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Here’s the abstract of a paper that will be given at a scientific conference in Oslo this summer:

GWAS of Educational Attainment, Phase 3: Biological Findings

GWAS stands for Genome-wide association study.

Abstract

Genetic factors are estimated to account for at least 20% of the variation across individuals for educational attainment (Rietveld et al., 2013). The results of the latest GWAS for educational attainment identified 74 genome-wide significant loci for educational attainment (Okbay et al., 2016). Here, in one of the largest GWAS to date, we increase our sample to nearly 750,000 individuals, and we identify over 600 genome-wide significant loci associated with the number of years of schooling completed. Note that at the time of presentation, we will likely have updated our meta-analysis to include over 1,000,000 individuals

A million person sample size. Wow. I heard about the scale of this project last year and I’m still in awe.

They use educational attainment (years of schooling completed) as their dependent variable because that’s one trait that is asked about in major medical studies that collect genetic data.

In this presentation, I will focus on the biological implications of the GWAS results. At the time of writing, 1,656 genes are significantly prioritized, a more than 10-fold increase since our previous report (Okbay et al., 2016). The newly significant results reinforce the biological theme of prenatal brain development and also bring to the foreground new themes that shed light on the biological underpinnings of cognitive performance and other traits affecting educational attainment.

Authors
James Lee (University of Minnesota – Twin Cities), Aysu Okbay (Free University Amsterdam), Robbee Wedow (University of Colorado – Boulder), Edward Kong (Harvard University), Patrick Turley (Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard), Meghan Zacher (Harvard University), Kevin Thom (New York University), Anh Tuan Nguyen Viet (University of Southern California), Omeed Maghzian (Harvard University, NBER), Richard Karlsson Linnér (Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam), Matthew Robinson (The University of Queensland), Social Science Genetic Association Consortium (NA), Peter Visscher (The University of Queensland), Daniel Benjamin (University of Southern California), David Cesarini (New York University)

 

 
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  1. “More proof that racism and the soft bigotry of low expectations experienced by parents of color cause negative epigenetic expression in their children.”

    That is the next paradigm of sophisticated leftist thought. I cannot wait for these arguments.

    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    @Yak-15

    I expect that the genetic data do not include epigenetic data. But if it did, I do expect the explained variance would increase. In this case the genetic effects influence the environment that the children are raised in.

    , @gregor
    @Yak-15

    I expect they will scoff that it "only" explains 20 percent of the variation. That is a favorite argument against SAT scores and their supposedly poor predictability of first year grades.

    Replies: @e, @Yak-15

    , @Nico
    @Yak-15

    That a "better" environment leads to an overall better outcome for any innate level is actually less than clear. I've known cases of children adopted from birth by "uppity" parents who became frustrated that their child never performed academically as strongly as they would have and treated them unjustly compared to biological children. Materially the adopted children were of course better off in adulthood than they likely would have been coming from a less privileged milieu (and not inheriting any money) but came to bitterly resent their adoptive parents and even sometimes engage in destructive behavior with respect to their own selves and even their own eventual families.

    That there is a biological component to IQ and that IQ is of social and psychological significance ought to be obvious to anyone who's willing to make the slightest effort to observe the world without any rose-intersected glasses. The problem is that due to the complex gene-environment interaction for *any* trait expression up to and including eye color, splitting up and quantifying each atomic component is a fool's errand. This is what the left exploits to engage in HBD obscurantism.

    Replies: @phil

  2. This research strand is big news for bringing HBD into the open over the next decade.

    Researchers have already shown that educational achievement is strongly heritable, now they are identifying some of specific individual genetic variants (single nucleotide polymorphisms, called “snips”) that account for this heritability. The number of significant SNPs associated with educational achievement has now increased from 74 in the last paper (a modest start) to approximately 600.

    No one dares mention, but these SNP-related differences have strong distributional patterns across ethnic groups, with the usual suspects of high-achieving ethnic groups versus low-educational achievement ethnic groups having different distributions of SNPs. It is not discussed in print in the research journals, but it is clear that Sailer is empirically correct in his claim about HBD and its impact on societal outcomes.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Peter Johnson

    Peter, thanks. I'm an insider-observer at my local, less selective state university, and strongly believe most of the money is wasted on students who have neither the inclination nor talent for book learning. They'd be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.

    Please expand your comment if you have the time.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Anonymous, @Father O'Hara, @Rod1963

    , @Anon7
    @Peter Johnson

    "Scientists from King's College London have used a new genetic scoring technique to predict academic achievement from DNA alone. This is the strongest prediction from DNA of a behavioural measure to date."

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160719091622.htm

    Of course, this research will be used only to determine those in need of additional help. Nothing of social significance to be seen here.

    , @oddsbodkins
    @Peter Johnson

    Where can we read about the distribution of these identified SNPs among ethnic groups?

    Replies: @415 reasons

    , @res
    @Peter Johnson

    John Fuerst has done some research in that area (intelligence and SNP frequencies between races). To get an idea how work of that sort is received, see http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Fuerst

    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    , @pyrrhus
    @Peter Johnson

    Of course, it has been known for thousands of years that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree when it comes to intelligence. So it is hardly news, to anyone except brainwashed liberals, that intelligence (which will track educational achievement closely) is highly heritable and varies greatly between ethnic groups.

  3. @Peter Johnson
    This research strand is big news for bringing HBD into the open over the next decade.

    Researchers have already shown that educational achievement is strongly heritable, now they are identifying some of specific individual genetic variants (single nucleotide polymorphisms, called "snips") that account for this heritability. The number of significant SNPs associated with educational achievement has now increased from 74 in the last paper (a modest start) to approximately 600.

    No one dares mention, but these SNP-related differences have strong distributional patterns across ethnic groups, with the usual suspects of high-achieving ethnic groups versus low-educational achievement ethnic groups having different distributions of SNPs. It is not discussed in print in the research journals, but it is clear that Sailer is empirically correct in his claim about HBD and its impact on societal outcomes.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Anon7, @oddsbodkins, @res, @pyrrhus

    Peter, thanks. I’m an insider-observer at my local, less selective state university, and strongly believe most of the money is wasted on students who have neither the inclination nor talent for book learning. They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.

    Please expand your comment if you have the time.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Being bad with books doesn't make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren't able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Replies: @Ed, @MBlanc46, @AnotherDad, @oddsbodkins, @anon, @27 year old, @The Practical Conservative

    , @Anonymous
    @JackOH

    I agree. Many students I work with simply do not respond to the written word as many others do, showing no inclination to enter the author's mind,regardless of subject and content. On Edurealist's blog, he/she states that we need to get over the urge to share and project our own experiences with discovering a love of literature. SImply put, many students show no such love.

    Replies: @Rod1963

    , @Father O'Hara
    @JackOH

    Or prison.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    , @Rod1963
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Not really, students in a vocational tracks like automotive repair, industrial electrician, welding, computer repair, HVAC mechanic have to know a lot. And that means book learning.

    No desire to book study means you aren't going to succeed in the trades.

    Replies: @res, @anonymous-antiskynetist

  4. Jimi says:
    @JackOH
    @Peter Johnson

    Peter, thanks. I'm an insider-observer at my local, less selective state university, and strongly believe most of the money is wasted on students who have neither the inclination nor talent for book learning. They'd be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.

    Please expand your comment if you have the time.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Anonymous, @Father O'Hara, @Rod1963

    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.

    Being bad with books doesn’t make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren’t able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Jimi

    Lincoln Tech has fallen on bad times, in part because it expanded its offerings to compete with other for-profit schools by offering more professional services like health care.

    The sad part is that its traditional offerings in the automotive field were quite successful at placing graduates into jobs with minimal upfront costs. One reason it was successful is that applicants had to take an entrance exam. It wasn't difficult just basic mastery of high school concepts. Many applicants failed and were turned away.

    , @MBlanc46
    @Jimi

    Sane economic policy would address the problem of semi-productive work for the low-skilled. Alas, there's little chance of ever having a sane economic policy in the US.

    Replies: @Jimi

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jimi


    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.
     
    Actually it is obviously quite an easily technically solvable problem--but the solution is morally wrong.

    However, the nations that are actually willing to address the long term problem with eugenics are the nations that will win. All the whining about it in the world doesn't change that.

    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on "competency" will win and be the nations of the future. Those that don't will sink into the abyss.

    Replies: @Elli, @Anon, @dc.sunsets, @Lot

    , @oddsbodkins
    @Jimi

    What if you just export the least competant 10% to some other country, and make it their problem?

    Replies: @Jimi

    , @anon
    @Jimi

    True, but there are plenty of edge cases being that it is around the center of the population distribution. Particularly relevant are males who "aren't dumb" but they are absolutely bored out of their minds and unmotivated by book learning. Their intellectual curiosity is only aroused when it involves something tangible to their day to day work and existence.

    , @27 year old
    @Jimi

    >The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Why not?

    Either liquidate them/us or create make-work for them/us.

    , @The Practical Conservative
    @Jimi

    It's called domestic service

  5. Wow, genetic factors account for 20%.

    Good to finally have proof it’s mostly genes.

    HBD vindicated once again.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    @AaronB

    At least 20% genetic rather than 20% genetic. The other 80% is mostly unexplained; identifiable environmental influences are less than 5%. So variance across individuals is at least 20% genetic factors, less than 5% identifiable environmental influences, and 75% other/unexplained. The low explanatory power of identifiable environmental influences is a shock. The explanatory power of genetic variation will probably increase in coming years as the empirical research advances, IMHO. Not sure about environmental explanations.

    Replies: @AaronB

  6. I didn’t look at the study, but I wonder if it can help much. If height is heritable, and tall people dominate society and can therefore get education, then they’ll find the height gene helps explain education. That just clouds the question of how much genes control IQ.

  7. It’s rationalizations (turtles), all the way down.

    We’re still in (possibly the final stages of) the mother of all credit bubbles and resultant asset mania(s.) Borrowing-to-spend during the last 35 years produced, for every dollar borrowed, one dollar to cascade through the economy, producing “GDP,” and a SECOND dollar in the bond market, treated as a receivable and therefore an asset.

    The hivemind was released to borrow, borrow, borrow and see wealth, wealth, wealth as a result. Higher Ed, Medical Services (including drugs, devices and insurance), Welfare Distribution & Administration thereof, the FIRE economy (including banking of course) and the old standby of Military-Industrial-Complex were first in line for the newly created (credit) money, so all that demand warped economic decisions in favor of primarily the aforementioned industry segments.

    A vast array of rationalizations arose to “justify” all this borrowing.
    –“Everyone” should go to college.
    –“Poverty” can be eliminated.
    –“Everyone has a RIGHT to the best medical care produced.”
    –“Buy & Hold for the long term,” or “Everyone is entitled to a dignified retirement, and has a right to favorable tax treatment of investments in the asset markets.” Stocks always go up in the long run, and the real risk of investing is to NOT be invested at all times.
    –Invade the world to make Planet Earth into the Garden of Eden.
    –Invite the world because the lifestyle of Americans is EVERYONE’S right.

    Facts are facts, but only those that support the dominant rationalizations are actually visible. What we’re seeing in all these genetic studies (and what they reveal) will be ignored/discounted/vilified until the ability to sustain borrowing-to-spend evaporates.

    When this long, debt-fueled boom ends (later this year? next year? next decade?) the rationalizations will change. Genetic studies of today will form the foundation of the new rationalizations that become dominant under those (new and different) conditions.

    While the process promises to be painful and chaotic, I hope to take a step back and watch it from a wider perspective because this transition is a rare thing to experience. We should in all likelihood be able to watch the most mainstream of people ask, “what the heck were people thinking?” when in fact it was they who just a few years earlier were thinking just that.

    Look for all of today’s dominant beliefs about these areas to pull a complete Poseidon Adventure in the next few years or decade.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @dc.sunsets

    Do you have any recommendations for what people should do with their money so that everything is not lost when the credit bubble bursts?

    , @Corvinus
    @dc.sunsets

    "While the process promises to be painful and chaotic, I hope to take a step back and watch it from a wider perspective because this transition is a rare thing to experience. We should in all likelihood be able to watch the most mainstream of people ask, “what the heck were people thinking?” when in fact it was they who just a few years earlier were thinking just that."

    A pipe dream. Pie in the sky fodder.

  8. It’s nice to see the University of Colorado, Boulder and its Institute for Behavioral Genetics represented.

    And yes, this study further confirms Steve’s HBD perspective. It takes academia a while to catch up with what Galileo has already seen through his telescope — and what everyday people have been experiencing at close range.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk


    It takes academia a while to catch up with what Galileo has already seen through his telescope
     
    I join in any praise of Steve's work. But this isn't really a "Galileo" situation.

    Everyone with any brains has known intelligence is heritable since ... uh ... the dawn of consciousness plus one generation? Little cave-johnny is growing big because his mommy and daddy are big. Little cave-Mary is blossoming cute because her mommy is cute. Little cave Jimmy is sharp because his daddy is sharp. I knew all that stuff as a kid without any schooling at all--Greg is big and beefy like his dad; Dave is handsome but not all that sharp like his mom.

    No this is just the log jam of more direct technical evidence piling up against the dam of the enforced narration of enstupification from our "When Communism Inspired Americans" masters.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  9. Anon7 says:
    @Peter Johnson
    This research strand is big news for bringing HBD into the open over the next decade.

    Researchers have already shown that educational achievement is strongly heritable, now they are identifying some of specific individual genetic variants (single nucleotide polymorphisms, called "snips") that account for this heritability. The number of significant SNPs associated with educational achievement has now increased from 74 in the last paper (a modest start) to approximately 600.

    No one dares mention, but these SNP-related differences have strong distributional patterns across ethnic groups, with the usual suspects of high-achieving ethnic groups versus low-educational achievement ethnic groups having different distributions of SNPs. It is not discussed in print in the research journals, but it is clear that Sailer is empirically correct in his claim about HBD and its impact on societal outcomes.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Anon7, @oddsbodkins, @res, @pyrrhus

    “Scientists from King’s College London have used a new genetic scoring technique to predict academic achievement from DNA alone. This is the strongest prediction from DNA of a behavioural measure to date.”

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160719091622.htm

    Of course, this research will be used only to determine those in need of additional help. Nothing of social significance to be seen here.

  10. I sense a great disturbance in the force as if millions of voices of SJWs cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

  11. Anonymous [AKA "Bowhunter"] says:
    @JackOH
    @Peter Johnson

    Peter, thanks. I'm an insider-observer at my local, less selective state university, and strongly believe most of the money is wasted on students who have neither the inclination nor talent for book learning. They'd be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.

    Please expand your comment if you have the time.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Anonymous, @Father O'Hara, @Rod1963

    I agree. Many students I work with simply do not respond to the written word as many others do, showing no inclination to enter the author’s mind,regardless of subject and content. On Edurealist’s blog, he/she states that we need to get over the urge to share and project our own experiences with discovering a love of literature. SImply put, many students show no such love.

    • Replies: @Rod1963
    @Anonymous

    Go buy a McGuffey's Reader or Appleton's fifth Reader from the 1870's for grade school kids. The books are crammed with beautiful poetry and stories from leading English and American writers that would be considered college level reading material today.

    I doubt kids devolved that much so fast.

    This lack of interest I suspect comes from a lot causes ranging from bad school teachers and terrible course content to children getting their brains addled by overuse of computer technology which never let them develop properly.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Practical Conservative, @Alice

  12. @Peter Johnson
    This research strand is big news for bringing HBD into the open over the next decade.

    Researchers have already shown that educational achievement is strongly heritable, now they are identifying some of specific individual genetic variants (single nucleotide polymorphisms, called "snips") that account for this heritability. The number of significant SNPs associated with educational achievement has now increased from 74 in the last paper (a modest start) to approximately 600.

    No one dares mention, but these SNP-related differences have strong distributional patterns across ethnic groups, with the usual suspects of high-achieving ethnic groups versus low-educational achievement ethnic groups having different distributions of SNPs. It is not discussed in print in the research journals, but it is clear that Sailer is empirically correct in his claim about HBD and its impact on societal outcomes.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Anon7, @oddsbodkins, @res, @pyrrhus

    Where can we read about the distribution of these identified SNPs among ethnic groups?

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @oddsbodkins

    This is a seminal work

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18292342

  13. @Peter Johnson
    This research strand is big news for bringing HBD into the open over the next decade.

    Researchers have already shown that educational achievement is strongly heritable, now they are identifying some of specific individual genetic variants (single nucleotide polymorphisms, called "snips") that account for this heritability. The number of significant SNPs associated with educational achievement has now increased from 74 in the last paper (a modest start) to approximately 600.

    No one dares mention, but these SNP-related differences have strong distributional patterns across ethnic groups, with the usual suspects of high-achieving ethnic groups versus low-educational achievement ethnic groups having different distributions of SNPs. It is not discussed in print in the research journals, but it is clear that Sailer is empirically correct in his claim about HBD and its impact on societal outcomes.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Anon7, @oddsbodkins, @res, @pyrrhus

    John Fuerst has done some research in that area (intelligence and SNP frequencies between races). To get an idea how work of that sort is received, see http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Fuerst

    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @res


    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.
     
    The article on our host is even more enlightening:

    Steve Sailer (born 1958) is a racist, misogynist, white supremacist, anti-Semite, Islamophobe, homophobe, classist, ableist, transphobe, transmisogynist, xenophobe, pseudo-scientist and all-round champion dickhead who can arguably be credited—if such a resumé can be to someone's credit—as the godfather of pseudo-scientific online hate. If it's foul, fetid and attempts to give itself a biological and/or intellectual veneer, then Sailer will have had a hand in it somewhere, trust us.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer
     

    Replies: @res, @candid_observer, @bored identity, @phil

  14. Genetic factors are estimated to account for at least 20% of the variation across individuals for educational attainment

    I wonder how many of the “March for Science” pawns would reject this finding out of hand.

  15. @Yak-15
    "More proof that racism and the soft bigotry of low expectations experienced by parents of color cause negative epigenetic expression in their children."

    That is the next paradigm of sophisticated leftist thought. I cannot wait for these arguments.

    Replies: @Robert Hume, @gregor, @Nico

    I expect that the genetic data do not include epigenetic data. But if it did, I do expect the explained variance would increase. In this case the genetic effects influence the environment that the children are raised in.

  16. @Yak-15
    "More proof that racism and the soft bigotry of low expectations experienced by parents of color cause negative epigenetic expression in their children."

    That is the next paradigm of sophisticated leftist thought. I cannot wait for these arguments.

    Replies: @Robert Hume, @gregor, @Nico

    I expect they will scoff that it “only” explains 20 percent of the variation. That is a favorite argument against SAT scores and their supposedly poor predictability of first year grades.

    • Replies: @e
    @gregor

    I expect they will scoff that it “only” explains 20 percent of the variation.

    Yes, this.

    , @Yak-15
    @gregor

    The study is not out yet but I believe 20 pct is the entirety that they can identify in this early stage of the analytical process. Later, more advanced studies will certainly point out more relevant genetic structure.

  17. It’s timely to note that the science marchers do not deplore denialism of this sort of research. But do deplore denialism of evolution.

  18. Ed says:
    @Jimi
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Being bad with books doesn't make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren't able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Replies: @Ed, @MBlanc46, @AnotherDad, @oddsbodkins, @anon, @27 year old, @The Practical Conservative

    Lincoln Tech has fallen on bad times, in part because it expanded its offerings to compete with other for-profit schools by offering more professional services like health care.

    The sad part is that its traditional offerings in the automotive field were quite successful at placing graduates into jobs with minimal upfront costs. One reason it was successful is that applicants had to take an entrance exam. It wasn’t difficult just basic mastery of high school concepts. Many applicants failed and were turned away.

  19. eric says:

    But couldn’t a critic just say: ‘genes are correlated with superficial stuff, phenotypes associated with the socially constructed categories of race, and so GWAS that show correlations with education, IQ, etc, are just an omitted variables bias, as they just capture institutional bigotry. That is, you are catching genes that cause skin color, hair thickness, which then invites discrimination, and thus low education.’

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    @eric

    The statistical tests include race as an explanatory variable, and therefore find the significant SNPS including race as an explanatory variable. Some explicitly exclude all of the sample except for the dominant race in the sample (which is an obvious alternative to including race as an explanatory variable). Then, in a subsequent step (if they dare) some researchers note that the significant SNPs are differently distributed across races, in a way consistent with the academic achievement results across races. Robert Plomin and John Fuerst have both pointed this out, but both were beaten into submission by the SJW attack force. So almost all of the studies nowadays avoid that second obvious step.

    Replies: @res

    , @Robert Hume
    @eric

    But these SNPs give the same results when restricted only to whites.

  20. @JackOH
    @Peter Johnson

    Peter, thanks. I'm an insider-observer at my local, less selective state university, and strongly believe most of the money is wasted on students who have neither the inclination nor talent for book learning. They'd be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.

    Please expand your comment if you have the time.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Anonymous, @Father O'Hara, @Rod1963

    Or prison.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    @Father O'Hara


    Or prison.
     
    My wife, a 4th grade teacher, could easily predict which of her students will end up in prison. She has one now who exhibits all of the traits of a psychopath (narcissism, low socialization) and who has THREE (count 'em, THREE) adult male relatives, including dad, on the sex offender registry.

    She's pretty darn certain that sooner or later he'll attack someone.

    Over the years, she's seen several kids who, at 10 years of age, were very predictably headed to jail. Often their parents were in prison, too.

    Incidentally, one of her retired colleagues took a job as a bailiff and ran into more than a few of his former students as they worked their way through the criminal courts.

    Blank Slate? No. Not a chance.
  21. @Jimi
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Being bad with books doesn't make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren't able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Replies: @Ed, @MBlanc46, @AnotherDad, @oddsbodkins, @anon, @27 year old, @The Practical Conservative

    Sane economic policy would address the problem of semi-productive work for the low-skilled. Alas, there’s little chance of ever having a sane economic policy in the US.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    @MBlanc46

    I don't have a solution but I don't want to make the problem worse. NYC streets are filled with Bangladeshis running fruit stands and chicken and rice stands.

    In 20 years their children may not be more skilled than the parents but as American citizens will demand better jobs. Will our society be able to help them?

    Replies: @Triumph104

  22. @eric
    But couldn't a critic just say: 'genes are correlated with superficial stuff, phenotypes associated with the socially constructed categories of race, and so GWAS that show correlations with education, IQ, etc, are just an omitted variables bias, as they just capture institutional bigotry. That is, you are catching genes that cause skin color, hair thickness, which then invites discrimination, and thus low education.'

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @Robert Hume

    The statistical tests include race as an explanatory variable, and therefore find the significant SNPS including race as an explanatory variable. Some explicitly exclude all of the sample except for the dominant race in the sample (which is an obvious alternative to including race as an explanatory variable). Then, in a subsequent step (if they dare) some researchers note that the significant SNPs are differently distributed across races, in a way consistent with the academic achievement results across races. Robert Plomin and John Fuerst have both pointed this out, but both were beaten into submission by the SJW attack force. So almost all of the studies nowadays avoid that second obvious step.

    • Replies: @res
    @Peter Johnson


    Robert Plomin and John Fuerst have both pointed this out, but both were beaten into submission by the SJW attack force.
     
    Not surprised that Plomin would desire/need approval to do his job, but has Fuerst been cowed as well? Any idea of what direction Fuerst has gone now?
  23. @JackOH
    @Peter Johnson

    Peter, thanks. I'm an insider-observer at my local, less selective state university, and strongly believe most of the money is wasted on students who have neither the inclination nor talent for book learning. They'd be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.

    Please expand your comment if you have the time.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Anonymous, @Father O'Hara, @Rod1963

    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.

    Not really, students in a vocational tracks like automotive repair, industrial electrician, welding, computer repair, HVAC mechanic have to know a lot. And that means book learning.

    No desire to book study means you aren’t going to succeed in the trades.

    • Replies: @res
    @Rod1963


    No desire to book study means you aren’t going to succeed in the trades.
     
    This seems reasonable, but my sense was a decent proportion of vocational track people do much better with the purpose directed book learning which I think that provides. I think vocational track is better suited for people with less of an academic bent, but it's not a cure for the truly stupid and/or unmotivated.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @anonymous-antiskynetist
    @Rod1963

    We were all supposed to retrain for high tech keyboard jockey jobs in cubes. A whole generation of American welders and machinists never got apprenticed. Now, as I can attest from working in heavy construction, we import at least half, and probably more, of our certified welders from the West Indies, Ireland and Eastern Europe.

  24. OT, but the latest from fake news headlines: A Code Pink Protestor Laughs Over a Trump Nominee and is Convicted

    …from that right-wing cesspool of fake news known as the New York Times.

    The protestor was convicted for what happened after she laughed at Sessions. My favorite part of the story is that they also busted two leftists who pretended to be KKK members supporting Sessions.

  25. @Anonymous
    @JackOH

    I agree. Many students I work with simply do not respond to the written word as many others do, showing no inclination to enter the author's mind,regardless of subject and content. On Edurealist's blog, he/she states that we need to get over the urge to share and project our own experiences with discovering a love of literature. SImply put, many students show no such love.

    Replies: @Rod1963

    Go buy a McGuffey’s Reader or Appleton’s fifth Reader from the 1870’s for grade school kids. The books are crammed with beautiful poetry and stories from leading English and American writers that would be considered college level reading material today.

    I doubt kids devolved that much so fast.

    This lack of interest I suspect comes from a lot causes ranging from bad school teachers and terrible course content to children getting their brains addled by overuse of computer technology which never let them develop properly.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Rod1963


    This lack of interest I suspect comes from a lot causes ranging from bad school teachers and terrible course content to children getting their brains addled by overuse of computer technology which never let them develop properly.
     
    I'm more of a "nature" guy, but i think one of the best things you can do is simply *not* park your kids in front of the TV. Especially as young kids as a baby-sitter. Their brains should be taking in the world normally not reacting to all that crap. Give 'em some blocks and puzzles and such and let them be. Then read to them.

    We actually had not trouble with a simple no-TV rule all the way through. If they wanted to watch a movie fine on the weekends--fine. But the TV--and all the dreck that Hollyweird pumps out at you--wasn't there spewing garbage into our house/their brains.
    , @The Practical Conservative
    @Rod1963

    Very few kids got to the fifth reader and many were only in school a couple months a year for 2 to 5 years. Not really comparable to the current year.

    , @Alice
    @Rod1963

    I agree with some qualifications.

    Our public school system doesn't just teach SJWism at the expense of teaching about​ the greatness of American and WASP history. It teaches constructivist pedagogy at the expense of basic phonics and numeracy.

    Literally, most schools now do not teach phonics. Children are not taught which vowel combinations make which sounds; they aren't taught which consonant combinations match which sounds. They are not taught systematic grammar or spelling. Explicitly, teachers reject the methods now because it is en Vogue to do so. "Blended literacy" teaches children to guess words on the page by opening syllables, context clues from the illustrations, and any other process that makes sense to them. Grammar is "caught not taught" meaning, magically, kids will learn grammar by hearing people speak to them. They aren't taught rules for punctuation for similar reasons. In math, kids aren't taught the standard computational algorithms for arithmetic anymore.

    Today, if you can't figure out how to get information out of a book before the age of 10, you have no chance of doing so at 20. The effects are dramatic enough that kids from high income families are still illiterate and innumerate, but they managed to get employed at least.

    That said, the stock of children taught with McGuffey readers isn't the same as the stock in today's public schools. We aren't out if East Anglia anymore. The taste for poetry is going away just as the taste for walks in the mountains and baseball has gone away.

  26. @eric
    But couldn't a critic just say: 'genes are correlated with superficial stuff, phenotypes associated with the socially constructed categories of race, and so GWAS that show correlations with education, IQ, etc, are just an omitted variables bias, as they just capture institutional bigotry. That is, you are catching genes that cause skin color, hair thickness, which then invites discrimination, and thus low education.'

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @Robert Hume

    But these SNPs give the same results when restricted only to whites.

  27. @Jimi
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Being bad with books doesn't make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren't able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Replies: @Ed, @MBlanc46, @AnotherDad, @oddsbodkins, @anon, @27 year old, @The Practical Conservative

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Actually it is obviously quite an easily technically solvable problem–but the solution is morally wrong.

    However, the nations that are actually willing to address the long term problem with eugenics are the nations that will win. All the whining about it in the world doesn’t change that.

    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on “competency” will win and be the nations of the future. Those that don’t will sink into the abyss.

    • Replies: @Elli
    @AnotherDad

    Roboticization and AI might make a whole lot more of us human beings surplus to the economy, dull, lazy, bright, industrious - might be all the same to the machines.

    , @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    We have developed a society in which being low-IQ is noncompetitive in the Darwinian sense and maladaptive, and low-IQ people can only survive on the sufferance of high-IQ people, who allow the others to collect enough welfare to live on. It's time to press a lot harder for sterilization and abortions, or we will never get out of this trap of having billions of people world-wide who cannot survive in an advanced Western society without massive welfare and handouts.

    The breeding trend of the world's poorest people is skywards. Those extra billions are coming from primitive societies who heading towards the type of population disaster that will completely overwhelm their environment's capacity to provide jobs and food. Does anyone think India can survive with 2 billion poor people? If everyone there had 4 kids, that's all it would take.

    In terms of survival, low-IQ people make me think of the maladaption of modern plants like corn. Modern-day corn plants cannot survive and reproduce any more without modern man and agriculture to help it along in the lab. As modern Western culture spreads, it reveals more and more native peoples who are totally maladapted to it and who cannot function at all in it without help from others.

    We are NOT going to stop advancing and revert back to what society was like 10,000 years ago. Modern life is only going to increase in complexity and become harder and harder to understand, navigate, and work in. Sterilization and abortion, people. We need them. We need to demand that people who cannot, or who refuse to support themselves--but who demand that WE support them--be sterilized. We must do it to keep them from destroying us.

    Replies: @27 year old

    , @dc.sunsets
    @AnotherDad

    I doubt Westerners have the stomach for what's necessary (connecting welfare of any sort to sterilization.) Our civilization's zenith is past.

    My wife teaches 4th grade in a Title 1 grade school and her stories inform me that the sky really is going to fall. This year a third of her class is undoubtedly too stupid (literally stupid) to perform even the simplest job.

    The one thing we see over and over: The drug-addled, "last-generation's Special Ed" adults produce large families (raised, most of the time by a single mom, multiple baby-daddies, white, black, green or brown, it doesn't matter.)

    Idiocracy isn't a comedy, and it is quite literally a prescient documentary.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative, @27 year old

    , @Lot
    @AnotherDad


    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on “competency” will win and be the nations of the future.
     
    Eugenics is very unpopular worldwide. Governments of all types and in all regions actively reduce IQ. Some examples:

    USA:
    - Mass low-iq immigration
    - Welfare policies that encourage early and frequent childbearing by low IQ single mothers
    - Making abortion more available to higher IQ people than poorer and low IQ people
    the income tax code's marriage penalty
    - Education and student loan policies that decrease and delay the fertility of high-IQ young people

    China:
    - One child policy applies to high IQ Han population, not lower IQ non-Han Chinese
    - One child policy in practice applied more aggressively to higher IQ urban middle class, less to rural rice farmers
    - Reeducation camps and state-sanctioned murder campaigns against the old meritocratic middle class

    Russia:
    - Genocidal policies against landowning peasants and successful middle class people
    - Economic transfers from high-IQ Slavs, Balts, and Jews to low-IQ Caucasians and Turkics

    Germany:
    - Mass low-IQ immigration
    - Genocide against high IQ Ashkenazi
    - Starting aggressive wars and sending higher IQ recruits into the most dangerous positions on aircraft and submarines
    - Economic transfers from high-IQ Germans to low-IQ minorities

    Replies: @anon

  28. @Buzz Mohawk
    It's nice to see the University of Colorado, Boulder and its Institute for Behavioral Genetics represented.

    And yes, this study further confirms Steve's HBD perspective. It takes academia a while to catch up with what Galileo has already seen through his telescope -- and what everyday people have been experiencing at close range.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    It takes academia a while to catch up with what Galileo has already seen through his telescope

    I join in any praise of Steve’s work. But this isn’t really a “Galileo” situation.

    Everyone with any brains has known intelligence is heritable since … uh … the dawn of consciousness plus one generation? Little cave-johnny is growing big because his mommy and daddy are big. Little cave-Mary is blossoming cute because her mommy is cute. Little cave Jimmy is sharp because his daddy is sharp. I knew all that stuff as a kid without any schooling at all–Greg is big and beefy like his dad; Dave is handsome but not all that sharp like his mom.

    No this is just the log jam of more direct technical evidence piling up against the dam of the enforced narration of enstupification from our “When Communism Inspired Americans” masters.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @AnotherDad


    It takes academia a while to catch up with what Galileo has already seen through his telescope
     
    -- and what everyday people have been experiencing at close range "since ... uh ... the dawn of consciousness plus one generation."

    I'll agree to that, since I already said it.
  29. @Rod1963
    @Anonymous

    Go buy a McGuffey's Reader or Appleton's fifth Reader from the 1870's for grade school kids. The books are crammed with beautiful poetry and stories from leading English and American writers that would be considered college level reading material today.

    I doubt kids devolved that much so fast.

    This lack of interest I suspect comes from a lot causes ranging from bad school teachers and terrible course content to children getting their brains addled by overuse of computer technology which never let them develop properly.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Practical Conservative, @Alice

    This lack of interest I suspect comes from a lot causes ranging from bad school teachers and terrible course content to children getting their brains addled by overuse of computer technology which never let them develop properly.

    I’m more of a “nature” guy, but i think one of the best things you can do is simply *not* park your kids in front of the TV. Especially as young kids as a baby-sitter. Their brains should be taking in the world normally not reacting to all that crap. Give ’em some blocks and puzzles and such and let them be. Then read to them.

    We actually had not trouble with a simple no-TV rule all the way through. If they wanted to watch a movie fine on the weekends–fine. But the TV–and all the dreck that Hollyweird pumps out at you–wasn’t there spewing garbage into our house/their brains.

  30. A few questions from a guy with only a rudimentary understanding of behavioral genetics…

    Studies in the past have shown that the heritability of IQ (a proxy for educational attainment) is anywhere from 0.50 to 0.80, while this paper says it’s at least (only) 20%. Will this discrepancy be resolved in future studies that use even larger sample sizes?

    Am I right to assume that some of the gene variants found in these studies have nothing to do with intelligence, but instead are associated with traits like conscientiousness?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Patrick82

    Partrick82 - "the heritability of IQ (a proxy for educational attainment)"

    Steve Sailer - "They use educational attainment (years of schooling completed) as their dependent variable because that’s one trait that is asked about in major medical studies that collect genetic data."

    If the US is anything like the UK they'll need to correct for cohort age, because here young people stay in full time education far longer now than in past times. Since I was at school the school leaving age has been raised twice, from 15 to 16 in the 1970s and recently from 16 to 18. At the young age, children start 'school' earlier than they used to - the state regulates "pre-school" (glorified nurseries) from age 3 to age 5, when education becomes compulsory. At older ages, far more children go onto higher education than previously, something like 40% attending university, a figure which was about 5-7% when I left school - only the brightest went.

    Person A may have left school at 16 in 2004, trained as a plumber and be doing very well.

    Person B may have done mediocre A levels aged 18 in 2006, a mediocre degree in Politics and International Relations, and be, while not unemployable, far less marketable (and burdened by student debt). But his 5 extra years of education is "attainment".

    (Person B will however have been thoroughly indoctrinated and know (unlike Person A) that if the media use certain words about a politician ('extremist', 'far-right', 'Nazi', 'hate speech') that they mustn't vote for them. Who said education was wasted?)

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @Patrick82

    Patrick - a shorter answer is that years spent in education is an imperfect proxy for intelligence.

  31. @Peter Johnson
    @eric

    The statistical tests include race as an explanatory variable, and therefore find the significant SNPS including race as an explanatory variable. Some explicitly exclude all of the sample except for the dominant race in the sample (which is an obvious alternative to including race as an explanatory variable). Then, in a subsequent step (if they dare) some researchers note that the significant SNPs are differently distributed across races, in a way consistent with the academic achievement results across races. Robert Plomin and John Fuerst have both pointed this out, but both were beaten into submission by the SJW attack force. So almost all of the studies nowadays avoid that second obvious step.

    Replies: @res

    Robert Plomin and John Fuerst have both pointed this out, but both were beaten into submission by the SJW attack force.

    Not surprised that Plomin would desire/need approval to do his job, but has Fuerst been cowed as well? Any idea of what direction Fuerst has gone now?

  32. res says:
    @Rod1963
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Not really, students in a vocational tracks like automotive repair, industrial electrician, welding, computer repair, HVAC mechanic have to know a lot. And that means book learning.

    No desire to book study means you aren't going to succeed in the trades.

    Replies: @res, @anonymous-antiskynetist

    No desire to book study means you aren’t going to succeed in the trades.

    This seems reasonable, but my sense was a decent proportion of vocational track people do much better with the purpose directed book learning which I think that provides. I think vocational track is better suited for people with less of an academic bent, but it’s not a cure for the truly stupid and/or unmotivated.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @res

    I think it's the difference between people who are happy reading a technical manual knowing there's some hands-on application at the end, but who are going to be bored out of their minds reading fiction or poetry.

  33. @AaronB
    Wow, genetic factors account for 20%.

    Good to finally have proof it's mostly genes.

    HBD vindicated once again.

    Replies: @Peter Johnson

    At least 20% genetic rather than 20% genetic. The other 80% is mostly unexplained; identifiable environmental influences are less than 5%. So variance across individuals is at least 20% genetic factors, less than 5% identifiable environmental influences, and 75% other/unexplained. The low explanatory power of identifiable environmental influences is a shock. The explanatory power of genetic variation will probably increase in coming years as the empirical research advances, IMHO. Not sure about environmental explanations.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Peter Johnson

    It isn't at all shocking that the environmental factors we can measure don't count for much. People have known for millenia that intangible factors are the important ones. Only our age is too stupid to see that.

    Basically, we find what our tools are designed to find, and then are shocked that our tools did not find what they cannot, by definition, find.

    Our age is trapped in circular thinking.

    Once you've liberated yourself and stepped outside the circle, it becomes amusing to watch.

  34. @Jimi
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Being bad with books doesn't make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren't able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Replies: @Ed, @MBlanc46, @AnotherDad, @oddsbodkins, @anon, @27 year old, @The Practical Conservative

    What if you just export the least competant 10% to some other country, and make it their problem?

    • Replies: @Jimi
    @oddsbodkins

    Other countries have been doing that to the USA!

  35. @dc.sunsets
    It's rationalizations (turtles), all the way down.

    We're still in (possibly the final stages of) the mother of all credit bubbles and resultant asset mania(s.) Borrowing-to-spend during the last 35 years produced, for every dollar borrowed, one dollar to cascade through the economy, producing "GDP," and a SECOND dollar in the bond market, treated as a receivable and therefore an asset.

    The hivemind was released to borrow, borrow, borrow and see wealth, wealth, wealth as a result. Higher Ed, Medical Services (including drugs, devices and insurance), Welfare Distribution & Administration thereof, the FIRE economy (including banking of course) and the old standby of Military-Industrial-Complex were first in line for the newly created (credit) money, so all that demand warped economic decisions in favor of primarily the aforementioned industry segments.

    A vast array of rationalizations arose to "justify" all this borrowing.
    --"Everyone" should go to college.
    --"Poverty" can be eliminated.
    --"Everyone has a RIGHT to the best medical care produced."
    --"Buy & Hold for the long term," or "Everyone is entitled to a dignified retirement, and has a right to favorable tax treatment of investments in the asset markets." Stocks always go up in the long run, and the real risk of investing is to NOT be invested at all times.
    --Invade the world to make Planet Earth into the Garden of Eden.
    --Invite the world because the lifestyle of Americans is EVERYONE'S right.

    Facts are facts, but only those that support the dominant rationalizations are actually visible. What we're seeing in all these genetic studies (and what they reveal) will be ignored/discounted/vilified until the ability to sustain borrowing-to-spend evaporates.

    When this long, debt-fueled boom ends (later this year? next year? next decade?) the rationalizations will change. Genetic studies of today will form the foundation of the new rationalizations that become dominant under those (new and different) conditions.

    While the process promises to be painful and chaotic, I hope to take a step back and watch it from a wider perspective because this transition is a rare thing to experience. We should in all likelihood be able to watch the most mainstream of people ask, "what the heck were people thinking?" when in fact it was they who just a few years earlier were thinking just that.

    Look for all of today's dominant beliefs about these areas to pull a complete Poseidon Adventure in the next few years or decade.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    Do you have any recommendations for what people should do with their money so that everything is not lost when the credit bubble bursts?

  36. Nico says:
    @Yak-15
    "More proof that racism and the soft bigotry of low expectations experienced by parents of color cause negative epigenetic expression in their children."

    That is the next paradigm of sophisticated leftist thought. I cannot wait for these arguments.

    Replies: @Robert Hume, @gregor, @Nico

    That a “better” environment leads to an overall better outcome for any innate level is actually less than clear. I’ve known cases of children adopted from birth by “uppity” parents who became frustrated that their child never performed academically as strongly as they would have and treated them unjustly compared to biological children. Materially the adopted children were of course better off in adulthood than they likely would have been coming from a less privileged milieu (and not inheriting any money) but came to bitterly resent their adoptive parents and even sometimes engage in destructive behavior with respect to their own selves and even their own eventual families.

    That there is a biological component to IQ and that IQ is of social and psychological significance ought to be obvious to anyone who’s willing to make the slightest effort to observe the world without any rose-intersected glasses. The problem is that due to the complex gene-environment interaction for *any* trait expression up to and including eye color, splitting up and quantifying each atomic component is a fool’s errand. This is what the left exploits to engage in HBD obscurantism.

    • Replies: @phil
    @Nico

    In The g Factor, Jensen reported that the IQs of children are correlated with the socioeconomic status of their biological parents. However, in the case of orphans , the IQs of children are NOT correlated with the socioeconomic status of their adoptive parents. The fact that there is a correlation in the case of biological children is explained by the fact that parents' socioeconomic status tends to reflect parental IQ; the parents' IQ then tends to be transmitted genetically to biologically-related children (but not to adopted children).

    Harvard's Gregory Mankiw made these simple points on his blog, whereupon he was attacked by Berkeley's Brad DeLong.

  37. @Peter Johnson
    This research strand is big news for bringing HBD into the open over the next decade.

    Researchers have already shown that educational achievement is strongly heritable, now they are identifying some of specific individual genetic variants (single nucleotide polymorphisms, called "snips") that account for this heritability. The number of significant SNPs associated with educational achievement has now increased from 74 in the last paper (a modest start) to approximately 600.

    No one dares mention, but these SNP-related differences have strong distributional patterns across ethnic groups, with the usual suspects of high-achieving ethnic groups versus low-educational achievement ethnic groups having different distributions of SNPs. It is not discussed in print in the research journals, but it is clear that Sailer is empirically correct in his claim about HBD and its impact on societal outcomes.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Anon7, @oddsbodkins, @res, @pyrrhus

    Of course, it has been known for thousands of years that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree when it comes to intelligence. So it is hardly news, to anyone except brainwashed liberals, that intelligence (which will track educational achievement closely) is highly heritable and varies greatly between ethnic groups.

  38. @Patrick82
    A few questions from a guy with only a rudimentary understanding of behavioral genetics...

    Studies in the past have shown that the heritability of IQ (a proxy for educational attainment) is anywhere from 0.50 to 0.80, while this paper says it's at least (only) 20%. Will this discrepancy be resolved in future studies that use even larger sample sizes?

    Am I right to assume that some of the gene variants found in these studies have nothing to do with intelligence, but instead are associated with traits like conscientiousness?

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Anonymous Nephew

    Partrick82 – “the heritability of IQ (a proxy for educational attainment)”

    Steve Sailer – “They use educational attainment (years of schooling completed) as their dependent variable because that’s one trait that is asked about in major medical studies that collect genetic data.”

    If the US is anything like the UK they’ll need to correct for cohort age, because here young people stay in full time education far longer now than in past times. Since I was at school the school leaving age has been raised twice, from 15 to 16 in the 1970s and recently from 16 to 18. At the young age, children start ‘school’ earlier than they used to – the state regulates “pre-school” (glorified nurseries) from age 3 to age 5, when education becomes compulsory. At older ages, far more children go onto higher education than previously, something like 40% attending university, a figure which was about 5-7% when I left school – only the brightest went.

    Person A may have left school at 16 in 2004, trained as a plumber and be doing very well.

    Person B may have done mediocre A levels aged 18 in 2006, a mediocre degree in Politics and International Relations, and be, while not unemployable, far less marketable (and burdened by student debt). But his 5 extra years of education is “attainment”.

    (Person B will however have been thoroughly indoctrinated and know (unlike Person A) that if the media use certain words about a politician (‘extremist’, ‘far-right’, ‘Nazi’, ‘hate speech’) that they mustn’t vote for them. Who said education was wasted?)

  39. @Patrick82
    A few questions from a guy with only a rudimentary understanding of behavioral genetics...

    Studies in the past have shown that the heritability of IQ (a proxy for educational attainment) is anywhere from 0.50 to 0.80, while this paper says it's at least (only) 20%. Will this discrepancy be resolved in future studies that use even larger sample sizes?

    Am I right to assume that some of the gene variants found in these studies have nothing to do with intelligence, but instead are associated with traits like conscientiousness?

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Anonymous Nephew

    Patrick – a shorter answer is that years spent in education is an imperfect proxy for intelligence.

  40. OT – Now that Puerto Rico has declared bankruptcy will the people of Puerto Rico be maligned like the people of Greece and to some extent southern Europe? Will the media come up with a catchy acronym like “PIGS” to describe Puerto Rico?

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Anonymous

    GIPPRS, and we don't want to win one for them.

  41. But isn’t GWAS a fairly crude tool that fails to account for most genetic variation?

    Don’t get me wrong, I am a racial realist. But I don’t think this study will change too many people’s minds on the other side.

  42. @AnotherDad
    @Jimi


    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.
     
    Actually it is obviously quite an easily technically solvable problem--but the solution is morally wrong.

    However, the nations that are actually willing to address the long term problem with eugenics are the nations that will win. All the whining about it in the world doesn't change that.

    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on "competency" will win and be the nations of the future. Those that don't will sink into the abyss.

    Replies: @Elli, @Anon, @dc.sunsets, @Lot

    Roboticization and AI might make a whole lot more of us human beings surplus to the economy, dull, lazy, bright, industrious – might be all the same to the machines.

    • Agree: 27 year old
  43. @res
    @Rod1963


    No desire to book study means you aren’t going to succeed in the trades.
     
    This seems reasonable, but my sense was a decent proportion of vocational track people do much better with the purpose directed book learning which I think that provides. I think vocational track is better suited for people with less of an academic bent, but it's not a cure for the truly stupid and/or unmotivated.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    I think it’s the difference between people who are happy reading a technical manual knowing there’s some hands-on application at the end, but who are going to be bored out of their minds reading fiction or poetry.

  44. @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk


    It takes academia a while to catch up with what Galileo has already seen through his telescope
     
    I join in any praise of Steve's work. But this isn't really a "Galileo" situation.

    Everyone with any brains has known intelligence is heritable since ... uh ... the dawn of consciousness plus one generation? Little cave-johnny is growing big because his mommy and daddy are big. Little cave-Mary is blossoming cute because her mommy is cute. Little cave Jimmy is sharp because his daddy is sharp. I knew all that stuff as a kid without any schooling at all--Greg is big and beefy like his dad; Dave is handsome but not all that sharp like his mom.

    No this is just the log jam of more direct technical evidence piling up against the dam of the enforced narration of enstupification from our "When Communism Inspired Americans" masters.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    It takes academia a while to catch up with what Galileo has already seen through his telescope

    — and what everyday people have been experiencing at close range “since … uh … the dawn of consciousness plus one generation.”

    I’ll agree to that, since I already said it.

  45. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jimi
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Being bad with books doesn't make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren't able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Replies: @Ed, @MBlanc46, @AnotherDad, @oddsbodkins, @anon, @27 year old, @The Practical Conservative

    True, but there are plenty of edge cases being that it is around the center of the population distribution. Particularly relevant are males who “aren’t dumb” but they are absolutely bored out of their minds and unmotivated by book learning. Their intellectual curiosity is only aroused when it involves something tangible to their day to day work and existence.

  46. I missed this when it came out, but here is a nicely done Dec 2015 profile of Mickey Kaus

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/kausfile

  47. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Jimi


    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.
     
    Actually it is obviously quite an easily technically solvable problem--but the solution is morally wrong.

    However, the nations that are actually willing to address the long term problem with eugenics are the nations that will win. All the whining about it in the world doesn't change that.

    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on "competency" will win and be the nations of the future. Those that don't will sink into the abyss.

    Replies: @Elli, @Anon, @dc.sunsets, @Lot

    We have developed a society in which being low-IQ is noncompetitive in the Darwinian sense and maladaptive, and low-IQ people can only survive on the sufferance of high-IQ people, who allow the others to collect enough welfare to live on. It’s time to press a lot harder for sterilization and abortions, or we will never get out of this trap of having billions of people world-wide who cannot survive in an advanced Western society without massive welfare and handouts.

    The breeding trend of the world’s poorest people is skywards. Those extra billions are coming from primitive societies who heading towards the type of population disaster that will completely overwhelm their environment’s capacity to provide jobs and food. Does anyone think India can survive with 2 billion poor people? If everyone there had 4 kids, that’s all it would take.

    In terms of survival, low-IQ people make me think of the maladaption of modern plants like corn. Modern-day corn plants cannot survive and reproduce any more without modern man and agriculture to help it along in the lab. As modern Western culture spreads, it reveals more and more native peoples who are totally maladapted to it and who cannot function at all in it without help from others.

    We are NOT going to stop advancing and revert back to what society was like 10,000 years ago. Modern life is only going to increase in complexity and become harder and harder to understand, navigate, and work in. Sterilization and abortion, people. We need them. We need to demand that people who cannot, or who refuse to support themselves–but who demand that WE support them–be sterilized. We must do it to keep them from destroying us.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @Anon

    >low-IQ people can only survive on the sufferance of high-IQ people, who

    > Sterilization and abortion, people. We need them. We need to demand that people who cannot, or who refuse to support themselves–but who demand that WE support them–be sterilized.

    Do you think it would be right for (((Mark Zuckerberg))) or an AI that he controls to conclude that you should be sterilized because you are comparatively low IQ?

  48. @AnotherDad
    @Jimi


    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.
     
    Actually it is obviously quite an easily technically solvable problem--but the solution is morally wrong.

    However, the nations that are actually willing to address the long term problem with eugenics are the nations that will win. All the whining about it in the world doesn't change that.

    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on "competency" will win and be the nations of the future. Those that don't will sink into the abyss.

    Replies: @Elli, @Anon, @dc.sunsets, @Lot

    I doubt Westerners have the stomach for what’s necessary (connecting welfare of any sort to sterilization.) Our civilization’s zenith is past.

    My wife teaches 4th grade in a Title 1 grade school and her stories inform me that the sky really is going to fall. This year a third of her class is undoubtedly too stupid (literally stupid) to perform even the simplest job.

    The one thing we see over and over: The drug-addled, “last-generation’s Special Ed” adults produce large families (raised, most of the time by a single mom, multiple baby-daddies, white, black, green or brown, it doesn’t matter.)

    Idiocracy isn’t a comedy, and it is quite literally a prescient documentary.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @dc.sunsets

    What number is large for you because the county level birth data doesn't show anything like that.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @27 year old
    @dc.sunsets

    My wife teaches DARE type classes in many different schools for ages K-8, she reports the same thing, maybe even higher percentages in the totally black/hispanic schools. The stories she tells about the White kids aren't exactly encouraging either. Except for in one of the "good schools" though, a little White boy asked her on her first day if she voted for Trump. She said something like teachers aren't supposed to tell kids who they vote for so kids can make up their own mind. The kid goes "well, here at THIS school, we like Trump." Some hope there. She also reported a White girl age 7 has got her first period.

  49. Anonymous [AKA "Mack99"] says:

    A few points of clarification:

    20% is the GCTA estimate for the heritability of years of schooling. It is, firstly, the lower bound estimate for the narrow-sense heritability of years of schooling and, secondly, the upper bound of what current GWAS investigations can explain by simply increasing the sample size. Twin studies indicate that the total heritability of years of schooling is about 40-50%. GWAS can capture at most half of that. The polygenic score constructed from the 600 hits now found explains 10% of differences in years of schooling. By increasing the sample size that might be pushed up to 20%. However, after that the variants explaining education get so rare–they are essentially found only in specific families–that the current GWAS approach which focuses on common alleles will not find them.

    As to race differences, the problem here is that many of the loci pinpointed in GWAS research are not in fact the causal loci. Instead, they are loci that are correlated with the causal loci. They are proxies for the causal loci, not the causal loci themselves. The same alleles are not necessarily proxies for causal alleles in different populations. GWAS samples consist mostly of Europeans, and the proxy loci work fine for Europeans, but they explain noticeably less variance in non-Europeans who have different correlation structures between their alleles. So, at this point GWAS findings cannot be directly used to test racial theories.

    • Replies: @SEATAF
    @Anonymous

    That's clarifying. Thanks.

  50. @Father O'Hara
    @JackOH

    Or prison.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    Or prison.

    My wife, a 4th grade teacher, could easily predict which of her students will end up in prison. She has one now who exhibits all of the traits of a psychopath (narcissism, low socialization) and who has THREE (count ’em, THREE) adult male relatives, including dad, on the sex offender registry.

    She’s pretty darn certain that sooner or later he’ll attack someone.

    Over the years, she’s seen several kids who, at 10 years of age, were very predictably headed to jail. Often their parents were in prison, too.

    Incidentally, one of her retired colleagues took a job as a bailiff and ran into more than a few of his former students as they worked their way through the criminal courts.

    Blank Slate? No. Not a chance.

  51. @Jimi
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Being bad with books doesn't make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren't able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Replies: @Ed, @MBlanc46, @AnotherDad, @oddsbodkins, @anon, @27 year old, @The Practical Conservative

    >The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Why not?

    Either liquidate them/us or create make-work for them/us.

  52. @Anonymous
    A few points of clarification:

    20% is the GCTA estimate for the heritability of years of schooling. It is, firstly, the lower bound estimate for the narrow-sense heritability of years of schooling and, secondly, the upper bound of what current GWAS investigations can explain by simply increasing the sample size. Twin studies indicate that the total heritability of years of schooling is about 40-50%. GWAS can capture at most half of that. The polygenic score constructed from the 600 hits now found explains 10% of differences in years of schooling. By increasing the sample size that might be pushed up to 20%. However, after that the variants explaining education get so rare--they are essentially found only in specific families--that the current GWAS approach which focuses on common alleles will not find them.

    As to race differences, the problem here is that many of the loci pinpointed in GWAS research are not in fact the causal loci. Instead, they are loci that are correlated with the causal loci. They are proxies for the causal loci, not the causal loci themselves. The same alleles are not necessarily proxies for causal alleles in different populations. GWAS samples consist mostly of Europeans, and the proxy loci work fine for Europeans, but they explain noticeably less variance in non-Europeans who have different correlation structures between their alleles. So, at this point GWAS findings cannot be directly used to test racial theories.

    Replies: @SEATAF

    That’s clarifying. Thanks.

  53. @gregor
    @Yak-15

    I expect they will scoff that it "only" explains 20 percent of the variation. That is a favorite argument against SAT scores and their supposedly poor predictability of first year grades.

    Replies: @e, @Yak-15

    I expect they will scoff that it “only” explains 20 percent of the variation.

    Yes, this.

  54. OT: so now the Jewish Conspiracy to remove the President of the United States from office using Soviet methods (“mental illness”) is making the rounds in Big Media (NPR, MSNBC, etc.)

    (((Terry Gross))) just interviewed (((Evan Osnos))) about how (((Jamie Raskin))) and (((Earl Blumenauer))) want Trump removed.

    You’d think conspiring to overthrow the gov’t of the United States would be a crime, or something.

    How Trump Could Get Fired

    • Replies: @bored identity
    @Svigor

    So, what else, besides really, really, really hating The Orangutan from Queens, these four name-quaking individuals have in common?

    Could it be maybe 23 & Superior Me* genetical constellation?


    (*I don't even know what does it mean, but I noticed that's how really, really, really smart people refer to each other when they talk to other not really, really, really smart people.)

  55. @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    We have developed a society in which being low-IQ is noncompetitive in the Darwinian sense and maladaptive, and low-IQ people can only survive on the sufferance of high-IQ people, who allow the others to collect enough welfare to live on. It's time to press a lot harder for sterilization and abortions, or we will never get out of this trap of having billions of people world-wide who cannot survive in an advanced Western society without massive welfare and handouts.

    The breeding trend of the world's poorest people is skywards. Those extra billions are coming from primitive societies who heading towards the type of population disaster that will completely overwhelm their environment's capacity to provide jobs and food. Does anyone think India can survive with 2 billion poor people? If everyone there had 4 kids, that's all it would take.

    In terms of survival, low-IQ people make me think of the maladaption of modern plants like corn. Modern-day corn plants cannot survive and reproduce any more without modern man and agriculture to help it along in the lab. As modern Western culture spreads, it reveals more and more native peoples who are totally maladapted to it and who cannot function at all in it without help from others.

    We are NOT going to stop advancing and revert back to what society was like 10,000 years ago. Modern life is only going to increase in complexity and become harder and harder to understand, navigate, and work in. Sterilization and abortion, people. We need them. We need to demand that people who cannot, or who refuse to support themselves--but who demand that WE support them--be sterilized. We must do it to keep them from destroying us.

    Replies: @27 year old

    >low-IQ people can only survive on the sufferance of high-IQ people, who

    > Sterilization and abortion, people. We need them. We need to demand that people who cannot, or who refuse to support themselves–but who demand that WE support them–be sterilized.

    Do you think it would be right for (((Mark Zuckerberg))) or an AI that he controls to conclude that you should be sterilized because you are comparatively low IQ?

  56. @Jimi
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Being bad with books doesn't make someone automatically good with their hands. If you aren't able to graduate from a mediocre state school chances are you will struggle in vocational schools and apprenticeships.

    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.

    Replies: @Ed, @MBlanc46, @AnotherDad, @oddsbodkins, @anon, @27 year old, @The Practical Conservative

    It’s called domestic service

  57. @dc.sunsets
    @AnotherDad

    I doubt Westerners have the stomach for what's necessary (connecting welfare of any sort to sterilization.) Our civilization's zenith is past.

    My wife teaches 4th grade in a Title 1 grade school and her stories inform me that the sky really is going to fall. This year a third of her class is undoubtedly too stupid (literally stupid) to perform even the simplest job.

    The one thing we see over and over: The drug-addled, "last-generation's Special Ed" adults produce large families (raised, most of the time by a single mom, multiple baby-daddies, white, black, green or brown, it doesn't matter.)

    Idiocracy isn't a comedy, and it is quite literally a prescient documentary.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative, @27 year old

    What number is large for you because the county level birth data doesn’t show anything like that.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @The Practical Conservative

    I've come to realize that your "Practicality" is the equivalent of what's known as cuckservatism. Very amusing.

  58. @Rod1963
    @Anonymous

    Go buy a McGuffey's Reader or Appleton's fifth Reader from the 1870's for grade school kids. The books are crammed with beautiful poetry and stories from leading English and American writers that would be considered college level reading material today.

    I doubt kids devolved that much so fast.

    This lack of interest I suspect comes from a lot causes ranging from bad school teachers and terrible course content to children getting their brains addled by overuse of computer technology which never let them develop properly.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Practical Conservative, @Alice

    Very few kids got to the fifth reader and many were only in school a couple months a year for 2 to 5 years. Not really comparable to the current year.

  59. @dc.sunsets
    @AnotherDad

    I doubt Westerners have the stomach for what's necessary (connecting welfare of any sort to sterilization.) Our civilization's zenith is past.

    My wife teaches 4th grade in a Title 1 grade school and her stories inform me that the sky really is going to fall. This year a third of her class is undoubtedly too stupid (literally stupid) to perform even the simplest job.

    The one thing we see over and over: The drug-addled, "last-generation's Special Ed" adults produce large families (raised, most of the time by a single mom, multiple baby-daddies, white, black, green or brown, it doesn't matter.)

    Idiocracy isn't a comedy, and it is quite literally a prescient documentary.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative, @27 year old

    My wife teaches DARE type classes in many different schools for ages K-8, she reports the same thing, maybe even higher percentages in the totally black/hispanic schools. The stories she tells about the White kids aren’t exactly encouraging either. Except for in one of the “good schools” though, a little White boy asked her on her first day if she voted for Trump. She said something like teachers aren’t supposed to tell kids who they vote for so kids can make up their own mind. The kid goes “well, here at THIS school, we like Trump.” Some hope there. She also reported a White girl age 7 has got her first period.

  60. @res
    @Peter Johnson

    John Fuerst has done some research in that area (intelligence and SNP frequencies between races). To get an idea how work of that sort is received, see http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Fuerst

    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.

    The article on our host is even more enlightening:

    Steve Sailer (born 1958) is a racist, misogynist, white supremacist, anti-Semite, Islamophobe, homophobe, classist, ableist, transphobe, transmisogynist, xenophobe, pseudo-scientist and all-round champion dickhead who can arguably be credited—if such a resumé can be to someone’s credit—as the godfather of pseudo-scientific online hate. If it’s foul, fetid and attempts to give itself a biological and/or intellectual veneer, then Sailer will have had a hand in it somewhere, trust us.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer

    • LOL: Triumph104
    • Replies: @res
    @for-the-record

    Quite the diatribe from a place priding itself on its "rationality." I guess that's the kind of rationality employed in the social "sciences."

    , @candid_observer
    @for-the-record


    Steve Sailer (born 1958) is a racist, misogynist, white supremacist, anti-Semite, Islamophobe, homophobe, classist, ableist, transphobe, transmisogynist, xenophobe, pseudo-scientist and all-round champion dickhead who can arguably be credited—if such a resumé can be to someone’s credit—as the godfather of pseudo-scientific online hate.

     

    Steve, as you asked about that Israeli teenager: Where do you get the energy?
    , @bored identity
    @for-the-record

    Are you sure that this is the whole article?

    It's just so hard to believe that they couldn't find a single negative thing to say about Sailer?!

    Like: "Winston Sailer is a Serial Whimmer."

    https://youtu.be/OXiNkR9AZFE

    , @phil
    @for-the-record

    For the multitude of terms used to describe Steve Sailer, I offer the following definitions:

    Racist: someone who accurately discerns racial differences

    Misogynist: someone who accurately discerns sex differences

    White supremacist: someone who notices that whites tend to do better in school than blacks (even when they have the same teachers), while acknowledging that Asians tend to do even better

    Anti-semite: someone who notices that Jews are disproportionately represented in Hollywood, the elite media, the political pundit class, the political donor class, the Ivy League, and other culture-shaping institutions

    Islamophobe: someone who notices that Muslims are responsible for a disproportionate number of terrorist attacks

    Homophobe: someone who notices that gay men tend to be overrepresented in the arts, while lesbian tend to be overrepresented in women’s sports—without their achievements being heralded as the achievements of lesbians

    Classist: someone who notices that people from the upper classes tend to be more intelligent, more conscientious, less impulsive, and less violent than people from the lower classes

    Ableist: someone who regards competent people to be more meritorious than incompetent people

    Transphobe: someone who says that participation on a women’s basketball team should be limited to women

    Xenophobe: someone who argues that the hundreds of millions of Africans who want to emigrate to the West should be vetted in a serious manner

    Pseudoscientist: someone who points out that the research indicating that intelligence is highly heritable has been replicated many times

  61. @Anonymous
    OT - Now that Puerto Rico has declared bankruptcy will the people of Puerto Rico be maligned like the people of Greece and to some extent southern Europe? Will the media come up with a catchy acronym like "PIGS" to describe Puerto Rico?

    Replies: @Ivy

    GIPPRS, and we don’t want to win one for them.

  62. @Peter Johnson
    @AaronB

    At least 20% genetic rather than 20% genetic. The other 80% is mostly unexplained; identifiable environmental influences are less than 5%. So variance across individuals is at least 20% genetic factors, less than 5% identifiable environmental influences, and 75% other/unexplained. The low explanatory power of identifiable environmental influences is a shock. The explanatory power of genetic variation will probably increase in coming years as the empirical research advances, IMHO. Not sure about environmental explanations.

    Replies: @AaronB

    It isn’t at all shocking that the environmental factors we can measure don’t count for much. People have known for millenia that intangible factors are the important ones. Only our age is too stupid to see that.

    Basically, we find what our tools are designed to find, and then are shocked that our tools did not find what they cannot, by definition, find.

    Our age is trapped in circular thinking.

    Once you’ve liberated yourself and stepped outside the circle, it becomes amusing to watch.

  63. @for-the-record
    @res


    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.
     
    The article on our host is even more enlightening:

    Steve Sailer (born 1958) is a racist, misogynist, white supremacist, anti-Semite, Islamophobe, homophobe, classist, ableist, transphobe, transmisogynist, xenophobe, pseudo-scientist and all-round champion dickhead who can arguably be credited—if such a resumé can be to someone's credit—as the godfather of pseudo-scientific online hate. If it's foul, fetid and attempts to give itself a biological and/or intellectual veneer, then Sailer will have had a hand in it somewhere, trust us.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer
     

    Replies: @res, @candid_observer, @bored identity, @phil

    Quite the diatribe from a place priding itself on its “rationality.” I guess that’s the kind of rationality employed in the social “sciences.”

  64. @gregor
    @Yak-15

    I expect they will scoff that it "only" explains 20 percent of the variation. That is a favorite argument against SAT scores and their supposedly poor predictability of first year grades.

    Replies: @e, @Yak-15

    The study is not out yet but I believe 20 pct is the entirety that they can identify in this early stage of the analytical process. Later, more advanced studies will certainly point out more relevant genetic structure.

  65. Alice says:
    @Rod1963
    @Anonymous

    Go buy a McGuffey's Reader or Appleton's fifth Reader from the 1870's for grade school kids. The books are crammed with beautiful poetry and stories from leading English and American writers that would be considered college level reading material today.

    I doubt kids devolved that much so fast.

    This lack of interest I suspect comes from a lot causes ranging from bad school teachers and terrible course content to children getting their brains addled by overuse of computer technology which never let them develop properly.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Practical Conservative, @Alice

    I agree with some qualifications.

    Our public school system doesn’t just teach SJWism at the expense of teaching about​ the greatness of American and WASP history. It teaches constructivist pedagogy at the expense of basic phonics and numeracy.

    Literally, most schools now do not teach phonics. Children are not taught which vowel combinations make which sounds; they aren’t taught which consonant combinations match which sounds. They are not taught systematic grammar or spelling. Explicitly, teachers reject the methods now because it is en Vogue to do so. “Blended literacy” teaches children to guess words on the page by opening syllables, context clues from the illustrations, and any other process that makes sense to them. Grammar is “caught not taught” meaning, magically, kids will learn grammar by hearing people speak to them. They aren’t taught rules for punctuation for similar reasons. In math, kids aren’t taught the standard computational algorithms for arithmetic anymore.

    Today, if you can’t figure out how to get information out of a book before the age of 10, you have no chance of doing so at 20. The effects are dramatic enough that kids from high income families are still illiterate and innumerate, but they managed to get employed at least.

    That said, the stock of children taught with McGuffey readers isn’t the same as the stock in today’s public schools. We aren’t out if East Anglia anymore. The taste for poetry is going away just as the taste for walks in the mountains and baseball has gone away.

  66. @Svigor
    OT: so now the Jewish Conspiracy to remove the President of the United States from office using Soviet methods ("mental illness") is making the rounds in Big Media (NPR, MSNBC, etc.)

    (((Terry Gross))) just interviewed (((Evan Osnos))) about how (((Jamie Raskin))) and (((Earl Blumenauer))) want Trump removed.

    You'd think conspiring to overthrow the gov't of the United States would be a crime, or something.

    How Trump Could Get Fired

    Replies: @bored identity

    So, what else, besides really, really, really hating The Orangutan from Queens, these four name-quaking individuals have in common?

    Could it be maybe 23 & Superior Me* genetical constellation?

    (*I don’t even know what does it mean, but I noticed that’s how really, really, really smart people refer to each other when they talk to other not really, really, really smart people.)

  67. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Jimi


    The lack of jobs for low-skilled people is not an easily solvable problem.
     
    Actually it is obviously quite an easily technically solvable problem--but the solution is morally wrong.

    However, the nations that are actually willing to address the long term problem with eugenics are the nations that will win. All the whining about it in the world doesn't change that.

    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on "competency" will win and be the nations of the future. Those that don't will sink into the abyss.

    Replies: @Elli, @Anon, @dc.sunsets, @Lot

    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on “competency” will win and be the nations of the future.

    Eugenics is very unpopular worldwide. Governments of all types and in all regions actively reduce IQ. Some examples:

    USA:
    – Mass low-iq immigration
    – Welfare policies that encourage early and frequent childbearing by low IQ single mothers
    – Making abortion more available to higher IQ people than poorer and low IQ people
    the income tax code’s marriage penalty
    – Education and student loan policies that decrease and delay the fertility of high-IQ young people

    China:
    – One child policy applies to high IQ Han population, not lower IQ non-Han Chinese
    – One child policy in practice applied more aggressively to higher IQ urban middle class, less to rural rice farmers
    – Reeducation camps and state-sanctioned murder campaigns against the old meritocratic middle class

    Russia:
    – Genocidal policies against landowning peasants and successful middle class people
    – Economic transfers from high-IQ Slavs, Balts, and Jews to low-IQ Caucasians and Turkics

    Germany:
    – Mass low-IQ immigration
    – Genocide against high IQ Ashkenazi
    – Starting aggressive wars and sending higher IQ recruits into the most dangerous positions on aircraft and submarines
    – Economic transfers from high-IQ Germans to low-IQ minorities

    • Replies: @anon
    @Lot

    Most of these examples are not exactly related to the government/elite actually wanting to diminish IQ.
    .
    A proper abortion isn't cheap, there's no need for the governments to make it difficult for poorer people to do it. Even illegal abortions aren't that common to find and usually end in botched operations.
    .
    The One Child Policy was made for all chinese, now they had to stop it because not only that, but the confucian tradition has conditioned the poorer chinese to kill their daughters and keep sons, now there's a population decline to their labor force despite still have lots of chinese to keep working. Rich high IQ chinese from the Party didn't even need to care much about One Child Policy, their choice to keep few children is more about enjoying more their riches by themselves and an hectic life in high positions, besides them choosing more quality than quantity.
    .
    About Russia and Germany, lots of intellectuals were killed, but still many survived. Even after Stalin's purges, an intellectual class still remained and resurfaced as seen by the advances the USSR still had during the Khrushchev era and beyond, the brain drain on Russia actually happened with the fall of USSR. The same for Germany that persecuted the Ashkenazi but lots of ethnic german intellectuals still remained.

  68. @for-the-record
    @res


    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.
     
    The article on our host is even more enlightening:

    Steve Sailer (born 1958) is a racist, misogynist, white supremacist, anti-Semite, Islamophobe, homophobe, classist, ableist, transphobe, transmisogynist, xenophobe, pseudo-scientist and all-round champion dickhead who can arguably be credited—if such a resumé can be to someone's credit—as the godfather of pseudo-scientific online hate. If it's foul, fetid and attempts to give itself a biological and/or intellectual veneer, then Sailer will have had a hand in it somewhere, trust us.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer
     

    Replies: @res, @candid_observer, @bored identity, @phil

    Steve Sailer (born 1958) is a racist, misogynist, white supremacist, anti-Semite, Islamophobe, homophobe, classist, ableist, transphobe, transmisogynist, xenophobe, pseudo-scientist and all-round champion dickhead who can arguably be credited—if such a resumé can be to someone’s credit—as the godfather of pseudo-scientific online hate.

    Steve, as you asked about that Israeli teenager: Where do you get the energy?

  69. A million is a lot for a pseudoscientific study, as Adam Serwer would put it.

    Steve, you should start using the term “21st Century Pseudo-Science” when referring to transgenderism, climate models, etc. Just to piss Serwer off.

    The arrogance to put down the 19th century like that. As if Darwin or Mendeleev were Lilliputians compared to Neal DeGrasse Dyson or Bill Nye.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/860281456400183296

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave, I take it you meant Mendel and not Mendeleev?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  70. @Dave Pinsen
    A million is a lot for a pseudoscientific study, as Adam Serwer would put it.

    Steve, you should start using the term "21st Century Pseudo-Science" when referring to transgenderism, climate models, etc. Just to piss Serwer off.

    The arrogance to put down the 19th century like that. As if Darwin or Mendeleev were Lilliputians compared to Neal DeGrasse Dyson or Bill Nye.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/860281456400183296

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Dave, I take it you meant Mendel and not Mendeleev?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @PiltdownMan

    Mendeleev, periodic table guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Mendeleev

    Though Mendel was no slouch either.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  71. @PiltdownMan
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave, I take it you meant Mendel and not Mendeleev?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Mendeleev, periodic table guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Mendeleev

    Though Mendel was no slouch either.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Dave Pinsen

    Sure. I thought it might be Darwin and Mendel, rather than Darwin and Mendeleev, because of the obvious associations with heredity, genetics and hence, HBD.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  72. @Dave Pinsen
    @PiltdownMan

    Mendeleev, periodic table guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Mendeleev

    Though Mendel was no slouch either.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Sure. I thought it might be Darwin and Mendel, rather than Darwin and Mendeleev, because of the obvious associations with heredity, genetics and hence, HBD.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @PiltdownMan

    Understood, closer connection there. Just pointing out the silliness of using "19th Century" as a pejorative. Some great science was done back then.

  73. @Rod1963
    @JackOH


    They’d be better off in vocational schools, informal and formal apprenticeships, and so on.
     
    Not really, students in a vocational tracks like automotive repair, industrial electrician, welding, computer repair, HVAC mechanic have to know a lot. And that means book learning.

    No desire to book study means you aren't going to succeed in the trades.

    Replies: @res, @anonymous-antiskynetist

    We were all supposed to retrain for high tech keyboard jockey jobs in cubes. A whole generation of American welders and machinists never got apprenticed. Now, as I can attest from working in heavy construction, we import at least half, and probably more, of our certified welders from the West Indies, Ireland and Eastern Europe.

  74. @oddsbodkins
    @Peter Johnson

    Where can we read about the distribution of these identified SNPs among ethnic groups?

    Replies: @415 reasons

  75. @for-the-record
    @res


    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.
     
    The article on our host is even more enlightening:

    Steve Sailer (born 1958) is a racist, misogynist, white supremacist, anti-Semite, Islamophobe, homophobe, classist, ableist, transphobe, transmisogynist, xenophobe, pseudo-scientist and all-round champion dickhead who can arguably be credited—if such a resumé can be to someone's credit—as the godfather of pseudo-scientific online hate. If it's foul, fetid and attempts to give itself a biological and/or intellectual veneer, then Sailer will have had a hand in it somewhere, trust us.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer
     

    Replies: @res, @candid_observer, @bored identity, @phil

    Are you sure that this is the whole article?

    It’s just so hard to believe that they couldn’t find a single negative thing to say about Sailer?!

    Like: “Winston Sailer is a Serial Whimmer.”

  76. Jimi says:
    @MBlanc46
    @Jimi

    Sane economic policy would address the problem of semi-productive work for the low-skilled. Alas, there's little chance of ever having a sane economic policy in the US.

    Replies: @Jimi

    I don’t have a solution but I don’t want to make the problem worse. NYC streets are filled with Bangladeshis running fruit stands and chicken and rice stands.

    In 20 years their children may not be more skilled than the parents but as American citizens will demand better jobs. Will our society be able to help them?

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Jimi

    You are mistaken about Bangladeshis. No Asian group underperforms blacks and Hispanics, not even Hmongs. When Bangladeshis are culturally integrated they perform above average.


    “When I went to Bronx Science, there were maybe six or seven Bangladeshi students per grade,” said Khan, class of 1999. According to one of his former students, Ishraq Chowdhury, class of 2012 at Bronx Science, about 13 to 15 percent of the school’s total population of about 3,000 students are of Bangladeshi descent. The school did not return requests to confirm the numbers. LINK
     

    Students from some ethnic minority groups in Britain such as Chinese, Indian, Black African and Bangladeshi have significantly improved their grades over the last two decades.

    They are achieving higher than the national averages, pointing to improving social mobility from ethnic groups who have traditionally struggled to get good grades at GCSE. LINK
     

  77. @oddsbodkins
    @Jimi

    What if you just export the least competant 10% to some other country, and make it their problem?

    Replies: @Jimi

    Other countries have been doing that to the USA!

  78. @Jimi
    @MBlanc46

    I don't have a solution but I don't want to make the problem worse. NYC streets are filled with Bangladeshis running fruit stands and chicken and rice stands.

    In 20 years their children may not be more skilled than the parents but as American citizens will demand better jobs. Will our society be able to help them?

    Replies: @Triumph104

    You are mistaken about Bangladeshis. No Asian group underperforms blacks and Hispanics, not even Hmongs. When Bangladeshis are culturally integrated they perform above average.

    “When I went to Bronx Science, there were maybe six or seven Bangladeshi students per grade,” said Khan, class of 1999. According to one of his former students, Ishraq Chowdhury, class of 2012 at Bronx Science, about 13 to 15 percent of the school’s total population of about 3,000 students are of Bangladeshi descent. The school did not return requests to confirm the numbers. LINK

    Students from some ethnic minority groups in Britain such as Chinese, Indian, Black African and Bangladeshi have significantly improved their grades over the last two decades.

    They are achieving higher than the national averages, pointing to improving social mobility from ethnic groups who have traditionally struggled to get good grades at GCSE. LINK

  79. @PiltdownMan
    @Dave Pinsen

    Sure. I thought it might be Darwin and Mendel, rather than Darwin and Mendeleev, because of the obvious associations with heredity, genetics and hence, HBD.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Understood, closer connection there. Just pointing out the silliness of using “19th Century” as a pejorative. Some great science was done back then.

  80. Like you, I’m generally in awe of 19th Century science and scientists.

    My favorite is perhaps George Cayley. He figured out the principles of aeronautics and the associated math, stone cold, by 1810, living in a pre-modern (to us) environment in the English countryside.

    The 6th Baronet Cayley leisurely waited another forty-odd years before he built a working glider with the proper airfoil wings and control surfaces. The story goes that, in true aristocratic style, he had his hapless footman be the passenger on that first test of a working prototype. The man, utterly shaken, submitted his resignation immediately upon the successful conclusion of the flight.

  81. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @AnotherDad


    Nations that take some steps to restore some sort of selection on “competency” will win and be the nations of the future.
     
    Eugenics is very unpopular worldwide. Governments of all types and in all regions actively reduce IQ. Some examples:

    USA:
    - Mass low-iq immigration
    - Welfare policies that encourage early and frequent childbearing by low IQ single mothers
    - Making abortion more available to higher IQ people than poorer and low IQ people
    the income tax code's marriage penalty
    - Education and student loan policies that decrease and delay the fertility of high-IQ young people

    China:
    - One child policy applies to high IQ Han population, not lower IQ non-Han Chinese
    - One child policy in practice applied more aggressively to higher IQ urban middle class, less to rural rice farmers
    - Reeducation camps and state-sanctioned murder campaigns against the old meritocratic middle class

    Russia:
    - Genocidal policies against landowning peasants and successful middle class people
    - Economic transfers from high-IQ Slavs, Balts, and Jews to low-IQ Caucasians and Turkics

    Germany:
    - Mass low-IQ immigration
    - Genocide against high IQ Ashkenazi
    - Starting aggressive wars and sending higher IQ recruits into the most dangerous positions on aircraft and submarines
    - Economic transfers from high-IQ Germans to low-IQ minorities

    Replies: @anon

    Most of these examples are not exactly related to the government/elite actually wanting to diminish IQ.
    .
    A proper abortion isn’t cheap, there’s no need for the governments to make it difficult for poorer people to do it. Even illegal abortions aren’t that common to find and usually end in botched operations.
    .
    The One Child Policy was made for all chinese, now they had to stop it because not only that, but the confucian tradition has conditioned the poorer chinese to kill their daughters and keep sons, now there’s a population decline to their labor force despite still have lots of chinese to keep working. Rich high IQ chinese from the Party didn’t even need to care much about One Child Policy, their choice to keep few children is more about enjoying more their riches by themselves and an hectic life in high positions, besides them choosing more quality than quantity.
    .
    About Russia and Germany, lots of intellectuals were killed, but still many survived. Even after Stalin’s purges, an intellectual class still remained and resurfaced as seen by the advances the USSR still had during the Khrushchev era and beyond, the brain drain on Russia actually happened with the fall of USSR. The same for Germany that persecuted the Ashkenazi but lots of ethnic german intellectuals still remained.

  82. phil says:
    @Nico
    @Yak-15

    That a "better" environment leads to an overall better outcome for any innate level is actually less than clear. I've known cases of children adopted from birth by "uppity" parents who became frustrated that their child never performed academically as strongly as they would have and treated them unjustly compared to biological children. Materially the adopted children were of course better off in adulthood than they likely would have been coming from a less privileged milieu (and not inheriting any money) but came to bitterly resent their adoptive parents and even sometimes engage in destructive behavior with respect to their own selves and even their own eventual families.

    That there is a biological component to IQ and that IQ is of social and psychological significance ought to be obvious to anyone who's willing to make the slightest effort to observe the world without any rose-intersected glasses. The problem is that due to the complex gene-environment interaction for *any* trait expression up to and including eye color, splitting up and quantifying each atomic component is a fool's errand. This is what the left exploits to engage in HBD obscurantism.

    Replies: @phil

    In The g Factor, Jensen reported that the IQs of children are correlated with the socioeconomic status of their biological parents. However, in the case of orphans , the IQs of children are NOT correlated with the socioeconomic status of their adoptive parents. The fact that there is a correlation in the case of biological children is explained by the fact that parents’ socioeconomic status tends to reflect parental IQ; the parents’ IQ then tends to be transmitted genetically to biologically-related children (but not to adopted children).

    Harvard’s Gregory Mankiw made these simple points on his blog, whereupon he was attacked by Berkeley’s Brad DeLong.

  83. @dc.sunsets
    It's rationalizations (turtles), all the way down.

    We're still in (possibly the final stages of) the mother of all credit bubbles and resultant asset mania(s.) Borrowing-to-spend during the last 35 years produced, for every dollar borrowed, one dollar to cascade through the economy, producing "GDP," and a SECOND dollar in the bond market, treated as a receivable and therefore an asset.

    The hivemind was released to borrow, borrow, borrow and see wealth, wealth, wealth as a result. Higher Ed, Medical Services (including drugs, devices and insurance), Welfare Distribution & Administration thereof, the FIRE economy (including banking of course) and the old standby of Military-Industrial-Complex were first in line for the newly created (credit) money, so all that demand warped economic decisions in favor of primarily the aforementioned industry segments.

    A vast array of rationalizations arose to "justify" all this borrowing.
    --"Everyone" should go to college.
    --"Poverty" can be eliminated.
    --"Everyone has a RIGHT to the best medical care produced."
    --"Buy & Hold for the long term," or "Everyone is entitled to a dignified retirement, and has a right to favorable tax treatment of investments in the asset markets." Stocks always go up in the long run, and the real risk of investing is to NOT be invested at all times.
    --Invade the world to make Planet Earth into the Garden of Eden.
    --Invite the world because the lifestyle of Americans is EVERYONE'S right.

    Facts are facts, but only those that support the dominant rationalizations are actually visible. What we're seeing in all these genetic studies (and what they reveal) will be ignored/discounted/vilified until the ability to sustain borrowing-to-spend evaporates.

    When this long, debt-fueled boom ends (later this year? next year? next decade?) the rationalizations will change. Genetic studies of today will form the foundation of the new rationalizations that become dominant under those (new and different) conditions.

    While the process promises to be painful and chaotic, I hope to take a step back and watch it from a wider perspective because this transition is a rare thing to experience. We should in all likelihood be able to watch the most mainstream of people ask, "what the heck were people thinking?" when in fact it was they who just a few years earlier were thinking just that.

    Look for all of today's dominant beliefs about these areas to pull a complete Poseidon Adventure in the next few years or decade.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    “While the process promises to be painful and chaotic, I hope to take a step back and watch it from a wider perspective because this transition is a rare thing to experience. We should in all likelihood be able to watch the most mainstream of people ask, “what the heck were people thinking?” when in fact it was they who just a few years earlier were thinking just that.”

    A pipe dream. Pie in the sky fodder.

  84. phil says:
    @for-the-record
    @res


    P.S. Note the iSteve reference at the link.
     
    The article on our host is even more enlightening:

    Steve Sailer (born 1958) is a racist, misogynist, white supremacist, anti-Semite, Islamophobe, homophobe, classist, ableist, transphobe, transmisogynist, xenophobe, pseudo-scientist and all-round champion dickhead who can arguably be credited—if such a resumé can be to someone's credit—as the godfather of pseudo-scientific online hate. If it's foul, fetid and attempts to give itself a biological and/or intellectual veneer, then Sailer will have had a hand in it somewhere, trust us.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer
     

    Replies: @res, @candid_observer, @bored identity, @phil

    For the multitude of terms used to describe Steve Sailer, I offer the following definitions:

    Racist: someone who accurately discerns racial differences

    Misogynist: someone who accurately discerns sex differences

    White supremacist: someone who notices that whites tend to do better in school than blacks (even when they have the same teachers), while acknowledging that Asians tend to do even better

    Anti-semite: someone who notices that Jews are disproportionately represented in Hollywood, the elite media, the political pundit class, the political donor class, the Ivy League, and other culture-shaping institutions

    Islamophobe: someone who notices that Muslims are responsible for a disproportionate number of terrorist attacks

    Homophobe: someone who notices that gay men tend to be overrepresented in the arts, while lesbian tend to be overrepresented in women’s sports—without their achievements being heralded as the achievements of lesbians

    Classist: someone who notices that people from the upper classes tend to be more intelligent, more conscientious, less impulsive, and less violent than people from the lower classes

    Ableist: someone who regards competent people to be more meritorious than incompetent people

    Transphobe: someone who says that participation on a women’s basketball team should be limited to women

    Xenophobe: someone who argues that the hundreds of millions of Africans who want to emigrate to the West should be vetted in a serious manner

    Pseudoscientist: someone who points out that the research indicating that intelligence is highly heritable has been replicated many times

  85. @The Practical Conservative
    @dc.sunsets

    What number is large for you because the county level birth data doesn't show anything like that.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    I’ve come to realize that your “Practicality” is the equivalent of what’s known as cuckservatism. Very amusing.

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