svigor

    Ok, how about... Proud Boys are Nazis.

    And... go!

  123. @Achmed E. Newman
    Women in the White Nationalist movement?! Ha! They only wish. If they were to get just a handful of hotties they could get big enough to take up at least one white Econoline van and be worthy of an FBI "wire"tap. The hotties would likely be employees of said FBI though, is the only thing ...

    It would be reassuring to think that there is a fixed number of deranged people in the population and that Oregon has generously offered to take on more than its fair share. And that the men who claim to be women who have thus relocated to Portland are also attracted, due to their general viciousness of character, to Antifa.
     
    It'd be nice if that were the case - the Governor could order a pallet of straight jackets straight off amazon, and take care of this in one evening. Please note that though the laws relaxing requirements on genderbenders are State laws, most of Oregon is very conservative. The conservative 95% of the State, area wise, is overwhelmed by the deranged voters in Portland.... OK, Eugene, Ashland maybe ...

    You are onto something, Steve, with this preponderance of genderbenders being part of these riots. I noted from the last post that Jesse guy(?) rioting every night. What a combination - the emotions of a women with the muscle mass of a man!

    Replies: @36 ulster, @Dieter Kief, @James O'Meara

    What a combination – the emotions of a women with the muscle mass of a man!

    It does make a shrewd sense. – That’s also close to what the ex-martial-arts-fighter Joe Rogan gets really upset about: Self-declared “women” fighting biological women in real-world competitions and beating them into shattered pieces. Unbelievable.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Dieter Kief

    But it’s pretty funny!

    https://youtu.be/URz-RYEOaig

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  124. @Roderick Spode
    The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called "Antifa." Boomer conservatives decrying the Antifa Menace sound as out-of-touch as liberals who think there's such a thing as "The KKK."

    Just say anarchists.

    Replies: @anon, @Robert Dolan, @AnotherDad

    The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called “Antifa.”

    Because anarchists generally don’t form centralized organizations. Weasel much?

    Antifa do form orgs. Here’s one example:

    https://www.rosecityantifa.org/

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @anon

    >>Antifa do form orgs. Here’s one example:<<

    They do appear to operate small informal groups. Anyone can get a URL.

    Despite someone's claim here, I doubt they maintain bank accounts in that name or under any traceable form. No one has provided evidence for that. Banks are pretty sticky about who is who.

    Most crime groups at this level use cash.

    Also, though the FBI is hardly anti-antifa (nor the DOJ) as discussed elsewhere and earlier on iSteve, the federal and state RICO laws would hammer any formal antifa group that had public leadership or traceable assets. Assuming the feds really want to stop the violence.

    There are lots of informal groups or associations which have names but little actual structure or leaders.

  125. @Jesse
    The point is that the TG agenda is stealth eugenics. You get the distressed/mentally ill/autistic/unstable and you convince them to voluntarily take themselves out of the gene pool. (Yes, a lot of the older men in it have had kids, but they're obsessed with getting the next generations young.)

    Obviously, a social trend (TG) designed to attract and sterilise/mutilate the most mentally ill is going to attract unstable people. Obviously, a social movement that depends on a group of unstable/jobless sorts to act like lunatics is going to attract the most mentally ill. Combined with the fact that the same people, at the top level, are organising it, and the combination makes sense.

    A man at one of Canada's (? I think) premier gender dysphoria clinics, someone with vast experience in the field and who believes that transition can be a solution to a minority of cases, was hounded from his job a whole back. Why? Because, based on his vast experience, he advocated "watchful waiting" and dealing with existing emotional and social issues, rather than immediately starting hormones and surgery. Most cases desist, and wind up gay or lesbian, or at least gender nonconforming.

    He also advocated giving men who transition breast implants rather than dosing them with cross sex hormones to induce "breasts". Because he cared deeply for his patients and didn't want to induce heart attacks and cancers. God forbid people in severe distress get careful, well thought out care, amirite?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Johns Hopkins in Baltimore did a lot of tranny surgery starting in the 70s. Followups showed that these “guys” were no happier than before, and some much more unhappy, so they stopped.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jim Don Bob

    some much more unhappy,

    Yeah, unhappy enough to top themselves. Suicide among trans post surgery has been a reality since the 1970's. Apparently something not worth studying anymore, for some reason.

    , @Ancient Briton
    @Jim Don Bob

    As noted by Dr. H. Lecter in Silence of the Lambs.

  126. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Prefatory to a (hopefully, maybe) more systematic analysis in a later comment, here are just some scattered observations, just information that needs to be ingested before one ventures further....

    1. There are no actual fascists in America, or pretty much anywhere else in the world really, and there are also no actual Nazis. Marginalized, powerless, mentally ill people who dress up in stupid costumes are not an actual political force in America. People with dopey swastika tattoos who dress up in wacky uniforms do not go to Harvard, they don't get to write for the New York Times, they don't get AIPAC-funded seats in Congress, and none of them has ever had enough clout to start a trillion-dollar self-interested war in Iraq. Politically speaking, so-called "fascists" and "Nazis" do not actually exist.

    2. The fact that every once in a while, an innocent person gets attacked or injured by a couple of costume-wearing weirdos is unfortunate, but it's not a "threat," and it's certainly not "domestic terrorism" (a meaningless propaganda phrase). It is simply a statistical aberration. If you look at Paul Kersey's blog on this very site, you will find pretty much daily instances of White people being raped, murdered, and terrorized by blacks, all with a rather obvious race-based motivation. There is no such massive documentation of any kind of behavior like this done by the imaginary Nazis or the FBI/ADL-imaginary Ku Klux Klan. White people who wander in to black neighborhoods get actually raped and murdered. Black people who wander into White neighborhoods get microaggressions.

    3. The people who style themselves Antifa or anti-fascist are really against leprechauns, unicorns and flying monkeys. There are no fascists or Nazis to oppose: they are doing this because they either want to be in a gang, but don't have the cojones or the cred to join the Crips or the LKs; they're nerds who are looking to get laid by making up this macho tuff-guy routine; they want to feel self-righteous by burning witches and slaying zombies; they are historically illiterate and have no background in moral reasoning; they think they're still marching for Cibil rights in 1963, or fighting an imaginary Holocaust; or all of the above.

    4. Oregon, as a state, is about the size of the UK, but it only has one major city, Portland, which isn't really that big. The entire PNW if you include Idaho and so on is bigger than England France combined, but only has two real cities, Seattle and Portland. That means that these places are collection centers for every sort of disaffected weirdo who couldn't get to Paris or London.

    5. Cities like NYC, LA, (or even Chicago and San Francisco) are full of hipsters who are looking to get into The Business, or make it in the Big Time. There is no Big Time in Portland, yet it's full of hipsters, looking to make a reputation. This creates an energy problem.

    More later.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anon, @sayless

    Portland has for years had a reputation in computer circles for being full of pot heads. Too much of today’s pot can make you crazy especially if you tend that way.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jim Don Bob

    "Too much of today’s pot can make you crazy especially if you tend that way."

    Yes, the genetically modified stuff (they called it 'skunk' in the UK back in the 80s) is much more potent than it used to be.

    One of my kids friends, liberal parents let him smoke at home aged 14-15, it's done his mental health no good at all and he's 22 now. Status trajectory age 14-22 is from "cool kid" whose parties you wanted an invite to, to "poor guy" who doesn't have parties.

    I don't think his folks realised this wasn't the stuff they were smoking at uni.

  127. @Tiny Duck
    the right wing kills may people

    the left wing "extremists" march for civil rights

    Kind of a big difference

    Right wing extremists account for 90% of the violence in the country

    This is based on stats

    Even if it isnt techiniclly accurate it is a healty narrative and should be followed

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    the right wing kills may people

    Fortunately it’s August.

  128. @Dieter Kief
    @Achmed E. Newman


    What a combination – the emotions of a women with the muscle mass of a man!
     
    It does make a shrewd sense. - That's also close to what the ex-martial-arts-fighter Joe Rogan gets really upset about: Self-declared "women" fighting biological women in real-world competitions and beating them into shattered pieces. Unbelievable.

    Replies: @Kronos

    But it’s pretty funny!

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Kronos

    I laughed about Heather Swanson and Mr. Dingleberry. I might not be admitted to Trans-Heaven though. Too bad - me too. Sigh, sigh.

  129. Tranny riots. They’re mean, they’re big, they’re aggressive and they’re angry! Don’t be fooled by the high heels!

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @BB753

    It's like no one actually remembers what "Stonewall" was.

    , @BB753
    @BB753

    OK, but what exactly is Tabitha Poppins angry about?

  130. @syonredux
    I'm assuming that every Steve reader owns at least a dozen:


    Project 1619 (The Original) Black History Month Kwanzaa Gift T-Shirt




    https://www.amazon.com/Project-1619-Original-History-Kwanzaa/dp/B07WTJT3YF

    Replies: @syonredux, @AnotherDad

    A date which will live in infamy.

    Think how incredibly awesome America would be today if we’d never brought Africans here.

    Shame upon our ancestors for heeding the siren call of cheap labor. “Cheap labor” is never cheap.

    • Agree: bruce county
    • Replies: @Svigor
    @AnotherDad

    If I had the choice of going back in time and keeping blacks out, or jevvs, I'd choose jevvs in a heartbeat. Segregation solved the black-white issue just fine, and would again - a solution jevvs would oppose with all of their considerable solidarity, wealth, and zeal.

  131. anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist
    The emergence of white nationalism must drive our elites nuts because it shows the limits of their utopian social engineering. Instead white nationalism has grown organically, spontaneously, across a wide spectrum of white society, and without any central planning to make it happen - indeed, in defiance of central planning. You could probably accurately call it a Hayekian phenomenon.

    By contrast, it requires ideology, central planning and the use of brute force to try to make "racism" go away. The white "racist" lives more in harmony with man's nature than the white liberal who lives in constant anxiety about adhering to an arbitrary and constantly changing standard regarding how to treat people outside of his tribe.

    Replies: @anonymous

    California is the 2nd most non-white state in the union. The state is 35% non-Hispanic white compared to 59% for the US as a whole. However, whites despite being a minority in California did not go tribal. Rather 60% of whites voted for Hillary in 2016. There is no hint of white nationalism in California. And, white nationalism is definitely not surging to any significant presence in the US. The rest of the country is 40 years away from California.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @anonymous

    Post-Charlottesville, some prof did a study and found that something like 10% of Whites are proto-WN - basically, our guys before even being exposed to our stuff. He revised that figure down a couple times because the figures were upsetting jevvs, but there it is.

    California has seen massive White flight, so in a lot of ways it's going to be an example of apples when the issue is oranges.

    Whites are currently a bit of organization away from upsetting the applecart, if you'll allow me to torture the metaphor, and yes, anyone paying attention knows that pro-White thinking has grown substantially in this century (I've been in this thing since 2003, and the difference is palpable), and is continuing to grow (that's why the jevvs have cracked down - they calculate that cracking down is the better of two bad choices (cracking down or ignoring the growth)).

    , @anon
    @anonymous


    There is no hint of white nationalism in California. And, white nationalism is definitely not surging to any significant presence in the US. The rest of the country is 40 years away from California.
     
    The question is, is the rest of the country 40 years BEHIND California or 40 years AHEAD?

    Replies: @anonymous

  132. @Roderick Spode
    The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called "Antifa." Boomer conservatives decrying the Antifa Menace sound as out-of-touch as liberals who think there's such a thing as "The KKK."

    Just say anarchists.

    Replies: @anon, @Robert Dolan, @AnotherDad

    You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Antifa have Twitter and FB accounts and they have serious funding.

    They are supported by the ADL/ DNC/FBI/SPLC, etc.

    James O’Keefe revealed their organized training sessions.

    They are communist filth.

    You are no more convincing than Jerry Nadler.

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    @Robert Dolan

    These Antifa types tend to come from my generation, which I'm guessing is not yours.

    Here's how you join Antifa:

    1. Put on a mask

    2. Participate in an anarchist protest/riot

    3. That's it. You did it! You're Antifa now.

    They're a bunch of sad losers and wimps, not exactly Leon Czolgosz material.

  133. @Buffalo Joe
    @Thomas

    Thom, that sort of claim need substantiation. A source would help. Can't just say you know for a fact.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @wren, @Thomas

    To be fair, a lot of the testimonial commentary here we take on faith. That’s why we have consistent handles. For example, I have no proof that you are an ironworker from Buffalo, but from reading your commentary over the years, I am convinced of it. Even more, I’m convinced you write honest comments, accurately observed, in good faith.

    I don’t have an off-the-top-of-my-head impression of Thomas, but he’s apparently made 1400 comments here, so anyone can discern his reliability for themselves.

    I too always appreciate having more proof rather than less, but I understand that risks of doxxing and the difficulties of obtaining the evidence his statement would require, so it is still better to have Thomas’s word, backed by his reputation, rather than having nothing at all.

    Certainly, what he says is plausible and corresponds to things I have seen elsewhere:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/do-antifa-tend-to-be-quite-ugly/#comment-3936626

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Almost Missouri

    Missouri, I respect your opinion and I think your reply is well thought out, but Thomas states this as a fact. Pretty serious accusation worthy of an investigation. But we are good and who would claim to be an Ironworker? I was always a Gynecologist in my bar hopping days.

    Replies: @JMcG

  134. @Kronos
    @Dieter Kief

    But it’s pretty funny!

    https://youtu.be/URz-RYEOaig

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    I laughed about Heather Swanson and Mr. Dingleberry. I might not be admitted to Trans-Heaven though. Too bad – me too. Sigh, sigh.

  135. @Not Only Wrathful
    Imagine two pieces of advice to an obviously distressed person:

    1. You're fine, you are you and you can relax, you just need to accept things.

    2. You're not fine, but you will be, after you are genitally mutilated, chemically castrated and the whole of society is torn down in order to distract you from your pain.

    I wonder which one will help people more 🤔

    Replies: @bruce county, @Exador

    I wonder which one will help people more 🤔

    ArmaLite.

  136. @Almost Missouri

    One possibility is that Oregon’s expansive transgender rights policies draw in crazy people from around the country (or world). From Wikipedia’s article “LGBT Rights in Oregon:”

    In January 2013, as part of an out-of-court settlement in a discrimination suit with a public employee related to medical insurance coverage of a gender assignment surgical procedure, the state agreed to provide full medical insurance coverage for all such surgeries, drugs, and related treatments for individuals covered on public employee health plans.
     

     
    I know of a transperson in a midwestern state who has rather rudimentary health insurance, the kind with four- or five-figure deductibles for a broken leg or cancer, but if you decide you're the wrong gender, it's suddenly an all expenses paid express lane. I've heard of other such cases elsewhere. I assumed there was some obscure codicil deep within the thousands of pages of Obamacare legislation that created this bizarre anti-healthy situation, but maybe it is just that woke corporate insurance companies have seized on the fear of anti-discrimination suits, like the Oregon case, to implement this.

    Replies: @JMcG

    My brother works for a Fortune 100 company where that is true. If you get testicular cancer, the large deductible is on you. If you decide you’re a woman, they’ll cut them off for free.

  137. @AaronInMVD
    @Almost Missouri

    Well, his site is online. He's now mostly subject to a sort of studious ignoring by the "mainstream" every since 2016. I suspect it is because they figured out Anglin actually manages to cut at their narrative successfully. The mainstream narrative cultivators would rather focus their attention bringing powers on... less effective, less polished rightwingers that haven't yet been hardened by exposure to the mainstream's ritual hate.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    his site is online.

    Barely. He managed to get hosting at an abandoned TLD from the old Soviet Union(!), which he does not expect will survive another media/deepstate onslaught. His site is not indexed by any major search engine, and as you note, is studiously ignored by the mainstream, so effectively it doesn’t exist for most of his potential audience. And he only got that site after being off the public internet completely for some time.

  138. @aguynamedmetoo
    "Leah Sottile"
    Do we even have to ask?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    “Leah Sottile”
    Do we even have to ask?

    Not Jewish, if that’s what you meant. It’s a Sicilian name.

  139. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    “due to their general viciousness of character”

    Come on. This is unsupported by any broad evidence. You’re wording good past fairly ‘noticing’ a disproportionate share of trans people in these leftist movements, to a general attack on trans women, which shows the very viciousness you decry.

    In terms of my own ‘noticing,’ the average trans woman is from what I have seen an introverted, insecure, well-educated professional, not the marginal, histrionic, extrovert type that seems to fill out the ranks of AntiFa.

    This is precisely what keeps me from donating to you despite your yeoman’s work on HBD.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Anon


    In terms of my own ‘noticing,’ the average trans woman is from what I have seen an introverted, insecure, well-educated professionals
     
    Insecure and introverted people don't hang placards around their necks with a list of demands for strangers to fulfill. They don't attract attention. They are wallflowers.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    In terms of my own ‘noticing,’ the average trans woman is from what I have seen an introverted, insecure, well-educated professional, not the marginal, histrionic, extrovert type that seems to fill out the ranks of AntiFa.

    This is precisely what keeps me from donating to you despite your yeoman’s work on HBD.
     
    Sorry, you're still not a woman.
  140. @J.Ross
    J.Ross's first named law: huge establishment discussion is devoted to nothing, the real story is undiscussed. The "Alt-Right" at most real (which is far more than it deserves) was less than a hundred people, the more accurate statement would be that as a movement it never existed at all, and its unfleshed skeleton was a guy who (if not a fed) came up with and copyrighted a term which the lyingpress successfully poisoned. The Bugalu Boys were obviously feds (and all but said so). The Proud Boys are anti-Nazis defamed as Nazis. Insofar as Antifa fades from a political organization into popular outrage, it draws upon (and draws deniability from) homeless people, addicts, marginal vagrant types, and students gone bad, whose violence the lyingpeess cheerfully denies or spins apologetics for -- in other words, the "alt-right" without politics is two or three guys who wanted to be famous, but Antifa without politics were already prosecutable criminals!
    I hope white people have learned a lesson about cooperating with the same police who will arrest them for defending their property or their family but do nothing about arsonists and murderers.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “huge establishment discussion is devoted to nothing, the real story is undiscussed”

    The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    The late crooked oligarch Boris Berezovsky, discussing the post-Yeltsin future of Russia with his protege Vladimir Putin :

    Look, I’ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there’s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented.

    I think the US got there first. Trump broke through DESPITE his party, but the Republican Party is Berezovsky’s neocon party.

  141. @Almost Missouri
    @Ben tillman

    I've thought it for a long time. Indeed, it's even worse than that little quote.



    Wolf’s comments that day at the news conference were, perhaps, one point of origin for an Antifa panic that then began rippling out across the country. Soon, rumors were proliferating on social media: Vans filled with destructive antifascists were coming to small-town America, spreading looting and chaos.
     

     
    This in fact happens with some frequency, though antifa generally loses the encounter. Whether or not they arrived in vans, I can't say.


    That evening, President Trump tweeted that he would be classifying Antifa as a terrorist group (something he does not have the authority to do).
     

     
    Is that true? Someone in the government classifies groups as terrorists. If it is not anyone in the executive branch, who is it? For Foreign Terrorist Organizations, the Department of State, a department of the Executive Branch, does it, so the Exec branch can do it for foreign orgs. Are domestics different? (It probably is true that Trump did not follow through though.)


    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups.
     

     
    Citation needed.


    Christopher Wray, director of the F.B.I., told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing on F.B.I. oversight in July 2019 that his agency had recently arrested just as many domestic terrorists as it had foreign terrorists, and that a majority of the domestic terrorists investigated were white supremacists.
     

     
    Inasmuch as the FBI arrests of foreign terrorists are hovering around zero, combined with the bias of authorities that foreigners gunning down rooms full of Americans is "workplace violence" while you posting an opinion on the internet is "domestic trerrorism" make this statement meaningless.


    And by this February, Wray said the F.B.I. had placed “racially motivated violent extremism” at the highest threat level and that “lone actor” terrorists were of top concern to the agency. He said that 2019 had been the deadliest year for domestic violent extremism since 1995, the year of the Oklahoma City bombing.
     

     
    Presumably this is the anti-Mexican El Paso shooting. Something tells me antifa/BLM-related killings don't appear on Wray's terrorism radar.

    By the way, is anyone keeping track of all the terrorism and hate-killings that the authorities deny are terrorism and hate killings?



    Amid the hysteria about nonexistent vans full of Antifa supersoldiers,
     

     
    Haha, yeah it's true that Antifa supersoldiers are nonexistent...


    actual heavily armed militia groups around the country stepped in to provide what they saw as protection to communities, often with the encouragement of lawmakers.
     

     
    Remind me, did violent antifa and BLM rioters and criminals receive any "encouragement" from lawmakers? How about active collaboration with government officials? Or maybe some of them are actual government officials? I'm just trying to remember...

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Ben tillman, @jon

    This is how the bullshit becomes the narrative:

    But numerous reports in the past year asserted that violence from right-wing “homegrown terrorists” was now an equal or greater threat than attacks from foreign jihadist groups. Christopher Wray, director of the F.B.I., told the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing on F.B.I. oversight in July 2019 that his agency had recently arrested just as many domestic terrorists as it had foreign terrorists, and that a majority of the domestic terrorists investigated were white supremacists.

    Numerous reports? From who? Vox, the ADL, some cranks blog? If it were from someplace credible, they would say explicitly. But on to the bigger lie, let’s run some numbers. The FBI arrested an equal number of domestic and foreign, so let’s say 100 each. And the domestic was majority white supremacist, so let’s say 51. Since the foreign arrests were not, by definition, right-wing “homegrown terrorists,” that means a 149 foreign to 51 domestic (3 to 1) ratio is totally consistent with what was written. I have no idea what the specific numbers are, but again, if the numbers were supportive, they would say explicitly.

    And by this February, Wray said the F.B.I. had placed “racially motivated violent extremism” at the highest threat level and that “lone actor” terrorists were of top concern to the agency. He said that 2019 had been the deadliest year for domestic violent extremism since 1995

    Antifa and BLM are both domestic, violent and extreme organizations, so the deadliness of this year may be totally irrelevant to the deadliness of white supremacists. And again, if the numbers were supportive, they would say explicitly.
    This PSA provided by Jon. The More You Know.

  142. Former Trump speechwriter Darren Beattie said something interesting. Antifa may in fact be a State Dept.-managed color revolution. It has a lot of the hallmarks of State Dept. regime change operations in Eastern Europe, in countries targeted by globalists. And I’ve heard the State Dept. is the LGBTQ headquarters in Washington, which would explain the queer/pedo profile of the anarchists.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Bragadocious

    Not exactly a mystery, but meaningless without skullbreaking, and meanwhile these selfless patriots have decided to burn up their own cities for a political stunt they will almost certainly fail to achieve.

  143. @justaguynamedme
    For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism?

    Mental illness.

    Replies: @Svigor

    Nice. 🙂

    Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if 1/4 to 1/2 or more of “antifa” wind up on the “fascist” side over time. A lot of these guys are natural “fascists” but don’t know it yet, and “fascism” isn’t yet strong enough to attract them (“fascism” is suppressed and kept off the streets by the pigs…for now).

    I think we can at least agree that “fascism” will capture far more “antifa” loyalty in the foreseeable future than vice-versa.

    Trannies, not so much.

    • Agree: wren
    • Replies: @wren
    @Svigor

    Antifa: Fighting fascism with...fascism!

    https://youtu.be/WtqGh_qZgEc

  144. @AnotherDad
    @syonredux

    A date which will live in infamy.

    Think how incredibly awesome America would be today if we'd never brought Africans here.

    Shame upon our ancestors for heeding the siren call of cheap labor. "Cheap labor" is never cheap.

    Replies: @Svigor

    If I had the choice of going back in time and keeping blacks out, or jevvs, I’d choose jevvs in a heartbeat. Segregation solved the black-white issue just fine, and would again – a solution jevvs would oppose with all of their considerable solidarity, wealth, and zeal.

  145. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jesse

    Johns Hopkins in Baltimore did a lot of tranny surgery starting in the 70s. Followups showed that these "guys" were no happier than before, and some much more unhappy, so they stopped.

    Replies: @anon, @Ancient Briton

    some much more unhappy,

    Yeah, unhappy enough to top themselves. Suicide among trans post surgery has been a reality since the 1970’s. Apparently something not worth studying anymore, for some reason.

  146. @Buffalo Joe
    @JR Ewing

    JR, one of our favorite trips was to fly to San Francisco, stay a few days, drive up to Seattle stay a few days and fly home. Two of America's best tourist destinations turned to trash. Dogs in SF have to watch they don't step in human shit. This is sad.

    Replies: @Marty, @JR Ewing, @Reg Cæsar

    Here’s an update on S.F. Yesterday, or perhaps the day before, the Feds in the Presidio started clearing large areas of trees/bushes in which bums have been camping/accumulating trash over the last 4-5 years. At least one other demographic is impacted: Chinese ladies from the old country who pick the more tender leaves for brewing tea.

  147. @Buffalo Joe
    @JR Ewing

    JR, one of our favorite trips was to fly to San Francisco, stay a few days, drive up to Seattle stay a few days and fly home. Two of America's best tourist destinations turned to trash. Dogs in SF have to watch they don't step in human shit. This is sad.

    Replies: @Marty, @JR Ewing, @Reg Cæsar

    Agreed about San Francisco, too. This will be the first year in at least 5 or 6 that I haven’t gone to San Francisco at least once during the year for business.

    The hotels and restaurants are great – the last time I was there a year ago my business partner and I were invited to breakfast at the Pacific Union Club. It was beautiful.

    But agreed. Walking down the street is terrible. Dirty, trashy, feels dangerous. Like every other person passing me wants to take my wallet and give me typhus.

  148. @anonymous
    Steve is surely right that Oregon's embrace of WWT earlier this decade has played a role in its Antifa uprising.

    But I think an even bigger factor has been the mass embrace of vegetarianism/veganism over a decade ago. This was greatly helped along by policies of the Obama administration. You now have a whole generation of young people who suffered from going through puberty with plant based diet induced malnutrition that really messed with their sex hormones and serotonin systems.

    Of course it bears repeating that Antifa is referred to, even by lefties, as Vegan ISIS.

    Also the characteristic extreme narcissistic personality disorders common among transsexuals are also a seen in vegans as well.

    There are numerous Youtube channels devoted to chronicling the distinct narcissistic personality disorders common among vegans.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/sv3rige/videos

    Ok this above one time ex-vegan Latvian is now the web's leading supporter of raw meat carnivore-ism, but lots of doctors are also now talking about the link between veganism/vegetarianism and mental health issues.

    Veganism causes Mental Illness | Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJZ7O7q83CY

    Last , wouldn't you just know Oregan is one of the most vegan/vegetarian states.
    https://towardsdatascience.com/which-states-are-the-most-vegan-and-which-states-arent-but-really-want-to-be-5ff619a87f4b

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Captain Tripps, @stillCARealist, @Ben tillman

    Back in the 80’s and 90’s there was a Scottish pro cyclist named Robert Millar who enjoyed some success in the Grand Tours. Millar was also the first elite pro cyclist who was a vegetarian, at least as far as I know. After Millar retired in the mid 90’s I didn’t hear anything about him for many years. He resurfaced several years ago in his new profession as a sports journalist specializing in cycling, naturally. If you’re interested in checking out his work you’ll need to Google his new name… Phillipa York.

  149. @anonymous
    @advancedatheist

    California is the 2nd most non-white state in the union. The state is 35% non-Hispanic white compared to 59% for the US as a whole. However, whites despite being a minority in California did not go tribal. Rather 60% of whites voted for Hillary in 2016. There is no hint of white nationalism in California. And, white nationalism is definitely not surging to any significant presence in the US. The rest of the country is 40 years away from California.

    Replies: @Svigor, @anon

    Post-Charlottesville, some prof did a study and found that something like 10% of Whites are proto-WN – basically, our guys before even being exposed to our stuff. He revised that figure down a couple times because the figures were upsetting jevvs, but there it is.

    California has seen massive White flight, so in a lot of ways it’s going to be an example of apples when the issue is oranges.

    Whites are currently a bit of organization away from upsetting the applecart, if you’ll allow me to torture the metaphor, and yes, anyone paying attention knows that pro-White thinking has grown substantially in this century (I’ve been in this thing since 2003, and the difference is palpable), and is continuing to grow (that’s why the jevvs have cracked down – they calculate that cracking down is the better of two bad choices (cracking down or ignoring the growth)).

  150. @mousey
    @Wilkey

    What do you think will happen when we go to mail in voting. Anonymity will no longer be possible. Your name will be captured along with every vote you make. You'll be outed to your company, social network, neighbors and even your place of worship if your vote doesn't fall in line with the established narrative. It will truly be a silenced majority.

    Replies: @Clyde

    What do you think will happen when we go to mail in voting. Anonymity will no longer be possible. Your name will be captured along with every vote you make. You’ll be outed to your company, social network, neighbors and even your place of worship if your vote doesn’t fall in line with the established narrative. It will truly be a silenced majority.

    You are probably correct. I will be voting in person at the polling place.

  151. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Prefatory to a (hopefully, maybe) more systematic analysis in a later comment, here are just some scattered observations, just information that needs to be ingested before one ventures further....

    1. There are no actual fascists in America, or pretty much anywhere else in the world really, and there are also no actual Nazis. Marginalized, powerless, mentally ill people who dress up in stupid costumes are not an actual political force in America. People with dopey swastika tattoos who dress up in wacky uniforms do not go to Harvard, they don't get to write for the New York Times, they don't get AIPAC-funded seats in Congress, and none of them has ever had enough clout to start a trillion-dollar self-interested war in Iraq. Politically speaking, so-called "fascists" and "Nazis" do not actually exist.

    2. The fact that every once in a while, an innocent person gets attacked or injured by a couple of costume-wearing weirdos is unfortunate, but it's not a "threat," and it's certainly not "domestic terrorism" (a meaningless propaganda phrase). It is simply a statistical aberration. If you look at Paul Kersey's blog on this very site, you will find pretty much daily instances of White people being raped, murdered, and terrorized by blacks, all with a rather obvious race-based motivation. There is no such massive documentation of any kind of behavior like this done by the imaginary Nazis or the FBI/ADL-imaginary Ku Klux Klan. White people who wander in to black neighborhoods get actually raped and murdered. Black people who wander into White neighborhoods get microaggressions.

    3. The people who style themselves Antifa or anti-fascist are really against leprechauns, unicorns and flying monkeys. There are no fascists or Nazis to oppose: they are doing this because they either want to be in a gang, but don't have the cojones or the cred to join the Crips or the LKs; they're nerds who are looking to get laid by making up this macho tuff-guy routine; they want to feel self-righteous by burning witches and slaying zombies; they are historically illiterate and have no background in moral reasoning; they think they're still marching for Cibil rights in 1963, or fighting an imaginary Holocaust; or all of the above.

    4. Oregon, as a state, is about the size of the UK, but it only has one major city, Portland, which isn't really that big. The entire PNW if you include Idaho and so on is bigger than England France combined, but only has two real cities, Seattle and Portland. That means that these places are collection centers for every sort of disaffected weirdo who couldn't get to Paris or London.

    5. Cities like NYC, LA, (or even Chicago and San Francisco) are full of hipsters who are looking to get into The Business, or make it in the Big Time. There is no Big Time in Portland, yet it's full of hipsters, looking to make a reputation. This creates an energy problem.

    More later.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anon, @sayless

    they are historically illiterate and have no background in moral reasoning; they think they’re still marching for Cibil rights in 1963,

    In the 60’s the Left had 3 “moral”‘ positions: anti-war, anti-Wall Street, and for civil rights.
    They sold out on the war and Wall Street issues, so civil rights is the only claim they have left on a moral position.
    These boomer liberals running the Democratic party are morally corrupt and live only for status. Race politics gives them an illusion of being noble and unselfish. They are cowards re-living a decades-old march on the Selma bridge so some of the moral glory will rub off on themselves. They are corrupt and pathetic.
    Good moral reasoning isn’t about right vs. wrong. It’s about competing goods, competing evils, and the complex trade-offs ethical people have to make. Good ethics isn’t just about how the strong treat the weak. Good ethics includes respect for the strong and the virtues that go with it. Good ethics includes honest appraisal of faults of the weak.

  152. @Anon
    “due to their general viciousness of character”

    Come on. This is unsupported by any broad evidence. You’re wording good past fairly ‘noticing’ a disproportionate share of trans people in these leftist movements, to a general attack on trans women, which shows the very viciousness you decry.

    In terms of my own ‘noticing,’ the average trans woman is from what I have seen an introverted, insecure, well-educated professional, not the marginal, histrionic, extrovert type that seems to fill out the ranks of AntiFa.

    This is precisely what keeps me from donating to you despite your yeoman’s work on HBD.

    Replies: @botazefa, @AnotherDad

    In terms of my own ‘noticing,’ the average trans woman is from what I have seen an introverted, insecure, well-educated professionals

    Insecure and introverted people don’t hang placards around their necks with a list of demands for strangers to fulfill. They don’t attract attention. They are wallflowers.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @botazefa

    Oh come on, as Joe Biden would say. It doesn't make you less of a man to admit not everyone in some category is exactly the same. The trannies I knew in NYC in the late 90s undoubted voted Hillary for Senate, and probably President (I was long gone), but I doubt they would be joining antifa today. The change is real, and needs to be explained (tho it's not the most important issue in the world, of course). The Left doesn't just take up the disaffected, it CHANGES them into violent activists. Maybe that's why the Left seems to always win, hmmmm?

    Replies: @botazefa

  153. @Jim Don Bob
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Portland has for years had a reputation in computer circles for being full of pot heads. Too much of today's pot can make you crazy especially if you tend that way.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Too much of today’s pot can make you crazy especially if you tend that way.”

    Yes, the genetically modified stuff (they called it ‘skunk’ in the UK back in the 80s) is much more potent than it used to be.

    One of my kids friends, liberal parents let him smoke at home aged 14-15, it’s done his mental health no good at all and he’s 22 now. Status trajectory age 14-22 is from “cool kid” whose parties you wanted an invite to, to “poor guy” who doesn’t have parties.

    I don’t think his folks realised this wasn’t the stuff they were smoking at uni.

  154. @Roderick Spode
    The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called "Antifa." Boomer conservatives decrying the Antifa Menace sound as out-of-touch as liberals who think there's such a thing as "The KKK."

    Just say anarchists.

    Replies: @anon, @Robert Dolan, @AnotherDad

    The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called “Antifa.” Boomer conservatives decrying the Antifa Menace sound as out-of-touch as liberals who think there’s such a thing as “The KKK.”

    AFAICT, yeah there’s no centralized “organization”. But it’s a real movement of street thuggery in service of minoritarianism, and the super-state. It provides the ability to attack conservatives, traditionalists, deplorables and create disorder for minoritarians, that state functionaries can choose to ignore, tolerate or even encourage.

    In contrast, liberals talking about the KKK today are just engaging in fantasy. But in 50s there was a real third Klan that allowed violent resistance to the “Civil Rights” movement to go on “off the books”.

  155. So, what you’re saying is that Portland is like the Stonewall Riots on an endless loop?

  156. @Almost Missouri
    @Buffalo Joe

    To be fair, a lot of the testimonial commentary here we take on faith. That's why we have consistent handles. For example, I have no proof that you are an ironworker from Buffalo, but from reading your commentary over the years, I am convinced of it. Even more, I'm convinced you write honest comments, accurately observed, in good faith.

    I don't have an off-the-top-of-my-head impression of Thomas, but he's apparently made 1400 comments here, so anyone can discern his reliability for themselves.

    I too always appreciate having more proof rather than less, but I understand that risks of doxxing and the difficulties of obtaining the evidence his statement would require, so it is still better to have Thomas's word, backed by his reputation, rather than having nothing at all.

    Certainly, what he says is plausible and corresponds to things I have seen elsewhere:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/do-antifa-tend-to-be-quite-ugly/#comment-3936626

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Missouri, I respect your opinion and I think your reply is well thought out, but Thomas states this as a fact. Pretty serious accusation worthy of an investigation. But we are good and who would claim to be an Ironworker? I was always a Gynecologist in my bar hopping days.

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Buffalo Joe

    I think you might be able to earn more as an iron worker than as a gyno these days Joe.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  157. @JR Ewing
    Three years ago my kids and I started our annual summer road trip in Portland because I had never been to the PNW before. We drove around Oregon and Washington and Idaho for several days before flying home from another airport.

    Loved all of it EXCEPT being on the street in Portland and Seattle. Both places literally felt like they were occupied by crazies. Weird "Antifa looking" type people standing on street corners. Homeless people and camps everywhere. Drug paraphernalia all over the sidewalks. Political graffiti. Hippie professional types who just ignored the weirdness around them. It all just felt off.

    The suburbs of both were fine. The countryside was fine. The highways were fine. Tourist attractions were fine. The weather was gorgeous (on the coast, at least). Beautiful scenery. Normal looking farms and fields. Lots of really nice "normal rednecks" outside of the cities.

    But on the street in the cities themselves, it was VERY unsettling. It did not feel like America to me.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @S. Anonyia

    I’ve been through the countryside of Oregon and found the people unsettling and unfriendly. This was almost 10 years ago. Also marked the first time I saw a transgender person, in line at a small town grocery store. He/she was balding.

  158. @Anon
    “due to their general viciousness of character”

    Come on. This is unsupported by any broad evidence. You’re wording good past fairly ‘noticing’ a disproportionate share of trans people in these leftist movements, to a general attack on trans women, which shows the very viciousness you decry.

    In terms of my own ‘noticing,’ the average trans woman is from what I have seen an introverted, insecure, well-educated professional, not the marginal, histrionic, extrovert type that seems to fill out the ranks of AntiFa.

    This is precisely what keeps me from donating to you despite your yeoman’s work on HBD.

    Replies: @botazefa, @AnotherDad

    In terms of my own ‘noticing,’ the average trans woman is from what I have seen an introverted, insecure, well-educated professional, not the marginal, histrionic, extrovert type that seems to fill out the ranks of AntiFa.

    This is precisely what keeps me from donating to you despite your yeoman’s work on HBD.

    Sorry, you’re still not a woman.

    • Agree: Svigor
  159. I worked for a Superintendent from Cleveland who had erected a power plant outside of Seattle. He said the weather was depressing, always wet, either rain, mist or fog. He said the guys worked on these miserable days, the iron wet, but skipped work on the beautiful days. Need time off to enjoy the outdoors.

  160. anon[354] • Disclaimer says:

    But to the Newspaper of Record that’s not the point, the point is that the Real Menace is people who are worried about Antifa.

    It’s weird to me how few people comment on the fact that, as soon as blacks and leftists started rioting and looting and committing crimes, all of a sudden, every tech company decided that they needed to crack down on the right, and on white nationalists. On the face of it, it’s completely bizarre, but almost nobody actually talks about it.

    I realize that it’s probably just because it doesn’t come as a surprise to anyone, but still.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @anon

    They might've redoubled their efforts coinciding with the riots, or something, but the crackdown on the White Right started right around inauguration day (that was when they stopped laughing at Trump and decided to get revenge on the people who put him over the top; the same people who will be staying home and letting him lose in 2020, by the way; the WN electorate in America is much bigger than Trump's 2016 margin of victory).


    Also, though the FBI is hardly anti-antifa (nor the DOJ)
     
    In other news, the KGB was hardly anti-communist.
  161. @Dieter Kief
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I see your point.
    But can't we agree even though in saying that history does make sense - and that being human should reduce the strings which hold us together as a society to mere feelings. - There are norms and customs and traditions etc. - and they do play a - reasonable - part in leading a good life and should thus be respected, even if we - for some moments - might think that we, as the indescribably precious and individual snowflakes, would represent individually and by the pure will of ourselves all that matters simply via our bodies = our naturally fragile and ultimately rich super-important selves.

    - I run more and more into people who don't understand that such a self-description has a deceptively sparkling center, that is, unfortunately, inconsistent (= fragile (= prone to self-pity, prone to real mishaps, to hard disillusionments, frustrations over frustrations and more often than not misery and suffering of all kinds - - - - as a reward - : -

    "The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68
    And he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday
    Cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark cafe
    You laugh, he said you think you're immune, go look at your eyes
    They're full of moon"

    - Joni Mitchell in Richard, on Blue).

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Anonymous

    People locked into themselves (often sadists) are as alienated as those who are locked out of themselves (often masochists).

    But then sadists are just masochists from another view and vice versa.

    To be aware that you are others and others are you is the balance, though obviously hard to consistently achieve.

  162. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    ‘… Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred.”’

    …it’s so unlike those gentle, nurturing Jewish women we’ve all become so familiar with over the past century. Start with Emma Goldman and keep going.

    Hard to wrap our head around it indeed. The sheer hypocrisy is stunning.

  163. What we’re seeing in the streets is an artifact of the incredible technological and productive success of white men and a general problem: What to do with useless, destructive and non-compliant people?

    Noted before: The nation state–a people united by common language, religion, culture, history and descent, with a specific territory with defined borders–is the best political arrangement in human history. Best of all, under the republican governance of productive men.

    But with that fixed territory we lose what was easy to do as a tribe–kick the assholes out!

    In the before time, even settled peoples could do that. They might tolerate the village idiot, but the village crazy, the village asshole would be shown the door, or “dealt with”.

    But now with our incredible prosperity and our legal infrastructure, all sorts of garbage who have no productive role/capability, still can survive–even thrive in a comfy sinecure. George Floyd, these Antifa trannies and assorted other goons, other nuts.

    What’s needed is for every nation state to have a dump. And when the productive men–properly running the nation state–determine that someone doesn’t want to get with the program–criminal, loony, some other sort of parasite–they are “out” and dumped there.

    In other words, people are not entitled to be parasites on the productive men and women of a nation. If someone doesn’t like the program, wants to defy it–great. But they’re out. Parasite defense.

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @AnotherDad

    Wish them into the corn field!


    http://www.spockosbrain.com/uploaded_images/TwilightZoneTRADEpoint-787736.jpg

  164. I can’t find anything clearly identifying Leah Sottile as Jewish. Maybe she’s not. Possible…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Colin Wright

    Apparently "Sottile" is Sicilian. But you don't have to be a slice of Levy's Rye to be a cog in the globohomo project, and if she was merely Jewish (and not also a passive aggressive genocide advocate) no reasonable person would have a problem with her.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

  165. @Jane Plain
    @Henry Canaday

    Get with the program.

    It used to be called "sex reassignment surgery." It is now called "gender confirmation surgery."

    Why is the word surgery used at all?

    Replies: @3g4me

    @53 Jane Plain: “It used to be called “sex reassignment surgery.” It is now called “gender confirmation surgery.”

    Pioneered by your ancestors, Jane, back in Germany. Until one day, for no reason at all . . .

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @3g4me

    I have no ancestors from Germany.

    Replies: @Herzog

  166. @Buffalo Joe
    @Thomas

    Thom, that sort of claim need substantiation. A source would help. Can't just say you know for a fact.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @wren, @Thomas

    I’ve seen videos of protesters getting paid but, the debit card seems to be satire.

    https://www.truthorfiction.com/antifa-debit-card/

    I’m not saying Thomas is not referring to something else, nor am I endorsing that website.

  167. @Svigor
    @justaguynamedme

    Nice. :)

    Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if 1/4 to 1/2 or more of "antifa" wind up on the "fascist" side over time. A lot of these guys are natural "fascists" but don't know it yet, and "fascism" isn't yet strong enough to attract them ("fascism" is suppressed and kept off the streets by the pigs...for now).

    I think we can at least agree that "fascism" will capture far more "antifa" loyalty in the foreseeable future than vice-versa.

    Trannies, not so much.

    Replies: @wren

    Antifa: Fighting fascism with…fascism!

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  168. @anonymous
    @advancedatheist

    California is the 2nd most non-white state in the union. The state is 35% non-Hispanic white compared to 59% for the US as a whole. However, whites despite being a minority in California did not go tribal. Rather 60% of whites voted for Hillary in 2016. There is no hint of white nationalism in California. And, white nationalism is definitely not surging to any significant presence in the US. The rest of the country is 40 years away from California.

    Replies: @Svigor, @anon

    There is no hint of white nationalism in California. And, white nationalism is definitely not surging to any significant presence in the US. The rest of the country is 40 years away from California.

    The question is, is the rest of the country 40 years BEHIND California or 40 years AHEAD?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @anon

    How could the other states be 40 years ahead?

  169. @Mario Partisan
    With all due respect Mr. Sailer, your first paragraph needs to be corrected. It should read:

    Over the last half decade a vast amount of in-depth prestige press coverage has been devoted to the so-called “alt-right” while almost none has been devoted to “Antifa,” due to the latter being vastly larger and more favored by government officials, as we’ve seen this year in unfortunate cities such as Minneapolis, Madison, Seattle, and Portland.
     
    Mussolini famously said, “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism, because it is the merger for corporate power and the state.”

    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.


    Actually, the Antifa phenomenon is pretty interesting. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism? Why are such a large percentage of the rioters — criminals who are so violent that they get arrested even in pro-violence Portland — transgender?

     

    Q. What is the relationship? A. They are both pretending to be the opposite of what they are. Whether they are doing so ironically or unironically is a secondary issue. It might very well be the latter as many of these people are mentally ill.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Muggles, @ATBOTL

    >>Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, <<

    While the Italian fascists didn't invent street thuggery (been around since streets, I believe) Mussolini was an ex soldier who had a military fetish.

    One little discussed tactic of the Italian fascist movement was called (in Italian, presumably) "squadism." Mussolini believed that a soldier's squad mates were his life and soul in battle and hence that was the proper tactical unit for his politics. (A theory largely embraced now as formal Army doctrine, your platoon -squad – is why you fight or die.) So Italian fascist thugs were formally organized into local squads to administer beatings and sometimes worse.

    So small groups of antifa squads are the logical extension of antifa's fascist roots and history.

    Whenever I hear about AOC's supposed "squad" of fellow commies I get a laugh about that.

    • Thanks: Mario Partisan
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Whenever I hear about AOC's supposed "squad" of fellow commies I get a laugh about that.
     
    Squad is just one letter off squaw. That word has been canceled due to an erroneous folk etymology. The 1960 Winter Olympics will have been hosted at Indiginous Woman Valley.

    Replies: @bruce county

  170. @danand
    @Rob McX


    "OT: I wonder what’s behind this…Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge."
     
    Rob McX, as Postal Service enforcement officers were employed to arrest Bannon, you'd have to assume that this whole USPS dust-up with Trump was "engineered". Bannon's arrest had to be at least weeks in the making/preparation.

    Pretty obvious in hindsight the press was "instructed" to create a narrative that Trump was literally at war with the USPS so that when the arrest came the resulting explosion and ensuing inferno would create maximum carnage.

    Could be it was originally intended as an "October Surprise"; but had to be set off today to help distract from Biden's national coming out party tonight - introducing the world to the shockingly new, unrecognizable Joe - the shell of a man who will tilt this country forward.

    Replies: @Muggles, @James O'Meara

    >>USPS dust-up with Trump was “engineered”. Bannon’s arrest had to be at least weeks in the making/preparation.<<

    I think your interesting theory is a "bridge too far."

    Few outside the Dem TDS orbit buy into any "post office" conspiracy. It is so silly that Pelosi is making herself look foolish. To think that this kind of non thinking gets into secondary effects planning over some barely remembered Trump operative from 2016 is far fetched.

    I have been involved in many very small political groups, fronts, etc. and believe me, they are all ripe for sticky fingers. Professionally I dealt with this in business and in politics it is rampant.

    BLM is awash in easy money so that will be a downfall for some who end up with Cadillacs they can't afford. Other groups, both left and right, have long been plagued by insider corruption. I'm not aware of the details of Bannon's alleged thefts but "Building the Wall" or whatever is very fishy. Did any of the "wall" get funded by this outfit? None? Shocking! So he was easy pickings.

    Of course he's innocent until railroaded guilty.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Muggles


    BLM is awash in easy money so that will be a downfall for some who end up with Cadillacs they can't afford.
     
    Only if prosecutors take a sudden interest, which they emphatically have not, despite BLM/antifa absorbing/laundering orders of magnitude more money than whatever Bannon's obscure org had. Heck, prosecutors can barely rouse themselves to interest in straight up murder by antifa/BLM.

    BLM can have all the "sticky fingers" they want in perpetuity. What penalties has Al Sharpton and his org borne for a lifetime of tax evasion and corruption? But if you, Mr. Conservative Patriot, so much as misfile a registration form, the prosecutors will be all over you with a list of abstruse but life-wrecking process crimes.
  171. “America’s Extremely Online Extremists”

    Translation: WNs are oppressed and highly motivated.

  172. @animalogic
    @Dieter Kief

    Good points. Progressives tend to align against the "objective" itself b/c objectivity itself is a "restraint". Freedom for these people is subjective & all about casting off restraint, & indulging in a self conscious orgy of feeling & fantasy (ie of unlimited possibility, unrestrained by physical determinations)
    "Being woke means a) to feel and b) to be here now – being woke thus neglects history and tridtion as too complicated (= suppressive, racist…) concepts.
    People tied to their feelings and chopped off of tradition lose the posssibility to control themselves."
    What a godsend Floyd's death has been -- riot, larceny, violence sanctified by the religion of "black suffering - white guilt.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Freedom for these people is subjective & all about casting off restraint

    Jonathan Franzen’s subject in – – – – his novel Freedom.

    And Hegel’s subject at times too. In Hegel’s words: Freedom is insight into necessity. – He binds freedom and reality together (= Steve Sailer is a Hegelian).

  173. @anon
    @Roderick Spode

    The article is correct that there is no centralised organisation called “Antifa.”

    Because anarchists generally don't form centralized organizations. Weasel much?

    Antifa do form orgs. Here's one example:

    https://www.rosecityantifa.org/

    Replies: @Muggles

    >>Antifa do form orgs. Here’s one example:<<

    They do appear to operate small informal groups. Anyone can get a URL.

    Despite someone's claim here, I doubt they maintain bank accounts in that name or under any traceable form. No one has provided evidence for that. Banks are pretty sticky about who is who.

    Most crime groups at this level use cash.

    Also, though the FBI is hardly anti-antifa (nor the DOJ) as discussed elsewhere and earlier on iSteve, the federal and state RICO laws would hammer any formal antifa group that had public leadership or traceable assets. Assuming the feds really want to stop the violence.

    There are lots of informal groups or associations which have names but little actual structure or leaders.

  174. @anon

    But to the Newspaper of Record that’s not the point, the point is that the Real Menace is people who are worried about Antifa.
     
    It's weird to me how few people comment on the fact that, as soon as blacks and leftists started rioting and looting and committing crimes, all of a sudden, every tech company decided that they needed to crack down on the right, and on white nationalists. On the face of it, it's completely bizarre, but almost nobody actually talks about it.

    I realize that it's probably just because it doesn't come as a surprise to anyone, but still.

    Replies: @Svigor

    They might’ve redoubled their efforts coinciding with the riots, or something, but the crackdown on the White Right started right around inauguration day (that was when they stopped laughing at Trump and decided to get revenge on the people who put him over the top; the same people who will be staying home and letting him lose in 2020, by the way; the WN electorate in America is much bigger than Trump’s 2016 margin of victory).

    Also, though the FBI is hardly anti-antifa (nor the DOJ)

    In other news, the KGB was hardly anti-communist.

  175. Steve, do you have any opinion on the Karen horseshoe? The Atlantic writes about it:

    Not very much unites the rapper Ice T and the “alt-right” activist Paul Joseph Watson of InfoWars, but both can agree on this: Karens are a menace. In July, Ice T identified a “Karen of the Day,” tweeting a video of a woman who refused to wear a mask in a dentist’s office. It was another instance of the meme’s suspicious flexibility: Is a Karen a woman flouting the rules or pettily enforcing them? {snip}

    {snip} The chorus of disdain that greets any white woman who questions the Karen meme comes from a broad, and unexpected, coalition: anti-racists and bog-standard misogynists. (Finally, a political stance to bring this troubled world together.)

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/08/karen-meme-coronavirus/615355/

    The unifying factor here is sociopathy and low-IQ. They are Clevons, who do not want niceness, civilization, rules, norms, order, they want chaos, disorder, freedumb, and of course the wealth that only an orderly society can create.

  176. @J.Ross
    Chicago defunding police, but not on purpose: the lockdown has gutted the tax base (even before de facto legalized rioting chased taxpayers away). Layoffs and furloughs are coming out of necessity and not activism.
    http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2020/08/layoffs.html
    Somewhat similarly, NPR has been crying about the need for special extra bonus fundraising drives, because of the lack of money from locked down businesses.

    Replies: @anon

    Somewhat similarly, NPR has been crying about the need for special extra bonus fundraising drives, because of the lack of money from locked down businesses.

    Every cloud has a sliver lining!

  177. @Daniel H
    @JimB

    That is truly depraved. They will do that to us if things spin out of control.

    Replies: @JimB

    That is truly depraved. They will do that to us if things spin out of control.

    VDare was on this type of story during the 2000-oughts. They argued that the rising Latino population would result in a surge in animal cruelty in the United States. But blacks were already disproportionately responsible for animal cruelty. Similar to the hypothesis that all intelligence tests are correlated by some polygenic variable g, it would seem that all acts of violence and depravity are also governed by some variable e (for evil) which, on average, tends to be high in Latinos but much higher in blacks.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @JimB

    Whites have some sort of gene predisposing them to be kind to animals?

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/aspca-is-founded


    On April 10, 1866, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) is founded in New York City by philanthropist and diplomat Henry Bergh, 54.

    In 1863, Bergh had been appointed by President Abraham Lincoln to a diplomatic post at the Russian court of Czar Alexander II. It was there that he was horrified to witness work horses beaten by their peasant drivers. En route back to America, a June 1865 visit to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in London awakened his determination to secure a charter not only to incorporate the ASPCA but to exercise the power to arrest and prosecute violators of the law.

    Back in New York, Bergh pleaded on behalf of “these mute servants of mankind” at a February 8, 1866, meeting at Clinton Hall.
     
    If whites are so nice to animals, why (a) were they beaten by Russian peasants - Asiatic ancestry? and (b) why did there need to be a society founded to prevent cruelty against them?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Peter D. Bredon, @John Johnson

  178. @Colin Wright
    I can't find anything clearly identifying Leah Sottile as Jewish. Maybe she's not. Possible...

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Apparently “Sottile” is Sicilian. But you don’t have to be a slice of Levy’s Rye to be a cog in the globohomo project, and if she was merely Jewish (and not also a passive aggressive genocide advocate) no reasonable person would have a problem with her.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @J.Ross

    Where’s Reg?

    Leah Sottile =

    Eat e-shit! LOL!

  179. @3g4me
    @Jane Plain

    @53 Jane Plain: "It used to be called “sex reassignment surgery.” It is now called “gender confirmation surgery.”

    Pioneered by your ancestors, Jane, back in Germany. Until one day, for no reason at all . . .

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    I have no ancestors from Germany.

    • Replies: @Herzog
    @Jane Plain

    Evybody knows that Germans are genetically defective.

  180. @fnn
    @Harry Baldwin

    The Heaphy Report says there were "hundreds" of pro-statue protesters. Do you think were all "neo-nazis"?
    https://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Do you think were all “neo-nazis”?

    Of course not. If you think that’s what I was saying, I must not have been clear.

  181. @Bragadocious
    Former Trump speechwriter Darren Beattie said something interesting. Antifa may in fact be a State Dept.-managed color revolution. It has a lot of the hallmarks of State Dept. regime change operations in Eastern Europe, in countries targeted by globalists. And I've heard the State Dept. is the LGBTQ headquarters in Washington, which would explain the queer/pedo profile of the anarchists.

    https://glifaa.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/capitalpride_17_11.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Not exactly a mystery, but meaningless without skullbreaking, and meanwhile these selfless patriots have decided to burn up their own cities for a political stunt they will almost certainly fail to achieve.

  182. @JimB
    @Daniel H


    That is truly depraved. They will do that to us if things spin out of control.
     
    VDare was on this type of story during the 2000-oughts. They argued that the rising Latino population would result in a surge in animal cruelty in the United States. But blacks were already disproportionately responsible for animal cruelty. Similar to the hypothesis that all intelligence tests are correlated by some polygenic variable g, it would seem that all acts of violence and depravity are also governed by some variable e (for evil) which, on average, tends to be high in Latinos but much higher in blacks.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Whites have some sort of gene predisposing them to be kind to animals?

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/aspca-is-founded

    On April 10, 1866, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) is founded in New York City by philanthropist and diplomat Henry Bergh, 54.

    In 1863, Bergh had been appointed by President Abraham Lincoln to a diplomatic post at the Russian court of Czar Alexander II. It was there that he was horrified to witness work horses beaten by their peasant drivers. En route back to America, a June 1865 visit to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in London awakened his determination to secure a charter not only to incorporate the ASPCA but to exercise the power to arrest and prosecute violators of the law.

    Back in New York, Bergh pleaded on behalf of “these mute servants of mankind” at a February 8, 1866, meeting at Clinton Hall.

    If whites are so nice to animals, why (a) were they beaten by Russian peasants – Asiatic ancestry? and (b) why did there need to be a society founded to prevent cruelty against them?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jane Plain

    In general, the English-speaking peoples got a lot nicer over the course of the 19th Century. The Victorian Era really was an age of moral progress.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Gordo, @Jane Plain

    , @J.Ross
    @Jane Plain

    The salient thing is the fact that the society existed at all, and was accepted by top people as a serious thing. Organizations overshadow their ostensible bugbear all the time, it's the norm in advocacy organizing. Was there a Chinese or Somali or Aztec RSPCA? The idea is comical.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Jane Plain

    For the same reason only White countries worked to END slavery. Not that any bleks thank us for it, the ingrates.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Svigor

    , @John Johnson
    @Jane Plain

    If whites are so nice to animals, why (a) were they beaten by Russian peasants – Asiatic ancestry? and (b) why did there need to be a society founded to prevent cruelty against them?

    If Africa had been left alone do you think it today would be:

    (a) Harmonious Wakanda where animals are treated ethically

    (b) Africa

  183. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred

    For most of them it’s not supremacist and not hatred.

  184. @Muggles
    @Mario Partisan

    >>Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, <<

    While the Italian fascists didn't invent street thuggery (been around since streets, I believe) Mussolini was an ex soldier who had a military fetish.

    One little discussed tactic of the Italian fascist movement was called (in Italian, presumably) "squadism." Mussolini believed that a soldier's squad mates were his life and soul in battle and hence that was the proper tactical unit for his politics. (A theory largely embraced now as formal Army doctrine, your platoon -squad - is why you fight or die.) So Italian fascist thugs were formally organized into local squads to administer beatings and sometimes worse.

    So small groups of antifa squads are the logical extension of antifa's fascist roots and history.

    Whenever I hear about AOC's supposed "squad" of fellow commies I get a laugh about that.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Whenever I hear about AOC’s supposed “squad” of fellow commies I get a laugh about that.

    Squad is just one letter off squaw. That word has been canceled due to an erroneous folk etymology. The 1960 Winter Olympics will have been hosted at Indiginous Woman Valley.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is still Squamish B.C. Its only 4,269 km (2,646) miles from Kitchener.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  185. @Buffalo Joe
    @Thomas

    Thom, that sort of claim need substantiation. A source would help. Can't just say you know for a fact.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @wren, @Thomas

    I’ve heard it recounted by family members of teenagers who got involved with Antifa. I’m located in Seattle and personally involved in some of the activities going on in this part of the country currently.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Thomas

    There's that alleged $20 million payoff to antifas over CHOP, so I wouldn't count out the ATM cards. There's a lot of fishy stuff going on in Seattle.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Thomas

    Thomas, thank you for the reply and in a court of law, that is hearsay, not fact. but we are good. Stay safe and alert in that crazy PNW.

    Replies: @Thomas

  186. @Jane Plain
    @JimB

    Whites have some sort of gene predisposing them to be kind to animals?

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/aspca-is-founded


    On April 10, 1866, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) is founded in New York City by philanthropist and diplomat Henry Bergh, 54.

    In 1863, Bergh had been appointed by President Abraham Lincoln to a diplomatic post at the Russian court of Czar Alexander II. It was there that he was horrified to witness work horses beaten by their peasant drivers. En route back to America, a June 1865 visit to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in London awakened his determination to secure a charter not only to incorporate the ASPCA but to exercise the power to arrest and prosecute violators of the law.

    Back in New York, Bergh pleaded on behalf of “these mute servants of mankind” at a February 8, 1866, meeting at Clinton Hall.
     
    If whites are so nice to animals, why (a) were they beaten by Russian peasants - Asiatic ancestry? and (b) why did there need to be a society founded to prevent cruelty against them?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Peter D. Bredon, @John Johnson

    In general, the English-speaking peoples got a lot nicer over the course of the 19th Century. The Victorian Era really was an age of moral progress.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Steve Sailer

    Say’s who?

    https://www.amazon.com/Royal-Flash-Flashman-Book-2-ebook/dp/B00AR2S062/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Royal+flashman&qid=1597973566&sr=8-5

    An excerpt from the great Victorian hero Harry Flashman.


    But the real life was to be had outside; respectable society apart, I was in with the fast set, idling, gaming, drinking, and raking about the town. It was the end of the great days of the bucks and blades; we had a queen on the throne, and her cold white hand and her poker-backed husband’s were already setting their grip on the nation’s life, smothering the old wild ways in their come-to-Jesus hypocrisy. We were entering into what is now called the Victorian Age, when respectability was the thing; breeches were out and trousers came in; bosoms were being covered and eyes modestly lowered; politics was becoming sober, trade and industry were becoming fashionable, the odour of sanctity was replacing the happy reek of brandy, the age of the Corinthian, the plunger, and the dandy was giving way to that of the prig, the preacher, and the bore.
     

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon

    , @Gordo
    @Steve Sailer


    In general, the English-speaking peoples got a lot nicer over the course of the 19th Century. The Victorian Era really was an age of moral progress.
     
    Totally yes, and if we'd have managed to keep the borders up we would be living in a paradise by now.
    , @Jane Plain
    @Steve Sailer

    Absolutely. Also: two eras with two different names, the Victorian Era, and the Gilded Age, were co-terminous. Food for thought.

    But the point remains, what's so genetic about all this?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  187. @Svigor
    @Mario Partisan


    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.
     
    This is just so dumb and boomer. It arises from a desperate need to suck up to the jevvish power structure that has spent generations bombarding teevidiots with the notion that fascism=bad communism=nonexistent leftism=good.

    Street violence was a commie/anarchist/leftist thing long before it became a fascist thing. In fact, fascism, and the concomitant fascist street violence, only arose in response to communism/anarchism and commie/anarchist/leftist street violence.

    The color they wear literally doesn't matter, except as a compliment to the trad fascist sense of aesthetics, jealousy of same, and an attempt to "in before" said fascist aesthetic; red and black are just good colors.

    The Bolsheviks got tons of support from corporate America and the American establishment. We can debate whether merging the power of the state and the corporations is "true" leftism, but I think it's safe to say that homo/tranny/jevv/black/degenerate/etc. horseshit is the defining characteristic of leftism today, and the regime/antifa have it all in spades. None of that shit is remotely fascist. On the contrary, real fascism is anti-homo, anti-tranny, anti-jevv, anti-black, and anti-degenerate. Actual fascists want to see the current Wiemerican regime destroyed.

    It's also amusing that you imply that FBI working hand-in-glove with antifa is somehow "fascist." The FBI is tantamount to the NKVD now, but somehow that is "facist?" It's just silly.

    Almost everything in your comment was wrong, EXCEPT insofar as it shows how stupid and wrongheaded mainstream boomercons/GOPers are. All you lot do is fight your natural allies (fascists) on behalf of your sworn enemies. You don't see the left doing this stupid shit.

    Nationalism is the defining characteristic of fascism, and "antifa" and the Wiemerican regime are virulently anti-nationalist.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan, @JimDandy

    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.

    This is just so dumb and boomer. It arises from a desperate need to suck up to the jevvish power structure that has spent generations bombarding teevidiots with the notion that fascism=bad communism=nonexistent leftism=good.

    Ti faccio un consiglio: e meglio che conosci una persona prima di lanciare accusazioni o di fare assunzioni. D’acordo?

    First, I am not a boomer, rather a Gen X/Y cusper. Neither am I a GOPer. Neither do I confuse communism and fascism.

    Just so you know: somewhere in my family’s old photo albums there is a picture of my nonno as a teenager hanging out with the local Black Shirt club. He supported and admired Benito his entire life, but as the family says he wasn’t a Fascist “del cuore” but just of the stomach. His brothers on the other hand were proud and life-long PCI members and partigiani. So perhaps I have a basis for my understanding that you do not. As Trump might say, there were good people on both sides.

    As I have advised another here at UR before, it is not advisable to apply our contemporary understanding of terms to their adherents of past eras and foreign lands. You are right that Americans have a horrible understanding of history and political ideologies. Even those somewhat better informed still project their own antipathies and sympathies onto the movements of same name from yesteryear with little interest in understanding the complexities that were actually involved.

    Do you know that Mussolini had been a leading member of the PSI, but was expelled for supporting Italy’s entry into WWI, which sent 600,000+ Italians to their deaths leaving behind legions of orphans? Do you know that the PSI was the only major Second International party to oppose WWI, while all of the others in France, Germany, Britain, etc. backed the slaughter of their own working classes? Do you know that the hardship of the post-WWI period in Italy led to class antagonisms that the liberal elite of Italy were powerless to stop and that the King of Italy handed total power to Mussolini to protect the interests of the propertied classes, while using Civic Nationalism as a substitute for class identity? Do you know that Mussolini, whatever his own vision was, was constrained by the fact that he was being used by the monarchy, aristocracy and bourgeoisie to throttle the working class?

    Yes, the pseudo-left of today, i.e. Antifa, DNC, Soros and Bezos, etc., love all of the degenerate cultural crap that is being shoved on the people, but they love it because identity politics is a substitute for class politics just as Mussolini’s so-called nationalism was. In their own ways, they are parallels in that they serve to wed the working classes to their respective elites. The difference is that the Italian elite of yesteryear was actually Italian, so nationalism was in its interest, while the elite of America is part of a transnational oligarchy and so sees anti-nationalism as in its interest.

    Similarly, if you asked Antifa, they would say that their actions are in response to the rise of the Alt-Right and populism. You can quibble about violence (I agree the Alt-Right is not the violent one), but that fits with my parallel: the Black Shirts were a thuggish response to a populist rising among Italian workers in the early 1920s. Like I said, the Fascists did have working class supporters, but mainly by borrowing the minimum from the Left’s program as a cooptation mechanism.

    Finally, just to highlight that the world doesn’t always fit into a nice shoe box. Mussolini, the nationalist, turned his country into an occupied land, first by Germans then by Anglo-Americans. Meanwhile, my dad’s commie uncles took rifle shots at German soldiers – but not their brother – to defend their own homeland. Who were the real nationalists? I can’t be sure, but I’m positive that if they had gotten their way, Italy would have been on the other side of the Iron curtain and not dealing with this degenerate cultural crap like they are today, like the rest of Eastern Europe isn’t. Of course, they would have dealt with other crap.

    Finally (take 2), do you think it is wise to amplify the Anti-fascist label of Antifa with normies just to try to improve the image of your fascist label? Maybe you want to use their own meme against them and get as many liberal leaning normies to hate these scum as much as possible.

    I’m on your side…I think.

    • Thanks: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Mario Partisan


    First, I am not a boomer, rather a Gen X/Y cusper. Neither am I a GOPer. Neither do I confuse communism and fascism.
     
    Okay. So, maybe drop the dumb boomer talking points?

    Your family's political bona fides and the Italian history lesson are interesting, but they don't address my points, or make it any less wrong to call antifa "fascist."


    Finally (take 2), do you think it is wise to amplify the Anti-fascist label of Antifa with normies just to try to improve the image of your fascist label? Maybe you want to use their own meme against them and get as many liberal leaning normies to hate these scum as much as possible.
     
    It isn't my fascist label, as I am not a fascist (except when I feel like saying I am, even though I'm not.). Though I am closer than I used to be. Basically I'm an agnostic WN, as I would take any pro-White system over what we have now (to include fascism).

    "Using their own meme against them" (democrats are the real racists, antifa are the real fascists) is in this case just rightists with their heads up their asses. This kind of rhetoric is by rightists, for rightists, and has no effect on leftists (call a leftist a racist or a fascist and you've bent knee to his religion; now all he has to do is show himself to be higher in its hierarchy, following it with greater zeal, than you are). And among rightists, all it does is reinforce the slave morality of faux-dissident rightism, of GOPe cuckservatism.

    It's surrendering the moral field to the enemy, using his labels, accepting his moral framework. We need to provide our own framework, not strive to be better at living up to his framework than he is.

    I suppose it does have some narrow uses to get brain-dead rightists thinking (e.g., about leftist hypocrisy), but we should avoid trying to be too sly or cute about this stuff. TBH the vast majority of rightists with enough brains to be recruited to the real dissident right already know this crap because it's already broadly-disseminated GOPe cuckservative boilerplate. And, frankly, has become maladaptive (used against actual dissident rightists far more than against leftists).

    As for normies? I wouldn't know. They're so far from my mode of thinking that I don't really know how to recruit them anymore.


    I’m on your side…I think.
     
    Far more so than not, I'd think.
  188. @wren
    It appears that when the antifa transgenders stray too far from the pack, they are at risk of getting picked off by the roving blm thugs.

    I think the guy who got knocked out initially got involved to help out a transgender person who was getting robbed. Poor choice.

    I think he's the one with the blue shirt.

    https://www.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295264755712528384

    Replies: @wren, @Federalist, @SunBakedSuburb, @Daniel H, @Dave

    At the end we see a white pickup truck and a white crew-cut cis-man dressed in blue. Hope that guy doesn’t get dragged out of his truck and beaten into a coma for trying to help the poor tranny.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Dave

    I think the blue t-shirt guy got out of the coma.

    Apparently the guy who beat him up is busy raising money online while hiding from the police.

    He looks like a potential democrat superstar.

  189. ‘…. One possibility is that Oregon’s expansive transgender rights policies draw in crazy people from around the country (or world)…’

    One relevant fact here may be the Oregon Health Plan (what you get by being poor enough) will pay for transgender surgery.

    It’s mildly weird, as it won’t pay for eyeglasses.

  190. Sisters in hate = …inherit assets. Nastiest heirs!

    Should white women get their druthers as they did in 2016, get ready for a quite January 20th. From the Congressional Quarterly Almanac, 1957:

    President Eisenhower and Vice President Richard M. Nixon began their second terms in office after a private, three-minute swearing-in ceremony at the White House Janl. 20 and a public osth-taking at the Capitol Jan. 21…. Only about 80 persons, mostly relatives, close friends and high-ranking White House officials, witnessed the Jan. 20 ceremony. The double oath-taking was deemed necessary because the constitutional inaugrual date fell on a Sunday. On orders from the President, no newsmen, radio or television stations were permitted to record the private ceremony. Only a Navy Department photographer photographed the event.

    Cf. here.

    On Ronald Reagan’s next birthday, 17 days after the (re-)inauguration, John Lennon (who met Reagan) will have been dead as long as he was alive. A few months later the same will be true of Kurt Cobain.

    As noted before, Joe Biden will have lived exactly as many days this Election Day as Reagan did the day he left office.

  191. @Steve Sailer
    @Jane Plain

    In general, the English-speaking peoples got a lot nicer over the course of the 19th Century. The Victorian Era really was an age of moral progress.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Gordo, @Jane Plain

    Say’s who?

    An excerpt from the great Victorian hero Harry Flashman.

    But the real life was to be had outside; respectable society apart, I was in with the fast set, idling, gaming, drinking, and raking about the town. It was the end of the great days of the bucks and blades; we had a queen on the throne, and her cold white hand and her poker-backed husband’s were already setting their grip on the nation’s life, smothering the old wild ways in their come-to-Jesus hypocrisy. We were entering into what is now called the Victorian Age, when respectability was the thing; breeches were out and trousers came in; bosoms were being covered and eyes modestly lowered; politics was becoming sober, trade and industry were becoming fashionable, the odour of sanctity was replacing the happy reek of brandy, the age of the Corinthian, the plunger, and the dandy was giving way to that of the prig, the preacher, and the bore.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Kronos

    Flashman is a fictional character. Just a story.

    Author George MacDonald Fraiser was born in 1925, therefore not a Victorian.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Kronos

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Kronos

    Great books. Endlessly entertaining. And everyone a history course by itself.

    To anyone who hasn't read them: read them all. Buy them now, before Fraser is canceled and his books banned.

  192. @Jane Plain
    @JimB

    Whites have some sort of gene predisposing them to be kind to animals?

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/aspca-is-founded


    On April 10, 1866, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) is founded in New York City by philanthropist and diplomat Henry Bergh, 54.

    In 1863, Bergh had been appointed by President Abraham Lincoln to a diplomatic post at the Russian court of Czar Alexander II. It was there that he was horrified to witness work horses beaten by their peasant drivers. En route back to America, a June 1865 visit to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in London awakened his determination to secure a charter not only to incorporate the ASPCA but to exercise the power to arrest and prosecute violators of the law.

    Back in New York, Bergh pleaded on behalf of “these mute servants of mankind” at a February 8, 1866, meeting at Clinton Hall.
     
    If whites are so nice to animals, why (a) were they beaten by Russian peasants - Asiatic ancestry? and (b) why did there need to be a society founded to prevent cruelty against them?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Peter D. Bredon, @John Johnson

    The salient thing is the fact that the society existed at all, and was accepted by top people as a serious thing. Organizations overshadow their ostensible bugbear all the time, it’s the norm in advocacy organizing. Was there a Chinese or Somali or Aztec RSPCA? The idea is comical.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @J.Ross

    I agree with that. What I'm saying is it has nothing to do with genes.

  193. @RichardTaylor
    They have to push fear of rightwing militias in order to justify their growing tyranny.

    The Soviets pretended the Polish Military Organization was a big threat even though it was gone by 1921. Per Wiki:

    Although the PMO was disbanded in 1921, Soviet authorities claimed that it continued to exist; during the Great Purge of 1936-38 and as early as 1933, many people of Polish nationality were charged with membership in it
     
    This led to Soviet NKVD Order № 00485 which was effective at killing over 100,000 people.

    The Soviet NKVD Order № 00485 was an anti-Polish ethnic cleansing campaign issued on August 11, 1937 which laid the foundation for the systematic elimination of the Polish minority in the Soviet Union between 1937 and 1938
     

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Ben tillman

    This was a valuable comment. Thanks.

  194. @Achmed E. Newman
    Women in the White Nationalist movement?! Ha! They only wish. If they were to get just a handful of hotties they could get big enough to take up at least one white Econoline van and be worthy of an FBI "wire"tap. The hotties would likely be employees of said FBI though, is the only thing ...

    It would be reassuring to think that there is a fixed number of deranged people in the population and that Oregon has generously offered to take on more than its fair share. And that the men who claim to be women who have thus relocated to Portland are also attracted, due to their general viciousness of character, to Antifa.
     
    It'd be nice if that were the case - the Governor could order a pallet of straight jackets straight off amazon, and take care of this in one evening. Please note that though the laws relaxing requirements on genderbenders are State laws, most of Oregon is very conservative. The conservative 95% of the State, area wise, is overwhelmed by the deranged voters in Portland.... OK, Eugene, Ashland maybe ...

    You are onto something, Steve, with this preponderance of genderbenders being part of these riots. I noted from the last post that Jesse guy(?) rioting every night. What a combination - the emotions of a women with the muscle mass of a man!

    Replies: @36 ulster, @Dieter Kief, @James O'Meara

    “The conservative 95% of the State, area wise, is overwhelmed by the deranged voters in Portland”

    I hear this sort of thing all the time, for various states. How, EXACTLY, are the wishes of the 95% being ignored? Do they not vote? In that case, fuck ’em. Is the vote rigged? In that case, where’s the Justice Department?

    It’s one thing to complain about ringers being imported from Somalia, but how are these “sleeping giants” or “silent minorities” being disinfranchised?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @James O'Meara


    It’s one thing to complain about ringers being imported from Somalia, but how are these “sleeping giants” or “silent minorities” being disinfranchised?
     
    That's easy. You just bribe both parties to ignore White interests, and Voila: you've got a disenfranchised majority.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @James O'Meara

    Did you see the part about "area wise", James?

    Of course, the majority of LAND does not rule. My point is simply that there are large portions of the country that are filled (much more lightly) with Conservative people. I've been everywhere.

  195. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    “whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. ”

    Classic example of the turgid prose produced by people trying to make tautologies like “Trump supports want him to win” into statement of Lovecraftian foreboding.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @James O'Meara

    To be fair, they're right that Trump dials up his proto-WN rhetoric and trolling as his next election approaches. He did it in 2016, and he's been doing it lately as his poll numbers sink lower and lower.

    And to be fairer, WN commentators like Mike Enoch have predicted all along that he'd do exactly that.

    Unfortunately, it's total bullshit. Trump's an empty suit, and he doesn't care about Whites.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  196. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    “women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred”

    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that “gentle and nurturing” becomes “totalitarian” in the political realm, and that women — left or right — shouldn’t be let anywhere near a ballot box.

    • Replies: @anon
    @James O'Meara


    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that “gentle and nurturing” becomes “totalitarian” in the political realm, and that women — left or right — shouldn’t be let anywhere near a ballot box.
     
    Rudyard Kipling, an actual Victorian, knew a thing about that.

    "The Female of the Species"
    http://www.potw.org/archive/potw96.html
    , @Rosie
    @James O'Meara


    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that “gentle and nurturing” becomes “totalitarian” in the political realm, and that women — left or right — shouldn’t be let anywhere near a ballot box.
     
    That's just your distorted perception resulting from your own confirmation bias. In fact, there is no evidence at all for your claim that women have been particularly hysterical about covid. Of the first eight governors to declare a state of emergency, all but one were men.

    https://www.newsweek.com/what-us-states-have-declared-state-emergency-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-1491299

    You're a smart guy. Go think of some other reason to bash women. I'm sure you'll come up with something.
    , @Anonymous
    @James O'Meara

    I presume O'Meara's mad his rough trade has been interfered with by the lockdowns.

    I'm a supporter of traditional gender roles, but it has hardly escaped my notice that a disproportionate amount of the extreme misogyny is driven by gays mad mommy didn't let them live the life of blow and butsecks at age 16.

  197. @Dr. X

    Actually, the Antifa phenomenon is pretty interesting. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism?
     
    It's pretty simple, I think. Antifa are communists. Karl Marx envisioned communism as an era of infinite freedom, in which people could do whatever they actually want, instead of being subject to the social restraints and discipline associated with doing bourgeois work.

    Marx envisioned this as a good thing, but what we have seen in reality is that when people don't have to work to support themselves and can do whatever they please, it often provides a license to exhibit sociopathological, deviant, and perverted behavior.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    The TradCaths and Neocons better rethink their promotion of Josef Pieper’s Leisure: The Basis of Culture.

  198. @Clyde
    @Rob McX


    I’ve read many articles over the last few decades about transsexuals, and it used to be that they were harmless people who ill-advisedly sought to cure a psychiatric illness by means of surgery. Until the last year or so, I’d never heard of any of them being involved in violence.
     
    American trannys and those transitioning have always been violent due to inner rage. But it was not politically directed or connected. They would just act out as they congregated on street corners waiting for paying customers. Getting violent with each other and their cruise by clientele.

    Remember when Eddie Murphy was involved with Los Angeles street trannys about 12 years ago? This hetero dude who had a great sex oriented docu-movie called Raw which was extremely funny. Peak Eddie. He has 8 or so children with various genuine women. What a laff and a half!

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    Anyone who’s disaffected is ripe to be taken up (aufheben, as Hegel would say, taken up AND transformed) by the left and twisted into a violent, anti-establishment ingrate looking to “smash the power”.

    This is what happened to homosexuals after Stonewall (US) and Wolfenden (UK): rather than openly supporting order and culture (like say Plato or Noel Coward) they were radicalized by the Left.

    Before that, women. From votes and divorce (reasonable) to abortion on demand, kill all men, smash patriarchy, etc.

    The Right, for some reason, either never figures this out to forestall it, or can’t figure out how to do it: e.g., their failure to actually add Hispanics or Asians as “natural conservatives.”

    It may be that conservatives are just unattractive people.

  199. @Dave
    @wren

    At the end we see a white pickup truck and a white crew-cut cis-man dressed in blue. Hope that guy doesn't get dragged out of his truck and beaten into a coma for trying to help the poor tranny.

    Replies: @wren

    I think the blue t-shirt guy got out of the coma.

    Apparently the guy who beat him up is busy raising money online while hiding from the police.

    He looks like a potential democrat superstar.

  200. @Kronos
    @Steve Sailer

    Say’s who?

    https://www.amazon.com/Royal-Flash-Flashman-Book-2-ebook/dp/B00AR2S062/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Royal+flashman&qid=1597973566&sr=8-5

    An excerpt from the great Victorian hero Harry Flashman.


    But the real life was to be had outside; respectable society apart, I was in with the fast set, idling, gaming, drinking, and raking about the town. It was the end of the great days of the bucks and blades; we had a queen on the throne, and her cold white hand and her poker-backed husband’s were already setting their grip on the nation’s life, smothering the old wild ways in their come-to-Jesus hypocrisy. We were entering into what is now called the Victorian Age, when respectability was the thing; breeches were out and trousers came in; bosoms were being covered and eyes modestly lowered; politics was becoming sober, trade and industry were becoming fashionable, the odour of sanctity was replacing the happy reek of brandy, the age of the Corinthian, the plunger, and the dandy was giving way to that of the prig, the preacher, and the bore.
     

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon

    Flashman is a fictional character. Just a story.

    Author George MacDonald Fraiser was born in 1925, therefore not a Victorian.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @anon


    Flashman is a fictional character. Just a story.
     
    I'm sure Kronos is aware of that. The character is fictional. A lot of the scenarios in the books are not.
    , @Kronos
    @anon

    Now your just ruining the fun...

    https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/mp/products/T691A458MPA3100PT17X40Y53D1019585827FS3154/views/1,width=378,height=378,appearanceId=458,backgroundColor=F2F2F2,version=1574064174/meme-actually-ackchuyally-nerd-geek-smart-aleck-unisex-tri-blend-t-shirt.jpg

    Did you tell your kids that Santa Claus didn’t exist right off the bat at two years old?

    I recall some historian did think they were real at some point. He didn’t get the joke either.

  201. @Ben tillman
    @Almost Missouri

    Regarding the FBI’s arrests of “foreign terrorists”, it should be noted that foreign terrorists are elsewhere and therefore not subject to arrest by the FBI.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Peter D. Bredon

    ” foreign terrorists are elsewhere and therefore not subject to arrest by the FBI.”

    Are you autistic? So, when Osama bin Laden arrives in the US, he’s now a “domestic terrorist”?

  202. anon[945] • Disclaimer says:
    @James O'Meara
    @Tono Bungay

    "women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred"

    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that "gentle and nurturing" becomes "totalitarian" in the political realm, and that women --- left or right -- shouldn't be let anywhere near a ballot box.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie, @Anonymous

    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that “gentle and nurturing” becomes “totalitarian” in the political realm, and that women — left or right — shouldn’t be let anywhere near a ballot box.

    Rudyard Kipling, an actual Victorian, knew a thing about that.

    “The Female of the Species”
    http://www.potw.org/archive/potw96.html

  203. @Thomas
    I know for a fact that in Seattle, if you "join" or affiliate or do whatever it is you do to get into Antifa and are willing to actually get out in the streets, you get an ATM card that gets $1,500 a month deposited into it.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @The Wild Geese Howard

    you get an ATM card that gets $1,500 a month deposited into it.

    Pretty sure that Soros, the DNCCCP, and BLM can easily cover that.

  204. @Pop Warner
    @Tono Bungay


    Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred.”
     
    On any other day the Sulzberger Times would be denouncing such "misogynist" characterizations of women, taking pride in those women who act most masculine in all manners. But as soon as it's about ebil white nationalist women then they're concerned that a woman might not be meek and genteel, even though their characterization makes no sense. The "white nationalist" or conservative women they decry likely are more feminine than your average op ed writer for the times, but since being pro-white is the equivalent to tattooing a swastika on your forehead and curb stomping blacks then they could never understand how a precious, pure female could possibly be into that.

    They're so blinded by the caricatures they craft for their narrative that journalists are rendered incapable of explaining even the most basic motivations for being pro-white. Though that's probably by design

    Replies: @Rosie

    They’re so blinded by the caricatures they craft for their narrative that journalists are rendered incapable of explaining even the most basic motivations for being pro-white. Though that’s probably by design

    They know exactly what they are doing and they know perfectly well it has nothing to do with “hate.”

    It is they who hate, on the one hand telling us to “celebrate diversity” and on the other hand telling us we should be fine with a future with no White people. I can only conclude from that that they think Whites are uniquely evil and unworthy of respect or even continued existence on this planet.

    • Agree: throtler
  205. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Prefatory to a (hopefully, maybe) more systematic analysis in a later comment, here are just some scattered observations, just information that needs to be ingested before one ventures further....

    1. There are no actual fascists in America, or pretty much anywhere else in the world really, and there are also no actual Nazis. Marginalized, powerless, mentally ill people who dress up in stupid costumes are not an actual political force in America. People with dopey swastika tattoos who dress up in wacky uniforms do not go to Harvard, they don't get to write for the New York Times, they don't get AIPAC-funded seats in Congress, and none of them has ever had enough clout to start a trillion-dollar self-interested war in Iraq. Politically speaking, so-called "fascists" and "Nazis" do not actually exist.

    2. The fact that every once in a while, an innocent person gets attacked or injured by a couple of costume-wearing weirdos is unfortunate, but it's not a "threat," and it's certainly not "domestic terrorism" (a meaningless propaganda phrase). It is simply a statistical aberration. If you look at Paul Kersey's blog on this very site, you will find pretty much daily instances of White people being raped, murdered, and terrorized by blacks, all with a rather obvious race-based motivation. There is no such massive documentation of any kind of behavior like this done by the imaginary Nazis or the FBI/ADL-imaginary Ku Klux Klan. White people who wander in to black neighborhoods get actually raped and murdered. Black people who wander into White neighborhoods get microaggressions.

    3. The people who style themselves Antifa or anti-fascist are really against leprechauns, unicorns and flying monkeys. There are no fascists or Nazis to oppose: they are doing this because they either want to be in a gang, but don't have the cojones or the cred to join the Crips or the LKs; they're nerds who are looking to get laid by making up this macho tuff-guy routine; they want to feel self-righteous by burning witches and slaying zombies; they are historically illiterate and have no background in moral reasoning; they think they're still marching for Cibil rights in 1963, or fighting an imaginary Holocaust; or all of the above.

    4. Oregon, as a state, is about the size of the UK, but it only has one major city, Portland, which isn't really that big. The entire PNW if you include Idaho and so on is bigger than England France combined, but only has two real cities, Seattle and Portland. That means that these places are collection centers for every sort of disaffected weirdo who couldn't get to Paris or London.

    5. Cities like NYC, LA, (or even Chicago and San Francisco) are full of hipsters who are looking to get into The Business, or make it in the Big Time. There is no Big Time in Portland, yet it's full of hipsters, looking to make a reputation. This creates an energy problem.

    More later.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anon, @sayless

    That was helpful, Germ Theory, thanks.

  206. @James O'Meara
    @Tono Bungay

    "women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred"

    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that "gentle and nurturing" becomes "totalitarian" in the political realm, and that women --- left or right -- shouldn't be let anywhere near a ballot box.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie, @Anonymous

    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that “gentle and nurturing” becomes “totalitarian” in the political realm, and that women — left or right — shouldn’t be let anywhere near a ballot box.

    That’s just your distorted perception resulting from your own confirmation bias. In fact, there is no evidence at all for your claim that women have been particularly hysterical about covid. Of the first eight governors to declare a state of emergency, all but one were men.

    https://www.newsweek.com/what-us-states-have-declared-state-emergency-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-1491299

    You’re a smart guy. Go think of some other reason to bash women. I’m sure you’ll come up with something.

    • Agree: throtler
  207. @James O'Meara
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "The conservative 95% of the State, area wise, is overwhelmed by the deranged voters in Portland"

    I hear this sort of thing all the time, for various states. How, EXACTLY, are the wishes of the 95% being ignored? Do they not vote? In that case, fuck 'em. Is the vote rigged? In that case, where's the Justice Department?

    It's one thing to complain about ringers being imported from Somalia, but how are these "sleeping giants" or "silent minorities" being disinfranchised?

    Replies: @Rosie, @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s one thing to complain about ringers being imported from Somalia, but how are these “sleeping giants” or “silent minorities” being disinfranchised?

    That’s easy. You just bribe both parties to ignore White interests, and Voila: you’ve got a disenfranchised majority.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  208. @danand
    @Rob McX


    "OT: I wonder what’s behind this…Steve Bannon arrested on $1 million fraud charge."
     
    Rob McX, as Postal Service enforcement officers were employed to arrest Bannon, you'd have to assume that this whole USPS dust-up with Trump was "engineered". Bannon's arrest had to be at least weeks in the making/preparation.

    Pretty obvious in hindsight the press was "instructed" to create a narrative that Trump was literally at war with the USPS so that when the arrest came the resulting explosion and ensuing inferno would create maximum carnage.

    Could be it was originally intended as an "October Surprise"; but had to be set off today to help distract from Biden's national coming out party tonight - introducing the world to the shockingly new, unrecognizable Joe - the shell of a man who will tilt this country forward.

    Replies: @Muggles, @James O'Meara

    Yes, Trump is supposed to look like he’s “lashing out” at the USPS.

    Only the student body president/jouro school wimps of the MSM would try to make the USPS look like heroes.

  209. @Thomas
    @Rob McX

    The Christine Jourgensen types decades ago were a different breed. The modern strain has just become a magnet for disturbed and angry people. There's always something in the Zeitgeist that attracts cranks.

    Add in some elements of lower pop- and internet culture. Modern transgenderism is partially driven by video games, anime, girl on girl porn, feminization kink stuff, etc.

    Replies: @Svigor, @James O'Meara

    They don’t make trannies like they used to.

    But yes, you’re right.

  210. @BB753
    Tranny riots. They're mean, they're big, they're aggressive and they're angry! Don't be fooled by the high heels!

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @BB753

    It’s like no one actually remembers what “Stonewall” was.

    • LOL: BB753
  211. @Kronos
    @Steve Sailer

    Say’s who?

    https://www.amazon.com/Royal-Flash-Flashman-Book-2-ebook/dp/B00AR2S062/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Royal+flashman&qid=1597973566&sr=8-5

    An excerpt from the great Victorian hero Harry Flashman.


    But the real life was to be had outside; respectable society apart, I was in with the fast set, idling, gaming, drinking, and raking about the town. It was the end of the great days of the bucks and blades; we had a queen on the throne, and her cold white hand and her poker-backed husband’s were already setting their grip on the nation’s life, smothering the old wild ways in their come-to-Jesus hypocrisy. We were entering into what is now called the Victorian Age, when respectability was the thing; breeches were out and trousers came in; bosoms were being covered and eyes modestly lowered; politics was becoming sober, trade and industry were becoming fashionable, the odour of sanctity was replacing the happy reek of brandy, the age of the Corinthian, the plunger, and the dandy was giving way to that of the prig, the preacher, and the bore.
     

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon

    Great books. Endlessly entertaining. And everyone a history course by itself.

    To anyone who hasn’t read them: read them all. Buy them now, before Fraser is canceled and his books banned.

    • Agree: Kronos
  212. @anon
    @Kronos

    Flashman is a fictional character. Just a story.

    Author George MacDonald Fraiser was born in 1925, therefore not a Victorian.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Kronos

    Flashman is a fictional character. Just a story.

    I’m sure Kronos is aware of that. The character is fictional. A lot of the scenarios in the books are not.

  213. @JimB
    In majority minority America, the weak shall suffer. The depravity of many blacks knows no bottom.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/black-lives-matter-supporters-run-brutally-beat-raccoon-death-claim-white-people-worry-animals-video/

    Replies: @Daniel H, @sayless, @Anonymous, @throtler

    It seems the animal rights activists are already on the case. They’ve already got the guy’s address.

  214. @botazefa
    @Anon


    In terms of my own ‘noticing,’ the average trans woman is from what I have seen an introverted, insecure, well-educated professionals
     
    Insecure and introverted people don't hang placards around their necks with a list of demands for strangers to fulfill. They don't attract attention. They are wallflowers.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    Oh come on, as Joe Biden would say. It doesn’t make you less of a man to admit not everyone in some category is exactly the same. The trannies I knew in NYC in the late 90s undoubted voted Hillary for Senate, and probably President (I was long gone), but I doubt they would be joining antifa today. The change is real, and needs to be explained (tho it’s not the most important issue in the world, of course). The Left doesn’t just take up the disaffected, it CHANGES them into violent activists. Maybe that’s why the Left seems to always win, hmmmm?

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Peter D. Bredon

    All I said was that trannies aren't introverts.

  215. @AnotherDad
    What we're seeing in the streets is an artifact of the incredible technological and productive success of white men and a general problem: What to do with useless, destructive and non-compliant people?


    Noted before: The nation state--a people united by common language, religion, culture, history and descent, with a specific territory with defined borders--is the best political arrangement in human history. Best of all, under the republican governance of productive men.

    But with that fixed territory we lose what was easy to do as a tribe--kick the assholes out!

    In the before time, even settled peoples could do that. They might tolerate the village idiot, but the village crazy, the village asshole would be shown the door, or "dealt with".

    But now with our incredible prosperity and our legal infrastructure, all sorts of garbage who have no productive role/capability, still can survive--even thrive in a comfy sinecure. George Floyd, these Antifa trannies and assorted other goons, other nuts.

    What's needed is for every nation state to have a dump. And when the productive men--properly running the nation state--determine that someone doesn't want to get with the program--criminal, loony, some other sort of parasite--they are "out" and dumped there.

    In other words, people are not entitled to be parasites on the productive men and women of a nation. If someone doesn't like the program, wants to defy it--great. But they're out. Parasite defense.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    Wish them into the corn field!

  216. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    They were a group called "Unite the Right" and were in no way neo-Nazis, Harry. There is plenty of information out there about what happened August 3 years back in Charlottesville, some even right here on unz, and there have been lots of follow-up regarding the legal railroading (especially of James Field) on VDare too.

    It wasn't staged-managed. It was more like an ambush by a larger crowd with the entire establishment, law enforcement, city government, etc. on the side of the antifa goon squad.

    Unite the Right simply cared about Southern heritage, and I'm guess American heritage too. You should be MORE than skeptical of what comes out of the MSM, Harry.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    They were a group called “Unite the Right” and were in no way neo-Nazis, Harry.

    I believe that some of them were neo-Nazis or fascists, although not all or perhaps even most of them. Spencer is essentially a fascist, isn’t he? None of which is especially relevant as to the outcome of the events. It was a legal, permitted protest and would have remained peaceful if the antifa goons, with the tacit support of the authorities, hadn’t started the rumble.

  217. Anonymous[420] • Disclaimer says:
    @James O'Meara
    @Tono Bungay

    "women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred"

    Actually, the performance of the various she-mayors, she-governors, and she-prime ministers during the virus hoax might suggest that "gentle and nurturing" becomes "totalitarian" in the political realm, and that women --- left or right -- shouldn't be let anywhere near a ballot box.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie, @Anonymous

    I presume O’Meara’s mad his rough trade has been interfered with by the lockdowns.

    I’m a supporter of traditional gender roles, but it has hardly escaped my notice that a disproportionate amount of the extreme misogyny is driven by gays mad mommy didn’t let them live the life of blow and butsecks at age 16.

    • Agree: throtler, S. Anonyia
  218. @Thomas
    @Buffalo Joe

    I've heard it recounted by family members of teenagers who got involved with Antifa. I'm located in Seattle and personally involved in some of the activities going on in this part of the country currently.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Buffalo Joe

    There’s that alleged $20 million payoff to antifas over CHOP, so I wouldn’t count out the ATM cards. There’s a lot of fishy stuff going on in Seattle.

  219. @Jane Plain
    @JimB

    Whites have some sort of gene predisposing them to be kind to animals?

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/aspca-is-founded


    On April 10, 1866, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) is founded in New York City by philanthropist and diplomat Henry Bergh, 54.

    In 1863, Bergh had been appointed by President Abraham Lincoln to a diplomatic post at the Russian court of Czar Alexander II. It was there that he was horrified to witness work horses beaten by their peasant drivers. En route back to America, a June 1865 visit to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in London awakened his determination to secure a charter not only to incorporate the ASPCA but to exercise the power to arrest and prosecute violators of the law.

    Back in New York, Bergh pleaded on behalf of “these mute servants of mankind” at a February 8, 1866, meeting at Clinton Hall.
     
    If whites are so nice to animals, why (a) were they beaten by Russian peasants - Asiatic ancestry? and (b) why did there need to be a society founded to prevent cruelty against them?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Peter D. Bredon, @John Johnson

    For the same reason only White countries worked to END slavery. Not that any bleks thank us for it, the ingrates.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Nope.

    Only one white country: Britain (and its offshoot in the US colonies). AND, half of the colonies that rebelled then decided slavery was AOK. So I don't get how any of this is genetic. It's all economic.

    , @Svigor
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Well, if you really know blacks you know that slavery is a black thing, so being anti-slavery is kinda anti-black. So is being against cruelty to animals, now that I think about it.

    Yeah, it's fair to say that lots of nice, moral, high-minded stuff actually is kinda anti-black.

  220. @James O'Meara
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "The conservative 95% of the State, area wise, is overwhelmed by the deranged voters in Portland"

    I hear this sort of thing all the time, for various states. How, EXACTLY, are the wishes of the 95% being ignored? Do they not vote? In that case, fuck 'em. Is the vote rigged? In that case, where's the Justice Department?

    It's one thing to complain about ringers being imported from Somalia, but how are these "sleeping giants" or "silent minorities" being disinfranchised?

    Replies: @Rosie, @Achmed E. Newman

    Did you see the part about “area wise”, James?

    Of course, the majority of LAND does not rule. My point is simply that there are large portions of the country that are filled (much more lightly) with Conservative people. I’ve been everywhere.

  221. @36 ulster
    @Achmed E. Newman

    MUSCLE mass??

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Men are more muscular than women.

    (or, are you just talking about this one, errr, guy?)

  222. @anon
    @Kronos

    Flashman is a fictional character. Just a story.

    Author George MacDonald Fraiser was born in 1925, therefore not a Victorian.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Kronos

    Now your just ruining the fun…

    Did you tell your kids that Santa Claus didn’t exist right off the bat at two years old?

    I recall some historian did think they were real at some point. He didn’t get the joke either.

  223. The crazy transgender theory has much merit … Anyone remember the “Black Judas” fruitcake taunting black NYC cops?

    The video is here, and thankfully short …

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-occupy-city-hall-protesters-seen-taunting-nypd-black-judas

    This dancing fruit-twink knows the cops have been ordered to not engage … so, for the first time ever, he can make fun of someone else without getting his ass kicked.

  224. @Mario Partisan
    With all due respect Mr. Sailer, your first paragraph needs to be corrected. It should read:

    Over the last half decade a vast amount of in-depth prestige press coverage has been devoted to the so-called “alt-right” while almost none has been devoted to “Antifa,” due to the latter being vastly larger and more favored by government officials, as we’ve seen this year in unfortunate cities such as Minneapolis, Madison, Seattle, and Portland.
     
    Mussolini famously said, “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism, because it is the merger for corporate power and the state.”

    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.


    Actually, the Antifa phenomenon is pretty interesting. For example, what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism? Why are such a large percentage of the rioters — criminals who are so violent that they get arrested even in pro-violence Portland — transgender?

     

    Q. What is the relationship? A. They are both pretending to be the opposite of what they are. Whether they are doing so ironically or unironically is a secondary issue. It might very well be the latter as many of these people are mentally ill.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Muggles, @ATBOTL

    Antifa are the real fa.

    Okey dokey then.

  225. @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Whenever I hear about AOC's supposed "squad" of fellow commies I get a laugh about that.
     
    Squad is just one letter off squaw. That word has been canceled due to an erroneous folk etymology. The 1960 Winter Olympics will have been hosted at Indiginous Woman Valley.

    Replies: @bruce county

    There is still Squamish B.C. Its only 4,269 km (2,646) miles from Kitchener.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @bruce county


    There is still Squamish B.C.
     
    Isn't that Irish for "Jim"?

    I get squ(e)amish just thinking about First Nation genitalia. I'll stick with the fry bread, thank you.
  226. @Muggles
    @danand

    >>USPS dust-up with Trump was “engineered”. Bannon’s arrest had to be at least weeks in the making/preparation.<<

    I think your interesting theory is a "bridge too far."

    Few outside the Dem TDS orbit buy into any "post office" conspiracy. It is so silly that Pelosi is making herself look foolish. To think that this kind of non thinking gets into secondary effects planning over some barely remembered Trump operative from 2016 is far fetched.

    I have been involved in many very small political groups, fronts, etc. and believe me, they are all ripe for sticky fingers. Professionally I dealt with this in business and in politics it is rampant.

    BLM is awash in easy money so that will be a downfall for some who end up with Cadillacs they can't afford. Other groups, both left and right, have long been plagued by insider corruption. I'm not aware of the details of Bannon's alleged thefts but "Building the Wall" or whatever is very fishy. Did any of the "wall" get funded by this outfit? None? Shocking! So he was easy pickings.

    Of course he's innocent until railroaded guilty.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    BLM is awash in easy money so that will be a downfall for some who end up with Cadillacs they can’t afford.

    Only if prosecutors take a sudden interest, which they emphatically have not, despite BLM/antifa absorbing/laundering orders of magnitude more money than whatever Bannon’s obscure org had. Heck, prosecutors can barely rouse themselves to interest in straight up murder by antifa/BLM.

    BLM can have all the “sticky fingers” they want in perpetuity. What penalties has Al Sharpton and his org borne for a lifetime of tax evasion and corruption? But if you, Mr. Conservative Patriot, so much as misfile a registration form, the prosecutors will be all over you with a list of abstruse but life-wrecking process crimes.

  227. @Jane Plain
    @JimB

    Whites have some sort of gene predisposing them to be kind to animals?

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/aspca-is-founded


    On April 10, 1866, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) is founded in New York City by philanthropist and diplomat Henry Bergh, 54.

    In 1863, Bergh had been appointed by President Abraham Lincoln to a diplomatic post at the Russian court of Czar Alexander II. It was there that he was horrified to witness work horses beaten by their peasant drivers. En route back to America, a June 1865 visit to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in London awakened his determination to secure a charter not only to incorporate the ASPCA but to exercise the power to arrest and prosecute violators of the law.

    Back in New York, Bergh pleaded on behalf of “these mute servants of mankind” at a February 8, 1866, meeting at Clinton Hall.
     
    If whites are so nice to animals, why (a) were they beaten by Russian peasants - Asiatic ancestry? and (b) why did there need to be a society founded to prevent cruelty against them?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Peter D. Bredon, @John Johnson

    If whites are so nice to animals, why (a) were they beaten by Russian peasants – Asiatic ancestry? and (b) why did there need to be a society founded to prevent cruelty against them?

    If Africa had been left alone do you think it today would be:

    (a) Harmonious Wakanda where animals are treated ethically

    (b) Africa

  228. @Zoodles
    It's about sexual deviance in general. If you examine the histories of Antifa members, you'll find a much higher than average number of deviants, sex pests and pedos. The hope, that come the revolution, they'll get to indulge thier deviances.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It’s about sexual deviance in general. If you examine the histories of Antifa members, you’ll find a much higher than average number of deviants, sex pests and pedos. The hope, that come the revolution, they’ll get to indulge thier deviances.

    Any extreme political movement will attract unstable people. Some of those unstable people will be inclined to violence. In the case of antifa it’s not just people with sexual/gender issues. Antifa also attracts vegans, and vegans tend to be highly unstable.

    If you look at antifa or the alt-right or extremist environmental groups you’ll find lots of unstable people. Extremism attracts extreme people.

    You’ll see something similar in wacky religious cults.

    Extremist groups (including religious cults) also tend to attract both sexual libertines and sexual puritans. Feminism includes both libertines and puritans. The alt-right attracts sexual puritans.

  229. @Dumbo

    ‘Sisters in Hate’ Offers a Window Into Women in the White Nationalist Movement
     
    Women in the White Nationalist movement?? Are there any?
    I thought it was mostly a sausage fest (like in any serious political movement).
    Still, it beats having crazy transgenders or blue-haired lesbians like the Antifa loons...

    what in the world is the relationship between Antifa and transgenderism?
     
    I think a lot of radical SJWs are sexually confused (feminine men, masculine women, others who don't even know which sex/gender they are), and that fuels their violence too.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Women in the White Nationalist movement?? Are there any?

    There aren’t many. That’s one of the reasons White Nationalism is politically bankrupt.

  230. @AKAHorace
    @Almost Missouri


    Andrew Anglin, who apparently has communicated with some of these people, says that these and other “Neo-Nazis” are low-IQ loser patsies set up by the FBI to provide the public
     
    There may be some overlap in the personality types that antifa and fascists recruit from. Below is from a guide on how to set up an Antifa group

    INFILTRATORS

    Over the years, we have dealt with a variety of infiltrators. Sometimes they are random contacts. Sometimes they are fencesitters in the punk rock and skinhead scenes who are known to people in both fascist and anti-fascist circles. On one occasion, a black man tried to get involved with antifa groups, but ended up being affiliated with a neo-Nazi party and was feeding them information. Alt Right supporters in particular can be from the same social demographic as many left-wing activists, and have infiltrated several meetings and demonstrations, including January 2017 planning meetings in DC before the protests at the inauguration. You will have to screen out and deal with them.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    There may be some overlap in the personality types that antifa and fascists recruit from.

    I’d say that’s pretty much a certainty. Mentally unstable people are drawn to any kind of extremism – they don’t really care which kind.

    Antifa, fascism, the alt-right, pretty much all extremist political groupings are heavily driven by paranoia and resentment, so they will attract paranoid personality types and they will attract resentful losers. These movements also attract people who are losers in the sexual marketplace.

    It’s likely that there are people who start as antifa and become alt-right, or start as alt-right and become antifa.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @dfordoom

    YES. My husband and I discuss this a lot. Antifa trannies would have been donning brown shirts in another era. They would have been hunting witches in the Early Modern period. Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily. Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.

    The best worldviews are somewhat in line with Tolkien’s.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Svigor

  231. Seems to me the average leftist women are demonstrably worse than any average fat girl at a kkk barbeque…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Seems to me the average leftist women are demonstrably worse than any average fat girl at a kkk barbeque…
     
    If you think those women's behavior was wrong, per se, the younger, ruder alt-righters on this forum will condemn you as a "boomer" and a "cuck".

    To them, the only problem with these Wilmington witches is that they're on the wrong side.
  232. @JimB
    In majority minority America, the weak shall suffer. The depravity of many blacks knows no bottom.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/black-lives-matter-supporters-run-brutally-beat-raccoon-death-claim-white-people-worry-animals-video/

    Replies: @Daniel H, @sayless, @Anonymous, @throtler

    Raccoons, homeless…

  233. @Jane Plain
    @3g4me

    I have no ancestors from Germany.

    Replies: @Herzog

    Evybody knows that Germans are genetically defective.

  234. @anonymous
    Steve is surely right that Oregon's embrace of WWT earlier this decade has played a role in its Antifa uprising.

    But I think an even bigger factor has been the mass embrace of vegetarianism/veganism over a decade ago. This was greatly helped along by policies of the Obama administration. You now have a whole generation of young people who suffered from going through puberty with plant based diet induced malnutrition that really messed with their sex hormones and serotonin systems.

    Of course it bears repeating that Antifa is referred to, even by lefties, as Vegan ISIS.

    Also the characteristic extreme narcissistic personality disorders common among transsexuals are also a seen in vegans as well.

    There are numerous Youtube channels devoted to chronicling the distinct narcissistic personality disorders common among vegans.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/sv3rige/videos

    Ok this above one time ex-vegan Latvian is now the web's leading supporter of raw meat carnivore-ism, but lots of doctors are also now talking about the link between veganism/vegetarianism and mental health issues.

    Veganism causes Mental Illness | Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJZ7O7q83CY

    Last , wouldn't you just know Oregan is one of the most vegan/vegetarian states.
    https://towardsdatascience.com/which-states-are-the-most-vegan-and-which-states-arent-but-really-want-to-be-5ff619a87f4b

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Captain Tripps, @stillCARealist, @Ben tillman

    The rise of various extreme diets has been a fascinating thing to observe over my lifetime. I’m sure a significant factor is the rise of visual media over the last 100 years, which has only improved vastly over time (4K television sets, IMAX theaters). Seeing yourself in a picture or movie highlights your basic visual positives and negatives, and many focus on the negatives as a way to self-improvement. That can be a good thing, but is all too often taken to extremes.

    Another part of this is that many take the vegetarian/vegan route as an alternate means of religious piety, i.e. not wanting to see animals killed for slaughter and consumption, seeing that as immoral, causing suffering to these animals. There is some truth in this, in that mass consumption has led in some instances to very poor conditions and treatment. However, we’ve also improved this over time in the era of mass consumption and will continue to do so. It is a good thing within human nature to want to alleviate the suffering of animals; we have our domestic best friends as companions and family members. Also, the local farm to table alternatives help alleviate this as well.

    Occam’s razor tells me we evolved as omnivores over several hundred thousand years (perhaps more), mostly as hunter-gatherers. When you suddenly disrupt the evolved diet into one extreme or the other (either no-meat vegans, or no-plant paleos), its going to disrupt the basic wiring of the body/mind.

  235. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I see your point.
    But can't we agree even though in saying that history does make sense - and that being human should reduce the strings which hold us together as a society to mere feelings. - There are norms and customs and traditions etc. - and they do play a - reasonable - part in leading a good life and should thus be respected, even if we - for some moments - might think that we, as the indescribably precious and individual snowflakes, would represent individually and by the pure will of ourselves all that matters simply via our bodies = our naturally fragile and ultimately rich super-important selves.

    - I run more and more into people who don't understand that such a self-description has a deceptively sparkling center, that is, unfortunately, inconsistent (= fragile (= prone to self-pity, prone to real mishaps, to hard disillusionments, frustrations over frustrations and more often than not misery and suffering of all kinds - - - - as a reward - : -

    "The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68
    And he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday
    Cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark cafe
    You laugh, he said you think you're immune, go look at your eyes
    They're full of moon"

    - Joni Mitchell in Richard, on Blue).

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Anonymous

    Dieter, the US is a formerly civilized country and people being ruled by barbarians. The barbarians are the big city political leaders, descendants of the big city political machines of the 1900s. The leaders back then were second generation immigrants (or outcasts from the pre-1840 population) who believed in nothing but themselves, their leader, and money. They outmaneuvered their opponents (corporations, labor unions, the Solid South) after WW II, and have dominated since the 1960s revolution. See Copley’s _Uncivilization_ for another perspective on the same phenomenon.

    I’ve seen the transition from an actual society to what we have now — and here’s what happened to your description of the civilized life:

    There are norms and customs and traditions etc. – and they do play a – reasonable – part in leading a good life and should thus be respected,

    The descendants of the Big City Political Machines lead still believe in nothing except themselves, their organization, and money (see: postmodernism). The norms, customs, and traditions they see as something to take advantage of. If it is the norm to spank children, well, that’s a handle to disorganize the opposition and get a bit more money by making families into Hell and pushing now unmarriageable women into the workplace where they generate taxes, and to make divorced men who don’t have anything left to defend and so don’t oppose your organization.

    even if we – for some moments – might think that we, as the indescribably precious and individual snowflakes, would represent individually and by the pure will of ourselves all that matters simply via our bodies = our naturally fragile and ultimately rich super-important selves.

    That’s the goal — isolate and dominate. It’s not portrayed in contemporary societies as a temptation to ignore the common good, it’s described as the common good so long as it follows the party line.

    Dieter, you’re sounding like the rabbit in Watership Down

    You might want to watch that entire sequence. You are living with people who feed you and set snares — and, as in “Watership Down”, you feed them. Abstractions and concern for others can be good things, but they aren’t the only thing.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Anonymous

    Thanks, but unfortunately, I can't play the scene here in Germany.

    But I thought often of Forest Gump recently. Maybe "sleepy Joe" did that to me?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLvqoHBptjg

  236. I’m smart enough to know that the boogaloo which are mainly vdare readers are not interested in attacking ICE or the Cops. The same does for the Ayran Cowboys. In fact Kyle Shilder in Homeland security blames it mainly on antifa and BLM left wing groups. Same does for Bill Barr, Also, Andy Ngo criticized Richmond Police in Virginia when they were also trying to blame it a right wing group. Ngo listen several people in the riots in Richmond whose politics were on the left like Mollie Conner. Chris W ray was bribe by the DNC to say its right wing groups since Keith Ellison and J Ellison are supports of Antifa. In fact two lawyers throwing a flame thrower at a cop car in New York where leftist since they were not white. Non-white rately belong to right wing white groups. They lawyers were bail out by liberals one who served an internship under Obama.

  237. @Ragno
    On the one hand, I think: does anyone still read, or believe, the NYT or WaPo or any of the thousand-and-one ventriloquist dummies seated on the lap of Leviathan? Can anyone believe it? This article - antifa a mirage; boogaloo bois are running wild! (in Montana, apparently) - only becomes more bizarrely false when you learn the 'journalist' is a long-time Portland resident and hipster.

    But of course it's important that her name...Leah Sottile.... is noted and remembered; not to hand over to Boogaloo Security, but to steel yourself against the bright young minds she's busy brainwashing - in, surprise surprise....Montana:

    https://montanajournalism.com/category/events/


    Sottile is a thoughtful reporter, dynamic storyteller and a savvy business woman with valuable insight to share with the J-School students she’s teaching and mentoring this fall and with the greater Montana journalism community. Her most well-known podcast, “Bundyville,” made in collaboration with Longreads and Oregon Public Broadcasting, is now reaching 3 million listeners.

    As Associate Professor Jule Banville told the Missoulian recently:

    “… She digs and understands how to get information. And she’s amazing at translating really complicated events and movements to all of us. She’s also fair and accurate and has a great voice.”
     

    If the events she's translating to students is antifa doesn't exist, and besides, they're so defiant and sexy! On the other hand, the alt Right is everywhere, so - watch thou for the boogaloo...!, then all print journalism will be dead by 2030. And rightly so.

    Need I even say it? Oh if only there were some semblance of truth to her Boogaloo Fantasies!; I'd vote for Biden tomorrow if I thought it would hasten the bloody reckoning. Instead, we have no choice but to re-elect Trump if only because his victory will infuriate these people into aneurysms - given that Devil's Island is not an option, an aneurysm beats a blank.

    Besides, since the Permanent Underclass these people have been riding to fame and fortune for decades no longer have an 'off' switch, a Biden victory will mean nothing and certainly won't stop the blue-state intifada, so the idea that just hold your nose for four years - at least the riots will stop is no longer in play. All a Biden victory will accomplish is doubling the white tax burden while ensuring that the parasite class will get still more Free Shit - perhaps they'll raise the Allowable Shoplifting limit to $2000!

    As for the Mostly Peacefuls, America is about to learn the terrible truth about the dire cost of letting violent felons completely off the hook for their murders, assaults, looting, arson & property damage......decent people must now walk the streets, and share their nation, with creatures who'd require two or three evolutionary leaps to rise to the status of "subhumans"; how'd you like those odds without a Second Amendment to protect yourself from the kind of ANC Land Reform murder sprees they're already loudly hinting at? (We already knew the cops weren't going to protect us three and four years ago, from Berkeley and Charlottesville, so that's not exactly the death blow Fox News wants you to think it is.)

    It's when you realize that the most pressing reason to re-elect Trump isn't to prevent Orwell's Oceania from taking place - it's to prevent Mugabe's Zimbabwe from spreading to this hemisphere - that you realize the utter uselessness of 'respectable' journalism. The clear and present danger of a Leah Sottile isn't in her demented reimagining of objective reality - it's in the thoughtful reporting and dynamic storytelling that her baby antifa "j-students" will be carrying out into the world after she's done inspiring them. Particularly the dynamic storytelling.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps

    On the one hand, I think: does anyone still read, or believe, the NYT or WaPo or any of the thousand-and-one ventriloquist dummies seated on the lap of Leviathan?

    Funny how the identity ideology cultists of the left, having imbibed from the poisonous well of post-structuralism/deconstruction, Foucalt, Derrida, et al, in their headlong rush to de-legitimize the cultural and political foundations of America and the West, never stopped to consider that the same reasoning could be applied to them. The increasingly shrill cries of “systemic racism”, “white supremacy”, and “white nationalism” “Emmit Till” and “redlining” just highlight how they are hollow words of propaganda spouted by a narrow faction in control of information dissemination. They don’t stop the think about why they are losing mass appeal, and more and more people view them with ever increasing skepticism. It seems that they just want to exercise raw power, and become the oppressors over their enemies, as the deconstructionists would have preferred it. In the end, they just want to be Conan the Barbarian.

  238. @JimB
    In majority minority America, the weak shall suffer. The depravity of many blacks knows no bottom.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/black-lives-matter-supporters-run-brutally-beat-raccoon-death-claim-white-people-worry-animals-video/

    Replies: @Daniel H, @sayless, @Anonymous, @throtler

    Does anyone know why you can’t read the comments or leave a comment at The Gateway Pundit anymore? Also off- topic: I am getting sick of reading “you are commenting too quickly. Slow down.” I didn’t even use up my allotment agree/disagree and this is the only comment I have made on this article. YOU need to fix these damn things!

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @throtler

    Commenting too quickly usually means you (presumably inadvertently) hit “publish comment” or “agree” or whatever twice.

  239. @Steve Sailer
    @Jane Plain

    In general, the English-speaking peoples got a lot nicer over the course of the 19th Century. The Victorian Era really was an age of moral progress.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Gordo, @Jane Plain

    In general, the English-speaking peoples got a lot nicer over the course of the 19th Century. The Victorian Era really was an age of moral progress.

    Totally yes, and if we’d have managed to keep the borders up we would be living in a paradise by now.

  240. @anonymous
    Steve is surely right that Oregon's embrace of WWT earlier this decade has played a role in its Antifa uprising.

    But I think an even bigger factor has been the mass embrace of vegetarianism/veganism over a decade ago. This was greatly helped along by policies of the Obama administration. You now have a whole generation of young people who suffered from going through puberty with plant based diet induced malnutrition that really messed with their sex hormones and serotonin systems.

    Of course it bears repeating that Antifa is referred to, even by lefties, as Vegan ISIS.

    Also the characteristic extreme narcissistic personality disorders common among transsexuals are also a seen in vegans as well.

    There are numerous Youtube channels devoted to chronicling the distinct narcissistic personality disorders common among vegans.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/sv3rige/videos

    Ok this above one time ex-vegan Latvian is now the web's leading supporter of raw meat carnivore-ism, but lots of doctors are also now talking about the link between veganism/vegetarianism and mental health issues.

    Veganism causes Mental Illness | Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJZ7O7q83CY

    Last , wouldn't you just know Oregan is one of the most vegan/vegetarian states.
    https://towardsdatascience.com/which-states-are-the-most-vegan-and-which-states-arent-but-really-want-to-be-5ff619a87f4b

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Captain Tripps, @stillCARealist, @Ben tillman

    Remember, most vegans “cheat” on a regular basis, just like the keto and paleo people.

    Vegetarians actually have enough choices on their menus that cheating is less of a temptation. An old friend is a veggie who only avoids flesh: So dairy, eggs, and broth are fine.

  241. @ATBOTL
    Antifa has strong connections to the National Lawyers Guild, a Jewish communist group. McCarthy got shut down when he insisted that no one who had been a member of that group be allowed to work for the US government, an entirely correct position.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  242. @El Dato
    @Tono Bungay


    women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred
     
    Local women should step up to the plate when menfolk are about to drop pants and get slaughtered by muscular hordes. This has been known since Vinland.

    https://i.postimg.cc/RVbDz0Kq/Thorfin-in-Vinland-Jos-Bielsa-Jacques-Bastian.jpg

    “It’s possible to acknowledge the rampant, persistent sexism of the far right while also giving women the credit they deserve. … We risk stripping them of responsibility when we suggest that the harm they do is merely a way of coping with their own oppression.”
     
    A measurement principle never to be applied to you know who.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Beautifully drawn comic! The bare-breasted viking woman who scared off the Indians–“Skraelings”–was Freydís Eiríksdóttir. The story is told in the sagas.

  243. @Steve Sailer
    @Jane Plain

    In general, the English-speaking peoples got a lot nicer over the course of the 19th Century. The Victorian Era really was an age of moral progress.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Gordo, @Jane Plain

    Absolutely. Also: two eras with two different names, the Victorian Era, and the Gilded Age, were co-terminous. Food for thought.

    But the point remains, what’s so genetic about all this?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jane Plain


    But the point remains, what’s so genetic about all this?
     
    For an answer to that, see the following, both written for the general reader:

    R. Plomin, Blueprint, The MIT Press.
    C. Murray, Human Diversity

    To really appreciate what that means in practice, you'd have to go to a society that regards dogs, for instance, as scavenging vermin.
  244. @J.Ross
    @Jane Plain

    The salient thing is the fact that the society existed at all, and was accepted by top people as a serious thing. Organizations overshadow their ostensible bugbear all the time, it's the norm in advocacy organizing. Was there a Chinese or Somali or Aztec RSPCA? The idea is comical.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    I agree with that. What I’m saying is it has nothing to do with genes.

  245. @Svigor
    @Mario Partisan


    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.
     
    This is just so dumb and boomer. It arises from a desperate need to suck up to the jevvish power structure that has spent generations bombarding teevidiots with the notion that fascism=bad communism=nonexistent leftism=good.

    Street violence was a commie/anarchist/leftist thing long before it became a fascist thing. In fact, fascism, and the concomitant fascist street violence, only arose in response to communism/anarchism and commie/anarchist/leftist street violence.

    The color they wear literally doesn't matter, except as a compliment to the trad fascist sense of aesthetics, jealousy of same, and an attempt to "in before" said fascist aesthetic; red and black are just good colors.

    The Bolsheviks got tons of support from corporate America and the American establishment. We can debate whether merging the power of the state and the corporations is "true" leftism, but I think it's safe to say that homo/tranny/jevv/black/degenerate/etc. horseshit is the defining characteristic of leftism today, and the regime/antifa have it all in spades. None of that shit is remotely fascist. On the contrary, real fascism is anti-homo, anti-tranny, anti-jevv, anti-black, and anti-degenerate. Actual fascists want to see the current Wiemerican regime destroyed.

    It's also amusing that you imply that FBI working hand-in-glove with antifa is somehow "fascist." The FBI is tantamount to the NKVD now, but somehow that is "facist?" It's just silly.

    Almost everything in your comment was wrong, EXCEPT insofar as it shows how stupid and wrongheaded mainstream boomercons/GOPers are. All you lot do is fight your natural allies (fascists) on behalf of your sworn enemies. You don't see the left doing this stupid shit.

    Nationalism is the defining characteristic of fascism, and "antifa" and the Wiemerican regime are virulently anti-nationalist.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan, @JimDandy

    Ok, how about… Proud Boys are Nazis.

    And… go!

  246. @Peter D. Bredon
    @Jane Plain

    For the same reason only White countries worked to END slavery. Not that any bleks thank us for it, the ingrates.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Svigor

    Nope.

    Only one white country: Britain (and its offshoot in the US colonies). AND, half of the colonies that rebelled then decided slavery was AOK. So I don’t get how any of this is genetic. It’s all economic.

  247. @Robert Dolan
    @Roderick Spode

    You don't know what you're talking about.

    Antifa have Twitter and FB accounts and they have serious funding.

    They are supported by the ADL/ DNC/FBI/SPLC, etc.

    James O'Keefe revealed their organized training sessions.

    They are communist filth.

    You are no more convincing than Jerry Nadler.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode

    These Antifa types tend to come from my generation, which I’m guessing is not yours.

    Here’s how you join Antifa:

    1. Put on a mask

    2. Participate in an anarchist protest/riot

    3. That’s it. You did it! You’re Antifa now.

    They’re a bunch of sad losers and wimps, not exactly Leon Czolgosz material.

  248. @anon
    @anonymous


    There is no hint of white nationalism in California. And, white nationalism is definitely not surging to any significant presence in the US. The rest of the country is 40 years away from California.
     
    The question is, is the rest of the country 40 years BEHIND California or 40 years AHEAD?

    Replies: @anonymous

    How could the other states be 40 years ahead?

  249. @Peter D. Bredon
    @botazefa

    Oh come on, as Joe Biden would say. It doesn't make you less of a man to admit not everyone in some category is exactly the same. The trannies I knew in NYC in the late 90s undoubted voted Hillary for Senate, and probably President (I was long gone), but I doubt they would be joining antifa today. The change is real, and needs to be explained (tho it's not the most important issue in the world, of course). The Left doesn't just take up the disaffected, it CHANGES them into violent activists. Maybe that's why the Left seems to always win, hmmmm?

    Replies: @botazefa

    All I said was that trannies aren’t introverts.

  250. @Buffalo Joe
    @Almost Missouri

    Missouri, I respect your opinion and I think your reply is well thought out, but Thomas states this as a fact. Pretty serious accusation worthy of an investigation. But we are good and who would claim to be an Ironworker? I was always a Gynecologist in my bar hopping days.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I think you might be able to earn more as an iron worker than as a gyno these days Joe.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @JMcG

    JMcG, I saw a tee shirt that said: "I'm not a Gynecologist, but I'll take a peek"

  251. @Not Only Wrathful
    Imagine two pieces of advice to an obviously distressed person:

    1. You're fine, you are you and you can relax, you just need to accept things.

    2. You're not fine, but you will be, after you are genitally mutilated, chemically castrated and the whole of society is torn down in order to distract you from your pain.

    I wonder which one will help people more 🤔

    Replies: @bruce county, @Exador

    And don’t forget, “Once you’ve changed, this whole community will love you and tell you how BRAVE and GOOD you are.” People like to belong. Lonely, ill people even more so.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  252. @anonymous
    Steve is surely right that Oregon's embrace of WWT earlier this decade has played a role in its Antifa uprising.

    But I think an even bigger factor has been the mass embrace of vegetarianism/veganism over a decade ago. This was greatly helped along by policies of the Obama administration. You now have a whole generation of young people who suffered from going through puberty with plant based diet induced malnutrition that really messed with their sex hormones and serotonin systems.

    Of course it bears repeating that Antifa is referred to, even by lefties, as Vegan ISIS.

    Also the characteristic extreme narcissistic personality disorders common among transsexuals are also a seen in vegans as well.

    There are numerous Youtube channels devoted to chronicling the distinct narcissistic personality disorders common among vegans.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/sv3rige/videos

    Ok this above one time ex-vegan Latvian is now the web's leading supporter of raw meat carnivore-ism, but lots of doctors are also now talking about the link between veganism/vegetarianism and mental health issues.

    Veganism causes Mental Illness | Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJZ7O7q83CY

    Last , wouldn't you just know Oregan is one of the most vegan/vegetarian states.
    https://towardsdatascience.com/which-states-are-the-most-vegan-and-which-states-arent-but-really-want-to-be-5ff619a87f4b

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Captain Tripps, @stillCARealist, @Ben tillman

    Causation or correlation?

  253. @Tono Bungay
    The "Sisters in Hate" review is worth reading, if only as a shining example of a morbid Jewish opinion of white people. Here's the beginning: "As many white Americans struggle to better understand Black lives, it is crucial to understand the people who don’t think those lives matter — the white nationalists whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. The term “neo-Nazi” is euphemistic: There’s nothing neo about people who brandish the swastikas that are banned in today’s Germany. We know that at least 47 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2016, and that it was more often the daughters than the sons of the Confederacy who organized to build those monuments to Confederate heroes. Still, it’s hard to wrap our heads around the idea that women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Pop Warner, @Elmer T. Jones, @El Dato, @Colin Wright, @Lurker, @James O'Meara, @James O'Meara, @Beavertales

    “women, traditionally expected to be gentle and nurturing, could be driving engines of white supremacist hatred.”

    Meddling with politics would be so much easier if women and evangelicals would vote the way they’re urged to by the legacy news media. These two blocs were supposed to be the most reliable to manipulate in elections, yet they voted for Trump in 2016.

    The editorialists are doubling down on the same strategy in 2020, hoping to bring women and evangelicals back to being their mindless b!tches every four years.

  254. @Elmer T. Jones
    @Tono Bungay

    "Still,..."

    Female writing. Fingernails on chalkboard. One can almost feel the testicles shrinking as you read it. "wrapping our heads" is a bit of a conceit as well.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Human heads are made of Saran Wrap. Didn’t you know that?

  255. @BB753
    Tranny riots. They're mean, they're big, they're aggressive and they're angry! Don't be fooled by the high heels!

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @BB753

    OK, but what exactly is Tabitha Poppins angry about?

  256. @Buffalo Joe
    @JR Ewing

    JR, one of our favorite trips was to fly to San Francisco, stay a few days, drive up to Seattle stay a few days and fly home. Two of America's best tourist destinations turned to trash. Dogs in SF have to watch they don't step in human shit. This is sad.

    Replies: @Marty, @JR Ewing, @Reg Cæsar

    Two of America’s best tourist destinations turned to trash. Dogs in SF have to watch they don’t step in human shit.

    Kamala didn’t care. Brahmins don’t walk the same streets as untouchables.

    Senator drops F-bombs as he struggles to unmute in Post Office hearing

    Delaware’s senators are Carper and Coons. How appropriate! Coons occupies Biden’s old seat; how long before his name is canceled?

    One of them could have been Joe’s pick. Did you know that the presidential and vice presidential candidates are actually allowed to come from the same state? The Constitution stipulates only that electors cannot vote for two candidates from their own state. That would apply only to Delaware’s three. All the others could vote for Biden/Carper or Biden/Coons, or Biden/Thorogood for that matter.

    Delaware thrust into unlikely starring role in 2020 campaign

    Nancy Pelosi wouldn’t become Vice President upon Joe’s premature departure… unless Kamala herself picked her, which she would be perfectly free to do:

    Fact check: If the vice president becomes president, House speaker doesn’t become new VP

    The widow of Rep. “Jack-Booted Thugs” gives us a ray of optimism:

    Rep. Debbie Dingell warns Democrats that voter concerns over violence could be more important than trade this election year

  257. @J.Ross
    @Colin Wright

    Apparently "Sottile" is Sicilian. But you don't have to be a slice of Levy's Rye to be a cog in the globohomo project, and if she was merely Jewish (and not also a passive aggressive genocide advocate) no reasonable person would have a problem with her.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Where’s Reg?

    Leah Sottile =

    Eat e-shit! LOL!

  258. @throtler
    @JimB

    Does anyone know why you can't read the comments or leave a comment at The Gateway Pundit anymore? Also off- topic: I am getting sick of reading "you are commenting too quickly. Slow down." I didn't even use up my allotment agree/disagree and this is the only comment I have made on this article. YOU need to fix these damn things!

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Commenting too quickly usually means you (presumably inadvertently) hit “publish comment” or “agree” or whatever twice.

  259. @bruce county
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is still Squamish B.C. Its only 4,269 km (2,646) miles from Kitchener.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There is still Squamish B.C.

    Isn’t that Irish for “Jim”?

    I get squ(e)amish just thinking about First Nation genitalia. I’ll stick with the fry bread, thank you.

  260. @Anonymous
    Seems to me the average leftist women are demonstrably worse than any average fat girl at a kkk barbeque...

    https://youtu.be/bRnlWd_PpHc

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Seems to me the average leftist women are demonstrably worse than any average fat girl at a kkk barbeque…

    If you think those women’s behavior was wrong, per se, the younger, ruder alt-righters on this forum will condemn you as a “boomer” and a “cuck”.

    To them, the only problem with these Wilmington witches is that they’re on the wrong side.

  261. @JMcG
    @Buffalo Joe

    I think you might be able to earn more as an iron worker than as a gyno these days Joe.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    JMcG, I saw a tee shirt that said: “I’m not a Gynecologist, but I’ll take a peek”

  262. @Thomas
    @Buffalo Joe

    I've heard it recounted by family members of teenagers who got involved with Antifa. I'm located in Seattle and personally involved in some of the activities going on in this part of the country currently.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Buffalo Joe

    Thomas, thank you for the reply and in a court of law, that is hearsay, not fact. but we are good. Stay safe and alert in that crazy PNW.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Buffalo Joe


    Thomas, thank you for the reply and in a court of law, that is hearsay, not fact. but we are good.
     
    It's hearsay within hearsay (within hearsay, if you're going off my account), at that. And you can bet they've got it covered as some sort of Arabella Fund backed BLM "activism" that's disconnected from any knowledge of criminal activity in writing. But name the last riot you can remember that lasted 3 months.

    Stay safe and alert in that crazy PNW.
     
    Thank you. I'm good. I'm alongside boon companions and happy warriors of like mind up here. We have not been given a spirit of fear. Enjoy the weekend.
  263. @dfordoom
    @AKAHorace


    There may be some overlap in the personality types that antifa and fascists recruit from.
     
    I'd say that's pretty much a certainty. Mentally unstable people are drawn to any kind of extremism - they don't really care which kind.

    Antifa, fascism, the alt-right, pretty much all extremist political groupings are heavily driven by paranoia and resentment, so they will attract paranoid personality types and they will attract resentful losers. These movements also attract people who are losers in the sexual marketplace.

    It's likely that there are people who start as antifa and become alt-right, or start as alt-right and become antifa.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    YES. My husband and I discuss this a lot. Antifa trannies would have been donning brown shirts in another era. They would have been hunting witches in the Early Modern period. Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily. Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.

    The best worldviews are somewhat in line with Tolkien’s.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @S. Anonyia

    You people need to give it a rest with the grug-brained cuckservative talking points and "logic."

    They're stupid. Antifa trannies would be, ostensibly, the same thing they are now: anarchists, leftists, communists, etc. In fact, if I recall correctly, the pioneering work on this disgusting shit was done by a leftist jevv homosexual in Weimar Germany, and one of the first things the Nazis did when they took power was shut him down and burn his "institute."

    My mistake, they "sacked" his "institute" and only burned his books:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

    Commies back in the early 20th had already latched onto degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace. Which makes sense, because homosexuals are in permanent revolution against healthy morality and decency. Fascists fought against these freaks.

    Here's a bit on the topic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_anarchism


    Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily.
     
    Wow, you mean the people who had been terrorized the most by the leftist violence saw most clearly the benefits offered by the Nazis, and were the most disillusioned by the weakness and failures of tradcons? And the aristos were all "let them eat cake" because rich and insulated?

    Say it ain't so. (I mean imagine acting like having the snob lobby on your side is a good thing, lol)


    Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.
     
    Ever notice cucks never criticize soldiers for being too "extreme" in conducting war? I guess that's okay.

    Take the bombing of Dresden; I don't think I've ever heard a cuckservative condemn that as "too extreme." No, only "extremists" like WNs would do something like condemn massive bombing campaigns against civilian population centers that took hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives...

    Same goes for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now that I think about it.

    Frankly, cuckservatives and moderates are useless against revolutionary judaism, leftism, communism, etc. In fact, they're just controlled opposition, losers kept around to take dives and convince the rubes the sport isn't rigged. They've presided over the annihilation of Western civilization. Look around you for the fruits of moderate, NPC type politics.

    This is all without having an argument over language that makes me "extreme" for wanting to end drag queen story hour for kids at the local library, and you "moderate" for wanting, well, something else I guess. Peace in our time, or whatever.

    Keep your fucking aristocrats, btw; I don't want 'em.

    , @Svigor
    @S. Anonyia

    [Now reformulated and with less cussing!]

    Please give the cuckservative talking points a rest.

    They don't make sense. Antifa trannies would be, ostensibly, the same thing they are now: anarchists, leftists, communists, etc. In fact, if I recall correctly, the pioneering work on these disgusting practices was done by a leftist jevv homosexual in Weimar Germany, and one of the first things the Nazis did when they took power was shut him down and burn his “institute.”

    My mistake, they “sacked” his “institute” and only burned his books:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

    Commies back in the early 20th had already latched onto degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace. Which makes sense, because homosexuals are in permanent revolution against healthy morality and decency. Fascists and right-wingers fought against them, in the streets. Like they would do happily today (and conservatives won't), if the state weren't preventing them.

    Here’s a bit on the topic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_anarchism


    Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily.
     
    Wow, you mean the people who had been terrorized the most by the leftist violence saw most clearly the benefits offered by the Nazis, and were the most disillusioned by the weakness and failures of tradcons? And the aristos were all “let them eat cake” because rich and insulated?

    Say it ain’t so. (Imagine thinking that having the snob lobby on your side is a good thing)


    Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.
     
    Ever notice cuckservatives never criticize soldiers for being too “extreme” in conducting war? I guess that’s okay.

    Take the bombing of Dresden; I don’t think I’ve ever heard a cuckservative condemn that as “too extreme.” No, only “extremists” like WNs would do something like condemn massive bombing campaigns against civilian population centers that took hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives…

    Same goes for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now that I think about it.

    Conservatives, cuckservatives and moderates, are useless against (((revolutionary leftism))), communism, etc. In fact, they’re just controlled opposition, losers kept around to take dives and convince the rubes the sport isn’t rigged. They’ve presided over the annihilation of Western civilization. Look around you for the fruits of moderate, NPC type politics.

    This is all without having an argument over language that makes me “extreme” for wanting to end drag queen story hour for kids at the local library, and you “moderate” for wanting, well, something else I guess; peace in our time, or whatever.

    Keep your aristocrats, I don’t want ’em.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  264. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jesse

    Johns Hopkins in Baltimore did a lot of tranny surgery starting in the 70s. Followups showed that these "guys" were no happier than before, and some much more unhappy, so they stopped.

    Replies: @anon, @Ancient Briton

    As noted by Dr. H. Lecter in Silence of the Lambs.

  265. On average people with gender dysphoria are no more likely to be left wing than they are right wing, since gender dysphoria isn’t related to the left side of the brain that determines personality and intellect. The makers of South Park had great fun with this issue when they had Caitlin Jenner and Mr Garrison running for election on the Republican ticket. However, your point about left-leaning cities attracting a disproportionate number of left-leaning people with developmental disorders (such as transgenderism) and mental health issues probably has merit. Big cities in general have a disproportionate percentage of people with far left views, and if certain types of left-leaning people are actively courted by left-wing local governments then they are going to turn up in disproportionate numbers.

  266. @Buffalo Joe
    @Thomas

    Thomas, thank you for the reply and in a court of law, that is hearsay, not fact. but we are good. Stay safe and alert in that crazy PNW.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Thomas, thank you for the reply and in a court of law, that is hearsay, not fact. but we are good.

    It’s hearsay within hearsay (within hearsay, if you’re going off my account), at that. And you can bet they’ve got it covered as some sort of Arabella Fund backed BLM “activism” that’s disconnected from any knowledge of criminal activity in writing. But name the last riot you can remember that lasted 3 months.

    Stay safe and alert in that crazy PNW.

    Thank you. I’m good. I’m alongside boon companions and happy warriors of like mind up here. We have not been given a spirit of fear. Enjoy the weekend.

  267. Actually, Chris Wray lied or doesn’t know his facts since Tim Mcveigh most of the terrorist acts are either foreign born or left wing environmental groups. In the late 1990’s until 2,005 most of the domestic terrorism was groups like Earth First which has ties to antifa. The left has lied about this. Lots of environmental nuts were arrested in 2,003 for such acts. Also, John Brown gun club member William Von Sporrsen almost blew up an ICe Facility. The John Brown club is the gun club of Antifa. Surely, Christ Wray knew about Von Sporsen and lied.

  268. @Jesse
    @Rob McX

    Bannon's a pure grifter. It's totally possible he's actually guilty.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Bannon is so wealthy that it’s ridiculous to believe he’d be involved in such small potatoes as this.

  269. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    In reality, Antifa have been rioting for 83 days straight in downtown Portland.

    Can someone please explain something?

    Just how big is the “riot zone” in Portland? Two or three square blocks? Fifty to one-hundred? I ask because it sounds like it’s confined to a relatively small part of Portland, but I am just not sure.

    I’m guessing I am not the only one who is both fascinated and appalled that any city in a Western country would allow rioting to continue for three months straight. It is simply insane.

    Frankly, I am baffled that there could be anything left after 20 days of rioting, let alone 80. Am I missing something?

  270. @Peter D. Bredon
    @Jane Plain

    For the same reason only White countries worked to END slavery. Not that any bleks thank us for it, the ingrates.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Svigor

    Well, if you really know blacks you know that slavery is a black thing, so being anti-slavery is kinda anti-black. So is being against cruelty to animals, now that I think about it.

    Yeah, it’s fair to say that lots of nice, moral, high-minded stuff actually is kinda anti-black.

  271. @Mario Partisan
    @Svigor



    Whatever one’s feelings on Fascism in its original Italian flavor, Antifa are objectively fascist. They are violent street thugs, covered in black, who are supported almost entirely by the corporate and political establishments, and in many documented instances, have worked actively with FBI to target dissidents.
     
    This is just so dumb and boomer. It arises from a desperate need to suck up to the jevvish power structure that has spent generations bombarding teevidiots with the notion that fascism=bad communism=nonexistent leftism=good.

     

    Ti faccio un consiglio: e meglio che conosci una persona prima di lanciare accusazioni o di fare assunzioni. D’acordo?

    First, I am not a boomer, rather a Gen X/Y cusper. Neither am I a GOPer. Neither do I confuse communism and fascism.

    Just so you know: somewhere in my family’s old photo albums there is a picture of my nonno as a teenager hanging out with the local Black Shirt club. He supported and admired Benito his entire life, but as the family says he wasn’t a Fascist “del cuore” but just of the stomach. His brothers on the other hand were proud and life-long PCI members and partigiani. So perhaps I have a basis for my understanding that you do not. As Trump might say, there were good people on both sides.

    As I have advised another here at UR before, it is not advisable to apply our contemporary understanding of terms to their adherents of past eras and foreign lands. You are right that Americans have a horrible understanding of history and political ideologies. Even those somewhat better informed still project their own antipathies and sympathies onto the movements of same name from yesteryear with little interest in understanding the complexities that were actually involved.

    Do you know that Mussolini had been a leading member of the PSI, but was expelled for supporting Italy’s entry into WWI, which sent 600,000+ Italians to their deaths leaving behind legions of orphans? Do you know that the PSI was the only major Second International party to oppose WWI, while all of the others in France, Germany, Britain, etc. backed the slaughter of their own working classes? Do you know that the hardship of the post-WWI period in Italy led to class antagonisms that the liberal elite of Italy were powerless to stop and that the King of Italy handed total power to Mussolini to protect the interests of the propertied classes, while using Civic Nationalism as a substitute for class identity? Do you know that Mussolini, whatever his own vision was, was constrained by the fact that he was being used by the monarchy, aristocracy and bourgeoisie to throttle the working class?

    Yes, the pseudo-left of today, i.e. Antifa, DNC, Soros and Bezos, etc., love all of the degenerate cultural crap that is being shoved on the people, but they love it because identity politics is a substitute for class politics just as Mussolini’s so-called nationalism was. In their own ways, they are parallels in that they serve to wed the working classes to their respective elites. The difference is that the Italian elite of yesteryear was actually Italian, so nationalism was in its interest, while the elite of America is part of a transnational oligarchy and so sees anti-nationalism as in its interest.

    Similarly, if you asked Antifa, they would say that their actions are in response to the rise of the Alt-Right and populism. You can quibble about violence (I agree the Alt-Right is not the violent one), but that fits with my parallel: the Black Shirts were a thuggish response to a populist rising among Italian workers in the early 1920s. Like I said, the Fascists did have working class supporters, but mainly by borrowing the minimum from the Left’s program as a cooptation mechanism.

    Finally, just to highlight that the world doesn’t always fit into a nice shoe box. Mussolini, the nationalist, turned his country into an occupied land, first by Germans then by Anglo-Americans. Meanwhile, my dad’s commie uncles took rifle shots at German soldiers - but not their brother - to defend their own homeland. Who were the real nationalists? I can’t be sure, but I’m positive that if they had gotten their way, Italy would have been on the other side of the Iron curtain and not dealing with this degenerate cultural crap like they are today, like the rest of Eastern Europe isn't. Of course, they would have dealt with other crap.

    Finally (take 2), do you think it is wise to amplify the Anti-fascist label of Antifa with normies just to try to improve the image of your fascist label? Maybe you want to use their own meme against them and get as many liberal leaning normies to hate these scum as much as possible.

    I'm on your side...I think.

    Replies: @Svigor

    First, I am not a boomer, rather a Gen X/Y cusper. Neither am I a GOPer. Neither do I confuse communism and fascism.

    Okay. So, maybe drop the dumb boomer talking points?

    Your family’s political bona fides and the Italian history lesson are interesting, but they don’t address my points, or make it any less wrong to call antifa “fascist.”

    Finally (take 2), do you think it is wise to amplify the Anti-fascist label of Antifa with normies just to try to improve the image of your fascist label? Maybe you want to use their own meme against them and get as many liberal leaning normies to hate these scum as much as possible.

    It isn’t my fascist label, as I am not a fascist (except when I feel like saying I am, even though I’m not.). Though I am closer than I used to be. Basically I’m an agnostic WN, as I would take any pro-White system over what we have now (to include fascism).

    “Using their own meme against them” (democrats are the real racists, antifa are the real fascists) is in this case just rightists with their heads up their asses. This kind of rhetoric is by rightists, for rightists, and has no effect on leftists (call a leftist a racist or a fascist and you’ve bent knee to his religion; now all he has to do is show himself to be higher in its hierarchy, following it with greater zeal, than you are). And among rightists, all it does is reinforce the slave morality of faux-dissident rightism, of GOPe cuckservatism.

    It’s surrendering the moral field to the enemy, using his labels, accepting his moral framework. We need to provide our own framework, not strive to be better at living up to his framework than he is.

    I suppose it does have some narrow uses to get brain-dead rightists thinking (e.g., about leftist hypocrisy), but we should avoid trying to be too sly or cute about this stuff. TBH the vast majority of rightists with enough brains to be recruited to the real dissident right already know this crap because it’s already broadly-disseminated GOPe cuckservative boilerplate. And, frankly, has become maladaptive (used against actual dissident rightists far more than against leftists).

    As for normies? I wouldn’t know. They’re so far from my mode of thinking that I don’t really know how to recruit them anymore.

    I’m on your side…I think.

    Far more so than not, I’d think.

  272. @James O'Meara
    @Tono Bungay

    "whose support Donald Trump is ever more openly seeking to win a continuation of his presidency. "

    Classic example of the turgid prose produced by people trying to make tautologies like "Trump supports want him to win" into statement of Lovecraftian foreboding.

    Replies: @Svigor

    To be fair, they’re right that Trump dials up his proto-WN rhetoric and trolling as his next election approaches. He did it in 2016, and he’s been doing it lately as his poll numbers sink lower and lower.

    And to be fairer, WN commentators like Mike Enoch have predicted all along that he’d do exactly that.

    Unfortunately, it’s total bullshit. Trump’s an empty suit, and he doesn’t care about Whites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Svigor

    Unfortunately, it’s total bullshit. Trump’s an empty suit, and he doesn’t care about Whites.

     

    Sadly for the whites who placed their faith in him in 2016, no, he does not. I never cease to be amazed how many Americans are still inventing excuses four years later as to why he did not really sell them out when, quite clearly, he has: his record speaks for itself.

    Do you plan to vote for a third-party candidate in lieu of Trump? Or have you given up on the entire sordid spectacle?

    (Which, I am sorry to say, is very much the goal: both main parties are deliberately hoping to make even the idea of politics so repugnant to ordinary people that even the idea of voting become abhorrent to most Americans. Once that feeling has taken hold of the electorate, the two major parties may then do as they like.)

    I ask because, if there is a third-party alternative for the American right wing, I have yet to hear about him. Even though I know it plays straight into the hands of the political class, I cannot blame Americans for wanting to stay home this time around.

    Replies: @Svigor

  273. @S. Anonyia
    @dfordoom

    YES. My husband and I discuss this a lot. Antifa trannies would have been donning brown shirts in another era. They would have been hunting witches in the Early Modern period. Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily. Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.

    The best worldviews are somewhat in line with Tolkien’s.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Svigor

    You people need to give it a rest with the grug-brained cuckservative talking points and “logic.”

    They’re stupid. Antifa trannies would be, ostensibly, the same thing they are now: anarchists, leftists, communists, etc. In fact, if I recall correctly, the pioneering work on this disgusting shit was done by a leftist jevv homosexual in Weimar Germany, and one of the first things the Nazis did when they took power was shut him down and burn his “institute.”

    My mistake, they “sacked” his “institute” and only burned his books:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

    Commies back in the early 20th had already latched onto degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace. Which makes sense, because homosexuals are in permanent revolution against healthy morality and decency. Fascists fought against these freaks.

    Here’s a bit on the topic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_anarchism

    Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily.

    Wow, you mean the people who had been terrorized the most by the leftist violence saw most clearly the benefits offered by the Nazis, and were the most disillusioned by the weakness and failures of tradcons? And the aristos were all “let them eat cake” because rich and insulated?

    Say it ain’t so. (I mean imagine acting like having the snob lobby on your side is a good thing, lol)

    Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.

    Ever notice cucks never criticize soldiers for being too “extreme” in conducting war? I guess that’s okay.

    Take the bombing of Dresden; I don’t think I’ve ever heard a cuckservative condemn that as “too extreme.” No, only “extremists” like WNs would do something like condemn massive bombing campaigns against civilian population centers that took hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives…

    Same goes for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now that I think about it.

    Frankly, cuckservatives and moderates are useless against revolutionary judaism, leftism, communism, etc. In fact, they’re just controlled opposition, losers kept around to take dives and convince the rubes the sport isn’t rigged. They’ve presided over the annihilation of Western civilization. Look around you for the fruits of moderate, NPC type politics.

    This is all without having an argument over language that makes me “extreme” for wanting to end drag queen story hour for kids at the local library, and you “moderate” for wanting, well, something else I guess. Peace in our time, or whatever.

    Keep your fucking aristocrats, btw; I don’t want ’em.

  274. @Anonymous
    @Dieter Kief

    Dieter, the US is a formerly civilized country and people being ruled by barbarians. The barbarians are the big city political leaders, descendants of the big city political machines of the 1900s. The leaders back then were second generation immigrants (or outcasts from the pre-1840 population) who believed in nothing but themselves, their leader, and money. They outmaneuvered their opponents (corporations, labor unions, the Solid South) after WW II, and have dominated since the 1960s revolution. See Copley's _Uncivilization_ for another perspective on the same phenomenon.

    I've seen the transition from an actual society to what we have now -- and here's what happened to your description of the civilized life:


    There are norms and customs and traditions etc. – and they do play a – reasonable – part in leading a good life and should thus be respected,
     
    The descendants of the Big City Political Machines lead still believe in nothing except themselves, their organization, and money (see: postmodernism). The norms, customs, and traditions they see as something to take advantage of. If it is the norm to spank children, well, that's a handle to disorganize the opposition and get a bit more money by making families into Hell and pushing now unmarriageable women into the workplace where they generate taxes, and to make divorced men who don't have anything left to defend and so don't oppose your organization.

    even if we – for some moments – might think that we, as the indescribably precious and individual snowflakes, would represent individually and by the pure will of ourselves all that matters simply via our bodies = our naturally fragile and ultimately rich super-important selves.
     
    That's the goal -- isolate and dominate. It's not portrayed in contemporary societies as a temptation to ignore the common good, it's described as the common good so long as it follows the party line.

    Dieter, you're sounding like the rabbit in Watership Down
    https://youtu.be/5PdwxamslN0?t=1685

    You might want to watch that entire sequence. You are living with people who feed you and set snares -- and, as in "Watership Down", you feed them. Abstractions and concern for others can be good things, but they aren't the only thing.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Thanks, but unfortunately, I can’t play the scene here in Germany.

    But I thought often of Forest Gump recently. Maybe “sleepy Joe” did that to me?

  275. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jane Plain
    @Steve Sailer

    Absolutely. Also: two eras with two different names, the Victorian Era, and the Gilded Age, were co-terminous. Food for thought.

    But the point remains, what's so genetic about all this?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    But the point remains, what’s so genetic about all this?

    For an answer to that, see the following, both written for the general reader:

    R. Plomin, Blueprint, The MIT Press.
    C. Murray, Human Diversity

    To really appreciate what that means in practice, you’d have to go to a society that regards dogs, for instance, as scavenging vermin.

  276. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor
    @James O'Meara

    To be fair, they're right that Trump dials up his proto-WN rhetoric and trolling as his next election approaches. He did it in 2016, and he's been doing it lately as his poll numbers sink lower and lower.

    And to be fairer, WN commentators like Mike Enoch have predicted all along that he'd do exactly that.

    Unfortunately, it's total bullshit. Trump's an empty suit, and he doesn't care about Whites.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Unfortunately, it’s total bullshit. Trump’s an empty suit, and he doesn’t care about Whites.

    Sadly for the whites who placed their faith in him in 2016, no, he does not. I never cease to be amazed how many Americans are still inventing excuses four years later as to why he did not really sell them out when, quite clearly, he has: his record speaks for itself.

    Do you plan to vote for a third-party candidate in lieu of Trump? Or have you given up on the entire sordid spectacle?

    (Which, I am sorry to say, is very much the goal: both main parties are deliberately hoping to make even the idea of politics so repugnant to ordinary people that even the idea of voting become abhorrent to most Americans. Once that feeling has taken hold of the electorate, the two major parties may then do as they like.)

    I ask because, if there is a third-party alternative for the American right wing, I have yet to hear about him. Even though I know it plays straight into the hands of the political class, I cannot blame Americans for wanting to stay home this time around.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Anonymous

    I currently have no plans to vote, and know of no one to vote for, but I haven't thought much about it yet.

  277. @S. Anonyia
    @dfordoom

    YES. My husband and I discuss this a lot. Antifa trannies would have been donning brown shirts in another era. They would have been hunting witches in the Early Modern period. Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily. Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.

    The best worldviews are somewhat in line with Tolkien’s.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Svigor

    [Now reformulated and with less cussing!]

    Please give the cuckservative talking points a rest.

    They don’t make sense. Antifa trannies would be, ostensibly, the same thing they are now: anarchists, leftists, communists, etc. In fact, if I recall correctly, the pioneering work on these disgusting practices was done by a leftist jevv homosexual in Weimar Germany, and one of the first things the Nazis did when they took power was shut him down and burn his “institute.”

    My mistake, they “sacked” his “institute” and only burned his books:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

    Commies back in the early 20th had already latched onto degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace. Which makes sense, because homosexuals are in permanent revolution against healthy morality and decency. Fascists and right-wingers fought against them, in the streets. Like they would do happily today (and conservatives won’t), if the state weren’t preventing them.

    Here’s a bit on the topic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_anarchism

    Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily.

    Wow, you mean the people who had been terrorized the most by the leftist violence saw most clearly the benefits offered by the Nazis, and were the most disillusioned by the weakness and failures of tradcons? And the aristos were all “let them eat cake” because rich and insulated?

    Say it ain’t so. (Imagine thinking that having the snob lobby on your side is a good thing)

    Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.

    Ever notice cuckservatives never criticize soldiers for being too “extreme” in conducting war? I guess that’s okay.

    Take the bombing of Dresden; I don’t think I’ve ever heard a cuckservative condemn that as “too extreme.” No, only “extremists” like WNs would do something like condemn massive bombing campaigns against civilian population centers that took hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives…

    Same goes for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now that I think about it.

    Conservatives, cuckservatives and moderates, are useless against (((revolutionary leftism))), communism, etc. In fact, they’re just controlled opposition, losers kept around to take dives and convince the rubes the sport isn’t rigged. They’ve presided over the annihilation of Western civilization. Look around you for the fruits of moderate, NPC type politics.

    This is all without having an argument over language that makes me “extreme” for wanting to end drag queen story hour for kids at the local library, and you “moderate” for wanting, well, something else I guess; peace in our time, or whatever.

    Keep your aristocrats, I don’t want ’em.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Svigor


    Commies back in the early 20th had already latched onto degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace.
     
    It's actually Woke Capital that is using degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace.

    Remember, what idiot right-wingers call cultural marxism is actually cultural capitalism.

    Capitalists love degenerates and homosexuals. They're good consumers. They help the corporate bottom line. And they undermine the family which as far as capitalists are concerned is a good thing - families don't help the corporate bottom line and families encourage the wicked idea that there is more to life than spending.

    Capitalism has over the past couple of centuries done a lot more damage to the foundations of society than the communists ever did.

    You cannot be a social conservative and support capitalism. Like most right-wingers you're worrying about the wrong enemy.
  278. @Anonymous
    @Svigor

    Unfortunately, it’s total bullshit. Trump’s an empty suit, and he doesn’t care about Whites.

     

    Sadly for the whites who placed their faith in him in 2016, no, he does not. I never cease to be amazed how many Americans are still inventing excuses four years later as to why he did not really sell them out when, quite clearly, he has: his record speaks for itself.

    Do you plan to vote for a third-party candidate in lieu of Trump? Or have you given up on the entire sordid spectacle?

    (Which, I am sorry to say, is very much the goal: both main parties are deliberately hoping to make even the idea of politics so repugnant to ordinary people that even the idea of voting become abhorrent to most Americans. Once that feeling has taken hold of the electorate, the two major parties may then do as they like.)

    I ask because, if there is a third-party alternative for the American right wing, I have yet to hear about him. Even though I know it plays straight into the hands of the political class, I cannot blame Americans for wanting to stay home this time around.

    Replies: @Svigor

    I currently have no plans to vote, and know of no one to vote for, but I haven’t thought much about it yet.

  279. @Svigor
    @S. Anonyia

    [Now reformulated and with less cussing!]

    Please give the cuckservative talking points a rest.

    They don't make sense. Antifa trannies would be, ostensibly, the same thing they are now: anarchists, leftists, communists, etc. In fact, if I recall correctly, the pioneering work on these disgusting practices was done by a leftist jevv homosexual in Weimar Germany, and one of the first things the Nazis did when they took power was shut him down and burn his “institute.”

    My mistake, they “sacked” his “institute” and only burned his books:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

    Commies back in the early 20th had already latched onto degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace. Which makes sense, because homosexuals are in permanent revolution against healthy morality and decency. Fascists and right-wingers fought against them, in the streets. Like they would do happily today (and conservatives won't), if the state weren't preventing them.

    Here’s a bit on the topic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_anarchism


    Always important to note that the areas which were most lukewarm towards Hitler were the traditionally more aristocratic and Catholic regions. The formerly socialist areas flipped pretty easily.
     
    Wow, you mean the people who had been terrorized the most by the leftist violence saw most clearly the benefits offered by the Nazis, and were the most disillusioned by the weakness and failures of tradcons? And the aristos were all “let them eat cake” because rich and insulated?

    Say it ain’t so. (Imagine thinking that having the snob lobby on your side is a good thing)


    Extremists of all types are insufferable drudges, and are usually motivated by resentment of successful, attractive people.
     
    Ever notice cuckservatives never criticize soldiers for being too “extreme” in conducting war? I guess that’s okay.

    Take the bombing of Dresden; I don’t think I’ve ever heard a cuckservative condemn that as “too extreme.” No, only “extremists” like WNs would do something like condemn massive bombing campaigns against civilian population centers that took hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives…

    Same goes for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now that I think about it.

    Conservatives, cuckservatives and moderates, are useless against (((revolutionary leftism))), communism, etc. In fact, they’re just controlled opposition, losers kept around to take dives and convince the rubes the sport isn’t rigged. They’ve presided over the annihilation of Western civilization. Look around you for the fruits of moderate, NPC type politics.

    This is all without having an argument over language that makes me “extreme” for wanting to end drag queen story hour for kids at the local library, and you “moderate” for wanting, well, something else I guess; peace in our time, or whatever.

    Keep your aristocrats, I don’t want ’em.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Commies back in the early 20th had already latched onto degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace.

    It’s actually Woke Capital that is using degenerates and homosexuals as their literal shock troops against the populace.

    Remember, what idiot right-wingers call cultural marxism is actually cultural capitalism.

    Capitalists love degenerates and homosexuals. They’re good consumers. They help the corporate bottom line. And they undermine the family which as far as capitalists are concerned is a good thing – families don’t help the corporate bottom line and families encourage the wicked idea that there is more to life than spending.

    Capitalism has over the past couple of centuries done a lot more damage to the foundations of society than the communists ever did.

    You cannot be a social conservative and support capitalism. Like most right-wingers you’re worrying about the wrong enemy.

  280. “Antifa” is just a handful of teenagers playing dress-up. You lot look desperate and pathetic trying to gin up so much fear about absolutely nothing.

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