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7h7 hours ago

Just a year ago we wondered what will Progs focus on next. said World War T and he was right. But they won so quick. Now what?

They need something to distract people with. But what?

7h7 hours ago

Still curious what’s next for progs. I totally disagree it will be child sex. I think polyamory / group marriage.

That sounds about right: it should be something out of an old Heinlein sci-fi novel for maximum appeal to the growing Spectrum-American community.

But they won’t call it polygamy because that sounds too Mormon/Muslim. They’ll call it non-binary marriage equality or something:

How can you discriminate against human beings with too much love in their hearts for just one spouse?

Hmmhm … needs work …

They’ll focus not on some Fundamentalist Mormon but on, say, an poor African immigrant with two wives.

How can you try to break up a loving family with your border wall and hateful hate-filled rules limiting who can marry whom. It’s like anti-miscegenation laws.

Smith!

Unless …

What if it turns out that Mormons hate Trump so much that the state of Utah flips for Hillary this fall?

If that happens, all bets are off. By 2018 the smash Broadway musical could be Smith! about an American founding father, a poor black rapper from 19th Century Vermont who had to battle society’s bigotry that stood between him and his dream of having a few dozen wives.

Get Lin-Manuel Miranda’s agent on the phone! This black velvet painting by Tijuana artist Argo of black Joseph Smith has given me the perfect idea for Lin-Manuel’s next project.

 
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  1. I’m guessing World War P (pedophilia/pederasty), World War H (Hebephilia), or World War Z (Zoophilia) slash World War B (Bestiality).

    If it is going to be World War (Non-Binary Marriage Equality), then there’s a ready made group that’s right in their wheelhouse: [Omitted]

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @countenance

    A man will marry his Chia Pet with help from an activist justice of the peace; then, the Americans With Disabilities Act will fund the world's first trans-species genetic modification by Monsanto and Harvard Medical School, to allow them offspring. Wheeeee, doggies, the People!

    , @boogerbently
    @countenance

    "Still curious what’s next for progs. I totally disagree it will be child sex. I think polyamory / group marriage."

    1) Google bacha bazi- pedophilia, many ME countries practice it. Our soldiers were told to ignore it in Afghanistan because their allies in the Afghan army practice it. Now we're importing them here.

    2) I don't know why polygamy hasn't been pushed already, what with gay marriage blazing the trail.
    If the law doesn't say marriage is between a man and a woman, then it doesn't say it's between ONE man and ONE woman.

    What is the end goal ? (of the globalists/NWO crowd)
    How does pushing amorality help their agenda ?

    Don't nitpick "amorality", answer the strategic question, please.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @countenance

    The campaign has already started: See (or better just read about) the movie Ted II! Notice how this is nicely positioned as the advance attack on Normals that will allow further advances on any of a number of different fronts.

    I truly do feel sorry for homosexuals, lesbians, and people with other similar diseases. Such persons are disconnected from normal society on an existential level that is unbridgeable and uncorrectable. As a result, or perhaps just as an inevitable part of the syndromes that afflict them, these persons are far more prone to a wide variety of other mental and physical ailments. Their average expectation of life is much shorter than that of normal human beings. It is unfortunate that some choose to glamorize these sad conditions - for whatever reasons - rather than work to research their causes and perhaps someday eradicate their existence.

  2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_Young_(film)

    Mary Astor as (a) Mrs. Young

    Vincent Price as Joseph Smith Jr. (a rival to Young)

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @anony-mouse

    That was one of Price's first Hollywood roles.

    He ended his career doing mildew-remover commercials:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Gv4l6CGPY

    Seems he came full circle.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “The Billionaire Pedophile Who Could Bring Down Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton”

    “Trump’s supporters have long wondered whether he’d use billionaire sicko Jeffrey Epstein as ammo against the Clintons—until a lurid new lawsuit accused The Donald of raping one of Epstein’s girls himself.”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

    For Jeffrey Epstein and his famous friends, the Aughts were a simpler time, when the businessmen, academics, and celebrities who counted themselves among the playboy philanthropist’s inner circle could freely enjoy the fruits of his extreme wealth and connections.

    Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes. Socialites and distinguished scientists went to visit Epstein’s island in St. Thomas, and cavorted at epic dinner parties at his palatial townhouse—then the largest privately owned residence in New York, as he liked to brag. There, they picked at elaborate meals catered by celebrity chefs like Rocco DiSpirito, marvelled at Epstein’s opulent decor, and noted the pack of very, very young model-types with whom Epstein always seemed to surround himself.

    But a darker story was going on underneath the glamour. In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting sex from an underage girl and quietly paid settlements to scores of alleged victims who said he serially molested them. But the girls kept coming out of the woodwork—in 2014, another young woman filed a lawsuit claiming that Epstein used her as a sex slave for his powerful friends—and that she’d been at parties on his private island with former President Clinton.

    And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13.

    Trump has denied Jane Doe’s claims and his reps have said he barely knew Epstein—even though New York media in the ’90s regularly chronicled his comings-and-goings at Epstein’s Upper East Side palace, and even though Epstein had 14 private numbers for Trump and his family in his little black book. Meanwhile, Bill and Hillary Clinton have remained mum about their ties to the Palm Beach pedophile—despite evidence that shows Bill was one of the most famous and frequent passengers on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” and that Epstein donated money to the Clinton Foundation even after his conviction.

    For months, talking heads have wondered whether Trump would use Epstein and his girls as a weapon against Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Now, with the latest federal lawsuit against Trump himself, it seems the notorious financier has become a serious liability for both campaigns.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Steve,

    Why do you approve Anonymous' cr-p? These allegations against Trump are transparently false and obviously politically motivated and designed to neutralize any references Trump might make to Clinton's Epstein problems.


    the lawyer for Roberts and about 10 other Jane Does, said that after he served Trump with the subpoena in 2009, Trump immediately contacted him.

    "During the conversation, Mr. Trump was open and forthright... it was obvious to me that he was in no way involved in any untoward activity."
     
    It's obvious to anyone who looks at the women Trump has dated and married that he is attracted to women with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics. These political lawsuits reference 12 and 13 year old girls for maximum ick factor, but they would be more plausible if they were about well-developed 16 or 17 year olds, not girls.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Jack D, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Jack Cade
    @Anonymous

    This. After WW G I thought it would be the polyamorists, but I wasn't including the religious angle. The tribe has never been into polyamory. Many other paraphilias to be sure, but not that one. The one that has impacted them often enough is age of consent, as in your example of Epstein. So I'm placing my bets on WW Hebephilia. (and that sounds more pleasant than pederasty)

    , @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    At least the second time this off-topic Daily Least article has been posted in comments at iSteve.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Anonymous

    Looks like the Clintons are recycling the old Dominique Strauss-Kahn con. It suits the slime they inhabit. But Trump is a street fighter and far more savvy than Strauss-Kahn. I would not be surprised if this backfires.

    Replies: @EH

  4. The Who – The Dirty Jobs

    @1973 haha

  5. • Replies: @Whoever
    @Matthew Kelly


    Incest.
     
    Maybe so. They've got a pseudo-scientific term for it already: genetic sexual attraction, or GSA.
    So you can be an oppressed member of the GSA community. Or get grants to study structural discrimination against GSA couples. Or major in GSA studies.
    If it's not the next thing, it will be the next-next thing.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Anonymous
    @Matthew Kelly

    Some part of what is driving the WWT must be internet porn and the search for ever more forbidden fruit that will yield a better orgasm... for a while.

    I am honestly not sure how the various free porn search/libraries out there make money, but they must surely. Pornhub allows the combination of 2 categories. That is a feature not properly explored yet, though the limitation to two categories is insufficient.

    xnxx allows delving into all sorts of perversions. It seems like there is an explosion in the production of incest videos. So maybe that will be one of the next things in line for decriminalization or rights or something.

    Much like CGI has enabled the production of superhero movies, CGI has also enabled porn production that was hitherto difficult or impossible. That used to be what words were for, so that the imagination could fill in the blanks. Now there is CGI for that.

    This can probably coexist with the anti-immigration/brexit/anti-globalism and protectionism we are seeing now. Who knows what the shitlords are whacking off to.

    Replies: @guest, @guest

    , @Mike Zwick
    @Matthew Kelly

    You beat me to it!

    , @Hrw-500
    @Matthew Kelly

    That and/or pedophilia as mentionned in this 2014 article from Occidental Dissent. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2014/10/06/ny-times-pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime/
    (and check the comments archived on Internet Archive mainly the one posted by Logan Smith.

    Slightly off-topic, I spotted that article at http://www.mrctv.org/blog/lesbian-gender-non-conforming-couple-tries-force-son-have-queer-gender-relationship and I found this comment posted by a guy named Patrick Lofton and no need to guess what Rahmat will said.

  6. One of the two transgender Democrats named Misty to win primaries:

    “Plowright beat single dad and Iraq vet Donald Martinez for her shot at Lamborn. Plowright is an Army vet with a wife, Lisa, and a third domestic partner named Sebastian, according to the candidate’s campaign website.”

    A third domestic partner named Sebastian. I picture a small lesbian with slicked back hair and a pencil moustache drawn with an actual pencil.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Plowright beat single dad and Iraq vet Donald Martinez

    This Hispanic political tidal wave I've been hearing about for years just isn't picking up much momentum. For example, this poor bastard Martinez can't even beat a guy named Misty.

    The Latinos are being left behind by all the New Improved Minorities that keep getting invented.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Ghost of Bull Moose

  7. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    One of the two transgender Democrats named Misty to win primaries:

    "Plowright beat single dad and Iraq vet Donald Martinez for her shot at Lamborn. Plowright is an Army vet with a wife, Lisa, and a third domestic partner named Sebastian, according to the candidate’s campaign website."

    A third domestic partner named Sebastian. I picture a small lesbian with slicked back hair and a pencil moustache drawn with an actual pencil.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Plowright beat single dad and Iraq vet Donald Martinez

    This Hispanic political tidal wave I’ve been hearing about for years just isn’t picking up much momentum. For example, this poor bastard Martinez can’t even beat a guy named Misty.

    The Latinos are being left behind by all the New Improved Minorities that keep getting invented.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    The Latinos are being left behind by all the New Improved Minorities that keep getting invented.
     
    Hispanic Mestizos are just terminally mediocre.In every category. They're even bad at claiming the mantle of victimhood.

    Fortunately for them, they've got White billionaires watching their backs.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Steve Sailer

    And each one claims the margin of victory.

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That’s a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing."

    Interesting point. Christians often quote the bible. But, as you said, I've never heard a Mormon quote the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @gruff
    @Anonymous

    Credo quia absurdum

    Replies: @candid_observer

    , @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Joseph Smith was, I think, exactly what Revilo Oliver said he was: a small time grifter who struck into the Long Con like the proverbial mosquito hitting an artery in Gary Larson's "Far Side" cartoon.

    He had the good luck, from the historical point of view, to be killed off at just the right time.

    Brigham Young, however, was a much more formidable figure. If Saddam Hussein had had twenty more IQ points and a little better education, he would have been much like Young.

    Young was a nation-builder. He failed in establishing a sovereign nation, but he did build a nation within a nation. I've always thought it was unfortunate he didn't get somehow to (what was in better days known as ) Rhodesia, a more verdant land than Utah, and equally empty in the 1830s. He and his Mormons could have attracted, perhaps, many English, German, and Scandinavian peoples as well as perhaps siphoned off some of the better Boer stock, and by the supefecundity Mormons were famous for until recent times, packed it full of White farmers and workers. There were very few if any blacks in Rhodesia then, and the Mormons would have been neither as needful of importing black hired help nor as inclined to do so as the English were. Deseret-on-the-Zambezi would have been magnificent, probably rivalling Switzerland by now as a wealthy, productive White country.

    Even as it is, the Mormon Nation is pretty remarkable. It is many orders of magnitude more successful than Scientology. Whereas Scientology has nothing of real institutional value besides a few somewhat impressive buildings and the loyalty of a few movie stars: Mormonism has a thoroughly respectable university, dozens of legitimate scientists, and thousands, even tens of thousands of members thoroughly embedded in the structure of the United States government, at levels Israel can only fantasize about. All branches of the US military, including US Navy submariners, SEALs and aviators: the FBI (most famously) and NSA, CIA, DEA, every other law enforcement agency: the US House and Senate, and the legislatures of most states-the list is enormous. Mormons also hold high government positions in many other countries.

    Scientology has produced no serious institutions of learning nor any contribution to any science, art or technology whatever acknowledged by anyone but Scientologists. It has no scientists, no doctors, no military leaders (unless you count the farcical Sea Organization as a military entity). For all its bank accounts, nothing. It has lawyers, true, but then so does the mob and every major motorcycle club of the one percenter variety.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @Curle, @Neil Templeton

    , @Anonym
    @Anonymous

    Yes, I've known actual Mormons and yes, I never heard one of them quote from the book of Mormon.

    The Bible on the other hand... I recall reading someone - Stephen King? - remark about how good writing, (or dialogue?) was rich and resonant like the Bible.

    Replies: @Thea

    , @sansfoy
    @Anonymous

    I was raised Mormon. Mormons quote from the Book of Mormon all the time. 1 Nephi 3:7 is probably their most quoted scripture of all.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    , @Pat Gilligan
    @Anonymous


    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That’s a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.
     
    Joseph Smith claims that he directly translated, with the aid of magic spectacles, the hieroglyphics on the gold tablets found in his barn. We know from contemporary Hebrew scholarship that the King James Bible contains errors in translation. E.g., Joseph and his technicolor coat. Contemporary Hebrew scholars say the the KJV Bible translators were mistaken, and that the Hebrew word refers to the length of the coat sleeves, not color. Now here's the kicker, the Book of Mormon contains these very same mistakes found in the KJV Bibile.

    Replies: @Josh, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    , @Crawfurdmuir
    @Anonymous


    Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

     

    Actually, it's stranger than that. L. Ron Hubbard decided to invent his own religion after stumbling across the works of Aleister Crowley, through the rocket scientist Jack Parsons (co-founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory), who was a Crowley disciple.

    https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Rockets-Occult-World-Parsons/dp/0922915970/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467401242&sr=8-1&keywords=Sex+and+Rockets

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    , @anon
    @Anonymous


    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation.
     
    As a white person how do you feel about Israel's strict immigration policy?
  9. Woody Allen, Morgan Freeman, and Roman Polanski phoned in from the set of Bucket List Two, to say Jeffrey Epstein is pushing World War L. For Lolita. Plus, most imams approve.

    You don’t want to be Islamaphobic now do you?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Whiskey

    The real action now is between female adults (usually teachers) and teenage boys. There have been dozens of arrests and probably most are never caught - the boys don't usually mind (to say the least) and unless they accidentally spill the beans it never comes to light.

    Male teachers are usually restrained by the thought that if they are caught they will be doing major time (decades perhaps) but the women usually get off pretty lightly plus they are operating on tingles and not on with their brains anyway.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Whiskey, @Forbes

    , @TheJester
    @Whiskey

    What can you say? Mohammedans believe that anything Mohammed did was moral and commendable (the Hadiths). Indeed, they are God-inspired examples for living for all future believers ... and Mohammed, unlike Jesus, was not even tempted by the devil.

    From Wikipedia:

    "Aisha's age at the time she was married to Muhammad has been of interest since the earliest days of Islam, and references to her age by early historians are frequent. According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad with the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Marriage_to_Muhammad

    QED ... if you are a believer. Europe, beware, here they come!

  10. Hepp says:

    No, they’re not even close to finished with the gay and trans stuff.

    First, most states don’t even have anti-discrimination laws based on these characteristics. Courts will start mandating them if they can’t get a federal law soon.

    Then there’s shutting down Christian schools by taking away their accreditation. Basically every Christian institution will have to change or be buried.

    Tax exempt status could be in danger.

    I’m amazed by how the new concept of “gay rights” is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there’s still a lot more that they can do.

    A good article on what’s coming:

    http://theweek.com/articles/632613/dark-pessimism-american-christians

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Hepp

    true enough. I do wonder if polite society even knows about Christian schools and colleges. Do they have any idea how far away many churches are from what the reigning sexual orthodoxy is?

    Replies: @Hepp

    , @Bobzilla
    @Hepp


    I’m amazed by how the new concept of “gay rights” is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there’s still a lot more that they can do.
     
    I guess this is actually pretty easy to accomplish when you consider that most people (including Christians) spend most of their time attending Lucifer's Church, a.k.a. The Television. It also makes it all the much easier when the vast majority of the people have no comprehension of the history /instituions / freedoms you speak of. Most of the so-called Christians really aren't that upset about the gay agenda. Mark my word. In the not too distant future you will see almost all Churches tripping over themselves to show the world how tolerant and receptive they are of homosexuality. Most of the churches will even support homosexual marriage.

    Replies: @Bobzilla, @dfordoom

    , @This Is Our Home
    @Hepp

    People are also always gearing themselves up to take action against one of the 77 countries in the world where homosexuality is illegal. That is until they realise which countries. I have a map where they are marked out in red. Once they see it they go weirdly quiet and/or inarticulate. Hilarious to see the cogs actively whirring on the question of who is higher up the totem pole. 'But Russia' they seem to want to exclaim, but Russia isn't one of those countries, you ill-informed fool!

    , @Anonymous
    @Hepp

    Here's another "Christian Institution" biting the dust:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/1/christianmingle-loses-lawsuit-must-now-include-gay/

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  11. Everyone’s laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called “polyamory” will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it’s going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel ” compersion ” when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it’s going to get bad.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @Earl of Monahan

    What makes you think this will be something women don't like? What's bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?

    Replies: @syonredux, @L Woods

    , @advancedatheist
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.
     
    I agree with that. When a guy like Leo DiCaprio can load up his yacht with a few dozen women he has all to himself, that condemns a few dozen men to some lonely nights.

    Replies: @carol, @Alec Leamas, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    , @syonredux
    @Earl of Monahan


    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.
     
    I have a deep suspicion that polygyny* is simply incompatible with democracy. Of course, we live in a profoundly anti-democratic age (cf the enthusiasm for Alexander Hamilton), so that's no obstacle.



    *In operational terms, that's what polyamory means
    , @Warner
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males
     
    In fact, being 2016, what you're more likely to get is a megaslut taken care of by some beta orbiters, inseminated by the Alpha boyfriend who only shows up occasionally while an omega stays around to cuck out and do slave labor the betas can't even be bothered with. The woman will call it the many flavors of love.

    If you want polyamorous communities who are eager to talk to the media, this is who you get, and they have a relatively TV-friendly theme: 1. Love Wins. 2. Who am I to judge?

    Polygamous Mormons won't even be part of the conversation. Polyamory is all over the West Coast.

    Replies: @Lamb, @Yak-15, @Earl of Monahan, @guest

    , @rod1963
    @Earl of Monahan



    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it’s going to get bad
     
    .

    Statement of the decade. The elites have no idea and I mean no idea how much hate their policies have created among the lower classes.

    Then again being clueless goes with the job, they were dead wrong about Trump from day one to this day. Even their finest minds(which turned out to be little more than educated idiots) sputtered and bombed out giving some of the most idiotic analysis imaginable. Some merely flipped out under the strain of thinking and dropped all pretense of being human and showed their psychopathic side like the crowd at TNR(Kevin Williams, Will), Truab, Ryan, etc.

    This absolute inability to gauge the white public is going to cost them dearly along with their enablers among white urban professional classes who have helped screw the lower class whites for decades. The MSM and propaganda organs like the WSJ and NYT can run what they want. But the people they need to reach have already tuned them out and starting arming like crazy.

    But they don't see it and don't care.

    This shit with shoving open gays and freaks down the military's throat is going to go over like a lead balloon among the professionals who keep the system working. The implications of this could be disastrous for the elites. We won't know until it happens though.
    , @AndrewR
    @Earl of Monahan

    It would lower housing prices. More people/house without a real decline in housing stock means cheaper houses. Yes, the poly folks will tend to be able to outbid singles or couples but there won't be enough poly groups to really matter.

    , @John Mansfield
    @Earl of Monahan

    Faulkner wrote that when a man sets up his best friend with his sister, he is committing two abominations by proxy.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @Connecticut Famer
    @Earl of Monahan

    "The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it’s going to get bad."

    And not a question of "if", either; only "when" and in what form it'll take. History teaches this kind of nonsense can't go on like this without some equivalent of Thermidor setting in. Pope John Paul II was right in describing the current culture as a Culture of Death. Yep, it'll be bad all right.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Earl of Monahan

    The next "sexual revolution" will be men organizing to promote their interests. Dalrock I believe coined the phrase, "marriage 2.0" which means no-fault divorce with ample benefits only for women in the event of dissolution. Marriage 3.0 will have shared custody laws, ending alimony, paternity fraud, and no hassle pre-nups. A Hillary Presidency will radically accelerate this. She might end up doing for feminists what Bush did for the evangelicals.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Earl of Monahan

    Polyamory, you say?

    Here’s a Del Webb commercial for an “active adult community.” Actual script/copy: Good place for “blasting it down the fairway,” “sushi eaters,” and those who want to “master pickleball.” Just call it Viagra Village.

    , @guest
    @Earl of Monahan

    Is "compersion" like when you high-five a buddy for gettin' some? I think rather most cuckolds feel shame and humiliation. If you're the woman, you feel jealousy, of the woman enjoying your man, or pride, knowing you have a an enjoyable man.

    , @TheJester
    @Earl of Monahan

    Polyamory (many loves) is just another word for "swinging". It sounds better ... kind of like they have so much love for others that they have to spread it as widely as they can throughout the community with as many people as possible. Who can argue with that, as it were? We're hearing similar sentiments from the homosexual community as it seeks status as a socially legitimate and legally protected minority.

    As for cisgendered people in traditional, monogamous relationships? The diversity narrative makes clear that they are in need of intervention to cure their bigoted and hateful view of life.

  12. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    What makes you think this will be something women don’t like? What’s bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Fredrik


    What makes you think this will be something women don’t like? What’s bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?
     
    If guys like Sheldon Adelson get the right to have a few dozen wives, things will be very bad for middle class men....

    Replies: @5371, @iSteveFan, @RadicalCenter

    , @L Woods
    @Fredrik

    I'm sure you're trolling, but that's indeed the attitude that frames the issue. Women and high status males want it, so who are you to argue, loser? "Women are not objects" after all, and as we all know there's nothing that can't be justified by a good platitude.

  13. I have an unlikely candidate, because everyone despises nerds: World War I, for Incels (the involuntarily celibate).

    I suspect that male incels outnumber gays, though surveys of sexual behavior don’t capture the full extent of the phenomenon because of the methodological flaw where the questionnaires usually fail to distinguish between sex with escorts versus sex with girlfriends. The sexual reject who turns to escorts for sexual experience out of desperation loses his virginity in a literal sense, but his experience in no way compares with the man’s who has had voluntary sex with girlfriends. Yet the former tends to get lumped into the category of the sexually experienced, even if he has never had a sexual relationship.

    Of course this assumes that the escort doesn’t reject the incel as well, or at least doesn’t give him a bad experience. People who refer incels to prostitutes seem to assume that these women come from an alternate reality where they operate according to rules different from the ones guiding regular women. I find that implausible.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @advancedatheist

    The prostitute's getting paid, and there's an even chance she feels sorry for the guy.

    , @Mark2
    @advancedatheist

    "Incels" are the most legitimately downtrodden, miserable group in the developed world. They'll therefore receive zero sympathy ever from the left, which prefers to champion the "plight" of rappers and bourgeoise homosexuals.

    , @German_reader
    @advancedatheist

    Nah, "incels" will be seen as misogynist potential Eliot Rodgers-types...they won't get any sympathy.

  14. Turkey realizes that walls just don’t work.

    What does work is robotic machine-gun turrets.

    Smart tower construction begins on Turkey’s Syrian border

    The Turkish security authority has started constructing shooting gun towers that can warn and fire automatically

    An automated speaker from the tower will warn the element or person in three languages to leave the area immediately.

    An automated machine gun will start firing at the element if it does not comply.

    The Turkish company ASELSAN will provide the turrets.

    Weapon Systems

    ASELSAN Stabilized Gun Platforms: The ASELSAN Stabilized Gun Platforms, which can be mounted on either stationary or mobile platforms, are designed for purposes of coastal defense, border defense and defense of naval platforms against asymmetric threats.

    12.7 mm STAMP Remote Controlled Stabilized Machine Gun System

    STAMP is a remotely operated stabilized weapon station for small caliber guns.

    The infrared and daylight TV cameras of the system enable detection and recognition of targets that would not be possible with naked eye. The system is capable of ballistic calculation and automatically tracking the targets and enabling a high hit probability by accurate firings.

    Company demonstration video of product in action

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    The E. German border system included automatic guns, anti-personnel mines, etc. They went over to these because they found that the border guards were hesitant to shoot their fellow citizens. By modern standards they were crude, set off by trip wires instead of electronic sensors - we could be much more lethal now. The constraint on this stuff is morality and political will, not technology. It helps not to be a democracy.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    12.7mm rounds (.50 caliber) are big. Anyone hit by those is going to be a mess. In the eyes of the Turks, that's probably a feature and not a bug--no pesky wounded to care for or finish off.

  15. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    I agree with that. When a guy like Leo DiCaprio can load up his yacht with a few dozen women he has all to himself, that condemns a few dozen men to some lonely nights.

    • Replies: @carol
    @advancedatheist

    I think that among the poors, it will look more like alpha thugs with multiple "wives" working to support him in style. What's not to like?

    , @Alec Leamas
    @advancedatheist

    Leo DiCaprio's Alpha status is positional and conditional - it requires the continued maintenance of a developed civil society where pretending to be someone else in a film is highly valued.

    A future in which official, solemnized polygamy would not be widely practiced would not be such a society. Its contours more closely approximate past societies where polygamy was practiced - perhaps the Middle East of a few Centuries ago, albeit with modern technologies. As long as they haven't figured out how to totally suppress testosterone and libidos in most males, those societies would have to find a way to burn off lots of males through either or both internal and external conflicts. I'd imagine you'd have some synthesis of Russian style oligarchs and Middle Eastern warlords with "security" consisting of private paramilitaries.

    , @Anonymous
    @advancedatheist

    I think it's a second order effect. The kind of women on the yacht with DiCaprio are never going to go for ordinary guys, even run-of-the-mill alphas. They want the most confident, rich, famous alphas. The guys a step or two down from that will still be able to find girlfriends, but they will have to dig deeper into the female population to do it. The end result is that ordinary non-alpha shlubs have even worse pickings than before, and a larger number of ordinary shlubs will be made incel.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @advancedatheist

    Advanced, I don't know you but I doubt that you or most guys here would have a shot at the women that DiCaprio stocks on board his yacht. But if you are just looking for a hook up I suggest overweight girls. I had a married friend who only cheated with chunky girls. His quote..."Fat girls like to f**k too."

    Replies: @guest

  16. They’ll focus not on some Fundamentalist Mormon but on, say, an poor African immigrant with two wives.

    Insufficiently attractive to Feminists.The idea of one man with multiple wives…..bad optics. I think that they might go gaga for a woman with two husbands, though. Now, granted, you and I know that that kind of arrangement is rare, but we live in the age of the unicorn, not the zebra.

    So, some domineering Feminist with two beta-type husbands…..the face of polyamory.

  17. @Anonymous
    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That's a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @gruff, @Former Darfur, @Anonym, @sansfoy, @Pat Gilligan, @Crawfurdmuir, @anon

    “Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing.”

    Interesting point. Christians often quote the bible. But, as you said, I’ve never heard a Mormon quote the Book of Mormon.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Mr. Anon


    Interesting point. Christians often quote the bible. But, as you said, I’ve never heard a Mormon quote the Book of Mormon.
     
    Obviously because the wacky stuff in it was assembled too recently. Never trust a religion less than a few thousand years old. (I am not an atheist)
    The Mormons have silly scripture where via their faithful practices they can graduate to live on other planets?
  18. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    I have a deep suspicion that polygyny* is simply incompatible with democracy. Of course, we live in a profoundly anti-democratic age (cf the enthusiasm for Alexander Hamilton), so that’s no obstacle.

    *In operational terms, that’s what polyamory means

  19. I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I’m not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There’s already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied “the chance to vote on their future,” and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter’s realization that they don’t like democracy very much. It’s one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you’re fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we’ve got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It’s a cinch.

    Here’s a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we’ll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    • Agree: Mark2
    • Replies: @5371
    @Richard

    Why not votes for five year olds? If you're old enough to change your gender, you must be old enough for the franchise!

    , @Big Bill
    @Richard

    Brilliant analysis. Thread winner by acclamation.

    , @biz
    @Richard

    I agree this will be a thing, but interestingly the two times I can think of that the Left lowered the voting age it didn't work out for them.

    The first was lowering the voting age to 18 for the Nixon - McGovern election. Nixon still won 49 states. The other was the recent Scottish independence referendum, where for that vote only they lowered the age to 16. Some polling data showed that the 16-18 year olds were less for independence than the 18-21 set.

    , @SPMoore8
    @Richard

    The idea of lowering the voting age to 16 seems like an interesting win/win for SJW's. On the other hand, as the article points out, how can you lower the voting age to 16 when you just raised the age at which you can buy tobacco to 21? Driver's license at 16, OK, we got that. What about the age of sexual consent? The age to purchase and own firearms? The age where you can be tried as an adult? The age when you can buy alcohol? Drugs? This is just absurd enough that it might work.

    I will leave out the age when you can join the service because we already know nobody does that.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Richard

    Didn't a 1970-era movie, Wild in the Streets, feature a lowering of the voting age to 14? Personally, I'd like to see it raised to 25 or even 28, and coupled with literacy and property-ownership tests.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @IBC
    @Richard

    And we'll probably also see a renewed push to amend the Constitution to allow a foreign-born person to become President.

    , @Daniel H
    @Richard

    I disagree that it will help the left. 16-17 year old adolescents are highly impressionable and the ones who have the most impression on them are their alpha peers, who are downright troglodytic in their social view. Think back to your own youth. In my case from the 70s, despite all the long hair, denim, rock and roll, pill popping and pot smoking, despite all the indoctrination from the media and schools, we were all right wing thugs with no time or tolerance for fags, hippies or any other lefty. And the girls did whatever the boys expected them to do. I can imagine a mass movement of rightwing adolescent, given the right to vote, who will lash out at any schoolmarmish authority figures who try to control them. To the 16 year old vote, I say bring it on.

    , @Chief Seattle
    @Richard

    Wow, I think lowering the voting age is it. Like you said, it covers a lot of angles. It keeps the Democrats as the "progressive" party and the "youth" party. It ensures that voters fresh out of (or still in) public school indoctrination will be voting, adding a solid base for whatever feel-good scheme the Democrats propose. And while fighting it, it re-inforces the idea of Republicans as the old-man party of buzz-killers.

    But... it also sets the stage for legalized pedophilia. After all, eighteen is an arbitrary age that's used for both the age of consent and the age of suffrage. If sixteen year olds can vote, then they are clearly ready to set their own destiny - including sexually. For the rich and perverted, this opens their options and reduces their risk considerably. If the sixteen year old they invite to their parties is a registered voter - well who's to say they're taking advantage of anyone.

    , @Olorin
    @Richard

    Absolutely agree, and have already heard this in EU-based discussions of how to destroy Brexit and make sure it never happens again:

    1) Set up the EU as a federalist entity with absolute power over all its "member" countries (dissolved into kinda localized theme parks for different tourist and shoppingworthy Cultural Experiences TM).

    2) Extend the vote to people as young as 13-15.

    And here's the killer:

    3) Apportion the weight of each vote by age demographic, so that 13 to 18 years olds get 100% of a vote, and the percentage goes down with increasing age. The scheme I ran across had people over 60 getting something like 20% of a vote per person.

    So the children run things, and get to spend everything the adults ever earned. Not quite sure how this would work after about 20 years.

    Where did I hear recently that the average/mean age of white people in California is something like 56, while the mean age of Mexicans is around 15? Is that accurate?

    For the global elite and their local henchmen, voting within nationalist and local legal regimes has been a barrier to them implementing their wills. They used to use war to kill off the young. Now they're going the other way: producing and inviting in swarms of young to service the hive and the queen. This is, of course, matriarchy in a nutshell.

    Immivasion itself has been pumped explicitly as reengineering the generational structure of advanced civilized nations. Except that the laughable idea is an army of teenage Zika babies and jihadis and IQ-85 Africans will somehow take care of you when you're old. No, those inviting the Immivaders have a job in mind for them: voting, and from their cell phones.

    So, indeed: globalist-fomented demographic intergenerational warfare is a major upcoming war. For starters, we've been experiencing it ever since the 1960s. (((The ad and media industries))) figured this out 50 years ago and used it to create a phony consumerist "youth culture."

    Half a century later, extremely few people can see all that for what it was. E.g., many Baby Boomers still believe that Woodstock was something other than a canny understanding of age-structure/demographics that hit the jackpot by convincing them that fornicating in the mud was somehow revolutionary. Because it was on TV.

    All we need to do is look around and see how juvenile, egocentric, narcissistic, helpless, dependent, horny, awkward, and whiny are an increasingly large number of supposed adults.

    Look at population pyramids as further support for Richard's POV:

    http://populationpyramid.net/

  20. My guess is that the next frontier will be public nudity followed by public sex.

    First battles of the WWN are being fought as we speak. All they need now is an invention of a SJW-friendly identity and they’ll have it in the bag.

    • Replies: @blankmisgivings
    @inertial

    No - SJW's are relentlessly anti-sex and anti-hedonism. Most promiscuous gay men are not SJWs for example - while academic 'queer theorists' are most likely celibate or monogamous. More likely is the deification of the 'asexual' identity.

    Replies: @inertial

    , @Georg E
    @inertial

    Public nudity was tried in Germany back in the 70's but didn't really stick, and that in a nation with a lot fewer hangups about body image. Today's crop of American high school kids doesn't even want to be naked in front of each other in the gym locker room. To this type, nudity is just a way to not measure up to the equine standards of the ubiquitous porniverse, where 99% of men will always come up short.

    Replies: @inertial

  21. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males

    In fact, being 2016, what you’re more likely to get is a megaslut taken care of by some beta orbiters, inseminated by the Alpha boyfriend who only shows up occasionally while an omega stays around to cuck out and do slave labor the betas can’t even be bothered with. The woman will call it the many flavors of love.

    If you want polyamorous communities who are eager to talk to the media, this is who you get, and they have a relatively TV-friendly theme: 1. Love Wins. 2. Who am I to judge?

    Polygamous Mormons won’t even be part of the conversation. Polyamory is all over the West Coast.

    • Replies: @Lamb
    @Warner

    My guess is that this is actually quite rare.

    Have you ever seen this happen in real life (and not in porn / literature)? Humans are pretty smart. Wouldn't the beta orbiter realize pretty quickly that he's being taken advantage of?

    Replies: @Warner, @Forbes, @guest

    , @Yak-15
    @Warner

    MOAR red pill

    , @Earl of Monahan
    @Warner

    I think there will be some of that, and I think beta orbiters will play a role in these arrangements. But most women prefer to share an alpha than have a beta to themselves, which is why the arrangement I describe will be the more common one.

    Replies: @Warner

    , @guest
    @Warner

    That alpha male boyfriend will have more than one slut to inseminate, however. It occurs to me, pick-up artists, game theorists, or whatever you call them, are always mocking traditional moralists for being as foolish as feminists for thinking contemporary sexual politics hurt women. But it's clear to me that they're thinking of what alphas do to sluts and normal women alike, not what sluts do to betas or all women do to sub-betas.

    Women are far, far freer to be abused by sexually successful males than before (non-violently, I mean). Feminists and traditionalists are right about that. They're wronger about the whole picture, you could say, in that men lost much more than women lost.

  22. @Steve Sailer
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Plowright beat single dad and Iraq vet Donald Martinez

    This Hispanic political tidal wave I've been hearing about for years just isn't picking up much momentum. For example, this poor bastard Martinez can't even beat a guy named Misty.

    The Latinos are being left behind by all the New Improved Minorities that keep getting invented.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The Latinos are being left behind by all the New Improved Minorities that keep getting invented.

    Hispanic Mestizos are just terminally mediocre.In every category. They’re even bad at claiming the mantle of victimhood.

    Fortunately for them, they’ve got White billionaires watching their backs.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @syonredux

    As I noted at the time, that was the overwhelming common thread of all the victims of the Orlando shooter. They tried doing the usual tributes but every one of them was a major league mediocrity with no claim to distinction.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    "Fortunately for them, they’ve got White billionaires watching their backs."

    As do many of the other fortunate victim groups.

  23. The way to defeat plural marriage is raise more awareness of it being used by Muslims to bring multiple wives, often children or close relatives, in from the home country.

    Right now some law professors are pushing the issue by defending fundamentalist Mormons.

    • Replies: @biz
    @Lot


    The way to defeat plural marriage is raise more awareness of it being used by Muslims to bring multiple wives, often children or close relatives, in from the home country.
     
    This is not necessarily how we can defeat it. This is (one of) the ways in which it will be promoted. How can we 'discriminate' against this exotic brown people culture in which men have multiple wives? In fact, Muslims may try to use 'freedom of religion' on this one.

    The left will try to promote polygamy as protecting minority and exotic brown people's rights, along with shoving out front some very photogenic white polyamorous families.
    , @tbraton
    @Lot

    I recall hearing a segment on NPR's "All Things Considered" two or three years ago which discussed the actual practice of polygamy going on in big U.S. cities right now. I seem to recall the practice involved not Muslim men bringing their multiple wives to the U.S. but single immigrant men (I can't recall any mention of Muslim, but it was implied) acquiring, informally, multiple wives and siring children by those multiple wives. So the practice is going on, whether legalized or not. It's a practice subsidized by the state with its support of children by (legally) single moms.

  24. So, no words can say how nutty and sane you sound to me tonight, you are truly, a nut bag of energy!

    I never even heard the word ‘Polyamory’ before, until 4-5 years ago when a very close friend’s husband admitted that it was a good thing. And, weirdly, he was a brilliant man with unquestioned abilities in math and reasoning, skills with engines, and a crack computer coder. So yeah, I do think all the current elite female college U grads who can’t find a husband, will totally “lean in” to a basement-dwelling, high IQ guy, to get a baby.

    The whole, freezing eggs things is kinda’ icky to me…but, duh, I had my sons in my mid 30’s with an actual male who was available, so I should be more charitable. It is a fact of life that there will be even more women in top positions than in my time, so, it is natural that there are not enough men who are still single , at 30-40, while the ladder climbing is happening by females.

    Ok, sort of OT, BUT: this is what bugs me about neo-liberals and Cultural Marxist Fascists: most immigrant groups despise women working in the Public Sphere…or just won’t allow it. So, Polyamory has no weight since it means that the heads of MENA men will explode since women can decide who is the most worthy, no goat herders or losers for their spawn!.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Lagertha

    But when women do pick losers. That's what female empowerment amounts to. That's also why our contemporary sexual politics are a danger to civilization.

  25. @Matthew Kelly
    Incest.

    http://awdude.com/2014/07/repost-next-frontier-perversion-normalization/

    Replies: @Whoever, @Anonymous, @Mike Zwick, @Hrw-500

    Incest.

    Maybe so. They’ve got a pseudo-scientific term for it already: genetic sexual attraction, or GSA.
    So you can be an oppressed member of the GSA community. Or get grants to study structural discrimination against GSA couples. Or major in GSA studies.
    If it’s not the next thing, it will be the next-next thing.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Whoever

    Incest Studies , unlike other phony field's, has the potential to be interesting. Great literature is full of it. But no, they'll pseudo-science it up. Just like they've done with literature in general, come to think of it.

  26. @Anonymous
    "The Billionaire Pedophile Who Could Bring Down Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton"

    "Trump’s supporters have long wondered whether he’d use billionaire sicko Jeffrey Epstein as ammo against the Clintons—until a lurid new lawsuit accused The Donald of raping one of Epstein’s girls himself."

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

    For Jeffrey Epstein and his famous friends, the Aughts were a simpler time, when the businessmen, academics, and celebrities who counted themselves among the playboy philanthropist’s inner circle could freely enjoy the fruits of his extreme wealth and connections.

    Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes. Socialites and distinguished scientists went to visit Epstein’s island in St. Thomas, and cavorted at epic dinner parties at his palatial townhouse—then the largest privately owned residence in New York, as he liked to brag. There, they picked at elaborate meals catered by celebrity chefs like Rocco DiSpirito, marvelled at Epstein’s opulent decor, and noted the pack of very, very young model-types with whom Epstein always seemed to surround himself.

    But a darker story was going on underneath the glamour. In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting sex from an underage girl and quietly paid settlements to scores of alleged victims who said he serially molested them. But the girls kept coming out of the woodwork—in 2014, another young woman filed a lawsuit claiming that Epstein used her as a sex slave for his powerful friends—and that she’d been at parties on his private island with former President Clinton.

    And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13.

    Trump has denied Jane Doe’s claims and his reps have said he barely knew Epstein—even though New York media in the ’90s regularly chronicled his comings-and-goings at Epstein’s Upper East Side palace, and even though Epstein had 14 private numbers for Trump and his family in his little black book. Meanwhile, Bill and Hillary Clinton have remained mum about their ties to the Palm Beach pedophile—despite evidence that shows Bill was one of the most famous and frequent passengers on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” and that Epstein donated money to the Clinton Foundation even after his conviction.

    For months, talking heads have wondered whether Trump would use Epstein and his girls as a weapon against Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Now, with the latest federal lawsuit against Trump himself, it seems the notorious financier has become a serious liability for both campaigns.
     

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Cade, @Forbes, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Steve,

    Why do you approve Anonymous’ cr-p? These allegations against Trump are transparently false and obviously politically motivated and designed to neutralize any references Trump might make to Clinton’s Epstein problems.

    the lawyer for Roberts and about 10 other Jane Does, said that after he served Trump with the subpoena in 2009, Trump immediately contacted him.

    “During the conversation, Mr. Trump was open and forthright… it was obvious to me that he was in no way involved in any untoward activity.”

    It’s obvious to anyone who looks at the women Trump has dated and married that he is attracted to women with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics. These political lawsuits reference 12 and 13 year old girls for maximum ick factor, but they would be more plausible if they were about well-developed 16 or 17 year olds, not girls.

    • Agree: tbraton
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Chrisnonymous


    exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics
     
    This isn't a good euphemism; it's a GREAT one.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonym

    , @Jack D
    @Chrisnonymous

    I agree that the lawsuits are probably BS as they pertain to Trump (and for that matter Bill) but I didn't see any reference to 12 year olds, only 13. A girl who is 13 going on 14 might well have developed 2ndary sex characteristics. Women mature earlier than men and sometimes it can be hard to guess their age without a birth certificate, especially if the girl is dressed and has hair and makeup done in the style of someone older and she is mixed in a group with older women - we rely a lot on cues like that (which is also the reason why there have been cases where people much older have masqueraded as teenagers - undercover journalists attending high school, etc.). There have been a number of case of statutory rape where the man claimed that he was not aware that the girl was underage. Some of them may even be true. Donald may not be interest in jailbait, but like most men, he has shown a clear preference for women who are much younger than he is, especially his later trophy wives. Marla was 17 years younger than he was when he married her, Melanoma was 24 years younger.

    Replies: @fish

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Chrisnonymous

    "he is attracted to women with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics"

    Secondary? Seriously?

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  27. @Anonymous
    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That's a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @gruff, @Former Darfur, @Anonym, @sansfoy, @Pat Gilligan, @Crawfurdmuir, @anon

    Credo quia absurdum

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @gruff

    Which also perfectly describes the intensity and focus of leftist identity politics.

    The volume of their howls of outrage is in direct proportion to the obviousness of the opinion to which they object.

    Replies: @gruff

  28. I hope Trump brings a court case against the girl for slander.

  29. @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Steve,

    Why do you approve Anonymous' cr-p? These allegations against Trump are transparently false and obviously politically motivated and designed to neutralize any references Trump might make to Clinton's Epstein problems.


    the lawyer for Roberts and about 10 other Jane Does, said that after he served Trump with the subpoena in 2009, Trump immediately contacted him.

    "During the conversation, Mr. Trump was open and forthright... it was obvious to me that he was in no way involved in any untoward activity."
     
    It's obvious to anyone who looks at the women Trump has dated and married that he is attracted to women with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics. These political lawsuits reference 12 and 13 year old girls for maximum ick factor, but they would be more plausible if they were about well-developed 16 or 17 year olds, not girls.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Jack D, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics

    This isn’t a good euphemism; it’s a GREAT one.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    "That girl has a great pair of exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics on her."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonym
    @ScarletNumber

    Like Trump, I'll take the T, the A, but you can keep the hirsutism.

  30. @Fredrik
    @Earl of Monahan

    What makes you think this will be something women don't like? What's bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?

    Replies: @syonredux, @L Woods

    What makes you think this will be something women don’t like? What’s bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?

    If guys like Sheldon Adelson get the right to have a few dozen wives, things will be very bad for middle class men….

    • Replies: @5371
    @syonredux

    The cuckoos that grow up in Sheldon's nests, however, will probably make the Jewish gene pool more healthy.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @iSteveFan
    @syonredux

    Speaking of Adelson when is he going to stat to contribute the $100 million he supposedly pledged to help get Trump elected?

    Replies: @Lot

    , @RadicalCenter
    @syonredux

    They will simply kill the rich guys hogging all the women. No number of security guards and fences etc. will save those guys in such a situation.

  31. The end goal is socially-tolerated pedarasty, no question about it. The behavior of the elites in Ancient Rome and modern Afghanistan is exactly what our own elites have been aiming at for decades. The next degradation will be a strategic move towards that, but will be meaningless unto iteself–so probably a mix of perversities will be advocated with whatever works best with getting the full-bore propaganda push.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @CK
    @onetwothree

    First generation American Pashtun.
    That would be Omar Mir Seddique Mateen
    I can't be the only one to notice that his father is Pashtun, with all the cultural "diversity" that comes with it. Bacha bāzī is easy to have in Pashtun areas in Afghanistan; not so easy to do openly in USA.

    , @AndrewR
    @onetwothree

    Why do people keep saying this? A cursory look at the SJWsphere would strongly suggest otherwise. There is no shortage of SJWs to call for your castration if you so much as display any sort of attraction for someone who has yet to reach their 18th birthday.

    I mean I don't doubt there are many on the left who love the young ones, but they are far from a hegemonic group.

    Replies: @Flinders Petrie, @anonymous coward, @L Woods

  32. After Gay Marriage and Now Transgender Marines, What’s Next?

    My money’s on the 2016 Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade featuring a human centipede starring Radio City Music Hall’s world famous Rockettes!

  33. I’m leaning towards social acceptance of female unfaithfullness. There have been a few commercials featuring a male/female couple that have male interloper in an intimate moment or place.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Lugash

    Yeah, see my comment as well. Female sluttiness is now "normalized" before she marries. I think the idea that women might become "occasionally" escort to pay a few bills will go from the lurid tales of late-night Skinemax to something every girl's sluttiest friend does "and it's just normal, don't judge her!"

    Replies: @L Woods, @Hippolytus

    , @Mr bob
    @Lugash

    I also feel this will be the next big push, party because it's already happening although it will be a slow to pick up speed, but when it does it will he unstoppable. Multiple wives or whatever isn't a huge leap from gay or trans nonsense, but cheating is. However, the stage is set perfectly for forced acceptance of unfaithfulness on the part of female. Bear in mind that American males are always wrong, while hysterical liberal women, half literate with garbage educations literally believe themselves to be flawless, perfectly moral geniuses. These women are perpetually one wrong look or word away from a huge, incoherent, bratty outburst of the SJW type. They are also married to or dating beta males who have no control over anything and grovel and whimper to their partner's every stupid, childish tantrum. So yes, acceptance of female infidelity is coming, and it will only be acceptable for females. The culture controllers will tell us that it is how they take power from the patriarchy or some other nonsense. Eventually men who still have their testicles will just give up or move to another country. I'm a 25 year old male electrical engineer, in great shape and decently attractive, and I've been dating women in my social strata for awhile. If you're a middle age guy whose been out of it for a while, or live in a very small town, trust me, you have no idea how bad it is. Young, professional-ish women (accountants, med students, whatever) are so completely clueless, brainwashed, controlled, and sensitive that it is utterly mind blowing.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lugash

    And (((boom))) goes the dynamite!!!

    “Relationship therapist” Esther Perel in the Atlantic, right on cue.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lugash

    Old lesbian Jon Bon Jovi currently cast in Grey New York’s DirecTV ads: Hilarious cucking, and whites who would be better off not spawning.

    Here is Grey’s former creative director serenading his boss. Bunch of freaks.

    Bonus: pedophilic “Adobe Stock” upper banner ad currently in rotation on Adweek’s site. (It’s a suggestively cropped redo of Caravaggio’s Saint Matthew and the Angel.) Everything’s coming up iSteve!

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @Lugash
    @Lugash

    Yep, that's the most blatant one. Thanks for posting the one about not having kids. No-babies is one of the other big pushes against White America.

  34. Maybe a hip hop Broadway musical based on the life of Barack Obama Sr?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @wren

    Barack Obama Sr. doesn't look at all like Barack Obama Jr. It's extremely easy to believe that he's not Jr.'s real father.

  35. Lowering the age of consent to 14, for males.
    Lowering the voting age to 16.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a higher age of consent for females (because patriarchy, you know). Never mind that females mature faster, and that male-male pederasty is infinitely more traumatic for the male juvenile than being married off at 16 to an older established man in lieu of being passed around by the football team and Greek Row through her prime years would be for a young woman. We can see already in the "Sweden" model, by which selling sex is legal but buying it is not, the sort of inane legal double standards that feminist victimology can justify.

  36. Nah, bigamy isn’t going to be the next big thing. These freak fads are driven by middle aged women with not enough to do, and one thing middle aged women with not enough to do will always find revolting is the idea of sharing a man’s resources with another women, particularly a younger woman.

    I figure they’re going to double-down on the phony rape crisis. Removing due process for men accused of sexual assault is going to become a National Imperative resisted only by racists, misogynists, taxpayers, and other class enemies.

    • Replies: @Jeff
    @tsotha

    So you think that women really control the narrative and set the policy?

    I'll just have to disagree.

  37. I’ll say it will be a woman who is “married” to both man and woman.

  38. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it’s going to get bad

    .

    Statement of the decade. The elites have no idea and I mean no idea how much hate their policies have created among the lower classes.

    Then again being clueless goes with the job, they were dead wrong about Trump from day one to this day. Even their finest minds(which turned out to be little more than educated idiots) sputtered and bombed out giving some of the most idiotic analysis imaginable. Some merely flipped out under the strain of thinking and dropped all pretense of being human and showed their psychopathic side like the crowd at TNR(Kevin Williams, Will), Truab, Ryan, etc.

    This absolute inability to gauge the white public is going to cost them dearly along with their enablers among white urban professional classes who have helped screw the lower class whites for decades. The MSM and propaganda organs like the WSJ and NYT can run what they want. But the people they need to reach have already tuned them out and starting arming like crazy.

    But they don’t see it and don’t care.

    This shit with shoving open gays and freaks down the military’s throat is going to go over like a lead balloon among the professionals who keep the system working. The implications of this could be disastrous for the elites. We won’t know until it happens though.

  39. I would look at declining Rome, declining Ottoman empire, and others for clues. The one difference is that the Left has sought to take the select decadent behavior of the few rich/powerful of these times and enshrine them into law as rights for all.

    I would say the next step is the decriminalization and destigmatization of prostitution (or, conversely, shifting law enforcement to arresting johns and letting the prostitutes off the hook, so to speak). Brothels tended to flourish in those times, and we’ve already seen the normalization of porn march ever forward. I believe the Roman Emperor Augustus’s own daughter had a competition with a famous prostitute over who could please the most men.

    These kinds of behaviors all seem to occur in history when there are more men than women in a given society, allowing women, as the rarer resource during those times, to call the shots/have their cake and eat it too.

    In the Old West, for example, the few number of single women versus men meant that women could make a really good career out of being a prostitute and then find some schlub to marry her when she was past her prime. The aggressive nature of prostitutes in that time is fascinating to look at—they bought ads in local papers proudly advertising themselves as “the best cuts of meat around.”

    It was only when more women started moving out to the now-tamed Western towns that prostitution became criminalized and stigmatized. A guy didn’t have to settle for some used up hooker, he could get a girl who hadn’t worked in a saloon, and he didn’t have to pay for her.

    And now, since there was now more competition for good men, the women in a town couldn’t expect to just whore themselves out for a huge profit and still get married, and other, married women wanted to shut down brothels because they were avenues for their men to cheat on them and leave them—and thus, after shutting them down, secure more of the men’s loyalty through restriction of sexual options.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @whorefinder

    The elites have already "eliminated" prostitution by calling the practice "sex work" that is performed by "sex workers." Nothing to be ashamed of really, just a new profession for women or gay men.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @whorefinder

    Whorefindre, Appropriate name for your comment. I had a book about the "Dance Hall Ladies" of the Old West, fascinating reading. Women who controlled their destiny while being, well, whores. Men searching desperately for a gold mine, and women sitting on theirs. I think my wife threw the book out, but I can look at my collection in the attic if you are interested in the book.

    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @whorefinder


    I believe the Roman Emperor Augustus’s own daughter had a competition with a famous prostitute over who could please the most men.
     
    That was actually Messalina, the wife of Claudius, the 4th Emperor of Rome.
  40. @Lugash
    I'm leaning towards social acceptance of female unfaithfullness. There have been a few commercials featuring a male/female couple that have male interloper in an intimate moment or place.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Mr bob, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lugash

    Yeah, see my comment as well. Female sluttiness is now “normalized” before she marries. I think the idea that women might become “occasionally” escort to pay a few bills will go from the lurid tales of late-night Skinemax to something every girl’s sluttiest friend does “and it’s just normal, don’t judge her!”

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @whorefinder

    Although, the male client will of course be judged with utmost harshness.

    , @Hippolytus
    @whorefinder

    >I think the idea that women might become “occasionally” escort to pay a few bills will go from the lurid tales of late-night Skinemax to something every girl’s sluttiest friend does “and it’s just normal, don’t judge her!”

    In other words former Nintendo of America spokeswoman/polyamorist/escort Alison Rapp. She even managed to turn her husband into a gay escort. She's worth reading up on at places like ED or kiwifarms because her behavior and outright persona is on the cutting edge of the stuff you guys talk about.

  41. @Warner
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males
     
    In fact, being 2016, what you're more likely to get is a megaslut taken care of by some beta orbiters, inseminated by the Alpha boyfriend who only shows up occasionally while an omega stays around to cuck out and do slave labor the betas can't even be bothered with. The woman will call it the many flavors of love.

    If you want polyamorous communities who are eager to talk to the media, this is who you get, and they have a relatively TV-friendly theme: 1. Love Wins. 2. Who am I to judge?

    Polygamous Mormons won't even be part of the conversation. Polyamory is all over the West Coast.

    Replies: @Lamb, @Yak-15, @Earl of Monahan, @guest

    My guess is that this is actually quite rare.

    Have you ever seen this happen in real life (and not in porn / literature)? Humans are pretty smart. Wouldn’t the beta orbiter realize pretty quickly that he’s being taken advantage of?

    • Replies: @Warner
    @Lamb

    Not rare at all. I learned this researching a documentary on polyamory. It's mostly female-led these days. It's often New-Age-y people believing in a kind of magical goddess power, untamable woman-spirit that men must praise. These women can rule over a bunch of losers and even sleep with them only rarely because the men are such losers. For them, having their penises touched 5 times a year is the opposite of being taken advantage of.

    , @Forbes
    @Lamb

    There's a reason they're referred to as a 'beta orbiter'--they put up with being taken advantage of. I've seen it often in NYC, where you'll meet a couple out socializing--the guy describes the girl as his best friend, meanwhile the girl is dating/sleeping with someone else. The guy earnestly hopes the girl will change her mind and date him--she doesn't want to change the existing terms of their relationship. Women like this use men as meal tickets--the guys are paying for the privilege of the woman's company. Pathetic.

    , @guest
    @Lamb

    It's quite common, actually. Think about how much money men spend at strip clubs and on whores, for instance, when they could get it for free. Ah, but they can't get it for free. Or at least not consistently. "Sugardaddies" operate according to the same mindset. I leave it to you to decide which is more pathetic.

  42. For your viewing pleasure, “history of Japan in 9 minutes” compares Tokugawa Ieyasu to Donald Trump at 3:57…

  43. CK says:
    @onetwothree
    The end goal is socially-tolerated pedarasty, no question about it. The behavior of the elites in Ancient Rome and modern Afghanistan is exactly what our own elites have been aiming at for decades. The next degradation will be a strategic move towards that, but will be meaningless unto iteself--so probably a mix of perversities will be advocated with whatever works best with getting the full-bore propaganda push.

    Replies: @CK, @AndrewR

    First generation American Pashtun.
    That would be Omar Mir Seddique Mateen
    I can’t be the only one to notice that his father is Pashtun, with all the cultural “diversity” that comes with it. Bacha bāzī is easy to have in Pashtun areas in Afghanistan; not so easy to do openly in USA.

  44. @syonredux
    @Fredrik


    What makes you think this will be something women don’t like? What’s bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?
     
    If guys like Sheldon Adelson get the right to have a few dozen wives, things will be very bad for middle class men....

    Replies: @5371, @iSteveFan, @RadicalCenter

    The cuckoos that grow up in Sheldon’s nests, however, will probably make the Jewish gene pool more healthy.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @5371


    The cuckoos that grow up in Sheldon’s nests, however, will probably make the Jewish gene pool more healthy.
     
    I get the feeling that Sheldon is the kind of guy who would demand gene-typing on any alleged progeny produced by his harem.
  45. This is a cynical thought that might be giving them too much credit, but I wonder if the Left isn’t keeping the Muzzies around purely because of their usefulness as a vector for normalizing sexual deviancy: Polyamory, bestiality, incest and kiddie sex all have much wider acceptance in the Muslim world. The loonier Leftists palpably desire all of these things in the West, yet they can’t really push for them directly.

    Sure, they got gays and lesbians in the door by appealing to “compassion.” They *just barely* managed to do the same thing with trannies. But once you’re talking about doinking kids and goats and letting rich men run harems, it’s pretty difficult to hide the ulterior motives. “Oppressed” illiterate third world peasants are a perfect stalking horse.

    • Replies: @biz
    @Mr. Blank

    It hasn't been intentional, but yes, the "rights" of Muslims to "practice their religion" and "maintain their culture" will be a huge push when the left tries to remove the legal and cultural barriers to polygamy.

  46. How about electing Sarah Schulman as the FIRST WOMAN President? She is White, Jewish, an academic, author of 17 books, peace activist, and – LESBIAN. That makes her a far better choice than both Donald Trump, and Hillary Clinton, who was endorsed the other day by French White Jewish president Hollande?

    Schulman in her latest book, ‘Israel/Palestine and the Queer International’ claims that gay rights movement is mainly funded by Israel and the Jewish multi-billionaire George Soro.

    Behind all her anti-Zionist exterior, Schulman shows her real Zionist agenda in ‘‘Israel/Palestine and the Queer International’; Palestinians should stop military resistance against Israel and adopt a Gandhi-style non-violent protests – and support the ‘lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT)‘ groups. She believes this will enhance Hamas image like Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah among the western powers…..

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/08/09/schulman-gay-rights-movement-is-jewish/

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Rehmat

    We can bet that Rehmat falls on the side of maintaining prohibition of inter-species marriage, because nothing inflames desire like forbidden goats. Sorry, Mr. Sailer, but I know you won't print this, and he's so obnoxious. Islam forbids everything and he can post on the largely-free Internets because it's not controlled by his head-down, ass-up, magic carpet-ride religion.

    , @Jack D
    @Rehmat

    Israel pushes homosexual agenda but Arafat is the one who died of AIDS after sleeping with a few too many rent boys. Funny how that works.

    Only an Arab could confuse Ghandi style non-violence with acquiescence to the enemy. You might have noticed that Ghandi's tactics worked and he got his own country but after 70+ years of "military resistance" (throw rocks at people with nuclear weapons) the Palestinians don't have nothin' to show for it.

    Replies: @Anonym

  47. @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    Why not votes for five year olds? If you’re old enough to change your gender, you must be old enough for the franchise!

  48. Is polygamy controversial? Prosecutions are for welfare fraud not polygamy. There are issues like healthcare and inheritance that need to be worked out. I have not seen any analysis of lost taxes and increased benefits cost caused by gay marriage.

    I think a financial crisis caused by public pension collapses in multople states will spoil the fun. Everything from the wars to trans thing reeks of too much wealth sloshing around,

    In other news

    Merkel’s open door policy has brought ‘chaos’ to Europe, claims George Soros as German leader is blamed for Brexit over her failure to deal with migrant crisis

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3666511/Merkel-s-open-door-policy-caused-Britain-leave-EU-German-leader-blamed-Brexit-failure-deal-migrant-crisis-open-arms-immigration-policy.html#ixzz4D8vZYI4A

    Puerto Rican farmworkers fired for being less productive than Mexicans, they claim
    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/06/27/puerto-rican-farmworkers-say-were-fired-for-not-being-as-productive-as-mexicans/

  49. I feel microaggressed when others decide which shower I have to use.

  50. @Anonymous
    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That's a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @gruff, @Former Darfur, @Anonym, @sansfoy, @Pat Gilligan, @Crawfurdmuir, @anon

    Joseph Smith was, I think, exactly what Revilo Oliver said he was: a small time grifter who struck into the Long Con like the proverbial mosquito hitting an artery in Gary Larson’s “Far Side” cartoon.

    He had the good luck, from the historical point of view, to be killed off at just the right time.

    Brigham Young, however, was a much more formidable figure. If Saddam Hussein had had twenty more IQ points and a little better education, he would have been much like Young.

    Young was a nation-builder. He failed in establishing a sovereign nation, but he did build a nation within a nation. I’ve always thought it was unfortunate he didn’t get somehow to (what was in better days known as ) Rhodesia, a more verdant land than Utah, and equally empty in the 1830s. He and his Mormons could have attracted, perhaps, many English, German, and Scandinavian peoples as well as perhaps siphoned off some of the better Boer stock, and by the supefecundity Mormons were famous for until recent times, packed it full of White farmers and workers. There were very few if any blacks in Rhodesia then, and the Mormons would have been neither as needful of importing black hired help nor as inclined to do so as the English were. Deseret-on-the-Zambezi would have been magnificent, probably rivalling Switzerland by now as a wealthy, productive White country.

    Even as it is, the Mormon Nation is pretty remarkable. It is many orders of magnitude more successful than Scientology. Whereas Scientology has nothing of real institutional value besides a few somewhat impressive buildings and the loyalty of a few movie stars: Mormonism has a thoroughly respectable university, dozens of legitimate scientists, and thousands, even tens of thousands of members thoroughly embedded in the structure of the United States government, at levels Israel can only fantasize about. All branches of the US military, including US Navy submariners, SEALs and aviators: the FBI (most famously) and NSA, CIA, DEA, every other law enforcement agency: the US House and Senate, and the legislatures of most states-the list is enormous. Mormons also hold high government positions in many other countries.

    Scientology has produced no serious institutions of learning nor any contribution to any science, art or technology whatever acknowledged by anyone but Scientologists. It has no scientists, no doctors, no military leaders (unless you count the farcical Sea Organization as a military entity). For all its bank accounts, nothing. It has lawyers, true, but then so does the mob and every major motorcycle club of the one percenter variety.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Former Darfur

    And they have/had John Moses Browning, a real god on earth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    , @stillCARealist
    @Former Darfur

    if the Mormons are that entrenched and strong, why isn't their stern morality spreading? Why can't they win a few cultural battles for the rest of us?

    The pervert left wins the battles because clean living just isn't as much fun in the younger years. Wait for marriage? Stay sober? Work hard? Sacrifice? No, better to party and cavort, stay out late and then blame others when you can't meet expectations. Plenty of us have been down this road ourselves.

    , @Jack D
    @Former Darfur

    You couldn't find any one with LESS credibility than Revilo Oliver to critique Joseph Smith? Was Goebbels not available?

    , @Curle
    @Former Darfur

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalding%E2%80%93Rigdon_theory_of_Book_of_Mormon_authorship

    Solomon Spalding wrote the historical romance that Sidney Rigdon used as the template for the BOM. Smith was illiterate and simply performed the con.

    , @Neil Templeton
    @Former Darfur

    I believe the original Mormons were drawn largely from the burned over district in Western NY and adjacent ground, i.e. a second-tier (as opposed to frontier) settlement area that probably attracted a number of folks descended from the Puritans, but no longer capable of dealing with the mature stages of Puritanism. Might be drawn from a relatively productive pool.

    On another note and observing the portrait of Smith, am I off key in thinking that many prophets strikingly resemble ladies men? Maybe the incentive to become a prophet is related to the incentive to attain rockstardom. Lots of attention from females. If so, then what about Moses? Jesus? Mohammed?

  51. I wouldn’t underestimate the pedophilic element among the SJWs, but it won’t be sold that way as such.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Simon in London


    I wouldn’t underestimate the pedophilic element among the SJWs, but it won’t be sold that way as such.
     
    How about not_normally_sexed people like ex-Homeland Security's Janet Napolitano (she of the open borders) who inflict their neuroses and inner turmoil onto the American people. Normal Americans with children and families. The Obama administration is full of such people. Trannys now have full approval to be "out and about" in our military. They function as Obama's shock troops to demoralize our service men and women. To turn our military into a joke.
    The lefties have a wide assortment of rabid representatives of minorities they inflict on us to demoralize us. They put them into Federal jobs, or their NGOs get Federally funded, where they can do their damage and get paid for it. We are taxed for our ruination.
  52. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    It would lower housing prices. More people/house without a real decline in housing stock means cheaper houses. Yes, the poly folks will tend to be able to outbid singles or couples but there won’t be enough poly groups to really matter.

  53. @inertial
    My guess is that the next frontier will be public nudity followed by public sex.

    First battles of the WWN are being fought as we speak. All they need now is an invention of a SJW-friendly identity and they'll have it in the bag.

    Replies: @blankmisgivings, @Georg E

    No – SJW’s are relentlessly anti-sex and anti-hedonism. Most promiscuous gay men are not SJWs for example – while academic ‘queer theorists’ are most likely celibate or monogamous. More likely is the deification of the ‘asexual’ identity.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @blankmisgivings

    Nudity activists will be the first to tell you that's it's not about sex. Additionally, public nudity shocks the squares, which makes it great for all the usual traditional society destroying, SJW status signalling reasons.

    All they need now is to invent a "I can't help it, I was born this way" identity.

  54. Whatever happens, it’s a bit frightening to wonder about what the mob will choose for its next crusade.

  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Polyamory is more likely to get behind the scenes support from rich and influential middle aged men. I imagine a lot of CEOs and senators would be delighted if they could marry younger and more attractive wife #2 without first going through the expensive divorce from wife #1.

    In the name of tolerance and diversity of course.

  56. OT

    Austrian constitutional court rules that the presidential elections need to be repeated because of serious irregularities that could have affected the outcome.

    • Replies: @spandrell
    @reiner Tor

    Oh man. Europe is regaining it's sanity so fast it's uncanny.

  57. @onetwothree
    The end goal is socially-tolerated pedarasty, no question about it. The behavior of the elites in Ancient Rome and modern Afghanistan is exactly what our own elites have been aiming at for decades. The next degradation will be a strategic move towards that, but will be meaningless unto iteself--so probably a mix of perversities will be advocated with whatever works best with getting the full-bore propaganda push.

    Replies: @CK, @AndrewR

    Why do people keep saying this? A cursory look at the SJWsphere would strongly suggest otherwise. There is no shortage of SJWs to call for your castration if you so much as display any sort of attraction for someone who has yet to reach their 18th birthday.

    I mean I don’t doubt there are many on the left who love the young ones, but they are far from a hegemonic group.

    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie
    @AndrewR

    Speaking of castration, maybe the new frontier of tolerance will be parental rights to make eunuchs out of their pre-pubescent boys. If gender is a social construct, wouldn't it make sense to help your child choose their gender without the burden of male hormones?

    , @anonymous coward
    @AndrewR


    There is no shortage of SJWs to call for your castration if you so much as display any sort of attraction for someone who has yet to reach their 18th birthday.
     
    Pederasty will be normalized, not pedophilia. There will be a big push to allow 'gay kids' to self-express sexually. (With an adult 'mentor', of course.)
    , @L Woods
    @AndrewR

    That's only if it involves an older male and a younger female. Doesn't take much thought to figure out why.

  58. @advancedatheist
    I have an unlikely candidate, because everyone despises nerds: World War I, for Incels (the involuntarily celibate).

    I suspect that male incels outnumber gays, though surveys of sexual behavior don't capture the full extent of the phenomenon because of the methodological flaw where the questionnaires usually fail to distinguish between sex with escorts versus sex with girlfriends. The sexual reject who turns to escorts for sexual experience out of desperation loses his virginity in a literal sense, but his experience in no way compares with the man's who has had voluntary sex with girlfriends. Yet the former tends to get lumped into the category of the sexually experienced, even if he has never had a sexual relationship.

    Of course this assumes that the escort doesn't reject the incel as well, or at least doesn't give him a bad experience. People who refer incels to prostitutes seem to assume that these women come from an alternate reality where they operate according to rules different from the ones guiding regular women. I find that implausible.

    Replies: @SFG, @Mark2, @German_reader

    The prostitute’s getting paid, and there’s an even chance she feels sorry for the guy.

  59. SFG says:

    Polyamory is probably the next thing. (World War P?) It’s already chic among the academic and tech crowds (in the latter case probably because of the scarcity of women–sharing a girl is better than having none). I have a lot of people from my early years as a Northeastern geek I keep in distant touch with, and they are big into this stuff.

    As several people here have already pointed out, you’re going to see Larry Ellison etc. palling around with a harem. What not enough people have anticipated is the knock-on effects down the ladder.

    Say Brad Pitt or Al Pacino dates a hundred supermodels. That then depletes the pool of supermodels, so some investment banker will have to settle for a model instead. Which doesn’t sound so bad, but now his lawyer gets an average-looking woman instead of a model…and he gets her, which means his accountant, instead of an average-looking woman, instead of an average woman, now has one of these giant porkers you see on OKCupid pretending to like video games.

    But the accountant prefers that to celibacy, so he settles for her…which means the guy serving his coffee has to go to Plenty of Fish instead of OKCupid to get a porker with STDs, and he decides he’d rather just satisfy himself.

    At the bottom of society there are going to be a lot of lonely guys. And we all know what lonely, sexually frustrated guys do. They become violent. We’re looking at a lot more Elliot Rodgers, people.

    So yes, almost every single man is going to get screwed (or rather, not screwed) by this trend. Which makes feminists happy, I imagine.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @SFG

    Say Brad Pitt or Al Pacino dates a hundred supermodels. That then depletes the pool of supermodels

    They don't generally date them simultaneously, but serially. So while Brad has Angelina, Jennifer Anniston is free to enjoy menopause with whomever she wants to. Also, Gwyneth is free to have children named Apple with Coldplay guy. But it's when Brad can collect Angelina, Jennifer and Gwyneth on a marital kebab, that's when the guys down the chain start having to settle for less or even their hand for that matter.

    Replies: @Ken

  60. @Anonymous
    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That's a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @gruff, @Former Darfur, @Anonym, @sansfoy, @Pat Gilligan, @Crawfurdmuir, @anon

    Yes, I’ve known actual Mormons and yes, I never heard one of them quote from the book of Mormon.

    The Bible on the other hand… I recall reading someone – Stephen King? – remark about how good writing, (or dialogue?) was rich and resonant like the Bible.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Anonym

    Anecdotally, the Mormons I know have college dregrees, well paying jobs, hate abortion and love guns. Utah will go third party before it goes Hillary.

    Replies: @Anonym

  61. @SFG
    Polyamory is probably the next thing. (World War P?) It's already chic among the academic and tech crowds (in the latter case probably because of the scarcity of women--sharing a girl is better than having none). I have a lot of people from my early years as a Northeastern geek I keep in distant touch with, and they are big into this stuff.

    As several people here have already pointed out, you're going to see Larry Ellison etc. palling around with a harem. What not enough people have anticipated is the knock-on effects down the ladder.

    Say Brad Pitt or Al Pacino dates a hundred supermodels. That then depletes the pool of supermodels, so some investment banker will have to settle for a model instead. Which doesn't sound so bad, but now his lawyer gets an average-looking woman instead of a model...and he gets her, which means his accountant, instead of an average-looking woman, instead of an average woman, now has one of these giant porkers you see on OKCupid pretending to like video games.

    But the accountant prefers that to celibacy, so he settles for her...which means the guy serving his coffee has to go to Plenty of Fish instead of OKCupid to get a porker with STDs, and he decides he'd rather just satisfy himself.

    At the bottom of society there are going to be a lot of lonely guys. And we all know what lonely, sexually frustrated guys do. They become violent. We're looking at a lot more Elliot Rodgers, people.

    So yes, almost every single man is going to get screwed (or rather, not screwed) by this trend. Which makes feminists happy, I imagine.

    Replies: @Anonym

    Say Brad Pitt or Al Pacino dates a hundred supermodels. That then depletes the pool of supermodels

    They don’t generally date them simultaneously, but serially. So while Brad has Angelina, Jennifer Anniston is free to enjoy menopause with whomever she wants to. Also, Gwyneth is free to have children named Apple with Coldplay guy. But it’s when Brad can collect Angelina, Jennifer and Gwyneth on a marital kebab, that’s when the guys down the chain start having to settle for less or even their hand for that matter.

    • Replies: @Ken
    @Anonym

    He can have that collection of bat shit crazy broads.

  62. Muslim cousin marriage. Because, only bigots believe in what western culture socially constructs to be genetic birth defects. Because love, is LOVE.

  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Focusing on polygamy would be too difficult since even the most insane of feminists would be able to sense that it isn’t exactly great for women (if they all marry the 10/10 billionaires even they would have a hard time providing for them all). Instead they’ll try and pretend polyandry is anything other than borderline nonexistent and talk about how “empowering” it is for the woman since she can have an alpha to fuck her and a beta to change the diapers. Obviously any criticism of this will elicit shrieks and cries of “Misogyny! How dare men want loyal monogamous wives!”

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    Yup-->"How dare men want loyal monogamous wives!”

  64. @Anonymous
    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That's a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @gruff, @Former Darfur, @Anonym, @sansfoy, @Pat Gilligan, @Crawfurdmuir, @anon

    I was raised Mormon. Mormons quote from the Book of Mormon all the time. 1 Nephi 3:7 is probably their most quoted scripture of all.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @sansfoy

    "Mormons quote from the Book of Mormon all the time. 1 Nephi 3:7 is probably their most quoted scripture of all."


    said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.

     


    then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.
     
    Which quote is from 1 Nephi Chapter 3?
  65. @Anonymous
    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That's a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @gruff, @Former Darfur, @Anonym, @sansfoy, @Pat Gilligan, @Crawfurdmuir, @anon

    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That’s a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Joseph Smith claims that he directly translated, with the aid of magic spectacles, the hieroglyphics on the gold tablets found in his barn. We know from contemporary Hebrew scholarship that the King James Bible contains errors in translation. E.g., Joseph and his technicolor coat. Contemporary Hebrew scholars say the the KJV Bible translators were mistaken, and that the Hebrew word refers to the length of the coat sleeves, not color. Now here’s the kicker, the Book of Mormon contains these very same mistakes found in the KJV Bibile.

    • Replies: @Josh
    @Pat Gilligan

    Are you suggesting that Mormonism isn't true?!

    , @Jack D
    @Pat Gilligan

    As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is a work of biblical fan fiction. If there is a mistake in continuity in the plot of Star Wars, fan fiction accepts it as part of the canon and doesn't contradict it - those are the rules of fan fiction. You can relocate the Ten Lost Tribe to North America but you can't say that there were really only 9.

    , @Anonymous
    @Pat Gilligan

    No idiot, the KJV is 100% perfect. Your Hebrew texts are corrupt.

  66. 110% OT
    Never put down The New Yorker Magazine. It always has one or two articles that are very good and well written. Here is one I was reading in the dead trees edition that a liberal friend gives me when he is done. He has a subscription.

    A reporter at large
    January 18, 2016
    The front lines
    On the border of ISIS territory, Iraqi civilians fight for their survival.
    By Luke Mogelson — http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/01/18/the-front-line
    Erdoğan is a conservative Sunni, and much of his Middle East policy has been geared toward opposing Shiite Iran. Perhaps the only people whom Erdoğan would less prefer to see gaining clout in Iraq and Syria than the Shiites are the P.K.K. He shares this view with Barzani. At the press conference on the hill, Barzani announced, “The peshmerga alone liberated Sinjar, and the only flag you will see raised in Sinjar will be the flag of Kurdistan.” When I visited the main junction in the center of town, however, three P.K.K. flags were mounted atop an empty billboard frame in the middle of a traffic circle. The highest one bore a portrait of Abdullah Öcalan, the leader and founder of the P.K.K., who is serving a life sentence in a Turkish prison. A pillar of Öcalan’s ideology is strict gender equality, both in society and on the battlefield, and about half of the P.K.K. fighters posted around the junction were women. Many of them—cigarettes in their mouths, Kalashnikovs on their backs, and grenades fastened to the sashes around their waists—looked no older than sixteen or seventeen. Shortly after we arrived, I heard one young woman yelling furiously. She was standing in the rotary, beneath the flag of Öcalan, facing several peshmerga soldiers.

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Matthew Kelly
    Incest.

    http://awdude.com/2014/07/repost-next-frontier-perversion-normalization/

    Replies: @Whoever, @Anonymous, @Mike Zwick, @Hrw-500

    Some part of what is driving the WWT must be internet porn and the search for ever more forbidden fruit that will yield a better orgasm… for a while.

    I am honestly not sure how the various free porn search/libraries out there make money, but they must surely. Pornhub allows the combination of 2 categories. That is a feature not properly explored yet, though the limitation to two categories is insufficient.

    xnxx allows delving into all sorts of perversions. It seems like there is an explosion in the production of incest videos. So maybe that will be one of the next things in line for decriminalization or rights or something.

    Much like CGI has enabled the production of superhero movies, CGI has also enabled porn production that was hitherto difficult or impossible. That used to be what words were for, so that the imagination could fill in the blanks. Now there is CGI for that.

    This can probably coexist with the anti-immigration/brexit/anti-globalism and protectionism we are seeing now. Who knows what the shitlords are whacking off to.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    There's a clinical term for it: autogynephilia. But that's part of old psychology. Pretty sure any doctor who used it nowadays would be guilty of thoughtcrime.

    , @guest
    @Anonymous

    Anything they can do with CGI they could already have done with other sorts of animation.

  68. @Simon in London
    I wouldn't underestimate the pedophilic element among the SJWs, but it won't be sold that way as such.

    Replies: @Clyde

    I wouldn’t underestimate the pedophilic element among the SJWs, but it won’t be sold that way as such.

    How about not_normally_sexed people like ex-Homeland Security’s Janet Napolitano (she of the open borders) who inflict their neuroses and inner turmoil onto the American people. Normal Americans with children and families. The Obama administration is full of such people. Trannys now have full approval to be “out and about” in our military. They function as Obama’s shock troops to demoralize our service men and women. To turn our military into a joke.
    The lefties have a wide assortment of rabid representatives of minorities they inflict on us to demoralize us. They put them into Federal jobs, or their NGOs get Federally funded, where they can do their damage and get paid for it. We are taxed for our ruination.

  69. Legislation at the local and state level to allow green card holders to vote.

    Alternatively, judging by posts from my left-leaning friends on Facebook, the next push is for pets to be given the same moral standing as human children.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Arclight

    Indeed. I've already seen shaming toward people who bought purebred dogs because they didn't "rescue" some pooch.

    Pets are the new children. Our culture deserves to die.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Old fogey

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Arclight

    Dude, if someone thinks that his dog should have the same rights as your child, STOP BEING FRIENDS with him!

  70. @Warner
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males
     
    In fact, being 2016, what you're more likely to get is a megaslut taken care of by some beta orbiters, inseminated by the Alpha boyfriend who only shows up occasionally while an omega stays around to cuck out and do slave labor the betas can't even be bothered with. The woman will call it the many flavors of love.

    If you want polyamorous communities who are eager to talk to the media, this is who you get, and they have a relatively TV-friendly theme: 1. Love Wins. 2. Who am I to judge?

    Polygamous Mormons won't even be part of the conversation. Polyamory is all over the West Coast.

    Replies: @Lamb, @Yak-15, @Earl of Monahan, @guest

    MOAR red pill

  71. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing."

    Interesting point. Christians often quote the bible. But, as you said, I've never heard a Mormon quote the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Interesting point. Christians often quote the bible. But, as you said, I’ve never heard a Mormon quote the Book of Mormon.

    Obviously because the wacky stuff in it was assembled too recently. Never trust a religion less than a few thousand years old. (I am not an atheist)
    The Mormons have silly scripture where via their faithful practices they can graduate to live on other planets?

  72. @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    Brilliant analysis. Thread winner by acclamation.

  73. @Matthew Kelly
    Incest.

    http://awdude.com/2014/07/repost-next-frontier-perversion-normalization/

    Replies: @Whoever, @Anonymous, @Mike Zwick, @Hrw-500

    You beat me to it!

  74. No, it absolutely, positively will be pedophilia. Why? Because so many cool people were. Artists, poets, writers, rock&rollers.

    The people who are into bigamy are the uncool kind. With Muslims it will just be accepted silently, because it would be a distastefully lower-class thing to object to. The Christians will just remain a punchline.

    Pedophilia on the other hand, promises a long, satisfying battle. The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug. It presents great opportunities of feeling superior to the masses, of knowing that you’re on the rational side, of building a wonderful victim narrative, and for a very long time!

    Imagine the snarking mileage you get out of first presenting pedophiles as the genetically disadvantaged who deserve our compassion, then as an oppressed victim group, then as equals and finally as our much more exiting, artistic superiors.

    As a bonus, it is already accepted among other victim groups like Muslims and homosexuals, and hated most by the enemy: conservative white fathers. Really, you couldn’t wish for anything better as a 2050 18 year old.

    • Replies: @The Millennial Falcon
    @kihowi

    "The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug."

    Exactly. The sexual revolution is as much about conquest as it is about sexual liberation. And in pedophilia those two goals are melded into one.

    Children are the most long-term valuable cultural asset there can be.

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @kihowi

    "Pedophilia on the other hand, promises a long, satisfying battle. The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug. It presents great opportunities of feeling superior to the masses, of knowing that you’re on the rational side, of building a wonderful victim narrative, and for a very long time!"

    That is a great point. Yes, World War T wasn't really a war at all, but more of an easy and unearned Anschluss piggybacking off World War G.

    , @dfordoom
    @kihowi


    The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug.
     
    Yep. It’s not just about power. It’s also about humiliation. Whatever they force us to accept next has to be humiliating and disgusting, especially to Christians. Polygamy is just not sufficiently disgusting.
  75. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    Faulkner wrote that when a man sets up his best friend with his sister, he is committing two abominations by proxy.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @John Mansfield

    Nonsense.

  76. biz says:
    @Lot
    The way to defeat plural marriage is raise more awareness of it being used by Muslims to bring multiple wives, often children or close relatives, in from the home country.

    Right now some law professors are pushing the issue by defending fundamentalist Mormons.

    Replies: @biz, @tbraton

    The way to defeat plural marriage is raise more awareness of it being used by Muslims to bring multiple wives, often children or close relatives, in from the home country.

    This is not necessarily how we can defeat it. This is (one of) the ways in which it will be promoted. How can we ‘discriminate’ against this exotic brown people culture in which men have multiple wives? In fact, Muslims may try to use ‘freedom of religion’ on this one.

    The left will try to promote polygamy as protecting minority and exotic brown people’s rights, along with shoving out front some very photogenic white polyamorous families.

  77. @Mr. Blank
    This is a cynical thought that might be giving them too much credit, but I wonder if the Left isn't keeping the Muzzies around purely because of their usefulness as a vector for normalizing sexual deviancy: Polyamory, bestiality, incest and kiddie sex all have much wider acceptance in the Muslim world. The loonier Leftists palpably desire all of these things in the West, yet they can't really push for them directly.

    Sure, they got gays and lesbians in the door by appealing to "compassion." They *just barely* managed to do the same thing with trannies. But once you're talking about doinking kids and goats and letting rich men run harems, it's pretty difficult to hide the ulterior motives. "Oppressed" illiterate third world peasants are a perfect stalking horse.

    Replies: @biz

    It hasn’t been intentional, but yes, the “rights” of Muslims to “practice their religion” and “maintain their culture” will be a huge push when the left tries to remove the legal and cultural barriers to polygamy.

  78. “But they won’t call it polygamy because that sounds too Mormon/Muslim. They’ll call it non-binary marriage equality or something.”

    How about calling it a “clusterfuck”?

  79. Ed says:

    They might have some fun just pushing men out of the workplace completely.

    Have a situation where young men might get some odd jobs as handymen, before becoming boy-toys for wealthy women and/ or going on whatever welfare is called then.

    Almost one of the men will have university educations, though there will be a few boys schools and male colleges to supplement the vast majority of higher educational institutions, which will only admit women. I don’t have any idea how this will fit with the blurring sexes project.

  80. biz says:

    We can basically predict the future on this.

    1) The next frontier will be the legal and cultural normalization of polygamy.

    2) As people have already pointed out, it will lead to a few men monopolizing more women and therefore more incels and lower quality women for all men below the billionaire and celebrity class

    3) Part of the propaganda will be based on the ‘freedom of religion’ of Muslims and our ‘tolerance for difference’

    4) ‘Feminists’ will be as absent in the fight against polygamy as they are in the fight against female genital mutilation or burkas. Because
    a) nothing that brown or black people do can be criticized and
    b) Feminists will take the position that if some ditz wants to be the eighth wife of an NBA baller rather than the first wife of an accountant, more power to her

    5) The cultural push will involve the promotion of a few very telegenic and all-American seeming polyamorous families in TV reality shows. As I have said before, they will find an MFF threesome where they are all fire fighters or something else unimpeachable. We will be shown scenes of their romantic Valentines Day with twice the gifts (“twice the love!”). Everything will be extremely wholesome and the message will be that this is not about the guy busting a massive nutt, no it is about love. How can you deny these people their love? (and double the survivor benefits when one of them dies fighting fires)

  81. Still curious what’s next for progs. I totally disagree it will be child sex. I think polyamory / group marriage.

    Oh, absolutely. No doubt about it. The legal foundation is already there from the Supreme Court’s decisions on gay marriage. Read Scalia’s dissents in Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell. He predicted it.

    Probably legalized prostitution will be on the short list, too. Many European countries have it, and it’s already hip among progs to use the value-neutral term “sex workers” instead of the derogatory “prostitute.”

    • Replies: @biz
    @Dr. X


    Probably legalized prostitution will be on the short list, too. Many European countries have it, and it’s already hip among progs to use the value-neutral term “sex workers” instead of the derogatory “prostitute.”
     
    But progs are now supporting the re-criminalization of paying for sex. They support selling sex being legal but buying it being illegal. It is another way to empower women at the expense of men. Recently laws have been passed in Sweden, Canada, and France doing exactly this.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Dr. X


    ...it’s already hip among progs to use the value-neutral term “sex workers” instead of the derogatory “prostitute.”
     
    I refer to them as "hookers," but then I also refer to gay guys as "rump wranglers," and the transgendered as "fruit bats."

    I guess my problem is that I am what is known over at Tumblr, as "a shitlord."
  82. We’re already seeing couples who substitute pets for children. It’s something that is creeping up on us because most people like animals, and we assume that others like them and want to care for them the way they did in the past. It’s to the point that most people now seem to equate getting a dog with adoption of a child and think the dog shares their last name. There will be moves to require accommodation for animals in restaurants and anywhere else a child might be welcome, and to have pet health insurance provided by employers. (Multi-thousand dollar medical procedures for cats is another present sign of what I’m talking about.) I’ve joked that advocates for these things will wish they hadn’t been so successful when leaving a cat alone all day results in a visit from a Pet Protective Services social worker. Normalization of parent-child type relations with animals will move on to conjugal partnerships, but the bulk of the matter will be requirements (social and legal) to treat animals as though they matter as much as children. I’ve already seen bumper stickers proclaiming “I love my granddogs.”

    • Replies: @biz
    @John Mansfield

    This is very perceptive.

    I have also seen the "I love my granddogs" bumpersticker, and people are getting more vociferous in having their dogs accommodated in restaurants, workplaces, and hotels, no matter what the inconvenience to others.

    But the anthropomorphization of pets can run in parallel with the push for the legal and cultural acceptance of polygamy. It is not a substitute.

  83. What’s next?

    My vote is for a pause so everyone can sit back and catch their breath.

    History doesn’t need to progress at the same rate as technology.

  84. biz says:
    @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    I agree this will be a thing, but interestingly the two times I can think of that the Left lowered the voting age it didn’t work out for them.

    The first was lowering the voting age to 18 for the Nixon – McGovern election. Nixon still won 49 states. The other was the recent Scottish independence referendum, where for that vote only they lowered the age to 16. Some polling data showed that the 16-18 year olds were less for independence than the 18-21 set.

  85. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This is not something farfetched but is actual, current reality. Polygamy is legal for hundreds of millions in different countries and some immigrants are already covertly practicing it in the US. I understand Britain has had to make some sort of accommodation with it it owing to the huge number of immigrants it has. It’s only a matter of time before it becomes an issue on the front burner. Gay marriage was thought to be a bizarre idea not that long ago yet the government and media managed to push it to where it is now.

  86. Speaking of Smith, herewith is the OT but iStevey Mexrrissey, the Mexican Smiths/Morrissey cover band!

    Funny thing, based on the photo I’d gauge their European DNA level at about 90%+. And yet we hear not one word about “cultural appropriation.”

    Bonus: they ain’t bad.

    http://nypost.com/2016/07/01/meet-mexrrissey-an-awesome-mexican-morrissey-cover-band/

  87. @reiner Tor
    OT

    Austrian constitutional court rules that the presidential elections need to be repeated because of serious irregularities that could have affected the outcome.

    Replies: @spandrell

    Oh man. Europe is regaining it’s sanity so fast it’s uncanny.

  88. Here’s a prediction: before long, the media will start coming down HARD on straight men who won’t date trans women.

    One of these days, match.com or some similar service will fix up a straight male with a Deirdre McCloskey or a Caitlyn Jenner. He’ll complain publicly, “Damn it, I asked for women, and you set me up with a dude!”

    And the poor guy will be vilified all over the world. He’ll be hounded and cursed, called a hater and a bigot, merely because he prefers girls without a penis. He’ll be told, “She IS a woman, you creep, and you’d BETTER sleep with her, if you know what’s good for you.”

    Most heterosexuals think this is all about “live and let live.” It’s not. Males who won’t date transvestites will soon find themselves under attack.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    @Astorian

    Mark Steyn in NR 12/20/2013: "The Age of Intolerance"

    "The forces of “tolerance” are intolerant of anything less than full-blown celebratory approval...Bob Hope, touring the world in the year or so after the passage of the 1975 Consenting Adult Sex Bill: “I’ve just flown in from California, where they’ve made homosexuality legal. I thought I’d get out before they make it compulsory.”

    , @Forbes
    @Astorian

    I've long said, regarding gays (and now trans), that tolerance wouldn't be sufficient social accommodation. The next obvious step was endorsement, i.e. you couldn't feign indifference, you had to be in favor SSM. And of course, endorsement is not sufficient acceptance. Now you must celebrate gays and trans. That won't be sufficient, either.

    In order to prove acceptance, you'll be expected to engage in gay and trans sex. Cuz there's nothing wrong with it--it's completely normal...

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  89. @advancedatheist
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.
     
    I agree with that. When a guy like Leo DiCaprio can load up his yacht with a few dozen women he has all to himself, that condemns a few dozen men to some lonely nights.

    Replies: @carol, @Alec Leamas, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    I think that among the poors, it will look more like alpha thugs with multiple “wives” working to support him in style. What’s not to like?

  90. @Lugash
    I'm leaning towards social acceptance of female unfaithfullness. There have been a few commercials featuring a male/female couple that have male interloper in an intimate moment or place.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Mr bob, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lugash

    I also feel this will be the next big push, party because it’s already happening although it will be a slow to pick up speed, but when it does it will he unstoppable. Multiple wives or whatever isn’t a huge leap from gay or trans nonsense, but cheating is. However, the stage is set perfectly for forced acceptance of unfaithfulness on the part of female. Bear in mind that American males are always wrong, while hysterical liberal women, half literate with garbage educations literally believe themselves to be flawless, perfectly moral geniuses. These women are perpetually one wrong look or word away from a huge, incoherent, bratty outburst of the SJW type. They are also married to or dating beta males who have no control over anything and grovel and whimper to their partner’s every stupid, childish tantrum. So yes, acceptance of female infidelity is coming, and it will only be acceptable for females. The culture controllers will tell us that it is how they take power from the patriarchy or some other nonsense. Eventually men who still have their testicles will just give up or move to another country. I’m a 25 year old male electrical engineer, in great shape and decently attractive, and I’ve been dating women in my social strata for awhile. If you’re a middle age guy whose been out of it for a while, or live in a very small town, trust me, you have no idea how bad it is. Young, professional-ish women (accountants, med students, whatever) are so completely clueless, brainwashed, controlled, and sensitive that it is utterly mind blowing.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Mr bob

    The dating scene is replete with stupid, SJW women who mindlessly follow the fickle flute of progressivism. However, once you have them it is easy to break them with reason. They are not used to confronting logical deduction, cold empirical evidence or complex reasoning. Or reality. Real world experience with the minority underclass outside of their suburban/university bubbles quickly changes their views on reality.

    I remember when I told my wife while we were dating about the realities of HBD and the unequal racial distribution of traits. She cried and said I was racist. But over time she has come to understand reality. It also helps that she teaches low income NAMs and is beginning to understand specific, real world examples of my points.

    It's hard to reconcile a tabla rosa view when certain segments of your class consistently underperform others and behavioral issues manifest themselves along similar distributions. This, despite some of the best minds tirelessly modifying and reworking curricula to adapt it to the NAMs.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  91. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Meanwhile, the Austrian High Court thinks the absentee votes were fishy.

    https://www.rt.com/news/349106-austria-president-election-cancelled/

    Can’t the elites get away with anything these days?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @The most deplorable one


    Can’t the elites get away with anything these days?
     
    Well, the prog-left keeps trying. Getting caught doesn't appear to stop the relentless efforts to get away with what they can.
    , @RadicalCenter
    @The most deplorable one

    If the UK ACTUALLY leaves the EU and the nationalist candidate is ACTUALLY allowed to win the Austrian election do-over and the German people rise up and remove Merkel and her gang and close the borders, then and only then will I start believing that the elites can't get away with as much these days....

  92. @Fredrik
    @Earl of Monahan

    What makes you think this will be something women don't like? What's bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?

    Replies: @syonredux, @L Woods

    I’m sure you’re trolling, but that’s indeed the attitude that frames the issue. Women and high status males want it, so who are you to argue, loser? “Women are not objects” after all, and as we all know there’s nothing that can’t be justified by a good platitude.

  93. Zoophilia is my guess. OT: but I’m surprised you haven’t written on the Istanbul attacks yet given your interest in Turkey.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Marcus

    Canada has already approved "non-penetrative" bestiality.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Marcus

  94. I don’t think there is an obvious next step. Nothing else quite fits with the narrative for one reason or another. Given how overprotective society is of children at the moment, the idea that there would be a push for the legalization of Greek-style abuse of children is just silly.

    What seems most likely is that progressivism will double down on environmental concerns, gun control, and the like for now, getting more and more rabid whenever they sense victory.

    • Replies: @Hoyos
    @sansfoy

    Bingo, polygamy is the next "logical" step but the left doesn't think "logically". Every push is about power and even World War T was less about T and more about the whole LGBT community. It was more of an extension of World War G than a really separate movement.

    The Left doesn't worry about being "logical" or consistent. Supporting polygamy means benefiting fundamentalist Mormon types; a group the left is wholly unsympathetic with. Legalizing straight up molestation is something that still makes most rank and file leftists cringe, at least for the time being.

    I think the real next step is using the gains of World Wars G and T to beat on the religious communities with regulation compliance that absolutely violates religious tenets until every non church institution is either destroyed or co-opted. The religious community has provided the stiffest resistance the longest, so that would be the coup.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @sansfoy

    You mean "ANCIENT-Greek style", right? Or is it accurate and fair to call current Greeks generally accepting of sexual abuse of children?

    "Afghan-style" or "Muslim-style" abuse of children might be more appropriate.

  95. In societies where polygyny (but not polyandry) is acceptable, it has the practical effect of giving women more options for mates. Most women would rather have a monogamous marriage to a middle- or lower-class man than a polygynous marriage to a wealthier one, and many (perhaps most) would prefer spinsterhood to a polygynous marriage. However, there are always some who choose differently, and that means (all else being equal, which it often isn’t) that single men outnumber single women. This, in turn, means that the demand for single women (from the single men who outnumber them, and the married men looking for additional wives) exceeds the supply, enabling women to be choosier than they’d have been able to pull off otherwise. One can argue that’s a bad thing for men or for society as a whole, but it’s tough to argue that it’s a bad thing for women. It’s generally not great for the first wife, but no worse than the husband divorcing her and/or having an affair, which is what he’d have done if polygyny wasn’t an option.

    I’m not advocating it, but from a sociology standpoint, it would be interesting to see how things would pan out if polygyny and polyandry were equally acceptable. Would the balance tip in women’s favor as described above, or would enough men choose polyandry to balance it out?

    • Replies: @Drog
    @SXIOPO

    Theory is always fun until it runs into reality.

    But let's play anyway.

    Men are possessive and territorial with their women, in a group. Men will share women, in a group, usually in serial-monogamist ways. For reference, think fraternities and sororities or social cliques. However, outsiders are not welcomed to have at the women unless they are invited.

    In mass societies like ours it is doubly doubtful that polyandry would be acceptable to men because it means letting in too many outsiders to run roughshod over their women. It is extremely doubtful that polyandry would ever be accepted unless it was some form of a strange demon-god cult led by a cuckold leader who somehow has Alpha traits to pull off such feats of charisma... AKA that shit ain't gonna happen.

    On the contrary, women would rather share one man than have one loser. And because today's society is making men useless (women labour participation rates, welfare, etc.) and unneeded (men turn to vidya, porn, etc.) more women will choose the top 10% than the bottom 90%. Women will delude themselves into thinking they can reign in his desires with their vagina and lock him down - lol. We all know what will really happen. This is the PUA-scenes dream scenario, his Islamic version of the 72 virgins.

    We will end up like a lot of stagnant late-cycle civilizations that have emasculated themselves (India) or will seek to vent those frustrations (Islam) on the outside world.

    Of course, we could easily prevent all this with RWDS, but that bridge isn't close enough to cross yet. Unfortunately.

    Replies: @e, @RadicalCenter

  96. Greater acceptance of people with HIV/AIDS, syphilis (which I understand is making a comeback) and other diseases found largely in “marginal populations” (gays, immigrants, minorities, the poor).

    The left will have fun demonizing the rest of us for any sign we don’t accept and embrace these people fully. Such signs will carry heavy social costs, especially since they’ll be illegal as well as immoral.

    What’s next for me personally is even less contact with modern culture and more immersion in traditional high culture: classical music, the novels of James, Wharton, Trollope, etc. Also what I can bear of popular culture: movies from Hollywood’s Golden Age, TV shows like “Leave It To Beaver” and “Green Acres” and stories by Christie, Doyle, Hammet, etc. Lots of good drmtuff in the Internet Archive though I’m not sure the left will let that alone.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Kylie

    Download all the good books and videos now, before it's illegalized. As for syphilis, yes, it is making a comeback, mostly in the gay community, because of barebacking. However, every time something like this happens, instead of demanding some accountability among those who engage in unprotected anal and oral sex with multiple partners, the MSM not only does not identify the culprits but blames it on a lack of federal funding for clinics, and so on. In other words, no one is held accountable for getting these diseases, or transmitting these diseases, it's all up to the government to find ways to treat them. So as usual it all goes back to the idea of rich white guys with mattesses full of money.

    The same thing pertains to ending the ban on gay blood donations. That too is supposed to be a "marginalization", never mind that gays are an at risk population for all sorts of diseases, including Hepatitis, HIV, syphilis. I guess marginalizing at risk populations is wrong, they should be fully embraced. (Note that this doesn't extend to superstitious parents who refuse to get their children immunized.)

    Of course we can only do this because we haven't had any epidemics recently. I wonder how long that will last.

    Replies: @Kylie, @dfordoom

    , @JackOH
    @Kylie

    Can't blame you for wanting to "internally emigrate". I've got maybe five years or so left on the clock, judging by my parents' and grandparents' longevity. I know to a near certainty I can't fight a government that uses its police powers to nullify, even criminalize, individual moral autonomy in favor of compulsory "inclusivity". Totalitarianism Lite. Strength through Inclusivity. You may now thank your Gauleiter. Pace Orwell: Imagine a $200 sneaker stamping on your face--forever.

    , @Anonymous
    @Kylie

    can't find it now, but there was some salon/slate clickbait article awhile back from a 20 something SJW girl arguing to end the stigma of herpes. the comments were gold though.

    Replies: @CJ

  97. “What’s Next?”

    I think pederasty is what they want, though they will have to be circumspect in how they go about normalizing it. The gays-in-the-boy-scouts campaign was a foreshadowing of that. Nothing would be a bigger slap at normal white men.

    Also in store: polyamory, complete normalization and public display of satanism, and compulsory mainstreaming of felons, and also of those with sexual diseases, as Kylie pointed out.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Mr. Anon

    I'll risk jail or death or anything else to protect my children from sexual predators, no matter what the government says. The man who preys on my children won't make it to trial.

  98. Finally! Something Retard of King’s PUAs and cat-lady SJW pill poppers can unite behind:

    “soft harems”, polgyny, and, maybe just one day, full on polgymist cult marriages!

    It was a good run civilization.

    THE FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT GOD I HOPE IT ENDS IN NUCLEAR FIRE

  99. I agree: what’s next in store is acceptance of pederasty and pedophilia, in that order. First elites will lower legal age of consent so they can bugger teenagers, then full-on buggery of little boys. With Hollywood foremost in pushing for these changes.
    Who are you to stand in the way of a loving relationship ,a biggot? At last, Afghans will feel at home among us.

  100. @Warner
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males
     
    In fact, being 2016, what you're more likely to get is a megaslut taken care of by some beta orbiters, inseminated by the Alpha boyfriend who only shows up occasionally while an omega stays around to cuck out and do slave labor the betas can't even be bothered with. The woman will call it the many flavors of love.

    If you want polyamorous communities who are eager to talk to the media, this is who you get, and they have a relatively TV-friendly theme: 1. Love Wins. 2. Who am I to judge?

    Polygamous Mormons won't even be part of the conversation. Polyamory is all over the West Coast.

    Replies: @Lamb, @Yak-15, @Earl of Monahan, @guest

    I think there will be some of that, and I think beta orbiters will play a role in these arrangements. But most women prefer to share an alpha than have a beta to themselves, which is why the arrangement I describe will be the more common one.

    • Replies: @Warner
    @Earl of Monahan

    7 and above women might get to share an alpha.

    6 and below would have their betas and only occasional access to an alpha who probably is not part of the permanent arrangement (except in her mind.)

    There are still a lot of hambeasts who even a drunk alpha won't look at. And even those women are being told to "go get it!" so they'll get their betas and kink cucks.

  101. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    “The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it’s going to get bad.”

    And not a question of “if”, either; only “when” and in what form it’ll take. History teaches this kind of nonsense can’t go on like this without some equivalent of Thermidor setting in. Pope John Paul II was right in describing the current culture as a Culture of Death. Yep, it’ll be bad all right.

  102. Hugh says:

    My money is on Polygamy.

    Jane and Mandy are married, but now wish to include Tara, a Lesbian of Colour, in their marriage.

    We are shown footage of all three gardening/cooking then cut to the sitting room where all three weep to camera about how sad it is that iSteve followers won’t allow them to marry. If it’s the BBC, we’ll get some piano music in the background and some sympathetic interviewer throwing them softball questions.

    It’s all just too, too sad! The law must be changed!

    After the law is changed Muslims make up 93% of polygamous spouses (and they like them young too) – but who was to know that?

  103. @Steve Sailer
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Plowright beat single dad and Iraq vet Donald Martinez

    This Hispanic political tidal wave I've been hearing about for years just isn't picking up much momentum. For example, this poor bastard Martinez can't even beat a guy named Misty.

    The Latinos are being left behind by all the New Improved Minorities that keep getting invented.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    And each one claims the margin of victory.

  104. Drog says:
    @SXIOPO
    In societies where polygyny (but not polyandry) is acceptable, it has the practical effect of giving women more options for mates. Most women would rather have a monogamous marriage to a middle- or lower-class man than a polygynous marriage to a wealthier one, and many (perhaps most) would prefer spinsterhood to a polygynous marriage. However, there are always some who choose differently, and that means (all else being equal, which it often isn't) that single men outnumber single women. This, in turn, means that the demand for single women (from the single men who outnumber them, and the married men looking for additional wives) exceeds the supply, enabling women to be choosier than they'd have been able to pull off otherwise. One can argue that's a bad thing for men or for society as a whole, but it's tough to argue that it's a bad thing for women. It's generally not great for the first wife, but no worse than the husband divorcing her and/or having an affair, which is what he'd have done if polygyny wasn't an option.

    I'm not advocating it, but from a sociology standpoint, it would be interesting to see how things would pan out if polygyny and polyandry were equally acceptable. Would the balance tip in women's favor as described above, or would enough men choose polyandry to balance it out?

    Replies: @Drog

    Theory is always fun until it runs into reality.

    But let’s play anyway.

    Men are possessive and territorial with their women, in a group. Men will share women, in a group, usually in serial-monogamist ways. For reference, think fraternities and sororities or social cliques. However, outsiders are not welcomed to have at the women unless they are invited.

    In mass societies like ours it is doubly doubtful that polyandry would be acceptable to men because it means letting in too many outsiders to run roughshod over their women. It is extremely doubtful that polyandry would ever be accepted unless it was some form of a strange demon-god cult led by a cuckold leader who somehow has Alpha traits to pull off such feats of charisma… AKA that shit ain’t gonna happen.

    On the contrary, women would rather share one man than have one loser. And because today’s society is making men useless (women labour participation rates, welfare, etc.) and unneeded (men turn to vidya, porn, etc.) more women will choose the top 10% than the bottom 90%. Women will delude themselves into thinking they can reign in his desires with their vagina and lock him down – lol. We all know what will really happen. This is the PUA-scenes dream scenario, his Islamic version of the 72 virgins.

    We will end up like a lot of stagnant late-cycle civilizations that have emasculated themselves (India) or will seek to vent those frustrations (Islam) on the outside world.

    Of course, we could easily prevent all this with RWDS, but that bridge isn’t close enough to cross yet. Unfortunately.

    • Replies: @e
    @Drog

    On the contrary, women would rather share one man than have one loser.

    Only female losers ...the average Western woman hates to share a man. Women remain forever jealous and vindictive when a man cheats.

    Replies: @guest, @Drogger

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Drog

    What are PUA and RWDS?

    Replies: @Drog

  105. What’s next? Bestiality? Local guy, married to a woman, was convicted of animal abuse recently for sexual activity with two dogs owned by his daughter. The activity had been ongoing. Local humane society folks got a state law passed explicitly prohibiting sex with animals. I can readily imagine an enterprising lawyer with a strong stomach probing for weaknesses in the law that could build an “other-species sex” constituency of some sort.

  106. @Arclight
    Legislation at the local and state level to allow green card holders to vote.

    Alternatively, judging by posts from my left-leaning friends on Facebook, the next push is for pets to be given the same moral standing as human children.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @RadicalCenter

    Indeed. I’ve already seen shaming toward people who bought purebred dogs because they didn’t “rescue” some pooch.

    Pets are the new children. Our culture deserves to die.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Brutusale

    I don't have a problem having pets being treated like children, believe me, for old people, they are the best substitute (especially since I seriously doubt I would live long enough to see any new baby graduate from high school at my age.)

    But you are right, young people who skipped the stage of doting on real live humans have a problem. Pets are a surrogate, and for little kids, they are a way to learn empathy, compassion, and our links to nature. That's my pitch, anyway. But I do think that people ought to try to raise, or be involved in raising, at least one human. That's what we're designed to do, after all.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Old fogey
    @Brutusale

    If you ever watch HGTV you know that nowadays many young couples buy houses mainly on the basis of how much their dog or dogs would enjoy the new property. The first time I saw this view displayed I was amazed. It is now commonplace.

  107. @Lot
    The way to defeat plural marriage is raise more awareness of it being used by Muslims to bring multiple wives, often children or close relatives, in from the home country.

    Right now some law professors are pushing the issue by defending fundamentalist Mormons.

    Replies: @biz, @tbraton

    I recall hearing a segment on NPR’s “All Things Considered” two or three years ago which discussed the actual practice of polygamy going on in big U.S. cities right now. I seem to recall the practice involved not Muslim men bringing their multiple wives to the U.S. but single immigrant men (I can’t recall any mention of Muslim, but it was implied) acquiring, informally, multiple wives and siring children by those multiple wives. So the practice is going on, whether legalized or not. It’s a practice subsidized by the state with its support of children by (legally) single moms.

  108. @Marcus
    Zoophilia is my guess. OT: but I'm surprised you haven't written on the Istanbul attacks yet given your interest in Turkey.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Canada has already approved “non-penetrative” bestiality.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Brutusale

    What is "non-penetrative" bestiality? Does that mean you get to milk your cow? That your horse gets to lick your carrot? That you get to belly rub your pets? This is getting pretty silly.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Brutusale

    , @Marcus
    @Brutusale

    I think other progressive countries like Denmark and Sweden have legalized it to some degree too.

  109. @advancedatheist
    I have an unlikely candidate, because everyone despises nerds: World War I, for Incels (the involuntarily celibate).

    I suspect that male incels outnumber gays, though surveys of sexual behavior don't capture the full extent of the phenomenon because of the methodological flaw where the questionnaires usually fail to distinguish between sex with escorts versus sex with girlfriends. The sexual reject who turns to escorts for sexual experience out of desperation loses his virginity in a literal sense, but his experience in no way compares with the man's who has had voluntary sex with girlfriends. Yet the former tends to get lumped into the category of the sexually experienced, even if he has never had a sexual relationship.

    Of course this assumes that the escort doesn't reject the incel as well, or at least doesn't give him a bad experience. People who refer incels to prostitutes seem to assume that these women come from an alternate reality where they operate according to rules different from the ones guiding regular women. I find that implausible.

    Replies: @SFG, @Mark2, @German_reader

    “Incels” are the most legitimately downtrodden, miserable group in the developed world. They’ll therefore receive zero sympathy ever from the left, which prefers to champion the “plight” of rappers and bourgeoise homosexuals.

  110. @countenance
    I'm guessing World War P (pedophilia/pederasty), World War H (Hebephilia), or World War Z (Zoophilia) slash World War B (Bestiality).

    If it is going to be World War (Non-Binary Marriage Equality), then there's a ready made group that's right in their wheelhouse: [Omitted]

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'...

    A man will marry his Chia Pet with help from an activist justice of the peace; then, the Americans With Disabilities Act will fund the world’s first trans-species genetic modification by Monsanto and Harvard Medical School, to allow them offspring. Wheeeee, doggies, the People!

  111. @Pat Gilligan
    @Anonymous


    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That’s a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.
     
    Joseph Smith claims that he directly translated, with the aid of magic spectacles, the hieroglyphics on the gold tablets found in his barn. We know from contemporary Hebrew scholarship that the King James Bible contains errors in translation. E.g., Joseph and his technicolor coat. Contemporary Hebrew scholars say the the KJV Bible translators were mistaken, and that the Hebrew word refers to the length of the coat sleeves, not color. Now here's the kicker, the Book of Mormon contains these very same mistakes found in the KJV Bibile.

    Replies: @Josh, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    Are you suggesting that Mormonism isn’t true?!

  112. @Lamb
    @Warner

    My guess is that this is actually quite rare.

    Have you ever seen this happen in real life (and not in porn / literature)? Humans are pretty smart. Wouldn't the beta orbiter realize pretty quickly that he's being taken advantage of?

    Replies: @Warner, @Forbes, @guest

    Not rare at all. I learned this researching a documentary on polyamory. It’s mostly female-led these days. It’s often New-Age-y people believing in a kind of magical goddess power, untamable woman-spirit that men must praise. These women can rule over a bunch of losers and even sleep with them only rarely because the men are such losers. For them, having their penises touched 5 times a year is the opposite of being taken advantage of.

  113. @Kylie
    Greater acceptance of people with HIV/AIDS, syphilis (which I understand is making a comeback) and other diseases found largely in "marginal populations" (gays, immigrants, minorities, the poor).

    The left will have fun demonizing the rest of us for any sign we don't accept and embrace these people fully. Such signs will carry heavy social costs, especially since they'll be illegal as well as immoral.

    What's next for me personally is even less contact with modern culture and more immersion in traditional high culture: classical music, the novels of James, Wharton, Trollope, etc. Also what I can bear of popular culture: movies from Hollywood's Golden Age, TV shows like "Leave It To Beaver" and "Green Acres" and stories by Christie, Doyle, Hammet, etc. Lots of good drmtuff in the Internet Archive though I'm not sure the left will let that alone.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @JackOH, @Anonymous

    Download all the good books and videos now, before it’s illegalized. As for syphilis, yes, it is making a comeback, mostly in the gay community, because of barebacking. However, every time something like this happens, instead of demanding some accountability among those who engage in unprotected anal and oral sex with multiple partners, the MSM not only does not identify the culprits but blames it on a lack of federal funding for clinics, and so on. In other words, no one is held accountable for getting these diseases, or transmitting these diseases, it’s all up to the government to find ways to treat them. So as usual it all goes back to the idea of rich white guys with mattesses full of money.

    The same thing pertains to ending the ban on gay blood donations. That too is supposed to be a “marginalization”, never mind that gays are an at risk population for all sorts of diseases, including Hepatitis, HIV, syphilis. I guess marginalizing at risk populations is wrong, they should be fully embraced. (Note that this doesn’t extend to superstitious parents who refuse to get their children immunized.)

    Of course we can only do this because we haven’t had any epidemics recently. I wonder how long that will last.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @SPMoore8

    "Download all the good books and videos now, before it’s illegalized."

    Or just plain vanishes down the memory hole.

    Yes, I'm doing that. (Just downloaded The Letters of Robert Schumann that Cornell University uploaded to the Internet Archive. ) Project Gutenberg is great, too.

    Wikipedia entries have a horrible far left slant but the External Links often give good primary sources. Wikimedia Commons has wonderful digitized copyright free images and maps. And the IMSLP and CPDL have copyright free sheet music.

    I love the internet. From the first, I always used it as a portal to the past. It's been delightful but I don't expect it to last.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @dfordoom
    @SPMoore8


    Download all the good books and videos now, before it’s illegalized.
     
    Buy up lots of old books. The treeware kind. Don't rely on new editions - publishers are already censoring old books for not being sufficiently PC.

    Replies: @Spmoore8

  114. @Earl of Monahan
    @Warner

    I think there will be some of that, and I think beta orbiters will play a role in these arrangements. But most women prefer to share an alpha than have a beta to themselves, which is why the arrangement I describe will be the more common one.

    Replies: @Warner

    7 and above women might get to share an alpha.

    6 and below would have their betas and only occasional access to an alpha who probably is not part of the permanent arrangement (except in her mind.)

    There are still a lot of hambeasts who even a drunk alpha won’t look at. And even those women are being told to “go get it!” so they’ll get their betas and kink cucks.

  115. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Women do worse in interviewing for tech jobs when their voices are disguised as men:

    http://fusion.net/story/320747/gender-masked-for-tech-job-interviews/

    Women and children hardest hit!

    On a more serious note, perhaps women do have a lower difficulty setting.

  116. @gruff
    @Anonymous

    Credo quia absurdum

    Replies: @candid_observer

    Which also perfectly describes the intensity and focus of leftist identity politics.

    The volume of their howls of outrage is in direct proportion to the obviousness of the opinion to which they object.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @candid_observer

    Have you read Hoffer's The True Believer? Speaks to the larger point. Should be mandatory reading.

  117. I presume that lowering the age of consent is the next goal. Homosexuals need to recruit to keep those numbers up. If you don’t you will have only straight people in the gay pride parade. That would be dull. The younger they are, the easier it is. I thought the bathroom wars were a step in that direction.

  118. The left hates them for feeling entitled to sex

  119. @Brutusale
    @Marcus

    Canada has already approved "non-penetrative" bestiality.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Marcus

    What is “non-penetrative” bestiality? Does that mean you get to milk your cow? That your horse gets to lick your carrot? That you get to belly rub your pets? This is getting pretty silly.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @SPMoore8

    It presumably refers to the horse not penetrating its human . . . lover, due to the ensuing reconstructive surgery cost to Canada's socialized medical system.

    , @Brutusale
    @SPMoore8

    It seems that the penetration of the animal is what's prohibited. Penetration of the human by the animal seems to be, uh, wide open:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/supreme-court-clarifies-canadas-bestiality-law-with-ruling/article30371581/

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  120. @Brutusale
    @Marcus

    Canada has already approved "non-penetrative" bestiality.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Marcus

    I think other progressive countries like Denmark and Sweden have legalized it to some degree too.

  121. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Joseph Smith was, I think, exactly what Revilo Oliver said he was: a small time grifter who struck into the Long Con like the proverbial mosquito hitting an artery in Gary Larson's "Far Side" cartoon.

    He had the good luck, from the historical point of view, to be killed off at just the right time.

    Brigham Young, however, was a much more formidable figure. If Saddam Hussein had had twenty more IQ points and a little better education, he would have been much like Young.

    Young was a nation-builder. He failed in establishing a sovereign nation, but he did build a nation within a nation. I've always thought it was unfortunate he didn't get somehow to (what was in better days known as ) Rhodesia, a more verdant land than Utah, and equally empty in the 1830s. He and his Mormons could have attracted, perhaps, many English, German, and Scandinavian peoples as well as perhaps siphoned off some of the better Boer stock, and by the supefecundity Mormons were famous for until recent times, packed it full of White farmers and workers. There were very few if any blacks in Rhodesia then, and the Mormons would have been neither as needful of importing black hired help nor as inclined to do so as the English were. Deseret-on-the-Zambezi would have been magnificent, probably rivalling Switzerland by now as a wealthy, productive White country.

    Even as it is, the Mormon Nation is pretty remarkable. It is many orders of magnitude more successful than Scientology. Whereas Scientology has nothing of real institutional value besides a few somewhat impressive buildings and the loyalty of a few movie stars: Mormonism has a thoroughly respectable university, dozens of legitimate scientists, and thousands, even tens of thousands of members thoroughly embedded in the structure of the United States government, at levels Israel can only fantasize about. All branches of the US military, including US Navy submariners, SEALs and aviators: the FBI (most famously) and NSA, CIA, DEA, every other law enforcement agency: the US House and Senate, and the legislatures of most states-the list is enormous. Mormons also hold high government positions in many other countries.

    Scientology has produced no serious institutions of learning nor any contribution to any science, art or technology whatever acknowledged by anyone but Scientologists. It has no scientists, no doctors, no military leaders (unless you count the farcical Sea Organization as a military entity). For all its bank accounts, nothing. It has lawyers, true, but then so does the mob and every major motorcycle club of the one percenter variety.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @Curle, @Neil Templeton

    And they have/had John Moses Browning, a real god on earth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @The most deplorable one

    And they have/had John Moses Browning, a real god on earth.

    Indeed.

    In the entire history of technology, rarely has one individual been as influential as was John Moses Browning within his sphere of competency, firearms design. He could take a piece of old random iron, blacksmith it into approximate shape, and file and drill the resulting piece into a complex, yet no more complicated than really necessary, precision working mechanism.

    Quite a few of his designs are still in production, and not (necessarily or just) as reissue nostalgia pieces for cowboy shooting buffs and collectors. The crown jewel of his design prowess is, depending on your view of it, either the M1911 Colt pistol-a handgun that is still the choice of a good proportion of expert combat shooters and in many places still standard military and law enforcement issue, or the M2 heavy machine gun, a devastating piece of ordnance still very much in US frontline service.

    A list of his designs would take too long to provide here, those interested can, and will use the search engine of their choice to pull up a list. Notably, though, they include the Browning Hi-Power, M1911 and Colt Woodsman pistols, several Winchester lever action rifles including the ubiquitous 1894 .30-30, and several Winchester and Browning shotguns including the famous Auto-5 and the 1897 (I had to buy one after seeing Clark Gable with one in The Misfits...)

    It's hard to think of any rivals in any other fields. Kelly Johnson at Lockheed comes to mind, but really Johnson was more of an engineering manager than an engineer: no one man can claim to have designed any airplane Lockheed ever built past perhaps the Vega, or the prewar twin engine Electra: they are just too complicated. (The various Taylor and Piper Cubs, and most of the homebuilts popular in the post-WWII period, are one man airplanes and most look it. )

    Perhaps Edwin Howard Armstrong comes closest: he invented almost every circuit used in radio reception up until fairly recently, the regenerative, the superregenerative and the (all-important and totally dominant until DSP made software radio possible) superheterodyne, and invented FM broadcasting in its entirety.

    Replies: @SFG

  122. @Brutusale
    @Arclight

    Indeed. I've already seen shaming toward people who bought purebred dogs because they didn't "rescue" some pooch.

    Pets are the new children. Our culture deserves to die.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Old fogey

    I don’t have a problem having pets being treated like children, believe me, for old people, they are the best substitute (especially since I seriously doubt I would live long enough to see any new baby graduate from high school at my age.)

    But you are right, young people who skipped the stage of doting on real live humans have a problem. Pets are a surrogate, and for little kids, they are a way to learn empathy, compassion, and our links to nature. That’s my pitch, anyway. But I do think that people ought to try to raise, or be involved in raising, at least one human. That’s what we’re designed to do, after all.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @SPMoore8

    I concur with what you've written, but we've moved WAY beyond simple love and care of pets. I'm the son of a farm boy, and I've, at various times, had dogs, cats, rabbits, tropical fish and hamsters. They do teach you a lot about caring for and about other living creatures, but they were pets, not people. We've lost sight of that.

    That said, I do smile when my girlfriend's Bichon snuggles up to me and the girlfriend says, "She really loves her daddy!"

  123. What’s next?

    Making Jerry Sandusky’s crimes legal.

  124. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    The next “sexual revolution” will be men organizing to promote their interests. Dalrock I believe coined the phrase, “marriage 2.0” which means no-fault divorce with ample benefits only for women in the event of dissolution. Marriage 3.0 will have shared custody laws, ending alimony, paternity fraud, and no hassle pre-nups. A Hillary Presidency will radically accelerate this. She might end up doing for feminists what Bush did for the evangelicals.

  125. biz says:
    @Dr. X

    Still curious what’s next for progs. I totally disagree it will be child sex. I think polyamory / group marriage.
     
    Oh, absolutely. No doubt about it. The legal foundation is already there from the Supreme Court's decisions on gay marriage. Read Scalia's dissents in Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell. He predicted it.

    Probably legalized prostitution will be on the short list, too. Many European countries have it, and it's already hip among progs to use the value-neutral term "sex workers" instead of the derogatory "prostitute."

    Replies: @biz, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Probably legalized prostitution will be on the short list, too. Many European countries have it, and it’s already hip among progs to use the value-neutral term “sex workers” instead of the derogatory “prostitute.”

    But progs are now supporting the re-criminalization of paying for sex. They support selling sex being legal but buying it being illegal. It is another way to empower women at the expense of men. Recently laws have been passed in Sweden, Canada, and France doing exactly this.

  126. I’m skeptical of your prediction, Steve. Here’s why:

    Polygyny is eugenic. The common denominator of all these progressive causes is that they are dysgenic for Whites.

    • Replies: @biz
    @Anonymous


    Polygyny is eugenic. The common denominator of all these progressive causes is that they are dysgenic for Whites.
     
    Polygyny is eugenic for which traits? Size, physical aggressiveness, and paranoia are the ones that come to mind. I don't think the harem / scarcity scenario is eugenic for traits such as stable family formation, delayed gratification time horizon, etc.
    , @guest
    @Anonymous

    Polygyny is most definitely not eugenic, at least not for us. Harems don't tend to form around men well adapted to sustain our civilization. Women get the tingles from bikers and gangbangers, not computer programmers.

    , @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    Polygyny is eugenic.
     
    Guess that's why Sub-Saharan Africa has the world's highest mean IQ......
  127. @advancedatheist
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.
     
    I agree with that. When a guy like Leo DiCaprio can load up his yacht with a few dozen women he has all to himself, that condemns a few dozen men to some lonely nights.

    Replies: @carol, @Alec Leamas, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    Leo DiCaprio’s Alpha status is positional and conditional – it requires the continued maintenance of a developed civil society where pretending to be someone else in a film is highly valued.

    A future in which official, solemnized polygamy would not be widely practiced would not be such a society. Its contours more closely approximate past societies where polygamy was practiced – perhaps the Middle East of a few Centuries ago, albeit with modern technologies. As long as they haven’t figured out how to totally suppress testosterone and libidos in most males, those societies would have to find a way to burn off lots of males through either or both internal and external conflicts. I’d imagine you’d have some synthesis of Russian style oligarchs and Middle Eastern warlords with “security” consisting of private paramilitaries.

  128. @SPMoore8
    @Brutusale

    What is "non-penetrative" bestiality? Does that mean you get to milk your cow? That your horse gets to lick your carrot? That you get to belly rub your pets? This is getting pretty silly.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Brutusale

    It presumably refers to the horse not penetrating its human . . . lover, due to the ensuing reconstructive surgery cost to Canada’s socialized medical system.

  129. @Drog
    @SXIOPO

    Theory is always fun until it runs into reality.

    But let's play anyway.

    Men are possessive and territorial with their women, in a group. Men will share women, in a group, usually in serial-monogamist ways. For reference, think fraternities and sororities or social cliques. However, outsiders are not welcomed to have at the women unless they are invited.

    In mass societies like ours it is doubly doubtful that polyandry would be acceptable to men because it means letting in too many outsiders to run roughshod over their women. It is extremely doubtful that polyandry would ever be accepted unless it was some form of a strange demon-god cult led by a cuckold leader who somehow has Alpha traits to pull off such feats of charisma... AKA that shit ain't gonna happen.

    On the contrary, women would rather share one man than have one loser. And because today's society is making men useless (women labour participation rates, welfare, etc.) and unneeded (men turn to vidya, porn, etc.) more women will choose the top 10% than the bottom 90%. Women will delude themselves into thinking they can reign in his desires with their vagina and lock him down - lol. We all know what will really happen. This is the PUA-scenes dream scenario, his Islamic version of the 72 virgins.

    We will end up like a lot of stagnant late-cycle civilizations that have emasculated themselves (India) or will seek to vent those frustrations (Islam) on the outside world.

    Of course, we could easily prevent all this with RWDS, but that bridge isn't close enough to cross yet. Unfortunately.

    Replies: @e, @RadicalCenter

    On the contrary, women would rather share one man than have one loser.

    Only female losers …the average Western woman hates to share a man. Women remain forever jealous and vindictive when a man cheats.

    • Replies: @guest
    @e

    Read that quote again. The issue is what women want more: a piece of a man worth wanting or all of a man no one wants. If a woman gets jealous over a man cheating, that indicates he's desirable. Of course they want him for themselves, but if they can't have exclusive rights they won't want to settle for a dud instead. They'll share, and continue to share as their jealousy makes it hotter and hotter. You're making the above poster's choice for him

    , @Drogger
    @e

    As the West declines so will the quality of our women...

    It was Toqueville, I believe, who said something about the quality of American women being excellent yadda yadda...

    Sad to say, but our women would lose if modesty, virginity, and virtue are valued traits in a female.

    Replies: @L Woods

  130. biz says:
    @John Mansfield
    We're already seeing couples who substitute pets for children. It’s something that is creeping up on us because most people like animals, and we assume that others like them and want to care for them the way they did in the past. It’s to the point that most people now seem to equate getting a dog with adoption of a child and think the dog shares their last name. There will be moves to require accommodation for animals in restaurants and anywhere else a child might be welcome, and to have pet health insurance provided by employers. (Multi-thousand dollar medical procedures for cats is another present sign of what I’m talking about.) I’ve joked that advocates for these things will wish they hadn’t been so successful when leaving a cat alone all day results in a visit from a Pet Protective Services social worker. Normalization of parent-child type relations with animals will move on to conjugal partnerships, but the bulk of the matter will be requirements (social and legal) to treat animals as though they matter as much as children. I've already seen bumper stickers proclaiming "I love my granddogs."

    Replies: @biz

    This is very perceptive.

    I have also seen the “I love my granddogs” bumpersticker, and people are getting more vociferous in having their dogs accommodated in restaurants, workplaces, and hotels, no matter what the inconvenience to others.

    But the anthropomorphization of pets can run in parallel with the push for the legal and cultural acceptance of polygamy. It is not a substitute.

  131. @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    The idea of lowering the voting age to 16 seems like an interesting win/win for SJW’s. On the other hand, as the article points out, how can you lower the voting age to 16 when you just raised the age at which you can buy tobacco to 21? Driver’s license at 16, OK, we got that. What about the age of sexual consent? The age to purchase and own firearms? The age where you can be tried as an adult? The age when you can buy alcohol? Drugs? This is just absurd enough that it might work.

    I will leave out the age when you can join the service because we already know nobody does that.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @SPMoore8

    Voting age needs to be raised back to 21.

    Replies: @BB753

  132. @Hepp
    No, they're not even close to finished with the gay and trans stuff.

    First, most states don't even have anti-discrimination laws based on these characteristics. Courts will start mandating them if they can't get a federal law soon.

    Then there's shutting down Christian schools by taking away their accreditation. Basically every Christian institution will have to change or be buried.

    Tax exempt status could be in danger.

    I'm amazed by how the new concept of "gay rights" is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there's still a lot more that they can do.

    A good article on what's coming:

    http://theweek.com/articles/632613/dark-pessimism-american-christians

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Bobzilla, @This Is Our Home, @Anonymous

    true enough. I do wonder if polite society even knows about Christian schools and colleges. Do they have any idea how far away many churches are from what the reigning sexual orthodoxy is?

    • Replies: @Hepp
    @stillCARealist

    Yes, two more stories just today. Christian Mingle has to facilitate homosexual relationships, and Mississippi can't even pass a law allowing Christians freedom of conscience. Not only does the Constitution not protect Christians anymore, now it actually mandates the violation of their rights.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/01/christianmingle-must-include-gays-judge-rules/

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/01/judge-nukes-law-to-protect-florists-and-bakers-from-serving-gay-weddings/

    Those saying "oh, now that they've won the gay and trans stuff, what will they do next?" have no idea how bad it can get.

  133. To take a non-sexual view of the question, “what’s next” might be overtly dismissing The Constitution. We might be one Justice away from this. The “intellectual” argument is already being made:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/27/richard-posner-no-value-in-studying-us-constitutio/

  134. @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Joseph Smith was, I think, exactly what Revilo Oliver said he was: a small time grifter who struck into the Long Con like the proverbial mosquito hitting an artery in Gary Larson's "Far Side" cartoon.

    He had the good luck, from the historical point of view, to be killed off at just the right time.

    Brigham Young, however, was a much more formidable figure. If Saddam Hussein had had twenty more IQ points and a little better education, he would have been much like Young.

    Young was a nation-builder. He failed in establishing a sovereign nation, but he did build a nation within a nation. I've always thought it was unfortunate he didn't get somehow to (what was in better days known as ) Rhodesia, a more verdant land than Utah, and equally empty in the 1830s. He and his Mormons could have attracted, perhaps, many English, German, and Scandinavian peoples as well as perhaps siphoned off some of the better Boer stock, and by the supefecundity Mormons were famous for until recent times, packed it full of White farmers and workers. There were very few if any blacks in Rhodesia then, and the Mormons would have been neither as needful of importing black hired help nor as inclined to do so as the English were. Deseret-on-the-Zambezi would have been magnificent, probably rivalling Switzerland by now as a wealthy, productive White country.

    Even as it is, the Mormon Nation is pretty remarkable. It is many orders of magnitude more successful than Scientology. Whereas Scientology has nothing of real institutional value besides a few somewhat impressive buildings and the loyalty of a few movie stars: Mormonism has a thoroughly respectable university, dozens of legitimate scientists, and thousands, even tens of thousands of members thoroughly embedded in the structure of the United States government, at levels Israel can only fantasize about. All branches of the US military, including US Navy submariners, SEALs and aviators: the FBI (most famously) and NSA, CIA, DEA, every other law enforcement agency: the US House and Senate, and the legislatures of most states-the list is enormous. Mormons also hold high government positions in many other countries.

    Scientology has produced no serious institutions of learning nor any contribution to any science, art or technology whatever acknowledged by anyone but Scientologists. It has no scientists, no doctors, no military leaders (unless you count the farcical Sea Organization as a military entity). For all its bank accounts, nothing. It has lawyers, true, but then so does the mob and every major motorcycle club of the one percenter variety.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @Curle, @Neil Templeton

    if the Mormons are that entrenched and strong, why isn’t their stern morality spreading? Why can’t they win a few cultural battles for the rest of us?

    The pervert left wins the battles because clean living just isn’t as much fun in the younger years. Wait for marriage? Stay sober? Work hard? Sacrifice? No, better to party and cavort, stay out late and then blame others when you can’t meet expectations. Plenty of us have been down this road ourselves.

  135. @sansfoy
    I don't think there is an obvious next step. Nothing else quite fits with the narrative for one reason or another. Given how overprotective society is of children at the moment, the idea that there would be a push for the legalization of Greek-style abuse of children is just silly.

    What seems most likely is that progressivism will double down on environmental concerns, gun control, and the like for now, getting more and more rabid whenever they sense victory.

    Replies: @Hoyos, @RadicalCenter

    Bingo, polygamy is the next “logical” step but the left doesn’t think “logically”. Every push is about power and even World War T was less about T and more about the whole LGBT community. It was more of an extension of World War G than a really separate movement.

    The Left doesn’t worry about being “logical” or consistent. Supporting polygamy means benefiting fundamentalist Mormon types; a group the left is wholly unsympathetic with. Legalizing straight up molestation is something that still makes most rank and file leftists cringe, at least for the time being.

    I think the real next step is using the gains of World Wars G and T to beat on the religious communities with regulation compliance that absolutely violates religious tenets until every non church institution is either destroyed or co-opted. The religious community has provided the stiffest resistance the longest, so that would be the coup.

  136. Distilling and condensing the comments to date, I predict the following: It’s going to be more of a slow advance along a broad front, as opposed to a single penetrating thrust as we’ve seen with gay marriage and this trans business.

    Pedophilia? I don’t think so. As monstrous as these people are, there’s too much room for men preying on girls, and I don’t think they can get around the fact that 12 year old’s are clearly less developed than 21 year old’s.

    Same with the gamut of poly-marital relations: A guy with 6 wives? Too anti-female. Even if he’s a black Somalian.

    I can see the “Rape Crisis” thing catching on big, with the result being a presumption of guilt against men. Increased promiscuity among women will advance this in a multitude of ways: 1) Women not getting in on the action will become enraged and out for blood; 2) Women who regret their encounter will have second thoughts; and 3) There will be an increase in genuine assaults as more women put themselves in bad situations… but anyone who brings that aspect of this up with be flayed alive (See 1 above).

    Lowering the voting age? Absolutely. Also, the continued attack on voter ID laws of any kind as well as the limitation of having a single “election day” on which to vote (Favors Evil Old White People who don’t have to “work”…or sleep in until 2 pm, play video games, read 348 text messages, etc.)

    An all-out war on home-schooling, charter schools and religious schools? Yep. I think they’ll lay off the tax exempt status of churches for the near future, but the non-public schools can be attacked as “racist” “homo-trans-phobic” or they can come up with “an epidemic of sexual abuse” similar to what happened in the 80s with the pre-school Satan-worship insanity.

  137. @countenance
    I'm guessing World War P (pedophilia/pederasty), World War H (Hebephilia), or World War Z (Zoophilia) slash World War B (Bestiality).

    If it is going to be World War (Non-Binary Marriage Equality), then there's a ready made group that's right in their wheelhouse: [Omitted]

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'...

    “Still curious what’s next for progs. I totally disagree it will be child sex. I think polyamory / group marriage.”

    1) Google bacha bazi- pedophilia, many ME countries practice it. Our soldiers were told to ignore it in Afghanistan because their allies in the Afghan army practice it. Now we’re importing them here.

    2) I don’t know why polygamy hasn’t been pushed already, what with gay marriage blazing the trail.
    If the law doesn’t say marriage is between a man and a woman, then it doesn’t say it’s between ONE man and ONE woman.

    What is the end goal ? (of the globalists/NWO crowd)
    How does pushing amorality help their agenda ?

    Don’t nitpick “amorality”, answer the strategic question, please.

    • Replies: @guest
    @boogerbently

    I think polygamy has yet to be pushed because it's associated with cults and feminists don't like it. But Muslims are largely brown, it can be associated with Africa, and race trumps gender in the minority sweepstakes, so I don't see it being held back forever. There will come a time when Polygamists of Color will replace creepy white Mormons in the popular imagination, and a time when sob stories about abusive harems are as rare as informative news reports about "flash mobs" or who's really raping all the young co-eds (not lilly-white frat boys).

  138. @Matthew Kelly
    Incest.

    http://awdude.com/2014/07/repost-next-frontier-perversion-normalization/

    Replies: @Whoever, @Anonymous, @Mike Zwick, @Hrw-500

    That and/or pedophilia as mentionned in this 2014 article from Occidental Dissent. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2014/10/06/ny-times-pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime/
    (and check the comments archived on Internet Archive mainly the one posted by Logan Smith.

    Slightly off-topic, I spotted that article at http://www.mrctv.org/blog/lesbian-gender-non-conforming-couple-tries-force-son-have-queer-gender-relationship and I found this comment posted by a guy named Patrick Lofton and no need to guess what Rahmat will said.

  139. @5371
    @syonredux

    The cuckoos that grow up in Sheldon's nests, however, will probably make the Jewish gene pool more healthy.

    Replies: @syonredux

    The cuckoos that grow up in Sheldon’s nests, however, will probably make the Jewish gene pool more healthy.

    I get the feeling that Sheldon is the kind of guy who would demand gene-typing on any alleged progeny produced by his harem.

  140. Necrophilia. We don’t stop loving them just because they are dead. Also look for the age of consent for white males to be lowered to 8.

  141. L Woods says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    Lowering the age of consent to 14, for males.
    Lowering the voting age to 16.

    Replies: @L Woods

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see a higher age of consent for females (because patriarchy, you know). Never mind that females mature faster, and that male-male pederasty is infinitely more traumatic for the male juvenile than being married off at 16 to an older established man in lieu of being passed around by the football team and Greek Row through her prime years would be for a young woman. We can see already in the “Sweden” model, by which selling sex is legal but buying it is not, the sort of inane legal double standards that feminist victimology can justify.

  142. Polygamy is not it. It’s associated with religious fundamentalists and is not shocking enough. You need something that is transgressive to show that you are continuing to chip away at the white male patriarchy and Judeo-Christian traditional values. Polygamy actually lines up (somewhat, despite the Christian prohibition against it) with those values.

    Maybe it won’t be sexual at all this time but a campaign to give (certain) animals human rights. The gorilla shooting engendered a lot of outrage, at least until they found out that the kid was not white – that took the steam out of it because Black Lives Matter even more than gorilla lives.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jack D


    Polygamy is not it. It’s associated with religious fundamentalists and is not shocking enough.
     
    Well, Mormons and Muslims. Fundamentalist Christians are really, really, really opposed to it.

    You need something that is transgressive to show that you are continuing to chip away at the white male patriarchy and Judeo-Christian traditional values. Polygamy actually lines up (somewhat, despite the Christian prohibition against it) with those values.
     
    Gotta go all European on you here.We get it from the Romans, and monogamy is one of the cornerstones of Western Civilization.

    Getting rid of it will be an act of cultural treason.The ultimate triumph of the Middle East over Europe.

    Replies: @syonredux

  143. Polygamy doesn’t quite fit the underdog narrative, does it?

    Poor little homos were discriminated… well yeah.
    Poor little trannies were discriminated… well of course.

    Poor little rich alpha men with 4 wives were discriminated… huh?
    It doesn’t quite work like that. You don’t get holy pokemon points by rooting for some greedy dude with multiple wives.

    There are many homosexuals in politics, and they feel very strongly about their right to have sex without consequences; and so they got that. There are an astonishingly large amount of pedophiles in politics; and they every now and then push for society to allow their perversion: but it doesn’t fit the underdog narrative. A grown man trying to screw a young child just doesn’t fly. It’s impossible to get holy pokemon points by arguing to allow the sexual exploitation of children.

    So no polygamy, no pedophilia. I say it’s animal rights: you do get holy pokemon points by caring about cutesy furry animals.
    It’s either that or Sanders’ communism redux.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @spandrell

    I'd also question whether that many males would actually lose out under legalised polygamy anyway. Most women don't like to share and prefer a moderately masculine man they can boss around a bit. Hence, while majority of women would still date beta males and demand exclusivity of them, the bimbos, sluts and bisexuals would rush off and join alpha male harems.

    If polygamy was legalised, we might not need benefits for solo mothers, as all the loose women would be part of alpha harems. Why date a black drug dealer when you can be part of a CEOs harem? The big problem would be that underclass men would struggle to find anyone to date. This would be good from a eugenic perspective, but might be bad news from a law and order perspective.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Monopthalmus
    @spandrell

    That's why it's going to be some bacha bazi garbage. Whatever the current 'inner circle' kink among the ruling elites is, that's what will be pressed on the rest of us.

    The evidence for pedophile rings among the string-pullers of Western Civ is getting staggering at this point, even discounting the obvious tin-foil hat stuff.

  144. @Whiskey
    Woody Allen, Morgan Freeman, and Roman Polanski phoned in from the set of Bucket List Two, to say Jeffrey Epstein is pushing World War L. For Lolita. Plus, most imams approve.

    You don't want to be Islamaphobic now do you?

    Replies: @Jack D, @TheJester

    The real action now is between female adults (usually teachers) and teenage boys. There have been dozens of arrests and probably most are never caught – the boys don’t usually mind (to say the least) and unless they accidentally spill the beans it never comes to light.

    Male teachers are usually restrained by the thought that if they are caught they will be doing major time (decades perhaps) but the women usually get off pretty lightly plus they are operating on tingles and not on with their brains anyway.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @Jack D

    "they are operating on tingles and not on with their brains anyway."

    So, women think with their "small heads", too ?

    , @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    Yes quite right and also don't forget lesbians, the point of the Vagina Monologues by Eve Ensler is a thirty something lesbian recounting her affair with a 14 year old girl. So there's that. Don't want to be homophobic now.

    As for polygamy, yes I'd say most women want it. Better to share 1/10th of a Basketball player or rapper than 100% of some accountant. The appeal of the Kardashians here as female role models is pretty clear. Women, Muslims, and SJW would be 100% in favor. Yes older wives would not like to share a high earner without sexual charisma, but say some loutish layabout murderer like the elder Tsarnaev is another matter. Chicks do dig Chechens, after all.

    And yes, normalization of female infidelity is already here, in TV, movies, literature, etc. Women like that.

    BUT ... all that means is zero investment in women by most men. And while Western society is resource rich now, mass third world immigration, collapsing welfare states impoverished on the revenue side and hammered on the spending side, collapsing unemployment from free trade and AI/robotics, and African led resource scarcity of food, water, energy, and much else seem to point to a more scarce set of general resources for women and men.

    In that rapid collapse situation, think the Western Roman Empire in the 400s during the Barbarian Invasions, things will get real bad real fast. People lost a foot of average height in that century, cities became villages, and towns and villages disappeared. Money stopped circulating (it bought nothing) and the population crashed in one century to 1/4 of what it had been before.

    ONLY women worthy of male protection will find it; and Alpha layabouts like the Tsarnaevs generally do poorly in protecting and providing; the Western model of monogamy and dutiful protection and provision seems the only winner. I.E. organized and harvest-like shock battles of annihilation vs. raiding tribalism over the past 2500 years seems to favor the former decisively.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Forbes
    @Jack D

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/crime-courts/former-northwest-middle-teacher-admits-sexual-relationship-with-14-year-old-student-367f9477-d0b3-04-385042271.html

    28-yearold female middle school teacher, gets 10 years probation for 28 felony sex counts with 14-year old boy.

    What are the chances, with roles reversed, a male teacher receives probation?

  145. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Turkey realizes that walls just don't work.

    What does work is robotic machine-gun turrets.


    Smart tower construction begins on Turkey's Syrian border
    ...
    The Turkish security authority has started constructing shooting gun towers that can warn and fire automatically
    ...
    An automated speaker from the tower will warn the element or person in three languages to leave the area immediately.

    An automated machine gun will start firing at the element if it does not comply.

     

    The Turkish company ASELSAN will provide the turrets.


    Weapon Systems
    ...
    ASELSAN Stabilized Gun Platforms: The ASELSAN Stabilized Gun Platforms, which can be mounted on either stationary or mobile platforms, are designed for purposes of coastal defense, border defense and defense of naval platforms against asymmetric threats.

     

    ...


    12.7 mm STAMP Remote Controlled Stabilized Machine Gun System
    ...
    STAMP is a remotely operated stabilized weapon station for small caliber guns.
    ...
    The infrared and daylight TV cameras of the system enable detection and recognition of targets that would not be possible with naked eye. The system is capable of ballistic calculation and automatically tracking the targets and enabling a high hit probability by accurate firings.

     

    Company demonstration video of product in action

    Replies: @Jack D, @Diversity Heretic

    The E. German border system included automatic guns, anti-personnel mines, etc. They went over to these because they found that the border guards were hesitant to shoot their fellow citizens. By modern standards they were crude, set off by trip wires instead of electronic sensors – we could be much more lethal now. The constraint on this stuff is morality and political will, not technology. It helps not to be a democracy.

  146. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    The Latinos are being left behind by all the New Improved Minorities that keep getting invented.
     
    Hispanic Mestizos are just terminally mediocre.In every category. They're even bad at claiming the mantle of victimhood.

    Fortunately for them, they've got White billionaires watching their backs.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    As I noted at the time, that was the overwhelming common thread of all the victims of the Orlando shooter. They tried doing the usual tributes but every one of them was a major league mediocrity with no claim to distinction.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Do high-functioning people of distinction ever concentrate in seedy nightclubs (straight or gay)?

  147. @Kylie
    Greater acceptance of people with HIV/AIDS, syphilis (which I understand is making a comeback) and other diseases found largely in "marginal populations" (gays, immigrants, minorities, the poor).

    The left will have fun demonizing the rest of us for any sign we don't accept and embrace these people fully. Such signs will carry heavy social costs, especially since they'll be illegal as well as immoral.

    What's next for me personally is even less contact with modern culture and more immersion in traditional high culture: classical music, the novels of James, Wharton, Trollope, etc. Also what I can bear of popular culture: movies from Hollywood's Golden Age, TV shows like "Leave It To Beaver" and "Green Acres" and stories by Christie, Doyle, Hammet, etc. Lots of good drmtuff in the Internet Archive though I'm not sure the left will let that alone.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @JackOH, @Anonymous

    Can’t blame you for wanting to “internally emigrate”. I’ve got maybe five years or so left on the clock, judging by my parents’ and grandparents’ longevity. I know to a near certainty I can’t fight a government that uses its police powers to nullify, even criminalize, individual moral autonomy in favor of compulsory “inclusivity”. Totalitarianism Lite. Strength through Inclusivity. You may now thank your Gauleiter. Pace Orwell: Imagine a $200 sneaker stamping on your face–forever.

    • Agree: Kylie
  148. @ScarletNumber
    @Chrisnonymous


    exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics
     
    This isn't a good euphemism; it's a GREAT one.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonym

    “That girl has a great pair of exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics on her.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    It just rolls right off the tongue!

    UHB! (in reference to the video clip, below, that someone here posted yesterday on another thread.)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DLZGa19pfW8

  149. @sansfoy
    @Anonymous

    I was raised Mormon. Mormons quote from the Book of Mormon all the time. 1 Nephi 3:7 is probably their most quoted scripture of all.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    “Mormons quote from the Book of Mormon all the time. 1 Nephi 3:7 is probably their most quoted scripture of all.”

    said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.

    then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.

    Which quote is from 1 Nephi Chapter 3?

  150. @Mr bob
    @Lugash

    I also feel this will be the next big push, party because it's already happening although it will be a slow to pick up speed, but when it does it will he unstoppable. Multiple wives or whatever isn't a huge leap from gay or trans nonsense, but cheating is. However, the stage is set perfectly for forced acceptance of unfaithfulness on the part of female. Bear in mind that American males are always wrong, while hysterical liberal women, half literate with garbage educations literally believe themselves to be flawless, perfectly moral geniuses. These women are perpetually one wrong look or word away from a huge, incoherent, bratty outburst of the SJW type. They are also married to or dating beta males who have no control over anything and grovel and whimper to their partner's every stupid, childish tantrum. So yes, acceptance of female infidelity is coming, and it will only be acceptable for females. The culture controllers will tell us that it is how they take power from the patriarchy or some other nonsense. Eventually men who still have their testicles will just give up or move to another country. I'm a 25 year old male electrical engineer, in great shape and decently attractive, and I've been dating women in my social strata for awhile. If you're a middle age guy whose been out of it for a while, or live in a very small town, trust me, you have no idea how bad it is. Young, professional-ish women (accountants, med students, whatever) are so completely clueless, brainwashed, controlled, and sensitive that it is utterly mind blowing.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    The dating scene is replete with stupid, SJW women who mindlessly follow the fickle flute of progressivism. However, once you have them it is easy to break them with reason. They are not used to confronting logical deduction, cold empirical evidence or complex reasoning. Or reality. Real world experience with the minority underclass outside of their suburban/university bubbles quickly changes their views on reality.

    I remember when I told my wife while we were dating about the realities of HBD and the unequal racial distribution of traits. She cried and said I was racist. But over time she has come to understand reality. It also helps that she teaches low income NAMs and is beginning to understand specific, real world examples of my points.

    It’s hard to reconcile a tabla rosa view when certain segments of your class consistently underperform others and behavioral issues manifest themselves along similar distributions. This, despite some of the best minds tirelessly modifying and reworking curricula to adapt it to the NAMs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Yak-15

    "Blank slate" in Latin is tabula rasa.

  151. @Jack D
    @Whiskey

    The real action now is between female adults (usually teachers) and teenage boys. There have been dozens of arrests and probably most are never caught - the boys don't usually mind (to say the least) and unless they accidentally spill the beans it never comes to light.

    Male teachers are usually restrained by the thought that if they are caught they will be doing major time (decades perhaps) but the women usually get off pretty lightly plus they are operating on tingles and not on with their brains anyway.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Whiskey, @Forbes

    “they are operating on tingles and not on with their brains anyway.”

    So, women think with their “small heads”, too ?

  152. If that happens, all bets are off. By 2018 the smash Broadway musical could be Smith! about an American founding father, a poor black rapper from 19th Century Vermont who had to battle society’s bigotry that stood between him and his dream of having a few dozen wives.

    Too late. The Book of Mormon already exists.

  153. Found the answer, Asians are the new ruling class.

    Asian Men Win the Hourly Earnings Race in America

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-01/asian-men-win-the-hourly-earnings-race-in-america

  154. @tsotha
    Nah, bigamy isn't going to be the next big thing. These freak fads are driven by middle aged women with not enough to do, and one thing middle aged women with not enough to do will always find revolting is the idea of sharing a man's resources with another women, particularly a younger woman.

    I figure they're going to double-down on the phony rape crisis. Removing due process for men accused of sexual assault is going to become a National Imperative resisted only by racists, misogynists, taxpayers, and other class enemies.

    Replies: @Jeff

    So you think that women really control the narrative and set the policy?

    I’ll just have to disagree.

  155. @Jack D
    @Whiskey

    The real action now is between female adults (usually teachers) and teenage boys. There have been dozens of arrests and probably most are never caught - the boys don't usually mind (to say the least) and unless they accidentally spill the beans it never comes to light.

    Male teachers are usually restrained by the thought that if they are caught they will be doing major time (decades perhaps) but the women usually get off pretty lightly plus they are operating on tingles and not on with their brains anyway.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Whiskey, @Forbes

    Yes quite right and also don’t forget lesbians, the point of the Vagina Monologues by Eve Ensler is a thirty something lesbian recounting her affair with a 14 year old girl. So there’s that. Don’t want to be homophobic now.

    As for polygamy, yes I’d say most women want it. Better to share 1/10th of a Basketball player or rapper than 100% of some accountant. The appeal of the Kardashians here as female role models is pretty clear. Women, Muslims, and SJW would be 100% in favor. Yes older wives would not like to share a high earner without sexual charisma, but say some loutish layabout murderer like the elder Tsarnaev is another matter. Chicks do dig Chechens, after all.

    And yes, normalization of female infidelity is already here, in TV, movies, literature, etc. Women like that.

    BUT … all that means is zero investment in women by most men. And while Western society is resource rich now, mass third world immigration, collapsing welfare states impoverished on the revenue side and hammered on the spending side, collapsing unemployment from free trade and AI/robotics, and African led resource scarcity of food, water, energy, and much else seem to point to a more scarce set of general resources for women and men.

    In that rapid collapse situation, think the Western Roman Empire in the 400s during the Barbarian Invasions, things will get real bad real fast. People lost a foot of average height in that century, cities became villages, and towns and villages disappeared. Money stopped circulating (it bought nothing) and the population crashed in one century to 1/4 of what it had been before.

    ONLY women worthy of male protection will find it; and Alpha layabouts like the Tsarnaevs generally do poorly in protecting and providing; the Western model of monogamy and dutiful protection and provision seems the only winner. I.E. organized and harvest-like shock battles of annihilation vs. raiding tribalism over the past 2500 years seems to favor the former decisively.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Whiskey


    the point of the Vagina Monologues by Eve Ensler is a thirty something lesbian recounting her affair with a 14 year old girl.
     
    The way will be prepared by Hollywood. They won't be quite that blatant at first. First we'll see heart-warming love stories of late twenty-something lesbians and 16-year-old girls. If they get away with that then they'll move on to thirty-something lesbians and 15-year-old girls. We'll be sold the idea so gradually we won't even notice. They'll concentrate on lesbians first because it's less confronting.
  156. Enforced celibacy for white men?

  157. @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    "That girl has a great pair of exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics on her."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It just rolls right off the tongue!

    UHB! (in reference to the video clip, below, that someone here posted yesterday on another thread.)

  158. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    The Latinos are being left behind by all the New Improved Minorities that keep getting invented.
     
    Hispanic Mestizos are just terminally mediocre.In every category. They're even bad at claiming the mantle of victimhood.

    Fortunately for them, they've got White billionaires watching their backs.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    “Fortunately for them, they’ve got White billionaires watching their backs.”

    As do many of the other fortunate victim groups.

  159. German_reader says:
    @advancedatheist
    I have an unlikely candidate, because everyone despises nerds: World War I, for Incels (the involuntarily celibate).

    I suspect that male incels outnumber gays, though surveys of sexual behavior don't capture the full extent of the phenomenon because of the methodological flaw where the questionnaires usually fail to distinguish between sex with escorts versus sex with girlfriends. The sexual reject who turns to escorts for sexual experience out of desperation loses his virginity in a literal sense, but his experience in no way compares with the man's who has had voluntary sex with girlfriends. Yet the former tends to get lumped into the category of the sexually experienced, even if he has never had a sexual relationship.

    Of course this assumes that the escort doesn't reject the incel as well, or at least doesn't give him a bad experience. People who refer incels to prostitutes seem to assume that these women come from an alternate reality where they operate according to rules different from the ones guiding regular women. I find that implausible.

    Replies: @SFG, @Mark2, @German_reader

    Nah, “incels” will be seen as misogynist potential Eliot Rodgers-types…they won’t get any sympathy.

  160. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.
     
    I agree with that. When a guy like Leo DiCaprio can load up his yacht with a few dozen women he has all to himself, that condemns a few dozen men to some lonely nights.

    Replies: @carol, @Alec Leamas, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    I think it’s a second order effect. The kind of women on the yacht with DiCaprio are never going to go for ordinary guys, even run-of-the-mill alphas. They want the most confident, rich, famous alphas. The guys a step or two down from that will still be able to find girlfriends, but they will have to dig deeper into the female population to do it. The end result is that ordinary non-alpha shlubs have even worse pickings than before, and a larger number of ordinary shlubs will be made incel.

  161. @Lugash
    I'm leaning towards social acceptance of female unfaithfullness. There have been a few commercials featuring a male/female couple that have male interloper in an intimate moment or place.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Mr bob, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lugash

    And (((boom))) goes the dynamite!!!

    “Relationship therapist” Esther Perel in the Atlantic, right on cue.

  162. @blankmisgivings
    @inertial

    No - SJW's are relentlessly anti-sex and anti-hedonism. Most promiscuous gay men are not SJWs for example - while academic 'queer theorists' are most likely celibate or monogamous. More likely is the deification of the 'asexual' identity.

    Replies: @inertial

    Nudity activists will be the first to tell you that’s it’s not about sex. Additionally, public nudity shocks the squares, which makes it great for all the usual traditional society destroying, SJW status signalling reasons.

    All they need now is to invent a “I can’t help it, I was born this way” identity.

  163. @Jack D
    @syonredux

    As I noted at the time, that was the overwhelming common thread of all the victims of the Orlando shooter. They tried doing the usual tributes but every one of them was a major league mediocrity with no claim to distinction.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Do high-functioning people of distinction ever concentrate in seedy nightclubs (straight or gay)?

  164. @wren
    Maybe a hip hop Broadway musical based on the life of Barack Obama Sr?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Barack Obama Sr. doesn’t look at all like Barack Obama Jr. It’s extremely easy to believe that he’s not Jr.’s real father.

  165. @AndrewR
    @onetwothree

    Why do people keep saying this? A cursory look at the SJWsphere would strongly suggest otherwise. There is no shortage of SJWs to call for your castration if you so much as display any sort of attraction for someone who has yet to reach their 18th birthday.

    I mean I don't doubt there are many on the left who love the young ones, but they are far from a hegemonic group.

    Replies: @Flinders Petrie, @anonymous coward, @L Woods

    Speaking of castration, maybe the new frontier of tolerance will be parental rights to make eunuchs out of their pre-pubescent boys. If gender is a social construct, wouldn’t it make sense to help your child choose their gender without the burden of male hormones?

  166. @Jack D
    Polygamy is not it. It's associated with religious fundamentalists and is not shocking enough. You need something that is transgressive to show that you are continuing to chip away at the white male patriarchy and Judeo-Christian traditional values. Polygamy actually lines up (somewhat, despite the Christian prohibition against it) with those values.

    Maybe it won't be sexual at all this time but a campaign to give (certain) animals human rights. The gorilla shooting engendered a lot of outrage, at least until they found out that the kid was not white - that took the steam out of it because Black Lives Matter even more than gorilla lives.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Polygamy is not it. It’s associated with religious fundamentalists and is not shocking enough.

    Well, Mormons and Muslims. Fundamentalist Christians are really, really, really opposed to it.

    You need something that is transgressive to show that you are continuing to chip away at the white male patriarchy and Judeo-Christian traditional values. Polygamy actually lines up (somewhat, despite the Christian prohibition against it) with those values.

    Gotta go all European on you here.We get it from the Romans, and monogamy is one of the cornerstones of Western Civilization.

    Getting rid of it will be an act of cultural treason.The ultimate triumph of the Middle East over Europe.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux

    A nice discussion on the Graeco-Roman origins of monogamy:


    https://www.princeton.edu/~pswpc/pdfs/scheidel/010903.pdf

  167. My votes for new leftist frontiers are for gay incest, and polygamy, but the kind with multiple husbands.

  168. @Anonym
    @Anonymous

    Yes, I've known actual Mormons and yes, I never heard one of them quote from the book of Mormon.

    The Bible on the other hand... I recall reading someone - Stephen King? - remark about how good writing, (or dialogue?) was rich and resonant like the Bible.

    Replies: @Thea

    Anecdotally, the Mormons I know have college dregrees, well paying jobs, hate abortion and love guns. Utah will go third party before it goes Hillary.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Thea

    If you want a picture of a clean cut, all-American guy it's a Mormon missionary on a bicycle, avoiding the evils of caffeine and other hard drugs.

  169. @syonredux
    @Jack D


    Polygamy is not it. It’s associated with religious fundamentalists and is not shocking enough.
     
    Well, Mormons and Muslims. Fundamentalist Christians are really, really, really opposed to it.

    You need something that is transgressive to show that you are continuing to chip away at the white male patriarchy and Judeo-Christian traditional values. Polygamy actually lines up (somewhat, despite the Christian prohibition against it) with those values.
     
    Gotta go all European on you here.We get it from the Romans, and monogamy is one of the cornerstones of Western Civilization.

    Getting rid of it will be an act of cultural treason.The ultimate triumph of the Middle East over Europe.

    Replies: @syonredux

    A nice discussion on the Graeco-Roman origins of monogamy:

    https://www.princeton.edu/~pswpc/pdfs/scheidel/010903.pdf

  170. IBC says:

    Instead of the Sister Wives or black Muslim angles, I’m picturing a POV or Independent Lens-style PBS documentary following the struggles of a polyandrous Tibetan refugee family (two brothers married to one woman) seeking legal recognition and dignity in the United States. Buddhism is the only religion hardcore liberals can truly respect. It’s time for more yakbell!

  171. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Turkey realizes that walls just don't work.

    What does work is robotic machine-gun turrets.


    Smart tower construction begins on Turkey's Syrian border
    ...
    The Turkish security authority has started constructing shooting gun towers that can warn and fire automatically
    ...
    An automated speaker from the tower will warn the element or person in three languages to leave the area immediately.

    An automated machine gun will start firing at the element if it does not comply.

     

    The Turkish company ASELSAN will provide the turrets.


    Weapon Systems
    ...
    ASELSAN Stabilized Gun Platforms: The ASELSAN Stabilized Gun Platforms, which can be mounted on either stationary or mobile platforms, are designed for purposes of coastal defense, border defense and defense of naval platforms against asymmetric threats.

     

    ...


    12.7 mm STAMP Remote Controlled Stabilized Machine Gun System
    ...
    STAMP is a remotely operated stabilized weapon station for small caliber guns.
    ...
    The infrared and daylight TV cameras of the system enable detection and recognition of targets that would not be possible with naked eye. The system is capable of ballistic calculation and automatically tracking the targets and enabling a high hit probability by accurate firings.

     

    Company demonstration video of product in action

    Replies: @Jack D, @Diversity Heretic

    12.7mm rounds (.50 caliber) are big. Anyone hit by those is going to be a mess. In the eyes of the Turks, that’s probably a feature and not a bug–no pesky wounded to care for or finish off.

  172. @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    Didn’t a 1970-era movie, Wild in the Streets, feature a lowering of the voting age to 14? Personally, I’d like to see it raised to 25 or even 28, and coupled with literacy and property-ownership tests.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Diversity Heretic


    Didn’t a 1970-era movie, Wild in the Streets, feature a lowering of the voting age to 14? Personally, I’d like to see it raised to 25 or even 28, and coupled with literacy and property-ownership tests.
     
    How about restricting the vote to married women who have given birth and to married men who have served in the armed forces?

    Divorce means permanent loss of voting rights.

    Replies: @Kylie

  173. @Rehmat
    How about electing Sarah Schulman as the FIRST WOMAN President? She is White, Jewish, an academic, author of 17 books, peace activist, and - LESBIAN. That makes her a far better choice than both Donald Trump, and Hillary Clinton, who was endorsed the other day by French White Jewish president Hollande?

    Schulman in her latest book, ‘Israel/Palestine and the Queer International’ claims that gay rights movement is mainly funded by Israel and the Jewish multi-billionaire George Soro.

    Behind all her anti-Zionist exterior, Schulman shows her real Zionist agenda in ‘‘Israel/Palestine and the Queer International’; Palestinians should stop military resistance against Israel and adopt a Gandhi-style non-violent protests – and support the ‘lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT)‘ groups. She believes this will enhance Hamas image like Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah among the western powers.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/08/09/schulman-gay-rights-movement-is-jewish/

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Jack D

    We can bet that Rehmat falls on the side of maintaining prohibition of inter-species marriage, because nothing inflames desire like forbidden goats. Sorry, Mr. Sailer, but I know you won’t print this, and he’s so obnoxious. Islam forbids everything and he can post on the largely-free Internets because it’s not controlled by his head-down, ass-up, magic carpet-ride religion.

  174. I’m going to go with granting something approaching human rights to higher order (at first) animals like gorillas, dolphins and dogs. This will segue nicely with bestiality.

    Another prediction; within five years tops women will demand (and be granted) the “right” to play in hitherto all male sports leagues like NFL, MLB, NHL, the Premier League and so on.

    You heard it here first.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Johnny Smoggins

    They have always had the "right" to play in professional leagues. If one were good enough, do you think any team owner would think twice about signing her?

    I always say that Annika Sorenstam carries an asterisk concerning her play in a men's tournament; she got an exemption to play. At least Babe Zaharias QUALIFIED for a men's tournament in 1945.

  175. Polygamy, maybe for the white elites, but consider that a certain segment of the population breeds with multiple sperm donors without the benefit of marriage , so where is the attraction? Wouldn’t that be punching down? Multiple partners just for sex in the age of the inter net hook up Tumblr. Haven’t read any comments yet so I’ll throw out Pedophilia and Bestiality. Ultra repugnant, but you white dudes need to get over your hang ups. Oh, and the Catholic Priest pedophile, whom I detest, do not get a do over, after all they are the epitome of white, male Christian privilege. So, who would Polygamy, Pedophilia & Bestiality appeal to, why our Muslim brethren, who already practice this in their homeland. Welcome to a more diverse America.

  176. Mormons are already somewhat accepted by liberals, despite the fact that they vote Republican. Liberals feel sorry for them because rednecks and Baptists dislike them. I’ve mentioned this on here before, but my very liberal, irreligious in-laws and friends always have positive things to say about the kooky Mormons.

  177. @Anonymous
    "The Billionaire Pedophile Who Could Bring Down Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton"

    "Trump’s supporters have long wondered whether he’d use billionaire sicko Jeffrey Epstein as ammo against the Clintons—until a lurid new lawsuit accused The Donald of raping one of Epstein’s girls himself."

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

    For Jeffrey Epstein and his famous friends, the Aughts were a simpler time, when the businessmen, academics, and celebrities who counted themselves among the playboy philanthropist’s inner circle could freely enjoy the fruits of his extreme wealth and connections.

    Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes. Socialites and distinguished scientists went to visit Epstein’s island in St. Thomas, and cavorted at epic dinner parties at his palatial townhouse—then the largest privately owned residence in New York, as he liked to brag. There, they picked at elaborate meals catered by celebrity chefs like Rocco DiSpirito, marvelled at Epstein’s opulent decor, and noted the pack of very, very young model-types with whom Epstein always seemed to surround himself.

    But a darker story was going on underneath the glamour. In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting sex from an underage girl and quietly paid settlements to scores of alleged victims who said he serially molested them. But the girls kept coming out of the woodwork—in 2014, another young woman filed a lawsuit claiming that Epstein used her as a sex slave for his powerful friends—and that she’d been at parties on his private island with former President Clinton.

    And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13.

    Trump has denied Jane Doe’s claims and his reps have said he barely knew Epstein—even though New York media in the ’90s regularly chronicled his comings-and-goings at Epstein’s Upper East Side palace, and even though Epstein had 14 private numbers for Trump and his family in his little black book. Meanwhile, Bill and Hillary Clinton have remained mum about their ties to the Palm Beach pedophile—despite evidence that shows Bill was one of the most famous and frequent passengers on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” and that Epstein donated money to the Clinton Foundation even after his conviction.

    For months, talking heads have wondered whether Trump would use Epstein and his girls as a weapon against Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Now, with the latest federal lawsuit against Trump himself, it seems the notorious financier has become a serious liability for both campaigns.
     

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Cade, @Forbes, @Jus' Sayin'...

    This. After WW G I thought it would be the polyamorists, but I wasn’t including the religious angle. The tribe has never been into polyamory. Many other paraphilias to be sure, but not that one. The one that has impacted them often enough is age of consent, as in your example of Epstein. So I’m placing my bets on WW Hebephilia. (and that sounds more pleasant than pederasty)

  178. @SPMoore8
    @Kylie

    Download all the good books and videos now, before it's illegalized. As for syphilis, yes, it is making a comeback, mostly in the gay community, because of barebacking. However, every time something like this happens, instead of demanding some accountability among those who engage in unprotected anal and oral sex with multiple partners, the MSM not only does not identify the culprits but blames it on a lack of federal funding for clinics, and so on. In other words, no one is held accountable for getting these diseases, or transmitting these diseases, it's all up to the government to find ways to treat them. So as usual it all goes back to the idea of rich white guys with mattesses full of money.

    The same thing pertains to ending the ban on gay blood donations. That too is supposed to be a "marginalization", never mind that gays are an at risk population for all sorts of diseases, including Hepatitis, HIV, syphilis. I guess marginalizing at risk populations is wrong, they should be fully embraced. (Note that this doesn't extend to superstitious parents who refuse to get their children immunized.)

    Of course we can only do this because we haven't had any epidemics recently. I wonder how long that will last.

    Replies: @Kylie, @dfordoom

    “Download all the good books and videos now, before it’s illegalized.”

    Or just plain vanishes down the memory hole.

    Yes, I’m doing that. (Just downloaded The Letters of Robert Schumann that Cornell University uploaded to the Internet Archive. ) Project Gutenberg is great, too.

    Wikipedia entries have a horrible far left slant but the External Links often give good primary sources. Wikimedia Commons has wonderful digitized copyright free images and maps. And the IMSLP and CPDL have copyright free sheet music.

    I love the internet. From the first, I always used it as a portal to the past. It’s been delightful but I don’t expect it to last.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Kylie


    I love the internet. From the first, I always used it as a portal to the past.
     
    That's how I use it as well. I've managed to insulate myself almost entirely from contemporary popular culture. I don't read contemporary fiction, I don't watch any current TV shows and I don't see and contemporary movies. I immerse myself entirely in the past. It was a better world back then and it's surprising just how successfully one can live in the past with just a little bit of effort. I strongly recommend it.

    Replies: @Kylie

  179. @kihowi
    No, it absolutely, positively will be pedophilia. Why? Because so many cool people were. Artists, poets, writers, rock&rollers.

    The people who are into bigamy are the uncool kind. With Muslims it will just be accepted silently, because it would be a distastefully lower-class thing to object to. The Christians will just remain a punchline.

    Pedophilia on the other hand, promises a long, satisfying battle. The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug. It presents great opportunities of feeling superior to the masses, of knowing that you're on the rational side, of building a wonderful victim narrative, and for a very long time!

    Imagine the snarking mileage you get out of first presenting pedophiles as the genetically disadvantaged who deserve our compassion, then as an oppressed victim group, then as equals and finally as our much more exiting, artistic superiors.

    As a bonus, it is already accepted among other victim groups like Muslims and homosexuals, and hated most by the enemy: conservative white fathers. Really, you couldn't wish for anything better as a 2050 18 year old.

    Replies: @The Millennial Falcon, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @dfordoom

    “The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug.”

    Exactly. The sexual revolution is as much about conquest as it is about sexual liberation. And in pedophilia those two goals are melded into one.

    Children are the most long-term valuable cultural asset there can be.

  180. @Lugash
    I'm leaning towards social acceptance of female unfaithfullness. There have been a few commercials featuring a male/female couple that have male interloper in an intimate moment or place.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Mr bob, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lugash

    Old lesbian Jon Bon Jovi currently cast in Grey New York’s DirecTV ads: Hilarious cucking, and whites who would be better off not spawning.

    Here is Grey’s former creative director serenading his boss. Bunch of freaks.

    Bonus: pedophilic “Adobe Stock” upper banner ad currently in rotation on Adweek’s site. (It’s a suggestively cropped redo of Caravaggio’s Saint Matthew and the Angel.) Everything’s coming up iSteve!

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Direct-TV ad with JBJ is positively bizarre. Who can possibly be the target audience?

    Replies: @Lugash, @Whiskey

  181. @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    And we’ll probably also see a renewed push to amend the Constitution to allow a foreign-born person to become President.

  182. @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Steve,

    Why do you approve Anonymous' cr-p? These allegations against Trump are transparently false and obviously politically motivated and designed to neutralize any references Trump might make to Clinton's Epstein problems.


    the lawyer for Roberts and about 10 other Jane Does, said that after he served Trump with the subpoena in 2009, Trump immediately contacted him.

    "During the conversation, Mr. Trump was open and forthright... it was obvious to me that he was in no way involved in any untoward activity."
     
    It's obvious to anyone who looks at the women Trump has dated and married that he is attracted to women with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics. These political lawsuits reference 12 and 13 year old girls for maximum ick factor, but they would be more plausible if they were about well-developed 16 or 17 year olds, not girls.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Jack D, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I agree that the lawsuits are probably BS as they pertain to Trump (and for that matter Bill) but I didn’t see any reference to 12 year olds, only 13. A girl who is 13 going on 14 might well have developed 2ndary sex characteristics. Women mature earlier than men and sometimes it can be hard to guess their age without a birth certificate, especially if the girl is dressed and has hair and makeup done in the style of someone older and she is mixed in a group with older women – we rely a lot on cues like that (which is also the reason why there have been cases where people much older have masqueraded as teenagers – undercover journalists attending high school, etc.). There have been a number of case of statutory rape where the man claimed that he was not aware that the girl was underage. Some of them may even be true. Donald may not be interest in jailbait, but like most men, he has shown a clear preference for women who are much younger than he is, especially his later trophy wives. Marla was 17 years younger than he was when he married her, Melanoma was 24 years younger.

    • Replies: @fish
    @Jack D


    Marla was 17 years younger than he was when he married her, Melanoma was 24 years younger.
     



    Worlds greatest autocorrect?

    Replies: @Jack D

  183. @Astorian
    Here's a prediction: before long, the media will start coming down HARD on straight men who won't date trans women.

    One of these days, match.com or some similar service will fix up a straight male with a Deirdre McCloskey or a Caitlyn Jenner. He'll complain publicly, "Damn it, I asked for women, and you set me up with a dude!"

    And the poor guy will be vilified all over the world. He'll be hounded and cursed, called a hater and a bigot, merely because he prefers girls without a penis. He'll be told, "She IS a woman, you creep, and you'd BETTER sleep with her, if you know what's good for you."

    Most heterosexuals think this is all about "live and let live." It's not. Males who won't date transvestites will soon find themselves under attack.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @Forbes

    Mark Steyn in NR 12/20/2013: “The Age of Intolerance”

    “The forces of “tolerance” are intolerant of anything less than full-blown celebratory approval…Bob Hope, touring the world in the year or so after the passage of the 1975 Consenting Adult Sex Bill: “I’ve just flown in from California, where they’ve made homosexuality legal. I thought I’d get out before they make it compulsory.”

  184. OT

    Chinese fighting with Italian police.

    http://www.thelocal.it/20160701/police-raid-italys-chinese-mafia-over-race-crime

    “The individuals being investigated are all linked to a Chinese cultural association “The City of the White Stag” and are also suspected of preying on law-abiding Chinese businesses. Friday’s raids were carried out under warrants issued for criminal association and commissioning racially motivated violence. A police statement said the head of the White Stag group had organised vigilante style patrols in Prato as part of a protection racket which had led to attacks on Arab immigrants with no criminal connections.

    The raids followed clashes between police and some 300 Chinese on Wednesday evening after a health-and-safety inspection of a Chinese-owned textile factory. The latest incidents underline long-standing tensions between the Italian authorities and the country’s Chinese community, which has prospered economically but is regularly accused of showing no interest in integration and of sending millions in untaxed profits back to China. In the Florence area, authorities have long battled the related problems of sweatshop exploitation and clandestine immigration. But local officials say efforts to better regulate the textiles sector have born fruit since a 2013 fire in a garment factory left seven people dead. It emerged afterwards that the workers had been living in the factory and were unable to escape because the windows were barred.”

    And a theory that hadn’t occurred to me aired in PuffedHo of all places – is the rebellion against Jeremy Corbyn in the UK Labour Party aimed at removing him before the Chilcot report into the Iraq war is released and the Blairites get a lot of blame? (I still hold the view that his contacts with Hamas and support of the Palestinians is the reason. Occam’s Razor)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rob-atkinson/labour-party-jeremy-corbyn_b_10773378.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ir=UK+Politics

  185. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    Polyamory, you say?

    Here’s a Del Webb commercial for an “active adult community.” Actual script/copy: Good place for “blasting it down the fairway,” “sushi eaters,” and those who want to “master pickleball.” Just call it Viagra Village.

  186. @Rehmat
    How about electing Sarah Schulman as the FIRST WOMAN President? She is White, Jewish, an academic, author of 17 books, peace activist, and - LESBIAN. That makes her a far better choice than both Donald Trump, and Hillary Clinton, who was endorsed the other day by French White Jewish president Hollande?

    Schulman in her latest book, ‘Israel/Palestine and the Queer International’ claims that gay rights movement is mainly funded by Israel and the Jewish multi-billionaire George Soro.

    Behind all her anti-Zionist exterior, Schulman shows her real Zionist agenda in ‘‘Israel/Palestine and the Queer International’; Palestinians should stop military resistance against Israel and adopt a Gandhi-style non-violent protests – and support the ‘lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT)‘ groups. She believes this will enhance Hamas image like Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah among the western powers.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/08/09/schulman-gay-rights-movement-is-jewish/

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Jack D

    Israel pushes homosexual agenda but Arafat is the one who died of AIDS after sleeping with a few too many rent boys. Funny how that works.

    Only an Arab could confuse Ghandi style non-violence with acquiescence to the enemy. You might have noticed that Ghandi’s tactics worked and he got his own country but after 70+ years of “military resistance” (throw rocks at people with nuclear weapons) the Palestinians don’t have nothin’ to show for it.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Jack D

    Once I got to know a Jew who was a cool, liberal acting pot smoking partying type. He had been to Israel. He used to spit out the window every time he passed a church. He once remarked that Palestinians smell. I asked why. "Because they are goyim". "Am I goyim?" A smile, nothing said. (I was rather young).

    It's not easy to guilt trip people like that. Ghandi knew white Gentiles and their weaknesses.

  187. @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Joseph Smith was, I think, exactly what Revilo Oliver said he was: a small time grifter who struck into the Long Con like the proverbial mosquito hitting an artery in Gary Larson's "Far Side" cartoon.

    He had the good luck, from the historical point of view, to be killed off at just the right time.

    Brigham Young, however, was a much more formidable figure. If Saddam Hussein had had twenty more IQ points and a little better education, he would have been much like Young.

    Young was a nation-builder. He failed in establishing a sovereign nation, but he did build a nation within a nation. I've always thought it was unfortunate he didn't get somehow to (what was in better days known as ) Rhodesia, a more verdant land than Utah, and equally empty in the 1830s. He and his Mormons could have attracted, perhaps, many English, German, and Scandinavian peoples as well as perhaps siphoned off some of the better Boer stock, and by the supefecundity Mormons were famous for until recent times, packed it full of White farmers and workers. There were very few if any blacks in Rhodesia then, and the Mormons would have been neither as needful of importing black hired help nor as inclined to do so as the English were. Deseret-on-the-Zambezi would have been magnificent, probably rivalling Switzerland by now as a wealthy, productive White country.

    Even as it is, the Mormon Nation is pretty remarkable. It is many orders of magnitude more successful than Scientology. Whereas Scientology has nothing of real institutional value besides a few somewhat impressive buildings and the loyalty of a few movie stars: Mormonism has a thoroughly respectable university, dozens of legitimate scientists, and thousands, even tens of thousands of members thoroughly embedded in the structure of the United States government, at levels Israel can only fantasize about. All branches of the US military, including US Navy submariners, SEALs and aviators: the FBI (most famously) and NSA, CIA, DEA, every other law enforcement agency: the US House and Senate, and the legislatures of most states-the list is enormous. Mormons also hold high government positions in many other countries.

    Scientology has produced no serious institutions of learning nor any contribution to any science, art or technology whatever acknowledged by anyone but Scientologists. It has no scientists, no doctors, no military leaders (unless you count the farcical Sea Organization as a military entity). For all its bank accounts, nothing. It has lawyers, true, but then so does the mob and every major motorcycle club of the one percenter variety.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @Curle, @Neil Templeton

    You couldn’t find any one with LESS credibility than Revilo Oliver to critique Joseph Smith? Was Goebbels not available?

  188. Does sex with Otherkin count as beastiality?

    Transgender marines is a great thing if one views the M.I.C. as a big part of the problem. The long, slow boil of parasitism and global enforcement by a military populated by large numbers of passive-aggressive, low IQ sorts who feel we owe them something because they “served” hasn’t proven sufficient to wake people up.

    So speed it up, go full on retard. If we must have a HRC presidency, I can only hope the Silents and GOP-inclined Boomers live long enough to become completely disenchanted with their beloved Military.

    I think it telling how pro troop and pro veteran the Center-Left has become of late. They know the Military for what it is, and, arguably, always has been- a force for centralization of power and social change. Wave old glory and scream Semper Fi all you want, marine, you serve the transnational Left. You always have.

  189. @boogerbently
    @countenance

    "Still curious what’s next for progs. I totally disagree it will be child sex. I think polyamory / group marriage."

    1) Google bacha bazi- pedophilia, many ME countries practice it. Our soldiers were told to ignore it in Afghanistan because their allies in the Afghan army practice it. Now we're importing them here.

    2) I don't know why polygamy hasn't been pushed already, what with gay marriage blazing the trail.
    If the law doesn't say marriage is between a man and a woman, then it doesn't say it's between ONE man and ONE woman.

    What is the end goal ? (of the globalists/NWO crowd)
    How does pushing amorality help their agenda ?

    Don't nitpick "amorality", answer the strategic question, please.

    Replies: @guest

    I think polygamy has yet to be pushed because it’s associated with cults and feminists don’t like it. But Muslims are largely brown, it can be associated with Africa, and race trumps gender in the minority sweepstakes, so I don’t see it being held back forever. There will come a time when Polygamists of Color will replace creepy white Mormons in the popular imagination, and a time when sob stories about abusive harems are as rare as informative news reports about “flash mobs” or who’s really raping all the young co-eds (not lilly-white frat boys).

  190. @Thea
    @Anonym

    Anecdotally, the Mormons I know have college dregrees, well paying jobs, hate abortion and love guns. Utah will go third party before it goes Hillary.

    Replies: @Anonym

    If you want a picture of a clean cut, all-American guy it’s a Mormon missionary on a bicycle, avoiding the evils of caffeine and other hard drugs.

  191. @whorefinder
    I would look at declining Rome, declining Ottoman empire, and others for clues. The one difference is that the Left has sought to take the select decadent behavior of the few rich/powerful of these times and enshrine them into law as rights for all.

    I would say the next step is the decriminalization and destigmatization of prostitution (or, conversely, shifting law enforcement to arresting johns and letting the prostitutes off the hook, so to speak). Brothels tended to flourish in those times, and we've already seen the normalization of porn march ever forward. I believe the Roman Emperor Augustus's own daughter had a competition with a famous prostitute over who could please the most men.

    These kinds of behaviors all seem to occur in history when there are more men than women in a given society, allowing women, as the rarer resource during those times, to call the shots/have their cake and eat it too.

    In the Old West, for example, the few number of single women versus men meant that women could make a really good career out of being a prostitute and then find some schlub to marry her when she was past her prime. The aggressive nature of prostitutes in that time is fascinating to look at---they bought ads in local papers proudly advertising themselves as "the best cuts of meat around."

    It was only when more women started moving out to the now-tamed Western towns that prostitution became criminalized and stigmatized. A guy didn't have to settle for some used up hooker, he could get a girl who hadn't worked in a saloon, and he didn't have to pay for her.

    And now, since there was now more competition for good men, the women in a town couldn't expect to just whore themselves out for a huge profit and still get married, and other, married women wanted to shut down brothels because they were avenues for their men to cheat on them and leave them---and thus, after shutting them down, secure more of the men's loyalty through restriction of sexual options.

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Buffalo Joe, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    The elites have already “eliminated” prostitution by calling the practice “sex work” that is performed by “sex workers.” Nothing to be ashamed of really, just a new profession for women or gay men.

  192. @Whoever
    @Matthew Kelly


    Incest.
     
    Maybe so. They've got a pseudo-scientific term for it already: genetic sexual attraction, or GSA.
    So you can be an oppressed member of the GSA community. Or get grants to study structural discrimination against GSA couples. Or major in GSA studies.
    If it's not the next thing, it will be the next-next thing.

    Replies: @guest

    Incest Studies , unlike other phony field’s, has the potential to be interesting. Great literature is full of it. But no, they’ll pseudo-science it up. Just like they’ve done with literature in general, come to think of it.

  193. @Anonymous
    @Matthew Kelly

    Some part of what is driving the WWT must be internet porn and the search for ever more forbidden fruit that will yield a better orgasm... for a while.

    I am honestly not sure how the various free porn search/libraries out there make money, but they must surely. Pornhub allows the combination of 2 categories. That is a feature not properly explored yet, though the limitation to two categories is insufficient.

    xnxx allows delving into all sorts of perversions. It seems like there is an explosion in the production of incest videos. So maybe that will be one of the next things in line for decriminalization or rights or something.

    Much like CGI has enabled the production of superhero movies, CGI has also enabled porn production that was hitherto difficult or impossible. That used to be what words were for, so that the imagination could fill in the blanks. Now there is CGI for that.

    This can probably coexist with the anti-immigration/brexit/anti-globalism and protectionism we are seeing now. Who knows what the shitlords are whacking off to.

    Replies: @guest, @guest

    There’s a clinical term for it: autogynephilia. But that’s part of old psychology. Pretty sure any doctor who used it nowadays would be guilty of thoughtcrime.

  194. @Kylie
    Greater acceptance of people with HIV/AIDS, syphilis (which I understand is making a comeback) and other diseases found largely in "marginal populations" (gays, immigrants, minorities, the poor).

    The left will have fun demonizing the rest of us for any sign we don't accept and embrace these people fully. Such signs will carry heavy social costs, especially since they'll be illegal as well as immoral.

    What's next for me personally is even less contact with modern culture and more immersion in traditional high culture: classical music, the novels of James, Wharton, Trollope, etc. Also what I can bear of popular culture: movies from Hollywood's Golden Age, TV shows like "Leave It To Beaver" and "Green Acres" and stories by Christie, Doyle, Hammet, etc. Lots of good drmtuff in the Internet Archive though I'm not sure the left will let that alone.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @JackOH, @Anonymous

    can’t find it now, but there was some salon/slate clickbait article awhile back from a 20 something SJW girl arguing to end the stigma of herpes. the comments were gold though.

    • Replies: @CJ
    @Anonymous

    That story has been covered by Stacy McCain. Here's his latest post on the subject:

    http://theothermccain.com/2016/06/30/dear-laurenduca-could-you-please-define-sexually-active-more-clearly/

  195. @Pat Gilligan
    @Anonymous


    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That’s a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.
     
    Joseph Smith claims that he directly translated, with the aid of magic spectacles, the hieroglyphics on the gold tablets found in his barn. We know from contemporary Hebrew scholarship that the King James Bible contains errors in translation. E.g., Joseph and his technicolor coat. Contemporary Hebrew scholars say the the KJV Bible translators were mistaken, and that the Hebrew word refers to the length of the coat sleeves, not color. Now here's the kicker, the Book of Mormon contains these very same mistakes found in the KJV Bibile.

    Replies: @Josh, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is a work of biblical fan fiction. If there is a mistake in continuity in the plot of Star Wars, fan fiction accepts it as part of the canon and doesn’t contradict it – those are the rules of fan fiction. You can relocate the Ten Lost Tribe to North America but you can’t say that there were really only 9.

  196. @Anonymous
    @Matthew Kelly

    Some part of what is driving the WWT must be internet porn and the search for ever more forbidden fruit that will yield a better orgasm... for a while.

    I am honestly not sure how the various free porn search/libraries out there make money, but they must surely. Pornhub allows the combination of 2 categories. That is a feature not properly explored yet, though the limitation to two categories is insufficient.

    xnxx allows delving into all sorts of perversions. It seems like there is an explosion in the production of incest videos. So maybe that will be one of the next things in line for decriminalization or rights or something.

    Much like CGI has enabled the production of superhero movies, CGI has also enabled porn production that was hitherto difficult or impossible. That used to be what words were for, so that the imagination could fill in the blanks. Now there is CGI for that.

    This can probably coexist with the anti-immigration/brexit/anti-globalism and protectionism we are seeing now. Who knows what the shitlords are whacking off to.

    Replies: @guest, @guest

    Anything they can do with CGI they could already have done with other sorts of animation.

  197. @Jack D
    @Rehmat

    Israel pushes homosexual agenda but Arafat is the one who died of AIDS after sleeping with a few too many rent boys. Funny how that works.

    Only an Arab could confuse Ghandi style non-violence with acquiescence to the enemy. You might have noticed that Ghandi's tactics worked and he got his own country but after 70+ years of "military resistance" (throw rocks at people with nuclear weapons) the Palestinians don't have nothin' to show for it.

    Replies: @Anonym

    Once I got to know a Jew who was a cool, liberal acting pot smoking partying type. He had been to Israel. He used to spit out the window every time he passed a church. He once remarked that Palestinians smell. I asked why. “Because they are goyim”. “Am I goyim?” A smile, nothing said. (I was rather young).

    It’s not easy to guilt trip people like that. Ghandi knew white Gentiles and their weaknesses.

  198. @Anonymous
    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That's a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @gruff, @Former Darfur, @Anonym, @sansfoy, @Pat Gilligan, @Crawfurdmuir, @anon

    Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Actually, it’s stranger than that. L. Ron Hubbard decided to invent his own religion after stumbling across the works of Aleister Crowley, through the rocket scientist Jack Parsons (co-founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory), who was a Crowley disciple.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Scientology is a concoction made of perhaps equal parts of Crowleyanity and a thing, as it was then, called General Semantics. While it has cultish aspects, GS actually makes a certain amount of sense. It earned the eternal enmity of Ayn Rand, for one thing.

    Many, many early SF writers were fans of GS, as were the principals of McIntosh Laboratory, the company who made what was considered for half a century the finest audio amplification equipment available, and a disclaimer of affiliation can be found in the plastic of every early toaster Macintosh computer:



    In naming his Macintosh project, Jef Raskin bucked the trend of using female code names. He thought the practice was sexist, and it was. The Annie project, for which Markkula originally tried to recruit Raskin, was a thinly veiled reference to Little Annie Fanny, the well-endowed cartoon character (created by Harvey Kurtzman and Willy Elder) that regularly appeared in Playboy back then.

    It’s often reported that Raskin misspelled the name of his favourite variety of apples, but that’s unlikely given that he was manager of publications. "I intentionally changed the spelling," insists Raskin. "I’m a pretty good speller. Writing is one of the things I do well. The name of the apple is McIntosh. I thought that would lead us to a conflict with McIntosh Laboratory, the hi-fi manufacturer. So I used the spelling Macintosh, figuring that if it conflicted with the overcoat, who cares?"

    Unfortunately, the slight spelling change wasn’t enough to keep Apple in the clear. When Apple attempted to trademark the name Macintosh in 1982, the request was denied because it phonetically infringed on the trademark already owned by McIntosh Laboratory (www.mcintoshlabs.com), which operated at the very high end of the high-fidelity food chain.
     
  199. @Anonymous
    "The Billionaire Pedophile Who Could Bring Down Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton"

    "Trump’s supporters have long wondered whether he’d use billionaire sicko Jeffrey Epstein as ammo against the Clintons—until a lurid new lawsuit accused The Donald of raping one of Epstein’s girls himself."

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

    For Jeffrey Epstein and his famous friends, the Aughts were a simpler time, when the businessmen, academics, and celebrities who counted themselves among the playboy philanthropist’s inner circle could freely enjoy the fruits of his extreme wealth and connections.

    Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes. Socialites and distinguished scientists went to visit Epstein’s island in St. Thomas, and cavorted at epic dinner parties at his palatial townhouse—then the largest privately owned residence in New York, as he liked to brag. There, they picked at elaborate meals catered by celebrity chefs like Rocco DiSpirito, marvelled at Epstein’s opulent decor, and noted the pack of very, very young model-types with whom Epstein always seemed to surround himself.

    But a darker story was going on underneath the glamour. In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting sex from an underage girl and quietly paid settlements to scores of alleged victims who said he serially molested them. But the girls kept coming out of the woodwork—in 2014, another young woman filed a lawsuit claiming that Epstein used her as a sex slave for his powerful friends—and that she’d been at parties on his private island with former President Clinton.

    And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13.

    Trump has denied Jane Doe’s claims and his reps have said he barely knew Epstein—even though New York media in the ’90s regularly chronicled his comings-and-goings at Epstein’s Upper East Side palace, and even though Epstein had 14 private numbers for Trump and his family in his little black book. Meanwhile, Bill and Hillary Clinton have remained mum about their ties to the Palm Beach pedophile—despite evidence that shows Bill was one of the most famous and frequent passengers on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” and that Epstein donated money to the Clinton Foundation even after his conviction.

    For months, talking heads have wondered whether Trump would use Epstein and his girls as a weapon against Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Now, with the latest federal lawsuit against Trump himself, it seems the notorious financier has become a serious liability for both campaigns.
     

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Cade, @Forbes, @Jus' Sayin'...

    At least the second time this off-topic Daily Least article has been posted in comments at iSteve.

  200. @ScarletNumber
    @Chrisnonymous


    exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics
     
    This isn't a good euphemism; it's a GREAT one.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonym

    Like Trump, I’ll take the T, the A, but you can keep the hirsutism.

  201. Hepp says:
    @stillCARealist
    @Hepp

    true enough. I do wonder if polite society even knows about Christian schools and colleges. Do they have any idea how far away many churches are from what the reigning sexual orthodoxy is?

    Replies: @Hepp

    Yes, two more stories just today. Christian Mingle has to facilitate homosexual relationships, and Mississippi can’t even pass a law allowing Christians freedom of conscience. Not only does the Constitution not protect Christians anymore, now it actually mandates the violation of their rights.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/01/christianmingle-must-include-gays-judge-rules/

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/01/judge-nukes-law-to-protect-florists-and-bakers-from-serving-gay-weddings/

    Those saying “oh, now that they’ve won the gay and trans stuff, what will they do next?” have no idea how bad it can get.

  202. @Brutusale
    @Arclight

    Indeed. I've already seen shaming toward people who bought purebred dogs because they didn't "rescue" some pooch.

    Pets are the new children. Our culture deserves to die.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Old fogey

    If you ever watch HGTV you know that nowadays many young couples buy houses mainly on the basis of how much their dog or dogs would enjoy the new property. The first time I saw this view displayed I was amazed. It is now commonplace.

  203. @Anonym
    @SFG

    Say Brad Pitt or Al Pacino dates a hundred supermodels. That then depletes the pool of supermodels

    They don't generally date them simultaneously, but serially. So while Brad has Angelina, Jennifer Anniston is free to enjoy menopause with whomever she wants to. Also, Gwyneth is free to have children named Apple with Coldplay guy. But it's when Brad can collect Angelina, Jennifer and Gwyneth on a marital kebab, that's when the guys down the chain start having to settle for less or even their hand for that matter.

    Replies: @Ken

    He can have that collection of bat shit crazy broads.

  204. Leftist conservative [AKA "corporate slave wandering down fluorescent hallway"] says: • Website

    Hillary’s finger on Huma’s nuclear button

  205. @Hepp
    No, they're not even close to finished with the gay and trans stuff.

    First, most states don't even have anti-discrimination laws based on these characteristics. Courts will start mandating them if they can't get a federal law soon.

    Then there's shutting down Christian schools by taking away their accreditation. Basically every Christian institution will have to change or be buried.

    Tax exempt status could be in danger.

    I'm amazed by how the new concept of "gay rights" is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there's still a lot more that they can do.

    A good article on what's coming:

    http://theweek.com/articles/632613/dark-pessimism-american-christians

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Bobzilla, @This Is Our Home, @Anonymous

    I’m amazed by how the new concept of “gay rights” is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there’s still a lot more that they can do.

    I guess this is actually pretty easy to accomplish when you consider that most people (including Christians) spend most of their time attending Lucifer’s Church, a.k.a. The Television. It also makes it all the much easier when the vast majority of the people have no comprehension of the history /instituions / freedoms you speak of. Most of the so-called Christians really aren’t that upset about the gay agenda. Mark my word. In the not too distant future you will see almost all Churches tripping over themselves to show the world how tolerant and receptive they are of homosexuality. Most of the churches will even support homosexual marriage.

    • Replies: @Bobzilla
    @Bobzilla


    I guess this is actually pretty easy to accomplish when you consider that most people (including Christians) spend most of their time attending Lucifer's Church, a.k.a. The Television. It also makes it all the much easier when the vast majority of the people have no comprehension of the history /instituions / freedoms you speak of. Most of the so-called Christians really aren't that upset about the gay agenda. Mark my word. In the not too distant future you will see almost all Churches tripping over themselves to show the world how tolerant and receptive they are of homosexuality. Most of the churches will even support homosexual marriage.
     
    To continue... We can know this because we've been down this path before only it was racial equality instead of homosexual equality. In fact almost every argument made for homosexual equality is a variant or out-and-out appropriation of an argument for racial "equality". Prior to the civil-rights movement of the 60s most Christians were completely comfortable with the notion of separate but equal (or some variant / close approximation thereof). Post civil-rights revolution, brought to the homes of Americans and Christians via Lucifer's Church, these same people couldn't line up fast enough to get on board the new civil-rights love train. Exact same thing happened when the Feminist revolution came along. Now, almost all churches, even the Evangelical / Pentecostal fully embrace the Feminist agenda (sans the abortion aspect... to which I would add, most churches aren't that involved in the pro-life movement anymore.).
    , @dfordoom
    @Bobzilla


    Most of the churches will even support homosexual marriage.
     
    The churches will accept the whole SJW agenda, no matter how extreme it gets. If you're looking for some group that will offer resistance to the SJW madness you can forget Christianity. It's finished. It has become a religion for women and girly-men.
  206. @syonredux
    @Fredrik


    What makes you think this will be something women don’t like? What’s bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?
     
    If guys like Sheldon Adelson get the right to have a few dozen wives, things will be very bad for middle class men....

    Replies: @5371, @iSteveFan, @RadicalCenter

    Speaking of Adelson when is he going to stat to contribute the $100 million he supposedly pledged to help get Trump elected?

    • Replies: @Lot
    @iSteveFan


    Speaking of Adelson when is he going to stat to contribute the $100 million he supposedly pledged to help get Trump elected?
     
    He cannot make a contribution that large to Trump's campaign. It will have to be to a superpac.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

  207. @Lamb
    @Warner

    My guess is that this is actually quite rare.

    Have you ever seen this happen in real life (and not in porn / literature)? Humans are pretty smart. Wouldn't the beta orbiter realize pretty quickly that he's being taken advantage of?

    Replies: @Warner, @Forbes, @guest

    There’s a reason they’re referred to as a ‘beta orbiter’–they put up with being taken advantage of. I’ve seen it often in NYC, where you’ll meet a couple out socializing–the guy describes the girl as his best friend, meanwhile the girl is dating/sleeping with someone else. The guy earnestly hopes the girl will change her mind and date him–she doesn’t want to change the existing terms of their relationship. Women like this use men as meal tickets–the guys are paying for the privilege of the woman’s company. Pathetic.

  208. @Anonymous
    Focusing on polygamy would be too difficult since even the most insane of feminists would be able to sense that it isn't exactly great for women (if they all marry the 10/10 billionaires even they would have a hard time providing for them all). Instead they'll try and pretend polyandry is anything other than borderline nonexistent and talk about how "empowering" it is for the woman since she can have an alpha to fuck her and a beta to change the diapers. Obviously any criticism of this will elicit shrieks and cries of "Misogyny! How dare men want loyal monogamous wives!"

    Replies: @Forbes

    Yup–>”How dare men want loyal monogamous wives!”

  209. @Bobzilla
    @Hepp


    I’m amazed by how the new concept of “gay rights” is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there’s still a lot more that they can do.
     
    I guess this is actually pretty easy to accomplish when you consider that most people (including Christians) spend most of their time attending Lucifer's Church, a.k.a. The Television. It also makes it all the much easier when the vast majority of the people have no comprehension of the history /instituions / freedoms you speak of. Most of the so-called Christians really aren't that upset about the gay agenda. Mark my word. In the not too distant future you will see almost all Churches tripping over themselves to show the world how tolerant and receptive they are of homosexuality. Most of the churches will even support homosexual marriage.

    Replies: @Bobzilla, @dfordoom

    I guess this is actually pretty easy to accomplish when you consider that most people (including Christians) spend most of their time attending Lucifer’s Church, a.k.a. The Television. It also makes it all the much easier when the vast majority of the people have no comprehension of the history /instituions / freedoms you speak of. Most of the so-called Christians really aren’t that upset about the gay agenda. Mark my word. In the not too distant future you will see almost all Churches tripping over themselves to show the world how tolerant and receptive they are of homosexuality. Most of the churches will even support homosexual marriage.

    To continue… We can know this because we’ve been down this path before only it was racial equality instead of homosexual equality. In fact almost every argument made for homosexual equality is a variant or out-and-out appropriation of an argument for racial “equality”. Prior to the civil-rights movement of the 60s most Christians were completely comfortable with the notion of separate but equal (or some variant / close approximation thereof). Post civil-rights revolution, brought to the homes of Americans and Christians via Lucifer’s Church, these same people couldn’t line up fast enough to get on board the new civil-rights love train. Exact same thing happened when the Feminist revolution came along. Now, almost all churches, even the Evangelical / Pentecostal fully embrace the Feminist agenda (sans the abortion aspect… to which I would add, most churches aren’t that involved in the pro-life movement anymore.).

  210. My bet is that there will be a push to normalize “welfare” so to entirely disconnect women from men other than the money that can and must be extracted through taxes or the court system. Right now, public assistance is done on a means tested basis as a way of fighting “poverty”. The proponents try to appeal to societies genuine sympathies or pretend that it is some kind of investment in the future. Pretty soon, the majority of the population will be dependent and will consider it an undisputed right and not have to pretend that it is anything but a transfer.

    In theory it is supposed to be temporary but most women, particularly women of color, end of never really getting off of it. Universal health insurance so someone else picks up the tab, cash assistance, WIC, and section 8 will be made to equal the private standard of living which will be dragged down by taxes. For those women who still insist on working there will be affirmative action, government jobs, and discrimination laws to make sure they are not distressed. The opposition will make the Tea Party look like Boy Scouts.

  211. @Lugash
    I'm leaning towards social acceptance of female unfaithfullness. There have been a few commercials featuring a male/female couple that have male interloper in an intimate moment or place.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Mr bob, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lugash

    Yep, that’s the most blatant one. Thanks for posting the one about not having kids. No-babies is one of the other big pushes against White America.

  212. @Astorian
    Here's a prediction: before long, the media will start coming down HARD on straight men who won't date trans women.

    One of these days, match.com or some similar service will fix up a straight male with a Deirdre McCloskey or a Caitlyn Jenner. He'll complain publicly, "Damn it, I asked for women, and you set me up with a dude!"

    And the poor guy will be vilified all over the world. He'll be hounded and cursed, called a hater and a bigot, merely because he prefers girls without a penis. He'll be told, "She IS a woman, you creep, and you'd BETTER sleep with her, if you know what's good for you."

    Most heterosexuals think this is all about "live and let live." It's not. Males who won't date transvestites will soon find themselves under attack.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @Forbes

    I’ve long said, regarding gays (and now trans), that tolerance wouldn’t be sufficient social accommodation. The next obvious step was endorsement, i.e. you couldn’t feign indifference, you had to be in favor SSM. And of course, endorsement is not sufficient acceptance. Now you must celebrate gays and trans. That won’t be sufficient, either.

    In order to prove acceptance, you’ll be expected to engage in gay and trans sex. Cuz there’s nothing wrong with it–it’s completely normal…

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Forbes

    I was waiting in a doctor's office yesterday and picked up the Style section of the Washington Post. There were no fewer than four homo articles in its 8 pages. Tolerance is no longer enough; you must celebrate!

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clifford Brown

  213. @The most deplorable one
    Meanwhile, the Austrian High Court thinks the absentee votes were fishy.

    https://www.rt.com/news/349106-austria-president-election-cancelled/

    Can't the elites get away with anything these days?

    Replies: @Forbes, @RadicalCenter

    Can’t the elites get away with anything these days?

    Well, the prog-left keeps trying. Getting caught doesn’t appear to stop the relentless efforts to get away with what they can.

  214. @whorefinder
    @Lugash

    Yeah, see my comment as well. Female sluttiness is now "normalized" before she marries. I think the idea that women might become "occasionally" escort to pay a few bills will go from the lurid tales of late-night Skinemax to something every girl's sluttiest friend does "and it's just normal, don't judge her!"

    Replies: @L Woods, @Hippolytus

    Although, the male client will of course be judged with utmost harshness.

  215. biz says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm skeptical of your prediction, Steve. Here's why:

    Polygyny is eugenic. The common denominator of all these progressive causes is that they are dysgenic for Whites.

    Replies: @biz, @guest, @syonredux

    Polygyny is eugenic. The common denominator of all these progressive causes is that they are dysgenic for Whites.

    Polygyny is eugenic for which traits? Size, physical aggressiveness, and paranoia are the ones that come to mind. I don’t think the harem / scarcity scenario is eugenic for traits such as stable family formation, delayed gratification time horizon, etc.

  216. @inertial
    My guess is that the next frontier will be public nudity followed by public sex.

    First battles of the WWN are being fought as we speak. All they need now is an invention of a SJW-friendly identity and they'll have it in the bag.

    Replies: @blankmisgivings, @Georg E

    Public nudity was tried in Germany back in the 70’s but didn’t really stick, and that in a nation with a lot fewer hangups about body image. Today’s crop of American high school kids doesn’t even want to be naked in front of each other in the gym locker room. To this type, nudity is just a way to not measure up to the equine standards of the ubiquitous porniverse, where 99% of men will always come up short.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @Georg E

    That's true, but then great majority of people are not gay not to mention transsexual. You only need 0.001%.

  217. @Diversity Heretic
    @Richard

    Didn't a 1970-era movie, Wild in the Streets, feature a lowering of the voting age to 14? Personally, I'd like to see it raised to 25 or even 28, and coupled with literacy and property-ownership tests.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Didn’t a 1970-era movie, Wild in the Streets, feature a lowering of the voting age to 14? Personally, I’d like to see it raised to 25 or even 28, and coupled with literacy and property-ownership tests.

    How about restricting the vote to married women who have given birth and to married men who have served in the armed forces?

    Divorce means permanent loss of voting rights.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @syonredux

    "How about restricting the vote to married women who have given birth and to married men who have served in the armed forces?

    Divorce means permanent loss of voting rights."

    Too many loopholes. I'd want the right to vote also contingent on no loss of child custody, no felony convictions, no being on welfare or Section 8, no dishonorable discharges.

  218. @Jack D
    @Whiskey

    The real action now is between female adults (usually teachers) and teenage boys. There have been dozens of arrests and probably most are never caught - the boys don't usually mind (to say the least) and unless they accidentally spill the beans it never comes to light.

    Male teachers are usually restrained by the thought that if they are caught they will be doing major time (decades perhaps) but the women usually get off pretty lightly plus they are operating on tingles and not on with their brains anyway.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Whiskey, @Forbes

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/crime-courts/former-northwest-middle-teacher-admits-sexual-relationship-with-14-year-old-student-367f9477-d0b3-04-385042271.html

    28-yearold female middle school teacher, gets 10 years probation for 28 felony sex counts with 14-year old boy.

    What are the chances, with roles reversed, a male teacher receives probation?

  219. @advancedatheist
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.
     
    I agree with that. When a guy like Leo DiCaprio can load up his yacht with a few dozen women he has all to himself, that condemns a few dozen men to some lonely nights.

    Replies: @carol, @Alec Leamas, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    Advanced, I don’t know you but I doubt that you or most guys here would have a shot at the women that DiCaprio stocks on board his yacht. But if you are just looking for a hook up I suggest overweight girls. I had a married friend who only cheated with chunky girls. His quote…”Fat girls like to f**k too.”

    • Replies: @guest
    @Buffalo Joe

    I remember him being with Gisele Bundchen, who resembles a male-to-female transsexual. Every supermodel tells stories about how they were made fun of in grade school, and I believe them. There were plenty enough man-women who weren't whisked away to fame and fortune in Homoland running around your high school. You could've had some. Regular Joes can certainly find unfamous, unrich versions of Gisele. If they don't, it's because they're ugly and they don't want them.

    Guys like DiCaprio, who'd do well with the ladies with or without fame and money, are either: a) homos, or b) picking purely on the basis of status. There is a cachet to Gisele types, I'll admit, at least beyond a certain caste level. Just like there's a chase in the lowest classes for women with giant asses. But while freaks are uncommon, there are a lot more ways to be ugly than to be beautiful. So there's plenty chance for normal men to catch the sort of freaks rich and famous men currently indulge in.

    Maybe the rest of DiCaprio's stable is a bastion of glorious femininity, and Gisele was aberrant. In which case I withdraw my argument. But it does apply to other powerful men.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe

  220. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    Is “compersion” like when you high-five a buddy for gettin’ some? I think rather most cuckolds feel shame and humiliation. If you’re the woman, you feel jealousy, of the woman enjoying your man, or pride, knowing you have a an enjoyable man.

  221. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lugash

    Old lesbian Jon Bon Jovi currently cast in Grey New York’s DirecTV ads: Hilarious cucking, and whites who would be better off not spawning.

    Here is Grey’s former creative director serenading his boss. Bunch of freaks.

    Bonus: pedophilic “Adobe Stock” upper banner ad currently in rotation on Adweek’s site. (It’s a suggestively cropped redo of Caravaggio’s Saint Matthew and the Angel.) Everything’s coming up iSteve!

    Replies: @Forbes

    The Direct-TV ad with JBJ is positively bizarre. Who can possibly be the target audience?

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Forbes

    Not to go FullWhiskey, but women who hate their beta male partners.

    , @Whiskey
    @Forbes

    Most married or cohabitating women. Who had to settle when they could not keep/land the bad boy for commitment. All that choice just makes women bitter, far more bitter and angry than women who had far more limited choice and could not sample bad boys but then not keep them.

    Expect more of that, I'm sure the commercial does well with the market: women. Or course enough of that and most beta males will simply out and go full sexbot or whatever. Leaving women in "soft" harems with the local drug dealer, or what have you, but not support or protection.

    For now those resources are fine, but bets on how long that lasts?

  222. @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Joseph Smith was, I think, exactly what Revilo Oliver said he was: a small time grifter who struck into the Long Con like the proverbial mosquito hitting an artery in Gary Larson's "Far Side" cartoon.

    He had the good luck, from the historical point of view, to be killed off at just the right time.

    Brigham Young, however, was a much more formidable figure. If Saddam Hussein had had twenty more IQ points and a little better education, he would have been much like Young.

    Young was a nation-builder. He failed in establishing a sovereign nation, but he did build a nation within a nation. I've always thought it was unfortunate he didn't get somehow to (what was in better days known as ) Rhodesia, a more verdant land than Utah, and equally empty in the 1830s. He and his Mormons could have attracted, perhaps, many English, German, and Scandinavian peoples as well as perhaps siphoned off some of the better Boer stock, and by the supefecundity Mormons were famous for until recent times, packed it full of White farmers and workers. There were very few if any blacks in Rhodesia then, and the Mormons would have been neither as needful of importing black hired help nor as inclined to do so as the English were. Deseret-on-the-Zambezi would have been magnificent, probably rivalling Switzerland by now as a wealthy, productive White country.

    Even as it is, the Mormon Nation is pretty remarkable. It is many orders of magnitude more successful than Scientology. Whereas Scientology has nothing of real institutional value besides a few somewhat impressive buildings and the loyalty of a few movie stars: Mormonism has a thoroughly respectable university, dozens of legitimate scientists, and thousands, even tens of thousands of members thoroughly embedded in the structure of the United States government, at levels Israel can only fantasize about. All branches of the US military, including US Navy submariners, SEALs and aviators: the FBI (most famously) and NSA, CIA, DEA, every other law enforcement agency: the US House and Senate, and the legislatures of most states-the list is enormous. Mormons also hold high government positions in many other countries.

    Scientology has produced no serious institutions of learning nor any contribution to any science, art or technology whatever acknowledged by anyone but Scientologists. It has no scientists, no doctors, no military leaders (unless you count the farcical Sea Organization as a military entity). For all its bank accounts, nothing. It has lawyers, true, but then so does the mob and every major motorcycle club of the one percenter variety.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @Curle, @Neil Templeton

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalding%E2%80%93Rigdon_theory_of_Book_of_Mormon_authorship

    Solomon Spalding wrote the historical romance that Sidney Rigdon used as the template for the BOM. Smith was illiterate and simply performed the con.

  223. @whorefinder
    I would look at declining Rome, declining Ottoman empire, and others for clues. The one difference is that the Left has sought to take the select decadent behavior of the few rich/powerful of these times and enshrine them into law as rights for all.

    I would say the next step is the decriminalization and destigmatization of prostitution (or, conversely, shifting law enforcement to arresting johns and letting the prostitutes off the hook, so to speak). Brothels tended to flourish in those times, and we've already seen the normalization of porn march ever forward. I believe the Roman Emperor Augustus's own daughter had a competition with a famous prostitute over who could please the most men.

    These kinds of behaviors all seem to occur in history when there are more men than women in a given society, allowing women, as the rarer resource during those times, to call the shots/have their cake and eat it too.

    In the Old West, for example, the few number of single women versus men meant that women could make a really good career out of being a prostitute and then find some schlub to marry her when she was past her prime. The aggressive nature of prostitutes in that time is fascinating to look at---they bought ads in local papers proudly advertising themselves as "the best cuts of meat around."

    It was only when more women started moving out to the now-tamed Western towns that prostitution became criminalized and stigmatized. A guy didn't have to settle for some used up hooker, he could get a girl who hadn't worked in a saloon, and he didn't have to pay for her.

    And now, since there was now more competition for good men, the women in a town couldn't expect to just whore themselves out for a huge profit and still get married, and other, married women wanted to shut down brothels because they were avenues for their men to cheat on them and leave them---and thus, after shutting them down, secure more of the men's loyalty through restriction of sexual options.

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Buffalo Joe, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Whorefindre, Appropriate name for your comment. I had a book about the “Dance Hall Ladies” of the Old West, fascinating reading. Women who controlled their destiny while being, well, whores. Men searching desperately for a gold mine, and women sitting on theirs. I think my wife threw the book out, but I can look at my collection in the attic if you are interested in the book.

  224. @Buffalo Joe
    @advancedatheist

    Advanced, I don't know you but I doubt that you or most guys here would have a shot at the women that DiCaprio stocks on board his yacht. But if you are just looking for a hook up I suggest overweight girls. I had a married friend who only cheated with chunky girls. His quote..."Fat girls like to f**k too."

    Replies: @guest

    I remember him being with Gisele Bundchen, who resembles a male-to-female transsexual. Every supermodel tells stories about how they were made fun of in grade school, and I believe them. There were plenty enough man-women who weren’t whisked away to fame and fortune in Homoland running around your high school. You could’ve had some. Regular Joes can certainly find unfamous, unrich versions of Gisele. If they don’t, it’s because they’re ugly and they don’t want them.

    Guys like DiCaprio, who’d do well with the ladies with or without fame and money, are either: a) homos, or b) picking purely on the basis of status. There is a cachet to Gisele types, I’ll admit, at least beyond a certain caste level. Just like there’s a chase in the lowest classes for women with giant asses. But while freaks are uncommon, there are a lot more ways to be ugly than to be beautiful. So there’s plenty chance for normal men to catch the sort of freaks rich and famous men currently indulge in.

    Maybe the rest of DiCaprio’s stable is a bastion of glorious femininity, and Gisele was aberrant. In which case I withdraw my argument. But it does apply to other powerful men.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    I do not find Giselle attractive and was surprised that Tom Brady married her. His former girlfriend Bridget Moynahan was much hotter.

    How do you embed images here? Does html work?

    Replies: @guest, @Anonym, @Brutusale

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @guest

    Guest, You use "regular Joes" in the same sentence as "ugly", but no offense taken. I remember chatting up a girl in my single days and I thought I was making progress toward the promised land until she told me..."Joe, you're charming and funny, but I prefer my men to be rich or good looking, and you're about six million dollars shy of being good looking."

    Replies: @guest

  225. @Warner
    @Earl of Monahan


    Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males
     
    In fact, being 2016, what you're more likely to get is a megaslut taken care of by some beta orbiters, inseminated by the Alpha boyfriend who only shows up occasionally while an omega stays around to cuck out and do slave labor the betas can't even be bothered with. The woman will call it the many flavors of love.

    If you want polyamorous communities who are eager to talk to the media, this is who you get, and they have a relatively TV-friendly theme: 1. Love Wins. 2. Who am I to judge?

    Polygamous Mormons won't even be part of the conversation. Polyamory is all over the West Coast.

    Replies: @Lamb, @Yak-15, @Earl of Monahan, @guest

    That alpha male boyfriend will have more than one slut to inseminate, however. It occurs to me, pick-up artists, game theorists, or whatever you call them, are always mocking traditional moralists for being as foolish as feminists for thinking contemporary sexual politics hurt women. But it’s clear to me that they’re thinking of what alphas do to sluts and normal women alike, not what sluts do to betas or all women do to sub-betas.

    Women are far, far freer to be abused by sexually successful males than before (non-violently, I mean). Feminists and traditionalists are right about that. They’re wronger about the whole picture, you could say, in that men lost much more than women lost.

  226. @spandrell
    Polygamy doesn't quite fit the underdog narrative, does it?

    Poor little homos were discriminated... well yeah.
    Poor little trannies were discriminated... well of course.

    Poor little rich alpha men with 4 wives were discriminated... huh?
    It doesn't quite work like that. You don't get holy pokemon points by rooting for some greedy dude with multiple wives.

    There are many homosexuals in politics, and they feel very strongly about their right to have sex without consequences; and so they got that. There are an astonishingly large amount of pedophiles in politics; and they every now and then push for society to allow their perversion: but it doesn't fit the underdog narrative. A grown man trying to screw a young child just doesn't fly. It's impossible to get holy pokemon points by arguing to allow the sexual exploitation of children.

    So no polygamy, no pedophilia. I say it's animal rights: you do get holy pokemon points by caring about cutesy furry animals.
    It's either that or Sanders' communism redux.

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @Monopthalmus

    I’d also question whether that many males would actually lose out under legalised polygamy anyway. Most women don’t like to share and prefer a moderately masculine man they can boss around a bit. Hence, while majority of women would still date beta males and demand exclusivity of them, the bimbos, sluts and bisexuals would rush off and join alpha male harems.

    If polygamy was legalised, we might not need benefits for solo mothers, as all the loose women would be part of alpha harems. Why date a black drug dealer when you can be part of a CEOs harem? The big problem would be that underclass men would struggle to find anyone to date. This would be good from a eugenic perspective, but might be bad news from a law and order perspective.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @unpc downunder

    unpc, I think you are on to something and the try out will be on a reality TV show.

  227. @Lamb
    @Warner

    My guess is that this is actually quite rare.

    Have you ever seen this happen in real life (and not in porn / literature)? Humans are pretty smart. Wouldn't the beta orbiter realize pretty quickly that he's being taken advantage of?

    Replies: @Warner, @Forbes, @guest

    It’s quite common, actually. Think about how much money men spend at strip clubs and on whores, for instance, when they could get it for free. Ah, but they can’t get it for free. Or at least not consistently. “Sugardaddies” operate according to the same mindset. I leave it to you to decide which is more pathetic.

  228. @Forbes
    @Astorian

    I've long said, regarding gays (and now trans), that tolerance wouldn't be sufficient social accommodation. The next obvious step was endorsement, i.e. you couldn't feign indifference, you had to be in favor SSM. And of course, endorsement is not sufficient acceptance. Now you must celebrate gays and trans. That won't be sufficient, either.

    In order to prove acceptance, you'll be expected to engage in gay and trans sex. Cuz there's nothing wrong with it--it's completely normal...

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I was waiting in a doctor’s office yesterday and picked up the Style section of the Washington Post. There were no fewer than four homo articles in its 8 pages. Tolerance is no longer enough; you must celebrate!

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @Jim Don Bob

    The NYTimes has "style" sections in the paper on Thursdays and Sundays - we all know what they are - but that's not enough because pretty nearly every day there will be a story in the paper lauding someone gay or lesbian. It really is pathetic.

    , @Clifford Brown
    @Jim Don Bob

    Who else do you think cares about Style? Especially in Washington DC.

  229. @countenance
    I'm guessing World War P (pedophilia/pederasty), World War H (Hebephilia), or World War Z (Zoophilia) slash World War B (Bestiality).

    If it is going to be World War (Non-Binary Marriage Equality), then there's a ready made group that's right in their wheelhouse: [Omitted]

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'...

    The campaign has already started: See (or better just read about) the movie Ted II! Notice how this is nicely positioned as the advance attack on Normals that will allow further advances on any of a number of different fronts.

    I truly do feel sorry for homosexuals, lesbians, and people with other similar diseases. Such persons are disconnected from normal society on an existential level that is unbridgeable and uncorrectable. As a result, or perhaps just as an inevitable part of the syndromes that afflict them, these persons are far more prone to a wide variety of other mental and physical ailments. Their average expectation of life is much shorter than that of normal human beings. It is unfortunate that some choose to glamorize these sad conditions – for whatever reasons – rather than work to research their causes and perhaps someday eradicate their existence.

  230. @guest
    @Buffalo Joe

    I remember him being with Gisele Bundchen, who resembles a male-to-female transsexual. Every supermodel tells stories about how they were made fun of in grade school, and I believe them. There were plenty enough man-women who weren't whisked away to fame and fortune in Homoland running around your high school. You could've had some. Regular Joes can certainly find unfamous, unrich versions of Gisele. If they don't, it's because they're ugly and they don't want them.

    Guys like DiCaprio, who'd do well with the ladies with or without fame and money, are either: a) homos, or b) picking purely on the basis of status. There is a cachet to Gisele types, I'll admit, at least beyond a certain caste level. Just like there's a chase in the lowest classes for women with giant asses. But while freaks are uncommon, there are a lot more ways to be ugly than to be beautiful. So there's plenty chance for normal men to catch the sort of freaks rich and famous men currently indulge in.

    Maybe the rest of DiCaprio's stable is a bastion of glorious femininity, and Gisele was aberrant. In which case I withdraw my argument. But it does apply to other powerful men.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe

    I do not find Giselle attractive and was surprised that Tom Brady married her. His former girlfriend Bridget Moynahan was much hotter.

    How do you embed images here? Does html work?

    • Replies: @guest
    @Jim Don Bob

    Moynahan was a model, too, and has the body type, but she is more attractive and less masculine than Gisele. I don't know how to explain Tom Brady, except by the same options I allowed for DiCaprio: homo (or bisexual) or status-seeker. Would the Richard Burton of today pass by Elizabeth Taylor in favor of an actress just this side of Bruce Jenner? Maybe.

    , @Anonym
    @Jim Don Bob

    As for Giselle, her ass is defective and her figure resembles a surf board.

    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/566003/Gisele-Bundchen-bikini-body-Tom-Brady-holiday-Costa-Rica

    Some people like that sort of thing, but they are the exception. Maybe Brady has gay tendencies, or he is the sort of rich person that likes to choose things based on their price/status and not their functionality.

    Replies: @guest, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Former Darfur, @candid_observer

    , @Brutusale
    @Jim Don Bob

    The guys on this blog crack me up!

    "Manly" Giselle Bundchen says she wants to have 6-8 kids. She's the most monetarily-successful woman in modeling history. She found an alpha guys who wants the same things she does. She got abuse in the press for forcefully defending her man after a Super Bowl loss. Most importantly, she's done nothing but treat her man's son with Moynahan like anything but her own son, something the other tramp acknowledges.

    "Womanly" Bridget Moynahan, on the other hand, has the one kid because she surreptitiously pulled the goalie on Brady. She finally married at age 45; it looks like she's one and done in the kid department.

    Maybe Giselle is more manly then Bridget, 'cause she sure is smarter!

    But Bundchen appears in press photos breastfeeding her kid while having her nails done, while Moynahan is in TV shows than your grandparents watch, so please carry on with the two-minutes hate!

    This was a gift a got from my girlfriend. Quite the hag...

    https://www.amazon.com/Gisele-Bundchen-pad-computer-mousepad/dp/B0135Y8KUO?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

    Replies: @guest

  231. @Lagertha
    So, no words can say how nutty and sane you sound to me tonight, you are truly, a nut bag of energy!

    I never even heard the word 'Polyamory' before, until 4-5 years ago when a very close friend's husband admitted that it was a good thing. And, weirdly, he was a brilliant man with unquestioned abilities in math and reasoning, skills with engines, and a crack computer coder. So yeah, I do think all the current elite female college U grads who can't find a husband, will totally "lean in" to a basement-dwelling, high IQ guy, to get a baby.

    The whole, freezing eggs things is kinda' icky to me...but, duh, I had my sons in my mid 30's with an actual male who was available, so I should be more charitable. It is a fact of life that there will be even more women in top positions than in my time, so, it is natural that there are not enough men who are still single , at 30-40, while the ladder climbing is happening by females.

    Ok, sort of OT, BUT: this is what bugs me about neo-liberals and Cultural Marxist Fascists: most immigrant groups despise women working in the Public Sphere...or just won't allow it. So, Polyamory has no weight since it means that the heads of MENA men will explode since women can decide who is the most worthy, no goat herders or losers for their spawn!.

    Replies: @guest

    But when women do pick losers. That’s what female empowerment amounts to. That’s also why our contemporary sexual politics are a danger to civilization.

  232. @syonredux
    @Fredrik


    What makes you think this will be something women don’t like? What’s bad with several of them having a family with the former quarterback?
     
    If guys like Sheldon Adelson get the right to have a few dozen wives, things will be very bad for middle class men....

    Replies: @5371, @iSteveFan, @RadicalCenter

    They will simply kill the rich guys hogging all the women. No number of security guards and fences etc. will save those guys in such a situation.

  233. @Anonymous
    "The Billionaire Pedophile Who Could Bring Down Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton"

    "Trump’s supporters have long wondered whether he’d use billionaire sicko Jeffrey Epstein as ammo against the Clintons—until a lurid new lawsuit accused The Donald of raping one of Epstein’s girls himself."

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

    For Jeffrey Epstein and his famous friends, the Aughts were a simpler time, when the businessmen, academics, and celebrities who counted themselves among the playboy philanthropist’s inner circle could freely enjoy the fruits of his extreme wealth and connections.

    Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes. Socialites and distinguished scientists went to visit Epstein’s island in St. Thomas, and cavorted at epic dinner parties at his palatial townhouse—then the largest privately owned residence in New York, as he liked to brag. There, they picked at elaborate meals catered by celebrity chefs like Rocco DiSpirito, marvelled at Epstein’s opulent decor, and noted the pack of very, very young model-types with whom Epstein always seemed to surround himself.

    But a darker story was going on underneath the glamour. In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting sex from an underage girl and quietly paid settlements to scores of alleged victims who said he serially molested them. But the girls kept coming out of the woodwork—in 2014, another young woman filed a lawsuit claiming that Epstein used her as a sex slave for his powerful friends—and that she’d been at parties on his private island with former President Clinton.

    And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13.

    Trump has denied Jane Doe’s claims and his reps have said he barely knew Epstein—even though New York media in the ’90s regularly chronicled his comings-and-goings at Epstein’s Upper East Side palace, and even though Epstein had 14 private numbers for Trump and his family in his little black book. Meanwhile, Bill and Hillary Clinton have remained mum about their ties to the Palm Beach pedophile—despite evidence that shows Bill was one of the most famous and frequent passengers on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” and that Epstein donated money to the Clinton Foundation even after his conviction.

    For months, talking heads have wondered whether Trump would use Epstein and his girls as a weapon against Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Now, with the latest federal lawsuit against Trump himself, it seems the notorious financier has become a serious liability for both campaigns.
     

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Cade, @Forbes, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Looks like the Clintons are recycling the old Dominique Strauss-Kahn con. It suits the slime they inhabit. But Trump is a street fighter and far more savvy than Strauss-Kahn. I would not be surprised if this backfires.

    • Replies: @EH
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    "... recycling the old Dominique Strauss-Kahn con."

    Can we call them Kahn-con girls? /cue music: "Orphée aux enfers"
    Is it really rape if she's Offenbach on her back?

  234. @iSteveFan
    @syonredux

    Speaking of Adelson when is he going to stat to contribute the $100 million he supposedly pledged to help get Trump elected?

    Replies: @Lot

    Speaking of Adelson when is he going to stat to contribute the $100 million he supposedly pledged to help get Trump elected?

    He cannot make a contribution that large to Trump’s campaign. It will have to be to a superpac.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Lot

    I realize that. Has he made such a contribution?

  235. It’s gonna be polygamy and a lower voting age.

    Polygamy is inevitable whether the elites want it or not, because in order to legalize gay marriage they had to destroy all arguments that could have stood in the way of polygamy. I can see some feminists objecting, but they will be ignored much like feminists who object to Islam.

    Lowering the voting age will go through with hardly a ripple. Someone will say that 12-year-olds aren’t well informed enough to vote, and then Oprah or someone will say “That’s exactly what they used to say about blacks” and that’ll be that.

    The voting age will have to come down before pederasty gains any traction. It’s hard to argue that kids should be allowed to screw but not vote. (True, the age of consent is under 18 in places already.)

  236. @Arclight
    Legislation at the local and state level to allow green card holders to vote.

    Alternatively, judging by posts from my left-leaning friends on Facebook, the next push is for pets to be given the same moral standing as human children.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @RadicalCenter

    Dude, if someone thinks that his dog should have the same rights as your child, STOP BEING FRIENDS with him!

  237. @John Mansfield
    @Earl of Monahan

    Faulkner wrote that when a man sets up his best friend with his sister, he is committing two abominations by proxy.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Nonsense.

  238. @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    I do not find Giselle attractive and was surprised that Tom Brady married her. His former girlfriend Bridget Moynahan was much hotter.

    How do you embed images here? Does html work?

    Replies: @guest, @Anonym, @Brutusale

    Moynahan was a model, too, and has the body type, but she is more attractive and less masculine than Gisele. I don’t know how to explain Tom Brady, except by the same options I allowed for DiCaprio: homo (or bisexual) or status-seeker. Would the Richard Burton of today pass by Elizabeth Taylor in favor of an actress just this side of Bruce Jenner? Maybe.

  239. @The most deplorable one
    Meanwhile, the Austrian High Court thinks the absentee votes were fishy.

    https://www.rt.com/news/349106-austria-president-election-cancelled/

    Can't the elites get away with anything these days?

    Replies: @Forbes, @RadicalCenter

    If the UK ACTUALLY leaves the EU and the nationalist candidate is ACTUALLY allowed to win the Austrian election do-over and the German people rise up and remove Merkel and her gang and close the borders, then and only then will I start believing that the elites can’t get away with as much these days….

  240. @sansfoy
    I don't think there is an obvious next step. Nothing else quite fits with the narrative for one reason or another. Given how overprotective society is of children at the moment, the idea that there would be a push for the legalization of Greek-style abuse of children is just silly.

    What seems most likely is that progressivism will double down on environmental concerns, gun control, and the like for now, getting more and more rabid whenever they sense victory.

    Replies: @Hoyos, @RadicalCenter

    You mean “ANCIENT-Greek style”, right? Or is it accurate and fair to call current Greeks generally accepting of sexual abuse of children?

    “Afghan-style” or “Muslim-style” abuse of children might be more appropriate.

  241. @syonredux
    @Diversity Heretic


    Didn’t a 1970-era movie, Wild in the Streets, feature a lowering of the voting age to 14? Personally, I’d like to see it raised to 25 or even 28, and coupled with literacy and property-ownership tests.
     
    How about restricting the vote to married women who have given birth and to married men who have served in the armed forces?

    Divorce means permanent loss of voting rights.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “How about restricting the vote to married women who have given birth and to married men who have served in the armed forces?

    Divorce means permanent loss of voting rights.”

    Too many loopholes. I’d want the right to vote also contingent on no loss of child custody, no felony convictions, no being on welfare or Section 8, no dishonorable discharges.

  242. @whorefinder
    I would look at declining Rome, declining Ottoman empire, and others for clues. The one difference is that the Left has sought to take the select decadent behavior of the few rich/powerful of these times and enshrine them into law as rights for all.

    I would say the next step is the decriminalization and destigmatization of prostitution (or, conversely, shifting law enforcement to arresting johns and letting the prostitutes off the hook, so to speak). Brothels tended to flourish in those times, and we've already seen the normalization of porn march ever forward. I believe the Roman Emperor Augustus's own daughter had a competition with a famous prostitute over who could please the most men.

    These kinds of behaviors all seem to occur in history when there are more men than women in a given society, allowing women, as the rarer resource during those times, to call the shots/have their cake and eat it too.

    In the Old West, for example, the few number of single women versus men meant that women could make a really good career out of being a prostitute and then find some schlub to marry her when she was past her prime. The aggressive nature of prostitutes in that time is fascinating to look at---they bought ads in local papers proudly advertising themselves as "the best cuts of meat around."

    It was only when more women started moving out to the now-tamed Western towns that prostitution became criminalized and stigmatized. A guy didn't have to settle for some used up hooker, he could get a girl who hadn't worked in a saloon, and he didn't have to pay for her.

    And now, since there was now more competition for good men, the women in a town couldn't expect to just whore themselves out for a huge profit and still get married, and other, married women wanted to shut down brothels because they were avenues for their men to cheat on them and leave them---and thus, after shutting them down, secure more of the men's loyalty through restriction of sexual options.

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Buffalo Joe, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I believe the Roman Emperor Augustus’s own daughter had a competition with a famous prostitute over who could please the most men.

    That was actually Messalina, the wife of Claudius, the 4th Emperor of Rome.

  243. @Mr. Anon
    "What's Next?"

    I think pederasty is what they want, though they will have to be circumspect in how they go about normalizing it. The gays-in-the-boy-scouts campaign was a foreshadowing of that. Nothing would be a bigger slap at normal white men.

    Also in store: polyamory, complete normalization and public display of satanism, and compulsory mainstreaming of felons, and also of those with sexual diseases, as Kylie pointed out.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    I’ll risk jail or death or anything else to protect my children from sexual predators, no matter what the government says. The man who preys on my children won’t make it to trial.

  244. @Drog
    @SXIOPO

    Theory is always fun until it runs into reality.

    But let's play anyway.

    Men are possessive and territorial with their women, in a group. Men will share women, in a group, usually in serial-monogamist ways. For reference, think fraternities and sororities or social cliques. However, outsiders are not welcomed to have at the women unless they are invited.

    In mass societies like ours it is doubly doubtful that polyandry would be acceptable to men because it means letting in too many outsiders to run roughshod over their women. It is extremely doubtful that polyandry would ever be accepted unless it was some form of a strange demon-god cult led by a cuckold leader who somehow has Alpha traits to pull off such feats of charisma... AKA that shit ain't gonna happen.

    On the contrary, women would rather share one man than have one loser. And because today's society is making men useless (women labour participation rates, welfare, etc.) and unneeded (men turn to vidya, porn, etc.) more women will choose the top 10% than the bottom 90%. Women will delude themselves into thinking they can reign in his desires with their vagina and lock him down - lol. We all know what will really happen. This is the PUA-scenes dream scenario, his Islamic version of the 72 virgins.

    We will end up like a lot of stagnant late-cycle civilizations that have emasculated themselves (India) or will seek to vent those frustrations (Islam) on the outside world.

    Of course, we could easily prevent all this with RWDS, but that bridge isn't close enough to cross yet. Unfortunately.

    Replies: @e, @RadicalCenter

    What are PUA and RWDS?

    • Replies: @Drog
    @RadicalCenter

    Pick up aritists - roosh, heartiste, mystery, krauser
    Right wing death squads - no need to explain

  245. @SPMoore8
    @Richard

    The idea of lowering the voting age to 16 seems like an interesting win/win for SJW's. On the other hand, as the article points out, how can you lower the voting age to 16 when you just raised the age at which you can buy tobacco to 21? Driver's license at 16, OK, we got that. What about the age of sexual consent? The age to purchase and own firearms? The age where you can be tried as an adult? The age when you can buy alcohol? Drugs? This is just absurd enough that it might work.

    I will leave out the age when you can join the service because we already know nobody does that.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Voting age needs to be raised back to 21.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @RadicalCenter

    Make it 30, and leave women out.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  246. @Lot
    @iSteveFan


    Speaking of Adelson when is he going to stat to contribute the $100 million he supposedly pledged to help get Trump elected?
     
    He cannot make a contribution that large to Trump's campaign. It will have to be to a superpac.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    I realize that. Has he made such a contribution?

  247. What about ‘defence’?

    They can’t only attack. They have to defend, too.

    They’re beginning to sense that they’re just beginning to lose control over ‘the narrative’. Primarily because of the net.

    Control over ‘the narrative’ is the foundation upon which all else depends, so they absolutely must shift focus to re-gaining it, or they will start losing. They know this.

    They need to demonize, and ultimately criminalize, anonymous activity on the net.

    Not a trivial task, and they can’t do it by honest means, so a concerted campaign of demonization, false-flags, ‘hoaxes’ etc, will be required.

    Mobi

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Mobi

    They need to demonize, and ultimately criminalize, anonymous activity on the net.

    Not a trivial task, and they can’t do it by honest means, so a concerted campaign of demonization, false-flags, ‘hoaxes’ etc, will be required.


    If that's what they have to do they have already lost. Ten years ago I thought they would have the power and the sense to try to do this. At this stage, the genie is never going back in the bottle. All that can really be done is to create large single points of relative control, like facebook. But outside that, typing in a URL will still get you where you want to go. If I want to go to iSteve or Breitbart, no one's stopping me.

  248. @Georg E
    @inertial

    Public nudity was tried in Germany back in the 70's but didn't really stick, and that in a nation with a lot fewer hangups about body image. Today's crop of American high school kids doesn't even want to be naked in front of each other in the gym locker room. To this type, nudity is just a way to not measure up to the equine standards of the ubiquitous porniverse, where 99% of men will always come up short.

    Replies: @inertial

    That’s true, but then great majority of people are not gay not to mention transsexual. You only need 0.001%.

  249. Polygamy then being able to marry Dogs and Cats

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Sid Falco

    I look forward to being married to my father. He has a sweet estate and I'd like to avoid probate. My wife says she will be glad to be the best man. Can't be many months away.

  250. And as for what’s next, don’t forget to consider the ‘ritual humiliation of badwhites’ motive to all of this.

    What greater humiliation than to be forced to accept (or stand up and oppose, to be hammered down), the exposure of your own children to sexual predation?

    Good for gays (they don’t have’em, and want yours). Good for the growing army of SJWs who don’t have’em (and resent, and hate, you for yours). Good for the Epsteins, Polanskis, etc, who either don’t have’em or presume they can exempt and protect theirs better than the goy.

    Normalization of pedophilia is definitely in the pipeline. It’s much more representative of total victory than the others.

    Of course, for that reason, it might be too soon to be ‘the next step’.

  251. @kihowi
    No, it absolutely, positively will be pedophilia. Why? Because so many cool people were. Artists, poets, writers, rock&rollers.

    The people who are into bigamy are the uncool kind. With Muslims it will just be accepted silently, because it would be a distastefully lower-class thing to object to. The Christians will just remain a punchline.

    Pedophilia on the other hand, promises a long, satisfying battle. The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug. It presents great opportunities of feeling superior to the masses, of knowing that you're on the rational side, of building a wonderful victim narrative, and for a very long time!

    Imagine the snarking mileage you get out of first presenting pedophiles as the genetically disadvantaged who deserve our compassion, then as an oppressed victim group, then as equals and finally as our much more exiting, artistic superiors.

    As a bonus, it is already accepted among other victim groups like Muslims and homosexuals, and hated most by the enemy: conservative white fathers. Really, you couldn't wish for anything better as a 2050 18 year old.

    Replies: @The Millennial Falcon, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @dfordoom

    “Pedophilia on the other hand, promises a long, satisfying battle. The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug. It presents great opportunities of feeling superior to the masses, of knowing that you’re on the rational side, of building a wonderful victim narrative, and for a very long time!”

    That is a great point. Yes, World War T wasn’t really a war at all, but more of an easy and unearned Anschluss piggybacking off World War G.

  252. @Yak-15
    @Mr bob

    The dating scene is replete with stupid, SJW women who mindlessly follow the fickle flute of progressivism. However, once you have them it is easy to break them with reason. They are not used to confronting logical deduction, cold empirical evidence or complex reasoning. Or reality. Real world experience with the minority underclass outside of their suburban/university bubbles quickly changes their views on reality.

    I remember when I told my wife while we were dating about the realities of HBD and the unequal racial distribution of traits. She cried and said I was racist. But over time she has come to understand reality. It also helps that she teaches low income NAMs and is beginning to understand specific, real world examples of my points.

    It's hard to reconcile a tabla rosa view when certain segments of your class consistently underperform others and behavioral issues manifest themselves along similar distributions. This, despite some of the best minds tirelessly modifying and reworking curricula to adapt it to the NAMs.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Blank slate” in Latin is tabula rasa.

  253. @Jack D
    @Chrisnonymous

    I agree that the lawsuits are probably BS as they pertain to Trump (and for that matter Bill) but I didn't see any reference to 12 year olds, only 13. A girl who is 13 going on 14 might well have developed 2ndary sex characteristics. Women mature earlier than men and sometimes it can be hard to guess their age without a birth certificate, especially if the girl is dressed and has hair and makeup done in the style of someone older and she is mixed in a group with older women - we rely a lot on cues like that (which is also the reason why there have been cases where people much older have masqueraded as teenagers - undercover journalists attending high school, etc.). There have been a number of case of statutory rape where the man claimed that he was not aware that the girl was underage. Some of them may even be true. Donald may not be interest in jailbait, but like most men, he has shown a clear preference for women who are much younger than he is, especially his later trophy wives. Marla was 17 years younger than he was when he married her, Melanoma was 24 years younger.

    Replies: @fish

    Marla was 17 years younger than he was when he married her, Melanoma was 24 years younger.

    Worlds greatest autocorrect?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @fish

    Oops, sorry. My bad. I meant to type Messalina.

  254. @guest
    @Buffalo Joe

    I remember him being with Gisele Bundchen, who resembles a male-to-female transsexual. Every supermodel tells stories about how they were made fun of in grade school, and I believe them. There were plenty enough man-women who weren't whisked away to fame and fortune in Homoland running around your high school. You could've had some. Regular Joes can certainly find unfamous, unrich versions of Gisele. If they don't, it's because they're ugly and they don't want them.

    Guys like DiCaprio, who'd do well with the ladies with or without fame and money, are either: a) homos, or b) picking purely on the basis of status. There is a cachet to Gisele types, I'll admit, at least beyond a certain caste level. Just like there's a chase in the lowest classes for women with giant asses. But while freaks are uncommon, there are a lot more ways to be ugly than to be beautiful. So there's plenty chance for normal men to catch the sort of freaks rich and famous men currently indulge in.

    Maybe the rest of DiCaprio's stable is a bastion of glorious femininity, and Gisele was aberrant. In which case I withdraw my argument. But it does apply to other powerful men.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe

    Guest, You use “regular Joes” in the same sentence as “ugly”, but no offense taken. I remember chatting up a girl in my single days and I thought I was making progress toward the promised land until she told me…”Joe, you’re charming and funny, but I prefer my men to be rich or good looking, and you’re about six million dollars shy of being good looking.”

    • Replies: @guest
    @Buffalo Joe

    I meant the girls are ugly. As in, if Regular Joes don't get women like Gisele it's because those women are ugly and Regular Joes don't want them. I should have been more clear with my pronouns.

    I don't think it's possible for a Regular Joe to be ugly. They should be regular looking, by definition.

  255. CCR says:

    I agree incest will be the next battle but it will be over with quickly.

    Anyway, realistic and affordable sexbots will change the relations between the sexes so fundamentally that things like multiple marriage won’t even be important enough to fight about.

    Any male or female less than a 7 score on the 1-10 attractiveness scale won’t even bother with actual human sex partners.

    • Replies: @guest
    @CCR

    You can't procreate with a robot.

    Replies: @Jack D

  256. @unpc downunder
    @spandrell

    I'd also question whether that many males would actually lose out under legalised polygamy anyway. Most women don't like to share and prefer a moderately masculine man they can boss around a bit. Hence, while majority of women would still date beta males and demand exclusivity of them, the bimbos, sluts and bisexuals would rush off and join alpha male harems.

    If polygamy was legalised, we might not need benefits for solo mothers, as all the loose women would be part of alpha harems. Why date a black drug dealer when you can be part of a CEOs harem? The big problem would be that underclass men would struggle to find anyone to date. This would be good from a eugenic perspective, but might be bad news from a law and order perspective.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    unpc, I think you are on to something and the try out will be on a reality TV show.

  257. @Forbes
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Direct-TV ad with JBJ is positively bizarre. Who can possibly be the target audience?

    Replies: @Lugash, @Whiskey

    Not to go FullWhiskey, but women who hate their beta male partners.

  258. @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    I do not find Giselle attractive and was surprised that Tom Brady married her. His former girlfriend Bridget Moynahan was much hotter.

    How do you embed images here? Does html work?

    Replies: @guest, @Anonym, @Brutusale

    As for Giselle, her ass is defective and her figure resembles a surf board.

    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/566003/Gisele-Bundchen-bikini-body-Tom-Brady-holiday-Costa-Rica

    Some people like that sort of thing, but they are the exception. Maybe Brady has gay tendencies, or he is the sort of rich person that likes to choose things based on their price/status and not their functionality.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonym

    That article is of the "celebrity news" genre and written by a woman, so I don't expect much. But you get that sort of nonsense on male porn sites, too. And what is Gisele doing promoting lingerie, which theoretically is supposed to appeal to men?

    I understand that DiCaprio and Brady inhabit a different world than I, where rail-thin and androgynous looks are de rigueur. I also understand who runs high fashion, advertising, and mainstream pop culture. But why has homoerotic taste colonized regular men's minds? Why do they, too, find such alleged women sexy? I feel like a commie, resorting to theories of "false consciousness."

    , @dr kill
    @Anonym

    Is it too old-fashioned to suggest he loves her? Man, you people are even more cynical than I am. AoS First Law - if you see a relationship that makes no sense, it must be love.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonym

    , @Former Darfur
    @Anonym

    Moses and Jesus are too far back to speak of, inasmuch as there were no cameras, tape recorders, or gramophones then, or even surviving drawings. And we shall not speak of You Know Who, praise be unto him, since his followers get a little upset sometimes and loud explosions upset me in my old age.

    But certainly, Joseph Smith was a pussyhound in his day, and that was one of the complaints leveled at him and his fellow Mormons at the time.

    , @Former Darfur
    @Anonym

    Her figure in general and ass in particular are not of the caliber of Monroe, or Barbara Eden, or even the somewhat overrated Bettie Page in their primes, certainly. (Angie Dickinson was up there too.) But celebrity and success like celebrity and success, and although she isn't the best figure in the world, I'd be happy enough married to her if our personalities were compatible. She's not a dog by a long shot. Plus, Bundchen has had two kids. That always has some effect, and if she has them after her very early 20s it's never positive.

    Look at Taylor Swift, pretty face, but 5'10" and no booty. Look at Debbie Harry-who turns 71 today-at 35, or at 25 (she posed nude for a tech book on nude photography , Fine Figure Photography by Richard Santuci, 1970, and is on the cover) , neither are smokin' hot, but not too many guys would turn Taylor down today, or Debbie in her prime.

    Hell, I'd have done Chrissie Hynde if I had the chance (and she wasn't nuts), and she's much more boyish than any of the above women.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Truth, @SFG, @guest

    , @candid_observer
    @Anonym

    I think Tom Brady is pretty healthy:

    http://archive.boston.com/news/source/2013/08/watch_tom_brady_checks_out_girl_on_sidelines.html

  259. @Mobi
    What about 'defence'?

    They can't only attack. They have to defend, too.

    They're beginning to sense that they're just beginning to lose control over 'the narrative'. Primarily because of the net.

    Control over 'the narrative' is the foundation upon which all else depends, so they absolutely must shift focus to re-gaining it, or they will start losing. They know this.

    They need to demonize, and ultimately criminalize, anonymous activity on the net.

    Not a trivial task, and they can't do it by honest means, so a concerted campaign of demonization, false-flags, 'hoaxes' etc, will be required.

    Mobi

    Replies: @Anonym

    They need to demonize, and ultimately criminalize, anonymous activity on the net.

    Not a trivial task, and they can’t do it by honest means, so a concerted campaign of demonization, false-flags, ‘hoaxes’ etc, will be required.

    If that’s what they have to do they have already lost. Ten years ago I thought they would have the power and the sense to try to do this. At this stage, the genie is never going back in the bottle. All that can really be done is to create large single points of relative control, like facebook. But outside that, typing in a URL will still get you where you want to go. If I want to go to iSteve or Breitbart, no one’s stopping me.

  260. @Buffalo Joe
    @guest

    Guest, You use "regular Joes" in the same sentence as "ugly", but no offense taken. I remember chatting up a girl in my single days and I thought I was making progress toward the promised land until she told me..."Joe, you're charming and funny, but I prefer my men to be rich or good looking, and you're about six million dollars shy of being good looking."

    Replies: @guest

    I meant the girls are ugly. As in, if Regular Joes don’t get women like Gisele it’s because those women are ugly and Regular Joes don’t want them. I should have been more clear with my pronouns.

    I don’t think it’s possible for a Regular Joe to be ugly. They should be regular looking, by definition.

  261. @Dr. X

    Still curious what’s next for progs. I totally disagree it will be child sex. I think polyamory / group marriage.
     
    Oh, absolutely. No doubt about it. The legal foundation is already there from the Supreme Court's decisions on gay marriage. Read Scalia's dissents in Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell. He predicted it.

    Probably legalized prostitution will be on the short list, too. Many European countries have it, and it's already hip among progs to use the value-neutral term "sex workers" instead of the derogatory "prostitute."

    Replies: @biz, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    …it’s already hip among progs to use the value-neutral term “sex workers” instead of the derogatory “prostitute.”

    I refer to them as “hookers,” but then I also refer to gay guys as “rump wranglers,” and the transgendered as “fruit bats.”

    I guess my problem is that I am what is known over at Tumblr, as “a shitlord.”

  262. I agree with everyone who says the next big cause will be polygamy but under a different name. The dominant clickbait vigilante culture can only understand things that involve the body, emotions and mating, so polygamy is the obvious choice.

    Anything that has to do with the use and abuse of genitalia is an instant winner in the current year. “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people” and Millennial minds tweet about genital usage.

    The Feral Eloi and Muslim Morlocks of the West will use their smart phones to agree on polygamy as the next big thing.

  263. @CCR
    I agree incest will be the next battle but it will be over with quickly.

    Anyway, realistic and affordable sexbots will change the relations between the sexes so fundamentally that things like multiple marriage won't even be important enough to fight about.

    Any male or female less than a 7 score on the 1-10 attractiveness scale won't even bother with actual human sex partners.

    Replies: @guest

    You can’t procreate with a robot.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @guest

    Uh, I hate to tell you , but the sex-not-for -procreation train left the station a long time ago.

    I suppose in the Brave New World if you ever want to procreate (and you might not) you order up a kid from a surrogate. It can be your sperm/egg and a mate selected from a catalog and a woman in some 3rd world country will carry it to term.

    Of course this system will only last a short while before the barbarian hordes completely overrun the empire and send us back to the dark ages. The archeologist of 4,000 AD will be digging up the sex robots and guessing (wrongly) what they meant.

    Replies: @guest

  264. @Anonym
    @Jim Don Bob

    As for Giselle, her ass is defective and her figure resembles a surf board.

    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/566003/Gisele-Bundchen-bikini-body-Tom-Brady-holiday-Costa-Rica

    Some people like that sort of thing, but they are the exception. Maybe Brady has gay tendencies, or he is the sort of rich person that likes to choose things based on their price/status and not their functionality.

    Replies: @guest, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Former Darfur, @candid_observer

    That article is of the “celebrity news” genre and written by a woman, so I don’t expect much. But you get that sort of nonsense on male porn sites, too. And what is Gisele doing promoting lingerie, which theoretically is supposed to appeal to men?

    I understand that DiCaprio and Brady inhabit a different world than I, where rail-thin and androgynous looks are de rigueur. I also understand who runs high fashion, advertising, and mainstream pop culture. But why has homoerotic taste colonized regular men’s minds? Why do they, too, find such alleged women sexy? I feel like a commie, resorting to theories of “false consciousness.”

  265. Guaranteed the next frontier will be mandatory sex-changes for children. I have an acquaintance that did this to their kid. They sent out a long email explaining why they’re doing it – how it’s good for the kid, how they’ll be much happier, won’t commit suicide, how it’s medically necessary etc.

    That last bit is key: Deeming it ‘medically necessary’, the surgery will be viewed as saving the kid’s life. If you’re not on board with indulging and mutilating your kid, you’ll be a bigoted, insane parent who is denying your child a needed medical procedure. Look at how anti-vaxxers are treated right now as an example.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @joe_mama


    That last bit is key: Deeming it ‘medically necessary’, the surgery will be viewed as saving the kid’s life. If you’re not on board with indulging and mutilating your kid, you’ll be a bigoted, insane parent who is denying your child a needed medical procedure. Look at how anti-vaxxers are treated right now as an example.
     
    A very good point. I can certainly see that happening.
  266. @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Joseph Smith was, I think, exactly what Revilo Oliver said he was: a small time grifter who struck into the Long Con like the proverbial mosquito hitting an artery in Gary Larson's "Far Side" cartoon.

    He had the good luck, from the historical point of view, to be killed off at just the right time.

    Brigham Young, however, was a much more formidable figure. If Saddam Hussein had had twenty more IQ points and a little better education, he would have been much like Young.

    Young was a nation-builder. He failed in establishing a sovereign nation, but he did build a nation within a nation. I've always thought it was unfortunate he didn't get somehow to (what was in better days known as ) Rhodesia, a more verdant land than Utah, and equally empty in the 1830s. He and his Mormons could have attracted, perhaps, many English, German, and Scandinavian peoples as well as perhaps siphoned off some of the better Boer stock, and by the supefecundity Mormons were famous for until recent times, packed it full of White farmers and workers. There were very few if any blacks in Rhodesia then, and the Mormons would have been neither as needful of importing black hired help nor as inclined to do so as the English were. Deseret-on-the-Zambezi would have been magnificent, probably rivalling Switzerland by now as a wealthy, productive White country.

    Even as it is, the Mormon Nation is pretty remarkable. It is many orders of magnitude more successful than Scientology. Whereas Scientology has nothing of real institutional value besides a few somewhat impressive buildings and the loyalty of a few movie stars: Mormonism has a thoroughly respectable university, dozens of legitimate scientists, and thousands, even tens of thousands of members thoroughly embedded in the structure of the United States government, at levels Israel can only fantasize about. All branches of the US military, including US Navy submariners, SEALs and aviators: the FBI (most famously) and NSA, CIA, DEA, every other law enforcement agency: the US House and Senate, and the legislatures of most states-the list is enormous. Mormons also hold high government positions in many other countries.

    Scientology has produced no serious institutions of learning nor any contribution to any science, art or technology whatever acknowledged by anyone but Scientologists. It has no scientists, no doctors, no military leaders (unless you count the farcical Sea Organization as a military entity). For all its bank accounts, nothing. It has lawyers, true, but then so does the mob and every major motorcycle club of the one percenter variety.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @Curle, @Neil Templeton

    I believe the original Mormons were drawn largely from the burned over district in Western NY and adjacent ground, i.e. a second-tier (as opposed to frontier) settlement area that probably attracted a number of folks descended from the Puritans, but no longer capable of dealing with the mature stages of Puritanism. Might be drawn from a relatively productive pool.

    On another note and observing the portrait of Smith, am I off key in thinking that many prophets strikingly resemble ladies men? Maybe the incentive to become a prophet is related to the incentive to attain rockstardom. Lots of attention from females. If so, then what about Moses? Jesus? Mohammed?

  267. @Anonymous
    I'm skeptical of your prediction, Steve. Here's why:

    Polygyny is eugenic. The common denominator of all these progressive causes is that they are dysgenic for Whites.

    Replies: @biz, @guest, @syonredux

    Polygyny is most definitely not eugenic, at least not for us. Harems don’t tend to form around men well adapted to sustain our civilization. Women get the tingles from bikers and gangbangers, not computer programmers.

  268. @guest
    @CCR

    You can't procreate with a robot.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Uh, I hate to tell you , but the sex-not-for -procreation train left the station a long time ago.

    I suppose in the Brave New World if you ever want to procreate (and you might not) you order up a kid from a surrogate. It can be your sperm/egg and a mate selected from a catalog and a woman in some 3rd world country will carry it to term.

    Of course this system will only last a short while before the barbarian hordes completely overrun the empire and send us back to the dark ages. The archeologist of 4,000 AD will be digging up the sex robots and guessing (wrongly) what they meant.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Jack D

    The above poster was talking about sex robots alone making the issue of marriage moot. That's obviously wrong, for even if all one's erotic desires can be satisfied by robots and other technology people will still desire children. I should have guessed someone would bring up Brave New World. Surrogacy is another matter. I was talking about robots.

  269. @e
    @Drog

    On the contrary, women would rather share one man than have one loser.

    Only female losers ...the average Western woman hates to share a man. Women remain forever jealous and vindictive when a man cheats.

    Replies: @guest, @Drogger

    Read that quote again. The issue is what women want more: a piece of a man worth wanting or all of a man no one wants. If a woman gets jealous over a man cheating, that indicates he’s desirable. Of course they want him for themselves, but if they can’t have exclusive rights they won’t want to settle for a dud instead. They’ll share, and continue to share as their jealousy makes it hotter and hotter. You’re making the above poster’s choice for him

  270. Related, it’s interesting, and possibly coincidental, that two of modern history’s mass casualty battles both began on July 1st: 1) Gettysburg in 1863, 2) Somme in 1916.

    Massive dysgenic effects for the West.

    The 19th and 20th centuries saw a mass culling of the fittest men and women of the West. It was on such a broad scale, and so often repeated, that one must seriously consider the true causes aren’t what we are led to believe. It’s actually that after each war instead of taking the lesson and learning from it the inverse was applied.

    These economic wars have not suddenly stopped in the 21st century. Is World War T the last mass casualty battle in this ongoing series? Who will list the casualty count and how would they compile it? No bodies laying strewn across a battle field but instead the occupation of the Western Mind, the individual starved into a solitary world of atomisation.

    Nature turned inside out: Sex becomes gender, the anus fecund, the other our rulers. Pedophilia the last frontier that Moloch demands.

    Why? Whose economy are these wars fought for?

    Anyway, off to vote.

  271. @Jack D
    @guest

    Uh, I hate to tell you , but the sex-not-for -procreation train left the station a long time ago.

    I suppose in the Brave New World if you ever want to procreate (and you might not) you order up a kid from a surrogate. It can be your sperm/egg and a mate selected from a catalog and a woman in some 3rd world country will carry it to term.

    Of course this system will only last a short while before the barbarian hordes completely overrun the empire and send us back to the dark ages. The archeologist of 4,000 AD will be digging up the sex robots and guessing (wrongly) what they meant.

    Replies: @guest

    The above poster was talking about sex robots alone making the issue of marriage moot. That’s obviously wrong, for even if all one’s erotic desires can be satisfied by robots and other technology people will still desire children. I should have guessed someone would bring up Brave New World. Surrogacy is another matter. I was talking about robots.

  272. @RadicalCenter
    @SPMoore8

    Voting age needs to be raised back to 21.

    Replies: @BB753

    Make it 30, and leave women out.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @BB753

    And substantial (house) property owners only.

  273. @fish
    @Jack D


    Marla was 17 years younger than he was when he married her, Melanoma was 24 years younger.
     



    Worlds greatest autocorrect?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Oops, sorry. My bad. I meant to type Messalina.

  274. @Sid Falco
    Polygamy then being able to marry Dogs and Cats

    Replies: @dr kill

    I look forward to being married to my father. He has a sweet estate and I’d like to avoid probate. My wife says she will be glad to be the best man. Can’t be many months away.

  275. @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    I disagree that it will help the left. 16-17 year old adolescents are highly impressionable and the ones who have the most impression on them are their alpha peers, who are downright troglodytic in their social view. Think back to your own youth. In my case from the 70s, despite all the long hair, denim, rock and roll, pill popping and pot smoking, despite all the indoctrination from the media and schools, we were all right wing thugs with no time or tolerance for fags, hippies or any other lefty. And the girls did whatever the boys expected them to do. I can imagine a mass movement of rightwing adolescent, given the right to vote, who will lash out at any schoolmarmish authority figures who try to control them. To the 16 year old vote, I say bring it on.

  276. @Anonym
    @Jim Don Bob

    As for Giselle, her ass is defective and her figure resembles a surf board.

    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/566003/Gisele-Bundchen-bikini-body-Tom-Brady-holiday-Costa-Rica

    Some people like that sort of thing, but they are the exception. Maybe Brady has gay tendencies, or he is the sort of rich person that likes to choose things based on their price/status and not their functionality.

    Replies: @guest, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Former Darfur, @candid_observer

    Is it too old-fashioned to suggest he loves her? Man, you people are even more cynical than I am. AoS First Law – if you see a relationship that makes no sense, it must be love.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @dr kill


    AoS First Law –

    If you see a relationship that makes no sense, it must be love
     
    I’m afraid to ask what’s tattooed on the other asscheek.
    , @Anonym
    @dr kill

    Is it too old-fashioned to suggest he loves her? Man, you people are even more cynical than I am. AoS First Law – if you see a relationship that makes no sense, it must be love.

    To be on the alt-right is to be both a hardened cynic and a hopeless idealist. A hardened cynic about humans and their natures; a hopeless idealist to think we can win.

    Maybe I'm generalizing from my personal experience, but wouldn't love fall within the bounds of what one is attracted to? A star quarterback can have what he wants. Who he ends up with is indicative of something. Physical attraction, mental attraction, emotional attraction, shared values, eugenic hopes for offspring, even love. Why not tick more than one box if you can have whatever's on the menu?

  277. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Polygyny is eugenic because it selects for alphas; something our society could use more of.

    The next issue will likely be polygamy, but under the polyamory rubric since liberals are more comfortable with that. The other issues mentioned will eventually have their day, but they don’t have the groundwork yet polygamy has (e.g. liberal polyamory culture, famous tv families, pending court cases, etc). Not to mention the underground support of the upper class and the lefts support of anything Islamic.

    And contrary to conservative fears it won’t be the end of the world. We already have it in unofficial non-reproductive forms; this will just legalize the stable beneficial forms (i.e. polygamous FAMILIES).

    Legally speaking, unlike with gays, polygamy IS a form of marriage and one with long and deep history in many cultures (including Western Civ and Christianity; i.e. Vikings, David & Solomon, etc).

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Anonymous

    Polygyny is eugenic because it selects for alphas; something our society could use more of.

    The ongoing success story of Islamic nations, Middle East specifically, stands testament to the truth of your statement.

    , @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    Polygyny is eugenic because it selects for alphas; something our society could use more of.
     
    Guess that's why Sub-Saharan Africa is such a utopia.....

    Replies: @L Woods

  278. @whorefinder
    @Lugash

    Yeah, see my comment as well. Female sluttiness is now "normalized" before she marries. I think the idea that women might become "occasionally" escort to pay a few bills will go from the lurid tales of late-night Skinemax to something every girl's sluttiest friend does "and it's just normal, don't judge her!"

    Replies: @L Woods, @Hippolytus

    >I think the idea that women might become “occasionally” escort to pay a few bills will go from the lurid tales of late-night Skinemax to something every girl’s sluttiest friend does “and it’s just normal, don’t judge her!”

    In other words former Nintendo of America spokeswoman/polyamorist/escort Alison Rapp. She even managed to turn her husband into a gay escort. She’s worth reading up on at places like ED or kiwifarms because her behavior and outright persona is on the cutting edge of the stuff you guys talk about.

  279. @candid_observer
    @gruff

    Which also perfectly describes the intensity and focus of leftist identity politics.

    The volume of their howls of outrage is in direct proportion to the obviousness of the opinion to which they object.

    Replies: @gruff

    Have you read Hoffer’s The True Believer? Speaks to the larger point. Should be mandatory reading.

  280. @Forbes
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Direct-TV ad with JBJ is positively bizarre. Who can possibly be the target audience?

    Replies: @Lugash, @Whiskey

    Most married or cohabitating women. Who had to settle when they could not keep/land the bad boy for commitment. All that choice just makes women bitter, far more bitter and angry than women who had far more limited choice and could not sample bad boys but then not keep them.

    Expect more of that, I’m sure the commercial does well with the market: women. Or course enough of that and most beta males will simply out and go full sexbot or whatever. Leaving women in “soft” harems with the local drug dealer, or what have you, but not support or protection.

    For now those resources are fine, but bets on how long that lasts?

  281. @dr kill
    @Anonym

    Is it too old-fashioned to suggest he loves her? Man, you people are even more cynical than I am. AoS First Law - if you see a relationship that makes no sense, it must be love.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonym

    AoS First Law –

    If you see a relationship that makes no sense, it must be love

    I’m afraid to ask what’s tattooed on the other asscheek.

  282. @Anonymous
    Polygyny is eugenic because it selects for alphas; something our society could use more of.

    The next issue will likely be polygamy, but under the polyamory rubric since liberals are more comfortable with that. The other issues mentioned will eventually have their day, but they don't have the groundwork yet polygamy has (e.g. liberal polyamory culture, famous tv families, pending court cases, etc). Not to mention the underground support of the upper class and the lefts support of anything Islamic.

    And contrary to conservative fears it won't be the end of the world. We already have it in unofficial non-reproductive forms; this will just legalize the stable beneficial forms (i.e. polygamous FAMILIES).

    Legally speaking, unlike with gays, polygamy IS a form of marriage and one with long and deep history in many cultures (including Western Civ and Christianity; i.e. Vikings, David & Solomon, etc).

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @syonredux

    Polygyny is eugenic because it selects for alphas; something our society could use more of.

    The ongoing success story of Islamic nations, Middle East specifically, stands testament to the truth of your statement.

  283. Remember how the left always wins, they portray some group as being “oppressed” when they just want the freedom to be/do “X”.

    The whole idea is make people feel bad for being so “Mean” as to impose rules on people. It also has to create another “victim” group that will vote Democrat.

    So, I agree with what others have said. Lowering the age of voting and sexual consent to 16 or even 14. If they can drive, why can’t they have sex with 35 year olds? Why can’t they vote? What are you a meanie who wants to prevent 16 y/o from having a vote in their future? Are you saying they can’t have sex with whoever they want?

    Did you know most 14-16 year olds are POCs? How can you oppose it? What are you a racist?

  284. Anybody who thinks 16 year olds will vote conservative is an idiot. They are easily manipulated by the liberal mass media, know nothing, and are concerned with peer pressure. The vast majority don’t have jobs or pay taxes.

    • Replies: @mobi
    @Honesthughgrant

    Yes, exactly.

    The push for '16 year-olds voting' comes from the usual suspects for a reason.

    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction - 'Weighted Democracy'. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.

    Ought to be feasible in our computer age. And quite defensible in the PR arena - after all, didn't 'he who pays the bills calls the shots' form the basis of household life for most of us?

    It would undermine all sorts of mischief. It would also make manipulation of the system by the super-rich self-limiting (the more they game the system to avoid paying taxes, they more they diminish their say in setting the rules'.)

    Don't wait for the enemy to define the terms of battle (as we now do).

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @JackOH, @dfordoom, @SFG

    , @Lurker
    @Honesthughgrant

    A line I sometimes hear is "Old enough to pay taxes, old enough to vote."

    This is clever as it raises the idea that voting should be based on some sort of contribution - like paying taxes - but the sleight-of-hand is usually missed, that most 16 year olds do not pay taxes. And the proposers of this idea would actually recoil in horror at voting based on tax paying.

    Another version is "Old enough to fight for your country, old enough to vote." Again it raises an arguable point but employs the same sleight-of-hand. Most under 18s are not in the military. (This second one is one Ive seen used in the UK. Under 18s are in the military)

  285. mobi says:
    @Honesthughgrant
    Anybody who thinks 16 year olds will vote conservative is an idiot. They are easily manipulated by the liberal mass media, know nothing, and are concerned with peer pressure. The vast majority don't have jobs or pay taxes.

    Replies: @mobi, @Lurker

    Yes, exactly.

    The push for ’16 year-olds voting’ comes from the usual suspects for a reason.

    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction – ‘Weighted Democracy’. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.

    Ought to be feasible in our computer age. And quite defensible in the PR arena – after all, didn’t ‘he who pays the bills calls the shots’ form the basis of household life for most of us?

    It would undermine all sorts of mischief. It would also make manipulation of the system by the super-rich self-limiting (the more they game the system to avoid paying taxes, they more they diminish their say in setting the rules’.)

    Don’t wait for the enemy to define the terms of battle (as we now do).

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @mobi

    Although I am certainly not in agreement with him on every area, one thing I think (white separatist novelist) Harold Covington has right is the idea of separation of residency and citizenship, and there being three classes of citizenship, proportional to one's value to society and endowed with progressively greater voting power.

    In his world, citizenship is earned, and one starts out a third class citizen with one vote, may move up to second class with two votes, and there can move up further to first class with three votes.

    Simply hitting the linen in a certain geographic area is no rational criterion of citizenship.

    I would require for third class citizenship one have been a net taxpayer for at least two years: a reasonable command of the English language and passing a test on US civics and history, as well as lawful presence in the United States under acceptable circumstances for a period of time.

    For second class citizenship I would require service in the United States military, current or with an honorable discharge, except for married mothers of two or more children who aren't in jail or have committed felonies, or men who have served in some nonmilitary capacity if the military did not want them due to medical conditions, too many people in service, etc.

    First class citizenship should be an honor established on successful people in honest business who have created jobs and wealth, retired NCOs and officers of the military who have distinguished themselves, etc, etc.

    , @JackOH
    @mobi

    "Tax-weighted" voting sounds like it's worth some grant money for an interested poli sci prof or independent researcher to rough out details and provide historical context.

    But, I suspect "tax-weighted" voting right now is illegal, plus you'd run into a buzz saw of tax-avoiders and tax consumers invoking slippery-slope arguments about "race-weighting", "sex-weighting", diminution of the franchise, etc.

    Replies: @guest

    , @dfordoom
    @mobi


    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction – ‘Weighted Democracy’. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.
     
    That will never fly because it seems to be so obviously unjust (and in fact it really is unjust). It will simply reinforce the idea that the Right only cares about the rich, because mostly the Right has only cared about the rich.

    It's also totally unnecessary. All you need to do is increase the minimum voting age to 25. What you need to do is to prevent college students from voting and the easy way to do that is by raising the voting age. And it has the advantage that it's absolutely fair - everyone gets to vote, they just have to wait until they're grown-ups.

    Replies: @TheJester

    , @SFG
    @mobi

    So you think the average Jew should get multiple votes? (Higher average income and hence tax donation.) Socially liberal SWPL suburbanites' votes count more than blue-collar rednecks'? (Again.) Bill Gates and George Soros should get to vote hundreds of times? (Same reasoning.)

    Plus, as the other commenters have said, once this idea's out of the bag, they'll start race-weighting and sex-weighting votes.

    Replies: @mobi

  286. @anony-mouse
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_Young_(film)

    Mary Astor as (a) Mrs. Young

    Vincent Price as Joseph Smith Jr. (a rival to Young)

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    That was one of Price’s first Hollywood roles.

    He ended his career doing mildew-remover commercials:

    Seems he came full circle.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Stan Adams

    In the early 80s he was better known for the commercial for the board game Staying Alive and for being the narrator for Michael Jackson's "Thriller".

  287. @Jim Don Bob
    @Forbes

    I was waiting in a doctor's office yesterday and picked up the Style section of the Washington Post. There were no fewer than four homo articles in its 8 pages. Tolerance is no longer enough; you must celebrate!

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clifford Brown

    The NYTimes has “style” sections in the paper on Thursdays and Sundays – we all know what they are – but that’s not enough because pretty nearly every day there will be a story in the paper lauding someone gay or lesbian. It really is pathetic.

  288. @Jim Don Bob
    @Forbes

    I was waiting in a doctor's office yesterday and picked up the Style section of the Washington Post. There were no fewer than four homo articles in its 8 pages. Tolerance is no longer enough; you must celebrate!

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clifford Brown

    Who else do you think cares about Style? Especially in Washington DC.

  289. @dr kill
    @Anonym

    Is it too old-fashioned to suggest he loves her? Man, you people are even more cynical than I am. AoS First Law - if you see a relationship that makes no sense, it must be love.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonym

    Is it too old-fashioned to suggest he loves her? Man, you people are even more cynical than I am. AoS First Law – if you see a relationship that makes no sense, it must be love.

    To be on the alt-right is to be both a hardened cynic and a hopeless idealist. A hardened cynic about humans and their natures; a hopeless idealist to think we can win.

    Maybe I’m generalizing from my personal experience, but wouldn’t love fall within the bounds of what one is attracted to? A star quarterback can have what he wants. Who he ends up with is indicative of something. Physical attraction, mental attraction, emotional attraction, shared values, eugenic hopes for offspring, even love. Why not tick more than one box if you can have whatever’s on the menu?

  290. Contractually predefined expiry dates for all marriages and exchange-tradable wedlock swaps.

  291. @Hepp
    No, they're not even close to finished with the gay and trans stuff.

    First, most states don't even have anti-discrimination laws based on these characteristics. Courts will start mandating them if they can't get a federal law soon.

    Then there's shutting down Christian schools by taking away their accreditation. Basically every Christian institution will have to change or be buried.

    Tax exempt status could be in danger.

    I'm amazed by how the new concept of "gay rights" is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there's still a lot more that they can do.

    A good article on what's coming:

    http://theweek.com/articles/632613/dark-pessimism-american-christians

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Bobzilla, @This Is Our Home, @Anonymous

    People are also always gearing themselves up to take action against one of the 77 countries in the world where homosexuality is illegal. That is until they realise which countries. I have a map where they are marked out in red. Once they see it they go weirdly quiet and/or inarticulate. Hilarious to see the cogs actively whirring on the question of who is higher up the totem pole. ‘But Russia’ they seem to want to exclaim, but Russia isn’t one of those countries, you ill-informed fool!

  292. @Anonymous
    I'm skeptical of your prediction, Steve. Here's why:

    Polygyny is eugenic. The common denominator of all these progressive causes is that they are dysgenic for Whites.

    Replies: @biz, @guest, @syonredux

    Polygyny is eugenic.

    Guess that’s why Sub-Saharan Africa has the world’s highest mean IQ……

  293. @Anonymous
    Polygyny is eugenic because it selects for alphas; something our society could use more of.

    The next issue will likely be polygamy, but under the polyamory rubric since liberals are more comfortable with that. The other issues mentioned will eventually have their day, but they don't have the groundwork yet polygamy has (e.g. liberal polyamory culture, famous tv families, pending court cases, etc). Not to mention the underground support of the upper class and the lefts support of anything Islamic.

    And contrary to conservative fears it won't be the end of the world. We already have it in unofficial non-reproductive forms; this will just legalize the stable beneficial forms (i.e. polygamous FAMILIES).

    Legally speaking, unlike with gays, polygamy IS a form of marriage and one with long and deep history in many cultures (including Western Civ and Christianity; i.e. Vikings, David & Solomon, etc).

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @syonredux

    Polygyny is eugenic because it selects for alphas; something our society could use more of.

    Guess that’s why Sub-Saharan Africa is such a utopia…..

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @syonredux

    Or Baltimore, for that matter.

  294. @The most deplorable one
    @Former Darfur

    And they have/had John Moses Browning, a real god on earth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    And they have/had John Moses Browning, a real god on earth.

    Indeed.

    In the entire history of technology, rarely has one individual been as influential as was John Moses Browning within his sphere of competency, firearms design. He could take a piece of old random iron, blacksmith it into approximate shape, and file and drill the resulting piece into a complex, yet no more complicated than really necessary, precision working mechanism.

    Quite a few of his designs are still in production, and not (necessarily or just) as reissue nostalgia pieces for cowboy shooting buffs and collectors. The crown jewel of his design prowess is, depending on your view of it, either the M1911 Colt pistol-a handgun that is still the choice of a good proportion of expert combat shooters and in many places still standard military and law enforcement issue, or the M2 heavy machine gun, a devastating piece of ordnance still very much in US frontline service.

    A list of his designs would take too long to provide here, those interested can, and will use the search engine of their choice to pull up a list. Notably, though, they include the Browning Hi-Power, M1911 and Colt Woodsman pistols, several Winchester lever action rifles including the ubiquitous 1894 .30-30, and several Winchester and Browning shotguns including the famous Auto-5 and the 1897 (I had to buy one after seeing Clark Gable with one in The Misfits…)

    It’s hard to think of any rivals in any other fields. Kelly Johnson at Lockheed comes to mind, but really Johnson was more of an engineering manager than an engineer: no one man can claim to have designed any airplane Lockheed ever built past perhaps the Vega, or the prewar twin engine Electra: they are just too complicated. (The various Taylor and Piper Cubs, and most of the homebuilts popular in the post-WWII period, are one man airplanes and most look it. )

    Perhaps Edwin Howard Armstrong comes closest: he invented almost every circuit used in radio reception up until fairly recently, the regenerative, the superregenerative and the (all-important and totally dominant until DSP made software radio possible) superheterodyne, and invented FM broadcasting in its entirety.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Former Darfur

    I suspect it's more that an extremely talented invididual can have a much bigger effect on a field at its start. If he were born years later most of the major advances would already have been made, and as you say, after a while the big names are more managers than engineers because no one person can do everything anymore. Any famous pieces of software written by one person you can think of?

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  295. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    Polygyny is eugenic because it selects for alphas; something our society could use more of.
     
    Guess that's why Sub-Saharan Africa is such a utopia.....

    Replies: @L Woods

    Or Baltimore, for that matter.

  296. @mobi
    @Honesthughgrant

    Yes, exactly.

    The push for '16 year-olds voting' comes from the usual suspects for a reason.

    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction - 'Weighted Democracy'. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.

    Ought to be feasible in our computer age. And quite defensible in the PR arena - after all, didn't 'he who pays the bills calls the shots' form the basis of household life for most of us?

    It would undermine all sorts of mischief. It would also make manipulation of the system by the super-rich self-limiting (the more they game the system to avoid paying taxes, they more they diminish their say in setting the rules'.)

    Don't wait for the enemy to define the terms of battle (as we now do).

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @JackOH, @dfordoom, @SFG

    Although I am certainly not in agreement with him on every area, one thing I think (white separatist novelist) Harold Covington has right is the idea of separation of residency and citizenship, and there being three classes of citizenship, proportional to one’s value to society and endowed with progressively greater voting power.

    In his world, citizenship is earned, and one starts out a third class citizen with one vote, may move up to second class with two votes, and there can move up further to first class with three votes.

    Simply hitting the linen in a certain geographic area is no rational criterion of citizenship.

    I would require for third class citizenship one have been a net taxpayer for at least two years: a reasonable command of the English language and passing a test on US civics and history, as well as lawful presence in the United States under acceptable circumstances for a period of time.

    For second class citizenship I would require service in the United States military, current or with an honorable discharge, except for married mothers of two or more children who aren’t in jail or have committed felonies, or men who have served in some nonmilitary capacity if the military did not want them due to medical conditions, too many people in service, etc.

    First class citizenship should be an honor established on successful people in honest business who have created jobs and wealth, retired NCOs and officers of the military who have distinguished themselves, etc, etc.

  297. @Anonym
    @Jim Don Bob

    As for Giselle, her ass is defective and her figure resembles a surf board.

    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/566003/Gisele-Bundchen-bikini-body-Tom-Brady-holiday-Costa-Rica

    Some people like that sort of thing, but they are the exception. Maybe Brady has gay tendencies, or he is the sort of rich person that likes to choose things based on their price/status and not their functionality.

    Replies: @guest, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Former Darfur, @candid_observer

    Moses and Jesus are too far back to speak of, inasmuch as there were no cameras, tape recorders, or gramophones then, or even surviving drawings. And we shall not speak of You Know Who, praise be unto him, since his followers get a little upset sometimes and loud explosions upset me in my old age.

    But certainly, Joseph Smith was a pussyhound in his day, and that was one of the complaints leveled at him and his fellow Mormons at the time.

  298. @Anonym
    @Jim Don Bob

    As for Giselle, her ass is defective and her figure resembles a surf board.

    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/566003/Gisele-Bundchen-bikini-body-Tom-Brady-holiday-Costa-Rica

    Some people like that sort of thing, but they are the exception. Maybe Brady has gay tendencies, or he is the sort of rich person that likes to choose things based on their price/status and not their functionality.

    Replies: @guest, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Former Darfur, @candid_observer

    Her figure in general and ass in particular are not of the caliber of Monroe, or Barbara Eden, or even the somewhat overrated Bettie Page in their primes, certainly. (Angie Dickinson was up there too.) But celebrity and success like celebrity and success, and although she isn’t the best figure in the world, I’d be happy enough married to her if our personalities were compatible. She’s not a dog by a long shot. Plus, Bundchen has had two kids. That always has some effect, and if she has them after her very early 20s it’s never positive.

    Look at Taylor Swift, pretty face, but 5’10” and no booty. Look at Debbie Harry-who turns 71 today-at 35, or at 25 (she posed nude for a tech book on nude photography , Fine Figure Photography by Richard Santuci, 1970, and is on the cover) , neither are smokin’ hot, but not too many guys would turn Taylor down today, or Debbie in her prime.

    Hell, I’d have done Chrissie Hynde if I had the chance (and she wasn’t nuts), and she’s much more boyish than any of the above women.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Former Darfur

    I think ass/no ass preference is something that may be intertwined with the DNA for ass/no ass. Both men and women have this physical difference although women will be expressed more strongly. Maybe it is related to overall muscularity - mesomorphism. Although one can still be muscular and missing glute muscle/fat development.

    Women like to be with a guy who is both taller, and also bigger than they are. But height is easy to measure, so the bigger thing is less known. This would tend to lead to mesomorph women ending up with mesomorph men. I would say I am mesomorphic, and strongly prefer hourglass type figures. That is one datapoint.

    I guess it all depends on how much of a dealbreaker any particular feature is. A lot of guys have 'types'. Presumably attraction is fairly binary for certain features, which is why they always pursue and end up with the same sort of partner. Not everyone is like that. I would expect more picky, perfectionist types would be more 'typey'. So it surprises me that Tom Brady has ended up with Bundchen. But homosexuals are typey too when it comes to women. They like men and the next best thing to a man is a mannish woman.

    , @Truth
    @Former Darfur

    Bundchen, Swift, Harry?

    Dude please go back to the discussion we had on the last thread.

    , @SFG
    @Former Darfur

    Any woman cute enough to be famous as some sort of entertainer is cuter than 99% of women out there. That's how they're chosen.

    200 years ago a woman would only compare herself to the other women in her village or neighborhood; now she sees the most beautiful women in America staring at her on the cover of every magazine. You see where feminists get their 'body image' obsessions from.

    Replies: @Lurker, @guest

    , @guest
    @Former Darfur

    I haven't studied the bodies of Taylor Swift and Debbie Harry closely. The latter would be easier to judge if she did nude modelling, as you say. But I can say with confidence at the outset that both are easily prettier and more feminine than Gisele. Neither jumped to fame from the world of high fashion, and therefore weren't selected for those kind of features.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  299. @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    Wow, I think lowering the voting age is it. Like you said, it covers a lot of angles. It keeps the Democrats as the “progressive” party and the “youth” party. It ensures that voters fresh out of (or still in) public school indoctrination will be voting, adding a solid base for whatever feel-good scheme the Democrats propose. And while fighting it, it re-inforces the idea of Republicans as the old-man party of buzz-killers.

    But… it also sets the stage for legalized pedophilia. After all, eighteen is an arbitrary age that’s used for both the age of consent and the age of suffrage. If sixteen year olds can vote, then they are clearly ready to set their own destiny – including sexually. For the rich and perverted, this opens their options and reduces their risk considerably. If the sixteen year old they invite to their parties is a registered voter – well who’s to say they’re taking advantage of anyone.

  300. @mobi
    @Honesthughgrant

    Yes, exactly.

    The push for '16 year-olds voting' comes from the usual suspects for a reason.

    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction - 'Weighted Democracy'. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.

    Ought to be feasible in our computer age. And quite defensible in the PR arena - after all, didn't 'he who pays the bills calls the shots' form the basis of household life for most of us?

    It would undermine all sorts of mischief. It would also make manipulation of the system by the super-rich self-limiting (the more they game the system to avoid paying taxes, they more they diminish their say in setting the rules'.)

    Don't wait for the enemy to define the terms of battle (as we now do).

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @JackOH, @dfordoom, @SFG

    “Tax-weighted” voting sounds like it’s worth some grant money for an interested poli sci prof or independent researcher to rough out details and provide historical context.

    But, I suspect “tax-weighted” voting right now is illegal, plus you’d run into a buzz saw of tax-avoiders and tax consumers invoking slippery-slope arguments about “race-weighting”, “sex-weighting”, diminution of the franchise, etc.

    • Replies: @guest
    @JackOH

    We could go by property ownership instead of tax paying status. I like Henry George-type radicals better than the ones we have now, anyway.

  301. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Anonymous


    Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

     

    Actually, it's stranger than that. L. Ron Hubbard decided to invent his own religion after stumbling across the works of Aleister Crowley, through the rocket scientist Jack Parsons (co-founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory), who was a Crowley disciple.

    https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Rockets-Occult-World-Parsons/dp/0922915970/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467401242&sr=8-1&keywords=Sex+and+Rockets

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Scientology is a concoction made of perhaps equal parts of Crowleyanity and a thing, as it was then, called General Semantics. While it has cultish aspects, GS actually makes a certain amount of sense. It earned the eternal enmity of Ayn Rand, for one thing.

    Many, many early SF writers were fans of GS, as were the principals of McIntosh Laboratory, the company who made what was considered for half a century the finest audio amplification equipment available, and a disclaimer of affiliation can be found in the plastic of every early toaster Macintosh computer:

    In naming his Macintosh project, Jef Raskin bucked the trend of using female code names. He thought the practice was sexist, and it was. The Annie project, for which Markkula originally tried to recruit Raskin, was a thinly veiled reference to Little Annie Fanny, the well-endowed cartoon character (created by Harvey Kurtzman and Willy Elder) that regularly appeared in Playboy back then.

    It’s often reported that Raskin misspelled the name of his favourite variety of apples, but that’s unlikely given that he was manager of publications. “I intentionally changed the spelling,” insists Raskin. “I’m a pretty good speller. Writing is one of the things I do well. The name of the apple is McIntosh. I thought that would lead us to a conflict with McIntosh Laboratory, the hi-fi manufacturer. So I used the spelling Macintosh, figuring that if it conflicted with the overcoat, who cares?”

    Unfortunately, the slight spelling change wasn’t enough to keep Apple in the clear. When Apple attempted to trademark the name Macintosh in 1982, the request was denied because it phonetically infringed on the trademark already owned by McIntosh Laboratory (www.mcintoshlabs.com), which operated at the very high end of the high-fidelity food chain.

  302. @Pat Gilligan
    @Anonymous


    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That’s a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.
     
    Joseph Smith claims that he directly translated, with the aid of magic spectacles, the hieroglyphics on the gold tablets found in his barn. We know from contemporary Hebrew scholarship that the King James Bible contains errors in translation. E.g., Joseph and his technicolor coat. Contemporary Hebrew scholars say the the KJV Bible translators were mistaken, and that the Hebrew word refers to the length of the coat sleeves, not color. Now here's the kicker, the Book of Mormon contains these very same mistakes found in the KJV Bibile.

    Replies: @Josh, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    No idiot, the KJV is 100% perfect. Your Hebrew texts are corrupt.

  303. @kihowi
    No, it absolutely, positively will be pedophilia. Why? Because so many cool people were. Artists, poets, writers, rock&rollers.

    The people who are into bigamy are the uncool kind. With Muslims it will just be accepted silently, because it would be a distastefully lower-class thing to object to. The Christians will just remain a punchline.

    Pedophilia on the other hand, promises a long, satisfying battle. The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug. It presents great opportunities of feeling superior to the masses, of knowing that you're on the rational side, of building a wonderful victim narrative, and for a very long time!

    Imagine the snarking mileage you get out of first presenting pedophiles as the genetically disadvantaged who deserve our compassion, then as an oppressed victim group, then as equals and finally as our much more exiting, artistic superiors.

    As a bonus, it is already accepted among other victim groups like Muslims and homosexuals, and hated most by the enemy: conservative white fathers. Really, you couldn't wish for anything better as a 2050 18 year old.

    Replies: @The Millennial Falcon, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @dfordoom

    The fact that it is so instinctively repulsive to most people is a feature, not a bug.

    Yep. It’s not just about power. It’s also about humiliation. Whatever they force us to accept next has to be humiliating and disgusting, especially to Christians. Polygamy is just not sufficiently disgusting.

  304. @Stan Adams
    @anony-mouse

    That was one of Price's first Hollywood roles.

    He ended his career doing mildew-remover commercials:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Gv4l6CGPY

    Seems he came full circle.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    In the early 80s he was better known for the commercial for the board game Staying Alive and for being the narrator for Michael Jackson’s “Thriller”.

  305. @SPMoore8
    @Kylie

    Download all the good books and videos now, before it's illegalized. As for syphilis, yes, it is making a comeback, mostly in the gay community, because of barebacking. However, every time something like this happens, instead of demanding some accountability among those who engage in unprotected anal and oral sex with multiple partners, the MSM not only does not identify the culprits but blames it on a lack of federal funding for clinics, and so on. In other words, no one is held accountable for getting these diseases, or transmitting these diseases, it's all up to the government to find ways to treat them. So as usual it all goes back to the idea of rich white guys with mattesses full of money.

    The same thing pertains to ending the ban on gay blood donations. That too is supposed to be a "marginalization", never mind that gays are an at risk population for all sorts of diseases, including Hepatitis, HIV, syphilis. I guess marginalizing at risk populations is wrong, they should be fully embraced. (Note that this doesn't extend to superstitious parents who refuse to get their children immunized.)

    Of course we can only do this because we haven't had any epidemics recently. I wonder how long that will last.

    Replies: @Kylie, @dfordoom

    Download all the good books and videos now, before it’s illegalized.

    Buy up lots of old books. The treeware kind. Don’t rely on new editions – publishers are already censoring old books for not being sufficiently PC.

    • Replies: @Spmoore8
    @dfordoom

    Agreed. Dead tree books are surprisingly cheap now. However many books especially PD are available in unexpurgated PDFs, which is what OP had in mind. Also, many libraries toss priceless books for being un PC or simply low circulation.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  306. @e
    @Drog

    On the contrary, women would rather share one man than have one loser.

    Only female losers ...the average Western woman hates to share a man. Women remain forever jealous and vindictive when a man cheats.

    Replies: @guest, @Drogger

    As the West declines so will the quality of our women…

    It was Toqueville, I believe, who said something about the quality of American women being excellent yadda yadda…

    Sad to say, but our women would lose if modesty, virginity, and virtue are valued traits in a female.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Drogger

    Not to mention modest wastelines.

  307. @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    Yes quite right and also don't forget lesbians, the point of the Vagina Monologues by Eve Ensler is a thirty something lesbian recounting her affair with a 14 year old girl. So there's that. Don't want to be homophobic now.

    As for polygamy, yes I'd say most women want it. Better to share 1/10th of a Basketball player or rapper than 100% of some accountant. The appeal of the Kardashians here as female role models is pretty clear. Women, Muslims, and SJW would be 100% in favor. Yes older wives would not like to share a high earner without sexual charisma, but say some loutish layabout murderer like the elder Tsarnaev is another matter. Chicks do dig Chechens, after all.

    And yes, normalization of female infidelity is already here, in TV, movies, literature, etc. Women like that.

    BUT ... all that means is zero investment in women by most men. And while Western society is resource rich now, mass third world immigration, collapsing welfare states impoverished on the revenue side and hammered on the spending side, collapsing unemployment from free trade and AI/robotics, and African led resource scarcity of food, water, energy, and much else seem to point to a more scarce set of general resources for women and men.

    In that rapid collapse situation, think the Western Roman Empire in the 400s during the Barbarian Invasions, things will get real bad real fast. People lost a foot of average height in that century, cities became villages, and towns and villages disappeared. Money stopped circulating (it bought nothing) and the population crashed in one century to 1/4 of what it had been before.

    ONLY women worthy of male protection will find it; and Alpha layabouts like the Tsarnaevs generally do poorly in protecting and providing; the Western model of monogamy and dutiful protection and provision seems the only winner. I.E. organized and harvest-like shock battles of annihilation vs. raiding tribalism over the past 2500 years seems to favor the former decisively.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    the point of the Vagina Monologues by Eve Ensler is a thirty something lesbian recounting her affair with a 14 year old girl.

    The way will be prepared by Hollywood. They won’t be quite that blatant at first. First we’ll see heart-warming love stories of late twenty-something lesbians and 16-year-old girls. If they get away with that then they’ll move on to thirty-something lesbians and 15-year-old girls. We’ll be sold the idea so gradually we won’t even notice. They’ll concentrate on lesbians first because it’s less confronting.

  308. @RadicalCenter
    @Drog

    What are PUA and RWDS?

    Replies: @Drog

    Pick up aritists – roosh, heartiste, mystery, krauser
    Right wing death squads – no need to explain

  309. @dfordoom
    @SPMoore8


    Download all the good books and videos now, before it’s illegalized.
     
    Buy up lots of old books. The treeware kind. Don't rely on new editions - publishers are already censoring old books for not being sufficiently PC.

    Replies: @Spmoore8

    Agreed. Dead tree books are surprisingly cheap now. However many books especially PD are available in unexpurgated PDFs, which is what OP had in mind. Also, many libraries toss priceless books for being un PC or simply low circulation.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Spmoore8


    Also, many libraries toss priceless books for being un PC or simply low circulation.
     
    Yep, I've picked up some great books that way.

    Replies: @SFG

  310. Another push will be for quotas for elected office. At least 50% of parliamentarians or congressmen (sorry, congresspersons) will have to be female. That lunacy has already arrived in some countries. Look for it to spread. It will placate the feminists (who are getting screwed on other issues) and greatly facilitate the rest of the SJW agenda so it’s a win-win for the cultural marxists.

  311. @Bobzilla
    @Hepp


    I’m amazed by how the new concept of “gay rights” is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there’s still a lot more that they can do.
     
    I guess this is actually pretty easy to accomplish when you consider that most people (including Christians) spend most of their time attending Lucifer's Church, a.k.a. The Television. It also makes it all the much easier when the vast majority of the people have no comprehension of the history /instituions / freedoms you speak of. Most of the so-called Christians really aren't that upset about the gay agenda. Mark my word. In the not too distant future you will see almost all Churches tripping over themselves to show the world how tolerant and receptive they are of homosexuality. Most of the churches will even support homosexual marriage.

    Replies: @Bobzilla, @dfordoom

    Most of the churches will even support homosexual marriage.

    The churches will accept the whole SJW agenda, no matter how extreme it gets. If you’re looking for some group that will offer resistance to the SJW madness you can forget Christianity. It’s finished. It has become a religion for women and girly-men.

  312. @joe_mama
    Guaranteed the next frontier will be mandatory sex-changes for children. I have an acquaintance that did this to their kid. They sent out a long email explaining why they're doing it - how it's good for the kid, how they'll be much happier, won't commit suicide, how it's medically necessary etc.

    That last bit is key: Deeming it 'medically necessary', the surgery will be viewed as saving the kid's life. If you're not on board with indulging and mutilating your kid, you'll be a bigoted, insane parent who is denying your child a needed medical procedure. Look at how anti-vaxxers are treated right now as an example.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    That last bit is key: Deeming it ‘medically necessary’, the surgery will be viewed as saving the kid’s life. If you’re not on board with indulging and mutilating your kid, you’ll be a bigoted, insane parent who is denying your child a needed medical procedure. Look at how anti-vaxxers are treated right now as an example.

    A very good point. I can certainly see that happening.

  313. @mobi
    @Honesthughgrant

    Yes, exactly.

    The push for '16 year-olds voting' comes from the usual suspects for a reason.

    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction - 'Weighted Democracy'. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.

    Ought to be feasible in our computer age. And quite defensible in the PR arena - after all, didn't 'he who pays the bills calls the shots' form the basis of household life for most of us?

    It would undermine all sorts of mischief. It would also make manipulation of the system by the super-rich self-limiting (the more they game the system to avoid paying taxes, they more they diminish their say in setting the rules'.)

    Don't wait for the enemy to define the terms of battle (as we now do).

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @JackOH, @dfordoom, @SFG

    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction – ‘Weighted Democracy’. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.

    That will never fly because it seems to be so obviously unjust (and in fact it really is unjust). It will simply reinforce the idea that the Right only cares about the rich, because mostly the Right has only cared about the rich.

    It’s also totally unnecessary. All you need to do is increase the minimum voting age to 25. What you need to do is to prevent college students from voting and the easy way to do that is by raising the voting age. And it has the advantage that it’s absolutely fair – everyone gets to vote, they just have to wait until they’re grown-ups.

    • Replies: @TheJester
    @dfordoom

    Concur. It is difficult to have a rational discussion with someone under the age of 21 (47 years of experience) ... and science tells us that the brains of young people are not fully developed until age 25. Until their mid-20s, young people characteristically make decisions based on peer pressure, group think, impulsiveness, hormones, and a systemic failure to assess and acknowledge consequences.

    A popular phrase from the 1960s: "If it feels good, do it!"

    A memorable phrase from my son when he was 18: "Dad, I have no idea why I did it ...."

    And these young people are allowed to vote?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  314. @Anonymous
    @Kylie

    can't find it now, but there was some salon/slate clickbait article awhile back from a 20 something SJW girl arguing to end the stigma of herpes. the comments were gold though.

    Replies: @CJ

    That story has been covered by Stacy McCain. Here’s his latest post on the subject:

    http://theothermccain.com/2016/06/30/dear-laurenduca-could-you-please-define-sexually-active-more-clearly/

  315. @Spmoore8
    @dfordoom

    Agreed. Dead tree books are surprisingly cheap now. However many books especially PD are available in unexpurgated PDFs, which is what OP had in mind. Also, many libraries toss priceless books for being un PC or simply low circulation.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Also, many libraries toss priceless books for being un PC or simply low circulation.

    Yep, I’ve picked up some great books that way.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @dfordoom

    Indeed! Funny how much 'obsolete' knowledge is still out there--Moldbug made great use of Google, whatever you think of his overall project.

    Any advice on how to go searching for old discarded pieces of un-PC gold (dead tree form)?

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  316. @Richard
    I doubt plural marriage will be the next crusade. I'm not seeing much agitation for it in the liberal underground (unlike what was happening for transgenderism while the last opponents of gay marriage were being mopped up), and we may be hitting the point of diminishing returns when it comes to sexuality-themed issues.

    I suggest the next war will be lowering the age of voting eligibility to 16. There's already chatter about it in the wake of Brexit, with the media running articles on 16 and 17 year olds upset at being denied "the chance to vote on their future," and leftists have been stroking their chins at the thought that if that age cohort had been able to vote, Brexit arguably would have failed. Last month, even before Brexit, San Francisco (which also kicked off gay marriage and World War T) arranged to have a measure placed on the ballot this November that would do just that.

    The first shots have already been fired.

    The brilliance of campaigning to lower the voting age is that it solves several problems at once. Most obviously, if the Left succeeds it adds more voters to their pile. But more than that, it changes the narrative on an issue the Left is starting to get hurt by: the American voter's realization that they don't like democracy very much. It's one thing for columnists like James Traub to call for a revolt of the elites against the political masses, but smart liberals have to know that setting yourself up against the people in an American electoral system is a loser. Lowering the voting age changes the whole game. How can you be called anti-democratic if you're fighting to expand the voting franchise? With the transgender revolution accomplished, Democrats will need a new civil rights issue to maintain their image of enlightened morality, and franchise expansion is in the grand tradition of American social activism.

    So we've got something that is superficially populist and pro-democratic, yet in its effects would be pro-globalist and pro-Democratic. It's a cinch.

    Here's a couple articles from San Francisco (one a news piece, the other an editorial) that introduces arguments we'll probably be hearing a lot of over the next few years:

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Supervisors-OK-ballot-measure-to-lower-SF-voting-7458077.php

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-S-F-should-lower-voting-age-7423793.php

    Replies: @5371, @Big Bill, @biz, @SPMoore8, @Diversity Heretic, @IBC, @Daniel H, @Chief Seattle, @Olorin

    Absolutely agree, and have already heard this in EU-based discussions of how to destroy Brexit and make sure it never happens again:

    1) Set up the EU as a federalist entity with absolute power over all its “member” countries (dissolved into kinda localized theme parks for different tourist and shoppingworthy Cultural Experiences TM).

    2) Extend the vote to people as young as 13-15.

    And here’s the killer:

    3) Apportion the weight of each vote by age demographic, so that 13 to 18 years olds get 100% of a vote, and the percentage goes down with increasing age. The scheme I ran across had people over 60 getting something like 20% of a vote per person.

    So the children run things, and get to spend everything the adults ever earned. Not quite sure how this would work after about 20 years.

    Where did I hear recently that the average/mean age of white people in California is something like 56, while the mean age of Mexicans is around 15? Is that accurate?

    For the global elite and their local henchmen, voting within nationalist and local legal regimes has been a barrier to them implementing their wills. They used to use war to kill off the young. Now they’re going the other way: producing and inviting in swarms of young to service the hive and the queen. This is, of course, matriarchy in a nutshell.

    Immivasion itself has been pumped explicitly as reengineering the generational structure of advanced civilized nations. Except that the laughable idea is an army of teenage Zika babies and jihadis and IQ-85 Africans will somehow take care of you when you’re old. No, those inviting the Immivaders have a job in mind for them: voting, and from their cell phones.

    So, indeed: globalist-fomented demographic intergenerational warfare is a major upcoming war. For starters, we’ve been experiencing it ever since the 1960s. (((The ad and media industries))) figured this out 50 years ago and used it to create a phony consumerist “youth culture.”

    Half a century later, extremely few people can see all that for what it was. E.g., many Baby Boomers still believe that Woodstock was something other than a canny understanding of age-structure/demographics that hit the jackpot by convincing them that fornicating in the mud was somehow revolutionary. Because it was on TV.

    All we need to do is look around and see how juvenile, egocentric, narcissistic, helpless, dependent, horny, awkward, and whiny are an increasingly large number of supposed adults.

    Look at population pyramids as further support for Richard’s POV:

    http://populationpyramid.net/

  317. @Former Darfur
    @Anonym

    Her figure in general and ass in particular are not of the caliber of Monroe, or Barbara Eden, or even the somewhat overrated Bettie Page in their primes, certainly. (Angie Dickinson was up there too.) But celebrity and success like celebrity and success, and although she isn't the best figure in the world, I'd be happy enough married to her if our personalities were compatible. She's not a dog by a long shot. Plus, Bundchen has had two kids. That always has some effect, and if she has them after her very early 20s it's never positive.

    Look at Taylor Swift, pretty face, but 5'10" and no booty. Look at Debbie Harry-who turns 71 today-at 35, or at 25 (she posed nude for a tech book on nude photography , Fine Figure Photography by Richard Santuci, 1970, and is on the cover) , neither are smokin' hot, but not too many guys would turn Taylor down today, or Debbie in her prime.

    Hell, I'd have done Chrissie Hynde if I had the chance (and she wasn't nuts), and she's much more boyish than any of the above women.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Truth, @SFG, @guest

    I think ass/no ass preference is something that may be intertwined with the DNA for ass/no ass. Both men and women have this physical difference although women will be expressed more strongly. Maybe it is related to overall muscularity – mesomorphism. Although one can still be muscular and missing glute muscle/fat development.

    Women like to be with a guy who is both taller, and also bigger than they are. But height is easy to measure, so the bigger thing is less known. This would tend to lead to mesomorph women ending up with mesomorph men. I would say I am mesomorphic, and strongly prefer hourglass type figures. That is one datapoint.

    I guess it all depends on how much of a dealbreaker any particular feature is. A lot of guys have ‘types’. Presumably attraction is fairly binary for certain features, which is why they always pursue and end up with the same sort of partner. Not everyone is like that. I would expect more picky, perfectionist types would be more ‘typey’. So it surprises me that Tom Brady has ended up with Bundchen. But homosexuals are typey too when it comes to women. They like men and the next best thing to a man is a mannish woman.

  318. @Former Darfur
    @Anonym

    Her figure in general and ass in particular are not of the caliber of Monroe, or Barbara Eden, or even the somewhat overrated Bettie Page in their primes, certainly. (Angie Dickinson was up there too.) But celebrity and success like celebrity and success, and although she isn't the best figure in the world, I'd be happy enough married to her if our personalities were compatible. She's not a dog by a long shot. Plus, Bundchen has had two kids. That always has some effect, and if she has them after her very early 20s it's never positive.

    Look at Taylor Swift, pretty face, but 5'10" and no booty. Look at Debbie Harry-who turns 71 today-at 35, or at 25 (she posed nude for a tech book on nude photography , Fine Figure Photography by Richard Santuci, 1970, and is on the cover) , neither are smokin' hot, but not too many guys would turn Taylor down today, or Debbie in her prime.

    Hell, I'd have done Chrissie Hynde if I had the chance (and she wasn't nuts), and she's much more boyish than any of the above women.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Truth, @SFG, @guest

    Bundchen, Swift, Harry?

    Dude please go back to the discussion we had on the last thread.

  319. Another likelihood: picking on a country with a bad-guy ruler in which homosexuality is illegal. There would be a campaign of military and economic harassment under the gay-is-a-human-right banner followed by acceptance of many refugees, gay and otherwise. It fits the Invade-Invite pattern.

    Sudan is a candidate because most people don’t know it’s African and Islamic. Also, it is very weak. A few Tomahawk missiles into Darfur from the Fifth Fleet and it would fold up like a cheap suit, long before common sense would have a chance to rear its ugly head. The American people will always jump at a chance for regime change given the proper media conditioning.

  320. Just a vent here. Memo to Statist Liberal: Okay, you’re saying the 1950s and 1960s, when I grew up, are the problem, right? Conformity, racism, sexism, hypocrisies and stupidities of all sorts, right? So you’re saying the solutions are uniform and universal state-mandated conformity, racism, etc., enforced by the police powers of the state. Okay, I guess I’m getting it.

  321. @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Steve,

    Why do you approve Anonymous' cr-p? These allegations against Trump are transparently false and obviously politically motivated and designed to neutralize any references Trump might make to Clinton's Epstein problems.


    the lawyer for Roberts and about 10 other Jane Does, said that after he served Trump with the subpoena in 2009, Trump immediately contacted him.

    "During the conversation, Mr. Trump was open and forthright... it was obvious to me that he was in no way involved in any untoward activity."
     
    It's obvious to anyone who looks at the women Trump has dated and married that he is attracted to women with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics. These political lawsuits reference 12 and 13 year old girls for maximum ick factor, but they would be more plausible if they were about well-developed 16 or 17 year olds, not girls.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Jack D, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “he is attracted to women with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics”

    Secondary? Seriously?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Secondary sexual characteristic is that which grows after the onset of puberty. E.g. sexual organs (penises and vaginas) are primary sexual characteristics, because children or little babies have them, too. Breasts and hourglass hips (or facial hair for guys) are secondary sexual characteristics, since pre-puberty nobody has them.

  322. @spandrell
    Polygamy doesn't quite fit the underdog narrative, does it?

    Poor little homos were discriminated... well yeah.
    Poor little trannies were discriminated... well of course.

    Poor little rich alpha men with 4 wives were discriminated... huh?
    It doesn't quite work like that. You don't get holy pokemon points by rooting for some greedy dude with multiple wives.

    There are many homosexuals in politics, and they feel very strongly about their right to have sex without consequences; and so they got that. There are an astonishingly large amount of pedophiles in politics; and they every now and then push for society to allow their perversion: but it doesn't fit the underdog narrative. A grown man trying to screw a young child just doesn't fly. It's impossible to get holy pokemon points by arguing to allow the sexual exploitation of children.

    So no polygamy, no pedophilia. I say it's animal rights: you do get holy pokemon points by caring about cutesy furry animals.
    It's either that or Sanders' communism redux.

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @Monopthalmus

    That’s why it’s going to be some bacha bazi garbage. Whatever the current ‘inner circle’ kink among the ruling elites is, that’s what will be pressed on the rest of us.

    The evidence for pedophile rings among the string-pullers of Western Civ is getting staggering at this point, even discounting the obvious tin-foil hat stuff.

  323. @Kylie
    @SPMoore8

    "Download all the good books and videos now, before it’s illegalized."

    Or just plain vanishes down the memory hole.

    Yes, I'm doing that. (Just downloaded The Letters of Robert Schumann that Cornell University uploaded to the Internet Archive. ) Project Gutenberg is great, too.

    Wikipedia entries have a horrible far left slant but the External Links often give good primary sources. Wikimedia Commons has wonderful digitized copyright free images and maps. And the IMSLP and CPDL have copyright free sheet music.

    I love the internet. From the first, I always used it as a portal to the past. It's been delightful but I don't expect it to last.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I love the internet. From the first, I always used it as a portal to the past.

    That’s how I use it as well. I’ve managed to insulate myself almost entirely from contemporary popular culture. I don’t read contemporary fiction, I don’t watch any current TV shows and I don’t see and contemporary movies. I immerse myself entirely in the past. It was a better world back then and it’s surprising just how successfully one can live in the past with just a little bit of effort. I strongly recommend it.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @dfordoom

    I do the exact same thing.

    I don't bother with books, movies and music that feature or promote, however subtly, cultural Marxism. I don't have cable and don't watch TV, except for some older shows on Netflix. I'm here so I do keep up with current events. But otherwise, like you, I live in the past. It's infinitely more enjoyable and less stressful than the present culture, which I find both dull and disgusting. I'm truly content with my choice and couldn't bear to live any other way.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  324. SFG says:
    @Former Darfur
    @The most deplorable one

    And they have/had John Moses Browning, a real god on earth.

    Indeed.

    In the entire history of technology, rarely has one individual been as influential as was John Moses Browning within his sphere of competency, firearms design. He could take a piece of old random iron, blacksmith it into approximate shape, and file and drill the resulting piece into a complex, yet no more complicated than really necessary, precision working mechanism.

    Quite a few of his designs are still in production, and not (necessarily or just) as reissue nostalgia pieces for cowboy shooting buffs and collectors. The crown jewel of his design prowess is, depending on your view of it, either the M1911 Colt pistol-a handgun that is still the choice of a good proportion of expert combat shooters and in many places still standard military and law enforcement issue, or the M2 heavy machine gun, a devastating piece of ordnance still very much in US frontline service.

    A list of his designs would take too long to provide here, those interested can, and will use the search engine of their choice to pull up a list. Notably, though, they include the Browning Hi-Power, M1911 and Colt Woodsman pistols, several Winchester lever action rifles including the ubiquitous 1894 .30-30, and several Winchester and Browning shotguns including the famous Auto-5 and the 1897 (I had to buy one after seeing Clark Gable with one in The Misfits...)

    It's hard to think of any rivals in any other fields. Kelly Johnson at Lockheed comes to mind, but really Johnson was more of an engineering manager than an engineer: no one man can claim to have designed any airplane Lockheed ever built past perhaps the Vega, or the prewar twin engine Electra: they are just too complicated. (The various Taylor and Piper Cubs, and most of the homebuilts popular in the post-WWII period, are one man airplanes and most look it. )

    Perhaps Edwin Howard Armstrong comes closest: he invented almost every circuit used in radio reception up until fairly recently, the regenerative, the superregenerative and the (all-important and totally dominant until DSP made software radio possible) superheterodyne, and invented FM broadcasting in its entirety.

    Replies: @SFG

    I suspect it’s more that an extremely talented invididual can have a much bigger effect on a field at its start. If he were born years later most of the major advances would already have been made, and as you say, after a while the big names are more managers than engineers because no one person can do everything anymore. Any famous pieces of software written by one person you can think of?

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @SFG

    Most all the early microcomputer applications and utilities were written by one person, one good example being AppleWriter by Paul Lutus. In the Unix world, usually a person would take on one program, like Eric Allman's notorious sendmail, or any of a lot of things but most famously emacs by Richard Stallman.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  325. @dfordoom
    @Spmoore8


    Also, many libraries toss priceless books for being un PC or simply low circulation.
     
    Yep, I've picked up some great books that way.

    Replies: @SFG

    Indeed! Funny how much ‘obsolete’ knowledge is still out there–Moldbug made great use of Google, whatever you think of his overall project.

    Any advice on how to go searching for old discarded pieces of un-PC gold (dead tree form)?

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @SFG

    20 or more years ago I would just go to the local library, they always seemed to have tables of books they were discarding. Even universities will discard books, usually after keeping the low circulation books in warehouses for many years. If you don't want to go looking around at local libraries, or used book stores -- a dying breed! -- go to web sites like abe dot come, alibris, ebay, or even amazon, they will have tons of used books available often for absurdly low prices and one of the reasons for that is because the books have been discarded by libraries. (Most of the price for a used book has to do with the appearance of the book; but even a fine or near fine copy of a book is unlikely to cost more than a Hamilton or a Tubman.)

    Replies: @Kylie

  326. @Drogger
    @e

    As the West declines so will the quality of our women...

    It was Toqueville, I believe, who said something about the quality of American women being excellent yadda yadda...

    Sad to say, but our women would lose if modesty, virginity, and virtue are valued traits in a female.

    Replies: @L Woods

    Not to mention modest wastelines.

  327. @Former Darfur
    @Anonym

    Her figure in general and ass in particular are not of the caliber of Monroe, or Barbara Eden, or even the somewhat overrated Bettie Page in their primes, certainly. (Angie Dickinson was up there too.) But celebrity and success like celebrity and success, and although she isn't the best figure in the world, I'd be happy enough married to her if our personalities were compatible. She's not a dog by a long shot. Plus, Bundchen has had two kids. That always has some effect, and if she has them after her very early 20s it's never positive.

    Look at Taylor Swift, pretty face, but 5'10" and no booty. Look at Debbie Harry-who turns 71 today-at 35, or at 25 (she posed nude for a tech book on nude photography , Fine Figure Photography by Richard Santuci, 1970, and is on the cover) , neither are smokin' hot, but not too many guys would turn Taylor down today, or Debbie in her prime.

    Hell, I'd have done Chrissie Hynde if I had the chance (and she wasn't nuts), and she's much more boyish than any of the above women.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Truth, @SFG, @guest

    Any woman cute enough to be famous as some sort of entertainer is cuter than 99% of women out there. That’s how they’re chosen.

    200 years ago a woman would only compare herself to the other women in her village or neighborhood; now she sees the most beautiful women in America staring at her on the cover of every magazine. You see where feminists get their ‘body image’ obsessions from.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @SFG


    now she sees the most beautiful women in America staring at her on the cover of every magazine.
     
    And Lena Dunham as well.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @guest
    @SFG

    That's simply wrong. Unless you're using a definition of "cute" Of wouldn't recognize. It would be more accurate to say high fashion models are picked for ugliness, though they're not. Ugliness just so happens to align with what they are picked for,which has nothing to do with what appeals to heterosexual men and most women (who also like what most heterosexual men are attracted to).

  328. SFG says:
    @mobi
    @Honesthughgrant

    Yes, exactly.

    The push for '16 year-olds voting' comes from the usual suspects for a reason.

    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction - 'Weighted Democracy'. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.

    Ought to be feasible in our computer age. And quite defensible in the PR arena - after all, didn't 'he who pays the bills calls the shots' form the basis of household life for most of us?

    It would undermine all sorts of mischief. It would also make manipulation of the system by the super-rich self-limiting (the more they game the system to avoid paying taxes, they more they diminish their say in setting the rules'.)

    Don't wait for the enemy to define the terms of battle (as we now do).

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @JackOH, @dfordoom, @SFG

    So you think the average Jew should get multiple votes? (Higher average income and hence tax donation.) Socially liberal SWPL suburbanites’ votes count more than blue-collar rednecks’? (Again.) Bill Gates and George Soros should get to vote hundreds of times? (Same reasoning.)

    Plus, as the other commenters have said, once this idea’s out of the bag, they’ll start race-weighting and sex-weighting votes.

    • Replies: @mobi
    @SFG

    But 'the average Jew', SWPLs, Soros, etc, already exert an out-sized influence on the direction of things, in good measure by manipulating the non-contributing mass of voters.


    Plus, as the other commenters have said, once this idea’s out of the bag, they’ll start race-weighting and sex-weighting votes.
     
    Except that 'racism' and 'sexism' are bad, while paying your taxes is good. (and thus a more respectable proxy for the other two).

    Raising the voting age to 25 (or whatever) is 'arbitrary and unfair', and thus a much harder sell than rewarding people in proportion to their contribution ('irrespective of race, gender, sexual orientation, age...'), because 'paying your way' is already considered fair outside the voting world.

    That's why we don't ban driving under 25, but we handicap it heavily (via insurance).

    Perhaps it would never fly, but perpetually playing defence isn't working out so well either.
    As counter-attack strategies go, it has more potential than most ('We need to take the vote away from women', for example).

    Replies: @dfordoom

  329. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Anonymous

    Looks like the Clintons are recycling the old Dominique Strauss-Kahn con. It suits the slime they inhabit. But Trump is a street fighter and far more savvy than Strauss-Kahn. I would not be surprised if this backfires.

    Replies: @EH

    “… recycling the old Dominique Strauss-Kahn con.”

    Can we call them Kahn-con girls? /cue music: “Orphée aux enfers”
    Is it really rape if she’s Offenbach on her back?

  330. @SFG
    @dfordoom

    Indeed! Funny how much 'obsolete' knowledge is still out there--Moldbug made great use of Google, whatever you think of his overall project.

    Any advice on how to go searching for old discarded pieces of un-PC gold (dead tree form)?

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    20 or more years ago I would just go to the local library, they always seemed to have tables of books they were discarding. Even universities will discard books, usually after keeping the low circulation books in warehouses for many years. If you don’t want to go looking around at local libraries, or used book stores — a dying breed! — go to web sites like abe dot come, alibris, ebay, or even amazon, they will have tons of used books available often for absurdly low prices and one of the reasons for that is because the books have been discarded by libraries. (Most of the price for a used book has to do with the appearance of the book; but even a fine or near fine copy of a book is unlikely to cost more than a Hamilton or a Tubman.)

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @SPMoore8

    Those are all great sources of dead tree gold (or gold dead trees).

    For narrowing the search down, I suggest searching Google Books. It gives some previews and a variety of editions, formats and buying options.

    For finding primary sources, I suggest Wikipedia. Seriously. The External Links often lead you to the Internet Archive or a university's library. You can search that to find books you just have to have in the dead tree format.

  331. @dfordoom
    @mobi


    The Right ought to have the courage to push back in the opposite direction – ‘Weighted Democracy’. Your vote is weighted according to how much you paid in taxes the previous year.
     
    That will never fly because it seems to be so obviously unjust (and in fact it really is unjust). It will simply reinforce the idea that the Right only cares about the rich, because mostly the Right has only cared about the rich.

    It's also totally unnecessary. All you need to do is increase the minimum voting age to 25. What you need to do is to prevent college students from voting and the easy way to do that is by raising the voting age. And it has the advantage that it's absolutely fair - everyone gets to vote, they just have to wait until they're grown-ups.

    Replies: @TheJester

    Concur. It is difficult to have a rational discussion with someone under the age of 21 (47 years of experience) … and science tells us that the brains of young people are not fully developed until age 25. Until their mid-20s, young people characteristically make decisions based on peer pressure, group think, impulsiveness, hormones, and a systemic failure to assess and acknowledge consequences.

    A popular phrase from the 1960s: “If it feels good, do it!”

    A memorable phrase from my son when he was 18: “Dad, I have no idea why I did it ….”

    And these young people are allowed to vote?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @TheJester

    One of the wisest men I ever knew said, "No one is an adult until they are 25".

  332. mobi says:
    @SFG
    @mobi

    So you think the average Jew should get multiple votes? (Higher average income and hence tax donation.) Socially liberal SWPL suburbanites' votes count more than blue-collar rednecks'? (Again.) Bill Gates and George Soros should get to vote hundreds of times? (Same reasoning.)

    Plus, as the other commenters have said, once this idea's out of the bag, they'll start race-weighting and sex-weighting votes.

    Replies: @mobi

    But ‘the average Jew’, SWPLs, Soros, etc, already exert an out-sized influence on the direction of things, in good measure by manipulating the non-contributing mass of voters.

    Plus, as the other commenters have said, once this idea’s out of the bag, they’ll start race-weighting and sex-weighting votes.

    Except that ‘racism’ and ‘sexism’ are bad, while paying your taxes is good. (and thus a more respectable proxy for the other two).

    Raising the voting age to 25 (or whatever) is ‘arbitrary and unfair’, and thus a much harder sell than rewarding people in proportion to their contribution (‘irrespective of race, gender, sexual orientation, age…’), because ‘paying your way’ is already considered fair outside the voting world.

    That’s why we don’t ban driving under 25, but we handicap it heavily (via insurance).

    Perhaps it would never fly, but perpetually playing defence isn’t working out so well either.
    As counter-attack strategies go, it has more potential than most (‘We need to take the vote away from women’, for example).

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @mobi


    Raising the voting age to 25 (or whatever) is ‘arbitrary and unfair’,
     
    How on earth can it be arbitrary and unfair? It means every single citizen, regardless of sex, race, social class or wealth has exactly the same voting rights.

    A tax qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the rich and the logical corollary is that the more tax you pay the more political rights you should have.

    It would also disenfranchise many elderly people. If Britain had had a tax qualification for the Brexit vote then Remain would have won an overwhelming victory.

    But if you want the Right to be thoroughly hated go ahead and push this idea.

    Replies: @guest, @mobi

  333. @Hepp
    No, they're not even close to finished with the gay and trans stuff.

    First, most states don't even have anti-discrimination laws based on these characteristics. Courts will start mandating them if they can't get a federal law soon.

    Then there's shutting down Christian schools by taking away their accreditation. Basically every Christian institution will have to change or be buried.

    Tax exempt status could be in danger.

    I'm amazed by how the new concept of "gay rights" is able to trample all over our centuries old concept of religious freedom with its long constitutional and historical legacy over a wide variety of contexts. But there's still a lot more that they can do.

    A good article on what's coming:

    http://theweek.com/articles/632613/dark-pessimism-american-christians

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Bobzilla, @This Is Our Home, @Anonymous

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    I think the next WW might be WW C - an all out attack on anything Christian. The left has already been successful in forcing Christian bakers to make wedding cakes for homos, and now they have forced a Christian dating site, where people pay, to accept poofters. Obama continues his efforts to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to provide birth control. So much for religious freedom. Look for lawsuits challenging the tax exempt status of Christian institutions. Muslims can of course continue to do what they want.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  334. I’m going to say, Animal Rights (world war A?). Been seeing some odd moral positioning in the mainstream press lately which suggests that vegans and animal rights types are edging closer to getting their mitts on “the narrative”.

  335. @Whiskey
    Woody Allen, Morgan Freeman, and Roman Polanski phoned in from the set of Bucket List Two, to say Jeffrey Epstein is pushing World War L. For Lolita. Plus, most imams approve.

    You don't want to be Islamaphobic now do you?

    Replies: @Jack D, @TheJester

    What can you say? Mohammedans believe that anything Mohammed did was moral and commendable (the Hadiths). Indeed, they are God-inspired examples for living for all future believers … and Mohammed, unlike Jesus, was not even tempted by the devil.

    From Wikipedia:

    “Aisha’s age at the time she was married to Muhammad has been of interest since the earliest days of Islam, and references to her age by early historians are frequent. According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad with the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Marriage_to_Muhammad

    QED … if you are a believer. Europe, beware, here they come!

  336. @Earl of Monahan
    Everyone's laughing, but honestly I predict that so-called "polyamory" will be the next culture war waged by the elites, and it's going to be ugly.

    If the Cathedral is successful in promoting the practice, it will affect housing prices when polyamorous groups with multiple adults price out traditional families. Because in practice polyamory means lots of women flocking to a few jerkboy Alpha males, it will create a population of surplus males with no marriage or sexual prospects.

    And it will affect average guys when cultural authority figures tell them that instead of getting violently angry, they should feel " compersion " when their wives and girlfriends talk about opening up the marriage.

    The elites will find the limits of how far they can push folks, and I tell you it's going to get bad.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @advancedatheist, @syonredux, @Warner, @rod1963, @AndrewR, @John Mansfield, @Connecticut Famer, @Prof. Woland, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @TheJester

    Polyamory (many loves) is just another word for “swinging”. It sounds better … kind of like they have so much love for others that they have to spread it as widely as they can throughout the community with as many people as possible. Who can argue with that, as it were? We’re hearing similar sentiments from the homosexual community as it seeks status as a socially legitimate and legally protected minority.

    As for cisgendered people in traditional, monogamous relationships? The diversity narrative makes clear that they are in need of intervention to cure their bigoted and hateful view of life.

  337. @Anonym
    @Jim Don Bob

    As for Giselle, her ass is defective and her figure resembles a surf board.

    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/566003/Gisele-Bundchen-bikini-body-Tom-Brady-holiday-Costa-Rica

    Some people like that sort of thing, but they are the exception. Maybe Brady has gay tendencies, or he is the sort of rich person that likes to choose things based on their price/status and not their functionality.

    Replies: @guest, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Former Darfur, @candid_observer

  338. @SPMoore8
    @SFG

    20 or more years ago I would just go to the local library, they always seemed to have tables of books they were discarding. Even universities will discard books, usually after keeping the low circulation books in warehouses for many years. If you don't want to go looking around at local libraries, or used book stores -- a dying breed! -- go to web sites like abe dot come, alibris, ebay, or even amazon, they will have tons of used books available often for absurdly low prices and one of the reasons for that is because the books have been discarded by libraries. (Most of the price for a used book has to do with the appearance of the book; but even a fine or near fine copy of a book is unlikely to cost more than a Hamilton or a Tubman.)

    Replies: @Kylie

    Those are all great sources of dead tree gold (or gold dead trees).

    For narrowing the search down, I suggest searching Google Books. It gives some previews and a variety of editions, formats and buying options.

    For finding primary sources, I suggest Wikipedia. Seriously. The External Links often lead you to the Internet Archive or a university’s library. You can search that to find books you just have to have in the dead tree format.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  339. @SFG
    @Former Darfur

    Any woman cute enough to be famous as some sort of entertainer is cuter than 99% of women out there. That's how they're chosen.

    200 years ago a woman would only compare herself to the other women in her village or neighborhood; now she sees the most beautiful women in America staring at her on the cover of every magazine. You see where feminists get their 'body image' obsessions from.

    Replies: @Lurker, @guest

    now she sees the most beautiful women in America staring at her on the cover of every magazine.

    And Lena Dunham as well.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Lurker

    I was eating!

  340. mobi says:

    Re: ‘Weighted Democracy’

    Everyone retains one base vote. Undermining the disenfranchisement counter-argument. ‘We’re not taking the vote away from anyone’.

    Everyone who actually pays taxes gets extra vote weights on top of base vote.

    Weighted by tax bracket, not gross taxes paid. Undermining the ‘super-rich’ counter-argument. 10% bracket? 1 extra vote. 25%? 2.5 extra votes. 39%? 3.9 extra votes…

    The vote skews older. It skews male. It skews white. It skews employed…

    And yes, SFG, it ‘skews Jew’. If that’s a problem for anyone, they could console themselves that it probably skews away from jewish influence indirectly (assuming the least-contributing voters are the most easily manipulated).

    The enemy has invested great effort, successfully, in controlling the course of events by dictating the terms of discussion:

    Age-discrimination? “Bad!” Gender discrimination? “Bad!” Discrimination based on race or sexual orientation? “Bad, Bad, Bad!!”

    Tax-paying? “Ummm…”

    They haven’t invested in demonizing ‘hard-working taxpayers’ because they can’t. If they have weaknesses, this is one of them.

    So instead of giving up because ‘it probably won’t work’, why doesn’t the right take a page from Trump and go on the attack, and let them scramble to defend?

    Better, or worse, than what we have now?

    • Replies: @SFG
    @mobi

    Once you make it logarithmic rather than linear (so Bill Gates gets 7 extra votes instead of 7,000,000), it sounds reasonable.

    Hasn't this already been more-or-less tried with poll taxes though?

    , @dfordoom
    @mobi


    Weighted by tax bracket, not gross taxes paid. Undermining the ‘super-rich’ counter-argument. 10% bracket? 1 extra vote. 25%? 2.5 extra votes. 39%? 3.9 extra votes…
     
    So why not just be honest and say that henceforth political rights will be sold for cold hard cash. The more money you have the more political rights you can buy. No need for the serfs to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give rich people more legal rights as well? The testimony of a rich person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little poor person.

    Of course a tax-weighted voting system would also dramatically reduce the political rights of some races so publicly proposing such a system would cause such a firestorm as to discredit the political Right for generations. It would be about as popular as suggesting the re-introduction of the Jim Crow laws. Frankly I can't think of any proposal more guaranteed to destroy the Right utterly and permanently than tax-weighted voting.

    Replies: @mobi

  341. @Honesthughgrant
    Anybody who thinks 16 year olds will vote conservative is an idiot. They are easily manipulated by the liberal mass media, know nothing, and are concerned with peer pressure. The vast majority don't have jobs or pay taxes.

    Replies: @mobi, @Lurker

    A line I sometimes hear is “Old enough to pay taxes, old enough to vote.”

    This is clever as it raises the idea that voting should be based on some sort of contribution – like paying taxes – but the sleight-of-hand is usually missed, that most 16 year olds do not pay taxes. And the proposers of this idea would actually recoil in horror at voting based on tax paying.

    Another version is “Old enough to fight for your country, old enough to vote.” Again it raises an arguable point but employs the same sleight-of-hand. Most under 18s are not in the military. (This second one is one Ive seen used in the UK. Under 18s are in the military)

  342. @BB753
    @RadicalCenter

    Make it 30, and leave women out.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    And substantial (house) property owners only.

    • Agree: BB753
  343. @TheJester
    @dfordoom

    Concur. It is difficult to have a rational discussion with someone under the age of 21 (47 years of experience) ... and science tells us that the brains of young people are not fully developed until age 25. Until their mid-20s, young people characteristically make decisions based on peer pressure, group think, impulsiveness, hormones, and a systemic failure to assess and acknowledge consequences.

    A popular phrase from the 1960s: "If it feels good, do it!"

    A memorable phrase from my son when he was 18: "Dad, I have no idea why I did it ...."

    And these young people are allowed to vote?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    One of the wisest men I ever knew said, “No one is an adult until they are 25”.

  344. @Anonymous
    @Hepp

    Here's another "Christian Institution" biting the dust:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/1/christianmingle-loses-lawsuit-must-now-include-gay/

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I think the next WW might be WW C – an all out attack on anything Christian. The left has already been successful in forcing Christian bakers to make wedding cakes for homos, and now they have forced a Christian dating site, where people pay, to accept poofters. Obama continues his efforts to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to provide birth control. So much for religious freedom. Look for lawsuits challenging the tax exempt status of Christian institutions. Muslims can of course continue to do what they want.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Jim Don Bob


    I think the next WW might be WW C – an all out attack on anything Christian.
     
    It's already happening. There is a certain religion/ethnicity that is determined to stamp out Christianity completely and forever. Now who could that be? I'll give you a hint - it isn't the Muslims.

    In fact there are two religious groups determined to destroy Christianity. There's the one I've already mentioned and then there are the fundamentalist atheists.

    The irony is that it isn't necessary - Christianity has already destroyed itself. All that is left is an empty shell. The War on Christianity is a war on a dead religion.
  345. @Lurker
    @SFG


    now she sees the most beautiful women in America staring at her on the cover of every magazine.
     
    And Lena Dunham as well.

    Replies: @SFG

    I was eating!

  346. @mobi
    Re: 'Weighted Democracy'

    Everyone retains one base vote. Undermining the disenfranchisement counter-argument. 'We're not taking the vote away from anyone'.

    Everyone who actually pays taxes gets extra vote weights on top of base vote.

    Weighted by tax bracket, not gross taxes paid. Undermining the 'super-rich' counter-argument. 10% bracket? 1 extra vote. 25%? 2.5 extra votes. 39%? 3.9 extra votes...

    The vote skews older. It skews male. It skews white. It skews employed...

    And yes, SFG, it 'skews Jew'. If that's a problem for anyone, they could console themselves that it probably skews away from jewish influence indirectly (assuming the least-contributing voters are the most easily manipulated).

    The enemy has invested great effort, successfully, in controlling the course of events by dictating the terms of discussion:

    Age-discrimination? "Bad!" Gender discrimination? "Bad!" Discrimination based on race or sexual orientation? "Bad, Bad, Bad!!"

    Tax-paying? "Ummm..."

    They haven't invested in demonizing 'hard-working taxpayers' because they can't. If they have weaknesses, this is one of them.

    So instead of giving up because 'it probably won't work', why doesn't the right take a page from Trump and go on the attack, and let them scramble to defend?

    Better, or worse, than what we have now?

    Replies: @SFG, @dfordoom

    Once you make it logarithmic rather than linear (so Bill Gates gets 7 extra votes instead of 7,000,000), it sounds reasonable.

    Hasn’t this already been more-or-less tried with poll taxes though?

  347. @Anonymous
    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation. That's a real parallel society. Incredible because the actual Book of Mormon is so juvenile. Nobody ever quotes from it because it is third rate writing. Hubbard must have decided to invent his own religion (Anybody could write this crap!) after stumbling across the Book of Mormon.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @gruff, @Former Darfur, @Anonym, @sansfoy, @Pat Gilligan, @Crawfurdmuir, @anon

    You know the Mormons have never been with us, the Americans. They are their own nation.

    As a white person how do you feel about Israel’s strict immigration policy?

  348. @SFG
    @Former Darfur

    Any woman cute enough to be famous as some sort of entertainer is cuter than 99% of women out there. That's how they're chosen.

    200 years ago a woman would only compare herself to the other women in her village or neighborhood; now she sees the most beautiful women in America staring at her on the cover of every magazine. You see where feminists get their 'body image' obsessions from.

    Replies: @Lurker, @guest

    That’s simply wrong. Unless you’re using a definition of “cute” Of wouldn’t recognize. It would be more accurate to say high fashion models are picked for ugliness, though they’re not. Ugliness just so happens to align with what they are picked for,which has nothing to do with what appeals to heterosexual men and most women (who also like what most heterosexual men are attracted to).

  349. @Former Darfur
    @Anonym

    Her figure in general and ass in particular are not of the caliber of Monroe, or Barbara Eden, or even the somewhat overrated Bettie Page in their primes, certainly. (Angie Dickinson was up there too.) But celebrity and success like celebrity and success, and although she isn't the best figure in the world, I'd be happy enough married to her if our personalities were compatible. She's not a dog by a long shot. Plus, Bundchen has had two kids. That always has some effect, and if she has them after her very early 20s it's never positive.

    Look at Taylor Swift, pretty face, but 5'10" and no booty. Look at Debbie Harry-who turns 71 today-at 35, or at 25 (she posed nude for a tech book on nude photography , Fine Figure Photography by Richard Santuci, 1970, and is on the cover) , neither are smokin' hot, but not too many guys would turn Taylor down today, or Debbie in her prime.

    Hell, I'd have done Chrissie Hynde if I had the chance (and she wasn't nuts), and she's much more boyish than any of the above women.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Truth, @SFG, @guest

    I haven’t studied the bodies of Taylor Swift and Debbie Harry closely. The latter would be easier to judge if she did nude modelling, as you say. But I can say with confidence at the outset that both are easily prettier and more feminine than Gisele. Neither jumped to fame from the world of high fashion, and therefore weren’t selected for those kind of features.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    You also don't have to be gorgeous to be a top model. You do have to be able to wear and present clothes well and appeal to buyers. Perhaps Giselle's looks sell better world-wide than a more "American" looking woman. I don't know anything about fashion, and I don't care about it, but I am continually surprised at how much money there is sloshing around in the fashion world. I read recently that Giselle made $40 million last year; Tom made less than 20. But he has four Super Bowl rings.

  350. @JackOH
    @mobi

    "Tax-weighted" voting sounds like it's worth some grant money for an interested poli sci prof or independent researcher to rough out details and provide historical context.

    But, I suspect "tax-weighted" voting right now is illegal, plus you'd run into a buzz saw of tax-avoiders and tax consumers invoking slippery-slope arguments about "race-weighting", "sex-weighting", diminution of the franchise, etc.

    Replies: @guest

    We could go by property ownership instead of tax paying status. I like Henry George-type radicals better than the ones we have now, anyway.

  351. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The end goal is normalizing pedophilia.

    Hollywood provides hints in advance e.g. the first half hour or so of “The Nice Guys” had multiple associations of children with adult sexual activity.

    The path is indirect by necessity as they have to overturn other taboos to destroy resistance bit by bit.

    Lowering the age of voting as a prelude to lowering the age of consent bit by bit does seem plausible.

    The people who hijacked the western elite are literally satanic – not in the direct sense but as a result of their hatred for Christianity.

  352. @guest
    @Former Darfur

    I haven't studied the bodies of Taylor Swift and Debbie Harry closely. The latter would be easier to judge if she did nude modelling, as you say. But I can say with confidence at the outset that both are easily prettier and more feminine than Gisele. Neither jumped to fame from the world of high fashion, and therefore weren't selected for those kind of features.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    You also don’t have to be gorgeous to be a top model. You do have to be able to wear and present clothes well and appeal to buyers. Perhaps Giselle’s looks sell better world-wide than a more “American” looking woman. I don’t know anything about fashion, and I don’t care about it, but I am continually surprised at how much money there is sloshing around in the fashion world. I read recently that Giselle made $40 million last year; Tom made less than 20. But he has four Super Bowl rings.

  353. (if you’re American), the 24th amendment to the Constitution:

    “The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.”

    (tax-based voting rights actually have a history, it seems, all the way to the Supreme Court).

    So, a litmus test:

    “Mr. [prospective Supreme Court Justice]: where do you stand on the contention that rewarding hard-working taxpayers with bonus votes does not constitute denying anyone the right to vote, and thus does not violate the 24th amendment?”

    They want ‘a living, breathing document’, start giving it to them, good and hard.

    In the end, there’s no way out of the gathering mess that doesn’t require undoing things that have been done.

  354. and the 24th amendment does not seem to apply at the state level.

  355. @mobi
    @SFG

    But 'the average Jew', SWPLs, Soros, etc, already exert an out-sized influence on the direction of things, in good measure by manipulating the non-contributing mass of voters.


    Plus, as the other commenters have said, once this idea’s out of the bag, they’ll start race-weighting and sex-weighting votes.
     
    Except that 'racism' and 'sexism' are bad, while paying your taxes is good. (and thus a more respectable proxy for the other two).

    Raising the voting age to 25 (or whatever) is 'arbitrary and unfair', and thus a much harder sell than rewarding people in proportion to their contribution ('irrespective of race, gender, sexual orientation, age...'), because 'paying your way' is already considered fair outside the voting world.

    That's why we don't ban driving under 25, but we handicap it heavily (via insurance).

    Perhaps it would never fly, but perpetually playing defence isn't working out so well either.
    As counter-attack strategies go, it has more potential than most ('We need to take the vote away from women', for example).

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Raising the voting age to 25 (or whatever) is ‘arbitrary and unfair’,

    How on earth can it be arbitrary and unfair? It means every single citizen, regardless of sex, race, social class or wealth has exactly the same voting rights.

    A tax qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the rich and the logical corollary is that the more tax you pay the more political rights you should have.

    It would also disenfranchise many elderly people. If Britain had had a tax qualification for the Brexit vote then Remain would have won an overwhelming victory.

    But if you want the Right to be thoroughly hated go ahead and push this idea.

    • Replies: @guest
    @dfordoom

    Everyone had the right to get married before the existence of gay marriage, just not to members of their own sex. But SCOTUS said that was unfair, because...some reason. Raising the voting age is also unfair because of some reason. Western man is adept at coming up with Some Reasons.

    , @mobi
    @dfordoom


    How on earth can it be arbitrary and unfair? It means every single citizen, regardless of sex, race, social class or wealth has exactly the same voting rights.
     
    what about age?

    A tax qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the rich and the logical corollary is that the more tax you pay the more political rights you should have.
     
    'an age qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the older, and the logical corollary is that the older you are the more political rights you should have'

    And no, it's a straw man argument. The proposal wasn't to give voting rights only to the rich. Rather, to everyone and anyone who contributes to the costs of what's being voted on, in some proportion to how much they contribute.

    Rather like decisions in every family in the nation, or world. Rather like decisions about authority, power, compensation, etc, in every serious enterprise in the world. Notice how none of this is based on age, nor should it be.

    It would also disenfranchise many elderly people. If Britain had had a tax qualification for the Brexit vote then Remain would have won an overwhelming victory.
     
    I'll give you this one. Quite valid, though I doubt tax-weighted voting would have disenfranchised the elderly any more than the young 'Remainers'

    But this is a matter for fine details. 'Based on taxes paid the previous year' was off the top of my head, for illustration. To the extent feasible, it could, and should, instead be based on cumulative taxes paid.

    But if you want the Right to be thoroughly hated go ahead and push this idea.
     
    Newsflash! (they hate you already. More so the more you fear their hatred.)

    Stand on your feet.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  356. @mobi
    Re: 'Weighted Democracy'

    Everyone retains one base vote. Undermining the disenfranchisement counter-argument. 'We're not taking the vote away from anyone'.

    Everyone who actually pays taxes gets extra vote weights on top of base vote.

    Weighted by tax bracket, not gross taxes paid. Undermining the 'super-rich' counter-argument. 10% bracket? 1 extra vote. 25%? 2.5 extra votes. 39%? 3.9 extra votes...

    The vote skews older. It skews male. It skews white. It skews employed...

    And yes, SFG, it 'skews Jew'. If that's a problem for anyone, they could console themselves that it probably skews away from jewish influence indirectly (assuming the least-contributing voters are the most easily manipulated).

    The enemy has invested great effort, successfully, in controlling the course of events by dictating the terms of discussion:

    Age-discrimination? "Bad!" Gender discrimination? "Bad!" Discrimination based on race or sexual orientation? "Bad, Bad, Bad!!"

    Tax-paying? "Ummm..."

    They haven't invested in demonizing 'hard-working taxpayers' because they can't. If they have weaknesses, this is one of them.

    So instead of giving up because 'it probably won't work', why doesn't the right take a page from Trump and go on the attack, and let them scramble to defend?

    Better, or worse, than what we have now?

    Replies: @SFG, @dfordoom

    Weighted by tax bracket, not gross taxes paid. Undermining the ‘super-rich’ counter-argument. 10% bracket? 1 extra vote. 25%? 2.5 extra votes. 39%? 3.9 extra votes…

    So why not just be honest and say that henceforth political rights will be sold for cold hard cash. The more money you have the more political rights you can buy. No need for the serfs to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give rich people more legal rights as well? The testimony of a rich person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little poor person.

    Of course a tax-weighted voting system would also dramatically reduce the political rights of some races so publicly proposing such a system would cause such a firestorm as to discredit the political Right for generations. It would be about as popular as suggesting the re-introduction of the Jim Crow laws. Frankly I can’t think of any proposal more guaranteed to destroy the Right utterly and permanently than tax-weighted voting.

    • Replies: @mobi
    @dfordoom


    The more money you have the more political rights you can buy. No need for the serfs to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give rich people more legal rights as well? The testimony of a rich person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little poor person.
     
    'The older you are, the more political rights you have. No need for young adults to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give older people more legal rights as well? The testimony of an older person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little young person.'

    Of course a tax-weighted voting system would also dramatically reduce the political rights of some races so publicly proposing such a system would cause such a firestorm as to discredit the political Right for generations. It would be about as popular as suggesting the re-introduction of the Jim Crow laws. Frankly I can’t think of any proposal more guaranteed to destroy the Right utterly and permanently than tax-weighted voting.
     
    ok, I won't continue substituting 'age' for 'money' ad nauseum. Hopefully, you've taken my point.

    Why 25? Why not 30? Or better yet, 50? And since the population over 50 is much whiter than below, why not drop the pretense and just go straight to Jim Crow?

    Seriously, though, raising the voting age to 25 is a good idea. Weighting votes by contribution is, too. Better, in fact. But they both attempt the same thing - to skew the voting pool toward greater sanity (from the perspective and interests of you and I, mind you), and away from the gathering Bolshevik storm (not much exaggeration intended).

    It's a question more of tactics.

    The left have clearly gathered the power, and laid the infrastructure, to shout down, and shut down, any maneuvers by the right based on 'identity'. Gender, race, sexual orientation, and yes, age.

    Try proposing a rise in voting age to 25. You nasty Ageist,bigot, you! Young people are the future. They cannot help their age. What about the many thousands of under-25s who pay more in taxes than you (or I). Why no franchise for them? Arbitrary.

    And what happens when every single future voter in the country loses their voting rights to 'the Right', while being absolutely certain to gain them 7 years later than they expected?

    It will be good for 'the Right', will it?

    Tax-weighting is better for 2 reasons - one, it's more just. He who pays the bills ought to have more say in what the bills are. Age has no case here.

    Two - 'Taxists!' doesn't work. And it really can't. i hope you can see why.

    Not for nothing has 'hard-working taxpayer' become the empty platitude of choice in politics.

    Anyway, we're probably after the same thing, roughly. Perhaps we need both.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  357. @dfordoom
    @mobi


    Raising the voting age to 25 (or whatever) is ‘arbitrary and unfair’,
     
    How on earth can it be arbitrary and unfair? It means every single citizen, regardless of sex, race, social class or wealth has exactly the same voting rights.

    A tax qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the rich and the logical corollary is that the more tax you pay the more political rights you should have.

    It would also disenfranchise many elderly people. If Britain had had a tax qualification for the Brexit vote then Remain would have won an overwhelming victory.

    But if you want the Right to be thoroughly hated go ahead and push this idea.

    Replies: @guest, @mobi

    Everyone had the right to get married before the existence of gay marriage, just not to members of their own sex. But SCOTUS said that was unfair, because…some reason. Raising the voting age is also unfair because of some reason. Western man is adept at coming up with Some Reasons.

  358. @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    I think the next WW might be WW C - an all out attack on anything Christian. The left has already been successful in forcing Christian bakers to make wedding cakes for homos, and now they have forced a Christian dating site, where people pay, to accept poofters. Obama continues his efforts to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to provide birth control. So much for religious freedom. Look for lawsuits challenging the tax exempt status of Christian institutions. Muslims can of course continue to do what they want.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I think the next WW might be WW C – an all out attack on anything Christian.

    It’s already happening. There is a certain religion/ethnicity that is determined to stamp out Christianity completely and forever. Now who could that be? I’ll give you a hint – it isn’t the Muslims.

    In fact there are two religious groups determined to destroy Christianity. There’s the one I’ve already mentioned and then there are the fundamentalist atheists.

    The irony is that it isn’t necessary – Christianity has already destroyed itself. All that is left is an empty shell. The War on Christianity is a war on a dead religion.

  359. @SFG
    @Former Darfur

    I suspect it's more that an extremely talented invididual can have a much bigger effect on a field at its start. If he were born years later most of the major advances would already have been made, and as you say, after a while the big names are more managers than engineers because no one person can do everything anymore. Any famous pieces of software written by one person you can think of?

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Most all the early microcomputer applications and utilities were written by one person, one good example being AppleWriter by Paul Lutus. In the Unix world, usually a person would take on one program, like Eric Allman’s notorious sendmail, or any of a lot of things but most famously emacs by Richard Stallman.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Former Darfur

    Grep by Ken Thompson, vi by Bill Joy, sed by Lee E. McMahon, usw.

  360. mobi says:
    @dfordoom
    @mobi


    Raising the voting age to 25 (or whatever) is ‘arbitrary and unfair’,
     
    How on earth can it be arbitrary and unfair? It means every single citizen, regardless of sex, race, social class or wealth has exactly the same voting rights.

    A tax qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the rich and the logical corollary is that the more tax you pay the more political rights you should have.

    It would also disenfranchise many elderly people. If Britain had had a tax qualification for the Brexit vote then Remain would have won an overwhelming victory.

    But if you want the Right to be thoroughly hated go ahead and push this idea.

    Replies: @guest, @mobi

    How on earth can it be arbitrary and unfair? It means every single citizen, regardless of sex, race, social class or wealth has exactly the same voting rights.

    what about age?

    A tax qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the rich and the logical corollary is that the more tax you pay the more political rights you should have.

    ‘an age qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the older, and the logical corollary is that the older you are the more political rights you should have’

    And no, it’s a straw man argument. The proposal wasn’t to give voting rights only to the rich. Rather, to everyone and anyone who contributes to the costs of what’s being voted on, in some proportion to how much they contribute.

    Rather like decisions in every family in the nation, or world. Rather like decisions about authority, power, compensation, etc, in every serious enterprise in the world. Notice how none of this is based on age, nor should it be.

    It would also disenfranchise many elderly people. If Britain had had a tax qualification for the Brexit vote then Remain would have won an overwhelming victory.

    I’ll give you this one. Quite valid, though I doubt tax-weighted voting would have disenfranchised the elderly any more than the young ‘Remainers’

    But this is a matter for fine details. ‘Based on taxes paid the previous year’ was off the top of my head, for illustration. To the extent feasible, it could, and should, instead be based on cumulative taxes paid.

    But if you want the Right to be thoroughly hated go ahead and push this idea.

    Newsflash! (they hate you already. More so the more you fear their hatred.)

    Stand on your feet.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @mobi


    ‘an age qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the older, and the logical corollary is that the older you are the more political rights you should have’
     
    Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. Everybody gets to be older, whether they like it or not. Every single person, black or white, male or female, Christian or atheist, rich or poor, will reach the age of 25 one day. After which they can vote. It's exactly the same as the current system except that everyone without exception has to wait a few more years.

    If you believe that's unfair then you must believe in voting rights for newborn babies. Anything else would be grossly unfair! Why don't babies have political rights?

    Those who push tax-weighted voting simply want to disenfranchise certain socio-economic classes that they don't approve of and increase the power of their own socio-economic class. That's selfish, short-sighted and amounts to a declaration of class war. It's the sort of scheme that people like George Soros and Hillary Clinton pray that the Right will come up with. It's suicidal.
  361. mobi says:
    @dfordoom
    @mobi


    Weighted by tax bracket, not gross taxes paid. Undermining the ‘super-rich’ counter-argument. 10% bracket? 1 extra vote. 25%? 2.5 extra votes. 39%? 3.9 extra votes…
     
    So why not just be honest and say that henceforth political rights will be sold for cold hard cash. The more money you have the more political rights you can buy. No need for the serfs to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give rich people more legal rights as well? The testimony of a rich person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little poor person.

    Of course a tax-weighted voting system would also dramatically reduce the political rights of some races so publicly proposing such a system would cause such a firestorm as to discredit the political Right for generations. It would be about as popular as suggesting the re-introduction of the Jim Crow laws. Frankly I can't think of any proposal more guaranteed to destroy the Right utterly and permanently than tax-weighted voting.

    Replies: @mobi

    The more money you have the more political rights you can buy. No need for the serfs to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give rich people more legal rights as well? The testimony of a rich person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little poor person.

    ‘The older you are, the more political rights you have. No need for young adults to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give older people more legal rights as well? The testimony of an older person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little young person.’

    Of course a tax-weighted voting system would also dramatically reduce the political rights of some races so publicly proposing such a system would cause such a firestorm as to discredit the political Right for generations. It would be about as popular as suggesting the re-introduction of the Jim Crow laws. Frankly I can’t think of any proposal more guaranteed to destroy the Right utterly and permanently than tax-weighted voting.

    ok, I won’t continue substituting ‘age’ for ‘money’ ad nauseum. Hopefully, you’ve taken my point.

    Why 25? Why not 30? Or better yet, 50? And since the population over 50 is much whiter than below, why not drop the pretense and just go straight to Jim Crow?

    Seriously, though, raising the voting age to 25 is a good idea. Weighting votes by contribution is, too. Better, in fact. But they both attempt the same thing – to skew the voting pool toward greater sanity (from the perspective and interests of you and I, mind you), and away from the gathering Bolshevik storm (not much exaggeration intended).

    It’s a question more of tactics.

    The left have clearly gathered the power, and laid the infrastructure, to shout down, and shut down, any maneuvers by the right based on ‘identity’. Gender, race, sexual orientation, and yes, age.

    Try proposing a rise in voting age to 25. You nasty Ageist,bigot, you! Young people are the future. They cannot help their age. What about the many thousands of under-25s who pay more in taxes than you (or I). Why no franchise for them? Arbitrary.

    And what happens when every single future voter in the country loses their voting rights to ‘the Right’, while being absolutely certain to gain them 7 years later than they expected?

    It will be good for ‘the Right’, will it?

    Tax-weighting is better for 2 reasons – one, it’s more just. He who pays the bills ought to have more say in what the bills are. Age has no case here.

    Two – ‘Taxists!’ doesn’t work. And it really can’t. i hope you can see why.

    Not for nothing has ‘hard-working taxpayer’ become the empty platitude of choice in politics.

    Anyway, we’re probably after the same thing, roughly. Perhaps we need both.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @mobi


    Anyway, we’re probably after the same thing, roughly. Perhaps we need both.
     
    We are after roughly the same thing. A less emotional more rational electorate that is more likely to take a long-term view.

    The really really big problem in today's Bizarro World though is that the richer and better-educated a person is the crazier their political views seem to be. We'd actually get better government if we took voting rights away from anyone with a college degree! Or if we took voting rights away from billionaires.

    We have created the first society in history in which education is actually a minus - people come out of the end of the process dumber than when they started. That's why any reform of the voting process won't work - every measure that should in theory work is actually likely to produce worse results.

    Personally I favour a return to absolutist monarchy.

    Replies: @Kylie

  362. Newsflash! (they hate you already. More so the more you fear their hatred.)

    Who is this they? I’m happy to be hated by globalist elites and their enablers, and by their moronic army of SJWs. Your idea would lead to the Right being hated by absolutely everybody, including those whose support we need to win. In fact if the Right adopted tax-weighted voting I’d hate the Right. It’s an idea that is impractical and unworkable, would be guaranteed to be massively unpopular and it’s inherently evil.

  363. @mobi
    @dfordoom


    How on earth can it be arbitrary and unfair? It means every single citizen, regardless of sex, race, social class or wealth has exactly the same voting rights.
     
    what about age?

    A tax qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the rich and the logical corollary is that the more tax you pay the more political rights you should have.
     
    'an age qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the older, and the logical corollary is that the older you are the more political rights you should have'

    And no, it's a straw man argument. The proposal wasn't to give voting rights only to the rich. Rather, to everyone and anyone who contributes to the costs of what's being voted on, in some proportion to how much they contribute.

    Rather like decisions in every family in the nation, or world. Rather like decisions about authority, power, compensation, etc, in every serious enterprise in the world. Notice how none of this is based on age, nor should it be.

    It would also disenfranchise many elderly people. If Britain had had a tax qualification for the Brexit vote then Remain would have won an overwhelming victory.
     
    I'll give you this one. Quite valid, though I doubt tax-weighted voting would have disenfranchised the elderly any more than the young 'Remainers'

    But this is a matter for fine details. 'Based on taxes paid the previous year' was off the top of my head, for illustration. To the extent feasible, it could, and should, instead be based on cumulative taxes paid.

    But if you want the Right to be thoroughly hated go ahead and push this idea.
     
    Newsflash! (they hate you already. More so the more you fear their hatred.)

    Stand on your feet.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    ‘an age qualification essentially says that political rights are only for the older, and the logical corollary is that the older you are the more political rights you should have’

    Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. Everybody gets to be older, whether they like it or not. Every single person, black or white, male or female, Christian or atheist, rich or poor, will reach the age of 25 one day. After which they can vote. It’s exactly the same as the current system except that everyone without exception has to wait a few more years.

    If you believe that’s unfair then you must believe in voting rights for newborn babies. Anything else would be grossly unfair! Why don’t babies have political rights?

    Those who push tax-weighted voting simply want to disenfranchise certain socio-economic classes that they don’t approve of and increase the power of their own socio-economic class. That’s selfish, short-sighted and amounts to a declaration of class war. It’s the sort of scheme that people like George Soros and Hillary Clinton pray that the Right will come up with. It’s suicidal.

  364. • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/03/movies/michael-cimino-director-of-the-deer-hunter-and-heavens-gate-dies-at-77.html?_r=0

  365. @dfordoom
    @Kylie


    I love the internet. From the first, I always used it as a portal to the past.
     
    That's how I use it as well. I've managed to insulate myself almost entirely from contemporary popular culture. I don't read contemporary fiction, I don't watch any current TV shows and I don't see and contemporary movies. I immerse myself entirely in the past. It was a better world back then and it's surprising just how successfully one can live in the past with just a little bit of effort. I strongly recommend it.

    Replies: @Kylie

    I do the exact same thing.

    I don’t bother with books, movies and music that feature or promote, however subtly, cultural Marxism. I don’t have cable and don’t watch TV, except for some older shows on Netflix. I’m here so I do keep up with current events. But otherwise, like you, I live in the past. It’s infinitely more enjoyable and less stressful than the present culture, which I find both dull and disgusting. I’m truly content with my choice and couldn’t bear to live any other way.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Kylie


    But otherwise, like you, I live in the past.
     
    The great thing is - you don't even need to compromise and you don't miss out on anything. You can not only enjoy cultural marxism-free books, movies and TV you can also enjoy books, movies and TV that are better than today's stuff. It's win-win.

    Replies: @Kylie

  366. @Kylie
    @dfordoom

    I do the exact same thing.

    I don't bother with books, movies and music that feature or promote, however subtly, cultural Marxism. I don't have cable and don't watch TV, except for some older shows on Netflix. I'm here so I do keep up with current events. But otherwise, like you, I live in the past. It's infinitely more enjoyable and less stressful than the present culture, which I find both dull and disgusting. I'm truly content with my choice and couldn't bear to live any other way.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    But otherwise, like you, I live in the past.

    The great thing is – you don’t even need to compromise and you don’t miss out on anything. You can not only enjoy cultural marxism-free books, movies and TV you can also enjoy books, movies and TV that are better than today’s stuff. It’s win-win.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @dfordoom

    Definitely a win-win. And though my distaste for modern pop culture was what caused me to jettison as much of it from my life as I could, I didn't realize how degrading and degraded it was till after I changed. Now if I hear some dialogue from a movie or TV show at someone's house, I'm appalled at how vapid and how relentlessly anti-white so much of it is. There's no substance at all except for the leftist agenda. No wonder so many today are so discontent.

  367. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Chrisnonymous

    "he is attracted to women with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics"

    Secondary? Seriously?

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Secondary sexual characteristic is that which grows after the onset of puberty. E.g. sexual organs (penises and vaginas) are primary sexual characteristics, because children or little babies have them, too. Breasts and hourglass hips (or facial hair for guys) are secondary sexual characteristics, since pre-puberty nobody has them.

  368. @dfordoom
    @Kylie


    But otherwise, like you, I live in the past.
     
    The great thing is - you don't even need to compromise and you don't miss out on anything. You can not only enjoy cultural marxism-free books, movies and TV you can also enjoy books, movies and TV that are better than today's stuff. It's win-win.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Definitely a win-win. And though my distaste for modern pop culture was what caused me to jettison as much of it from my life as I could, I didn’t realize how degrading and degraded it was till after I changed. Now if I hear some dialogue from a movie or TV show at someone’s house, I’m appalled at how vapid and how relentlessly anti-white so much of it is. There’s no substance at all except for the leftist agenda. No wonder so many today are so discontent.

  369. @mobi
    @dfordoom


    The more money you have the more political rights you can buy. No need for the serfs to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give rich people more legal rights as well? The testimony of a rich person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little poor person.
     
    'The older you are, the more political rights you have. No need for young adults to have any political rights at all.

    Why not go further and give older people more legal rights as well? The testimony of an older person should surely be worth more than the testimony of some nasty little young person.'

    Of course a tax-weighted voting system would also dramatically reduce the political rights of some races so publicly proposing such a system would cause such a firestorm as to discredit the political Right for generations. It would be about as popular as suggesting the re-introduction of the Jim Crow laws. Frankly I can’t think of any proposal more guaranteed to destroy the Right utterly and permanently than tax-weighted voting.
     
    ok, I won't continue substituting 'age' for 'money' ad nauseum. Hopefully, you've taken my point.

    Why 25? Why not 30? Or better yet, 50? And since the population over 50 is much whiter than below, why not drop the pretense and just go straight to Jim Crow?

    Seriously, though, raising the voting age to 25 is a good idea. Weighting votes by contribution is, too. Better, in fact. But they both attempt the same thing - to skew the voting pool toward greater sanity (from the perspective and interests of you and I, mind you), and away from the gathering Bolshevik storm (not much exaggeration intended).

    It's a question more of tactics.

    The left have clearly gathered the power, and laid the infrastructure, to shout down, and shut down, any maneuvers by the right based on 'identity'. Gender, race, sexual orientation, and yes, age.

    Try proposing a rise in voting age to 25. You nasty Ageist,bigot, you! Young people are the future. They cannot help their age. What about the many thousands of under-25s who pay more in taxes than you (or I). Why no franchise for them? Arbitrary.

    And what happens when every single future voter in the country loses their voting rights to 'the Right', while being absolutely certain to gain them 7 years later than they expected?

    It will be good for 'the Right', will it?

    Tax-weighting is better for 2 reasons - one, it's more just. He who pays the bills ought to have more say in what the bills are. Age has no case here.

    Two - 'Taxists!' doesn't work. And it really can't. i hope you can see why.

    Not for nothing has 'hard-working taxpayer' become the empty platitude of choice in politics.

    Anyway, we're probably after the same thing, roughly. Perhaps we need both.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Anyway, we’re probably after the same thing, roughly. Perhaps we need both.

    We are after roughly the same thing. A less emotional more rational electorate that is more likely to take a long-term view.

    The really really big problem in today’s Bizarro World though is that the richer and better-educated a person is the crazier their political views seem to be. We’d actually get better government if we took voting rights away from anyone with a college degree! Or if we took voting rights away from billionaires.

    We have created the first society in history in which education is actually a minus – people come out of the end of the process dumber than when they started. That’s why any reform of the voting process won’t work – every measure that should in theory work is actually likely to produce worse results.

    Personally I favour a return to absolutist monarchy.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @dfordoom

    "Personally I favour a return to absolutist monarchy."

    Again you and I are on the same page. I haven't been keen on democracy for some time.

    Civilization is devolving rapidly. Democracy is in large part responsible for that. Most people simply don't know how to function constructively and decently when provided with too much freedom and funding.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  370. @AndrewR
    @onetwothree

    Why do people keep saying this? A cursory look at the SJWsphere would strongly suggest otherwise. There is no shortage of SJWs to call for your castration if you so much as display any sort of attraction for someone who has yet to reach their 18th birthday.

    I mean I don't doubt there are many on the left who love the young ones, but they are far from a hegemonic group.

    Replies: @Flinders Petrie, @anonymous coward, @L Woods

    There is no shortage of SJWs to call for your castration if you so much as display any sort of attraction for someone who has yet to reach their 18th birthday.

    Pederasty will be normalized, not pedophilia. There will be a big push to allow ‘gay kids’ to self-express sexually. (With an adult ‘mentor’, of course.)

    • Agree: dfordoom
  371. @SPMoore8
    @Brutusale

    What is "non-penetrative" bestiality? Does that mean you get to milk your cow? That your horse gets to lick your carrot? That you get to belly rub your pets? This is getting pretty silly.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Brutusale

    It seems that the penetration of the animal is what’s prohibited. Penetration of the human by the animal seems to be, uh, wide open:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/supreme-court-clarifies-canadas-bestiality-law-with-ruling/article30371581/

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Brutusale

    In other words, bestiality is allowed for women, but not for men.

  372. @SPMoore8
    @Brutusale

    I don't have a problem having pets being treated like children, believe me, for old people, they are the best substitute (especially since I seriously doubt I would live long enough to see any new baby graduate from high school at my age.)

    But you are right, young people who skipped the stage of doting on real live humans have a problem. Pets are a surrogate, and for little kids, they are a way to learn empathy, compassion, and our links to nature. That's my pitch, anyway. But I do think that people ought to try to raise, or be involved in raising, at least one human. That's what we're designed to do, after all.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I concur with what you’ve written, but we’ve moved WAY beyond simple love and care of pets. I’m the son of a farm boy, and I’ve, at various times, had dogs, cats, rabbits, tropical fish and hamsters. They do teach you a lot about caring for and about other living creatures, but they were pets, not people. We’ve lost sight of that.

    That said, I do smile when my girlfriend’s Bichon snuggles up to me and the girlfriend says, “She really loves her daddy!”

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  373. @Johnny Smoggins
    I'm going to go with granting something approaching human rights to higher order (at first) animals like gorillas, dolphins and dogs. This will segue nicely with bestiality.

    Another prediction; within five years tops women will demand (and be granted) the "right" to play in hitherto all male sports leagues like NFL, MLB, NHL, the Premier League and so on.

    You heard it here first.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    They have always had the “right” to play in professional leagues. If one were good enough, do you think any team owner would think twice about signing her?

    I always say that Annika Sorenstam carries an asterisk concerning her play in a men’s tournament; she got an exemption to play. At least Babe Zaharias QUALIFIED for a men’s tournament in 1945.

  374. @Brutusale
    @SPMoore8

    It seems that the penetration of the animal is what's prohibited. Penetration of the human by the animal seems to be, uh, wide open:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/supreme-court-clarifies-canadas-bestiality-law-with-ruling/article30371581/

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    In other words, bestiality is allowed for women, but not for men.

  375. @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    I do not find Giselle attractive and was surprised that Tom Brady married her. His former girlfriend Bridget Moynahan was much hotter.

    How do you embed images here? Does html work?

    Replies: @guest, @Anonym, @Brutusale

    The guys on this blog crack me up!

    “Manly” Giselle Bundchen says she wants to have 6-8 kids. She’s the most monetarily-successful woman in modeling history. She found an alpha guys who wants the same things she does. She got abuse in the press for forcefully defending her man after a Super Bowl loss. Most importantly, she’s done nothing but treat her man’s son with Moynahan like anything but her own son, something the other tramp acknowledges.

    “Womanly” Bridget Moynahan, on the other hand, has the one kid because she surreptitiously pulled the goalie on Brady. She finally married at age 45; it looks like she’s one and done in the kid department.

    Maybe Giselle is more manly then Bridget, ’cause she sure is smarter!

    But Bundchen appears in press photos breastfeeding her kid while having her nails done, while Moynahan is in TV shows than your grandparents watch, so please carry on with the two-minutes hate!

    This was a gift a got from my girlfriend. Quite the hag…

    • Replies: @guest
    @Brutusale

    "Quite the hag"

    People like you are why advertising is effective. That mousepad is all pose, costume, make-up, lighting, and other tricks to make her look feminine. Did you click on the link above to the article with the candid shots of her on the beach? And that's not even what she really looks like, because it doesn't fake surgery into account.

    Moynahan is only marginally more feminine. Both have fashion model bodies, and both are masculine compared to the general female population.

    How many kids they have is neither here nor there.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  376. @Brutusale
    @Jim Don Bob

    The guys on this blog crack me up!

    "Manly" Giselle Bundchen says she wants to have 6-8 kids. She's the most monetarily-successful woman in modeling history. She found an alpha guys who wants the same things she does. She got abuse in the press for forcefully defending her man after a Super Bowl loss. Most importantly, she's done nothing but treat her man's son with Moynahan like anything but her own son, something the other tramp acknowledges.

    "Womanly" Bridget Moynahan, on the other hand, has the one kid because she surreptitiously pulled the goalie on Brady. She finally married at age 45; it looks like she's one and done in the kid department.

    Maybe Giselle is more manly then Bridget, 'cause she sure is smarter!

    But Bundchen appears in press photos breastfeeding her kid while having her nails done, while Moynahan is in TV shows than your grandparents watch, so please carry on with the two-minutes hate!

    This was a gift a got from my girlfriend. Quite the hag...

    https://www.amazon.com/Gisele-Bundchen-pad-computer-mousepad/dp/B0135Y8KUO?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

    Replies: @guest

    “Quite the hag”

    People like you are why advertising is effective. That mousepad is all pose, costume, make-up, lighting, and other tricks to make her look feminine. Did you click on the link above to the article with the candid shots of her on the beach? And that’s not even what she really looks like, because it doesn’t fake surgery into account.

    Moynahan is only marginally more feminine. Both have fashion model bodies, and both are masculine compared to the general female population.

    How many kids they have is neither here nor there.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @guest

    The comment wasn't aimed at you, son. It was for the hardcore on this blog who grade a woman on how many kids she has. It was for the over-the-top denigration that Bundchen, as well as Brady, get daily for being too rich, too good-looking, too successful.

    They don't need no stinking surgery. As someone with 35 years in the graphics industry, I was dealing with Photoshop before most even heard of it. I know from advertising, and I have a tendency to disbelieve anything I don't experience with my own senses.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQZpVeWsfK4

    The other thing that I'd like to submit is that, having experienced women with differing body types, the slender, physically fit women are much more fun in the rack. I'm sure that Bundchen, being athletic AND Brazilian, is a panic in bed.

  377. @dfordoom
    @mobi


    Anyway, we’re probably after the same thing, roughly. Perhaps we need both.
     
    We are after roughly the same thing. A less emotional more rational electorate that is more likely to take a long-term view.

    The really really big problem in today's Bizarro World though is that the richer and better-educated a person is the crazier their political views seem to be. We'd actually get better government if we took voting rights away from anyone with a college degree! Or if we took voting rights away from billionaires.

    We have created the first society in history in which education is actually a minus - people come out of the end of the process dumber than when they started. That's why any reform of the voting process won't work - every measure that should in theory work is actually likely to produce worse results.

    Personally I favour a return to absolutist monarchy.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Personally I favour a return to absolutist monarchy.”

    Again you and I are on the same page. I haven’t been keen on democracy for some time.

    Civilization is devolving rapidly. Democracy is in large part responsible for that. Most people simply don’t know how to function constructively and decently when provided with too much freedom and funding.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Kylie


    Civilization is devolving rapidly. Democracy is in large part responsible for that.
     
    Representative democracy is, by its very nature, corrupt. It's the buying and selling of votes and the buying and selling of political favours.
  378. @AndrewR
    @onetwothree

    Why do people keep saying this? A cursory look at the SJWsphere would strongly suggest otherwise. There is no shortage of SJWs to call for your castration if you so much as display any sort of attraction for someone who has yet to reach their 18th birthday.

    I mean I don't doubt there are many on the left who love the young ones, but they are far from a hegemonic group.

    Replies: @Flinders Petrie, @anonymous coward, @L Woods

    That’s only if it involves an older male and a younger female. Doesn’t take much thought to figure out why.

  379. @Kylie
    @dfordoom

    "Personally I favour a return to absolutist monarchy."

    Again you and I are on the same page. I haven't been keen on democracy for some time.

    Civilization is devolving rapidly. Democracy is in large part responsible for that. Most people simply don't know how to function constructively and decently when provided with too much freedom and funding.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Civilization is devolving rapidly. Democracy is in large part responsible for that.

    Representative democracy is, by its very nature, corrupt. It’s the buying and selling of votes and the buying and selling of political favours.

    • Agree: Kylie
  380. @Former Darfur
    @SFG

    Most all the early microcomputer applications and utilities were written by one person, one good example being AppleWriter by Paul Lutus. In the Unix world, usually a person would take on one program, like Eric Allman's notorious sendmail, or any of a lot of things but most famously emacs by Richard Stallman.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Grep by Ken Thompson, vi by Bill Joy, sed by Lee E. McMahon, usw.

  381. Steve Sailer – you got get hold of an old manuscript of your Bible dude to learn that polygamy and same-gender marriage are not the same. Polygamy is allowed in the Bible. All its prophets were polygamists; in fact King Solomon had 300 wives and 400 concubines in his palace. American Mormon community is allowed to practice polygamy in the United State.

    The Bible, Holy Qur’an, and Hindu scriptures don’t bless the same-gender sex or marriage – but it’s allowed within Roman Pagan culture and now by the US Supreme Court and in many other so-called “Judeo-Christian” nations. In fact, the practitioners of this cult have become the “Chosen People” like Jews. America’s highest-paid ($768,000 per year) Israeli propagandist Abraham Foxman threw a huge party to celebrate his son’s marriage with gay a few years ago.

    In India, there are more Hindu polygamists (5.1%) than Muslims (3.9%). There are only a few Muslim-majority countries which still allow polygamy while others prefer to enjoy adultery like the Judeo-Christian nation.

    Interestingly, the first western political leader to campaign for polygamy was no other than Duma Deputy Speaker and leader of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia Vladimir Zhirinovsky. He actively crusaded for the legalization of polygamy in Russia, but failed. He honestly believed that with eleven million surplus women and the deepening demographic crisis in Russia, polygamy would go a long way to fight the demographic decline.

    The female population in most of western countries is higher than the male population. In Russia, there are 11 million surplus women (fertility rate at 1.3%), in the US (4 million, fertility rate at 1.3%)), Britain (1.1 million, fertility rate at less than 2%), Germany (1.6 million, fertility rate at 1.4%), France (1.7 million, fertility rate at 2%), Canada (320,000, fertility rate at 1.5%) and so on. On top of that add over 30 million non-child-bearing gay and lesbian population in Europe, the US and Canada.

    https://rehmat1.com/2011/04/24/polygamy-and-wests-demographic-decline/

  382. @guest
    @Brutusale

    "Quite the hag"

    People like you are why advertising is effective. That mousepad is all pose, costume, make-up, lighting, and other tricks to make her look feminine. Did you click on the link above to the article with the candid shots of her on the beach? And that's not even what she really looks like, because it doesn't fake surgery into account.

    Moynahan is only marginally more feminine. Both have fashion model bodies, and both are masculine compared to the general female population.

    How many kids they have is neither here nor there.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The comment wasn’t aimed at you, son. It was for the hardcore on this blog who grade a woman on how many kids she has. It was for the over-the-top denigration that Bundchen, as well as Brady, get daily for being too rich, too good-looking, too successful.

    They don’t need no stinking surgery. As someone with 35 years in the graphics industry, I was dealing with Photoshop before most even heard of it. I know from advertising, and I have a tendency to disbelieve anything I don’t experience with my own senses.

    The other thing that I’d like to submit is that, having experienced women with differing body types, the slender, physically fit women are much more fun in the rack. I’m sure that Bundchen, being athletic AND Brazilian, is a panic in bed.

  383. Lowering the voting age seems more in line with leftist aims than polygamy. Polygamy can lead to big families (among Christian fundies, the wrong sorts), and feminists don’t like it.

  384. Pederasty: leftists would loooooooooove to legitimize and legalize pederasty. But legitimizing pedophilia for homosexuals only is a pretty tall order.

  385. @Svigor
    Pederasty: leftists would loooooooooove to legitimize and legalize pederasty. But legitimizing pedophilia for homosexuals only is a pretty tall order.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

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