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Peaceful except for the sniper shooting all those cops. But who’s counting?

From the New York Times:

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Strike Different Tones After Dallas Shooting
By AMY CHOZICK JULY 8, 2016

An ambush on police officers at a protest in Dallas that left five officers dead on Thursday night altered the contours of a presidential campaign, with Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump canceling political events on Friday, and striking different tones about the events in Texas, which Mr. Trump called “an attack on our country” and Mrs. Clinton used as evidence of the need for “more love and kindness.”

“It is a coordinated, premeditated, assault on the men and women who keep us safe,” Mr. Trump said in a statement. “We must restore law and order.”

In what seemed a more restrained reaction from a presumptive Republican nominee known for his charged Twitter rants, Mr. Trump also made his first statement about two black men killed by white police officers earlier this week.

“The senseless tragic deaths of two motorists in Louisiana and Minnesota reminds us how much needs to be done,” he said. “Racial tensions have gotten worse, not better.”

The Louisiana victim, Alton Sterling, was not a motorist, and Mr. Trump later corrected his statement on Facebook to reflect that.

In an interview with CNN, Mrs. Clinton praised the slain Dallas officers and called the attack “an absolutely horrific event.” She promptly brought the conversation back to the shootings of Mr. Castile and Mr. Sterling, which were recorded in graphic videos that lit up social media and reignited outrage and debate over the treatment of black men by white police officers.

 
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  1. Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.

    I would have written “The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers, especially those in entirely different states. We can call for police reform while condemning the terrorist group known as Black Lives Matter and the terrorist politicians (whom I shall refrain from naming) who embrace them.”

    • Replies: @jon

    I would have written ...
     
    Which probably explains why you are an internet commenter and not a presidential nominee. That statement would have been a total disaster.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Losing respect for Trump every day.
     
    I hope his campaign can survive this blow.
    , @Marty T
    Yeah pretty much. Why would Trump mention them at all? The issue is violent animals, egged on by Obama and by his opponent, murdering cops. Sad to see him resort to even mentioning these possibly justified police killings in the same breath. Sickening, actually.
    , @Luke Lea
    "I would have written “The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers"

    Nicely put.
    , @arch
    cuck
    , @AnotherDad

    Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.
     
    My feelings\thoughts exactly.

    First off, it's appalling for Trump to be echoing the Democrats that police shootings are one of our big national problems--"reminds us how much needs to be done"--because it's nonsense. Then to be lumping these two cases together is just stupid. One is a career criminal pedophile, who was waving a gun and resisted arrest--maybe a good shoot. The other a black guy--maybe a scumbag, maybe even the armed robber--not resisting arrest, not arrested at all, just shot at a traffic stop, by--appears to me unless contrary information is forthcoming--some nervous nellie loser who should never have been a cop.

    Rather than piling on the Democrats "oh this is the crisis of our age" crap, Trump needs to be a man and represent his middle class voters. A statement on this should covers the following points:

    -- There are a several hundred police shootings a year.
    -- It isn't some big racist conspiracy, white guys are shot twice as often as black guys.
    -- Optionally: Yes black guys are a higher percentage of these deaths than there percentage of the population, but are involved in serious violent crime and so in contact with the cops an even larger percentage. Per violent crime committed white guys are more likely to be shot by the cops.
    -- Black cops are even more likely to shoot citizens than white cops.
    -- Most of these cases the suspect is a scumbag, resisting arrest and either armed or attacking the police.
    -- Michael Brown was guilty. A strong armed robber. A huge guy. Punched the police officer, wrestled him for his gun which fired. And was chasing officer Wilson, who was retreating when he was a shot. He did not have his hands up or yell "don't shoot", those are BLM, Democrat party lies--debunked by the black witnesses on scene.
    -- There are a few genuine screwups. It's a big nation of 300m+ people with a millions of traffic stops a year. Some honest mistakes as you have in any profession. And yes there are some police who are hotheads or nervous nellies and should not be cops. We compensate the families of those victims and mourn there loss. And we work to get better. Weeding out poor police officers. Better training for handling these chaotic situations.
    -- But a black man is about 100 times more likely to be shot be another black man, then to be shot by a cop. (The number is probably more like 50, Trump should let them "fact check" him on that ... so the "real number" is endlessly repeated.)
    -- Innocent black men--not scumbags, not resisting arrest are several hundreds times more likely to get shot by some black scumbag than a white cop.
    -- The one thing clearly not going on here is any sort of "war against black men" by the police. This is simply a BLM, Democrat party lie.
    -- President Obama and Hillary have chosen to hype this lie and be a shit stirrers, amping up the black persecution complex and black racial hatred of whites all in the service of their political agenda. Hillary lying to get energize her black based to defeat Bernie Sanders and gain the nomination and now to try and win the Presidency.
    -- The result of BLM's, Obama's, Hillary's shit stirring is a 15% bump in violent crime. Thousands more dead. Police more afraid for the their lives, more tentative and policing less aggressively. Now police officers massacred in Dallas by a BLM terrorist. Thousands more murdered across the land.
    -- And Hillary thinks that's worth it if she gets to be president.
    -- As president i'll represent all Americans and won't lie to try and stir up crime and violence for political ends.

    ~~~
    Honestly, Trump is again dropping the ball here. This is custom made for the middle class candidate. Obama and Hillary's shit stirring has considerably boosted the crime rate and killed a bunch of innocent people. Just denounce it.

  2. I guess the Minnesota police officer is going to get promoted to ‘white hispanic’ !

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Your guess was already realized.. he's got his promotion.
    , @Perspective
    It will be even more difficult this time for the media to do it, apparently he's a very keen participant in Cinco de Mayo celebrations. Though I suspect that fact will be buried. Juxtapose how the media refers to this incident as the "police officer (no race) who shot a black man" versus the one in Louisiana "white police officers shot a black man".
  3. A plea for law and order worked for Richard Nixon in 1968:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swyFqRB3dxY

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    The nude female torso at 41 seconds combined with the word "domestic violence" was a masterstroke by whoever created this commercial.
    , @ben tillman

    A plea for law and order worked for Richard Nixon in 1968:
     
    But it worked because the revolution was so recent, and there was a real reactionary in the picture.

    Once they shot Wallace, Nixon was quickly deposed.
  4. I can’t find anything about Trump calling MN or Baton Rogue “senseless”, or any correction on his FB.

  5. Of course she is. Black Lives Matter talking points are at heart anti-white male talking points. Hillary is talking to blacks, Hispanics and women with the same language. “We have a common enemy. Our problem is white men, and especially white men in positions of authority – take them all down”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The white male in authority that Hillary knows best is a certain former President of the United States, a man she has been very angry with in the past because he's cheated on her multiple times.

    I wonder how much of Hillary's anti-white male politics is based on her psychological attempt to displace her anger from her hubby onto all white males. Her psychological issues are a good reason to keep her out of elected office.

  6. …Mrs. Clinton used as evidence of the need for “more love and kindness.”

    And from Loretta Lynch:

    “Our most effective response to terror is compassion, it’s unity and it’s love.”

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/no-loretta-lynch-love-is-not-the-answer-to-muslim-massacres/

    It’s just spooky how great liberal minds think alike.

    It’s so crazy, it just might work!

    Really, one can only wonder why it hasn’t been tried before.

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Where is Lee Atwater?

    I suggest a pincer movement strategy

    First, Trump makes Hillary the Black Lives Matter candidate in the manner of Willie Horton and Dukakis.

    Second, like Nixon in 1968, he runs a positive campaign of ‘all lives matter.’

    In Springfield, Illinois, Nixon said: “America [now] needs to be united more than any time since Lincoln.”

    • Replies: @Danindc
    I like this. Seems simple but nobody is saying it. Trump, if you're out there......do this.
    , @Brutusale
    Trump has to be careful. He's made more inroads among blacks than his predecessors, so he needs to be circumspect on race issues. I agree, though, that he needs to paint Pants Suit as the BLM candidate.
  8. @AndrewR
    Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.

    I would have written "The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers, especially those in entirely different states. We can call for police reform while condemning the terrorist group known as Black Lives Matter and the terrorist politicians (whom I shall refrain from naming) who embrace them."

    I would have written …

    Which probably explains why you are an internet commenter and not a presidential nominee. That statement would have been a total disaster.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    You gotta look through his comment log. He's a pretty crap commenter at that.
    , @AndrewR
    Lol. Yes, clearly Trump and his staff are world class diplomats. Thanks for clearing that up, cuck.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Which probably explains why you are an internet commenter and not a presidential nominee. That statement would have been a total disaster."

    Actually, I kinda like it. I can see Lord God Emperor Trump delivering this statement with fire and panache, his fluffy comb-over undulating. You lack imagination, sir.
  9. In truth, Hillary really has no choice here. She’d be savaged by her supporters, and by most Bernie supporters, if she took any other position than one of complete obeisance to BLM, come hell or high water. Progressivism has staked its very existence on such values.

    The question is, how many white voters does she lose?

    It’s been said again and again that Trump is doing far better than Romney had with white working class voters, but not so well with white upper middle class and educated voters.

    My strong expectation is that a non-negligible number of white upper middle class and educated voters will now turn to Trump over Hillary. They really do enjoy the moral posturing of voting progressive, and differentiating themselves from the working class yokels. But they don’t like the sound of a race war. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs kicks in.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Agreed. They love moral posturing as long as it's free.
    , @Abe

    My strong expectation is that a non-negligible number of white upper middle class and educated voters will now turn to Trump over Hillary.
     
    Don't forget the "Asian" vote (East Asian + South Asian), which is what- no less than 6% of the population now, and probably at least as large as the white upper class vote? The mass murder of police officers and the immediate, street-level chaos that foreshadows tends to focus the mind away from HAROLD/KUMAR-style microaggression grievances and toward more tangible concerns such as life & limb and not getting your business/home torched. Keep it up, Hill'. And Indians, Chinese, etc. will be flocking to pull the lever for Trump while holding their noses with their other hands.
  10. I’ll repeat a point I made in a previous thread.

    In America, police kill 1,100 civilians per year. About 550 of those are non-Hispanic white.
    In the UK, police kill 2 civilians per year.

    So adjusting for population, American cops shoot White-Americans at about 90x the rate that British cops shoot Britons. That’s remarkably high.

    Is it because being a cop is so much more dangerous in America?

    No, not really. 1 in 7,700 American cops dies per year in the line of duty. For British cops, the figure is 1 in 15,400. Once you adjust for ethnicity (about half of American cop killings are from blacks), an American cop is about as likely to be killed by a White-American as a British cop is to be killed by a Briton.

    Therefore, White-Americans are roughly about as likely to kill a cop as Britons. Despite being no more dangerous, American cops kill White-Americans at almost 90x the rate of British cops.

    It’s also interesting that the non-Hispanic white incarceration rate (450 per 100,000) is much higher than the white incarceration rate in the UK (150 per 100,000), Canada (100 per 100,000), and Australia (150 per 100,000).

    It’s interesting too that America’s incarceration rate was historically 100 per 100,00. Then it began to skyrocket in the 1980s. It doesn’t seem plausible to me that today’s non-Hispanic whites are roughly 5x as crime-prone as pre-1980s Americans. Especially given the much lower white incarceration rates in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

    Despite our relatively high rate of incarceration and police killings, America isn’t especially safe.

    Here are the homicide rates for major cities:

    London UK: (1.1 per 100,000, 13% black, 60% white)
    Seattle USA: (3.9 per 100,000, 9% black, 65% non-Hispanic white)
    Portland USA: (4.2 per 100,000, 6% black, 75% non-Hispanic white)
    Toronto Canada: (2.0 per 100,000, 9% black, 50% white
    Montreal Canada: (1.7 per 100,000, 9% black, 67% white)
    Birmingham UK (1.1 per 100,000, 9% black, 58% white)

    I used homicide rates because the reporting rate is 100%. Reporting rates of other crimes are subject to biases, such as classification criteria and underreporting. So by comparing homicide rates across cities, we get an apples to apples comparison.

    Somebody claimed that American whites are more likely to do suicide-by-cop. However, based on the statistics I’ve found, that doesn’t eliminate the 90:1 disparity between the US and UK.

    In conclusion:

    -Non-Hispanic white Americans are killed by police at 90x the rate of Britons.
    -Non-Hispanic whites are no more likely to kill a cop than Britons; therefore US cops are no more “in danger” than UK cops.
    -Whites in the UK, Canada, and Australia are incarcerated at about 1/3th to 1/5th the U.S. non-Hispanic white rate
    -Americans (of all races) were historically incarcerated at a rate similar to the UK/Australia/Canada until the 1980s.
    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.
    -Despite a highly punitive system (high incarceration, relatively high rates of killings by police), American cities (including highly white cities) are more homicide-afflicted than diverse Canadian and British cities.
    -Suicide by cop does not explain the 90:1 disparity between US whites and UK.

    • Agree: Das
    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    WeMaybe because the cops actively refuse to patrol in many areas in the UK, but are really good at arresting pensioners for mean tweets.

    The UK cops stood around while Lee Rigby was hacked to death by Muslim fanatics. Pretty sure that wouldn't have happened in the US.

    I have a feeling youre engaging in prelude for a long winded libertarian rant on statism, tbh.

    , @haploid
    Leave off, man. The analogy is flawed no matter how many words you throw at it. You are jumping like a puppy.
    , @Das
    The UK isn't the best comparison point, because outside of Northern Ireland, most cops don't carry guns.

    But sure, there's a lot of irritating ballwashing of US cops. Lots of cops are incompetent and borderline retarded.

    The country puts up with it because we're thinking "Well, we can't expect much. These people have to put up with the ghetto thugs. I wouldn't want that job."
    , @Robert Hume
    Perhaps US cops have developed procedures needed to deal with blacks, and they don't stop using them when dealing with whites.

    And also, when they do use those procedures, the availability of guns more often leads to death.
    , @Jefferson
    Johnny with you being a huge fan of the Blacks, can you tell me why they don't protest on the streets when a White is killed by a police officer?
    , @IA

    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-recent-shooting-leaves-east-hill-on-edge/2016/06/30/36723a52-3e6d-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html?wpisrc=nl_lclheads&wpmm=1

    Lanier told residents that her officers do their duty.

    “We monitor 50 of what we consider repeat violent gun offenders in the city,” she said. Then she asked residents to guess how many times those same offenders were arrested last year.

    After a few tries, Lanier responded: “857.”

    “Why are they not in jail?” asked Denise Rucker Krepp, the advisory neighborhood commissioner for Hill East. She repeated her question.

    “My cops ask me that everyday,” Lanier said. “I have to get them to get back up and back on the street to do it all over again.”
  11. @jon

    I would have written ...
     
    Which probably explains why you are an internet commenter and not a presidential nominee. That statement would have been a total disaster.

    You gotta look through his comment log. He’s a pretty crap commenter at that.

  12. @JohnnyWalker123
    I’ll repeat a point I made in a previous thread.

    In America, police kill 1,100 civilians per year. About 550 of those are non-Hispanic white.
    In the UK, police kill 2 civilians per year.

    So adjusting for population, American cops shoot White-Americans at about 90x the rate that British cops shoot Britons. That’s remarkably high.

    Is it because being a cop is so much more dangerous in America?

    No, not really. 1 in 7,700 American cops dies per year in the line of duty. For British cops, the figure is 1 in 15,400. Once you adjust for ethnicity (about half of American cop killings are from blacks), an American cop is about as likely to be killed by a White-American as a British cop is to be killed by a Briton.

    Therefore, White-Americans are roughly about as likely to kill a cop as Britons. Despite being no more dangerous, American cops kill White-Americans at almost 90x the rate of British cops.

    It's also interesting that the non-Hispanic white incarceration rate (450 per 100,000) is much higher than the white incarceration rate in the UK (150 per 100,000), Canada (100 per 100,000), and Australia (150 per 100,000).

    It's interesting too that America's incarceration rate was historically 100 per 100,00. Then it began to skyrocket in the 1980s. It doesn't seem plausible to me that today's non-Hispanic whites are roughly 5x as crime-prone as pre-1980s Americans. Especially given the much lower white incarceration rates in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

    Despite our relatively high rate of incarceration and police killings, America isn't especially safe.

    Here are the homicide rates for major cities:

    London UK: (1.1 per 100,000, 13% black, 60% white)
    Seattle USA: (3.9 per 100,000, 9% black, 65% non-Hispanic white)
    Portland USA: (4.2 per 100,000, 6% black, 75% non-Hispanic white)
    Toronto Canada: (2.0 per 100,000, 9% black, 50% white
    Montreal Canada: (1.7 per 100,000, 9% black, 67% white)
    Birmingham UK (1.1 per 100,000, 9% black, 58% white)

    I used homicide rates because the reporting rate is 100%. Reporting rates of other crimes are subject to biases, such as classification criteria and underreporting. So by comparing homicide rates across cities, we get an apples to apples comparison.

    Somebody claimed that American whites are more likely to do suicide-by-cop. However, based on the statistics I've found, that doesn't eliminate the 90:1 disparity between the US and UK.

    In conclusion:

    -Non-Hispanic white Americans are killed by police at 90x the rate of Britons.
    -Non-Hispanic whites are no more likely to kill a cop than Britons; therefore US cops are no more "in danger" than UK cops.
    -Whites in the UK, Canada, and Australia are incarcerated at about 1/3th to 1/5th the U.S. non-Hispanic white rate
    -Americans (of all races) were historically incarcerated at a rate similar to the UK/Australia/Canada until the 1980s.
    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.
    -Despite a highly punitive system (high incarceration, relatively high rates of killings by police), American cities (including highly white cities) are more homicide-afflicted than diverse Canadian and British cities.
    -Suicide by cop does not explain the 90:1 disparity between US whites and UK.

    WeMaybe because the cops actively refuse to patrol in many areas in the UK, but are really good at arresting pensioners for mean tweets.

    The UK cops stood around while Lee Rigby was hacked to death by Muslim fanatics. Pretty sure that wouldn’t have happened in the US.

    I have a feeling youre engaging in prelude for a long winded libertarian rant on statism, tbh.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    If the UK cops just "stand around" and "refuse to patrol," then we'd expect UK cities to be more dangerous.

    London and Birmingham both have 1/4th the homicide rate of Seattle and Portland. If UK police are so ineffectual, explain that.
  13. Well at least she didn’t call the 5 cops “bumps in the road”

  14. I’m disappointed that the NYT is calling Jeronimo Yanez a “white” police officer.

    • Replies: @CJ

    I’m disappointed that the NYT is calling Jeronimo Yanez a “white” police officer.
     
    Why the disappointment? When it's a non-black shooting a black criminal, the NYT definition of white expands like the ump's strike zone after a baseball team gets ahead by ten runs. If George Zimmerman could be white, why not this guy? (BTW, is he a Filipino?) It warms my heart that people can be promoted on merit.
  15. @JohnnyWalker123
    I’ll repeat a point I made in a previous thread.

    In America, police kill 1,100 civilians per year. About 550 of those are non-Hispanic white.
    In the UK, police kill 2 civilians per year.

    So adjusting for population, American cops shoot White-Americans at about 90x the rate that British cops shoot Britons. That’s remarkably high.

    Is it because being a cop is so much more dangerous in America?

    No, not really. 1 in 7,700 American cops dies per year in the line of duty. For British cops, the figure is 1 in 15,400. Once you adjust for ethnicity (about half of American cop killings are from blacks), an American cop is about as likely to be killed by a White-American as a British cop is to be killed by a Briton.

    Therefore, White-Americans are roughly about as likely to kill a cop as Britons. Despite being no more dangerous, American cops kill White-Americans at almost 90x the rate of British cops.

    It's also interesting that the non-Hispanic white incarceration rate (450 per 100,000) is much higher than the white incarceration rate in the UK (150 per 100,000), Canada (100 per 100,000), and Australia (150 per 100,000).

    It's interesting too that America's incarceration rate was historically 100 per 100,00. Then it began to skyrocket in the 1980s. It doesn't seem plausible to me that today's non-Hispanic whites are roughly 5x as crime-prone as pre-1980s Americans. Especially given the much lower white incarceration rates in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

    Despite our relatively high rate of incarceration and police killings, America isn't especially safe.

    Here are the homicide rates for major cities:

    London UK: (1.1 per 100,000, 13% black, 60% white)
    Seattle USA: (3.9 per 100,000, 9% black, 65% non-Hispanic white)
    Portland USA: (4.2 per 100,000, 6% black, 75% non-Hispanic white)
    Toronto Canada: (2.0 per 100,000, 9% black, 50% white
    Montreal Canada: (1.7 per 100,000, 9% black, 67% white)
    Birmingham UK (1.1 per 100,000, 9% black, 58% white)

    I used homicide rates because the reporting rate is 100%. Reporting rates of other crimes are subject to biases, such as classification criteria and underreporting. So by comparing homicide rates across cities, we get an apples to apples comparison.

    Somebody claimed that American whites are more likely to do suicide-by-cop. However, based on the statistics I've found, that doesn't eliminate the 90:1 disparity between the US and UK.

    In conclusion:

    -Non-Hispanic white Americans are killed by police at 90x the rate of Britons.
    -Non-Hispanic whites are no more likely to kill a cop than Britons; therefore US cops are no more "in danger" than UK cops.
    -Whites in the UK, Canada, and Australia are incarcerated at about 1/3th to 1/5th the U.S. non-Hispanic white rate
    -Americans (of all races) were historically incarcerated at a rate similar to the UK/Australia/Canada until the 1980s.
    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.
    -Despite a highly punitive system (high incarceration, relatively high rates of killings by police), American cities (including highly white cities) are more homicide-afflicted than diverse Canadian and British cities.
    -Suicide by cop does not explain the 90:1 disparity between US whites and UK.

    Leave off, man. The analogy is flawed no matter how many words you throw at it. You are jumping like a puppy.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    You have only 16 comments here and a very "interesting" commenting history.

    You wouldn't happen to know our friend "Donut?"
  16. Das says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    I’ll repeat a point I made in a previous thread.

    In America, police kill 1,100 civilians per year. About 550 of those are non-Hispanic white.
    In the UK, police kill 2 civilians per year.

    So adjusting for population, American cops shoot White-Americans at about 90x the rate that British cops shoot Britons. That’s remarkably high.

    Is it because being a cop is so much more dangerous in America?

    No, not really. 1 in 7,700 American cops dies per year in the line of duty. For British cops, the figure is 1 in 15,400. Once you adjust for ethnicity (about half of American cop killings are from blacks), an American cop is about as likely to be killed by a White-American as a British cop is to be killed by a Briton.

    Therefore, White-Americans are roughly about as likely to kill a cop as Britons. Despite being no more dangerous, American cops kill White-Americans at almost 90x the rate of British cops.

    It's also interesting that the non-Hispanic white incarceration rate (450 per 100,000) is much higher than the white incarceration rate in the UK (150 per 100,000), Canada (100 per 100,000), and Australia (150 per 100,000).

    It's interesting too that America's incarceration rate was historically 100 per 100,00. Then it began to skyrocket in the 1980s. It doesn't seem plausible to me that today's non-Hispanic whites are roughly 5x as crime-prone as pre-1980s Americans. Especially given the much lower white incarceration rates in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

    Despite our relatively high rate of incarceration and police killings, America isn't especially safe.

    Here are the homicide rates for major cities:

    London UK: (1.1 per 100,000, 13% black, 60% white)
    Seattle USA: (3.9 per 100,000, 9% black, 65% non-Hispanic white)
    Portland USA: (4.2 per 100,000, 6% black, 75% non-Hispanic white)
    Toronto Canada: (2.0 per 100,000, 9% black, 50% white
    Montreal Canada: (1.7 per 100,000, 9% black, 67% white)
    Birmingham UK (1.1 per 100,000, 9% black, 58% white)

    I used homicide rates because the reporting rate is 100%. Reporting rates of other crimes are subject to biases, such as classification criteria and underreporting. So by comparing homicide rates across cities, we get an apples to apples comparison.

    Somebody claimed that American whites are more likely to do suicide-by-cop. However, based on the statistics I've found, that doesn't eliminate the 90:1 disparity between the US and UK.

    In conclusion:

    -Non-Hispanic white Americans are killed by police at 90x the rate of Britons.
    -Non-Hispanic whites are no more likely to kill a cop than Britons; therefore US cops are no more "in danger" than UK cops.
    -Whites in the UK, Canada, and Australia are incarcerated at about 1/3th to 1/5th the U.S. non-Hispanic white rate
    -Americans (of all races) were historically incarcerated at a rate similar to the UK/Australia/Canada until the 1980s.
    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.
    -Despite a highly punitive system (high incarceration, relatively high rates of killings by police), American cities (including highly white cities) are more homicide-afflicted than diverse Canadian and British cities.
    -Suicide by cop does not explain the 90:1 disparity between US whites and UK.

    The UK isn’t the best comparison point, because outside of Northern Ireland, most cops don’t carry guns.

    But sure, there’s a lot of irritating ballwashing of US cops. Lots of cops are incompetent and borderline retarded.

    The country puts up with it because we’re thinking “Well, we can’t expect much. These people have to put up with the ghetto thugs. I wouldn’t want that job.”

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    It's not just ghetto thugs that they're killing. US non-Hispanic whites are getting killed at 90x the rate of Britons.

    I'm pretty sure our whites are no more likely to be ghetto thugs than UK whites. Actually, probably less likely, as we don't have the inner city "chav culture."
  17. @Jack Hanson
    WeMaybe because the cops actively refuse to patrol in many areas in the UK, but are really good at arresting pensioners for mean tweets.

    The UK cops stood around while Lee Rigby was hacked to death by Muslim fanatics. Pretty sure that wouldn't have happened in the US.

    I have a feeling youre engaging in prelude for a long winded libertarian rant on statism, tbh.

    If the UK cops just “stand around” and “refuse to patrol,” then we’d expect UK cities to be more dangerous.

    London and Birmingham both have 1/4th the homicide rate of Seattle and Portland. If UK police are so ineffectual, explain that.

    • Replies: @Dick Whitman
    Fewer blacks.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Rotherham had no rapes by Muslims because official statistics never reported them.

    Are you really this basic?
    , @SteveRogers42
    The most aggressive, k/selected alpha types emigrated to America or were
    "transported" to Australia. Then, a large percentage of the alphas that remained were killed in Flanders' Fields. It's much easier to control r's than k's. "Subjects" of the crown are predisposed toward cooperation and order, anyway.
  18. @haploid
    Leave off, man. The analogy is flawed no matter how many words you throw at it. You are jumping like a puppy.

    You have only 16 comments here and a very “interesting” commenting history.

    You wouldn’t happen to know our friend “Donut?”

    • Replies: @idle hands
    All commenters' matter lives.
    , @haploid
    All that said, your analogy is strained at best. Posting it in yet another thread is pointless.
  19. @unit472
    I guess the Minnesota police officer is going to get promoted to 'white hispanic' !

    Your guess was already realized.. he’s got his promotion.

  20. @JohnnyWalker123
    I’ll repeat a point I made in a previous thread.

    In America, police kill 1,100 civilians per year. About 550 of those are non-Hispanic white.
    In the UK, police kill 2 civilians per year.

    So adjusting for population, American cops shoot White-Americans at about 90x the rate that British cops shoot Britons. That’s remarkably high.

    Is it because being a cop is so much more dangerous in America?

    No, not really. 1 in 7,700 American cops dies per year in the line of duty. For British cops, the figure is 1 in 15,400. Once you adjust for ethnicity (about half of American cop killings are from blacks), an American cop is about as likely to be killed by a White-American as a British cop is to be killed by a Briton.

    Therefore, White-Americans are roughly about as likely to kill a cop as Britons. Despite being no more dangerous, American cops kill White-Americans at almost 90x the rate of British cops.

    It's also interesting that the non-Hispanic white incarceration rate (450 per 100,000) is much higher than the white incarceration rate in the UK (150 per 100,000), Canada (100 per 100,000), and Australia (150 per 100,000).

    It's interesting too that America's incarceration rate was historically 100 per 100,00. Then it began to skyrocket in the 1980s. It doesn't seem plausible to me that today's non-Hispanic whites are roughly 5x as crime-prone as pre-1980s Americans. Especially given the much lower white incarceration rates in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

    Despite our relatively high rate of incarceration and police killings, America isn't especially safe.

    Here are the homicide rates for major cities:

    London UK: (1.1 per 100,000, 13% black, 60% white)
    Seattle USA: (3.9 per 100,000, 9% black, 65% non-Hispanic white)
    Portland USA: (4.2 per 100,000, 6% black, 75% non-Hispanic white)
    Toronto Canada: (2.0 per 100,000, 9% black, 50% white
    Montreal Canada: (1.7 per 100,000, 9% black, 67% white)
    Birmingham UK (1.1 per 100,000, 9% black, 58% white)

    I used homicide rates because the reporting rate is 100%. Reporting rates of other crimes are subject to biases, such as classification criteria and underreporting. So by comparing homicide rates across cities, we get an apples to apples comparison.

    Somebody claimed that American whites are more likely to do suicide-by-cop. However, based on the statistics I've found, that doesn't eliminate the 90:1 disparity between the US and UK.

    In conclusion:

    -Non-Hispanic white Americans are killed by police at 90x the rate of Britons.
    -Non-Hispanic whites are no more likely to kill a cop than Britons; therefore US cops are no more "in danger" than UK cops.
    -Whites in the UK, Canada, and Australia are incarcerated at about 1/3th to 1/5th the U.S. non-Hispanic white rate
    -Americans (of all races) were historically incarcerated at a rate similar to the UK/Australia/Canada until the 1980s.
    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.
    -Despite a highly punitive system (high incarceration, relatively high rates of killings by police), American cities (including highly white cities) are more homicide-afflicted than diverse Canadian and British cities.
    -Suicide by cop does not explain the 90:1 disparity between US whites and UK.

    Perhaps US cops have developed procedures needed to deal with blacks, and they don’t stop using them when dealing with whites.

    And also, when they do use those procedures, the availability of guns more often leads to death.

  21. @JohnnyWalker123
    I’ll repeat a point I made in a previous thread.

    In America, police kill 1,100 civilians per year. About 550 of those are non-Hispanic white.
    In the UK, police kill 2 civilians per year.

    So adjusting for population, American cops shoot White-Americans at about 90x the rate that British cops shoot Britons. That’s remarkably high.

    Is it because being a cop is so much more dangerous in America?

    No, not really. 1 in 7,700 American cops dies per year in the line of duty. For British cops, the figure is 1 in 15,400. Once you adjust for ethnicity (about half of American cop killings are from blacks), an American cop is about as likely to be killed by a White-American as a British cop is to be killed by a Briton.

    Therefore, White-Americans are roughly about as likely to kill a cop as Britons. Despite being no more dangerous, American cops kill White-Americans at almost 90x the rate of British cops.

    It's also interesting that the non-Hispanic white incarceration rate (450 per 100,000) is much higher than the white incarceration rate in the UK (150 per 100,000), Canada (100 per 100,000), and Australia (150 per 100,000).

    It's interesting too that America's incarceration rate was historically 100 per 100,00. Then it began to skyrocket in the 1980s. It doesn't seem plausible to me that today's non-Hispanic whites are roughly 5x as crime-prone as pre-1980s Americans. Especially given the much lower white incarceration rates in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

    Despite our relatively high rate of incarceration and police killings, America isn't especially safe.

    Here are the homicide rates for major cities:

    London UK: (1.1 per 100,000, 13% black, 60% white)
    Seattle USA: (3.9 per 100,000, 9% black, 65% non-Hispanic white)
    Portland USA: (4.2 per 100,000, 6% black, 75% non-Hispanic white)
    Toronto Canada: (2.0 per 100,000, 9% black, 50% white
    Montreal Canada: (1.7 per 100,000, 9% black, 67% white)
    Birmingham UK (1.1 per 100,000, 9% black, 58% white)

    I used homicide rates because the reporting rate is 100%. Reporting rates of other crimes are subject to biases, such as classification criteria and underreporting. So by comparing homicide rates across cities, we get an apples to apples comparison.

    Somebody claimed that American whites are more likely to do suicide-by-cop. However, based on the statistics I've found, that doesn't eliminate the 90:1 disparity between the US and UK.

    In conclusion:

    -Non-Hispanic white Americans are killed by police at 90x the rate of Britons.
    -Non-Hispanic whites are no more likely to kill a cop than Britons; therefore US cops are no more "in danger" than UK cops.
    -Whites in the UK, Canada, and Australia are incarcerated at about 1/3th to 1/5th the U.S. non-Hispanic white rate
    -Americans (of all races) were historically incarcerated at a rate similar to the UK/Australia/Canada until the 1980s.
    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.
    -Despite a highly punitive system (high incarceration, relatively high rates of killings by police), American cities (including highly white cities) are more homicide-afflicted than diverse Canadian and British cities.
    -Suicide by cop does not explain the 90:1 disparity between US whites and UK.

    Johnny with you being a huge fan of the Blacks, can you tell me why they don’t protest on the streets when a White is killed by a police officer?

  22. >Mrs. Clinton praised the slain Dallas officers and called the attack “an absolutely horrific event.”

    Event. Not attack or even an act. Just something that…happens. No responsible party. Act of God, really.

    • Replies: @YT Wurlitzer
    Stuff happens. For no reason.

    Isn't it odd how the Mighty Wurlitzer can spin citizens protesting that their own government isn't representing their interests into hate, while calling for love and compassion as the federal government response to Dallas?

    Loretta should be fired. Not only is she not doing her job, she doesn't appear to even know what it is. Not to be inappropriate, but I wonder what kind of gated community she lives in. Not a lot of drive by shootings when you travel by private jet. Another overlord hypocrite telling us to live in the wreckage.
    , @grapesoda
    I'm now rethinking going into "event planning" as a career
  23. @Das
    The UK isn't the best comparison point, because outside of Northern Ireland, most cops don't carry guns.

    But sure, there's a lot of irritating ballwashing of US cops. Lots of cops are incompetent and borderline retarded.

    The country puts up with it because we're thinking "Well, we can't expect much. These people have to put up with the ghetto thugs. I wouldn't want that job."

    It’s not just ghetto thugs that they’re killing. US non-Hispanic whites are getting killed at 90x the rate of Britons.

    I’m pretty sure our whites are no more likely to be ghetto thugs than UK whites. Actually, probably less likely, as we don’t have the inner city “chav culture.”

    • Replies: @JerryC
    Cops in England basically never get shot at by citizens. Here, it happens all the time. I live in St Louis and we regularly have shots fired at officers...granted most of the local ghetto thugs are pretty bad shots, so usually no one gets killed, but it is still rather disconcerting to be fired upon.

    If there is some kind of Euro Special Policing Sauce that can eliminate police shootings without causing all kinds of other problems, some training program that makes British cops super-awesome, by all means let's adopt it here. But I doubt there is. They are simply policing in a less dangerous, less hostile location.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    ...we don’t have the inner city “chav culture.”
     
    Actually, we do. Its called being "a whigger." Its not as popular as it was in the 90s, thankfully. I think a lot of Millennials associated Whiggerdom with a sort of didn't-go-to-college identity, and that frightens them even more than being perceived as racist.
  24. @candid_observer
    In truth, Hillary really has no choice here. She'd be savaged by her supporters, and by most Bernie supporters, if she took any other position than one of complete obeisance to BLM, come hell or high water. Progressivism has staked its very existence on such values.

    The question is, how many white voters does she lose?

    It's been said again and again that Trump is doing far better than Romney had with white working class voters, but not so well with white upper middle class and educated voters.

    My strong expectation is that a non-negligible number of white upper middle class and educated voters will now turn to Trump over Hillary. They really do enjoy the moral posturing of voting progressive, and differentiating themselves from the working class yokels. But they don't like the sound of a race war. Maslow's hierarchy of needs kicks in.

    Agreed. They love moral posturing as long as it’s free.

  25. I think the murders in TN and in Dallas overall help Hillary quite a bit. After all, after 9/11 Bush visited a mosque. Then he proclaimed Islam as a Religion of Peace, and again ordered no profiling. He might as well have been Obama proclaiming that the future must not belong to those who insult Islam after the Orlando shootings.

    This is simple to understand when you comprehend how feminized the West has become through consumer mass marketing. Women make or influence 85% of consumer purchasing decisions, Steve can correct me on this one but it was drilled into me at MBA marketing classes. Thus really only women matter save for a few niche products that women don’t buy — male grooming products etc. In that way the mass culture of the West rapidly got feminized as consumer culture took off on the steroidal effect of post-War prosperity.

    The feminine response to violence is surrender and appeasement. The male response is arming and counter-attack.

    All this means is that the media, and over half the voting population (women vote more than men) will think “gee they are very angry, we better appease them by disarming those icky beta males who I don’t like anyway.” Advantage Hillary. Expect a probable Hillary victory, and even more intense anti-White male action and rhetoric.

    I certainly have seen no campaign of violence in the West that was sustained fail to meet significant objectives, save perhaps the OAS and Baader-Meinhof gang and even the latter got IIRC some prisoners released and some reforms done. That’s the price of all the good things a feminine society provides.

    TL:DR version, women find being on their knees a sexy position, men not so much.

  26. Policing isn’t a very dangerous job in America.

    Read this.

    [quote]
    In 2013, out of approximately 900,000 sworn officers, just 100 died from a job-related injury. That’s about 11.1 per 100,000, or a rate of 0.01%.

    Policing doesn’t even make it into the top 10 most dangerous American professions. Logging has a fatality rate 11 times higher, at 127.8 per 100,000. Fishing: 117 per 100,000. Pilot/flight engineer: 53.4 per 100,000. It’s twice as dangerous to be a truck driver as a cop—at 22.1 per 100,000.

    Another point to bear in mind is that not all officer fatalities are homicides. Out of the 100 deaths in 2013, 31 were shot, 11 were struck by a vehicle, 2 were stabbed, and 1 died in a “bomb-related incident.” Other causes of death were: aircraft accident (1), automobile accident (28), motorcycle accident (4), falling (6), drowning (2), electrocution (1), and job-related illness (13).
    [/quote]

    In America, workers experienced a workplace fatality rate of 3.3 per 100,000 (full-time workers).

    If we assume roughly half of cop deaths are at hands of blacks (about half of all homicides in America are by blacks), then police fatality rate (at the hands of non-black killers) is 6.7 per 100,000. In comparison, US workers (of all professions) had a fatality rate of 3.3 per 100,000.

    So if you were a cop handling exclusively non-black individuals, your chance of death would be about 2x that of some average American worker. Not especially dangerous at all.

  27. @JohnnyWalker123
    You have only 16 comments here and a very "interesting" commenting history.

    You wouldn't happen to know our friend "Donut?"

    All commenters’ matter lives.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, Donut.
  28. @jon

    I would have written ...
     
    Which probably explains why you are an internet commenter and not a presidential nominee. That statement would have been a total disaster.

    Lol. Yes, clearly Trump and his staff are world class diplomats. Thanks for clearing that up, cuck.

  29. @JohnnyWalker123
    If the UK cops just "stand around" and "refuse to patrol," then we'd expect UK cities to be more dangerous.

    London and Birmingham both have 1/4th the homicide rate of Seattle and Portland. If UK police are so ineffectual, explain that.

    Fewer blacks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    And fewer guns in Britain.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Wrong.

    London is 13% black.
    Birmingham is 9% black.
    Toronto is 9% black.
    Montreal is 9% black.
    Seattle is 9% black.
    Portland is 6% black.

    These cities all have somewhat comparable percentages of whites.
  30. @JohnnyWalker123
    It's not just ghetto thugs that they're killing. US non-Hispanic whites are getting killed at 90x the rate of Britons.

    I'm pretty sure our whites are no more likely to be ghetto thugs than UK whites. Actually, probably less likely, as we don't have the inner city "chav culture."

    Cops in England basically never get shot at by citizens. Here, it happens all the time. I live in St Louis and we regularly have shots fired at officers…granted most of the local ghetto thugs are pretty bad shots, so usually no one gets killed, but it is still rather disconcerting to be fired upon.

    If there is some kind of Euro Special Policing Sauce that can eliminate police shootings without causing all kinds of other problems, some training program that makes British cops super-awesome, by all means let’s adopt it here. But I doubt there is. They are simply policing in a less dangerous, less hostile location.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Yeah, but that doesn't explain the 550 whites killed per year in the U.S.
    , @LondonBob
    We don't have guns, stabbings are highly common amongst our urban population instead. Many coppers wear stab proof vests. I would like to go back to the days of unarmed police but the demographics are what they are, for now, and so uniformed armed police in sensitive areas are just a fact of life.
  31. @AndrewR
    Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.

    I would have written "The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers, especially those in entirely different states. We can call for police reform while condemning the terrorist group known as Black Lives Matter and the terrorist politicians (whom I shall refrain from naming) who embrace them."

    Losing respect for Trump every day.

    I hope his campaign can survive this blow.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Sorry if I hurt your tender feelings.
  32. @kihowi
    >Mrs. Clinton praised the slain Dallas officers and called the attack “an absolutely horrific event.”

    Event. Not attack or even an act. Just something that...happens. No responsible party. Act of God, really.

    Stuff happens. For no reason.

    Isn’t it odd how the Mighty Wurlitzer can spin citizens protesting that their own government isn’t representing their interests into hate, while calling for love and compassion as the federal government response to Dallas?

    Loretta should be fired. Not only is she not doing her job, she doesn’t appear to even know what it is. Not to be inappropriate, but I wonder what kind of gated community she lives in. Not a lot of drive by shootings when you travel by private jet. Another overlord hypocrite telling us to live in the wreckage.

  33. @JohnnyWalker123
    If the UK cops just "stand around" and "refuse to patrol," then we'd expect UK cities to be more dangerous.

    London and Birmingham both have 1/4th the homicide rate of Seattle and Portland. If UK police are so ineffectual, explain that.

    Rotherham had no rapes by Muslims because official statistics never reported them.

    Are you really this basic?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    So we have no unreported rapes in America?
  34. @Dick Whitman
    Fewer blacks.

    And fewer guns in Britain.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Fewer guns in Britain is the result of low crime, not the cause.

    England has been safer than America for centuries. Even when our gun laws-- particularly those aimed at blacks-- were much tougher than theirs.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Being a cop in America is not an especially dangerous job.

    As I mentioned above, a US cop has about 2x the chance of being killed (by a white) as an average worker has of being killed on the job.

    So if you're saying all the guns put cop lives in much more danger, that's not really supported by the statistics.
  35. @idle hands
    All commenters' matter lives.

    Yes, Donut.

  36. @Dick Whitman
    Fewer blacks.

    Wrong.

    London is 13% black.
    Birmingham is 9% black.
    Toronto is 9% black.
    Montreal is 9% black.
    Seattle is 9% black.
    Portland is 6% black.

    These cities all have somewhat comparable percentages of whites.

  37. If it were not for the black population the murder stats in England and Wales would be much, much lower.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But the Brits have few guns. Fewer guns means fewer homicides, all else being equal.

    Fewer guns also means more burglaries and assaults, as well. An unarmed society is an impolite society.

  38. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Someone at work today actually said that the protest last night was a “peaceful protest” until shooting broke out.

    I so desperately wanted to point out that lots of things were peaceful until the violence broke out. Like the St Valentine’s Day Massacre and World War I.

    I didn’t, because I’m a wuss. But it still always floors me to see how well the media narrative actually works on people.

  39. @Steve Sailer
    And fewer guns in Britain.

    Fewer guns in Britain is the result of low crime, not the cause.

    England has been safer than America for centuries. Even when our gun laws– particularly those aimed at blacks– were much tougher than theirs.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Actually, as recently as the 70s, non-Hispanic US whites had an incarceration rate similar to that of the UK.

    There was a sharp divergence in the 1980.
  40. @Steve Sailer
    And fewer guns in Britain.

    Being a cop in America is not an especially dangerous job.

    As I mentioned above, a US cop has about 2x the chance of being killed (by a white) as an average worker has of being killed on the job.

    So if you’re saying all the guns put cop lives in much more danger, that’s not really supported by the statistics.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Cops used to get shot a lot more, but they figured out procedures to eliminate situations where it might be rational to kill cops. For example, Joseph Wambaugh's book The Onion Field is about two LAPD cops who pulled over two career criminals, got kidnapped, and one was murdered far away. I imagine a lot of cops read Wambaugh's book and thought pretty hard about how to train young cops not to let that kind of thing happen to you.
  41. @Anonymous
    If it were not for the black population the murder stats in England and Wales would be much, much lower.

    But the Brits have few guns. Fewer guns means fewer homicides, all else being equal.

    Fewer guns also means more burglaries and assaults, as well. An unarmed society is an impolite society.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    You may be wrong here.

    Comparing statistics on non-homicide crimes is problematic. Just because there are differences in self-reporting of these crimes and also different criteria for classifying crimes. Most criminologist believe that homicides are the "gold standard" in comparing crime differentials, mostly because self-reporting and classification is close to 100%.

    However, I decided to compare auto thefts. Just because:

    a.) Cars are really expensive, so self-reporting must be high
    b.) Insurance companies are usually contacted
    c.) It doesn't seem like the type of crime that's ambiguous in nature, no misclassification should be less of an issue.

    In the U.S., 0.27% of cars are stolen per year. In the UK, the figure is 0.193%. If you compare just US whites to Britons (of all races), then it's 0.24% vs 0.193%.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Here are the homicide rates for the cities if you DON'T include gun-related killings.

    Seattle: 1.3 per 100,000
    Portland: 1.4 per 100,000
    London: 1.0 per 100,000
    Birmingham: 1.0 per 100,000
    Toronto: 1.5 per 100,000
    Montreal: 1.3 per 100,000

    So Seattle and Portland are still more dangerous than London and Birmingham, despite having fewer blacks and being whiter cities. Toronto and Montreal are comparable though.

    Of course, given our much higher incarceration rate and more aggressive cops, you'd expect our cities to be safer.

    You also have to remember that some gun-related homicides would've become knife-related homicides if guns were not available. So the America-UK gap would probably become even wider if we could somehow include those individuals in these statistics.
    , @cthulhu
    "The right to own weapons is the right to be free." - A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher
  42. @Reg Cæsar
    Fewer guns in Britain is the result of low crime, not the cause.

    England has been safer than America for centuries. Even when our gun laws-- particularly those aimed at blacks-- were much tougher than theirs.

    Actually, as recently as the 70s, non-Hispanic US whites had an incarceration rate similar to that of the UK.

    There was a sharp divergence in the 1980.

  43. @Jack Hanson
    Rotherham had no rapes by Muslims because official statistics never reported them.

    Are you really this basic?

    So we have no unreported rapes in America?

    • Replies: @Abe

    So we have no unreported rapes in America?
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-111162/Now-mugging-worse-London-Harlem.html

    Street crime, with the exception of more deadly shootings, is now in general worse in London than NYC. Steve has quoted several times the anecdote about the primary function of English police being to do an insurance claims Q&A after the crime is committed, rather than preventing it.
    , @Jack Hanson
    When you respond with mendacious sophistry after the gaping holes in your logic are pointed out, you're admitting you have a losing hand.
    , @Brutusale
    We seem to have more reported rapes that didn't happen.
  44. @kihowi
    >Mrs. Clinton praised the slain Dallas officers and called the attack “an absolutely horrific event.”

    Event. Not attack or even an act. Just something that...happens. No responsible party. Act of God, really.

    I’m now rethinking going into “event planning” as a career

  45. @JerryC
    Cops in England basically never get shot at by citizens. Here, it happens all the time. I live in St Louis and we regularly have shots fired at officers...granted most of the local ghetto thugs are pretty bad shots, so usually no one gets killed, but it is still rather disconcerting to be fired upon.

    If there is some kind of Euro Special Policing Sauce that can eliminate police shootings without causing all kinds of other problems, some training program that makes British cops super-awesome, by all means let's adopt it here. But I doubt there is. They are simply policing in a less dangerous, less hostile location.

    Yeah, but that doesn’t explain the 550 whites killed per year in the U.S.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Britons put up with twice the property crime rates as the US.

    British police are just less aggressive than their American counterparts. As the ditty goes: in Heaven, all the police are British; in Hell, all the police are German (or in this case, American).
  46. Abe says: • Website
    @candid_observer
    In truth, Hillary really has no choice here. She'd be savaged by her supporters, and by most Bernie supporters, if she took any other position than one of complete obeisance to BLM, come hell or high water. Progressivism has staked its very existence on such values.

    The question is, how many white voters does she lose?

    It's been said again and again that Trump is doing far better than Romney had with white working class voters, but not so well with white upper middle class and educated voters.

    My strong expectation is that a non-negligible number of white upper middle class and educated voters will now turn to Trump over Hillary. They really do enjoy the moral posturing of voting progressive, and differentiating themselves from the working class yokels. But they don't like the sound of a race war. Maslow's hierarchy of needs kicks in.

    My strong expectation is that a non-negligible number of white upper middle class and educated voters will now turn to Trump over Hillary.

    Don’t forget the “Asian” vote (East Asian + South Asian), which is what- no less than 6% of the population now, and probably at least as large as the white upper class vote? The mass murder of police officers and the immediate, street-level chaos that foreshadows tends to focus the mind away from HAROLD/KUMAR-style microaggression grievances and toward more tangible concerns such as life & limb and not getting your business/home torched. Keep it up, Hill’. And Indians, Chinese, etc. will be flocking to pull the lever for Trump while holding their noses with their other hands.

  47. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that we are being ruled by people who claim to be surprised by the fact that, when you reward a group of people for rioting, and refuse to disavow them for burning down buildings, they will eventually escalate to full-on terror attacks.

  48. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Losing respect for Trump every day.
     
    I hope his campaign can survive this blow.

    Sorry if I hurt your tender feelings.

  49. Abe says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    So we have no unreported rapes in America?

    So we have no unreported rapes in America?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-111162/Now-mugging-worse-London-Harlem.html

    Street crime, with the exception of more deadly shootings, is now in general worse in London than NYC. Steve has quoted several times the anecdote about the primary function of English police being to do an insurance claims Q&A after the crime is committed, rather than preventing it.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    London has a robbery rate of 192 per 100,000.

    http://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=ed1e35ff2a734cb6adb4dccefbc08a92

    Seattle's rate is 236 per 100,000.

    Portland's rate is 138 per 100,000.
  50. @Anon7
    A plea for law and order worked for Richard Nixon in 1968:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swyFqRB3dxY

    The nude female torso at 41 seconds combined with the word “domestic violence” was a masterstroke by whoever created this commercial.

  51. @Steve Sailer
    But the Brits have few guns. Fewer guns means fewer homicides, all else being equal.

    Fewer guns also means more burglaries and assaults, as well. An unarmed society is an impolite society.

    You may be wrong here.

    Comparing statistics on non-homicide crimes is problematic. Just because there are differences in self-reporting of these crimes and also different criteria for classifying crimes. Most criminologist believe that homicides are the “gold standard” in comparing crime differentials, mostly because self-reporting and classification is close to 100%.

    However, I decided to compare auto thefts. Just because:

    a.) Cars are really expensive, so self-reporting must be high
    b.) Insurance companies are usually contacted
    c.) It doesn’t seem like the type of crime that’s ambiguous in nature, no misclassification should be less of an issue.

    In the U.S., 0.27% of cars are stolen per year. In the UK, the figure is 0.193%. If you compare just US whites to Britons (of all races), then it’s 0.24% vs 0.193%.

    • Replies: @Curle
    I'm sure the insider trader and jewel thief crime rates for whites is higher than for blacks. Activities that require intelligence will not skew black. Cars are harder to steal these days. It takes more thought and planning.
  52. @JohnnyWalker123
    It's not just ghetto thugs that they're killing. US non-Hispanic whites are getting killed at 90x the rate of Britons.

    I'm pretty sure our whites are no more likely to be ghetto thugs than UK whites. Actually, probably less likely, as we don't have the inner city "chav culture."

    …we don’t have the inner city “chav culture.”

    Actually, we do. Its called being “a whigger.” Its not as popular as it was in the 90s, thankfully. I think a lot of Millennials associated Whiggerdom with a sort of didn’t-go-to-college identity, and that frightens them even more than being perceived as racist.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Chavs are much, much worse than wiggers. Wiggers are dopes, but lots of chavs are lowlifes and troublemakers.
  53. @JohnnyWalker123
    You have only 16 comments here and a very "interesting" commenting history.

    You wouldn't happen to know our friend "Donut?"

    All that said, your analogy is strained at best. Posting it in yet another thread is pointless.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, Donut.
  54. iSteveFan says:

    White Americans need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about….

    No, African Americans need to do a better job of leaving others alone.

    The problem is that in a multi-cultural society groups need to keep their hands off members of other groups so as to keep peace and harmony among the groups. No group understands this better than African Americans. They will sit by and watch 500 black-on-black murders in Chicago and do nothing. But when an outsider like George Zimmerman, or any white/Asian/hispanic police officer guns down one of their own, they go bonkers. They do this instinctively as groups do not countenance outsiders taking shots at their own.

    Yet they don’t seem to understand that other groups don’t appreciate their members being preyed upon by African Americans. Whether we like it or not our elites have given us this most diverse, multiculti nation. And the only way we are all going to get along is to keep our hands off members of other groups. African Americans would do themselves, and everyone else, a great favor if they followed this rule.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    "No, African Americans need to do a better job of leaving others alone.

    The problem is that in a multi-cultural society groups need to keep their hands off members of other groups"

    When discussing the St. Trayvon of Skittles/Gentle Giant affairs with libs (and women, who really hate thinking about this things) I point out that both of them would still be alive if they had ...kept their hands to themselves. I know it seems like a big ask, but that's all they had to do. Did Zimmy the White Hispanic disobey some police dispatcher, did he or did he not follow St. Trayvon, did he or did he not go here or go there...its all secondary to St. Skittles just had to KEEP HIS HANDS TO HIMSELF and he'd be alive.

    All the run-up, all the who did what and who dissed who when...its all interesting. Whether the defensive killings were justified (I believe they were) or not, the fact remains that all those two clowns had to do was...not violently attack somebody.

    Usually I get some version of..."well...that's true but...". But nothing....If you're worried about black baby bodies, you should teach them to not violently attack people. Its really not very difficult.
    , @Jefferson
    African Americans want their cakes and eat it too.

    In a multicultural/multiracial nation African Americans want to put their hands on us Whites, but if we do the same back to them they want to riot, loot, and burn everything down.

    , @White Guy In Japan
    Maybe Blacks could do a better job of talking. Or not talking at the movies and yelling on the bus. Or not burning down their own neighborhoods.

    (I live in Japan. Haven't seen a Black in months.)

  55. @JohnnyWalker123
    So we have no unreported rapes in America?

    When you respond with mendacious sophistry after the gaping holes in your logic are pointed out, you’re admitting you have a losing hand.

  56. @Steve Sailer
    But the Brits have few guns. Fewer guns means fewer homicides, all else being equal.

    Fewer guns also means more burglaries and assaults, as well. An unarmed society is an impolite society.

    Here are the homicide rates for the cities if you DON’T include gun-related killings.

    Seattle: 1.3 per 100,000
    Portland: 1.4 per 100,000
    London: 1.0 per 100,000
    Birmingham: 1.0 per 100,000
    Toronto: 1.5 per 100,000
    Montreal: 1.3 per 100,000

    So Seattle and Portland are still more dangerous than London and Birmingham, despite having fewer blacks and being whiter cities. Toronto and Montreal are comparable though.

    Of course, given our much higher incarceration rate and more aggressive cops, you’d expect our cities to be safer.

    You also have to remember that some gun-related homicides would’ve become knife-related homicides if guns were not available. So the America-UK gap would probably become even wider if we could somehow include those individuals in these statistics.

  57. @haploid
    All that said, your analogy is strained at best. Posting it in yet another thread is pointless.

    Yes, Donut.

  58. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    ...we don’t have the inner city “chav culture.”
     
    Actually, we do. Its called being "a whigger." Its not as popular as it was in the 90s, thankfully. I think a lot of Millennials associated Whiggerdom with a sort of didn't-go-to-college identity, and that frightens them even more than being perceived as racist.

    Chavs are much, much worse than wiggers. Wiggers are dopes, but lots of chavs are lowlifes and troublemakers.

  59. @jon

    I would have written ...
     
    Which probably explains why you are an internet commenter and not a presidential nominee. That statement would have been a total disaster.

    “Which probably explains why you are an internet commenter and not a presidential nominee. That statement would have been a total disaster.”

    Actually, I kinda like it. I can see Lord God Emperor Trump delivering this statement with fire and panache, his fluffy comb-over undulating. You lack imagination, sir.

  60. CJ says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    I'm disappointed that the NYT is calling Jeronimo Yanez a "white" police officer.

    I’m disappointed that the NYT is calling Jeronimo Yanez a “white” police officer.

    Why the disappointment? When it’s a non-black shooting a black criminal, the NYT definition of white expands like the ump’s strike zone after a baseball team gets ahead by ten runs. If George Zimmerman could be white, why not this guy? (BTW, is he a Filipino?) It warms my heart that people can be promoted on merit.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Is there a link to NYT calling shooter cop white?
    , @CJ
    Not that I know of. I got it from Massimo's comment, and had no trouble believing it.
    , @ben tillman

    Why the disappointment? When it’s a non-black shooting a black criminal, the NYT definition of white expands like the ump’s strike zone after a baseball team gets ahead by ten runs.
     
    Ha ha. Or after they get the call from the commissioner to make sure the Blue Jays beat the Phillies. What a travesty that was!
  61. @CJ

    I’m disappointed that the NYT is calling Jeronimo Yanez a “white” police officer.
     
    Why the disappointment? When it's a non-black shooting a black criminal, the NYT definition of white expands like the ump's strike zone after a baseball team gets ahead by ten runs. If George Zimmerman could be white, why not this guy? (BTW, is he a Filipino?) It warms my heart that people can be promoted on merit.

    Is there a link to NYT calling shooter cop white?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    The NYT piece you quote in this post says "...Mr. Trump also made his first statement about two black men killed by white police officers earlier this week."
  62. @Abe

    So we have no unreported rapes in America?
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-111162/Now-mugging-worse-London-Harlem.html

    Street crime, with the exception of more deadly shootings, is now in general worse in London than NYC. Steve has quoted several times the anecdote about the primary function of English police being to do an insurance claims Q&A after the crime is committed, rather than preventing it.

    London has a robbery rate of 192 per 100,000.

    http://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=ed1e35ff2a734cb6adb4dccefbc08a92

    Seattle’s rate is 236 per 100,000.

    Portland’s rate is 138 per 100,000.

    • Replies: @Curle
    There is a large black population bordering Seattle to the South. I believe you will find that this population skews Seattles numbers higher than might be imagined by the Seattle's demo. It is well known that the low lifes from the South commit a number of robberies especially at a retail zone in the City on the southern border in West Seattle. A black guy tried to shake me down at a mall there within the last 12 mos.
  63. @AndrewR
    Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.

    I would have written "The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers, especially those in entirely different states. We can call for police reform while condemning the terrorist group known as Black Lives Matter and the terrorist politicians (whom I shall refrain from naming) who embrace them."

    Yeah pretty much. Why would Trump mention them at all? The issue is violent animals, egged on by Obama and by his opponent, murdering cops. Sad to see him resort to even mentioning these possibly justified police killings in the same breath. Sickening, actually.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Well Sterling's and Castile's deaths can't be ignored. Even if you want to do so, BLM and their enablers will not allow that. Better to get out ahead of everything and take the wind out of BLM's sails by pointing out the absurdity of these massive protests (and murders) committed before the bodies are even in the ground and due process has really even begun.
  64. “Portland is 6% black.”

    And closely approaching zero percent by the day, literally. Hundreds of young White hippies/hipsters invade Portland every day of the week, driving up rents and shoving blacks into bordering Gresham, Beaverton, and Tigard (even Salem, one hour away). God, how I love Portlandia!

  65. @CJ

    I’m disappointed that the NYT is calling Jeronimo Yanez a “white” police officer.
     
    Why the disappointment? When it's a non-black shooting a black criminal, the NYT definition of white expands like the ump's strike zone after a baseball team gets ahead by ten runs. If George Zimmerman could be white, why not this guy? (BTW, is he a Filipino?) It warms my heart that people can be promoted on merit.

    Not that I know of. I got it from Massimo’s comment, and had no trouble believing it.

  66. IA says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    I’ll repeat a point I made in a previous thread.

    In America, police kill 1,100 civilians per year. About 550 of those are non-Hispanic white.
    In the UK, police kill 2 civilians per year.

    So adjusting for population, American cops shoot White-Americans at about 90x the rate that British cops shoot Britons. That’s remarkably high.

    Is it because being a cop is so much more dangerous in America?

    No, not really. 1 in 7,700 American cops dies per year in the line of duty. For British cops, the figure is 1 in 15,400. Once you adjust for ethnicity (about half of American cop killings are from blacks), an American cop is about as likely to be killed by a White-American as a British cop is to be killed by a Briton.

    Therefore, White-Americans are roughly about as likely to kill a cop as Britons. Despite being no more dangerous, American cops kill White-Americans at almost 90x the rate of British cops.

    It's also interesting that the non-Hispanic white incarceration rate (450 per 100,000) is much higher than the white incarceration rate in the UK (150 per 100,000), Canada (100 per 100,000), and Australia (150 per 100,000).

    It's interesting too that America's incarceration rate was historically 100 per 100,00. Then it began to skyrocket in the 1980s. It doesn't seem plausible to me that today's non-Hispanic whites are roughly 5x as crime-prone as pre-1980s Americans. Especially given the much lower white incarceration rates in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

    Despite our relatively high rate of incarceration and police killings, America isn't especially safe.

    Here are the homicide rates for major cities:

    London UK: (1.1 per 100,000, 13% black, 60% white)
    Seattle USA: (3.9 per 100,000, 9% black, 65% non-Hispanic white)
    Portland USA: (4.2 per 100,000, 6% black, 75% non-Hispanic white)
    Toronto Canada: (2.0 per 100,000, 9% black, 50% white
    Montreal Canada: (1.7 per 100,000, 9% black, 67% white)
    Birmingham UK (1.1 per 100,000, 9% black, 58% white)

    I used homicide rates because the reporting rate is 100%. Reporting rates of other crimes are subject to biases, such as classification criteria and underreporting. So by comparing homicide rates across cities, we get an apples to apples comparison.

    Somebody claimed that American whites are more likely to do suicide-by-cop. However, based on the statistics I've found, that doesn't eliminate the 90:1 disparity between the US and UK.

    In conclusion:

    -Non-Hispanic white Americans are killed by police at 90x the rate of Britons.
    -Non-Hispanic whites are no more likely to kill a cop than Britons; therefore US cops are no more "in danger" than UK cops.
    -Whites in the UK, Canada, and Australia are incarcerated at about 1/3th to 1/5th the U.S. non-Hispanic white rate
    -Americans (of all races) were historically incarcerated at a rate similar to the UK/Australia/Canada until the 1980s.
    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.
    -Despite a highly punitive system (high incarceration, relatively high rates of killings by police), American cities (including highly white cities) are more homicide-afflicted than diverse Canadian and British cities.
    -Suicide by cop does not explain the 90:1 disparity between US whites and UK.

    -Non-Hispanic whites today are incarcerated at about 5x the rate they were pre-1980s.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-recent-shooting-leaves-east-hill-on-edge/2016/06/30/36723a52-3e6d-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html?wpisrc=nl_lclheads&wpmm=1

    Lanier told residents that her officers do their duty.

    “We monitor 50 of what we consider repeat violent gun offenders in the city,” she said. Then she asked residents to guess how many times those same offenders were arrested last year.

    After a few tries, Lanier responded: “857.”

    “Why are they not in jail?” asked Denise Rucker Krepp, the advisory neighborhood commissioner for Hill East. She repeated her question.

    “My cops ask me that everyday,” Lanier said. “I have to get them to get back up and back on the street to do it all over again.”

  67. @AndrewR
    Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.

    I would have written "The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers, especially those in entirely different states. We can call for police reform while condemning the terrorist group known as Black Lives Matter and the terrorist politicians (whom I shall refrain from naming) who embrace them."

    “I would have written “The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers”

    Nicely put.

  68. @iSteveFan

    White Americans need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about....
     
    No, African Americans need to do a better job of leaving others alone.

    The problem is that in a multi-cultural society groups need to keep their hands off members of other groups so as to keep peace and harmony among the groups. No group understands this better than African Americans. They will sit by and watch 500 black-on-black murders in Chicago and do nothing. But when an outsider like George Zimmerman, or any white/Asian/hispanic police officer guns down one of their own, they go bonkers. They do this instinctively as groups do not countenance outsiders taking shots at their own.

    Yet they don't seem to understand that other groups don't appreciate their members being preyed upon by African Americans. Whether we like it or not our elites have given us this most diverse, multiculti nation. And the only way we are all going to get along is to keep our hands off members of other groups. African Americans would do themselves, and everyone else, a great favor if they followed this rule.

    “No, African Americans need to do a better job of leaving others alone.

    The problem is that in a multi-cultural society groups need to keep their hands off members of other groups”

    When discussing the St. Trayvon of Skittles/Gentle Giant affairs with libs (and women, who really hate thinking about this things) I point out that both of them would still be alive if they had …kept their hands to themselves. I know it seems like a big ask, but that’s all they had to do. Did Zimmy the White Hispanic disobey some police dispatcher, did he or did he not follow St. Trayvon, did he or did he not go here or go there…its all secondary to St. Skittles just had to KEEP HIS HANDS TO HIMSELF and he’d be alive.

    All the run-up, all the who did what and who dissed who when…its all interesting. Whether the defensive killings were justified (I believe they were) or not, the fact remains that all those two clowns had to do was…not violently attack somebody.

    Usually I get some version of…”well…that’s true but…”. But nothing….If you’re worried about black baby bodies, you should teach them to not violently attack people. Its really not very difficult.

  69. @Steve Sailer
    Is there a link to NYT calling shooter cop white?

    The NYT piece you quote in this post says “…Mr. Trump also made his first statement about two black men killed by white police officers earlier this week.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  70. @unit472
    I guess the Minnesota police officer is going to get promoted to 'white hispanic' !

    It will be even more difficult this time for the media to do it, apparently he’s a very keen participant in Cinco de Mayo celebrations. Though I suspect that fact will be buried. Juxtapose how the media refers to this incident as the “police officer (no race) who shot a black man” versus the one in Louisiana “white police officers shot a black man”.

  71. I was watching CNN and the reporter said that they were refusing to use the killer’s name of picture so not to glorify the crime. Me thinks is was not to show his black face. Meanwhile back to Dylan Roof…

  72. @JohnnyWalker123
    Yeah, but that doesn't explain the 550 whites killed per year in the U.S.

    Britons put up with twice the property crime rates as the US.

    British police are just less aggressive than their American counterparts. As the ditty goes: in Heaven, all the police are British; in Hell, all the police are German (or in this case, American).

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    That's not correct.

    The U.S. (even after adjusting for race) has a higher rate of auto theft than the UK. About 0.27% of cars are stolen per year in the U.S., as opposed to 0.193% of cars in the UK.

    As for burglary, here are the rates for major cities:

    London - 590 per 100,000
    Seattle - 1060 per 100,000
    Portland 670 per 100,000
  73. @JohnnyWalker123
    You may be wrong here.

    Comparing statistics on non-homicide crimes is problematic. Just because there are differences in self-reporting of these crimes and also different criteria for classifying crimes. Most criminologist believe that homicides are the "gold standard" in comparing crime differentials, mostly because self-reporting and classification is close to 100%.

    However, I decided to compare auto thefts. Just because:

    a.) Cars are really expensive, so self-reporting must be high
    b.) Insurance companies are usually contacted
    c.) It doesn't seem like the type of crime that's ambiguous in nature, no misclassification should be less of an issue.

    In the U.S., 0.27% of cars are stolen per year. In the UK, the figure is 0.193%. If you compare just US whites to Britons (of all races), then it's 0.24% vs 0.193%.

    I’m sure the insider trader and jewel thief crime rates for whites is higher than for blacks. Activities that require intelligence will not skew black. Cars are harder to steal these days. It takes more thought and planning.

  74. Just be obident like asian. Problem solved.

  75. Regardless, White-Americans are more likely to steal a car than British. (Black-Americans are also more likely to steal a car than White-Americans).

    So the higher auto theft rate in America (even after adjusting for race) should dispel the idea that we have a lower property crime rate in America. It’s just not true.

    • Replies: @Curle
    Your math doesn't work. The 3% drop in the US rate reflects an overall drop of 8% of the total which is less than the % of the black population in the US. And that assumes parity in car theft rates between blacks and whites.
    , @Prof. Woland
    They are also more likely to steal a car with someone in it.
    , @bomag
    The "White" figure likely includes Hispanics.

    More "pure" comparisons that I've seen show a surprising similarity in intra-ethnic crime rates between Europe and the US.
  76. @JohnnyWalker123
    London has a robbery rate of 192 per 100,000.

    http://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=ed1e35ff2a734cb6adb4dccefbc08a92

    Seattle's rate is 236 per 100,000.

    Portland's rate is 138 per 100,000.

    There is a large black population bordering Seattle to the South. I believe you will find that this population skews Seattles numbers higher than might be imagined by the Seattle’s demo. It is well known that the low lifes from the South commit a number of robberies especially at a retail zone in the City on the southern border in West Seattle. A black guy tried to shake me down at a mall there within the last 12 mos.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    London is 13% black, while Seattle is 9% black. King County (inclusive of Seattle) is 7% black.

    There are a lot more blacks in London than Seattle or Greater Seattle (King County).
  77. @iSteveFan

    White Americans need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about....
     
    No, African Americans need to do a better job of leaving others alone.

    The problem is that in a multi-cultural society groups need to keep their hands off members of other groups so as to keep peace and harmony among the groups. No group understands this better than African Americans. They will sit by and watch 500 black-on-black murders in Chicago and do nothing. But when an outsider like George Zimmerman, or any white/Asian/hispanic police officer guns down one of their own, they go bonkers. They do this instinctively as groups do not countenance outsiders taking shots at their own.

    Yet they don't seem to understand that other groups don't appreciate their members being preyed upon by African Americans. Whether we like it or not our elites have given us this most diverse, multiculti nation. And the only way we are all going to get along is to keep our hands off members of other groups. African Americans would do themselves, and everyone else, a great favor if they followed this rule.

    African Americans want their cakes and eat it too.

    In a multicultural/multiracial nation African Americans want to put their hands on us Whites, but if we do the same back to them they want to riot, loot, and burn everything down.

  78. You may be interested in an Australian mainstream conservative opinion on all this. Dallas is a warning: the anti-white race hatred is lethal

    The race-baiting from the Left must stop – here, too – before more people get killed by black racists:

    But Obama in his speech actually gives a clue to a bigger reality that should transform this race debate.

    First, African Americans are actually much more likely than whites to commit crimes.

    Second, blacks are more likely to kill whites than whites blacks.

    Third, police actually kill more whites.

    What we see is a black culture that tends to produce too much violence, and, at times, even to celebrate it. And we see whites in more danger from black violence than blacks from white violence – a fact that is often too dangerous to mention.

    It amazes me that alt-right bigshots can’t speak this directly.

  79. Hillary’s answer is for white people to listen to blacks complain! I want to listen to blacks complain as much as I want to listen to Hillary.

  80. @JohnnyWalker123
    Regardless, White-Americans are more likely to steal a car than British. (Black-Americans are also more likely to steal a car than White-Americans).

    So the higher auto theft rate in America (even after adjusting for race) should dispel the idea that we have a lower property crime rate in America. It's just not true.

    Your math doesn’t work. The 3% drop in the US rate reflects an overall drop of 8% of the total which is less than the % of the black population in the US. And that assumes parity in car theft rates between blacks and whites.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Sure it does.

    White-Americans have close to 0.9x the rate of arrest as the national population overall. So in a theoretically all-white America, the auto theft rate would drop from 0.27% to 0.24%.

    Remember, I'm not talking total numbers. I'm discussing proportions. I'm also modeling what would happen if the U.S. had an all-white country.
  81. @bomag
    Britons put up with twice the property crime rates as the US.

    British police are just less aggressive than their American counterparts. As the ditty goes: in Heaven, all the police are British; in Hell, all the police are German (or in this case, American).

    That’s not correct.

    The U.S. (even after adjusting for race) has a higher rate of auto theft than the UK. About 0.27% of cars are stolen per year in the U.S., as opposed to 0.193% of cars in the UK.

    As for burglary, here are the rates for major cities:

    London – 590 per 100,000
    Seattle – 1060 per 100,000
    Portland 670 per 100,000

    • Replies: @bomag
    Not what I've been told or read.

    In a 2006 Gallup survey, 5% of British households reported an auto theft; 2% of US households reported same.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/21346/crime-rate-lower-united-states-canada-than-britain.aspx

    Stats are collected differently in each country, but Britain doesn't come across as some great crime free area.

  82. @Curle
    There is a large black population bordering Seattle to the South. I believe you will find that this population skews Seattles numbers higher than might be imagined by the Seattle's demo. It is well known that the low lifes from the South commit a number of robberies especially at a retail zone in the City on the southern border in West Seattle. A black guy tried to shake me down at a mall there within the last 12 mos.

    London is 13% black, while Seattle is 9% black. King County (inclusive of Seattle) is 7% black.

    There are a lot more blacks in London than Seattle or Greater Seattle (King County).

    • Replies: @Curle
    Except that King County at 2 million is much larger than Seattle at 660000. When you consider that King County's black population is 21% of Seattle's population and that a large percent of these blacks live on the southern border of the city and are a common transient presence in the city it alters the dynamics of a model that presumes the city's residents reflect the cities criminal population. They don't.
  83. @Curle
    Your math doesn't work. The 3% drop in the US rate reflects an overall drop of 8% of the total which is less than the % of the black population in the US. And that assumes parity in car theft rates between blacks and whites.

    Sure it does.

    White-Americans have close to 0.9x the rate of arrest as the national population overall. So in a theoretically all-white America, the auto theft rate would drop from 0.27% to 0.24%.

    Remember, I’m not talking total numbers. I’m discussing proportions. I’m also modeling what would happen if the U.S. had an all-white country.

  84. Steve you woman approve my comments.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Donut,is that you?
  85. Here’s another comparison. Auto thefts per 100,000 residents.

    Portland: 550
    Seattle: 830
    London: 280

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    That is not really a good comparison.

    What is the difference in the rate of ownership of cars between the two countries and cities.

    I am sure that Hong Kong will show a lower rate of car theft per 100,000 as well.
    , @iSteveFan
    Johnny, what effect do you think the intense surveillance network of cameras in London has on their crime rate? It seems like every street, every corner, etc., is under surveillance. Surely this must make it harder to commit and get away with auto theft and other crime.
  86. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's another comparison. Auto thefts per 100,000 residents.

    Portland: 550
    Seattle: 830
    London: 280

    That is not really a good comparison.

    What is the difference in the rate of ownership of cars between the two countries and cities.

    I am sure that Hong Kong will show a lower rate of car theft per 100,000 as well.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    If we adjust for automobile ownership rate, the figures would look like this -

    Seattle: 580
    Portland: 385
    London: 280

    Still a lot worse in America.
    , @Brutusale
    809 cars per thousand for the US, 519 per thousand for the UK.
  87. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's another comparison. Auto thefts per 100,000 residents.

    Portland: 550
    Seattle: 830
    London: 280

    Johnny, what effect do you think the intense surveillance network of cameras in London has on their crime rate? It seems like every street, every corner, etc., is under surveillance. Surely this must make it harder to commit and get away with auto theft and other crime.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    CCTV has little effect on less serious crime - if you think the police will go trawling through video footage to find your stolen car, you'll be disappointed. It does mean the police have control over any outbreak of violence or social upheaval - provided they're willing to do something about it. The rioters in 2011 got a very nasty shock to find the authorities went out of their way to track down as many of them as possible through CCTV and have them convicted. This wouldn't have happened if they had committed their crimes in the normal way rather than as part of the riots. Obviously, the orders came from above that this particular manifestation of diversity was not to be tolerated. It's a case of total surveillance but discretionary action on the part of law enforcement.
  88. the events in Texas, which Mr. Trump called “an attack on our country” and Mrs. Clinton used as evidence of the need for “more love and kindness.”

    When blacks involved in dubious situations get killed by cops, Hilary exudes anger and cries “injustice”, but when five cops get murdered by blacks inspired by BLM, she says we need more love and kindness. What a whore…a Social Justice Whore.

  89. @JohnnyWalker123
    Regardless, White-Americans are more likely to steal a car than British. (Black-Americans are also more likely to steal a car than White-Americans).

    So the higher auto theft rate in America (even after adjusting for race) should dispel the idea that we have a lower property crime rate in America. It's just not true.

    They are also more likely to steal a car with someone in it.

  90. Which commenters are blocked by the most readers?

    • Replies: @Trumpenproleteriat
    My guess is Rehamat tops the list. He is constantly promoting his incoherent blog posts where he shills for Islam. I don't think he frequents this part of UR though.
  91. @iSteveFan
    Johnny, what effect do you think the intense surveillance network of cameras in London has on their crime rate? It seems like every street, every corner, etc., is under surveillance. Surely this must make it harder to commit and get away with auto theft and other crime.

    CCTV has little effect on less serious crime – if you think the police will go trawling through video footage to find your stolen car, you’ll be disappointed. It does mean the police have control over any outbreak of violence or social upheaval – provided they’re willing to do something about it. The rioters in 2011 got a very nasty shock to find the authorities went out of their way to track down as many of them as possible through CCTV and have them convicted. This wouldn’t have happened if they had committed their crimes in the normal way rather than as part of the riots. Obviously, the orders came from above that this particular manifestation of diversity was not to be tolerated. It’s a case of total surveillance but discretionary action on the part of law enforcement.

  92. @The most deplorable one
    That is not really a good comparison.

    What is the difference in the rate of ownership of cars between the two countries and cities.

    I am sure that Hong Kong will show a lower rate of car theft per 100,000 as well.

    If we adjust for automobile ownership rate, the figures would look like this –

    Seattle: 580
    Portland: 385
    London: 280

    Still a lot worse in America.

  93. @Rob McX
    The NYT piece you quote in this post says "...Mr. Trump also made his first statement about two black men killed by white police officers earlier this week."

    Thanks.

  94. @Jack Hanson
    Steve you woman approve my comments.

    Donut,is that you?

  95. @JohnnyWalker123
    That's not correct.

    The U.S. (even after adjusting for race) has a higher rate of auto theft than the UK. About 0.27% of cars are stolen per year in the U.S., as opposed to 0.193% of cars in the UK.

    As for burglary, here are the rates for major cities:

    London - 590 per 100,000
    Seattle - 1060 per 100,000
    Portland 670 per 100,000

    Not what I’ve been told or read.

    In a 2006 Gallup survey, 5% of British households reported an auto theft; 2% of US households reported same.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/21346/crime-rate-lower-united-states-canada-than-britain.aspx

    Stats are collected differently in each country, but Britain doesn’t come across as some great crime free area.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Interesting survey. It was done in 2006, but still worth looking at.

    According to this recent survey, about 4% of Britons reported being a victim of a crime in the past year. See page 14 of this document.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

    According to Gallup, 19% of Americans report being the victim of a crime in the past year.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/179174/one-four-households-victimized-crime.aspx

    Not sure why the discrepancy between your survey and this survey.

    I agree that the UK is not a crime-free paradise.

    My point is this:

    -The UK has a very low incarceration rate (150 per 100,000), while non-Hispanic White-Americans have 3x the incarceration rate (450 per 100,000.
    -The UK has a very low rate of police killings (2 per year), compared to America (550 non-Hispanic Whites killed per year).
    -Despite their lax system, the UK (even after adjusting for the smaller black population) may not have a higher crime rate.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    That survey was from 2006, but still worth reading.

    Interestingly, in both nations, roughly o.5% of vehicles were reported stolen to authorities in 2006. For some reason, 2% of Americans and 5% of British reported a stolen vehicle in that survey. There's a discrepancy here. Perhaps survey respondents were including thefts by friends or family members (ie joyriding)? So these thefts were reflected in the survey, but not reported to authorities. That may explain the discrepancy.

    Vandalizing of property and physical assault were more reported in the UK too. I wonder if bar/soccer brawls count as physical assaults. Anecdotally, UK whites are supposed to be more likely to fight in bars or over football games. If they are, maybe that's reflected in the survey?

    One difference between my survey and your survey is this. Your survey asked about whether respondents experienced certain types of incidents. My survey asked respondents if they were victimized. Perhaps UK and US whites define victimization differently.

    It's worth exploring this in more detail.
  96. @JohnnyWalker123
    Being a cop in America is not an especially dangerous job.

    As I mentioned above, a US cop has about 2x the chance of being killed (by a white) as an average worker has of being killed on the job.

    So if you're saying all the guns put cop lives in much more danger, that's not really supported by the statistics.

    Cops used to get shot a lot more, but they figured out procedures to eliminate situations where it might be rational to kill cops. For example, Joseph Wambaugh’s book The Onion Field is about two LAPD cops who pulled over two career criminals, got kidnapped, and one was murdered far away. I imagine a lot of cops read Wambaugh’s book and thought pretty hard about how to train young cops not to let that kind of thing happen to you.

    • Replies: @cthulhu
    Wambaugh was also incensed by the treatment of the surviving cop Karl Hettinger, who was vilified by LAPD brass for giving up his gun - despite that response being more-or-less LAPD policy in similar situations, that had worked in the recent past (Wambaugh gives examples). I can see the events of the Onion Field having effects on individual cops but it took quite a while for the true lessons to sink in institutionally.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The Onion Field was a good book and a good movie with the then unknown Ted Danson and James Woods. Also Wambaugh's other books about cops in LA are entertaining; he admits that much of his material comes from friends on the force.
  97. @JohnnyWalker123
    Regardless, White-Americans are more likely to steal a car than British. (Black-Americans are also more likely to steal a car than White-Americans).

    So the higher auto theft rate in America (even after adjusting for race) should dispel the idea that we have a lower property crime rate in America. It's just not true.

    The “White” figure likely includes Hispanics.

    More “pure” comparisons that I’ve seen show a surprising similarity in intra-ethnic crime rates between Europe and the US.

  98. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Cops all over USA should take August off. Resign for a month and refuse to even negotiate coming back to work until September. And then when September comes only come back if there is some changes in the law where media companies, owners, and personalities can be held financially liable for the problems they cause.

    By the way, where’s Quannelle X? He was always good for a laugh in times of absurdity.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Buy stock in Dunkin Donuts and Tim Hortons. That's where I'd be -with- my partner.
  99. @Anonymous
    Where is Lee Atwater?

    I suggest a pincer movement strategy

    First, Trump makes Hillary the Black Lives Matter candidate in the manner of Willie Horton and Dukakis.

    Second, like Nixon in 1968, he runs a positive campaign of 'all lives matter.'

    In Springfield, Illinois, Nixon said: "America [now] needs to be united more than any time since Lincoln."

    I like this. Seems simple but nobody is saying it. Trump, if you’re out there……do this.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    He should hire film crews to got out to the BLM protests and ask people who they're voting for.
  100. @AndrewR
    Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.

    I would have written "The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers, especially those in entirely different states. We can call for police reform while condemning the terrorist group known as Black Lives Matter and the terrorist politicians (whom I shall refrain from naming) who embrace them."

    cuck

  101. @Marty T
    Yeah pretty much. Why would Trump mention them at all? The issue is violent animals, egged on by Obama and by his opponent, murdering cops. Sad to see him resort to even mentioning these possibly justified police killings in the same breath. Sickening, actually.

    Well Sterling’s and Castile’s deaths can’t be ignored. Even if you want to do so, BLM and their enablers will not allow that. Better to get out ahead of everything and take the wind out of BLM’s sails by pointing out the absurdity of these massive protests (and murders) committed before the bodies are even in the ground and due process has really even begun.

  102. @JohnnyWalker123
    London is 13% black, while Seattle is 9% black. King County (inclusive of Seattle) is 7% black.

    There are a lot more blacks in London than Seattle or Greater Seattle (King County).

    Except that King County at 2 million is much larger than Seattle at 660000. When you consider that King County’s black population is 21% of Seattle’s population and that a large percent of these blacks live on the southern border of the city and are a common transient presence in the city it alters the dynamics of a model that presumes the city’s residents reflect the cities criminal population. They don’t.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    The three cities to the south of Seattle are Kent, Tukwila, SeaTac, and Burien. Combined, they're about 12% black. Same as London's percentage of blacks.

    The point is that both cities have very large numbers of blacks. I'm sure a London resident could point to boroughs with large Afro-Carribbean populations and claim they're responsible for the population.

    If we assume that almost all the crime is committed by blacks, then we still have the question of why London blacks are more law abiding than Seattle/Portland blacks.
  103. @Curle
    Except that King County at 2 million is much larger than Seattle at 660000. When you consider that King County's black population is 21% of Seattle's population and that a large percent of these blacks live on the southern border of the city and are a common transient presence in the city it alters the dynamics of a model that presumes the city's residents reflect the cities criminal population. They don't.

    The three cities to the south of Seattle are Kent, Tukwila, SeaTac, and Burien. Combined, they’re about 12% black. Same as London’s percentage of blacks.

    The point is that both cities have very large numbers of blacks. I’m sure a London resident could point to boroughs with large Afro-Carribbean populations and claim they’re responsible for the population.

    If we assume that almost all the crime is committed by blacks, then we still have the question of why London blacks are more law abiding than Seattle/Portland blacks.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The answer is obvious. If you're a London black, you probably were a 20th-century immigrant from a middle-class or upper-class black family who went to England for college and a job afterwards. You weren't the 'stable-sweepings' who were sold into the slave trade by your own tribe back in the 1600s in Africa, which is what the US got. In other words, London blacks have fewer violent criminals in their ancestry. And once in London, they're less likely to be living in a black ghetto where they only breed with violent, low-IQ blacks.

    London blacks are more likely to be the talented tenth. Origins matter.

  104. @Steve Sailer
    But the Brits have few guns. Fewer guns means fewer homicides, all else being equal.

    Fewer guns also means more burglaries and assaults, as well. An unarmed society is an impolite society.

    “The right to own weapons is the right to be free.” – A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher

  105. Is she retarded? Why do we need to pay attention to Blacks talking about the barriers Whites face every day?

  106. @Steve Sailer
    Cops used to get shot a lot more, but they figured out procedures to eliminate situations where it might be rational to kill cops. For example, Joseph Wambaugh's book The Onion Field is about two LAPD cops who pulled over two career criminals, got kidnapped, and one was murdered far away. I imagine a lot of cops read Wambaugh's book and thought pretty hard about how to train young cops not to let that kind of thing happen to you.

    Wambaugh was also incensed by the treatment of the surviving cop Karl Hettinger, who was vilified by LAPD brass for giving up his gun – despite that response being more-or-less LAPD policy in similar situations, that had worked in the recent past (Wambaugh gives examples). I can see the events of the Onion Field having effects on individual cops but it took quite a while for the true lessons to sink in institutionally.

  107. @Anon7
    A plea for law and order worked for Richard Nixon in 1968:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swyFqRB3dxY

    A plea for law and order worked for Richard Nixon in 1968:

    But it worked because the revolution was so recent, and there was a real reactionary in the picture.

    Once they shot Wallace, Nixon was quickly deposed.

  108. @bomag
    Not what I've been told or read.

    In a 2006 Gallup survey, 5% of British households reported an auto theft; 2% of US households reported same.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/21346/crime-rate-lower-united-states-canada-than-britain.aspx

    Stats are collected differently in each country, but Britain doesn't come across as some great crime free area.

    Interesting survey. It was done in 2006, but still worth looking at.

    According to this recent survey, about 4% of Britons reported being a victim of a crime in the past year. See page 14 of this document.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

    According to Gallup, 19% of Americans report being the victim of a crime in the past year.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/179174/one-four-households-victimized-crime.aspx

    Not sure why the discrepancy between your survey and this survey.

    I agree that the UK is not a crime-free paradise.

    My point is this:

    -The UK has a very low incarceration rate (150 per 100,000), while non-Hispanic White-Americans have 3x the incarceration rate (450 per 100,000.
    -The UK has a very low rate of police killings (2 per year), compared to America (550 non-Hispanic Whites killed per year).
    -Despite their lax system, the UK (even after adjusting for the smaller black population) may not have a higher crime rate.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression has been (based on late 20th Century anecdotes) that it's easier to move away from crime in America than in England. If you live 50 miles northwest of downtown LA in the suburbs of Ventura County, you are safe. But if you live 50 miles outside of, say, Birmingham, you might be visited by criminals from Birmingham.

    In Clockwork Orange (1962/1971), the worst crimes are committed in the bucolic countryside by youths driving out from the big city. That doesn't happen much in America -- partly because racial profiling is pretty effective for South Central residents driving out to Ventura County. But white Birmingham criminals driving out to the remote cottages didn't trigger racial profiling warnings.

    Anyway, much has changed since 1994 and my last visit to Oxford where my talked my ear off about all their car thefts.
    , @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression has been (based on late 20th Century anecdotes) that it's easier to move away from crime in America than in England. If you live 50 miles northwest of downtown LA in the suburbs of Ventura County, you are safe. But if you live 50 miles outside of, say, Birmingham, you might be visited by criminals from Birmingham.

    In Clockwork Orange (1962/1971), the worst crimes are committed in the bucolic countryside by youths driving out from the big city. That doesn't happen much in America -- partly because racial profiling is pretty effective for South Central residents driving out to Ventura County. But white Birmingham criminals driving out to the remote cottages didn't trigger racial profiling warnings.

    Anyway, much has changed since 1994 and my last visit to Oxford where my ear was talked about all their car thefts in Oxford, the queen city of scholarship and wealth.
  109. @CJ

    I’m disappointed that the NYT is calling Jeronimo Yanez a “white” police officer.
     
    Why the disappointment? When it's a non-black shooting a black criminal, the NYT definition of white expands like the ump's strike zone after a baseball team gets ahead by ten runs. If George Zimmerman could be white, why not this guy? (BTW, is he a Filipino?) It warms my heart that people can be promoted on merit.

    Why the disappointment? When it’s a non-black shooting a black criminal, the NYT definition of white expands like the ump’s strike zone after a baseball team gets ahead by ten runs.

    Ha ha. Or after they get the call from the commissioner to make sure the Blue Jays beat the Phillies. What a travesty that was!

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    " Or after they get the call from the commissioner to make sure the Blue Jays beat the Phillies. What a travesty that was!"

    Are you referring to the ridiculous strike zone of Charlie Williams, game 4, 1993? Stopped listening to the broadcast when it was 13-7, Phightin's.
  110. @bomag
    Not what I've been told or read.

    In a 2006 Gallup survey, 5% of British households reported an auto theft; 2% of US households reported same.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/21346/crime-rate-lower-united-states-canada-than-britain.aspx

    Stats are collected differently in each country, but Britain doesn't come across as some great crime free area.

    That survey was from 2006, but still worth reading.

    Interestingly, in both nations, roughly o.5% of vehicles were reported stolen to authorities in 2006. For some reason, 2% of Americans and 5% of British reported a stolen vehicle in that survey. There’s a discrepancy here. Perhaps survey respondents were including thefts by friends or family members (ie joyriding)? So these thefts were reflected in the survey, but not reported to authorities. That may explain the discrepancy.

    Vandalizing of property and physical assault were more reported in the UK too. I wonder if bar/soccer brawls count as physical assaults. Anecdotally, UK whites are supposed to be more likely to fight in bars or over football games. If they are, maybe that’s reflected in the survey?

    One difference between my survey and your survey is this. Your survey asked about whether respondents experienced certain types of incidents. My survey asked respondents if they were victimized. Perhaps UK and US whites define victimization differently.

    It’s worth exploring this in more detail.

  111. @JerryC
    Cops in England basically never get shot at by citizens. Here, it happens all the time. I live in St Louis and we regularly have shots fired at officers...granted most of the local ghetto thugs are pretty bad shots, so usually no one gets killed, but it is still rather disconcerting to be fired upon.

    If there is some kind of Euro Special Policing Sauce that can eliminate police shootings without causing all kinds of other problems, some training program that makes British cops super-awesome, by all means let's adopt it here. But I doubt there is. They are simply policing in a less dangerous, less hostile location.

    We don’t have guns, stabbings are highly common amongst our urban population instead. Many coppers wear stab proof vests. I would like to go back to the days of unarmed police but the demographics are what they are, for now, and so uniformed armed police in sensitive areas are just a fact of life.

  112. @JohnnyWalker123
    Interesting survey. It was done in 2006, but still worth looking at.

    According to this recent survey, about 4% of Britons reported being a victim of a crime in the past year. See page 14 of this document.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

    According to Gallup, 19% of Americans report being the victim of a crime in the past year.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/179174/one-four-households-victimized-crime.aspx

    Not sure why the discrepancy between your survey and this survey.

    I agree that the UK is not a crime-free paradise.

    My point is this:

    -The UK has a very low incarceration rate (150 per 100,000), while non-Hispanic White-Americans have 3x the incarceration rate (450 per 100,000.
    -The UK has a very low rate of police killings (2 per year), compared to America (550 non-Hispanic Whites killed per year).
    -Despite their lax system, the UK (even after adjusting for the smaller black population) may not have a higher crime rate.

    My vague impression has been (based on late 20th Century anecdotes) that it’s easier to move away from crime in America than in England. If you live 50 miles northwest of downtown LA in the suburbs of Ventura County, you are safe. But if you live 50 miles outside of, say, Birmingham, you might be visited by criminals from Birmingham.

    In Clockwork Orange (1962/1971), the worst crimes are committed in the bucolic countryside by youths driving out from the big city. That doesn’t happen much in America — partly because racial profiling is pretty effective for South Central residents driving out to Ventura County. But white Birmingham criminals driving out to the remote cottages didn’t trigger racial profiling warnings.

    Anyway, much has changed since 1994 and my last visit to Oxford where my talked my ear off about all their car thefts.

  113. @JohnnyWalker123
    Interesting survey. It was done in 2006, but still worth looking at.

    According to this recent survey, about 4% of Britons reported being a victim of a crime in the past year. See page 14 of this document.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

    According to Gallup, 19% of Americans report being the victim of a crime in the past year.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/179174/one-four-households-victimized-crime.aspx

    Not sure why the discrepancy between your survey and this survey.

    I agree that the UK is not a crime-free paradise.

    My point is this:

    -The UK has a very low incarceration rate (150 per 100,000), while non-Hispanic White-Americans have 3x the incarceration rate (450 per 100,000.
    -The UK has a very low rate of police killings (2 per year), compared to America (550 non-Hispanic Whites killed per year).
    -Despite their lax system, the UK (even after adjusting for the smaller black population) may not have a higher crime rate.

    My vague impression has been (based on late 20th Century anecdotes) that it’s easier to move away from crime in America than in England. If you live 50 miles northwest of downtown LA in the suburbs of Ventura County, you are safe. But if you live 50 miles outside of, say, Birmingham, you might be visited by criminals from Birmingham.

    In Clockwork Orange (1962/1971), the worst crimes are committed in the bucolic countryside by youths driving out from the big city. That doesn’t happen much in America — partly because racial profiling is pretty effective for South Central residents driving out to Ventura County. But white Birmingham criminals driving out to the remote cottages didn’t trigger racial profiling warnings.

    Anyway, much has changed since 1994 and my last visit to Oxford where my ear was talked about all their car thefts in Oxford, the queen city of scholarship and wealth.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Alex and his droogs in their Durango 95 pay a visit to the countryside:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ltwX603Ft4

    , @BB753
    You're correct but nothing compares to black Americans' high criminality and senseless violence. Not even in Africa.
    , @Rob McX
    I think that if criminals drive out to a remote rural spot to prey on locals, they're much more likely to be shot in the US than they would be in Britain, which might explain the difference in crime patterns. Many people own guns in rural England, but they usually don't keep them prepared for self-defence against burglars or home invaders, and they'd be prosecuted if they made effective use of them anyway.

    Re Oxford: from Richard Dawkins' Unweaving the Rainbow:


    In a previous book I gave away the number of the combination lock on my bicycle. I felt safe in doing so because obviously my books would never be read by the kind of person who would steal a bicycle. Unfortunately somebody did steal it, and now I have a new lock with a new number, 4167....
     
    , @The most deplorable one
    Steve, I hope you realize that A Clockwork Orange is not a documentary.
  114. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression has been (based on late 20th Century anecdotes) that it's easier to move away from crime in America than in England. If you live 50 miles northwest of downtown LA in the suburbs of Ventura County, you are safe. But if you live 50 miles outside of, say, Birmingham, you might be visited by criminals from Birmingham.

    In Clockwork Orange (1962/1971), the worst crimes are committed in the bucolic countryside by youths driving out from the big city. That doesn't happen much in America -- partly because racial profiling is pretty effective for South Central residents driving out to Ventura County. But white Birmingham criminals driving out to the remote cottages didn't trigger racial profiling warnings.

    Anyway, much has changed since 1994 and my last visit to Oxford where my ear was talked about all their car thefts in Oxford, the queen city of scholarship and wealth.

    Alex and his droogs in their Durango 95 pay a visit to the countryside:

  115. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression has been (based on late 20th Century anecdotes) that it's easier to move away from crime in America than in England. If you live 50 miles northwest of downtown LA in the suburbs of Ventura County, you are safe. But if you live 50 miles outside of, say, Birmingham, you might be visited by criminals from Birmingham.

    In Clockwork Orange (1962/1971), the worst crimes are committed in the bucolic countryside by youths driving out from the big city. That doesn't happen much in America -- partly because racial profiling is pretty effective for South Central residents driving out to Ventura County. But white Birmingham criminals driving out to the remote cottages didn't trigger racial profiling warnings.

    Anyway, much has changed since 1994 and my last visit to Oxford where my ear was talked about all their car thefts in Oxford, the queen city of scholarship and wealth.

    You’re correct but nothing compares to black Americans’ high criminality and senseless violence. Not even in Africa.

  116. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression has been (based on late 20th Century anecdotes) that it's easier to move away from crime in America than in England. If you live 50 miles northwest of downtown LA in the suburbs of Ventura County, you are safe. But if you live 50 miles outside of, say, Birmingham, you might be visited by criminals from Birmingham.

    In Clockwork Orange (1962/1971), the worst crimes are committed in the bucolic countryside by youths driving out from the big city. That doesn't happen much in America -- partly because racial profiling is pretty effective for South Central residents driving out to Ventura County. But white Birmingham criminals driving out to the remote cottages didn't trigger racial profiling warnings.

    Anyway, much has changed since 1994 and my last visit to Oxford where my ear was talked about all their car thefts in Oxford, the queen city of scholarship and wealth.

    I think that if criminals drive out to a remote rural spot to prey on locals, they’re much more likely to be shot in the US than they would be in Britain, which might explain the difference in crime patterns. Many people own guns in rural England, but they usually don’t keep them prepared for self-defence against burglars or home invaders, and they’d be prosecuted if they made effective use of them anyway.

    Re Oxford: from Richard Dawkins’ Unweaving the Rainbow:

    In a previous book I gave away the number of the combination lock on my bicycle. I felt safe in doing so because obviously my books would never be read by the kind of person who would steal a bicycle. Unfortunately somebody did steal it, and now I have a new lock with a new number, 4167….

    • Replies: @Anon
    Back in college, I knew the sort of guys who would read Dawkins' book and steal his bike without hesitation. They were very intelligent, easily bored, risk-taking, broke, and would track Dawkins' bike down and swipe it just for the challenge of it. And they would have kept the bike afterwards and ridden it everywhere, all the while bragging they used a bike instead of a car to leave a smaller carbon footprint.

    Brains and initiative do not automatically cancel out arrogance and sociopathy.
  117. @Anonymous
    Where is Lee Atwater?

    I suggest a pincer movement strategy

    First, Trump makes Hillary the Black Lives Matter candidate in the manner of Willie Horton and Dukakis.

    Second, like Nixon in 1968, he runs a positive campaign of 'all lives matter.'

    In Springfield, Illinois, Nixon said: "America [now] needs to be united more than any time since Lincoln."

    Trump has to be careful. He’s made more inroads among blacks than his predecessors, so he needs to be circumspect on race issues. I agree, though, that he needs to paint Pants Suit as the BLM candidate.

  118. @JohnnyWalker123
    So we have no unreported rapes in America?

    We seem to have more reported rapes that didn’t happen.

  119. @iSteveFan

    White Americans need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about....
     
    No, African Americans need to do a better job of leaving others alone.

    The problem is that in a multi-cultural society groups need to keep their hands off members of other groups so as to keep peace and harmony among the groups. No group understands this better than African Americans. They will sit by and watch 500 black-on-black murders in Chicago and do nothing. But when an outsider like George Zimmerman, or any white/Asian/hispanic police officer guns down one of their own, they go bonkers. They do this instinctively as groups do not countenance outsiders taking shots at their own.

    Yet they don't seem to understand that other groups don't appreciate their members being preyed upon by African Americans. Whether we like it or not our elites have given us this most diverse, multiculti nation. And the only way we are all going to get along is to keep our hands off members of other groups. African Americans would do themselves, and everyone else, a great favor if they followed this rule.

    Maybe Blacks could do a better job of talking. Or not talking at the movies and yelling on the bus. Or not burning down their own neighborhoods.

    (I live in Japan. Haven’t seen a Black in months.)

  120. @The most deplorable one
    That is not really a good comparison.

    What is the difference in the rate of ownership of cars between the two countries and cities.

    I am sure that Hong Kong will show a lower rate of car theft per 100,000 as well.

    809 cars per thousand for the US, 519 per thousand for the UK.

  121. @ben tillman

    Why the disappointment? When it’s a non-black shooting a black criminal, the NYT definition of white expands like the ump’s strike zone after a baseball team gets ahead by ten runs.
     
    Ha ha. Or after they get the call from the commissioner to make sure the Blue Jays beat the Phillies. What a travesty that was!

    ” Or after they get the call from the commissioner to make sure the Blue Jays beat the Phillies. What a travesty that was!”

    Are you referring to the ridiculous strike zone of Charlie Williams, game 4, 1993? Stopped listening to the broadcast when it was 13-7, Phightin’s.

  122. @Ivy
    Which commenters are blocked by the most readers?

    My guess is Rehamat tops the list. He is constantly promoting his incoherent blog posts where he shills for Islam. I don’t think he frequents this part of UR though.

  123. @JohnnyWalker123
    If the UK cops just "stand around" and "refuse to patrol," then we'd expect UK cities to be more dangerous.

    London and Birmingham both have 1/4th the homicide rate of Seattle and Portland. If UK police are so ineffectual, explain that.

    The most aggressive, k/selected alpha types emigrated to America or were
    “transported” to Australia. Then, a large percentage of the alphas that remained were killed in Flanders’ Fields. It’s much easier to control r’s than k’s. “Subjects” of the crown are predisposed toward cooperation and order, anyway.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Except that prior to the 1980s, the UK and the US had similar incarceration rates.

    I don't think the non-Hispanic White-American population just became highly aggressive in the 80s.
  124. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    Of course she is. Black Lives Matter talking points are at heart anti-white male talking points. Hillary is talking to blacks, Hispanics and women with the same language. "We have a common enemy. Our problem is white men, and especially white men in positions of authority - take them all down".

    The white male in authority that Hillary knows best is a certain former President of the United States, a man she has been very angry with in the past because he’s cheated on her multiple times.

    I wonder how much of Hillary’s anti-white male politics is based on her psychological attempt to displace her anger from her hubby onto all white males. Her psychological issues are a good reason to keep her out of elected office.

    • Replies: @cthulhu
    Remember her comments on CNN several weeks ago about she knows how to deal with men who have gotten off the reservation? A true Nurse Ratched moment.
  125. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    The three cities to the south of Seattle are Kent, Tukwila, SeaTac, and Burien. Combined, they're about 12% black. Same as London's percentage of blacks.

    The point is that both cities have very large numbers of blacks. I'm sure a London resident could point to boroughs with large Afro-Carribbean populations and claim they're responsible for the population.

    If we assume that almost all the crime is committed by blacks, then we still have the question of why London blacks are more law abiding than Seattle/Portland blacks.

    The answer is obvious. If you’re a London black, you probably were a 20th-century immigrant from a middle-class or upper-class black family who went to England for college and a job afterwards. You weren’t the ‘stable-sweepings’ who were sold into the slave trade by your own tribe back in the 1600s in Africa, which is what the US got. In other words, London blacks have fewer violent criminals in their ancestry. And once in London, they’re less likely to be living in a black ghetto where they only breed with violent, low-IQ blacks.

    London blacks are more likely to be the talented tenth. Origins matter.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    In the UK, blacks have 3x the arrest rate of whites. In the US, blacks 2.3x the arrest rate of whites (including white-identifying Hispanics).

    Overall, UK blacks have about 4.5x the incarceration rate of UK whites. In America, the ratio is 5.8x.

    So, no, not that different.

    In the recent riots in England, blacks totally dominated the rioting in London. Overall, they were arrested at 5-6x their representation (nationally).
  126. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX
    I think that if criminals drive out to a remote rural spot to prey on locals, they're much more likely to be shot in the US than they would be in Britain, which might explain the difference in crime patterns. Many people own guns in rural England, but they usually don't keep them prepared for self-defence against burglars or home invaders, and they'd be prosecuted if they made effective use of them anyway.

    Re Oxford: from Richard Dawkins' Unweaving the Rainbow:


    In a previous book I gave away the number of the combination lock on my bicycle. I felt safe in doing so because obviously my books would never be read by the kind of person who would steal a bicycle. Unfortunately somebody did steal it, and now I have a new lock with a new number, 4167....
     

    Back in college, I knew the sort of guys who would read Dawkins’ book and steal his bike without hesitation. They were very intelligent, easily bored, risk-taking, broke, and would track Dawkins’ bike down and swipe it just for the challenge of it. And they would have kept the bike afterwards and ridden it everywhere, all the while bragging they used a bike instead of a car to leave a smaller carbon footprint.

    Brains and initiative do not automatically cancel out arrogance and sociopathy.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    That's what I thought. I wouldn't be surprised if the second one was stolen as soon as the book was published.
  127. From the article….(Paraphrasing)…”Hillary praised the slain police officers and promptly brought the conversation back to the shooting of Mr. Sterling and Mr. Castile.” I am willing to bet my left nut that Hillary cannot name any of the slain Dallas cops, not one. It won’t surprise that she will show up at one or the other funerals of Sterling or Castile. She will speak in her black idiom and effect a southern accent ( because all blacks are from the south) and she will skip the black face but bring her hot sauce. Hillary is a whore.

    • Agree: BB753
  128. Bitchary said

    the trained seals follow …

    Democracy = dependence to the stupid masses, guided secretly by the usual bastards.

    and MOST of the murican-blacks will vot for ”her”**

  129. @Anon
    Back in college, I knew the sort of guys who would read Dawkins' book and steal his bike without hesitation. They were very intelligent, easily bored, risk-taking, broke, and would track Dawkins' bike down and swipe it just for the challenge of it. And they would have kept the bike afterwards and ridden it everywhere, all the while bragging they used a bike instead of a car to leave a smaller carbon footprint.

    Brains and initiative do not automatically cancel out arrogance and sociopathy.

    That’s what I thought. I wouldn’t be surprised if the second one was stolen as soon as the book was published.

  130. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression has been (based on late 20th Century anecdotes) that it's easier to move away from crime in America than in England. If you live 50 miles northwest of downtown LA in the suburbs of Ventura County, you are safe. But if you live 50 miles outside of, say, Birmingham, you might be visited by criminals from Birmingham.

    In Clockwork Orange (1962/1971), the worst crimes are committed in the bucolic countryside by youths driving out from the big city. That doesn't happen much in America -- partly because racial profiling is pretty effective for South Central residents driving out to Ventura County. But white Birmingham criminals driving out to the remote cottages didn't trigger racial profiling warnings.

    Anyway, much has changed since 1994 and my last visit to Oxford where my ear was talked about all their car thefts in Oxford, the queen city of scholarship and wealth.

    Steve, I hope you realize that A Clockwork Orange is not a documentary.

  131. @Anon
    The white male in authority that Hillary knows best is a certain former President of the United States, a man she has been very angry with in the past because he's cheated on her multiple times.

    I wonder how much of Hillary's anti-white male politics is based on her psychological attempt to displace her anger from her hubby onto all white males. Her psychological issues are a good reason to keep her out of elected office.

    Remember her comments on CNN several weeks ago about she knows how to deal with men who have gotten off the reservation? A true Nurse Ratched moment.

  132. @Anon
    The answer is obvious. If you're a London black, you probably were a 20th-century immigrant from a middle-class or upper-class black family who went to England for college and a job afterwards. You weren't the 'stable-sweepings' who were sold into the slave trade by your own tribe back in the 1600s in Africa, which is what the US got. In other words, London blacks have fewer violent criminals in their ancestry. And once in London, they're less likely to be living in a black ghetto where they only breed with violent, low-IQ blacks.

    London blacks are more likely to be the talented tenth. Origins matter.

    In the UK, blacks have 3x the arrest rate of whites. In the US, blacks 2.3x the arrest rate of whites (including white-identifying Hispanics).

    Overall, UK blacks have about 4.5x the incarceration rate of UK whites. In America, the ratio is 5.8x.

    So, no, not that different.

    In the recent riots in England, blacks totally dominated the rioting in London. Overall, they were arrested at 5-6x their representation (nationally).

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    London is also the population center for UK blacks and fairly representative of their national population. Seattle and Portland are not the population centers for American blacks.

    So, if anything, we'd expect Seattle/Portland blacks to be relatively better behaved than blacks in other large cities. These cities aren't Milwaukee, Detroit, Camden, or Philadelphia.
  133. @JohnnyWalker123
    In the UK, blacks have 3x the arrest rate of whites. In the US, blacks 2.3x the arrest rate of whites (including white-identifying Hispanics).

    Overall, UK blacks have about 4.5x the incarceration rate of UK whites. In America, the ratio is 5.8x.

    So, no, not that different.

    In the recent riots in England, blacks totally dominated the rioting in London. Overall, they were arrested at 5-6x their representation (nationally).

    London is also the population center for UK blacks and fairly representative of their national population. Seattle and Portland are not the population centers for American blacks.

    So, if anything, we’d expect Seattle/Portland blacks to be relatively better behaved than blacks in other large cities. These cities aren’t Milwaukee, Detroit, Camden, or Philadelphia.

  134. @SteveRogers42
    The most aggressive, k/selected alpha types emigrated to America or were
    "transported" to Australia. Then, a large percentage of the alphas that remained were killed in Flanders' Fields. It's much easier to control r's than k's. "Subjects" of the crown are predisposed toward cooperation and order, anyway.

    Except that prior to the 1980s, the UK and the US had similar incarceration rates.

    I don’t think the non-Hispanic White-American population just became highly aggressive in the 80s.

  135. @Danindc
    I like this. Seems simple but nobody is saying it. Trump, if you're out there......do this.

    He should hire film crews to got out to the BLM protests and ask people who they’re voting for.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    That's a freakin great idea. Scavino can you hear us???
  136. @Steve Sailer
    Cops used to get shot a lot more, but they figured out procedures to eliminate situations where it might be rational to kill cops. For example, Joseph Wambaugh's book The Onion Field is about two LAPD cops who pulled over two career criminals, got kidnapped, and one was murdered far away. I imagine a lot of cops read Wambaugh's book and thought pretty hard about how to train young cops not to let that kind of thing happen to you.

    The Onion Field was a good book and a good movie with the then unknown Ted Danson and James Woods. Also Wambaugh’s other books about cops in LA are entertaining; he admits that much of his material comes from friends on the force.

  137. @Anonymous
    Cops all over USA should take August off. Resign for a month and refuse to even negotiate coming back to work until September. And then when September comes only come back if there is some changes in the law where media companies, owners, and personalities can be held financially liable for the problems they cause.


    By the way, where's Quannelle X? He was always good for a laugh in times of absurdity.

    Buy stock in Dunkin Donuts and Tim Hortons. That’s where I’d be -with- my partner.

  138. @AndrewR
    Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.

    I would have written "The video recorded deaths of two young black men at the hands of police in two days is shocking, but we should allow due process to take place before jumping to conclusions, and under no circumstances should we use these incidents to justify violence against any police officers, especially those in entirely different states. We can call for police reform while condemning the terrorist group known as Black Lives Matter and the terrorist politicians (whom I shall refrain from naming) who embrace them."

    Losing respect for Trump every day. Lumping Sterling in with Castile should be left to the shitlibs.

    My feelings\thoughts exactly.

    First off, it’s appalling for Trump to be echoing the Democrats that police shootings are one of our big national problems–“reminds us how much needs to be done”–because it’s nonsense. Then to be lumping these two cases together is just stupid. One is a career criminal pedophile, who was waving a gun and resisted arrest–maybe a good shoot. The other a black guy–maybe a scumbag, maybe even the armed robber–not resisting arrest, not arrested at all, just shot at a traffic stop, by–appears to me unless contrary information is forthcoming–some nervous nellie loser who should never have been a cop.

    Rather than piling on the Democrats “oh this is the crisis of our age” crap, Trump needs to be a man and represent his middle class voters. A statement on this should covers the following points:

    — There are a several hundred police shootings a year.
    — It isn’t some big racist conspiracy, white guys are shot twice as often as black guys.
    — Optionally: Yes black guys are a higher percentage of these deaths than there percentage of the population, but are involved in serious violent crime and so in contact with the cops an even larger percentage. Per violent crime committed white guys are more likely to be shot by the cops.
    — Black cops are even more likely to shoot citizens than white cops.
    — Most of these cases the suspect is a scumbag, resisting arrest and either armed or attacking the police.
    — Michael Brown was guilty. A strong armed robber. A huge guy. Punched the police officer, wrestled him for his gun which fired. And was chasing officer Wilson, who was retreating when he was a shot. He did not have his hands up or yell “don’t shoot”, those are BLM, Democrat party lies–debunked by the black witnesses on scene.
    — There are a few genuine screwups. It’s a big nation of 300m+ people with a millions of traffic stops a year. Some honest mistakes as you have in any profession. And yes there are some police who are hotheads or nervous nellies and should not be cops. We compensate the families of those victims and mourn there loss. And we work to get better. Weeding out poor police officers. Better training for handling these chaotic situations.
    — But a black man is about 100 times more likely to be shot be another black man, then to be shot by a cop. (The number is probably more like 50, Trump should let them “fact check” him on that … so the “real number” is endlessly repeated.)
    — Innocent black men–not scumbags, not resisting arrest are several hundreds times more likely to get shot by some black scumbag than a white cop.
    — The one thing clearly not going on here is any sort of “war against black men” by the police. This is simply a BLM, Democrat party lie.
    — President Obama and Hillary have chosen to hype this lie and be a shit stirrers, amping up the black persecution complex and black racial hatred of whites all in the service of their political agenda. Hillary lying to get energize her black based to defeat Bernie Sanders and gain the nomination and now to try and win the Presidency.
    — The result of BLM’s, Obama’s, Hillary’s shit stirring is a 15% bump in violent crime. Thousands more dead. Police more afraid for the their lives, more tentative and policing less aggressively. Now police officers massacred in Dallas by a BLM terrorist. Thousands more murdered across the land.
    — And Hillary thinks that’s worth it if she gets to be president.
    — As president i’ll represent all Americans and won’t lie to try and stir up crime and violence for political ends.

    ~~~
    Honestly, Trump is again dropping the ball here. This is custom made for the middle class candidate. Obama and Hillary’s shit stirring has considerably boosted the crime rate and killed a bunch of innocent people. Just denounce it.

  139. @Brutusale
    He should hire film crews to got out to the BLM protests and ask people who they're voting for.

    That’s a freakin great idea. Scavino can you hear us???

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