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The Western world has had relatively few national leaders who were unambiguously 100% Jewish in ancestry, upbringing, religion, and ethnic identification. The American presidency, for example, remains remarkably WASP-dominated.
But going back to Queen Victoria’s favorite prime minister, Benjamin Disraeli, who identified strongly as a racial Jew while espousing Anglicanism as his religion, there has been a growth in the number of national leaders who have some claim to being at least a little bit Jewish. Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy is representative of this broad trend: one of Sarkozy’s four grandparents was Jewish (he was raised in that grandfather’s house, and was closest to him).
As time goes by and there are more products of mixed marriages, a larger fraction of national leaders seem to have some Jewish roots. My impression is that in the 21st Century, part Jewish national leaders tend to be found more right-of-center than left-of-center, but I could be wrong about this.
An even fuzzier example than Sarkozy is the new Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull.
From the Israeli newspaper Haaretz tomorrow:
Jewish Australians Welcome New PM, Malcom ‘Moishe’ Turnbull
Turnbull, who deposed Tony Abbott as Australia’s premier on Monday, claimed in 2013 that he may have Jewish roots and has long been a staple at Jewish community functions.
Dan Goldberg Sep 17, 2015 12:02 AM
It was a balmy summer’s night in late February as a throng of Jewish guests gathered at a prestigious yacht club in one of Sydney’s most exclusive harbor-side suburbs. … it was Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull who stole the show.
His off-the-cuff speech was vintage Turnbull: charismatic, witty, and, as always, audience appropriate – in this case, with lashings of Hebrew and Yiddish.
“As you all know it’s a standard blessing when somebody celebrates a birthday … to say ‘Biz hundert un tsvantsik,’ which means for those whose Yiddish is not up to scratch, ‘May you live to 120’,” Turnbull said.
The audience lapped it up. He was holding court inside his own electorate of Wentworth, home to the largest Jewish population in Sydney. And he was speaking just down the road from his $50-million waterside mansion in Point Piper, a stone’s throw from shopping-mall mogul Frank Lowy and a coterie of Sydney Jewry’s A-list, many of whom Turnbull befriended.
“My birthday message to the Jewish News today is ‘Biz zvai hundert un fufzik – so that’s 250 years,” Turnbull quipped, before signing off with some Hebrew: “Kol Hakavod [congratulations] on this great achievement and I look forward to many, many more issues of the Australian Jewish News.”
The following morning the Sydney Morning Herald reported on the function, stating: “The event followed reports than Mr. Turnbull now has sufficient numbers to mount a challenge to Mr Abbott in the Liberal Party room.”
Fast forward seven months. On Monday night Turnbull, who claimed in 2013 that he may have Jewish roots, finally deposed his more conservative rival in a surprise coup. …
Turnbull, 60, was a Rhodes scholar at Oxford before successful stints as a journalist, barrister, merchant banker and tech entrepreneur. He first won his seat for the Liberal Party in 2004, and is a progressive who supports gay marriage and an Australian republic.
His net worth was estimated by Business Review Weekly at $186 million in 2010. Now he has the keys to the prime minister’s residences at Kirribilli House in Sydney and The Lodge in Canberra, which some media outlets have noted may resemble a downgrade in his lavish lifestyle.
His first major task will be to name his ministers. Josh Frydenberg, the sole Jewish MP inside the government, was an Abbott loyalist and, as parliamentary secretary to the PM, had little choice but to back his former boss. But some have speculated he may not be sacrificed when Turnbull declares his new frontbench this weekend.
Ironically, this week’s political drama was played out as most of the nation’s 110,000-plus Jews were celebrating Rosh Hashanah.
“There was a real buzz and an air of excitement,” Central Synagogue’s Rabbi Levi Wolff told Haaretz. “He’s a very, very dear friend and someone who has a huge amount of support from the community. He really does have an understanding and knowledge of Judaism that probably the average congregant doesn’t have.
“In my shul, he’s referred to as Moishe Turnbull.”
But a senior Jewish leader, who declined to be named, told Haaretz: “The rabbi gave him a huge rap in shul, as our very own Jewish PM – it’s bullshit,” he said.
The source, an associate of Turnbull, added: “I don’t think it’s in his interests to play his Jewish roots up. I don’t think it’s a line that should be pushed. He wasn’t brought up Jewish and hasn’t established connections with Jews because of his roots.”
A practicing Catholic, Turnbull claimed in 2013 he may have Jewish roots. “My mother always used to say that her mother’s family was Jewish,” he told the Australian Jewish News.
“There is no doubt that the strong traditions of family and the whole heimishe [homely] atmosphere of the Jewish community, which I’m sure some people don’t like, for me – as someone who is a good friend, but not part of it – I find very admirable.”
Turnbull last visited Israel in 2005, and has long admired Israel’s hi-tech innovation, dubbed Silicon Wadi, conceding that Australia was unlikely to catch up with Israel. “I don’t know that anyone can replicate the secret chicken soup of Israel,” he told the Australian BRW magazine in 2013.
A crucial policy issue for the future of Australia is preventing more Camp of the Saints flashmobs from influxing into the country, as is currently happening in Europe, and was happening under the previous leftwing government. The conservative PM whom Turnbull deposed, Tony Abbott, did a good job of building a humane but highly effective naval blockade to prevent illegal immigrants from coming to Australia by boat.
Australia in recent months has been a light unto the nations.
Nobody, however, seems all that sure what the new PM will do about that. Presumably, it’s not a big priority for him one way or another.
It would be tragic for the citizens of Australia if some cloakroom politics like this over other issues led, in a fit of absentmindedness, to a massive Camp of the Saints.
One reason to worry that Turnbull, a former managing director of Goldman Sachs in Australia, would be inclined to err in the direction of making Merkel’s Boner is because, coming from a fairly Jewish cultural environment in his wealthy home constituency, he’s likely to have been exposed to a lot of unthinking schmaltz about the glories of mass migrations into gentile nations.
That kind of lowbrow ethnocentric sentimentality shouldn’t be a major problem for setting national policy, except … that nobody is supposed to critique and satirize, or even notice, Jewish biases.
So, a lot of important people who haven’t thought hard about immigration policy assume that all this stuff you hear all the time about “your tired, your poor, your huddled masses” really is the Unquestionable Wisdom of the Ages instead of just being a simpleminded, obviously self-interested schtick that deserves eye-rolls and snickers rather than credulous respect.
Here’s a rare example of somebody with enough self-confidence on the ethnic front to make fun of today’s Reigning Schmaltz:
https://occamsrazormag.wordpress.com/2015/09/16/why-roddreher-is-wrong-about-race-and-culture/
‘flashmobs’
Splashmobs
If Turnbull has any Jewish ancestry then he has certainly kept it quiet from Australian goyim. Outside of Jewish circles, it has never come up or even been hinted at (I write as a long-time member of Turnbull’s political party).
As for Australian policy on illegal immigrants: whatever Turnbull’s views on “stopping the boats” might be, it was the single most important issue in getting Abbott elected in 2013, and Turnbull would be reckless in the extreme to attempt to reverse it. I don’t think he’s either brave or stupid enough to try it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monash
Not very vague. And don’t ask for Haig.
Sorry, Steve, but I’m confused. Are you asserting that because of “mixed marriages” it’s just natural probability that Jews are coming to reign over an ever-growing number of Western nations? All a coincidence, is it? Yeah, Occam’s Razor, alright.
Jews tend to avoid things that are highly G-loaded, like military careers, but that lead to nowhere in politics and influence. Compare/contrast Gen Petraeus vs. say, Hillary and iCarly and Ben Carson, Magical Negro version 2.0.
Of course, Angela Merkel has no Jewish ancestry. But plenty feelz.Replies: @Anonymous
Ashkenazi Jews have high IQs and tend to be concentrated in careers like finance, law, politics, etc. Meaning intermarriage not with say, Joe Bob in East Redneck, Texas, but oh say, Hillary and Bill’s sole daughter.
Jews tend to avoid things that are highly G-loaded, like military careers, but that lead to nowhere in politics and influence. Compare/contrast Gen Petraeus vs. say, Hillary and iCarly and Ben Carson, Magical Negro version 2.0.
Of course, Angela Merkel has no Jewish ancestry. But plenty feelz.
It’s *both*. Ethnic nepotism *and* assimilation into the ruling elite (Harvard, etc).
So Australia’s Liberal Party has chosen as prime minister a man who:
1) supports gay marriage
2) supports fighting “climate change”
3) worked for Goldman Sachs
and 4) enjoys kissing the asses of Jews
I’m holding my breath wondering where he’ll stand on securing Australia’s borders.
The Labour Party in the UK just took a downright thrashing. They elected a batshit crazy Leftist nutjob who dressed like trash and refused to sing the national anthem at a memorial honoring war veterans. Whether the left wins or loses, it always doubles down on its ideology, but even when the right wins, our “conservative” leaders find one goddamned reason or another to move to the left.
Not very vague. And don't ask for Haig.Replies: @Richard of Melbourne
Monash is a unique figure in Australian history. A great national figure but not a politician; we remember (and revere) him as one of our greatest generals.
After his military successes in the Great War he was courted by the small Jewish community in Australia and accepted a number of figurehead positions. But his Jewishness loomed small among his many interests and achievements. First and foremost, he was an Australian patriot.
“Sorry, Steve, but I’m confused. Are you asserting that because of “mixed marriages” it’s just natural probability that Jews are coming to reign over an ever-growing number of Western nations? All a coincidence, is it? Yeah, Occam’s Razor, alright.”
If every Jew married a non-Jew, there’d be (all else equal) twice as many descendants with Jewish blood as there would be if Jews were entirely endogamous. In addition, since Jewish IQs tend to be quite high, the non-Jews they are marrying tend to be on the smarter side. The result is that, increasingly, an ever larger share of the smartest members of society will have some Jewish blood. UK PM David Cameron is one-eighth Jewish, iirc.
A) A partially anti-social and completely narcissistic desire to control others
B) The connections to be vetted and hand-picked to make it happen (including fundraising)
The weak excuses I hear from supposedly realistic observers is disheartening. These IQ excuses are just as weak as saying poverty causes black crime. Nevermind that whites, Asians, Hispanics, et al. do not commit crime at those levels even under poorer economic circumstances. There are just some groups that we censor our own brains not to criticize or even notice. How odd that they happen to hold such disproportionate power. Another strange coincidence.Replies: @Wilkey
John Key, third term PM of New Zealand (right of centre), is part Jewish – Austrian born Jewish mother.
Malcolm Fraser, 22nd PM of Oz, also had Jewish ancestry.
As for Turnbull being a “practicing Catholic”, the leader of the Nationals (the Liberals coalition partner) had to get Turnbull to put in writing that “we’ve agreed to maintain the existing policy to refer the same-sex marriage issue to a plebiscite of the people in our next term.”
Perhaps sodomite marriage is now a dogma of the Novus Ordo cult, who knows, but one thing’s for sure Turnbull is no practicing Catholic.
Here’s a summary of Malcolm Turnbull that is doing the rounds on email at the moment.
As an Australian voter the question is would you rather win with Turnbull or lose with Abbott .
I very much approve of Abbott but realise that the man just can't speak in public .
I realise many take the long view and say that things must get worse before they get better .
Remember most of us only live around 80 years .
There are really not that many Jews in Australia (100,000 ish ) -3 in a Parliament of 226- but they do ( naturally ) have a large footprint . It is worth mentioning that Turnbull holds one of the only two Seats where Jewish numbers are significant . Isn't John Key -the NZ PM and a "real" Jew - also a Goldman Sachs alumnus ?
I'd say Turnbull married into a family who are mainly largely cultural Catholics ( like most ?)but who nevertheless take their Catholic identity very seriously . Kevin Rudd moved from Catholicism to his wife's ( active ) Anglicanism and Turnbull has gone the other way .
There are a number of prominent people in his extended family ( Angela Lansbury , George Lansbury , Robert Hughes ) . His mother ended up making her home in US academe .
What I find particularly interesting is that he was raised by his father as a family of two . His father didn't have much money but understood how the world worked so they lived in a cheapish rented flat in an expensive area and Malcolm went to a posh private school ( where- fortunately - he won scholarships ) which certainly contributed to the glittering prizes being more attainable
Is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of iSteve Australian content of late ? Not that I'm complaining
High Jewish IQ’s could maybe explain significant numbers of Jewish physicists and bio-medical researchers. It has nothing whatever to do with being a politician. Being a politician requires that you have
A) A partially anti-social and completely narcissistic desire to control others
B) The connections to be vetted and hand-picked to make it happen (including fundraising)
The weak excuses I hear from supposedly realistic observers is disheartening. These IQ excuses are just as weak as saying poverty causes black crime. Nevermind that whites, Asians, Hispanics, et al. do not commit crime at those levels even under poorer economic circumstances. There are just some groups that we censor our own brains not to criticize or even notice. How odd that they happen to hold such disproportionate power. Another strange coincidence.
To be honest i think you are overthinking this a bit Steve, the connection doesnt go much past this
Turnbull wont last. He impresses the cosmopolitan professionals (who loathed abbott) because he is more in tune with their concerns on gay marriage, climate change and refugees. …but their votes dont swing elections and to be honest they probably still would vote Greens or Labour. Even if he wanted to, Turnbull has little chance of turning these personal beliefs into Liberal Party policy because it would instantly alienate the young families and small business owners in the suburban and exurban fringes whose swinging votes decide elections.
Scott Morrison, the new treasurer, who represents one of these areas and is impressively articulate and communicative to the masses in the style of Howard, is the one to watch.
To give you a local analogy? Turnbull is Westside, Howard was Pasadena and Scott Morrison is Huntington Beach
Hidden Jewish ancestry is common in a lot of Southern Europeans and Latin Americans, among Northern Europeans not so much.
I am Italian and I found out I have 6 percent Ashkenazi ancestry after taking a 123AndMe DNA test. The Mexican Linda Chavez found out she has some Sephardi ancestry after taking a DNA test.
John Key, the New Zealand PM, also has “Jewish” ancestry. The Times of Israel claim him as Jewish. The Times of Israel also state that Key “…is not a practicing Jew…”, which makes it contradictory, I would have thought, to claim him as Jewish.
The Australian Jewish News also claim Key as Jewish even though Key himself says in that article: “I am very respectful of the Jewish faith and, in general, I’m very respectful of religion, but I’m just not actively religious myself,”? Key said last week.”
One thing I’d like the iSteve crowd to clear up is how can one be Jewish if one is not a practicing Jew?
Biden Bernie
Malcolm Turnbull is Australia’s richest ever Prime Minister. Across the Tasman the New Zealand Prime Minister John Key is the wealthiest New Zealand Member of Parliament.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key
The Australian Jewish News also claim Key as Jewish even though Key himself says in that article: "I am very respectful of the Jewish faith and, in general, I'm very respectful of religion, but I'm just not actively religious myself,"? Key said last week."
One thing I'd like the iSteve crowd to clear up is how can one be Jewish if one is not a practicing Jew?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @H2
“One thing I’d like the iSteve crowd to clear up is how can one be Jewish if one is not a practicing Jew?”
Disraeli had a lot to say on this subject 150 years ago.
Don't practice it much..
The Australian Jewish News also claim Key as Jewish even though Key himself says in that article: "I am very respectful of the Jewish faith and, in general, I'm very respectful of religion, but I'm just not actively religious myself,"? Key said last week."
One thing I'd like the iSteve crowd to clear up is how can one be Jewish if one is not a practicing Jew?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @H2
Being “Jewish” can mean you are of the Jewish ethnicity or that you follow the religion of Judaism.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/234532-ann-coulter-how-many-f-king-jews-candidates-think-there-are-in-the-united-states/
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One thing I’d like the iSteve crowd to clear up is how can one be Jewish if one is not a practicing Jew?
Heredity.
Well, if you have any links I’d be happy to read them 🙂
It’s a perplexing subject, probably as perplexed as Key was when he says that Jews “[They] don’t deserve to be brought into some sort of personal campaign that’s directed at me.” Why would Jews be brought into the subject of Key when he says he’s not a Jew, yet the Times of Israel claim him as one of theirs with much celebration and fanfare? I mean, no one ever brought Tony Abbott’s Catholicism into discussions of him, did they?
Back to the subject of what it takes to be Jewish; Isla Fisher converted to Judaism so that her and Ali G’s kids would be Jews, which is what Borat wanted from his wife to be.
Now the iSteve crowd can correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t see how a religious ceremony can change one’s DNA. Or can it?
The Jews are a river that flows through time.
The reality is more complicated and different groups of Jews have different standards but most commonly: if your mother is Jewish when you are born you are jewish. If she isn't and you convert to Judaism you are Jewish. How you are raised is inconsequential.
Having a paternal grandmother or great grandmother can grant you "Jewish heritage" but not make you Jewish. Being raised Jewish But not being born to a Jewish mother makes you "not a Jew."
But some sects don't follow these rules.
Jews tend to avoid things that are highly G-loaded, like military careers, but that lead to nowhere in politics and influence. Compare/contrast Gen Petraeus vs. say, Hillary and iCarly and Ben Carson, Magical Negro version 2.0.
Of course, Angela Merkel has no Jewish ancestry. But plenty feelz.Replies: @Anonymous
Why do Jews go into fields like finance, law, politics, media, etc., rather than agriculture, the military, or other fields?
Jews in the West are primarily liberal, so they have a lower interest in joining the military than culturally conservative populations like Appalachians. There might also be a lingering holdover from the 19th century Dreyfus affair in France.
Seriously: even remunerative occupations like petroleum engineering don't get lots of Jews unless they recruit from big cities (and why on earth would the oil company do that?). You listed what are basically outdoor occupations (I bet one of the reasons rural people make better soldiers and officers is that so much of soldiering has similar skills to camping, hunting, etc.).
100x worse than McCarthyism and it never ends.
People losing jobs over creed.
http://therealistreport.com/support-john-friends-free-speech/
“One thing I’d like the iSteve crowd to clear up is how can one be Jewish if one is not a practicing Jew?”
It’s hard work to be this confused. Ethny is.
I’m more concerned with him being a Rhodes Scholar.
British Labour just tried to win with an atheist, not strongly ethnocentric Jew with a commie father, but he flopped. (Especially in Scotland: the Scots-Irish wouldn’t go for the “Scots-Irish”.)
The Tories had a Jew leader for the 2005 election. Disappointing in the end, but I think he tried to bring up immigration patriotism as an issue. Sure woulda been better than Blair/Brown, though had he won he would’ve been blamed for the economic crash and then Westminster would be under leftist open border traitors again.
France’s Socialists would have been led by the Jew Dominique Strauss-Kahn except for his recent unpleasantness. How would the 2012 election have been different? Sarkozy v. DSK: reduced fat Jew or regular?
Bahrain, of all places, has a politically influential Jewish family, the Nonoos.
I for one welcome my fellow Mischling overlords.
We’d be a lot better off if we had elected Barry Goldwater in ’64.
Ann Coulter said on Twitter “How Many F’n Jews do these people think there are in the United States”
She will be called an anti-Semite and a Nazi by many Left Wingers. But in the past she has admitted on Red Eye that she used to have a Jewish boyfriend. A Nazi who is open to dating and have sex with Jews is an oxymoron.
"Every GOP (other than Trump) wants to start between 5-7 wars, then import every single displaced Muslim into U.S."
Invade the World, Invite the WorldReplies: @Maj. Kong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Sarfatti
No, really.
A) A partially anti-social and completely narcissistic desire to control others
B) The connections to be vetted and hand-picked to make it happen (including fundraising)
The weak excuses I hear from supposedly realistic observers is disheartening. These IQ excuses are just as weak as saying poverty causes black crime. Nevermind that whites, Asians, Hispanics, et al. do not commit crime at those levels even under poorer economic circumstances. There are just some groups that we censor our own brains not to criticize or even notice. How odd that they happen to hold such disproportionate power. Another strange coincidence.Replies: @Wilkey
High Jewish IQ’s could maybe explain significant numbers of Jewish physicists and bio-medical researchers. It has nothing whatever to do with being a politician.
Jews have no problem getting elected in disproportionate numbers, even in states where they are not a significant share of the population. Idaho, Utah, and Florida, of all places, were some of the first states to elect Jewish governors and senators. Jews are far more likely to to contribute to political candidates, as well, which certainly doesn’t hurt.
Meanwhile people from lower IQ groups, like blacks and Hispanics, are disproportionately less likely to win election to high office. In very recent memory – the mid-to-late 90s – there were no black or Hispanic senators while there were over a dozen Jewish senators.
You don’t even have to look at the extremes to see such difference. For example, there are about 6x as many Baptists (33.8 million) in the USA as Presbyterians (5.6 million), but there are 14 Presbyterians in the US Senate vs. only 11 Baptists. Presbyterians have long been thought of as smarter than Baptists.
Politicians may be sociopathic SOBs, but they are smart, sociopathic SOBs. Groups with higher average IQs tend to be better represented in elective office than groups with lower than average IQs.
You don’t need a conspiracy theory to explain it.
H2 and David Davenport:
My favourite explanation is from Graeme Samuel:
You can actually be intensely Jewish and not be very religious, and I think I put myself into that class. I’m intensely Jewish but not very religious at all.
Judaism is… both a race, a religion and a culture.
Well in my own mind I’m absolutely certain. I’m not agnostic, I’m an atheist…
When I say my favourite explanation I mean the most hilarious explanation.
But, seriously, how would one determine genetically that Isla Fisher is a Jew?
The Tories had a Jew leader for the 2005 election. Disappointing in the end, but I think he tried to bring up immigration patriotism as an issue. Sure woulda been better than Blair/Brown, though had he won he would've been blamed for the economic crash and then Westminster would be under leftist open border traitors again.
France's Socialists would have been led by the Jew Dominique Strauss-Kahn except for his recent unpleasantness. How would the 2012 election have been different? Sarkozy v. DSK: reduced fat Jew or regular?
Bahrain, of all places, has a politically influential Jewish family, the Nonoos.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Bahrain’s ambassador to Washington is a Jewish lady.
I can think of no group to whom I would place less trust on the topic.
Turnbull may be seen here strongly defending Abbott’s and Howard’s policies against an extremely hostile interviewer.
“The most effective policy we have is turning the boats back.”
“We the Australian government, on behalf of the Australian people, will determine who comes to Australia and the circumstances under which they come.”
I think the way it works is the banking mafia families marry into the pre existing elite as insurance and this creates a hybrid caste who are only loyal to themselves.
(Like the Donmeh caste who ruled the Ottoman empire.)
The GS connection is the really critical bit.
I’d say there was a 100% chance he’ll drop the naval blockades somehow.
Donmeh, wow that's a obscure put powerful Turkish sect who still call some of the shots in Turkey. A good analogy for the Jews.Replies: @Hunsdon
Whoa, hold off on the urgent Google alert next time, Sgt. Schultz (“Jew politics -NYC -Israel”). We realize your job entails frequently writing about subjects in the news about which you know basically nothing more than your readers do, but there’s no indication so far Turnbull even wants to change any aspect of Australian border regulation, as to wet-feet/dry-feet policy, or “refugees” or anything else. Else a $5 donation will be going to your blood-pressure medication fund should he even broach it (answering an ABC reporter’s leading questions doesn’t count). But stay vigilant, mein Judenschniffer!
Turnbull:
Mr Turnbull disputed the argument that there should be no limitations on free speech, saying history had proven that “hate speech” was dangerous.
“I am very, very strongly of the view that hate, you know — people who peddle racial hatred — seriously undermine the stability and the harmony of our country,” the minister said.
“You don’t have to look very far, whether around the world today or in history, to see where hate speech can get you,” he said.
When asked about Attorney-General George Brandis’s comments that everyone had a right to be a bigot, Mr Turnbull said that there should be no tolerance for people who were racist.
The Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ):
“As soon as the Opposition as it then was, announced that it proposed to repeal Section 18C, the ECAJ consulted extensively and made known very publicly over many months that it would oppose any repeal of Section 18C."
“That legislation has served the Jewish community very well over 20 years and should continue to do so. And the legislation should remain intact.
Turnbull signed an agreement with the conservative rural National Party to get the top job. Coupled with a hostile green/labor/indie Senate, he's got Buckley's hope doing anything.Replies: @Sean
As for Turnbull being a "practicing Catholic", the leader of the Nationals (the Liberals coalition partner) had to get Turnbull to put in writing that "we've agreed to maintain the existing policy to refer the same-sex marriage issue to a plebiscite of the people in our next term."
Perhaps sodomite marriage is now a dogma of the Novus Ordo cult, who knows, but one thing's for sure Turnbull is no practicing Catholic.
Here's a summary of Malcolm Turnbull that is doing the rounds on email at the moment.Replies: @sb
Now that summary of Turnbull is a really interesting read .
As an Australian voter the question is would you rather win with Turnbull or lose with Abbott .
I very much approve of Abbott but realise that the man just can’t speak in public .
I realise many take the long view and say that things must get worse before they get better .
Remember most of us only live around 80 years .
There are really not that many Jews in Australia (100,000 ish ) -3 in a Parliament of 226- but they do ( naturally ) have a large footprint . It is worth mentioning that Turnbull holds one of the only two Seats where Jewish numbers are significant . Isn’t John Key -the NZ PM and a “real” Jew – also a Goldman Sachs alumnus ?
I’d say Turnbull married into a family who are mainly largely cultural Catholics ( like most ?)but who nevertheless take their Catholic identity very seriously . Kevin Rudd moved from Catholicism to his wife’s ( active ) Anglicanism and Turnbull has gone the other way .
There are a number of prominent people in his extended family ( Angela Lansbury , George Lansbury , Robert Hughes ) . His mother ended up making her home in US academe .
What I find particularly interesting is that he was raised by his father as a family of two . His father didn’t have much money but understood how the world worked so they lived in a cheapish rented flat in an expensive area and Malcolm went to a posh private school ( where- fortunately – he won scholarships ) which certainly contributed to the glittering prizes being more attainable
Is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of iSteve Australian content of late ? Not that I’m complaining
It's hard work to be this confused. Ethny is.Replies: @Pat Hannagan
Ethny is what?
People losing jobs over creed.
http://therealistreport.com/support-john-friends-free-speech/Replies: @Lot
The poor dear told the local newspaper in an e-mail:
Now what was the Hitler/Goebbels position on free speech by government employees? Against it I think. So in a way, he has to view this as a good thing.
Turnbull is vehemently opposed to any watering down of the Racial Discrimination Act, which is something very close to the hearts of his electorate. I’d say Sailer is on the right track.
Turnbull:
Mr Turnbull disputed the argument that there should be no limitations on free speech, saying history had proven that “hate speech” was dangerous.
“I am very, very strongly of the view that hate, you know — people who peddle racial hatred — seriously undermine the stability and the harmony of our country,” the minister said.
“You don’t have to look very far, whether around the world today or in history, to see where hate speech can get you,” he said.
When asked about Attorney-General George Brandis’s comments that everyone had a right to be a bigot, Mr Turnbull said that there should be no tolerance for people who were racist.
The Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ):
“As soon as the Opposition as it then was, announced that it proposed to repeal Section 18C, the ECAJ consulted extensively and made known very publicly over many months that it would oppose any repeal of Section 18C.”
“That legislation has served the Jewish community very well over 20 years and should continue to do so. And the legislation should remain intact.
That sounds about right, a ruling caste only loyal unto themselves.
Donmeh, wow that’s a obscure put powerful Turkish sect who still call some of the shots in Turkey. A good analogy for the Jews.
As 1/4 myself, I think this is a very good trend. Obviously the hand of God is moving evolution and history in the right direction. I expect to become a national leader soon.
She will be called an anti-Semite and a Nazi by many Left Wingers. But in the past she has admitted on Red Eye that she used to have a Jewish boyfriend. A Nazi who is open to dating and have sex with Jews is an oxymoron.Replies: @MC, @SFG
She’s going the full Sailer on Twitter right now:
“Every GOP (other than Trump) wants to start between 5-7 wars, then import every single displaced Muslim into U.S.”
Invade the World, Invite the World
Trump needs to drop the personal attacks and vaccine BS, and hit the militarists hard. Does the GOP primary electorate really want to force the Third World War with Russia?
Fiorina says she won't talk to Putin, Rubio says he will politically subvert Russia and China.
For God’s sake, Pat, do your own homework!
As for me, if this whole question of Jewish ethnicity were put to an episode of Mythbusters I'm quietly confident it would come out as "Busted".
I mean, that sort of shell game is good for the carnie folk at fairgrounds and gypsy pickpockets in Paris but it doesn't pass the most miniscule of scrutiny by a halfwit even.
London mayor Boris Johnson has Jewish ancestry on his mom’s side.
Evidence for Turnbull’s Jewishness?
PENNY-pinching millionaire Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull claims $10 from taxpayers when his wife comes to stay with him at his luxury Canberra penthouse.
Mr Turnbull is Australia’s second-wealthiest parliamentarian after Clive Palmer but also still claims the $271 a night allowance granted to MPs to stay in Canberra.
And when wife Lucy stays at the swish apartment worth more than $2 million he owns on the waterfront in trendy Kingston, Mr Turnbull puts in a legitimate claim for an extra $10.
“there’s no indication so far Turnbull even wants to change any aspect of Australian border regulation”.
Turnbull signed an agreement with the conservative rural National Party to get the top job. Coupled with a hostile green/labor/indie Senate, he’s got Buckley’s hope doing anything.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198868/Gina-Rinehart-Worlds-richest-woman-calls-Australian-workers-paid-2-day.html
The latter requires too much work.
You obviously haven’t kept up with the thread. Have a gander above and then have a crack at the Isla Fisher question since you’re obviously in on the Jew code.
As for me, if this whole question of Jewish ethnicity were put to an episode of Mythbusters I’m quietly confident it would come out as “Busted”.
I mean, that sort of shell game is good for the carnie folk at fairgrounds and gypsy pickpockets in Paris but it doesn’t pass the most miniscule of scrutiny by a halfwit even.
Turnbull’s mother wasn’t remotely Jewish, but goodness knows why he thinks Jews would be flattered to think she was. She abandoned her family to go and be a professor of English literature at Rutgers.
Hugh Jackman another Australian abandoned by mother, raised by loving father. May explain Jackman's wife and some other strange choices.
“The Western world has had relatively few national leaders who were unambiguously 100% Jewish in ancestry, upbringing, religion, and ethnic identification.”
That’s right. That’s because “being Jewish” means passing as whatever is most advantageous in whatever society is the host.
As Kevin MacDonald put it so well at least a decade ago, Judaism is neither an ethnicity nor a religion. It’s a conscious group evolutionary strategy. This is why intermarriage with powerful non-Jews is both essential/highly sought and deeply feared by Jews.
Someone above was talking about the “high Jewish IQ.” I wish people would look more deeply into this before passing along this Pinkerism.
It is accurate that the mean IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is probably somewhere around 111 or 112. About 3/4 of one standard deviation above the white mean. (Steve, you surely recall Griffe du Lion’s discussion of this, also in the mid-Aughts. He estimated that 3/4 of one SD = 40 Fields Medals.)
Does this mean all Jews are the smartest people? No. But that’s how this tends to get discussed.
But more importantly, the racial-psychometrics category of “Jew” is incredibly narrow compared to, say, the racial category of “white.” “Ashkenazi” is even narrower.
“White” is defined so broadly–it even includes North Africans and Arabs–two populations whose mean IQs are estimated to be in the mid-80s.
Who has defined psychometric research, and race, in this way?
I know of no psychometric research that has tried to sort out, say, North Sea-origin whites (Scandinavians, Germans, northern French, northern Britons) from other “Europeans” or other defined-as-whites. Or colonial-US-origin (“founding stock”) whites from those whose ancestors immigrated after 1840.
If that were to happen, I’d expect the mean “white” mean IQ to shift to the right at least one half to 3/4 standard deviation.
But no other psychometric category is permitted the population homogeneity that “Jewish” has. What was the recent estimate–that all Ashkenazi are at least fifth cousins or something like that?
I see a lot of the “high Jewish IQ” meme as self-promoting hype (another evolutionary strategy) by a cluster of people who marry to shore up their genes and power but pretend to be underdogs.
The truth is that high g tends to correlate with higher success rates in life in every dimension.
But not all high g people have the same clusters of alleles. Some like politics and schmoozing; some are content to work behind the scenes on logistics and infrastructure. Some are nice folks who leave others to work out their destinies, some are globalists who consider themselves qualified to impose their myths on others.
Which is what Mr. Sailer is wondering about here regarding Australia, immigrant invasions, and the Emma Lazarus brand of sentimentality about immigration.
Lazarus, by the way, was a Portuguese Sephardic Jew whose “New Colossus” poem was penned about the time she decided to get solidarity-minded with her roots, and advocate for the mass admission of Ashkenazi Jews to the US in the 1880s.
According to Marshall Sklare, Jewish immigration to the US rose 100-fold in the period 1840 to 1950. (50,000 to five million.) It is very difficult to believe that the shtetl Jews were all incipient Fields Medal winners. More likely, the smarter fraction intermarried and assimilated rapidly, selecting their own best minds for advancement and genetic intensification.
Which is exactly what we are not supposed to notice has been increasingly barred to people defined as white. (Thank you, Mr. Coates.) In the name of multicultural utopia.
New Zealand PM John Key’s current pet project is getting the Union Jack removed from the New Zealand flag in favour of something trendier and more corporate friendly.
Ironically Key wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Britain – his mother was a European Jew who was taken in by Britain during WWII and therefore escaped being captured by the Nazis.
Turnbull’s business success would weigh on the side of his having an ethnically Ashkenazi Jewish grandparent. Tony Bliar had appreciable Jewish ancestry (about the same as Sarkozy) but never publicized it and because the Jewish community in the UK did not either, no mainstream media did. It is quite significant that Turnbull is publically claiming Jewish ancestry, it obviously is something that has no net down side for a modern Western politician. Abbot was seen as too typically Australian.
Evidence?
[and because the Jewish community in the UK did not either]
Can anyone believe that? You know what Evelyn Waugh said about Maurice Bowra - "He was an acquaintance who became a friend once I had attracted a certain amount of attention as a novelist."
What seems to have happened is either one or a few related German Jews with that name came to Ireland, according to one source in the 1600's, and had enough sons that the name became moderately common. By 1860, there were 21 landowners in Ireland named Lipsett and another 16 named Lipsitt, nearly all in County Donegal.
That was so long ago that Blair's great grandfather, James Lipsett, born in 1850, likely was already only 1/8 or less Jewish, and thus Blair would be 1/64 or less.
Here is a Canadian Lipsett who was one of the leading generals in the first world war, and was born in the same Irish town as James Lipsett in 1874:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Lipsett
This isn't an especially rare occurrence. Jews have been intermarrying with gentiles and either converting to Christianity, or letting their children be raised Christian, all over Europe for hundreds of years. They generally marry into the upper class, and the German Lipsett immigrants seem to be an example. They married into the Anglo-Irish protestant families. None of them seems to be Catholic. Here are some grave inscriptions in a protestant cemetary:
178 In Loving Memory of Robert Lipsett, born 29th May 1836, died 27th May 1906, And his wife Martha Elizabeth 1854-1947, and his son Robert Lewis, born 22nd July 1875, died 10th May 1877. And of his fourth son, William Alfred Lipsett, B.L., born 29th January, 1886. Killed in action at the battle of Ypres, 23rd April 1915. And of their son Arthur Harold 1884-1967. 'I am the resurrection and the life, he that believes in me though he were dead yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die'. John X11, 25-26. In loving Memory of Lewis Lipsett, born 26th August, 1799, died 28th January 1887. And of his wife Eliza Jane born 1812, died 19th February, 1890. Lewis Lipsett, O.B.E., Q.C., M.A., L.L.D., son of Robert and Martha Lipsett, 1876-1957.
179 In loving memory of Richard Lipsett of Ballyshannon, born 18th April 1832, died 6th January, 1880. And Elizabeth Ethel Mary, born 29th October 1876, died 24th February 1877. And Francis Mary Ethel, born 15th August 1879 died 29th May 1880, infant daughter of Richard and Etty Lipsett. Major General L.J. Lipsett, C.B.E., M.C., younger son of Richard Lipsett, killed in action in France, October 16th 1918.
Here are some property ownership records from around 1870:
45. Anne Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 17 acres.
46. Christopher Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 23 acres.
47. James Lipsett, address Ballyshannon, owned 111 acres.
48. James Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 17 acres.
49. Joseph Lipsett, no address given, owned 329 acres.
50. Lewis Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 65 acres.
51. Richard Lipsett, address Ballyshannon, owned 161 acres.
52. Robert Lipsett, sen., same address, owned 14 acres.
53. Robert Lipsett, jun., same address, owned 161 acres.
54. William Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 31 acres.Replies: @5371
Turnbull signed an agreement with the conservative rural National Party to get the top job. Coupled with a hostile green/labor/indie Senate, he's got Buckley's hope doing anything.Replies: @Sean
The mining industry and the worlds richest woman obviously has no influence eh?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198868/Gina-Rinehart-Worlds-richest-woman-calls-Australian-workers-paid-2-day.html
In Western countries, ag is not a well-paying occupation, unless you are a researcher, and even then it’s low prestige.
Jews in the West are primarily liberal, so they have a lower interest in joining the military than culturally conservative populations like Appalachians. There might also be a lingering holdover from the 19th century Dreyfus affair in France.
"Every GOP (other than Trump) wants to start between 5-7 wars, then import every single displaced Muslim into U.S."
Invade the World, Invite the WorldReplies: @Maj. Kong
Purge incoming in 3…2…1…
Trump needs to drop the personal attacks and vaccine BS, and hit the militarists hard. Does the GOP primary electorate really want to force the Third World War with Russia?
Fiorina says she won’t talk to Putin, Rubio says he will politically subvert Russia and China.
[Tony Bliar had appreciable Jewish ancestry (about the same as Sarkozy) but never publicized it]
Evidence?
[and because the Jewish community in the UK did not either]
Can anyone believe that? You know what Evelyn Waugh said about Maurice Bowra – “He was an acquaintance who became a friend once I had attracted a certain amount of attention as a novelist.”
Losing one’s mother at a young age appears to trigger in some a manic pursuit of validation. Bono, Madonna, John Lennon. Though Turnbull may have inherited his mother’s ambitiousness(her abandoning her young child to pursue man and career). Wicked old tart!
Hugh Jackman another Australian abandoned by mother, raised by loving father. May explain Jackman’s wife and some other strange choices.
I don’t agree Tony Blair was anything close to 1/4 Jewish as Sarkozy was. He had a great-grandfather from Ballyshannon, Ireland named James Lipsett, and thus one of his grandmothers also had a Jewish maiden name. None of his other great grandparents had even a vaguely Jewish name.
What seems to have happened is either one or a few related German Jews with that name came to Ireland, according to one source in the 1600’s, and had enough sons that the name became moderately common. By 1860, there were 21 landowners in Ireland named Lipsett and another 16 named Lipsitt, nearly all in County Donegal.
That was so long ago that Blair’s great grandfather, James Lipsett, born in 1850, likely was already only 1/8 or less Jewish, and thus Blair would be 1/64 or less.
Here is a Canadian Lipsett who was one of the leading generals in the first world war, and was born in the same Irish town as James Lipsett in 1874:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Lipsett
This isn’t an especially rare occurrence. Jews have been intermarrying with gentiles and either converting to Christianity, or letting their children be raised Christian, all over Europe for hundreds of years. They generally marry into the upper class, and the German Lipsett immigrants seem to be an example. They married into the Anglo-Irish protestant families. None of them seems to be Catholic. Here are some grave inscriptions in a protestant cemetary:
178 In Loving Memory of Robert Lipsett, born 29th May 1836, died 27th May 1906, And his wife Martha Elizabeth 1854-1947, and his son Robert Lewis, born 22nd July 1875, died 10th May 1877. And of his fourth son, William Alfred Lipsett, B.L., born 29th January, 1886. Killed in action at the battle of Ypres, 23rd April 1915. And of their son Arthur Harold 1884-1967. ‘I am the resurrection and the life, he that believes in me though he were dead yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die’. John X11, 25-26. In loving Memory of Lewis Lipsett, born 26th August, 1799, died 28th January 1887. And of his wife Eliza Jane born 1812, died 19th February, 1890. Lewis Lipsett, O.B.E., Q.C., M.A., L.L.D., son of Robert and Martha Lipsett, 1876-1957.
179 In loving memory of Richard Lipsett of Ballyshannon, born 18th April 1832, died 6th January, 1880. And Elizabeth Ethel Mary, born 29th October 1876, died 24th February 1877. And Francis Mary Ethel, born 15th August 1879 died 29th May 1880, infant daughter of Richard and Etty Lipsett. Major General L.J. Lipsett, C.B.E., M.C., younger son of Richard Lipsett, killed in action in France, October 16th 1918.
Here are some property ownership records from around 1870:
45. Anne Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 17 acres.
46. Christopher Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 23 acres.
47. James Lipsett, address Ballyshannon, owned 111 acres.
48. James Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 17 acres.
49. Joseph Lipsett, no address given, owned 329 acres.
50. Lewis Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 65 acres.
51. Richard Lipsett, address Ballyshannon, owned 161 acres.
52. Robert Lipsett, sen., same address, owned 14 acres.
53. Robert Lipsett, jun., same address, owned 161 acres.
54. William Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 31 acres.
Sir Julius Vogel (Jewish parents), Francis Bell (Jewish mother) and John Key (Jewish mother) -an interestingly high total of New Zealand Premiers/Prime Ministers, considering the historically small NZ Jewish population.
Well, I’m told that I’m 2-4% Neanderthal
Don’t practice it much..
Here’s likely the most famous Irish half-Jew:
I give him a hard time over his claim to be Irish, but by all accounts he's a great guy who pushes himself to new places that movie stars don't usually go.Replies: @dearieme
Unconfirmed, so I was wrong to state it baldly, but there are a couple of sources that heavily hint at that I can recall, including a major national newspaper that said he has European family connections and a major biography that says he had distant relatives who died at at Auschwitz . When the Jewish Michael Howard became Conservative party leader* a journalist from the leading Jewish paper was asked on radio if any other major party had a leader who was Jewish or part Jewish and, sounding a little flustered to me, he said only antisemites kept track of things like that. Whether Bliar had any Jewish ancestors or not (and the Jewish community can be wrong about these things) some people think he has and they did not think it was a good idea to publicise it. I think it is significant that someone would play up such ancestry like Turnbull and Cameron. It obviously is considered an asset. By the way, Bliar’s daughter attempted suicide while he was prime minister, but you never read about that either.
*(Wikipedia:Despite announcing after the 2005 general election that he would vacate the role of party leader, Howard performed a substantial reshuffle of the party’s front bench in which several rising star MPs were given their first shadow portfolios, including George Osborne and David Cameron. This move cleared the way for David Cameron (who had worked for Howard as a Special Advisor when the latter was Home Secretary) to run for the Conservative Party leadership”) This was the beginning of the end for the (working class) front runner to succeed Howard, David Davis.
They live in New York.
Seriously: even remunerative occupations like petroleum engineering don’t get lots of Jews unless they recruit from big cities (and why on earth would the oil company do that?). You listed what are basically outdoor occupations (I bet one of the reasons rural people make better soldiers and officers is that so much of soldiering has similar skills to camping, hunting, etc.).
Actually, given the love of feminism and intellectualism, that would probably gain you a few Jewish votes.
She will be called an anti-Semite and a Nazi by many Left Wingers. But in the past she has admitted on Red Eye that she used to have a Jewish boyfriend. A Nazi who is open to dating and have sex with Jews is an oxymoron.Replies: @MC, @SFG
Mussolini?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Sarfatti
No, really.
As for Australian policy on illegal immigrants: whatever Turnbull's views on "stopping the boats" might be, it was the single most important issue in getting Abbott elected in 2013, and Turnbull would be reckless in the extreme to attempt to reverse it. I don't think he's either brave or stupid enough to try it.Replies: @WhatEvvs
Why was Abbott dumped? This is a big shock to me – but I’m looking at it from a distance.
The PEW foundation has a lot to say about “being Jewish”. As I recall, in one of their surveys only 17% of American Jews said they were religious. The rest enjoyed the ceremonies and the (commercial and professional) connections. The connections are crucial, given the ties this can foster and the access this can provide to the rich and the powerful at the local, national, and global level.
I once worked for one of these Jews and saw firsthand how the system operated. He was solidly connected within the Jewish construction industry — shopping centers and urban development, which is where he made his millions. He once told me that he wasn’t religious and didn’t believe all of that “Jewish stuff”. But having the right last name and circulating within the exclusive “Club” without question was the ground for his real estate empire. He also moved with a quiet ease among the Washington political class. A few phone calls could get him anywhere he wanted to go to further those interests. In short, he was JEWISH and he was CONNECTED.
The PEW foundation has a lot to say about “being Jewish”. As I recall, in one of their surveys only 17% of American Jews said they were religious. The rest enjoyed the ceremonies and the (commercial and professional) connections. The connections are crucial, given the ties this can foster and the access this can provide to the rich and the powerful at the local, national, and global level.
I once worked for one of these Jews and saw firsthand how the system operated. He was solidly connected within the Jewish construction industry — shopping centers and urban development, which is where he made his millions. He once told me that he wasn’t religious and didn’t believe all of that “Jewish stuff”. But having the right last name and circulating within the exclusive “Club” was without question the ground of his real estate empire. He also moved with a quiet ease among the Washington political class. A few phone calls could get him anywhere he wanted to go. In short, he was JEWISH and he was CONNECTED; he was a member of the “Club”.
“Boris Johnson has Jewish ancestry on his mom’s side.” And Turkish on his father’s.
He’s also American-born; you chaps should snap him up for President.
Helmut Schmidt had a Jewish grandfather.
I read a book once that rather poetically described it thusly:
The Jews are a river that flows through time.
The reality is more complicated and different groups of Jews have different standards but most commonly: if your mother is Jewish when you are born you are jewish. If she isn’t and you convert to Judaism you are Jewish. How you are raised is inconsequential.
Having a paternal grandmother or great grandmother can grant you “Jewish heritage” but not make you Jewish. Being raised Jewish But not being born to a Jewish mother makes you “not a Jew.”
But some sects don’t follow these rules.
Donmeh, wow that's a obscure put powerful Turkish sect who still call some of the shots in Turkey. A good analogy for the Jews.Replies: @Hunsdon
Analogy? Aren’t the Donmeh crypto-Jews?
Daniel Day-Lewis’s dad was Poet Laureate of England and his dad’s dad was a Protestant Church of Ireland minister of the Established Church (i.e., Anglican), so he seems more like a ruling class half-Englishman to me, but I’m sure deep down he feels Irish.
I give him a hard time over his claim to be Irish, but by all accounts he’s a great guy who pushes himself to new places that movie stars don’t usually go.
Are the only real Americans the whites of British descent?Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous, @Anonymous
And I’ve just watched an Ad on TV where two, or three octogenarian New York City Jewesses tout the values of Volkswagen cars
I can think of no group to whom I would place less trust on the topic.
The Raj only allowed Anglo Indians to run the railroad, telegraph and artillery, assuming their loyalty was by partial blood
Probably the same here
Probably for the best, since Davis has lately become a left-wing EU/immigration fanatic (even by Cameron’s standards).
It’s also likely that Jews will be very keen to encourage the Jewish identification of political leaders with some slight Jewish blood. In a new book on Cameron the Tory Party Chairman Lord Feldman of Elstree is quoted: ‘I’m always telling him to bring out his inner Semite,’ he says, referring to Cameron’s Jewish ancestry (his great-great-grandfather was the Jewish financier Emile Levita), which Feldman thinks explains Cameron’s inner warmth’
I give him a hard time over his claim to be Irish, but by all accounts he's a great guy who pushes himself to new places that movie stars don't usually go.Replies: @dearieme
I find it rather foolish to claim that the only real Irishmen are the Nationalist, Roman Catholic ones.
Are the only real Americans the whites of British descent?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_(Ireland)
Even the New English started arriving in the 1500's.
And Tony Blair's distant Ashkenazi ancestor likely came from modern Poland after Cromwell conquered the Island and reintroduced tolerance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes_of_KilkennyThe later English invasion that replaced the Irish and "Old English" Norman descended landlords and installed Anglo-Irish or "New English" landlords consisted of a small landlord class that depended even more greatly with ties back to England for its power, wealth, and privilege.
Jewry is a tribe. An Amerind tribe is a decent analogy for Americans to use here (dunno what Aussies might use). The tribe has its traditional religion, but is not defined by it (though some of that religion’s members might disagree). A white man could be adopted into the tribe, even though he had no tribal ancestry, and might not even adopt the tribe’s religion. A red man born to the tribe might convert to Christianity, but remain in the tribe.
Jews play a lot of games (to further their own interests) with all of this. They love to disavow tribe members for not following the tribal religion, when it suits their purposes (commie mass murdering Jews), and then claim others as paid-up members in good standing, even though they never followed that religion at all (Einstein). Jews are not exactly famous for their honesty or scruples.
What seems to have happened is either one or a few related German Jews with that name came to Ireland, according to one source in the 1600's, and had enough sons that the name became moderately common. By 1860, there were 21 landowners in Ireland named Lipsett and another 16 named Lipsitt, nearly all in County Donegal.
That was so long ago that Blair's great grandfather, James Lipsett, born in 1850, likely was already only 1/8 or less Jewish, and thus Blair would be 1/64 or less.
Here is a Canadian Lipsett who was one of the leading generals in the first world war, and was born in the same Irish town as James Lipsett in 1874:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Lipsett
This isn't an especially rare occurrence. Jews have been intermarrying with gentiles and either converting to Christianity, or letting their children be raised Christian, all over Europe for hundreds of years. They generally marry into the upper class, and the German Lipsett immigrants seem to be an example. They married into the Anglo-Irish protestant families. None of them seems to be Catholic. Here are some grave inscriptions in a protestant cemetary:
178 In Loving Memory of Robert Lipsett, born 29th May 1836, died 27th May 1906, And his wife Martha Elizabeth 1854-1947, and his son Robert Lewis, born 22nd July 1875, died 10th May 1877. And of his fourth son, William Alfred Lipsett, B.L., born 29th January, 1886. Killed in action at the battle of Ypres, 23rd April 1915. And of their son Arthur Harold 1884-1967. 'I am the resurrection and the life, he that believes in me though he were dead yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die'. John X11, 25-26. In loving Memory of Lewis Lipsett, born 26th August, 1799, died 28th January 1887. And of his wife Eliza Jane born 1812, died 19th February, 1890. Lewis Lipsett, O.B.E., Q.C., M.A., L.L.D., son of Robert and Martha Lipsett, 1876-1957.
179 In loving memory of Richard Lipsett of Ballyshannon, born 18th April 1832, died 6th January, 1880. And Elizabeth Ethel Mary, born 29th October 1876, died 24th February 1877. And Francis Mary Ethel, born 15th August 1879 died 29th May 1880, infant daughter of Richard and Etty Lipsett. Major General L.J. Lipsett, C.B.E., M.C., younger son of Richard Lipsett, killed in action in France, October 16th 1918.
Here are some property ownership records from around 1870:
45. Anne Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 17 acres.
46. Christopher Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 23 acres.
47. James Lipsett, address Ballyshannon, owned 111 acres.
48. James Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 17 acres.
49. Joseph Lipsett, no address given, owned 329 acres.
50. Lewis Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 65 acres.
51. Richard Lipsett, address Ballyshannon, owned 161 acres.
52. Robert Lipsett, sen., same address, owned 14 acres.
53. Robert Lipsett, jun., same address, owned 161 acres.
54. William Lipsett, address Cashel, owned 31 acres.Replies: @5371
There’s nothing necessarily Jewish about the name Lipsett, and your idea of how Irishmen come to bear it is your own invention. Surely someone as keenly interested in all things Jewish as you has heard the anecdote about Karl Lueger, mayor of Vienna, whose secretary once called out to him, “Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg here to see you!” Hizzoner’s face sank and he replied, “I’ve seen enough Jews for one day already. Get rid of these three for me somehow.”
That's not my invention, but immediately obvious with even basic research.
By the way my otherwise all English ancestor who came from Northumbria to the USA in the 1870s had a Russian Jewish as an ancestor who came around 1740 and was a skilled craftsmen.
Like the Irish Lipsetts, he married a Christian and all of their immediate descendants were Christians, even as they kept their very Jewish (but not funny sounding) surname.Replies: @5371
Are the only real Americans the whites of British descent?Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous, @Anonymous
The English were settling in Ireland since before Columbus, so I agree.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_(Ireland)
Even the New English started arriving in the 1500’s.
And Tony Blair’s distant Ashkenazi ancestor likely came from modern Poland after Cromwell conquered the Island and reintroduced tolerance.
Lipsett is an anglicized version of the overwhelmingly eastern Ashkenazi surname Lifshitz (and its many variants). If you have evidence that the name arose organically among the Anglo Irish in county Donegul, let’s hear it. The actual people on ancestry forums say it came from Jews in the 17th century.
That’s not my invention, but immediately obvious with even basic research.
By the way my otherwise all English ancestor who came from Northumbria to the USA in the 1870s had a Russian Jewish as an ancestor who came around 1740 and was a skilled craftsmen.
Like the Irish Lipsetts, he married a Christian and all of their immediate descendants were Christians, even as they kept their very Jewish (but not funny sounding) surname.
That's not my invention, but immediately obvious with even basic research.
By the way my otherwise all English ancestor who came from Northumbria to the USA in the 1870s had a Russian Jewish as an ancestor who came around 1740 and was a skilled craftsmen.
Like the Irish Lipsetts, he married a Christian and all of their immediate descendants were Christians, even as they kept their very Jewish (but not funny sounding) surname.Replies: @5371
Mere humanity and the ability to post to a forum make no-one an authority. There are plenty of surnames which sound like Jewish ones and have been given to Jews on that account; that in itself is no evidence that any given bearer is actually descended from Jews. This is immediately obvious without any research at all.
Of course, you could have wrote an article about how a sort-of-Jew is now leading the most forthright immigration restrictionist government in the Anglosphere, how Israel is advising Hungary and other nations about how best to defend its borders and how Israeli football fans showed German football fans what they think of their bullshit AstroTurf campaign by holding a “refugees not welcome” sign. More fun though to write some weird article about how Jews are responsible for a non-existent change in Australian policy, because Steve Sailer is not allowed to point out that he didn’t like the Jewish students at college and be a columnist in the NYT.
You’re not looking very hard. There is plenty of research on intelligence that compares these groups, and Steve has linked to it.
Are the only real Americans the whites of British descent?Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous, @Anonymous
That’s not really analogous, since whites of pure British descent aren’t the dominant demography in mos t of the US except perhaps the South, and “real Southerners” are generally considered to be Southern whites of British descent.
Are the only real Americans the whites of British descent?Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous, @Anonymous
It’s not that foolish at all. Going back to the Norman invasions, which also brought in English and Welsh, the invaders identified themselves as being of a different nationality from the Irish, and there were even active legislative attempts to maintain those national distinctions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes_of_Kilkenny
The later English invasion that replaced the Irish and “Old English” Norman descended landlords and installed Anglo-Irish or “New English” landlords consisted of a small landlord class that depended even more greatly with ties back to England for its power, wealth, and privilege.
I am Italian and I found out I have 6 percent Ashkenazi ancestry after taking a 123AndMe DNA test. The Mexican Linda Chavez found out she has some Sephardi ancestry after taking a DNA test.Replies: @Anonymous
Genetic ancestry testing is not so good that you should interpret 6% of your genome assigned to the Ashkenazi category as 6% Ashkenazi ancestry. Remember that Ashkenazi Jews are roughly half Middle Eastern and half Southern European genetically. The test may be picking up similarities between your southern Italian ancestry and the southern European ancestry that Ashkenazi Jews have without indicating Jewish ancestry at all.
It doesn’t work so well for everyone in the Jewish community. First, the Jewish community to which a person belongs must itself be well connected as a group within the local economic and political power structure. That’s the case in places like New York City and Los Angeles, but it is less so in places like Denver and Atlanta and much less so in most smaller cities. Next, one has to be in the right fields of work to take advantage of the connections, which varies a bit by city/Jewish community. Third, one has to be talented at networking, which most people really aren’t. Fourth, one has to be seen as capable of becoming a macher rather than being just some schmo. One also has to be patient because most of the time the connections take a long time to bring tangible benefit. I grew up in a mid-sized city where the Jewish community wasn’t so well-connected. Most of the active Jewish community members from ordinary backgrounds of whom I was aware were never able to leverage their connections to the small clique of wealthy Jewish families, most of whom had lived in that city for generations.
That’s not true, but explaining birthrates to you is clearly a non-starter.
Also not true. Read up about something called reversion to the mean.