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I wanted to go back to a Washington Post piece from last September 14th by veteran Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, who more or less represents Washington centrism. I think it’s kind of revealing about some of the reasons of rhetorical momentum why the globalist establishment can’t restrain its drift toward extremism on Open Borders:

Angela Merkel is a better leader for America than Donald Trump

By Richard Cohen Opinion writer September 14, 2015

It has come to this: The leading Republican presidential candidate struts like a martinet and has taken on the persona, if not the rhetoric, of a hater, while the leader of Germany, an altogether humble woman of clear moral vision, is performing in the Western tradition of enlightened tolerance. How did we lose this war? …

You can imagine — or can you? — what the world would be like if German Chancellor Angela Merkel talked like Trump. Instead of leading her country in a righteous humanitarian cause, instead of assuring Germans that they really have the wherewithal to take in anywhere from 800,000 to 1 million migrants, what if she had seized the political opening? What if she denounced the migrants as rapists and criminals — concluding, of course, with the oily lie that, as harsh it may sound, it is the truth?

Or maybe Merkel would promise to build a wall — as impregnable as the one Trump promises for Mexico — across Germany’s eastern borders. Look, she could say, it has been done — a wall down the middle of Berlin, separating east from west, and it worked. …

At bottom, the difference between the leading Republican candidate and the leading German is an appreciation of history. Merkel knows that the new Europe skates on the thinnest of ice. She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities. She knows that ethnic peace has been achieved by ethnic cleansing and population transfers that the Nazis and the Soviets initiated and the World War II victors continued. Winston Churchill had it about right when he told the House of Commons in 1944 that “expulsion is the method which, insofar as we have been able to see, will be the most satisfactory and lasting. There will be no mixture of populations to cause endless trouble. . . . A clean sweep will be made.”

That clean sweep is now being unmade. France is anywhere from 8 to 10 percent Muslim; for Austria, Belgium and Germany, the figure is upward of 5 percent. In France, the large numbers of Muslims (and black Africans) live in the banlieues, suburban slums where radicalism and crime fester. Germany has a substantial Turkish community. With more Muslims on the way, the ethnic equilibrium of Europe will be tested. Some politicians will no doubt take advantage. Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.

Merkel understands what Trump does not: that to pander to prejudice is to reap the whirlwind. His scapegoating of immigrants is playing with fire. We are a tolerant nation, but our better angels have sometimes flown the coop. We incarcerated Japanese Americans during World War II, locked our doors to desperate European Jews running from Hitler, enslaved black people and held them in peonage, and nearly eradicated the Native Americans. Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening, for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

Donald Trump is rebuked by Angela Merkel. She has the political gravitas that he lacks and the respect for history that he disdains. It has indeed come to this: A German leader is showing American politicians how to be an American.

Okay, well, obviously Cohen was motivated by the common It’s Always 1933 in Europe fetish, but I want to focus on Cohen’s focus upon the winners’ actions in 1944-1946 to remake the map of Eastern Europe: the ethnic cleansing of about 12 million of the German losers from Eastern Europe:

She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities. She knows that ethnic peace has been achieved by ethnic cleansing and population transfers that the Nazis and the Soviets initiated and the World War II victors continued. Winston Churchill had it about right when he told the House of Commons in 1944 that “expulsion is the method which, insofar as we have been able to see, will be the most satisfactory and lasting. There will be no mixture of populations to cause endless trouble. . . . A clean sweep will be made.”

That clean sweep is now being unmade. France is anywhere from 8 to 10 percent Muslim; for Austria, Belgium and Germany, the figure is upward of 5 percent.

Inviting in million of Muslims into northern Europe will right the wrongs committed by Europeans against each other 70 years ago in the formation of contemporary Poland, that repulsively non-diverse country. You see, to not want to invite in Muslims is not only to endorse Hitler, but also to endorse Stalin.

Or something like that.

There seems to be a growing urge among Establishment voices to demonize as immoral the desire to let sleeping dogs lie.

For example, the ethnic cleansing of Germans at the end of World War II is one of the sleepiest sleeping dogs of them all.

If you asked me, I’d say, Well, throwing all the Germans out of Poland and moving the Polish border 200 miles into Germany was bad, and I’m against it being done back then and all that, but, holy cow, let’s not get into that now. What’s done is done and Eastern Europe is settled.

But that kind of prudence is increasingly out of fashion.

Maybe we should call it the Inglourious Basterdization of elite opinion: the urge is growing to go back into the past and Kill Hitler (and, okay, to be fair about it, Stalin, too). Granted, advances in time machine technology haven’t been wholly satisfactory yet, so therefore we should give anybody who shows up claiming to have some analogy to being like Jews in Hitler’s Europe, well, we should give them Europe … even if they are anti-Semites who would consider it disgusting to claim to be kind of like Jews.

Because Hitler.

By the way, I know race does not exist genetically and all that because race is a social construction, but the socially constructed current border between Poland and German is a racial/genetic border, too, because race can be socially constructed if you have enough T-34s.

Hum Genet. 2005 Sep;117(5):428-43. Epub 2005 Jun 16.

Significant genetic differentiation between Poland and Germany follows present-day political borders, as revealed by Y-chromosome analysis.

Abstract
To test for human population substructure and to investigate human population history we have analysed Y-chromosome diversity using seven microsatellites (Y-STRs) and ten binary markers (Y-SNPs) in samples from eight regionally distributed populations from Poland (n = 913) and 11 from Germany (n = 1,215). Based on data from both Y-chromosome marker systems, which we found to be highly correlated (r = 0.96), and using spatial analysis of the molecular variance (SAMOVA), we revealed statistically significant support for two groups of populations: (1) all Polish populations and (2) all German populations. By means of analysis of the molecular variance (AMOVA) we observed a large and statistically significant proportion of 14% (for Y-SNPs) and 15% (for Y-STRs) of the respective total genetic variation being explained between both countries. The same population differentiation was detected using Monmonier’s algorithm, with a resulting genetic border between Poland and Germany that closely resembles the course of the political border between both countries. The observed genetic differentiation was mainly, but not exclusively, due to the frequency distribution of two Y-SNP haplogroups and their associated Y-STR haplotypes: R1a1*, most frequent in Poland, and R1*(xR1a1), most frequent in Germany. We suggest here that the pronounced population differentiation between the two geographically neighbouring countries, Poland and Germany, is the consequence of very recent events in human population history, namely the forced human resettlement of many millions of Germans and Poles during and, especially, shortly after World War II. …

 
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  1. Yes. Poland should be allowed to take East Germany.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    @Orthodox

    there are already people in Saxony who want separation and others who want to build up against the fence between eastern and western Germany. Also there are surely some people in Poland who start to figure out that Russians might not be their biggest problem but rather the EU.
    I am slowly converging to the world view of Putin, who said the fall of the Sowjet Union was a huge geopolitical catastrophe.
    At some point there needs to be a border between western and eastern Europe, separating afro-arabic, demographically expanding (Lebensraum?), economically dwindling and always a step before civil war western europe from eastern Europe. The relevant question is: where will this border be drawn? Russia and Belorussia will surely be on the safe side, will Poland be? Will Eastern Germany be?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Bies Podkrakowski

    , @Anon 2
    @Orthodox

    "Poland should be allowed to take East Germany"

    In fact, when Germany became unified so many Ossies
    moved west that eastern Germany was (and still is) in
    danger of becoming depopulated. The German government
    then invited anyone from Poland who was interested to
    move to certain specific apartment blocks in towns
    close to the Polish border. Otherwise they would have
    to be torn down. I don't know how successful this German
    proposal was but as a visitor from the United States such
    as myself (where the population is exploding) travels through
    Germany one cannot avoid the impression how depopulated
    Germany is becoming. Poland is the same way. One caveat:
    I haven't visited Germany since the recent migrant invasion.

    One goes to Weimar (which was in East Germany before the
    reunification), and in the midst of the tourist season the
    restaurants at night are practically empty. In Nuremberg you
    can visit certain historic sites and find yourself all alone in
    the street.

    The point is that in the developed world life has become so easy
    and pleasant that war, sex, and even going to church seem like
    too much trouble. Drudge had an article yesterday about Japan
    that quoted a survey in which 10% of men and 24% of women said
    that sex was too much work. In the U.S. most women would
    rather curl up on the couch with an interesting book than have
    sex. In the same way, territorial changes in Europe are very unlikely
    as war is just too much trouble. It might mess up your hair, for
    example.

    , @SFG
    @Orthodox

    Oh, God. Please, no. Not the Old European Territorial Disputes again. Germany will want Alsace back, and Belgium will split up, and Catalonia and the Basque country will want to be independent, and Northern Italy will try to secede, and...ugh.

    Replies: @SoItGoes

  2. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Should Europe be Jordanized?

    Jordanian population is 80% Palestinian because of the Nakba.

    Cohen-ian logic applied to history goes as follows.

    Jewish policy driving out 800,00o Palestinians: necessary and progressive.

    But….

    suppose Jordan had refused to take in Palestinian refugees caused by Zionist policy.

    Why, Jordanians would have been like the Nazis.

    Jordan had to pay the demographic price for Zionist actions.

    And how does Cohenian logic work today?

    Zionist-Globalist foreign policy messes up Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, & Syria and leads to the deaths of 100,00os and the displacement of millions of people: No Problem! It’s just spreading democracy and western values.

    But…

    If Europeans say NO to this deluge? They are like Nazis.

    Cohenian logic in action.

    If Cohen takes over someone’s house, steals all the property, and kicks him out into the cold, that is not a problem. If anything, we should praise Cohen and defend his action.

    But if you won’t take in this homeless victim of Cohen, YOU are the Nazi.

    What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he’s just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.

    ————-

    What should recent Western policy toward the Middle East be called?

    Mega-nakba, affecting pretty much all Arabs and Muslims in the region.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @tbraton
    @Anon

    George Will has been saying for years (and, for all I know, still does) that the Palestinians should be evicted from the West Bank because "they already have a homeland---it's called Jordan" (or words to that effect).

    , @Felix.
    @Anon


    But if you won’t take in this homeless victim of Cohen, YOU are the Nazi.

    What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he’s just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.
     

    He's neither. He's simply agitating for what he perceives to be the ethnic interests of his tribe. There is nothing wrong with that, but by the same token, we should understand that the interests of his tribe and our tribe diverge in the most significant degree imaginable (very survival) and act accordingly. Of course, if we do so he will screech, and screech loudly, but that too is ok, because his screeching can likewise be interpreted as the pursuit of ethnic self interest and thus be ignored.

    TLDR: the morally defective party is not Cohen in his screeching but US in taking his screeching seriously. We as a people are acting like idiots, which is not commendable.

    Replies: @Anon, @Judah Benjamin Hur

    , @biz
    @Anon


    Jordanian population is 80% Palestinian because of the Nakba
     
    Are you referring to the 1948 invasion where Israel accepted the UN partition plan but the Arabs did not, and then the Arabs invaded with the stated intent of genociding all of the Jews there, but the Jews stubbornly refused to die? Because that is what Arab propagandists refer to as the Nakba aka "catastrophe."

    As for Jordan being 80% Palestinian, it is a distinction without a difference. The concept of there being a "Palestinian" people was invented in the 1960s and 1970s to make it seem like Israel was up against an equally small people rather than the entire Arab world. Before that Arabs in Palestine and Arabs in Jordan alike called themselves "South Syrians" and identified as Arabs and members of particular tribes but never as "Palestinians" or not. Any reference to a "Palestinian" in the 1940s and 1950s meant a Jew. The "Palestinian" Arabs and the Jordanian Arabs are exactly the same people.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  3. Cohen has also been vehemently advocating for starting a humanitarian war in Syria.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Bert

    "Cohen has also been vehemently advocating for starting a humanitarian war in Syria."

    And that's how you know that Cohen is a real humanitarian - his desire to start a humanitarian war. War is a very humanitarian enterprise.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @hhsiii
    @Bert

    There's already a war going on there. He must mean a war to stop the war.

  4. iSteveFan says:

    France is anywhere from 8 to 10 percent Muslim; for Austria, Belgium and Germany, the figure is upward of 5 percent.

    Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.

    So with France at 10 percent muslim; and Austria, Belgium and Germany at 5 percent, it’s far too late to keep Europe Christian? Does that mean they should all just give up? It sounds like more of that theory of inevitability crap the Left is always pushing down our throats to get us to submit and stop resisting. It’s inevitable after all so stop wasting your time and get on the right side of history.

    I wonder if Mr. Cohen thinks that it’s far too late to keep Israel a Jewish state since the muslim population is about 18 percent? If so he ought to tell the Israelis, I don’t think they feel it’s too late.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @iSteveFan

    In the 1950s Algeria was as Christian (about 10%) as he says France is Muslim today. Most of those Christians also had deeper roots in Algeria than Muslims do in l'Hexagone. Yet by 1963 Algeria was close to 100% Muslim. Evidently the Algerians didn't understand this inevitability argument.

    Cohen: On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    I watched it again on TV just last week. No retching to report.

    Replies: @Beach

    , @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan

    Not that I'd endorse any of Cohen's opinions, but actually, Cohen is saying that nobody is going to church, so Europe is no longer Christian anyway.

    That's why using proxies (like culture, religion, etc.) instead of race is, well, problematic. I would rather say "Europe should stay predominantly (like, 99%) inhabited by white Europeans of Christian heritage". But of course it's understandable why a mainstream politician would only dare talking about religion or other proxies.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

  5. OT but related:

    Here’s a recent BBC interview with Marion Maréchal Le Pen which, you guessed it, spends lots of time fretting about the legacy of WW2 and anti-Semitism:

    She describes her grandfather as a “not a conservative but a right-wing anarchist” which sounds right.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Cagey Beast

    Whenever I see her, I can't help but think of Burke:


    It is now sixteen or seventeen years since I saw the queen of France, then the dauphiness, at Versailles; and surely never lighted on this orb, which she hardly seemed to touch, a more delightful vision. I saw her just above the horizon, decorating and cheering the elevated sphere she just began to move in,—glittering like the morning-star, full of life, and splendour, and joy. Oh! what a revolution! and what a heart must I have to contemplate without emotion that elevation and that fall! Little did I dream when she added titles of veneration to those of enthusiastic, distant, respectful love, that she should ever be obliged to carry the sharp antidote against disgrace concealed in that bosom; little did I dream that I should have lived to see such disasters fallen upon her in a nation of gallant men, in a nation of men of honour, and of cavaliers. I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult. But the age of chivalry is gone. That of sophisters, economists, and calculators, has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever. Never, never more shall we behold that generous loyalty to rank and sex, that proud submission, that dignified obedience, that subordination of the heart, which kept alive, even in servitude itself, the spirit of an exalted freedom. The unbought grace of life, the cheap defence of nations, the nurse of manly sentiment and heroic enterprise, is gone! It is gone, that sensibility of principle, that charity of honor, which felt a stain like a wound, which inspired courage whilst it mitigated ferocity, which ennobled whatever it touched, and under which vice itself lost half its evil, by losing all its grossness.
     

    Replies: @Bill B.

    , @AndrewR
    @Cagey Beast

    So Jews are turning in their graves because Marion has a good relationship with her grandfather, whose opinions she very publicly criticizes?

    What does the BBC want? What do Jews want? For people to disown kin with non-kosher opinions? Goddamn I am pissed.

    Don't get me started on the claim that a few hoodlums desecrating a cemetary is almost as outrageous as murdering over 100 people in cold blood.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    , @Bill B.
    @Cagey Beast

    Yes I liked the line about Jean-Marie Le Pen being a right-wing anarchist.

    But why does the interviewer keep banging on about Marion still talking to her grandfather in a tone of 'So why do you keep putting on this Nazi uniform?'

    I mean the old man has actually been ejected from the FN, what else does he want?

    There is a rich history of rather fruity political ideas in France that I understand helps fuel the enmity of critics of the FN. But I can't quite grasp why it is still traduced so vigorously these days, especially as, as Marion says, the other parties have been forced to copy many key parts of its program on things like immigration.

    Replies: @5371

  6. We incarcerated Japanese Americans during World War II…

    No, “we” didn’t. Franklin Roosevelt (along with Earl Warren) did. Take him off the damn dime if it really bothers you. I kind of miss Mercury.

    locked our doors to desperate European Jews running from Hitler…

    That had to be FDR, too. No one else was in power during Hitler’s years.

    enslaved black people and held them in peonage…

    That was Democrats. They can pay the reparations.

    and nearly eradicated the Native Americans.

    We are the native Americans.

    The answer, my friend
    is Cohen blowin’ wind,
    the answer is Cohen blowin’ wind

    As Weyl and Possony pointed out over fifty years ago, the Cohens were the less successful priests. Though they do make fine figure skaters and comedians.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Reg Cæsar

    How many refugees does Israel take? Let Cohen answer that question.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    , @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "No, “we” didn’t. Franklin Roosevelt (along with Earl Warren) did. Take him off the damn dime if it really bothers you. I kind of miss Mercury."

    Actually it was the federal government, under the auspices of the military, along with endorsement of the Supreme Court.

    "That was Democrats. They can pay the reparations."

    Democrats weren't around in the 1600's when slavery became the foundation for the southern economy.

    "We are the native Americans."

    Tribal groups were the original peoples of the Americas. Europeans invaded, I mean colonized. Americans, as a group, are "native" to this land in that context, but are not the actual "hosts".

    Replies: @Calogero, @dr kill

  7. I have watched the movie “Ex Machina” 6 times. It is great in every way. I know what happens at the end, yet still, I cannot quit rooting for the robots. I feel it is the same for people who cannot quit rooting for “immigrants” illegal and legal. It is self defeating in the extreme, but some people are hardwired for it.

  8. Us and Them: The Enduring Power of Ethnic Nationalism, By Jerry Z. Muller: https://goo.gl/ezAjwe (This article appeared in Foreign Affairs, March 2008)

  9. “Donald Trump is rebuked by Angela Merkel. She has the political gravitas that he lacks and the respect for history that he disdains.”

    Mr. Cohen’s “respect for history” seems to lack so much as a scintilla of grasp of fourteen centuries of Islam’s bloody aggressive wars of conquest, Islam’s genocide of Armenians and other races, and Islam’s still-imposed slavery, intolerance, stigmatization, humiliation and extortion of other faiths in Moslem lands. Perhaps by attempting to enter Saudi Arabia while wearing a kippah and Star of David pendant Mr. Cohen might test Islamic “tolerance”?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Auntie Analogue

    He must dream of becoming another Maimonides at Cordoba. While forgetting that neither the Muslims or Christians really loved the conviviencia.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Auntie Analogue

    Auntie, Thank you for mentioning the unmentionable. The Turks, the Islamic Ottoman state, systematically rounded up and exterminated the Armenians, who were Coptic/Orthodox Christian. This was genocide at its worst. The figure of those starved to death or murdered exceeded one million. This all happened during many of our parents lifetime.

    Replies: @Bill

  10. From Philly.com, Jan 21, 2016:

    Philadelphia City Council returned Thursday for its first meeting of the new term. […] [A] nonbinding resolution was offered suggesting that two Muslim holidays become official city and School District holidays.

    Speaking before a chamber packed with men wearing Muslim prayer caps and women wearing hijabs, Councilman Curtis Jones Jr. said an acquaintance had questioned his timing, considering the recent shooting of a Philadelphia police officer by a man who said he was acting on behalf of Islam and the tension surrounding calls for Muslims to be banned from entry to the United States.

    After Council passed the resolution on a voice vote with no dissent, many of those supporters celebrated by saying, “Allahu akbar,” Arabic for “God is the greatest.”

    The resolution urges the city and the School District to make the holidays official.

    It received initial support from Mayor Kenney.

    The two holidays in question are Eid al-Fitr, celebrated after the monthlong observance of Ramadan, and Eid al-Adha, celebrated at the conclusion of the annual Hajj pilgrimage.

    Philadelphia, which has an estimated 200,000 Muslims, would not be the first city to add the holidays to the official calendar. Schools in New York City added them to the academic calendar last year.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    @Mark Caplan

    I think the Freedom from Religion Foundation needs to be all over this; if not, what the hell are they good for?

    , @bomag
    @Mark Caplan

    After Council passed the resolution on a voice vote with no dissent, many of those supporters celebrated by saying, “Allahu akbar,” Arabic for “God is the greatest.”

    Well, at least they know how things work and how to get their way.

    If there is anybody left to rebuild after our current Progressive utopia runs its course, let us hope they have learned some of these lessons.

    , @EriK
    @Mark Caplan


    Philadelphia, which has an estimated 200,000 Muslims,
     
    I wonder what the source of that estimate is.
  11. My grandfather drove a T-34 into Berlin. He loved that tank.

  12. Cohen.

    Because Jewish, I guess. Why else? It seems it’s in the DNA, or they want it to be.

  13. We incarcerated Japanese Americans during World War II,

    Some. The ones on the West Coast. Not the ones in Hawaii. Frankly, in terms of great American wrongs (slavery, Amerind expulsions), it’s pretty small potatoes.

    locked our doors to desperate European Jews running from Hitler,

    Help me out: How many Muslim refugees is Israel taking in?

    enslaved black people and held them in peonage,

    Didn’t that entail importing non-Europeans?Seems to be a lesson there, somewhere…

    and nearly eradicated the Native Americans.

    Mostly via disease.An unavoidable consequence of the “Columbian Exchange.”

    Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening,

    Which probably has something to do with the fact that the Nazi episode was such a sharply defined period:1933-45, with the major crimes (Holocaust, mass starvation of Soviet POWs, etc) being confined to 1941-45.

    for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    Ah, the gastro-intestinal school of signalling moral sensitivity…

    And, as always, the crimes of the Stalin epoch go unmentioned:

    Terror Famine: Approx 6 million dead, 3 million in Ukraine alone.

    Great Terror: 682,691 executions.Of this total, 247,157 were killed in “ethnic operations.” E.g., The “Polish Action,” during which 111,091 ethnic Poles were killed (in some cases, NKVD operatives made their kill quota by selecting Polish names out of phone books).

    Mass killing of Poles: over 20,000 Polish POWs executed at Katyn*

    Ethnic cleansing operations (Chechens, etc): 231,000 deaths (official NKVD estimate)

    GULAG deaths: 1,053,829 official deaths for 1934-53. Add in estimates for 1929-33 plus estimates for people who died en route, or while being interrogated, or shortly after being released, and 1.6 million total deaths in the GULAG for 1929-53 is quite likely.

    etc, etc

    *

    Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin (Russian: Васи́лий Миха́йлович Блохи́н, 7 January 1895 – 3 February 1955) was a Soviet Russian Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov, and Lavrentiy Beria.

    Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II.[2] He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940,[2][3] making him the most prolific official executioner and mass murderer in recorded world history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @syonredux

    Syonredux, Cohen said watching "Gone with the Wind" while in flight made him retch. At least the airlines still provide "barf bags". When I read the NYT I have to barf right on the pages.

    , @bomag
    @syonredux

    I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” ...

    Cohen acknowledges here that, despite the "artistic license" caveat, popular culture has a lot to do with what is considered History. We should be careful who controls that medium.

    , @Felix.
    @syonredux

    Today nobody is really aware of it, but I'm sure that it did not escape people at the time that in the great Jew-Gentile struggle of the early 20th century the Jews struck first. The Bolshevik movement was almost entirely dominated by Jewish intellectuals, and Jews formed much of the high, middle, and even low-level Bolshevik functionaries.

    And what did the Bolsheviks do upon attaining absolute power in Russia? They launched upon an unprecedented campaign of terror that saw the murder and torture of tens of millions of ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, and other eastern Europeans unfortunate enough to find themselves in the orbit of their power. The bulk of the Nazis' anti-Semitic efforts came well nigh 20 years after this "first strike." People in Russia are well aware of this history to this day, but in the West the facts behind the annihilation of tens of millions of people remain a complete historical black hole.

    He who controls the present controls the past, and all that jazz. lol

  14. “Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening, for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.”

    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin’ cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW. Clark Gable was not a foreman who wielded the whip over blacks, occasionally stopping to shout “That’s it, you slaves! Pick that cotton, faster, FASTER!” Didn’t happen. Or the scene where Ashley Wilkes nonchalantly leered at some Sally Hemmings house slave and then said “My, but you’re such a sweet young pleasant delightful thing, aren’t you? Would you mind immensely if I left my card and called on you next week? And after all, we’re practically family since, you know, your father is related to my oldest uncle. wink wink.”

    Nope. That scene wasn’t in GWTW either. So Cohen must have watched some other film on the airplane.

    In point of fact, in 2015 few if any commercialized airplanes would have actually showed the three hour plus Oscar winning film for fear of being called racist, getting boycotted by Jesse and Al, etc. Michelle Obama, fresh from her recent expertise of reading out the best winning films at the Academy Awards show would have been all over it, along with a teary eyed speech about how one of her own great-great-great-great grandfathers was born into slavery and bravely tried to hitch a ride on the underground railroad before the bloodhounds caught up to him. GWTW, she’d pitifully intone, just invokes the whole unpleasant memories that she would need at least three weeks from which to fully recover. And, how could an airline company do this in 2015 in America, ’cause “that’s not who we are!”

    The only thing that Cohen may have recalled when he watched GWTW on some late night rerun decades ago, is that Hattie and Butterfly didn’t speak the King’s English, a la “12 Years a Slave”. Because everyone knows that the Ebonics dialect is a myth and a racist one at that. Frankly I’m a bit surprised that the actors playing NWA in “Straight Outta Compton” weren’t cast from the Old Vic Theater or some recent Obie nominated production. Because everyone knows that black folks simply don’t speak that way, namely the way that they did in 1939. So wherever that came from that’s just plum racist.

    • Agree: ben tillman, snorlax
    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin’ cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW.
     
    Gone With The Wind painted a happy picture of slavery. It kind of morally defends slavery as not that bad, which is the offensive part. I find it somewhat offensive and distasteful and I am alt right.

    I hate Gone With the Wind because of the non-racial tragedy (I don't want to spoil it) in the story. If I ever want to feel miserable and terrible about the world I just can think of that movie.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman

    , @Lugash
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It's possible that Cohen watched GWTW on a personal electronic device. But that's still a bit doubtful. The only probable way he could watch it would be on DVD/Bluray, or a rip. And I doubt he knows how to rip discs.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @anon

    , @CJ
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Agree with you there. Gone With the Wind on a airplane? That one has to be a nosestretcher.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Judah Benjamin Hur

    , @BurplesonAFB
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Many in flight entertainment systems now have a catalog of films for you to select and watch. It's possible that GWtW would be an option. Alternately, there is in flight internet and netflix, as well as google play and whatever the apple equivalent where you can purchase films for download.

  15. @Cagey Beast
    OT but related:

    Here's a recent BBC interview with Marion Maréchal Le Pen which, you guessed it, spends lots of time fretting about the legacy of WW2 and anti-Semitism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNA0AyKBV1E

    She describes her grandfather as a "not a conservative but a right-wing anarchist" which sounds right.

    Replies: @syonredux, @AndrewR, @Bill B.

    Whenever I see her, I can’t help but think of Burke:

    It is now sixteen or seventeen years since I saw the queen of France, then the dauphiness, at Versailles; and surely never lighted on this orb, which she hardly seemed to touch, a more delightful vision. I saw her just above the horizon, decorating and cheering the elevated sphere she just began to move in,—glittering like the morning-star, full of life, and splendour, and joy. Oh! what a revolution! and what a heart must I have to contemplate without emotion that elevation and that fall! Little did I dream when she added titles of veneration to those of enthusiastic, distant, respectful love, that she should ever be obliged to carry the sharp antidote against disgrace concealed in that bosom; little did I dream that I should have lived to see such disasters fallen upon her in a nation of gallant men, in a nation of men of honour, and of cavaliers. I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult. But the age of chivalry is gone. That of sophisters, economists, and calculators, has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever. Never, never more shall we behold that generous loyalty to rank and sex, that proud submission, that dignified obedience, that subordination of the heart, which kept alive, even in servitude itself, the spirit of an exalted freedom. The unbought grace of life, the cheap defence of nations, the nurse of manly sentiment and heroic enterprise, is gone! It is gone, that sensibility of principle, that charity of honor, which felt a stain like a wound, which inspired courage whilst it mitigated ferocity, which ennobled whatever it touched, and under which vice itself lost half its evil, by losing all its grossness.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @syonredux

    "...That of sophisters, economists, and calculators, has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever."

    Reminds me of those EU economists a few days ago 'discovering' that mass immigration that poses a sharp existential threat to Western civilisation is OK because a net economic positive.

    Burke of course was writing this even before the royal family was done away with and before the full horrors of the revolution had occurred.

    Replies: @anon

  16. … scapegoating of immigrants is playing with fire … our better angels have sometimes flown the coop.

    It reads like one of the bad examples from “Politics and the English Language”. Isn’t one cliche per sentence enough? Why were angels in a coop?

  17. @iSteveFan

    France is anywhere from 8 to 10 percent Muslim; for Austria, Belgium and Germany, the figure is upward of 5 percent.

    ...

    Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.

     

    So with France at 10 percent muslim; and Austria, Belgium and Germany at 5 percent, it's far too late to keep Europe Christian? Does that mean they should all just give up? It sounds like more of that theory of inevitability crap the Left is always pushing down our throats to get us to submit and stop resisting. It's inevitable after all so stop wasting your time and get on the right side of history.

    I wonder if Mr. Cohen thinks that it's far too late to keep Israel a Jewish state since the muslim population is about 18 percent? If so he ought to tell the Israelis, I don't think they feel it's too late.

    Replies: @Matra, @reiner Tor

    In the 1950s Algeria was as Christian (about 10%) as he says France is Muslim today. Most of those Christians also had deeper roots in Algeria than Muslims do in l’Hexagone. Yet by 1963 Algeria was close to 100% Muslim. Evidently the Algerians didn’t understand this inevitability argument.

    Cohen: On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    I watched it again on TV just last week. No retching to report.

    • Replies: @Beach
    @Matra


    Cohen: On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    I watched it again on TV just last week. No retching to report.
     
    Cohen is signaling his moral nobility to his fellows of higher mind.

    Replies: @Big Bill

  18. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.”

    I didn’t know Air CSA showed movies. I thought they had minstrel shows instead. Or is that just up in General Lee Class?

    Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    Sure it wasn’t the chitterlings? Ask for the kosher bento box next time.

  19. The leading Republican presidential candidate struts like a martinet and has taken on the persona, if not the rhetoric, of a hater

    Listen to his guy. “OMG my Jew nose can totally smell Hitler.”

    while the leader of Germany, an altogether humble woman of clear moral vision, is performing in the Western tradition of enlightened tolerance. How did we lose this war? …

    “Gee, if only all of the goyim could have lost the war…”

    What if she denounced the migrants as rapists and criminals — concluding, of course, with the oily lie that, as harsh it may sound, it is the truth?

    “Oily lie,” lol.

    Look, she could say, it has been done — a wall down the middle of Berlin, separating east from west, and it worked. …

    When a wall protects the Soviet Union’s interests, we’ll put up with it forever. When a wall protects Israel’s interests, it’s Necessary. When walls protect Whites’ interests, they cannot exist even in theory.

    She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.

    Unlike those mature Israelis, who are wonderful at dealing with their Palestinian minority and would never build any walls, erect an Apartheid state, build segregated roads, carpet bomb Palestinian cities, etc.

    Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.

    Jewish Israel staying secular and using ethnic religion as a fig leaf = a-okay. Whites staying secular and using ethnic fig leaf = bad Bad BAD.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    “Oily lie,” lol.
     
    Wasn't Oily Lie acting prime minister of Norway at one point?

    Listen to his guy. “OMG my Jew nose can totally smell Hitler.”
     
    But Ivanka's husband can't. Someone send him a neti pot.

    By the way, what's the difference between a neti pot and waterboarding?

    Replies: @ErikM, @Mr. Anon

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Svigor

    Nothing makes Cohen angrier than a politician who wants to keep his country European and Christian.

    , @neon2
    @Svigor

    "if only all of the goyim could have lost the war".

    Svigor, can't you see, after seventy years of an increasingly precipitous decline of the historic, Christian West, that that is precisely what did happen?

  20. At bottom, the difference between the leading Republican candidate and the leading German is an appreciation of history. Merkel knows that the new Europe skates on the thinnest of ice. She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.

    Which is one of two reasons — each sufficient in itself — why people of good will oppose the creation of minority populations in Europe.

    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @ben tillman

    Well said.


    She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.
     
    So the obvious solution is to import even more minorities into Europe. What could possibly go wrong?

    As our venerable host is fond of saying, "When you find yourself in a hole....."
  21. The following is a revised version of an interview between George Soros and Gregor Peter Schmitz of the German magazineWirtschaftsWoche.

    ‘The EU Is on the Verge of Collapse’—An Interview

  22. @Bert
    Cohen has also been vehemently advocating for starting a humanitarian war in Syria.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @hhsiii

    “Cohen has also been vehemently advocating for starting a humanitarian war in Syria.”

    And that’s how you know that Cohen is a real humanitarian – his desire to start a humanitarian war. War is a very humanitarian enterprise.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Mr. Anon

    He's just making an omelette, ya know.

  23. Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.

    Big difference between being post-Christian and being Muslim….

    Merkel knows that the new Europe skates on the thinnest of ice.

    So why import trouble?

    She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.

    Might want to look into how things went in Israel during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War….Things like the Deir Yassin massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

    She knows that ethnic peace has been achieved by ethnic cleansing and population transfers that the Nazis and the Soviets initiated and the World War II victors continued.

    Again, might want to delve into the ’48 War…..

    Winston Churchill had it about right when he told the House of Commons in 1944 that “expulsion is the method which, insofar as we have been able to see, will be the most satisfactory and lasting. There will be no mixture of populations to cause endless trouble. . . . A clean sweep will be made.”

    That clean sweep is now being unmade.

    Last time that I checked, the Israelis seemed quite keen on making sure that the Arabs who left in ’48 aren’t going to be allowed back in.See, the Jews in Israel believe in Jewish Supremacy in Israel….

    And, hey, while we’re discussing rectifying past injustices, what about Turkey? The Greek presence in Anatolia goes back thousands of years, but , during the period 1919- 1922, Anatolia was ruthlessly cleansed of Ethnic Greeks. Approx 400,000 Greeks died….

  24. What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he’s just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.

    Careful, that’s an ethnicity you’re talking about, there.

    So Cohen must have watched some other film on the airplane.

    You misapprehend Cohen entirely. It’s the goy schmaltz that made him wretch. Kosher schmaltz (Gone With the Wind (or silence) vis-a-vis Israel, and Roots and 12 Years a Slave for Whites) is wonderful. One wonders how he’d find 12 Years a Palestinian.

  25. This is the same Richard Cohen with this in his Wikipedia entry:

    “Cohen wrote a column in 1986 which argued owners of jewelry stores were right to refuse to allow entry to young black men because of a fear of crime. This column led to the Washington Post’s having to apologize.”

    Perhaps he is trying to rehabilitate himself among polite opinion?

  26. This theme of Germany trying to work out its own redemption for its sordid 20th-century deeds by opening their borders is taken up by David Goldman, aka Spengler, in this article.

    I agree with Goldman’s thesis, so far as it goes, but as many of my previous comments have indicated, I think this self-aggrandizing but self-destructive urge — i.e. prideful post-Christians thinking they can act as saviors — is much more widespread.

  27. @Svigor

    The leading Republican presidential candidate struts like a martinet and has taken on the persona, if not the rhetoric, of a hater
     
    Listen to his guy. "OMG my Jew nose can totally smell Hitler."

    while the leader of Germany, an altogether humble woman of clear moral vision, is performing in the Western tradition of enlightened tolerance. How did we lose this war? …
     
    "Gee, if only all of the goyim could have lost the war..."

    What if she denounced the migrants as rapists and criminals — concluding, of course, with the oily lie that, as harsh it may sound, it is the truth?
     
    "Oily lie," lol.

    Look, she could say, it has been done — a wall down the middle of Berlin, separating east from west, and it worked. …
     
    When a wall protects the Soviet Union's interests, we'll put up with it forever. When a wall protects Israel's interests, it's Necessary. When walls protect Whites' interests, they cannot exist even in theory.

    She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.
     
    Unlike those mature Israelis, who are wonderful at dealing with their Palestinian minority and would never build any walls, erect an Apartheid state, build segregated roads, carpet bomb Palestinian cities, etc.

    Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.
     
    Jewish Israel staying secular and using ethnic religion as a fig leaf = a-okay. Whites staying secular and using ethnic fig leaf = bad Bad BAD.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123, @neon2

    “Oily lie,” lol.

    Wasn’t Oily Lie acting prime minister of Norway at one point?

    Listen to his guy. “OMG my Jew nose can totally smell Hitler.”

    But Ivanka’s husband can’t. Someone send him a neti pot.

    By the way, what’s the difference between a neti pot and waterboarding?

    • Replies: @ErikM
    @Reg Cæsar


    Wasn’t Oily Lie acting prime minister of Norway at one point?
     
    Close. You're probably thinking of Trygve Lie, born 1896 to Martin Lie and Hulda Lie, briefly acting prime minister in 1942, later to be elected the first Secretary-General of the United Nations in 1946. Lies place is named for him.

    Might also be a misspelling of Odvar Nordlie who was prime minister 1976-1981. And while we're at it with the funny such names, Jens Bratlie in 1912-1913.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "By the way, what’s the difference between a neti pot and waterboarding?"

    A neti-pot clears up your sinuses and makes you feel a lot better. Also, as far as I know, approval of the neti-pot has not been deemed by Fox News to be a litmus test for patriotism.

  28. Okay, well, obviously Cohen was motivated by the common It’s Always 1933 in Europe fetish

    It’s often assumed this is a Jewish thing. I suppose it is to some extent, but you see it everywhere. In the American mind, history started with Hitler. I suspect if you asked most Americans to plot events on a timeline, 99% of human history would be crowded around a point just before you know who came to power.

    I suspect the reason for this has less to do with the Jews and more to do with the fact there are no iterations of Rousseau-ist philosophy that don’t end in authoritarianism. That was the story of the 20th century and now the 21st century. The New Religion has led to a dead end. That’s why the elites are obsessed with rewriting and recreating history.

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Z Blog

    That would be why they are equally obsessed with the millions murdered by the Bolsheviks?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @The Z Blog

    "It’s often assumed this is a Jewish thing. I suppose it is to some extent, but you see it everywhere. In the American mind, history started with Hitler. I suspect if you asked most Americans to plot events on a timeline, 99% of human history would be crowded around a point just before you know who came to power.

    I suspect the reason for this has less to do with the Jews and more to do with the fact there are no iterations of Rousseau-ist philosophy that don’t end in authoritarianism. "

    And you don't imagine it has anything to do with jewish predominance in the media, and of them using that to set their ethnic concerns and grievances front-and-center in the national agenda?

  29. Wasn’t Oily Lie acting prime minister of Norway at one point?

    I was thinking of the great Roman, Oleaginus Iudaeus Mendacius.

  30. Sorry, make that Oleaginus Iudaeus Mendax. I always get those two mixed up.

    neti pot

    You miss so much when you stop watching TV.

  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, Steve, trying to compare genetic population similarities with y chromosomes can give thoroughly misleading results. In order to judge the relatedness of populations, it is autosomal DNA which is the key. On this measure, if we take ‘identity by descent’ common genomic sequences as a guide, the Poles and Germans have a close genetic relation to each other, as surprising as it might seem to some, but then again it’s not really surprising given that there is no real geographical border between Germany and Poland.

    Strangely enough, the typically Polish y DNA haplotype r1a1a is abundantly frequent in Pakistan and India. This has been held as evidence of the reality of the Veduc Aryan invasion of India, by a population, it has been surmised, that originated in the vicinity of present day Poland/Ukraine.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Anonymous


    In order to judge the relatedness of populations, it is autosomal DNA which is the key.
     
    That's true, but then there's the question of selection pressures, which could well have been somewhat different among Poles than Germans. This could mean that even though they are very similar genetically, there could be significant differences between them caused by genetics...
  32. @Matra
    @iSteveFan

    In the 1950s Algeria was as Christian (about 10%) as he says France is Muslim today. Most of those Christians also had deeper roots in Algeria than Muslims do in l'Hexagone. Yet by 1963 Algeria was close to 100% Muslim. Evidently the Algerians didn't understand this inevitability argument.

    Cohen: On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    I watched it again on TV just last week. No retching to report.

    Replies: @Beach

    Cohen: On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    I watched it again on TV just last week. No retching to report.

    Cohen is signaling his moral nobility to his fellows of higher mind.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Beach

    Why on earth would a normal, healthy, adult male spend hours watching a movie that makes him retch?

    Given its length, Gone with the Wind seems particularly inefficient.

    Richard, for your next retching movie I highly recommend "Two Girls, One Cup".

  33. There seems to be a growing urge among Establishment voices to demonize as immoral the desire to let sleeping dogs lie.

    Yeah, the “Establishment” really does have that problem. Unlike the Dissident Right which displays such healthy acceptance of the outcome of all Arab/Israeli wars to date

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @noticer

    Do you think altrighters would care for Israel at all if... ah, nevermind. All you ever need to know is that altrighters are evil.

    , @anon
    @noticer

    Unlike the Dissident Right which displays such healthy acceptance of the outcome of all Arab/Israeli wars to date.

    All of the Arab/Israeli wars to date aren't really "sleeping dogs", though. Germany and Poland have both accepted their current borders and have stopped fighting about them.

  34. Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening, for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth.

    Who ran the Bolshevik concentration camps in the 1920s?

    • Agree: Bill
  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I used to say that to my friend Osama back when we were growing up, “Just let filthy flea-bitten sleepingdogs lie, man,” but he wasn’t ever hearing it, probably cuz he was a Establishment too. Many jihads later, here we are and infidels in charge are still a PITA… At least there’s been a stylistic renaissance in decapitation videos; on the old crap Zionist Betacam handheld kind it was too shaky to even tell what’s going on, horrible color fidelity as well

  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    That article by Roger Cohen is as wring as wrong can be. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Spectacularly wrong. Ass-over-tit wrong.

    The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not ‘diverse’), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief. To quote a phrase ‘it’s like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre’.
    Any Roger Cohen should know. Just look at Israel/Palestine.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Anonymous

    Wrong R. Cohen.

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Desiderius
    @Anonymous


    To quote a phrase ‘it’s like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre’.
     
    No, like Denethor, the pyre is for their sons, and for similar (ir)reasons.
    , @Kylie
    @Anonymous

    "The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not ‘diverse’), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief. To quote a phrase ‘it’s like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre’."

    No, it's more like watching a nation's elites working as a herd of Judas goats herding the German sheeple to their doom.

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @Anonymous


    The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not ‘diverse’), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief.
     
    Arguably a majority of the German people don't want to do this. There is organized elite suppression of opposition opinion.
  37. Because Hitler.

    Hitler literally functions as their anti-Christ.

    They might as well wear WWHD (What Would Hitler Do?) bracelets. The only difference being that they then do what they imagine to be the opposite instead of imitating him.

  38. @Reg Cæsar

    We incarcerated Japanese Americans during World War II...
     
    No, "we" didn't. Franklin Roosevelt (along with Earl Warren) did. Take him off the damn dime if it really bothers you. I kind of miss Mercury.

    locked our doors to desperate European Jews running from Hitler...
     
    That had to be FDR, too. No one else was in power during Hitler's years.

    enslaved black people and held them in peonage...
     
    That was Democrats. They can pay the reparations.

    and nearly eradicated the Native Americans.
     
    We are the native Americans.

    The answer, my friend
    is Cohen blowin' wind,
    the answer is Cohen blowin' wind

    As Weyl and Possony pointed out over fifty years ago, the Cohens were the less successful priests. Though they do make fine figure skaters and comedians.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Corvinus

    How many refugees does Israel take? Let Cohen answer that question.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The responding argument will be that Israel is a "nation of refugees" just as the ADL had JFK say that we are a "nation of immigrants". And they would not be far off on the former, the creation of Israel caused equal waves of Arab refugees leaving, and Jewish refugees being expelled from Arab countries.

    With an Arab Muslim population at several times the proportion of any European country, he can claim Israelis are more "tolerant". Of course, its helpful to note that Cohen doesn't actually live in Israel, and is more interested in destroying our people than saving his.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  39. @Svigor

    The leading Republican presidential candidate struts like a martinet and has taken on the persona, if not the rhetoric, of a hater
     
    Listen to his guy. "OMG my Jew nose can totally smell Hitler."

    while the leader of Germany, an altogether humble woman of clear moral vision, is performing in the Western tradition of enlightened tolerance. How did we lose this war? …
     
    "Gee, if only all of the goyim could have lost the war..."

    What if she denounced the migrants as rapists and criminals — concluding, of course, with the oily lie that, as harsh it may sound, it is the truth?
     
    "Oily lie," lol.

    Look, she could say, it has been done — a wall down the middle of Berlin, separating east from west, and it worked. …
     
    When a wall protects the Soviet Union's interests, we'll put up with it forever. When a wall protects Israel's interests, it's Necessary. When walls protect Whites' interests, they cannot exist even in theory.

    She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.
     
    Unlike those mature Israelis, who are wonderful at dealing with their Palestinian minority and would never build any walls, erect an Apartheid state, build segregated roads, carpet bomb Palestinian cities, etc.

    Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.
     
    Jewish Israel staying secular and using ethnic religion as a fig leaf = a-okay. Whites staying secular and using ethnic fig leaf = bad Bad BAD.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123, @neon2

    Nothing makes Cohen angrier than a politician who wants to keep his country European and Christian.

  40. Would Cohen’s angst over Europe’s problem with ‘displaced peoples’ be the same if it had happened in 1940 instead of 1945? Let’s say that instead of Hitler tossing his enemies in camps he had expelled them so that along the French coast there were a million or more Germans, Austrians, Volga Germans and others desperately seeking refuge in Britain. That 71% of the ‘refugees’ were males mostly of military age. That Churchill did a Merkel and allowed them in though he had no way to ‘vet’ their political views or reason for wanting ‘asylum’.

    Would Cohen approve knowing that many of these asylum seekers might actually be Nazis seeking to infiltrate the UK and form an active resistance to the British war effort? The Battle of Britain could not have been won if Hitler had a large 5th column of German ‘refugees’ on the ground in England.

    While a formal state of war does not ( yet ) exist between the nations of Europe and the Islamic world that owes more to the nature of modern conflict between Islam and the West not to the lack of conflict. Combating Hitler’s newly minted political ideology was child’s play as compared to rooting out 14 centuries of religious and cultural history from the people of the middle east.

  41. I just finished reading a book about the Hapsburg Empire, Danubia. My conclusion is that if you’re from central or east central Europe and someone doesn’t dislike you, your ancestors just weren’t trying. Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough (although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness. And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness.

    • Replies: @rvg
    @Diversity Heretic

    Would you sing the same tune over Han Chinese mass buying of properties in the Iberian peninsula?

    , @Wilkey
    @Diversity Heretic

    "Maybe we should call it the Inglourious Basterdization of elite opinion: the urge is growing to go back into the past and Kill Hitler (and, okay, to be fair about it, Stalin, too)."

    I never got the urge to "go back in time to kill Hitler." Haven't these people ever heard of the butterfly effect?

    The birth circumstances of pretty much everyone on the planet born post-1945 were affected by WW2. Ergo, traveling back in time to the 1930s to kill Hitler and to save the world from WW2 and the Holocaust would cause a real, new holocaust taking the lives of nearly all of the 7 billion people alive today. Granted, there would still probably be ~7 billion people on the planet, but virtually all of them would be different people.

    That's one big ass butterfly.

    , @Wilkey
    @Diversity Heretic

    "Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness."

    I think the concept of the narcissism of small differences applies here. The rivalries between groups with very few real differences between them will pale in comparison (in some ways literally - e.g., skin color) to the differences between them and the new arrivals, and the original rivalries will, in theory, evaporate. More likely, though, it won't be enough to eliminate all distrust between the original groups.

    What the establishment is doing is introducing a new group to Balkanize the population and keep the people from ever unifying against them. We keep hearing allusions to the Holocaust, but what they're really afraid of is another French Revolution.


    "And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness."

    We just learned about Rotherham roughly, oh, yesterday. I was not aware that ethnic tensions in England and France had calmed down any in the very brief interim since.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Diversity Heretic

    , @Big Bill
    @Diversity Heretic

    We used to have a term for turning homogeneous polities into a squabbling morass of ethnicities. Not "diversifying" but "balkanizing".

    Replies: @ben tillman

  42. Leftist conservative [AKA "bow down before me"] says:

    this Cohen fellow is just defending the corporate profits that will be born of more mass immigration, and when it comes to defending corporate profits, any and all tactics are available, at least as far as the “socialist” media is concerned.

    What? You didn’t know that generating propaganda in defense of corporate profits is “socialist”? Get with the times!

    • Replies: @CJ
    @Leftist conservative

    What? You didn’t know that generating propaganda in defense of corporate profits is “socialist”? Get with the times!

    I have trouble adjusting to that one myself, no matter how often it appears. Too much exposure to 1970s leftism, probably.

  43. While retching over GWTW, one thought that apparently didn’t occur to Cohen is that asking Greeks, Sicilians, and Spaniards to embrace the return of Islam is like asking American Blacks to celebrate the reemergence of the Confederacy. I guess some people have a history of suffering that demands respect, while others just don’t. Who, whom? Sucka!

  44. @Anon
    Should Europe be Jordanized?

    Jordanian population is 80% Palestinian because of the Nakba.

    Cohen-ian logic applied to history goes as follows.

    Jewish policy driving out 800,00o Palestinians: necessary and progressive.

    But....

    suppose Jordan had refused to take in Palestinian refugees caused by Zionist policy.

    Why, Jordanians would have been like the Nazis.

    Jordan had to pay the demographic price for Zionist actions.

    And how does Cohenian logic work today?

    Zionist-Globalist foreign policy messes up Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, & Syria and leads to the deaths of 100,00os and the displacement of millions of people: No Problem! It's just spreading democracy and western values.

    But...

    If Europeans say NO to this deluge? They are like Nazis.

    Cohenian logic in action.

    If Cohen takes over someone's house, steals all the property, and kicks him out into the cold, that is not a problem. If anything, we should praise Cohen and defend his action.

    But if you won't take in this homeless victim of Cohen, YOU are the Nazi.

    What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he's just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.

    -------------

    What should recent Western policy toward the Middle East be called?

    Mega-nakba, affecting pretty much all Arabs and Muslims in the region.

    Replies: @tbraton, @Felix., @biz

    George Will has been saying for years (and, for all I know, still does) that the Palestinians should be evicted from the West Bank because “they already have a homeland—it’s called Jordan” (or words to that effect).

  45. Mr. Cohens story will refute itself. The only think we need to do is stick it in his face every now and then. Especially at every attack on a Jews in Europe.

    But the Polish border thing is rather interesting. First, I’d say Y-DNA doesn’t define race or genetic differences. It literally only defines genealogy. Otherwise we should call the Hausa from Chad white.

    But nevertheless it is interesting. Pity it’s behind a pay wall.

    We suggest here that the pronounced population differentiation between the two geographically neighbouring countries, Poland and Germany, is the consequence of very recent events in human population history, namely the forced human resettlement of many millions of Germans and Poles during and, especially, shortly after World War II.

    The resettled were mostly Eastern Poles from parts Poland lost to the USSR (Stalin got to keep the part of Poland he got from Molotov-Ribbentopf). But there still are remainders of the pre-war German Silesian population. Especially around Oppeln, where a number of communities are officially bilingual. However, I would like to see if an eastern signal was found in the Polish border population.

  46. @Anonymous
    That article by Roger Cohen is as wring as wrong can be. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Spectacularly wrong. Ass-over-tit wrong.

    The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not 'diverse'), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief. To quote a phrase 'it's like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre'.
    Any Roger Cohen should know. Just look at Israel/Palestine.

    Replies: @5371, @Desiderius, @Kylie, @Massimo Heitor

    Wrong R. Cohen.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @5371

    Yes, but in fairness given how many Cohens there are in the MSM and the similarities in their viewpoints the confusion is understandable.

  47. @The Z Blog

    Okay, well, obviously Cohen was motivated by the common It’s Always 1933 in Europe fetish
     
    It's often assumed this is a Jewish thing. I suppose it is to some extent, but you see it everywhere. In the American mind, history started with Hitler. I suspect if you asked most Americans to plot events on a timeline, 99% of human history would be crowded around a point just before you know who came to power.

    I suspect the reason for this has less to do with the Jews and more to do with the fact there are no iterations of Rousseau-ist philosophy that don't end in authoritarianism. That was the story of the 20th century and now the 21st century. The New Religion has led to a dead end. That's why the elites are obsessed with rewriting and recreating history.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon

    That would be why they are equally obsessed with the millions murdered by the Bolsheviks?

  48. As a German, I’m rather enamoured with Mr. Cohen’s point of view. He doesn’t single out Hitler and Stalin but includes Churchill (expressively!) and “the victours” of 1945. A little step for humanity, but a bold step for a Jew.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Stogumber

    Umm, reads to me like he's anti-Churchill and anti-Stalin because they didn't finish the job and praising Merkel because she is.

  49. @syonredux
    @Cagey Beast

    Whenever I see her, I can't help but think of Burke:


    It is now sixteen or seventeen years since I saw the queen of France, then the dauphiness, at Versailles; and surely never lighted on this orb, which she hardly seemed to touch, a more delightful vision. I saw her just above the horizon, decorating and cheering the elevated sphere she just began to move in,—glittering like the morning-star, full of life, and splendour, and joy. Oh! what a revolution! and what a heart must I have to contemplate without emotion that elevation and that fall! Little did I dream when she added titles of veneration to those of enthusiastic, distant, respectful love, that she should ever be obliged to carry the sharp antidote against disgrace concealed in that bosom; little did I dream that I should have lived to see such disasters fallen upon her in a nation of gallant men, in a nation of men of honour, and of cavaliers. I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult. But the age of chivalry is gone. That of sophisters, economists, and calculators, has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever. Never, never more shall we behold that generous loyalty to rank and sex, that proud submission, that dignified obedience, that subordination of the heart, which kept alive, even in servitude itself, the spirit of an exalted freedom. The unbought grace of life, the cheap defence of nations, the nurse of manly sentiment and heroic enterprise, is gone! It is gone, that sensibility of principle, that charity of honor, which felt a stain like a wound, which inspired courage whilst it mitigated ferocity, which ennobled whatever it touched, and under which vice itself lost half its evil, by losing all its grossness.
     

    Replies: @Bill B.

    “…That of sophisters, economists, and calculators, has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever.”

    Reminds me of those EU economists a few days ago ‘discovering’ that mass immigration that poses a sharp existential threat to Western civilisation is OK because a net economic positive.

    Burke of course was writing this even before the royal family was done away with and before the full horrors of the revolution had occurred.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @anon
    @Bill B.


    mass immigration that poses a sharp existential threat to Western civilisation is OK because a net economic positive.
     
    It's always worth repeating one of the biggest cons in the stats when this comes up.

    Professionals from other western countries are included and by definition high-earning professionals will be a net positive so for example
    - 500k Brit professionals in France
    - 500k French professionals in UK
    (or whatever the actual numbers are) will more or less cancel out in terms of economic impact but they all count in the immigration stats so in each individual country they add a hugely positive number to the economic impact of immigrants.

    By contrast the worst immigrant groups are massively negative in every way (on average) but this is hidden by being cancelled out by the ones making a positive contribution.

    The economic argument is plainly a lie so the people who claim to want mass immigration for economic reasons have either fallen for the con or want it for some other reason - like revenge on the Germans.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  50. @Diversity Heretic
    I just finished reading a book about the Hapsburg Empire, Danubia. My conclusion is that if you're from central or east central Europe and someone doesn't dislike you, your ancestors just weren't trying. Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough (although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness. And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness.

    Replies: @rvg, @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Big Bill

    Would you sing the same tune over Han Chinese mass buying of properties in the Iberian peninsula?

  51. I’ll go out on a limb and guess that Europeans don’t wait for Richard Cohen articles to be published before deciding on public policy. What’s really offensive is his attack on the film Gone With the Wind. The film is under such a siege that I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes de facto banned. We could see a time where you won’t able to stream or purchase it. I encourage everyone to buy a hard copy of GWTW before it’s too late.

    Gone With the Wind is an example of the kind of excellence that could be expected when Jews really controlled Hollywood. It was totally David O. Selznick’s baby.

    Btw, Olivia de Havilland will celebrate her 100th birthday on July 1.

  52. But you can go out to the disco with a woman here,” adds Johanna brightly. “Although remember, even if she dances with you very closely and is wearing a short skirt, that doesn’t mean she wants to have sex with you.”

    A Somali teenager pulls his woolly hat over his ears and cradles his head in his hands as if his brain can’t cope with all this new information.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35353310

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    “Oily lie,” lol.
     
    Wasn't Oily Lie acting prime minister of Norway at one point?

    Listen to his guy. “OMG my Jew nose can totally smell Hitler.”
     
    But Ivanka's husband can't. Someone send him a neti pot.

    By the way, what's the difference between a neti pot and waterboarding?

    Replies: @ErikM, @Mr. Anon

    Wasn’t Oily Lie acting prime minister of Norway at one point?

    Close. You’re probably thinking of Trygve Lie, born 1896 to Martin Lie and Hulda Lie, briefly acting prime minister in 1942, later to be elected the first Secretary-General of the United Nations in 1946. Lies place is named for him.

    Might also be a misspelling of Odvar Nordlie who was prime minister 1976-1981. And while we’re at it with the funny such names, Jens Bratlie in 1912-1913.

  54. Here we go again.

    Another dorky jerkoff whines that Ethan is a ‘waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacist’.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/22/john-ford-and-the-politics-of-the-western/

  55. • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    In the picture of her at that linked article, Merkel looks like a sad baby. Come to think of it, she usually does.

  56. @Bert
    Cohen has also been vehemently advocating for starting a humanitarian war in Syria.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @hhsiii

    There’s already a war going on there. He must mean a war to stop the war.

  57. People talk here all the time about Japan, Japan’s economy is basically in a coma.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-growth

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp

    In nominal terms according to market exchange rates, Japan’s GDP in 2014 is no greater than what it was in 1993, if Japan’s population to 70 million, think of how much smaller its GDP would be, compared to China, Germany, US, India, or Korea.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @rvg

    Well, it was and still is high enough, so why should they need a higher GDP? It's not a contest. Japan's population will be better off with a smaller GDP all for themselves than with a bigger GDP they'd have to share with tens of millions of immigrants.

    , @Sleep
    @rvg

    I'm not an economist, but I've long found it interesting how Japan completely missed the boat with computers in the early 1990s, and then with cellphones in the 2000's. They still dominate a lot of consumer electronics industries, and of course they still have their automobile industry, but for some reason they just didn't seem interested in investing in "new" technologies despite being given much opportunity to do so.

    Korea by contrast has already grabbed a large share of the US cellphone market (LG, Pantech, and the big one: Samsung, are all Korean companies) and a sizable fraction of the rest of the US consumer electronics market (again largely via LG and Samsung). China is still growing.

    Taiwan is now richer, in PPP per capita income, than Japan. Korea is rising slowly but surely to meet them. Both Taiwan and Korea may have caught up to Japan earlier if not for their military spending and its associated problems.

    I agree of course that immigration and birthrates are not the problem with Japan, as the relative success of Korea and Taiwan have shown. Both of those nations have very low birthrates, and have had such for long enough that they are already closing elementary schools all over the place, and they also both have nearly no permanent and very little temporary foreign residence, yet their economies have been booming for fifty years.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anonymous

    , @ben tillman
    @rvg


    People talk here all the time about Japan, Japan’s economy is basically in a coma.
     
    Sorry, not interested.
  58. @Auntie Analogue

    "Donald Trump is rebuked by Angela Merkel. She has the political gravitas that he lacks and the respect for history that he disdains."

     

    Mr. Cohen's "respect for history" seems to lack so much as a scintilla of grasp of fourteen centuries of Islam's bloody aggressive wars of conquest, Islam's genocide of Armenians and other races, and Islam's still-imposed slavery, intolerance, stigmatization, humiliation and extortion of other faiths in Moslem lands. Perhaps by attempting to enter Saudi Arabia while wearing a kippah and Star of David pendant Mr. Cohen might test Islamic "tolerance"?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Buffalo Joe

    He must dream of becoming another Maimonides at Cordoba. While forgetting that neither the Muslims or Christians really loved the conviviencia.

  59. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Reg Cæsar

    How many refugees does Israel take? Let Cohen answer that question.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    The responding argument will be that Israel is a “nation of refugees” just as the ADL had JFK say that we are a “nation of immigrants”. And they would not be far off on the former, the creation of Israel caused equal waves of Arab refugees leaving, and Jewish refugees being expelled from Arab countries.

    With an Arab Muslim population at several times the proportion of any European country, he can claim Israelis are more “tolerant”. Of course, its helpful to note that Cohen doesn’t actually live in Israel, and is more interested in destroying our people than saving his.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Maj. Kong


    Of course, its helpful to note that Cohen doesn’t actually live in Israel, and is more interested in destroying our people than saving his.
     
    Which is why Jews who actually do care for Israel (i.e. whose priority is Israel and not the destruction of gentile whites) are actually better than this liberal secular (often half-)breed.
  60. @Orthodox
    Yes. Poland should be allowed to take East Germany.

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Anon 2, @SFG

    there are already people in Saxony who want separation and others who want to build up against the fence between eastern and western Germany. Also there are surely some people in Poland who start to figure out that Russians might not be their biggest problem but rather the EU.
    I am slowly converging to the world view of Putin, who said the fall of the Sowjet Union was a huge geopolitical catastrophe.
    At some point there needs to be a border between western and eastern Europe, separating afro-arabic, demographically expanding (Lebensraum?), economically dwindling and always a step before civil war western europe from eastern Europe. The relevant question is: where will this border be drawn? Russia and Belorussia will surely be on the safe side, will Poland be? Will Eastern Germany be?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Erik Sieven

    I am slowly converging to the world view of Putin, who said the fall of the Soviet Union was a huge geopolitical catastrophe.

    Yes, in part because it seems to have freed the US up to go completely insane.

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Erik Sieven

    " Russia and Belorussia will surely be on the safe side,"

    Check Russian demographic prognoses. They are full of muslimity (if such word exists).

    Replies: @Erik Sieven

  61. What if she denounced the migrants as rapists and criminals — concluding, of course, with the oily lie that, as harsh it may sound, it is the truth?

    Twenty years ago, he’d still be able to say it was an “oily lie”, back when MSM controlled the narrative. They did their best to cover up the migrant rape spree until their hand was forced when the cybersphere was blitzed with eye-witness accounts of what happened. In the good old days, Roger Cohen could call immigration sceptics liars, and Sabrina Rubin Erdely could pretend that the biggest rape threat was from white fraternity boys. It’s just disappointing that more people don’t see the light, despite the better flow of information.

  62. French PM Manuel Valls says refugee crisis is ‘destabilising’ Europe

    If Europe is not capable of protecting its own borders, it’s the very idea of Europe that will be questioned,” – Manuel Valls PM of France

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/22/french-pm-manuel-valls-says-refugee-crisis-is-destabilising-europe#comments

    Manuel Valls seemed to spend most of last few years bringing sedition charges against a certain Franco-Cameroonian comedian.

    South Park style cartoon featuring PM Valls:

  63. The treatment of Germans after WWII was an indefensible horror. This creep, typically for his type quoting Churchill, suggests it was all a jolly good thing. They truly hate Europe.

  64. “Cohen.”

    That is all.

  65. I thought we were making such progress in the MSM. Then this article comes out and it’s basically the greatest hits collection for the lugenpresse. I’ve heard of blackface as a form of show, and this must be a form of liberalface. I’m having trouble understanding that he could still write stuff like this seriously and be published by his editor.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Romanian

    This is a flashback to an article from September.

    Replies: @Romanian

  66. Good god. Cohen demonstrates, in the clearest possible manner, why the wrong side won the war.

  67. @Cagey Beast
    OT but related:

    Here's a recent BBC interview with Marion Maréchal Le Pen which, you guessed it, spends lots of time fretting about the legacy of WW2 and anti-Semitism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNA0AyKBV1E

    She describes her grandfather as a "not a conservative but a right-wing anarchist" which sounds right.

    Replies: @syonredux, @AndrewR, @Bill B.

    So Jews are turning in their graves because Marion has a good relationship with her grandfather, whose opinions she very publicly criticizes?

    What does the BBC want? What do Jews want? For people to disown kin with non-kosher opinions? Goddamn I am pissed.

    Don’t get me started on the claim that a few hoodlums desecrating a cemetary is almost as outrageous as murdering over 100 people in cold blood.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @AndrewR

    The entire Le Pen family could retire from politics, the Front National could disband after issuing an apology urbi et orbi to all Jews living, dead and not yet born and it would still not be enough. Political correctness (or cultural Marxism) is a cult that offers no redemption, as someone else on the web wisely said.

    , @Anonymous
    @AndrewR

    While I agree with your sentiment in general, I will point out that the Carpentras cemetery desecration that occurred in 1990 was particularly shocking and repulsive. The neo-Nazi hoodlums dug up the most recently interred body, impaled it in the chest with an umbrella, and stuck a spade handle in its anus. You may not like Jews, but French Jews do have reason to fear both the Muslims and the far right.

  68. Sailer wrote about the elite’s urge to “go back into the past and Kill Hitler (and, okay, to be fair about it, Stalin, too).”

    No, I’m not seeing much lumping of the superevil Hitler with ol’ eggs-and-omlets Stalin, among respectable opinionators.

    The first time that a movie celebratings the triumphs of an unapologetic Hitlerist screenwriter garners an Oscar nomination, I’ll change my view.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @ic1000

    Yeah, I don't see those people as desiring to go back into the past and kill Stalin. The Czar, maybe.

    , @Rob McX
    @ic1000

    You're talking about the Trumbo film, right? Not alone is it up for an Oscar, but Trumbo himself was awarded two Oscars for screenwriting. They even took the trouble of giving him one of them posthumously in 1993 because it had originally been awarded to a front writer.

  69. Josh says: • Website

    Free movie idea. Israeli scientists invent a time machine which they, of course, plan to use to go back and murder Hitler. They make several attempts at assassinating the young Hitler, each time failing. Perhaps they could even recruit the help of contemporary Jewish elites in finance and communism after demonstrating their boba fides. Hitler develops a mistrust of Jews and a belief in elaborate Jewish conspiracies. He comes to power as more people are convinced that he is right. The Jews thus precipitate the holocaust by their own ethnocentric paranoia and consequencialist ethics. A chance for some incredibly subversive political commentary.

  70. @Diversity Heretic
    I just finished reading a book about the Hapsburg Empire, Danubia. My conclusion is that if you're from central or east central Europe and someone doesn't dislike you, your ancestors just weren't trying. Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough (although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness. And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness.

    Replies: @rvg, @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Big Bill

    “Maybe we should call it the Inglourious Basterdization of elite opinion: the urge is growing to go back into the past and Kill Hitler (and, okay, to be fair about it, Stalin, too).”

    I never got the urge to “go back in time to kill Hitler.” Haven’t these people ever heard of the butterfly effect?

    The birth circumstances of pretty much everyone on the planet born post-1945 were affected by WW2. Ergo, traveling back in time to the 1930s to kill Hitler and to save the world from WW2 and the Holocaust would cause a real, new holocaust taking the lives of nearly all of the 7 billion people alive today. Granted, there would still probably be ~7 billion people on the planet, but virtually all of them would be different people.

    That’s one big ass butterfly.

  71. @iSteveFan

    France is anywhere from 8 to 10 percent Muslim; for Austria, Belgium and Germany, the figure is upward of 5 percent.

    ...

    Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.

     

    So with France at 10 percent muslim; and Austria, Belgium and Germany at 5 percent, it's far too late to keep Europe Christian? Does that mean they should all just give up? It sounds like more of that theory of inevitability crap the Left is always pushing down our throats to get us to submit and stop resisting. It's inevitable after all so stop wasting your time and get on the right side of history.

    I wonder if Mr. Cohen thinks that it's far too late to keep Israel a Jewish state since the muslim population is about 18 percent? If so he ought to tell the Israelis, I don't think they feel it's too late.

    Replies: @Matra, @reiner Tor

    Not that I’d endorse any of Cohen’s opinions, but actually, Cohen is saying that nobody is going to church, so Europe is no longer Christian anyway.

    That’s why using proxies (like culture, religion, etc.) instead of race is, well, problematic. I would rather say “Europe should stay predominantly (like, 99%) inhabited by white Europeans of Christian heritage”. But of course it’s understandable why a mainstream politician would only dare talking about religion or other proxies.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @reiner Tor

    Going to Church doesn't define one as a Christian. And I don't think Cohen was referencing attendance figures.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Desiderius

  72. @Diversity Heretic
    I just finished reading a book about the Hapsburg Empire, Danubia. My conclusion is that if you're from central or east central Europe and someone doesn't dislike you, your ancestors just weren't trying. Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough (although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness. And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness.

    Replies: @rvg, @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Big Bill

    “Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness.”

    I think the concept of the narcissism of small differences applies here. The rivalries between groups with very few real differences between them will pale in comparison (in some ways literally – e.g., skin color) to the differences between them and the new arrivals, and the original rivalries will, in theory, evaporate. More likely, though, it won’t be enough to eliminate all distrust between the original groups.

    What the establishment is doing is introducing a new group to Balkanize the population and keep the people from ever unifying against them. We keep hearing allusions to the Holocaust, but what they’re really afraid of is another French Revolution.

    “And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness.”

    We just learned about Rotherham roughly, oh, yesterday. I was not aware that ethnic tensions in England and France had calmed down any in the very brief interim since.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Wilkey

    The narcissism of small differences ruled in New England up until King Philip's War (~1675). The Indians got over their "small differences" to war against the New Englanders and the New Englanders got over their "small differences" to fight back.

    Many historians believe this forced white solidarity for survival was the nucleus of the collective "American" identity.

    Perhaps Muslimo/African depredations will trigger the formation of a similar pan-European identity among whites.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Wilkey

    My comment about England and France was largely historical--the English Civil War was in the 17th Century, the Glorious Revolution in 1688, and the Treaty of Union with Scotland 1701. The French Revolution began in 1789 and the Terror was in the 1790s. Compared to the history of eastern and central Europe in the late 19th and 20th Century, England's and France's internal history was relatively sedate. The recent importation of Arabs, Africans and South Asians has, unfortunately, changed that. Central and east central Europe had trouble thrust upon them, England and France have imported it.

  73. @Anon
    Should Europe be Jordanized?

    Jordanian population is 80% Palestinian because of the Nakba.

    Cohen-ian logic applied to history goes as follows.

    Jewish policy driving out 800,00o Palestinians: necessary and progressive.

    But....

    suppose Jordan had refused to take in Palestinian refugees caused by Zionist policy.

    Why, Jordanians would have been like the Nazis.

    Jordan had to pay the demographic price for Zionist actions.

    And how does Cohenian logic work today?

    Zionist-Globalist foreign policy messes up Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, & Syria and leads to the deaths of 100,00os and the displacement of millions of people: No Problem! It's just spreading democracy and western values.

    But...

    If Europeans say NO to this deluge? They are like Nazis.

    Cohenian logic in action.

    If Cohen takes over someone's house, steals all the property, and kicks him out into the cold, that is not a problem. If anything, we should praise Cohen and defend his action.

    But if you won't take in this homeless victim of Cohen, YOU are the Nazi.

    What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he's just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.

    -------------

    What should recent Western policy toward the Middle East be called?

    Mega-nakba, affecting pretty much all Arabs and Muslims in the region.

    Replies: @tbraton, @Felix., @biz

    But if you won’t take in this homeless victim of Cohen, YOU are the Nazi.

    What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he’s just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.

    He’s neither. He’s simply agitating for what he perceives to be the ethnic interests of his tribe. There is nothing wrong with that, but by the same token, we should understand that the interests of his tribe and our tribe diverge in the most significant degree imaginable (very survival) and act accordingly. Of course, if we do so he will screech, and screech loudly, but that too is ok, because his screeching can likewise be interpreted as the pursuit of ethnic self interest and thus be ignored.

    TLDR: the morally defective party is not Cohen in his screeching but US in taking his screeching seriously. We as a people are acting like idiots, which is not commendable.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Felix.

    "He’s simply agitating for what he perceives to be the ethnic interests of his tribe."

    I agree except for the 'simply' part.

    Here's the thing. White gentiles don't say there is something morally or psychologically wrong for Jews to have Jewish ethnic or national interests. White gentiles may not always see eye-to-eye with it, but they still acknowledge the Jews to care about Jewish identity, issues, culture, history, solidarity, and etc.

    People like Pat Buchanan may disagree with Neocons and Netanyahu, but he fully supports the desire on the part of Jews to preserve Jewishness and serve Jewish interests. People like Buchanan may disagree with the tactics but not with the core identity and interests of Jews.

    In contrast, people like Cohen not only object to the policies of white identity and interests but denounce their very existence. White identity itself is reviled, and having white interests is treated like some kind of mental, moral, and spiritual pathology.

    "I don't want the (gentile) club to have members who think and feel as I do."

    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Felix.


    we should understand that the interests of his tribe and our tribe diverge in the most significant degree imaginable (very survival) and act accordingly.
     
    It's interesting that some are determined to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. One thing to remember is the tribe has hundreds of nukes and the world's most extensive biological weapons program.

    Replies: @Felix.

  74. A guy I used to work with had a grandfather from Stettin (now Szczecin). He mentioned how the guy was still bitter about his home town being turned over to Poland. It’s interesting how that came to be. Initially, the Allies had agreed the Gernany’s new borders would be the Rhine in the west and the Oder river in the east. There was precedence for this; the area between the Rhine and Oder has traditionally been considered the historical home of the German people, as it was before the Teutonic Knights went on their war of conquest in the 13th century, expanding into Prussia, Poland, and Lithuania. The Baltic-speaking Prussians ceased to exist as a separate group and were absorbed into the greater German ethnicity, while the Poles and Lithuanians avoided the same fate by halting the German advance at the Battle of Grunwald. At any rate, Poland after WW2 was supposed to receive the Kalingrad Oblast as part of their territory, but Stalin decided that it was too valuable of a port for the Soviet Navy, so he decided to keep it as part of Russia. To appease the Poles, he granted them a strip of Germany lying to the west of the Oder, which included Stettin.

  75. Bad news: mainstream economists are ethically committed to solving the “refugee problem.”

    Among other scientific truths:

    *Huge migration flows increase jobs for locals “in the formal sector,” according to an economist from the Central Bank of Turkey.
    *Asylum claims are presumptively valid, says an Australian economist: “People in fear for their lives run to the nearest safe place, not the richest.”
    *Jeffrey Sachs, godfather of the Yeltsin miracle in Russia, explains that immigration policy should be designed “to prevent encouraging a brain drain by enforcing a commitment to admitting low-skilled and desperate immigrants, not just those who are highly useful to the host country.”

    Apparently none of the projects considered the question of whether it might more effectively help all the people of the world to support refugees in place or country of first refuge, or to halt economic migration and divert the integration expenditures to promotion of development in sending countries.

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/economic-research-contribution-to-asylum-reform-by-robert-j–shiller-2016-01

    In Europe, the International Monetary Fund declares that the state spending money on migrants (instead of natives?) increases economic growth, that they should be employed at less than minimum wage, and that “studies have found such waves of immigration to have only a very small impact on employment.” They repeat 11 times that mass migration will increase GDP in various European countries, but they seem not to be familiar with the concept of per capita GDP.

    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/euro-finance/imf-recommends-paying-refugees-below-minimum-wage-321157#

  76. anon • Disclaimer says:

    On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    Did it, Richard Cohen? Did it really?

    I understand signalling. The trick is, you have to signal in such a way that you don’t put a hilarious image into your audience’s head, of you vomiting on a plane because of an old movie that you chose to watch, knowing fully what it was.

    Because if you do that, then people start to question whether it really happened, which makes your signalling obvious. Not that it really matters. Richard Cohen will always have a job writing for the Washington Post, despite his track record of being one of the dumbest columnists around.

  77. “…for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth…”

    “We”?

    Mr. Cohen, there is no “we” in this context.

    Your ethnic group measures everything by the “Is it good for the Jews?” litmus test. “We” does not include other Americans. It never has.

  78. enslaved black people and held them in peonage

    Let’s assume something like half of white Southerners had slaves. Southerners were maybe 25% of whites in the US at the time. Roughly half of US whites’ ancestry comes from post-Civil War immigration. This makes maybe 6 or 7% of US white ancestry slaveholders.

    However, it should be noted that a lot of whites had ancestors who fought in the Union army. These people (and their descendants) should take some credit for that.

    We know, on the other hand, that US blacks have roughly 20% white ancestry, almost all of which comes from slaveholders.

    This means that I think if people really do have inherited ancestral sin, the sin of slavery is something that mostly blacks have and whites don’t.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @reiner Tor


    This means that I think if people really do have inherited ancestral sin, the sin of slavery is something that mostly blacks have and whites don’t.
     
    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don't see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor. At ten generations, you have 1,024 forebears.. It's almost impossible for someone of significant New England, New Netherland, or mid-Atlantic ancestry not to bump into a slaveowner or two in his genealogy, despite the limited range and time of slavery in those territories.

    Not that any of this matters. Meanwhile, you can have fum searching for slaveowners in Barack Obama's line:

    http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ancestors_of_Barack_Obama

    Replies: @iffen, @reiner Tor, @ben tillman

  79. @Beach
    @Matra


    Cohen: On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    I watched it again on TV just last week. No retching to report.
     
    Cohen is signaling his moral nobility to his fellows of higher mind.

    Replies: @Big Bill

    Why on earth would a normal, healthy, adult male spend hours watching a movie that makes him retch?

    Given its length, Gone with the Wind seems particularly inefficient.

    Richard, for your next retching movie I highly recommend “Two Girls, One Cup”.

  80. He needs to write an update to his article. Merkel has imposed border controls indefinitely and her government is being sued by some of the migrants for unduly harsh long processing times for their asylum claims. I’m anxious to see how the political and media elite will respond to the influx this coming year. Already, the numbers are significantly higher. I noticed that in October the migrant coverage in the press declined, even as the numbers coming over continued to increase. I suspect that may be their approach this coming year. Play down the seriousness, suppress migrant crimes, and promulgate “xenophobia” and xenophilia among the natives.

  81. @Diversity Heretic
    I just finished reading a book about the Hapsburg Empire, Danubia. My conclusion is that if you're from central or east central Europe and someone doesn't dislike you, your ancestors just weren't trying. Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough (although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness. And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness.

    Replies: @rvg, @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Big Bill

    We used to have a term for turning homogeneous polities into a squabbling morass of ethnicities. Not “diversifying” but “balkanizing”.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Big Bill


    We used to have a term for turning homogeneous polities into a squabbling morass of ethnicities. Not “diversifying” but “balkanizing”.
     
    "Dissolving" or "destroying" would be bit more apposite.
  82. @ben tillman

    At bottom, the difference between the leading Republican candidate and the leading German is an appreciation of history. Merkel knows that the new Europe skates on the thinnest of ice. She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.
     
    Which is one of two reasons -- each sufficient in itself -- why people of good will oppose the creation of minority populations in Europe.

    Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Well said.

    She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.

    So the obvious solution is to import even more minorities into Europe. What could possibly go wrong?

    As our venerable host is fond of saying, “When you find yourself in a hole…..”

  83. @noticer

    There seems to be a growing urge among Establishment voices to demonize as immoral the desire to let sleeping dogs lie.
     
    Yeah, the "Establishment" really does have that problem. Unlike the Dissident Right which displays such healthy acceptance of the outcome of all Arab/Israeli wars to date

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @anon

    Do you think altrighters would care for Israel at all if… ah, nevermind. All you ever need to know is that altrighters are evil.

  84. @noticer

    There seems to be a growing urge among Establishment voices to demonize as immoral the desire to let sleeping dogs lie.
     
    Yeah, the "Establishment" really does have that problem. Unlike the Dissident Right which displays such healthy acceptance of the outcome of all Arab/Israeli wars to date

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @anon

    Unlike the Dissident Right which displays such healthy acceptance of the outcome of all Arab/Israeli wars to date.

    All of the Arab/Israeli wars to date aren’t really “sleeping dogs”, though. Germany and Poland have both accepted their current borders and have stopped fighting about them.

  85. @Wilkey
    @Diversity Heretic

    "Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness."

    I think the concept of the narcissism of small differences applies here. The rivalries between groups with very few real differences between them will pale in comparison (in some ways literally - e.g., skin color) to the differences between them and the new arrivals, and the original rivalries will, in theory, evaporate. More likely, though, it won't be enough to eliminate all distrust between the original groups.

    What the establishment is doing is introducing a new group to Balkanize the population and keep the people from ever unifying against them. We keep hearing allusions to the Holocaust, but what they're really afraid of is another French Revolution.


    "And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness."

    We just learned about Rotherham roughly, oh, yesterday. I was not aware that ethnic tensions in England and France had calmed down any in the very brief interim since.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Diversity Heretic

    The narcissism of small differences ruled in New England up until King Philip’s War (~1675). The Indians got over their “small differences” to war against the New Englanders and the New Englanders got over their “small differences” to fight back.

    Many historians believe this forced white solidarity for survival was the nucleus of the collective “American” identity.

    Perhaps Muslimo/African depredations will trigger the formation of a similar pan-European identity among whites.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Big Bill

    I think that's what we're seeing, what with Trump and Le Pen and Orban and all.

  86. How does it feel to see the once might western powers laid low?

  87. the Inglourious Basterdization of elite opinion: the urge is growing to go back into the past and Kill Hitler (and, okay, to be fair about it, Stalin, too).

    Wouldn’ t the Terminator franchise work better?

  88. @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    “Oily lie,” lol.
     
    Wasn't Oily Lie acting prime minister of Norway at one point?

    Listen to his guy. “OMG my Jew nose can totally smell Hitler.”
     
    But Ivanka's husband can't. Someone send him a neti pot.

    By the way, what's the difference between a neti pot and waterboarding?

    Replies: @ErikM, @Mr. Anon

    “By the way, what’s the difference between a neti pot and waterboarding?”

    A neti-pot clears up your sinuses and makes you feel a lot better. Also, as far as I know, approval of the neti-pot has not been deemed by Fox News to be a litmus test for patriotism.

  89. “She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities. ”

    Whereas muslim nations like Iraq and black nations ilke Rwanda have been just great at dealing with minorities. Just ask a Kurd or a Tutsi.

  90. @ic1000
    Sailer wrote about the elite's urge to "go back into the past and Kill Hitler (and, okay, to be fair about it, Stalin, too)."

    No, I'm not seeing much lumping of the superevil Hitler with ol' eggs-and-omlets Stalin, among respectable opinionators.

    The first time that a movie celebratings the triumphs of an unapologetic Hitlerist screenwriter garners an Oscar nomination, I'll change my view.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Rob McX

    Yeah, I don’t see those people as desiring to go back into the past and kill Stalin. The Czar, maybe.

  91. @Romanian
    I thought we were making such progress in the MSM. Then this article comes out and it's basically the greatest hits collection for the lugenpresse. I've heard of blackface as a form of show, and this must be a form of liberalface. I'm having trouble understanding that he could still write stuff like this seriously and be published by his editor.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    This is a flashback to an article from September.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @reiner Tor

    Yeah, I realized I missed that part, by jumping straight away into the article in the Post.

  92. @The Z Blog

    Okay, well, obviously Cohen was motivated by the common It’s Always 1933 in Europe fetish
     
    It's often assumed this is a Jewish thing. I suppose it is to some extent, but you see it everywhere. In the American mind, history started with Hitler. I suspect if you asked most Americans to plot events on a timeline, 99% of human history would be crowded around a point just before you know who came to power.

    I suspect the reason for this has less to do with the Jews and more to do with the fact there are no iterations of Rousseau-ist philosophy that don't end in authoritarianism. That was the story of the 20th century and now the 21st century. The New Religion has led to a dead end. That's why the elites are obsessed with rewriting and recreating history.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon

    “It’s often assumed this is a Jewish thing. I suppose it is to some extent, but you see it everywhere. In the American mind, history started with Hitler. I suspect if you asked most Americans to plot events on a timeline, 99% of human history would be crowded around a point just before you know who came to power.

    I suspect the reason for this has less to do with the Jews and more to do with the fact there are no iterations of Rousseau-ist philosophy that don’t end in authoritarianism. ”

    And you don’t imagine it has anything to do with jewish predominance in the media, and of them using that to set their ethnic concerns and grievances front-and-center in the national agenda?

  93. @reiner Tor
    @Romanian

    This is a flashback to an article from September.

    Replies: @Romanian

    Yeah, I realized I missed that part, by jumping straight away into the article in the Post.

  94. “an altogether humble woman of clear moral vision, is performing in the Western tradition of enlightened tolerance”
    – Leaving your own women exposed to mass assault is definitely performing in the Western tradition of enlightened tolerance. Moreover, Merkel and her feminist buddies have shown humility and clear moral vision by refusing to blame their new pets for the assaults.
    – Her clear moral vision is also shared by Google, Facebook and Twitter who will be the new Stasi. People have to be taught enlightened tolerance means keeping their mouths shut.
    – The Western tradition of enlightened tolerance was also on display in Rotherham and other cities. So what if young girls get raped? We are tolerant.
    – Anyone remember the explosives-laden van that was found outside the soccer stadium in Hamburg? Or the seven Iraqi would-be suicide bombers in Munich who appear to have vanished? We have short memories and we will once again be reminded of enlightened tolerance by the likes of Cohen once the dust settles on the events in Cologne.
    – It is always funny when Jews support mass Muslim immigration.

  95. @Mark Caplan
    From Philly.com, Jan 21, 2016:

    Philadelphia City Council returned Thursday for its first meeting of the new term. [...] [A] nonbinding resolution was offered suggesting that two Muslim holidays become official city and School District holidays.

    Speaking before a chamber packed with men wearing Muslim prayer caps and women wearing hijabs, Councilman Curtis Jones Jr. said an acquaintance had questioned his timing, considering the recent shooting of a Philadelphia police officer by a man who said he was acting on behalf of Islam and the tension surrounding calls for Muslims to be banned from entry to the United States.

    After Council passed the resolution on a voice vote with no dissent, many of those supporters celebrated by saying, "Allahu akbar," Arabic for "God is the greatest."

    The resolution urges the city and the School District to make the holidays official.

    It received initial support from Mayor Kenney.

    The two holidays in question are Eid al-Fitr, celebrated after the monthlong observance of Ramadan, and Eid al-Adha, celebrated at the conclusion of the annual Hajj pilgrimage.

    Philadelphia, which has an estimated 200,000 Muslims, would not be the first city to add the holidays to the official calendar. Schools in New York City added them to the academic calendar last year.

    Replies: @Jasper Been, @bomag, @EriK

    I think the Freedom from Religion Foundation needs to be all over this; if not, what the hell are they good for?

  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Actor James Woods:

    Trump chatted once with my Mom at an event. A true gentleman. He never once neglected to ask about her by name for years thereafter.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/629667551354732544

    Remember, James Woods alerted FBI prior to the 9/11 hijackings when he noticed Middle Eastern men acting suspiciously (it was the actual 9/11 hijackers doing a dry run). Woods has an IQ of 184 and went to MIT. http://daystyles.com/entertain/celebrity-news/19-inexplicably-high-celeb-iqs-5.html

  97. @reiner Tor

    enslaved black people and held them in peonage
     
    Let's assume something like half of white Southerners had slaves. Southerners were maybe 25% of whites in the US at the time. Roughly half of US whites' ancestry comes from post-Civil War immigration. This makes maybe 6 or 7% of US white ancestry slaveholders.

    However, it should be noted that a lot of whites had ancestors who fought in the Union army. These people (and their descendants) should take some credit for that.

    We know, on the other hand, that US blacks have roughly 20% white ancestry, almost all of which comes from slaveholders.

    This means that I think if people really do have inherited ancestral sin, the sin of slavery is something that mostly blacks have and whites don't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This means that I think if people really do have inherited ancestral sin, the sin of slavery is something that mostly blacks have and whites don’t.

    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don’t see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor. At ten generations, you have 1,024 forebears.. It’s almost impossible for someone of significant New England, New Netherland, or mid-Atlantic ancestry not to bump into a slaveowner or two in his genealogy, despite the limited range and time of slavery in those territories.

    Not that any of this matters. Meanwhile, you can have fum searching for slaveowners in Barack Obama’s line:

    http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ancestors_of_Barack_Obama

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Reg Cæsar

    inbred hillbilly stock

    Stop it!

    , @reiner Tor
    @Reg Cæsar


    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don’t see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor.
     
    Yes, but what matters is a percentage of slaveowning ancestors.

    As I've just established, all blacks have slaveowning ancestors, too. Obviously not all slaveowner descendants hold the sin.
    , @ben tillman
    @Reg Cæsar


    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don’t see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor. At ten generations, you have 1,024 forebears.
     
    You *might* have 1024 forebears, but it's highly unlikely.
  98. Cohen is also the guy who came out in favor of the Iraq invasion in 2003, based on a dream he had about being sent to Auschwitz with his grandfather.

    As someone else already noted, most of the people who ended up in the former German provinces of Pomerania and Silesia were from Galicia, in western Ukraine, and the western edge of current Belarus. So we could expect some more jarring juxtapositions here, because the German provinces (and a lot of Eastern Germany, as well as the Czech Republic) were originally Slavonic and absorbed a lot of German colonists over the years, while the Polish borderlands were a stew of ethnic diversity.

  99. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening, for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch."

    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin' cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW. Clark Gable was not a foreman who wielded the whip over blacks, occasionally stopping to shout "That's it, you slaves! Pick that cotton, faster, FASTER!" Didn't happen. Or the scene where Ashley Wilkes nonchalantly leered at some Sally Hemmings house slave and then said "My, but you're such a sweet young pleasant delightful thing, aren't you? Would you mind immensely if I left my card and called on you next week? And after all, we're practically family since, you know, your father is related to my oldest uncle. wink wink."

    Nope. That scene wasn't in GWTW either. So Cohen must have watched some other film on the airplane.

    In point of fact, in 2015 few if any commercialized airplanes would have actually showed the three hour plus Oscar winning film for fear of being called racist, getting boycotted by Jesse and Al, etc. Michelle Obama, fresh from her recent expertise of reading out the best winning films at the Academy Awards show would have been all over it, along with a teary eyed speech about how one of her own great-great-great-great grandfathers was born into slavery and bravely tried to hitch a ride on the underground railroad before the bloodhounds caught up to him. GWTW, she'd pitifully intone, just invokes the whole unpleasant memories that she would need at least three weeks from which to fully recover. And, how could an airline company do this in 2015 in America, 'cause "that's not who we are!"

    The only thing that Cohen may have recalled when he watched GWTW on some late night rerun decades ago, is that Hattie and Butterfly didn't speak the King's English, a la "12 Years a Slave". Because everyone knows that the Ebonics dialect is a myth and a racist one at that. Frankly I'm a bit surprised that the actors playing NWA in "Straight Outta Compton" weren't cast from the Old Vic Theater or some recent Obie nominated production. Because everyone knows that black folks simply don't speak that way, namely the way that they did in 1939. So wherever that came from that's just plum racist.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Lugash, @CJ, @BurplesonAFB

    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin’ cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW.

    Gone With The Wind painted a happy picture of slavery. It kind of morally defends slavery as not that bad, which is the offensive part. I find it somewhat offensive and distasteful and I am alt right.

    I hate Gone With the Wind because of the non-racial tragedy (I don’t want to spoil it) in the story. If I ever want to feel miserable and terrible about the world I just can think of that movie.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Massimo Heitor

    GWTW didn't really delve into field slavery at all. The house slaves were treated more as "mammies" or maids of the early 20th century. But it doesnt directly defend slavery as a good thing or a bad thing as the film isn't about slaves. Its about Scarlett and her family's travails. That Tara had slaves is incidental to the larger story. Out of a three hr plus film, there's barely a couple minutes of actual slaves working the plantations, because the war starts within the first hour, then Reconstruction, etc. If one wants to say that it paints a very negative picture of Reconstruction policies, that's very much the case, so in that sense GWTW echoes the Southern view of Reconstruction.

    Remembering that this was 1939, one can also say that it did attempt to show the few blacks it had in the film as something resembling equal humans. Hattie McDaniel did win a best supporting Oscar for her role. No doubt this was due to Hollywood's stirring conscience in some quarters about treatment of blacks under Jim Crow, as well as Marian Anderson's singing at the Lincoln Memorial that same yr. One can almost see David Selznick's fingerprints on these social issues and how to combine them (however so subtly) into the film while simultaneously going out of its way not to offend Southern sensibilities. Trying to have it both ways, in other words.
    Even then, Hollywood was starting to show an active conscience on social issues at large.

    If you want a film that authentically attempted to deal with tensions and issues of the Civil War, Reconstruction, black/white relations, I'd suggest Birth of a Nation. Its not easy to dismiss as it was made by D.W. Griffith, one of the Silent Era's greatest filmmakers, (whose family were part of the Klan, by the way). President Wilson personally screened the film in the White House and gave it his seal of approval. The film probably served in no small way as a KKK recruiting tool and could help to explain the phenomenal growth of the Klan over the next decade.

    25 yrs later, in 1939, Selznick (and of course author Margaret Mitchell) toned down the larger implications of race in GWTW until the elements have been "whitewashed" entirely from the film and focused on the novel's love story. Point is, there's no real reason to be offended and up in arms over GWTW. Its a typical hollywood production from that era, where race is basically ignored or whitewashed from the record, while those few blacks shown on the screen are given some humanity and near equal status with whites (that in itself was novel concept especially for 1939) while going out of its way not to offend Southern sensibilities too directly.

    , @ben tillman
    @Massimo Heitor


    Gone With The Wind painted a happy picture of slavery. It kind of morally defends slavery as not that bad, which is the offensive part.
     
    Let me venture a guess: You have no idea how bad it actually was.
  100. @Reg Cæsar
    @reiner Tor


    This means that I think if people really do have inherited ancestral sin, the sin of slavery is something that mostly blacks have and whites don’t.
     
    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don't see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor. At ten generations, you have 1,024 forebears.. It's almost impossible for someone of significant New England, New Netherland, or mid-Atlantic ancestry not to bump into a slaveowner or two in his genealogy, despite the limited range and time of slavery in those territories.

    Not that any of this matters. Meanwhile, you can have fum searching for slaveowners in Barack Obama's line:

    http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ancestors_of_Barack_Obama

    Replies: @iffen, @reiner Tor, @ben tillman

    inbred hillbilly stock

    Stop it!

  101. @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan

    Not that I'd endorse any of Cohen's opinions, but actually, Cohen is saying that nobody is going to church, so Europe is no longer Christian anyway.

    That's why using proxies (like culture, religion, etc.) instead of race is, well, problematic. I would rather say "Europe should stay predominantly (like, 99%) inhabited by white Europeans of Christian heritage". But of course it's understandable why a mainstream politician would only dare talking about religion or other proxies.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    Going to Church doesn’t define one as a Christian. And I don’t think Cohen was referencing attendance figures.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan


    I don’t think Cohen was referencing attendance figures.
     
    What else could his reference to the forlorn village priests mean?

    Going to Church doesn’t define one as a Christian.
     
    That's true. I also don't think Orbán is that terribly religious himself. Obviously "keeping Europe Christian" meant "keeping Europe racially white", "Christian" was just a proxy for "white" there. And Cohen knows it, which is why he's essentially replying to a straw man (nobody wants to keep Europe Christian in the religious meaning of the word).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @iSteveFan

    , @Desiderius
    @iSteveFan


    Going to Church doesn’t define one as a Christian.
     
    Spotlight has an interesting take on that one.

    The future belongs to those who show up for it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

  102. @Reg Cæsar
    @reiner Tor


    This means that I think if people really do have inherited ancestral sin, the sin of slavery is something that mostly blacks have and whites don’t.
     
    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don't see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor. At ten generations, you have 1,024 forebears.. It's almost impossible for someone of significant New England, New Netherland, or mid-Atlantic ancestry not to bump into a slaveowner or two in his genealogy, despite the limited range and time of slavery in those territories.

    Not that any of this matters. Meanwhile, you can have fum searching for slaveowners in Barack Obama's line:

    http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ancestors_of_Barack_Obama

    Replies: @iffen, @reiner Tor, @ben tillman

    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don’t see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor.

    Yes, but what matters is a percentage of slaveowning ancestors.

    As I’ve just established, all blacks have slaveowning ancestors, too. Obviously not all slaveowner descendants hold the sin.

  103. @iSteveFan
    @reiner Tor

    Going to Church doesn't define one as a Christian. And I don't think Cohen was referencing attendance figures.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Desiderius

    I don’t think Cohen was referencing attendance figures.

    What else could his reference to the forlorn village priests mean?

    Going to Church doesn’t define one as a Christian.

    That’s true. I also don’t think Orbán is that terribly religious himself. Obviously “keeping Europe Christian” meant “keeping Europe racially white”, “Christian” was just a proxy for “white” there. And Cohen knows it, which is why he’s essentially replying to a straw man (nobody wants to keep Europe Christian in the religious meaning of the word).

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @reiner Tor


    nobody wants to keep Europe Christian in the religious meaning of the word
     
    I wouldn't be so sure about that. Christ isn't known for staying dead.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @iSteveFan
    @reiner Tor

    I recall Taki of Taki Magazine once describing that he was a cultural Christian who only attended church on Christmas and Easter. He said he wasn't necessarily a true believer, but felt our society benefited from Christian morality. So he supported the mother of his children taking them to church as part of their upbringing.

    My hunch is Orban is probably in that mode. My guess is a lot of people on this blog are in that mode too.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @reiner Tor

  104. Hitler is the greatest thing to ever happen, for politicians.
    If not for him, who else could they accuse their adversaries of being like ?

    • Replies: @Bacon Eater
    @boogerbently


    Hitler is the greatest thing to ever happen, for politicians.
    If not for him, who else could they accuse their adversaries of being like ?
     
    At least some politicians in the pre-Hitler age made comparisons to Pharaoh instead. Enslaved the Israelites, robbed them*, overworked them, killed every male child, and ten minutes after the Israelites depart in the "Let my people go" affair, Pharaoh decides "Get those people back" and tries to recapture the people he's just spent years oppressing. Rather nasty point of comparison, that.

    * This is not redundant. Slaves were usually allowed to own property.
  105. @Anonymous
    That article by Roger Cohen is as wring as wrong can be. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Spectacularly wrong. Ass-over-tit wrong.

    The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not 'diverse'), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief. To quote a phrase 'it's like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre'.
    Any Roger Cohen should know. Just look at Israel/Palestine.

    Replies: @5371, @Desiderius, @Kylie, @Massimo Heitor

    To quote a phrase ‘it’s like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre’.

    No, like Denethor, the pyre is for their sons, and for similar (ir)reasons.

  106. @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan


    I don’t think Cohen was referencing attendance figures.
     
    What else could his reference to the forlorn village priests mean?

    Going to Church doesn’t define one as a Christian.
     
    That's true. I also don't think Orbán is that terribly religious himself. Obviously "keeping Europe Christian" meant "keeping Europe racially white", "Christian" was just a proxy for "white" there. And Cohen knows it, which is why he's essentially replying to a straw man (nobody wants to keep Europe Christian in the religious meaning of the word).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @iSteveFan

    nobody wants to keep Europe Christian in the religious meaning of the word

    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Christ isn’t known for staying dead.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Desiderius

    Then you have to concede that Cohen does have a point: perhaps it's already a lost battle. All you can do is re-evangelize Europe, but you cannot keep it Christian.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

  107. @Anonymous
    Actually, Steve, trying to compare genetic population similarities with y chromosomes can give thoroughly misleading results. In order to judge the relatedness of populations, it is autosomal DNA which is the key. On this measure, if we take 'identity by descent' common genomic sequences as a guide, the Poles and Germans have a close genetic relation to each other, as surprising as it might seem to some, but then again it's not really surprising given that there is no real geographical border between Germany and Poland.

    Strangely enough, the typically Polish y DNA haplotype r1a1a is abundantly frequent in Pakistan and India. This has been held as evidence of the reality of the Veduc Aryan invasion of India, by a population, it has been surmised, that originated in the vicinity of present day Poland/Ukraine.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    In order to judge the relatedness of populations, it is autosomal DNA which is the key.

    That’s true, but then there’s the question of selection pressures, which could well have been somewhat different among Poles than Germans. This could mean that even though they are very similar genetically, there could be significant differences between them caused by genetics…

  108. @iSteveFan
    @reiner Tor

    Going to Church doesn't define one as a Christian. And I don't think Cohen was referencing attendance figures.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Desiderius

    Going to Church doesn’t define one as a Christian.

    Spotlight has an interesting take on that one.

    The future belongs to those who show up for it.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Desiderius

    Not necessarily. In fact attending a church like certain Episcopal or Methodist congregations is probably worse than not going to church at all. Some of these congregations are as damaging to our society as any cultural marxist.

    Replies: @Kylie

  109. @Desiderius
    @reiner Tor


    nobody wants to keep Europe Christian in the religious meaning of the word
     
    I wouldn't be so sure about that. Christ isn't known for staying dead.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Then you have to concede that Cohen does have a point: perhaps it’s already a lost battle. All you can do is re-evangelize Europe, but you cannot keep it Christian.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @reiner Tor


    Then you have to concede that Cohen does have a point: perhaps it’s already a lost battle. All you can do is re-evangelize Europe, but you cannot keep it Christian.
     
    You can't keep people Muslim or Christian, but these institutions can gain relevance and grow or lose relevance and die. Right now, Islam is gaining, Christianity is dying, but that could be reversed.

    I am atheist/agnostic, but I see Christianity as a pillar of Western Civilization and I think pieces of it should be resurrected and modernized. Basic Christian morality is useful and even beautiful: don't lie, don't envy others, help others in need, hate the sin not the sinner. The Crusades were a defensive war against Islam.

    Pope Francis is ruining much of Christianity. Jesus said to help others yourself, not to vote for politics that claims to do so. Jesus never bashed capitalism or anything close like Pope Francis does. Jesus never called for "equality" of wealth or anything remotely close. Jesus downplayed material possessions.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @SFG, @dr kill

  110. Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, who more or less represents Washington centrism.

    One opinionated journalist is just that, an opinionated journalist. I don’t see any evidence or reason to justify him as a representation of the WP or Washington Centrism or anything else.

    It’s interesting that this is the same Richard Cohen that wrote the controversial article about Bill DeBlasio’s mixed race kids. If he’s offended by mixed race kids, why would he support mass immigration from Africa and the Middle East into Europe:

    People with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children. (Should I mention that Bill de Blasio’s wife, Chirlane McCray, used to be a lesbian?) This family represents the cultural changes that have enveloped parts — but not all — of America. To cultural conservatives, this doesn’t look like their country at all.

    I would defend him in that many publicity photos of Bill DeBlasio’s kids look obnoxious, and they are purposefully flaunting race in an obnoxious way. No one think’s Halle Berry or Condoleeza Rice or Tiger Woods is gag worthy for being mixed race. People find Rice’s politics gag worthy or Tiger Wood’s infidelity gag worthy.

  111. @Orthodox
    Yes. Poland should be allowed to take East Germany.

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Anon 2, @SFG

    “Poland should be allowed to take East Germany”

    In fact, when Germany became unified so many Ossies
    moved west that eastern Germany was (and still is) in
    danger of becoming depopulated. The German government
    then invited anyone from Poland who was interested to
    move to certain specific apartment blocks in towns
    close to the Polish border. Otherwise they would have
    to be torn down. I don’t know how successful this German
    proposal was but as a visitor from the United States such
    as myself (where the population is exploding) travels through
    Germany one cannot avoid the impression how depopulated
    Germany is becoming. Poland is the same way. One caveat:
    I haven’t visited Germany since the recent migrant invasion.

    One goes to Weimar (which was in East Germany before the
    reunification), and in the midst of the tourist season the
    restaurants at night are practically empty. In Nuremberg you
    can visit certain historic sites and find yourself all alone in
    the street.

    The point is that in the developed world life has become so easy
    and pleasant that war, sex, and even going to church seem like
    too much trouble. Drudge had an article yesterday about Japan
    that quoted a survey in which 10% of men and 24% of women said
    that sex was too much work. In the U.S. most women would
    rather curl up on the couch with an interesting book than have
    sex. In the same way, territorial changes in Europe are very unlikely
    as war is just too much trouble. It might mess up your hair, for
    example.

  112. German_reader says:

    That’s the dirty secret of post-war Europe, that one of the main reasons for the lasting peace after the world wars was the large-scale ethnic cleansing from 1944/45 onwards (the other being the dominance of the super powers, the US and the Soviet Union, and nuclear weapons).
    But that’s rarely acknowledged nowadays, at least in Germany we got constant propaganda how the EU made peace in Europe possible. Just idiotic.

  113. @ic1000
    Sailer wrote about the elite's urge to "go back into the past and Kill Hitler (and, okay, to be fair about it, Stalin, too)."

    No, I'm not seeing much lumping of the superevil Hitler with ol' eggs-and-omlets Stalin, among respectable opinionators.

    The first time that a movie celebratings the triumphs of an unapologetic Hitlerist screenwriter garners an Oscar nomination, I'll change my view.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Rob McX

    You’re talking about the Trumbo film, right? Not alone is it up for an Oscar, but Trumbo himself was awarded two Oscars for screenwriting. They even took the trouble of giving him one of them posthumously in 1993 because it had originally been awarded to a front writer.

  114. @Auntie Analogue

    "Donald Trump is rebuked by Angela Merkel. She has the political gravitas that he lacks and the respect for history that he disdains."

     

    Mr. Cohen's "respect for history" seems to lack so much as a scintilla of grasp of fourteen centuries of Islam's bloody aggressive wars of conquest, Islam's genocide of Armenians and other races, and Islam's still-imposed slavery, intolerance, stigmatization, humiliation and extortion of other faiths in Moslem lands. Perhaps by attempting to enter Saudi Arabia while wearing a kippah and Star of David pendant Mr. Cohen might test Islamic "tolerance"?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Buffalo Joe

    Auntie, Thank you for mentioning the unmentionable. The Turks, the Islamic Ottoman state, systematically rounded up and exterminated the Armenians, who were Coptic/Orthodox Christian. This was genocide at its worst. The figure of those starved to death or murdered exceeded one million. This all happened during many of our parents lifetime.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Buffalo Joe

    The Ottoman government did not commit the Armenian Genocide. That was the Young Turks, the people who took over after the Ottomans. And the Young Turks were about as Turkish as the Russian Mafia is Russian.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  115. @Massimo Heitor
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin’ cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW.
     
    Gone With The Wind painted a happy picture of slavery. It kind of morally defends slavery as not that bad, which is the offensive part. I find it somewhat offensive and distasteful and I am alt right.

    I hate Gone With the Wind because of the non-racial tragedy (I don't want to spoil it) in the story. If I ever want to feel miserable and terrible about the world I just can think of that movie.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman

    GWTW didn’t really delve into field slavery at all. The house slaves were treated more as “mammies” or maids of the early 20th century. But it doesnt directly defend slavery as a good thing or a bad thing as the film isn’t about slaves. Its about Scarlett and her family’s travails. That Tara had slaves is incidental to the larger story. Out of a three hr plus film, there’s barely a couple minutes of actual slaves working the plantations, because the war starts within the first hour, then Reconstruction, etc. If one wants to say that it paints a very negative picture of Reconstruction policies, that’s very much the case, so in that sense GWTW echoes the Southern view of Reconstruction.

    Remembering that this was 1939, one can also say that it did attempt to show the few blacks it had in the film as something resembling equal humans. Hattie McDaniel did win a best supporting Oscar for her role. No doubt this was due to Hollywood’s stirring conscience in some quarters about treatment of blacks under Jim Crow, as well as Marian Anderson’s singing at the Lincoln Memorial that same yr. One can almost see David Selznick’s fingerprints on these social issues and how to combine them (however so subtly) into the film while simultaneously going out of its way not to offend Southern sensibilities. Trying to have it both ways, in other words.
    Even then, Hollywood was starting to show an active conscience on social issues at large.

    If you want a film that authentically attempted to deal with tensions and issues of the Civil War, Reconstruction, black/white relations, I’d suggest Birth of a Nation. Its not easy to dismiss as it was made by D.W. Griffith, one of the Silent Era’s greatest filmmakers, (whose family were part of the Klan, by the way). President Wilson personally screened the film in the White House and gave it his seal of approval. The film probably served in no small way as a KKK recruiting tool and could help to explain the phenomenal growth of the Klan over the next decade.

    25 yrs later, in 1939, Selznick (and of course author Margaret Mitchell) toned down the larger implications of race in GWTW until the elements have been “whitewashed” entirely from the film and focused on the novel’s love story. Point is, there’s no real reason to be offended and up in arms over GWTW. Its a typical hollywood production from that era, where race is basically ignored or whitewashed from the record, while those few blacks shown on the screen are given some humanity and near equal status with whites (that in itself was novel concept especially for 1939) while going out of its way not to offend Southern sensibilities too directly.

  116. @reiner Tor
    @Desiderius

    Then you have to concede that Cohen does have a point: perhaps it's already a lost battle. All you can do is re-evangelize Europe, but you cannot keep it Christian.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    Then you have to concede that Cohen does have a point: perhaps it’s already a lost battle. All you can do is re-evangelize Europe, but you cannot keep it Christian.

    You can’t keep people Muslim or Christian, but these institutions can gain relevance and grow or lose relevance and die. Right now, Islam is gaining, Christianity is dying, but that could be reversed.

    I am atheist/agnostic, but I see Christianity as a pillar of Western Civilization and I think pieces of it should be resurrected and modernized. Basic Christian morality is useful and even beautiful: don’t lie, don’t envy others, help others in need, hate the sin not the sinner. The Crusades were a defensive war against Islam.

    Pope Francis is ruining much of Christianity. Jesus said to help others yourself, not to vote for politics that claims to do so. Jesus never bashed capitalism or anything close like Pope Francis does. Jesus never called for “equality” of wealth or anything remotely close. Jesus downplayed material possessions.

    • Agree: Kylie, Brutusale
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Massimo Heitor

    I used up my agree button elsewhere, but yes, I agree.

    , @SFG
    @Massimo Heitor

    He threw the money-changers out of the temple.

    , @dr kill
    @Massimo Heitor

    Man, this is the truth. I am atheist, but raised Presbyterian. There is much good to be gained in the New Testament. And, I say to those who need to be scared into proper behavior by the threat of everlasting hell, please remain Christian. Very few indeed are those who can handle complete freedom; the concept of total personal responsibility is a foreign concept in the 21st century.
    The God of the New Testament is a different construct than He of the Old Testament and the Koran.

  117. @syonredux

    We incarcerated Japanese Americans during World War II,
     
    Some. The ones on the West Coast. Not the ones in Hawaii. Frankly, in terms of great American wrongs (slavery, Amerind expulsions), it's pretty small potatoes.

    locked our doors to desperate European Jews running from Hitler,
     
    Help me out: How many Muslim refugees is Israel taking in?

    enslaved black people and held them in peonage,
     
    Didn't that entail importing non-Europeans?Seems to be a lesson there, somewhere...

    and nearly eradicated the Native Americans.
     
    Mostly via disease.An unavoidable consequence of the "Columbian Exchange."

    Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening,
     
    Which probably has something to do with the fact that the Nazi episode was such a sharply defined period:1933-45, with the major crimes (Holocaust, mass starvation of Soviet POWs, etc) being confined to 1941-45.

    for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.
     
    Ah, the gastro-intestinal school of signalling moral sensitivity...


    And, as always, the crimes of the Stalin epoch go unmentioned:

    Terror Famine: Approx 6 million dead, 3 million in Ukraine alone.

    Great Terror: 682,691 executions.Of this total, 247,157 were killed in "ethnic operations." E.g., The "Polish Action," during which 111,091 ethnic Poles were killed (in some cases, NKVD operatives made their kill quota by selecting Polish names out of phone books).

    Mass killing of Poles: over 20,000 Polish POWs executed at Katyn*

    Ethnic cleansing operations (Chechens, etc): 231,000 deaths (official NKVD estimate)

    GULAG deaths: 1,053,829 official deaths for 1934-53. Add in estimates for 1929-33 plus estimates for people who died en route, or while being interrogated, or shortly after being released, and 1.6 million total deaths in the GULAG for 1929-53 is quite likely.

    etc, etc




    *

    Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin (Russian: Васи́лий Миха́йлович Блохи́н, 7 January 1895 – 3 February 1955) was a Soviet Russian Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov, and Lavrentiy Beria.

    Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin's reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II.[2] He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940,[2][3] making him the most prolific official executioner and mass murderer in recorded world history.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @bomag, @Felix.

    Syonredux, Cohen said watching “Gone with the Wind” while in flight made him retch. At least the airlines still provide “barf bags”. When I read the NYT I have to barf right on the pages.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  118. @Anonymous
    That article by Roger Cohen is as wring as wrong can be. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Spectacularly wrong. Ass-over-tit wrong.

    The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not 'diverse'), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief. To quote a phrase 'it's like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre'.
    Any Roger Cohen should know. Just look at Israel/Palestine.

    Replies: @5371, @Desiderius, @Kylie, @Massimo Heitor

    “The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not ‘diverse’), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief. To quote a phrase ‘it’s like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre’.”

    No, it’s more like watching a nation’s elites working as a herd of Judas goats herding the German sheeple to their doom.

  119. Were you being sarcastic?
    How could you say that race has no genetic basis at all and then post a genetic study proving that there is meaningful variance among neighbors precisely because they segregated themselves based on their post-war social construct of race.

    On topic, Cohen is clearly a Jew (by last name), and while I do not intend to instigate any trouble, I think it’s worth pointing out that since the Jews were almost wiped out less than a hundred years they have every reason to convince Europeans to stay away from nationalism. It’s a survival mechanism that heavily influences their (esp. Cohen’s) ideology as written above.

    This is why the American education systems (IDK about the EU’s) demonizes the Nazis and marginalizes all intellectual discussion of racism simply by banning it. The idea is that as long as White people never become nationalistic enough to put their interests first, the Jews will survive and prosper. It’s essentially racial subjugation disguised as pro-social egalitarianism for the purpose of survival and power, which of course only benefits the minorities. Cohen’s article here is simply an attempt to prod the people into his narrative because he sees Trump (powerful nationalistic white man) as a threat to it.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @TR


    On topic, Cohen is clearly a Jew (by last name), and while I do not intend to instigate any trouble, I think it’s worth pointing out that since the Jews were almost wiped out less than a hundred years they have every reason to convince Europeans to stay away from nationalism.
     
    They have a reason to prevent nationalism among the Europeans they live among. But why do they want to risk their own lives at a terrible expense to the nations they "have reason" to want to dissolve? Wouldn't it be better for both parties if they lived apart?

    Replies: @TR

    , @gruff
    @TR


    Were you being sarcastic?
    How could you say that race has no genetic basis at all and then post a genetic study proving that there is meaningful variance among neighbors precisely because they segregated themselves based on their post-war social construct of race.
     
    You must be new here.
  120. @5371
    @Anonymous

    Wrong R. Cohen.

    Replies: @Matra

    Yes, but in fairness given how many Cohens there are in the MSM and the similarities in their viewpoints the confusion is understandable.

  121. For George Soros the wailing and cries of the women of Europe count for nothing when it is always 1944:

    “Recognizing a problem is an invitation to do something about it. That is the main lesson I learned from the formative experience of my life, in 1944, when the Nazis occupied Hungary. I might not have survived if my father hadn’t secured false identification papers for his family (and many others). He taught me that it’s much better to face harsh reality than to close your eyes to it. Once you are aware of the dangers, your chances of survival are much better if you take some risks than if you meekly follow the crowd. That is why I trained myself to look at the dark side. It has served me well in the financial markets and it is guiding me now in my political philanthropy.”

    Risk taking for George is easy when he has not a scintilla of empathy for ordinary Europeans, ‘the crowd’, whose role is to wear a rictus grin as their civilisation crumbles under the workings of George Soros’s Open Society™:

    “Schmitz: Merkel used to be very cautious and deliberate. People could trust her. But in the migration crisis, she acted impulsively and took a big risk. Her leadership style has changed and that makes people nervous.

    Soros: That’s true, but I welcome the change.”

    If I remember correctly wasn’t George having a fascinating time in 1944 going around Budapest as a witness to the confiscation of the property of Jews and others for the Nazis? George is sincere: his greatest moments really are when others are seized with dread and foreboding. Strangely he thrives on this.

    Yes he was 14 in 1944 and not culpable in the circumstances but surely he was rendered in some ways inhuman, at least by the standards of hapless Hungarians not privileged to be readers of the New York Review of Books?

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/02/11/europe-verge-collapse-interview/

    (Thanks to someone here for the link.)

  122. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening, for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch."

    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin' cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW. Clark Gable was not a foreman who wielded the whip over blacks, occasionally stopping to shout "That's it, you slaves! Pick that cotton, faster, FASTER!" Didn't happen. Or the scene where Ashley Wilkes nonchalantly leered at some Sally Hemmings house slave and then said "My, but you're such a sweet young pleasant delightful thing, aren't you? Would you mind immensely if I left my card and called on you next week? And after all, we're practically family since, you know, your father is related to my oldest uncle. wink wink."

    Nope. That scene wasn't in GWTW either. So Cohen must have watched some other film on the airplane.

    In point of fact, in 2015 few if any commercialized airplanes would have actually showed the three hour plus Oscar winning film for fear of being called racist, getting boycotted by Jesse and Al, etc. Michelle Obama, fresh from her recent expertise of reading out the best winning films at the Academy Awards show would have been all over it, along with a teary eyed speech about how one of her own great-great-great-great grandfathers was born into slavery and bravely tried to hitch a ride on the underground railroad before the bloodhounds caught up to him. GWTW, she'd pitifully intone, just invokes the whole unpleasant memories that she would need at least three weeks from which to fully recover. And, how could an airline company do this in 2015 in America, 'cause "that's not who we are!"

    The only thing that Cohen may have recalled when he watched GWTW on some late night rerun decades ago, is that Hattie and Butterfly didn't speak the King's English, a la "12 Years a Slave". Because everyone knows that the Ebonics dialect is a myth and a racist one at that. Frankly I'm a bit surprised that the actors playing NWA in "Straight Outta Compton" weren't cast from the Old Vic Theater or some recent Obie nominated production. Because everyone knows that black folks simply don't speak that way, namely the way that they did in 1939. So wherever that came from that's just plum racist.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Lugash, @CJ, @BurplesonAFB

    It’s possible that Cohen watched GWTW on a personal electronic device. But that’s still a bit doubtful. The only probable way he could watch it would be on DVD/Bluray, or a rip. And I doubt he knows how to rip discs.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Lugash

    Don't some airlines have a classical movie selection? Might he not have watched it on such a channel?

    , @anon
    @Lugash

    He writes for a paper owned by Jeff Bezos. I'm sure someone has explained to him how Amazon video works.

    Although I don't know why he would mention it happened on a plane unless he wanted us to think the airline showed it.

    I hate to say it, but it kind of makes me wonder if maybe his story about sitting and retching because of the depiction of slavery in an enormously popular, decades-old movie that he's almost certainly seen before might not be 100% accurate.

  123. @Desiderius
    @iSteveFan


    Going to Church doesn’t define one as a Christian.
     
    Spotlight has an interesting take on that one.

    The future belongs to those who show up for it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    Not necessarily. In fact attending a church like certain Episcopal or Methodist congregations is probably worse than not going to church at all. Some of these congregations are as damaging to our society as any cultural marxist.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @iSteveFan

    "In fact attending a church like certain Episcopal or Methodist congregations is probably worse than not going to church at all. Some of these congregations are as damaging to our society as any cultural marxist."

    The United Church of Christ is far left and has been for decades.

  124. iSteveFan says:
    @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan


    I don’t think Cohen was referencing attendance figures.
     
    What else could his reference to the forlorn village priests mean?

    Going to Church doesn’t define one as a Christian.
     
    That's true. I also don't think Orbán is that terribly religious himself. Obviously "keeping Europe Christian" meant "keeping Europe racially white", "Christian" was just a proxy for "white" there. And Cohen knows it, which is why he's essentially replying to a straw man (nobody wants to keep Europe Christian in the religious meaning of the word).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @iSteveFan

    I recall Taki of Taki Magazine once describing that he was a cultural Christian who only attended church on Christmas and Easter. He said he wasn’t necessarily a true believer, but felt our society benefited from Christian morality. So he supported the mother of his children taking them to church as part of their upbringing.

    My hunch is Orban is probably in that mode. My guess is a lot of people on this blog are in that mode too.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan

    We have no disagreement here.

    , @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan

    We have no disagreement here.

  125. @Mark Caplan
    From Philly.com, Jan 21, 2016:

    Philadelphia City Council returned Thursday for its first meeting of the new term. [...] [A] nonbinding resolution was offered suggesting that two Muslim holidays become official city and School District holidays.

    Speaking before a chamber packed with men wearing Muslim prayer caps and women wearing hijabs, Councilman Curtis Jones Jr. said an acquaintance had questioned his timing, considering the recent shooting of a Philadelphia police officer by a man who said he was acting on behalf of Islam and the tension surrounding calls for Muslims to be banned from entry to the United States.

    After Council passed the resolution on a voice vote with no dissent, many of those supporters celebrated by saying, "Allahu akbar," Arabic for "God is the greatest."

    The resolution urges the city and the School District to make the holidays official.

    It received initial support from Mayor Kenney.

    The two holidays in question are Eid al-Fitr, celebrated after the monthlong observance of Ramadan, and Eid al-Adha, celebrated at the conclusion of the annual Hajj pilgrimage.

    Philadelphia, which has an estimated 200,000 Muslims, would not be the first city to add the holidays to the official calendar. Schools in New York City added them to the academic calendar last year.

    Replies: @Jasper Been, @bomag, @EriK

    After Council passed the resolution on a voice vote with no dissent, many of those supporters celebrated by saying, “Allahu akbar,” Arabic for “God is the greatest.”

    Well, at least they know how things work and how to get their way.

    If there is anybody left to rebuild after our current Progressive utopia runs its course, let us hope they have learned some of these lessons.

  126. @Mark Caplan
    From Philly.com, Jan 21, 2016:

    Philadelphia City Council returned Thursday for its first meeting of the new term. [...] [A] nonbinding resolution was offered suggesting that two Muslim holidays become official city and School District holidays.

    Speaking before a chamber packed with men wearing Muslim prayer caps and women wearing hijabs, Councilman Curtis Jones Jr. said an acquaintance had questioned his timing, considering the recent shooting of a Philadelphia police officer by a man who said he was acting on behalf of Islam and the tension surrounding calls for Muslims to be banned from entry to the United States.

    After Council passed the resolution on a voice vote with no dissent, many of those supporters celebrated by saying, "Allahu akbar," Arabic for "God is the greatest."

    The resolution urges the city and the School District to make the holidays official.

    It received initial support from Mayor Kenney.

    The two holidays in question are Eid al-Fitr, celebrated after the monthlong observance of Ramadan, and Eid al-Adha, celebrated at the conclusion of the annual Hajj pilgrimage.

    Philadelphia, which has an estimated 200,000 Muslims, would not be the first city to add the holidays to the official calendar. Schools in New York City added them to the academic calendar last year.

    Replies: @Jasper Been, @bomag, @EriK

    Philadelphia, which has an estimated 200,000 Muslims,

    I wonder what the source of that estimate is.

  127. @Stogumber
    As a German, I'm rather enamoured with Mr. Cohen's point of view. He doesn't single out Hitler and Stalin but includes Churchill (expressively!) and "the victours" of 1945. A little step for humanity, but a bold step for a Jew.

    Replies: @anon

    Umm, reads to me like he’s anti-Churchill and anti-Stalin because they didn’t finish the job and praising Merkel because she is.

  128. Poland was a highly “diverse” (in the modern sense) nation prior to WW2.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Poland

    But after Hitler and Stalin were done with the joint, it was thoroughly Polish. Stalin in particular decided to take advantage of the, shall we say, available opportunity, and solve the problem of minorities in Eastern Europe at least for some time. So he shifted borders and peoples until Eastern Europe ended up with a set of reasonably ethnically and linguistically homogeneous nation-states.

    In light of what happened in Yugoslavia (which was beyond Stalin’s reach) in the 1990s, perhaps Stalin had a point.

  129. @Reg Cæsar

    We incarcerated Japanese Americans during World War II...
     
    No, "we" didn't. Franklin Roosevelt (along with Earl Warren) did. Take him off the damn dime if it really bothers you. I kind of miss Mercury.

    locked our doors to desperate European Jews running from Hitler...
     
    That had to be FDR, too. No one else was in power during Hitler's years.

    enslaved black people and held them in peonage...
     
    That was Democrats. They can pay the reparations.

    and nearly eradicated the Native Americans.
     
    We are the native Americans.

    The answer, my friend
    is Cohen blowin' wind,
    the answer is Cohen blowin' wind

    As Weyl and Possony pointed out over fifty years ago, the Cohens were the less successful priests. Though they do make fine figure skaters and comedians.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Corvinus

    “No, “we” didn’t. Franklin Roosevelt (along with Earl Warren) did. Take him off the damn dime if it really bothers you. I kind of miss Mercury.”

    Actually it was the federal government, under the auspices of the military, along with endorsement of the Supreme Court.

    “That was Democrats. They can pay the reparations.”

    Democrats weren’t around in the 1600’s when slavery became the foundation for the southern economy.

    “We are the native Americans.”

    Tribal groups were the original peoples of the Americas. Europeans invaded, I mean colonized. Americans, as a group, are “native” to this land in that context, but are not the actual “hosts”.

    • Replies: @Calogero
    @Corvinus

    The USA wasn't around in the 1600s either.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @dr kill
    @Corvinus

    Once again, I must point out that there are no native North American Homo Sapiens sapiens, or any other humanoids.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  130. @Leftist conservative
    this Cohen fellow is just defending the corporate profits that will be born of more mass immigration, and when it comes to defending corporate profits, any and all tactics are available, at least as far as the "socialist" media is concerned.

    What? You didn't know that generating propaganda in defense of corporate profits is "socialist"? Get with the times!

    Replies: @CJ

    What? You didn’t know that generating propaganda in defense of corporate profits is “socialist”? Get with the times!

    I have trouble adjusting to that one myself, no matter how often it appears. Too much exposure to 1970s leftism, probably.

  131. @syonredux

    We incarcerated Japanese Americans during World War II,
     
    Some. The ones on the West Coast. Not the ones in Hawaii. Frankly, in terms of great American wrongs (slavery, Amerind expulsions), it's pretty small potatoes.

    locked our doors to desperate European Jews running from Hitler,
     
    Help me out: How many Muslim refugees is Israel taking in?

    enslaved black people and held them in peonage,
     
    Didn't that entail importing non-Europeans?Seems to be a lesson there, somewhere...

    and nearly eradicated the Native Americans.
     
    Mostly via disease.An unavoidable consequence of the "Columbian Exchange."

    Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening,
     
    Which probably has something to do with the fact that the Nazi episode was such a sharply defined period:1933-45, with the major crimes (Holocaust, mass starvation of Soviet POWs, etc) being confined to 1941-45.

    for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.
     
    Ah, the gastro-intestinal school of signalling moral sensitivity...


    And, as always, the crimes of the Stalin epoch go unmentioned:

    Terror Famine: Approx 6 million dead, 3 million in Ukraine alone.

    Great Terror: 682,691 executions.Of this total, 247,157 were killed in "ethnic operations." E.g., The "Polish Action," during which 111,091 ethnic Poles were killed (in some cases, NKVD operatives made their kill quota by selecting Polish names out of phone books).

    Mass killing of Poles: over 20,000 Polish POWs executed at Katyn*

    Ethnic cleansing operations (Chechens, etc): 231,000 deaths (official NKVD estimate)

    GULAG deaths: 1,053,829 official deaths for 1934-53. Add in estimates for 1929-33 plus estimates for people who died en route, or while being interrogated, or shortly after being released, and 1.6 million total deaths in the GULAG for 1929-53 is quite likely.

    etc, etc




    *

    Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin (Russian: Васи́лий Миха́йлович Блохи́н, 7 January 1895 – 3 February 1955) was a Soviet Russian Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov, and Lavrentiy Beria.

    Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin's reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II.[2] He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940,[2][3] making him the most prolific official executioner and mass murderer in recorded world history.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @bomag, @Felix.

    I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” …

    Cohen acknowledges here that, despite the “artistic license” caveat, popular culture has a lot to do with what is considered History. We should be careful who controls that medium.

  132. Okay, so we all know Richard Cohen is an idiot. His article is nonsense, and that’s no surprise. I still can’t get rid of the feeling that Donald Trump is on the verge of imploding. And, of course, it has nothing to do with Cohen’s hysterical and untruthful rant.

    Within the paleo-right, there seems to have been a transition recently with regards to support for Trump. The attitude seems to have gone from, “Donald Trump speaks the truth about immigration,” (which is true) to, “Donald Trump, right or wrong!

    I see this with the willingness of Trump and some (or many) of his supporters to throw Ted Cruz in with the rest of the Republican establishment. While Cruz may not be quite the outsider that Trump is, this simply is inaccurate, and pretty obviously so. To depart from the truth for political reasons isn’t something I like to see in paleo-conservatives. We need to stay focused on the issues and not get into the, “at last, a savior!” mentality.

  133. @Anonymous
    That article by Roger Cohen is as wring as wrong can be. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Spectacularly wrong. Ass-over-tit wrong.

    The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not 'diverse'), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief. To quote a phrase 'it's like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre'.
    Any Roger Cohen should know. Just look at Israel/Palestine.

    Replies: @5371, @Desiderius, @Kylie, @Massimo Heitor

    The real and only point to take from the current EU(German) madness is that voluntarily choosing to create a balkanized, ethnically *divided* (note, not ‘diverse’), nation where none existed before, in nations which were blessed with that ultimate gift of homogeneity and unity is insanity beyond belief.

    Arguably a majority of the German people don’t want to do this. There is organized elite suppression of opposition opinion.

  134. White folks need a new cultural outlook: Golf Totem.

  135. @iSteveFan
    @Desiderius

    Not necessarily. In fact attending a church like certain Episcopal or Methodist congregations is probably worse than not going to church at all. Some of these congregations are as damaging to our society as any cultural marxist.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “In fact attending a church like certain Episcopal or Methodist congregations is probably worse than not going to church at all. Some of these congregations are as damaging to our society as any cultural marxist.”

    The United Church of Christ is far left and has been for decades.

  136. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening, for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch."

    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin' cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW. Clark Gable was not a foreman who wielded the whip over blacks, occasionally stopping to shout "That's it, you slaves! Pick that cotton, faster, FASTER!" Didn't happen. Or the scene where Ashley Wilkes nonchalantly leered at some Sally Hemmings house slave and then said "My, but you're such a sweet young pleasant delightful thing, aren't you? Would you mind immensely if I left my card and called on you next week? And after all, we're practically family since, you know, your father is related to my oldest uncle. wink wink."

    Nope. That scene wasn't in GWTW either. So Cohen must have watched some other film on the airplane.

    In point of fact, in 2015 few if any commercialized airplanes would have actually showed the three hour plus Oscar winning film for fear of being called racist, getting boycotted by Jesse and Al, etc. Michelle Obama, fresh from her recent expertise of reading out the best winning films at the Academy Awards show would have been all over it, along with a teary eyed speech about how one of her own great-great-great-great grandfathers was born into slavery and bravely tried to hitch a ride on the underground railroad before the bloodhounds caught up to him. GWTW, she'd pitifully intone, just invokes the whole unpleasant memories that she would need at least three weeks from which to fully recover. And, how could an airline company do this in 2015 in America, 'cause "that's not who we are!"

    The only thing that Cohen may have recalled when he watched GWTW on some late night rerun decades ago, is that Hattie and Butterfly didn't speak the King's English, a la "12 Years a Slave". Because everyone knows that the Ebonics dialect is a myth and a racist one at that. Frankly I'm a bit surprised that the actors playing NWA in "Straight Outta Compton" weren't cast from the Old Vic Theater or some recent Obie nominated production. Because everyone knows that black folks simply don't speak that way, namely the way that they did in 1939. So wherever that came from that's just plum racist.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Lugash, @CJ, @BurplesonAFB

    Agree with you there. Gone With the Wind on a airplane? That one has to be a nosestretcher.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @CJ


    Gone With the Wind on a airplane? That one has to be a nosestretcher
     
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sVdXg0aYYw
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @CJ

    Not sure you've been on a plane recently, but at least on international flights you have the option of watching hundreds of movies on the screen in front of you, including a significant number of classics. That's with a sardines class ticket.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  137. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.
    @syonredux

    "...That of sophisters, economists, and calculators, has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever."

    Reminds me of those EU economists a few days ago 'discovering' that mass immigration that poses a sharp existential threat to Western civilisation is OK because a net economic positive.

    Burke of course was writing this even before the royal family was done away with and before the full horrors of the revolution had occurred.

    Replies: @anon

    mass immigration that poses a sharp existential threat to Western civilisation is OK because a net economic positive.

    It’s always worth repeating one of the biggest cons in the stats when this comes up.

    Professionals from other western countries are included and by definition high-earning professionals will be a net positive so for example
    – 500k Brit professionals in France
    – 500k French professionals in UK
    (or whatever the actual numbers are) will more or less cancel out in terms of economic impact but they all count in the immigration stats so in each individual country they add a hugely positive number to the economic impact of immigrants.

    By contrast the worst immigrant groups are massively negative in every way (on average) but this is hidden by being cancelled out by the ones making a positive contribution.

    The economic argument is plainly a lie so the people who claim to want mass immigration for economic reasons have either fallen for the con or want it for some other reason – like revenge on the Germans.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @anon

    That is a very important point that needs to be repeated.

  138. The mainstream news in Europe talks constantly about the plight of invaders crossing the med while covering up the tidal wave of sexual violence being inflicted on Europe’s children.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/21/yet-another-migrant-on-child-sex-attack-at-a-european-indoor-pool/

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon

    Migrant Lust Matters

    Where is Ethan Edwards when we need him?

    Even Old Mose had more balls than these Euro-cucks who do nothing about this outrage.

    Replies: @anon

  139. @Wilkey
    @Diversity Heretic

    "Trying to keep the lid on ethnic rivalries and tensions in that area was and is hard enough although a lot of T-34s helps). Importing people from the outside in large numbers and adding them to an already volatile ethnic mix seems little short of madness."

    I think the concept of the narcissism of small differences applies here. The rivalries between groups with very few real differences between them will pale in comparison (in some ways literally - e.g., skin color) to the differences between them and the new arrivals, and the original rivalries will, in theory, evaporate. More likely, though, it won't be enough to eliminate all distrust between the original groups.

    What the establishment is doing is introducing a new group to Balkanize the population and keep the people from ever unifying against them. We keep hearing allusions to the Holocaust, but what they're really afraid of is another French Revolution.


    "And creating ethnic tensions in areas where things had pretty much calmed down (e.g., France and England) is the policy of an elite consumed by greed and virtue-signalling political correctness."

    We just learned about Rotherham roughly, oh, yesterday. I was not aware that ethnic tensions in England and France had calmed down any in the very brief interim since.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Diversity Heretic

    My comment about England and France was largely historical–the English Civil War was in the 17th Century, the Glorious Revolution in 1688, and the Treaty of Union with Scotland 1701. The French Revolution began in 1789 and the Terror was in the 1790s. Compared to the history of eastern and central Europe in the late 19th and 20th Century, England’s and France’s internal history was relatively sedate. The recent importation of Arabs, Africans and South Asians has, unfortunately, changed that. Central and east central Europe had trouble thrust upon them, England and France have imported it.

  140. @Lugash
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It's possible that Cohen watched GWTW on a personal electronic device. But that's still a bit doubtful. The only probable way he could watch it would be on DVD/Bluray, or a rip. And I doubt he knows how to rip discs.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @anon

    Don’t some airlines have a classical movie selection? Might he not have watched it on such a channel?

  141. @Svigor

    The leading Republican presidential candidate struts like a martinet and has taken on the persona, if not the rhetoric, of a hater
     
    Listen to his guy. "OMG my Jew nose can totally smell Hitler."

    while the leader of Germany, an altogether humble woman of clear moral vision, is performing in the Western tradition of enlightened tolerance. How did we lose this war? …
     
    "Gee, if only all of the goyim could have lost the war..."

    What if she denounced the migrants as rapists and criminals — concluding, of course, with the oily lie that, as harsh it may sound, it is the truth?
     
    "Oily lie," lol.

    Look, she could say, it has been done — a wall down the middle of Berlin, separating east from west, and it worked. …
     
    When a wall protects the Soviet Union's interests, we'll put up with it forever. When a wall protects Israel's interests, it's Necessary. When walls protect Whites' interests, they cannot exist even in theory.

    She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities.
     
    Unlike those mature Israelis, who are wonderful at dealing with their Palestinian minority and would never build any walls, erect an Apartheid state, build segregated roads, carpet bomb Palestinian cities, etc.

    Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, is building a fence topped with razor wire in an effort “to keep Europe Christian.” As any forlorn village priest can attest, it is far too late for that.
     
    Jewish Israel staying secular and using ethnic religion as a fig leaf = a-okay. Whites staying secular and using ethnic fig leaf = bad Bad BAD.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123, @neon2

    “if only all of the goyim could have lost the war”.

    Svigor, can’t you see, after seventy years of an increasingly precipitous decline of the historic, Christian West, that that is precisely what did happen?

  142. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix.
    @Anon


    But if you won’t take in this homeless victim of Cohen, YOU are the Nazi.

    What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he’s just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.
     

    He's neither. He's simply agitating for what he perceives to be the ethnic interests of his tribe. There is nothing wrong with that, but by the same token, we should understand that the interests of his tribe and our tribe diverge in the most significant degree imaginable (very survival) and act accordingly. Of course, if we do so he will screech, and screech loudly, but that too is ok, because his screeching can likewise be interpreted as the pursuit of ethnic self interest and thus be ignored.

    TLDR: the morally defective party is not Cohen in his screeching but US in taking his screeching seriously. We as a people are acting like idiots, which is not commendable.

    Replies: @Anon, @Judah Benjamin Hur

    “He’s simply agitating for what he perceives to be the ethnic interests of his tribe.”

    I agree except for the ‘simply’ part.

    Here’s the thing. White gentiles don’t say there is something morally or psychologically wrong for Jews to have Jewish ethnic or national interests. White gentiles may not always see eye-to-eye with it, but they still acknowledge the Jews to care about Jewish identity, issues, culture, history, solidarity, and etc.

    People like Pat Buchanan may disagree with Neocons and Netanyahu, but he fully supports the desire on the part of Jews to preserve Jewishness and serve Jewish interests. People like Buchanan may disagree with the tactics but not with the core identity and interests of Jews.

    In contrast, people like Cohen not only object to the policies of white identity and interests but denounce their very existence. White identity itself is reviled, and having white interests is treated like some kind of mental, moral, and spiritual pathology.

    “I don’t want the (gentile) club to have members who think and feel as I do.”

  143. @anon
    The mainstream news in Europe talks constantly about the plight of invaders crossing the med while covering up the tidal wave of sexual violence being inflicted on Europe's children.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/21/yet-another-migrant-on-child-sex-attack-at-a-european-indoor-pool/

    Replies: @Anon

    Migrant Lust Matters

    Where is Ethan Edwards when we need him?

    Even Old Mose had more balls than these Euro-cucks who do nothing about this outrage.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    Until Merkel's madness most people didn't know the media routinely censor anti-white racial violence.

    It's only the scale and suddenness of the invasion that forced it into the open and the lying media are still doing everything they can to stop people finding out.

    If the majority do find out the truth about how much the media have lied to them over 50 years I think they will react.

  144. @rvg
    People talk here all the time about Japan, Japan's economy is basically in a coma.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-growth

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp

    In nominal terms according to market exchange rates, Japan's GDP in 2014 is no greater than what it was in 1993, if Japan's population to 70 million, think of how much smaller its GDP would be, compared to China, Germany, US, India, or Korea.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Sleep, @ben tillman

    Well, it was and still is high enough, so why should they need a higher GDP? It’s not a contest. Japan’s population will be better off with a smaller GDP all for themselves than with a bigger GDP they’d have to share with tens of millions of immigrants.

  145. @Maj. Kong
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The responding argument will be that Israel is a "nation of refugees" just as the ADL had JFK say that we are a "nation of immigrants". And they would not be far off on the former, the creation of Israel caused equal waves of Arab refugees leaving, and Jewish refugees being expelled from Arab countries.

    With an Arab Muslim population at several times the proportion of any European country, he can claim Israelis are more "tolerant". Of course, its helpful to note that Cohen doesn't actually live in Israel, and is more interested in destroying our people than saving his.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Of course, its helpful to note that Cohen doesn’t actually live in Israel, and is more interested in destroying our people than saving his.

    Which is why Jews who actually do care for Israel (i.e. whose priority is Israel and not the destruction of gentile whites) are actually better than this liberal secular (often half-)breed.

  146. @Mr. Anon
    @Bert

    "Cohen has also been vehemently advocating for starting a humanitarian war in Syria."

    And that's how you know that Cohen is a real humanitarian - his desire to start a humanitarian war. War is a very humanitarian enterprise.

    Replies: @bomag

    He’s just making an omelette, ya know.

  147. @Massimo Heitor
    @reiner Tor


    Then you have to concede that Cohen does have a point: perhaps it’s already a lost battle. All you can do is re-evangelize Europe, but you cannot keep it Christian.
     
    You can't keep people Muslim or Christian, but these institutions can gain relevance and grow or lose relevance and die. Right now, Islam is gaining, Christianity is dying, but that could be reversed.

    I am atheist/agnostic, but I see Christianity as a pillar of Western Civilization and I think pieces of it should be resurrected and modernized. Basic Christian morality is useful and even beautiful: don't lie, don't envy others, help others in need, hate the sin not the sinner. The Crusades were a defensive war against Islam.

    Pope Francis is ruining much of Christianity. Jesus said to help others yourself, not to vote for politics that claims to do so. Jesus never bashed capitalism or anything close like Pope Francis does. Jesus never called for "equality" of wealth or anything remotely close. Jesus downplayed material possessions.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @SFG, @dr kill

    I used up my agree button elsewhere, but yes, I agree.

  148. @iSteveFan
    @reiner Tor

    I recall Taki of Taki Magazine once describing that he was a cultural Christian who only attended church on Christmas and Easter. He said he wasn't necessarily a true believer, but felt our society benefited from Christian morality. So he supported the mother of his children taking them to church as part of their upbringing.

    My hunch is Orban is probably in that mode. My guess is a lot of people on this blog are in that mode too.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @reiner Tor

    We have no disagreement here.

  149. @iSteveFan
    @reiner Tor

    I recall Taki of Taki Magazine once describing that he was a cultural Christian who only attended church on Christmas and Easter. He said he wasn't necessarily a true believer, but felt our society benefited from Christian morality. So he supported the mother of his children taking them to church as part of their upbringing.

    My hunch is Orban is probably in that mode. My guess is a lot of people on this blog are in that mode too.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @reiner Tor

    We have no disagreement here.

  150. @anon
    @Bill B.


    mass immigration that poses a sharp existential threat to Western civilisation is OK because a net economic positive.
     
    It's always worth repeating one of the biggest cons in the stats when this comes up.

    Professionals from other western countries are included and by definition high-earning professionals will be a net positive so for example
    - 500k Brit professionals in France
    - 500k French professionals in UK
    (or whatever the actual numbers are) will more or less cancel out in terms of economic impact but they all count in the immigration stats so in each individual country they add a hugely positive number to the economic impact of immigrants.

    By contrast the worst immigrant groups are massively negative in every way (on average) but this is hidden by being cancelled out by the ones making a positive contribution.

    The economic argument is plainly a lie so the people who claim to want mass immigration for economic reasons have either fallen for the con or want it for some other reason - like revenge on the Germans.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    That is a very important point that needs to be repeated.

  151. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "No, “we” didn’t. Franklin Roosevelt (along with Earl Warren) did. Take him off the damn dime if it really bothers you. I kind of miss Mercury."

    Actually it was the federal government, under the auspices of the military, along with endorsement of the Supreme Court.

    "That was Democrats. They can pay the reparations."

    Democrats weren't around in the 1600's when slavery became the foundation for the southern economy.

    "We are the native Americans."

    Tribal groups were the original peoples of the Americas. Europeans invaded, I mean colonized. Americans, as a group, are "native" to this land in that context, but are not the actual "hosts".

    Replies: @Calogero, @dr kill

    The USA wasn’t around in the 1600s either.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Calogero

    "The USA wasn’t around in the 1600s either."

    I never made that claim.

  152. @Orthodox
    Yes. Poland should be allowed to take East Germany.

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Anon 2, @SFG

    Oh, God. Please, no. Not the Old European Territorial Disputes again. Germany will want Alsace back, and Belgium will split up, and Catalonia and the Basque country will want to be independent, and Northern Italy will try to secede, and…ugh.

    • Replies: @SoItGoes
    @SFG

    I hope that European nationalists have the good sense to focus their attention on Muslims and other aliens and not get distracted by the fratricidal quarrels of the past, but this is probably a case of hope over experience...

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  153. @Big Bill
    @Wilkey

    The narcissism of small differences ruled in New England up until King Philip's War (~1675). The Indians got over their "small differences" to war against the New Englanders and the New Englanders got over their "small differences" to fight back.

    Many historians believe this forced white solidarity for survival was the nucleus of the collective "American" identity.

    Perhaps Muslimo/African depredations will trigger the formation of a similar pan-European identity among whites.

    Replies: @SFG

    I think that’s what we’re seeing, what with Trump and Le Pen and Orban and all.

  154. @Massimo Heitor
    @reiner Tor


    Then you have to concede that Cohen does have a point: perhaps it’s already a lost battle. All you can do is re-evangelize Europe, but you cannot keep it Christian.
     
    You can't keep people Muslim or Christian, but these institutions can gain relevance and grow or lose relevance and die. Right now, Islam is gaining, Christianity is dying, but that could be reversed.

    I am atheist/agnostic, but I see Christianity as a pillar of Western Civilization and I think pieces of it should be resurrected and modernized. Basic Christian morality is useful and even beautiful: don't lie, don't envy others, help others in need, hate the sin not the sinner. The Crusades were a defensive war against Islam.

    Pope Francis is ruining much of Christianity. Jesus said to help others yourself, not to vote for politics that claims to do so. Jesus never bashed capitalism or anything close like Pope Francis does. Jesus never called for "equality" of wealth or anything remotely close. Jesus downplayed material possessions.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @SFG, @dr kill

    He threw the money-changers out of the temple.

  155. Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening, for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.

    Isn’t Cohen saying here that GWTW sugarcoated slavery and that every movie should be Twelve Years a Slave?

  156. @Massimo Heitor
    @reiner Tor


    Then you have to concede that Cohen does have a point: perhaps it’s already a lost battle. All you can do is re-evangelize Europe, but you cannot keep it Christian.
     
    You can't keep people Muslim or Christian, but these institutions can gain relevance and grow or lose relevance and die. Right now, Islam is gaining, Christianity is dying, but that could be reversed.

    I am atheist/agnostic, but I see Christianity as a pillar of Western Civilization and I think pieces of it should be resurrected and modernized. Basic Christian morality is useful and even beautiful: don't lie, don't envy others, help others in need, hate the sin not the sinner. The Crusades were a defensive war against Islam.

    Pope Francis is ruining much of Christianity. Jesus said to help others yourself, not to vote for politics that claims to do so. Jesus never bashed capitalism or anything close like Pope Francis does. Jesus never called for "equality" of wealth or anything remotely close. Jesus downplayed material possessions.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @SFG, @dr kill

    Man, this is the truth. I am atheist, but raised Presbyterian. There is much good to be gained in the New Testament. And, I say to those who need to be scared into proper behavior by the threat of everlasting hell, please remain Christian. Very few indeed are those who can handle complete freedom; the concept of total personal responsibility is a foreign concept in the 21st century.
    The God of the New Testament is a different construct than He of the Old Testament and the Koran.

  157. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "No, “we” didn’t. Franklin Roosevelt (along with Earl Warren) did. Take him off the damn dime if it really bothers you. I kind of miss Mercury."

    Actually it was the federal government, under the auspices of the military, along with endorsement of the Supreme Court.

    "That was Democrats. They can pay the reparations."

    Democrats weren't around in the 1600's when slavery became the foundation for the southern economy.

    "We are the native Americans."

    Tribal groups were the original peoples of the Americas. Europeans invaded, I mean colonized. Americans, as a group, are "native" to this land in that context, but are not the actual "hosts".

    Replies: @Calogero, @dr kill

    Once again, I must point out that there are no native North American Homo Sapiens sapiens, or any other humanoids.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @dr kill

    "Once again, I must point out that there are no native North American Homo Sapiens sapiens, or any other humanoids."

    In the context of the conversation, tribal groups predated the Europeans settling the Americas. Do keep up.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  158. @Buffalo Joe
    @Auntie Analogue

    Auntie, Thank you for mentioning the unmentionable. The Turks, the Islamic Ottoman state, systematically rounded up and exterminated the Armenians, who were Coptic/Orthodox Christian. This was genocide at its worst. The figure of those starved to death or murdered exceeded one million. This all happened during many of our parents lifetime.

    Replies: @Bill

    The Ottoman government did not commit the Armenian Genocide. That was the Young Turks, the people who took over after the Ottomans. And the Young Turks were about as Turkish as the Russian Mafia is Russian.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bill

    The Young Turks took over the Ottoman government.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bill

  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Something caught my eye today. Without going into any details, someone on a non-alt right website with a random group of people posted the following comment (which was basically appropriate in the context of the discussion, but might have left some people scratching their heads), “They hate us because of our freedoms.” I thought it was pretty funny.

  160. @CJ
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Agree with you there. Gone With the Wind on a airplane? That one has to be a nosestretcher.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Judah Benjamin Hur

    Gone With the Wind on a airplane? That one has to be a nosestretcher

    .

  161. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening, for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch."

    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin' cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW. Clark Gable was not a foreman who wielded the whip over blacks, occasionally stopping to shout "That's it, you slaves! Pick that cotton, faster, FASTER!" Didn't happen. Or the scene where Ashley Wilkes nonchalantly leered at some Sally Hemmings house slave and then said "My, but you're such a sweet young pleasant delightful thing, aren't you? Would you mind immensely if I left my card and called on you next week? And after all, we're practically family since, you know, your father is related to my oldest uncle. wink wink."

    Nope. That scene wasn't in GWTW either. So Cohen must have watched some other film on the airplane.

    In point of fact, in 2015 few if any commercialized airplanes would have actually showed the three hour plus Oscar winning film for fear of being called racist, getting boycotted by Jesse and Al, etc. Michelle Obama, fresh from her recent expertise of reading out the best winning films at the Academy Awards show would have been all over it, along with a teary eyed speech about how one of her own great-great-great-great grandfathers was born into slavery and bravely tried to hitch a ride on the underground railroad before the bloodhounds caught up to him. GWTW, she'd pitifully intone, just invokes the whole unpleasant memories that she would need at least three weeks from which to fully recover. And, how could an airline company do this in 2015 in America, 'cause "that's not who we are!"

    The only thing that Cohen may have recalled when he watched GWTW on some late night rerun decades ago, is that Hattie and Butterfly didn't speak the King's English, a la "12 Years a Slave". Because everyone knows that the Ebonics dialect is a myth and a racist one at that. Frankly I'm a bit surprised that the actors playing NWA in "Straight Outta Compton" weren't cast from the Old Vic Theater or some recent Obie nominated production. Because everyone knows that black folks simply don't speak that way, namely the way that they did in 1939. So wherever that came from that's just plum racist.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Lugash, @CJ, @BurplesonAFB

    Many in flight entertainment systems now have a catalog of films for you to select and watch. It’s possible that GWtW would be an option. Alternately, there is in flight internet and netflix, as well as google play and whatever the apple equivalent where you can purchase films for download.

  162. @Anon
    Yikes... if this story is true.

    http://shoebat.com/2016/01/22/german-rebellion-90-of-merkels-own-voters-reject-her-asylum-policy/

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    In the picture of her at that linked article, Merkel looks like a sad baby. Come to think of it, she usually does.

  163. @Erik Sieven
    @Orthodox

    there are already people in Saxony who want separation and others who want to build up against the fence between eastern and western Germany. Also there are surely some people in Poland who start to figure out that Russians might not be their biggest problem but rather the EU.
    I am slowly converging to the world view of Putin, who said the fall of the Sowjet Union was a huge geopolitical catastrophe.
    At some point there needs to be a border between western and eastern Europe, separating afro-arabic, demographically expanding (Lebensraum?), economically dwindling and always a step before civil war western europe from eastern Europe. The relevant question is: where will this border be drawn? Russia and Belorussia will surely be on the safe side, will Poland be? Will Eastern Germany be?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Bies Podkrakowski

    I am slowly converging to the world view of Putin, who said the fall of the Soviet Union was a huge geopolitical catastrophe.

    Yes, in part because it seems to have freed the US up to go completely insane.

  164. because race can be socially constructed if you have enough T-34s

    You know Steve, you don’t think you’re funny but when you’re on a tear you come up with these lines that should be in the movies, destined to be repeated for generations. This should be up there with “go ahead, make my day” and “Christ, I miss the Cold War”.

    • Agree: Kylie
  165. @Bill
    @Buffalo Joe

    The Ottoman government did not commit the Armenian Genocide. That was the Young Turks, the people who took over after the Ottomans. And the Young Turks were about as Turkish as the Russian Mafia is Russian.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Young Turks took over the Ottoman government.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, Thank you, Bill is splitting hairs.

    Replies: @Bill

    , @Bill
    @Steve Sailer

    Wow, what an autistic comment.

  166. ot

    the “coalition of the fringes” makes an appearance on the rush limbaugh show today:

    ” I mean, everybody’s playing this analysis game, and this guy calls and says something that I hadn’t heard said in this fashion. He said, “Rush, I’m 28 years old, and what you need to understand is the way people my age and in my circle are looking at all of this.”

    The first thing he said was, “Let’s look at the two parties. The Democrat Party…” I’m gonna use his words here. He said, “The Democrat Party has become the party of the fringe, the fringes in America,” and without my prompting, he defined what he meant, and he spelled out verbatim the Democrat Party coalition. To him, a 28-year-old Millennial, they are the fringe. The LGBT crowd, the gay-marriage crowd, the civil rights coalitions, the militant feminism, the rape culture-on-campus crowd, everybody trying to make everybody politically correct, the denial of First Amendment, limits on free speech, putting photographers and pizza owners in jail…

    If they don’t do a cake or take pictures or bake a pizza for a gay wedding, put ’em in jail. That’s the Democrat Party, and that’s the party of the fringe. He said the Republican Party is the party of “white people.” But what he meant was, the party of Middle America. He’s talking about the party. They’re not fringe. They’re standard. They are, in his words — well, my words, actually, defining what he meant. He was not speaking racistly or racially in this. He was defining who the various constituent groups are for the political parties.

    Democrats are the fringe, and he said the Republican Party represents the white people of America. White men. He said, basically, white men.”

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/01/22/cnn_can_t_figure_out_what_the_dean_of_conservative_talk_thinks_about_trump

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @newrouter

    Your report on the “coalition of the fringes” appearance on the Rush Limbaugh show is good. Thanks for taking the time.

    , @Anonym
    @newrouter

    That's really interesting. If not an iSteve reader, the influence is undeniable.

  167. @rvg
    People talk here all the time about Japan, Japan's economy is basically in a coma.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-growth

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp

    In nominal terms according to market exchange rates, Japan's GDP in 2014 is no greater than what it was in 1993, if Japan's population to 70 million, think of how much smaller its GDP would be, compared to China, Germany, US, India, or Korea.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Sleep, @ben tillman

    I’m not an economist, but I’ve long found it interesting how Japan completely missed the boat with computers in the early 1990s, and then with cellphones in the 2000’s. They still dominate a lot of consumer electronics industries, and of course they still have their automobile industry, but for some reason they just didn’t seem interested in investing in “new” technologies despite being given much opportunity to do so.

    Korea by contrast has already grabbed a large share of the US cellphone market (LG, Pantech, and the big one: Samsung, are all Korean companies) and a sizable fraction of the rest of the US consumer electronics market (again largely via LG and Samsung). China is still growing.

    Taiwan is now richer, in PPP per capita income, than Japan. Korea is rising slowly but surely to meet them. Both Taiwan and Korea may have caught up to Japan earlier if not for their military spending and its associated problems.

    I agree of course that immigration and birthrates are not the problem with Japan, as the relative success of Korea and Taiwan have shown. Both of those nations have very low birthrates, and have had such for long enough that they are already closing elementary schools all over the place, and they also both have nearly no permanent and very little temporary foreign residence, yet their economies have been booming for fifty years.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Sleep

    Just as an aside...... Korea has lower birthrates than Japan.

    , @Anonymous
    @Sleep

    A lot of the vital chips, and other electronic devices that all modern computers depend in are made in Japan and only Japan.
    The same with the machinery that makes the components in thd first place.

  168. @CJ
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Agree with you there. Gone With the Wind on a airplane? That one has to be a nosestretcher.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Judah Benjamin Hur

    Not sure you’ve been on a plane recently, but at least on international flights you have the option of watching hundreds of movies on the screen in front of you, including a significant number of classics. That’s with a sardines class ticket.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    Since Cohen does not directly say whether the airline was or was not an American inc., and he appears to confuse which scenes he allegedly recalls from GWTW that directly deal with slavery, there is ample reason to be skeptical about his watching GWTW on an airline. Cohen does give the impression that the airline sponsored showing GWTW. In this day and age, if an American based airline did that, it is reasonable to assume that Obama, Sharpon, Jackson, Michelle, etc would be all over this one a la "In 2015/6 America, that's not who we are! This is racist, and this has gotta stop!" As Sharpton has repeatedly called the Confederate battle flag "America's Swastika" perhaps this is what Cohen is referring to: namely, having glimpsed an appearance of a Confederate battle flag during GWTW. It isn't slavery per se, but in his mindset its close enough and might as well be the same thing.

  169. @Felix.
    @Anon


    But if you won’t take in this homeless victim of Cohen, YOU are the Nazi.

    What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he’s just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.
     

    He's neither. He's simply agitating for what he perceives to be the ethnic interests of his tribe. There is nothing wrong with that, but by the same token, we should understand that the interests of his tribe and our tribe diverge in the most significant degree imaginable (very survival) and act accordingly. Of course, if we do so he will screech, and screech loudly, but that too is ok, because his screeching can likewise be interpreted as the pursuit of ethnic self interest and thus be ignored.

    TLDR: the morally defective party is not Cohen in his screeching but US in taking his screeching seriously. We as a people are acting like idiots, which is not commendable.

    Replies: @Anon, @Judah Benjamin Hur

    we should understand that the interests of his tribe and our tribe diverge in the most significant degree imaginable (very survival) and act accordingly.

    It’s interesting that some are determined to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. One thing to remember is the tribe has hundreds of nukes and the world’s most extensive biological weapons program.

    • Replies: @Felix.
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    I was referring to our survival, not theirs.

  170. @Sleep
    @rvg

    I'm not an economist, but I've long found it interesting how Japan completely missed the boat with computers in the early 1990s, and then with cellphones in the 2000's. They still dominate a lot of consumer electronics industries, and of course they still have their automobile industry, but for some reason they just didn't seem interested in investing in "new" technologies despite being given much opportunity to do so.

    Korea by contrast has already grabbed a large share of the US cellphone market (LG, Pantech, and the big one: Samsung, are all Korean companies) and a sizable fraction of the rest of the US consumer electronics market (again largely via LG and Samsung). China is still growing.

    Taiwan is now richer, in PPP per capita income, than Japan. Korea is rising slowly but surely to meet them. Both Taiwan and Korea may have caught up to Japan earlier if not for their military spending and its associated problems.

    I agree of course that immigration and birthrates are not the problem with Japan, as the relative success of Korea and Taiwan have shown. Both of those nations have very low birthrates, and have had such for long enough that they are already closing elementary schools all over the place, and they also both have nearly no permanent and very little temporary foreign residence, yet their economies have been booming for fifty years.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anonymous

    Just as an aside…… Korea has lower birthrates than Japan.

  171. @newrouter
    ot

    the "coalition of the fringes" makes an appearance on the rush limbaugh show today:

    " I mean, everybody's playing this analysis game, and this guy calls and says something that I hadn't heard said in this fashion. He said, "Rush, I'm 28 years old, and what you need to understand is the way people my age and in my circle are looking at all of this."

    The first thing he said was, "Let's look at the two parties. The Democrat Party..." I'm gonna use his words here. He said, "The Democrat Party has become the party of the fringe, the fringes in America," and without my prompting, he defined what he meant, and he spelled out verbatim the Democrat Party coalition. To him, a 28-year-old Millennial, they are the fringe. The LGBT crowd, the gay-marriage crowd, the civil rights coalitions, the militant feminism, the rape culture-on-campus crowd, everybody trying to make everybody politically correct, the denial of First Amendment, limits on free speech, putting photographers and pizza owners in jail...

    If they don't do a cake or take pictures or bake a pizza for a gay wedding, put 'em in jail. That's the Democrat Party, and that's the party of the fringe. He said the Republican Party is the party of "white people." But what he meant was, the party of Middle America. He's talking about the party. They're not fringe. They're standard. They are, in his words -- well, my words, actually, defining what he meant. He was not speaking racistly or racially in this. He was defining who the various constituent groups are for the political parties.

    Democrats are the fringe, and he said the Republican Party represents the white people of America. White men. He said, basically, white men."

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/01/22/cnn_can_t_figure_out_what_the_dean_of_conservative_talk_thinks_about_trump

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anonym

    Your report on the “coalition of the fringes” appearance on the Rush Limbaugh show is good. Thanks for taking the time.

  172. @Anon
    Should Europe be Jordanized?

    Jordanian population is 80% Palestinian because of the Nakba.

    Cohen-ian logic applied to history goes as follows.

    Jewish policy driving out 800,00o Palestinians: necessary and progressive.

    But....

    suppose Jordan had refused to take in Palestinian refugees caused by Zionist policy.

    Why, Jordanians would have been like the Nazis.

    Jordan had to pay the demographic price for Zionist actions.

    And how does Cohenian logic work today?

    Zionist-Globalist foreign policy messes up Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, & Syria and leads to the deaths of 100,00os and the displacement of millions of people: No Problem! It's just spreading democracy and western values.

    But...

    If Europeans say NO to this deluge? They are like Nazis.

    Cohenian logic in action.

    If Cohen takes over someone's house, steals all the property, and kicks him out into the cold, that is not a problem. If anything, we should praise Cohen and defend his action.

    But if you won't take in this homeless victim of Cohen, YOU are the Nazi.

    What a truly vile son of a bitch.
    I wonder if he's just morally blind or sociopathic in his lies and hypocrisy.

    -------------

    What should recent Western policy toward the Middle East be called?

    Mega-nakba, affecting pretty much all Arabs and Muslims in the region.

    Replies: @tbraton, @Felix., @biz

    Jordanian population is 80% Palestinian because of the Nakba

    Are you referring to the 1948 invasion where Israel accepted the UN partition plan but the Arabs did not, and then the Arabs invaded with the stated intent of genociding all of the Jews there, but the Jews stubbornly refused to die? Because that is what Arab propagandists refer to as the Nakba aka “catastrophe.”

    As for Jordan being 80% Palestinian, it is a distinction without a difference. The concept of there being a “Palestinian” people was invented in the 1960s and 1970s to make it seem like Israel was up against an equally small people rather than the entire Arab world. Before that Arabs in Palestine and Arabs in Jordan alike called themselves “South Syrians” and identified as Arabs and members of particular tribes but never as “Palestinians” or not. Any reference to a “Palestinian” in the 1940s and 1950s meant a Jew. The “Palestinian” Arabs and the Jordanian Arabs are exactly the same people.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @biz

    Arabs are genetically more Semitic than are modern Jews. Thus they must be even bigger dissimulators. HBD, you know.

    Replies: @biz

  173. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @anon

    Migrant Lust Matters

    Where is Ethan Edwards when we need him?

    Even Old Mose had more balls than these Euro-cucks who do nothing about this outrage.

    Replies: @anon

    Until Merkel’s madness most people didn’t know the media routinely censor anti-white racial violence.

    It’s only the scale and suddenness of the invasion that forced it into the open and the lying media are still doing everything they can to stop people finding out.

    If the majority do find out the truth about how much the media have lied to them over 50 years I think they will react.

  174. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill

    The Young Turks took over the Ottoman government.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bill

    Steve, Thank you, Bill is splitting hairs.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Buffalo Joe

    Cool. I don't think I've ever seen projection by proxy before.

  175. Yes, it’s way prudent to let bygones be bygones — so funny to read that, on a site where many of the writers cannot get around the result of the U.S. Civil War, among other recent trauma. Granted the Washington Post ought to set a better example!

    Thanks to social media we are all free to be practitioners of mau-mau ghetto identity politicking, wave bloody shirts, etc. HBO even had a documentary about how hard it is being born into a Billionaire-American family…

  176. Cohen.

    The name says it all.

  177. At bottom, the difference between the leading Republican candidate and the leading German is an appreciation of history. Merkel knows that the new Europe skates on the thinnest of ice. She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities. She knows that ethnic peace has been achieved by ethnic cleansing and population transfers that the Nazis and the Soviets initiated and the World War II victors continued. Winston Churchill had it about right when he told the House of Commons in 1944 that “expulsion is the method which, insofar as we have been able to see, will be the most satisfactory and lasting. There will be no mixture of populations to cause endless trouble. . . . A clean sweep will be made.”

    Does it strike anyone else as odd that this paragraph is part of a piece that argues that Merkel’s position is wise and nuanced? It illustrates the exact opposite position!

    Is Cohen that scatterbrained, or is this, perhaps, an attempt to smuggle crimethink to the readers of a mainstream publication?

    • Replies: @anon
    @a Newsreader

    He's arguing for


    A clean sweep will be made.
     
    criticizing Churchill and Stalin because they didn't finish the job

    and praising Merkel because she is.
  178. @rvg
    People talk here all the time about Japan, Japan's economy is basically in a coma.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-growth

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp

    In nominal terms according to market exchange rates, Japan's GDP in 2014 is no greater than what it was in 1993, if Japan's population to 70 million, think of how much smaller its GDP would be, compared to China, Germany, US, India, or Korea.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Sleep, @ben tillman

    People talk here all the time about Japan, Japan’s economy is basically in a coma.

    Sorry, not interested.

  179. @Big Bill
    @Diversity Heretic

    We used to have a term for turning homogeneous polities into a squabbling morass of ethnicities. Not "diversifying" but "balkanizing".

    Replies: @ben tillman

    We used to have a term for turning homogeneous polities into a squabbling morass of ethnicities. Not “diversifying” but “balkanizing”.

    “Dissolving” or “destroying” would be bit more apposite.

  180. @Reg Cæsar
    @reiner Tor


    This means that I think if people really do have inherited ancestral sin, the sin of slavery is something that mostly blacks have and whites don’t.
     
    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don't see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor. At ten generations, you have 1,024 forebears.. It's almost impossible for someone of significant New England, New Netherland, or mid-Atlantic ancestry not to bump into a slaveowner or two in his genealogy, despite the limited range and time of slavery in those territories.

    Not that any of this matters. Meanwhile, you can have fum searching for slaveowners in Barack Obama's line:

    http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ancestors_of_Barack_Obama

    Replies: @iffen, @reiner Tor, @ben tillman

    Unless he descends from inbred hillbilly stock, I don’t see how a white Southerner of colonial stock could possibly not have a slaveowning ancestor. At ten generations, you have 1,024 forebears.

    You *might* have 1024 forebears, but it’s highly unlikely.

  181. @Massimo Heitor
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    And on this particular point, I think Mr Cohen is deliberately lying. There was no direct scene of plantation in the fields, pickin’ cotton, etc. what most Americans imagine that Antebellum Southern slavery to have been in GWTW.
     
    Gone With The Wind painted a happy picture of slavery. It kind of morally defends slavery as not that bad, which is the offensive part. I find it somewhat offensive and distasteful and I am alt right.

    I hate Gone With the Wind because of the non-racial tragedy (I don't want to spoil it) in the story. If I ever want to feel miserable and terrible about the world I just can think of that movie.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman

    Gone With The Wind painted a happy picture of slavery. It kind of morally defends slavery as not that bad, which is the offensive part.

    Let me venture a guess: You have no idea how bad it actually was.

  182. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @CJ

    Not sure you've been on a plane recently, but at least on international flights you have the option of watching hundreds of movies on the screen in front of you, including a significant number of classics. That's with a sardines class ticket.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Since Cohen does not directly say whether the airline was or was not an American inc., and he appears to confuse which scenes he allegedly recalls from GWTW that directly deal with slavery, there is ample reason to be skeptical about his watching GWTW on an airline. Cohen does give the impression that the airline sponsored showing GWTW. In this day and age, if an American based airline did that, it is reasonable to assume that Obama, Sharpon, Jackson, Michelle, etc would be all over this one a la “In 2015/6 America, that’s not who we are! This is racist, and this has gotta stop!” As Sharpton has repeatedly called the Confederate battle flag “America’s Swastika” perhaps this is what Cohen is referring to: namely, having glimpsed an appearance of a Confederate battle flag during GWTW. It isn’t slavery per se, but in his mindset its close enough and might as well be the same thing.

  183. @TR
    Were you being sarcastic?
    How could you say that race has no genetic basis at all and then post a genetic study proving that there is meaningful variance among neighbors precisely because they segregated themselves based on their post-war social construct of race.

    On topic, Cohen is clearly a Jew (by last name), and while I do not intend to instigate any trouble, I think it's worth pointing out that since the Jews were almost wiped out less than a hundred years they have every reason to convince Europeans to stay away from nationalism. It's a survival mechanism that heavily influences their (esp. Cohen's) ideology as written above.

    This is why the American education systems (IDK about the EU's) demonizes the Nazis and marginalizes all intellectual discussion of racism simply by banning it. The idea is that as long as White people never become nationalistic enough to put their interests first, the Jews will survive and prosper. It's essentially racial subjugation disguised as pro-social egalitarianism for the purpose of survival and power, which of course only benefits the minorities. Cohen's article here is simply an attempt to prod the people into his narrative because he sees Trump (powerful nationalistic white man) as a threat to it.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @gruff

    On topic, Cohen is clearly a Jew (by last name), and while I do not intend to instigate any trouble, I think it’s worth pointing out that since the Jews were almost wiped out less than a hundred years they have every reason to convince Europeans to stay away from nationalism.

    They have a reason to prevent nationalism among the Europeans they live among. But why do they want to risk their own lives at a terrible expense to the nations they “have reason” to want to dissolve? Wouldn’t it be better for both parties if they lived apart?

    • Replies: @TR
    @ben tillman

    Ben, I totally agree with you, and that's the idea behind Israel - but in the world at large undermining a nation makes it easier to divide and manipulate. You can create other enemies to pit against the people that would otherwise oppress you. For example, if there's another Holocaust in Europe, it will be against the Muslims, not the Jews.

    Either way I doubt most common people think this way. It's only the evil George Soros of the world (does Angela Merkel now make the grade too?) that establish this sort of bull****.

    Even the politicians are just playing their roles in a system pre-modeled for them by guys like him. I doubt people like Cohen here have an evil endgame, they've just been conditioned to adopt the moral codes set forth by others because everyone else shares them and by pursuing them they can keep their job and advance their careers.

  184. @dr kill
    @Corvinus

    Once again, I must point out that there are no native North American Homo Sapiens sapiens, or any other humanoids.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Once again, I must point out that there are no native North American Homo Sapiens sapiens, or any other humanoids.”

    In the context of the conversation, tribal groups predated the Europeans settling the Americas. Do keep up.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    Hold it. Hold it. You have to finish the sentence.

    From a scientific DNA perspective, tribal groups from EURASIA settled the North American continent.

    There. Sentence, context and scientific accuracy is completed.

    You're welcome.

  185. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It's possible that Cohen watched GWTW on a personal electronic device. But that's still a bit doubtful. The only probable way he could watch it would be on DVD/Bluray, or a rip. And I doubt he knows how to rip discs.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @anon

    He writes for a paper owned by Jeff Bezos. I’m sure someone has explained to him how Amazon video works.

    Although I don’t know why he would mention it happened on a plane unless he wanted us to think the airline showed it.

    I hate to say it, but it kind of makes me wonder if maybe his story about sitting and retching because of the depiction of slavery in an enormously popular, decades-old movie that he’s almost certainly seen before might not be 100% accurate.

  186. @Calogero
    @Corvinus

    The USA wasn't around in the 1600s either.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The USA wasn’t around in the 1600s either.”

    I never made that claim.

  187. • Replies: @anon
    @syonredux

    Lying to themselves about the bits of their history where they were the bad guys is what drives the one-sided paranoia that leads to support for the current invasion disaster unfolding in Europe.

  188. @SFG
    @Orthodox

    Oh, God. Please, no. Not the Old European Territorial Disputes again. Germany will want Alsace back, and Belgium will split up, and Catalonia and the Basque country will want to be independent, and Northern Italy will try to secede, and...ugh.

    Replies: @SoItGoes

    I hope that European nationalists have the good sense to focus their attention on Muslims and other aliens and not get distracted by the fratricidal quarrels of the past, but this is probably a case of hope over experience…

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @SoItGoes

    Most Hungarian nationalists are now resigned to the fact that we won't get back any of the territories lost after the dissolution of Austria-Hungary.

    In fact, Slovakia's more or less anti-Hungarian nationalist leadership is now among Orbán's fiercest allies in Europe.

    I think there's potential for the same thing with regards to Romania.

    Replies: @anon

  189. @TR
    Were you being sarcastic?
    How could you say that race has no genetic basis at all and then post a genetic study proving that there is meaningful variance among neighbors precisely because they segregated themselves based on their post-war social construct of race.

    On topic, Cohen is clearly a Jew (by last name), and while I do not intend to instigate any trouble, I think it's worth pointing out that since the Jews were almost wiped out less than a hundred years they have every reason to convince Europeans to stay away from nationalism. It's a survival mechanism that heavily influences their (esp. Cohen's) ideology as written above.

    This is why the American education systems (IDK about the EU's) demonizes the Nazis and marginalizes all intellectual discussion of racism simply by banning it. The idea is that as long as White people never become nationalistic enough to put their interests first, the Jews will survive and prosper. It's essentially racial subjugation disguised as pro-social egalitarianism for the purpose of survival and power, which of course only benefits the minorities. Cohen's article here is simply an attempt to prod the people into his narrative because he sees Trump (powerful nationalistic white man) as a threat to it.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @gruff

    Were you being sarcastic?
    How could you say that race has no genetic basis at all and then post a genetic study proving that there is meaningful variance among neighbors precisely because they segregated themselves based on their post-war social construct of race.

    You must be new here.

  190. @Sleep
    @rvg

    I'm not an economist, but I've long found it interesting how Japan completely missed the boat with computers in the early 1990s, and then with cellphones in the 2000's. They still dominate a lot of consumer electronics industries, and of course they still have their automobile industry, but for some reason they just didn't seem interested in investing in "new" technologies despite being given much opportunity to do so.

    Korea by contrast has already grabbed a large share of the US cellphone market (LG, Pantech, and the big one: Samsung, are all Korean companies) and a sizable fraction of the rest of the US consumer electronics market (again largely via LG and Samsung). China is still growing.

    Taiwan is now richer, in PPP per capita income, than Japan. Korea is rising slowly but surely to meet them. Both Taiwan and Korea may have caught up to Japan earlier if not for their military spending and its associated problems.

    I agree of course that immigration and birthrates are not the problem with Japan, as the relative success of Korea and Taiwan have shown. Both of those nations have very low birthrates, and have had such for long enough that they are already closing elementary schools all over the place, and they also both have nearly no permanent and very little temporary foreign residence, yet their economies have been booming for fifty years.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anonymous

    A lot of the vital chips, and other electronic devices that all modern computers depend in are made in Japan and only Japan.
    The same with the machinery that makes the components in thd first place.

  191. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Felix.


    we should understand that the interests of his tribe and our tribe diverge in the most significant degree imaginable (very survival) and act accordingly.
     
    It's interesting that some are determined to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. One thing to remember is the tribe has hundreds of nukes and the world's most extensive biological weapons program.

    Replies: @Felix.

    I was referring to our survival, not theirs.

  192. @SoItGoes
    @SFG

    I hope that European nationalists have the good sense to focus their attention on Muslims and other aliens and not get distracted by the fratricidal quarrels of the past, but this is probably a case of hope over experience...

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Most Hungarian nationalists are now resigned to the fact that we won’t get back any of the territories lost after the dissolution of Austria-Hungary.

    In fact, Slovakia’s more or less anti-Hungarian nationalist leadership is now among Orbán’s fiercest allies in Europe.

    I think there’s potential for the same thing with regards to Romania.

    • Replies: @anon
    @reiner Tor

    Who knows - if the east Europeans band together against the EU's plan to minoritize them maybe they'll extract Austria from the EU :)

    j/k

  193. @syonredux

    We incarcerated Japanese Americans during World War II,
     
    Some. The ones on the West Coast. Not the ones in Hawaii. Frankly, in terms of great American wrongs (slavery, Amerind expulsions), it's pretty small potatoes.

    locked our doors to desperate European Jews running from Hitler,
     
    Help me out: How many Muslim refugees is Israel taking in?

    enslaved black people and held them in peonage,
     
    Didn't that entail importing non-Europeans?Seems to be a lesson there, somewhere...

    and nearly eradicated the Native Americans.
     
    Mostly via disease.An unavoidable consequence of the "Columbian Exchange."

    Unlike Germany, which unflinchingly stares at a history both repellent and frightening,
     
    Which probably has something to do with the fact that the Nazi episode was such a sharply defined period:1933-45, with the major crimes (Holocaust, mass starvation of Soviet POWs, etc) being confined to 1941-45.

    for the longest time we either shamelessly ignored our history or rewrote it to conform to myth. On an airplane recently, I watched a bit of “Gone With the Wind.” Its depiction of slavery made me retch.
     
    Ah, the gastro-intestinal school of signalling moral sensitivity...


    And, as always, the crimes of the Stalin epoch go unmentioned:

    Terror Famine: Approx 6 million dead, 3 million in Ukraine alone.

    Great Terror: 682,691 executions.Of this total, 247,157 were killed in "ethnic operations." E.g., The "Polish Action," during which 111,091 ethnic Poles were killed (in some cases, NKVD operatives made their kill quota by selecting Polish names out of phone books).

    Mass killing of Poles: over 20,000 Polish POWs executed at Katyn*

    Ethnic cleansing operations (Chechens, etc): 231,000 deaths (official NKVD estimate)

    GULAG deaths: 1,053,829 official deaths for 1934-53. Add in estimates for 1929-33 plus estimates for people who died en route, or while being interrogated, or shortly after being released, and 1.6 million total deaths in the GULAG for 1929-53 is quite likely.

    etc, etc




    *

    Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin (Russian: Васи́лий Миха́йлович Блохи́н, 7 January 1895 – 3 February 1955) was a Soviet Russian Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov, and Lavrentiy Beria.

    Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin's reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II.[2] He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940,[2][3] making him the most prolific official executioner and mass murderer in recorded world history.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @bomag, @Felix.

    Today nobody is really aware of it, but I’m sure that it did not escape people at the time that in the great Jew-Gentile struggle of the early 20th century the Jews struck first. The Bolshevik movement was almost entirely dominated by Jewish intellectuals, and Jews formed much of the high, middle, and even low-level Bolshevik functionaries.

    And what did the Bolsheviks do upon attaining absolute power in Russia? They launched upon an unprecedented campaign of terror that saw the murder and torture of tens of millions of ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, and other eastern Europeans unfortunate enough to find themselves in the orbit of their power. The bulk of the Nazis’ anti-Semitic efforts came well nigh 20 years after this “first strike.” People in Russia are well aware of this history to this day, but in the West the facts behind the annihilation of tens of millions of people remain a complete historical black hole.

    He who controls the present controls the past, and all that jazz. lol

  194. @boogerbently
    Hitler is the greatest thing to ever happen, for politicians.
    If not for him, who else could they accuse their adversaries of being like ?

    Replies: @Bacon Eater

    Hitler is the greatest thing to ever happen, for politicians.
    If not for him, who else could they accuse their adversaries of being like ?

    At least some politicians in the pre-Hitler age made comparisons to Pharaoh instead. Enslaved the Israelites, robbed them*, overworked them, killed every male child, and ten minutes after the Israelites depart in the “Let my people go” affair, Pharaoh decides “Get those people back” and tries to recapture the people he’s just spent years oppressing. Rather nasty point of comparison, that.

    * This is not redundant. Slaves were usually allowed to own property.

  195. Most Hungarian nationalists are now resigned to the fact that we won’t get back any of the territories lost after the dissolution of Austria-Hungary.

    Smaller is better, if smaller means purer.

    However, you still have to make something of the result. Mexico, Mongolia, and Somalia haven’t been able to profit much from their gift of shrunken borders.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Reg Cæsar

    Actually, I don't think most Hungarians ever minded losing most of Slovakia (literally everybody in Hungary was happy with the late 1938 Slovak-Hungarian border, which almost perfectly matched the then ethnic boundary) or Croatia (which was never fully considered part of Hungary) or other areas where few or no ethnic Hungarians lived. The reason it was - and still is - considered such a national tragedy is that it put a full third of the ethnically Hungarian population under the rule of our neighbors. In my opinion, if the border had been drawn merely 50 kilometers (~30 miles) from where they are now (which were basically ethnically 90% Hungarian with at least two thirds of the lost Hungarian population), people would sooner or later have seen the loss of ethnic minority areas as a huge boon, which it definetely would have been.

  196. What’s really depressing is that Cohen is regarded by many as a thoughtful moderate.

  197. @biz
    @Anon


    Jordanian population is 80% Palestinian because of the Nakba
     
    Are you referring to the 1948 invasion where Israel accepted the UN partition plan but the Arabs did not, and then the Arabs invaded with the stated intent of genociding all of the Jews there, but the Jews stubbornly refused to die? Because that is what Arab propagandists refer to as the Nakba aka "catastrophe."

    As for Jordan being 80% Palestinian, it is a distinction without a difference. The concept of there being a "Palestinian" people was invented in the 1960s and 1970s to make it seem like Israel was up against an equally small people rather than the entire Arab world. Before that Arabs in Palestine and Arabs in Jordan alike called themselves "South Syrians" and identified as Arabs and members of particular tribes but never as "Palestinians" or not. Any reference to a "Palestinian" in the 1940s and 1950s meant a Jew. The "Palestinian" Arabs and the Jordanian Arabs are exactly the same people.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Arabs are genetically more Semitic than are modern Jews. Thus they must be even bigger dissimulators. HBD, you know.

    • Replies: @biz
    @Reg Cæsar


    Arabs are genetically more Semitic than are modern Jews. Thus they must be even bigger dissimulators. HBD, you know.
     
    I'm not sure what this comment means. It is impossible to be "genetically Semitic" since Semitic is a just language family. The languages include Arabic, Maltese, and the highland Ethiopian languages such as Amharic and Trigryna. Since the speakers of these languages clearly don't have much particular phenotypic similarity, and there are no Y-chromosome, MtDNA, or autosomal DNA markers associated with speakers of these languages writ large, there is no such thing as genetically Semitic.

    If I failed to pick up on some snark my bad.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

  198. @ben tillman
    @TR


    On topic, Cohen is clearly a Jew (by last name), and while I do not intend to instigate any trouble, I think it’s worth pointing out that since the Jews were almost wiped out less than a hundred years they have every reason to convince Europeans to stay away from nationalism.
     
    They have a reason to prevent nationalism among the Europeans they live among. But why do they want to risk their own lives at a terrible expense to the nations they "have reason" to want to dissolve? Wouldn't it be better for both parties if they lived apart?

    Replies: @TR

    Ben, I totally agree with you, and that’s the idea behind Israel – but in the world at large undermining a nation makes it easier to divide and manipulate. You can create other enemies to pit against the people that would otherwise oppress you. For example, if there’s another Holocaust in Europe, it will be against the Muslims, not the Jews.

    Either way I doubt most common people think this way. It’s only the evil George Soros of the world (does Angela Merkel now make the grade too?) that establish this sort of bull****.

    Even the politicians are just playing their roles in a system pre-modeled for them by guys like him. I doubt people like Cohen here have an evil endgame, they’ve just been conditioned to adopt the moral codes set forth by others because everyone else shares them and by pursuing them they can keep their job and advance their careers.

  199. @Reg Cæsar

    Most Hungarian nationalists are now resigned to the fact that we won’t get back any of the territories lost after the dissolution of Austria-Hungary.
     
    Smaller is better, if smaller means purer.

    However, you still have to make something of the result. Mexico, Mongolia, and Somalia haven't been able to profit much from their gift of shrunken borders.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Actually, I don’t think most Hungarians ever minded losing most of Slovakia (literally everybody in Hungary was happy with the late 1938 Slovak-Hungarian border, which almost perfectly matched the then ethnic boundary) or Croatia (which was never fully considered part of Hungary) or other areas where few or no ethnic Hungarians lived. The reason it was – and still is – considered such a national tragedy is that it put a full third of the ethnically Hungarian population under the rule of our neighbors. In my opinion, if the border had been drawn merely 50 kilometers (~30 miles) from where they are now (which were basically ethnically 90% Hungarian with at least two thirds of the lost Hungarian population), people would sooner or later have seen the loss of ethnic minority areas as a huge boon, which it definetely would have been.

  200. @Corvinus
    @dr kill

    "Once again, I must point out that there are no native North American Homo Sapiens sapiens, or any other humanoids."

    In the context of the conversation, tribal groups predated the Europeans settling the Americas. Do keep up.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Hold it. Hold it. You have to finish the sentence.

    From a scientific DNA perspective, tribal groups from EURASIA settled the North American continent.

    There. Sentence, context and scientific accuracy is completed.

    You’re welcome.

  201. http://www.timesofisrael.com/merkel-anti-semitism-more-widespread-than-we-imagined/

    Hmmm, maybe she should worry about anti-Germanism first.

    NYT and etc are urging Germany to destroy itself.

    As a German leader, her responsibility is to protect Germany from hostile alien elites and hostile alien hordes.

    She has failed on BOTH counts.

  202. @newrouter
    ot

    the "coalition of the fringes" makes an appearance on the rush limbaugh show today:

    " I mean, everybody's playing this analysis game, and this guy calls and says something that I hadn't heard said in this fashion. He said, "Rush, I'm 28 years old, and what you need to understand is the way people my age and in my circle are looking at all of this."

    The first thing he said was, "Let's look at the two parties. The Democrat Party..." I'm gonna use his words here. He said, "The Democrat Party has become the party of the fringe, the fringes in America," and without my prompting, he defined what he meant, and he spelled out verbatim the Democrat Party coalition. To him, a 28-year-old Millennial, they are the fringe. The LGBT crowd, the gay-marriage crowd, the civil rights coalitions, the militant feminism, the rape culture-on-campus crowd, everybody trying to make everybody politically correct, the denial of First Amendment, limits on free speech, putting photographers and pizza owners in jail...

    If they don't do a cake or take pictures or bake a pizza for a gay wedding, put 'em in jail. That's the Democrat Party, and that's the party of the fringe. He said the Republican Party is the party of "white people." But what he meant was, the party of Middle America. He's talking about the party. They're not fringe. They're standard. They are, in his words -- well, my words, actually, defining what he meant. He was not speaking racistly or racially in this. He was defining who the various constituent groups are for the political parties.

    Democrats are the fringe, and he said the Republican Party represents the white people of America. White men. He said, basically, white men."

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/01/22/cnn_can_t_figure_out_what_the_dean_of_conservative_talk_thinks_about_trump

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anonym

    That’s really interesting. If not an iSteve reader, the influence is undeniable.

  203. @a Newsreader

    At bottom, the difference between the leading Republican candidate and the leading German is an appreciation of history. Merkel knows that the new Europe skates on the thinnest of ice. She knows that Europe is awful at dealing with minorities. She knows that ethnic peace has been achieved by ethnic cleansing and population transfers that the Nazis and the Soviets initiated and the World War II victors continued. Winston Churchill had it about right when he told the House of Commons in 1944 that “expulsion is the method which, insofar as we have been able to see, will be the most satisfactory and lasting. There will be no mixture of populations to cause endless trouble. . . . A clean sweep will be made.”
     
    Does it strike anyone else as odd that this paragraph is part of a piece that argues that Merkel's position is wise and nuanced? It illustrates the exact opposite position!

    Is Cohen that scatterbrained, or is this, perhaps, an attempt to smuggle crimethink to the readers of a mainstream publication?

    Replies: @anon

    He’s arguing for

    A clean sweep will be made.

    criticizing Churchill and Stalin because they didn’t finish the job

    and praising Merkel because she is.

  204. @syonredux
    Wonder if Richard Cohen has read up on Jews and slavery:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayer_Lehman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Lopez

    Replies: @anon

    Lying to themselves about the bits of their history where they were the bad guys is what drives the one-sided paranoia that leads to support for the current invasion disaster unfolding in Europe.

  205. @reiner Tor
    @SoItGoes

    Most Hungarian nationalists are now resigned to the fact that we won't get back any of the territories lost after the dissolution of Austria-Hungary.

    In fact, Slovakia's more or less anti-Hungarian nationalist leadership is now among Orbán's fiercest allies in Europe.

    I think there's potential for the same thing with regards to Romania.

    Replies: @anon

    Who knows – if the east Europeans band together against the EU’s plan to minoritize them maybe they’ll extract Austria from the EU 🙂

    j/k

  206. @Reg Cæsar
    @biz

    Arabs are genetically more Semitic than are modern Jews. Thus they must be even bigger dissimulators. HBD, you know.

    Replies: @biz

    Arabs are genetically more Semitic than are modern Jews. Thus they must be even bigger dissimulators. HBD, you know.

    I’m not sure what this comment means. It is impossible to be “genetically Semitic” since Semitic is a just language family. The languages include Arabic, Maltese, and the highland Ethiopian languages such as Amharic and Trigryna. Since the speakers of these languages clearly don’t have much particular phenotypic similarity, and there are no Y-chromosome, MtDNA, or autosomal DNA markers associated with speakers of these languages writ large, there is no such thing as genetically Semitic.

    If I failed to pick up on some snark my bad.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @biz


    It is impossible to be “genetically Semitic” since Semitic is a just language family
     
    Prof Glayde Whitney in American Renaissance About 15 years ago reported on a study showing modern Jews to be primarily "Semitic" in the male line, if not overall. I don't know how or if he defined "Semitic", but it was clear he meant related to Arabs and other nearby tribes in that area. Not Ethiopians, Somalis, or other outliers who picked up Semitic language somewhere along the way.

    And, yes, I confess to a dollop of snark in that comment. My ideal triple-crown comment is funny, snarky, and makes a valid point. Laugh, but think, too.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @biz

    There is a an ethnic component to Jewishness, and there are subtle differences between Jewish subpopulations. A large full genome sequencing study published in late 2014 showed that the Ashkenazi population is a roughly even mix of Middle Eastern and Southern European genetic components. The European component was perhaps even slightly underestimated by that paper because the main European reference population used was Flemish rather than Southern European. Regardless, there is a discernible Middle Eastern component to Ashkenazi ancestry and that of other Jewish populations. Earlier Y chromosome studies from the late 1990's and early 2000's had shown that Ashkenazi Y chromosomes appeared very Middle Eastern and showed little sign of European admixture, whereas mitochondrial DNA (maternal transmitted) studies were less clearcut. A subsequent paper published in 2013 made a strong case that Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA is mostly European in origin. So the European admixture is thought to have been female-mediated. I hope this explains and expands on Reg Caesar's reply to your comment.

  207. @AndrewR
    @Cagey Beast

    So Jews are turning in their graves because Marion has a good relationship with her grandfather, whose opinions she very publicly criticizes?

    What does the BBC want? What do Jews want? For people to disown kin with non-kosher opinions? Goddamn I am pissed.

    Don't get me started on the claim that a few hoodlums desecrating a cemetary is almost as outrageous as murdering over 100 people in cold blood.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    The entire Le Pen family could retire from politics, the Front National could disband after issuing an apology urbi et orbi to all Jews living, dead and not yet born and it would still not be enough. Political correctness (or cultural Marxism) is a cult that offers no redemption, as someone else on the web wisely said.

  208. @Cagey Beast
    OT but related:

    Here's a recent BBC interview with Marion Maréchal Le Pen which, you guessed it, spends lots of time fretting about the legacy of WW2 and anti-Semitism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNA0AyKBV1E

    She describes her grandfather as a "not a conservative but a right-wing anarchist" which sounds right.

    Replies: @syonredux, @AndrewR, @Bill B.

    Yes I liked the line about Jean-Marie Le Pen being a right-wing anarchist.

    But why does the interviewer keep banging on about Marion still talking to her grandfather in a tone of ‘So why do you keep putting on this Nazi uniform?’

    I mean the old man has actually been ejected from the FN, what else does he want?

    There is a rich history of rather fruity political ideas in France that I understand helps fuel the enmity of critics of the FN. But I can’t quite grasp why it is still traduced so vigorously these days, especially as, as Marion says, the other parties have been forced to copy many key parts of its program on things like immigration.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Bill B.

    [Yes I liked the line about Jean-Marie Le Pen being a right-wing anarchist.]

    It became famous as the self-classification of the historian Philippe Ariès.

  209. @biz
    @Reg Cæsar


    Arabs are genetically more Semitic than are modern Jews. Thus they must be even bigger dissimulators. HBD, you know.
     
    I'm not sure what this comment means. It is impossible to be "genetically Semitic" since Semitic is a just language family. The languages include Arabic, Maltese, and the highland Ethiopian languages such as Amharic and Trigryna. Since the speakers of these languages clearly don't have much particular phenotypic similarity, and there are no Y-chromosome, MtDNA, or autosomal DNA markers associated with speakers of these languages writ large, there is no such thing as genetically Semitic.

    If I failed to pick up on some snark my bad.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    It is impossible to be “genetically Semitic” since Semitic is a just language family

    Prof Glayde Whitney in American Renaissance About 15 years ago reported on a study showing modern Jews to be primarily “Semitic” in the male line, if not overall. I don’t know how or if he defined “Semitic”, but it was clear he meant related to Arabs and other nearby tribes in that area. Not Ethiopians, Somalis, or other outliers who picked up Semitic language somewhere along the way.

    And, yes, I confess to a dollop of snark in that comment. My ideal triple-crown comment is funny, snarky, and makes a valid point. Laugh, but think, too.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Damn, the Mrs is hogging the PC, so I can't go back and remove the italics. It would be nice if Edit worked on all devices.

  210. @Reg Cæsar
    @biz


    It is impossible to be “genetically Semitic” since Semitic is a just language family
     
    Prof Glayde Whitney in American Renaissance About 15 years ago reported on a study showing modern Jews to be primarily "Semitic" in the male line, if not overall. I don't know how or if he defined "Semitic", but it was clear he meant related to Arabs and other nearby tribes in that area. Not Ethiopians, Somalis, or other outliers who picked up Semitic language somewhere along the way.

    And, yes, I confess to a dollop of snark in that comment. My ideal triple-crown comment is funny, snarky, and makes a valid point. Laugh, but think, too.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Damn, the Mrs is hogging the PC, so I can’t go back and remove the italics. It would be nice if Edit worked on all devices.

  211. @Bill B.
    @Cagey Beast

    Yes I liked the line about Jean-Marie Le Pen being a right-wing anarchist.

    But why does the interviewer keep banging on about Marion still talking to her grandfather in a tone of 'So why do you keep putting on this Nazi uniform?'

    I mean the old man has actually been ejected from the FN, what else does he want?

    There is a rich history of rather fruity political ideas in France that I understand helps fuel the enmity of critics of the FN. But I can't quite grasp why it is still traduced so vigorously these days, especially as, as Marion says, the other parties have been forced to copy many key parts of its program on things like immigration.

    Replies: @5371

    [Yes I liked the line about Jean-Marie Le Pen being a right-wing anarchist.]

    It became famous as the self-classification of the historian Philippe Ariès.

  212. Sort of like “right-wing” Israel, which won’t lift a finger for the right wing outside Israel.

    (Edit window still too short). Bibi “distanced himself” from Trump.

  213. Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    Myth #5 – The Arab nations threatened Israel with annihilation in 1967 and 1973

    The fact of the matter is that it was Israel that fired the first shot of the “Six Day War”. Early on the morning of June 5, Israel launched fighters in a surprise attack on Egypt (then the United Arab Republic), and successfully decimated the Egyptian air force while most of its planes were still on the ground.

    It is virtually obligatory for this attack to be described by commentators today as “preemptive”. But to have been “preemptive”, by definition, there must have been an imminent threat of Egyptian aggression against Israel. Yet there was none.

    It is commonly claimed that President Nasser’s bellicose rhetoric, blockade of the Straits of Tiran, movement of troops into the Sinai Peninsula, and expulsion of U.N. peacekeeping forces from its side of the border collectively constituted such an imminent threat.

    Yet, both U.S. and Israeli intelligence assessed at the time that the likelihood Nasser would actually attack was low. The CIA assessed that Israel had overwhelming superiority in force of arms, and would, in the event of a war, defeat the Arab forces within two weeks; within a week if Israel attacked first, which is what actually occurred.

    It must be kept in mind that Egypt had been the victim of aggression by the British, French, and Israelis in the 1956 “Suez Crisis”, following Egypt’s nationalization of the Suez Canal. In that war, the three aggressor nations conspired to wage war upon Egypt, which resulted in an Israeli occupation of the Sinai Peninsula. Under U.S. pressure, Israel withdrew from the Sinai in 1957, but Egypt had not forgotten the Israeli aggression.

    Moreover, Egypt had formed a loose alliance with Syria and Jordan, with each pledging to come to the aid of the others in the event of a war with Israel. Jordan had criticized Nasser for not living up to that pledge after the Israeli attack on West Bank village of Samu the year before, and his rhetoric was a transparent attempt to regain face in the Arab world.

    That Nasser’s positioning was defensive, rather than projecting an intention to wage an offensive against Israel, was well recognized among prominent Israelis. As Avraham Sela of the Shalem Center has observed, “The Egyptian buildup in Sinai lacked a clear offensive plan, and Nasser’s defensive instructions explicitly assumed an Israeli first strike.”

    Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin acknowledged that “In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”

    Yitzhak Rabin, who would also later become Prime Minister of Israel, admitted in 1968 that “I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to the Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.”

    Israelis have also acknowledged that their own rhetoric at the time about the “threat” of “annihilation” from the Arab states was pure propaganda.

    General Chaim Herzog, commanding general and first military governor of the occupied West Bank following the war, admitted that “There was no danger of annihilation. Israeli headquarters never believed in this danger.”

    General Ezer Weizman similarly said, “There was never a danger of extermination. This hypothesis had never been considered in any serious meeting.”

    Chief of Staff Haim Bar-Lev acknowledged, “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six-Day War, and we had never thought of such possibility.”

    Israeli Minister of Housing Mordechai Bentov has also acknowledged that “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”

    In 1973, in what Israelis call the “Yom Kippur War”, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise offensive to retake the Sinai and the Golan Heights, respectively. This joint action is popularly described in contemporaneous accounts as an “invasion” of or act of “aggression” against Israel.

    Yet, as already noted, following the June ’67 war, the U.N. Security Council passed resolution 242 calling upon Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories. Israel, needless to say, refused to do so and has remained in perpetual violation of international law ever since.

    During the 1973 war, Egypt and Syria thus “invaded” their own territory, then under illegal occupation by Israel. The corollary of the description of this war as an act of Arab aggression implicitly assumes that the Sinai Peninsula, Golan Heights, West Bank, and Gaza Strip were Israeli territory. This is, needless to say, a grossly false assumption that demonstrates the absolutely prejudicial and biased nature of mainstream commentary when it comes to the Israeli-Arab conflict.

    This false narrative fits in with the larger overall narrative, equally fallacious, of Israeli as the “victim” of Arab intransigence and aggression. This narrative, largely unquestioned in the West, flips reality on its head.

    I thought you guys liked puncturing self-serving, nationalist rhetoric. Not as much as you like “who-whom?” I guess.

  214. Whoops, wrong war. Still good stuff though. More to the point:

    The Myth of the “Few Against the Many” in 1948

    The newly formed Israeli army was ultimately as large as the invading Arab armies combined and better armed.

    The Five Arab Armies

    The entrance of the Arab armies was motivated, first and foremost, by the desire to save the Arab community in Palestine. This is not emphasized in our narrative, though perhaps it is presented to a greater degree within the Arab narrative. This doesn’t mean that this was their only goal. If, after their entrance into the war, they had achieved a series of rapid victories, would they have stopped there? No.
    The Arab leaders couldn’t refrain from entering the struggle because they weren’t ready for, or were afraid of, the UN’s response, i.e. the response of the two rival super powers, both of whom supported the UN Partition Plan. Remember, we are not talking about contemporary Egypt, but King Farouk’s Egypt, King Abdallah’s Jordan (which the British recommended should not enter the fray, despite general assumptions to the contrary), King Faisal’s Iraq, a very different Syria, and Lebanon. These were not today’s well-armed Arab states. And if today you can see how wary they are about antagonizing the American super power, you can imagine the constraints they felt then, given their dependence. If the USSR had been on the other side, we could imagine a scenario in which the Russians would have encouraged the Arabs. But that didn’t happened. The Russians were clearly on the side of the partition plan.
    So where did the Arab states find the courage? In my view, the answer is they were confronted with an internal consideration, public opinion, demonstrated on the streets. They were also bound by a series of decisions that had been made, beginning in l945, but particularly in 1946-47, which said that, under certain circumstances, they were committed to defending the Palestinian Arab side in a conflict. They were also trapped by slogans that they themselves had encouraged. But the primary factor was the collapse of the Palestinian Arab community, which forced the Arab armies to get involved. All of this was wrapped in their commitment to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state.

    What Were the Goals of the Arab States?

    What were the war goals of the Arab states – to destroy the yishuv, to prevent the establishment of the state, to capture all of the western Land of Israel? My answer is no, and it has been reinforced by studies carried out in recent years by Israeli scholars.
    Jordan was forced to follow the lead of the Arab states, based upon the aforementioned background. But once the opposing Jewish forces turned out to be stronger than anticipated, King Abdallah changed his plans and tried to arrive at an agreement with the Israeli leaders. The others accused him, with no small amount of justification, of only looking out for his own interests – which were to take control of the territory that had been set aside for an Arab state – the West Bank.
    The Iraqi and Syrian maneuvers in the north were a little confusing when it comes to analyzing their intentions, but the primary riddle has been – why did the Egyptians stop advancing at the point they stopped? No Jewish force blocked their advance from the south. There were some Israeli counter attacks against them, which failed. One can say that they had a deterrent impact on them, particularly since they involved the first use of planes (two of which were downed). But for some reason, the entire line of their advance stopped at a point that had not been meant to be a part of the Jewish state – including kibbutzim like Nirim and Yad Mordechai, which were supposed to be within the area of the Arab state. The Egyptians stopped at what was to be the border of the partition plan.
    As I see it, the explanation for this is as follows (though it can only be completely confirmed when all the military and government archives are opened). The partition plan was based on a division of three areas, which were to be attached at two points. Three segments of the Jewish state – the Upper Galilee which was to be connected around Nazareth with the Zevulun Valley, the Sharon area, which was to be connected with the Negev area around Be’er Tuvia and the Negev Entrance area.
    The Arab area in the Gaza Strip was to be connected at some point to Judea and Samaria, which was to be connected at another point with the Lower Galilee. Each state had three strips, which were connected by the same points, like a bikini. If we had wanted to take control of areas meant for the Arab state, it was necessary to take control of these connecting points, to prevent the bi-section of the Jewish state.
    The goal of the Syrians, Lebanese and Iraqis was to reach this connecting point from the north – to reach Nazareth. That was the way to gain control of the passageway to the Arab area. If they had succeeded, it would also have meant the bisection of the Jewish state.

    Saving the Arab Community

    Why is all of this important? Because I want to emphasize that the Arab military goals were not the goals that are stressed in our literature – the conquest of the entire territory, but rather more limited goals. Along the lines of President Sadat’s limited goals when he initiated the Yom Kippur War in 1973. This is the answer to the question of whether they were such heroes when they decided to invade. My answer is no. They didn’t dare plan, in advance, to take control of the area that was designated for the Jewish state in accordance with the UN partition plan. They arranged a plan, which, at least in the beginning, could be justified before the UN, if it responded harshly to the situation. If they were asked, “What are you doing in the land of Israel?”, they would respond that “We were invited by the Arab side to save the Arab community, and we only entered the Arab territories, not the area of the Jewish state.” I anticipate that when the Arab war plans are revealed, that is the picture we will get. This explains why the Egyptians stopped at the point they did.

  215. @Erik Sieven
    @Orthodox

    there are already people in Saxony who want separation and others who want to build up against the fence between eastern and western Germany. Also there are surely some people in Poland who start to figure out that Russians might not be their biggest problem but rather the EU.
    I am slowly converging to the world view of Putin, who said the fall of the Sowjet Union was a huge geopolitical catastrophe.
    At some point there needs to be a border between western and eastern Europe, separating afro-arabic, demographically expanding (Lebensraum?), economically dwindling and always a step before civil war western europe from eastern Europe. The relevant question is: where will this border be drawn? Russia and Belorussia will surely be on the safe side, will Poland be? Will Eastern Germany be?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Bies Podkrakowski

    ” Russia and Belorussia will surely be on the safe side,”

    Check Russian demographic prognoses. They are full of muslimity (if such word exists).

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    as far as I remember Anatoly Karlin has shown that slavic christian Russians are getting much more children than they did five or ten years ago.

  216. @AndrewR
    @Cagey Beast

    So Jews are turning in their graves because Marion has a good relationship with her grandfather, whose opinions she very publicly criticizes?

    What does the BBC want? What do Jews want? For people to disown kin with non-kosher opinions? Goddamn I am pissed.

    Don't get me started on the claim that a few hoodlums desecrating a cemetary is almost as outrageous as murdering over 100 people in cold blood.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    While I agree with your sentiment in general, I will point out that the Carpentras cemetery desecration that occurred in 1990 was particularly shocking and repulsive. The neo-Nazi hoodlums dug up the most recently interred body, impaled it in the chest with an umbrella, and stuck a spade handle in its anus. You may not like Jews, but French Jews do have reason to fear both the Muslims and the far right.

  217. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @biz
    @Reg Cæsar


    Arabs are genetically more Semitic than are modern Jews. Thus they must be even bigger dissimulators. HBD, you know.
     
    I'm not sure what this comment means. It is impossible to be "genetically Semitic" since Semitic is a just language family. The languages include Arabic, Maltese, and the highland Ethiopian languages such as Amharic and Trigryna. Since the speakers of these languages clearly don't have much particular phenotypic similarity, and there are no Y-chromosome, MtDNA, or autosomal DNA markers associated with speakers of these languages writ large, there is no such thing as genetically Semitic.

    If I failed to pick up on some snark my bad.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    There is a an ethnic component to Jewishness, and there are subtle differences between Jewish subpopulations. A large full genome sequencing study published in late 2014 showed that the Ashkenazi population is a roughly even mix of Middle Eastern and Southern European genetic components. The European component was perhaps even slightly underestimated by that paper because the main European reference population used was Flemish rather than Southern European. Regardless, there is a discernible Middle Eastern component to Ashkenazi ancestry and that of other Jewish populations. Earlier Y chromosome studies from the late 1990’s and early 2000’s had shown that Ashkenazi Y chromosomes appeared very Middle Eastern and showed little sign of European admixture, whereas mitochondrial DNA (maternal transmitted) studies were less clearcut. A subsequent paper published in 2013 made a strong case that Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA is mostly European in origin. So the European admixture is thought to have been female-mediated. I hope this explains and expands on Reg Caesar’s reply to your comment.

  218. @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Erik Sieven

    " Russia and Belorussia will surely be on the safe side,"

    Check Russian demographic prognoses. They are full of muslimity (if such word exists).

    Replies: @Erik Sieven

    as far as I remember Anatoly Karlin has shown that slavic christian Russians are getting much more children than they did five or ten years ago.

  219. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill

    The Young Turks took over the Ottoman government.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bill

    Wow, what an autistic comment.

  220. @Buffalo Joe
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, Thank you, Bill is splitting hairs.

    Replies: @Bill

    Cool. I don’t think I’ve ever seen projection by proxy before.

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