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An op-ed in the New York Times by Senator Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas):
Fix Immigration. It’s What Voters Want.
By TOM COTTON DEC. 28, 2016Donald J. Trump smashed many orthodoxies on his way to victory, but immigration was the defining issue separating him from his primary opponents and Hillary Clinton. President-elect Trump now has a clear mandate not only to stop illegal immigration, but also to finally cut the generation-long influx of low-skilled immigrants that undermines American workers.
Yet many powerful industries benefit from such immigration. They’re arguing that immigration controls are creating a low-skilled labor shortage.
“We’re pretty much begging for workers,” Tom Nassif, the chief executive of Western Growers, a trade organization that represents farmers, said on CNN. A fast-food chain founder warned, “Our industry can’t survive without Mexican workers.”
These same industries contend that stricter immigration enforcement will further shrink the pool of workers and raise their wages. They argue that closing our borders to inexpensive foreign labor will force employers to add benefits and improve workplace conditions to attract and keep workers already here.
I have an answer to these charges: Exactly.
Higher wages, better benefits and more security for American workers are features, not bugs, of sound immigration reform. For too long, our immigration policy has skewed toward the interests of the wealthy and powerful: Employers get cheaper labor, and professionals get cheaper personal services like housekeeping. We now need an immigration policy that focuses less on the most powerful and more on everyone else.
It’s been a quarter-century since Congress substantially reformed the immigration system. In that time, the population of people who are in this country illegally has nearly tripled, to more than 11 million. We’ve also accepted one million legal immigrants annually — and a vast majority are unskilled or low-skilled.
Some people contend that low-skilled immigration doesn’t depress wages. In his final State of the Union address, President Obama argued that immigrants aren’t the “principal reason wages haven’t gone up; those decisions are made in the boardrooms that too often put quarterly earnings over long-term returns.” Yet those decisions are possible only in the context of a labor surplus caused by low-skilled immigration. In a tight labor market, bosses cannot set low wages and still attract workers.
After all, the law of supply and demand is not magically suspended in the labor market. As immigrant labor has flooded the country, working-class wages have collapsed. Wages for Americans with only high school diplomas have declined by 2 percent since the late 1970s, and for those who didn’t finish high school, they have declined by nearly 20 percent, according to Economic Policy Institute figures.
No doubt automation and globalization have also affected wages, but mass immigration accelerates these trends with surplus labor, which of course decreases wages. Little wonder, then, that these Americans voted for the candidate who promised higher wages and less immigration instead of all the candidates — Republicans and Democrats alike — who promised essentially more of the same on immigration.
When I read articles and essays about rising inequality in the NYT, I like to do a text search on the character string “migra.” Usually I get zero hits.
This time, however, “migra” turned up 34 times.
Will wonders never cease in the year 2016?
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Yes, if we don’t fix immigration, we will have other things to worry about…
Fix irrigation. It’s what plants crave.
Here is another (pre Christmas) miracle in NYT: Liberal Zionism in the Age of Trump
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/20/opinion/liberal-zionism-in-the-age-of-trump.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region%C2%AEion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=1&mtrref=mondoweiss.net&gwh=48087152F7DF719B02143C6FF57986D9&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/article-saying-zionism/
As Brexit and the rise of Trump have already shown, we are living in an age of miracles.
By doing what he did on Nov. 8, 2016, Trump should be ranked up there with Jesus, you know, the first guy who walked on water. It just takes one's breath away!Replies: @whorefinder
#MAGA!
It probably pained the NYT editors to publish this.
I'm not certain about this. Are they true believers? Or do they simply stickt to the party line because, well, our party right or wrong?
I mean, they have obviously strong feelings about themselves as Jews or gays etc., but strong feelings about Mexican lowlife workers???Replies: @JohnnyD, @father o'hara
Immigration will be restricted, it's historically overdue. Might as well lie back and enjoy it.Replies: @JohnnyD, @SFG
Yeah, frame this one, folks.
2016 sure has shaped up to be one heckuva year. And for the exact same reasons, the elite, the media, the celebrities are hating it. It's hard to keep the schadenfreude boner down.
Towards the end of his oped, he mentions how important high skilled immigrants like medical doctors are. I live in a town the SF bay area, where a majority of Docs are from India.
The original idea behind allowing immigration of medical professionals was to infill poorly serviced rural areas. Somehow this too went off the rails, and was gamed by those who could effortlessly outmaneuver the system.
No the solution is to curtail ALL immigration, not just low skilled, until the system fixed.
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
A curiosity reported a few years ago noted that in the time since a new medical school opened in the US, 54 new law schools had opened, tells the story of a radical labor supply imbalance in both professions. Needless to say, the population of the US is something like 100 million greater since the last new med school opened.Replies: @Opinionator
I hope Stephen Miller, who’s heading up the inaugural address preparation, will draw on the moral basis for national sovereignty presented in this essay. I’ve never seen the case made in a more compelling and concise way. It’s by Mark Amstutz, a political science professor at Wheaton College.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2015/12/two-theories-of-immigration
National sovereignty encourages solidarity, subsidiarity, and stewardship. “The communitarian view reminds us that human beings achieve their full humanity through social interaction in specific communities. We are ennobled by our sense of belonging within families, neighborhoods, and nations.”
This is not an easy position for Cotton to take as Arkansas is home to Tyson Foods and Wal Mart, both of whom hire a lot of Hispanics.
I think this op ed was written out of concern that we might get betrayed on immigration due to Trump’s very pro business cabinet choices. I know Sessions is AG but can he stand up to all the pro business people in Trump’s administration? I’m surprised there hasn’t been much talk about this on this blog.
There comes an epic Donnybrook by April with TeamTrump & Jeff Sessions on one side. On the other will be the usual suspects headlined by Juan McCain, Jeff Flake, Lindsay Grahamnesty, upChuck Schumer & Dick Durbin. Not worried about the major opponents. The real concern will be saboteur actions by putative "allies" like Bob Corker, John Cornyn, & Orrin Hatch.
I recently spent a year in Northwest Arkansas, home to Walmart and Tyson. Mexicans are being pushed-out of what were $10 to $12 an hour jobs by $7 to $9 an hour Central Americans and Marshall Islanders.
Meanwhile the dwindling and thoroughly entertainment-besotted middle class fails to notice that the welfare payments it makes to 'keep the cities from burning' also robs the welfare recipients of the family structure, motivation and desire to take back and do the jobs now being done on the cheap by Mexican, Central American and Pacific Islander immigrants.Replies: @Karl, @Opinionator
It depends if those pro-business choices are anti-immigration. But Trump drained the swamp so there shouldn't be any of those nasty mosquitos.
Now, Cotton stated "Higher wages, better benefits and more security for American workers are features, not bugs, of sound immigration reform."
Are we so sure about those trends? Will not companies find ways to raise prices and hire more part-time employees to maintain their profit margins should this low-skilled workforce disappear or be significantly curtailed? I would like to think that Americans would be willing to replace that labor...
“It probably pained the NYT editors to publish this.”
I’m not certain about this. Are they true believers? Or do they simply stickt to the party line because, well, our party right or wrong?
I mean, they have obviously strong feelings about themselves as Jews or gays etc., but strong feelings about Mexican lowlife workers???
Carlos Slim, the owner of the NYT, has gotten rich from exploiting Mexican laborers living in the United States. This impacts what the NYT says about illegal and legal immigration. Also, the NYT's writers and editors want more Latino immigrants because they'll vote for the Democrats.
This is a good start. Others should begin to undermine the glowing U.S. Immigration narrative that has arisen in popular culture because it’s the reason that otherwise reasonable people are failing to see and appreciate the current problems. The survivorship bias (successful immigrants had families, so their great-grandchildren view immigration as an unmitigated good) needs to be tempered with stories of failed immigrants who returned home or lie alone and anonymous in potter’s fields. It’s a halo effect that has to be destroyed before we can talk about immigration and the national interest more openly.
I took every opportunity during political discussions between Thanksgiving and Christmas when talk about “how divided we are” arose to point out the near historical high level of foreign born in the U.S. and the propensity for children of most recent immigrants to retain their parents’ cultures and languages (and speak English fluently at a much diminished degree). This seemed to illuminate some light bulbs above heads of people who were a lot less engaged in political matters than commenters at iSteve. “I guess one in six people being from some other country isn’t a good precondition for a united and cohesive society/nation.”
I doubt it. It resembles boilerplate pro-Labor Dem rhetoric from most of the 20th Century.
Immigration will be restricted, it’s historically overdue. Might as well lie back and enjoy it.
It's true that Democrats and labor leaders (including Cesar Chavez!) used to oppose all of this immigration. But in the current year, they have become completely unhinged on the immigration issue, hence much of the hysteria about Trump. That's why I was surprised to see this op-ed in the New York Times.Replies: @Desiderius
Immigration will be restricted, it's historically overdue. Might as well lie back and enjoy it.Replies: @JohnnyD, @SFG
It’s true that Democrats and labor leaders (including Cesar Chavez!) used to oppose all of this immigration. But in the current year, they have become completely unhinged on the immigration issue, hence much of the hysteria about Trump. That’s why I was surprised to see this op-ed in the New York Times.
The entire mass of D voters is no more monolithic than any other half-country-sized bloc. It is the nature of that particular bloc that a different sort of rationalization is required to dissent from it's party line (one that takes into account both that hysteria and that dominance), but there's no reason that one couldn't be devised that did so if the underlying support was weak enough.
It's narrow but well-funded.
That demonstrates how unpopular the status quo on immigration has become with voters. Cotton is forced to at least give the appearance of taking a position opposed by the two largest employers in his state, who are no doubt major campaign donors.
I’m not sure what you’re asking. Are you talking about peer pressure? Sessions has long been the champion of immigration sanity in the Senate. So I don’t see where peer pressure from Trump’s other appointments will have any effect on Sessions. As for temporal authority, DoJ’s got more juice than the vast majority of the rest.
I skimmed a few comments, and about 1/3 seemed to say, “I’m a lefty, but hey, we need to restrict immigration” and another 1/3 said everyone in favor immigration restriction is Literally Hitler and the final 1/3 tried to argue with statistics and facts about why mass immigration is actually good/isn’t a problem.
That’s rather encouraging. Trump has shifted the Overton Window on the Left’s useful idiots so that at least 2/3 are having serious discussions on border control, and 1/3 are smart enough to admit that, yah, Trump is right (I’d bet about 1/3 of that 1/3 secretly voted for Trump).
But of course none of them admit that the hysterical claims of calling Trump Hitler for wanting this were wildly overblown. Being a Lefty means never having to say you’re sorry.
And that includes how has decisively/forthwith thrown the loony right supporters under the bus without a glance back.
Which I told you guys even before Trump was, unexpectedly to nearly everyone, elected, was going to happen and everyone would be happy with it other than a few grumps. All the winning makes up for it...
Utu, thanks for this, it’s a gold mine:
Liberal Zionism in the Age of Trump
So, it should be easy to dredge up examples of Breitbart’s supposed “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!” from Bannon’s tenure. And the one where one Jew called another Jew a “renegade Jew” doesn’t count.
I’d also like examples of Breitbart’s White Nationalism, racism, and misogyny, from the same period. I mean, this is supposed to be informed opinion, right?
1 (Boehm gave no evidence, only bald assertion, for Trump/Bannon/Breitbart’s supposed “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!) + 1 (Big Zionist Jews have embraced Bannon’s appointment, not opposed it) = 2 (Boehm’s wrong about Bannon).
This would be a far more accurate way to put it:
But enough of that, check this out:
Weeeelll, now it’s getting interesting! I’m tempted not to quibble about the lack of agency implied in “living in a political contradiction,” given that it’s the House that Jews built.
Well, she’s establishing minimum standards of leftist muddle-headedness, anyway: “We are a country.” See, countries can control their borders, control who is allowed to move here and become a citizen. This is quite apart from which freedoms and liberties we afford to our citizens.
Interesting again! Very, very interesting!
I’ve been harping on this for years; Boehm and Svigor, two arch-ANTI-SEMITES!!!
WTF? Did he accidentally cut and paste that in from his essay on mainstream conservatives?
With the religious conversion part very much in the control of the ethnic affiliation part. Conversion’s an asterisk; parenthetical; a footnote.
Yyyyep.
Oy Vey!
There isn’t one. The most effective answer is the same answer leftists give for all of their contradictory, hypocritical nonsense on race: special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history.
Here’s a bit of Jewish Supremacy; the Jewish guy gets to define White Christians as one big undifferentiated mass, and contrast it with Jews. Poles have faced persecutions, pogroms, and mass murder. Ukrainians have faced persecutions, pogroms, and the Holodomor. Germans have experienced plenty of religious persecution in their past, and quite a few bloody wars of religion that devastated their populations. European history is absolutely thick with this stuff. At some point, most everyone in Europe has had their ass kicked.
It’s only correct to say that are wealthy, and uniquely ethnocentric, and thus have made a much bigger deal of their lachrymose history than any European group. And that Jews find any challenge or rival to that Narrative to be “sinister.”
I wrote my response as I read. When I wrote above about special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history, I had not yet read Boehm’s special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history.
P.S., the bit about Wilders’ loyalty being called into question was amusing. Echoes of Trump’s supposed loyalties to Russia much? It’s fun to watch leftists rediscover their atrophied organs of “patriotism.” Scoundrels, the lot.
And flatly heretical, but what does that matter, right?
It’s only correct to say that are wealthy, and uniquely ethnocentric, and thus have made a much bigger deal of their lachrymose history than any European group. And that Jews find any challenge or rival to that Narrative to be “sinister.”
I know Armenians are not Europeans, but they are Christians which would make them Goys and they experienced a Holocaust as well.
"Whereas liberalism depends on the idea that states must remain neutral on matters of religion and race
WTF? Did he accidentally cut and paste that in from his essay on mainstream conservatives?"
Liberals are neutral on race and religion is the equivalent of saying the average Black person has blue eyes. Both couldn't be further from the truth.
"So, it should be easy to dredge up examples of Breitbart’s supposed “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!” from Bannon’s tenure. And the one where one Jew called another Jew a “renegade Jew” doesn’t count.
I’d also like examples of Breitbart’s White Nationalism, racism, and misogyny, from the same period. I mean, this is supposed to be informed opinion, right?"
The same Left Wing Jews who call Steve Bannon and Donald J. Trump anti-Semites are the same Left Wing Jews who want to see Louis Farrakhan's good friend Keith Ellison become the chairman of The Democratic Party. Even The Onion couldn't make this shit up. These commie Jews are trolling us.
Oh, btw... the Scofield heresy seems largely a Southron phenomenon. Up here in the northeastern black heart of Yankee-Judea John Hagee and his ilk are regarded as ignorant redneck relics of the old confederacy.Replies: @Desiderius
The original idea behind allowing immigration of medical professionals was to infill poorly serviced rural areas. Somehow this too went off the rails, and was gamed by those who could effortlessly outmaneuver the system.
No the solution is to curtail ALL immigration, not just low skilled, until the system fixed.Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed, @Moshe, @ben tillman, @Buck Turgidson, @PiltdownMan, @Forbes
I am in biotech and my wife is in dentistry in the Bay Area. Both of these industries have a tremendous imbalance of labor supply and demand fueled by legal immigration. And we’re not exactly uneducated bumpkins I have a PhD and she has a DDS.
Trump beats Hillary in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin by a combined total of less than 100,000 votes (Obama beat Romney in Michigan in 2012 by a margin of 8%! – – – and they said it couldn’t be done!).
By doing what he did on Nov. 8, 2016, Trump should be ranked up there with Jesus, you know, the first guy who walked on water. It just takes one’s breath away!
I'm not certain about this. Are they true believers? Or do they simply stickt to the party line because, well, our party right or wrong?
I mean, they have obviously strong feelings about themselves as Jews or gays etc., but strong feelings about Mexican lowlife workers???Replies: @JohnnyD, @father o'hara
Carlos Slim, the owner of the NYT, has gotten rich from exploiting Mexican laborers living in the United States. This impacts what the NYT says about illegal and legal immigration. Also, the NYT’s writers and editors want more Latino immigrants because they’ll vote for the Democrats.
I'm not certain about this. Are they true believers? Or do they simply stickt to the party line because, well, our party right or wrong?
I mean, they have obviously strong feelings about themselves as Jews or gays etc., but strong feelings about Mexican lowlife workers???Replies: @JohnnyD, @father o'hara
Well,the paper is owned by a Mexican low life…
By doing what he did on Nov. 8, 2016, Trump should be ranked up there with Jesus, you know, the first guy who walked on water. It just takes one's breath away!Replies: @whorefinder
Or, put another way, Trump swung MI 9% in his favor, took a hard-Lefty state everyone thought was out of reach for Rs, and finally pulled out PA away from the D’s, despite all the voter fraud the D’s threw out there.
Food prices are gonna have to rise a bit. Too bad so sad. People are overfed to the point of explosive Pythonesque obesity anyway, so less corn syrup laden crap is a win. More high fiber, freshly made meals is the order of the day. Price rises = smaller portions
As per the fast food workers, I mean WTF. I worked part time in a kitchen as a teen, as did many of my peers. McDonalds was a common part time starter job for 15 yr olds in my day. We need to have another mass screening of Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Teens can marvel at Phoebe Cates, Judge Reinhold & Jennifer Jason Leigh earning $$ at fast food joints. Imagine the paradigm shift at earning money for college and making steps towards adulthood.
That may be true, but all the figures I've seen are 80% to 95% of food prices are post-farm; so very little impact on store prices.
What we (ie Trump) needs to curtail is over-the-border dumping of cheap foreign food. Then combine that with better and closer monitoring of adulteration, pesticides, and antibiotic residues. Half the "Certified Organic" labeled food comes out of China, a country where they hand-pollinate fruit because no bees can live with their level of chemical pollution. It's not real, but since I don't buy it I don't complain.Replies: @Buck Turgidson
I rarely see women as hot as Jennifer Jason Leigh and Phoebe Cates working at McDonald's. It's mostly ugly Mexican and ugly Central American chicks.
The attractive female fast food employees work at Chick Fil-A.
Anyone getting to where they can’t take any more of this winning yet?
But preliminarily, yeah, it's been a great year. Trump's victory made me as happy as the collapse of the Soviet empire did. Of course Hillary & company weren't as bad as the Soviets, but that's offset by my greater concern for the welfare of America than of Poland or Estonia.
This article may have been aired out as a distracting pacifier along the lines of “we feel your pain, and we will act in your interests….just trust us to do the right thing, and get back to watching NFL games & reality tv….”
There comes an epic Donnybrook by April with TeamTrump & Jeff Sessions on one side. On the other will be the usual suspects headlined by Juan McCain, Jeff Flake, Lindsay Grahamnesty, upChuck Schumer & Dick Durbin. Not worried about the major opponents. The real concern will be saboteur actions by putative “allies” like Bob Corker, John Cornyn, & Orrin Hatch.
The original idea behind allowing immigration of medical professionals was to infill poorly serviced rural areas. Somehow this too went off the rails, and was gamed by those who could effortlessly outmaneuver the system.
No the solution is to curtail ALL immigration, not just low skilled, until the system fixed.Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed, @Moshe, @ben tillman, @Buck Turgidson, @PiltdownMan, @Forbes
Used to work at a hospital that was about 25 miles away from DC in a county that is increasingly more suburban than rural. Even here the hospital had a very hard time recruiting doctors.
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.
What's that, you say? They take high prestige jobs in urban centers? What a surprise...Replies: @Reg Cæsar
They come here to save us, pure altruism apparently.
See this article for the compensation figures: http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2011/07/period_of_rapid_pay_growth_for.html
Even with pay freezes and cuts, $700,000 in annual compensation goes a long way where the cost of living is a fraction of California's.Replies: @Jefferson
Much less India, Pakistan, China, or Africa.
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
Pay a premium on insurance and Medicare reimbursements for residents of those zip codes for services provided in those zip codes.
Tom Cotton says he wants to reduce legal immigration in total while increasing highly skilled immigration? I say the only answer is a complete moratorium on all immigration combined with the immediate deportation of all illegal alien invaders.
Cotton seems to be playing some kind of bait-and-switch game. Cotton just wants a huge jump in the number of H-1B visa entrants into the United States. Cotton will fail to deliver reductions to legal immigration while massively increasing H-1B visa admissions.
Cotton should start a few brawls with Republicans and Democrats to make his case sound more honest. Cotton should challenge Richard Trumka and Martin O’Malley to a debate on immigration. After that Cotton could debate Paul Ryan and Lindsey Graham.
Mass immigration increases income inequality. Mass immigration lowers wages. Mass immigration increases housing costs.
Immigration reductions will boost wages. Immigration reductions will lessen housing costs. Immigration reductions will make family formation more affordable.
The original idea behind allowing immigration of medical professionals was to infill poorly serviced rural areas. Somehow this too went off the rails, and was gamed by those who could effortlessly outmaneuver the system.
No the solution is to curtail ALL immigration, not just low skilled, until the system fixed.Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed, @Moshe, @ben tillman, @Buck Turgidson, @PiltdownMan, @Forbes
Good Medical Doctors are the demographic of immigrant I support.
I mentioned this theory last time the NYT had a pro-immigration editorial (and twice in one year is enough to be a pattern for the NYT, as far as immigration is concerned). My theory is that since the Mexican government has clamped down on Carlos Slim’s telecom monopoly, he’s less of a mind to do them any favors. Such as supporting the US immigration safety valve for Mexico’s social problems.
Another possibility is the libs have realized the identity politics strategy is beginning to backfire and are trying to reorient.
Amusingly, when you read the comments lots of people are piling on Cotton, even though you see them piling on the pro-immigration liberals when they post paeans to immigration. I suspect they may be trying to get everyone to be pro-immigration by having Cotton (who is a red-state GOP senator and hence going to be hated by the liberal readership) argue against it.
Or maybe that's too much 'triple bankshot' thinking.
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
Why don’t we produce more American doctors then?
What voters want are high real estate prices and cheap high quality eats. Immigrants provoke the first and make the second. IF the voter works for the local government what they want is kids to teach and more people to police, immigrants work on all levels.
I looked up Capt Cotton’s hometown Dardenelle AR, the best restaurants include 5 Mexican 1 Thai, the rest being chains and American. It is possible all restaurants in Dardanelle have 100% legal staffs and owners but I am going to guess open borders expresses itself as much improved dining options for the voters back in AR.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurants-g31537-Dardanelle_Arkansas.html
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
Thank goodness for race based affirmative action so plenty of black doctors can serve AA communities in rural Mississippi.
What’s that, you say? They take high prestige jobs in urban centers? What a surprise…
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
That’s where the affirmative action physicians should go. Oh wait, they get paid a lot more than physicians to be diversity administrators at hospitals and universities.
The original idea behind allowing immigration of medical professionals was to infill poorly serviced rural areas. Somehow this too went off the rails, and was gamed by those who could effortlessly outmaneuver the system.
No the solution is to curtail ALL immigration, not just low skilled, until the system fixed.Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed, @Moshe, @ben tillman, @Buck Turgidson, @PiltdownMan, @Forbes
When all immigration is curtailed, the system *is* fixed.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2015/12/two-theories-of-immigration
National sovereignty encourages solidarity, subsidiarity, and stewardship. "The communitarian view reminds us that human beings achieve their full humanity through social interaction in specific communities. We are ennobled by our sense of belonging within families, neighborhoods, and nations."Replies: @ben tillman
That’s still a namby-pamby substitite for the fundamental truth that we are living beings with an interest in staying alive. “[S]olidarity, subsidiarity, and stewardship” and nobility are means, not ends.
Nope,
I recently spent a year in Northwest Arkansas, home to Walmart and Tyson. Mexicans are being pushed-out of what were $10 to $12 an hour jobs by $7 to $9 an hour Central Americans and Marshall Islanders.
Meanwhile the dwindling and thoroughly entertainment-besotted middle class fails to notice that the welfare payments it makes to ‘keep the cities from burning’ also robs the welfare recipients of the family structure, motivation and desire to take back and do the jobs now being done on the cheap by Mexican, Central American and Pacific Islander immigrants.
enter, remain & work in the USA freely, due to the compact of Free Association. It's a treaty. Would need to be repelled. Ain't gonna happen as long as the US Army wants Kwajelein Island.
Interesting place to visit, if you're into high-power radars.
Not as nice a place to work as it was in the old days, when the techies were free to import 20-year old beauty-queen-winner girlfriends from Manila.
Only the Top Dog managers have that privilege now.Replies: @Alec Leamas
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
I am American and was visiting a friend in Canada. She pulled strings to get me in with her OB due to a pressing medical situation. Nice guy. I couldn’t place his accent and asked my friend. He was South African. Canada had a program where you practiced X number of years in an underserved area and you got to immigrate. He spent a number of years up in the Yukon, I believe, before he was free to move and work where he liked.
I’m not sure when we will see the like of it again. Definitely frame that one – the exception to the rule.
2016 sure has shaped up to be one heckuva year. And for the exact same reasons, the elite, the media, the celebrities are hating it. It’s hard to keep the schadenfreude boner down.
We could increase our glorious GDP by picking up the populations of Guatemala and Honduras (25 million) and transplanting them here. Isn’t this what is already being done on a smaller scale? Allowing in a huge, uneducated third world influx (legal/illegal) that is content to bump along at a low economic level.
A few years ago I read that 25% of all Salvadorans live in America.
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
An online libtard told me that docs from the 3rd world are in the west fighting, do you hear, fighting to save our lives.
They come here to save us, pure altruism apparently.
“Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.”
The medical industry needs a major overhaul on its work flow and who is permitted to do common tasks. The medical industry of today is not much different than the American auto industry in 1973.
Restrictionists would do well to study the comments to Cotton’s piece, because we’ll be hearing a lot more of those arguments. We need potent counterarguments.
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
Small city middle America is still a great place to be if one is a senior manager of a local hospital or a local hospital within a larger hospital corporation.
See this article for the compensation figures: http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2011/07/period_of_rapid_pay_growth_for.html
Even with pay freezes and cuts, $700,000 in annual compensation goes a long way where the cost of living is a fraction of California’s.
Making $700,000 a year goes a long way even in The Bay Area, let alone in Flyover Country. Your average Silicon Valley grunt worker from India and China does not make $700,000 a year. They are seen as the cheap Mexican labor of the tech world.
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @Marina, @Lurker, @cipher, @Opinionator
Can only imagine how hard it is to get doctors to practice in West Virginia or the Black Belt in the South.
Much less India, Pakistan, China, or Africa.
It’s not like businesses should be *that* worried. An increase in the price of labor will not all fall on the owners of the business. Most of it will simply be passed on to consumers. And then government takes a little haircut in taxes. And then owners — in the case of McDonalds — stockholder, takes a haircut.
Half the benefit of markets and capitalism is to mediate price changes.
And under capitalism, even if the industry as a whole loses, there will be winners within the industry.
Tell em to man up and quit crying.
‘Will wonders never cease in the year 2016?’
Causing the first parent-child in memoriam bit at the next year’s Oscars?
“I think this op ed was written out of concern that we might get betrayed on immigration due to Trump’s very pro business cabinet choices.”
It depends if those pro-business choices are anti-immigration. But Trump drained the swamp so there shouldn’t be any of those nasty mosquitos.
Now, Cotton stated “Higher wages, better benefits and more security for American workers are features, not bugs, of sound immigration reform.”
Are we so sure about those trends? Will not companies find ways to raise prices and hire more part-time employees to maintain their profit margins should this low-skilled workforce disappear or be significantly curtailed? I would like to think that Americans would be willing to replace that labor…
The original idea behind allowing immigration of medical professionals was to infill poorly serviced rural areas. Somehow this too went off the rails, and was gamed by those who could effortlessly outmaneuver the system.
No the solution is to curtail ALL immigration, not just low skilled, until the system fixed.Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed, @Moshe, @ben tillman, @Buck Turgidson, @PiltdownMan, @Forbes
Amen! The best thing for the nation, workers, citizens, would be to end immigration. Not ‘fix’ it, not cut this or that, but stop it with a full moratorium, at least 20 years. We are at 20% unemployment for crying out loud, and becoming more automated and mechanized and roboticized every day. Red flashing lights and warning sirens should be blasting and Congress should be in an all-hands-on-deck drill to find meaningful work for our citizens. But the media *never* discusses these things (partly b/c it is so important to tell us about George Michael and Carrie Fisher), so this is just not on the radar of enough sheeple, especially bleeding-heart liberal, bedwetter, coexiting, diversity-loving do gooders (and of course the church-based and other refugee ripoff industry criminals). The decaying infrastructure in most parts of the country is overburdened. Traffic in every big US city is a Charlie Fox. We have places in the nation printing things like voting ballots in 20 languages. If Trump wants to make America great again, or more like it used to be before the immigration tsunami, and put the interests of the average working schlub ahead or on par with those of corporate America, this is what he would do. There would be no discrimination. No one else is coming in. As Ann Coulter would say, America needs some “me time.”
Great iSteve nod here!
Related to Trump’s meeting with Carlos Slim? I expected some interesting developments, but not this; is the NYT planning to transform itself back into a respectable newspaper? Every little bit helps…
Are we so sure about those trendsst? Will not companies find ways to raise prices and hire more part-time employees to maintain their profit margins should this low-skilled workforce disappear or be significantly curtailed? I would like to think that Americans would be willing to replace that labor…
So what do you want? Maintain the current status quo while you wring your hands and pretend to be concerned?
What's that, you say? They take high prestige jobs in urban centers? What a surprise...Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Kermit Gosnell!
Another problem is that North Dakota sucks for golf.
I recently spent a year in Northwest Arkansas, home to Walmart and Tyson. Mexicans are being pushed-out of what were $10 to $12 an hour jobs by $7 to $9 an hour Central Americans and Marshall Islanders.
Meanwhile the dwindling and thoroughly entertainment-besotted middle class fails to notice that the welfare payments it makes to 'keep the cities from burning' also robs the welfare recipients of the family structure, motivation and desire to take back and do the jobs now being done on the cheap by Mexican, Central American and Pacific Islander immigrants.Replies: @Karl, @Opinionator
> Marshall Islanders
enter, remain & work in the USA freely, due to the compact of Free Association. It’s a treaty. Would need to be repelled. Ain’t gonna happen as long as the US Army wants Kwajelein Island.
Interesting place to visit, if you’re into high-power radars.
Not as nice a place to work as it was in the old days, when the techies were free to import 20-year old beauty-queen-winner girlfriends from Manila.
Only the Top Dog managers have that privilege now.
Not me. I am looking forward to 4 more years of the Trumpening. I think DJT is really pissed at all the hate and vitriol that’s been thrown at him and especially at his family (#RapeMelania as a leading hashtag, homos on a plane berating his daughter and grandkids, anyone?), and he believes in revenge. See Romney, Mitt.
Makes as much sense as anything else and appeals to the conspiracy theorist in me. 😉
Another possibility is the libs have realized the identity politics strategy is beginning to backfire and are trying to reorient.
Amusingly, when you read the comments lots of people are piling on Cotton, even though you see them piling on the pro-immigration liberals when they post paeans to immigration. I suspect they may be trying to get everyone to be pro-immigration by having Cotton (who is a red-state GOP senator and hence going to be hated by the liberal readership) argue against it.
Or maybe that’s too much ‘triple bankshot’ thinking.
Hallelujah! It’s about damn time somebody applied the law of supply and demand to the labor markets. White people can’t compete against hordes of Third Worlders for whom $7 an hour is a fortune.
I just read some statistics indicating that 55% of the jobs in New York State, and 65% of the jobs Upstate, pay less than $20 and hour.
Sixty-five percent! Think about that for a moment. Twenty bucks an hour is about forty grand a year — before taxes, of course. If 65% of the jobs pay less than that, how the hell can you get ahead when a house costs $200 grand ($600,000 to a million in the City) and a cheap car is $20k?
You can’t. Clearly, a significant number of people make a cost-benefit analysis — if they can get $40-50,000 worth of benefits from the government (Medicaid, WIC, Sec. 8, SNAP) why in hell would they take a $12 an hour job, and have to pay for Obamacare out of that? Answer: they won’t.
Shut down immigration completely — then start cutting welfare. It’ll even things out.
Private employment outside of small business proprietorship is virtually non-existent--those making less than $20/hr, e.g. retail, restaurant, personal services, et al.
Large existing businesses are bribed to stay with tax breaks paid for by the shrinking population--a death spiral of higher taxes that facilitates out-migration.
Upstate cities Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse have populations 40% smaller than in 1960. Albany survives, like Washington, DC, as it is greased by the vigorish of taxpayer funds that flow through the sausage-making machine.Replies: @Anon
Immigration will be restricted, it's historically overdue. Might as well lie back and enjoy it.Replies: @JohnnyD, @SFG
I hope you’re right, and I see the left is realizing identity politics has blown up in their faces,but I can’t see the left half of the Deep State giving up that easily.
Sweet. Two birds with one stone!
Well, let’s wait a few more months to see what exactly we’ve won.
But preliminarily, yeah, it’s been a great year. Trump’s victory made me as happy as the collapse of the Soviet empire did. Of course Hillary & company weren’t as bad as the Soviets, but that’s offset by my greater concern for the welfare of America than of Poland or Estonia.
We should be training Americans for such jobs. Any reason that can’t be done instead?
I looked up Capt Cotton's hometown Dardenelle AR, the best restaurants include 5 Mexican 1 Thai, the rest being chains and American. It is possible all restaurants in Dardanelle have 100% legal staffs and owners but I am going to guess open borders expresses itself as much improved dining options for the voters back in AR.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurants-g31537-Dardanelle_Arkansas.htmlReplies: @Opinionator
Are you serious?
Senator Tom ‘pick your own damn’ Cotton.
A few years ago I read that 25% of all Salvadorans live in America.Replies: @Opinionator
Shouldn’t we receive the territories of Guatemala and Honduras in return?
American med students receive loan/tuition forgiveness for practicing in underserved communities. Why do we need to import more foreigners to do this?
I recently spent a year in Northwest Arkansas, home to Walmart and Tyson. Mexicans are being pushed-out of what were $10 to $12 an hour jobs by $7 to $9 an hour Central Americans and Marshall Islanders.
Meanwhile the dwindling and thoroughly entertainment-besotted middle class fails to notice that the welfare payments it makes to 'keep the cities from burning' also robs the welfare recipients of the family structure, motivation and desire to take back and do the jobs now being done on the cheap by Mexican, Central American and Pacific Islander immigrants.Replies: @Karl, @Opinionator
What a fricking mess this is.
Trump carried on a personal feud with Slim during the election:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/politics/carlos-slim-donald-trump-dinner/
Slim has significant holdings in the US, and is also vulnerable indirectly via the fate of the Mexican economy (he took a hit of billions on the fall of the peso after Trump won).
Assuming he cares far more about these than about the fate of past, and future, Mexican migrants to the US (he’s not even ethnically Mexican) – he has cause to be getting nervous.
So he ‘extended an olive branch’ by requesting a meeting with Trump a week ago. They had dinner:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2016/12/20/does-carlos-slim-and-donald-trumps-cordial-dinner-signal-a-role-for-the-mexican-tycoon/#779815b76efe
and…
Remarkable co-incidence. I would expect more of them.
Trump’s greatest strength remains his opponents’ massive underestimation of him.
Skimming the comments, a lot of people point out that the Republicans formerly just loved cheap illegal labour. The commenters seem skeptical.
Well, let’s see what happens.
Let’s hope Trump keeps his word.
enter, remain & work in the USA freely, due to the compact of Free Association. It's a treaty. Would need to be repelled. Ain't gonna happen as long as the US Army wants Kwajelein Island.
Interesting place to visit, if you're into high-power radars.
Not as nice a place to work as it was in the old days, when the techies were free to import 20-year old beauty-queen-winner girlfriends from Manila.
Only the Top Dog managers have that privilege now.Replies: @Alec Leamas
My grandmother’s brother was on Kwaj as an engineer for decades working on (IIRC) ICBM guidance. The story was that his children were forced to leave the island at the age of 18, or maybe that once they attained the age of 18 and left the atoll they weren’t allowed back. Something like that. I’m talking 1960s-1970s Cold War era. The pictures from back then sure don’t look like there was much to do there though.
He racked up some impressive trophy fish – some big Bull Mahi and stud Wahoo/Ono and shipped skin mounts back to my great grandmother stateside which she hung on the walls. I don’t recall any Blue Marlin but the place looks like it should have been lousy with them.
It's true that Democrats and labor leaders (including Cesar Chavez!) used to oppose all of this immigration. But in the current year, they have become completely unhinged on the immigration issue, hence much of the hysteria about Trump. That's why I was surprised to see this op-ed in the New York Times.Replies: @Desiderius
They’re hysterical about anyone who challenges their dominance. If it wasn’t Trump, they’d be hysterical about someone else. It’s what they do.
The entire mass of D voters is no more monolithic than any other half-country-sized bloc. It is the nature of that particular bloc that a different sort of rationalization is required to dissent from it’s party line (one that takes into account both that hysteria and that dominance), but there’s no reason that one couldn’t be devised that did so if the underlying support was weak enough.
It’s narrow but well-funded.
There’s the Left and then there’s the fake Left. My guess is that the real Left has been catching on to the ruse.
There is a significant portion of the real Left for which statutory immigration restriction is throwing br’er rabbit into the br’er patch, on all sorts of levels.
As per the fast food workers, I mean WTF. I worked part time in a kitchen as a teen, as did many of my peers. McDonalds was a common part time starter job for 15 yr olds in my day. We need to have another mass screening of Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Teens can marvel at Phoebe Cates, Judge Reinhold & Jennifer Jason Leigh earning $$ at fast food joints. Imagine the paradigm shift at earning money for college and making steps towards adulthood.Replies: @hooodathunkit, @415 reasons, @Jefferson
“Food prices are gonna have to rise a bit.”
That may be true, but all the figures I’ve seen are 80% to 95% of food prices are post-farm; so very little impact on store prices.
What we (ie Trump) needs to curtail is over-the-border dumping of cheap foreign food. Then combine that with better and closer monitoring of adulteration, pesticides, and antibiotic residues. Half the “Certified Organic” labeled food comes out of China, a country where they hand-pollinate fruit because no bees can live with their level of chemical pollution. It’s not real, but since I don’t buy it I don’t complain.
As per the fast food workers, I mean WTF. I worked part time in a kitchen as a teen, as did many of my peers. McDonalds was a common part time starter job for 15 yr olds in my day. We need to have another mass screening of Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Teens can marvel at Phoebe Cates, Judge Reinhold & Jennifer Jason Leigh earning $$ at fast food joints. Imagine the paradigm shift at earning money for college and making steps towards adulthood.Replies: @hooodathunkit, @415 reasons, @Jefferson
Calories are massively cheap anyways. The most expensive and most labor intensive farmed products are probably the most expendable in terms of food affordability. If strawberries cost $5 / box instead of $3.50 or $4 will that really affect people’s lives that much? About as much as maids costing 30% more. I.e. A minor inconvenience to people who can easily afford it.
For next Christmas, I want Steve Sailer appointed as a regular op-ed contributor.
Strawberries are just about the worst in terms of immigration burden. Nobody picks strawberries for all that many years so new immigrant workers have to constantly be brought in.
Would recommend avoiding California strawberries in general. Best I recall they nuke the berry fields with methyl bromide & chloropicrin to max out the yields. Too much pesticide residue remains. You are better to go with wild berries, or pick your own in northern areas where they use less pesticide. Cranberries are another good option. The whole pesticide overuse + ignorant illegal immigrant labor combo is another toxic mess where it is lose-lose-lose scenario. There are some organic approaches using cayenne pepper spray that work alright…you have to find that in local farmers markets.
I love being so sick of winning and Trump hasn’t even taken the oath yet.
And that includes how has decisively/forthwith thrown the loony right supporters under the bus without a glance back.
Which I told you guys even before Trump was, unexpectedly to nearly everyone, elected, was going to happen and everyone would be happy with it other than a few grumps. All the winning makes up for it…
Yes and turn them into soccer fields. Then deport every soccer player there. Then covert all US soccer fields to baseball and Lacrosse for men and women.
No, they just want cheap labor.
About 1975 I knew two white guys-brothers who were devoted to to the California strawberry fields and made very good money that they tastefully bragged about. They did the hard labor but also had another money angle which I forget. Perhaps they supervised crews. And one of them had a leg problem and walked with a limp/ White youth were tougher.
They can have a good full taste, unlike the ones from sandy Florida soils. I see them very cheap some years so production must be up. I don’t believe they are sprayed with as much crap as they used to be. I don’t taste or feel a heavy pesticide load.
As per the fast food workers, I mean WTF. I worked part time in a kitchen as a teen, as did many of my peers. McDonalds was a common part time starter job for 15 yr olds in my day. We need to have another mass screening of Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Teens can marvel at Phoebe Cates, Judge Reinhold & Jennifer Jason Leigh earning $$ at fast food joints. Imagine the paradigm shift at earning money for college and making steps towards adulthood.Replies: @hooodathunkit, @415 reasons, @Jefferson
“As per the fast food workers, I mean WTF. I worked part time in a kitchen as a teen, as did many of my peers. McDonalds was a common part time starter job for 15 yr olds in my day. We need to have another mass screening of Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Teens can marvel at Phoebe Cates, Judge Reinhold & Jennifer Jason Leigh earning $$ at fast food joints. Imagine the paradigm shift at earning money for college and making steps towards adulthood.”
I rarely see women as hot as Jennifer Jason Leigh and Phoebe Cates working at McDonald’s. It’s mostly ugly Mexican and ugly Central American chicks.
The attractive female fast food employees work at Chick Fil-A.
See this article for the compensation figures: http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2011/07/period_of_rapid_pay_growth_for.html
Even with pay freezes and cuts, $700,000 in annual compensation goes a long way where the cost of living is a fraction of California's.Replies: @Jefferson
“Even with pay freezes and cuts, $700,000 in annual compensation goes a long way where the cost of living is a fraction of California’s.”
Making $700,000 a year goes a long way even in The Bay Area, let alone in Flyover Country. Your average Silicon Valley grunt worker from India and China does not make $700,000 a year. They are seen as the cheap Mexican labor of the tech world.
You mean a LEBANESE low life.
Liberal Zionism in the Age of TrumpSo, it should be easy to dredge up examples of Breitbart's supposed "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!" from Bannon's tenure. And the one where one Jew called another Jew a "renegade Jew" doesn't count.
I'd also like examples of Breitbart's White Nationalism, racism, and misogyny, from the same period. I mean, this is supposed to be informed opinion, right?1 (Boehm gave no evidence, only bald assertion, for Trump/Bannon/Breitbart's supposed "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!) + 1 (Big Zionist Jews have embraced Bannon's appointment, not opposed it) = 2 (Boehm's wrong about Bannon).This would be a far more accurate way to put it:But enough of that, check this out:
Weeeelll, now it's getting interesting! I'm tempted not to quibble about the lack of agency implied in "living in a political contradiction," given that it's the House that Jews built.Well, she's establishing minimum standards of leftist muddle-headedness, anyway: "We are a country." See, countries can control their borders, control who is allowed to move here and become a citizen. This is quite apart from which freedoms and liberties we afford to our citizens.Interesting again! Very, very interesting!
I've been harping on this for years; Boehm and Svigor, two arch-ANTI-SEMITES!!!WTF? Did he accidentally cut and paste that in from his essay on mainstream conservatives?With the religious conversion part very much in the control of the ethnic affiliation part. Conversion's an asterisk; parenthetical; a footnote.Yyyyep.Oy Vey!There isn't one. The most effective answer is the same answer leftists give for all of their contradictory, hypocritical nonsense on race: special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history.Here's a bit of Jewish Supremacy; the Jewish guy gets to define White Christians as one big undifferentiated mass, and contrast it with Jews. Poles have faced persecutions, pogroms, and mass murder. Ukrainians have faced persecutions, pogroms, and the Holodomor. Germans have experienced plenty of religious persecution in their past, and quite a few bloody wars of religion that devastated their populations. European history is absolutely thick with this stuff. At some point, most everyone in Europe has had their ass kicked.
It's only correct to say that are wealthy, and uniquely ethnocentric, and thus have made a much bigger deal of their lachrymose history than any European group. And that Jews find any challenge or rival to that Narrative to be "sinister."I wrote my response as I read. When I wrote above about special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history, I had not yet read Boehm's special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history.
P.S., the bit about Wilders' loyalty being called into question was amusing. Echoes of Trump's supposed loyalties to Russia much? It's fun to watch leftists rediscover their atrophied organs of "patriotism." Scoundrels, the lot.And flatly heretical, but what does that matter, right?Replies: @Jefferson, @FX Enderby, @Anonymous
“Here’s a bit of Jewish Supremacy; the Jewish guy gets to define White Christians as one big undifferentiated mass, and contrast it with Jews. Poles have faced persecutions, pogroms, and mass murder. Ukrainians have faced persecutions, pogroms, and the Holodomor. Germans have experienced plenty of religious persecution in their past, and quite a few bloody wars of religion that devastated their populations. European history is absolutely thick with this stuff. At some point, most everyone in Europe has had their ass kicked.
It’s only correct to say that are wealthy, and uniquely ethnocentric, and thus have made a much bigger deal of their lachrymose history than any European group. And that Jews find any challenge or rival to that Narrative to be “sinister.”
I know Armenians are not Europeans, but they are Christians which would make them Goys and they experienced a Holocaust as well.
“Whereas liberalism depends on the idea that states must remain neutral on matters of religion and race
WTF? Did he accidentally cut and paste that in from his essay on mainstream conservatives?”
Liberals are neutral on race and religion is the equivalent of saying the average Black person has blue eyes. Both couldn’t be further from the truth.
“So, it should be easy to dredge up examples of Breitbart’s supposed “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!” from Bannon’s tenure. And the one where one Jew called another Jew a “renegade Jew” doesn’t count.
I’d also like examples of Breitbart’s White Nationalism, racism, and misogyny, from the same period. I mean, this is supposed to be informed opinion, right?”
The same Left Wing Jews who call Steve Bannon and Donald J. Trump anti-Semites are the same Left Wing Jews who want to see Louis Farrakhan’s good friend Keith Ellison become the chairman of The Democratic Party. Even The Onion couldn’t make this shit up. These commie Jews are trolling us.
Damn, is this the ‘patients rotting in the hospital’ rationale for immigration? There are no good foreign medical doctors. Pay American MDs what they deserve and stand back.
The original idea behind allowing immigration of medical professionals was to infill poorly serviced rural areas. Somehow this too went off the rails, and was gamed by those who could effortlessly outmaneuver the system.
No the solution is to curtail ALL immigration, not just low skilled, until the system fixed.Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed, @Moshe, @ben tillman, @Buck Turgidson, @PiltdownMan, @Forbes
I met a dean of a Chicago area medical school last year who remarked that the US has a chronic shortage of doctors on purpose, contrived by the American Medical Association in order to keep the practice of medicine a highly paying profession.
He said that there are about 12,000 medical school slots (and thus students) in the US in any given year. Britain, with a fifth the population, has about 8,000.
As a result, the importation of foreign medical graduates has been a necessity for our healthcare system for the last half century, and there is effectively a two-caste labor pricing system that benefits graduates of US medical schools, almost all of them US citizens.
“He said that there are about 12,000 medical school slots (and thus students) in the US in any given year. Britain, with a fifth the population, has about 8,000.”
FINALLY, someone who actually wants to look at numbers, rather than just make evidence-free assertions.
OK, let’s start with the contention that the U.K. is doing a much better job educating their doctors locally than the US. However, the UK seems to have more than a 1/3rd of its doctors from outside the U.K., according to this website https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/.
Not that these are mostly NON-EU so Brexit wont change anything.
Finally, here’s the stats about first-year residents in the US.
http://www.ecfmg.org/news/2016/03/30/img-performance-2016-match/
There seem to be about 28K slots of which 6.5K went to IMGs but, of those, only about 4K were non-US-citizens.
I don’t see much evidence that the U.K. is doing a better job of keeping out foreign doctors.
That may be true, but all the figures I've seen are 80% to 95% of food prices are post-farm; so very little impact on store prices.
What we (ie Trump) needs to curtail is over-the-border dumping of cheap foreign food. Then combine that with better and closer monitoring of adulteration, pesticides, and antibiotic residues. Half the "Certified Organic" labeled food comes out of China, a country where they hand-pollinate fruit because no bees can live with their level of chemical pollution. It's not real, but since I don't buy it I don't complain.Replies: @Buck Turgidson
So we have to pay a few dollars more for food …. and at the same time save tens of thousands in welfare payments, extra schools, medical cost payouts. Less traffic and congestion. More open spaces preserved, less pressure on strained water systems. Higher wages for US workers. More job opportunities for younger people and minorities. What’s not to like?
Whoa. I’ve never heard of a hooker who gets paid in greens fees!
Hopefully The Anti-Gnostic’s July comment (#51) points to stoop farming’s future.
We have the technology!
Didn’t Trup recently tweet that Slim is a great guy? Well, perhaps he convinced he who pays the piper to call for a new tune.
Or maybe the editors are just doing a bit of CYA in this cold new world.
Store bought strawberries, like tomatoes, haven’t tasted like much in years. OTOH, you can get them all year round.
Liberal Zionism in the Age of TrumpSo, it should be easy to dredge up examples of Breitbart's supposed "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!" from Bannon's tenure. And the one where one Jew called another Jew a "renegade Jew" doesn't count.
I'd also like examples of Breitbart's White Nationalism, racism, and misogyny, from the same period. I mean, this is supposed to be informed opinion, right?1 (Boehm gave no evidence, only bald assertion, for Trump/Bannon/Breitbart's supposed "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!) + 1 (Big Zionist Jews have embraced Bannon's appointment, not opposed it) = 2 (Boehm's wrong about Bannon).This would be a far more accurate way to put it:But enough of that, check this out:
Weeeelll, now it's getting interesting! I'm tempted not to quibble about the lack of agency implied in "living in a political contradiction," given that it's the House that Jews built.Well, she's establishing minimum standards of leftist muddle-headedness, anyway: "We are a country." See, countries can control their borders, control who is allowed to move here and become a citizen. This is quite apart from which freedoms and liberties we afford to our citizens.Interesting again! Very, very interesting!
I've been harping on this for years; Boehm and Svigor, two arch-ANTI-SEMITES!!!WTF? Did he accidentally cut and paste that in from his essay on mainstream conservatives?With the religious conversion part very much in the control of the ethnic affiliation part. Conversion's an asterisk; parenthetical; a footnote.Yyyyep.Oy Vey!There isn't one. The most effective answer is the same answer leftists give for all of their contradictory, hypocritical nonsense on race: special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history.Here's a bit of Jewish Supremacy; the Jewish guy gets to define White Christians as one big undifferentiated mass, and contrast it with Jews. Poles have faced persecutions, pogroms, and mass murder. Ukrainians have faced persecutions, pogroms, and the Holodomor. Germans have experienced plenty of religious persecution in their past, and quite a few bloody wars of religion that devastated their populations. European history is absolutely thick with this stuff. At some point, most everyone in Europe has had their ass kicked.
It's only correct to say that are wealthy, and uniquely ethnocentric, and thus have made a much bigger deal of their lachrymose history than any European group. And that Jews find any challenge or rival to that Narrative to be "sinister."I wrote my response as I read. When I wrote above about special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history, I had not yet read Boehm's special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history.
P.S., the bit about Wilders' loyalty being called into question was amusing. Echoes of Trump's supposed loyalties to Russia much? It's fun to watch leftists rediscover their atrophied organs of "patriotism." Scoundrels, the lot.And flatly heretical, but what does that matter, right?Replies: @Jefferson, @FX Enderby, @Anonymous
This is just bizarre. Fundamentalist Christian Zionists are hysterically philo-Semitic. Their near worship of “the Jewish people” as blameless paragons of pure moral virtue who must never be criticized because “God said so” is utterly irrational – and it is an integral component of their heretical “views on the Jews’ part in a larger messianic scheme”.
Oh, btw… the Scofield heresy seems largely a Southron phenomenon. Up here in the northeastern black heart of Yankee-Judea John Hagee and his ilk are regarded as ignorant redneck relics of the old confederacy.
The AMA limits the number of U.S. medical school seats but does nothing to prevent foreign doctors from flooding in to meet demand? Something doesn’t add up. I don’t buy that the US market for medicine can somehow be bifurcated, with supply of foreign docs having no effect on the demand and price of domestic ones. How is that possible? Even if it were, why not just train US docs for the “lower-tier” market?
A lot of people on the left agitate for high minimum wages. This is an anti-immigrant policy even if it doesn’t register as such with the progressives.
It isn’t if the immigrants are better workers, as they often are.
I believe that one of the contributing factors to this sorry state is that the AMA is afraid that it would be politically impossible to cut-back on any increases in US medical college graduate numbers once such proactive policies were implemented. Whereas the AMA believes that it is politically easier to control at will the entry/invasion levels of foreign MDs. The same nefarious policies also hold for the onslaught of foreign DDSs.
“I met a dean of a Chicago area medical school last year who remarked that the US has a chronic shortage of doctors on purpose, contrived by the American Medical Association in order to keep the practice of medicine a highly paying profession.”
Milton Friedman wrote years ago that the AMA was the most powerful trade union in America.
Good point.
The NYT main immigration reporter just tweeted this out, why am I not surprised.
I looked online and the employment to population ratio for AR is 56 percent which is one of the five lowest in the country. Twenty years ago it was 62 percent. The labor market could clearly use some tightening up, yet Ms. Preston repeats this “jobs Americans wont do” meme. Paul Krugman had a good line on this: there is no such thing as a job an American won’t do, there are only jobs Americans wont do at a given salary.
The typical lefty abhors such black and white distinctions, and is always looking for the nuance and complexity in the answer--it's a conundrum.
No it’s not. They are just incapable of understanding economics. They cannot reconcile supply for labor and demand. It’s all just free money to them being held away by evil white capitalists. Just raise the minimum wages and the great society they envision will magically occur.
The original idea behind allowing immigration of medical professionals was to infill poorly serviced rural areas. Somehow this too went off the rails, and was gamed by those who could effortlessly outmaneuver the system.
No the solution is to curtail ALL immigration, not just low skilled, until the system fixed.Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed, @Moshe, @ben tillman, @Buck Turgidson, @PiltdownMan, @Forbes
As PiltdownMan notes, the AMA is partly a culprit in the physician shortage racket. The physician shortage racket helps keep physician pay high.
A curiosity reported a few years ago noted that in the time since a new medical school opened in the US, 54 new law schools had opened, tells the story of a radical labor supply imbalance in both professions. Needless to say, the population of the US is something like 100 million greater since the last new med school opened.
A curiosity reported a few years ago noted that in the time since a new medical school opened in the US, 54 new law schools had opened, tells the story of a radical labor supply imbalance in both professions. Needless to say, the population of the US is something like 100 million greater since the last new med school opened.Replies: @Opinionator
Does the United States have enough smart native people to train as doctors if we decided to increase supply?
In San Francisco a disproportionate number of the White medical staff in the city's hospitals have Russian/Ukrainian accents. I would not be surprised if they eventually displace native born White Americans as the largest White group in San Francisco's medical field industry.Replies: @Opinionator
I just read some statistics indicating that 55% of the jobs in New York State, and 65% of the jobs Upstate, pay less than $20 and hour.
Sixty-five percent! Think about that for a moment. Twenty bucks an hour is about forty grand a year -- before taxes, of course. If 65% of the jobs pay less than that, how the hell can you get ahead when a house costs $200 grand ($600,000 to a million in the City) and a cheap car is $20k?
You can't. Clearly, a significant number of people make a cost-benefit analysis -- if they can get $40-50,000 worth of benefits from the government (Medicaid, WIC, Sec. 8, SNAP) why in hell would they take a $12 an hour job, and have to pay for Obamacare out of that? Answer: they won't.
Shut down immigration completely -- then start cutting welfare. It'll even things out.Replies: @Forbes
Upstate NY is basically a shithole of welfare state dependencies. The employment base is government at all levels (incl schools), university, hospital, public utility, government contractor (incl NGOs). This is the thirty-five percent that make more than $20/hr.
Private employment outside of small business proprietorship is virtually non-existent–those making less than $20/hr, e.g. retail, restaurant, personal services, et al.
Large existing businesses are bribed to stay with tax breaks paid for by the shrinking population–a death spiral of higher taxes that facilitates out-migration.
Upstate cities Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse have populations 40% smaller than in 1960. Albany survives, like Washington, DC, as it is greased by the vigorish of taxpayer funds that flow through the sausage-making machine.
https://twitter.com/JuliaPrestonNow/status/814199147079368704
I looked online and the employment to population ratio for AR is 56 percent which is one of the five lowest in the country. Twenty years ago it was 62 percent. The labor market could clearly use some tightening up, yet Ms. Preston repeats this "jobs Americans wont do" meme. Paul Krugman had a good line on this: there is no such thing as a job an American won't do, there are only jobs Americans wont do at a given salary.Replies: @Forbes
The open borders crowd, as reflected by the NYT’s Julia Preston, always see immigration as an either-or question, i.e. either there are open borders or the crops don’t get picked.
The typical lefty abhors such black and white distinctions, and is always looking for the nuance and complexity in the answer–it’s a conundrum.
Presumably a rhetorical question…
Actually it isn’t
Oh, btw... the Scofield heresy seems largely a Southron phenomenon. Up here in the northeastern black heart of Yankee-Judea John Hagee and his ilk are regarded as ignorant redneck relics of the old confederacy.Replies: @Desiderius
Well so is Jeff Sessions. I wouldn’t give too much credit to rank bigotry.
What's wrong with rank bigotry, anyway? Some of my favorite people are (supposedly) ANTI-SEMITES!!!
Private employment outside of small business proprietorship is virtually non-existent--those making less than $20/hr, e.g. retail, restaurant, personal services, et al.
Large existing businesses are bribed to stay with tax breaks paid for by the shrinking population--a death spiral of higher taxes that facilitates out-migration.
Upstate cities Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse have populations 40% smaller than in 1960. Albany survives, like Washington, DC, as it is greased by the vigorish of taxpayer funds that flow through the sausage-making machine.Replies: @Anon
So true, crony crapitalism. My property tax bill expands yearly, Cuomo worries about Trans gender bathrooms and window tints.
https://medium.com/mtracey/new-york-state-to-motorists-all-your-info-are-belong-to-us-b8224e2e22a9#.knjo7n8ao
You could not pay me to live in New York state.
Liberal Zionism in the Age of TrumpSo, it should be easy to dredge up examples of Breitbart's supposed "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!" from Bannon's tenure. And the one where one Jew called another Jew a "renegade Jew" doesn't count.
I'd also like examples of Breitbart's White Nationalism, racism, and misogyny, from the same period. I mean, this is supposed to be informed opinion, right?1 (Boehm gave no evidence, only bald assertion, for Trump/Bannon/Breitbart's supposed "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!) + 1 (Big Zionist Jews have embraced Bannon's appointment, not opposed it) = 2 (Boehm's wrong about Bannon).This would be a far more accurate way to put it:But enough of that, check this out:
Weeeelll, now it's getting interesting! I'm tempted not to quibble about the lack of agency implied in "living in a political contradiction," given that it's the House that Jews built.Well, she's establishing minimum standards of leftist muddle-headedness, anyway: "We are a country." See, countries can control their borders, control who is allowed to move here and become a citizen. This is quite apart from which freedoms and liberties we afford to our citizens.Interesting again! Very, very interesting!
I've been harping on this for years; Boehm and Svigor, two arch-ANTI-SEMITES!!!WTF? Did he accidentally cut and paste that in from his essay on mainstream conservatives?With the religious conversion part very much in the control of the ethnic affiliation part. Conversion's an asterisk; parenthetical; a footnote.Yyyyep.Oy Vey!There isn't one. The most effective answer is the same answer leftists give for all of their contradictory, hypocritical nonsense on race: special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history.Here's a bit of Jewish Supremacy; the Jewish guy gets to define White Christians as one big undifferentiated mass, and contrast it with Jews. Poles have faced persecutions, pogroms, and mass murder. Ukrainians have faced persecutions, pogroms, and the Holodomor. Germans have experienced plenty of religious persecution in their past, and quite a few bloody wars of religion that devastated their populations. European history is absolutely thick with this stuff. At some point, most everyone in Europe has had their ass kicked.
It's only correct to say that are wealthy, and uniquely ethnocentric, and thus have made a much bigger deal of their lachrymose history than any European group. And that Jews find any challenge or rival to that Narrative to be "sinister."I wrote my response as I read. When I wrote above about special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history, I had not yet read Boehm's special pleading, based on a leftist-hegemonic dictation of history.
P.S., the bit about Wilders' loyalty being called into question was amusing. Echoes of Trump's supposed loyalties to Russia much? It's fun to watch leftists rediscover their atrophied organs of "patriotism." Scoundrels, the lot.And flatly heretical, but what does that matter, right?Replies: @Jefferson, @FX Enderby, @Anonymous
This is a play on “Zionism in the Age of the Dictators”, a book well known to Jewish leadership but rarely mentioned around goyische earshot.
“Does the United States have enough smart native people to train as doctors if we decided to increase supply?”
In San Francisco a disproportionate number of the White medical staff in the city’s hospitals have Russian/Ukrainian accents. I would not be surprised if they eventually displace native born White Americans as the largest White group in San Francisco’s medical field industry.
Sessions is great, so is Svigor. I reflexively defend the Southern Man against charges of ignorance. However, I am disgusted by megachurch frauds who spread the heretical Scofield doctrine of Jew-worship while raking in Jew megabucks on Jewish owned “Christian” TV networks. Seems largely a Southern thing, to the great shame of the South.
What’s wrong with rank bigotry, anyway? Some of my favorite people are (supposedly) ANTI-SEMITES!!!
I think both your name and ideas are being floated closer to the mainstream. Still doubleplusungood crimethink. But way more easy to spot people influenced by you.
In San Francisco a disproportionate number of the White medical staff in the city's hospitals have Russian/Ukrainian accents. I would not be surprised if they eventually displace native born White Americans as the largest White group in San Francisco's medical field industry.Replies: @Opinionator
Jeez, what has happened to us?
And the latest from Cuomo is license plate scanners at Hudson River crossings because Safety.
https://medium.com/mtracey/new-york-state-to-motorists-all-your-info-are-belong-to-us-b8224e2e22a9#.knjo7n8ao
You could not pay me to live in New York state.