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I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time, but it couldn’t have been easy growing up as Mark Zuckerberg’s sister. I suspect there are a lot of unresolved issues among the Zuckerberg siblings, especially when your brother, the richest and most powerful man of his generation, probably radiates the assurance that he’d have been a better classicist than you. (And you suspect he’s right.)

It’s not wholly a coincidence that Mark wears his hair like a Roman emperor’s. From Business Insider:

Facebook almost didn’t happen because Mark Zuckerberg loves Roman culture

Julie Bort

Aug. 29, 2016, 4:42 PM

Mark Zuckerberg is visiting Italy right now …

… And then he told the story about how his love for Rome and all things Roman almost took him in such a radically different direction with his life, that Facebook probably never would have been born. He said:

“I love Rome. I studied Latin and Roman history and culture. I loved it so much that when I was going to college, I actually thought I was going to major in Classics. I didn’t. I ended up majoring in computer science and psychology. But I didn’t make it that long in college anyway.”

A degree in Classics is a degree in the literature, language and cultural history of ancient civilizations. It’s a degree most closely associated with becoming a high school Latin teacher or a college professor.

“I love Rome so much, that when my wife and I got married, We came to Rome on our honeymoon. I made us go to all of these different historical and classical places. So much so, that when we got back and we were looking through the photos, my wife was making fun of me, saying she thought there were three people on the honeymoon: me, her and Augustus. All the photos were different sculptures of Augustus.”

Others think Zuck looks like Caligula.

Donna Zuckerberg’s Eidolon mag goes on and on about the “whitewashing” of the Ancient world.

But here’s a bust restored to its original color scheme, which looks remarkably like her brother’s color scheme.

When reading Donna Zuckerberg’s plan to dissemble Classics to fight white supremacy, I’m reminded of Paleo Retiree’s account of his unfortunate encounter with Freudian psychoanalysis when young. As a naive upstate New Yorker, he assumed that because all these high IQ New York City people were obsessed with Freudianism, it must be a real thing. It took years for him to realize that Freudianism wasn’t supposed to be real, it was just a way for Jewish workaholics to vent about their family members for 50 minutes and then get back to making money. Only trusting WASPs like P.R. took it seriously.

Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole. It seems like a pretty effective ethnic tradition at keeping Jews away from each others’ throats (although the damage to the rest of society is not insignificant): I love my brother Mark, but sometimes he drives me crazy. But then I have to remind myself that he’s just the way he is because society, going back to the Romans and Greeks, made him that way. When you really think about it, Mark Zuckerberg is a victim of society.

Well, okay, maybe, although I’d probably guess that your brother Mark is the way he is because that’s the way he is.

 
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  1. Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I’d be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother’s penis.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Lot

    Yeah, the most logical explanation for Donna's behavior to me is the cognitive dissonance between her love of the classics, her desire to be popular/SJW-compliant, and various alt-righters' love of the classics.

    Also, fawning over Ancient Rome is atypical Jewish behavior, considering that ancient Romans and Jews were bitter antagonists in two wars, which left Jews without their own state for nearly 2,000 years. So maybe Donna feels some guilt about her love of the classics, and her response is to attack them as an SJW.

    Replies: @Lot, @Chiron, @Father O'Hara

    , @Desiderius
    @Lot


    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval
     
    I'm not getting a guilt/fear vibe.

    More like a feeling her oats/drive them into the sea vibe.
    , @Jason Liu
    @Lot

    That is the better explanation, as Donna's case is no different than that of many middle class white female academics.

    Notice how Donna emphasizes feminism in the classics? What does that have to do with history? Not much in terms of scholarship, but it is the underlying ideological link that drives this particular demographic of SJWs.

    , @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere
    @Lot

    Referring to Freud is your choice. One could just as well quote Augustinus on sibling rivalry.

    , @SFG
    @Lot

    Re guilt and altruism: as Steve says, sometimes the simplest explanations are the best. The lady dug the classics, but they're not PC, so the way around it is the whole feminist thing. You have to 'detoxify' the Dead White Males somehow, and the way to do that now is the whole feminist thing if you're a white (parentheses optional) woman. Mark, not belonging to a victim class, had to get a real job.

    Mark's love for Rome isn't too hard to figure out. Dude wanted to run an empire, and did the closest thing his time and era would let him. Even if he was of a martial personality type (which he clearly is not) the best he could hope for would be some slot commanding an army somewhere in the South China Sea under the command of some tribune of the people or Party, depending on which side he was born on.

    , @Opinionator
    @Lot

    A simpler explanation:

    She is fearful and envious of goyim.

    , @James Kabala
    @Lot

    This comment should have had a gold box.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Dennis Dale
    @Lot

    I think you're mostly right.
    I suspect the quantity by which Zuck outshines his sister has a quality all its own. She can't beat him but joining him is pretty awesome--other girls jot down their complaints in their journals, she gets her own literary journal.

    But that part about Zuck probably thinking he could do classics better: she likely thinks, privately, oh no you don't. Who knows, maybe they even have debates. So, here, finally is at least one area where she might best Mark. A prestigious one too, which will incite his envy and the genuine respect of family.

    It's a fine opportunity, to be seen as the classics expert in the family, while Mark makes his play to be some sort of social media Augustus. Who knows where it could lead, she must think.

    The journal is how Ms Zuck's sibling rivalry is sublimated into (what she and others think is) positive, altruistic action. The social justice nonsense comes from two places: mostly because that's how one distinguishes oneself (not with a boring old intellectual journal) nowadays, and, I suspect, a lack of confidence.
    You can attempt the daunting task, for which few will thank you, of adding something of value to the work of Western scholarship, or you can apply the SalonSlateBuzzfeed template and go home early to get ready for the party later.

    Replies: @guest

  2. Zuck’s favorite lines from Virgil are revealing….

    He first read the Aeneid while he was studying Latin in high school, and he recounted the story of Aeneas’s quest and his desire to build a city that, he said, quoting the text in English, “knows no boundaries in time and greatness.” Zuckerberg has always had a classical streak, his friends and family told me. (Sean Parker, a close friend of Zuckerberg, who served as Facebook’s president when the company was incorporated, said, “There’s a part of him that—it was present even when he was twenty, twenty-one—this kind of imperial tendency. He was really into Greek odysseys and all that stuff.”) At a product meeting a couple of years ago, Zuckerberg quoted some lines from the Aeneid.

    On the phone, Zuckerberg tried to remember the Latin of particular verses. Later that night, he IM’d to tell me two phrases he remembered, giving me the Latin and then the English: “fortune favors the bold” and “a nation/empire without bound.”

    “The throne with his succession shall be fill’d
    Three hundred circuits more: then shall be seen
    Ilia the fair, a priestess and a queen,
    Who, full of Mars, in time, with kindly throes,
    Shall at a birth two goodly boys disclose.
    The royal babes a tawny wolf shall drain:
    Then Romulus his grandsire’s throne shall gain,
    Of martial tow’rs the founder shall become,
    The people Romans call, the city Rome.
    To them no bounds of empire I assign,
    Nor term of years to their immortal line.”

    Aeneid, Dryden’s translation

  3. I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time, but it couldn’t have been easy growing up as Mark Zuckerberg’s brother.

    Don’t you mean sister?

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Hubbub

    I think Mr Steve meant to say that you can add Penis Envy to Ms Zuckerberg's neuroses. Donna clearly wanted to be Donald.

  4. Donna Zuckerberg’s Eidolon mag goes on and on about the “whitewashing” of the Ancient world.

    But here’s a bust restored to its original color scheme, which looks remarkably like her brother’s color scheme.

    Call me crazy, but the restored colors don’t make the statues look like POC:

    • Replies: @guest
    @syonredux

    Stop confusing us with facts!

    Ancient statuary didn't look like people generally think, and one may by poetic license call it "whitewashing" to keep them uncolored. If "woke" classicist can't cry "coverup!" and pretend the past was made to appear whiter than it was, what is the world of niche academic journalism coming to? Next thing you know, people will be saying New Colossus isn't the law of the land.

    Real talk: people are either happily ignorant of the gaudy way the ancients used to adorn things, or they think the ancients had poor taste and prefer the "clean" version beloved of neoclassicism. Whatever point SJW classicist are trying to make, it won't work. Firstly, because when you add color back in they still look white. Secondly, because they look better with the marbles' natural color and everybody knows it.

    Even if we discovered the Greeks used to look like a bunch of Wesley Snipeses, ugly painted statues would be a good enough excuse for Dead White Classicists in the Bad Old Days before woke Jewesses took over the field to have hidden it from us.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @syonredux

    The colors make Hermes look gay, Athena the TA for that Women's Studies class your advisor made you take to satisfy a breadth requirement, and as for Hera, Goddess of Marriage, is that why Greek men would pass from this life before their wives did -- because they wanted to ?

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @jb
    @syonredux

    That was a really interesting video, but I'd be a lot happier if there had been some explanation of where the colors had come from. Did every one of those statues actually have traces of paint, sufficient to allow a full reconstruction of that particular statue's color, and did somebody actually do the necessary work to recover all of the ancient colors for each of those statues? I suspect the guy who made the video was making a lot of those colors up, based certainly on some real work that had been done, but to a great extent here on his own imagination.

    Replies: @syonredux

  5. @Lot
    Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I'd be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother's penis.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Desiderius, @Jason Liu, @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere, @SFG, @Opinionator, @James Kabala, @Dennis Dale

    Yeah, the most logical explanation for Donna’s behavior to me is the cognitive dissonance between her love of the classics, her desire to be popular/SJW-compliant, and various alt-righters’ love of the classics.

    Also, fawning over Ancient Rome is atypical Jewish behavior, considering that ancient Romans and Jews were bitter antagonists in two wars, which left Jews without their own state for nearly 2,000 years. So maybe Donna feels some guilt about her love of the classics, and her response is to attack them as an SJW.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    I don't feel much kinship with the ancient Jews the way I do with Israelis. They seem like primative fanatics and losers. Ashkenazi in any event would be roughly equally related to the Ancient Romans as Ancient Jews considering their Levantine male/North Italian female origin.

    Replies: @Sunbeam

    , @Chiron
    @Dave Pinsen

    The relationship between Romans and Jews was more complicated than that, Julius Caesar gave decrees favoring Jews, there is records that many Jews lived in Rome before the destruction of the Temple and they mourned Julius Caesar death more than any other group according to Suetonius.

    Cicero was intimidated by a group of Jews in Rome because he was against Jews exporting gold from the Roman provinces to the Jerusalem Temple (which worked as a central bank).

    Replies: @FPD72, @cynthia curran

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Dave Pinsen

    Donna is a feminist. She is highly intelligent,tho not as smart as Marc. She is drawn to the classics,but resents that women contributed nothing to them.(except as sex symbols.)
    So she wants to take them away from white men. She uses black men to do this. If this or that one was a Negro then white men and women are equally non contributors.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @El Dato

  6. Somehow a guy who created (stole) an electronic bulletin board where people share pictures of their cats doesn’t seem equal to a Roman emperor.

    When he becomes Emperor, um, president, I hope I don’t get fed to lions for posting this. By then it will be possible.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @Buzz Mohawk

    But he may need to pander a little more to become Emperor. Because:


    May 17, 2017
    Mark Zuckerberg Hates Black People

    Black Facebook users are having their accounts banned for speaking out against racism.

    I’ve lost count of how many Black organizers have had their Facebook accounts temporarily or permanently banned for posting content that even remotely challenges white supremacy.

    We’re being banned by actual Facebook employees with glaring racial biases and no understanding of social dynamics or historical context. So the more recognition a post gets, the more likely it will be reported, and the more likely Mark Zuckerberg will personally ban the user, because he literally hates Black people… a lot.

    https://medium.com/@thedididelgado/mark-zuckerberg-hates-black-people-ae65426e3d2a
     
    Plus the article has a great "parody" photograph of Mark as the Harvard Class of 2002's "Most Likely To Hate Black People." Those white Jewish social justice warriors just can't get no respect.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @TheJester
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Facebook is amusing for some of its content ... perhaps for most of its content. I don't use Facebook but maintain an account for family reasons. I get family members' posts and responses (they almost universally involve exchanges among women).

    "What should we name this feral cat?" ... worth 20 replies and 15 likes.

    "What do you think of the decoration on this cake?" ... worth 35 replies and 25 likes.

    "Here's a picture of my baby!" ... worth 42 replies and 37 likes within a mandatory mix of "Beautiful", "What a doll", "See those beautiful blue eyes", "Wow, you must be proud" responses.

    I've read that people can become addicted to getting likes on Facebook. If they don't get their daily fix, they exhibit signs of depression. But, when desperate, they can always fall back on "What should we name this feral cat?" to save their day.

    To think that Mark made billions making all of this possible ...

    I recall an interview with Mark in which he said that he was not a risk for dropping out of Harvard to launch Facebook. His family had resources. He knew he would land on his feet regardless of what he did with his life (perhaps the same can be said of his sister, Donna). I've known a number of "trust fund babies" in my life. Mark reminds me of a "trust fund baby". His shallowness defines him (perhaps the same can be said of his sister, Donna).

    Yes, Mark might be able to buy the Presidency some day. That would not make him unique. The only difference is that he could buy it with his own money instead of using someone else's money.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Beckow
    @Buzz Mohawk


    "guy who created (stole) an electronic bulletin board where people share pictures of their cats doesn’t seem equal to a Roman emperor"
     
    Your overestimate how much most Roman Emperors accomplished. There were a few with a drive, intelligence and fortune to change the world. But most were middling losers, anointed and talentless, with family connections and military muscle at the right place at the right time. 'Fortune', or pure luck, was the key requirement. It was Hollywood-like in its 'meritocracy'. But then it almost always is.

    So Zuck is well within the mean for the people who are elevated. It might be 'cat pictures' today instead of a well placed bodyguard among the Romans, but the same randomness linked with family and tribal connections determines the 'fortune'. They are not the problem, we are.

    , @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I wonder when Facebook will go the way of myspace?

    Replies: @Ivy

  7. I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time

    It’s not likely that she’s even remotely aware of that.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @J1234

    I think there is a very good chance she has read every post about her here as well as the comments. It isn't like she is a busy person with a tough job, amd vanity enjoys negative attention almost as much as positive. Maybe there is a ton of other people writing high traffic blog posts about her, but probably not.

    Replies: @J1234, @Anonymous

    , @Father O'Hara
    @J1234

    I love her with all my heart! But...I doubt if she is even remotely aware of that. Boo boo...

  8. I’m not sure I get the psychoanalysis thing. What did Paleo Retiree talk about in his analysis, if not venting about family members? Something that prevented him from making money?

  9. • Replies: @El Dato
    @syonredux

    Before: "There can be only one!"
    After: "Well, he LOOKED Confederate at the time, officer"

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Joe Stalin
    @syonredux

    Why, this would be just perfect for the Fox TV series "Sleepy Hollow." They should have an episode where all the SJWs attack the Revolutionary War heros statues and the ghosts of the RW white people counterattack by taking over all the Tesla electric vehicles and running them into an Antifata mob.

  10. Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.

    Norman Lear based his most iconic character, Archie Bunker, on his own father. Of course, in the sitcom Archie is a prole WASP, perhaps of Scots-Irish ancestry (Archie’s anti-Catholic bias rules out the possiblity of his being Irish Catholic). Needless to say, he’s not Jewish.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @black sea

    Warren Mitchell, who played Alf Garnett in 'Till Death Do Us Part', was very proudly Jewish, and played Alf as a generic London prole, i.e. the scriptwriter's father ("Speight explained he had originally based Alf on his father, an East End docker who was staunchly reactionary and held "unenlightened" attitudes toward black people"- Wiki) and Archie was based off that, apart from the fanatical devotion to the Monarchy, Churchill, Enoch Powell and West Ham FC, of course.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @NickG
    @black sea

    I thought Archie Bunker was a rip off of the the British 70-90ss sitcom 'Till Death Us Do Part' with Warren Mitchell in the lead roll of Alf Garnett.

    Sample

    Replies: @anonymous, @black sea, @Lurker

    , @Art Deco
    @black sea

    A critic of Lear offered that Archie Bunker belonged in Quincy, Illinois, not in Queens. If you bracket out blacks and Irish Catholics, wage earners descended from pre-1890 immigration streams are an odd minority in Queens, maybe 6% of the population (if that).

    Around the time the program and it's successor went off the air, a newspaper interviewed the woman whose house appears in the opening credits. Well, she said, she got a certain amount of irritating foot traffic from strangers. As for the Archie character, she said, "no one like that ever lived around here".

  11. @Lot
    Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I'd be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother's penis.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Desiderius, @Jason Liu, @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere, @SFG, @Opinionator, @James Kabala, @Dennis Dale

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval

    I’m not getting a guilt/fear vibe.

    More like a feeling her oats/drive them into the sea vibe.

    • Agree: Kylie, Kylie, Kylie
  12. @Lot
    Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I'd be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother's penis.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Desiderius, @Jason Liu, @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere, @SFG, @Opinionator, @James Kabala, @Dennis Dale

    That is the better explanation, as Donna’s case is no different than that of many middle class white female academics.

    Notice how Donna emphasizes feminism in the classics? What does that have to do with history? Not much in terms of scholarship, but it is the underlying ideological link that drives this particular demographic of SJWs.

  13. Ok, this is waaayyy out there, but I thought this could be entertaining and amusing and may offer another additional angle on this discussion, that could potentially explain why the Zuckerbergs seem to love Roman culture so much.

    Some years ago I paid a psychic for a past life reading. She said that in one of my past lives I was Appian of Alexandria:

    Appian of Alexandria (/ˈæpiən/; Greek: Ἀππιανὸς Ἀλεξανδρεύς Appianós Alexandréfs; Latin: Appianus Alexandrinus; c. AD 95 – c. AD 165) was a Greek historian with Roman citizenship who flourished during the reigns of Emperors of Rome Trajan, Hadrian, and Antoninus Pius.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appian

    This is the actual video of the psychic reading she did for me:

    Akashic Record Psychic Past Life Reading For Friend of Trees – Medium Sunshine Rose

  14. I’ve been fascinated with Greek myths and classical civilization since I was in second grade, nearly forty years ago; it sickens me that Mark Zuckerberg, that supernal quintessence and Platonic prototype of a revolting oik, affects to share his betters’ taste.

  15. Why do you care so much about Donna Zuckerburg and her obscure classics blog?

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @SnakeEyes

    Because after she's done retconning Roman history she'll start retconning Greek history.

    , @Wilkey
    @SnakeEyes

    Why do you care so much about Donna Zuckerburg and her obscure classics blog?

    My personal suspicions:

    A) Because she's Mark Zuckerberg but without the personal political ambitions and has less need to worry about offending people. So maybe it's a little bit of an insight into what her brother really believes.

    B) Because since she has more than enough money to fund her rag she is not running it this way to keep her funders happy but because she wants to run it this way.

    My personal suspicions about Mark's claim to love classics (which may very well be genuine): talking about it makes him look a little more well-rounded, and if he really does have political ambitions (as a Democrat, certainly) it makes him sound a lot less derisive of white (gentile) culture than most Democrats sound these days. It also separates him from the low-brow Hollywood sleaze which is so often tightly connected to left-wing politics. Any other politician who spoke of their love of classics would sound elitist. Zuckerberg talking about loving classics actually brings him down to earth a little.

    But his claim that he seriously considered majoring in classics? I believe that as much as I believe Pierre Omidyar's story about launching eBay to help his girlfriend trade Pez dispensers.

  16. @Lot
    Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I'd be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother's penis.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Desiderius, @Jason Liu, @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere, @SFG, @Opinionator, @James Kabala, @Dennis Dale

    Referring to Freud is your choice. One could just as well quote Augustinus on sibling rivalry.

  17. It took years for him to realize that Freudianism wasn’t supposed to be real, it was just a way for Jewish workaholics to vent about their family members for 50 minutes and then get back to making money. Only trusting WASPs like P.R. took it seriously.

    Dumb white people still haven’t outgrown it. Mention that freudianism is pseudoscience to an educated white person of a certain age, and they get really uncomfortable and change the subject.

    I know, I tried it multiple times. Every time they gave me the idea that I was doing something dirty by bringing that up, something disreputable. One old lady got downright nasty.

  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Venting about family members. What about unpersoning them?

    A comedy writer for late night TV:

    Bess Kalb @besskalb
    I’ve been thinking about it and you boys are right, Jews WILL NOT replace you at your jobs as we literally all went to Cornell at minimum.

    The dumbest Jew I know went to Emory and makes $200k a year in sports broadcasting. His parents DO NOT TALK ABOUT HIM.

    So they have a strong in-group preference — but they can afford it, because they are unencumbered by deadwood, because they prune the tree ruthlessly.

    Any way to discern this internal dynamic in their societal behavior?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    A comedy writer for late night TV:

    Bess Kalb @besskalb
    I’ve been thinking about it and you boys are right, Jews WILL NOT replace you at your jobs as we literally all went to Cornell at minimum.

    The dumbest Jew I know went to Emory and makes $200k a year in sports broadcasting. His parents DO NOT TALK ABOUT HIM.
     
    It's curious how Jews willfully misread that "Jews will not replace us" chant as meaning that Jews are going to demographically dominate Anglo-America. In reality, of course, the chant refers to Jewish support for massive levels of non-European immigration......But discussing the "population replacement" topic seems to be verboten.....

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Barnard

  19. @syonredux

    Donna Zuckerberg’s Eidolon mag goes on and on about the “whitewashing” of the Ancient world.

    But here’s a bust restored to its original color scheme, which looks remarkably like her brother’s color scheme.
     
    Call me crazy, but the restored colors don't make the statues look like POC:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dixoeGWkWwM

    Replies: @guest, @Inquiring Mind, @jb

    Stop confusing us with facts!

    Ancient statuary didn’t look like people generally think, and one may by poetic license call it “whitewashing” to keep them uncolored. If “woke” classicist can’t cry “coverup!” and pretend the past was made to appear whiter than it was, what is the world of niche academic journalism coming to? Next thing you know, people will be saying New Colossus isn’t the law of the land.

    Real talk: people are either happily ignorant of the gaudy way the ancients used to adorn things, or they think the ancients had poor taste and prefer the “clean” version beloved of neoclassicism. Whatever point SJW classicist are trying to make, it won’t work. Firstly, because when you add color back in they still look white. Secondly, because they look better with the marbles’ natural color and everybody knows it.

    Even if we discovered the Greeks used to look like a bunch of Wesley Snipeses, ugly painted statues would be a good enough excuse for Dead White Classicists in the Bad Old Days before woke Jewesses took over the field to have hidden it from us.

  20. The thing is, when you have intelligence to spare, like jews in a goy world, you can afford to disregard the difference between reality and fiction. Keeping the two clearly separated is for those who need that crutch. The same people who also can’t afford to play around sexually or financially.

    I think a lot of jewish nonsense like Freudianism is conspicuous consumption for the mind: “look how smart I am! I can spend my life thinking about obviously wrong and nonsensical crap and it doesn’t even hurt me!”

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Lot
    @kihowi

    That is correct and applies to libertarians too.

    , @Desiderius
    @kihowi

    The peacock's tail.

    It doesn't hurt until it does. It's already hurting.

    , @guest
    @kihowi

    There's no inherent reason why conspicuous intellectual consumption has to be consumption of nonsense. Rich people these days spend a lot of money on crap art, for instance, but it wasn't always so. Used to be you could pay a Michelangelo to make you something. But Michelangelo-type stuff isn't fashionable, and it's more expensive to produce, anyway.

    I guess things like modern art or Freud are risks you take believing in fads, because there are many more ways to be wrong than right. For thousands of years Westerners, including ethnic Jews, showed off by being Christians. Which may also have been wrong, but at least it wasn't degenerate and civilizationally destructive.

    There are costs to be considered. The rich don't have to worry as much about misspending money, but they didn't get to be rich, if they ever weren't rich, by being spendthrifts. H.L. Mencken had a funny comment on Thorstein Veblen when he pointed out the latter overlooking the fact that when pretending to be a country gentleman by having a cow graze your front yard, you still have to deal with their droppings.

    I'm very doubtful of your supposed "I'm smarter *because* I'm wrong" motive. If the idea is that they can more afford to be wrong, okay. I agree. But they could get more bang for their buck if everyone thought they were right. If they're more willing to risk being wrong, okay again. But they still want to be proven right at the end.

    Or at least generally they do. There's a strong tendency in ages of decline for the propertied and privileged to go the other way. "Transvaluation of values." Ugly is beautiful and low is high, that sort of thing. Smart people born into modernism or postmodernism unfortunately often enough choose being fashionable over being right. Because what does it benefit them to be right if it means also being a fuddy-duddy? Who cares if Victorians, for instance, were right about this or that. Just look at them: they were kitschy!

    That's the way intellectuals think in every culture, admittedly. But it's more a problem in sick cultures. The sort of cultures that think Freud worthwhile simply because he sounds wrong to the bourgeoisie.

    Replies: @advancedatheist

  21. Thanks for the mention!

    Now, back to keeping a low profile on Facebook …

  22. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    A statue of William Crawford (an officer in the Revolutionary War) has been decapitated:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/25/vandals-decapitate-statue-of-a-revolutionary-war-colonel-in-ohio/


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Crawford_(soldier)

    Replies: @El Dato, @Joe Stalin

    Before: “There can be only one!”
    After: “Well, he LOOKED Confederate at the time, officer”

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @El Dato

    Yeah, the poor statue is like the kid in Colorado who got stabbed because his haircut looked Nazi.

  23. @Dave Pinsen
    @Lot

    Yeah, the most logical explanation for Donna's behavior to me is the cognitive dissonance between her love of the classics, her desire to be popular/SJW-compliant, and various alt-righters' love of the classics.

    Also, fawning over Ancient Rome is atypical Jewish behavior, considering that ancient Romans and Jews were bitter antagonists in two wars, which left Jews without their own state for nearly 2,000 years. So maybe Donna feels some guilt about her love of the classics, and her response is to attack them as an SJW.

    Replies: @Lot, @Chiron, @Father O'Hara

    I don’t feel much kinship with the ancient Jews the way I do with Israelis. They seem like primative fanatics and losers. Ashkenazi in any event would be roughly equally related to the Ancient Romans as Ancient Jews considering their Levantine male/North Italian female origin.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @Lot


    Ashkenazi in any event would be roughly equally related to the Ancient Romans as Ancient Jews considering their Levantine male/North Italian female origin.
     
    That's what the dna analysis tells us. That fact doesn't seem to be particularly interesting to Jews though.

    Has there been much discussion of this among themselves? The view from outside is kind of that they don't care about it at all.

    Not really a genetics person, but if Ashkenazim Jews have what you described as a "Levantine male/North Italian female" forking point, 2/3 or so of Ashkenazim female genes are from Italy. Along with the fact that going back in the chain, it was Italians who taught their daughters to be women along the way. I mean is the overprotective mother thing from Italy? Or it is common in the ME? Or something they came up with themselves?

  24. @kihowi
    The thing is, when you have intelligence to spare, like jews in a goy world, you can afford to disregard the difference between reality and fiction. Keeping the two clearly separated is for those who need that crutch. The same people who also can't afford to play around sexually or financially.

    I think a lot of jewish nonsense like Freudianism is conspicuous consumption for the mind: "look how smart I am! I can spend my life thinking about obviously wrong and nonsensical crap and it doesn't even hurt me!"

    Replies: @Lot, @Desiderius, @guest

    That is correct and applies to libertarians too.

  25. @SnakeEyes
    Why do you care so much about Donna Zuckerburg and her obscure classics blog?

    Replies: @Olorin, @Wilkey

    Because after she’s done retconning Roman history she’ll start retconning Greek history.

  26. @J1234

    I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time
     
    It's not likely that she's even remotely aware of that.

    Replies: @Lot, @Father O'Hara

    I think there is a very good chance she has read every post about her here as well as the comments. It isn’t like she is a busy person with a tough job, amd vanity enjoys negative attention almost as much as positive. Maybe there is a ton of other people writing high traffic blog posts about her, but probably not.

    • Replies: @J1234
    @Lot

    Good points, but academics are often aware of the very rich (especially relations) and the very poor, but not much in between.

    , @Anonymous
    @Lot

    Absolutely:
    "Her book Not All Dead White Men, a study of the reception of Classics in Red Pill communities, is under contract with Harvard University Press."
    Reading this blog is her job.

    And I mean that in a literal and objective sense. It doesn't matter if people right here don't throw around the term "red pill" quite so much. She's using that term in a loose sense, that more "woke" leftists might catch, just as they might catch "alt-right". For them, it sort of means "basket of deplorables", with connotations of being more internet savvy than expected, and more educated than expected.

    I assume she's reading this very comment. Hi, Donna. I welcome your opposition. In my better moments I aspire to be a Nietzschean, and so I want my opponents to be as strong as possible. You are striking at the right target. Strive to do your best. I look forward to reading your book.

  27. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.”

    It’s statements like these that make your blog a joke. How on earth do you have any evidence for this? Or is it just because your “feelings” tell you this is true?

    • Replies: @Hockamaw
    @anon


    It’s statements like these that make your blog a joke. How on earth do you have any evidence for this? Or is it just because your “feelings” tell you this is true?
     
    Found the Jew! It's OK Abe we know you aren't all like that.
  28. @Buzz Mohawk
    Somehow a guy who created (stole) an electronic bulletin board where people share pictures of their cats doesn't seem equal to a Roman emperor.

    When he becomes Emperor, um, president, I hope I don't get fed to lions for posting this. By then it will be possible.

    Replies: @CCZ, @TheJester, @Beckow, @Alden

    But he may need to pander a little more to become Emperor. Because:

    May 17, 2017
    Mark Zuckerberg Hates Black People

    Black Facebook users are having their accounts banned for speaking out against racism.

    I’ve lost count of how many Black organizers have had their Facebook accounts temporarily or permanently banned for posting content that even remotely challenges white supremacy.

    We’re being banned by actual Facebook employees with glaring racial biases and no understanding of social dynamics or historical context. So the more recognition a post gets, the more likely it will be reported, and the more likely Mark Zuckerberg will personally ban the user, because he literally hates Black people… a lot.

    https://medium.com/@thedididelgado/mark-zuckerberg-hates-black-people-ae65426e3d2a

    Plus the article has a great “parody” photograph of Mark as the Harvard Class of 2002’s “Most Likely To Hate Black People.” Those white Jewish social justice warriors just can’t get no respect.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @CCZ

    A lot of those things struck me as being the result of things not being weighted the way the writers wanted. The whole bit where black children weren't a protected class, but whites were, was because they were trying to ban groups that criticized *any* race, but didn't go for compound classes for whatever reason. Pretty much shows you how SJWs work.

    I think he's gotten smarter since then. Not that I expect him to be elected. Dude has no charisma.

  29. Zucc is a completely insignificant person who won the lottery, but his wealth and fame mean an extraordinary number of people very different from him believe he must secretly be or think like them. The truth is that his opinions seem to be the same as his sister’s and utterly conventional in his milieu.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  30. Zuck doesn’t look like Caligula – Caligula was human. Emperor Z-man is a straight up David Icke alien Lizard.

  31. @Hubbub
    I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time, but it couldn’t have been easy growing up as Mark Zuckerberg’s brother.

    Don't you mean sister?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    I think Mr Steve meant to say that you can add Penis Envy to Ms Zuckerberg’s neuroses. Donna clearly wanted to be Donald.

  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve:

    This has nothing to do with race, but is about your blog.

    One of the things that is interesting about you is all the connections that you find, are aware of.

    a. Is there a word for this or some category of people or the like who do this? Is it an old style essayist thing?

    b. Has this always been your style or more lately?

    c. Is it a commonality you have with people like the Freakonomics writer or the Lewis or Gladwell?

    d. Is it something different from the norm or something that everyone has (after being an adult for a while and having some careers, you get some direct or closely Baconish connections to relavent things in the news?

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Anonymous


    a. Is there a word for this or some category of people or the like who do this? Is it an old style essayist thing?
     
    I think the ability to see connections like this boils down significantly to intelligence. Of a certain kind perhaps. Plus being well-read and having a good memory.

    I wonder about the details of Steve's proprietary method for organizing all of the nuggets that he brings to bear. It certainly, like all good writing, must be much harder and more time-consuming than it looks to put together.

    Among the many reasons why I couldn't do what Steve does is that I am too lazy, when I read something that piques my interest or causes me to begin to see a connection, to catalog it.

    James Taranto is another writer who similarly excels in highlighting connections, often between liberals' various follies. He might be even more clever in his aphorisms and anecdotes than Steve, but his scope is not as broad as Steve's. The final item in Best of the Web Today, the WSJ on-line column he used to write, was usually an absurdist tour de force that couldn't have a parallel from the left.
  33. Eidolon seems to be overwhelmingly white, which is totally offensive and not OK.

    https://eidolon.pub/about

  34. @black sea

    Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.


     

    Norman Lear based his most iconic character, Archie Bunker, on his own father. Of course, in the sitcom Archie is a prole WASP, perhaps of Scots-Irish ancestry (Archie's anti-Catholic bias rules out the possiblity of his being Irish Catholic). Needless to say, he's not Jewish.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @NickG, @Art Deco

    Warren Mitchell, who played Alf Garnett in ‘Till Death Do Us Part’, was very proudly Jewish, and played Alf as a generic London prole, i.e. the scriptwriter’s father (“Speight explained he had originally based Alf on his father, an East End docker who was staunchly reactionary and held “unenlightened” attitudes toward black people”- Wiki) and Archie was based off that, apart from the fanatical devotion to the Monarchy, Churchill, Enoch Powell and West Ham FC, of course.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Expletive Deleted

    I think you meant to add that Archie Bunker was directly derived from Alf Garnett.

  35. @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    I don't feel much kinship with the ancient Jews the way I do with Israelis. They seem like primative fanatics and losers. Ashkenazi in any event would be roughly equally related to the Ancient Romans as Ancient Jews considering their Levantine male/North Italian female origin.

    Replies: @Sunbeam

    Ashkenazi in any event would be roughly equally related to the Ancient Romans as Ancient Jews considering their Levantine male/North Italian female origin.

    That’s what the dna analysis tells us. That fact doesn’t seem to be particularly interesting to Jews though.

    Has there been much discussion of this among themselves? The view from outside is kind of that they don’t care about it at all.

    Not really a genetics person, but if Ashkenazim Jews have what you described as a “Levantine male/North Italian female” forking point, 2/3 or so of Ashkenazim female genes are from Italy. Along with the fact that going back in the chain, it was Italians who taught their daughters to be women along the way. I mean is the overprotective mother thing from Italy? Or it is common in the ME? Or something they came up with themselves?

  36. @Dave Pinsen
    @Lot

    Yeah, the most logical explanation for Donna's behavior to me is the cognitive dissonance between her love of the classics, her desire to be popular/SJW-compliant, and various alt-righters' love of the classics.

    Also, fawning over Ancient Rome is atypical Jewish behavior, considering that ancient Romans and Jews were bitter antagonists in two wars, which left Jews without their own state for nearly 2,000 years. So maybe Donna feels some guilt about her love of the classics, and her response is to attack them as an SJW.

    Replies: @Lot, @Chiron, @Father O'Hara

    The relationship between Romans and Jews was more complicated than that, Julius Caesar gave decrees favoring Jews, there is records that many Jews lived in Rome before the destruction of the Temple and they mourned Julius Caesar death more than any other group according to Suetonius.

    Cicero was intimidated by a group of Jews in Rome because he was against Jews exporting gold from the Roman provinces to the Jerusalem Temple (which worked as a central bank).

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Chiron

    According to the Roman historian Suetonius, Emperor Claudius expelled Jews from Rome in AD 50 because of Jewish rioting instigated by a figure Suetonius identified as "Chrestus." Many scholars understand "Chrestus" to be Christ, who was the subject of the disturbances, not the instigator.

    , @cynthia curran
    @Chiron

    Its Heriod's daddy Antipater that helped Caesar in the Alexandrian World that Jews got a good deal with Caesar. As for Zack, I knew lots of liberal folks that like Roman history like some conservative folks like Victor Hansen like ancient Greece.

  37. @J1234

    I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time
     
    It's not likely that she's even remotely aware of that.

    Replies: @Lot, @Father O'Hara

    I love her with all my heart! But…I doubt if she is even remotely aware of that. Boo boo…

  38. Y’know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come…..but then I read her tweet on poetry ‘n’ shit:

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Ragno

    What kind of reality do we live in?

    Replies: @Ragno

    , @El Dato
    @Ragno

    Robo-Eichmann created from 100% ethical Facebook AI modules laughs at this delusion.

    , @Barnard
    @Ragno

    I doubt it speak to her in the sense of making her want to actually get pregnant and have children. It is simply a metaphor for how much she hates white men.

    , @Sunbeam
    @Ragno

    What do you think the odds are that Ms. Zuckerberg has a baby by a black man?

    If her sperm donor isn't jewish, my money's on asian.

    Also be interesting to find out how "genders to outnumber the stars" works reproductively.

    Seriously did the poem writer think about this? At all? How many genders could you plausibly come up with? If you think that way I guess.

    , @DFH
    @Ragno

    Why would a Nazi be bothered by a Jewish women's micegenation?

    Replies: @Lot

  39. @anon
    "Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole."

    It's statements like these that make your blog a joke. How on earth do you have any evidence for this? Or is it just because your "feelings" tell you this is true?

    Replies: @Hockamaw

    It’s statements like these that make your blog a joke. How on earth do you have any evidence for this? Or is it just because your “feelings” tell you this is true?

    Found the Jew! It’s OK Abe we know you aren’t all like that.

  40. @Dave Pinsen
    @Lot

    Yeah, the most logical explanation for Donna's behavior to me is the cognitive dissonance between her love of the classics, her desire to be popular/SJW-compliant, and various alt-righters' love of the classics.

    Also, fawning over Ancient Rome is atypical Jewish behavior, considering that ancient Romans and Jews were bitter antagonists in two wars, which left Jews without their own state for nearly 2,000 years. So maybe Donna feels some guilt about her love of the classics, and her response is to attack them as an SJW.

    Replies: @Lot, @Chiron, @Father O'Hara

    Donna is a feminist. She is highly intelligent,tho not as smart as Marc. She is drawn to the classics,but resents that women contributed nothing to them.(except as sex symbols.)
    So she wants to take them away from white men. She uses black men to do this. If this or that one was a Negro then white men and women are equally non contributors.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Father O'Hara

    She is drawn to the classics,but resents that women contributed nothing to them.(except as sex symbols.)

    Could she as easily be resentful because Jews contributed nothing to them?

    , @El Dato
    @Father O'Hara

    So are there addies for Blacked.com in Eidolon Mag?

  41. @syonredux

    Donna Zuckerberg’s Eidolon mag goes on and on about the “whitewashing” of the Ancient world.

    But here’s a bust restored to its original color scheme, which looks remarkably like her brother’s color scheme.
     
    Call me crazy, but the restored colors don't make the statues look like POC:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dixoeGWkWwM

    Replies: @guest, @Inquiring Mind, @jb

    The colors make Hermes look gay, Athena the TA for that Women’s Studies class your advisor made you take to satisfy a breadth requirement, and as for Hera, Goddess of Marriage, is that why Greek men would pass from this life before their wives did — because they wanted to ?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Inquiring Mind


    The colors make Hermes look gay, Athena the TA for that Women’s Studies class your advisor made you take to satisfy a breadth requirement, and as for Hera, Goddess of Marriage, is that why Greek men would pass from this life before their wives did — because they wanted to ?
     
    Yeah. Although the restored colors don't make the statues look less White, they do make them look ultra-tacky.....
  42. Anonymous [AKA "Jfkfj"] says:

    I remember Steve making a similar argument about First Wave Feminism being Jewish daughters’ resentment for their families’ favoring and promoting their sons’ ambitions.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anonymous

    That'd be Second Wave (and I'd say that had a lot to do with it, though larger social factors such as a large pool of women going to college, the desire of corporations to get more workers and drive down wages, and a general turn to the left after WW2 had a lot to do with it too). First Wave was suffragettes.

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    He got that wrong, then. Look at photos! Friedan, Firestone, even the Cosmo gal. They were simply ugly. Envy, of their better-looking neighbors. Let's make the feminine ones unsatisfied. Othello provides the plot.

    , @Jake
    @Anonymous

    Did Gloria Steinem have a brother her father promoted?

    If I have the correct Feminist, Gloria Steinem's mother was insane and Gloria blamed her father for at least making her mother worse.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Laugh Track
    @Anonymous


    I remember Steve making a similar argument about First Wave Feminism being Jewish daughters’ resentment for their families’ favoring and promoting their sons’ ambitions.
     
    As SFG noted, it's Second Wave Feminism you are talking about. That aside, though, having lived through the rise of Radical Feminism in the late 60's and beyond, it always seemed to me to arise from female (largely Jewish) leftists' resentment of male (largely Jewish) leftists hogging the spotlight and relegating their girlfriends to running the mimeographs and making sandwiches.

    See Marge Piercy's "The Grand Coolie Damn":

    http://www.feministezine.com/feminist/modern/The-Grand-Coolie-Damn.html
  43. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @El Dato, @Barnard, @Sunbeam, @DFH

    What kind of reality do we live in?

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @Daniel Chieh

    Clearly, one as "intersectional as fuck". Whatever that means, exactly; search me.

  44. @black sea

    Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.


     

    Norman Lear based his most iconic character, Archie Bunker, on his own father. Of course, in the sitcom Archie is a prole WASP, perhaps of Scots-Irish ancestry (Archie's anti-Catholic bias rules out the possiblity of his being Irish Catholic). Needless to say, he's not Jewish.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @NickG, @Art Deco

    I thought Archie Bunker was a rip off of the the British 70-90ss sitcom ‘Till Death Us Do Part’ with Warren Mitchell in the lead roll of Alf Garnett.

    Sample

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @NickG

    It was--from "A" to "Zed."

    , @black sea
    @NickG

    Norman Lear has discussed this in various venues; here is a brief clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oSCcfVVI1E

    , @Lurker
    @NickG

    Not a rip off, Norman Lear bought the rights to 'Till Death Us Do Part'. The general set up of the character and his family seem pretty similar but whether any specific scripts or stories from the original were re-used/re-written I don't know.

  45. @Lot
    Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I'd be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother's penis.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Desiderius, @Jason Liu, @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere, @SFG, @Opinionator, @James Kabala, @Dennis Dale

    Re guilt and altruism: as Steve says, sometimes the simplest explanations are the best. The lady dug the classics, but they’re not PC, so the way around it is the whole feminist thing. You have to ‘detoxify’ the Dead White Males somehow, and the way to do that now is the whole feminist thing if you’re a white (parentheses optional) woman. Mark, not belonging to a victim class, had to get a real job.

    Mark’s love for Rome isn’t too hard to figure out. Dude wanted to run an empire, and did the closest thing his time and era would let him. Even if he was of a martial personality type (which he clearly is not) the best he could hope for would be some slot commanding an army somewhere in the South China Sea under the command of some tribune of the people or Party, depending on which side he was born on.

  46. @Father O'Hara
    @Dave Pinsen

    Donna is a feminist. She is highly intelligent,tho not as smart as Marc. She is drawn to the classics,but resents that women contributed nothing to them.(except as sex symbols.)
    So she wants to take them away from white men. She uses black men to do this. If this or that one was a Negro then white men and women are equally non contributors.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @El Dato

    She is drawn to the classics,but resents that women contributed nothing to them.(except as sex symbols.)

    Could she as easily be resentful because Jews contributed nothing to them?

  47. @Anonymous
    I remember Steve making a similar argument about First Wave Feminism being Jewish daughters' resentment for their families' favoring and promoting their sons' ambitions.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anon, @Jake, @Laugh Track

    That’d be Second Wave (and I’d say that had a lot to do with it, though larger social factors such as a large pool of women going to college, the desire of corporations to get more workers and drive down wages, and a general turn to the left after WW2 had a lot to do with it too). First Wave was suffragettes.

  48. • Replies: @Ivy
    @Mr. Anon

    Reverse mortgage scams will be a growth industry. All that Boomer equity locked up and needing to be freed to pay fees, expenses and the occasional emolument, what could go wrong! A trillion here, a trillion there, now you're talking about real money and not that Everett Dirksen pocket change.

    Wait until Grandma is foreclosed on and evicted to a life of pushing around a shopping cart. That might get a headline or two. Such lurid imagery will become more commonplace, just as homelessness has become part of the literal landscape. There must be a subprimey angle somewhere to juice the returns, even if the presence of purported equity would argue against that. With that much untapped money available, the fine minds on Wall Street must be working away on solutions and bonus plans.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  49. @Lot
    Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I'd be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother's penis.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Desiderius, @Jason Liu, @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere, @SFG, @Opinionator, @James Kabala, @Dennis Dale

    A simpler explanation:

    She is fearful and envious of goyim.

  50. Meanwhile LOLZ in racist Switzerland of all things:

    ‘Destroy Christians’ hate imam claimed Swiss social benefits for 13yrs – investigator to RT

    “imam-a-claiming benefits from the dhimmies”

    That guy pulled in more benefits than I did working. Mad skillz.

  51. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    A statue of William Crawford (an officer in the Revolutionary War) has been decapitated:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/25/vandals-decapitate-statue-of-a-revolutionary-war-colonel-in-ohio/


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Crawford_(soldier)

    Replies: @El Dato, @Joe Stalin

    Why, this would be just perfect for the Fox TV series “Sleepy Hollow.” They should have an episode where all the SJWs attack the Revolutionary War heros statues and the ghosts of the RW white people counterattack by taking over all the Tesla electric vehicles and running them into an Antifata mob.

  52. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @El Dato, @Barnard, @Sunbeam, @DFH

    Robo-Eichmann created from 100% ethical Facebook AI modules laughs at this delusion.

  53. @CCZ
    @Buzz Mohawk

    But he may need to pander a little more to become Emperor. Because:


    May 17, 2017
    Mark Zuckerberg Hates Black People

    Black Facebook users are having their accounts banned for speaking out against racism.

    I’ve lost count of how many Black organizers have had their Facebook accounts temporarily or permanently banned for posting content that even remotely challenges white supremacy.

    We’re being banned by actual Facebook employees with glaring racial biases and no understanding of social dynamics or historical context. So the more recognition a post gets, the more likely it will be reported, and the more likely Mark Zuckerberg will personally ban the user, because he literally hates Black people… a lot.

    https://medium.com/@thedididelgado/mark-zuckerberg-hates-black-people-ae65426e3d2a
     
    Plus the article has a great "parody" photograph of Mark as the Harvard Class of 2002's "Most Likely To Hate Black People." Those white Jewish social justice warriors just can't get no respect.

    Replies: @SFG

    A lot of those things struck me as being the result of things not being weighted the way the writers wanted. The whole bit where black children weren’t a protected class, but whites were, was because they were trying to ban groups that criticized *any* race, but didn’t go for compound classes for whatever reason. Pretty much shows you how SJWs work.

    I think he’s gotten smarter since then. Not that I expect him to be elected. Dude has no charisma.

  54. @Buzz Mohawk
    Somehow a guy who created (stole) an electronic bulletin board where people share pictures of their cats doesn't seem equal to a Roman emperor.

    When he becomes Emperor, um, president, I hope I don't get fed to lions for posting this. By then it will be possible.

    Replies: @CCZ, @TheJester, @Beckow, @Alden

    Facebook is amusing for some of its content … perhaps for most of its content. I don’t use Facebook but maintain an account for family reasons. I get family members’ posts and responses (they almost universally involve exchanges among women).

    “What should we name this feral cat?” … worth 20 replies and 15 likes.

    “What do you think of the decoration on this cake?” … worth 35 replies and 25 likes.

    “Here’s a picture of my baby!” … worth 42 replies and 37 likes within a mandatory mix of “Beautiful”, “What a doll”, “See those beautiful blue eyes”, “Wow, you must be proud” responses.

    I’ve read that people can become addicted to getting likes on Facebook. If they don’t get their daily fix, they exhibit signs of depression. But, when desperate, they can always fall back on “What should we name this feral cat?” to save their day.

    To think that Mark made billions making all of this possible …

    I recall an interview with Mark in which he said that he was not a risk for dropping out of Harvard to launch Facebook. His family had resources. He knew he would land on his feet regardless of what he did with his life (perhaps the same can be said of his sister, Donna). I’ve known a number of “trust fund babies” in my life. Mark reminds me of a “trust fund baby”. His shallowness defines him (perhaps the same can be said of his sister, Donna).

    Yes, Mark might be able to buy the Presidency some day. That would not make him unique. The only difference is that he could buy it with his own money instead of using someone else’s money.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @TheJester

    The Zuckerbergs' parents are highly prosperous but not massively rich. Dad is a dentist (although he's likely one of the higher earning dentists in the country -- he's an outstanding small businessman). Grandpa on the paternal side worked for the Post Office. Mom was a psychiatrist, but then quit to be a stay at home mom. (I'd guess she probably has some family money on her side, but not necessarily a huge amount.)

    The four Zuckerberg kids probably expected to inherit a few million each in their 40s or 50s, which is very nice but not immense.

    Anyway, the Zuckerberg nuclear family seems like a very fine model of traditional values: mom chose to be a housewife and have four children despite excellent career opportunities, dad continues to work hard at an honorable career despite no doubt now being immensely wealthy from appreciation of stock he bought early in his son's company, etc.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  55. @Father O'Hara
    @Dave Pinsen

    Donna is a feminist. She is highly intelligent,tho not as smart as Marc. She is drawn to the classics,but resents that women contributed nothing to them.(except as sex symbols.)
    So she wants to take them away from white men. She uses black men to do this. If this or that one was a Negro then white men and women are equally non contributors.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @El Dato

    So are there addies for Blacked.com in Eidolon Mag?

  56. It must be tough being a member of The Chosen, knowing that so many of your tribe have rejected The One who conferred that title in the first place.

  57. @SnakeEyes
    Why do you care so much about Donna Zuckerburg and her obscure classics blog?

    Replies: @Olorin, @Wilkey

    Why do you care so much about Donna Zuckerburg and her obscure classics blog?

    My personal suspicions:

    A) Because she’s Mark Zuckerberg but without the personal political ambitions and has less need to worry about offending people. So maybe it’s a little bit of an insight into what her brother really believes.

    B) Because since she has more than enough money to fund her rag she is not running it this way to keep her funders happy but because she wants to run it this way.

    My personal suspicions about Mark’s claim to love classics (which may very well be genuine): talking about it makes him look a little more well-rounded, and if he really does have political ambitions (as a Democrat, certainly) it makes him sound a lot less derisive of white (gentile) culture than most Democrats sound these days. It also separates him from the low-brow Hollywood sleaze which is so often tightly connected to left-wing politics. Any other politician who spoke of their love of classics would sound elitist. Zuckerberg talking about loving classics actually brings him down to earth a little.

    But his claim that he seriously considered majoring in classics? I believe that as much as I believe Pierre Omidyar’s story about launching eBay to help his girlfriend trade Pez dispensers.

  58. @NickG
    @black sea

    I thought Archie Bunker was a rip off of the the British 70-90ss sitcom 'Till Death Us Do Part' with Warren Mitchell in the lead roll of Alf Garnett.

    Sample

    Replies: @anonymous, @black sea, @Lurker

    It was–from “A” to “Zed.”

  59. @Anonymous
    I remember Steve making a similar argument about First Wave Feminism being Jewish daughters' resentment for their families' favoring and promoting their sons' ambitions.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anon, @Jake, @Laugh Track

    He got that wrong, then. Look at photos! Friedan, Firestone, even the Cosmo gal. They were simply ugly. Envy, of their better-looking neighbors. Let’s make the feminine ones unsatisfied. Othello provides the plot.

  60. It took years for him to realize that Freudianism wasn’t supposed to be real, it was just a way for Jewish workaholics to vent about their family members for 50 minutes and then get back to making money. Only trusting WASPs like P.R. took it seriously. Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.

    Kevin McDonald has evidently persuaded everyone associated with VDARE to talk like idiots.

    • Agree: IHTG
    • Replies: @Jake
    @Art Deco

    No sense of humor?

    Perhaps you can instruct us on how to see Freudianism. Be certain to make central your knowledge that ole Siggy absolutely despised his father for being a vile hypocrite and acquisition-worshiping whore, as well as that Siggy certainly wished to replace Moses.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @James Kabala

    , @utu
    @Art Deco


    http://www.chronicle.com/article/Freuds-Visit-to-Clark-U/48424/
    One hundred years ago, Sigmund Freud arrived in the United States on his first and only visit. As the George Washington pulled into New York Harbor, he supposedly remarked to Carl Jung, who accompanied him, “They don’t realize that we are bringing them the plague.”
     
    Did Freud read Kevin McDonald as well?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch

    , @Dennis Dale
    @Art Deco

    Not that a factual basis would make that one-liner work, but if you'd read MacDonald you'd know he makes none of those claims. You might also figure out it's hardly necessary. The critique is plenty damning without that level of speculation about individual motives.

  61. Commentary like this makes me wonder how much the people who run the Southern Poverty Law Center would love to see Steve Sailer accidentally be murdered by some poor blacks who’d been driven to righteous rage by the history of racism.

    As for the Zuck and his fascination with Rome: you can bet your last penny is primarily because he would love to hold all the power of a Nero in his hand and be able to wave his fingers and know that a million were killed and ten million enslaved.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jake

    how much the people who run the Southern Poverty Law Center would love to see Steve Sailer accidentally be murdered by some poor blacks who’d been driven to righteous rage by the history of racism.

    Likely would not help their buckraking, which is the name-of-the-game for them. The media protected the $PLC from fallout when one of their followers tried to murder an employee of the Family Research Council, and would likely do so again, so it likely would not hurt much, either.

  62. @Art Deco
    It took years for him to realize that Freudianism wasn’t supposed to be real, it was just a way for Jewish workaholics to vent about their family members for 50 minutes and then get back to making money. Only trusting WASPs like P.R. took it seriously. Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.

    Kevin McDonald has evidently persuaded everyone associated with VDARE to talk like idiots.

    Replies: @Jake, @utu, @Dennis Dale

    No sense of humor?

    Perhaps you can instruct us on how to see Freudianism. Be certain to make central your knowledge that ole Siggy absolutely despised his father for being a vile hypocrite and acquisition-worshiping whore, as well as that Siggy certainly wished to replace Moses.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jake

    Perhaps you can instruct us on how to see Freudianism.

    As a failed research programme and a failed clinical practice, which is what it actually is. Psychosurgery is another failed programme. My great-grandmother had all sorts of treatments for rheumatoid arthritis in the 1920s which aren't followed anymore either.

    , @James Kabala
    @Jake

    Art Deco sometimes buries his points in needlessly abusive language, but I agree with him that it is a safe bet that Freud and most Freudian psychologists actually believed their theories. I am not exactly a Freud expert, so feel free to offer evidence to the contrary, but Steve's statement seems pretty extreme.

  63. @Inquiring Mind
    @syonredux

    The colors make Hermes look gay, Athena the TA for that Women's Studies class your advisor made you take to satisfy a breadth requirement, and as for Hera, Goddess of Marriage, is that why Greek men would pass from this life before their wives did -- because they wanted to ?

    Replies: @syonredux

    The colors make Hermes look gay, Athena the TA for that Women’s Studies class your advisor made you take to satisfy a breadth requirement, and as for Hera, Goddess of Marriage, is that why Greek men would pass from this life before their wives did — because they wanted to ?

    Yeah. Although the restored colors don’t make the statues look less White, they do make them look ultra-tacky…..

  64. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @El Dato, @Barnard, @Sunbeam, @DFH

    I doubt it speak to her in the sense of making her want to actually get pregnant and have children. It is simply a metaphor for how much she hates white men.

  65. @Anonymous
    Venting about family members. What about unpersoning them?

    A comedy writer for late night TV:


    Bess Kalb @besskalb
    I've been thinking about it and you boys are right, Jews WILL NOT replace you at your jobs as we literally all went to Cornell at minimum.

    The dumbest Jew I know went to Emory and makes $200k a year in sports broadcasting. His parents DO NOT TALK ABOUT HIM.
     

    So they have a strong in-group preference -- but they can afford it, because they are unencumbered by deadwood, because they prune the tree ruthlessly.

    Any way to discern this internal dynamic in their societal behavior?

    Replies: @syonredux

    A comedy writer for late night TV:

    Bess Kalb @besskalb
    I’ve been thinking about it and you boys are right, Jews WILL NOT replace you at your jobs as we literally all went to Cornell at minimum.

    The dumbest Jew I know went to Emory and makes $200k a year in sports broadcasting. His parents DO NOT TALK ABOUT HIM.

    It’s curious how Jews willfully misread that “Jews will not replace us” chant as meaning that Jews are going to demographically dominate Anglo-America. In reality, of course, the chant refers to Jewish support for massive levels of non-European immigration……But discussing the “population replacement” topic seems to be verboten…..

    • Agree: EriK
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    It’s curious how Jews willfully misread that “Jews will not replace us”

    What gave you the idea that aught but a tiny minority are familiar with the slogan?

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Barnard
    @syonredux

    I assume the average Jew is unaware of Bill Krisol's comments at AEI about wanting to replace working class Americans with low skilled, third world immigrants. It isn't hard to find what they mean if you look for it, but they don't want to understand.

  66. @black sea

    Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.


     

    Norman Lear based his most iconic character, Archie Bunker, on his own father. Of course, in the sitcom Archie is a prole WASP, perhaps of Scots-Irish ancestry (Archie's anti-Catholic bias rules out the possiblity of his being Irish Catholic). Needless to say, he's not Jewish.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @NickG, @Art Deco

    A critic of Lear offered that Archie Bunker belonged in Quincy, Illinois, not in Queens. If you bracket out blacks and Irish Catholics, wage earners descended from pre-1890 immigration streams are an odd minority in Queens, maybe 6% of the population (if that).

    Around the time the program and it’s successor went off the air, a newspaper interviewed the woman whose house appears in the opening credits. Well, she said, she got a certain amount of irritating foot traffic from strangers. As for the Archie character, she said, “no one like that ever lived around here”.

  67. @Anonymous
    I remember Steve making a similar argument about First Wave Feminism being Jewish daughters' resentment for their families' favoring and promoting their sons' ambitions.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anon, @Jake, @Laugh Track

    Did Gloria Steinem have a brother her father promoted?

    If I have the correct Feminist, Gloria Steinem’s mother was insane and Gloria blamed her father for at least making her mother worse.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jake

    Gloria Steinem had a sister. Her sister and brother-in-law financed her schooling.

    Steinem spent a number of years living just with her mother, with an uncle nearby looking in on them. Her mother wasn't insane, just a dysfunctional mess (attended to by a doctor who prescribed her tranquilizers). Steinem's brief memoir on her mother ("Ruth's Song, Because She Could Not Sing It") does not blame her father for her mother's condition. Steinem's rather disrespectful of her father in other brief biographical accounts, but mostly re his improvidence, impracticality, and failure as a provider.

  68. Eric Cantor was very supportive of the mass immigration enthusiasm of billionaire Mark Zuckerberg. That may have been why Dave Brat beat Cantor in a GOP primary.

    Steve Sailer noticed this in 2014:

    For example, the obscure economics professor David Brat defeated House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) last week, in part by denouncing the incumbent’s alliance with Facebook zillionaire Mark Zuckerberg to pound down the salaries of American computer programmers with higher H-1B visa quotas.

    http://takimag.com/article/a_blind_spot_full_of_billionaires_steve_sailer/print#axzz4qsDx4ffv

    Mark Zuckerberg must be politically crushed. Zuckerberg has spent big money pushing mass immigration. Zuckerberg is rabidly anti-White

    Steve Sailer should continue to focus on the doings of the Zuckerbergs.

  69. @NickG
    @black sea

    I thought Archie Bunker was a rip off of the the British 70-90ss sitcom 'Till Death Us Do Part' with Warren Mitchell in the lead roll of Alf Garnett.

    Sample

    Replies: @anonymous, @black sea, @Lurker

    Norman Lear has discussed this in various venues; here is a brief clip:

  70. I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time, but it couldn’t have been easy growing up as Mark Zuckerberg’s sister.

    It’s an intact 4-child family, one brother, 3 sisters. My mother grew up in a household with precisely the same configuration, and, no, it wasn’t difficult being her brother’s sister (for her or either of her sisters). What gives with this ‘it couldn’t have been…’. Larry Ellison has a reputation for being a monster, Steve Jobs had a reputation for being difficult and unpleasant in most settings, and Bill Gates has had a reputation for being rude to subordinates (though not family members). Is Zuckerberg like that at all?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Art Deco

    "Is Zuckerberg like that at all?"

    Well, he certainly doesn't come across as a pleasant person. And all that money must have gone over his head.

  71. When you really think about it, Mark Zuckerberg is a victim of society.

    Maybe so, but now society has come to be a victim of Mark Zuckerberg.

    • Agree: advancedatheist
    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Mark Caplan

    The victim of society trope shows up in various movies, including the Animal House student court scene. The Delta House guys walked out of the court, but got to hear Dean Wormer mention that their student draft deferments were now void, and the local draft boards would be notified. There was a hint of some semblance of consequences, unlike modern times.

    http://www.break.com/topics/animal-house-movie-court-scene/

    The later scene with the futile and stupid gesture and we're just the guys to do it provided a hint of current activism, and then a parade was involved.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h4DZeBleLs

  72. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    A comedy writer for late night TV:

    Bess Kalb @besskalb
    I’ve been thinking about it and you boys are right, Jews WILL NOT replace you at your jobs as we literally all went to Cornell at minimum.

    The dumbest Jew I know went to Emory and makes $200k a year in sports broadcasting. His parents DO NOT TALK ABOUT HIM.
     
    It's curious how Jews willfully misread that "Jews will not replace us" chant as meaning that Jews are going to demographically dominate Anglo-America. In reality, of course, the chant refers to Jewish support for massive levels of non-European immigration......But discussing the "population replacement" topic seems to be verboten.....

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Barnard

    It’s curious how Jews willfully misread that “Jews will not replace us”

    What gave you the idea that aught but a tiny minority are familiar with the slogan?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    It’s curious how Jews willfully misread that “Jews will not replace us”

    What gave you the idea that aught but a tiny minority are familiar with the slogan?
     
    Perhaps of the Jewish American population as a whole, it's a "tiny minority"......But, from what I've seen, a huge chunk of the Jewish Commentariat are very aware of the chant.
  73. @Daniel Chieh
    @Ragno

    What kind of reality do we live in?

    Replies: @Ragno

    Clearly, one as “intersectional as fuck”. Whatever that means, exactly; search me.

  74. I own several introductory college textbooks about human sexuality. They usually have a chapter about the history of sex research, and while they devote a few paragraphs to Freud because of his historical importance, they consider him a lesser figure these days in understanding human sexuality, compared to the people who conducted empirical studies like John B. Watson, Alfred Kinsey and Masters & Johnson.

  75. Others think Zuck looks like Caligula.

    Please don’t go there.

  76. @syonredux

    Donna Zuckerberg’s Eidolon mag goes on and on about the “whitewashing” of the Ancient world.

    But here’s a bust restored to its original color scheme, which looks remarkably like her brother’s color scheme.
     
    Call me crazy, but the restored colors don't make the statues look like POC:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dixoeGWkWwM

    Replies: @guest, @Inquiring Mind, @jb

    That was a really interesting video, but I’d be a lot happier if there had been some explanation of where the colors had come from. Did every one of those statues actually have traces of paint, sufficient to allow a full reconstruction of that particular statue’s color, and did somebody actually do the necessary work to recover all of the ancient colors for each of those statues? I suspect the guy who made the video was making a lot of those colors up, based certainly on some real work that had been done, but to a great extent here on his own imagination.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @jb


    That was a really interesting video, but I’d be a lot happier if there had been some explanation of where the colors had come from. Did every one of those statues actually have traces of paint,
     
    That's my understanding. The "colorized" versions are based on traces of pigment that have been detected on the originals

    No longer; German archaeologist Vinzenz Brinkmann is on a mission. Armed with high-intensity lamps, ultraviolet light, cameras, plaster casts and jars of costly powdered minerals, he has spent the past quarter century trying to revive the peacock glory that was Greece. He has dramatized his scholarly findings by creating full-scale plaster or marble copies hand-painted in the same mineral and organic pigments used by the ancients: green from malachite, blue from azurite, yellow and ocher from arsenic compounds, red from cinnabar, black from burned bone and vine.

    Call them gaudy, call them garish, his scrupulous color reconstructions made their debut in 2003 at the Glyptothek museum in Munich, which is devoted to Greek and Roman statuary. Displayed side by side with the placid antiquities of that fabled collection, the replicas shocked and dazzled those who came to see them. As Time magazine summed up the response, "The exhibition forces you to look at ancient sculpture in a totally new way."
     
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/true-colors-17888/
  77. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @El Dato, @Barnard, @Sunbeam, @DFH

    What do you think the odds are that Ms. Zuckerberg has a baby by a black man?

    If her sperm donor isn’t jewish, my money’s on asian.

    Also be interesting to find out how “genders to outnumber the stars” works reproductively.

    Seriously did the poem writer think about this? At all? How many genders could you plausibly come up with? If you think that way I guess.

  78. Off-topic,

    SJWs and POC still don’t like Taylor Swift:

    In contrast, others are identifying it as the pop-star blatantly doubling down on her “Old Taylor”-ness, retreating into the familiar role of victim, and adopting the language/imagery of female empowerment for her own brand. Once a snake, always a snake. Vulture called the single “dead on arrival” and many were quick to point out similarities to Beyoncé Lemonade, which no mortal creature can live up to.

    No, I don’t believe that Swift’s team purposefully planned the album release on the 10th anniversary of Kanye’s mother Donda West’s death (though that is definitely a huge PR flub that shouldn’t have happened), though “I don’t like your little games / Don’t like your tilted stage” and “The role you made me play: of the fool/ No, I don’t like you” are clear references to the rapper and Kardashian.

    While the track is mostly underwhelming, as are the brief visuals we saw accompanying it, it was still met with a huge reaction online. The controversy around Swift and her feuds is, in one sense, a typical kind of Hollywood gossip—these stories get tons and tons of clicks because people love the drama (“Another day, another drama, drama”). However, it also lies in a larger conversation about how the singer often wields her white womanhood. Whether you are a fan or not, Swift is a hugely influential figure who inserts herself in these larger conversations about female representation and feminism

    Public figures are—both fairly and unfairly—scrutinized more because of the influence they hold. Swift has been highly criticized for using feminism as a marketing tool, staying mostly silent during the election, and manipulating the press through victimhood. In the case with Kanye, it felt especially sinister how the entire situation fit into the mold of “scary black man bullies white girl.” (I reommend this Buzzfeed article, which is a detailed, and in-depth dive into how Swift’s career has often played on the projection of victimhood.)

    https://www.themarysue.com/taylor-swift-look-what-you-made-me-do/

    • Replies: @DFH
    @syonredux


    In the case with Kanye, it felt especially sinister how the entire situation fit into the mold of “scary black man bullies white girl
     
    This is an insane way to view the world. Instead of taking prima facie counter-evidence to your ideology as something that at least requires explanation, the fact that the evidence is contradicted by ideology is a reason that something must be wrong with the evidence (even in the abence of any actual reason for doubting it, which is what 'sinister' amounts to).

    Also this article is just another example of the hatred of non-white women for pretty white women, and their (at least the asians/indians') use of intersectional feminism to express it.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Jack Hanson
    @syonredux

    Over the top accolade for Beyonce is a huge tell for self hating white SJW.

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @syonredux

    Is it already the tenth anniversary of Kanye's mother's death? It snuck up on me. Oh well, I would say the take away next time is don't select your plastic surgeons based on skin color. For reference, see Bakke Decision.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Ivy

    , @Perplexed
    @syonredux

    But West did bully Swift: He commandeered the stage when she got an award, he (though married) said they might have sex, he said he made her famous, he called her a bitch, and he put a representation of her naked in a bed with him (and others). Miscegenation would have destroyed her brand.

    I'm surprised it took her so long to call him out.

  79. Hey, I wear my hair like that (to the extent that I still have it anyway). The Augustus do — shortish hair combed in whatever direction it wants to go anyway — is a very natural low-maintenance white guy look. What’s not to like?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jb

    Augustus: a busy man.

    Replies: @syonredux

  80. This isn’t going to do much for your fans who say that Ashkenazi Jews didn’t come from the Mediterranean

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    This isn’t going to do much for your fans who say that Ashkenazi Jews didn’t come from the Mediterranean
     
    You mean the "Khazar Hypothesis?" That's been thoroughly demolished:

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.

    To sum up, their model is that a population from the Levant mixed with Italians, and shortly thereafter moved to the Rhineland (the founding bottleneck), perhaps mixing to some degree with the local Europeans there, and certainly mixing some with Slavic types when they moved to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  81. Progressive as Romanophile is in vogue. Western feminists (e.g. JK Rowling) have rallied around Mary Beard and her Roman – Britain – as diverse – utopia cartoons. Weird, Dunkirk in theatres, that Rome is the preferred metaphor for Progressives i.e. Mussolini, inspiration to a young Hitler, believed in a revived Roman Empire. Feminists as today’s Brownshirts? (University of Missouri professor Melissa Click did cry out for “some muscle.”) Ancient Rome was built on a foundation of slavery; by this measure, there should be more statues of Robert E. Lee. Not much makes sense.

    Ancient, native Britains soon wearied of and revolted against the joys of Roman diversity. Tacitus: ”The Icenian king Prasutagus…his kingdom was pillaged by centurions, his household by slaves; as though they had been prizes of war.” Queen Boudicca, after watching her two daughters raped at the hands of the Romans, led a rebel army that slaughtered 80,000 Roman invaders. Nero almost abandoned diverse Britain. Londinium (the site of modern London) was burnt entirely to the ground. An ancient but still relevant harbinger.

    Progressive Donna Zuckerberg of Eidolon (another rather obvious Facebook front) has gone full Romanophile. Yet, as Beard, to speak of diverse Libyans and Ethiopians meeting at Hadrian’s Wall one must speak of the man himself: Hadrian is remembered for slaughtering more than half a million Jews – a proto-Hitler, the Roman version of the Final Solution. (Zuckerberg is of Jewish extraction.) All Jewish males over 14 were put to the sword, women and children sold into slavery. By the end, Hadrian went insane over his catamite Antinous. The debauched LGBT sensualist, a bloated alcoholic begging for his guards to put him out of his misery.

    Even among the Romans diversity did not pan out. Recall Elagabalus the Syrian – Rome’s teenage, transgender emperor. Elagabalus liked nothing better than dressing as a woman, wearing the make-up of a whore and prostituting himself in brothels and wine dens. Elagabalus imported his strange Syrian religion which revolved around the worship of Elagabal – a god believed to inhabit a black meteorite. Herodian: “this stone is worshipped as though it were sent from heaven.” (A similar phenomenon to the Black Stone of Islam.)

    Eventually, Elagabalus ran afoul of the Praetorian Guard for, inter alia, debasing the currency and choosing political insiders according to penis size. Along with his mother he was stabbed to death, stripped naked, dragged through the streets and cast into the Tiber. The stone of Elagabal was sent back to Emesa. After the corrosive influence of Elagabalus’ mother, women were again barred from attending meetings of the Senate. (Feminists take note.) “The practice of damnatio memoriae—erasing from the public record and memory a disgraced personage – was systematically applied in his case.”

    To her credit, Beard weathered an intense denunciation campaign (“transphobic”) after signing a petition against “no-platforming” and the erosion of free speech. This sanitization, distortion, and romanticization of the past is the root cause of much of the hysteria i.e. a society fully aware of Elagabalus would be less likely to tolerate transgender and religious fanaticism when it appears. If historical cartoons contained an inconsolable Boudicca avenging her raped daughters, nationalism and nativism would be easier to understand.

    In the end one must decide: Roman-themed, socialist realism via children’s cartoons – or plain, not watered down, adult history. One has the sinking feeling Beard, Zuckerberg et al. are going to get us all killed for their Aspergerian obsession with a fantasy Rome.

  82. On the topic of another type of rivalry, is this guy paranoid in thinking that big-tech is going to try to de-platform everyone on the right?

  83. Freud as Hannibal against Rome (Roman Catholic Church)

    http://hannibal-barca-carthage.blogspot.com/2012/01/freud-and-hannibal.html

    This struck me as unheroic conduct on the part of the big, strong man who was holding the little boy by the hand. I had contrasted this situation with another which befitted my feelings better: the scene in which Hannibal’s father, Hamilcar Barca, made his boy swear before the household altar to take vengeance on the Romans. Ever since that time Hannibal had had a place in my fantasies.”

    “I myself had walked in Hannibal’s footsteps; like him I was destined never to see Rome, and he too had gone to Campania when all were expecting him in Rome. Hannibal, with whom I had achieved this point of similarity, had been my favourite hero during my years at the Gymnasium; like so many boys of my age, I bestowed my sympathies in the Punic war not on the Romans, but on the Carthaginians. Moreover, when I finally came to realize the consequences of belonging to an alien race, and was forced by the anti-Semitic feeling among my classmates to take a definite stand, the figure of the Semitic commander assumed still greater proportions in my imagination. Hannibal and Rome symbolized, in my youthful eyes, the struggle between the tenacity of the Jews and the organization of the Catholic Church. The significance for our emotional life which the anti-Semitic movement has since assumed helped to fix the thoughts and impressions of those earlier days. Thus the desire to go to Rome has in my dream- life become the mask and symbol for a number of warmly cherished wishes, for whose realization one had to work with the tenacity and single-mindedness of the Punic general, though their fulfilment at times seemed as remote as Hannibal’s life-long wish to enter Rome.”

    This was obviously a decisive childhood memory that emerged in Freud’s self-analysis. It contains the moment in which he lost his idealization for his own father and substituted a new ego ideal. Hannibal, although not a Jew, was a Semite and an enemy of Rome, which perhaps symbolized the Catholic church and Christianity.

  84. @Lot
    Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I'd be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother's penis.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Desiderius, @Jason Liu, @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere, @SFG, @Opinionator, @James Kabala, @Dennis Dale

    This comment should have had a gold box.

    • Disagree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @James Kabala

    Lot overlooks/ignores the most straightforward and obvious explanation.

  85. I think it seems increasingly clear that the popular, Sorkin-influenced picture of Zuckerberg is close to the opposite of the truth. Unfortunately, not the opposite in the sense of “He is actually a good and decent guy,” but in the sense of “He is a bad guy, but in a different and more genuinely sinister way than the popular perception.”

    He isn’t a dork who desperately wants acceptance from the cool people and the pretty women; he is someone who thinks he was born to command. I think maybe he really will run for president, which would be a very bad development.

    • Agree: advancedatheist
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @James Kabala

    Which is pretty much the point Antonio Garcia Martinez makes in his book Chaos Monkeys.

    , @yyrvjh
    @James Kabala

    But Zuckerberg is a dork. He resembles Judge Reinhold in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, who played the pimply teenager who gets fired from his job as a hamburger flipper. A very unappealing fellow. No chance that Americans will elect him president. However, with his money and power he can still do major, major damage simply by choosing what opinions to boost or suppress.

    Replies: @James Kabala

    , @guest
    @James Kabala

    There's no reason one can't interpret his motivation in the Social Network as Napoleonic or Caesarian in nature, though it's not explicit or even intended.

    I think they went with the popularity thing because he happened to be a college student at the time, and in the beginning Facebook was the province of Youth. Also, because normal people can identify with wanting to be "cool." Less so with wanting to rule the fate of mankind.

    Finally, a disturbing amount of entertainment is based writers acting out on youthful resentment. With his fame and fortune, Sorkin can get all the good-looking women he desires. Maybe he did at 14, too. Or maybe he was like many another screenwriter and had to watch what he considered lesser boys score, because of petty things like handsomeness and social grace.

  86. It took years for him to realize that Freudianism wasn’t supposed to be real, it was just a way for Jewish workaholics to vent about their family members for 50 minutes and then get back to making money. Only trusting WASPs like P.R. took it seriously.

    Jerry Seinfeld Tells Norm A Joke Only He (& Adam) Would Get

  87. @Mark Caplan

    When you really think about it, Mark Zuckerberg is a victim of society.
     
    Maybe so, but now society has come to be a victim of Mark Zuckerberg.

    Replies: @Ivy

    The victim of society trope shows up in various movies, including the Animal House student court scene. The Delta House guys walked out of the court, but got to hear Dean Wormer mention that their student draft deferments were now void, and the local draft boards would be notified. There was a hint of some semblance of consequences, unlike modern times.

    http://www.break.com/topics/animal-house-movie-court-scene/

    The later scene with the futile and stupid gesture and we’re just the guys to do it provided a hint of current activism, and then a parade was involved.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h4DZeBleLs

  88. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    SJWs and POC still don't like Taylor Swift:

    In contrast, others are identifying it as the pop-star blatantly doubling down on her “Old Taylor”-ness, retreating into the familiar role of victim, and adopting the language/imagery of female empowerment for her own brand. Once a snake, always a snake. Vulture called the single “dead on arrival” and many were quick to point out similarities to Beyoncé Lemonade, which no mortal creature can live up to.
     

    No, I don’t believe that Swift’s team purposefully planned the album release on the 10th anniversary of Kanye’s mother Donda West’s death (though that is definitely a huge PR flub that shouldn’t have happened), though “I don’t like your little games / Don’t like your tilted stage” and “The role you made me play: of the fool/ No, I don’t like you” are clear references to the rapper and Kardashian.

    While the track is mostly underwhelming, as are the brief visuals we saw accompanying it, it was still met with a huge reaction online. The controversy around Swift and her feuds is, in one sense, a typical kind of Hollywood gossip—these stories get tons and tons of clicks because people love the drama (“Another day, another drama, drama”). However, it also lies in a larger conversation about how the singer often wields her white womanhood. Whether you are a fan or not, Swift is a hugely influential figure who inserts herself in these larger conversations about female representation and feminism
     

    Public figures are—both fairly and unfairly—scrutinized more because of the influence they hold. Swift has been highly criticized for using feminism as a marketing tool, staying mostly silent during the election, and manipulating the press through victimhood. In the case with Kanye, it felt especially sinister how the entire situation fit into the mold of “scary black man bullies white girl.” (I reommend this Buzzfeed article, which is a detailed, and in-depth dive into how Swift’s career has often played on the projection of victimhood.)
     
    https://www.themarysue.com/taylor-swift-look-what-you-made-me-do/

    Replies: @DFH, @Jack Hanson, @Malcolm X-Lax, @Perplexed

    In the case with Kanye, it felt especially sinister how the entire situation fit into the mold of “scary black man bullies white girl

    This is an insane way to view the world. Instead of taking prima facie counter-evidence to your ideology as something that at least requires explanation, the fact that the evidence is contradicted by ideology is a reason that something must be wrong with the evidence (even in the abence of any actual reason for doubting it, which is what ‘sinister’ amounts to).

    Also this article is just another example of the hatred of non-white women for pretty white women, and their (at least the asians/indians’) use of intersectional feminism to express it.

    • Replies: @guest
    @DFH

    Why are you even talking about evidence and such? The Thing under discussion hurts the Narrative, therefore it's bad. They don't promote the Narrative because they think it's accurate in every case. What are they, disinterested philosophers? Who themselves probably don't actually exist.

    I am emotionally dubious about my beliefs several times per day, and I assume SJWs are occasionally, too. But I don't expect that to cause them to suddenly start reasoning every little Thing out. They have a cause to defend. By definition they're fanatics for their cause.

    You're expecting them to be like the butcher who pauses repeatedly during his working day to wonder whether he should promote vegetarianism. But that would take food out of his children's mouths. He's got a living to make. (By implication, SJWs can't *live* if they're not SJW-ing.)

  89. Albert Ellis received training in traditional psychoanalysis, but in the 1950’s he decided that psychoanalytic techniques didn’t really help his clients; so he drew upon his youthful reading in Stoic philosophy and Buddhist literature to develop an early form of cognitive therapy, which he eventually called Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, or REBT.

    Ellis’s fellow Jews don’t seem to have absorbed the implications of Ellis’s and similar cognitive approaches to managing emotions, however. Criticism of Jews in itself doesn’t upset Jews; the Jews’ own irrational thinking about this criticism upsets them.

  90. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @El Dato, @Barnard, @Sunbeam, @DFH

    Why would a Nazi be bothered by a Jewish women’s micegenation?

    • Replies: @Lot
    @DFH

    HAHAHA!

  91. @anony-mouse
    This isn't going to do much for your fans who say that Ashkenazi Jews didn't come from the Mediterranean

    Replies: @syonredux

    This isn’t going to do much for your fans who say that Ashkenazi Jews didn’t come from the Mediterranean

    You mean the “Khazar Hypothesis?” That’s been thoroughly demolished:

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.

    To sum up, their model is that a population from the Levant mixed with Italians, and shortly thereafter moved to the Rhineland (the founding bottleneck), perhaps mixing to some degree with the local Europeans there, and certainly mixing some with Slavic types when they moved to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @syonredux

    The great preponderance of evidence suggests that Zuckerberg is a Natural Leader of Men type.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  92. There are instances when one’s hold on sanity, as well as one’s blood pressure, hinges on the ability to turn all media OFF and withdraw from society as completely as opposite; to fall off the grid.

    These days, those instances occur almost daily after the briefest of immersions in what now passes for “the public discourse”.

    For this, I blame Zuckerberg, who zealously midwifed this “reality” into being; and his sister, who – should she ever slip free of her restraints, God forbid – will do everything in her power to make it a hundred times worse in half the time.

  93. Mark Zuckerberg doesn’t love Roman culture of course, he loves pozzing Roman culture.

  94. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    A comedy writer for late night TV:

    Bess Kalb @besskalb
    I’ve been thinking about it and you boys are right, Jews WILL NOT replace you at your jobs as we literally all went to Cornell at minimum.

    The dumbest Jew I know went to Emory and makes $200k a year in sports broadcasting. His parents DO NOT TALK ABOUT HIM.
     
    It's curious how Jews willfully misread that "Jews will not replace us" chant as meaning that Jews are going to demographically dominate Anglo-America. In reality, of course, the chant refers to Jewish support for massive levels of non-European immigration......But discussing the "population replacement" topic seems to be verboten.....

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Barnard

    I assume the average Jew is unaware of Bill Krisol’s comments at AEI about wanting to replace working class Americans with low skilled, third world immigrants. It isn’t hard to find what they mean if you look for it, but they don’t want to understand.

  95. This earlier post of yours is so similar I’m surprised you didn’t link to it:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-are-there-still-so-few-women-playwrights-on-broadway/

    Archie Bunker being a WASP rather than Irish Catholic seems like one of those things where you just ignore the “text” of the series, like George Costanza being Italian and his father being in the Knights of Columbus. Jerry Stiller said the only possible explanation was that his character was in witness protection.

  96. @El Dato
    @syonredux

    Before: "There can be only one!"
    After: "Well, he LOOKED Confederate at the time, officer"

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Yeah, the poor statue is like the kid in Colorado who got stabbed because his haircut looked Nazi.

  97. @Anonymous
    Steve:

    This has nothing to do with race, but is about your blog.

    One of the things that is interesting about you is all the connections that you find, are aware of.

    a. Is there a word for this or some category of people or the like who do this? Is it an old style essayist thing?

    b. Has this always been your style or more lately?

    c. Is it a commonality you have with people like the Freakonomics writer or the Lewis or Gladwell?

    d. Is it something different from the norm or something that everyone has (after being an adult for a while and having some careers, you get some direct or closely Baconish connections to relavent things in the news?

    Replies: @EdwardM

    a. Is there a word for this or some category of people or the like who do this? Is it an old style essayist thing?

    I think the ability to see connections like this boils down significantly to intelligence. Of a certain kind perhaps. Plus being well-read and having a good memory.

    I wonder about the details of Steve’s proprietary method for organizing all of the nuggets that he brings to bear. It certainly, like all good writing, must be much harder and more time-consuming than it looks to put together.

    Among the many reasons why I couldn’t do what Steve does is that I am too lazy, when I read something that piques my interest or causes me to begin to see a connection, to catalog it.

    James Taranto is another writer who similarly excels in highlighting connections, often between liberals’ various follies. He might be even more clever in his aphorisms and anecdotes than Steve, but his scope is not as broad as Steve’s. The final item in Best of the Web Today, the WSJ on-line column he used to write, was usually an absurdist tour de force that couldn’t have a parallel from the left.

  98. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    SJWs and POC still don't like Taylor Swift:

    In contrast, others are identifying it as the pop-star blatantly doubling down on her “Old Taylor”-ness, retreating into the familiar role of victim, and adopting the language/imagery of female empowerment for her own brand. Once a snake, always a snake. Vulture called the single “dead on arrival” and many were quick to point out similarities to Beyoncé Lemonade, which no mortal creature can live up to.
     

    No, I don’t believe that Swift’s team purposefully planned the album release on the 10th anniversary of Kanye’s mother Donda West’s death (though that is definitely a huge PR flub that shouldn’t have happened), though “I don’t like your little games / Don’t like your tilted stage” and “The role you made me play: of the fool/ No, I don’t like you” are clear references to the rapper and Kardashian.

    While the track is mostly underwhelming, as are the brief visuals we saw accompanying it, it was still met with a huge reaction online. The controversy around Swift and her feuds is, in one sense, a typical kind of Hollywood gossip—these stories get tons and tons of clicks because people love the drama (“Another day, another drama, drama”). However, it also lies in a larger conversation about how the singer often wields her white womanhood. Whether you are a fan or not, Swift is a hugely influential figure who inserts herself in these larger conversations about female representation and feminism
     

    Public figures are—both fairly and unfairly—scrutinized more because of the influence they hold. Swift has been highly criticized for using feminism as a marketing tool, staying mostly silent during the election, and manipulating the press through victimhood. In the case with Kanye, it felt especially sinister how the entire situation fit into the mold of “scary black man bullies white girl.” (I reommend this Buzzfeed article, which is a detailed, and in-depth dive into how Swift’s career has often played on the projection of victimhood.)
     
    https://www.themarysue.com/taylor-swift-look-what-you-made-me-do/

    Replies: @DFH, @Jack Hanson, @Malcolm X-Lax, @Perplexed

    Over the top accolade for Beyonce is a huge tell for self hating white SJW.

  99. @James Kabala
    I think it seems increasingly clear that the popular, Sorkin-influenced picture of Zuckerberg is close to the opposite of the truth. Unfortunately, not the opposite in the sense of "He is actually a good and decent guy," but in the sense of "He is a bad guy, but in a different and more genuinely sinister way than the popular perception."

    He isn't a dork who desperately wants acceptance from the cool people and the pretty women; he is someone who thinks he was born to command. I think maybe he really will run for president, which would be a very bad development.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @yyrvjh, @guest

    Which is pretty much the point Antonio Garcia Martinez makes in his book Chaos Monkeys.

  100. @James Kabala
    I think it seems increasingly clear that the popular, Sorkin-influenced picture of Zuckerberg is close to the opposite of the truth. Unfortunately, not the opposite in the sense of "He is actually a good and decent guy," but in the sense of "He is a bad guy, but in a different and more genuinely sinister way than the popular perception."

    He isn't a dork who desperately wants acceptance from the cool people and the pretty women; he is someone who thinks he was born to command. I think maybe he really will run for president, which would be a very bad development.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @yyrvjh, @guest

    But Zuckerberg is a dork. He resembles Judge Reinhold in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, who played the pimply teenager who gets fired from his job as a hamburger flipper. A very unappealing fellow. No chance that Americans will elect him president. However, with his money and power he can still do major, major damage simply by choosing what opinions to boost or suppress.

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    @yyrvjh

    True - it is hard to imagine that he could win. But the even the idea that he might try to run shows hubris.

  101. @Anonymous
    I remember Steve making a similar argument about First Wave Feminism being Jewish daughters' resentment for their families' favoring and promoting their sons' ambitions.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anon, @Jake, @Laugh Track

    I remember Steve making a similar argument about First Wave Feminism being Jewish daughters’ resentment for their families’ favoring and promoting their sons’ ambitions.

    As SFG noted, it’s Second Wave Feminism you are talking about. That aside, though, having lived through the rise of Radical Feminism in the late 60’s and beyond, it always seemed to me to arise from female (largely Jewish) leftists’ resentment of male (largely Jewish) leftists hogging the spotlight and relegating their girlfriends to running the mimeographs and making sandwiches.

    See Marge Piercy’s “The Grand Coolie Damn”:

    http://www.feministezine.com/feminist/modern/The-Grand-Coolie-Damn.html

  102. @Buzz Mohawk
    Somehow a guy who created (stole) an electronic bulletin board where people share pictures of their cats doesn't seem equal to a Roman emperor.

    When he becomes Emperor, um, president, I hope I don't get fed to lions for posting this. By then it will be possible.

    Replies: @CCZ, @TheJester, @Beckow, @Alden

    “guy who created (stole) an electronic bulletin board where people share pictures of their cats doesn’t seem equal to a Roman emperor”

    Your overestimate how much most Roman Emperors accomplished. There were a few with a drive, intelligence and fortune to change the world. But most were middling losers, anointed and talentless, with family connections and military muscle at the right place at the right time. ‘Fortune’, or pure luck, was the key requirement. It was Hollywood-like in its ‘meritocracy’. But then it almost always is.

    So Zuck is well within the mean for the people who are elevated. It might be ‘cat pictures’ today instead of a well placed bodyguard among the Romans, but the same randomness linked with family and tribal connections determines the ‘fortune’. They are not the problem, we are.

  103. “I love Rome so much…” he married a Chinese woman!!! This degenerate should focus on Genghis Khan as his “hero.” He has Chinese offspring. That’s why his sister is busy replacing Caucasian/Europeans in ancient Rome/Greece to give her Chinese nieces a history to which they can “relate.” Cherchez la femme/le homme when “analyzing” people.

  104. @James Kabala
    @Lot

    This comment should have had a gold box.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Lot overlooks/ignores the most straightforward and obvious explanation.

  105. @jb
    Hey, I wear my hair like that (to the extent that I still have it anyway). The Augustus do -- shortish hair combed in whatever direction it wants to go anyway -- is a very natural low-maintenance white guy look. What's not to like?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Augustus: a busy man.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer

    Suetonius on the appearance of Augustus:


    He was unusually handsome and exceedingly graceful at all periods of his life, though he cared nothing for personal adornment. He was so far from being particular about the dressing of his hair, that he would have several barbers working in a hurry at the same time, and as for his beard he now had it clipped and now shaved, while at the very same time he would either be reading or writing something. His expression, whether in conversation or when he was silent, was so calm and mild, that one of the leading men of the Gallic provinces admitted to his countrymen that it had softened his heart, and kept him from carrying out his design of pushing the emperor over a cliff, when he had been allowed to approach him under the pretence of a conference, as he was crossing the Alps. 2 He had clear, bright eyes, in which he liked to have it thought that there was a kind of divine power, and it greatly pleased him, whenever he looked keenly at anyone, if he let his face fall as if before the radiance of the sun; but in his old age he could not see very well with his left eye. His teeth were wide apart, small, and ill-kept; his hair was slightly curly and inclining to golden; his eyebrows met. His ears were of moderate size, and his nose projected a little at the top and then bent slightly inward.110 His complexion was between dark and fair. He was short of stature (although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches in height),111 but this was concealed by the fine proportion and symmetry of his figure, and was p247 noticeable only by comparison with some taller person standing beside him.
     
    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Augustus*.html#79

    Replies: @syonredux

  106. @James Kabala
    I think it seems increasingly clear that the popular, Sorkin-influenced picture of Zuckerberg is close to the opposite of the truth. Unfortunately, not the opposite in the sense of "He is actually a good and decent guy," but in the sense of "He is a bad guy, but in a different and more genuinely sinister way than the popular perception."

    He isn't a dork who desperately wants acceptance from the cool people and the pretty women; he is someone who thinks he was born to command. I think maybe he really will run for president, which would be a very bad development.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @yyrvjh, @guest

    There’s no reason one can’t interpret his motivation in the Social Network as Napoleonic or Caesarian in nature, though it’s not explicit or even intended.

    I think they went with the popularity thing because he happened to be a college student at the time, and in the beginning Facebook was the province of Youth. Also, because normal people can identify with wanting to be “cool.” Less so with wanting to rule the fate of mankind.

    Finally, a disturbing amount of entertainment is based writers acting out on youthful resentment. With his fame and fortune, Sorkin can get all the good-looking women he desires. Maybe he did at 14, too. Or maybe he was like many another screenwriter and had to watch what he considered lesser boys score, because of petty things like handsomeness and social grace.

  107. @TheJester
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Facebook is amusing for some of its content ... perhaps for most of its content. I don't use Facebook but maintain an account for family reasons. I get family members' posts and responses (they almost universally involve exchanges among women).

    "What should we name this feral cat?" ... worth 20 replies and 15 likes.

    "What do you think of the decoration on this cake?" ... worth 35 replies and 25 likes.

    "Here's a picture of my baby!" ... worth 42 replies and 37 likes within a mandatory mix of "Beautiful", "What a doll", "See those beautiful blue eyes", "Wow, you must be proud" responses.

    I've read that people can become addicted to getting likes on Facebook. If they don't get their daily fix, they exhibit signs of depression. But, when desperate, they can always fall back on "What should we name this feral cat?" to save their day.

    To think that Mark made billions making all of this possible ...

    I recall an interview with Mark in which he said that he was not a risk for dropping out of Harvard to launch Facebook. His family had resources. He knew he would land on his feet regardless of what he did with his life (perhaps the same can be said of his sister, Donna). I've known a number of "trust fund babies" in my life. Mark reminds me of a "trust fund baby". His shallowness defines him (perhaps the same can be said of his sister, Donna).

    Yes, Mark might be able to buy the Presidency some day. That would not make him unique. The only difference is that he could buy it with his own money instead of using someone else's money.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Zuckerbergs’ parents are highly prosperous but not massively rich. Dad is a dentist (although he’s likely one of the higher earning dentists in the country — he’s an outstanding small businessman). Grandpa on the paternal side worked for the Post Office. Mom was a psychiatrist, but then quit to be a stay at home mom. (I’d guess she probably has some family money on her side, but not necessarily a huge amount.)

    The four Zuckerberg kids probably expected to inherit a few million each in their 40s or 50s, which is very nice but not immense.

    Anyway, the Zuckerberg nuclear family seems like a very fine model of traditional values: mom chose to be a housewife and have four children despite excellent career opportunities, dad continues to work hard at an honorable career despite no doubt now being immensely wealthy from appreciation of stock he bought early in his son’s company, etc.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    mom chose to be a housewife and have four children despite excellent career opportunities,

    A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @guest

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Way wait. How exactly could the four kids have expected to inherit a couple million by their 40s? From their dad's dentist practice? They don't make that much, unless they're in Beverly Hills or something related to cosmetic dentistry for the top 1%.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  108. @Jake
    @Art Deco

    No sense of humor?

    Perhaps you can instruct us on how to see Freudianism. Be certain to make central your knowledge that ole Siggy absolutely despised his father for being a vile hypocrite and acquisition-worshiping whore, as well as that Siggy certainly wished to replace Moses.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @James Kabala

    Perhaps you can instruct us on how to see Freudianism.

    As a failed research programme and a failed clinical practice, which is what it actually is. Psychosurgery is another failed programme. My great-grandmother had all sorts of treatments for rheumatoid arthritis in the 1920s which aren’t followed anymore either.

  109. @Jake
    @Anonymous

    Did Gloria Steinem have a brother her father promoted?

    If I have the correct Feminist, Gloria Steinem's mother was insane and Gloria blamed her father for at least making her mother worse.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Gloria Steinem had a sister. Her sister and brother-in-law financed her schooling.

    Steinem spent a number of years living just with her mother, with an uncle nearby looking in on them. Her mother wasn’t insane, just a dysfunctional mess (attended to by a doctor who prescribed her tranquilizers). Steinem’s brief memoir on her mother (“Ruth’s Song, Because She Could Not Sing It”) does not blame her father for her mother’s condition. Steinem’s rather disrespectful of her father in other brief biographical accounts, but mostly re his improvidence, impracticality, and failure as a provider.

  110. @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    It’s curious how Jews willfully misread that “Jews will not replace us”

    What gave you the idea that aught but a tiny minority are familiar with the slogan?

    Replies: @syonredux

    It’s curious how Jews willfully misread that “Jews will not replace us”

    What gave you the idea that aught but a tiny minority are familiar with the slogan?

    Perhaps of the Jewish American population as a whole, it’s a “tiny minority”……But, from what I’ve seen, a huge chunk of the Jewish Commentariat are very aware of the chant.

  111. @Jake
    Commentary like this makes me wonder how much the people who run the Southern Poverty Law Center would love to see Steve Sailer accidentally be murdered by some poor blacks who'd been driven to righteous rage by the history of racism.

    As for the Zuck and his fascination with Rome: you can bet your last penny is primarily because he would love to hold all the power of a Nero in his hand and be able to wave his fingers and know that a million were killed and ten million enslaved.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    how much the people who run the Southern Poverty Law Center would love to see Steve Sailer accidentally be murdered by some poor blacks who’d been driven to righteous rage by the history of racism.

    Likely would not help their buckraking, which is the name-of-the-game for them. The media protected the $PLC from fallout when one of their followers tried to murder an employee of the Family Research Council, and would likely do so again, so it likely would not hurt much, either.

  112. @Steve Sailer
    @TheJester

    The Zuckerbergs' parents are highly prosperous but not massively rich. Dad is a dentist (although he's likely one of the higher earning dentists in the country -- he's an outstanding small businessman). Grandpa on the paternal side worked for the Post Office. Mom was a psychiatrist, but then quit to be a stay at home mom. (I'd guess she probably has some family money on her side, but not necessarily a huge amount.)

    The four Zuckerberg kids probably expected to inherit a few million each in their 40s or 50s, which is very nice but not immense.

    Anyway, the Zuckerberg nuclear family seems like a very fine model of traditional values: mom chose to be a housewife and have four children despite excellent career opportunities, dad continues to work hard at an honorable career despite no doubt now being immensely wealthy from appreciation of stock he bought early in his son's company, etc.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    mom chose to be a housewife and have four children despite excellent career opportunities,

    A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    Burnout is distinct from recognizing a higher calling/better fit for one's talents.

    , @guest
    @Art Deco

    "A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering"

    Psychiatry isn't medicine, so that's neither here nor there. Unless we extend your statement to all the professions, with which I agree.

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn't burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

  113. @Steve Sailer
    @jb

    Augustus: a busy man.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Suetonius on the appearance of Augustus:

    He was unusually handsome and exceedingly graceful at all periods of his life, though he cared nothing for personal adornment. He was so far from being particular about the dressing of his hair, that he would have several barbers working in a hurry at the same time, and as for his beard he now had it clipped and now shaved, while at the very same time he would either be reading or writing something. His expression, whether in conversation or when he was silent, was so calm and mild, that one of the leading men of the Gallic provinces admitted to his countrymen that it had softened his heart, and kept him from carrying out his design of pushing the emperor over a cliff, when he had been allowed to approach him under the pretence of a conference, as he was crossing the Alps. 2 He had clear, bright eyes, in which he liked to have it thought that there was a kind of divine power, and it greatly pleased him, whenever he looked keenly at anyone, if he let his face fall as if before the radiance of the sun; but in his old age he could not see very well with his left eye. His teeth were wide apart, small, and ill-kept; his hair was slightly curly and inclining to golden; his eyebrows met. His ears were of moderate size, and his nose projected a little at the top and then bent slightly inward.110 His complexion was between dark and fair. He was short of stature (although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches in height),111 but this was concealed by the fine proportion and symmetry of his figure, and was p247 noticeable only by comparison with some taller person standing beside him.

    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Augustus*.html#79

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux


    His complexion was between dark and fair. He was short of stature (although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches in height),111


    111 Roman measure; •a little less than five feet seven inches
     
    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Augustus*.html#note111
  114. @kihowi
    The thing is, when you have intelligence to spare, like jews in a goy world, you can afford to disregard the difference between reality and fiction. Keeping the two clearly separated is for those who need that crutch. The same people who also can't afford to play around sexually or financially.

    I think a lot of jewish nonsense like Freudianism is conspicuous consumption for the mind: "look how smart I am! I can spend my life thinking about obviously wrong and nonsensical crap and it doesn't even hurt me!"

    Replies: @Lot, @Desiderius, @guest

    The peacock’s tail.

    It doesn’t hurt until it does. It’s already hurting.

  115. @DFH
    @syonredux


    In the case with Kanye, it felt especially sinister how the entire situation fit into the mold of “scary black man bullies white girl
     
    This is an insane way to view the world. Instead of taking prima facie counter-evidence to your ideology as something that at least requires explanation, the fact that the evidence is contradicted by ideology is a reason that something must be wrong with the evidence (even in the abence of any actual reason for doubting it, which is what 'sinister' amounts to).

    Also this article is just another example of the hatred of non-white women for pretty white women, and their (at least the asians/indians') use of intersectional feminism to express it.

    Replies: @guest

    Why are you even talking about evidence and such? The Thing under discussion hurts the Narrative, therefore it’s bad. They don’t promote the Narrative because they think it’s accurate in every case. What are they, disinterested philosophers? Who themselves probably don’t actually exist.

    I am emotionally dubious about my beliefs several times per day, and I assume SJWs are occasionally, too. But I don’t expect that to cause them to suddenly start reasoning every little Thing out. They have a cause to defend. By definition they’re fanatics for their cause.

    You’re expecting them to be like the butcher who pauses repeatedly during his working day to wonder whether he should promote vegetarianism. But that would take food out of his children’s mouths. He’s got a living to make. (By implication, SJWs can’t *live* if they’re not SJW-ing.)

  116. @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    mom chose to be a housewife and have four children despite excellent career opportunities,

    A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @guest

    Burnout is distinct from recognizing a higher calling/better fit for one’s talents.

  117. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer

    Suetonius on the appearance of Augustus:


    He was unusually handsome and exceedingly graceful at all periods of his life, though he cared nothing for personal adornment. He was so far from being particular about the dressing of his hair, that he would have several barbers working in a hurry at the same time, and as for his beard he now had it clipped and now shaved, while at the very same time he would either be reading or writing something. His expression, whether in conversation or when he was silent, was so calm and mild, that one of the leading men of the Gallic provinces admitted to his countrymen that it had softened his heart, and kept him from carrying out his design of pushing the emperor over a cliff, when he had been allowed to approach him under the pretence of a conference, as he was crossing the Alps. 2 He had clear, bright eyes, in which he liked to have it thought that there was a kind of divine power, and it greatly pleased him, whenever he looked keenly at anyone, if he let his face fall as if before the radiance of the sun; but in his old age he could not see very well with his left eye. His teeth were wide apart, small, and ill-kept; his hair was slightly curly and inclining to golden; his eyebrows met. His ears were of moderate size, and his nose projected a little at the top and then bent slightly inward.110 His complexion was between dark and fair. He was short of stature (although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches in height),111 but this was concealed by the fine proportion and symmetry of his figure, and was p247 noticeable only by comparison with some taller person standing beside him.
     
    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Augustus*.html#79

    Replies: @syonredux

    His complexion was between dark and fair. He was short of stature (although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches in height),111

    111 Roman measure; •a little less than five feet seven inches

    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Augustus*.html#note111

  118. @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    mom chose to be a housewife and have four children despite excellent career opportunities,

    A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @guest

    “A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering”

    Psychiatry isn’t medicine, so that’s neither here nor there. Unless we extend your statement to all the professions, with which I agree.

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn’t burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.

    My vague impression is that Mark Zuckerberg, by nature and nurture, is a sort of center-right, slightly conservative guy. But there's not much money in that these days.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SFG

    , @SFG
    @guest

    Psychiatry is a part of medicine. I agree psychoanalysis is pseudoscientific and therapy is of varying quality, but psychiatrists go to medical school, learn biology and chemistry, and prescribe drugs to treat serious illnesses like bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.

    For all our questions about malaise and whether people undergoing trendy therapies are just upper-middle-class fainting flowers who want to look cool (and I agree psychoanalysis was probably of more value to Woody Allen movies than it was to patients), there are real, biological mental illnesses that can't be treated without drugs, and even with drugs aren't really that well treated.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Art Deco
    @guest

    Psychiatry isn’t medicine, so that’s neither here nor there.

    That's nice. Psychiatrists are stewed through medical schools, follow three-year residencies and two-year fellowships, are on the attending list at hospitals, and spend their days interviewing people in distress and prescribing them medications. Psychiatry has its systemic problems as a discipline (see Paul McHugh on the subject, and Thomas Szasz). The work day for psychiatrists is much the same as it is for 'real' doctors, with the exception that they interview fewer patients. And, yes, some people burn out.

    , @Art Deco
    @guest

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn’t burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    Your image of psychiatry is about 40 years out of date. You're describing counselors, clinical social workers, and clinical psychologists. Psychiatrists take inventories and write scrips. The sort of insight-oriented therapy you're thinking about was a minority taste 30 years ago among psychiatrists, and there are also other approaches (e.g. cognitive therapy and behavioral therapies) for practitioners of talk therapy. As for Freud and Jung, I was on the staff of a university medical center the better part of a generation ago. There was one psychiatrist left on the clinical faculty who advertised his psychoanalytic training. That man was born in 1923 and died in 1996.

    See Fuller Torrey: working psychiatrists commit themselves to supervising schizophrenics. Others are trying to straighten out addicts. Torrey in his critique of psychiatry does flay the post-war psychiatrists who abandoned the asylum in favor of a comfortable (if futile) office practice. The generation of psychiatrists who did that are pretty much all retired or dead.

  119. @guest
    @Art Deco

    "A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering"

    Psychiatry isn't medicine, so that's neither here nor there. Unless we extend your statement to all the professions, with which I agree.

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn't burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.

  120. @guest
    @Art Deco

    "A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering"

    Psychiatry isn't medicine, so that's neither here nor there. Unless we extend your statement to all the professions, with which I agree.

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn't burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.

    My vague impression is that Mark Zuckerberg, by nature and nurture, is a sort of center-right, slightly conservative guy. But there’s not much money in that these days.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.
     
    I know a lot of upper-middle class couples with kids. The mothers either don't work or have part-time (less than 20 hours a week) jobs. Despite the feminist propaganda, moms with full-time jobs tend to be prole-tier.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @SFG

    , @SFG
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember he famously refused to shut down Trump's Facebook account, and Facebook got in trouble for not weighting excessively towards POCs and so on when deciding which groups got banned.

    He loves immigration. But then, it's making him rich. As you say, there's not much money in patriotism these days.

    It's funny how everyone here piles on Zuckerberg for liking the classics. Couldn't you see that as an element of sincere appreciation for old-school, 'high' Western culture? As many people here have pointed out, there's probably some element of 'I want to be an emperor' to it, but that probably applied to a lot of classicists. Unlike his sister, he seems to appreciate it.

    Lest everyone think I am too fond of the guy, I think Facebook is a pestilential addition to the vapid social-media juggernaut and my own account is tightly controlled and gives little info, and this immigration thing is really going to mess up the country. But that's the world we live in these days.

    Replies: @guest

  121. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    SJWs and POC still don't like Taylor Swift:

    In contrast, others are identifying it as the pop-star blatantly doubling down on her “Old Taylor”-ness, retreating into the familiar role of victim, and adopting the language/imagery of female empowerment for her own brand. Once a snake, always a snake. Vulture called the single “dead on arrival” and many were quick to point out similarities to Beyoncé Lemonade, which no mortal creature can live up to.
     

    No, I don’t believe that Swift’s team purposefully planned the album release on the 10th anniversary of Kanye’s mother Donda West’s death (though that is definitely a huge PR flub that shouldn’t have happened), though “I don’t like your little games / Don’t like your tilted stage” and “The role you made me play: of the fool/ No, I don’t like you” are clear references to the rapper and Kardashian.

    While the track is mostly underwhelming, as are the brief visuals we saw accompanying it, it was still met with a huge reaction online. The controversy around Swift and her feuds is, in one sense, a typical kind of Hollywood gossip—these stories get tons and tons of clicks because people love the drama (“Another day, another drama, drama”). However, it also lies in a larger conversation about how the singer often wields her white womanhood. Whether you are a fan or not, Swift is a hugely influential figure who inserts herself in these larger conversations about female representation and feminism
     

    Public figures are—both fairly and unfairly—scrutinized more because of the influence they hold. Swift has been highly criticized for using feminism as a marketing tool, staying mostly silent during the election, and manipulating the press through victimhood. In the case with Kanye, it felt especially sinister how the entire situation fit into the mold of “scary black man bullies white girl.” (I reommend this Buzzfeed article, which is a detailed, and in-depth dive into how Swift’s career has often played on the projection of victimhood.)
     
    https://www.themarysue.com/taylor-swift-look-what-you-made-me-do/

    Replies: @DFH, @Jack Hanson, @Malcolm X-Lax, @Perplexed

    Is it already the tenth anniversary of Kanye’s mother’s death? It snuck up on me. Oh well, I would say the take away next time is don’t select your plastic surgeons based on skin color. For reference, see Bakke Decision.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Malcolm X-Lax


    Taylor Swift Is Releasing Her Album on the 10th Anniversary of Donda West’s Death, and Black Twitter Is Not Pleased
     

    Before we begin, we should first acknowledge that all Beckies are the same. Maybe one day in the near future we will have a complete listing of the different kinds of Beckies, but for today, you should just know that according to the National Academy of White Women Arts and Sciences, Taylor Swift is rated as a Class C Becky, which is a midlevel ranking that corresponds to her milquetoast, passive-aggressive whiteness.
     

    But for all her alabaster averageness, Swift sits in the Beckydom somewhere between Megyn Kelly and the white woman at your job who secretly complained to HR when you wore a Black Lives Matter T-shirt on casual Friday.

    On Thursday, Taylor Swift released the first single from her expected-to-be-a-hit album Reputation. Although no one has heard it, it is expected to be another compilation of angst-filled songs calling out her ex-boyfriends, and tunes waxing rhapsodic about how hard it is for a young, blond, millionaire white woman to get ahead in the world.

    Here’s the problem: The album will be released on Nov. 10, which is (probably not) coincidentally 10 years after of the death of nemesis Kanye West’s mother, Donda, to the exact day.
     
    http://thegrapevine.theroot.com/taylor-swift-is-releasing-her-album-on-the-10th-anniver-1798429589

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Ivy
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    And instead of some Kanye, play music from the late Michael Jackson, another malpractice victim.

  122. @kihowi
    The thing is, when you have intelligence to spare, like jews in a goy world, you can afford to disregard the difference between reality and fiction. Keeping the two clearly separated is for those who need that crutch. The same people who also can't afford to play around sexually or financially.

    I think a lot of jewish nonsense like Freudianism is conspicuous consumption for the mind: "look how smart I am! I can spend my life thinking about obviously wrong and nonsensical crap and it doesn't even hurt me!"

    Replies: @Lot, @Desiderius, @guest

    There’s no inherent reason why conspicuous intellectual consumption has to be consumption of nonsense. Rich people these days spend a lot of money on crap art, for instance, but it wasn’t always so. Used to be you could pay a Michelangelo to make you something. But Michelangelo-type stuff isn’t fashionable, and it’s more expensive to produce, anyway.

    I guess things like modern art or Freud are risks you take believing in fads, because there are many more ways to be wrong than right. For thousands of years Westerners, including ethnic Jews, showed off by being Christians. Which may also have been wrong, but at least it wasn’t degenerate and civilizationally destructive.

    There are costs to be considered. The rich don’t have to worry as much about misspending money, but they didn’t get to be rich, if they ever weren’t rich, by being spendthrifts. H.L. Mencken had a funny comment on Thorstein Veblen when he pointed out the latter overlooking the fact that when pretending to be a country gentleman by having a cow graze your front yard, you still have to deal with their droppings.

    I’m very doubtful of your supposed “I’m smarter *because* I’m wrong” motive. If the idea is that they can more afford to be wrong, okay. I agree. But they could get more bang for their buck if everyone thought they were right. If they’re more willing to risk being wrong, okay again. But they still want to be proven right at the end.

    Or at least generally they do. There’s a strong tendency in ages of decline for the propertied and privileged to go the other way. “Transvaluation of values.” Ugly is beautiful and low is high, that sort of thing. Smart people born into modernism or postmodernism unfortunately often enough choose being fashionable over being right. Because what does it benefit them to be right if it means also being a fuddy-duddy? Who cares if Victorians, for instance, were right about this or that. Just look at them: they were kitschy!

    That’s the way intellectuals think in every culture, admittedly. But it’s more a problem in sick cultures. The sort of cultures that think Freud worthwhile simply because he sounds wrong to the bourgeoisie.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @guest

    So what does it show when wealthy people make a display of ancient practices like yoga, meditation or some martial art? Despite their relative novelty in the West, in their Asian homelands these disciplines didn't arise recently as fads.

  123. @Lot
    @J1234

    I think there is a very good chance she has read every post about her here as well as the comments. It isn't like she is a busy person with a tough job, amd vanity enjoys negative attention almost as much as positive. Maybe there is a ton of other people writing high traffic blog posts about her, but probably not.

    Replies: @J1234, @Anonymous

    Good points, but academics are often aware of the very rich (especially relations) and the very poor, but not much in between.

  124. @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.

    My vague impression is that Mark Zuckerberg, by nature and nurture, is a sort of center-right, slightly conservative guy. But there's not much money in that these days.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SFG

    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.

    I know a lot of upper-middle class couples with kids. The mothers either don’t work or have part-time (less than 20 hours a week) jobs. Despite the feminist propaganda, moms with full-time jobs tend to be prole-tier.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    And these working moms are generally unmarried as well. Charles Murray pointed out that the cost of being married is going up all the time. You can pretty much tell how much a white couple makes and whether or not they are married. It's like around 50k.(or maybe its 60k) If it's over 50k, then the couple is probably married and the wife can afford to stay at home with the kids. If it's under 50k, then either both parents are working or they aren't married so as to avoid the marriage tax.

    , @SFG
    @syonredux

    I believe you, but I have friends in medicine, and there also seem to be these double-doctor couples that both maintain practices.

    Replies: @syonredux

  125. @Malcolm X-Lax
    @syonredux

    Is it already the tenth anniversary of Kanye's mother's death? It snuck up on me. Oh well, I would say the take away next time is don't select your plastic surgeons based on skin color. For reference, see Bakke Decision.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Ivy

    Taylor Swift Is Releasing Her Album on the 10th Anniversary of Donda West’s Death, and Black Twitter Is Not Pleased

    Before we begin, we should first acknowledge that all Beckies are the same. Maybe one day in the near future we will have a complete listing of the different kinds of Beckies, but for today, you should just know that according to the National Academy of White Women Arts and Sciences, Taylor Swift is rated as a Class C Becky, which is a midlevel ranking that corresponds to her milquetoast, passive-aggressive whiteness.

    But for all her alabaster averageness, Swift sits in the Beckydom somewhere between Megyn Kelly and the white woman at your job who secretly complained to HR when you wore a Black Lives Matter T-shirt on casual Friday.

    On Thursday, Taylor Swift released the first single from her expected-to-be-a-hit album Reputation. Although no one has heard it, it is expected to be another compilation of angst-filled songs calling out her ex-boyfriends, and tunes waxing rhapsodic about how hard it is for a young, blond, millionaire white woman to get ahead in the world.

    Here’s the problem: The album will be released on Nov. 10, which is (probably not) coincidentally 10 years after of the death of nemesis Kanye West’s mother, Donda, to the exact day.

    http://thegrapevine.theroot.com/taylor-swift-is-releasing-her-album-on-the-10th-anniver-1798429589

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @syonredux

    Smoldering (or is it Pandering?) Black Racism in Showbiz: Serious Business!

    So, is Taylor Swift actually a Nazi?

    I have a 4chan image on my disk with Swift in a tailored SS uniform. Probably proof.

  126. @Lot
    Steve I think your ability to psychoanalyze the motivations of random SJW, something you try to do a lot, is severely hampered by the fact you seem to lack the strong desire to conform and for social approval, and therefore cannot, through introspection, understand its power in others.

    Maybe Donna resents Mark and is taking it out her anger on Roman Civ. But as for myself, I'd be thrilled to have Mark as a brother and the automatic wealth, fame, and reflected status that would entail. I think most people would feel the same way, even SJWs.

    A combo of liberal guilt, pathological altruism, and social conformity/fear of social disapproval and shunning I think explains Donna and SJW a lot better than subliminated familial resentments, which to me seems to veer into the dumber theories of Freud, in this case sister envying brother's penis.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Desiderius, @Jason Liu, @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere, @SFG, @Opinionator, @James Kabala, @Dennis Dale

    I think you’re mostly right.
    I suspect the quantity by which Zuck outshines his sister has a quality all its own. She can’t beat him but joining him is pretty awesome–other girls jot down their complaints in their journals, she gets her own literary journal.

    But that part about Zuck probably thinking he could do classics better: she likely thinks, privately, oh no you don’t. Who knows, maybe they even have debates. So, here, finally is at least one area where she might best Mark. A prestigious one too, which will incite his envy and the genuine respect of family.

    It’s a fine opportunity, to be seen as the classics expert in the family, while Mark makes his play to be some sort of social media Augustus. Who knows where it could lead, she must think.

    The journal is how Ms Zuck’s sibling rivalry is sublimated into (what she and others think is) positive, altruistic action. The social justice nonsense comes from two places: mostly because that’s how one distinguishes oneself (not with a boring old intellectual journal) nowadays, and, I suspect, a lack of confidence.
    You can attempt the daunting task, for which few will thank you, of adding something of value to the work of Western scholarship, or you can apply the SalonSlateBuzzfeed template and go home early to get ready for the party later.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Dennis Dale

    "A prestigious one too"

    Only because public opinion lags a couple of generations at least behind where classicists have left classicism. And because they talk about things laypeople actually still occasionally read (though in terms they'd find ridiculous).

    I can't imagine the classics have much cachet remaining within academia. They must know it's no different from the rest of the humanities sewer. Except you have to bother learning Latin and Greek.

    Or do you? For all I know, scholars are reading everything in translation these days.

  127. @yyrvjh
    @James Kabala

    But Zuckerberg is a dork. He resembles Judge Reinhold in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, who played the pimply teenager who gets fired from his job as a hamburger flipper. A very unappealing fellow. No chance that Americans will elect him president. However, with his money and power he can still do major, major damage simply by choosing what opinions to boost or suppress.

    Replies: @James Kabala

    True – it is hard to imagine that he could win. But the even the idea that he might try to run shows hubris.

  128. @Jake
    @Art Deco

    No sense of humor?

    Perhaps you can instruct us on how to see Freudianism. Be certain to make central your knowledge that ole Siggy absolutely despised his father for being a vile hypocrite and acquisition-worshiping whore, as well as that Siggy certainly wished to replace Moses.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @James Kabala

    Art Deco sometimes buries his points in needlessly abusive language, but I agree with him that it is a safe bet that Freud and most Freudian psychologists actually believed their theories. I am not exactly a Freud expert, so feel free to offer evidence to the contrary, but Steve’s statement seems pretty extreme.

  129. @guest
    @kihowi

    There's no inherent reason why conspicuous intellectual consumption has to be consumption of nonsense. Rich people these days spend a lot of money on crap art, for instance, but it wasn't always so. Used to be you could pay a Michelangelo to make you something. But Michelangelo-type stuff isn't fashionable, and it's more expensive to produce, anyway.

    I guess things like modern art or Freud are risks you take believing in fads, because there are many more ways to be wrong than right. For thousands of years Westerners, including ethnic Jews, showed off by being Christians. Which may also have been wrong, but at least it wasn't degenerate and civilizationally destructive.

    There are costs to be considered. The rich don't have to worry as much about misspending money, but they didn't get to be rich, if they ever weren't rich, by being spendthrifts. H.L. Mencken had a funny comment on Thorstein Veblen when he pointed out the latter overlooking the fact that when pretending to be a country gentleman by having a cow graze your front yard, you still have to deal with their droppings.

    I'm very doubtful of your supposed "I'm smarter *because* I'm wrong" motive. If the idea is that they can more afford to be wrong, okay. I agree. But they could get more bang for their buck if everyone thought they were right. If they're more willing to risk being wrong, okay again. But they still want to be proven right at the end.

    Or at least generally they do. There's a strong tendency in ages of decline for the propertied and privileged to go the other way. "Transvaluation of values." Ugly is beautiful and low is high, that sort of thing. Smart people born into modernism or postmodernism unfortunately often enough choose being fashionable over being right. Because what does it benefit them to be right if it means also being a fuddy-duddy? Who cares if Victorians, for instance, were right about this or that. Just look at them: they were kitschy!

    That's the way intellectuals think in every culture, admittedly. But it's more a problem in sick cultures. The sort of cultures that think Freud worthwhile simply because he sounds wrong to the bourgeoisie.

    Replies: @advancedatheist

    So what does it show when wealthy people make a display of ancient practices like yoga, meditation or some martial art? Despite their relative novelty in the West, in their Asian homelands these disciplines didn’t arise recently as fads.

  130. @Dennis Dale
    @Lot

    I think you're mostly right.
    I suspect the quantity by which Zuck outshines his sister has a quality all its own. She can't beat him but joining him is pretty awesome--other girls jot down their complaints in their journals, she gets her own literary journal.

    But that part about Zuck probably thinking he could do classics better: she likely thinks, privately, oh no you don't. Who knows, maybe they even have debates. So, here, finally is at least one area where she might best Mark. A prestigious one too, which will incite his envy and the genuine respect of family.

    It's a fine opportunity, to be seen as the classics expert in the family, while Mark makes his play to be some sort of social media Augustus. Who knows where it could lead, she must think.

    The journal is how Ms Zuck's sibling rivalry is sublimated into (what she and others think is) positive, altruistic action. The social justice nonsense comes from two places: mostly because that's how one distinguishes oneself (not with a boring old intellectual journal) nowadays, and, I suspect, a lack of confidence.
    You can attempt the daunting task, for which few will thank you, of adding something of value to the work of Western scholarship, or you can apply the SalonSlateBuzzfeed template and go home early to get ready for the party later.

    Replies: @guest

    “A prestigious one too”

    Only because public opinion lags a couple of generations at least behind where classicists have left classicism. And because they talk about things laypeople actually still occasionally read (though in terms they’d find ridiculous).

    I can’t imagine the classics have much cachet remaining within academia. They must know it’s no different from the rest of the humanities sewer. Except you have to bother learning Latin and Greek.

    Or do you? For all I know, scholars are reading everything in translation these days.

  131. @guest
    @Art Deco

    "A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering"

    Psychiatry isn't medicine, so that's neither here nor there. Unless we extend your statement to all the professions, with which I agree.

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn't burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    Psychiatry is a part of medicine. I agree psychoanalysis is pseudoscientific and therapy is of varying quality, but psychiatrists go to medical school, learn biology and chemistry, and prescribe drugs to treat serious illnesses like bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.

    For all our questions about malaise and whether people undergoing trendy therapies are just upper-middle-class fainting flowers who want to look cool (and I agree psychoanalysis was probably of more value to Woody Allen movies than it was to patients), there are real, biological mental illnesses that can’t be treated without drugs, and even with drugs aren’t really that well treated.

    • Replies: @guest
    @SFG

    "psychiatrists go to medical school, learn biology and chemistry..."

    Then they proceed not to become actual doctors, but to deal with the willow-the-wisp which for convenience we call "mental illness."

    "and prescribe drugs"

    Yes, of course they do. Which I suppose means, along with street pushers, they must be dealing with actual medicine.

    "serious illnesses like bi-polar disorder and schizophrenia"

    They are serious, because we can see the malign consequences. But is "illness" the right word? Or are you just stealing that from the real medical world and misapplying to the fantasyland of the Mind?

    "There are real, biological mental illnesses"

    If there are, psychiatrists shall never find them. Let actual scientists dealing in actual medicine apply their real biological knowledge to the issue. They can come up etiologies and diagnoses, like with every other real disease. (I suppose you could say psychiatry does so on a trial and error basis, if you ignore the mumbo-jumbo of theory they lay on top of it. But they've been at some things for a really long time with little or nothing to show for the effort.)

    I wonder if you know how crazy (borrowing a psychiatric term) and oxymoronic is the phrase "biological mental." Saying something is "mental" means it's not biological, despite the fact that in the working theory of psychiatry the Mind derives ultimately from the body. Mind is not body. If it were, neuroscientists and such people would take care of it. Not psychiatrists, who were honest enough at least to tell us they deal with the "soul."

    Replies: @anonguy

  132. @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.

    My vague impression is that Mark Zuckerberg, by nature and nurture, is a sort of center-right, slightly conservative guy. But there's not much money in that these days.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SFG

    I remember he famously refused to shut down Trump’s Facebook account, and Facebook got in trouble for not weighting excessively towards POCs and so on when deciding which groups got banned.

    He loves immigration. But then, it’s making him rich. As you say, there’s not much money in patriotism these days.

    It’s funny how everyone here piles on Zuckerberg for liking the classics. Couldn’t you see that as an element of sincere appreciation for old-school, ‘high’ Western culture? As many people here have pointed out, there’s probably some element of ‘I want to be an emperor’ to it, but that probably applied to a lot of classicists. Unlike his sister, he seems to appreciate it.

    Lest everyone think I am too fond of the guy, I think Facebook is a pestilential addition to the vapid social-media juggernaut and my own account is tightly controlled and gives little info, and this immigration thing is really going to mess up the country. But that’s the world we live in these days.

    • Replies: @guest
    @SFG

    It's not that people are piling on the Zuck for liking the classics. I'm sure a good portion of the commentariat is obsessed with the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome.

    The thing is that people think Zuck's interest reveals something about his character. Also thatch he happens to resemble a Roman emperor, which is funny. It's funny to think of Zuck actually wanting to be emperor, especially since it could conceivably come to pass.

    (Hey, we basically are an empire and Trump just got elected. Zuck won't be elected, because if Trump is a broadsword he's a wet noodle. But maybe we'll get around to Praetorian Guards appointing people in Zuck's lifetime.)

  133. @Chiron
    @Dave Pinsen

    The relationship between Romans and Jews was more complicated than that, Julius Caesar gave decrees favoring Jews, there is records that many Jews lived in Rome before the destruction of the Temple and they mourned Julius Caesar death more than any other group according to Suetonius.

    Cicero was intimidated by a group of Jews in Rome because he was against Jews exporting gold from the Roman provinces to the Jerusalem Temple (which worked as a central bank).

    Replies: @FPD72, @cynthia curran

    According to the Roman historian Suetonius, Emperor Claudius expelled Jews from Rome in AD 50 because of Jewish rioting instigated by a figure Suetonius identified as “Chrestus.” Many scholars understand “Chrestus” to be Christ, who was the subject of the disturbances, not the instigator.

  134. @Steve Sailer
    @TheJester

    The Zuckerbergs' parents are highly prosperous but not massively rich. Dad is a dentist (although he's likely one of the higher earning dentists in the country -- he's an outstanding small businessman). Grandpa on the paternal side worked for the Post Office. Mom was a psychiatrist, but then quit to be a stay at home mom. (I'd guess she probably has some family money on her side, but not necessarily a huge amount.)

    The four Zuckerberg kids probably expected to inherit a few million each in their 40s or 50s, which is very nice but not immense.

    Anyway, the Zuckerberg nuclear family seems like a very fine model of traditional values: mom chose to be a housewife and have four children despite excellent career opportunities, dad continues to work hard at an honorable career despite no doubt now being immensely wealthy from appreciation of stock he bought early in his son's company, etc.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Way wait. How exactly could the four kids have expected to inherit a couple million by their 40s? From their dad’s dentist practice? They don’t make that much, unless they’re in Beverly Hills or something related to cosmetic dentistry for the top 1%.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    From profiles I've read of Zuckerberg's parents, Dr. Zuckerberg has an extremely successful dental practice in the Tri-State Area. The notion that, without Facebook, he'd have eventually left an estate of around $10 million to split among his four kids seems plausible within an order of magnitude either way.

    Replies: @Lot

  135. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.
     
    I know a lot of upper-middle class couples with kids. The mothers either don't work or have part-time (less than 20 hours a week) jobs. Despite the feminist propaganda, moms with full-time jobs tend to be prole-tier.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @SFG

    And these working moms are generally unmarried as well. Charles Murray pointed out that the cost of being married is going up all the time. You can pretty much tell how much a white couple makes and whether or not they are married. It’s like around 50k.(or maybe its 60k) If it’s over 50k, then the couple is probably married and the wife can afford to stay at home with the kids. If it’s under 50k, then either both parents are working or they aren’t married so as to avoid the marriage tax.

  136. Steve, the obvious question to ask is what Zuckerberg thinks of his sister’s clear distaste for the actual discipline, the one that he considered entering.

    Then you might consider more nebulous questions such as whether she wants to destroy the discipline because of her dislike for his love of it. Unfortunately the first page of google search results don’t tell me when she was born, so i can’t even just-so-storyism a theory about him/her (not)following the other’s footsteps.

  137. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Way wait. How exactly could the four kids have expected to inherit a couple million by their 40s? From their dad's dentist practice? They don't make that much, unless they're in Beverly Hills or something related to cosmetic dentistry for the top 1%.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    From profiles I’ve read of Zuckerberg’s parents, Dr. Zuckerberg has an extremely successful dental practice in the Tri-State Area. The notion that, without Facebook, he’d have eventually left an estate of around $10 million to split among his four kids seems plausible within an order of magnitude either way.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Steve Sailer

    They fact he practiced from a home office and kept working after his son's net worth was above $30 billion tells me he is a bit of a saver and workaholic.

  138. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    She said she decided that her own children were her top priority.
     
    I know a lot of upper-middle class couples with kids. The mothers either don't work or have part-time (less than 20 hours a week) jobs. Despite the feminist propaganda, moms with full-time jobs tend to be prole-tier.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @SFG

    I believe you, but I have friends in medicine, and there also seem to be these double-doctor couples that both maintain practices.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @SFG


    I believe you, but I have friends in medicine, and there also seem to be these double-doctor couples that both maintain practices.
     
    Yeah, I've run into those kinds of couples. However, of the ones that I know, the wife cuts way,way back on her hours once she has kids.
  139. He loves Rome so much that he thinks all the world should share in the enthusiasm.

    Rome and Italy exists for non-Italians to invade, colonize, and take over.

    No wonder Zuck appreciates the African love of Italian shores. They share his love for Italy.

    All Boats lead to Italy.

  140. @Art Deco
    I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time, but it couldn’t have been easy growing up as Mark Zuckerberg’s sister.

    It's an intact 4-child family, one brother, 3 sisters. My mother grew up in a household with precisely the same configuration, and, no, it wasn't difficult being her brother's sister (for her or either of her sisters). What gives with this 'it couldn't have been...'. Larry Ellison has a reputation for being a monster, Steve Jobs had a reputation for being difficult and unpleasant in most settings, and Bill Gates has had a reputation for being rude to subordinates (though not family members). Is Zuckerberg like that at all?

    Replies: @BB753

    “Is Zuckerberg like that at all?”

    Well, he certainly doesn’t come across as a pleasant person. And all that money must have gone over his head.

  141. How can anyone be worried about stuff like this at a time like this, when source code is rotting in the fields?

  142. @SFG
    @syonredux

    I believe you, but I have friends in medicine, and there also seem to be these double-doctor couples that both maintain practices.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I believe you, but I have friends in medicine, and there also seem to be these double-doctor couples that both maintain practices.

    Yeah, I’ve run into those kinds of couples. However, of the ones that I know, the wife cuts way,way back on her hours once she has kids.

  143. @Expletive Deleted
    @black sea

    Warren Mitchell, who played Alf Garnett in 'Till Death Do Us Part', was very proudly Jewish, and played Alf as a generic London prole, i.e. the scriptwriter's father ("Speight explained he had originally based Alf on his father, an East End docker who was staunchly reactionary and held "unenlightened" attitudes toward black people"- Wiki) and Archie was based off that, apart from the fanatical devotion to the Monarchy, Churchill, Enoch Powell and West Ham FC, of course.

    Replies: @Lurker

    I think you meant to add that Archie Bunker was directly derived from Alf Garnett.

  144. “I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time…”

    Why call her a classicist?

    She shouldn’t be dignified with the title. In fact, it’s an insult to actual classicists.

    Has she done anything of substance in the field? Archaeology? Preservation? Translation? Research?

    Her “scholarship” seems to consist of just declaring “racist,” “sexist,” etc. Any idiot can do that.

    Hobbyists with metal detectors have made more valuable contributions to classical knowledge than Donna ever will.

    • Replies: @Studley
    @Millennial


    Hobbyists with metal detectors have made more valuable contributions to classical knowledge than Donna ever will.
     
    A lovely thought and I can't say it's wrong.
    That Bill Wyman (metal detector hobbyist) of The Rolling Stones finding a Roman coin in southern England contributes more than Zuck's sister educated at the finest universities.

    Replies: @Millennial

  145. @NickG
    @black sea

    I thought Archie Bunker was a rip off of the the British 70-90ss sitcom 'Till Death Us Do Part' with Warren Mitchell in the lead roll of Alf Garnett.

    Sample

    Replies: @anonymous, @black sea, @Lurker

    Not a rip off, Norman Lear bought the rights to ‘Till Death Us Do Part’. The general set up of the character and his family seem pretty similar but whether any specific scripts or stories from the original were re-used/re-written I don’t know.

  146. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Another looming debt crisis. With an example that touches on a common iSteve theme: needy/greedy family members:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/more-seniors-are-taking-loans-against-their-homes--and-its-costing-them/2017/08/25/5f154072-883a-11e7-961d-2f373b3977ee_story.html?utm_term=.b69051be1d7f

    Replies: @Ivy

    Reverse mortgage scams will be a growth industry. All that Boomer equity locked up and needing to be freed to pay fees, expenses and the occasional emolument, what could go wrong! A trillion here, a trillion there, now you’re talking about real money and not that Everett Dirksen pocket change.

    Wait until Grandma is foreclosed on and evicted to a life of pushing around a shopping cart. That might get a headline or two. Such lurid imagery will become more commonplace, just as homelessness has become part of the literal landscape. There must be a subprimey angle somewhere to juice the returns, even if the presence of purported equity would argue against that. With that much untapped money available, the fine minds on Wall Street must be working away on solutions and bonus plans.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Ivy

    I trusted Tom Selleck; now I sleep at the Y.

  147. @Malcolm X-Lax
    @syonredux

    Is it already the tenth anniversary of Kanye's mother's death? It snuck up on me. Oh well, I would say the take away next time is don't select your plastic surgeons based on skin color. For reference, see Bakke Decision.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Ivy

    And instead of some Kanye, play music from the late Michael Jackson, another malpractice victim.

  148. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    From profiles I've read of Zuckerberg's parents, Dr. Zuckerberg has an extremely successful dental practice in the Tri-State Area. The notion that, without Facebook, he'd have eventually left an estate of around $10 million to split among his four kids seems plausible within an order of magnitude either way.

    Replies: @Lot

    They fact he practiced from a home office and kept working after his son’s net worth was above $30 billion tells me he is a bit of a saver and workaholic.

  149. @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    This isn’t going to do much for your fans who say that Ashkenazi Jews didn’t come from the Mediterranean
     
    You mean the "Khazar Hypothesis?" That's been thoroughly demolished:

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.

    To sum up, their model is that a population from the Levant mixed with Italians, and shortly thereafter moved to the Rhineland (the founding bottleneck), perhaps mixing to some degree with the local Europeans there, and certainly mixing some with Slavic types when they moved to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The great preponderance of evidence suggests that Zuckerberg is a Natural Leader of Men type.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    It's notable that he's the chairman of the board of Facebook as well as its CEO. In contrast to the Google co-founders, for example, who still have Eric Schmidt as chairman.

  150. @Chiron
    @Dave Pinsen

    The relationship between Romans and Jews was more complicated than that, Julius Caesar gave decrees favoring Jews, there is records that many Jews lived in Rome before the destruction of the Temple and they mourned Julius Caesar death more than any other group according to Suetonius.

    Cicero was intimidated by a group of Jews in Rome because he was against Jews exporting gold from the Roman provinces to the Jerusalem Temple (which worked as a central bank).

    Replies: @FPD72, @cynthia curran

    Its Heriod’s daddy Antipater that helped Caesar in the Alexandrian World that Jews got a good deal with Caesar. As for Zack, I knew lots of liberal folks that like Roman history like some conservative folks like Victor Hansen like ancient Greece.

  151. @Buzz Mohawk
    Somehow a guy who created (stole) an electronic bulletin board where people share pictures of their cats doesn't seem equal to a Roman emperor.

    When he becomes Emperor, um, president, I hope I don't get fed to lions for posting this. By then it will be possible.

    Replies: @CCZ, @TheJester, @Beckow, @Alden

    I wonder when Facebook will go the way of myspace?

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Alden

    My kids would say that Facebook is well on the way to oblivion. Their generation started phasing out of FB as other media like SnapChat and InstaGram cropped up, and as insult to injury, that only parents or, gasp, grandparents, used FB now.

  152. @SFG
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember he famously refused to shut down Trump's Facebook account, and Facebook got in trouble for not weighting excessively towards POCs and so on when deciding which groups got banned.

    He loves immigration. But then, it's making him rich. As you say, there's not much money in patriotism these days.

    It's funny how everyone here piles on Zuckerberg for liking the classics. Couldn't you see that as an element of sincere appreciation for old-school, 'high' Western culture? As many people here have pointed out, there's probably some element of 'I want to be an emperor' to it, but that probably applied to a lot of classicists. Unlike his sister, he seems to appreciate it.

    Lest everyone think I am too fond of the guy, I think Facebook is a pestilential addition to the vapid social-media juggernaut and my own account is tightly controlled and gives little info, and this immigration thing is really going to mess up the country. But that's the world we live in these days.

    Replies: @guest

    It’s not that people are piling on the Zuck for liking the classics. I’m sure a good portion of the commentariat is obsessed with the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome.

    The thing is that people think Zuck’s interest reveals something about his character. Also thatch he happens to resemble a Roman emperor, which is funny. It’s funny to think of Zuck actually wanting to be emperor, especially since it could conceivably come to pass.

    (Hey, we basically are an empire and Trump just got elected. Zuck won’t be elected, because if Trump is a broadsword he’s a wet noodle. But maybe we’ll get around to Praetorian Guards appointing people in Zuck’s lifetime.)

  153. @Steve Sailer
    @syonredux

    The great preponderance of evidence suggests that Zuckerberg is a Natural Leader of Men type.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    It’s notable that he’s the chairman of the board of Facebook as well as its CEO. In contrast to the Google co-founders, for example, who still have Eric Schmidt as chairman.

  154. @SFG
    @guest

    Psychiatry is a part of medicine. I agree psychoanalysis is pseudoscientific and therapy is of varying quality, but psychiatrists go to medical school, learn biology and chemistry, and prescribe drugs to treat serious illnesses like bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.

    For all our questions about malaise and whether people undergoing trendy therapies are just upper-middle-class fainting flowers who want to look cool (and I agree psychoanalysis was probably of more value to Woody Allen movies than it was to patients), there are real, biological mental illnesses that can't be treated without drugs, and even with drugs aren't really that well treated.

    Replies: @guest

    “psychiatrists go to medical school, learn biology and chemistry…”

    Then they proceed not to become actual doctors, but to deal with the willow-the-wisp which for convenience we call “mental illness.”

    “and prescribe drugs”

    Yes, of course they do. Which I suppose means, along with street pushers, they must be dealing with actual medicine.

    “serious illnesses like bi-polar disorder and schizophrenia”

    They are serious, because we can see the malign consequences. But is “illness” the right word? Or are you just stealing that from the real medical world and misapplying to the fantasyland of the Mind?

    “There are real, biological mental illnesses”

    If there are, psychiatrists shall never find them. Let actual scientists dealing in actual medicine apply their real biological knowledge to the issue. They can come up etiologies and diagnoses, like with every other real disease. (I suppose you could say psychiatry does so on a trial and error basis, if you ignore the mumbo-jumbo of theory they lay on top of it. But they’ve been at some things for a really long time with little or nothing to show for the effort.)

    I wonder if you know how crazy (borrowing a psychiatric term) and oxymoronic is the phrase “biological mental.” Saying something is “mental” means it’s not biological, despite the fact that in the working theory of psychiatry the Mind derives ultimately from the body. Mind is not body. If it were, neuroscientists and such people would take care of it. Not psychiatrists, who were honest enough at least to tell us they deal with the “soul.”

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @guest


    “There are real, biological mental illnesses”

    If there are, psychiatrists shall never find them.
     
    Schizophrenics have identifiable biological deviations from non-schizophrenics.

    IMO, Schizophrenia is probably something like Sickle Cell Anemia where a little of it confers advantage whereas a lot... Almost undoubtedly polygenic, so the various recessive genes acting in concert haven't been fully identified/understood yet.

    But generally, most "mental illnesses" are syndromizing the tips of bell curve distributions of human behavior and these days inventing a drug to get the outliers regressed to the mean.

    Interestingly, schizophrenics tend to be shunned by pyschiatrists, who view them as hopeless. Says something about the profession that is disdains the patients in most need of help and with the most obvious biological causation. They'd rather diagnosis some active/healthy boy with ADD and give him some pills to make him sit still in class.
  155. @Millennial
    "I give classicist Donna Zuckerberg a hard time..."

    Why call her a classicist?

    She shouldn't be dignified with the title. In fact, it's an insult to actual classicists.

    Has she done anything of substance in the field? Archaeology? Preservation? Translation? Research?

    Her "scholarship" seems to consist of just declaring "racist," "sexist," etc. Any idiot can do that.

    Hobbyists with metal detectors have made more valuable contributions to classical knowledge than Donna ever will.

    Replies: @Studley

    Hobbyists with metal detectors have made more valuable contributions to classical knowledge than Donna ever will.

    A lovely thought and I can’t say it’s wrong.
    That Bill Wyman (metal detector hobbyist) of The Rolling Stones finding a Roman coin in southern England contributes more than Zuck’s sister educated at the finest universities.

    • Replies: @Millennial
    @Studley

    You're right - finding even just one coin contributes more than Donna Z.

    Initially I was thinking more of the battlefields at Kalkriese and Harzhorn, both discovered by amateur metal detecting (in the case of the Harzhorn, detecting done illegally).

    Replies: @Ivy

  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @J1234

    I think there is a very good chance she has read every post about her here as well as the comments. It isn't like she is a busy person with a tough job, amd vanity enjoys negative attention almost as much as positive. Maybe there is a ton of other people writing high traffic blog posts about her, but probably not.

    Replies: @J1234, @Anonymous

    Absolutely:
    “Her book Not All Dead White Men, a study of the reception of Classics in Red Pill communities, is under contract with Harvard University Press.”
    Reading this blog is her job.

    And I mean that in a literal and objective sense. It doesn’t matter if people right here don’t throw around the term “red pill” quite so much. She’s using that term in a loose sense, that more “woke” leftists might catch, just as they might catch “alt-right”. For them, it sort of means “basket of deplorables”, with connotations of being more internet savvy than expected, and more educated than expected.

    I assume she’s reading this very comment. Hi, Donna. I welcome your opposition. In my better moments I aspire to be a Nietzschean, and so I want my opponents to be as strong as possible. You are striking at the right target. Strive to do your best. I look forward to reading your book.

  157. @syonredux
    @Malcolm X-Lax


    Taylor Swift Is Releasing Her Album on the 10th Anniversary of Donda West’s Death, and Black Twitter Is Not Pleased
     

    Before we begin, we should first acknowledge that all Beckies are the same. Maybe one day in the near future we will have a complete listing of the different kinds of Beckies, but for today, you should just know that according to the National Academy of White Women Arts and Sciences, Taylor Swift is rated as a Class C Becky, which is a midlevel ranking that corresponds to her milquetoast, passive-aggressive whiteness.
     

    But for all her alabaster averageness, Swift sits in the Beckydom somewhere between Megyn Kelly and the white woman at your job who secretly complained to HR when you wore a Black Lives Matter T-shirt on casual Friday.

    On Thursday, Taylor Swift released the first single from her expected-to-be-a-hit album Reputation. Although no one has heard it, it is expected to be another compilation of angst-filled songs calling out her ex-boyfriends, and tunes waxing rhapsodic about how hard it is for a young, blond, millionaire white woman to get ahead in the world.

    Here’s the problem: The album will be released on Nov. 10, which is (probably not) coincidentally 10 years after of the death of nemesis Kanye West’s mother, Donda, to the exact day.
     
    http://thegrapevine.theroot.com/taylor-swift-is-releasing-her-album-on-the-10th-anniver-1798429589

    Replies: @El Dato

    Smoldering (or is it Pandering?) Black Racism in Showbiz: Serious Business!

    So, is Taylor Swift actually a Nazi?

    I have a 4chan image on my disk with Swift in a tailored SS uniform. Probably proof.

  158. @Art Deco
    It took years for him to realize that Freudianism wasn’t supposed to be real, it was just a way for Jewish workaholics to vent about their family members for 50 minutes and then get back to making money. Only trusting WASPs like P.R. took it seriously. Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.

    Kevin McDonald has evidently persuaded everyone associated with VDARE to talk like idiots.

    Replies: @Jake, @utu, @Dennis Dale

    http://www.chronicle.com/article/Freuds-Visit-to-Clark-U/48424/
    One hundred years ago, Sigmund Freud arrived in the United States on his first and only visit. As the George Washington pulled into New York Harbor, he supposedly remarked to Carl Jung, who accompanied him, “They don’t realize that we are bringing them the plague.”

    Did Freud read Kevin McDonald as well?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @utu

    He 'supposedly' made some stray remark, ergo everythings a fiendish Jew plot. You're working hard at taking McDonald seriously.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @kaganovitch
    @utu

    Actually that comment of Freud makes precisely the opposite point. It's just another example of Shloymele Freud's grandiosity and megalomania. Freud fancied himself as revealing great and painful "truths" to Mankind. This is what he meant by the "plague". Wittgenstein was well aware of this tendency in Freud , and remarked "Freud in his analysis provides explanations which many people are inclined to accept. He emphasizes that people are disinclined to accept them. But if the explanation is one which people are disinclined to accept, it is highly probable that it is al so one which they are inclined to accept. And this is what Freud had actually brought out. Take Freud’s view that anxiety is always a repetition in some way of the anxiety we felt at birth . He does not establish this by reference to evidence-for he could not do so. But it is an idea which has a marked attraction. It has the attraction which mythological explanations have, explanations which say that this is all a repetition of something that has happened before. And when people do accept or adopt this, then certain things seem much clearer and easier for them. So it is with the notion of the unconscious also."

    Freud did not see himself as a canny huckster who is ripping off the foolish goyishe kep. Nor did the legions of Jewish patients who entered analysis think of it as a ritual Seinfeld type exercise that has one meaning for Jews and another for Gentiles. While I can't speak to paleo-retiree's personal experience, there is no reason why his experience should be accepted as paradigmatic , while the experience of the Jewish mom of the Farmland weeper Sayrafiezadeh who was hospitalized for severe depression after her therapist mentioned that she might move away is taken as anomalous. Perhaps Mrs nee Finklestein wasn't in on the joke? I am unfortunate enough to know a dozen Jewish people who entered into Freudian analysis. None of them conceived of it as Steve thinks.

    Replies: @Ivy

  159. Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole. It seems like a pretty effective ethnic tradition at keeping Jews away from each others’ throats (although the damage to the rest of society is not insignificant)

    Why Jews rule the world and goyim are lining up for service in afghanistan

  160. Prediction: More of Brievik at best, worst a low level street violence combined with massive dislocation of people, gang rape a daily occurence.

    All White victims forgotten and not reported on, all non-white filth shoved down our throat which you joke about jews having some ethnic freudian joke going on and laff to yourself

    Thing is it’s been going going on for years

  161. Steve Sailer hasn’t had an original thought in a decade and his critics are even worse. The best thing that could happen to the white race is a mass extinction moment of the entire boomer detritus that has sold us down the river, suckholed the jew, prostituted the future.

    No goy White should ever be allowed to go into death without it being demanded: what did you ever do for us? And depending on the answer it should be buried in an marked or unmarked grave or not.

    Essays extolling the mass slaughter of Churchill of the Germans, or Americans prostituting the southern people in Reconstruction, or the benefits of usury straightening out the family finances will be scored lower.

  162. @guest
    @Art Deco

    "A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering"

    Psychiatry isn't medicine, so that's neither here nor there. Unless we extend your statement to all the professions, with which I agree.

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn't burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    Psychiatry isn’t medicine, so that’s neither here nor there.

    That’s nice. Psychiatrists are stewed through medical schools, follow three-year residencies and two-year fellowships, are on the attending list at hospitals, and spend their days interviewing people in distress and prescribing them medications. Psychiatry has its systemic problems as a discipline (see Paul McHugh on the subject, and Thomas Szasz). The work day for psychiatrists is much the same as it is for ‘real’ doctors, with the exception that they interview fewer patients. And, yes, some people burn out.

  163. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    SJWs and POC still don't like Taylor Swift:

    In contrast, others are identifying it as the pop-star blatantly doubling down on her “Old Taylor”-ness, retreating into the familiar role of victim, and adopting the language/imagery of female empowerment for her own brand. Once a snake, always a snake. Vulture called the single “dead on arrival” and many were quick to point out similarities to Beyoncé Lemonade, which no mortal creature can live up to.
     

    No, I don’t believe that Swift’s team purposefully planned the album release on the 10th anniversary of Kanye’s mother Donda West’s death (though that is definitely a huge PR flub that shouldn’t have happened), though “I don’t like your little games / Don’t like your tilted stage” and “The role you made me play: of the fool/ No, I don’t like you” are clear references to the rapper and Kardashian.

    While the track is mostly underwhelming, as are the brief visuals we saw accompanying it, it was still met with a huge reaction online. The controversy around Swift and her feuds is, in one sense, a typical kind of Hollywood gossip—these stories get tons and tons of clicks because people love the drama (“Another day, another drama, drama”). However, it also lies in a larger conversation about how the singer often wields her white womanhood. Whether you are a fan or not, Swift is a hugely influential figure who inserts herself in these larger conversations about female representation and feminism
     

    Public figures are—both fairly and unfairly—scrutinized more because of the influence they hold. Swift has been highly criticized for using feminism as a marketing tool, staying mostly silent during the election, and manipulating the press through victimhood. In the case with Kanye, it felt especially sinister how the entire situation fit into the mold of “scary black man bullies white girl.” (I reommend this Buzzfeed article, which is a detailed, and in-depth dive into how Swift’s career has often played on the projection of victimhood.)
     
    https://www.themarysue.com/taylor-swift-look-what-you-made-me-do/

    Replies: @DFH, @Jack Hanson, @Malcolm X-Lax, @Perplexed

    But West did bully Swift: He commandeered the stage when she got an award, he (though married) said they might have sex, he said he made her famous, he called her a bitch, and he put a representation of her naked in a bed with him (and others). Miscegenation would have destroyed her brand.

    I’m surprised it took her so long to call him out.

  164. @utu
    @Art Deco


    http://www.chronicle.com/article/Freuds-Visit-to-Clark-U/48424/
    One hundred years ago, Sigmund Freud arrived in the United States on his first and only visit. As the George Washington pulled into New York Harbor, he supposedly remarked to Carl Jung, who accompanied him, “They don’t realize that we are bringing them the plague.”
     
    Did Freud read Kevin McDonald as well?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch

    He ‘supposedly’ made some stray remark, ergo everythings a fiendish Jew plot. You’re working hard at taking McDonald seriously.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    You’re working hard at taking McDonald seriously.
     
    Rest assured - nobody is wasting their time taking you seriously.
  165. @guest
    @Art Deco

    "A certain number of women burn out in medicine, law, and engineering"

    Psychiatry isn't medicine, so that's neither here nor there. Unless we extend your statement to all the professions, with which I agree.

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn't burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    Maybe Mrs. Zuck didn’t burn out, but foresaw that life as a mommy would be better than pretending to help people with their dumb feelings.

    Your image of psychiatry is about 40 years out of date. You’re describing counselors, clinical social workers, and clinical psychologists. Psychiatrists take inventories and write scrips. The sort of insight-oriented therapy you’re thinking about was a minority taste 30 years ago among psychiatrists, and there are also other approaches (e.g. cognitive therapy and behavioral therapies) for practitioners of talk therapy. As for Freud and Jung, I was on the staff of a university medical center the better part of a generation ago. There was one psychiatrist left on the clinical faculty who advertised his psychoanalytic training. That man was born in 1923 and died in 1996.

    See Fuller Torrey: working psychiatrists commit themselves to supervising schizophrenics. Others are trying to straighten out addicts. Torrey in his critique of psychiatry does flay the post-war psychiatrists who abandoned the asylum in favor of a comfortable (if futile) office practice. The generation of psychiatrists who did that are pretty much all retired or dead.

  166. @Ivy
    @Mr. Anon

    Reverse mortgage scams will be a growth industry. All that Boomer equity locked up and needing to be freed to pay fees, expenses and the occasional emolument, what could go wrong! A trillion here, a trillion there, now you're talking about real money and not that Everett Dirksen pocket change.

    Wait until Grandma is foreclosed on and evicted to a life of pushing around a shopping cart. That might get a headline or two. Such lurid imagery will become more commonplace, just as homelessness has become part of the literal landscape. There must be a subprimey angle somewhere to juice the returns, even if the presence of purported equity would argue against that. With that much untapped money available, the fine minds on Wall Street must be working away on solutions and bonus plans.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I trusted Tom Selleck; now I sleep at the Y.

  167. @Art Deco
    @utu

    He 'supposedly' made some stray remark, ergo everythings a fiendish Jew plot. You're working hard at taking McDonald seriously.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    You’re working hard at taking McDonald seriously.

    Rest assured – nobody is wasting their time taking you seriously.

  168. @guest
    @SFG

    "psychiatrists go to medical school, learn biology and chemistry..."

    Then they proceed not to become actual doctors, but to deal with the willow-the-wisp which for convenience we call "mental illness."

    "and prescribe drugs"

    Yes, of course they do. Which I suppose means, along with street pushers, they must be dealing with actual medicine.

    "serious illnesses like bi-polar disorder and schizophrenia"

    They are serious, because we can see the malign consequences. But is "illness" the right word? Or are you just stealing that from the real medical world and misapplying to the fantasyland of the Mind?

    "There are real, biological mental illnesses"

    If there are, psychiatrists shall never find them. Let actual scientists dealing in actual medicine apply their real biological knowledge to the issue. They can come up etiologies and diagnoses, like with every other real disease. (I suppose you could say psychiatry does so on a trial and error basis, if you ignore the mumbo-jumbo of theory they lay on top of it. But they've been at some things for a really long time with little or nothing to show for the effort.)

    I wonder if you know how crazy (borrowing a psychiatric term) and oxymoronic is the phrase "biological mental." Saying something is "mental" means it's not biological, despite the fact that in the working theory of psychiatry the Mind derives ultimately from the body. Mind is not body. If it were, neuroscientists and such people would take care of it. Not psychiatrists, who were honest enough at least to tell us they deal with the "soul."

    Replies: @anonguy

    “There are real, biological mental illnesses”

    If there are, psychiatrists shall never find them.

    Schizophrenics have identifiable biological deviations from non-schizophrenics.

    IMO, Schizophrenia is probably something like Sickle Cell Anemia where a little of it confers advantage whereas a lot… Almost undoubtedly polygenic, so the various recessive genes acting in concert haven’t been fully identified/understood yet.

    But generally, most “mental illnesses” are syndromizing the tips of bell curve distributions of human behavior and these days inventing a drug to get the outliers regressed to the mean.

    Interestingly, schizophrenics tend to be shunned by pyschiatrists, who view them as hopeless. Says something about the profession that is disdains the patients in most need of help and with the most obvious biological causation. They’d rather diagnosis some active/healthy boy with ADD and give him some pills to make him sit still in class.

  169. @jb
    @syonredux

    That was a really interesting video, but I'd be a lot happier if there had been some explanation of where the colors had come from. Did every one of those statues actually have traces of paint, sufficient to allow a full reconstruction of that particular statue's color, and did somebody actually do the necessary work to recover all of the ancient colors for each of those statues? I suspect the guy who made the video was making a lot of those colors up, based certainly on some real work that had been done, but to a great extent here on his own imagination.

    Replies: @syonredux

    That was a really interesting video, but I’d be a lot happier if there had been some explanation of where the colors had come from. Did every one of those statues actually have traces of paint,

    That’s my understanding. The “colorized” versions are based on traces of pigment that have been detected on the originals

    No longer; German archaeologist Vinzenz Brinkmann is on a mission. Armed with high-intensity lamps, ultraviolet light, cameras, plaster casts and jars of costly powdered minerals, he has spent the past quarter century trying to revive the peacock glory that was Greece. He has dramatized his scholarly findings by creating full-scale plaster or marble copies hand-painted in the same mineral and organic pigments used by the ancients: green from malachite, blue from azurite, yellow and ocher from arsenic compounds, red from cinnabar, black from burned bone and vine.

    Call them gaudy, call them garish, his scrupulous color reconstructions made their debut in 2003 at the Glyptothek museum in Munich, which is devoted to Greek and Roman statuary. Displayed side by side with the placid antiquities of that fabled collection, the replicas shocked and dazzled those who came to see them. As Time magazine summed up the response, “The exhibition forces you to look at ancient sculpture in a totally new way.”

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/true-colors-17888/

  170. @DFH
    @Ragno

    Why would a Nazi be bothered by a Jewish women's micegenation?

    Replies: @Lot

    HAHAHA!

  171. @Studley
    @Millennial


    Hobbyists with metal detectors have made more valuable contributions to classical knowledge than Donna ever will.
     
    A lovely thought and I can't say it's wrong.
    That Bill Wyman (metal detector hobbyist) of The Rolling Stones finding a Roman coin in southern England contributes more than Zuck's sister educated at the finest universities.

    Replies: @Millennial

    You’re right – finding even just one coin contributes more than Donna Z.

    Initially I was thinking more of the battlefields at Kalkriese and Harzhorn, both discovered by amateur metal detecting (in the case of the Harzhorn, detecting done illegally).

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Millennial

    Visualize Richard Nixon in shorts, black socks and wing tips, yeah he actually wore that on the beach, metal detector in hand looking for the Treasure of San Clemente. No word on any doubloons or piece of eight unearthed at Key Biscayne, as he probably traded those to Bebe Rebozo for signed Elvis albums. Imagine if other Presidents had fun hobbies. What would Obama do when not golfing, take up macramé?

  172. @utu
    @Art Deco


    http://www.chronicle.com/article/Freuds-Visit-to-Clark-U/48424/
    One hundred years ago, Sigmund Freud arrived in the United States on his first and only visit. As the George Washington pulled into New York Harbor, he supposedly remarked to Carl Jung, who accompanied him, “They don’t realize that we are bringing them the plague.”
     
    Did Freud read Kevin McDonald as well?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch

    Actually that comment of Freud makes precisely the opposite point. It’s just another example of Shloymele Freud’s grandiosity and megalomania. Freud fancied himself as revealing great and painful “truths” to Mankind. This is what he meant by the “plague”. Wittgenstein was well aware of this tendency in Freud , and remarked “Freud in his analysis provides explanations which many people are inclined to accept. He emphasizes that people are disinclined to accept them. But if the explanation is one which people are disinclined to accept, it is highly probable that it is al so one which they are inclined to accept. And this is what Freud had actually brought out. Take Freud’s view that anxiety is always a repetition in some way of the anxiety we felt at birth . He does not establish this by reference to evidence-for he could not do so. But it is an idea which has a marked attraction. It has the attraction which mythological explanations have, explanations which say that this is all a repetition of something that has happened before. And when people do accept or adopt this, then certain things seem much clearer and easier for them. So it is with the notion of the unconscious also.”

    Freud did not see himself as a canny huckster who is ripping off the foolish goyishe kep. Nor did the legions of Jewish patients who entered analysis think of it as a ritual Seinfeld type exercise that has one meaning for Jews and another for Gentiles. While I can’t speak to paleo-retiree’s personal experience, there is no reason why his experience should be accepted as paradigmatic , while the experience of the Jewish mom of the Farmland weeper Sayrafiezadeh who was hospitalized for severe depression after her therapist mentioned that she might move away is taken as anomalous. Perhaps Mrs nee Finklestein wasn’t in on the joke? I am unfortunate enough to know a dozen Jewish people who entered into Freudian analysis. None of them conceived of it as Steve thinks.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @kaganovitch

    Dr. Niles Crane weighs in :)

    http://www.quotes.net/mquote/735205

  173. @Art Deco
    It took years for him to realize that Freudianism wasn’t supposed to be real, it was just a way for Jewish workaholics to vent about their family members for 50 minutes and then get back to making money. Only trusting WASPs like P.R. took it seriously. Similarly, a lot of today’s Social Justice Jihadism appears to be a way for Jews to project their various resentments of their loved ones out on to society as a whole.

    Kevin McDonald has evidently persuaded everyone associated with VDARE to talk like idiots.

    Replies: @Jake, @utu, @Dennis Dale

    Not that a factual basis would make that one-liner work, but if you’d read MacDonald you’d know he makes none of those claims. You might also figure out it’s hardly necessary. The critique is plenty damning without that level of speculation about individual motives.

  174. @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I wonder when Facebook will go the way of myspace?

    Replies: @Ivy

    My kids would say that Facebook is well on the way to oblivion. Their generation started phasing out of FB as other media like SnapChat and InstaGram cropped up, and as insult to injury, that only parents or, gasp, grandparents, used FB now.

  175. @Millennial
    @Studley

    You're right - finding even just one coin contributes more than Donna Z.

    Initially I was thinking more of the battlefields at Kalkriese and Harzhorn, both discovered by amateur metal detecting (in the case of the Harzhorn, detecting done illegally).

    Replies: @Ivy

    Visualize Richard Nixon in shorts, black socks and wing tips, yeah he actually wore that on the beach, metal detector in hand looking for the Treasure of San Clemente. No word on any doubloons or piece of eight unearthed at Key Biscayne, as he probably traded those to Bebe Rebozo for signed Elvis albums. Imagine if other Presidents had fun hobbies. What would Obama do when not golfing, take up macramé?

  176. @kaganovitch
    @utu

    Actually that comment of Freud makes precisely the opposite point. It's just another example of Shloymele Freud's grandiosity and megalomania. Freud fancied himself as revealing great and painful "truths" to Mankind. This is what he meant by the "plague". Wittgenstein was well aware of this tendency in Freud , and remarked "Freud in his analysis provides explanations which many people are inclined to accept. He emphasizes that people are disinclined to accept them. But if the explanation is one which people are disinclined to accept, it is highly probable that it is al so one which they are inclined to accept. And this is what Freud had actually brought out. Take Freud’s view that anxiety is always a repetition in some way of the anxiety we felt at birth . He does not establish this by reference to evidence-for he could not do so. But it is an idea which has a marked attraction. It has the attraction which mythological explanations have, explanations which say that this is all a repetition of something that has happened before. And when people do accept or adopt this, then certain things seem much clearer and easier for them. So it is with the notion of the unconscious also."

    Freud did not see himself as a canny huckster who is ripping off the foolish goyishe kep. Nor did the legions of Jewish patients who entered analysis think of it as a ritual Seinfeld type exercise that has one meaning for Jews and another for Gentiles. While I can't speak to paleo-retiree's personal experience, there is no reason why his experience should be accepted as paradigmatic , while the experience of the Jewish mom of the Farmland weeper Sayrafiezadeh who was hospitalized for severe depression after her therapist mentioned that she might move away is taken as anomalous. Perhaps Mrs nee Finklestein wasn't in on the joke? I am unfortunate enough to know a dozen Jewish people who entered into Freudian analysis. None of them conceived of it as Steve thinks.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Dr. Niles Crane weighs in 🙂

    http://www.quotes.net/mquote/735205

  177. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The inhuman cleverness of Octavian, even as a small boy, making everyone around him feel dim witted. Even his great-uncle was impressed:

    “It would look strange is he made no effort. Actually losing the eagel is useful to Caesar. Pompey is no deep philosopher: he will take a symbolic loss for a real weakness. Caesar didn’t want to strike the first blow against an old friend. So he wishes to lure Pompey into attacking him first. Pompey will only do this if he believes that Caesar is weak. When Julia died, the last bond between them was cut. Caesar has taken the love of the common people from Pompey, his most prized possession. The battle is inevitable.”

    Such was the boy that would grow up to become the de facto King of The World. No wonder Zuckerberg is inspired.

    Now, Zuckerberg is an intelligent and capable man, but he is no Octavian. He is not on his level. Very few people in World history are. Zuckerberg will fail epically in becoming what he wants to become. Having a media empire and a real empire(political/military/cultural) are two very different things. Being the head of Facebook is relevant, but not as relevant as being Roman Emperor was for it’s time.

  178. Freudian theory and things like Jungian psychology are pre-scientific. Many, many people who decide to study modern psychology are gravely disappointed when it turns out not to be all about sitting in a wing-backed chair spouting theories and more about properly handling statistics.

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