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Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?

Detroit is the blackest big city, while Portland is the whitest.

Assume for the sake of simplicity that there are two types of Not-So-Peaceful Protestors: BLM looters and Antifa rioters. The former are disproportionately black and the latter disproportionately white. The former break store windows to steal the merchandise inside, while the latter break store windows to break store windows.

My guess would be that there isn’t too much left to loot in Detroit after all these decades (2020 looting in places like Fifth Avenue and Melrose Boulevard has been unprecedentedly covetous and ambitious). And Detroit is too scary for Antifa, who, while they aren’t scared of the police, are scared of black criminals. Plus, Detroit serves as a sort of giant object lesson that the conventional wisdom of 2020 is stupid.

In contrast, Portland, because of its tiny number of blacks, is ideal for incubating the most extreme versions of Establishment thought among whites.

 
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  1. Because blax are wise, soulful physics professors. Like hidden figures.

    While White People are dumb, animalistic thugs. Like Karate Kid.

    Have you never watched a Hollywood film?

  2. Watch Hollywood films?

    Y’all know blax are great intelligent physics professors, whilst White ppl are dumb thugs.

    Why all the dumb fkw brummie cucks wanna love the BBC pundit Dion Dublin in da (((Barclay’s))) diarrhoea!!!

  3. Because of great circle, Seattle and Portland are closest sea ports to China.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Are you alluding to the deleterious influence of Fu Manchu?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @donut
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    So what ?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Because of Great Circle, Seattle and Portland are only 2 hours closer to China by air than Detroit is - maybe less for Peking vs. Shanghai.

    "Man who fly on Great Circle route across ocean, travel over nothing but land - don't know where, but I'll-ask-her." Confucius jokes don't come out very often. We have a few millennia to work on this one.

  4. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    At bottom, it’s not about blacks – but all about virtual signalling and showing what a ‘good person’ you are.

    As has been said before this Antifa thing is really of the nature of a religious cult, a cult which demands bloody sacrifice to propriate its gods, that is black people. The devotees of the cult – brainless whites – perform the sacred rites of bloody sacrifice all right, but crucially note that although white blood is the only blood acceptable to the gods, its not *their* blood which will be spilled.
    No.
    Of course, it’s the blood of the white trash, the Trump voters, fly over Americans, the contemptible beasts of the field.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    Nyarlathotep . . . the crawling chaos . . . I am the last . . . I will tell the audient void. . . .

    I do not recall distinctly when it began, but it was months ago. The general tension was horrible. To a season of political and social upheaval was added a strange and brooding apprehension of hideous physical danger; a danger widespread and all-embracing, such a danger as may be imagined only in the most terrible phantasms of the night. I recall that the people went about with pale and worried faces, and whispered warnings and prophecies which no one dared consciously repeat or acknowledge to himself that he had heard. A sense of monstrous guilt was upon the land, and out of the abysses between the stars swept chill currents that made men shiver in dark and lonely places. There was a daemoniac alteration in the sequence of the seasons—the autumn heat lingered fearsomely, and everyone felt that the world and perhaps the universe had passed from the control of known gods or forces to that of gods or forces which were unknown. ...

     

    https://hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/n.aspx

    Replies: @Known Fact

    , @Jake
    @Anonymous

    Your opening sentence is partially true. But some whites showing how virtuous they are is not the source. The source is that a very small group of whites - Elites - despise the vast majority of whites. The Elites play the game always to keep the masses of whites locked down as much as possible. Since the Antebellum Era, on both sides of the Atlantic, the Elites of WASP Empire/Anglo-Zionist Empire, have used 'blacks' (n the English sense, Australian Aborigines, Indians, and most East Asians are also black) as their primary weapons and tools in their intra-Anglosphere kulturkampf.

    The political game works this way: the Elites know that easily the most genuinely sympathetic, empathetic, altruistic, charitable people on earth are whites. The most modifier 'genuinely' is important, because the most mercenary people doing charity are Jews, with genetic/religious WAS Elites a fairly close second. That means that the Elites of the Anglosphere know that if it can make the white masses come to feel defining sympathy for 'blacks,' that will lead, when the white masses are post-Christian for all deep-culture purposes and so have psychological need for Confession and Penance that is unmet in religion, to defining guilt among those masses for 'blacks' being what they are.

    The Elites of the WASP Empire always have feared and hated the majority of the white they rule. Always. And they always have played divide and conquer beautifully. And they always act to force assimilation of all whites they come to rule into cultural patterns that serve the interests of the Elites of the WASP/Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    For a revolt against Elites to be successful, the revolt must stand for a culture that is not the one espoused by those Elites. For example, 'commoner' Arabic Wahhabists will not alter in any half meaningful way all that is wrong with contemporary Saudi Arabia even if they kill off every single member of the House of Saud, Arabic Wahhabism would still reign, and Arabic Wahhabims is the basis of all the corruption and evil.

    Persian culture replacing Arabic Wahhabism would be a cultural change that matters. Better still, a culture that is Indo-European Eastern Orthodox would effect great positive change over time.

    WASP Empire Elites use blacks to both terrify the white masses (Bantu black violence is indeed terrifying) and make them waste time and energy and money helping the poor blacks. That and whites acting to tinker with WASP Elite culture rather than see it for what it is and replace it guarantees the horrors get worse, and then worse still.

    Right now, the Elites of Anglo-Zionist Empire are looking to lock down the entire white world and keep filling it with more non-whites trained to blame whites and attack those whites they can reach: the non-Elite whites.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    Antifa are the ultimate in white trash, so I don’t buy it.

    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @Anonymous

    Two things:

    1. As has been claimed about Boomer-Cucks' allegiance to Israel being an issue of vicarious identitarianism (you can safely pro-Israel/Zionist...e.g. for those white people since you can't for your own), I suspect that much of this virtue signaling is really implicit rage for many 1st-world problem whites, who indeed see the world and the country for what it is (i.e. blacks) but have to turn their rage into and on other whites. Think back to the studies done on "homophobic" (that liberals love), which showed, and I completely could see as true, that often the most homophobic people are privately repressed homosexuals. It was studied with gay and/or mixed erotic videos/film and sensors attached to the participants, much like a polygraph. Those who had already completed a questionnaire and were revealed to be the most "homophobic", were actually the most aroused, when watching homosexual activity. If such a study could be conducted on these whites rioting, I suspect you'd find the same level of, in this case, racial repression..race realism-repression.

    2. Along with #1, if the head of the goosesteppers of Antifa, whomever they are--but from a Junior High, celebrity standpoint, suddenly announced to a/the mob that, "now...now we are PRO WHITE and are going to smash anyone against whites" ("we are now at war with Oceana"), those same repressed whites would change alliance/internal motivation a 180. And I think this still will happen, which is why I continue to predict that eventually Antifa will be an explicitly pro-white organization. Perhaps marginally softening itself to "socialism" at first (to avoid the sting of saying pro-white), but the same framework will exist--just in a different direction.

    , @J1234
    @Anonymous

    I think the antifa thing is revealing itself to be, more than anything else, another magnet for the mentally ill. Like homeless populations or tent cities...or, as you said, religious cults. These mental cases are more high functioning than the homeless, with a decidedly nonreligious millenarian focus. Since WW2 America society at large has lived with some degree of dread (or anticipation) of the cataclysmic, thanks largely to the Cold War. This fixation has worked it's way into just about every extreme political perspective or movement or cult from environmentalism to the prepper craze. And if the cataclysm never comes? Well, if you're mentally unstable, you create it yourself.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    , @SMK
    @Anonymous

    The "virtue-signally" and violence of BLM and Antifa is all about blacks and white "racism." Albeit Portland is only 5.3% black and Seattle only 6/7% black, there would be no mass protests decrying "police brutality" and the "murder" of George Floyd and "systemic racism" and no BLM and Antifa riots and terrorism if these cities and all of the U.S. had no blacks. If not for blacks, ther'd be no BLM or Antifa.

    As for Detroit: what would be the point of a BLM protest against "systemic racism" in a city that is 80% black and in which whites are less than 10% of the population and have virtually no power. And if white Antifa were insane enough to protest and riot in Detroit, they'd be crushed, brutally and viciously, by black criminals who commit hundreds of rapes and murders each year and thousands of assaults and other violent felonies.

  5. Detroit is too scary for Antifa, who, while they aren’t scared of the police, are scared of black criminals.

    And boy, is that ever telling. Antifa are insane but not stupid.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • LOL: Stan d Mute
  6. Plus, Detroit serves as a sort of giant object lesson that the conventional wisdom of 2020 is stupid.

    Right. Detroit is the logical conclusion to the ideology of antifa. For them to go agitating there would be the equivalent of Western fellow travellers holding a conference in a gulag camp.

    There was a famous debate in the Oxford Union in 1933 on the motion “This House will under no circumstances fight for its King and country” (passed). Less well known was a motion before the Cambridge Union the previous year: “This house sees more hope in Moscow than in Detroit”.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Rob McX


    Less well known was a motion before the Cambridge Union the previous year: “This house sees more hope in Moscow than in Detroit”.
     
    These guys were prophets.
    , @Dumbo
    @Rob McX

    Well... The world goes round and nowadays, contrary to in the 30s, there *is* more hope in Moscow than in Detroit.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Rob McX

    '...Less well known was a motion before the Cambridge Union the previous year: “This house sees more hope in Moscow than in Detroit”.'

    It's ironic that that has become an eminently defensible statement.

    One could say that the Cambridge Union was just way ahead of its time.

    Well, that time has come. For worse rather than better -- but it's come.

  7. This probably has more to do with organization and shadowy support than anything. Don’t fool yourself; these events are not organic, and they are not caused by the populations in the locales.

    For whatever reason, Portland has more organization and support for this SHOW, while Detroit evidently doesn’t. There may be strategic reasons for the manipulation of public opinion. Every one of these places is a stage being used, more or less, for purposes of molding perceptions and bringing down the populist, anti-globalist uprising.

    It will subside, perhaps to some degree at least, when President Harris is sworn in to replace Biden — but it will be brought back, wherever most effective, whenever it is needed afterward.

    So will Corona-chan or her successor.

    Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buzz Mohawk


    So will Corona-chan or her successor.
     
    Jim's Blog is predicting Preznit Harris will simply use an endless stream of emergencies to transform the country, with examples to be made of resisters.

    https://blog.jim.com/war/war-is-coming/

    The Democrats intend to immanentize the eschaton through emergency. It is a path that allows them to move along without any underlying agreement on what the eschaton is going to look like or any single authority that is attempting to impose one eschaton rather than another. Should the Democrats win, expect an unending stream of emergencies backed by startling violence.
     
    , @Kronos
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I thought this was a good summery.

    https://youtu.be/Rjo8ev8Oi9Y

    , @Yawrate
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I've lived in SE Michigan for 60 years. There are a number of reasons Detroit ended up like it is. The riot of 1967 started the white flight from Detroit. This wasn't so bad for the city because many fine homes were for sale cheap. But many businesses were devastated which greatly slowed redevelopment.

    Then the mayors of Detroit started using the city as their own private slush fund. They never did anything to relieve the burden of pensions. Corruption and inefficiency at all levels of government was rife. This all culminated in what was locally known as the "family and friends" program under mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. He ended up in prison for his corruption (still there too!).

    And in the middle of the mayoral corruption NAFTA happened. Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Toledo, Lansing, Wixom just to name a few cities, were devastated by a closing and shrinking automobile industry. The people of Detroit abandoned homes in droves. The 2008 housing debacle was the final straw. Thousands of homes were then destroyed as part of blight mitigation. When you fly over the city you can see the open space.

    Detroit ended up filing for bankruptcy. It's creditors getting pennies on the dollar. The governor at the time, Rich Snyder, saved the Detroit museum of art (owned by the city) from creditors by twisting corporate arms to buy the museum then give it to a non-profit. The museum houses world class art donated by the scions of the auto industry and was considered an asset to creditors.

    The current mayor appears to be hard working and honest and won a second term despite being white. The police chief well remembers 1967 and with the mayor's approval is very quick to confront the few rioters that show up. Further, I think many in Detroit realize they've been given a second chance and are unwilling to burn it all down.

    Detroit bottomed out about 5 years ago. No where to go but up.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Bill

    , @Anonymousse
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It will subside, perhaps to some degree at least, when President Harris is sworn in to replace Biden

    When no one really knows the future, I wonder why some people insist on imagining only the worst possibilities. Just a different flavor of cope for uncertainty I guess

  8. You’re basically right about the Antifa being too scared to go there. Detroit lacks the white provocateurs. If blacks tried to loot Detroit black-owned businesses, they’d likely get shot. I am willing to bet that rate of gun ownership in Detroit is higher than that of Portland.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Anon

    "Detroit black-owned businesses"?

    All five of them?

  9. And Detroit is too scary for Antifa, who, while they aren’t scared of the police,

    They would be scared of them in a city where the police were allowed to be the police and where the DA wouldn’t dismiss all charges for any arrested.

    Antifa is scared of suburbanites.

  10. I agree with Sailer’s last suggestion, that in largely white places all sorts of romantic notions about black people can “incubate” and reach an intensity of moral fervor that a week’s vacation in Anacostia would quench.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Tono Bungay

    Wiki:

    Anacostia's... downtown is located at the intersection of Good Hope Road and Martin Luther King, Jr. Avenue.

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @Tono Bungay

    "in largely white places all sorts of romantic notions about black people can “incubate” and reach an intensity of moral fervor"

    Which explains why the good people of Iowa gave Obama the big win which ultimately led to his presidency.

  11. Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.

    Portlandia has attracted neo-Marxist youth for decades. Keese Love, the place-kicker for the Portland Nights team, was a native of Miami until recently. In my neighborhood, a Green Party organizer set up a neighborhood association so he could claim enough expertise to get civil service employment in the the coastal Northwest. As soon as he had the job offer, he dropped our neighborhood association like a hot potato. Portland, Seattle, Eugene, Austin, Ann Arbor are all “sinks” that attract and absorb Commie wannabes. I guess the “sources” (thinking in terms of a source-sink model) are especially university towns all over. But really nice places like Ann Arbor, Athens, and Gainesville have a loop in the graph feeding back on themselves, i.e., some leftist losers treat the source as a sink because they’re too comfortable or lazy to move on.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Bert

    A left-wing, government worker.

    Almost. Every. Single. Time.

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Bert

    True what you say but the Pacific Northwest isn't Ann Arbor or Austin.

    The Northwest is home to some humbling natural features. Big mountains, deep water sailing, steep ski runs, dangerous back country skiing, alpine climbing that brings with it deaths on the glaciers every year, dangerous ocean kayaking, vast impenetrable forests of giant trees etc. etc.

    It's not a country to play at playing around in. You've got to take your play seriously. It weeds out the weak, the stupid and the incompetent.

    So there's an edge there that you don't get anywhere else in the lower 48. They may be social liberals but they're blue collar about outdoor recreation. Posers die. You've got to dress for survival every time you venture up in the mountains or out on the Sound. Water temp 54 degrees means hypothermia within half an hour.

    So, make fun of the Pacific Northwest, laugh at the gays on Capitol hill, but there are some serious, hard-core, outdoor athletes there.

    Replies: @anon, @anon

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Bert


    really nice places like Ann Arbor, Athens, and Gainesville have a loop in the graph feeding back on themselves, i.e., some leftist losers treat the source as a sink because they’re too comfortable or lazy to move on.
     
    They’ve also been recession proof boom towns for the past two decades. Ann Arbor alone saw something like 4 Billion in construction since Y2K while admin staff at the Universities and Colleges has ballooned. During the recession especially, the money spigots were running full blast into these towns along with the federal agencies.
  12. Living in the Detroit and seeing demonstrations pass under my windows many times, I think this article is off the mark.

    Detroit has, for a change, a decent administration which has tried hard to revive the city. I did witness some tense police moments in the early days, in the housing projects across the street, but eventually the police has used a very light touch that has not ruffled any feathers. They always show a lot of patience when herding back the masses after a protest. Curfews were a joke, although I suspect that Whitmer did crack down more on the whiter parts of the state. The new Detroit culture, with many young whites having been in contact with blacks for a decade now (I would be a multi-millionaire if I had invested in Detroit real estate in 2011), generated mostly mixed black-white demonstrations, with bicycles and people walking dogs. I have experienced many instances of whites and blacks collaborating on neighborhood issues.

    So Detroit has been calm. I even sold my gun (although that is due to me traveling, and when I will return, I will go live in an italian neighborhood). The economic future is bleak since the car industry is in free fall. But the main difference is a more evolved culture in Detroit, at least when it comes to getting along, which does not reject the original culture of the working classes, as well as good admin. Portland was and is full of flakes all the way to the top.

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Troll: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Anon7
    @glib

    Right. Detroit is an example of a Democrat-run city (Black Democrat mayors took over after the 1967 riots by 1970) that was deliberately taken over by a Republican governor (Rick Snyder).

    It was the largest municipal bankruptcy filing in US history, I think. The city was forced by Snyder to file in 2013 for $20 billion. Many creditors were forced to accept 15 to 75 cents on the dollar. It solved a lot of problems for the city.

    I believe that many properties in the city were sold to anyone willing to invest, also for pennies on the dollar. This encouraged long-overdue investment in the city, which has actually worked to some extent. Detroit's unemployment rate declined steadily until Covid-19, which hit the city's black population hard - maybe 4,000 deaths in 500,000 population. White and black owned businesses were doing well until Covid.

    Sure, Detroit has plenty of criminal activity; drive-by shootings, gas station robberies, senseless strafings of block parties, etc. But the city now has a sensible white guy, although a Democrat, running it since 2014, who was also a county prosecutor and county executive.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @glib

    Detroit's black police chief publicly said he wasn't putting up with any of this crap. His force is behind him, and so is the mayor. That's all you need.

    Portland cops have the means to stop this shite, but they have no support from the mayor and the local prosecutor will put the morons they arrest back on the street in 24 hours. So why bother to do more than go through the motions, collect the OT and work on GTFO?

    , @Stan d Mute
    @glib


    I did witness some tense police moments in the early days, in the housing projects across the street, but eventually the police has used a very light touch that has not ruffled any feathers.
     
    Oh for fuck sake, seriously? These poor readers don’t know that you are describing about a 10 block area of well fortified (and many long abandoned boarded-up) redevelopment surrounded by miles of burned out post industrial wasteland. You make it sound like you’re describing the city, not a minuscule enclave favored by billionaires like Dan Gilbert, Roger Penske (Steve should reflect on what Penske’s boy is up to out there), the Ford family, the Ilitch family, and to a lesser extent the Maroun family and Peter Karmanos. After the hood rats raped the Shinola store, what’s left? Are they gonna storm MotorCity Casino?

    The way you write, people are going to think Detriot is like the garden city on Lake Erie ...


    Pick one. Note that you don’t hear much about rioting/looting in Cleveburg or Buffalo either..

    Replies: @glib

  13. Hey you time serving rum soaked short haul pensioner , pass my post .

    • LOL: JMcG
  14. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Because of great circle, Seattle and Portland are closest sea ports to China.

    Replies: @El Dato, @donut, @Achmed E. Newman

    Are you alluding to the deleterious influence of Fu Manchu?

    • LOL: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @El Dato

    "Fu Manchu"

    Fu Manchu versus Dracula. My favorite imaginary movie.

  15. And Detroit is too scary for Antifa, who, while they aren’t scared of the police, are scared of black criminals.

    That’s why whatever diversity we have needs to be pushed on liberal White areas. They need to be shamed for not having more Blacks and Browns.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @RichardTaylor

    "That’s why whatever diversity we have needs to be pushed on liberal White areas. "

    Odd thing about that, liberal Whites are the ones who gentrify Black areas, pushing Blacks out.

  16. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    “Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?”

    Because OMNI Consumer Products is keeping things under control:

    In all seriousness, though, it is amazing how shitty these American inner cities like Detroit, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Chicago, etc, are. Cities completely devoid of charm, of nice architecture, completely utilitarian living centered around heavy manufacturing(and now not even that), a terrible weather with Winter temperatures that often drop below -22 F, and then rise to over 104 F during summer time with scorthing humidity, etc. Like a hypotehtical mixture of Moscow with Rio de Janeiro. Who the hell wants to live in those dumps? They were already toxic dumps back in the 1950’s and 1960’s when at least they had a strong economy, as all the pollution and toxic sewege from industry was dumped there. Now, they are barren wastelands as jobs moved to China. The horrible climate and dystopian cities with no charm are still there, and now they have massive poverty to add to that mix.

    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving .

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    There are a few nice buildings and parks in Chicago.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized living .
     
    Yes, quite a few people who live in Manhattan say that.
    , @Lot
    @Anonymous

    “ Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving”

    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

    Kind of surprised me when I first visited, nobody mentions this in the tourist guides. Like the manure smell in farm country, I think Manhattanites are just used to the smell of fetid hot trash.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    In Europe, people of means live in the cities. In America, they live in the suburbs and then commute for whatever purpose they have (nightlife, dining, shopping, etc). In many cases, that stuff gets sent out to the suburbs too.

    Manhattan is one of the few exceptions to that.

    If you don't like living in the suburbs and commuting, Europe is a better option.

    You'll find that the Euros often place their bad immigrant-heavy neighborhoods in the suburbs. In America, it's the opposite. Those neighborhoods are often in the inner cities.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @Anonymous

    It's so much fun to stroll down the Magnificent Mile on a nice day. You can people -watch all the well dressed men striding so purposefully on their way to do important things,and the beautiful women in their designer clothes. You can window shop the brand's you see on tv. Look,it's Ferragamo,ha ha.

    Hello,what's this? A car pulls up and negroes emerge. I'm sure everything is fine!😄

    , @Joseph A.
    @Anonymous

    As a native Cincinnatian who lived a year in Paris (5th arr.) and 15 years in D.C. (Capitol Hill) -- meaning that I've had the chance to make informed comparisons of "great cities" with my homeland -- I find this comment largely ignorant (though absolutely correct regarding the climate). Midwestern cities have much gorgeous architecture and an extensive cultural inheritance (music, museums, other institutions of learning), though places like Detroit and, to some extent, St. Louis have let their patrimony decay. Cincinnati is featured in many films because of the lovely 19th century era streets and buildings. Much charm. However, these cities' greatest appeal is their people. I spent a fair amount of time in Michigan, and I've found (sub/urban, white) Michiganders the closest people, culturally, to (sub/urban, white) Ohioans -- and I have a special place in my heart for them -- good, hardy, civic-minded people with a strong dose of realism (impressed, no doubt, by the unpleasant aspects of our cities). D.C., by contrast, is full of self-centered, ladder-climbing, shallow-souled rats who worship no one but themselves. There is a lot to say for the Beltway, but it attracts an ugly sort of human being (internally, that is). There are plenty of arses in the Midwest, of course, but they make up a much smaller proportion of the population.

    In addition, there is a positive aspect to living in a place with the worst of all seasons -- it's easier to travel. One reads all sorts of warnings before visiting the tropics or places as cold as a witch's tit, and then you go and wonder what the fuss was all about.

  17. Because the organizers of this (and of the opposition to this) have a vested interest in keeping it Black vs. White.

    They could probably make a legitimate case for protesting some of Detroit PD’s practises. But (1) that would bring up awkward questions about how lack of funding is affecting on-the-ground policing and (2) Detroit is Black run and the organizers (if not the ordinary people) don’t want to face that.

    Look at the awkwardness after they protested Joseph Mensah. It was no more egregious than what they do to White people every day, but the organizers didn’t want to acknowledge that Black cops can be…problematic.

    And the organizers of the anti Woke brigade finally got their collective finger out once the target was Black and they didn’t have to face ambivalence or accusations of racism. That was noted: the Woke organizers will stick to White targets because it’s easier. And the counter Woke folks will acquiesce because it’s easier to point to an irreversible situation and use it to corral Whites together than to actually do anything about it.

  18. OT
    Wu-flu discovered to be transmitted by ball sweat. Govoner of Maine mandates elizebethian collars to prevent ball-licking by restaurant staff.

    Restaurant Servers in Maine Ordered to Wear Dog ‘Cones of Shame’ While Serving Food

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    This one fine young lady in this one photo has over the past week been seen by more people than she could have ever imagined -- but while wearing a stupid pet cone, also almost literally unimaginable. Life is full of odd twists

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    White elites enjoy humiliating white proles.

  19. “why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George?”

    Two reasons, each possible and the truth is probably a mix of the two

    1/ Detroit is essentially a black city, all the whites have gone. The people who fund/arrange/encourage/amplify/lawyer up the protests want to intimidate and depress whites, and there are few left to intimidate. Same to some extent in Baltimore. St Paul/Minnesota, on the other hand, was a famously nice white place in a famously nice white state. Perfect target.

    2/ Detroit is essentially a black city, all the whites have gone*. The people who enjoy looting stores and intimidating whitey face to face don’t have many to intimidate, and those who remain must be a pretty hard bunch (or else live in cellars – be interesting to know more about them), so where’s the fun in that?

    Is general gangbanger violence actually down in Detroit, given its smaller population? That’s not so politically/ethnically motivated, so I’d expect it to rise.

    https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/violent-weekend-in-detroit-seven-killed-15-shootings-and-stabbing-calls-two-quadruple-shootings

    According to Craig, 33 people were shot this weekend and seven died.

    At the Eagle Coney Island on Dexter and Joy Sunday night, three men were murdered and another man shot, but he survived. Horrific video of the aftermath made the rounds on social media, too graphic to show.

    Craig announced a 25-year-old man with a violent past is in police custody, arrested seven hours after the quadruple shooting.

    Craig says there is a number of factors at play in the increase in gun violence in other major cities as well as Detroit.

    The stress of the pandemic with a work shutdown that lasted months.
    The early release of prisoners due to COVID-19
    The need to redirect officers to monitor daily Black Lives Matter rallies

    In addition, to that, violent crime is up by seven percent.

    * White people come from all over the world to tour Detroit’s ruins, as they do with the remains of any great civilisation of the past. That’s really a humiliation for America, but no one who writes op-eds seems to notice. This piece says its getting better, but a friend did a tour last summer so it’s still a thing.

    https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2018/08/16/detroit-ruin-porn/979984002/

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @S
    @YetAnotherAnon


    White people come from all over the world to tour Detroit’s ruins, as they do with the remains of any great civilisation of the past.
     
    A bit like how they visited ancient Rome's ruins as part of the Grand Tour at one time.


    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H5nS5ROKqn8/UYwyY6v0xlI/AAAAAAAAFV8/UgP5PsWUgWw/s1600/GrandTour-Rome-FA-Panini2-main.jpg
  20. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, Antifa is like the Westboro Baptist Church. They’re a pack of nutjobs with an issue on the brain, and they’re going around bothering everybody about it with their moronic demonstrations.

    Anyone in Antifa, or in sympathy with Antifa, is a very, very silly person who needs to get a life.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Anon

    Antifa are the (((regime's))) extrajudicial enforcers and shock troops.

    , @Authenticjazzman
    @Anon

    " They're a pack of nutjobs with an issue on the brain"

    Antifa originated in Germany, the epicenter of human lunacy.

    AJM, native Detroiter, "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    DT 2020

    , @duncsbaby
    @Anon

    Their silliness is being coddled and encouraged by the Dems, academia and the media. Their silliness is being accepted as normal adult behavior. They aren't in for a big wake-up call, they will keep shaping society to their insane ends.

  21. The same lesson applies to why Seattle got a CHAZ zone while cities with a much lower proportion of whites did not. There is a radical leftist element among US whites which is ethnicially tinged. Many of them may not think of it that way, but it’s an implicit identity marker delineated by race.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    , @Murray
    @Thulean Friend

    I suspected this as well: irony of ironies, Antifa is an implicit white identity movement.

    If you indoctrinate people from infancy into the notions that their ancestral civilization is irredeemably evil and that their historical achievements were all stolen from others at gunpoint, you'd expect that to destroy all tendencies to racial identification. But like religion, ethnic identity is very hard to kill, so it just manifests itself in weird and perverse movements like Antifa, DSA, and similar organizations. Behold your new white identity!

  22. Is Detroit even still a city?

    Skip to 5:00 for the tour.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Alarmist

    No. Like any core municipality, it's a city fragment. The actual dense settlement sprawls over Wayne, Oakland, Macomb, and Washtenaw Counties and has a population of about 4 million. What's unusual about Detroit's core municipality (now down to about 17% of the total) is that it's almost coterminous with the slums. Most core municipalities have a mess of congenial territory. Not so Detroit. Have a look at a map of homicides occurring in any given year. They're remarkably evenly dispersed. There are no good neighborhoods.

    Replies: @International Jew

  23. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    "Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?"

    Because OMNI Consumer Products is keeping things under control: https://youtu.be/Z931XZ2wfpE

    In all seriousness, though, it is amazing how shitty these American inner cities like Detroit, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Chicago, etc, are. Cities completely devoid of charm, of nice architecture, completely utilitarian living centered around heavy manufacturing(and now not even that), a terrible weather with Winter temperatures that often drop below -22 F, and then rise to over 104 F during summer time with scorthing humidity, etc. Like a hypotehtical mixture of Moscow with Rio de Janeiro. Who the hell wants to live in those dumps? They were already toxic dumps back in the 1950's and 1960's when at least they had a strong economy, as all the pollution and toxic sewege from industry was dumped there. Now, they are barren wastelands as jobs moved to China. The horrible climate and dystopian cities with no charm are still there, and now they have massive poverty to add to that mix.

    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving .

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Lot, @JohnnyWalker123, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Joseph A.

    There are a few nice buildings and parks in Chicago.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    No, I don't think so. I have been to Chicago. The few parks they have are copied from other cities. There is no artistic integrity to any of it. It is a barren, lifeless city build exclusively on utilitarian grounds. When I was there in early February, 2016, it was -25 F. With the wind effect, the actual thermic sensation was of -94 F. There was a public warnign that you should stay in as you could die in as little as 10 minutes of exposure. Then, when I had been in Chicago years before during Summer time, I stood outside the airport for 2 hurs waiting for a friend to pick me up and it was 105 F with over 90% air humidity. I actually had a hypotensive emergency and had to be medicated. It reminded me of Calcuta, another city I had visited during Summer time. How can human beings live like that?

    Recently, Chicago has been trying to be like Paris. This is ridiculous. Paris is very much like Elvis: the original is *always* much better than the many copies. No city can be like Paris, just like no one can do Elvis like the original. There is another issue: Paris can only be Paris because of where it is located. A city designed around beautiful public architecture and spaces for leisure can only work if the natural environment allows you to take advantage of it. Paris has a very mild climate compared to Chicago, with peaks during the Summer seldom going above 82 F and in the coldest days of Winter seldom going below 28 F. So you can enjoy open spaces years round. But in Chicago, you are home bound for 8-9 months of the years.

    The fact is that the American Midwest is a continental grassland that was never meant for human occupation.

    I cannot see how anyone could live in these American inner cities except for business. And this has nothing to do with being either a liberal or conservative. For a liberal, these cities lack charm and artistic integrity. For a conservative, the kind that values having kids above all other concerns, these cities lack safe open spaces for kids to play and they will be house bound for most of the time. You are better off maving to a small city where kids can play in the open. You still have to deal with terrible weather, but at least is is safer for kids.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

  24. The riots in Portland aren’t protests, they’re territory marking. The people rioting are being given political cover because of the righteousness of their cause and intent. (Not to violate Goodwin’s law, but the same could be said for Kristallnacht) Or, indeed, because the modern centre-left can’t argue against it. Who will be the first man to argue for a ne plus ultra for the demands made in the name of blacks as a collective? Is there a limit? Is there a counter interest harmed? One can’t name the white man. God forbid you suggest the activists have taken things too far or that their political narrative isn’t entirely based on reality.

    It’s not that people in Portland are with them but that these people represent an extreme which is more tolerated there than elsewhere and whose Democratic party falls prey easily to people who sympathise with them. And the hipster encampment in Portland proves a ready ground for recruits for antifa.

    Portland is a city with a very established population, not much recent immigration prior to 1990, that wave has not yet demographically matured, almost every Gen Y and above born in Portland grew up in schools filled almost entirely with locals who were ethnically Anglo-Saxon with some Irish and some German ancestry. (Basically if the US Men’s and Women’s soccer teams represented America instead of an America from 1920.) That has a powerful effect.

    This is a very high trust, altruistic and empathetic place. People felt more free to be creative and embrace the public space, to have ownership of their city. Of course, just like Copenhagen it attracts hipsters who would be the first to decry the very ethnic homogeneity that birthed what they like about it and those with nominally left wing politics who are more like radical individualistic social defectors. (Who might advocate ‘communism’ but be exactly the kind of people who would not be tolerated by a communistic regime.) It may cause confusion to Americans since most Americans don’t live in a place like that but basically Portland is like a little slice of a small North West Europe country.

    Another factor is that Portland has a larger black population then I’d realised but it’s still quite small. Meaning that there is a big enough population to make policing a political issue but small enough that the stakes are much lower, probably nil for the upper middle classes.

    On the topic of the current vogue for street violence. The new Batman trailer depicts Batman beating a man to the ground and then continuing to hit him hard while he is down after being asked ‘Who the hell are you supposed to be?’. He then answers ‘Vengence’. The question is, will certain members of the audience take that as validating their desire to ‘punch a Nazi’. Or will Batman, always a kind of reactionary character (Whose cooperation with the police ironically makes him more reaction in 2020) be taken as an avatar of those who oppose the antifa since they insist on dressing so much like the guy who had his head smashed after he was already on the ground.

    Regardless, probably not a good time for Batman to decide to relish violence.

    • Replies: @Elmer T. Jones
    @Altai

    The "wall of moms" and sister organization the "wall of dads' have got to be the most laffable parodies of virtue signaling yet. They get gussied up in their useless bike-helmet riot gear and signs so they can get photos of their anti-racist activism to post on facebook as a prophylactic against accusations of racism. Yet they won't live near any blacks or send their kids to school with them.

    We have about 20 million blacks here in the midwest. Cost of housing is reasonable and lots of jobs actually. Despite criticism from other commenters here the midwest has some real charms and the people are generally nicer than trendier locales such as Boulder or Seattle. Those brave Portland souls could move here and enjoy actual blacks participating in their protests. Or better, the government should relocate about 500,000 blacks each to Portland and Seattle along with some rent subsidies. The Antifa protests would quickly wilt under the radiance of the sun peoples.

    , @Svigor
    @Altai

    LOL, are you kidding?

    There's a 100% chance that Batman beats up on Deplorables in that film. Proud Boys types, WN types, both, but it'll be something like that. I wouldn't be surprised at a warm hello to BLM and antifa types (AKA, "peaceful protestors"), either.

    Maybe take a couple minutes to read up on who owns Hollywood?

    Edit: the only way that wouldn't be the case would be if the movie has been in the can since before 2016.

    Replies: @Altai

  25. @Thulean Friend
    The same lesson applies to why Seattle got a CHAZ zone while cities with a much lower proportion of whites did not. There is a radical leftist element among US whites which is ethnicially tinged. Many of them may not think of it that way, but it's an implicit identity marker delineated by race.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Murray

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don’t seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    If you go by Andy Ngo's mugshots (Which he could obviously be selecting to give a certain perspective) they seem to be mostly redolent of Portland's ethnic white demographics. Lots of Anglo Saxons, Irish and some Germans, Norwegians and Italians. Occasionally get non-whites and East Europeans and Jews who do seem to be over-represented but not to the point of domination of arrests at any rate.

    From the videos they look like what Ngo's mugshots suggest, mostly North West European, old stock Portlandians of middle and upper middle class origins. They come from Portland's hipster milieu which is outsized and can support an antifa organisation or two. And every single one looks like they have some combination of cluster B personality disorders.

    Perhaps they are augmented by outsiders but they don't seem to be too heavy on the ground. It seems like a bunch of people who all grew up in Portland and who all know each other from the hipster milieu are just having fun together.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    , @Patrick Sullivan
    @Steve Sailer

    Antifa and especially its leaders seem to be disproportionately hispanic.

    As for Detroit it has a no-nonsense police chief, James Craig, who announced clearly that Detroit wouldn't be putting up with Portland-style looting and violence.

    Replies: @For what it's worth

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Anfita Wobble, but they don't fall down ... yet.

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Generally, Jewish people don't do stupid.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    , @Svigor
    @Steve Sailer

    The "freedom riders" were jevvish, but there was no "freedom rider" activity in heavily jevvish cities like NYC or LA.

    You're the one who talked about the eye of (((soros))) beaming out from heavily jevvish New York Times into not-jevvish places like Ferguson...

    , @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Industrious Wankers of the World. Mobblies.

    , @Pop Warner
    @Steve Sailer

    Jews don't do that grunt work, they're content to finance the operation and bail out the criminals. Look for the green hats from the National Lawyers Guild who are there to "observe," I'd bet that they aren't Lutherans

    , @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    There are two metropolitan settlements with proportionately large Jewish populations (New York and Miami) and two with above-average Jewish populations (Washington and Boston). Pretty much everywhere else in the country, the Jewish share of the population is < 2%.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Hibernian, @kaganovitch

    , @Kinda Salty
    @Steve Sailer

    I grew up in Portland. Antifa seems to be made up of a lot of locals drawn from the white working class with some violent lefty transplants sprinkled in. These people did not grow up with any real contact with the black underclass which seems to make lefty politics more palatable to them. Now, I live near the a large East Coast city and the white working class tends to be religious (lots of Irish and Italian Catholics) and lean right. Most of them have lived adjacent to poor blacks and have no delusions about them. They'll let you know all about their colorful experiences over a few beers.

    Replies: @ATBOTL

    , @Kinda Salty
    @Steve Sailer

    To clarify my last comment -- the local white working class of the NW are a mishmash of various European groups. I personally never knew of any self-identified Swedes or Finns when I lived there. They really don't have an ethnic identity in any meaningful way. This lack of identity makes them different from the whites in other places with ethnic white enclaves, like in areas of the East Coast.

    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes the Nordic angle is strong. Nordics are the Jews of white Europeans—high intelligence to the point of atheism, great productivity, sacrifice to the socialist good. Unlike Jews they don’t seem to circle the wagons as much and have a suicidal tinge at their core.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer


    Who are Antifa ethnically?
     
    Mostly Teutonics & Nordics, I guess.
    , @ATBOTL
    @Steve Sailer

    Antifa on the East Coast is very heavily Jewish.

    , @duncsbaby
    @Steve Sailer

    Most whites are no longer just one ethnicity. My mom was from England but all her grandkids are multi-white-ethnic: German, English, Belgian, Scottish, French, Norwegian, Polish (hell one branch of grandkids just did their 23andMe & found out they had some Ashkenazi Jewish). You may think you see Finns or Swedes but most American whites are one merry mix-up. They are the ethnicity of White.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    , @Jtgw
    @Steve Sailer

    Gus Hall, the perennial Communist presidential candidate, was Finnish.

  26. The equipment is being purchased as the cash provided for bail by someone. GoFundMe efforts (which never get deregistered) and sorosphere cash laundered through cut-outs. It’s policy right now to fund some places and not others, one of the criteria being that local officials (diBilgio, Wheeler, Gardner, &c) are in cahoots with you.

  27. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    If you go by Andy Ngo’s mugshots (Which he could obviously be selecting to give a certain perspective) they seem to be mostly redolent of Portland’s ethnic white demographics. Lots of Anglo Saxons, Irish and some Germans, Norwegians and Italians. Occasionally get non-whites and East Europeans and Jews who do seem to be over-represented but not to the point of domination of arrests at any rate.

    From the videos they look like what Ngo’s mugshots suggest, mostly North West European, old stock Portlandians of middle and upper middle class origins. They come from Portland’s hipster milieu which is outsized and can support an antifa organisation or two. And every single one looks like they have some combination of cluster B personality disorders.

    Perhaps they are augmented by outsiders but they don’t seem to be too heavy on the ground. It seems like a bunch of people who all grew up in Portland and who all know each other from the hipster milieu are just having fun together.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Altai

    "And every single one looks like they have some combination of cluster B personality disorders."

    And all cursed with ugly, asymmetrical faces and bad skin. Most of them have vacant druggie eyes as well. Low sexual market value incel losers.

  28. Compton be safe too, yo.
    Dem skinny ass college crackas don’t be messin’ wit da hood.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Escher

    >>Compton be safe too, yo.
    Dem skinny ass college crackas don’t be messin’ wit da hood.<<

    Watch a few episodes of "Black Jesus." One of the only real funny comedies on television. I think it is actually shot in Compton with a nearly all black cast (or locals anyway.)

    No antifa like hipsters to be seen. Pretty non violent place but armed.

    Some St. George type characters too, but not the BLM stereotype. I don't watch many obscure comedy shows or streaming stuff, but this one is too good to be true. If Jesus came back like this, going to church would be fun and worthwhile.

  29. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    "Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?"

    Because OMNI Consumer Products is keeping things under control: https://youtu.be/Z931XZ2wfpE

    In all seriousness, though, it is amazing how shitty these American inner cities like Detroit, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Chicago, etc, are. Cities completely devoid of charm, of nice architecture, completely utilitarian living centered around heavy manufacturing(and now not even that), a terrible weather with Winter temperatures that often drop below -22 F, and then rise to over 104 F during summer time with scorthing humidity, etc. Like a hypotehtical mixture of Moscow with Rio de Janeiro. Who the hell wants to live in those dumps? They were already toxic dumps back in the 1950's and 1960's when at least they had a strong economy, as all the pollution and toxic sewege from industry was dumped there. Now, they are barren wastelands as jobs moved to China. The horrible climate and dystopian cities with no charm are still there, and now they have massive poverty to add to that mix.

    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving .

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Lot, @JohnnyWalker123, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Joseph A.

    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized living .

    Yes, quite a few people who live in Manhattan say that.

    • LOL: Muggles
  30. Maybe The Clash had a clearer understanding. Always one of my favs.

  31. @Anonymous
    At bottom, it's not about blacks - but all about virtual signalling and showing what a 'good person' you are.

    As has been said before this Antifa thing is really of the nature of a religious cult, a cult which demands bloody sacrifice to propriate its gods, that is black people. The devotees of the cult - brainless whites - perform the sacred rites of bloody sacrifice all right, but crucially note that although white blood is the only blood acceptable to the gods, its not *their* blood which will be spilled.
    No.
    Of course, it's the blood of the white trash, the Trump voters, fly over Americans, the contemptible beasts of the field.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jake, @Ben tillman, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @J1234, @SMK

    Nyarlathotep . . . the crawling chaos . . . I am the last . . . I will tell the audient void. . . .

    I do not recall distinctly when it began, but it was months ago. The general tension was horrible. To a season of political and social upheaval was added a strange and brooding apprehension of hideous physical danger; a danger widespread and all-embracing, such a danger as may be imagined only in the most terrible phantasms of the night. I recall that the people went about with pale and worried faces, and whispered warnings and prophecies which no one dared consciously repeat or acknowledge to himself that he had heard. A sense of monstrous guilt was upon the land, and out of the abysses between the stars swept chill currents that made men shiver in dark and lonely places. There was a daemoniac alteration in the sequence of the seasons—the autumn heat lingered fearsomely, and everyone felt that the world and perhaps the universe had passed from the control of known gods or forces to that of gods or forces which were unknown. …

    https://hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/n.aspx

    • Thanks: TWS
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Pericles

    Yeah yeah great stuff HP, but get to the end, where all the foul oozing gibbering monsters rampage through the portal into our helpless and disbelieving world

  32. The Detroit race riot of 1967 was the major turning point in the eventual destruction of the once great city. In the aftermath productive whites cleared out, Coleman Young, a Robert Mugabe-style sort of guy, took over, and the rest as they say is history — of the ugliest kind.

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-detroit-riots-of-1967-and-its.html

  33. @Altai
    The riots in Portland aren't protests, they're territory marking. The people rioting are being given political cover because of the righteousness of their cause and intent. (Not to violate Goodwin's law, but the same could be said for Kristallnacht) Or, indeed, because the modern centre-left can't argue against it. Who will be the first man to argue for a ne plus ultra for the demands made in the name of blacks as a collective? Is there a limit? Is there a counter interest harmed? One can't name the white man. God forbid you suggest the activists have taken things too far or that their political narrative isn't entirely based on reality.

    It's not that people in Portland are with them but that these people represent an extreme which is more tolerated there than elsewhere and whose Democratic party falls prey easily to people who sympathise with them. And the hipster encampment in Portland proves a ready ground for recruits for antifa.

    Portland is a city with a very established population, not much recent immigration prior to 1990, that wave has not yet demographically matured, almost every Gen Y and above born in Portland grew up in schools filled almost entirely with locals who were ethnically Anglo-Saxon with some Irish and some German ancestry. (Basically if the US Men's and Women's soccer teams represented America instead of an America from 1920.) That has a powerful effect.

    This is a very high trust, altruistic and empathetic place. People felt more free to be creative and embrace the public space, to have ownership of their city. Of course, just like Copenhagen it attracts hipsters who would be the first to decry the very ethnic homogeneity that birthed what they like about it and those with nominally left wing politics who are more like radical individualistic social defectors. (Who might advocate 'communism' but be exactly the kind of people who would not be tolerated by a communistic regime.) It may cause confusion to Americans since most Americans don't live in a place like that but basically Portland is like a little slice of a small North West Europe country.

    Another factor is that Portland has a larger black population then I'd realised but it's still quite small. Meaning that there is a big enough population to make policing a political issue but small enough that the stakes are much lower, probably nil for the upper middle classes.

    On the topic of the current vogue for street violence. The new Batman trailer depicts Batman beating a man to the ground and then continuing to hit him hard while he is down after being asked 'Who the hell are you supposed to be?'. He then answers 'Vengence'. The question is, will certain members of the audience take that as validating their desire to 'punch a Nazi'. Or will Batman, always a kind of reactionary character (Whose cooperation with the police ironically makes him more reaction in 2020) be taken as an avatar of those who oppose the antifa since they insist on dressing so much like the guy who had his head smashed after he was already on the ground.

    Regardless, probably not a good time for Batman to decide to relish violence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbUEueLx-eU

    Replies: @Elmer T. Jones, @Svigor

    The “wall of moms” and sister organization the “wall of dads’ have got to be the most laffable parodies of virtue signaling yet. They get gussied up in their useless bike-helmet riot gear and signs so they can get photos of their anti-racist activism to post on facebook as a prophylactic against accusations of racism. Yet they won’t live near any blacks or send their kids to school with them.

    We have about 20 million blacks here in the midwest. Cost of housing is reasonable and lots of jobs actually. Despite criticism from other commenters here the midwest has some real charms and the people are generally nicer than trendier locales such as Boulder or Seattle. Those brave Portland souls could move here and enjoy actual blacks participating in their protests. Or better, the government should relocate about 500,000 blacks each to Portland and Seattle along with some rent subsidies. The Antifa protests would quickly wilt under the radiance of the sun peoples.

  34. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Because of great circle, Seattle and Portland are closest sea ports to China.

    Replies: @El Dato, @donut, @Achmed E. Newman

    So what ?

  35. A critical mass of people in Detroit are illiterate. They don’t pay attention to current events, especially national stories. I find most of the residents philistine and uncultured. My dad installed granite countertops in his kitchen. He joked to his real estate agent that the color should be called starry night because it looked like the Van Gogh painting.

    She didn’t know who Van Gogh was. If white female home sellers aren’t familiar with massively popular artists, I’m assuming that a lot of the underclass population doesn’t keep up with current events and may not even know who George Floyd is.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Kyle

    This is true of lots of middle and upper class white metropolitan Detroit and suburbs people.

    If it doesn't get you a white collar desk job at an automaker, if it doesn't get you an engineering job at an automaker or supplier, if it doesn't help you try to build wealth like an old Detroit family, then they're not interested.

    No intellectual curiosity, in fact, an antipathy to intellectual curiosity.

    , @Dube
    @Kyle

    She didn’t know who Van Gogh was.

    He could have taken his real estate agent to the Detroit Institute of Arts to show her.

    https://www.dia.org/sites/default/files/styles/events_main/public/22.13_cropped.png?itok=Wj3qkhZb

    And the DIA has a special exhibition of Van Gogh paintings coming up in October.
    https://www.dia.org/events/van-gogh-america.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  36. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:

    Watching the street footage from Portland its striking how even small numbers of blacks dominate public spaces and the people around them. They are also the ones who usually start violent confrontations, causing peaceful situations to turn suddenly deadly.

    It get a strong impression that this is what Boston in 1770 must have looked like.

  37. There is a limit to what a blogger can do without actually traveling to places like Portland to talk to people and find out what they think is going on.

    All you can do is have an opinion and be aware that your opinion may be formed by your own biases.

    Even the mainstream media are not very reliable in respect to actual boots-on-the-ground reporting, but I am sure there are good stories to be told.

    • Replies: @istevecop
    @Jonathan Mason

    You're right, we lack serious boots on the ground journalism. Most on scene reporting is propaganda looking for the best images and video snips to push a narrative.

    All gas no brakes does some good stuff. Lots of his videos break the golden rule of never interviewing lower class blacks in their natural environments.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Jonathan Mason

    Even the mainstream media are not very reliable in respect to actual boots-on-the-ground reporting

    That's understandable, since MSM reporters are under orders not to tell the truth about what's actually happening.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  38. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Antifa and especially its leaders seem to be disproportionately hispanic.

    As for Detroit it has a no-nonsense police chief, James Craig, who announced clearly that Detroit wouldn’t be putting up with Portland-style looting and violence.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @For what it's worth
    @Patrick Sullivan

    James Craig has appeared on Tucker Carlson. Apparently he lived through the Rodney King riots of 1992 and said he wouldn't let that happen in Detroit.

  39. @Anonymous
    At bottom, it's not about blacks - but all about virtual signalling and showing what a 'good person' you are.

    As has been said before this Antifa thing is really of the nature of a religious cult, a cult which demands bloody sacrifice to propriate its gods, that is black people. The devotees of the cult - brainless whites - perform the sacred rites of bloody sacrifice all right, but crucially note that although white blood is the only blood acceptable to the gods, its not *their* blood which will be spilled.
    No.
    Of course, it's the blood of the white trash, the Trump voters, fly over Americans, the contemptible beasts of the field.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jake, @Ben tillman, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @J1234, @SMK

    Your opening sentence is partially true. But some whites showing how virtuous they are is not the source. The source is that a very small group of whites – Elites – despise the vast majority of whites. The Elites play the game always to keep the masses of whites locked down as much as possible. Since the Antebellum Era, on both sides of the Atlantic, the Elites of WASP Empire/Anglo-Zionist Empire, have used ‘blacks’ (n the English sense, Australian Aborigines, Indians, and most East Asians are also black) as their primary weapons and tools in their intra-Anglosphere kulturkampf.

    The political game works this way: the Elites know that easily the most genuinely sympathetic, empathetic, altruistic, charitable people on earth are whites. The most modifier ‘genuinely’ is important, because the most mercenary people doing charity are Jews, with genetic/religious WAS Elites a fairly close second. That means that the Elites of the Anglosphere know that if it can make the white masses come to feel defining sympathy for ‘blacks,’ that will lead, when the white masses are post-Christian for all deep-culture purposes and so have psychological need for Confession and Penance that is unmet in religion, to defining guilt among those masses for ‘blacks’ being what they are.

    The Elites of the WASP Empire always have feared and hated the majority of the white they rule. Always. And they always have played divide and conquer beautifully. And they always act to force assimilation of all whites they come to rule into cultural patterns that serve the interests of the Elites of the WASP/Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    For a revolt against Elites to be successful, the revolt must stand for a culture that is not the one espoused by those Elites. For example, ‘commoner’ Arabic Wahhabists will not alter in any half meaningful way all that is wrong with contemporary Saudi Arabia even if they kill off every single member of the House of Saud, Arabic Wahhabism would still reign, and Arabic Wahhabims is the basis of all the corruption and evil.

    Persian culture replacing Arabic Wahhabism would be a cultural change that matters. Better still, a culture that is Indo-European Eastern Orthodox would effect great positive change over time.

    WASP Empire Elites use blacks to both terrify the white masses (Bantu black violence is indeed terrifying) and make them waste time and energy and money helping the poor blacks. That and whites acting to tinker with WASP Elite culture rather than see it for what it is and replace it guarantees the horrors get worse, and then worse still.

    Right now, the Elites of Anglo-Zionist Empire are looking to lock down the entire white world and keep filling it with more non-whites trained to blame whites and attack those whites they can reach: the non-Elite whites.

  40. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Because of great circle, Seattle and Portland are closest sea ports to China.

    Replies: @El Dato, @donut, @Achmed E. Newman

    Because of Great Circle, Seattle and Portland are only 2 hours closer to China by air than Detroit is – maybe less for Peking vs. Shanghai.

    “Man who fly on Great Circle route across ocean, travel over nothing but land – don’t know where, but I’ll-ask-her.” Confucius jokes don’t come out very often. We have a few millennia to work on this one.

  41. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Anfita Wobble, but they don’t fall down … yet.

  42. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Generally, Jewish people don’t do stupid.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Anonymous

    Jews always hire someone do the stupid for them.
    Anti-fa is a spook entity.
    Real anti fascists would be bombing Marriner Eccles and 33 Liberty St., NSA, CIA, MIC, Wall Street, et al.
    No, AF goes up against The Proud Boys in a TV wrestling match up.
    The historical equivalent of AF is Hitler's SA aka Storm Troopers.
    "its primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties"
    AF's future is a Night of Long Knives.
    Useful idiots until they are no longer useful.

  43. It’s best to avoid cities with many white liberals, who ruin everything they touch (e.g. cities, colleges, churches, America).

  44. Don’t forget that Portland would be an ideal place to move Blacks from Chicago and other potentially gentrifiable places to.

    • Agree: By-tor
  45. Off topic, but by the number of Peloton adverts on Sky TV in the UK, everyone’s forgotten whatever the fuss about one of their adverts was, oh, months ago. I think the implication in the ad was “buy this for your woman to keep her slender and fit“, which is obviously outrageous sexism – what women wants to be slender and fit?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloton_(company)#The_Gift_That_Gives_Back_ad_controversy

  46. @Anonymous
    At bottom, it's not about blacks - but all about virtual signalling and showing what a 'good person' you are.

    As has been said before this Antifa thing is really of the nature of a religious cult, a cult which demands bloody sacrifice to propriate its gods, that is black people. The devotees of the cult - brainless whites - perform the sacred rites of bloody sacrifice all right, but crucially note that although white blood is the only blood acceptable to the gods, its not *their* blood which will be spilled.
    No.
    Of course, it's the blood of the white trash, the Trump voters, fly over Americans, the contemptible beasts of the field.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jake, @Ben tillman, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @J1234, @SMK

    Antifa are the ultimate in white trash, so I don’t buy it.

  47. @Anon
    Basically, Antifa is like the Westboro Baptist Church. They're a pack of nutjobs with an issue on the brain, and they're going around bothering everybody about it with their moronic demonstrations.

    Anyone in Antifa, or in sympathy with Antifa, is a very, very silly person who needs to get a life.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Authenticjazzman, @duncsbaby

    Antifa are the (((regime’s))) extrajudicial enforcers and shock troops.

  48. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    The “freedom riders” were jevvish, but there was no “freedom rider” activity in heavily jevvish cities like NYC or LA.

    You’re the one who talked about the eye of (((soros))) beaming out from heavily jevvish New York Times into not-jevvish places like Ferguson…

  49. @Altai
    The riots in Portland aren't protests, they're territory marking. The people rioting are being given political cover because of the righteousness of their cause and intent. (Not to violate Goodwin's law, but the same could be said for Kristallnacht) Or, indeed, because the modern centre-left can't argue against it. Who will be the first man to argue for a ne plus ultra for the demands made in the name of blacks as a collective? Is there a limit? Is there a counter interest harmed? One can't name the white man. God forbid you suggest the activists have taken things too far or that their political narrative isn't entirely based on reality.

    It's not that people in Portland are with them but that these people represent an extreme which is more tolerated there than elsewhere and whose Democratic party falls prey easily to people who sympathise with them. And the hipster encampment in Portland proves a ready ground for recruits for antifa.

    Portland is a city with a very established population, not much recent immigration prior to 1990, that wave has not yet demographically matured, almost every Gen Y and above born in Portland grew up in schools filled almost entirely with locals who were ethnically Anglo-Saxon with some Irish and some German ancestry. (Basically if the US Men's and Women's soccer teams represented America instead of an America from 1920.) That has a powerful effect.

    This is a very high trust, altruistic and empathetic place. People felt more free to be creative and embrace the public space, to have ownership of their city. Of course, just like Copenhagen it attracts hipsters who would be the first to decry the very ethnic homogeneity that birthed what they like about it and those with nominally left wing politics who are more like radical individualistic social defectors. (Who might advocate 'communism' but be exactly the kind of people who would not be tolerated by a communistic regime.) It may cause confusion to Americans since most Americans don't live in a place like that but basically Portland is like a little slice of a small North West Europe country.

    Another factor is that Portland has a larger black population then I'd realised but it's still quite small. Meaning that there is a big enough population to make policing a political issue but small enough that the stakes are much lower, probably nil for the upper middle classes.

    On the topic of the current vogue for street violence. The new Batman trailer depicts Batman beating a man to the ground and then continuing to hit him hard while he is down after being asked 'Who the hell are you supposed to be?'. He then answers 'Vengence'. The question is, will certain members of the audience take that as validating their desire to 'punch a Nazi'. Or will Batman, always a kind of reactionary character (Whose cooperation with the police ironically makes him more reaction in 2020) be taken as an avatar of those who oppose the antifa since they insist on dressing so much like the guy who had his head smashed after he was already on the ground.

    Regardless, probably not a good time for Batman to decide to relish violence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbUEueLx-eU

    Replies: @Elmer T. Jones, @Svigor

    LOL, are you kidding?

    There’s a 100% chance that Batman beats up on Deplorables in that film. Proud Boys types, WN types, both, but it’ll be something like that. I wouldn’t be surprised at a warm hello to BLM and antifa types (AKA, “peaceful protestors”), either.

    Maybe take a couple minutes to read up on who owns Hollywood?

    Edit: the only way that wouldn’t be the case would be if the movie has been in the can since before 2016.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Svigor

    I'm not talking about the plot, I'm talking about the imagery and how people will feel. Will people consign his violence to him being a violent psychopathic anti-hero or will they see Batman continuing to beat a man after he was down and think "Maybe it is acceptable".

    Either way, having the ultimate symbol of taking the law into your own hands relishing violence and talking about being 'vengence' seems like something the world could do without right now.

  50. Chocolate cities are Never calm.

  51. Anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:

    Wiki says Portland population has doubled since 1980. Big steady growth for past three decades.

    The strong Portland 70s/80s radical environmental movement (logging wars, save the whales) started the magnet effect the gravitational pull to suck in lunatics from the rest of the country.

    These assholes were spiking trees 50 years ago. It’s Kook City now after population flow from Kalifornia.

    This is another pasty place with a huge vitamin D deficiency issue. Mope-tard culture is entrenched. Everybody is depressed and angry. Famously unhappy town. Can you say reservation effect.

  52. Great analysis!!!

    But then again Steve,

    Portland leads the country in Vegan eateries per square mile. Detroit not so much.

    Like I have been saying Antifa is a plant based diet driven phenom. Strict plant base diets royally screw with one’s sex hormones.

    Antifa = Vegan ISIS.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @anonymous

    >>Antifa = Vegan ISIS.<<

    Interesting theory. But lacking in evidence.

    You could conduct an experiment to find out. Jail some antifa types and feed them nothing but meat and a few veggies/fruit. If some resist that then meat only.

    Hunger is the universal motivator. Every real brutal dictatorship ends up relying on that for obedience. So in a week or two you'd find out about changed political opinions. They'd be reciting the Pledge of Allegiance for their next greasy hamburger soon enough.

    Usually the stereotype is that male meat eaters are the violent brutes. Who knew eggplant could be so dangerous?

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @anonymous

    , @stillCARealist
    @anonymous

    No, it's alcohol and pot, just like everywhere. Pot makes you stupid, alcohol makes you violent.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @anonymous

    Muslims don't eat that much meat. Whatever is driving their aggression, it's probably not diet.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Daily_meat_consumption_per_person%2C_OWID.svg/1200px-Daily_meat_consumption_per_person%2C_OWID.svg.png

  53. S says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George?"

    Two reasons, each possible and the truth is probably a mix of the two

    1/ Detroit is essentially a black city, all the whites have gone. The people who fund/arrange/encourage/amplify/lawyer up the protests want to intimidate and depress whites, and there are few left to intimidate. Same to some extent in Baltimore. St Paul/Minnesota, on the other hand, was a famously nice white place in a famously nice white state. Perfect target.

    2/ Detroit is essentially a black city, all the whites have gone*. The people who enjoy looting stores and intimidating whitey face to face don't have many to intimidate, and those who remain must be a pretty hard bunch (or else live in cellars - be interesting to know more about them), so where's the fun in that?

    Is general gangbanger violence actually down in Detroit, given its smaller population? That's not so politically/ethnically motivated, so I'd expect it to rise.

    https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/violent-weekend-in-detroit-seven-killed-15-shootings-and-stabbing-calls-two-quadruple-shootings


    According to Craig, 33 people were shot this weekend and seven died.

    At the Eagle Coney Island on Dexter and Joy Sunday night, three men were murdered and another man shot, but he survived. Horrific video of the aftermath made the rounds on social media, too graphic to show.

    Craig announced a 25-year-old man with a violent past is in police custody, arrested seven hours after the quadruple shooting.

    Craig says there is a number of factors at play in the increase in gun violence in other major cities as well as Detroit.

    The stress of the pandemic with a work shutdown that lasted months.
    The early release of prisoners due to COVID-19
    The need to redirect officers to monitor daily Black Lives Matter rallies

    In addition, to that, violent crime is up by seven percent.
     

    * White people come from all over the world to tour Detroit's ruins, as they do with the remains of any great civilisation of the past. That's really a humiliation for America, but no one who writes op-eds seems to notice. This piece says its getting better, but a friend did a tour last summer so it's still a thing.

    https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2018/08/16/detroit-ruin-porn/979984002/

    Replies: @S

    White people come from all over the world to tour Detroit’s ruins, as they do with the remains of any great civilisation of the past.

    A bit like how they visited ancient Rome’s ruins as part of the Grand Tour at one time.

  54. @glib
    Living in the Detroit and seeing demonstrations pass under my windows many times, I think this article is off the mark.

    Detroit has, for a change, a decent administration which has tried hard to revive the city. I did witness some tense police moments in the early days, in the housing projects across the street, but eventually the police has used a very light touch that has not ruffled any feathers. They always show a lot of patience when herding back the masses after a protest. Curfews were a joke, although I suspect that Whitmer did crack down more on the whiter parts of the state. The new Detroit culture, with many young whites having been in contact with blacks for a decade now (I would be a multi-millionaire if I had invested in Detroit real estate in 2011), generated mostly mixed black-white demonstrations, with bicycles and people walking dogs. I have experienced many instances of whites and blacks collaborating on neighborhood issues.

    So Detroit has been calm. I even sold my gun (although that is due to me traveling, and when I will return, I will go live in an italian neighborhood). The economic future is bleak since the car industry is in free fall. But the main difference is a more evolved culture in Detroit, at least when it comes to getting along, which does not reject the original culture of the working classes, as well as good admin. Portland was and is full of flakes all the way to the top.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan d Mute

    Right. Detroit is an example of a Democrat-run city (Black Democrat mayors took over after the 1967 riots by 1970) that was deliberately taken over by a Republican governor (Rick Snyder).

    It was the largest municipal bankruptcy filing in US history, I think. The city was forced by Snyder to file in 2013 for $20 billion. Many creditors were forced to accept 15 to 75 cents on the dollar. It solved a lot of problems for the city.

    I believe that many properties in the city were sold to anyone willing to invest, also for pennies on the dollar. This encouraged long-overdue investment in the city, which has actually worked to some extent. Detroit’s unemployment rate declined steadily until Covid-19, which hit the city’s black population hard – maybe 4,000 deaths in 500,000 population. White and black owned businesses were doing well until Covid.

    Sure, Detroit has plenty of criminal activity; drive-by shootings, gas station robberies, senseless strafings of block parties, etc. But the city now has a sensible white guy, although a Democrat, running it since 2014, who was also a county prosecutor and county executive.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon7


    Sure, Detroit has plenty of criminal activity; drive-by shootings, gas station robberies, senseless strafings of block parties, etc. But...
     
    No need to read further.

    Replies: @Anon7

  55. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Industrious Wankers of the World. Mobblies.

  56. In contrast, Portland, because of its tiny number of blacks, is ideal for incubating the most extreme versions of Establishment thought among whites.

    True. Portland is probably the only big city in America where a white adult male can walk around in a stuffed animal costume or a dress and not get the shit kicked out of himself by young black dudes.

  57. My guess would be that there isn’t too much left to loot in Detroit after all these decades (2020 looting in places like Fifth Avenue and Melrose Boulevard has been unprecedentedly covetous and ambitious). And Detroit is too scary for Antifa, who, while they aren’t scared of the police, are scared of black criminals.

    That’s a good point. After 70 years of diversity anything worth looting in Detroit is long gone. I wonder what it’s like being the only white man in Detroit though…

  58. @Buzz Mohawk
    This probably has more to do with organization and shadowy support than anything. Don't fool yourself; these events are not organic, and they are not caused by the populations in the locales.

    For whatever reason, Portland has more organization and support for this SHOW, while Detroit evidently doesn't. There may be strategic reasons for the manipulation of public opinion. Every one of these places is a stage being used, more or less, for purposes of molding perceptions and bringing down the populist, anti-globalist uprising.

    It will subside, perhaps to some degree at least, when President Harris is sworn in to replace Biden -- but it will be brought back, wherever most effective, whenever it is needed afterward.

    So will Corona-chan or her successor.

    Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Kronos, @Yawrate, @Anonymousse

    So will Corona-chan or her successor.

    Jim’s Blog is predicting Preznit Harris will simply use an endless stream of emergencies to transform the country, with examples to be made of resisters.

    https://blog.jim.com/war/war-is-coming/

    The Democrats intend to immanentize the eschaton through emergency. It is a path that allows them to move along without any underlying agreement on what the eschaton is going to look like or any single authority that is attempting to impose one eschaton rather than another. Should the Democrats win, expect an unending stream of emergencies backed by startling violence.

  59. @Buzz Mohawk
    This probably has more to do with organization and shadowy support than anything. Don't fool yourself; these events are not organic, and they are not caused by the populations in the locales.

    For whatever reason, Portland has more organization and support for this SHOW, while Detroit evidently doesn't. There may be strategic reasons for the manipulation of public opinion. Every one of these places is a stage being used, more or less, for purposes of molding perceptions and bringing down the populist, anti-globalist uprising.

    It will subside, perhaps to some degree at least, when President Harris is sworn in to replace Biden -- but it will be brought back, wherever most effective, whenever it is needed afterward.

    So will Corona-chan or her successor.

    Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Kronos, @Yawrate, @Anonymousse

    I thought this was a good summery.

  60. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Jews don’t do that grunt work, they’re content to finance the operation and bail out the criminals. Look for the green hats from the National Lawyers Guild who are there to “observe,” I’d bet that they aren’t Lutherans

    • Agree: Lot
  61. @The Alarmist
    Is Detroit even still a city?

    https://youtu.be/sFJsXev3eU0

    Skip to 5:00 for the tour.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No. Like any core municipality, it’s a city fragment. The actual dense settlement sprawls over Wayne, Oakland, Macomb, and Washtenaw Counties and has a population of about 4 million. What’s unusual about Detroit’s core municipality (now down to about 17% of the total) is that it’s almost coterminous with the slums. Most core municipalities have a mess of congenial territory. Not so Detroit. Have a look at a map of homicides occurring in any given year. They’re remarkably evenly dispersed. There are no good neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Art Deco


    They’re remarkably evenly dispersed. There are no good neighborhoods.
     
    Thermal equilibrium.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    There are two metropolitan settlements with proportionately large Jewish populations (New York and Miami) and two with above-average Jewish populations (Washington and Boston). Pretty much everywhere else in the country, the Jewish share of the population is < 2%.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Art Deco

    And LA isn't even the most Jewish city in Cali. That would be SF.

    Replies: @Deckin

    , @Hibernian
    @Art Deco

    Leaving out LA and Chicago, at the very least.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    There are two metropolitan settlements with proportionately large Jewish populations (New York and Miami) and two with above-average Jewish populations (Washington and Boston). Pretty much everywhere else in the country, the Jewish share of the population is < 2%.

    Not so. The Jewish population percentage in the following metro areas is higher than 2%.
    Chicago - >3%
    Denver - >3%
    San Diego - 3%
    Philadelphia - 4.5%
    LA - 4.5%
    SF - >5%

    Replies: @res

  63. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    I grew up in Portland. Antifa seems to be made up of a lot of locals drawn from the white working class with some violent lefty transplants sprinkled in. These people did not grow up with any real contact with the black underclass which seems to make lefty politics more palatable to them. Now, I live near the a large East Coast city and the white working class tends to be religious (lots of Irish and Italian Catholics) and lean right. Most of them have lived adjacent to poor blacks and have no delusions about them. They’ll let you know all about their colorful experiences over a few beers.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @Kinda Salty


    Now, I live near the a large East Coast city and the white working class tends to be religious (lots of Irish and Italian Catholics) and lean right.
     
    "Ethnic" whites on the East Coast have a sense of detachment from American culture. They tend to not be so influenced by American media/religion/politics/mass culture. In general, they do not follow trends, fashions or fads that sweep WASP/Protestant/Southern/Midwestern America. You see this in everything from haircuts to conversation topics.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  64. The second night of the gay blacks and jews from the trendy suburbs of Detroit having their demonstration and play fighting with police, some real blacks showed up and started blasting.

    The next week the same gay blacks and jew crowd tried an afternoon demonstration at 6 Mile after the cops shot a banger who shot at them, because they arrested his friend.

    The pastor and the guy’s family were lying like usual, but the chief showed up with the video, told them it was all a lie, and then told them they were in a violent ghetto and they had to haul ass. Then the gunshots all over after dark convinced them, as did all the freeway and coney island (local small ghetto diners) shootings more or less at random the last three months

    • Thanks: Muggles
  65. Pantyface has free rein/reign in Portlandia because the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office refuses to prosecute these terrorist thugs, just like they refused to prosecute the violent Occupards back in 2011.

    Pantyface has ventured a few times into rural or suburban areas only to turn tail and run when locals showed up and exercised their rights under the Second Amendment.

    Pantyface is a bunch of cowardly fags enabled by even faggier DA’s offices.

  66. @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    If you go by Andy Ngo's mugshots (Which he could obviously be selecting to give a certain perspective) they seem to be mostly redolent of Portland's ethnic white demographics. Lots of Anglo Saxons, Irish and some Germans, Norwegians and Italians. Occasionally get non-whites and East Europeans and Jews who do seem to be over-represented but not to the point of domination of arrests at any rate.

    From the videos they look like what Ngo's mugshots suggest, mostly North West European, old stock Portlandians of middle and upper middle class origins. They come from Portland's hipster milieu which is outsized and can support an antifa organisation or two. And every single one looks like they have some combination of cluster B personality disorders.

    Perhaps they are augmented by outsiders but they don't seem to be too heavy on the ground. It seems like a bunch of people who all grew up in Portland and who all know each other from the hipster milieu are just having fun together.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “And every single one looks like they have some combination of cluster B personality disorders.”

    And all cursed with ugly, asymmetrical faces and bad skin. Most of them have vacant druggie eyes as well. Low sexual market value incel losers.

  67. …every single one looks like they have some combination of cluster B personality disorders.

    This has really become a trend at this site lately ie. people who seem to believe they can diagnose psychiatric disorders, based solely on an examination of a single photograph of another person.

    I’m pretty sure there’s not much in the way of any rational basis for that belief.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Sadly your 50 minutes are up; please see the receptionist on your way out to set your next appointment. Rest assured we're making real progress...

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    "This has really become a trend at this site lately ie. people who seem to believe they can diagnose psychiatric disorders, based solely on an examination of a single photograph of another person."

    The lines in our faces don't lie. Frown lines denote a perpetually depressed person.

    Strong vertical lines on the brow between the eyes denote perpetual anger.

    Strong horizontal lines across the brow denote a person wracked with anxiety. Also bugged out eyes indicate anxiety and perpetual irrational fear, ie crazy eyes.

    Crows feet around the eyes denote someone who smiles and laughs a lot. Deep lines above the corners of lips denote the same.

    Avoid any deep relationship with the first three facial phyz - I don't care how otherwise attractive they are - and seek relationships with the fourth phyz.

  68. A more interesting question would be why Sam Francisco has not gone the way of Portland. The whites there are at least as liberal, and form a plurality if not a majority. But San Fran also has a lot more Asians, who probably have very little tolerance for this sort of thing.

    • Replies: @san joaquin sam
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    San Francisco is way too expensive for commie white trash to live in. And its too much hassle to live nearby and commute into the city for organized commie shenanigans. The cost and logistics just don't work.

    The hard-lefty crowd now lives in the East Bay, but the threat of black random violence--even death like that Berkeley student--is very real and keeps the white trash commie action somewhat limited.

    Replies: @cynthia curran

    , @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    San Francisco has steadily evolved into an expensive, tech-oriented city, pushing out the fringey types that are attracted to leftist radicalism. While the cost of living in Portland has been going up it's still way cheaper. Of course there are legions of homeless but no one's organizing them to smash and loot the expensive stores in Union Square.

    Bay Area radicalism is centered across the bay in Oakland, with some spillover into Berkeley. Downtown Oakland has flareups of looting and destruction every few years and while there was an orgy of destruction in the immediate wake of the martyrdom of St. George of Fentanyl it's been remarkably quiet since, nothing like the cities to our north.

  69. @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    There are two metropolitan settlements with proportionately large Jewish populations (New York and Miami) and two with above-average Jewish populations (Washington and Boston). Pretty much everywhere else in the country, the Jewish share of the population is < 2%.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Hibernian, @kaganovitch

    And LA isn’t even the most Jewish city in Cali. That would be SF.

    • Replies: @Deckin
    @Brutusale

    I'm not sure where you get that. There's a very famous synagogue in SF (very close to Dianne Feinstein's home), but on the whole, when compared to LA the Jewish presence in SF is quite slight. The city was historically much more dominated by Italians in the latter half of the 20th century--Alioto, Barbagelata, Moscone--and their central vehicle for building wealth and power was real estate). After that, the Chinese, who had historically been backseat partners (led by Rose Pak), moved more to the front of the line. I've lived in it or its environs my whole life and I didn't meet any number of Jews until I went to Berkeley as an undergrad--and they were, to a one, all from LA.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Brutusale

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    To clarify my last comment — the local white working class of the NW are a mishmash of various European groups. I personally never knew of any self-identified Swedes or Finns when I lived there. They really don’t have an ethnic identity in any meaningful way. This lack of identity makes them different from the whites in other places with ethnic white enclaves, like in areas of the East Coast.

  71. Plausible, Steve. Compelling. Your conjecture contradicts no knowledge or experience of mine. It sounds about right.

    Detroit versus Portland. Most interesting.

  72. @Thulean Friend
    The same lesson applies to why Seattle got a CHAZ zone while cities with a much lower proportion of whites did not. There is a radical leftist element among US whites which is ethnicially tinged. Many of them may not think of it that way, but it's an implicit identity marker delineated by race.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Murray

    I suspected this as well: irony of ironies, Antifa is an implicit white identity movement.

    If you indoctrinate people from infancy into the notions that their ancestral civilization is irredeemably evil and that their historical achievements were all stolen from others at gunpoint, you’d expect that to destroy all tendencies to racial identification. But like religion, ethnic identity is very hard to kill, so it just manifests itself in weird and perverse movements like Antifa, DSA, and similar organizations. Behold your new white identity!

  73. @Svigor
    @Altai

    LOL, are you kidding?

    There's a 100% chance that Batman beats up on Deplorables in that film. Proud Boys types, WN types, both, but it'll be something like that. I wouldn't be surprised at a warm hello to BLM and antifa types (AKA, "peaceful protestors"), either.

    Maybe take a couple minutes to read up on who owns Hollywood?

    Edit: the only way that wouldn't be the case would be if the movie has been in the can since before 2016.

    Replies: @Altai

    I’m not talking about the plot, I’m talking about the imagery and how people will feel. Will people consign his violence to him being a violent psychopathic anti-hero or will they see Batman continuing to beat a man after he was down and think “Maybe it is acceptable”.

    Either way, having the ultimate symbol of taking the law into your own hands relishing violence and talking about being ‘vengence’ seems like something the world could do without right now.

  74. @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    There are two metropolitan settlements with proportionately large Jewish populations (New York and Miami) and two with above-average Jewish populations (Washington and Boston). Pretty much everywhere else in the country, the Jewish share of the population is < 2%.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Hibernian, @kaganovitch

    Leaving out LA and Chicago, at the very least.

  75. @Hapalong Cassidy
    A more interesting question would be why Sam Francisco has not gone the way of Portland. The whites there are at least as liberal, and form a plurality if not a majority. But San Fran also has a lot more Asians, who probably have very little tolerance for this sort of thing.

    Replies: @san joaquin sam, @Ripple Earthdevil

    San Francisco is way too expensive for commie white trash to live in. And its too much hassle to live nearby and commute into the city for organized commie shenanigans. The cost and logistics just don’t work.

    The hard-lefty crowd now lives in the East Bay, but the threat of black random violence–even death like that Berkeley student–is very real and keeps the white trash commie action somewhat limited.

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    @san joaquin sam

    Probably true, the commie in San Fran is Chesla Boudin, a lawyer. I bet about 50 percent of Antifa worked at Amazon or Starbucks. There is also a solar manufacturing plant that pays 20 an hour in Portland. It seems from Andy Ngo, some are professionals like computer programmers, but many are not. Ted Cruz still thinks Antifia is trust fund kids. I doubt that.

  76. “Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?”

    The answers aren’t just whack and blight.

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
  77. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Yes the Nordic angle is strong. Nordics are the Jews of white Europeans—high intelligence to the point of atheism, great productivity, sacrifice to the socialist good. Unlike Jews they don’t seem to circle the wagons as much and have a suicidal tinge at their core.

  78. @Buzz Mohawk
    This probably has more to do with organization and shadowy support than anything. Don't fool yourself; these events are not organic, and they are not caused by the populations in the locales.

    For whatever reason, Portland has more organization and support for this SHOW, while Detroit evidently doesn't. There may be strategic reasons for the manipulation of public opinion. Every one of these places is a stage being used, more or less, for purposes of molding perceptions and bringing down the populist, anti-globalist uprising.

    It will subside, perhaps to some degree at least, when President Harris is sworn in to replace Biden -- but it will be brought back, wherever most effective, whenever it is needed afterward.

    So will Corona-chan or her successor.

    Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Kronos, @Yawrate, @Anonymousse

    I’ve lived in SE Michigan for 60 years. There are a number of reasons Detroit ended up like it is. The riot of 1967 started the white flight from Detroit. This wasn’t so bad for the city because many fine homes were for sale cheap. But many businesses were devastated which greatly slowed redevelopment.

    Then the mayors of Detroit started using the city as their own private slush fund. They never did anything to relieve the burden of pensions. Corruption and inefficiency at all levels of government was rife. This all culminated in what was locally known as the “family and friends” program under mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. He ended up in prison for his corruption (still there too!).

    And in the middle of the mayoral corruption NAFTA happened. Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Toledo, Lansing, Wixom just to name a few cities, were devastated by a closing and shrinking automobile industry. The people of Detroit abandoned homes in droves. The 2008 housing debacle was the final straw. Thousands of homes were then destroyed as part of blight mitigation. When you fly over the city you can see the open space.

    Detroit ended up filing for bankruptcy. It’s creditors getting pennies on the dollar. The governor at the time, Rich Snyder, saved the Detroit museum of art (owned by the city) from creditors by twisting corporate arms to buy the museum then give it to a non-profit. The museum houses world class art donated by the scions of the auto industry and was considered an asset to creditors.

    The current mayor appears to be hard working and honest and won a second term despite being white. The police chief well remembers 1967 and with the mayor’s approval is very quick to confront the few rioters that show up. Further, I think many in Detroit realize they’ve been given a second chance and are unwilling to burn it all down.

    Detroit bottomed out about 5 years ago. No where to go but up.

    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Yawrate


    Detroit bottomed out about 5 years ago. No where to go but up.
     
    That’s what I have been saying about Port Au Prince and Monrovia for years! Why any second now Detriot will blossom like Kinshasa...
    , @Bill
    @Yawrate

    There's a nice gallery of mayors of Detroit at wikipedia.

    In 1974, less than a decade after the riots, something changed and stayed changed for a long, long time.

  79. @Anonymous
    At bottom, it's not about blacks - but all about virtual signalling and showing what a 'good person' you are.

    As has been said before this Antifa thing is really of the nature of a religious cult, a cult which demands bloody sacrifice to propriate its gods, that is black people. The devotees of the cult - brainless whites - perform the sacred rites of bloody sacrifice all right, but crucially note that although white blood is the only blood acceptable to the gods, its not *their* blood which will be spilled.
    No.
    Of course, it's the blood of the white trash, the Trump voters, fly over Americans, the contemptible beasts of the field.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jake, @Ben tillman, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @J1234, @SMK

    Two things:

    1. As has been claimed about Boomer-Cucks’ allegiance to Israel being an issue of vicarious identitarianism (you can safely pro-Israel/Zionist…e.g. for those white people since you can’t for your own), I suspect that much of this virtue signaling is really implicit rage for many 1st-world problem whites, who indeed see the world and the country for what it is (i.e. blacks) but have to turn their rage into and on other whites. Think back to the studies done on “homophobic” (that liberals love), which showed, and I completely could see as true, that often the most homophobic people are privately repressed homosexuals. It was studied with gay and/or mixed erotic videos/film and sensors attached to the participants, much like a polygraph. Those who had already completed a questionnaire and were revealed to be the most “homophobic”, were actually the most aroused, when watching homosexual activity. If such a study could be conducted on these whites rioting, I suspect you’d find the same level of, in this case, racial repression..race realism-repression.

    2. Along with #1, if the head of the goosesteppers of Antifa, whomever they are–but from a Junior High, celebrity standpoint, suddenly announced to a/the mob that, “now…now we are PRO WHITE and are going to smash anyone against whites” (“we are now at war with Oceana”), those same repressed whites would change alliance/internal motivation a 180. And I think this still will happen, which is why I continue to predict that eventually Antifa will be an explicitly pro-white organization. Perhaps marginally softening itself to “socialism” at first (to avoid the sting of saying pro-white), but the same framework will exist–just in a different direction.

  80. File under think pieces that won’t see the light of mainstream media day.

    Portland is exporting it’s whack to the rest of the fairly white outposts left remaining and Detroit’s legacy of blight is bringing up a rear guard to do the dirty mopping up of any left-over stains of whiteness.

  81. If you watch Antifa you realize how crucial their smartphones are to their operations. They use them for everything — setup, tactics, logistics. If they went into Detroit the locals would relieve them of their phones before they could scream “ACAB.” And that would be that.

  82. @Art Deco
    @The Alarmist

    No. Like any core municipality, it's a city fragment. The actual dense settlement sprawls over Wayne, Oakland, Macomb, and Washtenaw Counties and has a population of about 4 million. What's unusual about Detroit's core municipality (now down to about 17% of the total) is that it's almost coterminous with the slums. Most core municipalities have a mess of congenial territory. Not so Detroit. Have a look at a map of homicides occurring in any given year. They're remarkably evenly dispersed. There are no good neighborhoods.

    Replies: @International Jew

    They’re remarkably evenly dispersed. There are no good neighborhoods.

    Thermal equilibrium.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @International Jew


    They’re remarkably evenly dispersed. There are no good neighborhoods.
     

    Thermal equilibrium.
     
    How about entropy in the sense of energy not available for work?
  83. @Anon
    Basically, Antifa is like the Westboro Baptist Church. They're a pack of nutjobs with an issue on the brain, and they're going around bothering everybody about it with their moronic demonstrations.

    Anyone in Antifa, or in sympathy with Antifa, is a very, very silly person who needs to get a life.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Authenticjazzman, @duncsbaby

    ” They’re a pack of nutjobs with an issue on the brain”

    Antifa originated in Germany, the epicenter of human lunacy.

    AJM, native Detroiter, “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    DT 2020

  84. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT
    Wu-flu discovered to be transmitted by ball sweat. Govoner of Maine mandates elizebethian collars to prevent ball-licking by restaurant staff.

    Restaurant Servers in Maine Ordered to Wear Dog ‘Cones of Shame’ While Serving Food
    https://i1.wp.com/christianresearchnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Maine-cone-of-shame-Instagram-screenshot-e1598108972345.jpg

    Replies: @Known Fact, @SunBakedSuburb

    This one fine young lady in this one photo has over the past week been seen by more people than she could have ever imagined — but while wearing a stupid pet cone, also almost literally unimaginable. Life is full of odd twists

  85. @RichardTaylor

    And Detroit is too scary for Antifa, who, while they aren’t scared of the police, are scared of black criminals.
     
    That's why whatever diversity we have needs to be pushed on liberal White areas. They need to be shamed for not having more Blacks and Browns.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    “That’s why whatever diversity we have needs to be pushed on liberal White areas. ”

    Odd thing about that, liberal Whites are the ones who gentrify Black areas, pushing Blacks out.

  86. prior to the riots, blacks in detroit were likely the richest blacks on the entire planet.

  87. Portland is one of the few large metropolitan ares that does not fluoridate its water supply.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Maybe tooth decay has something to do with why Antifa look the way they do?

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon

  88. @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    Nyarlathotep . . . the crawling chaos . . . I am the last . . . I will tell the audient void. . . .

    I do not recall distinctly when it began, but it was months ago. The general tension was horrible. To a season of political and social upheaval was added a strange and brooding apprehension of hideous physical danger; a danger widespread and all-embracing, such a danger as may be imagined only in the most terrible phantasms of the night. I recall that the people went about with pale and worried faces, and whispered warnings and prophecies which no one dared consciously repeat or acknowledge to himself that he had heard. A sense of monstrous guilt was upon the land, and out of the abysses between the stars swept chill currents that made men shiver in dark and lonely places. There was a daemoniac alteration in the sequence of the seasons—the autumn heat lingered fearsomely, and everyone felt that the world and perhaps the universe had passed from the control of known gods or forces to that of gods or forces which were unknown. ...

     

    https://hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/n.aspx

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Yeah yeah great stuff HP, but get to the end, where all the foul oozing gibbering monsters rampage through the portal into our helpless and disbelieving world

  89. @Servant of Gla'aki

    ...every single one looks like they have some combination of cluster B personality disorders.
     
    This has really become a trend at this site lately ie. people who seem to believe they can diagnose psychiatric disorders, based solely on an examination of a single photograph of another person.

    I'm pretty sure there's not much in the way of any rational basis for that belief.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Sadly your 50 minutes are up; please see the receptionist on your way out to set your next appointment. Rest assured we’re making real progress…

  90. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Generally, Jewish people don't do stupid.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    Jews always hire someone do the stupid for them.
    Anti-fa is a spook entity.
    Real anti fascists would be bombing Marriner Eccles and 33 Liberty St., NSA, CIA, MIC, Wall Street, et al.
    No, AF goes up against The Proud Boys in a TV wrestling match up.
    The historical equivalent of AF is Hitler’s SA aka Storm Troopers.
    “its primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties”
    AF’s future is a Night of Long Knives.
    Useful idiots until they are no longer useful.

  91. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    There are a few nice buildings and parks in Chicago.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No, I don’t think so. I have been to Chicago. The few parks they have are copied from other cities. There is no artistic integrity to any of it. It is a barren, lifeless city build exclusively on utilitarian grounds. When I was there in early February, 2016, it was -25 F. With the wind effect, the actual thermic sensation was of -94 F. There was a public warnign that you should stay in as you could die in as little as 10 minutes of exposure. Then, when I had been in Chicago years before during Summer time, I stood outside the airport for 2 hurs waiting for a friend to pick me up and it was 105 F with over 90% air humidity. I actually had a hypotensive emergency and had to be medicated. It reminded me of Calcuta, another city I had visited during Summer time. How can human beings live like that?

    Recently, Chicago has been trying to be like Paris. This is ridiculous. Paris is very much like Elvis: the original is *always* much better than the many copies. No city can be like Paris, just like no one can do Elvis like the original. There is another issue: Paris can only be Paris because of where it is located. A city designed around beautiful public architecture and spaces for leisure can only work if the natural environment allows you to take advantage of it. Paris has a very mild climate compared to Chicago, with peaks during the Summer seldom going above 82 F and in the coldest days of Winter seldom going below 28 F. So you can enjoy open spaces years round. But in Chicago, you are home bound for 8-9 months of the years.

    The fact is that the American Midwest is a continental grassland that was never meant for human occupation.

    I cannot see how anyone could live in these American inner cities except for business. And this has nothing to do with being either a liberal or conservative. For a liberal, these cities lack charm and artistic integrity. For a conservative, the kind that values having kids above all other concerns, these cities lack safe open spaces for kids to play and they will be house bound for most of the time. You are better off maving to a small city where kids can play in the open. You still have to deal with terrible weather, but at least is is safer for kids.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "The few parks they have are copied from other cities."

    You mean that the designers of Chicago parks like Daniel Burham looked around to find out what was the best way to design a park and then copied it? That's disgusting. Everybody knows that creative originality is what's best in parks. Parks should have novel features like quicksand pits and mounds of broken glass.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    , @Hibernian
    @Anonymous


    With the wind effect, the actual thermic sensation was of -94 F.
     
    Maybe a slight exaggeration. I've lived in Chicago for almost 45 years and I've never experienced a below -60 degree F wind chill. Maybe -40 or -40 on very rare occasions.

    The fact is that the American Midwest is a continental grassland that was never meant for human occupation.
     
    Typical bicoastal attitude. Are you off your meds?
  92. @Jonathan Mason
    There is a limit to what a blogger can do without actually traveling to places like Portland to talk to people and find out what they think is going on.

    All you can do is have an opinion and be aware that your opinion may be formed by your own biases.

    Even the mainstream media are not very reliable in respect to actual boots-on-the-ground reporting, but I am sure there are good stories to be told.

    Replies: @istevecop, @Harry Baldwin

    You’re right, we lack serious boots on the ground journalism. Most on scene reporting is propaganda looking for the best images and video snips to push a narrative.

    All gas no brakes does some good stuff. Lots of his videos break the golden rule of never interviewing lower class blacks in their natural environments.

  93. Portland, Oregon is still white, but for how much longer?

    Non-hispanic whites:
    1970 – 90.7%
    1990 – 82.9%
    2010 – 72.2%

    It looks like the change is accelerating, such that the next 20 years will be a 12% drop:
    2020 – 66.2%
    2030 – 60.2%

    If continuing at that rate …
    2040 – 54.2%
    2050 – 48.2%

    Currently, the country is 59% white and is estimated to be minority white by 2040.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon#Demographics

  94. @Anonymous
    At bottom, it's not about blacks - but all about virtual signalling and showing what a 'good person' you are.

    As has been said before this Antifa thing is really of the nature of a religious cult, a cult which demands bloody sacrifice to propriate its gods, that is black people. The devotees of the cult - brainless whites - perform the sacred rites of bloody sacrifice all right, but crucially note that although white blood is the only blood acceptable to the gods, its not *their* blood which will be spilled.
    No.
    Of course, it's the blood of the white trash, the Trump voters, fly over Americans, the contemptible beasts of the field.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jake, @Ben tillman, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @J1234, @SMK

    I think the antifa thing is revealing itself to be, more than anything else, another magnet for the mentally ill. Like homeless populations or tent cities…or, as you said, religious cults. These mental cases are more high functioning than the homeless, with a decidedly nonreligious millenarian focus. Since WW2 America society at large has lived with some degree of dread (or anticipation) of the cataclysmic, thanks largely to the Cold War. This fixation has worked it’s way into just about every extreme political perspective or movement or cult from environmentalism to the prepper craze. And if the cataclysm never comes? Well, if you’re mentally unstable, you create it yourself.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @J1234

    Mentally ill, yes, from the thousand-yard stares in the booking photos, but pretty darned resourceful mentally ill. Everything from using leaf blowers to disperse tear gas to blinding law officers with those powerful green lasers.

    Where do these dudes know about leaf blowers besides watching immigrant landscaping workers. As a home owner maintaining my own yard, I know plenty about leaf blowers, but these guys? At least the "peasants with pitchforks" had them at hand to storm the castle because they actually did work with pitchforks. When did these guys ever do any honest work with a leaf blower?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @John Gruskos

  95. @Escher
    Compton be safe too, yo.
    Dem skinny ass college crackas don’t be messin’ wit da hood.

    Replies: @Muggles

    >>Compton be safe too, yo.
    Dem skinny ass college crackas don’t be messin’ wit da hood.<<

    Watch a few episodes of "Black Jesus." One of the only real funny comedies on television. I think it is actually shot in Compton with a nearly all black cast (or locals anyway.)

    No antifa like hipsters to be seen. Pretty non violent place but armed.

    Some St. George type characters too, but not the BLM stereotype. I don't watch many obscure comedy shows or streaming stuff, but this one is too good to be true. If Jesus came back like this, going to church would be fun and worthwhile.

  96. @Kyle
    A critical mass of people in Detroit are illiterate. They don’t pay attention to current events, especially national stories. I find most of the residents philistine and uncultured. My dad installed granite countertops in his kitchen. He joked to his real estate agent that the color should be called starry night because it looked like the Van Gogh painting.
    https://www.vincentvangogh.org/images/paintings/the-starry-night.jpg
    She didn’t know who Van Gogh was. If white female home sellers aren’t familiar with massively popular artists, I’m assuming that a lot of the underclass population doesn’t keep up with current events and may not even know who George Floyd is.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Dube

    This is true of lots of middle and upper class white metropolitan Detroit and suburbs people.

    If it doesn’t get you a white collar desk job at an automaker, if it doesn’t get you an engineering job at an automaker or supplier, if it doesn’t help you try to build wealth like an old Detroit family, then they’re not interested.

    No intellectual curiosity, in fact, an antipathy to intellectual curiosity.

  97. @Rob McX

    Plus, Detroit serves as a sort of giant object lesson that the conventional wisdom of 2020 is stupid.
     
    Right. Detroit is the logical conclusion to the ideology of antifa. For them to go agitating there would be the equivalent of Western fellow travellers holding a conference in a gulag camp.

    There was a famous debate in the Oxford Union in 1933 on the motion "This House will under no circumstances fight for its King and country" (passed). Less well known was a motion before the Cambridge Union the previous year: "This house sees more hope in Moscow than in Detroit".

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Dumbo, @Colin Wright

    Less well known was a motion before the Cambridge Union the previous year: “This house sees more hope in Moscow than in Detroit”.

    These guys were prophets.

  98. @anonymous
    Great analysis!!!

    But then again Steve,

    Portland leads the country in Vegan eateries per square mile. Detroit not so much.

    Like I have been saying Antifa is a plant based diet driven phenom. Strict plant base diets royally screw with one's sex hormones.

    Antifa = Vegan ISIS.

    Replies: @Muggles, @stillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123

    >>Antifa = Vegan ISIS.<<

    Interesting theory. But lacking in evidence.

    You could conduct an experiment to find out. Jail some antifa types and feed them nothing but meat and a few veggies/fruit. If some resist that then meat only.

    Hunger is the universal motivator. Every real brutal dictatorship ends up relying on that for obedience. So in a week or two you'd find out about changed political opinions. They'd be reciting the Pledge of Allegiance for their next greasy hamburger soon enough.

    Usually the stereotype is that male meat eaters are the violent brutes. Who knew eggplant could be so dangerous?

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Muggles


    Usually the stereotype is that male meat eaters are the violent brutes. Who knew eggplant could be so dangerous?
     
    Italians? Melanzane! Mulignane!
    , @anonymous
    @Muggles

    Look I am kidding a bit, but just a bit.

    There is a huge overlap between Antifa and veganism.

    See following;

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/antifa-organizer-seattles-autonomous-zone-begs-vegan-meat-soy-keep-area-operational-homeless-people-take-food

    The extreme narcissism and self delusion exhibited by Antifa is also something commonly noted by psychologists and doctors treating vegans. There are dozens of testimonials by recovered vegans that they had no idea how mentally ill they became.

    The collapse in sex hormones common among vegans may explain the high degree of gender dysphoria among vegan Antifa members.

  99. @Jonathan Mason
    There is a limit to what a blogger can do without actually traveling to places like Portland to talk to people and find out what they think is going on.

    All you can do is have an opinion and be aware that your opinion may be formed by your own biases.

    Even the mainstream media are not very reliable in respect to actual boots-on-the-ground reporting, but I am sure there are good stories to be told.

    Replies: @istevecop, @Harry Baldwin

    Even the mainstream media are not very reliable in respect to actual boots-on-the-ground reporting

    That’s understandable, since MSM reporters are under orders not to tell the truth about what’s actually happening.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Harry Baldwin

    'That’s understandable, since MSM reporters are under orders not to tell the truth about what’s actually happening.'

    I don't know whether they're under orders or not -- but they might as well be. That's definitely the effect.

  100. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Who are Antifa ethnically?

    Mostly Teutonics & Nordics, I guess.

    • LOL: GoRedWings!
  101. “Portland, because of its tiny number of blacks, is ideal for incubating the most extreme versions of Establishment thought among whites”

    This is a credible plausible conspiracy theory. Fabian cultural engineering at an accelerated pace thanks to the tools provided by Woke Tech.

  102. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    "Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?"

    Because OMNI Consumer Products is keeping things under control: https://youtu.be/Z931XZ2wfpE

    In all seriousness, though, it is amazing how shitty these American inner cities like Detroit, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Chicago, etc, are. Cities completely devoid of charm, of nice architecture, completely utilitarian living centered around heavy manufacturing(and now not even that), a terrible weather with Winter temperatures that often drop below -22 F, and then rise to over 104 F during summer time with scorthing humidity, etc. Like a hypotehtical mixture of Moscow with Rio de Janeiro. Who the hell wants to live in those dumps? They were already toxic dumps back in the 1950's and 1960's when at least they had a strong economy, as all the pollution and toxic sewege from industry was dumped there. Now, they are barren wastelands as jobs moved to China. The horrible climate and dystopian cities with no charm are still there, and now they have massive poverty to add to that mix.

    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving .

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Lot, @JohnnyWalker123, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Joseph A.

    “ Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving”

    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

    Kind of surprised me when I first visited, nobody mentions this in the tourist guides. Like the manure smell in farm country, I think Manhattanites are just used to the smell of fetid hot trash.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Lot


    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

     

    I disagree strongly with this, Lot. The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Anonymous, @JMcG

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Lot

    The most overrated place on Earth. Pretty from a distance across the water. I haven't been there in over a year now, because I don't have to go anymore. I can be there in ninety minutes, but honestly, why go? It's getting worse, and I am laughing at the smug bastards who are basically living on top of a heap of garbage there.

  103. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT
    Wu-flu discovered to be transmitted by ball sweat. Govoner of Maine mandates elizebethian collars to prevent ball-licking by restaurant staff.

    Restaurant Servers in Maine Ordered to Wear Dog ‘Cones of Shame’ While Serving Food
    https://i1.wp.com/christianresearchnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Maine-cone-of-shame-Instagram-screenshot-e1598108972345.jpg

    Replies: @Known Fact, @SunBakedSuburb

    White elites enjoy humiliating white proles.

  104. @International Jew
    @Art Deco


    They’re remarkably evenly dispersed. There are no good neighborhoods.
     
    Thermal equilibrium.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    They’re remarkably evenly dispersed. There are no good neighborhoods.

    Thermal equilibrium.

    How about entropy in the sense of energy not available for work?

  105. @El Dato
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Are you alluding to the deleterious influence of Fu Manchu?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “Fu Manchu”

    Fu Manchu versus Dracula. My favorite imaginary movie.

  106. @Brutusale
    @Art Deco

    And LA isn't even the most Jewish city in Cali. That would be SF.

    Replies: @Deckin

    I’m not sure where you get that. There’s a very famous synagogue in SF (very close to Dianne Feinstein’s home), but on the whole, when compared to LA the Jewish presence in SF is quite slight. The city was historically much more dominated by Italians in the latter half of the 20th century–Alioto, Barbagelata, Moscone–and their central vehicle for building wealth and power was real estate). After that, the Chinese, who had historically been backseat partners (led by Rose Pak), moved more to the front of the line. I’ve lived in it or its environs my whole life and I didn’t meet any number of Jews until I went to Berkeley as an undergrad–and they were, to a one, all from LA.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Deckin

    The stats are for the metro area, not San Francisco proper, necessarily.

    , @Brutusale
    @Deckin

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

    As Art Deco correctly stated, most Jews are in the Big Bagel (apologies to Taki) and its southern retirement home. Then there's the educational center (Boston) and the governmental center (DC).

  107. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    "Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?"

    Because OMNI Consumer Products is keeping things under control: https://youtu.be/Z931XZ2wfpE

    In all seriousness, though, it is amazing how shitty these American inner cities like Detroit, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Chicago, etc, are. Cities completely devoid of charm, of nice architecture, completely utilitarian living centered around heavy manufacturing(and now not even that), a terrible weather with Winter temperatures that often drop below -22 F, and then rise to over 104 F during summer time with scorthing humidity, etc. Like a hypotehtical mixture of Moscow with Rio de Janeiro. Who the hell wants to live in those dumps? They were already toxic dumps back in the 1950's and 1960's when at least they had a strong economy, as all the pollution and toxic sewege from industry was dumped there. Now, they are barren wastelands as jobs moved to China. The horrible climate and dystopian cities with no charm are still there, and now they have massive poverty to add to that mix.

    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving .

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Lot, @JohnnyWalker123, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Joseph A.

    In Europe, people of means live in the cities. In America, they live in the suburbs and then commute for whatever purpose they have (nightlife, dining, shopping, etc). In many cases, that stuff gets sent out to the suburbs too.

    Manhattan is one of the few exceptions to that.

    If you don’t like living in the suburbs and commuting, Europe is a better option.

    You’ll find that the Euros often place their bad immigrant-heavy neighborhoods in the suburbs. In America, it’s the opposite. Those neighborhoods are often in the inner cities.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Your argument is redundant because American suburbs are the most boring and charmless places in the World. In fact, there is a popular expression, the "white picket fence life" typical of American suburbia to denote a boring, uninsteresting and charmless life.

    You compare American suburbia to Paris or Rome? Really? You think American suburbia compares to living next to the Champs-Élysées, and you compare the bland houses of American suburbia to the historical buildings of Paris? Or Rome? Or even Cologne:?

    American suburbia still loses compared to most cities of Europe and even some Latin cities like Buenos Aires. Yes, I would rather live in Buenos Aires or Curitiba than Chicago OR American suburbia. These cities are prettier, the murder rate is lower and they have much nicer weather - even though it does get chilly there in the Winter, but to a much lesser degree than American inner cities.

    American suburbia still loses. You are not arguing with reason, but with patriotic pride. That is not a good way to have a rational debate.

    Replies: @black sea, @Hibernian, @William Badwhite

  108. @glib
    Living in the Detroit and seeing demonstrations pass under my windows many times, I think this article is off the mark.

    Detroit has, for a change, a decent administration which has tried hard to revive the city. I did witness some tense police moments in the early days, in the housing projects across the street, but eventually the police has used a very light touch that has not ruffled any feathers. They always show a lot of patience when herding back the masses after a protest. Curfews were a joke, although I suspect that Whitmer did crack down more on the whiter parts of the state. The new Detroit culture, with many young whites having been in contact with blacks for a decade now (I would be a multi-millionaire if I had invested in Detroit real estate in 2011), generated mostly mixed black-white demonstrations, with bicycles and people walking dogs. I have experienced many instances of whites and blacks collaborating on neighborhood issues.

    So Detroit has been calm. I even sold my gun (although that is due to me traveling, and when I will return, I will go live in an italian neighborhood). The economic future is bleak since the car industry is in free fall. But the main difference is a more evolved culture in Detroit, at least when it comes to getting along, which does not reject the original culture of the working classes, as well as good admin. Portland was and is full of flakes all the way to the top.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan d Mute

    Detroit’s black police chief publicly said he wasn’t putting up with any of this crap. His force is behind him, and so is the mayor. That’s all you need.

    Portland cops have the means to stop this shite, but they have no support from the mayor and the local prosecutor will put the morons they arrest back on the street in 24 hours. So why bother to do more than go through the motions, collect the OT and work on GTFO?

  109. How many of today’s Portland riot leaders/organizers/mentors were active in the Seattle riots back in 1999 against the WTO and IMF?

  110. @anonymous
    Great analysis!!!

    But then again Steve,

    Portland leads the country in Vegan eateries per square mile. Detroit not so much.

    Like I have been saying Antifa is a plant based diet driven phenom. Strict plant base diets royally screw with one's sex hormones.

    Antifa = Vegan ISIS.

    Replies: @Muggles, @stillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123

    No, it’s alcohol and pot, just like everywhere. Pot makes you stupid, alcohol makes you violent.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @stillCARealist


    alcohol makes you violent
     
    And a bit stupid as well!
  111. @Bert

    Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.
     
    Portlandia has attracted neo-Marxist youth for decades. Keese Love, the place-kicker for the Portland Nights team, was a native of Miami until recently. In my neighborhood, a Green Party organizer set up a neighborhood association so he could claim enough expertise to get civil service employment in the the coastal Northwest. As soon as he had the job offer, he dropped our neighborhood association like a hot potato. Portland, Seattle, Eugene, Austin, Ann Arbor are all "sinks" that attract and absorb Commie wannabes. I guess the "sources" (thinking in terms of a source-sink model) are especially university towns all over. But really nice places like Ann Arbor, Athens, and Gainesville have a loop in the graph feeding back on themselves, i.e., some leftist losers treat the source as a sink because they're too comfortable or lazy to move on.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @ThreeCranes, @Stan d Mute

    A left-wing, government worker.

    Almost. Every. Single. Time.

  112. @Anon7
    @glib

    Right. Detroit is an example of a Democrat-run city (Black Democrat mayors took over after the 1967 riots by 1970) that was deliberately taken over by a Republican governor (Rick Snyder).

    It was the largest municipal bankruptcy filing in US history, I think. The city was forced by Snyder to file in 2013 for $20 billion. Many creditors were forced to accept 15 to 75 cents on the dollar. It solved a lot of problems for the city.

    I believe that many properties in the city were sold to anyone willing to invest, also for pennies on the dollar. This encouraged long-overdue investment in the city, which has actually worked to some extent. Detroit's unemployment rate declined steadily until Covid-19, which hit the city's black population hard - maybe 4,000 deaths in 500,000 population. White and black owned businesses were doing well until Covid.

    Sure, Detroit has plenty of criminal activity; drive-by shootings, gas station robberies, senseless strafings of block parties, etc. But the city now has a sensible white guy, although a Democrat, running it since 2014, who was also a county prosecutor and county executive.

    Replies: @anon

    Sure, Detroit has plenty of criminal activity; drive-by shootings, gas station robberies, senseless strafings of block parties, etc. But…

    No need to read further.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @anon

    You were expecting maybe Wakanda?

  113. @Bert

    Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.
     
    Portlandia has attracted neo-Marxist youth for decades. Keese Love, the place-kicker for the Portland Nights team, was a native of Miami until recently. In my neighborhood, a Green Party organizer set up a neighborhood association so he could claim enough expertise to get civil service employment in the the coastal Northwest. As soon as he had the job offer, he dropped our neighborhood association like a hot potato. Portland, Seattle, Eugene, Austin, Ann Arbor are all "sinks" that attract and absorb Commie wannabes. I guess the "sources" (thinking in terms of a source-sink model) are especially university towns all over. But really nice places like Ann Arbor, Athens, and Gainesville have a loop in the graph feeding back on themselves, i.e., some leftist losers treat the source as a sink because they're too comfortable or lazy to move on.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @ThreeCranes, @Stan d Mute

    True what you say but the Pacific Northwest isn’t Ann Arbor or Austin.

    The Northwest is home to some humbling natural features. Big mountains, deep water sailing, steep ski runs, dangerous back country skiing, alpine climbing that brings with it deaths on the glaciers every year, dangerous ocean kayaking, vast impenetrable forests of giant trees etc. etc.

    It’s not a country to play at playing around in. You’ve got to take your play seriously. It weeds out the weak, the stupid and the incompetent.

    So there’s an edge there that you don’t get anywhere else in the lower 48. They may be social liberals but they’re blue collar about outdoor recreation. Posers die. You’ve got to dress for survival every time you venture up in the mountains or out on the Sound. Water temp 54 degrees means hypothermia within half an hour.

    So, make fun of the Pacific Northwest, laugh at the gays on Capitol hill, but there are some serious, hard-core, outdoor athletes there.

    • Replies: @anon
    @ThreeCranes

    It’s not a country to play at playing around in. You’ve got to take your play seriously. It weeds out the weak, the stupid and the incompetent.

    If they ever do any of those things. Look at the vids from Portlandia, do you see any free climbers or white water kayakers etc. in the crowd? Or the vid from the gay pride parade, the Antifa "security" doesn't really look like what you describe. Even the place kicker for the Portland Nights isn't all that.

    So, make fun of the Pacific Northwest, laugh at the gays on Capitol hill, but there are some serious, hard-core, outdoor athletes there.

    How many of those guys are standing around the Portlandia Federal courthouse all night for a week?

    Last time I was in Oregon I spent most of my time out on the coast. Everyone there looked and talked like a normal person, bearing no resemblance to the freaks showing up in Portland Police Bureau mugshots. On the other hand, the bums hanging out adjacent to Portland State University were potentially dangerous in a short altercation. But no sea kayakers there, either.

    tl;dr
    Meh.

    , @anon
    @ThreeCranes

    I live in the NW and hike a lot and know some of the Left-wing activist/outdoors types you reference. I saw a hippie hiking on a very rocky mountain trail barefoot, and we were 3 miles up the side of the mountain. His feet were tough as boots.
    These guys are a combination of soy boy and Daniel Boone. There were more of them 20 years ago. Now not as much.

  114. @Tono Bungay
    I agree with Sailer's last suggestion, that in largely white places all sorts of romantic notions about black people can "incubate" and reach an intensity of moral fervor that a week's vacation in Anacostia would quench.

    Replies: @bomag, @Joseph Doaks

    Wiki:

    Anacostia’s… downtown is located at the intersection of Good Hope Road and Martin Luther King, Jr. Avenue.

  115. But, he was not far off, for presently she heard a troubled movement and a shouting coming along, which filled her with fear. A moment afterwards, and a throng of people came pouring round the corner by the prison wall, in the midst of whom was the wood-sawyer hand in hand with The Vengeance. There could not be fewer than five hundred people, and they were dancing like five thousand demons. There was no other music than their own singing. They danced to the popular Revolution song, keeping a ferocious time that was like a gnashing of teeth in unison. Men and women danced together, women danced together, men danced together, as hazard had brought them together. At first, they were a mere storm of coarse red caps and coarse woollen rags; but, as they filled the place, and stopped to dance about Lucie, some ghastly apparition of a dance-figure gone raving mad arose among them. They advanced, retreated, struck at one another’s hands, clutched at one another’s heads, spun round alone, caught one another and spun round in pairs, until many of them dropped. While those were down, the rest linked hand in hand, and all spun round together: then the ring broke, and in separate rings of two and four they turned and turned until they all stopped at once, began again, struck, clutched, and tore, and then reversed the spin, and all spun round another way. Suddenly they stopped again, paused, struck out the time afresh, formed into lines the width of the public way, and, with their heads low down and their hands high up, swooped screaming off. No fight could have been half so errible as this dance. It was so emphatically a fallen sport—a something, once innocent, delivered over to all devilry—a healthy pastime changed into a means of angering the blood, bewildering the senses, and steeling the heart. Such grace as was visible in it, made it the uglier, showing how warped and perverted all things good by nature were become. The maidenly bosom bared to this, the pretty almost-child’s head thus distracted, the delicate foot mincing in this slough of blood and dirt, were types of the disjointed time.

    A TALE OF TWO CITIES, Book 3, Chapter 5

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @syonredux

    They should place that guillotine where it belongs.

    https://jewishbusinessnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Goldman-Sachs-building-2.jpg

    , @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Speaking of the French Revolution, I recently watched Anthony Mann's Reign of Terror/ The Black Book. It's a good film, with a strong performance by Richard Basehart (One of the all-time great voices) as Robespierre and fantastic cinematography by noir-master John Alton.If you ever wanted to see a Film Noir take on the Reign of Terror, this is the movie for you:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoyXzgf0c5E

  116. Leftist radicals (most of whom are White) are generally poor. Unemployed, underemployed, or stuck in low-paying (often temp) jobs. So they end up living in dilapidated neighborhoods.

    In cities with lots of Blacks in the dilapidated neighborhoods, these leftist radicals are preyed on by violent criminals. Robbed, beaten, raped, harassed, extorted. So after getting a stiff dose of racial reality, they have to flee to the suburbs and move back in with their parents.

    In cities with few Blacks, the slums are a lot safer. So the leftist radicals can breathe more easily.

    That’s why leftist radicals are drawn to places which have few Blacks, like Seattle , San Francisco, and Portland.

    San Francisco is really expensive these days though. Seattle is trending in the same direction. Portland is the most affordable of the three.

  117. @syonredux
    https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1297404831003418624

    But, he was not far off, for presently she heard a troubled movement and a shouting coming along, which filled her with fear. A moment afterwards, and a throng of people came pouring round the corner by the prison wall, in the midst of whom was the wood-sawyer hand in hand with The Vengeance. There could not be fewer than five hundred people, and they were dancing like five thousand demons. There was no other music than their own singing. They danced to the popular Revolution song, keeping a ferocious time that was like a gnashing of teeth in unison. Men and women danced together, women danced together, men danced together, as hazard had brought them together. At first, they were a mere storm of coarse red caps and coarse woollen rags; but, as they filled the place, and stopped to dance about Lucie, some ghastly apparition of a dance-figure gone raving mad arose among them. They advanced, retreated, struck at one another’s hands, clutched at one another’s heads, spun round alone, caught one another and spun round in pairs, until many of them dropped. While those were down, the rest linked hand in hand, and all spun round together: then the ring broke, and in separate rings of two and four they turned and turned until they all stopped at once, began again, struck, clutched, and tore, and then reversed the spin, and all spun round another way. Suddenly they stopped again, paused, struck out the time afresh, formed into lines the width of the public way, and, with their heads low down and their hands high up, swooped screaming off. No fight could have been half so errible as this dance. It was so emphatically a fallen sport—a something, once innocent, delivered over to all devilry—a healthy pastime changed into a means of angering the blood, bewildering the senses, and steeling the heart. Such grace as was visible in it, made it the uglier, showing how warped and perverted all things good by nature were become. The maidenly bosom bared to this, the pretty almost-child’s head thus distracted, the delicate foot mincing in this slough of blood and dirt, were types of the disjointed time.

     

    A TALE OF TWO CITIES, Book 3, Chapter 5

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @syonredux

    They should place that guillotine where it belongs.

    • Agree: JMcG, Paleo Liberal
  118. “BLM protesters in Portland took to the streets once again Saturday night, dragging a mock guillotine through a suburban neighborhood, where they burned American flags and ‘executed’ a stuffed bear.”

    We’re closing in on Local Anesthetic territory, where the leftists threaten to kill a dachshund

  119. @Rob McX

    Plus, Detroit serves as a sort of giant object lesson that the conventional wisdom of 2020 is stupid.
     
    Right. Detroit is the logical conclusion to the ideology of antifa. For them to go agitating there would be the equivalent of Western fellow travellers holding a conference in a gulag camp.

    There was a famous debate in the Oxford Union in 1933 on the motion "This House will under no circumstances fight for its King and country" (passed). Less well known was a motion before the Cambridge Union the previous year: "This house sees more hope in Moscow than in Detroit".

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Dumbo, @Colin Wright

    Well… The world goes round and nowadays, contrary to in the 30s, there *is* more hope in Moscow than in Detroit.

  120. @syonredux
    https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1297404831003418624

    But, he was not far off, for presently she heard a troubled movement and a shouting coming along, which filled her with fear. A moment afterwards, and a throng of people came pouring round the corner by the prison wall, in the midst of whom was the wood-sawyer hand in hand with The Vengeance. There could not be fewer than five hundred people, and they were dancing like five thousand demons. There was no other music than their own singing. They danced to the popular Revolution song, keeping a ferocious time that was like a gnashing of teeth in unison. Men and women danced together, women danced together, men danced together, as hazard had brought them together. At first, they were a mere storm of coarse red caps and coarse woollen rags; but, as they filled the place, and stopped to dance about Lucie, some ghastly apparition of a dance-figure gone raving mad arose among them. They advanced, retreated, struck at one another’s hands, clutched at one another’s heads, spun round alone, caught one another and spun round in pairs, until many of them dropped. While those were down, the rest linked hand in hand, and all spun round together: then the ring broke, and in separate rings of two and four they turned and turned until they all stopped at once, began again, struck, clutched, and tore, and then reversed the spin, and all spun round another way. Suddenly they stopped again, paused, struck out the time afresh, formed into lines the width of the public way, and, with their heads low down and their hands high up, swooped screaming off. No fight could have been half so errible as this dance. It was so emphatically a fallen sport—a something, once innocent, delivered over to all devilry—a healthy pastime changed into a means of angering the blood, bewildering the senses, and steeling the heart. Such grace as was visible in it, made it the uglier, showing how warped and perverted all things good by nature were become. The maidenly bosom bared to this, the pretty almost-child’s head thus distracted, the delicate foot mincing in this slough of blood and dirt, were types of the disjointed time.

     

    A TALE OF TWO CITIES, Book 3, Chapter 5

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @syonredux

    Speaking of the French Revolution, I recently watched Anthony Mann’s Reign of Terror/ The Black Book. It’s a good film, with a strong performance by Richard Basehart (One of the all-time great voices) as Robespierre and fantastic cinematography by noir-master John Alton.If you ever wanted to see a Film Noir take on the Reign of Terror, this is the movie for you:

  121. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    In Europe, people of means live in the cities. In America, they live in the suburbs and then commute for whatever purpose they have (nightlife, dining, shopping, etc). In many cases, that stuff gets sent out to the suburbs too.

    Manhattan is one of the few exceptions to that.

    If you don't like living in the suburbs and commuting, Europe is a better option.

    You'll find that the Euros often place their bad immigrant-heavy neighborhoods in the suburbs. In America, it's the opposite. Those neighborhoods are often in the inner cities.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Your argument is redundant because American suburbs are the most boring and charmless places in the World. In fact, there is a popular expression, the “white picket fence life” typical of American suburbia to denote a boring, uninsteresting and charmless life.

    You compare American suburbia to Paris or Rome? Really? You think American suburbia compares to living next to the Champs-Élysées, and you compare the bland houses of American suburbia to the historical buildings of Paris? Or Rome? Or even Cologne:?

    American suburbia still loses compared to most cities of Europe and even some Latin cities like Buenos Aires. Yes, I would rather live in Buenos Aires or Curitiba than Chicago OR American suburbia. These cities are prettier, the murder rate is lower and they have much nicer weather – even though it does get chilly there in the Winter, but to a much lesser degree than American inner cities.

    American suburbia still loses. You are not arguing with reason, but with patriotic pride. That is not a good way to have a rational debate.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Anonymous

    I don't think you read JohnnyWalker 123's comment very closely. He is comparing suburbs in America to suburbs in European cities. The historical buildings of Paris and Rome are -- Versailles excepted -- not generally located in European suburbs.

    A lot of this discussion is effectively a matter of taste, but characterizing American suburbs as "the most boring and charmless places in the World," suggests a lack of familiarity with the rest of the world, or an eccentric sense of charm.

    , @Hibernian
    @Anonymous

    Older suburbs such as Oak Park and Evanston are not as plastic.

    , @William Badwhite
    @Anonymous


    You are not arguing with reason, but with patriotic pride. That is not a good way to have a rational debate.
     
    It is difficult to have a "rational" debate on subjective matters. Some people like living in cities, some people prefer living in smaller towns. Suburbs are closer to smaller towns on the things people like about small towns.

    Next we can argue about what color is the best, green or blue.
  122. @anonymous
    Great analysis!!!

    But then again Steve,

    Portland leads the country in Vegan eateries per square mile. Detroit not so much.

    Like I have been saying Antifa is a plant based diet driven phenom. Strict plant base diets royally screw with one's sex hormones.

    Antifa = Vegan ISIS.

    Replies: @Muggles, @stillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123

    Muslims don’t eat that much meat. Whatever is driving their aggression, it’s probably not diet.

  123. I think there’e a joke that no one living in Portland is actually from Portland. It seems like Portland has become a gathering place for insane whites (especially the trans-gender weirdos) who can’t function in normal society. If Emma Lazarus were living in Portland, she would say, “Give me your crazies, your insane weirdos yearning to change their gender, the wretched psychos of your gentrified neighborhoods, send these, the mentally insane, to me.”

    • LOL: Hibernian
  124. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:

    BREAKING NEWS: The Portland riots have finally ended today. It’s over!

    Portland won the MLS soccer championship and tens of millions around the globe are sending their love energy and congratulations.

    The transformation on the streets is miraculous. A viral calming effect has filled the city with peace and serenity and blah blah zippety doo dah yada yada…

    JUST KIDDING PORTLANDIA FANS. THE MISERABLE MISFITS OF PDX DON’T CARE. SPORTS = FASCISM.

    They can’t wait to savagely sucker punch cops tonight and drop kick small children next week.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/portland-beats-orlando-2-1-to-claim-mls-is-back-championship

  125. @Hapalong Cassidy
    A more interesting question would be why Sam Francisco has not gone the way of Portland. The whites there are at least as liberal, and form a plurality if not a majority. But San Fran also has a lot more Asians, who probably have very little tolerance for this sort of thing.

    Replies: @san joaquin sam, @Ripple Earthdevil

    San Francisco has steadily evolved into an expensive, tech-oriented city, pushing out the fringey types that are attracted to leftist radicalism. While the cost of living in Portland has been going up it’s still way cheaper. Of course there are legions of homeless but no one’s organizing them to smash and loot the expensive stores in Union Square.

    Bay Area radicalism is centered across the bay in Oakland, with some spillover into Berkeley. Downtown Oakland has flareups of looting and destruction every few years and while there was an orgy of destruction in the immediate wake of the martyrdom of St. George of Fentanyl it’s been remarkably quiet since, nothing like the cities to our north.

  126. Detriot is simple, there’s nothing left to loot or to burn. The token crap like the casinos or ballpark or RenCen are almost impregnable (they were built post-1967) and the police chief & prosecutor support law abiding citizens carrying and shooting criminals.

    All the good stuff is in Oakland, Macomb, or Livingston Counties – all of which are inhabited primarily by the white folks who were forced to abandon Detriot because of the negro violence and dysfunction. Their kids can be pretty far left, but they all know not to venture south of 8 Mile Rd or East of Middlebelt.

    Portland is just one giant soft target by comparison. I have never seen so many vagrants in any city. And the entire place just exudes softness in a way one might see only in tiny enclaves in other towns.

  127. @Patrick Sullivan
    @Steve Sailer

    Antifa and especially its leaders seem to be disproportionately hispanic.

    As for Detroit it has a no-nonsense police chief, James Craig, who announced clearly that Detroit wouldn't be putting up with Portland-style looting and violence.

    Replies: @For what it's worth

    James Craig has appeared on Tucker Carlson. Apparently he lived through the Rodney King riots of 1992 and said he wouldn’t let that happen in Detroit.

  128. @Bert

    Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.
     
    Portlandia has attracted neo-Marxist youth for decades. Keese Love, the place-kicker for the Portland Nights team, was a native of Miami until recently. In my neighborhood, a Green Party organizer set up a neighborhood association so he could claim enough expertise to get civil service employment in the the coastal Northwest. As soon as he had the job offer, he dropped our neighborhood association like a hot potato. Portland, Seattle, Eugene, Austin, Ann Arbor are all "sinks" that attract and absorb Commie wannabes. I guess the "sources" (thinking in terms of a source-sink model) are especially university towns all over. But really nice places like Ann Arbor, Athens, and Gainesville have a loop in the graph feeding back on themselves, i.e., some leftist losers treat the source as a sink because they're too comfortable or lazy to move on.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @ThreeCranes, @Stan d Mute

    really nice places like Ann Arbor, Athens, and Gainesville have a loop in the graph feeding back on themselves, i.e., some leftist losers treat the source as a sink because they’re too comfortable or lazy to move on.

    They’ve also been recession proof boom towns for the past two decades. Ann Arbor alone saw something like 4 Billion in construction since Y2K while admin staff at the Universities and Colleges has ballooned. During the recession especially, the money spigots were running full blast into these towns along with the federal agencies.

  129. @glib
    Living in the Detroit and seeing demonstrations pass under my windows many times, I think this article is off the mark.

    Detroit has, for a change, a decent administration which has tried hard to revive the city. I did witness some tense police moments in the early days, in the housing projects across the street, but eventually the police has used a very light touch that has not ruffled any feathers. They always show a lot of patience when herding back the masses after a protest. Curfews were a joke, although I suspect that Whitmer did crack down more on the whiter parts of the state. The new Detroit culture, with many young whites having been in contact with blacks for a decade now (I would be a multi-millionaire if I had invested in Detroit real estate in 2011), generated mostly mixed black-white demonstrations, with bicycles and people walking dogs. I have experienced many instances of whites and blacks collaborating on neighborhood issues.

    So Detroit has been calm. I even sold my gun (although that is due to me traveling, and when I will return, I will go live in an italian neighborhood). The economic future is bleak since the car industry is in free fall. But the main difference is a more evolved culture in Detroit, at least when it comes to getting along, which does not reject the original culture of the working classes, as well as good admin. Portland was and is full of flakes all the way to the top.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan d Mute

    I did witness some tense police moments in the early days, in the housing projects across the street, but eventually the police has used a very light touch that has not ruffled any feathers.

    Oh for fuck sake, seriously? These poor readers don’t know that you are describing about a 10 block area of well fortified (and many long abandoned boarded-up) redevelopment surrounded by miles of burned out post industrial wasteland. You make it sound like you’re describing the city, not a minuscule enclave favored by billionaires like Dan Gilbert, Roger Penske (Steve should reflect on what Penske’s boy is up to out there), the Ford family, the Ilitch family, and to a lesser extent the Maroun family and Peter Karmanos. After the hood rats raped the Shinola store, what’s left? Are they gonna storm MotorCity Casino?

    The way you write, people are going to think Detriot is like the garden city on Lake Erie …

    [MORE]

    Pick one. Note that you don’t hear much about rioting/looting in Cleveburg or Buffalo either..

    • Replies: @glib
    @Stan d Mute

    It's not 10 blocks. It is a triangular area with vertices at the Eastern Market, WSU and downtown. 2-4 square miles. Plus of course Mexicantown and other parts, like near the Fischer building, Corktown, and Woodsbridge. What prompted me to post is the fact that Detroit is held up like it is the worst city in the US. I am betting that in the new miserable normal many places will fare worse. These people are getting used to each other, and the admin is light years from past admins. Of course, they are all people without money in the bank.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  130. @Servant of Gla'aki

    ...every single one looks like they have some combination of cluster B personality disorders.
     
    This has really become a trend at this site lately ie. people who seem to believe they can diagnose psychiatric disorders, based solely on an examination of a single photograph of another person.

    I'm pretty sure there's not much in the way of any rational basis for that belief.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “This has really become a trend at this site lately ie. people who seem to believe they can diagnose psychiatric disorders, based solely on an examination of a single photograph of another person.”

    The lines in our faces don’t lie. Frown lines denote a perpetually depressed person.

    Strong vertical lines on the brow between the eyes denote perpetual anger.

    Strong horizontal lines across the brow denote a person wracked with anxiety. Also bugged out eyes indicate anxiety and perpetual irrational fear, ie crazy eyes.

    Crows feet around the eyes denote someone who smiles and laughs a lot. Deep lines above the corners of lips denote the same.

    Avoid any deep relationship with the first three facial phyz – I don’t care how otherwise attractive they are – and seek relationships with the fourth phyz.

  131. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    "Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?"

    Because OMNI Consumer Products is keeping things under control: https://youtu.be/Z931XZ2wfpE

    In all seriousness, though, it is amazing how shitty these American inner cities like Detroit, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Chicago, etc, are. Cities completely devoid of charm, of nice architecture, completely utilitarian living centered around heavy manufacturing(and now not even that), a terrible weather with Winter temperatures that often drop below -22 F, and then rise to over 104 F during summer time with scorthing humidity, etc. Like a hypotehtical mixture of Moscow with Rio de Janeiro. Who the hell wants to live in those dumps? They were already toxic dumps back in the 1950's and 1960's when at least they had a strong economy, as all the pollution and toxic sewege from industry was dumped there. Now, they are barren wastelands as jobs moved to China. The horrible climate and dystopian cities with no charm are still there, and now they have massive poverty to add to that mix.

    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving .

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Lot, @JohnnyWalker123, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Joseph A.

    It’s so much fun to stroll down the Magnificent Mile on a nice day. You can people -watch all the well dressed men striding so purposefully on their way to do important things,and the beautiful women in their designer clothes. You can window shop the brand’s you see on tv. Look,it’s Ferragamo,ha ha.

    Hello,what’s this? A car pulls up and negroes emerge. I’m sure everything is fine!😄

  132. @Anonymous
    At bottom, it's not about blacks - but all about virtual signalling and showing what a 'good person' you are.

    As has been said before this Antifa thing is really of the nature of a religious cult, a cult which demands bloody sacrifice to propriate its gods, that is black people. The devotees of the cult - brainless whites - perform the sacred rites of bloody sacrifice all right, but crucially note that although white blood is the only blood acceptable to the gods, its not *their* blood which will be spilled.
    No.
    Of course, it's the blood of the white trash, the Trump voters, fly over Americans, the contemptible beasts of the field.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jake, @Ben tillman, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @J1234, @SMK

    The “virtue-signally” and violence of BLM and Antifa is all about blacks and white “racism.” Albeit Portland is only 5.3% black and Seattle only 6/7% black, there would be no mass protests decrying “police brutality” and the “murder” of George Floyd and “systemic racism” and no BLM and Antifa riots and terrorism if these cities and all of the U.S. had no blacks. If not for blacks, ther’d be no BLM or Antifa.

    As for Detroit: what would be the point of a BLM protest against “systemic racism” in a city that is 80% black and in which whites are less than 10% of the population and have virtually no power. And if white Antifa were insane enough to protest and riot in Detroit, they’d be crushed, brutally and viciously, by black criminals who commit hundreds of rapes and murders each year and thousands of assaults and other violent felonies.

  133. @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    There are two metropolitan settlements with proportionately large Jewish populations (New York and Miami) and two with above-average Jewish populations (Washington and Boston). Pretty much everywhere else in the country, the Jewish share of the population is < 2%.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Hibernian, @kaganovitch

    There are two metropolitan settlements with proportionately large Jewish populations (New York and Miami) and two with above-average Jewish populations (Washington and Boston). Pretty much everywhere else in the country, the Jewish share of the population is < 2%.

    Not so. The Jewish population percentage in the following metro areas is higher than 2%.
    Chicago – >3%
    Denver – >3%
    San Diego – 3%
    Philadelphia – 4.5%
    LA – 4.5%
    SF – >5%

    • Replies: @res
    @kaganovitch

    Thanks. Here is a list of the top 21 US metro areas and their Jewish population.
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

    Based on that list you can add
    St. Louis -- 2.2%
    and arguably
    Atlanta -- 2.0%

    BTW, those top 21 metro areas account for 39.1% of the total US population and 79.3% of the total US Jewish population. If you do the math that means Jews are about 0.7% of the rest of the country.

    P.S. I really wish Art Deco would include more references to his assertions. So much good data, so few references.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  134. Detroit Police Chief James Craig (who is black, by the way, but who has no time for rioters). All of the peaceful rioting has been in places where the power structure assured the rioters that there would be no law. All it would have taken to avoid the sack of Michigan Avenue was good police work under existing law.

  135. @Muggles
    @anonymous

    >>Antifa = Vegan ISIS.<<

    Interesting theory. But lacking in evidence.

    You could conduct an experiment to find out. Jail some antifa types and feed them nothing but meat and a few veggies/fruit. If some resist that then meat only.

    Hunger is the universal motivator. Every real brutal dictatorship ends up relying on that for obedience. So in a week or two you'd find out about changed political opinions. They'd be reciting the Pledge of Allegiance for their next greasy hamburger soon enough.

    Usually the stereotype is that male meat eaters are the violent brutes. Who knew eggplant could be so dangerous?

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @anonymous

    Usually the stereotype is that male meat eaters are the violent brutes. Who knew eggplant could be so dangerous?

    Italians? Melanzane! Mulignane!

  136. Portland has no sales tax. The down town stores can be closed for 80 days and it does not immediately affect the city’s revenue. In any other city the mayor would be freaking out due to lost revenue.

  137. @Rob McX

    Plus, Detroit serves as a sort of giant object lesson that the conventional wisdom of 2020 is stupid.
     
    Right. Detroit is the logical conclusion to the ideology of antifa. For them to go agitating there would be the equivalent of Western fellow travellers holding a conference in a gulag camp.

    There was a famous debate in the Oxford Union in 1933 on the motion "This House will under no circumstances fight for its King and country" (passed). Less well known was a motion before the Cambridge Union the previous year: "This house sees more hope in Moscow than in Detroit".

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Dumbo, @Colin Wright

    ‘…Less well known was a motion before the Cambridge Union the previous year: “This house sees more hope in Moscow than in Detroit”.’

    It’s ironic that that has become an eminently defensible statement.

    One could say that the Cambridge Union was just way ahead of its time.

    Well, that time has come. For worse rather than better — but it’s come.

  138. @Harry Baldwin
    @Jonathan Mason

    Even the mainstream media are not very reliable in respect to actual boots-on-the-ground reporting

    That's understandable, since MSM reporters are under orders not to tell the truth about what's actually happening.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘That’s understandable, since MSM reporters are under orders not to tell the truth about what’s actually happening.’

    I don’t know whether they’re under orders or not — but they might as well be. That’s definitely the effect.

  139. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    There are two metropolitan settlements with proportionately large Jewish populations (New York and Miami) and two with above-average Jewish populations (Washington and Boston). Pretty much everywhere else in the country, the Jewish share of the population is < 2%.

    Not so. The Jewish population percentage in the following metro areas is higher than 2%.
    Chicago - >3%
    Denver - >3%
    San Diego - 3%
    Philadelphia - 4.5%
    LA - 4.5%
    SF - >5%

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. Here is a list of the top 21 US metro areas and their Jewish population.
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

    Based on that list you can add
    St. Louis — 2.2%
    and arguably
    Atlanta — 2.0%

    BTW, those top 21 metro areas account for 39.1% of the total US population and 79.3% of the total US Jewish population. If you do the math that means Jews are about 0.7% of the rest of the country.

    P.S. I really wish Art Deco would include more references to his assertions. So much good data, so few references.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @res

    I hadn't looked at Atlanta stats for a while. I see that you are right. Federation count of Atl. Jews in 2006 was approx 120,000 of 6.000.000 in Atlanta metro, thus a little over 2%.

  140. @Buzz Mohawk
    This probably has more to do with organization and shadowy support than anything. Don't fool yourself; these events are not organic, and they are not caused by the populations in the locales.

    For whatever reason, Portland has more organization and support for this SHOW, while Detroit evidently doesn't. There may be strategic reasons for the manipulation of public opinion. Every one of these places is a stage being used, more or less, for purposes of molding perceptions and bringing down the populist, anti-globalist uprising.

    It will subside, perhaps to some degree at least, when President Harris is sworn in to replace Biden -- but it will be brought back, wherever most effective, whenever it is needed afterward.

    So will Corona-chan or her successor.

    Then again, this all could just be because Portland has more doofus trustafarians and neo-hippies or whatever you want to call them.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Kronos, @Yawrate, @Anonymousse

    It will subside, perhaps to some degree at least, when President Harris is sworn in to replace Biden

    When no one really knows the future, I wonder why some people insist on imagining only the worst possibilities. Just a different flavor of cope for uncertainty I guess

  141. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Antifa on the East Coast is very heavily Jewish.

  142. I hate to go all conspiracy theory – oh wait, no I don’t – it’s precisely Detroit’s paucity of whites and college-educated blacks that prevents the organising of riots by the DNC/CIA/State dept./George Soros/Lex Luthor – the only option for controllable footsoldiers in Detroit is probably black gangs, who are too tough and scary for the bowtied bagmen to go near – Deep State’s only conduits to black gangs are black politicians and local police: the latter aren’t going to help get themselves defunded, and in Detroit the former, I dunno, maybe they’re still upset that Kwame Kilpatrick got hounded by the Feds and replaced with a white guy

  143. @res
    @kaganovitch

    Thanks. Here is a list of the top 21 US metro areas and their Jewish population.
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

    Based on that list you can add
    St. Louis -- 2.2%
    and arguably
    Atlanta -- 2.0%

    BTW, those top 21 metro areas account for 39.1% of the total US population and 79.3% of the total US Jewish population. If you do the math that means Jews are about 0.7% of the rest of the country.

    P.S. I really wish Art Deco would include more references to his assertions. So much good data, so few references.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    I hadn’t looked at Atlanta stats for a while. I see that you are right. Federation count of Atl. Jews in 2006 was approx 120,000 of 6.000.000 in Atlanta metro, thus a little over 2%.

  144. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    "Why has Detroit been so calm during the Summer of George while Portland has been so riotous?"

    Because OMNI Consumer Products is keeping things under control: https://youtu.be/Z931XZ2wfpE

    In all seriousness, though, it is amazing how shitty these American inner cities like Detroit, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Chicago, etc, are. Cities completely devoid of charm, of nice architecture, completely utilitarian living centered around heavy manufacturing(and now not even that), a terrible weather with Winter temperatures that often drop below -22 F, and then rise to over 104 F during summer time with scorthing humidity, etc. Like a hypotehtical mixture of Moscow with Rio de Janeiro. Who the hell wants to live in those dumps? They were already toxic dumps back in the 1950's and 1960's when at least they had a strong economy, as all the pollution and toxic sewege from industry was dumped there. Now, they are barren wastelands as jobs moved to China. The horrible climate and dystopian cities with no charm are still there, and now they have massive poverty to add to that mix.

    Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving .

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Lot, @JohnnyWalker123, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Joseph A.

    As a native Cincinnatian who lived a year in Paris (5th arr.) and 15 years in D.C. (Capitol Hill) — meaning that I’ve had the chance to make informed comparisons of “great cities” with my homeland — I find this comment largely ignorant (though absolutely correct regarding the climate). Midwestern cities have much gorgeous architecture and an extensive cultural inheritance (music, museums, other institutions of learning), though places like Detroit and, to some extent, St. Louis have let their patrimony decay. Cincinnati is featured in many films because of the lovely 19th century era streets and buildings. Much charm. However, these cities’ greatest appeal is their people. I spent a fair amount of time in Michigan, and I’ve found (sub/urban, white) Michiganders the closest people, culturally, to (sub/urban, white) Ohioans — and I have a special place in my heart for them — good, hardy, civic-minded people with a strong dose of realism (impressed, no doubt, by the unpleasant aspects of our cities). D.C., by contrast, is full of self-centered, ladder-climbing, shallow-souled rats who worship no one but themselves. There is a lot to say for the Beltway, but it attracts an ugly sort of human being (internally, that is). There are plenty of arses in the Midwest, of course, but they make up a much smaller proportion of the population.

    In addition, there is a positive aspect to living in a place with the worst of all seasons — it’s easier to travel. One reads all sorts of warnings before visiting the tropics or places as cold as a witch’s tit, and then you go and wonder what the fuss was all about.

    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks
  145. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    No, I don't think so. I have been to Chicago. The few parks they have are copied from other cities. There is no artistic integrity to any of it. It is a barren, lifeless city build exclusively on utilitarian grounds. When I was there in early February, 2016, it was -25 F. With the wind effect, the actual thermic sensation was of -94 F. There was a public warnign that you should stay in as you could die in as little as 10 minutes of exposure. Then, when I had been in Chicago years before during Summer time, I stood outside the airport for 2 hurs waiting for a friend to pick me up and it was 105 F with over 90% air humidity. I actually had a hypotensive emergency and had to be medicated. It reminded me of Calcuta, another city I had visited during Summer time. How can human beings live like that?

    Recently, Chicago has been trying to be like Paris. This is ridiculous. Paris is very much like Elvis: the original is *always* much better than the many copies. No city can be like Paris, just like no one can do Elvis like the original. There is another issue: Paris can only be Paris because of where it is located. A city designed around beautiful public architecture and spaces for leisure can only work if the natural environment allows you to take advantage of it. Paris has a very mild climate compared to Chicago, with peaks during the Summer seldom going above 82 F and in the coldest days of Winter seldom going below 28 F. So you can enjoy open spaces years round. But in Chicago, you are home bound for 8-9 months of the years.

    The fact is that the American Midwest is a continental grassland that was never meant for human occupation.

    I cannot see how anyone could live in these American inner cities except for business. And this has nothing to do with being either a liberal or conservative. For a liberal, these cities lack charm and artistic integrity. For a conservative, the kind that values having kids above all other concerns, these cities lack safe open spaces for kids to play and they will be house bound for most of the time. You are better off maving to a small city where kids can play in the open. You still have to deal with terrible weather, but at least is is safer for kids.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    “The few parks they have are copied from other cities.”

    You mean that the designers of Chicago parks like Daniel Burham looked around to find out what was the best way to design a park and then copied it? That’s disgusting. Everybody knows that creative originality is what’s best in parks. Parks should have novel features like quicksand pits and mounds of broken glass.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Your sarcastic tone indicates to me that you are not playing dumb. Too bad. Yes, because every aesthetically pleasing park in the World looks exactly the same, right? I mean, Central Park in NYC looks exactly like Hyde Park in London. Wow, who could've thought? That you can create a beautiful park without copying another city's beautiful park and preserve artistic integrity. See, Sailer, I can do sarcasm too!

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer



    Parks should have novel features like quicksand pits and mounds of broken glass.

     

    I have seen a few parks that would benefit from quicksand pits.

    (They were not deficient in mounds of broken glass, however.)
  146. @Mr. Anon
    Portland is one of the few large metropolitan ares that does not fluoridate its water supply.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Maybe tooth decay has something to do with why Antifa look the way they do?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe tooth decay has something to do with why Antifa look the way they do?

    "Meth mouth" is a thing that rots teeth.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    Maybe tooth decay has something to do with why Antifa look the way they do?
     
    Does Portland really have a higher incidence of tooth decay than comparable areas that do not fluoridate their water?
  147. @stillCARealist
    @anonymous

    No, it's alcohol and pot, just like everywhere. Pot makes you stupid, alcohol makes you violent.

    Replies: @Lurker

    alcohol makes you violent

    And a bit stupid as well!

  148. anon[796] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes
    @Bert

    True what you say but the Pacific Northwest isn't Ann Arbor or Austin.

    The Northwest is home to some humbling natural features. Big mountains, deep water sailing, steep ski runs, dangerous back country skiing, alpine climbing that brings with it deaths on the glaciers every year, dangerous ocean kayaking, vast impenetrable forests of giant trees etc. etc.

    It's not a country to play at playing around in. You've got to take your play seriously. It weeds out the weak, the stupid and the incompetent.

    So there's an edge there that you don't get anywhere else in the lower 48. They may be social liberals but they're blue collar about outdoor recreation. Posers die. You've got to dress for survival every time you venture up in the mountains or out on the Sound. Water temp 54 degrees means hypothermia within half an hour.

    So, make fun of the Pacific Northwest, laugh at the gays on Capitol hill, but there are some serious, hard-core, outdoor athletes there.

    Replies: @anon, @anon

    It’s not a country to play at playing around in. You’ve got to take your play seriously. It weeds out the weak, the stupid and the incompetent.

    If they ever do any of those things. Look at the vids from Portlandia, do you see any free climbers or white water kayakers etc. in the crowd? Or the vid from the gay pride parade, the Antifa “security” doesn’t really look like what you describe. Even the place kicker for the Portland Nights isn’t all that.

    So, make fun of the Pacific Northwest, laugh at the gays on Capitol hill, but there are some serious, hard-core, outdoor athletes there.

    How many of those guys are standing around the Portlandia Federal courthouse all night for a week?

    Last time I was in Oregon I spent most of my time out on the coast. Everyone there looked and talked like a normal person, bearing no resemblance to the freaks showing up in Portland Police Bureau mugshots. On the other hand, the bums hanging out adjacent to Portland State University were potentially dangerous in a short altercation. But no sea kayakers there, either.

    tl;dr
    Meh.

  149. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Maybe tooth decay has something to do with why Antifa look the way they do?

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon

    Maybe tooth decay has something to do with why Antifa look the way they do?

    “Meth mouth” is a thing that rots teeth.

  150. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Maybe tooth decay has something to do with why Antifa look the way they do?

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon

    Maybe tooth decay has something to do with why Antifa look the way they do?

    Does Portland really have a higher incidence of tooth decay than comparable areas that do not fluoridate their water?

  151. anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    @anonymous

    >>Antifa = Vegan ISIS.<<

    Interesting theory. But lacking in evidence.

    You could conduct an experiment to find out. Jail some antifa types and feed them nothing but meat and a few veggies/fruit. If some resist that then meat only.

    Hunger is the universal motivator. Every real brutal dictatorship ends up relying on that for obedience. So in a week or two you'd find out about changed political opinions. They'd be reciting the Pledge of Allegiance for their next greasy hamburger soon enough.

    Usually the stereotype is that male meat eaters are the violent brutes. Who knew eggplant could be so dangerous?

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @anonymous

    Look I am kidding a bit, but just a bit.

    There is a huge overlap between Antifa and veganism.

    See following;

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/antifa-organizer-seattles-autonomous-zone-begs-vegan-meat-soy-keep-area-operational-homeless-people-take-food

    The extreme narcissism and self delusion exhibited by Antifa is also something commonly noted by psychologists and doctors treating vegans. There are dozens of testimonials by recovered vegans that they had no idea how mentally ill they became.

    The collapse in sex hormones common among vegans may explain the high degree of gender dysphoria among vegan Antifa members.

  152. @Kyle
    A critical mass of people in Detroit are illiterate. They don’t pay attention to current events, especially national stories. I find most of the residents philistine and uncultured. My dad installed granite countertops in his kitchen. He joked to his real estate agent that the color should be called starry night because it looked like the Van Gogh painting.
    https://www.vincentvangogh.org/images/paintings/the-starry-night.jpg
    She didn’t know who Van Gogh was. If white female home sellers aren’t familiar with massively popular artists, I’m assuming that a lot of the underclass population doesn’t keep up with current events and may not even know who George Floyd is.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Dube

    She didn’t know who Van Gogh was.

    He could have taken his real estate agent to the Detroit Institute of Arts to show her.

    And the DIA has a special exhibition of Van Gogh paintings coming up in October.
    https://www.dia.org/events/van-gogh-america.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Dube

    Even people, like me, who are not all that cultured, know he's the dude who cut off his ear.

  153. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Most whites are no longer just one ethnicity. My mom was from England but all her grandkids are multi-white-ethnic: German, English, Belgian, Scottish, French, Norwegian, Polish (hell one branch of grandkids just did their 23andMe & found out they had some Ashkenazi Jewish). You may think you see Finns or Swedes but most American whites are one merry mix-up. They are the ethnicity of White.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @duncsbaby

    "They are the ethnicity of White."

    They were the ethnicity of America --- until the disastrous 1967 Immigration Law.

  154. @Anon
    Basically, Antifa is like the Westboro Baptist Church. They're a pack of nutjobs with an issue on the brain, and they're going around bothering everybody about it with their moronic demonstrations.

    Anyone in Antifa, or in sympathy with Antifa, is a very, very silly person who needs to get a life.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Authenticjazzman, @duncsbaby

    Their silliness is being coddled and encouraged by the Dems, academia and the media. Their silliness is being accepted as normal adult behavior. They aren’t in for a big wake-up call, they will keep shaping society to their insane ends.

  155. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "The few parks they have are copied from other cities."

    You mean that the designers of Chicago parks like Daniel Burham looked around to find out what was the best way to design a park and then copied it? That's disgusting. Everybody knows that creative originality is what's best in parks. Parks should have novel features like quicksand pits and mounds of broken glass.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Your sarcastic tone indicates to me that you are not playing dumb. Too bad. Yes, because every aesthetically pleasing park in the World looks exactly the same, right? I mean, Central Park in NYC looks exactly like Hyde Park in London. Wow, who could’ve thought? That you can create a beautiful park without copying another city’s beautiful park and preserve artistic integrity. See, Sailer, I can do sarcasm too!

  156. The Floyd Riots seemed to occur in cities that were still able to attract high end retail. So places like NYC/Atlanta got hit but Detroit/Newark were spared.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Ed


    So places like NYC/Atlanta got hit but Detroit/Newark were spared.
     
    Was Atlanta particularly hard hit?

    A Wendy's was burned down after a confrontation between an intoxicated motorist and two cops turned violent. But I thought that was about the extent of it, other than some wannabe Black Panthers marching around Stone Mountain with guns, but only for theatrical purposes.
  157. @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Your argument is redundant because American suburbs are the most boring and charmless places in the World. In fact, there is a popular expression, the "white picket fence life" typical of American suburbia to denote a boring, uninsteresting and charmless life.

    You compare American suburbia to Paris or Rome? Really? You think American suburbia compares to living next to the Champs-Élysées, and you compare the bland houses of American suburbia to the historical buildings of Paris? Or Rome? Or even Cologne:?

    American suburbia still loses compared to most cities of Europe and even some Latin cities like Buenos Aires. Yes, I would rather live in Buenos Aires or Curitiba than Chicago OR American suburbia. These cities are prettier, the murder rate is lower and they have much nicer weather - even though it does get chilly there in the Winter, but to a much lesser degree than American inner cities.

    American suburbia still loses. You are not arguing with reason, but with patriotic pride. That is not a good way to have a rational debate.

    Replies: @black sea, @Hibernian, @William Badwhite

    I don’t think you read JohnnyWalker 123’s comment very closely. He is comparing suburbs in America to suburbs in European cities. The historical buildings of Paris and Rome are — Versailles excepted — not generally located in European suburbs.

    A lot of this discussion is effectively a matter of taste, but characterizing American suburbs as “the most boring and charmless places in the World,” suggests a lack of familiarity with the rest of the world, or an eccentric sense of charm.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  158. @Ed
    The Floyd Riots seemed to occur in cities that were still able to attract high end retail. So places like NYC/Atlanta got hit but Detroit/Newark were spared.

    Replies: @black sea

    So places like NYC/Atlanta got hit but Detroit/Newark were spared.

    Was Atlanta particularly hard hit?

    A Wendy’s was burned down after a confrontation between an intoxicated motorist and two cops turned violent. But I thought that was about the extent of it, other than some wannabe Black Panthers marching around Stone Mountain with guns, but only for theatrical purposes.

  159. @Stan d Mute
    @glib


    I did witness some tense police moments in the early days, in the housing projects across the street, but eventually the police has used a very light touch that has not ruffled any feathers.
     
    Oh for fuck sake, seriously? These poor readers don’t know that you are describing about a 10 block area of well fortified (and many long abandoned boarded-up) redevelopment surrounded by miles of burned out post industrial wasteland. You make it sound like you’re describing the city, not a minuscule enclave favored by billionaires like Dan Gilbert, Roger Penske (Steve should reflect on what Penske’s boy is up to out there), the Ford family, the Ilitch family, and to a lesser extent the Maroun family and Peter Karmanos. After the hood rats raped the Shinola store, what’s left? Are they gonna storm MotorCity Casino?

    The way you write, people are going to think Detriot is like the garden city on Lake Erie ...


    Pick one. Note that you don’t hear much about rioting/looting in Cleveburg or Buffalo either..

    Replies: @glib

    It’s not 10 blocks. It is a triangular area with vertices at the Eastern Market, WSU and downtown. 2-4 square miles. Plus of course Mexicantown and other parts, like near the Fischer building, Corktown, and Woodsbridge. What prompted me to post is the fact that Detroit is held up like it is the worst city in the US. I am betting that in the new miserable normal many places will fare worse. These people are getting used to each other, and the admin is light years from past admins. Of course, they are all people without money in the bank.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @glib


    What prompted me to post is the fact that Detroit is held up like it is the worst city in the US.
     
    It is. It has been consistently, for decades, been America’s “most violent city,” “murder capital,” or some combination thereof. No other city is as segregated, no other large city so poor and bombed-out as Detriot.

    I am betting that in the new miserable normal many places will fare worse. These people are getting used to each other, and the admin is light years from past admins.
     
    If your point is that Detriot, and it’s (mature adult) negro population, have achieved a kind of equilibrium whereby they somewhat acknowledge that they are entirely dependent on white folks and our extermination is perhaps not the best idea (much as many Africans have back home), then I agree. Detriot is the future for the majority of the readers in the rest of the country and the next 50 years will be much worse for them than for us. We’ve been thru the worst of it. I survived ‘67, a white infant in an orphanage a couple blocks from ground zero, suffering the after-effects for 50 years. Places like Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, and even Chicongo have a very long way to fall yet.

    Replies: @glib, @Dube

  160. @Lot
    @Anonymous

    “ Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving”

    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

    Kind of surprised me when I first visited, nobody mentions this in the tourist guides. Like the manure smell in farm country, I think Manhattanites are just used to the smell of fetid hot trash.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Buzz Mohawk

    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

    I disagree strongly with this, Lot. The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    I disagree strongly with this, Lot. The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.
     
    You forget the stench of rotting fish in china town. It depends much on the neighborhood. Anyway it’s a unique experience in July/August on a hot humid day.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    , @Anonymous
    @The Last Real Calvinist



    The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.

     

    Is urinating in public in NYC still counted as a civil rather than a criminal offence?

    You can't get much more progressive than that.
    , @JMcG
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    So more like New Orleans then?

  161. @Yawrate
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I've lived in SE Michigan for 60 years. There are a number of reasons Detroit ended up like it is. The riot of 1967 started the white flight from Detroit. This wasn't so bad for the city because many fine homes were for sale cheap. But many businesses were devastated which greatly slowed redevelopment.

    Then the mayors of Detroit started using the city as their own private slush fund. They never did anything to relieve the burden of pensions. Corruption and inefficiency at all levels of government was rife. This all culminated in what was locally known as the "family and friends" program under mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. He ended up in prison for his corruption (still there too!).

    And in the middle of the mayoral corruption NAFTA happened. Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Toledo, Lansing, Wixom just to name a few cities, were devastated by a closing and shrinking automobile industry. The people of Detroit abandoned homes in droves. The 2008 housing debacle was the final straw. Thousands of homes were then destroyed as part of blight mitigation. When you fly over the city you can see the open space.

    Detroit ended up filing for bankruptcy. It's creditors getting pennies on the dollar. The governor at the time, Rich Snyder, saved the Detroit museum of art (owned by the city) from creditors by twisting corporate arms to buy the museum then give it to a non-profit. The museum houses world class art donated by the scions of the auto industry and was considered an asset to creditors.

    The current mayor appears to be hard working and honest and won a second term despite being white. The police chief well remembers 1967 and with the mayor's approval is very quick to confront the few rioters that show up. Further, I think many in Detroit realize they've been given a second chance and are unwilling to burn it all down.

    Detroit bottomed out about 5 years ago. No where to go but up.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Bill

    Detroit bottomed out about 5 years ago. No where to go but up.

    That’s what I have been saying about Port Au Prince and Monrovia for years! Why any second now Detriot will blossom like Kinshasa…

  162. @Lot
    @Anonymous

    “ Manhattan is the only place in America fit civilized lving”

    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

    Kind of surprised me when I first visited, nobody mentions this in the tourist guides. Like the manure smell in farm country, I think Manhattanites are just used to the smell of fetid hot trash.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Buzz Mohawk

    The most overrated place on Earth. Pretty from a distance across the water. I haven’t been there in over a year now, because I don’t have to go anymore. I can be there in ninety minutes, but honestly, why go? It’s getting worse, and I am laughing at the smug bastards who are basically living on top of a heap of garbage there.

  163. @Yawrate
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I've lived in SE Michigan for 60 years. There are a number of reasons Detroit ended up like it is. The riot of 1967 started the white flight from Detroit. This wasn't so bad for the city because many fine homes were for sale cheap. But many businesses were devastated which greatly slowed redevelopment.

    Then the mayors of Detroit started using the city as their own private slush fund. They never did anything to relieve the burden of pensions. Corruption and inefficiency at all levels of government was rife. This all culminated in what was locally known as the "family and friends" program under mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. He ended up in prison for his corruption (still there too!).

    And in the middle of the mayoral corruption NAFTA happened. Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Toledo, Lansing, Wixom just to name a few cities, were devastated by a closing and shrinking automobile industry. The people of Detroit abandoned homes in droves. The 2008 housing debacle was the final straw. Thousands of homes were then destroyed as part of blight mitigation. When you fly over the city you can see the open space.

    Detroit ended up filing for bankruptcy. It's creditors getting pennies on the dollar. The governor at the time, Rich Snyder, saved the Detroit museum of art (owned by the city) from creditors by twisting corporate arms to buy the museum then give it to a non-profit. The museum houses world class art donated by the scions of the auto industry and was considered an asset to creditors.

    The current mayor appears to be hard working and honest and won a second term despite being white. The police chief well remembers 1967 and with the mayor's approval is very quick to confront the few rioters that show up. Further, I think many in Detroit realize they've been given a second chance and are unwilling to burn it all down.

    Detroit bottomed out about 5 years ago. No where to go but up.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Bill

    There’s a nice gallery of mayors of Detroit at wikipedia.

    In 1974, less than a decade after the riots, something changed and stayed changed for a long, long time.

  164. @glib
    @Stan d Mute

    It's not 10 blocks. It is a triangular area with vertices at the Eastern Market, WSU and downtown. 2-4 square miles. Plus of course Mexicantown and other parts, like near the Fischer building, Corktown, and Woodsbridge. What prompted me to post is the fact that Detroit is held up like it is the worst city in the US. I am betting that in the new miserable normal many places will fare worse. These people are getting used to each other, and the admin is light years from past admins. Of course, they are all people without money in the bank.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    What prompted me to post is the fact that Detroit is held up like it is the worst city in the US.

    It is. It has been consistently, for decades, been America’s “most violent city,” “murder capital,” or some combination thereof. No other city is as segregated, no other large city so poor and bombed-out as Detriot.

    I am betting that in the new miserable normal many places will fare worse. These people are getting used to each other, and the admin is light years from past admins.

    If your point is that Detriot, and it’s (mature adult) negro population, have achieved a kind of equilibrium whereby they somewhat acknowledge that they are entirely dependent on white folks and our extermination is perhaps not the best idea (much as many Africans have back home), then I agree. Detriot is the future for the majority of the readers in the rest of the country and the next 50 years will be much worse for them than for us. We’ve been thru the worst of it. I survived ‘67, a white infant in an orphanage a couple blocks from ground zero, suffering the after-effects for 50 years. Places like Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, and even Chicongo have a very long way to fall yet.

    • Replies: @glib
    @Stan d Mute

    We will have to agree to disagree. Believe it or not, I have met 2 people who have moved in from NY, and two from LA. Types who can work remotely. They like the city, the traffic, the taxes, the cost of living, while getting all they want from a city (ballparks, symphony, restaurants, etc). I myself paid 1550 a month for a 1.5 bedroom, for 3 years. More expensive, with better restaurants than Ann Arbor. My daughter would like to live in Detroit.

    Although I also know plenty of people our age who grew up in Detroit and are bitter about their experience. I understand those people too.

    , @Dube
    @Stan d Mute

    I survived ‘67, a white infant in an orphanage a couple blocks from ground zero, suffering the after-effects for 50 years.

    The Felician Sisters Orphanage, on St. Aubin and Canfield?

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  165. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Lot


    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

     

    I disagree strongly with this, Lot. The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Anonymous, @JMcG

    I disagree strongly with this, Lot. The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.

    You forget the stench of rotting fish in china town. It depends much on the neighborhood. Anyway it’s a unique experience in July/August on a hot humid day.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Stan d Mute


    You forget the stench of rotting fish in china town. It depends much on the neighborhood.
     
    Then overlaying it all is the ceaseless horn-blowing and other noise. "The mating call of the 3rd world". There's nothing like it.
  166. @Tono Bungay
    I agree with Sailer's last suggestion, that in largely white places all sorts of romantic notions about black people can "incubate" and reach an intensity of moral fervor that a week's vacation in Anacostia would quench.

    Replies: @bomag, @Joseph Doaks

    “in largely white places all sorts of romantic notions about black people can “incubate” and reach an intensity of moral fervor”

    Which explains why the good people of Iowa gave Obama the big win which ultimately led to his presidency.

  167. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "The few parks they have are copied from other cities."

    You mean that the designers of Chicago parks like Daniel Burham looked around to find out what was the best way to design a park and then copied it? That's disgusting. Everybody knows that creative originality is what's best in parks. Parks should have novel features like quicksand pits and mounds of broken glass.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Parks should have novel features like quicksand pits and mounds of broken glass.

    I have seen a few parks that would benefit from quicksand pits.

    (They were not deficient in mounds of broken glass, however.)

  168. @duncsbaby
    @Steve Sailer

    Most whites are no longer just one ethnicity. My mom was from England but all her grandkids are multi-white-ethnic: German, English, Belgian, Scottish, French, Norwegian, Polish (hell one branch of grandkids just did their 23andMe & found out they had some Ashkenazi Jewish). You may think you see Finns or Swedes but most American whites are one merry mix-up. They are the ethnicity of White.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “They are the ethnicity of White.”

    They were the ethnicity of America — until the disastrous 1967 Immigration Law.

  169. @Deckin
    @Brutusale

    I'm not sure where you get that. There's a very famous synagogue in SF (very close to Dianne Feinstein's home), but on the whole, when compared to LA the Jewish presence in SF is quite slight. The city was historically much more dominated by Italians in the latter half of the 20th century--Alioto, Barbagelata, Moscone--and their central vehicle for building wealth and power was real estate). After that, the Chinese, who had historically been backseat partners (led by Rose Pak), moved more to the front of the line. I've lived in it or its environs my whole life and I didn't meet any number of Jews until I went to Berkeley as an undergrad--and they were, to a one, all from LA.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Brutusale

    The stats are for the metro area, not San Francisco proper, necessarily.

  170. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Lot


    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

     

    I disagree strongly with this, Lot. The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Anonymous, @JMcG

    The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.

    Is urinating in public in NYC still counted as a civil rather than a criminal offence?

    You can’t get much more progressive than that.

  171. Is it the best of times?

  172. Curious post. BLM doesn’t attack Detroit because its a Black run city, full of black people! Antifa doesn’t exist there, because there are few whites and they aren’t the kind of upper-middle class transgendered SWPL weirdos that live in Portland. Detroit is 10% white. And I’d bet most of those “Whites” are immigrants of some sort.

    Portland is one of the whitest major cities in the USA. Its 75% white. Its just the kind of place the Left wants to ethnically cleanse and restock with “the right sort”. The riots turned Detroit into a black run city. Are the Portland riots trying to also cause White flight and more diversity only this time with Asians and Hispanics?

  173. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    No, I don't think so. I have been to Chicago. The few parks they have are copied from other cities. There is no artistic integrity to any of it. It is a barren, lifeless city build exclusively on utilitarian grounds. When I was there in early February, 2016, it was -25 F. With the wind effect, the actual thermic sensation was of -94 F. There was a public warnign that you should stay in as you could die in as little as 10 minutes of exposure. Then, when I had been in Chicago years before during Summer time, I stood outside the airport for 2 hurs waiting for a friend to pick me up and it was 105 F with over 90% air humidity. I actually had a hypotensive emergency and had to be medicated. It reminded me of Calcuta, another city I had visited during Summer time. How can human beings live like that?

    Recently, Chicago has been trying to be like Paris. This is ridiculous. Paris is very much like Elvis: the original is *always* much better than the many copies. No city can be like Paris, just like no one can do Elvis like the original. There is another issue: Paris can only be Paris because of where it is located. A city designed around beautiful public architecture and spaces for leisure can only work if the natural environment allows you to take advantage of it. Paris has a very mild climate compared to Chicago, with peaks during the Summer seldom going above 82 F and in the coldest days of Winter seldom going below 28 F. So you can enjoy open spaces years round. But in Chicago, you are home bound for 8-9 months of the years.

    The fact is that the American Midwest is a continental grassland that was never meant for human occupation.

    I cannot see how anyone could live in these American inner cities except for business. And this has nothing to do with being either a liberal or conservative. For a liberal, these cities lack charm and artistic integrity. For a conservative, the kind that values having kids above all other concerns, these cities lack safe open spaces for kids to play and they will be house bound for most of the time. You are better off maving to a small city where kids can play in the open. You still have to deal with terrible weather, but at least is is safer for kids.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    With the wind effect, the actual thermic sensation was of -94 F.

    Maybe a slight exaggeration. I’ve lived in Chicago for almost 45 years and I’ve never experienced a below -60 degree F wind chill. Maybe -40 or -40 on very rare occasions.

    The fact is that the American Midwest is a continental grassland that was never meant for human occupation.

    Typical bicoastal attitude. Are you off your meds?

  174. @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Your argument is redundant because American suburbs are the most boring and charmless places in the World. In fact, there is a popular expression, the "white picket fence life" typical of American suburbia to denote a boring, uninsteresting and charmless life.

    You compare American suburbia to Paris or Rome? Really? You think American suburbia compares to living next to the Champs-Élysées, and you compare the bland houses of American suburbia to the historical buildings of Paris? Or Rome? Or even Cologne:?

    American suburbia still loses compared to most cities of Europe and even some Latin cities like Buenos Aires. Yes, I would rather live in Buenos Aires or Curitiba than Chicago OR American suburbia. These cities are prettier, the murder rate is lower and they have much nicer weather - even though it does get chilly there in the Winter, but to a much lesser degree than American inner cities.

    American suburbia still loses. You are not arguing with reason, but with patriotic pride. That is not a good way to have a rational debate.

    Replies: @black sea, @Hibernian, @William Badwhite

    Older suburbs such as Oak Park and Evanston are not as plastic.

  175. @Dube
    @Kyle

    She didn’t know who Van Gogh was.

    He could have taken his real estate agent to the Detroit Institute of Arts to show her.

    https://www.dia.org/sites/default/files/styles/events_main/public/22.13_cropped.png?itok=Wj3qkhZb

    And the DIA has a special exhibition of Van Gogh paintings coming up in October.
    https://www.dia.org/events/van-gogh-america.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Even people, like me, who are not all that cultured, know he’s the dude who cut off his ear.

  176. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Lot


    During the summer, Manhattan smells like a hot dumpster full of rotting trash.

     

    I disagree strongly with this, Lot. The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Anonymous, @JMcG

    So more like New Orleans then?

  177. @san joaquin sam
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    San Francisco is way too expensive for commie white trash to live in. And its too much hassle to live nearby and commute into the city for organized commie shenanigans. The cost and logistics just don't work.

    The hard-lefty crowd now lives in the East Bay, but the threat of black random violence--even death like that Berkeley student--is very real and keeps the white trash commie action somewhat limited.

    Replies: @cynthia curran

    Probably true, the commie in San Fran is Chesla Boudin, a lawyer. I bet about 50 percent of Antifa worked at Amazon or Starbucks. There is also a solar manufacturing plant that pays 20 an hour in Portland. It seems from Andy Ngo, some are professionals like computer programmers, but many are not. Ted Cruz still thinks Antifia is trust fund kids. I doubt that.

  178. @Stan d Mute
    @glib


    What prompted me to post is the fact that Detroit is held up like it is the worst city in the US.
     
    It is. It has been consistently, for decades, been America’s “most violent city,” “murder capital,” or some combination thereof. No other city is as segregated, no other large city so poor and bombed-out as Detriot.

    I am betting that in the new miserable normal many places will fare worse. These people are getting used to each other, and the admin is light years from past admins.
     
    If your point is that Detriot, and it’s (mature adult) negro population, have achieved a kind of equilibrium whereby they somewhat acknowledge that they are entirely dependent on white folks and our extermination is perhaps not the best idea (much as many Africans have back home), then I agree. Detriot is the future for the majority of the readers in the rest of the country and the next 50 years will be much worse for them than for us. We’ve been thru the worst of it. I survived ‘67, a white infant in an orphanage a couple blocks from ground zero, suffering the after-effects for 50 years. Places like Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, and even Chicongo have a very long way to fall yet.

    Replies: @glib, @Dube

    We will have to agree to disagree. Believe it or not, I have met 2 people who have moved in from NY, and two from LA. Types who can work remotely. They like the city, the traffic, the taxes, the cost of living, while getting all they want from a city (ballparks, symphony, restaurants, etc). I myself paid 1550 a month for a 1.5 bedroom, for 3 years. More expensive, with better restaurants than Ann Arbor. My daughter would like to live in Detroit.

    Although I also know plenty of people our age who grew up in Detroit and are bitter about their experience. I understand those people too.

  179. @Kinda Salty
    @Steve Sailer

    I grew up in Portland. Antifa seems to be made up of a lot of locals drawn from the white working class with some violent lefty transplants sprinkled in. These people did not grow up with any real contact with the black underclass which seems to make lefty politics more palatable to them. Now, I live near the a large East Coast city and the white working class tends to be religious (lots of Irish and Italian Catholics) and lean right. Most of them have lived adjacent to poor blacks and have no delusions about them. They'll let you know all about their colorful experiences over a few beers.

    Replies: @ATBOTL

    Now, I live near the a large East Coast city and the white working class tends to be religious (lots of Irish and Italian Catholics) and lean right.

    “Ethnic” whites on the East Coast have a sense of detachment from American culture. They tend to not be so influenced by American media/religion/politics/mass culture. In general, they do not follow trends, fashions or fads that sweep WASP/Protestant/Southern/Midwestern America. You see this in everything from haircuts to conversation topics.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @ATBOTL


    In general, they do not follow trends, fashions or fads that sweep WASP/Protestant/Southern/Midwestern America. You see this in everything from haircuts to conversation topics.
     
    Unfortunately their voting records, especially in MA, are about the same as SWPLs in Seattle, with the exception of Staten Island and maybe a few other places. And there are no more Daley/Rizzo Democrats since Richie Daley retired.
  180. @anon
    @Anon7


    Sure, Detroit has plenty of criminal activity; drive-by shootings, gas station robberies, senseless strafings of block parties, etc. But...
     
    No need to read further.

    Replies: @Anon7

    You were expecting maybe Wakanda?

  181. @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Your argument is redundant because American suburbs are the most boring and charmless places in the World. In fact, there is a popular expression, the "white picket fence life" typical of American suburbia to denote a boring, uninsteresting and charmless life.

    You compare American suburbia to Paris or Rome? Really? You think American suburbia compares to living next to the Champs-Élysées, and you compare the bland houses of American suburbia to the historical buildings of Paris? Or Rome? Or even Cologne:?

    American suburbia still loses compared to most cities of Europe and even some Latin cities like Buenos Aires. Yes, I would rather live in Buenos Aires or Curitiba than Chicago OR American suburbia. These cities are prettier, the murder rate is lower and they have much nicer weather - even though it does get chilly there in the Winter, but to a much lesser degree than American inner cities.

    American suburbia still loses. You are not arguing with reason, but with patriotic pride. That is not a good way to have a rational debate.

    Replies: @black sea, @Hibernian, @William Badwhite

    You are not arguing with reason, but with patriotic pride. That is not a good way to have a rational debate.

    It is difficult to have a “rational” debate on subjective matters. Some people like living in cities, some people prefer living in smaller towns. Suburbs are closer to smaller towns on the things people like about small towns.

    Next we can argue about what color is the best, green or blue.

  182. @Anon
    You're basically right about the Antifa being too scared to go there. Detroit lacks the white provocateurs. If blacks tried to loot Detroit black-owned businesses, they'd likely get shot. I am willing to bet that rate of gun ownership in Detroit is higher than that of Portland.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    “Detroit black-owned businesses”?

    All five of them?

  183. @J1234
    @Anonymous

    I think the antifa thing is revealing itself to be, more than anything else, another magnet for the mentally ill. Like homeless populations or tent cities...or, as you said, religious cults. These mental cases are more high functioning than the homeless, with a decidedly nonreligious millenarian focus. Since WW2 America society at large has lived with some degree of dread (or anticipation) of the cataclysmic, thanks largely to the Cold War. This fixation has worked it's way into just about every extreme political perspective or movement or cult from environmentalism to the prepper craze. And if the cataclysm never comes? Well, if you're mentally unstable, you create it yourself.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    Mentally ill, yes, from the thousand-yard stares in the booking photos, but pretty darned resourceful mentally ill. Everything from using leaf blowers to disperse tear gas to blinding law officers with those powerful green lasers.

    Where do these dudes know about leaf blowers besides watching immigrant landscaping workers. As a home owner maintaining my own yard, I know plenty about leaf blowers, but these guys? At least the “peasants with pitchforks” had them at hand to storm the castle because they actually did work with pitchforks. When did these guys ever do any honest work with a leaf blower?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Inquiring Mind

    There are almost certainly training classes led by leftists of a more practical bent than the average leftist. And they are "opposed" by sympathetic Mayors and the Police Chiefs they hire, and the cops the Chiefs hire.

    , @John Gruskos
    @Inquiring Mind

    Mossad trains Antifa.

  184. Detroit has a black police chief who once worked for the LAPD and claims to have learned the lesson there that rioting must be stopped immediately with overwhelming force. He appears on Tucker Carlson’s show occasionally to explain his policy.

  185. @Deckin
    @Brutusale

    I'm not sure where you get that. There's a very famous synagogue in SF (very close to Dianne Feinstein's home), but on the whole, when compared to LA the Jewish presence in SF is quite slight. The city was historically much more dominated by Italians in the latter half of the 20th century--Alioto, Barbagelata, Moscone--and their central vehicle for building wealth and power was real estate). After that, the Chinese, who had historically been backseat partners (led by Rose Pak), moved more to the front of the line. I've lived in it or its environs my whole life and I didn't meet any number of Jews until I went to Berkeley as an undergrad--and they were, to a one, all from LA.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Brutusale

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

    As Art Deco correctly stated, most Jews are in the Big Bagel (apologies to Taki) and its southern retirement home. Then there’s the educational center (Boston) and the governmental center (DC).

  186. @Stan d Mute
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    I disagree strongly with this, Lot. The olfactory high notes from the fresh piss overwhelm the fetid garbage base.
     
    You forget the stench of rotting fish in china town. It depends much on the neighborhood. Anyway it’s a unique experience in July/August on a hot humid day.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    You forget the stench of rotting fish in china town. It depends much on the neighborhood.

    Then overlaying it all is the ceaseless horn-blowing and other noise. “The mating call of the 3rd world”. There’s nothing like it.

  187. @ATBOTL
    @Kinda Salty


    Now, I live near the a large East Coast city and the white working class tends to be religious (lots of Irish and Italian Catholics) and lean right.
     
    "Ethnic" whites on the East Coast have a sense of detachment from American culture. They tend to not be so influenced by American media/religion/politics/mass culture. In general, they do not follow trends, fashions or fads that sweep WASP/Protestant/Southern/Midwestern America. You see this in everything from haircuts to conversation topics.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    In general, they do not follow trends, fashions or fads that sweep WASP/Protestant/Southern/Midwestern America. You see this in everything from haircuts to conversation topics.

    Unfortunately their voting records, especially in MA, are about the same as SWPLs in Seattle, with the exception of Staten Island and maybe a few other places. And there are no more Daley/Rizzo Democrats since Richie Daley retired.

  188. @Inquiring Mind
    @J1234

    Mentally ill, yes, from the thousand-yard stares in the booking photos, but pretty darned resourceful mentally ill. Everything from using leaf blowers to disperse tear gas to blinding law officers with those powerful green lasers.

    Where do these dudes know about leaf blowers besides watching immigrant landscaping workers. As a home owner maintaining my own yard, I know plenty about leaf blowers, but these guys? At least the "peasants with pitchforks" had them at hand to storm the castle because they actually did work with pitchforks. When did these guys ever do any honest work with a leaf blower?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @John Gruskos

    There are almost certainly training classes led by leftists of a more practical bent than the average leftist. And they are “opposed” by sympathetic Mayors and the Police Chiefs they hire, and the cops the Chiefs hire.

  189. @Inquiring Mind
    @J1234

    Mentally ill, yes, from the thousand-yard stares in the booking photos, but pretty darned resourceful mentally ill. Everything from using leaf blowers to disperse tear gas to blinding law officers with those powerful green lasers.

    Where do these dudes know about leaf blowers besides watching immigrant landscaping workers. As a home owner maintaining my own yard, I know plenty about leaf blowers, but these guys? At least the "peasants with pitchforks" had them at hand to storm the castle because they actually did work with pitchforks. When did these guys ever do any honest work with a leaf blower?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @John Gruskos

    Mossad trains Antifa.

  190. @Stan d Mute
    @glib


    What prompted me to post is the fact that Detroit is held up like it is the worst city in the US.
     
    It is. It has been consistently, for decades, been America’s “most violent city,” “murder capital,” or some combination thereof. No other city is as segregated, no other large city so poor and bombed-out as Detriot.

    I am betting that in the new miserable normal many places will fare worse. These people are getting used to each other, and the admin is light years from past admins.
     
    If your point is that Detriot, and it’s (mature adult) negro population, have achieved a kind of equilibrium whereby they somewhat acknowledge that they are entirely dependent on white folks and our extermination is perhaps not the best idea (much as many Africans have back home), then I agree. Detriot is the future for the majority of the readers in the rest of the country and the next 50 years will be much worse for them than for us. We’ve been thru the worst of it. I survived ‘67, a white infant in an orphanage a couple blocks from ground zero, suffering the after-effects for 50 years. Places like Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, and even Chicongo have a very long way to fall yet.

    Replies: @glib, @Dube

    I survived ‘67, a white infant in an orphanage a couple blocks from ground zero, suffering the after-effects for 50 years.

    The Felician Sisters Orphanage, on St. Aubin and Canfield?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Dube

    Crittenton at 12th & Tuxedo. They specialized in selling off us bastards as infants.

    Replies: @Dube

  191. Metro-Detroit native. Lived in Cincinnati 23 years. Back in the Mile Road grid for eight years. Observations upon my retutn:

    It seems there may be as many blacks living north of Eight Mile and west of Telegraph than who actually live in the city. I believe the 2008-09 collapse likely facilitated this.

    The suburban blacks enjoy police protection, decent schools, jobs, white girlfriends, warm neighbors, and general acculturation.

    The war is over. 1967 and the ensuing white flight happened a long time ago. Young whites and blacks mostly could care less. Most of the real racism on both sides is buried with our grandparents.

    The city of Detroit feels something like a lifeless Indian reservation that is difficult to ignore.

    Detroit’s “renaissance” is overrated, and corrupted by billionaires, etc.

    Maybe some of this explains how Detroit might differ from Portland.

  192. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes
    @Bert

    True what you say but the Pacific Northwest isn't Ann Arbor or Austin.

    The Northwest is home to some humbling natural features. Big mountains, deep water sailing, steep ski runs, dangerous back country skiing, alpine climbing that brings with it deaths on the glaciers every year, dangerous ocean kayaking, vast impenetrable forests of giant trees etc. etc.

    It's not a country to play at playing around in. You've got to take your play seriously. It weeds out the weak, the stupid and the incompetent.

    So there's an edge there that you don't get anywhere else in the lower 48. They may be social liberals but they're blue collar about outdoor recreation. Posers die. You've got to dress for survival every time you venture up in the mountains or out on the Sound. Water temp 54 degrees means hypothermia within half an hour.

    So, make fun of the Pacific Northwest, laugh at the gays on Capitol hill, but there are some serious, hard-core, outdoor athletes there.

    Replies: @anon, @anon

    I live in the NW and hike a lot and know some of the Left-wing activist/outdoors types you reference. I saw a hippie hiking on a very rocky mountain trail barefoot, and we were 3 miles up the side of the mountain. His feet were tough as boots.
    These guys are a combination of soy boy and Daniel Boone. There were more of them 20 years ago. Now not as much.

  193. @Dube
    @Stan d Mute

    I survived ‘67, a white infant in an orphanage a couple blocks from ground zero, suffering the after-effects for 50 years.

    The Felician Sisters Orphanage, on St. Aubin and Canfield?

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Crittenton at 12th & Tuxedo. They specialized in selling off us bastards as infants.

    • Replies: @Dube
    @Stan d Mute

    Crittenton at 12th & Tuxedo. They specialized in selling off us bastards as infants.

    And the National Crittenton Foundation is based in Portland, Oregon.

    Stan, this iSteve article needs to move off, but please keep up the Det-riot notes. Here's a book by an alum of your facility: I hope all you folks can network in support.

    https://www.howluckyuare.com/detroit-adoptees-born-relinquished/

    I have a very dear woman friend who gave her child for adoption under the usual terms of sealed identities. Decades later, in an act of intense need, she traveled in an out-of-body experience to locate her daughter. Can't do that every day.

  194. As someone who was born in Detroit, I would say your analysis is spot on! Detroit is STILL recovering from the 1967 riots. A small pocket of downtown Detroit has experienced some growth, but overall the city is a shell of its former self. There really isn’t a target of good stuff for rioters to hit in the city these days. Mostly just liquor stores, barber shops and fast food restaurants.

  195. Another variable that might be relevant when observing metro-Detroit:

    Public school districts are funded by the state -not local property taxes. The more students enrolled, the more revenue rec’d. Meanwhile, virtually all school districts across the entire state are losing enrollment. So, in order to maintain enrollment, many school districts offer open enrollment for non-residents. One outcome is lots of blacks enroll in the best school districts accessible. I’m not talking strictly inside I-696 and I-275. I’m also talking about Metro Parkway, M-59 and beyond.

    Anecdote: A couple of years ago, I watched Class A Quarterfinal boys basketball game at UDM. North Farmington vs Sterling Heights Stevenson. Both rosters were 50% black.

    There’s a lot of white/black integration across metro-Detroit.

  196. @Stan d Mute
    @Dube

    Crittenton at 12th & Tuxedo. They specialized in selling off us bastards as infants.

    Replies: @Dube

    Crittenton at 12th & Tuxedo. They specialized in selling off us bastards as infants.

    And the National Crittenton Foundation is based in Portland, Oregon.

    Stan, this iSteve article needs to move off, but please keep up the Det-riot notes. Here’s a book by an alum of your facility: I hope all you folks can network in support.

    https://www.howluckyuare.com/detroit-adoptees-born-relinquished/

    I have a very dear woman friend who gave her child for adoption under the usual terms of sealed identities. Decades later, in an act of intense need, she traveled in an out-of-body experience to locate her daughter. Can’t do that every day.

  197. @Steve Sailer
    @Thulean Friend

    Who are Antifa ethnically? Nobody seems to know.

    They don't seem very Jewish. There has been little Antifa rioting in heavily Jewish cities like Los Angeles.

    My guess is that Antifa tend to be descended from old Northern working class leftists, like the Wobblies. Lots of Wobblies were Finns. Joe Hill was a Swede.

    Replies: @Altai, @Patrick Sullivan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous, @Svigor, @anon, @Pop Warner, @Art Deco, @Kinda Salty, @Kinda Salty, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bardon Kaldian, @ATBOTL, @duncsbaby, @Jtgw

    Gus Hall, the perennial Communist presidential candidate, was Finnish.

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