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  1. In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.

    To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @BosTex

    The idea that they’re exiting the gene pool is misguided in the extreme. Almost every one of the queer, purple-haired degenerates around today had grandparents and great-grandparents who would be based af if situated in the context of 2022 America.

    The teenage revolution of the 1950s and then the decadence of the 1960s led to a split between parents and their offspring—so not only is there no guarantee that kids will inherit the beliefs of their mom and dad, there’s a high chance they’ll do the opposite in order to rebel against them.

    In other words, even if a million white nationalists moved to Idaho and founded an all-white Aryan state, within two generations the youth would be listening to hip hop and protesting against the “apartheid” of their nation.

    Replies: @bomag, @BosTex

    , @anonymous
    @BosTex

    The US is 57% non-Hispanic white. In 2050 it will go down to 40-45%. The future is one of race mixing with white Americans transitioning into a new racial group.

    Replies: @bomag, @BosTex

    , @Maxx
    @BosTex

    Well, there is (mass) immigration

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    , @Hannah Katz
    @BosTex

    Now you know why they insist on indoctrinating your children and grandchildren.

    , @Brutusale
    @BosTex

    My observations tell me that even those liberals having kids married and reproduced later than their conservative counterparts, with the attendant increase in kids on the spectrum.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Guest007, @mc23

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @BosTex

    Most white Democrats have Republican parents. Conservative parents producing liberal offspring is an eternal cycle.

    Replies: @BosTex

    , @Corvinus
    @BosTex

    “In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.”

    Wild generalization.

    “To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less”

    This is where you and Mr. Sailer got sloppy by making this inference.

    Generation Z may have Republican/conservative parents, but they generally hold different views.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/

    —When it comes to views on race, the two younger generations are more likely than older generations to say that blacks are treated less fairly than whites in the United States today. And they are much more likely than their elders to approve of NFL players kneeling during the national anthem as a sign of protest.

    The younger generations are also more accepting of some of the ways in which American society is changing. Majorities among Gen Z and the Millennial generation say increasing racial and ethnic diversity in the U.S. is a good thing for society, while older generations are less convinced of this. And they’re more likely to have a positive view of interracial and same-sex marriage than their older counterparts.

    As a recent Pew Research Center report highlighted, Gen Z is the most racially and ethnically diverse generation we have seen, but this isn’t all that’s driving the attitudes of this generation when it comes to issues surrounding race and diversity. There are significant, if more modest, generational differences on these issues even among non-Hispanic whites.—

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/gop-liberal-america-millennials.html

    https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/generation-z-future-of-faith/

    — In terms of identity, Generation Z is the least religious generation yet. More than one-third (34 percent) of Generation Z are religiously unaffiliated, a significantly larger proportion than among millennials (29 percent) and Generation X (25 percent). Fewer than one in five (18 percent) baby boomers and only 9 percent of the silent generation are religiously unaffiliated.—

    Replies: @bomag

  2. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Yep, birth rates have consequences.

    Affluent educated liberals have 1-2 children. Affluent conservatives have 2-4. In recent years, with the implosion of birth rates in blue states, this has only sped up.

    This also explains why the regime is so eager for immigration. Otherwise, in 20 years, they simply don’t have the numbers, if things hit the fan. Adios, mid-century consensus. Most blue cities in blue states will end up as 21st-century, ethnic rust wastelands — similar to Portland, Philadelphia, etc.

    • Agree: Bugg
    • Replies: @Guest007
    @anon

    But how many of the children born to conservative parents are going to go to college, move to an urban area for a job and start voting for Democrats versus how many children more to liberals are going to move to rural Oklahoma and start voting like Republicans? When looking at the red/blue county maps of the U.S., many of those blue dots are college towns in red states.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @anon


    "Affluent educated liberals have 1-2 children. Affluent conservatives have 2-4."
     
    But after having surrendered so many hills, "conservatives" today are barely recognizable.
    , @Anon
    @anon

    Your numbers are all screwed up. You're living in mamby pamby land if you think conservatives are having 2-4 kids. That would stick out like a sore thumb in today's world.

    Affluent liberals have 0-1 children, affluent conservatives have 1-2 children.

    This is for boomers. For liberal millennials it's 0-0.5 children (including cats and dogs) and for millennial conservatives it's 0-1 children (including guns, substack subscriptions and cuck bulls).

    Replies: @SFG

  3. A significant percentage of them are doing it intentionally thinking they are saving the planet. It is insanity.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, bomag, J
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Barnard


    A significant percentage of them are doing it intentionally thinking they are saving the planet. It is insanity.
     
    All according to plan.
    , @Prester John
    @Barnard

    At this rate, eventually they'll render themselves extinct. Works for me.

    , @Anonymous
    @Barnard

    It makes more sense to regard liberals as a religious cult rather than a political movement, kind of like the Shakers.

  4. Presumably those differentials must be even more extreme for white Republicans versus white Democrats.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Woodpecker


    Presumably those differentials must be even more extreme for white Republicans versus white Democrats.
     
    Undoubtedly as the Republicans are basically the white party, and Hispanic and black fertility is higher than white--although Asians are lower, they're smaller.

    Race specific data would be the more interesting bit here.

    Some of this is further fall-off/delay in white fellow-traveler fertility. But I'd bet a good portion of Democrat slump, is due to the steep drop in Hispanic fertility, and smaller drop in black fertility.

    2010 would still capture quite a number (older teenagers) from the "Amnesty boom", plus a good number of Housing bubble babies. But since the housing bubble pop Hispanic fertility has plummeted down toward replacement, and black fertility has slumped from replacement down to close to the white rate.


    Anyone doing social science and certainly politics in the US, really ought to pull out race/ethnic data. Without it you end up confusing rather than clarifying what the heck is going on.
  5. Republicans are stakeholders. They’re homeowners. They’re voters, or used to be. And more than anything else, they’re parents. Republicans want to defend what they have because they have it. Democrats float through life like eternal children. …Forever distracted by the next new thing until they’re old, and realize they’re alone, and afraid.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @San Fernando Curt


    Republicans are stakeholders. They’re homeowners. They’re voters, or used to be. And more than anything else, they’re parents. Republicans want to defend what they have because they have it. Democrats float through life like eternal children. …Forever distracted by the next new thing until they’re old, and realize they’re alone, and afraid.
     
    Slight correction. "Republican voters are stakeholders ..."

    Now we need to have Republican office holders act like they actually care about--or at least deign to cater to--their stakeholder voters.

    A very simple one. Instead of the corporate tax gifts to the likes of Disney and Apple, how about the House passing a huge "Affordable Family Formation" tax break. Every child is say at $20K tax exemption. A family with four kids making 100K would pay no income taxes (with the parents 10K personal exemptions). Their social role is "raise the next generation". Heck, make the first kid 30K to help get parents started. Deliver for you voters. Absolute slash at the federal bureaucracy--all the DIE shit, the corrupt FBI and CIA, most federal agencies, the huge defense bloat--to pay for it.

    And how about telling the truth to young women?

    "The Democrats want you to stay unmarried, unhappy, resentful--and a Democrat voter. We want you to find a man with who can support a family, get married, have children, help raise the next generation of Americans, and in your later years look back upon a long and fulfilling life as your children carry America into the future."

    ~~

    BTW, Steve after immigration, this is the critically important topic, thanks for raising it again.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher, @Bill P, @puttheforkdown

  6. I’m sure more Democrats could afford to have kids.

    There’s something here involving self-loathing, and loathing of the world around them. There’s the trope of progs not wanting to bring children into such a terrible world, with one implication that they are going to go out and fix the world so they can have kids.

    The other implication is they want to cancel the world.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Bill P
    @bomag

    Not self loathing -- self indulgence. Kids require self sacrifice. Democrat philosophy puts the self above all else, including children. That's why it holds abortion sacrosanct.

    Replies: @CalCooledge

  7. The drop in fertility over the last decade is primarily among Democrats.

    Not to worry – they’ll make it up at the southern border. 2,000,000 ready-made Democrats per year beats all the new GOP-diaper babies, and definitely the margin. (I hate to be the Achmed Downer here.)

    BTW, why didn’t Ryan put the two D/GOP curves with their ass-backwards-appropriate colors together for 08-10 and then the same for ’20? That’d have been a lot easier to get info from, but the bar graphs are great.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, bar graphs are amazing.

    If we just had a good bar graph, we'd convince everyone that we're right, and the country would be saved.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Precise Puncher
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Not to worry – they’ll make it up at the southern border. 2,000,000 ready-made Democrats per year beats all the new GOP-diaper babies, and definitely the margin. (I hate to be the Achmed Downer here.)
     
    Well, you're the Achmed Downer, but only because you have down syndrome.

    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA. The annual number of naturalizations is consistently less than one million, and always closer to 500,000 than 800,000. Your 2 million figure would have to include legalized permies, H1bs, etc. None of whom will vote.

    There were 3.6 billion births in the USA, and roughly half of them were white. If just more than half of those 1.6 milllion white births are to Republicans, then Republicans are growing more than immigrants.

    Not that voting Republican matters -- the most consistently red state in the Union, Texas, has dropped below 40% and its Republican government oversaw the majority of that Southern border hopping you're babbling about. Republicans are a fifth column of the Russian and the Chinaman, and they want to scare tools like you in to voting for them so they can continue to rob you blind while doing absolutely nothing to deliver what they promised you. The sickest public humiliation ever perpetrated was against the fool who thought that the small government, big business party was going to deport an entire race of workers at his voting behest.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

  8. SciFi Becomes Reality.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Joe Stalin

    I remember two and a half years ago when people were advocating Chinese style lockdowns on the theory that the Chinese must know what they are doing with the crazy measures they were taking to combat COVID. Those people never entertained the theory that maybe the Chinese were just crazy. China is governed by the same Party that required ordinary people to have a small blast furnace in their backyards and to yield up a weekly quota of steel to the State. This is a country full of people who think they can cure themselves of what ails them by eating powdered tiger d**k. Maybe they're really not a good guide to follow.

    Replies: @Dmon, @Zero Philosopher, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @anonymous
    @Joe Stalin

    Move over Skynet, make room for Chi-net.

    In three years, China has undone 40 years of Boomer goodwill, selfishness and naivety.

  9. Nature always wins – which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Also, let’s start a “Steve wimping out” count.

    Days since Steve has refused to write about Kanye West and, shall we say, Jewish influence: Day 50.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Steve writes about traffic statistics.

    Seriously, Steve, just pick a side. If you think Jews running the show is best, just say so. I might disagree, but I’d respect your opinion. But refusing to even talk about it is just sad.

    That said, your readers don’t seem to care, so why should you? Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn’t it. Well, no one can say that you don’t provide a service.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Plenty of other authors are posting about kanye on this site and elsewhere. How much more of the same would you like to see repeated here ? Is he just so BASED that you just cant get enough ?????

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizenism assumes that citizens get a vote. But Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.

    The debacle in Arizona is on full display. But the threat of losing respectable pundit status with charges of "election denier" is apparently enough to deter alleged conservative dissenters (not just Steve) from noticing or commenting.

    Maybe these folks will start to grow a pair and at least get curious now that free speech is being allowed on Twitter. One should at least be able to notice things and ask questions. The media obviously won't. If Elon's Twitter experiment eventually leads to a decentralized world of smart and independent "citizen journalists" that would be a huge step toward real "Citizenism."

    Replies: @Pixo, @Corvinus

    , @Hormeine Glandger
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Funny, I was thinking he was wimping out on abortion. He used to do the thing where he'd give political advice to Republicans on how to win elections, but he hasn't done that this year because a lot of his commenters are fanatics who broach the idea of any negative outcomes from their unpopular, alienating, and ultimately dysgenic anti-abortion crusade.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @IHTG
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    Nature always wins – which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)
     
    Shouldn't you rename yourself to "White Man in a Silly Country", then?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Irish Romantic Christian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Er newsflash you're writing under a pseudonym, so you're the one wimping out.

    Mr Sailer writes under his own name.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Jack D would be apoplectic! Kanye? That's the crazy guy,amirite?

    , @Anonymous
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn’t it. Well, no one can say that you don’t provide a service.
     
    The combination of civic nationalism and awareness of human biodiversity is the best path toward preserving a White majority. Steve is promoting both. Therefore, Steve is providing the best chance possible for a White majority.
  10. @Achmed E. Newman

    The drop in fertility over the last decade is primarily among Democrats.
     
    Not to worry - they'll make it up at the southern border. 2,000,000 ready-made Democrats per year beats all the new GOP-diaper babies, and definitely the margin. (I hate to be the Achmed Downer here.)

    BTW, why didn't Ryan put the two D/GOP curves with their ass-backwards-appropriate colors together for 08-10 and then the same for '20? That'd have been a lot easier to get info from, but the bar graphs are great.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Precise Puncher

    Yes, bar graphs are amazing.

    If we just had a good bar graph, we’d convince everyone that we’re right, and the country would be saved.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    WTF? I'm saying these ones are great for interpretation vs. the line graphs. I don't expect we're voting out way out of anything, especially between these two color-coded squads of the UniParty.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Reg Cæsar

  11. You should definitely include that one, Affordable Family Formation (AFF), in your new book.

  12. would be interesting to see this controlling for race. i have a feeling white libtard fertility is completely collapsing

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Moses
    @bigdicknick

    My anecdotal observations agree. I know prolly 7 young White ppl 20s-30s, 1 kid between them. 1 couple married 9 years, zero kids.

    The pattern is for the girls to “date” and party for years, then get dumped for a girl younger and hotter. Not one knows how to cook or be feminine outside of possessing a vagina.

    Men not much better. Uptalking sensitive pansies.

    Wokism/leftism is profoundly anti-natal (for Whites that is).

  13. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Jesus could have been transgender, claims Cambridge dean

    The dean of Trinity College said such a view was ‘legitimate’ after a row over a sermon by a student that claimed Christ had a ‘trans body’

    https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/11/27/cambridge-student-preacher-causes-a-row-by-suggesting-that-jesus-was-a-transsexual-male/

    I’m sure our resident Christ-booters are already thinking up reasons why this is actually atheists’ fault.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Anon

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/westminster-city-council-in-london-declares-that-nonwhites-w/#comment-5679008

  14. This is good, but less meaningful without data on the respective “defection” rates of the offspring.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie

    This is good, but less meaningful without data on the respective “defection” rates of offspring.

    Exactly. Progressivism perpetuates itself not via fertility but via its stranglehold on K-PHD education. This is why parents showing up to School Board meetings with an attitude are 'terrorists' to them. It threatens their vise grip on the future. As Another Dad might say "Classic parasitic behavior."

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Twinkie

    As was in the beforetime, so also now:

    "Dems don't need to make children. They have yours."

    This also explains why the elementary school curriculum now consists entirely of why you should change gender and undergo sexual mutilation.

    https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/img_7813.jpg

    , @AnotherDad
    @Twinkie


    This is good, but less meaningful without data on the respective “defection” rates of the offspring.
     
    Conservatives need to stop being pansies on educational choice just because a lot of normies like their public schools and think teachers are "good people".

    The Parasite Party owning education and running it as both their part of their patronage system and the bedrock of their ideological indoctrination needs to be stopped or the nation is hosed.
  15. Really telling stat: 25% of Democrats aged 25-30 are parents to minor children. It’s 41% of Republicans.

    Less than 30% of people age 25-30 are Republicans. A political analysis overlooks the fact that most reproductive age people are childless.

    The bigger picture here is that virtually no one except outliers in our society are having kids, and even those people are having a paltry amount.

    That’s a bad thing, because low fertility is in of itself inherently dysgenic, and decreasing reproductive population size is even more so.

    Look forward to a stupider, weaker, sicklier developed world under these conditions.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Precise Puncher


    Look forward to a stupider, weaker, sicklier developed world
     
    Your pep talks suck.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  16. Would be more interesting to see it for whites only – black/hispanic birth rates likely boost democrats

  17. What percentage of the democrat parents are allowing sterilization of their gender dysphoric (including -by-proxy) children?

  18. What’s the breakdown for parents with teenage girls? Pretty conservative I bet.

  19. @Achmed E. Newman

    The drop in fertility over the last decade is primarily among Democrats.
     
    Not to worry - they'll make it up at the southern border. 2,000,000 ready-made Democrats per year beats all the new GOP-diaper babies, and definitely the margin. (I hate to be the Achmed Downer here.)

    BTW, why didn't Ryan put the two D/GOP curves with their ass-backwards-appropriate colors together for 08-10 and then the same for '20? That'd have been a lot easier to get info from, but the bar graphs are great.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Precise Puncher

    Not to worry – they’ll make it up at the southern border. 2,000,000 ready-made Democrats per year beats all the new GOP-diaper babies, and definitely the margin. (I hate to be the Achmed Downer here.)

    Well, you’re the Achmed Downer, but only because you have down syndrome.

    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA. The annual number of naturalizations is consistently less than one million, and always closer to 500,000 than 800,000. Your 2 million figure would have to include legalized permies, H1bs, etc. None of whom will vote.

    There were 3.6 billion births in the USA, and roughly half of them were white. If just more than half of those 1.6 milllion white births are to Republicans, then Republicans are growing more than immigrants.

    Not that voting Republican matters — the most consistently red state in the Union, Texas, has dropped below 40% and its Republican government oversaw the majority of that Southern border hopping you’re babbling about. Republicans are a fifth column of the Russian and the Chinaman, and they want to scare tools like you in to voting for them so they can continue to rob you blind while doing absolutely nothing to deliver what they promised you. The sickest public humiliation ever perpetrated was against the fool who thought that the small government, big business party was going to deport an entire race of workers at his voting behest.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Precise Puncher

    No, no, of course not. There's no such thing as motor voter laws, stolen IDs, amnesty, moving from State to State, no, they are all living in the shadows. Yes,, White births were within a couple thousand (absolute) numbers of non-white the last year or so. That margin is much lower than the number of voting illegal aliens.

    Oh, and there IS no small government squad - there hasn't been for over 1/2 a century. You're right on one thing - we're not voting our way out of this.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Precise Puncher


    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA.
     
    And only those legally permitted to enter the United States can do so. Which means there can't be any illegal aliens in the first place. And election fraud is against the rules also, so that can't be happening, either. Why do people worry about this stuff? The rules take care of everything.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher

    , @AnotherDad
    @Precise Puncher


    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA. The annual number of naturalizations is consistently less than one million, and always closer to 500,000 than 800,000. Your 2 million figure would have to include legalized permies, H1bs, etc. None of whom will vote.
     
    Believe it or not, unnaturalized, even illegal, immigrants have babies.


    There were 3.6 billion births in the USA, and roughly half of them were white. If just more than half of those 1.6 milllion white births are to Republicans, then Republicans are growing more than immigrants.
     
    LOL. The mind reels.
  20. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    I have 4 . Am considering going for 5 , its now or never , wife is 40. Most guys I know have zero or 1 child and this is across all racial boundaries. A few have 2 children . I am the outler. Interesting note is that I work in an area filled with recent muslim immigrants and many of the guys are still single and childless into 30s and the families usually only have 2-3 children which is certainly more than whites but less than I was expecting.

  21. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Nature always wins - which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Also, let's start a "Steve wimping out" count.

    Days since Steve has refused to write about Kanye West and, shall we say, Jewish influence: Day 50.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Steve writes about traffic statistics.

    Seriously, Steve, just pick a side. If you think Jews running the show is best, just say so. I might disagree, but I'd respect your opinion. But refusing to even talk about it is just sad.

    That said, your readers don't seem to care, so why should you? Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn't it. Well, no one can say that you don't provide a service.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hormeine Glandger, @IHTG, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Anonymous

    Plenty of other authors are posting about kanye on this site and elsewhere. How much more of the same would you like to see repeated here ? Is he just so BASED that you just cant get enough ?????

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anon

    The West/Trump/Irving/Musk saga hits almost every iSteve button - race, politics, entertainment, sports, etc.

    Steve refusing to write about it is not an accident or because he doesn't find it interesting. It's because he's purposefully avoiding it.

    I'm simply pointing that out and calling him out.

    Replies: @Muggles

  22. Several years back, before I was married, a girl at my office once said to me, out of the blue: “You’re a Republican, aren’t you?”

    I’d never breathed a word of my political views or even hinted at them…I thought. I asked her how she knew.

    “Because you want to have kids,” she said.

  23. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, bar graphs are amazing.

    If we just had a good bar graph, we'd convince everyone that we're right, and the country would be saved.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    WTF? I’m saying these ones are great for interpretation vs. the line graphs. I don’t expect we’re voting out way out of anything, especially between these two color-coded squads of the UniParty.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My apologies. You are correct.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Silly" is most likely an SPLC, ADL, or FBI troll sent here to demoralize us. He mocks Steve, but offers nothing in return. What's that about, if not trolling?

    As with the earlier "Sailer strategy", DeSantis in 2022 and Trump in 2016 won with campaigns which come awfully close to Steve's "citizenism". It may be more effective in close elections than we give it credit for, and the other side is scared.

    Again, it's not a philosophy, it's a strategy, indeed, a tactic. Use it where it's effective, drop it where it is not.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Citizen of a Silly Country

  24. • Thanks: James Speaks
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Reg Cæsar


    Billionaires like Elon Musk want to save civilization by having tons of genetically superior kids.
     
    If having lots of sex with lots of different models and actresses is necessary to save civilization, then you gotta do what you gotta do. Is this what they call Effective Altruism?
  25. @Joe Stalin

    SciFi Becomes Reality.
     
    https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1597329645283573760

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anonymous

    I remember two and a half years ago when people were advocating Chinese style lockdowns on the theory that the Chinese must know what they are doing with the crazy measures they were taking to combat COVID. Those people never entertained the theory that maybe the Chinese were just crazy. China is governed by the same Party that required ordinary people to have a small blast furnace in their backyards and to yield up a weekly quota of steel to the State. This is a country full of people who think they can cure themselves of what ails them by eating powdered tiger d**k. Maybe they’re really not a good guide to follow.

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Mr. Anon

    "This is a country full of people who think they can cure themselves of what ails them by eating powdered tiger d**k"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT9GuLK7rME&ab_channel=SteveWells

    , @Zero Philosopher
    @Mr. Anon

    The CCP treats the Chinese people not even as subjects like medieval kings did, but more like Human cattle. It's absolutely horrfying. It's what you get when you combine a totalitarian regime with a people that, culturally, are already predisposed towards subservience. RFecently, a bunch of Chinese people died in a buildiung on fire because of the COVID lockdown.

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who's lifelihood is money extortion. They "sell" you services that don't want to buy, and they take your moeny whether you want the service or not

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force, courts and a military. But even these services are often not of very high quality, and we pay a very, very steep price for government protection.

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money. If you refuse to pay them, they take away your freedom. Think about the appalling nature of such statement: you pay to be free. We are basically slave-taxes, slave-taxed in exchange for our freedom.

    This is why the only two good forms of government there are direct democracy, where you vote for literally everything, and you have the power to remove any government official at any time, *or* a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the "checks and balances" system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    But good luck getting this in America. Neither Biden or Trump are exactly Marcus Aurelius.

    Replies: @Renard, @Rob, @Peter Lund, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Muggles, @Mr. Anon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    Right, Mr. Anon. People think guys with nearly absolute power like Xi and Mao before him are shrewd evil bastards. Nope, there's a big case for their being stupid evil bastards. The entire Covid~Zero idea is incredible in its utter stupidity.

    Unfortunately, I don't think the Chinese people raising hell right now will get very far. The place is more Orwellian than the writer himself could ever imagine - The Chinese people fight Covid~Zero and the Totalitarianism of Xi.

    The latest I heard - yesterday afternoon here - from someone whose family is in and from Peking: The universities are sending students home for a long break. The students are often in the midst of the protests against CCP power.

    Replies: @Ganderson

  26. @Barnard
    A significant percentage of them are doing it intentionally thinking they are saving the planet. It is insanity.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anonymous

    A significant percentage of them are doing it intentionally thinking they are saving the planet. It is insanity.

    All according to plan.

  27. There’s a not a single age bracket I can find where Democrats are more likely to be parents of minor children than Republicans.

    Perhaps the way to the elusive white suburban mother’s vote is not her daughter’s ability to abort her grandchild, but her son’s ability to have a career and a family?

    • Agree: Brutusale
  28. @Precise Puncher

    Really telling stat: 25% of Democrats aged 25-30 are parents to minor children. It's 41% of Republicans.
     
    Less than 30% of people age 25-30 are Republicans. A political analysis overlooks the fact that most reproductive age people are childless.

    The bigger picture here is that virtually no one except outliers in our society are having kids, and even those people are having a paltry amount.

    That's a bad thing, because low fertility is in of itself inherently dysgenic, and decreasing reproductive population size is even more so.

    Look forward to a stupider, weaker, sicklier developed world under these conditions.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    Look forward to a stupider, weaker, sicklier developed world

    Your pep talks suck.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Veteran Aryan

    Indeed. Ignoring the idiocy of believing in any public poll today, especially one so political as to have a nosy stranger on the phone ask party affiliation, ultimately the world belongs to those who show up.

    Which is why the Left is using so many non-internally reproductive methods to bolster their numbers, from molesting children, to gatekeeping jobs and careers that need college degrees (the effect of that is relaxing as demographics and our version of laying flat wrecks the labor pool), to electing a new people through mass immigration and keeping blacks on the plantation.

    There are a number of counters to each of these problems, and we're already seeing a growing backlash against the Left's overt grooming of children in public schools; going after people's children is dangerous.

    Replies: @Guest007

  29. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Nature always wins - which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Also, let's start a "Steve wimping out" count.

    Days since Steve has refused to write about Kanye West and, shall we say, Jewish influence: Day 50.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Steve writes about traffic statistics.

    Seriously, Steve, just pick a side. If you think Jews running the show is best, just say so. I might disagree, but I'd respect your opinion. But refusing to even talk about it is just sad.

    That said, your readers don't seem to care, so why should you? Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn't it. Well, no one can say that you don't provide a service.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hormeine Glandger, @IHTG, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Anonymous

    Citizenism assumes that citizens get a vote. But Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.

    The debacle in Arizona is on full display. But the threat of losing respectable pundit status with charges of “election denier” is apparently enough to deter alleged conservative dissenters (not just Steve) from noticing or commenting.

    Maybe these folks will start to grow a pair and at least get curious now that free speech is being allowed on Twitter. One should at least be able to notice things and ask questions. The media obviously won’t. If Elon’s Twitter experiment eventually leads to a decentralized world of smart and independent “citizen journalists” that would be a huge step toward real “Citizenism.”

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Hypnotoad666

    “ Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.”

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest. Election trutherism is cope that Trump used to grift about $200 million in donations, among many smaller time grifters.

    Good for iSteve for avoiding this stupidity.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @bomag

    , @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    “But Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.“

    There’s a pattern here. NOTICE it. He has a position. He’s just very cagey about it. Read between the lines. He believes that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen and that widespread voter fraud as touted by the right is a nothingburger. Just look at the Arizona investigation and the lawsuit against Sydney Powell.

    He can’t say it out loud, he would lose money for dog food.

  30. @Reg Cæsar
    This is not the way to go about it, though:


    Billionaires like Elon Musk want to save civilization by having tons of genetically superior kids. Inside the movement to take 'control of human evolution.'




    https://mobile.twitter.com/businessinsider/status/1593729031673118720



    Now if only more young black people would listen to Mrs Obama:

    Michelle Obama’s advice to her daughters and young women around the world: don't rush into marriage

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Billionaires like Elon Musk want to save civilization by having tons of genetically superior kids.

    If having lots of sex with lots of different models and actresses is necessary to save civilization, then you gotta do what you gotta do. Is this what they call Effective Altruism?

    • Thanks: Muggles
    • LOL: bomag
  31. @Hypnotoad666
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizenism assumes that citizens get a vote. But Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.

    The debacle in Arizona is on full display. But the threat of losing respectable pundit status with charges of "election denier" is apparently enough to deter alleged conservative dissenters (not just Steve) from noticing or commenting.

    Maybe these folks will start to grow a pair and at least get curious now that free speech is being allowed on Twitter. One should at least be able to notice things and ask questions. The media obviously won't. If Elon's Twitter experiment eventually leads to a decentralized world of smart and independent "citizen journalists" that would be a huge step toward real "Citizenism."

    Replies: @Pixo, @Corvinus

    “ Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.”

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest. Election trutherism is cope that Trump used to grift about $200 million in donations, among many smaller time grifters.

    Good for iSteve for avoiding this stupidity.

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Pixo


    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest.
     
    Daleys gonna Daley.


    https://16inchsoftballhof.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ricahrdtimemag.jpg

    Well, except for the riot control part...

    , @anonymous
    @Pixo

    When they started saying, “by any means necessary,” what was your reason for not taking them seriously?

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo

    So you think Arizona 2022 was on the level? All those vote tabulators that were managed by the Democrat candidate (who was in charge of them as Secretary of State), just luckily had simultaneously malfunctions when her opponent's base voters were trying to vote? And no one will ever investigate because that would be "denialism" or whatever.


    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest.
     
    You are not curious, because you have already assumed the answer without the facts. And you think anyone who wants to find out the real facts is a bad person.

    At least this time it was only a gubernatorial election that was apparently corrupted. The refusal of the Establishment to say anything about it will just delegitimize them even more.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @bomag
    @Pixo


    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest.
     
    A cope of your own.

    Like Caesars wife, we need elections that appear pure; and over time we should get better at such things.

    Instead, they get shabbier by the efforts of a party that suspiciously benefits.
  32. Well, white liberals are less inclined to parenthood than conservatives because they are less “R” select than conservatives. I think the reason is not feminism or anything like that, but just that white liberals are biologically less fertile than white conservatives, in more-or-less the same way that East Asians are less fertile than Caucasians, just like Caucasians are less fertile than west Africans. Or in the same way that Humans are less fertiile than cockroaches.

    Notice how the graphs show parenthood in the late thirties age bracket. I am sure that, if the graph compared white conservatives and white liberals in their late twenties, the disproportion would favor conservatives even more. Because white conservatives not only have more kids than white liberals, but also tend to have them at an earlier age which follows the pattern of being more “R” selected(fast life strategy). If you look at Texas, for instance, the “reddest” state of the Union, it has one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy among white girls. Minessota, not so much.

    • Replies: @Jack P
    @Zero Philosopher

    Is there a place we can find teenage pregnancy rates among white girls?

    Texas isn't really the reddest state. It's the largest red state though.

  33. @Pixo
    @Hypnotoad666

    “ Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.”

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest. Election trutherism is cope that Trump used to grift about $200 million in donations, among many smaller time grifters.

    Good for iSteve for avoiding this stupidity.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @bomag

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest.

    Daleys gonna Daley.

    Well, except for the riot control part…

  34. I think one factor is that Dems and Republicans have discrepant, and justifiable, views of what their new arrival would be like. Republican Dad is picturing having a catch, going fishing, or explaining the uses of a needle-nose pliers. Republican Mom is imagining Momly activities with her boon companion daughter. Democrat parents, not without reason, imagine a bratish kid whose life-focus is the video game or social app; won’t even look-up from the screen, let alone do some stuff together.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  35. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Nature always wins - which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Also, let's start a "Steve wimping out" count.

    Days since Steve has refused to write about Kanye West and, shall we say, Jewish influence: Day 50.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Steve writes about traffic statistics.

    Seriously, Steve, just pick a side. If you think Jews running the show is best, just say so. I might disagree, but I'd respect your opinion. But refusing to even talk about it is just sad.

    That said, your readers don't seem to care, so why should you? Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn't it. Well, no one can say that you don't provide a service.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hormeine Glandger, @IHTG, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Anonymous

    Funny, I was thinking he was wimping out on abortion. He used to do the thing where he’d give political advice to Republicans on how to win elections, but he hasn’t done that this year because a lot of his commenters are fanatics who broach the idea of any negative outcomes from their unpopular, alienating, and ultimately dysgenic anti-abortion crusade.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hormeine Glandger


    ...their unpopular, alienating, and ultimately dysgenic anti-abortion crusade.
     
    Charles Schumer supports legal abortion. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    I'm with Patton. No one ever won a race war by giving his daughter choice. You give the other dumb bastard's daughter choice.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hormeine Glandger

  36. @Pixo
    @Hypnotoad666

    “ Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.”

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest. Election trutherism is cope that Trump used to grift about $200 million in donations, among many smaller time grifters.

    Good for iSteve for avoiding this stupidity.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @bomag

    When they started saying, “by any means necessary,” what was your reason for not taking them seriously?

  37. @Joe Stalin

    SciFi Becomes Reality.
     
    https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1597329645283573760

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anonymous

    Move over Skynet, make room for Chi-net.

    In three years, China has undone 40 years of Boomer goodwill, selfishness and naivety.

  38. OT:

    The New York Times crossword puzzle for Tuesday,the 29th of November has the following clue:

    6 Down: Molecule whose structure was discovered by Rosalind Franklin

    The answer, of course, is “DNA.” I’d say the un-personing of James Watson and Francis Crick is nearly complete.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @PiltdownMan

    Tuesday is the second-easiest day.

    , @Gordo
    @PiltdownMan


    The answer, of course, is “DNA.” I’d say the un-personing of James Watson and Francis Crick is nearly complete.
     
    Wait for the Netflix series where Franklin discovers DNA despite being sexually harassed by Watson and Crick who also make anti-semitic remarks while stealing her work !
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @PiltdownMan


    Molecule whose structure was discovered by Rosalind Franklin
     
    This is so pathetic. By definition she had all the raw data Watson and Crick had, including the useful X-ray crystallography picture taken by a grad student being supervised by her and Maurice Wilkins who was also the supervisor of the famous duo.

    Like for example Linux Pauling, the 20th Century's preeminent chemist, her chemistry background betrayed her into thinking DNA had a triple helix. From old memory of the duo's book, it was biological insight, what sort of structure would be useful for storing genes that helped them puzzle out the right structure.

    One other thing: Franklin did a lot of early work in this general field like with the tobacco mosaic virus before dying at 37 of cancer; if not for that, she might very well have won her own Nobel on merit (they don't give it to dead people).

    Replies: @Rob

  39. @Mr. Anon
    @Joe Stalin

    I remember two and a half years ago when people were advocating Chinese style lockdowns on the theory that the Chinese must know what they are doing with the crazy measures they were taking to combat COVID. Those people never entertained the theory that maybe the Chinese were just crazy. China is governed by the same Party that required ordinary people to have a small blast furnace in their backyards and to yield up a weekly quota of steel to the State. This is a country full of people who think they can cure themselves of what ails them by eating powdered tiger d**k. Maybe they're really not a good guide to follow.

    Replies: @Dmon, @Zero Philosopher, @Achmed E. Newman

    “This is a country full of people who think they can cure themselves of what ails them by eating powdered tiger d**k”

  40. Anon[539] • Disclaimer says:
    @BosTex
    In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.

    To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less.

    Replies: @Anon, @anonymous, @Maxx, @Hannah Katz, @Brutusale, @Peter Akuleyev, @Corvinus

    The idea that they’re exiting the gene pool is misguided in the extreme. Almost every one of the queer, purple-haired degenerates around today had grandparents and great-grandparents who would be based af if situated in the context of 2022 America.

    The teenage revolution of the 1950s and then the decadence of the 1960s led to a split between parents and their offspring—so not only is there no guarantee that kids will inherit the beliefs of their mom and dad, there’s a high chance they’ll do the opposite in order to rebel against them.

    In other words, even if a million white nationalists moved to Idaho and founded an all-white Aryan state, within two generations the youth would be listening to hip hop and protesting against the “apartheid” of their nation.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anon

    Whites have always had a strain of the John Brown gene. Seems to have served them well in the past; not so much today; and the "boiling off" that these stats suggest will eventually manifest.

    , @BosTex
    @Anon

    Thanks for the response. Please See Bomag’s response.

    I couldn’t say it better. The progs have always been with us. They existed in prior generations. Please see Obama’s (worthless) white grandfather. That guy was a total prog POS.

    Now they have decided not to have children, which is a blessing for all concerned.

    Can you imagine how awful it would be to be raised by these self loathing types? Makes you feel sorry for the kid involved/borders on child abuse.

  41. @BosTex
    In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.

    To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less.

    Replies: @Anon, @anonymous, @Maxx, @Hannah Katz, @Brutusale, @Peter Akuleyev, @Corvinus

    The US is 57% non-Hispanic white. In 2050 it will go down to 40-45%. The future is one of race mixing with white Americans transitioning into a new racial group.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @anonymous

    Or other groups will grow while White Americans shrink further.

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @BosTex
    @anonymous

    Thanks for the response. I kind of agree…maybe.

    I tend to be an optimist. To some degree, I think the country is actually getting Whiter. Many Hispanics tend to be White/whitish and a lot of them have married Whites….almost all the kids involved are White.

    I live in Texas and many colleagues are a mix of White and Hispanic. Most of them are pretty White to me.

    Furthermore from a values and cultural perspective, many Hispanics are very White in attitude. Vast majority are Christians, many tend to be on the more conservative side and they don’t seem to be held back by a loser type mentality like AAs.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous

  42. @Twinkie
    This is good, but less meaningful without data on the respective “defection” rates of the offspring.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    This is good, but less meaningful without data on the respective “defection” rates of offspring.

    Exactly. Progressivism perpetuates itself not via fertility but via its stranglehold on K-PHD education. This is why parents showing up to School Board meetings with an attitude are ‘terrorists’ to them. It threatens their vise grip on the future. As Another Dad might say “Classic parasitic behavior.”

  43. @Hormeine Glandger
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Funny, I was thinking he was wimping out on abortion. He used to do the thing where he'd give political advice to Republicans on how to win elections, but he hasn't done that this year because a lot of his commenters are fanatics who broach the idea of any negative outcomes from their unpopular, alienating, and ultimately dysgenic anti-abortion crusade.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …their unpopular, alienating, and ultimately dysgenic anti-abortion crusade.

    Charles Schumer supports legal abortion. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    I’m with Patton. No one ever won a race war by giving his daughter choice. You give the other dumb bastard’s daughter choice.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lol, I'll save that one for later.

    , @Hormeine Glandger
    @Reg Cæsar


    Charles Schumer supports legal abortion. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?
     
    Osama Bin Laden opposed communism. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    I’m with Patton. No one ever won a race war by giving his daughter choice. You give the other dumb bastard’s daughter choice.
     
    My daughter isn't gonna get an abortion because she isn't a slut and doesn't have an IQ of 75. As for the race issue, it's been pointed out to you before that blacks get abortions at a rate that is far higher than whites. That's a fact. I know you FEEL like banning abortion will nevertheless favor whites, but the facts don't care about your feelings.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  44. @PiltdownMan
    OT:

    The New York Times crossword puzzle for Tuesday,the 29th of November has the following clue:

    6 Down: Molecule whose structure was discovered by Rosalind Franklin
     
    The answer, of course, is "DNA." I'd say the un-personing of James Watson and Francis Crick is nearly complete.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo, @That Would Be Telling

    Tuesday is the second-easiest day.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
  45. @Mr. Anon
    @Joe Stalin

    I remember two and a half years ago when people were advocating Chinese style lockdowns on the theory that the Chinese must know what they are doing with the crazy measures they were taking to combat COVID. Those people never entertained the theory that maybe the Chinese were just crazy. China is governed by the same Party that required ordinary people to have a small blast furnace in their backyards and to yield up a weekly quota of steel to the State. This is a country full of people who think they can cure themselves of what ails them by eating powdered tiger d**k. Maybe they're really not a good guide to follow.

    Replies: @Dmon, @Zero Philosopher, @Achmed E. Newman

    The CCP treats the Chinese people not even as subjects like medieval kings did, but more like Human cattle. It’s absolutely horrfying. It’s what you get when you combine a totalitarian regime with a people that, culturally, are already predisposed towards subservience. RFecently, a bunch of Chinese people died in a buildiung on fire because of the COVID lockdown.

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who’s lifelihood is money extortion. They “sell” you services that don’t want to buy, and they take your moeny whether you want the service or not

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force, courts and a military. But even these services are often not of very high quality, and we pay a very, very steep price for government protection.

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money. If you refuse to pay them, they take away your freedom. Think about the appalling nature of such statement: you pay to be free. We are basically slave-taxes, slave-taxed in exchange for our freedom.

    This is why the only two good forms of government there are direct democracy, where you vote for literally everything, and you have the power to remove any government official at any time, *or* a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the “checks and balances” system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    But good luck getting this in America. Neither Biden or Trump are exactly Marcus Aurelius.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Zero Philosopher


    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.
     
    That was pretty much the second century. The first was a bit pockmarked, especially before Vespasian.
    , @Rob
    @Zero Philosopher


    a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the “checks and balances” system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.
     
    Um, is there like a committee that chooses the philosopher king? Why would this superior, uncorruptable guy fight tooth and claw against all the heartless, Machiavellian guys with corruption and wealth as huge motivators? All the while all he has is the knowledge that, should he succeed and climb the greasy pole, he will have to govern just like a Machiavellian, weighing different interests, always looking at what keeps him in power, so there’s not much difference than having a heartless bastard running the show.

    History shows that heartless bastards are more common than potential philosopher kings. The fondness dissidents have for dictatorship is really disturbing. “Screw the PMC, yo. We need Putin!”

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Peter Lund
    @Zero Philosopher

    You vastly overestimate the goodness of the Five Good Emperors. One of them wrote a beautiful book of notes to himself, though. Maybe that book was worth all the bloodshed? Maybe we should forgive the pick of Commodus just because that book is so good? Maybe we should accept the first four just because the last one actually was a philosopher king and was really good at Greek?

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Zero Philosopher

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force...[b]ut even these services are often not of very high quality...

    "Not of very high quality"? You mean, "non-existent"?

    I would love to see the Italian mafia make a comeback in this country. The difference between capos and cops is that when a community pays capos for protection, it gets protection.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpE-hGNVj8

    , @Muggles
    @Zero Philosopher


    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money.
     
    It is interesting to see how much post Soviet Russians describe their government (at all levels) as exactly that. Without exception.

    The the recent book The Amur River: Between Russia and China (2021) by the excellent British travel writer Colin Thubron describes this term used as he travels on the Russian side in Siberia. Every local says this exact same thing about their local or national government.

    He is an 80 YO white haired guy now who speaks Russian and some Mandarin. He travels alone and stays with locals he finds to give him rides or places to stay overnight.

    Great writer. People everywhere know mafia when they experience it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Zero Philosopher


    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who’s lifelihood is money extortion. They “sell” you services that don’t want to buy, and they take your money whether you want the service or not.
     
    Yep.
  46. @BosTex
    In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.

    To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less.

    Replies: @Anon, @anonymous, @Maxx, @Hannah Katz, @Brutusale, @Peter Akuleyev, @Corvinus

    Well, there is (mass) immigration

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Maxx

    I live in Fort Bend County, Texas. Home of Tom DeLay and Ron Paul.

    Ronald Reagan won here in 1980 with 66% of the vote, GWB won in 2000 with 60%.

    In 1980 the county was 80% white, 16% black, and 3% other.

    In 2020, Trump only got 44% and in 2022 Greg Abbott only got 46%.

    ... and Whites are now only about 53% of the population. We've had a massive influx of Asians in addition to more Mexicans.

    There is a reason democrats like immigration... and unfortunately for us here the immigrants tend to vote for blacks, because that's who the democrats are.

    The ethnics are now in control and we are seeing spiking crime rates, spiking property taxes, and an emergence of the same sort of corruption one sees anywhere that blacks have taken political power. But it's still better than India or China (or Mexico), so they'll always vote against the "racists".

    California here we come.

  47. @Anon
    @BosTex

    The idea that they’re exiting the gene pool is misguided in the extreme. Almost every one of the queer, purple-haired degenerates around today had grandparents and great-grandparents who would be based af if situated in the context of 2022 America.

    The teenage revolution of the 1950s and then the decadence of the 1960s led to a split between parents and their offspring—so not only is there no guarantee that kids will inherit the beliefs of their mom and dad, there’s a high chance they’ll do the opposite in order to rebel against them.

    In other words, even if a million white nationalists moved to Idaho and founded an all-white Aryan state, within two generations the youth would be listening to hip hop and protesting against the “apartheid” of their nation.

    Replies: @bomag, @BosTex

    Whites have always had a strain of the John Brown gene. Seems to have served them well in the past; not so much today; and the “boiling off” that these stats suggest will eventually manifest.

  48. @anonymous
    @BosTex

    The US is 57% non-Hispanic white. In 2050 it will go down to 40-45%. The future is one of race mixing with white Americans transitioning into a new racial group.

    Replies: @bomag, @BosTex

    Or other groups will grow while White Americans shrink further.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @bomag

    White and Latino race mixing is the demographic future of America.

    https://www.amacad.org/sites/default/files/media/images/Daedalus_Sp21_13_Alba_Fig1-01.png

    Pie chart shows the composition of the 14.5 percent of all 2018 births that were mixed: that is, the father and mother belonged to different major ethnoracial categories. The largest single category by far is for infants with one Hispanic parent and one White, non-Hispanic parent.

    Chart from "The Surge of Young Americans from Minority-White Mixed Families & Its Significance for the Future" https://www.amacad.org/sites/default/files/publication/downloads/Daedalus_Sp21_13_Alba.pdf

    https://i2.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210831_BrookingsMetro_Census-Analysis_Fig7.png

    47% of under 18 population is non-Hispanic white. The whitest newborns born in 2100 are going to have lots of people of color in them.

    Replies: @SFG, @bomag

  49. He’d have found more Dem parents if he’d looked at parents in the 13-18 age bracket.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  50. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hormeine Glandger


    ...their unpopular, alienating, and ultimately dysgenic anti-abortion crusade.
     
    Charles Schumer supports legal abortion. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    I'm with Patton. No one ever won a race war by giving his daughter choice. You give the other dumb bastard's daughter choice.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hormeine Glandger

    Lol, I’ll save that one for later.

  51. I have always plugged having children to my own four children and occasionally say (jokingly?) that I want to divide my inheritance (it will not be millions of dollars but hopefully hundreds of thousands – so worth getting a share of) in proportion to the number of children they each have.

    I know there is a difference between them saying it and them doing it, but at least at the moment they all seem very positive about being parents one day – even without financial incentives. (The eldest boy is now 26, so it is about time they got started.)

    One thing I have noticed is that the bourgeois couples I know would never dream of plugging family formation and having children in this way. They will say things like well, our eldest does not want children, or our younger daughter says she will never marry – well, it is not for everyone.

    So to the so clever middle class parents you can give the children a definite opinion on all sorts of things of little interest – but not having a family, so it seems.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Auld Alliance

    In the late 1960s, my great uncle took his Son and new daughter-in-law out to see a little rental house he owned.

    See that House Son ?

    Yes Father. It’s a nice house.

    I’ll give it to you, Son, if you and Mary have a child within the year. otherwise, your brother will get it.

    Needless to say - Mary soon popped out a few little ones, they still live in the inherited house, and have 6 grandchildren - a home filled with joy and laughter.

    Replies: @Auld Alliance

  52. @Precise Puncher
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Not to worry – they’ll make it up at the southern border. 2,000,000 ready-made Democrats per year beats all the new GOP-diaper babies, and definitely the margin. (I hate to be the Achmed Downer here.)
     
    Well, you're the Achmed Downer, but only because you have down syndrome.

    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA. The annual number of naturalizations is consistently less than one million, and always closer to 500,000 than 800,000. Your 2 million figure would have to include legalized permies, H1bs, etc. None of whom will vote.

    There were 3.6 billion births in the USA, and roughly half of them were white. If just more than half of those 1.6 milllion white births are to Republicans, then Republicans are growing more than immigrants.

    Not that voting Republican matters -- the most consistently red state in the Union, Texas, has dropped below 40% and its Republican government oversaw the majority of that Southern border hopping you're babbling about. Republicans are a fifth column of the Russian and the Chinaman, and they want to scare tools like you in to voting for them so they can continue to rob you blind while doing absolutely nothing to deliver what they promised you. The sickest public humiliation ever perpetrated was against the fool who thought that the small government, big business party was going to deport an entire race of workers at his voting behest.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    No, no, of course not. There’s no such thing as motor voter laws, stolen IDs, amnesty, moving from State to State, no, they are all living in the shadows. Yes,, White births were within a couple thousand (absolute) numbers of non-white the last year or so. That margin is much lower than the number of voting illegal aliens.

    Oh, and there IS no small government squad – there hasn’t been for over 1/2 a century. You’re right on one thing – we’re not voting our way out of this.

    • Replies: @Precise Puncher
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Obviously illegal aliens don't vote, otherwise Texas would have went back to being a blue state decades ago.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  53. @Pixo
    @Hypnotoad666

    “ Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.”

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest. Election trutherism is cope that Trump used to grift about $200 million in donations, among many smaller time grifters.

    Good for iSteve for avoiding this stupidity.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @bomag

    So you think Arizona 2022 was on the level? All those vote tabulators that were managed by the Democrat candidate (who was in charge of them as Secretary of State), just luckily had simultaneously malfunctions when her opponent’s base voters were trying to vote? And no one will ever investigate because that would be “denialism” or whatever.

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest.

    You are not curious, because you have already assumed the answer without the facts. And you think anyone who wants to find out the real facts is a bad person.

    At least this time it was only a gubernatorial election that was apparently corrupted. The refusal of the Establishment to say anything about it will just delegitimize them even more.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hypnotoad666

    Our elections have always been trash, but they have also rarely mattered. You don't need to eject court-appointed observers and have mysterious plumbing problems and experience preventable ballot printing errors when the choice is between two Bonesmen. That's actually the establishment argument: they say no widespread voter fraud (as opposed to our democracy being important), no difference in the result. What is funny is the cancer of RINO failure-addicts who honestly think a Bush, a Romney or a Christie have any business running.

  54. @Mr. Anon
    @Joe Stalin

    I remember two and a half years ago when people were advocating Chinese style lockdowns on the theory that the Chinese must know what they are doing with the crazy measures they were taking to combat COVID. Those people never entertained the theory that maybe the Chinese were just crazy. China is governed by the same Party that required ordinary people to have a small blast furnace in their backyards and to yield up a weekly quota of steel to the State. This is a country full of people who think they can cure themselves of what ails them by eating powdered tiger d**k. Maybe they're really not a good guide to follow.

    Replies: @Dmon, @Zero Philosopher, @Achmed E. Newman

    Right, Mr. Anon. People think guys with nearly absolute power like Xi and Mao before him are shrewd evil bastards. Nope, there’s a big case for their being stupid evil bastards. The entire Covid~Zero idea is incredible in its utter stupidity.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think the Chinese people raising hell right now will get very far. The place is more Orwellian than the writer himself could ever imagine – The Chinese people fight Covid~Zero and the Totalitarianism of Xi.

    The latest I heard – yesterday afternoon here – from someone whose family is in and from Peking: The universities are sending students home for a long break. The students are often in the midst of the protests against CCP power.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My son works at a university in Canton- they are currently on remote, and are getting nearly a month off for New Years (Chinese New Year). No word from him on protests, but I’m guessing he won’t talk about political matters on WeChat, aka “Commie Facebook”.

  55. @Precise Puncher
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Not to worry – they’ll make it up at the southern border. 2,000,000 ready-made Democrats per year beats all the new GOP-diaper babies, and definitely the margin. (I hate to be the Achmed Downer here.)
     
    Well, you're the Achmed Downer, but only because you have down syndrome.

    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA. The annual number of naturalizations is consistently less than one million, and always closer to 500,000 than 800,000. Your 2 million figure would have to include legalized permies, H1bs, etc. None of whom will vote.

    There were 3.6 billion births in the USA, and roughly half of them were white. If just more than half of those 1.6 milllion white births are to Republicans, then Republicans are growing more than immigrants.

    Not that voting Republican matters -- the most consistently red state in the Union, Texas, has dropped below 40% and its Republican government oversaw the majority of that Southern border hopping you're babbling about. Republicans are a fifth column of the Russian and the Chinaman, and they want to scare tools like you in to voting for them so they can continue to rob you blind while doing absolutely nothing to deliver what they promised you. The sickest public humiliation ever perpetrated was against the fool who thought that the small government, big business party was going to deport an entire race of workers at his voting behest.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA.

    And only those legally permitted to enter the United States can do so. Which means there can’t be any illegal aliens in the first place. And election fraud is against the rules also, so that can’t be happening, either. Why do people worry about this stuff? The rules take care of everything.

    • Thanks: Renard
    • Replies: @Precise Puncher
    @Hypnotoad666

    If voting fraud was real, Texas would have become a blue state by now.

    If anything the Republicans are the ones perpetrating (electoral) voting fraud, by re-districting their states so that the most isolated, lead-poisoned, sister-fucking, Christ worshipping, child molesting regions of their states have an outsized representation.

    But the catch is that this fraud is "legal", and therefore hugely successful.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  56. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @Auld Alliance
    I have always plugged having children to my own four children and occasionally say (jokingly?) that I want to divide my inheritance (it will not be millions of dollars but hopefully hundreds of thousands - so worth getting a share of) in proportion to the number of children they each have.

    I know there is a difference between them saying it and them doing it, but at least at the moment they all seem very positive about being parents one day - even without financial incentives. (The eldest boy is now 26, so it is about time they got started.)

    One thing I have noticed is that the bourgeois couples I know would never dream of plugging family formation and having children in this way. They will say things like well, our eldest does not want children, or our younger daughter says she will never marry - well, it is not for everyone.

    So to the so clever middle class parents you can give the children a definite opinion on all sorts of things of little interest - but not having a family, so it seems.

    Replies: @Anon

    In the late 1960s, my great uncle took his Son and new daughter-in-law out to see a little rental house he owned.

    See that House Son ?

    Yes Father. It’s a nice house.

    I’ll give it to you, Son, if you and Mary have a child within the year. otherwise, your brother will get it.

    Needless to say – Mary soon popped out a few little ones, they still live in the inherited house, and have 6 grandchildren – a home filled with joy and laughter.

    • Replies: @Auld Alliance
    @Anon

    Thanks for that - nice to hear a story with a happy ending.

  57. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Nature always wins - which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Also, let's start a "Steve wimping out" count.

    Days since Steve has refused to write about Kanye West and, shall we say, Jewish influence: Day 50.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Steve writes about traffic statistics.

    Seriously, Steve, just pick a side. If you think Jews running the show is best, just say so. I might disagree, but I'd respect your opinion. But refusing to even talk about it is just sad.

    That said, your readers don't seem to care, so why should you? Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn't it. Well, no one can say that you don't provide a service.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hormeine Glandger, @IHTG, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Anonymous

    Nature always wins – which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Shouldn’t you rename yourself to “White Man in a Silly Country”, then?

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @IHTG

    You need to improve your reading skills. Do better.

    As to my race, it's not how I see myself but how others view me. Multiracial societies are tribal. That's nature and thus reality.

    And reality is that thing that doesn't go away.

  58. @Anon
    OT:

    Jesus could have been transgender, claims Cambridge dean

    The dean of Trinity College said such a view was 'legitimate' after a row over a sermon by a student that claimed Christ had a 'trans body'
     
    https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/11/27/cambridge-student-preacher-causes-a-row-by-suggesting-that-jesus-was-a-transsexual-male/

    I'm sure our resident Christ-booters are already thinking up reasons why this is actually atheists' fault.

    Replies: @Renard

  59. @Zero Philosopher
    @Mr. Anon

    The CCP treats the Chinese people not even as subjects like medieval kings did, but more like Human cattle. It's absolutely horrfying. It's what you get when you combine a totalitarian regime with a people that, culturally, are already predisposed towards subservience. RFecently, a bunch of Chinese people died in a buildiung on fire because of the COVID lockdown.

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who's lifelihood is money extortion. They "sell" you services that don't want to buy, and they take your moeny whether you want the service or not

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force, courts and a military. But even these services are often not of very high quality, and we pay a very, very steep price for government protection.

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money. If you refuse to pay them, they take away your freedom. Think about the appalling nature of such statement: you pay to be free. We are basically slave-taxes, slave-taxed in exchange for our freedom.

    This is why the only two good forms of government there are direct democracy, where you vote for literally everything, and you have the power to remove any government official at any time, *or* a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the "checks and balances" system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    But good luck getting this in America. Neither Biden or Trump are exactly Marcus Aurelius.

    Replies: @Renard, @Rob, @Peter Lund, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Muggles, @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    That was pretty much the second century. The first was a bit pockmarked, especially before Vespasian.

  60. @PiltdownMan
    OT:

    The New York Times crossword puzzle for Tuesday,the 29th of November has the following clue:

    6 Down: Molecule whose structure was discovered by Rosalind Franklin
     
    The answer, of course, is "DNA." I'd say the un-personing of James Watson and Francis Crick is nearly complete.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo, @That Would Be Telling

    The answer, of course, is “DNA.” I’d say the un-personing of James Watson and Francis Crick is nearly complete.

    Wait for the Netflix series where Franklin discovers DNA despite being sexually harassed by Watson and Crick who also make anti-semitic remarks while stealing her work !

  61. @Anon
    @Auld Alliance

    In the late 1960s, my great uncle took his Son and new daughter-in-law out to see a little rental house he owned.

    See that House Son ?

    Yes Father. It’s a nice house.

    I’ll give it to you, Son, if you and Mary have a child within the year. otherwise, your brother will get it.

    Needless to say - Mary soon popped out a few little ones, they still live in the inherited house, and have 6 grandchildren - a home filled with joy and laughter.

    Replies: @Auld Alliance

    Thanks for that – nice to hear a story with a happy ending.

  62. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Precise Puncher

    No, no, of course not. There's no such thing as motor voter laws, stolen IDs, amnesty, moving from State to State, no, they are all living in the shadows. Yes,, White births were within a couple thousand (absolute) numbers of non-white the last year or so. That margin is much lower than the number of voting illegal aliens.

    Oh, and there IS no small government squad - there hasn't been for over 1/2 a century. You're right on one thing - we're not voting our way out of this.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher

    Obviously illegal aliens don’t vote, otherwise Texas would have went back to being a blue state decades ago.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Precise Puncher

    Obviously, Mr. Puncher, illegal aliens are quite capable of crossing borders, pretty much by definition. Therefore they don't all stay in Texas, N. Mexico, Arizona, and California. There are something like 30,000,000 illegal aliens not evenly spread out, but spread out nonetheless.

    I'm guessing over 95% of Hispanic illegal aliens come across the southern border, but others, including a few million •Indian and Chinese illegal aliens come in through airports-of-entry aided by corrupt immigration officials and by overstaying non-immigration visas.

    You should spend some time on VDare - a LOT of time. The site is about all things immigration-invasion related, with great writers and lots of links.

  63. @Hypnotoad666
    @Precise Puncher


    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA.
     
    And only those legally permitted to enter the United States can do so. Which means there can't be any illegal aliens in the first place. And election fraud is against the rules also, so that can't be happening, either. Why do people worry about this stuff? The rules take care of everything.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher

    If voting fraud was real, Texas would have become a blue state by now.

    If anything the Republicans are the ones perpetrating (electoral) voting fraud, by re-districting their states so that the most isolated, lead-poisoned, sister-fucking, Christ worshipping, child molesting regions of their states have an outsized representation.

    But the catch is that this fraud is “legal”, and therefore hugely successful.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Precise Puncher

    Excellent! Join me in advocating for a national divorce.

    Your dishonest, rabid, and vile response identifies you as one of the left-wing idiots unworthy of American citizenship. Let us embrace Woodrow Wilson's right of self-determination. You can isolate yourself in a blue city where you can realize your glorious Soviet future, and we can return to the arrangement that the framers and the founders intended. Then we can have the same government of the free that our fathers bled and died for.

    Get out of my country; your hydrophobia and fevered reactions are a hazard to everyone within reach of your bloody hand.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher

  64. @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo

    So you think Arizona 2022 was on the level? All those vote tabulators that were managed by the Democrat candidate (who was in charge of them as Secretary of State), just luckily had simultaneously malfunctions when her opponent's base voters were trying to vote? And no one will ever investigate because that would be "denialism" or whatever.


    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest.
     
    You are not curious, because you have already assumed the answer without the facts. And you think anyone who wants to find out the real facts is a bad person.

    At least this time it was only a gubernatorial election that was apparently corrupted. The refusal of the Establishment to say anything about it will just delegitimize them even more.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Our elections have always been trash, but they have also rarely mattered. You don’t need to eject court-appointed observers and have mysterious plumbing problems and experience preventable ballot printing errors when the choice is between two Bonesmen. That’s actually the establishment argument: they say no widespread voter fraud (as opposed to our democracy being important), no difference in the result. What is funny is the cancer of RINO failure-addicts who honestly think a Bush, a Romney or a Christie have any business running.

    • Agree: bomag
  65. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Nature always wins - which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Also, let's start a "Steve wimping out" count.

    Days since Steve has refused to write about Kanye West and, shall we say, Jewish influence: Day 50.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Steve writes about traffic statistics.

    Seriously, Steve, just pick a side. If you think Jews running the show is best, just say so. I might disagree, but I'd respect your opinion. But refusing to even talk about it is just sad.

    That said, your readers don't seem to care, so why should you? Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn't it. Well, no one can say that you don't provide a service.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hormeine Glandger, @IHTG, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Anonymous

    Er newsflash you’re writing under a pseudonym, so you’re the one wimping out.

    Mr Sailer writes under his own name.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Irish Romantic Christian

    And, yet, ironically, I'm the one being honest.

    Regardless, you have a point, a point that I addressed (not that you noticed). Steve could simply say that he'd love to write about West and the small hats, but he'd prefer not getting sued by the ADL.

    But he doesn't because even a little joke like that is taking a side.

    Also, what exactly is Steve afraid of. Ron Unz wouldn't care. West and Trump won't care.

    Only one group would actually go after him, which, again, should tell you something. Of course, Steve may have other reasons for avoiding the story.

    Maybe he's on the side of usual suspects but doesn't want his readers to know. Maybe he has a couple of mega donors who wear very small hats. Maybe he's afraid of getting kicked out of the pundits' club.

    Who knows. What I do know is that he's not avoiding the story because it's less interesting than traffic statistics.

    Replies: @EdwardM

  66. @Twinkie
    This is good, but less meaningful without data on the respective “defection” rates of the offspring.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    As was in the beforetime, so also now:

    Dems don’t need to make children. They have yours.

    This also explains why the elementary school curriculum now consists entirely of why you should change gender and undergo sexual mutilation.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  67. anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag
    @anonymous

    Or other groups will grow while White Americans shrink further.

    Replies: @anonymous

    White and Latino race mixing is the demographic future of America.

    Pie chart shows the composition of the 14.5 percent of all 2018 births that were mixed: that is, the father and mother belonged to different major ethnoracial categories. The largest single category by far is for infants with one Hispanic parent and one White, non-Hispanic parent.

    Chart from “The Surge of Young Americans from Minority-White Mixed Families & Its Significance for the Future” https://www.amacad.org/sites/default/files/publication/downloads/Daedalus_Sp21_13_Alba.pdf

    47% of under 18 population is non-Hispanic white. The whitest newborns born in 2100 are going to have lots of people of color in them.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @anonymous

    Unpopular opinion, but here goes.

    You need to focus on repealing affirmative action and making it illegal. Without it the still existing gradient in wealth will persist and you’ll have a Latin America style color continuum where a white skin is more attractive. Not quite old America but better than South Africa.

    As an additional silver lining Hispanic Catholicism might help beat back wokeness.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    , @bomag
    @anonymous


    47% of under 18 population is non-Hispanic white.
     
    From immigration and differential breeding.

    There's been race mixing from time immemorial. People drift back into identifying with extant groups.


    Pie chart shows the composition of the 14.5 percent of all 2018 births that were mixed...
     
    That is not that high of a boiling off rate.

    End game is that there will always be classic Whites around; just fewer of them.

    Replies: @anonymous

  68. @bigdicknick
    would be interesting to see this controlling for race. i have a feeling white libtard fertility is completely collapsing

    Replies: @Moses

    My anecdotal observations agree. I know prolly 7 young White ppl 20s-30s, 1 kid between them. 1 couple married 9 years, zero kids.

    The pattern is for the girls to “date” and party for years, then get dumped for a girl younger and hotter. Not one knows how to cook or be feminine outside of possessing a vagina.

    Men not much better. Uptalking sensitive pansies.

    Wokism/leftism is profoundly anti-natal (for Whites that is).

  69. @BosTex
    In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.

    To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less.

    Replies: @Anon, @anonymous, @Maxx, @Hannah Katz, @Brutusale, @Peter Akuleyev, @Corvinus

    Now you know why they insist on indoctrinating your children and grandchildren.

    • Agree: BosTex, JR Ewing
  70. Most of what everyone here says makes sense anecdotally, but the effect size on this particular data seems small.

  71. @Precise Puncher
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Obviously illegal aliens don't vote, otherwise Texas would have went back to being a blue state decades ago.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Obviously, Mr. Puncher, illegal aliens are quite capable of crossing borders, pretty much by definition. Therefore they don’t all stay in Texas, N. Mexico, Arizona, and California. There are something like 30,000,000 illegal aliens not evenly spread out, but spread out nonetheless.

    I’m guessing over 95% of Hispanic illegal aliens come across the southern border, but others, including a few million •Indian and Chinese illegal aliens come in through airports-of-entry aided by corrupt immigration officials and by overstaying non-immigration visas.

    You should spend some time on VDare – a LOT of time. The site is about all things immigration-invasion related, with great writers and lots of links.

  72. @Anon
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Plenty of other authors are posting about kanye on this site and elsewhere. How much more of the same would you like to see repeated here ? Is he just so BASED that you just cant get enough ?????

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The West/Trump/Irving/Musk saga hits almost every iSteve button – race, politics, entertainment, sports, etc.

    Steve refusing to write about it is not an accident or because he doesn’t find it interesting. It’s because he’s purposefully avoiding it.

    I’m simply pointing that out and calling him out.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    I’m simply pointing that out and calling him out.
     
    And dear Citizen, where can we find your daily multiple subject columns online about these pressing subjects you seem so bothered about?

    No luck finding those yet...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  73. @IHTG
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    Nature always wins – which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)
     
    Shouldn't you rename yourself to "White Man in a Silly Country", then?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You need to improve your reading skills. Do better.

    As to my race, it’s not how I see myself but how others view me. Multiracial societies are tribal. That’s nature and thus reality.

    And reality is that thing that doesn’t go away.

  74. Is this just for non-Hispanic whites or for everyone? Black fertility has been going down to the point of being equal to non-Hispanic whites whereas Hispanic fertility is still much higher than whites. Asian-Americans fertility is below whites.

    Also, is the writer just noting that non-Hispanic whiter fertility for non-college grads is higher than for college grades or is the writer noting that not Hispanic are identifying as Republican.

    There is also the issue with independents that lean versus independents who are partisan but just say that they are independent.

  75. @anon
    Yep, birth rates have consequences.

    Affluent educated liberals have 1-2 children. Affluent conservatives have 2-4. In recent years, with the implosion of birth rates in blue states, this has only sped up.

    This also explains why the regime is so eager for immigration. Otherwise, in 20 years, they simply don't have the numbers, if things hit the fan. Adios, mid-century consensus. Most blue cities in blue states will end up as 21st-century, ethnic rust wastelands -- similar to Portland, Philadelphia, etc.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon

    But how many of the children born to conservative parents are going to go to college, move to an urban area for a job and start voting for Democrats versus how many children more to liberals are going to move to rural Oklahoma and start voting like Republicans? When looking at the red/blue county maps of the U.S., many of those blue dots are college towns in red states.

  76. @Veteran Aryan
    @Precise Puncher


    Look forward to a stupider, weaker, sicklier developed world
     
    Your pep talks suck.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Indeed. Ignoring the idiocy of believing in any public poll today, especially one so political as to have a nosy stranger on the phone ask party affiliation, ultimately the world belongs to those who show up.

    Which is why the Left is using so many non-internally reproductive methods to bolster their numbers, from molesting children, to gatekeeping jobs and careers that need college degrees (the effect of that is relaxing as demographics and our version of laying flat wrecks the labor pool), to electing a new people through mass immigration and keeping blacks on the plantation.

    There are a number of counters to each of these problems, and we’re already seeing a growing backlash against the Left’s overt grooming of children in public schools; going after people’s children is dangerous.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @That Would Be Telling

    The pollster already know if one voted and which primary one voted in. thus, if one voted in a Republican Primary but says that one is a Democrat, the pollster knows to not count the results.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  77. @BosTex
    In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.

    To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less.

    Replies: @Anon, @anonymous, @Maxx, @Hannah Katz, @Brutusale, @Peter Akuleyev, @Corvinus

    My observations tell me that even those liberals having kids married and reproduced later than their conservative counterparts, with the attendant increase in kids on the spectrum.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Brutusale

    Thanks Brutusale-


    Could be true. I am never one to make that argument. My wife was almost 40 and I was almost 50 when our daughter was born.

    Despite being related to me: my daughter appears to be entirely normal and quite beautiful in both appearance and personality. I look like a Neanderthal. My wife checked out the appearance of the women in my family tree to make sure a girl would have a decent shot to be pretty.

    I will have to say that having children pretty late is dangerous for the mother. My wife had all sorts of health issues, post partum and the Ob suggested would be dangerous for her to have more. I think we started out with the intention of having 2-3.

    Have many kids fairly early is a very good life strategy.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Guest007
    @Brutusale

    But children born to people who married younger are more likely to end up in a broken home and not really have two parents. That could also lead to anti-social and other mental health issues.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @mc23
    @Brutusale

    It's not just older women whose children are more prone to problems. They're figuring out children with older fathers are also more prone to problems. The large majority of the children of older parents do quite well but the odds are what they are.

    I do think now that people should start have children in their early twenties. In the long run I feel it’s better for those who do want families. The key is making families affordable. Anecdotally, based on my knowledge, many women experience a drastic drop in fertility by their late twenties, one or two children early on and then they struggle. So much in our society is pushing the idea that starting in your thirties is marvelous.

  78. @PiltdownMan
    OT:

    The New York Times crossword puzzle for Tuesday,the 29th of November has the following clue:

    6 Down: Molecule whose structure was discovered by Rosalind Franklin
     
    The answer, of course, is "DNA." I'd say the un-personing of James Watson and Francis Crick is nearly complete.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo, @That Would Be Telling

    Molecule whose structure was discovered by Rosalind Franklin

    This is so pathetic. By definition she had all the raw data Watson and Crick had, including the useful X-ray crystallography picture taken by a grad student being supervised by her and Maurice Wilkins who was also the supervisor of the famous duo.

    Like for example Linux Pauling, the 20th Century’s preeminent chemist, her chemistry background betrayed her into thinking DNA had a triple helix. From old memory of the duo’s book, it was biological insight, what sort of structure would be useful for storing genes that helped them puzzle out the right structure.

    One other thing: Franklin did a lot of early work in this general field like with the tobacco mosaic virus before dying at 37 of cancer; if not for that, she might very well have won her own Nobel on merit (they don’t give it to dead people).

    • Replies: @Rob
    @That Would Be Telling


    Like for example Linux Pauling…
     
    That’s a great name for a new version of Linux.
  79. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    Right, Mr. Anon. People think guys with nearly absolute power like Xi and Mao before him are shrewd evil bastards. Nope, there's a big case for their being stupid evil bastards. The entire Covid~Zero idea is incredible in its utter stupidity.

    Unfortunately, I don't think the Chinese people raising hell right now will get very far. The place is more Orwellian than the writer himself could ever imagine - The Chinese people fight Covid~Zero and the Totalitarianism of Xi.

    The latest I heard - yesterday afternoon here - from someone whose family is in and from Peking: The universities are sending students home for a long break. The students are often in the midst of the protests against CCP power.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    My son works at a university in Canton- they are currently on remote, and are getting nearly a month off for New Years (Chinese New Year). No word from him on protests, but I’m guessing he won’t talk about political matters on WeChat, aka “Commie Facebook”.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  80. @Irish Romantic Christian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Er newsflash you're writing under a pseudonym, so you're the one wimping out.

    Mr Sailer writes under his own name.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    And, yet, ironically, I’m the one being honest.

    Regardless, you have a point, a point that I addressed (not that you noticed). Steve could simply say that he’d love to write about West and the small hats, but he’d prefer not getting sued by the ADL.

    But he doesn’t because even a little joke like that is taking a side.

    Also, what exactly is Steve afraid of. Ron Unz wouldn’t care. West and Trump won’t care.

    Only one group would actually go after him, which, again, should tell you something. Of course, Steve may have other reasons for avoiding the story.

    Maybe he’s on the side of usual suspects but doesn’t want his readers to know. Maybe he has a couple of mega donors who wear very small hats. Maybe he’s afraid of getting kicked out of the pundits’ club.

    Who knows. What I do know is that he’s not avoiding the story because it’s less interesting than traffic statistics.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Maybe Steve feels like this issue is adequately covered at Unz and he has a comparative advantage focusing on other topics.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  81. I assume data came from a survey (the “S” in “CES 2020). No matter how well conducted, that survey is going to undercount certain people (blacks and white trash) who are superfecund, lean Democrat, and are more likely than average to respond to a survey with “ain’t nobody got to time for that sheeeeit.”

  82. @anonymous
    @bomag

    White and Latino race mixing is the demographic future of America.

    https://www.amacad.org/sites/default/files/media/images/Daedalus_Sp21_13_Alba_Fig1-01.png

    Pie chart shows the composition of the 14.5 percent of all 2018 births that were mixed: that is, the father and mother belonged to different major ethnoracial categories. The largest single category by far is for infants with one Hispanic parent and one White, non-Hispanic parent.

    Chart from "The Surge of Young Americans from Minority-White Mixed Families & Its Significance for the Future" https://www.amacad.org/sites/default/files/publication/downloads/Daedalus_Sp21_13_Alba.pdf

    https://i2.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210831_BrookingsMetro_Census-Analysis_Fig7.png

    47% of under 18 population is non-Hispanic white. The whitest newborns born in 2100 are going to have lots of people of color in them.

    Replies: @SFG, @bomag

    Unpopular opinion, but here goes.

    You need to focus on repealing affirmative action and making it illegal. Without it the still existing gradient in wealth will persist and you’ll have a Latin America style color continuum where a white skin is more attractive. Not quite old America but better than South Africa.

    As an additional silver lining Hispanic Catholicism might help beat back wokeness.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @SFG

    We need to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Aside from the abomination against liberty, it is largely behind much of what ails society (other than immigration). It gave us:

    -- Racial preferences and quotas --> the rise of "disparate impact," a fabulous perversion of law and common sense --> extension of these principles to all groups other than white heterosexual cis-males

    -- Civil rights lawfare whereby a minority basically can't be fired and every company is one ambulance-chasing shyster away from bankruptcy --> omnipotent HR and "compliance" bureaucracies to, in theory, protect companies from lawsuits or government sanctions, which perpetuate themselves and go way beyond their original mandate to dream up insidious practices to be imposed on the company --> having to watch your words at the water cooler, or at happy hour, or in your e-mail --> entire classes of people being immune from criticism

    -- Removing joy and ambition from the workplace --> the steady deterioration of innovation and quality as companies become indistinguishable from government bureaucracies --> a race to the bottom in promotion of DIE and virtue-signalling in general --> all businesses basically being arms of the state (i.e., facism)

    Justice O'Connor said in 25 years we won't need racial preferences. How long before we won't need racial bean-counting at all and can revert to freedom of association?

  83. @That Would Be Telling
    @PiltdownMan


    Molecule whose structure was discovered by Rosalind Franklin
     
    This is so pathetic. By definition she had all the raw data Watson and Crick had, including the useful X-ray crystallography picture taken by a grad student being supervised by her and Maurice Wilkins who was also the supervisor of the famous duo.

    Like for example Linux Pauling, the 20th Century's preeminent chemist, her chemistry background betrayed her into thinking DNA had a triple helix. From old memory of the duo's book, it was biological insight, what sort of structure would be useful for storing genes that helped them puzzle out the right structure.

    One other thing: Franklin did a lot of early work in this general field like with the tobacco mosaic virus before dying at 37 of cancer; if not for that, she might very well have won her own Nobel on merit (they don't give it to dead people).

    Replies: @Rob

    Like for example Linux Pauling…

    That’s a great name for a new version of Linux.

  84. @Zero Philosopher
    @Mr. Anon

    The CCP treats the Chinese people not even as subjects like medieval kings did, but more like Human cattle. It's absolutely horrfying. It's what you get when you combine a totalitarian regime with a people that, culturally, are already predisposed towards subservience. RFecently, a bunch of Chinese people died in a buildiung on fire because of the COVID lockdown.

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who's lifelihood is money extortion. They "sell" you services that don't want to buy, and they take your moeny whether you want the service or not

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force, courts and a military. But even these services are often not of very high quality, and we pay a very, very steep price for government protection.

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money. If you refuse to pay them, they take away your freedom. Think about the appalling nature of such statement: you pay to be free. We are basically slave-taxes, slave-taxed in exchange for our freedom.

    This is why the only two good forms of government there are direct democracy, where you vote for literally everything, and you have the power to remove any government official at any time, *or* a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the "checks and balances" system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    But good luck getting this in America. Neither Biden or Trump are exactly Marcus Aurelius.

    Replies: @Renard, @Rob, @Peter Lund, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Muggles, @Mr. Anon

    a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the “checks and balances” system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Um, is there like a committee that chooses the philosopher king? Why would this superior, uncorruptable guy fight tooth and claw against all the heartless, Machiavellian guys with corruption and wealth as huge motivators? All the while all he has is the knowledge that, should he succeed and climb the greasy pole, he will have to govern just like a Machiavellian, weighing different interests, always looking at what keeps him in power, so there’s not much difference than having a heartless bastard running the show.

    History shows that heartless bastards are more common than potential philosopher kings. The fondness dissidents have for dictatorship is really disturbing. “Screw the PMC, yo. We need Putin!”

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Rob

    I always found it amusing how many alt right and neoreactionary types think their Caesar will do what they want. He is far more likely, if history is any guide, to sell them out to the upper or upper middle classes who own assets and administer the empire respectively, which means you are going to get wokeness covering up capitalist exploitation of the old school…kind of like now, except the king won’t have to make enough concessions to the plebs to get re-elected.

    They want Hitler, but a Hitler running the current USA would not be able to use racial purity as a binding agent; being interested in power above all else, he’d probably come up with some variant of the current ideology that kept him in power.

    Replies: @Rob, @AnotherDad

  85. @Anon
    @BosTex

    The idea that they’re exiting the gene pool is misguided in the extreme. Almost every one of the queer, purple-haired degenerates around today had grandparents and great-grandparents who would be based af if situated in the context of 2022 America.

    The teenage revolution of the 1950s and then the decadence of the 1960s led to a split between parents and their offspring—so not only is there no guarantee that kids will inherit the beliefs of their mom and dad, there’s a high chance they’ll do the opposite in order to rebel against them.

    In other words, even if a million white nationalists moved to Idaho and founded an all-white Aryan state, within two generations the youth would be listening to hip hop and protesting against the “apartheid” of their nation.

    Replies: @bomag, @BosTex

    Thanks for the response. Please See Bomag’s response.

    I couldn’t say it better. The progs have always been with us. They existed in prior generations. Please see Obama’s (worthless) white grandfather. That guy was a total prog POS.

    Now they have decided not to have children, which is a blessing for all concerned.

    Can you imagine how awful it would be to be raised by these self loathing types? Makes you feel sorry for the kid involved/borders on child abuse.

  86. @SFG
    @anonymous

    Unpopular opinion, but here goes.

    You need to focus on repealing affirmative action and making it illegal. Without it the still existing gradient in wealth will persist and you’ll have a Latin America style color continuum where a white skin is more attractive. Not quite old America but better than South Africa.

    As an additional silver lining Hispanic Catholicism might help beat back wokeness.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    We need to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Aside from the abomination against liberty, it is largely behind much of what ails society (other than immigration). It gave us:

    — Racial preferences and quotas –> the rise of “disparate impact,” a fabulous perversion of law and common sense –> extension of these principles to all groups other than white heterosexual cis-males

    — Civil rights lawfare whereby a minority basically can’t be fired and every company is one ambulance-chasing shyster away from bankruptcy –> omnipotent HR and “compliance” bureaucracies to, in theory, protect companies from lawsuits or government sanctions, which perpetuate themselves and go way beyond their original mandate to dream up insidious practices to be imposed on the company –> having to watch your words at the water cooler, or at happy hour, or in your e-mail –> entire classes of people being immune from criticism

    — Removing joy and ambition from the workplace –> the steady deterioration of innovation and quality as companies become indistinguishable from government bureaucracies –> a race to the bottom in promotion of DIE and virtue-signalling in general –> all businesses basically being arms of the state (i.e., facism)

    Justice O’Connor said in 25 years we won’t need racial preferences. How long before we won’t need racial bean-counting at all and can revert to freedom of association?

    • Agree: anarchyst
  87. @anonymous
    @BosTex

    The US is 57% non-Hispanic white. In 2050 it will go down to 40-45%. The future is one of race mixing with white Americans transitioning into a new racial group.

    Replies: @bomag, @BosTex

    Thanks for the response. I kind of agree…maybe.

    I tend to be an optimist. To some degree, I think the country is actually getting Whiter. Many Hispanics tend to be White/whitish and a lot of them have married Whites….almost all the kids involved are White.

    I live in Texas and many colleagues are a mix of White and Hispanic. Most of them are pretty White to me.

    Furthermore from a values and cultural perspective, many Hispanics are very White in attitude. Vast majority are Christians, many tend to be on the more conservative side and they don’t seem to be held back by a loser type mentality like AAs.

    • Disagree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @SFG
    @BosTex

    Could be in 40 years people will talk about being 1/4 Mexican the way they talk about being 1/4 Irish now.

    You really have to at least kill disparate impact, though, as others here have said. Otherwise it remains actually beneficial to refuse to assimilate.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @BosTex

    , @Anonymous
    @BosTex

    They are white from a Latin American and Southern European perspective but not a Northern European or Anglosphere perspective.

    Latinos and Southern Euros think that a 70-85% white person is white.

    You have to be 100% white to be truly white in Northern Europe and the Anglosphere. Anything less makes you whichever race has the lowest status. This is true for non-white mixed race people too. If you're half black and half Hispanic you're black. If you're half black and half Abo you're Abo. Where it gets tricky is Pacific Islanders, Hispanics, and Middle Easterners, who all have roughly the same status.

  88. @Zero Philosopher
    @Mr. Anon

    The CCP treats the Chinese people not even as subjects like medieval kings did, but more like Human cattle. It's absolutely horrfying. It's what you get when you combine a totalitarian regime with a people that, culturally, are already predisposed towards subservience. RFecently, a bunch of Chinese people died in a buildiung on fire because of the COVID lockdown.

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who's lifelihood is money extortion. They "sell" you services that don't want to buy, and they take your moeny whether you want the service or not

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force, courts and a military. But even these services are often not of very high quality, and we pay a very, very steep price for government protection.

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money. If you refuse to pay them, they take away your freedom. Think about the appalling nature of such statement: you pay to be free. We are basically slave-taxes, slave-taxed in exchange for our freedom.

    This is why the only two good forms of government there are direct democracy, where you vote for literally everything, and you have the power to remove any government official at any time, *or* a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the "checks and balances" system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    But good luck getting this in America. Neither Biden or Trump are exactly Marcus Aurelius.

    Replies: @Renard, @Rob, @Peter Lund, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Muggles, @Mr. Anon

    You vastly overestimate the goodness of the Five Good Emperors. One of them wrote a beautiful book of notes to himself, though. Maybe that book was worth all the bloodshed? Maybe we should forgive the pick of Commodus just because that book is so good? Maybe we should accept the first four just because the last one actually was a philosopher king and was really good at Greek?

  89. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    WTF? I'm saying these ones are great for interpretation vs. the line graphs. I don't expect we're voting out way out of anything, especially between these two color-coded squads of the UniParty.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Reg Cæsar

    My apologies. You are correct.

  90. @bomag
    I'm sure more Democrats could afford to have kids.

    There's something here involving self-loathing, and loathing of the world around them. There's the trope of progs not wanting to bring children into such a terrible world, with one implication that they are going to go out and fix the world so they can have kids.

    The other implication is they want to cancel the world.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Not self loathing — self indulgence. Kids require self sacrifice. Democrat philosophy puts the self above all else, including children. That’s why it holds abortion sacrosanct.

    • Replies: @CalCooledge
    @Bill P

    Unlimited personal autonomy is the actual national religion. Hence the worship of the Rainbow, abortion, lawlessness, etc. United Stated of Antinomianism.

    Replies: @Bill P

  91. @Brutusale
    @BosTex

    My observations tell me that even those liberals having kids married and reproduced later than their conservative counterparts, with the attendant increase in kids on the spectrum.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Guest007, @mc23

    Thanks Brutusale-

    Could be true. I am never one to make that argument. My wife was almost 40 and I was almost 50 when our daughter was born.

    Despite being related to me: my daughter appears to be entirely normal and quite beautiful in both appearance and personality. I look like a Neanderthal. My wife checked out the appearance of the women in my family tree to make sure a girl would have a decent shot to be pretty.

    I will have to say that having children pretty late is dangerous for the mother. My wife had all sorts of health issues, post partum and the Ob suggested would be dangerous for her to have more. I think we started out with the intention of having 2-3.

    Have many kids fairly early is a very good life strategy.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @BosTex

    The best age to have kids is 25-35.

    18-24 year old women have the most physically safe pregnancies and births but they have sky high rates of child neglect and abuse. Kids of young mothers tend to do poorly in school and career when they grow up.

    After age 35 you get a lot of mentally disabled kids due to old mothers and old ovaries. It's also more dangerous to give birth at/above this age.

    I believe a Stanford study found the best age to have a kid is 32 if your primary goal is to max out your kid's future education and income.

    Replies: @Alden

  92. @Rob
    @Zero Philosopher


    a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the “checks and balances” system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.
     
    Um, is there like a committee that chooses the philosopher king? Why would this superior, uncorruptable guy fight tooth and claw against all the heartless, Machiavellian guys with corruption and wealth as huge motivators? All the while all he has is the knowledge that, should he succeed and climb the greasy pole, he will have to govern just like a Machiavellian, weighing different interests, always looking at what keeps him in power, so there’s not much difference than having a heartless bastard running the show.

    History shows that heartless bastards are more common than potential philosopher kings. The fondness dissidents have for dictatorship is really disturbing. “Screw the PMC, yo. We need Putin!”

    Replies: @SFG

    I always found it amusing how many alt right and neoreactionary types think their Caesar will do what they want. He is far more likely, if history is any guide, to sell them out to the upper or upper middle classes who own assets and administer the empire respectively, which means you are going to get wokeness covering up capitalist exploitation of the old school…kind of like now, except the king won’t have to make enough concessions to the plebs to get re-elected.

    They want Hitler, but a Hitler running the current USA would not be able to use racial purity as a binding agent; being interested in power above all else, he’d probably come up with some variant of the current ideology that kept him in power.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @SFG

    If non-whites won’t vote Republican, then voting is just a racial headcount and society needs to discuss what comes after democracy. The last election was a red wave for white people. I realize disapproval numbers need to come with a left/right distinction. If 70% of people disapprove of Trump, it could be 50% democrats and 50% disappointed populists. One could be very unhappy with Biden and vote entirely blue, so maybe that’s what happened.

    I’m not saying this is the fault of non-whites. The R’s use racism as their glue in the South. That colors the party in the whole country’s eyes. But, Republicans have been doing half-assed outreach for a while. I don’t think they’re serious about it, though. I think they do it to persuade suburban swing voters that the R’s are not racist.

    The MAGA agenda could appeal to everyone. “Look to your left. Look to your right. Those are your fellow citizens. You, your children, them, and their children are the only Americans there will ever be. Our human capital is a resource. We won’t strip mine talent from around the world. Your fellow citizens need jobs. For a lot of people, that means factories. Perhaps the tight labor market (no immigration and “abundance agenda”) means wages rise to the point that factories cannot survive here. That’s good if the former workers are in higher-paying jobs. It’s a terrible thing if the former workers are cast into the outer darkness.”

    Seriously, the pre-COVID Trump economy convinced a lot of (relatively) black and Hispanic men to vote for him. Why not? Non-whites benefit from a tight labor market. Depending on the mix of immigrants not admitted, lower-wage people and the formerly unemployable all benefit.

    Maybe conservatives are putting the cart before the horse with the pro-man class. The first thing they have to do: persuade the establishment that they are human beings with legitimate political interests and are not solely motivated by the ids of the better educated. As is, the PMC tells itself that all its utopian schemes have been smashed on the evil rock of working-class white racism. But really, the pro-man class is quite effective in isolating themselves from the types of diversity they throw at the working class. Plus, the pro-man class projects their own racism onto the proles.

    I can see why deplorables are down on democracy. We voted for Candidate Trump, but we got President Trump. He did do some things, but he didn’t put populism first. He did not start to build s movement. With the entirety of the government against him, what could he do? Remember “two weeks to crush the curve,” or whatever the phrase was? Bureaucrats thought it’d take a month of quarantine, but they thought that Trump wouldn’t go for it, so they cut it to two weeks. WTF! The CDC(?) did not even present a realistic plan to the President! That’s serious malpractice. How many other Democrats in government #Resisted Trump like that?

    The defective covid tests the government made early in covid, were they intentionally unsuitable? Did some flunky decide that the worse covid was the more likely Trump was to lose the election? So, spike the kits with some SARS-CoV-2 cDNA. I’m not saying that happened, but I don’t think people can react to losing an election as progs did in 2016 and then claim that they would never do anything unprofessional in response.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @AnotherDad
    @SFG

    Rob


    History shows that heartless bastards are more common than potential philosopher kings. The fondness dissidents have for dictatorship is really disturbing. “Screw the PMC, yo. We need Putin!”
     
    SFG

    I always found it amusing how many alt right and neoreactionary types think their Caesar will do what they want. He is far more likely, if history is any guide, to sell them out ...
     
    Agree and agree. We don't need our Caesar.

    No one is going to do your job for you. If you want civilization there is simply no alternative to a republic--to free, productive responsible men looking after their own, their posterity's interests.

    America has been hijacked by disloyal parasitic elite pushing minoritarianism, anti-nationalism, immigrationism; looting the joint and destroying the nation and our children's future. We must kick them out and take the nation back--or live as their serfs. There is no magic bullet. No shortcut, no alternative.
  93. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    WTF? I'm saying these ones are great for interpretation vs. the line graphs. I don't expect we're voting out way out of anything, especially between these two color-coded squads of the UniParty.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Reg Cæsar

    “Silly” is most likely an SPLC, ADL, or FBI troll sent here to demoralize us. He mocks Steve, but offers nothing in return. What’s that about, if not trolling?

    As with the earlier “Sailer strategy”, DeSantis in 2022 and Trump in 2016 won with campaigns which come awfully close to Steve’s “citizenism”. It may be more effective in close elections than we give it credit for, and the other side is scared.

    Again, it’s not a philosophy, it’s a strategy, indeed, a tactic. Use it where it’s effective, drop it where it is not.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well, it's like this, Reg: I agree with CoaSC that we will not be voting our way out of our problems. It's far beyond that. That said, I think iSteve and others have strategies that may help win elections. I'd be ecstatic if Ron DeSantis were to become President, but that's just because I like to see the lamentations of the ctrl-left and it's always good to have more time to prep.

    Yes, as I wrote on my blog, we voted - the wife and I. Why? I don't even know, just for a nice walk I guess. (I was also curious how the process was going to be done this time.) Hell, it's all gerrymandered up anyway. On one side of the line this guy will win, and on the other side this other guy will. Yeah, I know about primaries, but who else does, 10% of Americans?

    As for solutions, other than some from commenters here, no, that's not iSteve's job. The solutions he does have all assume the the Commie left in this country is acting like this is, well, you have to go back a LONG ways, Reg. Just saying and demonstrating, with data too!, that this policy will help these people and these other people means ABSOLUTELY SQUAT to the Potomac Regime. They may understand your points very well. Why would they want to listen? They have the power they've been gathering for a century now.

    Some of these solutions, BTW, such as letting only black people sell pot, and this support of AA, demonstrate that Steve Sailer is a man of thoughtful analysis and practical ideas, but not of principles. That won't work in the long run. These people need to be told NO backed with force. For that, the Institutions that they control must be destroyed.

    The idea here is to help people understand the root of the problems and how we got here. That's for later on when someone has to build back, probably nearly from scratch.

    It's not like we've got somewhere better to go. 15 years ago, I'd have said China, but that place is fucked beyond belief now.

    .

    PS: Though we plan on stickin it out, I'm still gonna check out Uruguay sometime. I just talked to a dude who sometimes flies the run from Miami to Montevideo with a B787.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Reg Cæsar

    Right, I'm a Jewish troll. Makes perfect sense.

    That's why I promote the extension of identity politics to whites (or whatever white subgroups), i.e., whites should do like every other group which is think of themselves as a people and organize to promote and protect that group.

    I mean, it's not as though this is what terrifies influencial Jews the most.

    However, I will say that, unfortunately, whites have dug themselves into such a hole that we can't join the identity politics game too aggressively so we should start small and local - above all, quietly. But we can push whites to start thinking of themselves as a people.

    Identity politics is the future, just as it was the past.

    As to demoralizing backers of Citizenism, I'd think that 50 years of relentless failure would do that job just fine.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  94. @Precise Puncher
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Not to worry – they’ll make it up at the southern border. 2,000,000 ready-made Democrats per year beats all the new GOP-diaper babies, and definitely the margin. (I hate to be the Achmed Downer here.)
     
    Well, you're the Achmed Downer, but only because you have down syndrome.

    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA. The annual number of naturalizations is consistently less than one million, and always closer to 500,000 than 800,000. Your 2 million figure would have to include legalized permies, H1bs, etc. None of whom will vote.

    There were 3.6 billion births in the USA, and roughly half of them were white. If just more than half of those 1.6 milllion white births are to Republicans, then Republicans are growing more than immigrants.

    Not that voting Republican matters -- the most consistently red state in the Union, Texas, has dropped below 40% and its Republican government oversaw the majority of that Southern border hopping you're babbling about. Republicans are a fifth column of the Russian and the Chinaman, and they want to scare tools like you in to voting for them so they can continue to rob you blind while doing absolutely nothing to deliver what they promised you. The sickest public humiliation ever perpetrated was against the fool who thought that the small government, big business party was going to deport an entire race of workers at his voting behest.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    Only naturalized citizens can vote in the USA. The annual number of naturalizations is consistently less than one million, and always closer to 500,000 than 800,000. Your 2 million figure would have to include legalized permies, H1bs, etc. None of whom will vote.

    Believe it or not, unnaturalized, even illegal, immigrants have babies.

    There were 3.6 billion births in the USA, and roughly half of them were white. If just more than half of those 1.6 milllion white births are to Republicans, then Republicans are growing more than immigrants.

    LOL. The mind reels.

  95. @Woodpecker
    Presumably those differentials must be even more extreme for white Republicans versus white Democrats.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Presumably those differentials must be even more extreme for white Republicans versus white Democrats.

    Undoubtedly as the Republicans are basically the white party, and Hispanic and black fertility is higher than white–although Asians are lower, they’re smaller.

    Race specific data would be the more interesting bit here.

    Some of this is further fall-off/delay in white fellow-traveler fertility. But I’d bet a good portion of Democrat slump, is due to the steep drop in Hispanic fertility, and smaller drop in black fertility.

    2010 would still capture quite a number (older teenagers) from the “Amnesty boom”, plus a good number of Housing bubble babies. But since the housing bubble pop Hispanic fertility has plummeted down toward replacement, and black fertility has slumped from replacement down to close to the white rate.

    Anyone doing social science and certainly politics in the US, really ought to pull out race/ethnic data. Without it you end up confusing rather than clarifying what the heck is going on.

  96. @That Would Be Telling
    @Veteran Aryan

    Indeed. Ignoring the idiocy of believing in any public poll today, especially one so political as to have a nosy stranger on the phone ask party affiliation, ultimately the world belongs to those who show up.

    Which is why the Left is using so many non-internally reproductive methods to bolster their numbers, from molesting children, to gatekeeping jobs and careers that need college degrees (the effect of that is relaxing as demographics and our version of laying flat wrecks the labor pool), to electing a new people through mass immigration and keeping blacks on the plantation.

    There are a number of counters to each of these problems, and we're already seeing a growing backlash against the Left's overt grooming of children in public schools; going after people's children is dangerous.

    Replies: @Guest007

    The pollster already know if one voted and which primary one voted in. thus, if one voted in a Republican Primary but says that one is a Democrat, the pollster knows to not count the results.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Guest007


    The pollster already know if one voted and which primary one voted in.
     
    This ignores the people who don't respond to the pollsters at all.

    Also not sure how many polling organizations would bother since 21 states have open primaries including second most populous Texas and 5 have jungle or thereabouts primaries, including the most populous California.
  97. @Brutusale
    @BosTex

    My observations tell me that even those liberals having kids married and reproduced later than their conservative counterparts, with the attendant increase in kids on the spectrum.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Guest007, @mc23

    But children born to people who married younger are more likely to end up in a broken home and not really have two parents. That could also lead to anti-social and other mental health issues.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Guest007


    But children born to people who married younger are more likely to end up in a broken home and not really have two parents.
     
    Maturity of parents trumps chronological age.
  98. @Maxx
    @BosTex

    Well, there is (mass) immigration

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    I live in Fort Bend County, Texas. Home of Tom DeLay and Ron Paul.

    Ronald Reagan won here in 1980 with 66% of the vote, GWB won in 2000 with 60%.

    In 1980 the county was 80% white, 16% black, and 3% other.

    In 2020, Trump only got 44% and in 2022 Greg Abbott only got 46%.

    … and Whites are now only about 53% of the population. We’ve had a massive influx of Asians in addition to more Mexicans.

    There is a reason democrats like immigration… and unfortunately for us here the immigrants tend to vote for blacks, because that’s who the democrats are.

    The ethnics are now in control and we are seeing spiking crime rates, spiking property taxes, and an emergence of the same sort of corruption one sees anywhere that blacks have taken political power. But it’s still better than India or China (or Mexico), so they’ll always vote against the “racists”.

    California here we come.

  99. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Silly" is most likely an SPLC, ADL, or FBI troll sent here to demoralize us. He mocks Steve, but offers nothing in return. What's that about, if not trolling?

    As with the earlier "Sailer strategy", DeSantis in 2022 and Trump in 2016 won with campaigns which come awfully close to Steve's "citizenism". It may be more effective in close elections than we give it credit for, and the other side is scared.

    Again, it's not a philosophy, it's a strategy, indeed, a tactic. Use it where it's effective, drop it where it is not.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Well, it’s like this, Reg: I agree with CoaSC that we will not be voting our way out of our problems. It’s far beyond that. That said, I think iSteve and others have strategies that may help win elections. I’d be ecstatic if Ron DeSantis were to become President, but that’s just because I like to see the lamentations of the ctrl-left and it’s always good to have more time to prep.

    Yes, as I wrote on my blog, we voted – the wife and I. Why? I don’t even know, just for a nice walk I guess. (I was also curious how the process was going to be done this time.) Hell, it’s all gerrymandered up anyway. On one side of the line this guy will win, and on the other side this other guy will. Yeah, I know about primaries, but who else does, 10% of Americans?

    As for solutions, other than some from commenters here, no, that’s not iSteve’s job. The solutions he does have all assume the the Commie left in this country is acting like this is, well, you have to go back a LONG ways, Reg. Just saying and demonstrating, with data too!, that this policy will help these people and these other people means ABSOLUTELY SQUAT to the Potomac Regime. They may understand your points very well. Why would they want to listen? They have the power they’ve been gathering for a century now.

    Some of these solutions, BTW, such as letting only black people sell pot, and this support of AA, demonstrate that Steve Sailer is a man of thoughtful analysis and practical ideas, but not of principles. That won’t work in the long run. These people need to be told NO backed with force. For that, the Institutions that they control must be destroyed.

    The idea here is to help people understand the root of the problems and how we got here. That’s for later on when someone has to build back, probably nearly from scratch.

    It’s not like we’ve got somewhere better to go. 15 years ago, I’d have said China, but that place is fucked beyond belief now.

    .

    PS: Though we plan on stickin it out, I’m still gonna check out Uruguay sometime. I just talked to a dude who sometimes flies the run from Miami to Montevideo with a B787.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    PS: Though we plan on stickin it out, I’m still gonna check out Uruguay sometime. I just talked to a dude who sometimes flies the run from Miami to Montevideo with a B787.
     
    Uruguay has small Lusophone minority, along an open border with Brazil. That's where I'd be tempted to hang out.

    And when I say "open", I mean open. The center line at Avenida Paul Harris is the border, making this an international incident.

  100. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Silly" is most likely an SPLC, ADL, or FBI troll sent here to demoralize us. He mocks Steve, but offers nothing in return. What's that about, if not trolling?

    As with the earlier "Sailer strategy", DeSantis in 2022 and Trump in 2016 won with campaigns which come awfully close to Steve's "citizenism". It may be more effective in close elections than we give it credit for, and the other side is scared.

    Again, it's not a philosophy, it's a strategy, indeed, a tactic. Use it where it's effective, drop it where it is not.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Right, I’m a Jewish troll. Makes perfect sense.

    That’s why I promote the extension of identity politics to whites (or whatever white subgroups), i.e., whites should do like every other group which is think of themselves as a people and organize to promote and protect that group.

    I mean, it’s not as though this is what terrifies influencial Jews the most.

    However, I will say that, unfortunately, whites have dug themselves into such a hole that we can’t join the identity politics game too aggressively so we should start small and local – above all, quietly. But we can push whites to start thinking of themselves as a people.

    Identity politics is the future, just as it was the past.

    As to demoralizing backers of Citizenism, I’d think that 50 years of relentless failure would do that job just fine.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Tell us how you're going to enact A) strict regulation of firearms for minorities alongside a permissive policy for whites and B) strict regulation of abortion among whites alongside a permissive policy for minorities? As you claim, the same laws for everyone is illegitimate. That's "citizenism", and it has failed. Just like ex-Gov DeSantis.

    Steve starts with concentric circles beginning with one's own family. That's really the only basis for reform and regeneration. Stay home and breed. Identity will follow in time. At least Another Dad has a plan.

    Right now the only "identity" "uniting" "whites" is waving rainbow flags in the faces of Gulf Arabs. Is that a hill you want to die on?

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13DCF/production/_125295318_tracy2.jpg.webp


    https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/GettyImages-1445277950-1.jpeg?w=1581&h=1054&crop=1

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  101. @Pixo
    @Hypnotoad666

    “ Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.”

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest. Election trutherism is cope that Trump used to grift about $200 million in donations, among many smaller time grifters.

    Good for iSteve for avoiding this stupidity.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @bomag

    I am curious, and our elections are basically honest.

    A cope of your own.

    Like Caesars wife, we need elections that appear pure; and over time we should get better at such things.

    Instead, they get shabbier by the efforts of a party that suspiciously benefits.

    • Agree: mc23
  102. @BosTex
    @anonymous

    Thanks for the response. I kind of agree…maybe.

    I tend to be an optimist. To some degree, I think the country is actually getting Whiter. Many Hispanics tend to be White/whitish and a lot of them have married Whites….almost all the kids involved are White.

    I live in Texas and many colleagues are a mix of White and Hispanic. Most of them are pretty White to me.

    Furthermore from a values and cultural perspective, many Hispanics are very White in attitude. Vast majority are Christians, many tend to be on the more conservative side and they don’t seem to be held back by a loser type mentality like AAs.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous

    Could be in 40 years people will talk about being 1/4 Mexican the way they talk about being 1/4 Irish now.

    You really have to at least kill disparate impact, though, as others here have said. Otherwise it remains actually beneficial to refuse to assimilate.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SFG


    You really have to at least kill disparate impact, though, as others here have said.
     
    You can't kill reality. Everything has disparate impact. This is the key. It is their backhanded admission that race is real.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @BosTex
    @SFG

    Thanks SFG:

    I think that is the way it happens now with a lot of people of partly Hispanic or Asian ancestry.

    When I was in Boston, my boss observed that we were a “really white” sales team (I think he was getting pressure to add “diversity”).

    One of my colleagues chimed in “you can count me as Asian, my one of my grandmothers is X Asian nationality.”

    Everyone was:”no way, you are part Asian?”

    Honestly, I would never have guessed he was a 1/4 Asian.

    The guy did not look at all Asian. He looked like a young Dick Tracy.

    We do need to knock it off with the Affimative Action. Asians, Hispanics all came here voluntarily. Nobody made them come.

  103. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well, it's like this, Reg: I agree with CoaSC that we will not be voting our way out of our problems. It's far beyond that. That said, I think iSteve and others have strategies that may help win elections. I'd be ecstatic if Ron DeSantis were to become President, but that's just because I like to see the lamentations of the ctrl-left and it's always good to have more time to prep.

    Yes, as I wrote on my blog, we voted - the wife and I. Why? I don't even know, just for a nice walk I guess. (I was also curious how the process was going to be done this time.) Hell, it's all gerrymandered up anyway. On one side of the line this guy will win, and on the other side this other guy will. Yeah, I know about primaries, but who else does, 10% of Americans?

    As for solutions, other than some from commenters here, no, that's not iSteve's job. The solutions he does have all assume the the Commie left in this country is acting like this is, well, you have to go back a LONG ways, Reg. Just saying and demonstrating, with data too!, that this policy will help these people and these other people means ABSOLUTELY SQUAT to the Potomac Regime. They may understand your points very well. Why would they want to listen? They have the power they've been gathering for a century now.

    Some of these solutions, BTW, such as letting only black people sell pot, and this support of AA, demonstrate that Steve Sailer is a man of thoughtful analysis and practical ideas, but not of principles. That won't work in the long run. These people need to be told NO backed with force. For that, the Institutions that they control must be destroyed.

    The idea here is to help people understand the root of the problems and how we got here. That's for later on when someone has to build back, probably nearly from scratch.

    It's not like we've got somewhere better to go. 15 years ago, I'd have said China, but that place is fucked beyond belief now.

    .

    PS: Though we plan on stickin it out, I'm still gonna check out Uruguay sometime. I just talked to a dude who sometimes flies the run from Miami to Montevideo with a B787.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    PS: Though we plan on stickin it out, I’m still gonna check out Uruguay sometime. I just talked to a dude who sometimes flies the run from Miami to Montevideo with a B787.

    Uruguay has small Lusophone minority, along an open border with Brazil. That’s where I’d be tempted to hang out.

    And when I say “open”, I mean open. The center line at Avenida Paul Harris is the border, making this an international incident.

  104. @SFG
    @Rob

    I always found it amusing how many alt right and neoreactionary types think their Caesar will do what they want. He is far more likely, if history is any guide, to sell them out to the upper or upper middle classes who own assets and administer the empire respectively, which means you are going to get wokeness covering up capitalist exploitation of the old school…kind of like now, except the king won’t have to make enough concessions to the plebs to get re-elected.

    They want Hitler, but a Hitler running the current USA would not be able to use racial purity as a binding agent; being interested in power above all else, he’d probably come up with some variant of the current ideology that kept him in power.

    Replies: @Rob, @AnotherDad

    If non-whites won’t vote Republican, then voting is just a racial headcount and society needs to discuss what comes after democracy. The last election was a red wave for white people. I realize disapproval numbers need to come with a left/right distinction. If 70% of people disapprove of Trump, it could be 50% democrats and 50% disappointed populists. One could be very unhappy with Biden and vote entirely blue, so maybe that’s what happened.

    I’m not saying this is the fault of non-whites. The R’s use racism as their glue in the South. That colors the party in the whole country’s eyes. But, Republicans have been doing half-assed outreach for a while. I don’t think they’re serious about it, though. I think they do it to persuade suburban swing voters that the R’s are not racist.

    The MAGA agenda could appeal to everyone. “Look to your left. Look to your right. Those are your fellow citizens. You, your children, them, and their children are the only Americans there will ever be. Our human capital is a resource. We won’t strip mine talent from around the world. Your fellow citizens need jobs. For a lot of people, that means factories. Perhaps the tight labor market (no immigration and “abundance agenda”) means wages rise to the point that factories cannot survive here. That’s good if the former workers are in higher-paying jobs. It’s a terrible thing if the former workers are cast into the outer darkness.”

    Seriously, the pre-COVID Trump economy convinced a lot of (relatively) black and Hispanic men to vote for him. Why not? Non-whites benefit from a tight labor market. Depending on the mix of immigrants not admitted, lower-wage people and the formerly unemployable all benefit.

    [MORE]

    Maybe conservatives are putting the cart before the horse with the pro-man class. The first thing they have to do: persuade the establishment that they are human beings with legitimate political interests and are not solely motivated by the ids of the better educated. As is, the PMC tells itself that all its utopian schemes have been smashed on the evil rock of working-class white racism. But really, the pro-man class is quite effective in isolating themselves from the types of diversity they throw at the working class. Plus, the pro-man class projects their own racism onto the proles.

    I can see why deplorables are down on democracy. We voted for Candidate Trump, but we got President Trump. He did do some things, but he didn’t put populism first. He did not start to build s movement. With the entirety of the government against him, what could he do? Remember “two weeks to crush the curve,” or whatever the phrase was? Bureaucrats thought it’d take a month of quarantine, but they thought that Trump wouldn’t go for it, so they cut it to two weeks. WTF! The CDC(?) did not even present a realistic plan to the President! That’s serious malpractice. How many other Democrats in government #Resisted Trump like that?

    The defective covid tests the government made early in covid, were they intentionally unsuitable? Did some flunky decide that the worse covid was the more likely Trump was to lose the election? So, spike the kits with some SARS-CoV-2 cDNA. I’m not saying that happened, but I don’t think people can react to losing an election as progs did in 2016 and then claim that they would never do anything unprofessional in response.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Rob


    The defective covid tests the government made early in covid, were they intentionally unsuitable? Did some flunky decide that the worse covid was the more likely Trump was to lose the election? So, spike the kits with some SARS-CoV-2 cDNA.
     
    This is the CDC, blatantly defective manufacturing as an FDA troubleshooter immediately observed after first being denied access when he showed up ... who can say? We do know the CDC's test was extremely sensitive to the conditions under which it was run, most places that got uncontaminated kits still couldn't make them work (they've got a positive control as well as the negative control which signaled contamination).

    The real crime was the FDA putting roadblocks in front of everyone else trying to make tests until the very last day of February. Nowhere more clear than in their requirement to distinguish between SARS, which died out, MERS the camel coronavirus of which there's been two cases in the US, and COVID. That added massively to the demand for scarce BSL-3 lab space and time, when come to think of it that was also needed for other COVID tasks.

    Thus with the CDC's prohibition on testing for community transmission only 4,000 total tests were done in the US prior to March, and we didn't start to get ramped up until a while into the month by which time COVID was rampaging.

    Trump deserves additional blame you haven't enumerated, like rubbing our face in his pathological narcissism with every press conference, the vast majority of which weren't needed, or him vs. the media only trying to take him down. That showed how much the latter, the Left in general cared about us vs. ... well as the '60s slogan put it, the issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution. Why our public health trash did a 180 on Antifa and BLM.

    And he initially took the Floomer tack, which may have also played some role in the options he was presented. But I have no idea which idiot came up with "bend the curve for [small number of weeks]." How many weeks were unknowable until it was measured in years.

    Exactly when was that publicly announced?? Because at some fairly early point it was clear classic Wuhan was good but not great at transmission, meaning a marathon unless and until enough people could get enough immunity, natural and/or vaccine. Then in 2021 successively more transmissible and lethal Alpha and Delta broke out where we first found them in late 2020 and swept the world. Even more transmissible, still nasty but less so Omicron caused a wave where demand on some hospitals to reached or exceeded their capabilities. My local ones in deep Red state flyover country reached that state once (during Delta) and we needlessly lost people.

    See also systems getting crushed by this season's children's respiratory virus onslaught, perhaps in part bunching up because lots of young kids didn't get RSV etc. when they'd normally get it during the era of lockdowns, "social distancing," better hygiene etc. We in the US have OTC and prescription medicine shortages, and Canada is in an all around crisis of that and capacity. Whatever the cause, you've got to keep the curve bent to not exceed your capacity, and governments that don't want to needlessly lose people need to keep reserves in these systems that they own or control.

    Replies: @Rob

  105. @SFG
    @BosTex

    Could be in 40 years people will talk about being 1/4 Mexican the way they talk about being 1/4 Irish now.

    You really have to at least kill disparate impact, though, as others here have said. Otherwise it remains actually beneficial to refuse to assimilate.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @BosTex

    You really have to at least kill disparate impact, though, as others here have said.

    You can’t kill reality. Everything has disparate impact. This is the key. It is their backhanded admission that race is real.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Reg Cæsar

    Oh come on, you know he meant, "kill the use of disparate impact." Nevertheless, your point is well taken.

    Replies: @SFG

  106. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hormeine Glandger


    ...their unpopular, alienating, and ultimately dysgenic anti-abortion crusade.
     
    Charles Schumer supports legal abortion. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    I'm with Patton. No one ever won a race war by giving his daughter choice. You give the other dumb bastard's daughter choice.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hormeine Glandger

    Charles Schumer supports legal abortion. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    Osama Bin Laden opposed communism. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    I’m with Patton. No one ever won a race war by giving his daughter choice. You give the other dumb bastard’s daughter choice.

    My daughter isn’t gonna get an abortion because she isn’t a slut and doesn’t have an IQ of 75. As for the race issue, it’s been pointed out to you before that blacks get abortions at a rate that is far higher than whites. That’s a fact. I know you FEEL like banning abortion will nevertheless favor whites, but the facts don’t care about your feelings.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hormeine Glandger


    Osama Bin Laden opposed communism. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?
     
    Osama didn't oppose Communism in order to destroy us. (That's what Islam is for.)

    Charles Schumer supports legal elective abortion precisely in order to destroy us. He knows exactly what he's doing.


    As for the race issue, it’s been pointed out to you before that blacks get abortions at a rate that is far higher than whites.
     
    They also get pregnant and give birth at a higher rate. This has only gotten worse since 1973. Backup abortion encourages sluttery. Which is why Hugh Hefner was among the first to promote it. He and Ayn Rand.

    ...the facts don’t care about your feelings.
     
    The history books don't care about yours. We were a demographically healthier country before 1973. Forty-nine states with a white majority outlawed elective abortion until 1967. The legislature of one of the two or three states that legalized it since later passed a bill repealing it.

    Elective abortion is the enemy of white natalism. Which is our only hope for a future.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

  107. @SFG
    @Rob

    I always found it amusing how many alt right and neoreactionary types think their Caesar will do what they want. He is far more likely, if history is any guide, to sell them out to the upper or upper middle classes who own assets and administer the empire respectively, which means you are going to get wokeness covering up capitalist exploitation of the old school…kind of like now, except the king won’t have to make enough concessions to the plebs to get re-elected.

    They want Hitler, but a Hitler running the current USA would not be able to use racial purity as a binding agent; being interested in power above all else, he’d probably come up with some variant of the current ideology that kept him in power.

    Replies: @Rob, @AnotherDad

    Rob

    History shows that heartless bastards are more common than potential philosopher kings. The fondness dissidents have for dictatorship is really disturbing. “Screw the PMC, yo. We need Putin!”

    SFG

    I always found it amusing how many alt right and neoreactionary types think their Caesar will do what they want. He is far more likely, if history is any guide, to sell them out …

    Agree and agree. We don’t need our Caesar.

    No one is going to do your job for you. If you want civilization there is simply no alternative to a republic–to free, productive responsible men looking after their own, their posterity’s interests.

    America has been hijacked by disloyal parasitic elite pushing minoritarianism, anti-nationalism, immigrationism; looting the joint and destroying the nation and our children’s future. We must kick them out and take the nation back–or live as their serfs. There is no magic bullet. No shortcut, no alternative.

  108. @Zero Philosopher
    @Mr. Anon

    The CCP treats the Chinese people not even as subjects like medieval kings did, but more like Human cattle. It's absolutely horrfying. It's what you get when you combine a totalitarian regime with a people that, culturally, are already predisposed towards subservience. RFecently, a bunch of Chinese people died in a buildiung on fire because of the COVID lockdown.

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who's lifelihood is money extortion. They "sell" you services that don't want to buy, and they take your moeny whether you want the service or not

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force, courts and a military. But even these services are often not of very high quality, and we pay a very, very steep price for government protection.

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money. If you refuse to pay them, they take away your freedom. Think about the appalling nature of such statement: you pay to be free. We are basically slave-taxes, slave-taxed in exchange for our freedom.

    This is why the only two good forms of government there are direct democracy, where you vote for literally everything, and you have the power to remove any government official at any time, *or* a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the "checks and balances" system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    But good luck getting this in America. Neither Biden or Trump are exactly Marcus Aurelius.

    Replies: @Renard, @Rob, @Peter Lund, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Muggles, @Mr. Anon

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force…[b]ut even these services are often not of very high quality…

    “Not of very high quality”? You mean, “non-existent”?

    I would love to see the Italian mafia make a comeback in this country. The difference between capos and cops is that when a community pays capos for protection, it gets protection.

  109. @Twinkie
    This is good, but less meaningful without data on the respective “defection” rates of the offspring.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    This is good, but less meaningful without data on the respective “defection” rates of the offspring.

    Conservatives need to stop being pansies on educational choice just because a lot of normies like their public schools and think teachers are “good people”.

    The Parasite Party owning education and running it as both their part of their patronage system and the bedrock of their ideological indoctrination needs to be stopped or the nation is hosed.

  110. @Zero Philosopher
    @Mr. Anon

    The CCP treats the Chinese people not even as subjects like medieval kings did, but more like Human cattle. It's absolutely horrfying. It's what you get when you combine a totalitarian regime with a people that, culturally, are already predisposed towards subservience. RFecently, a bunch of Chinese people died in a buildiung on fire because of the COVID lockdown.

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who's lifelihood is money extortion. They "sell" you services that don't want to buy, and they take your moeny whether you want the service or not

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force, courts and a military. But even these services are often not of very high quality, and we pay a very, very steep price for government protection.

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money. If you refuse to pay them, they take away your freedom. Think about the appalling nature of such statement: you pay to be free. We are basically slave-taxes, slave-taxed in exchange for our freedom.

    This is why the only two good forms of government there are direct democracy, where you vote for literally everything, and you have the power to remove any government official at any time, *or* a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the "checks and balances" system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    But good luck getting this in America. Neither Biden or Trump are exactly Marcus Aurelius.

    Replies: @Renard, @Rob, @Peter Lund, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Muggles, @Mr. Anon

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money.

    It is interesting to see how much post Soviet Russians describe their government (at all levels) as exactly that. Without exception.

    The the recent book The Amur River: Between Russia and China (2021) by the excellent British travel writer Colin Thubron describes this term used as he travels on the Russian side in Siberia. Every local says this exact same thing about their local or national government.

    He is an 80 YO white haired guy now who speaks Russian and some Mandarin. He travels alone and stays with locals he finds to give him rides or places to stay overnight.

    Great writer. People everywhere know mafia when they experience it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    It is interesting to see how much post Soviet Russians describe their government (at all levels) as exactly that. Without exception...



    People everywhere know mafia when they experience it.
     
    This North Korean exile experienced déjà-vu-- at Columbia University's orientation.




    https://youtu.be/nQoCu0hJ3Ds



    Note that she didn't escape for "freedom", a concept absent from her upbringing. She left simply to eat.

    Replies: @Anon

  111. If we beat Iran in the next few minutes, will that squad be eliminated in another way?

    Opinion at home is divided over whether they represent the people or the régime.

  112. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anon

    The West/Trump/Irving/Musk saga hits almost every iSteve button - race, politics, entertainment, sports, etc.

    Steve refusing to write about it is not an accident or because he doesn't find it interesting. It's because he's purposefully avoiding it.

    I'm simply pointing that out and calling him out.

    Replies: @Muggles

    I’m simply pointing that out and calling him out.

    And dear Citizen, where can we find your daily multiple subject columns online about these pressing subjects you seem so bothered about?

    No luck finding those yet…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles

    Note that his comments are entirely negative, with no contribution to the discussion. A red flag to a troll.


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bPsAAOSwZptiRYvR/s-l300.jpg


    No, he doesn't! Morris sent him.

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-i-told-you-what-we-were-doing-there-i-would-have-to-kill-you-morris-dees-120-55-56.jpg

  113. @Muggles
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    I’m simply pointing that out and calling him out.
     
    And dear Citizen, where can we find your daily multiple subject columns online about these pressing subjects you seem so bothered about?

    No luck finding those yet...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Note that his comments are entirely negative, with no contribution to the discussion. A red flag to a troll.

    No, he doesn’t! Morris sent him.

    [MORE]

  114. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Nature always wins - which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Also, let's start a "Steve wimping out" count.

    Days since Steve has refused to write about Kanye West and, shall we say, Jewish influence: Day 50.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Steve writes about traffic statistics.

    Seriously, Steve, just pick a side. If you think Jews running the show is best, just say so. I might disagree, but I'd respect your opinion. But refusing to even talk about it is just sad.

    That said, your readers don't seem to care, so why should you? Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn't it. Well, no one can say that you don't provide a service.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hormeine Glandger, @IHTG, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Anonymous

    Jack D would be apoplectic! Kanye? That’s the crazy guy,amirite?

  115. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @BosTex
    @anonymous

    Thanks for the response. I kind of agree…maybe.

    I tend to be an optimist. To some degree, I think the country is actually getting Whiter. Many Hispanics tend to be White/whitish and a lot of them have married Whites….almost all the kids involved are White.

    I live in Texas and many colleagues are a mix of White and Hispanic. Most of them are pretty White to me.

    Furthermore from a values and cultural perspective, many Hispanics are very White in attitude. Vast majority are Christians, many tend to be on the more conservative side and they don’t seem to be held back by a loser type mentality like AAs.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous

    They are white from a Latin American and Southern European perspective but not a Northern European or Anglosphere perspective.

    Latinos and Southern Euros think that a 70-85% white person is white.

    You have to be 100% white to be truly white in Northern Europe and the Anglosphere. Anything less makes you whichever race has the lowest status. This is true for non-white mixed race people too. If you’re half black and half Hispanic you’re black. If you’re half black and half Abo you’re Abo. Where it gets tricky is Pacific Islanders, Hispanics, and Middle Easterners, who all have roughly the same status.

  116. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @BosTex
    @Brutusale

    Thanks Brutusale-


    Could be true. I am never one to make that argument. My wife was almost 40 and I was almost 50 when our daughter was born.

    Despite being related to me: my daughter appears to be entirely normal and quite beautiful in both appearance and personality. I look like a Neanderthal. My wife checked out the appearance of the women in my family tree to make sure a girl would have a decent shot to be pretty.

    I will have to say that having children pretty late is dangerous for the mother. My wife had all sorts of health issues, post partum and the Ob suggested would be dangerous for her to have more. I think we started out with the intention of having 2-3.

    Have many kids fairly early is a very good life strategy.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The best age to have kids is 25-35.

    18-24 year old women have the most physically safe pregnancies and births but they have sky high rates of child neglect and abuse. Kids of young mothers tend to do poorly in school and career when they grow up.

    After age 35 you get a lot of mentally disabled kids due to old mothers and old ovaries. It’s also more dangerous to give birth at/above this age.

    I believe a Stanford study found the best age to have a kid is 32 if your primary goal is to max out your kid’s future education and income.

    • Thanks: BosTex, Poirot
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Not old ovaries, old eggs or ovum. The men of UNZ the men of UNZ endless gynecology comments and you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    There’s one couple had 4 kids 2 single and the youngest 2 twins when the wife was 23, 24 and 25. And husband a year younger than the wife.

    Millionaires by the time the husband was 31. First house husband 25 wife 26. 3,500 sq ft swimming pool.

    And that couple went from middle class to top 5 percent. A lot of luck and economic trends and a business that was successful because it rode the economic booms. Plus excellent excellent lobbyists for that business. Couple really can’t brag about hard work. Just the right occupation at the right time. An occupation with powerful incredible lobbyists.

    Get off the internet Meet some real people. All this “ don’t have kids when you’re young” nonsense is a holdover from 1950s jumped up proles. And the 1950s 60s population control hysteria

    Have babies late be working to support kids into your 65-75. Like one of our lawyers. Had his last kid about 45. Worked till his early 70s to pay for college.

  117. @Muggles
    @Zero Philosopher


    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money.
     
    It is interesting to see how much post Soviet Russians describe their government (at all levels) as exactly that. Without exception.

    The the recent book The Amur River: Between Russia and China (2021) by the excellent British travel writer Colin Thubron describes this term used as he travels on the Russian side in Siberia. Every local says this exact same thing about their local or national government.

    He is an 80 YO white haired guy now who speaks Russian and some Mandarin. He travels alone and stays with locals he finds to give him rides or places to stay overnight.

    Great writer. People everywhere know mafia when they experience it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It is interesting to see how much post Soviet Russians describe their government (at all levels) as exactly that. Without exception…

    People everywhere know mafia when they experience it.

    This North Korean exile experienced dĂ©jĂ -vu– at Columbia University’s orientation.

    Note that she didn’t escape for “freedom”, a concept absent from her upbringing. She left simply to eat.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    G9d damn she fine. We gotta get more Korean women

    Replies: @martin_2

  118. @SFG
    @BosTex

    Could be in 40 years people will talk about being 1/4 Mexican the way they talk about being 1/4 Irish now.

    You really have to at least kill disparate impact, though, as others here have said. Otherwise it remains actually beneficial to refuse to assimilate.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @BosTex

    Thanks SFG:

    I think that is the way it happens now with a lot of people of partly Hispanic or Asian ancestry.

    When I was in Boston, my boss observed that we were a “really white” sales team (I think he was getting pressure to add “diversity”).

    One of my colleagues chimed in “you can count me as Asian, my one of my grandmothers is X Asian nationality.”

    Everyone was:”no way, you are part Asian?”

    Honestly, I would never have guessed he was a 1/4 Asian.

    The guy did not look at all Asian. He looked like a young Dick Tracy.

    We do need to knock it off with the Affimative Action. Asians, Hispanics all came here voluntarily. Nobody made them come.

  119. Ideology IS heritable. I recall approximately 40% from the Minnesota Twins Study (identical [MZ] twins reared apart), the gold standard for heritability estimates. In theory – if current trends continue – this will mean an increasingly conservative White America drifting further apart from a left Brown-Black underclass. We’ll see how the Hispanics position themselves. Really one of the few bright spots in the Current Year as it increases the chances that Historic America can live on in a mountain-central Red state secessionist movement. Whites are never getting California et al back, so this is White America’s best chance at survival.

    You’re not going to save the world. Just have kids.

  120. @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    It is interesting to see how much post Soviet Russians describe their government (at all levels) as exactly that. Without exception...



    People everywhere know mafia when they experience it.
     
    This North Korean exile experienced déjà-vu-- at Columbia University's orientation.




    https://youtu.be/nQoCu0hJ3Ds



    Note that she didn't escape for "freedom", a concept absent from her upbringing. She left simply to eat.

    Replies: @Anon

    G9d damn she fine. We gotta get more Korean women

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @Anon

    Poverty stricken countries almost always have women that are as ugly as sin. North Korean women are pretty and it is such a shame to see them hungry and desperate, when they are otherwise so well favoured and could do so well in the dating market in the West.

  121. @Barnard
    A significant percentage of them are doing it intentionally thinking they are saving the planet. It is insanity.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anonymous

    At this rate, eventually they’ll render themselves extinct. Works for me.

  122. @anon
    Yep, birth rates have consequences.

    Affluent educated liberals have 1-2 children. Affluent conservatives have 2-4. In recent years, with the implosion of birth rates in blue states, this has only sped up.

    This also explains why the regime is so eager for immigration. Otherwise, in 20 years, they simply don't have the numbers, if things hit the fan. Adios, mid-century consensus. Most blue cities in blue states will end up as 21st-century, ethnic rust wastelands -- similar to Portland, Philadelphia, etc.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon

    “Affluent educated liberals have 1-2 children. Affluent conservatives have 2-4.”

    But after having surrendered so many hills, “conservatives” today are barely recognizable.

  123. @San Fernando Curt
    Republicans are stakeholders. They're homeowners. They're voters, or used to be. And more than anything else, they're parents. Republicans want to defend what they have because they have it. Democrats float through life like eternal children. ...Forever distracted by the next new thing until they're old, and realize they're alone, and afraid.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Republicans are stakeholders. They’re homeowners. They’re voters, or used to be. And more than anything else, they’re parents. Republicans want to defend what they have because they have it. Democrats float through life like eternal children. …Forever distracted by the next new thing until they’re old, and realize they’re alone, and afraid.

    Slight correction. “Republican voters are stakeholders …”

    Now we need to have Republican office holders act like they actually care about–or at least deign to cater to–their stakeholder voters.

    A very simple one. Instead of the corporate tax gifts to the likes of Disney and Apple, how about the House passing a huge “Affordable Family Formation” tax break. Every child is say at $20K tax exemption. A family with four kids making 100K would pay no income taxes (with the parents 10K personal exemptions). Their social role is “raise the next generation”. Heck, make the first kid 30K to help get parents started. Deliver for you voters. Absolute slash at the federal bureaucracy–all the DIE shit, the corrupt FBI and CIA, most federal agencies, the huge defense bloat–to pay for it.

    And how about telling the truth to young women?

    “The Democrats want you to stay unmarried, unhappy, resentful–and a Democrat voter. We want you to find a man with who can support a family, get married, have children, help raise the next generation of Americans, and in your later years look back upon a long and fulfilling life as your children carry America into the future.”

    ~~

    BTW, Steve after immigration, this is the critically important topic, thanks for raising it again.

    • Replies: @Precise Puncher
    @AnotherDad


    “The Democrats want you to stay unmarried, unhappy, resentful–and a Democrat voter. We want you to find a man with who can support a family, get married, have children, help raise the next generation of Americans, and in your later years look back upon a long and fulfilling life as your children carry America into the future.”
     
    LOL, Republicans don't give a shit about any of this.

    The Republicans just want to let in infinite immigrants from India and Mexico, while pretending not to, and to sell out what's left of this country to Russia and China, without even pretending not to.

    If you want women to breed you're not going to buy it from them with cheeky slogans like "love" and "family". You're going to have to pick up your smokepole and force them breed.

    They secretly prefer the latter over the former, anyway. After all, American women deep down inside know that they are unworthy of anything resembling love or family, and they know they deserve a severe divine punishment for their decades of poor life decisions.

    , @Bill P
    @AnotherDad


    And how about telling the truth to young women?
     
    How about it? They don't care.

    ...it was not Adam who was led astray but the woman who was led astray and fell into sin.
     
    1 Timothy 2:14

    Save your efforts for the young men, because the women won't save themselves from the devil.
    , @puttheforkdown
    @AnotherDad


    And how about telling the truth to young women?

     

    Ethics and morality are stale, pale, and male! To the carousel we go! (if we're not uggums, that is).
  124. @anon
    Yep, birth rates have consequences.

    Affluent educated liberals have 1-2 children. Affluent conservatives have 2-4. In recent years, with the implosion of birth rates in blue states, this has only sped up.

    This also explains why the regime is so eager for immigration. Otherwise, in 20 years, they simply don't have the numbers, if things hit the fan. Adios, mid-century consensus. Most blue cities in blue states will end up as 21st-century, ethnic rust wastelands -- similar to Portland, Philadelphia, etc.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon

    Your numbers are all screwed up. You’re living in mamby pamby land if you think conservatives are having 2-4 kids. That would stick out like a sore thumb in today’s world.

    Affluent liberals have 0-1 children, affluent conservatives have 1-2 children.

    This is for boomers. For liberal millennials it’s 0-0.5 children (including cats and dogs) and for millennial conservatives it’s 0-1 children (including guns, substack subscriptions and cuck bulls).

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anon

    I think you're exaggerating a little. The discrepancy exists but the numbers aren't *that* low--conservatives are still having kids.

    As for the cuck bulls...well, that's more of an online-right insult TBH. From what I can tell from ah...an acquaintance in the 'leather community' and Justin Lehmiller, the big right-wing perversion is swinging, where two married heterosexual couples exchange wives, and nowadays sometimes the wives fool around with each other too.

    Some liberals actually do that, but what's much more common is garden-variety slap-and-tickle or occasionally whips-and-chains. Liberal women have convinced themselves it's OK to be bossed around and slapped on the behind for an evening if you negotiate everything ahead of time and use safewords if things get too heavy. Not that I'd know or anything...

    Polyamory's catching on, where guys think they will have lots of affairs and then wind up watching as their girlfriends soak up all the casual sex. That's the closest to your 'cuck bull' scenario, and it's more done by liberals.

    Decadence? I suppose, but read the bathroom graffiti from Pompeii sometime. Your focus on the birth rate is solid, I just don't think things are as bad as you claim.

    Sure I didn't breed, but then I've got a risk-aversion problem.(I also save something like 2/3-3/4 of my income.)

    Replies: @Anon

  125. @Guest007
    @That Would Be Telling

    The pollster already know if one voted and which primary one voted in. thus, if one voted in a Republican Primary but says that one is a Democrat, the pollster knows to not count the results.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    The pollster already know if one voted and which primary one voted in.

    This ignores the people who don’t respond to the pollsters at all.

    Also not sure how many polling organizations would bother since 21 states have open primaries including second most populous Texas and 5 have jungle or thereabouts primaries, including the most populous California.

  126. @Rob
    @SFG

    If non-whites won’t vote Republican, then voting is just a racial headcount and society needs to discuss what comes after democracy. The last election was a red wave for white people. I realize disapproval numbers need to come with a left/right distinction. If 70% of people disapprove of Trump, it could be 50% democrats and 50% disappointed populists. One could be very unhappy with Biden and vote entirely blue, so maybe that’s what happened.

    I’m not saying this is the fault of non-whites. The R’s use racism as their glue in the South. That colors the party in the whole country’s eyes. But, Republicans have been doing half-assed outreach for a while. I don’t think they’re serious about it, though. I think they do it to persuade suburban swing voters that the R’s are not racist.

    The MAGA agenda could appeal to everyone. “Look to your left. Look to your right. Those are your fellow citizens. You, your children, them, and their children are the only Americans there will ever be. Our human capital is a resource. We won’t strip mine talent from around the world. Your fellow citizens need jobs. For a lot of people, that means factories. Perhaps the tight labor market (no immigration and “abundance agenda”) means wages rise to the point that factories cannot survive here. That’s good if the former workers are in higher-paying jobs. It’s a terrible thing if the former workers are cast into the outer darkness.”

    Seriously, the pre-COVID Trump economy convinced a lot of (relatively) black and Hispanic men to vote for him. Why not? Non-whites benefit from a tight labor market. Depending on the mix of immigrants not admitted, lower-wage people and the formerly unemployable all benefit.

    Maybe conservatives are putting the cart before the horse with the pro-man class. The first thing they have to do: persuade the establishment that they are human beings with legitimate political interests and are not solely motivated by the ids of the better educated. As is, the PMC tells itself that all its utopian schemes have been smashed on the evil rock of working-class white racism. But really, the pro-man class is quite effective in isolating themselves from the types of diversity they throw at the working class. Plus, the pro-man class projects their own racism onto the proles.

    I can see why deplorables are down on democracy. We voted for Candidate Trump, but we got President Trump. He did do some things, but he didn’t put populism first. He did not start to build s movement. With the entirety of the government against him, what could he do? Remember “two weeks to crush the curve,” or whatever the phrase was? Bureaucrats thought it’d take a month of quarantine, but they thought that Trump wouldn’t go for it, so they cut it to two weeks. WTF! The CDC(?) did not even present a realistic plan to the President! That’s serious malpractice. How many other Democrats in government #Resisted Trump like that?

    The defective covid tests the government made early in covid, were they intentionally unsuitable? Did some flunky decide that the worse covid was the more likely Trump was to lose the election? So, spike the kits with some SARS-CoV-2 cDNA. I’m not saying that happened, but I don’t think people can react to losing an election as progs did in 2016 and then claim that they would never do anything unprofessional in response.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    The defective covid tests the government made early in covid, were they intentionally unsuitable? Did some flunky decide that the worse covid was the more likely Trump was to lose the election? So, spike the kits with some SARS-CoV-2 cDNA.

    This is the CDC, blatantly defective manufacturing as an FDA troubleshooter immediately observed after first being denied access when he showed up … who can say? We do know the CDC’s test was extremely sensitive to the conditions under which it was run, most places that got uncontaminated kits still couldn’t make them work (they’ve got a positive control as well as the negative control which signaled contamination).

    The real crime was the FDA putting roadblocks in front of everyone else trying to make tests until the very last day of February. Nowhere more clear than in their requirement to distinguish between SARS, which died out, MERS the camel coronavirus of which there’s been two cases in the US, and COVID. That added massively to the demand for scarce BSL-3 lab space and time, when come to think of it that was also needed for other COVID tasks.

    Thus with the CDC’s prohibition on testing for community transmission only 4,000 total tests were done in the US prior to March, and we didn’t start to get ramped up until a while into the month by which time COVID was rampaging.

    Trump deserves additional blame you haven’t enumerated, like rubbing our face in his pathological narcissism with every press conference, the vast majority of which weren’t needed, or him vs. the media only trying to take him down. That showed how much the latter, the Left in general cared about us vs. … well as the ’60s slogan put it, the issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution. Why our public health trash did a 180 on Antifa and BLM.

    And he initially took the Floomer tack, which may have also played some role in the options he was presented. But I have no idea which idiot came up with “bend the curve for [small number of weeks].” How many weeks were unknowable until it was measured in years.

    Exactly when was that publicly announced?? Because at some fairly early point it was clear classic Wuhan was good but not great at transmission, meaning a marathon unless and until enough people could get enough immunity, natural and/or vaccine. Then in 2021 successively more transmissible and lethal Alpha and Delta broke out where we first found them in late 2020 and swept the world. Even more transmissible, still nasty but less so Omicron caused a wave where demand on some hospitals to reached or exceeded their capabilities. My local ones in deep Red state flyover country reached that state once (during Delta) and we needlessly lost people.

    See also systems getting crushed by this season’s children’s respiratory virus onslaught, perhaps in part bunching up because lots of young kids didn’t get RSV etc. when they’d normally get it during the era of lockdowns, “social distancing,” better hygiene etc. We in the US have OTC and prescription medicine shortages, and Canada is in an all around crisis of that and capacity. Whatever the cause, you’ve got to keep the curve bent to not exceed your capacity, and governments that don’t want to needlessly lose people need to keep reserves in these systems that they own or control.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @That Would Be Telling

    On kids getting RSV off-season, social isolation “weakens” the immune system. I put that word in quotes because the immune system running full-power has drawbacks: calories and autoimmunity for two. When you don’t interact with lots of people, your body down-regulates immunity to viruses, not sure about bacteria and parasites...

    Then, when everyone stops social distancing at once, people are more vulnerable to any infection.

    There’s also the virgin soil nature of the population. This is a bigger deal for kids, as a year of isolation is a bigger chunk of life for little kids, We started social distancing in early 2020, no? It’s late 2022. About 2.5 years of kids were born (or aged into more vulnerable ages) without being exposed to RSV or much of anything else.

    Social isolation downregulates adults’ immunity. It is possible that social isolation very early in life also downregulates immunity, perhaps for a long time. There’s evidence the other way. Some live-attenuated vaccines cause something called “heterologous immunity.” You get the live poliovirus vaccine, and you are less likely to get stomach flu (actually enterovirus). You get the BCG vaccine (for tuberculosis) as an infant a few days after birth and your overall health improves quite a bit. Likely due to environmental nonpathogenic bacteria, the BCG vax varies dramatically in effectiveness against tuberculosis, ranging from 0% effectiveness in India to 80% in Russia(?). India still uses it though, because the heterologous effects are good (it’s also cheap)

    I’ve been meaning to hassle my doc into a BCG shot, but I don’t think she’ll go for it. In the US it’s mostly (only?) for people who work in labs and those living with someone with tuberculosis. TB is rare, so we screen for TB, and the tuberculin skin test comes up positive for anyone who’s been immunized. That’s an annoyance and honestly sounds like a fixable problem. I shall think about this. Thanks, TWBT.

    I want to say the vaccine for MMR(V) has heterologous effects, but I don’t remember. If it does not that’s interesting. You see live poliovirus vaccine is oral, and BCG is intradermal. But MMR(V) is intramuscular. It takes more skill to do an intradermal injection but usually requires a much lower dose. Pretty sure id is more unpleasant in terms of mild local reactions than im, at least BCG is pretty unpleasant.

    If the government had smarter people working for it, we’d have had a plan and stockpile to expose kids to live-attenuated viruses to keep up their immunity. I realize I’m wishing for a pony. We could barely manage COVID vaccines. But, we could have done “live enterovirus vaccines” that a Japanese researcher created. They got a bunch of very mild stomach viruses (enteroviruses) and fed them to school kids as drinks, one virus a week, during cold and flu season. There was the occasional bout of diarrhea in the experimental group, but they got way fewer colds and flu, maybe a quarter of the kids vs half. Note, the viruses were given as drinks, so they would not have competed with COVID vaccines for the needle supply. But, even a vaccine that did compete with COVID vaccines, had we had a stockpile of MMRV early in the plague, we could have done vaccinations a month (say) into social distancing, which would not have competed with covid vaccinations. Also, there was zero optimization of viruses, dose, and scheduling. This is something with potential, I think.

    Thanks again, That Would Be Telling.

  127. @Reg Cæsar
    @SFG


    You really have to at least kill disparate impact, though, as others here have said.
     
    You can't kill reality. Everything has disparate impact. This is the key. It is their backhanded admission that race is real.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Oh come on, you know he meant, “kill the use of disparate impact.” Nevertheless, your point is well taken.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Right, the legal principle that disparate impact is evidence of discrimination. Sailer's brought this up and Hanania's talking about it.

    You actually do need to keep around the idea that de jure discrimination is wrong, because woke people are using it against whites and men. If the Supreme Court knocks down affirmative action, sure Harvard and Yale can reward you for talking about the struggles of your immigrant family in essays...but then they can be sued for anti-white discrimination! Changing the law doesn't solve the problem, but it puts the other side on the defensive.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  128. @Guest007
    @Brutusale

    But children born to people who married younger are more likely to end up in a broken home and not really have two parents. That could also lead to anti-social and other mental health issues.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But children born to people who married younger are more likely to end up in a broken home and not really have two parents.

    Maturity of parents trumps chronological age.

  129. The earlier someone marries, the more likely a divorce. Especially relevant when the women mature more than the males in the first couple years of marriage.

  130. @Precise Puncher
    @Hypnotoad666

    If voting fraud was real, Texas would have become a blue state by now.

    If anything the Republicans are the ones perpetrating (electoral) voting fraud, by re-districting their states so that the most isolated, lead-poisoned, sister-fucking, Christ worshipping, child molesting regions of their states have an outsized representation.

    But the catch is that this fraud is "legal", and therefore hugely successful.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Excellent! Join me in advocating for a national divorce.

    Your dishonest, rabid, and vile response identifies you as one of the left-wing idiots unworthy of American citizenship. Let us embrace Woodrow Wilson’s right of self-determination. You can isolate yourself in a blue city where you can realize your glorious Soviet future, and we can return to the arrangement that the framers and the founders intended. Then we can have the same government of the free that our fathers bled and died for.

    Get out of my country; your hydrophobia and fevered reactions are a hazard to everyone within reach of your bloody hand.

    • Replies: @Precise Puncher
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Separation is never an option. You must kill your enemies and eat their children if you are to get what you want, and in order to do that you must become 100000000000x more vicious, rabid, conniving, energetic, and evil than my persona. Are you ready to get PUMPED?

  131. @Brutusale
    @BosTex

    My observations tell me that even those liberals having kids married and reproduced later than their conservative counterparts, with the attendant increase in kids on the spectrum.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Guest007, @mc23

    It’s not just older women whose children are more prone to problems. They’re figuring out children with older fathers are also more prone to problems. The large majority of the children of older parents do quite well but the odds are what they are.

    I do think now that people should start have children in their early twenties. In the long run I feel it’s better for those who do want families. The key is making families affordable. Anecdotally, based on my knowledge, many women experience a drastic drop in fertility by their late twenties, one or two children early on and then they struggle. So much in our society is pushing the idea that starting in your thirties is marvelous.

  132. @anonymous
    @bomag

    White and Latino race mixing is the demographic future of America.

    https://www.amacad.org/sites/default/files/media/images/Daedalus_Sp21_13_Alba_Fig1-01.png

    Pie chart shows the composition of the 14.5 percent of all 2018 births that were mixed: that is, the father and mother belonged to different major ethnoracial categories. The largest single category by far is for infants with one Hispanic parent and one White, non-Hispanic parent.

    Chart from "The Surge of Young Americans from Minority-White Mixed Families & Its Significance for the Future" https://www.amacad.org/sites/default/files/publication/downloads/Daedalus_Sp21_13_Alba.pdf

    https://i2.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210831_BrookingsMetro_Census-Analysis_Fig7.png

    47% of under 18 population is non-Hispanic white. The whitest newborns born in 2100 are going to have lots of people of color in them.

    Replies: @SFG, @bomag

    47% of under 18 population is non-Hispanic white.

    From immigration and differential breeding.

    There’s been race mixing from time immemorial. People drift back into identifying with extant groups.

    Pie chart shows the composition of the 14.5 percent of all 2018 births that were mixed…

    That is not that high of a boiling off rate.

    End game is that there will always be classic Whites around; just fewer of them.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @bomag

    2020 - 15%
    2040 - 22%
    2060 - 33%
    2080 - 50%
    2100 - 75%

    If we assume the mixed race newborn population grows by 50% every 20 years then 3 out of 4 newborns in America will be mixed race. There will still be some white white kids around. Almost none by 2120.

    Replies: @bomag

  133. @AnotherDad
    @San Fernando Curt


    Republicans are stakeholders. They’re homeowners. They’re voters, or used to be. And more than anything else, they’re parents. Republicans want to defend what they have because they have it. Democrats float through life like eternal children. …Forever distracted by the next new thing until they’re old, and realize they’re alone, and afraid.
     
    Slight correction. "Republican voters are stakeholders ..."

    Now we need to have Republican office holders act like they actually care about--or at least deign to cater to--their stakeholder voters.

    A very simple one. Instead of the corporate tax gifts to the likes of Disney and Apple, how about the House passing a huge "Affordable Family Formation" tax break. Every child is say at $20K tax exemption. A family with four kids making 100K would pay no income taxes (with the parents 10K personal exemptions). Their social role is "raise the next generation". Heck, make the first kid 30K to help get parents started. Deliver for you voters. Absolute slash at the federal bureaucracy--all the DIE shit, the corrupt FBI and CIA, most federal agencies, the huge defense bloat--to pay for it.

    And how about telling the truth to young women?

    "The Democrats want you to stay unmarried, unhappy, resentful--and a Democrat voter. We want you to find a man with who can support a family, get married, have children, help raise the next generation of Americans, and in your later years look back upon a long and fulfilling life as your children carry America into the future."

    ~~

    BTW, Steve after immigration, this is the critically important topic, thanks for raising it again.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher, @Bill P, @puttheforkdown

    “The Democrats want you to stay unmarried, unhappy, resentful–and a Democrat voter. We want you to find a man with who can support a family, get married, have children, help raise the next generation of Americans, and in your later years look back upon a long and fulfilling life as your children carry America into the future.”

    LOL, Republicans don’t give a shit about any of this.

    The Republicans just want to let in infinite immigrants from India and Mexico, while pretending not to, and to sell out what’s left of this country to Russia and China, without even pretending not to.

    If you want women to breed you’re not going to buy it from them with cheeky slogans like “love” and “family”. You’re going to have to pick up your smokepole and force them breed.

    They secretly prefer the latter over the former, anyway. After all, American women deep down inside know that they are unworthy of anything resembling love or family, and they know they deserve a severe divine punishment for their decades of poor life decisions.

  134. @AnotherDad
    @San Fernando Curt


    Republicans are stakeholders. They’re homeowners. They’re voters, or used to be. And more than anything else, they’re parents. Republicans want to defend what they have because they have it. Democrats float through life like eternal children. …Forever distracted by the next new thing until they’re old, and realize they’re alone, and afraid.
     
    Slight correction. "Republican voters are stakeholders ..."

    Now we need to have Republican office holders act like they actually care about--or at least deign to cater to--their stakeholder voters.

    A very simple one. Instead of the corporate tax gifts to the likes of Disney and Apple, how about the House passing a huge "Affordable Family Formation" tax break. Every child is say at $20K tax exemption. A family with four kids making 100K would pay no income taxes (with the parents 10K personal exemptions). Their social role is "raise the next generation". Heck, make the first kid 30K to help get parents started. Deliver for you voters. Absolute slash at the federal bureaucracy--all the DIE shit, the corrupt FBI and CIA, most federal agencies, the huge defense bloat--to pay for it.

    And how about telling the truth to young women?

    "The Democrats want you to stay unmarried, unhappy, resentful--and a Democrat voter. We want you to find a man with who can support a family, get married, have children, help raise the next generation of Americans, and in your later years look back upon a long and fulfilling life as your children carry America into the future."

    ~~

    BTW, Steve after immigration, this is the critically important topic, thanks for raising it again.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher, @Bill P, @puttheforkdown

    And how about telling the truth to young women?

    How about it? They don’t care.

    …it was not Adam who was led astray but the woman who was led astray and fell into sin.

    1 Timothy 2:14

    Save your efforts for the young men, because the women won’t save themselves from the devil.

  135. @Barnard
    A significant percentage of them are doing it intentionally thinking they are saving the planet. It is insanity.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anonymous

    It makes more sense to regard liberals as a religious cult rather than a political movement, kind of like the Shakers.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Troll: Corvinus
  136. @AnotherDad
    @San Fernando Curt


    Republicans are stakeholders. They’re homeowners. They’re voters, or used to be. And more than anything else, they’re parents. Republicans want to defend what they have because they have it. Democrats float through life like eternal children. …Forever distracted by the next new thing until they’re old, and realize they’re alone, and afraid.
     
    Slight correction. "Republican voters are stakeholders ..."

    Now we need to have Republican office holders act like they actually care about--or at least deign to cater to--their stakeholder voters.

    A very simple one. Instead of the corporate tax gifts to the likes of Disney and Apple, how about the House passing a huge "Affordable Family Formation" tax break. Every child is say at $20K tax exemption. A family with four kids making 100K would pay no income taxes (with the parents 10K personal exemptions). Their social role is "raise the next generation". Heck, make the first kid 30K to help get parents started. Deliver for you voters. Absolute slash at the federal bureaucracy--all the DIE shit, the corrupt FBI and CIA, most federal agencies, the huge defense bloat--to pay for it.

    And how about telling the truth to young women?

    "The Democrats want you to stay unmarried, unhappy, resentful--and a Democrat voter. We want you to find a man with who can support a family, get married, have children, help raise the next generation of Americans, and in your later years look back upon a long and fulfilling life as your children carry America into the future."

    ~~

    BTW, Steve after immigration, this is the critically important topic, thanks for raising it again.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher, @Bill P, @puttheforkdown

    And how about telling the truth to young women?

    Ethics and morality are stale, pale, and male! To the carousel we go! (if we’re not uggums, that is).

  137. @Bill P
    @bomag

    Not self loathing -- self indulgence. Kids require self sacrifice. Democrat philosophy puts the self above all else, including children. That's why it holds abortion sacrosanct.

    Replies: @CalCooledge

    Unlimited personal autonomy is the actual national religion. Hence the worship of the Rainbow, abortion, lawlessness, etc. United Stated of Antinomianism.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @CalCooledge

    It's more than just personal autonomy: they actually believe the self is God. No exaggeration. If the world must conform to one's will - for example if a man's desire to be a woman makes it so - then the self must be the godhead.

    If you view these people's beliefs and actions with this in mind, it all makes perfect sense. Whatever they want, at any given time, is God's will. To suppress one's desires is to sin. The devil is anyone or anything that stands between a person and what he or she wills. Self-sacrifice is sacrilege.

    I've figured out their religion. I know it better than they do.

    Replies: @SFG

  138. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Precise Puncher

    Excellent! Join me in advocating for a national divorce.

    Your dishonest, rabid, and vile response identifies you as one of the left-wing idiots unworthy of American citizenship. Let us embrace Woodrow Wilson's right of self-determination. You can isolate yourself in a blue city where you can realize your glorious Soviet future, and we can return to the arrangement that the framers and the founders intended. Then we can have the same government of the free that our fathers bled and died for.

    Get out of my country; your hydrophobia and fevered reactions are a hazard to everyone within reach of your bloody hand.

    Replies: @Precise Puncher

    Separation is never an option. You must kill your enemies and eat their children if you are to get what you want, and in order to do that you must become 100000000000x more vicious, rabid, conniving, energetic, and evil than my persona. Are you ready to get PUMPED?

  139. @BosTex
    In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.

    To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less.

    Replies: @Anon, @anonymous, @Maxx, @Hannah Katz, @Brutusale, @Peter Akuleyev, @Corvinus

    Most white Democrats have Republican parents. Conservative parents producing liberal offspring is an eternal cycle.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Could be: observationally (I have a very large extended family down my mother’s side; fairly large down my father’s side):

    -Republicans tend to make more Republicans.

    -Democrats tend to make more Democrats.

    I tend to think that the way you turn out is a mixture of genes and upbringing, but I was right wing, nationalistic and patriotic before I would have ever understood what those words mean.

    I think most people tend to form their political/ideological template fairly early, then backfill with information as they grow and develop.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  140. @bomag
    @anonymous


    47% of under 18 population is non-Hispanic white.
     
    From immigration and differential breeding.

    There's been race mixing from time immemorial. People drift back into identifying with extant groups.


    Pie chart shows the composition of the 14.5 percent of all 2018 births that were mixed...
     
    That is not that high of a boiling off rate.

    End game is that there will always be classic Whites around; just fewer of them.

    Replies: @anonymous

    2020 – 15%
    2040 – 22%
    2060 – 33%
    2080 – 50%
    2100 – 75%

    If we assume the mixed race newborn population grows by 50% every 20 years then 3 out of 4 newborns in America will be mixed race. There will still be some white white kids around. Almost none by 2120.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @anonymous


    If we assume the mixed race newborn population grows by 50% every 20 years...
     
    I suspect that 15% will fall to 10%; what we see in other populations around the world.

    The mixed race tend to breed back into one of the established groups. Call it the Elizabeth Warren path; she had an ancestor who out-bred, but following generations did not.

    Replies: @Anon

  141. @Zero Philosopher
    @Mr. Anon

    The CCP treats the Chinese people not even as subjects like medieval kings did, but more like Human cattle. It's absolutely horrfying. It's what you get when you combine a totalitarian regime with a people that, culturally, are already predisposed towards subservience. RFecently, a bunch of Chinese people died in a buildiung on fire because of the COVID lockdown.

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who's lifelihood is money extortion. They "sell" you services that don't want to buy, and they take your moeny whether you want the service or not

    There are some state services that we do need, like a police force, courts and a military. But even these services are often not of very high quality, and we pay a very, very steep price for government protection.

    The state is *exactly* like the Mafia, a protection racket that forces you to pay them protection money. If you refuse to pay them, they take away your freedom. Think about the appalling nature of such statement: you pay to be free. We are basically slave-taxes, slave-taxed in exchange for our freedom.

    This is why the only two good forms of government there are direct democracy, where you vote for literally everything, and you have the power to remove any government official at any time, *or* a philopher-king type of government, where a truly Superior Individual takes hold of supreme power and ends the innate corruption of the "checks and balances" system, while he himself is incapable of abusing his power due to extreme ability to experience remorse and deep philosophical convictions.

    Perhaps the hapiest period in all of Human history were the first 2 centuries of the Roman Empire, when Rome was lucky to have 5 Superior Individuals as de facto Kings.

    But good luck getting this in America. Neither Biden or Trump are exactly Marcus Aurelius.

    Replies: @Renard, @Rob, @Peter Lund, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Muggles, @Mr. Anon

    Government is basically a self-serving mafia who’s lifelihood is money extortion. They “sell” you services that don’t want to buy, and they take your money whether you want the service or not.

    Yep.

  142. @Zero Philosopher
    Well, white liberals are less inclined to parenthood than conservatives because they are less "R" select than conservatives. I think the reason is not feminism or anything like that, but just that white liberals are biologically less fertile than white conservatives, in more-or-less the same way that East Asians are less fertile than Caucasians, just like Caucasians are less fertile than west Africans. Or in the same way that Humans are less fertiile than cockroaches.

    Notice how the graphs show parenthood in the late thirties age bracket. I am sure that, if the graph compared white conservatives and white liberals in their late twenties, the disproportion would favor conservatives even more. Because white conservatives not only have more kids than white liberals, but also tend to have them at an earlier age which follows the pattern of being more "R" selected(fast life strategy). If you look at Texas, for instance, the "reddest" state of the Union, it has one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy among white girls. Minessota, not so much.

    Replies: @Jack P

    Is there a place we can find teenage pregnancy rates among white girls?

    Texas isn’t really the reddest state. It’s the largest red state though.

  143. @CalCooledge
    @Bill P

    Unlimited personal autonomy is the actual national religion. Hence the worship of the Rainbow, abortion, lawlessness, etc. United Stated of Antinomianism.

    Replies: @Bill P

    It’s more than just personal autonomy: they actually believe the self is God. No exaggeration. If the world must conform to one’s will – for example if a man’s desire to be a woman makes it so – then the self must be the godhead.

    If you view these people’s beliefs and actions with this in mind, it all makes perfect sense. Whatever they want, at any given time, is God’s will. To suppress one’s desires is to sin. The devil is anyone or anything that stands between a person and what he or she wills. Self-sacrifice is sacrilege.

    I’ve figured out their religion. I know it better than they do.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Bill P

    They think they should be able to do what they want. They don't believe in an actually-objective external source of moral values, so 'God' and 'the devil' don't make sense as concepts. (Though it doesn't quite work, because then why is racism wrong?)

    Replies: @Bill P, @bomag

  144. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Reg Cæsar

    Oh come on, you know he meant, "kill the use of disparate impact." Nevertheless, your point is well taken.

    Replies: @SFG

    Right, the legal principle that disparate impact is evidence of discrimination. Sailer’s brought this up and Hanania’s talking about it.

    You actually do need to keep around the idea that de jure discrimination is wrong, because woke people are using it against whites and men. If the Supreme Court knocks down affirmative action, sure Harvard and Yale can reward you for talking about the struggles of your immigrant family in essays…but then they can be sued for anti-white discrimination! Changing the law doesn’t solve the problem, but it puts the other side on the defensive.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SFG


    Right, the legal principle that disparate impact is evidence of discrimination.
     
    Disparate impact is indeed evidence of discrimination-- by Mother Nature.

    All standards are thus "structural racism" by default. The other side must be forced to admit that they intend to get rid of all standards. Including those keeping planes in the sky.

    That is not a popular position with any demographic.
  145. @Bill P
    @CalCooledge

    It's more than just personal autonomy: they actually believe the self is God. No exaggeration. If the world must conform to one's will - for example if a man's desire to be a woman makes it so - then the self must be the godhead.

    If you view these people's beliefs and actions with this in mind, it all makes perfect sense. Whatever they want, at any given time, is God's will. To suppress one's desires is to sin. The devil is anyone or anything that stands between a person and what he or she wills. Self-sacrifice is sacrilege.

    I've figured out their religion. I know it better than they do.

    Replies: @SFG

    They think they should be able to do what they want. They don’t believe in an actually-objective external source of moral values, so ‘God’ and ‘the devil’ don’t make sense as concepts. (Though it doesn’t quite work, because then why is racism wrong?)

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @SFG


    They don’t believe in an actually-objective external source of moral values
     
    Right -- it's internal. But who says God can't be internal? Lots of Christians believe in a "personal Jesus," Quakers believe in that "still, small voice" and "inner light."

    But these people believe it is only internal, and there's no god anywhere else.

    You may say they aren't religious, but anyone who believes that one's desires/will can alter physical reality clearly believes in the supernatural.


    Though it doesn’t quite work, because then why is racism wrong?
     
    It isn't wrong to them. They are openly racist against people all the time. Only anti-black racism is consistently opposed, and that because blacks, who are seen as more self-oriented and expressive, are held to be examples of what we should all strive toward.

    I know, it sounds ridiculous, but I'm not wrong.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @bomag
    @SFG

    I'm thinking there's a money aspect here: usually one couldn't afford to drink too much; sleep around too much; do too many drugs; etc., because the money soon ran out.

    Now there's more cash and social safety net sloshing around, so we can indulge our baser instincts with fewer consequences.

  146. @BosTex
    In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.

    To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less.

    Replies: @Anon, @anonymous, @Maxx, @Hannah Katz, @Brutusale, @Peter Akuleyev, @Corvinus

    “In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.”

    Wild generalization.

    “To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less”

    This is where you and Mr. Sailer got sloppy by making this inference.

    Generation Z may have Republican/conservative parents, but they generally hold different views.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/

    —When it comes to views on race, the two younger generations are more likely than older generations to say that blacks are treated less fairly than whites in the United States today. And they are much more likely than their elders to approve of NFL players kneeling during the national anthem as a sign of protest.

    The younger generations are also more accepting of some of the ways in which American society is changing. Majorities among Gen Z and the Millennial generation say increasing racial and ethnic diversity in the U.S. is a good thing for society, while older generations are less convinced of this. And they’re more likely to have a positive view of interracial and same-sex marriage than their older counterparts.

    As a recent Pew Research Center report highlighted, Gen Z is the most racially and ethnically diverse generation we have seen, but this isn’t all that’s driving the attitudes of this generation when it comes to issues surrounding race and diversity. There are significant, if more modest, generational differences on these issues even among non-Hispanic whites.—

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/gop-liberal-america-millennials.html

    https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/generation-z-future-of-faith/

    — In terms of identity, Generation Z is the least religious generation yet. More than one-third (34 percent) of Generation Z are religiously unaffiliated, a significantly larger proportion than among millennials (29 percent) and Generation X (25 percent). Fewer than one in five (18 percent) baby boomers and only 9 percent of the silent generation are religiously unaffiliated.—

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus

    LOL.

    So gen Z has been brainwashed into oblivion.

    They hold boutique political views that won't stand the test of time.

    Whatever your response, it doesn't change the fact that they have been essentially sterilized.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  147. @Hypnotoad666
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizenism assumes that citizens get a vote. But Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.

    The debacle in Arizona is on full display. But the threat of losing respectable pundit status with charges of "election denier" is apparently enough to deter alleged conservative dissenters (not just Steve) from noticing or commenting.

    Maybe these folks will start to grow a pair and at least get curious now that free speech is being allowed on Twitter. One should at least be able to notice things and ask questions. The media obviously won't. If Elon's Twitter experiment eventually leads to a decentralized world of smart and independent "citizen journalists" that would be a huge step toward real "Citizenism."

    Replies: @Pixo, @Corvinus

    “But Steve is basically incurious about whether our elections are honest.“

    There’s a pattern here. NOTICE it. He has a position. He’s just very cagey about it. Read between the lines. He believes that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen and that widespread voter fraud as touted by the right is a nothingburger. Just look at the Arizona investigation and the lawsuit against Sydney Powell.

    He can’t say it out loud, he would lose money for dog food.

  148. @Anon
    @anon

    Your numbers are all screwed up. You're living in mamby pamby land if you think conservatives are having 2-4 kids. That would stick out like a sore thumb in today's world.

    Affluent liberals have 0-1 children, affluent conservatives have 1-2 children.

    This is for boomers. For liberal millennials it's 0-0.5 children (including cats and dogs) and for millennial conservatives it's 0-1 children (including guns, substack subscriptions and cuck bulls).

    Replies: @SFG

    I think you’re exaggerating a little. The discrepancy exists but the numbers aren’t *that* low–conservatives are still having kids.

    As for the cuck bulls…well, that’s more of an online-right insult TBH. From what I can tell from ah…an acquaintance in the ‘leather community’ and Justin Lehmiller, the big right-wing perversion is swinging, where two married heterosexual couples exchange wives, and nowadays sometimes the wives fool around with each other too.

    Some liberals actually do that, but what’s much more common is garden-variety slap-and-tickle or occasionally whips-and-chains. Liberal women have convinced themselves it’s OK to be bossed around and slapped on the behind for an evening if you negotiate everything ahead of time and use safewords if things get too heavy. Not that I’d know or anything…

    Polyamory’s catching on, where guys think they will have lots of affairs and then wind up watching as their girlfriends soak up all the casual sex. That’s the closest to your ‘cuck bull’ scenario, and it’s more done by liberals.

    Decadence? I suppose, but read the bathroom graffiti from Pompeii sometime. Your focus on the birth rate is solid, I just don’t think things are as bad as you claim.

    Sure I didn’t breed, but then I’ve got a risk-aversion problem.(I also save something like 2/3-3/4 of my income.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    @SFG

    Obviously Conservatives aren't having kids when the most commom age in red state America is 57. You don't get the demographic nightmare scenario you see in America if people are having kids.

    Look at the chart Steve posted. Only 17% of Republicans age 18-25 have kids. Only 44% ages 25-30 do. Of the measely 55% of Repubs age 30-35yo who have a kid, they probably had one kid tops, and that chart included Trump hats and memes under its definition of 'kids'. Nobody is breeding anymore and the nightmare statistics that keep coming out year after year are proof of it, for some reason most Repubs are sleepwalking in to demographic oblivion when they should be angry as hell and foaming at the mouth.

    I guess the natural human tendency is to take the path of least resistance and controversy. Most repubs would rather be posers and fight the uphill battles the left wants them to fight, which they know they will always win, like immigration, rather than the one they are deaty afraid of: the persistent 50 years of infertility that is destroying everything.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @SFG

  149. @anonymous
    @bomag

    2020 - 15%
    2040 - 22%
    2060 - 33%
    2080 - 50%
    2100 - 75%

    If we assume the mixed race newborn population grows by 50% every 20 years then 3 out of 4 newborns in America will be mixed race. There will still be some white white kids around. Almost none by 2120.

    Replies: @bomag

    If we assume the mixed race newborn population grows by 50% every 20 years…

    I suspect that 15% will fall to 10%; what we see in other populations around the world.

    The mixed race tend to breed back into one of the established groups. Call it the Elizabeth Warren path; she had an ancestor who out-bred, but following generations did not.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @bomag

    Lithybith Warren's anthestors grew up in a time when America wath ekthperienthing enormouth white migration waves , ethpethially relatively huge numberth of young white people moving to the prarie. It wath probable back then that mickthed people would go back to white.


    Nowadays it's different. Today it's the nonwhite population growing, meaning whites are just as likely to mix with coloreds. And a ton of people don't breed and will never breed on time. Add in the increasing use of sperm donation by minority women and you've got a recipe for a MIX.

  150. @That Would Be Telling
    @Rob


    The defective covid tests the government made early in covid, were they intentionally unsuitable? Did some flunky decide that the worse covid was the more likely Trump was to lose the election? So, spike the kits with some SARS-CoV-2 cDNA.
     
    This is the CDC, blatantly defective manufacturing as an FDA troubleshooter immediately observed after first being denied access when he showed up ... who can say? We do know the CDC's test was extremely sensitive to the conditions under which it was run, most places that got uncontaminated kits still couldn't make them work (they've got a positive control as well as the negative control which signaled contamination).

    The real crime was the FDA putting roadblocks in front of everyone else trying to make tests until the very last day of February. Nowhere more clear than in their requirement to distinguish between SARS, which died out, MERS the camel coronavirus of which there's been two cases in the US, and COVID. That added massively to the demand for scarce BSL-3 lab space and time, when come to think of it that was also needed for other COVID tasks.

    Thus with the CDC's prohibition on testing for community transmission only 4,000 total tests were done in the US prior to March, and we didn't start to get ramped up until a while into the month by which time COVID was rampaging.

    Trump deserves additional blame you haven't enumerated, like rubbing our face in his pathological narcissism with every press conference, the vast majority of which weren't needed, or him vs. the media only trying to take him down. That showed how much the latter, the Left in general cared about us vs. ... well as the '60s slogan put it, the issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution. Why our public health trash did a 180 on Antifa and BLM.

    And he initially took the Floomer tack, which may have also played some role in the options he was presented. But I have no idea which idiot came up with "bend the curve for [small number of weeks]." How many weeks were unknowable until it was measured in years.

    Exactly when was that publicly announced?? Because at some fairly early point it was clear classic Wuhan was good but not great at transmission, meaning a marathon unless and until enough people could get enough immunity, natural and/or vaccine. Then in 2021 successively more transmissible and lethal Alpha and Delta broke out where we first found them in late 2020 and swept the world. Even more transmissible, still nasty but less so Omicron caused a wave where demand on some hospitals to reached or exceeded their capabilities. My local ones in deep Red state flyover country reached that state once (during Delta) and we needlessly lost people.

    See also systems getting crushed by this season's children's respiratory virus onslaught, perhaps in part bunching up because lots of young kids didn't get RSV etc. when they'd normally get it during the era of lockdowns, "social distancing," better hygiene etc. We in the US have OTC and prescription medicine shortages, and Canada is in an all around crisis of that and capacity. Whatever the cause, you've got to keep the curve bent to not exceed your capacity, and governments that don't want to needlessly lose people need to keep reserves in these systems that they own or control.

    Replies: @Rob

    On kids getting RSV off-season, social isolation “weakens” the immune system. I put that word in quotes because the immune system running full-power has drawbacks: calories and autoimmunity for two. When you don’t interact with lots of people, your body down-regulates immunity to viruses, not sure about bacteria and parasites…

    Then, when everyone stops social distancing at once, people are more vulnerable to any infection.

    There’s also the virgin soil nature of the population. This is a bigger deal for kids, as a year of isolation is a bigger chunk of life for little kids, We started social distancing in early 2020, no? It’s late 2022. About 2.5 years of kids were born (or aged into more vulnerable ages) without being exposed to RSV or much of anything else.

    Social isolation downregulates adults’ immunity. It is possible that social isolation very early in life also downregulates immunity, perhaps for a long time. There’s evidence the other way. Some live-attenuated vaccines cause something called “heterologous immunity.” You get the live poliovirus vaccine, and you are less likely to get stomach flu (actually enterovirus). You get the BCG vaccine (for tuberculosis) as an infant a few days after birth and your overall health improves quite a bit. Likely due to environmental nonpathogenic bacteria, the BCG vax varies dramatically in effectiveness against tuberculosis, ranging from 0% effectiveness in India to 80% in Russia(?). India still uses it though, because the heterologous effects are good (it’s also cheap)

    I’ve been meaning to hassle my doc into a BCG shot, but I don’t think she’ll go for it. In the US it’s mostly (only?) for people who work in labs and those living with someone with tuberculosis. TB is rare, so we screen for TB, and the tuberculin skin test comes up positive for anyone who’s been immunized. That’s an annoyance and honestly sounds like a fixable problem. I shall think about this. Thanks, TWBT.

    I want to say the vaccine for MMR(V) has heterologous effects, but I don’t remember. If it does not that’s interesting. You see live poliovirus vaccine is oral, and BCG is intradermal. But MMR(V) is intramuscular. It takes more skill to do an intradermal injection but usually requires a much lower dose. Pretty sure id is more unpleasant in terms of mild local reactions than im, at least BCG is pretty unpleasant.

    [MORE]

    If the government had smarter people working for it, we’d have had a plan and stockpile to expose kids to live-attenuated viruses to keep up their immunity. I realize I’m wishing for a pony. We could barely manage COVID vaccines. But, we could have done “live enterovirus vaccines” that a Japanese researcher created. They got a bunch of very mild stomach viruses (enteroviruses) and fed them to school kids as drinks, one virus a week, during cold and flu season. There was the occasional bout of diarrhea in the experimental group, but they got way fewer colds and flu, maybe a quarter of the kids vs half. Note, the viruses were given as drinks, so they would not have competed with COVID vaccines for the needle supply. But, even a vaccine that did compete with COVID vaccines, had we had a stockpile of MMRV early in the plague, we could have done vaccinations a month (say) into social distancing, which would not have competed with covid vaccinations. Also, there was zero optimization of viruses, dose, and scheduling. This is something with potential, I think.

    Thanks again, That Would Be Telling.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  151. @Corvinus
    @BosTex

    “In other words (I think): white Democrats are exiting the gene pool. That is not a bad thing. They are awful people, to self extinguish does us all a favor.”

    Wild generalization.

    “To the extent that political orientation is heritable ( it probably is to a large degree) the future will be more conservative, populist and nationalistic, not less”

    This is where you and Mr. Sailer got sloppy by making this inference.

    Generation Z may have Republican/conservative parents, but they generally hold different views.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/

    —When it comes to views on race, the two younger generations are more likely than older generations to say that blacks are treated less fairly than whites in the United States today. And they are much more likely than their elders to approve of NFL players kneeling during the national anthem as a sign of protest.

    The younger generations are also more accepting of some of the ways in which American society is changing. Majorities among Gen Z and the Millennial generation say increasing racial and ethnic diversity in the U.S. is a good thing for society, while older generations are less convinced of this. And they’re more likely to have a positive view of interracial and same-sex marriage than their older counterparts.

    As a recent Pew Research Center report highlighted, Gen Z is the most racially and ethnically diverse generation we have seen, but this isn’t all that’s driving the attitudes of this generation when it comes to issues surrounding race and diversity. There are significant, if more modest, generational differences on these issues even among non-Hispanic whites.—

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/gop-liberal-america-millennials.html

    https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/generation-z-future-of-faith/

    — In terms of identity, Generation Z is the least religious generation yet. More than one-third (34 percent) of Generation Z are religiously unaffiliated, a significantly larger proportion than among millennials (29 percent) and Generation X (25 percent). Fewer than one in five (18 percent) baby boomers and only 9 percent of the silent generation are religiously unaffiliated.—

    Replies: @bomag

    LOL.

    So gen Z has been brainwashed into oblivion.

    They hold boutique political views that won’t stand the test of time.

    Whatever your response, it doesn’t change the fact that they have been essentially sterilized.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    “So gen Z has been brainwashed into oblivion.”

    So you’re essentially saying millions of white people are easily duped. That’s blatantly anti white.

    “They hold boutique political views that won’t stand the test of time.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “Whatever your response, it doesn’t change the fact that they have been essentially sterilized”

    You mean your opinion.

  152. @SFG
    @Bill P

    They think they should be able to do what they want. They don't believe in an actually-objective external source of moral values, so 'God' and 'the devil' don't make sense as concepts. (Though it doesn't quite work, because then why is racism wrong?)

    Replies: @Bill P, @bomag

    They don’t believe in an actually-objective external source of moral values

    Right — it’s internal. But who says God can’t be internal? Lots of Christians believe in a “personal Jesus,” Quakers believe in that “still, small voice” and “inner light.”

    But these people believe it is only internal, and there’s no god anywhere else.

    You may say they aren’t religious, but anyone who believes that one’s desires/will can alter physical reality clearly believes in the supernatural.

    Though it doesn’t quite work, because then why is racism wrong?

    It isn’t wrong to them. They are openly racist against people all the time. Only anti-black racism is consistently opposed, and that because blacks, who are seen as more self-oriented and expressive, are held to be examples of what we should all strive toward.

    I know, it sounds ridiculous, but I’m not wrong.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Bill P

    No, I agree actually. They’re not some Steven Pinker/Scott Alexander paragons of rationality; it’s more like animism.

    Replies: @Bill P

  153. @SFG
    @Bill P

    They think they should be able to do what they want. They don't believe in an actually-objective external source of moral values, so 'God' and 'the devil' don't make sense as concepts. (Though it doesn't quite work, because then why is racism wrong?)

    Replies: @Bill P, @bomag

    I’m thinking there’s a money aspect here: usually one couldn’t afford to drink too much; sleep around too much; do too many drugs; etc., because the money soon ran out.

    Now there’s more cash and social safety net sloshing around, so we can indulge our baser instincts with fewer consequences.

  154. @Bill P
    @SFG


    They don’t believe in an actually-objective external source of moral values
     
    Right -- it's internal. But who says God can't be internal? Lots of Christians believe in a "personal Jesus," Quakers believe in that "still, small voice" and "inner light."

    But these people believe it is only internal, and there's no god anywhere else.

    You may say they aren't religious, but anyone who believes that one's desires/will can alter physical reality clearly believes in the supernatural.


    Though it doesn’t quite work, because then why is racism wrong?
     
    It isn't wrong to them. They are openly racist against people all the time. Only anti-black racism is consistently opposed, and that because blacks, who are seen as more self-oriented and expressive, are held to be examples of what we should all strive toward.

    I know, it sounds ridiculous, but I'm not wrong.

    Replies: @SFG

    No, I agree actually. They’re not some Steven Pinker/Scott Alexander paragons of rationality; it’s more like animism.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @SFG

    Even pre-animism, perhaps. I think this may have been the universal concept of the divine before behavioral modernity arose some fifty thousand years ago.

    In animism, at least one recognizes that spirit exists in external things, whereas this belief system is so blindly solipsistic that it seems like something an ape might come up with. Or maybe a two-year-old child.

    But every time I test whether it's consistent with what they support it checks out.

  155. @SFG
    @Bill P

    No, I agree actually. They’re not some Steven Pinker/Scott Alexander paragons of rationality; it’s more like animism.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Even pre-animism, perhaps. I think this may have been the universal concept of the divine before behavioral modernity arose some fifty thousand years ago.

    In animism, at least one recognizes that spirit exists in external things, whereas this belief system is so blindly solipsistic that it seems like something an ape might come up with. Or maybe a two-year-old child.

    But every time I test whether it’s consistent with what they support it checks out.

  156. @Peter Akuleyev
    @BosTex

    Most white Democrats have Republican parents. Conservative parents producing liberal offspring is an eternal cycle.

    Replies: @BosTex

    Could be: observationally (I have a very large extended family down my mother’s side; fairly large down my father’s side):

    -Republicans tend to make more Republicans.

    -Democrats tend to make more Democrats.

    I tend to think that the way you turn out is a mixture of genes and upbringing, but I was right wing, nationalistic and patriotic before I would have ever understood what those words mean.

    I think most people tend to form their political/ideological template fairly early, then backfill with information as they grow and develop.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @BosTex

    “Republicans tend to make more Republicans. Democrats tend to make more Democrats.”

    Not in the case of Gen Z. A considerable number of Gen Z come from Republican homes and do not share the views of their parents.

    “but I was right wing, nationalistic and patriotic before I would have ever understood what those words mean.”

    Now this is fascinating to me. So how did you know? When was this epiphany?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

  157. @SFG
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Right, the legal principle that disparate impact is evidence of discrimination. Sailer's brought this up and Hanania's talking about it.

    You actually do need to keep around the idea that de jure discrimination is wrong, because woke people are using it against whites and men. If the Supreme Court knocks down affirmative action, sure Harvard and Yale can reward you for talking about the struggles of your immigrant family in essays...but then they can be sued for anti-white discrimination! Changing the law doesn't solve the problem, but it puts the other side on the defensive.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Right, the legal principle that disparate impact is evidence of discrimination.

    Disparate impact is indeed evidence of discrimination– by Mother Nature.

    All standards are thus “structural racism” by default. The other side must be forced to admit that they intend to get rid of all standards. Including those keeping planes in the sky.

    That is not a popular position with any demographic.

  158. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Reg Cæsar

    Right, I'm a Jewish troll. Makes perfect sense.

    That's why I promote the extension of identity politics to whites (or whatever white subgroups), i.e., whites should do like every other group which is think of themselves as a people and organize to promote and protect that group.

    I mean, it's not as though this is what terrifies influencial Jews the most.

    However, I will say that, unfortunately, whites have dug themselves into such a hole that we can't join the identity politics game too aggressively so we should start small and local - above all, quietly. But we can push whites to start thinking of themselves as a people.

    Identity politics is the future, just as it was the past.

    As to demoralizing backers of Citizenism, I'd think that 50 years of relentless failure would do that job just fine.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Tell us how you’re going to enact A) strict regulation of firearms for minorities alongside a permissive policy for whites and B) strict regulation of abortion among whites alongside a permissive policy for minorities? As you claim, the same laws for everyone is illegitimate. That’s “citizenism”, and it has failed. Just like ex-Gov DeSantis.

    Steve starts with concentric circles beginning with one’s own family. That’s really the only basis for reform and regeneration. Stay home and breed. Identity will follow in time. At least Another Dad has a plan.

    Right now the only “identity” “uniting” “whites” is waving rainbow flags in the faces of Gulf Arabs. Is that a hill you want to die on?


    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    CoaSC is basically a troll, as you say: repetitive like a bot, always negative, and without any ideas beyond vaguely wishing Whites to be more identitarian. Boring.

    However, you are at least as trollish by engaging in bizarro non sequiturs projecting your own compulsions:


    Tell us how you’re going to enact A) strict regulation of firearms for minorities alongside a permissive policy for whites and B) strict regulation of abortion among whites alongside a permissive policy for minorities?
     
    Neither A nor B negatively affects Whites more than other races, NAMs specifically. E.g., the proportionate (breeding age and fetal) attrition rate is far higher for Blacks than for Whites in the respective categories. Morality aside, from a strictly White identitarian point of view, your pacifist and Catholic concerns about guns and abortion are non sequiturs at best.

    Steve starts with concentric circles beginning with one’s own family.
     
    Steve’s outlook is simultaneously local, regional, and global. Are you not familiar with the World’s Most Important Graph?

    That’s really the only basis for reform and regeneration.
     
    You’re artificially limiting ameliorative actions; probably a projection of your pacifism.

    Stay home and breed. Identity will follow in time.
     
    If you’re breeding and have no preexisting identity, what exactly are you breeding?

    At least Another Dad has a plan.
     
    Correction: Like CoaSC, AnotherDad has a wish; I’ve never seen him articulate a plan. Maybe you have links to AD’s secret plan?

    Right now the only “identity” “uniting” “whites” is waving rainbow flags in the faces of Gulf Arabs.
     
    Er, that looks to be a small subset of “whites” that catches your fancy: You may be projecting yourself into that “whiteness” if you see all Whites as unified rainbow soccer twats.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

  159. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    G9d damn she fine. We gotta get more Korean women

    Replies: @martin_2

    Poverty stricken countries almost always have women that are as ugly as sin. North Korean women are pretty and it is such a shame to see them hungry and desperate, when they are otherwise so well favoured and could do so well in the dating market in the West.

  160. It’s not all Orthodox babies:

    Orange County’s population is the third-fastest expanding in New York State

    NB: some border-shifting between Monroe and Kiryas Joel complicates their bars. Don’t take them straight-up. Why Tuxedo– birthplace of the suit– is so much older is an intriguing question. Are tuxes out?

  161. Anon[999] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag
    @anonymous


    If we assume the mixed race newborn population grows by 50% every 20 years...
     
    I suspect that 15% will fall to 10%; what we see in other populations around the world.

    The mixed race tend to breed back into one of the established groups. Call it the Elizabeth Warren path; she had an ancestor who out-bred, but following generations did not.

    Replies: @Anon

    Lithybith Warren’s anthestors grew up in a time when America wath ekthperienthing enormouth white migration waves , ethpethially relatively huge numberth of young white people moving to the prarie. It wath probable back then that mickthed people would go back to white.

    Nowadays it’s different. Today it’s the nonwhite population growing, meaning whites are just as likely to mix with coloreds. And a ton of people don’t breed and will never breed on time. Add in the increasing use of sperm donation by minority women and you’ve got a recipe for a MIX.

  162. Anon[999] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @Anon

    I think you're exaggerating a little. The discrepancy exists but the numbers aren't *that* low--conservatives are still having kids.

    As for the cuck bulls...well, that's more of an online-right insult TBH. From what I can tell from ah...an acquaintance in the 'leather community' and Justin Lehmiller, the big right-wing perversion is swinging, where two married heterosexual couples exchange wives, and nowadays sometimes the wives fool around with each other too.

    Some liberals actually do that, but what's much more common is garden-variety slap-and-tickle or occasionally whips-and-chains. Liberal women have convinced themselves it's OK to be bossed around and slapped on the behind for an evening if you negotiate everything ahead of time and use safewords if things get too heavy. Not that I'd know or anything...

    Polyamory's catching on, where guys think they will have lots of affairs and then wind up watching as their girlfriends soak up all the casual sex. That's the closest to your 'cuck bull' scenario, and it's more done by liberals.

    Decadence? I suppose, but read the bathroom graffiti from Pompeii sometime. Your focus on the birth rate is solid, I just don't think things are as bad as you claim.

    Sure I didn't breed, but then I've got a risk-aversion problem.(I also save something like 2/3-3/4 of my income.)

    Replies: @Anon

    Obviously Conservatives aren’t having kids when the most commom age in red state America is 57. You don’t get the demographic nightmare scenario you see in America if people are having kids.

    Look at the chart Steve posted. Only 17% of Republicans age 18-25 have kids. Only 44% ages 25-30 do. Of the measely 55% of Repubs age 30-35yo who have a kid, they probably had one kid tops, and that chart included Trump hats and memes under its definition of ‘kids’. Nobody is breeding anymore and the nightmare statistics that keep coming out year after year are proof of it, for some reason most Repubs are sleepwalking in to demographic oblivion when they should be angry as hell and foaming at the mouth.

    I guess the natural human tendency is to take the path of least resistance and controversy. Most repubs would rather be posers and fight the uphill battles the left wants them to fight, which they know they will always win, like immigration, rather than the one they are deaty afraid of: the persistent 50 years of infertility that is destroying everything.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anon

    How many white kids in your brood? If you don’t have at least five, you’re contributing mightily to the problem.

    , @SFG
    @Anon

    I agree, but for affordable family formation you would have to raise wages and either subsidize college or somehow make it unnecessary for white collar jobs, the first two of which would be unpopular with the big donors and the third of which I have no clue how you would do. A big reason people don’t have kids is debt and cost of living.

    Yes immigration decreases wages and raises housing prices but it is not the whole story.

    Replies: @Anon

  163. @Anonymous
    @BosTex

    The best age to have kids is 25-35.

    18-24 year old women have the most physically safe pregnancies and births but they have sky high rates of child neglect and abuse. Kids of young mothers tend to do poorly in school and career when they grow up.

    After age 35 you get a lot of mentally disabled kids due to old mothers and old ovaries. It's also more dangerous to give birth at/above this age.

    I believe a Stanford study found the best age to have a kid is 32 if your primary goal is to max out your kid's future education and income.

    Replies: @Alden

    Not old ovaries, old eggs or ovum. The men of UNZ the men of UNZ endless gynecology comments and you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    There’s one couple had 4 kids 2 single and the youngest 2 twins when the wife was 23, 24 and 25. And husband a year younger than the wife.

    Millionaires by the time the husband was 31. First house husband 25 wife 26. 3,500 sq ft swimming pool.

    And that couple went from middle class to top 5 percent. A lot of luck and economic trends and a business that was successful because it rode the economic booms. Plus excellent excellent lobbyists for that business. Couple really can’t brag about hard work. Just the right occupation at the right time. An occupation with powerful incredible lobbyists.

    Get off the internet Meet some real people. All this “ don’t have kids when you’re young” nonsense is a holdover from 1950s jumped up proles. And the 1950s 60s population control hysteria

    Have babies late be working to support kids into your 65-75. Like one of our lawyers. Had his last kid about 45. Worked till his early 70s to pay for college.

  164. @Hormeine Glandger
    @Reg Cæsar


    Charles Schumer supports legal abortion. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?
     
    Osama Bin Laden opposed communism. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    I’m with Patton. No one ever won a race war by giving his daughter choice. You give the other dumb bastard’s daughter choice.
     
    My daughter isn't gonna get an abortion because she isn't a slut and doesn't have an IQ of 75. As for the race issue, it's been pointed out to you before that blacks get abortions at a rate that is far higher than whites. That's a fact. I know you FEEL like banning abortion will nevertheless favor whites, but the facts don't care about your feelings.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Osama Bin Laden opposed communism. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?

    Osama didn’t oppose Communism in order to destroy us. (That’s what Islam is for.)

    Charles Schumer supports legal elective abortion precisely in order to destroy us. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

    As for the race issue, it’s been pointed out to you before that blacks get abortions at a rate that is far higher than whites.

    They also get pregnant and give birth at a higher rate. This has only gotten worse since 1973. Backup abortion encourages sluttery. Which is why Hugh Hefner was among the first to promote it. He and Ayn Rand.

    …the facts don’t care about your feelings.

    The history books don’t care about yours. We were a demographically healthier country before 1973. Forty-nine states with a white majority outlawed elective abortion until 1967. The legislature of one of the two or three states that legalized it since later passed a bill repealing it.

    Elective abortion is the enemy of white natalism. Which is our only hope for a future.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    If banning abortion was going to make women less slutty, shouldn't it be happening NOW? Instead you talk about 1973. I bet a lot of pro lifers never expected Roe to be repealed. They never thought their promises would be put to the test.

    "Elective abortion is the enemy of white trash natalism. Which is our only hope for a future."

    FIFY.

    , @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Abortion is a net benefit for white natalism. All nonwhite races of women have a higher abortion rate than white women (including, amazingly, even Asian women).

  165. @bomag
    @Corvinus

    LOL.

    So gen Z has been brainwashed into oblivion.

    They hold boutique political views that won't stand the test of time.

    Whatever your response, it doesn't change the fact that they have been essentially sterilized.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “So gen Z has been brainwashed into oblivion.”

    So you’re essentially saying millions of white people are easily duped. That’s blatantly anti white.

    “They hold boutique political views that won’t stand the test of time.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “Whatever your response, it doesn’t change the fact that they have been essentially sterilized”

    You mean your opinion.

  166. @Anon
    @SFG

    Obviously Conservatives aren't having kids when the most commom age in red state America is 57. You don't get the demographic nightmare scenario you see in America if people are having kids.

    Look at the chart Steve posted. Only 17% of Republicans age 18-25 have kids. Only 44% ages 25-30 do. Of the measely 55% of Repubs age 30-35yo who have a kid, they probably had one kid tops, and that chart included Trump hats and memes under its definition of 'kids'. Nobody is breeding anymore and the nightmare statistics that keep coming out year after year are proof of it, for some reason most Repubs are sleepwalking in to demographic oblivion when they should be angry as hell and foaming at the mouth.

    I guess the natural human tendency is to take the path of least resistance and controversy. Most repubs would rather be posers and fight the uphill battles the left wants them to fight, which they know they will always win, like immigration, rather than the one they are deaty afraid of: the persistent 50 years of infertility that is destroying everything.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @SFG

    How many white kids in your brood? If you don’t have at least five, you’re contributing mightily to the problem.

  167. @BosTex
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Could be: observationally (I have a very large extended family down my mother’s side; fairly large down my father’s side):

    -Republicans tend to make more Republicans.

    -Democrats tend to make more Democrats.

    I tend to think that the way you turn out is a mixture of genes and upbringing, but I was right wing, nationalistic and patriotic before I would have ever understood what those words mean.

    I think most people tend to form their political/ideological template fairly early, then backfill with information as they grow and develop.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Republicans tend to make more Republicans. Democrats tend to make more Democrats.”

    Not in the case of Gen Z. A considerable number of Gen Z come from Republican homes and do not share the views of their parents.

    “but I was right wing, nationalistic and patriotic before I would have ever understood what those words mean.”

    Now this is fascinating to me. So how did you know? When was this epiphany?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Corvinus

    A lot of politics is circumstantial. Having children generally makes you more conservative. Parents will always, in a normal environment, be more conservative than non-parents. What has changed over the past 50 years is that conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans have disappeared. Young people would no doubt be shocked how common those identities used to be.

  168. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Nature always wins - which is why Citizenism always loses. ;>)

    Also, let's start a "Steve wimping out" count.

    Days since Steve has refused to write about Kanye West and, shall we say, Jewish influence: Day 50.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Steve writes about traffic statistics.

    Seriously, Steve, just pick a side. If you think Jews running the show is best, just say so. I might disagree, but I'd respect your opinion. But refusing to even talk about it is just sad.

    That said, your readers don't seem to care, so why should you? Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn't it. Well, no one can say that you don't provide a service.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hormeine Glandger, @IHTG, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Anonymous

    Civic nationalism really is pure escapism, isn’t it. Well, no one can say that you don’t provide a service.

    The combination of civic nationalism and awareness of human biodiversity is the best path toward preserving a White majority. Steve is promoting both. Therefore, Steve is providing the best chance possible for a White majority.

  169. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Hormeine Glandger


    Osama Bin Laden opposed communism. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?
     
    Osama didn't oppose Communism in order to destroy us. (That's what Islam is for.)

    Charles Schumer supports legal elective abortion precisely in order to destroy us. He knows exactly what he's doing.


    As for the race issue, it’s been pointed out to you before that blacks get abortions at a rate that is far higher than whites.
     
    They also get pregnant and give birth at a higher rate. This has only gotten worse since 1973. Backup abortion encourages sluttery. Which is why Hugh Hefner was among the first to promote it. He and Ayn Rand.

    ...the facts don’t care about your feelings.
     
    The history books don't care about yours. We were a demographically healthier country before 1973. Forty-nine states with a white majority outlawed elective abortion until 1967. The legislature of one of the two or three states that legalized it since later passed a bill repealing it.

    Elective abortion is the enemy of white natalism. Which is our only hope for a future.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    If banning abortion was going to make women less slutty, shouldn’t it be happening NOW? Instead you talk about 1973. I bet a lot of pro lifers never expected Roe to be repealed. They never thought their promises would be put to the test.

    “Elective abortion is the enemy of white trash natalism. Which is our only hope for a future.”

    FIFY.

  170. @Reg Cæsar
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Tell us how you're going to enact A) strict regulation of firearms for minorities alongside a permissive policy for whites and B) strict regulation of abortion among whites alongside a permissive policy for minorities? As you claim, the same laws for everyone is illegitimate. That's "citizenism", and it has failed. Just like ex-Gov DeSantis.

    Steve starts with concentric circles beginning with one's own family. That's really the only basis for reform and regeneration. Stay home and breed. Identity will follow in time. At least Another Dad has a plan.

    Right now the only "identity" "uniting" "whites" is waving rainbow flags in the faces of Gulf Arabs. Is that a hill you want to die on?

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13DCF/production/_125295318_tracy2.jpg.webp


    https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/GettyImages-1445277950-1.jpeg?w=1581&h=1054&crop=1

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    CoaSC is basically a troll, as you say: repetitive like a bot, always negative, and without any ideas beyond vaguely wishing Whites to be more identitarian. Boring.

    However, you are at least as trollish by engaging in bizarro non sequiturs projecting your own compulsions:

    Tell us how you’re going to enact A) strict regulation of firearms for minorities alongside a permissive policy for whites and B) strict regulation of abortion among whites alongside a permissive policy for minorities?

    Neither A nor B negatively affects Whites more than other races, NAMs specifically. E.g., the proportionate (breeding age and fetal) attrition rate is far higher for Blacks than for Whites in the respective categories. Morality aside, from a strictly White identitarian point of view, your pacifist and Catholic concerns about guns and abortion are non sequiturs at best.

    Steve starts with concentric circles beginning with one’s own family.

    Steve’s outlook is simultaneously local, regional, and global. Are you not familiar with the World’s Most Important Graph?

    That’s really the only basis for reform and regeneration.

    You’re artificially limiting ameliorative actions; probably a projection of your pacifism.

    Stay home and breed. Identity will follow in time.

    If you’re breeding and have no preexisting identity, what exactly are you breeding?

    At least Another Dad has a plan.

    Correction: Like CoaSC, AnotherDad has a wish; I’ve never seen him articulate a plan. Maybe you have links to AD’s secret plan?

    Right now the only “identity” “uniting” “whites” is waving rainbow flags in the faces of Gulf Arabs.

    Er, that looks to be a small subset of “whites” that catches your fancy: You may be projecting yourself into that “whiteness” if you see all Whites as unified rainbow soccer twats.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    AnotherDad has a wish; I’ve never seen him articulate a plan.
     
    "Careful how you step on those pies, Epaminondas." Advance the wrong plan, and the Eye of Soros may fall upon you...

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  171. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hormeine Glandger


    Osama Bin Laden opposed communism. Why do you agree with him, if not for the same reasons?
     
    Osama didn't oppose Communism in order to destroy us. (That's what Islam is for.)

    Charles Schumer supports legal elective abortion precisely in order to destroy us. He knows exactly what he's doing.


    As for the race issue, it’s been pointed out to you before that blacks get abortions at a rate that is far higher than whites.
     
    They also get pregnant and give birth at a higher rate. This has only gotten worse since 1973. Backup abortion encourages sluttery. Which is why Hugh Hefner was among the first to promote it. He and Ayn Rand.

    ...the facts don’t care about your feelings.
     
    The history books don't care about yours. We were a demographically healthier country before 1973. Forty-nine states with a white majority outlawed elective abortion until 1967. The legislature of one of the two or three states that legalized it since later passed a bill repealing it.

    Elective abortion is the enemy of white natalism. Which is our only hope for a future.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    Abortion is a net benefit for white natalism. All nonwhite races of women have a higher abortion rate than white women (including, amazingly, even Asian women).

  172. @Anon
    @SFG

    Obviously Conservatives aren't having kids when the most commom age in red state America is 57. You don't get the demographic nightmare scenario you see in America if people are having kids.

    Look at the chart Steve posted. Only 17% of Republicans age 18-25 have kids. Only 44% ages 25-30 do. Of the measely 55% of Repubs age 30-35yo who have a kid, they probably had one kid tops, and that chart included Trump hats and memes under its definition of 'kids'. Nobody is breeding anymore and the nightmare statistics that keep coming out year after year are proof of it, for some reason most Repubs are sleepwalking in to demographic oblivion when they should be angry as hell and foaming at the mouth.

    I guess the natural human tendency is to take the path of least resistance and controversy. Most repubs would rather be posers and fight the uphill battles the left wants them to fight, which they know they will always win, like immigration, rather than the one they are deaty afraid of: the persistent 50 years of infertility that is destroying everything.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @SFG

    I agree, but for affordable family formation you would have to raise wages and either subsidize college or somehow make it unnecessary for white collar jobs, the first two of which would be unpopular with the big donors and the third of which I have no clue how you would do. A big reason people don’t have kids is debt and cost of living.

    Yes immigration decreases wages and raises housing prices but it is not the whole story.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @SFG

    Who the heck says family formation needs to be affordable?

    Black women have done just fine to have kids. and they make way less money.

    Hispanic women did even better and had way less money than Anglo women.

    Children aren't unaffordable. They cost next to nothing., especially for what they put out (y'know, a FUTURE).

    I know one thing for sure: children cost less than the trashy hobbies that most people seem content to waste their lives on. They cost way less than all those D collections, DVDs collecting dust in the living room, motorcycles, guns, decks, etc.

    The fertility problem is not a problem of money, but attitude and culture. Permissive culture allows people to do whatever they want, and no white woman wants to get pregnant.

    That's why everywhere it's been tried -- Hungary, Japan, Italy, Sweden, etc, "buy a baby" government policy has failed. You can't pay people to have kids if that's not something they're actively trying to do. And it isn't.

    You would have a better chance of making people have kids but shutting the schools down, and eliminating the white collar industry in particular.

    It's not money it's messed up priorities in people's personal lives and a culture that tolerates childlessness and slow life strategies.

  173. @Corvinus
    @BosTex

    “Republicans tend to make more Republicans. Democrats tend to make more Democrats.”

    Not in the case of Gen Z. A considerable number of Gen Z come from Republican homes and do not share the views of their parents.

    “but I was right wing, nationalistic and patriotic before I would have ever understood what those words mean.”

    Now this is fascinating to me. So how did you know? When was this epiphany?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    A lot of politics is circumstantial. Having children generally makes you more conservative. Parents will always, in a normal environment, be more conservative than non-parents. What has changed over the past 50 years is that conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans have disappeared. Young people would no doubt be shocked how common those identities used to be.

  174. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    CoaSC is basically a troll, as you say: repetitive like a bot, always negative, and without any ideas beyond vaguely wishing Whites to be more identitarian. Boring.

    However, you are at least as trollish by engaging in bizarro non sequiturs projecting your own compulsions:


    Tell us how you’re going to enact A) strict regulation of firearms for minorities alongside a permissive policy for whites and B) strict regulation of abortion among whites alongside a permissive policy for minorities?
     
    Neither A nor B negatively affects Whites more than other races, NAMs specifically. E.g., the proportionate (breeding age and fetal) attrition rate is far higher for Blacks than for Whites in the respective categories. Morality aside, from a strictly White identitarian point of view, your pacifist and Catholic concerns about guns and abortion are non sequiturs at best.

    Steve starts with concentric circles beginning with one’s own family.
     
    Steve’s outlook is simultaneously local, regional, and global. Are you not familiar with the World’s Most Important Graph?

    That’s really the only basis for reform and regeneration.
     
    You’re artificially limiting ameliorative actions; probably a projection of your pacifism.

    Stay home and breed. Identity will follow in time.
     
    If you’re breeding and have no preexisting identity, what exactly are you breeding?

    At least Another Dad has a plan.
     
    Correction: Like CoaSC, AnotherDad has a wish; I’ve never seen him articulate a plan. Maybe you have links to AD’s secret plan?

    Right now the only “identity” “uniting” “whites” is waving rainbow flags in the faces of Gulf Arabs.
     
    Er, that looks to be a small subset of “whites” that catches your fancy: You may be projecting yourself into that “whiteness” if you see all Whites as unified rainbow soccer twats.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    AnotherDad has a wish; I’ve never seen him articulate a plan.

    “Careful how you step on those pies, Epaminondas.” Advance the wrong plan, and the Eye of Soros may fall upon you…

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Veteran Aryan


    Advance the wrong plan, and the Eye of Soros may fall upon you…
     
    Then AD is safe in that sense; he has put forth no plan. :)
  175. @Veteran Aryan
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    AnotherDad has a wish; I’ve never seen him articulate a plan.
     
    "Careful how you step on those pies, Epaminondas." Advance the wrong plan, and the Eye of Soros may fall upon you...

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Advance the wrong plan, and the Eye of Soros may fall upon you…

    Then AD is safe in that sense; he has put forth no plan. 🙂

  176. Anon[886] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @Anon

    I agree, but for affordable family formation you would have to raise wages and either subsidize college or somehow make it unnecessary for white collar jobs, the first two of which would be unpopular with the big donors and the third of which I have no clue how you would do. A big reason people don’t have kids is debt and cost of living.

    Yes immigration decreases wages and raises housing prices but it is not the whole story.

    Replies: @Anon

    Who the heck says family formation needs to be affordable?

    Black women have done just fine to have kids. and they make way less money.

    Hispanic women did even better and had way less money than Anglo women.

    Children aren’t unaffordable. They cost next to nothing., especially for what they put out (y’know, a FUTURE).

    I know one thing for sure: children cost less than the trashy hobbies that most people seem content to waste their lives on. They cost way less than all those D collections, DVDs collecting dust in the living room, motorcycles, guns, decks, etc.

    The fertility problem is not a problem of money, but attitude and culture. Permissive culture allows people to do whatever they want, and no white woman wants to get pregnant.

    That’s why everywhere it’s been tried — Hungary, Japan, Italy, Sweden, etc, “buy a baby” government policy has failed. You can’t pay people to have kids if that’s not something they’re actively trying to do. And it isn’t.

    You would have a better chance of making people have kids but shutting the schools down, and eliminating the white collar industry in particular.

    It’s not money it’s messed up priorities in people’s personal lives and a culture that tolerates childlessness and slow life strategies.

  177. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Irish Romantic Christian

    And, yet, ironically, I'm the one being honest.

    Regardless, you have a point, a point that I addressed (not that you noticed). Steve could simply say that he'd love to write about West and the small hats, but he'd prefer not getting sued by the ADL.

    But he doesn't because even a little joke like that is taking a side.

    Also, what exactly is Steve afraid of. Ron Unz wouldn't care. West and Trump won't care.

    Only one group would actually go after him, which, again, should tell you something. Of course, Steve may have other reasons for avoiding the story.

    Maybe he's on the side of usual suspects but doesn't want his readers to know. Maybe he has a couple of mega donors who wear very small hats. Maybe he's afraid of getting kicked out of the pundits' club.

    Who knows. What I do know is that he's not avoiding the story because it's less interesting than traffic statistics.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    Maybe Steve feels like this issue is adequately covered at Unz and he has a comparative advantage focusing on other topics.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @EdwardM

    Evidently, there's a mentally ill rapper, the guy who invaded the stage when Taylor Swift won some award rather than Beyonce. I think he was married to a Kardashian. I can't recall ever hearing any of his music.

    Replies: @EdwardM, @Rob, @Corvinus

  178. @EdwardM
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Maybe Steve feels like this issue is adequately covered at Unz and he has a comparative advantage focusing on other topics.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Evidently, there’s a mentally ill rapper, the guy who invaded the stage when Taylor Swift won some award rather than Beyonce. I think he was married to a Kardashian. I can’t recall ever hearing any of his music.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Steve Sailer

    Touche. I now know as much as you do.

    , @Rob
    @Steve Sailer

    Is the Kardashian still with Kanye? I think she and Meghan Markle should fight it out for President.

    That rightists have/had any fondness or hope for Kanye really shows how no celebs or artists are anything other than prog hive mind.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    You don’t talk about the JQ because you don’t want to come off as an extremist. It fits your profile to be cagey. Besides, there’s dog food you have to buy. But in the end, it’s more than likely you tend to agree with this “Jews are the scourge of the earth” narrative. But that’s not polite to openly say.

  179. @Steve Sailer
    @EdwardM

    Evidently, there's a mentally ill rapper, the guy who invaded the stage when Taylor Swift won some award rather than Beyonce. I think he was married to a Kardashian. I can't recall ever hearing any of his music.

    Replies: @EdwardM, @Rob, @Corvinus

    Touche. I now know as much as you do.

  180. @Steve Sailer
    @EdwardM

    Evidently, there's a mentally ill rapper, the guy who invaded the stage when Taylor Swift won some award rather than Beyonce. I think he was married to a Kardashian. I can't recall ever hearing any of his music.

    Replies: @EdwardM, @Rob, @Corvinus

    Is the Kardashian still with Kanye? I think she and Meghan Markle should fight it out for President.

    That rightists have/had any fondness or hope for Kanye really shows how no celebs or artists are anything other than prog hive mind.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Rob

    “That rightists have/had any fondness or hope for Kanye really shows how no celebs or artists are anything other than prog hive mind.“

    He’s their house n—- They certainly don’t want him to marry their adult age daughters or live amongst them as a neighbor. So long as Kanye is a chaos agent, Republicans/conservatives will gleefully support him.

  181. @Steve Sailer
    @EdwardM

    Evidently, there's a mentally ill rapper, the guy who invaded the stage when Taylor Swift won some award rather than Beyonce. I think he was married to a Kardashian. I can't recall ever hearing any of his music.

    Replies: @EdwardM, @Rob, @Corvinus

    You don’t talk about the JQ because you don’t want to come off as an extremist. It fits your profile to be cagey. Besides, there’s dog food you have to buy. But in the end, it’s more than likely you tend to agree with this “Jews are the scourge of the earth” narrative. But that’s not polite to openly say.

  182. @Rob
    @Steve Sailer

    Is the Kardashian still with Kanye? I think she and Meghan Markle should fight it out for President.

    That rightists have/had any fondness or hope for Kanye really shows how no celebs or artists are anything other than prog hive mind.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “That rightists have/had any fondness or hope for Kanye really shows how no celebs or artists are anything other than prog hive mind.“

    He’s their house n—- They certainly don’t want him to marry their adult age daughters or live amongst them as a neighbor. So long as Kanye is a chaos agent, Republicans/conservatives will gleefully support him.

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