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From the New York Times news section:

California Panel Sizes Up Reparations for Black Citizens

The state is undertaking the nation’s most ambitious effort so far to compensate for the economic legacy of slavery and racism.

By Kurtis Lee
Reporting from Los Angeles and Hayward, Calif.

Dec. 1, 2022

In the two years since nationwide social justice protests followed the murder of George Floyd, California has undertaken the nation’s most sweeping effort yet to explore some concrete restitution to Black citizens to address the enduring economic effects of slavery and racism.

A nine-member Reparations Task Force has spent months traveling across California to learn about the generational effects of racist policies and actions. The group, formed by legislation signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in 2020, is scheduled to release a report to lawmakers in Sacramento next year outlining recommendations for state-level reparations.

“We are looking at reparations on a scale that is the largest since Reconstruction,” said Jovan Scott Lewis, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who is a member of the task force.

While the creation of the task force is a bold first step, much remains unclear about whether lawmakers will ultimately throw their political weight behind reparations proposals that will require vast financial resources from the state.

“That is why we must put forward a robust plan, with plenty of options,” Dr. Lewis said.

The effort parallels others on a local level, in California and elsewhere, to address the nation’s stark racial disparities and a persistent wealth gap. The median wealth of Black households in the United States is $24,100, compared with $188,200 for white households, according to the most recent Federal Reserve Board Survey of Consumer Finances.

In a preliminary report this year, the task force outlined how enslaved Black people were forced to California during the Gold Rush era and how, in the 1950s and 1960s, racially restrictive covenants and redlining segregated Black Californians in many of the state’s largest cities.

Californians eligible for reparations, the task force decided in March, would be descendants of enslaved African Americans or of a “free Black person living in the United States prior to the end of the 19th century.” Nearly 6.5 percent of California residents, roughly 2.5 million, identify as Black or African American. The panel is now considering how reparations should be distributed — some favor tuition and housing grants while others want direct cash payments.

The task force has identified five areas — housing discrimination, mass incarceration, unjust property seizures, devaluation of Black businesses and health care — in discussions for compensation. For example, from 1933 to 1977, when it comes to housing discrimination, the task force estimates compensation of around $569 billion, with $223,200 per person.

Final figures will be released in the report next year; it would then be up to the Legislature to act upon the recommendations and determine how to fund them.

This is of course exactly what happens when you drive out of polite society the concept that blacks may have some responsibility for why their neighborhood home prices don’t appreciate as much as other races’ neighborhoods. If the only idea anyone is allowed to entertain is that everything is the white man’s fault, then how do you deny them equity?

Of course, by “equity,” they mean your home equity.

 
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  1. • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'll have to watch that sometime. That looks better than most movies I've seen in the last 20 years.

    , @notbe mk 2
    @Reg Cæsar

    Barbershop is a beautiful movie-well worth watching

  2. Reparations will happen before 2050 and white liberals will see that it happens.

    • LOL: Muggles
    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @Gore 2004

    Are you saying that we should be "heavily armed" if we want to avoid being "murdered" by armed "government" workers?

  3. The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it’s all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who’s counting. We’ve already thrown trillions down the drain in “social welfare” spending since the early 60s. It won’t end until American society is a burnt cinder. We’re already well on our way.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @HammerJack


    The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it’s all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who’s counting. We’ve already thrown trillions down the drain in “social welfare” spending since the early 60s. It won’t end until American society is a burnt cinder. We’re already well on our way.
     
    No reparations without repatriation.

    All we need is for nationally prominent Republicans to say it. Blacks are the big beneficiaries of slavery. Sure, slavery was a good business $$$ for some slave traders and maybe some plantation owners back in the day. But it's been a disaster--an expensive disaster--for every non-black American. But for blacks, their ancestors being pulled out of Africa, gifted them the opportunity to live in a white run nation.

    I think we should take this deal. Back of the envelope, 225k and 40-something million sounds like a $10 trillion dollar nut. Yeah, that's huge ... but with blacks sailing away for Africa we'd really "build back better".

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Rooster16, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Michigan Patriot
    @HammerJack

    Agree 100%. May I add our reparations bills for : benefiting from living in a White Christian created " first world society ", the b ill for using all White created inventions, Kindergarten through Ph.D. education, refund on all disproportionated social programs surpassing their tax donations, Black income from White created businesses gave them most of their tax monies. etc.

    , @Anonymous
    @HammerJack

    Reparations will never occur - there will be a very long period of nasty arguing over how much; to whom; and who must pay. Questions will arise instantly - should mulattos get 1/2; should Whites whose families never owned a slave be required to pay; and what about Blacks who just came to America - should they also collect?
    By the time, the amounts and payees and the payers get settled, there won't be an America around to gather up the money -----and if the Blacks think that the Chinese, who will own America, will step up and take over providing money for reparations ----that will never happen. Might as well expect Israel to foot the bill.

    Replies: @Renard

  4. The old adage states that
    “sooner or later,you run out of other peoples money”
    no longer apt lies.Why/how is this happening?
    I comprehend the prophet ability,but cannot grasp
    the legality of this immense ignorance.And now,
    Ukraine needs $1 trillion more?Don’t they or we
    ever run out of ink?There exists a ‘proverbial critical’
    mass,right?What comes after quadrillion?
    Is it sex trillion or zillion?How long,how long
    must we sing this song?Prai$e B…

    • Agree: Dr. X
    • Replies: @SFG
    @goldgettin

    We have the global reserve currency. That covers a lot of sins.

    Eventually everyone will decide they’d rather hold yuan/renminbi.

  5. “In the two years since nationwide social justice protests followed the murder of George Floyd”

    In that same year there were more unarmed white men shot by police than than black men.

    NAME ONE OF THEM.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @interesting


    In that same year there were more unarmed white men shot by police than than black men.

    NAME ONE OF THEM.
     
    James Huber:

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/24/bodycam-video-captures-trooper-fatally-shooting-driver-in-buffalo-after-chase/
  6. reparations proposals that will require vast financial resources from the state.

    From “the state” did you say? Oh, good idea — they have lots of money.

    The panel is now considering how reparations should be distributed — some favor tuition and housing grants while others want direct cash payments.

    Why not let’s ask black people which they prefer? J/K

    They already have free tuition and housing anyway.

    it would then be up to the Legislature to act upon the recommendations and determine how to fund them.

    Oh! I know, I know! Let’s impoverish millions of white people who had nothing to do with any of it in the first place, real or imagined.

    PS: Yes, he’s running for president.

    • Replies: @fish
    @HammerJack

    PS: Yes, he’s running for president.


    If that’s the case he really hasn’t thought this through.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  7. Californians eligible for reparations would be descendants of enslaved African Americans or of a “free Black person living in the United States prior to the end of the 19th century.” Nearly 6.5 percent of California residents, roughly 2.5 million, identify as Black or African American.

    The total number of black folks in the state is irrelevant. How many blacks are direct descendants of those enslaved is the ONLY meaningful number.

    2 things will happen. Blacks who didn’t get the cash will be resentful of those who did AND in the end, no matter what the amount is, the outcome will still yield unfair results and then the argument will be that the amount wasn’t enough. At the very MOST the amount should be $164K per HOUSEHOLD.

    • Replies: @Hannah Katz
    @interesting

    So would this be the end of it and put an end to all the whining? Why of course not. The more they are given, the more they will demand, over and over and over again.

    If the payments are in cash, I would recommend buying stock in Schlitz Malt Liquor's parent.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @interesting


    How many blacks are direct descendants of those enslaved is the ONLY meaningful number.
     
    NO. How many blacks have been held in slavery is the ONLY meaningful number. The good thing is, the Peak Stupidity Reparations Plan was laid out nicely over 3 years back, just waiting for the political will.

    From the proposal:

    Our plan, and yes, it's a generous one, is ONE MILLION DOLLARS of reimbursement to every living American who has been a slave. That money will be collected from all living Americans who have owned black slaves, with an option for a payment plan with monthly reparations coupons. Not every former slave owner can come up with the money required by next April 15 (the cruelest day). Of course, reparations contributions will be pro-rated based on years of slaveholding practices, while reparations payouts will be pro-rated by years of jumping-down-turning-around-picking-bales-of-cotton.
     
    Really, man, lot of people of lots of races/ethnicities have ancestors who were held in slavery. Do you see anyone else but black people whining about it like little pussies?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @interesting

    , @American Citizen
    @interesting

    Fuck it. I'm self identifying as black, moving to CA and collecting my quarter mil.

  8. Do any of you remember how we’d stop and help anyone by the side of the road who appeared to need it? Those days are gone. Fortunately with cell phones there’s less need, I guess.

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/woman-2-men-accused-in-northern-virginia-cash-for-gold-scheme/3223434/

    These people are gypsies, right? Makes Us Stronger!

    • Thanks: Mike Tre, Polistra
    • Replies: @goterbowip
    @HammerJack

    The White girl in Alabama was spared the tragedy of marrying a Hindu, and we Americans were spared the affront of having his offspring among us. That's not nice, but that is my immediate reaction.

    Replies: @CCG

    , @J.Ross
    @HammerJack

    Australians stopped doing that years ago because of the reliability of aboriginal robbery schemes.

    , @AnotherDad
    @HammerJack

    Civilization requires normal productive people to defend against invaders and parasites. Minoritarianism is--purposefully--an attack upon, an attempt to weaken natural parasite defenses.

    Parasites need to be either killed, or expelled from the body.

    These gypsy parasites will--hopefully--go to prison for a bit ... but then be back among us, parasiting away. What should be done is offer them a choice of execution or expulsion. If no one is willing to take them--likely--give them some fishing line and an axe and pack them off to some Aleutian Island. But their days of preying upon Americans--over.

    Same with the likes of George Floyd. Saint George should never have been out dealing drugs, passing counterfeit 20s and ODing on our streets. That career POS of should have been executed or sent on his fishing trip after pulling his home invasion stunt 15 years earlier. The big crime involving Floyd is that he was still dirtying up American streets in 2020.

    Americans (and Euros) have to overthrow this minoritarian cancer and aggressively attack and expel the accumulation of parasites or we aren't going to have any civilization to defend.

    , @Kim
    @HammerJack

    Paulus says that in memory of him she is going to look after their fur children

  9. “In the two years since nationwide social justice protests followed the murder of George Floyd, California has undertaken the nation’s most sweeping effort yet to explore some concrete restitution to Black citizens to address the enduring economic effects of slavery and racism.”

    This method is what I call the landfill of lies. Lies, on top of lies, on top of lies. You open with established lies, in order to support the new lies later in the body of the text.

    black supremacist fake news reporter Kurtis Lee opens his “thing” with two whoppers: he calls nationwide rioting, looting, and arson “social justice protests”; and he speaks of “the murder of George Floyd.”

    Time was, msm operatives would actually try and sound like reporters, and so I would call their “things” reportorials. But Kurtis Lee’s (remember that name!) “thing” is simply an editorial. Lee is an unelected, political officer. I first noticed that function in grad school (circa 1988), when I tried taking a Ph.D. seminar on Jürgen Habermas with a black marxist philosophy professor named Frank Kirkland.

    This is the boilerplate of the day. Steve has dealt with numerous other such cases. He must always note that the “things” come from the “news” section, or readers would assume they were op-eds. One case that comes to mind, also from the times last year, but by a much more talented White writer, Michael Corkery, was about “black capitalism” in Rochester, NY. The times operative spoke of “racism” as having caused the failure of black capitalism, but there never was any black capitalism. Some black supremacist hustlers extorted hundreds of millions of dollars out of grand old White businesses like Kodak and Xerox, which helped destroy the White businesses.

    And yet, although Michael Corkery is much more talented than Kurtis Lee, Corkery told the same establishing lies:

    “In the wake of nationwide protests, corporate America has pledged to fight racism and support Black Americans….”

    “in the wake of George Floyd’s murder…”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/rochester-ny-had-its-first-racial-reckoning-50-years-ago-it-didnt-help/

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Nicholas Stix

    Some black supremacist hustlers extorted hundreds of millions of dollars out of grand old White businesses like Kodak and Xerox, which helped destroy the White businesses.

    Neither company has been destroyed, though the Kodak workforce is a small fraction of what it was 50 years ago.

    Saul Alinsky did hatch a scheme to wangle money out of leading enterprises in Rochester, but that was > 30 years before Kodak began circling the drain in 2003. Kodak had problems in the 1980s parallel to those of other manufacturing firms. Kodak had an advantage over GM and other manufacturing firms in that the company was for decades satisfactorily governed and established a bonus system which neutralized union organizing efforts. Even with that advantage, their executives weren't impressive in their responses. The workforce declined by 2/3 over the period running from 1979 to 2003. On top of that they were slow to adapt to the advent of digital photography, which proved crippling.

    Having lived 30 years there and keeping a lazy eye on events there, I'd have to say the leadership class in Rochester is remarkably clumsy and uncreative outside of the discrete realms where they have prospered individually. Remarkable number of wheel-spinning 'initiatives' have come and gone over many decades to address obvious bed sores. Gets to feel like Groundhog Day . Two things that would help would be a program to address street crime and a program to address school disorder. The distribution of tasks and funding between state and local government in New York puts a straightjacket on county government and the mix of guild ideology, racial chauvinism, and judicial interference hobbles any effort to improve the schools. And, of course, the local pols are hardly interested in much but management of decline generally. The dispositions of the media buttress them in this regard.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @International Jew

  10. … it would then be up to the Legislature to act upon the recommendations and determine how to fund them.

    An extra penny in sales tax.. no? Borrow it from China? Sell the rest of the State to China?

    That’s just one of 5 areas too, that $569 Billion. They are really building black people’s hopes up high.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Achmed E. Newman

    They are building a lot more people's hopes up besides black people.

    With over $200,000 per person being mentioned for just one of five areas, every nonwhite person in the state will want their share. The old time Hispanics and of course all the immigrants will never let blacks tied to American slavery days get amount of money or even half of that without them getting the same amount too.

    They never should have mentioned these figures. They doomed themselves to failure at the start. Jealousy and envy will take over and probably stop anything much from happening.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  11. Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn’t go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don’t need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don’t get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Larry, San Francisco

    Nah. You missed the part in option 3 where the Courts strike down the peoples' initiative and its back to option 2.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Larry, San Francisco


    Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system.
     
    One could only hope. It is at that time that the California Independence initiative should be embraced by the rest of the states.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Larry, San Francisco


    Any other outcome you can think of?
     
    Variant of outcome #1.

    Because "[i]ncapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less" a permanent state reparations apparatus will be set up that will make regular annual reparation payments. Otherwise, well, a rolling cycle of looting and riots.
    , @Bill Jones
    @Larry, San Francisco

    As the money ebbs and flows, think of all the Presbyterian middle-men who'll be enriched.

    , @Currahee
    @Larry, San Francisco

    Yes, #3 good and hard.

    , @Muggles
    @Larry, San Francisco

    Since "systemic racist America" is not ever going away, regardless of "reparation" payments, we need to adopt the Abe Lincoln alternative.

    He proposed, and endorsed, along with others, the plan to offer to pay blacks in America free passage back to Africa. They even set up Liberia for that.

    So, upon permanent renunciation of American citizenship, free one time passage to Africa or any other nation willing to take them on, permanently.

    A one-time reparation payment will quickly be spent (or pledged to pay off loans taken in anticpation of those) and there is the difficulty of determining whose ancestors were or weren't slaves.

    But the free passage "home" idea solves these details.

    If a family parent takes the deal, the entire family has to go as well. No sense in them suffering in evil America.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @Enemy of Earth
    @Larry, San Francisco

    What are the odds, if Option 2 comes to pass, the added weight of all those scrambling to California to collect handouts causes the state to break off and slide into the ocean?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Larry, San Francisco

    4. Somewhere around the time that the $2½ Trillion* [non-]"reparations" legislation finally becomes law and the by-then President Newsome signals the Fed to "print it!", the US Dollar mysteriously begins its ascent up the curve of hyperinflation.

    Initially, this pleases the Constituencies Who Matter: blacks get $million checks, the Progs get to say they "did reparations", Goldman Sachs et al. get to facilitate the biggest wealth transfer in history, ... but then the blacks notice that $1¼ million doesn't actually buy much anymore, the Progs notice the blacks are getting restless, and Goldman et al. notice their annual bonuses could use topping up, so ... Reparations Round 2—Annual Subscription Edition is mooted.

    Foreign economies that still produce value and hereditary fortunes notice that anything denominated in US Dollars is on a one-way trip to Devaluland, and the race is on: can the Fed print dollars faster than actual assets exit dollar valuation? Well, it doesn't matter. All roads lead to currency collapse.

    Food, fuel, gold, and lead become the common currency. The US polity collapses under the weight of its own falsehood. Millions die. Globally and domestically new political possibilities finally arise. Interesting Times ensue.

    ---------

    *"The task force has identified five areas ... when it comes to [one area], the task force estimates compensation of around $569 billion" = 5 × $½ trillion = $2½ trillion.

  12. That median wealth statistic is a bunch of bullshit. Not that the blacks ain’t poor. But so are the whites. They just factor in all the multi-billionaires and skew it but good. Just goes to show the truth value of statistics.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @obwandiyag

    I don’t think that’s the way median works. It isn’t an average.

    Regardless, it is bs. And this proposal would instantly give them $50k more in wealth than the supposed median white family. Punitive damages.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @obwandiyag

    Median means 50 percent level. Half are above the number, half are below it. Also, lots of people of people are wealthy, but they don't have very much cash. Lots of retirees with houses worth more than they paid, but only Social Security checks coming in for income.

    , @Arclight
    @obwandiyag

    If I remember correctly, the median black household is a single person aged around 30 and the median white household is a married couple in their mid-40s. So this median wealth figure that gets thrown around isn't an apples to apples comparison by any means. When you factor in black workforce participation, typical employment, housing location, consumer spending habits as well, it's not mystery as to why blacks have substantially lower net worth.

    Anyway, I don't know CA politics except at a distance, but is a not-very black state legislature really going to vote to send massive amounts of money to a tiny minority of their population? I have a hard time seeing the constituencies of all those Latino and Asian members being supportive of that and surely the politicians know it as well.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @bomag, @Pixo

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @obwandiyag

    Weren't you the guy giving Steve shit for accidentally using 'whom' incorrectly?

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)

  13. Kanye and Fuentes need to get back on track. Talk about the Jewish Lobby and Jewish media machine and the cabal of mostly Jewish individuals (Project for the New American Century) who lobbied for the Iraq War.

  14. If they really do this in california, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.

    It just might give republicans a chance at a comeback… nah, goper leaders don’t want to make a comeback. They want to kill the party and its White base.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Nicholas Stix


    If they really do this in California, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.
     
    Millions may return from Georgia, Florida, and other states.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @JR Ewing

    , @kaganovitch
    @Nicholas Stix

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    A huge Black influx together with a huge White outflux. If only there were historical precedent for such an occurrence we might be able to predict the likely outcome.

    , @Abe
    @Nicholas Stix


    If they really do this in california, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.

     

    At which point President Weekend at Bernie’s assumes California’s insolvency on behalf of all White People by federalizing it through executive order. Cuckservatives crow victory as courts freeze this for a whole 6 months until SCOTUS- majority opinion courtesy of monsewer Justice Roberts- says “Nah, it’ll be fine.”
  15. @Nicholas Stix
    If they really do this in california, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.

    It just might give republicans a chance at a comeback... nah, goper leaders don't want to make a comeback. They want to kill the party and its White base.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @Abe

    If they really do this in California, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.

    Millions may return from Georgia, Florida, and other states.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    To say nothing of all the people who will swamp California for free abortions and "gender affirming" medical procedures.

    , @JR Ewing
    @Reg Cæsar

    Kind of ironic that in The Turner Diaries, California is designated as the new white homeland and they forcibly expel the blacks over a matter of weeks.

    But that irony has been ironic for quite some time now.

  16. @Reg Cæsar
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RczW1gIRBjY

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @notbe mk 2

    I’ll have to watch that sometime. That looks better than most movies I’ve seen in the last 20 years.

  17. @Reg Cæsar
    @Nicholas Stix


    If they really do this in California, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.
     
    Millions may return from Georgia, Florida, and other states.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @JR Ewing

    To say nothing of all the people who will swamp California for free abortions and “gender affirming” medical procedures.

  18. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... it would then be up to the Legislature to act upon the recommendations and determine how to fund them.
     
    An extra penny in sales tax.. no? Borrow it from China? Sell the rest of the State to China?

    That's just one of 5 areas too, that $569 Billion. They are really building black people's hopes up high.

    Replies: @notsaying

    They are building a lot more people’s hopes up besides black people.

    With over $200,000 per person being mentioned for just one of five areas, every nonwhite person in the state will want their share. The old time Hispanics and of course all the immigrants will never let blacks tied to American slavery days get amount of money or even half of that without them getting the same amount too.

    They never should have mentioned these figures. They doomed themselves to failure at the start. Jealousy and envy will take over and probably stop anything much from happening.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @notsaying

    Agreed, completely, NS.

    Let me add here, since I haven't read a comment yet to this effect: This is stupid money! Just to keep the math really simple, even without all the rest you mention who would want in on this "free" money, 6.5% of the population - the black people - is ~ 1 in 15. So, 14 California residents would be "repairing"(?) each sorry-assed DOS.

    That 223 large is just for the one thing - supposed theft of housing wealth. That doesn't even seem like it'd be the largest of these bogus claims, but take it alone. That's $16,000 from each average from other Californian. What kinds of taxes could possibly make that up in any reasonable time frame? I'll leave that to the reader, or Steve Sailer, since he's one of them. Maybe you'd better not get a new vehicle, Steve, as they may jack up the property tax sky high.

    This is what it's really all about, no different from a gang of them hanging around your car that done stopped stone cold in the street:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0SwYK0vco


    This isn't that strange, indeed.

    Replies: @notsaying

  19. I want to know how they will measure who qualifies to get the money? Using DNA testing I assume is not allowed because of “everything is a social construct”, but is America ready for the comb test?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @neutral


    I want to know how they will measure who qualifies to get the money?
     
    Almost a given that the selection procedure will be so unfair that the consuming national dialog will soon be how to compensate the victims of an unfair reparations attempt.
  20. Oh well, since Steve isn’t publishing any of my brilliant remarks tonight I might as well have fun.

    The Dems with their state apparatus are still trying to bring down Rep. Matt Goetz. Here’s a busy lad:

    Orlando, Florida CNN — Convicted fraudster Joel Greenberg, who cooperated extensively with the Justice Department’s sex-trafficking probe into GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz, was sentenced Thursday to 11 years in prison by a federal judge in Florida.

    Greenberg, a former Seminole County tax collector, previously pleaded guilty to underage sex trafficking, wire fraud, stalking, identity theft, producing fake ID cards, and conspiring to defraud the US government. He has been in jail since early 2021 and will get some credit for time served.

    “I have never seen a defendant who has committed so many different types of crimes in such a relatively short period,” said district Judge Gregory Presnell, who has been on the federal bench for decades and has sentenced more than 1,000 defendants.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/joel-greenberg-sentencing/index.html

    [MORE]

    Greenberg’s “brazen” crime spree

    After initially facing 33 counts, Greenberg pleaded guilty in May 2021 to six federal crimes.

    The stalking charge was related to a hoax that Greenberg perpetuated against a teacher who ran against him in 2020, when he was running for re-election as Seminole County tax collector.

    As part of his plea, Greenberg admitted sending letters to the teacher’s school, falsely accusing them of sexual misconduct with a student. He also tried to make the teacher look racist by making fake social media accounts under their name and posting inflammatory material.

    The judge said this was “perhaps the most egregious” of Greenberg’s crimes and said it was “downright evil” to frame the teacher of sexual misconduct. Greenberg apologized to the teacher, Brian Beute, at Thursday’s hearing, and Beute told reporters later that he accepts the apology.

    Greenberg also successfully scammed the Small Business Administration of $430,000 in Covid-19 relief funds by bribing a federal official, according to court filings.

    The wire fraud charge stemmed from Greenberg misusing hundreds of thousands of Florida taxpayer dollars to make personal cryptocurrency investments. He used government equipment to make fake ID cards, and abused his access to a DMV database on his first day in office, according to court filings.

    • Replies: @Rocko
    @HammerJack

    Greenberg huh? Seriously, it looks like he's about to do a hand rub. The memes write themselves

  21. I’ve done these numbers before. Once you net out 100 years of bicycle thefts, blacks actually owe white people 3 trillion dollars.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Batman

    And then there's the destruction of once-magnificent American cities, one after another. But why quibble.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @BosTex
    @Batman

    What do they owe us for Detroit, Saint Louis, Baltimore, Camden, Newark, Philly, The Bronx…?

    Factor that into your $223k, California!

  22. So, my history textbooks lied? California was a slave, not free state?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Redneck Farmer

    And a Jim Crow state too.

  23. @Redneck Farmer
    So, my history textbooks lied? California was a slave, not free state?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    And a Jim Crow state too.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
  24. Great argument for a country that’s billions in debt and falling apart, reparations.

    How about reparations from the 500 new billionaires for the 40 years of cheap labor they got sending work out? That happened on our time, not great grandpa’s time.

    Separation will be reparation enough. The next depression will bring it.

    • Replies: @Philbert Desanex
    @Franz

    I suggest any reparations come out of the pockets of the DNC and Democrat politicians who have cynically used and abused blacks for the past 60 years as a voting bloc, primarily for the Dem's own power and personal enrichment. All of the libelous talk about CRT and systemic racism and white supremacy are deflections from the disastrous policies pushed by Dems. It would be much more accurate to suggest that the social pathologies and poverty observed in US inner cities over the past several decades are the direct result of Dem policy subsidizing and incentivizing destructive actions in private lives. It's almost like it was part of some grand plan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Renard
    @Franz


    Great argument for a country that’s billions in debt
     
    Yes, especially if by billions you mean tens of trillions.
  25. @Batman
    I've done these numbers before. Once you net out 100 years of bicycle thefts, blacks actually owe white people 3 trillion dollars.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @BosTex

    And then there’s the destruction of once-magnificent American cities, one after another. But why quibble.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    The cities haven't been destroyed. The cities expanded (as they had been doing) and the expansion was organized under suburban municipal government. The leadership class allowed wide swaths of the core city to rot. Bratton and Giuliani showed how you could reclaim the core city. Most local officials weren't interested.

  26. Why was Steve Sailer absent from Taki’s Magazine this week?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Tono-Bungay

    I took the week off.

    I generally write about 48 or 49 columns per year.

    Replies: @Tono-Bungay

  27. (Grauniad; Diversity Hires)

    California
    Failure of officials to follow policy caused California gun owners’ data leak

    California’s department of justice mistakenly posted the names, addresses and birthdays of nearly 200,000 gun owners on the internet because officials didn’t follow policies or understand how to operate their website, according to an investigation released Wednesday.

    [MORE]

    Officials at the California department of justice did not know about the breach until someone sent attorney general Rob Bonta a private message on Twitter that included screenshots of the personal information that was available to download from the state’s website, the investigation said.

    State officials at first thought the report was a hoax. Two unnamed employees – identified only as “Data Analyst 1” and “Research Center Director” – investigated and mistakenly assured everyone that no personal information was publicly available.

    Meanwhile, the website crashed because so many people were trying to download the data…

    Investigators found that no one – neither the employee who compiled the data nor the officials that supervised the employee – knew the proper security settings to prevent the data from being available for public download.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/01/california-justice-department-gun-owner-data-leak-error

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @HammerJack

    It is truly amazing that these "innocent mistakes" always go only one way.

    , @Alfa158
    @HammerJack

    I suspect the data would have to be posted to a location on the web page that includes a link to the file. This was quite likely a deliberate doxing of gun owners by anti-gun-rights bureaucrats.
    A few years ago a newspaper editor in a city on the East Coast posted on the paper’s website the names and addresses of everyone in the town with a registered gun. Gun-rights activists posted on multiple sites the editor’s home address. You can imagine the squealing that ensued.

  28. “They said Californy is the place you oughta be so they loaded up the BMW and they moved to Beverly”.

    • LOL: Hibernian, bomag
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @tyrone

    Tint bit off topic:

    I saw a youngish kind of attractive black lady pull into a store parking lot yesterday in a BMW 2 Series coupe. That's a low end BMW but still $40k-$50k.

    Kind of an impractical car, but hey it's pretty and she looks young.

    Then she got out and pulled the drivers seat forward and fished two young boys (kindergarten age maybe?) out of the back seat. By the way she was interacting with them, it was pretty clear that those were her kids. Seemed mighty inconvenient to have to do that every time you got out of the car.

    I immediately started trying to figure out why.

    Who owns the car? Did a man buy that car for her or is it financed? Does she value the image of the car better than her convenience? Couldn't she get a bigger BMW? Is it really practical to haul a couple of kids around in a coupe? What happens when the kids get bigger and no longer fit in a tiny back seat like that?

    I just thought it was really strange - most people I know go buy the SUV as soon as they know there's a baby on the way, much less two.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @tyrone

    And don't forget, the lyrics refer to "black gold."

  29. Dusting off my green eyeshade here, I come up with other numbers.
    Mean income per capita for African Americans (2018 figure per the US Census) is $23,303.
    GDP per capita in Ghana (2022 est. per Wikipedia) is $2,374. The difference — $20,929 — reflects the annual benefit blacks get from having been brought here.

    Now then. Let’s grant the blacks their $223,000 lump sum to cover the sins of slavery and Jim Crow and whatever else. But thereafter charge them $20,929 annually.

    The state legislature can hammer out the details of course. Matters like charging the USA-Ghana differential retrospectively as well as prospectively…

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @International Jew

    In the interest of full African worldwide solidarity, they should also be declared dual citizens of California and Ghana, in which case they will be liable for the maximum 12.3% California State Income Tax and the flat 25% Ghanian Non-Resident Income Tax. Ghana may wish to levy late payment penalties, dating back to the reparations recipient ancestor's date of sale. However, California consumer protection laws will apply, so within 30 days of receiving a reparations payment, any black person may be returned to Ghana in the original packaging with no restocking charge.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew

    Good point!

    (I'm out of reaction buttons.)

  30. @HammerJack
    Do any of you remember how we'd stop and help anyone by the side of the road who appeared to need it? Those days are gone. Fortunately with cell phones there's less need, I guess.

    https://i.ibb.co/8NCLFff/fake-gold-suspects.jpg

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/woman-2-men-accused-in-northern-virginia-cash-for-gold-scheme/3223434/

    These people are gypsies, right? Makes Us Stronger!


    The people who did this weren't gypsies

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/20/alabama-adam-simjee-talladega-national-forest-police

    Replies: @goterbowip, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Kim

    The White girl in Alabama was spared the tragedy of marrying a Hindu, and we Americans were spared the affront of having his offspring among us. That’s not nice, but that is my immediate reaction.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @CCG
    @goterbowip

    Adam Simjee was Muslim, not Hindu. His cousin is one Ali Irshad.
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/adam-simjee-slain-hero
    http://www.nicholsonstudentmedia.com/life/adam-simjee-ucf-student-leaves-a-light/article_fe60c2ac-28c4-11ed-b134-972067c91d6e.html

    Replies: @Renard

  31. An awful lot of crap became feasible with quantitative easing. Crypto, Tech stocks, absurd house prices, fracking, trillion dollar deficits at the peak of the economic cycle and reparations for slavery. From ’08 to ’15 this benefited mainly the financial elite . When the wider public copped on politics throughout the West went haywire. A useful way of thinking about slavery reparations is “this is our QE”.

    They’ve missed the party. They’ll never agree to anything affordable and anything they want is unrealistic. With an aged society, a monetary decade like the 2010s will never happen again.*

    *Don’t talk to me about Japan. Japan is unique, by unique I mean superior.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  32. @obwandiyag
    That median wealth statistic is a bunch of bullshit. Not that the blacks ain't poor. But so are the whites. They just factor in all the multi-billionaires and skew it but good. Just goes to show the truth value of statistics.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Redneck farmer, @Arclight, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I don’t think that’s the way median works. It isn’t an average.

    Regardless, it is bs. And this proposal would instantly give them $50k more in wealth than the supposed median white family. Punitive damages.

  33. Eugene Volokh in the WSJ:

    Opinion | Commentary

    New York State Wants to Conscript Me to Violate the Constitution
    A new law requires me to post a policy for dealing with ‘hate speech’ in comments on my blog.
    By Eugene Volokh

    New York politicians are slapping a badge on my chest. A law going into effect Saturday requires social-media networks, including any site that allows comments, to publish a plan for responding to alleged hate speech by users.

    The law blog I run fits the bill, so the law will mandate that I post publicly my policy for responding to comments that “vilify, humiliate, or incite violence against a group” based on “race, color, religion, ethnicity, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression.”

    [MORE]

    I don’t want to moderate such content and I don’t endorse the state’s definition of hate speech. I do sometimes delete comments, but I do it based on my own editorial judgment, not state command. Still, I’m being conscripted. By obligating me to do the state’s bidding with regard to viewpoints that New York condemns, the law violates the First Amendment.

    The Supreme Court has carved out several narrow categories of unprotected speech, but hate speech isn’t one of them. Speech is protected except in the case of fighting words, true threats, defamation or incitement, and these exceptions are applied without regard to whether the speech in question is hateful. The court has wisely recognized that each of us has a different idea of what constitutes good or bad speech—and we can’t trust the government to decide which viewpoints are too hateful to merit legal protection.
    But that’s not stopping New York…

    https://archive.ph/dWNdc

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-state-wants-to-conscript-me-to-violate-the-constitution-first-amendment-mandate-free-speech-law-blog-hate-viewpoints-11669925813

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @HammerJack


    Does speech by Richard Dawkins comparing George W. Bush’s faith to that of Osama bin Laden’s vilify conservative Christians?
     
    No.

    Does speech condemning trans athletes who join women’s sports teams vilify or humiliate based on gender identity?
     
    Yes.

    Do harsh criticisms of Israelis
     
    No.

    or Palestinians
     
    Yes. Errr, no. Maybe? Depends who says it.

    vilify those groups?

    Do some feminist comments criticizing patriarchy humiliate men?
     

    No.

    Can your comment on any of the blogs, news sites or social-media platforms swept up in New York’s law be defined as hateful conduct?
     
    Yes. That's the point.

    Nobody knows.
     
    Oh FFS, Eugene. You do too know. Quit playing dumb.
    , @Hibernian
    @HammerJack

    Violating the First Amendment and the Dormant Interstate Commerce Clause.

  34. @Tono-Bungay
    Why was Steve Sailer absent from Taki's Magazine this week?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I took the week off.

    I generally write about 48 or 49 columns per year.

    • Replies: @Tono-Bungay
    @Steve Sailer

    What's the Sailerian equivalent of methodone?

  35. I identified as Black on the 2020 Census. I’m hoping I can get some reparations somewhere down the line.

    If California pays out half a trillion dollars to blacks, the federal government should reduce funding to California by that amount in order to prevent pushing the cost off onto American taxpayers generally.

  36. @HammerJack
    Do any of you remember how we'd stop and help anyone by the side of the road who appeared to need it? Those days are gone. Fortunately with cell phones there's less need, I guess.

    https://i.ibb.co/8NCLFff/fake-gold-suspects.jpg

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/woman-2-men-accused-in-northern-virginia-cash-for-gold-scheme/3223434/

    These people are gypsies, right? Makes Us Stronger!


    The people who did this weren't gypsies

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/20/alabama-adam-simjee-talladega-national-forest-police

    Replies: @goterbowip, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Kim

    Australians stopped doing that years ago because of the reliability of aboriginal robbery schemes.

  37. There are estimated to be over 400 million guns in the United States between police, the military, and American civilians. Over 393 Million (Over 98%) of those guns are in civilian hands, the equivalent of 120 firearms per 100 citizens. The average gun owning American has 5 firearms, while nearly 22% of gun owners only have a single firearm.

    This is of course exactly what happens when you drive out of polite society the concept that blacks may have some responsibility for why their neighborhood home prices don’t appreciate as much as other races’ neighborhoods.

    The Taliban, like the IRA, defeated the then most armed and motivated nations ever to have existed on earth.

    This, is what happens, when you’ve defeated the enemy’s spirit.

    No matter how many guns each American buys it will never amount to the draining of its spirit.

    To defeat the enemy’s spirit to fight is the greatest weapon of all. And it’s all psychological, transmitted via mediums owned by diametrically opposed spiritual enemies. As a great Irishman once said: The Medium is the Message.

    It’s a passive subjugation that has completely pacified the entire western world into a delirium of apathy. Sustained by rap-muzac, only-fans and mainstream free-to-air news stations with breakfast TV.

  38. @obwandiyag
    That median wealth statistic is a bunch of bullshit. Not that the blacks ain't poor. But so are the whites. They just factor in all the multi-billionaires and skew it but good. Just goes to show the truth value of statistics.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Redneck farmer, @Arclight, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Median means 50 percent level. Half are above the number, half are below it. Also, lots of people of people are wealthy, but they don’t have very much cash. Lots of retirees with houses worth more than they paid, but only Social Security checks coming in for income.

  39. @Nicholas Stix
    If they really do this in california, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.

    It just might give republicans a chance at a comeback... nah, goper leaders don't want to make a comeback. They want to kill the party and its White base.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @Abe

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    A huge Black influx together with a huge White outflux. If only there were historical precedent for such an occurrence we might be able to predict the likely outcome.

    • LOL: cool daddy jimbo
  40. @goldgettin
    The old adage states that
    "sooner or later,you run out of other peoples money"
    no longer apt lies.Why/how is this happening?
    I comprehend the prophet ability,but cannot grasp
    the legality of this immense ignorance.And now,
    Ukraine needs $1 trillion more?Don't they or we
    ever run out of ink?There exists a 'proverbial critical'
    mass,right?What comes after quadrillion?
    Is it sex trillion or zillion?How long,how long
    must we sing this song?Prai$e B...

    Replies: @SFG

    We have the global reserve currency. That covers a lot of sins.

    Eventually everyone will decide they’d rather hold yuan/renminbi.

  41. @Reg Cæsar
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RczW1gIRBjY

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @notbe mk 2

    Barbershop is a beautiful movie-well worth watching

  42. The problem is since no serious structural changes occur in terms of black relationships to education and capital, reparations will be a disaster since for whites the implication is “okay, so we’re all square now” but just giving out lump sums of life-changing but by no means sustaining fortunes won’t change things enough.

    But the ability to argue this point has lost all moral standing in large parts of the US so nobody will make it in those places and if an idea has no opposition of course it will eventually be implemented.

    But it’s basically taking a chance on waking up a serious emergence of explicit white interest politics and or souring whites on further resource diversions to blacks by the state.

    This is why I think just a cash lump sum won’t be adopted if people are thinking with their heads but if their emotional attitude is “Yeah this won’t be good long-term but white racists also don’t want us to give this money so let’s just go” it could potentially be passed but then I’m sure get bogged down legally.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Altai

    Good points.

    We're also in an era of social engineering where many believe the Black problem* can be solved with enough money and other inputs. There are fundamentals against such, but I guess everything needs to be tried.

    *not sure it's even a problem; looks more like Blacks being Blacks; they are plenty happy with the current state of things

  43. Anon[689] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course Sacramento will impose a special tax on descendants of those who benefited from slavery – the slave traders, financiers of the slave trade, and the trading houses that shipped slaves

    For example Ursula von Der Leyen is descendant of the biggest slave traders in colonial America. Her fortune is derived from that trade.

    /s

  44. Reparations implies a permanent and finalized cure to a wrong. Like an apology accepted, amends honestly made, or a sentence served, reparations are supposed to mean, Okay, we’ve righted the wrong, we are now officially totally finished with this order of business. Now we all move on as if it had never happened, and the recipients of the reparation, by the act of accepting it, forfeit any future right to speak of it ever again. That is supposed to be the deal, and the purpose of the deal.

    But we all know that isn’t going to be true. What happens when the guaranteed following generation of black f!ck-ups who DIDN’T get dey checks says, Hey! I’m still poor and stupid and criminal and living in squalor! Where’s MY reparations?

    What are we going to tell them that they’d accept? Nothing, of course. So instead of reparations, let’s call it what we all know it will turn out to be: never-ending Danegeld.

    The only realistic reparation to blacks as a people is to give them their own autonomous territory, fund it, develop it, and then permanently seal it off with a mile-high electric fence with a big note that says, BEST WISHES, AND NOW GOOD-BYE. DON’T CALL, DON’T WRITE, AND DON’T EVER ASK US FOR ANYTHING ELSE, EVER AGAIN.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, Renard
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    No reparations without deportations.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  45. @interesting
    Californians eligible for reparations would be descendants of enslaved African Americans or of a “free Black person living in the United States prior to the end of the 19th century.” Nearly 6.5 percent of California residents, roughly 2.5 million, identify as Black or African American.


    The total number of black folks in the state is irrelevant. How many blacks are direct descendants of those enslaved is the ONLY meaningful number.

    2 things will happen. Blacks who didn't get the cash will be resentful of those who did AND in the end, no matter what the amount is, the outcome will still yield unfair results and then the argument will be that the amount wasn't enough. At the very MOST the amount should be $164K per HOUSEHOLD.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Achmed E. Newman, @American Citizen

    So would this be the end of it and put an end to all the whining? Why of course not. The more they are given, the more they will demand, over and over and over again.

    If the payments are in cash, I would recommend buying stock in Schlitz Malt Liquor’s parent.

  46. A lot of the more sane and sensible people have been leaving Democrat run states and moving to Republican ones. That makes it easier for the lunatic left to get elected in the states these people fled from. In the future, these blue states will be clamoring for handouts from the federal government as their leftist governments pursue policies that cause economic destruction. That already started to happen during the Covid lockdowns. Blue states had harsher lockdowns which threw more people out of work. Some federal assistance was more based on unemployment levels than state population levels so there were wealth transfers from red states to blue states.

  47. They could easily pay reputations if they stopped subsidizing so-called renewable energy and electric cars and allowed fracking and offshore drilling to proceed. California has more oil and gas reserves than Texas, leaving billions of dollars under the ground as they waste billions on electric cars and solar panels which will soon be toxic waste.

  48. @Reg Cæsar
    @Nicholas Stix


    If they really do this in California, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.
     
    Millions may return from Georgia, Florida, and other states.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @JR Ewing

    Kind of ironic that in The Turner Diaries, California is designated as the new white homeland and they forcibly expel the blacks over a matter of weeks.

    But that irony has been ironic for quite some time now.

  49. The Federal reserve balance sheet grew from a few billion dollars in short term bonds in 2005 to the current $8,900,000,000 Bond portfolio. The federal government could distribute the $8 trillion bond portfolio to all 40 million African Americans which would be about $200,000 to every Black person in America. The fed has already purchased these bonds to bail-out the boomers and the banks. Where did the Federal reserve get the $8.9 Trillion to buy these bonds? they can create billion per day with the click of a mouse button on their computers. They have been using this power every month since the banks needed their bailouts back in 2008.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bst_recenttrends.htm

  50. @Larry, San Francisco
    Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn't go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don't need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don't get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @The Alarmist, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Bill Jones, @Currahee, @Muggles, @Enemy of Earth, @Almost Missouri

    Nah. You missed the part in option 3 where the Courts strike down the peoples’ initiative and its back to option 2.

  51. @obwandiyag
    That median wealth statistic is a bunch of bullshit. Not that the blacks ain't poor. But so are the whites. They just factor in all the multi-billionaires and skew it but good. Just goes to show the truth value of statistics.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Redneck farmer, @Arclight, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    If I remember correctly, the median black household is a single person aged around 30 and the median white household is a married couple in their mid-40s. So this median wealth figure that gets thrown around isn’t an apples to apples comparison by any means. When you factor in black workforce participation, typical employment, housing location, consumer spending habits as well, it’s not mystery as to why blacks have substantially lower net worth.

    Anyway, I don’t know CA politics except at a distance, but is a not-very black state legislature really going to vote to send massive amounts of money to a tiny minority of their population? I have a hard time seeing the constituencies of all those Latino and Asian members being supportive of that and surely the politicians know it as well.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Arclight


    I don’t know CA politics except at a distance, but is a not-very black state legislature really going to vote to send massive amounts of money to a tiny minority of their population? I have a hard time seeing the constituencies of all those Latino and Asian members being supportive of that and surely the politicians know it as well.
     
    People read the same news sites, watch the same TV shows and movies. That is, they get the same propaganda. Nothing would surprise me, except resistance.
    , @bomag
    @Arclight


    When you factor in black workforce participation, typical employment, housing location, consumer spending habits as well, it’s not mystery as to why blacks have substantially lower net worth.
     
    Yes. A chunk of it here is the decision to consume immediately vs. saving for the future.

    Could well argue that immediate consumption is the smarter move.

    And opting for an easier career path has a value of its own; as does opting for more leisure time.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @Pixo
    @Arclight

    A lot of California black legislators represent majority hispanic/asian districts. The blacks vote, the Hispanics and Asians who live in those districts sometimes aren’t citizens and don’t vote much even when they are eligible.

  52. @HammerJack
    Eugene Volokh in the WSJ:

    Opinion | Commentary

    New York State Wants to Conscript Me to Violate the Constitution
    A new law requires me to post a policy for dealing with ‘hate speech’ in comments on my blog.
    By Eugene Volokh

    New York politicians are slapping a badge on my chest. A law going into effect Saturday requires social-media networks, including any site that allows comments, to publish a plan for responding to alleged hate speech by users.

    The law blog I run fits the bill, so the law will mandate that I post publicly my policy for responding to comments that “vilify, humiliate, or incite violence against a group” based on “race, color, religion, ethnicity, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression.”

     


    I don’t want to moderate such content and I don’t endorse the state’s definition of hate speech. I do sometimes delete comments, but I do it based on my own editorial judgment, not state command. Still, I’m being conscripted. By obligating me to do the state’s bidding with regard to viewpoints that New York condemns, the law violates the First Amendment.

    The Supreme Court has carved out several narrow categories of unprotected speech, but hate speech isn’t one of them. Speech is protected except in the case of fighting words, true threats, defamation or incitement, and these exceptions are applied without regard to whether the speech in question is hateful. The court has wisely recognized that each of us has a different idea of what constitutes good or bad speech—and we can’t trust the government to decide which viewpoints are too hateful to merit legal protection.
    But that’s not stopping New York...


    https://archive.ph/dWNdc


     

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-state-wants-to-conscript-me-to-violate-the-constitution-first-amendment-mandate-free-speech-law-blog-hate-viewpoints-11669925813

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Hibernian

    Does speech by Richard Dawkins comparing George W. Bush’s faith to that of Osama bin Laden’s vilify conservative Christians?

    No.

    Does speech condemning trans athletes who join women’s sports teams vilify or humiliate based on gender identity?

    Yes.

    Do harsh criticisms of Israelis

    No.

    or Palestinians

    Yes. Errr, no. Maybe? Depends who says it.

    vilify those groups?

    Do some feminist comments criticizing patriarchy humiliate men?

    No.

    Can your comment on any of the blogs, news sites or social-media platforms swept up in New York’s law be defined as hateful conduct?

    Yes. That’s the point.

    Nobody knows.

    Oh FFS, Eugene. You do too know. Quit playing dumb.

  53. Slavery never existed in the state of California, which was admitted to the Union as a free state in 1850. Mexico had abolished slavery in 1829, so descendants of slaves living there when it was a Mexican province ought to take their demands to the Mexican government. (Incidentally far more US slaves were able to escape to Mexico on their own than were ever helped by yankees to flee to Canada.)

    Advocates ought to argue that only those never convicted of a crime might be “eligible” for some kind of stipend. This would certainly shrink the cost of the project. Moreover it would agree with George Washington’s 1790 statement on the duties as well as the rights of American citizens that, “those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the Community are equally entitled to the protection of civil Government.”

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Observator


    (Incidentally far more US slaves were able to escape to Mexico on their own than were ever helped by yankees to flee to Canada.)
     
    Question from the peanut gallery:

    How many US blacks actually "escaped to freedom" in Canada, or Mexico for that matter? One hears about this so much it is a trope, yet I've never heard from anyone anywhere that their blacks ancestors fled slavery in the US.

    By contrast, I've met several American Vietnam War draft dodgers who went to Canada, whom Wiki says numbered less than 30k, or about 0.015% of the US population at the time.

    Can one suspect that all the "Underground Railroad" talk is about 1% a few celebrated cases and 99% hype?
  54. @Larry, San Francisco
    Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn't go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don't need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don't get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @The Alarmist, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Bill Jones, @Currahee, @Muggles, @Enemy of Earth, @Almost Missouri

    Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system.

    One could only hope. It is at that time that the California Independence initiative should be embraced by the rest of the states.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @The Alarmist

    We've all said this before, but if we're going to trash one of our states, couldn't it be New Jersey, Delaware, Arkansas or Alabama? Or any of a couple dozen other states which really wouldn't be missed? Not one which had consummate natural beauty and really good weather too?

    Just move the objectionable people out, and California can be paradise again.

  55. @Larry, San Francisco
    Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn't go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don't need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don't get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @The Alarmist, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Bill Jones, @Currahee, @Muggles, @Enemy of Earth, @Almost Missouri

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    Variant of outcome #1.

    Because “[i]ncapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less” a permanent state reparations apparatus will be set up that will make regular annual reparation payments. Otherwise, well, a rolling cycle of looting and riots.

  56. @Arclight
    @obwandiyag

    If I remember correctly, the median black household is a single person aged around 30 and the median white household is a married couple in their mid-40s. So this median wealth figure that gets thrown around isn't an apples to apples comparison by any means. When you factor in black workforce participation, typical employment, housing location, consumer spending habits as well, it's not mystery as to why blacks have substantially lower net worth.

    Anyway, I don't know CA politics except at a distance, but is a not-very black state legislature really going to vote to send massive amounts of money to a tiny minority of their population? I have a hard time seeing the constituencies of all those Latino and Asian members being supportive of that and surely the politicians know it as well.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @bomag, @Pixo

    I don’t know CA politics except at a distance, but is a not-very black state legislature really going to vote to send massive amounts of money to a tiny minority of their population? I have a hard time seeing the constituencies of all those Latino and Asian members being supportive of that and surely the politicians know it as well.

    People read the same news sites, watch the same TV shows and movies. That is, they get the same propaganda. Nothing would surprise me, except resistance.

  57. @tyrone
    "They said Californy is the place you oughta be so they loaded up the BMW and they moved to Beverly".

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Harry Baldwin

    Tint bit off topic:

    I saw a youngish kind of attractive black lady pull into a store parking lot yesterday in a BMW 2 Series coupe. That’s a low end BMW but still $40k-$50k.

    Kind of an impractical car, but hey it’s pretty and she looks young.

    Then she got out and pulled the drivers seat forward and fished two young boys (kindergarten age maybe?) out of the back seat. By the way she was interacting with them, it was pretty clear that those were her kids. Seemed mighty inconvenient to have to do that every time you got out of the car.

    I immediately started trying to figure out why.

    Who owns the car? Did a man buy that car for her or is it financed? Does she value the image of the car better than her convenience? Couldn’t she get a bigger BMW? Is it really practical to haul a couple of kids around in a coupe? What happens when the kids get bigger and no longer fit in a tiny back seat like that?

    I just thought it was really strange – most people I know go buy the SUV as soon as they know there’s a baby on the way, much less two.

  58. @HammerJack
    Eugene Volokh in the WSJ:

    Opinion | Commentary

    New York State Wants to Conscript Me to Violate the Constitution
    A new law requires me to post a policy for dealing with ‘hate speech’ in comments on my blog.
    By Eugene Volokh

    New York politicians are slapping a badge on my chest. A law going into effect Saturday requires social-media networks, including any site that allows comments, to publish a plan for responding to alleged hate speech by users.

    The law blog I run fits the bill, so the law will mandate that I post publicly my policy for responding to comments that “vilify, humiliate, or incite violence against a group” based on “race, color, religion, ethnicity, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression.”

     


    I don’t want to moderate such content and I don’t endorse the state’s definition of hate speech. I do sometimes delete comments, but I do it based on my own editorial judgment, not state command. Still, I’m being conscripted. By obligating me to do the state’s bidding with regard to viewpoints that New York condemns, the law violates the First Amendment.

    The Supreme Court has carved out several narrow categories of unprotected speech, but hate speech isn’t one of them. Speech is protected except in the case of fighting words, true threats, defamation or incitement, and these exceptions are applied without regard to whether the speech in question is hateful. The court has wisely recognized that each of us has a different idea of what constitutes good or bad speech—and we can’t trust the government to decide which viewpoints are too hateful to merit legal protection.
    But that’s not stopping New York...


    https://archive.ph/dWNdc


     

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-state-wants-to-conscript-me-to-violate-the-constitution-first-amendment-mandate-free-speech-law-blog-hate-viewpoints-11669925813

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Hibernian

    Violating the First Amendment and the Dormant Interstate Commerce Clause.

  59. Why focus on some pie-in-the-sky quarter million dollar scheme when you can home in on billions in uranium money for reparations? And a stately home as part of the package:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/12/01/coles-hill-virginia-slavery-uranium/

  60. @Steve Sailer
    @Tono-Bungay

    I took the week off.

    I generally write about 48 or 49 columns per year.

    Replies: @Tono-Bungay

    What’s the Sailerian equivalent of methodone?

  61. On the bright side: at $233,00.00/person, all dem baby daddies be finding their ways back homes.

  62. @neutral
    I want to know how they will measure who qualifies to get the money? Using DNA testing I assume is not allowed because of "everything is a social construct", but is America ready for the comb test?

    Replies: @bomag

    I want to know how they will measure who qualifies to get the money?

    Almost a given that the selection procedure will be so unfair that the consuming national dialog will soon be how to compensate the victims of an unfair reparations attempt.

  63. @interesting
    Californians eligible for reparations would be descendants of enslaved African Americans or of a “free Black person living in the United States prior to the end of the 19th century.” Nearly 6.5 percent of California residents, roughly 2.5 million, identify as Black or African American.


    The total number of black folks in the state is irrelevant. How many blacks are direct descendants of those enslaved is the ONLY meaningful number.

    2 things will happen. Blacks who didn't get the cash will be resentful of those who did AND in the end, no matter what the amount is, the outcome will still yield unfair results and then the argument will be that the amount wasn't enough. At the very MOST the amount should be $164K per HOUSEHOLD.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Achmed E. Newman, @American Citizen

    How many blacks are direct descendants of those enslaved is the ONLY meaningful number.

    NO. How many blacks have been held in slavery is the ONLY meaningful number. The good thing is, the Peak Stupidity Reparations Plan was laid out nicely over 3 years back, just waiting for the political will.

    From the proposal:

    Our plan, and yes, it’s a generous one, is ONE MILLION DOLLARS of reimbursement to every living American who has been a slave. That money will be collected from all living Americans who have owned black slaves, with an option for a payment plan with monthly reparations coupons. Not every former slave owner can come up with the money required by next April 15 (the cruelest day). Of course, reparations contributions will be pro-rated based on years of slaveholding practices, while reparations payouts will be pro-rated by years of jumping-down-turning-around-picking-bales-of-cotton.

    Really, man, lot of people of lots of races/ethnicities have ancestors who were held in slavery. Do you see anyone else but black people whining about it like little pussies?

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well the Jews had this recent dust up in The book of Exodus…

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @interesting
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well of course you are right in a sane world, the problem is we don't live in a sane world soooooooooo.

    I'm just trying to limit the damage

  64. @Larry, San Francisco
    Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn't go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don't need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don't get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @The Alarmist, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Bill Jones, @Currahee, @Muggles, @Enemy of Earth, @Almost Missouri

    As the money ebbs and flows, think of all the Presbyterian middle-men who’ll be enriched.

  65. @Altai
    The problem is since no serious structural changes occur in terms of black relationships to education and capital, reparations will be a disaster since for whites the implication is "okay, so we're all square now" but just giving out lump sums of life-changing but by no means sustaining fortunes won't change things enough.

    But the ability to argue this point has lost all moral standing in large parts of the US so nobody will make it in those places and if an idea has no opposition of course it will eventually be implemented.

    But it's basically taking a chance on waking up a serious emergence of explicit white interest politics and or souring whites on further resource diversions to blacks by the state.

    This is why I think just a cash lump sum won't be adopted if people are thinking with their heads but if their emotional attitude is "Yeah this won't be good long-term but white racists also don't want us to give this money so let's just go" it could potentially be passed but then I'm sure get bogged down legally.

    Replies: @bomag

    Good points.

    We’re also in an era of social engineering where many believe the Black problem* can be solved with enough money and other inputs. There are fundamentals against such, but I guess everything needs to be tried.

    *not sure it’s even a problem; looks more like Blacks being Blacks; they are plenty happy with the current state of things

  66. @notsaying
    @Achmed E. Newman

    They are building a lot more people's hopes up besides black people.

    With over $200,000 per person being mentioned for just one of five areas, every nonwhite person in the state will want their share. The old time Hispanics and of course all the immigrants will never let blacks tied to American slavery days get amount of money or even half of that without them getting the same amount too.

    They never should have mentioned these figures. They doomed themselves to failure at the start. Jealousy and envy will take over and probably stop anything much from happening.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Agreed, completely, NS.

    Let me add here, since I haven’t read a comment yet to this effect: This is stupid money! Just to keep the math really simple, even without all the rest you mention who would want in on this “free” money, 6.5% of the population – the black people – is ~ 1 in 15. So, 14 California residents would be “repairing”(?) each sorry-assed DOS.

    That 223 large is just for the one thing – supposed theft of housing wealth. That doesn’t even seem like it’d be the largest of these bogus claims, but take it alone. That’s $16,000 from each average from other Californian. What kinds of taxes could possibly make that up in any reasonable time frame? I’ll leave that to the reader, or Steve Sailer, since he’s one of them. Maybe you’d better not get a new vehicle, Steve, as they may jack up the property tax sky high.

    This is what it’s really all about, no different from a gang of them hanging around your car that done stopped stone cold in the street:

    This isn’t that strange, indeed.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I just looked this up: A quarter of the people in CA are immigrants. A lot of people in California would also be children or grandchildren of recent immigrants. It is clear that while immigrants come here to get some of what we have, they want nothing to do with the sins committed in order to get it. We see that with white people too whose family didn't come here until after the Civil War -- they will usually say we didn't have have anything to do with slavery -- but of course legal discrimination against blacks continued into the 1960s.

    In any case, unless they themselves are going to get a big cut of reparations money, we can count on way more than ten million Californians being opposed to paying huge reparations or even something a lot smaller.

    These people are getting blacks all worked up for nothing. There isn't going to be hundreds of billions spent on unprecedented payouts. It isn't happening. I suppose white people alone will end up being blamed, not everybody else who didn't want to pay either.

  67. OT but maybe worth boosting a little: the Volokh conspiracy guy is suing NY State for making him monitor hate speech on his blog.

  68. @HammerJack
    The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it's all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who's counting. We've already thrown trillions down the drain in "social welfare" spending since the early 60s. It won't end until American society is a burnt cinder. We're already well on our way.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Michigan Patriot, @Anonymous

    The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it’s all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who’s counting. We’ve already thrown trillions down the drain in “social welfare” spending since the early 60s. It won’t end until American society is a burnt cinder. We’re already well on our way.

    No reparations without repatriation.

    All we need is for nationally prominent Republicans to say it. Blacks are the big beneficiaries of slavery. Sure, slavery was a good business $$$ for some slave traders and maybe some plantation owners back in the day. But it’s been a disaster–an expensive disaster–for every non-black American. But for blacks, their ancestors being pulled out of Africa, gifted them the opportunity to live in a white run nation.

    I think we should take this deal. Back of the envelope, 225k and 40-something million sounds like a $10 trillion dollar nut. Yeah, that’s huge … but with blacks sailing away for Africa we’d really “build back better”.

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @AnotherDad

    Something similar I’ve heard is to promise blacks vast generous sums in reparations as part of a constitutional amendment but to require them in the same amendment to agree to a repeal of special treatment civil rights laws and affirmative action and encode legal renunciation of any future and further claims of racism or discrimination as a basis for a judgment. In other words, we’ll pay you all this money but you’ll never get to benefit again from claims of “racism”. The books are clear from here on out and the justice system will treat all citizens equally regardless of race.

    That they’ll never agree to any of that belies the sincerity of “reparations” demands. Without that, “reparations” is just another scheme to get paid in the short run.

    Anything agreement without a final accounting in some way that closes the door on future mischief is just an invitation for more mischief. You’ve got to get something in return for doing this.

    , @Rooster16
    @AnotherDad

    I agree. I’ve thought a lot about this, and them going back appears to our only way forward. I believe you need a two prong approach however: monetary incentive and a catalyst. Blacks are naturally skeptical people, the second you bring up a financial incentive for them to move is how they’re getting screwed over; they’ll push back just to throw sand in the gears. Any threat of violence for them to move will bring the world down on your head.

    The pandemic might have offered a solution. With an effective marketing blitz, you could convince them of a new disease that only affects blacks in North America; something went horribly wrong! The only solution to guarantee their safety is moving them to an African Nation, and financially rewarding them for the inconvenience of doing so. Of course they’d be welcomed back once we found a solution, however, that sometimes can take decades or even centuries…

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @AnotherDad


    No reparations without repatriation.
     
    Billions Must Die is best. No unworkable deals, no negotiations, no handwringing, no indulging of inferiors. It solves the problem of possible future dysgenic migration (e.g., the World’s Most Important Graph). Scaling up, Billions Must Die can be applied anywhere and everywhere. May the best people win and inherit the Earth.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0bk6Hbz0ZU

  69. If reparations could be tied to repatriations, I think we could get more buy in.

  70. @Arclight
    @obwandiyag

    If I remember correctly, the median black household is a single person aged around 30 and the median white household is a married couple in their mid-40s. So this median wealth figure that gets thrown around isn't an apples to apples comparison by any means. When you factor in black workforce participation, typical employment, housing location, consumer spending habits as well, it's not mystery as to why blacks have substantially lower net worth.

    Anyway, I don't know CA politics except at a distance, but is a not-very black state legislature really going to vote to send massive amounts of money to a tiny minority of their population? I have a hard time seeing the constituencies of all those Latino and Asian members being supportive of that and surely the politicians know it as well.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @bomag, @Pixo

    When you factor in black workforce participation, typical employment, housing location, consumer spending habits as well, it’s not mystery as to why blacks have substantially lower net worth.

    Yes. A chunk of it here is the decision to consume immediately vs. saving for the future.

    Could well argue that immediate consumption is the smarter move.

    And opting for an easier career path has a value of its own; as does opting for more leisure time.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @bomag

    I think the Atlantic had a piece some years ago arguing that low-income people's instinct to spend rather than save was a rational choice, given the likelihood that it would all be over sooner rather than later for them anyway. Of course that doesn't take into account the fact that conspicuous displays of apparent wealth in the hood essentially invite conflict and theft as well.

    One of the Fed banks did some kind of study in the past where they looked at consumer spending patterns and one of the findings that stood out to me was that blacks start buying luxury goods (basically clothes and cars) at a substantially lower income level than whites. Even a middle class person who makes about $80K a year will rapidly destroy their ability to save by leasing a BMW and buying a closet full of fancy clothes instead of getting a Japanese car and sticking to just spending a few hundred bucks a year at Banana Republic or whatever to replace their older clothing.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @bigdicknick

  71. @AnotherDad
    @HammerJack


    The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it’s all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who’s counting. We’ve already thrown trillions down the drain in “social welfare” spending since the early 60s. It won’t end until American society is a burnt cinder. We’re already well on our way.
     
    No reparations without repatriation.

    All we need is for nationally prominent Republicans to say it. Blacks are the big beneficiaries of slavery. Sure, slavery was a good business $$$ for some slave traders and maybe some plantation owners back in the day. But it's been a disaster--an expensive disaster--for every non-black American. But for blacks, their ancestors being pulled out of Africa, gifted them the opportunity to live in a white run nation.

    I think we should take this deal. Back of the envelope, 225k and 40-something million sounds like a $10 trillion dollar nut. Yeah, that's huge ... but with blacks sailing away for Africa we'd really "build back better".

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Rooster16, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Something similar I’ve heard is to promise blacks vast generous sums in reparations as part of a constitutional amendment but to require them in the same amendment to agree to a repeal of special treatment civil rights laws and affirmative action and encode legal renunciation of any future and further claims of racism or discrimination as a basis for a judgment. In other words, we’ll pay you all this money but you’ll never get to benefit again from claims of “racism”. The books are clear from here on out and the justice system will treat all citizens equally regardless of race.

    That they’ll never agree to any of that belies the sincerity of “reparations” demands. Without that, “reparations” is just another scheme to get paid in the short run.

    Anything agreement without a final accounting in some way that closes the door on future mischief is just an invitation for more mischief. You’ve got to get something in return for doing this.

  72. @interesting
    "In the two years since nationwide social justice protests followed the murder of George Floyd"

    In that same year there were more unarmed white men shot by police than than black men.

    NAME ONE OF THEM.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    In that same year there were more unarmed white men shot by police than than black men.

    NAME ONE OF THEM.

    James Huber:

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/24/bodycam-video-captures-trooper-fatally-shooting-driver-in-buffalo-after-chase/

  73. I’m just glad Californians will be the first to pay for pandering to Blacks. Or will a majority of white Californians seek refuge in Arizona or Texas to avoid footing the bill? In that case, I don’t think Mexicans will be able or willing to pay Blacks a single cent.

  74. Idea for a TV show:

    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.
     
    Add this: On the other side a Yuppie white couple who worship St. G. Floyd/BLM with snowflake teen kids live on the other side of Family Boisterous.

    The Zoning and HOA battles alone would be a laff riot.

    Throw in a few more neighbors, like recent Mexicans with low riders up on blocks in the front yard, and you have your series.

    "Sponsored in part by the Unz Review. Check us out online daily for more family fun!"
    , @BosTex
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Not boisterous:

    Exuberant!

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Idea for a TV show:

    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.
     

    Well, it is Studio City!

    I generally don't snoop on Steve (or anyone else), but since we both got dogs recently, I've been Google-Earthworming their potential walks to compare with ours. Do any of those little acting acadamies accept canine students?

    All we have for pet food options within walking distance is a dollar store and a co-op gas station. Imagine what Lambo has available! Sushi! (Okay, our co-op does have a bait freezer.)

    The product below is for cats, but notice that the trade name was borrowed (intentionally or not) from the description in The Joy of Gay Sex of analinctus. (I peeked at one page in the bookstore decades ago, saw that phrase, and just can't seem to drink it off my mind.)

    https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/1ddd0932-69f9-47db-a552-c8cde9d7d3c7_1.79b367473ddd92859b70a1f87ced532d.jpeg

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  75. “…The median wealth of Black households in the United States is $24,100, compared with $188,200 for white households…”

    What’s the median wealth of black households in Nigeria? Isn’t that the comparison we should be making?

  76. @HammerJack
    (Grauniad; Diversity Hires)

    California
    Failure of officials to follow policy caused California gun owners’ data leak

    California’s department of justice mistakenly posted the names, addresses and birthdays of nearly 200,000 gun owners on the internet because officials didn’t follow policies or understand how to operate their website, according to an investigation released Wednesday.

     


    Officials at the California department of justice did not know about the breach until someone sent attorney general Rob Bonta a private message on Twitter that included screenshots of the personal information that was available to download from the state’s website, the investigation said.

    State officials at first thought the report was a hoax. Two unnamed employees – identified only as “Data Analyst 1” and “Research Center Director” – investigated and mistakenly assured everyone that no personal information was publicly available.

    Meanwhile, the website crashed because so many people were trying to download the data...


    Investigators found that no one – neither the employee who compiled the data nor the officials that supervised the employee – knew the proper security settings to prevent the data from being available for public download.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/01/california-justice-department-gun-owner-data-leak-error


     

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Alfa158

    It is truly amazing that these “innocent mistakes” always go only one way.

  77. @obwandiyag
    That median wealth statistic is a bunch of bullshit. Not that the blacks ain't poor. But so are the whites. They just factor in all the multi-billionaires and skew it but good. Just goes to show the truth value of statistics.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Redneck farmer, @Arclight, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Weren’t you the guy giving Steve shit for accidentally using ‘whom’ incorrectly?

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    When the last Grammar Nazi is hanged,
    Lil' Abner will shout, "I'll be danged!
    No perfessers! No schools'
    Shakes-pa-herian rules!
    No more sangin' such songs like they sanged!"

  78. So descendants of blacks sold into slavery by their tribes in Africa are supposed to get reparations from people who had nothing to do with it, right?

  79. what could go wrong?

    WSJ: Federal government to back home loans above 1 million dollars in high cost markets

    with only 3% down, too.

    guess who’s coming to your neighborhood.

  80. @Franz
    Great argument for a country that's billions in debt and falling apart, reparations.

    How about reparations from the 500 new billionaires for the 40 years of cheap labor they got sending work out? That happened on our time, not great grandpa's time.

    Separation will be reparation enough. The next depression will bring it.

    Replies: @Philbert Desanex, @Renard

    I suggest any reparations come out of the pockets of the DNC and Democrat politicians who have cynically used and abused blacks for the past 60 years as a voting bloc, primarily for the Dem’s own power and personal enrichment. All of the libelous talk about CRT and systemic racism and white supremacy are deflections from the disastrous policies pushed by Dems. It would be much more accurate to suggest that the social pathologies and poverty observed in US inner cities over the past several decades are the direct result of Dem policy subsidizing and incentivizing destructive actions in private lives. It’s almost like it was part of some grand plan.

    • Agree: Renard, Franz
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Philbert Desanex


    It would be much more accurate to suggest that the social pathologies and poverty observed in US inner cities over the past several decades are the direct result of Dem policy subsidizing and incentivizing destructive actions in private lives. It’s almost like it was part of some grand plan.
     
    As I've mentioned here more than once, the Moynihan Report was taken not as a warning but as a blueprint.

    Moynihan's own voting record as a senator in the following decades leads one to wonder about him, too, though he always could talk a good game.
  81. @tyrone
    "They said Californy is the place you oughta be so they loaded up the BMW and they moved to Beverly".

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Harry Baldwin

    And don’t forget, the lyrics refer to “black gold.”

    • Agree: tyrone
  82. @Arclight
    @obwandiyag

    If I remember correctly, the median black household is a single person aged around 30 and the median white household is a married couple in their mid-40s. So this median wealth figure that gets thrown around isn't an apples to apples comparison by any means. When you factor in black workforce participation, typical employment, housing location, consumer spending habits as well, it's not mystery as to why blacks have substantially lower net worth.

    Anyway, I don't know CA politics except at a distance, but is a not-very black state legislature really going to vote to send massive amounts of money to a tiny minority of their population? I have a hard time seeing the constituencies of all those Latino and Asian members being supportive of that and surely the politicians know it as well.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @bomag, @Pixo

    A lot of California black legislators represent majority hispanic/asian districts. The blacks vote, the Hispanics and Asians who live in those districts sometimes aren’t citizens and don’t vote much even when they are eligible.

  83. If this scheme succeeds, blacks will move to California en masse. Many white people will leave.

    White people thrive without blacks. Just look at the suburbs. Can blacks survive (i.e., not starve to death) without white people’s constant assistance? If reparations happen, I guess we’ll see.

  84. @Larry, San Francisco
    Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn't go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don't need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don't get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @The Alarmist, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Bill Jones, @Currahee, @Muggles, @Enemy of Earth, @Almost Missouri

    Yes, #3 good and hard.

  85. Hmmm … $500+ billion. Why does that number sound vaguely familiar?

    Isn’t this the California version of the Trump “Platinum Plan”? Yes, the PP was probably Kushner’s idea, but Trump was stupid enough to not just adopt it, but celebrate it in order to pander to wealthy black athletes and entertainment celebrities.

    There’s a case to be made that Trump’s $500 billion PP giveaway may have even cost him the 2020 presidential election by suppressing the white working-class vote in crucial swing states.

    So please, let’s not forget how Trump upped the ante on this bidding war.

    More Than Juneteenth? What’s In Trump’s $500 Billion “Platinum Plan” For Black America
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/09/25/more-than-juneteenth-whats-in-trumps-500-billion-platinum-plan-for-black-america/

    https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/president-trump-platinum-plan-final-version.pdf

  86. @Achmed E. Newman
    @interesting


    How many blacks are direct descendants of those enslaved is the ONLY meaningful number.
     
    NO. How many blacks have been held in slavery is the ONLY meaningful number. The good thing is, the Peak Stupidity Reparations Plan was laid out nicely over 3 years back, just waiting for the political will.

    From the proposal:

    Our plan, and yes, it's a generous one, is ONE MILLION DOLLARS of reimbursement to every living American who has been a slave. That money will be collected from all living Americans who have owned black slaves, with an option for a payment plan with monthly reparations coupons. Not every former slave owner can come up with the money required by next April 15 (the cruelest day). Of course, reparations contributions will be pro-rated based on years of slaveholding practices, while reparations payouts will be pro-rated by years of jumping-down-turning-around-picking-bales-of-cotton.
     
    Really, man, lot of people of lots of races/ethnicities have ancestors who were held in slavery. Do you see anyone else but black people whining about it like little pussies?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @interesting

    Well the Jews had this recent dust up in The book of Exodus…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike Tre

    See, there ya' go! Pay up, Egyptians!

    Replies: @Dmon

  87. @Nicholas Stix
    “In the two years since nationwide social justice protests followed the murder of George Floyd, California has undertaken the nation’s most sweeping effort yet to explore some concrete restitution to Black citizens to address the enduring economic effects of slavery and racism.”

    This method is what I call the landfill of lies. Lies, on top of lies, on top of lies. You open with established lies, in order to support the new lies later in the body of the text.

    black supremacist fake news reporter Kurtis Lee opens his “thing” with two whoppers: he calls nationwide rioting, looting, and arson “social justice protests”; and he speaks of “the murder of George Floyd.”

    Time was, msm operatives would actually try and sound like reporters, and so I would call their “things” reportorials. But Kurtis Lee’s (remember that name!) “thing” is simply an editorial. Lee is an unelected, political officer. I first noticed that function in grad school (circa 1988), when I tried taking a Ph.D. seminar on Jürgen Habermas with a black marxist philosophy professor named Frank Kirkland.

    This is the boilerplate of the day. Steve has dealt with numerous other such cases. He must always note that the “things” come from the “news” section, or readers would assume they were op-eds. One case that comes to mind, also from the times last year, but by a much more talented White writer, Michael Corkery, was about “black capitalism” in Rochester, NY. The times operative spoke of “racism” as having caused the failure of black capitalism, but there never was any black capitalism. Some black supremacist hustlers extorted hundreds of millions of dollars out of grand old White businesses like Kodak and Xerox, which helped destroy the White businesses.

    And yet, although Michael Corkery is much more talented than Kurtis Lee, Corkery told the same establishing lies:

    “In the wake of nationwide protests, corporate America has pledged to fight racism and support Black Americans….”

    “in the wake of George Floyd’s murder...”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/rochester-ny-had-its-first-racial-reckoning-50-years-ago-it-didnt-help/

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Some black supremacist hustlers extorted hundreds of millions of dollars out of grand old White businesses like Kodak and Xerox, which helped destroy the White businesses.

    Neither company has been destroyed, though the Kodak workforce is a small fraction of what it was 50 years ago.

    Saul Alinsky did hatch a scheme to wangle money out of leading enterprises in Rochester, but that was > 30 years before Kodak began circling the drain in 2003. Kodak had problems in the 1980s parallel to those of other manufacturing firms. Kodak had an advantage over GM and other manufacturing firms in that the company was for decades satisfactorily governed and established a bonus system which neutralized union organizing efforts. Even with that advantage, their executives weren’t impressive in their responses. The workforce declined by 2/3 over the period running from 1979 to 2003. On top of that they were slow to adapt to the advent of digital photography, which proved crippling.

    Having lived 30 years there and keeping a lazy eye on events there, I’d have to say the leadership class in Rochester is remarkably clumsy and uncreative outside of the discrete realms where they have prospered individually. Remarkable number of wheel-spinning ‘initiatives’ have come and gone over many decades to address obvious bed sores. Gets to feel like Groundhog Day . Two things that would help would be a program to address street crime and a program to address school disorder. The distribution of tasks and funding between state and local government in New York puts a straightjacket on county government and the mix of guild ideology, racial chauvinism, and judicial interference hobbles any effort to improve the schools. And, of course, the local pols are hardly interested in much but management of decline generally. The dispositions of the media buttress them in this regard.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Art Deco


    Neither company has been destroyed, though the Kodak workforce is a small fraction of what it was 50 years ago.
     

    Saul Alinsky did hatch a scheme to wangle money out of leading enterprises in Rochester, but that was > 30 years before Kodak began circling the drain in 2003.
     
    The first half of the first sentence is contradicted by the second halves of both sentences, and Kodak eventually went through Chapter 11 bankruptcy, then came out as the small company you describe.

    Even the Rock Island Lines survivived, sort of, as a 300 odd mile long single track industrial spur called the "Iowa Interstate" railroad, from Council Bluffs IA (across the Missouri from Omaha) and Joliet IL (a stone's throw from Chicago.) This was originally a double tracked main line which went by my Junior High School in Davenport IA.

    Sears also survives in a greatly reduced form after its recent Chapter 11 reorganization.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @International Jew
    @Art Deco

    I don't know if there was any way for Kodak to survive the advent of digital photography. When I think of all the money I used to spend on film and processing...
    For awhile at least they could sell digital cameras, but now those are dead too, killed off by the camera in your cell phone.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  88. I recall the cheating that plagued the Gulf Oil Spill fund. Feinberg, the fund Czar, had decided to dispense with claims adjusters as an unneeded complication. After all, shrimp-boat fishermen and restaurants would not cheat very often. Massive cheating ensued. If these guys cheated, imagine the cheating that would be tried by the current group. Fake eligibility documentation would be for sale, and government bureaucrats, not being eagle-eyed professional claims adjusters, would rubber-stamp approval.

  89. @HammerJack

    reparations proposals that will require vast financial resources from the state.
     
    From "the state" did you say? Oh, good idea — they have lots of money.

    The panel is now considering how reparations should be distributed — some favor tuition and housing grants while others want direct cash payments.

     

    Why not let's ask black people which they prefer? J/K

    They already have free tuition and housing anyway.

    it would then be up to the Legislature to act upon the recommendations and determine how to fund them.
     
    Oh! I know, I know! Let's impoverish millions of white people who had nothing to do with any of it in the first place, real or imagined.

    PS: Yes, he's running for president.

    Replies: @fish

    PS: Yes, he’s running for president.

    If that’s the case he really hasn’t thought this through.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @fish



    PS: Yes, he’s running for president.

     

    If that’s the case he really hasn’t thought this through.
     
    There aren't enough normal responsible people left for something like this to matter. If anything, it will be a positive for him among a very large segment of voters who care only about the new American AntiRacist Religion. And he will lock the black vote down.

    And that's even before we get to our new and improved fortified election system.

    The only way we don't become Venezuela North (or South Africa Part 2) is for entire states to opt out entirely and leave the mascots and their handlers to their own devices. We aren't voting our way out of this.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  90. @HammerJack
    @Batman

    And then there's the destruction of once-magnificent American cities, one after another. But why quibble.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The cities haven’t been destroyed. The cities expanded (as they had been doing) and the expansion was organized under suburban municipal government. The leadership class allowed wide swaths of the core city to rot. Bratton and Giuliani showed how you could reclaim the core city. Most local officials weren’t interested.

    • Troll: Renard
  91. @AnotherDad
    @HammerJack


    The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it’s all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who’s counting. We’ve already thrown trillions down the drain in “social welfare” spending since the early 60s. It won’t end until American society is a burnt cinder. We’re already well on our way.
     
    No reparations without repatriation.

    All we need is for nationally prominent Republicans to say it. Blacks are the big beneficiaries of slavery. Sure, slavery was a good business $$$ for some slave traders and maybe some plantation owners back in the day. But it's been a disaster--an expensive disaster--for every non-black American. But for blacks, their ancestors being pulled out of Africa, gifted them the opportunity to live in a white run nation.

    I think we should take this deal. Back of the envelope, 225k and 40-something million sounds like a $10 trillion dollar nut. Yeah, that's huge ... but with blacks sailing away for Africa we'd really "build back better".

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Rooster16, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I agree. I’ve thought a lot about this, and them going back appears to our only way forward. I believe you need a two prong approach however: monetary incentive and a catalyst. Blacks are naturally skeptical people, the second you bring up a financial incentive for them to move is how they’re getting screwed over; they’ll push back just to throw sand in the gears. Any threat of violence for them to move will bring the world down on your head.

    The pandemic might have offered a solution. With an effective marketing blitz, you could convince them of a new disease that only affects blacks in North America; something went horribly wrong! The only solution to guarantee their safety is moving them to an African Nation, and financially rewarding them for the inconvenience of doing so. Of course they’d be welcomed back once we found a solution, however, that sometimes can take decades or even centuries…

  92. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Reparations implies a permanent and finalized cure to a wrong. Like an apology accepted, amends honestly made, or a sentence served, reparations are supposed to mean, Okay, we've righted the wrong, we are now officially totally finished with this order of business. Now we all move on as if it had never happened, and the recipients of the reparation, by the act of accepting it, forfeit any future right to speak of it ever again. That is supposed to be the deal, and the purpose of the deal.

    But we all know that isn't going to be true. What happens when the guaranteed following generation of black f!ck-ups who DIDN'T get dey checks says, Hey! I'm still poor and stupid and criminal and living in squalor! Where's MY reparations?

    What are we going to tell them that they'd accept? Nothing, of course. So instead of reparations, let's call it what we all know it will turn out to be: never-ending Danegeld.

    The only realistic reparation to blacks as a people is to give them their own autonomous territory, fund it, develop it, and then permanently seal it off with a mile-high electric fence with a big note that says, BEST WISHES, AND NOW GOOD-BYE. DON'T CALL, DON'T WRITE, AND DON'T EVER ASK US FOR ANYTHING ELSE, EVER AGAIN.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    No reparations without deportations.

    • Agree: Muggles, HammerJack
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @kaganovitch


    No reparations without deportations.
     
    Agree kaganovitch, but my earlier

    "No reparations without repatriation" is the superior styling. Both its alliterative allure, but also because "deportation" sounds forceful and negative, while "repatriation" is friendly and implies someone returning to where they belong. (Which is the case here.)

    But the key win here, is that once conservatives forcefully make this point it not only blows up the reparations grift, but it shines some bright light on the whole minoritarian "oppression!" lie.

    The coalition of the fringes badly wants to be here in stale, pale settled, developed and run America because my ancestors simply built a better, richer, more pleasant and productive nation than wherever the hell all these fringies are from.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  93. @Nicholas Stix
    If they really do this in california, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.

    It just might give republicans a chance at a comeback... nah, goper leaders don't want to make a comeback. They want to kill the party and its White base.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @Abe

    If they really do this in california, I see two results:

    1. A flood of tens of millions of people fleeing the state; and

    2. The state economy collapsing.

    At which point President Weekend at Bernie’s assumes California’s insolvency on behalf of all White People by federalizing it through executive order. Cuckservatives crow victory as courts freeze this for a whole 6 months until SCOTUS- majority opinion courtesy of monsewer Justice Roberts- says “Nah, it’ll be fine.”

  94. @HammerJack
    (Grauniad; Diversity Hires)

    California
    Failure of officials to follow policy caused California gun owners’ data leak

    California’s department of justice mistakenly posted the names, addresses and birthdays of nearly 200,000 gun owners on the internet because officials didn’t follow policies or understand how to operate their website, according to an investigation released Wednesday.

     


    Officials at the California department of justice did not know about the breach until someone sent attorney general Rob Bonta a private message on Twitter that included screenshots of the personal information that was available to download from the state’s website, the investigation said.

    State officials at first thought the report was a hoax. Two unnamed employees – identified only as “Data Analyst 1” and “Research Center Director” – investigated and mistakenly assured everyone that no personal information was publicly available.

    Meanwhile, the website crashed because so many people were trying to download the data...


    Investigators found that no one – neither the employee who compiled the data nor the officials that supervised the employee – knew the proper security settings to prevent the data from being available for public download.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/01/california-justice-department-gun-owner-data-leak-error


     

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Alfa158

    I suspect the data would have to be posted to a location on the web page that includes a link to the file. This was quite likely a deliberate doxing of gun owners by anti-gun-rights bureaucrats.
    A few years ago a newspaper editor in a city on the East Coast posted on the paper’s website the names and addresses of everyone in the town with a registered gun. Gun-rights activists posted on multiple sites the editor’s home address. You can imagine the squealing that ensued.

  95. @HammerJack
    Do any of you remember how we'd stop and help anyone by the side of the road who appeared to need it? Those days are gone. Fortunately with cell phones there's less need, I guess.

    https://i.ibb.co/8NCLFff/fake-gold-suspects.jpg

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/woman-2-men-accused-in-northern-virginia-cash-for-gold-scheme/3223434/

    These people are gypsies, right? Makes Us Stronger!


    The people who did this weren't gypsies

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/20/alabama-adam-simjee-talladega-national-forest-police

    Replies: @goterbowip, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Kim

    Civilization requires normal productive people to defend against invaders and parasites. Minoritarianism is–purposefully–an attack upon, an attempt to weaken natural parasite defenses.

    Parasites need to be either killed, or expelled from the body.

    These gypsy parasites will–hopefully–go to prison for a bit … but then be back among us, parasiting away. What should be done is offer them a choice of execution or expulsion. If no one is willing to take them–likely–give them some fishing line and an axe and pack them off to some Aleutian Island. But their days of preying upon Americans–over.

    Same with the likes of George Floyd. Saint George should never have been out dealing drugs, passing counterfeit 20s and ODing on our streets. That career POS of should have been executed or sent on his fishing trip after pulling his home invasion stunt 15 years earlier. The big crime involving Floyd is that he was still dirtying up American streets in 2020.

    Americans (and Euros) have to overthrow this minoritarian cancer and aggressively attack and expel the accumulation of parasites or we aren’t going to have any civilization to defend.

    • Agree: Polistra
  96. @Mike Tre
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well the Jews had this recent dust up in The book of Exodus…

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    See, there ya’ go! Pay up, Egyptians!

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Oooh - this could get real interesting.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1987/10/11/the-black-roots-of-egypts-glory/1c3faf74-331c-4cc1-a6a0-3535fa3e098a/
    "THE BLACK ROOTS OF EGYPT'S GLORY"

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  97. @Larry, San Francisco
    Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn't go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don't need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don't get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @The Alarmist, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Bill Jones, @Currahee, @Muggles, @Enemy of Earth, @Almost Missouri

    Since “systemic racist America” is not ever going away, regardless of “reparation” payments, we need to adopt the Abe Lincoln alternative.

    He proposed, and endorsed, along with others, the plan to offer to pay blacks in America free passage back to Africa. They even set up Liberia for that.

    So, upon permanent renunciation of American citizenship, free one time passage to Africa or any other nation willing to take them on, permanently.

    A one-time reparation payment will quickly be spent (or pledged to pay off loans taken in anticpation of those) and there is the difficulty of determining whose ancestors were or weren’t slaves.

    But the free passage “home” idea solves these details.

    If a family parent takes the deal, the entire family has to go as well. No sense in them suffering in evil America.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Muggles

    A good plan like that deserves a little stipend, even, to get them started in their homeland.

    And before anyone objects that Africa is too crowded, let's point out that there's such a thing as "revealed preference" making it amply clear that Africans very much like it that way.

  98. the creation of the task force is a bold first step

    I don’t know, is a task force bolder or less bold than a blue-ribbon panel or a fact-finding committee?

  99. @Batman
    I've done these numbers before. Once you net out 100 years of bicycle thefts, blacks actually owe white people 3 trillion dollars.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @BosTex

    What do they owe us for Detroit, Saint Louis, Baltimore, Camden, Newark, Philly, The Bronx…?

    Factor that into your $223k, California!

    • Agree: Renard
  100. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Idea for a TV show:

    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.

    Replies: @Muggles, @BosTex, @Reg Cæsar

    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.

    Add this: On the other side a Yuppie white couple who worship St. G. Floyd/BLM with snowflake teen kids live on the other side of Family Boisterous.

    The Zoning and HOA battles alone would be a laff riot.

    Throw in a few more neighbors, like recent Mexicans with low riders up on blocks in the front yard, and you have your series.

    “Sponsored in part by the Unz Review. Check us out online daily for more family fun!”

    • LOL: HammerJack
  101. @Achmed E. Newman
    @notsaying

    Agreed, completely, NS.

    Let me add here, since I haven't read a comment yet to this effect: This is stupid money! Just to keep the math really simple, even without all the rest you mention who would want in on this "free" money, 6.5% of the population - the black people - is ~ 1 in 15. So, 14 California residents would be "repairing"(?) each sorry-assed DOS.

    That 223 large is just for the one thing - supposed theft of housing wealth. That doesn't even seem like it'd be the largest of these bogus claims, but take it alone. That's $16,000 from each average from other Californian. What kinds of taxes could possibly make that up in any reasonable time frame? I'll leave that to the reader, or Steve Sailer, since he's one of them. Maybe you'd better not get a new vehicle, Steve, as they may jack up the property tax sky high.

    This is what it's really all about, no different from a gang of them hanging around your car that done stopped stone cold in the street:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0SwYK0vco


    This isn't that strange, indeed.

    Replies: @notsaying

    I just looked this up: A quarter of the people in CA are immigrants. A lot of people in California would also be children or grandchildren of recent immigrants. It is clear that while immigrants come here to get some of what we have, they want nothing to do with the sins committed in order to get it. We see that with white people too whose family didn’t come here until after the Civil War — they will usually say we didn’t have have anything to do with slavery — but of course legal discrimination against blacks continued into the 1960s.

    In any case, unless they themselves are going to get a big cut of reparations money, we can count on way more than ten million Californians being opposed to paying huge reparations or even something a lot smaller.

    These people are getting blacks all worked up for nothing. There isn’t going to be hundreds of billions spent on unprecedented payouts. It isn’t happening. I suppose white people alone will end up being blamed, not everybody else who didn’t want to pay either.

  102. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Idea for a TV show:

    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.

    Replies: @Muggles, @BosTex, @Reg Cæsar

    Not boisterous:

    Exuberant!

  103. @Gore 2004
    Reparations will happen before 2050 and white liberals will see that it happens.


    https://twitter.com/EricBryanStone/status/1526214101483016195

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    Are you saying that we should be “heavily armed” if we want to avoid being “murdered” by armed “government” workers?

    • LOL: Cato
  104. @kaganovitch
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    No reparations without deportations.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    No reparations without deportations.

    Agree kaganovitch, but my earlier

    “No reparations without repatriation is the superior styling. Both its alliterative allure, but also because “deportation” sounds forceful and negative, while “repatriation” is friendly and implies someone returning to where they belong. (Which is the case here.)

    But the key win here, is that once conservatives forcefully make this point it not only blows up the reparations grift, but it shines some bright light on the whole minoritarian “oppression!” lie.

    The coalition of the fringes badly wants to be here in stale, pale settled, developed and run America because my ancestors simply built a better, richer, more pleasant and productive nation than wherever the hell all these fringies are from.

    • Agree: Cato
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    “No reparations without repatriation“ is the superior styling. Both its alliterative allure, but also because “deportation” sounds forceful and negative, while “repatriation” is friendly and implies someone returning to where they belong. (Which is the case here.)

    Indeed, it is.

  105. @Philbert Desanex
    @Franz

    I suggest any reparations come out of the pockets of the DNC and Democrat politicians who have cynically used and abused blacks for the past 60 years as a voting bloc, primarily for the Dem's own power and personal enrichment. All of the libelous talk about CRT and systemic racism and white supremacy are deflections from the disastrous policies pushed by Dems. It would be much more accurate to suggest that the social pathologies and poverty observed in US inner cities over the past several decades are the direct result of Dem policy subsidizing and incentivizing destructive actions in private lives. It's almost like it was part of some grand plan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It would be much more accurate to suggest that the social pathologies and poverty observed in US inner cities over the past several decades are the direct result of Dem policy subsidizing and incentivizing destructive actions in private lives. It’s almost like it was part of some grand plan.

    As I’ve mentioned here more than once, the Moynihan Report was taken not as a warning but as a blueprint.

    Moynihan’s own voting record as a senator in the following decades leads one to wonder about him, too, though he always could talk a good game.

  106. @Larry, San Francisco
    Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn't go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don't need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don't get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @The Alarmist, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Bill Jones, @Currahee, @Muggles, @Enemy of Earth, @Almost Missouri

    What are the odds, if Option 2 comes to pass, the added weight of all those scrambling to California to collect handouts causes the state to break off and slide into the ocean?

    • LOL: Renard, Liza
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Enemy of Earth


    What are the odds ... ?
     
    There are expert US Congressmen who could certainly supply you with that information, EoE.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

    Replies: @Liza

  107. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Idea for a TV show:

    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.

    Replies: @Muggles, @BosTex, @Reg Cæsar

    Idea for a TV show:

    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.

    Well, it is Studio City!

    I generally don’t snoop on Steve (or anyone else), but since we both got dogs recently, I’ve been Google-Earthworming their potential walks to compare with ours. Do any of those little acting acadamies accept canine students?

    All we have for pet food options within walking distance is a dollar store and a co-op gas station. Imagine what Lambo has available! Sushi! (Okay, our co-op does have a bait freezer.)

    The product below is for cats, but notice that the trade name was borrowed (intentionally or not) from the description in The Joy of Gay Sex of analinctus. (I peeked at one page in the bookstore decades ago, saw that phrase, and just can’t seem to drink it off my mind.)

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Reg Cæsar

    There would definitely be an episode in which the HBD blogger’s dog appears racist.

  108. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike Tre

    See, there ya' go! Pay up, Egyptians!

    Replies: @Dmon

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dmon

    Ooops! Some of those black professors should have shut up about their Kangs and Fay-Rows back in the day. They're fuckin' it up for the rest of the brothers.

  109. @HammerJack
    The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it's all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who's counting. We've already thrown trillions down the drain in "social welfare" spending since the early 60s. It won't end until American society is a burnt cinder. We're already well on our way.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Michigan Patriot, @Anonymous

    Agree 100%. May I add our reparations bills for : benefiting from living in a White Christian created ” first world society “, the b ill for using all White created inventions, Kindergarten through Ph.D. education, refund on all disproportionated social programs surpassing their tax donations, Black income from White created businesses gave them most of their tax monies. etc.

  110. It won’t be easy to get the schmundo by just taxing house equity. Property tax revenues in California are just over $3B so even doubling property tax rates won’t get them to $560B anytime soon.
    Since tax revenues are about $60B, doubling the sales tax to 20% would allow them to make the payments in installments over 10 years.
    Income tax revenues are $170B, therefore doubling the state income tax rate will pay for the reparations over about 4 years.
    One problem is that with people famous for high time preference, even making installment payments over 4 years might tax their patience.
    The other problem is that the Democrats’ hammerlock on power relies on the Asians and Latinx who vote 3/1 Democrat, in a minority White state. If the Asians and Latinx have to cough up reparations for the 6.5% of the population that is Blacks, they could politically jump ship before all the installment payments are made. It’s easy to vote D when it doesn’t cost anything and you can participate in hammering Whites, but that can change if there are real consequences for how you vote. The D’s need a means of paying reparations that does it immediately, before their base can jump ship on them, and can’t be reversed by a sudden change in political control.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Alfa158

    Thanks for the incisive analysis of CA fiscal politics. I concur ... except the final sentence.


    The D’s need a means of paying reparations that does it immediately, before their base can jump ship on them, and can’t be reversed by a sudden change in political control.
     
    They don't actually want to pay this thing. They just want to be seen voting for it. If they can vote for it and never pay it, that's called "win/win"!
  111. @International Jew
    Dusting off my green eyeshade here, I come up with other numbers.
    Mean income per capita for African Americans (2018 figure per the US Census) is $23,303.
    GDP per capita in Ghana (2022 est. per Wikipedia) is $2,374. The difference — $20,929 — reflects the annual benefit blacks get from having been brought here.

    Now then. Let's grant the blacks their $223,000 lump sum to cover the sins of slavery and Jim Crow and whatever else. But thereafter charge them $20,929 annually.

    The state legislature can hammer out the details of course. Matters like charging the USA-Ghana differential retrospectively as well as prospectively...

    Replies: @Dmon, @Almost Missouri

    In the interest of full African worldwide solidarity, they should also be declared dual citizens of California and Ghana, in which case they will be liable for the maximum 12.3% California State Income Tax and the flat 25% Ghanian Non-Resident Income Tax. Ghana may wish to levy late payment penalties, dating back to the reparations recipient ancestor’s date of sale. However, California consumer protection laws will apply, so within 30 days of receiving a reparations payment, any black person may be returned to Ghana in the original packaging with no restocking charge.

  112. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:

    This is of course exactly what happens when you drive out of polite society the concept that blacks may have some responsibility

    Problem goes further. Polite Society won’t call out on Jews weaponizing blacks to guilt-bait whites into perpetuity. Even after 2020 BLM mayhem, it’s Emmett Till all the way. This wouldn’t be happening without Jewish input, but polite society won’t go there.
    Black power is enhanced by Jews using blacks against whites.

    This idea is incredible. California is now majority non-white, so much of the burden will fall on Mexicans and Asians. Shouldn’t they be exempt from paying reparations? This also goes for white ethnic immigrants who came long after slavery ended. If this is going to be historically fair, just place the burden on Anglo, Irish, and Jewish whites with slave-holding ancestry.

    If any people deserve reparations in California, it’s Mexicans because CA was stolen from Mexico. But incredibly, Mexicans must now foot the bill and pay blacks for what happened in the South? Chinese were discriminated too in California. So, why should they be paying blacks? The whole thing stinks. But Jews command the narrative and made blacks holier than all others, except of course Jews.
    Also, black cowboys worked with white cowboys to rub out the Indians in the SW. Make blacks pay the Indians.

    • Agree: Gore 2004
  113. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Idea for a TV show:

    Six boisterous young Black! men pool their reparations and buy a house right next door to a mild-mannered HBD blogger. Hilarity and much content ensues.
     

    Well, it is Studio City!

    I generally don't snoop on Steve (or anyone else), but since we both got dogs recently, I've been Google-Earthworming their potential walks to compare with ours. Do any of those little acting acadamies accept canine students?

    All we have for pet food options within walking distance is a dollar store and a co-op gas station. Imagine what Lambo has available! Sushi! (Okay, our co-op does have a bait freezer.)

    The product below is for cats, but notice that the trade name was borrowed (intentionally or not) from the description in The Joy of Gay Sex of analinctus. (I peeked at one page in the bookstore decades ago, saw that phrase, and just can't seem to drink it off my mind.)

    https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/1ddd0932-69f9-47db-a552-c8cde9d7d3c7_1.79b367473ddd92859b70a1f87ced532d.jpeg

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    There would definitely be an episode in which the HBD blogger’s dog appears racist.

  114. @interesting
    Californians eligible for reparations would be descendants of enslaved African Americans or of a “free Black person living in the United States prior to the end of the 19th century.” Nearly 6.5 percent of California residents, roughly 2.5 million, identify as Black or African American.


    The total number of black folks in the state is irrelevant. How many blacks are direct descendants of those enslaved is the ONLY meaningful number.

    2 things will happen. Blacks who didn't get the cash will be resentful of those who did AND in the end, no matter what the amount is, the outcome will still yield unfair results and then the argument will be that the amount wasn't enough. At the very MOST the amount should be $164K per HOUSEHOLD.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Achmed E. Newman, @American Citizen

    Fuck it. I’m self identifying as black, moving to CA and collecting my quarter mil.

  115. All that free money will just lead to inflation and will hurt everyone.
    Also, people will be getting DNA testing to hopefully have African DNA which increase ‘African Americans” by at least 200%

  116. @Larry, San Francisco
    Civilization ending stupidity.

    Here are 3 scenarios I see, in order of likelihood of happening

    1. Everything works perfectly. Blacks get the money. CA doesn't go bankrupt but adopts higher taxes and waits to bailed out by President Newsome. Black deaths from exuberance go through the roof. Capable blacks (who don't need it) are made significantly better off. Incapable blacks who survive the exuberance, are back to square 1 in 10 years or less.

    2 More likely, Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system. Some don't get the money start suing. Others get reparations prematurely by rioting and stealing.

    3 Most likely. Hispanics and Asians are incensed at paying higher taxes to support reparations to black people who they have been subsidizing for years. Initiatives are set up to repeal the law. The initiative passes with 90% of the Hispanic and Latin folk and maybe with 50% of the white vote and cumulatively by better than a 2/1 margin. Black resentment boils over with riots focussed on Hispanics and Asians. The police will do nothing and there will be blood on the streets with Hispanics and even Asians meeting the Black violence with their own. Whites will be less likely to be violent and because of their suffering will start leaving the state even faster. Tax revenues fall and California becomes American South Africa.

    Any other outcome you can think of?

    The fact that there are smart and intelligent people who are willingly leading CA over a cliff is, well let us just say, sad.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @The Alarmist, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Bill Jones, @Currahee, @Muggles, @Enemy of Earth, @Almost Missouri

    4. Somewhere around the time that the $2½ Trillion* [non-]”reparations” legislation finally becomes law and the by-then President Newsome signals the Fed to “print it!”, the US Dollar mysteriously begins its ascent up the curve of hyperinflation.

    Initially, this pleases the Constituencies Who Matter: blacks get $million checks, the Progs get to say they “did reparations”, Goldman Sachs et al. get to facilitate the biggest wealth transfer in history, … but then the blacks notice that $1¼ million doesn’t actually buy much anymore, the Progs notice the blacks are getting restless, and Goldman et al. notice their annual bonuses could use topping up, so … Reparations Round 2—Annual Subscription Edition is mooted.

    Foreign economies that still produce value and hereditary fortunes notice that anything denominated in US Dollars is on a one-way trip to Devaluland, and the race is on: can the Fed print dollars faster than actual assets exit dollar valuation? Well, it doesn’t matter. All roads lead to currency collapse.

    Food, fuel, gold, and lead become the common currency. The US polity collapses under the weight of its own falsehood. Millions die. Globally and domestically new political possibilities finally arise. Interesting Times ensue.

    ———

    *”The task force has identified five areas … when it comes to [one area], the task force estimates compensation of around $569 billion” = 5 × $½ trillion = $2½ trillion.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  117. @fish
    @HammerJack

    PS: Yes, he’s running for president.


    If that’s the case he really hasn’t thought this through.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    PS: Yes, he’s running for president.

    If that’s the case he really hasn’t thought this through.

    There aren’t enough normal responsible people left for something like this to matter. If anything, it will be a positive for him among a very large segment of voters who care only about the new American AntiRacist Religion. And he will lock the black vote down.

    And that’s even before we get to our new and improved fortified election system.

    The only way we don’t become Venezuela North (or South Africa Part 2) is for entire states to opt out entirely and leave the mascots and their handlers to their own devices. We aren’t voting our way out of this.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @JR Ewing

    There aren’t enough normal responsible people left for something like this to matter.

    Sadly, agree. If there were enough normal responsible left the Democrats would have gotten the shellacking in the mid-terms that many people expected. Instead, it was "meh."

  118. The DailyMail is reporting it a bit differently:
    Newsom’s nine-man reparations board demands federal government pays every African American NATIONWIDE at least $223k
    This makes sense if Grewsom is running for national office.

    For some reason, the link about Jack D doesn’t match the headline
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11494935/Philadelphia-backs-10pm-curfew-children-aged-14-17-protect-gun-violence.html

  119. @Alfa158
    It won’t be easy to get the schmundo by just taxing house equity. Property tax revenues in California are just over $3B so even doubling property tax rates won’t get them to $560B anytime soon.
    Since tax revenues are about $60B, doubling the sales tax to 20% would allow them to make the payments in installments over 10 years.
    Income tax revenues are $170B, therefore doubling the state income tax rate will pay for the reparations over about 4 years.
    One problem is that with people famous for high time preference, even making installment payments over 4 years might tax their patience.
    The other problem is that the Democrats’ hammerlock on power relies on the Asians and Latinx who vote 3/1 Democrat, in a minority White state. If the Asians and Latinx have to cough up reparations for the 6.5% of the population that is Blacks, they could politically jump ship before all the installment payments are made. It’s easy to vote D when it doesn’t cost anything and you can participate in hammering Whites, but that can change if there are real consequences for how you vote. The D’s need a means of paying reparations that does it immediately, before their base can jump ship on them, and can’t be reversed by a sudden change in political control.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Thanks for the incisive analysis of CA fiscal politics. I concur … except the final sentence.

    The D’s need a means of paying reparations that does it immediately, before their base can jump ship on them, and can’t be reversed by a sudden change in political control.

    They don’t actually want to pay this thing. They just want to be seen voting for it. If they can vote for it and never pay it, that’s called “win/win”!

  120. @Observator
    Slavery never existed in the state of California, which was admitted to the Union as a free state in 1850. Mexico had abolished slavery in 1829, so descendants of slaves living there when it was a Mexican province ought to take their demands to the Mexican government. (Incidentally far more US slaves were able to escape to Mexico on their own than were ever helped by yankees to flee to Canada.)

    Advocates ought to argue that only those never convicted of a crime might be “eligible” for some kind of stipend. This would certainly shrink the cost of the project. Moreover it would agree with George Washington’s 1790 statement on the duties as well as the rights of American citizens that, “those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the Community are equally entitled to the protection of civil Government.”

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    (Incidentally far more US slaves were able to escape to Mexico on their own than were ever helped by yankees to flee to Canada.)

    Question from the peanut gallery:

    How many US blacks actually “escaped to freedom” in Canada, or Mexico for that matter? One hears about this so much it is a trope, yet I’ve never heard from anyone anywhere that their blacks ancestors fled slavery in the US.

    By contrast, I’ve met several American Vietnam War draft dodgers who went to Canada, whom Wiki says numbered less than 30k, or about 0.015% of the US population at the time.

    Can one suspect that all the “Underground Railroad” talk is about 1% a few celebrated cases and 99% hype?

    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix
  121. Will be interesting if Democrats go through with it – taxing 93 percent of the people to lavish rewards on the “oppressed” 7 percent.

  122. @The Alarmist
    @Larry, San Francisco


    Blacks from across the country flock to CA overwhelming and bankrupting the jerry-rigged system.
     
    One could only hope. It is at that time that the California Independence initiative should be embraced by the rest of the states.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    We’ve all said this before, but if we’re going to trash one of our states, couldn’t it be New Jersey, Delaware, Arkansas or Alabama? Or any of a couple dozen other states which really wouldn’t be missed? Not one which had consummate natural beauty and really good weather too?

    Just move the objectionable people out, and California can be paradise again.

  123. @Muggles
    @Larry, San Francisco

    Since "systemic racist America" is not ever going away, regardless of "reparation" payments, we need to adopt the Abe Lincoln alternative.

    He proposed, and endorsed, along with others, the plan to offer to pay blacks in America free passage back to Africa. They even set up Liberia for that.

    So, upon permanent renunciation of American citizenship, free one time passage to Africa or any other nation willing to take them on, permanently.

    A one-time reparation payment will quickly be spent (or pledged to pay off loans taken in anticpation of those) and there is the difficulty of determining whose ancestors were or weren't slaves.

    But the free passage "home" idea solves these details.

    If a family parent takes the deal, the entire family has to go as well. No sense in them suffering in evil America.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    A good plan like that deserves a little stipend, even, to get them started in their homeland.

    And before anyone objects that Africa is too crowded, let’s point out that there’s such a thing as “revealed preference” making it amply clear that Africans very much like it that way.

  124. @AnotherDad
    @HammerJack


    The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it’s all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who’s counting. We’ve already thrown trillions down the drain in “social welfare” spending since the early 60s. It won’t end until American society is a burnt cinder. We’re already well on our way.
     
    No reparations without repatriation.

    All we need is for nationally prominent Republicans to say it. Blacks are the big beneficiaries of slavery. Sure, slavery was a good business $$$ for some slave traders and maybe some plantation owners back in the day. But it's been a disaster--an expensive disaster--for every non-black American. But for blacks, their ancestors being pulled out of Africa, gifted them the opportunity to live in a white run nation.

    I think we should take this deal. Back of the envelope, 225k and 40-something million sounds like a $10 trillion dollar nut. Yeah, that's huge ... but with blacks sailing away for Africa we'd really "build back better".

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Rooster16, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No reparations without repatriation.

    Billions Must Die is best. No unworkable deals, no negotiations, no handwringing, no indulging of inferiors. It solves the problem of possible future dysgenic migration (e.g., the World’s Most Important Graph). Scaling up, Billions Must Die can be applied anywhere and everywhere. May the best people win and inherit the Earth.

  125. Well, that didn’t take long. They’re already saying that the plan should be rolled out nationwide, and further that the $223,000 per negro is just a down payment, to cover housing alone, with 12 more categories to be considered.

    Remind me please: who elected these archons?

  126. @Achmed E. Newman
    @interesting


    How many blacks are direct descendants of those enslaved is the ONLY meaningful number.
     
    NO. How many blacks have been held in slavery is the ONLY meaningful number. The good thing is, the Peak Stupidity Reparations Plan was laid out nicely over 3 years back, just waiting for the political will.

    From the proposal:

    Our plan, and yes, it's a generous one, is ONE MILLION DOLLARS of reimbursement to every living American who has been a slave. That money will be collected from all living Americans who have owned black slaves, with an option for a payment plan with monthly reparations coupons. Not every former slave owner can come up with the money required by next April 15 (the cruelest day). Of course, reparations contributions will be pro-rated based on years of slaveholding practices, while reparations payouts will be pro-rated by years of jumping-down-turning-around-picking-bales-of-cotton.
     
    Really, man, lot of people of lots of races/ethnicities have ancestors who were held in slavery. Do you see anyone else but black people whining about it like little pussies?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @interesting

    Well of course you are right in a sane world, the problem is we don’t live in a sane world soooooooooo.

    I’m just trying to limit the damage

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  127. According to the Public Policy Institute of California, the State’s population is 39% mexican and 5% black …

    mexicans have, in my experience, serious hatred for blacks … and they exercise that hatred by murder and other crimes against blacks whenever possible … and, since they’re a rung or 2 above blacks in the ‘victim’ scene, they get away with it.

    So, does anyone really think that those 39% mexicans — who, in all likelihood, are among the lower income groups in the State — are really going to pay taxes to provide reparations for blacks?

    Really?

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Anthony Aaron


    So, does anyone really think that those 39% mexicans — who, in all likelihood, are among the lower income groups in the State — are really going to pay taxes to provide reparations for blacks?

     

    Lol no.

    Reparations to Schwartzes will be paid by Whites like you.
  128. @Art Deco
    @Nicholas Stix

    Some black supremacist hustlers extorted hundreds of millions of dollars out of grand old White businesses like Kodak and Xerox, which helped destroy the White businesses.

    Neither company has been destroyed, though the Kodak workforce is a small fraction of what it was 50 years ago.

    Saul Alinsky did hatch a scheme to wangle money out of leading enterprises in Rochester, but that was > 30 years before Kodak began circling the drain in 2003. Kodak had problems in the 1980s parallel to those of other manufacturing firms. Kodak had an advantage over GM and other manufacturing firms in that the company was for decades satisfactorily governed and established a bonus system which neutralized union organizing efforts. Even with that advantage, their executives weren't impressive in their responses. The workforce declined by 2/3 over the period running from 1979 to 2003. On top of that they were slow to adapt to the advent of digital photography, which proved crippling.

    Having lived 30 years there and keeping a lazy eye on events there, I'd have to say the leadership class in Rochester is remarkably clumsy and uncreative outside of the discrete realms where they have prospered individually. Remarkable number of wheel-spinning 'initiatives' have come and gone over many decades to address obvious bed sores. Gets to feel like Groundhog Day . Two things that would help would be a program to address street crime and a program to address school disorder. The distribution of tasks and funding between state and local government in New York puts a straightjacket on county government and the mix of guild ideology, racial chauvinism, and judicial interference hobbles any effort to improve the schools. And, of course, the local pols are hardly interested in much but management of decline generally. The dispositions of the media buttress them in this regard.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @International Jew

    Neither company has been destroyed, though the Kodak workforce is a small fraction of what it was 50 years ago.

    Saul Alinsky did hatch a scheme to wangle money out of leading enterprises in Rochester, but that was > 30 years before Kodak began circling the drain in 2003.

    The first half of the first sentence is contradicted by the second halves of both sentences, and Kodak eventually went through Chapter 11 bankruptcy, then came out as the small company you describe.

    Even the Rock Island Lines survivived, sort of, as a 300 odd mile long single track industrial spur called the “Iowa Interstate” railroad, from Council Bluffs IA (across the Missouri from Omaha) and Joliet IL (a stone’s throw from Chicago.) This was originally a double tracked main line which went by my Junior High School in Davenport IA.

    Sears also survives in a greatly reduced form after its recent Chapter 11 reorganization.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Hibernian

    Is Xerox destroyed? No, it employs 23,000 people and continues to innovate. And neither company's problems are properly attributable to Alinsky. This isn't that difficult.

  129. @Hibernian
    @Art Deco


    Neither company has been destroyed, though the Kodak workforce is a small fraction of what it was 50 years ago.
     

    Saul Alinsky did hatch a scheme to wangle money out of leading enterprises in Rochester, but that was > 30 years before Kodak began circling the drain in 2003.
     
    The first half of the first sentence is contradicted by the second halves of both sentences, and Kodak eventually went through Chapter 11 bankruptcy, then came out as the small company you describe.

    Even the Rock Island Lines survivived, sort of, as a 300 odd mile long single track industrial spur called the "Iowa Interstate" railroad, from Council Bluffs IA (across the Missouri from Omaha) and Joliet IL (a stone's throw from Chicago.) This was originally a double tracked main line which went by my Junior High School in Davenport IA.

    Sears also survives in a greatly reduced form after its recent Chapter 11 reorganization.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Is Xerox destroyed? No, it employs 23,000 people and continues to innovate. And neither company’s problems are properly attributable to Alinsky. This isn’t that difficult.

  130. @HammerJack
    Do any of you remember how we'd stop and help anyone by the side of the road who appeared to need it? Those days are gone. Fortunately with cell phones there's less need, I guess.

    https://i.ibb.co/8NCLFff/fake-gold-suspects.jpg

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/woman-2-men-accused-in-northern-virginia-cash-for-gold-scheme/3223434/

    These people are gypsies, right? Makes Us Stronger!


    The people who did this weren't gypsies

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/20/alabama-adam-simjee-talladega-national-forest-police

    Replies: @goterbowip, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Kim

    Paulus says that in memory of him she is going to look after their fur children

  131. Never forget, Brazil had far more African slaves yet remains mired in crime, filth, and poverty.

    Canada and Australia had zero African slaves and developed safe, advanced, civilized societies.

    The USA was like Canada and Australia, only larger. Unfortunately it also had something that Brazil had, which is now dragging the ship of state downward like an anchor.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    Never forget, Brazil had far more African slaves yet remains mired in crime, filth, and poverty.

    Brazil's a middle income country. It has for more than a century improved its position vis a vis the United States in small increments. A single digit share of the population is illiterate, and these are concentrated among the old. The life expectancy at birth is now 76 years. Their elections are cleaner than ours. Street crime is a horrid problem there and the skew in the income distribution has some unsightly manifestations.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Curle
    @HammerJack

    “Canada and Australia had zero African slaves”.

    Well, Canada got the much vaunted Underground Railroad runaways, but point taken.

    That an insignificant event like the Underground Railroad is considered an important historic event illustrates the primacy of storytelling and promotion of moralized memes as compared to significance in the telling of American history. The most interesting, but excised, part of the story is the fact that the slaves were deposited in Canada not only because of runaway slave laws but because the northerners didn’t want them.

    Someone needs to write an history of virtue signaling.

    , @Thelma Ringbaum
    @HammerJack

    Canada and Australia developed, or are in process of development, of the Aboriginal Problem, of exactly the same nature of the problem USA has with blacks.

    See deeper, bro. If there is the need for a Rights Movement, an opressed nation will be created to suit the need. Freedom and Democracy have no bounds, if there is no nation to be found, folks like PETA will combat humans for the rights of their pets.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  132. @goterbowip
    @HammerJack

    The White girl in Alabama was spared the tragedy of marrying a Hindu, and we Americans were spared the affront of having his offspring among us. That's not nice, but that is my immediate reaction.

    Replies: @CCG

    • Replies: @Renard
    @CCG

    He's at least part black, if you consider his marksmanship. And the black girl must be at least part white. Or just lucky.

  133. @International Jew
    Dusting off my green eyeshade here, I come up with other numbers.
    Mean income per capita for African Americans (2018 figure per the US Census) is $23,303.
    GDP per capita in Ghana (2022 est. per Wikipedia) is $2,374. The difference — $20,929 — reflects the annual benefit blacks get from having been brought here.

    Now then. Let's grant the blacks their $223,000 lump sum to cover the sins of slavery and Jim Crow and whatever else. But thereafter charge them $20,929 annually.

    The state legislature can hammer out the details of course. Matters like charging the USA-Ghana differential retrospectively as well as prospectively...

    Replies: @Dmon, @Almost Missouri

    Good point!

    (I’m out of reaction buttons.)

  134. @JR Ewing
    @fish



    PS: Yes, he’s running for president.

     

    If that’s the case he really hasn’t thought this through.
     
    There aren't enough normal responsible people left for something like this to matter. If anything, it will be a positive for him among a very large segment of voters who care only about the new American AntiRacist Religion. And he will lock the black vote down.

    And that's even before we get to our new and improved fortified election system.

    The only way we don't become Venezuela North (or South Africa Part 2) is for entire states to opt out entirely and leave the mascots and their handlers to their own devices. We aren't voting our way out of this.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    There aren’t enough normal responsible people left for something like this to matter.

    Sadly, agree. If there were enough normal responsible left the Democrats would have gotten the shellacking in the mid-terms that many people expected. Instead, it was “meh.”

  135. A nine-member Reparations Task Force has spent months traveling across California to learn about the generational effects of racist policies and actions.

    Lol yes — traveling first class, staying in 5 star hotels and eating at pricey restaurants. For equity!

  136. @CCG
    @goterbowip

    Adam Simjee was Muslim, not Hindu. His cousin is one Ali Irshad.
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/adam-simjee-slain-hero
    http://www.nicholsonstudentmedia.com/life/adam-simjee-ucf-student-leaves-a-light/article_fe60c2ac-28c4-11ed-b134-972067c91d6e.html

    Replies: @Renard

    He’s at least part black, if you consider his marksmanship. And the black girl must be at least part white. Or just lucky.

  137. Btw everyone knows what would happen to Schwartzes if each got $200k from the gubmint — lots of bling, weaves, spinners and other pointless consumption. Blacks all would be worse off in a few years.

    Rinse and repeat.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Moses

    That's in line with the Dave Chapelle reparations joke: The richest man in the world gets that way after a dice game and announces his intentions to spend the money as quickly as he can.

  138. @Franz
    Great argument for a country that's billions in debt and falling apart, reparations.

    How about reparations from the 500 new billionaires for the 40 years of cheap labor they got sending work out? That happened on our time, not great grandpa's time.

    Separation will be reparation enough. The next depression will bring it.

    Replies: @Philbert Desanex, @Renard

    Great argument for a country that’s billions in debt

    Yes, especially if by billions you mean tens of trillions.

    • Agree: Franz
  139. @Anthony Aaron
    According to the Public Policy Institute of California, the State's population is 39% mexican and 5% black …

    mexicans have, in my experience, serious hatred for blacks … and they exercise that hatred by murder and other crimes against blacks whenever possible … and, since they're a rung or 2 above blacks in the 'victim' scene, they get away with it.

    So, does anyone really think that those 39% mexicans -- who, in all likelihood, are among the lower income groups in the State -- are really going to pay taxes to provide reparations for blacks?

    Really?

    Replies: @Moses

    So, does anyone really think that those 39% mexicans — who, in all likelihood, are among the lower income groups in the State — are really going to pay taxes to provide reparations for blacks?

    Lol no.

    Reparations to Schwartzes will be paid by Whites like you.

  140. @Art Deco
    @Nicholas Stix

    Some black supremacist hustlers extorted hundreds of millions of dollars out of grand old White businesses like Kodak and Xerox, which helped destroy the White businesses.

    Neither company has been destroyed, though the Kodak workforce is a small fraction of what it was 50 years ago.

    Saul Alinsky did hatch a scheme to wangle money out of leading enterprises in Rochester, but that was > 30 years before Kodak began circling the drain in 2003. Kodak had problems in the 1980s parallel to those of other manufacturing firms. Kodak had an advantage over GM and other manufacturing firms in that the company was for decades satisfactorily governed and established a bonus system which neutralized union organizing efforts. Even with that advantage, their executives weren't impressive in their responses. The workforce declined by 2/3 over the period running from 1979 to 2003. On top of that they were slow to adapt to the advent of digital photography, which proved crippling.

    Having lived 30 years there and keeping a lazy eye on events there, I'd have to say the leadership class in Rochester is remarkably clumsy and uncreative outside of the discrete realms where they have prospered individually. Remarkable number of wheel-spinning 'initiatives' have come and gone over many decades to address obvious bed sores. Gets to feel like Groundhog Day . Two things that would help would be a program to address street crime and a program to address school disorder. The distribution of tasks and funding between state and local government in New York puts a straightjacket on county government and the mix of guild ideology, racial chauvinism, and judicial interference hobbles any effort to improve the schools. And, of course, the local pols are hardly interested in much but management of decline generally. The dispositions of the media buttress them in this regard.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @International Jew

    I don’t know if there was any way for Kodak to survive the advent of digital photography. When I think of all the money I used to spend on film and processing…
    For awhile at least they could sell digital cameras, but now those are dead too, killed off by the camera in your cell phone.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @International Jew

    For awhile at least they could sell digital cameras, but now those are dead too, killed off by the camera in your cell phone.

    I don't think the camera in your phone is a close substitute for the sort of camera that would interest a photography aficionado, any more than an Instamatic would interest a Leica owner.

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad

  141. @International Jew
    @Art Deco

    I don't know if there was any way for Kodak to survive the advent of digital photography. When I think of all the money I used to spend on film and processing...
    For awhile at least they could sell digital cameras, but now those are dead too, killed off by the camera in your cell phone.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    For awhile at least they could sell digital cameras, but now those are dead too, killed off by the camera in your cell phone.

    I don’t think the camera in your phone is a close substitute for the sort of camera that would interest a photography aficionado, any more than an Instamatic would interest a Leica owner.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Art Deco

    I'm a photography afficionado. In the fourteen years of the smartphone era I've taken my best pictures ever. What's made the difference is that I now have a camera with me at all times.
    So, I'm an afficionado. What I'm not is an equipment geek.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    I don’t think the camera in your phone is a close substitute for the sort of camera that would interest a photography aficionado, any more than an Instamatic would interest a Leica owner.
     
    Kodak's bread and butter was not the "aficionado", but the mass market.

    And IJ's right. The mass market is gone. And that's ok--a great thing--in fact. Photography and display of photography is basically free. Progress.
  142. @HammerJack
    Never forget, Brazil had far more African slaves yet remains mired in crime, filth, and poverty.

    Canada and Australia had zero African slaves and developed safe, advanced, civilized societies.

    The USA was like Canada and Australia, only larger. Unfortunately it also had something that Brazil had, which is now dragging the ship of state downward like an anchor.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Thelma Ringbaum

    Never forget, Brazil had far more African slaves yet remains mired in crime, filth, and poverty.

    Brazil’s a middle income country. It has for more than a century improved its position vis a vis the United States in small increments. A single digit share of the population is illiterate, and these are concentrated among the old. The life expectancy at birth is now 76 years. Their elections are cleaner than ours. Street crime is a horrid problem there and the skew in the income distribution has some unsightly manifestations.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco


    Their elections are cleaner than ours.
     
    Seriously? Do you not know about the protests about the Commie Lulu cheating the incumbent Bolsonaro in the latest election down there?

    So, I'd say they are no cleaner than ours.

    Replies: @Renard

  143. @Moses
    Btw everyone knows what would happen to Schwartzes if each got $200k from the gubmint -- lots of bling, weaves, spinners and other pointless consumption. Blacks all would be worse off in a few years.

    Rinse and repeat.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    That’s in line with the Dave Chapelle reparations joke: The richest man in the world gets that way after a dice game and announces his intentions to spend the money as quickly as he can.

  144. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @HammerJack
    The martyrdom of St. Floyd will cost trillions before it's all over. Predicated upon a lie or two? Well, who's counting. We've already thrown trillions down the drain in "social welfare" spending since the early 60s. It won't end until American society is a burnt cinder. We're already well on our way.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Michigan Patriot, @Anonymous

    Reparations will never occur – there will be a very long period of nasty arguing over how much; to whom; and who must pay. Questions will arise instantly – should mulattos get 1/2; should Whites whose families never owned a slave be required to pay; and what about Blacks who just came to America – should they also collect?
    By the time, the amounts and payees and the payers get settled, there won’t be an America around to gather up the money —–and if the Blacks think that the Chinese, who will own America, will step up and take over providing money for reparations —-that will never happen. Might as well expect Israel to foot the bill.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Anonymous

    Given the wreckage that is taking the place of what used to be the USA, I'm beginning to wonder if the Chinese will want any part of it. Why should they involve themselves in it?

    Maybe there will still be some wealth to extract, but will it be worth the trouble?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Harry Baldwin

  145. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @obwandiyag

    Weren't you the guy giving Steve shit for accidentally using 'whom' incorrectly?

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)

    When the last Grammar Nazi is hanged,
    Lil’ Abner will shout, “I’ll be danged!
    No perfessers! No schools’
    Shakes-pa-herian rules!
    No more sangin’ such songs like they sanged!”

    • LOL: The Anti-Gnostic
  146. @bomag
    @Arclight


    When you factor in black workforce participation, typical employment, housing location, consumer spending habits as well, it’s not mystery as to why blacks have substantially lower net worth.
     
    Yes. A chunk of it here is the decision to consume immediately vs. saving for the future.

    Could well argue that immediate consumption is the smarter move.

    And opting for an easier career path has a value of its own; as does opting for more leisure time.

    Replies: @Arclight

    I think the Atlantic had a piece some years ago arguing that low-income people’s instinct to spend rather than save was a rational choice, given the likelihood that it would all be over sooner rather than later for them anyway. Of course that doesn’t take into account the fact that conspicuous displays of apparent wealth in the hood essentially invite conflict and theft as well.

    One of the Fed banks did some kind of study in the past where they looked at consumer spending patterns and one of the findings that stood out to me was that blacks start buying luxury goods (basically clothes and cars) at a substantially lower income level than whites. Even a middle class person who makes about $80K a year will rapidly destroy their ability to save by leasing a BMW and buying a closet full of fancy clothes instead of getting a Japanese car and sticking to just spending a few hundred bucks a year at Banana Republic or whatever to replace their older clothing.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Arclight

    The inevitability of Reparations was heralded by all the blackedy black TV commercials which we currently endure, the purpose of which was to instruct them in Fashion that more befitted their new role as upscale consumers.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @bigdicknick
    @Arclight

    the progressive view of blacks is that they are urban samurai who are optimizing for survival and that their seemingly bad behavior is actually the best behavior possible given their environment. IIRC this is a theme in coates work.

    It's completely absurd if you have ever lived around blacks.

  147. @Art Deco
    @International Jew

    For awhile at least they could sell digital cameras, but now those are dead too, killed off by the camera in your cell phone.

    I don't think the camera in your phone is a close substitute for the sort of camera that would interest a photography aficionado, any more than an Instamatic would interest a Leica owner.

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad

    I’m a photography afficionado. In the fourteen years of the smartphone era I’ve taken my best pictures ever. What’s made the difference is that I now have a camera with me at all times.
    So, I’m an afficionado. What I’m not is an equipment geek.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  148. The task force has identified five areas — housing discrimination, mass incarceration, unjust property seizures, devaluation of Black businesses and health care — in discussions for compensation.

    For example, from 1933 to 1977, when it comes to housing discrimination, the task force estimates compensation of around $569 billion, with $223,200 per person.

    The $223,200 per person is only for housing discrimination. Further sums will be due for the other four areas of grievance.

    The median wealth of Black households in the United States is $24,100, compared with $188,200 for white households, according to the most recent Federal Reserve Board Survey of Consumer Finances.

    Even if you accept the idea of reparations, this suggests that the total sum should be $164,100 per household. Not $223,200 per person, with further sums due for mass incarceration, unjust property seizures, devaluation of Black businesses and health care.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @James N. Kennett

    with further sums due for mass incarceration

    The costs of incarceration should be deducted from proposed reparations, because it's a cost that the law-abiding among us have to bear. What's the rationale for adding it to the reparations bill? Is the proposal that every convicted felon should get least minimum wage for every hour he was incarcerated?

  149. Recently there was a “reaction” video in youtube to Chapelle’s classic reparations bit, where the three black male “reactors” could barely contain themselves with laughter at the…..ahem….”stereotypes.”

    The ring of truth? More like the pealing of a thousand church bells simltaneously.

  150. @Enemy of Earth
    @Larry, San Francisco

    What are the odds, if Option 2 comes to pass, the added weight of all those scrambling to California to collect handouts causes the state to break off and slide into the ocean?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    What are the odds … ?

    There are expert US Congressmen who could certainly supply you with that information, EoE.

    • Replies: @Liza
    @Achmed E. Newman

    EOE indeed - Errors and Omissions Excepted. Achmed, how do you manage to find these juicy videos.

    Maybe he was thinking of sinking instead of capsizing/tipping over. As in what's purportedly occurring in Hong Kong and other large cities.

    Cities around the world are slowly sinking, and it is not just the rising sea levels that they should be worried about. Their colossal weight is also to blame, recent research found, emphasizing the importance of including subsidence into models of climate change.

    According to an article in ESKP, Jakarta was 15 centimeters higher last year than they are now. One reason why they are slowly sinking lies in the enormous groundwater being bumped on the surface that alters the pressure balances underground.

    This could occur unnoticed and may happen rapidly, especially in megacities located in river deltas or near the coast. It could be that this could sink a city by up to 30 centimeters a year at extreme rates.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  151. @Dmon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Oooh - this could get real interesting.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1987/10/11/the-black-roots-of-egypts-glory/1c3faf74-331c-4cc1-a6a0-3535fa3e098a/
    "THE BLACK ROOTS OF EGYPT'S GLORY"

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Ooops! Some of those black professors should have shut up about their Kangs and Fay-Rows back in the day. They’re fuckin’ it up for the rest of the brothers.

  152. @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    Never forget, Brazil had far more African slaves yet remains mired in crime, filth, and poverty.

    Brazil's a middle income country. It has for more than a century improved its position vis a vis the United States in small increments. A single digit share of the population is illiterate, and these are concentrated among the old. The life expectancy at birth is now 76 years. Their elections are cleaner than ours. Street crime is a horrid problem there and the skew in the income distribution has some unsightly manifestations.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Their elections are cleaner than ours.

    Seriously? Do you not know about the protests about the Commie Lulu cheating the incumbent Bolsonaro in the latest election down there?

    So, I’d say they are no cleaner than ours.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Forget it Jake. It's art deco.

    He's never heard of favelas, among a hundred other things.

  153. @Arclight
    @bomag

    I think the Atlantic had a piece some years ago arguing that low-income people's instinct to spend rather than save was a rational choice, given the likelihood that it would all be over sooner rather than later for them anyway. Of course that doesn't take into account the fact that conspicuous displays of apparent wealth in the hood essentially invite conflict and theft as well.

    One of the Fed banks did some kind of study in the past where they looked at consumer spending patterns and one of the findings that stood out to me was that blacks start buying luxury goods (basically clothes and cars) at a substantially lower income level than whites. Even a middle class person who makes about $80K a year will rapidly destroy their ability to save by leasing a BMW and buying a closet full of fancy clothes instead of getting a Japanese car and sticking to just spending a few hundred bucks a year at Banana Republic or whatever to replace their older clothing.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @bigdicknick

    The inevitability of Reparations was heralded by all the blackedy black TV commercials which we currently endure, the purpose of which was to instruct them in Fashion that more befitted their new role as upscale consumers.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @ThreeCranes

    Was at a very large and diverse local mall tonight (against my will of course) so one of my sons could get some new basketball shoes, which entailed stopping at no less than three different stores to examine the available wares. For a very large share of the local hood demographic, 'upscale' means expensive sneakers, sweats, or acid washed jeans with ribbing or something like that. I'd say close to 100% percent of the thousands of people we passed was wearing at least one of those things. Naturally since my spouse and I were not wearing sneakers, sweats, or jeans we stood out but were treated with polite curiosity.

  154. @ThreeCranes
    @Arclight

    The inevitability of Reparations was heralded by all the blackedy black TV commercials which we currently endure, the purpose of which was to instruct them in Fashion that more befitted their new role as upscale consumers.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Was at a very large and diverse local mall tonight (against my will of course) so one of my sons could get some new basketball shoes, which entailed stopping at no less than three different stores to examine the available wares. For a very large share of the local hood demographic, ‘upscale’ means expensive sneakers, sweats, or acid washed jeans with ribbing or something like that. I’d say close to 100% percent of the thousands of people we passed was wearing at least one of those things. Naturally since my spouse and I were not wearing sneakers, sweats, or jeans we stood out but were treated with polite curiosity.

  155. @Anonymous
    @HammerJack

    Reparations will never occur - there will be a very long period of nasty arguing over how much; to whom; and who must pay. Questions will arise instantly - should mulattos get 1/2; should Whites whose families never owned a slave be required to pay; and what about Blacks who just came to America - should they also collect?
    By the time, the amounts and payees and the payers get settled, there won't be an America around to gather up the money -----and if the Blacks think that the Chinese, who will own America, will step up and take over providing money for reparations ----that will never happen. Might as well expect Israel to foot the bill.

    Replies: @Renard

    Given the wreckage that is taking the place of what used to be the USA, I’m beginning to wonder if the Chinese will want any part of it. Why should they involve themselves in it?

    Maybe there will still be some wealth to extract, but will it be worth the trouble?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Renard


    Maybe there will still be some wealth to extract, but will it be worth the trouble?
     
    Most certainly YES, Renard.

    Sorry to link-bomb you, but I wrote a 6-part series of posts on Will America be looted by China? almost 2 years back:

    Part 1: Intro.
    Part 2: Housing
    Part 3: Big Biz
    Part 4: The Fruited Plain
    Part 5: The Wilderness
    Part 6: Conclusion - The Golden Rule

    As for Mr. Deco, he is on our side, but yeah, I like the way you put it. He's one of the few here that, smart as he is, may be just slightly on the spectrum, and I don't mean this stuff:

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/post_982A.jpg

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Renard

    Our new Chinese overlords will be quick to identify and deal with the problematic elements in our society. They'll having it humming at maximum efficiency in no time at all.

  156. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco


    Their elections are cleaner than ours.
     
    Seriously? Do you not know about the protests about the Commie Lulu cheating the incumbent Bolsonaro in the latest election down there?

    So, I'd say they are no cleaner than ours.

    Replies: @Renard

    Forget it Jake. It’s art deco.

    He’s never heard of favelas, among a hundred other things.

  157. Well, the money for black californians would be a roundoff error in the equally logical money for the Sacred Borders of the Ukraine, so that the said Ukraine could continue stealing gas from the too rich Russians.

    Paying one opressed underdog that is always in the right , why not paying every opressed underdog that is always in the right? After all the Blacks are murican siteezens.

  158. @HammerJack
    Never forget, Brazil had far more African slaves yet remains mired in crime, filth, and poverty.

    Canada and Australia had zero African slaves and developed safe, advanced, civilized societies.

    The USA was like Canada and Australia, only larger. Unfortunately it also had something that Brazil had, which is now dragging the ship of state downward like an anchor.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Thelma Ringbaum

    “Canada and Australia had zero African slaves”.

    Well, Canada got the much vaunted Underground Railroad runaways, but point taken.

    That an insignificant event like the Underground Railroad is considered an important historic event illustrates the primacy of storytelling and promotion of moralized memes as compared to significance in the telling of American history. The most interesting, but excised, part of the story is the fact that the slaves were deposited in Canada not only because of runaway slave laws but because the northerners didn’t want them.

    Someone needs to write an history of virtue signaling.

  159. @AnotherDad
    @kaganovitch


    No reparations without deportations.
     
    Agree kaganovitch, but my earlier

    "No reparations without repatriation" is the superior styling. Both its alliterative allure, but also because "deportation" sounds forceful and negative, while "repatriation" is friendly and implies someone returning to where they belong. (Which is the case here.)

    But the key win here, is that once conservatives forcefully make this point it not only blows up the reparations grift, but it shines some bright light on the whole minoritarian "oppression!" lie.

    The coalition of the fringes badly wants to be here in stale, pale settled, developed and run America because my ancestors simply built a better, richer, more pleasant and productive nation than wherever the hell all these fringies are from.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    “No reparations without repatriation“ is the superior styling. Both its alliterative allure, but also because “deportation” sounds forceful and negative, while “repatriation” is friendly and implies someone returning to where they belong. (Which is the case here.)

    Indeed, it is.

  160. @Renard
    @Anonymous

    Given the wreckage that is taking the place of what used to be the USA, I'm beginning to wonder if the Chinese will want any part of it. Why should they involve themselves in it?

    Maybe there will still be some wealth to extract, but will it be worth the trouble?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Harry Baldwin

    Maybe there will still be some wealth to extract, but will it be worth the trouble?

    Most certainly YES, Renard.

    Sorry to link-bomb you, but I wrote a 6-part series of posts on Will America be looted by China? almost 2 years back:

    Part 1: Intro.
    Part 2: Housing
    Part 3: Big Biz
    Part 4: The Fruited Plain
    Part 5: The Wilderness
    Part 6: Conclusion – The Golden Rule

    As for Mr. Deco, he is on our side, but yeah, I like the way you put it. He’s one of the few here that, smart as he is, may be just slightly on the spectrum, and I don’t mean this stuff:

    • Thanks: Rob
  161. @Arclight
    @bomag

    I think the Atlantic had a piece some years ago arguing that low-income people's instinct to spend rather than save was a rational choice, given the likelihood that it would all be over sooner rather than later for them anyway. Of course that doesn't take into account the fact that conspicuous displays of apparent wealth in the hood essentially invite conflict and theft as well.

    One of the Fed banks did some kind of study in the past where they looked at consumer spending patterns and one of the findings that stood out to me was that blacks start buying luxury goods (basically clothes and cars) at a substantially lower income level than whites. Even a middle class person who makes about $80K a year will rapidly destroy their ability to save by leasing a BMW and buying a closet full of fancy clothes instead of getting a Japanese car and sticking to just spending a few hundred bucks a year at Banana Republic or whatever to replace their older clothing.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @bigdicknick

    the progressive view of blacks is that they are urban samurai who are optimizing for survival and that their seemingly bad behavior is actually the best behavior possible given their environment. IIRC this is a theme in coates work.

    It’s completely absurd if you have ever lived around blacks.

  162. @HammerJack
    Never forget, Brazil had far more African slaves yet remains mired in crime, filth, and poverty.

    Canada and Australia had zero African slaves and developed safe, advanced, civilized societies.

    The USA was like Canada and Australia, only larger. Unfortunately it also had something that Brazil had, which is now dragging the ship of state downward like an anchor.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Thelma Ringbaum

    Canada and Australia developed, or are in process of development, of the Aboriginal Problem, of exactly the same nature of the problem USA has with blacks.

    See deeper, bro. If there is the need for a Rights Movement, an opressed nation will be created to suit the need. Freedom and Democracy have no bounds, if there is no nation to be found, folks like PETA will combat humans for the rights of their pets.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    Liberalism has no limiting principle. That's how we got from John Locke to here.

    It makes no sense to me; why can't we draw a line somewhere? But apparently we can't.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  163. @James N. Kennett

    The task force has identified five areas — housing discrimination, mass incarceration, unjust property seizures, devaluation of Black businesses and health care — in discussions for compensation.

    ...

    For example, from 1933 to 1977, when it comes to housing discrimination, the task force estimates compensation of around $569 billion, with $223,200 per person.

     

    The $223,200 per person is only for housing discrimination. Further sums will be due for the other four areas of grievance.

    The median wealth of Black households in the United States is $24,100, compared with $188,200 for white households, according to the most recent Federal Reserve Board Survey of Consumer Finances.

     

    Even if you accept the idea of reparations, this suggests that the total sum should be $164,100 per household. Not $223,200 per person, with further sums due for mass incarceration, unjust property seizures, devaluation of Black businesses and health care.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    with further sums due for mass incarceration

    The costs of incarceration should be deducted from proposed reparations, because it’s a cost that the law-abiding among us have to bear. What’s the rationale for adding it to the reparations bill? Is the proposal that every convicted felon should get least minimum wage for every hour he was incarcerated?

  164. @Renard
    @Anonymous

    Given the wreckage that is taking the place of what used to be the USA, I'm beginning to wonder if the Chinese will want any part of it. Why should they involve themselves in it?

    Maybe there will still be some wealth to extract, but will it be worth the trouble?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Harry Baldwin

    Our new Chinese overlords will be quick to identify and deal with the problematic elements in our society. They’ll having it humming at maximum efficiency in no time at all.

  165. @Thelma Ringbaum
    @HammerJack

    Canada and Australia developed, or are in process of development, of the Aboriginal Problem, of exactly the same nature of the problem USA has with blacks.

    See deeper, bro. If there is the need for a Rights Movement, an opressed nation will be created to suit the need. Freedom and Democracy have no bounds, if there is no nation to be found, folks like PETA will combat humans for the rights of their pets.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Liberalism has no limiting principle. That’s how we got from John Locke to here.

    It makes no sense to me; why can’t we draw a line somewhere? But apparently we can’t.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I think classical liberalism has adequate limiting principles. It's just that few people of influence adhere to it. What Emmett Tyrell calls 'New Age liberalism' has no limiting principle. It's fashionable here to slam 'neocons', without noticing that the public intellectuals you're trashing were the people who decided between 1965 and 1980 that it was time to get off the trolley; they did have a limiting principle.

    Replies: @BB753

  166. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    Liberalism has no limiting principle. That's how we got from John Locke to here.

    It makes no sense to me; why can't we draw a line somewhere? But apparently we can't.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I think classical liberalism has adequate limiting principles. It’s just that few people of influence adhere to it. What Emmett Tyrell calls ‘New Age liberalism’ has no limiting principle. It’s fashionable here to slam ‘neocons’, without noticing that the public intellectuals you’re trashing were the people who decided between 1965 and 1980 that it was time to get off the trolley; they did have a limiting principle.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Art Deco

    "I think classical liberalism has adequate limiting principles. It’s just that few people of influence adhere to it."

    The problem is liberalism itself; classical or new-agey, it doesn't matter. Nobody can hang on to any limiting principles when you have discarded absolute principles for truth. Progressivism leads to nihilism then leads to self-destruction.
    https://www.amazon.com/Nihilism-Root-Revolution-Modern-Age/dp/1887904069

  167. What is the limiting principle of classical liberalism? Whatever it was, it didn’t work.

    Neo-conservatism is a joke, and all it took was actual conservative populism to send the neo-cons on their short, happy journey back to the Democratic Party.

  168. Maybe Cali should consider repatriating the valuable SoCal real estate that was stolen from American citizens of Japanese descent during WW2.

  169. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I think classical liberalism has adequate limiting principles. It's just that few people of influence adhere to it. What Emmett Tyrell calls 'New Age liberalism' has no limiting principle. It's fashionable here to slam 'neocons', without noticing that the public intellectuals you're trashing were the people who decided between 1965 and 1980 that it was time to get off the trolley; they did have a limiting principle.

    Replies: @BB753

    “I think classical liberalism has adequate limiting principles. It’s just that few people of influence adhere to it.”

    The problem is liberalism itself; classical or new-agey, it doesn’t matter. Nobody can hang on to any limiting principles when you have discarded absolute principles for truth. Progressivism leads to nihilism then leads to self-destruction.

  170. @Art Deco
    @International Jew

    For awhile at least they could sell digital cameras, but now those are dead too, killed off by the camera in your cell phone.

    I don't think the camera in your phone is a close substitute for the sort of camera that would interest a photography aficionado, any more than an Instamatic would interest a Leica owner.

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad

    I don’t think the camera in your phone is a close substitute for the sort of camera that would interest a photography aficionado, any more than an Instamatic would interest a Leica owner.

    Kodak’s bread and butter was not the “aficionado”, but the mass market.

    And IJ’s right. The mass market is gone. And that’s ok–a great thing–in fact. Photography and display of photography is basically free. Progress.

  171. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Enemy of Earth


    What are the odds ... ?
     
    There are expert US Congressmen who could certainly supply you with that information, EoE.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

    Replies: @Liza

    EOE indeed – Errors and Omissions Excepted. Achmed, how do you manage to find these juicy videos.

    Maybe he was thinking of sinking instead of capsizing/tipping over. As in what’s purportedly occurring in Hong Kong and other large cities.

    Cities around the world are slowly sinking, and it is not just the rising sea levels that they should be worried about. Their colossal weight is also to blame, recent research found, emphasizing the importance of including subsidence into models of climate change.

    According to an article in ESKP, Jakarta was 15 centimeters higher last year than they are now. One reason why they are slowly sinking lies in the enormous groundwater being bumped on the surface that alters the pressure balances underground.

    This could occur unnoticed and may happen rapidly, especially in megacities located in river deltas or near the coast. It could be that this could sink a city by up to 30 centimeters a year at extreme rates.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Liza

    Those sinking cities were built where they shouldn't have been, at least the big tall high-rises shouldn't have been.

    As for Hank Johnson I've got my own jacked-up version of the old axiom that says it all: Never attribute to normal stupidity that which can be explained by extreme, balls-to-the-wall, full-retard stupidity.

    He's a congressman, Liza. That's not an excuse, but it's a good explanation.

    PS: I was writing back to Enemy of Earth, but that EoE could also be Errors of Emissions.

    Replies: @Liza

  172. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Did we actually ever sign a treaty with the Confederacy? Because if not, it may not be too late to do so.

    First, we surrender and concede that it was actually the South that won the Civil War. Next, we tear down all monuments to our fascist Union generals and erase all mention of them from our history and geography. Then, we agree to pay the Confederacy reparations for all the murder, raping and pillaging we did. Plus – and here’s the good part – we return all their illegally appropriated black property to the descendants of their rightful owners.

    Somewhere around 600,000 men died freeing the slaves in America. That’s hundreds of thousands of men who owed the black man nothing. Makes me kind of wonder just who owes whom the reparations.

  173. @HammerJack
    Oh well, since Steve isn't publishing any of my brilliant remarks tonight I might as well have fun.

    The Dems with their state apparatus are still trying to bring down Rep. Matt Goetz. Here's a busy lad:


    https://i.ibb.co/CbQLkpq/221201114009-joel-greenberg-2019-restricted.jpg


    Orlando, Florida CNN — Convicted fraudster Joel Greenberg, who cooperated extensively with the Justice Department’s sex-trafficking probe into GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz, was sentenced Thursday to 11 years in prison by a federal judge in Florida.

    Greenberg, a former Seminole County tax collector, previously pleaded guilty to underage sex trafficking, wire fraud, stalking, identity theft, producing fake ID cards, and conspiring to defraud the US government. He has been in jail since early 2021 and will get some credit for time served.

    “I have never seen a defendant who has committed so many different types of crimes in such a relatively short period,” said district Judge Gregory Presnell, who has been on the federal bench for decades and has sentenced more than 1,000 defendants.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/joel-greenberg-sentencing/index.html


     


    Greenberg’s “brazen” crime spree

    After initially facing 33 counts, Greenberg pleaded guilty in May 2021 to six federal crimes.

    The stalking charge was related to a hoax that Greenberg perpetuated against a teacher who ran against him in 2020, when he was running for re-election as Seminole County tax collector.

    As part of his plea, Greenberg admitted sending letters to the teacher’s school, falsely accusing them of sexual misconduct with a student. He also tried to make the teacher look racist by making fake social media accounts under their name and posting inflammatory material.

    The judge said this was “perhaps the most egregious” of Greenberg’s crimes and said it was “downright evil” to frame the teacher of sexual misconduct. Greenberg apologized to the teacher, Brian Beute, at Thursday’s hearing, and Beute told reporters later that he accepts the apology.

    Greenberg also successfully scammed the Small Business Administration of $430,000 in Covid-19 relief funds by bribing a federal official, according to court filings.

    The wire fraud charge stemmed from Greenberg misusing hundreds of thousands of Florida taxpayer dollars to make personal cryptocurrency investments. He used government equipment to make fake ID cards, and abused his access to a DMV database on his first day in office, according to court filings.
     

    Replies: @Rocko

    Greenberg huh? Seriously, it looks like he’s about to do a hand rub. The memes write themselves

  174. Can’t wait for them to start taking money away from the other minorities for “reparations”. I bet the Mexicans, the Sikhs and the Koreans aren’t going to be happy.

  175. @Liza
    @Achmed E. Newman

    EOE indeed - Errors and Omissions Excepted. Achmed, how do you manage to find these juicy videos.

    Maybe he was thinking of sinking instead of capsizing/tipping over. As in what's purportedly occurring in Hong Kong and other large cities.

    Cities around the world are slowly sinking, and it is not just the rising sea levels that they should be worried about. Their colossal weight is also to blame, recent research found, emphasizing the importance of including subsidence into models of climate change.

    According to an article in ESKP, Jakarta was 15 centimeters higher last year than they are now. One reason why they are slowly sinking lies in the enormous groundwater being bumped on the surface that alters the pressure balances underground.

    This could occur unnoticed and may happen rapidly, especially in megacities located in river deltas or near the coast. It could be that this could sink a city by up to 30 centimeters a year at extreme rates.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Those sinking cities were built where they shouldn’t have been, at least the big tall high-rises shouldn’t have been.

    As for Hank Johnson I’ve got my own jacked-up version of the old axiom that says it all: Never attribute to normal stupidity that which can be explained by extreme, balls-to-the-wall, full-retard stupidity.

    He’s a congressman, Liza. That’s not an excuse, but it’s a good explanation.

    PS: I was writing back to Enemy of Earth, but that EoE could also be Errors of Emissions.

    • Replies: @Liza
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Never attribute to normal stupidity that which can be explained by extreme, balls-to-the-wall, full-retard stupidity.
     
    Ha ha ha! I actually felt sorry for him.
  176. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Liza

    Those sinking cities were built where they shouldn't have been, at least the big tall high-rises shouldn't have been.

    As for Hank Johnson I've got my own jacked-up version of the old axiom that says it all: Never attribute to normal stupidity that which can be explained by extreme, balls-to-the-wall, full-retard stupidity.

    He's a congressman, Liza. That's not an excuse, but it's a good explanation.

    PS: I was writing back to Enemy of Earth, but that EoE could also be Errors of Emissions.

    Replies: @Liza

    Never attribute to normal stupidity that which can be explained by extreme, balls-to-the-wall, full-retard stupidity.

    Ha ha ha! I actually felt sorry for him.

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