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TUNE IN: What reparations may look like for Mexican-Americans, detailing what they feel America owes them. #TurningPointABC pic.twitter.com/pZpuIA3cUi
— Nightline (@Nightline) September 30, 2020
Soon, the New York Times will be running op-eds by young women named Kim about how they deserve reparations for the times white people (such as their golf pro at the country club) asked them, “Where are you from?”
By the way, the phrase “reparations for Mexicans” doesn’t come up much on Google. The fifth-highest ranking version of this is our own Whiskey’s comment on Feb. 22, 2019:
The demands will get higher and higher as the candidates bid up for Black support, and likely Mexican support. Special reparations for Mexicans too.
The Establishment’s slogan should be “Making Whiskey Into a Prophet.”
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“What reparations may look like for Mexican-Americans?” I think they’ve telegraphed this one pretty thoroughly over the years.
How about we give Texas to the Comanche and Arizona to the Apache. Two tribes that beat the Mexicans like red headed step children. It took Americans to beat both of those tribes.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Corn
Then again, this sort of thing turns into an infinite regress, because whoever you're reparating usually swiped the land from *someone else* before that.Replies: @MBlanc46, @silviosilver, @Mr. Anon, @Elli, @Dr. X
.....to keep the Mexican Cession, Gadsden Purchase and Texas Republic firmly in Yankee hands....in case of a Chicano uprising of sorts or full on invasion by the Mexican army....make no mistake "we took that land and we aint giving it back...."
Assume this is irony, since the NYT is way past that point already…
Let them eat beans.
When do Gentiles get reparations from the bankers?
Nice. I’ll take a combo plate #3 (2 enchiladas and a ground beef taco) in lieu of money though.
If the stupid feds insist on giving me money, maybe I’ll just donate it to Proud Boys.
“I’d rather give reparations to hispanics than to blacks.”
I wonder if this would set the cat among the pigeons.
More like reparations are due to American-Mexicans like the LeBaron clan and the retirees who had their savings accounts wiped out by Monex. But no, Fred Reed isn’t eligible.
This country is done.
The looting is starting on a massive scale.
If we give Colonia back to Mexico, Republicans might keep Texas for another generation.
ABC Nightline = Leaning bitch… bleating chin… hinting: cable!
Nightline had already been on for too long, when it aired during the Iran Hostage Crisis.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Maria: I don't have another dress. When we entered the abbey our worldly clothes were given to the poor.
Captain von Trapp: What about this one?
Maria: The poor didn't want this one.
Mexicans can reperate themselves right back south
This stupid shit is never going to end, is it?
It's all too much fun.
This looks like a troll of Black Americans: "we hauled in all these Mexicans to economically replace you; and we craftily termed them People of Color. Now you have to share the reparation pie with them. Ha ha ha!!! Just wait until we expand Reparations™ to include all Asians and Africans!"
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I forgot who said it but that border “just means they have a longer walk to cross into the US”.
How about we give Texas to the Comanche and Arizona to the Apache. Two tribes that beat the Mexicans like red headed step children. It took Americans to beat both of those tribes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-m8tr_rwyA
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Is there a wider, faster-moving river behind the Rio Grande that we can retrench behind?
Nightline had already been on for too long, when it aired during the Iran Hostage Crisis.
How about French reparations? France lost a lot of territory to the Anglo-Americans….
The more the merrier. Bring on the Asians and Native Americans too. Heck, I’m part Irish-American, and it’s accepted as conventional wisdom that “the Irish didn’t used to be regarded as white.” We can all pay reparations to each other for everything that ever happened, and it’ll all cancel out.
What about the Dutch? They also lost a lot valuable territory….
What about the Celtic Fringe of Britain? All of England used to be Celtic territory……Shouldn’t the Welsh and the Cornish get some kind of reparations?
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We are all descended from conquerors and the conquered. So get over it. As the Jackson Brown song says, "Nobody owes you nothin'" so sit down and shut up about reparations. I will not allow anyone to "guilt" me.
The Japanese Americans got cash and probably banked it and paid for their kids’ college. The Native Americans got casinos and tax free cigarettes. Give the blacks all the Popeyes and the Mexicans can have Taco Bell.
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Who knew that Fort Duquesne was in Oil City PA?
I’d be curious to hear someone who knows their history, because this is a case where someone might actually be able to prove they are owed reparations. Of course this would be limited to people who could prove they had ancestors living in the portions of Mexico that the US annexed in 1848.
Were there Mexican citizens that had property rights or other rights guaranteed in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo violated? Can their ancestors prove this via deeds or other documentation?
Must be a lawyer / history expert among ISteve’s readers that can shed some light on this.
The Viking-era English are also owes reparations for all the looting and pillaging they endured.
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What about the Celtic Fringe of Britain? All of England used to be Celtic territory......Shouldn't the Welsh and the Cornish get some kind of reparations?Replies: @Charon, @Another Canadian, @Hannah Katz
By a happy coincidence, I just remembered that I’m half Dutch and half French. Oh and part Latino, who can be of any race, or no race at all, should they so choose. But where’s the sport in that? Not to mention the gibs.
Apart from the fact it was Mexicans, not “Mexican Americans” who had their land taken from them (apparently the view that there are no other nationalities, but just hyphenated Americans is taking over, except they’re omitting the hyphen in the animated image), the future will be full of interest indeed.
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Technically, we did swipe half of the country. I’d like to keep it, personally.
Then again, this sort of thing turns into an infinite regress, because whoever you’re reparating usually swiped the land from *someone else* before that.
What "right" did Mexico to have to any of those massive tracts of all but empty territory? It was little more than claim, much like today's Argentina's claims on Antarctica.Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Adamant
By the standards of the woke and Critical Race Theory, Mexico ought to be no more legitimate than the US.
The Aztecs were a brutal imperial power and their subject tribes were glad to ally with the Spanish and bring them down.
Maybe we should let enrolled members of US tribes decide the issue. Hopis and Navajo, Cherokee and Penobscot and Lakota, the south western states to return to Mexico, yes or no.Replies: @Cutler
Vote for Trump and at least it’ll be a kick in the face to them. The left had to drop military-bashing after it cost them in the 60s and 70s. Now they pretend to respect the troops.
He really screwed up with COVID, though, you have to admit.
What leader in history is credited with stopping a virus? Let alone one that kills only elderly and sick people. This is made up nonsense by a party with no real issues to run on now that they killed Bernie off. For a second time.Replies: @Neoconned
The way Trump "screwed up" with the Xi virus was that he didn't close the borders of the United States immediately upon hearing that a SARS variant was loose in Wuhan.
That's the only thing that would have actually contained this. Once the thing was here, uncontained, with no ability to mass test ... it's baked, just like it's been everywhere else in the world. The rest is our "demographics", our weight and diabetes issues.Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox
Like someone asked a local DJ, if you hadn't been hearing about Covid-19 all the time the last months, would you know about it. The DJ admitted, no. Of people I actually knew who died with Covid-19: 1. My grandmother was 87 and asymptomatic, and 2. A buddy who was 68, but the lump the size of a volleyball on his pancreas was why he died.
Thanks for the kind mention Steve. That was an obvious call.
How about we give Texas to the Comanche and Arizona to the Apache. Two tribes that beat the Mexicans like red headed step children. It took Americans to beat both of those tribes.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Corn
Ron White’s got a very well thought-out plan:
From Reconquista to Reparasta?
Just give them California. And New Mexico too.
(And Oregon too and Washington too. Let the grungers live under Mexican rule.)
If Mexicans start demanding reparations, I will vote for the party that promises to kick them all out of the country.
Please don’t tell me you’re so bored you watch ladies golf, Steve
I wonder how long it will be until ABC — and the NY Times and WaPo for that matter —
is writing deeply concerned meditations on the need for Israel to pay reparations to the Palestinians.
But I guess the USA would get stuck paying the tab for those, too.
The Jewish-owned media has begun to make me think Jews got kicked out of every country not because of religious or monetary reasons, but because Jews couldn’t stop themselves from constantly trolling their host countries.
Mexicans in the US don’t complain 1/50th as much as Jews do. Jews not only complain 24/7, they feel they obligated to complain for everyone else on earth.
Nobody likes a whiner.
Then again, this sort of thing turns into an infinite regress, because whoever you're reparating usually swiped the land from *someone else* before that.Replies: @MBlanc46, @silviosilver, @Mr. Anon, @Elli, @Dr. X
Yes, we swiped it, but we swiped it fair and square.
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Nightline had already been on for too long, when it aired during the Iran Hostage Crisis.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
The Rio Grande is a sewage ditch. Which American rivers aren’t wider, faster, or deeper? Or all three?
They’re called wetbacks, not wetheads.
It reminds me of the old joke. A Gringo and a Mexican are having an argument. Finally the the Gringo asks the Mexican why he is so angry and hates Gringos so much. The Mex replies, “Because you stole half of our country. And you took the part with all the paved roads and safe drinking water”.
Howard Hawks addressed this question a long time ago….
Then again, this sort of thing turns into an infinite regress, because whoever you're reparating usually swiped the land from *someone else* before that.Replies: @MBlanc46, @silviosilver, @Mr. Anon, @Elli, @Dr. X
Get real, it’s not as if America took Mexico City or anywhere else that was built up or populated by Mexicans.
What “right” did Mexico to have to any of those massive tracts of all but empty territory? It was little more than claim, much like today’s Argentina’s claims on Antarctica.
Mexico never really held or ruled the land north of the Rio Grande.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe
Bad idea, Joe. The documentary Demolition Man conclusively proved that all restaurants in the future will be Taco Bell. We should hang on to them.
Were there Mexican citizens that had property rights or other rights guaranteed in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo violated? Can their ancestors prove this via deeds or other documentation?
Must be a lawyer / history expert among ISteve’s readers that can shed some light on this.Replies: @Bragadocious, @newrouter, @Diversity Heretic, @Travis
It’ll never happen because it would open the floodgates to other reparations claims, many more recent, the headliner being the Arabs who lost everything in the Nakba.
H/T Sam Hayakawa.
And one for Joe:
Yes, but when some young female SJW-wannabe surnamed Kim demands anything, does anyone other than someone surnamed Sailer really care?
I don’t think even other people surnamed Kim pay attention. Are left-wing Korean (or even East Asian) women the real power behind the anti-white movement?
I wonder if this would set the cat among the pigeons.Replies: @J.Ross
The thing is the mestizos at their worst would handle it more intelligently, and most would probably use it to develop their businesses, whereas all but the best blacks would let it slip through their fingers in thirty six hours. So this is the decision to make if you’re going off of reasonable expectation of actually helping people.
I don’t think even other people surnamed Kim pay attention. Are left-wing Korean (or even East Asian) women the real power behind the anti-white movement?
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There was at least one at the NYT but her effectiveness was undermined by a sensible love of kiełbasa.
OT: Study proves that statements like “Trump / Pence” spread COVID 19 twice as much as statements like “Biden / Harris”.
Were there Mexican citizens that had property rights or other rights guaranteed in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo violated? Can their ancestors prove this via deeds or other documentation?
Must be a lawyer / history expert among ISteve’s readers that can shed some light on this.Replies: @Bragadocious, @newrouter, @Diversity Heretic, @Travis
The government of 1850? Mexico is the only party affected by this BS.
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I’m in that region and barely French but I’m down with it. Would probably be less insane and have better art/movies. The Gulf South has always been underutilized and under-appreciated by the rest of the America. Just give us residents of French America a little bit more of the Florida panhandle.
HAHAHA…… Telemundo TV news poll had Trump winning debate 66-34 over Biden. Like Univision competitor Telemundo is based in Miami and it is Cuban dominated not Mexican. (Says a lot that the MexAmericans don’t run and dominate any big spanish TV network out of LA.)
Anyway the spanish debate poll is funny on multiple levels. Most of all it suggests that the cynical promotion man Donald Trump is FUTURISTIC.
Sure older white voters wanted to see a Kennedy vs Nixon cerebral exchange. But that country is gone.
This is now idiocracy. Forced latinization and a dumbing down of the culture. Don Trumpicano could be the perfect leader for the New America but could he stop a future conflict between La Raza and their hated paler rivals in Miami?
Cubans seem to be able to make peace with various south american nationalities and form a winning coalition. None of them like the Mexicans though. Also I think the old white Spanish New Mexico contingent would side with Florida.
I support these reparations as long as they’re paid out in-kind with donkey shows. Each Mexican-American gets an admission pass entitling them to X number of free donkey show viewings.
No you don’t. The virus will virus.
What leader in history is credited with stopping a virus? Let alone one that kills only elderly and sick people. This is made up nonsense by a party with no real issues to run on now that they killed Bernie off. For a second time.
Without Bernie the Dems are what? Moar immigration and fight climate change....even though they dont have coherent policies to deal with either issue....?
Then again, this sort of thing turns into an infinite regress, because whoever you're reparating usually swiped the land from *someone else* before that.Replies: @MBlanc46, @silviosilver, @Mr. Anon, @Elli, @Dr. X
Quite true. Mexico’s claim to the Southwest of the USA, and of much of Mexico too, derives from the claims of Imperial Spain. Their supposed right is nothing but an admission of the receipt of stolen goods.
What "right" did Mexico to have to any of those massive tracts of all but empty territory? It was little more than claim, much like today's Argentina's claims on Antarctica.Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Adamant
After independence from Spain the new government of Mexico did not have the resources to maintain order in these northern lands. The government invited Americans to settle in Texas hoping they would fight and defeat the Comanches who ruled there.
Mexico never really held or ruled the land north of the Rio Grande.
So have we passed the event horizon of the Whiskey Singularity as well as that of the Onion Singularity now?
Blood in the water…
It’s ridiculous how those vast, old, Spanish land grants in Alta California survived the Mexican-American War.
How so?
The way Trump “screwed up” with the Xi virus was that he didn’t close the borders of the United States immediately upon hearing that a SARS variant was loose in Wuhan.
That’s the only thing that would have actually contained this. Once the thing was here, uncontained, with no ability to mass test … it’s baked, just like it’s been everywhere else in the world. The rest is our “demographics”, our weight and diabetes issues.
There should be reparations for Italians in order to compensate for the crimes against Italian cuisine committed in this country.
Then again, this sort of thing turns into an infinite regress, because whoever you're reparating usually swiped the land from *someone else* before that.Replies: @MBlanc46, @silviosilver, @Mr. Anon, @Elli, @Dr. X
Mexico, like the US, was the successor to a European colonial power that invaded and conquered indigenous people. After independence, it was ruled and governed by men of European descent who took the vast share of its wealth.
By the standards of the woke and Critical Race Theory, Mexico ought to be no more legitimate than the US.
The Aztecs were a brutal imperial power and their subject tribes were glad to ally with the Spanish and bring them down.
Maybe we should let enrolled members of US tribes decide the issue. Hopis and Navajo, Cherokee and Penobscot and Lakota, the south western states to return to Mexico, yes or no.
The way Trump "screwed up" with the Xi virus was that he didn't close the borders of the United States immediately upon hearing that a SARS variant was loose in Wuhan.
That's the only thing that would have actually contained this. Once the thing was here, uncontained, with no ability to mass test ... it's baked, just like it's been everywhere else in the world. The rest is our "demographics", our weight and diabetes issues.Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox
And in fact he clearly wanted to and could not because of the geniuses brainlessly objecting to his every move and promoting tourism to Chinatown. This is the clearest of many sitiations where allowing the president to be the president would have been incomparably better for everyone.
No way we give them the phone company! Carlos Slim has enough already.
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That kind of reminds me of The Sound of Music:
Maria: I don’t have another dress. When we entered the abbey our worldly clothes were given to the poor.
Captain von Trapp: What about this one?
Maria: The poor didn’t want this one.
My guess is that the Mexican government, who for the last 150 years have as one of their top objectives to keep the US from being too interested in their country, wouldn’ t like at all for this reparation nonsense to go forward and would prefer Mexican Americans to keep a low profile. Don’t get me wrong, Mexico’s leaders know the advantage of trade and investment with the US and want to have good relations overall with America, but they are not too thrilled when Mexico appears too often in the US news radar.
That reminds me, what about people who are half-Black, half-Mexican? Do they get to double dip (Black reparations+ Mexican reparations)?And then there’s the trifecta, part-Black, part-Mexican, and part American Indian (North of the Rio Grande Amerind, as I’m assuming that Mexican Amerind ancestry wouldn’t count)……
What "right" did Mexico to have to any of those massive tracts of all but empty territory? It was little more than claim, much like today's Argentina's claims on Antarctica.Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Adamant
And the overwhelming majority of the Mexicans in the USA are descended from people who arrived after World War II.
Mexico never really held or ruled the land north of the Rio Grande.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe
Santa Fe would be isolated from Mexico for decades at a time.
Are you really just coming to this conclusion in late 2020??
He didn’t shoot everybody in the non-Fox national media was His screwup.
Like someone asked a local DJ, if you hadn’t been hearing about Covid-19 all the time the last months, would you know about it. The DJ admitted, no. Of people I actually knew who died with Covid-19: 1. My grandmother was 87 and asymptomatic, and 2. A buddy who was 68, but the lump the size of a volleyball on his pancreas was why he died.
Slavery reparations from a state where slavery was illegal?
Gavin Newsom:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/30/california-slavery-reparations-law
I see….You merely have to be “affected by slavery”…..
It's a brilliant plan! Let's start a Go Fund Me to buy one-way tickets to California for any blacks that want to move there permanently. The state is already doomed, so why not use it as a dumping ground.
Sorry Steve, but it's long past time you got the hell out of there anyway.
The Californios paid a group of mountain men to kick out a governor they didn’t like so they could run California for themselves instead of Mexico City.
Does Mitt Romney qualify?
This stupid shit is never going to end, is it?
It’s all too much fun.
This looks like a troll of Black Americans: “we hauled in all these Mexicans to economically replace you; and we craftily termed them People of Color. Now you have to share the reparation pie with them. Ha ha ha!!! Just wait until we expand Reparations™ to include all Asians and Africans!”
Patience, patience, I see your grievance profit prospect appearing on the horizon …..
Were there Mexican citizens that had property rights or other rights guaranteed in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo violated? Can their ancestors prove this via deeds or other documentation?
Must be a lawyer / history expert among ISteve’s readers that can shed some light on this.Replies: @Bragadocious, @newrouter, @Diversity Heretic, @Travis
I’m not inclined to research the issue, but usually the point of a treaty (Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo), inter alia, is to resolve these kinds of claims involving property or status. I suppose someone could claim a violation of rights confirmed by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, but I wonder if the statute of limitation hasn’t expired.
Don’t go down that road, or China will have us by the balls.
The way Trump "screwed up" with the Xi virus was that he didn't close the borders of the United States immediately upon hearing that a SARS variant was loose in Wuhan.
That's the only thing that would have actually contained this. Once the thing was here, uncontained, with no ability to mass test ... it's baked, just like it's been everywhere else in the world. The rest is our "demographics", our weight and diabetes issues.Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox
Presiding over a massive transfer of wealth from small businesses and middle/working class Americans to monied interests and donors in the midst of a national crisis isn’t a good look, AD…
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I thought they were DREEEEEMERZ … why not go for “54-40 or fight” and push on into Canada and take out that little stub in the Pacific Northwest?
I don’t think even other people surnamed Kim pay attention. Are left-wing Korean (or even East Asian) women the real power behind the anti-white movement?
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Ah, but you’re paying attention to Sailer paying attention: Why are you so stressed about the noticing of Asian race warriors? Twinkie, you’ve been getting up Jack D levels of ethnic/racial hand-waving. Hate to see it. 😐
Then again, this sort of thing turns into an infinite regress, because whoever you're reparating usually swiped the land from *someone else* before that.Replies: @MBlanc46, @silviosilver, @Mr. Anon, @Elli, @Dr. X
Didn’t the Chosen swipe land from the Arabs for their Zion? Maybe they should be making reparations to the Palestinians, considering they’re the richest ethnic group in the world…
Noel Ignatiev went on and on about that and in practical purposes it was not true, All Europeans in the US were considered White or they would not have been here. Its more tribal divide and conquer bs.
By the standards of the woke and Critical Race Theory, Mexico ought to be no more legitimate than the US.
The Aztecs were a brutal imperial power and their subject tribes were glad to ally with the Spanish and bring them down.
Maybe we should let enrolled members of US tribes decide the issue. Hopis and Navajo, Cherokee and Penobscot and Lakota, the south western states to return to Mexico, yes or no.Replies: @Cutler
That’s spot on.
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What about the Celtic Fringe of Britain? All of England used to be Celtic territory......Shouldn't the Welsh and the Cornish get some kind of reparations?Replies: @Charon, @Another Canadian, @Hannah Katz
What about New Sweden? The Dutch stole it from them.
When you get conquered, you get plundered.
What "right" did Mexico to have to any of those massive tracts of all but empty territory? It was little more than claim, much like today's Argentina's claims on Antarctica.Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Adamant
We most certainly did. We took it all, all the way to Guatemala. The US flag flew over Mexico City for four months. Then we gave a lot of it back and paid for what we kept, giving citizenship to the few Mexicans on our side of the line.
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What about the Celtic Fringe of Britain? All of England used to be Celtic territory......Shouldn't the Welsh and the Cornish get some kind of reparations?Replies: @Charon, @Another Canadian, @Hannah Katz
My grandfather had a Y haplogroup I1, from the small group of indigenous Europeans who were conquered and practically wiped out by the Yamnaya invaders from western Asia (also known as Aryans and Indo-Europeans). The Yamnaya included the Celtic warriors who conquered and subjugated my ancestors, and then they were in turn conquered by Germanic warriors and pushed into the northwest corner of Europe. Can I expect reparations from the Celts? I doubt it.
We are all descended from conquerors and the conquered. So get over it. As the Jackson Brown song says, “Nobody owes you nothin’” so sit down and shut up about reparations. I will not allow anyone to “guilt” me.
How about we give Texas to the Comanche and Arizona to the Apache. Two tribes that beat the Mexicans like red headed step children. It took Americans to beat both of those tribes.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Corn
If we ceded California, Oregon and Washington to Mexico on Halloween British Columbia would have an illegal immigration problem by Thanksgiving.
Wouldn’t it be great if phone service came with free tacos?
If White people refurbished and moved into the abandoned whaling station in Grytviken, South Georgia, ‘refugees’ would start to arrive.
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Like the true natural whores the French are, the voluntarily sold it to the Anglos.
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The history of the two high medium red counties with frontage on the Rio Grande would be interesting to study. I think Will Buckley the oil man father of WFB grew up not far away.
Hmm. Pressed “agree” on another comment, and it showed up on this one.
Were there Mexican citizens that had property rights or other rights guaranteed in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo violated? Can their ancestors prove this via deeds or other documentation?
Must be a lawyer / history expert among ISteve’s readers that can shed some light on this.Replies: @Bragadocious, @newrouter, @Diversity Heretic, @Travis
California had very few Mexicans when we purchased the land. Only about 3,000 “Mexicans” lived there…but few of them would have identified as Mexican, they tried to succeed from Mexico soon after New Spain won their independence from Spain. Many Californios actually supported the American war against Mexico. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo with Mexico, in 1848, had guaranteed the land grants issued prior to 1848 would be recognized.
By 1845, the province of California had a non-native population of about 1,600 Spanish and Latin American-born adult men along with about 1,500 women and their native-born children (who became the Californios). There were also around 1500 American immigrants. Nearly all of these were adult males and a majority lived in central and northern California.
Able Stearns was a notable Mexican who settled in California. By 1860, Abel Stearns was one of the richest men in California. He traveled the oceans on trading ships, first as a sailor, and later as a supercargo or agent, responsible for buying and selling hides, tallow, and manufactured goods. In 1822, he began trading in Mexico, and in 1826 moved to Mexico City, where he became a naturalized citizen two years later.
He came to California in 1829. In 1834 he established a warehouse and store above the harbor, where he dominated the Los Angeles trade for the next decade. In 1842 he bought the 28,000 acres and began his new career as a California ranchero. In 1841, Abel Stearns married Arcadia Bandini, the daughter of a prominent Mexican ranchero. After the United States purchased California, it most of the Mexicans were able to keep their land. Many of them , like Able Stearns became quite wealthy. https://www.ochistoryland.com/stearnsranchos
Gavin Newsom:https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1311432334743273472https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/30/california-slavery-reparations-law
I see....You merely have to be "affected by slavery".....Replies: @peterike, @Neoconned
California may be setting itself up for a massive own-goal. Let’s say they announced that blacks — any and all blacks, of course, because racism — will be getting $xxx in gibs. There will be a massive migration of blacks to California to wet their beaks in the juicy gibs pot, possibly draining many other cities of many of their worst troublemakers.
It’s a brilliant plan! Let’s start a Go Fund Me to buy one-way tickets to California for any blacks that want to move there permanently. The state is already doomed, so why not use it as a dumping ground.
Sorry Steve, but it’s long past time you got the hell out of there anyway.
Ben, ok, but in WNY we have a local chain, Mighty Taco, beats Taco Bell hands down.
Mexico never really held or ruled the land north of the Rio Grande.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe
ThreeOneSix, an area not well covered in American history classes, but Mexicans were being slaughtered by the Apaches and Comanches. The hope was that the US Army would control the two tribes.The Comanches drove off the Apaches, the Texas Rangers eventually diminished the Comanche threat.
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https://www.storemypic.com/images/2016/11/29/s-i-hayakawa-im-going-to-speak-my-mind-because-quote-on-storemypic-5b278.pngAnd one for Joe:https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-notice-the-difference-between-what-happens-when-a-man-says-to-himself-i-have-failed-s-i-hayakawa-56-96-64.jpgReplies: @Jim Don Bob, @MBlanc46
I miss having politicians like Hayakawa. He was funny and didn’t take himself too seriously.
This claim is so off the mark as to miss the side of a barn.
The border between the US and Mexico was redrawn–the government over the territory changed hands. No land was confiscated. To “give it back,” the “price” would entail ceding the territory back to Mexico.
I predict that we will be hearing more about the deportation of Mexicans, many of whom were US citizens, during the Great Depression.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation
It is the first part of social battle strategy from the coalition of the fringes to instill a guilt trip on the majority population via the media.
Previous examples of Installing guilt trip via media are movies and tv shows about slavery and the Holocaust.
Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember the donkey shows in Juarez and Tijuana!
I’m not, no matter how much you wish I did.
I’m calling out Sailer’s pet peeve – Asian woman-obsession – that is frankly a distraction from the real problems.
Let’s get real. As annoying and silly as a young Korean female SJW is, is that demographic what’s driving the leftist movement? Are they the power behind the NYT, WaPo, Wall Street, Hollywood, etc.?
Koreans voted for Trump 42-58 in 2016. They, along with Filipinos, are the most rightist of Asians (and setting aside Cubans, the most rightist among Asians AND Hispanics). Jews voted hot him 30-70. Koreans are pretty much politically powerless. That’s punching down since that’s another terminology often used around these parts.
And why are YOU following me around and obsessing? Do you have an Asian obsession (only with men) too?
If Modern Monetary Theory becomes mainstream, then even ordinary Democrat members might vote to hand out trillions in reparation money, first to blacks, and then to whichever other wheels in their coalition are squeaking.
If people need it–and the dollar is, after all, the almighty dollar–then why not? /sarc
Not quite. There was a little mater of the Seven Years War, known locally as the French & Indian war.
Please enlighten me.
I’m on-board with that – hand over Minnesota.. On second thoughts, too many Somalis.
But the TRs couldn’t run off the BLM threat… Sad.
Huh? Are you saying the Asian billionaire owner of the L.A. Times is a woman? And that’s why Steve brought him to our attention? What about the past Asian “iSteve Man of the Year”? You’re as sensitive about criticism of Asians as Jack D is of “Joos”.
“Punching down” is almost always used knowingly ironically in these parts. Sarcasm and irony are lost on you… not sure if for cultural and/or racial reasons.
We seem to initiate responses to each other about equally, and not too often (though there’s been a mutual uptick of late).
As for obsession, get a load of this whining tough guy:
And you definitely should waste less of your time on researching my past comments. Reeks of online stalking/obsession.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
As I expected, you are all ad hominem/trolling and respond to none of the salient, substantive points. You are a waste of time.
And you definitely should waste less of your time on researching my past comments. Reeks of online stalking/obsession.
And you definitely should waste less of your time on researching my past comments. Reeks of online stalking/obsession.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Juche gotta be kidding me.
Citing your past comments highlights your increasing hypocrisy, self-contradictions, and prissy demeanor over time—inconvenient if you don’t like seeing your own silliness quoted back at you, sorry. But if it really bothers you, become a more honest, smarter commenter and there will be no reason for me bring the (easily searched) ‘receipts’.
In other words, the US is turning into just another Latin American country – but minus the right-wing death squads which serve to keep the crazier leftists under control in those other places.
ThreeOneSix, an area not well covered in American history classes, but Mexicans were being slaughtered by the Apaches and Comanches.
Uh, no. The Spanish and Mexicans held their ground along rivers. Mexico even expanded northward from Santa Fe / Taos into what now is Colorado.
This man was remarkable. He led the expedition from Mexico to what is now San Francisco, although not the founder of that city, across difficult terrain with women and children in ox carts. It’s not dramatic, but it is a remarkable achievement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Bautista_de_Anza
Later he was appointed governor of Nuevo Mexico. Note the dates: this is during the US Revolutionary war, so you know how the Spanish were armed: muskets and swords mainly. Pull up a map and trace the route of this expedition.
The hope was that the US Army would control the two tribes.
Not really.
The Comanches drove off the Apaches, the Texas Rangers eventually diminished the Comanche threat.
That’s Texas circa the 1830’s. At that time, Mexico still controlled all of what is now New Mexico, Arizona and California. But Spain occupied and governed parts of those areas from around 1600 to the 1820’s revolution.
From time to time, things would get a little tough…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache%E2%80%93Mexico_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche%E2%80%93Mexico_Wars
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Exactly….this is why talk of reparations is so dangerous…..it literally is a bottomless pitt of claims and counterclaims….blacks want reparations and then Natives and Mexicans look at them and smile and say “you squatting on my land beeotch”….
Whiskeys right….only Mexican reparations can mean 1 thing & 1 thing alone…..the return of the SW Atzlan and the dismemberment of this country….
It was a joke on King of the Hill but if you travel via Amtrak from Houston to LA you see a LOTTA military bases on or within 200 miles of the border. They’ll never admit it but they’re there for a damn good reason
…..to keep the Mexican Cession, Gadsden Purchase and Texas Republic firmly in Yankee hands….in case of a Chicano uprising of sorts or full on invasion by the Mexican army….make no mistake “we took that land and we aint giving it back….”
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https://www.storemypic.com/images/2016/11/29/s-i-hayakawa-im-going-to-speak-my-mind-because-quote-on-storemypic-5b278.pngAnd one for Joe:https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-notice-the-difference-between-what-happens-when-a-man-says-to-himself-i-have-failed-s-i-hayakawa-56-96-64.jpgReplies: @Jim Don Bob, @MBlanc46
I remember the old boy. That quote is perhaps the perfect definition of an international relations realist.
The looting is starting on a massive scale.Replies: @Neoconned
Yeah but wtf is there left to loot? In all seriousness probably what? Half of Americans live in Chinese manufactured Mexican assembled crackerbox houses with structural issues that will be too expensive to fix rearing their ugly heads over the coming 20 yrs….the nation is 27 TRILLION – yes with a T trillion in debt…..
Even if we give reparations to blacks or whatever by the time they cash the checks our foreign creditors will have called in our debts….payable in hard currency and/or precious metals etc and/or they’ll simply dump their dollars and dollar denominated assets.
The Mexicans or the blacks or whoever may get their reparations funny money but it won’t be worth more than something to wipe their ass with. Foreigners won’t want that sh-t….
Where are we going to get reparations money from? If you seize small time white investor’s 401ks or IRAs there will simply be a mass exodus from the markets and the currency….do these activists want Weimar toilet paper money as their reparations?
What leader in history is credited with stopping a virus? Let alone one that kills only elderly and sick people. This is made up nonsense by a party with no real issues to run on now that they killed Bernie off. For a second time.Replies: @Neoconned
Exactly….once you remove Bernie and his policy proposals you have…..what? More neolib wars in Syria etc? Who gives a damn aboit that? Get rid of the cops? Then what? Who’s going to prosecute the vigilantes when they mow your gang of thugs down with rifle fire and hang the bodies up on power polls as a warning to other criminal elements?
Without Bernie the Dems are what? Moar immigration and fight climate change….even though they dont have coherent policies to deal with either issue….?
Gavin Newsom:https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1311432334743273472https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/30/california-slavery-reparations-law
I see....You merely have to be "affected by slavery".....Replies: @peterike, @Neoconned
I wonder how all those latinos busting their ass to afford to stay in California and pay off their mortgage feel about gibs to…..jamaicans and Nigerians who arrived in the…..1980s?
Are you a veteran of the Falkland Islands War? I’ve read 3 books on it over the yrs and your reference to the whaling station is quite obscure….
Just give them California. And New Mexico too.
(And Oregon too and Washington too. Let the grungers live under Mexican rule.)Replies: @Steele Crusader
How about we send them all back to Mexico? Anyway A white antifa is better than some wetback.
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Implying the Republicans aren’t the ones bring in immigrants. Both the DNC and GOP are both sides of the same Shekel.
I’m not sure exactly what the French and Indian war had to do with the Louisiana Purchase.
Please enlighten me.
The very definition of “Damning with faint praise.”
Negative, I saw that one out watching it on TV.