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From Vanity Fair:

Hilaria Baldwin’s Very Public Journey to Declaring “Yes I Am a White Girl”

After a long-simmering Twitter controversy about the authenticity of her Spanish accent, the yoga instructor issued a lengthy statement. Her husband Alec Baldwin also came to her defense on social media.
BY EMILY KIRKPATRICK

DECEMBER 28, 2020

Hilaria Baldwin addressed some lingering questions over her name, accent, and professed Spanish heritage over the weekend after a Twitter user sparked an online investigation last week, writing, “You have to admire Hilaria Baldwin’s commitment to her decade long grift where she impersonates a Spanish person.”

In a 2018 cover interview, the yoga instructor told Hola! magazine that she was born in Spain and “has made certain to raise her children with her native language, Spanish.” Her biography on her agency’s website also claims, “Baldwin was born in Mallorca, Spain and raised in Boston, Massachusetts.” She also regularly speaks with a Spanish accent and during a cooking segment on the Today show seemed to forget the English word for cucumber.

However, in response to the viral tweet calling her Spanish ancestry into question, a number of people claiming to be Hilaria’s former high school classmates came forward to clarify that her name is, in fact, Hillary Hayword-Thomas, she grew up in Massachusetts, and while she’s a very nice girl, she is not Spanish. … Both her parents, Dr. Kathryn Hayword and David Thomas, do currently reside in Mallorca after moving there in 2011.

… “Yes I am a white girl, my family is white…Europe has a lot of white people in them.”

Spaniards aren’t white now? How does this work exactly? Does anybody have a list?

Maybe Alec is just driven mad with passion by his wife speaking with a Spanish accent, like Gomez Adams can’t control his amour when Morticia speaks French?

 
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  1. Icy Blast says:

    The Conquistadores and their soldiers were “white.” The theologians of the School of Salamanca were “white.” Later immigration has turned Spain a darker hue, demographically speaking. Where did some Americans get the idea that the Spanish are not (or were not) white? What mortifying ignorance. Hillary (Hilaria) is of course ignorant also.

  2. JimDandy says:

    What is the benefit of lying about being Spanish? What is the harm in lying about being Spanish? If she was Spanish, she wouldn’t be white? Do Americans who can trace some relatives back to Spain really qualify as hispanic? Do they really get to check that box and benefit from checking that box? And that’s ok with the SJW gatekeepers?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    , @Anonymous
    , @guest
  3. Well, Spanish people are white, so that isn’t a problem. She’s not pulling a Shaun King.

    The problem is the fake categories of “Hispanic” and “Latino” that dominate our culture. Much like with Native American (e.g. Lizzie Warren), people often claim that heritage without proof.

    Plus the “weird accent” grift that people often exaggerate to get a niche/stand out.

    For example, lace curtain Irish/WASP duo Matt Damon & Ben Affleck affected slum-level Boston Irish accents in Good Will Hunting (and Damon resurrected it in The Departed) and both occasionally claim that they “slip” into them when drunk or watching sports. In reality, neither of them nor their families ever sounded like that; they were rich kids who spoke newscaster English their entire lives, and are doing the equivalent of an impression of their poor cousins.

    Or how Pierce Brosnan plays up his Irish accent slightly when talking to the British press, but plays up his British accent when talking to the Irish press. In reality, his accent is a muddled mix, thanks to his upbringing.

    Or how Charo and Desi Arnez played up their Hispanic accents and language-barrier-confusion throughout their careers. Sofía Vergara plays it up these days.

    This was a grift by her to get some sort of fame. Now she’s caught. Haha!

  4. syonredux says:

    Good observations from Razib:

    Razib Khan

    the small number of white (usually female?) LARPers who pretend to be nonwhite may just be a leading indicator. the ‘affirmative action’ benefits were always delimited and constrained. but now there is some broad ‘social cachet’ to being PoC seems like switching will accelerate

    basically what i’m getting as is when ‘cool girls’ start to do something, that is presaging a broader social shift

    Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu (aka Ashley Montagu) was born Israel Ehrenberg.

    we’re not in the 20th century anymore

  5. I predict more WASPs living in crypsis as Ellis Island Americans.

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
  6. WASPs living in crypsis as Ellis Islanders

  7. Ricky and Lucy were in an interracial marriage.

    A White woman teaches English to a Hispanic man.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Mulegino1
  8. This whole story is completely bonkers. It has been talked about for its woke implications, but I think the more pertinent implication is that this woman (and Baldwin himself) are obviously unhinged. I don’t think there is actually many woke intersectionality points at stake by claiming Spanish ancestry, and the idea that Spaniards are somehow harmed by this cultural appropriation is laughable. But like to get this wackadoo idea in your head that because your parents retired to Spain when you were 27 that you start identifying as Spanish and telling people you moved here from Spain for college is completely nuts. No normal person would do this, and no normal person would marry a person who had done this.

    • Agree: Lot
  9. Well, if Gorge Ramos can be Po Brown Trash, why can Mrs. Baldwin?

    • LOL: Jim Bob Lassiter
  10. Turning Hillary into Hilaria is hilarious in and of itself. That’s not anyone else’s real name, is it?

    I can see perfectly well why she’d want to change from Hillary, but there are loads of books with names she could have picked instead. Madison, Ashley, Etta, Emma, Ellie, Emily, and Phoebe are pretty big right now… if you’re an 8 year-old, at least.

    Thank you for the Gomez and Morticia clip.

    Oh, and every time I’ve ever heard of Mallorca, Spain, it brings me back to Ringo Starr and the “No, o, No” song.

    No thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze, and then it makes it hard to find the door.

  11. syonredux says:
    @Icy Blast

    Where did some Americans get the idea that the Spanish are not (or were not) white?

    It comes via the catchall “Hispanic/Latino/Latinx” affirmative action category, which lumps in Cameron Diaz with Jennifer Lopez. It’s moronic, but racial grifters use it to good advantage. For that matter, plenty of unis use it as a way to look more diverse (“See, if we just count these Ashkenazi Jews who were born in Argentina as POC…..”).

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @guest007
  12. JMcG says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Accents can be funny. I spent a fair amount of time in Ireland as a kid. When I go there now, especially when I’ve had a few, my kids point out that I’ve picked up an accent. I find it embarrassing enough that I strive to maintain my native accent. When I listen to the radio over there, after a few days, I can no longer pick up the fact that the speakers have an accent, unless it’s a real Dublin accent.
    On the other hand, When I was young, I could attract girls just by speaking. “You sound just like Gart Brooks” was a common line.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @vhrm
    , @Up2Drew
    , @Up2Drew
  13. syonredux says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Well, Spanish people are white, so that isn’t a problem. She’s not pulling a Shaun King.

    Kinda. Thanks to the existence of the uber-moronic “Hispanic/Latino/Latinx” category, White Spaniards kinda-sorta count as non-White. To cite an obvious example, I’ve actually run into people who count the Antonio Banderas MASK OF ZORRO as an example of a superhero movie with a POC lead…

  14. I thought Carolyn Jones as Morticia Adams was smoking hot when I as a yute.

    Don’t give a rat’s ass about Alec Dickhead Baldwin or his wife. Libtards deserve what they preach.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  15. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    “Teacher with Mediterranean and Jewish heritage is left bewildered as his trade union insists he is black – despite him telling them he is not”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9091217/Teacher-Mediterranean-Jewish-heritage-left-bewildered-trade-union-insists-hes-black.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

    A teacher has voiced his bewilderment after his Left-wing trade union insisted he was black.

    Jason Wardill, who is a design technology teacher, was surprised to be invited by the National Education Union (NEU) to a meeting of black teachers last year.

    Mr Wardill, 42, is of Mediterranean and Jewish heritage and has been trying to stop his union referring incorrectly to his ethnicity ever since – with no success.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  16. Y’know, this would make for a good SNL skit.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  17. anon[379] • Disclaimer says:

    what’s wrong with accents?

  18. JimDandy says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    He taught her things, too. Maybe pairing off Latino men with today’s woke white women is a good idea.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  19. Mike Tre says:

    Easy test to determine a white woman. First you throw her into a well. If she floats, then she is a white person and we kill her. If she sinks, then she is innocent of being white.

    Wait, you mean someone already thought of this????

    • LOL: Daniel H
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  20. @SimpleSong

    Baldwin seems to have recurring ‘accent trouble’ with his women.

  21. @Icy Blast

    Maybe the centuries of English
    /Spanish antipathy carried over to the New World and caused some Americans to think the Spanish weren’t white?

  22. Oh, these showbiz people. Now her cover is blown she’ll say she is really a man. Anything for attention.

  23. @Achmed E. Newman

    AbFab ruined it for me. Two food “journalists” converse:

    -Where have you been?
    -Spain.
    Ah. Off-the-beaten-track Andalucia. Forgotten Catalonia. My own…secret Majorca.
    -More like my own secret arsehole. A *** bit of coastline ruined by patronising English gits. “Oh, you must come over and share a rather fine local Rioja.” Oh, *** off, you sad ***. (BLOWING RASPBERRY)
    – Oh, dear. Mr Dictionary seems to have deserted us again.

    Listen, you old tart, can we not think of a nicer way of putting this? How about, “We grazed on canapes and feasted on roasted suckling pig and juicy carciofi beneath a bewildering array of stars,
    beside a pool brimming with azure blue.” You can’t put, “We all sat around and ate free foreign crap, then vomited.”
    -I’m a journalist.
    Fair enough.

    S2E4 “New Best Friend

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  24. Mr. Anon says:

    So, we’re just a couple of white people?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  25. @JimDandy

    50s: “Lucy, you got some ‘splainin’ to do!”

    Today: “Quit mansplaining, Ricky!”

  26. Thea says:
    @Icy Blast

    The general public are more geographically and historically illiterate than you can ever imagine. Ask the next person you pass on the street what a Ukraine is and why it got Trump impeached. I’m sure you will get some mind boggling replies.

    My neighbor told me with a straight face that three of his grandparents were from Germany and one from Spain. Since his parents were born in Mexico, he is not white.

    He doesn’t even know his own identity.

  27. Mr. Anon says:

    Maybe she thought she was Carlotta Valdes, reincarnated from the 19th century, like Kim Novak’s character in Vertigo:

  28. Thoughts says:

    Hilaria is a hero.

    All that matters is she bagged a rich dude, had a bunch of kids AND doesn’t have to work.

    It doesn’t matter. None of this matters.

    She WON

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  29. @John Up North

    What was “carried over” from England were women and children. The British were settlers, who created new communities and kept strictly apart from the natives (and killed as many as needed to be killed).

    The Spanish, on the other hand, were colonists and exploiters; Alpha Males looking for gold, to be sent back to Spain. They were unable to keep their Big Swinging Dicks in their steel codpieces, and hence fathered innumerable “metizos” (with the Church’s blessing; then as now, pro-miscegenation).

    Hence, NA is (well, was) a civilized land, while “Latin” America is a primitive shithole.

    Of course, Your Mileage May Vary. William Burroughs thought Mexico was a great place to hide out, as everyone minded their own business (no pesky anti-dope, anti-sex Puritans), plenty of dirt poor boys to buy, and “cops have as much prestige as bus conductors.” As he put it, “Latin America had the good fortune to be conquered by the white trash of Europe.”

  30. Thoughts says:
    @415 reasons

    Actually, every normal female knows there is an advantage to ‘Being Foreign’

    A certain subset of white men LOVE foreign women…and a white foreign woman is highly valued

    I think I remember a girl who pretended to be Russian to get her husband…

    I think Hillaria is a genius.

    With Alec’s past with Kim Bassinger, pretending to be a Catholic pro-baby Spaniard was genius.

    And it worked out, and they have Gorgeous kids.

    I’m very happy for them! A lie that led to a lot of happiness!

  31. Dan Hayes says:
    @JMcG

    Which of the 32 county’s accents do you adopt? It’s remarkable that these remarkably different accents haven’t been ground down to one in this small country!

  32. The worship of “ethnicity” can also contribute to silly ideas. Some people think speaking a different language makes you some outside racial group. As if language trumped race.

  33. @James O'Meara

    In a film full of scenery-chewers, he was the best thing, by faaah.

  34. Thea says:

    On the one hand, she could influence other young women to have big families naturally. Also she has stayed slender after five kids -great role model American women whom they should aspire to emulate!

    On the other hand, showing her kids on social media and chasing fame for its own sake is off-putting. Just enjoy being a rich movie star’s wife. Support his career and raise your kids in luxury. Give you kids the joy of as ordinary of a childhood as that life allows. Keep them out of the spot light.

    She is a natural beauty. What a shame she despises something about herself so much to create a fake persona.

  35. If a lovely, swarthy-skinned woman with long black hair, who was born in Mallorca, and is married to some actor no less, wants go around telling everyone she’s a Spaniard, I’m not sure I really care.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @Spud Boy
    , @Jack D
  36. Charlotte says:
    @John Up North

    I think it’s more that most Americans doesn’t often meet actual Spanish people, but they’ve encountered plenty of short, brown Hispanics-and the Spanish are technically Hispanic, since the term actually refers to culture rather than race.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
  37. @Dan Hayes

    Ireland should’ve never been allowed to become one nation. Upon independence, it should have been split to be the 4-10 nations it was during its entire existence before the English conquest. Ulster would’ve gladly agreed to independence then.

  38. @Servant of Gla'aki

    In a crazy world such as ours, where being “Hispanic” or “latino” means you get more privileges than if you are non-Hispanic “white”, you can bet that whether you care or not, it cares about you.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
  39. @Jim Don Bob

    She was the cat’s meow as Morticia. The wig and the tight dress and the baby doll eyes and seductive dark lady manner—yum!

    She was the first and best Goth fantasy girl of the TV era. Her and the women who played Catwoman and Batgirl on the Batman 60’s series likely inspired a ton of sexual role play during that era and beyond. I’m sure every high-end escort in the 1970s had one of those three outfits hidden in her closet for “special” clients who’d come of age in the 1960s.

    Much hotter than Angelica Houston’s portrayal in the movies (although she did an excellent job acting the role).

    • Agree: black sea
  40. Thea says:
    @415 reasons

    She carefully cultivated an image for over a decade. Unhinged people can’t do that convincingly. There are no normal people. Some of us just hide our weirdness better, that’s all.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    , @Jiminy
  41. unit472 says:

    One of the crueler aspects of slavery in the American South was the tendency of masters to give their house slaves fanciful or ridiculous names. Senator or Napoleon e.g. That died out until blacks themselves decided ‘Joe Louis or Robert Freeman was too bland so they started giving themselves fanciful, or ridiculous made up names. Black women affected the hyphenated last name as if they were English aristocrats.

    It is curious that hispanics , for the most part, are content with using ‘Conquistador’ names for their children though I have noticed Chicano ex cons sporting Aztec names.

    Then there was the English aristorcrat, Lord Anthony Wedgewood Benn who went the other way and dropped the Lord, the Anthony and the Wedgewood and finally the double nn in Ben.

  42. Is it due to the end of the year, slow news week, something along those lines, that this is actually considered to be a major story, even for Hollywood? Really? Seriously?

    Back in the day Marlon Brando’s first wife claimed to be from India, until it was found out that she came from OH or some ordinary place like that, and was not in fact, Indian. Brando was completely caught by surprise, where it’s highly unlikely that Alec Baldwin didn’t know his wife wasn’t in fact, Spanish.

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  43. Abe says:

    OT-

    Watched the straight-to-streaming PIXAR flic SOUL with my family over Christmas break. To be fair, nothing terribly woke in it except the fact that it was specifically conceived for the purposes of “representation”. It’s set in NYC, where apparently all of 3 recognizably-white people live. In another lame PIXAR Emeryville gentry liberal attempt to conceive of black people as they should be rather than are, the main character is a boringly milquetoast near-40 substitute music teacher who dies accidentally by falling through a manhole (like it’s 1940 and he’s Bugs Bunny) right on the day he’s gotten his big break to perform with an acclaimed jazz quartet. Crux of the movie is his soul’s attempt to return to its body and its sublunary dilemma of whether to continue pursuing his musical dreams or take the sudden offer of becoming a full-time 7th grade music teacher and get those sweet, sweet health benefits. And this is a kid’s movie.

    Again, nothing hugely objectionable and I sort of admire their attempt to make an even trippier, more grown-up version of IN AND OUT which I liked, but who the [email protected] is this movie for?! The hero is an unmarried 40 year old man whose main female relationships are with his mom and the other septuagenarian black yentas working in her tailor shop. There is mention of a possible girlfriend, but a man this old without a serious female relationship in his life sets off my creep-dar. More importantly, in their effort at being relevant without offending anyone, how the [email protected] do you schlep merch off a film like this? I am racking the film trivia stash in my brain and cannot think of one that SOUL is not significantly worse than. CLOCKWORK ORANGE? Collect all 4 droogs. GODFATHER? Buy the Luca Brasi action-set complete with realistic ice-pick to the hand action. Note, BTW, they are this year actually selling kid’s toys for the hyper-violent GAME OF THRONES series.

    Anyway, the most objectionable part for me is where the sidekick pre-soul character voiced by Tina Fey is asked why she talks like a middle-aged white woman when she has never lived a day on Earth yet. She replies she can talk in any voice she likes, but chose that one as it was the most annoying one she could think of. Yes, Steve, your “pal” Tina Fey, in pursuit of another filthy paycheck she doesn’t really need, self-Karen’d.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  44. @James O'Meara

    Now, THIS is the best comment-post of Steve’s posts for 2020.

  45. vhrm says:
    @JMcG

    Yeah, w/ Hilaria the claims of where she was born and grew up are weird, but her accent in English seems slight, to me anyway. Besides, people’s accents change in non-obvious ways. Stuff like this:

    However, when she analysed her test subjects’ language use further, she found a striking difference. The isolated Spaniards had perfectly preserved their underlying grammar. But the Cubans – who constantly used their mother tongue – had lost certain distinctive native traits. The key factor was not the influence of English, but of Miami’s other varieties of Spanish. In other words, the Cubans had started to speak more like Colombians or Mexicans.

    In fact, when Dominguez returned to Spain after her stay in the US, where she had many Mexican friends, her friends back home said she now sounded a little Mexican. Her theory is that the more familiar another language or dialect is, the more likely it is to change our native language.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180606-can-you-lose-your-native-language

    For myself, i remember that i went skiing in Montreal area many years ago and by the end of a week i started sounding a bit Canadian and this was not due to any conscious effort. It lasted a bit after i came back too, but then went away.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @James O'Meara
  46. vhrm says:
    @Abe

    Since you bring it up, i haven’t seen it, but Pixar/Disney somehow paid Roku enough money that they took over the theme and screensaver on my Roku TV and i had to go in and change it manually; hadn’t seen that happen before (though to be fair i’ve only been using Roku products for maybe 1.5 years).

    My reaction whenever i saw it for the week before i changed it was “yeah, i’m sure it’s fine because Pixar movies are usually at least decent, and i’ll probably see it sometime, but i’m a bit BLMed out for now, thanks.”

  47. MEH 0910 says:

  48. @Abe

    Sadly, kids’ movies (and kids’ toys) these days are very often made for grownups.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  49. Jack D says:
    @R.G. Camara

    This is nothing like Damon and Affleck putting on accents in movie roles or Charo or Desi’s accent which were 100% genuine – they could not have spoken accent free English to save their life. Hilary (excuse me Hilaria) grew up in Massachusetts and her phony accent and shtick “How you say in English, cucumber?” were 1,000% fake. She said on numerous occasions that she was from Spain which is just plain false.

  50. Jack D says:
    @vhrm

    Yes, if people live in isolation (Americans who defected to N. Korea) then after a while they start to speak English with a strange accent. But Hilaria was never isolated from English. She lives in NY. Her Spanish accent was a conscious effort at fakery.

    I don’t know why folks are defending this shameless hussy. I kind of admire her for running such a scam and I understand why you would want to do it – basic white bitches are losing their market value. Rachel Ray doesn’t want to put a white MA housewife on to cook Spanish dishes but a cute Spanish woman with a slight but understandable Spanish accent – sure I’d book her. But you have to understand that this was a complete and intentional scam and not something accidental or unconscious. I don’t even think it was mental illness but an actual planned career enhancing move.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  51. Abe says:
    @MEH 0910

    Dumb, ~120 IQ whites who think they can make an entire career out of guiding even dimmer whites through the constantly shifting sands of woke orthography (“It’s Khu-h’-(hack)(cough)(green phlegm)-ran, not Q’ur’an, you insensitive clod.”) now that settling up token-ring networks or administering Lotus Notes clusters is a thing of the past probably think Mrs. Baldwin is about what a Spanish woman ought to look like, with the epitome being that actress who played Catherine of Aragon in ANNE OF A THOUSAND OF DAYS with the woodcarver’s best-shot nose and eyebrows that could buff the wax off a Camino. But the real Catherine was a ginger, ironic as Mrs. Baldwin’s giving birth to a ginger probably gave them game away for her.

  52. @Mr. Anon

    Thank you for that reminder, Mr. Anon, of a time when one could still make fun of it all.

    The Office made plenty of fun but then often tried to tell us that maybe we weren’t supposed to at the same time:

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  53. She wasn’t Rachel Dolezal’ing to qualify for affirmative action goodies so claiming to be Hispanic from Latin America wasn’t a given, instead she was Rachel Dolezal’ing for high status alpha male mate securing purposes. She probably found out that Alec Baldwin had a thing for Latinas but astutely guessed he also wanted white white kids and didn’t want to go “too ethnic”, so re-inventing herself as an Iberica was a better choice. You get the accent, slightly exotic allure, while still being respectably white and no third world baggage. Perfect for the wife of a high status man. “Meet my new Spanish wife” is better than “meet my new Guatemalan wife” since it’s Spanish women are hotter, probably harder to get, rarer in the US, and there’s no desperate green card marriage involved (an EU passport is probably more valuable than a US one, no offence!).

    • Agree: Jim Bob Lassiter
    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
  54. jcd1974 says:
    @MEH 0910

    The kids are: daughter Carmen Gabriela, 7; son Rafael Thomas, 5; son Leonardo Ángel, 4; son Romeo Alejandro, 2; and son Eduardo ‘Edu’ Pao Lucas, 3 months.

    The kids’ names will be Alec’s daily reminder that he married a crazy woman.

    Meanwhile Alec was born Alexander Baldwin III. Four sons and not one named Alexander IV, the closest is Romeo Alejandro.

    • Agree: clyde
    • Thanks: northeast
    • LOL: LondonBob
  55. @Achmed E. Newman

    Turning Hillary into Hilaria is hilarious in and of itself. That’s not anyone else’s real name, is it?

    There’s a legend of a girl named Hilaria (daughter of King Zeno) who became a man! How fitting!

  56. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Of course Alec Baldwin didn’t know she wasn’t Spanish. Her con was to fake being a spicy white to snare him. Alec Baldwin was probably jealous of Matt Damon and his submissive Hispanic wife.

  57. @Anonymous

    Reminds of the time I was invited to join the Jewish law students association — and my Jewish girlfriend wasn’t.

  58. Using a few genealogy websites I was able to find Hilaria’s ancestry. If the various lineages are correct then she has seven Mayflower ancestors. George Soule is her 10th great grandfather. Mayflower Pilgrims John Howland and Elizabeth Tilley are Hilaria’s 12th great grandparents. Four passengers are her 13th great grandparents: John Tilley, Joan Hurst, and William and Mary Brewster. During their first winter at Plymouth, Massachusetts, about half the Mayflower passengers died, among them John Tilley and his wife Joan Hurst. She is a cousin of various kinds to 39 of the US presidents and many famous or significant people in US history. She can be proud of being so firmly rooted in America. She does have some Spanish royal ancestry through her paternal grandmother, being the 15th great granddaughter of Rey Felipe I of Hasburg and Reina Juana I de Castilla. Do you think she wants to know this?

    • Thanks: vhrm
  59. @Polistra

    Alec Baldwin thought she was the perfect ethnic accessory

    I think he thought “Hmm, i’d be fine putting my penis into this cute girl–half my age now and always a quarter century younger–the rest of my life” And–guessing–“she wants to have kids and i’d actually like to have more children and a family”.

    I think Alec Baldwin is politically an annoying prick. But i get the deal. He had the actor-actress thing with Kim Basinger go south so has never had a real family. Hilaria’s an obvious attention whore … put she’s delivering the goods! She’s a white baby making machine!

    • Agree: JMcG
  60. @R.G. Camara

    I remember there being a television chef named Martin Yan, who spoke with an almost comically thick Chinese accent on his show. In reality, he was born in America and spoke perfect English.

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Joe Joe
    , @Jack D
  61. njguy73 says:
    @Thea

    “What’s a Ukraine?”

    “It’s what you use to lift up heavy things.”

    I’ll just show myself out.

    • LOL: Thea
  62. If you grew up in the US, and are 40 or older, you probably already know how we got here–with the hispanic/latino category and how they came to have affirmative action–and why then people would pretend.

    Up until the 80s (Nixon’s category be damned) there was a notion of “Chicanos” which summoned ideas of someone who was mestizo, kinda brown, Mexican, a farm worker, etc. Downtrodden like the Irish or Italians. Later, once “Hispanic” became a thing, especially in government hiring, white people did what they always do–and so did the immigrant grifters: “Well, if so and so brown person is Hispanic, I guess I don’t want to be rude and question this other person from Argentina who really just seems white to me…so, them too then…” and so and and so on.

    The later transition to “Latino” (adding the ethnic sound to it, and the very word) only solidified the category. Pretty soon, people were coming to the US who were basically just regular white folks (Spanish, sometimes even of mixed Italian or German descent) from Latin America, who then started forming this self-serving idea of being victims of racism–even though Italians if anything, actually suffered “white on white” ethnic racism. There was no overt, state-sponsored nor hardly tacit racism or anything, against White Hispanics, even those that were somewhat mixed. What was once just another white ethnicity (Spanish, Cuban, etc), absent some identifiable difference (e.g. a brown Puerto Rican, or an actual Indian from Bolivia or Peru), suddenly got clout and status in the eyes of the government and the proto-woke culture. Anyone over 40 remembers that Desi Arnaz was just a Cuban guy (white), with an accent–no more “ethnic” or different than your average Italian or Greek American.

    Now you hear Latinos say dumb things about how “we don’t all look alike” (cover for those who are white) and things like, “oh, I have a friend who is from Mexican and she has blond hair and blue eyes…most people think she’s white…but she’s actually Mexican”. They actually say dumb shit like that. “When I first saw Cameron Diaz, I just thought she was white, but then learned she is ‘Cuban’” (and she’s freaking half anyhow). They say it with a straight face. They know that if you look white, it is because you are white. Just as sure as Felix Trinidad is black and every black on the planet knows that.

    It was early, massive, coordinated grifting that goes on to this day with government jobs, contracts and college admissions. Just google things like “if my grandmother is Spanish can I put on a college application” and you will see. Also, check out the federal government’s definition of Hispanic/Latino. If Hilaria had even one ggg-grandparent from Spain, most liberals would have already started defending her as legit.

    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  63. Whiskey says: • Website

    I think the biggest thing here is that no one is afraid of making an enemy of Alec Baldwin. You’d think a semi regular on SNL, who does movies still and is fairly famous and working steadily would not be what people on Twitter would like for an enemy. Particularly since he’s on “their side.”

    But without Trump, then Baldwin is just another White guy.

    I’m sure Baldwin knew his wife was not Spanish or Mestizo, no doubt he’s met her parents.

    I can for sure tell you who doesn’t have any power in the West: White guys. And White women.

    Again — no one on Twitter thought: “Gee, Baldwin’s pretty famous, he has lots of famous friends, maybe it would not be so hot to call out his wife on Twitter.”

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  64. @Thoughts

    To a normal man this turn of events would be completely humiliating.

    That said, the tea from a friend of mine who summers in the Hamptons is that Baldwin was infatuated with Salma Hayek circa 2010 and this girl picked up on that and affected to be from Mallorja, where her parents had just retired to.

  65. epebble says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Nigel Ng (“Uncle Roger”) does a good act like that.

    He has degrees in Engineering and Philosophy from Northwestern University.

  66. @Thea

    Maybe unhinged — implying frank mental instability– is not le mot juste. This is four standard deviations away from typical behavior, though. Sure, it’s harmless. I could almost see affecting a Spanish accent and speaking Spanish after spending a lot of time there as a charming eccentricity. But to actively lie to people about your past and claim to be a foreigner despite there being dozens of people who knew you from high school in Boston? That is pathological lying and not the behavior or someone who is mentally totally well.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  67. @R.G. Camara

    Much hotter than Angelica Houston’s portrayal in the movies

    I agree on the relative merits of Carolyn Jones and Angelica Houston. The former had sex appeal, the latter had none.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  68. Truth says:
    @MEH 0910

    This… person… is supposed to have delivered 6 children in a row?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @AnotherDad
  69. I am swarthy like Hillaria and actually have a common Latin American first name, as my parents were “creative” Boomers. Also I can speak decent Spanish due to an intensive Spanish program included in my Elementary/Middle school gifted classes.

    In my mid 20s I checked off “Latino/Hispanic” and white for all job applications. I stopped once I got more skills. I have no idea whether it helped or not, but the market was bad so I was throwing anything at the wall. Only real drawback is I can never be famous, hah.

  70. notsaying says:

    Well the Daily Mail says Alec is exhausted but Hillary went right to posting photos of herself (including cleavage) and her kids today, after promising to go away for awhile. So much for letting the fact that she’s been outed as a faker and a big liar keep her away from her social media obsession.

    Baldwin laid out the situation pretty well:

    “While not addressing the allegations directly Baldwin, 62, said Twitter is ‘a lot of sh*t’. He added: ‘You have to kind of hack your way through the debris of Twitter. Twitter is just a vast orchard of cr**.

    He said: ‘There’s things that have been said lately about people that I love, that I care about deeply, which are ridiculous. I mean, just ridiculous.’

    ‘They’ve said it about people I love – false things. Untrue things,’ the actor added.

    ‘And as much as that hurts, the only thing I can do is talk to that half of the public or that portion of the public who understands what I mean when I say: “Consider the source. When you love somebody you want to defend them.’

    On Monday he posted a quote seemingly about the incident to his Instagram page. It read: ‘A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its shoes.’”

    Of course there is the tiny problem that it is him and his wife who have been doing the lying. His daughter Ireland also came through with a vigorous but fact-free defense of her stepmother.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094197/Alec-Baldwin-runs-errands-defending-wife-Hilary-claims-faked-Spanish-heritage.html

    • Replies: @Thoughts
  71. MEH 0910 says:
    @Truth

    This… person…

    That’s Mrs. Person.

    is supposed to have delivered 6 children in a row?

    • Replies: @Truth
  72. Thoughts says:
    @415 reasons

    Genius!!!

    Baldwin should be proud he married someone so intelligent!

  73. Thoughts says:
    @notsaying

    She did exactly the right thing with the cleavage shots

    When someone calls you out on your genius move to get married

    Post a photo of your Awesome Tits

    Winning!

    • Agree: notsaying
  74. @415 reasons

    Trump is merely a presage of what politics on the right will look like. What will happen to already unhinged liberals when the actually see a real fascist let alone have one as President? And then they will behold what their own party became. They will look back at the Trump years fondly and realize that this will all be their fault.

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Hugo Silva
  75. epebble says:

    This is a story of opposite kind …

    Teacher with Mediterranean and Jewish heritage is left bewildered as his trade union insists he is black – despite him telling them he is not

    Jason Wardill, 42, invited to a meeting of black teachers last year

    Design technology teacher tried to stop union referring incorrectly to ethnicity

    National Education Union treats black as a political term not African heritage

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9091217/Teacher-Mediterranean-Jewish-heritage-left-bewildered-trade-union-insists-hes-black.html

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @Gary in Gramercy
  76. @Truth

    This… person… is supposed to have delivered 6 children in a row?

    Five. Averaging a bit less than two years apart the past seven years. Nothing odd about it–in fact natural. My grandmother had her first five over a very similar time period. AnotherMom and I were on that spacing, but we started late (grad school).

    How women recover from pregnancy is highly variable. But most–if they are active–return to a reasonable shape. If they work at–which you can bet she does–in great shape.

    Hillary/Hillaria is an attention whore which is a bad sign. But they sure look like a great family. Like to see more prosperous people put more of their prosperity into having children.

  77. The whole thing seems a bit strange to me. Aren’t there a large number of Iberians in the Northeast? When I traveled to Boston, Somerville and Charlestown had no shortage of Portuguese businesses. Long Island is chock full of Iberians as well. Maybe Magyar is a bit harder to cape, but one would expect a local to have called bullshit much earlier.

  78. @Charlotte

    It doesn’t even refer to culture. All “Hispanic” means is that one has ancestry from Spain, whether it be one’s own parents (and oneself), or centuries ago who settled somewhere in the New World. You don’t even have to speak Spanish or have a Spanish surname.

    • Replies: @bomag
  79. @Peter D. Bredon

    “As he put it, “Latin America had the good fortune to be conquered by the white trash of Europe.”

    You got it all wrong. The “conquistadors” were aristocrats, from the nobility and appointed to their positions in the Americas by the King Himself.

    It is the white Americans who are descended from the white trash of Europe. The Puritans were religious fanatics that no one liked in England. The English often joke that the biggest favor America ever did them was not to help in WW2, but to take away their religious nutters, who became the Americans(good riddance, you won’t be missed!). And latter, the white immigrants that came to America were the poor rables of Europe. Do you really think an European back in the 19th century would cross the dangerous Atlantic and start a new life in a new continent, one with harsher weather than Europe, except if they actually had to?

    The upper crust aristocrat Conquistadors, the white trash of Europe? Hardly. The white trash were the ancestors of white Americans: potato Irish, estuary Englishmen, poor laborers from Hamburg, Poland and southern Italy, etc.

  80. vhrm says:
    @epebble

    That’s a moderately misleading headline about what’s going on, as the Mail is apt to do, but in this case it also buries the lede. As the article says a few paragraphs in:

    The NEU – which has been at the forefront of the campaign to keep schools closed during the pandemic – says it treats black as a political term rather than a signifier of African heritage.

    Therefore the term includes ‘all members who self-identify as black, Asian and any other minority ethnic groups who do not identify themselves as white’.

  81. Mr. Anon says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I always had a thing for Carolyn Jones. She was a knockout who never found the career her beauty deserved. She was a scream-queen in a couple of 50’s horror/sci-fi films, The House of Wax and Invasion of the Body Snatchers; scream-queen meaning that she was prettier than the leading lady but get’s killed off. I see from her IMDB bio that she might have gotten the role of the prostitute in From Here to Eternity – the role that Donna Reed played. There is also the following quote of hers about men, which is an interesting take:

    “I like men. I like the sound of their voices, the way they think. They’re more sensitive than women. With a woman, everything is either this or that, black or white. But a man can see shades of gray. That’s what I call being sensitive.”

    It’s a pity she died at a relatively young age.

  82. Mr. Anon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The Office made plenty of fun but then often tried to tell us that maybe we weren’t supposed to at the same time:

    That’s an interesting progression. In the 90s, as with Seinfeld, they could make fun of racial situations and make fun of people thinking they shouldn’t think about those situations. In the 00’s or so, as with The Office (which I never watched, but I’ll take your word), they could make fun of the former but not the latter, and now you can’t make fun of anything, excepting of course white men.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Peter D. Bredon
  83. raga10 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Turning Hillary into Hilaria is hilarious in and of itself. That’s not anyone else’s real name, is it?

    Yes, it is actually a real name. Quoting from baby names website:

    “Hilaria, the ancient Roman form of Hilary also given to joyous festivals, is still used in Spain and Poland, while the intriguing Italian version is Ilaria.”

    So, she wants to pretend to be Spanish? So what – there are worse things than being Spanish, and suburban Massachusetts does sound kind of boring. Nothing wrong with re-inventing oneself…

  84. Mr. Anon says:
    @AnotherDad

    You didn’t pick up on “Truth”‘s meaning. He was implying that the lady is actually a dude. That’s his schtick – and his hang-up. He seems to think that all women are really men. I assume it’s his way of psychologically dealing with a really bad choice in night-time companion that he once made in a booze or drug fueled haze.

    Bear in mind, the guy is a literal flat-earther.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Truth
    , @MEH 0910
  85. @Whiskey

    I can for sure tell you who doesn’t have any power in the West: White guys. And White women.

    Rich Jewish and white gentile guys–e.g. Soros, Zuckerberg, Gates–still have plenty of power.

    The non-whites have “power” in the West, only because the reigning Jewish minoritarian ethos gives ’em that power. But in general they don’t have the cash nor the competence. Their “power” is entirely based on minoritarianism holding sway.

    If you mean the average flyover country middle or working class gentile, then yeah–at the bottom of the pecking order now in minoritarian America.

  86. MEH 0910 says:
    @AnotherDad

    BTW, just in case – in my reply to Truth, I wasn’t implying that over 3 children is too many. I was jokingly implying that Truth has primitive tribalistic counting skills.

  87. Kronos says:

    Spaniards aren’t white now? How does this work exactly? Does anybody have a list?

    Steve, I’ve got a plan to make the US whiter via immigration but we gotta move fast. If Spaniards aren’t white they can take up Latin/Hispanic immigration slots. They can just move to Mexico through the Spanish Commonwealth system (if it exists, it’s racist to ask so no problems there) and apply for US citizenship.

  88. Kronos says:
    @Mr. Anon

    and now you can’t make fun of anything, excepting of course white men.

    straight white men.

  89. black sea says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    Do you really think an European back in the 19th century would cross the dangerous Atlantic and start a new life in a new continent, one with harsher weather than Europe, except if they actually had to?

    If they had enough balls and ambition, possibly.

  90. Dissident says:

    How many remember the fevered, luridly violent diatribe that Alec Baldwin broke-out into in 1998 while being interviewed by Conan O’Brien?

    Excerpt from transcript found here:

    And I come back from Africa to stained dresses and cigars and this and impeachment. I am thinking to myself in other countries they are laughing at us twenty four hours a day and I’m thinking to myself if we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together, [starts to shout] all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! [crowd cheers] Wait! Shut up! Shut up! No shut up! I’m not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we’d kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families. [stands up screaming] What is happening in this country? What is happening? UGHHH UGHHH!!!!”

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  91. JMcG says:
    @Dan Hayes

    None of them – at least not properly. My parents were off the boat, and I could never tell that they had accents either, though my friends certainly could.
    You’re absolutely correct about the variety of accents in such a small country. Crossing from Sligo into Donegal is like throwing a switch, as is crossing from Donegal into Tyrone. All within 40 miles or so. My Dad had a hard time understanding much of what my brother in law said when they first met, and they were born within 80 miles of each other.
    I hope you have a good New Year.

    • Replies: @Stramgram
  92. @Dan Hayes

    “It’s remarkable that these remarkably different accents haven’t been ground down to one in this small country!”

    Ireland remained remarkably parochial for a long time, basically up until it joined the EU. Even in the North, there’s a huge variety of Protestant accents, from the rather harsh Paisley style to the softest and sweetest. But then, as a Catholic friend from there pointed out, the “Troubles” had the side-effect of keeping the place frozen as it was 50 years ago.

    I’m not sure how long this will last. Southern Ireland’s changing very very fast with EU and African immigration.

  93. @415 reasons

    No normal person would do this, and no normal person would marry a person who had done this.

    That’s why it took Alec to do the job.

    • LOL: Gary in Gramercy
  94. I was born in Argentina of a German mother and an Italian father, immigrated to USA when I was 6 what am I? I say: I’m an Americanized Argentinian, but maybe I’m European either way I’m white

    • Replies: @Jack D
  95. @Thea

    He doesn’t even know his own identity.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  96. @Rockford Tyson

    “You got it all wrong. The “conquistadors” were aristocrats”

    Leaders were, followers not quite so much. Many more followers than leaders. The most economically advanced parts of Spain – Basque country, Asturias – had fewest emigrants to the Americas, poor places like Extremadura and Andalucia the most. On holiday in rural 1980s Andalucia you could still see oxen or horses pulling ploughs.

    “Peter Boyd-Bowman, a linguist who in the 1970s (over 5 volumes) documented a hopefully representative (and large – 50,000-odd) sample of early Spanish emigrants to the Americas, names, birthplaces, occupations etc. I wonder if they are now on a database?

    Turns out the vast majority were from poorer, southern and western areas – Andalucia, Extremadura, Castile. Not many from inside the Hajnal Line – Asturias, Navarre, Basque country. Lots from Extremadura, the harshest and poorest of places.”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/atlantic-how-should-we-talk-about-migration-policy/#comment-2320025

    • Thanks: bomag
  97. @jcd1974

    And zero Spanish blood.

    That’s a genuine bellylaugh.

  98. @Abe

    Muchas pelirrojas en Espanya.

  99. Jiminy says:

    Here in the land of oz you have white people who call themselves aboriginal. Obviously there is a benefit to calling yourself black and not white. Mind you they get extra government payments, assisted education, cushy government jobs, free breakfast before school. And wait, there’s more…. It’s like a whole subculture out there.

  100. @GeneralisimoFranco

    It works more easily in reverse. Anyone who is not a Latino is a gringo.

  101. AndrewR says:
    @R.G. Camara

    She’s pretending to be of a background she’s not from. You don’t have to pretend to be black to “pull a Shaun King”

  102. notsaying says:

    Now Hillary’s stepdaughter Ireland Baldwin is having trouble with Hispanics. She is apologizing but still saying people are telling lies about Hillary in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is Hillary who told lies. She is just digging a deeper hole for herself. I can’t help but feel sorry for her. It is not her fight after all.

    “On Monday, Ireland returned to social media to upload a further statement, this time declaring her support for the ‘Latinx community’ and insisting she will ‘do better’.

    “The daughter of Alec Baldwin wrote: ‘I simply want to say this and then nothing more. I am fully supportive of any individual of the Latinx community. I will continue to listen and learn.

    But I also feel defensive when misinformation spreads regarding my family. I will do better…At the same time, I hope that people can start getting information from credible sources.’ ”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9094311/Ireland-Baldwin-clarifies-support-Latinx-community-defending-stepmom-Hilaria.html

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  103. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:

    Like all other Europeans, the Spanish are basically a three way mixture of ‘EEF’ (early European farmers), ‘WHG’, (western hunter gatherers) and the Steppe people.

    The key difference with northern Europeans is more EEF and less Steppe.

  104. AndrewR says:
    @notsaying

    Just when I think our society can’t get any gayer or dumber, I am proven wrong

    • LOL: notsaying
  105. clyde says:
    @jcd1974

    The kids are: daughter Carmen Gabriela, 7; son Rafael Thomas, 5; son Leonardo Ángel, 4; son Romeo Alejandro, 2; and son Eduardo ‘Edu’ Pao Lucas, 3 months.
    The kids’ names will be Alec’s daily reminder that he married a crazy woman.

    The worst and stupidest part is the children all have Spanish first and second names. Where is Alec Balwin’s heritage represented in these random Spanish names? Looks like Mrs Crazy Baldwin insisted on doing all the naming. All her other stupid claims to Spanish identity I can gloss over. But to go on a power trip as far as naming? This would get me really pissed off if I were Alec Baldwin. Pissed to the point of divorce if the names were not changed to at least English second names.

    Mrs Crazy took advantage of an old man. What other mad stunts did she pull behind his back?

  106. Are the Baldwins really Oirish?

  107. @epebble

    A certain song by Sly and the Family Stone comes to mind, but I don’t want to have my college and law school admissions offers withdrawn — several decades after graduation. (I didn’t go to the University of Tennessee, but why take chances?)

    • LOL: Cortes
  108. @415 reasons

    The “tea” where does that euphemism come from? I’ve only heard blacks use it.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
  109. Jiminy says:
    @Thea

    I think there’s a medical condition where somebody wakes up, or hits their head and can either talk in another language or with an accent. Or maybe she just fell off the wagon.

  110. Wielgus says:
    @Mike Tre

    2020 has been like this…

  111. Pretty sure she dyes her hair to make it as dark as possible, just to double down on the grift.

    What’s the over-under on the divorce? I give it a year.

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @AnotherDad
  112. @clyde

    “Mrs Crazy took advantage of an old man. “

    She’s a yoga teacher. I doubt he (or any man actually) married for her forensic intellect.

    I see her Wiki has no birth date thereon. But she’s obviously young enough to bear a small tribe.

    The kids are: daughter Carmen Gabriela, 7; son Rafael Thomas, 5; son Leonardo Ángel, 4; son Romeo Alejandro, 2; and son Eduardo ‘Edu’ Pao Lucas, 3 months.

    Maybe when they’re older they’ll announce they wish to be known as Kathleen, Sean, Patrick, Mick and Rory.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @fnn
  113. Holy Christ, they gave all their kids Spanish names! This story is truly amazing. In spite of all his brashness and bravado, Alec must be quietly stewing about this. She conned him so badly that he agreed to give Spanish names to his ginger kids. He looks like a complete fool now. I can imagine him quietly raging every time he looks at Eduardo and Alejandro and realizes he’s been had, and for all the public to see. We Irish don’t let things go very easily..I don’t think this will end well.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Paperback Writer
  114. Her fat, bloated husband has been pretending to be hip and funny for years, what’s the difference?

    • LOL: JMcG
  115. @raga10

    First of all, I only know this chick from the article here, as I’m not the type to get excited about the celebrity trash being reported on by the trash publications for sale next to the cashier at the grocery store.

    It sounds like the lady IS a flat-out liar though. If it were a lie on the paperwork to get into school or get a scholarship easier via AA than I’d have no problem with it. We’ve gotta fight back on that. This one was simply a lie made to help her become a bigger celebrity. As I wrote, I’ve never heard of this Hilaria before and I will likely not ever again, so this is not keeping me up at night. She’s still lying to you people that read the tabloids, though. I don’t like being lied to, but to each his own.

    • Replies: @raga10
  116. Jack D says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    She was not born in Mallorca. Her first connection to Mallorca was when her parents retired there when she was 27 years old.

    These are her parents, the very non-Spanish David Thomas and Dr. Kathryn Hayward. They are not very swarthy. I am guessing that Hilaria darkens her hair with hair dye. It’s very common for women to lighten their hair but she decided to darken it instead in furtherance of her scheme:

  117. @YetAnotherAnon

    Ireland and Spain had lots of cultural connections over the centuries.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  118. slumber_j says:
    @JimDandy

    Do they really get to check that box and benefit from checking that box? And that’s ok with the SJW gatekeepers?

    They can, and they do. Why wouldn’t they?

    And since the whole concept is incoherent, yeah: it’s fine with the gatekeepers.

  119. slumber_j says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Ireland and Spain had lots of cultural connections over the centuries.

    And way back in the day some of the same people more or less: hence the northwestern Spanish region of Galicia.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  120. The people who get caught are the ones that decide to be very public about it like this woman, or the ones like Rachel Dozonel that become a professional POC.

    Little old you, checking that box to get an affirmative action spot at work or college, won’t be. You’re a fool not to. Don’t make it too obvious, just claim partial ancestry a couple of generations back.

  121. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimDandy

    Of course ? Hispanic is hispanic and no one would dare call you out on that based on physiognomy or some imagined genealogical research on your racial origins…lol can you imagine the dissembling on that ?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  122. Thea says:
    @415 reasons

    That is interesting. She is not the first groupie to snag her lore that way.

    You have to admit she is a beauty at least. How many men would complain someone looking like her who gave them a bunch of kids and stays loyal tricked him?

    Besides, everyone hated him already.

    • Replies: @Frank McGar
  123. Darwin says we’re all black African. I think we should respond accordingly. Lack of melanin prejudice is a real thing. Hilaria can be forgiven for her creative heritage interpretation. And why not, she doesn’t have enough melanin. Still in the end she’s black like all of us. She however cannot be forgiven for marrying and spawning with the very boorish Alec Baldwin. Who by the way had to be complicit in her performance.

    For the record I don’t believe any of the above except for the Alec Baldwin stuff.

  124. Jack D says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Martin Yan was born and lived in China or Hong Kong until his late teenage years. He speaks with a Cantonese accent as is appropriate for someone with his background.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Yan

    I’m sure he would have loved to lose his accent, but he can’t. For some reason, it’s particularly hard for Cantonese (even harder than for Mandarin speakers) to lose their accent when they arrive here after puberty. I have a friend who is a pharmaceutical researcher from Hong Kong. She attended university in the US, has lived here for 40 years and writes scientific papers with perfectly grammatical English. But when you speak to her, she sounds like she just got off the plane. In fact, she sounds a lot like Martin Yan. It would have helped her professionally if she was able to shed the accent but she couldn’t.

  125. Jack D says:
    @Fräulein Dresden

    Do you speak with a phony Spanish accent? Do you check the “Latino” boxes on applications?

  126. Jack D says:
    @415 reasons

    I guess it depends on how you define mental illness. There are many clues that she did this as a conscious scam to further her career/marriage prospects. I am quite sure that she is under no delusions as to her actual place of birth or national origin. If intentionally plan and carry out an elaborate scam and sustain it for many years, are you really mentally ill or just a scammer?

    • Replies: @415 reasons
  127. This sort of thing – speaking with a fake foreign accent – happens in classical music. Perhaps the most famous was the great conductor Leopold Stokowski, who was a cockney by birth and upbringing, but developed a Mittel Europa accent in later life, complete with broken English and groping for common words. The famous cellist Jacqueline de Pre went from an ultra posh English to something strange that was probably meant to be French ( like her husband Daniel Barenboim).

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  128. Stramgram says:
    @JMcG

    Dialectical differences in England are understandable because they’ve been speaking or evolving English for around 50 generations, with travel and communication even over a few dozen miles being difficult for most of that time. But apart from around Dublin and other port or garrison towns, most Irish have been speaking English for only 4-5 generations, and most of our ancestors learned standard English as part of a standardized curriculum in an era of railways and postal systems and telegraphs.

    I think what you’re hearing in Sligo and Donegal is accents that derive from dialectical differences in the Irish or Gaelic that was spoken in those places. Donegal Irish is still alive, and it does have the same musicality as Donegal English. Sligo Irish is dead, but the Sligo English accent might give a hint of what it sounded like, of what 1800’s schoolchildren in Sligo sounded like when they were reading English from a book.

    And yes, Sligo to Donegal is like flipping a switch. There was a TV ad in the 80’s promoting the use of the Irish language. It featured the preparations for a concert in Paris by the Donegal band Clannad. The French audience and venue staff were speaking French among themselves, and the band were speaking Irish among themselves, and the message was that this is a natural and logical situation. The problem was that Donegal Irish is a beautiful dialect that’s impossible to understand if your ear isn’t attuned to it, and it was unfortunately the dialect that students were least likely to be exposed to. Which spoiled the message of the ad, because an Irish person who’d studied both languages up to the end of high school had a better chance of understanding the Paris French than the Donegal Irish.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @JMcG
  129. guest007 says:
    @syonredux

    A similar affirmative action ploy has been attempted by some universities that have added the -Middle East North Africa (MENA) on their applications. It is not to give the students who are ethnically Egyptian, Algerian, Syrian, or Turkish affirmative action but to keep them from checking the African-American box. When ever I meet an Egyptian-American or Lebanese-American who tells me their children are at Penn or Stanford, I automatically assume that the parents were smart enough to make sure their children checked the African-American box on the application.

    That is why some of the reparation advocates in the African-American community have stated that being eligible should be a two part test: ancestor that was a slave and checking the African-American box on all government forms for at least ten years.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  130. Thea says:

    It is odd that she always kept Thomas as her maiden name yet no one, even her husband, suspected anything.

    A Mallorcan can have some Anglo paternal ancestry, they must have figured.

    The only people who this offend are less attractive single white liberal women. She used it to get what they wish to have. Spaniards should be flattered.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Thoughts
    , @Kylie
  131. Dissident says:
    @raga10

    Turning Hillary into Hilaria is hilarious in and of itself. That’s not anyone else’s real name, is it?

    Yes, it is actually a real name.

    This reminds me of one of the many rather ruthless verbal assaults that the late talk radio icon Bob Grant was known to dispatch callers with that I recall, this particular one from circa 1994-1995 if I recall correctly.

    [To a woman who had identified herself as “Dorothea”] What kind of a name is that anyway, Dorothea? What, the name Dorothy isn’t good enough for you? You have to make it Dorothea? How stupid! How pretentious!

    ~ ~ ~
    Re: the question of “speaking with a fake accent”, which I see has been raised. I recall reading, some years ago already, that it had been claimed that the signature highbrow accent of the late William F. Buckley, Jr. was an affectation.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  132. JimDandy says:
    @Anonymous

    Sicilians, what are you waiting for?

  133. Altai says:

    “You should probably give up your membership of the all-white Woodvale country club”
    “That is not an all-white club, what about Johnny Carlos? He’s ethninc”
    “He’s the king of Spain, Jack.”

    Though more broadly it seems like America’s cosmopolitan elites really do believe in ‘Spexico’.
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Spexico

    Probably because when America’s worldly upper middle class go on study abroad or vacation more generally in Europe they avoid Spain? Is it because they subconsciously associate Spanish with low class people?

  134. Up2Drew says:
    @JMcG

    Yep, it’s insidious. I binge-watched the first season of The Wire, and immediately starting saying stuff to my kids like, “Git yo ass to the box and bring me a 40, yo.”

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @JMcG
  135. Up2Drew says:
    @JMcG

    Also, I had a good friend at work who grew up in London. He said he was in America about ten minutes when he discovered that American girls really liked a British accent. He then smiled and said, in the broadest cockney accent ever, “And oy can be as Brit’ish as oy needs to be.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  136. @Thea

    Where in Spain or Ireland is Dr. Maturin from in the Master and Commander sea stories? Mallorca?

  137. @guest007

    It’s not unreasonable to ask that applicants claiming to be black have at least one grandparent who checked black.

    The 1950 Census will be released in 2022, so it’s hardly unreasonable to check if people claiming affirmative action benefits for being black in 2022 have one grandparent or two great-grandparents who checked black in 1950.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
  138. @Stramgram

    I stopped a man in Limerick in 1987 to ask directions, but he only spoke Gaelic. That was cool.

  139. @Up2Drew

    I had lunch with a friend from the San Fernando Valley in London in 1987. In a few years in Britain he’d developed an English accent, although by the end of the lunch after two hours talking to a home boy he’d lost it again.

    I think that’s pretty reasonable. Londoners actually do speak English better than us Valley Boys, so learning to speak like them in your 20s is impressive.

    I could never develop another accent, but that’s because I’m not terribly articulate nor am I terribly sensitive to my surroundings.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  140. Peterike says:
    @Jack D

    “ I have a friend who is a pharmaceutical researcher from Hong Kong”

    Sometimes I think Jack D is really part of the Sackler family.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  141. @Thea

    I dunno, I think it would piss a lot of men off. Especially if you are in the public eye. It’s almost as bad as being cuckolded, because everyone in the world now knows that the entire foundation of your family, including the naming of your children, was built on a lie. Now instead of being the attractive exotic mother of Alec Baldwin’s children who teaches yoga and posts on instagram, she is the race grifter who tricked a virtue-signaling celebrity into believing he was marrying a Selma Hayek type. It’s one thing to be a brash asshole and not care about people hating you for mocking Trump or whatever, a belligerent Irishman is used to that, thrives on it, but the shame of being tricked by your wife is one of those primal things. I suspect Alec would much rather look like an asshole than a fool. Yes, everyone already hated him, but now they are laughing at him. And his Irish-English heritage kids will be embarrassed too.

    “Why is your name Alejandro? Are you Spanish?”

    “No. My mom went to Spain for a summer then faked an accent and lied to my dad about being Spanish. My new stepmom is Spanish though.”

    As the Last Psychiatrist once said, narcissists don’t feel guilt, only shame.

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @OilcanFloyd
  142. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    The “conquistadors” were aristocrats, from the nobility and appointed to their positions in the Americas by the King Himself.

    Nah. Guys like Cortes, Coronado, Pizarro were sorta nobility. But all the guys behind them, the ones with the actual pikes, swords, crossbows — they were not nearly so noble. Many were soldiers who had just gotten done with crushing the last of the Moorish invaders. Some were youngest sons of noble families, guys with zero to inherit. They were working for pay, they were hoping for lands, they were lusting for gold – all the usual, noble, ambitions.

    Some got dead. The Aztecs captured a few Spaniards during the fighting in Tenochticlan, and made very sure to drag them up to the top of the big pyramid the next morning to sacrifice their hearts to the sun god, in full sightline of the other Spanish soldiers. Probably was supposed to scare the rest, seems to have actually enraged them.

    Aaaan….some got wealthy. At the age of 84, on his large estate in Central America, former common Spanish soldier Bernal Diaz wrote up his part of the conquest of what is now Mexico; “A True History of the Conquest of New Spain”. The book is still in print.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_verdadera_de_la_conquista_de_la_Nueva_Espa%C3%B1a

    The common Spanish soldiers were just that, and it’s mostly their Y chromosomes that descended to the Current Year in parts of Mexico, Puerto Rico, Dominica, and so forth.

  143. JMcG says:
    @Stramgram

    My father was from Donegal and had Irish as his first language. His brother speaks Irish very frequently even now, though as his generation dies off, the opportunities to do so grow fewer. I have an aunt who was a school teacher in Connaught, who would be thought of as having a good command of Irish, though not a native speaker. Her Irish would be the Official Standard version. She has a very hard time following him in conversation.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  144. JMcG says:
    @Up2Drew

    I really did laugh long and hard at that. Startled the hell out of my wife. Thanks!

  145. @R.G. Camara

    Yvonne deCarlo was arguably much hotter, but had the misfortune to end up playing Lily Munster while Carolyn Jones got the far better role on the far far better show.

    https://www.art.com/products/p48870428001-sa-i11045700/yvonne-by-carlo-1922-2007-actrice-d-origine-canadienne-naturalisee-americaine-b-w-photo.htm?upi=Q1C2ZGB0&PODConfigID=8363143&sOrigID=5217

  146. JMcG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    He was supposed to have been raised in the west of Ireland. Connemara or Clare – not sure it was mentioned specifically in the book. He had an assistant in some of the books who was an Irish monoglot and whose dialect he shared who I believe was from Clare.

  147. Thoughts says:
    @clyde

    She gave him a leg up in the Genetic Stakes…are the names that important?

    Thou who dost pushes thine spawn out through dine pussy gets to namest thine spawn

    Alec wanted Selma, Hillary gave him what he wanted! What better wife is there?!

  148. Thoughts says:
    @Steve Sailer

    My hunch is he was just being a prick

  149. Thoughts says:
    @Thea

    Alec probably knew, but she was fulfilling his fantasy

    This really isn’t about Hillary, it’s about Alec

    The real question you should all ask is why a pretty Boston girl from a good family wasn’t enough

    Alec is the one with the problem, going after the Selma Hayek types who he DOES NOT fit with…at all

    He’s lucky he found a white girl willing to play his game

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  150. Liza says:
    @jcd1974

    The kids’ names will be Alec’s daily reminder that he married a crazy woman.

    Now why would a rich intelligent popular talented man marry a crazy woman, when there’s sane ones available?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  151. @slumber_j

    The Galicians have prehistoric beehive huts like the ones in Ireland, but I think there are as many similarities between Wales/Cornwall/Brittany and the region. Britons fled there after the Saxon invasions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britonia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallaecia

    “At a far later date, the mythic history that was encapsulated in Lebor Gabála Érenn (the Irish ‘Book of Invasions’) credited Gallaecia as the point from which the Gaels sailed to conquer Ireland, as they had Gallaecia, by force of arms.”

    Most of the later Spanish/Irish links are like the Scottish/French “Auld Alliance”, directed against the English Normans, now wholly identified with England.

  152. @Thoughts

    “30 Rock” a decade ago had a long story arc about whether NBC executive Jack Donaghy (Alec Baldwin) should marry the notorious Hispanic murderess from Puerto Rico (Salma Hayek) or his working class Irish high school sweetheart from Boston Nancy Donovan (Julianne Moore).

    Evidently, Alec didn’t follow the writers’ advice.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  153. syonredux says:
    @jcd1974

    The kids are: daughter Carmen Gabriela, 7; son Rafael Thomas, 5; son Leonardo Ángel, 4; son Romeo Alejandro, 2; and son Eduardo ‘Edu’ Pao Lucas, 3 months.

    The kids’ names will be Alec’s daily reminder that he married a crazy woman.

    Indeed. A crazy woman whose real name is Hillary Hayword-Thomas. Talk about an uber-WASPY name. It sounds like the kind of moniker that one of Milburn Drysdale’s relatives would have had on THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES….

  154. PSR says:
    @Icy Blast

    Most Americans, especially the historically ignorant youths, are only familiar with mostly Indian Mexican and Central American peons they see at Walmart or putting on their new roof speaking Spanish.

  155. @Steve Sailer

    Stephen was born and mostly raised in Catalonia. He was the bastard child of a Fitzgerald, an officer serving in the English Army in Spain. He attended Trinity College in Dublin, and got along well with his Fitzgerald cousins who didn’t hold the circumstances of his birth against him. A childless uncle, or great-uncle, left him property, including a run-down castle, in Catalonia.

  156. syonredux says:

    Talk about dedication. Here’s a clip with “Hilaria” where she pretends not to know the English word for cucumber:

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  157. @Steve Sailer

    “Stephen Maturin, called by his Catalan family Esteban Maturin y Domanova, a Roman Catholic, is the illegitimate son of an Irish officer serving in the Spanish Army and a Catalan lady. He is cousin to the historical Lord Edward FitzGerald. As a boy he lived in Ireland, fostered by a family of pig-herders in Cahirciveen and County Clare, and spent his teenage years in Catalonia – most notably with his grandmother in Lleida, his uncle in Barcelona and his godfather in Ullastret.”

    Thus wiki. I think Maturin is originally a Huguenot surname. Btw, I’d forgotten this bit of history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Loyalist

  158. @Rockford Tyson

    The white trash were the ancestors of white Americans: potato Irish, estuary Englishmen, poor laborers from Hamburg, Poland and southern Italy, etc.

    It’s my understanding that being a conquistador was a way to move up the ladder, and that the governors were more likely to be of noble background.

    I don’t consider a person to be trash because he is a laborer, but many English and Scottish aristocrats and losers in noble squabbles went to the English colonies along with laborers, farmers, merchants, soldiers, and others. In a good portion of the colonies, the idea was to recreate the English social order. George Washington, Robert E. Lee and others of their class had ties to English aristocracy.

    The Spanish and Portuguese didn’t colonize, so Latin America was probably more of a mix of adventurers, soldiers, clergy, and aristocrats mixed with local women. Latin American slavery also consumed far more Africans, and was supposedly much more brutal than slavery in the English colonies and United States. If so, it’s funny that hispanics get a pass.

  159. bomag says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    All “Hispanic” means is that one has ancestry from Spain…

    I’d interpret it as being from a place that was historically Spanish; thus some guys who are 100% Mayan Indian qualify, being from a place ruled by Spain long enough to qualify.

  160. @raga10

    There was an early Christian named Saint Hilary who was martyred in the 4th century AD. He was a man.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  161. @Mr. Anon

    You didn’t pick up on “Truth”‘s meaning. He was implying that the lady is actually a dude. That’s his schtick – and his hang-up.

    Thanks. You’re right, i saw “person” but …. whoosh!, right over my aging brain. It happens more and more.

  162. Truth says:
    @MEH 0910

    That’s Mrs. Person.

    I chose my words quite precisely, and with Hollywood couples, I’m always wary of that

  163. Truth says:
    @AnotherDad

    Nothing odd about it–in fact natural.

    That one, I tend to doubt… (wink).

  164. Truth says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Grasshopper, you are catching on.

    I knew my 10-year internship program was going to provide dividends for you…eventually.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  165. @R.G. Camara

    In a crazy world such as ours, where being “Hispanic” or “latino” means you get more privileges than if you are non-Hispanic “white”, you can bet that whether you care or not, it cares about you.

    I don’t really think being from Spain garners anyone much in the way of special privileges.

  166. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frank McGar

    Wow! The kid thing really talks about 1) they’re nuts and 2) they’re deracinated, culture-less people, the elite American version of humble people in MEXICO who’ll name their kids Jonathan or Yenifer.

    Also, this is probably the result of a personal enemy that made the news kind of viral. So much superficial cohabitation with underlying animosity in today’s world.

    • Replies: @Frank McGar
  167. @Spud Boy

    She was born in Boston, Mass.

    I guess my eyes skipped over the part where she was lying about being born in Mallorca.

  168. Abe says:
    @jcd1974

    The kids are: daughter Carmen Gabriela, 7; son Rafael Thomas, 5; son Leonardo Ángel, 4; son Romeo Alejandro, 2; and son Eduardo ‘Edu’ Pao Lucas, 3 months.

    Hilarious! What, 4 boys and not one named Heh-Seuss? Top 6 Signs You May Be Married to an Iberian-LARPing Headcase:

    * tells the kids your your auto-insurance company’s cute reptilian spokescreature is really a Gila Monster
    * at school carnivals, always picks the black teardrop template at the face-painting booth
    * all your kids’ nightlights have Catholic saints on them
    * brags to friends your oldest son is a tennis prodigy, but only on clay court
    * baby-proofing kit she bought for the chewy vitamins comes with 3’ of twine and a thin wooden stick
    * after every new joyous addition to the family, insists you buy a home with one LESS bedroom

    (Thank you, I’m here all week)

  169. @Frank McGar

    Is it true that AB did not know she was a white girl, or was he going along with her LARPing?

    • Replies: @Frank McGar
  170. syonredux says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    It is the white Americans who are descended from the white trash of Europe. The Puritans were religious fanatics that no one liked in England.

    Don’t be a goon. The Puritans were a mass movement of people representing the “middling folk” of England (skilled craftsmen, yeoman farmers, etc) and their elite were university-trained ministers and magistrates:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cotton_(minister)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wheelwright

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Winthrop

    The colonial Chesapeake was more lower-class in origin, but the elite were drawn from armigerous families:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Berkeley_(governor)

    The “conquistadors” were aristocrats, from the nobility and appointed to their positions in the Americas by the King Himself.

    And they were massively out-numbered by the gutter-trash that made-up the bulk of the troops sent to the New World….and the “conquistadors’ themselves were not much to talk about. Pizarro, for example, was the illiterate bastard son of a military officer:

    Francisco Pizarro was born in Trujillo, Cáceres, Spain (then in the Crown of Castile) in modern-day Extremadura, Spain. He was the illegitimate son of infantry colonel Gonzalo Pizarro (1446–1522) and Francisca González, a woman of poor means. His date of birth is uncertain, but it is believed to be sometime in the 1470s, probably 1475. Little attention was paid to his education and he grew up illiterate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Pizarro

    • Replies: @Rockford Tyson
  171. @Steve Sailer

    I stopped a man in Limerick in 1987 to ask directions, but he only spoke Gaelic. That was cool.

    Were you going to St Ives? Did he have seven wives?

    Maybe Alec is just driven mad with passion by his wife speaking with a Spanish accent, like Gomez Adams can’t control his amour when Morticia speaks French?

    Esistono linguaggi ancora più efficaci per corteggiare le donne:

    Еще романтичнее говорить по-русски:

  172. epebble says:
    @Frank McGar

    Hilaria’s story has similarities to Anna Kashfi, A British woman born in India who pretended to be an Indian to get into Hollywood and married Marlon Brando (who had a fetish for exotic women) in 1957. Marlon was pissed when he found out that Anna was just a working class Welsh girl and not a real Indian. They divorced in 1959, though after having a son (who had a troubled life and died early). Anna Kashfi seems to have convinced herself that she is an Indian and claimed so rest of her life.

    https://www.tmz.com/2015/08/21/marlon-brando-first-wife-dies-anna-kashfi-dead/

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    , @PiltdownMan
  173. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:

    This is the kind of elaborate, multiple years lasting lie that you typically only see after junior high if you encounter a sociopath.

    In school, there’s always that kid who lies like this and keeps it up for years – insists that his dad has a Corvette, that his older brother was signed by a MLB club, that he goes to Disney World every month, etc. There was one kid in my class that insisted for years that his family had won millions in the Publishers’ Clearinghouse Sweepstakes and was fabulously rich.

    Adults lie of course, but this kind of years spanning ruse typically indicates some degree of sociopathy.

  174. raga10 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If it were a lie on the paperwork to get into school or get a scholarship easier via AA than I’d have no problem with it.

    Really? I see it the opposite way. If it was to get into school then I *would* have problem with that, because by lying she takes a place that could go to someone more deserving. But she is not taking anything away from anyone – sure, technically speaking she’s lying but her lies are harmless, so what’s the big deal? That she lies to people reading tabloids? Come on – just about every line printed in tabloids is a lie and even people reading them know that. They are not looking for truth, they just want entertainment.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  175. @syonredux

    Don’t be an dummy. The Puritans were religious zealots no better than Xiites. Saying that they were “ministers” is irrelevant. I am an atheist and I don’t hold in high regard religious zealots that are “educated” in nonsense. Saying that you are a religious scholar is like saying that you are an expert on fairies or elves.

    “And they were massively out-numbered by the gutter-trash that made-up the bulk of the troops sent to the New World….and the “conquistadors’ themselves were not much to talk about. Pizarro, for example, was the illiterate bastard son of a military officer:”

    No, the gutter trash were your white ancestors and that of most white Americans: Irish potato farmers, English estuary proles, Poles and Sicilians that were low-class and uneducated even by proletarian standards. Even if the original Puritans were a little more well-educated(despite their religious delusions), they represented a miniscule proportion of the ancestors of white Americans. The vast majority of white Americas are not descended from people that came in the Mayflower. Most white Americans are descended from the proletarian rabble of 19th century Europe!

  176. @Frank McGar

    As the Last Psychiatrist once said, narcissists don’t feel guilt, only shame.

    Do they feel either?

  177. @DextersLabRat

    She was your run-of-the-mill young woman in NYC running a modest yoga studio who immediately parlayed her marriage with a famous actor into a lucrative and high-profile career as a Latina wellness author, “influencer” and media personality. It’s a serious con.

    • Replies: @Thea
  178. Wilkey says:

    I’m going to keep saying what I’ve been saying, just so the message gets out: when you apply for a job or a bank loan, or when your kid applies to college or takes the SAT or ACT, lie about your race and ethnicity.

    We need to bring this system down. Why the hell would you support a system that is out to destroy you?

    • Agree: By-tor
  179. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:

    She seems to darken her hair, tan, and do her eyebrows and makeup in a way to look stereotypically Spanish or Latin.

    From vaguely hearing about her in the news over the years in stories about Alec Baldwin, I had assumed she was from Latin America. I didn’t even know she claimed to be from Spain, and it’s not something you would expect. You wouldn’t expect someone to lie about being from a Western European country because that’s something you’d expect could be easily checked and would be exposed. Perhaps that’s part of why the lie worked – people wouldn’t think someone would lie about being from a W. Euro country with stable government, records of birth and residency, documentation, etc.

  180. @Jim Don Bob

    That’s something I guess we’ll probably never know. I doubt AB would ever cop to that, as it would make him look even worse IMO. Giving your kids Spanish names based on a LARP to get woke points? …oof. But if there’s one thing that social media has revealed, it’s that these celebrities are even more mentally ill than we thought, and platforms like twitter appear to be nothing more than giant id-feeding machines.

    • Agree: JMcG
  181. @Mr. Anon

    I remember when she died and thought it was tragic. Her career seemed to be on an upswing at that time.

  182. Daniel H says:
    @anon

    Nah. Guys like Cortes, Coronado, Pizarro were sorta nobility. But all the guys behind them, the ones with the actual pikes, swords, crossbows — they were not nearly so noble. Many were soldiers who had just gotten done with crushing the last of the Moorish invaders.

    The classic hidalgo. HIjo De ALGuien, son of somebody, “I’m a big-shot”, similar to the Norman Fitz and Portuguese Fidalgo. Hijo, Filho and Fitz derive from the same Latin root.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Joe Joe
  183. Thea says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    It’s ok to be gutter trash.

    Why is one as lofty as thou art posting to the hoi polloi like us riff raff anyhow?

    • Replies: @JMcG
  184. Mr. Anon says:
    @Truth

    Yeah, we get it. You’re a weirdo who made some bad decisions. And you project your coping mechanism onto the rest of the World.

    • Replies: @Truth
  185. @Steve Sailer

    I could never develop another accent, but that’s because I’m not terribly articulate nor am I terribly sensitive to my surroundings.

    Though a fellow inarticulate with a poor ability to pick out individual words in other languages, I’ve managed to develop the ability to imitate other tongues well enough to fool native speakers for a few sentences, or a whole song. Indeed, a poor ear in one aspect can be an advantage in another, just like a blind man will build up augmented hearing skills.

    Some tips:

    [MORE]

    ⁍ Mock the target language speaker’s accent in your own. Carry those mistakes over into the other, where they will be at home. Try pronouncing your third language with a second language’s accent– Ich spreche Daw-tscha wie italie-en-er.

    ⁍ Listen for subtle differences in phonemes– or read about them on the pronunciation page of the better course books– such as aspiration, which is common in Germanic languages and absent in Romance. Danish and Somali share the American tendency (e.g. little, water) to voice unvoiced consonants. This will help with Chinese, which uses both and where the difference is critical.

    ⁍ Listen for the part of the head involved. Point of resonation is key. A Finn remarked that Anglophones speaking her tongue shoved everything through the nose. English is apparently very nasal. Thus pulling one’s Finnish back into the sinuses or wherever will thus improve the sound a lot. Danish is spoken far back in the throat, Swedish much farther to the front. French is ping-pong– remember Babar’s little brother-in-law Artur. Ahhhr-TÜÜÜHHHR

    ⁍ Familiar phonemes will pop up in the strangest environments. E.g., the English r is one of the rarest in the world. But it is found in, of all places, the Peking dialect of Chinese.

    ⁍ Listen closely to catchy songs sung by native speakers. Forget the words, just imitate the syllables and rhythm. This makes the process fun. However, keep in mind that folk songs are often in dialect–“comin’ for to take me away…”

    ⁍ Jump around from language to language, and in different families. This helps with both differences and similarities of sounds.

    ⁍ There were– and maybe still are– theater books that train actors in various accents, native and foreign. These alert you to what to listen for.

    A Dane who instructed me in her language and German praised my “natural” ability to speak. This was infuriating, but I bit my tongue and told her, “No. it’s practice, practice, practice.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  186. @Steve Sailer

    Steve, were you in Ireland to find your roots or to buy a six pack?

  187. Cortes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Chances are he was being obnoxious. Similar things occur in places like Catalonia, where petty people feign complete ignorance of Castilian Spanish. And as Jarvis Cocker reminds us (“Common People”) – “Everybody hates a tourist”; I used to commute to Edinburgh and was constantly amazed at how badly locals treated visitors. In retrospect, being expected to behave as unpaid auxiliaries in someone else’s business model would get old quickly.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  188. anon[908] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    I am an atheist and I don’t hold in high regard religious zealots that are “educated” in nonsense.

    C’mon, man, you already get to poast continuously as dfordoom, you don’t really need a second handle.

  189. Dissident says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You finally got a new lolcat. Congratulations!

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  190. According to rules of woke liberalism, coming from an underdog country or culture gives you extra Pokemon points. Spain is a white country, but it’s poorer than Northern European countries and over the last century hasn’t been as politically dominant as countries like Germany, England and the US. Hence, being Spanish is more woke than being English or French or WASP American. You can also get extra Pokemon points for being Irish. Until recently, Ireland was an underdog country and people in more successful white countries (like England) tended to look down on the Irish as being backward losers.

    An interesting exception to this is Eastern Europe. There don’t seem to be many Pokemon points for claiming to be Polish or Russian, even though Eastern Europeans are poorer than Greeks or Spaniards and have had a tough time over the last century or so. I can only guess its because Slavs are seen as dull, conservative, and prone to being nationalistic, which undermines their underdog status.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  191. @Fräulein Dresden

    Yes it’s gay black slang. I was using it in an ironic, jocular fashion.

  192. @Liza

    Now why would a rich intelligent popular talented man marry a crazy woman, when there’s sane ones available?

    I’ll bet that celebrities have real trouble meeting normal people. Almost everybody around them is on the make.

    • Agree: Liza
  193. @Anon

    You’re right, it very likely was someone they knew. Can’t say Alec didn’t have it coming though – if he was a normal guy who kept to himself I doubt this would have ever come out. But Alec is gonna Alec.

  194. @Jack D

    If you perpetrate a scam like this that has no possible outcome where it doesn’t blow up in your face in a humiliating denouement then something is wrong with you. She was telling a completely implausible lie about herself that could be easily debunked by any of the hundreds of people who knew her in high school, while becoming a public figure. Was Bernie Madoff mentally ill? I guess I dunno, I’m not a psychiatrist or psychologist. Something was wrong with him, though. He was, at the very least craven and grossly immoral. This is more amusing because the lie was so inconsequential, but the story implies something is wrong with the way this woman makes decisions and conducts her life in a profound way.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    , @Thea
  195. I relate this to the unexplained part of the Obama birthplace conspiracy, even though so much of it has been scrubbed from online, and he’s never cared to clarify. It may even be part of the reason we have so little access to papers he wrote in college. He grew up surrounded by people with a strong cosmopolitan mindset, where the more “international” your upbringing, the more social cachet it lent you. I’ve met a lot of people like this. So when he was growing up, surrounded by expats, diplomats, and well-travelled intellectuals, marked out early for some multicultural career, he either didn’t bother to correct people when they assumed and noted he was born in Kenya, or perhaps he even lied about it himself.

    Many actors and professionally adjacent people have strong fantasist tendencies, which can be wonderful for the craft of acting and storytelling, not so much for “real life”. See: Meghan Markle. Consequently they often draw other fantasists into their personal lives. Hilaria apparently was prone to adopting a Spanish background in high school long before meeting Baldwin.

    People can be evasive about their background, hinting or sometimes outright claiming to be from somewhere they are not, not out of shame over their real story, nor out of any means to an end, but because they fantasize about it being true. But if they are then rewarded socially for this deception, the fantasy might turn into an actual grift, like it did romantically and professionally for Hilaria.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  196. @Rockford Tyson

    Don’t be an dummy… miniscule…

    Don’t be an bad speller, either.

    Even if the original Puritans were a little more well-educated (despite their religious delusions), they represented a min[u]scule proportion of the ancestors of white Americans. The vast majority of white Americas are not descended from people that came in the Mayflower.

    Or an bad historian or an bad demographer. Plymouth and Jamestown were indeed small and shaky beginnings. Not the Winthrop fleet, which numbered in the tens of thousands and bred like mink for a century or two. Expressed concisely in Edward Rutherford’s New York:

    In the second half of King Charles’s reign, however, something completely different occurred. The Puritans of England started leaving. From the south, the east, the west, they gathered in groups, sometimes families, sometimes whole communities, and took ship across the Atlantic. There was hardly a week when a vessel wasn’t sailing from somewhere. From the mid-1630s, King Charles of England lost about a fiftieth of all his subjects in this manner. Gentlemen like Winthrop, young men of means like Harvard, merchants and craftsmen, laborers and preachers, with their wives and children and servants– they all took ship for America, to avoid King Charles and his Archbishop. This was the first real peopling of the American colonies, and it took place in little more than a decade.

    (Rutherford continues: “King Charles never seemed to have felt any embarrassment at this loss. Indeed, it wasn’t a loss; more of a gain.”)

    Most white Americans are descended from the proletarian rabble of 19th century Europe!

    Most white Americans are also descended from colonials. There is quite a bit of overlap. When the Irish landed during the famine, there were over fifteen million white Americans to greet them. In 1880, after a deadly civil war, over forty million. The vast majority were of Old American stock.

    Even Barack Obama is around one percent Winthrop fleet. And don’t forget the “proletarian rabble” of 18th century Britain and Ireland.

  197. So Alec Baldwin married another bad actor, who’d have thunk it.

    • LOL: northeast
    • Replies: @northeast
  198. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:

    Lying and embellishment about one’s background is quite common among aspiring actors, aspiring celebrities, and social climbers who move to NYC and LA. But typically it’s not this extensive and elaborate.

    According to her Wiki, Hilaria’s background is at the very least solidly upper-middle class. She may be upper class depending on her family’s wealth.

    After prep school, she went to NYU where she participated in ballroom dance, and then after graduation she opened a yoga studio in Manhattan’s West Village. She could have pursued a conventional upper middle class career track and social circle, but her choices and path suggest that she aspired to be part of the celebrity and media/entertainment scene. A yoga studio in the West Village is a way to gain access to fashionable people and celebrities.

    Now while she’s certainly an attractive woman, she is not at the model/supermodel caliber level that gains automatic access into this NYC scene/celebrity world. And her family/social background doesn’t appear to be the kind that does either. Her family isn’t uber wealthy, her parents aren’t celebrities themselves, her family isn’t royalty or aristocratic, etc. She doesn’t seem particularly talented either as she’s not an actress, musician, artist, etc.

    For a social climber in NYC, a preppy, upper middle class background is fairly dime a dozen and not enough without model level looks or talent or personality. She would need some sort of hook, and presumably this is where the lying about her background came in. Being vaguely exotic and foreign and from Spain and Europe would make her more interesting and stand out and more memorable and popular when she lacked in other dimensions. And it worked out for her in terms of making her a minor celebrity and snagging for her a wealthy celebrity husband, though of course it also suggests some personality issues.

    There was actually a similar case in NYC recently of a young Russian woman who was able to get into NYC’s elite party and wealthy set by pretending to be a German heiress:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/nyregion/anna-delvey-sorokin-verdict.html

  199. fnn says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    She’s a yoga teacher.

    IIRC, her mother was a med school prof and her father was a law school professor.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  200. @Peter D. Bredon

    Could explain why Latino men (especially those with White Spanish or White Portugese ancestry) are regarded as such huge horndogs.

  201. @Thoughts

    King James Bible.

    “Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire”

    Men crave strange flesh. Sometimes women do too.

  202. @Reg Cæsar

    One more tip, borrowed from the Sudnow method of piano teaching: Do it perfectly the first time, and every time. The secret is to do it as slowly as possible, but the right way. Don’t speed up till you’ve gotten it down pat. When you do get up to normal speed, your muscles will be trained to do it only one way. Mistakes would be unnatural.

    The late David Sudnow started his course off with “Misty”, using full block chords. There was the risk of carpal tunnel syndrome, but after about six weeks, you could play it convincingly in a piano bar. Everything else was downhill from there.

    He gave his students only one exercise: memorize all twelve major keys, and play them through (perfectly, of course) at the start of each session. This is transferable to pronunciation, which is also largely muscular.

  203. syonredux says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    The Puritans were religious zealots no better than Xiites.

    Considerably better, dear fellow. They were English, a superior breed.

    Saying that they were “ministers” is irrelevant.

    University trained, dear fellow. In contrast to illiterate bastards like Pizarro…

    Saying that you are a religious scholar is like saying that you are an expert on fairies or elves.

    In the case of 17th century clergymen trained at Cambridge, it also means that you are thoroughly trained in Greek and Latin, philosophy, ….

    Again, much more intelligent than the rabble coming over from Iberia…

    No, the gutter trash were your white ancestors and that of most white Americans: Irish potato farmers, English estuary proles, Poles and Sicilians that were low-class and uneducated even by proletarian standards.

    Dear fellow, approx half of all Americans are of colonial descent….

    And one must bear in mind that the Iberian rabble interbred with the Amerinds….

    Germans, Irish, Italians>Amerinds…..

    And, again, Iberia was just not all that impressive a place. Even Spain’s Golden Age was not all that golden when you compare it to what was going on in the rest of Western Europe.Spain from 1500-1650 was just keeping up (barely) with England, France, Italy, etc.Afterwards, it fell far behind:

    Between 1650 and 1850-during the same two centuries when Britain, France, and Germany were producing hundreds of significant figures and even Italy in its decline produced several dozen-Spain produced a single major figure (Goya) and 11 significant figures. (Murray, Human Accomplishment , 338

    • Agree: clyde, Bill Jones
    • Thanks: HammerJack
  204. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    He probably didn’t want to deal with you. In that part of Ireland almost no one speaks Gaelic on a daily basis.

    Irish love the IDEA of speaking their own language and not the language of their hated conquerors in the abstract but most can’t actually speak Gaelic and even if they can, they have to speak English most of the time in order to be understood by their fellow citizens, except in a few small pockets. The government wastes a huge amount of money trying to teach everyone Irish but mostly to little effect. Sure everyone can sing a few songs and maybe some phrases that they learned in school but it’s just not the language of daily interaction and it hasn’t been for hundreds of years in most of the country.

    In some respects, it would have been cool if they had been able to switch Ireland back to its original language the way that Israel switched to Hebrew (virtually the only time in history this has happened), but it would have been a massive effort and the end result would have made them LESS competitive economically since being an English speaking country is an advantage in today’s world so it is in a way fortunate that they did not succeed.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @JMcG
    , @Prof. Woland
  205. @Hoyt Thorpe

    They all already are and are Irish now.

  206. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:

    Ethnic chameleonism is or was clearly a heavy iron or sand wedge in any female striver’s bag of tricks. This is so common and storied in human history the worst you can say is that Hillary’s timing was very SLIGHTLY off. Before Obama’s “Most-Racial” era engulfed the 2010s it was a no-brainer for an ambitious woman to keep trying various social techniques of making herself exotic until landing on the first one that clicked. See: all 60s/70s/80s pop singers.

    She’ll draw her 2 minutes of hate now but Hillary did successfully execute the quintessential NYC maneuver after all and I’d bet most of her detractors are just insane from envy rather than any coherent political belief. When you already have a lot going for you it is easy to survive tawdry scandals du jour, AKA Silly Season. She’s got a head start on running for Democratic VP some day, at the absolute least. If one craves glory don’t be hesitant like Liz Warren, be the shamelessly Nietzschean blond or I guess, brunet beast

  207. Wilkey says:
    @Dissident

    Re: the question of “speaking with a fake accent”, which I see has been raised. I recall reading, some years ago already, that it had been claimed that the signature highbrow accent of the late William F. Buckley, Jr. was an affectation.

    Buckley lived in several different countries while growing up, Mexico, France, and England among them. While his accent may have been an affectation, you could also say that it was him choosing one of the accents to which he was exposed for a large percentage of his education and upbringing.

    “Hilaria” Baldwin changed her name, died her hair, and probably used tanning lotion or visited tanning salons to make herself look more Spanish. She routinely implied that she was raised in Spain, and even avoided directly answering questions about where she was from.

    The real scandal here isn’t some “white” woman “culturally appropriating” a “Hispanic” ethnicity. This is more like a #MeToo moment. Not #MeToo in the sense of the Media Industry’s rape problem, but in the way that the media protects its own from scrutiny or punishment until they decide they don’t like you or until it can no longer be realistically ignored. There will never be a skit about Hilaria Baldwin, for example, on SNL, so long as she is Alec Baldwin’s wife. How many SNL cast members and writers met Hilaria during cast parties or during one of Alec Baldwin’s all-too-frequent appearances on the show and said to themselves (and others) “This ‘Spanish’ woman is full of shit”?

    Those interviewing her never bothered to challenge her blatantly false claims about her upbringing. Some no-name on Twitter had to do that.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  208. guest says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Of course, race-appropriation is not the only “problem” in the world. I for one resent phony accents and false claims of being born abroad. Especially in places that keep changing their spellings, like Majorca.

    But that’s me. This article certainly wants to imply she’s robbing the Spanish peoples of their racial specialness. But that is a problem with this article.

  209. guest says:
    @JimDandy

    The harm is annoying me with fake lisps.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  210. J.Ross says:
    @Alt Right Moderate

    … that plus Eastern Europeans won the famously eternal ire of the people who make the rules.

    • Agree: mark green
  211. guest says:
    @Prof. Woland

    There isn’t any good reason to believe a real fascist shall rise. Unless by fascist you mean simply someone who throws leftists from helicopters.

    The response to he or she shall be sexual arousal and fear.

  212. Cortes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Many of the “Wild Geese” ended up in Spain.

    And then there’s Molly Bloom.

  213. @Frank McGar

    What’s the over-under on the divorce? I give it a year.

    Don’t know.

    They’ve got five kids, and she’s 25-26 years his junior … and has kept in shape. I doubt he blows this thing up.

    My take: the danger zone is 10-15 years out when he starts getting actually elderly–pushing up to 75-80 and she’s still in late 40s and starts to think even the pool boy would be more fun–and heck the kids are almost all off to college. Half of a packet is still … a really nice packet.

    • Replies: @Frank McGar
  214. Cortes says:
    @Cortes

    Should have added: Limerick is an odd place. I enjoyed the short time I spent there a few years ago, but it has a “rep”:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/limerick-is-now-the-official-murder-capital-of-europe-26439858.html

    The Irish version of News of the World seems to include regular features of various local Shannon lowlifes in its coverage of what I think of as “nickname gangsters” – a coverage usually dominated by figures from Northern (UK) Ireland: drug-peddlers, human-traffickers and other dismal trades.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  215. @Jack D

    Amy Chua has said that she had a slight accent until she was about 9 or 10, realized it, and worked hard to eradicate it.

    If you have a very musical ear, it’s not difficult to feign accents, but most can’t.

    Hilaria Baldwin’s accent was always phony as a $3 bill and I am enjoying her humiliation.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Jack D
  216. @Bruce Charlton

    That’s two out of hundreds. Stokowski did that because he was ashamed of his origins and perhaps rightly so. Not like Hilaria Baldwin, who comes from an upper-crust WASP background.

    Du Pre was an eccentric genius who may have been faking an Israeli accent, but I can’t say, I never listened to her speaking voice, only her extraordinary playing. I never noticed Barenboim trying to sound French.

    Any others?

  217. @Frank McGar

    Baldwin used to be a huge cocaine addict.

  218. Dan Hayes says:
    @Dissident

    Alec: Nuttier than a fruitcake and viciously
    violent to boot! My respect for any woman that lives with this certified nut case. And the kids look great 😎

  219. @clyde

    Except Rafael received the middle name Thomas, not Tomás, for whatever reason.

  220. Mulegino1 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Bill Dana did a much better job than Hilaria. Besides which, it was funny as hell.

  221. JMcG says:
    @Thea

    I think he’s the subcon that used to post as Thomm. He writes in a very similar way.

  222. @John Up North

    The Mayflower Pilgrims’ Thanksgiving was an Elizabethan celebration of the defeat of the Spanish Armarda (1588).

  223. anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    Will no one point out just how amusing, how funny, how downright risible the whole “Spanish” thing is?

    Is Mrs. Baldwin not…Hilarias ?

  224. Dan Hayes says:
    @Jack D

    An Irish academic once told me that there were plans to form a college with courses conducted in Irish with a very academically and motivationally select student body. Have these plans ever materialized?

  225. What the heck, Spanish (Mexican, Puerto Rican, and others from south of the Rio Grande) girls are easy and an indication their Caucasian male pursuers have low self esteem and/ or low morals. He couldn’t handle Kim Basinger.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  226. JMcG says:
    @Jack D

    Sadly, you are correct here. The open armed embrace of the EU and globalism in its most destructive form have really doomed the Irish language and, indeed, Irishness itself. Ireland has never had the confidence to feel a part of the modern world. The introduction of the 12.5% corporate income tax in the 90s, coupled with a well-educated, English speaking workforce led to the invasion of the American multinationals and the rest is, sadly, history.
    Ireland is rapidly becoming a photographic negative of Switzerland. Badly governed, less well educated than in the past, no skills except for grifting the low tax environment. The EU just threw them under the bus in the Brexit deal, but they haven’t and won’t acknowledge it.
    As soon as the EU demands tax equality, they are f**ked.
    It’s the same thing that happened to the Boy Scouts, but even more tragic.
    One note though: Irish is never referred to as Gaelic in Ireland. The language is called Gaeilge in Irish. It’s a lovely thing to hear and to speak.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  227. @unit472

    Lord Stansgate became plain Tony Benn. Benn’s son reclaimed the title on his father’s death.

  228. Kylie says:
    @Thea

    “The only people who this offend are less attractive single white liberal women. She used it to get what they wish to have. Spaniards should be flattered.”

    You’re missing the point, dear. She didn’t pretend to be of Spanish descent because she thinks Spanish culture is so cool. She did it because Spaniards tend to have darker skin than many other Europeans and because of the faulty Spanish=Latina equation. This was the best way to present herself as a Woman of Color and thus, be on-trend and appeal to the white-bread-and-cracker Baldwin. She could hardly frizz her hair, spray on some tan and pass herself off as a Nubian princess.

    I’m offended by it because I actually do think Spanish culture is cool. I was taught the literature by a Spaniard born in Madrid. Yes, I have read Don Quixote in Spanish as well as the poetry of Becquer, Platero y yo, etc. And I love it. I’d be even more offended if I had Spanish ancestry.

    She’s a thirsty piece of work who appropriated aspects of a marvelous culture to get fame and fortune. And no, she doesn’t have anything I want. I wouldn’t do that pudgy celeb she snagged with her equipment or that of the other Hillary.

    • Thanks: Thea
    • Troll: Thoughts
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Thea
  229. @Jack D

    I don’t know why folks are defending this shameless hussy.

    I don’t like crooks, hustlers and liars. I’m a midwestern straight shooter. But i’ll defend this “shameless hussy”:

    Her scam was harmless. Her scam wasn’t a Bermie Madoff theft. Nor a Wall Street grift. Her lies weren’t even like the car dealers tedious repetitive wheedling lies to screw the last dollar out of you. Or the real estate agent’s. Her lies are utterly nonexistent compared to what the media trots out everyday. The people taking her to task have spent four years lying like i breathe. And her lies are like shining rays of divine light from heaven compared to what minoritarian ideologues and Democrat politicians pump out–“racism!”, “nation of immigrants”, “diversity is our greatest strength”, BLM nonsense. Lies that have degraded and are destroying my nation.

    In contrast, her lie is harmless. Basically the lie of an actress performing a desired role. Her biggest “grift” was getting Baldwin to put a ring on it–and she’s fairly rewarded him not with divorce, but with five kids … and still a lithe figure to enjoy. Compared to our business, cultural, media and political elites, Halaria’s the picture of honesty and honest labor.

    I don’t want to call her a hero, but the results of her body of “work”:

    — She’s further exposed the insane anti-white bias. And in particular, shown the ridiculousness of this “Hispanic” scam–America’s single official (and privileged) ethnic category one that has absolutely nothing to do with the people who actually founded and built America.

    — She’s propagandized the joys–“coolness”–of motherhood, esp. “breeder” motherhood.

    — She’s popped our five seemingly healthy well put together white American kids.

    Imagine America where there were more “Hilaria” level white women “breeders” popping out five kids with successful white men. (Granted Baldwin is really rich, we need women doing it with engineers, scientists, technicians, tradesmen, businessmen. Life in a four bedroom house in the suburbs isn’t hell.) An America that was breeding rather than immigrating its future.

  230. @Harry Baldwin

    , the latter had none.

    Agreed. Which is why its quite astonishing to remember that she was able to keep Jack Nicholson, of all people, tethered to her for so many years. My theories about that are:

    1. As a “statuesque” woman and not a true beauty and exuding no sex appeal, she knew she had to work harder with Jack, and so was off-the-charts in bed.

    2. She let Jack stray whenever he wanted.

    3. Jack, perhaps the greatest actor of all time, was enamored of her due to his worship of her father, legendary director and actor John Huston.

    4. Jack thought he was ready to settle down, and truly did love her.

    5. She had a psychological whip over Jack, i.e. she was amazingly manipulative of him.

    Of course, however it worked, it stopped working after a while, and we’ve seen in the 30 years after Jack return to his amazing caddish ways, stealing, for example, Lara Flynn Boyle away from her boyfriend, or openly hitting on a smitten-acting Jennifer Lawrence at the Academy Awards. Those young hotties seem infinitely more his type than Anjelica.

  231. Thoughts says:
    @epebble

    Not really, Anna Kashfi is definitely not white

  232. Thoughts says:
    @AnotherDad

    Alec is part of the problem…his own Wife wasn’t good enough for him until she became Hispanic, Foreign, Exotic

    The Alec types are a big problem, glad he got scammed in the most positive way

  233. @Mr. Anon

    She had a very 1920s flapper look: big eyes, short hair, skinny physique. She would not have been out of place playing second fiddle to Clara Bow in a silent film.

    The wig and the form fitting black dress worked wonders for her to make her into a sex pot rather than a gamine, and the 1950s-early 60s emphasis on curvier women/bombshells (Marylin Monroe had her big hits during this time), that’s probably the best she could’ve done and why she didn’t get more of a career boost. But given that Audrey Hepburn was emerging she probably could’ve chosen roles more gamine as she aged.

    She also married future TV schlockmeister Aaron Spelling. Likely bad for her, because he didn’t really make shows starring innocent doe-eyed girls.

  234. Thoughts says:
    @415 reasons

    Nah she’s just smart and has balls

    You know how you tell kids ‘If you work hard, be smart, make good decisions…you’ll be successful’

    What better decision could Hillary have made? She followed that advice perfectly to great success.

    And it can’t blow up on her…everyone loves her on social media and Alec ain’t going to divorce that body

  235. @Kylie

    I wouldn’t do that pudgy celeb she snagged with her equipment or that of the other Hillary.

    Excellent, Kylie!

  236. Thea says:
    @Kylie

    But she isn’t allowed to celebrate her actual heritage.

    Humans want to belong and feel connection with people we have something in common with. We enjoy positive acknowledgement our ancestors.

    We have been robbed of this so it squeezes out in weird ways. Her main offense, and the cause of her downfall, is fame-whoring. She actually likes and has a (minimal) connection to Spain.

    I am not French but I studied it and visited France. I was over the moon to be mistaken for Québécois.I corrected them but can relate.

  237. @unit472

    As I think has been pointed out elsewhere, Paul Fussell in his book on the hidden class system in America, Class, observed that real Upper Class folks give names like Duke or Prince to their dogs.

    One thing folks black and White do (Hispanics, I don’t think do it at all) is misuse “II” for Jr. Being from Detroit helps me remember, as the Fords did it correctly.

    Henry Ford + Mary Edsel; Son, Edsel (mother’s maiden name); grandson (by Edsel) Henry II; otherwise he would have been called Edsel Jr.

    This I think is how WASP elites wind up with names like McGeorge Bundy or Kingman Brewster.

  238. @Steve Sailer

    Many shipwrecked seamen of the Spanish Armarda were washed up on the shores of western Ireland. Spanish surnames are not uncommon in modern Eire.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  239. @vhrm

    I’m sure there must be some Canadian influence on Detroit’s accent (White people, black folks sound black everywhere) but nothing so obvious as saying “eh” or “aboot.” However, I also went to college in Canada and I somehow picked up “PRO-ject” and “PRO-gress” after taking a class on Existentialism, and have never been able to shake it.

    • LOL: vhrm
    • Replies: @Stealth
  240. @Abe

    I thought you were going for Cthulhu there for a moment.

    I think Blackadder, as per usual, nailed it (as it were).

  241. @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, I was going to mention how George, in that “Elaine thinks her boyfriend is maybe black” episode already mentioned above, George and the others take turns cringing and saying “I don’t think we’re supposed to be talking about this.”

  242. Thea says:
    @415 reasons

    What if the “something that is wrong with her” is that she would just really enjoy being part of a culture that can celebrate their heritage?

  243. @AnotherDad

    Even at his age he would have no problem upgrading, considering his status. But the cost of the divorce with all those kids might keep him from bucking.

  244. @AnotherDad

    I could see the argument that it is cynically opportunistic but harmless to exploit the naive conflation of Spain and American designations of Hispanic as a race. However, I don’t think it’s harmless to deceive so many people for so long, and especially to rope her own children into her facade. For example, she posted a Instagram video featuring her daughter on Martin Luther King day, asking the little girl to compare her arm with her own (fake-tanned) arm. Whose skin is darker? Did you know there are people who think less of others for having a different skin color?

    Surely the measure of a good mother and wife is about a whole lot more than having many children and staying hot and fit. She didn’t seem to care about manipulating, confusing, and ultimately hurting her own children, and possibly her husband too (who happens to be awful in his own ways). Please don’t reduce it to: Attractive white wife loves to breed with successful white husband, who cares about their characters and values? If only there were more like them!

    • Agree: notsaying, Dissident
    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @epebble
    , @AnotherDad
  245. Truth says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Speaking about your marriage again?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Thomm
  246. @epebble

    It is entirely possible that Anna Kashfi was Anglo-Indian, a distinct Indian community of mixed race descendants of British colonialists who took Indian wives in the 17th, 18th and early 19th centuries. She certainly looked like she was part-Indian.

    The British positioned them as a kind of intermediate caste, with Anglo-Indians getting first preference for jobs in the railroad companies, ahead of English speaking educated Indians.

    The topic gets discussed in the UK from time to time.

    Prince William’s Indian DNA piques interest, not innuendo

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/21/prince-william-indian-dna-interest

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Paperback Writer
  247. @Abe

    Dumb, ~120 IQ whites who think they can make an entire career out of guiding even dimmer whites

    An IQ of 120 isn’t dumb, but our culture is. Grifters willing to exploit uncertainty about adhering to woke culture, maybe even by working to convince themselves of the validity of such preoccupations, are working in their self interest- at least in the medium run. Of course there are long-term implications of widespread sellout, but that’s as much a moral question as it is a cognitive one.

  248. epebble says:
    @PiltdownMan

    She seems to have been an Indian Rachel Dolezal way. (But she was born in India; so that makes her an Indian by Birthplace)

    So too were revelations about Kashfi’s ethnic heritage. The day after their surprise marriage, a factory worker in Cardiff, Wales, told the Associated Press, “That’s our Joan!” William Patrick O’Callaghan and his wife, Phoebe, said the new Mrs. Brando was their estranged daughter — not the daughter of a wealthy Indian architect named Devi Kashfi, as she had claimed.

    The couple said they had raised Joan in India, where O’Callaghan was with the Indian state railway service, until she was 13. Then they moved to Cardiff, where she completed school and worked in a fish-and-chips shop before turning to modeling and acting. Baptism records and other documents backed up their account.

    In her memoir, Kashfi said O’Callaghan was actually her stepfather, and that she was the product of an “unregistered alliance” between the architect, who died weeks before her wedding, and an Indian woman named Selma Ghose.

    https://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-anna-kashfi-20150825-story.html

  249. @AnotherDad

    “She’s propagandized the joys–“coolness”–of motherhood, esp. “breeder” motherhood.”

    She has a nanny for every kid. How many nannies do YOU have?

  250. MEH 0910 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    If Truth isn’t merely trolling, I think his range of delusions are due to neurological injury or illness. I don’t know if there’s a given name for the delusional disorder that all women are actually men.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

    • Replies: @Truth
  251. @PiltdownMan

    I think you’re right. Her father, William O’Callaghan, worked for the railroad in India. He claimed to be 100% Irish but I think he was Anglo-Indian. Railway jobs were reserved for Anglo-Indians. And in his day, you lied about being 100% white, you didn’t run away from it.

  252. @AnotherGuessModel

    I suspect that at least part of this is her / his attempt to inoculate themselves from PC-woke threat. I also suspect that is part of the reason Alec Baldwin is so over the top anti-Trump.

    He is in a business where one slip up or one small accusation could ruin his career and reputation. Better to have a talisman or shield to protect him from woke culture run amok. Just one video of him using the N-word and he could be back narrating Thomas the Tank Engine.

    • Replies: @Liza
  253. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    Matching plaid pajamas appears to be the secret sauce:

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  254. @anon

    A Hildago was in function a heritable knighthood. Are knights not noble?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  255. JMcG says:
    @Cortes

    That article is out of date. Limerick is a dump, but Dublin is definitely the violent crime capital of Ireland now. The drug trade is hugely lucrative and there are now gangs of africans roaming around doing what they do.
    The rest of the country seems to see the criminality as a sign they’ve arrived as a modern nation. The police are hilariously incompetent and the judiciary ridiculously lenient on violent crime.

    • Thanks: Cortes
  256. She feigned to be a first language Spanish speaker as a supposedly native Mallorcan, but Mallorca isn’t really Spanish speaking, they mainly speak Catalan, which anyone who has spent any time in Mallorca and speaks a little bit of Spanish should know. They understand Spanish, of course, but they understand German, English and French as well.

  257. MEH 0910 says:
    @Prof. Woland

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pajama_Boy

  258. @415 reasons

    The fact that “tea” has gone from black drag queen slang from the 80s to being casually used on a dissident right internet comment thread is fascinating. The linguistics minor in me is geeking out.

  259. danand says:
    @AnotherDad

    “But they sure look like a great family. Like to see more prosperous people put more of their prosperity into having children.”

    Agree with you there, seems as though over time more and more of the people I come across, those with “good” genetics, and who seem as though they would make great parents, remain childless.

    Alex’s wife does appear to be fun:

    hill

    hill 4

    hill 7

    hill7

    hill 2

    hill 8

    Look on their child’s face about says it.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @Jim Don Bob
  260. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer


    [MORE]

    Blerg!

    “30 Rock” seemingly predicted Alec Baldwin’s future long before his wife Hilaria was caught in a lie about her heritage.

    In a 2007 episode of Tina Fey’s sitcom, Baldwin’s character Jack Donaghy dates a British woman named Phoebe (played by Emily Mortimer).

    However, after Jack proposes to Phoebe, Fey’s character Liz Lemon discovers that Phoebe is faking her accent. Sound familiar?

    Clips from the episode surfaced on TikTok on Tuesday with netizens hilariously comparing the storyline to Alec and Hilaria’s reality.

    “You don’t know anything about me so back off,” Phoebe says in the clip without the British accent she spoke with in prior episodes.

    Lemon, looking shocked, gasps and asks, “What happened to your accent?”

    Phoebe, looking distraught, puts her accent back on and says, “Um, I don’t know what you’re on about, you daft wanker.”

  261. MEH 0910 says:

    https://pagesix.com/2020/12/29/hilaria-baldwin-seen-in-newly-unearthed-yearbook-photos/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  262. @Abe

    Well, 40-year-old musician still trying to make it in NYC would probably repel any normal female in NYC. For NYC standards of normal female.

  263. @fnn

    “her mother was a med school prof and her father was a law school professor”

    So marry ditsy but ‘fit’ daughter and hope for regression to the (high) mean in your kids. A very sensible move – parentage like that is the kind of thing that could tip the scales towards a marriage decision.

    “Don’t marry for intelligence, but marry where intelligence is”

  264. Dissident says:
    @Wilkey

    Good points.

    Just to be clear, I did not mean to suggest that Buckley was comparable; only was reminded of having read what I mentioned.

    Thanks for the response.

  265. Old Prude says:
    @syonredux

    Looks like the Good Think Police pulled the video. Can’t have the peons laughing at royalty.

  266. @Paperback Writer

    Hilaria Baldwin’s accent was always phony as a $3 bill and I am enjoying her humiliation.

    Really? I think of people in these situations as roguish and amusing. The phrase “she’s such a card”, comes to mind. Think of the effort it takes to stay in character. The way I look at it – more power to her. It’s not as if genuine Hispanics/Latinate Europeans have some legit claim to the privileges that come with the classification stateside. Better that a boring white lady latch on to them, especially when the saga is so entertaining.

  267. @raga10

    If it was to get into school then I *would* have problem with that, because by lying she takes a place that could go to someone more deserving.

    Whaaa? Do you understand what Affirmative Action is all about, Raga? It’s all about giving spots to people who are less deserving. If they could make it on merit, there would be no call for AA.

    If you, as a White guy, get a spot based on your saying you are an Indian or Hispanic, then you’ve got the spot you likely deserve based on merit and have taken one from an AA admission who was very likely not deserving. Otherwise, he could have signed his name Conner Smith, instead of Dances with Wolves Smith or what-have-you.

    Regarding the tabloids, yeah, you are right that it is harmless lying. I guess for me, this lying for fame is worse than lying to screw over the system that has been screwing over White Men for over half a century.

    We’ll just have to agree to disagree, Raga. Thanks for the reply.

    • Agree: JMcG
  268. @MIkeTheCop

    He couldn’t handle Kim Basinger.

    I probably couldn’t have either, but I’d have given it a try.

  269. @danand

    Look on their child’s face about says it.

    “I’m seven months old, I can’t even talk yet, but I already know my parents are lunatics.”

  270. @AnotherDad

    “Imagine America where there were more “Hilaria” level white women “breeders” popping out five kids with successful white men. ”

    Be careful what you wish for.

    In the instant (Baldwin) case, Hilaria has probably popped out more Baldwin rage-freaks and druggies.

    In the abstract, do you really want this? More of the insufferable class with their hideous yoga-pantsed Moms telling us how to eat, how to live, how to think?

    It would be better to worry about the whites who are struggling against terrible odds. Think about them before you care about the top 5% of whites. They do quite well.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  271. @Rockford Tyson

    No, the gutter trash were your white ancestors and that of most white Americans: Irish potato farmers, English estuary proles, Poles and Sicilians that were low-class and uneducated even by proletarian standards. Even if the original Puritans were a little more well-educated(despite their religious delusions), they represented a miniscule proportion of the ancestors of white Americans. The vast majority of white Americas are not descended from people that came in the Mayflower. Most white Americans are descended from the proletarian rabble of 19th century Europe!

    But that’s the wonder of it. The entrenched nature of European society meant that the talent it discarded made its way to the New World, and created, out of nothing, the most powerful country in the world, and a technological and cultural juggernaut. Americans should be proud of their plebeian heritage. It’s one thing for European countries governed by dozens of generations of aristocrats to be wealthy and influential, and quite another for those governed by the literal dregs of society from Europe. The talent suppressed in the Old World flowered in the New.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  272. BADmejr says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Yes, the original Spaniards are mostly white with more Nordic elements in the north than the south. “Hispanic” or “Latino” are actually just “ethnicities,” so technically they can come in any race. However, in the US, such words are synonymous with the short, black-haired, mestizos that cross our border. In fact, I’d be willing to bet most of the illegal Hispanics are more Central/SouthAmerican Native American (Indian) than they are European. The mostly Spanish descended (white European) Mexicans tend to stay in Mexico running the nation’s businesses, government, and starring on telenovelas.

    Anyway, the Pokemon points of describing oneself as “Latino” or “Hispanic” come from the racial associations the word has taken on from most US Latinos being non-white. Of course, that doesn’t stop the FBI from counting most Hispanics as racially white in crime stats. Just do a google search of “FBI Ten Most Wanted List.” Make sure you find the actual wanted list and not some “Most Wanted” TV show. When you click on virtually any of the obviously non-white Hispanic or Middle-Eastern ones, their profiles list virtually all of them as racially “White.” Nonetheless, the FBI does count them separate from whites when they are victims of hate crimes. It’s almost like there is an anti-white agenda in play here. Hmmm.

  273. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    It’s a very lovely defense. I’m sure that you would have done the same if Mrs. Baldwin was Jewish and pretended to be Old Stock in order to land a man. Lying for a “good cause” and frauds that don’t involve massive financial losses are still lies and frauds. No, Hillary doesn’t deserve to go to jail but she does deserve public opprobrium.

  274. Thea says:
    @AnotherGuessModel

    Ok but it’s also a con that Latina wellness experts would be more entitled to this bogus career of woo selling than anyone else.

    She sold the same bs other uneducated but cute women sell.

  275. J.Ross says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Unless they have a title I thought they were one step down (but in the best position for promotion).

  276. Thea says:
    @Jack D

    Do you need a list of the chosen grifters in Hollywood with Anglo stage names that never get called on their cultural appropriation?

  277. @Jack D

    Lying for a “good cause” and frauds that don’t involve massive financial losses are still lies and frauds. No, Hillary doesn’t deserve to go to jail but she does deserve public opprobrium.

    That’s like comparing a minor fender bender to a multi-fatality drunk driving accident. She was just an uppity white woman who pretended to be one of her Latinx betters. Not all that different, back in the day, from mixed-blood blacks who tried to pass for white and blamed their slightly exotic looks on an Indian ancestor.

  278. Liza says:
    @Prof. Woland

    He is in a business where one slip up or one small accusation could ruin his career and reputation.

    That ruination of career quality certain happened to Mel Gibson. After his drunken rant, two of them that I can think of, he did have a few good films at least as producer/director, but they were already in the bag, probably. Look at his crappy recent films as far as acting goes, though. Fatman; Force of Nature; Machete Kills. I guess there are other recent bad ones as well.

    He will never be allowed to make a good quality movie in Hollywood ever again. Why he consented to have anything to do with these pieces of kak is anyone’s guess. He just can’t relax and retire? He has serious debts? He has some sort of predilection for humiliation in his old age?

    PS. I love Thomas the Tank Engine. I still have old tapes/discs my son watched. By the way, in the interests of political correctness, The Fat Controller (from the original book) became Sir Topham Hat. However, with the hatred for white men that’s everywhere, I am surprised this little concession was made.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  279. @James O'Meara

    One of my first Mallorca memories … even before watching Brits fighting with Germans over pool loungers … was watching an Anciana grazing the aisles in an Eroski Supermercado, reaching into a crock of olives, pulling one out and putting into her mouth, then moments later spitting the pit into the same hand, putting it into the little plastic bucket provided for such waste, and then, with the same hand, reaching into the next crock to repeat the process. I didn’t appreciate the diligence of Lebanese shop keepers, who gave samples in a somewhat more controlled process, until I witnessed that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  280. @MEH 0910

    I dunno … that family looks too White for Alec to be the Hyper-Librtard he pretends to be.

  281. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    She’s mental, probably borderline personality disorder. With parents who are professionals and she’s a ‘yoga instructor’? Her husband must be humoring her since he must have met her parents. She married a celebrity old enough to be her father so she could preen for attention, her husband providing her the wherewithal to do so. The general public is pretty stupid in taking what Hollywood actors, athletes, singers, etc have to say seriously. The idiotic leading the dumb.

    • Replies: @guest007
  282. Kylie says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I absolutely adore Carolyn Jones. Bright, beautiful, talented with onscreen magnetism.

    Just saw Shield for Murder for the first time on YouTube. She had one small scene and stole the whole movie. Loads of admiring comments. Totally wasted, though, in Hitchcock’s remake of The Man Who Knew Too Much.

  283. Jack D says:
    @Paperback Writer

    There is a big difference regarding losing accents before and after puberty. Before puberty the wiring in our brains for the making of sounds can still be altered (everyone is born with the ability to speak their native language without an accent) but after puberty there is no evolutionary need to retain that plasticity and the ability to make further changes fades away (more in some people than in others).

    There is also variation between individuals. Famously, Henry Kissinger has an unshakeable German accent but his brother Walter speaks perfect American English even though he is only 1 year younger. Henry arrived in the US when he was 15 and Walter was 14. When asked why this was, Walter’s answer was something to the effect of, “ I listen to people and Henry doesn’t.” More likely, Walter just made it under the wire but for Henry it was already too late.

    • LOL: Liza
  284. Stealth says:
    @James O'Meara

    To my surprise, I have learned from moving away from the South – peace be upon it – that blacks do not actually sound the same throughout the United States.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  285. Bill says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Problematically for your theory, Latin America was not particularly a shithole until the 20th C. Much of it was pretty nice as recently as the 50s.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  286. Jack D says:
    @Bill

    Not really. It was just that the peasantry was invisible in the countryside. So the cities were more Europeanized (Buenos Aires looks a lot like Paris) and middle and upper class so that they were reasonably pleasant to Western visitors. But at some point the rural population decided (correctly) that they could make a better living in the cities, even as marginal slum dwellers, than they could as subsistence farmers. And this rural population had a high birth rate. So formerly pretty nice cities got overwhelmed with millions of ex-peasant slum dwellers (and when the cities could take no more, they headed for the US border). Mexico City’s population grew from 345,000 in 1900 to 1,029,000 in 1930, 3,136,000 in 1950, 9,045,000 in 1970, 15,785,000 in 1990 and 22,000,000 today.

    • Replies: @Bill
  287. JimDandy says:
    @guest

    I like how Ryan Gosling–born a Canadian Mormon–appropriated the accent of Marlon Brando–born an Omaha Scientologist. Who Brando took the accent from is, to my knowledge, unknown.

    ‘He developed an idiosyncratic accent because, as a child, he thought having a Canadian accent did not sound “tough”. He began to model his accent on that of Marlon Brando’

    • Replies: @guest
  288. Jack D says:
    @epebble

    She has indeed been running this scam for a decade. Here she is in the NY Times in 2014:

    “I could go back to teaching the yoga and not doing the TV for the rest of my life and be perfectly happy,” she said over sparkling water in an outdoor cafe across from Lincoln Center shortly after the “Extra” shoot. Her voice betrays a slight Spanish accent, remains of a childhood split between Boston and Spain.

    Does this (American) private school grad really think that yoga and TV take the definite article in English?

    She has another article in the NY Times today in which she mumbles about “creating boundaries”. This would be more convincing if she was not a media whore. The most dangerous place to put yourself in NY was between a camera and Hilaria (pronounced eel LA ria).

  289. @Jack D

    There is also variation between individuals. Famously, Henry Kissinger has an unshakeable German accent but his brother Walter speaks perfect American English even though he is only 1 year younger…

    More likely, Walter just made it under the wire but for Henry it was already too late.

    The head of Mensa Canada (why does “Canada” come after everything now?) came there from Britain at 13 or 14, and has the sort of “mid-Atlantic” accent such people do. She told us her brother was only 10 at arrival, but was so angry at being teased for being a limey, that he held on to his English accent for good.

  290. @Stealth

    To my surprise, I have learned from moving away from the South – peace be upon it – that blacks do not actually sound the same throughout the United States.

    They do to the rest of us.

    Insiders have more sensitive ears, and can pick up differences:

    One thing you can be sure of– they will not sound anything like their white neighbors, especially in New England. Some in New York might, but they’ll have roots in the Caribbean or elsewhere. I assumed a black acquaintance with a Brooklyn accent was of island descent, but eventually he told me he was born in Liberia.

    BTW, how did CharlieBo get into Canada to film this?

    [MORE]

    Part II of the above:

  291. danand says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “She was a knockout who never found the career her beauty deserved.”

    Definitely one of those beauties of boyhood dreams.

    Carolyn was one of the earliest actors to go under the knife for a rhinoplasty. She told that the procedure was performed as part of her preparation for an acting career. Wrote that it had been a much more painful ordeal than she anticipated.

    She also was the “woman behind the man” for the very successful Aaron Spelling, her first spouse. Pushed him into pursuing script writing that became the foundation of his career.

    D1D30D12-D589-43BE-B6EF-888F34E2BC3C

  292. @John Up North

    There was an early Christian named Saint Hilary who was martyred in the 4th century AD. He was a man.

    Celebrated for stamping out heresies.

    Norm on Cheers is Hilary Norman Peterson. Hilary Knight, the illustrator of the Eloise books, is still active at 94:

    https://www.hilaryknight.com/about-hilary-knight

    It’s become almost entirely a girl’s name now, just as we have Emily but rarely Emil. But they go both ways in the Romance languages. Andrea in Italian and Claude and Laurence in French are used for both sexes without a change in spelling.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @MEH 0910
  293. Lloyd1927 says:

    Now Spaniards aren’t “white”? Who created the system of racial “castas” for their American colonies long before the British got to the New World?

    https://www.learner.org/series/art-through-time-a-global-view/converging-cultures/human-races-las-castas/

  294. @Jack D

    I’m not sure how old Chua was when she set about to eradicate her accent but it was surely before puberty. I remember being surprised that she had an accent at all because she didn’t grow up in a Chinatown – her father was an eminent academic.

    Most of the Chinese/Korean American kids that I hear have no accent, except for the local one. Unlike blacks they don’t have an ethnic argot.

    Back to Hilaria. I wonder whether this wasn’t Alec’s scam. Not to excuse her, but when she intro’d herself to him she told him she was from Boston. I loathe Baldwin. I’ve had dealings with him – no details – and he’s as belligerent in real life as he appears to be in the media.

  295. @Liza

    I liked Ringo Starr the best.

  296. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Flamenco is actually a gypsy thing from Andalusia, not a Spanish thing nor from Catalan Mallorca, which is where she claimed to be from.

    Historically, Spaniards have disliked and been embarrassed by flamenco and tried to suppress and disassociate themselves from it. It’s something foreigners associate with Spain.

    So her being into flamenco would actually suggest that she’s faking being Spanish. It’s the kind of thing someone not Spanish would think regular Spanish people do and are into.

  297. raga10 says:
    @Jack D

    I’m sure that you would have done the same if Mrs. Baldwin was Jewish and pretended to be Old Stock in order to land a man.

    You seem to assume Alec is a victim in this, and she “landed” him using her false Spanish charms – but if you think about it, that’s unlikely. They’ve been together for a while now, they have a number of children. I would say that somewhere along the way he would’ve seen her birth certificate and met her parents. He must know her better than we do.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  298. Truth says:
    @MEH 0910

    I don’t know if there’s a given name for the delusional disorder that all women are actually men.

    Why yes there is; it’s called “stupidity”,which is coincidentally the same name for the disorder you possess, which is the inability to read, beyond a certain age.

    You see, not once in my life have I ever written that all women were actually men. What I have written is that Hollywood actresses are actually what us educated people call, eunuchs, or “castratos”; or, boys that have been castrated young and given female hormones, from animals all their lives. Now, I will not go, once again, into why this is, you wouldn’t understand it anyway, but, it is.

    Now there are many physical features castratos develop, one being very long arms…

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/84/12/4324/2864451

    …Sort of like the picture posted above in post number 263 of Bruce Willis’ 2nd husband and two sons, as well as the picture of the Mr. Jones in #304 with HIS ELBOW GOING DOWN PAST HIS HIP.

    Other features men pretending to be women can be found in post #270 with Mr. Hillario Baldwin’s much-too-high, belly button in picture #2, lack of spine curve in picture #1, and totally non-existent hip sweep (from a woman who has pushed out FIVE children, no less) in pictures #2 and #6.

    But keep swinging, Old Sport, you’ll get there because they are starting to play Tee-ball with you non-athletes.

    So in conclusion, yes, Mr. Baldwin is quite the actor…uh…ress… uh whatever. But not because of some third rate accent.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  299. @Johann Ricke

    The talent suppressed in the Old World flowered in the New.

    Right. It takes a certain kind of go getter to leave his world behind and emigrate to a place he’s never been. More than a few of the early ones came as indentured servants, so they must have really wanted to GTFO.

    Today all we seem to get is grifters and illiterates.

  300. MEH 0910 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    just as we have Emily but rarely Emil.

    North by Northwest: Police Station

  301. guest007 says:
    @anonymous

    It is much harder for Hollywood celebrities to fake things since the internet makes it easy to look up a persons resume or for past classmates and childhood friend to out a person once they become famous.

    What is interesting is finding people who intentionally try to hide parts of their background that go against their current activities/political positions such as finding reporters who push for public schools and no charter when those reporters attended elite private schools and expensive private universities.

  302. Jack D says:
    @The Alarmist

    The last time I was in a Russian supermarket in NE Philly there was an older gentleman who was going down the candy aisle, breaking open various packages of chocolate and sampling a bit and then putting the open packages back on the shelf. I guess he was trying to find one to his liking, though it seems like he never did. When we were leaving the supermarket there was a gruff looking fellow at the door who was checking to see if the stuff in your cart corresponded to your receipt and my wife got insulted but I explained to her that it was nothing personal – that the owners knew what their customers were like.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  303. J.Ross says:

    … do you think she, as a fake Spaniard, did that Nuyorican sex talk which was a brief mania in the mid-90s? Trying to think of how that took off, there was a house track I’ve never been able to name or find (memorable both because it’s so well done, and a denial joint, which was I imagine was new then), and then there was Gilette rapping about cunnilingus and size queening.

  304. northeast says:
    @Bill Jones

    He is indeed a bad actor, though his several minutes on screen in the movie “Glengarry Glen Ross” were brilliant.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @guest
  305. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    As I understand it in Russia proper you have no chance to do this because you must buy your item first at one desk, then take the receipt to where they keep the stuff to pick it up, and then you can look at it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  306. Mr. Anon says:
    @Truth

    Speaking about your marriage again?

    Wow, you gotta admire that PeeWee Herman level of wit.

    No wonder you’re a flat-earther. You sure do love projection.

    Still in all, you’re the dude who slept with a dude, dude. Own it, man. We won’t think less of you for it. Well, actually we will, but we think lesser still of you for being a crazy idiot.

  307. guest says:
    @JimDandy

    Now that I think of it, he does have a nondescript tough-guy way of talking. He doesn’t look tough. Maybe his speech is compensatory, but real-life tough guys often have ridiculously un-tough ways of speaking. See Mike Tyson for instance.

  308. guest says:
    @northeast

    He’s better at comedy (Miami Blues, 1,000 episodes of SNL), however because of his handsomeness they stuck him in dramas and action movies too often.

  309. @Prof. Woland

    If an unhinged Liberal sees a Fascist obviously one will beat the crap of the other, my Money is on the Fascist!
    There isn’t going to be any Fascist President unless in the aftermath of a Civil War but I doubt such thing will ever happen.

  310. Jack D says:
    @raga10

    He was interviewed on Letterman once and said that his wife was born in Spain. It’s possible he was in on the scam but I doubt it.

  311. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    That was the old Soviet system but they have supermarkets now the same as everywhere else.

  312. @AnotherGuessModel

    Surely the measure of a good mother and wife is about a whole lot more than having many children and staying hot and fit.

    Completely agree with this.

    My point was basically she ran an actresses grift–played a role people wanted. Not within ten orders of magnitude of the minoritarian lies our elites peddle daily. I don’t know anything and wasn’t implying anything about how she’s actually raising her kids. Alec Baldwin+her attention whoring==bad sign.

    Personally, i have no use for the actress personality type. Never attracted to them. Always attracted toward the good girls, the smart girls–like AnotherMom. (Pleasant company, good genes, loyal wives and mothers.)

    If my son was involved with someone like Hilaria my advice would be …. run!

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  313. @Jack D

    It’s a very lovely defense. I’m sure that you would have done the same if Mrs. Baldwin was Jewish and pretended to be Old Stock in order to land a man.

    Wouldn’t the analogy would be more like an Old Stock gal who pretended to be Jewish to get some exotic flavor?

    As i’ve said i’ve no use for liars–but whatever “entrapment” Hilaria ran on Alec, that’s his problem.

    But your example suggests, you still misunderstand my (everyone’s?) nationalist “anti-Semitism”.

    My issues–the nationalist’s issues–with Jews aren’t “taint of blood”. The “anti-Semitism” you charge me with actually involves two things:

    — Noticing Jews pushing minortarianism (esp. anti-nationalism, immigrationism) culturally and politically and general disparagement and disloyally to the people (white gentiles) who built America (and btw make it a nice, free and prosperous place).

    — Calling b.s. on the Jewish narrative. The Jews are people who have insisted for a thousand plus on *not* integrating with their white neighbors but maintaining themselves as separate tribe … but then whine when they are … treated as a separate tribe! Sorry. (And this is particularly low class to trot out for your treatment in America. And obviously it’s a completely different story than the blacks–where we *whites* insisted they were a separate tribe.)

    If a Jewish gal wants to dump Judaism and just become a regular American with an Old Stock guy … i think that’s great. In fact, that’s what Jews *should* be doing. Dump the tribal b.s. and become part of the core of the nation they live in … or move to Israel.

    That’s good advice for any people anywhere. Be part of your nation, loyal to the people you live with. If you can’t do it … move. You’re in the wrong country.

  314. @AnotherDad

    If my son was involved with someone like Hilaria my advice would be …. run!

    Janet Leigh played Hilaria 57 years ago:

    Albert’s secretary, Rose “Rosie” Alvarez, comes up with a last-ditch publicity stunt to have Birdie record and perform a song before he is sent overseas. Having long been stuck in a sort of romantic limbo for eight years, she longs for the Albert she once knew, an aspiring English teacher, before he wrote Birdie’s first hit and abandoned those plans to pursue the seedier music industry (“An English Teacher”)…

    Albert’s overbearing mother, Mae, comes to Sweet Apple to break up her son’s relationship with Rosie (she objects to Rosie’s Hispanic heritage)…

    After a reconciliation with Albert, Rosie tells Mae that she will marry Albert despite Mae’s racist objections, and despite being a natural-born American citizen from Allentown, Pennsylvania, she will deliberately play up her Hispanic heritage if it annoys Mae that much (“Spanish Rose”).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bye_Bye_Birdie#Synopsis

  315. @Paperback Writer

    In the abstract, do you really want this? More of the insufferable class with their hideous yoga-pantsed Moms telling us how to eat, how to live, how to think?

    Good point.

    My focus was more with the harmlessness of Hilaria’s grift and the beauty of her fertility. I agree the Alec+Hilaria kids–at least some of them–are likely to end up being “insufferable.”

    But i do really appreciate seeing some white fertility.

    The minoritarians successfully managed to with 2+ wave feminism to “minoritarianize” women with their oppression narrative. They pushed a “marriage is slavery”, “domesticity is prison” narrative, and kept selling the old WASP population control–for white couples only–while waving in immigrants. It’s a disaster–a frog boiling genocide.

    An immigration moratorium–plug the leaks, stop the ship from sinking–is the paramount job.

    But then we need to get the engines restarted, the pumps going and push forward with healthy eugenic fertility. Smart successful, healthy, financially capable people should be averaging 3 kids just to motor forward.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  316. duncsbaby says:
    @Thoughts

    Hilaria is a hero. All that matters is she bagged a rich dude, had a bunch of kids AND doesn’t have to work. It doesn’t matter. None of this matters.

    She WON

    Yes, but she’s getting called for unsportsmanlike conduct for celebrating in the endzone.

  317. duncsbaby says:
    @Ancient Briton

    Sorry, this myth that I once believed myself doesn’t seem to hold much water upon closer inspection.

    By the end of September 1588 Fitzwilliam was able to report to the Queen’s secretary, Lord Burghley, that the Armada alarm was over. Soon after, he reckoned that only about 100 survivors remained in the country. In 1596, an envoy of Philip II arrived in Ireland to make inquiries of survivors and was successful in only eight cases.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada_in_Ireland#Aftermath

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  318. duncsbaby says:
    @DextersLabRat

    The fact that “tea” has gone from black drag queen slang from the 80s to being casually used on a dissident right internet comment thread is fascinating.

    Well I guess thanks for that? I thought 415 reasons had made a typo. The only use of Tea as slang that I’m familiar with is it referring to marijuana. I guess I’m a little more enlightened because you mentioned it being black drag queen slang but not so much to look into it extensively. Possibly a reference to T-Girl? No, re-reading it I guess it means “scoop” or “gossip”? I’m getting a small headache now even putting this much thought to it.

  319. MEH 0910 says:
    @Truth

    You see, not once in my life have I ever written that all women were actually men. What I have written is that Hollywood actresses are actually what us educated people call, eunuchs, or “castratos”; or, boys that have been castrated young and given female hormones, from animals all their lives.

    I’m glad you straightened out my misunderstanding. Noooo, that’s not delusional at all…..

  320. MEH 0910 says:

  321. @Steve Sailer

    Really? Why does it take 72 years for them to release the 1950 census??

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  322. @Sam Malone

    In 2020, they will release 1950 Census data by name: that’s a lot of personal information like who was living with whom.

  323. @duncsbaby

    It is a myth. Ireland and Spain traded a lot, and thus some Spanish names & genes ended up in Ireland. The sailors of the Armada were either killed, or imprisoned.

  324. @DextersLabRat

    I think it’s just from black women, and black drag queens picked it up from them, since drag queens affect feminine mannerisms.

    Tea, as in “spill the.” I think it’s cute. A lot of black women’s mannerisms aren’t cute, but give them credit when they are.

  325. @415 reasons

    Sounds to me like Alec came up with the idea of passing Hillary off as Latina. I’ve heard she told him she was from Boston. That doesn’t let her off the hook. Just pointing out a possibility.

  326. @AnotherDad

    “My focus was more with the harmlessness of Hilaria’s grift and the beauty of her fertility.”

    It’s not harmless to lie and scam. She had to cover up her family formation with fake exoticism. If she had had a lot of kids as the Boston Brahmin she was, I would agree. But not this.

  327. MEH 0910 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    just as we have Emily but rarely Emil.

  328. Thomm says:
    @Truth

    Truth, my brotha! Consider the following :

    Mr. Anon’s comments :

    Quantity : Very High

    Quality : Very Low

    Now, for the lesson : This is how you can tell that a commenter is obese. Their desire to substitute quality with quantity in their words carries over into their views regarding caloric intake, as well as their own BMI and body composition. Yes, it really is that easy to tell from a person’s comments alone.

    Therefore, Mr. Anon is not merely obese, but excessively and comically so. He happens to be extremely jealous of the fattest WWE wrestlers, since they have earned money and fame from being fat, which Mr. Anon is unable to do despite how much he coveted the privilege. That is why he hates it when people with vastly higher IQs than him nonetheless watched WWE (then WWF) in their youth. He is feeling left out, and feels entitled to the paycheck and viewership that someone like Akeem the African Dream (450 lbs) earned :

    Mr. Anon is THE epitome of what we functional whites call ‘White Trashionalists’, since he is bereft of any of the human capital found in the 80% of whites that are part of the functional tier.

    The sheer accumulation of biomass (albeit of low quality) that Mr. Anon represents is an earth-shaking prospect.

  329. @Jack D

    In some respects, it would have been cool if they had been able to switch Ireland back to its original language the way that Israel switched to Hebrew (virtually the only time in history this has happened)

    It is a lot easier to give up speaking Yiddish than English.

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