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From Scott Alexander’s SlateStarCodex.com:

HARDBALL QUESTIONS FOR THE NEXT DEBATE (2020)
POSTED ON JANUARY 5, 2020 BY SCOTT ALEXANDER

[For] Senator Warren: Despite your many years of service to the nation, media attention has focused on your claim to be descended from Native Americans. You told your former employer Harvard that you were of Native descent. Republicans accused you of trying to unfairly exploit affirmative action, but an investigation showed you did not benefit from any affirmative action at the time, leaving it unclear why you would do this.

More recently, you took a genetic test to establish your Native background. The test showed you did have a Native ancestor 6-12 generations back, but supporters were left baffled as to why you would take it or expect anyone to care. Conservatives used to the test to reignite the scandal around your Harvard employment, and progressives condemned you for promoting a view of race based on biology rather than culture or self-identification. The general consensus, again, was that you got no benefit from the test and it was unclear why you would do this.

The development of one of the algorithms that uses genetic information to determine racial background was called the “Warren Project” after its lead geneticist Jim Warren. Warren founded FamilyTreeDNA, a direct-to-consumer genetic testing company that continues to be a leader in genetic testing for ancestry, with about $16 million in revenue each year. This is relevant because Jim Warren is your ex-husband and the father of your children, who presumably stand to inherit a significant part of the FamilyTreeDNA fortune.

So my question for you is: is your campaign is just a publicity stunt to raise interest in genetic testing?

 
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  1. Lot says:

    I have a feeling Warren has had a number of DNA tests. She got that deluxe custom test after a disappointing 23andme result of 0.0% Indian.

    That her family is involved with one of the 2nd tier services is even more evidence.

    • Agree: Coemgen, TWS
    • Replies: @Coemgen
  2. I don’t think you understand the concept of white supremacy and collective trauma

    Do you guys even know what epigenetics is?

    That’s why television like Watchmen is so important. It calls out evil and gets the population thinking about the correct course of action

  3. Jack D says:

    This is really just more Leftist spin:

    Republicans accused you of trying to unfairly exploit affirmative action, but an investigation showed you did not benefit from any affirmative action at the time,

    Oh, well if an “investigation” showed this, it must be true and those Republicans are lying again as usual. If Liz Warren did not benefit from AA, then I am the King of Siam.

    Or maybe this is weasel worded: you did not benefit from any affirmative action at the time. I don’t know what THE time was, but I’m guessing this means that she benefited from it at some other time that was not THE time.

    The test showed you did have a Native ancestor 6-12 generations back,

    “A” native ancestor. The test also showed that you also had 1023 Non-native ancestors during the same period. Why not be honest and say that Liz Warren is 99.9% white and 0.1% Indian?

    Even in the midst of asking her a “hard question” they can’t keep themselves from shilling for her.

  4. Ano says:

    …an investigation showed you did not benefit from any affirmative action at the time…

    Is this a reference to the ‘review’ carried out by the Boston Globe?

    That Globe. What a nazi Republican rag full of racist Trump supporters. It tried a ‘gotcha’ on Havard Law School’s first woman of color- and failed!

  5. Genetic testing? I have my own test.

    Nah, she white.

  6. Mr. Sailer scanning reams of Scott Alexander poop for the very few corn kernels contained therein is a fantastic development. I rarely have the patience for that.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    , @Hail
    , @anon
  7. In today’s climate, that kind of debate question could be the zinger that doomed Dukakis in ’88 during the presidential debates, the question being would he support the death penalty if his wife were killed.

    And of course both Dukakis and Warren hail from MA.

  8. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    As usual, Scott is either dumb as a brick or lying.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  9. @Jack D

    Yeah, as I read this I thought it was all a joke written by Steve to mock the toothlessness of those debate questions. Until I got to the part about Jim Warren. Though, when you come down to it, that’s not much of a point against her, since she started playing the minority card long before his business (or any others like it) existed.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  10. MEH 0910 says:
    @Vince Tiver

    Tiny Duck, have you read progressive film critic Drew McWeeny’s introductory piece for his new critical writing endeavor?

  11. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    As usual Jack, if you actually bothered to read to the end of whatever it is you’re responding to you might save yourself the embarrassment of appearing unable to recognize a very obvious bit of satire.

    • LOL: Wency
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  12. @International Jew

    Probably, but then, perhaps, all things got accelerated because of ex-hubby….

  13. IC says:
    @Jack D

    Why would Warren or Harvard ever admit that she benefited from AA? Massive downside. Better to push for plausible deniability with an “investigation” and hope it blows over.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  14. @Vince Tiver

    Do you guys even know what epigenetics is?

    Yes. I remember when it used to be called Lamarckian ‘evolution’.

  15. @IC

    Has the Boston Globe ever uncovered anybody who benefited from affirmative action, other than those two white firemen who pretended to be black?

  16. @Jack D

    This was my take as well. I read that part about affirmative action and thought, wait, he’s accepting the results of a Boston Globe “investigation” and the word of Harvard and Warren, both of whom have massive motivation to lie? And no, I don’t think that part was intended to be satirical. Simple question: How many other University of Houston and Rutgers School of Law grads does HLS have on their faculty as full professors? EDIT: I see this has been covered pretty well by others but I’m leaving this post up because I need the post so I can have the privilege of simply clicking “Agree” or “LOL”.

  17. @Vince Tiver

    At least you didn’t use the phrase “deeply important”.

  18. eugyppius says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I doubt such a thing could even be shown for faculty hires. My experience is that the hiring happens inside the black box of the responsible committee and the administration exerts external pressure in favor of diversity. (Don’t get your numbers right, no more lines for you.)

    Assuming Warren made her Cherokee ancestry clear in her dossier somehow: When Columbo the Affirmative Action Detective comes calling, are you, former committee member, going to say that you hired Warren because she was Native American? No, you say that you hired a Native American because she was the most qualified person. Perhaps something could come out if there was a spat with the admin where they failed to authorize a non-diverse appointment or something. Otherwise who could say.

  19. @Morton's toes

    It’s not the prolix question. It’s that Liz Warren, a vocal and visible liberal, probably has enough knowledge of genetics via her ex-husband to realize that fundamental liberal premises are completely wrong.

  20. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It used to be that reporters were known for their hard boiled, across-the-board cynical skepticism, which extended to EVERYONE, supposedly even your own mother – “If your mother tells you that she loves you, check it out.”

    But now we no longer have reporters, we have “journalists” (or JournoLists) – their skepticism seems to be quite selective. Some things they are extremely skeptical about and other things they seem willing to take on faith and not ask too many questions (or else strangely tailored questions ). These questions often start out with assumptions that are not in evidence: “Science has shown that ….” or “An investigation has proven that….” [and what follows is far from proven or science except in the bubble world they inhabit] . They spot the ball at the 10 yard line of whatever team they favor. This is not reporting, it’s a rhetorical trick of the sort practiced by partisans.

    It doesn’t seem to bother the reporters that by whoring themselves out in this way they have destroyed the hard won credibility of their profession. In the 19th century, newspapers were often expressly partisan organs ( ” The Arkansas Democrat”). In the 20th, supposedly, partisanship was supposed to be limited to the editorial page and the news pages were supposed to report straight facts (they never did, but they at least made some effort to disguise their partisanship). But that’s gone now – the fangs are bared.

  21. @Steve Sailer

    Well their No. 1 sports columnist just threw Alex Cora under the bus because of the sign-stealing allegations. (Yes Steve your Dodgers may have been screwed in 2018) Doing this to a super woke Puerto Rican manager who hates Trump is very un-Globe like. You’d think they would find a way to link the cheating to Trump’s bone spurs but nope, not yet anyway.

  22. @Clifford Brown

    The people who can dance, who want to dance are black dudes and white chicks. I know this because in my youth of trying to find places to meet women, I crashed the Law School student party, where both races were well represented because Affirmative Action. And that Affirmative Action differentially works for Law and for STEM not so much for a variety of historical and technical reasons.

    White dudes can’t dance. The black chicks are sitting down, glowering at the black dudes who won’t dance with them. Kind of like the threesome of the President, the First Lady and the Prime Minister of Denmark at the Nelson Mandela memorial service.

    https://nypost.com/2013/12/10/michelle-annoyed-by-obamas-selfie-at-mandela-memorial/

    Senator Warren can dance, otherwise she wouldn’t have even tried any moves. She is just a bit self-conscious about it.

  23. peterike says:

    This is a pretty good take on Warren’s hiring by Harvard. Long story short, if you think Harvard didn’t hire her — a RUTGER’s graduate for god’s sake — because of her supposed woo-woo background, then you must also believe in Santa Claus.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/one-of-elizabeth-warrens-harvard-law-students-explains-why-her-native-american-gambit-matters

    More evidence. There is really zero doubt on the question for anyone willing to look.

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1996/10/22/survey-diversity-lacking-at-hls-pa/

  24. res says:
    @Jack D

    their skepticism seems to be quite selective. Some things they are extremely skeptical about and other things they seem willing to take on faith and not ask too many questions (or else strangely tailored questions ).

    Isolated demands for rigor is a good way to think about this. And to tie back to Scott Alexander ; )
    https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demands-for-rigor/

    “Selective skepticism” might be even better phrasing. Alliterative, shorter, and more easily understandable.

    P.S. I for one appreciate someone mining Scott Alexander’s work for nuggets. This tag can be useful for that.
    https://slatestarcodex.com/tag/things-i-will-regret-writing/

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  25. Hail says: • Website
    @Vince Tiver

    This hostile, troll-like, off-topic, video-embedded comment is a good candidate in favor of making comments with multiple ‘Troll’ reactions hidden by default, as some have suggested. Not sure how that would work in practice, but it’s an idea.

    (e.g., if there are 2+ ‘Troll’ reactions and at least two-thirds of total reactions are ‘Troll,’ hide by default; readers can still access by clicking ‘Show comment.’)

    • Replies: @TWS
  26. Bugg says:
    @Jack D

    Pretty clear the premise is false. Her supposed Native American genetics played a role in her hiring. Otherwise she would never have mentioned it. Warren was a beneficiary of affirmative action; there is no doubt. There are no other Harvard law professors with JDs from Rutgers or any similar non Ivy law schools other than Elizabeth Warren, spare some affirmative action hires. Having gone to a similar level of law school, grant you that doesn’t mean Ms. Warren is a bad attorney, nor is Rutgers a bad law school. Simply Harvard and all the Ivies and top tier law schools do not hire professors from outside that pool absent something else.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  27. Hail says: • Website
    @Morton's toes

    I know a daily reader of Slate Star Codex who told me he goes for the comments more than anything. Their regulars are an interesting assortment, overlapping in type with the iSteve commentariat in certain ways.

    Slate Star Codex has had some excellent content in years past. I have heard many express the general feeling that Scott Alexander (a b.1984 Jewish psychologist) hobbled his own blog by instituting a policy banning or highly limiting serious political content (“culture war” topics, he calls them) and suppressing right-wing dissident views including anything in the vicinity of Kevin MacDonald.

    Scott Alexander has also banned Steve Sailer personally from commenting on his site (twice?). The ban has now lapsed. Readers at the time rebuked Alexander for one of those bans (it was for racism, I think) and he reduced its length.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @WowJustWow
  28. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Why not be honest and say that Liz Warren is 99.9% white and 0.1% Indian

    She scored a raw “0.35% Broadly East Asian and Native American” (this figure reported on the margins at the time), with some of that of ambiguous origin, the sort of thing smoothed out in the way most 23andMe-like companies present their data.

    The widely-mocked “1/1024th Indian” is a fraction-ization of the lower-bound the test overseer gave when he was translating it into generations: He told her the test suggested she had a Red Indian ancestor 6 to 10 generations ago, but that was simply his was of presenting “0.35%.”

  29. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    But he makes an excellent point (even if he does not realize it), one highly relevant to the true big issue of the day, that is, Virginia: everybody gripes about law and lawyers, the best of circumstances sees a conspiracy against the laity, but we are entering a different time. Now undeniably obvious after the “refugee” hoax and the Russia nothingburger, let alone post-Epstein, the involvement of the authorities guarantees the non-enforcement of the law.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  30. @res

    P.S. I for one appreciate someone mining Scott Alexander’s work for nuggets.

    Agreed. Mr. Alexander has some good ideas. But they are usually packaged in a format that is about twice too-complicated and about three-times too long.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  31. @Vince Tiver

    Trolling or mockery? It’s so hard to tell these days.

    • Replies: @Hail
  32. TWS says:
    @Vince Tiver

    Steve, when the duck posts as someone else please spam his happy ass.

    It should be duck or nothing.

    P.S. I get that he is blocked by most but that’s his own fault

  33. Jack D says:
    @Hail

    I stand corrected. She is only 99.65% white, not 99.1%. This is a lot more honest than the media presentation at the time, which was “Trump is lying – DNA tests show that Liz Warren is of Native American ancestry.” This worked for about a day until they got outflanked from the left, by the Indian tribes that said that being Indian has NOTHING to do with DNA. Modern day media is not worried about the right but they are constantly being outflanked on the left because they don’t see it coming from that side.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  34. TWS says:
    @Hail

    It’s the duck. By definition he is a troll and breaking the rules of the site. The fact that Unz is unable or unwilling to enforce his own rules makes me doubt the rigor of his, ‘modeling’ efforts for nam crime.

    Everytime I see the duck slide, I think, ‘what else does he let slide?’.

  35. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    I know a daily reader of Slate Star Codex who told me he goes for the comments

    Sorry, this should read: “For the comments on the Open Thread.”

    I see the latest Slate SSC Thread has 519 responses after a little more than 24 hours.

  36. Hail says: • Website
    @Hypnotoad666

    @Vince Tiver

    Trolling or mockery? It’s so hard to tell these days.

    TIGH-ver?
    or
    TEE-ver?
    or
    Other?

    More importantly, since Reg Caesar is away, let me share the Anagram result:

    Vince Tiver is an near-anagram for “Invective” plus an ‘r.’

    Invectiver?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  37. J.Ross says:

    In support of Jack’s and my point, still in moderation: federal investigators have “lost” the video of Epstein’s alleged earlier suicide attempt.

    Federal prosecutors have reportedly lost the video recording of Jeffrey Epstein’s jail cell from the night when the disgraced financier first tried to kill himself.

    Assistant U.S. Attorneys Maurene Comey and Jason Swergold submitted a filing on Thursday which says the video “no longer exists” because the Metropolitan Correctional Center saved footage “from the wrong tier” of the jail block, not the one Epstein was on.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/video-from-jeffrey-epsteins-first-suicide-attempt-gets-mysteriously-deleted/amp/

    • Replies: @Jack D
  38. Any discussion of Elizabeth Warren quickly turns to one about gaming the affirmative action system, for whatever reason….

    One thing about affirmative action…take the example of California’s Proposition 209 (passed in 1996). Affirmative action has been unlawful in public sector California institutions for over 20 years (I think they may have recently repealed that, but that’s irrelevant for our purposes). But do you really think that public sector H.R.-types actually need a formal directive, to discriminate against White men? Of course they do not, and they’ve been doing it the whole time, totally irrespective of whether a formal “affirmative action” policy was ever in place, or even lawful at all.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  39. Forbes says:
    @Jack D

    It was affirmative action for Rutgers-Newark Law School graduates. Nothing to do with race/ethnicity.
    😉

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  40. Forbes says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    about three-times too long

    I’ve reached that point in life where I’d rather read a book–a great book–than some long and curious internet post that’ll have expired in a week or two.

  41. danand says:

    “So my question for you is: is your campaign is just a publicity stunt to raise interest in genetic testing?”

    That very well could be. Bennett Greenspan, co founder with Warren of Family Tree DNA, did say there was some urgency in DNA testing for lineage/linkage to some magic dirt. Could also be Liz had her DNA tested hoping she was a member of another tribe? Whatever the case, it’s all good and fine by me.

    Bennet Greenspan on Urgency:

    “Although autosomal DNA is immensely powerful, its usefulness for making links beyond the paper trail diminishes by half with each generation. This effect is magnified among Ashkenazi Jews, where past traditions of cousin marriage (endogamy) have created increasing genetic complexity among our current generations. So from any standpoint, time is not on our side.

    The urgency of our work is magnified by the fact that the legitimacy of the Jewish people and its claim to our ancestral home is currently under constant pseudo-historical attack. The media, particularly on the web, carries regular features from enemies of Israel describing theories to the effect that Ashkenazi Jews have no connection to the land of Israel and are, in fact, European and Central Asian interlopers.

    The Y-chromosome studies demonstrably prove otherwise — a majority of Ashkenazi male lineages are from the Middle East. As the various publicly known DNA test providers have assembled Jewish DNA databases — not just FamilyTreeDNA but my colleagues at 23andMe and Ancestry as well — we have found unmistakable evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are closely related to one another, meaning that from a genetic standpoint, all Jews are indeed part of one genetically united people with ample Middle Eastern and Mediterranean forebears.

    For both these reasons — the value of having the oldest possible generations tested for genealogical reasons, and having the largest sample tested for sociopolitical reasons — it is imperative that we launch a campaign to make DNA testing not the exception but the rule among the oldest representatives of our Jewish families worldwide.

  42. Anon[795] • Disclaimer says:

    I found iSteve from comments left at SlateStarCodex.

    Scott Alexander- back when he ventured into politics- would do an amazing job dissecting complex issues, giving accurate arguments from all sides of the political spectrum, and then coming to what seemed to be precisely the wrong conclusion.

    I felt dirty when I first started reading Steve. My wife thought I was looking at porn because I was so embarrassed I would hide the screen. After a few years of reading Steve and related authors, Scott’s seemingly illogical positions have been… clarified.

    • Replies: @Hail
  43. @Forbes

    Are you implying her undergraduate degree at University of…Houston meant nothing?

  44. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    I’m glad to hear that I made an excellent point, even unintentionally, but I lost you there – what law was broken but not enforced and what does that have to do with my comment?

  45. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    What’s the old saying – never blame on malevolence what mere incompetence can explain – something like that. If you could see the workforce of the MCC you would be willing accept that they really could erase the wrong footage by accident. The sharpest knives in the drawers of NYC do not work at the MCC.

    Alternatively, the same footage showed the staff sound asleep at the same time and it has disappeared for that reason – not because it incriminates anyone doing anything to Epstein but because it incriminates the staff for their own neglect of duties.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  46. Muggles says:

    While the mentioned “theory” about why Warren finally revealed her DNA test is absurd (based on idea that somehow promoting DNA testing would be in her financial interest, via her long ago ex husband) what I did learn is that a) Warren has children (never seem to be shown in Warren propaganda) and b) she had a scientist ex husband (who knew?).

    While I assume local Warren watchers in Mass. knew these things, general members of the public probably don’t. Of some interest because it appears that every publicly uttered Warren “fact” about her past is either an outright lie or easily refuted by independent research. These lies are all intended to honor her “undeserved” SJW victim-hood for being an American Indian, pregnant, a female pursued by handsy bad males, etc. So her proclaimed “past” is fabricated while tidbits of actual truth seem to be unmentioned or buried.

    Has anyone interviewed her ex husband? If not why not? Former spouses often have insights into character and behavior that they are willing to share. I never even knew she was married before and wonder why her ex hasn’t been at least referenced in public discussion of her past. Do her children participate in campaigning for her now?

    No crime in being divorced. But when you are spouting neo Marxist slogans as “plans” for your presidency, no stone should be left unturned.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  47. @Vince Tiver

    Tiny Duck, morphing into Tiny Troll.

    • LOL: Liza
  48. danand says:
    @Hail

    “She scored a raw “0.35% Broadly East Asian and Native American” (this figure reported on the margins at the time), with some of that of ambiguous origin, the sort of thing smoothed out in the way most 23andMe-like companies present their data.”

    Hail, perhaps Liz should have submitted one her grandkids DNA samples for the testing? The results likely would have come back indicating ~50% Indian. Heck, there’s at least a chance no-one would have questioned as to weather or not the genes were American or East. And Liz would have had plausible deniability; sample mixup when she sent them all in.

    Liz’s grandkids, son-in-law, and for good measure a pic of Liz from a time when she did look, at least to my eyes, plausibly a little Injun:

    AFD52C98-4910-4426-93FB-09EE132A532A

    F72A0BC5-6374-4955-8BE9-1ECF4F23D6C7

    866451FD-CC97-4ABB-AA6E-B891DB8B80E2

    • Replies: @Hail
  49. J1234 says:

    These are questions that should be asked (if they haven’t already been asked) of Elizabeth Warren in a debate or some other public forum:

    “You represented yourself as Native American when applying to Harvard. If elected, would it be appropriate for people to view you as the first Native American president of the US in the same way that Barrack Obama was widely celebrated as the first African American president? Why or why not?”

    • Replies: @WhereAreTheVikings
  50. An investigation showed Warren didn’t benefit from affirmative action?

    The one conducted by Harvard itself to 1) defend the University’s reputation as an institution not easily duped by third-rate grifters, 2) protect the University against potential lawsuits by the candidates whom she beat out for the job (cause law professors abhor litigation) and 3) defend the idea of affirmative action itself. That investigation?

    One could add a fourth reason — to ensure Harvard hired whomever they wanted for any reason whatsoever. Although I’d actually defend that one.

  51. Bubba says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    Looks like Elizabeth Warren took dance lessons from Karl Rove.

  52. @Jack D

    She is only 99.65% white, not 99.1%.

    Don’t you have this backwards? It should be: “She is 99.65% white, not just 99.1% white”. Or, maybe you are being ironic too, I dunno. Anyway, I also agree with your 1st comment. I don’t know much from this Scott Alexander, but one of the excerpts of his writing that Audacious Epigone featured a few days back didn’t make him out of very smart.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  53. @Hail

    Couldn’t she just take this test over and over until she got an outlier that gave her a full 1% Injun blood or something? It’s like the Medical Boards or the Bar. You’ve gotta be persistent. Her family’s company could have probably given her a volume discount or mistakenly wiped out a bunch of rows in the ACCESS database.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @Travis
  54. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    But gravestones falling over could only be the work of Richard Spencer himself.
    If this credulity theorist gibberish made any sense it would leave us in the exact same position because the staff was reasonably competant for years, for decades, with very few suicides: they became indefensibly worthless for this guy, and none of this matters anyway because nobody will ever be punished. As a result of third world machinations this obvious and nobody ever being held to account for anything, respect for law will erode. This, at the same time that Bloomberg employees in the Virginia state government (who inclide a registered sex offender) are jettisonning procedure and constitution while on video. I’d say the point is downright pedestrian. Lawyers get a lot of guff in the best of circumstances but this is something different.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  55. Hail says: • Website
    @danand

    There were long no pictures online anywhere of Warren’s daughter appearing with her Hindu-Indian husband and family. I wondered why.

    I see someone finally has one up as of late Nov. 2019, via a profile in The Week, an Indian magazine (by Lavina Melwani):

    Sushil Tyagi on his wife Amelia Warren [b.1971]’s parents and on their multicultural family (pictured above):

    [MORE]

    When I married the daughter of two college professors 20 years ago, we had an instant common bond in the value of education. Her parents grew up on the edges of middle class and had found higher education as their path forward in life. Even though I came from a totally different part of the world, I identified with their life story, and I think they identified with mine in some way.

    My family is multicultural just like many, many families across America. We celebrate Diwali lights as well as Christmas lights. We are an American family and as much as I like to teach my kids about Hindu epics, I, too, have much to learn from our local church’s hymn books.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  56. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    How did you find Slate Star Codex originally?

    Are you still a regular reader there? Any insight into why he stopped doing politics?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  57. anon[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morton's toes

    Steve has thousands of fans winnowing the field for him, on SSC and many, many other sites. I go back to long before unz.com days, and was honored to have him follow up one or two of my leads. He has vastly more pairs of eyes now.

  58. @Clifford Brown

    That’s George W. Bush level dancing. Actually, Barack didn’t have much rhythm either.

    • Replies: @black sea
  59. @Jack D

    These questions often start out with assumptions that are not in evidence:

    “Vice President Biden, while the conspiracy theories that your son Hunter had some sort of corrupt arrangement with Burma have been completely debunked, …”

  60. @Jack D

    It used to be that reporters were known for their hard boiled, across-the-board cynical skepticism, which extended to EVERYONE, supposedly even your own mother – “If your mother tells you that she loves you, check it out.”

    When journalism was a blue collar profession, journalists,much like street cops today, had a feel for verisimilitude. They understood how the world works basically. Now that’s it a white collar ‘symbolic analyst’ profession ,they have no feel for verisimilitude at all. That’s how they end up buying into glaring fictions like Smollett and UV kristallnacht and similar.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Jack D
    • Replies: @black sea
  61. @Hail

    Mere coincidence. Tiny is too dumb to do anagrams, even near ones.

  62. @Muggles

    a) Warren has children (never seem to be shown in Warren propaganda)

    That’s not news. Remember she claimed to have been abruptly let go from a teaching job when she got pregnant? (Turned out it was her own choice.)

  63. @Achmed E. Newman

    Couldn’t she just take this test over and over until she got an outlier that gave her a full 1% Injun blood or something?

    Maybe she did do that and this is the best outlier she got.

  64. @Hail

    There are plenty of posts that start with Scott saying, “I’ve never actually learned economics, but I suspect…” and then David Friedman pops into the comments and makes the whole post moot.

    The funny thing is, Scott actually has pretty good intuitions for grasping an economist’s style of thinking, but I guess he has too many pop-Buddhist books cluttering up his reading list before he gets around to a decent text on the topic.

    Same for statistics.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  65. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    because the staff was reasonably competent for years, for decades,

    More facts not in evidence. The US prison system is a clusterfuck – prisoners die all the time. It’s just that most of them are not famous rich white guys. If some ghetto gas station robber is found hanging in his cell, you never read about it. If the guards falsify their logs, they get away with it because no one bothers to check. The guards were even too dumb to recognize that Epstein was a special case and that they couldn’t treat him like shit the way they treat everyone else without a stink being raised.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @anonymous
    , @black sea
  66. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    That’s a great script to retype Jack but the stats for that prison were discussed and you’re filling the comment field with gibberish again. People do die in “prisons” (especially in China) all the time, people successfully commit suicide in that particular prison with those same “incompetant” guards far far less often, but like I said and you necessarily agreed, none of this matters because all of the evidence is gone. It’s like insisting that Lincoln was assassinated: “people” probably die in theaters all the time, and it’s not like either of us were there.
    Were you like this when Rubashkin took the same El Al Express, but without a fake medical pass? Isn’t it overwhelmingly likely that migrant agricultural workers such as Rubashkin’s victims are sexually attacked all the time without consequence, and anyway whatever does widespread unprosecuted violent crime to do with a claim about the collapse of legal authority?

  67. Travis says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    good point

    23andme they indicated my ancestry .2% Native American. But FTDNA show I have zero Native American Ancestry. Different DNA tests will all give slightly different results

    If all Americans who have trace amounts of Native American ancestry claimed to be Native American like Senator Warren, the Population of Native Americans would explode from the current 6 million to around 50 million.

    The American Indian population experienced rapid growth, increasing by 40% from the 2000 census to 2010. The 2000 census counted 4.1 million Native Americans. In 2010 they counted 5.2 million Native Americans. https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/c2010br-10-112019.pdf The 2020 Census may well find a 50% increase in the number of “Native Americans”

  68. J.Ross says:

    Teacher in Florida gets tired of asking Prince of Nubia to not play loud music during class,* this went on for a while; eventually the teacher physically picks up the Prince of Nubia, carries him to the doorway, and shoves him into the hall.
    Teacher is now charged with assault (anarcho-tyrannicaly correct, since assault is any physical contact); the Prince’s concert has resumed, but a superior sound system is anticipated by His Highness what with the looming court battle.

    https://archive.md/LhNGT

    *There is a Snap Judgment tie-in to BLM which is like the hatred agitprop version of Scott Adams’s Parallel Powerpoints. SJ is the same thing as the Moth or several other programs, it’s informal storytelling to “fill out” a propaganda reality with ersatz experiences (a disproportionate number of these volunteer informal stories are about the Holocaust and about trannies. There are several different ones about parents accepting gay kids).
    This particular story is very similar to the above incident. It is not about black violence, but delivers a far more damning complaint about incompatibility.
    tldr chickenhead best friends, who may have been drunk and were definitely not paying attention, balance their car on a concrete highway median (this must not have been the wall type). So far so good, as long as their licenses are revoked. A cop shows up and probably fears drug use. She asks standard opening questions. The storyteller, in the tone of a scolding parent: “She did not ask if we were okay. She did not ask if we were safe.” Chickenhead #2 responds to the cop by assuming the body language of defiance and slowy demanding if the cop is ready to talk. I am not making that up. I almost wish I had the balls to try that. It predictably generates a display of anger from the cop, so C2 does it one more time, just in case the anger was a fluke.

    https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/snapjudgment/episodes/notorious-snap-classic-snap-judgment

    (not sure how to link it properly: the story you’re looking for has the appropriately hysterical and para-sexual title Power: From The Mouths of the Occupied.)

    When blacks insist on preventing their classmates from participating in a school lesson, or when they deposit their Nissan Maximae on a lane barrier and then mess with the responding officer, it has to be asked how they can possibly be part of this society (blacks who assimilate are obviously not part of this issue). Even if non-violent, their disruption can be enough to justify separation. If a white person acted like this, he would be considered insane and carried away.

  69. If this woman can’t finesse simple racial identity inquiries, how will she handle more pressing matters that are sure to come up in the next four years?

    Such as, do we award Yoko Ono a Presidential Medal of Freedom on turning 90?

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
  70. @WowJustWow

    Since we are doing ad-hoc criticism of the slatestarcodex opus I offer this in the spirit of half-assed analysis:

    the most salient point to me is his treatment of psychiatric drugs, which he is all for, and which I wonder why in the hell? He has been taking SSRI’s since before his puberty and claims he is asexual. NO sex drive whatsoever. The one person who he is most closely involved with over the years is a tranny.

    Looking up to this man is positively deranged, absurd, and ludicrous.

    That some of the ideas are pretty great is unarguable. But in the Weinstein-Cowen podcast (or maybe it was the Weinstein-Thiel podcast; I have those two podcasts mixed up in my memory because they were way too long to pay undivided attention toward) Weinstein says Scott is like our most original current public intellectual. This is stupid if you ask me.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
  71. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    “The guards were even too dumb to recognize that Epstein was a special case and that they couldn’t treat him like shit the way they treat everyone else .”

    Mr. D, this is just silly.
    After my 34 years serving in government, including some matters involving the penal system, let me assure you that the prison civil servants, including but not limited to the guards, knew that Epstein was a special case.
    It has nothing to do with intelligence (I recognize from some of your previous posts that you may harbor some skepticism regarding the smarts of the goyim), but with knowledge of the system. Let me assure you that these people knew that a notorious, wealthy and elderly white man was not your average hood rat.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  72. After my 34 years serving in government, including some matters involving the penal system, let me assure you that the prison civil servants, including but not limited to the guards, knew that Epstein was a special case.

    It has nothing to do with intelligence (I recognize from some of your previous posts that you may harbor some skepticism regarding the smarts of the goyim), but with knowledge of the system. Let me assure you that these people knew that a notorious, wealthy and elderly white man was not your average hood rat.

    The issue with these people isn’t that they are goyim, but that they are black products of the quota hiring system. The same system that gives mulligans to blacks in the hiring process also gives mulligans to them for being screw-ups on the job. They thought black privilege would protect them. They may turn out to be right, and get the last laugh.

  73. White people (and East Asians) should be applauded for gaming the affirmative action scam. At this point, it’s astonishingly anti-White and affects nearly every aspect of life. Whites, especially white men, get discriminated against in areas that many here probably don’t realize, like supplying major retailers (not just govt. contracts) with products. Frankly, there should be more nod nod wink wink hiring and purchasing on this basis. until we get rid of this blatant discrimination and make a real effort to be meritocratic.

    So kudos to Elizabeth Warren for getting hired by Harvard, but eff her for just about everything else she’s done since.

    • Replies: @Old and grumpy
  74. @Reg Cæsar

    She’s an amazing talent, how else to explain how should could inspire John Lennon to espouse Marxist propaganda whilst being one of the 400 richest people living in America!

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  75. Jack D says:
    @anonymous

    And yet they couldn’t be bothered to actually do their jobs. They (I am guessing) had never done them before and couldn’t understand why they had to start doing it now and miss out on valuable sleep for the benefit of the old honky.

  76. Cato says:

    I have to confess: I, too, have falsely represented my race in order to advance my career. At one time, I worked in Mexico City, and claimed to be 100% European. It opened lots of doors.

  77. @Morris Applebaum IV

    Lennon was a socialist long before he met Yoko. In his own head, at least. Some of the lines in Harrison’s “Taxman” are supposed to be his suggestions, though.

    Also, arranging a mistress for your husband when you’ll be preoccupied with business is above and beyond the call of duty for any wife.

    Every year on the anniversary of John’s murder, she makes a plea for Americans to stop killing one another. The headlines always claim she “calls for greater gun control”, but that is not the same thing.

  78. black sea says:
    @kaganovitch

    That’s how they end up buying into glaring fictions like Smollett and UV kristallnacht and similar.

    I wonder about how much they really buy into it, and how much they just follow along with the herd, which apparently has almost no career downside for them.

    Journalism is these days an awfully tenuous line of work, I won’t even say “career,” and if you disingratiate yourself with those in charge, you can quickly sabotage your already pretty intern-like job, and then where do you go?

    Journalism at a lot of outlets is already much more like advertising work than investigation.

    • Replies: @Loosely Speaking
  79. @Morton's toes

    The one person who he is most closely involved with over the years is a tranny.

    IIRC, he’s in a “poly” relationship (she has sex with other men, not him, but gosh, he’s such a good friend) she goes by neutral pronouns but he refers to her as his girlfriend, and she works as a camgirl… who binds her breasts.

    I used to think Scott was just congenitally low-T, but it turns out he has a dumpy yet identifiably male body type, male pattern baldness, and a deeper voice than you’d expect. I now get the sense that he’s similar to Scott Aaronson: sexually crippled by deeply internalized anti-masculinity cultural messages that he’s still trying to work through in his own therapy.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  80. black sea says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    George W. Bush danced pretty well, which I took to be further evidence of his stupidity. Bright people are by nature too self-conscious to feel entirely comfortable flailing around in public.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  81. black sea says:
    @Jack D

    If some ghetto gas station robber is found hanging in his cell, you never read about it.

    You may not read about it because it doesn’t seem to be worth your time, or because you happened not to see the story, but it doesn’t go unreported in the media.

  82. @J1234

    You mean the same as when Bill Clinton was widely celebrated as the first African-American president, don’t you?

    • Replies: @J1234
  83. @Bugg

    So her new story is that she’s incompetent as well as dishonest?

    “My judgement is so poor that I lied about being an Indian to benefit from affirmative action when it wasn’t necessary.”

  84. @Morris Applebaum IV

    White women have been beneficiaries of affirmative action from the get go. Didn’t Lizzie graduate from New Jersey’s state school? An achievement Harvard types would never be impressed by.

  85. @Achmed E. Newman

    He’s very smart but he didn’t get the full CrimeThinkUnblocker package so he gets stuck sometimes.

    This is very good:

  86. @black sea

    Don’t think that’s exactly it, though Feynman supposedly had only a 125 IQ so that would fit. I don’t believe it.

    There are a class of high IQ people who are just bad at social skills in general (lack of practice), but there’s no reason for the bright to be particularly self-conscious. Many aren’t at all, either out of greater concern with the physical world on the one hand or the trascendental on the other.

  87. @Desiderius

    Thanks for the Beatles, Desiderius. I think I’d hear that one before but can’t remember – nice riffs.

    and to whomever above who was writing about Yoko Ono, DON’T GET ME STARTED!

  88. Don’t think that’s exactly it, though Feynman supposedly had only a 125 IQ so that would fit. I don’t believe it.

    There is zero chance that’s true though.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  89. @Hail

    You were not addressing me but it appears you would be interested to know:

    Scott Alexander is not his real name.

    He has a practically ancient internet history. The first instance that I know of is on the Yudkowsky site Less Wrong. In those days his userid was Yvain. He was popular and a herder of cats from the first.

    He also has a bunch of stuff on Livejournal which pre-dates slatestarcodex; I forget the Livejournal userid.

    As to why he is evasive about politics, he works in the Bay Area. You probably do not want to know anybody working in the Bay Area who is straightforward about politics. The controversial portion dates from when he was working in Michigan.

    (Apparently Ron Unz is in the Bay Area but if you are self-employed that doesn’t exactly count as working. Unless you are self-employed as an auto mechanic or a plumber. Those are definitely work.)

  90. @Inquiring Mind

    ” White dudes can’t dance”

    So this indicates that Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, Ray Bolger, Jerry Lewis and myriads of other white dudes who most definitely can/could dance, this indicates that they are/were in fact black guys disguised as whites for merchandising reasons?
    Decades ago I was playing in a Blues band with a black guy and an excellent tenor Sax player , and he could not dance period.
    The millions of white Jitterbuggers back in the forties were apparently faking it right?

    Authenticjazzman “mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz performer.

    • Replies: @Coag
  91. Jack D says:
    @kaganovitch

    One of the sections of the IQ test deals with something called “common knowledge”. Feynman refused to learn any fact that he could look up in a book at the time that he needed it, so as not to clutter his mind. He did terrible on his admission test for grad school at Princeton despite being the #1 math student at MIT. He completely flopped on history, etc. – he just didn’t care about anything other than math and physics problems that were interesting to him.

    One of the Princeton profs contacted his buddy at MIT and he told him not to worry about the low test scores – the man was a genius. He also told him not to worry about him being a Jew – he wasn’t a Jewy Jew.

  92. nebulafox says:
    @WowJustWow

    I’ve met Scott in real life. He’s a good guy. Smart guy. Interesting guy. But deeply, deeply nebbishy, with all the physical mannerisms and awkwardness you’d expect.

    And in his defense, I don’t think he’d disagree, and unlike so many people you’ll meet in life, he’s never pretended to be anything he isn’t.

  93. Her ex-husband, eh?

    Unless for indisputable cause (e.g., physical abuse), I reckon being divorced should be a de facto, if not de jure disqualification for public office – certainly for offices as powerful as the federal presidency. Anyone incapable of the commitment, cooperation, and sacrifice required to uphold a sacred oath so somber, or of such poor judgement and care in undertaking such an oath, is hardly the sort of person one wishes to wield such power.

    Ronald Reagan is the only divorced person to have served as president, and he divorced so quickly, so early in his life, and maintained such a lengthy, stable second marriage that American voters – and, at that time, the voters actually were still Americans (not so today) – seem to have overlooked the divorce…but I don’t know that even that grace was wisely dispensed.

    (Of course, I also have a crazy idea that only military veterans should be permitted to hold the presidency, as a prerequisite to their having any credibility whatsoever as commander-in-chief of the armed forces, so I realise I am in the ranks of the kooks.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. Coag says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    ISteve is the absolute last place in the world to try citing statistical outliers in a fallacious attempt to deny the existence of normal distributions.

  95. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Trump is on number three.

    Clinton, Bushes I and II , Carter and Obama were all on the first wife and Carter and both Bushes veterans. Which if any do you consider a good president?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  96. J1234 says:
    @WhereAreTheVikings

    Bill wasn’t widely celebrated, just very publicly celebrated.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  97. @black sea

    Journalism is these days an awfully tenuous line of work, I won’t even say “career,” and if you disingratiate yourself with those in charge, you can quickly sabotage your already pretty intern-like job, and then where do you go?

    It’s obvious from reading or listening to what they generate that almost all of today’s so-called journalists have none of the skills formerly associated with that former profession. When they interview, they can’t begin to probe; when they research, they Google what other misbegotten practitioners have said; when they (try to) write, they think “reined in” is “reigned in” etc.; punctuation and subject-object agreement are a mystery to them.

    What do you expect? With an astronomical number of media online, the main job of publication managers is to find content to fill the space between the ads, and who cares if it’s rubbish? Journalism is about as low-prestige as you can get these days and most of the practitioners are gig-economy penny-a-liners. Not surprisingly, no one with any brains looks to hitch their wagon to a dying industry that is really a form of corporate marketing.

  98. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Dig these cats and chicks:

    The embed code didn’t work last time; here’s the URL:

  99. @Anonymous

    The last good president America had was Theodore Roosevelt.

  100. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Seconded, thirded…ad infinitum:

    This is up there with the old chestnut: “white people don’t have rhythm….”

  101. @Hail

    Big Liz War Chief’s granddaughters have certainly benefited from their (maternal) Indian genes.

    🙂

  102. @J1234

    Haley and myself, we were born in the same hospital in Highland Park, the unique enclave city located entirely within the Detroit city limits.

    The music history of Detroit, Jazz, Blues, R&B, Pop, even country, being enormous and fascinating, including gigantic big band dance halls with space for 5000 dancers on the floor.

    M;yself besides being a Jazz performer for the last fifty years, I am an avid “Temptations” fan.

    AJM

  103. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    209 has most certainly not been repealed. It was an amendment to the State Constitution. Repealing it would take another ballot proposition.

    So, to strengthen what you said: affirmative action, though unconstitutional, is de facto mandatory.

  104. @Anonymous

    Why do you seem to believe that the two are mutually exclusive?

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