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A friend writes:

Is it a coincidence that only a few years after essentially legalizing marijuana that America, and the demographics that have historically rolled the most joints, should enter into a paranoiac’s psychotic meltdown?

 
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  1. Kronos says:

    I’m still waiting on black conspiracy theories on military UN white helicopters.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  2. I’d suggest this isn’t the case. As anecdotal evidence, and a way of being transparent that my opinion is biased, I’ve smoked a lot of weed over the years, and have friends that have as well, without becoming insane or delusional (at least I hope not…)

    However, that’s just one data point, so it doesn’t prove anything. I would suggest that the fallacy in your friend’s hypothesis is the assumption of a correlation between the legal status of marijuana and the prevalence of its use. A quick check on the prevalence of marijuana usage by high school students shows a peak in the late 70s, a low in the early 90s, and relatively steady levels for the past 20 years. So, I would suggest that there hasn’t been a rise in use of marijuana by teens that could lead to the mass psychosis we see now.

    My alternative theory would be the use of social media and electronic devices. I notice in myself a decrease in attention span and attempt to limit my use of electronic devices, and I was fortunate because I grew up in the analog world only really starting having exposure to computers, etc. as an adult. The current crop of young people is the first generation exposed to social media and iPhones since birth. Waldorf schools have a lot of hippie ideas, but I think there is one idea they have that is really worth considering: keeping children away from electronic media. The idea is that children develop neural networks until puberty. Exposure to electronic media mean that’s only visual and aural neural networks are developed, which can cause people to have short attention spans and undeveloped thinking when older. Sound familiar?

  3. No sports for diversion, no jobs in many cases, cabin fever seem like better guesses.

  4. Didn’t Carly Simon predict this?

    Antifa Nation
    Antifa Nay-ay-tion
    is making me weight

  5. Anon[406] • Disclaimer says:

    I think weed played a part in decisions such as not getting off the highway at night when a car is coming, and deciding to plant a garden in the middle of a street, and not getting out of the way when a toppling statue is coming towards you.

    Those are not logical decisions.

    Of course, it could always have been massive stupidity.

  6. newrouter says:

    ot please help with this conundrum :

    1) “snitches get stitches”

    2) “silence = violence”

    • Agree: JimDandy
  7. Com’on, Steve. Overstating the ill effects of pot, and under-assigning blame where it’s due–the teachers, from elementary through university, they have pushing this narrative for the last 20-30 years. That’s why everyone under 30 is insane.

    Just watch the following interview with Moldbug and someone named Justin Murphy. Moldbug took the brave step of questioning anti-racism in UR, and this Murphy fellow claims to be based. But they both still literally sneer when they say “racist”. It is so deeply ingrained from childhood that can’t drill down to questioning it, even for Moldbug who manages to question everything else about modernity. “Racism” is how you signal status now. Tatoos, too tight clothes, beards, and despising “racism”.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    , @fnn
  8. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Ask Alex Berenson.

  9. Bill B. says:

    Peter Hitchens is convinced that regular and somewhat heavy marijuana use can drive people crazy. He blames it for many high-profile killings including, in the UK, by Jihadi murderers.

    If you scroll through his blog you will find reams of information on this. I happen to be suspicious of any easy non-Islamic explanation for Jihadi killing but I’ve certainly known heavy users’ obviously go into decline.

    https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/06/if-i-ever-feel-the-need-to-have-several-nice-cold-buckets-of-slime-tipped-over-my-head-i-point-out-that-most-of-the-supposed.html

    (Hitchens has written on the book that Patrick Cockburn, of these parts, wrote about his young son who smoked marijuana heavily and lost his mind.)

    • Agree: a guy named me
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    , @Jake
    , @Kyle
  10. PaceLaw says:

    Even though many African-Americans (where you at Snoop??? Lol!) definitely love ganja/Mary Jane, etc., I don’t believe that’s the locus of our current instability.

    The quarantine/downtime suffered by so many, followed by mass unemployment, in addition to being regularly manipulated by the mainstream-media/CNN, has led many blacks (Blacks?) to act out as if children on a sugar high. The regular chanting of Black Lives Matter! by many blacks (Blacks?), even if they don’t know what the actual organization stands for, speaks to this point. A lot of blacks (Blacks?) that I know have zero-understanding of the true goals of the political organization BLM due to its amorphous nature. Perhaps that is the true genius of the organization. It can be damn-near all things to every demographic.

  11. 22pp22 says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    I get to see the effects of the overuse of pot in my life renting out properties to “challenged” people. If you smoke enough of it, it leaves you a hollowed out shell of a human being, easily suggestible with a limited ability to tell fantasy from reality.

    In my former incarnation as a geology student, I used to go bush bashing in search of interesting geological features. It never ceased to amaze me where you woud find little plantations of weed hidden from prying eyes. The demand must be immense.

    Heroin will kill you; weed will turn you into an SJW. I am not sure which is worse.

    The problems of the Western world are the three Ds – diversity, debt and drugs. They feed off each other.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Disagree: GoRedWings!
  12. Brain washing is a more likely factor. Nazi Germany had Hitler Youth, and liberal western society now has Liberal Youth. Take a young person with relatively liberal parents who is inclined towards left-liberal views, and then bombard them with post modern left wing views and shelter them from any contradictory views. Result, a left-liberal fanatic who is incapable of self-reflection, having a chuckle at their own expense, or listening to others with even mildly conflicting views.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  13. Voltarde says:

    Drug abuse? Insanity? Paranoia? Psychosis?

    These are serious problems that deserve the attention of America’s drug addiction researchers.

    Drug addiction researchers who are led by the great-grand-daughter of Leon Trotsky.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Volkow

    Evidently her father, Vsevolod (Esteban) Volkov, was until recently (2016) the custodian of the Trotsky Museum in Mexico City. He’d be about 94 years old now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinaida_Volkova (Trotsky’s daughter by his first wife)

    Hard to imagine the Bolsheviks winning the Russian civil war after the 1917 revolution without Trotsky’s villainy.

    A red-diaper pedigree no doubt open many doors at critical junctures during Dr. Volkow’s professional career that would never have been opened for other equally promising American researchers. Not to detract from Dr. Volkow’s professional accomplishments, but wouldn’t Mexico (where she was born and raised) be in greater need of her expertise?

    It’s also curious to see Dr. Volkow showered with identity-politics-type awards when during her tenure at the NIDA America’s drug abuse problems have become much worse. I’m pretty sure that the organizations that made those awards considered her infamous ancestor “a feature, not a bug”.

  14. J. Farmer says:

    I’ve encountered a number of paranoid psychotics in my career, and looting a Louis Vuitton isn’t the usual MO.

  15. I think pot–and not a pothead, don’t smoke the stuff–has nothing to do with it.

    A couple of the points NJTC and Chris made–social media and the propaganda from the education system–are clearly a huge part of it.

    But i think the driver is “minoritarianism meets reality” in the post-Obama age.

    Blacks have been pickled for the last 50 years in minoritarianism–they are fine and their problems are “discrimination” and big bad whitey. But up to Obama it was plausible to see some sort of trend of increased acceptance, less racism, loosening of “the power structure” and that it was going to be great. But then whites went and voted Obama into office. They finally had “a black man in charge”. And guess what? … It didn’t “fix it”, did not in fact change much of anything.

    Because as we all know, neither whites, nor “the system” are the problem. But admitting that the problem lies with blacks themselves is simply not acceptable nor even thinkable–even mainstream culture, taken over by minoritarianism objects to such thinking. So … what’s left?

    Obama’s presidency deflated hope. Even having their guy doesn’t help. Insidious hidden forces–“structural racism” must be holding the black man down.

    Then Trump’s election blew it up. Especially with “elite” media–“elite” black media/opinion–waving the bloody shirt, sounding the alarm. The racists are coming! The racists are coming!

    BLM is the entirely natural and logical result of minoritarianism.

    Blacks are a virtuous minority … yet they aren’t performing well … which can only be the fault of the oppressive white majority. Reform has been tried, but even a black president couldn’t do it … the oppressors are just too insidious and embedded in everywhere … in the very structure of America. Time to blow the bitch up!

  16. Anon[406] • Disclaimer says:

    All protestors who are arrested need to be drug tested as well. Someone ought to do a paper on it. The results would be interesting.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  17. Pot is part of the main tendency in western societies: Feels over facts; regression, self-pity (grievance -“expertise” (studies even…)).

    What’s the hen and what the egg doesn’t matter. Its a syndrome – the above-listed factors all work together quite nicely.

    • Replies: @J. Farmer
  18. It’s a tempting theory, but we’ve seen this before. Revolutions happen and bizarre social trends take place.

    French Revolution, Russian Revolution, witch burnings in Europe, Puritan whackjobery, the Thirty Years War in the heart of Europe that killed a third of Germany in the 1600s.

    We could list a 100 more.

  19. @newrouter

    Simple. The first is actual fact, which you’ll never see on protest signs.
    The second is written everywhere, and is unrelated to actual fact.

  20. @Bill B.

    Alex Berenson wrote a well-researched book in which he argues that Marijuana is no problem for most people. And probably beneficial for some others. But maybe 5% of the population are in serious danger of suffering a psychotic break after using it.

    These people may have an underlying issue that could have eventually manifested anyway. But marijuana seems to be a trigger.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Anon
    , @dfordoom
  21. Is it Kantian to think ideas precede behavior? On average, a culture is the enaction of certain ideas as manifested by behavior. Impulsivity – drugs, crime, hedonism – is a symptom of the idea that the future will be worse than the present. In economics, a heavy discounted time preference.

    Obviously, at the fringe, people will behave without consideration of cultural norms, but it’s not uncommon for totally normal people to act out really illogical ideas – witch hunts, tulip mania, communism. The current culture is ripe with people kicking down Chesterton’s picket fences. Turns out, exposing people to whatever ideas drive contemporary politics – woke capital, school, government, news media – has a self destructive effect on the body politick. I’m not suggesting people not expose themselves to ideas so much as ideas should be considered as having embedded consequences. If your ideas manifest hysteria, fear, violence, maybe you need new ideas.

    In short, for a lot of people, dope isn’t the cause of hysteria it’s the solution.

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @Ray P
  22. BLM is the dopey, incompetent African version of the Meiji Restoration. (IOW it’s a belated frantic attempt to catch up with and deal with modernity. Thankfully we won’t get a Pacific War out of it.)

    But of course being African, it’s a cargo-cult version of Meiji. I keep waiting for the black Yoshida Shoin to emerge, but either he doesn’t, or else when he does it’s a clown-car version. The guy over at The Root who writes petulantly under the nom de guerre “Very Smart Brothas” cracks me up. First of all, it’s rude to pour your own sake: somebody else has to call you very smart, you can’t give yourself the Oscar. And second of all, if you call yourself “very smart” then you have to actually say something very smart, which he never does. And thirdly, you just tagged this pablum as “Very Smart”. If this is all you got, and this stuff is “very smart” by your standards, then what are we supposed to conclude?

    Black intellectualism nearly always turns out to be cargo-cult intellectualism.

    Step one: Read the short stories of Langston Hughes, the Harlem Renaissance literary icon, the pinnacle of African literary respectability. A guy who I actually like, in his way.

    Step two: Now read the stories of Frank O’Connor.

    You see the difference? You see the problem?

  23. J. Farmer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    “feels over facts” is the main tendency in every society.

  24. LondonBob says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Weed these days is a lot stronger than the stuff they smoked in the seventies, super skunk as it is called here. When you are a heavy cannabis user you don’t notice your own odd behaviour, others do though.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  25. @BenKenobi

    The theory is incorrect.

    I dunno, check out how this dude reacts when a cop shows up:

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  26. @AnotherDad

    Like Dennis Miller, I blame Obama’s white half.

  27. Unlikely.

    Far more likely is the crap coming from the Megaphone all day every day, with formerly serious media outlets talking about white racism and Trump’s racism as Settled Science, the few white on black murders (or even not murders like Trayvon and the Gentle Giant) given 24/7 coverage and the many black on white murders memoryholed (for a UK example the discrepancies between the Stephen Lawrence and Kriss Donald murders).

    A week or two ago a young Yorkshireman by the extremely Yorkshire name of Bradley Gledhill was stabbed to death in the formerly extremely Yorkshire town of Heckmondwike, of the 8 people arrested, some juveniles, we see un-Yorkshire names like Usman Karolia, Ahmed Karolia and Raja Nawaz.

    You have to look for this news, it was never on the front page of BBC Leeds.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-53179863

    Three defendants have appeared in court charged with the murder of a man who was stabbed to death in a street fight.

    Bradley Gledhill, 20, from Heckmondwike, died after the attack in Batley, West Yorkshire, on Sunday night.

    Usman Karolia, 19, Ahmed Karolia, 23, both of of Lime Tree Avenue, Batley, and Raja Nawaz, 18, of Longfield Road, Heckmondwike, appeared at Leeds Magistrates’ Court.

    They were all remanded in custody.

    The three men were also charged with the attempted murder of two other men who suffered serious injuries during the fight.

    The three men were also charged with the attempted murder of two other men who suffered serious injuries during the fight.

    A “street fight” is quite possibly the BBC description of white people being jumped by an armed gang and attempting to defend themselves. The Pakistani community aren’t generally that keen on even odds, as Henry Webster could tell you if the brain damage allows.

    https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/1951291.schoolboy-relives-horror-of-hammer-attack/

    • Agree: Gordo
  28. Richard B says:

    One thing’s for sure. The increased use of marijuana has led to significant memory loss.

    Not only that, but the increased use of marijuana has led to significant memory loss.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  29. @J. Farmer

    “feels over facts” is the main tendency in every society.

    Its Jesus – or Buddha, basically. What isn’t understood is, that you can well believe in such a – preference. You have to cultivate it hough if you want it to work. – That’s what made Christianity a success-story. And that’s the part, which is mostly forgotten or neglected or overseen or underestimated nowadays…

    PS

    Seen historically, science was another way to cultivate this feels over facts-meme – in methodologically sound ways. And that is going overboard now too. A big crossroads being marked by Stephen Jay Gould and the New York Times since roughly The Mismeasure of Men.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
  30. They were already in the paranoic meltdown. Not so much all the white yewts who joined them recently, though.

  31. @J. Farmer

    VTO EDWIN DENBY

    I’m so much more me,
    That you are perfectly you.
    What you have clearly said,
    Is yet in me unmade.

    I’m so much more me,
    As Time ticks in our ceilings,
    That you are perfectly you:
    Your deep and lightning feelings.

    And I see in the flashes
    What you have clearly said:
    That feelings are our facts.
    As yet in me unmade.

    — Frank O’Hara

    Denby was a dance critic, known for the clarity and lucidity of his style. O’Hara was of course an intellectual and artistic omnivore, arguably the best writer of the American twentieth century. Certainly one of the funniest. Watch what he does in this poem, as both a Latinist and a Francophone, playing and toying with the French-Latin-English interface of “facts” and “made” and “perfect.” You do realize these words are related.

    Denby and O’Hara both lived in a hifalutin, rarified, exceedingly cultured, gay, over-educated hyper class, which was Admission By Merit Only. They could afford the luxury of saying Feelings are our facts.

    The problem is, consumerist mainstream America wants access to this luxury as well, but it’s a luxury they haven’t earned, and can’t earn.

    O’Hara was a Massachussetts farm boy who grew up playing Rachmaninoff, struggled with gayness in a hostile environment, served in the Navy in the Pacific War, taught himself multiple languages, studied music theory at Harvard, roomed with Edward Gorey, knew pretty much all of English and French poetry, fucked half of New York City, and wrote the funniest poetry since Catullus. You do all that, and you get the right to say “Feelings are our facts.” Everybody else: tea break’s over, back on your heads.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  32. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Waldorf schools have a lot of hippie ideas, but I think there is one idea they have that is really worth considering: keeping children away from electronic media. The idea is that children develop neural networks until puberty. Exposure to electronic media mean that’s only visual and aural neural networks are developed, which can cause people to have short attention spans and undeveloped thinking when older. Sound familiar?

    Agreed. As I’ve read on numerous occasions, the complexity & functionality of neural networks is highly correlated with reading, especially in the formative period which lasts until somewhere around puberty (yes, that long).

    If you don’t read, you have a greater chance to be below average in mental (and probably some other) capabilities.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  33. Nice theory. But isn’t it more likely that black people have been told for decades now that they’re equal, when they are conspicuously not? (I don’t insist on anything innate, but by most measures that count for success they simply don’t measure up as things are now.) As Christopher Caldwell illustrates so well in his book “The Age of Entitlement,” beginning with Brown v. Board of Education (1954) and accelerating in the 1960s with the Great Society laws, white Americans enacted laws to coerce themselves into integrating more and more with black Americans. Coercion has had results, some good, some bad. But coercion can only do so much. I see today’s hysteria as a frustration, an exasperation, with the present state of affairs and a determination to increase the coercion level as high as it takes to effect perfect equality (whatever that might mean). In short, Americans’ feeling of guilt toward blacks only goes so far; at some point white people’s natural aversion to blacks kicks in. This is what the BLM madness is trying to overcome. Any relaxation toward freedom of association would ruin everything; that is why cancellation, shaming, coercion, censorship etc. are necessary.

    • Replies: @anonymous1963
  34. Jesse says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Nah. Actual THC ingestion is higher than it’s ever been. Capitalism being what it is, the manufacturers and sellers have responded to de facto legalization by making it ever stronger. They’ve also gotten around laws limiting how much THC can be in a serving by deciding that, say, a gummy bear is four servings.

    The comparison between the weed of the 70s and of now makes no sense. Then, they were sharing the equivalent of a beer between them. Now, they’re each doing multiple shots, each day, and getting several units of alcohol where they could reasonably assume it’s just the one.

    You can claim that it doesn’t have to be that way, but combining legalization with *not* letting industry do whatever it wants isn’t something anyone seems to have planned for, in any context.

  35. Pericles says:

    The white left spends appreciable time on ‘mental health issues’, ‘safe spaces’, ‘SSRIs’, etc, as well as the more extreme forms of bizarreness like ‘gay’, ‘non-binary’ and all that. Had it still existed, a considerable number of them might well be in the loony bin instead of on the streets destroying society.

    • LOL: Muggles
  36. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Or maybe this is the year that the money runs out, the music stops and we see who gets a chair and who doesn’t, the cities (world wide) become incapable of supporting their current population as trade breaks down and infrastructure decays, and there is no place for quite a few people to go.

    Including the SJWs, who have tried very hard to conform to the norms given them by their very expensive college education, norms from people who care about their students about as much as an archer cares about the arrows he shoots. Poor SOBs are doomed.

    Analogies:

    From folk wisdom (WW II ditty)
    “When in danger, fear, or doubt
    Run in circles, scream and shout!”
    and the 2020 addendum:
    take some MJ or whatever (even ethanol will do) to kill the fear.

    From history:

    The Chinese Red Guards, who had no education and were thus unemployable except as unskilled labor after the Cultural Revolution ended. (Yu Hua, _China in Ten Words_)

    The Kamakazi pilot who, after taking off, strafed the reviewing officials before flying off to his attack?

    Is the present tumult ghost dancing? (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Dance)

    moritūrī tē salūtant?

  37. Puremania says:

    Berenson does establish that there is a channel between marijuana and psychosis and violence. Also, both the British Journal of Psychiatry and Nature (under Molecular Psychiatry) have articles that show a causal relationship from pot use to schizophrenia. Additionally, I myself have seen strange, out-of-the-blue episodes of serious aggression from ganja users, including one in Hawaii between two pothead bandmates who suddenly woke up and started beating the hell out of each other for no apparent reason.
    I don’t know if legalization has increased weed use, but it can definitely make some people crazy. Cypress Hill put it perfectly:
    Insane in the membrane!
    Insane in the brain!

  38. Coemgen says:

    Is it a coincidence that only a few years after essentially legalizing marijuana that America, and the demographics that have historically rolled the most joints, should enter into a paranoiac’s psychotic meltdown?

    Yeah, the way marihuana became de facto legal has contributed to my sense of paranoia.

    Where I live, the legalization of marihuana appeared to be by fiat. It was also accompanied with towns in my locality suddenly dropping their anti-packaged alcohol sales laws (also apparently by fiat).

    By fiat.

    Who has this kind of power?

  39. Thoughts says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I agree with London Bob

    Weed destroys the brain…

    Your writing, whether you know it or not, is super wordy almost to the point of confusing the reader.

    That’s The Weed Babes.

    I’ve seen that type of writing in other weed users, yet they never got around to making a point because their IQ wasn’t as high.

  40. Altai says:
    @alaska3636

    The one firm consistency in countries SJW madness is media priming. There are many other factors and some countries may possess populations that are just genetically incapable of some SJWism due to low genetic ceilings for outgroup empathy, but it really is a media grooming campaign.

  41. Jake says:

    Marijuana Psychosis exists.: see especially Alex Berenson. The Elites know that Marijuana Psychosis is real. Legal marijuana is something they can use: a Soma.

    • Agree: Gordo
  42. Jake says:
    @Bill B.

    Yes, most Moslem murder groups, those that are religious jihadi as well as those that are just organized crime, use marijuana as a key part of getting the mind right to slaughter.

    So do countless black Africans.

    Khat addiction is epidemic in both East Africa (Somalia for example) and the Arabian Peninsula.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  43. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Agreed. It remaps (incorrectly) the brain. We have a generation of youth (20 and under) that has zero attention span, continuously run thru a feedback loop of negative emotions and a need for instant gratification. This manifests through increasing polarization, coupled with a complete inability to intellectually process new or contrary information.

    Also, if you look at the black community in the hood there is a lot of incest, with many 2nd, 3rd 4th and 5th cousins, generation after generation, having babies together–never having any idea that they share the same g-grandfather, or ggg, or gggfather, etc. The IQ is going down further, as is impulse control and future time orientation.

  44. @LondonBob

    >Weed these days is a lot stronger than the stuff they smoked in the seventies, super skunk as it is called here. When you are a heavy cannabis user you don’t notice your own odd behaviour, others do though.

    I call bs on this assertion. Marijuana is self-limiting when smoked (titration), not so if ingested. 90% plus of marijuana is smoked. So average “strength” of marijuana then and now is a distinction without a difference.

    Marijuana influenced behavior varies just like alcohol: good drunks, bad drunks, mean drunks, benevolent drunks und so weiter. Somehow marijuana inhibits short-term memory and permits those who seek it more “cosmic” cerebration, picking up the thread of one’s main thought(s). In other words, marijuana permits a return to long-term cerebration employed when working on something which has become drowned out by the distractions of short-term cerebration.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  45. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    FACT: Marijuana WILL make you violently kill your mother with a hatchet.

  46. As a lifelong cannabis fan from Detriot, I have observed that the active cannabinoids in marijuana effect negroes and whites differently (surprise!). Negroes tend to become more excitable and boisterous while whites tend to become glued to their couches and giggly.

    But, the legalization of cannabis has had virtually zero effect on the urban negro. He always had unimpeded access to weed. And the price of government taxed legal weed is as much as 100% higher than the identical weed on the Black Market.

    Where this hypothesis may fit is in the realm of the suburban white mutant freak from which springs the SJW. These sheltered snowflakes (and their parents) always struggled for their weed supply and now they can have it delivered in 30 minutes or less.

  47. DNA strands from “a previously unknown hominid.”

  48. Dr. X says:

    Is it a coincidence that only a few years after essentially legalizing marijuana that America

    “Essentially” is the key word here. It was never legalized; the Supreme Court has ruled that Federal drug laws are still in effect. The states that have legalized it have basically given the Feds the middle finger and the Feds backed down on most enforcement:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

    Now, you can argue that Federal marijuana laws are based on a bogus interpretation of the commerce clause (but so are Federal gun laws). Bu if that is so they should be repealed, not openly subverted.

    The connection between weed and leftist rioting is that the power of the law has been weakened and subverted, and the Left knows they can defy it with impunity.

  49. @Kronos

    Alex Berenson has been arguing for some time that today’s pot is more potent and dangerous than the pot from yesteryear.
    Is he right?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Kronos
  50. @NJ Transit Commuter

    I’ve smoked a lot of weed over the years, and have friends that have as well, without becoming insane or delusional (at least I hope not…)

    I’ve never met or heard of anyone bugging out after consuming cannabis. On the other hand, my peers and I went through a phase where we did a lot of LSD and we did see a couple of weak minded tools freak out and never really return to their original mental state.

    It’s important that we acknowledge that psychotropics weed out the mentally weak. We also need to recognize the profusion of designer drugs we didn’t have back in our youths. Kids today are buying Chinese “research chemicals” from corner c-stores. Pile this atop the pandemic of prescription drugs given to kids to “treat” ADHD, depression, anxiety, etc, and I think what we are seeing is largely explained.

    It’s not the weed.

  51. Anon[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    The heavy use of screens plus educational experiments. In many public (and private) American schools, kids are now taught reading using the whole-word method, instead of the traditional “sound it out”.

    “Sound it out” meant teaching how to read, syllable by syllable, vowel pairs, advanced spelling (how many ways to spell a long “e”), etc. There are very few “sight” words. The brain was trained to think while looking at a word, and even the eye was taught sustained left-to-right movement.

    Whole word method goes like this: “Look at the beginning of the word, look at the end, look at the picture, make a guess.” Huge lists of sight words, little spelling. Hence “annihilation” and “animation” or “horse” and “hearse” are confused. After 3rd grade, when the poor kid can’t keep memorizing sight words, he muddles through as best he can and becomes an audiovisual creature.

    I believe the failure rate of the “whole word” method is 40%. Appalling.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    , @Peterike
  52. SFG says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    If all kinds of drugs can have idiosyncratic reactions that are lethal to 5% or 1% of people who take them, why not marijuana?

  53. Peterike says:

    Whenever you see photo collages of white Antifa types, they all look like stoners.

    So pot could be a problem but my guess is it’s on the White-Hispanic-Asian side of BLM just as much as the black side.

  54. fnn says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Yeah, but isn’t BLM state doctrine?

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  55. fnn says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Moldbug is open about being very pro-Israel, so he knows racism is a good thing.

  56. It’s the schools, with a side order of films and TV. But mainly the schools.

    Sure, conservatives have been grumbling about schools for 30 years or so, perhaps longer but it was just before my time.

    Really committed right wingers then took their kids out of the schools and started the whole home schooling, charter schooling, private schooling thing. As a result, they stopped caring, but most kids remained in the public schools. When was Peter Brimelow’s book about public education released, the mid-90s? Yes, it was more about the teachers union, before the two issues go hand-in-hand. Right wingers moved on from the education insanity to other things.

    Now, like 17 year cicadas who dwell underground for nearly 20 years before bursting forth with their ear splitting racket, kids educated after the turn of the century are running riot.

    The same analysis applies to the colleges. Again, they’ve had their standard crazies since the late 60s, but the mandatory “diversity brainwashing,” as in required material even for engineering students, didn’t start until around 1989-91, when I was there. Sure, it was mainly regarded as a joke, but these NYT editors and loony opinionistas came from somewhere.

    Finally, I use the advent in 2009 of the TV “Glee,” basically a gay high school musical, as a watershed. Impressionable girls absolutely loved that program. Right wingers pretty much gave up on the “culture wars” after 9/11, moving on to starting real wars and various money lending schemes (mortgage melt down). Meanwhile, the kiddies were watching this stuff. And going to public schools.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  57. JimDandy says:

    True, true, but I heard that BLM activists are 6-1 white. Weed is only one of the many powerful chemicals swirling around in most liberal arts students’ brains today. The cocktails of meds and weed they take would put George Floyd’s toxicology report to shame.

    Think of all the school shooters with anti-depressants, etc. in their systems. Not every addled punk has the commitment to create another Columbine, but rioting with BLM/Antifa provides the perfect outlet.

    PS

    A very strange thing happened during Illinois’ daily televised Covid report yesterday. The top health official in the state was asked about the first teen to die of Covid there. A reporter asked if the the teen had any underlying conditions. The top health official in Illinois replied:

    “I just want to be clear in terms of the definition of people dying of Covid. The case definition is very simplistic. Even if you died of a clear alternate cause but you had Covid at the same time, it’s still listed as a Covid death, so everyone who is listed as a Covid death, that doesn’t mean that was the cause of the death…. If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have Covid, that would be counted as a Covid death.”

    So what I’m telling you is, George Floyd died of Covid.

  58. @22pp22

    No, this is classic selection bias. You rent to potheads who are already losers before adding the pot on top of it. Lots of people smoke pot and keep their lives together. Plus, there are plenty of SJWs who don’t smoke pot. Wokism is the education system, not drugs.

    • Agree: botazefa, Muggles
  59. Wilkey says:

    Is it a coincidence that only a few years after essentially legalizing marijuana that America, and the demographics that have historically rolled the most joints, should enter into a paranoiac’s psychotic meltdown?

    No, not a coincidence. In fact it’s probably why the Left has been pushing so hard for the legalization of weed. It makes people more inclined to adopt attitudes favored by the Left, among them an almost complete indifference to the desire to procreate.

    I’ve known a fair number of routine cannabis users, and I can’t think of one of them who is conservative or Republican.

  60. slumber_j says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    relatively steady levels for the past 20 years

    Okay, but are we talking about high-school kids here? I have no idea what the putative regulations are regarding that drug in the clown world we now inhabit, but I’m guessing weed dispensaries aren’t really supposed to sell it to people under 21 or some such age…

    In any case, it’s my very strong belief that people’s reactions to mj are extremely diverse. I can’t stand the stuff: it renders me even stupider than I normally am and aphonic to boot. No paranoia, nor hallucinations, nor anything even remotely pleasant, just utter retardation and an inability to interact with other people. Your mileage definitely does vary.

    I strongly agree about the electronics by the way, and social media is an absolute soul-destroyer–a madness-inducing echo chamber. And they’re all on it.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  61. slumber_j says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I stand in awe of this comment. Very smart.

  62. I think movements like BLM are an inevitable consequence of civilization.

    Young people no longer work on farms so they have no concept that actions have real world consequences, both short and long term.

    They believe they control everything by their actions and ideas, which means they must parade around in a shield of virtue. If they worked close to nature they would learn quickly that sometimes bad weather just happens, and there is little you can do about it–and more importantly, nature could not care less about your “feelings”.

    On the farm you learn quickly that hard work is necessary, and you must be grateful for any help, from others or nature, that comes your way.

    Large cities, mass media and cell phones push people further away from nature.

    Homo sapiens has become a duck out of water.

    We were not designed for urban civilization, so folks are just going insane.

  63. Methamphetamine use strongly correlates with and/or causes psychosis. Meth use is also associated with schizophrenia. Pot is mostly harmless, other than heavy users are non-entities essentially nullifying their existence in a permanent stupor.

  64. @Clifford Brown

    Steve’s “paranoiac’s psychotic meltdown” friend?

  65. @NJ Transit Commuter

    “My alternative theory”

    The obsessive use of electronic devices and the time spent on soul-killing social media platforms is the end of humanity. Our brave new transhuman world is here. But maybe this will be better: Humanity has always been kind of shitty.

    “I was fortunate because I grew up in the analog world”

    Me too. Present day kids live mostly in the corrupting online world. Their hand computers are their best friends.

  66. Anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Wasn’t his main point about psychosis/dis functionality being way above 5%?

  67. @alt right moderate

    “Brain washing is a more likely factor”

    Critical Theory narrows the world and dulls the mind. It’s the worst kind of drug.

  68. Not pot.

    The answer is Susan Rosenberg.

  69. Sean says:
    @newrouter

    1) The opposite of the truth. It is facially unmarked (done no dangerous jail or medium level prison in with young lifers who bust you up) ostensibly successful criminals who are police informers, because they get the inestimable advantage of cases against them dropped, tacit permission to deal drugs, ECT ECT. The most dramatic illustration is Whitey Bulger, who was allowed to commit scores of murders because he was giving up Mafia members to the FBI.

    2) Also untrue. Being silent makes you isolated and nervous. Sexual activity makes you violent though (the same group of neurons are activated). It is perhaps not entirely coincidental that a whole lot of porn has been watched in the last 100 days and the BLM demos had many young women in attendance. Extraversion is part of the male toolkit for mating success.

  70. Cortes says:
    @22pp22

    This isn’t real?

    Say it ain’t so!

  71. @newrouter

    If you are White, whatever you do is wrong. You can be cancelled, arrested, killed, at any moment.

  72. res says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Worth remembering that the crazy behavior happens at the margins. Both in response to weed and the worst BLM acting out.

    I would say taking a look at the typical bad weed response at +2 SD frequency (about 2 in 100) would be worthwhile. How bad is it?

    Also worth remembering that there is probably not a single factor explanation. The COVD-19 coopup is probably more important, but the weed theory might be a partial explanation.

  73. @PaceLaw

    Replace “blacks” with “women and slaves” and you have the rise of Christianity.

    1 Corinthians 9:19: It can be damn-near all things to every demographic.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  74. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Saul Bellow had an op-ed in the first days of the “end dead white male curriculum” movement, where he said (paraphrase) “I’d really WOULD like to read the African Proust. But where is he?”

  75. fish says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    BLM is the dopey, incompetent African version of the Meiji Restoration. (IOW it’s a belated frantic attempt to catch up with and deal with modernity. Thankfully we won’t get a Pacific War out of it.)

    ….might get a civil war out of it!

    Not sure that’s the US needs that given every other issue that we are dealing with right now. Or maybe it’s just what we need right now……clear away any lingering ambiguities!

  76. Michael S says:

    Inability to remember more than 5-10 years of the past tends to lead to insane and ridiculous theories.

    This isn’t something that started just a few years ago. The trends go back very, very far. What’s happening now is that progressive discourse and progressive institutions are getting progressively dumber every year, to the point where even a lot of average people can clearly see how the sausage is being made – but it’s the same sausage we’ve been eating for centuries.

    There wasn’t some magical black-swan event that changed everything in 2015 or 2008 or 1980 or even 1865. It’s a very simple, exponential trend that’s been going on since long before any of our parents were born. Stop looking for easy answers.

    • Agree: GoRedWings!
  77. @Dieter Kief

    Regression and transcendence are not the same thing. Buddha and Jesus did the latter, though regression is part of it, such as during the 40 days in the desert.

    Also, pot affects people differently. For many, it makes them over-think. I don’t buy that it is related to these riots at all. Nor to the obvious rise in borderline psychosis.

    Instead, it is sheltering, alienation and the very core of the progressive ideology, which encourages it.

    I suppose that mistaking transcendence for regression, and, therefore pushing regression on the young, is a key problem, which is also related to the above.

  78. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    I’ve been wondering about this. Portland is the most stoned and most woke place at the same time. Pot has been legal for a few years now, and the period coincides with a slide into the present mania.

    But I’ve also wondered about all the other drugs, prescription and illicit, that are being used.
    Our elites are taking all manner of prescription drugs now. Are anti-depressants contributing to the madness of our elites, for instance?

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  79. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    The pot kids smoke today ain’t your dad’s pot. It’s synthesized, it’s eugenically enhanced, and it’s extremely concentrated. I enjoyed occasional pot smoking in my late teens. After a while it stopped doing anything for me, and clearly affected my short term memory, so I just stopped smoking it, aside from an occasional party once in a while.

    Cut to me in my late forties. A friend offers some up, I think “Eh. It’s been twenty years. Why not?” My friend, who was an almost daily pot smoker said, “just take two drags. No more.” I think to myself, “two drags? I used to smoke an entire joint on my own with no problem.” So I take four drags. My friend says, “I told you, man, just two…”

    About 5 minutes later, I was going through a state of paranoia to beat the band. Fortunately, because I’d sampled various different drugs by that time, and knew my way around altered states, and thanks to my nature, I was able to successfully steer my way out of it eventually, but it wasn’t fun. It was an ordeal. It was intense. I thought, “why the fuck would ANYbody voluntarily choose to smoke this hell?” My short-term memory was for shit for the next two days,

    Well… I voluntarily chose to do it a few years later. This time it was offered up by another friend. Bona fide pothead. Professional creative. He’s been smoking since his teens and smokes regularly. I thought, “maybe last time, that guy just had some bad pot. This time, I’ll just take ONE puff, and see what happens.” Same shit. Same paranoia. Just less intense. Not pleasant.

    Now this particular friend smokes it because it enhances his creativity. His creativity is how he makes money, and it seems to work great for him, even in his fifties, so I get that.

    But for me… noooo.

    I’ve done fine with LSD. I’m great with mushrooms. Never had a “bad trip” with any drugs, and I’m a pretty “up” kinda guy. No problem with being amongst people, no probs public speaking, but today’s pot… kicks my ass to the curb every which way. I know professional comedy people who live on it. Their lives revolve around it. I wish it had that affect on me. I’d love to be in a dynamic creative state and laughing all the time. It just has the opposite affect on me.

    So… Steve’s suspicion that it might be a significant contributor to our current state of affairs seems highly likely to me. Just as ridiculous doses of LSD was a significant factor during the extended “summer of love” period. See the first few episodes of “The Monkees,” before they were introduced to LSD, and then watch “Head.”

    LSD did that. Like pot is now, it wasn’t the only factor, but it was a significant contributor. Some brands of pot today should require a doctors prescription. Handing this shit out to any 20-something twit who wants it is a very foolish plan.

    I’m glad I’m not alone on this:

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  80. @Wilkey

    I’m a conservative who enjoys cannabis, but then I’ve always been a little different.

  81. @PaceLaw

    “The quarantine/downtime suffered by so many, followed by mass unemployment, in addition to being regularly manipulated by the mainstream-media/CNN, has led many blacks (Blacks?) to act out as if children on a sugar high”

    With emphasis on the quarantine and corresponding isolation, though the other two proposals factor in too–and it applies not only to the blacks. You’ve noticed that oftentimes there are more whites than blacks among the revelers. And they’re virtually ALL kids!

    What has transpired over the past seven weeks or so amounts to nothing less than the kind of mass hysteria first brought to prominence in 1938 with Orson Welles’ “War of The Worlds” except this is all driven by social media.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @njguy73
  82. @Patrick in SC

    How many Glee stars have died over the last few years?

    • Replies: @anon
  83. @slumber_j

    In any case, it’s my very strong belief that people’s reactions to mj are extremely diverse. I can’t stand the stuff: it renders me even stupider than I normally am and aphonic to boot.

    I find it just makes me feel lightheaded and slightly nauseous.

    Thus I fail to grasp some folks’ obsession with weed or perception of it as some kind of divine, life-changing experience.

  84. Muggles says:
    @Wilkey

    >>I’ve known a fair number of routine cannabis users, and I can’t think of one of them who is conservative or Republican.<<

    Hardly scientific. I've known plenty.

  85. https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691122946/on-bullshit

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  86. You know who was ridiculed for burning scarce political capital fighting hard against pot legalization?

    Jeff Sessions

  87. @Richard B

    Funny….Reminds of what a Canadian rocker by the name of Kim Mitchell, I believe once said. I’m a schizophrenic and so am I.

    • LOL: Richard B
    • Replies: @Richard B
  88. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    Yes Paul,
    In the 80s and decades before the average weed was grown outdoors in Latin America, dried outside in the field and filled with seeds. Average thc content at the time was 5%.

    Modern weed grown seedless and indoors under his/led lights in a controlled environment with genetic selecting average 20% tch with some strains approaching 30%.

  89. @Dennis Dale

    Interesting that the Benzos pushed back in mid century didn’t seem to result in too much craziness. Why do people always talk about how they “kill?” Now, doctors always prescribe antidepressants before benzos for anxiety, if they can help it.

    I was lucky enough to convince a doctor to write a script for low-dose benzos and gradually, it cured my ADHD, mild depression, and changed my life. I have been more productive in the past 1.5 years than ever. It also made me more favorable towards religion (though maybe that’s just the result of entering your 30’s). Now on the path towards a STEM career I thought I was incapable of in my early 20’s, and free of the hellscape of public school teaching (bet I saw more action than some small town cops). Also, I used to have serious anger issues.

    Anti depressants made my brain feel like wet concrete. Tried them for about a month at 22. Too many people take them. American rates of anti depressant usage dwarf those of other countries.

  90. Neoconned says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I dont think it has so much to do with usage of pot as dealers and gangs who used to finance themselves via dope proceeds no longer can due to prices dropping

    Pot is cheaper than it used to be….that means less money for Shontavius and thus the need to rob etc to compensate…

  91. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Hmmmm… I may be noticing a trend. If wide diversity of people are in an altered state via assorted drugs giving the user different “answers,” that will contribute to the signal to noise ratio in political discourse, generating more new, undefinable chaos, it gives a distinct advantage to those who ain’t trippin’.

    Imagine a decent percentage of people on mushrooms or acid, who are influencers on social media. Can that turn out well?
    I’d imagine tik tok video ideas would come fast and furious for an acid or mushroom head.

    A Powerful, psychological, drug-driven divide and conquer strategy…

    https://apkmetro.com/psychedelic-mushrooms-could-pit-d-c-against-congress/

  92. Is it a coincidence that only a few years after essentially legalizing marijuana that America, and the demographics that have historically rolled the most joints, should enter into a paranoiac’s psychotic meltdown?

    I see three factors at work.

    First, pot interferes with the user’s ability to reason; emotion and impulse take over. Whites on pot become more like blacks.

    I also agree (and knew about) the marijuana psychosis.

    But I think the major element here is the cargo cult thinking employed by most blacks and their brain-dead SJW enablers. In the fifties and sixties, protests effected desegregation of schools and business establishments. The brain dead blacks and SJW’s are trying to effect perfect class harmony, with whites at the bottom .They actually believe that all men are ceated equal. They’re too stupid to understand that all men are equal before the law, and they want all whites to be submissive to all blacks.

    These idiots cannot think. With declining resources, AGW and now an economy in ruins b/c COVID, look for them to start taking anything they want.

  93. Kronos says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    I wouldn’t be the one to ask.

    I’ve heard the DEA tried comparing weed from the 1960s to the 2000s using bad methods. Like in 2005 they tested weed from a 1960s drug bust that was poorly stored in an police evidence locker. They tested it after decomposing for god knows how long and did a compare/contrast to contemporary weed. Apparently, modern weed was 500x stronger than stuff smoked in the 1960s. I can’t find the link but I vaguely remember it.

  94. Richard B says:
    @bruce county

    Reminds of what a Canadian rocker by the name of Kim Mitchell, I believe once said. I’m a schizophrenic and so am I.

    Mitchell stole that joke from both of me.

  95. dfordoom says: • Website
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    My alternative theory would be the use of social media and electronic devices.

    I agree. That’s the main cause of the current madness. Especially social media. Social media is inherently bad. You can’t have good social media. All social media is damaging. It must be destroyed if civilisation is to survive.

    Social media is the oxygen that allows SJWs and Wokeists to survive.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  96. J.Ross says:
    @Desiderius

    Three different citizens have already denounced Powerful Banana as an objective-fascist and a crypto-Scientologist. He should self-confess before he is declared a public danger and committed. It takes an insane mind to expect that people would tell lies for decades in order to obtain money and power. And if he can’t accept that, there’s pills to make him accept it.

  97. J.Ross says:
    @Prester John

    I have come to the conclusion that a hysteria generated by a radio broadcast is an obvious falsehood and one of those group lies educated people happily participate in because they want the world to work that way. A while back John Coulthart had a piece about an old paperback from the 70s claiming to offer a proper account of the hysteria in the 30s, but everything about it suggested exaggeration.
    Does anyone have solid evidence of mass hysteria as a result of a radio play? Everyone “knows” this happened but I bet it cannot be proven.

  98. @Alexander Turok

    The more general answer to Sailer’s question is that the Left feels empowered to be crazy because the alternative is so unappetizing to the American people that they no longer fear a backlash. But anything involving Trump or coronavirus tends to induce crimestop in our host, much as questions like “I wonder why shootings are up” induce crimestop in the MSM.

    • Agree: bruce county
  99. njguy73 says:
    @Anon

    In the pantheon of bad 20th-century ideas, the whole-word method ranks with Bolshevism, Prohibition, and AstroTurf.

  100. njguy73 says:
    @Prester John

    “Act out as if children on a sugar high”

    Why is sugar not regulated like a drug? Explain that to me. Explain it to me as if I was a middle school student.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  101. @Anonymouse

    “I call bs on this assertion. Marijuana is self-limiting when smoked (titration)”

    Lol. Spoken like a lifelong pothead who’s built up a stratospheric THC tolerance.

    I’ve observed family members smoke too much dope and become ill because they underestimated its strength.

  102. MBlanc46 says:
    @AnotherDad

    That’s a pretty solid analysis, AD. Obama was supposed to usher in the post-racial age, but things went considerably more pear-shaped during his administration than they had for decades.

  103. Kyle says:
    @Bill B.

    I’m kind of suspicious about theories like this from a guy who’s never smoked pot. What does the data say?

  104. @njguy73

    Clinton cronies, principally.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  105. @dfordoom

    iPalantir making everyone Sarumans and Denethors.

  106. Peterike says:
    @Anon

    “ Whole word method goes like this: ”

    Whole word means teaching a phonetic language — English — as if it were an ideographic language, e.g. Chinese. It was originally designed to teach deaf people, which makes some sense. The results of using it universally are, of course, disastrous.

    The fact that a huge portion of the educational complex falls for this blatant chicanery, even in the face of decades of abject failure, ought to convince people that, yes, mass delusion is very real.

    COVID is the new whole word instruction.

  107. Kyle says:

    Is the slate star codex guy the one who came up with this theory? It’s a convenient theory for rationalists. It doesn’t explain the Rodney King riots, or the MLK riots. My theory of the riots is blue state governors took their ball and went home. In order to punish their own constituents because Donald Trump is bad or something. Armed white people were storming our state Capitol. It was only a matter of time before the heavy marijuana user demographic put down the cheezy poofs and picked up their pistols. They just needed a little bit of encouragement from hysterical black twitter. I’ve been meditating on the self cancellation of slate star codex. Why do they get to call themselves rationalist when they clearly aren’t rational. Anthropologists who believe there are racial differences but act as though there aren’t are like astrophysicists who believe in the Big Bang but think we should act like god created the universes. They can call themselves conservatives, or traditionalists. But by definition they can’t call themselves rational. Allowing them to do so gives them a huge advantage in rhetoric.

  108. @fnn

    I followed the link to the Rod Dreher article.

    The white-people hating graduates of West Point who are signatories to their Manifesto go to lengths to explain that they are no ordinary cadets but rather head-of-their-class, went on to Oxford as Rhodes Scholar types.

    Kind of like that model ROTC student in Animal House. Think of them as young Alex “The President Bullied Me!” Vindmans.

    The fact that in signing their names they pile on their honors and marks of distinction tells you something. Think of them as despised by “ordinary” members of their Academy cohort?

  109. njguy73 says:
    @Desiderius

    Thank you.

    And yes, I use the “explain to me as if I was a kid” line a lot. It’s a good way to separate the true intellectuals from the pseudo ones. If you can’t explain something to a twelve-year-old of average intelligence, you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you can’t explain your job to a junior high class on Career Day, you shouldn’t be doing it.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  110. Drahthaar says:

    1. Marijuana amplifies temperament / intellect, often to the good in those building from quality — and not at all with cretins and thrill seekers. It can really fuck up teens and there’s a reason most parents hate / fear the drug.
    2. The potency myth is that: there’s always been strong weed and crummy shake. Pot is not x-times as strong as it was in 19xx. People who say this reveal critical ignorance. Strong weed // is // less expensive than it was 25 years ago. The government-corp-retail network is shady, secretive and hard to regulate, however, and a lot of pot customers, particularly young, are stoners. Legalization is a mixed picture.
    3. Weed probably has little or nothing to do with the current mayhem. For most whites –– I don’t know if this is true for other races –– weed is pacifying, calming // que sera sera //. CA declared dispensaries essential during the lockdown. Authorities didn’t want a lot of bummed out stay at home potheads.

  111. @AnotherDad

    There is this matter of “respect.” Or about being disrespected as a predicate for depositing shell casings for the Madison Police to pick up off the ground.

    The sociological term-of-art is “honor culture”, with Achilles’ gripe with Agamemnon in the Iliad offered as an example. I guess according to David Hackett Fischer’s Albion’s Seed (never read it, but Price Revolutions was a real stinker in its recommendations for wage-and-price controls, which have never, ever, anywhere at any time worked) , comes from some region in England of the 18th century.

    Honor culture, it has been said, was a white, slave-holder demographic thing that got imprinted on the people they subjugated and carried into the Northern cities in the Great Migration.

    I mean, what is driving the Chicago shootings? Honor culture, which is internalized within the Community. That along with corruption endemic to Chicago governance that the police have given up their monopoly on violence.

    Black Lives Matter is only exposing the broader population to the internal strife within the Community. What we at iSteve don’t get when we ask, “what does it matter that one man dies at the hands of the police in Minneapolis when multiples of that one man die every summer weekend in Chicago?” What matters is respect, or rather, the disrespect seen on the crowd-sourced video in the treatment of the one man by the police attempting to arrest him. This concern with disrespect (along with a good dose of the largely white Antifa acting on their own agenda) is what has set our cities aflame, and it is the same response driving The Violence in Chicago and other places.

    It is a kind of 9-11 thing and the question Americans asked in the aftermath, “Why do they hate us?” Actually, they don’t inasmuch as the struggle is between North African, Near Eastern and Middle Eastern factions for power, and 9-11 was one faction demonstrating to the factions “collaborating” with the U.S. how big and tough this one faction is.

    Apart from the self-inflicted part of demoralizing police departments in major cities to not control looting along with Antifa, which is a whole other story, The Troubles are an epi-phenomenon of an internal struggle. Why do they hate us? On balance, they don’t; don’t think that everything has to do with you.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Desiderius
  112. @Tono Bungay

    Trying to maintain the unmaintainable has caused serious dysfunctionalities.

  113. ALouise says:

    I think there is something to this. And of course, resident pot smokers will disagree. But I think that a person with a genetic load toward anti-social behavior will be pushed in the direction of aggression and hostility by weed.

    I have a son in prison. He most definitely has that genetic load. It was evident from when he was 3 years old. (Something I see in retrospect, with the help of research that has only been done in the past 10 years–too late for us.) Perhaps his fate was always to end up incarcerated; perhaps it was given a boost by several years of use of a drug that has a negative effect on incompletely developed neural circuitry, especially when such circuitry is already damaged.

    That is simply anecdote.

    I would also proffer that when blacks bemoan their failure, as a group, to achieve, someone ought to point out their use of marijuana. I can’t imagine that it stimulates one’s desire to go out and make a mark on the world. I live in Oakland and am a runner-I am continually dumbfounded at the clouds of marijuana smoke that engulf me as cars pass. But of course…no mechanism exists to put an end to this kind of impaired driving.

  114. ALouise says:

    Then there are my next-door neighbors–older black couple with a lethargic and somewhat slow son. He smokes his weed outside my window at all hours of the night. The reek wakes me up. I am sure that his incessant drug use has more than a little to do with his dullness and failure to launch (he is in his late 30s, still living at home).

    I predict that in 30 years, we will have decided that legalizing weed was one of the stupidest things we ever did, blunting human achievement, pushing the genetically anti-social over the edge, and leading to people like me committing homicide because I absolutely loathe the smell of that shit.

  115. anon[457] • Disclaimer says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    The Troubles are an epi-phenomenon of an internal struggle. Why do they hate us? On balance, they don’t;

    How many long-time-preference people are learning to hate them this year?
    Should they care?

  116. dfordoom says: • Website
    @22pp22

    I get to see the effects of the overuse of pot in my life renting out properties to “challenged” people. If you smoke enough of it, it leaves you a hollowed out shell of a human being, easily suggestible with a limited ability to tell fantasy from reality.

    I agree. On a personal level it’s an appalling drug.

    It has contributed to some extent to the social collapse but I think it’s only a minor cause. Social Media is a much much bigger problem and a much greater threat. But pot does destroy a lot of lives.

    The problems of the Western world are the three Ds – diversity, debt and drugs. They feed off each other.

    I think those are all contributing factors.

    But social media is the big one because it’s the thing that turned SJWs from a minor irritation into a grave threat to civilisation. It gave SJWs a weapon with which they could destroy people’s lives and force corporations to toe the SJW line. It also transformed SJWs from marginalised nutters into an immensely formidable organised power bloc.

    • Agree: Dissident, 22pp22
  117. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Hypnotoad666

    Alex Berenson wrote a well-researched book in which he argues that Marijuana is no problem for most people. And probably beneficial for some others. But maybe 5% of the population are in serious danger of suffering a psychotic break after using it.

    Given how prevalent marijuana usage is, 5% of marijuana users being turned into psychotics means a lot of psychotics. In the US, millions of psychotics.

  118. JosephB says:

    Hmm….I know some folks who (with very high probability) have never used marijuana, yet they are hard-core BLM. I could see that marijuana might swell the ranks, but I’m not sure about the causality. I’d put more credence in Obama’s elevating black complaints about the police to the national stage.

  119. Gordo says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    If you don’t read, you have a greater chance to be below average in mental (and probably some other) capabilities.

    But which way is the arrow of causation?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  120. Gordo says:
    @Jake

    Oh yes and hardly a new thing, assassin = Hashashin.

  121. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    O’Hara knew pretty much all of English and French poetry, fucked half of New York City, and wrote the funniest poetry since Catullus. You do all that, and you get the right to say “Feelings are our facts.” Everybody else: tea break’s over, back on your heads.

    Yeah – kinda like in that direction lies the solution.

    On a hehe – less highfalutin’ level: O’Hara wrote a poem, for God’s sake*****. And there is a difference between what counts as real in a poem and what counts as real when looking for rules which allow people to act – and get along with each other – IN THE REAL WORLD – be it socially determined or physically.

    ***** I can do the HIGHFALUTIN’ too. The God in god’s s sake then would be Priapus and God’s SAKE the Japanese rice-wine – see – – – – for this God’s – sake – – – – this is highfalutin’, damn it (and it is not that – hard – – – to make such stuff up either, or isn’t it…

  122. @Inquiring Mind

    They despise the whites they know because they have no honor. Blacks get along with trad whites.

  123. It’s because Mexicans and Asians are increasing , and blacks and White liberals are decreasing, as a percentage of the population. White libs are still the power elite though, and are easy to manipulate. Blacks see that their window of opportunity to grab undeserved stuff is closing, so they’re going big, going all-in, right now, while they still can. Once Mexicans and Asians and others are the new power elite, no one will give a shit about BLM or black criminals and miscreants.

  124. Yngvar says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    A gal I knew was admitted after a psychotic incident. Knowing of this weed-makes-you-mad theory I asked her later if she met many dopers in the asylum. She said she didn’t know, since she was kept in a isolation ward. But she did remember that time the hospital chief psychiatrist was making his round, with his entourage of students, entering her room and saying “and here we have one who hasn’t used drugs”. Kind of answer the question.

  125. @Gordo

    Don’t ask me, I’m clueless re mechanism; just remember a few popular science articles.

  126. Lagertha says:

    it’s all bs to confuse the majority middle-class Americans.

  127. Gordo says:

    Don’t ask me, I’m clueless re mechanism; just remember a few popular science articles.

    Me too dude.

  128. PaceLaw says:
    @James O'Meara

    1 Corinthians 9:19 – “Although I am free in regard to all, I have made myself a slave to all so as to win over as many as possible.” Not seeing your point as to Christianity here My friend. Please elaborate.

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