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For several months, I’ve been pointing out how the anti-Israel BDS movement among California student politicians represents a nascent Frankenstein’s Monster for Jewish interests and their traditional strategies of promoting immigration and diversity uber alles. In a country where two percent of the population make up over 30% of the Forbes 400, fomenting a War on Privilege might not be such a good idea these days. From the Jewish Daily Forward:
Sheldon Adelson To Host Secret Anti-BDS Summit for Jewish Donors
Nathan Guttman June 1, 2015
Washington – Leading Jewish mega-donors have summoned pro-Israel activists for a closed-door meeting in Las Vegas to establish, and fund, successful strategies for countering the wave of anti-Israel activity on college campuses.
The meeting, taking place this weekend, will be hosted by casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson and was organized by several other top Jewish funders, including Hollywood entertainment mogul Haim Saban, Israeli-born real-estate developer Adam Milstein and Canadian businesswoman Heather Reisman.
… Saban, a Los Angeles billionaire who is also a major Democratic donor with close ties to the Clintons, has been discussing the idea for more than a year, one source with firsthand information of the initiative said. Saban has spoken to Israeli officials, including the former ambassador to Washington Michael Oren and top officials in the Israeli foreign ministry, about setting up a special task force to deal with increased calls on campuses to adopt measures of boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel, measures commonly referred to as BDS.
According to an official in the Jewish community, it was another California philanthropist of Israeli background, Milstein, who put together the initiative. He got mega-donor Adelson and Reisman, who in recent years has been increasingly involved in initiatives to support Israel, on board. …
Campus activity has been among the fastest-growing fields in Jewish organizations. Most major groups, including the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the ADL and the American Jewish Committee, have set up operations geared at students, alongside groups whose main focus has always been campus activity, such as Hillel and ICC. Yet despite the growth in pro-Israel activism, pro-Palestinian-driven protests and resolutions have been on the rise. The past year has seen a record number of 15 universities adopt resolutions demanding divestiture of college funds from Israel.
It would be interesting to find out what they decide upon:
– Invest more heavily in the blacklist of pro-BDS activists?
– Double down on promoting Jews as the biggest victimized group ever?
– Or start to tone down the valorization of victimhood and minorityhood as being, in 21st Century America, not so good for the Jews anymore?
Sheldon would never go for it because it might mean paying a few bucks per hour more to his hotel maids, but maybe some of these guys might want to fund, say, a new Samuel Gompers Institute for the American People (immigrant David Frum would be a good choice to lead it) to let media types know that not all Jews are on the side of endless mass immigration and that, therefore, being concerned about the current citizens of America and our posterity isn’t anti-Semitic.
Saban has spoken to Israeli officials, including the former ambassador to Washington Michael Oren and top officials in the Israeli foreign ministry
Haha, these guys. So impressed by anybody in Israel they can find who speaks with an American accent. And the foreign ministry, an increasingly powerless, decapitated organization.
I’d appreciate a lot more light on the secret meetings of the self-styled Democracy Alliance, but that could just be me….
With all due respect, why should anyone care what you would appreciate? "Secret" is a dog whistle. The accurate word is private.
Who do they give money to? There are fewer Jews on college campuses simply as a matter of demographics.
“Sheldon would never go for it because it might mean paying a few bucks per hour more to his hotel maids, but maybe some of these guys might want to fund, say, a new Samuel Gompers Institute for the American People to let media types know that not all Jews are on the side of endless mass immigration and that, therefore, being concerned about the current citizens of America and our posterity isn’t anti-Semitic.”
In your dreams and mine, Steve!
The liberal types see themselves as being on the side of progress and the underprivileged, which definitely means poor Mexicans, who after all are poorer than poor Americans (and are much more likely to vote Democrat when they get in). Plus there’s the whole ‘if we are pro-white then we are like the Nazis’.
Most likely they’ll gin up a few ultimately ineffective pro-Israeli media campaigns. But they don’t control the Internet, so it won’t be too effective. The new, browner social justice warriors will have no problems going after Israel.
The long-term effects of this I don’t know. Large-scale Jewish defection to the Republicans? Possible over the long term, but unlikely to help us on immigration. Manipulation to keep the Democrats in their camp? More likely IMHO–not enough people outside college campuses care that much about Palestine.
In August 2006, as a result of differing reactions by the two main Canadian political parties to the 2006 Lebanon War, Reisman announced that she and husband Gerry Schwartz would be joining Robert Lantos in withdrawing their longtime support for the Liberal Party of Canada and supporting the Conservative Party of Canada under Stephen Harper.Replies: @Anonymous
I don’t think there can be stronger proof that BDS works.
It will be a combo of one and two:
1- “Expand their blacklist of pro-BDS activists?”:
Stick: Put the hammer down.Make sure that they know that there is no percentage in going after Israel.Do that, and , well, watch the grant/donation money dry up, no more invitations to fancy conferences, no jobs at foundations/universities/think tanks after you graduate from uni, etc
Carrot: But, hey, if you want to organize pro-Gay rights boycotts against Russia, campaign for legalization of illegal aliens in the USA/Europe (definitely not Israel), etc, here’s a fat wad of cash.
2- “Double down on promoting Jews as the biggest victimized group ever?”:
And make sure that everyone knows that WASPs/Christian Europeans are the real enemy.And that Jews have been/always will be the biggest victim in history.So, remember, just because people like the Pritzker family look White, they’re only kinda-sorta White.I mean, come on, their grandfather (or maybe it’s their great-grandfather) couldn’t even get into the Porcellian!
. . . and some other Catholics, no doubt.
With all due respect, why should anyone care what you would appreciate? “Secret” is a dog whistle. The accurate word is private.
Maybe Saban and Adelson could hire Louis CK to do a college campus tour celebrating Israel, Jewishness, La Raza Cósmica* (of which he is a part) and smug hipsterism. Call it “Louis CK’s Cosmic Race Rap Session” and make it all, like, ironically sincere.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza_C%C3%B3smica
In the data, Jews are more against immigration than for it.
1. Jewish-Americans’ responses on immigration: 50% too high, 5% too low, 22% just right, 23% not sure. So we can’t say Jews are for immigration, but we can say 27% of Jews are (5% too low + 22% just right).
We could say many Jewish elites are for immigration. But so are many Gentile elites, with 99.25% (397) of the Forbes 400 failing to voice an opinion against immigration, so if we want to be scientific, “elites” is the predictive quality, not “Jews.”
2. In the 2015 UK elections, Jews voted at a higher rate for Conservative and UKIP party candidates than any other religious affiliation, even higher than Anglicans.
Judaism – 57.9%
Anglican – 57.6%
Methodist – 50.5%
Baptist – 48.2%
Brethren – 46.2%
Roman Catholic – 42.4%
Free Presbyterian – 39.1%
None – 39.1%
Buddhism – 38.2%
Hinduism – 37.1%
Other – 35%
United Reform Church – 34.7%
Presbyterian/Church of Scotland – 32.2%
Sikhism – 21.3%
Islam – 15.7%
Eric Zemmour probably represents Jewish-Europeans’ perspective shift more than we realize.
(Hat tip to commenter Mark Minter. His comment here a few weeks ago received no attention.)
The traditional religious Jews don't give a hoot about tikkun olam, social justice, healing the world and other liberal nonsense. The less contact they have with goyim, the better. Fighting for the Jewish state is not high on their agenda, either. Consider Neturei Karta, for instance. To them, the idea of a Jewish state is blasphemy, pure and simple. And they are baby - making fools.Replies: @IHTG
I applaud you for pointing this out, and for a lot of other things you say in this regard.Replies: @Southfarthing
Off topic, but what the heck:
The case for why Baltimore should pay murderous residents not to kill
Heather Reisman is already out in front.
In August 2006, as a result of differing reactions by the two main Canadian political parties to the 2006 Lebanon War, Reisman announced that she and husband Gerry Schwartz would be joining Robert Lantos in withdrawing their longtime support for the Liberal Party of Canada and supporting the Conservative Party of Canada under Stephen Harper.
Despite all the training and enthusiasm jews just can't compete in the victim olympics. They will always be seen as white from below.
It seems so obvious...It's beyond strange that they weren't able to see this coming.Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous
Slightly OT, but the late Jon Kest wanted to use 2 % rather 1 % when they were organizing Occupy Wall Street out of 2 Nevins Street in Brooklyn.
Someone might have clued him in as to why 2 % might be problematic, as they say.
Here’s Norman Finkelstein on the BDS cult:
http://www.thenation.com/article/180492/israel-palestine-and-bds#
The case for why Baltimore should pay murderous residents not to killReplies: @Steve Sailer
Sounds like Wolfe’s “Mau-Mauing the Flak-Catchers” just 45 years later.
1. Jewish-Americans' responses on immigration: 50% too high, 5% too low, 22% just right, 23% not sure. So we can't say Jews are for immigration, but we can say 27% of Jews are (5% too low + 22% just right).
We could say many Jewish elites are for immigration. But so are many Gentile elites, with 99.25% (397) of the Forbes 400 failing to voice an opinion against immigration, so if we want to be scientific, "elites" is the predictive quality, not "Jews."
2. In the 2015 UK elections, Jews voted at a higher rate for Conservative and UKIP party candidates than any other religious affiliation, even higher than Anglicans.
Judaism – 57.9%
Anglican – 57.6%
Methodist – 50.5%
Baptist – 48.2%
Brethren – 46.2%
Roman Catholic – 42.4%
Free Presbyterian – 39.1%
None – 39.1%
Buddhism – 38.2%
Hinduism – 37.1%
Other – 35%
United Reform Church – 34.7%
Presbyterian/Church of Scotland – 32.2%
Sikhism – 21.3%
Islam – 15.7%
Eric Zemmour probably represents Jewish-Europeans' perspective shift more than we realize.
(Hat tip to commenter Mark Minter. His comment here a few weeks ago received no attention.)Replies: @IHTG, @Big Bill, @Harold, @Luke Lea
That’s actually a pre-election poll from 2014.
Any suggestion of rapprochement between Jews and evil, envious, hate-filled, racist, and sexually stunted goy honkies is at best premature, at worst delusional. Jews cannot, and perhaps should not overlook our common blood-drenched past. How could they forget American Brownshirts viciously, sadistically keeping them out of their private clubs? How can they overcome nightmares of surviving hellhole ghettos like Pacific Palisades, Great Neck, and Palm Beach?
If they do, this time they pay through the nose. We weren’t put on earth to protect Jews – so what’s in it for us? No more storming the beach and getting kicked in the teeth as thanks a few years down the road. Show us the cash, Izzy.
To be accurate what was the “Jewish Daily Forward” has removed ‘Jewish’ from its title on its website and is now just ‘Forward’.
While I doubt it will ever call itself ‘Caitlyn’ its’s certainly in a period of transition.
Maybe some of the commenters here can upgrade their status to article writers (I am assuming)
1. Jewish-Americans' responses on immigration: 50% too high, 5% too low, 22% just right, 23% not sure. So we can't say Jews are for immigration, but we can say 27% of Jews are (5% too low + 22% just right).
We could say many Jewish elites are for immigration. But so are many Gentile elites, with 99.25% (397) of the Forbes 400 failing to voice an opinion against immigration, so if we want to be scientific, "elites" is the predictive quality, not "Jews."
2. In the 2015 UK elections, Jews voted at a higher rate for Conservative and UKIP party candidates than any other religious affiliation, even higher than Anglicans.
Judaism – 57.9%
Anglican – 57.6%
Methodist – 50.5%
Baptist – 48.2%
Brethren – 46.2%
Roman Catholic – 42.4%
Free Presbyterian – 39.1%
None – 39.1%
Buddhism – 38.2%
Hinduism – 37.1%
Other – 35%
United Reform Church – 34.7%
Presbyterian/Church of Scotland – 32.2%
Sikhism – 21.3%
Islam – 15.7%
Eric Zemmour probably represents Jewish-Europeans' perspective shift more than we realize.
(Hat tip to commenter Mark Minter. His comment here a few weeks ago received no attention.)Replies: @IHTG, @Big Bill, @Harold, @Luke Lea
I expect the Jewish vote is very bimodal. You have the ultra religious Jews and the liberal Jews, each with very polarized life styles and beliefs. if there are many Jews in Europe and England voting conservative, they are probably more isolationist, conservative, religious Jews.
The traditional religious Jews don’t give a hoot about tikkun olam, social justice, healing the world and other liberal nonsense. The less contact they have with goyim, the better. Fighting for the Jewish state is not high on their agenda, either. Consider Neturei Karta, for instance. To them, the idea of a Jewish state is blasphemy, pure and simple. And they are baby – making fools.
“It would be interesting to find out what they decide upon”
More WWG/T
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/caitlyn-jenner-bruce-cover-annie-leibovitz
Someone might have clued him in as to why 2 % might be problematic, as they say.
Here's Norman Finkelstein on the BDS cult:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol8xhTySKfMReplies: @MLK
Thanks for posting that link. Here’s Chomsky on the BDS nonsense:
http://www.thenation.com/article/180492/israel-palestine-and-bds#
If the Jew Bernie Sanders won the Democratic primaries and promised to lock up all business owners who prefer to hire Illegals over American born citizens or at least fine them millions/billions of dollars, it would be the first time in my life that I would ever decide to vote for a Democrat over a Republican in a presidential election. If Bernie Sanders hates unregulated crony capitalism as much as he claims he does, that he should go to to war with greedy capitalist businessmen who prefer to hire Illegals over Americans because they can pay them less.
Neither blacks, nor poor Latino immigrants have much to do with BDS. BDS activists are: kids of liberal Jews;
kids of Arab or Palestinian immigrants (mostly professional); kids of pro-peace in Israel/Palestine WASPs (like my daughter: Steve has met her!) Steve wants the pro-Israel Jews to act like American patriots in their own (Israeli) self-interest, but BDS sentiment doesn’t really come from widespread diversity. Regular old native American liberals, (and some patriotic conservatives) have a problem with Israeli actions too.
As for Hispanic students/academics......Does anyone care what they think about anything?
Steve, you won’t get Jewish support by pointing out this. If it comes to the point of choosing between Israel and “diversity uber alles”, American Jews will throw their Red tribe cousins under the Palestinian bus.
kids of Arab or Palestinian immigrants (mostly professional); kids of pro-peace in Israel/Palestine WASPs (like my daughter: Steve has met her!) Steve wants the pro-Israel Jews to act like American patriots in their own (Israeli) self-interest, but BDS sentiment doesn't really come from widespread diversity. Regular old native American liberals, (and some patriotic conservatives) have a problem with Israeli actions too.Replies: @syonredux
Well, in terms of sentiment/emotion they seem to be in favor of it.All of the Black students/academics that I have discussed the issue with are strongly in favor of BDS. They just don’t prioritize it. After all, it doesn’t really concern Blacks directly, and Blacks are usually only motivated by Black issues.
As for Hispanic students/academics……Does anyone care what they think about anything?
In August 2006, as a result of differing reactions by the two main Canadian political parties to the 2006 Lebanon War, Reisman announced that she and husband Gerry Schwartz would be joining Robert Lantos in withdrawing their longtime support for the Liberal Party of Canada and supporting the Conservative Party of Canada under Stephen Harper.Replies: @Anonymous
Jews are turning Conservative…this is what will play out in the UK and US as well…all the left wing parties are gradually turning brown – their views toward Israel are not going to be favorable.
Despite all the training and enthusiasm jews just can’t compete in the victim olympics. They will always be seen as white from below.
It seems so obvious…It’s beyond strange that they weren’t able to see this coming.
Flash: The Stupid Party prepares to double down on Stupid!!!
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/29/cruz-no-federal-money-for-schools-that-boycott-israel/
I think this answers Steve’s questions as to what options Jewish Elites are going to take. They are addicted to chutzpuh and the idea they they are going to wake up one day stone cold sober and embrace a WASP sense of noblesse oblige or “citizenism” cold turkey is absurd.
What form will this chilling retrenchment take?
Women and the diverse hardest hit?
I’ve never paid too much attention to the BDS movement because I thought it was insignificant. However, if Adelson and company are getting so worked up about it that they are having this conference, then I might have been mistaken. Is the BDS movement actually working? Is it potentially turning into something akin to the South Africa boycott movement of the 1980s? Like I said, I don’t know much about it, but if the big guns like Adelson are getting this worked up, maybe the BDS movement isn’t a joke after all.
That’s great. We couldn’t, or wouldn’t, withdraw federal money from colleges that threw ROTC off their campus. But on this…
I’m no fan of the immigration lobby, but you would not have been better off facing a united Nazi Europe in 1970.
Even if he hadn’t won, there likely would have been a few more tens of millions of dead people as Russia defeated him on their own. And forget the nice, peaceful EU; the whole place would look like postwar Poland.
Just because he killed a bunch of people you don’t like doesn’t mean Hitler would have been good for Western Civ.
It’s not a joke, but it’s not going to be as effective as the anti-apartheid movement was in forcing the suicide of South Africa.
What they really ought to do is link up with you alt-righters. Of course a lot of you dislike brown people almost as much as Jews (not that I blame you…), and with mainstream conservatives that’s reversed, so I see a lot of problems with that alliance.
I’m not so sure. I really can’t tell which way this is going to go.
Perhaps they could somehow enlist the services of Caitlyn Jenner.
1. Jewish-Americans' responses on immigration: 50% too high, 5% too low, 22% just right, 23% not sure. So we can't say Jews are for immigration, but we can say 27% of Jews are (5% too low + 22% just right).
We could say many Jewish elites are for immigration. But so are many Gentile elites, with 99.25% (397) of the Forbes 400 failing to voice an opinion against immigration, so if we want to be scientific, "elites" is the predictive quality, not "Jews."
2. In the 2015 UK elections, Jews voted at a higher rate for Conservative and UKIP party candidates than any other religious affiliation, even higher than Anglicans.
Judaism – 57.9%
Anglican – 57.6%
Methodist – 50.5%
Baptist – 48.2%
Brethren – 46.2%
Roman Catholic – 42.4%
Free Presbyterian – 39.1%
None – 39.1%
Buddhism – 38.2%
Hinduism – 37.1%
Other – 35%
United Reform Church – 34.7%
Presbyterian/Church of Scotland – 32.2%
Sikhism – 21.3%
Islam – 15.7%
Eric Zemmour probably represents Jewish-Europeans' perspective shift more than we realize.
(Hat tip to commenter Mark Minter. His comment here a few weeks ago received no attention.)Replies: @IHTG, @Big Bill, @Harold, @Luke Lea
What percentage of British Jews are in the “none” category with regards to religious affiliation?
Opposing Israel’s land grabs might improve attitudes toward the country.
Quite correct.Jews are vastly more powerful than Afrikaners.And Arabs don’t have the potent Martyr Mojo that Blacks have going for them.And, of course, the Israelis only have to glance at what’s happened to South Africa if any of them start feeling liberal twinges, so their asabiyya will stay strong.
Despite all the training and enthusiasm jews just can't compete in the victim olympics. They will always be seen as white from below.
It seems so obvious...It's beyond strange that they weren't able to see this coming.Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous
They have seen it coming. That’s what Neo-Cons are.
The Samuel Gompers Institute for the American People — I like that. Gompers was also good on the problems caused by new labor-saving technologies: he proposed that the hours of labor be reduced commensurately, which was an important part of the case for an eight-hour day. Even though there have been a lot of new labor-saving technologies introduced into the American workplace since the eight-hour day was finally enshrined into federal law in the Fair Labor Standards Ace of 1937, I find it curious that there has been no movement for further reductions. For example, in this era in which many mothers and fathers both work full-time outside the home, a family-friendly six-hour day makes a lot of sense: give Mom and Dad time to get home and put some supper on the table instead of eating out at McDonalds or ordering pizza from Dominos.
Yeah, I would like to see Saban, Adelson et al punching down on the heads of those BDS lefties, anarchists and Muslims. On some campuses Jews are endlessly harassed. UC Davis is one and it is Muslimville over there. I get the impression that UC Davis is the place to be if you are a young California Muslim. For the Muslim social scene etc.
I believe Jews going conservative when I see it in the exit polls. I worked with a lot of Jews and all but one were as liberal as you can get. Then they got in their Mercedes and drove back to Los Altos.
Neo-cons have supported immigration…though I’ve seen Kristol and Frum turn against it, so who knows?
1. Jewish-Americans' responses on immigration: 50% too high, 5% too low, 22% just right, 23% not sure. So we can't say Jews are for immigration, but we can say 27% of Jews are (5% too low + 22% just right).
We could say many Jewish elites are for immigration. But so are many Gentile elites, with 99.25% (397) of the Forbes 400 failing to voice an opinion against immigration, so if we want to be scientific, "elites" is the predictive quality, not "Jews."
2. In the 2015 UK elections, Jews voted at a higher rate for Conservative and UKIP party candidates than any other religious affiliation, even higher than Anglicans.
Judaism – 57.9%
Anglican – 57.6%
Methodist – 50.5%
Baptist – 48.2%
Brethren – 46.2%
Roman Catholic – 42.4%
Free Presbyterian – 39.1%
None – 39.1%
Buddhism – 38.2%
Hinduism – 37.1%
Other – 35%
United Reform Church – 34.7%
Presbyterian/Church of Scotland – 32.2%
Sikhism – 21.3%
Islam – 15.7%
Eric Zemmour probably represents Jewish-Europeans' perspective shift more than we realize.
(Hat tip to commenter Mark Minter. His comment here a few weeks ago received no attention.)Replies: @IHTG, @Big Bill, @Harold, @Luke Lea
“In the data, Jews are more against immigration than for it.”
I applaud you for pointing this out, and for a lot of other things you say in this regard.
For those of us who have the temperament of sheepdogs, it'd feel like a moral failure to not defend members of the community.
I wish more people here understood that things get accomplished in the real world only by getting people's incentives aligned. That's especially true when the people in question are people like Feynman.
Not only that, but most corporate employees work more than 8 hours, and don’t get overtime for it. I’d start by enforcing an 8 hour workday for them, with time and a half over that. The only exemption should be for those who own >1% of the company.
There is a race-to-the-bottom aspect of current economic policies that is difficult to unwind, and employees will be squeezed all around through lower incomes and more debt. When we hand over de facto control of parts of our patrimony to Chinese, Indian and other foreign governments or companies, we should not expect a happy ending.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
And the conservatives will just keep right on kissing Adelson’s wrinkled ass.
“Everything popular is wrong.”
Rank and file Jews may oppose immigration more than they are for it. But, they don’t matter. It’s the power players or elites that matter and they are almost unanimous in supporting 3rd world immigration in the U.S.
As for the BDS movement, it’s just in it’s baby stages. Give them another 5 or so years to win over more blacks(who don’t like Jews to begin with for the screwing over they’ve gotten from them in the music and entertainment businesses, not to mention slavery) and the more militant the black the more they hate Jews. Hispanics don’t matter at the moment, but white Lefties do. They’re coming out of college with a hate towards Israel and the Jews.
Not good for a group that is incapable of defending itself(they’ve always seen that job for the now- vanishing white Goys to do).
Restricting employee hours or paying overtime would likely result in some more job offshoring to lower-cost countries, perhaps with more stateside H1-B action.
There is a race-to-the-bottom aspect of current economic policies that is difficult to unwind, and employees will be squeezed all around through lower incomes and more debt. When we hand over de facto control of parts of our patrimony to Chinese, Indian and other foreign governments or companies, we should not expect a happy ending.
Bill Gates argued in favor of low wages recently, arguing that if wages went too high, it would increase automation more and eliminate jobs. But why are jobs, per se, more important than, say, median wages? If the median American wage doubled and the number of full time jobs dropped by half, would that be terrible? Wives (or house husbands) could stay home with the kids while their spouses earned enough for both of them.Replies: @Ivy
There is a race-to-the-bottom aspect of current economic policies that is difficult to unwind, and employees will be squeezed all around through lower incomes and more debt. When we hand over de facto control of parts of our patrimony to Chinese, Indian and other foreign governments or companies, we should not expect a happy ending.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
I don’t think so, because anything that could have been outsourced has already been outsourced.
Bill Gates argued in favor of low wages recently, arguing that if wages went too high, it would increase automation more and eliminate jobs. But why are jobs, per se, more important than, say, median wages? If the median American wage doubled and the number of full time jobs dropped by half, would that be terrible? Wives (or house husbands) could stay home with the kids while their spouses earned enough for both of them.
Bill Gates argued in favor of low wages recently, arguing that if wages went too high, it would increase automation more and eliminate jobs. But why are jobs, per se, more important than, say, median wages? If the median American wage doubled and the number of full time jobs dropped by half, would that be terrible? Wives (or house husbands) could stay home with the kids while their spouses earned enough for both of them.Replies: @Ivy
I expect more outsourcing of services, as there are 2B+ Chinese and Indians, to pick among the more educated of the BRICS competitors, ready for more or better employment. They get the upside with developing middle classes, or at least fewer lower classes, and we see more income stagnation.
Any job that does not require a local person (e.g., haircuts) is a candidate. Competitors will just drink our milkshake, and not leave a tip. They have their own constituents to handle.
Japan is robotizing to offset their demographic challenge. Expect Italy and other shrinking European countries to follow suit. Russia should consider that, but is going all-in on resources and their Asian play. At some point, they’ll realize that they don’t have the human capital to compete.
Jobs keep societies more stable. People tolerate more when they are employed, but the Gates and other plans are just sleight of hand to disguise what is self-inflicted downscaling. Young people scramble to get educations, with a lot of debt for degraded degrees and more volatile worldwide competition. No wonder surveys show that they have less faith than their elders, in religion, government and media. Combine that with the record numbers of Americans no longer bothering to try to work, and that is just saying that people do not believe in the systems and institutions that are presented. Inviting in millions of uneducated Mexicans isn’t going to make anything better for the citizenry. They will just see more downward income pressures and higher taxes.
Good to see you imbecile rednecks still clucking about “da Jews”, while your WASP
paradise is slowly dying… Tell me: Between all you Ron Paul imbeciles and Ezra Pound rednecks on one hand, and Sheldon Adelson on the other, who actually employs more Americans and pays more taxes? … I suppose Jew envy is the one thing natural selection can not take away from you Christian and Muslim losers.
The real question is not what strategy they choose but whether it will be successful. I’m guessing it will be a failure. Blacks and Hispanics are not like whites, easily brow-beaten and cowed into silence through verbal trickery. Both groups have a visceral, if not intellectual, dislike for Jews. Whining about the Holocaust will get you absolutely 0 sympathy from these so-called “minorities,” who will reflexively side with the darker-skinned people (e.g., Arabs) in all realistic situations. Once again the Jews (or Jewish leadership, whatever) have created a golem that poses a real threat to their own interests.
Awhile back Steve posted an interesting graph from a survey done in the early 20th century about regional attitudes towards Jews which showed that pro-Jewish sentiment was actually highest in the South. I was initially surprised by this, but on reflection it made perfect sense; after all, the South was populated by British immigrants, and Britain has consistently been amongst the most tolerant, hospitable European country for Jews. But American Jews neurotically and absurdly concocted a perverse KKK anti-Semite bogeyman and have spent the past few decades trying to destroy it…by promoting the interests of people who are legitimately and somewhat unabashedly anti-Semitic. I can only chalk this up to Jewish intellect being defeated by Jewish obsession with the grotesque.
The bigger problem in recent years, I suspect, was the heavy (Northern) Jewish participation in the civil rights movement, which had the effects in the South you would expect. Probably they were all revved up to fight discrimination after the Hitler thing, but I wasn't around back then, and you're unlikely to find an evenhanded examination now.
only needs to happen at a few key colleges and the media will do the rest.
“Jewish obsession with the grotesque” … Do you state university schooled armchair philosophes actually believe the drivel you read and write here on UNZ, or is it just something to do in between cleaning your guns and wacking off to Internet porn? “Hispanics” have been hostile to Jews since they ousted the Moors and figured to score a few easy shekels by plundering the Jewish citizens who actually created the Convivenza enlightenment. In fact, the 7th century king Recarred was already into the business of plundering Jews to sustain his spending habits… American Blacks are hostile to most white people in theory; although in practice, they are considerably more polite and friendly than American whites… Jews may have created Christianity, but it’s you troglodytes who worship the grotesquerie of a crucifed man, when you’re not singing the praises of gas chambers…. Listening to most of you on this loser website spout off about the plight of the the poor Palestinians is rather like listening to Goebbels spout off on the plight of the poor Palestinians… Tell me, on the subject of Jews and the grotesque, what the hell are you talking about?
Blacks, in practice, polite and friendly? A lot of them are, but there's a large minority that beats up white kids in school and turns every neighborhood they take over into a slum. The smarter ones like the Obamas get out when they can.
Grotesquerie of the crucifix? Whatever, every religion thinks the others are crazy. I have to say Muslim countries are much worse than Christian ones for Jews at this juncture.
As for the Palestinians, well, they do sound kind of stupid finding the one oppressed group they care about so as to stick it to their enemies. I agree with you. ;)
Saban will fail. Your skin color is your uniform. There is no punishment Saban and Adelson can hand out … and make stick, to up and coming Obama types. Who don’t like Whites Jews especially. BDS will be the law of the land like gay marriage.
Game theory suggests two mega groups, Whites vs everyone else, in American politics.
What, Adelson can ake the Annenberg Foundation not jumpstart the next Obama because he’s BDS?
Jews are like Italy in the Triple Alliance. Not exactly friends of the Kaiser or Austria.
One last comment before I begin another 2-3 hour workday of helping to pull the wool over the eyes of all you innocent white men and continuing to infiltrate ZOG with our secret agents … Reading this website actually makes it easy to understand how an identity politics grifter like Obama could become President. In a choice between him and you rednecks, it’s fairly obvious that he is the better alternative. Really, losers … What could be more embarassing than making Obama look good?
They buy off non-Jews. In one of the cases Steve has written about, a non-Jewish student politician came under fire because he had accepted a free trip to Israel from some Jewish organization.
Thanks for stopping by Joe.
Awhile back Steve posted an interesting graph from a survey done in the early 20th century about regional attitudes towards Jews which showed that pro-Jewish sentiment was actually highest in the South. I was initially surprised by this, but on reflection it made perfect sense; after all, the South was populated by British immigrants, and Britain has consistently been amongst the most tolerant, hospitable European country for Jews. But American Jews neurotically and absurdly concocted a perverse KKK anti-Semite bogeyman and have spent the past few decades trying to destroy it...by promoting the interests of people who are legitimately and somewhat unabashedly anti-Semitic. I can only chalk this up to Jewish intellect being defeated by Jewish obsession with the grotesque.Replies: @SFG
The Klan actually did go after Jews (and Catholics) in the 20s and 30s.
The bigger problem in recent years, I suspect, was the heavy (Northern) Jewish participation in the civil rights movement, which had the effects in the South you would expect. Probably they were all revved up to fight discrimination after the Hitler thing, but I wasn’t around back then, and you’re unlikely to find an evenhanded examination now.
The Catholic kings of Spain are completely separate from modern-day Mexicans. I think the bigger issue is that modern-day Hispanics aren’t going to care much about BDS one way or the other, whereas whites may still feel some vague guilt over oppression of Jews by their ancestors.
Blacks, in practice, polite and friendly? A lot of them are, but there’s a large minority that beats up white kids in school and turns every neighborhood they take over into a slum. The smarter ones like the Obamas get out when they can.
Grotesquerie of the crucifix? Whatever, every religion thinks the others are crazy. I have to say Muslim countries are much worse than Christian ones for Jews at this juncture.
As for the Palestinians, well, they do sound kind of stupid finding the one oppressed group they care about so as to stick it to their enemies. I agree with you. 😉
The traditional religious Jews don't give a hoot about tikkun olam, social justice, healing the world and other liberal nonsense. The less contact they have with goyim, the better. Fighting for the Jewish state is not high on their agenda, either. Consider Neturei Karta, for instance. To them, the idea of a Jewish state is blasphemy, pure and simple. And they are baby - making fools.Replies: @IHTG
That is not an accurate description of Orthodox Jewish views of Israel. The prominence of Ultra-Orthodox anti-Zionism has been greatly exaggerated over the years. In many cases, it’s nominal even among sects that are still officially anti-Zionist on paper.
Despite all the training and enthusiasm jews just can't compete in the victim olympics. They will always be seen as white from below.
It seems so obvious...It's beyond strange that they weren't able to see this coming.Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous
A bigger blunder is the support of Sunni extremism and dissolution of countries to counter the Shia threat (more neurotic than actual). If Syria falls Israel will no longer be able to attack defined targets and military installations. Perfect opportunities for shoot and scoot (and much more) from amorphous entities coming from everywhere.
Jews are way over-represented among the commenters here.
World War T (and World War Rape, and World War Race, and World War Women) seem to be working out okay for Zionists. When I was at a British university five years ago, the one big issue for activists was anti-Israel stuff, and there were huge protests and events about it all the time. Now, nobody really cares about Israel apart from a few die-hards. They’re too busy with the various anti-straight-white-gentile male things stirred up in the culture by Obama’s re-election bid.
All to the good, as far as I’m concerned. Better Israel stick around (easier to point her out that way).
Me too. The shabbier Jewry’s “record of liberalism” looks, the better.
By commandos? Artillery bombardments? Checkpoint guards?
Hey guys, I’m looking for some data: Organized Jewry’s positions (and spending) vis-a-vis American immigration policy.
It’s the warm feelings of love that keep me coming back to the multicult, really. Can’t you just feel the post-Christian love from the Cathedral?
Ahhh, we’re just baskin’ in the warm n’ fuzzy now. Takin’ it in, baby.
LoL.
*facepalm* Plausible, man, you’ve got to keep it kinda plausible.
Aw, you ruined it. I was enjoying it until you went there. Now you just look like a phoney-baloney. Too over-the-top. But congrats, you had me goin’.
I bet she gave great helmet.
ROTFLMWAO! Oh *#@$, stop it man, you’re killin me!
Wait, we talking about blacks, or Palestinians? I got confused there for a sec. 😉
paradise is slowly dying... Tell me: Between all you Ron Paul imbeciles and Ezra Pound rednecks on one hand, and Sheldon Adelson on the other, who actually employs more Americans and pays more taxes? ... I suppose Jew envy is the one thing natural selection can not take away from you Christian and Muslim losers.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Does Sheldon employ any Americans? (“On retainer” doesn’t count.)
Does he pay taxes?
Do his croupiers? His maids? (Most people don’t at $7.25.)
Are you on the campaign staff of a GOP presidential candidate? Who defends Shelly without being paid to, and who else does he pay?
Oh, I know… you’re in India, and he paid you throughFiverr!
Nice English…
“Joseph Trumpeldor says:
Tell me, on the subject of Jews and the grotesque, what the hell are you talking about?”
The grotesque tendency of assholes like you to characterize anyone with whom you disagree as a masturbating hillbilly gun-nut.
Way to make friends and influence people there, guy. And yet some people wonder why people come to dislike them.
What difference does it make if some Jews are conservative when voting is a Hobson’s choice anyway? You’re saying that because someone likes mainstream conservative candidates that makes them amenable to the Sailer worldview? It is to laugh. There is no opposition party.
If only billionaire Gentiles would hold pow-wows to fight against illegal immigration (like that would ever happen).
1- "Expand their blacklist of pro-BDS activists?":
Stick: Put the hammer down.Make sure that they know that there is no percentage in going after Israel.Do that, and , well, watch the grant/donation money dry up, no more invitations to fancy conferences, no jobs at foundations/universities/think tanks after you graduate from uni, etc
Carrot: But, hey, if you want to organize pro-Gay rights boycotts against Russia, campaign for legalization of illegal aliens in the USA/Europe (definitely not Israel), etc, here's a fat wad of cash.
2- "Double down on promoting Jews as the biggest victimized group ever?":
And make sure that everyone knows that WASPs/Christian Europeans are the real enemy.And that Jews have been/always will be the biggest victim in history.So, remember, just because people like the Pritzker family look White, they're only kinda-sorta White.I mean, come on, their grandfather (or maybe it's their great-grandfather) couldn't even get into the Porcellian!Replies: @Anonymous
If they want to do what is best for not only them but the entire world, they better choose option 3 and pursue it with pure intensity.
A Nazi ruled Europe would have been an absolute horror show:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2009/jul/16/holocaust-the-ignored-reality/
Stalin’s Empire would have extended at least to the Rhine….And it’s not too hard too imagine it dominating the entire Continent, leaving the UK the only non-Soviet ruled nation.That would have been a dangerous state of affairs…..
runaway selection for overconfidence means that they’ll double down and not admit that they messed up.
I’m skeptical about whether the so-called “Hunger Plan” would have been implemented. It’s parallel was the Morgentau Plan which had Roosevelt’s approval. Although a version of the Morgentau Plan was partway implemented, unfortunately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan
Drone.
I applaud you for pointing this out, and for a lot of other things you say in this regard.Replies: @Southfarthing
I’ve appreciated your comments in the past, so that feedback means a lot to me.
For those of us who have the temperament of sheepdogs, it’d feel like a moral failure to not defend members of the community.
I wish more people here understood that things get accomplished in the real world only by getting people’s incentives aligned. That’s especially true when the people in question are people like Feynman.
“Jews are way over-represented among the commenters here.”
That’s irrelevant. For over a century, Jews have been over-represented (population wise) in the formation and leadership of a variety of political movements, left and right. That doesn’t change the fact that with regard to US politics, Jews tend to skew leftward.
They voted like Southerners in the ’30s and ’40s. Wonder why.
Alliances don’t stay the same over enough time. William Jennings Bryan was a Christian socialist.
Since it would have necessitated defeating the USSR, itself a very big if, we’ll never know for sure.On the other hand, given things like the Holocaust (a kind of mini-version of the Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost), it’s difficult to imagine Hitler balking on moral grounds.And, of course, the entire point of his invasion of the East was the need to secure Lebensraum for the German people.
The Hunger Plan was also partially implemented.In late 1941-early 1942, the Nazis starved to death approximately 2 million Soviet POWs.
In the aftermath of WW2 ,the Allies used the concentration camps. 1/2 a million to 2 million Germans died in forced expulsions (many women, children, & elderly).Replies: @Shawn, @syonredux
A bit off-topic but I spotted an article about one unintended consequences then some liberals might face. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2015/05/28/lib-lesbian-cultural-marxists-vs-islamic-head-choppers/
The invasion kicked off because Germans outside of German boundaries were getting shoved around within the new Europe created by the unjust and wildly unpopular Treaty of Versailles. The Free City of Danzig, 95% ethnically German, wanted to be part of Germany. In fact many Germans living outside of the new German boundaries wanted to be under German rule once again. Self-determination & all of that. But alas, because Poland was emboldened by Britain’s war guarantee, they did not want to let their Germans be under German rule once again.
In the aftermath of WW2 ,the Allies used the concentration camps. 1/2 a million to 2 million Germans died in forced expulsions (many women, children, & elderly).
*http://necrometrics.com/battles.htm#Warsaw44
Here's a description of some of the things that occurred in Warsaw:
Norman Davies, No Simple Victory: World War II In Europe, 1939-1945, p. 316:As for the POW death stats.....
From Wikipedia:They clearly show that the Nazis had the highest mortality rate.And there is also the fact that the starving to death of 2 million Soviet POWs in late '41-early '42 was entirely intentional.
In the aftermath of WW2 ,the Allies used the concentration camps. 1/2 a million to 2 million Germans died in forced expulsions (many women, children, & elderly).Replies: @Shawn, @syonredux
From Wikipedia:
In the aftermath of WW2 ,the Allies used the concentration camps. 1/2 a million to 2 million Germans died in forced expulsions (many women, children, & elderly).Replies: @Shawn, @syonredux
Shawn, all of that business about Danzig/the Polish corridor, etc, was simply cover.Hitler’s real goal was the destruction of the USSR and the creation of a German Empire in the East.
As compared to the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk?
And the Germans used Death Camps:
http://necrometrics.com/warstatx.htm#h
Yes, and the Nazis killed approx 3 million Soviet POWs over the course of the war (2 million in late 1941-early 1942 alone), starved to death over 632,000 Soviet civilians during the siege of Leningrad, killed approx 700,000 civilians in anti-partisan reprisals (350,000 in Belarus alone), brought (by 1944) 8 million foreigners to Germany to work as slave labor, killed over 200,000 people in retaliation for the 1944 Warsaw Revolt*, etc, etc,
*
http://necrometrics.com/battles.htm#Warsaw44
Here’s a description of some of the things that occurred in Warsaw:
Norman Davies, No Simple Victory: World War II In Europe, 1939-1945, p. 316:
As for the POW death stats…..
From Wikipedia:
They clearly show that the Nazis had the highest mortality rate.And there is also the fact that the starving to death of 2 million Soviet POWs in late ’41-early ’42 was entirely intentional.
Steve, I am disappointed that you are repeating anti-Semitic half-truths about disproportionate Jewish influence.
I’ve estimated that 5% of white Americans are Jewish enough to make Aliyah to Israel, and it’s this looser interpretation of Jewishness that’s used to count Jews among CEOs, the Media, etc.
And then there is the fact that Jews are disproportionately college graduates and you have close to a zero chance of becoming anyone important without a college degree (unless your are Bill Gates or Michael Dell).
But if you think Jews are too rich, why not support higher taxes on the rich? Ironically, the same far-right internet types who hate Jews are the same people who are against taxes.
Let no one ever shy away from the claim that Jews have power, that Jews have influence. We have learned the terrible lesson of history; that unless we have influence and power, disproportionate to our small numbers — immoral results will occur. We need power. And we must continue to use our power. Power which we earned, power which no one gave us on a silver platter, power which we worked hard for — use that power in the interests of justice.
People routinely notice that whites in general have disproportionate power and no one calls this inference anti-white. Because of genetic differences in IQ and other traits, some groups are going to have way more power than others. To suggest otherwise is HBD-denial.
I guarantee that the BDS movement will continue to gather steam. It’s a given for politically aware millennials of all stripes that the Israel lobby and rich, ethnocentric Jews are a pillar of the corrupt establishment that is running America into the ground. Opposition to the Israel lobby is even becoming a defining cause for young Evangelicals. Few millennials can see ethnocentric Jews as victims or oppressed. I’m amazed by how much attitudes have changed in the last few years.
Putting government pressure like Ted Cruz advocates would just increase the anti-establishment street cred of BDS.
There’s absolutely nothing anti-Semitic about noting disproportionate Jewish influence. Even the very philo Semitic Jewish intellectual Alan Dershowitz famously said:
Let no one ever shy away from the claim that Jews have power, that Jews have influence. We have learned the terrible lesson of history; that unless we have influence and power, disproportionate to our small numbers — immoral results will occur. We need power. And we must continue to use our power. Power which we earned, power which no one gave us on a silver platter, power which we worked hard for — use that power in the interests of justice.
People routinely notice that whites in general have disproportionate power and no one calls this inference anti-white. Because of genetic differences in IQ and other traits, some groups are going to have way more power than others. To suggest otherwise is HBD-denial.