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The shooting of Ahmaud Arbery, a saintly “jogger,” by a white man in the South while trying to take the man’s gun was used by the national press as George Floyd 0.9 in early May 2020 to whip up racial hatred, which exploded catastrophically later in the month in the Racial Reckoning.

Not surprisingly, it turns out that Arbery was not the ascetic long distance runner of instant media legend. From a document filed by the defense legal team:

Pursuant to O.C.G.A. § 24-4-404(b), Travis and Greg McMichael offer the following evidence because it shows Mr. Arbery’s modus operandi, his motive, his preparation, his plan, his identity, and his intent, and thus, his absence of mistake to: use running or jogging as a cover to commit crimes against persons and the community; to steal; to commit burglary; to commit forcible felonies; and to either flee when challenged, confronted, or questioned by citizens or law enforcement about his conduct and / or to commit forcible felonies against citizens or law enforcement who challenge, confront, or question his conduct.

The following acts are relevant: . On March 14, 2013, security camera Video from South Georgia Technical College reveals Mr. Arbery provided a friend a pair of wire cutters to use as a weapon as he, the friend, and others waited for another group of men to appear. When the other group arrived, Mr. Arbery and the others engaged in a violent fight; .’

On December 3, 2013, Glynn County Police reports reveal Mr. Arbery unlawfully concealed a handgun into his waistband and tried to gain admission into a high school basketball game. Officers noticed the butt of the gun protruding from his waistband and ordered for him to stop. Mr. Arbery ran from police, which resulted in two officers sustaining injuries: one because Mr. Arbery scratched his arm to get away; the other because the officer fell and sustained injuries during his chase of Mr. Arbery. Also, the Chief of Police reported that as he chased Mr. Arbery in his vehicle, Mr. Arbery reached into his waistband as if searching for his firearm. Police eventually surrounded Mr. Arbery and charged him. He was later convicted for several felony and misdemeanor charges, including gun possession and obstruction; …

In June of 2018, 911 audio reveals Mr. Arbery’s mother, Wanda Jones, called 911 due to Mr. Arbery’s refusal to give Ms. Jones her car keys. She made the call from inside her car While Mr. Arbery stood outside her car. During her call to 911, she cautioned the operator that Mr. Arbery had a mental condition that had ”escalated” over time. Additionally, Ms. Jones told the officer that Mr. Arbery might get violent with the officers due to his mental illness, if they were too confrontational with Mr. Arbery or tried to arrest him or take him into custody;

5. On August 21, 2018, Burke County Witness reports and Burke County Office body cam Video reveals Mr. Arbery was caught by a stay-at— home mom who saw him in her backyard looking into the windows of her cars. She called police who found Mr. Arbery at his grandmother’s residence. Police officers arrived to give Mr. Arbery a trespass warning about his conduct and behavior. When confronted by the officers about the eye-witness report, he lied said he had ”gone running in the street,” and then became aggressive, confrontational, and repeatedly threatened that he would “whip the officer’s ass” if they didn’t leave him alone. He was not arrested;

6. On October 23, 2018, Burke County reports and Burke County officer body cam video reveal Mr. Arbery and two juveniles were confronted in a vacant mobile home by the Burke County Sheriff’s Office. Mr. Arbery ran when confronted by the authorities. He was later caught and lied, stating he was just out running, when asked about being in the mobile home. He was charged with misdemeanor obstruction for running when given lawful commands to stop;

7. On December 1, 2018, Glynn County officer body cam video reveals Mr. Arbery was arrested, charged, and later convicted for felony shoplifting by entering a store and attempting to steal a television;

8. In 2019 and 2020, witness interviews reveal Mr. Arbery was seen by his own neighbors, removing screen from Windows and trying enter their homes through the windows. When confronted by the neighbors about his conduct and behavior, he appeared ”nervous or agitated” and ”trying to figure out where to go.” Then he said he was interested in buy[ing] the house but ”took off running. ” On the second occasion, the home owner observed Mr. Arbery trying to gain entrance through a door. They again tried to talk to Mr. Arbery but he would not speak or say anything, he simply ran away;

9. In 2019 and 2020, local convenience store Witness interviews reveal Mr. Arbery became known as ”the jogger” for his repeated conduct and behavior of running up, stretching in front in, and then entering several convenience stores where he would grab items and run out before he could be caught; and

10. In 2020, witness cell phone video reveals Mr. Arbery was confronted at a convenience store by employees about his theft conduct and behavior. Mr. Arbery, cornered about his thefts, chose to fight a man who worked on location at the adjacent truck stop who tried to confront him about it.

3. While counsel believes the following additional acts are intrinsic to the events on February 23, 2020 and explain why Mr. Arbery ran and why Travis and Greg McMichael pursued Mr. Arbery, and are, thus, not subject to the notice requirements of O.C.G.A. § 24-4-404(b) and USCR 31.1, counsel includes them in this notice out of an abundance of caution:

1. On October 25, 2019, home surveillance video at 220 Satilla Drive captures Mr. Arbery at night and in the dark canvassing the interior property and valuables contained within;

2. On November 18, 2019, home surveillance video at 220 Satilla Drive captures Mr. Arbery at night and in the dark canvassing the interior property and valuables contained Within;

3. On February 11, 2020, Witness testimony, 911 recordings, and home surveillance Video at 220 Satilla Drive details that Mr. Arbery was once again canvassing the interior and exterior property and valuables at night and that he ed after police were called.

WHEREFORE, Travis and Greg McMichael request that this Honorable Court hold an evidentiary hearing so that they can meet their burden for the aforementioned reasons.

What proportion of the most celebrated BLM martyrs have been dirtbags? Botham Jean, the law abiding accountant shot dead in his own apartment by a confused policewoman who got off at the wrong floor, was by all accounts a good guy. A few of the others were screw-ups but not predatory criminals. But most of the real heroes of BLM have had track records of predation.

Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police? Or is that a feature? Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?

But I don’t know.

 
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  1. I doubt that Arbery’s criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd’s record did. Facts don’t matter when race becomes an issue. Perception is reality, especially in front of a jury.

    McMichael and his son will probably both be hung out to dry because they look like stereotypical redneck Bubbas straight out of Central Casting.

    • Agree: duncsbaby
    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Dr. X

    "I doubt that Arbery’s criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd’s record did. .."

    For the most part their criminal records shouldn't matter. You don't get to kill people just because they are bad guys.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @RonaldB, @TomSchmidt, @Ben tillman, @JimDandy

    , @duncsbaby
    @Dr. X

    I wish it were different but I think and fear you are right. The McMichaels, Derek Chauvin and Rittenhouse will all be sacrificed for "society's" good. I would like to see all of them exonerated, I don't give a fig about the rioting in the street that will be the consequence. It doesn't matter at this point, there will be plenty of rioting anyway with the aforementioned great white defendants getting screwed, blued and tattooed.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=screwed%2C%20blued%20and%20tattooed
    (for RC)

    Replies: @RonaldB

    , @Ben tillman
    @Dr. X

    It’s Georgia, not Minnesota. These previous incidents destroy the prosecution’s narrative. And ultimately Aubrey was the aggressor.

  2. There is a preponderance of evidence that Steve is right, that we are right, but it doesn’t seem to matter. The only rape fantasy angle I can see is that we are the one’s being raped, like my ex-girlfriend in Boulder, who was raped by one of the handful of black men in a town with practically no crime at all.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You mentioned this 26 minutes ago in a different thread.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @paum, @Richard B

    , @Neoconned
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Remember that post u made once Steve about a white reporter talking about muscular black men in prison & watching them work out?

    A lotta dumb white women have jungle fever but are correctly terrified of acting on it due to the social alienation and stigma she'll get for acting out her fantasies....

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How did she vote?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  3. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:

    I only pray for more diverse joggers running through liberal neighborhoods.

    • Agree: mark green
  4. I google mapped the area where Arbery was living and the neighborhood where he was shot.
    It’s a long way for a guy who wasn’t appropriately dressed for a half marathon.

    I’d have been checking his pockets for car keys.

  5. This David Cole article from 2018 explains so much about the fabrication of The Narrative:

    https://www.takimag.com/article/handiblackin/

    • Replies: @res
    @anon215

    Thanks. He talks about the lack of interracial rape statistics in that article. This comment has a fairly comprehensive list of what statistics are available (pre 2009/Obama) if anyone is interested.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/white-racialism-in-america-then-and-now/?showcomments#comment-4206835

  6. Black criminality is not a bug or a feature to the Woke. It is just irrelevant – blacks are victims no matter what. Black crime simply proves that whites damage blacks, forcing them into a life of crime.
    And anyway people on the Left like crime now. This ain’t your grandma’s liberalism. Today’s young white Antifa enjoy violence and aren’t ashamed to say so, much like the black criminals they worship.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    @rebel yell

    I think many can ignore black crime. In the Bay Area blacks are are half what they are nationwide and concentrated in a few locations. And if you do acknowledge it, well then you are racist, and that word is krptonite to any white person.

  7. Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police? Or is that a feature? Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?

    It’s a feature with a capital F.

    I’m currently listening to Thomas Frank’s “ The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism” and it’s extraordinary how much the racial antagonism script has flipped after the 1960s. (I consider Frank part of a dwindling circle of anti-woke leftists who remain on the edge of MSM thought. Sorta like how Victor Davis Hanson dances between the line of Conservative Inc. and dissident right thought.) Frank contends that racial animosity was heavily stoked to derail economic reform during the late 19th and early 20th century. A black crime was highly publicized and induced whites toward violent action (though much more controlled and orderly compared to contemporary black mass riots.) But since the 1960s, Woke Capital outsourced anti-populist duties from the KKK to BLM and other organizations. If white working class citizens get uppity a Rodney King style incident gets heavily skewed coverage and becomes highly publicized. That induces riots and race becomes center stage over economic interest. Since the 2008 Great Recession populist sentiment has grown and Wokeness is the enforcement arm of predatory finance.

    • Agree: haole3, Desiderius
    • Thanks: James N. Kennett
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Kronos

    No need to get any more complicated than that. We can all see where wokeness is most virulent.

    , @F. Galton
    @Kronos

    I read a commentary a while back (can't remember where) that supports your premise. Someone was arguing that critical race theory themes started popping up in the press during the Occupy Wall Street movement, and that this was done intentionally to divide the populists and pit working-class ethnics against each other.

    Is the Establishment really that cold-blooded and manipulative? It seems plausible.

    Replies: @Kronos

  8. @Buzz Mohawk
    There is a preponderance of evidence that Steve is right, that we are right, but it doesn't seem to matter. The only rape fantasy angle I can see is that we are the one's being raped, like my ex-girlfriend in Boulder, who was raped by one of the handful of black men in a town with practically no crime at all.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Neoconned, @Negrolphin Pool

    You mentioned this 26 minutes ago in a different thread.

    • Replies: @but an humble craftsman
    @ScarletNumber

    So?

    , @paum
    @ScarletNumber

    You should repeat that comment in the other thread as well, for symmetry's sake.

    , @Richard B
    @ScarletNumber


    You mentioned this 26 minutes ago in a different thread.
     
    Creepiest Troll Comment of 2021.

    But the year's still got eight months to go. So you might get bumped.

    Though that'll take some doing.
  9. None of this information will ever make its way into the news that is seen by the majority of Americans.

    The greatest power now possessed by the media is the power of omission.

    • Agree: Hateful Hornytoad
  10. Ahmaud Arbery:

    Not to be confused with Amaury de Riencourt:

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wait,which one is the one who got shot?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  11. Drill into the BLM cases and it’s pretty laughable what a collection of criminal a*holes they trot out. Most of these thugs positively volunteer to get their ass shot. This Arbery criminal thug attacked a guy holding a shotgun! If that isn’t asking to meet your maker, i don’t know what is?

    Exceptions?

    I’d say Philando Castile–shot in Minnesota by the Latino cop–seems like a not very bright, but ordinary black guy. (Not married to, but at least with his children’s mother, holding a job and providing for them.)

    The Latino cop–Yanez–basically just panicked. He was way too jumpy and stupid and should never have been a cop. He should have been convicted of manslaughter. And it’s appalling Yanez–who actually killed an innocent guy–is walking around free, while Chauvin–whose crime is bad optics handling an drug dealer’s OD– is probably headed to jail because our minoritarian elites–mad that Trump harnessed the deplorables–are really spoiling to string up some flyover white gentiles.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    That one was on Philando, IMO. I'd wager he was baked out of his mind, and it cost him his life. The cop was clearly freaking out and telling him to stop reaching, but he kept reaching. Like all of us, a cop only has one life to lose.

    Almost all of the high profile "racist white cop/civilian hunts and kills black person for sport" narratives are false... Trayvon, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Saint George, The Holy Jogger, Breonna Taylor. The drunk-driver asshole who fought the cops in the Atlanta Wendy's parking lot, stole a taser and got shot as he fired it got what he deserved. I'm even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him--I maintain that if you watch the video closely, knifeboy starts to whirl in the direction of the cop (plenty of stats on the lethal dangers of a knife at that distance). Going back, the OTHER black fellow who famously fought the cop and stole his taser before the cop shot him... ok, that one was borderline. The only one I looked into and came away angry at the cop was the Sandra Bland case. But that cop didn't kill her, he got fired for what he did, and there's not definitive evidence that he was driven by racism, as a black female cop was there backing him up while he acted like a dick.

    Replies: @vhrm, @schnellandine, @rebel yell, @Muggles

    , @Fjjgff hgchh
    @AnotherDad

    I agree with your assessment MOSTLY.

    Yanez rightly profiled Castile as fitting the description of a robbery suspect, although Castile simply resembled the robber, and to a large degree, but was not him.

    Yanez was jumpy, and Castile was driving high, invalidating his CCW permit. Castile was a fool to reach into his pocket for his ID, and to continue while a clearly agitated Yanez kept telling him not to do it. At that point, Yanez had no way to know, after Castile told him he had a gun, that he was simply retrieving his wallet and ID.

  12. I was having a discussion with a black friend some years ago, and I asked him why, if it was true that there are numerous police death squads randomly executing black people for the offense of being black, they didn’t find some better sample black lives matter cases for public consumption than focusing on deaths of black petty criminals in confrontations with the police.

    Of course he really had no answer.

    In discussions about the woes of the public education system in which black youth were failing to catch an education, he was full of woe with examples of how black youth were discriminated against, but when I suggested that black youth should have separate schools with black teachers and administrators, where black children could be taught in a culturally appropriate manner, as is the case in many parts of the Caribbean, for some reason he didn’t want that either.

    Some people are never satisfied.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Jonathan Mason

    "... they didn’t find some better sample black lives matter cases for public consumption"

    But they do! and they are.

    For example, I just saw tonight a local news report that finally (!) showed a picture of Noah Green, the black guy who knifed a Capital police officer to death.

    Pay close attention. They showed a picture of a black man, identified him as Noah Green, and said that he was a black man who was shot dead by Capital police, a matter which is now under investigation.

    No mention of Green being armed with a knife, attacking and killing a police officer, no mention of his politics.

    You see? Heads they win, tails you lose. Careful omission of fact wins again.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Joseph Doaks

    , @Chris Renner
    @Jonathan Mason

    I'm acquainted with a Barbadian-American family. One of their explanations for their ethnic group's success in the US was the strict schools in their ancestral homeland (like most things in the Anglo-Carribean countries, they were founded by white settlers who weren't numerous enough to run them even if they had been inclined to do so).

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  13. There might have been a time when cops were a bit more cavalier about at least beating people up (probably not shooting them dead too much but maybe under certain circumstances) but today is not that time.

    Cops want to go home and collect their pensions, not get fired or put on trial. None of them think they’re untouchable these days.

    • Agree: vhrm
  14. That is an impressive list! The first few items seemed unrelated to the claims and i thought it would be fluff, but the rest of the document is ample documentation of the “jogger” routine.

    How many people will actually ever read it or find out about it?

    The MSM’s slanted coverage of these things almost makes me wish for UK style bans on crime reporting before conviction. Almost.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @vhrm

    If Donald Trump picked his nose in 1982, or Sarah Palin had farted during an 8th grade sleepover, the MSM will go wall to wall with it approximately an hour after finding out about it, after aggressively digging for any dirt that they could.

  15. If it bleeds, it leads. This is simply journalism. Don’t believe it.

    It’s getting to the point where I’m going to doubt the weather reports.

  16. Someone should have helped Armed Robbery with his cover story. Like, people don’t jog in Timberlands.

    • Agree: Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @Dissident799
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Someone should have helped Armed Robbery with his cover story. Like, people don’t jog in Timberlands.
     
    Is this true? When I look it up I find stories saying the autopsy reports him as wearing gray athletic sneakers.
    , @Prof. Woland
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    In my neck of the woods, the crime de jour is now stealing Amazon packages off of the front porch. They troll around suburban neighborhoods during the day when people are working, both in home and out, and then grab the undisclosed booty and split, usually in a car driven by someone else.

    A big problem with this is that sooner or later these good citizens bump into children in the neighborhood or the homeowner who just got out of the shower. They are in proximity with the locals who make the mistake of trying to defend their property. This is amplified by the fact that many people now have hidden cameras that record everything.

    The poetically just thing to do would be to booby trap the boxes but would cause other issues. Perhaps Aubrey should have been blasted in the face with fart spray.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_TSR_v07m0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxhDk-hwuo

  17. facts dont matter when one group controls 90% of the media

  18. The bioleninist angle would perhaps be that the system is trying to recruit pieces of shit, and so by making martyrs of pieces of shit, they’re both generally advertising the system to pieces of shit, and specifically advertising that they will defend and valorise pieces of shit.

    Are you a violent criminal fuck-up? Do you resent your low status? Would you like to take your resentments out on others, with impunity? WE WANT YOU!

    Edit: people wondered how Kyle Rittenhouse was able to fire three bullets into a crowd and hit three paedos. Maybe it’s this. Maybe this is how you get tens of thousands of criminals to riot in the streets: by implicitly making the defence of criminality a political cause.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    He didn't fire into a crowd.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  19. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    What proportion of the most celebrated BLM martyrs have been dirtbags?

    All of them, which makes one wonder whether this is somehow deliberate in some way. Are they trying to promote crime as a civil right for blacks as a form of reparation? Is there some form of gaslighting going on? Or is it just the simple fact that the majority of black males ages 17 to 42 are involved in crime to some degree from the petty to the hardcore and inevitably get pulled over by the police? Career dirtball St Floyd gets a horse drawn funeral procession as if he were Abraham Lincoln, a bizarre situation. Perhaps looking for logic in this is a mistake.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @anonymous

    Both are true. And both are going to head into disaster, as its not 1968 anymore, and Whites and blacks are not the only players involved (one has nukes).

    Crime as Civil Rights street reparations has been the black goal from the very beginning. King endorsed it, and so has Farrakhan, the most respected Civil Rights leader in America. And it is because it victimizes dirt people, and in particular the former owners of America (ordinary White people) who are being liquidated by the managers. Who see themselves, Woke Capital style, as the new owners.

    And yes, the vast majority of black males are involved in crime -- its central to black fertility. Black people alone among ethnic groups have kept up their fertility. Look at DMX, he has what 9 kids by six different women? That's a big Cromartie Index, and thuggish violence is a sure way to male sexiness.

    Of course Asians and in particular Chinese often face black violence. This is dangerous as many are from Communist China. Which claims like Japan with overseas Japanese universal jurisdiction and protection of Chinese people regardless of where they live in the world or citizenship (as some have found out after being arrested in Hong Kong for anti-Chinese Communist Party activities despite being American or Canadian citizens). Xi styles himself as the Wolf Warrior that stands up for China and the Chinese people everywhere. After that movie. Suppose black people in the fullness of time commit some awful atrocity on a connected Chinese family. Now suppose Xi demands we extradite those black dudes for trial/punishment in China. Ruh Ro! Biden can't extradite them. He also cannot FAIL to extradite them either. Xi has nukes (and we don't, ours haven't worked in years and everyone knows it).

    The policy of encouraging street reparations as a Civil Right will run right into President Xi's desire to be the Protector of Chinese globally. Not to mention that various Cartel members don't like activities either and are nearly as dangerous as Xi. Gangstas may terrorize some FOB Chinese family, not so much dudes with a 100 Sicarios on call. Siccing black criminals on everyone is fine when its only Whites, we surrendered without a shot in the 1950s. Other races fight. And it can escalate to Yugoslavia levels quickly.

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @anonymous

    "Perhaps looking for logic in this is a mistake."

    Not exactly, the mistake is looking for logic in all the wrong places.

    Matthew 7:20 “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

  20. That kid in Colorado is probably the only clean example.

  21. Superstar rapper DMX overdosed and had a heart attack.

    He’s now on life support.

    Sample of his music. One of his most popular songs, released back in 1998.

    He’s father to 15 kids.

    He performed at Woodstock in 1999.

    • Replies: @Rouetheday
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Oh... so he performed at the 'rapey' Woodstock... sounds about right...

    , @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks god he can't breed anymore. One more stupid, worthless black will be dead soon.

    If he had any innate value in life, he would never have chosen to use drugs because he would have known his responsibility was to stay alive and healthy so he could look after and raise his kids.

    Because that's what fathers do. REAL fathers.

    Btw, his 'music' is crap.

    , @Pericles
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Drug abuse gone tragically wrong.

    Replies: @iDeplorable

    , @donut
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "little brain activity after OD" LOL , how much brain activity was there before OD ?

    Replies: @Roderick Spode

    , @duncsbaby
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't think I've listened to a DMX song once, from start to finish. I used to be into 80's and early 90's rap but by the time DMX came on the scene I was well uninterested in the style and sound. I'd bought more than my share of 80's rap albums but always found there were one or two great cuts and the rest was painful filler. By the time DMX rolled around I didn't even dig the hits.

    15 kids you say? Does that mean he scowled his way into the hearts of 15 different women? Chicks do dig the sensitive types.

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @JohnnyWalker123

    When he paired up with Steven Seagal, he was considered the good actor.

    , @Jim Christian
    @JohnnyWalker123

    He had little in the way of brain activity when healthy.

  22. @AnotherDad
    Drill into the BLM cases and it's pretty laughable what a collection of criminal a*holes they trot out. Most of these thugs positively volunteer to get their ass shot. This Arbery criminal thug attacked a guy holding a shotgun! If that isn't asking to meet your maker, i don't know what is?

    Exceptions?

    I'd say Philando Castile--shot in Minnesota by the Latino cop--seems like a not very bright, but ordinary black guy. (Not married to, but at least with his children's mother, holding a job and providing for them.)

    The Latino cop--Yanez--basically just panicked. He was way too jumpy and stupid and should never have been a cop. He should have been convicted of manslaughter. And it's appalling Yanez--who actually killed an innocent guy--is walking around free, while Chauvin--whose crime is bad optics handling an drug dealer's OD-- is probably headed to jail because our minoritarian elites--mad that Trump harnessed the deplorables--are really spoiling to string up some flyover white gentiles.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Fjjgff hgchh

    That one was on Philando, IMO. I’d wager he was baked out of his mind, and it cost him his life. The cop was clearly freaking out and telling him to stop reaching, but he kept reaching. Like all of us, a cop only has one life to lose.

    Almost all of the high profile “racist white cop/civilian hunts and kills black person for sport” narratives are false… Trayvon, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Saint George, The Holy Jogger, Breonna Taylor. The drunk-driver asshole who fought the cops in the Atlanta Wendy’s parking lot, stole a taser and got shot as he fired it got what he deserved. I’m even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him–I maintain that if you watch the video closely, knifeboy starts to whirl in the direction of the cop (plenty of stats on the lethal dangers of a knife at that distance). Going back, the OTHER black fellow who famously fought the cop and stole his taser before the cop shot him… ok, that one was borderline. The only one I looked into and came away angry at the cop was the Sandra Bland case. But that cop didn’t kill her, he got fired for what he did, and there’s not definitive evidence that he was driven by racism, as a black female cop was there backing him up while he acted like a dick.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @JimDandy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

    Tamir Rice was also just a kid AFAIK.

    The shooting was justified in that it is not inexcusable in the heat of the moment, but... it was pretty lame.

    The cops came in hot and clearly made no attempt to deescalate the situation as they shot the kid before the car had even come to a stop.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Patrick McNally

    , @schnellandine
    @JimDandy


    I’m even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him–
     
    Good god. Nice when psychopaths self-ident on the ol' UR.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @rebel yell
    @JimDandy

    The guy with the knife in Chicago - yes, he needed to be shot. Watched the whole video, cop did nothing wrong.
    Sandra Bland - watched the whole video, cop did nothing wrong. Sandra Bland was a butt head and wouldn't cooperate so he could write her the ticket.
    Cop in South Carolina shot the guy running away after a running fight with him - the perp had it coming. Not great that the cop shot him in the back, but since I hire the police to do dirty work for me I would not charge the cop. That cop should not be in prison today, but he is.
    Philo Castille - he and the cop were both stupid. Since I hire the police to do the dirty work for me I would not charge the cop.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @Muggles
    @JimDandy


    The only one I looked into and came away angry at the cop was the Sandra Bland case. But that cop didn’t kill her, he got fired for what he did, and there’s not definitive evidence that he was driven by racism, as a black female cop was there backing him up while he acted like a dick.
     
    Sandra Bland committed suicide in a small county jail, all by herself. Her family in nearby Houston wouldn't put up $500 bail for her. There were extensive investigations that all concluded this.

    There was considerable evidence in emails and family statements that while she was from the Houston area, had been going to school in the Chicago area. These reports stated that she was boasting about coming back to Texas to somehow "teach" the local cops, rednecks, etc. about their "racism." She was coming back to a HBU near Houston when she was arrested for mouthing off.

    While the trooper wasn't very polite, Bland wasn't either. She was setting herself up as some sort of martyr.

    So for this we are supposed to feel "white guilt'?
  23. @Reg Cæsar
    Ahmaud Arbery:


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXith0iXgAIEaQA.jpg


    Not to be confused with Amaury de Riencourt:


    https://images.gr-assets.com/authors/1390689124p8/501658.jpg

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    Wait,which one is the one who got shot?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Father O'Hara


    Wait, which one is the one who got shot?

     

    Well, at the end of his life, Riencourt resided in Switzerland, where every grown male citizen has access to an assault rifle...
  24. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    That one was on Philando, IMO. I'd wager he was baked out of his mind, and it cost him his life. The cop was clearly freaking out and telling him to stop reaching, but he kept reaching. Like all of us, a cop only has one life to lose.

    Almost all of the high profile "racist white cop/civilian hunts and kills black person for sport" narratives are false... Trayvon, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Saint George, The Holy Jogger, Breonna Taylor. The drunk-driver asshole who fought the cops in the Atlanta Wendy's parking lot, stole a taser and got shot as he fired it got what he deserved. I'm even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him--I maintain that if you watch the video closely, knifeboy starts to whirl in the direction of the cop (plenty of stats on the lethal dangers of a knife at that distance). Going back, the OTHER black fellow who famously fought the cop and stole his taser before the cop shot him... ok, that one was borderline. The only one I looked into and came away angry at the cop was the Sandra Bland case. But that cop didn't kill her, he got fired for what he did, and there's not definitive evidence that he was driven by racism, as a black female cop was there backing him up while he acted like a dick.

    Replies: @vhrm, @schnellandine, @rebel yell, @Muggles

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

    Tamir Rice was also just a kid AFAIK.

    The shooting was justified in that it is not inexcusable in the heat of the moment, but… it was pretty lame.

    The cops came in hot and clearly made no attempt to deescalate the situation as they shot the kid before the car had even come to a stop.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @vhrm

    He was a 198 pound boogie who an eyewitness had estimated as "about 20" years old in one of several 911 calls which stemmed from him sighting in, several different times, on adult strangers with a full Weaver Stance in a park with an illegally modified replica pistol.

    My Cleveland friends told me his "fambly" scrubbed their social media right after. It was replete with guns, weed, money and gang symbolism.

    The cops rolled up on him. He reached for his weapon--or it looked like he did. And that was that. If it was real and he killed the cop you wouldn't say boo about it.

    , @Mike Tre
    @vhrm

    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.

    Replies: @vhrm

    , @JimDandy
    @vhrm

    I agree with that assessment. Nothing to cheer about, that's for sure, but... He was 5 feet 7 inches and 195 pounds, apparently, and he was carrying a gun. It's a jungle out there, etc.

    At the beginning of the call and again in the middle, he says of the pistol "it's probably fake." Toward the end of the two-minute call, the caller states that "he is probably a juvenile"; however, this information was not relayed to officers Loehmann and Garmback on the initial dispatch. The officers reported that upon their arrival, they both continuously yelled "show me your hands" through the open patrol car window. Loehmann further stated that instead of showing his hands, it appeared as if Rice was trying to draw: "I knew it was a gun and I knew it was coming out."The officer shot twice, hitting Rice once in the torso."

    , @Patrick McNally
    @vhrm

    The Tamir Rice incident involves another altogether different issue. As far as I can remember, all of the toy guns which myself and acquaintances played with back in the 1970s were obviously toy guns. I think it was in the 1980s (though I'm not able to recall as well since I was past a certain age by then and didn't attention to some things that I once would have) that toy guns started appearing which were much more realistic in their appearance. I suppose that in a suburb like Brookline, Massachusetts, this wouldn't make much of a difference.

    But what started to happen was very realistic looking toy guns began to appear in the hands of boys living in high crime areas. That introduces a totally new and unnecessary variable for the police. Now they have to make an on-the-spot decision about whether or not something which looks like a gun is real, sometimes in a climate where it is well-known that a lot of dangerous are walking around. The best way of addressing this issue if via "toy gun control." Don't try to outlaw toy guns, but every toy manufactured to look like a gun should be easily distinguishable from the real thing. They were that way in the 1970s. In fact, a lot of times when as kids we were "playing war" we just go outside looking for sticks. Find a stich that has the right length and a branch-stub sticking out and pretend that it's a gun.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Veteran Aryan

  25. @JohnnyWalker123
    Superstar rapper DMX overdosed and had a heart attack.

    He's now on life support.

    https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1378507564539854853

    Sample of his music. One of his most popular songs, released back in 1998.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2l0Mta9X0k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI

    He's father to 15 kids.

    He performed at Woodstock in 1999.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CdUdQ2ac

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Anon, @Pericles, @donut, @duncsbaby, @Negrolphin Pool, @Jim Christian

    Oh… so he performed at the ‘rapey’ Woodstock… sounds about right…

  26. @vhrm
    That is an impressive list! The first few items seemed unrelated to the claims and i thought it would be fluff, but the rest of the document is ample documentation of the "jogger" routine.

    How many people will actually ever read it or find out about it?

    The MSM's slanted coverage of these things almost makes me wish for UK style bans on crime reporting before conviction. Almost.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    If Donald Trump picked his nose in 1982, or Sarah Palin had farted during an 8th grade sleepover, the MSM will go wall to wall with it approximately an hour after finding out about it, after aggressively digging for any dirt that they could.

  27. Anon[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Superstar rapper DMX overdosed and had a heart attack.

    He's now on life support.

    https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1378507564539854853

    Sample of his music. One of his most popular songs, released back in 1998.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2l0Mta9X0k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI

    He's father to 15 kids.

    He performed at Woodstock in 1999.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CdUdQ2ac

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Anon, @Pericles, @donut, @duncsbaby, @Negrolphin Pool, @Jim Christian

    Thanks god he can’t breed anymore. One more stupid, worthless black will be dead soon.

    If he had any innate value in life, he would never have chosen to use drugs because he would have known his responsibility was to stay alive and healthy so he could look after and raise his kids.

    Because that’s what fathers do. REAL fathers.

    Btw, his ‘music’ is crap.

  28. @vhrm
    @JimDandy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

    Tamir Rice was also just a kid AFAIK.

    The shooting was justified in that it is not inexcusable in the heat of the moment, but... it was pretty lame.

    The cops came in hot and clearly made no attempt to deescalate the situation as they shot the kid before the car had even come to a stop.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Patrick McNally

    He was a 198 pound boogie who an eyewitness had estimated as “about 20” years old in one of several 911 calls which stemmed from him sighting in, several different times, on adult strangers with a full Weaver Stance in a park with an illegally modified replica pistol.

    My Cleveland friends told me his “fambly” scrubbed their social media right after. It was replete with guns, weed, money and gang symbolism.

    The cops rolled up on him. He reached for his weapon–or it looked like he did. And that was that. If it was real and he killed the cop you wouldn’t say boo about it.

  29. @ScarletNumber
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You mentioned this 26 minutes ago in a different thread.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @paum, @Richard B

    So?

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  30. siv says:

    I missed the part where Arbery actually stole something in that neighborhood before he was chased down and shot dead by a simpleminded racist cracker who Arbery never stole anything from. And what was he going to steal and conceal on his person from a construction site and then run home with for 12 miles?
    Nobody involved with the murder of Arbery was a legitimate peace officer, much less a justified vigilante. This was the rottenest cop-sucking jurisdiction in the whole state of Georgia with bad cops protected by a criminally corrupt DA. This is where the cops murdered pretty white woman Caroline Smalls before one of them capped his ex-wife and her boyfriend before killing himself.

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @No Recent Commenting History
    @siv

    Not quite sure what you're trying to say. Could you restate that?

    , @JimDandy
    @siv

    was chased down and shot dead by a simpleminded racist cracker who Arbery never stole anything from.

    Nice try. False narrative.

    And what was he going to steal and conceal on his person from a construction site and then run home with for 12 miles?

    Whatever the hell he could. He was a borderline-retarded running stealing machine, which is not to say that he was good at stealing.* Decent runner though. Shoulda stuck to running instead of trying to steal that gun.

    * https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8337983/Bodycam-video-appears-Ahmaud-Arbery-cuffed-attempting-steal-TV-2017.html

    , @Whataboutery2020
    @siv

    "a simpleminded racist cracker"

    who still got the drop on your homeboy.

    , @Hateful Hornytoad
    @siv

    You missed the part where Arbery stole something? Why were you looking for that part? Is it illegal to confront a criminal piece of **** before they steal something?

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  31. @vhrm
    @JimDandy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

    Tamir Rice was also just a kid AFAIK.

    The shooting was justified in that it is not inexcusable in the heat of the moment, but... it was pretty lame.

    The cops came in hot and clearly made no attempt to deescalate the situation as they shot the kid before the car had even come to a stop.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Patrick McNally

    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Mike Tre


    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.
     
    Yeah, because who ever heard of kids waving around toy guns at playgrounds? There might be a commenter in this thread who hasn't done that, but i wouldn't bet on it.

    In any case, the kid part doesn't matter. The US has more guns than people still has some remnants of a gun culture, what with the 2nd Amendment and stuff. Cops can't lose their sh-t just because they hear about someone with a gun or because they think someone might have a gun or even if they SEE a gun.

    I'm guessing you haven't seen the video or you'd know that Rice was by himself and there were no other people around an there was no "action" of any sort until the cops roared in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oafMsUbCW4A

    How would i have handled it? I would have stopped the car well away from him, gotten out, taken stock for a second, and said hello.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Veteran Aryan, @Whataboutery2020, @Fjjgff hgchh

  32. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    That one was on Philando, IMO. I'd wager he was baked out of his mind, and it cost him his life. The cop was clearly freaking out and telling him to stop reaching, but he kept reaching. Like all of us, a cop only has one life to lose.

    Almost all of the high profile "racist white cop/civilian hunts and kills black person for sport" narratives are false... Trayvon, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Saint George, The Holy Jogger, Breonna Taylor. The drunk-driver asshole who fought the cops in the Atlanta Wendy's parking lot, stole a taser and got shot as he fired it got what he deserved. I'm even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him--I maintain that if you watch the video closely, knifeboy starts to whirl in the direction of the cop (plenty of stats on the lethal dangers of a knife at that distance). Going back, the OTHER black fellow who famously fought the cop and stole his taser before the cop shot him... ok, that one was borderline. The only one I looked into and came away angry at the cop was the Sandra Bland case. But that cop didn't kill her, he got fired for what he did, and there's not definitive evidence that he was driven by racism, as a black female cop was there backing him up while he acted like a dick.

    Replies: @vhrm, @schnellandine, @rebel yell, @Muggles

    I’m even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him–

    Good god. Nice when psychopaths self-ident on the ol’ UR.

    • Disagree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @schnellandine

    Mmm.... I love the sound of clutched pearls in the evening.

  33. @Jonathan Mason
    I was having a discussion with a black friend some years ago, and I asked him why, if it was true that there are numerous police death squads randomly executing black people for the offense of being black, they didn't find some better sample black lives matter cases for public consumption than focusing on deaths of black petty criminals in confrontations with the police.

    Of course he really had no answer.

    In discussions about the woes of the public education system in which black youth were failing to catch an education, he was full of woe with examples of how black youth were discriminated against, but when I suggested that black youth should have separate schools with black teachers and administrators, where black children could be taught in a culturally appropriate manner, as is the case in many parts of the Caribbean, for some reason he didn't want that either.

    Some people are never satisfied.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Chris Renner

    “… they didn’t find some better sample black lives matter cases for public consumption”

    But they do! and they are.

    For example, I just saw tonight a local news report that finally (!) showed a picture of Noah Green, the black guy who knifed a Capital police officer to death.

    Pay close attention. They showed a picture of a black man, identified him as Noah Green, and said that he was a black man who was shot dead by Capital police, a matter which is now under investigation.

    No mention of Green being armed with a knife, attacking and killing a police officer, no mention of his politics.

    You see? Heads they win, tails you lose. Careful omission of fact wins again.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anon7

    Good thing I'm completely indifferent to the fate of anyone willing to defend our rulers

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @Anon7

    "Heads they win, tails you lose. Careful omission of fact wins again."

    Yes, we all know the leftist mass media do this as a matter of policy. And we know the reporters and publishers doing this will avoid blacks in their personal and family lives when they can. The only explanation for this behavior that I can see is the promotion of racial discord for its own sake. Who benefits?

  34. @ScarletNumber
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You mentioned this 26 minutes ago in a different thread.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @paum, @Richard B

    You should repeat that comment in the other thread as well, for symmetry’s sake.

    • LOL: Polistra, Swamp Fox
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  35. @ScarletNumber
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You mentioned this 26 minutes ago in a different thread.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @paum, @Richard B

    You mentioned this 26 minutes ago in a different thread.

    Creepiest Troll Comment of 2021.

    But the year’s still got eight months to go. So you might get bumped.

    Though that’ll take some doing.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  36. Nothing like strife to sell papers and nothing like the divide between the detail-oriented and the non-detail-oriented if strife is what you’re looking for.

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/418466-once-is-happenstance-twice-is-coincidence-three-times-is-enemy

  37. @Jonathan Mason
    I was having a discussion with a black friend some years ago, and I asked him why, if it was true that there are numerous police death squads randomly executing black people for the offense of being black, they didn't find some better sample black lives matter cases for public consumption than focusing on deaths of black petty criminals in confrontations with the police.

    Of course he really had no answer.

    In discussions about the woes of the public education system in which black youth were failing to catch an education, he was full of woe with examples of how black youth were discriminated against, but when I suggested that black youth should have separate schools with black teachers and administrators, where black children could be taught in a culturally appropriate manner, as is the case in many parts of the Caribbean, for some reason he didn't want that either.

    Some people are never satisfied.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Chris Renner

    I’m acquainted with a Barbadian-American family. One of their explanations for their ethnic group’s success in the US was the strict schools in their ancestral homeland (like most things in the Anglo-Carribean countries, they were founded by white settlers who weren’t numerous enough to run them even if they had been inclined to do so).

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Chris Renner

    That's certainly a lot more palatable of an explanation -- to say nothing of more politically astute and "anti-racist" -- than the hardcore Bajan truth: "We keep ourselves, and especially our children, as far away from those horrible American blacks, and their disgusting culture, as we possibly can."

  38. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    The bioleninist angle would perhaps be that the system is trying to recruit pieces of shit, and so by making martyrs of pieces of shit, they're both generally advertising the system to pieces of shit, and specifically advertising that they will defend and valorise pieces of shit.

    Are you a violent criminal fuck-up? Do you resent your low status? Would you like to take your resentments out on others, with impunity? WE WANT YOU!

    Edit: people wondered how Kyle Rittenhouse was able to fire three bullets into a crowd and hit three paedos. Maybe it's this. Maybe this is how you get tens of thousands of criminals to riot in the streets: by implicitly making the defence of criminality a political cause.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    He didn’t fire into a crowd.

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Desiderius

    Poetic licence. He didn't hit three paedos either.

  39. @Kronos

    Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police? Or is that a feature? Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?
     
    It’s a feature with a capital F.

    I’m currently listening to Thomas Frank’s “ The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism” and it’s extraordinary how much the racial antagonism script has flipped after the 1960s. (I consider Frank part of a dwindling circle of anti-woke leftists who remain on the edge of MSM thought. Sorta like how Victor Davis Hanson dances between the line of Conservative Inc. and dissident right thought.) Frank contends that racial animosity was heavily stoked to derail economic reform during the late 19th and early 20th century. A black crime was highly publicized and induced whites toward violent action (though much more controlled and orderly compared to contemporary black mass riots.) But since the 1960s, Woke Capital outsourced anti-populist duties from the KKK to BLM and other organizations. If white working class citizens get uppity a Rodney King style incident gets heavily skewed coverage and becomes highly publicized. That induces riots and race becomes center stage over economic interest. Since the 2008 Great Recession populist sentiment has grown and Wokeness is the enforcement arm of predatory finance.

    https://www.amazon.com/People-No-Populism-Fight-Democracy-ebook/dp/B07R8PCLWL/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Thomas+frank&qid=1617501784&sr=8-2

    Replies: @Desiderius, @F. Galton

    No need to get any more complicated than that. We can all see where wokeness is most virulent.

  40. CCZ says:

    An exception to “Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings”??

    A shooting at a house party early Saturday left three people dead and four others injured in Wilmington, North Carolina, police said.

    Gunfire erupted inside the home, striking the seven people, according to police, who said they were called there shortly after midnight.

    Police described the shooting as a gunfight in a news release but did not elaborate.

    The shootings happened at 718 Kidder St. around midnight. Williams says they do not yet have any suspects or motive for the shooting.

    Police have released the names of the victims. 22-year-old Zieyah Wade, 21-year old Shamir Jones, and a 16-year-old female (who’s name is being withheld due to her age) were killed in the shooting early Saturday morning. Keyshawn James (21), Zykeria Crawford (19), Valery Orelus (18), and Zymiryon Atkins (18), were injured during the incident but survived. They are being treated at New Hanover Regional Medical Center.

    https://www.nbc12.com/2021/04/03/mass-shooting-wilmington-nc-seven-people-shot-three-dead/

    • Replies: @Jon
    @CCZ

    More injured (4) than dead (3) means black. It's not the 8-to-1 usual ratio, bit it's still a win for Sailer's Law.

    , @Neuday
    @CCZ


    Gunfire erupted
     
    They use this term so often that the next time some volcano goes off I'm going to immediately assume some negro caused it.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @CCZ

    We still don't know how many shots were fired by how many gunshines.

  41. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:

    On November 18, 2019, home surveillance video at 220 Satilla Drive captures Mr. Arbery at night and in the dark canvassing the interior property and valuables contained Within;

    Something I know about blacks is that they are, well, black. It will be interesting to see how they can positively identify Arbery at night and in the dark.

    Defense counsel are going to throw up all kinds of crap and hope that something sticks.

    You used to say something about “believing your own lying eyes”, but in these cases (George Floyd had a cop’s knee on his neck, junkie or not that’s dangerous) you seem really keen on creating a counter-narrative.

    • Replies: @Dube
    @Anon

    The pics of Arbery within a private structure have been posted elsewhere here at UR. Whether he was "canvassing" or not is interpretation. He was looking about. Possibly surprised to find himself enclosed by someone else's walls.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    You used to say something about “believing your own lying eyes”, but in these cases (George Floyd had a cop’s knee on his neck, junkie or not that’s dangerous)
     
    It actually isn’t dangerous. Chauvin didn’t cause any harm to Floyd.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Curle
    @Anon

    I would imagine it is the pressure being applied, or not, that determines the dangerousness. You have some special knowledge?

  42. I once took a jog along International Blvd. in Oakland. Someone threw a bottle at me. It smashed just ahead of me.

    Maybe the aspiring center fielder thought I was casing the Section 8 apartments.

  43. @schnellandine
    @JimDandy


    I’m even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him–
     
    Good god. Nice when psychopaths self-ident on the ol' UR.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Mmm…. I love the sound of clutched pearls in the evening.

    • LOL: Polistra
  44. @vhrm
    @JimDandy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

    Tamir Rice was also just a kid AFAIK.

    The shooting was justified in that it is not inexcusable in the heat of the moment, but... it was pretty lame.

    The cops came in hot and clearly made no attempt to deescalate the situation as they shot the kid before the car had even come to a stop.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Patrick McNally

    I agree with that assessment. Nothing to cheer about, that’s for sure, but… He was 5 feet 7 inches and 195 pounds, apparently, and he was carrying a gun. It’s a jungle out there, etc.

    At the beginning of the call and again in the middle, he says of the pistol “it’s probably fake.” Toward the end of the two-minute call, the caller states that “he is probably a juvenile”; however, this information was not relayed to officers Loehmann and Garmback on the initial dispatch. The officers reported that upon their arrival, they both continuously yelled “show me your hands” through the open patrol car window. Loehmann further stated that instead of showing his hands, it appeared as if Rice was trying to draw: “I knew it was a gun and I knew it was coming out.”The officer shot twice, hitting Rice once in the torso.”

  45. @siv
    I missed the part where Arbery actually stole something in that neighborhood before he was chased down and shot dead by a simpleminded racist cracker who Arbery never stole anything from. And what was he going to steal and conceal on his person from a construction site and then run home with for 12 miles?
    Nobody involved with the murder of Arbery was a legitimate peace officer, much less a justified vigilante. This was the rottenest cop-sucking jurisdiction in the whole state of Georgia with bad cops protected by a criminally corrupt DA. This is where the cops murdered pretty white woman Caroline Smalls before one of them capped his ex-wife and her boyfriend before killing himself.

    Replies: @No Recent Commenting History, @JimDandy, @Whataboutery2020, @Hateful Hornytoad

    Not quite sure what you’re trying to say. Could you restate that?

  46. I have been getting back into running after a 20 year hiatus. Does anybody have a favorite running youtuber who could have good info for a(n effective) noob who dreams of running say a 25 minute 5K in a couple years of steady work?

    The Arbery story was transparently a hoax from the getgo. It is almost impossible to mistake a human who is working out from a human who is not working out. Apples. Oranges. The person who cooked this up has been promoted above their level of competence.

    At the park near my house negroes are working out all of the time and they are in virtually no danger of being mistaken for being criminals in-the-act. Some of them probably actually are criminals. Criminals got to stay in shape too you know. But nobody is afraid of getting mugged by these guys who are occupied doing something else. I suppose that theoretically that is a great camouflage. But. That is an enormous amount of trouble to go to.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Morton's toes

    In the early 1970s, I was struck that in Harlan Ellison's "A Boy and His Dog," that even in post-apocalyptic wastelands, they have gyms. Heck, you especially need to be in shape in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird

    , @Cortes
    @Morton's toes

    In one of the recent novels by John Sandford, the M.O. of a gang of burglars (two white couples) was to dress for sports - maybe tennis or squash - on the theory that nobody would perceive their presence as a threat. That makes sense when criminals posing as utilities workers are often reported as a menace to the naive and vulnerable in waves of home invasions and scams. Perhaps the use of costumes should be charged as an aggravating element? Impersonation of a police officer is a crime.

    , @vhrm
    @Morton's toes

    With the stipulation that i have hated running and haven't done it in years, i like the run-walk concept / approach:

    https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a32023538/run-walk-run-beginner-running/

    and
    http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/run-walk/

    "one of these days" i'm going to try to get my revenge on running by trying it again and maybe work up to a half marathon (keto / very low carb style. https://www.womensrunning.com/health/prepped-19-miler-ketogenic-diet/)

    Note: i've become a fan of very low carb /keto (and fasting) and recommend it, but in the exercise space is where it took longest to get "fat adapted" (months) and cardio was where i took the biggest hit during that time. (https://www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-fat-adapted/ ) Def. still worth it imo.

    , @Clyde
    @Morton's toes


    I have been getting back into running after a 20 year hiatus. Does anybody have a favorite running youtuber who could have good info for a(n effective) noob who dreams of running say a 25 minute 5K in a couple years of steady work?
     
    Start strengthening excercises for your knees' and ankles (joints) The ain't what they used to be plus you might weigh 10-20 pounds more than you used to. Squats are good but only go one third the way down but do many of them. Even 200 per day but work up to this.

    Replies: @anon

  47. @CCZ
    An exception to "Sailer's Law of Mass Shootings"??

    A shooting at a house party early Saturday left three people dead and four others injured in Wilmington, North Carolina, police said.

    Gunfire erupted inside the home, striking the seven people, according to police, who said they were called there shortly after midnight.

    Police described the shooting as a gunfight in a news release but did not elaborate.

    The shootings happened at 718 Kidder St. around midnight. Williams says they do not yet have any suspects or motive for the shooting.

    Police have released the names of the victims. 22-year-old Zieyah Wade, 21-year old Shamir Jones, and a 16-year-old female (who’s name is being withheld due to her age) were killed in the shooting early Saturday morning. Keyshawn James (21), Zykeria Crawford (19), Valery Orelus (18), and Zymiryon Atkins (18), were injured during the incident but survived. They are being treated at New Hanover Regional Medical Center.

    https://www.nbc12.com/2021/04/03/mass-shooting-wilmington-nc-seven-people-shot-three-dead/
     

    Replies: @Jon, @Neuday, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    More injured (4) than dead (3) means black. It’s not the 8-to-1 usual ratio, bit it’s still a win for Sailer’s Law.

  48. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    That one was on Philando, IMO. I'd wager he was baked out of his mind, and it cost him his life. The cop was clearly freaking out and telling him to stop reaching, but he kept reaching. Like all of us, a cop only has one life to lose.

    Almost all of the high profile "racist white cop/civilian hunts and kills black person for sport" narratives are false... Trayvon, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Saint George, The Holy Jogger, Breonna Taylor. The drunk-driver asshole who fought the cops in the Atlanta Wendy's parking lot, stole a taser and got shot as he fired it got what he deserved. I'm even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him--I maintain that if you watch the video closely, knifeboy starts to whirl in the direction of the cop (plenty of stats on the lethal dangers of a knife at that distance). Going back, the OTHER black fellow who famously fought the cop and stole his taser before the cop shot him... ok, that one was borderline. The only one I looked into and came away angry at the cop was the Sandra Bland case. But that cop didn't kill her, he got fired for what he did, and there's not definitive evidence that he was driven by racism, as a black female cop was there backing him up while he acted like a dick.

    Replies: @vhrm, @schnellandine, @rebel yell, @Muggles

    The guy with the knife in Chicago – yes, he needed to be shot. Watched the whole video, cop did nothing wrong.
    Sandra Bland – watched the whole video, cop did nothing wrong. Sandra Bland was a butt head and wouldn’t cooperate so he could write her the ticket.
    Cop in South Carolina shot the guy running away after a running fight with him – the perp had it coming. Not great that the cop shot him in the back, but since I hire the police to do dirty work for me I would not charge the cop. That cop should not be in prison today, but he is.
    Philo Castille – he and the cop were both stupid. Since I hire the police to do the dirty work for me I would not charge the cop.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @rebel yell

    Agree to disagree on Bland. She was throwing him a little non-violent 'tude because she thought he pulled her over for being black, which might have been the case. I think what pissed me off the most was when he told her to stop smoking in her own car. Whatever the case, he didn't kill her or even cause her death. She wasn't right in the head.

  49. @Father O'Hara
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wait,which one is the one who got shot?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Wait, which one is the one who got shot?

    Well, at the end of his life, Riencourt resided in Switzerland, where every grown male citizen has access to an assault rifle…

  50. @anonymous

    What proportion of the most celebrated BLM martyrs have been dirtbags?
     
    All of them, which makes one wonder whether this is somehow deliberate in some way. Are they trying to promote crime as a civil right for blacks as a form of reparation? Is there some form of gaslighting going on? Or is it just the simple fact that the majority of black males ages 17 to 42 are involved in crime to some degree from the petty to the hardcore and inevitably get pulled over by the police? Career dirtball St Floyd gets a horse drawn funeral procession as if he were Abraham Lincoln, a bizarre situation. Perhaps looking for logic in this is a mistake.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Joseph Doaks

    Both are true. And both are going to head into disaster, as its not 1968 anymore, and Whites and blacks are not the only players involved (one has nukes).

    Crime as Civil Rights street reparations has been the black goal from the very beginning. King endorsed it, and so has Farrakhan, the most respected Civil Rights leader in America. And it is because it victimizes dirt people, and in particular the former owners of America (ordinary White people) who are being liquidated by the managers. Who see themselves, Woke Capital style, as the new owners.

    And yes, the vast majority of black males are involved in crime — its central to black fertility. Black people alone among ethnic groups have kept up their fertility. Look at DMX, he has what 9 kids by six different women? That’s a big Cromartie Index, and thuggish violence is a sure way to male sexiness.

    Of course Asians and in particular Chinese often face black violence. This is dangerous as many are from Communist China. Which claims like Japan with overseas Japanese universal jurisdiction and protection of Chinese people regardless of where they live in the world or citizenship (as some have found out after being arrested in Hong Kong for anti-Chinese Communist Party activities despite being American or Canadian citizens). Xi styles himself as the Wolf Warrior that stands up for China and the Chinese people everywhere. After that movie. Suppose black people in the fullness of time commit some awful atrocity on a connected Chinese family. Now suppose Xi demands we extradite those black dudes for trial/punishment in China. Ruh Ro! Biden can’t extradite them. He also cannot FAIL to extradite them either. Xi has nukes (and we don’t, ours haven’t worked in years and everyone knows it).

    The policy of encouraging street reparations as a Civil Right will run right into President Xi’s desire to be the Protector of Chinese globally. Not to mention that various Cartel members don’t like activities either and are nearly as dangerous as Xi. Gangstas may terrorize some FOB Chinese family, not so much dudes with a 100 Sicarios on call. Siccing black criminals on everyone is fine when its only Whites, we surrendered without a shot in the 1950s. Other races fight. And it can escalate to Yugoslavia levels quickly.

  51. “Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police? ..”

    The cases that get the most interest are ones where opinion is divided. Harder to generate outrage when everyone is in agreement.

  52. anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    I had just assumed the Aubery guy was innocent — I had no idea he was a literal criminal who posed as a jogger to disguise his activity. One of the nice things about being on the right is that reality keeps confirming my worldview unexpectedly. Like when you realise that today is a public holiday and you were just about to head out to work. Or when you find out that someone who is really accomplished is jewish even after knowing about them for ages. it just feels good.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @anon

    i honestly wish the left was right about everything. The solution would just be to stop oppressing minorities. lol. If only it were that simple.

    , @Anonymous
    @anon


    Like when you realise that today is a public holiday and you were just about to head out to work.
     
    What does this mean?
    , @Neuday
    @anon


    One of the nice things about being on the right is that reality keeps confirming my worldview unexpectedly. Like when you realise that today is a public holiday and you were just about to head out to work. Or when you find out that someone who is really accomplished is jewish even after knowing about them for ages. it just feels good.
     
    Why does it feel good to you when you "find out that someone who is really accomplished is jewish even after knowing about them for ages"? How do you think we feel when we find out that someone who has been a contributing force to the destruction of America or Western Civilization is jewish, a much more common occurrence, believe me.
  53. @Dr. X
    I doubt that Arbery's criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd's record did. Facts don't matter when race becomes an issue. Perception is reality, especially in front of a jury.

    McMichael and his son will probably both be hung out to dry because they look like stereotypical redneck Bubbas straight out of Central Casting.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @duncsbaby, @Ben tillman

    “I doubt that Arbery’s criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd’s record did. ..”

    For the most part their criminal records shouldn’t matter. You don’t get to kill people just because they are bad guys.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @James B. Shearer

    No, but it will show they weren't acting as innocently as their lawyers say.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    , @RonaldB
    @James B. Shearer

    Here's the point. It's not that the McMichaels arbitrarily attacked and shot Arbery. They didn't. The record shows that Arbery had a history of misdemeanors and felonies during which he pretended to be a jogger.

    So, the McMichael call to the police and request to Arbery to stop and wait for the police was not simply harassment.

    Arbery also had a history of assaulting anyone who interrupted him or questioned him about his trespassing and casing behavior.

    Therefore, it is absolutely clear, corroborating the video, that it was Arbery who assaulted the McMichael holding the sh9tgun. So, Arbery initiated the assault, which was life-threatening since it was for possession of the shotgun.

    So, no. Arbery was not shot for his past. His past simply shined a light on his behavior in question to make crystal clear his behavior was aggressive and felonious.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @James B. Shearer

    "You don’t get to kill people just because they are bad guys."

    Ever heard of the castle doctrine? Break into a home and the homeowner can kill you, "just because" you're a bad guy. Florida extends this with "stand your ground" laws, which might lead to not-necessarily-bad guys getting killed.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @James B. Shearer

    , @Ben tillman
    @James B. Shearer

    You get to kill bad guys who try to turn your gun against you.

    , @JimDandy
    @James B. Shearer

    You do get to arm yourself while trying to prevent them from committing crimes. And then, when they try to kill you with your own gun, you get the kill them.

  54. I think the media/protestors/DNC would prefer an absolutely angelic victim of police violence (assuming the skin colors fit the narrative). After all, even propagandists understand the value of the truth, better to have it on your side if you can. But reality is that most people who get shot by the police are repeat felons and/or unstable. Who else fights with the police or aggressively resists arrest.

    Regarding the enormity of the lie, I forget who said that in some Communist country the point of a lie was to humiliate, break the person forced to tell it. So the bigger the better. Stick a halo on Floyd’s head. Everyone knows he pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s belly, which makes the feigned deference to his sainthood even more soul crushing, and thus delectable to our elites.

  55. @Anon

    On November 18, 2019, home surveillance video at 220 Satilla Drive captures Mr. Arbery at night and in the dark canvassing the interior property and valuables contained Within;
     
    Something I know about blacks is that they are, well, black. It will be interesting to see how they can positively identify Arbery at night and in the dark.

    Defense counsel are going to throw up all kinds of crap and hope that something sticks.

    You used to say something about "believing your own lying eyes", but in these cases (George Floyd had a cop's knee on his neck, junkie or not that's dangerous) you seem really keen on creating a counter-narrative.

    Replies: @Dube, @Anonymous, @Curle

    The pics of Arbery within a private structure have been posted elsewhere here at UR. Whether he was “canvassing” or not is interpretation. He was looking about. Possibly surprised to find himself enclosed by someone else’s walls.

  56. @Mike Tre
    @vhrm

    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.

    Replies: @vhrm

    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.

    Yeah, because who ever heard of kids waving around toy guns at playgrounds? There might be a commenter in this thread who hasn’t done that, but i wouldn’t bet on it.

    In any case, the kid part doesn’t matter. The US has more guns than people still has some remnants of a gun culture, what with the 2nd Amendment and stuff. Cops can’t lose their sh-t just because they hear about someone with a gun or because they think someone might have a gun or even if they SEE a gun.

    I’m guessing you haven’t seen the video or you’d know that Rice was by himself and there were no other people around an there was no “action” of any sort until the cops roared in.

    How would i have handled it? I would have stopped the car well away from him, gotten out, taken stock for a second, and said hello.

    • Disagree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @vhrm

    So, when you were 12 and a half years old you went to a public park and had a 198 pound, adult-looking negro wordlessly sight in on adult strangers with an illegally modified authentic looking replica gun?

    GTFO of here.

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @vhrm


    I’m guessing you haven’t seen the video or you’d know that Rice was by himself and there were no other people around an there was no “action” of any sort until the cops roared in.
     
    You guessed right in my case; I hadn't seen the video before. But now that I have, I see that Rice, who was the size of an adult, was pretending to rob people at gunpoint. Career training I guess. It's no wonder he got shot.
    , @Whataboutery2020
    @vhrm

    "taken stock for a second, and said hello."

    FFS.
    Sure, police should just be nicer to black people pointing guns at them.

    , @Fjjgff hgchh
    @vhrm

    Rice wasn’t by himself. He had repeatedly pointed the gun at a several people, and drew on the cops when they pulled up. Sad, but his own fault. Not everyone survives being young and stupid.

    Replies: @vhrm

  57. @vhrm
    @Mike Tre


    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.
     
    Yeah, because who ever heard of kids waving around toy guns at playgrounds? There might be a commenter in this thread who hasn't done that, but i wouldn't bet on it.

    In any case, the kid part doesn't matter. The US has more guns than people still has some remnants of a gun culture, what with the 2nd Amendment and stuff. Cops can't lose their sh-t just because they hear about someone with a gun or because they think someone might have a gun or even if they SEE a gun.

    I'm guessing you haven't seen the video or you'd know that Rice was by himself and there were no other people around an there was no "action" of any sort until the cops roared in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oafMsUbCW4A

    How would i have handled it? I would have stopped the car well away from him, gotten out, taken stock for a second, and said hello.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Veteran Aryan, @Whataboutery2020, @Fjjgff hgchh

    So, when you were 12 and a half years old you went to a public park and had a 198 pound, adult-looking negro wordlessly sight in on adult strangers with an illegally modified authentic looking replica gun?

    GTFO of here.

  58. @rebel yell
    @JimDandy

    The guy with the knife in Chicago - yes, he needed to be shot. Watched the whole video, cop did nothing wrong.
    Sandra Bland - watched the whole video, cop did nothing wrong. Sandra Bland was a butt head and wouldn't cooperate so he could write her the ticket.
    Cop in South Carolina shot the guy running away after a running fight with him - the perp had it coming. Not great that the cop shot him in the back, but since I hire the police to do dirty work for me I would not charge the cop. That cop should not be in prison today, but he is.
    Philo Castille - he and the cop were both stupid. Since I hire the police to do the dirty work for me I would not charge the cop.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Agree to disagree on Bland. She was throwing him a little non-violent ‘tude because she thought he pulled her over for being black, which might have been the case. I think what pissed me off the most was when he told her to stop smoking in her own car. Whatever the case, he didn’t kill her or even cause her death. She wasn’t right in the head.

  59. @siv
    I missed the part where Arbery actually stole something in that neighborhood before he was chased down and shot dead by a simpleminded racist cracker who Arbery never stole anything from. And what was he going to steal and conceal on his person from a construction site and then run home with for 12 miles?
    Nobody involved with the murder of Arbery was a legitimate peace officer, much less a justified vigilante. This was the rottenest cop-sucking jurisdiction in the whole state of Georgia with bad cops protected by a criminally corrupt DA. This is where the cops murdered pretty white woman Caroline Smalls before one of them capped his ex-wife and her boyfriend before killing himself.

    Replies: @No Recent Commenting History, @JimDandy, @Whataboutery2020, @Hateful Hornytoad

    was chased down and shot dead by a simpleminded racist cracker who Arbery never stole anything from.

    Nice try. False narrative.

    And what was he going to steal and conceal on his person from a construction site and then run home with for 12 miles?

    Whatever the hell he could. He was a borderline-retarded running stealing machine, which is not to say that he was good at stealing.* Decent runner though. Shoulda stuck to running instead of trying to steal that gun.

    * https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8337983/Bodycam-video-appears-Ahmaud-Arbery-cuffed-attempting-steal-TV-2017.html

  60. @James B. Shearer
    @Dr. X

    "I doubt that Arbery’s criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd’s record did. .."

    For the most part their criminal records shouldn't matter. You don't get to kill people just because they are bad guys.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @RonaldB, @TomSchmidt, @Ben tillman, @JimDandy

    No, but it will show they weren’t acting as innocently as their lawyers say.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Redneck farmer

    "No, but it will show they weren’t acting as innocently as their lawyers say."

    I don't think anyone is claiming Floyd was acting innocently. He passed a bad twenty and then resisted arrest.

  61. @Buzz Mohawk
    There is a preponderance of evidence that Steve is right, that we are right, but it doesn't seem to matter. The only rape fantasy angle I can see is that we are the one's being raped, like my ex-girlfriend in Boulder, who was raped by one of the handful of black men in a town with practically no crime at all.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Neoconned, @Negrolphin Pool

    Remember that post u made once Steve about a white reporter talking about muscular black men in prison & watching them work out?

    A lotta dumb white women have jungle fever but are correctly terrified of acting on it due to the social alienation and stigma she’ll get for acting out her fantasies….

  62. @JohnnyWalker123
    Superstar rapper DMX overdosed and had a heart attack.

    He's now on life support.

    https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1378507564539854853

    Sample of his music. One of his most popular songs, released back in 1998.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2l0Mta9X0k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI

    He's father to 15 kids.

    He performed at Woodstock in 1999.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CdUdQ2ac

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Anon, @Pericles, @donut, @duncsbaby, @Negrolphin Pool, @Jim Christian

    Drug abuse gone tragically wrong.

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
    @Pericles


    Drug abuse gone tragically wrong right
     
    FIFY. Good riddance to BMX or DMZ or whatever silly name he chose.
  63. @vhrm
    @Mike Tre


    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.
     
    Yeah, because who ever heard of kids waving around toy guns at playgrounds? There might be a commenter in this thread who hasn't done that, but i wouldn't bet on it.

    In any case, the kid part doesn't matter. The US has more guns than people still has some remnants of a gun culture, what with the 2nd Amendment and stuff. Cops can't lose their sh-t just because they hear about someone with a gun or because they think someone might have a gun or even if they SEE a gun.

    I'm guessing you haven't seen the video or you'd know that Rice was by himself and there were no other people around an there was no "action" of any sort until the cops roared in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oafMsUbCW4A

    How would i have handled it? I would have stopped the car well away from him, gotten out, taken stock for a second, and said hello.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Veteran Aryan, @Whataboutery2020, @Fjjgff hgchh

    I’m guessing you haven’t seen the video or you’d know that Rice was by himself and there were no other people around an there was no “action” of any sort until the cops roared in.

    You guessed right in my case; I hadn’t seen the video before. But now that I have, I see that Rice, who was the size of an adult, was pretending to rob people at gunpoint. Career training I guess. It’s no wonder he got shot.

  64. Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police?

    The libs always seem so surprised, when you are surprised by the same thing again and again isn’t that a sign of mental illness?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Gordo

    The number of unarmed black people shot by police each year is tiny, but almost all of them deserved it. Why hasn't someone compiled a list of the number of unarmed black people shot by cops each year who didn't deserve it?

    In the last 50 million police encounters, how many black people who didn't deserve it were killed by police?

    Replies: @Sean, @Tony

  65. @JohnnyWalker123
    Superstar rapper DMX overdosed and had a heart attack.

    He's now on life support.

    https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1378507564539854853

    Sample of his music. One of his most popular songs, released back in 1998.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2l0Mta9X0k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI

    He's father to 15 kids.

    He performed at Woodstock in 1999.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CdUdQ2ac

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Anon, @Pericles, @donut, @duncsbaby, @Negrolphin Pool, @Jim Christian

    “little brain activity after OD” LOL , how much brain activity was there before OD ?

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    @donut

    https://youtu.be/A1QcWr_B5P0

  66. In 2019 and 2020, local convenience store Witness interviews reveal Mr. Arbery became known as ”the jogger” for his repeated conduct and behavior of running up, stretching in front in, and then entering several convenience stores where he would grab items and run out before he could be caught

    In this issue:

    Batman vs “The Jogger”.

    With Robin jogged hard and in hospital, will Batman’s spandex-clad and Nike-adorned nemesis win this time?

  67. @Morton's toes
    I have been getting back into running after a 20 year hiatus. Does anybody have a favorite running youtuber who could have good info for a(n effective) noob who dreams of running say a 25 minute 5K in a couple years of steady work?

    The Arbery story was transparently a hoax from the getgo. It is almost impossible to mistake a human who is working out from a human who is not working out. Apples. Oranges. The person who cooked this up has been promoted above their level of competence.

    At the park near my house negroes are working out all of the time and they are in virtually no danger of being mistaken for being criminals in-the-act. Some of them probably actually are criminals. Criminals got to stay in shape too you know. But nobody is afraid of getting mugged by these guys who are occupied doing something else. I suppose that theoretically that is a great camouflage. But. That is an enormous amount of trouble to go to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Cortes, @vhrm, @Clyde

    In the early 1970s, I was struck that in Harlan Ellison’s “A Boy and His Dog,” that even in post-apocalyptic wastelands, they have gyms. Heck, you especially need to be in shape in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

    • Replies: @Skyler the Weird
    @Steve Sailer

    I recall the movie had Don Johnson as the titled Boy. Just have been his earliest role

  68. @vhrm
    @Mike Tre


    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.
     
    Yeah, because who ever heard of kids waving around toy guns at playgrounds? There might be a commenter in this thread who hasn't done that, but i wouldn't bet on it.

    In any case, the kid part doesn't matter. The US has more guns than people still has some remnants of a gun culture, what with the 2nd Amendment and stuff. Cops can't lose their sh-t just because they hear about someone with a gun or because they think someone might have a gun or even if they SEE a gun.

    I'm guessing you haven't seen the video or you'd know that Rice was by himself and there were no other people around an there was no "action" of any sort until the cops roared in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oafMsUbCW4A

    How would i have handled it? I would have stopped the car well away from him, gotten out, taken stock for a second, and said hello.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Veteran Aryan, @Whataboutery2020, @Fjjgff hgchh

    “taken stock for a second, and said hello.”

    FFS.
    Sure, police should just be nicer to black people pointing guns at them.

  69. @siv
    I missed the part where Arbery actually stole something in that neighborhood before he was chased down and shot dead by a simpleminded racist cracker who Arbery never stole anything from. And what was he going to steal and conceal on his person from a construction site and then run home with for 12 miles?
    Nobody involved with the murder of Arbery was a legitimate peace officer, much less a justified vigilante. This was the rottenest cop-sucking jurisdiction in the whole state of Georgia with bad cops protected by a criminally corrupt DA. This is where the cops murdered pretty white woman Caroline Smalls before one of them capped his ex-wife and her boyfriend before killing himself.

    Replies: @No Recent Commenting History, @JimDandy, @Whataboutery2020, @Hateful Hornytoad

    “a simpleminded racist cracker”

    who still got the drop on your homeboy.

  70. Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?

    Man, I love you Sailer, just signed up for a modest $5 monthly paypal subscription, but the “rape-fantasy” idea is one of your loonier extrapolations. The media are demented totalitarian liars who are trying to destroy all that is good about historic America. It’s as simple as that. They aren’t interested in law and order, unless it’s for their side. They are for anarcho-tyranny over whites. You know that. I don’t have to tell you. The “rape-fantasy” idea is silly. I shall hang-up now and listen to your response.

    • Replies: @David Davenport
    @duncsbaby

    Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?

    ... They are for anarcho-tyranny over whites. You know that. I don’t have to tell you. The “rape-fantasy” idea is silly. I shall hang-up now and listen to your response.

    There's an idea that the rap music business fulfills the id-level fantasies of the peepul who own the music business. The owners and the rappers are of different ethnicities. Likewise for professional basketball.

    Steve's rape fantasy angle and the promulgation of anarcho-tyranny are not mutually exclusive.

  71. @Dr. X
    I doubt that Arbery's criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd's record did. Facts don't matter when race becomes an issue. Perception is reality, especially in front of a jury.

    McMichael and his son will probably both be hung out to dry because they look like stereotypical redneck Bubbas straight out of Central Casting.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @duncsbaby, @Ben tillman

    I wish it were different but I think and fear you are right. The McMichaels, Derek Chauvin and Rittenhouse will all be sacrificed for “society’s” good. I would like to see all of them exonerated, I don’t give a fig about the rioting in the street that will be the consequence. It doesn’t matter at this point, there will be plenty of rioting anyway with the aforementioned great white defendants getting screwed, blued and tattooed.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=screwed%2C%20blued%20and%20tattooed
    (for RC)

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @duncsbaby

    I agree with you on the McMichaels and Rittenhouse.

    I would not consider it a miscarriage of justice if Chauvin got manslaughter, for negligence leading to a death.

    The training video showing the knee restraint also recommends rolling the suspect on his side to facilitate breathing after he is thoroughly restrained.

    Several people, including and EMT professional, noted to the police Floyd seemed to be in distress and offered to help treat him. They were turned down or ignored.

    Replies: @anon, @duncsbaby

  72. @JohnnyWalker123
    Superstar rapper DMX overdosed and had a heart attack.

    He's now on life support.

    https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1378507564539854853

    Sample of his music. One of his most popular songs, released back in 1998.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2l0Mta9X0k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI

    He's father to 15 kids.

    He performed at Woodstock in 1999.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CdUdQ2ac

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Anon, @Pericles, @donut, @duncsbaby, @Negrolphin Pool, @Jim Christian

    I don’t think I’ve listened to a DMX song once, from start to finish. I used to be into 80’s and early 90’s rap but by the time DMX came on the scene I was well uninterested in the style and sound. I’d bought more than my share of 80’s rap albums but always found there were one or two great cuts and the rest was painful filler. By the time DMX rolled around I didn’t even dig the hits.

    15 kids you say? Does that mean he scowled his way into the hearts of 15 different women? Chicks do dig the sensitive types.

  73. WWHCS?

    (What would Howard Cosell say?)

  74. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Someone should have helped Armed Robbery with his cover story. Like, people don't jog in Timberlands.

    Replies: @Dissident799, @Prof. Woland

    Someone should have helped Armed Robbery with his cover story. Like, people don’t jog in Timberlands.

    Is this true? When I look it up I find stories saying the autopsy reports him as wearing gray athletic sneakers.

  75. @siv
    I missed the part where Arbery actually stole something in that neighborhood before he was chased down and shot dead by a simpleminded racist cracker who Arbery never stole anything from. And what was he going to steal and conceal on his person from a construction site and then run home with for 12 miles?
    Nobody involved with the murder of Arbery was a legitimate peace officer, much less a justified vigilante. This was the rottenest cop-sucking jurisdiction in the whole state of Georgia with bad cops protected by a criminally corrupt DA. This is where the cops murdered pretty white woman Caroline Smalls before one of them capped his ex-wife and her boyfriend before killing himself.

    Replies: @No Recent Commenting History, @JimDandy, @Whataboutery2020, @Hateful Hornytoad

    You missed the part where Arbery stole something? Why were you looking for that part? Is it illegal to confront a criminal piece of **** before they steal something?

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Hateful Hornytoad

    "... Is it illegal to confront a criminal piece of **** before they steal something?"

    If by confront you mean detain at gun point probably.

  76. @James B. Shearer
    @Dr. X

    "I doubt that Arbery’s criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd’s record did. .."

    For the most part their criminal records shouldn't matter. You don't get to kill people just because they are bad guys.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @RonaldB, @TomSchmidt, @Ben tillman, @JimDandy

    Here’s the point. It’s not that the McMichaels arbitrarily attacked and shot Arbery. They didn’t. The record shows that Arbery had a history of misdemeanors and felonies during which he pretended to be a jogger.

    So, the McMichael call to the police and request to Arbery to stop and wait for the police was not simply harassment.

    Arbery also had a history of assaulting anyone who interrupted him or questioned him about his trespassing and casing behavior.

    Therefore, it is absolutely clear, corroborating the video, that it was Arbery who assaulted the McMichael holding the sh9tgun. So, Arbery initiated the assault, which was life-threatening since it was for possession of the shotgun.

    So, no. Arbery was not shot for his past. His past simply shined a light on his behavior in question to make crystal clear his behavior was aggressive and felonious.

  77. @duncsbaby
    @Dr. X

    I wish it were different but I think and fear you are right. The McMichaels, Derek Chauvin and Rittenhouse will all be sacrificed for "society's" good. I would like to see all of them exonerated, I don't give a fig about the rioting in the street that will be the consequence. It doesn't matter at this point, there will be plenty of rioting anyway with the aforementioned great white defendants getting screwed, blued and tattooed.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=screwed%2C%20blued%20and%20tattooed
    (for RC)

    Replies: @RonaldB

    I agree with you on the McMichaels and Rittenhouse.

    I would not consider it a miscarriage of justice if Chauvin got manslaughter, for negligence leading to a death.

    The training video showing the knee restraint also recommends rolling the suspect on his side to facilitate breathing after he is thoroughly restrained.

    Several people, including and EMT professional, noted to the police Floyd seemed to be in distress and offered to help treat him. They were turned down or ignored.

    • Replies: @anon
    @RonaldB

    The training video showing the knee restraint also recommends rolling the suspect on his side to facilitate breathing after he is thoroughly restrained.

    Have you been following the trial? Did you view all the video available?

    Several people, including and EMT professional, noted to the police Floyd seemed to be in distress and offered to help treat him. They were turned down or ignored.

    Are you referring to the fire fighter with 1 year experience, who had no form of identification on the sidewalk, who called Chauvin "Bitch" repeatedly from the sidewalk? Who showed up in full uniform to testify? That EMT?

    Perhaps you should base your opinion more on facts, and not so much on what the media gaslights with.

    , @duncsbaby
    @RonaldB

    The autopsy done on Floyd showed that he did not die of asphyxiation. If someone is unable to breathe they would not be able to vocalize. They wouldn't be shouting "I can't breathe!" The "I can't breathe" exclamation from criminals in police custody is pretty common. What they really mean is "I can't run away!"

    Look, the cops had called for an ambulance already, Floyd was on the ground because he was fighting to get out of the cop car. The ambulance was late which may or may not have been the deciding factor but Floyd died of a cardiac arrest due to the extreme amounts of fentanyl in his system. For that Chauvin deserves manslaughter? Not in a sane world. But we are in another reality right now where all black criminals are saints and all white cops and people are guilty of original sin.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  78. @Steve Sailer
    @Morton's toes

    In the early 1970s, I was struck that in Harlan Ellison's "A Boy and His Dog," that even in post-apocalyptic wastelands, they have gyms. Heck, you especially need to be in shape in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird

    I recall the movie had Don Johnson as the titled Boy. Just have been his earliest role

  79. @Morton's toes
    I have been getting back into running after a 20 year hiatus. Does anybody have a favorite running youtuber who could have good info for a(n effective) noob who dreams of running say a 25 minute 5K in a couple years of steady work?

    The Arbery story was transparently a hoax from the getgo. It is almost impossible to mistake a human who is working out from a human who is not working out. Apples. Oranges. The person who cooked this up has been promoted above their level of competence.

    At the park near my house negroes are working out all of the time and they are in virtually no danger of being mistaken for being criminals in-the-act. Some of them probably actually are criminals. Criminals got to stay in shape too you know. But nobody is afraid of getting mugged by these guys who are occupied doing something else. I suppose that theoretically that is a great camouflage. But. That is an enormous amount of trouble to go to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Cortes, @vhrm, @Clyde

    In one of the recent novels by John Sandford, the M.O. of a gang of burglars (two white couples) was to dress for sports – maybe tennis or squash – on the theory that nobody would perceive their presence as a threat. That makes sense when criminals posing as utilities workers are often reported as a menace to the naive and vulnerable in waves of home invasions and scams. Perhaps the use of costumes should be charged as an aggravating element? Impersonation of a police officer is a crime.

  80. @Desiderius
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    He didn't fire into a crowd.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Poetic licence. He didn’t hit three paedos either.

  81. “What proportion of the most celebrated BLM martyrs have been dirtbags?”

    Well, it’s what they’ve got when they want a white on black killing. They don’t have a case of a group of white crooks who carjack, kidnap, rape, torture, and murder an attractive black middle class couple. They don’t have a white homeowner shoot and kill a five-year old black boy running across his yard. They don’t have a DNA hit on a white career criminal who raped-murdered a 14-year old black girl 35 years ago.

    So the MSM, politicians, hustlers, etc have to make do with Saints George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, and so on.

    There ARE innocent black people murdered but the killer is almost always also black, which is why such crimes receive little MSM attention.

  82. @CCZ
    An exception to "Sailer's Law of Mass Shootings"??

    A shooting at a house party early Saturday left three people dead and four others injured in Wilmington, North Carolina, police said.

    Gunfire erupted inside the home, striking the seven people, according to police, who said they were called there shortly after midnight.

    Police described the shooting as a gunfight in a news release but did not elaborate.

    The shootings happened at 718 Kidder St. around midnight. Williams says they do not yet have any suspects or motive for the shooting.

    Police have released the names of the victims. 22-year-old Zieyah Wade, 21-year old Shamir Jones, and a 16-year-old female (who’s name is being withheld due to her age) were killed in the shooting early Saturday morning. Keyshawn James (21), Zykeria Crawford (19), Valery Orelus (18), and Zymiryon Atkins (18), were injured during the incident but survived. They are being treated at New Hanover Regional Medical Center.

    https://www.nbc12.com/2021/04/03/mass-shooting-wilmington-nc-seven-people-shot-three-dead/
     

    Replies: @Jon, @Neuday, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Gunfire erupted

    They use this term so often that the next time some volcano goes off I’m going to immediately assume some negro caused it.

  83. @James B. Shearer
    @Dr. X

    "I doubt that Arbery’s criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd’s record did. .."

    For the most part their criminal records shouldn't matter. You don't get to kill people just because they are bad guys.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @RonaldB, @TomSchmidt, @Ben tillman, @JimDandy

    “You don’t get to kill people just because they are bad guys.”

    Ever heard of the castle doctrine? Break into a home and the homeowner can kill you, “just because” you’re a bad guy. Florida extends this with “stand your ground” laws, which might lead to not-necessarily-bad guys getting killed.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @TomSchmidt

    Tell that to Mike Drejka.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Markeis_McGlockton

    https://youtu.be/4HieeP6lwvg

    Clear self defense., which is why the sheriff refused to even arrest him at first until the you know whos coerced authorities into charging him. Now he's doing 20 years in prison.

    , @James B. Shearer
    @TomSchmidt

    "Ever heard of the castle doctrine? Break into a home and the homeowner can kill you, “just because” you’re a bad guy. .."

    No, its because you unlawfully broke into their home. Whether or not you committed some other crime years earlier would be irrelevant.

  84. @James B. Shearer
    @Dr. X

    "I doubt that Arbery’s criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd’s record did. .."

    For the most part their criminal records shouldn't matter. You don't get to kill people just because they are bad guys.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @RonaldB, @TomSchmidt, @Ben tillman, @JimDandy

    You get to kill bad guys who try to turn your gun against you.

  85. @Dr. X
    I doubt that Arbery's criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd's record did. Facts don't matter when race becomes an issue. Perception is reality, especially in front of a jury.

    McMichael and his son will probably both be hung out to dry because they look like stereotypical redneck Bubbas straight out of Central Casting.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @duncsbaby, @Ben tillman

    It’s Georgia, not Minnesota. These previous incidents destroy the prosecution’s narrative. And ultimately Aubrey was the aggressor.

  86. @Gordo

    Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police?
     
    The libs always seem so surprised, when you are surprised by the same thing again and again isn’t that a sign of mental illness?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    The number of unarmed black people shot by police each year is tiny, but almost all of them deserved it. Why hasn’t someone compiled a list of the number of unarmed black people shot by cops each year who didn’t deserve it?

    In the last 50 million police encounters, how many black people who didn’t deserve it were killed by police?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @JimDandy


    In the last 50 million police encounters, how many black people who didn’t deserve it were killed by police?
     
    Killed by white police on a hair trigger who could have used less force you mean. Quite a lot. There are 5o or so police killed each year, so its not like they they are in a war zone. Many jobs are far more dangerous, construction and fishing must have getting on for an order of magnitude more fatalities per 100,000. Cops are just going to have to do things differently, and start earning their rep for doing a dangerous job, and pay, which is vastly more than people in the armed forces get. Or be dismissed and replaced by someone who likes the odds of collecting those early retirement benefits.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @anon

    , @Tony
    @JimDandy

    The kid killed by Robert Toursney in NYC. That cop really did get away with murder.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  87. @James B. Shearer
    @Dr. X

    "I doubt that Arbery’s criminal record will matter any more than George Floyd’s record did. .."

    For the most part their criminal records shouldn't matter. You don't get to kill people just because they are bad guys.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @RonaldB, @TomSchmidt, @Ben tillman, @JimDandy

    You do get to arm yourself while trying to prevent them from committing crimes. And then, when they try to kill you with your own gun, you get the kill them.

  88. confused

    Amber Guyger was found guilty of murder. In Texas.

    In the Arberry case the defendant confused real life with mass entertainment in which pointing a gun at someone is a reliable method of getting them to freeze and submit. Arbery was behaving bizarrely by running along the road like that, there was no reason to expect him to behave in anything but an unpredictable way.

  89. I’ve known three white women (bourgeois) who’ve had episodes in their life when they fell for black men who were somewhere in the gray area between sketchy and predatory. One was the daughter of a professor at the local conservatory, one was a librarian married to a state civil servant (and the daughter of a physician) and one was the daughter of a businessman from an old money family. Some women fancy rough trade.

    I don’t think this is rape fantasy. See Thos. Sowell: for the Anointed, blacks are a ‘mascot group’. People of lower status (i.e. deplorables) are imposing commonsensical community standards on people of higher status (i.e. mascots of the Anointed). The Anointed fancy that they assign status and value and deplorables are getting above themselves imposing their crude standards on our Mascots.

    Among the Mascots, there’s a strand of opinion that blacks are an aristocratic stratum not properly subject to the authority of deplorables. Note how diversity discourse promotes this sort of narcissism: any affiliation without some of the Anointed’s mascots present is defective per se and importing one of the Anointed’s mascots is a categorical imperative no matter how silly the exercise is and no matter what sort of damage is done to an institution by twisting its standards of membership into a pretzel in order to achieve this end.

    Note, BLM was founded after the Trayvon Martin affair, not any of these other incidents. Martin was shot to death after he quite deliberately walked 75 yards down an alley and attacked a local resident who was loitering around awaiting the arrival of the police, banging the man’s head into the concrete. Martin had no reason to do this and could simply have gone inside the house where he was a guest. George Zimmerman could not see him and had no idea where he was. White liberals and black chauvinists begin with the assumption that Martin had a franchise to beat him up because he (Zimmerman) had annoyed him. “Black Lives Matter” means feral blacks are not to be subject to peasants and are to be free to beat up peasants. The peasants in question would be you and me.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke, vhrm, David In TN
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Art Deco

    Which is why deplorables have a duty to get rid of the annointed

  90. @Chris Renner
    @Jonathan Mason

    I'm acquainted with a Barbadian-American family. One of their explanations for their ethnic group's success in the US was the strict schools in their ancestral homeland (like most things in the Anglo-Carribean countries, they were founded by white settlers who weren't numerous enough to run them even if they had been inclined to do so).

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    That’s certainly a lot more palatable of an explanation — to say nothing of more politically astute and “anti-racist” — than the hardcore Bajan truth: “We keep ourselves, and especially our children, as far away from those horrible American blacks, and their disgusting culture, as we possibly can.”

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  91. Mr. Sailer, here’s another legit Black martyr; but the officer wasn’t White, so down the memory hole it goes:

    Philando Castile (spelling?), he got a raw deal. It appeared he was trying to get his life in order when he was unlawfully shot and killed by a Latino officer/affirmative action hire.

  92. @Kronos

    Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police? Or is that a feature? Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?
     
    It’s a feature with a capital F.

    I’m currently listening to Thomas Frank’s “ The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism” and it’s extraordinary how much the racial antagonism script has flipped after the 1960s. (I consider Frank part of a dwindling circle of anti-woke leftists who remain on the edge of MSM thought. Sorta like how Victor Davis Hanson dances between the line of Conservative Inc. and dissident right thought.) Frank contends that racial animosity was heavily stoked to derail economic reform during the late 19th and early 20th century. A black crime was highly publicized and induced whites toward violent action (though much more controlled and orderly compared to contemporary black mass riots.) But since the 1960s, Woke Capital outsourced anti-populist duties from the KKK to BLM and other organizations. If white working class citizens get uppity a Rodney King style incident gets heavily skewed coverage and becomes highly publicized. That induces riots and race becomes center stage over economic interest. Since the 2008 Great Recession populist sentiment has grown and Wokeness is the enforcement arm of predatory finance.

    https://www.amazon.com/People-No-Populism-Fight-Democracy-ebook/dp/B07R8PCLWL/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Thomas+frank&qid=1617501784&sr=8-2

    Replies: @Desiderius, @F. Galton

    I read a commentary a while back (can’t remember where) that supports your premise. Someone was arguing that critical race theory themes started popping up in the press during the Occupy Wall Street movement, and that this was done intentionally to divide the populists and pit working-class ethnics against each other.

    Is the Establishment really that cold-blooded and manipulative? It seems plausible.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @F. Galton

    I’ve found this graph pretty interesting.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200515082049if_/https://i.redd.it/d4i0kv2p1wy41.png

    But think of comparing the KKK against BLM on a cost benefit analysis. True, one is more southern entity and BLM appears much more a northern Yankee organization. But which one is cheaper to fund? Which one is easier to operate? Civil rights legislation certainly provides more overall support for one over the other.

    Replies: @theo the kraut

  93. Scott Alexander had a piece on this question. (“The Toxoplasma of Rage”)

    He argues that a case needs to be flawed to capture the national conversation. It’s counterarguments and counter-counterarguments which keep a story in the news. If conservatives just say “yup. looks pretty bad,” liberals would get bored quick and move on. Big stories need a feedback loop of mutual rage to fuel them.

    A related element is signalling. Libs want to show how committed to racial justice they are and an open and shut case doesn’t further that. Talking about Tamar Rice doesn’t demonstrate your anti-racist credentials: everyone agrees that was horrible. Even Steve freaking Sailer says so!

    • Replies: @Etcetera
    @Etcetera

    Oh, the Rice example was from a commenter, not Steve. Okay, pretend I said Botham Jean instead.

    , @James N. Kennett
    @Etcetera

    OTOH, an unflawed case can cause days or weeks of rioting, and the rioting both keeps the story in the news and becomes the flaw that generates counterarguments. In all cases, those who hold the Megaphone can declare themselves the winners.

  94. There’s some material in the quoted document that I was unaware of, but it’s legally wrong-headed. Not that there’s anything wrong with pursuing a public relations strategy when public falsehoods need to be rebutted, but since it’s the McMichaels that are on trial and not Arbery I don’t think the latter’s criminal history could be excluded under 404(b). But, also, only the materials the McMichaels knew at the time are relevant to justification.

    There is no reasonable question as to whether Travis McMichael was defending himself when he shot dead the man attempting to wrest his shotgun away from him. The prosecution claims, however, that he didn’t have the right to defend himself in that he was beforehand in the process of committing a crime. That he wasn’t is all that — legally — needs to be proven, and this filing seems to be irrelevant to that.

  95. @Etcetera
    Scott Alexander had a piece on this question. ("The Toxoplasma of Rage")

    He argues that a case needs to be flawed to capture the national conversation. It's counterarguments and counter-counterarguments which keep a story in the news. If conservatives just say "yup. looks pretty bad," liberals would get bored quick and move on. Big stories need a feedback loop of mutual rage to fuel them.

    A related element is signalling. Libs want to show how committed to racial justice they are and an open and shut case doesn't further that. Talking about Tamar Rice doesn't demonstrate your anti-racist credentials: everyone agrees that was horrible. Even Steve freaking Sailer says so!

    Replies: @Etcetera, @James N. Kennett

    Oh, the Rice example was from a commenter, not Steve. Okay, pretend I said Botham Jean instead.

  96. @anon
    I had just assumed the Aubery guy was innocent -- I had no idea he was a literal criminal who posed as a jogger to disguise his activity. One of the nice things about being on the right is that reality keeps confirming my worldview unexpectedly. Like when you realise that today is a public holiday and you were just about to head out to work. Or when you find out that someone who is really accomplished is jewish even after knowing about them for ages. it just feels good.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @Anonymous, @Neuday

    i honestly wish the left was right about everything. The solution would just be to stop oppressing minorities. lol. If only it were that simple.

  97. @anon215
    This David Cole article from 2018 explains so much about the fabrication of The Narrative:

    https://www.takimag.com/article/handiblackin/

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. He talks about the lack of interracial rape statistics in that article. This comment has a fairly comprehensive list of what statistics are available (pre 2009/Obama) if anyone is interested.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/white-racialism-in-america-then-and-now/?showcomments#comment-4206835

  98. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    I had just assumed the Aubery guy was innocent -- I had no idea he was a literal criminal who posed as a jogger to disguise his activity. One of the nice things about being on the right is that reality keeps confirming my worldview unexpectedly. Like when you realise that today is a public holiday and you were just about to head out to work. Or when you find out that someone who is really accomplished is jewish even after knowing about them for ages. it just feels good.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @Anonymous, @Neuday

    Like when you realise that today is a public holiday and you were just about to head out to work.

    What does this mean?

  99. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    On November 18, 2019, home surveillance video at 220 Satilla Drive captures Mr. Arbery at night and in the dark canvassing the interior property and valuables contained Within;
     
    Something I know about blacks is that they are, well, black. It will be interesting to see how they can positively identify Arbery at night and in the dark.

    Defense counsel are going to throw up all kinds of crap and hope that something sticks.

    You used to say something about "believing your own lying eyes", but in these cases (George Floyd had a cop's knee on his neck, junkie or not that's dangerous) you seem really keen on creating a counter-narrative.

    Replies: @Dube, @Anonymous, @Curle

    You used to say something about “believing your own lying eyes”, but in these cases (George Floyd had a cop’s knee on his neck, junkie or not that’s dangerous)

    It actually isn’t dangerous. Chauvin didn’t cause any harm to Floyd.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Yes the knee isn't dangerous, but the experts think it was being face down while handcuffed that killed him. Chauvin was trained to avoid having a handcuffed suspect lying on his chest for any appreciable time. So Chauvin improperly put Floyd in harm's way by keeping him like that for 8 minutes despite another cop saying they should roll him over in case he died. Floyd asked to be let up a score of times, he never once said "I can't breath because of that knee on my neck". The prosecution say Chauvin having Floyd on his chest for the time he was amounted to an assault. Floyd is dead and in Minnesota that means a felony murder charge is permissible for Chauvin, although that quirk of the state's law is quite controversial among jurists.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco

  100. @CCZ
    An exception to "Sailer's Law of Mass Shootings"??

    A shooting at a house party early Saturday left three people dead and four others injured in Wilmington, North Carolina, police said.

    Gunfire erupted inside the home, striking the seven people, according to police, who said they were called there shortly after midnight.

    Police described the shooting as a gunfight in a news release but did not elaborate.

    The shootings happened at 718 Kidder St. around midnight. Williams says they do not yet have any suspects or motive for the shooting.

    Police have released the names of the victims. 22-year-old Zieyah Wade, 21-year old Shamir Jones, and a 16-year-old female (who’s name is being withheld due to her age) were killed in the shooting early Saturday morning. Keyshawn James (21), Zykeria Crawford (19), Valery Orelus (18), and Zymiryon Atkins (18), were injured during the incident but survived. They are being treated at New Hanover Regional Medical Center.

    https://www.nbc12.com/2021/04/03/mass-shooting-wilmington-nc-seven-people-shot-three-dead/
     

    Replies: @Jon, @Neuday, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    We still don’t know how many shots were fired by how many gunshines.

  101. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Someone should have helped Armed Robbery with his cover story. Like, people don't jog in Timberlands.

    Replies: @Dissident799, @Prof. Woland

    In my neck of the woods, the crime de jour is now stealing Amazon packages off of the front porch. They troll around suburban neighborhoods during the day when people are working, both in home and out, and then grab the undisclosed booty and split, usually in a car driven by someone else.

    A big problem with this is that sooner or later these good citizens bump into children in the neighborhood or the homeowner who just got out of the shower. They are in proximity with the locals who make the mistake of trying to defend their property. This is amplified by the fact that many people now have hidden cameras that record everything.

    The poetically just thing to do would be to booby trap the boxes but would cause other issues. Perhaps Aubrey should have been blasted in the face with fart spray.

  102. @anon
    I had just assumed the Aubery guy was innocent -- I had no idea he was a literal criminal who posed as a jogger to disguise his activity. One of the nice things about being on the right is that reality keeps confirming my worldview unexpectedly. Like when you realise that today is a public holiday and you were just about to head out to work. Or when you find out that someone who is really accomplished is jewish even after knowing about them for ages. it just feels good.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @Anonymous, @Neuday

    One of the nice things about being on the right is that reality keeps confirming my worldview unexpectedly. Like when you realise that today is a public holiday and you were just about to head out to work. Or when you find out that someone who is really accomplished is jewish even after knowing about them for ages. it just feels good.

    Why does it feel good to you when you “find out that someone who is really accomplished is jewish even after knowing about them for ages”? How do you think we feel when we find out that someone who has been a contributing force to the destruction of America or Western Civilization is jewish, a much more common occurrence, believe me.

  103. @TomSchmidt
    @James B. Shearer

    "You don’t get to kill people just because they are bad guys."

    Ever heard of the castle doctrine? Break into a home and the homeowner can kill you, "just because" you're a bad guy. Florida extends this with "stand your ground" laws, which might lead to not-necessarily-bad guys getting killed.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @James B. Shearer

    Tell that to Mike Drejka.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Markeis_McGlockton

    Clear self defense., which is why the sheriff refused to even arrest him at first until the you know whos coerced authorities into charging him. Now he’s doing 20 years in prison.

  104. @Art Deco
    I've known three white women (bourgeois) who've had episodes in their life when they fell for black men who were somewhere in the gray area between sketchy and predatory. One was the daughter of a professor at the local conservatory, one was a librarian married to a state civil servant (and the daughter of a physician) and one was the daughter of a businessman from an old money family. Some women fancy rough trade.

    I don't think this is rape fantasy. See Thos. Sowell: for the Anointed, blacks are a 'mascot group'. People of lower status (i.e. deplorables) are imposing commonsensical community standards on people of higher status (i.e. mascots of the Anointed). The Anointed fancy that they assign status and value and deplorables are getting above themselves imposing their crude standards on our Mascots.

    Among the Mascots, there's a strand of opinion that blacks are an aristocratic stratum not properly subject to the authority of deplorables. Note how diversity discourse promotes this sort of narcissism: any affiliation without some of the Anointed's mascots present is defective per se and importing one of the Anointed's mascots is a categorical imperative no matter how silly the exercise is and no matter what sort of damage is done to an institution by twisting its standards of membership into a pretzel in order to achieve this end.


    Note, BLM was founded after the Trayvon Martin affair, not any of these other incidents. Martin was shot to death after he quite deliberately walked 75 yards down an alley and attacked a local resident who was loitering around awaiting the arrival of the police, banging the man's head into the concrete. Martin had no reason to do this and could simply have gone inside the house where he was a guest. George Zimmerman could not see him and had no idea where he was. White liberals and black chauvinists begin with the assumption that Martin had a franchise to beat him up because he (Zimmerman) had annoyed him. "Black Lives Matter" means feral blacks are not to be subject to peasants and are to be free to beat up peasants. The peasants in question would be you and me.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Which is why deplorables have a duty to get rid of the annointed

  105. @Anon7
    @Jonathan Mason

    "... they didn’t find some better sample black lives matter cases for public consumption"

    But they do! and they are.

    For example, I just saw tonight a local news report that finally (!) showed a picture of Noah Green, the black guy who knifed a Capital police officer to death.

    Pay close attention. They showed a picture of a black man, identified him as Noah Green, and said that he was a black man who was shot dead by Capital police, a matter which is now under investigation.

    No mention of Green being armed with a knife, attacking and killing a police officer, no mention of his politics.

    You see? Heads they win, tails you lose. Careful omission of fact wins again.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Joseph Doaks

    Good thing I’m completely indifferent to the fate of anyone willing to defend our rulers

  106. @anonymous

    What proportion of the most celebrated BLM martyrs have been dirtbags?
     
    All of them, which makes one wonder whether this is somehow deliberate in some way. Are they trying to promote crime as a civil right for blacks as a form of reparation? Is there some form of gaslighting going on? Or is it just the simple fact that the majority of black males ages 17 to 42 are involved in crime to some degree from the petty to the hardcore and inevitably get pulled over by the police? Career dirtball St Floyd gets a horse drawn funeral procession as if he were Abraham Lincoln, a bizarre situation. Perhaps looking for logic in this is a mistake.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Joseph Doaks

    “Perhaps looking for logic in this is a mistake.”

    Not exactly, the mistake is looking for logic in all the wrong places.

    Matthew 7:20 “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

  107. @JimDandy
    @Gordo

    The number of unarmed black people shot by police each year is tiny, but almost all of them deserved it. Why hasn't someone compiled a list of the number of unarmed black people shot by cops each year who didn't deserve it?

    In the last 50 million police encounters, how many black people who didn't deserve it were killed by police?

    Replies: @Sean, @Tony

    In the last 50 million police encounters, how many black people who didn’t deserve it were killed by police?

    Killed by white police on a hair trigger who could have used less force you mean. Quite a lot. There are 5o or so police killed each year, so its not like they they are in a war zone. Many jobs are far more dangerous, construction and fishing must have getting on for an order of magnitude more fatalities per 100,000. Cops are just going to have to do things differently, and start earning their rep for doing a dangerous job, and pay, which is vastly more than people in the armed forces get. Or be dismissed and replaced by someone who likes the odds of collecting those early retirement benefits.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Sean

    Actually, cops are doing things a lot differently, even though 264 of them were killed last year. As a direct result of this change (due to adversarial oversight) violent crime in cities is absolutely through the roof. And, no, I didn't mean white police, and neither did you, as was evidenced by the Philando incident. All that matters is if the dead criminal is black, you see, and the color of the cop doesn't matter because internalized mhfffglrrblahblahblahblah. And the dead/shot/beaten white perps don't matter either. Two lazy, bumbling black affirmative-action-hire cops in Chicago shot a white guy in the back on video right around the time of St. George's death. Crickets. That's what your brave new police force will look like. It will lead to America becoming a hell on earth, and the next time someone is raped or beaten or killed I hope it's you or one of your ilk, rather than some non-masochistic non-idiot.

    , @anon
    @Sean

    Killed by white police on a hair trigger who could have used less force you mean. Quite a lot.

    How many is "quite a lot"? I'm sure you have exact numbers. Please share them.

    Thanks!

  108. @Anon7
    @Jonathan Mason

    "... they didn’t find some better sample black lives matter cases for public consumption"

    But they do! and they are.

    For example, I just saw tonight a local news report that finally (!) showed a picture of Noah Green, the black guy who knifed a Capital police officer to death.

    Pay close attention. They showed a picture of a black man, identified him as Noah Green, and said that he was a black man who was shot dead by Capital police, a matter which is now under investigation.

    No mention of Green being armed with a knife, attacking and killing a police officer, no mention of his politics.

    You see? Heads they win, tails you lose. Careful omission of fact wins again.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Joseph Doaks

    “Heads they win, tails you lose. Careful omission of fact wins again.”

    Yes, we all know the leftist mass media do this as a matter of policy. And we know the reporters and publishers doing this will avoid blacks in their personal and family lives when they can. The only explanation for this behavior that I can see is the promotion of racial discord for its own sake. Who benefits?

  109. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    You used to say something about “believing your own lying eyes”, but in these cases (George Floyd had a cop’s knee on his neck, junkie or not that’s dangerous)
     
    It actually isn’t dangerous. Chauvin didn’t cause any harm to Floyd.

    Replies: @Sean

    Yes the knee isn’t dangerous, but the experts think it was being face down while handcuffed that killed him. Chauvin was trained to avoid having a handcuffed suspect lying on his chest for any appreciable time. So Chauvin improperly put Floyd in harm’s way by keeping him like that for 8 minutes despite another cop saying they should roll him over in case he died. Floyd asked to be let up a score of times, he never once said “I can’t breath because of that knee on my neck”. The prosecution say Chauvin having Floyd on his chest for the time he was amounted to an assault. Floyd is dead and in Minnesota that means a felony murder charge is permissible for Chauvin, although that quirk of the state’s law is quite controversial among jurists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sean


    Chauvin was trained to avoid having a handcuffed suspect lying on his chest for any appreciable time.
     
    https://twitter.com/YungSpengler/status/1376973369338380288

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Art Deco
    @Sean

    but the experts think it was being face down while handcuffed that killed him.

    He wasn't face down and his protestations that he couldn't breathe began when he was bolt upright.

    Replies: @vhrm, @Johann Ricke

  110. @Morton's toes
    I have been getting back into running after a 20 year hiatus. Does anybody have a favorite running youtuber who could have good info for a(n effective) noob who dreams of running say a 25 minute 5K in a couple years of steady work?

    The Arbery story was transparently a hoax from the getgo. It is almost impossible to mistake a human who is working out from a human who is not working out. Apples. Oranges. The person who cooked this up has been promoted above their level of competence.

    At the park near my house negroes are working out all of the time and they are in virtually no danger of being mistaken for being criminals in-the-act. Some of them probably actually are criminals. Criminals got to stay in shape too you know. But nobody is afraid of getting mugged by these guys who are occupied doing something else. I suppose that theoretically that is a great camouflage. But. That is an enormous amount of trouble to go to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Cortes, @vhrm, @Clyde

    With the stipulation that i have hated running and haven’t done it in years, i like the run-walk concept / approach:

    https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a32023538/run-walk-run-beginner-running/

    and
    http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/run-walk/

    “one of these days” i’m going to try to get my revenge on running by trying it again and maybe work up to a half marathon (keto / very low carb style. https://www.womensrunning.com/health/prepped-19-miler-ketogenic-diet/)

    Note: i’ve become a fan of very low carb /keto (and fasting) and recommend it, but in the exercise space is where it took longest to get “fat adapted” (months) and cardio was where i took the biggest hit during that time. (https://www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-fat-adapted/ ) Def. still worth it imo.

  111. @F. Galton
    @Kronos

    I read a commentary a while back (can't remember where) that supports your premise. Someone was arguing that critical race theory themes started popping up in the press during the Occupy Wall Street movement, and that this was done intentionally to divide the populists and pit working-class ethnics against each other.

    Is the Establishment really that cold-blooded and manipulative? It seems plausible.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I’ve found this graph pretty interesting.

    But think of comparing the KKK against BLM on a cost benefit analysis. True, one is more southern entity and BLM appears much more a northern Yankee organization. But which one is cheaper to fund? Which one is easier to operate? Civil rights legislation certainly provides more overall support for one over the other.

    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    @Kronos

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1133440945201061888.html

  112. Anonymous[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Yes the knee isn't dangerous, but the experts think it was being face down while handcuffed that killed him. Chauvin was trained to avoid having a handcuffed suspect lying on his chest for any appreciable time. So Chauvin improperly put Floyd in harm's way by keeping him like that for 8 minutes despite another cop saying they should roll him over in case he died. Floyd asked to be let up a score of times, he never once said "I can't breath because of that knee on my neck". The prosecution say Chauvin having Floyd on his chest for the time he was amounted to an assault. Floyd is dead and in Minnesota that means a felony murder charge is permissible for Chauvin, although that quirk of the state's law is quite controversial among jurists.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    Chauvin was trained to avoid having a handcuffed suspect lying on his chest for any appreciable time.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anonymous

    The Rodney King cops did not know they were being filmed, and were dealing with a powerfully built young man with his hands free who was not submitting to being cuffed. Chauvin was being punitive ... unless you think the purpose of having a middle aged man in poor shape lying on his chest with his hands cuffed behand his back for almost nine minutes was to restrain him and get him under control? I would ask you to consider whether Floyd was under control at the begining of the nine minutes and the only thing being achieved by keeping him in that position was restraint of his breathing. And getting Chauvin twenty years. In the previous interactions of the police with Arbery it certainly seems the police exercised their discretion so they could get back to doughnuts. The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Mr. Grey, @Anonymous

  113. @Sean
    @JimDandy


    In the last 50 million police encounters, how many black people who didn’t deserve it were killed by police?
     
    Killed by white police on a hair trigger who could have used less force you mean. Quite a lot. There are 5o or so police killed each year, so its not like they they are in a war zone. Many jobs are far more dangerous, construction and fishing must have getting on for an order of magnitude more fatalities per 100,000. Cops are just going to have to do things differently, and start earning their rep for doing a dangerous job, and pay, which is vastly more than people in the armed forces get. Or be dismissed and replaced by someone who likes the odds of collecting those early retirement benefits.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @anon

    Actually, cops are doing things a lot differently, even though 264 of them were killed last year. As a direct result of this change (due to adversarial oversight) violent crime in cities is absolutely through the roof. And, no, I didn’t mean white police, and neither did you, as was evidenced by the Philando incident. All that matters is if the dead criminal is black, you see, and the color of the cop doesn’t matter because internalized mhfffglrrblahblahblahblah. And the dead/shot/beaten white perps don’t matter either. Two lazy, bumbling black affirmative-action-hire cops in Chicago shot a white guy in the back on video right around the time of St. George’s death. Crickets. That’s what your brave new police force will look like. It will lead to America becoming a hell on earth, and the next time someone is raped or beaten or killed I hope it’s you or one of your ilk, rather than some non-masochistic non-idiot.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  114. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    That one was on Philando, IMO. I'd wager he was baked out of his mind, and it cost him his life. The cop was clearly freaking out and telling him to stop reaching, but he kept reaching. Like all of us, a cop only has one life to lose.

    Almost all of the high profile "racist white cop/civilian hunts and kills black person for sport" narratives are false... Trayvon, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Saint George, The Holy Jogger, Breonna Taylor. The drunk-driver asshole who fought the cops in the Atlanta Wendy's parking lot, stole a taser and got shot as he fired it got what he deserved. I'm even team cop in the Chicago case where the drug crazed youth was wandering in traffic waving a knife and slashing cop car tires before an officer sped up to the scene and unloaded on him--I maintain that if you watch the video closely, knifeboy starts to whirl in the direction of the cop (plenty of stats on the lethal dangers of a knife at that distance). Going back, the OTHER black fellow who famously fought the cop and stole his taser before the cop shot him... ok, that one was borderline. The only one I looked into and came away angry at the cop was the Sandra Bland case. But that cop didn't kill her, he got fired for what he did, and there's not definitive evidence that he was driven by racism, as a black female cop was there backing him up while he acted like a dick.

    Replies: @vhrm, @schnellandine, @rebel yell, @Muggles

    The only one I looked into and came away angry at the cop was the Sandra Bland case. But that cop didn’t kill her, he got fired for what he did, and there’s not definitive evidence that he was driven by racism, as a black female cop was there backing him up while he acted like a dick.

    Sandra Bland committed suicide in a small county jail, all by herself. Her family in nearby Houston wouldn’t put up $500 bail for her. There were extensive investigations that all concluded this.

    There was considerable evidence in emails and family statements that while she was from the Houston area, had been going to school in the Chicago area. These reports stated that she was boasting about coming back to Texas to somehow “teach” the local cops, rednecks, etc. about their “racism.” She was coming back to a HBU near Houston when she was arrested for mouthing off.

    While the trooper wasn’t very polite, Bland wasn’t either. She was setting herself up as some sort of martyr.

    So for this we are supposed to feel “white guilt’?

  115. I don’t feel any white guilt, and I’m generally very pro-cop. When a cop arrests a person of any color for not being obsequious enough, I don’t like it.

  116. @donut
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "little brain activity after OD" LOL , how much brain activity was there before OD ?

    Replies: @Roderick Spode

  117. anon[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @RonaldB
    @duncsbaby

    I agree with you on the McMichaels and Rittenhouse.

    I would not consider it a miscarriage of justice if Chauvin got manslaughter, for negligence leading to a death.

    The training video showing the knee restraint also recommends rolling the suspect on his side to facilitate breathing after he is thoroughly restrained.

    Several people, including and EMT professional, noted to the police Floyd seemed to be in distress and offered to help treat him. They were turned down or ignored.

    Replies: @anon, @duncsbaby

    The training video showing the knee restraint also recommends rolling the suspect on his side to facilitate breathing after he is thoroughly restrained.

    Have you been following the trial? Did you view all the video available?

    Several people, including and EMT professional, noted to the police Floyd seemed to be in distress and offered to help treat him. They were turned down or ignored.

    Are you referring to the fire fighter with 1 year experience, who had no form of identification on the sidewalk, who called Chauvin “Bitch” repeatedly from the sidewalk? Who showed up in full uniform to testify? That EMT?

    Perhaps you should base your opinion more on facts, and not so much on what the media gaslights with.

  118. @Sean
    @JimDandy


    In the last 50 million police encounters, how many black people who didn’t deserve it were killed by police?
     
    Killed by white police on a hair trigger who could have used less force you mean. Quite a lot. There are 5o or so police killed each year, so its not like they they are in a war zone. Many jobs are far more dangerous, construction and fishing must have getting on for an order of magnitude more fatalities per 100,000. Cops are just going to have to do things differently, and start earning their rep for doing a dangerous job, and pay, which is vastly more than people in the armed forces get. Or be dismissed and replaced by someone who likes the odds of collecting those early retirement benefits.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @anon

    Killed by white police on a hair trigger who could have used less force you mean. Quite a lot.

    How many is “quite a lot”? I’m sure you have exact numbers. Please share them.

    Thanks!

  119. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Yes the knee isn't dangerous, but the experts think it was being face down while handcuffed that killed him. Chauvin was trained to avoid having a handcuffed suspect lying on his chest for any appreciable time. So Chauvin improperly put Floyd in harm's way by keeping him like that for 8 minutes despite another cop saying they should roll him over in case he died. Floyd asked to be let up a score of times, he never once said "I can't breath because of that knee on my neck". The prosecution say Chauvin having Floyd on his chest for the time he was amounted to an assault. Floyd is dead and in Minnesota that means a felony murder charge is permissible for Chauvin, although that quirk of the state's law is quite controversial among jurists.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    but the experts think it was being face down while handcuffed that killed him.

    He wasn’t face down and his protestations that he couldn’t breathe began when he was bolt upright.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Art Deco

    This is not an either/or thing, as much as our criminal justice system (and Puritanical American roots) like to pretend otherwise.

    That he had heart disease and was on drugs and possibly in some excited delirium state all increased the risk of death by positional asphyxia (https://www.policemag.com/524139/how-to-prevent-positional-asphyxia )

    As much as i think the Chauvin trial is shoddy treatment of these officers and that they should still be on the job today (with some retraining for Chauvin on paying closer attention to people's vitals when dealing with impaired people), chances are pretty good that the cops actions contributed significantly to Floyd's death.

    But the issue is, imo, something akin to a medical malpractice discussion / case rather than a criminal one.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Art Deco


    He wasn’t face down and his protestations that he couldn’t breathe began when he was bolt upright.
     
    What a lot of pro-criminal commenters don't get is that criminals will lie their butts off while they're maneuvering to get a cop's gun so they can injure or kill him with it. And Chauvin had a kind of fixed grin on his face while facing the crowd because he was getting ready for one of them to pull a gun and plug him or his fellow officers with it. It was a "nice doggy" expression in hopes that he wouldn't have to get into a firefight, at point blank range, among a crowd of presumed hostiles, on top of trying to secure the violent felon in his custody. You have to wonder how many of the kibitzers here would need a change of underwear after having to deal with this crowd.
  120. I think what is really important about this case is how much did McMichael know about the previous record of Arbery. My understanding was that McMichael had been involved with a previous arrest of Arbery and therefore already had some knowledge of Arbery’s record. On top of that, Arbery himself was already acquainted with McMichael. That, as I see, is the crux of the issue here.

    If McMichael and Arbery had had no previous familiarity then this case would look pretty bad for McMichael. It’s not good enough to just retroactively establish that the deceased had criminal intent. When the trial of George Zimmerman was going on heard some people making some pretty reasonable sounding speculations that Trayvon Martin might have been getting ready that night to carry out another burglary in the gated community park where he was visiting his baby-daddy. Niy Zimmerman’s defense case was necessarily narrower. He had been legitimately hired by the park for a job as a night watchman after the park had had some break-ins. He spotted this obvious non-resident stranger walking around the park looking drugged up late at night. He tried to perform his job as a night watchman without seeking a fight and just calling the police. But he was attacked and forced to quickly defend himself. Whether or not Trayvon Martin planned to carry a burglary in the park that night is interesting but irrelevant.

    With regards to this, the first big strike against McMichael is that he was retired from the police and no longer in badge. That means this is not Darren Wilson performing an on-the-job task. This is isn’t quite up to the level of Zimmerman who was not actually a police officer but had at least been given a job as a night watchman in the park. This is a case of someone who is completely out of uniform deciding to investigate a potential crime-in-the-making where it is not his own house being broken into but something where he could have just called the currently employed police on the suspect. I strongly advise people to never let themselves be drawn into something like that.

    But McMichael went ahead with it anyway. Probably a stupid decision, but not necessarily criminal. So now we have to judge the case on its merits.

    A lot depends on establishing both that McMichael knew Arvery and Arbery knew McMichael. People have commented elsewhere about Chauvin and Floyd being acquainted. I don’t that’s so important in that case, but it is here. If the prosecution could establish that Arbery was approached by complete strangers whom he had no cause to associate with police but who chose to wave a gun in his face, then it would be easy to make the jurors sympathetic to Arbery. But if the facts show that Arbery should have been able to easily recognize McMichael as the officer who was involved in his previous arrest, then at that point this essentially becomes a case of assaulting an officer. The fact that McMichael was retired becomes since there was no reason for Arbery to know that. He should just be recognizing “Oh $h!t, that’s the cop who arrested me the last time!” He’s not going to be thinking “I wonder if that officer may have retired already?”

    Likewise the stuff about Arbery’s use of the “jogger” as part of a pattern for committing crimes only matters to the extent that McMichael was exposed to evidence of this pattern in his previous relations with Arbery so that he had logical grounds to deduce “I remember that criminal and this looks just like his last job that I caught him on!” Without such knowledge by McMichael the evidence that Arbery’s previous crimes fit this pattern will not matter. The prosecution will just say “You saw a black man standing near a house but had no past reference data to infer that he was about to commit a crime.” At that they will simply argue that he should have called the police without attempting a citizen’s arrest (which I’m inclined to agree with) and the case will not look good for McMichael and son.

  121. @Etcetera
    Scott Alexander had a piece on this question. ("The Toxoplasma of Rage")

    He argues that a case needs to be flawed to capture the national conversation. It's counterarguments and counter-counterarguments which keep a story in the news. If conservatives just say "yup. looks pretty bad," liberals would get bored quick and move on. Big stories need a feedback loop of mutual rage to fuel them.

    A related element is signalling. Libs want to show how committed to racial justice they are and an open and shut case doesn't further that. Talking about Tamar Rice doesn't demonstrate your anti-racist credentials: everyone agrees that was horrible. Even Steve freaking Sailer says so!

    Replies: @Etcetera, @James N. Kennett

    OTOH, an unflawed case can cause days or weeks of rioting, and the rioting both keeps the story in the news and becomes the flaw that generates counterarguments. In all cases, those who hold the Megaphone can declare themselves the winners.

  122. @Art Deco
    @Sean

    but the experts think it was being face down while handcuffed that killed him.

    He wasn't face down and his protestations that he couldn't breathe began when he was bolt upright.

    Replies: @vhrm, @Johann Ricke

    This is not an either/or thing, as much as our criminal justice system (and Puritanical American roots) like to pretend otherwise.

    That he had heart disease and was on drugs and possibly in some excited delirium state all increased the risk of death by positional asphyxia (https://www.policemag.com/524139/how-to-prevent-positional-asphyxia )

    As much as i think the Chauvin trial is shoddy treatment of these officers and that they should still be on the job today (with some retraining for Chauvin on paying closer attention to people’s vitals when dealing with impaired people), chances are pretty good that the cops actions contributed significantly to Floyd’s death.

    But the issue is, imo, something akin to a medical malpractice discussion / case rather than a criminal one.

  123. @Redneck farmer
    @James B. Shearer

    No, but it will show they weren't acting as innocently as their lawyers say.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “No, but it will show they weren’t acting as innocently as their lawyers say.”

    I don’t think anyone is claiming Floyd was acting innocently. He passed a bad twenty and then resisted arrest.

  124. @Hateful Hornytoad
    @siv

    You missed the part where Arbery stole something? Why were you looking for that part? Is it illegal to confront a criminal piece of **** before they steal something?

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “… Is it illegal to confront a criminal piece of **** before they steal something?”

    If by confront you mean detain at gun point probably.

  125. @TomSchmidt
    @James B. Shearer

    "You don’t get to kill people just because they are bad guys."

    Ever heard of the castle doctrine? Break into a home and the homeowner can kill you, "just because" you're a bad guy. Florida extends this with "stand your ground" laws, which might lead to not-necessarily-bad guys getting killed.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @James B. Shearer

    “Ever heard of the castle doctrine? Break into a home and the homeowner can kill you, “just because” you’re a bad guy. ..”

    No, its because you unlawfully broke into their home. Whether or not you committed some other crime years earlier would be irrelevant.

  126. ‘…Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police? Or is that a feature? Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?’

    It is puzzling. It’s a big country; and a fairly violent one. One would think that with forty million blacks, a few inarguable innocents would get shot every year. Instead, it’s Arberys and Floyds and Michael Browns and such like.

    It’s enough to make one commend our police. Statistically, surely there should be more fuck ups. I mean, just by the odds…

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  127. chances are pretty good that the cops actions contributed significantly to Floyd’s death.

    No, there’s an outside chance the amount of fentanyl in his femoral blood (11 nanograms per cc) was insufficient to kill him. You just have to make a mess of assumptions you have no call to make. If I’m not mistaken, even hearse chaser Baden hasn’t claimed positional asphyxia was the culprit.

    • Replies: @europeasant
    @Art Deco

    There is a quick easy test to prove asphyxia. Have Chauvin lay on the ground and have a smaller person about 140 lbs lay his knee on the side of his neck. If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder. I proposed this to my wife but she declined. I propose Chauvin's lawyer demonstrate this in court.

    Replies: @Curle, @anon

  128. @duncsbaby

    Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?

     

    Man, I love you Sailer, just signed up for a modest $5 monthly paypal subscription, but the "rape-fantasy" idea is one of your loonier extrapolations. The media are demented totalitarian liars who are trying to destroy all that is good about historic America. It's as simple as that. They aren't interested in law and order, unless it's for their side. They are for anarcho-tyranny over whites. You know that. I don't have to tell you. The "rape-fantasy" idea is silly. I shall hang-up now and listen to your response.

    Replies: @David Davenport

    Maybe there’s a sort of rape fantasy angle to how the media keeps extolling black criminals?

    … They are for anarcho-tyranny over whites. You know that. I don’t have to tell you. The “rape-fantasy” idea is silly. I shall hang-up now and listen to your response.

    There’s an idea that the rap music business fulfills the id-level fantasies of the peepul who own the music business. The owners and the rappers are of different ethnicities. Likewise for professional basketball.

    Steve’s rape fantasy angle and the promulgation of anarcho-tyranny are not mutually exclusive.

  129. @Morton's toes
    I have been getting back into running after a 20 year hiatus. Does anybody have a favorite running youtuber who could have good info for a(n effective) noob who dreams of running say a 25 minute 5K in a couple years of steady work?

    The Arbery story was transparently a hoax from the getgo. It is almost impossible to mistake a human who is working out from a human who is not working out. Apples. Oranges. The person who cooked this up has been promoted above their level of competence.

    At the park near my house negroes are working out all of the time and they are in virtually no danger of being mistaken for being criminals in-the-act. Some of them probably actually are criminals. Criminals got to stay in shape too you know. But nobody is afraid of getting mugged by these guys who are occupied doing something else. I suppose that theoretically that is a great camouflage. But. That is an enormous amount of trouble to go to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Cortes, @vhrm, @Clyde

    I have been getting back into running after a 20 year hiatus. Does anybody have a favorite running youtuber who could have good info for a(n effective) noob who dreams of running say a 25 minute 5K in a couple years of steady work?

    Start strengthening excercises for your knees’ and ankles (joints) The ain’t what they used to be plus you might weigh 10-20 pounds more than you used to. Squats are good but only go one third the way down but do many of them. Even 200 per day but work up to this.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Clyde

    +1 on strengthening the muscles around the critical joints, this avoids many problems.
    Stretch out those hamstrings, too, they likely have gotten tight over the years and it would be bad to blow one out.

    Squats are good but only go one third the way down but do many of them.

    Leg press machine in a gym is also good for this.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  130. @Buzz Mohawk
    There is a preponderance of evidence that Steve is right, that we are right, but it doesn't seem to matter. The only rape fantasy angle I can see is that we are the one's being raped, like my ex-girlfriend in Boulder, who was raped by one of the handful of black men in a town with practically no crime at all.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Neoconned, @Negrolphin Pool

    How did she vote?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Negrolphin Pool


    How did she vote?
     
    I'm sure she did it the same way I did, at a little stand with a punch card. That's how we did it in Boulder, Colorado then.
  131. @Art Deco
    @Sean

    but the experts think it was being face down while handcuffed that killed him.

    He wasn't face down and his protestations that he couldn't breathe began when he was bolt upright.

    Replies: @vhrm, @Johann Ricke

    He wasn’t face down and his protestations that he couldn’t breathe began when he was bolt upright.

    What a lot of pro-criminal commenters don’t get is that criminals will lie their butts off while they’re maneuvering to get a cop’s gun so they can injure or kill him with it. And Chauvin had a kind of fixed grin on his face while facing the crowd because he was getting ready for one of them to pull a gun and plug him or his fellow officers with it. It was a “nice doggy” expression in hopes that he wouldn’t have to get into a firefight, at point blank range, among a crowd of presumed hostiles, on top of trying to secure the violent felon in his custody. You have to wonder how many of the kibitzers here would need a change of underwear after having to deal with this crowd.

    • Agree: duncsbaby, Cortes
  132. @JohnnyWalker123
    Superstar rapper DMX overdosed and had a heart attack.

    He's now on life support.

    https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1378507564539854853

    Sample of his music. One of his most popular songs, released back in 1998.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2l0Mta9X0k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI

    He's father to 15 kids.

    He performed at Woodstock in 1999.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CdUdQ2ac

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Anon, @Pericles, @donut, @duncsbaby, @Negrolphin Pool, @Jim Christian

    When he paired up with Steven Seagal, he was considered the good actor.

  133. @Anonymous
    @Sean


    Chauvin was trained to avoid having a handcuffed suspect lying on his chest for any appreciable time.
     
    https://twitter.com/YungSpengler/status/1376973369338380288

    Replies: @Sean

    The Rodney King cops did not know they were being filmed, and were dealing with a powerfully built young man with his hands free who was not submitting to being cuffed. Chauvin was being punitive … unless you think the purpose of having a middle aged man in poor shape lying on his chest with his hands cuffed behand his back for almost nine minutes was to restrain him and get him under control? I would ask you to consider whether Floyd was under control at the begining of the nine minutes and the only thing being achieved by keeping him in that position was restraint of his breathing. And getting Chauvin twenty years. In the previous interactions of the police with Arbery it certainly seems the police exercised their discretion so they could get back to doughnuts. The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.

    • Disagree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Sean

    "The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion."

    No, the common thread is inexperienced civilians second-guessing police officers who are only doing their job.

    , @Mr. Grey
    @Sean

    Anyone who has to deal with ghetto bufoonery on a daily basis wouldn't be suprised by Chauvin's actions. How long did the cops have to deal with Floyd's non-compliance? I have zero sympathy for Floyd but plenty for the decent people having to live in poor neighborhoods surrounded by thugs, idiots and predators.

    , @Anonymous
    @Sean


    The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.
     
    Police officers have been given this discretion because there is a significant population of black criminals in this society that are highly impulsive, aggressive, and non-compliant. They tend not to follow and comply with officers' orders, and frequently try to fight back or flee on foot to evade arrest.

    Without this discretion, it would become nigh impossible to arrest many of these people. Most police officers are not going to be able to out-run them. Physically subduing them without this discretion would be difficult too. Floyd was 6'4", 225 lbs. He was well built and muscled in a tank top. No police officer is going to count on a sudden heart attack or something saving them from a man of that size in a confrontation or struggle.

    The kind of soft, easygoing police conduct you think is warranted can only be a luxury for a population of compliant, reasonable people. It can't work dealing with an impulsive, aggressive, violent and criminal prone population.

    Replies: @Sean

  134. anon[847] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    @Morton's toes


    I have been getting back into running after a 20 year hiatus. Does anybody have a favorite running youtuber who could have good info for a(n effective) noob who dreams of running say a 25 minute 5K in a couple years of steady work?
     
    Start strengthening excercises for your knees' and ankles (joints) The ain't what they used to be plus you might weigh 10-20 pounds more than you used to. Squats are good but only go one third the way down but do many of them. Even 200 per day but work up to this.

    Replies: @anon

    +1 on strengthening the muscles around the critical joints, this avoids many problems.
    Stretch out those hamstrings, too, they likely have gotten tight over the years and it would be bad to blow one out.

    Squats are good but only go one third the way down but do many of them.

    Leg press machine in a gym is also good for this.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @anon


    Stretch out those hamstrings...
     
    Any recommendation on exercises or gym machines that help with this? I pulled mine a bit several years ago and could barely walk for a coupla weeks.
  135. Arbery’s defenders will still claim he dindu nuffin.

  136. There’s a 4.5 year gap between December 2013 and June 2018.

    Since Arbery was a habitual criminal, he has to either have committed crimes during that period (possibly under his alias), or he was somehow incapacitated (in jail, a psycho ward, or heavily medicated).

    While in theory, he could just have taken a break from his life of crime, I don’t think so. This guy had no self-control.

    There are 24 hours in the day, and this guy looks to me (including a video I saw of him being very confrontational and scary to a cop who caught him acting very suspicious and/or trespassing) to have been a crime machine.

    Note, too, how many free crimes he got that we know of, from this limited history.

  137. @RonaldB
    @duncsbaby

    I agree with you on the McMichaels and Rittenhouse.

    I would not consider it a miscarriage of justice if Chauvin got manslaughter, for negligence leading to a death.

    The training video showing the knee restraint also recommends rolling the suspect on his side to facilitate breathing after he is thoroughly restrained.

    Several people, including and EMT professional, noted to the police Floyd seemed to be in distress and offered to help treat him. They were turned down or ignored.

    Replies: @anon, @duncsbaby

    The autopsy done on Floyd showed that he did not die of asphyxiation. If someone is unable to breathe they would not be able to vocalize. They wouldn’t be shouting “I can’t breathe!” The “I can’t breathe” exclamation from criminals in police custody is pretty common. What they really mean is “I can’t run away!”

    Look, the cops had called for an ambulance already, Floyd was on the ground because he was fighting to get out of the cop car. The ambulance was late which may or may not have been the deciding factor but Floyd died of a cardiac arrest due to the extreme amounts of fentanyl in his system. For that Chauvin deserves manslaughter? Not in a sane world. But we are in another reality right now where all black criminals are saints and all white cops and people are guilty of original sin.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @duncsbaby


    The autopsy done on Floyd showed that he did not die of asphyxiation. If someone is unable to breathe they would not be able to vocalize. They wouldn’t be shouting “I can’t breathe!”
     
    Seems simple to say: "Get Off Me!, " if Floyd wanted to mitigate the cop's physical actions. But he didn't. Does that mean he knew what the cop was doing was irrelevant to his physical difficulties?
  138. @Kronos
    @F. Galton

    I’ve found this graph pretty interesting.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200515082049if_/https://i.redd.it/d4i0kv2p1wy41.png

    But think of comparing the KKK against BLM on a cost benefit analysis. True, one is more southern entity and BLM appears much more a northern Yankee organization. But which one is cheaper to fund? Which one is easier to operate? Civil rights legislation certainly provides more overall support for one over the other.

    Replies: @theo the kraut

    • Thanks: Kronos
  139. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    The Rodney King cops did not know they were being filmed, and were dealing with a powerfully built young man with his hands free who was not submitting to being cuffed. Chauvin was being punitive ... unless you think the purpose of having a middle aged man in poor shape lying on his chest with his hands cuffed behand his back for almost nine minutes was to restrain him and get him under control? I would ask you to consider whether Floyd was under control at the begining of the nine minutes and the only thing being achieved by keeping him in that position was restraint of his breathing. And getting Chauvin twenty years. In the previous interactions of the police with Arbery it certainly seems the police exercised their discretion so they could get back to doughnuts. The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Mr. Grey, @Anonymous

    “The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.”

    No, the common thread is inexperienced civilians second-guessing police officers who are only doing their job.

  140. @Negrolphin Pool
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How did she vote?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    How did she vote?

    I’m sure she did it the same way I did, at a little stand with a punch card. That’s how we did it in Boulder, Colorado then.

  141. Does that justify shooting him though?

  142. @rebel yell
    Black criminality is not a bug or a feature to the Woke. It is just irrelevant - blacks are victims no matter what. Black crime simply proves that whites damage blacks, forcing them into a life of crime.
    And anyway people on the Left like crime now. This ain't your grandma's liberalism. Today's young white Antifa enjoy violence and aren't ashamed to say so, much like the black criminals they worship.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey

    I think many can ignore black crime. In the Bay Area blacks are are half what they are nationwide and concentrated in a few locations. And if you do acknowledge it, well then you are racist, and that word is krptonite to any white person.

  143. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    The Rodney King cops did not know they were being filmed, and were dealing with a powerfully built young man with his hands free who was not submitting to being cuffed. Chauvin was being punitive ... unless you think the purpose of having a middle aged man in poor shape lying on his chest with his hands cuffed behand his back for almost nine minutes was to restrain him and get him under control? I would ask you to consider whether Floyd was under control at the begining of the nine minutes and the only thing being achieved by keeping him in that position was restraint of his breathing. And getting Chauvin twenty years. In the previous interactions of the police with Arbery it certainly seems the police exercised their discretion so they could get back to doughnuts. The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Mr. Grey, @Anonymous

    Anyone who has to deal with ghetto bufoonery on a daily basis wouldn’t be suprised by Chauvin’s actions. How long did the cops have to deal with Floyd’s non-compliance? I have zero sympathy for Floyd but plenty for the decent people having to live in poor neighborhoods surrounded by thugs, idiots and predators.

  144. Is that simply a bug caused by the shortage of genuinely innocent black men murdered by the police? Or is that a feature?

    It might be a feature. If a genuinely innocent black man were murdered by police, then everyone – left, right, white, black – would condemn it, and so it would be more difficult to frame it as systemic racism. If instead you find a case where things are more ambiguous, many whites and conservatives will defend the cop, permitting the media to pursue the systemic racism narrative:

    Why do they push cases where the police self-protection claim obviously has some merit? Doesn’t that distract from the teachable moment we’re supposed to be enduring?

    Steve Sailer (who in these days of escalating victimolatry is really indispensable) has called Ferguson a fiasco for the Democrats-MSM, but they don’t seem to have suffered from it. Ironically, if Officer Wilson had been indicted, the case wouldn’t have been nearly as useful to them. After all, the narrative being pushed is “racist white cops murder innocent blacks and get away with it“. Assuming the goal is to stoke the anger of blacks and give journalists an opportunity to display their moral superiority over the masses, losing the actual court case is something that has to happen.

    So, what the media wants, the case that produces maximum mobilization of Leftist clients, is the least defensible police killing that whites and juries will defend, or the most defensible police killing that the black community will still be outraged by. If an armed black gangster opens fire on the police and gets shot, that’s no use, because blacks themselves will think it justified and may well thank the police for ridding them of such a character. If a white cop shoots a black man for no reason, most whites will want him punished, especially if the event starts getting a bit of national attention. That’s no use either; everybody on the same side does nothing for mobilization purposes. Ironically, the MSM might thus end up not pursuing the most egregious injustices of law enforcement against blacks.

    In between is the sweet spot, the media resonance point, that will naturally be amplified by the media system. Police/young black man altercation happens, leaving the latter dead. Journalists and/or civil rights leaders cry racism. Accused policeman has a decent enough justification that non-elite whites stick by him. This outrages the Left, drawing more attention to the case. Once a critical amount of resistance remains in the face of media pressure, this can be cited as evidence of institutional racism and widespread white bias. This leads some whites to distance themselves from the policeman’s supporters and others to dig in–either response brings more attention to the case.

    https://bonald.wordpress.com/2014/12/13/why-the-media-keeps-highlighting-dubious-racist-police-murder-stories/

  145. @duncsbaby
    @RonaldB

    The autopsy done on Floyd showed that he did not die of asphyxiation. If someone is unable to breathe they would not be able to vocalize. They wouldn't be shouting "I can't breathe!" The "I can't breathe" exclamation from criminals in police custody is pretty common. What they really mean is "I can't run away!"

    Look, the cops had called for an ambulance already, Floyd was on the ground because he was fighting to get out of the cop car. The ambulance was late which may or may not have been the deciding factor but Floyd died of a cardiac arrest due to the extreme amounts of fentanyl in his system. For that Chauvin deserves manslaughter? Not in a sane world. But we are in another reality right now where all black criminals are saints and all white cops and people are guilty of original sin.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    The autopsy done on Floyd showed that he did not die of asphyxiation. If someone is unable to breathe they would not be able to vocalize. They wouldn’t be shouting “I can’t breathe!”

    Seems simple to say: “Get Off Me!, ” if Floyd wanted to mitigate the cop’s physical actions. But he didn’t. Does that mean he knew what the cop was doing was irrelevant to his physical difficulties?

  146. Dirtbag martyrdom is a feature.

    Anyone, even a Republican, can have sympathy for an innocent victim like Botham Jean, or even a semi-innocent moron like Philando Castile. Only the truly woke can prove their virtue by backing the likes of trayvon martin, michael brown, freddie gray, jamar clark, erica garner, et al.

  147. @AnotherDad
    Drill into the BLM cases and it's pretty laughable what a collection of criminal a*holes they trot out. Most of these thugs positively volunteer to get their ass shot. This Arbery criminal thug attacked a guy holding a shotgun! If that isn't asking to meet your maker, i don't know what is?

    Exceptions?

    I'd say Philando Castile--shot in Minnesota by the Latino cop--seems like a not very bright, but ordinary black guy. (Not married to, but at least with his children's mother, holding a job and providing for them.)

    The Latino cop--Yanez--basically just panicked. He was way too jumpy and stupid and should never have been a cop. He should have been convicted of manslaughter. And it's appalling Yanez--who actually killed an innocent guy--is walking around free, while Chauvin--whose crime is bad optics handling an drug dealer's OD-- is probably headed to jail because our minoritarian elites--mad that Trump harnessed the deplorables--are really spoiling to string up some flyover white gentiles.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Fjjgff hgchh

    I agree with your assessment MOSTLY.

    Yanez rightly profiled Castile as fitting the description of a robbery suspect, although Castile simply resembled the robber, and to a large degree, but was not him.

    Yanez was jumpy, and Castile was driving high, invalidating his CCW permit. Castile was a fool to reach into his pocket for his ID, and to continue while a clearly agitated Yanez kept telling him not to do it. At that point, Yanez had no way to know, after Castile told him he had a gun, that he was simply retrieving his wallet and ID.

  148. @vhrm
    @Mike Tre


    So a guy is waiving a gun around at a playground and it is reasonable to give that individual more time to shoot a child in the name if deescalation? Can you explain how you would have handled it, specifically?

    The cops were in the right here, and the result is very likely a lot less foolish negroes waiving guns, toy or otherwise, around at playgrounds.
     
    Yeah, because who ever heard of kids waving around toy guns at playgrounds? There might be a commenter in this thread who hasn't done that, but i wouldn't bet on it.

    In any case, the kid part doesn't matter. The US has more guns than people still has some remnants of a gun culture, what with the 2nd Amendment and stuff. Cops can't lose their sh-t just because they hear about someone with a gun or because they think someone might have a gun or even if they SEE a gun.

    I'm guessing you haven't seen the video or you'd know that Rice was by himself and there were no other people around an there was no "action" of any sort until the cops roared in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oafMsUbCW4A

    How would i have handled it? I would have stopped the car well away from him, gotten out, taken stock for a second, and said hello.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Veteran Aryan, @Whataboutery2020, @Fjjgff hgchh

    Rice wasn’t by himself. He had repeatedly pointed the gun at a several people, and drew on the cops when they pulled up. Sad, but his own fault. Not everyone survives being young and stupid.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Fjjgff hgchh

    Watch the video. While he definitely appears to have hassled 2 people on the sidewalk, when the cops got there (and for the five minutes previous to that) there is nobody in sight in the ~15 or 20 yard radius of him in the camera view and he's just sitting around.

    Even if Rice were 25 years old and the cops had been told that the 911 caller said the guy had killed someone and as they were driving in they saw him standing there with a gun in his hand they STILL shouldn't have done what they did.

    If he HAD been armed and meant them harm they would have gotten shot by getting in so close.
    I was just been going by my own layman's assessment of this, but, if you search for it, apparently this is what cops have said too:


    Hubert Williams, 30-year police veteran and former president of the Police Foundation, said Garmback should not have pulled the police car so close to where Tamir was standing if they believed he was armed -- as they were told by a 9-1-1 dispatcher.

    By doing so, Garmback put Loehmann in a more vulnerable position to be shot by Tamir, in turn making it more likely that he would fire his own gun in self-defense, Williams said.
    ...
    Williams said approaching Tamir from a distance would have not only put the officers at an advantage for firing at Tamir if he was a threat to them, but also would have given them an opportunity to communicate with the boy.

    https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2014/12/police_procedure_experts_quest.html
     
    Even the driver cop said that the car "did slide", because they were on wet grass as you can see, and "The car did not stop where and when I intended" (http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_prosecutor/en-US/Tamir%20Rice%20Investigation/Officer%20Garmback%20Statement.pdf )

    In an FBI reconstruction they said the car slid 70 feet and they ended up 5-9 feet away from Rice.

    Even the prosecutor and cops putting a good face on this say it was a cascade of failures... which it clearly was.

    But i reiterate: in a country where there are SO many guns, police (and people in general) can't overreact to the mere mention or presence of a gun.
  149. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    @Anonymous

    The Rodney King cops did not know they were being filmed, and were dealing with a powerfully built young man with his hands free who was not submitting to being cuffed. Chauvin was being punitive ... unless you think the purpose of having a middle aged man in poor shape lying on his chest with his hands cuffed behand his back for almost nine minutes was to restrain him and get him under control? I would ask you to consider whether Floyd was under control at the begining of the nine minutes and the only thing being achieved by keeping him in that position was restraint of his breathing. And getting Chauvin twenty years. In the previous interactions of the police with Arbery it certainly seems the police exercised their discretion so they could get back to doughnuts. The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Mr. Grey, @Anonymous

    The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.

    Police officers have been given this discretion because there is a significant population of black criminals in this society that are highly impulsive, aggressive, and non-compliant. They tend not to follow and comply with officers’ orders, and frequently try to fight back or flee on foot to evade arrest.

    Without this discretion, it would become nigh impossible to arrest many of these people. Most police officers are not going to be able to out-run them. Physically subduing them without this discretion would be difficult too. Floyd was 6’4″, 225 lbs. He was well built and muscled in a tank top. No police officer is going to count on a sudden heart attack or something saving them from a man of that size in a confrontation or struggle.

    The kind of soft, easygoing police conduct you think is warranted can only be a luxury for a population of compliant, reasonable people. It can’t work dealing with an impulsive, aggressive, violent and criminal prone population.

    • Agree: europeasant
    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anonymous

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying "I can't breath" before he was on the ground.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/31/22/41195792-9424707-image-a-30_1617226862920.jpg

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head, couldn't stay away from Floyd's neck, and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone. Discretion leads to soft policing and well as tough policing. They are called "officers", paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway. From the point of view of maintaining order, it has been proven counterproductive for them to be allowed to do whatever they see fit to do to the extent they currently are.

    There were multiple people filming Chauvin. And they told him he was being filmed and it would be used against him. So he knew. Moreover, more than one colleague of Chauvin expressed strong reservations about what he was doing, and this open questioning of his judgement mid incident was quite something when Chauvin was the senior cop present.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anon, @Curle

  150. @JohnnyWalker123
    Superstar rapper DMX overdosed and had a heart attack.

    He's now on life support.

    https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1378507564539854853

    Sample of his music. One of his most popular songs, released back in 1998.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2l0Mta9X0k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI

    He's father to 15 kids.

    He performed at Woodstock in 1999.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CdUdQ2ac

    Replies: @Rouetheday, @Anon, @Pericles, @donut, @duncsbaby, @Negrolphin Pool, @Jim Christian

    He had little in the way of brain activity when healthy.

  151. @anon
    @Clyde

    +1 on strengthening the muscles around the critical joints, this avoids many problems.
    Stretch out those hamstrings, too, they likely have gotten tight over the years and it would be bad to blow one out.

    Squats are good but only go one third the way down but do many of them.

    Leg press machine in a gym is also good for this.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Stretch out those hamstrings…

    Any recommendation on exercises or gym machines that help with this? I pulled mine a bit several years ago and could barely walk for a coupla weeks.

  152. @Anon

    On November 18, 2019, home surveillance video at 220 Satilla Drive captures Mr. Arbery at night and in the dark canvassing the interior property and valuables contained Within;
     
    Something I know about blacks is that they are, well, black. It will be interesting to see how they can positively identify Arbery at night and in the dark.

    Defense counsel are going to throw up all kinds of crap and hope that something sticks.

    You used to say something about "believing your own lying eyes", but in these cases (George Floyd had a cop's knee on his neck, junkie or not that's dangerous) you seem really keen on creating a counter-narrative.

    Replies: @Dube, @Anonymous, @Curle

    I would imagine it is the pressure being applied, or not, that determines the dangerousness. You have some special knowledge?

  153. @Fjjgff hgchh
    @vhrm

    Rice wasn’t by himself. He had repeatedly pointed the gun at a several people, and drew on the cops when they pulled up. Sad, but his own fault. Not everyone survives being young and stupid.

    Replies: @vhrm

    Watch the video. While he definitely appears to have hassled 2 people on the sidewalk, when the cops got there (and for the five minutes previous to that) there is nobody in sight in the ~15 or 20 yard radius of him in the camera view and he’s just sitting around.

    Even if Rice were 25 years old and the cops had been told that the 911 caller said the guy had killed someone and as they were driving in they saw him standing there with a gun in his hand they STILL shouldn’t have done what they did.

    If he HAD been armed and meant them harm they would have gotten shot by getting in so close.
    I was just been going by my own layman’s assessment of this, but, if you search for it, apparently this is what cops have said too:

    Hubert Williams, 30-year police veteran and former president of the Police Foundation, said Garmback should not have pulled the police car so close to where Tamir was standing if they believed he was armed — as they were told by a 9-1-1 dispatcher.

    By doing so, Garmback put Loehmann in a more vulnerable position to be shot by Tamir, in turn making it more likely that he would fire his own gun in self-defense, Williams said.

    Williams said approaching Tamir from a distance would have not only put the officers at an advantage for firing at Tamir if he was a threat to them, but also would have given them an opportunity to communicate with the boy.

    https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2014/12/police_procedure_experts_quest.html

    Even the driver cop said that the car “did slide”, because they were on wet grass as you can see, and “The car did not stop where and when I intended” (http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_prosecutor/en-US/Tamir%20Rice%20Investigation/Officer%20Garmback%20Statement.pdf )

    In an FBI reconstruction they said the car slid 70 feet and they ended up 5-9 feet away from Rice.

    Even the prosecutor and cops putting a good face on this say it was a cascade of failures… which it clearly was.

    But i reiterate: in a country where there are SO many guns, police (and people in general) can’t overreact to the mere mention or presence of a gun.

  154. @Art Deco
    chances are pretty good that the cops actions contributed significantly to Floyd’s death.

    No, there's an outside chance the amount of fentanyl in his femoral blood (11 nanograms per cc) was insufficient to kill him. You just have to make a mess of assumptions you have no call to make. If I'm not mistaken, even hearse chaser Baden hasn't claimed positional asphyxia was the culprit.

    Replies: @europeasant

    There is a quick easy test to prove asphyxia. Have Chauvin lay on the ground and have a smaller person about 140 lbs lay his knee on the side of his neck. If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder. I proposed this to my wife but she declined. I propose Chauvin’s lawyer demonstrate this in court.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @europeasant

    “ If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder.”

    He could survive an hour. It isn’t the knee on the neck it’s the pressure applied.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @anon
    @europeasant

    If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder. I proposed this to my wife but she declined. I propose Chauvin’s lawyer demonstrate this in court.

    Works for me. Probably less annoying than being waterboarded. Gotta be the same technique: no compression on the trachea, windpipe, jugular or spine.

    But...at the same time, you volunteer to take the same amount of Fenatanyl and meth that Floyd did.

    At the end of however many minutes on the floor, I'll get right up. How about you?

    Replies: @Sean

  155. @Anonymous
    @Sean


    The common thread here is police officers being given too much discretion.
     
    Police officers have been given this discretion because there is a significant population of black criminals in this society that are highly impulsive, aggressive, and non-compliant. They tend not to follow and comply with officers' orders, and frequently try to fight back or flee on foot to evade arrest.

    Without this discretion, it would become nigh impossible to arrest many of these people. Most police officers are not going to be able to out-run them. Physically subduing them without this discretion would be difficult too. Floyd was 6'4", 225 lbs. He was well built and muscled in a tank top. No police officer is going to count on a sudden heart attack or something saving them from a man of that size in a confrontation or struggle.

    The kind of soft, easygoing police conduct you think is warranted can only be a luxury for a population of compliant, reasonable people. It can't work dealing with an impulsive, aggressive, violent and criminal prone population.

    Replies: @Sean

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying “I can’t breath” before he was on the ground.

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head, couldn’t stay away from Floyd’s neck, and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone. Discretion leads to soft policing and well as tough policing. They are called “officers”, paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway. From the point of view of maintaining order, it has been proven counterproductive for them to be allowed to do whatever they see fit to do to the extent they currently are.

    There were multiple people filming Chauvin. And they told him he was being filmed and it would be used against him. So he knew. Moreover, more than one colleague of Chauvin expressed strong reservations about what he was doing, and this open questioning of his judgement mid incident was quite something when Chauvin was the senior cop present.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Sean

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head,

    Thanks for the display of confirmation bias. Instructive for all of us.

    , @Anonymous
    @Sean


    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying “I can’t breath” before he was on the ground.
     
    Non-compliant criminals in the US make all kinds of protestations and lies to try to weasel out of or evade arrest. E.g. "You're breaking my arm/hands!" as they're being handcuffed.

    If non-compliance, and especially violent non-compliance, were rare, cops could be a lot softer and accommodating. Unfortunately, that's not the case in the US.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone.
     
    The reason why cops now do stuff like use their knees to subdue criminals is because older methods like chokeholds and baton beatings were frowned upon. I don't know why you think Floyd being beaten on camera with batons and then having a heart attack and dying would not be controversial like the knee thing.

    The fleet of foot Arbery could easily outrun the cops, so why do you think pepper spray and batons would be sufficient? He would have to be shot at by the police, and that would just be another controversy.

    They are called “officers”, paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway.
     
    There's no basis for this considering the relentless anti-police and anti-law and order media and political campaign of the past several years, coupled with the extreme rise in crime.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @anon
    @Sean

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying “I can’t breath” before he was on the ground.

    Facts are facts. Floyd had a large dose of Fentanyl in his blood. Opiates kill people in part by filling the lungs with fluid. No doubt someone who has overdosed on Fentanyl will perceive a shortness of breath. One of the symptoms of heart attack is also shortness of breath. Witness testimony last week confirmed that Floyd had foam visible in his mouth and on his lips, another symptom of overdose (OD).

    This makes a difference because it is evidence that Floyd died of an OD. As of close of testimony yesterday, the State prosecution so far had not offered up any theory of Floyd's cause of death. That fact is highly suggestive.

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head, couldn’t stay away from Floyd’s neck, and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.

    Your emotional prejudice has been obvious since last summer. It has nothing to do with facts, though.

    , @Curle
    @Sean

    “ and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.”

    Remarkable powers of imagination you possess.

  156. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying "I can't breath" before he was on the ground.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/31/22/41195792-9424707-image-a-30_1617226862920.jpg

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head, couldn't stay away from Floyd's neck, and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone. Discretion leads to soft policing and well as tough policing. They are called "officers", paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway. From the point of view of maintaining order, it has been proven counterproductive for them to be allowed to do whatever they see fit to do to the extent they currently are.

    There were multiple people filming Chauvin. And they told him he was being filmed and it would be used against him. So he knew. Moreover, more than one colleague of Chauvin expressed strong reservations about what he was doing, and this open questioning of his judgement mid incident was quite something when Chauvin was the senior cop present.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anon, @Curle

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head,

    Thanks for the display of confirmation bias. Instructive for all of us.

    • Agree: res
  157. @Pericles
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Drug abuse gone tragically wrong.

    Replies: @iDeplorable

    Drug abuse gone tragically wrong right

    FIFY. Good riddance to BMX or DMZ or whatever silly name he chose.

  158. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    @Anonymous

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying "I can't breath" before he was on the ground.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/31/22/41195792-9424707-image-a-30_1617226862920.jpg

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head, couldn't stay away from Floyd's neck, and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone. Discretion leads to soft policing and well as tough policing. They are called "officers", paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway. From the point of view of maintaining order, it has been proven counterproductive for them to be allowed to do whatever they see fit to do to the extent they currently are.

    There were multiple people filming Chauvin. And they told him he was being filmed and it would be used against him. So he knew. Moreover, more than one colleague of Chauvin expressed strong reservations about what he was doing, and this open questioning of his judgement mid incident was quite something when Chauvin was the senior cop present.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anon, @Curle

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying “I can’t breath” before he was on the ground.

    Non-compliant criminals in the US make all kinds of protestations and lies to try to weasel out of or evade arrest. E.g. “You’re breaking my arm/hands!” as they’re being handcuffed.

    If non-compliance, and especially violent non-compliance, were rare, cops could be a lot softer and accommodating. Unfortunately, that’s not the case in the US.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone.

    The reason why cops now do stuff like use their knees to subdue criminals is because older methods like chokeholds and baton beatings were frowned upon. I don’t know why you think Floyd being beaten on camera with batons and then having a heart attack and dying would not be controversial like the knee thing.

    The fleet of foot Arbery could easily outrun the cops, so why do you think pepper spray and batons would be sufficient? He would have to be shot at by the police, and that would just be another controversy.

    They are called “officers”, paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway.

    There’s no basis for this considering the relentless anti-police and anti-law and order media and political campaign of the past several years, coupled with the extreme rise in crime.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Arbery ought to have been arrested, and had he resisted violently he could have been tasered . Police are trained to baton the limb extremities, because they are less likely to seriously injure that way. If Arbery was cuffed and yet managed to get his hands one of of the cops' guns, he doubtless would have been shot. The use of force authorised by law is unlimited as long as it is proportionate to the threat presented and ceases as soon as the threat does. Cameras or not.


    Floyd was handcuffed but not cooperating so they took him out and put him flat out on his chest--a position police are trained to avoid as much as possible, where he was held immobile with a non trivial amount of weight on him. This was not precedure at all. When Lane asked if (actually suggested that) Floyd should be turned on his side, Chauvin said “No, he’s staying put where we got him.” Not “No, he’s staying put where we got him for another minute.” It was completely open ended, and I am afraid the evidence increasing points to Chauvin having seriously malevolent intentions toward Floyd. Or maybe Chauvin wanted to make the news. Either way, he is not right in the head.

    Replies: @Curle

  159. anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    @Anonymous

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying "I can't breath" before he was on the ground.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/31/22/41195792-9424707-image-a-30_1617226862920.jpg

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head, couldn't stay away from Floyd's neck, and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone. Discretion leads to soft policing and well as tough policing. They are called "officers", paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway. From the point of view of maintaining order, it has been proven counterproductive for them to be allowed to do whatever they see fit to do to the extent they currently are.

    There were multiple people filming Chauvin. And they told him he was being filmed and it would be used against him. So he knew. Moreover, more than one colleague of Chauvin expressed strong reservations about what he was doing, and this open questioning of his judgement mid incident was quite something when Chauvin was the senior cop present.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anon, @Curle

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying “I can’t breath” before he was on the ground.

    Facts are facts. Floyd had a large dose of Fentanyl in his blood. Opiates kill people in part by filling the lungs with fluid. No doubt someone who has overdosed on Fentanyl will perceive a shortness of breath. One of the symptoms of heart attack is also shortness of breath. Witness testimony last week confirmed that Floyd had foam visible in his mouth and on his lips, another symptom of overdose (OD).

    This makes a difference because it is evidence that Floyd died of an OD. As of close of testimony yesterday, the State prosecution so far had not offered up any theory of Floyd’s cause of death. That fact is highly suggestive.

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head, couldn’t stay away from Floyd’s neck, and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.

    Your emotional prejudice has been obvious since last summer. It has nothing to do with facts, though.

  160. @Anonymous
    @Sean


    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying “I can’t breath” before he was on the ground.
     
    Non-compliant criminals in the US make all kinds of protestations and lies to try to weasel out of or evade arrest. E.g. "You're breaking my arm/hands!" as they're being handcuffed.

    If non-compliance, and especially violent non-compliance, were rare, cops could be a lot softer and accommodating. Unfortunately, that's not the case in the US.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone.
     
    The reason why cops now do stuff like use their knees to subdue criminals is because older methods like chokeholds and baton beatings were frowned upon. I don't know why you think Floyd being beaten on camera with batons and then having a heart attack and dying would not be controversial like the knee thing.

    The fleet of foot Arbery could easily outrun the cops, so why do you think pepper spray and batons would be sufficient? He would have to be shot at by the police, and that would just be another controversy.

    They are called “officers”, paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway.
     
    There's no basis for this considering the relentless anti-police and anti-law and order media and political campaign of the past several years, coupled with the extreme rise in crime.

    Replies: @Sean

    Arbery ought to have been arrested, and had he resisted violently he could have been tasered . Police are trained to baton the limb extremities, because they are less likely to seriously injure that way. If Arbery was cuffed and yet managed to get his hands one of of the cops’ guns, he doubtless would have been shot. The use of force authorised by law is unlimited as long as it is proportionate to the threat presented and ceases as soon as the threat does. Cameras or not.

    Floyd was handcuffed but not cooperating so they took him out and put him flat out on his chest–a position police are trained to avoid as much as possible, where he was held immobile with a non trivial amount of weight on him. This was not precedure at all. When Lane asked if (actually suggested that) Floyd should be turned on his side, Chauvin said “No, he’s staying put where we got him.” Not “No, he’s staying put where we got him for another minute.” It was completely open ended, and I am afraid the evidence increasing points to Chauvin having seriously malevolent intentions toward Floyd. Or maybe Chauvin wanted to make the news. Either way, he is not right in the head.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Sean

    “ with a non trivial amount of weight on him. ”

    You know the amount of pressure how?

    I can position my leg exactly as Chauvin did without applying much pressure at all. You have some special pressure assessment skills? Please describe how you perfected them.

  161. @vhrm
    @JimDandy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

    Tamir Rice was also just a kid AFAIK.

    The shooting was justified in that it is not inexcusable in the heat of the moment, but... it was pretty lame.

    The cops came in hot and clearly made no attempt to deescalate the situation as they shot the kid before the car had even come to a stop.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Patrick McNally

    The Tamir Rice incident involves another altogether different issue. As far as I can remember, all of the toy guns which myself and acquaintances played with back in the 1970s were obviously toy guns. I think it was in the 1980s (though I’m not able to recall as well since I was past a certain age by then and didn’t attention to some things that I once would have) that toy guns started appearing which were much more realistic in their appearance. I suppose that in a suburb like Brookline, Massachusetts, this wouldn’t make much of a difference.

    But what started to happen was very realistic looking toy guns began to appear in the hands of boys living in high crime areas. That introduces a totally new and unnecessary variable for the police. Now they have to make an on-the-spot decision about whether or not something which looks like a gun is real, sometimes in a climate where it is well-known that a lot of dangerous are walking around. The best way of addressing this issue if via “toy gun control.” Don’t try to outlaw toy guns, but every toy manufactured to look like a gun should be easily distinguishable from the real thing. They were that way in the 1970s. In fact, a lot of times when as kids we were “playing war” we just go outside looking for sticks. Find a stich that has the right length and a branch-stub sticking out and pretend that it’s a gun.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Patrick McNally


    Don’t try to outlaw toy guns, but every toy manufactured to look like a gun should be easily distinguishable from the real thing.
     
    Senator Bob Dole gave the USA the stu... uhh, superduper crime prevention regulation about orange-colored muzzles on non-firearms.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRxEFbjnL2o

    But don't count on it...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmpkzrwBow
    , @Veteran Aryan
    @Patrick McNally


    Don’t try to outlaw toy guns, but every toy manufactured to look like a gun should be easily distinguishable from the real thing.
     
    The toy initially had a bright orange ring around the end of the barrel but the boy had removed it.
  162. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    People have triumphantly pointed out that Floyd was saying "I can't breath" before he was on the ground.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/31/22/41195792-9424707-image-a-30_1617226862920.jpg

    The more I see of the trial reporting the more evident it becomes to me than Chauvin is not right in the head, couldn't stay away from Floyd's neck, and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.

    Arbery should have been arrested for threatening the police. If he resisted being cuffed he should have been pepper sprayed, hit with batons and/or tasered. But the cops just left him alone. Discretion leads to soft policing and well as tough policing. They are called "officers", paid comparably to commissioned members of the armed forces, and have tremendous status compared to anyone else in society, many of who have far more dangerous jobs, but cops are given too much leeway. From the point of view of maintaining order, it has been proven counterproductive for them to be allowed to do whatever they see fit to do to the extent they currently are.

    There were multiple people filming Chauvin. And they told him he was being filmed and it would be used against him. So he knew. Moreover, more than one colleague of Chauvin expressed strong reservations about what he was doing, and this open questioning of his judgement mid incident was quite something when Chauvin was the senior cop present.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anon, @Curle

    “ and was trying to squeeze the life out of a handcuffed, helpless, terrified man.”

    Remarkable powers of imagination you possess.

  163. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Arbery ought to have been arrested, and had he resisted violently he could have been tasered . Police are trained to baton the limb extremities, because they are less likely to seriously injure that way. If Arbery was cuffed and yet managed to get his hands one of of the cops' guns, he doubtless would have been shot. The use of force authorised by law is unlimited as long as it is proportionate to the threat presented and ceases as soon as the threat does. Cameras or not.


    Floyd was handcuffed but not cooperating so they took him out and put him flat out on his chest--a position police are trained to avoid as much as possible, where he was held immobile with a non trivial amount of weight on him. This was not precedure at all. When Lane asked if (actually suggested that) Floyd should be turned on his side, Chauvin said “No, he’s staying put where we got him.” Not “No, he’s staying put where we got him for another minute.” It was completely open ended, and I am afraid the evidence increasing points to Chauvin having seriously malevolent intentions toward Floyd. Or maybe Chauvin wanted to make the news. Either way, he is not right in the head.

    Replies: @Curle

    “ with a non trivial amount of weight on him. ”

    You know the amount of pressure how?

    I can position my leg exactly as Chauvin did without applying much pressure at all. You have some special pressure assessment skills? Please describe how you perfected them.

  164. @europeasant
    @Art Deco

    There is a quick easy test to prove asphyxia. Have Chauvin lay on the ground and have a smaller person about 140 lbs lay his knee on the side of his neck. If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder. I proposed this to my wife but she declined. I propose Chauvin's lawyer demonstrate this in court.

    Replies: @Curle, @anon

    “ If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder.”

    He could survive an hour. It isn’t the knee on the neck it’s the pressure applied.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Curle

    The knee looked worse than it was and quite possibly there would have been no prosecution without it in the video. However, if the knee didn't matter as far as actually killing Floyd, then him being on his chest must have been a larger part of the contributory factors why he died. Chauvin immobilizing a handcuffed man on his chest for several minutes is against all guidance, training and procedure in the job he was paid to do. And he didn't seem terribly surprised with the outcome. While not all that predictable Floyd would expire, it was far from astounding. Chauvin rolled the dice, and he lost.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally, @Anonymous

  165. @Patrick McNally
    @vhrm

    The Tamir Rice incident involves another altogether different issue. As far as I can remember, all of the toy guns which myself and acquaintances played with back in the 1970s were obviously toy guns. I think it was in the 1980s (though I'm not able to recall as well since I was past a certain age by then and didn't attention to some things that I once would have) that toy guns started appearing which were much more realistic in their appearance. I suppose that in a suburb like Brookline, Massachusetts, this wouldn't make much of a difference.

    But what started to happen was very realistic looking toy guns began to appear in the hands of boys living in high crime areas. That introduces a totally new and unnecessary variable for the police. Now they have to make an on-the-spot decision about whether or not something which looks like a gun is real, sometimes in a climate where it is well-known that a lot of dangerous are walking around. The best way of addressing this issue if via "toy gun control." Don't try to outlaw toy guns, but every toy manufactured to look like a gun should be easily distinguishable from the real thing. They were that way in the 1970s. In fact, a lot of times when as kids we were "playing war" we just go outside looking for sticks. Find a stich that has the right length and a branch-stub sticking out and pretend that it's a gun.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Veteran Aryan

    Don’t try to outlaw toy guns, but every toy manufactured to look like a gun should be easily distinguishable from the real thing.

    Senator Bob Dole gave the USA the stu… uhh, superduper crime prevention regulation about orange-colored muzzles on non-firearms.

    But don’t count on it…

  166. @Patrick McNally
    @vhrm

    The Tamir Rice incident involves another altogether different issue. As far as I can remember, all of the toy guns which myself and acquaintances played with back in the 1970s were obviously toy guns. I think it was in the 1980s (though I'm not able to recall as well since I was past a certain age by then and didn't attention to some things that I once would have) that toy guns started appearing which were much more realistic in their appearance. I suppose that in a suburb like Brookline, Massachusetts, this wouldn't make much of a difference.

    But what started to happen was very realistic looking toy guns began to appear in the hands of boys living in high crime areas. That introduces a totally new and unnecessary variable for the police. Now they have to make an on-the-spot decision about whether or not something which looks like a gun is real, sometimes in a climate where it is well-known that a lot of dangerous are walking around. The best way of addressing this issue if via "toy gun control." Don't try to outlaw toy guns, but every toy manufactured to look like a gun should be easily distinguishable from the real thing. They were that way in the 1970s. In fact, a lot of times when as kids we were "playing war" we just go outside looking for sticks. Find a stich that has the right length and a branch-stub sticking out and pretend that it's a gun.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Veteran Aryan

    Don’t try to outlaw toy guns, but every toy manufactured to look like a gun should be easily distinguishable from the real thing.

    The toy initially had a bright orange ring around the end of the barrel but the boy had removed it.

  167. @JimDandy
    @Gordo

    The number of unarmed black people shot by police each year is tiny, but almost all of them deserved it. Why hasn't someone compiled a list of the number of unarmed black people shot by cops each year who didn't deserve it?

    In the last 50 million police encounters, how many black people who didn't deserve it were killed by police?

    Replies: @Sean, @Tony

    The kid killed by Robert Toursney in NYC. That cop really did get away with murder.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Tony

    There was a weird incident half a century ago that reinforces the current BLM narrative?

    K. Thx.

  168. @Curle
    @europeasant

    “ If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder.”

    He could survive an hour. It isn’t the knee on the neck it’s the pressure applied.

    Replies: @Sean

    The knee looked worse than it was and quite possibly there would have been no prosecution without it in the video. However, if the knee didn’t matter as far as actually killing Floyd, then him being on his chest must have been a larger part of the contributory factors why he died. Chauvin immobilizing a handcuffed man on his chest for several minutes is against all guidance, training and procedure in the job he was paid to do. And he didn’t seem terribly surprised with the outcome. While not all that predictable Floyd would expire, it was far from astounding. Chauvin rolled the dice, and he lost.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
    @Sean

    I don't know how much the jury will be willing to remember, but supposedly Floyd had CV-19. This alone is a very good motive for Chauvin to keep Floyd's breathing away from him and probably played some role in Chauvin's choice of how to handle things. The Wokesters will demand that a police officer making an arrest of a CV-19 carrier should happily let the offender drool all over him, but then they will demand that all of the rest of us should be constantly wearing masks. Given the stage of panic which the CV-19 scare was at at that point in May 2020, Chauvin should be granted extra latitude for his desire to keep Floyd's breath pointed away from him. Maybe this contributed needlessly to the final death? There's no way of knowing for sure. But Chauvin should not be convicted over that.

    , @Anonymous
    @Sean

    Chauvin is 5'9" and 140 lbs and was the largest officer at the scene. Floyd was more than half a foot taller and almost 100 lbs heavier.

    https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status/1379930747528638464

    Replies: @Sean

  169. @Sean
    @Curle

    The knee looked worse than it was and quite possibly there would have been no prosecution without it in the video. However, if the knee didn't matter as far as actually killing Floyd, then him being on his chest must have been a larger part of the contributory factors why he died. Chauvin immobilizing a handcuffed man on his chest for several minutes is against all guidance, training and procedure in the job he was paid to do. And he didn't seem terribly surprised with the outcome. While not all that predictable Floyd would expire, it was far from astounding. Chauvin rolled the dice, and he lost.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally, @Anonymous

    I don’t know how much the jury will be willing to remember, but supposedly Floyd had CV-19. This alone is a very good motive for Chauvin to keep Floyd’s breathing away from him and probably played some role in Chauvin’s choice of how to handle things. The Wokesters will demand that a police officer making an arrest of a CV-19 carrier should happily let the offender drool all over him, but then they will demand that all of the rest of us should be constantly wearing masks. Given the stage of panic which the CV-19 scare was at at that point in May 2020, Chauvin should be granted extra latitude for his desire to keep Floyd’s breath pointed away from him. Maybe this contributed needlessly to the final death? There’s no way of knowing for sure. But Chauvin should not be convicted over that.

  170. anon[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @europeasant
    @Art Deco

    There is a quick easy test to prove asphyxia. Have Chauvin lay on the ground and have a smaller person about 140 lbs lay his knee on the side of his neck. If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder. I proposed this to my wife but she declined. I propose Chauvin's lawyer demonstrate this in court.

    Replies: @Curle, @anon

    If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder. I proposed this to my wife but she declined. I propose Chauvin’s lawyer demonstrate this in court.

    Works for me. Probably less annoying than being waterboarded. Gotta be the same technique: no compression on the trachea, windpipe, jugular or spine.

    But…at the same time, you volunteer to take the same amount of Fenatanyl and meth that Floyd did.

    At the end of however many minutes on the floor, I’ll get right up. How about you?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @anon


    But…at the same time, you volunteer to take the same amount of Fentanyl and meth that Floyd did.
     
    In Wuhan, where Covid -19 also came from. Chinese chemists were busy creating more potent forms of Fentanyl, for the more jaded users.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/sites/default/files/fentayl2.mp4


    There are Fentanyl addicts who will take happily take double the amount that Floyd had taken, and come back for more.

  171. Anonymous[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    @Curle

    The knee looked worse than it was and quite possibly there would have been no prosecution without it in the video. However, if the knee didn't matter as far as actually killing Floyd, then him being on his chest must have been a larger part of the contributory factors why he died. Chauvin immobilizing a handcuffed man on his chest for several minutes is against all guidance, training and procedure in the job he was paid to do. And he didn't seem terribly surprised with the outcome. While not all that predictable Floyd would expire, it was far from astounding. Chauvin rolled the dice, and he lost.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally, @Anonymous

    Chauvin is 5’9″ and 140 lbs and was the largest officer at the scene. Floyd was more than half a foot taller and almost 100 lbs heavier.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Floyd had one seventh the level of Fentanyl in his system that Prince had when he died.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  172. @Tony
    @JimDandy

    The kid killed by Robert Toursney in NYC. That cop really did get away with murder.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    There was a weird incident half a century ago that reinforces the current BLM narrative?

    K. Thx.

  173. @anon
    @europeasant

    If Chauvin survives nine minutes then he is to be declared innocent of murder. I proposed this to my wife but she declined. I propose Chauvin’s lawyer demonstrate this in court.

    Works for me. Probably less annoying than being waterboarded. Gotta be the same technique: no compression on the trachea, windpipe, jugular or spine.

    But...at the same time, you volunteer to take the same amount of Fenatanyl and meth that Floyd did.

    At the end of however many minutes on the floor, I'll get right up. How about you?

    Replies: @Sean

    But…at the same time, you volunteer to take the same amount of Fentanyl and meth that Floyd did.

    In Wuhan, where Covid -19 also came from. Chinese chemists were busy creating more potent forms of Fentanyl, for the more jaded users.

    There are Fentanyl addicts who will take happily take double the amount that Floyd had taken, and come back for more.

  174. @Anonymous
    @Sean

    Chauvin is 5'9" and 140 lbs and was the largest officer at the scene. Floyd was more than half a foot taller and almost 100 lbs heavier.

    https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status/1379930747528638464

    Replies: @Sean

    Floyd had one seventh the level of Fentanyl in his system that Prince had when he died.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Sean

    So what? The level of fentanyl in his femoral blood was a middling value for an overdose death. That is what you expect to see in an overdose death. There's no justification to assume he could have tolerated it.

  175. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Floyd had one seventh the level of Fentanyl in his system that Prince had when he died.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    So what? The level of fentanyl in his femoral blood was a middling value for an overdose death. That is what you expect to see in an overdose death. There’s no justification to assume he could have tolerated it.

  176. Overdose deaths tend to be of new users, which Floyd was not. The death of Floyd was captured on video and his rate breathing was normal, not slowed by Fentanyl. As he died of lack of oxygen the assumption must be he was killed by Chauvin, who is not being charged with first degree murder although he kept Floyd cuffed and in the same position for minutes after being told there was no pulse. If Chauvin had immediately given CPR and made an emergency priority call for paramedics, even if Floyd still died, then it could’ve been portrayed as a error of judgement, but the video seals Chauvin’s fate. He knew he was being filmed, they warned him.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Sean

    Overdose deaths tend to be of new users,

    Citation required.

    The death of Floyd was captured on video and his rate breathing was normal,

    Citation of breathing rate required.

    not slowed by Fentanyl.

    Perhaps the methamphetamine in his bloodstream also had an effect.

    Why do you suppose Morries Hall has stated he will not testify in this trial, that he will take the 5th to any questioning?

    As he died of lack of oxygen the assumption must be he was killed by Chauvin,

    By what mechanism?


    who is not being charged with first degree murder although he kept Floyd cuffed and in the same position for minutes after being told there was no pulse.

    Citation required.

    If Chauvin had immediately given CPR and made an emergency priority call for paramedics,

    At what point did MPD call for an ambulance? When did they upgrade the code to emergency? These are elementary facts that have been put into the trial testimony, it should be easy for you to answer the questions.

    even if Floyd still died, then it could’ve been portrayed as a error of judgement, but the video seals Chauvin’s fate. He knew he was being filmed, they warned him.

    Your emotional argument is devoid of facts.

  177. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Overdose deaths tend to be of new users, which Floyd was not. The death of Floyd was captured on video and his rate breathing was normal, not slowed by Fentanyl. As he died of lack of oxygen the assumption must be he was killed by Chauvin, who is not being charged with first degree murder although he kept Floyd cuffed and in the same position for minutes after being told there was no pulse. If Chauvin had immediately given CPR and made an emergency priority call for paramedics, even if Floyd still died, then it could've been portrayed as a error of judgement, but the video seals Chauvin's fate. He knew he was being filmed, they warned him.

    Replies: @anon

    Overdose deaths tend to be of new users,

    Citation required.

    The death of Floyd was captured on video and his rate breathing was normal,

    Citation of breathing rate required.

    not slowed by Fentanyl.

    Perhaps the methamphetamine in his bloodstream also had an effect.

    Why do you suppose Morries Hall has stated he will not testify in this trial, that he will take the 5th to any questioning?

    As he died of lack of oxygen the assumption must be he was killed by Chauvin,

    By what mechanism?

    who is not being charged with first degree murder although he kept Floyd cuffed and in the same position for minutes after being told there was no pulse.

    Citation required.

    If Chauvin had immediately given CPR and made an emergency priority call for paramedics,

    At what point did MPD call for an ambulance? When did they upgrade the code to emergency? These are elementary facts that have been put into the trial testimony, it should be easy for you to answer the questions.

    even if Floyd still died, then it could’ve been portrayed as a error of judgement, but the video seals Chauvin’s fate. He knew he was being filmed, they warned him.

    Your emotional argument is devoid of facts.

  178. What do you think juries are for?
    Chauvin is a sadist.

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