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Over at Marginal Revolution, Tyler Cowen has been on a kick lately about how our culture has gotten more feminized over the decades. He quotes a percipient 1990s observer Kathryn Robinson:

Hang around the zeitgeist long enough and a pattern will emerge. You flip on the TV and there’s a young woman announcing that Eagle Hardware is her social life. Change the station and see the newest Nike ad: no more the command to Just Do It, but now a ringing paean to self-esteem: I Can. Maybe another station will be broadcasting OlympicGames human-interest stories; maybe the winning American wrestler will be weeping lavishly.

… You log on to the Internet where designer Donna Karan reports that the top fashion trends are not wide lapels or sheer skirts, but “Compassion. Caring. Embracing.” …

You wonder when we all became female.

If you cast a critical eye backward, you will see that it’s happened over the last three decades, in a shift as gradual and inevitable as the changing tide, surging over everything from business, education, and religion to politics, fashion, and interpersonal relations. One of the great cultural revolutions of our time, it’s also been as invisible as the air we breathe, shifting the default position of our behavior to “feminine” as imperceptibly as our evolution toward light eating, self-empowerment, and public intimacy…

My impression is that WASP America had been headed in a feminist direction, as seen by 1919’s passage of women’s suffrage and prohibition. But prohibition proved so unpopular with America’s hard-drinking rising artistic/critical/entertainment elite (e.g., Hemingway, Mencken, W.C. Fields, etc etc) and especially among new immigrant groups targeted by WASP feminism, that feminism fell out of fashion for 50 years.

Meanwhile, however, the rise of media paid for by advertising, such as radio and television soap operas, began to extend female tastes and values from the lesser reaches of the media.

I started working in marketing research in 1982. Women had been the main target of television advertising for decades because females spend more money at retail than males do (often spending it on their male loved ones). In an advertising driven world, this fundamental logic tends over time to revolutionize social attitudes in the direction of those that appeal most to moms who control the family shopping.

The spread of cable television in the later 20th Century might have slowed this trend toward our culture coming to be dominated by women’s tastes due to women spending more money than men spend. Subscription-driven HBO, the most prestigious cable channel, for example, was very much a guy’s channel (e.g., boxing, The Sopranos), other than Sex and the City.

I sued to watch an HBO sports satire sitcom called Arliss that never got very good ratings. It was modeled on The Larry Sanders Show in which celebrity actors played themselves as guests on Gary Shandling’s fictional talk show. One problem with Arliss was that real life jocks aren’t as good at playing themselves as are real life actors. But the sit-com parts were a funny satire on 1990s big money sports.

But every year when the head of HBO was about to cancel Arliss due to low ratings, he’d get flooded on his private number with threats from his fellow media industry alpha males like Tom Brokaw that they’d cancel their subscriptions if he canceled Arliss. So it limped along for years. If Arliss premiered in 2021, of course, it would be taken off the air midway through the first episode and replaced with a Robin DiAngelo training film.

But then the rise of advertising-driven Internet media (e.g., Facebook) in this century renewed the trend toward a female-oriented media environment.

On the other hand, as paywalls have gone up on the Internet, returning the subscription model, this has had a less liberatory impact on the media world because by now virtually every media business has hired huge numbers of poorly paid young women. This wouldn’t be so bad except that the rise of sexual harassment allegations as Sacred Writ from the time of Anita Hill has empowered virtually every young or ex-young woman who worked at a media outlet or political office to threaten to blackmail male bosses with #MeToo allegations. In our Neo-Victorian mindset, if a older alpha male has ever responded to more than one young woman workers’ preening and flirting in his flustering presence with a leer (without eventually putting a ring on it), he can have his career canceled. And because most men in power in media and politics are a man like any other man, only more so, practically every media firm

This gives youngish women huge amounts of power over media organizations to blackmail them into, say, running Let’s-Talk-About-My-Hair ruminations and the like.

 
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  1. I sued to watch an HBO sports satire sitcom called Arliss that never got very good ratings.

    Seems pretty extreme to take HBO to court over watching a TV show. How did that all work out?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    It's a seldom-used, and confusing, expression. It means he was whining and complaining about it, not filing legal documents.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    , @Warner
    @anon

    I think it's a typo for 'used.'

  2. We have actually reached a point where a prototypical 14 Year Old Girl (with a dusky hue) is now societies Standard of Identity.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Mark in BC

    Anno tried to warn us

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RHL4eTwYaY

    Replies: @Mandrill with a hand drill

    , @Corvinus
    @Mark in BC

    “We have actually reached a point where a prototypical 14 Year Old Girl (with a dusky hue) is now societies Standard of Identity.“

    More like certain groups are now decidedly present on multi media. Blame Generation Z for that trend.

  3. Feminized ? More like emasculated.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  4. Has any prominent man’s career been ruined because he leered at someone?

    • Thanks: Bill
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like a loaded question. Do you take issue with Steve's opinion that #Metoo has become an absurd witch hunt?

    , @40 Lashes Less One
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Chris Matthews seems like he did less than leer.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Pissedoffalese
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Al Franken? I detest the guy on other grounds, but that stupid picture was just a gag, same thing that was always acceptable from comedians until everybody got the vapors. He may have done other things, too. I don't recall.

    What would the wokies say of Benny Hill today? That guy was funny. Franken was not, but he wasn't any different than anyone else within American alleged comedy.

    Replies: @(((They))) Live, @J.Ross, @JohnnyWalker123, @gandydancer

    , @Neuday
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Garrison Keillor.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JohnnyWalker123

  5. Speaking of #MeToo, Steve, what do you make of Aubrey de Grey’s situation?

    At least Aubrey, beneath his nerdy exterior, is unmistakably masculine and heterosexual, and he has apparently enjoyed some success in attracting women. I’d much rather that he be the wizardly face of transhumanism than someone like that creepy Martin Rothblatt with his transgender fetish.

    You’d think by now men in Silicon Valley would have learned to avoid halfway pretty girls who show up and feign interest in their “disruptive” projects, like Aubrey’s Strategies for Engineering Negligible Senescence, because these women are probably adventuresses on the make, like the two who coordinated their attack on Aubrey.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @advancedatheist

    Or, perhaps in addition to being an oily conman, he's also a creepy pervert.

  6. …that feminism fell out of fashion for 50 years.

    Florence King attributed this to the suffragists having won. The ERA failed, at least on paper, and this led to decades of rage.

    …the rise of sexual harassment allegations as Sacred Writ from the time of Anita Hill

    …but not Paula Jones. Funny how that works.

    Ann Douglas was on to this decades ago. From Goodreads’ description of her 1977 book:

    This modern classic by one of our leading scholars seeks to explain the values prevalent in today’s mass culture by tracing them back to their roots in the Victorian era. As religion lost its hold on the public mind, clergymen and educated women, powerless and insignificant in the society of the time, together exerted a profound effect on the only areas open to their influence: the arts and literature. Women wrote books that idealized the very qualities that kept them powerless: timidity, piety, and a disdain for competition. Sentimental values that permeated popular literature continue to influence modern culture, preoccupied as it is with glamour, banal melodrama, and mindless consumption.

    The Feminization of American Culture
    by Ann Douglas

    She doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Reg Cæsar

    "She doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page."

    Funny how that works.

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    White women were convinced, in large part, to not just abjure, but to utterly abstain from the single most important feature of their existence (arguably their only purpose in existence). White men were convinced to respect and support this abdication of reproductive responsibility.

    The only question that matters, at all, is who did this convincing?

    Someday we might have time and inclination for investigation into the weaknesses that allow the aforementioned convincing, but not if we are extinct.

  7. You flip on the TV

    No I don’t.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: donut
  8. Sports journalist Ethan Strauss recently quit his day job and started up on substack. He’s a good liberal from the Bay, but seems to be predisposed to certain strands of Thought Crime. He recently had a take on the Nike stuff: link

    • Thanks: Cato
    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @anon

    I keep hearing about how Substack has allowed non-totally woke journalists an opportunity to make a living, but isn't it just a matter of time before Substack starts canceling people? I suspect that someone like Steve Sailer wouldn't last long on Substack. I hope I'm wrong.

    , @Waylon Sisko
    @anon

    Very interesting article about Nike, thanks! --it captures what I think is a very common phenomenon, reaching out to a potential audience but alienating the base in the process. It's why ESPN has made the game damn near unwatchable for those who actually care about the game, why networks like AMC have morphed into versions of TBS, and a big reason why the GOP has been such a big disappointment for those who actually support its stated platform.

    Those that really do "dance with what brung 'em" stand out as the exceptions, such as Turner Classic Movies. One reason I adore the movie Master & Commander is because Weir knew his audience, made a movie for them, and made ZERO efforts trying to pander to other audiences.

    , @Corvinus
    @anon

    More likely is today’s male jocks remain masculine and rugged, but not on the way that the older generation prefers. It’s a different expression. Blame Generation Z.

  9. The really toxic brew is having minoritarianism–rather than a healthy nationalism/civilizationalism/traditionalism–as your dominant ideology, so female compliance/status seeking reinforces parrots that while throwing in misplaced (childless/low-fertility) feminine nurturing and emotionalism.

    You end up with “dead baby on the beach … we must do something!”, “they’re keeping them in cages!!!” and the classic “refugees welcome”. And Social media just provides a super-hen-circle to make it worse.

    Women’s concerns, interests and “mental approach” simply aren’t what a healthy nations’ political life looks like.

    Women–especially young women–were a lot more emotionally healthy when the day started with a few hours of milking the cows, gathering the eggs, getting breakfast ready before getting on to the rest of the day’s work. (Men emotionally healthier with physical farm work as well.)

    But it’s an open question how well any culture can manage modernity–all the technological innovations that have dramatically reduced work and cut mortality–and still have sane sensible females in a relatively low-fertility (even at replacement) environment.

    The West has failed. The Chinese may do better–maybe.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @AnotherDad

    Women aren't a minority.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Tono Bungay
    @AnotherDad

    In an essay available online, Joseph Sobran wrote similarly: "There are two possible basic attitudes toward social reality. One of these, as I say, has many names, but I will call, it, for convenience, Nativism: a prejudice in favor of the native, the normal, and so forth, reaching an extreme in lynchings and pogroms. Its most ghastly form was German National Socialism. The other attitude I am forced, for lack of a better word--or any word at all--to call Alienism: a prejudice in favor of the alien, the marginal, the dispossesed, the eccentric, reaching an extreme in the attempt to "build a new society" by destroying the basic institutions of the native. The most terrible fulfillment of this principle is Communism." ----- http://www.wildwestcycle.com/f_pensees.htm

    , @James J O'Meara
    @AnotherDad

    "Women–especially young women–were a lot more emotionally healthy when the day started with a few hours of milking the cows, gathering the eggs, getting breakfast ready before getting on to the rest of the day’s work. (Men emotionally healthier with physical farm work as well.)"

    True. Even solitary city dweller Schopenhauer recommended (and unlike some of his advice, actually did it himself) starting the day with a cold bath (or in our world, shower) and a two-three mile walk, in any weather. He acknowledged that the Stoics knew as much as well.

    Weltgeist, who produces excellent little YT vids of Schopenhauer's writings, had this just last week:

    https://youtu.be/nVWJz-uPgVo

    , @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    They have too much time on their hands, simply put, to validate and reinforce their own emotional cascading.

    Think of all the women who started the original "girl power" organizations 100 plus years ago. Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Technite78
    @AnotherDad

    "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop" is a bit of valuable old school wisdom.

    People who fill their lives with productive efforts are likely to be happy and healthy.

    People who fill their lives with useless pursuits or excessive leisure are likely to be unhappy and unhealthy.

    Modern technology coupled with central bank over-stimulus is creating a lot of unhappy and unhealthy people.

  10. I wouldn’t mind so much, if there was just one refuge – sports’ commentary – but, no, they’re relentless, inexorable.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Henry's Cat

    "We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! " -- Howard Beale

  11. Aubrey De Grey is one of the most famous anti-aging researchers in the world.

    • Thanks: Morris Applebaum IV
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Jesus Christ I'm ten years older than that weirdo, and I have better skin, less rheumy eyes and a load more hair than that. He looks like a terminal wino.
    And all I've ever done is drink, hoor and work in the rain for all that time. While eating cheap garbage.

    What's his real name,eh?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @S. Anonyia
    @JohnnyWalker123

    For an anti-aging researcher he looks very haggard. There is probably some truth to whatever is being alleged against him; anyone with a Rasputin beard is bound to be off their rocker in some way. It’s the middle-aged male equivalent of a young woman with pink/purple hair. Sign of a personality disorder.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

  12. • Replies: @Feryl
    @Coemgen

    1980 is also when female high Ed attendance reached parity with men. 1980 is also when researchers began to detect declining testosterone levels in males.

    You could make an argument that The West hasn't really changed all that much worse over the last 40 years, but rather, has seen many negative trends just get worse:

    -inequality (most visible in the now massive homeless population)
    -obesity levels/more sedentary lifestyles
    -tech innovation focused on bread and circuses (social media, smart phones, high def TV)
    -falling standards of propriety (more swearing, unflattering fashion trends, more loud and unpleasant speaking voices)
    -uppity minorities (according to traditional numbers and representation) gaining cultural dominance

    Due to an aging population, outright crime is not as bad as it was in the 70's and 80's (the rise in crime began when 1940's births became adults in the 60's, and ended in the mid-1990's when the last born Boomers reached their 30's). Whites are now so old that invariably the much younger black and Hispanic population dominates crime (that being said, the scale of the late 80's/90's baby boom still isn't comparable to the baby boom of the 1940's-mid 1960's, so we don't have quite the youth-quake of the 1960's-1980's. I sometimes wonder if the nostalgia of those decades is based on the fact that youth cultural dominance is much more vibrant than other periods where the age structure tilted more towards the middle aged and elderly).

  13. One aspect of this of course, is the vilification of testosterone as a rage inducing, violence enabling, Satan worshiping and artwork thieving hormone over the same amount of time if not longer.

    Steve himself falls into this trap sometimes, and many commenters here falsely associate the minimally higher levels of T in negroes as compared to Caucasians, to their maximally higher rates of violence and debauchery. Steve somehow also manages to draw the conclusion that men with high T want to become women the most, as if no other factors are to be considered.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Mike Tre

    Studies show that testosterone is only bad for you if you are white. Blacks produce a testosterone-detoxification enzyme (junglefeverase) that transforms testosterone into lady attractor pheromones by methylation.

    Replies: @Goddard

  14. The sexual harassment allegation thereat is indeed an example of almost unlimited, capricious power that women have in the workplace. For the home life, for the married man at least, there is the threat of Family Law and CPS.

    I can’t blame any man for staying away from marriage right now. The best advice, “choose wisely”, doesn’t always guarantee good results. As far as the media goes, Anon-#266 put it simply – don’t participate as a consumer. Don’t participate as a producer unless you are on your own like iSteve here.

    Not to worry – it’s all gonna come to a head when the financial STHF happens. I don’t want to say I’m looking forward to that, but I will enjoy a number of aspects of it, I gotta admit …

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Meanwhile, Acchie, I've been to four weddings the last two years with two coming up next year. All of em 25-30 or so, all MIT/Harvard/Boston U educated. Not one wedded couple a step up the ladder for one or the other, the highly paid and educated only marry each other. I'm sure there's an anthropological story there, a story of a weird form of 'inbreeding' of a sort, more complicated than Idiocracy. Strange nobody marries up or down anymore. Women never marry down but you rarely see it in the men anymore either. Not in my lofty circles anyway.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Forbes
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One thought of the SHTF...

    Apocalyptic prognostications always arise, but what unfolds?

    In 1987, Wall Street brokers in NYC held parties celebrating Dow Jones index milestones, e.g. surpassing 2,000 or 2,100 as if New Year's Eve occurred several times a year. I attended one at the old Palladium to mark the crossing of 2,100, meanwhile the Dow had crossed 2,300 by the night of the event. Needless, the market famously crashed in October, but was still up for the year at Dec 31.

    The Tech bubble ('95-'00) is when Fed Chair Greenspan invoked his famous phrase "irrational exuberance" in December '96, yet the reckoning (down 78%) didn't occur for some time ('01-'02).

    The recovery from the dotcom bubble to the '08 GFC (global financial crisis) or the housing and mortgage finance crisis (epitomized by "The Big Short" movie based on the Michael Lewis book) was fueled by the government's ZIRP (zero interest rate policy), or ultra-low interest rates resulting in malinvestment and market distortions due to suppressed/manipulated interest rates.

    The ultra-low rates that spurred the GFC have been repeated, and then some, resulting in ~$15 trillion of fixed income securities trading at a negative yield. And now the specter of galloping inflation due to government fiscal stimulus raises its head--by sticking its hand in your wallet to fleece you.

    There will be tears.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @epebble
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The sexual harassment allegation thereat is indeed an example of almost unlimited, capricious power that women have in the workplace.

    Talking of which, Ms. Elizabeth Holmes of the Theranos fame is advancing PTSD defense due to IPA (Intimate Partner Abuse).

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21050910-elizabth-holmes-motion

    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/28/1031961327/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-trial-boyfriend-balwani-emotional-sexual-abuse

    , @AnotherDad
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Not to worry – it’s all gonna come to a head when the financial STHF happens. I don’t want to say I’m looking forward to that, but I will enjoy a number of aspects of it, I gotta admit …
     
    This is nonsense, and folks on the right--conservatives/nationalists/traditionalists--should stop using it as cope.

    The US dollar is the world's premier reserve currency. So we can money print with less dramatic effect than most. What happens is that changes? Serious inflation.

    Ultimately what could people do with their dollars? Buy stuff in the US. Mostly it would be assets. US companies, housing, farm land. Housing will get more expensive, and we'll all be poorer. (Another priority of a nationalist government should be banning property sales to foreigners.) But foreigners will also by more stuff as well--some industrial stuff that we're still good at. And US commodities. We'd be even more competitive in grains than we are already. Those prices--along with commodities in general--spike. So US farmland would be valuable--which is why lots of people are buying it. And again, we'll pay more for our food and be poorer.

    On the demographic side, we're already locked into slumping toward being sort of a high-end Latino nation. The Chinese--if they deal with some of their own demographic/eugenic issues--would presumably wrest the technological lead from us. But the US will continue to have competent white and now some Asian guys to keep the trains running, the planes flying, the lights on.

    No, sorry there is no SHTF crisis to "resolve the contradictions" or whatever. There is just a long slow decline. And if we don't want to slump down that decline we must fight and win--or separate--now.

    Nothing will save us, but us.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  15. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:

    and especially among new immigrant groups targeted by WASP feminism

    Hey Steve, what’s your hang up with Americans of English descent? They founded this country, you know, and are about as pure non-tribal “citizenists” as they come. “WASP” is a racial slur. Is your keyboard broken and unable to type “English,” “Anglo-Saxons,” and “core Americans”?

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Steve's just an agitprop cuck with a massive inferiority complex towards WASP males. Feminism is a New American (Asian, Jewish, Irish, Slavic, Italian) phenomenon that expanded as WASPSl influence declined. This frightens Steve because he himself is, after all, a New American adopted by WASP parents, and exhibits the same New American tendency to blame WASPS for New American behavior.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @David Davenport
    @Anonymous

    Hey Steve, what’s your hang up with Americans of English descent? They founded this country, you know, and are about as pure non-tribal “citizenists” as they come. “WASP” is a racial slur.

    Steve's Catholic, so he's not a WASP.

    , @Coemgen
    @Anonymous


    Hey Steve, what’s your hang up with Americans of English descent?
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers
  16. Zman has posted about the Gynochracy for quite some time, and in far more honest terms than Cowen or Sailer could manage.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @3g4me


    Zman has posted about the Gynochracy for quite some time, and in far more honest terms than Cowen or Sailer could manage.
     
    Zman? Anglin has probably used the most honest terms hasn’t he?

    Replies: @Blodgie, @3g4me

  17. We need to introduce “toxic femininity” as a concept in the national dialogue.
    Every female virtue has its corresponding vice that is toxic.
    Women are conformist (the bad side of being cooperative) – this is evident in cancel culture.
    As conformists they undervalue debate, dissent, and rational thinking.
    Women tend toward blame, resentment, and scolding.
    Women prefer poison to guns when committing murder, including the plotting and sneakiness that go with poisoning.
    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news. It can also be quite bad, keeping the emphasis on character assassination instead of discussing issues.
    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos. In politics this means microaggressions and hair issues take on outsized importance.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @rebel yell


    We need to introduce “toxic femininity” as a concept in the national dialogue.
     
    We don’t need any new words or expressions, merely the courage to use the ones that we already have. I’d offer some examples, but then my comment would be whimmed and the point unmade.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @rebel yell


    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos.
     
    That isn't what bathos means, but the rest of you comment wasn't bad.

    Replies: @rebel yell

    , @anon
    @rebel yell

    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news.

    Nah.

    , @Mike Tre
    @rebel yell

    Perhaps another example of the feminization of our culture is how much more men seem to gossip nowadays. At my shop, full of "union men" as it were, I can sometimes barely get in the door before I'm being brought up to speed about the latest dust up or incident or whatever. It's also kind of surreal to see middle to late aged biker guys, wrench turners, outdoorsmen, etc, all browsing their facebook pages at 5 in the morning.

    Interesting aside, to gaze upon my fellow teamsters, one would not get the impression that they are an especially healthy group. Many are missing teeth, more than one are missing the tip of a finger, many are heavy drinkers and smokers, many are overweight, hard of hearing, have limps and or bad backs. We are all exposed daily to airborn particles that contain carcinogens, with nothing but the company mandated face diapers (that no one wears) to protect us.

    Some of you might be shocked to hear this, but none of these prime targets for the deadly and relentless corona covid SARS 19 beer flu have died, or even been hospitalized. Only 3 have actually claimed to have had it (they were forced to be off two full weeks - no pay). 18 months of this bullshit.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @rebel yell

    Well stated. Haidt has discussed the problem with female bullying via character attacks, though his focus has been on teenage girls and social media. There’s an obvious connection to societal trends at large.

    In the Current Year we definitely have a greater problem with toxic femininity than toxic masculinity. There’s not even much, if any, cultural masculinity left to steer society. Maybe in Victorian times. But the Great Awokening is clearly feminine in nature. It’s driven and enforced via feminine traits such as conformity, ostracism and pathological altruism.

    Pathological altruism my be the key overlooked feminine trait driving the current nonsense. It’s rooted in our ‘care’ instinct, which is clearly feminine. All of these traits exist in both sexes and by extension society at large but need balance because they have the potential to drive cultural trends in ways that can be destructive. Both men and women can be violent, just as both men and women can care for small children. But it’s also obvious that physical violence is clearly masculine while caring/nurturing is clearly feminine.

    You don’t want an overly militaristic or punitive society (toxic masculinity). But you also don’t want any overly ‘caring/nurturing’ society where we shut down the economy because we’re scared of a virus that has an infection fatality rate of less than 1%; where we don’t have the political will to turn away migrants hostile and dangerous to our civilization; where we allow mentally ill homeless people to take over public parks (LA, Seattle, SF et al); where we don’t prosecute criminals. In sum, we do not want a society governed by ‘feels’ which is the defining and most dangerous aspect of toxic femininity.

    , @Ian M.
    @rebel yell


    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news.
     
    Right, that just is what the news is: high-status gossip.

    So instead of our gossip being localized and regarded as a vice as it mostly was before the age of mass media, we've nationalized it and elevated it to a virtue: the news is something every man of good breeding is expected to to be fluent in. But gossip is still a sin even when it's sophisticated and done by well-coiffed Harvard-educated journalists exuding their nauseating faux-gravitas.
    , @Ian M.
    @rebel yell

    Conformism is generally a good thing: societies couldn't function without it. In healthy societies, women conform to traditional community mores and play an indispensable role in maintaining community norms. (In many past societies, before liberalism's triumph was complete and Western societies were either governed by a more traditional ethos or where a traditional ethos still maintained a foothold, women often tended to be more politically conservative than men).

    It becomes bad when society is ruled by a perverse, anti-human ideology, such as ours is. Then women conform to and uphold anti-human society-destroying norms.

    Re: 'toxic femininity'. Femininity is a good thing when it's found in women, just as masculinity is a good thing when found in men. I think giving it a negative connotation as in the phrase 'toxic femininity' will only serve to destroy whatever remaining femininity there exists in modern women, just as masculinity has been all but eradicated in modern man.

  18. Many females have become masculinized. Deep, fry voice, lack of sensitivity, compassion, support and other cuddly qualities. Certainly no pleated skirt and knee socks like when I was in school. Sorry. Meanwhile, white males have become feminized. I saw a TV commercial the other day in which one of the characters was actually a white guy!! But they felt obliged to give him a cat. He was cradling a cat in his arms.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SafeNow

    I saw numerous studies indicating that white males are the most desired race of men in America by women of virtually every ethnic group and race, and also the least likely to be single. They're the most likely to be cast in leading roles in movies, and also most likely to star in interracial pornotraphy (which skews white male/nonwhite female).

  19. The role of Boomer and older Generation-X male executives simply living longer – in some cases a LOT longer – then they used to as well as the invention of Viagra – now VERY inexpensive (i.e., these older divorced dudes can actually have non-humiliating sex with their nubile young employees) has not been talked about as much as it should (or at all).

    I think there’s a major correlation there.

    • Replies: @40 Lashes Less One
    @kimchilover

    Steve has spoken about that.

    , @Stan d Mute
    @kimchilover


    older Generation-X male executives
     
    You do realize that the oldest Gen-X are just 56yo or so right? Most of the generation hasn’t even gotten their welcome gift from AARP yet. I somewhat doubt however that generational differences are as dramatic among the rarified sociopaths and psychopaths who climbed the corporate political ladder to the top.
  20. Adam Carolla wrote a book called, “In 50 Years We’ll All be Chicks.”

    And Vox Day is another example of an unvarnished gender realist.

    • Thanks: Marquis
  21. The roots of the feminization of American men are much deeper. Cultural historians call it the “masculinity crisis,” and it exploded in the 1890’s. Protestant middle class boys were acting like sissies as ethnic minorities were increasingly dominating sports and the streets. Conservative elements of the WASP elite were in a panic about it. The promotion of Teddy Roosevelt in the then WASP dominated media was intended to provide a ruggedly masculine role model for middle class Protestant boys who were getting all the wrong message in their churches, schools and families.

    The YMCA was created to toughen up Protestant boys with boxing and weightlifting. However, the focus soon drifted to do-gooderism, inclusivity of people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds and eventually ended up as a homosexual playground. Most of the YMCA’s imposing original buildings in big city downtowns have been demolished, like the Anglo-Protestant upper class itself.

    On another note, Arliss, from the frequently run commercials promoting it on all of HBO’s other programming, looked like a repulsively awful Jerry McGuire rip off with an actor who appeared to be a gay Jew with messed up teeth instead of Tom Cruise.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @ATBOTL


    The roots of the feminization of American men are much deeper. Cultural historians call it the “masculinity crisis,” and it exploded in the 1890’s. Protestant middle class boys were acting like sissies as ethnic minorities were increasingly dominating sports and the streets. Conservative elements of the WASP elite were in a panic about it. The promotion of Teddy Roosevelt in the then WASP dominated media was intended to provide a ruggedly masculine role model for middle class
     
    LOL!!!

    Citation needed.

    Early 20th century outmarriage rates say otherwise. WASP men were cucking ethnic immigrants. Just like they do today.

    Replies: @Dnought

    , @Alden
    @ATBOTL

    Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense. I’m old enough to remember YMCA jokes. And the YMCA invented basketball as a sport that could be played on small city playgrounds or just a hoop screwed to a door frame. And just one person could enjoy playing. It’s really a wonderful wonderful sport. Keeps the kids occupied for hours. Even if the bouncing of the ball is noisy. 🏀. And parents don’t have to organize a team and car pool or chaperone. Just point the kids to the nearest playground or screw a hoop to the garage door frame. Cheaper than a swimming pool and no worries about some visitor drowning..

    Your theory is valid but I don’t know if it’s completely true. WASP doesn’t mean an effet petite bourgeois conformist. Just means British Protestant. Not even German or Scandinavian Protestant. The southerner share croppers miners and mill workers were as much WASPS as the Gentry who exploited them.

    I don’t have a TV but I get ADs with Triple A health insurance bank etc junk. Blackety blacketty black. Dump them never read them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Desiderius

  22. Feminism may have fallen out of favor for 50 years, but they still got the damn vote, and here we are a 100 years on still paying the GD price…

  23. It’s weird watching shows with grisly murders like “Criminal Minds”, then seeing 90% female-oriented ads, and having a third of the killers be cuckoo women. Then there are all the stupid targettes who knock their attacker down and run away without finishing him off. Like most cop shows, CM degenerated into melodrama around the regular cast.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Ralph L

    It’s weird watching shows with grisly murders like “Criminal Minds”, then seeing 90% female-oriented ads, and having a third of the killers be cuckoo women. Then there are all the stupid targettes who knock their attacker down and run away without finishing him off. Like most cop shows, CM degenerated into melodrama around the regular cast.

    For a real laugh, check out the Unresolved Mysteries subreddit. Crimes and disappearances involving women get way more attention than those involving men, and it's easy to figure out that most forum participants are women. It's similar in a way to how British writers pioneered murder mystery novels over a century ago even though Britain hardly has any murders.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  24. Great post, Steve; it covers a lot of ground.

    It’s interesting to compare the power MeToo has given young women to the somewhat more circumscribed — but also potentially life-altering — power young women of good birth held in the time of Jane Austen.

    That is, at that time a proposal of marriage — or even an implication thereof — was utterly binding on the man involved. Once an offer was perceived to have been made, he was nailed down; he could not rescind that offer without ruining his reputation. The girl involved, on the other hand, not only had her catch landed and gaffed, she could withdraw from the agreement at her whim.

    How different, really, is the power an attractive young woman in the workplace holds now? She can flirt as shamelessly as she likes, and be considered above any criticism for so doing. And once a man shows any attention, she can either reciprocate and reel him in at her pleasure — or she can turn on him, MeToo him, and condemn him to official censure, possible job loss, and even legal action. And somewhere along the line whatever reputation the man’s got will likely be trodden in the social media mire for good measure.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    What's the name of the then common lawsuit a woman could throw at her ex-fiancee if he backed out of marriage? It played a big role in the novel "The French Lieutenant's Woman," which was a big deal 50 years ago but seems to be forgotten today.

    Replies: @Catdompa, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Dube, @mc23

    , @Desiderius
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Roissy always said that men are the disposable sex.

  25. @JohnnyWalker123
    Has any prominent man's career been ruined because he leered at someone?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @40 Lashes Less One, @Pissedoffalese, @Neuday

    Maybe it’s just me, but that sounds like a loaded question. Do you take issue with Steve’s opinion that #Metoo has become an absurd witch hunt?

  26. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Great post, Steve; it covers a lot of ground.

    It's interesting to compare the power MeToo has given young women to the somewhat more circumscribed -- but also potentially life-altering -- power young women of good birth held in the time of Jane Austen.

    That is, at that time a proposal of marriage -- or even an implication thereof -- was utterly binding on the man involved. Once an offer was perceived to have been made, he was nailed down; he could not rescind that offer without ruining his reputation. The girl involved, on the other hand, not only had her catch landed and gaffed, she could withdraw from the agreement at her whim.

    How different, really, is the power an attractive young woman in the workplace holds now? She can flirt as shamelessly as she likes, and be considered above any criticism for so doing. And once a man shows any attention, she can either reciprocate and reel him in at her pleasure -- or she can turn on him, MeToo him, and condemn him to official censure, possible job loss, and even legal action. And somewhere along the line whatever reputation the man's got will likely be trodden in the social media mire for good measure.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius

    What’s the name of the then common lawsuit a woman could throw at her ex-fiancee if he backed out of marriage? It played a big role in the novel “The French Lieutenant’s Woman,” which was a big deal 50 years ago but seems to be forgotten today.

    • Replies: @Catdompa
    @Steve Sailer

    Not sure about the law your asking about. But it was against the law here to procure sex under the promise of marriage. If memory serves me, Frank Sinatra was charged with this before he was famous.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Steve Sailer

    It was a 'breach of promise' lawsuit. The jilted girl (or her parents, if she was not of age) could sue the man who reneged on his proposal, which was treated as a kind of contract.

    This practice obviously faded away at some point -- likely it ended with the Victorians?

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @Dube
    @Steve Sailer

    In “The French Lieutenant’s Woman” it wasn't the young lady but rather her enraged father, the Dickensian industrialist, who crushed Jeremy Irons with interminable legal specifics in a breach of promise action, in a scene that still gives me the sweats. But that set up the happiness forever after rowboat scene with true love Meryl Streep.

    , @mc23
    @Steve Sailer

    There was also a legal remedy called Alienation of Affections where a spouse could bring an action against a 3rd party for damaging a marriage.

  27. The future will have cameras with sound recording in every room, perhaps excepting the bathroom. Better save all the data for 40 years or more.

  28. Government will eventually become the domain of women. When healthcare, education, pensions, social work squeeze out the government budgets for everything else, why would any male be interested in elected office or running campaigns. As districts are all drawn to elect someone from a particular community of interest, the primaries will be the only meaningful elections and will women will win most of them.

    Image in about 30 years where the AOC, MTG, Pelosi, or Jayapal types will be the majority of Congress and the Senate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @guest007


    Image in about 30 years where the AOC, MTG, Pelosi, or Jayapal types will be the majority of Congress and the Senate.
     
    I dunno.... Competitive men can do business together reasonably well, but competitive women have a much harder time of it. Their disputes are too personal.

    Case in point... Before the last UK general election which sealed the deal, there was a desperate attempt to prevent Brexit by forming an (I am not making this up) all-female 'government of national unity' (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/11/caroline-lucas-calls-for-emergency-female-cabinet-to-block-no-deal-brexit).

    Despite all the plotters passionately agreeing on the principle, this plan swiftly fell apart when none of them could agree who would be in charge.

    Replies: @Momus, @guest007

  29. @anon
    Sports journalist Ethan Strauss recently quit his day job and started up on substack. He's a good liberal from the Bay, but seems to be predisposed to certain strands of Thought Crime. He recently had a take on the Nike stuff: link

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @Waylon Sisko, @Corvinus

    I keep hearing about how Substack has allowed non-totally woke journalists an opportunity to make a living, but isn’t it just a matter of time before Substack starts canceling people? I suspect that someone like Steve Sailer wouldn’t last long on Substack. I hope I’m wrong.

  30. @kimchilover
    The role of Boomer and older Generation-X male executives simply living longer - in some cases a LOT longer - then they used to as well as the invention of Viagra - now VERY inexpensive (i.e., these older divorced dudes can actually have non-humiliating sex with their nubile young employees) has not been talked about as much as it should (or at all).

    I think there's a major correlation there.

    Replies: @40 Lashes Less One, @Stan d Mute

    Steve has spoken about that.

  31. @Steve Sailer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    What's the name of the then common lawsuit a woman could throw at her ex-fiancee if he backed out of marriage? It played a big role in the novel "The French Lieutenant's Woman," which was a big deal 50 years ago but seems to be forgotten today.

    Replies: @Catdompa, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Dube, @mc23

    Not sure about the law your asking about. But it was against the law here to procure sex under the promise of marriage. If memory serves me, Frank Sinatra was charged with this before he was famous.

  32. @JohnnyWalker123
    Has any prominent man's career been ruined because he leered at someone?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @40 Lashes Less One, @Pissedoffalese, @Neuday

    Chris Matthews seems like he did less than leer.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @40 Lashes Less One

    Wasn’t he the one who talked about getting tingles up his leg while watching Obama’s stump speech in ‘08?

    Replies: @40 Lashes Less One

  33. @Steve Sailer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    What's the name of the then common lawsuit a woman could throw at her ex-fiancee if he backed out of marriage? It played a big role in the novel "The French Lieutenant's Woman," which was a big deal 50 years ago but seems to be forgotten today.

    Replies: @Catdompa, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Dube, @mc23

    It was a ‘breach of promise’ lawsuit. The jilted girl (or her parents, if she was not of age) could sue the man who reneged on his proposal, which was treated as a kind of contract.

    This practice obviously faded away at some point — likely it ended with the Victorians?

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Gilbert & Sullivan wrote the comic one-act operetta "Trial by Jury" about such a lawsuit. Perhaps the silliness helped make it unfashionable. Spoiler: the judge marries her himself.

    Richard III claimed his brother Edward IV's supposed earlier promise of marriage made his marriage invalid and Edward V illegitimate. Because Richard had just executed without trial the respected statesman Hastings, Parliament went along with it.

  34. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    and especially among new immigrant groups targeted by WASP feminism
     
    Hey Steve, what’s your hang up with Americans of English descent? They founded this country, you know, and are about as pure non-tribal “citizenists” as they come. “WASP” is a racial slur. Is your keyboard broken and unable to type “English,” “Anglo-Saxons,” and “core Americans”?

    Replies: @Anon, @David Davenport, @Coemgen

    Steve’s just an agitprop cuck with a massive inferiority complex towards WASP males. Feminism is a New American (Asian, Jewish, Irish, Slavic, Italian) phenomenon that expanded as WASPSl influence declined. This frightens Steve because he himself is, after all, a New American adopted by WASP parents, and exhibits the same New American tendency to blame WASPS for New American behavior.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    The WASPs were feminist when it was still difficult to be feminist, before refrigerators, washing machines, vacuum cleaners and automobiles made it easy.

  35. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL
    The roots of the feminization of American men are much deeper. Cultural historians call it the "masculinity crisis," and it exploded in the 1890's. Protestant middle class boys were acting like sissies as ethnic minorities were increasingly dominating sports and the streets. Conservative elements of the WASP elite were in a panic about it. The promotion of Teddy Roosevelt in the then WASP dominated media was intended to provide a ruggedly masculine role model for middle class Protestant boys who were getting all the wrong message in their churches, schools and families.

    The YMCA was created to toughen up Protestant boys with boxing and weightlifting. However, the focus soon drifted to do-gooderism, inclusivity of people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds and eventually ended up as a homosexual playground. Most of the YMCA's imposing original buildings in big city downtowns have been demolished, like the Anglo-Protestant upper class itself.

    On another note, Arliss, from the frequently run commercials promoting it on all of HBO's other programming, looked like a repulsively awful Jerry McGuire rip off with an actor who appeared to be a gay Jew with messed up teeth instead of Tom Cruise.

    Replies: @Anon, @Alden

    The roots of the feminization of American men are much deeper. Cultural historians call it the “masculinity crisis,” and it exploded in the 1890’s. Protestant middle class boys were acting like sissies as ethnic minorities were increasingly dominating sports and the streets. Conservative elements of the WASP elite were in a panic about it. The promotion of Teddy Roosevelt in the then WASP dominated media was intended to provide a ruggedly masculine role model for middle class

    LOL!!!

    Citation needed.

    Early 20th century outmarriage rates say otherwise. WASP men were cucking ethnic immigrants. Just like they do today.

    • Replies: @Dnought
    @Anon

    I never saw the show, and for most of its run I barely watched TV at all, but man....some people really do hate them some Arli$$. The Wikipedia entry is interesting. There's very little about the show itself; most of the entry is either quotes from comedians making fun of it (rather lamely), or a summation of negative critical response to the show from various media outlets.

    So I figure it must have been OK, and now I'm sorry I missed it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  36. @3g4me
    Zman has posted about the Gynochracy for quite some time, and in far more honest terms than Cowen or Sailer could manage.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Zman has posted about the Gynochracy for quite some time, and in far more honest terms than Cowen or Sailer could manage.

    Zman? Anglin has probably used the most honest terms hasn’t he?

    • Replies: @Blodgie
    @Stan d Mute

    Rollo Tomassi is the current truth speaker when it comes to intersexual dynamics including hypergamy and the dominance of gynocentricism.

    Most guys on this site are way too spergy and normie to understand it though and lack experience with women.

    , @3g4me
    @Stan d Mute

    @36 Stan d Mute: While I am hardly a fan of women in general myself, I differentiate between a pro-Oriental misogynistic rant and a reasoned explication of the feminization of society and the rule by female norms.

  37. Anonymous[589] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow
    Many females have become masculinized. Deep, fry voice, lack of sensitivity, compassion, support and other cuddly qualities. Certainly no pleated skirt and knee socks like when I was in school. Sorry. Meanwhile, white males have become feminized. I saw a TV commercial the other day in which one of the characters was actually a white guy!! But they felt obliged to give him a cat. He was cradling a cat in his arms.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I saw numerous studies indicating that white males are the most desired race of men in America by women of virtually every ethnic group and race, and also the least likely to be single. They’re the most likely to be cast in leading roles in movies, and also most likely to star in interracial pornotraphy (which skews white male/nonwhite female).

  38. This practice obviously faded away at some point — likely it ended with the Victorians?

    Georgie Best was sued by a dolly bird for this crime (an actual crime at the time) in 1969. It was done away with the very next year. He never looked back.

    • Thanks: Gordo
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Expletive Deleted


    The first step to decriminalise homosexuality in the UK was taken on July 27, 1967 when the Sexual Offences Act 1967 legalised private acts between men aged over 21.
     
    I feel ya bro.
    Life is tough, out here among us normies. If Bestie had been a poof, he'd 'a 'bin roared to the rafters.
    Legally. Like two years later.
    But of course, he couldn't help his "sexuality". Probly the hormones, or what?
    O what's that? he was just .. a Man? Well f that.
  39. @rebel yell
    We need to introduce "toxic femininity" as a concept in the national dialogue.
    Every female virtue has its corresponding vice that is toxic.
    Women are conformist (the bad side of being cooperative) - this is evident in cancel culture.
    As conformists they undervalue debate, dissent, and rational thinking.
    Women tend toward blame, resentment, and scolding.
    Women prefer poison to guns when committing murder, including the plotting and sneakiness that go with poisoning.
    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news. It can also be quite bad, keeping the emphasis on character assassination instead of discussing issues.
    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos. In politics this means microaggressions and hair issues take on outsized importance.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Intelligent Dasein, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous Jew, @Ian M., @Ian M.

    We need to introduce “toxic femininity” as a concept in the national dialogue.

    We don’t need any new words or expressions, merely the courage to use the ones that we already have. I’d offer some examples, but then my comment would be whimmed and the point unmade.

    • Agree: InnerCynic
  40. I liked Arliss the few times I saw it, but only mildly. Robert Wuhrl is funny from time to time and seems to be into sports (he also in Bull Durham and Cobb). Sandra Oh was on it during the brief period of time she could’ve been considered cute playing a young Asian secretary who dressed like a cute younger Asian secretary you might have a crush on. And the gay black guy from Spin City was on it playing a gay black sports agent, and he was good.

    But it wasn’t anything great. The Simpsons made fun of Arliss as being unfunny. The inside-sports aspects must’ve been flattering and funny to many inside-sports folks, but only in the “hey, that’s just like so-and-so” sendups. In fact, a lot like The Larry Sanders Show in those aspects.

    During that same time period an awful beta-male show was on HBO called The Mind of the Married Man. It was a stomach-turning “dramedy” where a blue pill, lefty Democrat starred and wrote and directed on his “difficulties” with marriage and fidelity and feminism. Even some explicit callouts to defend Bill Clinton from his impeachment. I kept hate-watching it and it never failed to get worse and more pussyish as time went on.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @R.G. Camara

    Wuhl wasn't that good of an actor to lead it (the rest of the cast was more skillful), but he led a good team of writers.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  41. @Anonymous

    and especially among new immigrant groups targeted by WASP feminism
     
    Hey Steve, what’s your hang up with Americans of English descent? They founded this country, you know, and are about as pure non-tribal “citizenists” as they come. “WASP” is a racial slur. Is your keyboard broken and unable to type “English,” “Anglo-Saxons,” and “core Americans”?

    Replies: @Anon, @David Davenport, @Coemgen

    Hey Steve, what’s your hang up with Americans of English descent? They founded this country, you know, and are about as pure non-tribal “citizenists” as they come. “WASP” is a racial slur.

    Steve’s Catholic, so he’s not a WASP.

  42. @kimchilover
    The role of Boomer and older Generation-X male executives simply living longer - in some cases a LOT longer - then they used to as well as the invention of Viagra - now VERY inexpensive (i.e., these older divorced dudes can actually have non-humiliating sex with their nubile young employees) has not been talked about as much as it should (or at all).

    I think there's a major correlation there.

    Replies: @40 Lashes Less One, @Stan d Mute

    older Generation-X male executives

    You do realize that the oldest Gen-X are just 56yo or so right? Most of the generation hasn’t even gotten their welcome gift from AARP yet. I somewhat doubt however that generational differences are as dramatic among the rarified sociopaths and psychopaths who climbed the corporate political ladder to the top.

  43. This gives youngish women huge amounts of power over ..

    oh hay thar, Rip van Sailer. How’s it bin?
    Almost like you had never even investigated teh ebil “manosphere”.
    Don’t go there, ever. It’ll make you sad. Because you’ve got a lot of catching up to do, and none of it’s nice.

    Youngish (acceptably non-obese, but not necessarily attractive, also White) women rule the universe, mercilessly.
    From puberty to the Wall. Then they don’t. And then they get really nasty, because it’s Unfair.
    They used to be Daddy’s Little Pwincess.
    Effed-up old men would sniff their hair.

  44. @AnotherDad
    The really toxic brew is having minoritarianism--rather than a healthy nationalism/civilizationalism/traditionalism--as your dominant ideology, so female compliance/status seeking reinforces parrots that while throwing in misplaced (childless/low-fertility) feminine nurturing and emotionalism.

    You end up with "dead baby on the beach ... we must do something!", "they're keeping them in cages!!!" and the classic "refugees welcome". And Social media just provides a super-hen-circle to make it worse.

    Women's concerns, interests and "mental approach" simply aren't what a healthy nations' political life looks like.


    Women--especially young women--were a lot more emotionally healthy when the day started with a few hours of milking the cows, gathering the eggs, getting breakfast ready before getting on to the rest of the day's work. (Men emotionally healthier with physical farm work as well.)

    But it's an open question how well any culture can manage modernity--all the technological innovations that have dramatically reduced work and cut mortality--and still have sane sensible females in a relatively low-fertility (even at replacement) environment.

    The West has failed. The Chinese may do better--maybe.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Tono Bungay, @James J O'Meara, @Mike Tre, @Technite78

    Women aren’t a minority.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Desiderius


    Women aren’t a minority.
     
    Yep. But not a claim in my comment above.

    The three elements i cite:
    1) feminine compliance and status anxiety
    very strong urge to parrot the reigning narrative to keep their place in the status hierarchy; and unfortunately the reigning ideology/narrative is no longer Christianity or Americanism but minoritarianism ... so that's what women parrot.

    2) misplaced nurturing--abetted by low fertility
    maintaining civilization requires unpleasant like punishment and keeping out that "starving hordes" at the border

    3) emotionalism;
    the emotionalism part of---and energizing--the "misplaced nurture" effect noted above, but also a general lack of desire to think logically, rationally, mathematically about ... anything; (ex. immigration which is obviously very destructive to current citizens interests when subjected to the simplest mathematical analysis)

    ~~

    But for the record, "minoritizing" women, particularly white women--getting many of them to see themselves as "oppressed minority" like blacks or Jews, even though that makes zero biological/cultural sense--was a major coup for Jewish 2nd wave feminism. (A different--much more chippy--vibe than the suffragette 1st wave which had strong overtones of "middle class"--everyone should behave like a middle class WASP--early 20th century progressivism. Several 1st wavers were .... gasp! ... eugenicists.)

  45. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Great post, Steve; it covers a lot of ground.

    It's interesting to compare the power MeToo has given young women to the somewhat more circumscribed -- but also potentially life-altering -- power young women of good birth held in the time of Jane Austen.

    That is, at that time a proposal of marriage -- or even an implication thereof -- was utterly binding on the man involved. Once an offer was perceived to have been made, he was nailed down; he could not rescind that offer without ruining his reputation. The girl involved, on the other hand, not only had her catch landed and gaffed, she could withdraw from the agreement at her whim.

    How different, really, is the power an attractive young woman in the workplace holds now? She can flirt as shamelessly as she likes, and be considered above any criticism for so doing. And once a man shows any attention, she can either reciprocate and reel him in at her pleasure -- or she can turn on him, MeToo him, and condemn him to official censure, possible job loss, and even legal action. And somewhere along the line whatever reputation the man's got will likely be trodden in the social media mire for good measure.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius

    Roissy always said that men are the disposable sex.

  46. @JohnnyWalker123
    Aubrey De Grey is one of the most famous anti-aging researchers in the world.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1425445933198807044

    https://twitter.com/endpts/status/1429776685201772550

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @S. Anonyia

    Jesus Christ I’m ten years older than that weirdo, and I have better skin, less rheumy eyes and a load more hair than that. He looks like a terminal wino.
    And all I’ve ever done is drink, hoor and work in the rain for all that time. While eating cheap garbage.

    What’s his real name,eh?

    • LOL: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Expletive Deleted

    I got to admit, it's sort of strange that he works in the "anti-aging" field. It's like finding out that Chris Christie is secretly moonlighting as a fitness blogger.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JMcG

  47. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    If you think the Victorian Era wasn’t feminine, you weren’t paying attention. It was all knicknacks and ruffles and sentimentalism. Men treated women like they were made of china and catered to them. The Victorian Era was an oddity, a strange contrast to the masculinity of the Georgian Era. However, I suspect the intervening Napoleonic Wars killed off many of the gruff, masculine men, so they didn’t survive to pass on their genes. The Napoleonic Wars went on for an entire generation, so had its pronounced genetic effect on the survivors.

    The gruff masculinity of the 1940s and 1950s was a post-war anomaly caused by the fact that a large amount of the male population had gone through boot camp and had masculinity rammed down their throats. The culture of masculinity was abandoned as soon as their Boomer sons could grow their hair long and dodge the Vietnam draft.

    To some extent, the modern culture of femininity was aided and abetted by those Boomer men because they were uncomfortable living the hypermasculine life their fathers did, so they agreed to let women assume many traditional masculine roles. Boomer men didn’t want to be stuck doing it all themselves.

    I might add that a generation of more aggressive American males were likely killed in World War 2, and they never had offspring at all. Boomer sons had fathers who likely skewed a lot more cautious in battle, and they stayed away from the shooting as much as possible. Their sons are just their like fathers.

    • Thanks: Charon, Corvinus
    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    Nice theory, but American males didn't much de in WW2, Vietnam was an obvious loser war. It was a proxy war (at best) that exhausted the huge but waning prestige of the US military. Boomer males wanted a cause, but not so unattractive.
    During WW2, women knew better then to get involved with the draft dogers and 4Fs. Just like boomer females avoided Vietnam Vets.
    Rich American WW2 males joined the RAF but 25 years later, boomer males joined the Air National Guard. IE, Joe Kennedy Jr vs George Bush.

    , @guest007
    @Anon

    One's beliefs about the Victorian era only applies to the women of the highest classes. Of course, those upper class women had a ton of female servants who were not treated as if they were made of china and definitely were not catered to.

    Working class women have always been more likely to work out side the home, where not treated as dainty, and generally had a hard life.

    , @Spud Boy
    @Anon

    "If you think the Victorian Era wasn’t feminine, you weren’t paying attention."

    Not paying attention? You mean to something that happened before all of us were born? You can claim ignorance of history, but not that we weren't "paying attention."

  48. Theory practice tomato tomahto

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Theory practice tomato tomahto
     
    What do you mean?
  49. @R.G. Camara
    I liked Arliss the few times I saw it, but only mildly. Robert Wuhrl is funny from time to time and seems to be into sports (he also in Bull Durham and Cobb). Sandra Oh was on it during the brief period of time she could've been considered cute playing a young Asian secretary who dressed like a cute younger Asian secretary you might have a crush on. And the gay black guy from Spin City was on it playing a gay black sports agent, and he was good.

    But it wasn't anything great. The Simpsons made fun of Arliss as being unfunny. The inside-sports aspects must've been flattering and funny to many inside-sports folks, but only in the "hey, that's just like so-and-so" sendups. In fact, a lot like The Larry Sanders Show in those aspects.

    During that same time period an awful beta-male show was on HBO called The Mind of the Married Man. It was a stomach-turning "dramedy" where a blue pill, lefty Democrat starred and wrote and directed on his "difficulties" with marriage and fidelity and feminism. Even some explicit callouts to defend Bill Clinton from his impeachment. I kept hate-watching it and it never failed to get worse and more pussyish as time went on.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Wuhl wasn’t that good of an actor to lead it (the rest of the cast was more skillful), but he led a good team of writers.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Steve Sailer

    I've always thought the gay black guy should've done more. He was the best part of Arliss and the only consistently funny part of the up-and-down, constantly changing, how-is-this-still-on Spin City . But after Spin City ended he never went on to bigger things, when he could've led a sitcom or minor drama.

    Apparently, his name is Michael Boatman, and is not gay in real life.

    Wuhl really wasn't bad on the show, but his smirkiness was annoying, and its hard to cheer for a sports agent slimeball in any context, even when he's written as the hero. The better Wuhl episodes were when he (Wuhl) was brought low and wasn't so smiley or oily but instead seemed down, much like how Jerry Maquire (which came out at the same time) spent the entire movie with Jerry being down on his luck and desperate to climb back to success by actually caring about a client.

    Replies: @Ralph L

  50. The Origins of Totalitarianism are to be found in neurotic Jewish women’s paranoid delusions.

  51. I’m a part-time amateur lumberjack. I have a dog. I know how to use tools. I’m good.

  52. @Mike Tre
    One aspect of this of course, is the vilification of testosterone as a rage inducing, violence enabling, Satan worshiping and artwork thieving hormone over the same amount of time if not longer.

    Steve himself falls into this trap sometimes, and many commenters here falsely associate the minimally higher levels of T in negroes as compared to Caucasians, to their maximally higher rates of violence and debauchery. Steve somehow also manages to draw the conclusion that men with high T want to become women the most, as if no other factors are to be considered.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Studies show that testosterone is only bad for you if you are white. Blacks produce a testosterone-detoxification enzyme (junglefeverase) that transforms testosterone into lady attractor pheromones by methylation.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Thanks: Charon
    • LOL: Gordo, Forbes
    • Replies: @Goddard
    @El Dato


    by methylation
     
    I think you meant “by mentholation.” Light me up wunna dem Newports, an’ I be stylin’, bitches.
  53. @Steve Sailer
    @R.G. Camara

    Wuhl wasn't that good of an actor to lead it (the rest of the cast was more skillful), but he led a good team of writers.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    I’ve always thought the gay black guy should’ve done more. He was the best part of Arliss and the only consistently funny part of the up-and-down, constantly changing, how-is-this-still-on Spin City . But after Spin City ended he never went on to bigger things, when he could’ve led a sitcom or minor drama.

    Apparently, his name is Michael Boatman, and is not gay in real life.

    Wuhl really wasn’t bad on the show, but his smirkiness was annoying, and its hard to cheer for a sports agent slimeball in any context, even when he’s written as the hero. The better Wuhl episodes were when he (Wuhl) was brought low and wasn’t so smiley or oily but instead seemed down, much like how Jerry Maquire (which came out at the same time) spent the entire movie with Jerry being down on his luck and desperate to climb back to success by actually caring about a client.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @R.G. Camara

    Boatman was also the guy who prepared the bodies for shipment on China Beach. He sure pinged my gaydar.

  54. Men of a Certain Age seemed like it was cancelled because men of that certain age couldn’t watch it because their wives complained.

  55. There has been a trend toward “self-domestication” in human evolution since forever, since long before “Out of Africa.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-domestication#Modern_Humans

  56. Most of what is on TV is crap pure and simple. TV was better when it was silly and almost surreal, like in the 60’s with Green Acres, The Munsters, Get Smart etc. Now it is too preachy and agenda filled.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Anon

    Winner of the "get off my lawn" daily award. The production values were so bad in most TV shows is enough to turn off younger generations.

    , @Uncle Dan
    @Anon

    The golden age of TV was the 1950’s, with Howdy Doody, “I Remember Mama,” “The Mickey Mouse Club,” “Gunsmoke,” and the “Huntley and Brinkley Report.”

    It’s been downhill ever since.

  57. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Steve Sailer

    It was a 'breach of promise' lawsuit. The jilted girl (or her parents, if she was not of age) could sue the man who reneged on his proposal, which was treated as a kind of contract.

    This practice obviously faded away at some point -- likely it ended with the Victorians?

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Gilbert & Sullivan wrote the comic one-act operetta “Trial by Jury” about such a lawsuit. Perhaps the silliness helped make it unfashionable. Spoiler: the judge marries her himself.

    Richard III claimed his brother Edward IV’s supposed earlier promise of marriage made his marriage invalid and Edward V illegitimate. Because Richard had just executed without trial the respected statesman Hastings, Parliament went along with it.

  58. Another guy show on the old, hetero HBO was ENTOURAGE, which had lots of chicks in bikinis and Jeremy Piven playing a version of Ari Emanuel. This red-blooded male perspective drew the fire of Tina Fey’s 30 Rock: “People sent light bulbs to save Friday Night Lights, hot sauce to save Roswell, and douchebags to save Entourage.”

  59. @JohnnyWalker123
    Has any prominent man's career been ruined because he leered at someone?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @40 Lashes Less One, @Pissedoffalese, @Neuday

    Al Franken? I detest the guy on other grounds, but that stupid picture was just a gag, same thing that was always acceptable from comedians until everybody got the vapors. He may have done other things, too. I don’t recall.

    What would the wokies say of Benny Hill today? That guy was funny. Franken was not, but he wasn’t any different than anyone else within American alleged comedy.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    @Pissedoffalese

    Benny Hill's show seems to have been cancelled because the woke idiots of the day didn't like it, Benny was promoting rape apparently, I suspect Hill died early because of it

    , @J.Ross
    @Pissedoffalese

    A confusing example because he chose to fall on his own sword: had he fought it he'd have been fine.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Pissedoffalese

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken#Sexual_misconduct_allegations


    On November 16, 2017, conservative talk-radio host Leeann Tweeden alleged in a blog post and an interview with her radio station, 790 KABC, that Franken forcibly kissed her on a 2006 USO tour during a rehearsal for a skit. She wrote, "I said 'OK' so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth."
     

    In the days that followed, seven additional women came forward with allegations of inappropriate behavior during photo ops. Lindsay Menz accused Franken of touching her clothed buttocks while they posed for a photo at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010.[126][127] Two anonymous women made similar complaints related to events during political events.[128]
     

    The same day, Stephanie Kemplin, an army veteran, told CNN that Franken held the side of her breast for 5 to 10 seconds "and never moved his hand" while posing for a photograph[132] with her during a 2003 USO tour in Iraq.[133]
     
    He probably could've survived the pictures, which clearly were a joke. It was the above groping & kissing stuff that torpedoed his career.
    , @gandydancer
    @Pissedoffalese


    Al Franken? ...that stupid picture was just a gag, same thing that was always acceptable from comedians until everybody got the vapors.
     
    Acceptable to who? Benny Hill; might have made similar moves in the course of his show, but those girls weren't comatose or, presumably, surprised. Plus there's the hypocrisy factor.
  60. @Anon
    @ATBOTL


    The roots of the feminization of American men are much deeper. Cultural historians call it the “masculinity crisis,” and it exploded in the 1890’s. Protestant middle class boys were acting like sissies as ethnic minorities were increasingly dominating sports and the streets. Conservative elements of the WASP elite were in a panic about it. The promotion of Teddy Roosevelt in the then WASP dominated media was intended to provide a ruggedly masculine role model for middle class
     
    LOL!!!

    Citation needed.

    Early 20th century outmarriage rates say otherwise. WASP men were cucking ethnic immigrants. Just like they do today.

    Replies: @Dnought

    I never saw the show, and for most of its run I barely watched TV at all, but man….some people really do hate them some Arli\$\$. The Wikipedia entry is interesting. There’s very little about the show itself; most of the entry is either quotes from comedians making fun of it (rather lamely), or a summation of negative critical response to the show from various media outlets.

    So I figure it must have been OK, and now I’m sorry I missed it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dnought

    I wrote a spec script for "Arliss." The Arliss showrunner absolutely hated my script and told me This Is Not What Arliss Is About. But a different show's showrunner thought it was funny and bought a script I wrote for his show, although the two showrunners ended up rewriting about 80% of it (because profession comedy writers are much funner than semi-professionals like myslef).. But then his show got cancelled so it never got on the air.

    Replies: @Dnought, @Paul Mendez

  61. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Peter_Nimitz/status/1431114608056537089?s=20

    Theory practice tomato tomahto

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Theory practice tomato tomahto

    What do you mean?

  62. Typo:

    “I sued to watch an HBO sports satire sitcom …”

    s|u ctrl-T

    • Thanks: El Dato
  63. @Dnought
    @Anon

    I never saw the show, and for most of its run I barely watched TV at all, but man....some people really do hate them some Arli$$. The Wikipedia entry is interesting. There's very little about the show itself; most of the entry is either quotes from comedians making fun of it (rather lamely), or a summation of negative critical response to the show from various media outlets.

    So I figure it must have been OK, and now I'm sorry I missed it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I wrote a spec script for “Arliss.” The Arliss showrunner absolutely hated my script and told me This Is Not What Arliss Is About. But a different show’s showrunner thought it was funny and bought a script I wrote for his show, although the two showrunners ended up rewriting about 80% of it (because profession comedy writers are much funner than semi-professionals like myslef).. But then his show got cancelled so it never got on the air.

    • Replies: @Dnought
    @Steve Sailer

    Screenwriting seems to me an incredibly tough business. I'm an engineer not a writer, so I guess it would seem that way to me, but I have a cousin who was a producer for CNN and Fox News, who was always trying to sell scripts he had written, either for new programs or established shows. At one point he quit his CNN gig so he could devote all his time to screenwriting-but he never really broke through, and ended up taking the Fox News gig after a couple of (mostly fruitless) years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JackOH

    , @Paul Mendez
    @Steve Sailer

    In the 90’s I knew a guy who wrote a short story that won an award in a trendy magazine. Producer A thought it would make a good vehicle for Current Big Star, so he not only optioned the story but paid the author to take a first stab at the script.

    Based solely on the fact that Producer A hired him to write a script for Current Big Star, Producer B hired him to write a script for HIS Current Big Star.

    The rest of the story is too long to go into, but the summary is he spent a busy couple of years writing or rewriting scripts in Hollywood, none of which made it into production. Eventually, producers decided if he had been there that long and didn’t have any credits, he must not be any good and he stopped getting work.

    He was in his 50’s at the time. He said it was a lot of fun, but he wished he had started when he was a younger man.

  64. @rebel yell
    We need to introduce "toxic femininity" as a concept in the national dialogue.
    Every female virtue has its corresponding vice that is toxic.
    Women are conformist (the bad side of being cooperative) - this is evident in cancel culture.
    As conformists they undervalue debate, dissent, and rational thinking.
    Women tend toward blame, resentment, and scolding.
    Women prefer poison to guns when committing murder, including the plotting and sneakiness that go with poisoning.
    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news. It can also be quite bad, keeping the emphasis on character assassination instead of discussing issues.
    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos. In politics this means microaggressions and hair issues take on outsized importance.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Intelligent Dasein, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous Jew, @Ian M., @Ian M.

    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos.

    That isn’t what bathos means, but the rest of you comment wasn’t bad.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I always thought bathos meant false or inauthentic suffering, as compared to pathos, true suffering. Bathos would be crocodile tears and soap opera. Looking up the word in the dictionary, I see the definitions include "insincere pathos, obvious sentimentality, mawkishness", which is close to what I have in mind.
    I see from other definitions listed for bathos that the word is incorrect for what I have in mind.
    This subject interests me, since I think the Greeks were on to something in contrasting bathos with pathos.
    I would be interested in any further insight you have or better words to describe this business of crocodile tears or fake suffering.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Intelligent Dasein

  65. @JohnnyWalker123
    Aubrey De Grey is one of the most famous anti-aging researchers in the world.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1425445933198807044

    https://twitter.com/endpts/status/1429776685201772550

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @S. Anonyia

    For an anti-aging researcher he looks very haggard. There is probably some truth to whatever is being alleged against him; anyone with a Rasputin beard is bound to be off their rocker in some way. It’s the middle-aged male equivalent of a young woman with pink/purple hair. Sign of a personality disorder.

    • Agree: Charon
    • LOL: mc23
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @S. Anonyia

    I never heard of this guy, but I agree.

    "It’s the middle-aged male equivalent of a young woman with pink/purple hair. "

    Haggard-wise, it's the libertarian version of those progs who are obsessed with running, whole foods, wheat germs, "health" etc. but look like crap.

    Replies: @Feryl

  66. @Mark in BC
    We have actually reached a point where a prototypical 14 Year Old Girl (with a dusky hue) is now societies Standard of Identity.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Corvinus

    Anno tried to warn us

    • Replies: @Mandrill with a hand drill
    @El Dato

    Disgustingly stupid.

  67. @Steve Sailer
    @Dnought

    I wrote a spec script for "Arliss." The Arliss showrunner absolutely hated my script and told me This Is Not What Arliss Is About. But a different show's showrunner thought it was funny and bought a script I wrote for his show, although the two showrunners ended up rewriting about 80% of it (because profession comedy writers are much funner than semi-professionals like myslef).. But then his show got cancelled so it never got on the air.

    Replies: @Dnought, @Paul Mendez

    Screenwriting seems to me an incredibly tough business. I’m an engineer not a writer, so I guess it would seem that way to me, but I have a cousin who was a producer for CNN and Fox News, who was always trying to sell scripts he had written, either for new programs or established shows. At one point he quit his CNN gig so he could devote all his time to screenwriting-but he never really broke through, and ended up taking the Fox News gig after a couple of (mostly fruitless) years.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dnought

    It's tough.

    I only tried it for a half year or so at the end of the 1990s. Maybe if the show that gave me a nice check for one script hadn't been canceled I would have stuck with it.

    But I noticed I don't really care that much about making up fictional stories. I have a hard time remembering plots I came up with. Most people who write movie reviews would like to be writing fiction, so they always include complex plot summaries as if they are Wikipedia editors. But also not give away the spoilers! But I don't much like telling stories, so I try to sum up a movie's plot in 30 or 40 words.

    Perhaps getting into an evening class at a first rate program like USC is the best way in. They pay veterans who are real screenwriters enough money to teach the courses and some of the students in each class are sizable talents, so if you are good enough you can get advice on your writing from people who are going to be pros pretty soon themselves.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @JackOH
    @Dnought

    D-writing is hard; writing for publication harder still; writing and getting well-paid for it-damned difficult.

    I used to deflect the occasional praise I'd get for the smalltime reviews, letters, and essays I'd published by saying: "The writing's easy. The thinking beforehand is really hard." Half-truth, of course.

    I didn't learn the value of line-by-line editing until my late 20s, which, among other things, can help you better judge the strength or weakness of what you're trying to say.

    Writers who achieve both popular acclaim and critical success deserve every penny of their earnings, even if I personally don't like their stuff.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stan Adams

  68. @rebel yell
    We need to introduce "toxic femininity" as a concept in the national dialogue.
    Every female virtue has its corresponding vice that is toxic.
    Women are conformist (the bad side of being cooperative) - this is evident in cancel culture.
    As conformists they undervalue debate, dissent, and rational thinking.
    Women tend toward blame, resentment, and scolding.
    Women prefer poison to guns when committing murder, including the plotting and sneakiness that go with poisoning.
    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news. It can also be quite bad, keeping the emphasis on character assassination instead of discussing issues.
    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos. In politics this means microaggressions and hair issues take on outsized importance.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Intelligent Dasein, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous Jew, @Ian M., @Ian M.

    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news.

    Nah.

  69. WASP America had been headed in a feminist direction, as seen by 1919’s passage of women’s suffrage and prohibition.

    The Progressive Era was a great leap forward for big government, including big public education.

  70. @Desiderius
    @AnotherDad

    Women aren't a minority.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Women aren’t a minority.

    Yep. But not a claim in my comment above.

    The three elements i cite:
    1) feminine compliance and status anxiety
    very strong urge to parrot the reigning narrative to keep their place in the status hierarchy; and unfortunately the reigning ideology/narrative is no longer Christianity or Americanism but minoritarianism … so that’s what women parrot.

    2) misplaced nurturing–abetted by low fertility
    maintaining civilization requires unpleasant like punishment and keeping out that “starving hordes” at the border

    3) emotionalism;
    the emotionalism part of—and energizing–the “misplaced nurture” effect noted above, but also a general lack of desire to think logically, rationally, mathematically about … anything; (ex. immigration which is obviously very destructive to current citizens interests when subjected to the simplest mathematical analysis)

    ~~

    But for the record, “minoritizing” women, particularly white women–getting many of them to see themselves as “oppressed minority” like blacks or Jews, even though that makes zero biological/cultural sense–was a major coup for Jewish 2nd wave feminism. (A different–much more chippy–vibe than the suffragette 1st wave which had strong overtones of “middle class”–everyone should behave like a middle class WASP–early 20th century progressivism. Several 1st wavers were …. gasp! … eugenicists.)

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans, Charon
  71. This gives youngish women huge amounts of power over media organizations to blackmail them into, say, running Let’s-Talk-About-My-Hair ruminations and the like.

    Not sure this particular connection to MeToo is solid. The Hair Touching Bad editorials are usually (always) written by black and mulatta women about the curious boarding school girls who expressed curiosity in the diversity that was there so they could know a black or two. Men don’t really figure into it.

    Notably absent from the metoo stuff has been black women hit on by non-blacks. Or black males. I think there have even been editorials by black women complaining that the harassers are not interested in them. “That pig! All his victims are white and azn!”

    I don’t think many male editors are being blackmailed by blackfemales over the editor not expressing any sexual interest in them.

    Maybe the hair editorials are because the editors can imagine how difficult hair like that would be to live with, but most middle class+ whites cannot really empathize with the sort of problems blacks make for themselves. So when the token black chick says “let me write an editorial. I’ve narrowed it down to 1) my bastard children are hard to raise 2) my cousin Shitavious needs to get a job, and 3) babydaddy #n left me for a Becky.” The editor is thinking, “no, none of those are relatable for the middle class+ white women we write click bait to reel in. All women do hair stuff. If the black writes about her hair, then the white chicks reading it will sympathize, feel superior, and feel enlightened for being interested in a non-white issue. That’s a good combination.” So hairditorial it is!

  72. This has been going on since the invention of chivalry in the 11th century.

    It was invented to teach knights manners. You know, before–they used to just freely rape and pillage and chomp huge rumps of pig with juice running down their jowls; after–they bowed a lot, curbed their tongues, lightly discussed topics of love at the dinner table, learned to honor contracts, and used napkins.

  73. Tumblr is the staging ground for much wokeness that later spreads to Twitter and is thus laundering into the social/political discourse in the West. And no social media platform is more gender skewed than Tumblr.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Altai

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    This incident from the George Floyd protests in Stockholm that seem to have been mostly attended by young girls between the ages of 17 and 23 is a visual summation of the great awokening.

    I think themes of inclusion and harmony and resolving conflict are a manifestation of and popular among teachers because they are basic maternal instincts for dealing with young children. But, if mapped over society as a whole tend to produce a situation where the host dominant group gets seen as a selfish child that won't share with devastating consequences.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Malcolm X-Lax

  74. @Altai
    Tumblr is the staging ground for much wokeness that later spreads to Twitter and is thus laundering into the social/political discourse in the West. And no social media platform is more gender skewed than Tumblr.

    Replies: @Altai

    This incident from the George Floyd protests in Stockholm that seem to have been mostly attended by young girls between the ages of 17 and 23 is a visual summation of the great awokening.

    I think themes of inclusion and harmony and resolving conflict are a manifestation of and popular among teachers because they are basic maternal instincts for dealing with young children. But, if mapped over society as a whole tend to produce a situation where the host dominant group gets seen as a selfish child that won’t share with devastating consequences.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Altai

    Also, hormonally addled and immature young women want to jump the bones of a George Floyd type veteran barbarian. Trayvon Martin or a Freddy Gray are too undeveloped to be sex symbols for these girls. They prefer them battle scarred.

    You sometimes wonder if PC norms among modern Western white guys have led to a collapse in the perceived dominant masculinity of white guys, even the ones in their 30's and 40's. So young white girls are excited by the stone age norms of dark barbarians. There's also the discomforting reality that women submit to dominant men due to an evolved strategy of survival during rival tribe invasions.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Altai

    That was vomit-inducing.

  75. @Steve Sailer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    What's the name of the then common lawsuit a woman could throw at her ex-fiancee if he backed out of marriage? It played a big role in the novel "The French Lieutenant's Woman," which was a big deal 50 years ago but seems to be forgotten today.

    Replies: @Catdompa, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Dube, @mc23

    In “The French Lieutenant’s Woman” it wasn’t the young lady but rather her enraged father, the Dickensian industrialist, who crushed Jeremy Irons with interminable legal specifics in a breach of promise action, in a scene that still gives me the sweats. But that set up the happiness forever after rowboat scene with true love Meryl Streep.

  76. @ATBOTL
    The roots of the feminization of American men are much deeper. Cultural historians call it the "masculinity crisis," and it exploded in the 1890's. Protestant middle class boys were acting like sissies as ethnic minorities were increasingly dominating sports and the streets. Conservative elements of the WASP elite were in a panic about it. The promotion of Teddy Roosevelt in the then WASP dominated media was intended to provide a ruggedly masculine role model for middle class Protestant boys who were getting all the wrong message in their churches, schools and families.

    The YMCA was created to toughen up Protestant boys with boxing and weightlifting. However, the focus soon drifted to do-gooderism, inclusivity of people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds and eventually ended up as a homosexual playground. Most of the YMCA's imposing original buildings in big city downtowns have been demolished, like the Anglo-Protestant upper class itself.

    On another note, Arliss, from the frequently run commercials promoting it on all of HBO's other programming, looked like a repulsively awful Jerry McGuire rip off with an actor who appeared to be a gay Jew with messed up teeth instead of Tom Cruise.

    Replies: @Anon, @Alden

    Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense. I’m old enough to remember YMCA jokes. And the YMCA invented basketball as a sport that could be played on small city playgrounds or just a hoop screwed to a door frame. And just one person could enjoy playing. It’s really a wonderful wonderful sport. Keeps the kids occupied for hours. Even if the bouncing of the ball is noisy. 🏀. And parents don’t have to organize a team and car pool or chaperone. Just point the kids to the nearest playground or screw a hoop to the garage door frame. Cheaper than a swimming pool and no worries about some visitor drowning..

    Your theory is valid but I don’t know if it’s completely true. WASP doesn’t mean an effet petite bourgeois conformist. Just means British Protestant. Not even German or Scandinavian Protestant. The southerner share croppers miners and mill workers were as much WASPS as the Gentry who exploited them.

    I don’t have a TV but I get ADs with Triple A health insurance bank etc junk. Blackety blacketty black. Dump them never read them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alden

    There was nothing valid about that guy's "theory"; he's flat out lying. Northeast WASPS have always been the image of athleticism and hegemonic male dominance in America. Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about. On the contrary, they were seen as rather dimunitive and inert.

    Also, the women's suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp). Feminism and suffrage are anithetical to WASP values, it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in. In keeping with their egalitarian, matriarchical roots and ancestry.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @mc23, @Agathoklis, @J.Ross, @Dnought

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Alden


    Your theory is valid but I don’t know if it’s completely true. WASP doesn’t mean an effet petite bourgeois conformist. Just means British Protestant. Not even German or Scandinavian Protestant. The southerner share croppers miners and mill workers were as much WASPS as the Gentry who exploited them.
     
    Across all ethnicities and groups there's a lot more people who can live like the former now and so a lot less who must live like the latter.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Desiderius
    @Alden

    No, WASP means Wealthy Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

    British (as opposed to English, i.e. Anglish) came into vogue with the creation of the United Kingdom as a way to include the Celts and other primeval peoples of the British Isles (including vaguely depending who you ask the Scots-Irish and even the Irish for the particularly large-minded and/or Ulster). The whole purpose of the coinage of the term WASP was to reverse that inclusion. It serves that purpose to this day among the WASPs themselves.

    Again, this movie is the ur-text for understanding how the phenomenon described by @ATBOTL ended up playing out:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/movies/19harv.html

    Very much worth watching. That period was the high water mark of white ethnic (and this very much includes Redneck Scots-Irish along with the Poles, and Micks, and Wops) integration into the American Ruling Class. Note: the Buscaren character was best buds with W. This was the beginning of the reaction against that integration.

    Replies: @TWS

  77. @Intelligent Dasein
    @rebel yell


    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos.
     
    That isn't what bathos means, but the rest of you comment wasn't bad.

    Replies: @rebel yell

    I always thought bathos meant false or inauthentic suffering, as compared to pathos, true suffering. Bathos would be crocodile tears and soap opera. Looking up the word in the dictionary, I see the definitions include “insincere pathos, obvious sentimentality, mawkishness”, which is close to what I have in mind.
    I see from other definitions listed for bathos that the word is incorrect for what I have in mind.
    This subject interests me, since I think the Greeks were on to something in contrasting bathos with pathos.
    I would be interested in any further insight you have or better words to describe this business of crocodile tears or fake suffering.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @rebel yell

    Your use of "bathos" was just right.

    ID is full of ****.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @rebel yell


    I would be interested in any further insight you have or better words to describe this business of crocodile tears or fake suffering.
     
    Sure, I would be happy to help. The subject is a rather important one, as I will attempt to show later. It seems you have a few different thoughts and concepts mixed together in your mind, so lets start with some explanations and definitions.

    This subject interests me, since I think the Greeks were on to something in contrasting bathos with pathos.
     
    The Greeks never contrasted bathos with pathos; the word "bathos" was not used in a literary sense until it appeared in an essay by Alexander Pope in 1727. I believe you may be thinking instead of the three modes of persuasion, viz. ethos, pathos, and logos. The point is worthy of some attention.

    Ethos: Refers to ethics, character, action, i.e. the habits conducive to virtue. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion, ethos means an appeal to authority, to the high standing, dignity, and experience of the person making the claim. In the dramatic/tragic sense, ethos refers to the character of the hero as he meets his fate, hopefully without falling into fear and vice. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, i.e. ethics as right action in conformity with the laws of the universe.

    Pathos: Means "that which happens to one." It is not limited to what we call "suffering," although it does include it. In the Greek drama, some twist of fate or circumstance besets the hero like a calamity, and this sets the stage for his response, which is supposed to induce a state of catharsis in the audience. What ever happens to you, for good or ill, is your pathos, your "passion" (from whence we derive the Passion of the Christ, passion plays, etc.). The opposite of pathos is not "bathos" but act, i.e. one's own proper power of existence expressed as ethos. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion, pathos means an emotional appeal to the listener. In the dramatic/tragic sense, it refers to the twists of fate that befall the hero undeservedly. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, i.e. pathos as the recognition that man is neither perfect nor omnipotent nor immortal and therefore must carry out his existence amidst ambiguous situations that seem to contradict and nullify him.

    Logos: Refers to the cognizable structure and order of reality, which is one and the same thing both in the world and in the mind. The logos is the Divine Word which makes, out of the chaotic archae, a universe of form and meaning. The Greeks knew it as a power above the gods of Olympus, and it was identified as early as the St. John Gospel with Jesus Christ, the second person of the trinity who is himself the word of God. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion it refers to arguments using facts and reason concerning things that can be demonstrated. In the dramatic/tragic sense it means the order by which the drama unfolds toward catharsis. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, viz. the transcendent rational ground of reality.

    Let's pause here a moment to visit the subject of "crocodile tears."

    I always thought bathos meant false or inauthentic suffering, as compared to pathos, true suffering. Bathos would be crocodile tears and soap opera.
     
    This isn't quite correct. "Crocodile tears" does not mean merely false or inauthentic suffering. There are many ways of being false and inauthentic, most of which are not comprised in its definition. "Crocodile tears" refers specifically to a ruse, to a malicious deception and act of hypocrisy by which someone affects to feel sympathy with the sufferings of another but really wants only to exploit them. An example would be Bill Clinton's famous line, "I feel your pain." Phariseeism, tubthumping, and virtue signaling are more cognate with "crocodile tears" than is melodrama or what you've called "soap opera."

    Melodrama means only a simple drama, i.e. one in which none of the characters undergo any change of state. Saturday morning cartoons are the perfect example of melodrama: Batman is always the good guy, Joker is always the bad guy, and we don't see any of their internal contradictions or ambiguities. This, again, is something different from sentimentality or mawkishness, although the two are often found together. Sentimentality, i.e. an overweening or excessive appeal to emotion, need not be "inauthentic or false," except in the sense that anything out of proportion must have something unreal at the bottom of it. Sentimentality is not so much insincerity as it is immaturity, childishness, womanishness, foolishness, and silliness. It only becomes insincere when it is affected by somebody who knows better (enter here the critiques of Friedrich Nietzsche).

    But none of this has anything to do with bathos, to which we now turn.

    Bathos: Means the breaking of dramatic tension by an abrupt descent into absurdity. It is the "descent" which is emphasized here and it is from this quality that the word draws its meaning (bathos is the Greek word for "deep," as in the depths of the sea, the abyss). It is, in essence, an ironic revelation that makes a farce out of everything that preceded it.

    If I wanted to present to a beginner the perfect example of bathos in cinema, I could do no better than to point to the ending of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. This is the bathetic belly flop par excellence: The final battle for the grail---which, in the original Arthur legends would have been a matter of world-transcending significance---ends, not with victory or defeat, but with the combatants being broken up by police and hauled off in paddy wagons. By concluding thus, the implication is that the grand tragedy we thought we were seeing up until the very last moment, was really just a farce all along and that all the characters were insane. They were not knights in 12th century England but lunatics in the modern world.

    My interest in this subject derives from this very important observation: Is this not the very world we are living in today? Is not the bathetic belly flop the actual fate of the tragic sufferer in the modern world? Would not anyone of high chivalric feeling, or deep religious feeling, or a lofty sense of destiny, be likely to meet his end, not in a consuming battle with gods and monsters, but a farcical run-in with dull police officers and dimwitted psychiatrists?

    Since the modern world has no understanding of greatness and no place for it, it forces the bathetic end upon all true heroes. This is the situation that needs to be combatted. The modern hero faces what is perhaps the blackest and most hopeless battle of all: He must fight, not for his own greatness, but for the very existence of greatness itself. He has the grim task of fighting the Nothing, with nothing. The Nothing we fight against is the absence of any grand task or high standard or tragic fate in the world around us. All gods are dead and the world has become brittle and unreal. There is no traction, no impetus to even get going on an important mission. The nothing we fight with is the radical nullification of any sense of meaning or direction that such a world imposes upon the soul of the hero. Only the most pure and unsullied conscience can give birth once again to the gods and allow tragedy, once more, to exist.

    Our Hero's Journey takes place in the most absolute terms. We fight against the radical ending of all things.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Triteleia Laxa

  78. @R.G. Camara
    @Steve Sailer

    I've always thought the gay black guy should've done more. He was the best part of Arliss and the only consistently funny part of the up-and-down, constantly changing, how-is-this-still-on Spin City . But after Spin City ended he never went on to bigger things, when he could've led a sitcom or minor drama.

    Apparently, his name is Michael Boatman, and is not gay in real life.

    Wuhl really wasn't bad on the show, but his smirkiness was annoying, and its hard to cheer for a sports agent slimeball in any context, even when he's written as the hero. The better Wuhl episodes were when he (Wuhl) was brought low and wasn't so smiley or oily but instead seemed down, much like how Jerry Maquire (which came out at the same time) spent the entire movie with Jerry being down on his luck and desperate to climb back to success by actually caring about a client.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Boatman was also the guy who prepared the bodies for shipment on China Beach. He sure pinged my gaydar.

  79. @40 Lashes Less One
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Chris Matthews seems like he did less than leer.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Wasn’t he the one who talked about getting tingles up his leg while watching Obama’s stump speech in ‘08?

    • Replies: @40 Lashes Less One
    @Stan Adams

    That's him. They forced him into retirement at MSNBC for essentially telling one of the female commentators she was pretty

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @J.Ross

  80. Even simpler: women have more of the power in this society, so of course it starts to look feminine. They have:

    1.) More political power. There are (slightly) more women than men, so they can outvote men, and shape the government based on their desires. This has translated into:

    2.) More economic power. Male dominated industries like manufacturing are subject to brutal international competition, often from countries with governments that support or subsidize their own manufacturing champions. They are also subject to constant attempts to automate and squeeze out more productivity.

    On the other hand, there has been just about zero interest in automating or improving the productivity of female dominated industries. Could we deliver education just as effectively using modern technology for a fraction of the cost? Probably. Are local governments ever going to attempt this? No chance. Look at how effectively teachers unions have fought vouchers, versus how ineffective manufacturing unions have been at putting up tariffs or implementing industrial policy. Of course men sorta shoot themselves in the foot on this because they love muh competition.

    3.) The ultimate authority about whether and when the next generation gets brought into existence.
    That’s kind of a big one. Also,

    4.) Residual cultural power: most of the social mores that were designed to protect women during the days when men had all the economic and political power are still around, although slightly watered down. Violence against women is taken much more seriously than violence against men, women’s healthcare is subsidized compared to mens, men who don’t earn enough are far more stigmatized than women, etc.

    I don’t think this has made women happier, or made their lives better, but no doubt they are in aggregate more powerful than men. Just because the majority of powerful individuals are men, that doesn’t mean that men in aggregate have more power than women in aggregate–they used to, but now they don’t.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @SimpleSong

    Women's reproductive strategies are different from a men's. An attractive fertile low status female has the advantage over a low fertility high status one. Status is useful for things such as quality of mate and provisioning but most women can have children if they want and if they do, there are benefits in society they can avail themselves to that helps them get by. A man's world is much more competitive and is 'winner take all'.

    This is why women gravitate towards neo-socialism. A progressive income tax scrapes income away from the winners and gives it to the bottom 3 quintiles thereby taking money from primarily alpha men and subsidizing largely mediocre women. It also acts as an insurance policy for all women who's circumstances change (like when they get older). Having been given a 5 second head start, there are certain things women don't or are much less willing to do such as working at night, traveling, dangerous jobs, etc. They don't need to because there is an endless supply of low paid office jobs that will pay enough money that they can survive.

    That reproductive path is not open to men. If they earn less than their partners, they are subjected to a diminished position within their family and are much more likely to be cancelled at some point not of their choosing. Men have to preform, always.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Paul Mendez
    @SimpleSong

    Let me add to your list the fact that life is just physically easier than it was 50 years ago.

    Automobiles and appliances are easier to operate and maintain. Hardware stores are full of “solutions” instead of parts and tools. And there are service providers for every imaginable task.

    50 years ago, my father spent his spare time tuning up the car, fixing the leaky faucet, cutting the grass, cleaning the gutters. Now, all those projects and more are outsourced.

    , @Anonymous
    @SimpleSong

    There is no discussion of the barbarians within or without the gate who really do threaten women. Instead the main “threat” to women is advanced as harassment and equal pay and pronouns etc. and that can be handled by who? Women lawyers and judges. There is zero comprehension of what it takes to defend a society from the real (not metaphorical) physical violence of uncivilized men. Our women may learn this when it is too late. I note these feminizing trends are not pronounced in Israel, where the men still serve in combat units and for good reason.

  81. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps.

    But the real big story of 21st century audio/visual infotainment is the rise and rise of YouTube – with its largely amateur/volunteer content makers, who for the most part are male, and bring with them the archetypal male attributes which more or less transformed the species from root grubbers living in holes in the ground to sedentary, centrally heated lotus eaters luxuriating on couches – that is single minded dedication, focus, self sacrifice, ability and a desire to change things for the better.

    Thus, never minding the bollocks pumped out by terrestrial TV, you can view the most exquisite masterpieces on making mechanical clocks from sheets of brass, expositions on vertebrate evolution, punchy and original political analysis, railroad history and lore etc etc. Being excluded from TV for the sakes of the great goddess of soap opera, ‘celebrity’ bullshit and makeover shows, men have done what men have always done, and made their own private little world.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @The Plutonium Kid
    @Anonymous


    Being excluded from TV for the sakes of the great goddess of soap opera ...
     
    Actually, it looks to me like soap operas are dying. There's only four of them left, and at least one of those is hanging by a thread. They have too much competition from talk shows like Oprah and The View.

    Considering how exploited women are supposed to be, it seems strange that, even today, so much daytime TV targets women.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms

  82. Why did you have to sue anyone to watch a TV show? Is that like when nations use to “sue for peace” when they were losing a war? I never understood that one either.

  83. @Dnought
    @Steve Sailer

    Screenwriting seems to me an incredibly tough business. I'm an engineer not a writer, so I guess it would seem that way to me, but I have a cousin who was a producer for CNN and Fox News, who was always trying to sell scripts he had written, either for new programs or established shows. At one point he quit his CNN gig so he could devote all his time to screenwriting-but he never really broke through, and ended up taking the Fox News gig after a couple of (mostly fruitless) years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JackOH

    It’s tough.

    I only tried it for a half year or so at the end of the 1990s. Maybe if the show that gave me a nice check for one script hadn’t been canceled I would have stuck with it.

    But I noticed I don’t really care that much about making up fictional stories. I have a hard time remembering plots I came up with. Most people who write movie reviews would like to be writing fiction, so they always include complex plot summaries as if they are Wikipedia editors. But also not give away the spoilers! But I don’t much like telling stories, so I try to sum up a movie’s plot in 30 or 40 words.

    Perhaps getting into an evening class at a first rate program like USC is the best way in. They pay veterans who are real screenwriters enough money to teach the courses and some of the students in each class are sizable talents, so if you are good enough you can get advice on your writing from people who are going to be pros pretty soon themselves.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer


    Maybe if the show that gave me a nice check for one script hadn’t been canceled I would have stuck with it.
     
    If you don't mind my asking, how much is "a nice check"? 5 figures?
  84. Anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @ATBOTL

    Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense. I’m old enough to remember YMCA jokes. And the YMCA invented basketball as a sport that could be played on small city playgrounds or just a hoop screwed to a door frame. And just one person could enjoy playing. It’s really a wonderful wonderful sport. Keeps the kids occupied for hours. Even if the bouncing of the ball is noisy. 🏀. And parents don’t have to organize a team and car pool or chaperone. Just point the kids to the nearest playground or screw a hoop to the garage door frame. Cheaper than a swimming pool and no worries about some visitor drowning..

    Your theory is valid but I don’t know if it’s completely true. WASP doesn’t mean an effet petite bourgeois conformist. Just means British Protestant. Not even German or Scandinavian Protestant. The southerner share croppers miners and mill workers were as much WASPS as the Gentry who exploited them.

    I don’t have a TV but I get ADs with Triple A health insurance bank etc junk. Blackety blacketty black. Dump them never read them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Desiderius

    There was nothing valid about that guy’s “theory”; he’s flat out lying. Northeast WASPS have always been the image of athleticism and hegemonic male dominance in America. Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about. On the contrary, they were seen as rather dimunitive and inert.

    Also, the women’s suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp). Feminism and suffrage are anithetical to WASP values, it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in. In keeping with their egalitarian, matriarchical roots and ancestry.

    • Disagree: Dnought
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism,

    Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial?

    Replies: @Alden, @gandydancer

    , @mc23
    @Anonymous

    Huh? The Irish were known for digging the canals, building the railroads and mining coal in this country. Not to mention fighting and drinking is an Irish stereotype.

    When my brother was married to a troublesome Irishwomen years ago he was counseled by her family and friends that he had to smack her around , it's just what you do, like in the movie "The Quiet Man".
    He got divorced instead.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Agathoklis
    @Anonymous

    Prime candidate for the most uneducated post in 2021.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    >women's suffrage was mostly Jewish
    Impossible. The years don't line up. Not only had Jew influence via newspapers not started yet, the people we think of as American Jews hadn't arrived yet. The traditional origin point of women's suffrage in America was a protestant bible conference.

    , @Dnought
    @Anonymous


    Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about.
     
    By 1885, according to statistics compiled by Hall of Fame historian Lee Allen, more than 40 percent of all major-league players claimed Irish ancestry

    https://sabr.org/journal/article/the-green-and-the-blue-the-irish-american-umpire-1880-1965/

    Back around the turn of the century it was pretty much common knowledge that the Irish were pro baseball players far in excess of their proportion of the population. An Irish ballplayer was almost as much of a stereotype as an Irish cop.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

  85. @anon
    I sued to watch an HBO sports satire sitcom called Arliss that never got very good ratings.

    Seems pretty extreme to take HBO to court over watching a TV show. How did that all work out?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Warner

    It’s a seldom-used, and confusing, expression. It means he was whining and complaining about it, not filing legal documents.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I believe the ghetto equivalent would be "jonesing". Steve was always be dribbling.

    https://youtu.be/moeY_ZGWD5o

  86. Anonymous[769] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest007
    Government will eventually become the domain of women. When healthcare, education, pensions, social work squeeze out the government budgets for everything else, why would any male be interested in elected office or running campaigns. As districts are all drawn to elect someone from a particular community of interest, the primaries will be the only meaningful elections and will women will win most of them.

    Image in about 30 years where the AOC, MTG, Pelosi, or Jayapal types will be the majority of Congress and the Senate.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Image in about 30 years where the AOC, MTG, Pelosi, or Jayapal types will be the majority of Congress and the Senate.

    I dunno…. Competitive men can do business together reasonably well, but competitive women have a much harder time of it. Their disputes are too personal.

    Case in point… Before the last UK general election which sealed the deal, there was a desperate attempt to prevent Brexit by forming an (I am not making this up) all-female ‘government of national unity’ (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/11/caroline-lucas-calls-for-emergency-female-cabinet-to-block-no-deal-brexit).

    Despite all the plotters passionately agreeing on the principle, this plan swiftly fell apart when none of them could agree who would be in charge.

    • Replies: @Momus
    @Anonymous

    Men form clearly defined vertical hierarchies; women are like chooks with their horizontal group organisations.

    , @guest007
    @Anonymous

    It does not matter how women organize themselves. Healthcare in the U.S. is around 80% female. The same with education, mental health, social work, childcare, and elder care. Eventually the budget requirements of those programs are going to squeeze out everything else.

    What male will want to go into politics to be the tax collector for the nanny state.

  87. @anon
    I sued to watch an HBO sports satire sitcom called Arliss that never got very good ratings.

    Seems pretty extreme to take HBO to court over watching a TV show. How did that all work out?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Warner

    I think it’s a typo for ‘used.’

  88. @Anonymous
    @Alden

    There was nothing valid about that guy's "theory"; he's flat out lying. Northeast WASPS have always been the image of athleticism and hegemonic male dominance in America. Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about. On the contrary, they were seen as rather dimunitive and inert.

    Also, the women's suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp). Feminism and suffrage are anithetical to WASP values, it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in. In keeping with their egalitarian, matriarchical roots and ancestry.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @mc23, @Agathoklis, @J.Ross, @Dnought

    Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism,

    Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial?

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Steve Sailer

    Joe DiMaggio not only the mostest bestest baseball player of his time but macho enough to marry movie star goddess Marilyn Monroe and wasn’t small but 6 ft? 2 of his brothers were local base ball stars too.

    Speaking of sports teams. An organization that monitors racism and offensive ness in college logos has declared the Norte Dame Leprechaun one of the 4 most offensive in America. And the football team slogan the Fighting Irish the most racist slogan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @gandydancer
    @Steve Sailer

    Your 2nd-to-last paragraph in this article has lost it's trailing tip.

    As mentioned upthread, the article also includes "I sued" when "I used" was meant.

    And, while I'm at it, your posts contain a "Website" link that goes to "We're sorry. That page could not be found."

  89. Was Donna Karan a WASP?

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Gordo

    Google muthafuckuh, do you use it?

    Of course Donna Karan isn't a WASP. Her mother's maiden name was Rabinowitz and her father was born Faskowitz.

  90. @El Dato
    @Mark in BC

    Anno tried to warn us

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RHL4eTwYaY

    Replies: @Mandrill with a hand drill

    Disgustingly stupid.

  91. @Pissedoffalese
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Al Franken? I detest the guy on other grounds, but that stupid picture was just a gag, same thing that was always acceptable from comedians until everybody got the vapors. He may have done other things, too. I don't recall.

    What would the wokies say of Benny Hill today? That guy was funny. Franken was not, but he wasn't any different than anyone else within American alleged comedy.

    Replies: @(((They))) Live, @J.Ross, @JohnnyWalker123, @gandydancer

    Benny Hill’s show seems to have been cancelled because the woke idiots of the day didn’t like it, Benny was promoting rape apparently, I suspect Hill died early because of it

  92. I saw it happen in the Army. Seemed like it happened overnight, but really it was over the span of maybe five years. Was an Army brat from the early 70s on, then went through commissioning and was an officer in the 1990s, 2000s, and early 2010s. Growing up in the 70s and 80s the Vietnam vets still on active duty were all tough, masculine, great dads and neighbors. By the time I was an officer most of those guys had retired and the generation that led the all volunteer military had to soften up their approach a bit for retention purposes, and it just stuck. As more jobs were opened to women, the trend accelerated. At unit hail & farewells, occasionally a guy would get choked up in his farewell speech as he rotated to a new assignment, and those of us in the back of the room would roll their eyes. By the 2000s there were Command Sergeants Major openly weeping in front of hundreds of troops as they accepted their PCS awards. Crazy. Hugging also became a big thing. My guess is it started at in theater memorial services (understandable) and just migrated into a general greeting. Haven’t seen a guy in a few months? Big, increasingly gay hug. “You’re alive!” (Even though both are REMF desk jockeys). As a retiree I went to a recruiting function aimed at educating CEOs on the military and getting some kind of undefined help from them in carrying the recruiting message to the public. The general in charge didn’t say more than a dozen words to any CEO; he spent the entire function hugging female captains and majors, looking at pictures of the three kids they had while on active duty, etc.
    Ok, rant complete. Bottomline – yes, the culture has been feminized, and Oprah-ized to boot. If everyone was happier, it might be ok. But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

    • Replies: @Dube
    @Enzo the Baker

    Enzo, I sent your comment to a screenwriter friend who is an AF base commander's son, and got this quick reply:


    There has been a rather common trait in a lot of films about the military--- they all end with scenes with traumatized soldiers having a talk with a female counselor (usually blond) and they struggle to talk about their missing buddies, then they weep at the end of a session. As liberal and progressive as I think of myself to be, I am repulsed by this trend. And a few of the movie-makers are veterans.
     
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Enzo the Baker


    But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.
     
    That's the essence of it. In a masculinized world, both men and women are happy. In a feminized world, both men and women are miserable.
    , @Anonymous
    @Enzo the Baker


    But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

     

    Why are the women miserable about it?

    Replies: @IgorStravinsky

    , @Uncle Dan
    @Enzo the Baker

    I don’t see any problem here —- as long as this new military doesn’t have to fight.

  93. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    If you think the Victorian Era wasn't feminine, you weren't paying attention. It was all knicknacks and ruffles and sentimentalism. Men treated women like they were made of china and catered to them. The Victorian Era was an oddity, a strange contrast to the masculinity of the Georgian Era. However, I suspect the intervening Napoleonic Wars killed off many of the gruff, masculine men, so they didn't survive to pass on their genes. The Napoleonic Wars went on for an entire generation, so had its pronounced genetic effect on the survivors.

    The gruff masculinity of the 1940s and 1950s was a post-war anomaly caused by the fact that a large amount of the male population had gone through boot camp and had masculinity rammed down their throats. The culture of masculinity was abandoned as soon as their Boomer sons could grow their hair long and dodge the Vietnam draft.

    To some extent, the modern culture of femininity was aided and abetted by those Boomer men because they were uncomfortable living the hypermasculine life their fathers did, so they agreed to let women assume many traditional masculine roles. Boomer men didn't want to be stuck doing it all themselves.

    I might add that a generation of more aggressive American males were likely killed in World War 2, and they never had offspring at all. Boomer sons had fathers who likely skewed a lot more cautious in battle, and they stayed away from the shooting as much as possible. Their sons are just their like fathers.

    Replies: @anon, @guest007, @Spud Boy

    Nice theory, but American males didn’t much de in WW2, Vietnam was an obvious loser war. It was a proxy war (at best) that exhausted the huge but waning prestige of the US military. Boomer males wanted a cause, but not so unattractive.
    During WW2, women knew better then to get involved with the draft dogers and 4Fs. Just like boomer females avoided Vietnam Vets.
    Rich American WW2 males joined the RAF but 25 years later, boomer males joined the Air National Guard. IE, Joe Kennedy Jr vs George Bush.

  94. Hysteria

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1430433777285795841

    Reality: People in the supermarket are masked (more or less, except the ones who are having beer at the bar or those look like bandits from a western), but otherwise don’t care much.

    Some diehards (Saddam’s remnants?) are still wearing masks in open areas.

  95. Most “feminine” cultural traits are in fact luxury traits. They are therefore more common in cultures that can choose to do more than maximise grain output or tractor production. This is why men who feel too uncomfortable with them have to posit a hysterical fantasy of a fictional apocalypse to justify arguing against them.

    “Oh my god, we’re all going to die if you continue to wear bright colours, those are the hard facts of life. Wearing bright colours means we will all die horribly right now. Bright colours are for overly-emotional people who won’t survive and do rigourous analysis like me. I am very calm but we are all going to die unless we live like my steel logic says is the only realist way. It isn’t that I can’t breathe (gasping for breath) it is that you can’t breath (to someone chilling out.)

    Being lectured on supposed female hysteria by a man in the grip of their own extreme hysterics is enough to push many young women to more radical feminist currents.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Most “feminine” cultural traits are in fact luxury traits.
     
    I think that is probably true. The fact is that lots of men like the idea of struggling against difficult odds rather than lolling around on a chaise longue being passed peeled grapes by their concubines.
  96. @Alden
    @ATBOTL

    Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense. I’m old enough to remember YMCA jokes. And the YMCA invented basketball as a sport that could be played on small city playgrounds or just a hoop screwed to a door frame. And just one person could enjoy playing. It’s really a wonderful wonderful sport. Keeps the kids occupied for hours. Even if the bouncing of the ball is noisy. 🏀. And parents don’t have to organize a team and car pool or chaperone. Just point the kids to the nearest playground or screw a hoop to the garage door frame. Cheaper than a swimming pool and no worries about some visitor drowning..

    Your theory is valid but I don’t know if it’s completely true. WASP doesn’t mean an effet petite bourgeois conformist. Just means British Protestant. Not even German or Scandinavian Protestant. The southerner share croppers miners and mill workers were as much WASPS as the Gentry who exploited them.

    I don’t have a TV but I get ADs with Triple A health insurance bank etc junk. Blackety blacketty black. Dump them never read them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Desiderius

    Your theory is valid but I don’t know if it’s completely true. WASP doesn’t mean an effet petite bourgeois conformist. Just means British Protestant. Not even German or Scandinavian Protestant. The southerner share croppers miners and mill workers were as much WASPS as the Gentry who exploited them.

    Across all ethnicities and groups there’s a lot more people who can live like the former now and so a lot less who must live like the latter.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Read the comment again. Southern share croppers were, not share croppers are. Do some southerners still refer to themselves as gentry? Or was it more a 19th century term?

  97. @Dnought
    @Steve Sailer

    Screenwriting seems to me an incredibly tough business. I'm an engineer not a writer, so I guess it would seem that way to me, but I have a cousin who was a producer for CNN and Fox News, who was always trying to sell scripts he had written, either for new programs or established shows. At one point he quit his CNN gig so he could devote all his time to screenwriting-but he never really broke through, and ended up taking the Fox News gig after a couple of (mostly fruitless) years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JackOH

    D-writing is hard; writing for publication harder still; writing and getting well-paid for it-damned difficult.

    I used to deflect the occasional praise I’d get for the smalltime reviews, letters, and essays I’d published by saying: “The writing’s easy. The thinking beforehand is really hard.” Half-truth, of course.

    I didn’t learn the value of line-by-line editing until my late 20s, which, among other things, can help you better judge the strength or weakness of what you’re trying to say.

    Writers who achieve both popular acclaim and critical success deserve every penny of their earnings, even if I personally don’t like their stuff.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JackOH


    I didn’t learn the value of line-by-line editing
     
    What is line-by-line editing?

    Replies: @JackOH

    , @Stan Adams
    @JackOH

    I'm a frustrated novelist myself.

    Hey, how about an iSteve story contest? I'll kick things off with an excerpt from my untitled novella in which Satan sends his reincarnated son (Adolf Hitler) to recruit gay skinheads to kill black people to start a racial war. (Naturally, it's a comedy.)

    When Hitler identifies a promising recruit, he shoots him in the head, sending him straight to Hell. (He does not collect 200 dollars.) We pick up the story in progress.



    Maury Feldstein, Satan's lawyer, sighed as he knocked on the door to his boss's office. He hated being stuck in Hell, but at least his job came with certain perks. Not many Hell-dwellers were allowed to work in air-conditioned rooms. Even fewer had ceiling fans in their bedrooms.

    "Come in," Lucifer said.

    Maury opened the door and walked in. He nodded at the Lord of the Underworld, then tensed up when he saw the other guy in the room.

    Standing in front of the devil's desk was a 6'5", 250-pound, shirtless skinhead with one big swastika and lots of little swastikas tattooed all over his muscular, ripped torso. He looked to be in his late twenties, maybe early thirties.

    "Uh ... I can come back later, if you'd like."

    "No, Maury, I need to talk to you. Sit down, please - both of you."

    Maury did as he was told. So did the other guy.

    "Maury, I'd like you to meet Rolf Lundgren. He's new here - he was shot in the head about 15 minutes ago. Rolf, this is Maury Feldstein, my lawyer."

    Maury held out his hand. The skinhead nearly crushed it with his powerful grip.

    "Nice to meet you, Rolf."

    "Likewise, Maury."

    Lucifer took yet another drag on yet another cigarette, then went on with his spiel.

    "Now, Maury, I know that Rolf here is a Nazi, and you're a Jew, but I think the two of you can put all of that nonsense behind you. Don't you both agree?"

    "Yes," Maury said through clinched teeth.

    "Yes," Rolf said through equally-clinched teeth.

    "Good," Lucifer said. "The great thing about Hell is that we can all be different. We have all kinds of folks down here - Jews, Nazis, atheists, agnostics, Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Scientologists - a veritable rainbow of sinners. Up there in Heaven, all you'll find are drones who mindlessly obey God's directives. They're all so ... boring."

    "Do all Jews go to Hell?" Rolf asked.

    "No, of course not," Lucifer answered. "Only the ones who kill their ex-girlfriends, chop them up, and feed them to the dog."

    "Well, maybe we should tell Rolf the full story..."

    "All right, Maury. You were a small-time corporate lawyer who somehow snagged a hot-looking blonde chick as your f**k-buddy. But then she met your cousin - a big-shot at Goldman Sachs - at your family reunion and dumped you for him. You couldn't live with that fact, so you turned her into dog food. I understand. It's not because you're Jewish. It has nothing to do with anything other than your own personal depravity."

    "Well, thank you, Lucifer. I appreciate that disclaimer."

    "You're welcome. May I go on?"

    Both men nodded. They were not inclined to argue - after all, they were sitting in the presence of a being who could make their eternal damnation a lot more bearable, if they won his favor.

    "The thing is that Rolf here was murdered by none other than my own spawn."

    Maury tensed up again. He knew who Lucifer was talking about, but he didn't want to think about it.

    "You do know who I'm talking about, don't you, Maury?"

    "David Hasselhoff?"

    "No, not David. Der Führer."

    "I see."

    "I had no idea he was the *real* Hitler," Rolf said. "I thought he was just a crazy guy who looked a lot like him. That being said, I'm pretty disappointed. If I'd been a German in the 1930s, I never would have voted for him, let alone gassed Jews for him. The guy's a p***y."

    "He's my son," Lucifer said sharply.

    Neither Rolf nor Maury spoke for several long seconds. Lucifer finished his cigarette and then promptly lit another. He sniffed loudly before going on.

    "But you're right, Rolf - he is a p***y. He made a real mess of things in Germany. That's why I've had to keep him on such a tight leash for so many years. But I think he's learned his lesson and he can be very useful to us."

    Maury, normally so cautious and restrained, could not hold back any longer.

    "Lucifer, what is all of this about? I mean, Hitler, Rolf - why am I getting involved in all of this? You know how I feel about Nazis, don't you?"

    "You know I do," Lucifer replied, obviously annoyed. "But it's my call, and I've made it. Now let me speak."

    Maury took a deep breath and nodded. He mouthed (but did not truly speak) the word sorry.

    "The bottom line, Maury, is that I'm assigning you to work with Rolf. I'm temporarily reincarnating you both for earthside duty. You'll be continuing our recruitment efforts among the gay skinheads."

    Maury's head twitched slightly as he absorbed this news. He hadn't stepped foot on earth since Tuesday, May 19, 1998 - the day he'd jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge.

    "Rolf will pose as a male escort. You will pose as his sugar daddy - although you probably won't be the *daddy*, if you get my drift. We'll alter your facial features to give you a Nordic appearance."

    Maury gagged.

    "I have to pose as Rolf's *lover*?" he hissed. "Okay, but I'm not..."

    "I know, Maury. You're not gay. Carolyn was hot. But you must be able to convince the other skinheads that your relationship with Rolf is genuine. If that means you have to bend over..."

    "No way, Lucifer. Forget it."

    "Maury, you will submit to Rolf, if and when it becomes necessary to do so in order to maintain the illusion that you are lovers. Do you understand?"

    "Ugh. This is unbelievable. What's in it for me?"

    Lucifer sighed. He was almost ready for a third cigarette.

    "You've already got a ceiling fan in your bedroom, Maury ... how'd you like an air-conditioner for your whole apartment? Hell, how about a freezer for your kitchen, if you don't screw this up?"

    "A *freezer*? Really?"

    "Yes, an honest-to-Lucifer freezer. But only if you do what I need you to do."

    Maury glanced again at Rolf's muscular torso, then looked up at his piercing blue eyes. Rolf smiled. Maury felt his stomach churn.

    "Hey, even if you were gay, you'd never be my type," Rolf said. "I'm not into bitter aging queens at all. Even the ones with money. But I'll f**k 'em to next Thursday if I have to. I can totally pull this off."

    "I'm happy to know that," Maury said. "I'm overjoyed."

    "Good," Satan said. "Now get out of my sight - both of you. Report immediately to Dr. Kevorkian for plastic surgery. Maury, tell him to give you a pretty Aryan mouth."

    "I don't need plastic surgery," Rolf said.

    "Yes, you do," Maury said. "You have a huge gaping hole in your forehead from the bullet that killed you."

    "Oh. Well, I guess I'd better go."

    "Good luck," Satan said. "Now scram."

    Rolf rose swiftly and strode forcefully into the hallway. Maury got up slowly and staggered uneasily toward the door, as if he'd been gut-punched.

    "It won't be so bad," Satan said cheerfully. "Just lie back and think of Israel."

    Maury stumbled out of the office and closed the door behind him. Struggling to regain his footing, he moved at a snail's pace toward the coffee machine.

    "I should have married Judy Morgenstern," Maury thought. "My mother was right - I never should have dated shiksas. If I hadn't dated shiksas, then I wouldn't have ended up with Carolyn as my girlfriend. If I hadn't ended up with Carolyn as my girlfriend, then she wouldn't have dumped me for Larry. If she hadn't dumped me for Larry, then I wouldn't have killed her. If I hadn't killed her, and then jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, then I wouldn't have gone to Hell. If I hadn't gone to Hell, then Lucifer wouldn't have hired me as his lawyer. And if Lucifer had never hired me as his lawyer, then I wouldn't be stuck working with Rolf the 6'5" sphincter-shredding skinhead."

    Finally reaching the machine, he stuck a $100 bill in the slot. That was good for a small cup - just a couple of sips, really.

    "Of course," he thought, "if I had killed Larry instead of Carolyn, then maybe she would have come back to me. You never know..."

  98. @Anonymous

    and especially among new immigrant groups targeted by WASP feminism
     
    Hey Steve, what’s your hang up with Americans of English descent? They founded this country, you know, and are about as pure non-tribal “citizenists” as they come. “WASP” is a racial slur. Is your keyboard broken and unable to type “English,” “Anglo-Saxons,” and “core Americans”?

    Replies: @Anon, @David Davenport, @Coemgen

    Hey Steve, what’s your hang up with Americans of English descent?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

  99. @Anon
    Most of what is on TV is crap pure and simple. TV was better when it was silly and almost surreal, like in the 60's with Green Acres, The Munsters, Get Smart etc. Now it is too preachy and agenda filled.

    Replies: @guest007, @Uncle Dan

    Winner of the “get off my lawn” daily award. The production values were so bad in most TV shows is enough to turn off younger generations.

  100. @Triteleia Laxa
    Most "feminine" cultural traits are in fact luxury traits. They are therefore more common in cultures that can choose to do more than maximise grain output or tractor production. This is why men who feel too uncomfortable with them have to posit a hysterical fantasy of a fictional apocalypse to justify arguing against them.

    "Oh my god, we're all going to die if you continue to wear bright colours, those are the hard facts of life. Wearing bright colours means we will all die horribly right now. Bright colours are for overly-emotional people who won't survive and do rigourous analysis like me. I am very calm but we are all going to die unless we live like my steel logic says is the only realist way. It isn't that I can't breathe (gasping for breath) it is that you can't breath (to someone chilling out.)"

    Being lectured on supposed female hysteria by a man in the grip of their own extreme hysterics is enough to push many young women to more radical feminist currents.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Most “feminine” cultural traits are in fact luxury traits.

    I think that is probably true. The fact is that lots of men like the idea of struggling against difficult odds rather than lolling around on a chaise longue being passed peeled grapes by their concubines.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
  101. @AnotherDad
    The really toxic brew is having minoritarianism--rather than a healthy nationalism/civilizationalism/traditionalism--as your dominant ideology, so female compliance/status seeking reinforces parrots that while throwing in misplaced (childless/low-fertility) feminine nurturing and emotionalism.

    You end up with "dead baby on the beach ... we must do something!", "they're keeping them in cages!!!" and the classic "refugees welcome". And Social media just provides a super-hen-circle to make it worse.

    Women's concerns, interests and "mental approach" simply aren't what a healthy nations' political life looks like.


    Women--especially young women--were a lot more emotionally healthy when the day started with a few hours of milking the cows, gathering the eggs, getting breakfast ready before getting on to the rest of the day's work. (Men emotionally healthier with physical farm work as well.)

    But it's an open question how well any culture can manage modernity--all the technological innovations that have dramatically reduced work and cut mortality--and still have sane sensible females in a relatively low-fertility (even at replacement) environment.

    The West has failed. The Chinese may do better--maybe.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Tono Bungay, @James J O'Meara, @Mike Tre, @Technite78

    In an essay available online, Joseph Sobran wrote similarly: “There are two possible basic attitudes toward social reality. One of these, as I say, has many names, but I will call, it, for convenience, Nativism: a prejudice in favor of the native, the normal, and so forth, reaching an extreme in lynchings and pogroms. Its most ghastly form was German National Socialism. The other attitude I am forced, for lack of a better word–or any word at all–to call Alienism: a prejudice in favor of the alien, the marginal, the dispossesed, the eccentric, reaching an extreme in the attempt to “build a new society” by destroying the basic institutions of the native. The most terrible fulfillment of this principle is Communism.” —– http://www.wildwestcycle.com/f_pensees.htm

  102. Eh, the guys will always congregate elsewhere: Substack seems to be doing a good job attracting hard-nosed writers and the guys who want to read them. This is the way culture always worked, some Columbus struck out a new cultural frontier and the women and children followed.

    Advertising, cable TV, and even paywalled media businesses are dying media, so it’s smart for the guys to leave the clueless women and other affirmative action hires those ruins, and while those ninnies exult over taking over those “name” institutions, set to work building new ones that actually matter online, which is the new frontier today.

  103. @Achmed E. Newman
    The sexual harassment allegation thereat is indeed an example of almost unlimited, capricious power that women have in the workplace. For the home life, for the married man at least, there is the threat of Family Law and CPS.

    I can't blame any man for staying away from marriage right now. The best advice, "choose wisely", doesn't always guarantee good results. As far as the media goes, Anon-#266 put it simply - don't participate as a consumer. Don't participate as a producer unless you are on your own like iSteve here.

    Not to worry - it's all gonna come to a head when the financial STHF happens. I don't want to say I'm looking forward to that, but I will enjoy a number of aspects of it, I gotta admit ...

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Forbes, @epebble, @AnotherDad

    Meanwhile, Acchie, I’ve been to four weddings the last two years with two coming up next year. All of em 25-30 or so, all MIT/Harvard/Boston U educated. Not one wedded couple a step up the ladder for one or the other, the highly paid and educated only marry each other. I’m sure there’s an anthropological story there, a story of a weird form of ‘inbreeding’ of a sort, more complicated than Idiocracy. Strange nobody marries up or down anymore. Women never marry down but you rarely see it in the men anymore either. Not in my lofty circles anyway.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jim Christian

    The various classes in the United States are more separated in every sense of the word- physically, economically and culturely - than in past.

    They just don't interact much, and when they do, they have nothing in common.

    It's why the Managerial Class - your buddies - have completely abandoned the white working class.

  104. Good points. Except I’m pretty sure the 140 year old women’s suffrage which grew out of the abolish slavery movement wasn’t Jewish. Mostly Buttinsky liberal WASP ladies.

    The present feminazi movement going on 60 years now was Jewish. The first feminazis were all jews. The founder, Betty Friedan was an organizer of the Young Socialist of America in college. SLA was hard left. Advocated a lot more than ordinary European style socialism. More like Castro style socialism.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Alden

    Krazy Kate Millett was Irish Catholic.

  105. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Alden


    Your theory is valid but I don’t know if it’s completely true. WASP doesn’t mean an effet petite bourgeois conformist. Just means British Protestant. Not even German or Scandinavian Protestant. The southerner share croppers miners and mill workers were as much WASPS as the Gentry who exploited them.
     
    Across all ethnicities and groups there's a lot more people who can live like the former now and so a lot less who must live like the latter.

    Replies: @Alden

    Read the comment again. Southern share croppers were, not share croppers are. Do some southerners still refer to themselves as gentry? Or was it more a 19th century term?

  106. Need a 1607 Project to recognize the rock upon which this country was truly founded:

    Nicotine

    Is there a pharmacologist around who can explain how much potential this flush Niacin has to return us to our formerly tobacco-stained greatness?

  107. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism,

    Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial?

    Replies: @Alden, @gandydancer

    Joe DiMaggio not only the mostest bestest baseball player of his time but macho enough to marry movie star goddess Marilyn Monroe and wasn’t small but 6 ft? 2 of his brothers were local base ball stars too.

    Speaking of sports teams. An organization that monitors racism and offensive ness in college logos has declared the Norte Dame Leprechaun one of the 4 most offensive in America. And the football team slogan the Fighting Irish the most racist slogan.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Speaking of sports teams. An organization that monitors racism and offensive ness in college logos has declared the Norte Dame Leprechaun one of the 4 most offensive in America. And the football team slogan the Fighting Irish the most racist slogan.

     

    To clarify, it was a survey taken by a T-shirt company. My guess is that most of the replies condemning the leprechaun came from the state of Michigan.

    At any rate, as the name suggests Notre Dame was founded by Frenchmen, not Irishmen. It's cultural appropriation. ND should be the Teddies, after their first president, Edward Sorin. He told students not to celebrate his birthday, but his patron saint's day. (They did, too, for many years-- Oct. 13.)

    Several of the entries were deemed offensive because they were too good. The Virginia Cavaliers were #10. Can't have people celebrating that. Two separate "Pistol Pete" mascots are on that list.

    The Devils Lake Satans offended in a different manner than did the Pekin Chinks or the Coachella Valley Arabs did.

    Crowdsourcing offense is not so good an idea after all. The company retreated.


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2021/08/25/asu-sparky-sun-devil-creepiest-most-offensive-mascots-lists/5583894001/
  108. @Alden
    @ATBOTL

    Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense. I’m old enough to remember YMCA jokes. And the YMCA invented basketball as a sport that could be played on small city playgrounds or just a hoop screwed to a door frame. And just one person could enjoy playing. It’s really a wonderful wonderful sport. Keeps the kids occupied for hours. Even if the bouncing of the ball is noisy. 🏀. And parents don’t have to organize a team and car pool or chaperone. Just point the kids to the nearest playground or screw a hoop to the garage door frame. Cheaper than a swimming pool and no worries about some visitor drowning..

    Your theory is valid but I don’t know if it’s completely true. WASP doesn’t mean an effet petite bourgeois conformist. Just means British Protestant. Not even German or Scandinavian Protestant. The southerner share croppers miners and mill workers were as much WASPS as the Gentry who exploited them.

    I don’t have a TV but I get ADs with Triple A health insurance bank etc junk. Blackety blacketty black. Dump them never read them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Desiderius

    No, WASP means Wealthy Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

    British (as opposed to English, i.e. Anglish) came into vogue with the creation of the United Kingdom as a way to include the Celts and other primeval peoples of the British Isles (including vaguely depending who you ask the Scots-Irish and even the Irish for the particularly large-minded and/or Ulster). The whole purpose of the coinage of the term WASP was to reverse that inclusion. It serves that purpose to this day among the WASPs themselves.

    Again, this movie is the ur-text for understanding how the phenomenon described by ended up playing out:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/movies/19harv.html

    Very much worth watching. That period was the high water mark of white ethnic (and this very much includes Redneck Scots-Irish along with the Poles, and Micks, and Wops) integration into the American Ruling Class. Note: the Buscaren character was best buds with W. This was the beginning of the reaction against that integration.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Desiderius

    When did it change from white to wealthy? I've heard white since the sixties.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  109. @Steve Sailer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    What's the name of the then common lawsuit a woman could throw at her ex-fiancee if he backed out of marriage? It played a big role in the novel "The French Lieutenant's Woman," which was a big deal 50 years ago but seems to be forgotten today.

    Replies: @Catdompa, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Dube, @mc23

    There was also a legal remedy called Alienation of Affections where a spouse could bring an action against a 3rd party for damaging a marriage.

  110. @Coemgen
    https://knowledgecenter.csg.org/kc/content/voter-turnout-female-voters-has-exceeded-male-voters-presidential-elections-1980

    also implied here:

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/women-won-the-right-to-vote-100-years-ago-they-didnt-start-voting-differently-from-men-until-1980/

    Replies: @Feryl

    1980 is also when female high Ed attendance reached parity with men. 1980 is also when researchers began to detect declining testosterone levels in males.

    You could make an argument that The West hasn’t really changed all that much worse over the last 40 years, but rather, has seen many negative trends just get worse:

    -inequality (most visible in the now massive homeless population)
    -obesity levels/more sedentary lifestyles
    -tech innovation focused on bread and circuses (social media, smart phones, high def TV)
    -falling standards of propriety (more swearing, unflattering fashion trends, more loud and unpleasant speaking voices)
    -uppity minorities (according to traditional numbers and representation) gaining cultural dominance

    Due to an aging population, outright crime is not as bad as it was in the 70’s and 80’s (the rise in crime began when 1940’s births became adults in the 60’s, and ended in the mid-1990’s when the last born Boomers reached their 30’s). Whites are now so old that invariably the much younger black and Hispanic population dominates crime (that being said, the scale of the late 80’s/90’s baby boom still isn’t comparable to the baby boom of the 1940’s-mid 1960’s, so we don’t have quite the youth-quake of the 1960’s-1980’s. I sometimes wonder if the nostalgia of those decades is based on the fact that youth cultural dominance is much more vibrant than other periods where the age structure tilted more towards the middle aged and elderly).

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  111. AIs don’t have new generations. Not very feminine of them.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Desiderius

    That's all strongly fugged up.

    Best comment today by an activist regarding upcoming force marriage of the Afghan girls to the bearded Taliban: "Unfortunately Europe cannot take up 35 million Afghans [yeah, waht would the Africans say?]. So we must help them locally as quickly as possible."

    20 years of helping followed by MORE helping sounds like a perfect plan.

  112. @Anonymous
    @Alden

    There was nothing valid about that guy's "theory"; he's flat out lying. Northeast WASPS have always been the image of athleticism and hegemonic male dominance in America. Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about. On the contrary, they were seen as rather dimunitive and inert.

    Also, the women's suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp). Feminism and suffrage are anithetical to WASP values, it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in. In keeping with their egalitarian, matriarchical roots and ancestry.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @mc23, @Agathoklis, @J.Ross, @Dnought

    Huh? The Irish were known for digging the canals, building the railroads and mining coal in this country. Not to mention fighting and drinking is an Irish stereotype.

    When my brother was married to a troublesome Irishwomen years ago he was counseled by her family and friends that he had to smack her around , it’s just what you do, like in the movie “The Quiet Man”.
    He got divorced instead.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @mc23


    When my brother was married to a troublesome Irishwomen years ago
     
    What was troublesome about her?
  113. @Ralph L
    It's weird watching shows with grisly murders like "Criminal Minds", then seeing 90% female-oriented ads, and having a third of the killers be cuckoo women. Then there are all the stupid targettes who knock their attacker down and run away without finishing him off. Like most cop shows, CM degenerated into melodrama around the regular cast.

    Replies: @prosa123

    It’s weird watching shows with grisly murders like “Criminal Minds”, then seeing 90% female-oriented ads, and having a third of the killers be cuckoo women. Then there are all the stupid targettes who knock their attacker down and run away without finishing him off. Like most cop shows, CM degenerated into melodrama around the regular cast.

    For a real laugh, check out the Unresolved Mysteries subreddit. Crimes and disappearances involving women get way more attention than those involving men, and it’s easy to figure out that most forum participants are women. It’s similar in a way to how British writers pioneered murder mystery novels over a century ago even though Britain hardly has any murders.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @prosa123

    It’s similar in a way to how British writers pioneered murder mystery novels over a century ago even though Britain hardly has any murders.

    Britain has homicides, but they tend to be due to domestic arguments or bar fights. Among the sort of people Christie wished to use as characters and in the sort of settings she favored, Britain has hardly any murders.

  114. @Altai
    @Altai

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    This incident from the George Floyd protests in Stockholm that seem to have been mostly attended by young girls between the ages of 17 and 23 is a visual summation of the great awokening.

    I think themes of inclusion and harmony and resolving conflict are a manifestation of and popular among teachers because they are basic maternal instincts for dealing with young children. But, if mapped over society as a whole tend to produce a situation where the host dominant group gets seen as a selfish child that won't share with devastating consequences.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Also, hormonally addled and immature young women want to jump the bones of a George Floyd type veteran barbarian. Trayvon Martin or a Freddy Gray are too undeveloped to be sex symbols for these girls. They prefer them battle scarred.

    You sometimes wonder if PC norms among modern Western white guys have led to a collapse in the perceived dominant masculinity of white guys, even the ones in their 30’s and 40’s. So young white girls are excited by the stone age norms of dark barbarians. There’s also the discomforting reality that women submit to dominant men due to an evolved strategy of survival during rival tribe invasions.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Feryl

    Your comment is complete nonsense from beginning to end. It only reveals your insecurities and what subtly influences your selection bias. George Floyd is about as far away from being a sex symbol to young white women as it is possible to be. Even Harvey Weinstein has probably engendered more lustful thoughts.

    Replies: @Feryl

  115. Birth control and smaller families where more men have only daughters mean men want more for their daughters. The biggest cause of feminism is that men love their daughters

  116. @Steve Sailer
    @Dnought

    It's tough.

    I only tried it for a half year or so at the end of the 1990s. Maybe if the show that gave me a nice check for one script hadn't been canceled I would have stuck with it.

    But I noticed I don't really care that much about making up fictional stories. I have a hard time remembering plots I came up with. Most people who write movie reviews would like to be writing fiction, so they always include complex plot summaries as if they are Wikipedia editors. But also not give away the spoilers! But I don't much like telling stories, so I try to sum up a movie's plot in 30 or 40 words.

    Perhaps getting into an evening class at a first rate program like USC is the best way in. They pay veterans who are real screenwriters enough money to teach the courses and some of the students in each class are sizable talents, so if you are good enough you can get advice on your writing from people who are going to be pros pretty soon themselves.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Maybe if the show that gave me a nice check for one script hadn’t been canceled I would have stuck with it.

    If you don’t mind my asking, how much is “a nice check”? 5 figures?

  117. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Steve's just an agitprop cuck with a massive inferiority complex towards WASP males. Feminism is a New American (Asian, Jewish, Irish, Slavic, Italian) phenomenon that expanded as WASPSl influence declined. This frightens Steve because he himself is, after all, a New American adopted by WASP parents, and exhibits the same New American tendency to blame WASPS for New American behavior.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The WASPs were feminist when it was still difficult to be feminist, before refrigerators, washing machines, vacuum cleaners and automobiles made it easy.

  118. OT:

    NANAIMO, B.C. — Khim Kaing was planning to cook a Cambodian delicacy for dinner — a duck egg. But instead of his culinary plan hatching, his wife discovered a duckling had.

    “He was out of the egg,” says his wife, Leanne Marlow, before showing me a video of the baby bird’s head poking out of the shell. “So it was like, no eating him!”

    The couple decided to keep the duck and named him Tiny.

    • LOL: Hangnail Hans, JMcG
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @MEH 0910

    Tiny!

    , @El Dato
    @MEH 0910

    Wholesome story of the day.

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @MEH 0910

    If he starts squawking about Leonard Pitts or other Men of Color, then eat him.

  119. @Feryl
    @Altai

    Also, hormonally addled and immature young women want to jump the bones of a George Floyd type veteran barbarian. Trayvon Martin or a Freddy Gray are too undeveloped to be sex symbols for these girls. They prefer them battle scarred.

    You sometimes wonder if PC norms among modern Western white guys have led to a collapse in the perceived dominant masculinity of white guys, even the ones in their 30's and 40's. So young white girls are excited by the stone age norms of dark barbarians. There's also the discomforting reality that women submit to dominant men due to an evolved strategy of survival during rival tribe invasions.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Your comment is complete nonsense from beginning to end. It only reveals your insecurities and what subtly influences your selection bias. George Floyd is about as far away from being a sex symbol to young white women as it is possible to be. Even Harvey Weinstein has probably engendered more lustful thoughts.

    • Disagree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Even some black and Hispanic men have been alienated by the Dems because the modern Dems cater to the fantasies of women so much, especially naive young women. Older people and men are more likely to see George Floyd as a monster, girls think he's a misunderstood "victim". SJWism and wokeism are overwhelmingly favored among females under 35 relative to other demographics.

    What makes a sex symbol? I can tell you with ease what guys want in a woman: youth and beauty. What do women want? That's a lot more complicated. You know they've done research showing that when women are most fertile they prefer dominant macho guys. At other phases they prefer a beta provider type.

    Also keep in mind that boy bands are marketed to 11 year old girls*. When the hormones really kick in 4-5 years later, that's when "bad boys" (and bad men) become more exciting.

    *Sailer once posted about musical preferences and gender, and it turned out that males had the most affection for the music they heard when they were 13-14 years old, whereas with girls it was more like 11-12 being the age where they were most in touch with pop music.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  120. I’ve tiresomely noted again and again how the news has become feminized, so you get feelings instead of facts. Social media and the smartphone cemented this feminization of society, along with the growing profusion of female office-holders and bureaucrats. The arrival of Covid merely pulled back the drapes and revealed the rot beneath America’s once masculine culture.

    By the way as far as TV, my exhaustive review of Mannix revealed that even one of the most violent, manly series of the ’70s actually centered many of its plots around a female guest star (or Joe’s secretary Peggy) in emotional turmoil as well as existential danger. The show became a long-running hit I believe because of this appeal to the female audience.

  121. @Anonymous
    @guest007


    Image in about 30 years where the AOC, MTG, Pelosi, or Jayapal types will be the majority of Congress and the Senate.
     
    I dunno.... Competitive men can do business together reasonably well, but competitive women have a much harder time of it. Their disputes are too personal.

    Case in point... Before the last UK general election which sealed the deal, there was a desperate attempt to prevent Brexit by forming an (I am not making this up) all-female 'government of national unity' (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/11/caroline-lucas-calls-for-emergency-female-cabinet-to-block-no-deal-brexit).

    Despite all the plotters passionately agreeing on the principle, this plan swiftly fell apart when none of them could agree who would be in charge.

    Replies: @Momus, @guest007

    Men form clearly defined vertical hierarchies; women are like chooks with their horizontal group organisations.

  122. @Anon
    If you think the Victorian Era wasn't feminine, you weren't paying attention. It was all knicknacks and ruffles and sentimentalism. Men treated women like they were made of china and catered to them. The Victorian Era was an oddity, a strange contrast to the masculinity of the Georgian Era. However, I suspect the intervening Napoleonic Wars killed off many of the gruff, masculine men, so they didn't survive to pass on their genes. The Napoleonic Wars went on for an entire generation, so had its pronounced genetic effect on the survivors.

    The gruff masculinity of the 1940s and 1950s was a post-war anomaly caused by the fact that a large amount of the male population had gone through boot camp and had masculinity rammed down their throats. The culture of masculinity was abandoned as soon as their Boomer sons could grow their hair long and dodge the Vietnam draft.

    To some extent, the modern culture of femininity was aided and abetted by those Boomer men because they were uncomfortable living the hypermasculine life their fathers did, so they agreed to let women assume many traditional masculine roles. Boomer men didn't want to be stuck doing it all themselves.

    I might add that a generation of more aggressive American males were likely killed in World War 2, and they never had offspring at all. Boomer sons had fathers who likely skewed a lot more cautious in battle, and they stayed away from the shooting as much as possible. Their sons are just their like fathers.

    Replies: @anon, @guest007, @Spud Boy

    One’s beliefs about the Victorian era only applies to the women of the highest classes. Of course, those upper class women had a ton of female servants who were not treated as if they were made of china and definitely were not catered to.

    Working class women have always been more likely to work out side the home, where not treated as dainty, and generally had a hard life.

  123. Let’s talk about my hair. I miss it dreadfully.

    And my sideburns – no longer gleaming red but glowering grey.

    Would anyone like to pay me to churn out more of this stuff?

  124. @El Dato
    @Mike Tre

    Studies show that testosterone is only bad for you if you are white. Blacks produce a testosterone-detoxification enzyme (junglefeverase) that transforms testosterone into lady attractor pheromones by methylation.

    Replies: @Goddard

    by methylation

    I think you meant “by mentholation.” Light me up wunna dem Newports, an’ I be stylin’, bitches.

  125. @Stan d Mute
    @3g4me


    Zman has posted about the Gynochracy for quite some time, and in far more honest terms than Cowen or Sailer could manage.
     
    Zman? Anglin has probably used the most honest terms hasn’t he?

    Replies: @Blodgie, @3g4me

    Rollo Tomassi is the current truth speaker when it comes to intersexual dynamics including hypergamy and the dominance of gynocentricism.

    Most guys on this site are way too spergy and normie to understand it though and lack experience with women.

  126. I’ll also add that most men of Unz can’t see female domination of the culture because they are dominated themselves by their controlling wives—and don’t even know it.

    How many of you dorks have said “Happy wife, happy life?”

    • Replies: @anon
    @Blodgie

    Rollo Tomassi

    Agree

    How many of you dorks have said “Happy wife, happy life?”

    Almost all of them.

  127. @Anonymous
    @Alden

    There was nothing valid about that guy's "theory"; he's flat out lying. Northeast WASPS have always been the image of athleticism and hegemonic male dominance in America. Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about. On the contrary, they were seen as rather dimunitive and inert.

    Also, the women's suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp). Feminism and suffrage are anithetical to WASP values, it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in. In keeping with their egalitarian, matriarchical roots and ancestry.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @mc23, @Agathoklis, @J.Ross, @Dnought

    Prime candidate for the most uneducated post in 2021.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Agathoklis



    Also, the women’s suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp).

    ...it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in.
     
    Prime candidate for the most uneducated post in 2021.
     
    Which is why it's anonymous. And perhaps fake.

    Suffragism was big in the West. The first women to vote were Utah's, not Wyoming's. (True. Look it up.) This person is confusing his Zions. True, there were many immigrants there, but mostly from Scandinavia, Holland, and England. E.g., the Romneys.

    That many suffragist leaders had Hebrew names (Susan, Elizabeth, Jane, Josephine, Abigail) was a Biblical thing. Doesn't make 'em Jewish.


    Catholic presence slowed down both suffrage and prohibition in New England and the Middle Atlantic. "Anonymous" failed to mention a single Irish or Italian suffragist.

    In the 1912 Wisconsin vote, there was a huge split between the Protestant Scandinavians and the very mixed Germans. The latter race voted heavily "No", regardless of faith or political orientation.

    They wanted to keep their beer!
  128. @Anon
    If you think the Victorian Era wasn't feminine, you weren't paying attention. It was all knicknacks and ruffles and sentimentalism. Men treated women like they were made of china and catered to them. The Victorian Era was an oddity, a strange contrast to the masculinity of the Georgian Era. However, I suspect the intervening Napoleonic Wars killed off many of the gruff, masculine men, so they didn't survive to pass on their genes. The Napoleonic Wars went on for an entire generation, so had its pronounced genetic effect on the survivors.

    The gruff masculinity of the 1940s and 1950s was a post-war anomaly caused by the fact that a large amount of the male population had gone through boot camp and had masculinity rammed down their throats. The culture of masculinity was abandoned as soon as their Boomer sons could grow their hair long and dodge the Vietnam draft.

    To some extent, the modern culture of femininity was aided and abetted by those Boomer men because they were uncomfortable living the hypermasculine life their fathers did, so they agreed to let women assume many traditional masculine roles. Boomer men didn't want to be stuck doing it all themselves.

    I might add that a generation of more aggressive American males were likely killed in World War 2, and they never had offspring at all. Boomer sons had fathers who likely skewed a lot more cautious in battle, and they stayed away from the shooting as much as possible. Their sons are just their like fathers.

    Replies: @anon, @guest007, @Spud Boy

    “If you think the Victorian Era wasn’t feminine, you weren’t paying attention.”

    Not paying attention? You mean to something that happened before all of us were born? You can claim ignorance of history, but not that we weren’t “paying attention.”

  129. @JohnnyWalker123
    Has any prominent man's career been ruined because he leered at someone?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @40 Lashes Less One, @Pissedoffalese, @Neuday

    Garrison Keillor.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Neuday

    Good call.

    Unfair but so very poetic. Let them all get eaten by the mob of their creation.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Neuday

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/01/23/mpr-says-garrison-keillor-wasnt-fired-for-simply-touching-a-womans-bare-back/


    On Tuesday, MPR, sent a lengthy letter to its members explaining, for the first time, the allegations against Keillor.

    Here’s why the Garrison Keillor allegations stand out.

    “In the allegations she provided to MPR, she did not allege that Garrison touched her back, but did claim that he engaged in other unwanted sexual touching,” MPR president Jon McTaggart said in the letter. He later said that “the woman’s attorney presented us with a 12-page letter detailing many of the alleged incidents, including excerpts of emails and written messages, requests for sexual contact and explicit descriptions of sexual communications and touching.”
     
  130. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    The golden age of UK TV was way way back in the 1960s and 70s, when networks were run almost exclusively be men. It was during this period that British TV made its greatest and most iconic programming – a period never to be repeated.

    During this gilded age, comedians more or less ruled the roost – as we would expect from male dominated TV. In those days mighty men walked the earth. Comedy giants such as Les Dawson, Bernard Manning, Benny Hill, Kenny Everett, the Two Ronnies, Morecambe & Wise, Bob Monkhouse, Bruce Forsyth etc etc were the undisputed giants of prime time.

    Now, British network TV is well and truly female run. Prime time is one shit soap opera after another shit soap opera. Daytime on ITV is dominated by the truly execrable ‘This Morning’ a show guaranteed to make anyone with an IQ above room temperature lose the will to live. Shallow ‘celebrity’ bollocks, rubbishy cooking segments, ‘lifestyle’ crap all interspersed by the endless plugging of a blatant illegal lottery,(‘phone in competition’).

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Anonymous

    I've long thought that movies and television are basically tapped out venues, no longer fields for greatness. The pioneers are long gone and the legacy they created is being picked apart by lesser creatures.

    I quit watching television 20 years ago and I almost never see a new film release, but watch older ones instead. I'm not sure how anyone can endure the plotless, psychedelic cape-shit and visual nonsense that passes for a movie these days---artless spectacles devoid of logic and proportion.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @martin_2
    @Anonymous

    Here's a list of unmissable TV programmes from the 1970's and late 1960's in the UK.

    The World at War
    Civilisation
    The Ascent of Man

    The Benny Hill Show
    Monty Python's Flying Circus
    Steptoe and Son
    Till Death Us Do Part
    Fawlty Towers
    Dad's Army

    The Wednesday Play
    Play for Today
    I Claudius
    The Naked Civil Servant
    Pennies From Heaven and other Plays by Dennis Potter

    What would be included in a list for the twenty first century? Love Island?

    Yet in those days white men dominated the industry, and there was no "diversity".

    A similar and even stronger argument can be made with respect to Pop Music.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa

  131. The progressive Left Democrat platform is biologically female.

    It all starts with one simple fact: women crave attention because women need help. Women are the biologically weaker sex, and they need help to get things done in all times and places, in caves, on the savannah, in villages, in cities, in office towers and in the mall.

    That’s what protests and demonstrations and consciousness-raising and wokeness and MeToo are all about; women (and feminized Left Democrat men) draw attention, and then the men are biologically programmed to pay attention and fix the problem.

    Women and the men who can’t suspend their biological programming to obey are destroying our country. We won’t have one for much longer.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  132. @Stan d Mute
    @3g4me


    Zman has posted about the Gynochracy for quite some time, and in far more honest terms than Cowen or Sailer could manage.
     
    Zman? Anglin has probably used the most honest terms hasn’t he?

    Replies: @Blodgie, @3g4me

    @36 Stan d Mute: While I am hardly a fan of women in general myself, I differentiate between a pro-Oriental misogynistic rant and a reasoned explication of the feminization of society and the rule by female norms.

  133. My impression is that WASP America had been headed in a feminist direction, as seen by 1919’s passage of women’s suffrage and prohibition.

    19th Amendment: a fatal error, along with letting the federal mafia take over (((education))), forced integration and importing and keeping slaves.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  134. @Gordo
    Was Donna Karan a WASP?

    Replies: @Neuday

    Google muthafuckuh, do you use it?

    Of course Donna Karan isn’t a WASP. Her mother’s maiden name was Rabinowitz and her father was born Faskowitz.

    • Agree: gandydancer
  135. This must explain why American comic book sales are a complete joke, along with their feminized story lines, and how Japanese Manga rule! Also explains why wokesters hate the Japs and their successful, powerful misogynistic mags.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @InnerCynic

    I dunno. There is something for everyone.

    https://i.postimg.cc/L8Mp7dCp/Making-Really-Bad-Decisions.png

    Although stories by Jodorowski are generally too Freudian horror and rape-laden to be good for you.

  136. The weakest, least manly man pipes up with his own dumb ideas, if he does not openly defy and oppose you, while the female subordinate nods her head and does what you told her to do, even if your instructions were wrong. This is the whole issue, it’s bigger than consumer spending. They don’t want men.
    And:

    And because most men in power in media and politics are a man like any other man, only more so, practically every media firm

    ?

  137. @Achmed E. Newman
    The sexual harassment allegation thereat is indeed an example of almost unlimited, capricious power that women have in the workplace. For the home life, for the married man at least, there is the threat of Family Law and CPS.

    I can't blame any man for staying away from marriage right now. The best advice, "choose wisely", doesn't always guarantee good results. As far as the media goes, Anon-#266 put it simply - don't participate as a consumer. Don't participate as a producer unless you are on your own like iSteve here.

    Not to worry - it's all gonna come to a head when the financial STHF happens. I don't want to say I'm looking forward to that, but I will enjoy a number of aspects of it, I gotta admit ...

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Forbes, @epebble, @AnotherDad

    One thought of the SHTF…

    Apocalyptic prognostications always arise, but what unfolds?

    In 1987, Wall Street brokers in NYC held parties celebrating Dow Jones index milestones, e.g. surpassing 2,000 or 2,100 as if New Year’s Eve occurred several times a year. I attended one at the old Palladium to mark the crossing of 2,100, meanwhile the Dow had crossed 2,300 by the night of the event. Needless, the market famously crashed in October, but was still up for the year at Dec 31.

    The Tech bubble (’95-’00) is when Fed Chair Greenspan invoked his famous phrase “irrational exuberance” in December ’96, yet the reckoning (down 78%) didn’t occur for some time (’01-’02).

    The recovery from the dotcom bubble to the ’08 GFC (global financial crisis) or the housing and mortgage finance crisis (epitomized by “The Big Short” movie based on the Michael Lewis book) was fueled by the government’s ZIRP (zero interest rate policy), or ultra-low interest rates resulting in malinvestment and market distortions due to suppressed/manipulated interest rates.

    The ultra-low rates that spurred the GFC have been repeated, and then some, resulting in ~\$15 trillion of fixed income securities trading at a negative yield. And now the specter of galloping inflation due to government fiscal stimulus raises its head–by sticking its hand in your wallet to fleece you.

    There will be tears.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Forbes

    And now the specter of galloping inflation

    There won't be galloping inflation. Only mild, may be sustained. Labor market is globalized now like any other market and there is a lot of slack in global labor supply.

    Replies: @gandydancer

  138. @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    It's a seldom-used, and confusing, expression. It means he was whining and complaining about it, not filing legal documents.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    I believe the ghetto equivalent would be “jonesing”. Steve was always be dribbling.

  139. @Reg Cæsar

    ...that feminism fell out of fashion for 50 years.
     
    Florence King attributed this to the suffragists having won. The ERA failed, at least on paper, and this led to decades of rage.

    ...the rise of sexual harassment allegations as Sacred Writ from the time of Anita Hill
     
    ...but not Paula Jones. Funny how that works.

    Ann Douglas was on to this decades ago. From Goodreads' description of her 1977 book:

    This modern classic by one of our leading scholars seeks to explain the values prevalent in today's mass culture by tracing them back to their roots in the Victorian era. As religion lost its hold on the public mind, clergymen and educated women, powerless and insignificant in the society of the time, together exerted a profound effect on the only areas open to their influence: the arts and literature. Women wrote books that idealized the very qualities that kept them powerless: timidity, piety, and a disdain for competition. Sentimental values that permeated popular literature continue to influence modern culture, preoccupied as it is with glamour, banal melodrama, and mindless consumption.

    The Feminization of American Culture
    by Ann Douglas

     
    She doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Stan d Mute

    “She doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page.”

    Funny how that works.

  140. @Anonymous
    @Alden

    There was nothing valid about that guy's "theory"; he's flat out lying. Northeast WASPS have always been the image of athleticism and hegemonic male dominance in America. Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about. On the contrary, they were seen as rather dimunitive and inert.

    Also, the women's suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp). Feminism and suffrage are anithetical to WASP values, it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in. In keeping with their egalitarian, matriarchical roots and ancestry.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @mc23, @Agathoklis, @J.Ross, @Dnought

    >women’s suffrage was mostly Jewish
    Impossible. The years don’t line up. Not only had Jew influence via newspapers not started yet, the people we think of as American Jews hadn’t arrived yet. The traditional origin point of women’s suffrage in America was a protestant bible conference.

  141. @Pissedoffalese
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Al Franken? I detest the guy on other grounds, but that stupid picture was just a gag, same thing that was always acceptable from comedians until everybody got the vapors. He may have done other things, too. I don't recall.

    What would the wokies say of Benny Hill today? That guy was funny. Franken was not, but he wasn't any different than anyone else within American alleged comedy.

    Replies: @(((They))) Live, @J.Ross, @JohnnyWalker123, @gandydancer

    A confusing example because he chose to fall on his own sword: had he fought it he’d have been fine.

  142. @AnotherDad
    The really toxic brew is having minoritarianism--rather than a healthy nationalism/civilizationalism/traditionalism--as your dominant ideology, so female compliance/status seeking reinforces parrots that while throwing in misplaced (childless/low-fertility) feminine nurturing and emotionalism.

    You end up with "dead baby on the beach ... we must do something!", "they're keeping them in cages!!!" and the classic "refugees welcome". And Social media just provides a super-hen-circle to make it worse.

    Women's concerns, interests and "mental approach" simply aren't what a healthy nations' political life looks like.


    Women--especially young women--were a lot more emotionally healthy when the day started with a few hours of milking the cows, gathering the eggs, getting breakfast ready before getting on to the rest of the day's work. (Men emotionally healthier with physical farm work as well.)

    But it's an open question how well any culture can manage modernity--all the technological innovations that have dramatically reduced work and cut mortality--and still have sane sensible females in a relatively low-fertility (even at replacement) environment.

    The West has failed. The Chinese may do better--maybe.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Tono Bungay, @James J O'Meara, @Mike Tre, @Technite78

    “Women–especially young women–were a lot more emotionally healthy when the day started with a few hours of milking the cows, gathering the eggs, getting breakfast ready before getting on to the rest of the day’s work. (Men emotionally healthier with physical farm work as well.)”

    True. Even solitary city dweller Schopenhauer recommended (and unlike some of his advice, actually did it himself) starting the day with a cold bath (or in our world, shower) and a two-three mile walk, in any weather. He acknowledged that the Stoics knew as much as well.

    Weltgeist, who produces excellent little YT vids of Schopenhauer’s writings, had this just last week:

  143. @Henry's Cat
    I wouldn't mind so much, if there was just one refuge - sports' commentary - but, no, they're relentless, inexorable.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    “We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.’ Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! ” — Howard Beale

  144. @S. Anonyia
    @JohnnyWalker123

    For an anti-aging researcher he looks very haggard. There is probably some truth to whatever is being alleged against him; anyone with a Rasputin beard is bound to be off their rocker in some way. It’s the middle-aged male equivalent of a young woman with pink/purple hair. Sign of a personality disorder.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    I never heard of this guy, but I agree.

    “It’s the middle-aged male equivalent of a young woman with pink/purple hair. ”

    Haggard-wise, it’s the libertarian version of those progs who are obsessed with running, whole foods, wheat germs, “health” etc. but look like crap.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Most "health nuts" and fitness buffs are neurotic obsessives who stress themselves into, ironically, being unhealthy. Also, over training (via cardio or weightlifting) is bad for you. I sometimes wonder if these people have some kind of autism that's funneled into body image.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @David Davenport

  145. @Desiderius
    @Alden

    No, WASP means Wealthy Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

    British (as opposed to English, i.e. Anglish) came into vogue with the creation of the United Kingdom as a way to include the Celts and other primeval peoples of the British Isles (including vaguely depending who you ask the Scots-Irish and even the Irish for the particularly large-minded and/or Ulster). The whole purpose of the coinage of the term WASP was to reverse that inclusion. It serves that purpose to this day among the WASPs themselves.

    Again, this movie is the ur-text for understanding how the phenomenon described by @ATBOTL ended up playing out:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/movies/19harv.html

    Very much worth watching. That period was the high water mark of white ethnic (and this very much includes Redneck Scots-Irish along with the Poles, and Micks, and Wops) integration into the American Ruling Class. Note: the Buscaren character was best buds with W. This was the beginning of the reaction against that integration.

    Replies: @TWS

    When did it change from white to wealthy? I’ve heard white since the sixties.

    • Agree: gandydancer
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @TWS

    As opposed to the Chinese Anglo-Saxon Protestants?

    C’mon man.

  146. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Feryl

    Your comment is complete nonsense from beginning to end. It only reveals your insecurities and what subtly influences your selection bias. George Floyd is about as far away from being a sex symbol to young white women as it is possible to be. Even Harvey Weinstein has probably engendered more lustful thoughts.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Even some black and Hispanic men have been alienated by the Dems because the modern Dems cater to the fantasies of women so much, especially naive young women. Older people and men are more likely to see George Floyd as a monster, girls think he’s a misunderstood “victim”. SJWism and wokeism are overwhelmingly favored among females under 35 relative to other demographics.

    What makes a sex symbol? I can tell you with ease what guys want in a woman: youth and beauty. What do women want? That’s a lot more complicated. You know they’ve done research showing that when women are most fertile they prefer dominant macho guys. At other phases they prefer a beta provider type.

    Also keep in mind that boy bands are marketed to 11 year old girls*. When the hormones really kick in 4-5 years later, that’s when “bad boys” (and bad men) become more exciting.

    *Sailer once posted about musical preferences and gender, and it turned out that males had the most affection for the music they heard when they were 13-14 years old, whereas with girls it was more like 11-12 being the age where they were most in touch with pop music.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Feryl


    George Floyd as a monster, girls think he’s a misunderstood “victim”
     
    Not "misunderstood", but yes a "victim." He died in a manner that looks like a particularly callous murder

    What do women want? That’s a lot more complicated. You know they’ve done research showing that when women are most fertile they prefer dominant macho guys. At other phases they prefer a beta provider type.
     
    Neither of those have anything to do with George Floyd. It amazes me that you think any women would think so.

    Your idea of what women find sexy is your own bizarre fantasy.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  147. @SimpleSong
    Even simpler: women have more of the power in this society, so of course it starts to look feminine. They have:

    1.) More political power. There are (slightly) more women than men, so they can outvote men, and shape the government based on their desires. This has translated into:

    2.) More economic power. Male dominated industries like manufacturing are subject to brutal international competition, often from countries with governments that support or subsidize their own manufacturing champions. They are also subject to constant attempts to automate and squeeze out more productivity.

    On the other hand, there has been just about zero interest in automating or improving the productivity of female dominated industries. Could we deliver education just as effectively using modern technology for a fraction of the cost? Probably. Are local governments ever going to attempt this? No chance. Look at how effectively teachers unions have fought vouchers, versus how ineffective manufacturing unions have been at putting up tariffs or implementing industrial policy. Of course men sorta shoot themselves in the foot on this because they love muh competition.

    3.) The ultimate authority about whether and when the next generation gets brought into existence.
    That's kind of a big one. Also,

    4.) Residual cultural power: most of the social mores that were designed to protect women during the days when men had all the economic and political power are still around, although slightly watered down. Violence against women is taken much more seriously than violence against men, women's healthcare is subsidized compared to mens, men who don't earn enough are far more stigmatized than women, etc.

    I don't think this has made women happier, or made their lives better, but no doubt they are in aggregate more powerful than men. Just because the majority of powerful individuals are men, that doesn't mean that men in aggregate have more power than women in aggregate--they used to, but now they don't.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Paul Mendez, @Anonymous

    Women’s reproductive strategies are different from a men’s. An attractive fertile low status female has the advantage over a low fertility high status one. Status is useful for things such as quality of mate and provisioning but most women can have children if they want and if they do, there are benefits in society they can avail themselves to that helps them get by. A man’s world is much more competitive and is ‘winner take all’.

    This is why women gravitate towards neo-socialism. A progressive income tax scrapes income away from the winners and gives it to the bottom 3 quintiles thereby taking money from primarily alpha men and subsidizing largely mediocre women. It also acts as an insurance policy for all women who’s circumstances change (like when they get older). Having been given a 5 second head start, there are certain things women don’t or are much less willing to do such as working at night, traveling, dangerous jobs, etc. They don’t need to because there is an endless supply of low paid office jobs that will pay enough money that they can survive.

    That reproductive path is not open to men. If they earn less than their partners, they are subjected to a diminished position within their family and are much more likely to be cancelled at some point not of their choosing. Men have to preform, always.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Prof. Woland


    Women’s reproductive strategies are different from a men’s. An attractive fertile low status female has the advantage over a low fertility high status one. Status is useful for things such as quality of mate and provisioning but most women can have children if they want and if they do, there are benefits in society they can avail themselves to that helps them get by. A man’s world is much more competitive and is ‘winner take all’.
     
    Could you please elaborate on this? It looks potentially enlightening but I don’t fully grasp any of the sentences. Would you consider expanding on each of them please?
  148. @Peter D. Bredon
    @S. Anonyia

    I never heard of this guy, but I agree.

    "It’s the middle-aged male equivalent of a young woman with pink/purple hair. "

    Haggard-wise, it's the libertarian version of those progs who are obsessed with running, whole foods, wheat germs, "health" etc. but look like crap.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Most “health nuts” and fitness buffs are neurotic obsessives who stress themselves into, ironically, being unhealthy. Also, over training (via cardio or weightlifting) is bad for you. I sometimes wonder if these people have some kind of autism that’s funneled into body image.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Feryl

    Low protein consumption makes them look gaunt. Also, they don't sleep enough.

    Replies: @Feryl

    , @David Davenport
    @Feryl

    Most “health nuts” and fitness buffs are neurotic obsessives who stress themselves into, ironically, being unhealthy. Also, over training (via cardio or weightlifting) is bad for you.

    You're somewhat overweight, aren't you?

  149. @Neuday
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Garrison Keillor.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JohnnyWalker123

    Good call.

    Unfair but so very poetic. Let them all get eaten by the mob of their creation.

  150. @MEH 0910
    OT:
    https://twitter.com/CTVNewsAdam/status/1430720837854715904

    NANAIMO, B.C. -- Khim Kaing was planning to cook a Cambodian delicacy for dinner — a duck egg. But instead of his culinary plan hatching, his wife discovered a duckling had.

    “He was out of the egg,” says his wife, Leanne Marlow, before showing me a video of the baby bird’s head poking out of the shell. “So it was like, no eating him!”

    The couple decided to keep the duck and named him Tiny.
     

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato, @Gary in Gramercy

    Tiny!

  151. There’s more women in the workforce and more kids raised by single mothers. How could culture not be more feminized now?

  152. @Achmed E. Newman
    The sexual harassment allegation thereat is indeed an example of almost unlimited, capricious power that women have in the workplace. For the home life, for the married man at least, there is the threat of Family Law and CPS.

    I can't blame any man for staying away from marriage right now. The best advice, "choose wisely", doesn't always guarantee good results. As far as the media goes, Anon-#266 put it simply - don't participate as a consumer. Don't participate as a producer unless you are on your own like iSteve here.

    Not to worry - it's all gonna come to a head when the financial STHF happens. I don't want to say I'm looking forward to that, but I will enjoy a number of aspects of it, I gotta admit ...

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Forbes, @epebble, @AnotherDad

    The sexual harassment allegation thereat is indeed an example of almost unlimited, capricious power that women have in the workplace.

    Talking of which, Ms. Elizabeth Holmes of the Theranos fame is advancing PTSD defense due to IPA (Intimate Partner Abuse).

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21050910-elizabth-holmes-motion

    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/28/1031961327/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-trial-boyfriend-balwani-emotional-sexual-abuse

  153. @Enzo the Baker
    I saw it happen in the Army. Seemed like it happened overnight, but really it was over the span of maybe five years. Was an Army brat from the early 70s on, then went through commissioning and was an officer in the 1990s, 2000s, and early 2010s. Growing up in the 70s and 80s the Vietnam vets still on active duty were all tough, masculine, great dads and neighbors. By the time I was an officer most of those guys had retired and the generation that led the all volunteer military had to soften up their approach a bit for retention purposes, and it just stuck. As more jobs were opened to women, the trend accelerated. At unit hail & farewells, occasionally a guy would get choked up in his farewell speech as he rotated to a new assignment, and those of us in the back of the room would roll their eyes. By the 2000s there were Command Sergeants Major openly weeping in front of hundreds of troops as they accepted their PCS awards. Crazy. Hugging also became a big thing. My guess is it started at in theater memorial services (understandable) and just migrated into a general greeting. Haven't seen a guy in a few months? Big, increasingly gay hug. "You're alive!" (Even though both are REMF desk jockeys). As a retiree I went to a recruiting function aimed at educating CEOs on the military and getting some kind of undefined help from them in carrying the recruiting message to the public. The general in charge didn't say more than a dozen words to any CEO; he spent the entire function hugging female captains and majors, looking at pictures of the three kids they had while on active duty, etc.
    Ok, rant complete. Bottomline - yes, the culture has been feminized, and Oprah-ized to boot. If everyone was happier, it might be ok. But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

    Replies: @Dube, @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @Uncle Dan

    Enzo, I sent your comment to a screenwriter friend who is an AF base commander’s son, and got this quick reply:

    There has been a rather common trait in a lot of films about the military— they all end with scenes with traumatized soldiers having a talk with a female counselor (usually blond) and they struggle to talk about their missing buddies, then they weep at the end of a session. As liberal and progressive as I think of myself to be, I am repulsed by this trend. And a few of the movie-makers are veterans.

  154. @Feryl
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Even some black and Hispanic men have been alienated by the Dems because the modern Dems cater to the fantasies of women so much, especially naive young women. Older people and men are more likely to see George Floyd as a monster, girls think he's a misunderstood "victim". SJWism and wokeism are overwhelmingly favored among females under 35 relative to other demographics.

    What makes a sex symbol? I can tell you with ease what guys want in a woman: youth and beauty. What do women want? That's a lot more complicated. You know they've done research showing that when women are most fertile they prefer dominant macho guys. At other phases they prefer a beta provider type.

    Also keep in mind that boy bands are marketed to 11 year old girls*. When the hormones really kick in 4-5 years later, that's when "bad boys" (and bad men) become more exciting.

    *Sailer once posted about musical preferences and gender, and it turned out that males had the most affection for the music they heard when they were 13-14 years old, whereas with girls it was more like 11-12 being the age where they were most in touch with pop music.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    George Floyd as a monster, girls think he’s a misunderstood “victim”

    Not “misunderstood”, but yes a “victim.” He died in a manner that looks like a particularly callous murder

    What do women want? That’s a lot more complicated. You know they’ve done research showing that when women are most fertile they prefer dominant macho guys. At other phases they prefer a beta provider type.

    Neither of those have anything to do with George Floyd. It amazes me that you think any women would think so.

    Your idea of what women find sexy is your own bizarre fantasy.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    For any weirdo who thinks George Floyd is considered sexy please see his 46 year old drug addict former girlfriend who wouldn't even commit to him.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  155. One weird fact of modernity is completely marginal people who have the extreme need to seek public approval regarding their current crotch configuration (which may change tomorrow) but then pretend they feel “unsafe” doing so and are “afraid”, even at home.

    14 yo girls (complete with demands for delation) but without the vivacity or a hopeful future.

  156. @Enzo the Baker
    I saw it happen in the Army. Seemed like it happened overnight, but really it was over the span of maybe five years. Was an Army brat from the early 70s on, then went through commissioning and was an officer in the 1990s, 2000s, and early 2010s. Growing up in the 70s and 80s the Vietnam vets still on active duty were all tough, masculine, great dads and neighbors. By the time I was an officer most of those guys had retired and the generation that led the all volunteer military had to soften up their approach a bit for retention purposes, and it just stuck. As more jobs were opened to women, the trend accelerated. At unit hail & farewells, occasionally a guy would get choked up in his farewell speech as he rotated to a new assignment, and those of us in the back of the room would roll their eyes. By the 2000s there were Command Sergeants Major openly weeping in front of hundreds of troops as they accepted their PCS awards. Crazy. Hugging also became a big thing. My guess is it started at in theater memorial services (understandable) and just migrated into a general greeting. Haven't seen a guy in a few months? Big, increasingly gay hug. "You're alive!" (Even though both are REMF desk jockeys). As a retiree I went to a recruiting function aimed at educating CEOs on the military and getting some kind of undefined help from them in carrying the recruiting message to the public. The general in charge didn't say more than a dozen words to any CEO; he spent the entire function hugging female captains and majors, looking at pictures of the three kids they had while on active duty, etc.
    Ok, rant complete. Bottomline - yes, the culture has been feminized, and Oprah-ized to boot. If everyone was happier, it might be ok. But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

    Replies: @Dube, @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @Uncle Dan

    But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

    That’s the essence of it. In a masculinized world, both men and women are happy. In a feminized world, both men and women are miserable.

  157. @InnerCynic
    This must explain why American comic book sales are a complete joke, along with their feminized story lines, and how Japanese Manga rule! Also explains why wokesters hate the Japs and their successful, powerful misogynistic mags.

    Replies: @El Dato

    I dunno. There is something for everyone.

    Although stories by Jodorowski are generally too Freudian horror and rape-laden to be good for you.

  158. @Neuday
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Garrison Keillor.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/01/23/mpr-says-garrison-keillor-wasnt-fired-for-simply-touching-a-womans-bare-back/

    On Tuesday, MPR, sent a lengthy letter to its members explaining, for the first time, the allegations against Keillor.

    Here’s why the Garrison Keillor allegations stand out.

    “In the allegations she provided to MPR, she did not allege that Garrison touched her back, but did claim that he engaged in other unwanted sexual touching,” MPR president Jon McTaggart said in the letter. He later said that “the woman’s attorney presented us with a 12-page letter detailing many of the alleged incidents, including excerpts of emails and written messages, requests for sexual contact and explicit descriptions of sexual communications and touching.”

  159. @Pissedoffalese
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Al Franken? I detest the guy on other grounds, but that stupid picture was just a gag, same thing that was always acceptable from comedians until everybody got the vapors. He may have done other things, too. I don't recall.

    What would the wokies say of Benny Hill today? That guy was funny. Franken was not, but he wasn't any different than anyone else within American alleged comedy.

    Replies: @(((They))) Live, @J.Ross, @JohnnyWalker123, @gandydancer

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken#Sexual_misconduct_allegations

    On November 16, 2017, conservative talk-radio host Leeann Tweeden alleged in a blog post and an interview with her radio station, 790 KABC, that Franken forcibly kissed her on a 2006 USO tour during a rehearsal for a skit. She wrote, “I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.”

    In the days that followed, seven additional women came forward with allegations of inappropriate behavior during photo ops. Lindsay Menz accused Franken of touching her clothed buttocks while they posed for a photo at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010.[126][127] Two anonymous women made similar complaints related to events during political events.[128]

    The same day, Stephanie Kemplin, an army veteran, told CNN that Franken held the side of her breast for 5 to 10 seconds “and never moved his hand” while posing for a photograph[132] with her during a 2003 USO tour in Iraq.[133]

    He probably could’ve survived the pictures, which clearly were a joke. It was the above groping & kissing stuff that torpedoed his career.

  160. @Jim Christian
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Meanwhile, Acchie, I've been to four weddings the last two years with two coming up next year. All of em 25-30 or so, all MIT/Harvard/Boston U educated. Not one wedded couple a step up the ladder for one or the other, the highly paid and educated only marry each other. I'm sure there's an anthropological story there, a story of a weird form of 'inbreeding' of a sort, more complicated than Idiocracy. Strange nobody marries up or down anymore. Women never marry down but you rarely see it in the men anymore either. Not in my lofty circles anyway.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The various classes in the United States are more separated in every sense of the word- physically, economically and culturely – than in past.

    They just don’t interact much, and when they do, they have nothing in common.

    It’s why the Managerial Class – your buddies – have completely abandoned the white working class.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  161. @Anonymous
    The golden age of UK TV was way way back in the 1960s and 70s, when networks were run almost exclusively be men. It was during this period that British TV made its greatest and most iconic programming - a period never to be repeated.

    During this gilded age, comedians more or less ruled the roost - as we would expect from male dominated TV. In those days mighty men walked the earth. Comedy giants such as Les Dawson, Bernard Manning, Benny Hill, Kenny Everett, the Two Ronnies, Morecambe & Wise, Bob Monkhouse, Bruce Forsyth etc etc were the undisputed giants of prime time.

    Now, British network TV is well and truly female run. Prime time is one shit soap opera after another shit soap opera. Daytime on ITV is dominated by the truly execrable 'This Morning' a show guaranteed to make anyone with an IQ above room temperature lose the will to live. Shallow 'celebrity' bollocks, rubbishy cooking segments, 'lifestyle' crap all interspersed by the endless plugging of a blatant illegal lottery,('phone in competition').

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @martin_2

    I’ve long thought that movies and television are basically tapped out venues, no longer fields for greatness. The pioneers are long gone and the legacy they created is being picked apart by lesser creatures.

    I quit watching television 20 years ago and I almost never see a new film release, but watch older ones instead. I’m not sure how anyone can endure the plotless, psychedelic cape-shit and visual nonsense that passes for a movie these days—artless spectacles devoid of logic and proportion.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Projects not even possible to make but which would be awesome:
    The Flashman Papers
    Killing Rage (Eamon Collins' life in and out of the IRA)
    Something about Jonestown which included all the left-wing stuff which is normally completely censored (talentless hack Eli Roth did a not!Jonestown movie in which the Real Bad Guy is Christianity)
    Saburo Sakai, Japanese air ace, who had to fly himself back to base with injured eyes
    Lucifer's Hammer, not updated, all period details intact

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG

  162. Over the last few years I have started to see a bit of a passive aggressive pushback on the feminization stuff in the upper middle class starter suburban neighborhood I live in. We have some regular churn with empty nesters moving out and 30 something couples with kids about to enter public school coming in. The guys all sport beards and vet bro gear, even though they were never in the military. The women go all out to dress and decorate like they are in a Southern Living magazine feature (which is actually pretty refreshing and makes for fun people watching at the neighborhood pool) while deferring more to their husbands. Maybe the pendulum is swinging back a bit.

  163. My impression is that WASP America had been headed in a feminist direction, as seen by 1919’s passage of women’s suffrage and prohibition. But prohibition proved so unpopular with America’s hard-drinking rising artistic/critical/entertainment elite (e.g., Hemingway, Mencken, W.C. Fields, etc etc) and especially among new immigrant groups targeted by WASP feminism, that feminism fell out of fashion for 50 years.

    That didn’t stop WASPs from drinking.

    They passed prohibition to keep their social inferiors from drinking.

    It’s like how hardly any Wall Street titans went to jail over a little cocaine possession.

    Steve: You should check the bottom of your post. You might be missing a line or half a line.

  164. @Achmed E. Newman
    The sexual harassment allegation thereat is indeed an example of almost unlimited, capricious power that women have in the workplace. For the home life, for the married man at least, there is the threat of Family Law and CPS.

    I can't blame any man for staying away from marriage right now. The best advice, "choose wisely", doesn't always guarantee good results. As far as the media goes, Anon-#266 put it simply - don't participate as a consumer. Don't participate as a producer unless you are on your own like iSteve here.

    Not to worry - it's all gonna come to a head when the financial STHF happens. I don't want to say I'm looking forward to that, but I will enjoy a number of aspects of it, I gotta admit ...

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Forbes, @epebble, @AnotherDad

    Not to worry – it’s all gonna come to a head when the financial STHF happens. I don’t want to say I’m looking forward to that, but I will enjoy a number of aspects of it, I gotta admit …

    This is nonsense, and folks on the right–conservatives/nationalists/traditionalists–should stop using it as cope.

    The US dollar is the world’s premier reserve currency. So we can money print with less dramatic effect than most. What happens is that changes? Serious inflation.

    Ultimately what could people do with their dollars? Buy stuff in the US. Mostly it would be assets. US companies, housing, farm land. Housing will get more expensive, and we’ll all be poorer. (Another priority of a nationalist government should be banning property sales to foreigners.) But foreigners will also by more stuff as well–some industrial stuff that we’re still good at. And US commodities. We’d be even more competitive in grains than we are already. Those prices–along with commodities in general–spike. So US farmland would be valuable–which is why lots of people are buying it. And again, we’ll pay more for our food and be poorer.

    On the demographic side, we’re already locked into slumping toward being sort of a high-end Latino nation. The Chinese–if they deal with some of their own demographic/eugenic issues–would presumably wrest the technological lead from us. But the US will continue to have competent white and now some Asian guys to keep the trains running, the planes flying, the lights on.

    No, sorry there is no SHTF crisis to “resolve the contradictions” or whatever. There is just a long slow decline. And if we don’t want to slump down that decline we must fight and win–or separate–now.

    Nothing will save us, but us.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    Respectfully, A.D., because I agree with you 98% of the (other) time, you don't seem to have any idea of how bad the financial mess is in this country. It's not just the nation's approaching $30,000,000,000,000 debt, but the other US government obligations (SS, disability, etc) that add up to a multiple of that, and the the various municipal/government/private pension plans that can only run with 6-8% average returns, while the FED MUST hold interest rates down to 1 to 2 % or bad things happen*.

    Funny you bring up these exact things: US companies, housing, farm land. Housing .... Yes, these are assets. There is a lot of ruin in a nation**, said Adam Smith (the Scottish economist, not the unz/PS commentator, though he probably would agree). Who do you think will buy these assets? We lose nearly $500,000,000,000 to the Chinese yearly. They could buy all the good farmland with this money in half a decade! A property sale ban won't work, as money talks, one way or another - The version of the golden rule used by much of the world, including the Chinese, is "he who has the gold make the rules."

    I will give a link bomb that I don't expect anyone to read, but it's for the fact that I wrote about this in "Will America be looted by China?", with 6 parts, and they cover these assets you just listed:

    Intro.
    Housing
    Big Biz
    The Fruited Plain
    The Wilderness
    Conclusion - the Golden Rule

    There WILL be serious inflation, reserve currency or not. That's what's fueling the current housing boom - people are realizing that they'd better hold onto something tangible.

    I can't stand when people use the word "cope" as a noun. That is beneath you. Either way, it's not that the financial SHTF is the ideal solution, just that it will occur well before enough Americans get up and fight this stuff. The reason is that, when people still have something to lose most of them will not take a stand.

    If I could do it on-line, I would bet money with you on this, Another Dad. It wouldn't be in US Dollars though!

    Read some Ron Paul, right here on The Unz Review.

    .


    * Two of them: The yearly interest to be paid on debt goes up to 40% of the national budget - that's at normal "price of money" rates of 7% only! Also, the stock market tanks, which is the only thing that's making Americans feel like they have some money.

    ** See Part 2 and a Part 3.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  165. @Enzo the Baker
    I saw it happen in the Army. Seemed like it happened overnight, but really it was over the span of maybe five years. Was an Army brat from the early 70s on, then went through commissioning and was an officer in the 1990s, 2000s, and early 2010s. Growing up in the 70s and 80s the Vietnam vets still on active duty were all tough, masculine, great dads and neighbors. By the time I was an officer most of those guys had retired and the generation that led the all volunteer military had to soften up their approach a bit for retention purposes, and it just stuck. As more jobs were opened to women, the trend accelerated. At unit hail & farewells, occasionally a guy would get choked up in his farewell speech as he rotated to a new assignment, and those of us in the back of the room would roll their eyes. By the 2000s there were Command Sergeants Major openly weeping in front of hundreds of troops as they accepted their PCS awards. Crazy. Hugging also became a big thing. My guess is it started at in theater memorial services (understandable) and just migrated into a general greeting. Haven't seen a guy in a few months? Big, increasingly gay hug. "You're alive!" (Even though both are REMF desk jockeys). As a retiree I went to a recruiting function aimed at educating CEOs on the military and getting some kind of undefined help from them in carrying the recruiting message to the public. The general in charge didn't say more than a dozen words to any CEO; he spent the entire function hugging female captains and majors, looking at pictures of the three kids they had while on active duty, etc.
    Ok, rant complete. Bottomline - yes, the culture has been feminized, and Oprah-ized to boot. If everyone was happier, it might be ok. But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

    Replies: @Dube, @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @Uncle Dan

    But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

    Why are the women miserable about it?

    • Replies: @IgorStravinsky
    @Anonymous

    Why are the women miserable about it?

    Because they are getting what they are histronically demanding.

  166. @JackOH
    @Dnought

    D-writing is hard; writing for publication harder still; writing and getting well-paid for it-damned difficult.

    I used to deflect the occasional praise I'd get for the smalltime reviews, letters, and essays I'd published by saying: "The writing's easy. The thinking beforehand is really hard." Half-truth, of course.

    I didn't learn the value of line-by-line editing until my late 20s, which, among other things, can help you better judge the strength or weakness of what you're trying to say.

    Writers who achieve both popular acclaim and critical success deserve every penny of their earnings, even if I personally don't like their stuff.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stan Adams

    I didn’t learn the value of line-by-line editing

    What is line-by-line editing?

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Anonymous

    "Close textual analysis" might be a better way of phrasing the idea. Another way of thinking of line-by-line editing is to think of a lawyer poring over every word in an important contract.

    Examine every line to check whether it contributes to or detracts from the impact you want to have on the reader you're addressing. Also, examine every line for ordinary English housekeeping: grammar, spelling, style consistency, and the like.

    One straightforward example is from an unpublished essay of mine in which I wanted to use "open shop" and "closed shop", referring to employers that were "open" to hiring non-union workers, and employers that were "closed" to all but union workers. I wanted to use "open" and "closed" in an extended sense. I was infatuated with the idea.

    I kicked the essay around, then canned it. The audience I wanted to reach was unlikely to be unionized, so "open" and "closed" would not resonate with them. Those who were unionized were most likely hired under "union shop" rules that permitted hiring of non-union workers on condition they be enrolled in the union after their probationary period.

    I really liked the essay. It was a turkey. It was line-by-line editing done at a sort of psychological arm's length that kept me from making an even worse fool of myself by submitting it for publication.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  167. @mc23
    @Anonymous

    Huh? The Irish were known for digging the canals, building the railroads and mining coal in this country. Not to mention fighting and drinking is an Irish stereotype.

    When my brother was married to a troublesome Irishwomen years ago he was counseled by her family and friends that he had to smack her around , it's just what you do, like in the movie "The Quiet Man".
    He got divorced instead.

    Replies: @Anon

    When my brother was married to a troublesome Irishwomen years ago

    What was troublesome about her?

  168. @prosa123
    @Ralph L

    It’s weird watching shows with grisly murders like “Criminal Minds”, then seeing 90% female-oriented ads, and having a third of the killers be cuckoo women. Then there are all the stupid targettes who knock their attacker down and run away without finishing him off. Like most cop shows, CM degenerated into melodrama around the regular cast.

    For a real laugh, check out the Unresolved Mysteries subreddit. Crimes and disappearances involving women get way more attention than those involving men, and it's easy to figure out that most forum participants are women. It's similar in a way to how British writers pioneered murder mystery novels over a century ago even though Britain hardly has any murders.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It’s similar in a way to how British writers pioneered murder mystery novels over a century ago even though Britain hardly has any murders.

    Britain has homicides, but they tend to be due to domestic arguments or bar fights. Among the sort of people Christie wished to use as characters and in the sort of settings she favored, Britain has hardly any murders.

  169. @JackOH
    @Dnought

    D-writing is hard; writing for publication harder still; writing and getting well-paid for it-damned difficult.

    I used to deflect the occasional praise I'd get for the smalltime reviews, letters, and essays I'd published by saying: "The writing's easy. The thinking beforehand is really hard." Half-truth, of course.

    I didn't learn the value of line-by-line editing until my late 20s, which, among other things, can help you better judge the strength or weakness of what you're trying to say.

    Writers who achieve both popular acclaim and critical success deserve every penny of their earnings, even if I personally don't like their stuff.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stan Adams

    I’m a frustrated novelist myself.

    Hey, how about an iSteve story contest? I’ll kick things off with an excerpt from my untitled novella in which Satan sends his reincarnated son (Adolf Hitler) to recruit gay skinheads to kill black people to start a racial war. (Naturally, it’s a comedy.)

    When Hitler identifies a promising recruit, he shoots him in the head, sending him straight to Hell. (He does not collect 200 dollars.) We pick up the story in progress.

    [MORE]

    Maury Feldstein, Satan’s lawyer, sighed as he knocked on the door to his boss’s office. He hated being stuck in Hell, but at least his job came with certain perks. Not many Hell-dwellers were allowed to work in air-conditioned rooms. Even fewer had ceiling fans in their bedrooms.

    “Come in,” Lucifer said.

    Maury opened the door and walked in. He nodded at the Lord of the Underworld, then tensed up when he saw the other guy in the room.

    Standing in front of the devil’s desk was a 6’5″, 250-pound, shirtless skinhead with one big swastika and lots of little swastikas tattooed all over his muscular, ripped torso. He looked to be in his late twenties, maybe early thirties.

    “Uh … I can come back later, if you’d like.”

    “No, Maury, I need to talk to you. Sit down, please – both of you.”

    Maury did as he was told. So did the other guy.

    “Maury, I’d like you to meet Rolf Lundgren. He’s new here – he was shot in the head about 15 minutes ago. Rolf, this is Maury Feldstein, my lawyer.”

    Maury held out his hand. The skinhead nearly crushed it with his powerful grip.

    “Nice to meet you, Rolf.”

    “Likewise, Maury.”

    Lucifer took yet another drag on yet another cigarette, then went on with his spiel.

    “Now, Maury, I know that Rolf here is a Nazi, and you’re a Jew, but I think the two of you can put all of that nonsense behind you. Don’t you both agree?”

    “Yes,” Maury said through clinched teeth.

    “Yes,” Rolf said through equally-clinched teeth.

    “Good,” Lucifer said. “The great thing about Hell is that we can all be different. We have all kinds of folks down here – Jews, Nazis, atheists, agnostics, Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Scientologists – a veritable rainbow of sinners. Up there in Heaven, all you’ll find are drones who mindlessly obey God’s directives. They’re all so … boring.”

    “Do all Jews go to Hell?” Rolf asked.

    “No, of course not,” Lucifer answered. “Only the ones who kill their ex-girlfriends, chop them up, and feed them to the dog.”

    “Well, maybe we should tell Rolf the full story…”

    “All right, Maury. You were a small-time corporate lawyer who somehow snagged a hot-looking blonde chick as your f**k-buddy. But then she met your cousin – a big-shot at Goldman Sachs – at your family reunion and dumped you for him. You couldn’t live with that fact, so you turned her into dog food. I understand. It’s not because you’re Jewish. It has nothing to do with anything other than your own personal depravity.”

    “Well, thank you, Lucifer. I appreciate that disclaimer.”

    “You’re welcome. May I go on?”

    Both men nodded. They were not inclined to argue – after all, they were sitting in the presence of a being who could make their eternal damnation a lot more bearable, if they won his favor.

    “The thing is that Rolf here was murdered by none other than my own spawn.”

    Maury tensed up again. He knew who Lucifer was talking about, but he didn’t want to think about it.

    “You do know who I’m talking about, don’t you, Maury?”

    “David Hasselhoff?”

    “No, not David. Der Führer.”

    “I see.”

    “I had no idea he was the *real* Hitler,” Rolf said. “I thought he was just a crazy guy who looked a lot like him. That being said, I’m pretty disappointed. If I’d been a German in the 1930s, I never would have voted for him, let alone gassed Jews for him. The guy’s a p***y.”

    “He’s my son,” Lucifer said sharply.

    Neither Rolf nor Maury spoke for several long seconds. Lucifer finished his cigarette and then promptly lit another. He sniffed loudly before going on.

    “But you’re right, Rolf – he is a p***y. He made a real mess of things in Germany. That’s why I’ve had to keep him on such a tight leash for so many years. But I think he’s learned his lesson and he can be very useful to us.”

    Maury, normally so cautious and restrained, could not hold back any longer.

    “Lucifer, what is all of this about? I mean, Hitler, Rolf – why am I getting involved in all of this? You know how I feel about Nazis, don’t you?”

    “You know I do,” Lucifer replied, obviously annoyed. “But it’s my call, and I’ve made it. Now let me speak.”

    Maury took a deep breath and nodded. He mouthed (but did not truly speak) the word sorry.

    “The bottom line, Maury, is that I’m assigning you to work with Rolf. I’m temporarily reincarnating you both for earthside duty. You’ll be continuing our recruitment efforts among the gay skinheads.”

    Maury’s head twitched slightly as he absorbed this news. He hadn’t stepped foot on earth since Tuesday, May 19, 1998 – the day he’d jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge.

    “Rolf will pose as a male escort. You will pose as his sugar daddy – although you probably won’t be the *daddy*, if you get my drift. We’ll alter your facial features to give you a Nordic appearance.”

    Maury gagged.

    “I have to pose as Rolf’s *lover*?” he hissed. “Okay, but I’m not…”

    “I know, Maury. You’re not gay. Carolyn was hot. But you must be able to convince the other skinheads that your relationship with Rolf is genuine. If that means you have to bend over…”

    “No way, Lucifer. Forget it.”

    “Maury, you will submit to Rolf, if and when it becomes necessary to do so in order to maintain the illusion that you are lovers. Do you understand?”

    “Ugh. This is unbelievable. What’s in it for me?”

    Lucifer sighed. He was almost ready for a third cigarette.

    “You’ve already got a ceiling fan in your bedroom, Maury … how’d you like an air-conditioner for your whole apartment? Hell, how about a freezer for your kitchen, if you don’t screw this up?”

    “A *freezer*? Really?”

    “Yes, an honest-to-Lucifer freezer. But only if you do what I need you to do.”

    Maury glanced again at Rolf’s muscular torso, then looked up at his piercing blue eyes. Rolf smiled. Maury felt his stomach churn.

    “Hey, even if you were gay, you’d never be my type,” Rolf said. “I’m not into bitter aging queens at all. Even the ones with money. But I’ll f**k ’em to next Thursday if I have to. I can totally pull this off.”

    “I’m happy to know that,” Maury said. “I’m overjoyed.”

    “Good,” Satan said. “Now get out of my sight – both of you. Report immediately to Dr. Kevorkian for plastic surgery. Maury, tell him to give you a pretty Aryan mouth.”

    “I don’t need plastic surgery,” Rolf said.

    “Yes, you do,” Maury said. “You have a huge gaping hole in your forehead from the bullet that killed you.”

    “Oh. Well, I guess I’d better go.”

    “Good luck,” Satan said. “Now scram.”

    Rolf rose swiftly and strode forcefully into the hallway. Maury got up slowly and staggered uneasily toward the door, as if he’d been gut-punched.

    “It won’t be so bad,” Satan said cheerfully. “Just lie back and think of Israel.”

    Maury stumbled out of the office and closed the door behind him. Struggling to regain his footing, he moved at a snail’s pace toward the coffee machine.

    “I should have married Judy Morgenstern,” Maury thought. “My mother was right – I never should have dated shiksas. If I hadn’t dated shiksas, then I wouldn’t have ended up with Carolyn as my girlfriend. If I hadn’t ended up with Carolyn as my girlfriend, then she wouldn’t have dumped me for Larry. If she hadn’t dumped me for Larry, then I wouldn’t have killed her. If I hadn’t killed her, and then jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, then I wouldn’t have gone to Hell. If I hadn’t gone to Hell, then Lucifer wouldn’t have hired me as his lawyer. And if Lucifer had never hired me as his lawyer, then I wouldn’t be stuck working with Rolf the 6’5″ sphincter-shredding skinhead.”

    Finally reaching the machine, he stuck a \$100 bill in the slot. That was good for a small cup – just a couple of sips, really.

    “Of course,” he thought, “if I had killed Larry instead of Carolyn, then maybe she would have come back to me. You never know…”

    • LOL: Triteleia Laxa
  170. OT: Theranos founder Holmes claims ex-lover and co-accused Balwani abused, coerced her

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/08/28/theranos-founder-holmes-claims-ex-lover-and-co-accused-balwani-abused-coerced-her/

    When in major trouble go for the #MeToo, right Lizzie?

  171. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Feryl


    George Floyd as a monster, girls think he’s a misunderstood “victim”
     
    Not "misunderstood", but yes a "victim." He died in a manner that looks like a particularly callous murder

    What do women want? That’s a lot more complicated. You know they’ve done research showing that when women are most fertile they prefer dominant macho guys. At other phases they prefer a beta provider type.
     
    Neither of those have anything to do with George Floyd. It amazes me that you think any women would think so.

    Your idea of what women find sexy is your own bizarre fantasy.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    For any weirdo who thinks George Floyd is considered sexy please see his 46 year old drug addict former girlfriend who wouldn’t even commit to him.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You're not seeing the funniest angle:
    Slow down! I can't breathe!
    And trampling, etc..

  172. @Blodgie
    I’ll also add that most men of Unz can’t see female domination of the culture because they are dominated themselves by their controlling wives—and don’t even know it.

    How many of you dorks have said “Happy wife, happy life?”

    Replies: @anon

    Rollo Tomassi

    Agree

    How many of you dorks have said “Happy wife, happy life?”

    Almost all of them.

  173. “females spend more money at retail than males do (often spending it on their male loved ones). ” Not what I have ever seen! They spend it on themselves…\$200 haircuts, etc…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @pyrrhus

    You've never seen any mothers grocery shopping for their husbands and children?

  174. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    For any weirdo who thinks George Floyd is considered sexy please see his 46 year old drug addict former girlfriend who wouldn't even commit to him.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    You’re not seeing the funniest angle:
    Slow down! I can’t breathe!
    And trampling, etc..

  175. @Anonymous
    The golden age of UK TV was way way back in the 1960s and 70s, when networks were run almost exclusively be men. It was during this period that British TV made its greatest and most iconic programming - a period never to be repeated.

    During this gilded age, comedians more or less ruled the roost - as we would expect from male dominated TV. In those days mighty men walked the earth. Comedy giants such as Les Dawson, Bernard Manning, Benny Hill, Kenny Everett, the Two Ronnies, Morecambe & Wise, Bob Monkhouse, Bruce Forsyth etc etc were the undisputed giants of prime time.

    Now, British network TV is well and truly female run. Prime time is one shit soap opera after another shit soap opera. Daytime on ITV is dominated by the truly execrable 'This Morning' a show guaranteed to make anyone with an IQ above room temperature lose the will to live. Shallow 'celebrity' bollocks, rubbishy cooking segments, 'lifestyle' crap all interspersed by the endless plugging of a blatant illegal lottery,('phone in competition').

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @martin_2

    Here’s a list of unmissable TV programmes from the 1970’s and late 1960’s in the UK.

    The World at War
    Civilisation
    The Ascent of Man

    The Benny Hill Show
    Monty Python’s Flying Circus
    Steptoe and Son
    Till Death Us Do Part
    Fawlty Towers
    Dad’s Army

    The Wednesday Play
    Play for Today
    I Claudius
    The Naked Civil Servant
    Pennies From Heaven and other Plays by Dennis Potter

    What would be included in a list for the twenty first century? Love Island?

    Yet in those days white men dominated the industry, and there was no “diversity”.

    A similar and even stronger argument can be made with respect to Pop Music.

    • Agree: Dnought
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @martin_2

    UK terrestrial TV is more or less unwatchable these days - and that includes the 'Reithian' BBC1 as well as the plebby ITV.
    Even Channel 4 has turned to populist mush.


    Remember, years ago, when we used to hear the familiar refrain "Britain has the best TV in the world".

    Odd that we never hear that phrase anymore.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @martin_2

    These are not all personal recommendations, but they more than surpass 'The Benny Hill Show."

    The Night Manager
    Top Gear
    Rome
    Band of Brothers
    The Office
    Peep Show
    Planet Earth
    The Crown
    The Thick of It
    Fleabag
    Louis Theroux
    Black Mirror
    The Bodyguard
    Killing Eve

    Replies: @martin_2

  176. @Anon
    Most of what is on TV is crap pure and simple. TV was better when it was silly and almost surreal, like in the 60's with Green Acres, The Munsters, Get Smart etc. Now it is too preachy and agenda filled.

    Replies: @guest007, @Uncle Dan

    The golden age of TV was the 1950’s, with Howdy Doody, “I Remember Mama,” “The Mickey Mouse Club,” “Gunsmoke,” and the “Huntley and Brinkley Report.”

    It’s been downhill ever since.

  177. @MEH 0910
    OT:
    https://twitter.com/CTVNewsAdam/status/1430720837854715904

    NANAIMO, B.C. -- Khim Kaing was planning to cook a Cambodian delicacy for dinner — a duck egg. But instead of his culinary plan hatching, his wife discovered a duckling had.

    “He was out of the egg,” says his wife, Leanne Marlow, before showing me a video of the baby bird’s head poking out of the shell. “So it was like, no eating him!”

    The couple decided to keep the duck and named him Tiny.
     

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato, @Gary in Gramercy

    Wholesome story of the day.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  178. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1431396030734643207?s=20

    AIs don’t have new generations. Not very feminine of them.

    Replies: @El Dato

    That’s all strongly fugged up.

    Best comment today by an activist regarding upcoming force marriage of the Afghan girls to the bearded Taliban: “Unfortunately Europe cannot take up 35 million Afghans [yeah, waht would the Africans say?]. So we must help them locally as quickly as possible.”

    20 years of helping followed by MORE helping sounds like a perfect plan.

  179. @Expletive Deleted
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Jesus Christ I'm ten years older than that weirdo, and I have better skin, less rheumy eyes and a load more hair than that. He looks like a terminal wino.
    And all I've ever done is drink, hoor and work in the rain for all that time. While eating cheap garbage.

    What's his real name,eh?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    I got to admit, it’s sort of strange that he works in the “anti-aging” field. It’s like finding out that Chris Christie is secretly moonlighting as a fitness blogger.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Just about every female yoga instructor I've ever seen in person is fat.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @JMcG
    @JohnnyWalker123

    He’s 97!

  180. @pyrrhus
    "females spend more money at retail than males do (often spending it on their male loved ones). " Not what I have ever seen! They spend it on themselves...$200 haircuts, etc...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    You’ve never seen any mothers grocery shopping for their husbands and children?

  181. @Enzo the Baker
    I saw it happen in the Army. Seemed like it happened overnight, but really it was over the span of maybe five years. Was an Army brat from the early 70s on, then went through commissioning and was an officer in the 1990s, 2000s, and early 2010s. Growing up in the 70s and 80s the Vietnam vets still on active duty were all tough, masculine, great dads and neighbors. By the time I was an officer most of those guys had retired and the generation that led the all volunteer military had to soften up their approach a bit for retention purposes, and it just stuck. As more jobs were opened to women, the trend accelerated. At unit hail & farewells, occasionally a guy would get choked up in his farewell speech as he rotated to a new assignment, and those of us in the back of the room would roll their eyes. By the 2000s there were Command Sergeants Major openly weeping in front of hundreds of troops as they accepted their PCS awards. Crazy. Hugging also became a big thing. My guess is it started at in theater memorial services (understandable) and just migrated into a general greeting. Haven't seen a guy in a few months? Big, increasingly gay hug. "You're alive!" (Even though both are REMF desk jockeys). As a retiree I went to a recruiting function aimed at educating CEOs on the military and getting some kind of undefined help from them in carrying the recruiting message to the public. The general in charge didn't say more than a dozen words to any CEO; he spent the entire function hugging female captains and majors, looking at pictures of the three kids they had while on active duty, etc.
    Ok, rant complete. Bottomline - yes, the culture has been feminized, and Oprah-ized to boot. If everyone was happier, it might be ok. But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

    Replies: @Dube, @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @Uncle Dan

    I don’t see any problem here —- as long as this new military doesn’t have to fight.

  182. @Alden
    Good points. Except I’m pretty sure the 140 year old women’s suffrage which grew out of the abolish slavery movement wasn’t Jewish. Mostly Buttinsky liberal WASP ladies.

    The present feminazi movement going on 60 years now was Jewish. The first feminazis were all jews. The founder, Betty Friedan was an organizer of the Young Socialist of America in college. SLA was hard left. Advocated a lot more than ordinary European style socialism. More like Castro style socialism.

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil

    Krazy Kate Millett was Irish Catholic.

  183. @Steve Sailer
    @Dnought

    I wrote a spec script for "Arliss." The Arliss showrunner absolutely hated my script and told me This Is Not What Arliss Is About. But a different show's showrunner thought it was funny and bought a script I wrote for his show, although the two showrunners ended up rewriting about 80% of it (because profession comedy writers are much funner than semi-professionals like myslef).. But then his show got cancelled so it never got on the air.

    Replies: @Dnought, @Paul Mendez

    In the 90’s I knew a guy who wrote a short story that won an award in a trendy magazine. Producer A thought it would make a good vehicle for Current Big Star, so he not only optioned the story but paid the author to take a first stab at the script.

    Based solely on the fact that Producer A hired him to write a script for Current Big Star, Producer B hired him to write a script for HIS Current Big Star.

    The rest of the story is too long to go into, but the summary is he spent a busy couple of years writing or rewriting scripts in Hollywood, none of which made it into production. Eventually, producers decided if he had been there that long and didn’t have any credits, he must not be any good and he stopped getting work.

    He was in his 50’s at the time. He said it was a lot of fun, but he wished he had started when he was a younger man.

  184. @Anonymous
    @JackOH


    I didn’t learn the value of line-by-line editing
     
    What is line-by-line editing?

    Replies: @JackOH

    “Close textual analysis” might be a better way of phrasing the idea. Another way of thinking of line-by-line editing is to think of a lawyer poring over every word in an important contract.

    Examine every line to check whether it contributes to or detracts from the impact you want to have on the reader you’re addressing. Also, examine every line for ordinary English housekeeping: grammar, spelling, style consistency, and the like.

    One straightforward example is from an unpublished essay of mine in which I wanted to use “open shop” and “closed shop”, referring to employers that were “open” to hiring non-union workers, and employers that were “closed” to all but union workers. I wanted to use “open” and “closed” in an extended sense. I was infatuated with the idea.

    I kicked the essay around, then canned it. The audience I wanted to reach was unlikely to be unionized, so “open” and “closed” would not resonate with them. Those who were unionized were most likely hired under “union shop” rules that permitted hiring of non-union workers on condition they be enrolled in the union after their probationary period.

    I really liked the essay. It was a turkey. It was line-by-line editing done at a sort of psychological arm’s length that kept me from making an even worse fool of myself by submitting it for publication.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JackOH

    Thank you!

  185. @SimpleSong
    Even simpler: women have more of the power in this society, so of course it starts to look feminine. They have:

    1.) More political power. There are (slightly) more women than men, so they can outvote men, and shape the government based on their desires. This has translated into:

    2.) More economic power. Male dominated industries like manufacturing are subject to brutal international competition, often from countries with governments that support or subsidize their own manufacturing champions. They are also subject to constant attempts to automate and squeeze out more productivity.

    On the other hand, there has been just about zero interest in automating or improving the productivity of female dominated industries. Could we deliver education just as effectively using modern technology for a fraction of the cost? Probably. Are local governments ever going to attempt this? No chance. Look at how effectively teachers unions have fought vouchers, versus how ineffective manufacturing unions have been at putting up tariffs or implementing industrial policy. Of course men sorta shoot themselves in the foot on this because they love muh competition.

    3.) The ultimate authority about whether and when the next generation gets brought into existence.
    That's kind of a big one. Also,

    4.) Residual cultural power: most of the social mores that were designed to protect women during the days when men had all the economic and political power are still around, although slightly watered down. Violence against women is taken much more seriously than violence against men, women's healthcare is subsidized compared to mens, men who don't earn enough are far more stigmatized than women, etc.

    I don't think this has made women happier, or made their lives better, but no doubt they are in aggregate more powerful than men. Just because the majority of powerful individuals are men, that doesn't mean that men in aggregate have more power than women in aggregate--they used to, but now they don't.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Paul Mendez, @Anonymous

    Let me add to your list the fact that life is just physically easier than it was 50 years ago.

    Automobiles and appliances are easier to operate and maintain. Hardware stores are full of “solutions” instead of parts and tools. And there are service providers for every imaginable task.

    50 years ago, my father spent his spare time tuning up the car, fixing the leaky faucet, cutting the grass, cleaning the gutters. Now, all those projects and more are outsourced.

  186. @Anonymous
    @guest007


    Image in about 30 years where the AOC, MTG, Pelosi, or Jayapal types will be the majority of Congress and the Senate.
     
    I dunno.... Competitive men can do business together reasonably well, but competitive women have a much harder time of it. Their disputes are too personal.

    Case in point... Before the last UK general election which sealed the deal, there was a desperate attempt to prevent Brexit by forming an (I am not making this up) all-female 'government of national unity' (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/11/caroline-lucas-calls-for-emergency-female-cabinet-to-block-no-deal-brexit).

    Despite all the plotters passionately agreeing on the principle, this plan swiftly fell apart when none of them could agree who would be in charge.

    Replies: @Momus, @guest007

    It does not matter how women organize themselves. Healthcare in the U.S. is around 80% female. The same with education, mental health, social work, childcare, and elder care. Eventually the budget requirements of those programs are going to squeeze out everything else.

    What male will want to go into politics to be the tax collector for the nanny state.

  187. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism,

    Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial?

    Replies: @Alden, @gandydancer

    Your 2nd-to-last paragraph in this article has lost it’s trailing tip.

    As mentioned upthread, the article also includes “I sued” when “I used” was meant.

    And, while I’m at it, your posts contain a “Website” link that goes to “We’re sorry. That page could not be found.”

  188. OT: COVID news

    Delta bites the unvaccinated twice as hard as Alpha which means trouble going forward. Also, monoclonal antibody treatments in the US (if you want to avail yourself to that, go the the local pop-up MCA station immediately when you think you got the virus as it’s only good when the infection gets going)

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @El Dato


    Delta bites the unvaccinated twice as hard as Alpha...
     
    2.26 times as hard, according to the doc. That is, if you are unvaccinated and have symptoms and the test shows Delta you are 2.26 times as likely to be hospitalized as if the test shows Alpha. But that assumes that your chances of being asymptomatic as between Alpha and Delta are identical, no? Is that true?
  189. @AnotherDad
    The really toxic brew is having minoritarianism--rather than a healthy nationalism/civilizationalism/traditionalism--as your dominant ideology, so female compliance/status seeking reinforces parrots that while throwing in misplaced (childless/low-fertility) feminine nurturing and emotionalism.

    You end up with "dead baby on the beach ... we must do something!", "they're keeping them in cages!!!" and the classic "refugees welcome". And Social media just provides a super-hen-circle to make it worse.

    Women's concerns, interests and "mental approach" simply aren't what a healthy nations' political life looks like.


    Women--especially young women--were a lot more emotionally healthy when the day started with a few hours of milking the cows, gathering the eggs, getting breakfast ready before getting on to the rest of the day's work. (Men emotionally healthier with physical farm work as well.)

    But it's an open question how well any culture can manage modernity--all the technological innovations that have dramatically reduced work and cut mortality--and still have sane sensible females in a relatively low-fertility (even at replacement) environment.

    The West has failed. The Chinese may do better--maybe.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Tono Bungay, @James J O'Meara, @Mike Tre, @Technite78

    They have too much time on their hands, simply put, to validate and reinforce their own emotional cascading.

    Think of all the women who started the original “girl power” organizations 100 plus years ago. Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mike Tre

    Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.

    Huh?

    Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the Girls Scouts of America, was the daughter of a Confederate cavalry captain. Her father's father was a US Senator and married the niece of a Supreme Court justice. Her mother's father had arrived in what would become Chicago in 1804 and became the first sheriff of Cook County in the 1830s. Her mother's mother was a historian of the frontier Midwest and helped found the first Episcopal church of Chicago.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Reg Cæsar

  190. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Expletive Deleted

    I got to admit, it's sort of strange that he works in the "anti-aging" field. It's like finding out that Chris Christie is secretly moonlighting as a fitness blogger.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JMcG

    Just about every female yoga instructor I’ve ever seen in person is fat.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mike Tre

    You've been going to the wrong yoga studios.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  191. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    Even simpler: women have more of the power in this society, so of course it starts to look feminine. They have:

    1.) More political power. There are (slightly) more women than men, so they can outvote men, and shape the government based on their desires. This has translated into:

    2.) More economic power. Male dominated industries like manufacturing are subject to brutal international competition, often from countries with governments that support or subsidize their own manufacturing champions. They are also subject to constant attempts to automate and squeeze out more productivity.

    On the other hand, there has been just about zero interest in automating or improving the productivity of female dominated industries. Could we deliver education just as effectively using modern technology for a fraction of the cost? Probably. Are local governments ever going to attempt this? No chance. Look at how effectively teachers unions have fought vouchers, versus how ineffective manufacturing unions have been at putting up tariffs or implementing industrial policy. Of course men sorta shoot themselves in the foot on this because they love muh competition.

    3.) The ultimate authority about whether and when the next generation gets brought into existence.
    That's kind of a big one. Also,

    4.) Residual cultural power: most of the social mores that were designed to protect women during the days when men had all the economic and political power are still around, although slightly watered down. Violence against women is taken much more seriously than violence against men, women's healthcare is subsidized compared to mens, men who don't earn enough are far more stigmatized than women, etc.

    I don't think this has made women happier, or made their lives better, but no doubt they are in aggregate more powerful than men. Just because the majority of powerful individuals are men, that doesn't mean that men in aggregate have more power than women in aggregate--they used to, but now they don't.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Paul Mendez, @Anonymous

    There is no discussion of the barbarians within or without the gate who really do threaten women. Instead the main “threat” to women is advanced as harassment and equal pay and pronouns etc. and that can be handled by who? Women lawyers and judges. There is zero comprehension of what it takes to defend a society from the real (not metaphorical) physical violence of uncivilized men. Our women may learn this when it is too late. I note these feminizing trends are not pronounced in Israel, where the men still serve in combat units and for good reason.

  192. @Feryl
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Most "health nuts" and fitness buffs are neurotic obsessives who stress themselves into, ironically, being unhealthy. Also, over training (via cardio or weightlifting) is bad for you. I sometimes wonder if these people have some kind of autism that's funneled into body image.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @David Davenport

    Low protein consumption makes them look gaunt. Also, they don’t sleep enough.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Some of these gurus purposely avoid red meat/fattier meats because they "make you fat". They get starved of important nutrients so their skin ends up looking jaundiced and dry at a fairly young age. Somewhat overweight people often have healthier looking skin than fitness gurus. These people have body image issues where sheer leaness is irattionally regarded as healthy.

    On the subject of skin "glowing", it's a sign of healthy nourishment. Starved people (whether due to poverty or delusional "fitness" memes) lack that.

  193. @TWS
    @Desiderius

    When did it change from white to wealthy? I've heard white since the sixties.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    As opposed to the Chinese Anglo-Saxon Protestants?

    C’mon man.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
  194. @Anonymous
    @Alden

    There was nothing valid about that guy's "theory"; he's flat out lying. Northeast WASPS have always been the image of athleticism and hegemonic male dominance in America. Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about. On the contrary, they were seen as rather dimunitive and inert.

    Also, the women's suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp). Feminism and suffrage are anithetical to WASP values, it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in. In keeping with their egalitarian, matriarchical roots and ancestry.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @mc23, @Agathoklis, @J.Ross, @Dnought

    Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about.

    By 1885, according to statistics compiled by Hall of Fame historian Lee Allen, more than 40 percent of all major-league players claimed Irish ancestry

    https://sabr.org/journal/article/the-green-and-the-blue-the-irish-american-umpire-1880-1965/

    Back around the turn of the century it was pretty much common knowledge that the Irish were pro baseball players far in excess of their proportion of the population. An Irish ballplayer was almost as much of a stereotype as an Irish cop.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dnought

    Big league baseball was increasingly Irish dominated in the 1890s, both Irish players and Irish fans. Ballparks were getting pretty drunken and violent. The American League was started in 1901 to provide a more genteel alternative to the older National League and was an immediate hit.

    My sense is that lots of Hollywood leading men have been Irish too, although I don't have any data on that.

    , @Anon
    @Dnought


    By 1885, according to statistics compiled by Hall of Fame historian Lee Allen, more than 40 percent of all major-league players claimed Irish ancestry
     
    A lot of Scots Irish identified as “Irish.”
  195. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Anonymous

    I've long thought that movies and television are basically tapped out venues, no longer fields for greatness. The pioneers are long gone and the legacy they created is being picked apart by lesser creatures.

    I quit watching television 20 years ago and I almost never see a new film release, but watch older ones instead. I'm not sure how anyone can endure the plotless, psychedelic cape-shit and visual nonsense that passes for a movie these days---artless spectacles devoid of logic and proportion.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Projects not even possible to make but which would be awesome:
    The Flashman Papers
    Killing Rage (Eamon Collins’ life in and out of the IRA)
    Something about Jonestown which included all the left-wing stuff which is normally completely censored (talentless hack Eli Roth did a not!Jonestown movie in which the Real Bad Guy is Christianity)
    Saburo Sakai, Japanese air ace, who had to fly himself back to base with injured eyes
    Lucifer’s Hammer, not updated, all period details intact

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    How often are sci-fi movies set in a past period? Maybe just "The Time Machine" and other time travel stories? I guess some of the Spielberg nostalgia shows like Stranger Days?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @JMcG
    @J.Ross

    It’s kind of crazy that Yeager’s autobiography didn’t get filmed. I always chalked it up to the poor showing that The Right Stuff made at theaters.

  196. @Mike Tre
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Just about every female yoga instructor I've ever seen in person is fat.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You’ve been going to the wrong yoga studios.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Heh. My wife is a popular spinning instructor. Her physique resembles Rosie Cotton’s. Healthy BMI is higher for women than for men.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  197. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland
    @SimpleSong

    Women's reproductive strategies are different from a men's. An attractive fertile low status female has the advantage over a low fertility high status one. Status is useful for things such as quality of mate and provisioning but most women can have children if they want and if they do, there are benefits in society they can avail themselves to that helps them get by. A man's world is much more competitive and is 'winner take all'.

    This is why women gravitate towards neo-socialism. A progressive income tax scrapes income away from the winners and gives it to the bottom 3 quintiles thereby taking money from primarily alpha men and subsidizing largely mediocre women. It also acts as an insurance policy for all women who's circumstances change (like when they get older). Having been given a 5 second head start, there are certain things women don't or are much less willing to do such as working at night, traveling, dangerous jobs, etc. They don't need to because there is an endless supply of low paid office jobs that will pay enough money that they can survive.

    That reproductive path is not open to men. If they earn less than their partners, they are subjected to a diminished position within their family and are much more likely to be cancelled at some point not of their choosing. Men have to preform, always.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Women’s reproductive strategies are different from a men’s. An attractive fertile low status female has the advantage over a low fertility high status one. Status is useful for things such as quality of mate and provisioning but most women can have children if they want and if they do, there are benefits in society they can avail themselves to that helps them get by. A man’s world is much more competitive and is ‘winner take all’.

    Could you please elaborate on this? It looks potentially enlightening but I don’t fully grasp any of the sentences. Would you consider expanding on each of them please?

  198. @JackOH
    @Anonymous

    "Close textual analysis" might be a better way of phrasing the idea. Another way of thinking of line-by-line editing is to think of a lawyer poring over every word in an important contract.

    Examine every line to check whether it contributes to or detracts from the impact you want to have on the reader you're addressing. Also, examine every line for ordinary English housekeeping: grammar, spelling, style consistency, and the like.

    One straightforward example is from an unpublished essay of mine in which I wanted to use "open shop" and "closed shop", referring to employers that were "open" to hiring non-union workers, and employers that were "closed" to all but union workers. I wanted to use "open" and "closed" in an extended sense. I was infatuated with the idea.

    I kicked the essay around, then canned it. The audience I wanted to reach was unlikely to be unionized, so "open" and "closed" would not resonate with them. Those who were unionized were most likely hired under "union shop" rules that permitted hiring of non-union workers on condition they be enrolled in the union after their probationary period.

    I really liked the essay. It was a turkey. It was line-by-line editing done at a sort of psychological arm's length that kept me from making an even worse fool of myself by submitting it for publication.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Thank you!

  199. @J.Ross
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Projects not even possible to make but which would be awesome:
    The Flashman Papers
    Killing Rage (Eamon Collins' life in and out of the IRA)
    Something about Jonestown which included all the left-wing stuff which is normally completely censored (talentless hack Eli Roth did a not!Jonestown movie in which the Real Bad Guy is Christianity)
    Saburo Sakai, Japanese air ace, who had to fly himself back to base with injured eyes
    Lucifer's Hammer, not updated, all period details intact

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG

    How often are sci-fi movies set in a past period? Maybe just “The Time Machine” and other time travel stories? I guess some of the Spielberg nostalgia shows like Stranger Days?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Every one we watch which isn't new. Have you not heard of Steampunk or seen the Prestige? Pretty sure Lovecraft fans are okay with period sci-fi. If that's an unwritten rule, it's a mistake: a product of the propaganda imperative to use sci-fi to celebrate real life technology. Period sci-fi sounds like a fantastic win-win.

  200. @Dnought
    @Anonymous


    Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about.
     
    By 1885, according to statistics compiled by Hall of Fame historian Lee Allen, more than 40 percent of all major-league players claimed Irish ancestry

    https://sabr.org/journal/article/the-green-and-the-blue-the-irish-american-umpire-1880-1965/

    Back around the turn of the century it was pretty much common knowledge that the Irish were pro baseball players far in excess of their proportion of the population. An Irish ballplayer was almost as much of a stereotype as an Irish cop.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

    Big league baseball was increasingly Irish dominated in the 1890s, both Irish players and Irish fans. Ballparks were getting pretty drunken and violent. The American League was started in 1901 to provide a more genteel alternative to the older National League and was an immediate hit.

    My sense is that lots of Hollywood leading men have been Irish too, although I don’t have any data on that.

    • Agree: Dnought
  201. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mike Tre

    You've been going to the wrong yoga studios.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Heh. My wife is a popular spinning instructor. Her physique resembles Rosie Cotton’s. Healthy BMI is higher for women than for men.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Desiderius


    Healthy BMI is higher for women than for men.
     
    You have that the wrong way around due to relative muscle mass.

    Perhaps you meant body fat percentage?

    In which case you would be right, but a woman with a higher body fat percentage will look slimmer than a man with a somewhat lower one.
  202. @advancedatheist
    Speaking of #MeToo, Steve, what do you make of Aubrey de Grey's situation?

    At least Aubrey, beneath his nerdy exterior, is unmistakably masculine and heterosexual, and he has apparently enjoyed some success in attracting women. I'd much rather that he be the wizardly face of transhumanism than someone like that creepy Martin Rothblatt with his transgender fetish.

    You'd think by now men in Silicon Valley would have learned to avoid halfway pretty girls who show up and feign interest in their "disruptive" projects, like Aubrey's Strategies for Engineering Negligible Senescence, because these women are probably adventuresses on the make, like the two who coordinated their attack on Aubrey.

    Replies: @Bill

    Or, perhaps in addition to being an oily conman, he’s also a creepy pervert.

  203. @AnotherDad
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Not to worry – it’s all gonna come to a head when the financial STHF happens. I don’t want to say I’m looking forward to that, but I will enjoy a number of aspects of it, I gotta admit …
     
    This is nonsense, and folks on the right--conservatives/nationalists/traditionalists--should stop using it as cope.

    The US dollar is the world's premier reserve currency. So we can money print with less dramatic effect than most. What happens is that changes? Serious inflation.

    Ultimately what could people do with their dollars? Buy stuff in the US. Mostly it would be assets. US companies, housing, farm land. Housing will get more expensive, and we'll all be poorer. (Another priority of a nationalist government should be banning property sales to foreigners.) But foreigners will also by more stuff as well--some industrial stuff that we're still good at. And US commodities. We'd be even more competitive in grains than we are already. Those prices--along with commodities in general--spike. So US farmland would be valuable--which is why lots of people are buying it. And again, we'll pay more for our food and be poorer.

    On the demographic side, we're already locked into slumping toward being sort of a high-end Latino nation. The Chinese--if they deal with some of their own demographic/eugenic issues--would presumably wrest the technological lead from us. But the US will continue to have competent white and now some Asian guys to keep the trains running, the planes flying, the lights on.

    No, sorry there is no SHTF crisis to "resolve the contradictions" or whatever. There is just a long slow decline. And if we don't want to slump down that decline we must fight and win--or separate--now.

    Nothing will save us, but us.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Respectfully, A.D., because I agree with you 98% of the (other) time, you don’t seem to have any idea of how bad the financial mess is in this country. It’s not just the nation’s approaching \$30,000,000,000,000 debt, but the other US government obligations (SS, disability, etc) that add up to a multiple of that, and the the various municipal/government/private pension plans that can only run with 6-8% average returns, while the FED MUST hold interest rates down to 1 to 2 % or bad things happen*.

    Funny you bring up these exact things: US companies, housing, farm land. Housing …. Yes, these are assets. There is a lot of ruin in a nation**, said Adam Smith (the Scottish economist, not the unz/PS commentator, though he probably would agree). Who do you think will buy these assets? We lose nearly \$500,000,000,000 to the Chinese yearly. They could buy all the good farmland with this money in half a decade! A property sale ban won’t work, as money talks, one way or another – The version of the golden rule used by much of the world, including the Chinese, is “he who has the gold make the rules.”

    I will give a link bomb that I don’t expect anyone to read, but it’s for the fact that I wrote about this in “Will America be looted by China?”, with 6 parts, and they cover these assets you just listed:

    Intro.
    Housing
    Big Biz
    The Fruited Plain
    The Wilderness
    Conclusion – the Golden Rule

    There WILL be serious inflation, reserve currency or not. That’s what’s fueling the current housing boom – people are realizing that they’d better hold onto something tangible.

    I can’t stand when people use the word “cope” as a noun. That is beneath you. Either way, it’s not that the financial SHTF is the ideal solution, just that it will occur well before enough Americans get up and fight this stuff. The reason is that, when people still have something to lose most of them will not take a stand.

    If I could do it on-line, I would bet money with you on this, Another Dad. It wouldn’t be in US Dollars though!

    Read some Ron Paul, right here on The Unz Review.

    .

    * Two of them: The yearly interest to be paid on debt goes up to 40% of the national budget – that’s at normal “price of money” rates of 7% only! Also, the stock market tanks, which is the only thing that’s making Americans feel like they have some money.

    ** See Part 2 and a Part 3.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman


    and the the various municipal/government/private pension plans that can only run with 6-8% average returns,
     
    Why do they need returns to be so high in order to “run”?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  204. @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    They have too much time on their hands, simply put, to validate and reinforce their own emotional cascading.

    Think of all the women who started the original "girl power" organizations 100 plus years ago. Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.

    Huh?

    Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the Girls Scouts of America, was the daughter of a Confederate cavalry captain. Her father’s father was a US Senator and married the niece of a Supreme Court justice. Her mother’s father had arrived in what would become Chicago in 1804 and became the first sheriff of Cook County in the 1830s. Her mother’s mother was a historian of the frontier Midwest and helped found the first Episcopal church of Chicago.

    • LOL: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, she totally doesn't look jewish and definitely looks Scots Irish to me!

    https://www.toledoblade.com/image/2012/01/16/800x_b1_cCM_z_cT/Juliette-Gordon-Low-01-16-2012.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @gandydancer

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the Girls Scouts of America, was the daughter of a Confederate cavalry captain.

     

    I'd read somewhere that only 1/3 of Gordons in the US are Jewish often with some connection to Grodno. (Max Bialystock in The Producers might be a shot at someone named Gordon. Grodno and Białystok are not that far apart.) The rest are presumably Scottish or Scots-Irish.

    Juliet's ancestor Ambrose Gordon was born in New Jersey in 1751. The family went to Georgia. Very S-I, it appears.

    On the other hand, Gaelic-Slavic ties, such as the Machlejd/MacLeod family of Poland, are not unknown.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWMi96JIR8


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/a2/db/d5a2db16bf636df46ebcd34eb1f7deb4.jpg

    Replies: @JackOH, @gandydancer

  205. @Desiderius
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Heh. My wife is a popular spinning instructor. Her physique resembles Rosie Cotton’s. Healthy BMI is higher for women than for men.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Healthy BMI is higher for women than for men.

    You have that the wrong way around due to relative muscle mass.

    Perhaps you meant body fat percentage?

    In which case you would be right, but a woman with a higher body fat percentage will look slimmer than a man with a somewhat lower one.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  206. @Dnought
    @Anonymous


    Catholic immigrants have never had a reputation for athleticism, masculinity, or anything he was talking about.
     
    By 1885, according to statistics compiled by Hall of Fame historian Lee Allen, more than 40 percent of all major-league players claimed Irish ancestry

    https://sabr.org/journal/article/the-green-and-the-blue-the-irish-american-umpire-1880-1965/

    Back around the turn of the century it was pretty much common knowledge that the Irish were pro baseball players far in excess of their proportion of the population. An Irish ballplayer was almost as much of a stereotype as an Irish cop.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

    By 1885, according to statistics compiled by Hall of Fame historian Lee Allen, more than 40 percent of all major-league players claimed Irish ancestry

    A lot of Scots Irish identified as “Irish.”

  207. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    Respectfully, A.D., because I agree with you 98% of the (other) time, you don't seem to have any idea of how bad the financial mess is in this country. It's not just the nation's approaching $30,000,000,000,000 debt, but the other US government obligations (SS, disability, etc) that add up to a multiple of that, and the the various municipal/government/private pension plans that can only run with 6-8% average returns, while the FED MUST hold interest rates down to 1 to 2 % or bad things happen*.

    Funny you bring up these exact things: US companies, housing, farm land. Housing .... Yes, these are assets. There is a lot of ruin in a nation**, said Adam Smith (the Scottish economist, not the unz/PS commentator, though he probably would agree). Who do you think will buy these assets? We lose nearly $500,000,000,000 to the Chinese yearly. They could buy all the good farmland with this money in half a decade! A property sale ban won't work, as money talks, one way or another - The version of the golden rule used by much of the world, including the Chinese, is "he who has the gold make the rules."

    I will give a link bomb that I don't expect anyone to read, but it's for the fact that I wrote about this in "Will America be looted by China?", with 6 parts, and they cover these assets you just listed:

    Intro.
    Housing
    Big Biz
    The Fruited Plain
    The Wilderness
    Conclusion - the Golden Rule

    There WILL be serious inflation, reserve currency or not. That's what's fueling the current housing boom - people are realizing that they'd better hold onto something tangible.

    I can't stand when people use the word "cope" as a noun. That is beneath you. Either way, it's not that the financial SHTF is the ideal solution, just that it will occur well before enough Americans get up and fight this stuff. The reason is that, when people still have something to lose most of them will not take a stand.

    If I could do it on-line, I would bet money with you on this, Another Dad. It wouldn't be in US Dollars though!

    Read some Ron Paul, right here on The Unz Review.

    .


    * Two of them: The yearly interest to be paid on debt goes up to 40% of the national budget - that's at normal "price of money" rates of 7% only! Also, the stock market tanks, which is the only thing that's making Americans feel like they have some money.

    ** See Part 2 and a Part 3.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    and the the various municipal/government/private pension plans that can only run with 6-8% average returns,

    Why do they need returns to be so high in order to “run”?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    I suppose "run" is not an accounting term, #153, but by that I mean remain solvent. The obligations to pension recipients, from everything I've read about 'em, is based on 6-8% returns, which were quite reasonable in SAFE investments before the FED forced rates into the basement over 10 years back.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  208. @Steve Sailer
    @Mike Tre

    Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.

    Huh?

    Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the Girls Scouts of America, was the daughter of a Confederate cavalry captain. Her father's father was a US Senator and married the niece of a Supreme Court justice. Her mother's father had arrived in what would become Chicago in 1804 and became the first sheriff of Cook County in the 1830s. Her mother's mother was a historian of the frontier Midwest and helped found the first Episcopal church of Chicago.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, she totally doesn’t look jewish and definitely looks Scots Irish to me!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Mike Tre

    Miles! You don't drink coffee!

    , @gandydancer
    @Mike Tre

    I was wondering if there was a reference work for Jews on Brain types like you which would identify the likes of William Washington Gordon II as "Jewish" but, nah, you're just making stupid shit up. My low opinion of you is confirmed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Washington_Gordon_II
    http://ghs.galileo.usg.edu/ghs/view?docId=ead/MS%200318-ead.xml;query=;brand=default

  209. Very pretty but hard drinking would lead to verbal and physical violence. He was warned. Talk about stereotypes.

    She was tiny and he was huge, bigger then John Wayne and he would square off in bar fights with some tough guys but he wasn’t into old country style domestic discipline.

  210. @Anonymous
    @Enzo the Baker


    But the crazy part, the women are miserable about it and they make sure their husbands/boyfriends are, too.

     

    Why are the women miserable about it?

    Replies: @IgorStravinsky

    Why are the women miserable about it?

    Because they are getting what they are histronically demanding.

  211. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Feryl

    Low protein consumption makes them look gaunt. Also, they don't sleep enough.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Some of these gurus purposely avoid red meat/fattier meats because they “make you fat”. They get starved of important nutrients so their skin ends up looking jaundiced and dry at a fairly young age. Somewhat overweight people often have healthier looking skin than fitness gurus. These people have body image issues where sheer leaness is irattionally regarded as healthy.

    On the subject of skin “glowing”, it’s a sign of healthy nourishment. Starved people (whether due to poverty or delusional “fitness” memes) lack that.

  212. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Expletive Deleted

    I got to admit, it's sort of strange that he works in the "anti-aging" field. It's like finding out that Chris Christie is secretly moonlighting as a fitness blogger.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JMcG

    He’s 97!

    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
  213. @J.Ross
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Projects not even possible to make but which would be awesome:
    The Flashman Papers
    Killing Rage (Eamon Collins' life in and out of the IRA)
    Something about Jonestown which included all the left-wing stuff which is normally completely censored (talentless hack Eli Roth did a not!Jonestown movie in which the Real Bad Guy is Christianity)
    Saburo Sakai, Japanese air ace, who had to fly himself back to base with injured eyes
    Lucifer's Hammer, not updated, all period details intact

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG

    It’s kind of crazy that Yeager’s autobiography didn’t get filmed. I always chalked it up to the poor showing that The Right Stuff made at theaters.

  214. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    How often are sci-fi movies set in a past period? Maybe just "The Time Machine" and other time travel stories? I guess some of the Spielberg nostalgia shows like Stranger Days?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Every one we watch which isn’t new. Have you not heard of Steampunk or seen the Prestige? Pretty sure Lovecraft fans are okay with period sci-fi. If that’s an unwritten rule, it’s a mistake: a product of the propaganda imperative to use sci-fi to celebrate real life technology. Period sci-fi sounds like a fantastic win-win.

  215. @AnotherDad
    The really toxic brew is having minoritarianism--rather than a healthy nationalism/civilizationalism/traditionalism--as your dominant ideology, so female compliance/status seeking reinforces parrots that while throwing in misplaced (childless/low-fertility) feminine nurturing and emotionalism.

    You end up with "dead baby on the beach ... we must do something!", "they're keeping them in cages!!!" and the classic "refugees welcome". And Social media just provides a super-hen-circle to make it worse.

    Women's concerns, interests and "mental approach" simply aren't what a healthy nations' political life looks like.


    Women--especially young women--were a lot more emotionally healthy when the day started with a few hours of milking the cows, gathering the eggs, getting breakfast ready before getting on to the rest of the day's work. (Men emotionally healthier with physical farm work as well.)

    But it's an open question how well any culture can manage modernity--all the technological innovations that have dramatically reduced work and cut mortality--and still have sane sensible females in a relatively low-fertility (even at replacement) environment.

    The West has failed. The Chinese may do better--maybe.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Tono Bungay, @James J O'Meara, @Mike Tre, @Technite78

    “Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop” is a bit of valuable old school wisdom.

    People who fill their lives with productive efforts are likely to be happy and healthy.

    People who fill their lives with useless pursuits or excessive leisure are likely to be unhappy and unhealthy.

    Modern technology coupled with central bank over-stimulus is creating a lot of unhappy and unhealthy people.

  216. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, she totally doesn't look jewish and definitely looks Scots Irish to me!

    https://www.toledoblade.com/image/2012/01/16/800x_b1_cCM_z_cT/Juliette-Gordon-Low-01-16-2012.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @gandydancer

    Miles! You don’t drink coffee!

  217. @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman


    and the the various municipal/government/private pension plans that can only run with 6-8% average returns,
     
    Why do they need returns to be so high in order to “run”?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I suppose “run” is not an accounting term, #153, but by that I mean remain solvent. The obligations to pension recipients, from everything I’ve read about ’em, is based on 6-8% returns, which were quite reasonable in SAFE investments before the FED forced rates into the basement over 10 years back.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If your small town has promised the local sheriff that they will pay him $1000 a year for life when he retires at 65, then you assume an annual return and work backwards to find out how much you have to put into his retirement fund now and in future years. Obviously you have to put in much less if you assume the money will grow at 8% per year than if you assume 4% per year. Investors would kill to get 4% a year these days.

    Congress passed the ERISA act in the late 70s which required private defined benefit retirement plans ($1000 a year for life) to be examined yearly by an actuary for fiscal soundness because the plans were going broke left and right (steel, airlines, etc). But for years municipal and state defined benefit plans were not required to be examined and were allowed to assume whatever return they wanted. Many of them are so badly funded (underwater) that they will never catch up even if returns do rise to 8%.

    See pensiontsunami.com for more gory details or this https://www.city-journal.org/covid-19-lockdowns-exposed-cities-deep-seated-financial-troubles

    Replies: @anon

  218. @rebel yell
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I always thought bathos meant false or inauthentic suffering, as compared to pathos, true suffering. Bathos would be crocodile tears and soap opera. Looking up the word in the dictionary, I see the definitions include "insincere pathos, obvious sentimentality, mawkishness", which is close to what I have in mind.
    I see from other definitions listed for bathos that the word is incorrect for what I have in mind.
    This subject interests me, since I think the Greeks were on to something in contrasting bathos with pathos.
    I would be interested in any further insight you have or better words to describe this business of crocodile tears or fake suffering.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Intelligent Dasein

    Your use of “bathos” was just right.

    ID is full of ****.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @vinteuil

    pathos : tragedy :: bathos : comedy

    Or at least one hopes. When one becomes apathetic in an effort to avoid pathos bathos is the inevitable result.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  219. @Anonymous
    Perhaps.

    But the real big story of 21st century audio/visual infotainment is the rise and rise of YouTube - with its largely amateur/volunteer content makers, who for the most part are male, and bring with them the archetypal male attributes which more or less transformed the species from root grubbers living in holes in the ground to sedentary, centrally heated lotus eaters luxuriating on couches - that is single minded dedication, focus, self sacrifice, ability and a desire to change things for the better.

    Thus, never minding the bollocks pumped out by terrestrial TV, you can view the most exquisite masterpieces on making mechanical clocks from sheets of brass, expositions on vertebrate evolution, punchy and original political analysis, railroad history and lore etc etc. Being excluded from TV for the sakes of the great goddess of soap opera, 'celebrity' bullshit and makeover shows, men have done what men have always done, and made their own private little world.

    Replies: @The Plutonium Kid

    Being excluded from TV for the sakes of the great goddess of soap opera …

    Actually, it looks to me like soap operas are dying. There’s only four of them left, and at least one of those is hanging by a thread. They have too much competition from talk shows like Oprah and The View.

    Considering how exploited women are supposed to be, it seems strange that, even today, so much daytime TV targets women.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @The Plutonium Kid

    I don't know about audience figures, but here in the UK, I rarely hear young women at work talk about soap operas. If they watch TV it's for shows like 'Love Island', a kind of scripted reality TV dating show. This distills a lot of what women like about soap operas, but in a more exotic location, and with 'real' people and the chance to vote (I think).

    It also bears more than a passing resemblance to a dystopian BBC drama from the '60's called 'the year of the sex olympics' which is worth watching as a prediction of the future. It's on youtube.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  220. Incidentally, I posted a lengthy excerpt of my charming fictional story about Satan’s dealings with his nebbish Jewish lawyer and a gay neo-Nazi skinhead, but it got squelched by Komment Kontrol.

    My dream has always been to write the great American trash epic. I want to pen the book that will be thrown in disgust against the wall of every living room in the land. But I’ll settle for any little scraps of attention that I can get. (Those dopamine hits keep me going, don’cha know.)

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Stan Adams

    Look again. Komment Kontrol relented, if that's what it was. Sometimes SS just doesn't approve things in order.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stan Adams

  221. @Feryl
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Most "health nuts" and fitness buffs are neurotic obsessives who stress themselves into, ironically, being unhealthy. Also, over training (via cardio or weightlifting) is bad for you. I sometimes wonder if these people have some kind of autism that's funneled into body image.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @David Davenport

    Most “health nuts” and fitness buffs are neurotic obsessives who stress themselves into, ironically, being unhealthy. Also, over training (via cardio or weightlifting) is bad for you.

    You’re somewhat overweight, aren’t you?

  222. Inexplicable, inscrutable, unbelievable!

    Folks the Antifascistischer Schutzwall was built over sixty years ago this month. This is what Communists do.

    Ever plan on noticing?

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, Biden abandoned them whatever. WTF were they doing there?

    These are checks written on my faith and credit, and yours, and my posterity is on the hook to make them good. Are any of the people responsible for doing this doing anything other than making asses of themselves right now?

  223. @MEH 0910
    OT:
    https://twitter.com/CTVNewsAdam/status/1430720837854715904

    NANAIMO, B.C. -- Khim Kaing was planning to cook a Cambodian delicacy for dinner — a duck egg. But instead of his culinary plan hatching, his wife discovered a duckling had.

    “He was out of the egg,” says his wife, Leanne Marlow, before showing me a video of the baby bird’s head poking out of the shell. “So it was like, no eating him!”

    The couple decided to keep the duck and named him Tiny.
     

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato, @Gary in Gramercy

    If he starts squawking about Leonard Pitts or other Men of Color, then eat him.

    • LOL: fish
  224. @vinteuil
    @rebel yell

    Your use of "bathos" was just right.

    ID is full of ****.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    pathos : tragedy :: bathos : comedy

    Or at least one hopes. When one becomes apathetic in an effort to avoid pathos bathos is the inevitable result.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Desiderius


    pathos : tragedy :: bathos : comedy...

    When one becomes apathetic in an effort to avoid pathos bathos is the inevitable result.

     

    Or, as Marx put it in the only thing he was right about, "first time, pathos; second time, bathos".
  225. @Steve Sailer
    @Mike Tre

    Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.

    Huh?

    Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the Girls Scouts of America, was the daughter of a Confederate cavalry captain. Her father's father was a US Senator and married the niece of a Supreme Court justice. Her mother's father had arrived in what would become Chicago in 1804 and became the first sheriff of Cook County in the 1830s. Her mother's mother was a historian of the frontier Midwest and helped found the first Episcopal church of Chicago.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Reg Cæsar

    Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the Girls Scouts of America, was the daughter of a Confederate cavalry captain.

    I’d read somewhere that only 1/3 of Gordons in the US are Jewish often with some connection to Grodno. (Max Bialystock in The Producers might be a shot at someone named Gordon. Grodno and Białystok are not that far apart.) The rest are presumably Scottish or Scots-Irish.

    Juliet’s ancestor Ambrose Gordon was born in New Jersey in 1751. The family went to Georgia. Very S-I, it appears.

    On the other hand, Gaelic-Slavic ties, such as the Machlejd/MacLeod family of Poland, are not unknown.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Reg Cæsar

    True dat. If my memory's okay, Scottish regiments served in the Thirty Years War to free some Pomeranian and Prussian coastal towns, mostly German, from whomever was the latest conqueror du jour during that time. After 1648, some Scots stayed on as important traders, and Germanized their names. I don't have a handy example.

    The Poland of a few centuries ago was much more extensive and diverse than today's propped-up version, so trade with the seafaring and enterprising Scots was something of a natural.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    , @gandydancer
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/5028251/jewish/Why-Is-Gordon-a-Jewish-Last-Name.htm

    But it takes an idiot like Tre to assert than any random Gordon is a (((Gordon))).

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Reg Cæsar

  226. @Agathoklis
    @Anonymous

    Prime candidate for the most uneducated post in 2021.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Also, the women’s suffrage movement was mostly Jewish (read: non-wasp).

    …it was Jews and their Irish and Italian kin who voted it in.

    Prime candidate for the most uneducated post in 2021.

    Which is why it’s anonymous. And perhaps fake.

    Suffragism was big in the West. The first women to vote were Utah’s, not Wyoming’s. (True. Look it up.) This person is confusing his Zions. True, there were many immigrants there, but mostly from Scandinavia, Holland, and England. E.g., the Romneys.

    That many suffragist leaders had Hebrew names (Susan, Elizabeth, Jane, Josephine, Abigail) was a Biblical thing. Doesn’t make ’em Jewish.

    Catholic presence slowed down both suffrage and prohibition in New England and the Middle Atlantic. “Anonymous” failed to mention a single Irish or Italian suffragist.

    In the 1912 Wisconsin vote, there was a huge split between the Protestant Scandinavians and the very mixed Germans. The latter race voted heavily “No”, regardless of faith or political orientation.

    They wanted to keep their beer!

  227. @Desiderius
    @vinteuil

    pathos : tragedy :: bathos : comedy

    Or at least one hopes. When one becomes apathetic in an effort to avoid pathos bathos is the inevitable result.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    pathos : tragedy :: bathos : comedy…

    When one becomes apathetic in an effort to avoid pathos bathos is the inevitable result.

    Or, as Marx put it in the only thing he was right about, “first time, pathos; second time, bathos”.

  228. Back to advertising…

    Back in the 50s, someone complained about so much golf on TV. Ratings were trivial for all the airtime.

    An advertising exec explained that that if only one man was watching, it would be worth it. That man was the president of the United States, the golf-obsessed Eisenhower.

    Now who watches most TV? Are we seeing more ice cream ads?

  229. @The Plutonium Kid
    @Anonymous


    Being excluded from TV for the sakes of the great goddess of soap opera ...
     
    Actually, it looks to me like soap operas are dying. There's only four of them left, and at least one of those is hanging by a thread. They have too much competition from talk shows like Oprah and The View.

    Considering how exploited women are supposed to be, it seems strange that, even today, so much daytime TV targets women.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms

    I don’t know about audience figures, but here in the UK, I rarely hear young women at work talk about soap operas. If they watch TV it’s for shows like ‘Love Island’, a kind of scripted reality TV dating show. This distills a lot of what women like about soap operas, but in a more exotic location, and with ‘real’ people and the chance to vote (I think).

    It also bears more than a passing resemblance to a dystopian BBC drama from the ’60’s called ‘the year of the sex olympics’ which is worth watching as a prediction of the future. It’s on youtube.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @al gore rhythms

    TV dramas have gotten more soap opera-ish over the years. Even "House MD," which had a great gimmick (Sherlock Holmes as the world's best diagnostician), tended to get into who is sleeping with whom over the years. So, Quality Television is more appealing than old-fashioned cheap soap operas now that they deliver much the same content.

    It may have something to do with the growth of plot arcs rather than shows that reset with each new episode (e.g., The Simpsons never change no matter how many wacky adventures Homer has, which he only vaguely recalls).

    Replies: @S Johnson, @JohnnyWalker123

  230. @Alden
    @Steve Sailer

    Joe DiMaggio not only the mostest bestest baseball player of his time but macho enough to marry movie star goddess Marilyn Monroe and wasn’t small but 6 ft? 2 of his brothers were local base ball stars too.

    Speaking of sports teams. An organization that monitors racism and offensive ness in college logos has declared the Norte Dame Leprechaun one of the 4 most offensive in America. And the football team slogan the Fighting Irish the most racist slogan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of sports teams. An organization that monitors racism and offensive ness in college logos has declared the Norte Dame Leprechaun one of the 4 most offensive in America. And the football team slogan the Fighting Irish the most racist slogan.

    To clarify, it was a survey taken by a T-shirt company. My guess is that most of the replies condemning the leprechaun came from the state of Michigan.

    At any rate, as the name suggests Notre Dame was founded by Frenchmen, not Irishmen. It’s cultural appropriation. ND should be the Teddies, after their first president, Edward Sorin. He told students not to celebrate his birthday, but his patron saint’s day. (They did, too, for many years– Oct. 13.)

    Several of the entries were deemed offensive because they were too good. The Virginia Cavaliers were #10. Can’t have people celebrating that. Two separate “Pistol Pete” mascots are on that list.

    The Devils Lake Satans offended in a different manner than did the Pekin Chinks or the Coachella Valley Arabs did.

    Crowdsourcing offense is not so good an idea after all. The company retreated.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2021/08/25/asu-sparky-sun-devil-creepiest-most-offensive-mascots-lists/5583894001/

  231. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the Girls Scouts of America, was the daughter of a Confederate cavalry captain.

     

    I'd read somewhere that only 1/3 of Gordons in the US are Jewish often with some connection to Grodno. (Max Bialystock in The Producers might be a shot at someone named Gordon. Grodno and Białystok are not that far apart.) The rest are presumably Scottish or Scots-Irish.

    Juliet's ancestor Ambrose Gordon was born in New Jersey in 1751. The family went to Georgia. Very S-I, it appears.

    On the other hand, Gaelic-Slavic ties, such as the Machlejd/MacLeod family of Poland, are not unknown.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWMi96JIR8


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/a2/db/d5a2db16bf636df46ebcd34eb1f7deb4.jpg

    Replies: @JackOH, @gandydancer

    True dat. If my memory’s okay, Scottish regiments served in the Thirty Years War to free some Pomeranian and Prussian coastal towns, mostly German, from whomever was the latest conqueror du jour during that time. After 1648, some Scots stayed on as important traders, and Germanized their names. I don’t have a handy example.

    The Poland of a few centuries ago was much more extensive and diverse than today’s propped-up version, so trade with the seafaring and enterprising Scots was something of a natural.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JackOH

    Donald Tusk, the former prime minister of Poland, is of Scottish descent on his paternal line.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @J.Ross
    @JackOH

    There were several Scots in Russia as military trainers and engineers, and (I think) the Khalsa -- the Sikh adaptation to modern European warfare -- was facilitated largely by Scots. Isn't there a quote that every European monarch in this period had their own formation of Scots mercenaries?

    Replies: @gandydancer

    , @Anonymous
    @JackOH

    One of Frederick the Great's generals, von Keith, was a Scotsman. He was a Jacobite who IIRC first settled in Spain, but being a Protestant, could not advance to high rank in the Spanish army, and so moved to Prussia.

  232. @JackOH
    @Reg Cæsar

    True dat. If my memory's okay, Scottish regiments served in the Thirty Years War to free some Pomeranian and Prussian coastal towns, mostly German, from whomever was the latest conqueror du jour during that time. After 1648, some Scots stayed on as important traders, and Germanized their names. I don't have a handy example.

    The Poland of a few centuries ago was much more extensive and diverse than today's propped-up version, so trade with the seafaring and enterprising Scots was something of a natural.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Donald Tusk, the former prime minister of Poland, is of Scottish descent on his paternal line.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Donald Tusk, the former prime minister of Poland, is of Scottish descent on his paternal line.
     
    Must be way, way back. The Tusks are Kashubian. The story is that Grandma Tusk toured Scotland in her youth and was enamored. She named her son Donald. The PM is Donald Jr.

    https://www.myheritage.com/names/donald_tusk
  233. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @martin_2
    @Anonymous

    Here's a list of unmissable TV programmes from the 1970's and late 1960's in the UK.

    The World at War
    Civilisation
    The Ascent of Man

    The Benny Hill Show
    Monty Python's Flying Circus
    Steptoe and Son
    Till Death Us Do Part
    Fawlty Towers
    Dad's Army

    The Wednesday Play
    Play for Today
    I Claudius
    The Naked Civil Servant
    Pennies From Heaven and other Plays by Dennis Potter

    What would be included in a list for the twenty first century? Love Island?

    Yet in those days white men dominated the industry, and there was no "diversity".

    A similar and even stronger argument can be made with respect to Pop Music.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa

    UK terrestrial TV is more or less unwatchable these days – and that includes the ‘Reithian’ BBC1 as well as the plebby ITV.
    Even Channel 4 has turned to populist mush.

    Remember, years ago, when we used to hear the familiar refrain “Britain has the best TV in the world”.

    Odd that we never hear that phrase anymore.

  234. You wonder when we all became female.

    … shifting the default position of our behavior to “feminine” as imperceptibly as our evolution toward light eating …

    If only!

  235. @rebel yell
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I always thought bathos meant false or inauthentic suffering, as compared to pathos, true suffering. Bathos would be crocodile tears and soap opera. Looking up the word in the dictionary, I see the definitions include "insincere pathos, obvious sentimentality, mawkishness", which is close to what I have in mind.
    I see from other definitions listed for bathos that the word is incorrect for what I have in mind.
    This subject interests me, since I think the Greeks were on to something in contrasting bathos with pathos.
    I would be interested in any further insight you have or better words to describe this business of crocodile tears or fake suffering.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Intelligent Dasein

    I would be interested in any further insight you have or better words to describe this business of crocodile tears or fake suffering.

    Sure, I would be happy to help. The subject is a rather important one, as I will attempt to show later. It seems you have a few different thoughts and concepts mixed together in your mind, so lets start with some explanations and definitions.

    This subject interests me, since I think the Greeks were on to something in contrasting bathos with pathos.

    The Greeks never contrasted bathos with pathos; the word “bathos” was not used in a literary sense until it appeared in an essay by Alexander Pope in 1727. I believe you may be thinking instead of the three modes of persuasion, viz. ethos, pathos, and logos. The point is worthy of some attention.

    Ethos: Refers to ethics, character, action, i.e. the habits conducive to virtue. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion, ethos means an appeal to authority, to the high standing, dignity, and experience of the person making the claim. In the dramatic/tragic sense, ethos refers to the character of the hero as he meets his fate, hopefully without falling into fear and vice. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, i.e. ethics as right action in conformity with the laws of the universe.

    Pathos: Means “that which happens to one.” It is not limited to what we call “suffering,” although it does include it. In the Greek drama, some twist of fate or circumstance besets the hero like a calamity, and this sets the stage for his response, which is supposed to induce a state of catharsis in the audience. What ever happens to you, for good or ill, is your pathos, your “passion” (from whence we derive the Passion of the Christ, passion plays, etc.). The opposite of pathos is not “bathos” but act, i.e. one’s own proper power of existence expressed as ethos. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion, pathos means an emotional appeal to the listener. In the dramatic/tragic sense, it refers to the twists of fate that befall the hero undeservedly. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, i.e. pathos as the recognition that man is neither perfect nor omnipotent nor immortal and therefore must carry out his existence amidst ambiguous situations that seem to contradict and nullify him.

    Logos: Refers to the cognizable structure and order of reality, which is one and the same thing both in the world and in the mind. The logos is the Divine Word which makes, out of the chaotic archae, a universe of form and meaning. The Greeks knew it as a power above the gods of Olympus, and it was identified as early as the St. John Gospel with Jesus Christ, the second person of the trinity who is himself the word of God. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion it refers to arguments using facts and reason concerning things that can be demonstrated. In the dramatic/tragic sense it means the order by which the drama unfolds toward catharsis. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, viz. the transcendent rational ground of reality.

    Let’s pause here a moment to visit the subject of “crocodile tears.”

    I always thought bathos meant false or inauthentic suffering, as compared to pathos, true suffering. Bathos would be crocodile tears and soap opera.

    This isn’t quite correct. “Crocodile tears” does not mean merely false or inauthentic suffering. There are many ways of being false and inauthentic, most of which are not comprised in its definition. “Crocodile tears” refers specifically to a ruse, to a malicious deception and act of hypocrisy by which someone affects to feel sympathy with the sufferings of another but really wants only to exploit them. An example would be Bill Clinton’s famous line, “I feel your pain.” Phariseeism, tubthumping, and virtue signaling are more cognate with “crocodile tears” than is melodrama or what you’ve called “soap opera.”

    Melodrama means only a simple drama, i.e. one in which none of the characters undergo any change of state. Saturday morning cartoons are the perfect example of melodrama: Batman is always the good guy, Joker is always the bad guy, and we don’t see any of their internal contradictions or ambiguities. This, again, is something different from sentimentality or mawkishness, although the two are often found together. Sentimentality, i.e. an overweening or excessive appeal to emotion, need not be “inauthentic or false,” except in the sense that anything out of proportion must have something unreal at the bottom of it. Sentimentality is not so much insincerity as it is immaturity, childishness, womanishness, foolishness, and silliness. It only becomes insincere when it is affected by somebody who knows better (enter here the critiques of Friedrich Nietzsche).

    But none of this has anything to do with bathos, to which we now turn.

    Bathos: Means the breaking of dramatic tension by an abrupt descent into absurdity. It is the “descent” which is emphasized here and it is from this quality that the word draws its meaning (bathos is the Greek word for “deep,” as in the depths of the sea, the abyss). It is, in essence, an ironic revelation that makes a farce out of everything that preceded it.

    If I wanted to present to a beginner the perfect example of bathos in cinema, I could do no better than to point to the ending of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. This is the bathetic belly flop par excellence: The final battle for the grail—which, in the original Arthur legends would have been a matter of world-transcending significance—ends, not with victory or defeat, but with the combatants being broken up by police and hauled off in paddy wagons. By concluding thus, the implication is that the grand tragedy we thought we were seeing up until the very last moment, was really just a farce all along and that all the characters were insane. They were not knights in 12th century England but lunatics in the modern world.

    My interest in this subject derives from this very important observation: Is this not the very world we are living in today? Is not the bathetic belly flop the actual fate of the tragic sufferer in the modern world? Would not anyone of high chivalric feeling, or deep religious feeling, or a lofty sense of destiny, be likely to meet his end, not in a consuming battle with gods and monsters, but a farcical run-in with dull police officers and dimwitted psychiatrists?

    Since the modern world has no understanding of greatness and no place for it, it forces the bathetic end upon all true heroes. This is the situation that needs to be combatted. The modern hero faces what is perhaps the blackest and most hopeless battle of all: He must fight, not for his own greatness, but for the very existence of greatness itself. He has the grim task of fighting the Nothing, with nothing. The Nothing we fight against is the absence of any grand task or high standard or tragic fate in the world around us. All gods are dead and the world has become brittle and unreal. There is no traction, no impetus to even get going on an important mission. The nothing we fight with is the radical nullification of any sense of meaning or direction that such a world imposes upon the soul of the hero. Only the most pure and unsullied conscience can give birth once again to the gods and allow tragedy, once more, to exist.

    Our Hero’s Journey takes place in the most absolute terms. We fight against the radical ending of all things.

    • Thanks: James N. Kennett, JMcG, Ian M.
    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Wow.

    ID, since, obviously, you have a way with words, a talent for fantasy, and way too much time on your hands, I wish to hire you for a long-cherished project of mine: the writing of a historical novel/screenplay about the brothers Gracchi.

    I'm quite serious.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Since the modern world has no understanding of greatness and no place for it, it forces the bathetic end upon all true heroes. This is the situation that needs to be combatted. The modern hero faces what is perhaps the blackest and most hopeless battle of all: He must fight, not for his own greatness, but for the very existence of greatness itself. He has the grim task of fighting the Nothing, with nothing. The Nothing we fight against is the absence of any grand task or high standard or tragic fate in the world around us. All gods are dead and the world has become brittle and unreal. There is no traction, no impetus to even get going on an important mission. The nothing we fight with is the radical nullification of any sense of meaning or direction that such a world imposes upon the soul of the hero. Only the most pure and unsullied conscience can give birth once again to the gods and allow tragedy, once more, to exist
     
    This is pretty good.

    What do you mean by "pure and unsullied conscience?" I associate a conscience with owning your issues as you truly see them, as opposed to shamefully hiding from them.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  236. @rebel yell
    We need to introduce "toxic femininity" as a concept in the national dialogue.
    Every female virtue has its corresponding vice that is toxic.
    Women are conformist (the bad side of being cooperative) - this is evident in cancel culture.
    As conformists they undervalue debate, dissent, and rational thinking.
    Women tend toward blame, resentment, and scolding.
    Women prefer poison to guns when committing murder, including the plotting and sneakiness that go with poisoning.
    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news. It can also be quite bad, keeping the emphasis on character assassination instead of discussing issues.
    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos. In politics this means microaggressions and hair issues take on outsized importance.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Intelligent Dasein, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous Jew, @Ian M., @Ian M.

    Perhaps another example of the feminization of our culture is how much more men seem to gossip nowadays. At my shop, full of “union men” as it were, I can sometimes barely get in the door before I’m being brought up to speed about the latest dust up or incident or whatever. It’s also kind of surreal to see middle to late aged biker guys, wrench turners, outdoorsmen, etc, all browsing their facebook pages at 5 in the morning.

    Interesting aside, to gaze upon my fellow teamsters, one would not get the impression that they are an especially healthy group. Many are missing teeth, more than one are missing the tip of a finger, many are heavy drinkers and smokers, many are overweight, hard of hearing, have limps and or bad backs. We are all exposed daily to airborn particles that contain carcinogens, with nothing but the company mandated face diapers (that no one wears) to protect us.

    Some of you might be shocked to hear this, but none of these prime targets for the deadly and relentless corona covid SARS 19 beer flu have died, or even been hospitalized. Only 3 have actually claimed to have had it (they were forced to be off two full weeks – no pay). 18 months of this bullshit.

  237. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    I suppose "run" is not an accounting term, #153, but by that I mean remain solvent. The obligations to pension recipients, from everything I've read about 'em, is based on 6-8% returns, which were quite reasonable in SAFE investments before the FED forced rates into the basement over 10 years back.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    If your small town has promised the local sheriff that they will pay him \$1000 a year for life when he retires at 65, then you assume an annual return and work backwards to find out how much you have to put into his retirement fund now and in future years. Obviously you have to put in much less if you assume the money will grow at 8% per year than if you assume 4% per year. Investors would kill to get 4% a year these days.

    Congress passed the ERISA act in the late 70s which required private defined benefit retirement plans (\$1000 a year for life) to be examined yearly by an actuary for fiscal soundness because the plans were going broke left and right (steel, airlines, etc). But for years municipal and state defined benefit plans were not required to be examined and were allowed to assume whatever return they wanted. Many of them are so badly funded (underwater) that they will never catch up even if returns do rise to 8%.

    See pensiontsunami.com for more gory details or this https://www.city-journal.org/covid-19-lockdowns-exposed-cities-deep-seated-financial-troubles

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jim Don Bob

    Thanks

  238. «Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little.» – Samuel Johnson, 1709–1784

  239. @Pissedoffalese
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Al Franken? I detest the guy on other grounds, but that stupid picture was just a gag, same thing that was always acceptable from comedians until everybody got the vapors. He may have done other things, too. I don't recall.

    What would the wokies say of Benny Hill today? That guy was funny. Franken was not, but he wasn't any different than anyone else within American alleged comedy.

    Replies: @(((They))) Live, @J.Ross, @JohnnyWalker123, @gandydancer

    Al Franken? …that stupid picture was just a gag, same thing that was always acceptable from comedians until everybody got the vapors.

    Acceptable to who? Benny Hill; might have made similar moves in the course of his show, but those girls weren’t comatose or, presumably, surprised. Plus there’s the hypocrisy factor.

  240. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    Nobody bothers to ask guys under 30 about these things. A college guy has feminism and wokeism pushed down onto him by deans, professors, campus orgs, etc. Anyone who works for the Feds in any way gets feminism shoved into his face on a daily basis.

    Including the Federal employees known as “Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines”.

    This UK feminist frets about Taliban memes. She just can’t understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It’s a total mystery to her. No clue.

    Hey, is this the first time any M\$M source has acknowledged the term “globalhomo”?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9936693/MARY-HARRINGTON-Western-men-alienated-woke-culture-admire-Taliban.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon

    Nice line in your link:


    Just as they tried in Afghanistan, our Moral Betters have sought to impose liberal democracy and woke feminism from the top down here. And like in Afghanistan, they’ve failed to win hearts and minds. Instead, they’ve created a paper-thin fake consensus over a boiling pit of angry resentment.
     
    Also at the Mail, a shocking story of animal abuse:


    Holy cow! Calf is spotted sitting in back seat of car at McDonald's drive-thru after farmer stopped in for something to eat on way home from fair


    You'd think a proper Cheesehead would have the decency to take the calf to Culver's, not Mickey D's, the Chicagoland carpetbagger. At least it's in a Buick, not a Caddy, so there's a limit to the degradation.

    I'm about halfway through Abigail Shrier's book, so I know this statement is nonsense: "They claimed this was first identified case of 'mass social media-induced illness.'" Still, it may lead to the correction of the mass misunderstanding of "Tourette's".

    YouTube star Jan Zimmerman, 22, is 'linked to rise in Tourette symptoms' among fans mimicking his tics and outbursts, study shows

    It cites the "University of Canada", which apparently exists only in Egypt.

    https://www.uofcanada.edu.eg/

    Replies: @gandydancer

    , @gandydancer
    @anon


    This UK feminist frets about Taliban memes. She just can’t understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It’s a total mystery to her. No clue.
     
    Reading comprehension: UTTER FAIL

    Harrington:


    Just as they tried in Afghanistan, our Moral Betters have sought to impose liberal democracy and woke feminism from the top down here. And like in Afghanistan, they’ve failed to win hearts and minds. Instead, they’ve created a paper-thin fake consensus over a boiling pit of angry resentment.
     
    I know it's the Guardian, and that may have confused you, but the bit about her writing for unHerd might have given you a clue that you needed to actually read what she was writing before bloviating about it. I have some reservations about her focus, but not compared with you.

    Replies: @anon

  241. @JackOH
    @Reg Cæsar

    True dat. If my memory's okay, Scottish regiments served in the Thirty Years War to free some Pomeranian and Prussian coastal towns, mostly German, from whomever was the latest conqueror du jour during that time. After 1648, some Scots stayed on as important traders, and Germanized their names. I don't have a handy example.

    The Poland of a few centuries ago was much more extensive and diverse than today's propped-up version, so trade with the seafaring and enterprising Scots was something of a natural.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    There were several Scots in Russia as military trainers and engineers, and (I think) the Khalsa — the Sikh adaptation to modern European warfare — was facilitated largely by Scots. Isn’t there a quote that every European monarch in this period had their own formation of Scots mercenaries?

    • Thanks: JackOH
    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @J.Ross


    ...(I think) the Khalsa — the Sikh adaptation to modern European warfare — was facilitated largely by Scots.
     
    It's not dispositive, but, FWIW, searching for "Scot" turns up no results here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_Khalsa_Army or here https://books.google.com/books?id=YrG_aJTgnw0C.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  242. @anon
    Sports journalist Ethan Strauss recently quit his day job and started up on substack. He's a good liberal from the Bay, but seems to be predisposed to certain strands of Thought Crime. He recently had a take on the Nike stuff: link

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @Waylon Sisko, @Corvinus

    Very interesting article about Nike, thanks! –it captures what I think is a very common phenomenon, reaching out to a potential audience but alienating the base in the process. It’s why ESPN has made the game damn near unwatchable for those who actually care about the game, why networks like AMC have morphed into versions of TBS, and a big reason why the GOP has been such a big disappointment for those who actually support its stated platform.

    Those that really do “dance with what brung ’em” stand out as the exceptions, such as Turner Classic Movies. One reason I adore the movie Master & Commander is because Weir knew his audience, made a movie for them, and made ZERO efforts trying to pander to other audiences.

  243. @Steve Sailer
    @JackOH

    Donald Tusk, the former prime minister of Poland, is of Scottish descent on his paternal line.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Donald Tusk, the former prime minister of Poland, is of Scottish descent on his paternal line.

    Must be way, way back. The Tusks are Kashubian. The story is that Grandma Tusk toured Scotland in her youth and was enamored. She named her son Donald. The PM is Donald Jr.

    https://www.myheritage.com/names/donald_tusk

  244. @El Dato
    OT: COVID news

    Delta bites the unvaccinated twice as hard as Alpha which means trouble going forward. Also, monoclonal antibody treatments in the US (if you want to avail yourself to that, go the the local pop-up MCA station immediately when you think you got the virus as it's only good when the infection gets going)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_91RQCySddg

    Replies: @gandydancer

    Delta bites the unvaccinated twice as hard as Alpha…

    2.26 times as hard, according to the doc. That is, if you are unvaccinated and have symptoms and the test shows Delta you are 2.26 times as likely to be hospitalized as if the test shows Alpha. But that assumes that your chances of being asymptomatic as between Alpha and Delta are identical, no? Is that true?

  245. @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If your small town has promised the local sheriff that they will pay him $1000 a year for life when he retires at 65, then you assume an annual return and work backwards to find out how much you have to put into his retirement fund now and in future years. Obviously you have to put in much less if you assume the money will grow at 8% per year than if you assume 4% per year. Investors would kill to get 4% a year these days.

    Congress passed the ERISA act in the late 70s which required private defined benefit retirement plans ($1000 a year for life) to be examined yearly by an actuary for fiscal soundness because the plans were going broke left and right (steel, airlines, etc). But for years municipal and state defined benefit plans were not required to be examined and were allowed to assume whatever return they wanted. Many of them are so badly funded (underwater) that they will never catch up even if returns do rise to 8%.

    See pensiontsunami.com for more gory details or this https://www.city-journal.org/covid-19-lockdowns-exposed-cities-deep-seated-financial-troubles

    Replies: @anon

    Thanks

  246. @Mark in BC
    We have actually reached a point where a prototypical 14 Year Old Girl (with a dusky hue) is now societies Standard of Identity.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Corvinus

    “We have actually reached a point where a prototypical 14 Year Old Girl (with a dusky hue) is now societies Standard of Identity.“

    More like certain groups are now decidedly present on multi media. Blame Generation Z for that trend.

  247. @anon
    Sports journalist Ethan Strauss recently quit his day job and started up on substack. He's a good liberal from the Bay, but seems to be predisposed to certain strands of Thought Crime. He recently had a take on the Nike stuff: link

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @Waylon Sisko, @Corvinus

    More likely is today’s male jocks remain masculine and rugged, but not on the way that the older generation prefers. It’s a different expression. Blame Generation Z.

  248. @anon
    Nobody bothers to ask guys under 30 about these things. A college guy has feminism and wokeism pushed down onto him by deans, professors, campus orgs, etc. Anyone who works for the Feds in any way gets feminism shoved into his face on a daily basis.

    Including the Federal employees known as "Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines".

    This UK feminist frets about Taliban memes. She just can't understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It's a total mystery to her. No clue.

    Hey, is this the first time any M$M source has acknowledged the term "globalhomo"?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9936693/MARY-HARRINGTON-Western-men-alienated-woke-culture-admire-Taliban.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gandydancer

    Nice line in your link:

    Just as they tried in Afghanistan, our Moral Betters have sought to impose liberal democracy and woke feminism from the top down here. And like in Afghanistan, they’ve failed to win hearts and minds. Instead, they’ve created a paper-thin fake consensus over a boiling pit of angry resentment.

    Also at the Mail, a shocking story of animal abuse:

    Holy cow! Calf is spotted sitting in back seat of car at McDonald’s drive-thru after farmer stopped in for something to eat on way home from fair

    You’d think a proper Cheesehead would have the decency to take the calf to Culver’s, not Mickey D’s, the Chicagoland carpetbagger. At least it’s in a Buick, not a Caddy, so there’s a limit to the degradation.

    I’m about halfway through Abigail Shrier’s book, so I know this statement is nonsense: “They claimed this was first identified case of ‘mass social media-induced illness.’” Still, it may lead to the correction of the mass misunderstanding of “Tourette’s”.

    YouTube star Jan Zimmerman, 22, is ‘linked to rise in Tourette symptoms’ among fans mimicking his tics and outbursts, study shows

    It cites the “University of Canada”, which apparently exists only in Egypt.

    https://www.uofcanada.edu.eg/

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Reg Cæsar

    There's also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca%C3%B1ada_College

  249. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, she totally doesn't look jewish and definitely looks Scots Irish to me!

    https://www.toledoblade.com/image/2012/01/16/800x_b1_cCM_z_cT/Juliette-Gordon-Low-01-16-2012.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @gandydancer

    I was wondering if there was a reference work for Jews on Brain types like you which would identify the likes of William Washington Gordon II as “Jewish” but, nah, you’re just making stupid shit up. My low opinion of you is confirmed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Washington_Gordon_II
    http://ghs.galileo.usg.edu/ghs/view?docId=ead/MS%200318-ead.xml;query=;brand=default

    • LOL: Mike Tre
  250. @Stan Adams
    Incidentally, I posted a lengthy excerpt of my charming fictional story about Satan's dealings with his nebbish Jewish lawyer and a gay neo-Nazi skinhead, but it got squelched by Komment Kontrol.

    My dream has always been to write the great American trash epic. I want to pen the book that will be thrown in disgust against the wall of every living room in the land. But I'll settle for any little scraps of attention that I can get. (Those dopamine hits keep me going, don'cha know.)

    Replies: @gandydancer

    Look again. Komment Kontrol relented, if that’s what it was. Sometimes SS just doesn’t approve things in order.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @gandydancer

    Sorry, sometimes I don't approve long comments promptly because I figure I can approve 10 short comments in the time it takes to read one long comment and then it's a long time before I get back to the long comment. I realize that's unfair to commenters who put a lot of work into a long comment. And Stan was very good about putting a MORE pagebreak in right near the top. So my apologies to Stan.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams

    , @Stan Adams
    @gandydancer

    Now, here is something that I really did write just right now. It's a sequel to the piece I submitted above, still based on the overall storyline that I created in 2015, but somewhat more polished. I'm six years older and (hopefully) wiser.



    Maury Feldstein opened his eyes ... and found himself lying on an operating table, staring directly into Rolf Lundgren's face. The big Nazi skinhead was standing above the nebbish Jewish lawyer. Rolf was gazing at Maury's face with a fascination bordering on awe.

    "What, you've never seen a balding Jew before?" Maury asked.

    "You don't look like a Jew anymore," Rolf said. "You look like a Swede."

    "There is such a thing as a Swedish Jew, you know," Maury hissed as he sat up. "All of this Nazi racial-classification bulls**t is so f**king stupid. 'Nordid' and 'Baltid' and all the other fake labels that the Stormfront fools use. It's crap science. I mean ... Jesus, I really do look like a Swede."

    Dr. Kevorkian had positioned a large mirror next to the bed. Now that Maury was looking at it, he had to blink several times to ensure that his eyes were not playing tricks on him. Evidently they were not.

    A few hours earlier, when Maury walked into the operating room, he could have been taken for Woody Allen's dorkier brother. Now he was a square-jawed Viking out of Central Casting. His brown eyes were now blue; his receding brownish-gray hairline was now a straight blonde crew cut; his bird-beak chin was now an imposing cliff.

    But perhaps the most striking change was in the overall youth and vibrancy of his face. Maury had gone into the operation a late fifty-something guy who looked a good ten years older than his actual age; he had come out looking fifteen, even twenty years younger.

    Maury also noticed in the mirror that, in addition to Rolf, Dr. Jack Kevorkian was standing nearby, beaming like a proud parent.

    "Can I cook, or can't I?" the good doctor asked.

    "You can, indeed," Maury replied. "Even the most fanatical skinhead won't question my Aryan heritage now. Too bad you weren't working in Germany in the 1930s. You might have saved the lives of my grandparents."

    "Say what you will about the Nazis, but they did have very progressive views on euthanasia," Jack said. "Are your grandparents also here in Hell?"

    "No, they ended up in Heaven."

    "Ah. Pity."

    "Sven is in Heaven, too," Rolf mumbled.

    "Who's Sven?" Maury asked.

    "This guy," Dr. Kevorkian said, smiling broadly at his impressive work. "Take a look. You might find him quite familiar."

    Jack handed Maury a worn, torn photograph. For a second, Maury thought that it was a picture of him - the face was identical to the one he could see in the mirror. Then he realized that the person in the photograph was standing outside, on a beach somewhere.

    "That's Sven," Rolf said gently.

    "You know him?" Maury asked.

    "I ... knew him. He ... died."

    "Did you know him ... well?"

    Rolf, rarely a brilliant conversationalist, merely turned away. After an awkward interval, Dr. Kevorkian filled the void.

    "I would assume that Rolf knew Sven in the Biblical sense ... and in every other sense, as well."

    Maury snorted ... and shuddered.

    "Wonderful," he muttered. "So Rolf had you make me into a carbon copy of his old boyfriend. I suppose he'll be whispering sweet Sven-nothings into my ear as he bends me over. Aren't we carrying this prison-bitch thing just a little too far?"

    Rolf whirled around and shot Maury a murderous glare.

    "F**k you," he spat.

    "No, thank you," Maury replied.

    Rolf lurched toward Maury, his face full of rage. The doctor moved swiftly to block him.

    "Now, now, let's not have any of that," the good doctor said. "Maury didn't mean to hurt your feelings, Rolf. I'm sure your friend was a fine, upstanding fellow, and you're just trying to honor his memory by letting Maury borrow his face. Isn't that right?"

    "Sven was the noblest man I've ever known," Rolf said. "And, unlike Maury, he wasn't a f**king midget. He was a tall, strong Nordic warrior."

    "I am *not* a midget," Maury hissed. "I am five-foot-three. Five-foot-three is in the low-average range."

    "*Very* low," Rolf interjected.

    "Gentlemen..." the doctor attempted to interrupt.

    "A *midget* is a well-proportioned dwarf," Maury continued, his voice rising into the tenor range. "The cutoff for dwarfism is four-foot-ten. I categorically deny that I can in any way, shape, or form be defined as a *midget*. Isn't that right, Doctor?"

    Somewhat flustered, Kevorkian stammered, "Well ... yes, yes, yes, of course, you're right. You're not a midget, technically. But Rolf didn't mean anything by that remark, I'm sure."

    "I meant what I said."

    "Now, now, Rolf, let's just let this slide, shall we? I mean, I'm no giant myself. We're all God's - Satan's - we're all Satan's creatures, aren't we? Some of us are short; some of us are tall. Rolf just happens to be on the right side of the height-distribution curve. Maury is on the ... left side."

    Rolf shrugged.

    "I'm 6'5"," he said. "My older brothers are 6'7" and 6'8". My father is 6'6"."

    "Ah, so you're the runt, aren't you?" Jack said with a smile. "So surely you can understand why Maury might be sensitive."

    "I am *not* oversensitive," Maury said.

    "I didn't say *oversensitive*. I said *sensitive*. We're all sensitive to varying degrees."

    "Look, Maury, I'm sorry, okay?" Rolf said. "To tell you the truth ... Sven was a really handsome guy, and I wanted you to look good for this assignment. Would you rather go back to earth looking like a bum?"

    "No, I suppose not," Maury said. "If I have to look like someone else, I might as well look like someone who's good-looking."

    "That's the spirit," the good doctor said. "Well, I'd love to stay, but I have to go. I have a lunch appointment with Aaron Kosminski. He's quite a skilled surgeon himself, you know. He certainly did a thorough job on those whores in London. Good luck with your assignment!"

    The doctor left. Maury stood up and stretched.

    "Who is Aaron Kosminski?" Rolf asked.

    "Jack the Ripper," Maury replied.

    The two men walked out into the waiting room. The receptionist - a hideous gargoyle - handed them their discharge papers and curtly bade them farewell. They emerged into the lobby of the medical building, and walked downstairs to the underground passageway. They strode swiftly toward the Reincarnation Center at the north end of the civic complex.

    All of the most important buildings in Hell were linked by subterranean tunnels, much like those at Disney World. Only those privileged enough to work in one of Satan's official ministries were afforded the privilege of walking and working in air-conditioned comfort. Most of the condemned souls on this, the highest level of Hell, were consigned to spend their eternal damnation in the constant 120-degree heat of the barren wasteland. (The only seasonal variation was the humidity level - in summer, like a steam room; in winter, like a sauna.)

    New arrivals slept in the dust and dirt. After a year or so, most people were assigned a cot in an open tent; after five years, a bunk in a military-style barracks. After several years in Hell, those who had achieved a reasonable degree of success were allowed to live in dormitories about the size of cruise-ship cabins with one or two roommates.

    Only souls at the 80th percentile of Satan's favor dwelled in private one-room apartments with their own bath and toilet facilities. Those at the 90th percentile were assigned two-room suites equipped with ceiling fans. Those at about the 95th percentile enjoyed the use of full-fledged air-conditioners and refrigerators. Only those at the 98th percentile or above could boast of freezers in their kitchens.

    This was why Maury, despite his deep-seated misgivings, had accepted the assignment. After his arrival in Hell, it had taken him over a decade to get an apartment, and another decade to graduate to a suite with a window in the living room and a ceiling fan in the bedroom. Under normal circumstances, he could expect to wait another twenty years to get to the air-conditioner/refrigerator level, and another thirty after that for a freezer. Satan's offer of an immediate upgrade past the air-conditioner level to the *freezer* echelon was unprecedented.

    "You know, I asked the doctor to make you taller, but he said it would be too much work," Rolf said as they approached the RC.

    "Yes, it's a nasty procedure," Maury said. "They saw your legs in half and jam metal rods into the bones. It would take six months to recover and I would only gain about five inches at most."

    "Sven was 6'3"," Rolf said. "I wonder if it would be possible for someone to grow a full foot."

    "Drop it," Maury said sharply.

    "I'm just wondering out loud..."

    "I said, *Drop it*."

    "Geez, you Jews really are touchy," Rolf muttered.

    "And you goys really are stupid. I'm not Sven. Just because I have his face doesn't mean that I'm your wet-dream come to life."

    They were just outside the entrance to the Reincarnation Center. Rolf stopped suddenly in the middle of the corridor and grabbed Maury with his big bear paws. He clinched Maury's shoulders so tightly that the diminutive lawyer thought the bones might snap.

    "Let go of me!" Maury cried.

    "Maury..."

    Rolf's chest heaved. For a second, Maury thought that he was about to break into tears. Finally he began speaking, in as soft a voice as he'd ever used.

    "...you look at me, and you see some big dumb Nazi with s**t for brains and a gaping hole where his soul should be. But I have *feelings*, Maury. You can *hurt* me. You can hurt me *badly*. And I can return the favor. Do you understand?"

    Maury smirked.

    "Of course I know that, Rolf. But knowing and caring are two different things. I don't like you, and I probably never will. I don't mind hurting you. I want to hurt you. I want to go on hurting you for as long as I know you. My goal is to destroy you. I think it would be quite fun to break you down."

    Rolf closed his eyes. His lips quivered. He was definitely on the verge of bawling like a baby. But he regained his composure quickly.

    "Maury, you ... you are a cruel little man. You look so much like Sven that I'm tempted to delude myself into believing that you have some of his kindness and gentleness inside of you. But you don't. So I'm going to stop hoping that you open up to me. Remind me never to be honest with you again."

    Maury grinned, this time with genuine joy. His tiny little left hand patted Rolf's big right bear paw with an almost paternal affection.

    "There may be some hope for you yet, you big dumb Nazi. At least you're starting to get a clue."

    "You feed on my pain, don't you?" Rolf asked.

    "Pain is the mother's milk of the underworld," Maury said. "People say that Satan is a tyrant, but in the end all of his commandments boil down to one basic rule. 'Thou shalt suffer, and thou shalt make others suffer.' That philosophy underlies everything."

    Now it was Rolf's turn to smile.

    "Then let me tell you this: I like you, Maury, and not just in the gay sense. I like you because you don't take any shit from anyone, not even from Satan, not even from me. I admire that quality in a man, even if he is just a runt. And you know that I like you. I think part of you is happy that I like you. I think part of you might even want to like me back. And by treating me like shit, you are denying yourself the pleasure of having a companion who truly cares about you, who truly wants to be there for you. So I can make you suffer by reminding you that you are closing yourself off from someone who might be a truly awesome friend. Even if he is just a big dumb Nazi who ordinarily wouldn't have any use for a smarmy little Jew like you."

    Maury's grin softened a bit. A bit of gauze came into his expression. He looked up thoughtfully at the big dumb Nazi staring down at him. Then he sighed wistfully, and nodded knowingly.

    "Welcome to Hell, kid," he said, and walked through the automatic doors into the RC.

    Within seconds, Rolf had followed him inside. Silently, the Jew and the Nazi marched together toward their unknown destiny.

  251. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the Girls Scouts of America, was the daughter of a Confederate cavalry captain.

     

    I'd read somewhere that only 1/3 of Gordons in the US are Jewish often with some connection to Grodno. (Max Bialystock in The Producers might be a shot at someone named Gordon. Grodno and Białystok are not that far apart.) The rest are presumably Scottish or Scots-Irish.

    Juliet's ancestor Ambrose Gordon was born in New Jersey in 1751. The family went to Georgia. Very S-I, it appears.

    On the other hand, Gaelic-Slavic ties, such as the Machlejd/MacLeod family of Poland, are not unknown.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWMi96JIR8


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/a2/db/d5a2db16bf636df46ebcd34eb1f7deb4.jpg

    Replies: @JackOH, @gandydancer

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/5028251/jewish/Why-Is-Gordon-a-Jewish-Last-Name.htm

    But it takes an idiot like Tre to assert than any random Gordon is a (((Gordon))).

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @gandydancer

    Now who's making shit up? My assertion that Low was jewish is more based on the fact that she looks like she looks like a garden variety ugly Ashkenazi woman, and there are precisely zero Scots Irish features in this face:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-78agbl8vYao/T15d3k9fTdI/AAAAAAAABBg/gDOkXsYTB_o/s1600/juliette-gordon-low1.jpg


    Without knowing who it is, you're telling me your first or even 5th guess would have been Scots Irish? NFW.

    Maybe I am wrong, but mentioning that her father was a Confederate officer as proof is pretty silly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Confederates

    Replies: @Anonymous, @gandydancer

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @gandydancer


    But it takes an idiot like Tre to assert than any random Gordon is a (((Gordon))).

     

    Perhaps he descends from the Vilna Gaon? Vilnius isn't that far from Grodno either.

    https://www.jewishhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/Vilna-Gaon-207x300.jpg

    Replies: @gandydancer

  252. @anon
    Nobody bothers to ask guys under 30 about these things. A college guy has feminism and wokeism pushed down onto him by deans, professors, campus orgs, etc. Anyone who works for the Feds in any way gets feminism shoved into his face on a daily basis.

    Including the Federal employees known as "Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines".

    This UK feminist frets about Taliban memes. She just can't understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It's a total mystery to her. No clue.

    Hey, is this the first time any M$M source has acknowledged the term "globalhomo"?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9936693/MARY-HARRINGTON-Western-men-alienated-woke-culture-admire-Taliban.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gandydancer

    This UK feminist frets about Taliban memes. She just can’t understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It’s a total mystery to her. No clue.

    Reading comprehension: UTTER FAIL

    Harrington:

    Just as they tried in Afghanistan, our Moral Betters have sought to impose liberal democracy and woke feminism from the top down here. And like in Afghanistan, they’ve failed to win hearts and minds. Instead, they’ve created a paper-thin fake consensus over a boiling pit of angry resentment.

    I know it’s the Guardian, and that may have confused you, but the bit about her writing for unHerd might have given you a clue that you needed to actually read what she was writing before bloviating about it. I have some reservations about her focus, but not compared with you.

    • Replies: @anon
    @gandydancer

    Reading comprehension: UTTER FAIL

    You sure? While she is aware the top-down approach has failed there is no evidence she has even a scintella of a glimpse of why. In other words:


    . She just can’t understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It’s a total mystery to her. No clue.
     
    It's almost as if "what" is not the same as "why". Perhaps you should review your own reading comprehension?

    Here is a free clue: women are not men with boobs; men are not defective women. That is part of the why, and it is nowhere to be found in the little whiney Grauniad article. Perhaps it is news to you as well?

    I have some reservations about her focus, but not compared with you.

    Ok. Hope it doesn't keep you awake at night.

    Replies: @gandydancer

  253. @J.Ross
    @JackOH

    There were several Scots in Russia as military trainers and engineers, and (I think) the Khalsa -- the Sikh adaptation to modern European warfare -- was facilitated largely by Scots. Isn't there a quote that every European monarch in this period had their own formation of Scots mercenaries?

    Replies: @gandydancer

    …(I think) the Khalsa — the Sikh adaptation to modern European warfare — was facilitated largely by Scots.

    It’s not dispositive, but, FWIW, searching for “Scot” turns up no results here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_Khalsa_Army or here https://books.google.com/books?id=YrG_aJTgnw0C.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @gandydancer

    I see my error. I was using "Khalsa" to mean "Khalsa army after Rajit Singh." Khalsa could be reasonably laymanized to "the religion/state" (or even as a synonym to Sikhism). To briefly digress, Sikhs preceded the Khalsa, but an important Sikh's father got murdered, and he had a roughly sort of Martin Luther moment, and instituted a new set of rules and practices which became rapidly normalized. That's the Khalsa, but now, it's also Sikhism. Some time after that, one Sikh ruler united smaller governments, and brought in at least two (my second mistake) Frenchmen and one American of immediate Scottish ancestry (so there), to modernize his army. But Scots appeared a lot (and very prominently) in British India, so it's not a crazy mistake, unless you picture somebody growing up in Scotland and then riding a horse all day in 18th and 19th century European clothing in the tropics.
    https://en.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gardner_(soldier)

    Replies: @gandydancer

  254. @Reg Cæsar
    @anon

    Nice line in your link:


    Just as they tried in Afghanistan, our Moral Betters have sought to impose liberal democracy and woke feminism from the top down here. And like in Afghanistan, they’ve failed to win hearts and minds. Instead, they’ve created a paper-thin fake consensus over a boiling pit of angry resentment.
     
    Also at the Mail, a shocking story of animal abuse:


    Holy cow! Calf is spotted sitting in back seat of car at McDonald's drive-thru after farmer stopped in for something to eat on way home from fair


    You'd think a proper Cheesehead would have the decency to take the calf to Culver's, not Mickey D's, the Chicagoland carpetbagger. At least it's in a Buick, not a Caddy, so there's a limit to the degradation.

    I'm about halfway through Abigail Shrier's book, so I know this statement is nonsense: "They claimed this was first identified case of 'mass social media-induced illness.'" Still, it may lead to the correction of the mass misunderstanding of "Tourette's".

    YouTube star Jan Zimmerman, 22, is 'linked to rise in Tourette symptoms' among fans mimicking his tics and outbursts, study shows

    It cites the "University of Canada", which apparently exists only in Egypt.

    https://www.uofcanada.edu.eg/

    Replies: @gandydancer

  255. @Forbes
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One thought of the SHTF...

    Apocalyptic prognostications always arise, but what unfolds?

    In 1987, Wall Street brokers in NYC held parties celebrating Dow Jones index milestones, e.g. surpassing 2,000 or 2,100 as if New Year's Eve occurred several times a year. I attended one at the old Palladium to mark the crossing of 2,100, meanwhile the Dow had crossed 2,300 by the night of the event. Needless, the market famously crashed in October, but was still up for the year at Dec 31.

    The Tech bubble ('95-'00) is when Fed Chair Greenspan invoked his famous phrase "irrational exuberance" in December '96, yet the reckoning (down 78%) didn't occur for some time ('01-'02).

    The recovery from the dotcom bubble to the '08 GFC (global financial crisis) or the housing and mortgage finance crisis (epitomized by "The Big Short" movie based on the Michael Lewis book) was fueled by the government's ZIRP (zero interest rate policy), or ultra-low interest rates resulting in malinvestment and market distortions due to suppressed/manipulated interest rates.

    The ultra-low rates that spurred the GFC have been repeated, and then some, resulting in ~$15 trillion of fixed income securities trading at a negative yield. And now the specter of galloping inflation due to government fiscal stimulus raises its head--by sticking its hand in your wallet to fleece you.

    There will be tears.

    Replies: @epebble

    And now the specter of galloping inflation

    There won’t be galloping inflation. Only mild, may be sustained. Labor market is globalized now like any other market and there is a lot of slack in global labor supply.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @epebble


    There won’t be galloping inflation. Only mild, may be sustained. Labor market is globalized now like any other market and there is a lot of slack in global labor supply.
     
    The idea that real wage retardation is a sufficient barrier to hyperinflation is silly.

    Replies: @epebble

  256. @gandydancer
    @Stan Adams

    Look again. Komment Kontrol relented, if that's what it was. Sometimes SS just doesn't approve things in order.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stan Adams

    Sorry, sometimes I don’t approve long comments promptly because I figure I can approve 10 short comments in the time it takes to read one long comment and then it’s a long time before I get back to the long comment. I realize that’s unfair to commenters who put a lot of work into a long comment. And Stan was very good about putting a MORE pagebreak in right near the top. So my apologies to Stan.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer

    No apologies necessary Steve. It's your blog and you can dis/approve WTF you feel like. I wouldn't approve some of the stuff you have, but the free wheeling discussion you allow makes iSteve the best blog on the Internet. Period.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    No need to apologize. Thank you for indulging me.

    I wrote the story years ago, in the aftermath of the Dylann Roof church shooting.



    The whole story is literally the length of a short novel. Hitler ends up recruiting an ultra-dysfunctional Dirty Dozen assortment to try to launch the race war, which Satan hopes will trigger the Apocalypse.

    The climax takes place aboard a jetliner. Hitler and his henchmen hijack the plane and attempt to crash it (9/11-style) into the opening ceremonies of the National Slavery Museum in Washington. (In addition to wiping out much of the talented-tenth cadre, this attack will stir the black masses to violence - or so they hope.) But Judge Judy, who is aboard the plane, inspires her fellow passengers to stage a United 93-type revolt. In the ensuing chaos, Judy manages to pull off a Miracle on the Potomac crash landing.

    Most of the passengers escape, but Hitler and his cronies are trapped in the wreckage as the fuel tanks explode. They are presumed dead. (The authorities assume that the reincarnated "Fuehrer" was just a kook.)

    The epilogue takes place one year later in a Brazilian laboratory, where German scientists are preparing for the trial run of an experimental time machine. They treat their mysterious test subject with great deference and respect. As they activate the machine and the subject prepares to step into the blinding light, the scientists give him the infamous stiff-armed salute.

    In 1934, the reincarnated twenty-first century Hitler suddenly materializes in the plane about to land at the Nuremberg rally, a scene immortalized by Leni Riefenstahl. Seconds later, the plane explodes ... but not before a solitary mustached figure escapes via parachute. As he floats to the ground, he chuckles to himself and whispers, "Don't worry, Dad ... I'll get it right this time."

    Another voice whispers back: "We'll see. Always remember, my son, that history always repeats itself - first as tragedy, then as farce. But I suspect that, in your case, the order is reversed."

    Hitler grimaces and mutters, "Gee, Dad, thanks for the encouragement." Then he lands on the ground, unbuckles his parachute, and walks off toward an uncertain fate.

    Admittedly, it's not my best work. In the lawyer scene, was shooting for a Woody-Allen-goes-to-Hell vibe, believe it or not.

    I typically type long comments into Notepad and save them regardless of whether they get approved. Sometimes I refer back to them a year or two later and think, "What the hell was I thinking when I wrote this?"

    Sometimes I ask that question the very next day.

  257. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @gandydancer
    @anon


    This UK feminist frets about Taliban memes. She just can’t understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It’s a total mystery to her. No clue.
     
    Reading comprehension: UTTER FAIL

    Harrington:


    Just as they tried in Afghanistan, our Moral Betters have sought to impose liberal democracy and woke feminism from the top down here. And like in Afghanistan, they’ve failed to win hearts and minds. Instead, they’ve created a paper-thin fake consensus over a boiling pit of angry resentment.
     
    I know it's the Guardian, and that may have confused you, but the bit about her writing for unHerd might have given you a clue that you needed to actually read what she was writing before bloviating about it. I have some reservations about her focus, but not compared with you.

    Replies: @anon

    Reading comprehension: UTTER FAIL

    You sure? While she is aware the top-down approach has failed there is no evidence she has even a scintella of a glimpse of why. In other words:

    . She just can’t understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It’s a total mystery to her. No clue.

    It’s almost as if “what” is not the same as “why”. Perhaps you should review your own reading comprehension?

    Here is a free clue: women are not men with boobs; men are not defective women. That is part of the why, and it is nowhere to be found in the little whiney Grauniad article. Perhaps it is news to you as well?

    I have some reservations about her focus, but not compared with you.

    Ok. Hope it doesn’t keep you awake at night.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @anon

    That's a pathetic attempt to defend your failure to actually read the article. Among the reasons that she offers as to "why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism" she offers, that they "connect[] Western support for gender-bending to a failure of military competence" and "the American military industry is now run by women" and "It’s difficult to find mainstream cultural imagery that doesn’t at least superficially support the ‘girlboss’ consensus" and


    Gillette faced a backlash in 2019 for lecturing its (male) customers on ‘toxic masculinity’. Nike, a company that (according to its own reports) makes twice as much money from selling menswear as womenswear, ran a campaign that featured a pink-haired teenage girl sneering at ‘patriarchy’.
     
    also,

    When a 22-year-old man shot dead five people in Plymouth earlier this month...[this] prompted an outbreak of Nice White Women on TV, talking about ‘toxic masculinity’ and the poisonous bigotry of ‘radicalised’ far-Right online cultures.
     
    More,

    De-industrialisation has driven an increasingly feminised education and employment landscape. Traditional sources of male employment have been replaced by service-economy and caring roles, where... soft [non-masculine] skills are all-important [and better compensated].
     
    This, which is not an exhaustive list of her explanations, is compared with these soldiers "lionising the Taliban as heroic anti-woke freedom fighters [who] "took over the country in like 12 hours.’" And "If you’re a middle-class white woman, as I am, this is all greatly to your advantage. But clearly not everyone is on board [or has so benefitted]".

    As I said, or at least implied, her focus on Taliban-admirers as opposed to the merely globo-homo repulsed (a much larger group) is unwarranted, but there is not the slightest indication that she needs instruction from you that men are not just defective women.

    Replies: @anon

  258. @gandydancer
    @J.Ross


    ...(I think) the Khalsa — the Sikh adaptation to modern European warfare — was facilitated largely by Scots.
     
    It's not dispositive, but, FWIW, searching for "Scot" turns up no results here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_Khalsa_Army or here https://books.google.com/books?id=YrG_aJTgnw0C.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I see my error. I was using “Khalsa” to mean “Khalsa army after Rajit Singh.” Khalsa could be reasonably laymanized to “the religion/state” (or even as a synonym to Sikhism). To briefly digress, Sikhs preceded the Khalsa, but an important Sikh’s father got murdered, and he had a roughly sort of Martin Luther moment, and instituted a new set of rules and practices which became rapidly normalized. That’s the Khalsa, but now, it’s also Sikhism. Some time after that, one Sikh ruler united smaller governments, and brought in at least two (my second mistake) Frenchmen and one American of immediate Scottish ancestry (so there), to modernize his army. But Scots appeared a lot (and very prominently) in British India, so it’s not a crazy mistake, unless you picture somebody growing up in Scotland and then riding a horse all day in 18th and 19th century European clothing in the tropics.
    https://en.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gardner_(soldier)

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @J.Ross

    I wasn't accusing you of a "crazy mistake", just saying that I had looked and that Scots were not all that obviously in evidence. I don't believe I'd ever even heard of Khalsa before this. Congrats on coming up with Gardner.

  259. @gandydancer
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/5028251/jewish/Why-Is-Gordon-a-Jewish-Last-Name.htm

    But it takes an idiot like Tre to assert than any random Gordon is a (((Gordon))).

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Reg Cæsar

    Now who’s making shit up? My assertion that Low was jewish is more based on the fact that she looks like she looks like a garden variety ugly Ashkenazi woman, and there are precisely zero Scots Irish features in this face:

    Without knowing who it is, you’re telling me your first or even 5th guess would have been Scots Irish? NFW.

    Maybe I am wrong, but mentioning that her father was a Confederate officer as proof is pretty silly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Confederates

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    She looks like a typical ugly Scots Irish woman to me. I can see her toothless guarding the still.

    , @gandydancer
    @Mike Tre

    You, before:


    Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.
     
    You, now:

    My assertion that Low was jewish(sic) is more based on the fact that she looks like she looks like a garden variety ugly Ashkenazi woman
     
    In other words all you have behind your ignorant claim is the purported accuracy of your Jewdar, despite the fact that the first sentence gives every indication of claiming to be an informed statement about reality rather than about the bugs crawling in your brain.

    And despite the unacknowledged fact that your Jewdar seems in this instance to have been on the fritz.

    From your link, "Jews were only 2,000 out of 1 million members of the CSA". Yeah, 1 in 50,000 seems about right for the probability that you are right about practically anything you say in the vicinity of your obsession.

    There's also this: https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Confederates-NS-Robert-Rosen/dp/1570033633. Amazon helpfully lets you search the text, and reports no instances of "Gordon".

  260. @JackOH
    @Reg Cæsar

    True dat. If my memory's okay, Scottish regiments served in the Thirty Years War to free some Pomeranian and Prussian coastal towns, mostly German, from whomever was the latest conqueror du jour during that time. After 1648, some Scots stayed on as important traders, and Germanized their names. I don't have a handy example.

    The Poland of a few centuries ago was much more extensive and diverse than today's propped-up version, so trade with the seafaring and enterprising Scots was something of a natural.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    One of Frederick the Great’s generals, von Keith, was a Scotsman. He was a Jacobite who IIRC first settled in Spain, but being a Protestant, could not advance to high rank in the Spanish army, and so moved to Prussia.

    • Thanks: JackOH
  261. @al gore rhythms
    @The Plutonium Kid

    I don't know about audience figures, but here in the UK, I rarely hear young women at work talk about soap operas. If they watch TV it's for shows like 'Love Island', a kind of scripted reality TV dating show. This distills a lot of what women like about soap operas, but in a more exotic location, and with 'real' people and the chance to vote (I think).

    It also bears more than a passing resemblance to a dystopian BBC drama from the '60's called 'the year of the sex olympics' which is worth watching as a prediction of the future. It's on youtube.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    TV dramas have gotten more soap opera-ish over the years. Even “House MD,” which had a great gimmick (Sherlock Holmes as the world’s best diagnostician), tended to get into who is sleeping with whom over the years. So, Quality Television is more appealing than old-fashioned cheap soap operas now that they deliver much the same content.

    It may have something to do with the growth of plot arcs rather than shows that reset with each new episode (e.g., The Simpsons never change no matter how many wacky adventures Homer has, which he only vaguely recalls).

    • Replies: @S Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    I heard that Greg Daniels introduced plot arcs into “The Office” in order to try and keep up with prestige TV. It sort of checks out; “Friends” had some broad arcs but each episode was also pretty much self-contained, so shows could still be reshuffled in syndication.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    The Simpsons stopped being funny back in 2002.

  262. @Steve Sailer
    @gandydancer

    Sorry, sometimes I don't approve long comments promptly because I figure I can approve 10 short comments in the time it takes to read one long comment and then it's a long time before I get back to the long comment. I realize that's unfair to commenters who put a lot of work into a long comment. And Stan was very good about putting a MORE pagebreak in right near the top. So my apologies to Stan.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams

    No apologies necessary Steve. It’s your blog and you can dis/approve WTF you feel like. I wouldn’t approve some of the stuff you have, but the free wheeling discussion you allow makes iSteve the best blog on the Internet. Period.

  263. @Mike Tre
    @gandydancer

    Now who's making shit up? My assertion that Low was jewish is more based on the fact that she looks like she looks like a garden variety ugly Ashkenazi woman, and there are precisely zero Scots Irish features in this face:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-78agbl8vYao/T15d3k9fTdI/AAAAAAAABBg/gDOkXsYTB_o/s1600/juliette-gordon-low1.jpg


    Without knowing who it is, you're telling me your first or even 5th guess would have been Scots Irish? NFW.

    Maybe I am wrong, but mentioning that her father was a Confederate officer as proof is pretty silly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Confederates

    Replies: @Anonymous, @gandydancer

    She looks like a typical ugly Scots Irish woman to me. I can see her toothless guarding the still.

  264. @Steve Sailer
    @al gore rhythms

    TV dramas have gotten more soap opera-ish over the years. Even "House MD," which had a great gimmick (Sherlock Holmes as the world's best diagnostician), tended to get into who is sleeping with whom over the years. So, Quality Television is more appealing than old-fashioned cheap soap operas now that they deliver much the same content.

    It may have something to do with the growth of plot arcs rather than shows that reset with each new episode (e.g., The Simpsons never change no matter how many wacky adventures Homer has, which he only vaguely recalls).

    Replies: @S Johnson, @JohnnyWalker123

    I heard that Greg Daniels introduced plot arcs into “The Office” in order to try and keep up with prestige TV. It sort of checks out; “Friends” had some broad arcs but each episode was also pretty much self-contained, so shows could still be reshuffled in syndication.

  265. @epebble
    @Forbes

    And now the specter of galloping inflation

    There won't be galloping inflation. Only mild, may be sustained. Labor market is globalized now like any other market and there is a lot of slack in global labor supply.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    There won’t be galloping inflation. Only mild, may be sustained. Labor market is globalized now like any other market and there is a lot of slack in global labor supply.

    The idea that real wage retardation is a sufficient barrier to hyperinflation is silly.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @gandydancer

    If you have any references that model a scenario of Hyperinflation in U.S. with negative real wage growth, I would like to read that.

    The only meaningful Hyperinflation in U.S. History was during the Civil War. The inflation during Revolutionary war is not meaningful from today's perspective since there was no understanding of paper money at the time.

    https://inflationdata.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2005/01/Confederate-Inflation.jpg

    Replies: @gandydancer

  266. @anon
    @gandydancer

    Reading comprehension: UTTER FAIL

    You sure? While she is aware the top-down approach has failed there is no evidence she has even a scintella of a glimpse of why. In other words:


    . She just can’t understand why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism. It’s a total mystery to her. No clue.
     
    It's almost as if "what" is not the same as "why". Perhaps you should review your own reading comprehension?

    Here is a free clue: women are not men with boobs; men are not defective women. That is part of the why, and it is nowhere to be found in the little whiney Grauniad article. Perhaps it is news to you as well?

    I have some reservations about her focus, but not compared with you.

    Ok. Hope it doesn't keep you awake at night.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    That’s a pathetic attempt to defend your failure to actually read the article. Among the reasons that she offers as to “why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism” she offers, that they “connect[] Western support for gender-bending to a failure of military competence” and “the American military industry is now run by women” and “It’s difficult to find mainstream cultural imagery that doesn’t at least superficially support the ‘girlboss’ consensus” and

    Gillette faced a backlash in 2019 for lecturing its (male) customers on ‘toxic masculinity’. Nike, a company that (according to its own reports) makes twice as much money from selling menswear as womenswear, ran a campaign that featured a pink-haired teenage girl sneering at ‘patriarchy’.

    also,

    When a 22-year-old man shot dead five people in Plymouth earlier this month…[this] prompted an outbreak of Nice White Women on TV, talking about ‘toxic masculinity’ and the poisonous bigotry of ‘radicalised’ far-Right online cultures.

    More,

    De-industrialisation has driven an increasingly feminised education and employment landscape. Traditional sources of male employment have been replaced by service-economy and caring roles, where… soft [non-masculine] skills are all-important [and better compensated].

    This, which is not an exhaustive list of her explanations, is compared with these soldiers “lionising the Taliban as heroic anti-woke freedom fighters [who] “took over the country in like 12 hours.’” And “If you’re a middle-class white woman, as I am, this is all greatly to your advantage. But clearly not everyone is on board [or has so benefitted]”.

    As I said, or at least implied, her focus on Taliban-admirers as opposed to the merely globo-homo repulsed (a much larger group) is unwarranted, but there is not the slightest indication that she needs instruction from you that men are not just defective women.

    • Replies: @anon
    @gandydancer

    As I said, or at least implied, her focus on Taliban-admirers as opposed to the merely globo-homo repulsed (a much larger group) is unwarranted, but there is not the slightest indication that she needs instruction from you that men are not just defective women.

    Since she's a privileged writer for the Grauniad there's zero chance she would take any instruction from a mere deplorable. But I'm sure she's relieved to know there's some guy on the Internet standing up for her cognitive powers, minimal though they are.

    Replies: @gandydancer

  267. @J.Ross
    @gandydancer

    I see my error. I was using "Khalsa" to mean "Khalsa army after Rajit Singh." Khalsa could be reasonably laymanized to "the religion/state" (or even as a synonym to Sikhism). To briefly digress, Sikhs preceded the Khalsa, but an important Sikh's father got murdered, and he had a roughly sort of Martin Luther moment, and instituted a new set of rules and practices which became rapidly normalized. That's the Khalsa, but now, it's also Sikhism. Some time after that, one Sikh ruler united smaller governments, and brought in at least two (my second mistake) Frenchmen and one American of immediate Scottish ancestry (so there), to modernize his army. But Scots appeared a lot (and very prominently) in British India, so it's not a crazy mistake, unless you picture somebody growing up in Scotland and then riding a horse all day in 18th and 19th century European clothing in the tropics.
    https://en.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gardner_(soldier)

    Replies: @gandydancer

    I wasn’t accusing you of a “crazy mistake”, just saying that I had looked and that Scots were not all that obviously in evidence. I don’t believe I’d ever even heard of Khalsa before this. Congrats on coming up with Gardner.

  268. @Mike Tre
    @gandydancer

    Now who's making shit up? My assertion that Low was jewish is more based on the fact that she looks like she looks like a garden variety ugly Ashkenazi woman, and there are precisely zero Scots Irish features in this face:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-78agbl8vYao/T15d3k9fTdI/AAAAAAAABBg/gDOkXsYTB_o/s1600/juliette-gordon-low1.jpg


    Without knowing who it is, you're telling me your first or even 5th guess would have been Scots Irish? NFW.

    Maybe I am wrong, but mentioning that her father was a Confederate officer as proof is pretty silly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Confederates

    Replies: @Anonymous, @gandydancer

    You, before:

    Juliette (((Gordon))) Low was the bored housewife of a rich man and she came from from a (((rich))) family.

    You, now:

    My assertion that Low was jewish(sic) is more based on the fact that she looks like she looks like a garden variety ugly Ashkenazi woman

    In other words all you have behind your ignorant claim is the purported accuracy of your Jewdar, despite the fact that the first sentence gives every indication of claiming to be an informed statement about reality rather than about the bugs crawling in your brain.

    And despite the unacknowledged fact that your Jewdar seems in this instance to have been on the fritz.

    From your link, “Jews were only 2,000 out of 1 million members of the CSA”. Yeah, 1 in 50,000 seems about right for the probability that you are right about practically anything you say in the vicinity of your obsession.

    There’s also this: https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Confederates-NS-Robert-Rosen/dp/1570033633. Amazon helpfully lets you search the text, and reports no instances of “Gordon”.

  269. @gandydancer
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/5028251/jewish/Why-Is-Gordon-a-Jewish-Last-Name.htm

    But it takes an idiot like Tre to assert than any random Gordon is a (((Gordon))).

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Reg Cæsar

    But it takes an idiot like Tre to assert than any random Gordon is a (((Gordon))).

    Perhaps he descends from the Vilna Gaon? Vilnius isn’t that far from Grodno either.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Reg Cæsar


    Perhaps he descends from the Vilna Gaon?
     
    Perhaps he knocked up your great-great-great-grandmother, but if I write (((Reg Cæsar))) on no better basis than that baseless supposition I'd be marking myself as just as much a lunatic as Tre. But, if you want to express your solidarity with that kind of thinking, go ahead.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  270. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @gandydancer
    @anon

    That's a pathetic attempt to defend your failure to actually read the article. Among the reasons that she offers as to "why 20-something Americans in uniform hate feminism" she offers, that they "connect[] Western support for gender-bending to a failure of military competence" and "the American military industry is now run by women" and "It’s difficult to find mainstream cultural imagery that doesn’t at least superficially support the ‘girlboss’ consensus" and


    Gillette faced a backlash in 2019 for lecturing its (male) customers on ‘toxic masculinity’. Nike, a company that (according to its own reports) makes twice as much money from selling menswear as womenswear, ran a campaign that featured a pink-haired teenage girl sneering at ‘patriarchy’.
     
    also,

    When a 22-year-old man shot dead five people in Plymouth earlier this month...[this] prompted an outbreak of Nice White Women on TV, talking about ‘toxic masculinity’ and the poisonous bigotry of ‘radicalised’ far-Right online cultures.
     
    More,

    De-industrialisation has driven an increasingly feminised education and employment landscape. Traditional sources of male employment have been replaced by service-economy and caring roles, where... soft [non-masculine] skills are all-important [and better compensated].
     
    This, which is not an exhaustive list of her explanations, is compared with these soldiers "lionising the Taliban as heroic anti-woke freedom fighters [who] "took over the country in like 12 hours.’" And "If you’re a middle-class white woman, as I am, this is all greatly to your advantage. But clearly not everyone is on board [or has so benefitted]".

    As I said, or at least implied, her focus on Taliban-admirers as opposed to the merely globo-homo repulsed (a much larger group) is unwarranted, but there is not the slightest indication that she needs instruction from you that men are not just defective women.

    Replies: @anon

    As I said, or at least implied, her focus on Taliban-admirers as opposed to the merely globo-homo repulsed (a much larger group) is unwarranted, but there is not the slightest indication that she needs instruction from you that men are not just defective women.

    Since she’s a privileged writer for the Grauniad there’s zero chance she would take any instruction from a mere deplorable. But I’m sure she’s relieved to know there’s some guy on the Internet standing up for her cognitive powers, minimal though they are.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @anon


    Since she’s a privileged writer for the Grauniad there’s zero chance she would take any instruction from a mere deplorable. But I’m sure she’s relieved to know there’s some guy on the Internet standing up for her cognitive powers, minimal though they are.
     
    Since you quote my disagreement with her your take is quite strange. I am quite clearly not standing up for her cognitive powers, but deriding yours.

    She got a payday from The Guardian seemingly based on an elevator pitch that featured Deplorables as pro=Taliban morons, and I will not thank her for that. But, as I've said repeatedly, you're something even worse.

  271. @gandydancer
    @epebble


    There won’t be galloping inflation. Only mild, may be sustained. Labor market is globalized now like any other market and there is a lot of slack in global labor supply.
     
    The idea that real wage retardation is a sufficient barrier to hyperinflation is silly.

    Replies: @epebble

    If you have any references that model a scenario of Hyperinflation in U.S. with negative real wage growth, I would like to read that.

    The only meaningful Hyperinflation in U.S. History was during the Civil War. The inflation during Revolutionary war is not meaningful from today’s perspective since there was no understanding of paper money at the time.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @epebble

    I don't need a "model". No exalted understanding of economics is required to understand that printing money in unlimited quantities will destroy its value. I'm not sure why you think Confederate scrip is a counterexample or why some supposed greater "understanding of paper money" is imagined to have eliminated the significance of the Revolutionary experience. Neither is true. Zimbabwe and post-WWI Germany are also relevant. Reality is what doesn't change when you stop believing in it. Fiat money doesn't have that quality.

  272. @Stan Adams
    @40 Lashes Less One

    Wasn’t he the one who talked about getting tingles up his leg while watching Obama’s stump speech in ‘08?

    Replies: @40 Lashes Less One

    That’s him. They forced him into retirement at MSNBC for essentially telling one of the female commentators she was pretty

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @40 Lashes Less One


    forced him into retirement at MSNBC for essentially telling one of the female commentators she was pretty
     
    When has it EVER paid off for a beta male to compliment a female?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @J.Ross
    @40 Lashes Less One

    >masturbate on a phone call to a female coworker
    This is journalism.
    >masturbate during a videoconference with female coworkers
    This is journalism.
    >get caught repeatedly and outrageously lying
    This is journalism.
    >get caught plagiarizing
    This is journalism.
    >tell a girl she's pretty
    This is not journalism.
    I guess they're right, except that nothing else in mainstream joirnalism is journalism.

  273. @Reg Cæsar

    ...that feminism fell out of fashion for 50 years.
     
    Florence King attributed this to the suffragists having won. The ERA failed, at least on paper, and this led to decades of rage.

    ...the rise of sexual harassment allegations as Sacred Writ from the time of Anita Hill
     
    ...but not Paula Jones. Funny how that works.

    Ann Douglas was on to this decades ago. From Goodreads' description of her 1977 book:

    This modern classic by one of our leading scholars seeks to explain the values prevalent in today's mass culture by tracing them back to their roots in the Victorian era. As religion lost its hold on the public mind, clergymen and educated women, powerless and insignificant in the society of the time, together exerted a profound effect on the only areas open to their influence: the arts and literature. Women wrote books that idealized the very qualities that kept them powerless: timidity, piety, and a disdain for competition. Sentimental values that permeated popular literature continue to influence modern culture, preoccupied as it is with glamour, banal melodrama, and mindless consumption.

    The Feminization of American Culture
    by Ann Douglas

     
    She doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Stan d Mute

    White women were convinced, in large part, to not just abjure, but to utterly abstain from the single most important feature of their existence (arguably their only purpose in existence). White men were convinced to respect and support this abdication of reproductive responsibility.

    The only question that matters, at all, is who did this convincing?

    Someday we might have time and inclination for investigation into the weaknesses that allow the aforementioned convincing, but not if we are extinct.

  274. @40 Lashes Less One
    @Stan Adams

    That's him. They forced him into retirement at MSNBC for essentially telling one of the female commentators she was pretty

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @J.Ross

    forced him into retirement at MSNBC for essentially telling one of the female commentators she was pretty

    When has it EVER paid off for a beta male to compliment a female?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Stan d Mute

    I bet Matthews didn't think of himself as a beta.

  275. @Steve Sailer
    @gandydancer

    Sorry, sometimes I don't approve long comments promptly because I figure I can approve 10 short comments in the time it takes to read one long comment and then it's a long time before I get back to the long comment. I realize that's unfair to commenters who put a lot of work into a long comment. And Stan was very good about putting a MORE pagebreak in right near the top. So my apologies to Stan.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams

    No need to apologize. Thank you for indulging me.

    I wrote the story years ago, in the aftermath of the Dylann Roof church shooting.

    [MORE]

    The whole story is literally the length of a short novel. Hitler ends up recruiting an ultra-dysfunctional Dirty Dozen assortment to try to launch the race war, which Satan hopes will trigger the Apocalypse.

    The climax takes place aboard a jetliner. Hitler and his henchmen hijack the plane and attempt to crash it (9/11-style) into the opening ceremonies of the National Slavery Museum in Washington. (In addition to wiping out much of the talented-tenth cadre, this attack will stir the black masses to violence – or so they hope.) But Judge Judy, who is aboard the plane, inspires her fellow passengers to stage a United 93-type revolt. In the ensuing chaos, Judy manages to pull off a Miracle on the Potomac crash landing.

    Most of the passengers escape, but Hitler and his cronies are trapped in the wreckage as the fuel tanks explode. They are presumed dead. (The authorities assume that the reincarnated “Fuehrer” was just a kook.)

    The epilogue takes place one year later in a Brazilian laboratory, where German scientists are preparing for the trial run of an experimental time machine. They treat their mysterious test subject with great deference and respect. As they activate the machine and the subject prepares to step into the blinding light, the scientists give him the infamous stiff-armed salute.

    In 1934, the reincarnated twenty-first century Hitler suddenly materializes in the plane about to land at the Nuremberg rally, a scene immortalized by Leni Riefenstahl. Seconds later, the plane explodes … but not before a solitary mustached figure escapes via parachute. As he floats to the ground, he chuckles to himself and whispers, “Don’t worry, Dad … I’ll get it right this time.”

    Another voice whispers back: “We’ll see. Always remember, my son, that history always repeats itself – first as tragedy, then as farce. But I suspect that, in your case, the order is reversed.”

    Hitler grimaces and mutters, “Gee, Dad, thanks for the encouragement.” Then he lands on the ground, unbuckles his parachute, and walks off toward an uncertain fate.

    Admittedly, it’s not my best work. In the lawyer scene, was shooting for a Woody-Allen-goes-to-Hell vibe, believe it or not.

    I typically type long comments into Notepad and save them regardless of whether they get approved. Sometimes I refer back to them a year or two later and think, “What the hell was I thinking when I wrote this?”

    Sometimes I ask that question the very next day.

  276. @gandydancer
    @Stan Adams

    Look again. Komment Kontrol relented, if that's what it was. Sometimes SS just doesn't approve things in order.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stan Adams

    Now, here is something that I really did write just right now. It’s a sequel to the piece I submitted above, still based on the overall storyline that I created in 2015, but somewhat more polished. I’m six years older and (hopefully) wiser.

    [MORE]

    Maury Feldstein opened his eyes … and found himself lying on an operating table, staring directly into Rolf Lundgren’s face. The big Nazi skinhead was standing above the nebbish Jewish lawyer. Rolf was gazing at Maury’s face with a fascination bordering on awe.

    “What, you’ve never seen a balding Jew before?” Maury asked.

    “You don’t look like a Jew anymore,” Rolf said. “You look like a Swede.”

    “There is such a thing as a Swedish Jew, you know,” Maury hissed as he sat up. “All of this Nazi racial-classification bulls**t is so f**king stupid. ‘Nordid’ and ‘Baltid’ and all the other fake labels that the Stormfront fools use. It’s crap science. I mean … Jesus, I really do look like a Swede.”

    Dr. Kevorkian had positioned a large mirror next to the bed. Now that Maury was looking at it, he had to blink several times to ensure that his eyes were not playing tricks on him. Evidently they were not.

    A few hours earlier, when Maury walked into the operating room, he could have been taken for Woody Allen’s dorkier brother. Now he was a square-jawed Viking out of Central Casting. His brown eyes were now blue; his receding brownish-gray hairline was now a straight blonde crew cut; his bird-beak chin was now an imposing cliff.

    But perhaps the most striking change was in the overall youth and vibrancy of his face. Maury had gone into the operation a late fifty-something guy who looked a good ten years older than his actual age; he had come out looking fifteen, even twenty years younger.

    Maury also noticed in the mirror that, in addition to Rolf, Dr. Jack Kevorkian was standing nearby, beaming like a proud parent.

    “Can I cook, or can’t I?” the good doctor asked.

    “You can, indeed,” Maury replied. “Even the most fanatical skinhead won’t question my Aryan heritage now. Too bad you weren’t working in Germany in the 1930s. You might have saved the lives of my grandparents.”

    “Say what you will about the Nazis, but they did have very progressive views on euthanasia,” Jack said. “Are your grandparents also here in Hell?”

    “No, they ended up in Heaven.”

    “Ah. Pity.”

    “Sven is in Heaven, too,” Rolf mumbled.

    “Who’s Sven?” Maury asked.

    “This guy,” Dr. Kevorkian said, smiling broadly at his impressive work. “Take a look. You might find him quite familiar.”

    Jack handed Maury a worn, torn photograph. For a second, Maury thought that it was a picture of him – the face was identical to the one he could see in the mirror. Then he realized that the person in the photograph was standing outside, on a beach somewhere.

    “That’s Sven,” Rolf said gently.

    “You know him?” Maury asked.

    “I … knew him. He … died.”

    “Did you know him … well?”

    Rolf, rarely a brilliant conversationalist, merely turned away. After an awkward interval, Dr. Kevorkian filled the void.

    “I would assume that Rolf knew Sven in the Biblical sense … and in every other sense, as well.”

    Maury snorted … and shuddered.

    “Wonderful,” he muttered. “So Rolf had you make me into a carbon copy of his old boyfriend. I suppose he’ll be whispering sweet Sven-nothings into my ear as he bends me over. Aren’t we carrying this prison-bitch thing just a little too far?”

    Rolf whirled around and shot Maury a murderous glare.

    “F**k you,” he spat.

    “No, thank you,” Maury replied.

    Rolf lurched toward Maury, his face full of rage. The doctor moved swiftly to block him.

    “Now, now, let’s not have any of that,” the good doctor said. “Maury didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, Rolf. I’m sure your friend was a fine, upstanding fellow, and you’re just trying to honor his memory by letting Maury borrow his face. Isn’t that right?”

    “Sven was the noblest man I’ve ever known,” Rolf said. “And, unlike Maury, he wasn’t a f**king midget. He was a tall, strong Nordic warrior.”

    “I am *not* a midget,” Maury hissed. “I am five-foot-three. Five-foot-three is in the low-average range.”

    *Very* low,” Rolf interjected.

    “Gentlemen…” the doctor attempted to interrupt.

    “A *midget* is a well-proportioned dwarf,” Maury continued, his voice rising into the tenor range. “The cutoff for dwarfism is four-foot-ten. I categorically deny that I can in any way, shape, or form be defined as a *midget*. Isn’t that right, Doctor?”

    Somewhat flustered, Kevorkian stammered, “Well … yes, yes, yes, of course, you’re right. You’re not a midget, technically. But Rolf didn’t mean anything by that remark, I’m sure.”

    “I meant what I said.”

    “Now, now, Rolf, let’s just let this slide, shall we? I mean, I’m no giant myself. We’re all God’s – Satan’s – we’re all Satan’s creatures, aren’t we? Some of us are short; some of us are tall. Rolf just happens to be on the right side of the height-distribution curve. Maury is on the … left side.”

    Rolf shrugged.

    “I’m 6’5″,” he said. “My older brothers are 6’7″ and 6’8″. My father is 6’6″.”

    “Ah, so you’re the runt, aren’t you?” Jack said with a smile. “So surely you can understand why Maury might be sensitive.”

    “I am *not* oversensitive,” Maury said.

    “I didn’t say *oversensitive*. I said *sensitive*. We’re all sensitive to varying degrees.”

    “Look, Maury, I’m sorry, okay?” Rolf said. “To tell you the truth … Sven was a really handsome guy, and I wanted you to look good for this assignment. Would you rather go back to earth looking like a bum?”

    “No, I suppose not,” Maury said. “If I have to look like someone else, I might as well look like someone who’s good-looking.”

    “That’s the spirit,” the good doctor said. “Well, I’d love to stay, but I have to go. I have a lunch appointment with Aaron Kosminski. He’s quite a skilled surgeon himself, you know. He certainly did a thorough job on those whores in London. Good luck with your assignment!”

    The doctor left. Maury stood up and stretched.

    “Who is Aaron Kosminski?” Rolf asked.

    “Jack the Ripper,” Maury replied.

    The two men walked out into the waiting room. The receptionist – a hideous gargoyle – handed them their discharge papers and curtly bade them farewell. They emerged into the lobby of the medical building, and walked downstairs to the underground passageway. They strode swiftly toward the Reincarnation Center at the north end of the civic complex.

    All of the most important buildings in Hell were linked by subterranean tunnels, much like those at Disney World. Only those privileged enough to work in one of Satan’s official ministries were afforded the privilege of walking and working in air-conditioned comfort. Most of the condemned souls on this, the highest level of Hell, were consigned to spend their eternal damnation in the constant 120-degree heat of the barren wasteland. (The only seasonal variation was the humidity level – in summer, like a steam room; in winter, like a sauna.)

    New arrivals slept in the dust and dirt. After a year or so, most people were assigned a cot in an open tent; after five years, a bunk in a military-style barracks. After several years in Hell, those who had achieved a reasonable degree of success were allowed to live in dormitories about the size of cruise-ship cabins with one or two roommates.

    Only souls at the 80th percentile of Satan’s favor dwelled in private one-room apartments with their own bath and toilet facilities. Those at the 90th percentile were assigned two-room suites equipped with ceiling fans. Those at about the 95th percentile enjoyed the use of full-fledged air-conditioners and refrigerators. Only those at the 98th percentile or above could boast of freezers in their kitchens.

    This was why Maury, despite his deep-seated misgivings, had accepted the assignment. After his arrival in Hell, it had taken him over a decade to get an apartment, and another decade to graduate to a suite with a window in the living room and a ceiling fan in the bedroom. Under normal circumstances, he could expect to wait another twenty years to get to the air-conditioner/refrigerator level, and another thirty after that for a freezer. Satan’s offer of an immediate upgrade past the air-conditioner level to the *freezer* echelon was unprecedented.

    “You know, I asked the doctor to make you taller, but he said it would be too much work,” Rolf said as they approached the RC.

    “Yes, it’s a nasty procedure,” Maury said. “They saw your legs in half and jam metal rods into the bones. It would take six months to recover and I would only gain about five inches at most.”

    “Sven was 6’3″,” Rolf said. “I wonder if it would be possible for someone to grow a full foot.”

    “Drop it,” Maury said sharply.

    “I’m just wondering out loud…”

    “I said, *Drop it*.”

    “Geez, you Jews really are touchy,” Rolf muttered.

    “And you goys really are stupid. I’m not Sven. Just because I have his face doesn’t mean that I’m your wet-dream come to life.”

    They were just outside the entrance to the Reincarnation Center. Rolf stopped suddenly in the middle of the corridor and grabbed Maury with his big bear paws. He clinched Maury’s shoulders so tightly that the diminutive lawyer thought the bones might snap.

    “Let go of me!” Maury cried.

    “Maury…”

    Rolf’s chest heaved. For a second, Maury thought that he was about to break into tears. Finally he began speaking, in as soft a voice as he’d ever used.

    “…you look at me, and you see some big dumb Nazi with s**t for brains and a gaping hole where his soul should be. But I have *feelings*, Maury. You can *hurt* me. You can hurt me *badly*. And I can return the favor. Do you understand?”

    Maury smirked.

    “Of course I know that, Rolf. But knowing and caring are two different things. I don’t like you, and I probably never will. I don’t mind hurting you. I want to hurt you. I want to go on hurting you for as long as I know you. My goal is to destroy you. I think it would be quite fun to break you down.”

    Rolf closed his eyes. His lips quivered. He was definitely on the verge of bawling like a baby. But he regained his composure quickly.

    “Maury, you … you are a cruel little man. You look so much like Sven that I’m tempted to delude myself into believing that you have some of his kindness and gentleness inside of you. But you don’t. So I’m going to stop hoping that you open up to me. Remind me never to be honest with you again.”

    Maury grinned, this time with genuine joy. His tiny little left hand patted Rolf’s big right bear paw with an almost paternal affection.

    “There may be some hope for you yet, you big dumb Nazi. At least you’re starting to get a clue.”

    “You feed on my pain, don’t you?” Rolf asked.

    “Pain is the mother’s milk of the underworld,” Maury said. “People say that Satan is a tyrant, but in the end all of his commandments boil down to one basic rule. ‘Thou shalt suffer, and thou shalt make others suffer.’ That philosophy underlies everything.”

    Now it was Rolf’s turn to smile.

    “Then let me tell you this: I like you, Maury, and not just in the gay sense. I like you because you don’t take any shit from anyone, not even from Satan, not even from me. I admire that quality in a man, even if he is just a runt. And you know that I like you. I think part of you is happy that I like you. I think part of you might even want to like me back. And by treating me like shit, you are denying yourself the pleasure of having a companion who truly cares about you, who truly wants to be there for you. So I can make you suffer by reminding you that you are closing yourself off from someone who might be a truly awesome friend. Even if he is just a big dumb Nazi who ordinarily wouldn’t have any use for a smarmy little Jew like you.”

    Maury’s grin softened a bit. A bit of gauze came into his expression. He looked up thoughtfully at the big dumb Nazi staring down at him. Then he sighed wistfully, and nodded knowingly.

    “Welcome to Hell, kid,” he said, and walked through the automatic doors into the RC.

    Within seconds, Rolf had followed him inside. Silently, the Jew and the Nazi marched together toward their unknown destiny.

  277. @Reg Cæsar
    @gandydancer


    But it takes an idiot like Tre to assert than any random Gordon is a (((Gordon))).

     

    Perhaps he descends from the Vilna Gaon? Vilnius isn't that far from Grodno either.

    https://www.jewishhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/Vilna-Gaon-207x300.jpg

    Replies: @gandydancer

    Perhaps he descends from the Vilna Gaon?

    Perhaps he knocked up your great-great-great-grandmother, but if I write (((Reg Cæsar))) on no better basis than that baseless supposition I’d be marking myself as just as much a lunatic as Tre. But, if you want to express your solidarity with that kind of thinking, go ahead.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @gandydancer

    That was a joke. The possibility of a New Netherlands ancestress with her own possibility of a Sephardic grandparent in the old country hardly qualifies me for parentheses, let alone aliyah.

    Replies: @gandydancer

  278. @anon
    @gandydancer

    As I said, or at least implied, her focus on Taliban-admirers as opposed to the merely globo-homo repulsed (a much larger group) is unwarranted, but there is not the slightest indication that she needs instruction from you that men are not just defective women.

    Since she's a privileged writer for the Grauniad there's zero chance she would take any instruction from a mere deplorable. But I'm sure she's relieved to know there's some guy on the Internet standing up for her cognitive powers, minimal though they are.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    Since she’s a privileged writer for the Grauniad there’s zero chance she would take any instruction from a mere deplorable. But I’m sure she’s relieved to know there’s some guy on the Internet standing up for her cognitive powers, minimal though they are.

    Since you quote my disagreement with her your take is quite strange. I am quite clearly not standing up for her cognitive powers, but deriding yours.

    She got a payday from The Guardian seemingly based on an elevator pitch that featured Deplorables as pro=Taliban morons, and I will not thank her for that. But, as I’ve said repeatedly, you’re something even worse.

  279. @epebble
    @gandydancer

    If you have any references that model a scenario of Hyperinflation in U.S. with negative real wage growth, I would like to read that.

    The only meaningful Hyperinflation in U.S. History was during the Civil War. The inflation during Revolutionary war is not meaningful from today's perspective since there was no understanding of paper money at the time.

    https://inflationdata.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2005/01/Confederate-Inflation.jpg

    Replies: @gandydancer

    I don’t need a “model”. No exalted understanding of economics is required to understand that printing money in unlimited quantities will destroy its value. I’m not sure why you think Confederate scrip is a counterexample or why some supposed greater “understanding of paper money” is imagined to have eliminated the significance of the Revolutionary experience. Neither is true. Zimbabwe and post-WWI Germany are also relevant. Reality is what doesn’t change when you stop believing in it. Fiat money doesn’t have that quality.

  280. When the most salient attributes of a society can be characterized as feminine, then it is also an indicator that the society has run its course and is beginning its decline.

    There does not exist on the historical timeline a single cohesive national or cultural entity that rose to power, prominence and respect or even sustained its own existence for any meaningful length of time as a matriarchy.

    Principals of light and ascent are all masculine in nature and are now devastatingly absent from the national character. Arguably, the impending collapse and dissolution of the US can be predicted on this influence vector alone.

    Take just the concept of inclusion. In light of current events, it is merely a more formal way of saying that the US is figuratively lifting its skirts for anyone and anything, i.e. physically and ideologically, no matter the consequnces.

    And given the hysterical zeal with which this is all transpiring, the US is acting just like an aging whore desperate for any last validation of her faded beauty.

    Good riddance.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Andreas

    Andreas, novelist Oliver Lange had this to say in his 1971 Vandenberg:

    "... the deeper shock, then, was not that we lost, but that we lost with such ease, with an effortlessness that approached divine imperturbability."

    "In terms of image, the world was presented with the Statue of Liberty, not as an inviolate emblem but as a vacuously grinning old whore, who after a token assault was debauched and then docilely rolled in the hay."

    "We proved the lie, were served up with a gagging portion of our own vintage distillation of apocalyptic horseshit - all the narcissistic swill about indomitable spirit, invincibility, courage and nobility of purpose - and demonstrated once and for all to those who looked on with interest
    a fact long suspected: that this nation, through a self-administered indoctrination of spurious righteousness, larded with the false rewards of superfluous luxury, had at last achieved the most tractable, malleable - let's face it, spineless - people to walk the face of the earth."

  281. @Stan d Mute
    @40 Lashes Less One


    forced him into retirement at MSNBC for essentially telling one of the female commentators she was pretty
     
    When has it EVER paid off for a beta male to compliment a female?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I bet Matthews didn’t think of himself as a beta.

  282. @40 Lashes Less One
    @Stan Adams

    That's him. They forced him into retirement at MSNBC for essentially telling one of the female commentators she was pretty

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @J.Ross

    >masturbate on a phone call to a female coworker
    This is journalism.
    >masturbate during a videoconference with female coworkers
    This is journalism.
    >get caught repeatedly and outrageously lying
    This is journalism.
    >get caught plagiarizing
    This is journalism.
    >tell a girl she’s pretty
    This is not journalism.
    I guess they’re right, except that nothing else in mainstream joirnalism is journalism.

  283. @Steve Sailer
    @al gore rhythms

    TV dramas have gotten more soap opera-ish over the years. Even "House MD," which had a great gimmick (Sherlock Holmes as the world's best diagnostician), tended to get into who is sleeping with whom over the years. So, Quality Television is more appealing than old-fashioned cheap soap operas now that they deliver much the same content.

    It may have something to do with the growth of plot arcs rather than shows that reset with each new episode (e.g., The Simpsons never change no matter how many wacky adventures Homer has, which he only vaguely recalls).

    Replies: @S Johnson, @JohnnyWalker123

    The Simpsons stopped being funny back in 2002.

  284. @rebel yell
    We need to introduce "toxic femininity" as a concept in the national dialogue.
    Every female virtue has its corresponding vice that is toxic.
    Women are conformist (the bad side of being cooperative) - this is evident in cancel culture.
    As conformists they undervalue debate, dissent, and rational thinking.
    Women tend toward blame, resentment, and scolding.
    Women prefer poison to guns when committing murder, including the plotting and sneakiness that go with poisoning.
    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news. It can also be quite bad, keeping the emphasis on character assassination instead of discussing issues.
    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos. In politics this means microaggressions and hair issues take on outsized importance.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Intelligent Dasein, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous Jew, @Ian M., @Ian M.

    Well stated. Haidt has discussed the problem with female bullying via character attacks, though his focus has been on teenage girls and social media. There’s an obvious connection to societal trends at large.

    In the Current Year we definitely have a greater problem with toxic femininity than toxic masculinity. There’s not even much, if any, cultural masculinity left to steer society. Maybe in Victorian times. But the Great Awokening is clearly feminine in nature. It’s driven and enforced via feminine traits such as conformity, ostracism and pathological altruism.

    Pathological altruism my be the key overlooked feminine trait driving the current nonsense. It’s rooted in our ‘care’ instinct, which is clearly feminine. All of these traits exist in both sexes and by extension society at large but need balance because they have the potential to drive cultural trends in ways that can be destructive. Both men and women can be violent, just as both men and women can care for small children. But it’s also obvious that physical violence is clearly masculine while caring/nurturing is clearly feminine.

    You don’t want an overly militaristic or punitive society (toxic masculinity). But you also don’t want any overly ‘caring/nurturing’ society where we shut down the economy because we’re scared of a virus that has an infection fatality rate of less than 1%; where we don’t have the political will to turn away migrants hostile and dangerous to our civilization; where we allow mentally ill homeless people to take over public parks (LA, Seattle, SF et al); where we don’t prosecute criminals. In sum, we do not want a society governed by ‘feels’ which is the defining and most dangerous aspect of toxic femininity.

    • Agree: rebel yell, Jim Don Bob
    • Thanks: Jim Christian
  285. @gandydancer
    @Reg Cæsar


    Perhaps he descends from the Vilna Gaon?
     
    Perhaps he knocked up your great-great-great-grandmother, but if I write (((Reg Cæsar))) on no better basis than that baseless supposition I'd be marking myself as just as much a lunatic as Tre. But, if you want to express your solidarity with that kind of thinking, go ahead.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That was a joke. The possibility of a New Netherlands ancestress with her own possibility of a Sephardic grandparent in the old country hardly qualifies me for parentheses, let alone aliyah.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Reg Cæsar


    The possibility of a New Netherlands ancestress with her own possibility of a Sephardic grandparent in the old country hardly qualifies me for parentheses...
     
    Isn't that exactly what I said?

    ...if I write (((Reg Cæsar))) on no better basis than that baseless supposition I’d be marking myself as just as much a lunatic as Tre.
     
    Make jokes all you want, but not as an evasion of the question of whether setting off Tre's Jewdar is an equally derisory justification for "(((Gordon)))".
  286. @Andreas
    When the most salient attributes of a society can be characterized as feminine, then it is also an indicator that the society has run its course and is beginning its decline.

    There does not exist on the historical timeline a single cohesive national or cultural entity that rose to power, prominence and respect or even sustained its own existence for any meaningful length of time as a matriarchy.

    Principals of light and ascent are all masculine in nature and are now devastatingly absent from the national character. Arguably, the impending collapse and dissolution of the US can be predicted on this influence vector alone.

    Take just the concept of inclusion. In light of current events, it is merely a more formal way of saying that the US is figuratively lifting its skirts for anyone and anything, i.e. physically and ideologically, no matter the consequnces.

    And given the hysterical zeal with which this is all transpiring, the US is acting just like an aging whore desperate for any last validation of her faded beauty.

    Good riddance.

    Replies: @JackOH

    Andreas, novelist Oliver Lange had this to say in his 1971 Vandenberg:

    “… the deeper shock, then, was not that we lost, but that we lost with such ease, with an effortlessness that approached divine imperturbability.”

    “In terms of image, the world was presented with the Statue of Liberty, not as an inviolate emblem but as a vacuously grinning old whore, who after a token assault was debauched and then docilely rolled in the hay.”

    “We proved the lie, were served up with a gagging portion of our own vintage distillation of apocalyptic horseshit – all the narcissistic swill about indomitable spirit, invincibility, courage and nobility of purpose – and demonstrated once and for all to those who looked on with interest
    a fact long suspected: that this nation, through a self-administered indoctrination of spurious righteousness, larded with the false rewards of superfluous luxury, had at last achieved the most tractable, malleable – let’s face it, spineless – people to walk the face of the earth.”

  287. @Expletive Deleted

    This practice obviously faded away at some point — likely it ended with the Victorians?
     
    Georgie Best was sued by a dolly bird for this crime (an actual crime at the time) in 1969. It was done away with the very next year. He never looked back.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    The first step to decriminalise homosexuality in the UK was taken on July 27, 1967 when the Sexual Offences Act 1967 legalised private acts between men aged over 21.

    I feel ya bro.
    Life is tough, out here among us normies. If Bestie had been a poof, he’d ‘a ‘bin roared to the rafters.
    Legally. Like two years later.
    But of course, he couldn’t help his “sexuality”. Probly the hormones, or what?
    O what’s that? he was just .. a Man? Well f that.

  288. @Intelligent Dasein
    @rebel yell


    I would be interested in any further insight you have or better words to describe this business of crocodile tears or fake suffering.
     
    Sure, I would be happy to help. The subject is a rather important one, as I will attempt to show later. It seems you have a few different thoughts and concepts mixed together in your mind, so lets start with some explanations and definitions.

    This subject interests me, since I think the Greeks were on to something in contrasting bathos with pathos.
     
    The Greeks never contrasted bathos with pathos; the word "bathos" was not used in a literary sense until it appeared in an essay by Alexander Pope in 1727. I believe you may be thinking instead of the three modes of persuasion, viz. ethos, pathos, and logos. The point is worthy of some attention.

    Ethos: Refers to ethics, character, action, i.e. the habits conducive to virtue. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion, ethos means an appeal to authority, to the high standing, dignity, and experience of the person making the claim. In the dramatic/tragic sense, ethos refers to the character of the hero as he meets his fate, hopefully without falling into fear and vice. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, i.e. ethics as right action in conformity with the laws of the universe.

    Pathos: Means "that which happens to one." It is not limited to what we call "suffering," although it does include it. In the Greek drama, some twist of fate or circumstance besets the hero like a calamity, and this sets the stage for his response, which is supposed to induce a state of catharsis in the audience. What ever happens to you, for good or ill, is your pathos, your "passion" (from whence we derive the Passion of the Christ, passion plays, etc.). The opposite of pathos is not "bathos" but act, i.e. one's own proper power of existence expressed as ethos. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion, pathos means an emotional appeal to the listener. In the dramatic/tragic sense, it refers to the twists of fate that befall the hero undeservedly. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, i.e. pathos as the recognition that man is neither perfect nor omnipotent nor immortal and therefore must carry out his existence amidst ambiguous situations that seem to contradict and nullify him.

    Logos: Refers to the cognizable structure and order of reality, which is one and the same thing both in the world and in the mind. The logos is the Divine Word which makes, out of the chaotic archae, a universe of form and meaning. The Greeks knew it as a power above the gods of Olympus, and it was identified as early as the St. John Gospel with Jesus Christ, the second person of the trinity who is himself the word of God. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion it refers to arguments using facts and reason concerning things that can be demonstrated. In the dramatic/tragic sense it means the order by which the drama unfolds toward catharsis. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, viz. the transcendent rational ground of reality.

    Let's pause here a moment to visit the subject of "crocodile tears."

    I always thought bathos meant false or inauthentic suffering, as compared to pathos, true suffering. Bathos would be crocodile tears and soap opera.
     
    This isn't quite correct. "Crocodile tears" does not mean merely false or inauthentic suffering. There are many ways of being false and inauthentic, most of which are not comprised in its definition. "Crocodile tears" refers specifically to a ruse, to a malicious deception and act of hypocrisy by which someone affects to feel sympathy with the sufferings of another but really wants only to exploit them. An example would be Bill Clinton's famous line, "I feel your pain." Phariseeism, tubthumping, and virtue signaling are more cognate with "crocodile tears" than is melodrama or what you've called "soap opera."

    Melodrama means only a simple drama, i.e. one in which none of the characters undergo any change of state. Saturday morning cartoons are the perfect example of melodrama: Batman is always the good guy, Joker is always the bad guy, and we don't see any of their internal contradictions or ambiguities. This, again, is something different from sentimentality or mawkishness, although the two are often found together. Sentimentality, i.e. an overweening or excessive appeal to emotion, need not be "inauthentic or false," except in the sense that anything out of proportion must have something unreal at the bottom of it. Sentimentality is not so much insincerity as it is immaturity, childishness, womanishness, foolishness, and silliness. It only becomes insincere when it is affected by somebody who knows better (enter here the critiques of Friedrich Nietzsche).

    But none of this has anything to do with bathos, to which we now turn.

    Bathos: Means the breaking of dramatic tension by an abrupt descent into absurdity. It is the "descent" which is emphasized here and it is from this quality that the word draws its meaning (bathos is the Greek word for "deep," as in the depths of the sea, the abyss). It is, in essence, an ironic revelation that makes a farce out of everything that preceded it.

    If I wanted to present to a beginner the perfect example of bathos in cinema, I could do no better than to point to the ending of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. This is the bathetic belly flop par excellence: The final battle for the grail---which, in the original Arthur legends would have been a matter of world-transcending significance---ends, not with victory or defeat, but with the combatants being broken up by police and hauled off in paddy wagons. By concluding thus, the implication is that the grand tragedy we thought we were seeing up until the very last moment, was really just a farce all along and that all the characters were insane. They were not knights in 12th century England but lunatics in the modern world.

    My interest in this subject derives from this very important observation: Is this not the very world we are living in today? Is not the bathetic belly flop the actual fate of the tragic sufferer in the modern world? Would not anyone of high chivalric feeling, or deep religious feeling, or a lofty sense of destiny, be likely to meet his end, not in a consuming battle with gods and monsters, but a farcical run-in with dull police officers and dimwitted psychiatrists?

    Since the modern world has no understanding of greatness and no place for it, it forces the bathetic end upon all true heroes. This is the situation that needs to be combatted. The modern hero faces what is perhaps the blackest and most hopeless battle of all: He must fight, not for his own greatness, but for the very existence of greatness itself. He has the grim task of fighting the Nothing, with nothing. The Nothing we fight against is the absence of any grand task or high standard or tragic fate in the world around us. All gods are dead and the world has become brittle and unreal. There is no traction, no impetus to even get going on an important mission. The nothing we fight with is the radical nullification of any sense of meaning or direction that such a world imposes upon the soul of the hero. Only the most pure and unsullied conscience can give birth once again to the gods and allow tragedy, once more, to exist.

    Our Hero's Journey takes place in the most absolute terms. We fight against the radical ending of all things.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Triteleia Laxa

    Wow.

    ID, since, obviously, you have a way with words, a talent for fantasy, and way too much time on your hands, I wish to hire you for a long-cherished project of mine: the writing of a historical novel/screenplay about the brothers Gracchi.

    I’m quite serious.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @vinteuil

    That's a very kind offer. I'm not sure how we would get in touch to discuss the details, though.

    Please let me think it over. In the meantime, you can always contact me on here by responding to any one of my comments.

  289. @martin_2
    @Anonymous

    Here's a list of unmissable TV programmes from the 1970's and late 1960's in the UK.

    The World at War
    Civilisation
    The Ascent of Man

    The Benny Hill Show
    Monty Python's Flying Circus
    Steptoe and Son
    Till Death Us Do Part
    Fawlty Towers
    Dad's Army

    The Wednesday Play
    Play for Today
    I Claudius
    The Naked Civil Servant
    Pennies From Heaven and other Plays by Dennis Potter

    What would be included in a list for the twenty first century? Love Island?

    Yet in those days white men dominated the industry, and there was no "diversity".

    A similar and even stronger argument can be made with respect to Pop Music.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa

    These are not all personal recommendations, but they more than surpass ‘The Benny Hill Show.”

    The Night Manager
    Top Gear
    Rome
    Band of Brothers
    The Office
    Peep Show
    Planet Earth
    The Crown
    The Thick of It
    Fleabag
    Louis Theroux
    Black Mirror
    The Bodyguard
    Killing Eve

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The whole of human existence can be summed up in twenty minutes of Benny Hill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF4klUP4i_s

  290. @Intelligent Dasein
    @rebel yell


    I would be interested in any further insight you have or better words to describe this business of crocodile tears or fake suffering.
     
    Sure, I would be happy to help. The subject is a rather important one, as I will attempt to show later. It seems you have a few different thoughts and concepts mixed together in your mind, so lets start with some explanations and definitions.

    This subject interests me, since I think the Greeks were on to something in contrasting bathos with pathos.
     
    The Greeks never contrasted bathos with pathos; the word "bathos" was not used in a literary sense until it appeared in an essay by Alexander Pope in 1727. I believe you may be thinking instead of the three modes of persuasion, viz. ethos, pathos, and logos. The point is worthy of some attention.

    Ethos: Refers to ethics, character, action, i.e. the habits conducive to virtue. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion, ethos means an appeal to authority, to the high standing, dignity, and experience of the person making the claim. In the dramatic/tragic sense, ethos refers to the character of the hero as he meets his fate, hopefully without falling into fear and vice. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, i.e. ethics as right action in conformity with the laws of the universe.

    Pathos: Means "that which happens to one." It is not limited to what we call "suffering," although it does include it. In the Greek drama, some twist of fate or circumstance besets the hero like a calamity, and this sets the stage for his response, which is supposed to induce a state of catharsis in the audience. What ever happens to you, for good or ill, is your pathos, your "passion" (from whence we derive the Passion of the Christ, passion plays, etc.). The opposite of pathos is not "bathos" but act, i.e. one's own proper power of existence expressed as ethos. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion, pathos means an emotional appeal to the listener. In the dramatic/tragic sense, it refers to the twists of fate that befall the hero undeservedly. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, i.e. pathos as the recognition that man is neither perfect nor omnipotent nor immortal and therefore must carry out his existence amidst ambiguous situations that seem to contradict and nullify him.

    Logos: Refers to the cognizable structure and order of reality, which is one and the same thing both in the world and in the mind. The logos is the Divine Word which makes, out of the chaotic archae, a universe of form and meaning. The Greeks knew it as a power above the gods of Olympus, and it was identified as early as the St. John Gospel with Jesus Christ, the second person of the trinity who is himself the word of God. As a mode of rhetoric or persuasion it refers to arguments using facts and reason concerning things that can be demonstrated. In the dramatic/tragic sense it means the order by which the drama unfolds toward catharsis. The dramatic sense leads up to the ultimate metaphysical sense of the word, viz. the transcendent rational ground of reality.

    Let's pause here a moment to visit the subject of "crocodile tears."

    I always thought bathos meant false or inauthentic suffering, as compared to pathos, true suffering. Bathos would be crocodile tears and soap opera.
     
    This isn't quite correct. "Crocodile tears" does not mean merely false or inauthentic suffering. There are many ways of being false and inauthentic, most of which are not comprised in its definition. "Crocodile tears" refers specifically to a ruse, to a malicious deception and act of hypocrisy by which someone affects to feel sympathy with the sufferings of another but really wants only to exploit them. An example would be Bill Clinton's famous line, "I feel your pain." Phariseeism, tubthumping, and virtue signaling are more cognate with "crocodile tears" than is melodrama or what you've called "soap opera."

    Melodrama means only a simple drama, i.e. one in which none of the characters undergo any change of state. Saturday morning cartoons are the perfect example of melodrama: Batman is always the good guy, Joker is always the bad guy, and we don't see any of their internal contradictions or ambiguities. This, again, is something different from sentimentality or mawkishness, although the two are often found together. Sentimentality, i.e. an overweening or excessive appeal to emotion, need not be "inauthentic or false," except in the sense that anything out of proportion must have something unreal at the bottom of it. Sentimentality is not so much insincerity as it is immaturity, childishness, womanishness, foolishness, and silliness. It only becomes insincere when it is affected by somebody who knows better (enter here the critiques of Friedrich Nietzsche).

    But none of this has anything to do with bathos, to which we now turn.

    Bathos: Means the breaking of dramatic tension by an abrupt descent into absurdity. It is the "descent" which is emphasized here and it is from this quality that the word draws its meaning (bathos is the Greek word for "deep," as in the depths of the sea, the abyss). It is, in essence, an ironic revelation that makes a farce out of everything that preceded it.

    If I wanted to present to a beginner the perfect example of bathos in cinema, I could do no better than to point to the ending of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. This is the bathetic belly flop par excellence: The final battle for the grail---which, in the original Arthur legends would have been a matter of world-transcending significance---ends, not with victory or defeat, but with the combatants being broken up by police and hauled off in paddy wagons. By concluding thus, the implication is that the grand tragedy we thought we were seeing up until the very last moment, was really just a farce all along and that all the characters were insane. They were not knights in 12th century England but lunatics in the modern world.

    My interest in this subject derives from this very important observation: Is this not the very world we are living in today? Is not the bathetic belly flop the actual fate of the tragic sufferer in the modern world? Would not anyone of high chivalric feeling, or deep religious feeling, or a lofty sense of destiny, be likely to meet his end, not in a consuming battle with gods and monsters, but a farcical run-in with dull police officers and dimwitted psychiatrists?

    Since the modern world has no understanding of greatness and no place for it, it forces the bathetic end upon all true heroes. This is the situation that needs to be combatted. The modern hero faces what is perhaps the blackest and most hopeless battle of all: He must fight, not for his own greatness, but for the very existence of greatness itself. He has the grim task of fighting the Nothing, with nothing. The Nothing we fight against is the absence of any grand task or high standard or tragic fate in the world around us. All gods are dead and the world has become brittle and unreal. There is no traction, no impetus to even get going on an important mission. The nothing we fight with is the radical nullification of any sense of meaning or direction that such a world imposes upon the soul of the hero. Only the most pure and unsullied conscience can give birth once again to the gods and allow tragedy, once more, to exist.

    Our Hero's Journey takes place in the most absolute terms. We fight against the radical ending of all things.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Triteleia Laxa

    Since the modern world has no understanding of greatness and no place for it, it forces the bathetic end upon all true heroes. This is the situation that needs to be combatted. The modern hero faces what is perhaps the blackest and most hopeless battle of all: He must fight, not for his own greatness, but for the very existence of greatness itself. He has the grim task of fighting the Nothing, with nothing. The Nothing we fight against is the absence of any grand task or high standard or tragic fate in the world around us. All gods are dead and the world has become brittle and unreal. There is no traction, no impetus to even get going on an important mission. The nothing we fight with is the radical nullification of any sense of meaning or direction that such a world imposes upon the soul of the hero. Only the most pure and unsullied conscience can give birth once again to the gods and allow tragedy, once more, to exist

    This is pretty good.

    What do you mean by “pure and unsullied conscience?” I associate a conscience with owning your issues as you truly see them, as opposed to shamefully hiding from them.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Triteleia Laxa


    What do you mean by “pure and unsullied conscience?”
     
    Here I mean someone who is capable of contemplating divine truth and remaining in contact with his own secret heart, his eternal self. Only such a person can consistently choose the good for its own sake when all fleshly incentives for doing so are taken away.
  291. @Altai
    @Altai

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    This incident from the George Floyd protests in Stockholm that seem to have been mostly attended by young girls between the ages of 17 and 23 is a visual summation of the great awokening.

    I think themes of inclusion and harmony and resolving conflict are a manifestation of and popular among teachers because they are basic maternal instincts for dealing with young children. But, if mapped over society as a whole tend to produce a situation where the host dominant group gets seen as a selfish child that won't share with devastating consequences.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Malcolm X-Lax

    That was vomit-inducing.

  292. @Reg Cæsar
    @gandydancer

    That was a joke. The possibility of a New Netherlands ancestress with her own possibility of a Sephardic grandparent in the old country hardly qualifies me for parentheses, let alone aliyah.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    The possibility of a New Netherlands ancestress with her own possibility of a Sephardic grandparent in the old country hardly qualifies me for parentheses…

    Isn’t that exactly what I said?

    …if I write (((Reg Cæsar))) on no better basis than that baseless supposition I’d be marking myself as just as much a lunatic as Tre.

    Make jokes all you want, but not as an evasion of the question of whether setting off Tre’s Jewdar is an equally derisory justification for “(((Gordon)))”.

  293. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Since the modern world has no understanding of greatness and no place for it, it forces the bathetic end upon all true heroes. This is the situation that needs to be combatted. The modern hero faces what is perhaps the blackest and most hopeless battle of all: He must fight, not for his own greatness, but for the very existence of greatness itself. He has the grim task of fighting the Nothing, with nothing. The Nothing we fight against is the absence of any grand task or high standard or tragic fate in the world around us. All gods are dead and the world has become brittle and unreal. There is no traction, no impetus to even get going on an important mission. The nothing we fight with is the radical nullification of any sense of meaning or direction that such a world imposes upon the soul of the hero. Only the most pure and unsullied conscience can give birth once again to the gods and allow tragedy, once more, to exist
     
    This is pretty good.

    What do you mean by "pure and unsullied conscience?" I associate a conscience with owning your issues as you truly see them, as opposed to shamefully hiding from them.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    What do you mean by “pure and unsullied conscience?”

    Here I mean someone who is capable of contemplating divine truth and remaining in contact with his own secret heart, his eternal self. Only such a person can consistently choose the good for its own sake when all fleshly incentives for doing so are taken away.

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
  294. @vinteuil
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Wow.

    ID, since, obviously, you have a way with words, a talent for fantasy, and way too much time on your hands, I wish to hire you for a long-cherished project of mine: the writing of a historical novel/screenplay about the brothers Gracchi.

    I'm quite serious.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    That’s a very kind offer. I’m not sure how we would get in touch to discuss the details, though.

    Please let me think it over. In the meantime, you can always contact me on here by responding to any one of my comments.

  295. You can contact me at stephanlburton*embarqmail.com.

    (Replace the asterisk with @).

    Of all the stories that have come down to us about the Roman Republic, the one that seems to me both the most exciting and the most relevant to the times we are living in is the story of the Gracchi. But they have been strangely neglected in the genre of historical fiction. All I can come up with are a couple of rather feeble plays written over a hundred years ago.

  296. @rebel yell
    We need to introduce "toxic femininity" as a concept in the national dialogue.
    Every female virtue has its corresponding vice that is toxic.
    Women are conformist (the bad side of being cooperative) - this is evident in cancel culture.
    As conformists they undervalue debate, dissent, and rational thinking.
    Women tend toward blame, resentment, and scolding.
    Women prefer poison to guns when committing murder, including the plotting and sneakiness that go with poisoning.
    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news. It can also be quite bad, keeping the emphasis on character assassination instead of discussing issues.
    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos. In politics this means microaggressions and hair issues take on outsized importance.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Intelligent Dasein, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous Jew, @Ian M., @Ian M.

    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news.

    Right, that just is what the news is: high-status gossip.

    So instead of our gossip being localized and regarded as a vice as it mostly was before the age of mass media, we’ve nationalized it and elevated it to a virtue: the news is something every man of good breeding is expected to to be fluent in. But gossip is still a sin even when it’s sophisticated and done by well-coiffed Harvard-educated journalists exuding their nauseating faux-gravitas.

  297. @rebel yell
    We need to introduce "toxic femininity" as a concept in the national dialogue.
    Every female virtue has its corresponding vice that is toxic.
    Women are conformist (the bad side of being cooperative) - this is evident in cancel culture.
    As conformists they undervalue debate, dissent, and rational thinking.
    Women tend toward blame, resentment, and scolding.
    Women prefer poison to guns when committing murder, including the plotting and sneakiness that go with poisoning.
    Women gossip. In olden times this was a useful vehicle for spreading news. It can also be quite bad, keeping the emphasis on character assassination instead of discussing issues.
    Women tend toward romantic fantasies and melodrama -bathos instead of pathos. In politics this means microaggressions and hair issues take on outsized importance.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Intelligent Dasein, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous Jew, @Ian M., @Ian M.

    Conformism is generally a good thing: societies couldn’t function without it. In healthy societies, women conform to traditional community mores and play an indispensable role in maintaining community norms. (In many past societies, before liberalism’s triumph was complete and Western societies were either governed by a more traditional ethos or where a traditional ethos still maintained a foothold, women often tended to be more politically conservative than men).

    It becomes bad when society is ruled by a perverse, anti-human ideology, such as ours is. Then women conform to and uphold anti-human society-destroying norms.

    Re: ‘toxic femininity’. Femininity is a good thing when it’s found in women, just as masculinity is a good thing when found in men. I think giving it a negative connotation as in the phrase ‘toxic femininity’ will only serve to destroy whatever remaining femininity there exists in modern women, just as masculinity has been all but eradicated in modern man.

  298. @Triteleia Laxa
    @martin_2

    These are not all personal recommendations, but they more than surpass 'The Benny Hill Show."

    The Night Manager
    Top Gear
    Rome
    Band of Brothers
    The Office
    Peep Show
    Planet Earth
    The Crown
    The Thick of It
    Fleabag
    Louis Theroux
    Black Mirror
    The Bodyguard
    Killing Eve

    Replies: @martin_2

    The whole of human existence can be summed up in twenty minutes of Benny Hill.

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