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A request from Charles Murray:

By the way, why have Frequently Asked Question lists, a sensation on the pre-web browser UseNet era Internet of the early 1990s, largely faded from interest? It seems like the dialogue format, which was used by people like Plato and Galileo, goes in and out of fashion.

I did FAQs on race and IQ back in 2007.

 
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  1. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m only interested in things that happened within the last 72 hours. No listicles, NO FAQs.

  2. Cortes says:

    Wasn’t Socrates the original asker of FAQs?

    Asking for a friend…

  3. I can get the biology of gender and the biology of race–

    (actually, I could understand the biology of sex, but biology of gender seems like an oxymoron, since gender is by definition more of social construct)

    — but anyway, I’m surprised by the idea of a biology of class. I suppose there could be a small biological difference between aristocracy and the plebes, or between various castes, but it’s a surprising idea to me.

    But, honestly, my first thought on seeing that title was, are you really trying to be more canceled than you already are?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @bomag
    , @MBlanc46
  4. The quintessential modern genre of dialogue is the tweetstorm, which combines the obnoxiousness and condescension of an open letter with the pretentiousness of a “freestyle” rap that everybody knows you actually wrote in advance. It climaxes at that glorious moment when your sockpuppet alternate account requests a threadreaderapp unroll, which tells the world that what you just wrote wasn’t an inconveniently formatted blog post, no, it was an event.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  5. To Be Or Not To Be, that is the FAQ.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @Jim Don Bob
  6. iffen says:

    If it is factual that there are race, gender and class differences, and these differences are immutable, why is it necessary to keep harping on the subject?

    Asking for me …

    A search for “The Truth”? Shirley you jest.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  7. @WowJustWow

    Somehow this makes me glad I don’t use Twitter.

  8. Would it be reasonable to tax IQ like cars: Slow car low tax fast car higher tax?

    What difference does it make to know that people in certain regions are above/below average IQ wise – do we have historical examples? 

    Are high-IQ regions necessarily happier than others?

    What should a society do about people, who’s IQ is too low to earn enough money to do well?

    Is it a good idea to support people with higher IQs to have kids?

    Class isn’t something biological: Is this statement right or wrong?

    To know about IQ means to produce envy – right or wrong?

    If societies ignore IQ, high IQ people have an advantage – right or wrong?

    Why measure something in the lab, that shows itself by its real-life consequences?
     
    Isn’t it impolite to talk about IQ?

    What disadvantages have high IQs?

    Why is there a regression to the mean? Does this indicate that biology is not too interested in progress?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Anonymous
    , @nymom
  9. Q: Only a racist sexist bigot homophobe would say there is a difference in ability and performance. Why are you so hateful?

    Q: Only a racist sexist bigot homophobe would say there is a difference in ability and performance. Why are you allowed to speak?

    Q: Only a racist sexist bigot homophobe would say there is a difference in ability and performance. Why aren’t you in prison?

  10. Hail says: • Website

    FAQ Q. Does this book dispute the axiom found in the US Constitution that Diversity is Our Greatest Strength?

    • LOL: bigdicknick
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  11. nymom says:

    Somewhat off topic:

    What does it say about the IQ of Canadians who just recently voted in Justin Trudeau for another four years…

    I mean was it voter fraud, media manipulation or what???? I am just afraid that its significant in some way that is not clear to us yet; because Canada (which I previously considered to be a completely sensible country) seems to be turning into another potential Sweden on our borders…I’d hate to have to think that in another decade or so we are going to have to be either building a wall to keep out their imported terrorists; or, worse yet have to invade our northern neighbors at some point…

    I just don’t know what to think anymore.

    • Replies: @Hail
  12. Peter Frost says: • Website

    This FAQ would come from certain evolutionary psychologists:

    Question: Why tackle the thorny issue of human differences? Why not assume we all share the same biological nature and simply show how biology influences human behavior? Once that work is done and out of the way we’ll be in a better position to discuss differences of gender, race, and class.

  13. Q. How many friends do you expect to lose over this book?

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  14. Altai says:

    OT:

    Kathleen Jamie: ‘Nature writing has been colonised by white men’
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/oct/17/kathleen-jamie-surfacing-interview-nature-writing-colonised-by-white-men

    Kathleen Jamie recently spent “valuable minutes” of her life totting up all the books and authors who have been shortlisted for the prestigious Wainwright prize for British nature and travel writing. The tally is 26 books by men and 14 by women. For winners, the ratio is five men to one woman.

    Jamie – a poet whose genre-stretching first book of essays, 2005’s Findings, was a much-praised widening of the growing field of nature writing – is aghast at the preponderance of male nature writers. “Only 15 years ago,” she says when I meet her in her home city of Edinburgh, “nature writing was barely there. It seems very strange that this thing that barely existed can suddenly ignite. I hate to say it, but it has been colonised – by middle-class white men. I’m interested in how that’s happened. And if you understand how that’s happened, you understand the whole godforsaken political state of this country.” The cafe table is being softly thumped.

    Somebody…make…it…stop…

    • Agree: bomag
  15. In Usenet days, the FAQ was created to keep people from asking the same questions over and over. Bandwidth was expensive, and posting answers once (even if occasionally refreshed) saved money and disc space. It was a cost reduction device.

    These days with web browsers, people asking the same questions over and over results in more clicks and more ad impressions. The lack of an FAQ collection results in increased revenue.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  16. @European-American

    actually, I could understand the biology of sex, but biology of gender seems like an oxymoron, since gender is by definition more of social construct

    Exactly. To be more exact, a linguistic construct.

    Nothing personal, but I see European-American as somewhat oxymoronic, too.

  17. RN says:

    A) The question has long been nature vs. nurture. Modern liberals push for equality and scream that we are all biologically equal, while also screaming DIVERSITY!!! and asserting that all cultures are equal (implying of equal value and potential for productivity and happiness and progress, etc), and therefore all patterns of differences in outcome must be the product of racism, sexism, class oppression, etc. How does this book address the question of nature/nurture/equality/diversity?

    B) How does this research compare with r/K selection theory from “The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics: How Conservatism and Liberalism Evolved Within Humans,” by Anonymous Conservative?

  18. Why do you hate black people?

  19. jb says:

    I’m not on Twitter, but here is my question: To what degree do folk classifications of and stereotypes about race and ethnicity match what we are learning through hard science?

  20. @Dieter Kief

    Would it be reasonable to tax IQ like cars: Slow car low tax fast car higher tax?

    Dude, we already do.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  21. @iffen

    ” I’m not jesting, and stop calling me Shirley “

  22. Just be careful about this, everybody. Dialogues, FAQs, didactic pop quizzes and the like, are quite easily adapted to propagandistic ends, all the more so because they purport to be scientifically objective results that the reader arrives at for himself. This is the basic process of “seminar,” and it has been a standard method of Leftist indoctrination for decades. Just think of those questionnaires you would see in women’s magazines, for example. Something like this could readily be used to blunt the edge of anything interesting Charles Murray might have to say on the subject. For instance, you could end up with pages full of stuff like this:

    Q: Are you saying that different races are intrinsically unequal in certain abilities?

    A: Not exactly. What we found was that people who self-identify as belonging to certain races tend to have a great many biological markers in common. Our research did not demonstrate causal connections between these markers and measured group performance in controversial categories such as IQ and criminal behavior.

    FAQs are tailor made for this sort of spin, and I’m not sure that Charles Murray would have even asked for questions if he didn’t intend to put just such a spin on the material, in order to make it acceptable to the demos. It is a variation on the resignation ploy, wherein a political leader, in his effort to get an initially unpopular measure passed, will offer to resign if the matter is not considered, citing the observation that he clearly no longer represents the will of the majority. But the majority, undesirous of the difficulties attendant upon a change of leadership, agrees to take up the measure with certain reservations, to which the leader concedes. This is one likely course of action Charles Murray could take if his real objective is to get his sensational book published in such a manner that will provide him with a gravy train of speaking engagements, interviews, and “clarifications” lasting for years. If, on the other hand, he was not playing the politician and his main objective was to drop a truth bomb and let the chips fall where they may, there would be no point in asking for FAQs.

    • Replies: @bomag
  23. njguy73 says:

    When did you stop lynching Black bodies?

  24. Hail says: • Website
    @nymom

    The Canadian electorate is now crammed full of immigrants, more ore less on the scale of California. Sad. Were migrants and their descendants decisive in re-electing Trudeau? Plausible. (IOW, no Trudeau re-election given an all-White electorate.)

    I’ve been writing a little about the Canadian election results in Anatoly Karlin’s Open Thread (comment-72 and replies); otherwise have not seen a peep on Canada’s election anywhere at Unz.

    Would love to hear Canadians’ views. (e.g., I believe anthropologist Peter Frost, who left a comment above, is Canadian.)

  25. @contriturated anon

    Bullshit expands to fill the bandwidth available.

  26. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    About one sixth of blacks really can compete with whites on their own merits. About a third are actually usefully employable at anything besides unskilled repetitive labor.

    Blacks were slowly making progress from the end of reconstruction to 1965, and after the Great Society, have long since regressed and are now worse off thn they were in 1865 in all probability, genetically speaking.

    There are several paths we can take but none are palatable to most people at this time.
    When you get cold, hungry and scared your palatability index changes. A lot.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  27. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    It was reported a few weeks ago that 57 of Canada’s 338 electoral districts (ridings) have a 40%+ “Visible Minority” population. It will be more still the next time.

    And this — the almost-totally de-Europeanized sections of Canada:

    Of these [57 ridings], there are [two?] Toronto-area electoral districts where visible minorities constitute more than 90 per cent of the population, and three more where they account for more than 80 per cent.

    The <20% White ridings in Toronto are:

    [MORE]

    Scarborough North (the least White; <8% White), Brampton East (9% White), Markham-Thornhill, Markham-Unionville, and Scarborough-Agincourt.

    ______________

    Results in Scarborough-North (Canada’s least-White riding), Oct. 2019:

    [Liberal] Shaun Chen – 20,605 votes (53.5%) — *Elected*
    [Conservative] David Kong – 11,746 votes (30.5%)
    [New Democratic] Yan Chen – 4,917 votes (12.8%)
    [Green] Avery Velez – 776 votes (2.0%)
    [People’s] Jude Guerrier – 366 votes (1.0%) [New Party]

    The new, right-wing People’s Party is viewed as a defacto, soft-ethnonationalist party, but their candidate in Scarborough-North, at least, is a Black immigrant whose campaign yard sign is in Chinese:

    ______________

    Results in Brampton-East (Canada’s second-least-White riding):

    [Liberal] Maninder Sidhu – 23,727 votes (47.4%) — *Elected*
    [New Democratic] Saranjit Singh – 13,077 votes (26.1 %)
    [Conservative] Ramona Singh – 12,045 votes (24.1%)
    [Green] Teresa Burgess-Ogilvie – 679 votes (1.4%)
    [People’s] Gaurav Walia – 239 votes (0.5%)

    ______________

    There are also 12 ridings in Ontario and British Columbia where visible minorities comprise between 70 per cent and 80 per cent of the population.

    (Blockquotes from Fifty-seven racially diverse ‘swing’ ridings ‘critical’ in election outcome, say MPs and political players,” By ABBAS RANA, Hill Times, Oct. 7, 2019.)

    ______________

    Which entity, as currently constituted, will be the first subject to border change scenarios (some form of secession or breakup): The USA or Canada?

  28. How many people are still out there who genuinely have an open mind about this? How many people that would ask good-faith questions?

    The idea of a FAQ is funny, as if there are all these (ahem) blank slates out there in the world just waiting to learn The Truth. Not how it works anymore boomer.

  29. Matra says:
    @Hail

    Immigrants and their offspring were crucial but Canada is also so regionally divided that it barely constitutes a country, so you have whites in different parts of the country voting Liberal (and in the past the NDP) for completely different reasons. The Maritimers who voted Liberal were virtually all white. Quebeckers did their own thing; outside multicultural Montreal they didn’t like any of the national party leaders this time so went for the officially separatist Bloc Quebecois. Non-diverse Ontario voted Tory while diverse Ontario voted Liberal. West of Ontario (not counting the sparsely populated northern territories) the Tories got slightly more than 50% compared to just 20% for the Liberals. If you take away vibrant Greater Vancouver the winning Liberals have very little presence in the West.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  30. Have you located the precise location in the brain where the Twerking Reflex is located, and is there any significant difference in its size among various population groups?

  31. vinteuil says:

    1. Why “gender” instead of “sex?”

    2. Do you disagree with, or have anything to add to, Steve Sailer’s views on these issues?

  32. bomag says:
    @European-American

    — but anyway, I’m surprised by the idea of a biology of class.

    Really? Animal and plant breeders zealously guard their seed stock; families zealously guard their bloodlines (or used to). The noted differences made the effort worthwhile.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  33. Tusk says:
    @Hail

    I am genuinely surprised he was reelected. I had assumed all the scandals would have done him in, that and how incompotent he appears to be. But, alas, I do not understand the nature of Canadian masochism.

    • Replies: @e
  34. @Hail

    perhaps canada since it contains multiple language groups. the us has places like new mexico, but I believe new mexico is too poor to want independence. What would they gain?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @RadicalCenter
  35. Pontius says:

    Does the implications of heritable IQ argue in favour of a guaranteed annual income considering the large and rapidly growing number of people who simply do not have the aptitude to support themselves in an increasingly complex society?

  36. FAQ question: What are the recent authoritative studies that report IQ broken-out by race?

  37. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @bigdicknick

    It’s difficult to make predictions, especially about the future. Even harder to do it ahead of time.

    But here are a few I am confident of:

    1) The geopolitical status quo in North America can’t last forever. I give it between 25 and 50, outside chance 60, years. So I probably won’t see it.

    2) The continental United States, Canada and Mexico will all be radically changed or eliminated as we know them today. Mexico, surprisingly, will likely be cartographically the least changed, but Baja California and the more backward southeasternly parts remaining under the same polity seems unlikely. The present United States and Canada will each be under at least four or five different polities, perhaps united vaguely in most cases by a CIS or British Commonwealth agreement of sorts to keep the power grid, railroad network, et al, functional out of necessity.

    3) Different nations or countries, as always, will be for different peoples, both de facto and de jure. One will have limited but not nonexistent agency in the matter. Open homosexuality, abortion (but not unlimited-there will be restrictions), use of recreational narcotics, even open nonmarital heterosexual copulation (open in the sense of admitting to it, not necessarily in public!), and gam(bl)ing will be permissible in some and streng verboten in others. Private ownership of some types of firearms, motor vehicle rules limiting modifying them, operation of older ones on the street, etc, operation of general aviation aircraft, exotic animals, lawn darts, you name it will be very differently regulated too. People for whom these things are important will go to or flee certain ones.

    Nonetheless there will also be involuntary restrictions for some people too-you can bet that members of certain racial, religious, ethnic or language groups will be highly discouraged or flat out forbidden in certain ones.

    Economic freedoms will also vary-some will be in effect “national socialist”, some Scandi-Minnesota style liberal, some almost Galt’s Gulch-ish.

    4) Some of this will be peaceful, some settled by short but decisive and severe acts of violence, and some may involve unpleasantness of longer and more general duration.

    5) More than anything else, the future will belong to those who show up for it, first and second those willing to do what has to be done to achieve goals. The more well defined and feasible the goals, the better chance they will succeed.

    The history books of 2300 AD will be interesting, though as always, the winners will write them.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @nymom
  38. @Reg Cæsar

    “a linguistic construct.”

    Indeed. In other words, fertile ground for mischief-making c/o Ivy-educated academics immersed in the “publish or perish” rat-race.

  39. Tusk says:
    @Pontius

    Good luck getting that approved without eugenics at the same time, and considering the distate for eugenics I doubt it.

  40. @Matra

    Speaking of taking away Greater Vancouver, Western Canadians and the denizens of the NW United States (east of the Cascades), Montana, Idaho, Wyoming and the Dakotas seem to have more in common than they have with the rest of their respective countries.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
    , @bomag
    , @Hail
  41. @Altai

    Ahh, there go those middle-aged white males again.

  42. Given the immense public anticipation for the arrival of your new book, has PBS offered you a weekly series to explore your findings and ideas, perhaps something in the style of Neil deGrasse Tyson’s NOVA scienceNOW?

  43. MBlanc46 says:
    @European-American

    Race, sex, and class are the Holy Trinity of identity grievance. Certainly, it is the poor step-child these days, and is largely elided with the other two, but it is a hobby horse still ridden by the Left. Mr Murray would have been remiss to have omitted it.

  44. MBlanc46 says:
    @International Jew

    Does Murray have any friends left to lose?

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian, bomag
  45. e says:
    @Tusk

    Their public education is as bad as ours. PC reigns.

    Like the US, what you have is ordinary, sane folks who live in rural areas or semi-rural areas v. the urban areas of Ontario and Quebec.

    The urbanites win.

    I think we need to show them both here and in Canada that we hate them. Really, really hate them.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  46. dr kill says:

    I can answer one question; a higher IQ does not lead to greater happiness, you can always imagine a better situation. Actually I can answer another one too. Envy is a class thing. If you are consumed with envy you have no class at all.

    • Replies: @jim jones
  47. Tusk says:
    @e

    Definitely a very precarious position considering the amont of Chinese and Indian immigrants absolutely dominating the urban core. I actually think Canada is worse off than America because it has less to bargain with to stem the tide.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
  48. Clyde says:
    @Altai

    Come on. You know she is cool. She used the phrase “colonised by white men”. In her photos she has that Martina Navratilova look.

  49. @Pontius

    Does the implications of heritable IQ argue in favour of a guaranteed annual income considering the large and rapidly growing number of people who simply do not have the aptitude to support themselves in an increasingly complex society?

    The US already has a guaranteed annual income for unemployables in urban areas. So does Europe. It is the only way that cities can keep up their populations.

    The end result has been riots, no-go zones, and public health hazards. Oh, yes, and some slight degree of resentment, higher suicide rates, and political resistance from people who are capable of earning a living in an industrial society, but whose jobs have been exported. Also much the same by professionals who have been deprived of their human rights in order to provide the “human right” of guaranteed annual income to those they are forced, by law, to provide services to.

    The basic problem is that industrial civilization, although productive, is not in practice productive enough to supply both the productive and the non-productive. A secondary problem is that the non-productive are still human, have the human desire for power, and tend to destroy the system that produces their guaranteed annual income.

    Which leaves the problem of what to do about the non-productive population. The current answer seems to be to let the non-productive kill the productive both directly through crime and indirectly through taxation, displacement, etc.. This seems unstable, even immoral.

    Long term? Can’t say more than that urban capital goods / infrastructure appears to be wearing out, and neither the US nor Europe has the resources to recapitalize.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Intelligent Dasein
  50. jim jones says:
    @dr kill

    I have a Leftist friend here in the UK. He hates rich people but he also hates Muslims. Having a chat with him is amusing because you can trigger any response you want just by mentioning the right topic.

  51. e says:

    I actually think Canada is worse off than America because it has less to bargain with to stem the tide.

    Yes, I do too because Canadians are by nature, I think, nicer than Americans, too nice, to my taste.

    I am angry. I know tens of millions of others are too.

  52. Emily Litella: What’s this I hear about Steve Sailer writing, “Think of the term, ‘Anglo-Saxon.’
    The Angles, Saxons and Jutes intermarried until they lost their separate identities. (The Jutes even lost their name.)”? Weren’t the Jutes just a bunch of no-account criminal congenital idiot moron retards?

    Chuckie McMurray: Just how did you get in here, young lady? – no matter; I’m sure you have as much intrinsic worth as a human being as do I. In answer to your question: You seemed to have confused them with the Jukes – a quite natural mistake for someone such as yourself. As it so happens, they’re one of my favorite extended families. Let me shoot a reference to your smart phone. BTW, never go full offensive by saying “retard.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jukes_family

    [MORE]

    EL: Oh, the *Jukes*! Reminds me of an old teevee joke about them getting automobile insurance – “The Jukes of Moral Hazard.” Geddit?

    CM: I’m afraid not; never watch television.

    EL: And weren’t the Jukes usually spoken about in the same breath as the Kulaks? I seem to remember they were a class or race of felonious feeble-minded dirt-bag farmers who got starved to death by the millions in a place called “Mordor” – from reading a book by Bobby Conquest – what was it? Oh yeah – “The Lord of the Rings.”

    CM: (sighs – whispers to Stiv Seylor – could you please call Security?) You seem to have made a dreadful mishmosh of Kulaks and Kallikaks [insert Oxford comma here?] and Mordor and Holodomor. And the name of the book is – if I may add an awful pun of my own here – “The Harvest of Soros.” That’s also a little timely Ukrainian humor – as is, “Quid pro quo, Clarice.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kallikak_Family

    EL: The name’s “Emily,” “Doctor.” You’re not a real doctor, are you? I’m not as dumb as I look and know that Georgie-Boy has had his finger in the Ukrainian pot – or rich peasant’s private plot – whatever -and that the phrase just means somethin’ like “Somethin’ for somethin’.” But jeez-louise; you’d think it could only mean something gawdawful terrible. Have you looked at the congress critters and talking heads on CNN lately? It’s like those whacked-out psychos in the remake of “The Mummy” – IM HO TEP, IM HO TEP IM HO TEP….
    QUID PRO QUO, QUID PRO QUO, QUID PRO QUO… But what about you, Steve-A-Reeno? Do you have a little sumthin’-sumthin’ for us? Mummified cat got you tongue?

    Stiv Seylor: Are you aware that “Kallikaks” was derived from combining the Greek word for “good” -Kallos – with the one for “bad” – Kakos – and that “Deborah Kallikak” was a pseudonym for Emma Wolverton?

    EL: You mean like?(sings):

    Beat that, Mr. Smarty-Pants!

    SS: Alright – I was about to add this from Wikipedia: ” In August 1977, NBC premiered a situation comedy called The Kallikaks,[8] which depicted the comic misadventures of an Appalachian family that moved to California and feuded with another family named the Jukes; the series lasted only five episodes. A June 8, ‘1987, cartoon in The New Yorker provided a further update to the concept, depicting “The Jukes and Kallikaks Today.’ ” I once roomed with a second cousin’s dentist of the producer of the series who tried to date my Mom and won the Nobel Chemistry Peace Prize for reinventing dynamite to benefit Swedish Muslims. “Would you like to know more?”

    EL: Never mind…citizenist.

  53. @Hail

    Most of the Canadian truckers I’ve dealt with the last year have had non-Canadian accents.

  54. @Hail

    Hmm, what % do you think is enough to swing the election? Ie how many ridings are let’s say 25% Minority which is the overall Canadian average. Even 10% tbh..

    https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/10/07/fifty-seven-swing-ridings-critical-in-election-outcome-say-mps-and-political-players/218377

    Mentions that these are primarily middle class voters with economic issues on their mind.

    Later on, that imigration is a top concern.
    woke supremacy meme is interesting because after 2014 immigrants in Canada changed..

    Even Harper seems to have fucked up his re-election with the old stock Canadian comment.
    Something instinctual changed in people. :shrug:

    Get fucked I guess, white boys.

    • Replies: @Hail
  55. @Tusk

    There’s also no electoral college to balance it all out and Quebec is pretty leftist.

    Pro Socialism, Pro Environment & Anti Gun as FK.
    Without Quebec Canadian history would be mostly Conservative
    Canada is not really masochist and they elected Trudeau with a minority gov with the lowest ever public vote %.
    Canadians tend to vote in either of the two big parties, Lib or Con for about a decade, then get tired and vote for the other.
    Even the Conservative party considered booting Trudeau a 2-election strategy.

    Immigrants went heavily conservative in the recent Ontario election so I expect/hope that the public will be tired of Trudeau next time around. There’s no guarantee his minority gov lasts the whole 4 years though.
    The damage will be done as he wants to ban handguns & semi-autos, I’m a single issue non-voter and no party represents my extremely economically Left (Anti-billioniare) and extremely right wing (gov issues ak47s to everyone) gun views.

  56. @Prester John

    Their collective population is what below 10 million and concentrated mostly North of the Border. Not gonna happen,

  57. bomag says:
    @Hail

    Interesting. Thanks.

    The Singhs in East Brampton could have joined forces and won the seat. Heh.

    The new, right-wing People’s Party is viewed as a defacto, soft-ethnonationalist party, but their candidate in Scarborough-North, at least, is a Black immigrant whose campaign yard sign is in Chinese

    Regarding Canada, it’s in an immigrant’s interest to come in and then shut the door; one can then enjoy living in an 80% white country that will continue to be relatively safe and clean; ethnic brethren can stay home and live with the stuff I came here to avoid.

    • Replies: @Hail
  58. bomag says:
    @Prester John

    One regional joke is that the Dakotas should be renamed Baja Saskatchewan.

  59. @kaganovitch

    I agree. – That’s just not obvious for most people (this is one reason, rhetorical questions work (= make sense at times).

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  60. bomag says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    FAQs… are quite easily adapted to propagandistic ends

    Such nuance is lost in today’s full throated battles between the deniers and the non-deniers.

    See comment #29 by Not My Economy.

  61. @Anonymous

    There are several paths we can take but none are palatable to most people at this time.
    When you get cold, hungry and scared your palatability index changes. A lot.

    One disadvantage of making the IQ and its discontents better known to a broader public is that there are no good solutions on the table for Detroit, let’s say.

    Thoughts like yours are quite grim, but not irrational. A true dilemma and one reason, why the majority might not want to have a look into this – hm – abyss. To let people know more about IQ is to hint at a number of serious big problems. This path of enlightening the public is no free ride. The ticket price is the social comfort that goes along with having illusions about serious problems. – You have to be courageous in order to think, Kant wrote. And he was quite right. So – Raise your glass to the hard THINKING people of the IQ-Pack – Steve Sailer, James Thompson, Charles Murray…Jordan Peterson, Steven Pinker, Linda Gottfredson, Stefan Molyneux… – – – and “say a prayer for the lowly of birth”.*****

    *****Rolling Stones / Salt of the Earth

  62. Between things like Axios’ “smart brevity longform” and other forms of pre-digested news that tell one why something is important, who needs to ask questions?

  63. Hail says: • Website
    @Prester John

    The country needs to split up.”
    — Ann Coulter, Oct. 22, 2019, speaking about the United States

  64. @bomag

    One regional joke is that the Dakotas should be renamed Baja Saskatchewan.

    That’s pretty good.

  65. @Hail

    the axiom found in the US Constitution that Diversity is Our Greatest Strength

    Diversity is Our Greatest Strength” is from the Bible, not the Constitution. Pretty sure Jesus said it, but he might’ve been quoting someone who actually existed (ZING!!).

  66. mikemikev says:

    A clear ancestry based definition of race is essential. I’m sure Murray covered this. The go-to eliminatve move is to disregard the “discredited ‘race sciences’” because of the usual elementary fallacies.

  67. Hail says: • Website
    @Gabru_Ak47

    Good questions.

    Does anyone publish exit polls in Canada by race, immigrant origin, religion, etc.? We are spoiled in the USA by having such large amounts of data of this kind, but it’s possible there may be some anti-racist law against such exit polling from on-high in Ottawa.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
  68. Hail says: • Website
    @bomag

    it’s in an immigrant’s interest to come in and then shut the door; one can then enjoy living in an 80% white country that will continue to be relatively safe and clean

    It does seem sonceptually sound, doesn’t it. Yet not too often observed in the wild.

    A popular Twitter figure of late, @Indian_Bronson, may be an example of a strong version of this. There have long been many Hindu iSteve readers of similar type.

    To bring it back to the Charles Murray FAQ,

    All people are equal but, as Human Diversity explores, all groups of people are not the same — a fascinating investigation of the genetics and neuroscience of human differences.

    How close to the Sun is Murray flying with this 2020 book? Will it mention varying levels of ethnocentrism by ethnic group (and will the much-feared, seldom-spoken “J-word” appear in that section)? (which would explain why immigrants vote for more immigrants instead of prudently and gently closing the door). Hajnal Line theory?

    • Replies: @bomag
  69. Who would stand a better chance of predicting the IQ of a randomly selected individual:

    (a) Someone who knew only the educational level of that individual

    (b) Someone who knew only the race of that individual

  70. bomag says:
    @Pontius

    … argue in favour of a guaranteed annual income

    We have that now, in large part.

    Various welfare/disability/etc payments are plenty generous at present.

    Plenty of jobs have perfunctory duties; are administrative make-work; etc.

    But always keep in mind Alan Greenspan’s warning:

    “We can guarantee an amount; we can’t guarantee buying power.”

  71. fnn says:
    @Altai

    “Only 15 years ago,” she says when I meet her in her home city of Edinburgh, “nature writing was barely there. It seems very strange that this thing that barely existed can suddenly ignite.

    Of course there’s a long tradition of British nature writing (e.g., the genre was satirized in Scoop), maybe it was in a rough patch 15 years ago. The work of the greatest English nature writer (Henry Williamson) was so loved for that even his outré Mosleyite politics failed to drive him into obscurity.

  72. bomag says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Generally agree, with a couple quibbles:

    The basic problem is that industrial civilization, although productive, is not in practice productive enough to supply both the productive and the non-productive.

    We’re supplying both quite well, but the productive at a much lower standard of living than they should have.

    A secondary problem is that the non-productive are still human, have the human desire for power, and tend to destroy the system that produces their guaranteed annual income.

    The non-productive do their share of damage while the productive do what they can to compensate; so the race is on as to whether the curve of civilization is up or down.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  73. bomag says:
    @Hail

    Will it mention varying levels of ethnocentrism by ethnic group …

    An important point. Some groups would rather have ethnic solidarity than nice things. Dingoes will eat the babies, even though more babies mean a larger pile of good pickings in the long run.

  74. nymom says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Actually they are practically adding an extra tax to high IQ individuals mostly Whites but now beginning to include Asians as well.

    All of these obstacles they are putting in the way of Whites/Asians getting into college now and/or getting government or corporate jobs. These are a form of tax because it slows down the progress of the high IQers while allowing more low IQers to get into college and/or get that government or corporate job. If they were on an even playing field, of course, every college and position would chose the high IQers and there would be scant pickings for the lower IQers.

    This is now being extended to elementary/secondary schools and housing as well. I eventually see it moving into private business. Similar to what they do in South Africa (and some other countries) where low IQers must be a proportional share of either hires or partners even in your own business.

    This will also get worse by the way, as we evolve into a country with more low IQers…

    Lastly, I think I just made up a word: IQer.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  75. nymom says:
    @Anonymous

    This is a very civilized version of what will be the future of North America as I don’t see these changes coming about peacefully…I believe best case scenario we will become like the former Yugoslavia broken up into mini statelets along racial or ethnic lines of some sort. Sadder but wiser regarding the mantra that “diversity is our strength”.

    Worse case we become like the middle east with never ending warfare along religious ethnic lines.

    In some sense the world might be better off if this happens as a nuclear USA with no Soviet Union to balance it might be seen by many as a threat not a stabilizing factor.

    Diluting the strength of the USA could be seen by many to be a good thing.

    We’ll see.

  76. AndrewR says:
    @bomag

    >guard

    Lol.

    Look at how poorly the most elite family on Earth has “guarded” its bloodline over the last few decades. Watch Prince George marry a transgender Bangladeshi woman.

  77. @Counterinsurgency

    Long term? Can’t say more than that urban capital goods / infrastructure appears to be wearing out, and neither the US nor Europe has the resources to recapitalize.

    Great comment overall, but particularly this part. This is the crux of the matter right here, in comparison to which everything else (including racial grievance politics, as infuriating as that is) is a sideshow.

    We cannot afford to do a Tobin’s Q on the whole developed world. Those resources simply do not exist. Things wear out and they will not be replaced. The human detritus of the world continues to crowd into the cities, presenting an illusion of growth even though the actual economic base is not expanding. Infrastructure is stretched to the limit. Globo-capitalism continues to inflate GDP and to open up new avenues for financialization, not by actually funding new industries and expansions, but by turning catabolic and liquidating the capital base (e.g. “sharing” services like Uber which simply monetize the downtime of already existing vehicles and create no new wealth while accelerating depreciation). Jobs are progressively split up and hashed into gigs. When a full-timer retires, his position is reverted and two temps are hired to take his place, who collectively make less than what he made and receive no benefits. Everything gets smaller, shoddier, cheaper, more crowded, less satisfying, and less autonomous.

    Outside of a few rare individuals such as James Howard Kunstler, I know of nobody who is even aware of this, let alone bothering to think through the implications of it all.

    The impossible mountains of debt that continue to pile up in the balance books of the world are proof positive that status quo is unsustainable and headed for catastrophe. If we have to go to ludicrous speed on the Keynesian pump-priming and pull trillions of dollars of consumption into the future every year just to maintain our sputtering jalopy of consumerism, then we have a problem. What pisses me off most of all are the jackasses who call for jubilees and who say things like “debt is a social construct,” as if the whole mess could be wiped away by hitting the reset button.

    Debt is not a social construct. Debt represents real consumption in the present of goods and services that have not yet been paid for with other production. In order to get back to even, those consumed goods and services will need to be replaced by more production. If that production is not forthcoming, then the debt will never be “paid” no matter what anybody does with the ledger. That wealth will simply not be there anymore. Say’s Law is the ultimate guarantor of economic justice. You cannot consume that which hasn’t been produced. The world has been consuming at a higher rate than it is producing for a good long time now, and this practice will have its inevitable consequences whether we like it or not.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  78. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Hail

    Would love to hear Canadians’ views. (e.g., I believe anthropologist Peter Frost, who left a comment above, is Canadian.)

    The election wasn’t a battle of ideas. The most talked about issue was that Justin Trudeau wore blackface on three different occasions some twenty to thirty years ago.

    The Conservative position? Trudeau committed an unpardonnable sin and is thus unfit for office, regardless of how many times he apologizes. He is an incurable racist.

    The Liberal position? Trudeau committed a pardonable sin, and his apologies should be accepted.

    It’s absurd to call Trudeau a racist. He has gone farther down the road of post-nationalism than any other Western leader, including Macron and Merkel. His blackface was a product of post-adolescent fantasizing, and nothing else.

    Trudeau is not winning the battle of ideas. But neither are the Conservatives (they have been a “no show” on that battlefield). He is nonetheless winning the demographic battle. This was evident on Monday night and at the previous election. Liberal support is overwelmingly concentrated in urban ridings with large immigrant communities. Yes, he does get support from white middle-class Canadians, but it’s really the immigrant vote that puts him over the top.

    His victory may turn out to be a pyrrhic one. His party actually came in second place, and its support is far too concentrated in the Greater Toronto Area, Vancouver, and Montreal. In addition, Quebec and Alberta are mentally preparing themselves for separation. Trudeau is not the sort of leader who can hold our country together. He’s not an effective speaker and has trouble talking in public without speaking notes. I fear for Canada’s future.

    • Replies: @Hail
  79. “His party actually came in second place”

    I meant the popular vote: 34.4% for the Conservatives versus 33.1% for the Liberals.

  80. @Dieter Kief

    I agree. – That’s just not obvious for most people (this is one reason, rhetorical questions work (= make sense at times).

    Indeed, sehr richtig.

  81. @Ancient Briton

    There is also the list of Frequently Unasked Questions – the FUQ.

    • LOL: sayless
  82. @Altai

    Isn’t there the prestigious Eat Pray Love Award for women’s travel writing?

  83. @Hail

    Not sure, the data is out there and parties do comb over it.

    Chinese voted conservative this time, Indians may do so again in line with the rest of Canada?

    I don’t see the point either way..

    Conservative Brian Mulroney started mass immigration in the 90s
    Conservative Kim Campbell started gun License

    Conservative Harper started the guest worker program

    Trudeau just went all in and now a fuck ton of college university campuses are full of international students.

    Trudeau and Liberals just do with confidence what Conservatives do under the table.

    I don’t give a fuck anymore and realize anyway that Indian/Chinese is the next white on the victim hierarchy when compared to black/Muslim.


    Canada doesn’t elect the PM directly and if they did..

    Singh had an approval rating almost higher than Sheer + Trudeau combined…

  84. 1) Suppose we could suddenly raise every human being to at least 100 IQ — or maybe raise everybody’s IQ by 30 points. How might this play out? Any potential unintended negatives?

    2) Female IQs reportedly are bunched more toward the norm than men’s. Is this an immutable predisposition or possibly subject to change given some societal changes?

  85. Pericles says:
    @Altai

    “Only 15 years ago,” she says when I meet her in her home city of Edinburgh, “nature writing was barely there. … [the field] has been colonised – by middle-class white men.

    We’re pale! We’re male! Get used to it!

  86. Hail says: • Website
    @Peter Frost

    In addition, Quebec and Alberta are mentally preparing themselves for separation.

    A VDare column by Kevin Michael Grace, re-published at the Unz Review today, calls for the dissolution of Canada. (“Canada Fragments—Is Alberta Secession Next?“). In it he says support for independence is now over 30% in Alberta.

    Some excerpts:

    [MORE]

    Justin Trudeau, a man of no known accomplishments except for being the son of Canada-wrecker Pierre Trudeau (Prime Minister from 1968 to 1984), surfed to power in 2015 on a wave on psychosexual hysteria among Canada’s elite, much as his father had done nearly fifty years earlier.

    Scheer is also a man of no known accomplishments…There was little difference between Scheer’s platform and Trudeau’s (with the exception of support for pipelines).

    Under a Scheer government, Canada would have prioritized the importation of “gay refugees” and Yazidis (Stone Age devil-worshippers from the Middle East).

    The NDP Leader, Jagmeet (pronounced Jug-MEET) Singh…is essentially a Third World colonist like Ilhan Omar….With his lurid turbans and ever-flashing bared teeth, Singh’s visage resembles that of a cartoon villain. Like most of the “model minority” elite in Canada, he rails against Canadian “racism” and has declared war on Canadian sovereignty

    Given that Justin Trudeau has apparently maintained power without single seat in either Alberta or Saskatchewan, and given how much the East despises the West, the temptation for Justin to hammer Alberta again will be irresistible.

    Even before this election, support for Alberta separation was at 30% or higher, and afterward the hashtag #Wexit was trending on Twitter

    make no mistake, without a breakup, our destiny is sealed.

  87. Q: If you believe IQ and other behaviors to have major biological components, do you also believe in acting on this belief through “eugenic” government policies? If you do not believe in “eugenic” policies, what is the benefit of a discussion about IQ? Should IQ play any role in policy discussions and how?

    Q: Can a society acknowledge group differences without being overwhelmed by bigotry? If groups are so different, can they live in harmony and how?

  88. @nymom

    Dark prospects.”IQer” is a good word, never saw it before – I’ll use it too, thanks.

  89. @bigdicknick

    The USA doesn’t have different language groups? I wish.

    There are TENS of millions of people living in the USA who speak mostly Spanish every day, many of whom cannot understand and speak English well, and cannot read or write English much at all.

    The days are long past when native Spanish speakers / limited-English-speakers were confined to NM and the southern parts of California, Arizona, and Texas near the Mexican border.

    There are more native Spanish speakers / limited-English-speakers in the City of Los Angeles alone than in the whole State of New Mexico. There are more native Spanish speakers / limited-English-speakers in LA County than the entire population of NM whatever their language. NM is demographically insignificant.

    Now consider several million native Spanish speakers / limited-English-speakers in the Miami metro area.

    Add in a couple million native Spanish speakers / limited-English-speakers in Chicago, not to mention the Cook County and other suburbs.

    Add a couple million native Spanish speakers / limited-English-speakers in NY City plus a couple million more in the NJ and yes CT suburbs (Hartford is full of such folks). The hour is getting late.,

    Add Spanish-speakers in numbers in all the crap small cities in NJ (Newark, Trenton, Atlantic City, especially Camden and Vineland).

    Even Kansas and Nebraska have several hundred thousand native Spanish speakers / limited-English-speakers each, and the number is growing. My wife lived in rural Kansas and saw ubiquitous signs in her small town IN SPANISH instructing people how to get taxpayer-funded stuff: “free” stroller and baby formula, “free”, food stamps / WIC, Head Start for their kids.

    We have a FAR higher percentage of people in the USA who are limited-English speakers than Canada has. As far as I know, Canada also has the advantage that there is no concentration of primary French speakers (limited in English or otherwise) west of Ottawa, Ontario.

    The USA has large concentrations of these alien non-English-speakers almost everywhere, as intended.

    • Replies: @athEIst
    , @bigdicknick
  90. athEIst says:
    @RadicalCenter

    You forgot the 10+ million who aren’t here YET from the place no one discusses anymore–Venezuela.

  91. @bomag

    The basic problem is that industrial civilization, although productive, is not in practice productive enough to supply both the productive and the non-productive.

    We’re supplying both quite well, but the productive at a much lower standard of living than they should have.

    Ok, here’s why I said it:
    Right now we’re diverting so much to consumption that we’re well past what the economists call the “production possibility frontier” (PPF) [1]. Our society has been skimping on maintenance, development of research results, and domestic investment of new industries since the early 1970s, when the US started importing more than it exported. Therefore, our capital plant is contracting, and the PPF is contracting right along with it. To date the West (the US in particular) has sold existing knowledge capital and new capital related knowledge to make up the difference, but this process is coming to an end. Should the SJW destroy science and engineering and medical faculties, as they have started to do, then the process will be over, and the West will be unable to maintain its current public service capital plant. Further, even people who want to and can be productive will not be, as the necessary capital equipment will be gone.

    A secondary problem is that the non-productive are still human, have the human desire for power, and tend to destroy the system that produces their guaranteed annual income.

    The non-productive do their share of damage while the productive do what they can to compensate; so the race is on as to whether the curve of civilization is up or down.

    The previous PPF argument suggests that the curve is down just now. There is another phenomenon, however: as the poor get more poor, and more numerous, they will tend to destroy the systems that keep them alive. At some point, nobody will be able to rebuild the neighborhoods they have burned down, or counter staffing all organizations by incompetent but hostile patronage appointees.

    So, yes, in theory one could have an industrial society that could support the current system. In the 1950s and early 1960s, the idea of fully automating all production was fairly common. Even today, people say that “AI” will do all the work. It will not. It consists, as it always has, of software that can do “what only humans can do”, such as recognizing voices. It is a series of specialized tricks, not generalized full human intelligence. That is a long way from changing. The AI you read of in the media is simply a deus ex machina invented by the writers to avoid a bad ending to their propaganda about future prospects of the West.

    At least that’s the way I see it. I’m here in large part to get my opinions corrected, so if you (or anybody else) disagrees and has reasons, please tell me. Otherwise I cannot improve.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/productionpossibilityfrontier.asp

  92. @Intelligent Dasein

    Debt is not a social construct.

    Great explanation, and one I haven’t seen before. The explanation I’ve been using is that a debt assumes a corresponding series of repayments, and that if the repayments aren’t made, the person issuing the loan loses money.

    Nice explanation of debt. The explanation Ive been using has the flaw that it _is_ a social construct, “accounting”, refers to another social construct, “money”, and is therefore subject to the criticism you specified: “the whole thing is a social construct, exists only in our minds, so we can change it by changing our minds” [1]. The explanation you used shows that debt is no more a state of mind than are hunger or food.

    It also shows why the specific “series of repayment” model is used. The idea is that one uses money for capital goods and produces enough to repay the loan over time. Of course, the borrower needs time to use the capital goods to produce a repayment plus a surplus for personal consumption. Nice model, but somebody whose salary is essentially return on somebody else’s capital might well not realize he’s living on labor that essentially enables the company to make a return on its capital investment. Barbarians in a forest never think deeply about how the trees got there.

    So: Clearly I agree with your points, and congratulations on the clear explanation.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] I adapted the basic “change our minds” argument from Pirsig, _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance._

  93. @RadicalCenter

    that’s exactly why there WONT be a civil war any time soon. There’s no dividing line.

  94. @Reg Cæsar

    > European-American as somewhat oxymoronic

    It’s the majority category of hyphenated-USians, which includes African-American, Asian-American, etc.

    And, seen from other countries, especially from Asia, there’s not a big racial or cultural difference between Europeans and Americans (North- and evening Latin- and South-). We’re all more or less the same.

    Now, if you mean, the Atlantic is a big separation between the two continents, and you can’t be both of the New World and of the old one, well, you may have a point. But again, seen from anywhere else, it looks like a case of narcissism of small differences.

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