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Killing a bunch of people in Norway doesn’t sound very Norwegian, but doing it with a bow and arrow doesn’t sound very non-Norwegian.

We now apparently have an answer to this conundrum. From the Daily Mail:

Danish bow-and-arrow attacker who killed five people and injured several more during terrifying 30-minute rampage through Norwegian town ‘is a Muslim convert known to police’

Five people killed and two wounded after man went on a half-hour rampage with a bow and arrow in Norway

37-year-old Danish man arrested by armed police half an hour after the attack began, with gunshots fired

Suspect is a convert to Islam, Norwegian broadcaster said, as investigators added that he is known to police

Man, who has not yet been named, had also ‘been in contact with the Norwegian health service several times’

By CHRIS PLEASANCE and ESPEN A EIK IN NORWAY and LAUREN LEWIS FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 02:53 EDT, 14 October 2021

 
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  1. Polistra says:

    Funny, the rest of the MSM is leaving out that tiny little detail. They’re a bit contorted trying to blame the event on guns.

  2. A “convert”? Meaning he is a cracker Norwegian who has lost his damn mind in rage?

    How can this happen?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/bykenarmstrong/status/1446505198516535297

    Imagine yourself being tormented by Africans for your entire life and castigated as “evil” should you ever object. As common as TelAviVision in Detriot. Apparently becoming more and more common in Tennessee and Norway.

    Welcome to my past. Thanks again for ignoring and/or laughing at me. I hope you all enjoy your Detriot-ification. Enjoy it long and hard.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  3. How come we don’t hear similar news about converts to Buddhism, Zoroastrianism or Taoism?

    Even Scientology and Wicca?

  4. Anon[676] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    There’s a nice example of woke journalism at the top of the Evening Standard website, a London free daily newspaper.

    Teenage Afghan refugee stabbed to death in Twickenham

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/twickenham-stabbing-london-richmond-upon-thames-school-craneford-way-b960251.html

    So, an Afghan refugee teen two years in the U.K. was was stabbed … by whom? Another Afghan refugee? A white Brexit-voting neo-Nazi? So far we don’t know, officially.

    The kid was an angel: “He was a very good person. Very caring and loved everyone. He didn’t hold any hate towards anybody.”

    Also, “He wasn’t the kind of guy to fight.” Except, “a number of witnesses who described seeing a fight in the moments before Hazrat was attacked.”

    “The murder happened in Richmond, one of London’s safest boroughs.” That is, safe until they brought in Afghan refugees to fight and murder each other. The magic dirt isn’t working.

    • Replies: @ATate
    , @Clyde
  5. So, inspired by one of these guys, rather than his countryman, Lars Andersen? Or perhaps both?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  6. Killing a bunch of people in Islamic ( and other ) states sounds very Islamist, but doing it with a bow and arrow doesn’t sound very Islamist.

    Sorted!

  7. El Dato says:

    I hope the suspect was also wearing chainmail for max factor.

    Semi-on-topic:

    It’s been 10 years! (and I still haven’t watched but Jen just looks good)

    It’s been 4 years (what?) and Aloy looks even better but who would have guessed that you can merge complex bow engineering and post-apocalyptic settings (but how does Aloy maintain all the ethnic stuff on her outfit in the middle of the Arizona desert? and she has no sun protection)

  8. For this guy, something tells me that it wasn’t his Moslemity that had him go nuts and kill and maim with a bow and arrows. Converting to Islam was just another symptom of this guy’s existing mental problems.

    As they say, “When bows and arrows are outlawed, only crazy Danish Moslem nutcases will have bows and arrows.”

    • Agree: Rob McX, SafeNow
    • LOL: Jim Christian
  9. El Dato says:

    Will this guy get Wojickied’ off the web?

    “Very powerful. Mwahahaha!”

    Hand-drill powered full auto bow technology!

    Why not try this in a school “practical engineering” course?

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  10. By giving out the detail below the [MORE] tag here, I am spoiling an excellent Lionel Shriver* novel and/or movie, but …

    .

    * She is the same author that wrote the excellent prepper novel The Mandibles. She wrote that one in ’16 about a future starting in ’29, and the American economy is not straying far from the path she described – PS has a 6-part review (only Part 5 has a real spoiler):
    Part 1
    Part 2
    Part 3
    Part 4
    Part 5
    Conclusion.

    I can’t give enough praise for this unlikely author – unlikely because she is a London and NYC – “based” lady who comes across as typical for someone “based” in these places. She just wrote a long article about her severe disappointment in the new Kung Flu-induced Totalitarian state of England, titled “The Most Frightened Nation” in City Journal.

    [MORE]

    … this incident reminds me of the final scene of We Need to Talk About Kevin. Peak Stupidity has a review of the book and a short note about the movie.

  11. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    I see things are getting back to normal.

    *Prediction: The guy will have a long history of mental illness and drug use, especially cannabis.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  12. Mr Mox says:

    Maybe this proves Sailer’s law, it certainly proves that a hit from a broadhead arrow is more lethal than that from a 9mm bullet.

    Hunting with a bow is illegal in both Norway and Sweden, but here in Denmark it has always been legal. For years bow hunting had “observation status” and required a marksman test, as well as a hunting permit – which required a clean rap sheet.

    Both Norwegian and Swedish bow hunters, who has passed the Danish examination, come here to hunt. I feel sorry for my Scandinavian fellow bow hunters. This dreadful incident will certainly be (mis)used as an example why ordinary people can’t be allowed to own evil weapons.

  13. Pericles says:

    On Swedish TV, we are told “motive remains unclear”.

    We have also been told the guy is a sort of muslim (“radicalized” at that), so I guess we’re beyond the Southpark meme now.

  14. OT

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58729508

    “Afghanistan: The New York rabbi evacuating desperate Afghans”

    The rabbi’s association says it has now assisted dozens of activists, judges, and others who either worked with the former Afghan government or as interpreters for British and US forces in the country.

    “Why is an Orthodox Jewish rabbi from Brooklyn helping Muslims in Afghanistan? The answer is very simple,” he says, “my parents and grandparents are all Holocaust survivors”.

    The rabbi, whose grandparents are from Hungary, says the horror his family faced when the Nazis swept across Europe during World War Two – and witnessing how events were unfolding in Afghanistan – meant that doing nothing was not an option.

    “Our parents were forced to run for their lives and they went through very similar pain,” he says.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @jinx2054
    , @Edmund
    , @Altai
  15. J.Ross says:

    A Muslim? Great, now we’ll never be able to find a motive.

  16. Mike Tre says:
    @Polistra

    Naming a Muslim in a news article about violence is as big a sin as depicting the prophet Mohammad in a drawing.

  17. So, will TSA start testing their checkpoints by slipping bows and arrows into carry-on bags? Will passengers know what to do while Mohammed is pulling out his bow and stringing the first arrow? How will schools police the scourge of students with concealed instruments of archery? Will we all need archery licenses, or will the sport simply be banned?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  18. @Achmed E. Newman

    From Ms Shriver’s article

    “According to an Ipsos MORI poll conducted in July, an impressive 27 percent of Britons want to impose a government-mandated nationwide curfew of 10 PM—not then in force—“until the pandemic was under control worldwide,” which might be years from now. A not-inconsiderable 19 percent would impose such a curfew “permanently, regardless of the risk from Covid-19.” Presumably, these are people who don’t get out much. While 64 percent want Britain’s mask mandate in shops and on public transport to remain a legal requirement for the duration of the global pandemic, an astounding 51 percent want to be masked by law, forever.

    There’s more: some 35 percent want to confine any Briton who returns from a foreign country, vaccinated or not, to a ten-day home quarantine—permanently, Covid or no Covid.”

    I wouldn’t take too much notice of such a poll. We didn’t have a curfew at any time, though if you have young, foolish, gadabout daughters the closure of nightclubs was joy and a blessing – no more lying awake at 3 am waiting for the door to open.

    It’s Australia that amazed me – real, police-enforced curfews, disgraceful assaults on anti-lockdown protesters – what happened to The Lucky Country? They (and New Zealand) have been in much harsher lockdown than the UK for nearly two years. New Zealand seems to be on the verge of accepting that indefinite lockdowns are no longer justified.

    Btw on my local High Street I picked up a free newspaper.

    https://thelightpaper.co.uk/

    It seems resistance is growing more organised.

  19. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    Barry from Four Lions:

  20. Ralph L says:

    I’m impressed that he did it with one arrow.

  21. JosephB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    To be fair, there are far more Muslims in the west than Buddhists, Zoroastrians, or Taoists. So hearing more reports about Muslims is to be expected. That said, they do punch above their weight.

    • Replies: @HA
  22. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    ” I, said the sparrow, with my little bow and arrow”.

  23. @El Dato

    Full auto, yes, but what about “bow rise” from crank recoil?

  24. bomag says:
    @Obstinate Cymric

    With guys like this around, there will soon be no place to where one can run. So, I guess all problems eventually get solved.

    • Agree: Polistra
  25. teo toon says:

    …he is known to police.

    Anonymous Conservative would perfectly understand that phenomenon.

  26. jinx2054 says:
    @Obstinate Cymric

    Can’t help it – so Muslims living in a Muslim country risk being holocausted by fellow Muslims, so for their safety’s sake, we need to pull together to move them to Itasca, Illinois, or Peoria maybe, as an alternative? To our racist country, where they will need constant government protection from the natives’ racist behavior….
    There we go! I will try to get it.

  27. @Anonymous

    How does converting to Islam intersect with drug use and mental illness? Do all three contribute to the insanity, or are they all coping mechanisms?

    Help me here, too: What’s the difference between being mentally ill and being extremely wicked?

  28. @Obstinate Cymric

    IF the MSM put the Islam factor in the article, then subsequent AI learning would make crazy murder and Islam associations.

    They also like to leave out the weed factor. We can’t have people linking pot to crazy violence! Think about my pot stocks and investments.

    • LOL: El Dato
  29. dearieme says:
    @stillCARealist

    Converting to Islam is like converting to Roman Catholicism back in the days, and places, when it would have given you carte blanche to murder Protestants. Cradle Catholics tended to be suspicious of such people. I wonder whether any Moslems share that discomfort? I don’t suppose they’d dare talk about it if they did.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  30. S Johnson says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    There may also be steroids/antidepressants/heavy marijuana ude involved, as there was with Anders Breivik and with most ethnically Muslim killers in Europe. Let’s wait and see what comes out.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Spect3r
  31. S Johnson says:
    @stillCARealist

    To do with rationality I should think. E.g. Stalin was extremely wicked, but his actions always had a rational purpose; keeping himself in power. Hitler was extremely wicked but by the end he was probably mentally ill as a result of the drugs cocktails his doctors were giving him.

    The 9/11 killers were rational; they wanted to provoke the US into Middle Eastern wars. The ethnic Muslim losers and deadbeats in Europe who almost never frequented mosques, who drank or smoked skunk all day and then went on a random rampage probably aren’t rational or trying to effect any particular purpose.

    • Replies: @S Johnson
  32. S Johnson says:
    @S Johnson

    However the general cultural milieu of Islam, especially in the ghettos of Europe, and failure of respectable Muslim leaders to disavow violence as a tactic, probably does help draw those losers and deadbeats into taking their aggression out on strangers rather than say, wife or child-beating, suicide.

  33. Cortes says:
    @El Dato

    Excellent!

    Here’s a “Back to the Future” take:

    • Replies: @El Dato
  34. @Polistra

    Was it a concealed bow and arrow?

  35. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist

    There are a lot of angry fanatics in the world, but hardly any of them commit murder. So angry fanaticism is a contributing but insufficient factor. Cannabis psychosis and the related bouts of insane violence are surprisingly common amongst heavy users.
    Put heavy drug use together with a religiously inspired excuse and you have your cause.

  36. Thirdtwin says:

    “Man who has not yet been named”

    We’ve been through that desert before. Is he a “Danish National” because he immigrated to Denmark from Syria? Is really really a “muslim convert”, or is that also a dodge?

  37. @J.Ross

    “A Muslim? Great, now we’ll never be able to find a motive.”

    The Guardian are on the case!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/14/norway-bow-and-arrow-attacks-what-we-know-so-far-about-kongsberg-killings

    “Details continue to emerge though the identity of the alleged attacker and any motive remain unknown

  38. @The Alarmist

    They probably wouldn’t find half of them anyway, Alarmist. It’s pretty tedious looking through people’s stuff on the screen all day. (Hint: put the bow inside a guitar.) Luckily it’s kind of hard to make take a good shot in an airplane with a bow, except for from one of the Business Class little cubicles.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  39. @stillCARealist

    What’s the difference between being mentally ill and being extremely wicked?

    My answer would be that the wicked can perceive and act on self interest.

    Or that’s the normie-friendly answer anyway, which of course depends on a consensus of what “self interest” is. The mentally ill believe they are acting in self interest too, but they perceive self interest differently than you or I would. So maybe the next-level definition is that the wicked can act in “objective self interest” or “self interest perceivable by others” (lawful evil vs. chaotic evil, lol).

    To get metaphysical for a moment, traditionally, mental illness was considered a form of demonic possession. So while the possessed person is not acting in his own self interest, he is acting in the interest of the possessor spirit. So the distinction between ill and wicked is not “interest” so much as “self”, i.e., whose interest is being acted in. (Theoretically, the possessing spirit need not be wicked, but by definition only a wicked spirit would possess one uninvited.)

  40. Off Topic.

    Tomorrow (Friday), Charles “Tex” Watson has a parole hearing. Watson was the main killer in the 1969 Tate-Labianca murders ordered by Charles Manson.

    Several weeks ago the California parole board granted parole to Sirhan Sirhan which was the subject of a lengthy thread at this forum.

    Newsom almost certainly will overturn Sirhan’s parole. I don’t think they will give Watson parole.

    The factors (old age, etc.) given to parole Sirhan would also apply to Watson. IMO neither should ever leave prison. Both Sirhan and Watson should have gone to the gas chamber.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @Undisclosed
  41. He looks kind of dumpy:

    Incel rage.

  42. @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, but I always fly business class or better, so I have a little more room to manouevre. It never occurred to me to weaponise my cello bow rather than to use the cello itself in the good ole Flying El Kabong.

  43. Edmund says:
    @Obstinate Cymric

    Makes sense.

    After all, who can forget the great evacuation of Jews to Afghanistan after the Holocaust?

  44. • LOL: Tex
  45. Anonymous[501] • Disclaimer says:

    A question you sometimes see debated is when was the bow and arrow invented.
    Obviously wood and string doesn’t seem to last that long but there are claims of stone arrow heads from South Africa allegedly dating back 60,000 years. Personally I am sceptical about how you could ascertain when a stone was chipped but perhaps you can.
    Australian aborigines didn’t have bow and arrows which suggests they were invented after the settlement of Australia…of course it’s possible that the original aboriginal settlers brought bows and then lost the use of them but it’s hard to see that happening on a continent wide basis.
    Bows *are* used in New Guinea, the author Michael Crichton wrote a piece about his sojourn in a village there and noted that bows were ubiquitous. Interestingly Crichton observed that his hosts used arrows that had neither arrowheads nor feathers/ fletching of any type … essentially they were sharpened sticks made from very tough local hardwood Crichton was very impressed by both the accuracy and penetration of these arrows so it’s entirely plausible that the original arrows would not have needed arrowheads. As such they would have left very little archaeological evidence.

  46. @Bardon Kaldian

    Don’t forget Rod Carew and Sammy Davis Jr., who remained men of peace even after converting to Judaism. Also Jackie Wilson, Scott Glenn and Jim Croce (who looked kind of Jewish to begin with)

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  47. @YetAnotherAnon

    They’re wrong about Canada (at least in British Columbia), life has been pretty much normal since the start of the pandemic with some exceptions (they didn’t allow any sitting inside restaurants for a few months). At one point they told us we weren’t allowed to have people over…which no one respected and was not enforced whatsoever. Even if they wanted to enforce it they wouldn’t be able to. At one point there were supposed to be checkpoints between areas of the province and the police came out and said they were not going to enforce it, and that was that.

    Now they’re requiring proof of vaccination for restaurants and movie theatres with a QR code, and yet I’ve been to a dozen places and no one has actually scanned mine, they only take a cursory glance and wave you in, which means one could easily photoshop one you find on google with your name, print it and get into everywhere no problem. I’ve also been on several flights and the only people who asked me about my vaccine were airline staff, not a peep from border guards, and again no scanning of the QR code. My vaccines were legit but it did make me chuckle to think I could’ve faked it and no one would’ve known.

    At no point have we been told we can’t leave or house or go anywhere and it’s frankly inconceivable they would, no one would care and it would never be enforced.

    It’s basically a joke of a dystopia where the government is too inept and uninterested to enforce everything. Australia and the UK have been a whole different matter.

  48. @Achmed E. Newman

    Shriver may live in NYC and London but she’s originally a southern gal, from North Carolina. Thankfully attending college in NY did not ruin her. She doesn’t need to write a new novel right now because The Mandibles is coming true more every day

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  49. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Cool video, especially the mechanical explanations. I would think that you should make it tripod mounted, maybe with some sort of drum feeder.

  50. @Achmed E. Newman

    That book is excellent, but the opposite of a page turner. Just slowly intensifying dread. Would you give that kid a crossbow? Talk about Chekhov’s gun.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  51. @Achmed E. Newman

    What a great story! Even better are the responses from the City Journal’s neocon readership, who predictably say things like “England would be great if they didn’t bring in all those Moslems and bad actors from shithole countries.”

    No–as I’ve always said, Britain is circling the drain because of its whites. People like Shriver who live there know this. Britain is the shithole country.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  52. LP5 says:

    “I hope the suspect was also wearing chainmail for max factor.”

    A Max Factor makeup reference could add some intersectional Pokemon points. Extra credit if designer chain mail. Do media cheer for one of their team or cover up and bury the story?

  53. nebulafox says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Because alienated losers at the bottom of the social scale in the West aren’t likely to convert to those religions. In Europe in particular, native Muslim converts tend to be pretty low human capital: i.e, they are attracted to radical Islam because they are in the cellar already, which further drives them down, not the other way around. If we lived in medieval Japan and the dregs of society were drifting toward the militant Buddhist leagues in vogue then and there instead, it’d be a different tale, but one that rhymes.

    (Outside the West, the human capital of Muslim converts is a bit more varied, depending on the country. But this still gives credence to the “it’s the people first, the institutions second” theory of sociology. Ethnic Chinese businessmen or doctors in Malaysia who nominally convert to marry an ethnic Malay woman are obviously far less likely to cause problems than a single, poor radicalized Indian male-the kind who’d otherwise end up with the RSS-being targeted by the ISI for recruitment.)

  54. nebulafox says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Funny if tangential story: in Turkey, every year on the anniversary of the Battle of Manzikert, people celebrate by gathering to do a bunch of archery and horse riding. Full medieval clothes and tents included.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Twinkie
  55. @YetAnotherAnon

    I had only read ~ 1/4 or less of the long article when I wrote my comment. Thanks for the info from England YAA. I know you are bonafide cause “organised”. ;-}

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  56. Currahee says:

    Bow violence is a serious threat which must be subject to federal regulation.

  57. JimDandy says:
    @Polistra

    Meanwhile, over in Loudoun County… any word on the race of the boy who wore a dress so he could go into the wrong bathrooms and anally rape little white girls?

    Didn’t think so.

  58. @nebulafox

    So the Turks only took over Turkey in the centuries following 1071 (Manzikert), just as Europeans only took over the Americas in the centuries after Columbus in 1492.

    I didn’t realise Galatian was a Celtic language.

    I wonder how many Turks are calling for Manzikert commemorations to be branded as “a celebration of genocide”?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Twinkie
    , @nebulafox
  59. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Well, now that the cat’s out of the bag, let me agree that’s the book is no action adventure, GoBN. However, after getting into it 50 pages, it would have been a can’t-put-down book for me, had it been less than 400 pages, to where I had to put it down to go to bed, to work, etc, over a couple of days.

    I’d say this – the Dad was really suckered by this kid to where he figured his love and attention would bring the kid around. The crossbow hobby was about the only thing the kid was good at and enjoyed(?), so …

    BTW, the movie was pretty true to the book. The Mom looked a lot like how I pictured her in book, but not the Dad.

    If you do happen to read my review, let me know what you agree or disagree with. As with this ’16 published novel, from one thing I read in the article I linked to, I see Miss Shriver is truly still under the impression that the New York Times is the be-all-to-end-all. Maybe she reads Steve Sailer posts. ;-}

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  60. Any country or state refusing to execute murderers is doomed.

  61. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ah, another Lionel Shriver fan! I could see even before this that you had it on the ball, but now I really do.

    I share your admiration for The Mandibles. I’ll put in a good word for Motion of the Body through Space, too. Haven’t read Kevin though, sounds like too much of a downer for me.

    The beginning of The Mandibles, before the shit really hits the fan, but when people are already suffering the indignities of exreme water rationing, is a good description of how our betters would like us to live.

    New Republic was a bit boring, and above all disappointing because I thought it was going to be political and it turned out to be about bohemians.

  62. @Steve Sailer

    I hope those words of praise from you don’t cost her her career.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  63. ATate says:
    @Anon

    Richmond?

    Just last week or so there was a Pro Cyclist out on a training ride who was attacked by 4 machete wielding “criminals” on motorcycles. He tried to outrun them but they apparently rammed him with one of the motorcycles and then took the (\$12,000) bike.

    Reading the comments all the brits were harrumphing “I ride through there all the T I M E” and menarching “It’s supposed to be a safe area”…no mention of the perps…

    Probably some Texans or other such deplorable’s on the prowl I’m sure.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Anonymous
  64. JimDandy says:
    @International Jew

    She seems to be uncancellable for some reason.

  65. Awesome.

  66. HA says:
    @JosephB

    “To be fair, there are far more Muslims in the west than Buddhists,”

    In the US, there are 3.45 million Muslims as of 4 years ago.

    The number of Buddhists? About 3 to 4 million.

    The US isn’t the entire west, but even so, I don’t think the “far more Muslims” argument is going to work.

    • Disagree: Catdog
  67. Altai says:
    @Obstinate Cymric

    The Israelis are being so kind to various European countries too. Think of the diversity and vibrancy they’re giving up. They even helped to smuggle them in secret, they didn’t even want credit!

    • LOL: El Dato
  68. Altai says:

    37-year-old Danish man

    So… it was still a maladjusted immigrant.

  69. El Dato says:
    @ATate

    As I said, if they sell you a 12K bike, they sure could throw in a Chiappa Rhino with a box of Black Talon hollowpoints as compliment. Just to keep jungle denizens at bay.

  70. El Dato says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    But White Man genocided them fair and square.

    If the boot had been on the other foot, does anybody think Aztec invasions would have been “Kumbaya in Europe”? Well, they would probably have genocided themselves with all the local bugs, like in “War of the Worlds”.

    Europe has seen it all, Huns and plagues and Romans and Swedes and crazy motherfucking religions from the Middle East, repeatedly.

    As the saying goes, “Deal with t!”

    Anyway it’s old history. Plus it helped delay global warming!

    Earth system impacts of the European arrival and Great Dying in the Americas after 1492

    Human impacts prior to the Industrial Revolution are not well constrained. We investigate whether the decline in global atmospheric CO^2 concentration by 7–10 ppm in the late 1500s and early 1600s which globally lowered surface air temperatures by 0.15°C, were generated by natural forcing or were a result of the large-scale depopulation of the Americas after European arrival, subsequent land use change and secondary succession.

    We quantitatively review the evidence for (i) the pre-Columbian population size, (ii) their per capita land use, (iii) the post-1492 population loss, (iv) the resulting carbon uptake of the abandoned anthropogenic landscapes, and then compare these to potential natural drivers of global carbon declines of 7–10 ppm. From 119 published regional population estimates we calculate a pre-1492 CE population of 60.5 million (interquartile range, IQR 44.8–78.2 million), utilizing 1.04 ha land per capita (IQR 0.98–1.11). European epidemics removed 90% (IQR 87–92%) of the indigenous population over the next century. This resulted in secondary succession of 55.8 Mha (IQR 39.0–78.4 Mha) of abandoned land, sequestering 7.4 Pg C (IQR 4.9–10.8 Pg C), equivalent to a decline in atmospheric CO^2 of 3.5 ppm (IQR 2.3–5.1 ppm CO2). Accounting for carbon cycle feedbacks plus LUC outside the Americas gives a total 5 ppm CO^2 additional uptake into the land surface in the 1500s compared to the 1400s, 47–67% of the atmospheric CO^2 decline. Furthermore, we show that the global carbon budget of the 1500s cannot be balanced until large-scale vegetation regeneration in the Americas is included.

    The Great Dying of the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas resulted in a human-driven global impact on the Earth System in the two centuries prior to the Industrial Revolution.

    How dare you!

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  71. anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    Also in the Daily Mail, another key ‘cultural’ story

    Asian-American lesbians in 3-woman shooting

    Off-duty NYPD Asian lesbian cop Yvonne Wu, 31, shot and wounded her ex-lover Jenni Li, and and shot and killed Li’s new lesbian lover Jamie Liang

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10090227/NYPD-officer-31-finds-girlfriend-bed-woman-shoots-killing-one.html

  72. Heritage/traditional citizens of OZ and UK should take note. For educational purposes only.

  73. @Stan d Mute

    No, he’s a fat bald Danish bloke. Calling him Norwegian is roughly on a par with calling Martin McGuinness a Brit. Or you, a Canadian.
    I don’t know which is worse.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
  74. @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon, does anyone ever convert and become Amish? Maybe the work load is too strenuous, but how often do Amish interact with law efforcement in a negative way? Oh, well some don’t want to hang a battery power lantern on their buggies, but what else?

  75. It was non-Norwegian but as the psycho was a Dane, it was Nordic.

  76. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATate

    The real thieves are whoever sold this guy a \$12,000 bike.

    Seriously, what can a \$12,000 bike do that a \$1,200 one can’t? I’m genuinely curious.

  77. @Mr Mox

    I don’t think he was using broadheads, pics show the usual flimsy carbonfibre training/target arrows with (sort of .22 size) cone heads.
    No Joe Gibbs, he.

    Ancient video quality makes it hard to tell, but I think Joe was chucking these about.

    https://www.thelongbowshop.com/collections/arrow-points/products/war-bodkin-arrow-point?variant=27633738569

    I just happened to have a bag of them in the shed, so I weighed ten; 169 grammes (handforged, so variable). Plus the much longer and thicker (ash or poplar?) stick, and so on.
    You wouldn’t want it in yer leg, eh? Do your own sums.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
  78. Kylie says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Excellent novel. Absolutely brilliant. I went so far as to buy a HB copy after reading it free online. Very dark but hilarious until, say, the last quarter.

  79. El Dato says:
    @dearieme

    I guess back then, if you weren’t Protestant, you were by default Roman Catholic.

    No need to “convert to” unless you were Jewish.

  80. Rob McX says:
    @David In TN

    Not alone did Watson not go to the gas chamber, but he has fathered four children during conjugal visits since he was imprisoned, with a woman he married when he was incarcerated for ten years. First remember what a psycho Watson is, and then think of what kind of crazy woman would want to marry him and have his children. Letting the two of them mate is genetic terrorism.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  81. I hope you’re well stocked on the coffee for your weekend duty of selecting shooters by stiffs v gimps.
    Chicago looks like half it’s cops will be suspended this weekend because of a protest against the City’s Kill-Shot policies.
    There’s a nice irony in the Kill-Shot leading to more shot and killed, (but less than if Chicago was in Oslo.)

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/10/14/chicago-police-union-to-defy-vaccine-mandate-and-dare-the-city-to-enforce-it-n1523907

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  82. @El Dato

    Is there a solution to the never-to-be-discussed chafed nipple problem for women archers?

  83. Twinkie says:
    @nebulafox

    Hilarious, considering that the Anatolian “Turks” of today likely derive most of their ancestry from the conquered, not the conquerors.

    Culture matters.

  84. @Mr Mox

    “Hunting with a bow is illegal in both Norway and Sweden, but here in Denmark it has always been legal.”

    My years in DK were spent in densely urban Aalborg and Copenhagen. I’ve traveled up and down Jutland: pleasant enough but not exactly teeming with wildlife. What kind of critters do Danes hunt? Or is it trips to the Faroes to put arrows in whales? My lovely wife did not become too worried when she caught me carving a gun from a potato. She knew what she was getting into when she married an American. I did meet a guy in Copenhagen, a city bus driver named Benny, who told me he could get a Czech 9mm, state issue from the Cold War days. Nice try, narc. I said.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
  85. Twinkie says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I didn’t realise Galatian was a Celtic language.

    The Galatians have an interesting (to me) history. They were a rampaging Celtic military power in the Balkans. They were then invited by Bithynians as mercenaries in a civil war and promptly began raping and pillaging across Asia Minor while Antiochus was away in Syria quelling challenges to his rule.

    Eventually Antiochus and his army confronted the Galatians outside Sardis. The Seleucid army was mostly composed of light troops and pretty much broke at the first charge of the heavily-armed Galatian cavalry and infantry (chariots are also mentioned), but Antiochus was able to save the day by deploying a few elephants he had, with which the Galatians were unfamiliar. The latter broke in terror and fled, being cut down in large numbers. The survivors were settled in the region that eventually became Galatia (and were routinely employed as mercenaries by Greeks and Romans).

    After the battle, as Antiochus was being celebrated for his great victory, he is said to have uttered, “Shame, men, shame. But for these sixteen beasts, where would we be today?”

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  86. Twinkie says:
    @JimDandy

    Meanwhile, over in Loudoun County… any word on the race of the boy who wore a dress so he could go into the wrong bathrooms and anally rape little white girls?

    What’s this? Do you have a link?

  87. @Stan Adams

    Private Pyle, or am I imagining things?

    • LOL: Escher
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  88. J.Ross says:

    OH NO, ADAM KINZINGBEAR IS GOING TO CRY!!!
    And DC cops are going to commit suicide more or less at the same time for no reason.

  89. Philip Neal says: • Website
    @International Jew

    I was sorry to see Lionel Shriver’s endorsement, albeit tepid, of Joe Biden in the (London) Spectator a few months ago, but deep down she has the Tom Wolfe Stuff. The economic disaster in The Mandibles begins under President Alvarado, the first Hispanic president (“press 1 for Spanish”) and towards the end of the first section, the Mandibles ask a minor character who is subjecting them to an act of dog-eat-dog amorality what sort of person he used to be: “I was a climate scientist!”

    • LOL: El Dato
  90. @El Dato

    if you want ‘attractive real world archer girl’ you can find one in Russia (where else?)

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  91. Dumbo says:

    Incel, mental problems, probably addict to drugs and porn, in that case perhaps the Muslim thing was just a later idea or an afterthought (that is, if the whole thing is not a hoax).

    On the other hand, when Whites converts to Islam, they usually appear to be people with previous mental problems, so there might be a correlation. I mean, look at Sinead O’Connor.

  92. @Known Fact

    I don’t know all these men, but, with one or two exceptions, they belong to the category I call (perhaps not too subtly) “pussy conversion”. When others convert to some kind of Christianity, especially Catholicism, it is mostly serious, and particularly for evangelical Protestants- very serious, including sometimes intense spiritual struggle (death-bed conversions like Buffalo Bill or John Wayne are yet another story).

    Judaism, particularly in the diaspora, is a peaceful religion.

    Serious Islamic converts fall, broadly, into two categories: intellectuals who convert to, basically, Sufism & have nothing to do with any type of violence (Martin Lings, Titus Burckhardt, Kabir Helminski,…) & fundamentalists who are, although not all, very susceptible to fanaticism leading to terrorism.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @prosa123
    , @John Johnson
  93. Here’s some background on the murders and the murderer:

    https://www.vg.no/spesial/2021/pil-og-bue-angrepet-i-kongsberg/
    https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/dnqqy1/forsvarer-om-kongsberg-siktede-forstaar-hva-han-har-gjort
    https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/0G3op0/barndomsvenn-varslet-politiet-om-siktede-i-2017-en-tikkende-bombe

    Crazy white guy, did apparently convert to Islam but he was crazy long before that. One Danish parent, apparently one Norwegian parent, born and raised in Norway.

  94. prosa123 says:

    Yesterday in Brooklyn an off-duty NYPD female officer came home early and found her lesbian girlfriend getting it on with another woman. She opened fire on them both, killing the third woman and seriously injuring her (presumably now ex-) girlfriend. All three were Chinese.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  95. Barnard says:
    @prosa123

    Had she not been a cop, is it safe to assume the shooting never would have happened? I doubt she would have owned a gun or ever learned how to shoot without being a diversity hire to the NYPD.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  96. The name of the perpetrator is Espen Andersen Bråthen (37 years old). White as a sheet and a Danish citizen, with Norwegian father and Danish mother.

    Converted to Islam in 2017, and has a “history” of substance abuse and a yet to be confirmed psychiatric disorder. Killed 5 inside or near a shopping center with bow and arrows and possibly also a knife. No report of any firearm being used.

    So, if the motive was related to Islam; that will now be “buried”, and soon to be excused and replaced with a psychiatric explanation. Nothing to see here folks, just move on…

  97. Gamecock says:

    Police say he is a Muslim convert who was flagged as radicalised

    How did that work out for you, Sven? Will he now be flagged for murder?

    I don’t know what “flagged” means, but it appears to mean “do nothing.”

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  98. Suspect is a convert to Islam, Norwegian broadcaster said, as investigators added that he is known to police

    “Known to police” suggests maybe the sort of individual who in the before time would have been dealt with by the community (tribe, village, town)–expulsion or execution.

    With bureaucratization we’ve lost quite a bit of “community freedom” to enforce civilized norms. Minoritarianism has, of course, turbo charged this civilizational destruction. (“Norms? What norms!)

  99. anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘coincidence’ … There is a popular film trailer showing in Scandinavia, for a new film shortly entering theatres in November

    ‘Vildmaend’ – ‘Wild Men’ is a ‘comedy’ about a Danish man named Martin, who retreats to Norway to live like his ancestors, carrying a bow and arrows as his weapons, and getting into conflicts … IMDB movie data page in English
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11328762/

    movie trailer, 2 minutes, main character Martin pointing his bow and arrow at others, English subtitles

  100. @JimDandy

    Meanwhile, over in Loudoun County… any word on the race of the boy who wore a dress so he could go into the wrong bathrooms and anally rape little white girls?

    Or of the crowd in Hawthorne, Cal. that beat a driver to death after he had driven through them? It’s pretty much a given that they weren’t white, or even “white-adjacent”, like Larry Elder.

  101. @Anonymous

    I’m genuinely curious.

    You’re not.

  102. @Bardon Kaldian

    Generally, White dudes who convert to Buddhism are just annoying. White dudes who convert to Islam can get really crazy.

  103. @Rob McX

    First remember what a psycho Watson is, and then think of what kind of crazy woman would want to marry him and have his children. Letting the two of them mate is genetic terrorism.

    I was going to point to Bill and Hillary as proof positive of your assertion, but then I remembered this:

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  104. @Anonymous

    The real thieves are whoever sold this guy a \$12,000 bike.

    Seriously, what can a \$12,000 bike do that a \$1,200 one can’t? I’m genuinely curious.

  105. @SafeNow

    That’s a pretty small screen. Can they get DoorDash or UberEats?

    • Replies: @James McLaren
  106. J.Ross says:

    Pete Buttiegieg has been a total failure and is probably largely responsible for the ports disaster, but it’s stupider than that: it is being claimed that he has been on paid leave since mid-August so he could be with his homosexual lover and their two “adopted” babies. So he hasn’t even felt the need to come in to work while his particular bailiwick was on fire and reported on every day. You’re going to have to miss Christmas but he can have an entire season as a vacation.

  107. Before he shot someone, did he shout “Allah Akbar” or “You failed this city.”?

  108. @Jack Armstrong

    That’s a pretty small screen.

    That’s why it’s referred to as a Penitentiary, sir.

    I’m curious as to their “rights” regarding conjugal visits.

  109. @SafeNow

    Looks like pretty much everyone’s life these days.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  110. JMcG says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thank you. What to make of the deathbed conversion of John von Neumann? I still find it surprising. He died at only 53.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  111. @David In TN

    Too late.

    The dude in prison now is an entirely different dude whom you’re making suffer because….?

    You may be aware that a 100 year old woman just went on trial in germany for being a part in the murder of tens of thousands of jews during the holocaust in a particular death camp.

    I oppose this trial. I think it is sick

    The young woman who existed 75 years ago should have been torn limb from limb.

    I take second seat to nobody in what I wish had been done to Germany in exchange for what they did to my grandparents.

    I believe it should have been occupied and broken up and colonized and turned into farmland while the language itself should have been verboten for 50 years. Deutschland should have been as overturned as Carthage.

    But it wasn’t. And of course it should not be now. (Or any time after the 1959).

    The woman who committed those murders did not pay for her sins and she never will because she no longer exists.

    A different woman exists 75 years later and persecuting her is cruel and a sign that Germany still has a love of “cleansing” that it needs to deal with.

    • Agree: Mr Mox
    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Almost Missouri
  112. @JimDandy

    Meanwhile, over in Loudoun County… any word on the race of the boy who wore a dress so he could go into the wrong bathrooms and anally rape little white girls?

    Thugs will thug.

    The maddening element here is the pompous and arrogant school board. “FU” is fair summary of their attitude. I really can’t understand the mentality of people who vote for these POS. But regardless, it’s classic unresponsive self-aggrandizing state power–exactly what the Founders tried to prevent.

    Republicans/conservatives should have brought in educational choice–vouchers–50 years ago. There wasn’t any doubt where this was going to go.

    We are separate peoples now and need separate nations. But until we get separate nations, at least we need separate schools. (Demand it as part of “build back better”.)

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @ziggurat
  113. @Gamecock

    I don’t know what “flagged” means, but it appears to mean “do nothing.”

    Unless you protest against the government, for instance on Capitol Hill. Then it means, “do everything to apprehend and convict this pre-criminal!”

  114. prosa123 says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Another deathbed conversion, non-religious Judaism –> Catholicism, was that of the famous scientist John von Neumann. During his final hospitalization in a military hospital only medical staff members with high-level security clearances were allowed to care for him, lest he blurt out secret information in his delirium.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  115. Mike Tre says:
    @Bill Jones

    This could be spun into: White cops not getting vaxxed is racist as now there will be less of them to deter negroes from killing each other this weekend. Each non vaxxed cop is literally Derick Chavin.

  116. JimDandy says:
    @AnotherDad

    I love these stupid white liberal broads who say how scared they are for their daughters–because the GOP might someday ban late-term abortion. They don’t give a fuck about their daughters–they would literally rather see their daughters anally raped at school than take a position they think might make them look unhip. Woke wine moms are the lowest form of life.

  117. @Inselaffen

    if you want ‘attractive real world archer girl’ you can find one in Russia (where else?)

    Japan

    • Replies: @El Dato
  118. @SafeNow

    You could rent that for \$2500 a month in Manhattan.

    • LOL: SafeNow
  119. @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘How come we don’t hear similar news about converts to Buddhism, Zoroastrianism or Taoism?’

    Well, Christians just shot and killed ‘at least six’ at a demonstration in Lebanon.

    Of course, they probably weren’t converts. Do they count?

  120. Seems like bow and arrows make for good comedy

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  121. @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, OT, but I had to reach out as I’ve never forgotten your contribution to the enormous 737 Maxx discussion a couple of years back. They’ve thrown one of the pilots involved in the MCAS fraud on Maxx lying to the FAA during airworthiness testing on that system., which cost two planes and 400 killed. The FAA folks that abdicated to corporate pilots should also be indicted because WHO could predict a corporate pilot would lie in favor of his corporate masters?

    And you say? I’d love for Ron or Steve to take this up once again.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  122. @El Dato

    You’re missing out. The entire Hunger Games series is totally brilliant — one of the best movies of the 21st century, and some of the best, smartest political satire around.

    Actually, considering that blobs like Stephen Colbert and John Oliver are what passes for satire, maybe Hunger Games is the ONLY intelligent political satire America has produced in years.

    And it’s not just J Lawrence (though she is outstanding), the entire cast is superb, Woody Harrelson in one of his best latter-day roles.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  123. Cortes says:
    @prosa123

    “Epstein didn’t kill himself!”

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  124. ziggurat says:
    @AnotherDad

    Republicans/conservatives should have brought in educational choice–vouchers–50 years ago. There wasn’t any doubt where this was going to go.

    We are separate peoples now and need separate nations. But until we get separate nations, at least we need separate schools. (Demand it as part of “build back better”.)

    I’m concerned that tax-payer funded vouchers would lead to requirements that private schools be more “inclusive” and less “racist”, which would defeat the whole purpose.

    They’re already thinking about the “problem”:

    It is also argued that voucher programs are often implemented without the necessary safeguards that prevent institutions from discriminating against marginalized communities. In the United States, as of 2016, there are currently no state laws that require voucher programs to not discriminate against marginalized communities. Further, while some voucher programs may explicitly be aimed at marginalized communities, this is not necessarily always the case. A common argument for school vouchers is that it allows for marginalized communities of color to be uplifted from poverty. Historically, however, data suggests that voucher programs have been used to further segregate Americans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_voucher

    But on the bright side, we could have vouchers that would just give parents money to home school. E.g., 10k per student, which is roughly how much is spent per student at a public school. Then, perhaps, learning pods could form where parents pool their 10k checks to form a learning pod of 10 students, which are taught by a few of the parents.

    In some countries, states or local jurisdictions, the voucher can be used to cover or reimburse home schooling expenses. In some countries, vouchers only exist for tuition at private schools.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_voucher#Opponents

  125. @Anonymous

    At the top end anything that can add a few seconds (less in sprints) is valuable, and the guy was a professional cyclist. I presume this bike was very light while still having rigidity.

    https://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/best-carbon-fibre-road-bikes-ps1099-ps11600-254002

    The more you spend, the better the quality of carbon used to make the frame. Typically higher modulus (stiffer) carbon is used in more expensive frames, which means less material is needed, so the frame weight can be reduced. That’s why there is such a range of prices on show in this article.

  126. El Dato says:
    @Undisclosed

    I believe it should have been occupied and broken up and colonized and turned into farmland while the language itself should have been verboten for 50 years. Deutschland should have been as overturned as Carthage.

    Are you Jewish?

    Are you aware that this makes Hitler the righteous and justified invader of the Soviet Union. (Well, one or the other would have invaded eventually, irrespective of what current Kremlin dogma currently is on this question)

    Here: https://mises.org/library/german-question much better than the Morgenthau plan

    The German Question by Wilhelm Röpke is the book that inspired the postwar economic reform in Germany — which Röpke himself did not believe had gone nearly far enough. It came out in 1945 in Switzerland, one year after Mises’s Omnipotent Government and Hayek’s Road to Serfdom. It is more sweeping than the former (in a policy sense) and more radical than the latter (in a policy sense).

    It is more than a plea to get rid of price controls. It is a call for wholesale moral, political, and economic reform, for in his view it was not enough to get rid of corrupt leadership but to completely purge the principle that the central state is in charge of the whole of society. A thorough de-Hitlerization would require dismantling the central state and restore the old city states, completely ending the monopoly on industry and education and medical care, and a restoration of sound money, not to mention free trade with the world.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  127. @Bill Jones

    Classical Greeks had similar concerns, and reached the (unevidenced) conclusion that “Amazon” steppe horse-archers indulged in radical unilateral mastectomy.
    Something you don’t see in the likes of Hunger Games and Brave.

  128. Mr Mox says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    He was born in Norway to a Danish mother and a Norwegian father and holds a Danish citizenship, but has lived in Norway his whole life (so far, anyway).

    He also holds a restraint order against both parents, having threatened to kill them both.

  129. Mr Mox says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    He may have used a mix of arrow heads – blunts and broadheads, but it would be hard to kill somebody with a blunt pointed arrow (conical or otherwise) – even with a head- or heart shot – especially when the victim will be in a modern emergency room a few minutes after the hit.

    A sharp broadhead will often kill, even with a marginal hit, due to excessive bleeding. A hit high in the thigh (or the ham on a deer) has a large chance of severing the femoral artery, and the victim will be a goner in a matter of minutes.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
  130. David says:
    @Bill Jones

    …from a- “without” + mazos, variant of mastos “breast;” hence the story that the Amazons cut or burned off one breast so they could draw bowstrings more efficiently.

    https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=amazon&utm_source=extension_submit

  131. Mr Mox says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Up until 2019 we were not allowed to hunt anything bigger than roe deer (about 30 lbs.) With the latest regulation of the national hunting act, we can now shoot fallow deer and red stag as well.

    As for Benny the Bus Driver; times were different back then. Handguns were not hard to come by if you knew the right people. If you had a clean slate (and a hunting permit) the police tended to look the other way.

    I once asked the local judge (for a friend, of course) what being caught with an unregistered handgun would mean. He suggested about a \$500 fine, depending on the circumstances.

    These days, just owing an unregistered handgun would land you a year in the slammer. Thanks a lot! Multi-ethnic society…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  132. Clyde says:
    @Anon

    Teenage Afghan refugee stabbed to death in Twickenham
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/twickenham-stabbing-london-richmond-upon-thames-school-craneford-way-b960251.html
    So, an Afghan refugee teen two years in the U.K. was was stabbed … by whom? Another Afghan refugee? A white Brexit-voting neo-Nazi? So far we don’t know, officially.

    You would over-think that this was a Muslim assailant. This just might be a black perpetrator, from the refugee class. Or parents immigrated aka scammed their way into the UK. A jealous black, jealous-envious that this Afghan was getting educated.

    His close friend Sahil Kochay said: ‘He was a very good person. Very caring and loved everyone. I wish I knew why someone would hurt him. He wasn’t the kind of guy to fight.’
    Hazrat Wali, 18, a student at Richmond Upon Thames College, was fatally wounded in a knife attack in Craneford Way, Twickenham.
    After being stabbed, Mr Wali, an Afghan refugee who is reported to have come to the UK two years ago…….
    Today a relative of Mr Wali described the teenager as a ‘very good boy’.
    The unnamed relative told the Evening Standard: ‘He came here to study, he was living all on his own in London. His immediate family are all back in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
  133. Clyde says:
    @Bill Jones

    Is there a solution to the never-to-be-discussed chafed nipple problem for women archers?

    Rugged sports bra. The kind that men transitioning to female weightlifters wear.

  134. @JMcG

    He technically converted when he married, but evidently he didn’t take it too seriously. On the other hand, he was very scared when he was dying, so that time- it was serious. Chanting penitentiary psalms, in Latin, in the presence of a Benedictine monk is something very, very significant.

    But, if judged by what we know by his confessors’ words- he hadn’t found peace, which eluded him to the end.

    On the other hand, a murderer like Wild Bill Longley, who converted while awaiting execution- Longley found peace.

    There is no justice in this world …

    • Replies: @JMcG
  135. @Buffalo Joe

    Bardon, does anyone ever convert and become Amish?

    Never heard of such a thing ….

  136. @Bardon Kaldian

    Probably because you can’t convert to zoroastrianism, even if your wife is zoroastrian. Well, I guess you can, but about half the temples will not accept you as legitimate. Zoroastrians need to start getting horizontal with each other if they don’t want to accept converts and don’t want to go extinct. Which shouldn’t be a problem, I’ve never met a zoroastrian girl who wasn’t jaw droppingly gorgeous.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  137. @Undisclosed

    Why 1959?

    And is it really Germany’s love of cleansing that drives trials like this? I mean, there’s a vast industry nowadays devoted to cleansing media, academic, governmental, and other spaces, and almost none of it is run by Germans.

  138. @Stan Adams

    Looks kind of dumpy.

    Excuse my noticing ™, but isn’t that a common body type in Denmark?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  139. Polistra says:
    @SafeNow

    My favorite item in evidence is the outerwear hanging on a hook. You know, in case he decides to go for a stroll or something.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  140. Polistra says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Wow, is this really true? I had no idea.

    Anyone care to corroborate?

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    , @J.Ross
  141. prosa123 says:

    Just in: a British Member of Parliament was assassinated by stabbing during a meeting with constituents.* He was David Amness, a member of the Conservative Party who had served since 1983 and was a strong Brexit advocate. The stabbing happened in Southend, southeast of London. Police have a suspect in custody but haven’t released his name or commented on any possible motives.

    * = these constituent meetings are called, oddly enough, “surgeries.”

  142. @Anonymous

    Horrible story. A few points in no particular order.

    1. It is a good thing that I do not own a gun, because if someone anally raped my daughter in a school bathroom, I would hunt them down and shoot them in the anus.

    2. It is pretty strange for a gender-confused boy rapist to be wearing a dress in school as even girls wear mostly pants.

    3. A rape could occur anywhere in a school, for instance a supplies closet, an empty classroom or office.

    4. In this school is the girl’s bathroom in an isolated building that is not within screaming range of other people?

    5. If that is the case, why don’t they have panic buttons in school bathrooms.

    6. Maybe they should have attendants present in high-school bathrooms to keep them clean and hand out toilet paper and paper towels and make sure that kids behave, don’t write graffiti, and that there is no more than one person in each cubicle.

    7. The Superintendent of Schools must have been lying, because the police could not possibly be coming onto school campus to take crime-scene photographs without his knowledge.

    8. The Superintendent of Schools must have been lying when saying that the predator did not exist, thus implying he was a figure of the imagination, as the predator had already been in trouble within the same school district and the Superintendent could not have been unaware of this.

    9. The whole point of having elected school boards is so that the members can be accountable to the parents of school students and taxpayers.

    10, We, the online people do not know and cannot know whether the daughter is a reliable witness, whether she is special needs, etc,. whether she had injuries as a result of the rape, what the forensic findings were. etc/

    11. Equally we cannot know if the boy involved is mentally ill, mentally retarded, or whatever.

    12. The irate father should not have been attacked by uniformed thugs at the school board meeting, however his way of addressing the issue was inappropriate. For example many lawyers offer “free” consultations to people who feel they have been wronged. A lawyer could have written to the School Board to address the matter and/or prepared a press release, whereas the father seemed to be out of his depth and perhaps did not know that one had to register in advance to speak at the school board meeting (perhaps so that board members could do their due diligence and respond appropriately.)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10093737/Father-daughter-raped-gender-fluid-bathroom-sues-Loudoun-County-Title-IX.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devils_of_Loudun

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  143. nebulafox says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Anatolia is an infinitely fascinating place from a historical POV: not a reminder of it goes by without me learning something cool. Of course, the saddest result of Manzikert was that it was the beginning of the end for a European civilization in Asia Minor that pioneered everything from literature to history to philosophy.

    That said, Manzikert was not a military disaster on the scale of Adrianople or the Yarmouk: it took some truly horrendous decisions from the Byzantine government to get the nomads entrenched in Anatolia. But even given this, Turkification took multiple centuries to occur, and thanks to the First Crusade, the Byzantines did recover the wealthy parts of Anatolia. They then managed to reestablish a presence on the plateau. It took a series of flubs (Myriokephelon) combined with sheer bad luck (John Komnenos dying at the worst time possible) and political instability (everything post-1180) to mess that project up.

    The problem with the Turks, unlike previous eastern invaders, was that the plateau of Anatolia was a lot like the Central Asian steppes where they came, so they ended up settling there. Didn’t help that the Byzantines, partly due to cultural snobbery, didn’t grasp their potential to form organized state independently of Baghdad until it was too late. (To be fair, this wasn’t an irrational judgement, given how the Pechenegs were eventually ground down, but the decision to invite Turkish mercenaries into the citadels to deal with the comparetively minor irritant of the rebellious Normans shows a level of disconnect to the sheer threat that… Oh wait, yeah, our elites being invested in the success of an ideologically hostile rival out of a mix of covering their asses and venality.)

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  144. @Polistra

    Anyone care to corroborate?

    Read the books when I was a kid but they apparently weren’t memorable. Tried a few of the movies but never finished them. Pass.

  145. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    I know I shouldn’t be surprised given how much NOVA has changed in the last few decades, but still, *Loudoun County*? I thought that was the kind of place where parents would ensure that… rape by freaks in dresses (sure, kid, be happy to give you a free of charge gender change if you get close to her…) wouldn’t be a thing. At risk of sounding obnoxious, too smart and rich and involved in their kid’s lives, whatever pieties blue voters voice for the plebs.

    Re, Turkey: yup. It’s ironic what cultural memory does to people. I am too lazy to go dig up the exact post and am in a hurry, but I believe the good Dr. Khan once alluded to Iraqi Republican Guards literally ****ting on their own history with Assyrian artifacts and whatnot. I wonder what the genetic admixture of Syrians, Palestinians, etc, look like, how much “former Roman citizen or subject” is in there.

    (And yeah, I’ve also found the Celtic invasion of the Balkans and Anatolia fascinating-its something I really wish I knew more about. There’s a similar episode in the 3rd Century AD when the Goths came calling. Dexippus even records the locals fortifying and fighting for Rome at a scenic mountain pass known for previous defensive attributes. 😉 )

  146. Sean says:

    Now it is the CIA and internet surveillance, but in the past most schizophrenic delusions were of a religious nature. He was arrested for threatening to kill his mother, and has multiple criminal convictions. Probably he has slow heartbeat (that marker for being very calm in conditions of risk often found in murderers). Broad face, like Anders Breivik. The only surprising thing about his background is he is of Danish ancestry.

  147. @El Dato

    Even if the Morgenthau plan had been supported by the west (it wasn’t as both FDR and Churchhill were against it) the Soviets wouldn’t have been so stupid since they knew how much they depended on Germany for industrial trade.

    The industrialization of the USSR was always half propaganda.

    They were still heavily dependent on trading agricultural products to Germany in exchange for industrial goods.

    Hitler wanted to empty vast regions of the Soviet Union for colonization but those Slavic peasants were already growing wheat that was going to Germany. The top Nazi economists didn’t support war with the Soviets for this reason. They thought Germany would be better off keeping the Soviets as a trade partner.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  148. @Mr Mox

    These days, just owing an unregistered handgun would land you a year in the slammer. Thanks a lot! Multi-ethnic society…

    In about 5 years anyone will be able to print a gun with a 3D printer.

    So British socialists and US Democrats will have to acknowledge that criminals can get guns if they want but everyone else needs to follow the rules.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Almost Missouri
  149. @Bardon Kaldian

    Judaism, particularly in the diaspora, is a peaceful religion.

    It’s also a religion that doesn’t welcome outsiders. They make it quite difficult to convert if you don’t marry in. In fact they will try to talk you out of it.

    Since Jews have been a minority during the disapora it shouldn’t be a surprise that they didn’t take up arms against their host countries. So I wouldn’t say it is inherently peaceful compared to Christianity when violence rarely made political sense for them. Compared to Islam it is peaceful but that is a low bar.

    Judaism should be viewed as a hybrid of ethnic identity and religion. Sikhism is similar in that regard. They aren’t like Christianity or Islam where anyone can readily convert.

  150. @GeologyAnon Mk 3

    True, I think it’s their fatal historical mistake. Similar to the Druze.

  151. @Achmed E. Newman

    I think we’ve all covered Shriver a few times on here, Mandibles and Kevin. I enjoyed Big Brother as well, and the tennis one. They’re all pretty good.

    Haven’t seen the movie, but I plan to. Mandibles would make a great movie IMO.

    Any novelist who wears a sombrero to give a speech condemning the concept of cultural appropriation is alright in my book.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  152. J.Ross says:
    @Polistra

    The twist is that the movie version is titled “Battle Royale.”

  153. J.Ross says:
    @John Johnson

    criminals can get guns if they want but everyone else needs to follow the rules.

    This is already the case, especially in maximally restrictive areas. Australian bikers make in garages and basements a kind of better BREN in industrial quantities and at respectable quality. And everyone knows about Mexico, Brazil, and France.

    Democrats will have to acknowledge

    [inappropriately intense Kamala laughter]

  154. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    My god, someone’s hacked Mason’s account.

    • LOL: JMcG
  155. SafeNow says:
    @Polistra

    Yes, the outerwear! Perhaps for a stroll over to the herring-buffet restaurant. Also there is the small refrigerator, so he can keep leftover herring and snacks fresh. I am envious, as a Californian, of the plumbing proficiency I see In the copper piping that drains the sink.

  156. @Inquiring Mind

    He doesn’t fit the typical Danish serial-killer profile:

    Nor does he resemble the prototypical Norwegian Viking:

    But he’s bloodthirsty all the same.

  157. @El Dato

    That’s almost as boring as Sumo or watching .Golf.

    • Disagree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
  158. @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t know about Buddhism or Taoism, but most arsonists are Zoroastrians at heart.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  159. @nebulafox

    The problem with the Turks, unlike previous eastern invaders, was that the plateau of Anatolia was a lot like the Central Asian steppes where they came [from], so they ended up settling there.

    How did it come about that the Turks ceded the eastern, steppe-like part of Anatolia to the Kurds, to whom they are so hostile?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Anonymous
  160. @John Johnson

    So British socialists and US Democrats will have to acknowledge that criminals can get guns if they want but everyone else needs to follow the rules.

    That’s their preferred outcome. And they won’t bother to acknowledge it, at least publicly.

  161. @John Johnson

    Even if the Morgenthau plan had been supported by the west (it wasn’t as both FDR and Churchhill were against it)

    Wellll … they may have been officially against it, but in practice the Morgenthau Plan more or less was the de facto postwar policy of the West toward conquered Germany. (See, e.g., https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/#p_1_29:17-56 )

    the Soviets wouldn’t have been so stupid since they knew how much they depended on Germany for industrial trade.

    But once Germany was conquered, the Soviets just hauled off every bit of German industry that they could carry, which turned out to be just about everything in reach. They also seized large swathes of the conquered populace—not just POWs—for slave labor in the USSR, some of it lasting into the 1960s.

    The industrialization of the USSR was always half propaganda.

    They were still heavily dependent on trading agricultural products to Germany in exchange for industrial goods.

    Yes, it turned out that just grabbing the machinery and warm bodies still didn’t quite add up to real industrialization. Sometimes ya gotta have talent too.

    Hitler wanted to empty vast regions of the Soviet Union for colonization but those Slavic peasants were already growing wheat that was going to Germany.

    Yes this was the dumbass move that probably lost Hitler the war. Bourgeois Germans weren’t going to do all that backbreaking field labor. Even at the height of German conquests in the USSR, they couldn’t find more than a handful of willing German colonists to settle the lebensraum from which the Nazis had displaced and killed millions. And of course the backlash turned out to be a bitch, once the German war machine’s momentum petered out.

    The top Nazi economists didn’t support war with the Soviets for this reason. They thought Germany would be better off keeping the Soviets as a trade partner.

    They were right. (Maybe the last time economists were right?) By the way, do you have a citation for that? (Not doubting, just asking for my own research.)

    The elephant in the room of any Soviet-Nazi dispute, though, is O-I-L. Indeed, oil is the leitmotif of the entire Second World War. All the Axis powers were desperately short of it. Most of the Allied powers were pretty well supplied. The exception, the swing producer, at least until 22 June 1941, was the USSR: loosely aligned with Germany via the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and supplying a big chunk of the Axis’s oil needs.

    If war between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany was geopolitically inevitable, and maybe it was, then okay, but the one military objective that was absolutely, undeniably, a do-or-die essential for Germany was GET THE OIL, which in 1941 meant the Northern Caucasus, where most Soviet oil came from. Yet Hitler prosecuted the invasion by expending a huge portion of his very limited resources to conquer vast swathes of worthless swamps and forests, while the truly critical Ukrainian southfront barely had parity with the geostrategically less important central and northern fronts. Meanwhile, Himmler’s wicked Sicherheitsdeinst turned millions of potential anti-communist allies into definite anti-German enemies or just plain dead bodies: perhaps military history’s most epic facepalm. In the end, the German reach for the Caucasian oil fields ended just like the German reach for so many other strategic objectives had, Paris in 1914, Moscow and Leningrad in 1941, Egypt’s Suez in 1942: tantalizingly close but not quite graspable.

    Anyhow, here we are 75 years and millions of deaths later, and maybe, just maybe, Germany and Russia are settling into a pragmatic, realistic, and peaceful relationship.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @JMcG
  162. @J.Ross

    That’s sort of a flippant assessment. The truth is, “Battle Royale” is just flat out exploitation, whereas the Hunger Games is that rare fusion of Hollywood bluster and actual cinematic art.

  163. @International Jew

    I’ve been off commenting for a bit, I.J., but I want to thank you for that compliment. Thank you for the recommendation too. The Motion of the Body through Space is on the way. (Funny, there’s a movie I saw long ago called “Bodies in Rest and Motion.) I don’t usually “follow” authors in any way, but Lionel Shriver is a big exception.

    I think the part in The Mandibles even after that initial shortage period is inevitable, no matter what the elites want, because they have screwed with the American dollar so badly. Mrs. Shriver does a great job with the economics, but (as per my review) either she or it’s just the characters, don’t really GET gold as money.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    , @J.Ross
  164. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Any novelist who wears a sombrero to give a speech condemning the concept of cultural appropriation is alright in my book.

    I didn’t know about this. Now, this is a lady I’d like to meet someday!

  165. @Jim Christian

    Jim, I read your RT link, but not enough to get the full story of what the guy lied about regarding required training. I have not followed much more of this. I’ll say this:

    – This 737 variant has been back flying a couple of airlines at least (United and SouthWest) for most of a year.

    – The problem with the aircraft in that particular flight regime was one thing, but the use of software and the aircraft trim (stabilizer) to correct it should have been done with:

    a) A much clearer annunciation that the MCAS system is operating.

    b) More rigorous training (as per what the latest findings are about).

    c) The requirement of 2 AOA vanes and electronics for ANY B-737 MAX sold to ANYONE set up such that both would indicate the angle of attack for this impending unstable condition before activation.

    As I wrote back then, American pilots (not the airline but the people) have had the system activate erroneously with no problem in taking care of it quickly – this was from my talking to 5 different SWA pilots. If I have a chance, I’ll try to have a conversation with pilots that fly this plane within a week or two about how it’s all going and what they think.

    Lastly, were Ron Unz to write about this, he would have nothing to say unless it was about Americans being at fault for everything wrong in the world. That’s who he is. As for iSteve here, this is not his field, except for the HBD issues involved both in who actually works for Boeing now, and how different nation’s pilots fly and are trained. (I could write more on the last thing.)

    • Thanks: Jim Christian
  166. @ginger bread man

    I immediately thought of this scene when I heard about this story. R.I.P Fred Willard

  167. @Almost Missouri

    The top Nazi economists didn’t support war with the Soviets for this reason. They thought Germany would be better off keeping the Soviets as a trade partner.

    They were right. (Maybe the last time economists were right?) By the way, do you have a citation for that? (Not doubting, just asking for my own research.)

    The German economists were right and in fact their skepticism was based on the occupied territories. The problem with Poland was that so much of it was destroyed in war and economic trade was lost. The Germans had to loot the country to make up for the loss and they used the same model in France. The economists calculated that the Soviet invasion would be a waste unless the country was left in tact which was impossible. There was also the problem of the rail gauge differences. The military had the same concern which is that they couldn’t run German trains on Soviet rail.

    Hitler actually had a lot of good economic policies before he went on the warpath. After the success of Poland and France he seemed to think they were unstoppable and didn’t care about what his economists or generals thought of Barbarossa.

    I think it was Speer’s memoirs where he discusses the economics of war. Not entirely positive though. Could have been some random article I read but I think it was originally from Speer. He had a lot of good insight on the inner workings of the Reich.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  168. Ed Case says:
    @Clyde

    25 y.o. Somali/British citizen stabbed Sir David Amess to death yesterday.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Amess

  169. Spect3r says:
    @S Johnson

    Sure, its because of the weed… you know how retarded you sound?
    Jesus!!!

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
  170. @John Johnson

    Sure, similar to Sikhs, Druze etc.

    Judaist Jews are not peaceful as such, which can be seen in their conflict with Palestinian Arabs.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Anonymous
  171. Old Prude says:
    @Mr Mox

    ” A hit high in the thigh (or the ham on a deer) has a large chance of severing the femoral artery, and the victim will be a goner in a matter of minutes.”

    Two week ago I made exactly the hit you described with a broad head. There was a substantial blood trail. A lot of blood. The game warden saw where I had hit the deer (a really poor shot, but it did the job). He expresses surprise the deer went down. “Must have hit an artery”

  172. Mr Mox says:
    @Spect3r

    Sure, its because of the weed… you know how retarded you sound?
    Jesus!!!

    “Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind.”

    …and then there’s this:

    Eighty percent of the adult males arrested for crimes in Sacramento, Calif., last year tested positive for at least one illegal drug. Marijuana was the most commonly detected drug, found in 54 percent of those arrested.

    https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24749413.html#storylink=cpy

    • Replies: @Spect3r
  173. @John Johnson

    “Judaism, particularly in the diaspora, is a peaceful religion. …Since Jews have been a minority during the diaspora it shouldn’t be a surprise that they didn’t take up arms against their host countries.”

    Yes it’s true: I guess since extortion, usury, slave-dealing, swindling, drug-trafficking, human trafficking, tax-farming and treason are all, you know, peaceful and victimless activities, I guess you could totes say that Judaism is like totally peaceful. At least they didn’t take up arms. Except of course for the many times they did.

  174. JMcG says:
    @Almost Missouri

    When people wonder why the Germans fought to the bitter end on the Western front, the Morgenthau plan is the answer. It was widely known in Germany by the end of the war.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  175. @Achmed E. Newman

    Everybody other than Achmed: beware, spoilers ahead.

    Motion is brutal on affirmative action. As you’ll see…

    Thanks for reminding me about that revolting home robber’s career. Of course “climate science” takes a hit pretty early on when we learn that New York City’s climate has become Maine-like.

    On the “great renunciation”, I agree with you that brutal measures lie ahead, for dealing with the US national debt.

    Gold? I’m not sure what you mean. Gold is what saves the Mandibles’ collective ass, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  176. @International Jew

    Wait, I don’t get the “home robber’s career” part, I.J.

    As for gold, yeah, the Aunt did a nice job with that, and it was a cool secret during the book that I never figured out. My Part 5 of the review, the one with the big SPOILER section, has this bit from the old codger in the US of Nevada:

    “Don’t tell me,” Willing said. “You’re on the gold standard.”

    “Ain’t you quick! Before we cut loose, the Free State produced the majority of American gold anyways. But supply of continentals is real restricted. Learned out lesson from the thirties. Everybody round here pretty much agree that on the face of it the gold standard’s dumb. Arbitrary, the governor calls it. Not much to do with the stuff but wear it around your neck. Can’t eat it. But for currency it works. Even if we don’t quite know why. One continental buy you a whiskbroom today? One continental buy you a whiskbroom tomorrow. So it’s not that dumb.”

    She (or the codger) doesn’t QUITE get it. “Can’t eat it?” Sure, old codger, why don’t you try eating some digits in a bank account or some bit-coin? Zerohedge commenters used to always make fun of that “can’t eat it” BS.

    I can’t wait to receive and read the Motion book!

    • Replies: @International Jew
  177. Spect3r says:
    @Mr Mox

    I dont know what you learned, but i was taught that 3 marks, being 3 exclamation marks, 3 interrogation marks, or a mix of both was of proper use.
    But English is not my first language, so maybe I was taught wrongly.

    Now, regarding your %.
    First, most heavy drug users will also consume less heavy drugs, so the fact that 52% of them had thc in their system is of no surprise.
    Secondly, you are trying to imply that the crimes were committed because they were high and that’s ridiculous.

    You can be in favor or against weed, but please, do not twist the numbers and facts to fit with your ideas.

  178. J.Ross says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Lots of different factors creating artificial shortages right now.
    –Nobody wants to work.
    –Ports are saddled with bizarre new regulations which guarantee the current holding patterns (which in turn generate brainless new laws like Orange County’s, making it even harder to be a modern nation).
    –Bidenflation itself and
    –Biden sabotaging American energy independence — the same truck route now costs significantly more.
    –Farmers are culling and wasting as a result of lack of carriers. A tweet from a person claiming to be a sort of trashatarian anarchist claims to have liberated 80,000 perfectly good chicken eggs which were on their way to the bin despite a late November expiration date.
    –Not a thing here, but elsewhere, including some American cities, lockdown restrictions reduce customer demand.
    An anon in the chans says this is the Klaus Schwab Club showing everyone they can turn the economy off at will (at will is surely wrong, the smoothest rollout takes months of totalitarian coordination), and asserts that that one boneheaded captain who plugged the Suez Canal was a “trial run.”

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  179. nebulafox says:
    @Almost Missouri

    To the best my knowledge, the Kurds have been there since classical antiquity, fighting for everybody against everybody. (Saladin was a Kurd, for example, as were prominent Khurramite rebels the Byzantines encountered. I vaguely recall Kurds being on late antique Roman and Sassanid payrolls before that.) Up there in those mountains, hybrid identities were easy to develop in an age before ethnic nationalism was a thing.

  180. nebulafox says:
    @JMcG

    It was nowhere near as effective as the Russians. All the evidence needed for that is found in the tens of thousands people who quite literally froze to death trying to escape Silesia after Gauleiter Hanke (a hypocritical Nazi asslick even on hypocritical Nazi asslick standards) lifted his ban on evacuation.

    Breslau’s death throes managed to go on longer than the fall of Berlin.

  181. nebulafox says:
    @John Johnson

    Judaism only became peaceful after the Romans attempted to wipe out the religion, and to a lesser extent the race wholesale after one revolt too many. It underwent a complete theological overhaul in exile in the comparatively tolerant Persian empire.

    “Hadrian, may his bones be crushed!”

  182. nebulafox says:
    @El Dato

    It does amuse me when people try to portray the Aztecs as proto-hippies: they were the indigenous American version of the Normans, in origin story, resourceful ability, and utterly cold, ruthless imperialistic drive alike.

    (In general, from my experience, American Indians tend to be pretty proud of their martial history: there is a reason the military tends to be the standard path out of the reservation for those who want a better life. The 1970s white liberal view of them couldn’t be more off base.)

  183. nebulafox says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Israeli Jews != American Jews. To put it mildly. Same deal for more recent migrants from the USSR, where assimilation into Russian culture skyrocketed after WWII for a number of reasons, ranging from heavy handed (and eventually explicitly anti-Semitic) Soviet official policy to the Nazis wiping out the old Pale for good.

    (There are some misfit ethnocentric American Jews who have in previous decades migrated to the West Bank to go play cowboy with the Palestinians serving as resident Indians. From what my father alluded to, the Israelis look at them as lunatics.)

  184. raga10 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Converting to Islam was just another symptom of this guy’s existing mental problems.

    Converting to Islam is always a symptom of mental problems. While I can cut some slack for someone who was born into this shitty religion and never knew anything else, I reserve special wrath for Westerners who convert!

    … but ….

    Killing a bunch of people in Norway doesn’t sound very Norwegian

    … to be fair, Anders Breivik was as Norwegian as they come.

  185. nebulafox says:

    Awww… Come on. It’s not as if most Christian churches these days endorse a good picture for young American men. And what if it is for love for somebody who you own everything to? Some one who believed in you when no one else did, yourself included? As long as you honor God… a unitary God who deserves honor…

    Buchanan had a point. In the end, it ain’t the Muslim who endorses little freaks who rape teenage girls in bathrooms, it is good, white American liberals. If we oppose Globohomo at home, why seek to impose it on the Islamic World? Why not stand with Islam, and against the Beltway’s closet pederasts and corrupt HR cruel lady endorsing failsons?

  186. Cortes says:

    Could the bowman be related to Ivan Dobsky, I wonder:

  187. Alden says:

    A few days ago Sir Richard Ames British MP was murdered by a Muslim Halib in his local constituency office. Amazing the British press and government hasn’t covered up the murder . As per usual when native White British are murdered by Muslims

  188. @John Johnson

    I read Speer’s memoirs a few years back but I don’t remember that particular part. Agree that Speer is a valuable historical source. Since he was something of an autist, he tends to focus on facts, numbers, details, and logic in a way that is rare in a historical field now rife with hysteria and hyperbole.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  189. @Old Prude

    At least with Ballet you can close your eyes if you’re sick of watching the gay men in leotards and just listen to the music. Swan Lake for instance, has that incredibly haunting Tsaikovski melody that was used the early horror films like the Mummy in 1931.

  190. @Joe Paluka

    “with Ballet you can close your eyes if you’re sick of watching the gay men in leotards”

    PRO TIP: You’re not supposed to be watching the men. They are furniture.

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
  191. @Achmed E. Newman

    The guy who turns them out of their house tells them he used to be a climate modeller. For some reason I thought you said that yourself up-thread, though it seems you did not.

    She expresses what I’d call a grudging admiration for a gold standard. Which would place her near the average opinion among academic economists, which is that a gold standard is inferior to a well-managed fiat currency, but superior to a badly-managed one. The question of course is, How bad does “bad” have to be?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  192. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Ok, go into a gay bar and shout to them, all of you gays are furniture, I’m sure you’ll have a few offering for you to sit on them.

  193. nebulafox says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Of course, he lied his ass off about the degree of his complicity in slave labor and his attendance at the Posen Conference. It’s more than a bit rich that his own subordinate, Sauckel, swinged, or that an insignificant flunky like Funk got life, and he got 20 years.

    That said, I did find Speer’s character analysis of Hitler deeply insightful. For that alone, the book is worth a read.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  194. @International Jew

    Oh, no, I did not remember that funny bit, I.J. I guess I didn’t even when writing my 6-part review – too bad! Re the gold, I suppose the old codger is supposed to represent Mrs. Shriver’s view, but the quote from him is a bit confused – and I see I must have introduced a couple of typos too, dang it.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  195. @Achmed E. Newman

    Though the word anarchotyranny doesn’t appear anywhere in the book, Shriver is clearly on top of the concept: in her future world basic policing has withered away while the IRS has grown cancerously. The most chilling scene in the book, IMO, was the raid where those two agents rip up and upend everything in Florence’s house.

    Anarchotyranny is also the answer to the question of why the US has sunk to such deep poverty. Mere autarky (due to the Bancor/Dollar thing) can’t account for it. The US did very little international trade in the 1950s and 1960s (5% of GDP?) yet we were a rich country. Poverty comes on the heals of the anarchotyranny. The anarchy makes retail untenable (too much robbery) while the tyranny (specifically the confiscatory taxation) deters entrepreneurship.

  196. Dmitry says:

    The father of the alleged Islamist terrorist who has killed a United Kingdom member of parliament, is son of former top aide to Somali PM. (Although the house in the photo does not seem quite to be a London palace you would expect from developing country politicians)*.

    https://news.sky.com/story/sir-david-amess-murder-terror-suspect-accused-of-killing-mp-is-son-of-former-top-aide-to-somali-pm-12436198

    This example, could remind of the situation in some Arab regions where Islamic terrorists are emerging from more prestigious families than average people. Although I cannot find the link now, I remember reading a study about suicide bombers in Israel, that the analysis of the data indicated they on average originated from comparatively more elite local families than expected from random sample in the general population. (I also recall Breivik, although from a non-rich family, was son of a diplomat – so his father could have been considered as having a somewhat prestigious government job, at least in non-pecuniary ways).

    *Houses on his street are only UK £2,000000 (\$3 million), which is not a fashionable area of London prices. https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/17/mp-murder-suspect-lives-on-street-with-2000000-houses-and-celeb-neighbours-15436194/

    Presumably with such finances, this family are only on the lowest level of Somalian politicians.

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  197. Philip Neal says: • Website
    @Dmitry

    @steve

    I hope you will follow this story. The murder took place around mid-day on Friday, so official information will only come in the course of the coming week. Sky News and other news sites which employ actual reporters “understand” (i.e. they have only got one source for the story) that the suspect was Ali Harbi Ali, son of Harbi Kullane Ali. Note the name Ali, a Shiite favourite. My guess is that Ali Ali Ali is not a Sunni extremist but the son of an important man in his own country who could not accept that nobody outside Somalia had heard of his father and that he would be nobody if he ever went home.

  198. @nebulafox

    he lied his ass off about the degree of his complicity in slave labor

    How do you know? I ask because much of the case the was subjective: “this is what was in his awareness” type of thing.

    In his memoir, Speer admits to meeting some slave laborers and learning something of their condition. This is also the main count he was convicted on and served a long sentence for, which he said he accepted as just. Which is probably more than I would have said in his shoes, as it was well known that the Allies, especially the Soviet Union, were using slave labor before, during and after war, yet there were zero convictions of Allied leaders for such crimes against humanity. Indeed, pretty much everything Axis leaders were convicted for, some Allied leaders did and often were continuing to do even as the trials were prosecuted.

    I can accept that victors’ justice is a thing. I just prefer it be done honestly: you’re convicted because we won! It’s the smug hypocrisy that rankles so.

    As I said in another thread: Brennus may have been a hard man, but at least he had the dignity of honesty, which is more than can be said for … well, pretty much anything nowadays.

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  199. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Turks and Kurds had good relations in the imperial era. (Many of the ‘Turks’ who killed Armenians in WWI were in fact Kurds.) The problems between the two began when the Turks adopted Turkish nationalism as their ruling ideology.

  200. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    IIRC, the argument made in the controversial article by Mearsheimer and Walt is that American Jews are much more belligerent than Israeli Jews, and are continually coercing the Israeli government into taking a harder line than it would like. There is apparently much irritation in Israel over this warmongering by people who live thousands of miles away and will not suffer the consequences of the policies they advocate.

  201. nebulafox says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Posen: Himmler directly addresses him at the end of the speech, and Speer admitted the truth of his knowledge of the genocide in a 1971 letter. He couldn’t have not known. Auschwitz was in Upper Silesia, which was a massive steel and coal production area (this was why Germany and Poland fought for the ethnically mixed region after WWII). Many of the subcamps, like Monowitz, were also meant to help provide synthetic materials for the war effort, which Speer would have been heavily involved in his capacity as armaments minister. Labor from Auschwitz was essential with all the local workers conscripted into the army.

    I’m not quite as hung up about that as the slave labor, though, because there wasn’t really anything Speer could do to stop the Holocaust. But slave labor: as Minister of Armaments, he had more leverage. Why was he, the man who pioneered the construction of Mittelbau-Dora, the man who demanded as many laborers as possible, given 20 years when Sauckel, who was acting on his orders, sentenced to hang? It just doesn’t strike me as consistent.

    I do think Speer’s willingness to admit culpability in the crimes of Nazi Germany was a crucial part of why he got off with a relatively light sentence compared to Sauckel. But I believe Speer was bright enough to realize that was what the judges were desperately looking for. I’m not saying his regret in later years was *necessarily* insincere, either: the two are not mutually exclusive.

    It helped that Speer was urbane, cultured, multilingual, educated, and charming. Just compare his experience to Streicher, who was everything Speer wasn’t. He was given death without hesitation, like stomping on a worm, yet compared to Speer, he was small fry indeed. He wasn’t even an official of any kind after 1940, so it would have been ridiculous (as even the judges admitted) to call him a conspirator against peace.

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  202. @nebulafox

    Thanks. I’m still a little unclear on the Speer admission though. Himmler spoke to Speer after a speech in Posen and Speer wrote about it in a 1971 letter?

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  203. nebulafox says:
    @Almost Missouri

    In late 1943, Heinrich Himmler gave a couple of speeches in the old West Prussian town of Posen (now Poznan, Poland) to the leadership of the SS and the Nazi Party/state apparatus, respectively. In them, among other things, he explicitly addresses the ongoing genocide of the Jews in terms that preclude any possibility of ignorance afterwards on the part of the attendees. Remember, Speer’s supposed ignorance of the Holocaust was a key part of his Nuremberg defense.

    During the latter speech, toward the end, he talks about how some people in the government of German occupied Poland and within the armaments ministry were obstructing the SS by claiming that local Jews were working in arms factories for the war. IIRC, he said:

    “Of course, this had nothing to do with you, Party Comrade Speer. It wasn’t your doing. It is through this supposed armaments factories that Party Comrade Speer and I intend to go through in the following months.”

    Speer claimed that he was absent for that part of the speech, but in 1971, he admitted in a letter to a former Western resistance member that this was untrue. But that Himmler addressed Speer directly by name should have made the claim dubious anyhow.

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