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Law professor Mary Ellen Turpel Lafond is a well-known member of Canada’s Great and the Good.

She’s received eleven honorary degrees from law schools for being the first Canadian Amerindian this and that, despite being extremely white-looking.

Not surprisingly, a long investigative report by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation can’t find any evidence of her actually being an Indian.

Disputed history

Prominent scholar and former judge Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond says she is a treaty Indian of Cree ancestry — but her claims don’t appear to match the historical record. Her story illuminates a complex and growing discussion about Indigenous identity that’s playing out across the country.

By Geoff Leo
Senior Investigative Reporter
Oct. 12, 2022

… A 2021 recipient of the Order of Canada, Turpel-Lafond is considered to be one of the most accomplished and decorated Indigenous scholars in Canadian history.

She rose to national prominence during the Charlottetown Accord debates in the 1990s as a constitutional adviser to Ovide Mercredi, the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations. …

The 59-year-old Harvard- and Cambridge-educated lawyer and professor says she’s biologically Cree through her father, who grew up on the Norway House Cree Nation in Manitoba. She has also said she’s a treaty Indian who was originally connected to Norway House. Later in life, she transferred to her husband’s community: the Muskeg Lake Cree Nation in Saskatchewan.

A 1989 academic article she wrote about Indigenous people and the Canadian Constitution included a biography that referenced her First Nations name: “Mary Ellen Turpel is Aki-Kwe. Born of a Cree father and an Anglo-Canadian mother.”

In 1998, she was appointed as a provincial court judge in Saskatchewan, which she has said made her “the first treaty Indian to be appointed to the court“ in the province’s history. She has said her “First Nations background and Cree background” brought “extra value to my understanding of what I see in the courtroom.”

A 2017 Globe and Mail story said that amid growing pressure to put an Indigenous jurist on the Supreme Court, Turpel-Lafond’s name was one of two most commonly mentioned.

… Turpel-Lafond’s accomplishments have earned her international attention. In 1994, Time magazine named her one of “The Global 100” leaders of the new millennium, alongside the likes of Bill Gates and former U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, for her role in Canada’s constitutional debates. In 1999, the magazine selected her one of the top Canadian “leaders for the 21st century,” recognized for her work building a “more inclusive legal system” and championing “restorative justice.”

It all seems even more astounding when set against her personal history.

“Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond grew up in poverty in Norway House, Manitoba,” Jutras told the crowd at the McGill ceremony in 2014. The Norway House is an isolated northern community consisting of the Norway House Cree Nation and a small municipality.

“As a child, she was surrounded by domestic violence. But she has lived her own life at a furious pace, urging other marginalized women to become the masters of their own destiny,” Jutras said. …

CBC located more than a dozen news stories written over the past 30 years that addressed Turpel-Lafond’s early years. Virtually all indicate she was born and/or raised in Norway House or on a Manitoba reserve. …

The Saturday Night magazine article described the home life she and her three older sisters experienced as children in Norway House. “Like so many Native homes, hers was rife with alcoholism, poverty and violence. She regularly witnessed her father striking her mother and suffered abuse herself.”

But, nah, she was born and grew up in Niagara Falls.

It strikes me that she probably sort of believes her claims that her late father Bill Turpel was of partial Indian descent. Maybe she heard them from her father.

Her father spent some years as a child living at Norway House on an Indian reservation. But he wasn’t an Indian himself. His father was the white doctor sent by the government to care for the Indians and his mother was an English immigrant.

Within the family, there are differing opinions on the late Bill. One cousin thinks his Uncle Bill was part Indian:

Jim said he continues to believe his uncle was Indigenous. He said as an adult, his Uncle Bill looked very different from the rest of the family — shorter and stockier, with darker skin. …

He said Uncle Bill was a “wild” character with a “serious drinking problem”…

Of course, there have been white Canadians with serious drinking problems too. Perhaps it seems more tragically romantic if your alcoholic wife-beater dad is an Indian alcoholic wife-beater?

Jim said his grandfather, Dr. Turpel, also took note of Uncle Bill’s eccentricities.

“I recall my grandfather frequently saying ‘that’s the Native in him’ when he would do something that no one seemed to understand, which was really frequent,” Jim said. He said he tried talking to his dad about Uncle Bill’s biological descent, but his father declined — a fact Jim found to be out of character for his father.

Jim’s mother, Barbara, told CBC she has her doubts that William was Indigenous, believing instead that he was the child of Dr. and Mrs. Turpel.

She said he and her husband “looked like brothers, although [William] was smaller.”

The CBC article goes to some lengths to rule out possibilities of Bill being part Indians, such as that Bill was the son of the doctor and a reservation woman: they tracked down a birth announcement in Victoria.

But I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Turpel-Lafond decided as a child that her father was Indian and that she constructed her identity around that, and that didn’t look for disconfirmatory evidence. That wouldn’t be the worst thing ever.

But the CBC assembles a lot of evidence that Turpel-Lafond shades the truth to aid her ambitiousness. Here’s an interesting section. One of the only times I’ve seen the mainstream media present evidence that somebody benefitted from affirmative action:

Turpel-Lafond told CBC her career success is not related to her claim to Indigenous ancestry.

“I have competed for every job alongside all other candidates,” she wrote. “Although I have often worked in the fields of Indigenous justice and child welfare, I have never been awarded a position on an affirmative-action basis.” Affirmative action is the practice of prioritizing the hiring of a specific demographic group that has historically faced discrimination.

This is a point that Turpel-Lafond has been making for years. A 1995 profile of her career in the Ottawa Citizen said she “is proud that she did not get ahead through affirmative-action programs for Natives.”

However, CBC has found documentation that appears to show that early in her career, Turpel-Lafond was targeted for hire at Dalhousie University in part because of her Indigenous ancestry.

In a 1990 interview published in the book Dalhousie Law School — An Oral History, then-professor Faye Woodman noted that in the 1980s, the law school began an aggressive and successful affirmative-action campaign to hire female professors. That success prompted Woodman to exclaim “the thing that impresses me most about the law school is the program of affirmative action.”

However, she noted, “for Aboriginal people and Black people, it is a dismal situation, right across Canada.” Woodman said this prompted the university to target “two Aboriginal women” for hire: Patricia Monture and Mary Ellen Turpel.

“We worked very hard as an appointments committee to encourage them to come,” Woodman recalled. “We coaxed them and tried to persuade them in every way that we could think.”

Turpel-Lafond started work as a law professor at Dalhousie on July 1, 1989.

Of course, if she weren’t white, they’d never mention it.

 
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  1. Anon[180] • Disclaimer says:

    One thing that I’m surprised hasn’t become a thing is people getting other people’s drinking glasses, water bottles, hairs, nail clippings, Kleenex, used over-the-counter Covid tests, whatever, and sending it off to be analyzed and posting the results—and the entire genome—on the internet. I suppose there must be some privacy safeguards, clickwrapped contractual terms or the like, but come on, for a celebrity or major politician, and with analysis costs so low, it seems like the natural successor to the paparazzi business. I’d bet it’s almost at the point where you could buy the equipment yourself and do analyses.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    I've always been surprised that Slick Willie hasn't (anonymously) done that to Chelsea Clinton and opened the door for his dunning Webster for child support.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    , @guest007
    @Anon

    the lawsuits would follow quickly if one tried to punish the genetics of another individual. That would be the equivalent of publishing someone's medical records.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @guest007

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    One thing that I’m surprised hasn’t become a thing is people getting other people’s drinking glasses, water bottles, hairs, nail clippings, Kleenex, used over-the-counter Covid tests, whatever, and sending it off to be analyzed and posting the results—and the entire genome—on the internet.
     
    DNA testing for Indian ancestry isn’t very reliable.
  2. “Like so many Native homes, hers was rife with alcoholism, poverty and violence.”

    What exactly are they saying about “natives” here??

    “I recall my grandfather frequently saying ‘that’s the Native in him’ when he would do something that no one seemed to understand, which was really frequent”

    BS. They didn’t call them “natives” back then.

    the first Canadian Amerindian

    Canamerindian? When she dies, Cadaverindian? Okay I’m sorta winging it here.

    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @West reanimator
    @Polistra


    BS. They didn’t call them “natives” back then.
     
    Good catch. The woman's obviously a shameless, habitual liar.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  3. Let’s say hypothetically she is 1/16 indigenous Indian. That means she’s white, with a distant Indian ancestor. How do these people come to totally identify with a distant ancestor to the exclusion of their overwhelmingly primary identity? I guess it’s the one-drop rule here.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    I don't know if it is true, but I've heard that the average US Indian is 75% white by blood. Thinking of the reservation Indians I've seen, that seems kinda high, but I wouldn't be surprised if the white percentage of Indians is as high or higher than, say, the white percentage of African-Americans of about 20%.

    Nevertheless, in the US there is a legal definition of an Indian, and it has nothing to do with blood quantum. It is whether or not you are on the Indian tribal rolls. If you are on one, you are legally an Indian. If you are not on one, you ain't. Elizabeth Warren ain't. Her dubious genetic claims are legally irrelevant.

    I don't know the Canadian system, but it sounds like Canada has an equivalent of tribal rolls called "a treaty Indian". And it sounds like Mary Ellen Turpel Lafond* ain't one of those. So, like Warren, Lafond's fallback position is to claim some putative blood quantum. But also like Warren, even the blood claim looks pretty dubious.

    ---------

    * Would it be too much to ask for her to settle on just two—or even three—of her four names? This four name thing suggests a n untoward grandness and self-importance, perhaps a certain over-reliance on ancestry rather than accomplishment...

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Anonymous, @Hannah Katz

    , @njguy73
    @Anon


    How do these people come to totally identify with a distant ancestor to the exclusion of their overwhelmingly primary identity? I guess it’s the one-drop rule here
     
    .

    You reward people for doing something, they'll do it.
    , @VivaLaMigra
    @Anon


    That means she’s white, with a distant Indian ancestor.

     

    Yeah, this reminds me of the typical Open Borders Whack Job who says: "My great-great grandfather immigrated here from [fill in name of a 19th Century Shit Hole here]."

    To which my obvious rejoinder is: "Which one? You had EIGHT!"
    , @anonymouseperson
    @Anon

    It's the money, benefits and status rule. A 100 years ago, in a very different world, they would have been advocating their being white.

    Replies: @Liza

  4. They could take back all those awards she won, but I guess that would be Indian-giving.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hypnotoad666

    Seeing as Steve must be somewhat of a fan to have put that George Castanza meme up, this is obligatory at this point. It was also one of the funniest episodes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGfyp6MxkM

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hypnotoad666

    Unz software glitch last time;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGfyp6MxkM

  5. a complex and growing discussion about Indigenous identity

    Euphemism of the day! It’s really not complex at all.

    She has said her “First Nations background and Cree background” brought “extra value to my understanding of what I see in the courtroom.”

    So we have Elizabeth Warren and Sonia Sotomayor in one.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  6. One common factor among these fake indigenous etc. people is that they are very disproportionately women. It seems to appeal to the female sense of drama and romance to think that you were disadvantaged and marginalized even if you weren’t. Stolen squalor, if you will.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @anon

    Stolen squalor. Very good, sir.

    Perhaps a mite bit better as stolen squawlor?

    , @Allain
    @anon

    On the male side, we do have some cynical political opportunists like pseudo sombrero "Beto".

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @anon

    "Stolen squalor, if you will."

    Well done. [applause]

    , @kaganovitch
    @anon

    Stolen squalor, if you will.

    Excellent coinage! Thanks.

  7. @Anon
    Let’s say hypothetically she is 1/16 indigenous Indian. That means she’s white, with a distant Indian ancestor. How do these people come to totally identify with a distant ancestor to the exclusion of their overwhelmingly primary identity? I guess it’s the one-drop rule here.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @njguy73, @VivaLaMigra, @anonymouseperson

    I don’t know if it is true, but I’ve heard that the average US Indian is 75% white by blood. Thinking of the reservation Indians I’ve seen, that seems kinda high, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the white percentage of Indians is as high or higher than, say, the white percentage of African-Americans of about 20%.

    Nevertheless, in the US there is a legal definition of an Indian, and it has nothing to do with blood quantum. It is whether or not you are on the Indian tribal rolls. If you are on one, you are legally an Indian. If you are not on one, you ain’t. Elizabeth Warren ain’t. Her dubious genetic claims are legally irrelevant.

    I don’t know the Canadian system, but it sounds like Canada has an equivalent of tribal rolls called “a treaty Indian”. And it sounds like Mary Ellen Turpel Lafond* ain’t one of those. So, like Warren, Lafond’s fallback position is to claim some putative blood quantum. But also like Warren, even the blood claim looks pretty dubious.

    ———

    * Would it be too much to ask for her to settle on just two—or even three—of her four names? This four name thing suggests a n untoward grandness and self-importance, perhaps a certain over-reliance on ancestry rather than accomplishment…

    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
    @Almost Missouri

    In Canada, injuns are segregated in self-governed Reserves, that is located in some rural areas. With generally low canadian population density, they are not that well mixed with Whites (may be 25 percent white blood). So they do not sport Aryan long noses and chins like Americans do.

    Historical Indian-French Metis are considered a separate Nation, btw.

    Then Injuns migrate from reserves to cities to become Salvation Army clients and to mix with other lower classes, like blacks and white trash and what not. This makes for a melting pot. These lose their treaty status.

    , @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri


    in the US there is a legal definition of an Indian, and it has nothing to do with blood quantum. It is whether or not you are on the Indian tribal rolls. If you are on one, you are legally an Indian. If you are not on one, you ain’t.
     
    That’s just one special definition for a very specific purpose. You are still an Indian, even if not on the “tribal rolls.” Also, a lot of historical tribes aren’t listed on the rolls.
    , @Hannah Katz
    @Almost Missouri

    She looks pretty WASPy to me. Curious if her mtDNA falls into a haplogroup associated with Native Americans, or First Nation, or whatever they call themselves today.

    As for Fauxcahontas (D-Mass.), she is originally from Oklahoma, where most White Okies are at least part Indian, usually more than her. Be sure to remember she is a former Republican. Really!

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  8. I don’t blame Chief Lies Through Ass one bit for taking full advantage of the anti-White AA scheme, and that she did. What I don’t like is the she went native with her politics too. I don’t think that was necessary, but it probably helped keep her on an upward trajectory in her career (“… just no, no pictures, please! It’s a First Nations thing, the Spirits would be angry.)

    A 1995 profile of her career in the Ottawa Citizen said she “is proud that she did not get ahead through affirmative-action programs for Natives.”

    Haha, like a good White lawyer, she was thinking ahead and covering her ass early on.

    As for her alcoholic father, we could tell right away if he was an Indian or not by what it was that had him laying on the centerline of the road at night:

    OR

  9. @Anon
    One thing that I’m surprised hasn’t become a thing is people getting other people’s drinking glasses, water bottles, hairs, nail clippings, Kleenex, used over-the-counter Covid tests, whatever, and sending it off to be analyzed and posting the results—and the entire genome—on the internet. I suppose there must be some privacy safeguards, clickwrapped contractual terms or the like, but come on, for a celebrity or major politician, and with analysis costs so low, it seems like the natural successor to the paparazzi business. I’d bet it’s almost at the point where you could buy the equipment yourself and do analyses.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @guest007, @Anonymous

    I’ve always been surprised that Slick Willie hasn’t (anonymously) done that to Chelsea Clinton and opened the door for his dunning Webster for child support.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Bill Jones

    Maybe he wouldn't want it out in a deposition that the Hill was regularly pulling a short train with both of them after dinner every Saturday night.

  10. If you can choose your own personal pro-noun, choosing your own nationality seems pretty reasonable.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • LOL: Jim Bob Lassiter
  11. @Hypnotoad666
    They could take back all those awards she won, but I guess that would be Indian-giving.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Seeing as Steve must be somewhat of a fan to have put that George Castanza meme up, this is obligatory at this point. It was also one of the funniest episodes:

    • LOL: Paul Jolliffe
  12. @Hypnotoad666
    They could take back all those awards she won, but I guess that would be Indian-giving.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Unz software glitch last time;

  13. It is interesting that white alcoholics are a problem, non-white alcoholics are problematic.

  14. @Anon
    One thing that I’m surprised hasn’t become a thing is people getting other people’s drinking glasses, water bottles, hairs, nail clippings, Kleenex, used over-the-counter Covid tests, whatever, and sending it off to be analyzed and posting the results—and the entire genome—on the internet. I suppose there must be some privacy safeguards, clickwrapped contractual terms or the like, but come on, for a celebrity or major politician, and with analysis costs so low, it seems like the natural successor to the paparazzi business. I’d bet it’s almost at the point where you could buy the equipment yourself and do analyses.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @guest007, @Anonymous

    the lawsuits would follow quickly if one tried to punish the genetics of another individual. That would be the equivalent of publishing someone’s medical records.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @guest007


    the lawsuits would follow quickly if one tried to punish the genetics of another individual. That would be the equivalent of publishing someone’s medical records.
     
    I'm not so sure. If you throw out your coffee cup and whichever skin cells are left on the rim, it's considered abandoned property and anyone can retrieve it and pretty much do whatever they like with it. I don't think there's any current law which would prohibit the analysis of genetic material left on it.

    However, perhaps your point is that today the law is simply that which serves the needs of the regime. So if people were using abandoned genetic data to undermine the regime's ridiculous narratives, some law would be bent to prohibit and punish that. At the same time, if there was a law explicitly prohibiting doing this but it could be used to harm the regime's enemies by, for example, showing that prominent conservative whites are secretly x% Sub-Saharan African they'd find a way to declare that the law doesn't apply with a wink and a nudge.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @guest007
    @guest007

    Unlike the TV police procedurals, one cannot take my DNA and use it. See the lawsuits over tissue taken while at the hospital that was later used in research.

  15. From https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/02/16/not-affirmative-sir/ca79a51d-2e31-4221-a80e-2342d5bde8e8/

    “This led to apparent howlers like the student with an un-Hispanic last name attending the flossiest private school in his part of Texas, who identified himself as Hispanic and received preferential treatment. There have also been cases of “minority” students being identified as “white” by their schools. (We debated whether we could nail these applicants for lying, but finally decided that a school’s visual impression could not be taken as fact, either.)”

    Gaming the quota/Affirmative Action system has been a thing to do since it was started.

  16. In the grand tradition of “Grey Owl.”

    • Replies: @Deckin
    @Gilbert Ratchet

    In more intemperate reaches of the dark interwebs, Warren is known as 'Greybeaver'. Guess in Canada they can find something along those lines.

  17. How does one safely (i.e. conceal personal identity from globo-homo corporate governance data bases) conduct a 23 and Me type genetic test?

  18. @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    I've always been surprised that Slick Willie hasn't (anonymously) done that to Chelsea Clinton and opened the door for his dunning Webster for child support.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Maybe he wouldn’t want it out in a deposition that the Hill was regularly pulling a short train with both of them after dinner every Saturday night.

  19. @Polistra

    “Like so many Native homes, hers was rife with alcoholism, poverty and violence."
     
    What exactly are they saying about "natives" here??

    “I recall my grandfather frequently saying ‘that’s the Native in him’ when he would do something that no one seemed to understand, which was really frequent”

     

    BS. They didn't call them "natives" back then.

    the first Canadian Amerindian
     
    Canamerindian? When she dies, Cadaverindian? Okay I'm sorta winging it here.

    Replies: @West reanimator

    BS. They didn’t call them “natives” back then.

    Good catch. The woman’s obviously a shameless, habitual liar.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @West reanimator

    You beat me to it. You can't believe anything she's ever said about anything. Then again, that's the way it is with the entire, racial socialist left.

    Replies: @Richard B

  20. Of course, if she weren’t white, they’d never mention it.

    But she’s not White! She’s Indian, dammit!

    #believeallwomen

  21. At lower levels of the white-collar world, affirmative action is real but manageable. If your office manager is an AA hire, she is probably more or less competent. At upper levels, either AA is overwhelming or it does not matter. The σ gap means there are very few people of 130+ IQ from the population with the lower mean.

    Seems to me there are two ways of handling AA. The first is to hire everyone on merit except for the AA hires. The problem with that is the AA group obviously underperforms. So, if you hire no one on merit, the AA hires don’t look worse than anyone else. Poof! You are a good, non-racist person,

    This Pretendian is an influential mover shaker, put on lists with the great and good like Bill Gates. As a white woman, she is a muddling (meant to write “middling” but I like “muddling”) academic. Kind of like Clarence Thomas is widely hailed by cons as the Great Based One. I realize he’s an SC justice, but is he actually brilliant? Like, I wonder about those Igbos who get accepted by every Ivy League college they apply to. How smart are they? Are they so promoted because they can actually hang with the cognitive elite (which is not so elite in its younger crowd) That is not to say that we should strip mine West Africa for human capital a second time.

    Steve, you should seriously look into the game-ability and easy scoring of the SAT and how it (might have) led to young “elites” being much less capable than their meritocratic elders. Seriously, schools have not become way more selective since the 1980s. The scoring at the upper end is just way more liberal (1300 in 1994 might be 1500 today if you go by white percentiles.

    I know there are a lot of talented tenth types that don’t want affirmative action to be a function of phenotype, but anything else is insane and ridiculous. AA is somewhat insane on its own, but affirmative action for dishonest white people? I guess ancestry fraction is also reasonable.

    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
    @Rob

    Come on, this Pocahontas is just another Mason lady. You know, young leader of girlscouts and all that. I bet the conflict is due that she crossed another lady of same kind , and ladies tend to not work together.

    It has nothing to do with formal HR hiring or performance or AA, these folks fly above this level.

  22. @Anon
    Let’s say hypothetically she is 1/16 indigenous Indian. That means she’s white, with a distant Indian ancestor. How do these people come to totally identify with a distant ancestor to the exclusion of their overwhelmingly primary identity? I guess it’s the one-drop rule here.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @njguy73, @VivaLaMigra, @anonymouseperson

    How do these people come to totally identify with a distant ancestor to the exclusion of their overwhelmingly primary identity? I guess it’s the one-drop rule here

    .

    You reward people for doing something, they’ll do it.

  23. @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    I don't know if it is true, but I've heard that the average US Indian is 75% white by blood. Thinking of the reservation Indians I've seen, that seems kinda high, but I wouldn't be surprised if the white percentage of Indians is as high or higher than, say, the white percentage of African-Americans of about 20%.

    Nevertheless, in the US there is a legal definition of an Indian, and it has nothing to do with blood quantum. It is whether or not you are on the Indian tribal rolls. If you are on one, you are legally an Indian. If you are not on one, you ain't. Elizabeth Warren ain't. Her dubious genetic claims are legally irrelevant.

    I don't know the Canadian system, but it sounds like Canada has an equivalent of tribal rolls called "a treaty Indian". And it sounds like Mary Ellen Turpel Lafond* ain't one of those. So, like Warren, Lafond's fallback position is to claim some putative blood quantum. But also like Warren, even the blood claim looks pretty dubious.

    ---------

    * Would it be too much to ask for her to settle on just two—or even three—of her four names? This four name thing suggests a n untoward grandness and self-importance, perhaps a certain over-reliance on ancestry rather than accomplishment...

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Anonymous, @Hannah Katz

    In Canada, injuns are segregated in self-governed Reserves, that is located in some rural areas. With generally low canadian population density, they are not that well mixed with Whites (may be 25 percent white blood). So they do not sport Aryan long noses and chins like Americans do.

    Historical Indian-French Metis are considered a separate Nation, btw.

    Then Injuns migrate from reserves to cities to become Salvation Army clients and to mix with other lower classes, like blacks and white trash and what not. This makes for a melting pot. These lose their treaty status.

  24. The Flight from White trend is so paper thin its laughable mind you its not quite as silly as the trans bs.

  25. @Rob
    At lower levels of the white-collar world, affirmative action is real but manageable. If your office manager is an AA hire, she is probably more or less competent. At upper levels, either AA is overwhelming or it does not matter. The σ gap means there are very few people of 130+ IQ from the population with the lower mean.

    Seems to me there are two ways of handling AA. The first is to hire everyone on merit except for the AA hires. The problem with that is the AA group obviously underperforms. So, if you hire no one on merit, the AA hires don’t look worse than anyone else. Poof! You are a good, non-racist person,

    This Pretendian is an influential mover shaker, put on lists with the great and good like Bill Gates. As a white woman, she is a muddling (meant to write “middling” but I like “muddling”) academic. Kind of like Clarence Thomas is widely hailed by cons as the Great Based One. I realize he’s an SC justice, but is he actually brilliant? Like, I wonder about those Igbos who get accepted by every Ivy League college they apply to. How smart are they? Are they so promoted because they can actually hang with the cognitive elite (which is not so elite in its younger crowd) That is not to say that we should strip mine West Africa for human capital a second time.

    Steve, you should seriously look into the game-ability and easy scoring of the SAT and how it (might have) led to young “elites” being much less capable than their meritocratic elders. Seriously, schools have not become way more selective since the 1980s. The scoring at the upper end is just way more liberal (1300 in 1994 might be 1500 today if you go by white percentiles.

    I know there are a lot of talented tenth types that don’t want affirmative action to be a function of phenotype, but anything else is insane and ridiculous. AA is somewhat insane on its own, but affirmative action for dishonest white people? I guess ancestry fraction is also reasonable.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum

    Come on, this Pocahontas is just another Mason lady. You know, young leader of girlscouts and all that. I bet the conflict is due that she crossed another lady of same kind , and ladies tend to not work together.

    It has nothing to do with formal HR hiring or performance or AA, these folks fly above this level.

  26. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    I don't know if it is true, but I've heard that the average US Indian is 75% white by blood. Thinking of the reservation Indians I've seen, that seems kinda high, but I wouldn't be surprised if the white percentage of Indians is as high or higher than, say, the white percentage of African-Americans of about 20%.

    Nevertheless, in the US there is a legal definition of an Indian, and it has nothing to do with blood quantum. It is whether or not you are on the Indian tribal rolls. If you are on one, you are legally an Indian. If you are not on one, you ain't. Elizabeth Warren ain't. Her dubious genetic claims are legally irrelevant.

    I don't know the Canadian system, but it sounds like Canada has an equivalent of tribal rolls called "a treaty Indian". And it sounds like Mary Ellen Turpel Lafond* ain't one of those. So, like Warren, Lafond's fallback position is to claim some putative blood quantum. But also like Warren, even the blood claim looks pretty dubious.

    ---------

    * Would it be too much to ask for her to settle on just two—or even three—of her four names? This four name thing suggests a n untoward grandness and self-importance, perhaps a certain over-reliance on ancestry rather than accomplishment...

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Anonymous, @Hannah Katz

    in the US there is a legal definition of an Indian, and it has nothing to do with blood quantum. It is whether or not you are on the Indian tribal rolls. If you are on one, you are legally an Indian. If you are not on one, you ain’t.

    That’s just one special definition for a very specific purpose. You are still an Indian, even if not on the “tribal rolls.” Also, a lot of historical tribes aren’t listed on the rolls.

  27. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    One thing that I’m surprised hasn’t become a thing is people getting other people’s drinking glasses, water bottles, hairs, nail clippings, Kleenex, used over-the-counter Covid tests, whatever, and sending it off to be analyzed and posting the results—and the entire genome—on the internet. I suppose there must be some privacy safeguards, clickwrapped contractual terms or the like, but come on, for a celebrity or major politician, and with analysis costs so low, it seems like the natural successor to the paparazzi business. I’d bet it’s almost at the point where you could buy the equipment yourself and do analyses.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @guest007, @Anonymous

    One thing that I’m surprised hasn’t become a thing is people getting other people’s drinking glasses, water bottles, hairs, nail clippings, Kleenex, used over-the-counter Covid tests, whatever, and sending it off to be analyzed and posting the results—and the entire genome—on the internet.

    DNA testing for Indian ancestry isn’t very reliable.

  28. I think she looks like a nun, out of habit.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Dr. Krieger

    Dr. Kreiger;
    You and I have something in common then. I also have a habit of thinking that people look like nuns.
    My friends and family find this strange habit of mine simultaneously amusing and annoying.

  29. A supposedly Indian female “law” professor, LOL.

    Indians didn’t have laws, they didn’t have courts, they didn’t have universities and they didn’t have books. They had male chiefs and male warriors who impregnated the squaws and ordered them around.

    I guess it’s a nice scam to pretend that you are one if it gets you life tenure at a comfortable white university with your summers, weekends and holidays off, though…

  30. @guest007
    @Anon

    the lawsuits would follow quickly if one tried to punish the genetics of another individual. That would be the equivalent of publishing someone's medical records.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @guest007

    the lawsuits would follow quickly if one tried to punish the genetics of another individual. That would be the equivalent of publishing someone’s medical records.

    I’m not so sure. If you throw out your coffee cup and whichever skin cells are left on the rim, it’s considered abandoned property and anyone can retrieve it and pretty much do whatever they like with it. I don’t think there’s any current law which would prohibit the analysis of genetic material left on it.

    However, perhaps your point is that today the law is simply that which serves the needs of the regime. So if people were using abandoned genetic data to undermine the regime’s ridiculous narratives, some law would be bent to prohibit and punish that. At the same time, if there was a law explicitly prohibiting doing this but it could be used to harm the regime’s enemies by, for example, showing that prominent conservative whites are secretly x% Sub-Saharan African they’d find a way to declare that the law doesn’t apply with a wink and a nudge.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=416483

    As the second post says, he's forced to pay child support.

  31. CBC’s Senior Investigative Reporter Geoff Leo called this morning to see if I could shed any light on his latest checking account statement. He was perplexed by multiple withdrawals of $2,500, each labelled “incident.”

    It was a mystery to me. Could he ask his bank?

    Geoff’s expression brightened. “Why, they sent me a registered letter yesterday! Give me a second to open it, I’m sure it contains the explanation.”

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  32. Dark-emu-exposed.org

    Very thorough and well-written expose of the Fauxboriginal academic grift as it’s run in Australia. They’ve taken to calling the indigenes “First Nations” here in obeisance to the heilige Canada, font of wokeness and PC beacon. It’s really beyond pathetic. There isn’t anything like the defenestration of clear proven fakes here that there seems to be from time to time in Canada.

    • Thanks: dearieme
  33. Speaking of grifters, here is a West Virginia boy who made good by turning the tables: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/11/new-york-gun-buyback-rules-3d-printed-parts

  34. @anon
    One common factor among these fake indigenous etc. people is that they are very disproportionately women. It seems to appeal to the female sense of drama and romance to think that you were disadvantaged and marginalized even if you weren't. Stolen squalor, if you will.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Allain, @The Anti-Gnostic, @kaganovitch

    Stolen squalor. Very good, sir.

    Perhaps a mite bit better as stolen squawlor?

  35. @anon
    One common factor among these fake indigenous etc. people is that they are very disproportionately women. It seems to appeal to the female sense of drama and romance to think that you were disadvantaged and marginalized even if you weren't. Stolen squalor, if you will.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Allain, @The Anti-Gnostic, @kaganovitch

    On the male side, we do have some cynical political opportunists like pseudo sombrero “Beto”.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Allain

    Not to mention Bill DeBlasio...

  36. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:

    I doubt many readers understand the role of the CBC here. I started playing a game about twenty years ago in which I would occasionally tune in CBC radio, more-or-less at random, and count the minutes until the subject of native Indians, at most 3% of Canada’s population, came up. I started the game because I had noticed how feather Indians seemed to have taken over from three decades of sixties-type leftist talking points in the late twentieth century, to arrive at the brink of dominating the tax-paid airwaves.

    In those days, c2002, the average time was about ten minutes. It’s now down to about two. Try it, if you’re within range of their broadcasts: two minutes until the whining begins. Basically, the only people one ever hears on the CBC now are Indians, immigrant community wahmens and homosexuals, in about that order.

    Throughout those 20 years, Turpel-Lafond has been a fixture as a commentator or talking point. In western Canada, her name comes up at least weekly, often daily, on the CBC. For 20 years. And she was well-known to these Deep State propagandists for over a decade before that. So the CBC has had 30 years to dig into her native status. But they choose to do it know, long after she has become a fixture in the Canadian elite firmament. They closed the door three decades after the horse bolted. Because that is their role here.

  37. It’s hilarious to me when the people I just assume are sophisticated (based on their lofty positions) are actually naive and ridiculous.

    Thinking that your grandfather or whoever is an Indian because of his swarthy complexion is something hicks believe.

    It’s such a rube stance, you know? The “Native American princess ancestor” who can’t be substantiated for [reasons].

  38. @anon
    One common factor among these fake indigenous etc. people is that they are very disproportionately women. It seems to appeal to the female sense of drama and romance to think that you were disadvantaged and marginalized even if you weren't. Stolen squalor, if you will.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Allain, @The Anti-Gnostic, @kaganovitch

    “Stolen squalor, if you will.”

    Well done. [applause]

    • Agree: Liza
  39. hers was rife with alcoholism, poverty and violence.

    That was true for one of my grandfathers too but he didn’t call it a Native home he called it an Irish slum.

    Plus, the dishonesty – the endless dishonesty. Maybe she was spared that.

    And being priest-ridden. If she was also spared that you could say she had a privileged upbringing.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @dearieme


    And being priest-ridden.
     
    I went to a K-8 Catholic school and the worst thing is being nun-ridden.

    Replies: @stari_momak

  40. My daddy beat ma maaw like a rented squaw. Give me money

  41. @anon
    One common factor among these fake indigenous etc. people is that they are very disproportionately women. It seems to appeal to the female sense of drama and romance to think that you were disadvantaged and marginalized even if you weren't. Stolen squalor, if you will.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Allain, @The Anti-Gnostic, @kaganovitch

    Stolen squalor, if you will.

    Excellent coinage! Thanks.

  42. @Anon
    Let’s say hypothetically she is 1/16 indigenous Indian. That means she’s white, with a distant Indian ancestor. How do these people come to totally identify with a distant ancestor to the exclusion of their overwhelmingly primary identity? I guess it’s the one-drop rule here.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @njguy73, @VivaLaMigra, @anonymouseperson

    That means she’s white, with a distant Indian ancestor.

    Yeah, this reminds me of the typical Open Borders Whack Job who says: “My great-great grandfather immigrated here from [fill in name of a 19th Century Shit Hole here].”

    To which my obvious rejoinder is: “Which one? You had EIGHT!”

    • LOL: Hibernian
  43. @Gilbert Ratchet
    In the grand tradition of "Grey Owl."

    Replies: @Deckin

    In more intemperate reaches of the dark interwebs, Warren is known as ‘Greybeaver’. Guess in Canada they can find something along those lines.

  44. She takes a pale picture for sure.

  45. As a Canadian I can assure you there are great numbers of people here just like her. As white as snow and many who are a bit swarthy but could easily pass for white or whitish, (and undoubtedly would have a century ago). This even includes some members of my extended family. They do this for many reasons. The many government benefits, including not paying any taxes and the general stigma of being white today, with Indianism now the highest victimhood status in Canada currently. I was at a restaurant and there was a black woman who looked like Oprah Winfrey. She was given her bill and then told the waitress to remove the sales tax as she “was a native”. She then produced her Indian card. It is a joke really. We are currently spending about 3o billion annually on the Indians (300 billion on an American scale). We have nothing positive to show for it.

  46. @Anon
    Let’s say hypothetically she is 1/16 indigenous Indian. That means she’s white, with a distant Indian ancestor. How do these people come to totally identify with a distant ancestor to the exclusion of their overwhelmingly primary identity? I guess it’s the one-drop rule here.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @njguy73, @VivaLaMigra, @anonymouseperson

    It’s the money, benefits and status rule. A 100 years ago, in a very different world, they would have been advocating their being white.

    • Replies: @Liza
    @anonymouseperson

    It's called "passing", at least in the USA, where it's Black and White, not Abo and White.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(film)

    I read a novel on this topic: https://www.amazon.com/But-Morning-Will-Come-Novel-ebook/dp/B01MUYO8IP

  47. @guest007
    @Anon

    the lawsuits would follow quickly if one tried to punish the genetics of another individual. That would be the equivalent of publishing someone's medical records.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @guest007

    Unlike the TV police procedurals, one cannot take my DNA and use it. See the lawsuits over tissue taken while at the hospital that was later used in research.

  48. @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    I don't know if it is true, but I've heard that the average US Indian is 75% white by blood. Thinking of the reservation Indians I've seen, that seems kinda high, but I wouldn't be surprised if the white percentage of Indians is as high or higher than, say, the white percentage of African-Americans of about 20%.

    Nevertheless, in the US there is a legal definition of an Indian, and it has nothing to do with blood quantum. It is whether or not you are on the Indian tribal rolls. If you are on one, you are legally an Indian. If you are not on one, you ain't. Elizabeth Warren ain't. Her dubious genetic claims are legally irrelevant.

    I don't know the Canadian system, but it sounds like Canada has an equivalent of tribal rolls called "a treaty Indian". And it sounds like Mary Ellen Turpel Lafond* ain't one of those. So, like Warren, Lafond's fallback position is to claim some putative blood quantum. But also like Warren, even the blood claim looks pretty dubious.

    ---------

    * Would it be too much to ask for her to settle on just two—or even three—of her four names? This four name thing suggests a n untoward grandness and self-importance, perhaps a certain over-reliance on ancestry rather than accomplishment...

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Anonymous, @Hannah Katz

    She looks pretty WASPy to me. Curious if her mtDNA falls into a haplogroup associated with Native Americans, or First Nation, or whatever they call themselves today.

    As for Fauxcahontas (D-Mass.), she is originally from Oklahoma, where most White Okies are at least part Indian, usually more than her. Be sure to remember she is a former Republican. Really!

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Hannah Katz


    "She looks pretty WASPy to me."
     
    100%! And quite fetching, for a woman of a certain age.

    So, she's real chutzpadicka, to tell such outrageous lies with a straight face.

    Replies: @stari_momak

  49. She looks like Anderson Cooper’s sister

    • LOL: Liza
  50. @anonymouseperson
    @Anon

    It's the money, benefits and status rule. A 100 years ago, in a very different world, they would have been advocating their being white.

    Replies: @Liza

    It’s called “passing”, at least in the USA, where it’s Black and White, not Abo and White.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(film)

    I read a novel on this topic: https://www.amazon.com/But-Morning-Will-Come-Novel-ebook/dp/B01MUYO8IP

  51. Reporter Leo wrote, “Her story illuminates a complex and growing discussion about Indigenous identity that’s playing out across the country.”

    I am now ready to add an entry to the Woke Dictionary:

    Complex, Complicated, adj.: embarrassing, fraudulent, incoherent.

    (Also, notice that Leo capitalizes Indigenous)

  52. Woodman said this prompted the university to target “two Aboriginal women” for hire: Patricia Monture and Mary Ellen Turpel.

    Mary Ellen Turpel Lafond = Enrolled after many pull.

  53. @Dr. Krieger
    I think she looks like a nun, out of habit.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    Dr. Kreiger;
    You and I have something in common then. I also have a habit of thinking that people look like nuns.
    My friends and family find this strange habit of mine simultaneously amusing and annoying.

    • LOL: Dr. Krieger
  54. @West reanimator
    @Polistra


    BS. They didn’t call them “natives” back then.
     
    Good catch. The woman's obviously a shameless, habitual liar.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    You beat me to it. You can’t believe anything she’s ever said about anything. Then again, that’s the way it is with the entire, racial socialist left.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @Nicholas Stix


    You beat me to it. You can’t believe anything she’s ever said about anything. Then again, that’s the way it is with the entire, racial socialist left.
     
    Yep! Reminds me of that line from Chapter One of Orwell's 1984.
    http://www.gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021h.html#ch1

    It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.
     
    Granted, this women is 59 now. But her lies started when she was young and she never let go of them. In short, her whole life's a lie. And not just hers.

    I've said it before, but I'll say it again because it's worth repeating. If you want to live in reality and keep a reasonably clear head, stay on the cultural periphery. In other words, far, far away from people like her.
  55. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @guest007


    the lawsuits would follow quickly if one tried to punish the genetics of another individual. That would be the equivalent of publishing someone’s medical records.
     
    I'm not so sure. If you throw out your coffee cup and whichever skin cells are left on the rim, it's considered abandoned property and anyone can retrieve it and pretty much do whatever they like with it. I don't think there's any current law which would prohibit the analysis of genetic material left on it.

    However, perhaps your point is that today the law is simply that which serves the needs of the regime. So if people were using abandoned genetic data to undermine the regime's ridiculous narratives, some law would be bent to prohibit and punish that. At the same time, if there was a law explicitly prohibiting doing this but it could be used to harm the regime's enemies by, for example, showing that prominent conservative whites are secretly x% Sub-Saharan African they'd find a way to declare that the law doesn't apply with a wink and a nudge.

    Replies: @Polistra

    https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=416483

    As the second post says, he’s forced to pay child support.

  56. @Hannah Katz
    @Almost Missouri

    She looks pretty WASPy to me. Curious if her mtDNA falls into a haplogroup associated with Native Americans, or First Nation, or whatever they call themselves today.

    As for Fauxcahontas (D-Mass.), she is originally from Oklahoma, where most White Okies are at least part Indian, usually more than her. Be sure to remember she is a former Republican. Really!

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “She looks pretty WASPy to me.”

    100%! And quite fetching, for a woman of a certain age.

    So, she’s real chutzpadicka, to tell such outrageous lies with a straight face.

    • Replies: @stari_momak
    @Nicholas Stix

    She looks like Jamie Lee Curtis.

  57. @Allain
    @anon

    On the male side, we do have some cynical political opportunists like pseudo sombrero "Beto".

    Replies: @Polistra

    Not to mention Bill DeBlasio…

  58. @dearieme
    hers was rife with alcoholism, poverty and violence.

    That was true for one of my grandfathers too but he didn't call it a Native home he called it an Irish slum.

    Plus, the dishonesty - the endless dishonesty. Maybe she was spared that.

    And being priest-ridden. If she was also spared that you could say she had a privileged upbringing.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    And being priest-ridden.

    I went to a K-8 Catholic school and the worst thing is being nun-ridden.

    • Replies: @stari_momak
    @Hibernian

    I remember my two nuns (out of four years Parochial school, as they were called) fondly. My first grade teacher, lets call her Sister Margret Mary, pretty much predicted my life as an under-achiever.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  59. @Hibernian
    @dearieme


    And being priest-ridden.
     
    I went to a K-8 Catholic school and the worst thing is being nun-ridden.

    Replies: @stari_momak

    I remember my two nuns (out of four years Parochial school, as they were called) fondly. My first grade teacher, lets call her Sister Margret Mary, pretty much predicted my life as an under-achiever.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @stari_momak

    Sure, about half of them were like that. Then there were the other half.

  60. @Nicholas Stix
    @Hannah Katz


    "She looks pretty WASPy to me."
     
    100%! And quite fetching, for a woman of a certain age.

    So, she's real chutzpadicka, to tell such outrageous lies with a straight face.

    Replies: @stari_momak

    She looks like Jamie Lee Curtis.

  61. @Nicholas Stix
    @West reanimator

    You beat me to it. You can't believe anything she's ever said about anything. Then again, that's the way it is with the entire, racial socialist left.

    Replies: @Richard B

    You beat me to it. You can’t believe anything she’s ever said about anything. Then again, that’s the way it is with the entire, racial socialist left.

    Yep! Reminds me of that line from Chapter One of Orwell’s 1984.
    http://www.gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021h.html#ch1

    It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.

    Granted, this women is 59 now. But her lies started when she was young and she never let go of them. In short, her whole life’s a lie. And not just hers.

    I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again because it’s worth repeating. If you want to live in reality and keep a reasonably clear head, stay on the cultural periphery. In other words, far, far away from people like her.

  62. Here in real Norway there are quotas in the system for the Saami people — not to right some past discrimination; they want people who know the culture and speak the language. Did that woman even speak Cree?

  63. @stari_momak
    @Hibernian

    I remember my two nuns (out of four years Parochial school, as they were called) fondly. My first grade teacher, lets call her Sister Margret Mary, pretty much predicted my life as an under-achiever.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Sure, about half of them were like that. Then there were the other half.

  64. Most of the fake Indians fraudsters are women? I wonder why?

  65. https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Sacheen-Littlefeather-oscar-Native-pretendian-17520648.php
    https://archive.ph/oltJb

    https://jacquelinekeeler.substack.com/p/hollywood-fantasy-is-sacheen-littlefeather


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    Sacheen Littlefeather refuses to accept the Best Actor Oscar® on behalf of Marlon Brando for his performance in “The Godfather” at the 45th annual Academy Awards® in 1973. Liv Ullmann and Roger Moore presented the award.

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