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From George Washington’s Farewell Address (written largely by Hamilton, with help from Madison and Jay):

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

 
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  1. OT
    Science one step closer to creating manbearpig:

    Scientists create first human-sheep hybrids
    …While scientists have previously developed human-pig hybrids, sparking excitement …, no team has been able to take it to the next step.

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    Those must be the 'sheeple' about which I've been hearing so much.
  2. • Replies: @J.Ross
    Was he using that as a simple opposite to "abjure"?
    , @william munny
    I was recently watching the John Adams miniseries on HBO, which was fine but had some strange casting choices and mistakes that are bothersome to people who know the story. But I was struck by a scene where Ben Franklin was admiring a swivel chair Jefferson made. I thought about the caliber of the men that led the revolution, compared to what followed. I know they were a product of their time, but who was the last president that had a true scientific curiosity? Teddy, with his birds and his animal skeletons? Has there been anyone in the top flights of government? Maybe it is for the best, who knows, but I think that having people who truly think (I hate to say it) outside the box, in a scientific manner, and who genuinely want to improve the world would bring innovative approaches to solving our problems.
  3. Washington’s Farewell Address is a wonderful thing. Our people had a continent and some good ideas. It’s a shame our leaders since have forgotten.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s a shame our leaders since have forgotten.
     
    It's a shame our people have forgotten.

    How many Americans are aware of anything that was ever written by Washington, Jefferson, or Hamilton? Other than watching that stupid musical "Hamilton," do Americans ever take interest in our Founding Fathers?

    One reason that our public is so easily sold propaganda is because they're stupid. They don't read books or newspapers. They don't study history or discuss public policy. They instead spend their free time consuming entertainment - tv sitcoms, football, music video, movies, Facebook, etc. Their mental energy is dedicated to frivolity.

    So hardly any Americans are aware of anything ever said by the Founding Fathers, but they're quite aware of the relationship drama of the Kardashian-West marriage and the issues facing the offense of the New England Patriots. Not surprisingly, Americans believe whatever BS they hear on teevee. They're much too ignorant to tell fact from fiction.

    When I say Americans, I mean all races of Americans. Including Whites. There's this huge myth constantly propagated on here that Whites are mature, sober minded, and guilty. They're the "adult in the room." In reality, Whites are generally buffoons. Seldomly will you meet a White who can have an intelligent conversation on history or current events.

    Our media isn't much better. Seldomly do you see any journalist/broadcaster who has any in-depth understanding of any major issue of importance. They generally have no original insights or worthwhile analysis. They're devoid of any real talents, other than reading off cue cards and regurgitating banalities. Their command of most issues is only slightly more impressive than what you'd see in a group of college freshmen. Just watch Don Lemon on CNN. Or Bill O'Reilly. Or Chris Matthews.

    Thomas Jefferson once said, “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.” A knowledgeable, well-informed public and media are neccessary to keep a check on rapacious politicians. When the citizenry abdicate their responsibilities, conmen take control of the government and loot the public treasury.

    War profiteers have spent 16 years looting our public treasury to win the neverending "War on Terror," while meanwhile the public is distracted by football and the media focuses on the issues that matter (such as transgendered bathrooms, Russian collusion, and the Trump-Oprah Twitter feud).
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    Technically you didn't have the continent, yet.

    First came the immigrants, then the invasions...karma?
  4. “Against the Insidious Wiles of Foreign Influence”

    Something that Washington had considerable experience contending against:

    The Citizen Genêt affair began in 1793 when he was dispatched to the United States to promote American support for France’s wars with Spain and Britain.

    Genêt arrived in Charleston, South Carolina on the French frigate Embuscade on April 8. Instead of traveling to the then-capital of Philadelphia to present himself to U.S. President George Washington for accreditation, Genêt stayed in South Carolina. There he was greeted with enthusiasm by the people of Charleston, who threw a string of parties in his honor.

    Genêt’s goals in South Carolina were to recruit and arm American privateers who would join French expeditions against the British. He commissioned four privateering ships in total, including the Republicaine, the Anti-George, the Sans-Culotte, and the Citizen Genêt. Working with French consul Michel Ange Bernard Mangourit, Genêt organized American volunteers to fight Britain’s Spanish allies in Florida. After raising a militia, Genêt set sail toward Philadelphia, stopping along the way to marshal support for the French cause and arriving on May 18. He encouraged Democratic-Republican societies, but President Washington denounced them and they quickly withered away.

    His actions endangered American neutrality in the war between France and Britain, which Washington had pointedly declared in his Neutrality Proclamation of April 22. When Genêt met with Washington, he asked for what amounted to a suspension of American neutrality. When turned down by Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and informed that his actions were unacceptable, Genêt protested.[2] Meanwhile, Genêt’s privateers were capturing British ships, and his militia was preparing to move against the Spanish.

    Genêt continued to defy the wishes of the United States government, capturing British ships and rearming them as privateers. Washington sent Genêt an 8,000-word letter of complaint on Jefferson’s and Hamilton’s advice – one of the few situations in which the Federalist Alexander Hamilton and the Republican Jefferson agreed. Genêt replied obstinately. President Washington and his Cabinet then demanded that France recall Genêt as its Ambassador.[3]

    The Jacobins, having taken power in France by January 1794, sent an arrest notice which asked Genêt to come back to France. Genêt, knowing that he would likely be sent to the guillotine, asked Washington for asylum. It was Hamilton – Genêt’s fiercest opponent in the cabinet – who convinced Washington to grant him safe haven in the United States.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond-Charles_Gen%C3%AAt#Citizen_Gen%C3%AAt_Affair

    • Replies: @Ivy
    American schools should teach more about English and French interactions with each other and with other parties such as the colonies and the new United States.
  5. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation…

    Would love to see Tom Delay argue against this.

  6. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT
    Science one step closer to creating manbearpig:


    Scientists create first human-sheep hybrids
    ...While scientists have previously developed human-pig hybrids, sparking excitement ..., no team has been able to take it to the next step.

     

    Those must be the ‘sheeple’ about which I’ve been hearing so much.

  7. I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens

  8. @syonredux
    "Against the Insidious Wiles of Foreign Influence"

    Something that Washington had considerable experience contending against:

    The Citizen Genêt affair began in 1793 when he was dispatched to the United States to promote American support for France's wars with Spain and Britain.

    Genêt arrived in Charleston, South Carolina on the French frigate Embuscade on April 8. Instead of traveling to the then-capital of Philadelphia to present himself to U.S. President George Washington for accreditation, Genêt stayed in South Carolina. There he was greeted with enthusiasm by the people of Charleston, who threw a string of parties in his honor.

    Genêt's goals in South Carolina were to recruit and arm American privateers who would join French expeditions against the British. He commissioned four privateering ships in total, including the Republicaine, the Anti-George, the Sans-Culotte, and the Citizen Genêt. Working with French consul Michel Ange Bernard Mangourit, Genêt organized American volunteers to fight Britain's Spanish allies in Florida. After raising a militia, Genêt set sail toward Philadelphia, stopping along the way to marshal support for the French cause and arriving on May 18. He encouraged Democratic-Republican societies, but President Washington denounced them and they quickly withered away.

    His actions endangered American neutrality in the war between France and Britain, which Washington had pointedly declared in his Neutrality Proclamation of April 22. When Genêt met with Washington, he asked for what amounted to a suspension of American neutrality. When turned down by Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and informed that his actions were unacceptable, Genêt protested.[2] Meanwhile, Genêt's privateers were capturing British ships, and his militia was preparing to move against the Spanish.

    Genêt continued to defy the wishes of the United States government, capturing British ships and rearming them as privateers. Washington sent Genêt an 8,000-word letter of complaint on Jefferson's and Hamilton's advice – one of the few situations in which the Federalist Alexander Hamilton and the Republican Jefferson agreed. Genêt replied obstinately. President Washington and his Cabinet then demanded that France recall Genêt as its Ambassador.[3]

    The Jacobins, having taken power in France by January 1794, sent an arrest notice which asked Genêt to come back to France. Genêt, knowing that he would likely be sent to the guillotine, asked Washington for asylum. It was Hamilton – Genêt's fiercest opponent in the cabinet – who convinced Washington to grant him safe haven in the United States.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond-Charles_Gen%C3%AAt#Citizen_Gen%C3%AAt_Affair

    American schools should teach more about English and French interactions with each other and with other parties such as the colonies and the new United States.

  9. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    According to globalists, ‘isolationism’ is bad because the US doesn’t meddle in the world… but then, it’s bad if the world meddles in the US. So, interventionism means US gets to meddle in other nations but not vice versa. Well, let me correct that. The globalists are okay with world meddling in the world as long as their meddling complements the Agenda.

    So, this Russia Hysteria is not really about the US patriotism vs Russian foreign meddling. It’s about alien Zionist-globalists wanting to be the ONLY meddler in American affairs. It’s about alien vs alien.

    Jewish power is clearly worldwide and global. Also, Jewish-Americans feel closer to European Jews and Israelis than to Americans. So, Jewish power is essentially alien. It can be patriotic and America, as with Stephen Miller, but people like David Brooks and William Kristol, despite being born here and being citizens, don’t feel mainly as Americans but as Jewish globalists. They feel closer to foreign Jews and with non-white futurians as leverage against White America. As such, they are essentially alienists than nationalists.

    So, this isn’t US vs alien power but about alien power vs alien power for control over America.
    Also, it’s not so much about control vs control.
    Russia doesn’t want to control America. It just wants the US to be less hostile to Russia. In contrast, Jewish globalists really do want to control the US and make it hate and even destroy nations that they hate, like Iran and Russia.

    What Jews hate and fear most about Russia is not its actions but its very existence. Even if Russia didn’t meddle at all in the US, Jews resent the fact that Russia has more national sovereignty than most European nations combined that take orders from EU and NATO… though there are stirrings of rebellion from Poland and Hungary. So, even if Russia does absolutely nothing, its very existence as an example to other European nations and maybe to whites and Christians in America is deeply threatening to Jews.

    It’s like Woody Allen in some films feel threatened by the mere existence of white goyim. Even if they are not Nazis or anti-Semites, their very existence threatens him because they make him feel less manly. There are two kinds of threats. There are those who mean harm. Then, there are those don’t mean you harm but stand for something that undermines your agenda by offering an alternative.

    Among gangsters, the thing is to wipe out the competition. So, if your side sells stuff, the other side will try to wipe you out and take over. The harm is direct.

    But businesses operate differently. If you sell certain goods, and if another business offers similar goods, there is no direct harm intended toward you. The other business will not attack you and your business with guns and clubs. They will just do their business. But if what they offer is more appealing to customers, it does pose a threat to your business.

    In terms of economics, Russia doesn’t have much to sell. But given the current state of the world of uncertainty and submission to the mono-power of globalism pushed by the US, the mere existence of Russia(and maybe Iran and China) poses a threat to the Idea that the American way — either culturally, financially, or militarily — is the ONLY way for the whole world. Outside Russia, China, and Iran, there are almost no nations that don’t submit to the US in one or all of three ways of control: military, financial, and cultural.

    • Replies: @a reader

    the mere existence of Russia(and maybe Iran and China) poses a threat to the Idea that the American way — either culturally, financially, or militarily — is the ONLY way for the whole world.
     
    Russians have presidential elections on March 18; what awaits them should they fail to vote is undoubtedly no laughing matter.

    (in Russian, but you'll understand)
  10. fellow-citizens

    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    Apparently their hearts are located in different areas of their chests.
    , @Almost Missouri
    I know someone who became an American citizen last year in a ceremony at a Northeastern state capital. Out of about a hundred people taking the citizenship pledge, she was the only white. Also, maybe the only one fluent in English. Also, maybe the only one with a perfect score on the citizenship exam.
  11. @Buzz Mohawk
    Washington's Farewell Address is a wonderful thing. Our people had a continent and some good ideas. It's a shame our leaders since have forgotten.

    It’s a shame our leaders since have forgotten.

    It’s a shame our people have forgotten.

    How many Americans are aware of anything that was ever written by Washington, Jefferson, or Hamilton? Other than watching that stupid musical “Hamilton,” do Americans ever take interest in our Founding Fathers?

    One reason that our public is so easily sold propaganda is because they’re stupid. They don’t read books or newspapers. They don’t study history or discuss public policy. They instead spend their free time consuming entertainment – tv sitcoms, football, music video, movies, Facebook, etc. Their mental energy is dedicated to frivolity.

    So hardly any Americans are aware of anything ever said by the Founding Fathers, but they’re quite aware of the relationship drama of the Kardashian-West marriage and the issues facing the offense of the New England Patriots. Not surprisingly, Americans believe whatever BS they hear on teevee. They’re much too ignorant to tell fact from fiction.

    When I say Americans, I mean all races of Americans. Including Whites. There’s this huge myth constantly propagated on here that Whites are mature, sober minded, and guilty. They’re the “adult in the room.” In reality, Whites are generally buffoons. Seldomly will you meet a White who can have an intelligent conversation on history or current events.

    Our media isn’t much better. Seldomly do you see any journalist/broadcaster who has any in-depth understanding of any major issue of importance. They generally have no original insights or worthwhile analysis. They’re devoid of any real talents, other than reading off cue cards and regurgitating banalities. Their command of most issues is only slightly more impressive than what you’d see in a group of college freshmen. Just watch Don Lemon on CNN. Or Bill O’Reilly. Or Chris Matthews.

    Thomas Jefferson once said, “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.” A knowledgeable, well-informed public and media are neccessary to keep a check on rapacious politicians. When the citizenry abdicate their responsibilities, conmen take control of the government and loot the public treasury.

    War profiteers have spent 16 years looting our public treasury to win the neverending “War on Terror,” while meanwhile the public is distracted by football and the media focuses on the issues that matter (such as transgendered bathrooms, Russian collusion, and the Trump-Oprah Twitter feud).

    • Agree: Laugh Track
    • Replies: @bomag
    It has always been thus.

    In 1645, a famous statesmen counselled: "Do you not know, my son, with what little knowledge the world is governed?"

    The key is to abide by a few important dictums, one being that demography is destiny. The people and leaders around us have ignored that to our decline.
    , @3g4me
    @12 JohnnyWalker123: "One reason that our public is so easily sold propaganda is because they’re stupid. They don’t read books or newspapers. They don’t study history or discuss public policy. They instead spend their free time consuming entertainment – tv sitcoms, football, music video, movies, Facebook, etc. Their mental energy is dedicated to frivolity."

    Bread and circuses is hardly a new strategy. As long as people willingly surrender their children to the tender cares of government schools to be properly "socialized" then people will remain stupid, ignorant, complacent, and easily led. As long as women are convinced that working in a cubicle is more fulfilling and more meaningful than bearing, rearing, and educating their own children then the destruction of Western Civilization is assured. As far as reading goes, that is still taught by a mixture of "whole language" (English by way of Chinese) and supposed phonics, so reading anything remains a struggle. Consider how any correction of grammar, syntax, or various egregious prose errors are met everywhere with cries of "grammar nazi."

    My younger son is a very slow processor - not by any means stupid, but he learns at his own pace and has his own idiosyncracies. We have him reading, at present, Dafoe's original and unabridged "Robinson Crusoe" (a break from the strictly political after reading and discussing "1984" and "Brave New World") and "The Naked Communist." The use of "specie" in the latter led to a discussion of pluralia tantum, and a comparison of "species" as in origin of, versus money as precious metal coins versus fiat currency. He has no real idea of who Sojourner Truth was, but I need to check out what we need to do and what test he needs to take to get a GED (private schooled through 6th grade and home schooled subsequently). No doubt by public school standards and state guidelines he's poorly educated.
  12. AIPAC says “George Washington who?”

    • LOL: utu
  13. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Washington was what he was. Was he a patriot? To Virginia, which could have flourished so well on its own, if not for pettyfoggers like Washington getting the Yankees and the deep South to join in alliance with Virginia for a war fought over issues of taxation, for God’s sake – to Virginia he was no patriot. Imagine Virginia today if it were its own country – it would be so much better off. Thanks in large part to rich dudes with little common sense like Washington, it is what it now is. Was he a patriot to the monarchy to whom he swore an oath of loyalty in his youth? Obviously not. Was he a patriot to the fledgling United States – well, war is more fun if you are a general than if you are a soldier, and I have not heard that Washington incurred any wounds in the war that he helped start. So sure he was a patriot if all it takes to be a patriot is to take on the fun jobs like being a general in a war you helped start.

    He said some good things, but so does almost everyone. It is kind of Sailer to point out some of the better things Washington said.

    We should be grateful to those who are unloveable because we do not know what caused them to be unloveable – it is possible that they volunteered to take on, in our place, the burden of being tall and ugly, or short and ugly, or weak, or involuntarily childless, or stupid in spite of an expensive education, or powerless. But there must come a limit to the admiration of those who fall short of virtue. There are great American patriots who should be remembered. Virginians should be allowed to mourn the fact that so many Virginians failed to love their own land. “Humanity is the only totally false god” as Don Colacho used to say. Well I respect Washington – while being aware that he was no better than some of my friends, among whom there are two or three true heroes – and I know how hurt he would be to see his picture on the currency of today.

    • Replies: @Lot

    Was he a patriot to the monarchy to whom he swore an oath of loyalty in his youth? Obviously not.
     
    1. The oath Washington took became void when George III repeatedly violated the rights of Americans he was obliged to protect. Read the Declaration of Independence for details.

    2. George held his office only because James was overthrown by a parliament that had sworn oaths to him.

    3. English common law does not recognize permanently binding oaths. Rather they are symbolic of the oathmaker's submission at the time of the oath.
    , @It's All Ball Bearings
    "If all it takes to be a patriot is to take on the fun jobs like being a general..." I'm not sure you understand what all goes with being a leader of thousands, especially of a generally shitty volunteer army.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I have not heard that Washington incurred any wounds in the war that he helped start.

    Well if he got no wounds it wasn't for lack of trying. He was renown for having horses shot from beneath him and having lots of gunshot holes in his garments. He was anything but a "Chateau" general.
  14. @Reg Cæsar

    (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens)
     
    I knew Washington was a tinkerer, but a conjurer too?

    https://i2.wp.com/www.chipchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Washington-Farming-Inventions-Modern-Mechanix.jpg

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnberlau/2016/02/11/how-george-washington-propelled-steamboats-americas-first-great-disruptive-technology/#7fb4bebf9c4f

    https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-tinkerers

    Was he using that as a simple opposite to “abjure”?

  15. I’m sorry to go off topic, but…

    …does anyone remember a story a while back about the US embassy promoting multiculturalism/diversity in France?

    I can’t find it. I wanted to reference it when discussing and debating about this foreign influence business.

    I don’t know if it was discussed here specifically, but somewhere in the steve-o-sphere, alt-right, or on neoreactionary blogs, etc.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    This is not about France, but a couple of months ago the State Department solicited bids to run a media project in Hungary to educate people in democracy. Of course Hungary is a democracy already, which is why they are in the EU. But of course Hungary with its leader Orban is resisting the immivasion, and so I assume the deep state at State wants him removed.

    Here is the original Politico story. Politico is not a right-wing site.

    The Hungarian Foreign Ministry summoned the top American diplomat in Budapest, chargé d’affaires David Kostelancik, after the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL) announced on November 7 that it would provide up to $700,000 “for projects that increase citizens’ access to objective information about domestic and global issues in Hungary.”
     
    Note: The State Department has since taken down their webpage with the advert. Here is the original link which now gives an error.

    Unfortunately for the State Department, the Wayback Machine archives webpages. Here is that page advertising for US-Hungarian meddling from 26 Nov 2017.
    , @istevefan
    Here is a wikileaks cable from the US embassy in Estonia. It is from 2006 and apparently has the US embassy wanting to introduce GOE (Government of Estonia) to the glories of multiculturalism

    - Estonia has no hate crime specific legislation, and Estonian prosecution of hate crimes has not been aggressive. Punishment for first-time offenders is particularly lax.

    - More efforts must be made in awareness-raising to ensure that law enforcement officials and victims of race hate crimes are aware of appropriate provisions of the Criminal Code allowing for prosecution of hate crimes.

    - Estonian authorities ought to add the teaching of the benefits of diversity and living in a multicultural society in school programs.

    - Estonian authorities need to provide support for the Press Council of Estonia and the Estonian Newspaper Association for training journalists on issues related to racism and racial discrimination.

    - More training is needed for law enforcement on issues related to racism and racial discrimination.
     
    , @istevefan
    Well I guess I did find the wikileaks cable on France. This is titled, 'EMBASSY PARIS - MINORITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY' and is from 2010.

    Excerpt:

    (C/NF) SUMMARY: In keeping with France's unique history and circumstances, Embassy Paris has created a Minority Engagement Strategy that encompasses, among other groups, the French Muslim population and responds to the goals outlined in reftel A. Our aim is to engage the French population at all levels in order to amplify France's efforts to realize its own egalitarian ideals, thereby advancing U.S. national interests. While France is justifiably proud of its leading role in conceiving democratic ideals and championing human rights and the rule of law, French institutions have not proven themselves flexible enough to adjust to an increasingly heterodox demography. We believe that if France, over the long run, does not successfully increase opportunity and provide genuine political representation for its minority populations, France could become a weaker, more divided country, perhaps more crisis-prone and inward-looking, and consequently a less capable ally. To support French efforts to provide equal opportunity for minority populations, we will engage in positive discourse; set a strong example; implement an aggressive youth outreach strategy; encourage moderate voices; propagate best practices; and deepen our understanding of the underlying causes of inequality in France. We will also integrate the efforts of various Embassy sections, target influential leaders among our primary audiences, and evaluate both tangible and intangible indicators of the success of our strategy. END SUMMARY.
     
  16. It’s looking like Trump, if he wants to finish his term, may need Bibi to help provoke a war with Iran. The events the last week in Syria could mean this plan is already in progress.

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, and Trump be subjected to endless congressional investigations, harassment, etc in 2019 that will eventually end in his impeachment and conviction with the support of the Senate GOP amnesty caucus.

    A heavy bombing campaign of Iran will rally the country around the flag and our commander and chief and provide stunning HD visuals of explosions. Not following it up with a long and pointless occupation will make Trump look brilliant by comparison to W. Though maybe we let the Saudis/UAE take over Qatar.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Bombing Iran will not be just another TV spectacle with no consequences, it will lead to another losing war in the Gulf. That will eliminate the last support from those of us who voted for Trump and guarantee he will be a one term President.
    , @Anonymous
    Wouldn't North Korea be a better choice, since Trump already has a public semi kayfabe style feud with Kim Jong Un, North Korea has been firing rockets and getting lots of media coverage, etc.? Most people don't care about Iran except for Jews.
    , @27 year old

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, and Trump be subjected to endless congressional investigations, harassment, etc in 2019 that will eventually end in his impeachment and conviction with the support of the Senate GOP amnesty caucus.
     
    Dude, chill out.
    , @AnotherDad

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, ...
     
    Lot, i don't waste my time with tracking polls--i do enough other time wasting--so i'll just take your word for it.

    But i do find it bizzare that we'd be lined up to lose the Senate in the "Democrat rich" cycle--including a bunch of red and purple state Democrats, including a bunch of one termers from 2012.

    Trump needs to discipline himself and nationalize this election around the Democrats' immigration insanity--i.e. treason. The smarter Democrats even knew they were vulnerable which is why they shut down their shutdown even though they really, really, really want to have more amnesties and replace the American people.

    Trump probably also needs to do something--again disciplined not chaotic--on this Russia thing just to point out the Mueller has labored and labored and indicted some half-assed, third rate, clickbait operation by some Russian nationals. But bottom line: the Russia thing is nonsense. Trump shouldn't spend much time on it. Just get the truth out.

    Then push forward on infrastructure. Try to get some specific projects going. He's already had a year.

    If Trump can nationalize the election around nationalism--the GOP should roll. If it's about "Trump is the greatest president of all time", while the Democrats have their "Trump is a loon and a danger to the nation" ... the "loon" part of that may just win.

    ~~~

    But here's the thing. Even if Trump is chaotic Trump, i don't see why individual Republican candidates can't do the obvious themselves. Republicans ought to be able to actually gain a bunch of seats in the Senate.

    "Joe/Jane-Democrat voted to shut down the government in order to get an amnesty for illegal aliens. An amnesty without any measures to stop the flow of illegals into our nation. He/she favors jobs for illegals over jobs for Americans. He/she wants your tax dollars supporting welfare/schooling/medical care for illegals rather than supporting Americans. He/she believes anyone in the world has the right to be in America, and shouldn't be sent home if they sneak in.

    I'll fight for American jobs for American workers. And American taxpayers supporting America's needs. Vote me!"

    I mean is this a hard case to make? The Democrats are off in a treasonous--replace the American people-looney land, all you have to do is call it out.

  17. istevefan says:

    He said some good things, but so does almost everyone.

    George Washington is a legend not because of what he said, but because of what he did.

    First, he was the commanding general of the Continental Army at the conclusion of the Revolutionary War. At that point in time he was the most powerful man in the fledgling nation and could have taken political power. What did he do? He put down his sword and resigned form the army leaving the civilians in charge.

    Second, after serving two terms as the first president, he could have gone on to serve another or perhaps been made into a Mugabe-like figure. What did he do? He peacefully left office after two terms.

    You could probably count on one hand the number of historical figures who have done the same. More often than not the revolutionary leader ends up like a Castro or some other tyrant.

    If Washington did nothing else, that would qualify him as the top American of all time in my book.

  18. @Lot
    It's looking like Trump, if he wants to finish his term, may need Bibi to help provoke a war with Iran. The events the last week in Syria could mean this plan is already in progress.

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, and Trump be subjected to endless congressional investigations, harassment, etc in 2019 that will eventually end in his impeachment and conviction with the support of the Senate GOP amnesty caucus.

    A heavy bombing campaign of Iran will rally the country around the flag and our commander and chief and provide stunning HD visuals of explosions. Not following it up with a long and pointless occupation will make Trump look brilliant by comparison to W. Though maybe we let the Saudis/UAE take over Qatar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ3eBerHfM

    Bombing Iran will not be just another TV spectacle with no consequences, it will lead to another losing war in the Gulf. That will eliminate the last support from those of us who voted for Trump and guarantee he will be a one term President.

  19. @Lot
    It's looking like Trump, if he wants to finish his term, may need Bibi to help provoke a war with Iran. The events the last week in Syria could mean this plan is already in progress.

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, and Trump be subjected to endless congressional investigations, harassment, etc in 2019 that will eventually end in his impeachment and conviction with the support of the Senate GOP amnesty caucus.

    A heavy bombing campaign of Iran will rally the country around the flag and our commander and chief and provide stunning HD visuals of explosions. Not following it up with a long and pointless occupation will make Trump look brilliant by comparison to W. Though maybe we let the Saudis/UAE take over Qatar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ3eBerHfM

    Wouldn’t North Korea be a better choice, since Trump already has a public semi kayfabe style feud with Kim Jong Un, North Korea has been firing rockets and getting lots of media coverage, etc.? Most people don’t care about Iran except for Jews.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I'd agree but NJ has nukes, Iran does not.
  20. @anonymous
    Washington was what he was. Was he a patriot? To Virginia, which could have flourished so well on its own, if not for pettyfoggers like Washington getting the Yankees and the deep South to join in alliance with Virginia for a war fought over issues of taxation, for God's sake - to Virginia he was no patriot. Imagine Virginia today if it were its own country - it would be so much better off. Thanks in large part to rich dudes with little common sense like Washington, it is what it now is. Was he a patriot to the monarchy to whom he swore an oath of loyalty in his youth? Obviously not. Was he a patriot to the fledgling United States - well, war is more fun if you are a general than if you are a soldier, and I have not heard that Washington incurred any wounds in the war that he helped start. So sure he was a patriot if all it takes to be a patriot is to take on the fun jobs like being a general in a war you helped start.

    He said some good things, but so does almost everyone. It is kind of Sailer to point out some of the better things Washington said.

    We should be grateful to those who are unloveable because we do not know what caused them to be unloveable - it is possible that they volunteered to take on, in our place, the burden of being tall and ugly, or short and ugly, or weak, or involuntarily childless, or stupid in spite of an expensive education, or powerless. But there must come a limit to the admiration of those who fall short of virtue. There are great American patriots who should be remembered. Virginians should be allowed to mourn the fact that so many Virginians failed to love their own land. "Humanity is the only totally false god" as Don Colacho used to say. Well I respect Washington - while being aware that he was no better than some of my friends, among whom there are two or three true heroes - and I know how hurt he would be to see his picture on the currency of today.

    Was he a patriot to the monarchy to whom he swore an oath of loyalty in his youth? Obviously not.

    1. The oath Washington took became void when George III repeatedly violated the rights of Americans he was obliged to protect. Read the Declaration of Independence for details.

    2. George held his office only because James was overthrown by a parliament that had sworn oaths to him.

    3. English common law does not recognize permanently binding oaths. Rather they are symbolic of the oathmaker’s submission at the time of the oath.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Lot - thanks for the insights, but decent people do not violate their oaths.

    I wouldn't, and I hope you wouldn't either.

    George should have remained in quiet retirement rather than violate his oath. It is a permanent stain on his mortal time of earth that he either lied when he took the oath or lied when he forsook it. You seem to think the later lie was not a problem: if you are right, the problem remains that he lied at the first time.

    Good people are true to their word. Virginia would be a much better country if George had decided not to go down in history as a liar and an oath-breaker. This has nothing to do with the "justice of his cause" as I am sure he liked to see it, it is a more basic issue than his anger at tax policies - you either care about what you have promised or you don't.

    Yes, George should have remained in quiet retirement. It is not that hard of a moral issue to understand.

  21. istevefan says:
    @Harold
    I’m sorry to go off topic, but…

    …does anyone remember a story a while back about the US embassy promoting multiculturalism/diversity in France?

    I can’t find it. I wanted to reference it when discussing and debating about this foreign influence business.

    I don’t know if it was discussed here specifically, but somewhere in the steve-o-sphere, alt-right, or on neoreactionary blogs, etc.

    This is not about France, but a couple of months ago the State Department solicited bids to run a media project in Hungary to educate people in democracy. Of course Hungary is a democracy already, which is why they are in the EU. But of course Hungary with its leader Orban is resisting the immivasion, and so I assume the deep state at State wants him removed.

    Here is the original Politico story. Politico is not a right-wing site.

    The Hungarian Foreign Ministry summoned the top American diplomat in Budapest, chargé d’affaires David Kostelancik, after the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL) announced on November 7 that it would provide up to $700,000 “for projects that increase citizens’ access to objective information about domestic and global issues in Hungary.”

    Note: The State Department has since taken down their webpage with the advert. Here is the original link which now gives an error.

    Unfortunately for the State Department, the Wayback Machine archives webpages. Here is that page advertising for US-Hungarian meddling from 26 Nov 2017.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The State Department has really distinguished itself. In a vast federal bureaucracy open to charges of ineptitude or complexity, the creators and supporters of ISIS stand out as conscious and deliberate enemies of the Constitution, the nation, and its people.
    , @Hunsdon
    "It's different when we do it!"
    , @Autochthon
    The very existence of a so-called "Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, & Labour" is antithetical to all three.
  22. istevefan says:
    @Harold
    I’m sorry to go off topic, but…

    …does anyone remember a story a while back about the US embassy promoting multiculturalism/diversity in France?

    I can’t find it. I wanted to reference it when discussing and debating about this foreign influence business.

    I don’t know if it was discussed here specifically, but somewhere in the steve-o-sphere, alt-right, or on neoreactionary blogs, etc.

    Here is a wikileaks cable from the US embassy in Estonia. It is from 2006 and apparently has the US embassy wanting to introduce GOE (Government of Estonia) to the glories of multiculturalism

    – Estonia has no hate crime specific legislation, and Estonian prosecution of hate crimes has not been aggressive. Punishment for first-time offenders is particularly lax.

    – More efforts must be made in awareness-raising to ensure that law enforcement officials and victims of race hate crimes are aware of appropriate provisions of the Criminal Code allowing for prosecution of hate crimes.

    – Estonian authorities ought to add the teaching of the benefits of diversity and living in a multicultural society in school programs.

    – Estonian authorities need to provide support for the Press Council of Estonia and the Estonian Newspaper Association for training journalists on issues related to racism and racial discrimination.

    – More training is needed for law enforcement on issues related to racism and racial discrimination.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I'm not Estonian, and I personally think enlarging NATO was a dumb idea. But this really annoyed me. Estonia did not survive Russian attempts to wipe it out as a nation simply to commit national suicide on the urging of a bunch of random State Department officials. As a type, as Henry Kissinger once aptly noted, they tend to be of the wool bleeding heart sort, the type that really belongs in the clergy. Look at that cable. Telling-not asking, but demanding-authorities of foreign nations they "need" to provide support journalists to uphold multicultural dogma? That's just inept. Kennan would be spinning over in his grave.

    (Richard Nixon's judgement was more succinct: "Impossible **gs.")

    And this is the really scary part: this was from the Bush Administration in 2006. Imagine what it was like 8 years later.

  23. istevefan says:
    @Harold
    I’m sorry to go off topic, but…

    …does anyone remember a story a while back about the US embassy promoting multiculturalism/diversity in France?

    I can’t find it. I wanted to reference it when discussing and debating about this foreign influence business.

    I don’t know if it was discussed here specifically, but somewhere in the steve-o-sphere, alt-right, or on neoreactionary blogs, etc.

    Well I guess I did find the wikileaks cable on France. This is titled, ‘EMBASSY PARIS – MINORITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY’ and is from 2010.

    Excerpt:

    (C/NF) SUMMARY: In keeping with France’s unique history and circumstances, Embassy Paris has created a Minority Engagement Strategy that encompasses, among other groups, the French Muslim population and responds to the goals outlined in reftel A. Our aim is to engage the French population at all levels in order to amplify France’s efforts to realize its own egalitarian ideals, thereby advancing U.S. national interests. While France is justifiably proud of its leading role in conceiving democratic ideals and championing human rights and the rule of law, French institutions have not proven themselves flexible enough to adjust to an increasingly heterodox demography. We believe that if France, over the long run, does not successfully increase opportunity and provide genuine political representation for its minority populations, France could become a weaker, more divided country, perhaps more crisis-prone and inward-looking, and consequently a less capable ally. To support French efforts to provide equal opportunity for minority populations, we will engage in positive discourse; set a strong example; implement an aggressive youth outreach strategy; encourage moderate voices; propagate best practices; and deepen our understanding of the underlying causes of inequality in France. We will also integrate the efforts of various Embassy sections, target influential leaders among our primary audiences, and evaluate both tangible and intangible indicators of the success of our strategy. END SUMMARY.

    • Replies: @Harold
    Yes! Thank you very much for all of these responses.

    It was indeed these wikileaks revelations, I recall now.

    With this information I also found this one, which seems different
    https://themicronauts.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/u-s-embassy-engagement-with-muslim-communities-in-france/

    And this round-up article of US embassy outreach
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2916/state-department-promoting-islam-europe

    “The French government -- which has been trying to reverse the pernicious effects of decades of state-sponsored multiculturalism -- expressed dismay at what it called "meddling."”

    Thanks again!

    , @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  24. @istevefan
    Well I guess I did find the wikileaks cable on France. This is titled, 'EMBASSY PARIS - MINORITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY' and is from 2010.

    Excerpt:

    (C/NF) SUMMARY: In keeping with France's unique history and circumstances, Embassy Paris has created a Minority Engagement Strategy that encompasses, among other groups, the French Muslim population and responds to the goals outlined in reftel A. Our aim is to engage the French population at all levels in order to amplify France's efforts to realize its own egalitarian ideals, thereby advancing U.S. national interests. While France is justifiably proud of its leading role in conceiving democratic ideals and championing human rights and the rule of law, French institutions have not proven themselves flexible enough to adjust to an increasingly heterodox demography. We believe that if France, over the long run, does not successfully increase opportunity and provide genuine political representation for its minority populations, France could become a weaker, more divided country, perhaps more crisis-prone and inward-looking, and consequently a less capable ally. To support French efforts to provide equal opportunity for minority populations, we will engage in positive discourse; set a strong example; implement an aggressive youth outreach strategy; encourage moderate voices; propagate best practices; and deepen our understanding of the underlying causes of inequality in France. We will also integrate the efforts of various Embassy sections, target influential leaders among our primary audiences, and evaluate both tangible and intangible indicators of the success of our strategy. END SUMMARY.
     

    Yes! Thank you very much for all of these responses.

    It was indeed these wikileaks revelations, I recall now.

    With this information I also found this one, which seems different
    https://themicronauts.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/u-s-embassy-engagement-with-muslim-communities-in-france/

    And this round-up article of US embassy outreach
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2916/state-department-promoting-islam-europe

    “The French government — which has been trying to reverse the pernicious effects of decades of state-sponsored multiculturalism — expressed dismay at what it called “meddling.””

    Thanks again!

  25. Therein lies the rub: our political elite doesn’t really view Mexico as foreign. Not in the long run, anyway. Thus, Mexican interference in our politics-https://migration.ucdavis.edu/mn/more.php?id=492-is OK.

    When you can’t get your own people to slave 16 hours a day for peanuts, all so you can have the same freedom, wealth, and lack of accountability your well-to-do counterparts in another nation have, what is there left to do but elect a new people? It is the definition of democracy. Just ask Jeb Bush.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/11/22/twenty-years-after-prop-187-attitudes-toward-illegal-immigration-have-changed-dramatically-in-california/

    OT:

    http://maxweber.hunter.cuny.edu/pub/eres/BLPR102_PIMENTEL/latinos187.html

    “This research analyzes data from Field Polls conducted in October 1994, shortly before the general election where Proposition 187 appeared. Results. A set of multivariate analyses reveals that Latino support for 187 did not come from Latinos most likely to be economically threatened by immigration. Instead, Latinos who are non-citizens and who use Spanish as a primary language overwhelmingly opposed Proposition 187 because these are the Latinos who are most likely to face discrimination with the passage of the measure. **Latinos who speak English and are citizens may have perceived no threat from 187, explaining why the supported the measure.**

    It’s racist to insist immigrants learn English. That might mean they gain economic success and aren’t happy debt peons-I mean, diversity, institutional privilege, no human is illegal and stuff.

  26. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Was he a patriot to the monarchy to whom he swore an oath of loyalty in his youth? Obviously not.
     
    1. The oath Washington took became void when George III repeatedly violated the rights of Americans he was obliged to protect. Read the Declaration of Independence for details.

    2. George held his office only because James was overthrown by a parliament that had sworn oaths to him.

    3. English common law does not recognize permanently binding oaths. Rather they are symbolic of the oathmaker's submission at the time of the oath.

    Lot – thanks for the insights, but decent people do not violate their oaths.

    I wouldn’t, and I hope you wouldn’t either.

    George should have remained in quiet retirement rather than violate his oath. It is a permanent stain on his mortal time of earth that he either lied when he took the oath or lied when he forsook it. You seem to think the later lie was not a problem: if you are right, the problem remains that he lied at the first time.

    Good people are true to their word. Virginia would be a much better country if George had decided not to go down in history as a liar and an oath-breaker. This has nothing to do with the “justice of his cause” as I am sure he liked to see it, it is a more basic issue than his anger at tax policies – you either care about what you have promised or you don’t.

    Yes, George should have remained in quiet retirement. It is not that hard of a moral issue to understand.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Lot – thanks for the insights, but decent people do not violate their oaths.
     
    Sure they do. If someone, after swearing me to secrecy, then told me that they were raping children, I would feel no sense of hesitation about violating my oath.

    Try not to be so autistic.
  27. @istevefan
    Here is a wikileaks cable from the US embassy in Estonia. It is from 2006 and apparently has the US embassy wanting to introduce GOE (Government of Estonia) to the glories of multiculturalism

    - Estonia has no hate crime specific legislation, and Estonian prosecution of hate crimes has not been aggressive. Punishment for first-time offenders is particularly lax.

    - More efforts must be made in awareness-raising to ensure that law enforcement officials and victims of race hate crimes are aware of appropriate provisions of the Criminal Code allowing for prosecution of hate crimes.

    - Estonian authorities ought to add the teaching of the benefits of diversity and living in a multicultural society in school programs.

    - Estonian authorities need to provide support for the Press Council of Estonia and the Estonian Newspaper Association for training journalists on issues related to racism and racial discrimination.

    - More training is needed for law enforcement on issues related to racism and racial discrimination.
     

    I’m not Estonian, and I personally think enlarging NATO was a dumb idea. But this really annoyed me. Estonia did not survive Russian attempts to wipe it out as a nation simply to commit national suicide on the urging of a bunch of random State Department officials. As a type, as Henry Kissinger once aptly noted, they tend to be of the wool bleeding heart sort, the type that really belongs in the clergy. Look at that cable. Telling-not asking, but demanding-authorities of foreign nations they “need” to provide support journalists to uphold multicultural dogma? That’s just inept. Kennan would be spinning over in his grave.

    (Richard Nixon’s judgement was more succinct: “Impossible **gs.”)

    And this is the really scary part: this was from the Bush Administration in 2006. Imagine what it was like 8 years later.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    Estonia did not survive Russian attempts to wipe it out as a nation...
     
    To this day Estonia and Latvia are nearly 25% ethnic Russian. They know first hand the problems of taking in "others" and in their case the "others" are not exactly from the other side of the world.

    With that in mind I want you to watch this clip of Rick Steves doing one of his travel shows about visiting Estonia. This guy makes interest travel shows for PBS that focus on how to travel by bringing the minimum amount of luggage and then trying to hit the places other tourists miss.

    However, he is a liberal and never, ever seems to show footage of the muslims in all those European capitals he visits. But it is not like he is unaware about immigration and the problems it causes. In his episode on Estonia, he points out the problems they are having today with their legacy Russian population. He describes them and attributes social ills to them that a liberal would never dream about doing to third worlders in the West. So it shows that these guys definitely know there are problems, they just know not to mention them when certain groups are involved.

    Here is the clip. Just listen to about 20 seconds of it and pay close attention to his 2 cents in his narration. Replace Russian with dang near any other ethnic name and he'd be banned for hate speech.

  28. @istevefan
    This is not about France, but a couple of months ago the State Department solicited bids to run a media project in Hungary to educate people in democracy. Of course Hungary is a democracy already, which is why they are in the EU. But of course Hungary with its leader Orban is resisting the immivasion, and so I assume the deep state at State wants him removed.

    Here is the original Politico story. Politico is not a right-wing site.

    The Hungarian Foreign Ministry summoned the top American diplomat in Budapest, chargé d’affaires David Kostelancik, after the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL) announced on November 7 that it would provide up to $700,000 “for projects that increase citizens’ access to objective information about domestic and global issues in Hungary.”
     
    Note: The State Department has since taken down their webpage with the advert. Here is the original link which now gives an error.

    Unfortunately for the State Department, the Wayback Machine archives webpages. Here is that page advertising for US-Hungarian meddling from 26 Nov 2017.

    The State Department has really distinguished itself. In a vast federal bureaucracy open to charges of ineptitude or complexity, the creators and supporters of ISIS stand out as conscious and deliberate enemies of the Constitution, the nation, and its people.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @29 J.Ross: "The State Department has really distinguished itself. In a vast federal bureaucracy open to charges of ineptitude or complexity, the creators and supporters of ISIS stand out as conscious and deliberate enemies of the Constitution, the nation, and its people."

    You would be hard pressed today to find a plurality of State employees who would meet the definition of "natural-born American" both by genealogy and traditional belief prior to 1945. The situation was pretty bad in the late '80s early '90s; it is terminal today.
  29. @eah
    fellow-citizens

    http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/11oath0907.JPG

    Apparently their hearts are located in different areas of their chests.

  30. @Reg Cæsar

    (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens)
     
    I knew Washington was a tinkerer, but a conjurer too?

    https://i2.wp.com/www.chipchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Washington-Farming-Inventions-Modern-Mechanix.jpg

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnberlau/2016/02/11/how-george-washington-propelled-steamboats-americas-first-great-disruptive-technology/#7fb4bebf9c4f

    https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-tinkerers

    I was recently watching the John Adams miniseries on HBO, which was fine but had some strange casting choices and mistakes that are bothersome to people who know the story. But I was struck by a scene where Ben Franklin was admiring a swivel chair Jefferson made. I thought about the caliber of the men that led the revolution, compared to what followed. I know they were a product of their time, but who was the last president that had a true scientific curiosity? Teddy, with his birds and his animal skeletons? Has there been anyone in the top flights of government? Maybe it is for the best, who knows, but I think that having people who truly think (I hate to say it) outside the box, in a scientific manner, and who genuinely want to improve the world would bring innovative approaches to solving our problems.

  31. @anonymous
    Washington was what he was. Was he a patriot? To Virginia, which could have flourished so well on its own, if not for pettyfoggers like Washington getting the Yankees and the deep South to join in alliance with Virginia for a war fought over issues of taxation, for God's sake - to Virginia he was no patriot. Imagine Virginia today if it were its own country - it would be so much better off. Thanks in large part to rich dudes with little common sense like Washington, it is what it now is. Was he a patriot to the monarchy to whom he swore an oath of loyalty in his youth? Obviously not. Was he a patriot to the fledgling United States - well, war is more fun if you are a general than if you are a soldier, and I have not heard that Washington incurred any wounds in the war that he helped start. So sure he was a patriot if all it takes to be a patriot is to take on the fun jobs like being a general in a war you helped start.

    He said some good things, but so does almost everyone. It is kind of Sailer to point out some of the better things Washington said.

    We should be grateful to those who are unloveable because we do not know what caused them to be unloveable - it is possible that they volunteered to take on, in our place, the burden of being tall and ugly, or short and ugly, or weak, or involuntarily childless, or stupid in spite of an expensive education, or powerless. But there must come a limit to the admiration of those who fall short of virtue. There are great American patriots who should be remembered. Virginians should be allowed to mourn the fact that so many Virginians failed to love their own land. "Humanity is the only totally false god" as Don Colacho used to say. Well I respect Washington - while being aware that he was no better than some of my friends, among whom there are two or three true heroes - and I know how hurt he would be to see his picture on the currency of today.

    “If all it takes to be a patriot is to take on the fun jobs like being a general…” I’m not sure you understand what all goes with being a leader of thousands, especially of a generally shitty volunteer army.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Actually I certainly do.

    Ad hominem is not a good way to waste time on the internet.
  32. @eah
    fellow-citizens

    http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/11oath0907.JPG

    I know someone who became an American citizen last year in a ceremony at a Northeastern state capital. Out of about a hundred people taking the citizenship pledge, she was the only white. Also, maybe the only one fluent in English. Also, maybe the only one with a perfect score on the citizenship exam.

    • Replies: @eah
    Their votes now count as much as yours.
    , @stillCARealist
    My mom just went to a big ceremony in Oakland, CA. They were calling out the countries being represented and people were responding. When they said, "China", there was a deafening roar.

    FWIW the new citizen she was there for is now an enthusiastic Christian, Republican Trump supporter.
  33. @Almost Missouri
    I know someone who became an American citizen last year in a ceremony at a Northeastern state capital. Out of about a hundred people taking the citizenship pledge, she was the only white. Also, maybe the only one fluent in English. Also, maybe the only one with a perfect score on the citizenship exam.

    Their votes now count as much as yours.

  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    Washington's Farewell Address is a wonderful thing. Our people had a continent and some good ideas. It's a shame our leaders since have forgotten.

    Technically you didn’t have the continent, yet.

    First came the immigrants, then the invasions…karma?

  35. @istevefan
    This is not about France, but a couple of months ago the State Department solicited bids to run a media project in Hungary to educate people in democracy. Of course Hungary is a democracy already, which is why they are in the EU. But of course Hungary with its leader Orban is resisting the immivasion, and so I assume the deep state at State wants him removed.

    Here is the original Politico story. Politico is not a right-wing site.

    The Hungarian Foreign Ministry summoned the top American diplomat in Budapest, chargé d’affaires David Kostelancik, after the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL) announced on November 7 that it would provide up to $700,000 “for projects that increase citizens’ access to objective information about domestic and global issues in Hungary.”
     
    Note: The State Department has since taken down their webpage with the advert. Here is the original link which now gives an error.

    Unfortunately for the State Department, the Wayback Machine archives webpages. Here is that page advertising for US-Hungarian meddling from 26 Nov 2017.

    “It’s different when we do it!”

  36. @Almost Missouri
    I know someone who became an American citizen last year in a ceremony at a Northeastern state capital. Out of about a hundred people taking the citizenship pledge, she was the only white. Also, maybe the only one fluent in English. Also, maybe the only one with a perfect score on the citizenship exam.

    My mom just went to a big ceremony in Oakland, CA. They were calling out the countries being represented and people were responding. When they said, “China”, there was a deafening roar.

    FWIW the new citizen she was there for is now an enthusiastic Christian, Republican Trump supporter.

  37. @Anon
    According to globalists, 'isolationism' is bad because the US doesn't meddle in the world... but then, it's bad if the world meddles in the US. So, interventionism means US gets to meddle in other nations but not vice versa. Well, let me correct that. The globalists are okay with world meddling in the world as long as their meddling complements the Agenda.

    So, this Russia Hysteria is not really about the US patriotism vs Russian foreign meddling. It's about alien Zionist-globalists wanting to be the ONLY meddler in American affairs. It's about alien vs alien.

    Jewish power is clearly worldwide and global. Also, Jewish-Americans feel closer to European Jews and Israelis than to Americans. So, Jewish power is essentially alien. It can be patriotic and America, as with Stephen Miller, but people like David Brooks and William Kristol, despite being born here and being citizens, don't feel mainly as Americans but as Jewish globalists. They feel closer to foreign Jews and with non-white futurians as leverage against White America. As such, they are essentially alienists than nationalists.

    So, this isn't US vs alien power but about alien power vs alien power for control over America.
    Also, it's not so much about control vs control.
    Russia doesn't want to control America. It just wants the US to be less hostile to Russia. In contrast, Jewish globalists really do want to control the US and make it hate and even destroy nations that they hate, like Iran and Russia.

    What Jews hate and fear most about Russia is not its actions but its very existence. Even if Russia didn't meddle at all in the US, Jews resent the fact that Russia has more national sovereignty than most European nations combined that take orders from EU and NATO... though there are stirrings of rebellion from Poland and Hungary. So, even if Russia does absolutely nothing, its very existence as an example to other European nations and maybe to whites and Christians in America is deeply threatening to Jews.

    It's like Woody Allen in some films feel threatened by the mere existence of white goyim. Even if they are not Nazis or anti-Semites, their very existence threatens him because they make him feel less manly. There are two kinds of threats. There are those who mean harm. Then, there are those don't mean you harm but stand for something that undermines your agenda by offering an alternative.

    Among gangsters, the thing is to wipe out the competition. So, if your side sells stuff, the other side will try to wipe you out and take over. The harm is direct.

    But businesses operate differently. If you sell certain goods, and if another business offers similar goods, there is no direct harm intended toward you. The other business will not attack you and your business with guns and clubs. They will just do their business. But if what they offer is more appealing to customers, it does pose a threat to your business.

    In terms of economics, Russia doesn't have much to sell. But given the current state of the world of uncertainty and submission to the mono-power of globalism pushed by the US, the mere existence of Russia(and maybe Iran and China) poses a threat to the Idea that the American way -- either culturally, financially, or militarily -- is the ONLY way for the whole world. Outside Russia, China, and Iran, there are almost no nations that don't submit to the US in one or all of three ways of control: military, financial, and cultural.

    the mere existence of Russia(and maybe Iran and China) poses a threat to the Idea that the American way — either culturally, financially, or militarily — is the ONLY way for the whole world.

    Russians have presidential elections on March 18; what awaits them should they fail to vote is undoubtedly no laughing matter.

    (in Russian, but you’ll understand)

  38. …nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest.

    … a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification…

    Steve, you didn’t quote the paragraph from the Farewell Address where Washington appears to be directly warning us from the grave about Israel

  39. @Lot
    It's looking like Trump, if he wants to finish his term, may need Bibi to help provoke a war with Iran. The events the last week in Syria could mean this plan is already in progress.

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, and Trump be subjected to endless congressional investigations, harassment, etc in 2019 that will eventually end in his impeachment and conviction with the support of the Senate GOP amnesty caucus.

    A heavy bombing campaign of Iran will rally the country around the flag and our commander and chief and provide stunning HD visuals of explosions. Not following it up with a long and pointless occupation will make Trump look brilliant by comparison to W. Though maybe we let the Saudis/UAE take over Qatar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ3eBerHfM

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, and Trump be subjected to endless congressional investigations, harassment, etc in 2019 that will eventually end in his impeachment and conviction with the support of the Senate GOP amnesty caucus.

    Dude, chill out.

  40. Was Washington just Hamilton’s puppet? To the great dismay of some at least… https://books.google.com/books?id=nWRbVDAUP2gC&pg=PA480&lpg

  41. @anonymous
    Lot - thanks for the insights, but decent people do not violate their oaths.

    I wouldn't, and I hope you wouldn't either.

    George should have remained in quiet retirement rather than violate his oath. It is a permanent stain on his mortal time of earth that he either lied when he took the oath or lied when he forsook it. You seem to think the later lie was not a problem: if you are right, the problem remains that he lied at the first time.

    Good people are true to their word. Virginia would be a much better country if George had decided not to go down in history as a liar and an oath-breaker. This has nothing to do with the "justice of his cause" as I am sure he liked to see it, it is a more basic issue than his anger at tax policies - you either care about what you have promised or you don't.

    Yes, George should have remained in quiet retirement. It is not that hard of a moral issue to understand.

    Lot – thanks for the insights, but decent people do not violate their oaths.

    Sure they do. If someone, after swearing me to secrecy, then told me that they were raping children, I would feel no sense of hesitation about violating my oath.

    Try not to be so autistic.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Decent people do not take oaths of secrecy. I am nowhere near autistic, by the way.

    Stop wasting people's time with your poor logic.

  42. @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s a shame our leaders since have forgotten.
     
    It's a shame our people have forgotten.

    How many Americans are aware of anything that was ever written by Washington, Jefferson, or Hamilton? Other than watching that stupid musical "Hamilton," do Americans ever take interest in our Founding Fathers?

    One reason that our public is so easily sold propaganda is because they're stupid. They don't read books or newspapers. They don't study history or discuss public policy. They instead spend their free time consuming entertainment - tv sitcoms, football, music video, movies, Facebook, etc. Their mental energy is dedicated to frivolity.

    So hardly any Americans are aware of anything ever said by the Founding Fathers, but they're quite aware of the relationship drama of the Kardashian-West marriage and the issues facing the offense of the New England Patriots. Not surprisingly, Americans believe whatever BS they hear on teevee. They're much too ignorant to tell fact from fiction.

    When I say Americans, I mean all races of Americans. Including Whites. There's this huge myth constantly propagated on here that Whites are mature, sober minded, and guilty. They're the "adult in the room." In reality, Whites are generally buffoons. Seldomly will you meet a White who can have an intelligent conversation on history or current events.

    Our media isn't much better. Seldomly do you see any journalist/broadcaster who has any in-depth understanding of any major issue of importance. They generally have no original insights or worthwhile analysis. They're devoid of any real talents, other than reading off cue cards and regurgitating banalities. Their command of most issues is only slightly more impressive than what you'd see in a group of college freshmen. Just watch Don Lemon on CNN. Or Bill O'Reilly. Or Chris Matthews.

    Thomas Jefferson once said, “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.” A knowledgeable, well-informed public and media are neccessary to keep a check on rapacious politicians. When the citizenry abdicate their responsibilities, conmen take control of the government and loot the public treasury.

    War profiteers have spent 16 years looting our public treasury to win the neverending "War on Terror," while meanwhile the public is distracted by football and the media focuses on the issues that matter (such as transgendered bathrooms, Russian collusion, and the Trump-Oprah Twitter feud).

    It has always been thus.

    In 1645, a famous statesmen counselled: “Do you not know, my son, with what little knowledge the world is governed?”

    The key is to abide by a few important dictums, one being that demography is destiny. The people and leaders around us have ignored that to our decline.

    • Replies: @Graham
    The statesman was Axel Oxenstierna, Lord High Chancellor of Sweden, in case anyone wondered (although most people here would have known that, I'm sure) and he wrote in Latin, not Swedish: "an nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur?". More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Oxenstierna .
  43. @Lot
    It's looking like Trump, if he wants to finish his term, may need Bibi to help provoke a war with Iran. The events the last week in Syria could mean this plan is already in progress.

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, and Trump be subjected to endless congressional investigations, harassment, etc in 2019 that will eventually end in his impeachment and conviction with the support of the Senate GOP amnesty caucus.

    A heavy bombing campaign of Iran will rally the country around the flag and our commander and chief and provide stunning HD visuals of explosions. Not following it up with a long and pointless occupation will make Trump look brilliant by comparison to W. Though maybe we let the Saudis/UAE take over Qatar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ3eBerHfM

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, …

    Lot, i don’t waste my time with tracking polls–i do enough other time wasting–so i’ll just take your word for it.

    But i do find it bizzare that we’d be lined up to lose the Senate in the “Democrat rich” cycle–including a bunch of red and purple state Democrats, including a bunch of one termers from 2012.

    Trump needs to discipline himself and nationalize this election around the Democrats’ immigration insanity–i.e. treason. The smarter Democrats even knew they were vulnerable which is why they shut down their shutdown even though they really, really, really want to have more amnesties and replace the American people.

    Trump probably also needs to do something–again disciplined not chaotic–on this Russia thing just to point out the Mueller has labored and labored and indicted some half-assed, third rate, clickbait operation by some Russian nationals. But bottom line: the Russia thing is nonsense. Trump shouldn’t spend much time on it. Just get the truth out.

    Then push forward on infrastructure. Try to get some specific projects going. He’s already had a year.

    If Trump can nationalize the election around nationalism–the GOP should roll. If it’s about “Trump is the greatest president of all time”, while the Democrats have their “Trump is a loon and a danger to the nation” … the “loon” part of that may just win.

    ~~~

    But here’s the thing. Even if Trump is chaotic Trump, i don’t see why individual Republican candidates can’t do the obvious themselves. Republicans ought to be able to actually gain a bunch of seats in the Senate.

    “Joe/Jane-Democrat voted to shut down the government in order to get an amnesty for illegal aliens. An amnesty without any measures to stop the flow of illegals into our nation. He/she favors jobs for illegals over jobs for Americans. He/she wants your tax dollars supporting welfare/schooling/medical care for illegals rather than supporting Americans. He/she believes anyone in the world has the right to be in America, and shouldn’t be sent home if they sneak in.

    I’ll fight for American jobs for American workers. And American taxpayers supporting America’s needs. Vote me!”

    I mean is this a hard case to make? The Democrats are off in a treasonous–replace the American people-looney land, all you have to do is call it out.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I agree with all this, but I've also accepted that Trump has decided to govern as Bush III.

    Even before the inaugural it was clear he wasn't going to govern as a nationalist when he unveiled his cabinet, which looked basically like what a President Paul Ryan would have chosen, full of party hacks, Wall Streeters, and random billionaires.

    Our problem with 2018 is Hillary isn't running, instead we have lots of well funded Democrats who have dialed up the implicit whiteness factor like Tester, Brown, McCaskell, and a bunch of young Iraq vets with attractive wives and children. Don't expect these candidates to be running around with Treyvon and Little Mikey Brown's mothers and Huma, an actual Muslim Brotherhood Princess.

    A Dem just picked up yesterday a Kentucky state leg seat that voted 70% of Trump and 66% for Romney. A month ago the same in Wisconsin. Huge losses in Virginia in Nov 2017.

    Outside of a popular war without ground troops, it looks like we are headed for disaster. GOP house member retirements are already breaking records as they see the writing on the wall.

    The only other hope is Trump will provoke the Dems into making 2018 about illegal aliens, trannies in girls' high school showers, and poor oppressed black criminals. Dems are unlikely to be that stupid because again, Hillary isn't running.
  44. @Anonymous
    Wouldn't North Korea be a better choice, since Trump already has a public semi kayfabe style feud with Kim Jong Un, North Korea has been firing rockets and getting lots of media coverage, etc.? Most people don't care about Iran except for Jews.

    I’d agree but NJ has nukes, Iran does not.

  45. @bomag
    It has always been thus.

    In 1645, a famous statesmen counselled: "Do you not know, my son, with what little knowledge the world is governed?"

    The key is to abide by a few important dictums, one being that demography is destiny. The people and leaders around us have ignored that to our decline.

    The statesman was Axel Oxenstierna, Lord High Chancellor of Sweden, in case anyone wondered (although most people here would have known that, I’m sure) and he wrote in Latin, not Swedish: “an nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur?”. More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Oxenstierna .

  46. @william munny
    I was recently watching the John Adams miniseries on HBO, which was fine but had some strange casting choices and mistakes that are bothersome to people who know the story. But I was struck by a scene where Ben Franklin was admiring a swivel chair Jefferson made. I thought about the caliber of the men that led the revolution, compared to what followed. I know they were a product of their time, but who was the last president that had a true scientific curiosity? Teddy, with his birds and his animal skeletons? Has there been anyone in the top flights of government? Maybe it is for the best, who knows, but I think that having people who truly think (I hate to say it) outside the box, in a scientific manner, and who genuinely want to improve the world would bring innovative approaches to solving our problems.
  47. @AnotherDad

    The track we are on now is for the GOP to lose the House and Senate, ...
     
    Lot, i don't waste my time with tracking polls--i do enough other time wasting--so i'll just take your word for it.

    But i do find it bizzare that we'd be lined up to lose the Senate in the "Democrat rich" cycle--including a bunch of red and purple state Democrats, including a bunch of one termers from 2012.

    Trump needs to discipline himself and nationalize this election around the Democrats' immigration insanity--i.e. treason. The smarter Democrats even knew they were vulnerable which is why they shut down their shutdown even though they really, really, really want to have more amnesties and replace the American people.

    Trump probably also needs to do something--again disciplined not chaotic--on this Russia thing just to point out the Mueller has labored and labored and indicted some half-assed, third rate, clickbait operation by some Russian nationals. But bottom line: the Russia thing is nonsense. Trump shouldn't spend much time on it. Just get the truth out.

    Then push forward on infrastructure. Try to get some specific projects going. He's already had a year.

    If Trump can nationalize the election around nationalism--the GOP should roll. If it's about "Trump is the greatest president of all time", while the Democrats have their "Trump is a loon and a danger to the nation" ... the "loon" part of that may just win.

    ~~~

    But here's the thing. Even if Trump is chaotic Trump, i don't see why individual Republican candidates can't do the obvious themselves. Republicans ought to be able to actually gain a bunch of seats in the Senate.

    "Joe/Jane-Democrat voted to shut down the government in order to get an amnesty for illegal aliens. An amnesty without any measures to stop the flow of illegals into our nation. He/she favors jobs for illegals over jobs for Americans. He/she wants your tax dollars supporting welfare/schooling/medical care for illegals rather than supporting Americans. He/she believes anyone in the world has the right to be in America, and shouldn't be sent home if they sneak in.

    I'll fight for American jobs for American workers. And American taxpayers supporting America's needs. Vote me!"

    I mean is this a hard case to make? The Democrats are off in a treasonous--replace the American people-looney land, all you have to do is call it out.

    I agree with all this, but I’ve also accepted that Trump has decided to govern as Bush III.

    Even before the inaugural it was clear he wasn’t going to govern as a nationalist when he unveiled his cabinet, which looked basically like what a President Paul Ryan would have chosen, full of party hacks, Wall Streeters, and random billionaires.

    Our problem with 2018 is Hillary isn’t running, instead we have lots of well funded Democrats who have dialed up the implicit whiteness factor like Tester, Brown, McCaskell, and a bunch of young Iraq vets with attractive wives and children. Don’t expect these candidates to be running around with Treyvon and Little Mikey Brown’s mothers and Huma, an actual Muslim Brotherhood Princess.

    A Dem just picked up yesterday a Kentucky state leg seat that voted 70% of Trump and 66% for Romney. A month ago the same in Wisconsin. Huge losses in Virginia in Nov 2017.

    Outside of a popular war without ground troops, it looks like we are headed for disaster. GOP house member retirements are already breaking records as they see the writing on the wall.

    The only other hope is Trump will provoke the Dems into making 2018 about illegal aliens, trannies in girls’ high school showers, and poor oppressed black criminals. Dems are unlikely to be that stupid because again, Hillary isn’t running.

  48. @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s a shame our leaders since have forgotten.
     
    It's a shame our people have forgotten.

    How many Americans are aware of anything that was ever written by Washington, Jefferson, or Hamilton? Other than watching that stupid musical "Hamilton," do Americans ever take interest in our Founding Fathers?

    One reason that our public is so easily sold propaganda is because they're stupid. They don't read books or newspapers. They don't study history or discuss public policy. They instead spend their free time consuming entertainment - tv sitcoms, football, music video, movies, Facebook, etc. Their mental energy is dedicated to frivolity.

    So hardly any Americans are aware of anything ever said by the Founding Fathers, but they're quite aware of the relationship drama of the Kardashian-West marriage and the issues facing the offense of the New England Patriots. Not surprisingly, Americans believe whatever BS they hear on teevee. They're much too ignorant to tell fact from fiction.

    When I say Americans, I mean all races of Americans. Including Whites. There's this huge myth constantly propagated on here that Whites are mature, sober minded, and guilty. They're the "adult in the room." In reality, Whites are generally buffoons. Seldomly will you meet a White who can have an intelligent conversation on history or current events.

    Our media isn't much better. Seldomly do you see any journalist/broadcaster who has any in-depth understanding of any major issue of importance. They generally have no original insights or worthwhile analysis. They're devoid of any real talents, other than reading off cue cards and regurgitating banalities. Their command of most issues is only slightly more impressive than what you'd see in a group of college freshmen. Just watch Don Lemon on CNN. Or Bill O'Reilly. Or Chris Matthews.

    Thomas Jefferson once said, “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.” A knowledgeable, well-informed public and media are neccessary to keep a check on rapacious politicians. When the citizenry abdicate their responsibilities, conmen take control of the government and loot the public treasury.

    War profiteers have spent 16 years looting our public treasury to win the neverending "War on Terror," while meanwhile the public is distracted by football and the media focuses on the issues that matter (such as transgendered bathrooms, Russian collusion, and the Trump-Oprah Twitter feud).

    @12 JohnnyWalker123: “One reason that our public is so easily sold propaganda is because they’re stupid. They don’t read books or newspapers. They don’t study history or discuss public policy. They instead spend their free time consuming entertainment – tv sitcoms, football, music video, movies, Facebook, etc. Their mental energy is dedicated to frivolity.”

    Bread and circuses is hardly a new strategy. As long as people willingly surrender their children to the tender cares of government schools to be properly “socialized” then people will remain stupid, ignorant, complacent, and easily led. As long as women are convinced that working in a cubicle is more fulfilling and more meaningful than bearing, rearing, and educating their own children then the destruction of Western Civilization is assured. As far as reading goes, that is still taught by a mixture of “whole language” (English by way of Chinese) and supposed phonics, so reading anything remains a struggle. Consider how any correction of grammar, syntax, or various egregious prose errors are met everywhere with cries of “grammar nazi.”

    My younger son is a very slow processor – not by any means stupid, but he learns at his own pace and has his own idiosyncracies. We have him reading, at present, Dafoe’s original and unabridged “Robinson Crusoe” (a break from the strictly political after reading and discussing “1984” and “Brave New World”) and “The Naked Communist.” The use of “specie” in the latter led to a discussion of pluralia tantum, and a comparison of “species” as in origin of, versus money as precious metal coins versus fiat currency. He has no real idea of who Sojourner Truth was, but I need to check out what we need to do and what test he needs to take to get a GED (private schooled through 6th grade and home schooled subsequently). No doubt by public school standards and state guidelines he’s poorly educated.

  49. @J.Ross
    The State Department has really distinguished itself. In a vast federal bureaucracy open to charges of ineptitude or complexity, the creators and supporters of ISIS stand out as conscious and deliberate enemies of the Constitution, the nation, and its people.

    @29 J.Ross: “The State Department has really distinguished itself. In a vast federal bureaucracy open to charges of ineptitude or complexity, the creators and supporters of ISIS stand out as conscious and deliberate enemies of the Constitution, the nation, and its people.”

    You would be hard pressed today to find a plurality of State employees who would meet the definition of “natural-born American” both by genealogy and traditional belief prior to 1945. The situation was pretty bad in the late ’80s early ’90s; it is terminal today.

  50. @anonymous
    Washington was what he was. Was he a patriot? To Virginia, which could have flourished so well on its own, if not for pettyfoggers like Washington getting the Yankees and the deep South to join in alliance with Virginia for a war fought over issues of taxation, for God's sake - to Virginia he was no patriot. Imagine Virginia today if it were its own country - it would be so much better off. Thanks in large part to rich dudes with little common sense like Washington, it is what it now is. Was he a patriot to the monarchy to whom he swore an oath of loyalty in his youth? Obviously not. Was he a patriot to the fledgling United States - well, war is more fun if you are a general than if you are a soldier, and I have not heard that Washington incurred any wounds in the war that he helped start. So sure he was a patriot if all it takes to be a patriot is to take on the fun jobs like being a general in a war you helped start.

    He said some good things, but so does almost everyone. It is kind of Sailer to point out some of the better things Washington said.

    We should be grateful to those who are unloveable because we do not know what caused them to be unloveable - it is possible that they volunteered to take on, in our place, the burden of being tall and ugly, or short and ugly, or weak, or involuntarily childless, or stupid in spite of an expensive education, or powerless. But there must come a limit to the admiration of those who fall short of virtue. There are great American patriots who should be remembered. Virginians should be allowed to mourn the fact that so many Virginians failed to love their own land. "Humanity is the only totally false god" as Don Colacho used to say. Well I respect Washington - while being aware that he was no better than some of my friends, among whom there are two or three true heroes - and I know how hurt he would be to see his picture on the currency of today.

    I have not heard that Washington incurred any wounds in the war that he helped start.

    Well if he got no wounds it wasn’t for lack of trying. He was renown for having horses shot from beneath him and having lots of gunshot holes in his garments. He was anything but a “Chateau” general.

    • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @anonymous
    That was the Battle of Monongahela which clearly was not during the war that is referred to when one refers to the war he helped start.

    I agree he was not a chateau general. But I know my facts. For example, do you know the death rate for people who flew as many airplane miles as John Wayne flew in the Pacific Theater (USO-type tours, etc.?) I do, and I am disgusted every time I hear Wayne criticized for a lack of bravery.

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.

  51. @istevefan
    Well I guess I did find the wikileaks cable on France. This is titled, 'EMBASSY PARIS - MINORITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY' and is from 2010.

    Excerpt:

    (C/NF) SUMMARY: In keeping with France's unique history and circumstances, Embassy Paris has created a Minority Engagement Strategy that encompasses, among other groups, the French Muslim population and responds to the goals outlined in reftel A. Our aim is to engage the French population at all levels in order to amplify France's efforts to realize its own egalitarian ideals, thereby advancing U.S. national interests. While France is justifiably proud of its leading role in conceiving democratic ideals and championing human rights and the rule of law, French institutions have not proven themselves flexible enough to adjust to an increasingly heterodox demography. We believe that if France, over the long run, does not successfully increase opportunity and provide genuine political representation for its minority populations, France could become a weaker, more divided country, perhaps more crisis-prone and inward-looking, and consequently a less capable ally. To support French efforts to provide equal opportunity for minority populations, we will engage in positive discourse; set a strong example; implement an aggressive youth outreach strategy; encourage moderate voices; propagate best practices; and deepen our understanding of the underlying causes of inequality in France. We will also integrate the efforts of various Embassy sections, target influential leaders among our primary audiences, and evaluate both tangible and intangible indicators of the success of our strategy. END SUMMARY.
     

    Thanks.

  52. @It's All Ball Bearings
    "If all it takes to be a patriot is to take on the fun jobs like being a general..." I'm not sure you understand what all goes with being a leader of thousands, especially of a generally shitty volunteer army.

    Actually I certainly do.

    Ad hominem is not a good way to waste time on the internet.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Actually I certainly do.
     
    You were a general in charge of a volunteer army?
  53. @syonredux

    Lot – thanks for the insights, but decent people do not violate their oaths.
     
    Sure they do. If someone, after swearing me to secrecy, then told me that they were raping children, I would feel no sense of hesitation about violating my oath.

    Try not to be so autistic.

    Decent people do not take oaths of secrecy. I am nowhere near autistic, by the way.

    Stop wasting people’s time with your poor logic.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Decent people do not take oaths of secrecy.
     
    Dunno. I've told my friends some of my heretical opinions on race, and they've promised to never reveal them....

    I am nowhere near autistic, by the way.
     
    Are you sure? You sound like someone on the spectrum.....

    Stop wasting people’s time with your poor logic.
     
    More a matter of morals than logic. For example, what about German officers who decided to break their oath to Hitler during WW2? Yes, I know, Godwin's Law.....but the example seems quite germane, what with your autism and all....

    Oaths are not the highest form of morality, dear boy....

  54. @Pat Boyle
    I have not heard that Washington incurred any wounds in the war that he helped start.

    Well if he got no wounds it wasn't for lack of trying. He was renown for having horses shot from beneath him and having lots of gunshot holes in his garments. He was anything but a "Chateau" general.

    That was the Battle of Monongahela which clearly was not during the war that is referred to when one refers to the war he helped start.

    I agree he was not a chateau general. But I know my facts. For example, do you know the death rate for people who flew as many airplane miles as John Wayne flew in the Pacific Theater (USO-type tours, etc.?) I do, and I am disgusted every time I hear Wayne criticized for a lack of bravery.

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.
     
    Washington was not exactly hiding. In fact he once was under observation by a British sniper named Patrick Ferguson. Ferguson had developed the Ferguson Rifle and was going to shoot this American General, but decided not to because Washington's back was turned and he thought it dishonorable. So he instead tried to capture him and Washington got away.

    However, as I wrote above Washington will always be remembered for laying down his sword and handing over power to the civilians upon conclusion of the Revolution, and for stepping down and walking away peacefully after only two terms as the President.

    If that is all he ever did in his life, it would put him as the top American in history.
    , @syonredux

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.
     
    Not sure how Washington suffering more would have helped the Revolutionary cause......
    , @syonredux

    For example, do you know the death rate for people who flew as many airplane miles as John Wayne flew in the Pacific Theater (USO-type tours, etc.?) I do, and I am disgusted every time I hear Wayne criticized for a lack of bravery.
     
    On the other hand, I'm sure that he had more fun than a marine on Iwo Jima.....
  55. istevefan says:
    @nebulafox
    I'm not Estonian, and I personally think enlarging NATO was a dumb idea. But this really annoyed me. Estonia did not survive Russian attempts to wipe it out as a nation simply to commit national suicide on the urging of a bunch of random State Department officials. As a type, as Henry Kissinger once aptly noted, they tend to be of the wool bleeding heart sort, the type that really belongs in the clergy. Look at that cable. Telling-not asking, but demanding-authorities of foreign nations they "need" to provide support journalists to uphold multicultural dogma? That's just inept. Kennan would be spinning over in his grave.

    (Richard Nixon's judgement was more succinct: "Impossible **gs.")

    And this is the really scary part: this was from the Bush Administration in 2006. Imagine what it was like 8 years later.

    Estonia did not survive Russian attempts to wipe it out as a nation…

    To this day Estonia and Latvia are nearly 25% ethnic Russian. They know first hand the problems of taking in “others” and in their case the “others” are not exactly from the other side of the world.

    With that in mind I want you to watch this clip of Rick Steves doing one of his travel shows about visiting Estonia. This guy makes interest travel shows for PBS that focus on how to travel by bringing the minimum amount of luggage and then trying to hit the places other tourists miss.

    However, he is a liberal and never, ever seems to show footage of the muslims in all those European capitals he visits. But it is not like he is unaware about immigration and the problems it causes. In his episode on Estonia, he points out the problems they are having today with their legacy Russian population. He describes them and attributes social ills to them that a liberal would never dream about doing to third worlders in the West. So it shows that these guys definitely know there are problems, they just know not to mention them when certain groups are involved.

    Here is the clip. Just listen to about 20 seconds of it and pay close attention to his 2 cents in his narration. Replace Russian with dang near any other ethnic name and he’d be banned for hate speech.

  56. istevefan says:
    @anonymous
    That was the Battle of Monongahela which clearly was not during the war that is referred to when one refers to the war he helped start.

    I agree he was not a chateau general. But I know my facts. For example, do you know the death rate for people who flew as many airplane miles as John Wayne flew in the Pacific Theater (USO-type tours, etc.?) I do, and I am disgusted every time I hear Wayne criticized for a lack of bravery.

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.

    Washington was not exactly hiding. In fact he once was under observation by a British sniper named Patrick Ferguson. Ferguson had developed the Ferguson Rifle and was going to shoot this American General, but decided not to because Washington’s back was turned and he thought it dishonorable. So he instead tried to capture him and Washington got away.

    However, as I wrote above Washington will always be remembered for laying down his sword and handing over power to the civilians upon conclusion of the Revolution, and for stepping down and walking away peacefully after only two terms as the President.

    If that is all he ever did in his life, it would put him as the top American in history.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Don't bother treating this guy seriously. He's an obvious autiste....
  57. @anonymous
    Decent people do not take oaths of secrecy. I am nowhere near autistic, by the way.

    Stop wasting people's time with your poor logic.

    Decent people do not take oaths of secrecy.

    Dunno. I’ve told my friends some of my heretical opinions on race, and they’ve promised to never reveal them….

    I am nowhere near autistic, by the way.

    Are you sure? You sound like someone on the spectrum…..

    Stop wasting people’s time with your poor logic.

    More a matter of morals than logic. For example, what about German officers who decided to break their oath to Hitler during WW2? Yes, I know, Godwin’s Law…..but the example seems quite germane, what with your autism and all….

    Oaths are not the highest form of morality, dear boy….

    • Replies: @anonymous
    If I were "on the spectrum" I would not have had a successful military career including two stints as a company grade officer on the staff of very successful generals, one of those stints being during wartime (and if you know anything about United States history you would know the name of both those generals, and what they accomplished, with the help of those of us who were proud to serve with them). I also was almost killed in the line of duty, with great loss of blood and with several broken bones - something that never happened to Washington.

    Please stop posting ad hominem nonsense, "pat" and "syon" , show more respect for your fellow commenters. I know it is hard for old people like you to break bad habits - I am old too - but try.

    And yes, John Wayne had more fun than the Marines on Iwo Jima. Everybody knows that.

    And I noticed that nobody has contested my basic insight that the world would be a better place if Washington were an honest Virginian rather than an oath-breaking "father of his country", as the people who like to say that sort of thing like to say. Reflect on that.

    Feel free to have the last word in this limited debate, if you want.
  58. @anonymous
    That was the Battle of Monongahela which clearly was not during the war that is referred to when one refers to the war he helped start.

    I agree he was not a chateau general. But I know my facts. For example, do you know the death rate for people who flew as many airplane miles as John Wayne flew in the Pacific Theater (USO-type tours, etc.?) I do, and I am disgusted every time I hear Wayne criticized for a lack of bravery.

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.

    Not sure how Washington suffering more would have helped the Revolutionary cause……

  59. @anonymous
    Actually I certainly do.

    Ad hominem is not a good way to waste time on the internet.

    Actually I certainly do.

    You were a general in charge of a volunteer army?

  60. @anonymous
    That was the Battle of Monongahela which clearly was not during the war that is referred to when one refers to the war he helped start.

    I agree he was not a chateau general. But I know my facts. For example, do you know the death rate for people who flew as many airplane miles as John Wayne flew in the Pacific Theater (USO-type tours, etc.?) I do, and I am disgusted every time I hear Wayne criticized for a lack of bravery.

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.

    For example, do you know the death rate for people who flew as many airplane miles as John Wayne flew in the Pacific Theater (USO-type tours, etc.?) I do, and I am disgusted every time I hear Wayne criticized for a lack of bravery.

    On the other hand, I’m sure that he had more fun than a marine on Iwo Jima…..

  61. @istevefan

    The fact is Washington had a comparatively fun time in the Revolutionary War. Real suffering fell on others, not him.
     
    Washington was not exactly hiding. In fact he once was under observation by a British sniper named Patrick Ferguson. Ferguson had developed the Ferguson Rifle and was going to shoot this American General, but decided not to because Washington's back was turned and he thought it dishonorable. So he instead tried to capture him and Washington got away.

    However, as I wrote above Washington will always be remembered for laying down his sword and handing over power to the civilians upon conclusion of the Revolution, and for stepping down and walking away peacefully after only two terms as the President.

    If that is all he ever did in his life, it would put him as the top American in history.

    Don’t bother treating this guy seriously. He’s an obvious autiste….

  62. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Decent people do not take oaths of secrecy.
     
    Dunno. I've told my friends some of my heretical opinions on race, and they've promised to never reveal them....

    I am nowhere near autistic, by the way.
     
    Are you sure? You sound like someone on the spectrum.....

    Stop wasting people’s time with your poor logic.
     
    More a matter of morals than logic. For example, what about German officers who decided to break their oath to Hitler during WW2? Yes, I know, Godwin's Law.....but the example seems quite germane, what with your autism and all....

    Oaths are not the highest form of morality, dear boy....

    If I were “on the spectrum” I would not have had a successful military career including two stints as a company grade officer on the staff of very successful generals, one of those stints being during wartime (and if you know anything about United States history you would know the name of both those generals, and what they accomplished, with the help of those of us who were proud to serve with them). I also was almost killed in the line of duty, with great loss of blood and with several broken bones – something that never happened to Washington.

    Please stop posting ad hominem nonsense, “pat” and “syon” , show more respect for your fellow commenters. I know it is hard for old people like you to break bad habits – I am old too – but try.

    And yes, John Wayne had more fun than the Marines on Iwo Jima. Everybody knows that.

    And I noticed that nobody has contested my basic insight that the world would be a better place if Washington were an honest Virginian rather than an oath-breaking “father of his country”, as the people who like to say that sort of thing like to say. Reflect on that.

    Feel free to have the last word in this limited debate, if you want.

  63. @istevefan
    This is not about France, but a couple of months ago the State Department solicited bids to run a media project in Hungary to educate people in democracy. Of course Hungary is a democracy already, which is why they are in the EU. But of course Hungary with its leader Orban is resisting the immivasion, and so I assume the deep state at State wants him removed.

    Here is the original Politico story. Politico is not a right-wing site.

    The Hungarian Foreign Ministry summoned the top American diplomat in Budapest, chargé d’affaires David Kostelancik, after the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL) announced on November 7 that it would provide up to $700,000 “for projects that increase citizens’ access to objective information about domestic and global issues in Hungary.”
     
    Note: The State Department has since taken down their webpage with the advert. Here is the original link which now gives an error.

    Unfortunately for the State Department, the Wayback Machine archives webpages. Here is that page advertising for US-Hungarian meddling from 26 Nov 2017.

    The very existence of a so-called “Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, & Labour” is antithetical to all three.

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