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In January 1997, I started a clinical trial for non-Hodgkins lymphatic cancer. It was a very promising trial consisting of both the standard treatment, the CHOP chemotherapy, and a revolutionary drug called rituximab (brand name Rituxan), the first monoclonal antibody to direct the immune system to the cancer cells.

This pioneering monoclonal antibody was a huge success, probably earning 11 digits in revenue before going off patent a few years ago, thus the number of very smart researchers making contributions to its development was huge. Modern medical breakthroughs tend to be vastly complicated involving many scientists. So, I don’t want to take anything away from what are no doubt other people who have a good claim to helping invent Rituxan, such as Lee Nadler and Puerto Rican Antonio Grillo-Lopez.

Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian). (Here’s a brief history of IDEC.)

Thanks.

 
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  1. Conclusion: We need more Jews and Palestinians in the US!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It's fine to be a truck driver. It's fine that there are people out there--including Jews and nonwhites--who are smarter and more productive than you.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Richard B, @Dmon, @Jim Don Bob

    , @JimDandy
    @Mike Tre

    Hey, has Jesus' Sermon On The Mount been designated as antisemitic hate speech yet?

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mike Tre

    , @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Mike Tre

    What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    , @Twinkie
    @Mike Tre


    Conclusion: We need more Jews and Palestinians in the US!
     
    BOHICA, man:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/13/us-colleges-international-students-increase-post-pandemic/

    Fueled by record numbers from India and other South Asian countries, the head count of international students at U.S. colleges and universities and in related training programs has surged at the fastest growth rate in more than 40 years and recovered almost all the ground lost during the coronavirus pandemic.

    A report released Monday found 1,057,188 international students in the U.S. higher education system during the 2022-23 school year, up nearly 12 percent from the previous year. Not since the late 1970s has the total grown that much in one year. These students bring global perspectives to campuses and account for more than 5 percent of postsecondary enrollment in the United States.

    The total from India reached 268,923, up 35 percent, according to the Open Doors report from the State Department and the Institute of International Education. That set a record for what is now the world’s most populous nation.
     

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  2. A Jew and a Palestinian…

    … walk into a bar. A hot young big-breasted bar patron turns around, “I spilled my 3rd Scotch & Soda. Anyone got a dishrag?”

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, you leave me no choice.
    An Irishman, a Jew and a Greek all die and are sent to Hell. They get to caterwauling so loudly that finally, the check-in demon just can't stand it any longer. "I'll tell you what I'm going to do", he says. "I'm going to send you all back upstairs, but you're on the watch list. If you even so much as think of committing a sin, you'll be back down here in an instant". He snaps his fingers, there is a puff of red smoke, and the three find themselves back walking along the street. They are effusively thankful, and each swears that from now on, he will not so much as think of sinning. After a while, they pass by a bar. The Irishman thinks to himself, "Ah, and 'twould sure be nice to celebrate with a drink". There is a puff of red smoke, and the Irishman disappears. The Jew and the Greek continue on until they spot a penny on the sidewalk, and the Jew bends over to pick it up. There is a puff of red smoke and the Greek disappears.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Renard, @martin_2

    , @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A Cuban, an Italian, and a Palestinian are lounging next to the sea.

    The Cuban opens a box of cigars, pulls one out and lights it, then throws the box into the sea. The other two look at him quizzically. "In Cuba, I have more cigars than I could possibly need."

    The Italian pulls out a bottle of wine, pours a glass, and tosses the bottle into a he sea. The other two look at him quizzically. "In Italy, I have more wine than I could possibly need."

    Just then a Jew walked by. The Palestinian threw him in the ocean.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Director95
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A black, a Mexican and a Puerto Rican are riding in a car.
    Who's driving?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    The Cop.

  3. Do Levantine Christians from what is now Israel like being called Palestinians?

    Certainly some of them do, such as those in the 1980s PLO. The middle eastern Christians I know in America however do not see themselves as the same nationality or ethnicity as Muslims. They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language. One such Christian born in Iraq says he’s a Mesopotamian, not an Iraqi or Arab.

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    @Pixo

    I once met a young Jordanian woman, married to a White American, who called herself a Palestinian but took pains to say that she was Christian and "not a terrorist" she added with a laugh. She also said her maiden name was "Kahane" (or something like that) which means "priest." I wonder how many other Palestinians have surnames that are variants of common Jewish names.

    Replies: @Gordo, @John Gruskos

    , @Anonymous
    @Pixo


    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.
     
    I've known Lebanese and Palestinian Christians from going to Catholic schools growing up and in college. I don't recall any of them identifying with Israelis. They were from well off, bourgeois mercantile backgrounds and tended to be proud of their Lebanese and Palestinian background. They weren't fanatics but they did have views/attitudes that would be considered anti-Israel/anti-Jewish.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Anonymous
    @Pixo

    Ralph Nader and the political pollster James Zogby are of Lebanese Christian background and have long been accused of being anti-Semitic for expressing sympathy for the Palestinians and Arabs more generally.

    Former Michigan Representative Justin Amash is of Palestinian Christian background and has family in Gaza:

    https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1715470077196194068

    , @Sleep
    @Pixo

    I've only known one person well enough to answer this, and that was only an online friendship, but I'd say it's possible to be strongly Palestinian and yet recognize that one would have no place there if a larger Palestinian state were achieved at the expense of Israel.

    There are a small number of the so-called old Semitic peoples such as Assyrians still living in Iraq, alongside the Kurds who are also non-Arab and are much more numerous. I don't know how genetic self-identification works there ... maybe it's patrilineal, or maybe it's more about religion.

    ....


    It was a very promising trial consisting of both the standard treatment, the CHOP chemotherapy,
     
    So .... was CHOP (in Seattle) a pun? Antifa isn't known for its intellectualism, so I suspect it's just a coincidence, but I suppose there might be one or two bright minds in the group who thought CHAZ sounded a bit cliché and also thought they were ridding their world of the "cancer" of toxic white supremacy.

    Again, I'm always reminded how delicate life is, and how for all our achievements, we all have the same biological weaknesses. I'm very glad I found your site so early in my adult life and have been able to learn so much from reading what you and others write here.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    , @Anonymous
    @Pixo


    They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language.
     
    That's more Maronites and Copts. Lots of proud Arabs among the non-Maronite Catholics and the Orthodox. Not all, of course. But in my experience even those among the non-Maronite Catholics and Orthodox who emphasize belonging to a separate, non-Arab identity are still more likely to be Lebanese than anything else. Not a phenomenon I've noticed much among other Levantine Christians.

    As for Iraq, the vast majority are Assyrians. There's some identity/terminology war among them, largely along confessional lines. Assyrian, Chaldean, Syriac, Aramaic, some disagreement over their true historic ancestry... But looks like they'll have to hash it out in Sweden and in Michigan. I don't know much about non-Assyrian Iraqi Christians or how deep and sincerely held their Arab identity is.

    Palestinian Christians, Israeli citizens or not, tend to be very proud and nationalistic Palestinians. One would have to swallow a lot of Israeli propaganda to think otherwise. Not even thinking of those who became leftist celebrities on the back of being loud Arabs and Palestinians, I just mean ordinary Palestinian Christians.

    I cn't say I fully understand them. As bad as Israel has been to them, things were, in the long run, unlikely to be great for them either way. Those who've managed to stick around within today's Israel and are Israeli citizens should count their blessings, as bad as things might be for them. Just look at the Middle East. Their situation could be so much worse. Yes, Jordan's not that bad, but who knows what the next Arab Spring might bring. If I were an Arab Christian, I might sip champagne in the lap of Western leftist luxury in the name of the Arab world and Palestine were I so inclinded, but I sure as hell wouldn't kill or die for them. Pointless, long lost causes.

    Two theories. I feel like it's some combination of both.

    1) They're high on their own pan-Arabist (or even Palestinian nationalist) supply. They were the pioneers and the strident leaders, and after a while, being in so deep, they lost sight of what the pan-Arabism was keeping at bay, and why. And after all, modern pan-Arabism was born in the age of progress and protection under Western colonialism, so even at the outset, it was already somewhat detached from the ugly reality.

    2) They've felt comfortable in the belief that being the engine of what Palestinian economy there is (beyond foreign aid) and their vastly disproportionate wealth compared to the Muslim Palestinian supermajority will protect them. But it wouldn't be the first or the last time that Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, or jealously cut off their nose to spite their face trying to solve the pesky rich kuffar problem, with no plan for what to do afterwards. But I guess maybe they just really like being the big fishe in a tiny pond, and prefer it to the alternative, risks be damned.

    , @Anonymous
    @Pixo


    Lots of proud Arabs among the non-Maronite Catholics and the Orthodox.
     
    Oh, and the Anglicans, of course. Who can forget the Anglicans.

    Anyway, here's an interesting document of this failed cause, from 1974 (still can't believe the 70s were 50 years ago), just as things were about to explode in Lebanon.

    A wildly disproportionate number of interviewees are Christians. I guess they were more presentable, especially as the face of what was then supposed to be a secular and inclusive movement.

    Hasib Sabbagh at 26:00, a middle class family 29:00, the Mayor of Betlehem 37:00.

    Lots of footage of Palestinians training.

    Five decades since, and nothing to show for any of it but some comfy careers and the destruction (or at least the acceleration and exacerbation of the inevitable ruin) of Lebanon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8smArpgdwMA

    , @AnotherDad
    @Pixo


    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.
     
    Palestinian Christian Arabs no doubt have highly varying levels of attachment to and interest in the affairs of their ancestral homeland--as is true for English, Irish, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Mexicans, Indians, Chinese ... And a bunch of them probably have very negative attitudes to muzzie nutters like Hamas.

    But the actually identify with Israelis"--as opposed to just "what's done is done just leave it alone" (a very good attitude)-- faction would be lucky to break 1%. It's a Jewsih state. Identifying with Israel is the province of Jews, and a bunch of clueless, mostly American, brain-addled Christians. Normal people do not like seeing or hearing about their people pushed around and dispossessed and the typical American of Palestinian origin is going to be normal, regardless of when their ancestors came here.

    It's always enlightening to see the people who can whine and nurse grudges about ethnic rioting in the Ukraine in the 19th century, or Harvard's diversity preserving quotas or invites to Waspy Acres Golf and Country Club in 20th, just can't quite see why people might bear a grudge over ethnic cleansing and full on national dispossession in the 1940s ... and continuing on to this day. I mean, come on, all water under the bridge.

    ~~

    Bottom line, the establishment Jewish position:

    1) Any white who simply wants to keep the yahoos out and preserve their historic nation for their own people is a xenophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, Nazi.

    0) Israeli--bravely and heroically settled (with a little "encouragement" for the natives toward the exits)--the homeland of the Jewish people-for going on 75 years!--is the lone legitimate ethnic nation and deserves your military and tax-payer support.

    See "chutzpah".
  4. I’m very glad for you that American biological science came up with Rixutan to help (I gather) save your life. I’m sure these 2 guys are highly assimilated Americans now and would get along great … just possibly not if they started talking politics at the bar after 3 Scotches & Sodas…

  5. A Jew, a Palestinian, and a camel walk into a pub.

    The P orders a non-alcoholic beer, the J orders a glass of kosher wine, and the camel asks for water.

    The P raises his glass and says “From the river to the sea.”

    The J raises his glass and toasts “Eretz Israel”.

    The camel looks gloomily at the barmaid and says “Sorry, love, I can’t take these buggers anywhere without them making trouble.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  6. Dr. Albright said it’s worth it to kill 500,000 Arab kids.

    How should the families of those dead Arab kids feel about Jews?

  7. @Pixo
    Do Levantine Christians from what is now Israel like being called Palestinians?

    Certainly some of them do, such as those in the 1980s PLO. The middle eastern Christians I know in America however do not see themselves as the same nationality or ethnicity as Muslims. They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language. One such Christian born in Iraq says he’s a Mesopotamian, not an Iraqi or Arab.

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Sleep, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    I once met a young Jordanian woman, married to a White American, who called herself a Palestinian but took pains to say that she was Christian and “not a terrorist” she added with a laugh. She also said her maiden name was “Kahane” (or something like that) which means “priest.” I wonder how many other Palestinians have surnames that are variants of common Jewish names.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Fidelios Automata

    Second highest concentration of the Cohenim gene is amongst Palestinians, for what that is worth, maybe they could try living together?

    , @John Gruskos
    @Fidelios Automata

    The ancestors of the Palestinians were the very large number of ancient Jews who believed in Jesus and formed the original core of the Christian church.

    Unlike the Pharisees, these Jewish Christians did not participate in the revolts against Rome and were not expelled from Palestine.

    After the Muslim conquest of Palestine, some converted to Islam while others remained Christian.

    Taking this history into account, the full absurdity of "Christian Zionism" is revealed.

    According to the "Christian Zionists", the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who rejected Christ ("Jews") are "blessed" precisely because they rejected him, while the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who accepted Christ ("Palestinians") are "cursed" precisely because they accepted him.

    "Christian Zionists" need to repent of their wicked heresy. The blood of the martyrs murdered by IDF terrorists at the Gaza Baptist Hospital and at Saint Porphyrios Church is on the hands of the "Christian Zionists".

    Replies: @Malla

  8. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo
    Do Levantine Christians from what is now Israel like being called Palestinians?

    Certainly some of them do, such as those in the 1980s PLO. The middle eastern Christians I know in America however do not see themselves as the same nationality or ethnicity as Muslims. They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language. One such Christian born in Iraq says he’s a Mesopotamian, not an Iraqi or Arab.

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Sleep, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    I’ve known Lebanese and Palestinian Christians from going to Catholic schools growing up and in college. I don’t recall any of them identifying with Israelis. They were from well off, bourgeois mercantile backgrounds and tended to be proud of their Lebanese and Palestinian background. They weren’t fanatics but they did have views/attitudes that would be considered anti-Israel/anti-Jewish.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anonymous

    TBH, I know of only one pro-Israeli Palestinian Christian, and he also posts that he can write better than Shakespeare, so I’m not sure how much is for real.

    Replies: @Anonoymous

  9. Steve, I don’t believe in God, but your own experience of just barely surviving cancer due to the timely invention of a miracle drug does make me just a tiny bit closer towards belief in God, you know? Maybe from 1% to 2%. You wrote a lot of good stuff in the years and decades after your cancer recovery and survival, after all.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Mr. XYZ

    There is some philosophy & ethics involved here.

    I am perhaps not too delicate about these matters, just... I don't care- pain aside- if a person dies relatively young in his life if he is alone & has no one to mourn him. He may be a genius like Niels Abel, but it is essentially of minor importance (in my eyes).

    What matters is if his death will strike his family, spouse or children, and maybe parents. Then, it truly matters. Then, it is somehow "not fair".

    In other cases, I prefer Greek "Whom the gods love...".

    , @pyrrhus
    @Mr. XYZ

    It's one of innumerable such stories....

  10. Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian).

    Another Arab-Jewish collaboration was America’s first #1 reggae hit, that of Andy Kim and Jeff Barry:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Reg Cæsar

    I didn’t know that Andy Kim was Lebanese. His photo at Wikipedia looks very Middle Eastern.

    From the name alone I’d have guessed Korean. Thanks for the info.

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil, @BB753

    , @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not really. The essence of reggae (and ska, the older faster-tempoed music this more resembles) is the guitar plays the offbeats, but leaving more space than here, and the bass guitar does _something else_in all that space under the vocal line. Calling this reggae like saying the Beatles is classical music for containing authentic cadences.

    , @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Reg Cæsar

    I believe this came a little earlier:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wSXTN2EfRo

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I've been a reggae fan since adolescence and I would never have considered "Sugar, Sugar" to be reggae. It's a good song though.

    "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da", from a year earlier, is more reggae than that IMHO.

    But reggae and its predecessors calypso, mento, ska and bluebeat were around for decades before and the point where one form merges into another is moot....

    Skinhead culture emerged in the UK around 1968/9 and the skinhead boys and girls were a rough crowd... us grammar school boys always avoided walking past the local youth club at chucking out time ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blPVNVhuQnY

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  11. @Achmed E. Newman
    A Jew and a Palestinian...

    ... walk into a bar. A hot young big-breasted bar patron turns around, "I spilled my 3rd Scotch & Soda. Anyone got a dishrag?"

    Replies: @Dmon, @Anonymous, @Director95

    Well, you leave me no choice.
    An Irishman, a Jew and a Greek all die and are sent to Hell. They get to caterwauling so loudly that finally, the check-in demon just can’t stand it any longer. “I’ll tell you what I’m going to do”, he says. “I’m going to send you all back upstairs, but you’re on the watch list. If you even so much as think of committing a sin, you’ll be back down here in an instant”. He snaps his fingers, there is a puff of red smoke, and the three find themselves back walking along the street. They are effusively thankful, and each swears that from now on, he will not so much as think of sinning. After a while, they pass by a bar. The Irishman thinks to himself, “Ah, and ‘twould sure be nice to celebrate with a drink”. There is a puff of red smoke, and the Irishman disappears. The Jew and the Greek continue on until they spot a penny on the sidewalk, and the Jew bends over to pick it up. There is a puff of red smoke and the Greek disappears.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Dmon

    Would that be better with an Armenian? Yekoumian or somesuch.

    , @Renard
    @Dmon


    The Jew and the Greek continue on until they spot a penny on the sidewalk, and the Jew bends over to pick it up. There is a puff of red smoke and the Greek disappears.
     
    Silly rabbi! That's the Jewish version.

    In the original version they both disappear.

    Get it? Their favorite things?? Is this thing on??

    Replies: @Dmon

    , @martin_2
    @Dmon

    I don't get it. Can someone please explain?

  12. Levy is in the US & Hanna is in Israel.

  13. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    A Jew and a Palestinian...

    ... walk into a bar. A hot young big-breasted bar patron turns around, "I spilled my 3rd Scotch & Soda. Anyone got a dishrag?"

    Replies: @Dmon, @Anonymous, @Director95

    A Cuban, an Italian, and a Palestinian are lounging next to the sea.

    The Cuban opens a box of cigars, pulls one out and lights it, then throws the box into the sea. The other two look at him quizzically. “In Cuba, I have more cigars than I could possibly need.”

    The Italian pulls out a bottle of wine, pours a glass, and tosses the bottle into a he sea. The other two look at him quizzically. “In Italy, I have more wine than I could possibly need.”

    Just then a Jew walked by. The Palestinian threw him in the ocean.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous

    Is it too soon for a bulldozer joke?

  14. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian).

    Thanks.

    These two benefited from the Northwestern European peoples and the societies they build. The invention is as much an achievement of Northwestern Europeans as it is of these two individuals. You should thank Northwestern Europeans, specifically Anglo-Saxons, first and foremost.

    Don’t be an ingrate, Steve.

    • LOL: Erik L
    • Replies: @Mike Ricci
    @Anonymous

    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @SFG, @bomag

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous

    This is a very tenuous way of reasoning.

    These medical researchers, true, have been working in a society established- mostly- by NW Europeans, but NW Europeans would have been nothing without Western civilization founded by classical Greeks who, in turn, borrowed their script from Phoenicians whose culture was unimaginable without Sumerians, the first civilization on earth.

    So, anyone who does anything worthy in the 20th & 21st C should be completely grateful to- Sumerians. Steve should be lighting candles every day in gratitude to Sumerians.

    On a more serious note, I read an interview with Lee Nadler (medical researcher) which illustrates what I usually call the illusion of free will (or, better, the illusion of a free individual).

    Nadler says in an interview (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2014809/):
    ......................................

    Roberts: You never needed more than 4 or 5 hours of sleep? Is that right?

    Nadler: No, I am always tired. I work hard. Five to 6 hours of sleep is great. When I was a houseofficer, I hardly remember sleeping at all every other night and then every third night.
    .....................................................
    Roberts: What time do you get up every morning?

    Nadler: 4:30 am.

    Roberts: You get to work at what time?

    Nadler: I go to the gym at 5:30 every morning and get to work at 7:00 am.

    Roberts: What time do you go home?

    Nadler: The earliest is 6:00 pm and the latest, 10:00 pm.
    ............................................


    Well, congratulations, but only a man of exceptional health & absolutely extraordinary metabolism could live like that. Nadler simply has a gift of having extremely good health. He takes care of himself, but there would be nothing to take care of had he been in poor health initially or genetically. There is no "heroic overcoming of your inadequacies" if you don't have the strength needed to overcome anything- and it is as "given" as are your inadequacies.

    A friend of mine used to say: Life deals you cards, but it's up to you how you play them. My reply is: Life also determines how you'll play them, so you have nothing to boast of or reproach yourself. Your strengths and weakness are not yours; actually- you are not yours.

  15. Steve would look the other way on Dr. Hanna here:

    https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr-19194

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Gforce

    Pretty small change ($125k) to wreck your career over in a totally obvious insider trading case...

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @R.G. Camara, @Pixo

  16. Can’t we all just get along? – Steve “Rodney King” Sailer

  17. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    Conclusion: We need more Jews and Palestinians in the US!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Twinkie

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It’s fine to be a truck driver. It’s fine that there are people out there–including Jews and nonwhites–who are smarter and more productive than you.

    • LOL: Corvinus
    • Troll: HammerJack, Mike Conrad
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Anonymous

    Dear Indistinguishable from every other Anon Anon,

    Thanks for your kind words. I take great pleasure in knowing you keep a secret space within your mind body and soul remembering all of the things I have written here in the comment section of isteve. Part of me lives rent free in your head. That's touching in a no homo kind of way.

    It absolutely is fine that non whites are smarter than me. It's fine if you may be smarter than me. That was never the ultimate point I've made. Jews, Pallies, Hindus, Negroes, etc can all go ahead and be really smart, go back to their homelands, and leave dumb American truck drivers like me alone to not rape, murder, swindle, deceive, replace, etc, etc. The quip above reflects this idea pretty straightforwardly.

    Thanks again for thinking of me. Please continue to do so.

    , @JimDandy
    @Anonymous

    He really got your goat, eh, boychik?

    , @Richard B
    @Anonymous


    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It’s fine to be a truck driver. It’s fine that there are people out there–including Jews and nonwhites–who are smarter and more productive than you.
     
    Anonymous to Mike:

    Your comment + Me = Triggered

    FIFY

    , @Dmon
    @Anonymous

    Hey, some of us here love Mike.

    Mike - just one minor thing. We appreciate you're in a hurry to finish the job so you can get back to commenting, but we know you are a busy guy, and we will be be patient. 10% accelerator is too much.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous


    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. blah blah blah ...
     
    Says a guy who won't even pick a screen name, but insults people as Anonymous{374569301]
  18. @Gforce
    Steve would look the other way on Dr. Hanna here:


    https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr-19194

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Pretty small change ($125k) to wreck your career over in a totally obvious insider trading case…

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    Pretty small change ($125k) to wreck your career over in a totally obvious insider trading case…
     
    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzBmNWUwZmMtMjA0YS00NWU1LWI3N2UtNDhhMzYzZDA4NjMyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyODg0OTM4NTc@._V1_.jpg

    “Keaton always said: ‘I don’t believe in God, but I’m afraid of him.’ Well I believe in God, and the only thing that scares me is Martha Stewart.”
    , @R.G. Camara
    @Steve Sailer

    People have done a lot worse for a lot less.

    And one class of rich people who make their own riches are hyper-greedy to the point that swindling for what to them is chump change is something they will do, Like Napoleon cheating at cards when playing his officers, even when all of Europe was at his feet, these types of uber-wealthy cannot stand to lose money at anything.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    , @Pixo
    @Steve Sailer

    A Hindu businessman once handed me $6000 in cash.

    I never did anything before or after to earn it and it was a little awkward and completely unexpected.

    On the other hand, a big pile of $100 bills is a really nice gift. I didn’t know how to respond other than send him Christmas cards for the next 20 years.

    Replies: @Muggles

  19. A Jew and a Palestinian

    Thanks.

    Steve, when you’re right, you’re right.

  20. @Reg Cæsar

    Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian).
     
    Another Arab-Jewish collaboration was America's first #1 reggae hit, that of Andy Kim and Jeff Barry:







    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eX28cgKHHyc

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous, @Ripple Earthdevil, @YetAnotherAnon

    I didn’t know that Andy Kim was Lebanese. His photo at Wikipedia looks very Middle Eastern.

    From the name alone I’d have guessed Korean. Thanks for the info.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Frau Katze

    Full name Andrew Youakim

    , @BB753
    @Frau Katze

    Andrew Kim looks very dark even for a Lebanese.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  21. @Anonymous
    @Pixo


    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.
     
    I've known Lebanese and Palestinian Christians from going to Catholic schools growing up and in college. I don't recall any of them identifying with Israelis. They were from well off, bourgeois mercantile backgrounds and tended to be proud of their Lebanese and Palestinian background. They weren't fanatics but they did have views/attitudes that would be considered anti-Israel/anti-Jewish.

    Replies: @SFG

    TBH, I know of only one pro-Israeli Palestinian Christian, and he also posts that he can write better than Shakespeare, so I’m not sure how much is for real.

    • LOL: Gordo
    • Replies: @Anonoymous
    @SFG

    He also seems mentally unstable, and held the exact opposite sorts of views a decade ago when he was minimizing Muslim terrorism and was anti-Israel. It's impossible to tell what he really believes. The late Lawrence Auster blogged about his anti-Semitism, anti-Israel, pro-Muslim views at the time:

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/016261.html

    Replies: @SFG

  22. probably earning 11 digits in revenue before going off patent a few years ago

    Rituxan hit 12 digits in lifetime sales.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1089322/top-drugs-by-lifetime-sales-globally/

    This paper has a discussion of the history of Rituxan as well as annual sales through 2014.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4171018/

    Glad it worked.

  23. @Mr. XYZ
    Steve, I don't believe in God, but your own experience of just barely surviving cancer due to the timely invention of a miracle drug does make me just a tiny bit closer towards belief in God, you know? Maybe from 1% to 2%. You wrote a lot of good stuff in the years and decades after your cancer recovery and survival, after all.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @pyrrhus

    There is some philosophy & ethics involved here.

    I am perhaps not too delicate about these matters, just… I don’t care- pain aside- if a person dies relatively young in his life if he is alone & has no one to mourn him. He may be a genius like Niels Abel, but it is essentially of minor importance (in my eyes).

    What matters is if his death will strike his family, spouse or children, and maybe parents. Then, it truly matters. Then, it is somehow “not fair”.

    In other cases, I prefer Greek “Whom the gods love…”.

  24. Ethnic prejudice and conflict are so widespread, even universal, one has to think they have an evolutionary, biologic basis. The details vary widely but the need to identify with one group and oppose another seems innate. If we could identify the genes and the biologic mechanisms responsible maybe we could discover treatments to ablate ethnocentrism. Perhaps with gene editing, drugs, or even monoclonal antibodies we could solve problems like the Arab-Israeli conflict (if you could somehow apply the treatment to everyone in the Middle East). Anyway, I always thought this would be a cool premise for a science fiction story.

    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
    @B36

    Forced medical treatment to render people more governable is not the answer.

    , @Erik L
    @B36

    humans have a genetic program to divide into teams and fight over land. It is, however, extremely unlikely that this is mediated by a small number of genes. No way could we edit this out without turning us into twisted freaks.

    Replies: @B36

    , @Societal Spectacle
    @B36

    Your opening sentence brought me to reflect upon an Edward O. Wilson’s quote, “The real problem of humanity is the following: We have Paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike technology; and it is terrifically dangerous, and it is now approaching a point of crisis overall.”

    I suspect that the universal you are examining in your concern for humankind most likely is deeply entrenched in the evolutionary tree. The emotions of disgust, envy, and greed along with unbridled tribalism appear to have influenced humankind’s past and present state of affairs. These emotions ultimately become desire (one desires to be free from disgust or one desires to be fully satisfied with another’s efforts/possessions/property or one must be satiated period). Tribalism ultimately becomes territorialism, not unlike other predatory mammals that mark their territory by spraying, defecating, scraping, or urinating.

  25. A jew, a Christian, a Muslim and a Buddhist walk into the Al Aqsa Mosque…The Buddhist immediately exclaims “Excuse me, I appear to have walked into the wrong joke.”

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Wokechoke

    I think this might be the one you're looking for.

    Buddha walks into a pizza parlor. The waiter asks, "What would you like?". Buddha replies, "Make me one with everything".

    There's a Hindu one where the punch line is "Here's another melon, Kali baby", but I can't remember all the details right now.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Wokechoke

    There's this old schoolyard joke where for some reason I can remember the punchline, but not the setup. It's this...

    "I said Flied LICE, you flucking Gleek!"

    Does anybody know what the actual joke was?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  26. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian).
     
    Another Arab-Jewish collaboration was America's first #1 reggae hit, that of Andy Kim and Jeff Barry:







    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eX28cgKHHyc

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous, @Ripple Earthdevil, @YetAnotherAnon

    Not really. The essence of reggae (and ska, the older faster-tempoed music this more resembles) is the guitar plays the offbeats, but leaving more space than here, and the bass guitar does _something else_in all that space under the vocal line. Calling this reggae like saying the Beatles is classical music for containing authentic cadences.

  27. I don’t know whether or not organic synthesis still works this way, but often it used to. A creative guy, probably Jewish, at big pharma thinks-up the brilliant concept for a new molecule that might well make an effective drug. He outlines the contours of a 50-step process for making it. It is then turned-over to the PhDs at a lab in China, where the meticulous “benchwork” will be done. Let’s say there is a roadblock at step 23. Maybe you have to cook it warmer, maybe colder, maybe you have to cook it for a longer time or a shorter time, who the heck has the patience to do this in the US? Dr. Wang and PhD colleagues to the rescue; there, finally, problem solved; on to step 24.

  28. @Dmon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, you leave me no choice.
    An Irishman, a Jew and a Greek all die and are sent to Hell. They get to caterwauling so loudly that finally, the check-in demon just can't stand it any longer. "I'll tell you what I'm going to do", he says. "I'm going to send you all back upstairs, but you're on the watch list. If you even so much as think of committing a sin, you'll be back down here in an instant". He snaps his fingers, there is a puff of red smoke, and the three find themselves back walking along the street. They are effusively thankful, and each swears that from now on, he will not so much as think of sinning. After a while, they pass by a bar. The Irishman thinks to himself, "Ah, and 'twould sure be nice to celebrate with a drink". There is a puff of red smoke, and the Irishman disappears. The Jew and the Greek continue on until they spot a penny on the sidewalk, and the Jew bends over to pick it up. There is a puff of red smoke and the Greek disappears.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Renard, @martin_2

    Would that be better with an Armenian? Yekoumian or somesuch.

  29. @Steve Sailer
    @Gforce

    Pretty small change ($125k) to wreck your career over in a totally obvious insider trading case...

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @R.G. Camara, @Pixo

    Pretty small change ($125k) to wreck your career over in a totally obvious insider trading case…

    “Keaton always said: ‘I don’t believe in God, but I’m afraid of him.’ Well I believe in God, and the only thing that scares me is Martha Stewart.”

  30. @Anonymous

    Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian).

    Thanks.
     
    These two benefited from the Northwestern European peoples and the societies they build. The invention is as much an achievement of Northwestern Europeans as it is of these two individuals. You should thank Northwestern Europeans, specifically Anglo-Saxons, first and foremost.

    Don’t be an ingrate, Steve.

    Replies: @Mike Ricci, @Bardon Kaldian

    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mike Ricci


    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.
     
    Don’t be an ingrate, Mike Ricci.

    It took a whole society and people to help push Levy and Hanna over the finish line. They stand only on the shoulders of giants.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @JimDandy
    @Mike Ricci

    WASPS have turned into that kid who has to give all his gifts to the minority and weirdo kids who the Jewish kids took the liberty of inviting to his party.

    , @SFG
    @Mike Ricci

    No, that poster has.

    The rest of them let a whole bunch of other people, including some of my distant relatives, sorry to say, wreck a functional and quite accomplished society.

    , @bomag
    @Mike Ricci

    Well, all the birthday parties ARE taking place at the WASP kids house, so maybe we should call it courtesy.

  31. @Steve Sailer
    @Gforce

    Pretty small change ($125k) to wreck your career over in a totally obvious insider trading case...

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @R.G. Camara, @Pixo

    People have done a lot worse for a lot less.

    And one class of rich people who make their own riches are hyper-greedy to the point that swindling for what to them is chump change is something they will do, Like Napoleon cheating at cards when playing his officers, even when all of Europe was at his feet, these types of uber-wealthy cannot stand to lose money at anything.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @R.G. Camara

    I didn't know that, but it seems to be something else:

    A few memoirists have noted that Napoleon detested gambling and yet cheated at cards. This seems like a paradox until you realise he just liked to see if he could get away with it. Lord Roseberry (the Earl of Primrose (!)) writes:

    At all games he liked to cheat, flagrantly and undisguisedly, as a joke; but refused, of course, to take the money thus won, saying, with a laugh, “What simpletons you are. It is thus that young fellows of good family are ruined.”

    , @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    “And one class of rich people who make their own riches are hyper-greedy to the point that swindling for what to them is chump change is something they will do”

    So why do you easily get hornswoggled by Trump? Are you that easy of a mark?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  32. Are you trying to suggest we should make peace?

  33. OT – This is weird, isn’t it?

    Four L.A. Sheriff’s Department Employees Commit Suicide In A 24 Hour Period

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/four-la-sheriffs-department-employees-commit-suicide-24-hour-period

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  34. @Reg Cæsar

    Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian).
     
    Another Arab-Jewish collaboration was America's first #1 reggae hit, that of Andy Kim and Jeff Barry:







    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eX28cgKHHyc

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous, @Ripple Earthdevil, @YetAnotherAnon

    I believe this came a little earlier:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    That and Johnny Nash's "Hold Me Tight" may have predated "Sugar", but I specified #1.

    I'm quite familiar with "Israelites". Occasionally it just pops into my head, perhaps as much as any other song of the era. "Get up in the mornin' slaving for bread, sir, so that every mouth can be fed... the po', the po', the po', the po', the Is-a-raelites..." That's from memory.

    Replies: @Sollipsist

  35. @Frau Katze
    @Reg Cæsar

    I didn’t know that Andy Kim was Lebanese. His photo at Wikipedia looks very Middle Eastern.

    From the name alone I’d have guessed Korean. Thanks for the info.

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil, @BB753

    Full name Andrew Youakim

  36. @Mike Ricci
    @Anonymous

    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @SFG, @bomag

    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.

    Don’t be an ingrate, Mike Ricci.

    It took a whole society and people to help push Levy and Hanna over the finish line. They stand only on the shoulders of giants.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    They stand only on the shoulders of giants.
     
    So did the "Anglo-Saxons."

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dmon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  37. @Mike Ricci
    @Anonymous

    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @SFG, @bomag

    WASPS have turned into that kid who has to give all his gifts to the minority and weirdo kids who the Jewish kids took the liberty of inviting to his party.

  38. @Mike Tre
    Conclusion: We need more Jews and Palestinians in the US!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Twinkie

    Hey, has Jesus’ Sermon On The Mount been designated as antisemitic hate speech yet?

    • Agree: Mike Conrad
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @JimDandy


    Hey, has Jesus’ Sermon On The Mount been designated as antisemitic hate speech yet?
     
    Was Jesus an anti-Semite?
    , @Mike Tre
    @JimDandy

    It's been brought to my attention that I am not smart or productive enough to answer this.

  39. @Wokechoke
    A jew, a Christian, a Muslim and a Buddhist walk into the Al Aqsa Mosque...The Buddhist immediately exclaims "Excuse me, I appear to have walked into the wrong joke."

    Replies: @Dmon, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I think this might be the one you’re looking for.

    Buddha walks into a pizza parlor. The waiter asks, “What would you like?”. Buddha replies, “Make me one with everything”.

    There’s a Hindu one where the punch line is “Here’s another melon, Kali baby”, but I can’t remember all the details right now.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Dmon


    Buddha walks into a pizza parlor. The waiter asks, “What would you like?”. Buddha replies, “Make me one with everything”.
     
    And when the waiter asks if Buddha wants change, Buddha says "change only comes from within."
  40. @Mr. XYZ
    Steve, I don't believe in God, but your own experience of just barely surviving cancer due to the timely invention of a miracle drug does make me just a tiny bit closer towards belief in God, you know? Maybe from 1% to 2%. You wrote a lot of good stuff in the years and decades after your cancer recovery and survival, after all.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @pyrrhus

    It’s one of innumerable such stories….

  41. @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It's fine to be a truck driver. It's fine that there are people out there--including Jews and nonwhites--who are smarter and more productive than you.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Richard B, @Dmon, @Jim Don Bob

    Dear Indistinguishable from every other Anon Anon,

    Thanks for your kind words. I take great pleasure in knowing you keep a secret space within your mind body and soul remembering all of the things I have written here in the comment section of isteve. Part of me lives rent free in your head. That’s touching in a no homo kind of way.

    It absolutely is fine that non whites are smarter than me. It’s fine if you may be smarter than me. That was never the ultimate point I’ve made. Jews, Pallies, Hindus, Negroes, etc can all go ahead and be really smart, go back to their homelands, and leave dumb American truck drivers like me alone to not rape, murder, swindle, deceive, replace, etc, etc. The quip above reflects this idea pretty straightforwardly.

    Thanks again for thinking of me. Please continue to do so.

  42. @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Reg Cæsar

    I believe this came a little earlier:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wSXTN2EfRo

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That and Johnny Nash’s “Hold Me Tight” may have predated “Sugar”, but I specified #1.

    I’m quite familiar with “Israelites”. Occasionally it just pops into my head, perhaps as much as any other song of the era. “Get up in the mornin’ slaving for bread, sir, so that every mouth can be fed… the po’, the po’, the po’, the po’, the Is-a-raelites…” That’s from memory.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
    @Reg Cæsar

    "My Boy Lollipop" came really close (#2) about 5 years earlier... and was inarguably reggae/ska, despite originating as a doo wop tune...

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  43. @Steve Sailer
    @Gforce

    Pretty small change ($125k) to wreck your career over in a totally obvious insider trading case...

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @R.G. Camara, @Pixo

    A Hindu businessman once handed me $6000 in cash.

    I never did anything before or after to earn it and it was a little awkward and completely unexpected.

    On the other hand, a big pile of $100 bills is a really nice gift. I didn’t know how to respond other than send him Christmas cards for the next 20 years.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Pixo


    A Hindu businessman once handed me $6000 in cash.

    I never did anything before or after to earn it and it was a little awkward and completely unexpected.
     
    He will soon be reincarnated as a wealthy Jewish movie mogul, living in Malibu.

    You, on the other hand, will remain as a middle manager in flyover country. Did you really think Shiva wanted you to send Christmas cards?
  44. • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Now, if the Lord will only call the rest of them!

  45. @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It's fine to be a truck driver. It's fine that there are people out there--including Jews and nonwhites--who are smarter and more productive than you.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Richard B, @Dmon, @Jim Don Bob

    He really got your goat, eh, boychik?

    • Agree: Mike Conrad
    • LOL: Mike Tre
  46. @JimDandy
    @Mike Tre

    Hey, has Jesus' Sermon On The Mount been designated as antisemitic hate speech yet?

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mike Tre

    Hey, has Jesus’ Sermon On The Mount been designated as antisemitic hate speech yet?

    Was Jesus an anti-Semite?

  47. Anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo
    Do Levantine Christians from what is now Israel like being called Palestinians?

    Certainly some of them do, such as those in the 1980s PLO. The middle eastern Christians I know in America however do not see themselves as the same nationality or ethnicity as Muslims. They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language. One such Christian born in Iraq says he’s a Mesopotamian, not an Iraqi or Arab.

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Sleep, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Ralph Nader and the political pollster James Zogby are of Lebanese Christian background and have long been accused of being anti-Semitic for expressing sympathy for the Palestinians and Arabs more generally.

    Former Michigan Representative Justin Amash is of Palestinian Christian background and has family in Gaza:

  48. @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A Cuban, an Italian, and a Palestinian are lounging next to the sea.

    The Cuban opens a box of cigars, pulls one out and lights it, then throws the box into the sea. The other two look at him quizzically. "In Cuba, I have more cigars than I could possibly need."

    The Italian pulls out a bottle of wine, pours a glass, and tosses the bottle into a he sea. The other two look at him quizzically. "In Italy, I have more wine than I could possibly need."

    Just then a Jew walked by. The Palestinian threw him in the ocean.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Is it too soon for a bulldozer joke?

  49. @Anonymous
    @Mike Ricci


    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.
     
    Don’t be an ingrate, Mike Ricci.

    It took a whole society and people to help push Levy and Hanna over the finish line. They stand only on the shoulders of giants.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    They stand only on the shoulders of giants.

    So did the “Anglo-Saxons.”

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).

    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    So did the “Anglo-Saxons.”

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).
     

    I didn’t realize you were so insecure. Or such an ingrate.

    These cancer treatment discoveries were the product of European culture, institutions, and innate talents - creativity, curiosity, intelligence, cooperation. There is a European genius for biology and chemistry. Anglo Saxons have been especially influential in all of the above.

    Gunpowder? You can have it, for the sake of argument.

    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    , @Dmon
    @Twinkie


    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back
     
    Swing by and pick them up. We'll leave them in a box on the front porch along with the Black Death. If you don't mind, can you drop off our electric generators, structural steel, telecommunications, antibiotics, Boolean algebra, airplanes and flush toilets while you're here? Just leave them in the mailbox. Thanks.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back
     
    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie

    Thank you for your service Twinkie!

    https://twitter.com/activeasian/status/1707977592224231793

    Replies: @res, @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

  50. @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It's fine to be a truck driver. It's fine that there are people out there--including Jews and nonwhites--who are smarter and more productive than you.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Richard B, @Dmon, @Jim Don Bob

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It’s fine to be a truck driver. It’s fine that there are people out there–including Jews and nonwhites–who are smarter and more productive than you.

    Anonymous to Mike:

    Your comment + Me = Triggered

    FIFY

  51. @Mike Tre
    Conclusion: We need more Jews and Palestinians in the US!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Twinkie

    What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.
     
    Yep.

    Sailer should feel indebted to White society, if to anything or anyone.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Corvinus
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    “What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.”

    Medical advancements saved his life, which came from a wide range of peoples.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  52. @SFG
    @Anonymous

    TBH, I know of only one pro-Israeli Palestinian Christian, and he also posts that he can write better than Shakespeare, so I’m not sure how much is for real.

    Replies: @Anonoymous

    He also seems mentally unstable, and held the exact opposite sorts of views a decade ago when he was minimizing Muslim terrorism and was anti-Israel. It’s impossible to tell what he really believes. The late Lawrence Auster blogged about his anti-Semitism, anti-Israel, pro-Muslim views at the time:

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/016261.html

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anonoymous

    It's weird to look back at that (I used to read Auster when he was alive) and realize he was actually arguing about Hanania.

    Here's the best part:
    "To the contrary, Hoste is so stupid, and so discredits anti-Semitism, that I think it’s more likely he is a Jewish agent provocateur pretending to be an anti-Semite. "

    So he got the ethnicity wrong but yeah, Hanania was a big troll, as we now know (though it's possible those are, or were, his actual views, and he's disclaiming them now to stay out of trouble and keep being an alt-lite/IDW/libertarian pundit).

  53. @Wokechoke
    A jew, a Christian, a Muslim and a Buddhist walk into the Al Aqsa Mosque...The Buddhist immediately exclaims "Excuse me, I appear to have walked into the wrong joke."

    Replies: @Dmon, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    There’s this old schoolyard joke where for some reason I can remember the punchline, but not the setup. It’s this…

    “I said Flied LICE, you flucking Gleek!”

    Does anybody know what the actual joke was?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    A Greek man goes to a Chinese restaurant, and orders fried rice. The waiter, who is smiling, nods and says “Ah, yes, flied lice.”

    The Greek man thought this was hilarious and he ordered fried rice whenever he came in just to hear the waiter say, “flied lice”. He would always laugh loudly after hearing the poor waiters mispronunciation. He started bringing his friends in so that they could hear the waiter, and laugh with him, and eventually the waiter realized he was the butt of jokes.

    The waiter was angry, so using some of his savings, he enrolled in a course on public speaking and language, and he learned how to correctly say ‘fried rice’.

    One day, the Greek man arrived with several of his mates, and of course, they all ordered fried rice. The waiter said ‘Ah, yes, fr-r-ried r-r-rice.”

    And as the Greek man sat there, stunned, the waiter cried out in triumph, “How you like that, you Gleek plick?”

  54. OT: It looks like Vivek Ramaswamy is an HBD guy. Has any politician actually said the truth this bluntly before? I am starting to really like this articulate brown grifter.

  55. @Mike Tre
    Conclusion: We need more Jews and Palestinians in the US!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Twinkie

    Conclusion: We need more Jews and Palestinians in the US!

    BOHICA, man:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/13/us-colleges-international-students-increase-post-pandemic/

    Fueled by record numbers from India and other South Asian countries, the head count of international students at U.S. colleges and universities and in related training programs has surged at the fastest growth rate in more than 40 years and recovered almost all the ground lost during the coronavirus pandemic.

    A report released Monday found 1,057,188 international students in the U.S. higher education system during the 2022-23 school year, up nearly 12 percent from the previous year. Not since the late 1970s has the total grown that much in one year. These students bring global perspectives to campuses and account for more than 5 percent of postsecondary enrollment in the United States.

    The total from India reached 268,923, up 35 percent, according to the Open Doors report from the State Department and the Institute of International Education. That set a record for what is now the world’s most populous nation.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Twinkie

    "international students": There's no such thing. There are only foreign and domestic.

    Ted Turner was one of the mooks who popularized this notion. Thirty-odd years ago, when he owned cnn, Turner imposed a fine of mucho dinero on any on-air personality who said "foreign," as opposed to "international."

    "global perspectives": another non-entity.

  56. The total from India reached 268,923, up 35 percent, according to the Open Doors report from the State Department and the Institute of International Education. That set a record for what is now the world’s most populous nation.

    India can send nation-wrecking numbers to just about every country on Earth, and hardly even notice. And guess what?

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Renard

    We already have one as our Prime Minister, he’s maybe not loyal to India but he’s certainly loyal to a country beginning with I.

  57. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    They stand only on the shoulders of giants.
     
    So did the "Anglo-Saxons."

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dmon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    So did the “Anglo-Saxons.”

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).

    I didn’t realize you were so insecure. Or such an ingrate.

    These cancer treatment discoveries were the product of European culture, institutions, and innate talents – creativity, curiosity, intelligence, cooperation. There is a European genius for biology and chemistry. Anglo Saxons have been especially influential in all of the above.

    Gunpowder? You can have it, for the sake of argument.

    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?

    • Agree: Gordo, Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Anonymous


    I didn’t realize you were so insecure. Or such an ingrate.

    These cancer treatment discoveries were the product of European culture, institutions, and innate talents – creativity, curiosity, intelligence, cooperation. There is a European genius for biology and chemistry. Anglo Saxons have been especially influential in all of the above.
     
    I think you're misunderstanding Twinkie's point. He's just pointing out via reductio that this level of autistic abstraction is, in the final analysis, contrary to normal human functioning. If I break down in the Detroit ghetto/wasteland and a car stops for me and gives me a ride away as the predators are closing in, am I going to effusively thank my rescuer or am I going to say "the heck with my rescuer; thank you Henry Ford!" ? If someone saves me from death/danger with a gunshot am I going to say "Thanks Officer Smith" or "Thank you great Chinese scientists of the 10th century" ? It is normal to thank the people/institutions that gave immediate, volitional help to you rather than abstract, distant past causes.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?
     
    I don't see a lot of gratitude in today's secular universities for the Church that founded their institutions, and led to the science that saved Steve's life. For the second time-- the law and ethics had prevented his likely abortion decades earlier. (I hope you're not posting from an Apple product. At least two important Steves were saved that way.)

    Having read dozens if not hundreds of Twinkie's comments, I can vouch that he's displayed more such gratitude and respect than all of you swaggering Anonymati put together.


    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your forebears?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?
     
    Lol come on now. Give Twinkie a break.

    I'm with Ricci. The Anglo-Saxons have undoubtedly been the most successful Europeans (though, it has to be said, it's pretty sweet living on a big island of your own, easy to defend and far from all the turmoil). But some of those on this blog really can get pretty obnoxious.

    Both those hailing from the actual, high-achieving WASPs, and the other kind, who weren't originally meant to be included but are now technically WASP, being Protestant and Anglo-Saxon.

    Still, I guess some whiny chest thumping is inevitable given the difficult and gloomy situation, and their growing (and topical) feeling of being disrespected, dispossessed and stateless. And, as long as you don't totally lose your hold on reality, too much pride is better than too little.

  58. @Dmon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, you leave me no choice.
    An Irishman, a Jew and a Greek all die and are sent to Hell. They get to caterwauling so loudly that finally, the check-in demon just can't stand it any longer. "I'll tell you what I'm going to do", he says. "I'm going to send you all back upstairs, but you're on the watch list. If you even so much as think of committing a sin, you'll be back down here in an instant". He snaps his fingers, there is a puff of red smoke, and the three find themselves back walking along the street. They are effusively thankful, and each swears that from now on, he will not so much as think of sinning. After a while, they pass by a bar. The Irishman thinks to himself, "Ah, and 'twould sure be nice to celebrate with a drink". There is a puff of red smoke, and the Irishman disappears. The Jew and the Greek continue on until they spot a penny on the sidewalk, and the Jew bends over to pick it up. There is a puff of red smoke and the Greek disappears.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Renard, @martin_2

    The Jew and the Greek continue on until they spot a penny on the sidewalk, and the Jew bends over to pick it up. There is a puff of red smoke and the Greek disappears.

    Silly rabbi! That’s the Jewish version.

    In the original version they both disappear.

    Get it? Their favorite things?? Is this thing on??

    • Thanks: Gordo, Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Renard

    Which brings us to how copper wire was invented:
    Two Jews found the same penny.

  59. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Mike Tre

    What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.

    Yep.

    Sailer should feel indebted to White society, if to anything or anyone.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Sailer should feel indebted to White society, if to anything or anyone."
    I think you mean Western Civilization, which teaches that we are individuals responsible for our own lives, and gives us many resources to make those lives excellent.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  60. @Twinkie
    @Mike Tre


    Conclusion: We need more Jews and Palestinians in the US!
     
    BOHICA, man:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/13/us-colleges-international-students-increase-post-pandemic/

    Fueled by record numbers from India and other South Asian countries, the head count of international students at U.S. colleges and universities and in related training programs has surged at the fastest growth rate in more than 40 years and recovered almost all the ground lost during the coronavirus pandemic.

    A report released Monday found 1,057,188 international students in the U.S. higher education system during the 2022-23 school year, up nearly 12 percent from the previous year. Not since the late 1970s has the total grown that much in one year. These students bring global perspectives to campuses and account for more than 5 percent of postsecondary enrollment in the United States.

    The total from India reached 268,923, up 35 percent, according to the Open Doors report from the State Department and the Institute of International Education. That set a record for what is now the world’s most populous nation.
     

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “international students”: There’s no such thing. There are only foreign and domestic.

    Ted Turner was one of the mooks who popularized this notion. Thirty-odd years ago, when he owned cnn, Turner imposed a fine of mucho dinero on any on-air personality who said “foreign,” as opposed to “international.”

    “global perspectives”: another non-entity.

  61. @Fidelios Automata
    @Pixo

    I once met a young Jordanian woman, married to a White American, who called herself a Palestinian but took pains to say that she was Christian and "not a terrorist" she added with a laugh. She also said her maiden name was "Kahane" (or something like that) which means "priest." I wonder how many other Palestinians have surnames that are variants of common Jewish names.

    Replies: @Gordo, @John Gruskos

    Second highest concentration of the Cohenim gene is amongst Palestinians, for what that is worth, maybe they could try living together?

  62. @Dmon
    @Wokechoke

    I think this might be the one you're looking for.

    Buddha walks into a pizza parlor. The waiter asks, "What would you like?". Buddha replies, "Make me one with everything".

    There's a Hindu one where the punch line is "Here's another melon, Kali baby", but I can't remember all the details right now.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Buddha walks into a pizza parlor. The waiter asks, “What would you like?”. Buddha replies, “Make me one with everything”.

    And when the waiter asks if Buddha wants change, Buddha says “change only comes from within.”

    • LOL: Dmon
  63. The Anonymouses have been particularly irritating this evening.

    (Reg, is the proper plural form Anonymice?)

  64. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s some more. First one’s dated, but I like it.

    Morris Schwartz is on his deathbed, knows the end is near, is with his nurse, his wife, his daughter and 2 sons. “So,” he says to them, “Bernie, I want you to take the Beverly Hills houses.”
    “Sybil, take the apartments over in Los Angeles Plaza.”
    “Hiram… I want you to take the offices over in Century City.”
    “Sarah, my dear wife, please take all the residential buildings downtown.”

    The nurse is just blown away by all this, and as Morris slips away, she says, “Mrs. Schwartz, your husband must have been such a hard working man to have accumulated all this property.”

    Sarah replies, “Property? The mother fucker had a paper route!”

    —————

    A Romanian, a Jew and a Somali are sitting under a tree. A caterpillar gets on the Romanian’s shoulder.

    The Romanian throws the caterpillar at the Jew, the Jew throws the caterpillar at the Somali, the Somali picks up the caterpillar and eats it.

    Another caterpillar gets on the Romanian, the Romanian throws it at the Jew, the Jew picks it up and asks the Somali: “Do you want to buy a caterpillar?”

    ————

    God gathered a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim and told them, “I am tired of mankind’s sins! In two weeks I’ll unleash a great flood that will kill all humanity!”

    The Christian said, “We have only two weeks to appease Him!”

    The Muslim said, “We have only two weeks to change our ways!”

    The Jew said, “We have only two weeks to learn how to breathe underwater!”

  65. All the WW2 Axis leaders that made war on much of the world had predictable fates, except one:

    Hitler committed suicide on being trapped in Berlin surrounded by Russians.

    Mussolini was caught, killed, & his body displayed.

    Hitohito remained a worshipped ruler & went to Disneyland.

    The Japanese are blessed people.

    • Thanks: Thea
  66. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:

    This is disingenuous, a feigned attempt at even-handedness.

    We all know Jews outshine Palestinians in cerebral fields 100 to 1.
    And that’s why people like Sailer favor Jews as the superior people.

    What really matters is a people’s ability doesn’t give them license to destroy and oppress another people.

    True, Jews contributed a lot in medicine. Does that mean they get to push people out of West Bank and use the US to strangle Syria and Iran?

    Germans contributed a lot to medicine and chemistry as well.
    Does that justify the lebensraum plan in Russia?

    The cult of intelligence and wealth has corrupted the US.

    Intelligence is valuable and success is great, but neither warrants the supremacism that marks what has become of Zionism.

    Palestinians were the deplorables before the deplorables. They don’t deserve the world but do deserve their own nation and basic dignity. Jews apparently believe the world is not enough.

  67. @Pixo
    Do Levantine Christians from what is now Israel like being called Palestinians?

    Certainly some of them do, such as those in the 1980s PLO. The middle eastern Christians I know in America however do not see themselves as the same nationality or ethnicity as Muslims. They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language. One such Christian born in Iraq says he’s a Mesopotamian, not an Iraqi or Arab.

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Sleep, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    I’ve only known one person well enough to answer this, and that was only an online friendship, but I’d say it’s possible to be strongly Palestinian and yet recognize that one would have no place there if a larger Palestinian state were achieved at the expense of Israel.

    There are a small number of the so-called old Semitic peoples such as Assyrians still living in Iraq, alongside the Kurds who are also non-Arab and are much more numerous. I don’t know how genetic self-identification works there … maybe it’s patrilineal, or maybe it’s more about religion.

    ….

    It was a very promising trial consisting of both the standard treatment, the CHOP chemotherapy,

    So …. was CHOP (in Seattle) a pun? Antifa isn’t known for its intellectualism, so I suspect it’s just a coincidence, but I suppose there might be one or two bright minds in the group who thought CHAZ sounded a bit cliché and also thought they were ridding their world of the “cancer” of toxic white supremacy.

    Again, I’m always reminded how delicate life is, and how for all our achievements, we all have the same biological weaknesses. I’m very glad I found your site so early in my adult life and have been able to learn so much from reading what you and others write here.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Sleep

    CHOP chemotherapy: the letters CHOP are for the names of four drugs given in the treatment. For more details, Google “CHOP chemotherapy.”

  68. A Jew and a Palestinian, you say?

    https://rumble.com/v3tawr4-darren-beattie-and-richard-hanania-go-deep-into-the-origins-of-woke.html

  69. And in other unlikely news that no-one saw coming:

    San Francisco Clears Homeless And Cleans Sh*t-Covered Streets For World Leaders Next Week

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/san-francisco-clears-out-homeless-and-shit-covered-streets-world-leaders-next-week

    • Replies: @res
    @Bill Jones

    It is always telling to see how effective the politicians can be when something matters to them.

    From the article and emphasized in the top comment.


    So, all along, radical Democrats in City Hall had the capability to enforce law and order but chose not to
     
    , @Muggles
    @Bill Jones

    Maybe we should invite Chairman Xi to stay in SF for a few months.

    Would improve both China and California...

  70. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo
    Do Levantine Christians from what is now Israel like being called Palestinians?

    Certainly some of them do, such as those in the 1980s PLO. The middle eastern Christians I know in America however do not see themselves as the same nationality or ethnicity as Muslims. They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language. One such Christian born in Iraq says he’s a Mesopotamian, not an Iraqi or Arab.

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Sleep, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language.

    That’s more Maronites and Copts. Lots of proud Arabs among the non-Maronite Catholics and the Orthodox. Not all, of course. But in my experience even those among the non-Maronite Catholics and Orthodox who emphasize belonging to a separate, non-Arab identity are still more likely to be Lebanese than anything else. Not a phenomenon I’ve noticed much among other Levantine Christians.

    As for Iraq, the vast majority are Assyrians. There’s some identity/terminology war among them, largely along confessional lines. Assyrian, Chaldean, Syriac, Aramaic, some disagreement over their true historic ancestry… But looks like they’ll have to hash it out in Sweden and in Michigan. I don’t know much about non-Assyrian Iraqi Christians or how deep and sincerely held their Arab identity is.

    Palestinian Christians, Israeli citizens or not, tend to be very proud and nationalistic Palestinians. One would have to swallow a lot of Israeli propaganda to think otherwise. Not even thinking of those who became leftist celebrities on the back of being loud Arabs and Palestinians, I just mean ordinary Palestinian Christians.

    I cn’t say I fully understand them. As bad as Israel has been to them, things were, in the long run, unlikely to be great for them either way. Those who’ve managed to stick around within today’s Israel and are Israeli citizens should count their blessings, as bad as things might be for them. Just look at the Middle East. Their situation could be so much worse. Yes, Jordan’s not that bad, but who knows what the next Arab Spring might bring. If I were an Arab Christian, I might sip champagne in the lap of Western leftist luxury in the name of the Arab world and Palestine were I so inclinded, but I sure as hell wouldn’t kill or die for them. Pointless, long lost causes.

    Two theories. I feel like it’s some combination of both.

    1) They’re high on their own pan-Arabist (or even Palestinian nationalist) supply. They were the pioneers and the strident leaders, and after a while, being in so deep, they lost sight of what the pan-Arabism was keeping at bay, and why. And after all, modern pan-Arabism was born in the age of progress and protection under Western colonialism, so even at the outset, it was already somewhat detached from the ugly reality.

    2) They’ve felt comfortable in the belief that being the engine of what Palestinian economy there is (beyond foreign aid) and their vastly disproportionate wealth compared to the Muslim Palestinian supermajority will protect them. But it wouldn’t be the first or the last time that Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, or jealously cut off their nose to spite their face trying to solve the pesky rich kuffar problem, with no plan for what to do afterwards. But I guess maybe they just really like being the big fishe in a tiny pond, and prefer it to the alternative, risks be damned.

  71. @Anonymous
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.
     
    Yep.

    Sailer should feel indebted to White society, if to anything or anyone.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Sailer should feel indebted to White society, if to anything or anyone.”
    I think you mean Western Civilization, which teaches that we are individuals responsible for our own lives, and gives us many resources to make those lives excellent.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Liberia in Africa was explicitly founded on the principles of Western civilization and our constitution. I assume you’ll be going there for your medical care?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  72. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo
    Do Levantine Christians from what is now Israel like being called Palestinians?

    Certainly some of them do, such as those in the 1980s PLO. The middle eastern Christians I know in America however do not see themselves as the same nationality or ethnicity as Muslims. They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language. One such Christian born in Iraq says he’s a Mesopotamian, not an Iraqi or Arab.

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Sleep, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Lots of proud Arabs among the non-Maronite Catholics and the Orthodox.

    Oh, and the Anglicans, of course. Who can forget the Anglicans.

    Anyway, here’s an interesting document of this failed cause, from 1974 (still can’t believe the 70s were 50 years ago), just as things were about to explode in Lebanon.

    A wildly disproportionate number of interviewees are Christians. I guess they were more presentable, especially as the face of what was then supposed to be a secular and inclusive movement.

    Hasib Sabbagh at 26:00, a middle class family 29:00, the Mayor of Betlehem 37:00.

    Lots of footage of Palestinians training.

    Five decades since, and nothing to show for any of it but some comfy careers and the destruction (or at least the acceleration and exacerbation of the inevitable ruin) of Lebanon.

  73. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Wokechoke

    There's this old schoolyard joke where for some reason I can remember the punchline, but not the setup. It's this...

    "I said Flied LICE, you flucking Gleek!"

    Does anybody know what the actual joke was?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    A Greek man goes to a Chinese restaurant, and orders fried rice. The waiter, who is smiling, nods and says “Ah, yes, flied lice.”

    The Greek man thought this was hilarious and he ordered fried rice whenever he came in just to hear the waiter say, “flied lice”. He would always laugh loudly after hearing the poor waiters mispronunciation. He started bringing his friends in so that they could hear the waiter, and laugh with him, and eventually the waiter realized he was the butt of jokes.

    The waiter was angry, so using some of his savings, he enrolled in a course on public speaking and language, and he learned how to correctly say ‘fried rice’.

    One day, the Greek man arrived with several of his mates, and of course, they all ordered fried rice. The waiter said ‘Ah, yes, fr-r-ried r-r-rice.”

    And as the Greek man sat there, stunned, the waiter cried out in triumph, “How you like that, you Gleek plick?”

  74. @Mike Ricci
    @Anonymous

    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @SFG, @bomag

    No, that poster has.

    The rest of them let a whole bunch of other people, including some of my distant relatives, sorry to say, wreck a functional and quite accomplished society.

  75. @R.G. Camara
    @Steve Sailer

    People have done a lot worse for a lot less.

    And one class of rich people who make their own riches are hyper-greedy to the point that swindling for what to them is chump change is something they will do, Like Napoleon cheating at cards when playing his officers, even when all of Europe was at his feet, these types of uber-wealthy cannot stand to lose money at anything.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    I didn’t know that, but it seems to be something else:

    A few memoirists have noted that Napoleon detested gambling and yet cheated at cards. This seems like a paradox until you realise he just liked to see if he could get away with it. Lord Roseberry (the Earl of Primrose (!)) writes:

    At all games he liked to cheat, flagrantly and undisguisedly, as a joke; but refused, of course, to take the money thus won, saying, with a laugh, “What simpletons you are. It is thus that young fellows of good family are ruined.”

  76. @Anonoymous
    @SFG

    He also seems mentally unstable, and held the exact opposite sorts of views a decade ago when he was minimizing Muslim terrorism and was anti-Israel. It's impossible to tell what he really believes. The late Lawrence Auster blogged about his anti-Semitism, anti-Israel, pro-Muslim views at the time:

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/016261.html

    Replies: @SFG

    It’s weird to look back at that (I used to read Auster when he was alive) and realize he was actually arguing about Hanania.

    Here’s the best part:
    “To the contrary, Hoste is so stupid, and so discredits anti-Semitism, that I think it’s more likely he is a Jewish agent provocateur pretending to be an anti-Semite. ”

    So he got the ethnicity wrong but yeah, Hanania was a big troll, as we now know (though it’s possible those are, or were, his actual views, and he’s disclaiming them now to stay out of trouble and keep being an alt-lite/IDW/libertarian pundit).

  77. Damn 3 post limit.

    All right. I’m surprised nobody posted this one:

    A Jewish guy is in Northern Ireland and feels a knife at his back. “Protestant or Catholic?”
    “Neither! Jewish!”
    Guy knifes him and runs off saying, “And I’m the luckiest Palestinian in Belfast!”

    *

    A Jew and a Pole walk into a bar and are about to start fighting. Then a Nazi walks in.

    *

    A Jew and an Arab walk into a bar.

    “I’m not programmed to generate jokes or perpetuate stereotypes that may be offensive or discriminatory towards any particular group of people. It’s important to remember that humor should never be used to belittle or demean others based on their race, religion, or background. Instead, I suggest focusing on humor that brings people together and celebrates our shared humanity. Let’s try to create a more positive and inclusive atmosphere in the bar by engaging in respectful and meaningful conversations. Is there anything else I can help you with?”

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @SFG

    Thugs menacingly approach a guy in Belfast asking him: "Protestant or Catholic?"

    He trembles: "Aaa... Hindu"

    Thugs: "Protestant Hindu or Catholic Hindu?"

  78. @JimDandy
    @Mike Tre

    Hey, has Jesus' Sermon On The Mount been designated as antisemitic hate speech yet?

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mike Tre

    It’s been brought to my attention that I am not smart or productive enough to answer this.

    • LOL: JimDandy
  79. Drugs like rituximab exist solely due to two inventions. Hybridomas are cells that are tricked to produce antibodies in large quantities in a dish, for which Milstein and Koehler of Cambridge MLB got a Nobel in 1984.

    Chimerism in antibodies is the technique that makes antibodies that combine a human section and a mouse section. That allows us develop an antibody in living mice, and then attach to it human appendages, which make those antibodies effective in patients rather than in mice. This was developed in 1984, by Neuberg and Winter, also working in Cambridge, UK. The first drug based on this approach was approved in the US, in 1986, after a brief safety trial led by Paul Russel at Mass General Hospital.

    Once you had these tools, you could apply them to any part of the human body. There were lots of bets, among which the drugs against rheumatoid arthritis seem to be most decisive winners. There are resounding failures, both against targets that should work, such as PCSK9, an well-druggable molecule employed by our cholesterol metabolism, and against targets that were far-fetched, such as IGF-1 receptors.

    In response to this high risk, large companies have employed the “fail early, fail quickly” strategies, which in the end meant just avoidance of early phase trials. They let the university spinoffs running on government grants do the early tests, and by the small companies once the product had a decent chance of succes.

    Conversely, the academics employed tactics that favored selling the spinoffs as soon as possible. Typically, that meant just boast (something American academic types never lacked), incomplete tests and so-called anecdotal evidence. A trick that is typical of this “sell early, sell while you can” is to test the apparently novel drug, solely in combination with an old drug, and to claim all the eventual benefits are due to the new drug. For example, Goldberg’s bortezomib does not work against multiple myeloma, unless combined with the old drugs, prednisone and melphalan.

    Nadler’s team did discover the target on which rituximab acts, CD20, as a surface molecule on blood cells. In 1980, they also showed that an anti-CD20 antibody attaches to leukemia cells, a fact which is trivial if you can understand all the words my previous phrase, and which Nadler nevertheless tried to claim as the cure for leukemia.

    The first patent for an anti-CD20 drug was registered by Ingene, a spinoff of USCB, led by Gary Wilcox. His patent was specific about which kind of anti-CD20 was supposed to work against leukemia cells, and therefore he sold the “product”. Genentech-led proper studies failed to find any effectiveness for this avenue.

    Ronald Levy and Richard Miller of UCSD spent the eighties running a small startup, IDEC, that made one-off anticancer antibodies, before deciding to switch to standardized antibodies. In 1990, the IDEC team manufactured and patented what is now the human half of rituximab. In a few months, they also implemented the Neuberg-Winter procedure, yielding the actual rituximab. In 1995, IDEC arranged an agreement that provided them with access to development funds from Genentech.

    In 1997, a multicenter team put together by IDEC showed for the first time that an anti-CD20 pharmaceutical antibodies actually works as a drug (article at DOI:10.1200/JCO.1998.16.8.2825 ). It was a team lead by Levy, working on a drug made by Levy, who, for once, broke the rule “sell while you can”. The conclusion of that paper indicates that the new drug is comparable to the old ones, and tests of their combination need to be tried on. The results of the trial were communicated to the FDA earlier on, and led to the approval of rituximab before the end of 1996.

    Grillo-Lopez was part of the team that ran the study and wrote that pivotal article. But he listed somewhere in the middle of the list. Dana Farber patented Nadler’s ineffective antibody, and somehow managed to sell it to a company, as if it were a drug. The “drug” got approved, by failed to sell and has been discontinued in 2014.

    Levy is a business genius. The switch made by IEC in 1980 seems so obvious now, but only they saw it for what it was. Holding on to a drug in development is also a business genius move. Rituximab made a lot of money, destroying all the other patented anti-CD20 drugs. Most of the competition sought approval for diseases that weren’t yet tested by the rituximab owners (Genetech and Biogen in the US).

    But the two Cambridge teams whose work made this all possible are in fact the only science geniuses.

    • Thanks: res, ic1000
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @OK Boomer

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  80. @Reg Cæsar

    Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian).
     
    Another Arab-Jewish collaboration was America's first #1 reggae hit, that of Andy Kim and Jeff Barry:







    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eX28cgKHHyc

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous, @Ripple Earthdevil, @YetAnotherAnon

    I’ve been a reggae fan since adolescence and I would never have considered “Sugar, Sugar” to be reggae. It’s a good song though.

    “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da”, from a year earlier, is more reggae than that IMHO.

    But reggae and its predecessors calypso, mento, ska and bluebeat were around for decades before and the point where one form merges into another is moot….

    Skinhead culture emerged in the UK around 1968/9 and the skinhead boys and girls were a rough crowd… us grammar school boys always avoided walking past the local youth club at chucking out time …

    • Thanks: Pixo
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @YetAnotherAnon

    ptitsa at 1:37, viddy well.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  81. Rituximab gave my dad four more years of life than he would otherwise have had, and with almost no adverse side effects, for which I am grateful. Is there a moral to the story? I doubt it – needing to formulate great Eternal Principles out of everyday experience is one of the wiring defects of the human brain. But since I am human, I will say: it could be an example of what happens when science takes precedence over faith. Yet look at all the money it made for the devotees of Mammon, praise the invisible hand!

    On the other, ahem, hand, a priest, a nun, a minister and a rabbi walk into a bar. The bartender looks up and says, “What is this, some kind of a joke?”

    • Thanks: Thea
  82. @Anonymous

    Still, so far as I can tell, two guys often credited with inventing the drug are Stanford professor Ronald Levy (Jewish) and IDEC chief science officer Nabil Hanna (Palestinian).

    Thanks.
     
    These two benefited from the Northwestern European peoples and the societies they build. The invention is as much an achievement of Northwestern Europeans as it is of these two individuals. You should thank Northwestern Europeans, specifically Anglo-Saxons, first and foremost.

    Don’t be an ingrate, Steve.

    Replies: @Mike Ricci, @Bardon Kaldian

    This is a very tenuous way of reasoning.

    These medical researchers, true, have been working in a society established- mostly- by NW Europeans, but NW Europeans would have been nothing without Western civilization founded by classical Greeks who, in turn, borrowed their script from Phoenicians whose culture was unimaginable without Sumerians, the first civilization on earth.

    So, anyone who does anything worthy in the 20th & 21st C should be completely grateful to- Sumerians. Steve should be lighting candles every day in gratitude to Sumerians.

    On a more serious note, I read an interview with Lee Nadler (medical researcher) which illustrates what I usually call the illusion of free will (or, better, the illusion of a free individual).

    Nadler says in an interview (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2014809/):
    ………………………………..

    Roberts: You never needed more than 4 or 5 hours of sleep? Is that right?

    Nadler: No, I am always tired. I work hard. Five to 6 hours of sleep is great. When I was a houseofficer, I hardly remember sleeping at all every other night and then every third night.
    ……………………………………………..
    Roberts: What time do you get up every morning?

    Nadler: 4:30 am.

    Roberts: You get to work at what time?

    Nadler: I go to the gym at 5:30 every morning and get to work at 7:00 am.

    Roberts: What time do you go home?

    Nadler: The earliest is 6:00 pm and the latest, 10:00 pm.
    ……………………………………..

    Well, congratulations, but only a man of exceptional health & absolutely extraordinary metabolism could live like that. Nadler simply has a gift of having extremely good health. He takes care of himself, but there would be nothing to take care of had he been in poor health initially or genetically. There is no “heroic overcoming of your inadequacies” if you don’t have the strength needed to overcome anything- and it is as “given” as are your inadequacies.

    A friend of mine used to say: Life deals you cards, but it’s up to you how you play them. My reply is: Life also determines how you’ll play them, so you have nothing to boast of or reproach yourself. Your strengths and weakness are not yours; actually- you are not yours.

  83. @SFG
    Damn 3 post limit.

    All right. I'm surprised nobody posted this one:

    A Jewish guy is in Northern Ireland and feels a knife at his back. "Protestant or Catholic?"
    "Neither! Jewish!"
    Guy knifes him and runs off saying, "And I'm the luckiest Palestinian in Belfast!"


    *

    A Jew and a Pole walk into a bar and are about to start fighting. Then a Nazi walks in.


    *

    A Jew and an Arab walk into a bar.


    "I'm not programmed to generate jokes or perpetuate stereotypes that may be offensive or discriminatory towards any particular group of people. It's important to remember that humor should never be used to belittle or demean others based on their race, religion, or background. Instead, I suggest focusing on humor that brings people together and celebrates our shared humanity. Let's try to create a more positive and inclusive atmosphere in the bar by engaging in respectful and meaningful conversations. Is there anything else I can help you with?"

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Thugs menacingly approach a guy in Belfast asking him: “Protestant or Catholic?”

    He trembles: “Aaa… Hindu”

    Thugs: “Protestant Hindu or Catholic Hindu?”

  84. A white 17 year old, Jonathan Lewis, was murdered by 17 blacks teenagers for sticking up for a smaller white friend.

    Watch for the shoe looting. And the black community to decry anti-white violence.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Thea

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12740747/jonathan-lewis-killed-bullies-vegas.html

    And the father speaks of forgiveness....nauseating...

    Replies: @Brutusale, @JimDandy

    , @res
    @Thea

    Heck, just wait for the headlines from places other than the NY Post and Daily Mail.
    https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/news/las-vegas-teen-beaten-to-death-by-mob-of-15-attackers-outside-of-high-school/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12740747/jonathan-lewis-killed-bullies-vegas.html

    Both articles notable for not containing the word "black" (and yes I am doing a case insensitive search ; ).

    School demographics 76% Hispanic, 9% black, and 7% white.
    https://www.greatschools.org/nevada/las-vegas/91-Rancho-High-School/

    Replies: @Frau Katze

  85. So there’s this comic book artist born Michael Mansour Nasser, born in Detroit to a Lebanese family. He was active in DC and Marvel in the 1970’s- if you think of the “standard” images of Superman and Batman that you see on merchandise, that’s Nasser’s work.

    Nasser did pencils, and I once went to a talk of his where he told us that comic book companies liked to pair him with inker Josef Rubinstein- Gamal Nasser was still within memory then, and the publishers thought it was cute to be able to write “By Nasser and Rubinstein” on their comics. Arabs and Jews, all together, etc.

    And Nasser then chuckled and said, “Of course, Nasser was as Jewish as Rubinstein.” His father and mother’s father were Lebanese Druze, but his mother’s mother was a Lebanese Jew, making him Jewish. He was visiting family in Lebanon when war broke out, and he walked up to the Israeli border, said, “I’m Jewish,” and they let him in. He changed his name to the Hebrew “Netzer” and lives in a West Bank settlement now.

  86. Back when it was still under Israel’s control, Bibi Netanyahu was stressed and went for a vacation in the Gaza Strip.

    While he was on the beach, he found a magic lamp and out of curiosity rubbed. To his surprise, out popped a genie. ”Wow, thank you kind sir” said the Genie, “I’ve been stuck in there since 1948. To repay you, I’ll grant you three wishes, whatever your heart desires.”

    Netanyahu replied “I want peace”

    The genie says “Are you sure? You can have anything you want – money, private houses, lavish meals?”

    Netanyahu continues, “Yes, I want peace. A piece ‘of Jordan, piece of Syria, piece of Egypt…”

  87. Hitler and Stalin walk into a bar.

    They start arguing and Stalin calls the bartender over.

    “My friend and I are having and argument. Can you help us?”

    The bartender says “Sure”

    “You see we want to kill 6 million Jews and a bicycle repairman.” Hitler says.

    The bartender interrupts, “Why a bicycle repairman?”

    Hitler turns to Stalin and says, “See, I told you no one would care about the Jews.”

    • Thanks: Muggles
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Thea

    The ‘behind-the-scenes’ transcripts of negotiations leading to Molotov-Ribbentrop are always enlightening.

  88. @Fidelios Automata
    @Pixo

    I once met a young Jordanian woman, married to a White American, who called herself a Palestinian but took pains to say that she was Christian and "not a terrorist" she added with a laugh. She also said her maiden name was "Kahane" (or something like that) which means "priest." I wonder how many other Palestinians have surnames that are variants of common Jewish names.

    Replies: @Gordo, @John Gruskos

    The ancestors of the Palestinians were the very large number of ancient Jews who believed in Jesus and formed the original core of the Christian church.

    Unlike the Pharisees, these Jewish Christians did not participate in the revolts against Rome and were not expelled from Palestine.

    After the Muslim conquest of Palestine, some converted to Islam while others remained Christian.

    Taking this history into account, the full absurdity of “Christian Zionism” is revealed.

    According to the “Christian Zionists”, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who rejected Christ (“Jews”) are “blessed” precisely because they rejected him, while the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who accepted Christ (“Palestinians”) are “cursed” precisely because they accepted him.

    “Christian Zionists” need to repent of their wicked heresy. The blood of the martyrs murdered by IDF terrorists at the Gaza Baptist Hospital and at Saint Porphyrios Church is on the hands of the “Christian Zionists”.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @John Gruskos

    When the Romans supposedly kicked out all the Jews from that place into exile, it is very likely they kicked out the local elite castes/ classes. Priests, mercantile elites, aristocrats etc..., many of them went to Europe. So the average European was competing against the intellectual elites of a population. While the commoners of that regions stayed behind and became Christians and later some became Muslims. Some even intermixed with the Arabs from Arabic peninsula after becoming Muslims.
    So Israelis killing Palestinians might basically be the descendants of elites/ upper castes etc... killing off the descendants of commoners/ lower castes.

  89. @B36
    Ethnic prejudice and conflict are so widespread, even universal, one has to think they have an evolutionary, biologic basis. The details vary widely but the need to identify with one group and oppose another seems innate. If we could identify the genes and the biologic mechanisms responsible maybe we could discover treatments to ablate ethnocentrism. Perhaps with gene editing, drugs, or even monoclonal antibodies we could solve problems like the Arab-Israeli conflict (if you could somehow apply the treatment to everyone in the Middle East). Anyway, I always thought this would be a cool premise for a science fiction story.

    Replies: @Alan Mercer, @Erik L, @Societal Spectacle

    Forced medical treatment to render people more governable is not the answer.

  90. I just found out recently any drug name which ends in “mab” is a reference to the use of monoclonal antibodies in its production. Not making any moral judgment about that, just mentioning an interesting factoid. One which most people here already knew lol

  91. By the way, a bit of Googling and a bit of knowledge about names tells me that this is almost certainly an Arab Christian from Israel proper. (His nephew is a researcher in a similar field at the Weizmann Institute.) There was a time when Palestinian/Israeli Christians were all on board with Palestinian nationalism- and this was even more true of Arab Christians in the US, like Helen Thomas- but there’s been a marked decrease there. Ever since ISIS started killing Christians in Syria, a lot of Israeli Christians have even officially changed their status from “Arab” to “Aramean.” A bunch of them even join the IDF even though they’re exempt.

    Remarkably, since the current hostilities broke out Israeli Arabs as a whole have begun identifying more with Israel, according to opinion polling. (For what that’s worth.) This is true even of Muslims, but even more among Christians and Druze.

  92. Twenty-five years ago, at Memorial Sloan Kettering in NYC, there were three surgeons working together on my head-and-neck cancer: a Hindu, a Moslem, and a Jew. As a joke, right before they put me under I asked them to please not get into a fight.

    • Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
    @Luke Lea


    right before they put me under I asked them to
     
    When ready to have a colonoscopy and an endoscopy, right before they put me under I asked them to do the endoscopy first, so I wouldn’t taste shit in my mouth when I woke up.
  93. @Mike Ricci
    @Anonymous

    WASPs have turned into that kid who needs to get a present at every other kids birthday party.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @SFG, @bomag

    Well, all the birthday parties ARE taking place at the WASP kids house, so maybe we should call it courtesy.

  94. @Frau Katze
    @Reg Cæsar

    I didn’t know that Andy Kim was Lebanese. His photo at Wikipedia looks very Middle Eastern.

    From the name alone I’d have guessed Korean. Thanks for the info.

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil, @BB753

    Andrew Kim looks very dark even for a Lebanese.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @BB753


    Andrew Kim looks very dark even for a Lebanese.
     
    He just looks Lebanese dark to me in the Wikipedia black and white photo, but more recent ones show him to be very dark indeed.

    Maybe he's just really into tanning, like fellow Canada legend Buffy Sainte-Marie.
  95. @B36
    Ethnic prejudice and conflict are so widespread, even universal, one has to think they have an evolutionary, biologic basis. The details vary widely but the need to identify with one group and oppose another seems innate. If we could identify the genes and the biologic mechanisms responsible maybe we could discover treatments to ablate ethnocentrism. Perhaps with gene editing, drugs, or even monoclonal antibodies we could solve problems like the Arab-Israeli conflict (if you could somehow apply the treatment to everyone in the Middle East). Anyway, I always thought this would be a cool premise for a science fiction story.

    Replies: @Alan Mercer, @Erik L, @Societal Spectacle

    humans have a genetic program to divide into teams and fight over land. It is, however, extremely unlikely that this is mediated by a small number of genes. No way could we edit this out without turning us into twisted freaks.

    • Replies: @B36
    @Erik L

    I want to see this on Netflix.

  96. @Renard

    The total from India reached 268,923, up 35 percent, according to the Open Doors report from the State Department and the Institute of International Education. That set a record for what is now the world’s most populous nation.
     
    India can send nation-wrecking numbers to just about every country on Earth, and hardly even notice. And guess what?

    Replies: @Gordo

    We already have one as our Prime Minister, he’s maybe not loyal to India but he’s certainly loyal to a country beginning with I.

  97. Or you never needed the drug in the first place

    I don’t know what cancer you had or your symptoms or how you got diagnosed

    But if you went to the doctor and were not particularly ill, and the doctor ‘Found Something’

    Then you probably never had cancer to begin with

    It always amazes me how well the body heals when you Ignore The Pain

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thoughts

    I was extremely ill.

    , @Muggles
    @Thoughts


    It always amazes me how well the body heals when you Ignore The Pain
     
    Why don't you try out your theory here for a few years and report back to us.

    Hopefully, you'll have enough painful events to form a reliable sample.

    Replies: @Thoughts

  98. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1723895532903338358

    Replies: @Dutch Boy

    Now, if the Lord will only call the rest of them!

  99. @B36
    Ethnic prejudice and conflict are so widespread, even universal, one has to think they have an evolutionary, biologic basis. The details vary widely but the need to identify with one group and oppose another seems innate. If we could identify the genes and the biologic mechanisms responsible maybe we could discover treatments to ablate ethnocentrism. Perhaps with gene editing, drugs, or even monoclonal antibodies we could solve problems like the Arab-Israeli conflict (if you could somehow apply the treatment to everyone in the Middle East). Anyway, I always thought this would be a cool premise for a science fiction story.

    Replies: @Alan Mercer, @Erik L, @Societal Spectacle

    Your opening sentence brought me to reflect upon an Edward O. Wilson’s quote, “The real problem of humanity is the following: We have Paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike technology; and it is terrifically dangerous, and it is now approaching a point of crisis overall.”

    I suspect that the universal you are examining in your concern for humankind most likely is deeply entrenched in the evolutionary tree. The emotions of disgust, envy, and greed along with unbridled tribalism appear to have influenced humankind’s past and present state of affairs. These emotions ultimately become desire (one desires to be free from disgust or one desires to be fully satisfied with another’s efforts/possessions/property or one must be satiated period). Tribalism ultimately becomes territorialism, not unlike other predatory mammals that mark their territory by spraying, defecating, scraping, or urinating.

  100. A Cowboy, An American Indian, and a Muslim are playing flying through the American Northwest. The pilot comes on the P.A. and says “Folks, we’re having a bit of mechanical difficulty here, We’re going to have to divert for a landing in Cheyenne, Wyoming until we can get this taken care of. I’m sorry for it, but you know but we don’t have much choice.”

    So the plane lands at Cheyenne, and it’s a small airport, and the pilot said “Folks, this will take a couple hours to fix, so you might as well go out and just hang around the airport but don’t get too far because we might call you back in, you know, an hour instead and we’ll get on our way.”

    So the three men go outside and sit on a bench. There’s not much to look at except the tumbleweeds, the mountains in the distance, and the sky.

    Cowboy puts the feet up, lowers his hat over his eyes and folds his hands across his chest, and starts to go to sleep. The Indian is staring at the tumbleweeds, as is the Muslim.

    Finally, the Indian starts talking. He says “This land, this land was our land once, all of it. Once we were many, now we are few.”

    The Muslim then says “This land is not our land, never was. We are now few, but we will be many, and this land will become our land.”

    Then the cowboys says from under his hat “That’s cuz we ain’t played Cowboys and muslims yet!”

  101. The Jerusalem Post article at your link described Dr. Hanna as an Israeli Arab. So why did you change his citizenship in your post? Your drug was developed by an Israeli Arab and an Israeli Jew. Got it?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Laurence Jarvik

    "Jew" and "Palestinian" refer to their ethnicities.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  102. @Renard
    @Dmon


    The Jew and the Greek continue on until they spot a penny on the sidewalk, and the Jew bends over to pick it up. There is a puff of red smoke and the Greek disappears.
     
    Silly rabbi! That's the Jewish version.

    In the original version they both disappear.

    Get it? Their favorite things?? Is this thing on??

    Replies: @Dmon

    Which brings us to how copper wire was invented:
    Two Jews found the same penny.

  103. Many years ago, when Rituximab was a new (and expensive) medication, I was working in a hospital and was assigned to counsel a lymphoma patient about another health matter. I was aware of the efficacy of Rituximab and noted that the plan for the patient was standard chemotherapy. I printed out an article about Rituximab, told the patient that the article would interest him and a gave it to the patient. I don’t know what course the patient took but I hope he insisted on the Rituxinab.

  104. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    They stand only on the shoulders of giants.
     
    So did the "Anglo-Saxons."

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dmon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back

    Swing by and pick them up. We’ll leave them in a box on the front porch along with the Black Death. If you don’t mind, can you drop off our electric generators, structural steel, telecommunications, antibiotics, Boolean algebra, airplanes and flush toilets while you’re here? Just leave them in the mailbox. Thanks.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  105. @Dmon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, you leave me no choice.
    An Irishman, a Jew and a Greek all die and are sent to Hell. They get to caterwauling so loudly that finally, the check-in demon just can't stand it any longer. "I'll tell you what I'm going to do", he says. "I'm going to send you all back upstairs, but you're on the watch list. If you even so much as think of committing a sin, you'll be back down here in an instant". He snaps his fingers, there is a puff of red smoke, and the three find themselves back walking along the street. They are effusively thankful, and each swears that from now on, he will not so much as think of sinning. After a while, they pass by a bar. The Irishman thinks to himself, "Ah, and 'twould sure be nice to celebrate with a drink". There is a puff of red smoke, and the Irishman disappears. The Jew and the Greek continue on until they spot a penny on the sidewalk, and the Jew bends over to pick it up. There is a puff of red smoke and the Greek disappears.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Renard, @martin_2

    I don’t get it. Can someone please explain?

  106. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    So did the “Anglo-Saxons.”

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).
     

    I didn’t realize you were so insecure. Or such an ingrate.

    These cancer treatment discoveries were the product of European culture, institutions, and innate talents - creativity, curiosity, intelligence, cooperation. There is a European genius for biology and chemistry. Anglo Saxons have been especially influential in all of the above.

    Gunpowder? You can have it, for the sake of argument.

    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    I didn’t realize you were so insecure. Or such an ingrate.

    These cancer treatment discoveries were the product of European culture, institutions, and innate talents – creativity, curiosity, intelligence, cooperation. There is a European genius for biology and chemistry. Anglo Saxons have been especially influential in all of the above.

    I think you’re misunderstanding Twinkie’s point. He’s just pointing out via reductio that this level of autistic abstraction is, in the final analysis, contrary to normal human functioning. If I break down in the Detroit ghetto/wasteland and a car stops for me and gives me a ride away as the predators are closing in, am I going to effusively thank my rescuer or am I going to say “the heck with my rescuer; thank you Henry Ford!” ? If someone saves me from death/danger with a gunshot am I going to say “Thanks Officer Smith” or “Thank you great Chinese scientists of the 10th century” ? It is normal to thank the people/institutions that gave immediate, volitional help to you rather than abstract, distant past causes.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @kaganovitch


    I think you’re misunderstanding Twinkie’s point. He’s just pointing out via reductio that this level of autistic abstraction is, in the final analysis, contrary to normal human functioning.
     
    That was exactly one of my points. But apparently "The Chinese called..." set off the lizard brain in some of the commenters, even though I did not bring up "the Chinese" (which I am not) to tout East Asians or to disparage "the Anglo-Saxons," but to make another point that all great peoples and civilizational achievements in human history had antecedents who were not necessarily the genetic ancestors of the people who produced them.

    Indeed, it was the original commenter who tried to downplay the Jewish and Palestinian scientists by asserting that they merely stood atop the "shoulders of giants." Well, as spectacular as the achievements of the American civilization (and their British forbears) have been, they were not the inventors of European modernity - that credit likely belongs to other peoples, institutions, and phenomena such as the Italian Renaissance, the Catholic Church (which founded many of the major European universities) that, through its ban on cousin marriages, crucially altered the European psychology toward the public and away from the clan/extended kin group (so, no, that was not an "innate" European trait), and so on.

    Indeed, if one were to be "autistic" as one put it, what we recognize as literate civilizations that were the wellspring of all that came after in human development began in the four river valleys (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus, Yellow River), none of which was located in Europe let alone a backwater group of islands off the coast of the European continent. And even those first civilization had antecedents we barely know. All stand on the shoulders of giants.

    One day, the sun may yet set on the European or the American civilizational dominance (though not permanently I certainly hope) and another group, say, the East Asians, may rise (again). And the latter will likely - in their own day in the sun and at the height of their power - emphasize their own civilizational heritage and tout their innately superior qualities (though at least some among them will pay tribute to the "shoulders of the giants" that came before them). And they would be just as mistaken in their recency-bias-driven arrogance as those who tout "the Anglo-Saxons" as "innately" destined to be The Best People EvahTM today.

    And I write that as someone who harbors a profound admiration for the civilization the Anglo-Saxons built and through whose children's veins course through the blood of this great people.
  107. @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It's fine to be a truck driver. It's fine that there are people out there--including Jews and nonwhites--who are smarter and more productive than you.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Richard B, @Dmon, @Jim Don Bob

    Hey, some of us here love Mike.

    Mike – just one minor thing. We appreciate you’re in a hurry to finish the job so you can get back to commenting, but we know you are a busy guy, and we will be be patient. 10% accelerator is too much.

  108. I’m guessing Nabil Hanna’s ancestry is Orthodox Christian.

  109. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    So did the “Anglo-Saxons.”

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).
     

    I didn’t realize you were so insecure. Or such an ingrate.

    These cancer treatment discoveries were the product of European culture, institutions, and innate talents - creativity, curiosity, intelligence, cooperation. There is a European genius for biology and chemistry. Anglo Saxons have been especially influential in all of the above.

    Gunpowder? You can have it, for the sake of argument.

    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?

    I don’t see a lot of gratitude in today’s secular universities for the Church that founded their institutions, and led to the science that saved Steve’s life. For the second time– the law and ethics had prevented his likely abortion decades earlier. (I hope you’re not posting from an Apple product. At least two important Steves were saved that way.)

    Having read dozens if not hundreds of Twinkie’s comments, I can vouch that he’s displayed more such gratitude and respect than all of you swaggering Anonymati put together.

    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your forebears?

    • Thanks: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    Fair enough, Reg.

    I shouldn't have agreed with the Anon, as Twinkie, though he does get a little sensitive about anything written in any way derogatory about Oriental folks, is definitely appreciate of the West - also a big contributor, from what he's written.

    However, all that jazz about the Chinese having invented this or that, but they just didn't quite get around to making it (not talking gunpowder and paper), got the ideas on paper though ... has been pissing me off. The modern Chinese infrastructure and other technological marvels are very impressive, but they got started 40 years ago and have gotten this far, by stealing all the ideas from the West, especially America, that they possibly could.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  110. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    They stand only on the shoulders of giants.
     
    So did the "Anglo-Saxons."

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dmon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back

    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.

    • LOL: Mike Conrad
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You mean it sounds ridicerous! Spoken Mandarin and other Chinese dialects are one thing - not so much grammar and ZERO spelling to learn, so ... however, the written language, well, I've told them before in person "That's no way to do a written language! Make it stop!"

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anonymous

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.
     
    Yes and no.

    There's zero doubt about your first point. Modernity was created by Western whites--with Anglos prominent--the Chinese had basically nothing to do with it. (If they never existed modernity would still be here.)

    But your second point is wrong. I have zero use for the Chinese. And their written--pictographic--language script is just stone cold stupid.

    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague--arrest and deport anyone spewing it--and your people will probably survive and flourish.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch, @Corvinus, @Twinkie

  111. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?
     
    I don't see a lot of gratitude in today's secular universities for the Church that founded their institutions, and led to the science that saved Steve's life. For the second time-- the law and ethics had prevented his likely abortion decades earlier. (I hope you're not posting from an Apple product. At least two important Steves were saved that way.)

    Having read dozens if not hundreds of Twinkie's comments, I can vouch that he's displayed more such gratitude and respect than all of you swaggering Anonymati put together.


    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your forebears?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Fair enough, Reg.

    I shouldn’t have agreed with the Anon, as Twinkie, though he does get a little sensitive about anything written in any way derogatory about Oriental folks, is definitely appreciate of the West – also a big contributor, from what he’s written.

    However, all that jazz about the Chinese having invented this or that, but they just didn’t quite get around to making it (not talking gunpowder and paper), got the ideas on paper though … has been pissing me off. The modern Chinese infrastructure and other technological marvels are very impressive, but they got started 40 years ago and have gotten this far, by stealing all the ideas from the West, especially America, that they possibly could.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    PRC's infrastructure foundation was built under Soviet guidance. The biggest foreign benefactor of Deng's reform was Japan, followed by America.

    Stealing is a strong charge. Technology transfer in exchange for cheaper production capacity is the usual characterization. This is also related to US owing a shit ton of money to China.

    As for industrial espionage:


    Under the Patent Act of 1793, the United States barred foreign inventors from receiving patents at the same time as granting patents to Americans who had pirated technology from other countries. “America thus became, by national policy and legislative act, the world’s premier legal sanctuary for industrial pirates. Any American could bring a foreign innovation to the United States and commercialize the idea, all with total legal immunity.”[20]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_patent_law#Patent_Act_of_1793

    known as the "Father of the American Industrial Revolution", a phrase coined by Andrew Jackson, and the "Father of the American Factory System". In the United Kingdom, he was called "Slater the Traitor"[1] and "Sam the Slate" because he brought British textile technology to the United States, modifying it for American use. He stole the textile factory machinery designs as an apprentice to a pioneer in the British industry before migrating to the U.S. at the age of 21.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

    Economic and industrial espionage has a long history. Father Francois Xavier d'Entrecolles, who visited Jingdezhen, China in 1712 and later used this visit to reveal the manufacturing methods of Chinese porcelain to Europe, is sometimes considered to have conducted an early case of industrial espionage.[16]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Origins

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman, @Boomthorkell

  112. @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. You try for this tough-guy persona but your constant lashing out more resembles a cornered animal. It's fine to be a truck driver. It's fine that there are people out there--including Jews and nonwhites--who are smarter and more productive than you.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JimDandy, @Richard B, @Dmon, @Jim Don Bob

    Mike, you come across as extremely insecure in almost every post. blah blah blah …

    Says a guy who won’t even pick a screen name, but insults people as Anonymous{374569301]

  113. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back
     
    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad

    You mean it sounds ridicerous! Spoken Mandarin and other Chinese dialects are one thing – not so much grammar and ZERO spelling to learn, so … however, the written language, well, I’ve told them before in person “That’s no way to do a written language! Make it stop!”

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I guess having a language that's very hard to learn and write is a neat defence for the Chinese, as the only Western people reading Chinese documents in the original will be the small number who have learned it, whereas OTOH probably millions of Chinese can read and write English.

    Some Chinese student may be passing purely by chance a defence or tech establishment and see something, a sign perhaps, that excites his curiosity whereas 95%+ of Western visitors to China are blind to the language and signage.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The official standard Mandarin doesn't sound bad at all. I took Mandarin in college, and it sounds nicer than languages like Dutch or German.

    Writing is hard, but reading is much easier than people assume because you encounter the characters in the context of multi-syllable words, phrases, sentences, etc. so they're generally in patterns you recognize. I don't think I would've taken Mandarin if they didn't still use the characters. I've always had an interest in orthography so have studied several languages with non Latin scripts like Greek, Hebrew, Chinese, Sanskrit.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  114. @Luke Lea
    Twenty-five years ago, at Memorial Sloan Kettering in NYC, there were three surgeons working together on my head-and-neck cancer: a Hindu, a Moslem, and a Jew. As a joke, right before they put me under I asked them to please not get into a fight.

    Replies: @Sam Hildebrand

    right before they put me under I asked them to

    When ready to have a colonoscopy and an endoscopy, right before they put me under I asked them to do the endoscopy first, so I wouldn’t taste shit in my mouth when I woke up.

  115. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    They stand only on the shoulders of giants.
     
    So did the "Anglo-Saxons."

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dmon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Thank you for your service Twinkie!

    • Replies: @res
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Video of the attack here.
    https://twitter.com/activeasian/status/1708347160906047887

    Looks like this is the case. Says the Good Samaritan was injured.
    https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/press-release/man-charged-with-four-felonies-in-violent-candy-shop-assault-in-west-portal/

    , @Twinkie
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    Asian guy in San Francisco holds down a 6’3, 300 lb man who attacked three white women, including a 82 yr old elder in the West Portal neighborhood.
     
    Good for him!

    All men of good will must stand up and defend civilization.

    Thank you for your service Twinkie!
     
    Is this going to be a meme on Unz where every time some East Asian guy does something good, it will be attributed to "Twinkie"? E.g. some East Asian man rescues a cat from a tree? Then it's Twinkie strikes again!

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    That's not poutine, or even Garbage Plate.


    We won't ask about the meat. Given that it's San Francisco, it could very well be long pig, homeless variety.

  116. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    So did the “Anglo-Saxons.”

    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back (the Sumerians and ancient Egyptians are no longer available for any takebacks).
     

    I didn’t realize you were so insecure. Or such an ingrate.

    These cancer treatment discoveries were the product of European culture, institutions, and innate talents - creativity, curiosity, intelligence, cooperation. There is a European genius for biology and chemistry. Anglo Saxons have been especially influential in all of the above.

    Gunpowder? You can have it, for the sake of argument.

    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    How about you express a little bit of gratitude for your hosts?

    Lol come on now. Give Twinkie a break.

    I’m with Ricci. The Anglo-Saxons have undoubtedly been the most successful Europeans (though, it has to be said, it’s pretty sweet living on a big island of your own, easy to defend and far from all the turmoil). But some of those on this blog really can get pretty obnoxious.

    Both those hailing from the actual, high-achieving WASPs, and the other kind, who weren’t originally meant to be included but are now technically WASP, being Protestant and Anglo-Saxon.

    Still, I guess some whiny chest thumping is inevitable given the difficult and gloomy situation, and their growing (and topical) feeling of being disrespected, dispossessed and stateless. And, as long as you don’t totally lose your hold on reality, too much pride is better than too little.

  117. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You mean it sounds ridicerous! Spoken Mandarin and other Chinese dialects are one thing - not so much grammar and ZERO spelling to learn, so ... however, the written language, well, I've told them before in person "That's no way to do a written language! Make it stop!"

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anonymous

    I guess having a language that’s very hard to learn and write is a neat defence for the Chinese, as the only Western people reading Chinese documents in the original will be the small number who have learned it, whereas OTOH probably millions of Chinese can read and write English.

    Some Chinese student may be passing purely by chance a defence or tech establishment and see something, a sign perhaps, that excites his curiosity whereas 95%+ of Western visitors to China are blind to the language and signage.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The Japanese can, and in fact kept most of the traditional characters. The Mongols and Manchus each had alphabetical systems but adopted Chinese characters instead.

    Chinese character cultural sphere
    漢字文化圏
    かんじぶんかけん
    kanji bunkaken

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E5%9C%88%EF%BC%8F%E6%B1%89%E5%AD%97%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E5%9C%88_%C2%B7_%ED%95%9C%EC%9E%90_%EB%AC%B8%ED%99%94%EA%B6%8C_%C2%B7_V%C3%B2ng_v%C4%83n_h%C3%B3a_ch%E1%BB%AF_H%C3%A1n_%C2%B7_%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E5%9C%8F.svg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinosphere

    The difference is that English speakers can barely read Chaucer in its original, much less Bede. Russian speakers cannot read Church Slavonic. Neither English nor Russian speakers can read Greco-Latin classics in its original at all.

    But one who is literate in Chinese and Japanese can read Art of War (5th c. BC) in its original, with difficulty.

  118. @Laurence Jarvik
    The Jerusalem Post article at your link described Dr. Hanna as an Israeli Arab. So why did you change his citizenship in your post? Your drug was developed by an Israeli Arab and an Israeli Jew. Got it?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Jew” and “Palestinian” refer to their ethnicities.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Could have fooled us. Might as well refer to both men as being white.

  119. Glad rituximab worked for you Mr. S. it did not work for a friend of mine who was on it fourteen years ago. monoclonal antibodies (designated by the suffix “-mab”) are tricky things indeed. adacanumab is a more recent one targeted at early-stage Alzheimer’s disease. the results overall have been inconclusive at best but i know a guy who really benefitted from it – not enough to resume his business or start driving again, but at least enough to carry on an intelligible conversation again.

  120. @Thoughts
    Or you never needed the drug in the first place

    I don't know what cancer you had or your symptoms or how you got diagnosed

    But if you went to the doctor and were not particularly ill, and the doctor 'Found Something'

    Then you probably never had cancer to begin with

    It always amazes me how well the body heals when you Ignore The Pain

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Muggles

    I was extremely ill.

  121. @OK Boomer
    Drugs like rituximab exist solely due to two inventions. Hybridomas are cells that are tricked to produce antibodies in large quantities in a dish, for which Milstein and Koehler of Cambridge MLB got a Nobel in 1984.

    Chimerism in antibodies is the technique that makes antibodies that combine a human section and a mouse section. That allows us develop an antibody in living mice, and then attach to it human appendages, which make those antibodies effective in patients rather than in mice. This was developed in 1984, by Neuberg and Winter, also working in Cambridge, UK. The first drug based on this approach was approved in the US, in 1986, after a brief safety trial led by Paul Russel at Mass General Hospital.

    Once you had these tools, you could apply them to any part of the human body. There were lots of bets, among which the drugs against rheumatoid arthritis seem to be most decisive winners. There are resounding failures, both against targets that should work, such as PCSK9, an well-druggable molecule employed by our cholesterol metabolism, and against targets that were far-fetched, such as IGF-1 receptors.

    In response to this high risk, large companies have employed the "fail early, fail quickly" strategies, which in the end meant just avoidance of early phase trials. They let the university spinoffs running on government grants do the early tests, and by the small companies once the product had a decent chance of succes.

    Conversely, the academics employed tactics that favored selling the spinoffs as soon as possible. Typically, that meant just boast (something American academic types never lacked), incomplete tests and so-called anecdotal evidence. A trick that is typical of this "sell early, sell while you can" is to test the apparently novel drug, solely in combination with an old drug, and to claim all the eventual benefits are due to the new drug. For example, Goldberg's bortezomib does not work against multiple myeloma, unless combined with the old drugs, prednisone and melphalan.

    Nadler's team did discover the target on which rituximab acts, CD20, as a surface molecule on blood cells. In 1980, they also showed that an anti-CD20 antibody attaches to leukemia cells, a fact which is trivial if you can understand all the words my previous phrase, and which Nadler nevertheless tried to claim as the cure for leukemia.

    The first patent for an anti-CD20 drug was registered by Ingene, a spinoff of USCB, led by Gary Wilcox. His patent was specific about which kind of anti-CD20 was supposed to work against leukemia cells, and therefore he sold the "product". Genentech-led proper studies failed to find any effectiveness for this avenue.

    Ronald Levy and Richard Miller of UCSD spent the eighties running a small startup, IDEC, that made one-off anticancer antibodies, before deciding to switch to standardized antibodies. In 1990, the IDEC team manufactured and patented what is now the human half of rituximab. In a few months, they also implemented the Neuberg-Winter procedure, yielding the actual rituximab. In 1995, IDEC arranged an agreement that provided them with access to development funds from Genentech.

    In 1997, a multicenter team put together by IDEC showed for the first time that an anti-CD20 pharmaceutical antibodies actually works as a drug (article at DOI:10.1200/JCO.1998.16.8.2825 ). It was a team lead by Levy, working on a drug made by Levy, who, for once, broke the rule "sell while you can". The conclusion of that paper indicates that the new drug is comparable to the old ones, and tests of their combination need to be tried on. The results of the trial were communicated to the FDA earlier on, and led to the approval of rituximab before the end of 1996.

    Grillo-Lopez was part of the team that ran the study and wrote that pivotal article. But he listed somewhere in the middle of the list. Dana Farber patented Nadler's ineffective antibody, and somehow managed to sell it to a company, as if it were a drug. The "drug" got approved, by failed to sell and has been discontinued in 2014.

    Levy is a business genius. The switch made by IEC in 1980 seems so obvious now, but only they saw it for what it was. Holding on to a drug in development is also a business genius move. Rituximab made a lot of money, destroying all the other patented anti-CD20 drugs. Most of the competition sought approval for diseases that weren't yet tested by the rituximab owners (Genetech and Biogen in the US).

    But the two Cambridge teams whose work made this all possible are in fact the only science geniuses.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    I noticed that many eminent, even Nobeled researchers in molecular biology, medical research etc. end up in business. They found companies. One of the people mentioned, Gregory Winter, is both a Nobelist & a businessman.

    Gone are the days of Pasteur & Koch.

    Nothing similar in physics or other sciences.

  122. @Thea
    Hitler and Stalin walk into a bar.

    They start arguing and Stalin calls the bartender over.

    “My friend and I are having and argument. Can you help us?”

    The bartender says “Sure”

    “You see we want to kill 6 million Jews and a bicycle repairman.” Hitler says.

    The bartender interrupts, “Why a bicycle repairman?”

    Hitler turns to Stalin and says, “See, I told you no one would care about the Jews.”

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The ‘behind-the-scenes’ transcripts of negotiations leading to Molotov-Ribbentrop are always enlightening.

  123. @Thea
    A white 17 year old, Jonathan Lewis, was murdered by 17 blacks teenagers for sticking up for a smaller white friend.

    Watch for the shoe looting. And the black community to decry anti-white violence.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @res

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I dunno, I think another story from the Daily Mail is even worse. Tied up, beaten, and raped for two days...in prison!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12742693/prisoner-dead-tortured-two-days-prison-gang-alabama-facility-theft-sentence.html

    , @JimDandy
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The government sends special teams in to get white parents spouting woke bullshit in situations like this. Not a conspiracy theory.

  124. @BB753
    @Frau Katze

    Andrew Kim looks very dark even for a Lebanese.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Andrew Kim looks very dark even for a Lebanese.

    He just looks Lebanese dark to me in the Wikipedia black and white photo, but more recent ones show him to be very dark indeed.

    Maybe he’s just really into tanning, like fellow Canada legend Buffy Sainte-Marie.

  125. @Erik L
    @B36

    humans have a genetic program to divide into teams and fight over land. It is, however, extremely unlikely that this is mediated by a small number of genes. No way could we edit this out without turning us into twisted freaks.

    Replies: @B36

    I want to see this on Netflix.

  126. @Bill Jones
    And in other unlikely news that no-one saw coming:


    San Francisco Clears Homeless And Cleans Sh*t-Covered Streets For World Leaders Next Week
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/san-francisco-clears-out-homeless-and-shit-covered-streets-world-leaders-next-week

    Replies: @res, @Muggles

    It is always telling to see how effective the politicians can be when something matters to them.

    From the article and emphasized in the top comment.

    So, all along, radical Democrats in City Hall had the capability to enforce law and order but chose not to

    • Agree: Mike Conrad
  127. @Thea
    A white 17 year old, Jonathan Lewis, was murdered by 17 blacks teenagers for sticking up for a smaller white friend.

    Watch for the shoe looting. And the black community to decry anti-white violence.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @res

    Heck, just wait for the headlines from places other than the NY Post and Daily Mail.
    https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/news/las-vegas-teen-beaten-to-death-by-mob-of-15-attackers-outside-of-high-school/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12740747/jonathan-lewis-killed-bullies-vegas.html

    Both articles notable for not containing the word “black” (and yes I am doing a case insensitive search ; ).

    School demographics 76% Hispanic, 9% black, and 7% white.
    https://www.greatschools.org/nevada/las-vegas/91-Rancho-High-School/

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @res


    Both articles notable for not containing the word “black” (and yes I am doing a case insensitive search).
     
    True neither article mentions black but they both have either photos or videos that make it obvious.

    Horrendous attack.
  128. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie

    Thank you for your service Twinkie!

    https://twitter.com/activeasian/status/1707977592224231793

    Replies: @res, @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

    Video of the attack here.

    Looks like this is the case. Says the Good Samaritan was injured.
    https://www.sfdistrictattorney.org/press-release/man-charged-with-four-felonies-in-violent-candy-shop-assault-in-west-portal/

  129. @Pixo
    Do Levantine Christians from what is now Israel like being called Palestinians?

    Certainly some of them do, such as those in the 1980s PLO. The middle eastern Christians I know in America however do not see themselves as the same nationality or ethnicity as Muslims. They often dislike being called Arab even when they speak Arabic as their first language. One such Christian born in Iraq says he’s a Mesopotamian, not an Iraqi or Arab.

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Sleep, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Their politics may also be a product of who chased them away from their homeland. An upper class Christian who fled Jaffa in 1949 will identify with Nakba’d Muslims, but one who left in 1910 or 1990 because of Muslim harassment will identify more with Israelis.

    Palestinian Christian Arabs no doubt have highly varying levels of attachment to and interest in the affairs of their ancestral homeland–as is true for English, Irish, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Mexicans, Indians, Chinese … And a bunch of them probably have very negative attitudes to muzzie nutters like Hamas.

    But the actually identify with Israelis”–as opposed to just “what’s done is done just leave it alone” (a very good attitude)– faction would be lucky to break 1%. It’s a Jewsih state. Identifying with Israel is the province of Jews, and a bunch of clueless, mostly American, brain-addled Christians. Normal people do not like seeing or hearing about their people pushed around and dispossessed and the typical American of Palestinian origin is going to be normal, regardless of when their ancestors came here.

    It’s always enlightening to see the people who can whine and nurse grudges about ethnic rioting in the Ukraine in the 19th century, or Harvard’s diversity preserving quotas or invites to Waspy Acres Golf and Country Club in 20th, just can’t quite see why people might bear a grudge over ethnic cleansing and full on national dispossession in the 1940s … and continuing on to this day. I mean, come on, all water under the bridge.

    ~~

    Bottom line, the establishment Jewish position:

    1) Any white who simply wants to keep the yahoos out and preserve their historic nation for their own people is a xenophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, Nazi.

    0) Israeli–bravely and heroically settled (with a little “encouragement” for the natives toward the exits)–the homeland of the Jewish people-for going on 75 years!–is the lone legitimate ethnic nation and deserves your military and tax-payer support.

    See “chutzpah”.

  130. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    The Chinese called. They want their paper and gunpowder back
     
    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad

    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.

    Yes and no.

    There’s zero doubt about your first point. Modernity was created by Western whites–with Anglos prominent–the Chinese had basically nothing to do with it. (If they never existed modernity would still be here.)

    But your second point is wrong. I have zero use for the Chinese. And their written–pictographic–language script is just stone cold stupid.

    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague–arrest and deport anyone spewing it–and your people will probably survive and flourish.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @AnotherDad


    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague–arrest and deport anyone spewing it–and your people will probably survive and flourish.
     
    Ironically, your prose in the English above is muddled with non sequitur conflations and awkward syntax. There’s nothing wrong with English (in fact it is the best language by far)—the world is filled with idiots speaking many different languages. English can help fix what ails us—if we know how to use it.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad


    and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America
     
    Excellent typo, bro!
    , @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    It’s amazing how ignorant you are in a wide range of topics.

    https://china.usc.edu/sites/default/files/forums/Chinese%20Inventions.pdf

    https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/gi-roundtable-series/pamphlets/em-42-our-chinese-ally-(1944)/china-and-the-west

    , @Twinkie
    @AnotherDad


    If they [the Chinese] never existed modernity would still be here.
     
    History is full of many - indeed an endless stream of - contingencies, all of which had to come together to create this present "timeline" if you will.

    If the Chinese never existed, the course of human history may well have been very different. For starters, it was the story of the fabulous wealth of the East (starting with the Romans who went silk-mad and through Marco Polo - who actually brought real information from the Mongol Empire about its power and wealth) and being cut off from the highly desired merchandise from it (silk, porcelain, spices, and later even tea) that was - at least partially - an impetus for the Western Europeans to set off in their great explorations - to bypass the Turks and Persians to the East.

    Removing small contingencies is enough to create enormous ripples down history. Removing an entire major civilization from history will have created a world that you and I would not recognize.

    ban English
     
    Perish such a thought! English is - because of its very complicated history - one of the most complex, variegated, and beautiful languages. Don't throw out this very beautiful baby with the bath water.

    Replies: @SFG

  131. @Steve Sailer
    @OK Boomer

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    I noticed that many eminent, even Nobeled researchers in molecular biology, medical research etc. end up in business. They found companies. One of the people mentioned, Gregory Winter, is both a Nobelist & a businessman.

    Gone are the days of Pasteur & Koch.

    Nothing similar in physics or other sciences.

  132. @Pixo
    @Steve Sailer

    A Hindu businessman once handed me $6000 in cash.

    I never did anything before or after to earn it and it was a little awkward and completely unexpected.

    On the other hand, a big pile of $100 bills is a really nice gift. I didn’t know how to respond other than send him Christmas cards for the next 20 years.

    Replies: @Muggles

    A Hindu businessman once handed me $6000 in cash.

    I never did anything before or after to earn it and it was a little awkward and completely unexpected.

    He will soon be reincarnated as a wealthy Jewish movie mogul, living in Malibu.

    You, on the other hand, will remain as a middle manager in flyover country. Did you really think Shiva wanted you to send Christmas cards?

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  133. @Bill Jones
    And in other unlikely news that no-one saw coming:


    San Francisco Clears Homeless And Cleans Sh*t-Covered Streets For World Leaders Next Week
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/san-francisco-clears-out-homeless-and-shit-covered-streets-world-leaders-next-week

    Replies: @res, @Muggles

    Maybe we should invite Chairman Xi to stay in SF for a few months.

    Would improve both China and California…

  134. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I guess having a language that's very hard to learn and write is a neat defence for the Chinese, as the only Western people reading Chinese documents in the original will be the small number who have learned it, whereas OTOH probably millions of Chinese can read and write English.

    Some Chinese student may be passing purely by chance a defence or tech establishment and see something, a sign perhaps, that excites his curiosity whereas 95%+ of Western visitors to China are blind to the language and signage.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The Japanese can, and in fact kept most of the traditional characters. The Mongols and Manchus each had alphabetical systems but adopted Chinese characters instead.

    Chinese character cultural sphere
    漢字文化圏
    かんじぶんかけん
    kanji bunkaken

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinosphere

    The difference is that English speakers can barely read Chaucer in its original, much less Bede. Russian speakers cannot read Church Slavonic. Neither English nor Russian speakers can read Greco-Latin classics in its original at all.

    But one who is literate in Chinese and Japanese can read Art of War (5th c. BC) in its original, with difficulty.

  135. @Thoughts
    Or you never needed the drug in the first place

    I don't know what cancer you had or your symptoms or how you got diagnosed

    But if you went to the doctor and were not particularly ill, and the doctor 'Found Something'

    Then you probably never had cancer to begin with

    It always amazes me how well the body heals when you Ignore The Pain

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Muggles

    It always amazes me how well the body heals when you Ignore The Pain

    Why don’t you try out your theory here for a few years and report back to us.

    Hopefully, you’ll have enough painful events to form a reliable sample.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @Muggles

    Already have.

  136. @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.
     
    Yes and no.

    There's zero doubt about your first point. Modernity was created by Western whites--with Anglos prominent--the Chinese had basically nothing to do with it. (If they never existed modernity would still be here.)

    But your second point is wrong. I have zero use for the Chinese. And their written--pictographic--language script is just stone cold stupid.

    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague--arrest and deport anyone spewing it--and your people will probably survive and flourish.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch, @Corvinus, @Twinkie

    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague–arrest and deport anyone spewing it–and your people will probably survive and flourish.

    Ironically, your prose in the English above is muddled with non sequitur conflations and awkward syntax. There’s nothing wrong with English (in fact it is the best language by far)—the world is filled with idiots speaking many different languages. English can help fix what ails us—if we know how to use it.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Ironically, your prose in the English above is muddled with non sequitur conflations and awkward syntax.
     
    I need an editor--more patience and diligence. But a comma after "survive" and fix my "delude to" typo to "deluge of" and it reads just fine.

    You're certainly correct--idiots spewing nonsense in every language. But my point is correct, the fountainhead of the minoritarian glop is centered in America and spews out in English. Nations that are more linguistically isolated tend--high correlation--to be in better shape.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  137. @Muggles
    @Thoughts


    It always amazes me how well the body heals when you Ignore The Pain
     
    Why don't you try out your theory here for a few years and report back to us.

    Hopefully, you'll have enough painful events to form a reliable sample.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    Already have.

  138. @Sleep
    @Pixo

    I've only known one person well enough to answer this, and that was only an online friendship, but I'd say it's possible to be strongly Palestinian and yet recognize that one would have no place there if a larger Palestinian state were achieved at the expense of Israel.

    There are a small number of the so-called old Semitic peoples such as Assyrians still living in Iraq, alongside the Kurds who are also non-Arab and are much more numerous. I don't know how genetic self-identification works there ... maybe it's patrilineal, or maybe it's more about religion.

    ....


    It was a very promising trial consisting of both the standard treatment, the CHOP chemotherapy,
     
    So .... was CHOP (in Seattle) a pun? Antifa isn't known for its intellectualism, so I suspect it's just a coincidence, but I suppose there might be one or two bright minds in the group who thought CHAZ sounded a bit cliché and also thought they were ridding their world of the "cancer" of toxic white supremacy.

    Again, I'm always reminded how delicate life is, and how for all our achievements, we all have the same biological weaknesses. I'm very glad I found your site so early in my adult life and have been able to learn so much from reading what you and others write here.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    CHOP chemotherapy: the letters CHOP are for the names of four drugs given in the treatment. For more details, Google “CHOP chemotherapy.”

  139. @res
    @Thea

    Heck, just wait for the headlines from places other than the NY Post and Daily Mail.
    https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/news/las-vegas-teen-beaten-to-death-by-mob-of-15-attackers-outside-of-high-school/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12740747/jonathan-lewis-killed-bullies-vegas.html

    Both articles notable for not containing the word "black" (and yes I am doing a case insensitive search ; ).

    School demographics 76% Hispanic, 9% black, and 7% white.
    https://www.greatschools.org/nevada/las-vegas/91-Rancho-High-School/

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    Both articles notable for not containing the word “black” (and yes I am doing a case insensitive search).

    True neither article mentions black but they both have either photos or videos that make it obvious.

    Horrendous attack.

  140. @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.
     
    Yes and no.

    There's zero doubt about your first point. Modernity was created by Western whites--with Anglos prominent--the Chinese had basically nothing to do with it. (If they never existed modernity would still be here.)

    But your second point is wrong. I have zero use for the Chinese. And their written--pictographic--language script is just stone cold stupid.

    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague--arrest and deport anyone spewing it--and your people will probably survive and flourish.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch, @Corvinus, @Twinkie

    and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America

    Excellent typo, bro!

    • Thanks: AnotherDad
  141. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    That and Johnny Nash's "Hold Me Tight" may have predated "Sugar", but I specified #1.

    I'm quite familiar with "Israelites". Occasionally it just pops into my head, perhaps as much as any other song of the era. "Get up in the mornin' slaving for bread, sir, so that every mouth can be fed... the po', the po', the po', the po', the Is-a-raelites..." That's from memory.

    Replies: @Sollipsist

    “My Boy Lollipop” came really close (#2) about 5 years earlier… and was inarguably reggae/ska, despite originating as a doo wop tune…

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Sollipsist

    I think "My Boy Lollipop" was more like the shortlived "bluebeat" with ska elements.

    Doesn't have dat reggae riddim.

    "Hibbert's 1968 song "Do the Reggay" is widely credited as the genesis of the genre name reggae."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fchEBChUkck

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toots_Hibbert

    Replies: @Sollipsist

  142. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Mike Tre

    What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    “What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.”

    Medical advancements saved his life, which came from a wide range of peoples.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    Are you talking to yourself again? Or is it Troll vs Troll?


    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qeqW8wjp4TsNkCiFfDxPsF2KflI=/72x0:584x341/1820x1213/filters:focal(72x0:584x341):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/1948909/spy_vs_spy-657x341.0.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus

  143. @R.G. Camara
    @Steve Sailer

    People have done a lot worse for a lot less.

    And one class of rich people who make their own riches are hyper-greedy to the point that swindling for what to them is chump change is something they will do, Like Napoleon cheating at cards when playing his officers, even when all of Europe was at his feet, these types of uber-wealthy cannot stand to lose money at anything.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    “And one class of rich people who make their own riches are hyper-greedy to the point that swindling for what to them is chump change is something they will do”

    So why do you easily get hornswoggled by Trump? Are you that easy of a mark?

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    Corvy! What's it like being hornswoggled by Mr. Soros and Mr. Brock, our little paid internet hasbara troll?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  144. @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.
     
    Yes and no.

    There's zero doubt about your first point. Modernity was created by Western whites--with Anglos prominent--the Chinese had basically nothing to do with it. (If they never existed modernity would still be here.)

    But your second point is wrong. I have zero use for the Chinese. And their written--pictographic--language script is just stone cold stupid.

    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague--arrest and deport anyone spewing it--and your people will probably survive and flourish.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch, @Corvinus, @Twinkie

  145. @kaganovitch
    @Anonymous


    I didn’t realize you were so insecure. Or such an ingrate.

    These cancer treatment discoveries were the product of European culture, institutions, and innate talents – creativity, curiosity, intelligence, cooperation. There is a European genius for biology and chemistry. Anglo Saxons have been especially influential in all of the above.
     
    I think you're misunderstanding Twinkie's point. He's just pointing out via reductio that this level of autistic abstraction is, in the final analysis, contrary to normal human functioning. If I break down in the Detroit ghetto/wasteland and a car stops for me and gives me a ride away as the predators are closing in, am I going to effusively thank my rescuer or am I going to say "the heck with my rescuer; thank you Henry Ford!" ? If someone saves me from death/danger with a gunshot am I going to say "Thanks Officer Smith" or "Thank you great Chinese scientists of the 10th century" ? It is normal to thank the people/institutions that gave immediate, volitional help to you rather than abstract, distant past causes.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I think you’re misunderstanding Twinkie’s point. He’s just pointing out via reductio that this level of autistic abstraction is, in the final analysis, contrary to normal human functioning.

    That was exactly one of my points. But apparently “The Chinese called…” set off the lizard brain in some of the commenters, even though I did not bring up “the Chinese” (which I am not) to tout East Asians or to disparage “the Anglo-Saxons,” but to make another point that all great peoples and civilizational achievements in human history had antecedents who were not necessarily the genetic ancestors of the people who produced them.

    Indeed, it was the original commenter who tried to downplay the Jewish and Palestinian scientists by asserting that they merely stood atop the “shoulders of giants.” Well, as spectacular as the achievements of the American civilization (and their British forbears) have been, they were not the inventors of European modernity – that credit likely belongs to other peoples, institutions, and phenomena such as the Italian Renaissance, the Catholic Church (which founded many of the major European universities) that, through its ban on cousin marriages, crucially altered the European psychology toward the public and away from the clan/extended kin group (so, no, that was not an “innate” European trait), and so on.

    Indeed, if one were to be “autistic” as one put it, what we recognize as literate civilizations that were the wellspring of all that came after in human development began in the four river valleys (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus, Yellow River), none of which was located in Europe let alone a backwater group of islands off the coast of the European continent. And even those first civilization had antecedents we barely know. All stand on the shoulders of giants.

    One day, the sun may yet set on the European or the American civilizational dominance (though not permanently I certainly hope) and another group, say, the East Asians, may rise (again). And the latter will likely – in their own day in the sun and at the height of their power – emphasize their own civilizational heritage and tout their innately superior qualities (though at least some among them will pay tribute to the “shoulders of the giants” that came before them). And they would be just as mistaken in their recency-bias-driven arrogance as those who tout “the Anglo-Saxons” as “innately” destined to be The Best People EvahTM today.

    And I write that as someone who harbors a profound admiration for the civilization the Anglo-Saxons built and through whose children’s veins course through the blood of this great people.

  146. @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    The Anglo-Saxons (and other Whites) did a lot more with paper and gunpowder than the Chinese ever did. If the Chinese were smarter they would switch languages to English and stop speaking Chinese, which sounds ridiculous.
     
    Yes and no.

    There's zero doubt about your first point. Modernity was created by Western whites--with Anglos prominent--the Chinese had basically nothing to do with it. (If they never existed modernity would still be here.)

    But your second point is wrong. I have zero use for the Chinese. And their written--pictographic--language script is just stone cold stupid.

    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague--arrest and deport anyone spewing it--and your people will probably survive and flourish.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch, @Corvinus, @Twinkie

    If they [the Chinese] never existed modernity would still be here.

    History is full of many – indeed an endless stream of – contingencies, all of which had to come together to create this present “timeline” if you will.

    If the Chinese never existed, the course of human history may well have been very different. For starters, it was the story of the fabulous wealth of the East (starting with the Romans who went silk-mad and through Marco Polo – who actually brought real information from the Mongol Empire about its power and wealth) and being cut off from the highly desired merchandise from it (silk, porcelain, spices, and later even tea) that was – at least partially – an impetus for the Western Europeans to set off in their great explorations – to bypass the Turks and Persians to the East.

    Removing small contingencies is enough to create enormous ripples down history. Removing an entire major civilization from history will have created a world that you and I would not recognize.

    ban English

    Perish such a thought! English is – because of its very complicated history – one of the most complex, variegated, and beautiful languages. Don’t throw out this very beautiful baby with the bath water.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, there's been a civilization around the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers for something like 4000 years, though if I remember my history right it was Shih Huang Ti who stuck the whole thing together for the first time. Remove it and I have no clue what happens--my first thought is Islam becomes more powerful without an eastern border to expansion and eventually wins against the West, but who knows.

    Even travelling back in time and killing Confucius would likely render the world unrecognizable.

    I think there's a fascination among moderately-chauvinistic Westerners such as myself in that the East Asian cultural sphere is very clearly quite different, yet not inferior--I don't know whether the Forbidden City's more impressive than the Colosseum, but there's nothing like either one in Africa. Even in their 19th-century senescence, they impressed the Brits enough for them to steal the standardized test. The characters seem like some impossible language capable of its own shades of meaning and multiplicity of opportunities for wordplay (remember the guy who wrote a poem using only one syllable?) There are thousands of books full of stories, true and false, you will never learn to read. Even in the modern era the smaller East Asian countries shaped up pretty quick once they realized they had to, and China's getting there, they just have the problem of being way too big.

    If there's a Western Civ, there must be a non-Western Civ, and the obvious contrast to west is east.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie

  147. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @AnotherDad


    But the plain fact is if you want your people, your nation to survive you should stay as far from English and the delude to minoritarian stupidity pumped out from America as you possibly can. Seriously, ban English, ban Hollyweird, quarantine and kill any outbreak the minoritarian plague–arrest and deport anyone spewing it–and your people will probably survive and flourish.
     
    Ironically, your prose in the English above is muddled with non sequitur conflations and awkward syntax. There’s nothing wrong with English (in fact it is the best language by far)—the world is filled with idiots speaking many different languages. English can help fix what ails us—if we know how to use it.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Ironically, your prose in the English above is muddled with non sequitur conflations and awkward syntax.

    I need an editor–more patience and diligence. But a comma after “survive” and fix my “delude to” typo to “deluge of” and it reads just fine.

    You’re certainly correct–idiots spewing nonsense in every language. But my point is correct, the fountainhead of the minoritarian glop is centered in America and spews out in English. Nations that are more linguistically isolated tend–high correlation–to be in better shape.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @AnotherDad


    But my point is correct, the fountainhead of the minoritarian glop is centered in America and spews out in English. Nations that are more linguistically isolated tend–high correlation–to be in better shape.
     
    AD, your point is mistaken. It’s not the software, it’s the hardware—who is using (hijacking) English to spew minoritarian glop. Identify the “minoritarians” and use English to defeat them rhetorically and legally. If, over time, rhetoric and legal argument turns out to be insufficient, and the situation becomes intolerable, physically ‘unplugging’ the hostile hardware vectors is a tried and true age-old option. There's no need to switch to Esperanto or Loup A.
  148. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You mean it sounds ridicerous! Spoken Mandarin and other Chinese dialects are one thing - not so much grammar and ZERO spelling to learn, so ... however, the written language, well, I've told them before in person "That's no way to do a written language! Make it stop!"

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anonymous

    The official standard Mandarin doesn’t sound bad at all. I took Mandarin in college, and it sounds nicer than languages like Dutch or German.

    Writing is hard, but reading is much easier than people assume because you encounter the characters in the context of multi-syllable words, phrases, sentences, etc. so they’re generally in patterns you recognize. I don’t think I would’ve taken Mandarin if they didn’t still use the characters. I’ve always had an interest in orthography so have studied several languages with non Latin scripts like Greek, Hebrew, Chinese, Sanskrit.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    Nah, #205, I was just correcting the pronunciation for Generic American. I think Mandarin sounds nice, thought I gotta say Japanese sounds really damn sexy when spoken by female... flight attendants at least...

    The thing is, the language is sooooo foreign, that until I knew just a little bit, I couldn't even tell when one word ended and another one began. Then, there are the tones, which are not hard in principle - just the 4 - but my mind is not geared to caring about which tone goes with a syllable (when trying to listen).

    I don't get this part of your comment:


    I don’t think I would’ve taken Mandarin if they didn’t still use the characters.
     
    You mean if it were written in Pin Yin Western characters? In that case, it's not Mandarin at all, though, right? I mean, if they went all the way to that - I'm told there's way too much meaning that'd be lost - I'd be happy to learn to read/write that.

    Anyway, I am not good at the memorization involved in learning languages. Different words/spelling/grammar is one thing, but learning 3,000 characters with average 10-15 squiggles apiece is ... arduous is not a strong enough word.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  149. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie

    Thank you for your service Twinkie!

    https://twitter.com/activeasian/status/1707977592224231793

    Replies: @res, @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

    Asian guy in San Francisco holds down a 6’3, 300 lb man who attacked three white women, including a 82 yr old elder in the West Portal neighborhood.

    Good for him!

    All men of good will must stand up and defend civilization.

    Thank you for your service Twinkie!

    Is this going to be a meme on Unz where every time some East Asian guy does something good, it will be attributed to “Twinkie”? E.g. some East Asian man rescues a cat from a tree? Then it’s Twinkie strikes again!

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie


    Then it’s Twinkie strikes again!
     
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLWFvzFiyuvZAG5aqLVmoE9FGi_Q3tHsFEZQ&usqp.jpg


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8DkuZK106ZSQeh_-aDtXgT8KNPvmSk3Af3g&usqp.jpg


    Thanks for the Two Million words here at Unz, I've read every one of them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  150. @Corvinus
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    “What Sailer might note is that it was the existence of White societies that more fundamentally saved his life.”

    Medical advancements saved his life, which came from a wide range of peoples.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Are you talking to yourself again? Or is it Troll vs Troll?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    That’s rich coming from someone like yourself who has Jew on the brain.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @rocko

  151. @Steve Sailer
    @Laurence Jarvik

    "Jew" and "Palestinian" refer to their ethnicities.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Could have fooled us. Might as well refer to both men as being white.

  152. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    Are you talking to yourself again? Or is it Troll vs Troll?


    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qeqW8wjp4TsNkCiFfDxPsF2KflI=/72x0:584x341/1820x1213/filters:focal(72x0:584x341):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/1948909/spy_vs_spy-657x341.0.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus

    That’s rich coming from someone like yourself who has Jew on the brain.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    That’s rich coming from someone like yourself who has Jew on the brain.
     
    97% of my "anti-Semitism" is directed at the 97% of Semites who are not Jewish. For someone who spends considerable time here, you can't keep your fellow commenters straight.
    , @rocko
    @Corvinus

    Little Corvinus is still going at it

    You're still getting replaced gringo soiboi

  153. @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The official standard Mandarin doesn't sound bad at all. I took Mandarin in college, and it sounds nicer than languages like Dutch or German.

    Writing is hard, but reading is much easier than people assume because you encounter the characters in the context of multi-syllable words, phrases, sentences, etc. so they're generally in patterns you recognize. I don't think I would've taken Mandarin if they didn't still use the characters. I've always had an interest in orthography so have studied several languages with non Latin scripts like Greek, Hebrew, Chinese, Sanskrit.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Nah, #205, I was just correcting the pronunciation for Generic American. I think Mandarin sounds nice, thought I gotta say Japanese sounds really damn sexy when spoken by female… flight attendants at least…

    The thing is, the language is sooooo foreign, that until I knew just a little bit, I couldn’t even tell when one word ended and another one began. Then, there are the tones, which are not hard in principle – just the 4 – but my mind is not geared to caring about which tone goes with a syllable (when trying to listen).

    I don’t get this part of your comment:

    I don’t think I would’ve taken Mandarin if they didn’t still use the characters.

    You mean if it were written in Pin Yin Western characters? In that case, it’s not Mandarin at all, though, right? I mean, if they went all the way to that – I’m told there’s way too much meaning that’d be lost – I’d be happy to learn to read/write that.

    Anyway, I am not good at the memorization involved in learning languages. Different words/spelling/grammar is one thing, but learning 3,000 characters with average 10-15 squiggles apiece is … arduous is not a strong enough word.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You mean if it were written in Pin Yin Western characters? In that case, it’s not Mandarin at all, though, right? I mean, if they went all the way to that – I’m told there’s way too much meaning that’d be lost – I’d be happy to learn to read/write that.

    Anyway, I am not good at the memorization involved in learning languages. Different words/spelling/grammar is one thing, but learning 3,000 characters with average 10-15 squiggles apiece is … arduous is not a strong enough word.
     
    Yes, if they still didn't use the characters, I would not have had the intellectual interest to formally study the language. If it were written in pinyin or some other alphabet, it would still be Mandarin. A language is independent of its orthography.

    There are patterns to the characters that aid recognition. Each character has a "radical" element which suggests meaning. There are roughly 200 radicals that become easy to recognize because they were originally pictographs that are easy to see and remember. Typically, besides the radical element, the other element in a character is phonetic - though not purely like an alphabetic letter. The vast majority of characters are "phono-semantic compounds" i.e. they have 2 elements - one radical semantic element suggesting meaning, and another suggesting sound. So most of the characters are generated by combinations of a smaller set of these phonetic and semantic elements that become easily identifiable.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  154. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie

    Thank you for your service Twinkie!

    https://twitter.com/activeasian/status/1707977592224231793

    Replies: @res, @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

    That’s not poutine, or even Garbage Plate.

    We won’t ask about the meat. Given that it’s San Francisco, it could very well be long pig, homeless variety.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  155. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Sailer should feel indebted to White society, if to anything or anyone."
    I think you mean Western Civilization, which teaches that we are individuals responsible for our own lives, and gives us many resources to make those lives excellent.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Liberia in Africa was explicitly founded on the principles of Western civilization and our constitution. I assume you’ll be going there for your medical care?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I'm a currently unemployable white man.
    I hope I don't need any medical care soon.

    That said, I think you are confusing two totally different issues.
    (Liberia is a very odd case....)
    The United States is a country grounded in the history of Western Civilization (as are some other countries).
    ANYONE who comes to the US (regardless of their race) should be required to basically "buy in" to that.
    Candidates of different racial/ethnic backgrounds won't necessarily meet that standard in the same proportions, and that's fine.
    BUT.... trying to forcibly export "Western" norms is a proven failure in recent times, for multiple reasons.
    (Admittedly, part of the problem is that the "Western elites" trying that have a warped grasp of Western civilization... but yeah there are other problems too...)

    Liberia is a totally different case.
    When slaves were freed, it made sense to many to support their return to Africa.
    Decent people figured to set them up with the best Western norms.
    Did this work?
    The answer is complicated.
    The Americo-Liberians ended up lording it over the locals for most of the history of Liberia.
    So actfually, it DID sort of work for THEM.
    In the "Africa liberation" phase of recent history, shit broke down and the local tribes rebelled and Liberia became a hellhole for some time.
    Does this mean the whole Liberia project was misguided?
    Maybe the problem was that American elites lost interest in Liberia and found it an emberassing relic of history?

    Actually I was going to finish this post with a different angle... but now I am really intrigued.
    What if US elites had not given up on Liberia?
    Would it be a totally kickass Wakanda/Rwanda?
    Dunno.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

  156. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    That’s rich coming from someone like yourself who has Jew on the brain.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @rocko

    That’s rich coming from someone like yourself who has Jew on the brain.

    97% of my “anti-Semitism” is directed at the 97% of Semites who are not Jewish. For someone who spends considerable time here, you can’t keep your fellow commenters straight.

    • LOL: Corvinus
  157. @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    “And one class of rich people who make their own riches are hyper-greedy to the point that swindling for what to them is chump change is something they will do”

    So why do you easily get hornswoggled by Trump? Are you that easy of a mark?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Corvy! What’s it like being hornswoggled by Mr. Soros and Mr. Brock, our little paid internet hasbara troll?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    "What’s it like being hornswoggled by Mr. Soros and Mr. Brock, our little paid internet hasbara troll?"

    I don't know, as I am not on their payroll. You, on the other hand, fellate Trump, who then proceeds to s--- all over you. And you come back for more. Really sad!

  158. Hi Steve, You wrote “Modern medical breakthroughs tend to be vastly complicated involving many scientists”. This is surely true in many instances. However, the expectation that this is typically or always the case is one of the reasons why many doctors, researchers, immunologists, public health officials, journalist and ordinary people ignore the well established, but little known, fact that the immune system needs at least 50 ng/mL (125 nmol/L) circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D (produced in the liver from vitamin D3) in order to function properly.

    To such people, the idea that proper vitamin D3 supplementation is (for the great majority of humanity who do not get sufficient ultraviolet-B skin exposure all year round) is necessary for immune system health seems “too simple to be true”. Without proper vitamin D3 supplementation (for 70 kg 154 lb body weight without obesity, around 0.125 mg 5000 IU a day, on average) and without recent high level UV-B exposure on ideally white skin, most people have 1/10 to 1/2 of the 25-hydroxyvitamin D their immune system needs to be healthy.

    Most doctors and immunologists are unaware of this research, which is cited and discussed at: https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/ . They tend to assume that 20 ng/mL 50 nmol/L 25-hydroxyvitamin D is adequate, because this is sufficient for the needs of the kidney in regulating calcium-phosphate-bone metabolism. Government recommendations for vitamin D3 daily supplemental intakes – such as 0.125 mg 600 IU a day, for all adults, irrespective of body weight and obesity status – can generally attain those levels, but cannot come close to attaining the 50 ng/mL the immune system needs.

    The importance of this cannot be overstated: in-utero and early childhood neurodevelopment, infectious and autoimmune diseases (especially COVID-19 and influenza), cancer and age-related neurodegeneration (Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease etc.). Please read the research.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Robin Whittle

    Agree on the importance of Vitamin D to health, and thanks for linking your research on the subject -- too long to read right now. An intake of 5,000 IU per day is at the high end of most of the informed recommendations one finds. (I take a supplement of 2,000 IU/day, FWIW.)

    Here's a link to Gwern's page on Vitamin D. He also settled on 5,000 IU/day, but is unconvinced that it's better than a tenfold-lower quantity.

    In terms of cautions, not much to be worried about: Vitamin D toxicity doesn't seem to kick in until doses get very, very high. And it's cheap.

  159. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    Fair enough, Reg.

    I shouldn't have agreed with the Anon, as Twinkie, though he does get a little sensitive about anything written in any way derogatory about Oriental folks, is definitely appreciate of the West - also a big contributor, from what he's written.

    However, all that jazz about the Chinese having invented this or that, but they just didn't quite get around to making it (not talking gunpowder and paper), got the ideas on paper though ... has been pissing me off. The modern Chinese infrastructure and other technological marvels are very impressive, but they got started 40 years ago and have gotten this far, by stealing all the ideas from the West, especially America, that they possibly could.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    PRC’s infrastructure foundation was built under Soviet guidance. The biggest foreign benefactor of Deng’s reform was Japan, followed by America.

    Stealing is a strong charge. Technology transfer in exchange for cheaper production capacity is the usual characterization. This is also related to US owing a shit ton of money to China.

    As for industrial espionage:

    Under the Patent Act of 1793, the United States barred foreign inventors from receiving patents at the same time as granting patents to Americans who had pirated technology from other countries. “America thus became, by national policy and legislative act, the world’s premier legal sanctuary for industrial pirates. Any American could bring a foreign innovation to the United States and commercialize the idea, all with total legal immunity.”[20]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_patent_law#Patent_Act_of_1793

    known as the “Father of the American Industrial Revolution”, a phrase coined by Andrew Jackson, and the “Father of the American Factory System”. In the United Kingdom, he was called “Slater the Traitor”[1] and “Sam the Slate” because he brought British textile technology to the United States, modifying it for American use. He stole the textile factory machinery designs as an apprentice to a pioneer in the British industry before migrating to the U.S. at the age of 21.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

    Economic and industrial espionage has a long history. Father Francois Xavier d’Entrecolles, who visited Jingdezhen, China in 1712 and later used this visit to reveal the manufacturing methods of Chinese porcelain to Europe, is sometimes considered to have conducted an early case of industrial espionage.[16]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Origins

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.


    https://twitter.com/profstonge/status/1721163636645777639

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I like reading your comments regarding Oriental history, but you're highly full of shit in this comment.

    What? The Soviets helped? Almost all of the massive infrastructure work has been long after the USSR had been defeated, I'd say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 - 20 years. Sure, Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets. So, that was some bunk there.

    Next, you say:


    Stealing is a strong charge.
     
    No, it's pretty freaking accurate. 10's or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov't. In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such. My personal story is about airbags: Chinese grad students and airbag espionage.

    You should read the book Poorly Made in China to learn how things have been going in the technology transfer from America to China. It's about over with - they can do fine on their own now.

    Now, that whataboutism you excerpt is not from the time period I'm talking about. The 1700s into the 1800s are outside the subject matter here and do not address my point.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China, unless you mean Globalist elites and other greedy bastards within the Potomac Regime over the last 30 years. Yes, "we" owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That's due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap, with about no other choice at this point.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Boomthorkell
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Any country that can steal technology and operate it should. Any country that has the capacity to should execute anyone who tries to steal its technology.

    This is what normal thinking people who can set aside gay concepts like "Elite-driven morality" and replace it with "What is good for my people?" can conclude.

    America's Jewish and Liberal globalist leadership sacrificed American tech in favor of a global system that would involve China as an important core. This was terrible for America. It was good for China. America taking tech in the past was good for America, while bad for others.

    As an American, it should be stopped at all costs. For the Chinese, they should use this as much as possible.

  160. @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Ironically, your prose in the English above is muddled with non sequitur conflations and awkward syntax.
     
    I need an editor--more patience and diligence. But a comma after "survive" and fix my "delude to" typo to "deluge of" and it reads just fine.

    You're certainly correct--idiots spewing nonsense in every language. But my point is correct, the fountainhead of the minoritarian glop is centered in America and spews out in English. Nations that are more linguistically isolated tend--high correlation--to be in better shape.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But my point is correct, the fountainhead of the minoritarian glop is centered in America and spews out in English. Nations that are more linguistically isolated tend–high correlation–to be in better shape.

    AD, your point is mistaken. It’s not the software, it’s the hardware—who is using (hijacking) English to spew minoritarian glop. Identify the “minoritarians” and use English to defeat them rhetorically and legally. If, over time, rhetoric and legal argument turns out to be insufficient, and the situation becomes intolerable, physically ‘unplugging’ the hostile hardware vectors is a tried and true age-old option. There’s no need to switch to Esperanto or Loup A.

  161. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I've been a reggae fan since adolescence and I would never have considered "Sugar, Sugar" to be reggae. It's a good song though.

    "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da", from a year earlier, is more reggae than that IMHO.

    But reggae and its predecessors calypso, mento, ska and bluebeat were around for decades before and the point where one form merges into another is moot....

    Skinhead culture emerged in the UK around 1968/9 and the skinhead boys and girls were a rough crowd... us grammar school boys always avoided walking past the local youth club at chucking out time ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blPVNVhuQnY

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    ptitsa at 1:37, viddy well.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Wokechoke

    When the Clockwork Orange film/movie came out in 1972 , I saw at a game a gang of Leicester City soccer supporters in droog outfits, hats and all. A few weeks after that I read a news report of a gang rape carried out in Leicester by people in droog/malchick gear.

    https://www.ica.art/media/01767.jpg

    "Monkey see, monkey do"

    Never saw a trial report, but it surely wouldn't have been hard to find the perps.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  162. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    That’s rich coming from someone like yourself who has Jew on the brain.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @rocko

    Little Corvinus is still going at it

    You’re still getting replaced gringo soiboi

  163. @John Gruskos
    @Fidelios Automata

    The ancestors of the Palestinians were the very large number of ancient Jews who believed in Jesus and formed the original core of the Christian church.

    Unlike the Pharisees, these Jewish Christians did not participate in the revolts against Rome and were not expelled from Palestine.

    After the Muslim conquest of Palestine, some converted to Islam while others remained Christian.

    Taking this history into account, the full absurdity of "Christian Zionism" is revealed.

    According to the "Christian Zionists", the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who rejected Christ ("Jews") are "blessed" precisely because they rejected him, while the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who accepted Christ ("Palestinians") are "cursed" precisely because they accepted him.

    "Christian Zionists" need to repent of their wicked heresy. The blood of the martyrs murdered by IDF terrorists at the Gaza Baptist Hospital and at Saint Porphyrios Church is on the hands of the "Christian Zionists".

    Replies: @Malla

    When the Romans supposedly kicked out all the Jews from that place into exile, it is very likely they kicked out the local elite castes/ classes. Priests, mercantile elites, aristocrats etc…, many of them went to Europe. So the average European was competing against the intellectual elites of a population. While the commoners of that regions stayed behind and became Christians and later some became Muslims. Some even intermixed with the Arabs from Arabic peninsula after becoming Muslims.
    So Israelis killing Palestinians might basically be the descendants of elites/ upper castes etc… killing off the descendants of commoners/ lower castes.

  164. Anonymous[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    Nah, #205, I was just correcting the pronunciation for Generic American. I think Mandarin sounds nice, thought I gotta say Japanese sounds really damn sexy when spoken by female... flight attendants at least...

    The thing is, the language is sooooo foreign, that until I knew just a little bit, I couldn't even tell when one word ended and another one began. Then, there are the tones, which are not hard in principle - just the 4 - but my mind is not geared to caring about which tone goes with a syllable (when trying to listen).

    I don't get this part of your comment:


    I don’t think I would’ve taken Mandarin if they didn’t still use the characters.
     
    You mean if it were written in Pin Yin Western characters? In that case, it's not Mandarin at all, though, right? I mean, if they went all the way to that - I'm told there's way too much meaning that'd be lost - I'd be happy to learn to read/write that.

    Anyway, I am not good at the memorization involved in learning languages. Different words/spelling/grammar is one thing, but learning 3,000 characters with average 10-15 squiggles apiece is ... arduous is not a strong enough word.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You mean if it were written in Pin Yin Western characters? In that case, it’s not Mandarin at all, though, right? I mean, if they went all the way to that – I’m told there’s way too much meaning that’d be lost – I’d be happy to learn to read/write that.

    Anyway, I am not good at the memorization involved in learning languages. Different words/spelling/grammar is one thing, but learning 3,000 characters with average 10-15 squiggles apiece is … arduous is not a strong enough word.

    Yes, if they still didn’t use the characters, I would not have had the intellectual interest to formally study the language. If it were written in pinyin or some other alphabet, it would still be Mandarin. A language is independent of its orthography.

    There are patterns to the characters that aid recognition. Each character has a “radical” element which suggests meaning. There are roughly 200 radicals that become easy to recognize because they were originally pictographs that are easy to see and remember. Typically, besides the radical element, the other element in a character is phonetic – though not purely like an alphabetic letter. The vast majority of characters are “phono-semantic compounds” i.e. they have 2 elements – one radical semantic element suggesting meaning, and another suggesting sound. So most of the characters are generated by combinations of a smaller set of these phonetic and semantic elements that become easily identifiable.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Anonymous

    Back when I studied Japanese, I didn't find the kanji hard to learn at all. I had a very good teacher who lectured us on both the visual and conceptual etymology of each character/radical as he introduced them. It's a marvelous language, and sufficiently different from Western languages that it provides a wealth of insights into the varieties of the origins of language, viz philosophy of language, which is vital for any serious writer. Similar to the way you grow up speaking English, and then when you begin to study Latin, you suddenly realize you've been talking your entire life without the faintest whiff of any serious grammar. While I was studying Latin, I used to dream in Latin, and my dreams were much clearer as a result.

    The only problem with studying kanji/Chinese characters is that it's time-consuming, and maybe not the best way to spend your time, if you have better more serious more urgent things to do. And my problem was, I simply had lots of better things to do.

  165. @Twinkie
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    Asian guy in San Francisco holds down a 6’3, 300 lb man who attacked three white women, including a 82 yr old elder in the West Portal neighborhood.
     
    Good for him!

    All men of good will must stand up and defend civilization.

    Thank you for your service Twinkie!
     
    Is this going to be a meme on Unz where every time some East Asian guy does something good, it will be attributed to "Twinkie"? E.g. some East Asian man rescues a cat from a tree? Then it's Twinkie strikes again!

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Then it’s Twinkie strikes again!


    Thanks for the Two Million words here at Unz, I’ve read every one of them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    Thanks for the Two Million words here at Unz, I’ve read every one of them.
     
    That's the scariest thing I've ever read on Unz.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  166. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Liberia in Africa was explicitly founded on the principles of Western civilization and our constitution. I assume you’ll be going there for your medical care?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’m a currently unemployable white man.
    I hope I don’t need any medical care soon.

    That said, I think you are confusing two totally different issues.
    (Liberia is a very odd case….)
    The United States is a country grounded in the history of Western Civilization (as are some other countries).
    ANYONE who comes to the US (regardless of their race) should be required to basically “buy in” to that.
    Candidates of different racial/ethnic backgrounds won’t necessarily meet that standard in the same proportions, and that’s fine.
    BUT…. trying to forcibly export “Western” norms is a proven failure in recent times, for multiple reasons.
    (Admittedly, part of the problem is that the “Western elites” trying that have a warped grasp of Western civilization… but yeah there are other problems too…)

    Liberia is a totally different case.
    When slaves were freed, it made sense to many to support their return to Africa.
    Decent people figured to set them up with the best Western norms.
    Did this work?
    The answer is complicated.
    The Americo-Liberians ended up lording it over the locals for most of the history of Liberia.
    So actfually, it DID sort of work for THEM.
    In the “Africa liberation” phase of recent history, shit broke down and the local tribes rebelled and Liberia became a hellhole for some time.
    Does this mean the whole Liberia project was misguided?
    Maybe the problem was that American elites lost interest in Liberia and found it an emberassing relic of history?

    Actually I was going to finish this post with a different angle… but now I am really intrigued.
    What if US elites had not given up on Liberia?
    Would it be a totally kickass Wakanda/Rwanda?
    Dunno.

    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Anonymous


    What if US elites had not given up on Liberia?
    Would it be a totally kickass Wakanda/Rwanda?
    Dunno.
     
    I think you know the answer. I think everyone does. Western elites, from Europe itself, spent centuries trying to make Latin America into Europe. They failed. The better areas down there tend to be ... more White.

    Can we stop running this experiment over and over hoping for a different result?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  167. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    PRC's infrastructure foundation was built under Soviet guidance. The biggest foreign benefactor of Deng's reform was Japan, followed by America.

    Stealing is a strong charge. Technology transfer in exchange for cheaper production capacity is the usual characterization. This is also related to US owing a shit ton of money to China.

    As for industrial espionage:


    Under the Patent Act of 1793, the United States barred foreign inventors from receiving patents at the same time as granting patents to Americans who had pirated technology from other countries. “America thus became, by national policy and legislative act, the world’s premier legal sanctuary for industrial pirates. Any American could bring a foreign innovation to the United States and commercialize the idea, all with total legal immunity.”[20]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_patent_law#Patent_Act_of_1793

    known as the "Father of the American Industrial Revolution", a phrase coined by Andrew Jackson, and the "Father of the American Factory System". In the United Kingdom, he was called "Slater the Traitor"[1] and "Sam the Slate" because he brought British textile technology to the United States, modifying it for American use. He stole the textile factory machinery designs as an apprentice to a pioneer in the British industry before migrating to the U.S. at the age of 21.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

    Economic and industrial espionage has a long history. Father Francois Xavier d'Entrecolles, who visited Jingdezhen, China in 1712 and later used this visit to reveal the manufacturing methods of Chinese porcelain to Europe, is sometimes considered to have conducted an early case of industrial espionage.[16]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Origins

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman, @Boomthorkell

    Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.

    [MORE]

  168. @Twinkie
    @AnotherDad


    If they [the Chinese] never existed modernity would still be here.
     
    History is full of many - indeed an endless stream of - contingencies, all of which had to come together to create this present "timeline" if you will.

    If the Chinese never existed, the course of human history may well have been very different. For starters, it was the story of the fabulous wealth of the East (starting with the Romans who went silk-mad and through Marco Polo - who actually brought real information from the Mongol Empire about its power and wealth) and being cut off from the highly desired merchandise from it (silk, porcelain, spices, and later even tea) that was - at least partially - an impetus for the Western Europeans to set off in their great explorations - to bypass the Turks and Persians to the East.

    Removing small contingencies is enough to create enormous ripples down history. Removing an entire major civilization from history will have created a world that you and I would not recognize.

    ban English
     
    Perish such a thought! English is - because of its very complicated history - one of the most complex, variegated, and beautiful languages. Don't throw out this very beautiful baby with the bath water.

    Replies: @SFG

    Yeah, there’s been a civilization around the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers for something like 4000 years, though if I remember my history right it was Shih Huang Ti who stuck the whole thing together for the first time. Remove it and I have no clue what happens–my first thought is Islam becomes more powerful without an eastern border to expansion and eventually wins against the West, but who knows.

    Even travelling back in time and killing Confucius would likely render the world unrecognizable.

    I think there’s a fascination among moderately-chauvinistic Westerners such as myself in that the East Asian cultural sphere is very clearly quite different, yet not inferior–I don’t know whether the Forbidden City’s more impressive than the Colosseum, but there’s nothing like either one in Africa. Even in their 19th-century senescence, they impressed the Brits enough for them to steal the standardized test. The characters seem like some impossible language capable of its own shades of meaning and multiplicity of opportunities for wordplay (remember the guy who wrote a poem using only one syllable?) There are thousands of books full of stories, true and false, you will never learn to read. Even in the modern era the smaller East Asian countries shaped up pretty quick once they realized they had to, and China’s getting there, they just have the problem of being way too big.

    If there’s a Western Civ, there must be a non-Western Civ, and the obvious contrast to west is east.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @SFG


    The characters seem like some impossible language capable of its own shades of meaning and multiplicity of opportunities for wordplay (remember the guy who wrote a poem using only one syllable?)
     
    I consider this a weakness, not a strength. And continuity thanks to ideogrammatic (or logogrammatic) writing is anything but a strength. Phonetic alphabet has clearly shown to be a better vehicle for development of thought & expression of nuances.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @SFG

    "Even in their 19th-century senescence, they impressed the Brits enough for them to steal the standardized test. "

    Which the Brits used in their prime for their Civil Service. A relative took it aged 16 in the late 1930s, came (I think) third, and went from a crammed terrace in industrial South Wales to a comfortable life in what was then unenriched London suburbia, and a more than comfortable retirement as a pillar of his local church and gardening association.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @SFG

    SFG, just letting you know I replied to you re Government incompetence, but that was on a another computer, the comments from which have to wait for iSteve to wakey-wakey. ;-}

    I don't want to duplicate it, but just letting you know I'm not ignoring your response.

    , @Twinkie
    @SFG


    Yeah, there’s been a civilization around the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers for something like 4000 years
     
    Of the four ancient river valley civilizations, the one along the Yellow River has been the only (arguably) continuous one. Pretty mind-boggling if you think about it.

    Ancient Mesopotamians? Gone.
    Ancient Egyptians? Gone (sort of, maybe Copts count?).
    Ancient Indus Valley Civilization builders? Gone.
    Ancient Chinese? Still here.
  169. Say what you want, but Hamas crisis actor has become a meme …

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Bardon Kaldian

    https://images.app.goo.gl/PF76g57jWX4ifAHP9

    , @Twinkie
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I'm gonna cry if the "Hamas crisis actors" turns out to be... a Jew.

  170. @SFG
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, there's been a civilization around the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers for something like 4000 years, though if I remember my history right it was Shih Huang Ti who stuck the whole thing together for the first time. Remove it and I have no clue what happens--my first thought is Islam becomes more powerful without an eastern border to expansion and eventually wins against the West, but who knows.

    Even travelling back in time and killing Confucius would likely render the world unrecognizable.

    I think there's a fascination among moderately-chauvinistic Westerners such as myself in that the East Asian cultural sphere is very clearly quite different, yet not inferior--I don't know whether the Forbidden City's more impressive than the Colosseum, but there's nothing like either one in Africa. Even in their 19th-century senescence, they impressed the Brits enough for them to steal the standardized test. The characters seem like some impossible language capable of its own shades of meaning and multiplicity of opportunities for wordplay (remember the guy who wrote a poem using only one syllable?) There are thousands of books full of stories, true and false, you will never learn to read. Even in the modern era the smaller East Asian countries shaped up pretty quick once they realized they had to, and China's getting there, they just have the problem of being way too big.

    If there's a Western Civ, there must be a non-Western Civ, and the obvious contrast to west is east.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie

    The characters seem like some impossible language capable of its own shades of meaning and multiplicity of opportunities for wordplay (remember the guy who wrote a poem using only one syllable?)

    I consider this a weakness, not a strength. And continuity thanks to ideogrammatic (or logogrammatic) writing is anything but a strength. Phonetic alphabet has clearly shown to be a better vehicle for development of thought & expression of nuances.

  171. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Thea

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12740747/jonathan-lewis-killed-bullies-vegas.html

    And the father speaks of forgiveness....nauseating...

    Replies: @Brutusale, @JimDandy

    I dunno, I think another story from the Daily Mail is even worse. Tied up, beaten, and raped for two days…in prison!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12742693/prisoner-dead-tortured-two-days-prison-gang-alabama-facility-theft-sentence.html

  172. @Achmed E. Newman
    A Jew and a Palestinian...

    ... walk into a bar. A hot young big-breasted bar patron turns around, "I spilled my 3rd Scotch & Soda. Anyone got a dishrag?"

    Replies: @Dmon, @Anonymous, @Director95

    A black, a Mexican and a Puerto Rican are riding in a car.
    Who’s driving?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    The Cop.

  173. @SFG
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, there's been a civilization around the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers for something like 4000 years, though if I remember my history right it was Shih Huang Ti who stuck the whole thing together for the first time. Remove it and I have no clue what happens--my first thought is Islam becomes more powerful without an eastern border to expansion and eventually wins against the West, but who knows.

    Even travelling back in time and killing Confucius would likely render the world unrecognizable.

    I think there's a fascination among moderately-chauvinistic Westerners such as myself in that the East Asian cultural sphere is very clearly quite different, yet not inferior--I don't know whether the Forbidden City's more impressive than the Colosseum, but there's nothing like either one in Africa. Even in their 19th-century senescence, they impressed the Brits enough for them to steal the standardized test. The characters seem like some impossible language capable of its own shades of meaning and multiplicity of opportunities for wordplay (remember the guy who wrote a poem using only one syllable?) There are thousands of books full of stories, true and false, you will never learn to read. Even in the modern era the smaller East Asian countries shaped up pretty quick once they realized they had to, and China's getting there, they just have the problem of being way too big.

    If there's a Western Civ, there must be a non-Western Civ, and the obvious contrast to west is east.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie

    “Even in their 19th-century senescence, they impressed the Brits enough for them to steal the standardized test. “

    Which the Brits used in their prime for their Civil Service. A relative took it aged 16 in the late 1930s, came (I think) third, and went from a crammed terrace in industrial South Wales to a comfortable life in what was then unenriched London suburbia, and a more than comfortable retirement as a pillar of his local church and gardening association.

  174. @Sollipsist
    @Reg Cæsar

    "My Boy Lollipop" came really close (#2) about 5 years earlier... and was inarguably reggae/ska, despite originating as a doo wop tune...

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I think “My Boy Lollipop” was more like the shortlived “bluebeat” with ska elements.

    Doesn’t have dat reggae riddim.

    “Hibbert’s 1968 song “Do the Reggay” is widely credited as the genesis of the genre name reggae.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toots_Hibbert

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You're probably right. The whole bluebeat-ska-rocksteady-reggae timeline went in a few different directions in the 60s. I generally just use the shorthand ska=faster, reggae=slower, and although inaccurate, it's good enough to go with.

    But frankly I wouldn't have put "Sugar Sugar" in any of those categories...

  175. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    PRC's infrastructure foundation was built under Soviet guidance. The biggest foreign benefactor of Deng's reform was Japan, followed by America.

    Stealing is a strong charge. Technology transfer in exchange for cheaper production capacity is the usual characterization. This is also related to US owing a shit ton of money to China.

    As for industrial espionage:


    Under the Patent Act of 1793, the United States barred foreign inventors from receiving patents at the same time as granting patents to Americans who had pirated technology from other countries. “America thus became, by national policy and legislative act, the world’s premier legal sanctuary for industrial pirates. Any American could bring a foreign innovation to the United States and commercialize the idea, all with total legal immunity.”[20]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_patent_law#Patent_Act_of_1793

    known as the "Father of the American Industrial Revolution", a phrase coined by Andrew Jackson, and the "Father of the American Factory System". In the United Kingdom, he was called "Slater the Traitor"[1] and "Sam the Slate" because he brought British textile technology to the United States, modifying it for American use. He stole the textile factory machinery designs as an apprentice to a pioneer in the British industry before migrating to the U.S. at the age of 21.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

    Economic and industrial espionage has a long history. Father Francois Xavier d'Entrecolles, who visited Jingdezhen, China in 1712 and later used this visit to reveal the manufacturing methods of Chinese porcelain to Europe, is sometimes considered to have conducted an early case of industrial espionage.[16]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Origins

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman, @Boomthorkell

    I like reading your comments regarding Oriental history, but you’re highly full of shit in this comment.

    What? The Soviets helped? Almost all of the massive infrastructure work has been long after the USSR had been defeated, I’d say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 – 20 years. Sure, Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets. So, that was some bunk there.

    Next, you say:

    Stealing is a strong charge.

    No, it’s pretty freaking accurate. 10’s or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov’t. In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such. My personal story is about airbags: Chinese grad students and airbag espionage.

    You should read the book Poorly Made in China to learn how things have been going in the technology transfer from America to China. It’s about over with – they can do fine on their own now.

    Now, that whataboutism you excerpt is not from the time period I’m talking about. The 1700s into the 1800s are outside the subject matter here and do not address my point.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China, unless you mean Globalist elites and other greedy bastards within the Potomac Regime over the last 30 years. Yes, “we” owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That’s due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap, with about no other choice at this point.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    None of this jealous seething on your part amounts to a point, either. The Sam Slater example is prescient specifically because multiple warrants were issued for his arrest by the British government which America refused to comply with.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Soviets guided PRC's industrial foundation in the 50's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/tgNDkWw4/v2-a46afea20b933a0094012a8f01a28505-1440w.webp
    學習蘇聯先進經驗建設我們的祖國
    Learn from the advanced experience of the Soviet Union to build our Motherland

    Then the Sino-Soviet split took place in the late 60's. Nixon's rapprochement to China in 1972 wasn't simply a goodwill gesture, it was because US saw that China was able to stand up to Soviets and was a worthy ally, and quid pro quo for PRC switching sides and help the US win the Cold War against Soviet Union.


    I’d say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 – 20 years.
     
    Chinese signature infrastructure is HSR, its technology was purchased from Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China#Technology

    Beijing Capital Airport is built with tech and loans from Japan and Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Capital_International_Airport

    For Olympic Stadium it hired Swiss architects

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_National_Stadium

    You are saying that its stolen from America.


    Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets.
     
    And foreign investments and tech transfer, from Japan, US and Europe.

    10’s or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov’t.
     
    Those Chinese students:

    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities' bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and "advisors"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F51vuKOfdus


    Yes, “we” owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That’s due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap,
     
    US owe a shit tonne of money to Japan as well, does that mean Made in Japan is also crap?

    https://i.postimg.cc/QtMnJLhD/Unbenannt.png
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/246420/major-foreign-holders-of-us-treasury-debt/


    In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such.
     
    There is truth in this. But the examples I gave about US industrial development history is to put it in context.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China
     
    It was to an extent, even the most rabid PRC nationalists acknowledge this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_China

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you for the fascinating links - it's interesting in that it implies that China isn't inevitably the wave of the future, although imho with a billion 105-IQ people that's the way to bet.

    But I wonder if the seemingly inbuilt propensity to cheat/skim/cut corners would apply to say the Chengdu Aerospace Corporation facilities or similar companies seen by the Chinese leadership as strategically vital (like electric car manufacturing). After all, China pretty much unpersoned the Alibaba guy just for not having the correct views.

    Do Apple Corp get stiffed on iPad quality, or are Taiwanese Foxconn execs au fait with the various ruses?

    I may be wrong, but I could see people attempting to stiff the J-20 fighter manufacturers being exhibited in cages as enemies of the people - which they objectively would be. This could imply the worst of both future worlds - Chinese military/strategic dominance plus Chinese commercial rapaciousness - which I guess is what the Central American Republics have had to put up with, and perhaps Raj India too in its day*.

    * and of course de Beers customers since forever, and de Beers don't even have their own Armed Forces.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  176. @SFG
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, there's been a civilization around the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers for something like 4000 years, though if I remember my history right it was Shih Huang Ti who stuck the whole thing together for the first time. Remove it and I have no clue what happens--my first thought is Islam becomes more powerful without an eastern border to expansion and eventually wins against the West, but who knows.

    Even travelling back in time and killing Confucius would likely render the world unrecognizable.

    I think there's a fascination among moderately-chauvinistic Westerners such as myself in that the East Asian cultural sphere is very clearly quite different, yet not inferior--I don't know whether the Forbidden City's more impressive than the Colosseum, but there's nothing like either one in Africa. Even in their 19th-century senescence, they impressed the Brits enough for them to steal the standardized test. The characters seem like some impossible language capable of its own shades of meaning and multiplicity of opportunities for wordplay (remember the guy who wrote a poem using only one syllable?) There are thousands of books full of stories, true and false, you will never learn to read. Even in the modern era the smaller East Asian countries shaped up pretty quick once they realized they had to, and China's getting there, they just have the problem of being way too big.

    If there's a Western Civ, there must be a non-Western Civ, and the obvious contrast to west is east.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie

    SFG, just letting you know I replied to you re Government incompetence, but that was on a another computer, the comments from which have to wait for iSteve to wakey-wakey. ;-}

    I don’t want to duplicate it, but just letting you know I’m not ignoring your response.

  177. @Robin Whittle
    Hi Steve, You wrote "Modern medical breakthroughs tend to be vastly complicated involving many scientists". This is surely true in many instances. However, the expectation that this is typically or always the case is one of the reasons why many doctors, researchers, immunologists, public health officials, journalist and ordinary people ignore the well established, but little known, fact that the immune system needs at least 50 ng/mL (125 nmol/L) circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D (produced in the liver from vitamin D3) in order to function properly.

    To such people, the idea that proper vitamin D3 supplementation is (for the great majority of humanity who do not get sufficient ultraviolet-B skin exposure all year round) is necessary for immune system health seems "too simple to be true". Without proper vitamin D3 supplementation (for 70 kg 154 lb body weight without obesity, around 0.125 mg 5000 IU a day, on average) and without recent high level UV-B exposure on ideally white skin, most people have 1/10 to 1/2 of the 25-hydroxyvitamin D their immune system needs to be healthy.

    Most doctors and immunologists are unaware of this research, which is cited and discussed at: https://vitamindstopscovid.info/00-evi/ . They tend to assume that 20 ng/mL 50 nmol/L 25-hydroxyvitamin D is adequate, because this is sufficient for the needs of the kidney in regulating calcium-phosphate-bone metabolism. Government recommendations for vitamin D3 daily supplemental intakes - such as 0.125 mg 600 IU a day, for all adults, irrespective of body weight and obesity status - can generally attain those levels, but cannot come close to attaining the 50 ng/mL the immune system needs.

    The importance of this cannot be overstated: in-utero and early childhood neurodevelopment, infectious and autoimmune diseases (especially COVID-19 and influenza), cancer and age-related neurodegeneration (Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease etc.). Please read the research.

    Replies: @ic1000

    Agree on the importance of Vitamin D to health, and thanks for linking your research on the subject — too long to read right now. An intake of 5,000 IU per day is at the high end of most of the informed recommendations one finds. (I take a supplement of 2,000 IU/day, FWIW.)

    Here’s a link to Gwern’s page on Vitamin D. He also settled on 5,000 IU/day, but is unconvinced that it’s better than a tenfold-lower quantity.

    In terms of cautions, not much to be worried about: Vitamin D toxicity doesn’t seem to kick in until doses get very, very high. And it’s cheap.

  178. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Thea

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12740747/jonathan-lewis-killed-bullies-vegas.html

    And the father speaks of forgiveness....nauseating...

    Replies: @Brutusale, @JimDandy

    The government sends special teams in to get white parents spouting woke bullshit in situations like this. Not a conspiracy theory.

  179. @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I like reading your comments regarding Oriental history, but you're highly full of shit in this comment.

    What? The Soviets helped? Almost all of the massive infrastructure work has been long after the USSR had been defeated, I'd say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 - 20 years. Sure, Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets. So, that was some bunk there.

    Next, you say:


    Stealing is a strong charge.
     
    No, it's pretty freaking accurate. 10's or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov't. In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such. My personal story is about airbags: Chinese grad students and airbag espionage.

    You should read the book Poorly Made in China to learn how things have been going in the technology transfer from America to China. It's about over with - they can do fine on their own now.

    Now, that whataboutism you excerpt is not from the time period I'm talking about. The 1700s into the 1800s are outside the subject matter here and do not address my point.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China, unless you mean Globalist elites and other greedy bastards within the Potomac Regime over the last 30 years. Yes, "we" owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That's due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap, with about no other choice at this point.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @YetAnotherAnon

    None of this jealous seething on your part amounts to a point, either. The Sam Slater example is prescient specifically because multiple warrants were issued for his arrest by the British government which America refused to comply with.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    No jealousy, but, yeah, you get pissed off knowing "your" government sold everyone out. I don't care about Sam Slater. Time line, people!

    Keep this kind of commenting up, S & D, and I'm gonna drop your Social Credit score into the negatives.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  180. @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I like reading your comments regarding Oriental history, but you're highly full of shit in this comment.

    What? The Soviets helped? Almost all of the massive infrastructure work has been long after the USSR had been defeated, I'd say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 - 20 years. Sure, Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets. So, that was some bunk there.

    Next, you say:


    Stealing is a strong charge.
     
    No, it's pretty freaking accurate. 10's or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov't. In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such. My personal story is about airbags: Chinese grad students and airbag espionage.

    You should read the book Poorly Made in China to learn how things have been going in the technology transfer from America to China. It's about over with - they can do fine on their own now.

    Now, that whataboutism you excerpt is not from the time period I'm talking about. The 1700s into the 1800s are outside the subject matter here and do not address my point.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China, unless you mean Globalist elites and other greedy bastards within the Potomac Regime over the last 30 years. Yes, "we" owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That's due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap, with about no other choice at this point.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @YetAnotherAnon

    Soviets guided PRC’s industrial foundation in the 50’s.
    學習蘇聯先進經驗建設我們的祖國
    Learn from the advanced experience of the Soviet Union to build our Motherland

    Then the Sino-Soviet split took place in the late 60’s. Nixon’s rapprochement to China in 1972 wasn’t simply a goodwill gesture, it was because US saw that China was able to stand up to Soviets and was a worthy ally, and quid pro quo for PRC switching sides and help the US win the Cold War against Soviet Union.

    I’d say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 – 20 years.

    Chinese signature infrastructure is HSR, its technology was purchased from Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China#Technology

    Beijing Capital Airport is built with tech and loans from Japan and Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Capital_International_Airport

    For Olympic Stadium it hired Swiss architects

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_National_Stadium

    You are saying that its stolen from America.

    Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets.

    And foreign investments and tech transfer, from Japan, US and Europe.

    10’s or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov’t.

    Those Chinese students:

    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities’ bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and “advisors”

    Yes, “we” owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That’s due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap,

    US owe a shit tonne of money to Japan as well, does that mean Made in Japan is also crap?
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/246420/major-foreign-holders-of-us-treasury-debt/

    In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such.

    There is truth in this. But the examples I gave about US industrial development history is to put it in context.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China

    It was to an extent, even the most rabid PRC nationalists acknowledge this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_China

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXs2UkV2ReTy5RG8mLftr6Z_ehpIy6V1KETA&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    You don't seem to get this part: I'm talking about recent history, because only in recent history has China had anything resembling the impressive infrastructure that has been built up in the last 15 to 20 years. 15 to 20 does not include 1712, it doesn't include the 1800s, not the 1950s, and not the 1970s even. So, forget all that.

    China was never anything like the mess that some 3rd-World countries have been and are. (The term "2nd-World" was the Communist World, which included China.) However, most of it was very close to s__hole status through the early 1980s - some might say through 2005. Some of it still is pretty poor and backwards, but not very much, by my estimation.


    US owe a shit tonne of money to Japan as well, does that mean Made in Japan is also crap?
     
    Indeed, Japanese goods are anything but crap. I guess you missed my point though - it's that we are buying STUFF from them, a LOT of stuff, to the tune of a trade deficit of 1/2 a Billion $ yearly. Yes, indeed we own them US Dollars. Good luck to them. They are much better off using it to buy out houses on the west coast and university towns all over. I don't say it's out of the question that the Chinese won't be looting this place at some point in the near future. See Peak Stupidity's series Will America be looted by China?:

    Part 1: Intro.
    Part 2: Housing
    Part 3: Big Biz
    Part 4: The Fruited Plain
    Part 5: The Wilderness
    Part 6: Conclusion - The Golden Rule
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities’ bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and “advisors”

     
    All 3 points are true and very good ones! I haven't said otherwise.

    Americans used to do the same teaching (without the heavy accent even, which is nice... for an American student paying his own tuition money, as we used to...) and the same research. I was there, dude. They've been priced out by this, well "coolie labor" is good, but I'd call it indentured servitude, as have plenty - maybe almost as many - - •Indians.

    It's just that the Indian government is not nearly as organized and relatively unified compared to the CCP. So, they might personally steal plenty of ideas, but a) not many want to go home and b) these ideas don't get as far.

    So, yeah, who gains and who loses? Let's see:

    Chinese manufacturing and software business gain A LOT. The Chinese society has gained a lot. Americans who used to go to these grad schools and do these jobs lose. American manufacturing has lost a whole lot (that's not to say that it isn't mostly just due to being GIVEN away). The America-"based" Globalists and greedy Big Biz a-holes who sold off industry, the University administrations and departments, and still those 100's of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers who stay here or become airbag consultants back in China with their IP, they all gain.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot the American retail consumer. You could say he brought it on himself by shopping only based on price back 20 years ago when he had a chance. Not all of us thought that way. That's in the past, as right now, there is no choice but to buy from China for most retail products. That's a loss. Cheap China-made crap sucks.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @YetAnotherAnon

  181. @Bardon Kaldian
    Say what you want, but Hamas crisis actor has become a meme ...

    https://i.postimg.cc/kGn45h3K/crisisact.png

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Twinkie

  182. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Soviets guided PRC's industrial foundation in the 50's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/tgNDkWw4/v2-a46afea20b933a0094012a8f01a28505-1440w.webp
    學習蘇聯先進經驗建設我們的祖國
    Learn from the advanced experience of the Soviet Union to build our Motherland

    Then the Sino-Soviet split took place in the late 60's. Nixon's rapprochement to China in 1972 wasn't simply a goodwill gesture, it was because US saw that China was able to stand up to Soviets and was a worthy ally, and quid pro quo for PRC switching sides and help the US win the Cold War against Soviet Union.


    I’d say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 – 20 years.
     
    Chinese signature infrastructure is HSR, its technology was purchased from Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China#Technology

    Beijing Capital Airport is built with tech and loans from Japan and Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Capital_International_Airport

    For Olympic Stadium it hired Swiss architects

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_National_Stadium

    You are saying that its stolen from America.


    Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets.
     
    And foreign investments and tech transfer, from Japan, US and Europe.

    10’s or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov’t.
     
    Those Chinese students:

    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities' bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and "advisors"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F51vuKOfdus


    Yes, “we” owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That’s due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap,
     
    US owe a shit tonne of money to Japan as well, does that mean Made in Japan is also crap?

    https://i.postimg.cc/QtMnJLhD/Unbenannt.png
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/246420/major-foreign-holders-of-us-treasury-debt/


    In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such.
     
    There is truth in this. But the examples I gave about US industrial development history is to put it in context.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China
     
    It was to an extent, even the most rabid PRC nationalists acknowledge this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_China

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.

     

    Not good for affordable family formation, either. There is a bright spot, but with a population of 5,700, they can only do so much.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    " a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates"

    Which also has key positions in lots of hi-tech stuff like carbon fibre, stepper motors and ultra-pure silicon. And they do a lot of stuff that seems old-school like shipbuilding.


    Dutch companies are the world leaders in lithography steppers and scanners, which produce and refract the light that passes through a photomask (a transparent plate that contains the desired circuit pattern) to transfer that pattern to the silicon wafer. Japanese companies are the other major producers of steppers and scanners. In 2019, the two countries combined enjoyed more than 99 percent worldwide market share. Japan is also dominant in resist processing tools and electron beam lithography tools, which are critical for producing photomasks. Beyond lithography, there are other categories of semiconductor manufacturing equipment where Dutch and Japanese companies are also dominant—Japan in silicon wafer crystal machining equipment, for example—and Japan also excels in the production of the ultra-precise materials and ultra-pure chemicals that are used for semiconductor manufacturing.
     
    https://www.csis.org/analysis/clues-us-dutch-japanese-semiconductor-export-controls-deal-are-hiding-plain-sight
  183. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Soviets guided PRC's industrial foundation in the 50's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/tgNDkWw4/v2-a46afea20b933a0094012a8f01a28505-1440w.webp
    學習蘇聯先進經驗建設我們的祖國
    Learn from the advanced experience of the Soviet Union to build our Motherland

    Then the Sino-Soviet split took place in the late 60's. Nixon's rapprochement to China in 1972 wasn't simply a goodwill gesture, it was because US saw that China was able to stand up to Soviets and was a worthy ally, and quid pro quo for PRC switching sides and help the US win the Cold War against Soviet Union.


    I’d say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 – 20 years.
     
    Chinese signature infrastructure is HSR, its technology was purchased from Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China#Technology

    Beijing Capital Airport is built with tech and loans from Japan and Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Capital_International_Airport

    For Olympic Stadium it hired Swiss architects

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_National_Stadium

    You are saying that its stolen from America.


    Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets.
     
    And foreign investments and tech transfer, from Japan, US and Europe.

    10’s or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov’t.
     
    Those Chinese students:

    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities' bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and "advisors"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F51vuKOfdus


    Yes, “we” owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That’s due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap,
     
    US owe a shit tonne of money to Japan as well, does that mean Made in Japan is also crap?

    https://i.postimg.cc/QtMnJLhD/Unbenannt.png
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/246420/major-foreign-holders-of-us-treasury-debt/


    In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such.
     
    There is truth in this. But the examples I gave about US industrial development history is to put it in context.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China
     
    It was to an extent, even the most rabid PRC nationalists acknowledge this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_China

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    You don’t seem to get this part: I’m talking about recent history, because only in recent history has China had anything resembling the impressive infrastructure that has been built up in the last 15 to 20 years. 15 to 20 does not include 1712, it doesn’t include the 1800s, not the 1950s, and not the 1970s even. So, forget all that.

    China was never anything like the mess that some 3rd-World countries have been and are. (The term “2nd-World” was the Communist World, which included China.) However, most of it was very close to s__hole status through the early 1980s – some might say through 2005. Some of it still is pretty poor and backwards, but not very much, by my estimation.

    US owe a shit tonne of money to Japan as well, does that mean Made in Japan is also crap?

    Indeed, Japanese goods are anything but crap. I guess you missed my point though – it’s that we are buying STUFF from them, a LOT of stuff, to the tune of a trade deficit of 1/2 a Billion $ yearly. Yes, indeed we own them US Dollars. Good luck to them. They are much better off using it to buy out houses on the west coast and university towns all over. I don’t say it’s out of the question that the Chinese won’t be looting this place at some point in the near future. See Peak Stupidity‘s series Will America be looted by China?:

    Part 1: Intro.
    Part 2: Housing
    Part 3: Big Biz
    Part 4: The Fruited Plain
    Part 5: The Wilderness
    Part 6: Conclusion – The Golden Rule

  184. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Soviets guided PRC's industrial foundation in the 50's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/tgNDkWw4/v2-a46afea20b933a0094012a8f01a28505-1440w.webp
    學習蘇聯先進經驗建設我們的祖國
    Learn from the advanced experience of the Soviet Union to build our Motherland

    Then the Sino-Soviet split took place in the late 60's. Nixon's rapprochement to China in 1972 wasn't simply a goodwill gesture, it was because US saw that China was able to stand up to Soviets and was a worthy ally, and quid pro quo for PRC switching sides and help the US win the Cold War against Soviet Union.


    I’d say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 – 20 years.
     
    Chinese signature infrastructure is HSR, its technology was purchased from Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China#Technology

    Beijing Capital Airport is built with tech and loans from Japan and Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Capital_International_Airport

    For Olympic Stadium it hired Swiss architects

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_National_Stadium

    You are saying that its stolen from America.


    Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets.
     
    And foreign investments and tech transfer, from Japan, US and Europe.

    10’s or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov’t.
     
    Those Chinese students:

    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities' bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and "advisors"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F51vuKOfdus


    Yes, “we” owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That’s due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap,
     
    US owe a shit tonne of money to Japan as well, does that mean Made in Japan is also crap?

    https://i.postimg.cc/QtMnJLhD/Unbenannt.png
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/246420/major-foreign-holders-of-us-treasury-debt/


    In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such.
     
    There is truth in this. But the examples I gave about US industrial development history is to put it in context.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China
     
    It was to an extent, even the most rabid PRC nationalists acknowledge this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_China

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities’ bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and “advisors”

    All 3 points are true and very good ones! I haven’t said otherwise.

    Americans used to do the same teaching (without the heavy accent even, which is nice… for an American student paying his own tuition money, as we used to…) and the same research. I was there, dude. They’ve been priced out by this, well “coolie labor” is good, but I’d call it indentured servitude, as have plenty – maybe almost as many – – •Indians.

    It’s just that the Indian government is not nearly as organized and relatively unified compared to the CCP. So, they might personally steal plenty of ideas, but a) not many want to go home and b) these ideas don’t get as far.

    So, yeah, who gains and who loses? Let’s see:

    Chinese manufacturing and software business gain A LOT. The Chinese society has gained a lot. Americans who used to go to these grad schools and do these jobs lose. American manufacturing has lost a whole lot (that’s not to say that it isn’t mostly just due to being GIVEN away). The America-“based” Globalists and greedy Big Biz a-holes who sold off industry, the University administrations and departments, and still those 100’s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers who stay here or become airbag consultants back in China with their IP, they all gain.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot the American retail consumer. You could say he brought it on himself by shopping only based on price back 20 years ago when he had a chance. Not all of us thought that way. That’s in the past, as right now, there is no choice but to buy from China for most retail products. That’s a loss. Cheap China-made crap sucks.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Industrial foundation isn't the fancy stuff, its the basics-- coal, steel, electricity. PRC got its kick-start with Soviets, and roll the snowball till today that it has like half of the world's capacity. Then that led to the shiny cities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKgKKrRD0kM

    India will never get there, not just because of HBD and organization ability, but because it never took a side in the Cold War.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Non-Aligned_Movement_by_Date_Joined.svg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

    Whereas PRC resolutely sided with Communist bloc against Capitalists, then switched sides. So it received goodies from both sides.

    You can call that double-dealing, but it also in the cost of circa half a million combat deaths as Soviet cannon fodder in the Korean War.


    Japanese goods are anything but crap. I guess you missed my point though
     
    My point is that US runs both debt and trade deficit towards all export economies.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/USDebt.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/U.S._trade_deficit_in_2017.jpg

    Who is going to be churning out goods to soak up the money supply and backstop dollar from going the way of Weimar Papiermark? It’s going be cheap crap from China.


    Oh, yeah, I forgot the American retail consumer.
     
    Yes but you also have sportsball and golf course architecture. That stuff doesn't come cheap, you need the strong dollar that backs cheap Mexican labor and Chinese trinkets.

    I would wager that 90% of NBA NFL MLB NHL equipment merchandise is Made in China.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    " Cheap China-made crap sucks."

    Indeed - I haunt car boot sales for UK or US tools made of decent steel that will last indefinitely.

    But ... I'm old enough to remember (late 50s early 60s) when cheap Japan-made crap sucked.Within 15 years Japanese electronics, motorbikes and cars were everywhere.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  185. @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    Corvy! What's it like being hornswoggled by Mr. Soros and Mr. Brock, our little paid internet hasbara troll?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “What’s it like being hornswoggled by Mr. Soros and Mr. Brock, our little paid internet hasbara troll?”

    I don’t know, as I am not on their payroll. You, on the other hand, fellate Trump, who then proceeds to s— all over you. And you come back for more. Really sad!

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
  186. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Sollipsist

    I think "My Boy Lollipop" was more like the shortlived "bluebeat" with ska elements.

    Doesn't have dat reggae riddim.

    "Hibbert's 1968 song "Do the Reggay" is widely credited as the genesis of the genre name reggae."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fchEBChUkck

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toots_Hibbert

    Replies: @Sollipsist

    You’re probably right. The whole bluebeat-ska-rocksteady-reggae timeline went in a few different directions in the 60s. I generally just use the shorthand ska=faster, reggae=slower, and although inaccurate, it’s good enough to go with.

    But frankly I wouldn’t have put “Sugar Sugar” in any of those categories…

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  187. @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    None of this jealous seething on your part amounts to a point, either. The Sam Slater example is prescient specifically because multiple warrants were issued for his arrest by the British government which America refused to comply with.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    No jealousy, but, yeah, you get pissed off knowing “your” government sold everyone out. I don’t care about Sam Slater. Time line, people!

    Keep this kind of commenting up, S & D, and I’m gonna drop your Social Credit score into the negatives.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You can’t have a social credit score as a non-citizen.

    I wish I did, though! Thankfully my daughter does.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  188. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXs2UkV2ReTy5RG8mLftr6Z_ehpIy6V1KETA&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.

    Not good for affordable family formation, either. There is a bright spot, but with a population of 5,700, they can only do so much.

  189. @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities’ bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and “advisors”

     
    All 3 points are true and very good ones! I haven't said otherwise.

    Americans used to do the same teaching (without the heavy accent even, which is nice... for an American student paying his own tuition money, as we used to...) and the same research. I was there, dude. They've been priced out by this, well "coolie labor" is good, but I'd call it indentured servitude, as have plenty - maybe almost as many - - •Indians.

    It's just that the Indian government is not nearly as organized and relatively unified compared to the CCP. So, they might personally steal plenty of ideas, but a) not many want to go home and b) these ideas don't get as far.

    So, yeah, who gains and who loses? Let's see:

    Chinese manufacturing and software business gain A LOT. The Chinese society has gained a lot. Americans who used to go to these grad schools and do these jobs lose. American manufacturing has lost a whole lot (that's not to say that it isn't mostly just due to being GIVEN away). The America-"based" Globalists and greedy Big Biz a-holes who sold off industry, the University administrations and departments, and still those 100's of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers who stay here or become airbag consultants back in China with their IP, they all gain.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot the American retail consumer. You could say he brought it on himself by shopping only based on price back 20 years ago when he had a chance. Not all of us thought that way. That's in the past, as right now, there is no choice but to buy from China for most retail products. That's a loss. Cheap China-made crap sucks.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @YetAnotherAnon

    Industrial foundation isn’t the fancy stuff, its the basics– coal, steel, electricity. PRC got its kick-start with Soviets, and roll the snowball till today that it has like half of the world’s capacity. Then that led to the shiny cities.

    India will never get there, not just because of HBD and organization ability, but because it never took a side in the Cold War.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

    Whereas PRC resolutely sided with Communist bloc against Capitalists, then switched sides. So it received goodies from both sides.

    You can call that double-dealing, but it also in the cost of circa half a million combat deaths as Soviet cannon fodder in the Korean War.

    Japanese goods are anything but crap. I guess you missed my point though

    My point is that US runs both debt and trade deficit towards all export economies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States

    Who is going to be churning out goods to soak up the money supply and backstop dollar from going the way of Weimar Papiermark? It’s going be cheap crap from China.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot the American retail consumer.

    Yes but you also have sportsball and golf course architecture. That stuff doesn’t come cheap, you need the strong dollar that backs cheap Mexican labor and Chinese trinkets.

    I would wager that 90% of NBA NFL MLB NHL equipment merchandise is Made in China.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Advice for foreigners who want to settle and live in Japan. Learn some Japanese, but don’t try to be perfect. It’ll never be enough to their eyes, and you’ll never be Japanese even if you change your passport. They’ll like you for trying, but they won’t like you anymore if you speak as well as them.

    Once you speak perfect Japanese you enter an eerie zone that will disgust them, anger them. Make you look like someone who racially shouldn’t be that fluent but is, and that makes you an anomaly. And anomalies aren’t accepted in Japan. They’ll start saying things like “xxx is more Japanese than a Japanese” and it ain’t praise, it’s a passive aggressive comment.

    Being a foreigner still has an edge, you’re “different”. Once you cross the perfect Japanese threshold you lose it. My Japanese friends tell me that people like Dogen make them cringe and feel revolted because of his excellent Japanese and ask me to never even try speak like him. Seriously.

    I've never met a super fluent foreigner who makes good money. The foreigners in good positions (20 M¥ above) and doing interesting stuff are in general not fully fluent. Speak some but don’t aim to be Japanese.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    First off, nice video! (I like that it didn't have idiotic jarring music too.)


    Industrial foundation isn’t the fancy stuff, its the basics– coal, steel, electricity.
     
    You just don't want to stick to my point, do you? I should have mentioned transportation and manufacturing infrastructure, I suppose, but I was describing industries that use lots of new IP/ideas (as stolen from America, like I wrote).

    No doubt, there's lots of engineering involved in hydro power, but most of this huge increase is due to just putting 1/2 to 1 1/2 billion Chinese people to hard work, building dams, working in the coal mines (much of that hard manual labor till recently), etc.

    I'm not at all sure why you put the US National Debt/GDP graphs up for me. I've been trying to tell iStevers for years how bad out economy is. As for your pictorial, well there you go. Over the last decade the imbalance with China has been ~$350,000,000,000 yearly on average. So, you DO see the problem I'm writing about. Good.

    Yes but you also have sportsball and golf course architecture. That stuff doesn’t come cheap, you need the strong dollar that backs cheap Mexican labor and Chinese trinkets.
     
    ;-}

    Why is the US Dollar still strong? This won't last. The Chinese should be very wary of continuing to peg the Yuan to the Dollar. They do this to keep exports up. However, it is basically the reason whe America's biggest export to China is not timber, hogs, or grain - our biggest export to China is Inflation.
  190. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    No jealousy, but, yeah, you get pissed off knowing "your" government sold everyone out. I don't care about Sam Slater. Time line, people!

    Keep this kind of commenting up, S & D, and I'm gonna drop your Social Credit score into the negatives.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    You can’t have a social credit score as a non-citizen.

    I wish I did, though! Thankfully my daughter does.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    Well, just be careful. I'm surprised your marriage to your Chinese bride didn't lower both hers and your daughter's credit scores by 50%.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  191. Lot of information and more gossip

  192. @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You mean if it were written in Pin Yin Western characters? In that case, it’s not Mandarin at all, though, right? I mean, if they went all the way to that – I’m told there’s way too much meaning that’d be lost – I’d be happy to learn to read/write that.

    Anyway, I am not good at the memorization involved in learning languages. Different words/spelling/grammar is one thing, but learning 3,000 characters with average 10-15 squiggles apiece is … arduous is not a strong enough word.
     
    Yes, if they still didn't use the characters, I would not have had the intellectual interest to formally study the language. If it were written in pinyin or some other alphabet, it would still be Mandarin. A language is independent of its orthography.

    There are patterns to the characters that aid recognition. Each character has a "radical" element which suggests meaning. There are roughly 200 radicals that become easy to recognize because they were originally pictographs that are easy to see and remember. Typically, besides the radical element, the other element in a character is phonetic - though not purely like an alphabetic letter. The vast majority of characters are "phono-semantic compounds" i.e. they have 2 elements - one radical semantic element suggesting meaning, and another suggesting sound. So most of the characters are generated by combinations of a smaller set of these phonetic and semantic elements that become easily identifiable.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Back when I studied Japanese, I didn’t find the kanji hard to learn at all. I had a very good teacher who lectured us on both the visual and conceptual etymology of each character/radical as he introduced them. It’s a marvelous language, and sufficiently different from Western languages that it provides a wealth of insights into the varieties of the origins of language, viz philosophy of language, which is vital for any serious writer. Similar to the way you grow up speaking English, and then when you begin to study Latin, you suddenly realize you’ve been talking your entire life without the faintest whiff of any serious grammar. While I was studying Latin, I used to dream in Latin, and my dreams were much clearer as a result.

    The only problem with studying kanji/Chinese characters is that it’s time-consuming, and maybe not the best way to spend your time, if you have better more serious more urgent things to do. And my problem was, I simply had lots of better things to do.

  193. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXs2UkV2ReTy5RG8mLftr6Z_ehpIy6V1KETA&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon

    ” a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates”

    Which also has key positions in lots of hi-tech stuff like carbon fibre, stepper motors and ultra-pure silicon. And they do a lot of stuff that seems old-school like shipbuilding.

    Dutch companies are the world leaders in lithography steppers and scanners, which produce and refract the light that passes through a photomask (a transparent plate that contains the desired circuit pattern) to transfer that pattern to the silicon wafer. Japanese companies are the other major producers of steppers and scanners. In 2019, the two countries combined enjoyed more than 99 percent worldwide market share. Japan is also dominant in resist processing tools and electron beam lithography tools, which are critical for producing photomasks. Beyond lithography, there are other categories of semiconductor manufacturing equipment where Dutch and Japanese companies are also dominant—Japan in silicon wafer crystal machining equipment, for example—and Japan also excels in the production of the ultra-precise materials and ultra-pure chemicals that are used for semiconductor manufacturing.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/clues-us-dutch-japanese-semiconductor-export-controls-deal-are-hiding-plain-sight

  194. @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    1. Pay full undergrad tuition (partly because their parents saved the dollars from US trade deficit), which help fund the universities’ bloated fill-in-the-blank studies program

    2. When they are STEM PhD, essentially work as coolie labor

    3. Are actively recruited by grifter administrators and “advisors”

     
    All 3 points are true and very good ones! I haven't said otherwise.

    Americans used to do the same teaching (without the heavy accent even, which is nice... for an American student paying his own tuition money, as we used to...) and the same research. I was there, dude. They've been priced out by this, well "coolie labor" is good, but I'd call it indentured servitude, as have plenty - maybe almost as many - - •Indians.

    It's just that the Indian government is not nearly as organized and relatively unified compared to the CCP. So, they might personally steal plenty of ideas, but a) not many want to go home and b) these ideas don't get as far.

    So, yeah, who gains and who loses? Let's see:

    Chinese manufacturing and software business gain A LOT. The Chinese society has gained a lot. Americans who used to go to these grad schools and do these jobs lose. American manufacturing has lost a whole lot (that's not to say that it isn't mostly just due to being GIVEN away). The America-"based" Globalists and greedy Big Biz a-holes who sold off industry, the University administrations and departments, and still those 100's of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers who stay here or become airbag consultants back in China with their IP, they all gain.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot the American retail consumer. You could say he brought it on himself by shopping only based on price back 20 years ago when he had a chance. Not all of us thought that way. That's in the past, as right now, there is no choice but to buy from China for most retail products. That's a loss. Cheap China-made crap sucks.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @YetAnotherAnon

    ” Cheap China-made crap sucks.”

    Indeed – I haunt car boot sales for UK or US tools made of decent steel that will last indefinitely.

    But … I’m old enough to remember (late 50s early 60s) when cheap Japan-made crap sucked.Within 15 years Japanese electronics, motorbikes and cars were everywhere.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yes, YAA, I can barely remember when the Japanese toys at least were kind of crappy. The difference is, unfortunately, that Chinese products - at least those shipped to America - are getting WORSE!

    I used to buy decent shirts at Wal-Mart back in ~ '00. They were made in China and would last. Lots of stuff has always been cheap junk.

    My theory is that Corporate America was already bringing bottom lines up during the late '90s and early '00s, due just to the savings using ubiquitous, never-ending Chinese labor. As the lines started leveling, they would specify junkier stuff to keep profits rising. However, there's a deep-seated China-side component too - to get a real feel for it, you may want to consider reading the book I linked to above.

    I say this as someone who's been to China either 11 or 12 times. I've seen a lot of what goes on there - but talking to Chinese people I can trust helps a lot more.

  195. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I'm a currently unemployable white man.
    I hope I don't need any medical care soon.

    That said, I think you are confusing two totally different issues.
    (Liberia is a very odd case....)
    The United States is a country grounded in the history of Western Civilization (as are some other countries).
    ANYONE who comes to the US (regardless of their race) should be required to basically "buy in" to that.
    Candidates of different racial/ethnic backgrounds won't necessarily meet that standard in the same proportions, and that's fine.
    BUT.... trying to forcibly export "Western" norms is a proven failure in recent times, for multiple reasons.
    (Admittedly, part of the problem is that the "Western elites" trying that have a warped grasp of Western civilization... but yeah there are other problems too...)

    Liberia is a totally different case.
    When slaves were freed, it made sense to many to support their return to Africa.
    Decent people figured to set them up with the best Western norms.
    Did this work?
    The answer is complicated.
    The Americo-Liberians ended up lording it over the locals for most of the history of Liberia.
    So actfually, it DID sort of work for THEM.
    In the "Africa liberation" phase of recent history, shit broke down and the local tribes rebelled and Liberia became a hellhole for some time.
    Does this mean the whole Liberia project was misguided?
    Maybe the problem was that American elites lost interest in Liberia and found it an emberassing relic of history?

    Actually I was going to finish this post with a different angle... but now I am really intrigued.
    What if US elites had not given up on Liberia?
    Would it be a totally kickass Wakanda/Rwanda?
    Dunno.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    What if US elites had not given up on Liberia?
    Would it be a totally kickass Wakanda/Rwanda?
    Dunno.

    I think you know the answer. I think everyone does. Western elites, from Europe itself, spent centuries trying to make Latin America into Europe. They failed. The better areas down there tend to be … more White.

    Can we stop running this experiment over and over hoping for a different result?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Actually, it's complicated.
    Argentina was a very wealthy country for some time.
    (But the fact that it is more white didn''t stop it from sliding into 3rd word miasma.)
    El Salvador is starting to look very good right now.
    Of course, the key to El Salvador right now is ENFORCE THE FRIGGIN LAW!
    People bitch about inherent racial differences and ignore the fact that in the US right now, the law is applied differentially based on race.
    White Good Samaritans are charged with felonies while black child killers can get off entirely.

  196. @Wokechoke
    @YetAnotherAnon

    ptitsa at 1:37, viddy well.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    When the Clockwork Orange film/movie came out in 1972 , I saw at a game a gang of Leicester City soccer supporters in droog outfits, hats and all. A few weeks after that I read a news report of a gang rape carried out in Leicester by people in droog/malchick gear.

    “Monkey see, monkey do”

    Never saw a trial report, but it surely wouldn’t have been hard to find the perps.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Burgess was, without perhaps understanding it writing about Football Hooliganism.

  197. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Industrial foundation isn't the fancy stuff, its the basics-- coal, steel, electricity. PRC got its kick-start with Soviets, and roll the snowball till today that it has like half of the world's capacity. Then that led to the shiny cities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKgKKrRD0kM

    India will never get there, not just because of HBD and organization ability, but because it never took a side in the Cold War.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Non-Aligned_Movement_by_Date_Joined.svg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

    Whereas PRC resolutely sided with Communist bloc against Capitalists, then switched sides. So it received goodies from both sides.

    You can call that double-dealing, but it also in the cost of circa half a million combat deaths as Soviet cannon fodder in the Korean War.


    Japanese goods are anything but crap. I guess you missed my point though
     
    My point is that US runs both debt and trade deficit towards all export economies.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/USDebt.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/U.S._trade_deficit_in_2017.jpg

    Who is going to be churning out goods to soak up the money supply and backstop dollar from going the way of Weimar Papiermark? It’s going be cheap crap from China.


    Oh, yeah, I forgot the American retail consumer.
     
    Yes but you also have sportsball and golf course architecture. That stuff doesn't come cheap, you need the strong dollar that backs cheap Mexican labor and Chinese trinkets.

    I would wager that 90% of NBA NFL MLB NHL equipment merchandise is Made in China.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman

    Advice for foreigners who want to settle and live in Japan. Learn some Japanese, but don’t try to be perfect. It’ll never be enough to their eyes, and you’ll never be Japanese even if you change your passport. They’ll like you for trying, but they won’t like you anymore if you speak as well as them.

    Once you speak perfect Japanese you enter an eerie zone that will disgust them, anger them. Make you look like someone who racially shouldn’t be that fluent but is, and that makes you an anomaly. And anomalies aren’t accepted in Japan. They’ll start saying things like “xxx is more Japanese than a Japanese” and it ain’t praise, it’s a passive aggressive comment.

    Being a foreigner still has an edge, you’re “different”. Once you cross the perfect Japanese threshold you lose it. My Japanese friends tell me that people like Dogen make them cringe and feel revolted because of his excellent Japanese and ask me to never even try speak like him. Seriously.

    I’ve never met a super fluent foreigner who makes good money. The foreigners in good positions (20 M¥ above) and doing interesting stuff are in general not fully fluent. Speak some but don’t aim to be Japanese.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    The foreigners in good positions (20 M¥ above) and doing interesting stuff are in general not fully fluent
     
    That's most assuredly not a problem for me and never CAN be! Your advice was very interesting though. I'd never heard of or thought about that.

    I'll tell you what, though: If you are a White person what at least understands Mandarin Chinese very well, you can learn a lot! Whether in America or in China, the Chinese people just do not expect you to know it much at all.

    Or, you can have a friend like Frank Castanza:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlthy0hSvGw

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    That's the Anglo advantage, they always claim to represent all "gaijin", never mind that the most common type of gaijin in Japan is Chinese.

    "I'm an expert on all-things Japan, you can never be as immersed in Japanese culture as I am, therefore follow my Japanese stock tips trust me bro"

    Why don't you listen to these two stunning Slavic girls talk about their lives in Japan, they seem to have assimilated fine, they even adopted Japanese female mannerisms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcUjwGOw9lg&t=359s

    These two Russian beauties talk about what kind of Chinese guys they like

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bXr2dNG6A

    She's the only Russian vlogger I know that's fluent in Chinese. Definitely not that Anatoly Karlin who claims to be an expert on Chinese military

    https://akarlin.com/chinas-military-power/

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  198. @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You can’t have a social credit score as a non-citizen.

    I wish I did, though! Thankfully my daughter does.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, just be careful. I’m surprised your marriage to your Chinese bride didn’t lower both hers and your daughter’s credit scores by 50%.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why would it do that? I’m not Jewish or a boomer.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  199. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Industrial foundation isn't the fancy stuff, its the basics-- coal, steel, electricity. PRC got its kick-start with Soviets, and roll the snowball till today that it has like half of the world's capacity. Then that led to the shiny cities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKgKKrRD0kM

    India will never get there, not just because of HBD and organization ability, but because it never took a side in the Cold War.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Non-Aligned_Movement_by_Date_Joined.svg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

    Whereas PRC resolutely sided with Communist bloc against Capitalists, then switched sides. So it received goodies from both sides.

    You can call that double-dealing, but it also in the cost of circa half a million combat deaths as Soviet cannon fodder in the Korean War.


    Japanese goods are anything but crap. I guess you missed my point though
     
    My point is that US runs both debt and trade deficit towards all export economies.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/USDebt.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/U.S._trade_deficit_in_2017.jpg

    Who is going to be churning out goods to soak up the money supply and backstop dollar from going the way of Weimar Papiermark? It’s going be cheap crap from China.


    Oh, yeah, I forgot the American retail consumer.
     
    Yes but you also have sportsball and golf course architecture. That stuff doesn't come cheap, you need the strong dollar that backs cheap Mexican labor and Chinese trinkets.

    I would wager that 90% of NBA NFL MLB NHL equipment merchandise is Made in China.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman

    First off, nice video! (I like that it didn’t have idiotic jarring music too.)

    Industrial foundation isn’t the fancy stuff, its the basics– coal, steel, electricity.

    You just don’t want to stick to my point, do you? I should have mentioned transportation and manufacturing infrastructure, I suppose, but I was describing industries that use lots of new IP/ideas (as stolen from America, like I wrote).

    No doubt, there’s lots of engineering involved in hydro power, but most of this huge increase is due to just putting 1/2 to 1 1/2 billion Chinese people to hard work, building dams, working in the coal mines (much of that hard manual labor till recently), etc.

    I’m not at all sure why you put the US National Debt/GDP graphs up for me. I’ve been trying to tell iStevers for years how bad out economy is. As for your pictorial, well there you go. Over the last decade the imbalance with China has been ~$350,000,000,000 yearly on average. So, you DO see the problem I’m writing about. Good.

    Yes but you also have sportsball and golf course architecture. That stuff doesn’t come cheap, you need the strong dollar that backs cheap Mexican labor and Chinese trinkets.

    ;-}

    Why is the US Dollar still strong? This won’t last. The Chinese should be very wary of continuing to peg the Yuan to the Dollar. They do this to keep exports up. However, it is basically the reason whe America’s biggest export to China is not timber, hogs, or grain – our biggest export to China is Inflation.

  200. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Advice for foreigners who want to settle and live in Japan. Learn some Japanese, but don’t try to be perfect. It’ll never be enough to their eyes, and you’ll never be Japanese even if you change your passport. They’ll like you for trying, but they won’t like you anymore if you speak as well as them.

    Once you speak perfect Japanese you enter an eerie zone that will disgust them, anger them. Make you look like someone who racially shouldn’t be that fluent but is, and that makes you an anomaly. And anomalies aren’t accepted in Japan. They’ll start saying things like “xxx is more Japanese than a Japanese” and it ain’t praise, it’s a passive aggressive comment.

    Being a foreigner still has an edge, you’re “different”. Once you cross the perfect Japanese threshold you lose it. My Japanese friends tell me that people like Dogen make them cringe and feel revolted because of his excellent Japanese and ask me to never even try speak like him. Seriously.

    I've never met a super fluent foreigner who makes good money. The foreigners in good positions (20 M¥ above) and doing interesting stuff are in general not fully fluent. Speak some but don’t aim to be Japanese.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The foreigners in good positions (20 M¥ above) and doing interesting stuff are in general not fully fluent

    That’s most assuredly not a problem for me and never CAN be! Your advice was very interesting though. I’d never heard of or thought about that.

    I’ll tell you what, though: If you are a White person what at least understands Mandarin Chinese very well, you can learn a lot! Whether in America or in China, the Chinese people just do not expect you to know it much at all.

    Or, you can have a friend like Frank Castanza:

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The best Vietnamese nail salon bit ever. Had my wife crying in pain from too much laughter:

    https://youtu.be/IG1myqu4CbA?si=q7fMyFx8H92QxluR

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  201. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    " Cheap China-made crap sucks."

    Indeed - I haunt car boot sales for UK or US tools made of decent steel that will last indefinitely.

    But ... I'm old enough to remember (late 50s early 60s) when cheap Japan-made crap sucked.Within 15 years Japanese electronics, motorbikes and cars were everywhere.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, YAA, I can barely remember when the Japanese toys at least were kind of crappy. The difference is, unfortunately, that Chinese products – at least those shipped to America – are getting WORSE!

    I used to buy decent shirts at Wal-Mart back in ~ ’00. They were made in China and would last. Lots of stuff has always been cheap junk.

    My theory is that Corporate America was already bringing bottom lines up during the late ’90s and early ’00s, due just to the savings using ubiquitous, never-ending Chinese labor. As the lines started leveling, they would specify junkier stuff to keep profits rising. However, there’s a deep-seated China-side component too – to get a real feel for it, you may want to consider reading the book I linked to above.

    I say this as someone who’s been to China either 11 or 12 times. I’ve seen a lot of what goes on there – but talking to Chinese people I can trust helps a lot more.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  202. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Wokechoke

    When the Clockwork Orange film/movie came out in 1972 , I saw at a game a gang of Leicester City soccer supporters in droog outfits, hats and all. A few weeks after that I read a news report of a gang rape carried out in Leicester by people in droog/malchick gear.

    https://www.ica.art/media/01767.jpg

    "Monkey see, monkey do"

    Never saw a trial report, but it surely wouldn't have been hard to find the perps.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Burgess was, without perhaps understanding it writing about Football Hooliganism.

  203. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Advice for foreigners who want to settle and live in Japan. Learn some Japanese, but don’t try to be perfect. It’ll never be enough to their eyes, and you’ll never be Japanese even if you change your passport. They’ll like you for trying, but they won’t like you anymore if you speak as well as them.

    Once you speak perfect Japanese you enter an eerie zone that will disgust them, anger them. Make you look like someone who racially shouldn’t be that fluent but is, and that makes you an anomaly. And anomalies aren’t accepted in Japan. They’ll start saying things like “xxx is more Japanese than a Japanese” and it ain’t praise, it’s a passive aggressive comment.

    Being a foreigner still has an edge, you’re “different”. Once you cross the perfect Japanese threshold you lose it. My Japanese friends tell me that people like Dogen make them cringe and feel revolted because of his excellent Japanese and ask me to never even try speak like him. Seriously.

    I've never met a super fluent foreigner who makes good money. The foreigners in good positions (20 M¥ above) and doing interesting stuff are in general not fully fluent. Speak some but don’t aim to be Japanese.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    That’s the Anglo advantage, they always claim to represent all “gaijin”, never mind that the most common type of gaijin in Japan is Chinese.

    “I’m an expert on all-things Japan, you can never be as immersed in Japanese culture as I am, therefore follow my Japanese stock tips trust me bro”

    Why don’t you listen to these two stunning Slavic girls talk about their lives in Japan, they seem to have assimilated fine, they even adopted Japanese female mannerisms

    These two Russian beauties talk about what kind of Chinese guys they like

    She’s the only Russian vlogger I know that’s fluent in Chinese. Definitely not that Anatoly Karlin who claims to be an expert on Chinese military

    https://akarlin.com/chinas-military-power/

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Weebs.

    Advice about marrying a Japanese woman and having kids with her as a foreigner. Know that in Japan it’s your responsibility if you want to get married or want to divorce. That’s how the country sees it, so they won’t come to rescue you when things go wrong.

    The Japanese last name will be the official family name, even if you’re the man.

    If you divorce in Japan, children custody will go to mom 99,9% of the time. It’s up to her to let them meet you. Too many fathers never see their kids again. Some see them once a year, consider yourself EXTRA lucky if you see them once a month or more.

    If you want to hire a lawyer and fight there’s a family court where the two lawyers meet to exchange demands, but in the end is 100% up to the two parties, the family court is just there to make sure there’s no violence and the process is respected. They won’t give their opinion, let alone judgement.

    Any assets you had go half and half, independent if you see your kids or not.

    Many women who suspect cheating or fault will hire private detectives, it’s a large industry in the country. They will take photos of you, get access to your mail etc to get proof.

    If you married abroad your Japanese wife can bring the kids to Japan and you won’t be able to find them or see them if she doesn’t want you to.

    Japan has not signed convention to prevent international parental kidnapping.

    You think you’re protected by a prenup you signed abroad? Think again, it has zero validity in Japan.

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Are we in agreement?


    https://twitter.com/LeviLeverage/status/1706852963765858543

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    VP Dan Quayle was in Japan during the Rodney King riots. The Japanese politely asked him if diversity was a weakness of the US. Quayle triumphantly responded "Diversity is our strength."

    And here we are.

  204. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    That's the Anglo advantage, they always claim to represent all "gaijin", never mind that the most common type of gaijin in Japan is Chinese.

    "I'm an expert on all-things Japan, you can never be as immersed in Japanese culture as I am, therefore follow my Japanese stock tips trust me bro"

    Why don't you listen to these two stunning Slavic girls talk about their lives in Japan, they seem to have assimilated fine, they even adopted Japanese female mannerisms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcUjwGOw9lg&t=359s

    These two Russian beauties talk about what kind of Chinese guys they like

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bXr2dNG6A

    She's the only Russian vlogger I know that's fluent in Chinese. Definitely not that Anatoly Karlin who claims to be an expert on Chinese military

    https://akarlin.com/chinas-military-power/

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Weebs.

    Advice about marrying a Japanese woman and having kids with her as a foreigner. Know that in Japan it’s your responsibility if you want to get married or want to divorce. That’s how the country sees it, so they won’t come to rescue you when things go wrong.

    The Japanese last name will be the official family name, even if you’re the man.

    If you divorce in Japan, children custody will go to mom 99,9% of the time. It’s up to her to let them meet you. Too many fathers never see their kids again. Some see them once a year, consider yourself EXTRA lucky if you see them once a month or more.

    If you want to hire a lawyer and fight there’s a family court where the two lawyers meet to exchange demands, but in the end is 100% up to the two parties, the family court is just there to make sure there’s no violence and the process is respected. They won’t give their opinion, let alone judgement.

    Any assets you had go half and half, independent if you see your kids or not.

    Many women who suspect cheating or fault will hire private detectives, it’s a large industry in the country. They will take photos of you, get access to your mail etc to get proof.

    If you married abroad your Japanese wife can bring the kids to Japan and you won’t be able to find them or see them if she doesn’t want you to.

    Japan has not signed convention to prevent international parental kidnapping.

    You think you’re protected by a prenup you signed abroad? Think again, it has zero validity in Japan.

  205. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    That's the Anglo advantage, they always claim to represent all "gaijin", never mind that the most common type of gaijin in Japan is Chinese.

    "I'm an expert on all-things Japan, you can never be as immersed in Japanese culture as I am, therefore follow my Japanese stock tips trust me bro"

    Why don't you listen to these two stunning Slavic girls talk about their lives in Japan, they seem to have assimilated fine, they even adopted Japanese female mannerisms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcUjwGOw9lg&t=359s

    These two Russian beauties talk about what kind of Chinese guys they like

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bXr2dNG6A

    She's the only Russian vlogger I know that's fluent in Chinese. Definitely not that Anatoly Karlin who claims to be an expert on Chinese military

    https://akarlin.com/chinas-military-power/

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Are we in agreement?

  206. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    That's the Anglo advantage, they always claim to represent all "gaijin", never mind that the most common type of gaijin in Japan is Chinese.

    "I'm an expert on all-things Japan, you can never be as immersed in Japanese culture as I am, therefore follow my Japanese stock tips trust me bro"

    Why don't you listen to these two stunning Slavic girls talk about their lives in Japan, they seem to have assimilated fine, they even adopted Japanese female mannerisms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcUjwGOw9lg&t=359s

    These two Russian beauties talk about what kind of Chinese guys they like

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bXr2dNG6A

    She's the only Russian vlogger I know that's fluent in Chinese. Definitely not that Anatoly Karlin who claims to be an expert on Chinese military

    https://akarlin.com/chinas-military-power/

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    VP Dan Quayle was in Japan during the Rodney King riots. The Japanese politely asked him if diversity was a weakness of the US. Quayle triumphantly responded “Diversity is our strength.”

    And here we are.

  207. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie


    Then it’s Twinkie strikes again!
     
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLWFvzFiyuvZAG5aqLVmoE9FGi_Q3tHsFEZQ&usqp.jpg


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8DkuZK106ZSQeh_-aDtXgT8KNPvmSk3Af3g&usqp.jpg


    Thanks for the Two Million words here at Unz, I've read every one of them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Thanks for the Two Million words here at Unz, I’ve read every one of them.

    That’s the scariest thing I’ve ever read on Unz.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie

    This guy really is you, just listen to him talk. He will be teaching his neighbours how to block of their street with their vehicles next!

    Cauliflower ears.


    https://twitter.com/activeasian/status/1722372425789345849

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Joe Stalin

  208. @SFG
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, there's been a civilization around the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers for something like 4000 years, though if I remember my history right it was Shih Huang Ti who stuck the whole thing together for the first time. Remove it and I have no clue what happens--my first thought is Islam becomes more powerful without an eastern border to expansion and eventually wins against the West, but who knows.

    Even travelling back in time and killing Confucius would likely render the world unrecognizable.

    I think there's a fascination among moderately-chauvinistic Westerners such as myself in that the East Asian cultural sphere is very clearly quite different, yet not inferior--I don't know whether the Forbidden City's more impressive than the Colosseum, but there's nothing like either one in Africa. Even in their 19th-century senescence, they impressed the Brits enough for them to steal the standardized test. The characters seem like some impossible language capable of its own shades of meaning and multiplicity of opportunities for wordplay (remember the guy who wrote a poem using only one syllable?) There are thousands of books full of stories, true and false, you will never learn to read. Even in the modern era the smaller East Asian countries shaped up pretty quick once they realized they had to, and China's getting there, they just have the problem of being way too big.

    If there's a Western Civ, there must be a non-Western Civ, and the obvious contrast to west is east.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie

    Yeah, there’s been a civilization around the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers for something like 4000 years

    Of the four ancient river valley civilizations, the one along the Yellow River has been the only (arguably) continuous one. Pretty mind-boggling if you think about it.

    Ancient Mesopotamians? Gone.
    Ancient Egyptians? Gone (sort of, maybe Copts count?).
    Ancient Indus Valley Civilization builders? Gone.
    Ancient Chinese? Still here.

  209. @Bardon Kaldian
    Say what you want, but Hamas crisis actor has become a meme ...

    https://i.postimg.cc/kGn45h3K/crisisact.png

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Twinkie

    I’m gonna cry if the “Hamas crisis actors” turns out to be… a Jew.

  210. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    The foreigners in good positions (20 M¥ above) and doing interesting stuff are in general not fully fluent
     
    That's most assuredly not a problem for me and never CAN be! Your advice was very interesting though. I'd never heard of or thought about that.

    I'll tell you what, though: If you are a White person what at least understands Mandarin Chinese very well, you can learn a lot! Whether in America or in China, the Chinese people just do not expect you to know it much at all.

    Or, you can have a friend like Frank Castanza:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlthy0hSvGw

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The best Vietnamese nail salon bit ever. Had my wife crying in pain from too much laughter:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Twinkie

    Thanks. I found her bit only reasonably funny, but not LOL, Twinkie. (Maybe, because I've never been in a nail salon?) However, she does a bang-up job imitating a Vietnamese accent, that for sure!

  211. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Anonymous


    What if US elites had not given up on Liberia?
    Would it be a totally kickass Wakanda/Rwanda?
    Dunno.
     
    I think you know the answer. I think everyone does. Western elites, from Europe itself, spent centuries trying to make Latin America into Europe. They failed. The better areas down there tend to be ... more White.

    Can we stop running this experiment over and over hoping for a different result?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Actually, it’s complicated.
    Argentina was a very wealthy country for some time.
    (But the fact that it is more white didn”t stop it from sliding into 3rd word miasma.)
    El Salvador is starting to look very good right now.
    Of course, the key to El Salvador right now is ENFORCE THE FRIGGIN LAW!
    People bitch about inherent racial differences and ignore the fact that in the US right now, the law is applied differentially based on race.
    White Good Samaritans are charged with felonies while black child killers can get off entirely.

  212. @Twinkie
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    Thanks for the Two Million words here at Unz, I’ve read every one of them.
     
    That's the scariest thing I've ever read on Unz.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    This guy really is you, just listen to him talk. He will be teaching his neighbours how to block of their street with their vehicles next!

    Cauliflower ears.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Again, good for him! Maybe he has been reading me here. ;)

    He should move out of San Francisco though.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    He will be teaching his neighbours how to block of their street with their vehicles next!
     
    Not if the Israelis have anything to say about it!

    twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1724657079334449514

    Replies: @Twinkie

  213. @Achmed E. Newman
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I like reading your comments regarding Oriental history, but you're highly full of shit in this comment.

    What? The Soviets helped? Almost all of the massive infrastructure work has been long after the USSR had been defeated, I'd say 95% of it has been built within the past 15 - 20 years. Sure, Chairman Deng opening things up economically in the early 1980s, but that was about free(er) markets. So, that was some bunk there.

    Next, you say:


    Stealing is a strong charge.
     
    No, it's pretty freaking accurate. 10's or 100s of thousands of Chinese grad students/researchers at universities and national labs have had access to proprietary information for 30 years, due to the stupidity of the US Feral Gov't. In industry, there is no compunction for Chinese people to honor any kind of ND agreements and such. My personal story is about airbags: Chinese grad students and airbag espionage.

    You should read the book Poorly Made in China to learn how things have been going in the technology transfer from America to China. It's about over with - they can do fine on their own now.

    Now, that whataboutism you excerpt is not from the time period I'm talking about. The 1700s into the 1800s are outside the subject matter here and do not address my point.

    No, America is not a benefactor of China, unless you mean Globalist elites and other greedy bastards within the Potomac Regime over the last 30 years. Yes, "we" owe a shit-tonne of money to China. That's due to the continuous purchasing of Cheap China-made Crap, with about no other choice at this point.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @YetAnotherAnon

    Thank you for the fascinating links – it’s interesting in that it implies that China isn’t inevitably the wave of the future, although imho with a billion 105-IQ people that’s the way to bet.

    But I wonder if the seemingly inbuilt propensity to cheat/skim/cut corners would apply to say the Chengdu Aerospace Corporation facilities or similar companies seen by the Chinese leadership as strategically vital (like electric car manufacturing). After all, China pretty much unpersoned the Alibaba guy just for not having the correct views.

    Do Apple Corp get stiffed on iPad quality, or are Taiwanese Foxconn execs au fait with the various ruses?

    I may be wrong, but I could see people attempting to stiff the J-20 fighter manufacturers being exhibited in cages as enemies of the people – which they objectively would be. This could imply the worst of both future worlds – Chinese military/strategic dominance plus Chinese commercial rapaciousness – which I guess is what the Central American Republics have had to put up with, and perhaps Raj India too in its day*.

    * and of course de Beers customers since forever, and de Beers don’t even have their own Armed Forces.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I'm very glad you liked the posts I linked to, YAA. BTW, I just now got what this "car boot sale" thing was!

    Yeah, I bought two old Nyrobi power tools at an estate sale that were made in the 1990's, because they were American made. I have a gas water heater that was installed in 1988 - replaced the anode rod twice and flushed it - still going strong, while my friend's one in his 7 y/o house busted in the freaking attic, not an easy place to install another one. It just ripped apart on the side. It ruined a bit of ceiling.. but then is that the actual plan of the Chinese?

    Maybe it's about more than saving money and being assholes to deal with. It sounds pretty conspiratorial, but is this one BIG PLAN to screw up American DIY's lives, so nobody fixes anything anymore? (Since you liked the Peak Stupidity posts, why not? This one's supposed to be funny - Brilliant plan by Chinese Communist Party Cadres pans out well.)

    Anyway, to answer your comment here, I agree. I doubt that these corners are cut, on purpose, at least, in the Chinese aerospace or or electric vehicle industries. As I and the author of the book Poorly Made in China pointed out, the good stuff is for domestic consumption (that applies more for retail goods, I'd say).

    As for China and the World, there ain't enough popcorn on the store shelves for the situation in Africa. I say, let them give it a jolly good show.

    Finally, wrt DeBeers, diamonds have been a freaking scam for a century. There's a great on-line book by one Edward Jay Epstein, probably no kin to that suicidal one (ha!), about the whole business. If you are interested, I'll find it for you.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  214. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    Well, just be careful. I'm surprised your marriage to your Chinese bride didn't lower both hers and your daughter's credit scores by 50%.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    Why would it do that? I’m not Jewish or a boomer.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    Unemployed White Ghost spouse? That's like a grandmaster losing to a 1500 rated player. Expect a big drop.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  215. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie

    This guy really is you, just listen to him talk. He will be teaching his neighbours how to block of their street with their vehicles next!

    Cauliflower ears.


    https://twitter.com/activeasian/status/1722372425789345849

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Joe Stalin

    Again, good for him! Maybe he has been reading me here. 😉

    He should move out of San Francisco though.

  216. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Twinkie

    This guy really is you, just listen to him talk. He will be teaching his neighbours how to block of their street with their vehicles next!

    Cauliflower ears.


    https://twitter.com/activeasian/status/1722372425789345849

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Joe Stalin

    He will be teaching his neighbours how to block of their street with their vehicles next!

    Not if the Israelis have anything to say about it!

    twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1724657079334449514

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin

    I would never teach anyone that passive barriers alone - no matter how rugged - are enough. ;)

  217. @Joe Stalin
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    He will be teaching his neighbours how to block of their street with their vehicles next!
     
    Not if the Israelis have anything to say about it!

    twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1724657079334449514

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I would never teach anyone that passive barriers alone – no matter how rugged – are enough. 😉

  218. @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The best Vietnamese nail salon bit ever. Had my wife crying in pain from too much laughter:

    https://youtu.be/IG1myqu4CbA?si=q7fMyFx8H92QxluR

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks. I found her bit only reasonably funny, but not LOL, Twinkie. (Maybe, because I’ve never been in a nail salon?) However, she does a bang-up job imitating a Vietnamese accent, that for sure!

  219. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you for the fascinating links - it's interesting in that it implies that China isn't inevitably the wave of the future, although imho with a billion 105-IQ people that's the way to bet.

    But I wonder if the seemingly inbuilt propensity to cheat/skim/cut corners would apply to say the Chengdu Aerospace Corporation facilities or similar companies seen by the Chinese leadership as strategically vital (like electric car manufacturing). After all, China pretty much unpersoned the Alibaba guy just for not having the correct views.

    Do Apple Corp get stiffed on iPad quality, or are Taiwanese Foxconn execs au fait with the various ruses?

    I may be wrong, but I could see people attempting to stiff the J-20 fighter manufacturers being exhibited in cages as enemies of the people - which they objectively would be. This could imply the worst of both future worlds - Chinese military/strategic dominance plus Chinese commercial rapaciousness - which I guess is what the Central American Republics have had to put up with, and perhaps Raj India too in its day*.

    * and of course de Beers customers since forever, and de Beers don't even have their own Armed Forces.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m very glad you liked the posts I linked to, YAA. BTW, I just now got what this “car boot sale” thing was!

    Yeah, I bought two old Nyrobi power tools at an estate sale that were made in the 1990’s, because they were American made. I have a gas water heater that was installed in 1988 – replaced the anode rod twice and flushed it – still going strong, while my friend’s one in his 7 y/o house busted in the freaking attic, not an easy place to install another one. It just ripped apart on the side. It ruined a bit of ceiling.. but then is that the actual plan of the Chinese?

    Maybe it’s about more than saving money and being assholes to deal with. It sounds pretty conspiratorial, but is this one BIG PLAN to screw up American DIY’s lives, so nobody fixes anything anymore? (Since you liked the Peak Stupidity posts, why not? This one’s supposed to be funny – Brilliant plan by Chinese Communist Party Cadres pans out well.)

    Anyway, to answer your comment here, I agree. I doubt that these corners are cut, on purpose, at least, in the Chinese aerospace or or electric vehicle industries. As I and the author of the book Poorly Made in China pointed out, the good stuff is for domestic consumption (that applies more for retail goods, I’d say).

    As for China and the World, there ain’t enough popcorn on the store shelves for the situation in Africa. I say, let them give it a jolly good show.

    Finally, wrt DeBeers, diamonds have been a freaking scam for a century. There’s a great on-line book by one Edward Jay Epstein, probably no kin to that suicidal one (ha!), about the whole business. If you are interested, I’ll find it for you.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, I have the Epstein book.

    If you're interested, there's quite a bit about de Beers and the diamond cartel in Kevin Krajick's book, "Barren Lands: An Epic Search for Diamonds in the North American Arctic", the story of Chuck Fipke and Stu Blusson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Fipke


    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22322947-barren-lands

  220. @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why would it do that? I’m not Jewish or a boomer.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Unemployed White Ghost spouse? That’s like a grandmaster losing to a 1500 rated player. Expect a big drop.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Magyars are included in the Song Dynasty tributary rolls. That’s my ethnicity. The Chinese perceive all of the medieval migratory groups as central “Xiognu” — hardly European.

    I also have a lovely sinecure thanks to my father-in-law. I’ve never been so free to diss whites and Jews as I have been in academia here.

  221. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    Unemployed White Ghost spouse? That's like a grandmaster losing to a 1500 rated player. Expect a big drop.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    Magyars are included in the Song Dynasty tributary rolls. That’s my ethnicity. The Chinese perceive all of the medieval migratory groups as central “Xiognu” — hardly European.

    I also have a lovely sinecure thanks to my father-in-law. I’ve never been so free to diss whites and Jews as I have been in academia here.

  222. @Achmed E. Newman
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I'm very glad you liked the posts I linked to, YAA. BTW, I just now got what this "car boot sale" thing was!

    Yeah, I bought two old Nyrobi power tools at an estate sale that were made in the 1990's, because they were American made. I have a gas water heater that was installed in 1988 - replaced the anode rod twice and flushed it - still going strong, while my friend's one in his 7 y/o house busted in the freaking attic, not an easy place to install another one. It just ripped apart on the side. It ruined a bit of ceiling.. but then is that the actual plan of the Chinese?

    Maybe it's about more than saving money and being assholes to deal with. It sounds pretty conspiratorial, but is this one BIG PLAN to screw up American DIY's lives, so nobody fixes anything anymore? (Since you liked the Peak Stupidity posts, why not? This one's supposed to be funny - Brilliant plan by Chinese Communist Party Cadres pans out well.)

    Anyway, to answer your comment here, I agree. I doubt that these corners are cut, on purpose, at least, in the Chinese aerospace or or electric vehicle industries. As I and the author of the book Poorly Made in China pointed out, the good stuff is for domestic consumption (that applies more for retail goods, I'd say).

    As for China and the World, there ain't enough popcorn on the store shelves for the situation in Africa. I say, let them give it a jolly good show.

    Finally, wrt DeBeers, diamonds have been a freaking scam for a century. There's a great on-line book by one Edward Jay Epstein, probably no kin to that suicidal one (ha!), about the whole business. If you are interested, I'll find it for you.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks, I have the Epstein book.

    If you’re interested, there’s quite a bit about de Beers and the diamond cartel in Kevin Krajick’s book, “Barren Lands: An Epic Search for Diamonds in the North American Arctic”, the story of Chuck Fipke and Stu Blusson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Fipke

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22322947-barren-lands

  223. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Achmed E. Newman

    PRC's infrastructure foundation was built under Soviet guidance. The biggest foreign benefactor of Deng's reform was Japan, followed by America.

    Stealing is a strong charge. Technology transfer in exchange for cheaper production capacity is the usual characterization. This is also related to US owing a shit ton of money to China.

    As for industrial espionage:


    Under the Patent Act of 1793, the United States barred foreign inventors from receiving patents at the same time as granting patents to Americans who had pirated technology from other countries. “America thus became, by national policy and legislative act, the world’s premier legal sanctuary for industrial pirates. Any American could bring a foreign innovation to the United States and commercialize the idea, all with total legal immunity.”[20]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_patent_law#Patent_Act_of_1793

    known as the "Father of the American Industrial Revolution", a phrase coined by Andrew Jackson, and the "Father of the American Factory System". In the United Kingdom, he was called "Slater the Traitor"[1] and "Sam the Slate" because he brought British textile technology to the United States, modifying it for American use. He stole the textile factory machinery designs as an apprentice to a pioneer in the British industry before migrating to the U.S. at the age of 21.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

    Economic and industrial espionage has a long history. Father Francois Xavier d'Entrecolles, who visited Jingdezhen, China in 1712 and later used this visit to reveal the manufacturing methods of Chinese porcelain to Europe, is sometimes considered to have conducted an early case of industrial espionage.[16]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Origins

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Achmed E. Newman, @Boomthorkell

    Any country that can steal technology and operate it should. Any country that has the capacity to should execute anyone who tries to steal its technology.

    This is what normal thinking people who can set aside gay concepts like “Elite-driven morality” and replace it with “What is good for my people?” can conclude.

    America’s Jewish and Liberal globalist leadership sacrificed American tech in favor of a global system that would involve China as an important core. This was terrible for America. It was good for China. America taking tech in the past was good for America, while bad for others.

    As an American, it should be stopped at all costs. For the Chinese, they should use this as much as possible.

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