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Why are the New York and Washington media so obsessed over matters of local governance in tiny Ferguson, MO? For example, the latest evolution of national media thinking on the Lessons to Be Learned from the Michael Brown crime spree shooting of an unarmed teen is that the Big Issue is that other half-pint municipalities outside of the city of St. Louis give out a lot of tickets to poor blacks, who often don’t show up to pay them, and then get in serious trouble.

Some of this is no doubt classic speed trap behavior aimed at exploiting outsiders, while some of it is quality of life enforcement aimed at getting residents, especially newcomers, to behave better and not ruin property values.

Before the Interstate Highway System, speed traps were common in small towns on the way between big metropolises. The local cops would pay their salaries and more by pulling over city slickers going 1 mph over the idiosyncratic local speed limit.

Even with the Interstate Highway System, state troopers in states that don’t get a lot of tourists like Indiana and Connecticut are notorious sticklers for enforcing speed limits. For example, in 1986 I got a $128 ticket for going 73 mph at the bottom of a long downhill straightaway on an empty I-84 on a sunny day in May. The trooper was surprised that I hadn’t heard the news on the local stations that they were setting up speed traps for the Memorial Day weekend. I explained that I was from Chicago and had just flown into New York on business and was now going to Boston for a vacation, but that just sort of explained why I was the ideal kind of clueless nonresident to help balance Connecticut’s budget.

Mexican cops take this another level by having sergeants auction off the best spots to ambitious patrolmen, who are allowed to dismantle warning signs and then shakedown violators for bribes. For example, my father got a ticket in 1975 in Mexico City by attempting to drive the wrong way down a six lane one way street to get to the Palace of Fine Arts tourist attraction. The cop who whistled us over had apparently taken down the Do Not Enter sign. He told us that we’d have to spend all day in the rat-infested police station. Eventually my father got the point and gave the cop a five dollar bill and away we went.

The greater St. Louis area has a very large number of small municipalities, so speed traps make sense since cops are likely to catch a high proportion of outsiders rather than local voters.

But, St. Louis suburbs tend to give out a lot of citations to residents, too, for unneighborly behavior like parking a nonfunctional car on your front lawn. To the New York Times Editorial Board, this is just irrational racism because it has disparate impact on blacks newly moved into the suburb from the slums of St. Louis.

But, it’s helpful to look at an AP article by Corey Williams about a black majority suburb of Detroit called Southfield, in which the long-time resident middle class blacks strongly support the black police chief in issuing citations to the Detroit ghetto blacks who have been moving in. The veteran black residents want to get their fellow blacks to up their game and start conforming to suburban norms.

Three years ago, Lamar Grace left Detroit for the suburb of Southfield. He got a good deal — a 3,000-square-foot colonial that once was worth $220,000. In foreclosure, he paid $109,000.

The neighbors were not pleased.

“They don’t want to live next door to ghetto folks,” he says.

That his neighbors are black, like Grace, is immaterial. Many in the black middle class moved out of Detroit and settled in the northern suburbs years ago; now, due to foreclosures, it is easy to buy or rent houses on the cheap here.

The result has been a new, poorer wave of arrivals from the city, and growing tensions between established residents and the newcome …

People like John Clanton, a retired auto worker, say the new arrivals have brought behavior more common in the inner city — increased trash, adults and children on the streets at all times of the night, a disregard for others’ property.

“During the summer months, I sat in the garage and at 3 o’clock in the morning you see them walking up and the down the streets on their cell phones talking,” Clanton says. “They pull up (in cars) in the middle of the street, and they’ll hold a conversation. You can’t get in your driveway. You blow the horn and they look back at you and keep on talking. That’s all Detroit.”

The tensions have not gone unnoticed by local officials.

“I’ve got people of color who don’t want people of color to move into the city,” says Southfield Police Chief Joseph Thomas, who is himself black. “It’s not a black-white thing. This is a black-black thing. My six-figure blacks are very concerned about multiple-family, economically depressed people moving into rental homes and apartments, bringing in their bad behaviors.”

For example, “They still think it’s OK to play basketball at 3 o’clock in the morning; it’s OK to play football in the streets when there’s a car coming; it’s OK to walk down the streets three abreast. That’s unacceptable in this city.”

… With so many empty houses available, rents also dipped by hundreds of dollars. Renters increased from about 13,100 in 2006 to 15,400 in 2009.

Now, suburbs closest to big cities are “bedeviled” by the same problems that helped spur urban flight decades ago, Schragger adds. “And you’re seeing further flight out. Rising crime levels, some rising levels of disorder.”

These were the things that prompted Richard Twiggs to leave Detroit 23 years ago for the safety, quiet and peace of mind Southfield offered.

“The reason suburbs are the way they are is because a certain element can’t afford to live in your community,” adds Twiggs, a 54-year-old printer. “If you have $300,000, $400,000, $500,000 homes you’re relatively secure in the fact that (the homeowners) are people who can afford it.

“But when you have this crash, people who normally couldn’t afford to live in Southfield are moving in. When you have a house for $9,900 on the corner over there — that just destroys my property.”

The pride that comes with home ownership and a large financial investment in the property is missing, says Clanton, who lives across the street from Twiggs on Stahelin, about a half-mile north of Detroit. Back yards are deep and mostly tree-shaded. Sidewalks are few.

“I treasure what I bought,” Clanton says. “I want to keep it, but I don’t need somebody to come in and throw their garbage on mine. Why would they come and make our lives miserable because they don’t care?”

Though they acknowledge they would lose money by selling their current homes, Clanton and Twiggs are contemplating moving further north. …

Southfield officials say one solution to changing neighborhoods is blight enforcement, other ordinances and costly fines. The idea, said the police chief, Thomas, is not to chase people away, but to help them assimilate.

Soon after Grace, the telephone company analyst, moved into his house, he was cited for parking a small trailer on the property and storing interior doors outside. These are things that would have drawn little notice in Detroit amid the crime and failing schools, he said.

He paid $400 in fines, got rid of the doors and put the trailer in paid storage.

… He was fined $200 for noxious weeds because the grass was too high and dandelions covered much of the front lawn.

“It wouldn’t happen in Detroit,” he says. “Your property is pretty much your property. I think, here, they are going a little overboard.”

Now, why in the world are media elites in Washington and New York so worked up over this kind of petty enforcement in inner ring suburbs in the middle of flyover country aimed at assimilating slum blacks?

There are a lot of reasons, but one shouldn’t totally discount self-interest, no matter how much it’s buried under layers of sanctimonious rationalizations.

In recent decades, the two gentrifying media capitals have been successfully driving out American-born blacks. They’ve been prodding African-Americans to leave with things like stop and frisk in NYC.

White people in New York and Washington thus want to grease the skids under African-Americans to make it as easy as possible for them to leave valuable urban land and head for dumpy suburbs like Ferguson. These kind of ticky-tacky citations that suburbs use to keep from turning into slums might discourage some urban blacks from moving out of gentrifiable inner city, so they must be demonized in the national press.

As I’ve mentioned before, underclass blacks are a giant hot potato that practically every municipality wants to hand off to somebody else. I don’t think there is any single best solution: there is just always going to be a lot of arguing and politicking over this. My one moral suggestion is that these discussions be honest and open about what everybody is up to. I’m particularly disgusted when the people holding the Megaphone in rapidly gentrifying New York and Washington get to use their media monopoly to demonize random nowheresvilles like Ferguson, and distract from their own efforts to drive out poor blacks to those nowheresvilles.

 
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  1. On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?"

    That's a good question. I suspect people tend generally to gravitate toward moralistic emotions that are in their own self-interest. How that process works can be a complex one, however.

    On the other hand, that beating down small town resistance to Section 8 blacks moving in is in the self-interest of New York and Washington types is something that ought to be more publicized.

    Replies: @anon, @Sam Haysom, @Clyde

    , @Stan D Mute
    @anon

    "Do people really think like this?" In a word, yes. Some people, developers particularly, think exactly like this. If you think about it, it's their job to do it. They need people to move, especially in areas with very low growth, they need to have churn in order to remain in business.

  2. @anon
    On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stan D Mute

    “On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?”

    That’s a good question. I suspect people tend generally to gravitate toward moralistic emotions that are in their own self-interest. How that process works can be a complex one, however.

    On the other hand, that beating down small town resistance to Section 8 blacks moving in is in the self-interest of New York and Washington types is something that ought to be more publicized.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    "How that process works can be a complex one, however. "

    Know of any good reading on the topic?

    Replies: @rb

    , @Sam Haysom
    @Steve Sailer

    So Steve are you saying the are put this kind of pressure on Ferguson pour encourager les autres plus pres de NYC? Or is Missouri really a dumping spot for East Coast victims of gentrification.

    , @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer


    On the other hand, that beating down small town resistance to Section 8 blacks moving in is in the self-interest of New York and Washington types is something that ought to be more publicized.
     
    Funny how it works out that way, as a plus for urban elites. But I think they are oblivious about Section 8 devastations. The hypocritical anti racism of bigfoot urban elitists (like N Kristoff) is a moral preening display. And we know that today anti-racism really means anti-white
  3. You can also view it as part of the tabloidization of the mainstream press. Not only does it feed the bottom line in desperate journalistic times — I recently picked up a Sunday edition of NYT, the first time in years, and was appalled by how skimpy it had grown, sort of like Newsweek before it went out of business — but it keeps the populous riled up and distracted from the truly important issues that effect their future welfare (trade, immigration, wage and hour laws, tax enforcement, etc.).

  4. Well, there may be a nugget here but not a lode.

    At least in Washington, the number of “media elites” who actually own houses in the District is not large. In fact I am not sure what a “media elite” is. Wolf Blitzer? Chuck Todd?

    And again, in DC proper, gentrification works with privately owned houses, not Section 8. Very little Section 8 projects have been closed. There was a good idea a few years ago to tear them down, replace them with something newer, and add a low-income component there. There is an outflow, but the classic case is grandma sells her house that 15 family members live in, and the large townhouse gets turned into a condo.

    I’d agree that Section 8 in DC tends not to be around the whiter parts of the city.

    In terms of traffic violations to drive people out, big thing on that recently.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/withering-inspector-general-report-criticizes-dc-parking-and-traffic-ticketing/2014/09/08/da6ae324-3781-11e4-8601-97ba88884ffd_story.html

    Again, no numbers on DC residents but the perception is traffic cameras are aimed at commuters from Maryland.

    So I’d say this is just more kvetching about Race,by which I mean Blacks, the Great and Important Topic In America for the second half of the 20th century and Maybe the first part of the 21st century. I have no doubt that in the rest of the 21st century the Great Original Crime of the American People will return to stealing the land for the native Hispanic inhabitants.

    Contrast to Brazil:

    http://www.cfr.org/elections/marinas-post-racial-brazil/p33417

    • Replies: @viking
    @charlie

    i think you dont understand how sect 8 works the govt gives a welfare case $1600 [or more depending on dependents] voucher which they can use on any apartment the landlord is willing to accept it. Its usually a bit above market in slum areas so some landlords like the security of a government payee however most find the upkeep not worthwhile [you wouldn't believe the stories] tenants sometimes supplement the voucher out of local welfare as well. As a neighborhood becomes reclaimed by whites who improve the area not simply by their presence but by their efforts at opening better businesses, pressuring police, reorganizing schools, organizing watch groups and renovating buildings, rents begin to rise first slowly then quickly. slumlords decide rents are higher than section 8 and begin renovating vacated apartments and renting them to the new class. cities fight this by rent stabilization and rules that prohibit the keeping of apts vacant until enough can be renovated and rented at once to new tenants who dont want to be the first white in a sect 8 building.also they require developers to include a percentage of low income apts in luxury developments. no one actually explains why gentrifying rehabilitating a neighborhood is wrong or understands these were once white neighborhoods destroyed decades ago by blacks and Hispanics.

  5. Much SJW ink has been spilled in St. Louis over the years lamenting the existence of all of these nickel and dime municipalities in the first place. If only the county were merged with the city, well then the city wouldn’t be so perpetually broke and dysfunctional.
    http://www.govexec.com/state-local/2014/08/st-louis-city-county-consolidation/91772/

    This is the zombie issue in St. Louis politics for all the obvious reasons. Proponents want the revenues of the much more populous and prosperous county to fix the inefficient and indebted city. And opponents hate minorities, or something like that.

  6. Section 8 blacks are better off in every way living where there is not a concentration of people just like them. And actually the people in these towns could stop the influx if they just organised, but they won’t, because it is too much time and trouble for them personally; they would rather be having fun. So the big city types who actually are willing to spend their time get to have a disproportionate influence. I am not sure if it is in the personal self-interest of New York and Washington types to agitate over these isues. In my opinion it is more of a class interest, which some people have a temperamental propensity for. Within whites, some people just can’t be bothered to dispose of trash properly, some people feel the need to agitate for social equality. Probably all explained by genetic HBD.

    • Replies: @Rusty Shackleford
    @Sean


    And actually the people in these towns could stop the influx if they just organised, but they won’t, because it is too much time and trouble for them personally; they would rather be having fun.
     
    Actually, the people in these towns did organize and fought section 8 vigorously. That's why there is still a white population in Ferguson at all after 3 decades of black flight into the area from north St. Louis. The people in Black Jack were an unincorporated area with no government at all, who became a municipality solely for the purpose of fighting section 8. See the case of United States vs Black Jack:

    http://www.leagle.com/decision/1974691372FSupp319_1643.xml/UNITED%20STATES%20v.%20CITY%20OF%20BLACK%20JACK,%20MISSOURI

    Of course they were simply worn down through crime and time, just as the whites in East St Louis and North St Louis were before them.

    Neighboring Spanish Lake, a small blue collar community on the banks of the Missouri River, remained unincorporated and went from almost all white to almost black very quickly. Many of the whites there didn't even have a chance to sell their homes. They simply fled.

    , @Rusty Shackleford
    @Sean


    And actually the people in these towns could stop the influx if they just organised, but they won’t, because it is too much time and trouble for them personally; they would rather be having fun.
     
    Actually, the people in these towns did organize and fought section 8 vigorously. That's why there is still a white population in Ferguson at all after 3 decades of black flight into the area from north
    St. Louis. The people in Black Jack were an unincorporated area with no government at all, who became a municipality solely for the purpose of fighting section 8. See the case of United States vs Black Jack:

    http://www.leagle.com/decision/1974691372FSupp319_1643.xml/UNITED%20STATES%20v.%20CITY%20OF%20BLACK%20JACK,%20MISSOURI

    Of course they were simply worn down through time and crime, just as the white populations in East St Louis and North St Louis were before them.

    Neighboring Spanish Lake, a blue collar community on the banks of the Missouri River, remained unincorporated and went from almost all white to almost black very quickly. Many of the whites there didn't even have a chance to sell their homes. They simply fled.
    , @Michelle
    @Sean

    What you say is true. When I first moved to the Bay Area suburb I now reside in, I rode public transit on many occasions with the vice mayor, a practising lawyer, who during other administrations was, and is a city council member. In our city a notorious section 8 apartment building, known for violent crime, was sold to a buyer who evicted all the tenants and, ultimately, remodeled the building. The tenants were given a generous moving out fee. There were a few tenants who protested vociferously. Most of these tenants who were refusing to move out were the lazy, unemployed\unemployable sons of elderly or disabled women who lived in the building. The owner ended up having his way. The former tenants got lucky in that many landlords in our city offered them other places to live and waved fees and deposits and etc. The vice mayor supported the sale and eviction of the tenants. He told me that every tenant he ran into after the forced moves told him that they didn't realize that living in section 8 was so bad until they lived otherwise. They were very grateful to be living amongst normal people, at last.

  7. This matter of small towns (and large towns and cities for that matter) using traffic cops for the business of revenue enhancement is common across the US. The latest wrinkle is using traffic cameras for spotting minor driving infractions and giving out tickets. None of this has anything to do with race, except in the mind of the left where everything has everything to do with race. White guys get stupid, annoying traffic tickets just like black guys, the difference is we don’t wail about how it’s all an evil racist conspiracy aimed at us.

  8. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?"

    That's a good question. I suspect people tend generally to gravitate toward moralistic emotions that are in their own self-interest. How that process works can be a complex one, however.

    On the other hand, that beating down small town resistance to Section 8 blacks moving in is in the self-interest of New York and Washington types is something that ought to be more publicized.

    Replies: @anon, @Sam Haysom, @Clyde

    “How that process works can be a complex one, however. ”

    Know of any good reading on the topic?

    • Replies: @rb
    @anon

    Try City Journal.

  9. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?"

    That's a good question. I suspect people tend generally to gravitate toward moralistic emotions that are in their own self-interest. How that process works can be a complex one, however.

    On the other hand, that beating down small town resistance to Section 8 blacks moving in is in the self-interest of New York and Washington types is something that ought to be more publicized.

    Replies: @anon, @Sam Haysom, @Clyde

    So Steve are you saying the are put this kind of pressure on Ferguson pour encourager les autres plus pres de NYC? Or is Missouri really a dumping spot for East Coast victims of gentrification.

  10. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/ex-steve-madden-clerk-claims-co-workers-abused-800g-suit-article-1.1936156

    “George Abella, 29, alleges that he was mocked even though he is not gay and subjected to racial slurs. He was fired after complaining in July as a result of co-workers counter-accusations, according to his suit.”

    Cant make this stuff up.

  11. Steve Sailer’s use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.

    In 1974 while clipping my toenails I noted that one of the remaining arcs appeared to have a more feminized curve to it than in the past, thereby serving as a harbinger of the chaos that BPA would wreak upon the hormones of the men of America.

    Also, Steve doesn’t get music at all. Leave that to real critics. Can you imagine anything more boring than going to a concert with him?

    • Replies: @EriK
    @Jay

    Can you imagine anything more boring than going to a concert with him?

    Going anywhere with you?

    , @Marty
    @Jay

    You're right. I've never heard Steve say anything remotely positive about The Monkees, Steam or Andy Gibb.

    , @Big Bill
    @Jay


    Steve Sailer’s use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.
     
    I love this passive-aggressive routine. Classic lefty. They are pissed-off, but they realize that anger is laughable and (worse) boring, so they turn it into "You are so funny" [read: "You are so stupid and I hate you!"]

    To which the best response is "Hey, thanks. Glad you enjoy it!"
    , @S. Verdad
    @Jay

    SS doesn't get music? WTF is wrong with The Clash and Elvis Costello?

    , @Danindc
    @Jay

    If you're going to make idiotic criticisms at least be funny. That's not a lot to ask.

  12. Luke Lea comment from another post “Stripping Africa of its scarce human capital. And to a country that has, if anything, a surplus. I have a hard time imagining a more immoral immigration policy.”

    That is a good point, one that development economist paul Collier has written about. Migration of the capable will destroy the third world’s chance of catching up with the west. And it also explains how black areas got to be ghettos: the capable blacks left.

  13. underclass blacks are a giant hot potato that practically every municipality wants to hand off to somebody else.

    However, because of the reservoir of alleles for bad behavior (ie, regression to the mean), middle class blacks are busy making more of the undertow.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Hard Line Realist

    As long as the tax base, employment and power structure are predominately white. the black middle class benefits from black chaos and crime. When a riot happens, the black middle class gets more jobs to service the feral youth: more black teachers, more black social workers, more black cops, more black firemen. And (best of all) the costs are dumped on white folks who are the majority of the tax base. More black chaos = more job security ... as long as you can live in a white neighborhood, that is.

    Eventually, however, the populace, the jobs and the tax base ALL turn majority black. At that point, the scales shift the other way. The black middle class no longer benefits from more chaos, but suffers from it. If all the jobs are black then there are no special make-work jobs set aside special for black folks. If deadbeat blacks aren't paying their property taxes or electric bills, the cost falls on all the OTHER black folks.

    Further, complaints about racism no longer work (due to black control of all the institutions) and hence there are fewer federal, state and county programs [read: "white folks money"] created special for black folks. There are no more Eric Holder Mandatory Set Aside and Hiring Programs.

    At this point, with no white folks to bail them out and give them jobs, the black middle class is stuck. Sadly, it is only then that they stop talking about "The Legacy of Slavery" and start talking (as Mr. Lamar Grace and John Clanton do in the quoted article) about all the crazy, violent, criminal black folks who trash the neighborhood, hijack cars, rob and shoot folks and generally act the fool.

    But by then they done run off all the white folks and it's too late.

    , @viking
    @Hard Line Realist

    Aye and there's the rub. This is the really depressing and existential threat of multi culturalism even the Dark Enlightenment cant deal with this in their techno futurist utopia cities of 160 IQ cosmopolitans what of their children and grandchilden

  14. A city can clean itself up and get the undesirables/criminals to move. I know I helped do it. I worked for a city that once had no police force the county provided police service but there were two officers who covered hundreds of square miles and tens of thousands of residents.

    The town was infested by a biker gang and hillbilly drug dealers. They hired a police force that wasn’t afraid to enforce every law go into the biker bars and face down the rock-cooking hillbillys. Four years into it and we had one gross misdemeanor or felony every few months. Businesses began opening/moving in. Contractors began building better homes. No bikers, no hillbillys, bars were orderly and we’d get one or two problems a year out of them.

    That was twenty something years ago so the world has changed. The key really is to get out of your car, police the ‘broken windows’, make sure the undesirables know you’ll just be waiting for them to f-up they’ll move on.

    You cannot fix the world. Our society has created too many dirtbags and the underclass simply won’t follow normal values but you can make your town safe and clean.

    • Replies: @David R. Merridale
    @TWS

    You cannot fix the world. Our society has created too many dirtbags and the underclass simply won’t follow normal values but you can make your town safe and clean.

    People can change to a degree if the environment is right. A parole-officer friend of mine says a lot of his cases straighten out in their mid-thirties, partly, he figures, because their testosterone levels are lower, but largely because they realize they're not tough enough for prison any more. I wonder how many of your hillbilly troublemakers moved out of town and how many just stopped making trouble.

    Replies: @TWS

    , @Anonymous White Male
    @TWS

    Do tell. Were those biker gangs & hillbilly drug dealers White or black? If they moved, I would have to assume they were White. Negroes need some host to leech off of. This is an undeniable truth that negroes and liberals can't stand. Blacks could be free from evil YT if that is what they wanted. But, that would show the world that they are incapable of maintaining anything resembling a productive, technologically developed, clean, low-crime community without their ex-masters around. This is one of the truths that must not be spoken. And since the MSM controls the dialogue, blacks and negroes can be shielded from reality and stay in their pixie dust created universe.

  15. This was posted over at Amren recently in response to the “Hey White People” T-shirt campaign that features black Ferguson children.

    Pretty funny, I think.

  16. the two gentrifying media capitals have been successfully driving out American-born blacks

    With regard to New York, this statement is innocent of an examination of actual demographic statistics, which show nothing but some recent and fairly minor flux. That aside, to where are these troublesome blacks being deported? You would be hard put to find suburbs of any dimension around New York suffering secular increases in crime and some of the most intensely black-dominated areas (e.g. East Orange) have had great improvements in public order. As for Washington, who’s supposed to have run this gentrification campaign, Marion Barry (who despised law enforcement and gutted the police force)? The black population in DC has been declining for more than forty years.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Art Deco

    African-Americans are being replaced in New York City by Africans and Caribbean blacks.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Sean, @Anonymous

    , @Sean
    @Art Deco

    The welfare reforms of decades ago may not have been intended as a way of getting blacks to move out of the larger cities, but they did work that way.

    , @viking
    @Art Deco

    Where do you live dude The five fastest increasing white zip codes in the US are in Brooklyn NY , the suburbs of the tri sate area have gone from lily white to nestles quick over the past thirty years. Manhattan has zero minorities anymore while staten island has become a slum, as have all sorts of long island towns

    Replies: @Anonymous

  17. The gentrification of NYC has transformed Reading, Pennsylvania. It went from being an economically declining small city of older, mostly white residents to a mostly poor black and Hispanic city, due to a migration driven by skyrocketing rents in NYC and its surrounding area. Perhaps now that they have left NYC the New York Times can do a story on how they are being mistreated in Reading, PA.

  18. “I suspect people tend generally to gravitate toward moralistic emotions that are in their own self-interest”

    Obviously the root of behavior not immediately in one’s interest, is the need to be thought an exemplary individual of your community. A highly educated big city equalitarian and a fearless provoker of the police in Ferguson are both doing things against their own immediate interest, but getting status in their community. And the communities benifit from these actions. Brown got deaded, but he also got to be a hero, and like it or not he did a power of good for his brothers and sisters. The big city radical equalitarian from an affluent background is also giving up on certain material success (in business ect) to pursue his own type of status. The wider natioal community of big city types benefits from what the equalitarian activists do.

  19. Oh, I wouldn’t give the media that much credit. I don’t doubt that they are susceptible to the class prejudices and self interest, but I can’t believe they’ve strategized and mapped it out in the way Sailer is suggesting. If it were true, why wouldn’t they be waging the battle on their own decaying suburbs, where their efforts would have the maximum impact. Further, I live in St. Louis and have worked in Ferguson, and I haven’t noticed any massive influx of black ghetto people (or any at all for that matter) from the centers of media or government, if that is what he was suggesting. Black flight from the slums of North St. Louis was more than enough to doom Ferguson, which by the way was by no means a “dumpy” place at all until a decade or so ago.

    I think that the simpler answer is that the media is made up of nice, bright, little upper middle class white people who’ve only ever substantially encountered the nice, Obama/Skip Gates sort of black person. I have people like this in my family. They’ll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses. The wide scale, multigenerational state of degradation they are in is something you have to see first hand in their homes and personal lives to fully appreciate. It’s something on the scale of a genetic adaptation rather than a cultural issue at this point.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Rusty Shackleford

    They’ll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses.

    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not 'the underclass'.

    Replies: @Bill, @Rusty Shackleford

    , @International Jew
    @Rusty Shackleford

    Good to hear from a St Louisian (?) I learned a lot about gentrification when I visited your fair city last year. That area north of Wash U, extending east the length of that two-mile-long park, wow. Thousands of 3-story 6000-8000sqft mansions from 100 years ago, when there were so many more ways to get rich in the city, clearly built for people richer than the intrepid middle class gentrifiers coming in now. (You can tell from the cars, from the obvious fact most people do their own gardening, and some deferred maintenance -- though overall it's very attractive, don't get me wrong.) I spoke at length with one homeowner (who was out front gardening) who told me the whole area (this was near the Kings Highway end) had been largely abandoned until 10-15 years ago, that it's coming back, but (maybe taking me as a househunter) "you can't expect perfect safety, it's still urban." She also pointed to a nearby, older, 20-story condo building (that made me think of Detroit's Broderick Tower) and told me the whole thing was abandoned until recently. Her street, and all the others there I saw, had nice steel gates at one end and the other -- city streets, but not altogether public. I guess it all exists at the sufferance of the police and politicians.

    Replies: @Rusty Shackleford

    , @Another Canadian
    @Rusty Shackleford


    I think that the simpler answer is that the media is made up of nice, bright, little upper middle class white people who’ve only ever substantially encountered the nice, Obama/Skip Gates sort of black person. I have people like this in my family. They’ll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses.
     
    Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
    , @viking
    @Rusty Shackleford

    They do wage it on their own suburbs SWPLs hate suburbs till they find themselves 40 and pregnant and realize they never made the big time and cant afford Brooklyn so they find not a suburb usually but a pre subburb old town close to city and they gentrify that

  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves. That was a long time ago and no one really remembers anyway. What matters is that if for a third to a half of the residents the carnival atmosphere never ends, disregarding color, you know the kids aren’t studying there.

    More than likely it’s a ghetto or a ghetto to be.

    • Replies: @grey enlightenment
    @Anonymous

    thomas sowel has long infected the conservative movement with his subtle intimations that whites are keeping blacks down. To most of the right, he's held as some here. To me he's just a more conservative version of Cornel West.

    , @Sunbeam
    @Anonymous

    "One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves."

    I think there is something to this, though it is hard to for me to say how much.

    I am a southerner, and the family has been since we got off the boat, etc.

    I've also seen a few other sections of the country. There is something very strange about the south's lack of interest in education. You may get mocked as a geek in Nebraska, but the mockers can read and do basic math.

    Down south they can't. Actually for the most part they would never mock a geek (talking about high school here). It is just something they are not interested in. If you read books you are some kind of alien and get shunted into another dimension or something, even if you are in the same place.

    I can't say how far west this goes, and how far north exactly. Offhand I'd say East Texas and Kentucky or so. Incidentally if you take the same people (white southerners) and raise them in another environment like California, they become "American Normal" as regards education and basic skills.

    Then too some of the cities like Atlanta and the Triangle are different, but the attitudes and results are pretty widespread in the rural areas of the south.

    I can also say that I have encountered a couple of actual sub-saharan Africans in a university setting. If you talked to them enough for them to be candid, they were kind of shocked at how all the Americans they encountered behaved in class.

    They were also kind of shocked by black Americans, but I never talked to them about that particular live wire.

    Just saying, whatever the average IQ, blacks may well have picked up a not very useful mindset from some Americans. It's one thing for education not to exist, like in a remote village in the Congo. It's another to be actively hostile and totally uninterested in education.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.
     
    Right... No, I think not.

    Many parts of Appalachia have appalling poverty, often with much, much lower median incomes than many black urban ghettos. Talk about areas "abandoned" and forgotten by those with means.

    Yet most of Appalachia has but a fraction of the per capita violent crimes the black urban ghettos have. Indeed violent crime (murder, rape, assault) rates are considerably below the national average in Appalachia (murder was about half the national average the last time I checked, prompted by something I read in "The National Review"). What crimes exist are usually petty thefts, meth production/sales (though much of meth production has been chased across our southern border), and entitlement fraud.

    Frankly, statistically speaking, I am much safer from dangerous crime with poor Appalachian whites than I am with the considerably richer black urban populations.

    With poor rural whites, homes may be grimy and there may be ignorance and drug addiction as well as some petty crimes. But there is infrequently physical danger. With poor urban blacks, there is overwhelmingly greater danger of murder, assault, robbery, and rape (for women). And with the latter that danger is magnified when one is white or Asian.

    Replies: @HA, @Hacienda

  21. The Southfield article was fascinating. In inner city neighborhoods, blacks are victimizing other blacks. The victims tend to be the exact people most likely to adopt ‘white’ lifestyles. Even the Section 8 phenomenon impacts blacks more than any other race.

    In Chicago, Section 8 is incredibly difficult to get. They have lotteries every few years to get on the waiting list. I was surprised that the CHA was able to effectively disband without more protest. A large number of the housing units have become senior citizen housing.

    Meanwhile, Nick Kristof, who lives in Scarsdale is telling other whites that they just ‘don’t get it’. Nick needs a sabbatical in Hyde Park, where he would begin to get it. It is a fortress. Zero through streets. University police on every block, surrounded by city police around the next blocks. And large numbers of friend, helpful black guards to eliminate the racial aspects of strongly discouraging any local black youth from hanging out. The guards always walk up and offer directions. And the only college dorms I have ever seen with two levels of rigorously enforced security. The University is pushing South into semi abandoned neighborhoods.

    Scarsdale, naturally, doesn’t need a heavy presence of security lightly camouflaged to ensure social conformity to SWPW norms.

    • Replies: @map
    @FWIW

    All University of Chicago police are either Chicago cops or State cops who are moonlighting. They dress like swat officers.

    They are not rent-a-cops. Don't mess with them.

    At one time Uchicago had the world's largest private police force after the Vatican.

  22. @Art Deco
    the two gentrifying media capitals have been successfully driving out American-born blacks

    With regard to New York, this statement is innocent of an examination of actual demographic statistics, which show nothing but some recent and fairly minor flux. That aside, to where are these troublesome blacks being deported? You would be hard put to find suburbs of any dimension around New York suffering secular increases in crime and some of the most intensely black-dominated areas (e.g. East Orange) have had great improvements in public order. As for Washington, who's supposed to have run this gentrification campaign, Marion Barry (who despised law enforcement and gutted the police force)? The black population in DC has been declining for more than forty years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Sean, @viking

    African-Americans are being replaced in New York City by Africans and Caribbean blacks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    I checked your contention the last time. Not happening.

    , @Sean
    @Steve Sailer

    Caribbeans could understand but Africans! The white genes of African Americans do not seem to do them much good.

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, I think the displacement of American-origin blacks in New York City is going on in Manhattan and a few gentrified or gentrifying areas of Brooklyn. There are still plenty of American blacks in less desirable parts of Brooklyn and Queens. Where this is going on, American blacks are being displaced by white/Asian yuppies and hipsters, not immigrants.

    It would not make much sense for the powers-that-be to replace American blacks with Africans and Carribbean blacks, as you suggest is consciously being done. Carribbean black neighborhoods (non-Hasidic parts of Crown Heights in Brooklyn, parts of eastern Queens) are known as places to stay away from just as much as American black neighborhoods. I don't think any area of the city has a great enough concentration of African blacks to be considered an African neighborhood.

  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “In recent decades, the two gentrifying media capitals have been successfully driving out American-born blacks. They’ve been prodding African-Americans to leave with things like stop and frisk in NYC.”

    Steve, this is a mistake you keep making over and over again. The media bullhorn-holders who are broadcasting the approved Ferguson narrative also mostly opposed stop and frisk in NYC, and, courtesy of Mayor de Blasio and federal judge Shira Scheindlin, have finally gotten their wish that it be ended. They are not being hypocrites about law enforcement; they are against doing it effectively anywhere in the country.

    Similarly, American Jewish open-borders enthusiasts, whether leftists or Asperger’s-afflicted libertarians such as Bryan Caplan, are generally unsympathetic to the Israeli government’s attempts to kick out the African “refugees” who have illegally migrated into Israel.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Similarly, American Jewish open-borders enthusiasts, whether leftists or Asperger’s-afflicted libertarians such as Bryan Caplan, are generally unsympathetic to the Israeli government’s attempts to kick out the African “refugees” who have illegally migrated into Israel."

    Really? How can one tell? Their donations to African resettlement efforts in Israel? Their public pronouncements on the immorality of desert concentration camps? Their vocal support for African amnesty in Israel?

    I know, I know, they tell you in all the private conversations you have with them. I must admit, I have looked at all the non-binding Senate Resolutions regarding Israel and haven't seen a one that insists on African amnesty in Israel. But perhaps the AJC, the ADL, the Conference of Presidents of Jewish Organizations, or AIPAC have come out with a position paper that I have missed. Do share with us.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    , @Dave
    @Anonymous

    They are being hypocrites because they don't have to deal with the on-the-ground reality of ending stop and frisk. You don't think people like the editorial board of the New York Times ever had to deal with the massive wave of street crime that swallowed NYC from the late 60's through the early 90's, when Giuliani took over. They are utterly divorced from those realities. I live in Manhattan, and lived here before Giuliani, and the difference is like night and day.
    Kristof and his kind are, as he put it, smug, deluded white liberals. The white ethnic working class and lower middle class are expected to shoulder the burden of Diversity and Multiculturalism, and they're expected to keep their mouths shut about it too.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  24. @Jay
    Steve Sailer's use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.

    In 1974 while clipping my toenails I noted that one of the remaining arcs appeared to have a more feminized curve to it than in the past, thereby serving as a harbinger of the chaos that BPA would wreak upon the hormones of the men of America.

    Also, Steve doesn't get music at all. Leave that to real critics. Can you imagine anything more boring than going to a concert with him?

    Replies: @EriK, @Marty, @Big Bill, @S. Verdad, @Danindc

    Can you imagine anything more boring than going to a concert with him?

    Going anywhere with you?

  25. @Sean
    Section 8 blacks are better off in every way living where there is not a concentration of people just like them. And actually the people in these towns could stop the influx if they just organised, but they won't, because it is too much time and trouble for them personally; they would rather be having fun. So the big city types who actually are willing to spend their time get to have a disproportionate influence. I am not sure if it is in the personal self-interest of New York and Washington types to agitate over these isues. In my opinion it is more of a class interest, which some people have a temperamental propensity for. Within whites, some people just can't be bothered to dispose of trash properly, some people feel the need to agitate for social equality. Probably all explained by genetic HBD.

    Replies: @Rusty Shackleford, @Rusty Shackleford, @Michelle

    And actually the people in these towns could stop the influx if they just organised, but they won’t, because it is too much time and trouble for them personally; they would rather be having fun.

    Actually, the people in these towns did organize and fought section 8 vigorously. That’s why there is still a white population in Ferguson at all after 3 decades of black flight into the area from north St. Louis. The people in Black Jack were an unincorporated area with no government at all, who became a municipality solely for the purpose of fighting section 8. See the case of United States vs Black Jack:

    http://www.leagle.com/decision/1974691372FSupp319_1643.xml/UNITED%20STATES%20v.%20CITY%20OF%20BLACK%20JACK,%20MISSOURI

    Of course they were simply worn down through crime and time, just as the whites in East St Louis and North St Louis were before them.

    Neighboring Spanish Lake, a small blue collar community on the banks of the Missouri River, remained unincorporated and went from almost all white to almost black very quickly. Many of the whites there didn’t even have a chance to sell their homes. They simply fled.

  26. This is probably happening, but the process has been kept under wraps amazingly well. There have to be face to face meetings involving large numbers of people with differing agendas. You’re probably looking at big city mayors, their police and public housing officials, real estate developers, various community groups, locals preachers, and some various federal agencies as well. It’s also a multiple year affair, so you’ve got old players leaving and new ones coming in.

    It would be nice to have a Tom Wolfe Radical Chic description.

  27. @Jay
    Steve Sailer's use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.

    In 1974 while clipping my toenails I noted that one of the remaining arcs appeared to have a more feminized curve to it than in the past, thereby serving as a harbinger of the chaos that BPA would wreak upon the hormones of the men of America.

    Also, Steve doesn't get music at all. Leave that to real critics. Can you imagine anything more boring than going to a concert with him?

    Replies: @EriK, @Marty, @Big Bill, @S. Verdad, @Danindc

    You’re right. I’ve never heard Steve say anything remotely positive about The Monkees, Steam or Andy Gibb.

  28. And OT:

    Never forget 9/11/01!

    But 5/2/11? That’s been dropped down the memory hole.

  29. @Steve Sailer
    @Art Deco

    African-Americans are being replaced in New York City by Africans and Caribbean blacks.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Sean, @Anonymous

    I checked your contention the last time. Not happening.

  30. @Steve Sailer
    @Art Deco

    African-Americans are being replaced in New York City by Africans and Caribbean blacks.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Sean, @Anonymous

    Caribbeans could understand but Africans! The white genes of African Americans do not seem to do them much good.

  31. The pressure campaign to get anti-American, anti-Israel bigot Steven Salaita onto the UIUC faculty has now failed:

    http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2014-09-11/updated-ui-trustees-reject-salaita.html

    The vote was 8-1 against him by the UI Trustees.

    This guy’s “scholarship” was focused on comparing American “oppression” of native Americans to Israeli “oppression” of Palestinians. But he mostly just was a full time campaigner for anti-Israel causes.

    I try to ignore the awful stuff coming out of academic humanities departments. But the campaign to get Salaita rehired led me to look at some of these people’s published works. They are truely hateful beyond belief towards the USA and its people. It is the main focus of every darn thing they publish. Dealing them this major defeat was sweet, but please make sure your kids don’t take classes from them.

    To take one example, the leader of the Salaita campaign is Corey Robin, author of “The Reactionary Mind” where he says conservatism is a mental illness:

    From the French Revolution to the Tea Party, conservatism has been a reactionary movement, a defense of power and privilege against democratic challenges from below, particularly in the private spheres of the family and the workplace.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Lot

    This guy’s “scholarship” was focused on comparing American “oppression” of native Americans to Israeli “oppression” of Palestinians

    But of course! As an Israeli sabra told me over a few beers, "you got to kill all your natives, why can't we kill ours?"

    And I had to admit he made a wonderful point. Why shouldn't Jews kill all their natives?

    It works both ways. We can be a beacon of sanity for them and they (in the case of desert concentration camps and border fences) can be a good example for us!

    , @fNN
    @Lot

    The Yale Episcopal chaplain was forced to resign after writing a letter critical of Israel to the NYT. Hasbara trolls constantly tell us that elite universities are dominated by liberals who "hate Israel."

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/intellectual-comments-inviting

  32. @Rusty Shackleford
    Oh, I wouldn't give the media that much credit. I don't doubt that they are susceptible to the class prejudices and self interest, but I can't believe they've strategized and mapped it out in the way Sailer is suggesting. If it were true, why wouldn't they be waging the battle on their own decaying suburbs, where their efforts would have the maximum impact. Further, I live in St. Louis and have worked in Ferguson, and I haven't noticed any massive influx of black ghetto people (or any at all for that matter) from the centers of media or government, if that is what he was suggesting. Black flight from the slums of North St. Louis was more than enough to doom Ferguson, which by the way was by no means a "dumpy" place at all until a decade or so ago.

    I think that the simpler answer is that the media is made up of nice, bright, little upper middle class white people who've only ever substantially encountered the nice, Obama/Skip Gates sort of black person. I have people like this in my family. They'll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses. The wide scale, multigenerational state of degradation they are in is something you have to see first hand in their homes and personal lives to fully appreciate. It's something on the scale of a genetic adaptation rather than a cultural issue at this point.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Another Canadian, @viking

    They’ll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses.

    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not ‘the underclass’.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Art Deco


    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not ‘the underclass’.
     
    For those interested in checking:

    http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/community_facts.xhtml

    Art Deco is right that it is working class. Boy is it depressing to consider what working class means in contemporary America, though. Half of the families in Ferguson are female headed. A fifth are on food stamps.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Rusty Shackleford
    @Art Deco



    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not ‘the underclass’.
     
    The actual rioters are mostly from east and north St. Louis. Actually, though, what I think that you're saying is a point that I've been trying to make. If I watched only the national media, I think that I'd be under the impression that Ferguson is a black ghetto with a tiny group of white people desperately trying to hold on to their sinecures. Really, though, it was middle class until recently. Even prior to the riots, the main drag through the town was still a thriving commercial area, complete with many chain stores along with long established small businesses and a large supermarket where residents could purchase low cost food. But that's now effectively done. In another 10 years it'll be just another ghetto that used to be a nice place.
  33. @Art Deco
    the two gentrifying media capitals have been successfully driving out American-born blacks

    With regard to New York, this statement is innocent of an examination of actual demographic statistics, which show nothing but some recent and fairly minor flux. That aside, to where are these troublesome blacks being deported? You would be hard put to find suburbs of any dimension around New York suffering secular increases in crime and some of the most intensely black-dominated areas (e.g. East Orange) have had great improvements in public order. As for Washington, who's supposed to have run this gentrification campaign, Marion Barry (who despised law enforcement and gutted the police force)? The black population in DC has been declining for more than forty years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Sean, @viking

    The welfare reforms of decades ago may not have been intended as a way of getting blacks to move out of the larger cities, but they did work that way.

  34. @Anonymous
    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell's theses in "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves. That was a long time ago and no one really remembers anyway. What matters is that if for a third to a half of the residents the carnival atmosphere never ends, disregarding color, you know the kids aren't studying there.

    More than likely it's a ghetto or a ghetto to be.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Sunbeam, @Twinkie

    thomas sowel has long infected the conservative movement with his subtle intimations that whites are keeping blacks down. To most of the right, he’s held as some here. To me he’s just a more conservative version of Cornel West.

  35. “Jay says:
    September 11, 2014 at 5:17 pm GMT
    Steve Sailer’s use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.

    In 1974 while clipping my toenails I noted that one of the remaining arcs appeared to have a more feminized curve to it than in the past, thereby serving as a harbinger of the chaos that BPA would wreak upon the hormones of the men of America.”

    Funny observation, but what I appreciate about Steve. He talks like one of us. Speaking of speed traps and anecdotes, back in 1981 I was watching The Dukes of Hazard and, yeah, the Hazard police had a real lucrative speed trap. Always hooked someone like Roy Orbison or the Oak Ridge Boys.

  36. Without getting into the race issues on Ferguson, there is a real problem these days with basically good people getting their lives destroyed because of very minor scrapes with the law. One minor offense, which people might actually be innocent of, becomes an excuse to extract by debt collection companies with local government contracts thousands of dollars.

    A single DUI/disorderly conduct type offense can lead to a spiral of warrants, fines, fines for not paying fines, and eventually someone making $10/hour can never drive a car again and never get an on the books job due to a $1500 fine spiraling up to $6000, which will be aggressively collected by private debt collection companies.

    It can be really ugly, and if anything it affects downscale whites the worst. I know two actual examples of this happening, both white males in their 20’s from working class families.

    Another thing is that the decision to have one gigantic city with large rural and suburban areas in city limits, like San Diego, Indianapolis, and Jacksonville, or have a bunch of large to medium suburbs, like much of the Bay Area, is an interesting question. I think big suburbs are probably the best overall. But very tiny cities with ~1000 people or less tend to have awful, corrupt governments that are parasites on the 99% of the people in the metro area who don’t live there.

    One micro-suburb in Columbus became so awful that the state legislature voted to disincorporate it via a new law that allowed cities with under 150 people to be eliminated and turned back into part of their old township.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio

  37. Re using fines to change behavior: not just for blacks, and not just for municipalities. My HOA recently got rid of a tenant, a nasty drunk, by a letter our attorney wrote to the tenant’s landlord documenting the tenant’s misbehavior. The tenant, who is white, had misbehaved against a black and also against whites. The letter also stated that continued misbehavior would result in the landlord/homeowner being fined. Within an hour of receiving an e-mail of the letter, the landlord/homeowner informed our attorney that the tenant- on a month to month lease- would be given 30 day notice to vacate the premises. The landlord/homeowner didn’t even wait for receipt of the snail-mail certified letter to respond – which he would have been entitled to do.

    The tenant moved out well before the end of the 30-day notice.

    The money the attorney charged for writing the letter was money very well spent.

  38. As I’ve mentioned before, underclass blacks are a giant hot potato that practically every municipality wants to hand off to somebody else. I don’t think there is any single best solution:

    There is no single best solution, but there are several solutions that can work in concert: tubal ligation, depo-provera, IUDs…

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Glaivester

    "IUDs". IEDs would work as well.

  39. In inner city neighborhoods, blacks are victimizing other blacks. The victims tend to be the exact people most likely to adopt ‘white’ lifestyles.

    This is tied into the strange American practice of selecting the biggest, strongest, meanest, most aggressive blacks from the ghetto and giving them so-called “athletic scholarships” at institutes of high education. Naturally they go on to have more reproductive success than their more peaceful but non-college-going kin. It’s as if we have deliberately created a selective breeding program designed to increase the very worst tendencies among blacks.

    Let’s take it as a given that we’re going to continue to have affirmative action for blacks in college admissions. Can we at least reserve those spots for blacks who display desirable (aka “white”) character traits? Admittedly the college football programs of America would be somewhat adversely affected, but you can’t make omelets without breaking a few eggs.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    @Greenstalk


    This is tied into the strange American practice of selecting the biggest, strongest, meanest, most aggressive blacks from the ghetto and giving them so-called “athletic scholarships” at institutes of high education. Naturally they go on to have more reproductive success than their more peaceful but non-college-going kin. It’s as if we have deliberately created a selective breeding program designed to increase the very worst tendencies among blacks
     
    Do you believe this just started with the obsession with football? If you were a slave owner, would you want to breed small bookish negroes or big strapping fellows who weren't overly smart? It carries into even the capture and auction of the slaves. A stunted waifish African might be simply released back to the jungle and his tribe while the big strong Africans would draw top dollar for their ability to survive the transit to the New World and then work productively on arrival. I see this mistake constantly in discussion of slavery - people forget just how incredibly expensive slaves really were and what those costs meant for the actual treatment of the slaves by their "owners."

    Replies: @Anonymous White Male

  40. Steve, I just stumbled across a great story about the black, ah, personality, from golfer David Graham.

    http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2006-06/myshot_gd0606?currentPage=2

  41. @Sean
    Section 8 blacks are better off in every way living where there is not a concentration of people just like them. And actually the people in these towns could stop the influx if they just organised, but they won't, because it is too much time and trouble for them personally; they would rather be having fun. So the big city types who actually are willing to spend their time get to have a disproportionate influence. I am not sure if it is in the personal self-interest of New York and Washington types to agitate over these isues. In my opinion it is more of a class interest, which some people have a temperamental propensity for. Within whites, some people just can't be bothered to dispose of trash properly, some people feel the need to agitate for social equality. Probably all explained by genetic HBD.

    Replies: @Rusty Shackleford, @Rusty Shackleford, @Michelle

    And actually the people in these towns could stop the influx if they just organised, but they won’t, because it is too much time and trouble for them personally; they would rather be having fun.

    Actually, the people in these towns did organize and fought section 8 vigorously. That’s why there is still a white population in Ferguson at all after 3 decades of black flight into the area from north
    St. Louis. The people in Black Jack were an unincorporated area with no government at all, who became a municipality solely for the purpose of fighting section 8. See the case of United States vs Black Jack:

    http://www.leagle.com/decision/1974691372FSupp319_1643.xml/UNITED%20STATES%20v.%20CITY%20OF%20BLACK%20JACK,%20MISSOURI

    Of course they were simply worn down through time and crime, just as the white populations in East St Louis and North St Louis were before them.

    Neighboring Spanish Lake, a blue collar community on the banks of the Missouri River, remained unincorporated and went from almost all white to almost black very quickly. Many of the whites there didn’t even have a chance to sell their homes. They simply fled.

  42. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:

    Chicago’s black population went down by over 200000 in the last decade. Lots of gentrification there as well. East Garfield Park was listed recently by Business Week as one of the next up and coming areas. Anybody familiar with Chicago 15 years ago would have thought that East Garfield Park being an up and coming anything was nuts. It was Chicago’s version of the South Bronx.

    In Chicago, in many neighborhoods that changed from white to black the first black people to move in were middle class blacks wanting to move out of their old neighborhoods that had become more violent and more ghetto. The ghetto blacks would inevitably follow in a few years and the cycle would continue. Many of Chicago’s blacks have moved out to the suburbs in the last 20 years or so.

  43. @Anonymous
    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell's theses in "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves. That was a long time ago and no one really remembers anyway. What matters is that if for a third to a half of the residents the carnival atmosphere never ends, disregarding color, you know the kids aren't studying there.

    More than likely it's a ghetto or a ghetto to be.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Sunbeam, @Twinkie

    “One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.”

    I think there is something to this, though it is hard to for me to say how much.

    I am a southerner, and the family has been since we got off the boat, etc.

    I’ve also seen a few other sections of the country. There is something very strange about the south’s lack of interest in education. You may get mocked as a geek in Nebraska, but the mockers can read and do basic math.

    Down south they can’t. Actually for the most part they would never mock a geek (talking about high school here). It is just something they are not interested in. If you read books you are some kind of alien and get shunted into another dimension or something, even if you are in the same place.

    I can’t say how far west this goes, and how far north exactly. Offhand I’d say East Texas and Kentucky or so. Incidentally if you take the same people (white southerners) and raise them in another environment like California, they become “American Normal” as regards education and basic skills.

    Then too some of the cities like Atlanta and the Triangle are different, but the attitudes and results are pretty widespread in the rural areas of the south.

    I can also say that I have encountered a couple of actual sub-saharan Africans in a university setting. If you talked to them enough for them to be candid, they were kind of shocked at how all the Americans they encountered behaved in class.

    They were also kind of shocked by black Americans, but I never talked to them about that particular live wire.

    Just saying, whatever the average IQ, blacks may well have picked up a not very useful mindset from some Americans. It’s one thing for education not to exist, like in a remote village in the Congo. It’s another to be actively hostile and totally uninterested in education.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sunbeam

    "One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.”

    In general, Scots-Irish and blacks didn't have that much contact. The Scots-Irish tried to stick to cooler highlands (Appalachia and Ozarks) where the disease burden was less.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  44. The best solution would be for the average black in a black community to aspire to be like a successful middle class black along the block. The middle class blacks are the problem. The blacks who should be the role models for the average black, don’t want to live in the same area as them.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    @Sean

    The middle class blacks are the problem. The blacks who should be the role models for the average black, don’t want to live in the same area as them.

    Middle-class blacks who live among low-life blacks serve not as their role models, but as their prey and victims.

  45. “On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?”

    That’s a good question. I suspect people tend generally to gravitate toward moralistic emotions that are in their own self-interest. How that process works can be a complex one, however.

    On the other hand, that beating down small town resistance to Section 8 blacks moving in is in the self-interest of New York and Washington types is something that ought to be more publicized.

    Water doesn’t have to think to find the path of least resistance. The NYT clique will get pushback and make enemies by airing NYC’s dirty laundry. They’ll get applause and advertising money from the same people for airing Ferguson’s dirty laundry.

  46. “I’m particularly disgusted when the people holding the Megaphone in rapidly gentrifying New York and Washington get to use their media monopoly to demonize random nowheresvilles like Ferguson, and distract from their own efforts to drive out poor blacks to those nowheresvilles.”

    Of course to be fair, NY has always had this view regarding the rest of America at large. There has always been a distinct New Yorkian viewpoint (e.g. We are the largest city, we count the most in America and everyone else is 2nd rate at best, garbage at worst). Whenever they report on issues and incidents that occur outside NY metro they tend to take an attitude that they alone have the moral authority to interpret what exactly is going on in the various enclaves. Most of their writers tend to have little to no direct experience with Boise, Billings, or DeMoines BUT because they work in New York ,that automatically enables them to translate for the rest of Americans what exactly has occurred and of course the PC/morally correct position to take on the individual issues at large. In short, very little has changed.

    “What states are there west of the Mississippi?” –Al Smith, Democratic NY governor and NYC mayor on why he wasn’t campaigning west of the Mississippi in ’28 Presidential Election.

    Yessir, regarding NY’s eternal self-awareness of their prominent position as US’s major media as well as society at large, very little has changed.

  47. I have no doubt that in the rest of the 21st century the Great Original Crime of the American People will return to stealing the land for the native Hispanic inhabitants.

    No problem; that’s even easier to justify using what the Jews have done to the Palestinians (and Caananites) than the Black Question is.

    I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses.

    I do.

    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves. That was a long time ago and no one really remembers anyway

    You sure get a lot more drive-by commenters these days, Steve.

    I was just commenting the other day how stupid it is to blame black pathology on Scots-Irish pathology, when black pathology is so much worse than Scots-Irish pathology. It’s like calling the student the teacher, and the teacher, the student.

  48. The actual city of St. Louis is 50 percent Black, so Black migration to St. Louis’s suburbs is not making the actual city of St. Louis any less Black.

    The percentage of Blacks in St. Louis city is still way higher than the national average. The percentage of Blacks in St. Louis will never shrink down to San Francisco or Austin levels for example.

  49. As for Washington, who’s supposed to have run this gentrification campaign, Marion Barry (who despised law enforcement and gutted the police force)?

    Marion Barry has not been the mayor of DC since 1998.

    (“Mayor for Life” was a joke, son. A joke!)

    Tony Williams, Adrian Fenty and Vincent Gray have all been very chummy with white real estate developers and business interests.

  50. @Glaivester
    As I’ve mentioned before, underclass blacks are a giant hot potato that practically every municipality wants to hand off to somebody else. I don’t think there is any single best solution:

    There is no single best solution, but there are several solutions that can work in concert: tubal ligation, depo-provera, IUDs...

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    “IUDs”. IEDs would work as well.

  51. St. Louis the city proper is also gentrifying, and is actually in percentage terms and also in raw number terms losing black population. And where are the new dumping grounds for the local black undertow? North St. Louis County.

  52. “African-Americans are being replaced in New York City by Africans and Caribbean blacks.”

    How is that any better ? Do African and Caribbean Blacks commit less crime per capita than American Blacks ? I doubt it.

    I have never heard anybody refer to Jamaicans for example as model minorities. The late rapper Biggie Smalls for example was a drug dealer from the projects and he was of Jamaican descent.

    • Replies: @David R. Merridale
    @Jefferson

    How is that any better ? Do African and Caribbean Blacks commit less crime per capita than American Blacks ? I doubt it.

    It's true, and everyone knows this except you.

    , @Ed
    @Jefferson

    Actually foreign blacks and their children do commit lower levels of crime than American blacks.


    http://home.uchicago.edu/~arauh/Rauh2013b.pdf

    Page 8 Section 3.3

    Evidently their incarceration rates are similar to Whites. I'm sure the number will rise as some assimilate into African-American culture, although I know first hand that isn't occuring as rapidly as people might think especially for Africans.

    Replies: @Hard Line Realist

  53. The demographic change in DC is startling, at least to me. Yeah it has been going on for forty years but I think it was the Black Middle Class who could afford it, that first left DC for PG county. The change from 75% black to 65% black wasn’t that evident cause they were leaving those detached homes in Northeast and Anacostia. Whites never went there anyway.
    I drove across DC on U St. to Florida last weekend and was astounded at all the white people I saw. There they were drinking fancy coffee and looking defenseless, just waiting to have their socks stolen.The demographic change seems more evident in this area. Areas where formerly if your socks fell out of your laundry basket when you left the laundromat they would be gone in five minutes, now have white people trash…vacuum cleaners that are no longer cool next to empty wine bottles. Perhaps the former residents of these neighs got forced out by high rents, rather than choiced out like the earlier group.
    DC is down to less than 50% black and THE PLAN is continuing apace.

  54. Section 8 blacks are better off in every way living where there is not a concentration of people just like them.

    I might have believed this before reading Sudhir Venkatesh’s “Gang Leader for a Day,” about life in Chicago’s Robert Taylor projects in the early 1990s. From it I gathered that, while none of us would care to live in such places, a community develops that serves its residents in many ways. A person who owned a car would provide transportation for several other tenants, sharing the expense. A woman whose stove worked and who cooked well would prepare meals for several other families, again sharing the expense. A man capable of repairing cars had a customer base. The matriarchal building supervisor would exact payment from the drug dealers in order to buy winter clothing for the children. All in all, it sounded as though residents did not see it as a positive thing when the projects were closed and they were scattered to the suburbs.

  55. Thanks for that update on Southfield, Michigan. It’s, ahem, come quite a way since 1986, when Zeev Chafets wrote about it in his _Devil’s Night and other True Tales of Detroit_. It was 2/3 white then, and anxious for the future:

    “The Southfield strategy is based on another irony — the only important city in the Metro area that has declared integration to be a policy goal wants to maintain it by recruiting whites and steering blacks away…

    The idea is to set up a nonprofit office in Detroit that would help those who want to leave find housing elsewhere in Oakland County. ‘[Neighboring towns] can’t hurt us’, said [one official]. Fair housing is the law of the land’.

    Southfield’s leaders were counting on blacks to go along. ‘The minorities here understand that if we can’t maintain a racial balance, they will be the losers,’, said the mayor. ‘Their kids will go to poor schools and live in filthy neighborhoods.”

    Those guys went ahead and made TV spots for Southfield. Chafets watched some:

    “Young couples dining in fine restaurants, relaxed businessmen…happy children frolicking in a safe schoolyard, youthful families walking hand in hand across well-tended lawns…After watching half a dozen of the commercials it became clear that they had a common denominator–the only blacks visible were little girls and light-skinned women…No one who saw the ads could possibly have guessed that nearly half the students in the Southfield schools are black.”

  56. I think the endless demonization of Middle America and race relations occurs since it allows the media to ignore the plank in their own eyes by focusing on the specks in the eyes of others. By their own standards, these people are oppressive racists. Non-whites are significantly under-represented in the print and digital media, liberal cities are notoriously self-segregated, and over-represented white cops arrest black and Hispanic suspects at over-represented rates even in the bluest of regions. This makes Stand Your Grand Laws in Florida or the peculiarities of law enforcement in Missouri national stories worthy of the hysteria they were given. It shows how racist the non-elite are.

    Another angle is the endless moralizing crusade the media continues to perpetuate. Focusing on one notorious segment, the sports media, we find the following stories front in center: the outrage of an NFL player hitting his now-wife in a domestic dispute, the outrage of the commissioner not punishing the NFL player swiftly or severely enough, the outrage of the owners not punishing the commissioner by voting him out of his roll yesterday, the outrage of a 75-year-old NFL nickname suddenly being racist and still being used, the outrage of an NBA owner applying stereotypes to groups of white and black fan bases for commercial means, the outrage of a general manager describing a player by his ancestry, the outrage of a NBA player tweeting a barely coherent message which can be interpreted as defending the wife-beating NFLer, etc. Of the top ten stories right now on ESPN.com, only one is directly about a sporting event (USA basketball) and at least six of them are directly related to the most recent outrages.

    Everything nowadays has to outrage someone, somewhere.

  57. anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: re the Ray Rice situation

    “[MLB Commissioner Bud] Selig said he can’t remember the last domestic violence case involving a baseball player. Talks about a policy could come up again in the next collective bargaining, but Selig leaves office Jan. 25 and Rob Manfred takes over as commissioner.

    “We haven’t had any cases I’m happy to say for a long, long time. I can’t remember when the last time was,” Selig said. “I’m grateful for that. But we deal with situations as they occur. The only thing I want to say, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we are a social institution and I’m proud of our record in dealing with a myriad of subjects, and we deal with them, I think, quite effectively.”

    I wonder if the difference between the NFL and the MLB in this respect has to do with the fact that the MLB is 62% white and the NFL is 30% white.

  58. @Harry Baldwin

    A friend who worked in Florida’s welfare department told the same story. Leaving the Hood meant losing your social support network and access to the underground economy you understood how to function in. These are assets the welfare system could not replace.

  59. Off-topic, but given your interest in the Donme you might be intrigued by these photos:

    http://io9.com/for-centuries-this-mystical-jewish-sect-lived-hidden-1633190262

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Art Deco

    African-Americans are being replaced in New York City by Africans and Caribbean blacks.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Sean, @Anonymous

    Steve, I think the displacement of American-origin blacks in New York City is going on in Manhattan and a few gentrified or gentrifying areas of Brooklyn. There are still plenty of American blacks in less desirable parts of Brooklyn and Queens. Where this is going on, American blacks are being displaced by white/Asian yuppies and hipsters, not immigrants.

    It would not make much sense for the powers-that-be to replace American blacks with Africans and Carribbean blacks, as you suggest is consciously being done. Carribbean black neighborhoods (non-Hasidic parts of Crown Heights in Brooklyn, parts of eastern Queens) are known as places to stay away from just as much as American black neighborhoods. I don’t think any area of the city has a great enough concentration of African blacks to be considered an African neighborhood.

  61. @Rusty Shackleford
    Oh, I wouldn't give the media that much credit. I don't doubt that they are susceptible to the class prejudices and self interest, but I can't believe they've strategized and mapped it out in the way Sailer is suggesting. If it were true, why wouldn't they be waging the battle on their own decaying suburbs, where their efforts would have the maximum impact. Further, I live in St. Louis and have worked in Ferguson, and I haven't noticed any massive influx of black ghetto people (or any at all for that matter) from the centers of media or government, if that is what he was suggesting. Black flight from the slums of North St. Louis was more than enough to doom Ferguson, which by the way was by no means a "dumpy" place at all until a decade or so ago.

    I think that the simpler answer is that the media is made up of nice, bright, little upper middle class white people who've only ever substantially encountered the nice, Obama/Skip Gates sort of black person. I have people like this in my family. They'll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses. The wide scale, multigenerational state of degradation they are in is something you have to see first hand in their homes and personal lives to fully appreciate. It's something on the scale of a genetic adaptation rather than a cultural issue at this point.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Another Canadian, @viking

    Good to hear from a St Louisian (?) I learned a lot about gentrification when I visited your fair city last year. That area north of Wash U, extending east the length of that two-mile-long park, wow. Thousands of 3-story 6000-8000sqft mansions from 100 years ago, when there were so many more ways to get rich in the city, clearly built for people richer than the intrepid middle class gentrifiers coming in now. (You can tell from the cars, from the obvious fact most people do their own gardening, and some deferred maintenance — though overall it’s very attractive, don’t get me wrong.) I spoke at length with one homeowner (who was out front gardening) who told me the whole area (this was near the Kings Highway end) had been largely abandoned until 10-15 years ago, that it’s coming back, but (maybe taking me as a househunter) “you can’t expect perfect safety, it’s still urban.” She also pointed to a nearby, older, 20-story condo building (that made me think of Detroit’s Broderick Tower) and told me the whole thing was abandoned until recently. Her street, and all the others there I saw, had nice steel gates at one end and the other — city streets, but not altogether public. I guess it all exists at the sufferance of the police and politicians.

    • Replies: @Rusty Shackleford
    @International Jew

    I think that St. Louisan is the preferred nomenclature. St. Louis has some of the best architecture in the midwest if not the country. Unfortunately, a lot of it is in the worst neighborhoods. If I had an army of hipster and homosexual gentrifiers, I'd send them to the north side of St. Louis. Check out the Hyde Park neighborhood for instance, which German immigrants turned into a mini 19th century teutonic city complete with a brewery, town house mansions and a massive gothic cathedral.

    The prevailing notion is that the former residents of these neighborhoods got sick of living in the city and abandoned them for more yard space out in the suburbs. In fact the racial violence in the 60's made it impossible for them to continue living there. A favorite criminal tactic at the time in these places was to firebomb one house and then ransack the surrounding houses while their residents were distracted. We call that white flight, but if it happened in the balkans, I don't think anyone would balk at using the term ethnic cleansing.

    Modern gentrifiers that I have met are mostly smart young kids, often working as architects or in the biotech industry. But they have this mindset that all the problems in the blighted neighborhoods are the fault of the white people who left for the suburbs 50+ years ago -the people who built these neighborhoods in the first place. White flight is to them something that happened because these people were greedy, materialistic and racist. Publicly, they don't allow any rational or valid reasons for why the original residents left. I don't have much tolerance for that sort of self serving, selective denial of reality, so I had a fair amount of contempt for these people when I first started meeting them. But I realized that, for whatever reason, they apparently have to believe this or else they need publicly to say that they believe this to continue what they're doing. If you press them too hard in argument on this point, you'll get nothing but silence and a guilty grin from them.

  62. Gays, feminists and blacks compete with and are jealous of each other’s phony victim status. To maintain the necessary level of hysteria, the zeitgeist requires periodic, ritual scapegoat flogging. Therefore, the weird prof. Gates episode, Duke Lacrosse, Zimmerman, Richwine, Derbyshire, Ferguson and so on. The obsession with “racism” “homophobia” “sexism” demand symbolic group gestures meant to relieve the stress of having to constantly reinforce the emotional demands of fake victimization. Many Jews also are partially sympathetic to this culture. Whenever the illusion of victimization begins to falter a new scapegoat must be found for sacrifice and the necessary level of hysteria is reanimated.

    I don’t think it was a coincidence Gates had just returned from China when he had his meltdown. The shock of dealing with the Chinese, the sniggering and stares, the rudeness of underlings, must have made it almost unbearable for him to maintain his identity. A powerful emotional need that requires whites to be uniquely “racist” and not acting with normal human prejudice was in jeopardy. Ergo, the hysteria, scapegoat, catharsis, and belief safely restored on return.

    When it comes to events like Ferguson we see the process in a kind of media-driven collective symbolic ritual.

  63. The MSM is like Schultze in Hogans Heroes:

    See no evil, hear no evil …

    Oops, maybe they are the three wise monkeys.

  64. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Priss Factor

    Wow, what a story! But that guy's dad was a real dumbass, to consent to getting tested. He could have said, "I don't want to learn about my disease risks, I'd rather be a fatalist about that."

  65. I can’t grok this statement from the Donme link you put up.

    “In the last months of 2011, I developed an unnatural phobia of death— of someone hurting or killing me, or of loved ones committing suicide,” he recalls. “I grew paranoid and ended up hurting people who were important for me. In the end I realized that I had to confront these phobias. In order to overcome my fears, I began taking treks in old cemeteries across Istanbul.”

    That just … guess it is culture… ah heck it is genetics of course. That kind of thing comes across as totally unmanly, I guess what a kid might call “totally gay.”

    People are really this neurotic? The guy ought to get good and blasted. At least he would have a different problem then.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Sunbeam

    Do you think Robin Williams died of too much gayness?

  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Rusty Shackleford,

    I appreciate having a St Louisan ring in on this topic. I feel like we haven’t gotten a real good feel yet on what sort of place Ferguson and the surrounding area really is.

    For example, what sort of bars do you go to in the STL area? Are there any good ones?

    • Replies: @Rusty Shackleford
    @Anonymous


    I appreciate having a St Louisan ring in on this topic. I feel like we haven’t gotten a real good feel yet on what sort of place Ferguson and the surrounding area really is.
     
    The most basic impression that people tell me about when they come to St. Louis is that they are surprised by how green it is. Not in the environmentalist sense, but simply in that there are a lot of parks, lakes, massive trees, etc. So through the 90's I would have probably said that Ferguson was a solidly middle class suburb with nice parks and large houses. The aerospace and automotive industries were the major employers in the area and the population contained a significant number of engineers and well paid skilled workers like tool and die makers and machinists. Ferguson was one of the nicer municipalities in its area of the St. Louis region. Since the 90's you've had the housing crisis, an airport expansion that leveled a good chunk of the northern part of St Louis County, continued encroachment from section 8 voucher holders and black flight from the northside of St. Louis City, the collapse of American manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.

    If you'd driven through Ferguson in July of this year, you'd probably think that it was a little rough, but it was still a functioning, working community. It was maintaining. There are places in St. Louis were you just don't want to be whether you're white or black, but Ferguson definitely wasn't like that. And that's what annoys me about equivocating the situation in Ferguson with Tawana Brawley, Duke Lacrosse and Bonfire of the Vanities style race farces, as though it were just another laugh. Ferguson is a real life earth and stone city. The people rioting in the streets did nothing to build it, but they've effectively destroyed it over a useless thug who very likely only got what he had coming to him. To my mind, one of the more pathetic scenes to come out of the whole situation were the crowds of white people (they were mostly white but there were some black people with them) who'd show up the morning after each night of looting in their "I love Ferguson" t shirts and try to clean up as well as they could.


    For example, what sort of bars do you go to in the STL area? Are there any good ones?

     

    St. Louis whites are a bunch of Germans, Czechs, Polish, Italians and Irish, so every area has its favorite bars. If you want an actual dinner you traditionally go to the Italian neighborhood, The Hill. The food elsewhere can be bratwurst and beer centric.
  67. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?"

    That's a good question. I suspect people tend generally to gravitate toward moralistic emotions that are in their own self-interest. How that process works can be a complex one, however.

    On the other hand, that beating down small town resistance to Section 8 blacks moving in is in the self-interest of New York and Washington types is something that ought to be more publicized.

    Replies: @anon, @Sam Haysom, @Clyde

    On the other hand, that beating down small town resistance to Section 8 blacks moving in is in the self-interest of New York and Washington types is something that ought to be more publicized.

    Funny how it works out that way, as a plus for urban elites. But I think they are oblivious about Section 8 devastations. The hypocritical anti racism of bigfoot urban elitists (like N Kristoff) is a moral preening display. And we know that today anti-racism really means anti-white

  68. If they ever bring analogies back into the SAT, I have a nice three-way one for them:

    Huns were to Goths were to Rome
    as
    Ghetto Blacks are to Middle Class Blacks are to Whites.

  69. I thought the fixation on Ferguson was because there was a riot that potentially could have spread to other podunks that comprise the ring of suburbs or exurbs around St Louis. Like slave revolts the prospect of large scale rioting in the newly ‘diverse’ areas surrounding the Boston to Washington corridor must be something that is regularly discussed behind closed doors. Ferguson also made international news.

  70. @Rusty Shackleford
    Oh, I wouldn't give the media that much credit. I don't doubt that they are susceptible to the class prejudices and self interest, but I can't believe they've strategized and mapped it out in the way Sailer is suggesting. If it were true, why wouldn't they be waging the battle on their own decaying suburbs, where their efforts would have the maximum impact. Further, I live in St. Louis and have worked in Ferguson, and I haven't noticed any massive influx of black ghetto people (or any at all for that matter) from the centers of media or government, if that is what he was suggesting. Black flight from the slums of North St. Louis was more than enough to doom Ferguson, which by the way was by no means a "dumpy" place at all until a decade or so ago.

    I think that the simpler answer is that the media is made up of nice, bright, little upper middle class white people who've only ever substantially encountered the nice, Obama/Skip Gates sort of black person. I have people like this in my family. They'll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses. The wide scale, multigenerational state of degradation they are in is something you have to see first hand in their homes and personal lives to fully appreciate. It's something on the scale of a genetic adaptation rather than a cultural issue at this point.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Another Canadian, @viking

    I think that the simpler answer is that the media is made up of nice, bright, little upper middle class white people who’ve only ever substantially encountered the nice, Obama/Skip Gates sort of black person. I have people like this in my family. They’ll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses.

    Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

  71. The stuff I’ve read on a lot of these municipalities sounds more like the Mexican cops, for whom incentivizing people to stay within the law would be against their financial interest. Functional municipalities can rely on property & sales taxes, but once the original founders of these suburbs fled further out that was no longer viable. Presumably the inhabitants of the worst inner ring suburbs for whom the fight against ghettofication is long lost would benefit from incorporation into St. Louis proper, but that’s not in the interest of the local officials who would be made redundant and the underclass is not noted for its civic activism (part of the appeal of immigration to many pols).

  72. One of the things I’ve noticed about the media coverage of Ferguson is that though there has been a modicum of fairness in the old style MSM, the really vociferous hate-mongering has been concentrated in the online, smarty-pants oriented, center-left press like Slate, Vox, New Republic, Upshot, Atlantic Online etc. These websites usually specialize in taking a clever angle on the sociology of some trending topic and you would think that they might normally be outlets that would be sympathetic to connecting the dots between gentrification and social conflict in inner ring suburbs (though probably with a different spin than Steve Sailer).

    Instead, their angle is basically “F— the Police” full-stop. It occurred to me the reason was that the writers at these websites typically not only live in gentrifying cities, but have lived the last decade of their lives at the spearpoint of the gentrifying hordes. First, the faster places like Ferguson turn into East St. Louis the better their lives will get.

    Another factor, though, is that these guys have also personally witnessed the “broken windows” police tactics that have been so helpful in clearing Brooklyn and downtown D.C. which is not always so nice for a tender young Harvard grad to see. They feel bad about it and maybe also bad that they really have not asked that many questions about what has been going on under their very own noses for their very own benefit. That makes it all the easier to demonize a bunch of local cops.

    Of course, it could be just they discovered that racial controversy is click bait and being sensible isn’t.

    • Replies: @bjdubbs
    @Ezra


    It occurred to me the reason was that the writers at these websites typically not only live in gentrifying cities, but have lived the last decade of their lives at the spearpoint of the gentrifying hordes. First, the faster places like Ferguson turn into East St. Louis the better their lives will get.

    Another factor, though, is that these guys have also personally witnessed the “broken windows” police tactics that have been so helpful in clearing Brooklyn and downtown D.C. which is not always so nice for a tender young Harvard grad to see. They feel bad about it and maybe also bad that they really have not asked that many questions about what has been going on under their very own noses for their very own benefit. That makes it all the easier to demonize a bunch of local cops.
     
    I think that's what Steve's getting at, that it's projection.
  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, you’re a very good writer and social critic but oftentimes your logic is way too conspiratorial.

    I’ll wager that not a single journalist or editor made *any* connection between gentrification and suburban law enforcement’s relationship with black assimilation, let alone *consciously advocated* to smooth that transition.

    If anything, the journalistic class in NY/DC consistently write against gentrification and are a strong force behind the nonsense public housing and rent control laws that favor blacks and hurt whites in those cities. It doesn’t matter if it’s literally the same people that do the gentrifying — they “feel bad” while doing it.

    Other economic and social forces are at play here and they’re not that sinister.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "I’ll wager that not a single journalist or editor made *any* connection"

    Sure, but that doesn't mean that the unreasoning emotions that people feel don't have any connection to their self-interest.

  74. OT:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/magazine/the-death-of-adulthood-in-american-culture.html?_r=0

    A. O. Scott seems like a smart guy laboring under the needless and self-contradictory conceptual handicaps of the dominant ideology.

  75. @Jay
    Steve Sailer's use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.

    In 1974 while clipping my toenails I noted that one of the remaining arcs appeared to have a more feminized curve to it than in the past, thereby serving as a harbinger of the chaos that BPA would wreak upon the hormones of the men of America.

    Also, Steve doesn't get music at all. Leave that to real critics. Can you imagine anything more boring than going to a concert with him?

    Replies: @EriK, @Marty, @Big Bill, @S. Verdad, @Danindc

    Steve Sailer’s use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.

    I love this passive-aggressive routine. Classic lefty. They are pissed-off, but they realize that anger is laughable and (worse) boring, so they turn it into “You are so funny” [read: “You are so stupid and I hate you!”]

    To which the best response is “Hey, thanks. Glad you enjoy it!”

  76. @Jay
    Steve Sailer's use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.

    In 1974 while clipping my toenails I noted that one of the remaining arcs appeared to have a more feminized curve to it than in the past, thereby serving as a harbinger of the chaos that BPA would wreak upon the hormones of the men of America.

    Also, Steve doesn't get music at all. Leave that to real critics. Can you imagine anything more boring than going to a concert with him?

    Replies: @EriK, @Marty, @Big Bill, @S. Verdad, @Danindc

    SS doesn’t get music? WTF is wrong with The Clash and Elvis Costello?

  77. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2752166/Are-evolving-NEW-type-human-Different-species-evolved-2050-scientist-says.html

    “It suggests that as brain sizes increase, organisms need more energy and time to reach their full potential, and so reproduce less.
    Instead of living fast and dying young, Mr Last believes humans will live slow and die old.”

    Yeah, good luck with that as UK will be 50% African by 2050.

  78. @Sean
    Section 8 blacks are better off in every way living where there is not a concentration of people just like them. And actually the people in these towns could stop the influx if they just organised, but they won't, because it is too much time and trouble for them personally; they would rather be having fun. So the big city types who actually are willing to spend their time get to have a disproportionate influence. I am not sure if it is in the personal self-interest of New York and Washington types to agitate over these isues. In my opinion it is more of a class interest, which some people have a temperamental propensity for. Within whites, some people just can't be bothered to dispose of trash properly, some people feel the need to agitate for social equality. Probably all explained by genetic HBD.

    Replies: @Rusty Shackleford, @Rusty Shackleford, @Michelle

    What you say is true. When I first moved to the Bay Area suburb I now reside in, I rode public transit on many occasions with the vice mayor, a practising lawyer, who during other administrations was, and is a city council member. In our city a notorious section 8 apartment building, known for violent crime, was sold to a buyer who evicted all the tenants and, ultimately, remodeled the building. The tenants were given a generous moving out fee. There were a few tenants who protested vociferously. Most of these tenants who were refusing to move out were the lazy, unemployed\unemployable sons of elderly or disabled women who lived in the building. The owner ended up having his way. The former tenants got lucky in that many landlords in our city offered them other places to live and waved fees and deposits and etc. The vice mayor supported the sale and eviction of the tenants. He told me that every tenant he ran into after the forced moves told him that they didn’t realize that living in section 8 was so bad until they lived otherwise. They were very grateful to be living amongst normal people, at last.

  79. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/magazine/the-death-of-adulthood-in-american-culture.html?_r=0

    What a dork.

    Btw, what was so odd about the dominance of white males in a nation that was traditionally mostly white?

    That’s like bitching that Japan is dominated by Japanese males. Duh.

    And are we freer? Or are dominated by Jewish and homo elites who are many times worse than wasp males of old?

  80. Big Bill [AKA "The Dude"] says:
    @Hard Line Realist

    underclass blacks are a giant hot potato that practically every municipality wants to hand off to somebody else.
     
    However, because of the reservoir of alleles for bad behavior (ie, regression to the mean), middle class blacks are busy making more of the undertow.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @viking

    As long as the tax base, employment and power structure are predominately white. the black middle class benefits from black chaos and crime. When a riot happens, the black middle class gets more jobs to service the feral youth: more black teachers, more black social workers, more black cops, more black firemen. And (best of all) the costs are dumped on white folks who are the majority of the tax base. More black chaos = more job security … as long as you can live in a white neighborhood, that is.

    Eventually, however, the populace, the jobs and the tax base ALL turn majority black. At that point, the scales shift the other way. The black middle class no longer benefits from more chaos, but suffers from it. If all the jobs are black then there are no special make-work jobs set aside special for black folks. If deadbeat blacks aren’t paying their property taxes or electric bills, the cost falls on all the OTHER black folks.

    Further, complaints about racism no longer work (due to black control of all the institutions) and hence there are fewer federal, state and county programs [read: “white folks money”] created special for black folks. There are no more Eric Holder Mandatory Set Aside and Hiring Programs.

    At this point, with no white folks to bail them out and give them jobs, the black middle class is stuck. Sadly, it is only then that they stop talking about “The Legacy of Slavery” and start talking (as Mr. Lamar Grace and John Clanton do in the quoted article) about all the crazy, violent, criminal black folks who trash the neighborhood, hijack cars, rob and shoot folks and generally act the fool.

    But by then they done run off all the white folks and it’s too late.

  81. @Jay
    Steve Sailer's use of anecdotal personal information to support his point is one of the funniest things about his writing.

    In 1974 while clipping my toenails I noted that one of the remaining arcs appeared to have a more feminized curve to it than in the past, thereby serving as a harbinger of the chaos that BPA would wreak upon the hormones of the men of America.

    Also, Steve doesn't get music at all. Leave that to real critics. Can you imagine anything more boring than going to a concert with him?

    Replies: @EriK, @Marty, @Big Bill, @S. Verdad, @Danindc

    If you’re going to make idiotic criticisms at least be funny. That’s not a lot to ask.

  82. @Anonymous
    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell's theses in "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves. That was a long time ago and no one really remembers anyway. What matters is that if for a third to a half of the residents the carnival atmosphere never ends, disregarding color, you know the kids aren't studying there.

    More than likely it's a ghetto or a ghetto to be.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Sunbeam, @Twinkie

    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.

    Right… No, I think not.

    Many parts of Appalachia have appalling poverty, often with much, much lower median incomes than many black urban ghettos. Talk about areas “abandoned” and forgotten by those with means.

    Yet most of Appalachia has but a fraction of the per capita violent crimes the black urban ghettos have. Indeed violent crime (murder, rape, assault) rates are considerably below the national average in Appalachia (murder was about half the national average the last time I checked, prompted by something I read in “The National Review”). What crimes exist are usually petty thefts, meth production/sales (though much of meth production has been chased across our southern border), and entitlement fraud.

    Frankly, statistically speaking, I am much safer from dangerous crime with poor Appalachian whites than I am with the considerably richer black urban populations.

    With poor rural whites, homes may be grimy and there may be ignorance and drug addiction as well as some petty crimes. But there is infrequently physical danger. With poor urban blacks, there is overwhelmingly greater danger of murder, assault, robbery, and rape (for women). And with the latter that danger is magnified when one is white or Asian.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Twinkie

    "Talk about areas “abandoned” and forgotten by those with means."

    Liberals love to watch "Justified". They can indulge their gangsta Schadenfreude without watching too many black faces (of course, there's gonna be a token heroic black female cop or two).

    It's far more entertaining than their well-thumbed copies of What's the Matter with Kansas? and not nearly as depressing as the faces in Let Us Now Praise Famous Men.

    And it's all based on an Elmore Leonard novel -- that is about as SWPL as can be. So every couple of decades, the liberal establishment does indeed shed a few tears about Appalachia, and the cruel right-wing coal barons and Republicans and DEA agents that are supposedly responsible for keeping the area poor and backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Hacienda
    @Twinkie

    LOL. Appalachia whites, too? Pot, meth, ho-downs, hillbillies, coal-miners, and Loretta Lynn.

    I'll take Indiana over Kentucky. Pot, flatland, basketball, corn, Michael Jackson, the Indy 500, and tornadoes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWk2sH9PduQ

    Jim Nabors was Alabama/Hollywood. Not a true Hoosier. But, he could work that song, which probably means a lot more aa a marketing ploy. No one in Indiana gives a sh+t about that song.

    Correct on poor whites. 10-20x less violent than urban blacks.

    Replies: @Poetry N Motion, @Twinkie

  83. @Anonymous
    Steve, you're a very good writer and social critic but oftentimes your logic is way too conspiratorial.

    I'll wager that not a single journalist or editor made *any* connection between gentrification and suburban law enforcement's relationship with black assimilation, let alone *consciously advocated* to smooth that transition.

    If anything, the journalistic class in NY/DC consistently write against gentrification and are a strong force behind the nonsense public housing and rent control laws that favor blacks and hurt whites in those cities. It doesn't matter if it's literally the same people that do the gentrifying -- they "feel bad" while doing it.

    Other economic and social forces are at play here and they're not that sinister.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “I’ll wager that not a single journalist or editor made *any* connection”

    Sure, but that doesn’t mean that the unreasoning emotions that people feel don’t have any connection to their self-interest.

  84. @Sunbeam
    @Anonymous

    "One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves."

    I think there is something to this, though it is hard to for me to say how much.

    I am a southerner, and the family has been since we got off the boat, etc.

    I've also seen a few other sections of the country. There is something very strange about the south's lack of interest in education. You may get mocked as a geek in Nebraska, but the mockers can read and do basic math.

    Down south they can't. Actually for the most part they would never mock a geek (talking about high school here). It is just something they are not interested in. If you read books you are some kind of alien and get shunted into another dimension or something, even if you are in the same place.

    I can't say how far west this goes, and how far north exactly. Offhand I'd say East Texas and Kentucky or so. Incidentally if you take the same people (white southerners) and raise them in another environment like California, they become "American Normal" as regards education and basic skills.

    Then too some of the cities like Atlanta and the Triangle are different, but the attitudes and results are pretty widespread in the rural areas of the south.

    I can also say that I have encountered a couple of actual sub-saharan Africans in a university setting. If you talked to them enough for them to be candid, they were kind of shocked at how all the Americans they encountered behaved in class.

    They were also kind of shocked by black Americans, but I never talked to them about that particular live wire.

    Just saying, whatever the average IQ, blacks may well have picked up a not very useful mindset from some Americans. It's one thing for education not to exist, like in a remote village in the Congo. It's another to be actively hostile and totally uninterested in education.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.”

    In general, Scots-Irish and blacks didn’t have that much contact. The Scots-Irish tried to stick to cooler highlands (Appalachia and Ozarks) where the disease burden was less.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    In general, Scots-Irish and blacks didn’t have that much contact. The Scots-Irish tried to stick to cooler highlands (Appalachia and Ozarks) where the disease burden was less.
     
    There is a fantastic movie about the life of a tough white teenage girl who tries to survive in a particularly rough area of the Ozarks called "Winter's Bone." Trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_X2pDRXyY

    It catapulted a young (and relatively thin-ish looking) Jennifer Lawrence into acting fame. She was absolutely fierce in it. Another interesting thing to note about that film is that many of the background casts were locally recruited. They fit the part, because they're from there.
  85. @Steve Sailer
    @Sunbeam

    "One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.”

    In general, Scots-Irish and blacks didn't have that much contact. The Scots-Irish tried to stick to cooler highlands (Appalachia and Ozarks) where the disease burden was less.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    In general, Scots-Irish and blacks didn’t have that much contact. The Scots-Irish tried to stick to cooler highlands (Appalachia and Ozarks) where the disease burden was less.

    There is a fantastic movie about the life of a tough white teenage girl who tries to survive in a particularly rough area of the Ozarks called “Winter’s Bone.” Trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_X2pDRXyY

    It catapulted a young (and relatively thin-ish looking) Jennifer Lawrence into acting fame. She was absolutely fierce in it. Another interesting thing to note about that film is that many of the background casts were locally recruited. They fit the part, because they’re from there.

  86. And while at it, I always find it sad that all these hip, cool whites flock to (as that SWPL website put it) “black music that black people no longer listen to,” somehow because that is more “authentic” all the while missing the truly great and authentic folk music found just a couple of hours drive west from the coastal areas of the Eastern seaboard. There is some fantastic bluegrass music on those hills!

    There are regular bluegrass concerts and festivals all over Appalachia, and some of them are even held at very cool caverns. Our urban and suburban brethren don’t know what they’re missing!

    My girls used to love doing bluegrass dancing when they were little. Even now, when I break out a little Bascom Lamar Lunsford once in a blue moon, they’ll pound the floor with their feet.

  87. Pizza — isn’t it time you got your own blog?

  88. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-oreilly-clash-over-white-privilege-in-ferguson/

    “She referenced ‘white flight,’ the tendency of white residents to leave communities when a number of blacks move nearby. ‘The black population feels forgotten, Bill’ she said. ‘That’s why they feel resentful’.”

    What a twit. With cons like these…

    White flight is to flee from black fight.

    Not only whites but all groups don’t want to live with large numbers of unruly and rowdy blacks with tougher muscles.

    If she really feels the way she does, she should go live in a black neighborhood.

  89. “Right… No, I think not.

    Many parts of Appalachia have appalling poverty, often with much, much lower median incomes than many black urban ghettos. Talk about areas “abandoned” and forgotten by those with means.

    Yet most of Appalachia has but a fraction of the per capita violent crimes the black urban ghettos have. Indeed violent crime (murder, rape, assault) rates are considerably below the national average in Appalachia (murder was about half the national average the last time I checked, prompted by something I read in “The National Review”). What crimes exist are usually petty thefts, meth production/sales (though much of meth production has been chased across our southern border), and entitlement fraud.

    Frankly, statistically speaking, I am much safer from dangerous crime with poor Appalachian whites than I am with the considerably richer black urban populations.

    With poor rural whites, homes may be grimy and there may be ignorance and drug addiction as well as some petty crimes. But there is infrequently physical danger. With poor urban blacks, there is overwhelmingly greater danger of murder, assault, robbery, and rape (for women). And with the latter that danger is magnified when one is white or Asian.”

    PG County, Maryland has a much higher crime and murder rate than any county in Appalachia. And that says a lot because PG County, Maryland has the highest percentage of middle and upper class Blacks in the country.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Jefferson


    PG County, Maryland has a much higher crime and murder rate than any county in Appalachia. And that says a lot because PG County, Maryland has the highest percentage of middle and upper class Blacks in the country.
     
    All that wealth via the Federal gov't and blacks are over represented in Federal employment at least in the greater DC region. So are women, lesbians and gays. DC is very gay. They love them Federal jobs and vacationing in the Rehoboth Beach area and owning second homes and vacation condos there. I know this from a relative. Lesley Gore turns out to be a big gay icon. They unwittingly went to her Rehoboth beach concert and the audience was mostly gay and lesbian. I'll bet just about all have Federal or state jobs or are retired from such
  90. “Blacks are a giant hot potato that practically every municipality wants to hand off”

    Suit: Landlord exiting Section 8 wants “affluent white tenants”

    Plaintiffs trying to prevent owner of 781 Washington Avenue from leaving program- See more at: http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/09/10/landlord-looking-to-leave-section-8-slapped-with-tenant-suit/#sthash.zzkSj0IX.dpuf

  91. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/01/friends-israel

    AIPACarthyism

    “Staff members fret about whether AIPAC will prevent them from getting a good consulting job when they leave government. ‘You just hear the name!’ a Senate aide said. ‘You hear that they are involved and everyone’s ears perk up and their mood changes, and they start to fall in line in a certain way.’”

  92. @Sunbeam
    I can't grok this statement from the Donme link you put up.

    "In the last months of 2011, I developed an unnatural phobia of death— of someone hurting or killing me, or of loved ones committing suicide," he recalls. "I grew paranoid and ended up hurting people who were important for me. In the end I realized that I had to confront these phobias. In order to overcome my fears, I began taking treks in old cemeteries across Istanbul."

    That just ... guess it is culture... ah heck it is genetics of course. That kind of thing comes across as totally unmanly, I guess what a kid might call "totally gay."

    People are really this neurotic? The guy ought to get good and blasted. At least he would have a different problem then.

    Replies: @anon

    Do you think Robin Williams died of too much gayness?

  93. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    After all the white guys who were killed or maimed in these wars, this is the gratitude they get:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/11/army-concerned-with-number-of-white-men-leading-co/

    How about asking why so many Jews get to call the shots on foreign policy but so few do the dying?

    Foreign policy appears to be 80% Jewish controlled, but I doubt if Jews were even 0.2% of those who died in the Iraq War. Besides, the likes of Emanuel served in the Israeli army.

  94. yea look into what happens when a place too white small town
    they are forced to import minorities from Cleveland or dc to be able to get government money
    pretty verifiable I would imagine
    my town used to be fairly white but then 20 years ago blacks imported from Cleveland
    and now it is almost all drug dealers
    in three years I saw another town all white
    now have blacks standing on almost all corners and they came from dc
    obviously not an accident
    the big cities are breeding exports
    of people
    then some people in that town get lots of money for building the projects and such
    and section 8 loot
    it is a short term moneymaker
    till there are no business
    I guess it will come to an end
    all the houses will eventually burn down and not be rebuilt and everyone will have escaped
    to where who knows
    they building project houses right now in the middle of what used to be upper middle class

  95. The post is entitled “A Cynical Look..” and I think that in giving it this title Steve Sailer suspected, correctly, that he was being overly cynical in this analysis. The mainstream media are not engaged in a deliberate conspiracy to target declining formerly-white-majority cities like Ferguson … it is a just a muddling-through mess that has forced Ferguson and other declining towns with ageing white working class populations to deal with an onslaught of poor migrants as the center cities gentrify.

  96. Things like gentrification and high migration start out slow but they build on themselves. Populations and prices in an area keep going up, so that over and over again, those who thought their jobs or their apartment would be safe discover there’s really no place left for them.

    There’s going to be a revolution on many people’s doorsteps because new people with more money want what they have. It seems our benefits systems are designed to handle the long term poor, not the newly poor. Our government isn’t set up to handle massive upheavals. Ready or not, though, massive upheavals coming soon. Doubling and tripling the number of the poorest people in America has that effect.

    Somehow it seems the “US Official Wish List” of things we’d like got switched with the “Top 10 List of Things US Should Avoid.”

  97. @Sean
    The best solution would be for the average black in a black community to aspire to be like a successful middle class black along the block. The middle class blacks are the problem. The blacks who should be the role models for the average black, don't want to live in the same area as them.

    Replies: @Jonathan Silber

    The middle class blacks are the problem. The blacks who should be the role models for the average black, don’t want to live in the same area as them.

    Middle-class blacks who live among low-life blacks serve not as their role models, but as their prey and victims.

  98. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I see the agitation, unrest and provocative demonstrations are continuing. Apparently there’s numbers of people in the US who are ready travel to any hotspot so that they can participate and help stir things up. Do any of those demonstrators in Ferguson work? How do they support themselves? They seem to have all the free time in the world to engage in all this street action.

  99. Interesting. One of my favourite aphorism – attributed to Bernard Shaw, I think, is that the power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who haven’t got it.

    I lived for many years in a turn of the (20th) century neighbourhood just east of downtown San Jose, California. My street was sort of the unofficial border between the gentrifying area east (Naglee Park) and the more transitional, “urban” neighbourhood to the west. Two blocks west of me were really cheap, two and three-storey mid-century apartments that had cropped up following the flight of the well-to-do to suburbs around the valley. The “lots” often were had wind-blown litter, abandoned shopping trolleys from the Lucky’s nearby, old, “blue plate” cars in various levels of operation in parking spots or worse, on the lawn (back in those days, if your car had a blue coloured plate, it was likely a piece of junk – too “new” to be a black-plate collector item). Two blocks east of me was Zoe Lofgren, who was our congressional rep.

    San Jose was in the midst of a cat-mouse battle to try to encourage gentrification. One of the tools was to put in place parking bans – one could not park on “unpaved surfaces.” There also was a new restriction in place on street parking – you needed a permit to park on the street, and these were limited by household. The obvious intent was to try to stop the practice of eight car-driving adults renting a single house. The “nice” area (where Ms Lofgren lived) put in a bunch of obstacles to prevent through traffic, which pretty much meant that no one other than residents would come in.

    I personally called code enforcement the instant I spotted an old Ford sitting on the lawn of the “family” across the street, and others in the area tried to expand the permit parking and blockages. But there were still other residents in the area who complained about how the “newcomers” to the area were changing the neighbourhood from Naglee to Nag-me Park.

    I guess they longeded for the day when 100 year old Victorian and Craftsman houses were cut up into cheap, Section 8 apartments.

  100. @conatus; you must be pretty suburban. U st has been gentrifying for the last 10 years. And again, contra Steve’s point, Section 8 remains. One section 8 project on 15th and U is scheduled to be taken down, and replaced with a mixed market rate/section property but the number of units remains the same. If you want a shocker, go into Petworth or further NE. White people with babies everywhere.

    Gentrication takes places where it is easy to throw up new (large) buildings when the old ones were burned down in 1968, or where you can offer a lot of cash to get private owners to sell.

    , again your point may be valid but one fact isn’t. PG County has a lot of “middle class” blacks. But in the area inside the beltway it has huge concentrations of Section 8, and that is where 75% of the crime is taking place. I use middle class in quotes because my rule of thumb is use n-1 when applying social class to african americans. PG county, to me, looks mostly lower middle class, and a few sections of upper middle class. They are finally getting a whole foods, though.

  101. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    The Truth About the IRS Scandal: Was an Election Stolen?

    ——–

    Far worse than Watergate

  102. A Cynical Take

    Is it possible to have any other kind of “take”?

  103. @TWS
    A city can clean itself up and get the undesirables/criminals to move. I know I helped do it. I worked for a city that once had no police force the county provided police service but there were two officers who covered hundreds of square miles and tens of thousands of residents.

    The town was infested by a biker gang and hillbilly drug dealers. They hired a police force that wasn't afraid to enforce every law go into the biker bars and face down the rock-cooking hillbillys. Four years into it and we had one gross misdemeanor or felony every few months. Businesses began opening/moving in. Contractors began building better homes. No bikers, no hillbillys, bars were orderly and we'd get one or two problems a year out of them.

    That was twenty something years ago so the world has changed. The key really is to get out of your car, police the 'broken windows', make sure the undesirables know you'll just be waiting for them to f-up they'll move on.

    You cannot fix the world. Our society has created too many dirtbags and the underclass simply won't follow normal values but you can make your town safe and clean.

    Replies: @David R. Merridale, @Anonymous White Male

    You cannot fix the world. Our society has created too many dirtbags and the underclass simply won’t follow normal values but you can make your town safe and clean.

    People can change to a degree if the environment is right. A parole-officer friend of mine says a lot of his cases straighten out in their mid-thirties, partly, he figures, because their testosterone levels are lower, but largely because they realize they’re not tough enough for prison any more. I wonder how many of your hillbilly troublemakers moved out of town and how many just stopped making trouble.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @David R. Merridale

    People can change to a degree if the environment is right. A parole-officer friend of mine says a lot of his cases straighten out in their mid-thirties, partly, he figures, because their testosterone levels are lower, but largely because they realize they’re not tough enough for prison any more. I wonder how many of your hillbilly troublemakers moved out of town and how many just stopped making trouble.

    Your parole officer friend is right. Test falls, prison is 'no country for old men' and they are either permanently locked up or too worn down to pull the impulsive crap that got them in jail in the first place. Most criminals are in jail for poor impulse control issues you've either learned, are dead, or in some sort of permanent incarceration at some point.

    Most of the hillbillies left heck all that did not own their home/trailer left. Most of those who owned their own places were bought off at a huge profit by the developers who discovered a quaint, safe town to raise kids in an easy commute of several larger cities. Those few that stayed most cleaned up their acts or moved a few miles down the road and stayed out of town.

    The town became so popular that a huge housing development was built inside the 100 year flood zone. All high end homes all single family dwellings. Everyone from the inspectors to the planners, to the contractors knows those homes are going to get flooded but they just don't care because there is so much money to be made. The town really is a gem now and I wouldn't mind living there but I could never afford it.

  104. @Jefferson
    "African-Americans are being replaced in New York City by Africans and Caribbean blacks."

    How is that any better ? Do African and Caribbean Blacks commit less crime per capita than American Blacks ? I doubt it.

    I have never heard anybody refer to Jamaicans for example as model minorities. The late rapper Biggie Smalls for example was a drug dealer from the projects and he was of Jamaican descent.

    Replies: @David R. Merridale, @Ed

    How is that any better ? Do African and Caribbean Blacks commit less crime per capita than American Blacks ? I doubt it.

    It’s true, and everyone knows this except you.

  105. @Jefferson
    "Right… No, I think not.

    Many parts of Appalachia have appalling poverty, often with much, much lower median incomes than many black urban ghettos. Talk about areas “abandoned” and forgotten by those with means.

    Yet most of Appalachia has but a fraction of the per capita violent crimes the black urban ghettos have. Indeed violent crime (murder, rape, assault) rates are considerably below the national average in Appalachia (murder was about half the national average the last time I checked, prompted by something I read in “The National Review”). What crimes exist are usually petty thefts, meth production/sales (though much of meth production has been chased across our southern border), and entitlement fraud.

    Frankly, statistically speaking, I am much safer from dangerous crime with poor Appalachian whites than I am with the considerably richer black urban populations.

    With poor rural whites, homes may be grimy and there may be ignorance and drug addiction as well as some petty crimes. But there is infrequently physical danger. With poor urban blacks, there is overwhelmingly greater danger of murder, assault, robbery, and rape (for women). And with the latter that danger is magnified when one is white or Asian."

    PG County, Maryland has a much higher crime and murder rate than any county in Appalachia. And that says a lot because PG County, Maryland has the highest percentage of middle and upper class Blacks in the country.

    Replies: @Clyde

    PG County, Maryland has a much higher crime and murder rate than any county in Appalachia. And that says a lot because PG County, Maryland has the highest percentage of middle and upper class Blacks in the country.

    All that wealth via the Federal gov’t and blacks are over represented in Federal employment at least in the greater DC region. So are women, lesbians and gays. DC is very gay. They love them Federal jobs and vacationing in the Rehoboth Beach area and owning second homes and vacation condos there. I know this from a relative. Lesley Gore turns out to be a big gay icon. They unwittingly went to her Rehoboth beach concert and the audience was mostly gay and lesbian. I’ll bet just about all have Federal or state jobs or are retired from such

  106. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    The pressure campaign to get anti-American, anti-Israel bigot Steven Salaita onto the UIUC faculty has now failed:

    http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2014-09-11/updated-ui-trustees-reject-salaita.html

    The vote was 8-1 against him by the UI Trustees.

    This guy's "scholarship" was focused on comparing American "oppression" of native Americans to Israeli "oppression" of Palestinians. But he mostly just was a full time campaigner for anti-Israel causes.

    I try to ignore the awful stuff coming out of academic humanities departments. But the campaign to get Salaita rehired led me to look at some of these people's published works. They are truely hateful beyond belief towards the USA and its people. It is the main focus of every darn thing they publish. Dealing them this major defeat was sweet, but please make sure your kids don't take classes from them.

    To take one example, the leader of the Salaita campaign is Corey Robin, author of "The Reactionary Mind" where he says conservatism is a mental illness:

    From the French Revolution to the Tea Party, conservatism has been a reactionary movement, a defense of power and privilege against democratic challenges from below, particularly in the private spheres of the family and the workplace.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @fNN

    This guy’s “scholarship” was focused on comparing American “oppression” of native Americans to Israeli “oppression” of Palestinians

    But of course! As an Israeli sabra told me over a few beers, “you got to kill all your natives, why can’t we kill ours?”

    And I had to admit he made a wonderful point. Why shouldn’t Jews kill all their natives?

    It works both ways. We can be a beacon of sanity for them and they (in the case of desert concentration camps and border fences) can be a good example for us!

  107. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    "In recent decades, the two gentrifying media capitals have been successfully driving out American-born blacks. They’ve been prodding African-Americans to leave with things like stop and frisk in NYC."

    Steve, this is a mistake you keep making over and over again. The media bullhorn-holders who are broadcasting the approved Ferguson narrative also mostly opposed stop and frisk in NYC, and, courtesy of Mayor de Blasio and federal judge Shira Scheindlin, have finally gotten their wish that it be ended. They are not being hypocrites about law enforcement; they are against doing it effectively anywhere in the country.

    Similarly, American Jewish open-borders enthusiasts, whether leftists or Asperger's-afflicted libertarians such as Bryan Caplan, are generally unsympathetic to the Israeli government's attempts to kick out the African "refugees" who have illegally migrated into Israel.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave

    “Similarly, American Jewish open-borders enthusiasts, whether leftists or Asperger’s-afflicted libertarians such as Bryan Caplan, are generally unsympathetic to the Israeli government’s attempts to kick out the African “refugees” who have illegally migrated into Israel.”

    Really? How can one tell? Their donations to African resettlement efforts in Israel? Their public pronouncements on the immorality of desert concentration camps? Their vocal support for African amnesty in Israel?

    I know, I know, they tell you in all the private conversations you have with them. I must admit, I have looked at all the non-binding Senate Resolutions regarding Israel and haven’t seen a one that insists on African amnesty in Israel. But perhaps the AJC, the ADL, the Conference of Presidents of Jewish Organizations, or AIPAC have come out with a position paper that I have missed. Do share with us.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I doubt you talk to many Jews of any variety. I, on the other hand, do (being Jewish and living in New York, it's not surprising), and can tell you that among Jewish leftists, even in Israel, there's a great deal of misplaced sympathy for the useless African vagrants. AIPAC, by the way, only deals with Israel security issues, not internal Israeli social issues, and would not take a position on the African migration into Israel. The Conference of Presidents includes dozens of different Jewish organizations, many of whom are mutually antagonistic, and would not take a position on this sort of issue.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Here's an article on the website of the "Religious Action Committee" (i.e., committee for leftwing agitation) of the Union for Reform Judaism, the largest denomination of Judaism in the US, on the African "asylum seekers" (as the article refers to them) in Israel.

    http://blogs.rj.org/rac/2013/01/31/challenges-for-african-asylum-seekers-in-israel-how-much-has-changed/

    Needless to say, the article is sympathetic to the "asylum seekers," not to Israelis opposing their presence. It is evident from the article that the African vagrants have plenty of support within the leftist permanent Israeli bureaucracy, not just leftwing American Jews.

    My suggestion to Americans worried about excessive immigration into this country: take a break from bashing "Zionists" and do a better job of fighting American leftists, Jewish and otherwise, who want to replace the current citizenry with third-worlders. Your obsessive anti-Israelism is a distraction that only helps the American Left screw the rest of us.

  108. Your comments on speed traps reminded me of why Michael Brown was shot. His momma failed to teach him the ‘magic word’.

    I had been teaching a three day class (data base stuff) in Reno. I had had to stand on my aching feet all that time so I was full of dope (hydrocodone). I was a little sleepy that afternoon as I drove down the Donner pass back to the Bay Area.

    I saw (to my horror) that I was going 110 mph – when I woke up. I had been barreling down the mountain sound asleep. I braked hard and got down to 95 mph when the Highway Patrol came up behind me.

    I was nervous because my car registration was also expired. But I remembered the ‘magic word’ – “Sir”. I think I used the full Paris Island Boot Camp version – as in “Sir, yes sir”. I groveled shamelessly.

    And I was let off with just a warning.

    Michael Brown would be alive today if when the cop told him to get out of the middle of the street he had simply said – “Yes, sir”.

  109. @Jefferson
    "African-Americans are being replaced in New York City by Africans and Caribbean blacks."

    How is that any better ? Do African and Caribbean Blacks commit less crime per capita than American Blacks ? I doubt it.

    I have never heard anybody refer to Jamaicans for example as model minorities. The late rapper Biggie Smalls for example was a drug dealer from the projects and he was of Jamaican descent.

    Replies: @David R. Merridale, @Ed

    Actually foreign blacks and their children do commit lower levels of crime than American blacks.

    http://home.uchicago.edu/~arauh/Rauh2013b.pdf

    Page 8 Section 3.3

    Evidently their incarceration rates are similar to Whites. I’m sure the number will rise as some assimilate into African-American culture, although I know first hand that isn’t occuring as rapidly as people might think especially for Africans.

    • Replies: @Hard Line Realist
    @Ed

    That is most likely because of range restriction.

    Also, what percentage are East African vs West African and what are the rates for Mogadishu on the Mississippi?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

  110. @Art Deco
    @Rusty Shackleford

    They’ll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses.

    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not 'the underclass'.

    Replies: @Bill, @Rusty Shackleford

    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not ‘the underclass’.

    For those interested in checking:

    http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/community_facts.xhtml

    Art Deco is right that it is working class. Boy is it depressing to consider what working class means in contemporary America, though. Half of the families in Ferguson are female headed. A fifth are on food stamps.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bill

    1. About 30% of the population have incomes which render them eligible for SNAP cards. The clientele reaches way into the wage earning population.

    2. The majority of 1st born children in this country are bastards (though about 30% of these are legitimated through post-partum marriage). That's just how business is done in and among much of the population. Young men are unwilling to keep their pants zipped, young women set paternity traps or are addled by magical thinking, and neither are willing to conduct themselves in ways which would make them appealing to hold on to.

  111. @David R. Merridale
    @TWS

    You cannot fix the world. Our society has created too many dirtbags and the underclass simply won’t follow normal values but you can make your town safe and clean.

    People can change to a degree if the environment is right. A parole-officer friend of mine says a lot of his cases straighten out in their mid-thirties, partly, he figures, because their testosterone levels are lower, but largely because they realize they're not tough enough for prison any more. I wonder how many of your hillbilly troublemakers moved out of town and how many just stopped making trouble.

    Replies: @TWS

    People can change to a degree if the environment is right. A parole-officer friend of mine says a lot of his cases straighten out in their mid-thirties, partly, he figures, because their testosterone levels are lower, but largely because they realize they’re not tough enough for prison any more. I wonder how many of your hillbilly troublemakers moved out of town and how many just stopped making trouble.

    Your parole officer friend is right. Test falls, prison is ‘no country for old men’ and they are either permanently locked up or too worn down to pull the impulsive crap that got them in jail in the first place. Most criminals are in jail for poor impulse control issues you’ve either learned, are dead, or in some sort of permanent incarceration at some point.

    Most of the hillbillies left heck all that did not own their home/trailer left. Most of those who owned their own places were bought off at a huge profit by the developers who discovered a quaint, safe town to raise kids in an easy commute of several larger cities. Those few that stayed most cleaned up their acts or moved a few miles down the road and stayed out of town.

    The town became so popular that a huge housing development was built inside the 100 year flood zone. All high end homes all single family dwellings. Everyone from the inspectors to the planners, to the contractors knows those homes are going to get flooded but they just don’t care because there is so much money to be made. The town really is a gem now and I wouldn’t mind living there but I could never afford it.

  112. As an Israeli sabra told me over a few beers, “you got to kill all your natives, why can’t we kill ours?”

    Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop. Americans did not kill all their natives, or even kill most of them. The North American continent did not have many natives to begin with.

    If that same bloodthirsty Israeli sabra moves to the US, she’ll join the ADL is demanding the US open its borders to anyone who wants to come here.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Greenstalk

    "Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop.

    I would guess a fair number have fathers or uncles who held rank of one form or another in the former Soviet Union or the Eastern bloc, which would explain a lot of that.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @anon

    , @anon
    @Greenstalk

    And Israel didn't kill very many Arabs either. The total number of casualties on both the Jewish and Arab (including Lebanese, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, etc.) sides, including combatants, since 1947 is approximately 67,000 (51,000 between 1950-2007, add in 11,000 in the Independence War, and whatever else has happened in the last seven years.) It's just not a terribly bloody conflict.

    , @Hard Line Realist
    @Greenstalk


    Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop. Americans did not kill all their natives, or even kill most of them. The North American continent did not have many natives to begin with.
     
    There are those who would dispute that claim:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

    2.1M is not what I would call not many. (And that is the low estimate.)
  113. @Ed
    @Jefferson

    Actually foreign blacks and their children do commit lower levels of crime than American blacks.


    http://home.uchicago.edu/~arauh/Rauh2013b.pdf

    Page 8 Section 3.3

    Evidently their incarceration rates are similar to Whites. I'm sure the number will rise as some assimilate into African-American culture, although I know first hand that isn't occuring as rapidly as people might think especially for Africans.

    Replies: @Hard Line Realist

    That is most likely because of range restriction.

    Also, what percentage are East African vs West African and what are the rates for Mogadishu on the Mississippi?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Hard Line Realist

    Well, it was likely range restriction at both ends.

    1. Those slaves who were brought to the US were not the smartest and least troublesome bunch, since most of them were sold into slavery by their own people.

    2. Those who are coming to the US now are the cream of the crop, perhaps except for those in Mogadishu on the Mississippi.

  114. This is what the Civil Rights movement was about. “Good” blacks not wanting to be treated like, and to be around, the bottom 30% of blacks.

  115. @Greenstalk
    As an Israeli sabra told me over a few beers, “you got to kill all your natives, why can’t we kill ours?”

    Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop. Americans did not kill all their natives, or even kill most of them. The North American continent did not have many natives to begin with.

    If that same bloodthirsty Israeli sabra moves to the US, she'll join the ADL is demanding the US open its borders to anyone who wants to come here.

    Replies: @HA, @anon, @Hard Line Realist

    “Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop.

    I would guess a fair number have fathers or uncles who held rank of one form or another in the former Soviet Union or the Eastern bloc, which would explain a lot of that.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HA

    About 20% of Israel's Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews. In Soviet Russia, as in other East Bloc countries, Communist Party membership generally extended to about 1/6th of the adult population. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I'd wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.

    Replies: @anon, @HA, @syonredux

    , @anon
    @HA

    "I would guess a fair number have fathers or uncles who held rank of one form or another in the former Soviet Union or the Eastern bloc, which would explain a lot of that."

    Everybody in the USSR was indoctrinated in Marxist thought as kids, regardless of anything else.

    Replies: @HA

  116. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Greenstalk
    As an Israeli sabra told me over a few beers, “you got to kill all your natives, why can’t we kill ours?”

    Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop. Americans did not kill all their natives, or even kill most of them. The North American continent did not have many natives to begin with.

    If that same bloodthirsty Israeli sabra moves to the US, she'll join the ADL is demanding the US open its borders to anyone who wants to come here.

    Replies: @HA, @anon, @Hard Line Realist

    And Israel didn’t kill very many Arabs either. The total number of casualties on both the Jewish and Arab (including Lebanese, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, etc.) sides, including combatants, since 1947 is approximately 67,000 (51,000 between 1950-2007, add in 11,000 in the Independence War, and whatever else has happened in the last seven years.) It’s just not a terribly bloody conflict.

  117. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.
     
    Right... No, I think not.

    Many parts of Appalachia have appalling poverty, often with much, much lower median incomes than many black urban ghettos. Talk about areas "abandoned" and forgotten by those with means.

    Yet most of Appalachia has but a fraction of the per capita violent crimes the black urban ghettos have. Indeed violent crime (murder, rape, assault) rates are considerably below the national average in Appalachia (murder was about half the national average the last time I checked, prompted by something I read in "The National Review"). What crimes exist are usually petty thefts, meth production/sales (though much of meth production has been chased across our southern border), and entitlement fraud.

    Frankly, statistically speaking, I am much safer from dangerous crime with poor Appalachian whites than I am with the considerably richer black urban populations.

    With poor rural whites, homes may be grimy and there may be ignorance and drug addiction as well as some petty crimes. But there is infrequently physical danger. With poor urban blacks, there is overwhelmingly greater danger of murder, assault, robbery, and rape (for women). And with the latter that danger is magnified when one is white or Asian.

    Replies: @HA, @Hacienda

    “Talk about areas “abandoned” and forgotten by those with means.”

    Liberals love to watch “Justified”. They can indulge their gangsta Schadenfreude without watching too many black faces (of course, there’s gonna be a token heroic black female cop or two).

    It’s far more entertaining than their well-thumbed copies of What’s the Matter with Kansas? and not nearly as depressing as the faces in Let Us Now Praise Famous Men.

    And it’s all based on an Elmore Leonard novel — that is about as SWPL as can be. So every couple of decades, the liberal establishment does indeed shed a few tears about Appalachia, and the cruel right-wing coal barons and Republicans and DEA agents that are supposedly responsible for keeping the area poor and backwards.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @HA


    Liberals love to watch “Justified”. They can indulge their gangsta Schadenfreude without watching too many black faces (of course, there’s gonna be a token heroic black female cop or two).
     
    You are going to have to explain the term "gangsta Schadenfreude" to me. What are you trying to say here? To borrow Princess Bride, I do no think Schadenfreude means what you think it means.

    I don't care who else watches what show. If I like it, I watch it. I understand "Parks & Rec" is a very popular leftie show, but I watched a few episodes, because a couple of acquaintances told me that I was the Yellow "Ron" (they were wrong - while I like killing and eating animals and all things meat, I am not a libertarian). Same thing with "Game of Thrones." I understand it's watched by legions of obsessive fans who dissect every little thing about it. That in no way detracts from *my* enjoyment.

    I enjoy "Justified" and "Longmire," because, for once (and twice), there are cop shows about somewhere other than NYC/LA/Seattle/Chicago.

    I don't posture, intellectually or ideologically, with my TV shows.
  118. @Greenstalk
    As an Israeli sabra told me over a few beers, “you got to kill all your natives, why can’t we kill ours?”

    Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop. Americans did not kill all their natives, or even kill most of them. The North American continent did not have many natives to begin with.

    If that same bloodthirsty Israeli sabra moves to the US, she'll join the ADL is demanding the US open its borders to anyone who wants to come here.

    Replies: @HA, @anon, @Hard Line Realist

    Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop. Americans did not kill all their natives, or even kill most of them. The North American continent did not have many natives to begin with.

    There are those who would dispute that claim:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

    2.1M is not what I would call not many. (And that is the low estimate.)

  119. “Really? How can one tell? Their donations to African resettlement efforts in Israel? Their public pronouncements on the immorality of desert concentration camps? Their vocal support for African amnesty in Israel?

    I know, I know, they tell you in all the private conversations you have with them. I must admit, I have looked at all the non-binding Senate Resolutions regarding Israel and haven’t seen a one that insists on African amnesty in Israel. But perhaps the AJC, the ADL, the Conference of Presidents of Jewish Organizations, or AIPAC have come out with a position paper that I have missed. Do share with us.”

    Words are cheap and all we get are words from these people. Remember that after the anti-black riots in the Israel, the NYT ran an op-ed from a rabbi who made a pro forma condemnation of violence but concluded that the rioters were right and that their demand for deportation of non-Jewish immigrants should be met.

    I hope Steve will address the recent incident in which Ted Cruz attacked Middle Eastern Christians who are being genocided for not agreeing that Israel is their best friend. This is the start of one of the rifts that will tear American conservatism apart in the coming years. Many younger Christians want no part of Christian Zionism and are disgusted by the failure of baby boomer and older evangelicals to defend Christians in the Middle East. Everyone knows it’s all about Israel. I think a lot of Steve’s readers would be shocked if they know how many younger evangelicals are turning against the Israel firsters.

  120. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Hard Line Realist
    @Ed

    That is most likely because of range restriction.

    Also, what percentage are East African vs West African and what are the rates for Mogadishu on the Mississippi?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Well, it was likely range restriction at both ends.

    1. Those slaves who were brought to the US were not the smartest and least troublesome bunch, since most of them were sold into slavery by their own people.

    2. Those who are coming to the US now are the cream of the crop, perhaps except for those in Mogadishu on the Mississippi.

  121. I see the agitation, unrest and provocative demonstrations are continuing. Apparently there’s numbers of people in the US who are ready travel to any hotspot so that they can participate and help stir things up. Do any of those demonstrators in Ferguson work? How do they support themselves? They seem to have all the free time in the world to engage in all this street action.

    Children of the wealthy have traditionally formed the backbone of the full-time agitating commie class.

    But of course! As an Israeli sabra told me over a few beers, “you got to kill all your natives, why can’t we kill ours?”

    And I had to admit he made a wonderful point. Why shouldn’t Jews kill all their natives?

    1 Because Jews are all on Team Amerind. Just ask any Jewish professor, he’ll tell you how wrong the colonization of America was. Hell, ask an Israeli professor and you’ll probably still get the same answer.

    2 Because the colonization of America was done in the Bad Old Days, when it was okay to do that kind of thing, and the colonization of Israel is being done in the Age of Enlightenment, when we have known for a long time that it’s Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

    3 Because Jews are supposed to be The Good Guys. The Holocaust means Jews are The World’s Greatest Victims. So, they should know better than to go all Nazi on the Palestinians.

    Why should we let Jews get away with something they’ve been attacking with all their strength (for the better part of a century) when we do it? Heck, we can’t even contemplate doing what Jews are carrying out, largely because Jews have been so successful at their liberal indoctrination of whites.

    Why should we stay mum on Jews having what they have in Israel when Jews form the vanguard of the movement denying whites the same things for themselves?

    If that same bloodthirsty Israeli sabra moves to the US, she’ll join the ADL is demanding the US open its borders to anyone who wants to come here.

    Bingo. Jews go with tribe, not principle. I think this was even explicitly stated in a season 2 episode of The Americans.

    Jews demand whites act on (Jewish-approved) principles, while Jews act on tribalism.

    Put another way: Jews have their Reich; why can’t whites have ours?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Svigor

    "Just ask any Jewish professor, he’ll tell you how wrong the colonization of America was."

    Actually, the leading opponent of the genocide theory regarding American Indians is a Jew--Guenter Lewy. Quit lying.

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/were-american-indians-the-victims-of-genocide/

    Replies: @fnn

  122. @Priss Factor
    http://www.vox.com/2014/9/9/5975653/with-genetic-testing-i-gave-my-parents-the-gift-of-divorce-23andme

    Replies: @International Jew

    Wow, what a story! But that guy’s dad was a real dumbass, to consent to getting tested. He could have said, “I don’t want to learn about my disease risks, I’d rather be a fatalist about that.”

  123. @Bill
    @Art Deco


    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not ‘the underclass’.
     
    For those interested in checking:

    http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/community_facts.xhtml

    Art Deco is right that it is working class. Boy is it depressing to consider what working class means in contemporary America, though. Half of the families in Ferguson are female headed. A fifth are on food stamps.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    1. About 30% of the population have incomes which render them eligible for SNAP cards. The clientele reaches way into the wage earning population.

    2. The majority of 1st born children in this country are bastards (though about 30% of these are legitimated through post-partum marriage). That’s just how business is done in and among much of the population. Young men are unwilling to keep their pants zipped, young women set paternity traps or are addled by magical thinking, and neither are willing to conduct themselves in ways which would make them appealing to hold on to.

  124. @HA
    @Greenstalk

    "Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop.

    I would guess a fair number have fathers or uncles who held rank of one form or another in the former Soviet Union or the Eastern bloc, which would explain a lot of that.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @anon

    About 20% of Israel’s Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews. In Soviet Russia, as in other East Bloc countries, Communist Party membership generally extended to about 1/6th of the adult population. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I’d wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Art Deco

    Well, it's been 20+ years since the bulk of Soviet Jewry immigrated to Israel. In that time, many older people, as older people tend to do, have passed on. They were more likely to be Communist Party members than people who were kids, teenagers or young adults in the late 1980s, or not even born. So today, the number of former CPSU members in Israel is probably fairly low, but it was probably higher in the nineties.

    Jewish membership in the CPSU was disproportionate to the population because Jews were so much smarter than the average Soviet citizen that they were disproportionately represented in middle-management (but quite rare at the higher rungs of power). Middle-managers were generally members of the CPSU.

    "In 1976, Jews formed 1.9 percent of the nationwide membership (including candidate members), more than 294,000 out of 15.6 million, making them the sixth-largest ethnic group after the three principal Slavic peoples (the Russians, Ukrainians, and Belorussians), the Uzbeks, and the Tatars. Even in this period—the years of the first major emigration wave, when Jews were widely looked upon as potential traitors—the absolute number of Jews in the party rose. The fact that their percentage exceeded that of the overall urban population should probably be attributed to their traditionally high proportion of party members, their high educational and professional level, and their elderly age structure."

    "Extrapolation leads to the conclusion that Jews remained, into the 1960s at least, the most party-saturated nationality in the Soviet Union, and in terms of absolute numbers, the largest non-Slavic group of Communists, with the possible exception of the Tatars. At the same time, the party saturation of the Soviet Jewish community fell from about 300 percent of the national average in 1940 to between 140 and 180 percent in 1965. However, once the Jewish emigration movement gained momentum, and the Jewish population continued to drop as a result of both emigration and negative natural growth, the percentage of Jewish Communists among all party members nationwide fell progressively, although in certain areas their proportion in the Jewish community actually grew."

    http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union

    Replies: @Son of Sambo

    , @HA
    @Art Deco

    "About 20% of Israel’s Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews."

    Which is a sizable portion to begin with, and does not include those from the Eastern Bloc. Many in both camps were understandably more well-disposed to, and likely to have been in, Communist and Partisan military formations before and during the WWII years, and presumably in governmental circles afterwards. Moreover, even ordinary citizens from that part of the world would have been more likely to absorb Marxist views on American/Indian relations than those from some less tendentious source, and to retain such views even after they realized that Marxism was nonsense, given that their connection is not immediately obvious.

    My guess is that when it comes to Indians, the typical Eastern European -- and this extends to Israelis -- took the rest of his opinions from some combination of Karl May and James Fenmore Cooper, neither of which were irreconcilable with the Marxist agit-prop view of things. Even West Germans who are far more fond of Karl May than Karl Marx are likely to have views on American Indian consistent with the ones attributed to the above Israeli.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    About 20% of Israel’s Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews. In Soviet Russia, as in other East Bloc countries, Communist Party membership generally extended to about 1/6th of the adult population. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I’d wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.
     
    The impression that I have is that Jewish over-representation in the CP only began to decline in the wake of the Great Purge of 1937-38 (e.g., the percentage of Jewish* NKVD officers was much lower after 1938). The real turn for the worse for Jews in the USSR, however, occurred after Golda Meir's visit to the Soviet Union as Minister Plenipotentiary. Stalin was none to pleased by the hysterical reaction of the Soviet Union's Jewish population to an official visitor from the newly established Jewish state.


    *

    “About 40 percent of high-ranking NKVD officers had Jewish nationality recorded in their identity documents,” writes Yale University professor Timothy Snyder in Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin, “as did more than half of the NKVD generals. . . . The Great Terror could be, and by many would be, blamed on the Jews.”

    “At the time when the NKVD was killing members of national minorities, most of its leading officers were themselves members of national minorities…. In carrying out these ethnic massacres, which of course they had to if they wished to preserve their positions and their lives, they comprised an ethic of internationalism, which must have been important to some of them. Then they were killed anyway . . . and usually replaced by Russians.” —Timothy Snyder
     
    http://jewishcurrents.org/december-20-the-secret-police-8412

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  125. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I’d wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.

    Sure, Jews suddenly became a non-elite population. At least, for the purposes of this conversation.

  126. Hey Steve,

    You must stop the a__hole who derails threads by always bringing up the topic of Israel or jews.

  127. The First Law of iSteve: every conversation shall eventually degenerate to “it’s the Jews.”

    Sigh…

  128. “Though they acknowledge they would lose money by selling their current homes, Clanton and Twiggs are contemplating moving further north. …”

    If they can’t be part of the solution, they sure can be the problem.

  129. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @HA

    About 20% of Israel's Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews. In Soviet Russia, as in other East Bloc countries, Communist Party membership generally extended to about 1/6th of the adult population. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I'd wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.

    Replies: @anon, @HA, @syonredux

    Well, it’s been 20+ years since the bulk of Soviet Jewry immigrated to Israel. In that time, many older people, as older people tend to do, have passed on. They were more likely to be Communist Party members than people who were kids, teenagers or young adults in the late 1980s, or not even born. So today, the number of former CPSU members in Israel is probably fairly low, but it was probably higher in the nineties.

    Jewish membership in the CPSU was disproportionate to the population because Jews were so much smarter than the average Soviet citizen that they were disproportionately represented in middle-management (but quite rare at the higher rungs of power). Middle-managers were generally members of the CPSU.

    “In 1976, Jews formed 1.9 percent of the nationwide membership (including candidate members), more than 294,000 out of 15.6 million, making them the sixth-largest ethnic group after the three principal Slavic peoples (the Russians, Ukrainians, and Belorussians), the Uzbeks, and the Tatars. Even in this period—the years of the first major emigration wave, when Jews were widely looked upon as potential traitors—the absolute number of Jews in the party rose. The fact that their percentage exceeded that of the overall urban population should probably be attributed to their traditionally high proportion of party members, their high educational and professional level, and their elderly age structure.”

    “Extrapolation leads to the conclusion that Jews remained, into the 1960s at least, the most party-saturated nationality in the Soviet Union, and in terms of absolute numbers, the largest non-Slavic group of Communists, with the possible exception of the Tatars. At the same time, the party saturation of the Soviet Jewish community fell from about 300 percent of the national average in 1940 to between 140 and 180 percent in 1965. However, once the Jewish emigration movement gained momentum, and the Jewish population continued to drop as a result of both emigration and negative natural growth, the percentage of Jewish Communists among all party members nationwide fell progressively, although in certain areas their proportion in the Jewish community actually grew.”

    http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union

    • Replies: @Son of Sambo
    @anon

    Jews joined the CPSU because they were disproportionate in middle management. Thank you, you soulless sperg robot, for that fascinating chunk of useless and dubious historical information.

  130. @HA
    @Greenstalk

    "Sounds like Israeli sabras are indoctrinated in Marxist agit-prop.

    I would guess a fair number have fathers or uncles who held rank of one form or another in the former Soviet Union or the Eastern bloc, which would explain a lot of that.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @anon

    “I would guess a fair number have fathers or uncles who held rank of one form or another in the former Soviet Union or the Eastern bloc, which would explain a lot of that.”

    Everybody in the USSR was indoctrinated in Marxist thought as kids, regardless of anything else.

    • Replies: @HA
    @anon

    "Everybody in the USSR was indoctrinated in Marxist thought as kids, regardless of anything else."

    Yes, a fair point. And as I noted, even the non-Marxist takes on the Indians would have meshed pretty well with the agit-prop they heard in school and elsewhere.

    I would guess any contrarian views would have been more likely to come from Hollywood Westerns than from actual non-polemical history texts, and I don't think anyone regarded those as presenting a more accurate portrayal of Indians than May and Fenmore Cooper.

    That probably remains true to this day.

  131. @Svigor

    I see the agitation, unrest and provocative demonstrations are continuing. Apparently there’s numbers of people in the US who are ready travel to any hotspot so that they can participate and help stir things up. Do any of those demonstrators in Ferguson work? How do they support themselves? They seem to have all the free time in the world to engage in all this street action.
     
    Children of the wealthy have traditionally formed the backbone of the full-time agitating commie class.

    But of course! As an Israeli sabra told me over a few beers, “you got to kill all your natives, why can’t we kill ours?”

    And I had to admit he made a wonderful point. Why shouldn’t Jews kill all their natives?
     

    1 Because Jews are all on Team Amerind. Just ask any Jewish professor, he'll tell you how wrong the colonization of America was. Hell, ask an Israeli professor and you'll probably still get the same answer.

    2 Because the colonization of America was done in the Bad Old Days, when it was okay to do that kind of thing, and the colonization of Israel is being done in the Age of Enlightenment, when we have known for a long time that it's Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

    3 Because Jews are supposed to be The Good Guys. The Holocaust means Jews are The World's Greatest Victims. So, they should know better than to go all Nazi on the Palestinians.

    Why should we let Jews get away with something they've been attacking with all their strength (for the better part of a century) when we do it? Heck, we can't even contemplate doing what Jews are carrying out, largely because Jews have been so successful at their liberal indoctrination of whites.

    Why should we stay mum on Jews having what they have in Israel when Jews form the vanguard of the movement denying whites the same things for themselves?


    If that same bloodthirsty Israeli sabra moves to the US, she’ll join the ADL is demanding the US open its borders to anyone who wants to come here.
     
    Bingo. Jews go with tribe, not principle. I think this was even explicitly stated in a season 2 episode of The Americans.

    Jews demand whites act on (Jewish-approved) principles, while Jews act on tribalism.

    Put another way: Jews have their Reich; why can't whites have ours?

    Replies: @anon

    “Just ask any Jewish professor, he’ll tell you how wrong the colonization of America was.”

    Actually, the leading opponent of the genocide theory regarding American Indians is a Jew–Guenter Lewy. Quit lying.

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/were-american-indians-the-victims-of-genocide/

    • Replies: @fnn
    @anon

    C'mon, everyone knows that neocons like Lewy only make up only a tiny minority of Jewish intellectuals/professors. And, if we looked into it, we would probably find that it was mainly leftist Jewish intellectuals who turned the theory of white genocide of the Amerinds into conventional wisdom.

  132. @Art Deco
    @HA

    About 20% of Israel's Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews. In Soviet Russia, as in other East Bloc countries, Communist Party membership generally extended to about 1/6th of the adult population. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I'd wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.

    Replies: @anon, @HA, @syonredux

    “About 20% of Israel’s Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews.”

    Which is a sizable portion to begin with, and does not include those from the Eastern Bloc. Many in both camps were understandably more well-disposed to, and likely to have been in, Communist and Partisan military formations before and during the WWII years, and presumably in governmental circles afterwards. Moreover, even ordinary citizens from that part of the world would have been more likely to absorb Marxist views on American/Indian relations than those from some less tendentious source, and to retain such views even after they realized that Marxism was nonsense, given that their connection is not immediately obvious.

    My guess is that when it comes to Indians, the typical Eastern European — and this extends to Israelis — took the rest of his opinions from some combination of Karl May and James Fenmore Cooper, neither of which were irreconcilable with the Marxist agit-prop view of things. Even West Germans who are far more fond of Karl May than Karl Marx are likely to have views on American Indian consistent with the ones attributed to the above Israeli.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HA

    Which is a sizable portion to begin with, and does not include those from the Eastern Bloc.

    The Jews in the remainder of Eastern Europe were either killed during the war or evacuated shortly thereafter. The Jewish population of Poland went from a seven digit number to a four digit number.

  133. Two Brooklyn women tired of ‘white people moving into the area’ force tenants out at gunpoint, then squat in apartment: police

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/bk-women-force-tenants-gunpoint-squat-apartment-cops-article-1.1931834

  134. @HA
    @Art Deco

    "About 20% of Israel’s Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews."

    Which is a sizable portion to begin with, and does not include those from the Eastern Bloc. Many in both camps were understandably more well-disposed to, and likely to have been in, Communist and Partisan military formations before and during the WWII years, and presumably in governmental circles afterwards. Moreover, even ordinary citizens from that part of the world would have been more likely to absorb Marxist views on American/Indian relations than those from some less tendentious source, and to retain such views even after they realized that Marxism was nonsense, given that their connection is not immediately obvious.

    My guess is that when it comes to Indians, the typical Eastern European -- and this extends to Israelis -- took the rest of his opinions from some combination of Karl May and James Fenmore Cooper, neither of which were irreconcilable with the Marxist agit-prop view of things. Even West Germans who are far more fond of Karl May than Karl Marx are likely to have views on American Indian consistent with the ones attributed to the above Israeli.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Which is a sizable portion to begin with, and does not include those from the Eastern Bloc.

    The Jews in the remainder of Eastern Europe were either killed during the war or evacuated shortly thereafter. The Jewish population of Poland went from a seven digit number to a four digit number.

  135. “The Jews in the remainder of Eastern Europe were either killed during the war or evacuated shortly thereafter. The Jewish population of Poland went from a seven digit number to a four digit number.”

    Yes, and part of that seven digit number (i.e. part of the portion that survived), and even a chunk of the four digit number and their descendants, would eventually wind up in Palestine/Israel.

    Somewhere along the way, the standard Cold War retort of “what about the terrible things you do to your Negroes?” whenever a Westerner remarked on the poor quality of life in the Soviet bloc would be transformed into “what about how you murdered all the Indians?” whenever Israel is discussed long enough. Or so it seems to me. It is as if they are all corollaries of Godwin’s law.

    I wonder if the same tactic is common in Australia, with Aborigines substituted for Indians?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @HA

    The Jews who went from Poland and other places in non-Soviet Eastern Europe to Israel in the 40s did not spend much time under communist rule, which only began in Eastern Europe after World War II. There was no "Eastern block" until after World War II. Jews were not allowed to immigrate from the Soviet Union to Israel until the 80s. The Jews who went to Israel from the Soviet Union were not part of a favored elite; if they were, they would not have been interested in going to Israel.

    The idea that white settlers committed genocide against native North Americans is conventional wisdom all over the entire world and among younger Americans. There is no need to explain Israelis holding it by reference to a mythical Soviet influence in Israel. There is much leftwing influence in Israel, but that is because it was founded by (non-Soviet) leftists, and most of its elite is still ideologically leftwing.

  136. @Art Deco
    @HA

    About 20% of Israel's Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews. In Soviet Russia, as in other East Bloc countries, Communist Party membership generally extended to about 1/6th of the adult population. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I'd wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.

    Replies: @anon, @HA, @syonredux

    About 20% of Israel’s Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews. In Soviet Russia, as in other East Bloc countries, Communist Party membership generally extended to about 1/6th of the adult population. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I’d wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.

    The impression that I have is that Jewish over-representation in the CP only began to decline in the wake of the Great Purge of 1937-38 (e.g., the percentage of Jewish* NKVD officers was much lower after 1938). The real turn for the worse for Jews in the USSR, however, occurred after Golda Meir’s visit to the Soviet Union as Minister Plenipotentiary. Stalin was none to pleased by the hysterical reaction of the Soviet Union’s Jewish population to an official visitor from the newly established Jewish state.

    *

    “About 40 percent of high-ranking NKVD officers had Jewish nationality recorded in their identity documents,” writes Yale University professor Timothy Snyder in Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin, “as did more than half of the NKVD generals. . . . The Great Terror could be, and by many would be, blamed on the Jews.”

    “At the time when the NKVD was killing members of national minorities, most of its leading officers were themselves members of national minorities…. In carrying out these ethnic massacres, which of course they had to if they wished to preserve their positions and their lives, they comprised an ethic of internationalism, which must have been important to some of them. Then they were killed anyway . . . and usually replaced by Russians.” —Timothy Snyder

    http://jewishcurrents.org/december-20-the-secret-police-8412

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @syonredux

    According to Berkeley history professor Yuri Slezkine's award-winning book The Jewish Century, it was really only when Golda Meir visited Moscow in 1947 or 1948 and Stalin saw how excited Jewish CP members were over Zionism that Stalin became anti-Semitic.

  137. @anon
    @HA

    "I would guess a fair number have fathers or uncles who held rank of one form or another in the former Soviet Union or the Eastern bloc, which would explain a lot of that."

    Everybody in the USSR was indoctrinated in Marxist thought as kids, regardless of anything else.

    Replies: @HA

    “Everybody in the USSR was indoctrinated in Marxist thought as kids, regardless of anything else.”

    Yes, a fair point. And as I noted, even the non-Marxist takes on the Indians would have meshed pretty well with the agit-prop they heard in school and elsewhere.

    I would guess any contrarian views would have been more likely to come from Hollywood Westerns than from actual non-polemical history texts, and I don’t think anyone regarded those as presenting a more accurate portrayal of Indians than May and Fenmore Cooper.

    That probably remains true to this day.

  138. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Underclass whites where I live will give you a lot of the same problems. One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.
     
    Right... No, I think not.

    Many parts of Appalachia have appalling poverty, often with much, much lower median incomes than many black urban ghettos. Talk about areas "abandoned" and forgotten by those with means.

    Yet most of Appalachia has but a fraction of the per capita violent crimes the black urban ghettos have. Indeed violent crime (murder, rape, assault) rates are considerably below the national average in Appalachia (murder was about half the national average the last time I checked, prompted by something I read in "The National Review"). What crimes exist are usually petty thefts, meth production/sales (though much of meth production has been chased across our southern border), and entitlement fraud.

    Frankly, statistically speaking, I am much safer from dangerous crime with poor Appalachian whites than I am with the considerably richer black urban populations.

    With poor rural whites, homes may be grimy and there may be ignorance and drug addiction as well as some petty crimes. But there is infrequently physical danger. With poor urban blacks, there is overwhelmingly greater danger of murder, assault, robbery, and rape (for women). And with the latter that danger is magnified when one is white or Asian.

    Replies: @HA, @Hacienda

    LOL. Appalachia whites, too? Pot, meth, ho-downs, hillbillies, coal-miners, and Loretta Lynn.

    I’ll take Indiana over Kentucky. Pot, flatland, basketball, corn, Michael Jackson, the Indy 500, and tornadoes.

    Jim Nabors was Alabama/Hollywood. Not a true Hoosier. But, he could work that song, which probably means a lot more aa a marketing ploy. No one in Indiana gives a sh+t about that song.

    Correct on poor whites. 10-20x less violent than urban blacks.

    • Replies: @Poetry N Motion
    @Hacienda

    You do realize that those coal miners provide the electricity that you use to publish with don't you?

    You should probably kiss their ring finger the next time you see one.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    , @Twinkie
    @Hacienda


    I’ll take Indiana over Kentucky. Pot, flatland, basketball, corn, Michael Jackson, the Indy 500, and tornadoes.
     
    I must say, I inherited anti-Indiana prejudice of my upper Midwestern in-laws. They think folks form Indiana are a bit "off."

    Corn is better farther west.

    Replies: @Hacienda

  139. @FWIW
    The Southfield article was fascinating. In inner city neighborhoods, blacks are victimizing other blacks. The victims tend to be the exact people most likely to adopt 'white' lifestyles. Even the Section 8 phenomenon impacts blacks more than any other race.

    In Chicago, Section 8 is incredibly difficult to get. They have lotteries every few years to get on the waiting list. I was surprised that the CHA was able to effectively disband without more protest. A large number of the housing units have become senior citizen housing.

    Meanwhile, Nick Kristof, who lives in Scarsdale is telling other whites that they just 'don't get it'. Nick needs a sabbatical in Hyde Park, where he would begin to get it. It is a fortress. Zero through streets. University police on every block, surrounded by city police around the next blocks. And large numbers of friend, helpful black guards to eliminate the racial aspects of strongly discouraging any local black youth from hanging out. The guards always walk up and offer directions. And the only college dorms I have ever seen with two levels of rigorously enforced security. The University is pushing South into semi abandoned neighborhoods.

    Scarsdale, naturally, doesn't need a heavy presence of security lightly camouflaged to ensure social conformity to SWPW norms.

    Replies: @map

    All University of Chicago police are either Chicago cops or State cops who are moonlighting. They dress like swat officers.

    They are not rent-a-cops. Don’t mess with them.

    At one time Uchicago had the world’s largest private police force after the Vatican.

  140. @charlie
    Well, there may be a nugget here but not a lode.

    At least in Washington, the number of "media elites" who actually own houses in the District is not large. In fact I am not sure what a "media elite" is. Wolf Blitzer? Chuck Todd?

    And again, in DC proper, gentrification works with privately owned houses, not Section 8. Very little Section 8 projects have been closed. There was a good idea a few years ago to tear them down, replace them with something newer, and add a low-income component there. There is an outflow, but the classic case is grandma sells her house that 15 family members live in, and the large townhouse gets turned into a condo.

    I'd agree that Section 8 in DC tends not to be around the whiter parts of the city.


    In terms of traffic violations to drive people out, big thing on that recently.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/withering-inspector-general-report-criticizes-dc-parking-and-traffic-ticketing/2014/09/08/da6ae324-3781-11e4-8601-97ba88884ffd_story.html


    Again, no numbers on DC residents but the perception is traffic cameras are aimed at commuters from Maryland.


    So I'd say this is just more kvetching about Race,by which I mean Blacks, the Great and Important Topic In America for the second half of the 20th century and Maybe the first part of the 21st century. I have no doubt that in the rest of the 21st century the Great Original Crime of the American People will return to stealing the land for the native Hispanic inhabitants.

    Contrast to Brazil:

    http://www.cfr.org/elections/marinas-post-racial-brazil/p33417

    Replies: @viking

    i think you dont understand how sect 8 works the govt gives a welfare case $1600 [or more depending on dependents] voucher which they can use on any apartment the landlord is willing to accept it. Its usually a bit above market in slum areas so some landlords like the security of a government payee however most find the upkeep not worthwhile [you wouldn’t believe the stories] tenants sometimes supplement the voucher out of local welfare as well. As a neighborhood becomes reclaimed by whites who improve the area not simply by their presence but by their efforts at opening better businesses, pressuring police, reorganizing schools, organizing watch groups and renovating buildings, rents begin to rise first slowly then quickly. slumlords decide rents are higher than section 8 and begin renovating vacated apartments and renting them to the new class. cities fight this by rent stabilization and rules that prohibit the keeping of apts vacant until enough can be renovated and rented at once to new tenants who dont want to be the first white in a sect 8 building.also they require developers to include a percentage of low income apts in luxury developments. no one actually explains why gentrifying rehabilitating a neighborhood is wrong or understands these were once white neighborhoods destroyed decades ago by blacks and Hispanics.

  141. @Hard Line Realist

    underclass blacks are a giant hot potato that practically every municipality wants to hand off to somebody else.
     
    However, because of the reservoir of alleles for bad behavior (ie, regression to the mean), middle class blacks are busy making more of the undertow.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @viking

    Aye and there’s the rub. This is the really depressing and existential threat of multi culturalism even the Dark Enlightenment cant deal with this in their techno futurist utopia cities of 160 IQ cosmopolitans what of their children and grandchilden

  142. @Art Deco
    the two gentrifying media capitals have been successfully driving out American-born blacks

    With regard to New York, this statement is innocent of an examination of actual demographic statistics, which show nothing but some recent and fairly minor flux. That aside, to where are these troublesome blacks being deported? You would be hard put to find suburbs of any dimension around New York suffering secular increases in crime and some of the most intensely black-dominated areas (e.g. East Orange) have had great improvements in public order. As for Washington, who's supposed to have run this gentrification campaign, Marion Barry (who despised law enforcement and gutted the police force)? The black population in DC has been declining for more than forty years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Sean, @viking

    Where do you live dude The five fastest increasing white zip codes in the US are in Brooklyn NY , the suburbs of the tri sate area have gone from lily white to nestles quick over the past thirty years. Manhattan has zero minorities anymore while staten island has become a slum, as have all sorts of long island towns

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @viking

    You're mostly correct, but upper Manhattan is still mostly NAM, although now more Latino (Puerto Rican, Dominican, Mexican) than black.

  143. @Rusty Shackleford
    Oh, I wouldn't give the media that much credit. I don't doubt that they are susceptible to the class prejudices and self interest, but I can't believe they've strategized and mapped it out in the way Sailer is suggesting. If it were true, why wouldn't they be waging the battle on their own decaying suburbs, where their efforts would have the maximum impact. Further, I live in St. Louis and have worked in Ferguson, and I haven't noticed any massive influx of black ghetto people (or any at all for that matter) from the centers of media or government, if that is what he was suggesting. Black flight from the slums of North St. Louis was more than enough to doom Ferguson, which by the way was by no means a "dumpy" place at all until a decade or so ago.

    I think that the simpler answer is that the media is made up of nice, bright, little upper middle class white people who've only ever substantially encountered the nice, Obama/Skip Gates sort of black person. I have people like this in my family. They'll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses. The wide scale, multigenerational state of degradation they are in is something you have to see first hand in their homes and personal lives to fully appreciate. It's something on the scale of a genetic adaptation rather than a cultural issue at this point.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Another Canadian, @viking

    They do wage it on their own suburbs SWPLs hate suburbs till they find themselves 40 and pregnant and realize they never made the big time and cant afford Brooklyn so they find not a suburb usually but a pre subburb old town close to city and they gentrify that

  144. @Hacienda
    @Twinkie

    LOL. Appalachia whites, too? Pot, meth, ho-downs, hillbillies, coal-miners, and Loretta Lynn.

    I'll take Indiana over Kentucky. Pot, flatland, basketball, corn, Michael Jackson, the Indy 500, and tornadoes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWk2sH9PduQ

    Jim Nabors was Alabama/Hollywood. Not a true Hoosier. But, he could work that song, which probably means a lot more aa a marketing ploy. No one in Indiana gives a sh+t about that song.

    Correct on poor whites. 10-20x less violent than urban blacks.

    Replies: @Poetry N Motion, @Twinkie

    You do realize that those coal miners provide the electricity that you use to publish with don’t you?

    You should probably kiss their ring finger the next time you see one.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    @Poetry N Motion

    Being from Korea, I can tell you I get all tingly inside when I think about the mountain people
    of Appalachia. It's the flatlanders that give me vertigo.

    No disrespect to coalminers, but California's electricity is almost completely non-coal.

  145. @Ezra
    One of the things I've noticed about the media coverage of Ferguson is that though there has been a modicum of fairness in the old style MSM, the really vociferous hate-mongering has been concentrated in the online, smarty-pants oriented, center-left press like Slate, Vox, New Republic, Upshot, Atlantic Online etc. These websites usually specialize in taking a clever angle on the sociology of some trending topic and you would think that they might normally be outlets that would be sympathetic to connecting the dots between gentrification and social conflict in inner ring suburbs (though probably with a different spin than Steve Sailer).

    Instead, their angle is basically "F--- the Police" full-stop. It occurred to me the reason was that the writers at these websites typically not only live in gentrifying cities, but have lived the last decade of their lives at the spearpoint of the gentrifying hordes. First, the faster places like Ferguson turn into East St. Louis the better their lives will get.

    Another factor, though, is that these guys have also personally witnessed the "broken windows" police tactics that have been so helpful in clearing Brooklyn and downtown D.C. which is not always so nice for a tender young Harvard grad to see. They feel bad about it and maybe also bad that they really have not asked that many questions about what has been going on under their very own noses for their very own benefit. That makes it all the easier to demonize a bunch of local cops.

    Of course, it could be just they discovered that racial controversy is click bait and being sensible isn't.

    Replies: @bjdubbs

    It occurred to me the reason was that the writers at these websites typically not only live in gentrifying cities, but have lived the last decade of their lives at the spearpoint of the gentrifying hordes. First, the faster places like Ferguson turn into East St. Louis the better their lives will get.

    Another factor, though, is that these guys have also personally witnessed the “broken windows” police tactics that have been so helpful in clearing Brooklyn and downtown D.C. which is not always so nice for a tender young Harvard grad to see. They feel bad about it and maybe also bad that they really have not asked that many questions about what has been going on under their very own noses for their very own benefit. That makes it all the easier to demonize a bunch of local cops.

    I think that’s what Steve’s getting at, that it’s projection.

  146. @Lot
    The pressure campaign to get anti-American, anti-Israel bigot Steven Salaita onto the UIUC faculty has now failed:

    http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2014-09-11/updated-ui-trustees-reject-salaita.html

    The vote was 8-1 against him by the UI Trustees.

    This guy's "scholarship" was focused on comparing American "oppression" of native Americans to Israeli "oppression" of Palestinians. But he mostly just was a full time campaigner for anti-Israel causes.

    I try to ignore the awful stuff coming out of academic humanities departments. But the campaign to get Salaita rehired led me to look at some of these people's published works. They are truely hateful beyond belief towards the USA and its people. It is the main focus of every darn thing they publish. Dealing them this major defeat was sweet, but please make sure your kids don't take classes from them.

    To take one example, the leader of the Salaita campaign is Corey Robin, author of "The Reactionary Mind" where he says conservatism is a mental illness:

    From the French Revolution to the Tea Party, conservatism has been a reactionary movement, a defense of power and privilege against democratic challenges from below, particularly in the private spheres of the family and the workplace.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @fNN

    The Yale Episcopal chaplain was forced to resign after writing a letter critical of Israel to the NYT. Hasbara trolls constantly tell us that elite universities are dominated by liberals who “hate Israel.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/intellectual-comments-inviting

  147. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I just got back from New York…definitely a lot worse than the last time I was there 10 years ago.

    ?

    Assuming they are pushing out blacks, of which I saw a ton of blacks, they are getting a new breed of immigrants—muslims….and I thought those neighborhoods made the blacks look far superior IQ wise.

    New York isn’t doing a very good job on this plan from what I’m seeing!!!

  148. This is the story our national media should be covering, The Deindustrialization of America, which has left millions of low skilled Americans without jobs that pay a decent wage. To make matters worse, our corporate leaders and their political operatives in Washington DC refuse to enforce immigration laws to encourage the illegal entry of millions of desperate foreign workers each year. These “refugees” displace American workers and drive wages down further, while filling low income housing to allow rent increases by millionaire owners.

    If our nation had real black leaders they would be leading protests against “free trade” agreements and mass immigration, as this writer explains. 

    Amnesty for illegals to obliterate economic opportunities for African Americans

    http://www.naturalnews.com/045979_illegal_immigrants_amnesty_African_Americans.html#

    Unfortunately, our national ethnic leaders are not elected, but appointed by our corporate controlled media. They choose corrupt men who they pay millions of dollars to incite racial tensions to keep the working class distracted. This is the traditional tactic employed by British royalty to keep peasants confused and subdued. Young men were protesting and looting in Ferguson not because of racism, but because they don’t have work at 8:00am.

  149. Ladies and gentlemen, the betting window is now open.

    I’m giving 2 to 1 odds that the latest Ferguson “he had his hands up!” story follows the usual timeline:

    1. Repeated non-stop in all news media as proof that Officer Wilson deliberately murdered angelic choirboy and “gentle giant” Mike Brown, who supposedly had his hands up in surrender.

    2. Suddenly disappears from mainstream news media and is almost never mentioned again when it turns out that the story was a hoax.

    3. That the story was a hoax, if mentioned at all, is buried in the 20th paragraph of an article on page B24 about the size of Jennifer Lopez’s butt.

    4. Is still repeated as fact by race hustlers and (redundantly) Obama administration officials.

    5. Becomes the basis for a huge cash settlement, paid for by the remaining white taxpayers of Ferguson.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2751762/He-f-g-hands-air-New-video-Michael-Brown-incident-reveals-witnesses-horror-police-shooting.html

  150. @anon
    @Svigor

    "Just ask any Jewish professor, he’ll tell you how wrong the colonization of America was."

    Actually, the leading opponent of the genocide theory regarding American Indians is a Jew--Guenter Lewy. Quit lying.

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/were-american-indians-the-victims-of-genocide/

    Replies: @fnn

    C’mon, everyone knows that neocons like Lewy only make up only a tiny minority of Jewish intellectuals/professors. And, if we looked into it, we would probably find that it was mainly leftist Jewish intellectuals who turned the theory of white genocide of the Amerinds into conventional wisdom.

  151. @Poetry N Motion
    @Hacienda

    You do realize that those coal miners provide the electricity that you use to publish with don't you?

    You should probably kiss their ring finger the next time you see one.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    Being from Korea, I can tell you I get all tingly inside when I think about the mountain people
    of Appalachia. It’s the flatlanders that give me vertigo.

    No disrespect to coalminers, but California’s electricity is almost completely non-coal.

  152. @Anonymous
    "In recent decades, the two gentrifying media capitals have been successfully driving out American-born blacks. They’ve been prodding African-Americans to leave with things like stop and frisk in NYC."

    Steve, this is a mistake you keep making over and over again. The media bullhorn-holders who are broadcasting the approved Ferguson narrative also mostly opposed stop and frisk in NYC, and, courtesy of Mayor de Blasio and federal judge Shira Scheindlin, have finally gotten their wish that it be ended. They are not being hypocrites about law enforcement; they are against doing it effectively anywhere in the country.

    Similarly, American Jewish open-borders enthusiasts, whether leftists or Asperger's-afflicted libertarians such as Bryan Caplan, are generally unsympathetic to the Israeli government's attempts to kick out the African "refugees" who have illegally migrated into Israel.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave

    They are being hypocrites because they don’t have to deal with the on-the-ground reality of ending stop and frisk. You don’t think people like the editorial board of the New York Times ever had to deal with the massive wave of street crime that swallowed NYC from the late 60’s through the early 90’s, when Giuliani took over. They are utterly divorced from those realities. I live in Manhattan, and lived here before Giuliani, and the difference is like night and day.
    Kristof and his kind are, as he put it, smug, deluded white liberals. The white ethnic working class and lower middle class are expected to shoulder the burden of Diversity and Multiculturalism, and they’re expected to keep their mouths shut about it too.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave

    I, too, live in NYC. Eventually, the Kristoff types are going to pay for the ending of Stop and Frisk, because rising crime rates are going to threaten everyone who does not spend 24 hrs a day in a gated community. But leftists seem to care more about their ideological enthusiasms than about the consequences of imposing their ideological priorities on government.

  153. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Almost another Ferguson:

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/oakland-firefighter-plays-victim-card-until-police-release-video/

    Ferguson MO will regret not having police cams on Wilson at the time.

  154. @TWS
    A city can clean itself up and get the undesirables/criminals to move. I know I helped do it. I worked for a city that once had no police force the county provided police service but there were two officers who covered hundreds of square miles and tens of thousands of residents.

    The town was infested by a biker gang and hillbilly drug dealers. They hired a police force that wasn't afraid to enforce every law go into the biker bars and face down the rock-cooking hillbillys. Four years into it and we had one gross misdemeanor or felony every few months. Businesses began opening/moving in. Contractors began building better homes. No bikers, no hillbillys, bars were orderly and we'd get one or two problems a year out of them.

    That was twenty something years ago so the world has changed. The key really is to get out of your car, police the 'broken windows', make sure the undesirables know you'll just be waiting for them to f-up they'll move on.

    You cannot fix the world. Our society has created too many dirtbags and the underclass simply won't follow normal values but you can make your town safe and clean.

    Replies: @David R. Merridale, @Anonymous White Male

    Do tell. Were those biker gangs & hillbilly drug dealers White or black? If they moved, I would have to assume they were White. Negroes need some host to leech off of. This is an undeniable truth that negroes and liberals can’t stand. Blacks could be free from evil YT if that is what they wanted. But, that would show the world that they are incapable of maintaining anything resembling a productive, technologically developed, clean, low-crime community without their ex-masters around. This is one of the truths that must not be spoken. And since the MSM controls the dialogue, blacks and negroes can be shielded from reality and stay in their pixie dust created universe.

  155. I saw “The Drop” with Tom Hardy and the late James Gandolfini. It takes place in Brooklyn 2013, but the racial demographics in the film looked more like Brooklyn in 1973.

  156. “Just ask any Jewish professor, he’ll tell you how wrong the colonization of America was.”

    Actually, the leading opponent of the genocide theory regarding American Indians is a Jew–Guenter Lewy. Quit lying.

    (Ha, I wonder if the leading opponent of the genocide theory regarding Armenians is a Jew, too. And the Holodomor, for that matter.)

    You’re not very good at this, are you. A single Jew doesn’t change the fact that Jews are overwhelmingly liberal, Jewish academics are even more overwhelmingly liberal, and the liberal position is that the colonization of America was wrong Wrong WRONG; therefore, common sense suggests that the Jewish academic consensus is that the colonization of America was wrong Wrong WRONG.

  157. @Art Deco
    @Rusty Shackleford

    They’ll likely live and die without ever having to spend any great amount of time in their work or personal time with the kind of black people who are rioting in Ferguson. I doubt that even skeptics like Sailer or most of the commentators here have much experience with the white or black underclasses.

    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not 'the underclass'.

    Replies: @Bill, @Rusty Shackleford

    Ferguson is a town of wage-earners, not ‘the underclass’.

    The actual rioters are mostly from east and north St. Louis. Actually, though, what I think that you’re saying is a point that I’ve been trying to make. If I watched only the national media, I think that I’d be under the impression that Ferguson is a black ghetto with a tiny group of white people desperately trying to hold on to their sinecures. Really, though, it was middle class until recently. Even prior to the riots, the main drag through the town was still a thriving commercial area, complete with many chain stores along with long established small businesses and a large supermarket where residents could purchase low cost food. But that’s now effectively done. In another 10 years it’ll be just another ghetto that used to be a nice place.

  158. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Similarly, American Jewish open-borders enthusiasts, whether leftists or Asperger’s-afflicted libertarians such as Bryan Caplan, are generally unsympathetic to the Israeli government’s attempts to kick out the African “refugees” who have illegally migrated into Israel."

    Really? How can one tell? Their donations to African resettlement efforts in Israel? Their public pronouncements on the immorality of desert concentration camps? Their vocal support for African amnesty in Israel?

    I know, I know, they tell you in all the private conversations you have with them. I must admit, I have looked at all the non-binding Senate Resolutions regarding Israel and haven't seen a one that insists on African amnesty in Israel. But perhaps the AJC, the ADL, the Conference of Presidents of Jewish Organizations, or AIPAC have come out with a position paper that I have missed. Do share with us.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    I doubt you talk to many Jews of any variety. I, on the other hand, do (being Jewish and living in New York, it’s not surprising), and can tell you that among Jewish leftists, even in Israel, there’s a great deal of misplaced sympathy for the useless African vagrants. AIPAC, by the way, only deals with Israel security issues, not internal Israeli social issues, and would not take a position on the African migration into Israel. The Conference of Presidents includes dozens of different Jewish organizations, many of whom are mutually antagonistic, and would not take a position on this sort of issue.

  159. The Yale Episcopal chaplain was forced to resign after writing a letter critical of Israel to the NYT. Hasbara trolls constantly tell us that elite universities are dominated by liberals who “hate Israel.”

    This is instructive in two ways:

    1) The most fluent liars usually believe their own drivel. E.g., to Hasbara types, anyone who is 99% or less in the tank for Israel “hates” Israel. 99% is not enough, only 100% will do. They’ve really arranged their psyches so this is true for them.

    2): “A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you.” (Sobran 1996a, 3)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Svigor

    Yes, Israel is wildly popular with university faculties and student activists. I don't know what those silly paranoid Jews are complaining about. After all, Israel is so popular, most activists on campus still won't advocate sending in the Marines to clear the Jews out - all they ask is that the Israelis not defend themselves from Arabs justifiably trying to kill them. But, no, the Jews insist in defending themselves. These Jews, they are so pushy, no wonder people don't like them.

  160. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @HA
    "The Jews in the remainder of Eastern Europe were either killed during the war or evacuated shortly thereafter. The Jewish population of Poland went from a seven digit number to a four digit number."

    Yes, and part of that seven digit number (i.e. part of the portion that survived), and even a chunk of the four digit number and their descendants, would eventually wind up in Palestine/Israel.

    Somewhere along the way, the standard Cold War retort of "what about the terrible things you do to your Negroes?" whenever a Westerner remarked on the poor quality of life in the Soviet bloc would be transformed into "what about how you murdered all the Indians?" whenever Israel is discussed long enough. Or so it seems to me. It is as if they are all corollaries of Godwin's law.

    I wonder if the same tactic is common in Australia, with Aborigines substituted for Indians?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The Jews who went from Poland and other places in non-Soviet Eastern Europe to Israel in the 40s did not spend much time under communist rule, which only began in Eastern Europe after World War II. There was no “Eastern block” until after World War II. Jews were not allowed to immigrate from the Soviet Union to Israel until the 80s. The Jews who went to Israel from the Soviet Union were not part of a favored elite; if they were, they would not have been interested in going to Israel.

    The idea that white settlers committed genocide against native North Americans is conventional wisdom all over the entire world and among younger Americans. There is no need to explain Israelis holding it by reference to a mythical Soviet influence in Israel. There is much leftwing influence in Israel, but that is because it was founded by (non-Soviet) leftists, and most of its elite is still ideologically leftwing.

  161. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave
    @Anonymous

    They are being hypocrites because they don't have to deal with the on-the-ground reality of ending stop and frisk. You don't think people like the editorial board of the New York Times ever had to deal with the massive wave of street crime that swallowed NYC from the late 60's through the early 90's, when Giuliani took over. They are utterly divorced from those realities. I live in Manhattan, and lived here before Giuliani, and the difference is like night and day.
    Kristof and his kind are, as he put it, smug, deluded white liberals. The white ethnic working class and lower middle class are expected to shoulder the burden of Diversity and Multiculturalism, and they're expected to keep their mouths shut about it too.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I, too, live in NYC. Eventually, the Kristoff types are going to pay for the ending of Stop and Frisk, because rising crime rates are going to threaten everyone who does not spend 24 hrs a day in a gated community. But leftists seem to care more about their ideological enthusiasms than about the consequences of imposing their ideological priorities on government.

  162. @viking
    @Art Deco

    Where do you live dude The five fastest increasing white zip codes in the US are in Brooklyn NY , the suburbs of the tri sate area have gone from lily white to nestles quick over the past thirty years. Manhattan has zero minorities anymore while staten island has become a slum, as have all sorts of long island towns

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You’re mostly correct, but upper Manhattan is still mostly NAM, although now more Latino (Puerto Rican, Dominican, Mexican) than black.

  163. @International Jew
    @Rusty Shackleford

    Good to hear from a St Louisian (?) I learned a lot about gentrification when I visited your fair city last year. That area north of Wash U, extending east the length of that two-mile-long park, wow. Thousands of 3-story 6000-8000sqft mansions from 100 years ago, when there were so many more ways to get rich in the city, clearly built for people richer than the intrepid middle class gentrifiers coming in now. (You can tell from the cars, from the obvious fact most people do their own gardening, and some deferred maintenance -- though overall it's very attractive, don't get me wrong.) I spoke at length with one homeowner (who was out front gardening) who told me the whole area (this was near the Kings Highway end) had been largely abandoned until 10-15 years ago, that it's coming back, but (maybe taking me as a househunter) "you can't expect perfect safety, it's still urban." She also pointed to a nearby, older, 20-story condo building (that made me think of Detroit's Broderick Tower) and told me the whole thing was abandoned until recently. Her street, and all the others there I saw, had nice steel gates at one end and the other -- city streets, but not altogether public. I guess it all exists at the sufferance of the police and politicians.

    Replies: @Rusty Shackleford

    I think that St. Louisan is the preferred nomenclature. St. Louis has some of the best architecture in the midwest if not the country. Unfortunately, a lot of it is in the worst neighborhoods. If I had an army of hipster and homosexual gentrifiers, I’d send them to the north side of St. Louis. Check out the Hyde Park neighborhood for instance, which German immigrants turned into a mini 19th century teutonic city complete with a brewery, town house mansions and a massive gothic cathedral.

    The prevailing notion is that the former residents of these neighborhoods got sick of living in the city and abandoned them for more yard space out in the suburbs. In fact the racial violence in the 60’s made it impossible for them to continue living there. A favorite criminal tactic at the time in these places was to firebomb one house and then ransack the surrounding houses while their residents were distracted. We call that white flight, but if it happened in the balkans, I don’t think anyone would balk at using the term ethnic cleansing.

    Modern gentrifiers that I have met are mostly smart young kids, often working as architects or in the biotech industry. But they have this mindset that all the problems in the blighted neighborhoods are the fault of the white people who left for the suburbs 50+ years ago -the people who built these neighborhoods in the first place. White flight is to them something that happened because these people were greedy, materialistic and racist. Publicly, they don’t allow any rational or valid reasons for why the original residents left. I don’t have much tolerance for that sort of self serving, selective denial of reality, so I had a fair amount of contempt for these people when I first started meeting them. But I realized that, for whatever reason, they apparently have to believe this or else they need publicly to say that they believe this to continue what they’re doing. If you press them too hard in argument on this point, you’ll get nothing but silence and a guilty grin from them.

  164. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Similarly, American Jewish open-borders enthusiasts, whether leftists or Asperger’s-afflicted libertarians such as Bryan Caplan, are generally unsympathetic to the Israeli government’s attempts to kick out the African “refugees” who have illegally migrated into Israel."

    Really? How can one tell? Their donations to African resettlement efforts in Israel? Their public pronouncements on the immorality of desert concentration camps? Their vocal support for African amnesty in Israel?

    I know, I know, they tell you in all the private conversations you have with them. I must admit, I have looked at all the non-binding Senate Resolutions regarding Israel and haven't seen a one that insists on African amnesty in Israel. But perhaps the AJC, the ADL, the Conference of Presidents of Jewish Organizations, or AIPAC have come out with a position paper that I have missed. Do share with us.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Here’s an article on the website of the “Religious Action Committee” (i.e., committee for leftwing agitation) of the Union for Reform Judaism, the largest denomination of Judaism in the US, on the African “asylum seekers” (as the article refers to them) in Israel.

    http://blogs.rj.org/rac/2013/01/31/challenges-for-african-asylum-seekers-in-israel-how-much-has-changed/

    Needless to say, the article is sympathetic to the “asylum seekers,” not to Israelis opposing their presence. It is evident from the article that the African vagrants have plenty of support within the leftist permanent Israeli bureaucracy, not just leftwing American Jews.

    My suggestion to Americans worried about excessive immigration into this country: take a break from bashing “Zionists” and do a better job of fighting American leftists, Jewish and otherwise, who want to replace the current citizenry with third-worlders. Your obsessive anti-Israelism is a distraction that only helps the American Left screw the rest of us.

  165. @Anonymous
    Rusty Shackleford,

    I appreciate having a St Louisan ring in on this topic. I feel like we haven't gotten a real good feel yet on what sort of place Ferguson and the surrounding area really is.

    For example, what sort of bars do you go to in the STL area? Are there any good ones?

    Replies: @Rusty Shackleford

    I appreciate having a St Louisan ring in on this topic. I feel like we haven’t gotten a real good feel yet on what sort of place Ferguson and the surrounding area really is.

    The most basic impression that people tell me about when they come to St. Louis is that they are surprised by how green it is. Not in the environmentalist sense, but simply in that there are a lot of parks, lakes, massive trees, etc. So through the 90’s I would have probably said that Ferguson was a solidly middle class suburb with nice parks and large houses. The aerospace and automotive industries were the major employers in the area and the population contained a significant number of engineers and well paid skilled workers like tool and die makers and machinists. Ferguson was one of the nicer municipalities in its area of the St. Louis region. Since the 90’s you’ve had the housing crisis, an airport expansion that leveled a good chunk of the northern part of St Louis County, continued encroachment from section 8 voucher holders and black flight from the northside of St. Louis City, the collapse of American manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.

    If you’d driven through Ferguson in July of this year, you’d probably think that it was a little rough, but it was still a functioning, working community. It was maintaining. There are places in St. Louis were you just don’t want to be whether you’re white or black, but Ferguson definitely wasn’t like that. And that’s what annoys me about equivocating the situation in Ferguson with Tawana Brawley, Duke Lacrosse and Bonfire of the Vanities style race farces, as though it were just another laugh. Ferguson is a real life earth and stone city. The people rioting in the streets did nothing to build it, but they’ve effectively destroyed it over a useless thug who very likely only got what he had coming to him. To my mind, one of the more pathetic scenes to come out of the whole situation were the crowds of white people (they were mostly white but there were some black people with them) who’d show up the morning after each night of looting in their “I love Ferguson” t shirts and try to clean up as well as they could.

    For example, what sort of bars do you go to in the STL area? Are there any good ones?

    St. Louis whites are a bunch of Germans, Czechs, Polish, Italians and Irish, so every area has its favorite bars. If you want an actual dinner you traditionally go to the Italian neighborhood, The Hill. The food elsewhere can be bratwurst and beer centric.

  166. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    The Yale Episcopal chaplain was forced to resign after writing a letter critical of Israel to the NYT. Hasbara trolls constantly tell us that elite universities are dominated by liberals who “hate Israel.”
     
    This is instructive in two ways:

    1) The most fluent liars usually believe their own drivel. E.g., to Hasbara types, anyone who is 99% or less in the tank for Israel "hates" Israel. 99% is not enough, only 100% will do. They've really arranged their psyches so this is true for them.

    2): "A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you." (Sobran 1996a, 3)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, Israel is wildly popular with university faculties and student activists. I don’t know what those silly paranoid Jews are complaining about. After all, Israel is so popular, most activists on campus still won’t advocate sending in the Marines to clear the Jews out – all they ask is that the Israelis not defend themselves from Arabs justifiably trying to kill them. But, no, the Jews insist in defending themselves. These Jews, they are so pushy, no wonder people don’t like them.

  167. How come you guys never answer this question?

    Jews have their Reich; why can’t whites have ours?

    Being such strong supporters of the Jewish Reich, you’d think you’d want to show your solidarity with whites who want the same for themselves.

    But nope, you always ignore this point. Almost like you hope it’ll go away if you ignore it. Almost like you guys think ethnopatriotism is a must for the Jews, but must be verboten to the white heathens (“gentiles”).

  168. And I seem to remember a few Jews fighting back when surrounded by the Nazis. Warsaw, for one. Maybe if the Nazis hadn’t surrounded them, the Jews in Warsaw wouldn’t have had to kill any Nazis. If they’d had rockets, they’d certainly have used them. I bet in hindsight, many would choose to go back and use suicide vests against the Nazis, too.

  169. ” In another 10 years it’ll be just another ghetto that used to be a nice place.”

    Ferguson is experiencing reverse gentrification, instead of getting Whiter it keeps getting Blacker. In 10 years Ferguson might be 77 percent Black instead of the current 67 percent Black.

    I can definitely see Ferguson becoming as Black as East St. Louis or Gary, Indiana in my lifetime. Ferguson is already Blacker than cities like Flint, Michigan and Atlanta, Georgia for example.

  170. “Dr. Lawyer says:

    One of Sowell’s theses in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” was that the Scots-Irish southern Whites in the pre-Civil war republic passed these cultural traits to the newly African-American slaves.”

    Sowell has indeed promoted this thesis It’s a ridiculous idea, and it’s wrong. Perhaps Sowell doesn’t want to bring himself to admit that his people have certain systemic problems, which they brought over with them from Africa, which are likely genetic, and which account for the shockingly bad behavior of so many blacks. That’s tough for him, but I don’t have to buy it.

    The Scots-Irish (and the English), from whom I am descended, have their own set of ethnic characteristics, many of them self-destructive. Those traits have partly contributed to the state this country is in. I won’t make excuses for those – they are our burden of shame to bear. But our ancestors are not to blame for the way that blacks behave – that is on them.

  171. “sprlfs says:

    If anything, the journalistic class in NY/DC consistently write against gentrification and are a strong force behind the nonsense public housing and rent control laws that favor blacks and hurt whites in those cities.”

    I was under the impression that rent control mostly favored relatively well-heeled New Yorkers, some of whom get to live at a nice address for a pittance, and some of whom make a tidy income by sub-letting out thier apartments at a market rate.

  172. “Sowell has indeed promoted this thesis It’s a ridiculous idea, and it’s wrong. Perhaps Sowell doesn’t want to bring himself to admit that his people have certain systemic problems, which they brought over with them from Africa, which are likely genetic, and which account for the shockingly bad behavior of so many blacks. That’s tough for him, but I don’t have to buy it.

    The Scots-Irish (and the English), from whom I am descended, have their own set of ethnic characteristics, many of them self-destructive. Those traits have partly contributed to the state this country is in. I won’t make excuses for those – they are our burden of shame to bear. But our ancestors are not to blame for the way that blacks behave – that is on them.”

    It is only a matter of time before the Scots-Irish also get blamed for why so many Hispanic females become sexually promiscuous at such a young age and get pregnant like at 12 or 13.

    Or only a matter of time before the Scots-Irish get blamed for why so many Asian men are addicted to gambling.

  173. @Hacienda
    @Twinkie

    LOL. Appalachia whites, too? Pot, meth, ho-downs, hillbillies, coal-miners, and Loretta Lynn.

    I'll take Indiana over Kentucky. Pot, flatland, basketball, corn, Michael Jackson, the Indy 500, and tornadoes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWk2sH9PduQ

    Jim Nabors was Alabama/Hollywood. Not a true Hoosier. But, he could work that song, which probably means a lot more aa a marketing ploy. No one in Indiana gives a sh+t about that song.

    Correct on poor whites. 10-20x less violent than urban blacks.

    Replies: @Poetry N Motion, @Twinkie

    I’ll take Indiana over Kentucky. Pot, flatland, basketball, corn, Michael Jackson, the Indy 500, and tornadoes.

    I must say, I inherited anti-Indiana prejudice of my upper Midwestern in-laws. They think folks form Indiana are a bit “off.”

    Corn is better farther west.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    @Twinkie

    You mean Minnesota or Wisconsin? I'm aware of some anti-Indiana prejudice. Mostly having to do with it being reactionary, country-fied, even clanner. All of it somewhat justified.

    But don't know of other ways it's "off". Although from the Kentucky side, it's probably seen as too northern.

    I haven't seen any big difference in Indiana corn vs California corn. But I'd say Indiana's is better.
    Iowa's may be better, but I've never had corn there.

  174. @HA
    @Twinkie

    "Talk about areas “abandoned” and forgotten by those with means."

    Liberals love to watch "Justified". They can indulge their gangsta Schadenfreude without watching too many black faces (of course, there's gonna be a token heroic black female cop or two).

    It's far more entertaining than their well-thumbed copies of What's the Matter with Kansas? and not nearly as depressing as the faces in Let Us Now Praise Famous Men.

    And it's all based on an Elmore Leonard novel -- that is about as SWPL as can be. So every couple of decades, the liberal establishment does indeed shed a few tears about Appalachia, and the cruel right-wing coal barons and Republicans and DEA agents that are supposedly responsible for keeping the area poor and backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Liberals love to watch “Justified”. They can indulge their gangsta Schadenfreude without watching too many black faces (of course, there’s gonna be a token heroic black female cop or two).

    You are going to have to explain the term “gangsta Schadenfreude” to me. What are you trying to say here? To borrow Princess Bride, I do no think Schadenfreude means what you think it means.

    I don’t care who else watches what show. If I like it, I watch it. I understand “Parks & Rec” is a very popular leftie show, but I watched a few episodes, because a couple of acquaintances told me that I was the Yellow “Ron” (they were wrong – while I like killing and eating animals and all things meat, I am not a libertarian). Same thing with “Game of Thrones.” I understand it’s watched by legions of obsessive fans who dissect every little thing about it. That in no way detracts from *my* enjoyment.

    I enjoy “Justified” and “Longmire,” because, for once (and twice), there are cop shows about somewhere other than NYC/LA/Seattle/Chicago.

    I don’t posture, intellectually or ideologically, with my TV shows.

  175. @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    About 20% of Israel’s Jewish population is attributable to the immigration of Soviet Jews. In Soviet Russia, as in other East Bloc countries, Communist Party membership generally extended to about 1/6th of the adult population. I tend to doubt that Jews were disproportionate among that stratum of Soviet society after 1927. I’d wager that the share of Israeli Jews with this kind of background is in the low single digits.
     
    The impression that I have is that Jewish over-representation in the CP only began to decline in the wake of the Great Purge of 1937-38 (e.g., the percentage of Jewish* NKVD officers was much lower after 1938). The real turn for the worse for Jews in the USSR, however, occurred after Golda Meir's visit to the Soviet Union as Minister Plenipotentiary. Stalin was none to pleased by the hysterical reaction of the Soviet Union's Jewish population to an official visitor from the newly established Jewish state.


    *

    “About 40 percent of high-ranking NKVD officers had Jewish nationality recorded in their identity documents,” writes Yale University professor Timothy Snyder in Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin, “as did more than half of the NKVD generals. . . . The Great Terror could be, and by many would be, blamed on the Jews.”

    “At the time when the NKVD was killing members of national minorities, most of its leading officers were themselves members of national minorities…. In carrying out these ethnic massacres, which of course they had to if they wished to preserve their positions and their lives, they comprised an ethic of internationalism, which must have been important to some of them. Then they were killed anyway . . . and usually replaced by Russians.” —Timothy Snyder
     
    http://jewishcurrents.org/december-20-the-secret-police-8412

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    According to Berkeley history professor Yuri Slezkine’s award-winning book The Jewish Century, it was really only when Golda Meir visited Moscow in 1947 or 1948 and Stalin saw how excited Jewish CP members were over Zionism that Stalin became anti-Semitic.

  176. Stan D Mute [AKA "Stan Mute"] says:
    @anon
    On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stan D Mute

    “Do people really think like this?” In a word, yes. Some people, developers particularly, think exactly like this. If you think about it, it’s their job to do it. They need people to move, especially in areas with very low growth, they need to have churn in order to remain in business.

  177. Stan D Mute [AKA "Stan Mute"] says:
    @Greenstalk
    In inner city neighborhoods, blacks are victimizing other blacks. The victims tend to be the exact people most likely to adopt ‘white’ lifestyles.

    This is tied into the strange American practice of selecting the biggest, strongest, meanest, most aggressive blacks from the ghetto and giving them so-called "athletic scholarships" at institutes of high education. Naturally they go on to have more reproductive success than their more peaceful but non-college-going kin. It's as if we have deliberately created a selective breeding program designed to increase the very worst tendencies among blacks.

    Let's take it as a given that we're going to continue to have affirmative action for blacks in college admissions. Can we at least reserve those spots for blacks who display desirable (aka "white") character traits? Admittedly the college football programs of America would be somewhat adversely affected, but you can't make omelets without breaking a few eggs.

    Replies: @Stan D Mute

    This is tied into the strange American practice of selecting the biggest, strongest, meanest, most aggressive blacks from the ghetto and giving them so-called “athletic scholarships” at institutes of high education. Naturally they go on to have more reproductive success than their more peaceful but non-college-going kin. It’s as if we have deliberately created a selective breeding program designed to increase the very worst tendencies among blacks

    Do you believe this just started with the obsession with football? If you were a slave owner, would you want to breed small bookish negroes or big strapping fellows who weren’t overly smart? It carries into even the capture and auction of the slaves. A stunted waifish African might be simply released back to the jungle and his tribe while the big strong Africans would draw top dollar for their ability to survive the transit to the New World and then work productively on arrival. I see this mistake constantly in discussion of slavery – people forget just how incredibly expensive slaves really were and what those costs meant for the actual treatment of the slaves by their “owners.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous White Male
    @Stan D Mute

    Do you actually believe that slave owners "bred" their slaves? I know that this concept is useful for negroes to play victim about how they were treated like animals (well, they are, aren't they), but I doubt it happened. Perhaps you can show us some studies or literature that actually has verifiable data? I think you will find this is another myth promoted by people that don't delve too deeply into history.

  178. @Twinkie
    @Hacienda


    I’ll take Indiana over Kentucky. Pot, flatland, basketball, corn, Michael Jackson, the Indy 500, and tornadoes.
     
    I must say, I inherited anti-Indiana prejudice of my upper Midwestern in-laws. They think folks form Indiana are a bit "off."

    Corn is better farther west.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    You mean Minnesota or Wisconsin? I’m aware of some anti-Indiana prejudice. Mostly having to do with it being reactionary, country-fied, even clanner. All of it somewhat justified.

    But don’t know of other ways it’s “off”. Although from the Kentucky side, it’s probably seen as too northern.

    I haven’t seen any big difference in Indiana corn vs California corn. But I’d say Indiana’s is better.
    Iowa’s may be better, but I’ve never had corn there.

  179. I would look into the massive drug problems that plague black communities in the USA. Drugs combined with hip-hop/rap music influence has probably destroyed black assimilation towards American cultural norms. IQ might be a factor, but it probably is not.

    There have been many populations with low IQ–keeping in mind that IQ tests might be culturally biased–everywhere in the world, South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh), Middle-East, Southeast Asia, Latin America, where the violence isn’t so high.

    Look into the declassified CIA book, “Red Cocaine: The Drugging of America and the West” by Joseph D. Douglass. Why are inner city minorities like blacks and Hispanics suffering from drug problems much more than suburban whites? Why has this drug problem increased exponentially after 1960, while it has remained stable for the last few decades before 1960? Is it part of a long-term Soviet drug offensive to demoralize the West?

  180. “On one hand, this makes sense. On the other, do people really think like this?”

    It’s evolution in action.

    People think a large number of random thoughts and those which are *against* the interests of people with power or influence are selected against in the media.

    What is left over after this filtering process is what is in the interest of – or at least not obviously against the interests of – the people with power and influence.

    (nb racism etc blah blah yes but also if a particular demographic is ten times more likely to stab or shoot you then the po-leece are going to be ten times more jumpy around that demographic)

  181. @Stan D Mute
    @Greenstalk


    This is tied into the strange American practice of selecting the biggest, strongest, meanest, most aggressive blacks from the ghetto and giving them so-called “athletic scholarships” at institutes of high education. Naturally they go on to have more reproductive success than their more peaceful but non-college-going kin. It’s as if we have deliberately created a selective breeding program designed to increase the very worst tendencies among blacks
     
    Do you believe this just started with the obsession with football? If you were a slave owner, would you want to breed small bookish negroes or big strapping fellows who weren't overly smart? It carries into even the capture and auction of the slaves. A stunted waifish African might be simply released back to the jungle and his tribe while the big strong Africans would draw top dollar for their ability to survive the transit to the New World and then work productively on arrival. I see this mistake constantly in discussion of slavery - people forget just how incredibly expensive slaves really were and what those costs meant for the actual treatment of the slaves by their "owners."

    Replies: @Anonymous White Male

    Do you actually believe that slave owners “bred” their slaves? I know that this concept is useful for negroes to play victim about how they were treated like animals (well, they are, aren’t they), but I doubt it happened. Perhaps you can show us some studies or literature that actually has verifiable data? I think you will find this is another myth promoted by people that don’t delve too deeply into history.

  182. @anon
    @Art Deco

    Well, it's been 20+ years since the bulk of Soviet Jewry immigrated to Israel. In that time, many older people, as older people tend to do, have passed on. They were more likely to be Communist Party members than people who were kids, teenagers or young adults in the late 1980s, or not even born. So today, the number of former CPSU members in Israel is probably fairly low, but it was probably higher in the nineties.

    Jewish membership in the CPSU was disproportionate to the population because Jews were so much smarter than the average Soviet citizen that they were disproportionately represented in middle-management (but quite rare at the higher rungs of power). Middle-managers were generally members of the CPSU.

    "In 1976, Jews formed 1.9 percent of the nationwide membership (including candidate members), more than 294,000 out of 15.6 million, making them the sixth-largest ethnic group after the three principal Slavic peoples (the Russians, Ukrainians, and Belorussians), the Uzbeks, and the Tatars. Even in this period—the years of the first major emigration wave, when Jews were widely looked upon as potential traitors—the absolute number of Jews in the party rose. The fact that their percentage exceeded that of the overall urban population should probably be attributed to their traditionally high proportion of party members, their high educational and professional level, and their elderly age structure."

    "Extrapolation leads to the conclusion that Jews remained, into the 1960s at least, the most party-saturated nationality in the Soviet Union, and in terms of absolute numbers, the largest non-Slavic group of Communists, with the possible exception of the Tatars. At the same time, the party saturation of the Soviet Jewish community fell from about 300 percent of the national average in 1940 to between 140 and 180 percent in 1965. However, once the Jewish emigration movement gained momentum, and the Jewish population continued to drop as a result of both emigration and negative natural growth, the percentage of Jewish Communists among all party members nationwide fell progressively, although in certain areas their proportion in the Jewish community actually grew."

    http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union

    Replies: @Son of Sambo

    Jews joined the CPSU because they were disproportionate in middle management. Thank you, you soulless sperg robot, for that fascinating chunk of useless and dubious historical information.

  183. @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    "How that process works can be a complex one, however. "

    Know of any good reading on the topic?

    Replies: @rb

    Try City Journal.

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