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From The American Prospect in 2013:
Reversing Broward County’s School-to-Prison Pipeline
BRYCE WILSON STUCKI DECEMBER 4, 2013The story behind the so-far successful crusade to end disproportionate student arrests and suspensions in one Florida school district.
When, after a nationwide search, he was hired two years ago to serve as superintendent of Florida’s Broward County Public Schools, Robert Runcie began brainstorming ways to close the racial achievement gap. …
“One of the first things I saw was a huge differential in minority students, black male students in particular, in terms of suspensions and arrests,” he says. Black students made up two-thirds of all suspensions during the 2011-2012 school year despite comprising only 40 percent of the student body. …
Broward announced broad changes designed to mitigate the use of harsh punishments for minor misbehavior at the beginning of this school year. While other districts have amended their discipline codes, prohibited arrests in some circumstances, and developed alternatives to suspension, Broward was able to do all these things at once with the cooperation of a group that included a member of the local NAACP, a school board member, a public defender, a local sheriff, a state prosecutor, and several others. In early November, The Miami Herald reported that suspensions were already down 40 percent and arrests were down 66 percent. …
Broward’s Collaborative Agreement on School Discipline was announced in early November. Instead of suspensions, students can now be referred to the PROMISE program, where they receive counseling for several days and then return to school. A host of non-violent misdemeanors no longer require an arrest, though officers can sometimes override that if they feel it is necessary (“I wanted to make sure deputies always had discretion,” says Scott Israel, Broward County’s sheriff). The school district’s Office of Minority Male Achievement reviews data to ensure that punishments for minor infractions and racial disparities are on the decline.
… “But what Broward did that really set it apart is they put together this incredible breadth of stakeholders. They have been able to not only address one piece of it, but create a set of policies that work together to hopefully eliminate the school-to-prison pipeline in Broward.”
Broward is unusual because representatives from law enforcement, the district, and the community were able to agree on reform, and the superintendent approved it. “In dealing with the previous administration, people were afraid to look at disparate impact issues,” says Weekes. “[Runcie] was not backing away from it.” The new superintendent released the data and acknowledged that the problem had a racial dynamic. “It’s a problem all over the country,” Runcie says, “and Broward is no exception.”
Snips from a later article via @TheLastRefuge2 whose work and tweetstorm on this subject got a lot of views on Twitter this week:
White House summit, hmmm. Who was in office in 2015?
Robert Runcie:
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
The Conservative Treehouse has been all over this story.
See the following posts:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/26/jack-cashill-incompetence-wasnt-the-problem-in-broward-county/#more-146302
And this one, which I gather is by one of the CT guys, which provides an excellent step-by-step summary:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
By the way, doesn’t Supt Runcie look like Frozone from ‘The Incredibles’?
See also Max Eden's piece today in City Journal which misattributes breaking of the story to WaPo:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.html
Yet again Sundance does the hewing, hauling, and hefting w/o MSM mention, just as with the Miami-Dade/Trayvon casse.Replies: @Neoconned, @ben tillman
This guy put a huge amount of time and money into freedom-of-information requests and dug up a lot of detail on how the statistics on school crime are faked at the school level on up:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/
Social engineering by a bunch of progs turned out to be the root cause of the slaughter. It basically amounted to mainstreaming thugs and crazies into the classroom no matter how disruptive or dangerous they happen to be.
If the parents were smart they sue the school district and Broward county’s sheriff’s office for aiding and abetting. Take them to civil court and a** ra** them with a rusty chain saw. Sue them personally and school district.
That’s the only thing these people understand – impoverishment.
But I doubt they’ll do it. Too gutless to implicate the school district for pushing a bunch of sociopathic scum in their schools and making their children lives miserable.
Again another reason why public schools need to be abolished.
I wish there were more parents who gave a damn about the real root causes of the problems. Instead they all go along to get along. Additionally, they don't have time to think about the things written here, as all the focus has been on the week-long TV infotainment-fest.
If I had had a kid killed or seriously hurt there, that'd be a different story.AGREED, 110%*
*... as the innumerate HS coach says. "I want to see 110% today." "Coach, that's not possible, see 100% means all of the ... owwww!" (I'd thought kicks-in-the-ass were illegal anymore, WTH, man?)
Robert Runcie got a raise last year:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/education/fl-runcie-to-make-higher-salary-20171106-story.html
Nobody showed up to complain about the guy, except for a crank complainaing about mold in classrooms causing Morgellons disease, or something like that.
You’d think that if this anti-school-to-prison pipeline stuff was causing violence in the classrooms there would be resistance to the guy. Maybe it’s just too un-PC to even talk about. Maybe teachers are just afraid of losing their jobs if they complain about kids with switchblades.
See the following posts:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/26/jack-cashill-incompetence-wasnt-the-problem-in-broward-county/#more-146302
And this one, which I gather is by one of the CT guys, which provides an excellent step-by-step summary:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
By the way, doesn't Supt Runcie look like Frozone from 'The Incredibles'?Replies: @Olorin, @midtown, @Barnard, @Mr. Anon, @penskefile, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Sundance’s work on this has been exceptional.
See also Max Eden’s piece today in City Journal which misattributes breaking of the story to WaPo:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.html
Yet again Sundance does the hewing, hauling, and hefting w/o MSM mention, just as with the Miami-Dade/Trayvon casse.
If the parents were smart they sue the school district and Broward county's sheriff's office for aiding and abetting. Take them to civil court and a** ra** them with a rusty chain saw. Sue them personally and school district.
That's the only thing these people understand - impoverishment.
But I doubt they'll do it. Too gutless to implicate the school district for pushing a bunch of sociopathic scum in their schools and making their children lives miserable.
Again another reason why public schools need to be abolished.Replies: @Anonymous, @countenance, @Achmed E. Newman
You can’t sue them personally because they’re acting as agents for the government. If you sue the school district it’s taxpayers who pay. Either way the government agents are essentially untouchable and–believe you me–they know it.
Separately, in my own jurisdiction it was seen as a major coup that we landed a negro school superintendent. Even though we had to raise the salary from 220K to 340K in order to snag him. After his lackluster term ended he went on to an even more high-profile position across the country and was replaced by a capable white administrator – – at the old salary.
https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/2018/02/15/roosevelt-grad-robert-runcie-leads-florida-district-after-shooting/341115002/
https://www.broadcenter.org/blog/leadership-lessons-robert-runcie/
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/education-dept-student-loans_us_5728fdebe4b0bc9cb044dc16
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4539868/Top-education-official-resigns-Congress-hearing.html
Black Privilege® is really amazing!
There seems to be a dis-proportionally high number of blacks working as school district administrators. And this might be contributing to the dearth of black computer programmers.
One way to have more blacks employed in jobs where they are underrepresented is to stop paying them $330k to be school superintendents and other jobs where they are overrepresented.
Schools need to be careful today:
If he “looks like” Trayvon, he’s okay.
With pipelines reversed,
We can’t send our worst;
Before, we could flush them away.
Tell me again why we need public schools?
I’d really like to hear an argument for them.
I notice that when the schools are out... summer, spring break, winter break, holidays, random teacher days... the city feels no different. Somehow parents manage and life swims along. I think our entire society is fooling itself. There could be an entirely different paradigm for kids and education but we're so stuck in our ways that we're missing it.
What a country. We have turned administration of public schools over to the stupidest demographic which also raises the most criminal demographic.
Affirmative action in action.
Next question.
“Black students made up two-thirds of all suspensions during the 2011-2012 school year despite comprising only 40 percent of the student body. …”
If the system were punishing based on what was actually done with no affirmative action, Get Out of Jail Free cards for blacks, then blacks would have made up 75 or 80% of suspensions. Even 90% is possible.
And a huge % of whites suspended would be friends with/associates of blacks.
Wow, whutta surprise!
This would explain why Cruz was violent or threatened violence at school and never arrested.
As to black superintendents and pay, the politics of cities are such that if you select a non-black super in a city with a significant black population, the NAACP, pastors and others will claim you hate black kids. Many don’t want the hassle. In PG County they hired a white superintendent his reception was lukewarm at best. As it stands now the NAACP demands he be fired for failing to protect students’ civil rights.
http://wjla.com/news/local/pg-co-naacp-demands-ceo-kevin-maxwell-to-be-removed-immediately
Another gimmick is superintendents claiming they have the secret recipe to close achievement gap especially among black boys. That’s why DC hired away Oakland’s black super although black boys in Oakland perform horribly with all but a handful graduating college ready. Anyway he’s been fired too
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/02/20/587356139/head-of-d-c-s-schools-resigns-after-personal-scandal-and-amid-district-tumult
Consequently, the gap is closing.
Maddeningly so.
They scream at the rest of us about bearing consequences: if you move your hands wrong, the police can shoot you; if you “lie” to the FBI, you do time; we must have strict liability; zero tolerance for this and that; etc. But “public servants” are beyond the pale. Divine right of Kings.
This was a court statement from an egregious 1981 case: it is a fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen. Warren v. District of Columbia
I suppose they realize that the public officials we get today are so compromised; and court decisions so arbitrary; that if the flood gates are opened, we’d all be back to living in caves.
I’m thinking that some kind of citizen arrest program could be spooled up as a possible remedy.
Upon meeting someone and learning they are employed by a government entity they automatically drop in my estimation of them by a solid 25 to 50%.
You should check out educationrealist’s blog. She has written about this at various times.
Limbaugh apparently devoted most of his show to this yesterday:
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/02/26/how-obama-and-holder-changed-broward-county-law-enforcement-for-racial-reasons/
Which means what happened in Parkland is Late Obama Age Collapse.
Those are a prime example of the modern make-work job.
Meanwhile, White women are stuck in the classrooms at the mercy of the animals.
Blacks are 40 percent of the students?
How can any non black parent send their kids to one of those dangerous schools? Just the screeching, howling and yowling of the blacks probably causes hearing loss.
Ever heard black kids? Ever seen them at bus stops after school? Ever heard their language? Every garbled incomplete sentence has 2 mother lovers and 5 n words in it.
I don’t know about the Florida Cubans, but the Mexicans students in other states have made the schools significantly safer and more civilized.
Strangely enough ‘Robert Runcie’ was the name of the 1980s era Archbishop of Canterbury – the spiritual leader of the worldwide Anglican communion.
If the parents were smart they sue the school district and Broward county's sheriff's office for aiding and abetting. Take them to civil court and a** ra** them with a rusty chain saw. Sue them personally and school district.
That's the only thing these people understand - impoverishment.
But I doubt they'll do it. Too gutless to implicate the school district for pushing a bunch of sociopathic scum in their schools and making their children lives miserable.
Again another reason why public schools need to be abolished.Replies: @Anonymous, @countenance, @Achmed E. Newman
Ending the school-to-prison pipeline started the school-to-graveyard pipeline.
……and ‘nonsense poet’ Edward Lear wrote of ‘runcible spoons’.
Max Eden at City Journal, published by the Manhattan Institute (Heather Mac Donald, et al.):
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.html
The Washington Post, burying the lede way at the bottom of the story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teachers-say-florida-shooters-problems-started-in-middle-school-and-the-system-tried-to-help-him/2018/02/18/cdff7aa6-1413-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html
The big scandal to me is the way that the incentives have been set up to obfuscate the facts and prevent accurate data collection at the school level about classroom discipline and violence. This is a major problem quite separate from this particular incident. If they don’t want to arrest black students for crimes committed in class, fine, but don’t flush the fact that the crimes occurred down the memory hole. There is no way that any research can be conducted if the facts cannot be obtained.
Every single problem with education can be traced to the gap between black students and other students, in “achievement,” in disruptive or criminal behavior, you name it. If this were confronted honestly, it would be the Copernican/Keplerian moment, when everything makes sense and the epicycles fade away. Solutions, whatever they might be, could be rationally entertained.
See the following posts:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/26/jack-cashill-incompetence-wasnt-the-problem-in-broward-county/#more-146302
And this one, which I gather is by one of the CT guys, which provides an excellent step-by-step summary:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
By the way, doesn't Supt Runcie look like Frozone from 'The Incredibles'?Replies: @Olorin, @midtown, @Barnard, @Mr. Anon, @penskefile, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Woman, where is my super-suit?!!
That’s a good one, Countenance. I hope Steve or John Derbyshire* can use it. If you don’t mind a minor mod, how about:
* per his article mentioning this major contributing factor to these deaths.
This is all related to the criminal justice “reform” and jail diversion “movements” as well. Rather like letting thugs graduate if they merely keep a seat warm for a few years, it’s all just a lowering of standards. So things that supposedly don’t hurt anyone like vandalism and criminal mischief are given a pass. Yet anyone whose property was repeatedly vandalized like mine was will soon clear out.
It’s happening all over the country and the natives are so clueless they think it’s some spontaneous local initiative. It’s especially maddening to see local Republicans falling for these scams, trying to salvage social justice Pokemon points for themselves. Cucks!
Got to admit the Obama admin was good at suckering them in.
But the people whose lives matter weren’t in those schools.
If the parents were smart they sue the school district and Broward county's sheriff's office for aiding and abetting. Take them to civil court and a** ra** them with a rusty chain saw. Sue them personally and school district.
That's the only thing these people understand - impoverishment.
But I doubt they'll do it. Too gutless to implicate the school district for pushing a bunch of sociopathic scum in their schools and making their children lives miserable.
Again another reason why public schools need to be abolished.Replies: @Anonymous, @countenance, @Achmed E. Newman
Besides what Anonymous wrote in reply, I think a school district can make their kids lives miserable in other ways, once the parents start raising hell. However, that shouldn’t stop you, as there’s strength in numbers – it makes all the difference to have 50 or a few hundred dads coming to the school board and PTO, formerly PTA, meeting to raise hell.
I wish there were more parents who gave a damn about the real root causes of the problems. Instead they all go along to get along. Additionally, they don’t have time to think about the things written here, as all the focus has been on the week-long TV infotainment-fest.
If I had had a kid killed or seriously hurt there, that’d be a different story.
AGREED, 110%*
*… as the innumerate HS coach says. “I want to see 110% today.” “Coach, that’s not possible, see 100% means all of the … owwww!” (I’d thought kicks-in-the-ass were illegal anymore, WTH, man?)
“Ending the school-to-prison pipeline started the school-to-graveyard pipeline.”
The Left want us to believe that the school-to-prison pipeline means cops come to schools to arrest Black students and put them behind bars for texting on their smartphones in class or eating food in class for example, you know the K-12 equivalent of jaywalking.
According to The Left no Black student on the path to the school-to-prison pipeline is a violent bully/thug, they are all peaceful like Mahatma Gandhi and dindu nuffin.
It's happening all over the country and the natives are so clueless they think it's some spontaneous local initiative. It's especially maddening to see local Republicans falling for these scams, trying to salvage social justice Pokemon points for themselves. Cucks!
Got to admit the Obama admin was good at suckering them in.Replies: @Jefferson, @Robert Hume
“It’s especially maddening to see local Republicans falling for these scams, trying to salvage social justice Pokemon points for themselves. Cucks!”
The people on the so-called “Right” who believe in social justice for Black thugs are all Libertarians, not regular Conservatives. Libertarians are a lot less pro-law and order than regular Conservatives.
Libertarian Rand Paul’s view on the criminal justice system is a lot closer to that of Eric Holder than to Jeff Sessions.
Do you guys even want to live in reality?
We are always going to have people with emotional problems…and sometimes they can’t get help or they don’t get better. There should never be an assault like weapon sold to any civilian. That’s where I put the blame.
How many people have died from mass shootings? Was it 58 in Las Vegas? Did we forget that already? Sandy Hook…the horror and heartbreak. Virginia Tech. Aurora. Columbine.
Bless these kids for their standing up to stupid laws (or lack of sensible laws).
This is another evil brought to us by white men. we don’t necessarily have a gun problem. Rather we have a white problem
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-control-problem-we-have-a-wh-1823330466
“[fear of People of Color is why whites] so obsessed with arming themselves with multiple human killing machines. It’s why they fight against even the notion of incremental disarmament so vehemently. They are scared shitless of us. Of anyone who is not them. And this fear is why our shitty gun laws exist, and it’s why they will continue to.”
This is why it is IMPERITIVE that whites become a minority and lose institutional power
I will say this about a position such as yours, though: it has driven the number of members of the NRA up.
If Runcle was born in Jamaica, he may not be as much of a knucklehead as the typical American black, but his life pattern matches a common pattern of brighter American blacks: He got into college and then received an MBA … but didn’t cut it in the business or start-up world, and ended up in a job working for schools. Blacks with MBAs who wash out of business management, and with JDs who wash out of white-shoe law firms (into corporate general counsel jobs or out of law altogether) can be attributed to affirmative action and getting in to programs they weren’t qualified for to begin with.
Education is where the bottom decile of college students congregate (those whose tuition-paying parents prohibit them from “studies” majors). Ironically, blacks who major in education often get washed out from teaching beyond elementary school because they cannot pass the praxis exams. But there is nothing standing between them and administration jobs, which accounts for the number of chip-on-shoulder or simply incompetent black school administrators.
See the following posts:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/26/jack-cashill-incompetence-wasnt-the-problem-in-broward-county/#more-146302
And this one, which I gather is by one of the CT guys, which provides an excellent step-by-step summary:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
By the way, doesn't Supt Runcie look like Frozone from 'The Incredibles'?Replies: @Olorin, @midtown, @Barnard, @Mr. Anon, @penskefile, @Charles Erwin Wilson
The Conservative Treehouse article says the Sheriff is untouchable until his next election. A member of the Florida state assembly was on Tucker Carlson last night saying they are urging the Governor to use suspend him and that point the State Senate can vote to remove him from office. He cited a statute that any sheriff can be suspended for, “malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony.” He said they easily have the votes in the Senate to remove him from office. I would say this is a pretty easy case, Scott better follow through and do it.
Would Cruz have been arrested and jailed for anything? Police were called to his adoptive mother’s home many times, but there doesn’t seem to be any charges filed that would lead to jail. Would giving him a prison rap have changed anything other than making him unemployable?
I thought the school to prison thing was an attempt to keep black men in the work force by not giving them arrest records for minor crimes.
I'd really like to hear an argument for them.Replies: @stillCARealist, @DFH, @Barnard, @Alden, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Almost Missouri
You’ll get no arguments from me.
I notice that when the schools are out… summer, spring break, winter break, holidays, random teacher days… the city feels no different. Somehow parents manage and life swims along. I think our entire society is fooling itself. There could be an entirely different paradigm for kids and education but we’re so stuck in our ways that we’re missing it.
“…The school district’s Office of Minority Male Achievement…”
I wonder what their annual budget is. I imagine this is where SJWs with otherwise worthless college degrees go for employment.
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http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/large/public/201408/8-12_RobertRuncie.jpgReplies: @Pat Boyle, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'..., @SteveRogers42, @ScarletNumber
It always seemed to me that the various macro-trends afoot in our republic. it would become inevitable that at some point if someone couldn’t manage to earn a high school diploma they would be incarcerated – for life.
So I have long thought that the trope about “School-To-Prison Pipeline” would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I’m wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don’t even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn’t provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don’t do well on the SAT-like test – in you go forever.
I’m probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.
Higher education is bloated, but it's not that bloated. About 43% of each cohort are now cadging a baccalaureate degree. About 60% enroll in some sort of tertiary schooling.
Blacks used to do those jobs but the food industry doesn’t want blacks because of behavior issues.Replies: @gunner29
Those involved in the criminal justice system at any one time: <3%
Roughly a third of those incarcerated have a high school degree.There's not a lot of correlation between unemployment and crime.
One thing that I found remarkable about the whole story were some details about the Broward County Sheriff’s Office. Their current annual budget is $825 million. I guess that’s not out of line with an agency that has 5,800 employees and runs the county’s jails, but still.
It’s come to light that Scott Israel is corrupt, but I don’t imagine he’s any more corrupt than the average Sheriff, certainly not the average Sheriff in the southeast.
We are always going to have people with emotional problems...and sometimes they can't get help or they don't get better. There should never be an assault like weapon sold to any civilian. That's where I put the blame.
How many people have died from mass shootings? Was it 58 in Las Vegas? Did we forget that already? Sandy Hook...the horror and heartbreak. Virginia Tech. Aurora. Columbine.
Bless these kids for their standing up to stupid laws (or lack of sensible laws).
This is another evil brought to us by white men. we don't necessarily have a gun problem. Rather we have a white problem
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-control-problem-we-have-a-wh-1823330466
"[fear of People of Color is why whites] so obsessed with arming themselves with multiple human killing machines. It’s why they fight against even the notion of incremental disarmament so vehemently. They are scared shitless of us. Of anyone who is not them. And this fear is why our shitty gun laws exist, and it’s why they will continue to."
This is why it is IMPERITIVE that whites become a minority and lose institutional powerReplies: @Mr. Anon, @e, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @t-gordon
We are aware……….every time we see one of your posts.
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/large/public/201408/8-12_RobertRuncie.jpgReplies: @Pat Boyle, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'..., @SteveRogers42, @ScarletNumber
So, not the Robert Runcie who was Archbishop of Canterbury, then?
https://d1vdx9ifs4n5d7.cloudfront.net/s3fs-public/legacy_files/imce/uploads/chocolate_0.JPG
See the following posts:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/26/jack-cashill-incompetence-wasnt-the-problem-in-broward-county/#more-146302
And this one, which I gather is by one of the CT guys, which provides an excellent step-by-step summary:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
By the way, doesn't Supt Runcie look like Frozone from 'The Incredibles'?Replies: @Olorin, @midtown, @Barnard, @Mr. Anon, @penskefile, @Charles Erwin Wilson
The one bad note in The Incredibles. Why, of all people, is loud black man the ice-and-snow superhero? Whites are after all called “ice people” for a reason.
No, more like Mid Obama Era Dangerous Meddling. It takes a while for the bomb to go off once you’ve lit the fuse.
Once again the Daily Mail is tracking important issues that the MSM never looks at. Come for the T&A sidebar, stay for important policy discussions.
Hosk and Swanepoel
Hosk:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5363339/Elsa-Hosk-models-skimpy-bikini-designed.html
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
We are overdue for universal basic income but the plutocratic elites aren’t thrilled about such a prospect, for obvious reasons, and the useful idiot majority doesn’t support UBI (to the extent they’ve even heard of the concept) because of largely-obsolete notions of work and wealth, so people are working the same amount as their grandparents did for the same pay [in real terms] despite productivity having increased by a very large margin in recent decades.
The majority of government employees sole function is to harass and extract revenue from the law abiding.
Upon meeting someone and learning they are employed by a government entity they automatically drop in my estimation of them by a solid 25 to 50%.
It's happening all over the country and the natives are so clueless they think it's some spontaneous local initiative. It's especially maddening to see local Republicans falling for these scams, trying to salvage social justice Pokemon points for themselves. Cucks!
Got to admit the Obama admin was good at suckering them in.Replies: @Jefferson, @Robert Hume
In the DC and Maryland area they don’t even have to keep the seat warm. They don’t have to show up for school and they graduate anyway. All over the Washington Post
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/large/public/201408/8-12_RobertRuncie.jpgReplies: @Pat Boyle, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'..., @SteveRogers42, @ScarletNumber
The focus should be to keep schools safe and maximally conducive to learning. Improving the behavior and desire-to-learn of disruptive and violent students is an admirable, if largely futile, goal, but these students must be kept separate from well-behaved students, regardless of the effort and resources expended on trying to help delinquent students. If we want to talk about disparate impact: well-behaved, eager-to-learn students in majority-black school districts are disproportionately deprived of the right to safety and a good education compared to similar students in majority-white districts.
The best way to stop the school to prison pipeline is to close the schools. Apparently, it must be in the schools where children learn to be criminals.
When, after a nationwide search, he was hired two years ago to serve as superintendent of Florida’s Broward County Public Schools, Robert Runcie began brainstorming ways to close the racial achievement gap. …“One of the first things I saw was a huge differential in minority students, black male students in particular, in terms of suspensions and arrests,” he says. Black students made up two-thirds of all suspensions during the 2011-2012 school year despite comprising only 40 percent of the student body. …
Fifty years ago, Daniel Patrick Moynihan offered that many ‘social problems’ are spoken of as such and command the attention of public agencies because social policy mavens are upset by some phenomenon, not because ordinary people are or ever would be. Outside of sets of cadres in the educational apparat, the social work apparat, and the legal profession, the only people who think either phenomenon is an actual problem are an obstreperous subset of blacks. For the other 96% of the population, this is a social condition, not a social problem. The question at hand is how does the majority organize to take public institutions away from the people who’ve so damaged them.
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree.
Higher education is bloated, but it’s not that bloated. About 43% of each cohort are now cadging a baccalaureate degree. About 60% enroll in some sort of tertiary schooling.
In places like Chicago they’ve reduced the suspension-discipline ‘gap’ by simply letting things go and not doing anything. It’s been replaced with something called ‘restorative’ justice or similar which entails just having them say they’re sorry. As a result the public schools at the basic level are worse than useless but a downright hazard. To avoid total disaster there’s various tracks such as magnet schools, charters, AP classes that the non-retarded can use. This keeps the system viable to some extent. But really, haven’t racial politics been the destruction of public schools since the days of busing?
This was tried in Seattle. Oops!
https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/highline-struggles-with-fallout-of-limiting-student-suspensions/
If you take that headline literally it means they want to create a prison-to-school pipeline. A Kinsley-style gaffe?
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
Not a bad idea. My only refinement would be to send the flunkies to an Escape from New York type location. Air drop video cameras and send in video drones and make a reality show out of it for the rest of the population to watch.
That’s a good line.
See also Max Eden's piece today in City Journal which misattributes breaking of the story to WaPo:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.html
Yet again Sundance does the hewing, hauling, and hefting w/o MSM mention, just as with the Miami-Dade/Trayvon casse.Replies: @Neoconned, @ben tillman
How did he slip thru the cracks? Simple, the bloated police and education bureaucracy exists to establish makework jobs for otherwise unemployable ppl.
Where I live cops make $9/hour with shift captains making a lousy $15-16/hr….
I’d gladly be a cop if I lived in a state w better pay grades…. nobody actually cares about the kids mental health….all they care about is extracting a babysitting salary while dealing w society’s degenerates
OT: Not out of Africa?
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/human-footprints-greece
More OT:
Transgender model who claimed ‘all white people are racist' is Labour’s new equality adviser
Frankly, we have reached pretty much the endtimes.
I hope the rapture begins soon.Replies: @tyrone
“Black students made up two-thirds of all suspensions during the 2011-2012 school year despite comprising only 40 percent of the student body. …”
Wow, whutta surprise!
All the affirmative action blacks who can’t function in the schools end up at district headquarters in do nothing jobs.
Meanwhile, White women are stuck in the classrooms at the mercy of the animals.
Blacks are 40 percent of the students?
How can any non black parent send their kids to one of those dangerous schools? Just the screeching, howling and yowling of the blacks probably causes hearing loss.
Ever heard black kids? Ever seen them at bus stops after school? Ever heard their language? Every garbled incomplete sentence has 2 mother lovers and 5 n words in it.
I don’t know about the Florida Cubans, but the Mexicans students in other states have made the schools significantly safer and more civilized.
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/human-footprints-greeceReplies: @El Dato
Very unlikely but very interesting.
More OT:
Transgender model who claimed ‘all white people are racist’ is Labour’s new equality adviser
Frankly, we have reached pretty much the endtimes.
I hope the rapture begins soon.
See also Max Eden's piece today in City Journal which misattributes breaking of the story to WaPo:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.html
Yet again Sundance does the hewing, hauling, and hefting w/o MSM mention, just as with the Miami-Dade/Trayvon casse.Replies: @Neoconned, @ben tillman
Indeed. And it turns out that the school-to-prison pipeline would have worked out better for Trayvon himself.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-did-parkland-shooter-slip-through-cracks-15741.htmlThe Washington Post, burying the lede way at the bottom of the story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teachers-say-florida-shooters-problems-started-in-middle-school-and-the-system-tried-to-help-him/2018/02/18/cdff7aa6-1413-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.htmlThe big scandal to me is the way that the incentives have been set up to obfuscate the facts and prevent accurate data collection at the school level about classroom discipline and violence. This is a major problem quite separate from this particular incident. If they don't want to arrest black students for crimes committed in class, fine, but don't flush the fact that the crimes occurred down the memory hole. There is no way that any research can be conducted if the facts cannot be obtained.
Every single problem with education can be traced to the gap between black students and other students, in "achievement," in disruptive or criminal behavior, you name it. If this were confronted honestly, it would be the Copernican/Keplerian moment, when everything makes sense and the epicycles fade away. Solutions, whatever they might be, could be rationally entertained.Replies: @Alden
The root causes of misbehavior are called DNA. This is nothing new. It’s been imposed on the juvenile and adult criminal justice system since 1965.
I'd really like to hear an argument for them.Replies: @stillCARealist, @DFH, @Barnard, @Alden, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Almost Missouri
To keep black children indoors and supervised, at least during the day
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
These people couldn’t work even before the automation phenomenon. Now, it’s even worst. As such, they constitute a redundant population. In lieu of jail we public welfare. Thus, they wind up in subsidized housing, collecting welfare checks and living on food stamps. All without having contributed one thin dime towards their situation–and all courtesy of the rest of us pilgrims who have to work for a living. There was a talk show host here in the NYC area who once proposed a mandatory sterilization i.e. no more than a litter of two, after that–tie the tubes! He was shouted down of course.
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/large/public/201408/8-12_RobertRuncie.jpgReplies: @Pat Boyle, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'..., @SteveRogers42, @ScarletNumber
Right scumbag, Runcie, keep the animals in the classroom where they can bully and terrorize the Whites. And if a White dares to fight back either physically or verbally, invoke the zero tolerance policy.
One law for blacks, but full persecution and punishment for Whites. Blacks can rob beat and bully without punishment, but let a White be late for class and it’s suspension.
The permitted and encouraged bullying and mistreatment if White kids in school is just to prepare them for a life time of affirmative action discrimination and robbery and assaults by blacks.
We are the helots. Blacks are the agents the state uses to keep us down.
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/02/26/santa-ana-river-homeless-encampments-last-residents-move-out/
It is all over for the homeless of the Santa Ana River.
Of all the excuses for criminality, imagining a pipeline is an odd one. People talk about it like it’s an impersonal, automatic process. But in that case a better metaphor would be a conveyor belt.
Young black men go to prison because they commit crimes. If there’s a “school to prison pipeline,” they deliberately choose it, like Mario jumping on a pipe to the underworld.
Wow Steve, this is like, journalism, or something. Will it be consigned to alternative media purdah, to sleep beside Pizzagate and rumors of false flag operations in Syria, or will Fox or WAPO run it?
“the so-far successful attempt to end disproportionate student arrests”
It’s apparently really easy to end “disproportionate” arrests: stop arresting people. Why didn’t I think of that?
This whole mess demonstrates the shallowness of our elites. They imbue the pursuit of dubious goals like Closing the Whatever Gap (maybe the Gap is there for a reason, because we’re not actually all the same person in different skin) with morally bloated terms like “crusade.” Then they fail to take into account, or willfully ignore, side effects. And there are always side effects. Such as, I dunno, making your county a Gangsta’s Paradise.
Left to themselves, they’d ignore these consequences. Maybe it will still be ignored, but fortunately thanks to a couple of national news scandals the story of their incompetence has broken.
POTUS?
Too much honesty, it makes the rest of us look bad.
Hosk and Swanepoel
Hosk:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5363339/Elsa-Hosk-models-skimpy-bikini-designed.html
There is no reason why blacks, who score the lowest on IQ tests, should ever be put in charge of education in any role. This is like making music teachers out of people with no musical skills at all.
I'd really like to hear an argument for them.Replies: @stillCARealist, @DFH, @Barnard, @Alden, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Almost Missouri
The masses want the “free” babysitting services they provide.
Don’t you just love the “pipeline” metaphor? As if these individuals had zero agency and were merely being conveyed by external forces from one position in life to the next. I’ve worked for juvenile justice and child welfare in Florida for over a decade. I don’t think the average person has the slightest clue what it takes to actually get imprisoned in the state. It isn’t jaywalking or having a bag of weed. In fact, by the time my agency was referred youths for evaluation (and potential placement in residential commitment), they had rap sheets as long as my arm and had already been through diversion, Teen Court, community control, day schools, etc.
To me, and in my own experience, it's just an application of broken windows. Come down early and hard on the little infractions and you'll help prevent the bigger ones. It works for middle class suburban kids, but will it work for the welfare kids?Replies: @Art Deco
Runcie had previously served as Archbishop of Canterbury from 1979 to 1991, then took early retirement to sit at the right hand of God after he became sick of dealing with the issue of the ordination of women.
His appointment as Broward County schools superintendent came as a surprise to many who believed he was dead, but for a man used to being asked to work miracles, this late-career switch came as a welcome challenge for the man who used to be in overall charge of hundreds of Church of England schools run in partnership with local education authorities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Runcie#Archbishop_of_Canterbury
From Poughkeepsie Community College to Harvard with the stroke of a pencil!!
But they did not “get to the root cause” with Cruz!
It’s amazing how rat bastard leftys never, ever, consider how the beneficiaries of some gobt program are going to ‘game’ it. Offer millions if the school can minimize feral negros getting arrested, the obvious ‘game’ is not to arrest them! And then never consider the long term consequences for everybody involved.
The original story was about feral negro Trayvon Martin. But the MSM rat bastards did an effective job of not reporting on it, so down the memory hole it went.
Too bad they drained the Everglades for Broward and the surrounds.
So if you make a test too easy everyone can pass?
Forty percent of the student body is large given the census information for Broward County.
Broward County Public School Statistics / Demographics
Total Number of Students 256,794
American Indian/Alaska Native 811
Asian 9,014
Hispanic 71,265
Black 94,187
White 67,813
Hawaiian Native/Pacific Islander 0
2 or more races 0This site has a graph confirming Broward County at 38% black, 30% white, and 26% Hispanic. But graph is from 2007, so above larger Hispanic percentage is probably more accurate.
http://broadfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1177-tbp2008browardfactsheet.pdfReplies: @istevefan, @AndrewR, @Anonymous
Also from the link:
Runcie’s relaxed discipline program was an attempt to improve black graduation rates. Was the relaxed discipline program successful in improving black graduation rates? According to the following article, black graduation rates have improved in Broward County.Miami and Broward public schools’ graduation rates continue to rise. (January 3,2018)
According to the article, black graduation rates are now at 75%, a substantial improvement from the 61% graduation rate cited in the American Prospect article. White graduation rates also improved, from 81% to 87%.
There are at least three questions to ask. First, are these improved graduation rates valid? Education stats, like any stats, can be tweaked to hide the real stats. Two decades ago, I was researching some urban Texas high schools. A number of those urban high schools reported a freshman class that was 50-60% larger than the senior class, but with an annual dropout rate of 3-5%. You can’t have a 3-5% dropout rate with such a big drop in class size from freshman to senior. IIRC, the way those urban Texas high schools were able to hide the true dropout rate was related to students who transferred out of the school. Many dropouts were labeled as transfers out of the school. Or, a transfer into a school, who later dropped out, was not listed as transferring to a school.
A second question is related to graduation requirements. Are graduation requirements currently as stringent as the previous requirements? If diplomas are now being handed out like candy, a higher graduation rate is meaningless.
Assuming that the answers to the previous two questions are yes, indicating that current graduation rates are valid and graduation rates are as stringent as they were previously, a third question arises.
Was the relaxed discipline program the only policy change for Broward County schools? If it wasn’t the only change, then the question arises: to what degree was the relaxed discipline program responsible for the improved graduation rates, compared to other policy changes?
If the relaxed discipline program DID help increase black graduation rates, then the conclusion is that the relaxed discipline program had a mixed record. It improved graduation rates overall, including blacks. However, the reduction in arrests meant that students who should have been targeted by the criminal justice system, such as Nikolas Cruz, were not. More graduates and more dead students.
Broward County has a very large age 55+ population (includes retirees) that may be heavily white. Youth population demographics (20% of total) may be very different from senior population.
Broward County Public School Statistics / Demographics
Total Number of Students 256,794
American Indian/Alaska Native 811
Asian 9,014
Hispanic 71,265
Black 94,187
White 67,813
Hawaiian Native/Pacific Islander 0
2 or more races 0
This site has a graph confirming Broward County at 38% black, 30% white, and 26% Hispanic. But graph is from 2007, so above larger Hispanic percentage is probably more accurate.
http://broadfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1177-tbp2008browardfactsheet.pdf
Yet is there any other place on the planet where this doting would take place if the younger generation were as ethnically and racially dissimilar to the older generation as it is here in the US? What in one case is a sign of health, in this case is a sign that your group is dying out. How is that something that is not to be discussed? Are these people really OK with this?Replies: @Stan Adams
You know, now that I think about it, why would anyone want to reverse “Broward County’s School-To-Prison Pipeline?”
Do we need to take violent felons out of jail and land them in schools for the enrichment of other students?
I mean, I guess I could see an argument for ‘shutting down‘ a “school-to-prison pipeline” — don’t criminalize boyhood; give kids a second chance; don’t stick them in jail where they will be corrupted by hardened convicts; yada-yada-yada.
But reverse the pipeline? Does anyone in newspapers these days pay any attention at all to what they write?
We are always going to have people with emotional problems...and sometimes they can't get help or they don't get better. There should never be an assault like weapon sold to any civilian. That's where I put the blame.
How many people have died from mass shootings? Was it 58 in Las Vegas? Did we forget that already? Sandy Hook...the horror and heartbreak. Virginia Tech. Aurora. Columbine.
Bless these kids for their standing up to stupid laws (or lack of sensible laws).
This is another evil brought to us by white men. we don't necessarily have a gun problem. Rather we have a white problem
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-control-problem-we-have-a-wh-1823330466
"[fear of People of Color is why whites] so obsessed with arming themselves with multiple human killing machines. It’s why they fight against even the notion of incremental disarmament so vehemently. They are scared shitless of us. Of anyone who is not them. And this fear is why our shitty gun laws exist, and it’s why they will continue to."
This is why it is IMPERITIVE that whites become a minority and lose institutional powerReplies: @Mr. Anon, @e, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @t-gordon
A car or a pick up truck is an assault weapon if the driver wishes it to be. Without access to a gun, that 19 year old could have mowed down even more kids after school in the parking lot or in a crosswalk.
I will say this about a position such as yours, though: it has driven the number of members of the NRA up.
* need the free babysitting services because wages have been relentlessly crushed
And so it goes.
Is it really fair to hold young black males to the same standards and expectations as say, young white females? I mean, when a suburban white girl gets in trouble at school, her parents will come down on her and have punishments and consequences. The black kid likely faces nothing at home to check him so the school and other authorities have to take the steps themselves. Hence, the existence of your job.
To me, and in my own experience, it’s just an application of broken windows. Come down early and hard on the little infractions and you’ll help prevent the bigger ones. It works for middle class suburban kids, but will it work for the welfare kids?
Again, the vast majority of black kids come from wage-earning families. The domestic disciplinary regime is often weak and erratic and there's a peer culture which nourishes rudeness, so you get a lot of incorrigibles in schools. Right now, we have no regular infrastructure for sequestering those incorrigibles so the rest of the young can learn something and the teachers can have passable working conditions.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Is it normal for high schools to have over 1000 students? If so, is this good? Is there any correlation between school shootings and size?
I went to a small school. There were probably 300 students, 9-12, in high school. I admit we did not have the most advanced classroom facilities. We did not offer the various AP courses. But everyone knew each other, classes were small, discipline was not a problem, and the educational experience seems to have been good.
Additionally it was easy to participate in extracurricular activities. Any boy could go out for the varsity football team. There were no cuts. You might not have ever played in a game, but at least you could participate in practice and wear the team’s jersey on game days.
I am sure other people will think that larger schools are better. But if I were in charge I would cap a high school at no more than 500 students. I mention this because I think school populations are only going to get worse as we foolishly compete to remain among the top three most populous nations on earth. This never ending population growth, led by immigration, is only going to exacerbate the problem of scale not just in our schools, but in the society at large.
I don’t get why the true liberals, who really do admire the boutique societies of Europe, don’t connect the dots and realize that scale matters. I don’t know for sure if these large schools are more susceptible to such mass shootings, but I just don’t see how you can get the same positive experience going to such a school where you don’t know most people.
In Florida and other immigrant impacted states the constant population growth is a need for big high schools.
Now stop saying it before I get angry about how it'll never happen.
And 1,000 students isn't even that much. My high school had double that.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @istevefan
I'd really like to hear an argument for them.Replies: @stillCARealist, @DFH, @Barnard, @Alden, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Almost Missouri
Baby sitters for working Mother’s is the only rational reason. The real reason is affirmative action non teaching jobs at district headquarters
What a country. We have turned administration of public schools over to the stupidest demographic which also raises the most criminal demographic.
Affirmative action in action.
I went to a small school. There were probably 300 students, 9-12, in high school. I admit we did not have the most advanced classroom facilities. We did not offer the various AP courses. But everyone knew each other, classes were small, discipline was not a problem, and the educational experience seems to have been good.
Additionally it was easy to participate in extracurricular activities. Any boy could go out for the varsity football team. There were no cuts. You might not have ever played in a game, but at least you could participate in practice and wear the team's jersey on game days.
I am sure other people will think that larger schools are better. But if I were in charge I would cap a high school at no more than 500 students. I mention this because I think school populations are only going to get worse as we foolishly compete to remain among the top three most populous nations on earth. This never ending population growth, led by immigration, is only going to exacerbate the problem of scale not just in our schools, but in the society at large.
I don't get why the true liberals, who really do admire the boutique societies of Europe, don't connect the dots and realize that scale matters. I don't know for sure if these large schools are more susceptible to such mass shootings, but I just don't see how you can get the same positive experience going to such a school where you don't know most people.Replies: @Alden, @njguy73, @AndrewR
Most high schools are at least 2,000. It’s partly because of state ed departments mandated science laboratories gyms etc. the endless year book, newspaper chorus band sports teams and other activities require more students as well.
In Florida and other immigrant impacted states the constant population growth is a need for big high schools.
That is some expensive free babysitting and I am not just talking dollars.
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
The entire food industry from farms to processing plant to supermarkets and restaurants employs illiterate in any language grade school drop out illegal alien Hispanics.
Blacks used to do those jobs but the food industry doesn’t want blacks because of behavior issues.
I know restaurant peeps that were working in the east and midwest 40+ years ago, They hired lots of negros for the help.
Some of them split to the left coast and hired hispanics for the first time. Night and day difference as to the work ethic, showing up on time, taking orders and not getting into a master/slave fight.
Now they won't even consider a negro, just not worth the trouble.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pat Boyle, @Jim Don Bob
OT…. Oh Steve……
https://www.mail.com/entertainment/celebrity/8311358-scenic-california-beach-city-bans-plastic-cutlery.html
I went to a small school. There were probably 300 students, 9-12, in high school. I admit we did not have the most advanced classroom facilities. We did not offer the various AP courses. But everyone knew each other, classes were small, discipline was not a problem, and the educational experience seems to have been good.
Additionally it was easy to participate in extracurricular activities. Any boy could go out for the varsity football team. There were no cuts. You might not have ever played in a game, but at least you could participate in practice and wear the team's jersey on game days.
I am sure other people will think that larger schools are better. But if I were in charge I would cap a high school at no more than 500 students. I mention this because I think school populations are only going to get worse as we foolishly compete to remain among the top three most populous nations on earth. This never ending population growth, led by immigration, is only going to exacerbate the problem of scale not just in our schools, but in the society at large.
I don't get why the true liberals, who really do admire the boutique societies of Europe, don't connect the dots and realize that scale matters. I don't know for sure if these large schools are more susceptible to such mass shootings, but I just don't see how you can get the same positive experience going to such a school where you don't know most people.Replies: @Alden, @njguy73, @AndrewR
That is a lucid, mature, sensible idea.
Now stop saying it before I get angry about how it’ll never happen.
OT: Is in-group favoritism an evolutionary benefit?
https://news.stanford.edu/2018/02/26/infants-expect-favoritism-fairness/
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
Those over age 25 without at least a high school degree: 15%
Those involved in the criminal justice system at any one time: <3%
Roughly a third of those incarcerated have a high school degree.
There’s not a lot of correlation between unemployment and crime.
More OT:
Transgender model who claimed ‘all white people are racist' is Labour’s new equality adviser
Frankly, we have reached pretty much the endtimes.
I hope the rapture begins soon.Replies: @tyrone
when you see these things come to pass, look up, your redemption draweth nigh
You think the non-delinquent blacks have it much better? Tone down the autism a few notches and acknowledge that these leftist policies do harm across racial lines. Whether or not any of your compassion extends to anyone whom you deem to be outside of your racial group, attaining your political goals will often require alliances with such people.
They have even created their own jury nullification scheme called a Bronx Jury.
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/05/nyregion/bronx-juries-a-defense-dream-a-prosecution-nightmare.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bronx+jury+colin+flaherty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkZswNH5KVY&t=1s
Broward County Public School Statistics / Demographics
Total Number of Students 256,794
American Indian/Alaska Native 811
Asian 9,014
Hispanic 71,265
Black 94,187
White 67,813
Hawaiian Native/Pacific Islander 0
2 or more races 0This site has a graph confirming Broward County at 38% black, 30% white, and 26% Hispanic. But graph is from 2007, so above larger Hispanic percentage is probably more accurate.
http://broadfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1177-tbp2008browardfactsheet.pdfReplies: @istevefan, @AndrewR, @Anonymous
You are probably correct. But what I find fascinating is the mindset of these older people. Surely they cannot look upon the youth with the same feelings as when their grandparents looked upon their generation. It seems like a given that people want to see and watch their children and grandchildren. It gives them some sense of continuity. It gives hope for the future. The presence of children is similar to seeing various wildlife in nature. It’s a sign of a healthy environment.
Yet is there any other place on the planet where this doting would take place if the younger generation were as ethnically and racially dissimilar to the older generation as it is here in the US? What in one case is a sign of health, in this case is a sign that your group is dying out. How is that something that is not to be discussed? Are these people really OK with this?
Blacks used to do those jobs but the food industry doesn’t want blacks because of behavior issues.Replies: @gunner29
I know restaurant peeps that were working in the east and midwest 40+ years ago, They hired lots of negros for the help.
Some of them split to the left coast and hired hispanics for the first time. Night and day difference as to the work ethic, showing up on time, taking orders and not getting into a master/slave fight.
Now they won’t even consider a negro, just not worth the trouble.
- blacks have been endlessly told that that they are too good for entry level "burger-flipping" jobs.
- taking orders from the white boss is akin to slavery
- showing up on time and sheeit is not keeping it real
- any small slight is proof of racism and they're off to HR or the EEOC
- etc.
Good Whites have promoted these attitudes and blacks have embraced them. Liberals have a lot to answer for, but they won't. Trying is all they care about; results are irrelevant.Replies: @bartok
What problem does UBI purport to solve? Only a foolish liberaltarian could possibly believe the issues at hand are macroeconomic in nature.
It solves the problem of unproductive people having children. (Children don't get UBI.)
It solves the problem of marginal tax rates approaching or exceeding 100% for welfare recipients who start (or would like to start) working part-time or for modest wages.
If coupled with a tax on centralized wealth, as Bowery proposes, it addresses the problem of privatization of wealth created largely with public goods.Replies: @bartok
Broward County is named after Napoleon Broward, an early governor of Florida.
Several months ago, a brouhaha erupted over his “racist” beliefs, leading to the banishment of his statue from the county courthouse.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sb-broward-statue-controversy-20170927-story.html
This one looks like the Archbishop of Cadbury.
Broward County Public School Statistics / Demographics
Total Number of Students 256,794
American Indian/Alaska Native 811
Asian 9,014
Hispanic 71,265
Black 94,187
White 67,813
Hawaiian Native/Pacific Islander 0
2 or more races 0This site has a graph confirming Broward County at 38% black, 30% white, and 26% Hispanic. But graph is from 2007, so above larger Hispanic percentage is probably more accurate.
http://broadfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1177-tbp2008browardfactsheet.pdfReplies: @istevefan, @AndrewR, @Anonymous
Hispanic is neither a color nor race.
I know restaurant peeps that were working in the east and midwest 40+ years ago, They hired lots of negros for the help.
Some of them split to the left coast and hired hispanics for the first time. Night and day difference as to the work ethic, showing up on time, taking orders and not getting into a master/slave fight.
Now they won't even consider a negro, just not worth the trouble.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pat Boyle, @Jim Don Bob
…or any other American, it seems.
Yet is there any other place on the planet where this doting would take place if the younger generation were as ethnically and racially dissimilar to the older generation as it is here in the US? What in one case is a sign of health, in this case is a sign that your group is dying out. How is that something that is not to be discussed? Are these people really OK with this?Replies: @Stan Adams
It may or may not be significant that a solid, even overwhelming, majority of the whites in Broward are Jewish. The county has long had a reputation as a Democratic stronghold.
About 10% of the population of the three South Florida counties is Jewish, not an 'overwhelming' majority.Replies: @Stan Adams
I went to a small school. There were probably 300 students, 9-12, in high school. I admit we did not have the most advanced classroom facilities. We did not offer the various AP courses. But everyone knew each other, classes were small, discipline was not a problem, and the educational experience seems to have been good.
Additionally it was easy to participate in extracurricular activities. Any boy could go out for the varsity football team. There were no cuts. You might not have ever played in a game, but at least you could participate in practice and wear the team's jersey on game days.
I am sure other people will think that larger schools are better. But if I were in charge I would cap a high school at no more than 500 students. I mention this because I think school populations are only going to get worse as we foolishly compete to remain among the top three most populous nations on earth. This never ending population growth, led by immigration, is only going to exacerbate the problem of scale not just in our schools, but in the society at large.
I don't get why the true liberals, who really do admire the boutique societies of Europe, don't connect the dots and realize that scale matters. I don't know for sure if these large schools are more susceptible to such mass shootings, but I just don't see how you can get the same positive experience going to such a school where you don't know most people.Replies: @Alden, @njguy73, @AndrewR
Why would you bother going to practice if you never got to play a game?
And 1,000 students isn’t even that much. My high school had double that.
Several months ago, a brouhaha erupted over his "racist" beliefs, leading to the banishment of his statue from the county courthouse.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sb-broward-statue-controversy-20170927-story.htmlReplies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous
Broward should have named his idea “Wakandaism.”
Ironically, Broward was considered progressive by the standards of the time. As sheriff of Duval County (Jacksonville), he once prevented the lynching of a black murderer. (There was no dispute as to the man's guilt.)
A few years later, Broward illegally ran guns, men, and supplies to the Cuban rebels fighting for independence from Spain. He was indicted for violating American neutrality, but the outbreak of the Spanish-American War made the issue moot.
Don’t assume incompetence when malice is a much better explanatory factor.
They're also malicious. Those things go together.
I know restaurant peeps that were working in the east and midwest 40+ years ago, They hired lots of negros for the help.
Some of them split to the left coast and hired hispanics for the first time. Night and day difference as to the work ethic, showing up on time, taking orders and not getting into a master/slave fight.
Now they won't even consider a negro, just not worth the trouble.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pat Boyle, @Jim Don Bob
Good to know. You can’t get this kind of report from the media.
Actually I was an AFDC Welfare social worker when I just graduated from college. That was a long time ago but in seems to be the same today as it was in the sixties.
I’m not advocating anything but it seems likely that serious change is coming.
The phrase “school-to-prison pipeline” is another good example of the Sapir-Whorf effect in action.
If school increased the odds of certain people going to prison, then they would be better off if they dropped out. Obviously, this isn’t how it works.
The effect would be better termed a “home-to-prison pipeline”. But because that phrase never caught on, nobody thinks of it in those terms.
Afros are infamous for protecting Afro criminals.
They have even created their own jury nullification scheme called a Bronx Jury.
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/05/nyregion/bronx-juries-a-defense-dream-a-prosecution-nightmare.html
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bronx+jury+colin+flaherty
It may or may not be significant that a solid, even overwhelming, majority of the whites in Broward are Jewish. The county has long had a reputation as a Democratic stronghold.
About 10% of the population of the three South Florida counties is Jewish, not an ‘overwhelming’ majority.
Yeah, really.
Ironically, Broward was considered progressive by the standards of the time. As sheriff of Duval County (Jacksonville), he once prevented the lynching of a black murderer. (There was no dispute as to the man’s guilt.)
A few years later, Broward illegally ran guns, men, and supplies to the Cuban rebels fighting for independence from Spain. He was indicted for violating American neutrality, but the outbreak of the Spanish-American War made the issue moot.
And 1,000 students isn't even that much. My high school had double that.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @istevefan
Point made.
TANF currently enrolls about 4 million people, v. the 12 million enrolled in AFDC 25 years ago. Also, the racial composition of the rolls differs, with the black share having fallen from 1/2 to 1/3. About 3% of the black population is living in households drawing income from TANF.
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
Again, there’s been no secular decline in employment-to-population ratios in this country. They’re somewhat higher than they were 60 years ago.
About 10% of the population of the three South Florida counties is Jewish, not an 'overwhelming' majority.Replies: @Stan Adams
“Overwhelming” may not be the right word, but Broward’s Jewish population is the largest in the state and the eighth-largest in the country.
See the following posts:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/26/jack-cashill-incompetence-wasnt-the-problem-in-broward-county/#more-146302
And this one, which I gather is by one of the CT guys, which provides an excellent step-by-step summary:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
By the way, doesn't Supt Runcie look like Frozone from 'The Incredibles'?Replies: @Olorin, @midtown, @Barnard, @Mr. Anon, @penskefile, @Charles Erwin Wilson
My first thought is that he looks like a black John Waters. I bet Runcie is “intersectional”
To me, and in my own experience, it's just an application of broken windows. Come down early and hard on the little infractions and you'll help prevent the bigger ones. It works for middle class suburban kids, but will it work for the welfare kids?Replies: @Art Deco
It works for middle class suburban kids, but will it work for the welfare kids?
Again, the vast majority of black kids come from wage-earning families. The domestic disciplinary regime is often weak and erratic and there’s a peer culture which nourishes rudeness, so you get a lot of incorrigibles in schools. Right now, we have no regular infrastructure for sequestering those incorrigibles so the rest of the young can learn something and the teachers can have passable working conditions.
Who is to say it is not the hardest cases - the children of welfare mommas - who account for a preponderance of the problem?
It solves the problem of welfare going only to the unproductive.
It solves the problem of unproductive people having children. (Children don’t get UBI.)
It solves the problem of marginal tax rates approaching or exceeding 100% for welfare recipients who start (or would like to start) working part-time or for modest wages.
If coupled with a tax on centralized wealth, as Bowery proposes, it addresses the problem of privatization of wealth created largely with public goods.
Good one.
In some times and places in this country, doctors have done exactly as you suggest without the woman’s knowledge.
I don’t think I’ve seen you comment here before. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
I know restaurant peeps that were working in the east and midwest 40+ years ago, They hired lots of negros for the help.
Some of them split to the left coast and hired hispanics for the first time. Night and day difference as to the work ethic, showing up on time, taking orders and not getting into a master/slave fight.
Now they won't even consider a negro, just not worth the trouble.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pat Boyle, @Jim Don Bob
Several things have changed for the worse in black culture in the past 40 years:
– blacks have been endlessly told that that they are too good for entry level “burger-flipping” jobs.
– taking orders from the white boss is akin to slavery
– showing up on time and sheeit is not keeping it real
– any small slight is proof of racism and they’re off to HR or the EEOC
– etc.
Good Whites have promoted these attitudes and blacks have embraced them. Liberals have a lot to answer for, but they won’t. Trying is all they care about; results are irrelevant.
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/large/public/201408/8-12_RobertRuncie.jpgReplies: @Pat Boyle, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'..., @SteveRogers42, @ScarletNumber
Runcie looks like a dumb-as-sh*t Somali and he thinks like one too.
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/large/public/201408/8-12_RobertRuncie.jpgReplies: @Pat Boyle, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'..., @SteveRogers42, @ScarletNumber
Does this photo look curiously distorted to anyone? Marfans? Photoshop?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtmDxPwlhac#t=0m14s
http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/db_articles/85ceb016bb50527ddd69746ab579e1de35252210.jpg
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/large/public/201408/8-12_RobertRuncie.jpgReplies: @Pat Boyle, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'..., @SteveRogers42, @ScarletNumber
That looks like a painting.
And 1,000 students isn't even that much. My high school had double that.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @istevefan
I played both offense and defense, which most of the starters did. We had several kids, freshman and sophomores who were not starters and some might have only entered a game in a blowout. But we needed all of them in practice to scrimmage. After all, we can’t play defense and offense at the same time.
Practice scrimmages can be intense, and were a great part of being on the team. A kid who was not a starter could earn a lot of respect by stepping up and getting into the mix of things. Most of the kids would go on to play as they became juniors and seniors.
The point I was trying to make is that at some of the larger schools, the coaches might only take 80 kids for the squad. And on a team that big most of those 80 won’t get to play in games and probably won’t have much of a role in practice scrimmages. Additionally, there will be a couple hundred kids who might have wanted to play who won’t make the cut.
At our school we probably had 30 to 40 kids on the team. Every one who went out for the team was on the team. And with only 40 kids max, most at least got to participate in the scrimmages.
If you haven’t played on a school football team you might not think much of the scrimmages. But these were intrasquad games and gave people a chance to experience the contact element of the sport. I recall watching the clock in my last class waiting for 3pm knowing by 3:20 we’d be going at it.
Practice is where a kid that will never be a star on Friday night can at least climb the hierarchy ladder a rung or three.
We are always going to have people with emotional problems...and sometimes they can't get help or they don't get better. There should never be an assault like weapon sold to any civilian. That's where I put the blame.
How many people have died from mass shootings? Was it 58 in Las Vegas? Did we forget that already? Sandy Hook...the horror and heartbreak. Virginia Tech. Aurora. Columbine.
Bless these kids for their standing up to stupid laws (or lack of sensible laws).
This is another evil brought to us by white men. we don't necessarily have a gun problem. Rather we have a white problem
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-control-problem-we-have-a-wh-1823330466
"[fear of People of Color is why whites] so obsessed with arming themselves with multiple human killing machines. It’s why they fight against even the notion of incremental disarmament so vehemently. They are scared shitless of us. Of anyone who is not them. And this fear is why our shitty gun laws exist, and it’s why they will continue to."
This is why it is IMPERITIVE that whites become a minority and lose institutional powerReplies: @Mr. Anon, @e, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @t-gordon
Tiny, In Chicago and Illinois, more black women apply for gun permits than any other group. Are they afraid of the whites in their neighborhoods?
This is an excellent observation. SJWs and their hangers-on don’t really see The Oppressed Other as fully human, with full agency, so impersonal metaphors inevitably creep into their descriptions.
I was thinking about this last night, as we Calvinists were watching the final episode in Season 2 of ‘Victoria’, a mostly-excellent historical drama depicting, so far, the first 10 years or so of the eponymous British monarch’s reign.
This series is exceptionally well-done in general, with superb acting, great sets and atmosphere, etc. But it’s marred by the insertion of 21st-century ‘social justice’ storylines that are dropped into the broad historical narrative like turds on a polished parquet floor.
One long-running storyline depicts a homosexual relationship between a (male) aide to the Queen and an up-and-coming Tory politician. Their presence in the story refers to actual historical figures, but their ages, times of service, and of course sexual predilections are reinvented for this new, improved story. Both are flawless — they’re young and beautiful, morally upright, and one (minor spoiler alert) dies a matyr. Who cares if the legacies of the actual men these characters are based on have been gutted and used as base raw material when Greater Good can be achieved?
Another SJW storyline appears only in the final Season 2 episode. The Queen is presented with the ‘gift’ of a child, a tribal ‘princess’ who’s been rescued by an English officer who’s fighting the slave trade in west Africa. Kudos to the producers for depicting Britain’s lead in ending the slave trade, but the SJW elements of the story kick in as this girl comes to live with Victoria and her children. The girl herself is angelic and wise, but unhappy. The Queen holds this girl’s life in her hands, and must decide what’s best for her.
At the same time, a member of the Queen’s household staff finds out she’s inherited a legacy from a long-lost uncle who emigrated to America. Selling off this property will give this staff member a new life, and a chance to marry the man she loves. But what is the property? 20 slaves. Again, this young white woman has the very lives of Africans in her power. How woke will she turn out to be?
In both of these storylines, the moral drama is wholly-owned by the white, English characters. The African characters are utterly without agency and hope, unless they are rescued — redeemed, even, in the case of the slaves — by their great White Saviors.
It’s this impulse that excites the SJWs. They are not really interested in equality qua equality, nor in actual human beings. They are consumed by pride in their own power and perspicacity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Harris_(Upstairs,_Downstairs)
Compared to 1958, when single-income two-parent families were the norm, by choice? That’s an odd comparison.
He looks less freaky on video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtmDxPwlhac#t=0m14s
We are always going to have people with emotional problems...and sometimes they can't get help or they don't get better. There should never be an assault like weapon sold to any civilian. That's where I put the blame.
How many people have died from mass shootings? Was it 58 in Las Vegas? Did we forget that already? Sandy Hook...the horror and heartbreak. Virginia Tech. Aurora. Columbine.
Bless these kids for their standing up to stupid laws (or lack of sensible laws).
This is another evil brought to us by white men. we don't necessarily have a gun problem. Rather we have a white problem
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-control-problem-we-have-a-wh-1823330466
"[fear of People of Color is why whites] so obsessed with arming themselves with multiple human killing machines. It’s why they fight against even the notion of incremental disarmament so vehemently. They are scared shitless of us. Of anyone who is not them. And this fear is why our shitty gun laws exist, and it’s why they will continue to."
This is why it is IMPERITIVE that whites become a minority and lose institutional powerReplies: @Mr. Anon, @e, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @t-gordon
You are SO right. We have to stop evil white guy like the following from owning guns and murdering innocent people of color: https://goo.gl/images/L42PCx
…who reliably vote ~95% against my interests.
Does Gov. Scott, a corporate Republican, have the balls to defenestrate a Jewish ‘sheriff’? We’ll see.
I'd really like to hear an argument for them.Replies: @stillCARealist, @DFH, @Barnard, @Alden, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Almost Missouri
Without public schools and their free and reduced price school lunch (and breakfast), the precious children would go hungry.
In comment # 82, I pointed out that the relaxed discipline program in Broward County schools appeared to have the positive consequence that Runcie intended it to have: increased graduation rates. Is this higher graduation rate not something worth discussing?
See the following posts:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/26/jack-cashill-incompetence-wasnt-the-problem-in-broward-county/#more-146302
And this one, which I gather is by one of the CT guys, which provides an excellent step-by-step summary:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
By the way, doesn't Supt Runcie look like Frozone from 'The Incredibles'?Replies: @Olorin, @midtown, @Barnard, @Mr. Anon, @penskefile, @Charles Erwin Wilson
LOL. I knew I had seen him before! BTW, I loved the Incredibles.
Tell me more about how much the GOP represents your interests.
- blacks have been endlessly told that that they are too good for entry level "burger-flipping" jobs.
- taking orders from the white boss is akin to slavery
- showing up on time and sheeit is not keeping it real
- any small slight is proof of racism and they're off to HR or the EEOC
- etc.
Good Whites have promoted these attitudes and blacks have embraced them. Liberals have a lot to answer for, but they won't. Trying is all they care about; results are irrelevant.Replies: @bartok
Worse for whom? Blacks used to work for their pay and now they do little work (whatever their employment status) and draw the same or higher pay from one source or another, mainly government make-work or welfare.
Seems like Democrats delivered blacks the goods. They live like Keynes imagined the future – actually working 10 hours per week at the most.
Blacks don’t want law-and-order or intact families. They don’t want to prevent crime or bastardy. Or if you think they do, where’s the evidence?
Again, Democrats delivered what blacks actually want, and have earned their votes thrice-over. (1. Civil rights to sue White employers and to always receive govt. money, 2. Disorder, 3. Bastardy).
Bone Thugs N Harmony – 1st of Tha Month
It’s important to sterilize the males as well as the females. There needs to be a program where unmarried and low IQ parents are offered carrot and stick motivations to have it done.
It solves the problem of unproductive people having children. (Children don't get UBI.)
It solves the problem of marginal tax rates approaching or exceeding 100% for welfare recipients who start (or would like to start) working part-time or for modest wages.
If coupled with a tax on centralized wealth, as Bowery proposes, it addresses the problem of privatization of wealth created largely with public goods.Replies: @bartok
UBI can’t work because of the incompetence of the poor. There’s no evidence that Americans would be hardhearted enough to tell a ‘starving’ or ‘homeless’ person, much less a child: “You squandered your UBI? Tough it out until next month.”
Very well said.
Practice is where a kid that will never be a star on Friday night can at least climb the hierarchy ladder a rung or three.
UBI–yet another concept functionally at odds with open borders–
LOL… he’s still in his 40s, so I’m sure it’s crossed his mind…
Root and branch, as long as they’re gardening.
Schools are not self-governing regions or Indian reservations. If I were a parent of a student, I would tell the student to call the cops if assaulted or hurt by another student. The school administrators might talk the cops out of charging the perp, but then complain to the cops, local politicians, journalists, and central school adminstrators, threatening a civil suit, naming both the perp and school administrators as defendants.
School administrators do not have the right to nullify the local criminal law of the region in which they are located.
And this goes with univeristies also. Go to the cops on everything. Build up a paper trail.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
Understatement of the Century. Remember during the presidential campaign Paul promised to strike from the books any law producing disparate impact. It was pointed out to him that this would include laws against rape and murder and he responded, oh that’s different.
I'd really like to hear an argument for them.Replies: @stillCARealist, @DFH, @Barnard, @Alden, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Almost Missouri
Warehousing the violence-prone kids of substandard parents.
Next question.
OMG….LOL…. I like it. Everyone gets to be productive.
Whoa! Does that mean that Runcie just blew off a congressional subpoena without suffering any consequences?
Black Privilege® is really amazing!
Broward County Public School Statistics / Demographics
Total Number of Students 256,794
American Indian/Alaska Native 811
Asian 9,014
Hispanic 71,265
Black 94,187
White 67,813
Hawaiian Native/Pacific Islander 0
2 or more races 0This site has a graph confirming Broward County at 38% black, 30% white, and 26% Hispanic. But graph is from 2007, so above larger Hispanic percentage is probably more accurate.
http://broadfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1177-tbp2008browardfactsheet.pdfReplies: @istevefan, @AndrewR, @Anonymous
And even the younger white adults, if they love their children, do not send them to public schools.
So I have long thought that the trope about "School-To-Prison Pipeline" would eventually come to be literally true.
Maybe I'm wrong but as jobs becomes scarce from automation those who can actually find a job will all have academic credentials. Already everyone is scrambling for a college degree. How can those who don't even have a high school diploma, be expected to compete? What do we do with an unemployable eighteen year old male who has few job skills and is probably illiterate? If the government doesn't provide him with sustenance he will starve or steal. It seems wiser just to lock him in a cell.
The next step in that process would be to give high school seniors a standardized test. If you don't do well on the SAT-like test - in you go forever.
I'm probably wrong about all this. Please straighten me out.Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @Alden, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Almost Missouri
Actually, this is already happening, except they are not incarcerated in a prison, they are sequestered in a Sub-Zip. A Sub Zip is the opposite of a Super Zip: a place where no one affluent, famous or influential comes from and the community is not organized enough to resist HUD predation.
School administrators do not have the right to nullify the local criminal law of the region in which they are located.
And this goes with univeristies also. Go to the cops on everything. Build up a paper trail.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @ScarletNumber
Good idea in theory. Unfortunately, Broward County is corrupt. The police and school district collude to keep criminals in school.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
There are at least three questions to ask. First, are these improved graduation rates valid? Education stats, like any stats, can be tweaked to hide the real stats. Two decades ago, I was researching some urban Texas high schools. A number of those urban high schools reported a freshman class that was 50-60% larger than the senior class, but with an annual dropout rate of 3-5%. You can't have a 3-5% dropout rate with such a big drop in class size from freshman to senior. IIRC, the way those urban Texas high schools were able to hide the true dropout rate was related to students who transferred out of the school. Many dropouts were labeled as transfers out of the school. Or, a transfer into a school, who later dropped out, was not listed as transferring to a school.
A second question is related to graduation requirements. Are graduation requirements currently as stringent as the previous requirements? If diplomas are now being handed out like candy, a higher graduation rate is meaningless.
Assuming that the answers to the previous two questions are yes, indicating that current graduation rates are valid and graduation rates are as stringent as they were previously, a third question arises.
Was the relaxed discipline program the only policy change for Broward County schools? If it wasn't the only change, then the question arises: to what degree was the relaxed discipline program responsible for the improved graduation rates, compared to other policy changes?
If the relaxed discipline program DID help increase black graduation rates, then the conclusion is that the relaxed discipline program had a mixed record. It improved graduation rates overall, including blacks. However, the reduction in arrests meant that students who should have been targeted by the criminal justice system, such as Nikolas Cruz, were not. More graduates and more dead students.Replies: @ScarletNumber
LOL @ “if”
He should also have the AG draw up fraud and corruption charges against this fake “public servant”. That will make clear that he didn’t get defenestrated just because he was unlucky and lost a senate popularity contest. He shouldn’t just be out of office. He should be in jail.
The 1970s series Upstairs Downstairs dealt with homosexuality. Once or twice, a couple of the housemaids were shown giggling in bed together before turning out the lights. Then there was the pearl-clutching episode, “A Suitable Marriage”, involving Alfred the footman. The sordid details are in the link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Harris_(Upstairs,_Downstairs)
Several months ago, a brouhaha erupted over his "racist" beliefs, leading to the banishment of his statue from the county courthouse.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sb-broward-statue-controversy-20170927-story.htmlReplies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous
So Mr Broward was something of a foresighted genius, disparaged in his own time as well as ours (otherwise his brilliant plan would have been enacted). Yep we need to erase his memory fast.
Plus ça change, a phrase Napoleon himself might have uttered. Meanwhile what’s not altruistic about his plan? Would have saved us all untold misery and ruin–blacks and whites alike.
Don’t you think that every once in awhile you should provide a cite for your endless propaganda? Just for the sake of credibility, I mean. If that matters to you.
It's come to light that Scott Israel is corrupt, but I don't imagine he's any more corrupt than the average Sheriff, certainly not the average Sheriff in the southeast.Replies: @Almost Missouri
https://twitter.com/irishskeptic/status/967578808432955392
Note that you said “whites” and he responded with “the population” which–especially in places like South Florida–mean very different things.
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Studies/details.cfm?StudyID=814Miami-Dade County, bordering Broward to the south, has the eleventh-largest Jewish population in America (123,000).Broward's Jewish population peaked in the early '90s. It increased from 262,000 in 1988 to 283,000 to 1993. (In 1990, the county's total population was over 1.2 million.)Dade's Jewish population peaked at 248,000 in 1975, then declined steadily for thirty years. It has since ticked up a bit.In the '70s and '80s, Miami Beach was widely known as "God's waiting room." By the time South Beach became trendy again in the early '90s, there weren't that many old folks left.Of Broward's 1.9 million residents (as of 2017), only 40.3 percent were classified as "non-Hispanic white" in 2013.As late as 1990, Broward's population was 75% non-Hispanic white. At that time, the Jewish population was well over 250,000, out of a total of over 1.2 million.(In the 2000s, more blacks moved to Broward than to any other county in the country.)Ah, but how many of the Jews in Broward are Hispanic?In 2013, Broward's non-Hispanic white population was 725,400. In 2016, Broward's non-Hispanic white Jewish population was 135,800.(NOTE: The 725,400 figure is based on the 2013 estimate and assumes a total population of 1.8 million. By 2016, the total population was closer to 1.9 million. (Presumably, the non-Hispanic white percentage had decreased even further by that time.) As of 2017, the total population was slightly more than 1.9 million.)So Jews make up about a fifth of the county's non-Hispanic white population.
Any proposal to improve the quality of the population–or indeed the quality of any aspect of our society–will be instantly and definitively shouted down by the Usual Suspects with cries of “Racist!” and “Nazi”.
I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
School administrators do not have the right to nullify the local criminal law of the region in which they are located.
And this goes with univeristies also. Go to the cops on everything. Build up a paper trail.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @ScarletNumber
You are correct. Many schools think they have sovereign immunity.
Again, the vast majority of black kids come from wage-earning families. The domestic disciplinary regime is often weak and erratic and there's a peer culture which nourishes rudeness, so you get a lot of incorrigibles in schools. Right now, we have no regular infrastructure for sequestering those incorrigibles so the rest of the young can learn something and the teachers can have passable working conditions.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Again, you are a smug, stupid dipsh*t. But this goes without saying.
Who is to say it is not the hardest cases – the children of welfare mommas – who account for a preponderance of the problem?
Yeah. I was going to point that out, but I didn’t want to get into a pissing match.
Then again, Art Deco had a point.
For the record:
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Studies/details.cfm?StudyID=814
Miami-Dade County, bordering Broward to the south, has the eleventh-largest Jewish population in America (123,000).
Broward’s Jewish population peaked in the early ’90s. It increased from 262,000 in 1988 to 283,000 to 1993. (In 1990, the county’s total population was over 1.2 million.)
Dade’s Jewish population peaked at 248,000 in 1975, then declined steadily for thirty years. It has since ticked up a bit.
In the ’70s and ’80s, Miami Beach was widely known as “God’s waiting room.” By the time South Beach became trendy again in the early ’90s, there weren’t that many old folks left.
Of Broward’s 1.9 million residents (as of 2017), only 40.3 percent were classified as “non-Hispanic white” in 2013.
As late as 1990, Broward’s population was 75% non-Hispanic white. At that time, the Jewish population was well over 250,000, out of a total of over 1.2 million.
(In the 2000s, more blacks moved to Broward than to any other county in the country.)
Ah, but how many of the Jews in Broward are Hispanic?
In 2013, Broward’s non-Hispanic white population was 725,400. In 2016, Broward’s non-Hispanic white Jewish population was 135,800.
(NOTE: The 725,400 figure is based on the 2013 estimate and assumes a total population of 1.8 million. By 2016, the total population was closer to 1.9 million. (Presumably, the non-Hispanic white percentage had decreased even further by that time.) As of 2017, the total population was slightly more than 1.9 million.)
So Jews make up about a fifth of the county’s non-Hispanic white population.
Well obviously. I think the NBA & NFL to computer programmer routes need to be worked on. Blacks are way overrepresented in both the NFL and NBA, and I know most of those players are fully fluent in Python, SQL, and Java and would love to have desk jobs, if only they weren’t being held down by the man and forced to harvest touchdowns and baskets day after day for a solid four months a year, which as everyone knows is work too lowly even for Mexicans.
True dat. One of neoliberalism’s signal accomplishments is the radical gutting of the middle class, keel of the Republic, and the debt slavery (particularly embracing access to educational opportunity for the succeding generations…chained to the wheel of debt servitude before even entering the workforce; without “credentials” you are nobody, but now a massively-indebted nobody compliant with the system established by the overlords) which has replaced agency for this cohort of the citizenry. I distinctly remember discussing this with my dad 20 years ago.
And so it goes.
Most Libertarians are idiots who have never thought through their beliefs to their logical ends.
We are always going to have people with emotional problems...and sometimes they can't get help or they don't get better. There should never be an assault like weapon sold to any civilian. That's where I put the blame.
How many people have died from mass shootings? Was it 58 in Las Vegas? Did we forget that already? Sandy Hook...the horror and heartbreak. Virginia Tech. Aurora. Columbine.
Bless these kids for their standing up to stupid laws (or lack of sensible laws).
This is another evil brought to us by white men. we don't necessarily have a gun problem. Rather we have a white problem
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-control-problem-we-have-a-wh-1823330466
"[fear of People of Color is why whites] so obsessed with arming themselves with multiple human killing machines. It’s why they fight against even the notion of incremental disarmament so vehemently. They are scared shitless of us. Of anyone who is not them. And this fear is why our shitty gun laws exist, and it’s why they will continue to."
This is why it is IMPERITIVE that whites become a minority and lose institutional powerReplies: @Mr. Anon, @e, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @t-gordon
What percentage of homicides by firearms are committed by people of what color Tiny Duck? I think the evidence is overwhelming that both whites and blacks (and everyone else) has a serious black problem on their hands. All else is obfuscation and blatant dishonesty.
I’m not assuming incompetence. Their incompetence is manifest.
They’re also malicious. Those things go together.