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According to a new Pew report, 12% of black residents of the US are now foreign-born immigrants and an additional 9% of blacks have at least one black immigrant parent.

Immigrants tend to prop up overall black statistics: e.g., black immigrants average \$57,200 income per year compared to \$42,000 per year for American-born blacks. And 31% of black immigrants have bachelor’s degrees vs. 22% of American-born blacks.

African immigrants are particularly well-educated with 41% being college graduates, with Nigerians the leaders at 64%.

All this suggests that to figure out what’s going on with descendants of American slaves over the decades, it’s now necessary to subtract out the immigrants.

An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.

 
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  1. Descendants of people who sold slaves do better than people who were sold as slaves?

  2. How the second generation is doing?
    Anecdotally, better than Descendants-of-American-slaves, but some reversion to mean. First-gen parents are strict, old-school Tiger-mom (and dad) types.

    Second gen are, as teenagers, teenagers with strict parents. So as a group, better than teenagers as a group.

    Third gen all bets are off.

    • Thanks: beavertales
    • Replies: @bjdubbs
    @Discordiax

    Second generation often feels debt of gratitude to parents for sacrifices they made. Third gen doesn't.

    , @Brutusale
    @Discordiax

    No, no, no, your logic is decimated by your betters. It's racism.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3846170/

    Or not.

    I know Steve has covered Telles & Ortiz in the past.

    , @PaceLaw
    @Discordiax

    I agree with your assessment Discordiax. What is not mentioned though is the overwhelming dominance of African-American culture on second and third generation blacks. African-American music, TV shows and sports figures dominate pop-culture. TV host Trevor Noah (biracial) has stated how he was enthralled with black culture when he was in South Africa and wanted it to be a part of it when he came to the States. See also Barack Obama who really had zero identification with African-American culture in his native Hawaii but made every effort to inculcate himself in it when he got to Chicago (an African-American wife, a black nationalist church, he identifies as being African American-not biracial-etc.).

    I would imagine that the overwhelming majority of second and third generation blacks don’t even identify with where their parents or grandparents came from but just solely as African-American. For that reason I believe that there will be an aggressive regression to the mean of African-American cultural standards, values and achievement.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Rob
    @Discordiax

    I saw an article once about Nigerians who live in America sending their American-born children to Nigerian boarding schools. Ostensibly they did t for culture, discipline, being in a place where the default is black. One big advantage those kids will have coming to America?

    Accents. We tend to prefer African and Caribbean accents over mumble-mouthed ADOS types whose vocabulary mainly consists of ninja.

    I do wonder though about Americans learning more sophisticated stereotypes about Nigerians. They are a nation of ebony gypsies, so frequent are their scams. I have read that the fraudsters are almost entirely Igbo. The smart ones.

    We hbd-ers tend to focus on IQ. Analytical intelligence is very important and can be semi-objectively measured, but populations differ on every quantitative trait. If a phenotype varies between individuals in one race, it likely has a different mean and standard deviation in various populations.

    IIRC, Nigeria is a middle-income country, no? Google says purchasing power parity per capita income in Nigeria is $5100. That puts it solidly in the not-a-hellhole club of nations. I’d bet that oil is the big driver of the economy, so that means very unequally distributed wealth and income. If I had to guess, I would say the biggest driver of any African economic growth in China. China buys a lot of raw materials, including oil. Whether they buy a lot from Nigeria or not, commodities are sold on a world market. Chinese demand for raw materials coupled with the production of cheap consumer (and maybe industrial?) goods mean Africans are not necessarily in dire poverty.

    The Economy of Nigeria Wikipedia article said Swiss banks are returning money stolen by the last(?) Nigerian dictator. It’d be nice to have some reform in that area. The amount of wealth stolen from Africa s amazing, given the poverty of the non-white Africans. Personally, it would not bother me a bit if African countries repudiated the “national” debts incurred by former rulers. There is such a thing as responsible, ethical lending. If you loaned some African Big Man 500 million to built a 1000 gold-plates stature of muh dick in every village of the country, and Big Man put the debt on the country’s credit card, then you don’t deserve to be paid back. Did lots of rich people buy Nigerian bonds? I look at like the Greek debt incurred when they went on the Euro. Investors were hung-ho to buy Greek debt. The interest rates were quite high. Being on the Euro, Greece could not inflate the drachma to devalue the debt. Investors could not lose! Thing is though, that a country that doesn’t produce anything more advanced than olive oil and cheese is not going to grow at whatever rate it would take for them to actually pay the interest and principal on the debt. Blood? stones? turnips? There’s a saying or two about that sort of thing.

    It’s kind of like Puerto Rico’s debt. The interest rate was too good to pass up. Every big bond buyers guys wanted in. But Puerto Rico cannot service that sort of debt. If it could produce wealth just willy nilly like that, then they would not have borrowed that kind of money in the first place. But the interest rates and tax advantages of bills made “investing” in this third-world island dependency irresistible. The investors need to take a haircut. Responsible lending will happen if the government can just let poor investors take a loss.

    There’s something fishy about big money and government debt. Let’s say the government is going to tax my 1,000 million dollar income at 30%. That’s 300 million dollars. I have a billion freaking dollars a year income! I can hire some lobbyists and suggest-not offering a “deal” - that Senators instrumental in cutting my taxes will have board seats that require 2 weeks of “work” a year for 100k/year. So, the government cut my tax rate to 15%. That’s $150 million/year in my pocket. But the government? Now it has a 150 million dollar hole in the budget! Not a problem, my eternally squabbling two halves of the Duopoly party. I will buy 150 million dollars of government bonds every year. In exchange for this “investment,” you will pay me x% interest a year, then give me my “investment” back when the bonds mature!

    What do rich investors get in exchange for this? Well. Just in this one transaction, government debt increases 150M/year. The government's finances are a mess! How can these irresponsible politicians not run the country like a business? It’s time for some austerity. Universal healthcare? Every single first-world country has this, right? It was too expensive. The government's finances are in such dire straits. Quantitative easing? We can afford that. We can’t afford not to do that. Hard-nosed business realities.

    Instead of paying 150M/year in tax, he gets paid interest on the money that should have gone to the government as tax, plus he gets the 150M when the bonds mature! Whatever comes next after the house of cards collapses, unless it is a Chinese superstate of sino-supermen, then all bets are off. Otherwise, the successor state will not have the laxity and insouciance about debt that “we” have. They will not have the (actually progressive) public education system topped with “independent” institutions that are dependent on the government to pay most of their bills, but they are not the government, so unis don’t have to do things like “not discriminate by race” or “allow free speech” or give students accused of crimes “due process” a 100k or more debt for everyone who wants to join the middle+ class, topped off by a government that owes so much money that no one can see what’s on the other side of the coming crisis. To add insult to injury of student debt, bankers get to collect interest on the federally-guaranteed loans. Zero risk for the banks. Pure profit. Because of Republicans.

    The provisional government will execute businessmen who lobby to goose “growth” today with unpayable bills tomorrow.

    You know that jackass behind the Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin? His take on why Chinese, not just the capitalists, but Joe and Jane Chinaman have seen their lives materially improve over the decades since the Soviets collapsed, often drastically, but despite huge “growth” in the west, Joe Sixpack and Jane Winebox have seen their incomes and living standards drop precipitously. How per capita median income has not declined significantly because people are having fewer children because the resources to raise them are so expensive? Anglin’s answer is simplicity itself.

    China rises and the West is being strangled by the financier class because China does not have Jews.

    Just something to keep in mind. Maybe a few decades of economic populism and nationalism will
    restore some balance to America’s class structure.

    Replies: @Jack D

  3. An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.

    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It’s also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I’ve known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn’t strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn’t seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of ‘hustle’, ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It’s basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it’s on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    I honestly don’t understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as ‘just trying to get a better life’, so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of ‘Hustle’ nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His ‘Off-White’ brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    These guys aren’t even running to buy it for it’s own sake, they’re running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    • Replies: @Hannah Katz
    @Altai

    Like most immigrants, they feel they can live here much like they did in the old country, only at a higher level. They expect their kids to do the same and marry withing their ethnicity, but that rarely works out and then the parents are distraught. Watch "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." Same deal.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Altai


    As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as ‘just trying to get a better life’, so are the people who want immigration restriction.
     
    Good one.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Altai


    As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as ‘just trying to get a better life’, so are the people who want immigration restriction.
     
    That's a great point that I don't I've ever seen anyone make. It's so simple and obvious, and the fact that nobody makes that point shows how far gone America is.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition ...
     

    (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)
     
    As usual, good comment Altai.

    Being "on the bottom" of any society sucks. And not having ethnic groups way more capable--sucking up opportunities--allows for the development of a people.

    These are both among the myriad of reasons one people nations are far superior. (One of the most obvious "lessons of history".)


    However, i will say that nature looms huge here. If the America hierarchy "bottom" was Mexican mestizos the temperature would be much, much lower.

    The size of the "gap"--genetically and culturally--the relative "separation" of overclass and underclass really matters in terms of how unpleasant things are. If the groups are "close enough"--like America's four founding groups and later related immigrant groups--without hard barriers enforcing/fostering separation (ex. Judaism, Islam) then you can roll on, with common language, religion, culture and intermarriage blurring into effective "one peopleism".

    It's simply that the white-black gap in terms of behavior and appearance is so great, and particularly that blacks have such a propensity for oppositional--uncooperative, obnoxious, right up to criminal--behavior--0ppositional behavior that our wonderful minoritarian elites have loudly cheered on--that has made America's "race problem" such unhealable sore.
    , @fish
    @Altai

    So I'm guessing those IKEA employees had that area of concrete waxed just before the store opened?

    , @J1234
    @Altai


    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake
     
    I'm amused by the title of that show. It always makes me think of the Franklin Credit Union scandal (pedophilia, fraud, embezzlement) of 35 years ago. For a brief time in the early '80's I was acquainted with Larry King, the black weirdo who ran Franklin. He named his son "Prince"...I guess as a reference to their surname King. Blacks have an undying obsession with royalty and royal terms.

    Anyway, as to origins of US blacks, how many millions of millions of blacks does the immigrant figures come out to? In such a racist country?

    , @PaceLaw
    @Altai


    I honestly don’t understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too.
     
    I agree with your overall post Altai, but I have to disagree with your above statement. If you know anything about Nigeria at all, then you will definitely understand why the best and brightest from there would want to immigrate to the West. Nigeria is a Third World country with incompetent leadership and total corruption. The rule of law there is not a given. Heck, reliable electricity is not even a given. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/12/blackout-looms-as-5-electricity-towers-collapse-in-lagos/amp/

    As to the price that the children and grandchildren of immigrants have to pay, I believe it’s negligible. Kids generally adapt pretty quickly to the host environment, assuming that they can pick up the local language pretty quickly.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Anonymous

    , @Bill
    @Altai


    I honestly don’t understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society
     
    Right, the US was populated by Europe's sociopaths whose descendants aren't that keen on having it re-populated by the sociopaths of Africa, Asia, and Latin America.
  4. I assume many came from Haiti and Somalia, too. What percentage of the immigrants are on welfare?
    I gather this means the proportion of ADOS to the whole US pop. has fallen, but has the absolute numbers, both mixed and unmixed with immigrants, dropped?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ralph L


    I gather this means the proportion of ADOS to the whole US pop. has fallen, but has the absolute numbers, both mixed and unmixed with immigrants, dropped?
     
    You need to distinguish between ADOS and DOAS.

    Replies: @Jack D

  5. Hard to tell, but my impression is that while the immigrant generation is pretty turned off by black American culture and behavior, the subsequent generation often decides to make use of our society’s obsession with black identity although more as a way to enhance career or status, if not actually doing the most destructive things legacy blacks do (ie crime, out of wedlock births, etc). You don’t have to look very hard to find media figures that have African immigrant backgrounds that have entirely embraced grievance politics – take Karen Attiah of the WaPo whose parents are African (dad a doctor) who flogs the race beat nonstop for example. Or in sports, Emmanuel Acho (former NFL player, current TV host) has multiple books about being black in America despite having Nigerian parents who gave him a middle class upbringing.

    I did have a young woman whose parents were Nigerian immigrants as an intern last year who was basically your typical high performing nerd, with no hint of having adopted any ‘black’ speech patterns, interests or whatever. So maybe there is some hope, although she was more introverted in personality and those that are more extroverted are the most likely to leverage racial politics to their advantage.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @ShowMeState
    @Arclight

    I also have seen this pattern. The 1st Gen are net contributors, which is great, but don't have any scruples about their kids benefitting from AA policies to better their lot. Being foreign perhaps they don't quite realize just how much resentment there is from the majority when we see these things.

    , @HA
    @Arclight

    "I did have a young woman whose parents were Nigerian immigrants as an intern last year who was basically your typical high performing nerd,..."

    I'm guessing a fair number of those come from coastal families who made out pretty well by facilitating the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. And so now, their scions come to take up affirmative action slots and scholarships designed to lift up the very same slaves their families trafficked. Too bad Evelyn Waugh isn't around to do a novel pillorying that, though it would probably get canceled long before anyone agreed to publish it.

    Speaking of which, isn't the word "Trans-Atlantic" offensive to certain protected groups? They're going to need to change that before too long.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  6. Whether your replacements are of higher or lower quality, White Man, White Woman, they are still your replacements.

  7. Sasha and Malia seem to be doing just fine. While they are a special case, I hope that third generation immigrant Africans take them as their role models, rather than other, less savory examples.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @aNewBanner

    Hmm, if these:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10419577/Barack-Obamas-daughters-Malia-Sasha-spotted-Los-Angeles.html

    were my daughters, I would be mighty pissed. Fortunately, you can't pay my son a million dollars to trash walk (or smoke) like these.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Colin Wright
    @aNewBanner

    'Sasha and Malia seem to be doing just fine. While they are a special case, I hope that third generation immigrant Africans take them as their role models, rather than other, less savory examples.'

    I can hope I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be twenty three.

    I doubt if it's going to happen, though.

    Replies: @Meretricious

  8. @Altai

    An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.
     
    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It's also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I've known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn't strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn't seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of 'hustle', ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It's basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it's on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-SnRNJ-aKE

    I honestly don't understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as 'just trying to get a better life', so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of 'Hustle' nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His 'Off-White' brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bQsPj_gUk

    These guys aren't even running to buy it for it's own sake, they're running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Almost Missouri, @OilcanFloyd, @AnotherDad, @fish, @J1234, @PaceLaw, @Bill

    Like most immigrants, they feel they can live here much like they did in the old country, only at a higher level. They expect their kids to do the same and marry withing their ethnicity, but that rarely works out and then the parents are distraught. Watch “My Big Fat Greek Wedding.” Same deal.

  9. The Chinese are behind this. Time to beach a few cargo boats full of African migrants on their shores.

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Not the Chinese. Another people. Hint. Rhymes with few.

  10. It’s why in recent times that black obsessives in the United States have developed the acronym ADOS and the phrase “Foundational Black Americans.” To back out immigrant blacks.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @countenance

    All one has to do is listen to any ADOS that attend an Ivy League or Ivy Like school. The immigrant blacks were their own group and that is in a racial group that is not used to having a large number of cliques.

    , @Arclight
    @countenance

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing - and they are right in that it's good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support. However it's starting to dawn on a few that the newcomers are crowding out ADOS in terms of demographic and electoral significance, and that means it will be easier and easier for their political patrons to ignore them.

    I have made that point here before - while it remains to be seen whether the right manages to capture enough Latino and Asians to have a counterweight to the left's coalition, the changing demographics of the country mean either way black political demands will be much less important in our politics as a whole in the not too distant future. They are already just the 3rd largest demographic and are dead last in economic impact. A dwindling share of white voters are going to be willing to put black concerns front and center, and an even smaller proportion of Latinos and Asians will also.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @teo toon, @Alden, @Anonymous

  11. 21% of African-Americans Are Now of Immigrant Stock

    BLM should explain why all those FreeAtLast! Motherland Negroes are pouring into a structurally racist hell-hole of White privilege.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @Pat Kittle

    They would just say that modern Africa and the modern global economy were also created by white men, which is pretty much true.

  12. But are they all Somalians?

  13. No more Nigerian body-builders, thank you. Signed, Jussie Smollett

    • LOL: Thea
  14. @Discordiax
    How the second generation is doing?
    Anecdotally, better than Descendants-of-American-slaves, but some reversion to mean. First-gen parents are strict, old-school Tiger-mom (and dad) types.

    Second gen are, as teenagers, teenagers with strict parents. So as a group, better than teenagers as a group.

    Third gen all bets are off.

    Replies: @bjdubbs, @Brutusale, @PaceLaw, @Rob

    Second generation often feels debt of gratitude to parents for sacrifices they made. Third gen doesn’t.

  15. My dream policy to troll the woke, has always been import about 2 million Africans with IQs of 115 move to the US and most of our “Kendi” problems go away. Oh suddenly Blacks are doing great, we’ve achieved anti-racism. It’s a Kwanza miracle. 2 Million is raises Black IQ in the us to about 96. Not bad…

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Akash

    Negative or downward assimilation. African culture does the heavy lifting, but WEstern culture plases far more pn inherent self control. Hence, the second and the third generation have progressively worse outcomes. It has already been demonstrated over generations by Mexicans in the US.

    Replies: @George, @Colin Wright

  16. Slightly OT, but big news in WNY where we have four bridges to Canada. The US will now require travellers entering the USA by land to be fully vacinated. Seeing this means Canada and Mexico how funny is this. Wait, oh, only if you cross at a designated land route.

    • Thanks: J.Ross, Achmed E. Newman
  17. @Arclight
    Hard to tell, but my impression is that while the immigrant generation is pretty turned off by black American culture and behavior, the subsequent generation often decides to make use of our society's obsession with black identity although more as a way to enhance career or status, if not actually doing the most destructive things legacy blacks do (ie crime, out of wedlock births, etc). You don't have to look very hard to find media figures that have African immigrant backgrounds that have entirely embraced grievance politics - take Karen Attiah of the WaPo whose parents are African (dad a doctor) who flogs the race beat nonstop for example. Or in sports, Emmanuel Acho (former NFL player, current TV host) has multiple books about being black in America despite having Nigerian parents who gave him a middle class upbringing.

    I did have a young woman whose parents were Nigerian immigrants as an intern last year who was basically your typical high performing nerd, with no hint of having adopted any 'black' speech patterns, interests or whatever. So maybe there is some hope, although she was more introverted in personality and those that are more extroverted are the most likely to leverage racial politics to their advantage.

    Replies: @ShowMeState, @HA

    I also have seen this pattern. The 1st Gen are net contributors, which is great, but don’t have any scruples about their kids benefitting from AA policies to better their lot. Being foreign perhaps they don’t quite realize just how much resentment there is from the majority when we see these things.

  18. I thought we were supposed to quit importing Africans in 1808. WTF…

    • Replies: @Dream
    @Dr. X

    "In the early 1900s, the largest number of black immigrants were English-speaking Caribbeans (West Indians) who settled in the Northeast, mainly in New York City. These immigrants were only 1.3 percent of the NYC population and faced intense racism, but by 1923 they became a 12.7 percent of the city's population."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_immigration_to_New_York_City#History

  19. Population replacement. It’s not just for White Folks.

    Did bl*cks really think the ruling class was on their side and doing them favors?
    Really that stupid?

  20. Holy cow! My guess would have been 10%.
    We are the 3rd world’s doormat. We are their suburb. What idiotic immigration policies we have. Some Africans bring in 5-6 children with them. Somali refugees do. For sure, they start reproducing madly when they get here. Caribbean blacks have been coming here for decades. Most of these immigrant blacks and their offspring are Caribbean. Got loads of Jamaicans and Haitians in my region. I will admit they are not nearly as criminally and anarchistic inclined as entitled American blacks, with their swelled heads, you whiteys owe me reparations one way or another, due to their slave ancestors. At least the man is usually out working with Black immigrants, as the family fiddles and diddles to get on every Gov’t welfare program and subsidized housing.

    Africans coming here are more recent, thankfully their objective is usually Europe. And German women, which have that certain reputation. In the last few years I have read about Congolese getting into America by hook or by crook. The freakin’ Congo Bongo!

    • Replies: @danand
    @Clyde

    "Africans coming here are more recent, thankfully their objective is usually Europe. And German women, who have that certain reputation."

    Germany wants to attract 400,000 skilled workers from abroad each year
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-wants-attract-400000-skilled-workers-abroad-each-year-2022-01-21/

    Germany's worry is who will provide for the upcoming onslaught of retirees; not so much their countries long term prospects/survival.

  21. ” …… A triumph of hope over experience …..”.

  22. 21% of African-Americans Are Now of Immigrant Stock

    That’s nothing, 100% of Harvard’s African-Americans are now of immigrant stock

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    That's not true. A good share of them have Black daddies (who rarely stick around) and white mamas who raised them. The white mamas (like Obama's) can sometimes trace their ancestors all the way back to the Mayflower. The mamas can also be of immigrant stock but not African immigrant stock.

    There is also a small contingent of Talent Tenth ADOS blacks, who typically have a lot of European ancestry as well.

    Then there are the black athletes - these are often genuine ADOS blacks.

    So I would guess that the (Caribbean and African) immigrant (descended) blacks are only maybe half of the total # of blacks at Harvard. Note that they are often American born - it's their parents who are the immigrants in most cases.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

  23. Immigrants tend to prop up overall black statistics:

    You left out the biggest stat: their numbers. Without immigrants the black population would be shrinking very slightly in absolute numbers – their TFR is slightly below replacement rate – and shrinking quite a bit in proportion.

    WRT to guys like Emanuel Acho, he has a point. White Americans apart from the woke crowd really don’t like to be around blacks, for good, bad, and no reason. He has a point. There’s no answer to it. His parents succumbed to clever marketing. The problem in this case is us, not them.

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @Paperback Writer


    You left out the biggest stat: their numbers. Without immigrants the black population would be shrinking very slightly in absolute numbers – their TFR is slightly below replacement rate – and shrinking quite a bit in proportion.
     
    Tell American bl*cks that Whites are headed for minority status, and they apparently expect to be ruling the country when that happens. At least, judging by such public pronouncements that get reported.

    What they will have (in 15 years or so if the plan proceeds) is Whites as the single largest group at 48% or so, and the same very small minority of wealthy nearly all White people in charge.

    And yes, to African Americans, Jews are White. No amount of critical theory pettifogging about the holocaust can change that, let alone White nationalist reasoning to the contrary.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  24. @Altai

    An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.
     
    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It's also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I've known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn't strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn't seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of 'hustle', ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It's basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it's on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-SnRNJ-aKE

    I honestly don't understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as 'just trying to get a better life', so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of 'Hustle' nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His 'Off-White' brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bQsPj_gUk

    These guys aren't even running to buy it for it's own sake, they're running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Almost Missouri, @OilcanFloyd, @AnotherDad, @fish, @J1234, @PaceLaw, @Bill

    As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as ‘just trying to get a better life’, so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Good one.

  25. Will you start monitoring the bloodlines to see if this influx affects Sailer’s Law of Mass Shooting?

    I was pleased to see that this traditional celebration of St King’s day shooting hewed to your truth.

    Black on Black Mass Shooting at MLK Day Party on Martin Luther King Jr. Drive in San Antonio Ends With One Dead, Four Wounded

    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/black-on-black-mass-shooting-at-mlk-day-party-on-martin-luther-king-jr-drive-in-san-antonio-ends-with-one-dead-four-wounded/

  26. I summarized some of the data from the High School Longitudinal Study a few years ago on black children of immigrants versus not (https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2018/07/19/pata-pata-time/ ); one thing that comes across is that there’s an as or more large gender difference for children of immigrants- black female immigrants are basically at the overall (cross-race) mean or slightly higher, while the boys are significantly below, for both test scores (https://spottedtoad.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/standardized.png?w=1024 ) and grades (https://spottedtoad.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/wgpa.png?w=1024 ).

    • Thanks: res
  27. The worst thing about Meat Loaf dying is that Jim Steinman has to die first.

  28. @countenance
    It's why in recent times that black obsessives in the United States have developed the acronym ADOS and the phrase "Foundational Black Americans." To back out immigrant blacks.

    Replies: @guest007, @Arclight

    All one has to do is listen to any ADOS that attend an Ivy League or Ivy Like school. The immigrant blacks were their own group and that is in a racial group that is not used to having a large number of cliques.

  29. 2 of 57 Congressional Black Caucus members (not counting Virgin Islands) are Horn of Africa Americans. ADOS Americans are largely West African ancestry so I find the lack of any West African Americans interesting.

    Ilhan Omar (Somali American) and Joe Neguse (Eritrean-American) are the 2 members of the Congressional Black Caucus with African heritage. Both Omar and Neguse represent majority white districts so perhaps Horn of Africa are considered African-Lite. Pres Obama was also East African American. I wonder if America is ready for a West African American leader?

  30. to figure out what’s going on with descendants of American slaves over the decades

    Why? If at some point, the immigrants and their descendants form the majority, we can learn to ignore the descendants of American slaves as yet another unfortunate consequence of history. We don’t keep crying everyday over the tragedy that befell Native Americans. Everybody is eventually a roadkill on the highway of time.

    • Agree: Right_On
  31. @Paperback Writer

    Immigrants tend to prop up overall black statistics:
     
    You left out the biggest stat: their numbers. Without immigrants the black population would be shrinking very slightly in absolute numbers - their TFR is slightly below replacement rate - and shrinking quite a bit in proportion.

    WRT to guys like Emanuel Acho, he has a point. White Americans apart from the woke crowd really don't like to be around blacks, for good, bad, and no reason. He has a point. There's no answer to it. His parents succumbed to clever marketing. The problem in this case is us, not them.

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

    You left out the biggest stat: their numbers. Without immigrants the black population would be shrinking very slightly in absolute numbers – their TFR is slightly below replacement rate – and shrinking quite a bit in proportion.

    Tell American bl*cks that Whites are headed for minority status, and they apparently expect to be ruling the country when that happens. At least, judging by such public pronouncements that get reported.

    What they will have (in 15 years or so if the plan proceeds) is Whites as the single largest group at 48% or so, and the same very small minority of wealthy nearly all White people in charge.

    And yes, to African Americans, Jews are White. No amount of critical theory pettifogging about the holocaust can change that, let alone White nationalist reasoning to the contrary.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Joe Magarac


    Tell American bl*cks that Whites are headed for minority status, and they apparently expect to be ruling the country when that happens. At least, judging by such public pronouncements that get reported.
     
    This is such crap. Let's unpack it.

    1. Black don't expect to be ruling the country, unless you're talking about such intellectual giants as Ibram Kendi and JoyAnn Reid. I have no idea what Willie Smith from Atlanta thinks. He's probably a bit too shrewd to buy that shit.

    2. I'll bet you in 50 years that 75% of the population looks white. Matt Taibi, Keanu Reeves, Christian Yelich, and Travis d'Arnaud all have Asian ancestry. The ones who are married have white wives. Their descendants will be white. A white person born in 2050 may have fractional Hispanic or Asian ancestry - so what?

    Don't worry about that.

    And yes, to African Americans, Jews are White. No amount of critical theory pettifogging about the holocaust can change that, let alone White nationalist reasoning to the contrary.
     
    I consider white Jews to be white. No amount of alt-right screaming about that can change that.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @J.Ross

  32. @countenance
    It's why in recent times that black obsessives in the United States have developed the acronym ADOS and the phrase "Foundational Black Americans." To back out immigrant blacks.

    Replies: @guest007, @Arclight

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing – and they are right in that it’s good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support. However it’s starting to dawn on a few that the newcomers are crowding out ADOS in terms of demographic and electoral significance, and that means it will be easier and easier for their political patrons to ignore them.

    I have made that point here before – while it remains to be seen whether the right manages to capture enough Latino and Asians to have a counterweight to the left’s coalition, the changing demographics of the country mean either way black political demands will be much less important in our politics as a whole in the not too distant future. They are already just the 3rd largest demographic and are dead last in economic impact. A dwindling share of white voters are going to be willing to put black concerns front and center, and an even smaller proportion of Latinos and Asians will also.

    • LOL: Dream
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Arclight

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing – and they are right in that it’s good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support.

    Doesn't the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: "People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States! Do not believe what you see in Hollywood movies and TV commercials! They are like the propaganda films the Nazis showed Polish Jews that made Auschwitz look like a pleasant community!"

    Just kidding. We know that two things blacks value are a) having access to the societies created by whites and b) being taken seriously when they complain about white people.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Alrenous

    , @teo toon
    @Arclight


    ...while it remains to be seen whether the right manages to capture enough Latino and Asians to have a counterweight to the left’s coalition...
     
    You really mean the Cuck-right; one does not preserve one's culture, society, political order, even nation by bringing in the stranger.

    I can only assume you have learned nothing or that you're still in high school.
    , @Alden
    @Arclight

    I’m afraid the Jewish black coalition will rule America and its cities and metro areas for another 50 years at least.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @Anonymous
    @Arclight

    Seriously, how can you really honestly write that?

    Just cast your mind back a few months ago, if you will, and recall the vast, vast numbers of whites - not just the pink haired idiots - making a big show of ostentatiously 'taking the knee' - an act which can only be described as an act of supplication to the Black God.
    Those whites - they number in the tens of millions - would kill you as soon as look at you if you even *dare* insult their God.

    And I'm not kidding either.

  33. Anonymous[730] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t understand why so many Africans are allowed to immigrate to the US. Even most white Democrats must realize that this isn’t a good idea. Why allow people to come here who are going to be a problem in the future and who will undoubtedly commit crime at a higher rate than all other ethnic groups and who will demand Affirmative Action handouts?

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Anonymous

    Don't underestimate the nihilistic self-hatred of the white liberal.

  34. There is a powerful confluence of factors since there is a strong selection effect among African immigrants but on the other hand these immigrants are mostly 100% African rather than typically 80% African/20% European for ADOS. Interesting to think about how the selection effect versus the European admixture effect plays out over subsequent generations. Perhaps someone can analyze how these play out over generations and make a prediction.

  35. Anon[488] • Disclaimer says:

    How much admixture between the two groups, I wonder? Will it be like an Indian caste system with an invisible hard wall?

    I figure the fourth generation will go full ghetto thug and there won’t be any distinction. To the rest of us they’re all just black, as long as they don’t have a foreign accent, and the second generation will have no accent.

    Very soon all the civil rights organizations will be captured by non-slave descendants. That will be funny.

  36. 21% of African-Americans Are Now of Immigrant Stock

    Contemplate that.

    We have the worst elites in human history.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    By 2050, the nation will be a tower of babel that nobody here will be very comfortable in.

    I see skilled whites starting to head for the exits in the 2030s and 2040's. Nobody white, Asian, Indian, or Latin asked to live in a majority black country. Russia will be about the only choice left for whites.

    Replies: @prosa123

  37. @Arclight
    @countenance

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing - and they are right in that it's good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support. However it's starting to dawn on a few that the newcomers are crowding out ADOS in terms of demographic and electoral significance, and that means it will be easier and easier for their political patrons to ignore them.

    I have made that point here before - while it remains to be seen whether the right manages to capture enough Latino and Asians to have a counterweight to the left's coalition, the changing demographics of the country mean either way black political demands will be much less important in our politics as a whole in the not too distant future. They are already just the 3rd largest demographic and are dead last in economic impact. A dwindling share of white voters are going to be willing to put black concerns front and center, and an even smaller proportion of Latinos and Asians will also.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @teo toon, @Alden, @Anonymous

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing – and they are right in that it’s good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support.

    Doesn’t the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: “People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States! Do not believe what you see in Hollywood movies and TV commercials! They are like the propaganda films the Nazis showed Polish Jews that made Auschwitz look like a pleasant community!”

    Just kidding. We know that two things blacks value are a) having access to the societies created by whites and b) being taken seriously when they complain about white people.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Harry Baldwin

    Harry, nice comment. Inconvenient Truths do not need to be expressed however. Best to keep them to yourself. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @AnotherDad
    @Harry Baldwin


    Doesn’t the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: “People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States!
     
    LOL HB.

    Pretty much all minoritarian narratives and whining are thoroughly debunked by the simple concept of "revealed preference". It's all "i need more access to whitey!". (See Golfocaust, Pale of Settlement.)

    Real oppression in contrast is some form of power enforcing "you must work for me"--slavery, serfdom--or outright guys-with-guns coming for looting, raping, killing. Real oppression is keeping you from going, not keeping you from coming.

    Am i oppressed because the Japanese don't want me plopping my pale white ass in Japan? No. They are not oppressing anyone, they are simply being smart--keeping Japan Japanese for the Japanese.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Libre

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Harry Baldwin


    Doesn’t the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules?
     
    Of course it does to rational people but to the Woke there's always an excuse, which is that America has a great marketing machine. I personally think that there's a grain of truth in that, although they distort wildly.

    The grain of truth is that yeah, blacks & whites occupy two different castes in the US, and black immigrants are unaware of this. I feel rather sorry for them.
    , @Alrenous
    @Harry Baldwin

    Alternatively, they're just lying. Can't wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Having more Africans gives them more votes, so...

  38. @Altai

    An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.
     
    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It's also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I've known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn't strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn't seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of 'hustle', ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It's basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it's on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-SnRNJ-aKE

    I honestly don't understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as 'just trying to get a better life', so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of 'Hustle' nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His 'Off-White' brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bQsPj_gUk

    These guys aren't even running to buy it for it's own sake, they're running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Almost Missouri, @OilcanFloyd, @AnotherDad, @fish, @J1234, @PaceLaw, @Bill

    As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as ‘just trying to get a better life’, so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    That’s a great point that I don’t I’ve ever seen anyone make. It’s so simple and obvious, and the fact that nobody makes that point shows how far gone America is.

  39. I remember from the eighties: I had a temp job at a academic testing company where we graded school kids test from around the country. One of my co-workers was a Nigerian immigrant who was a bureaucrat for the city:he got the job under Affirmative Action; that there were more like him made me realize the city’s step-fathers were overcoming the American Blacks’ low IQ and poor education by hiring low IQ Nigerians.; but still satisfying the AA requirements.

  40. anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:

    Living in the Northeast it seems like a very substantial portion of blacks I now encounter have foreign accents. They all must be masochists who have decided to immigrate to this anti-black hellhole full of white supremacists and systemic racism, as CNN is so fond of reminding us!

    Seriously though, why we need Moar Blax! when the ones we already have are wildly over-represented in the crime statistics, are net-tax consumers (as a group), will deprive more qualified whites (and asians) of slots in colleges, job hirings and promotions and will be overwhelmingly tribal in their politics and outlook, constantly screeching about “racism” “discrimination,” etc. is beyond me.
    If you don’t believe me, Eric Holder, Colin Powell and Barack Obama are all here due to their forebearers voluntarily moving to this supposedly racist hellhole (they’re not descendants of American slaves), but have been conspicuously hostile to the interests of the white majority that generously let their forebearers in.

    As for the claim “Oh, we’re mostly getting the bright(er) ones,” may I remind everyone of the phenomenon of Regression to the Mean when it comes to IQ.
    As per the Bell Curve, children of high income (and presumably high IQ) blacks perform no better, on tests of cognitive ability, than the children of poor whites.

    As to the How and Why of this recent surge in immigrant blacks, look no further than the Immigration Act of 1990 and its Diversity Visa Lottery. Highly tribalized black congressman John Conyers of MI
    was strongly opposed to ending the lottery for this very reason.
    Who signed the Teddy Kennedy’s Immigration Act of 1990 into law even though it didn’t pass with a veto-proof majority in the House?
    Globalist cuckservative president George HW Bush.
    Fast forward to circa 2015-2020, Donlad Trump repeatedly called the Visa a “disaster” but didn’t do a damn thing to stop it.
    Oh and I know all about Paul Ryan the obstructionist and how Trump lost control of congress in 2018, but he could’ve suspended this abomination thru executive order, literally the day after SCOTUS upheld the “Muslim travel ban” and the president’s ability to suspend entry to aliens he felt were detrimental to the interests of the US.

  41. @Discordiax
    How the second generation is doing?
    Anecdotally, better than Descendants-of-American-slaves, but some reversion to mean. First-gen parents are strict, old-school Tiger-mom (and dad) types.

    Second gen are, as teenagers, teenagers with strict parents. So as a group, better than teenagers as a group.

    Third gen all bets are off.

    Replies: @bjdubbs, @Brutusale, @PaceLaw, @Rob

    No, no, no, your logic is decimated by your betters. It’s racism.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3846170/

    Or not.

    I know Steve has covered Telles & Ortiz in the past.

  42. @Arclight
    @countenance

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing - and they are right in that it's good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support. However it's starting to dawn on a few that the newcomers are crowding out ADOS in terms of demographic and electoral significance, and that means it will be easier and easier for their political patrons to ignore them.

    I have made that point here before - while it remains to be seen whether the right manages to capture enough Latino and Asians to have a counterweight to the left's coalition, the changing demographics of the country mean either way black political demands will be much less important in our politics as a whole in the not too distant future. They are already just the 3rd largest demographic and are dead last in economic impact. A dwindling share of white voters are going to be willing to put black concerns front and center, and an even smaller proportion of Latinos and Asians will also.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @teo toon, @Alden, @Anonymous

    …while it remains to be seen whether the right manages to capture enough Latino and Asians to have a counterweight to the left’s coalition…

    You really mean the Cuck-right; one does not preserve one’s culture, society, political order, even nation by bringing in the stranger.

    I can only assume you have learned nothing or that you’re still in high school.

  43. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    21% of African-Americans Are Now of Immigrant Stock
     
    Contemplate that.

    We have the worst elites in human history.

    Replies: @Anon

    By 2050, the nation will be a tower of babel that nobody here will be very comfortable in.

    I see skilled whites starting to head for the exits in the 2030s and 2040’s. Nobody white, Asian, Indian, or Latin asked to live in a majority black country. Russia will be about the only choice left for whites.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Anon

    By 2050, the nation will be a tower of babel that nobody here will be very comfortable in.

    Many of the people here won't be here, period, in 2050.

  44. @Harry Baldwin
    @Arclight

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing – and they are right in that it’s good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support.

    Doesn't the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: "People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States! Do not believe what you see in Hollywood movies and TV commercials! They are like the propaganda films the Nazis showed Polish Jews that made Auschwitz look like a pleasant community!"

    Just kidding. We know that two things blacks value are a) having access to the societies created by whites and b) being taken seriously when they complain about white people.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Alrenous

    Harry, nice comment. Inconvenient Truths do not need to be expressed however. Best to keep them to yourself. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Buffalo Joe

    If you can't make it here, you can't make it anywhere. Obviously we get tons of immigrants because they believe they can materially improve their lives and often do - but the flipside that no one wants to talk about is that for whatever our faults we have the best environment for upward mobility for those with some brains and desire to work hard, we have a very large class of people that simply do not get ahead at all despite a multi-generational presence in this country.

    It's popular to blame structural conditions imposed by society, but a bit of introspection would identify some pretty obvious structural barriers that are self imposed.

  45. @Buffalo Joe
    @Harry Baldwin

    Harry, nice comment. Inconvenient Truths do not need to be expressed however. Best to keep them to yourself. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Arclight

    If you can’t make it here, you can’t make it anywhere. Obviously we get tons of immigrants because they believe they can materially improve their lives and often do – but the flipside that no one wants to talk about is that for whatever our faults we have the best environment for upward mobility for those with some brains and desire to work hard, we have a very large class of people that simply do not get ahead at all despite a multi-generational presence in this country.

    It’s popular to blame structural conditions imposed by society, but a bit of introspection would identify some pretty obvious structural barriers that are self imposed.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  46. @Altai

    An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.
     
    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It's also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I've known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn't strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn't seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of 'hustle', ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It's basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it's on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-SnRNJ-aKE

    I honestly don't understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as 'just trying to get a better life', so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of 'Hustle' nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His 'Off-White' brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bQsPj_gUk

    These guys aren't even running to buy it for it's own sake, they're running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Almost Missouri, @OilcanFloyd, @AnotherDad, @fish, @J1234, @PaceLaw, @Bill

    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition …

    (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    As usual, good comment Altai.

    Being “on the bottom” of any society sucks. And not having ethnic groups way more capable–sucking up opportunities–allows for the development of a people.

    These are both among the myriad of reasons one people nations are far superior. (One of the most obvious “lessons of history”.)

    However, i will say that nature looms huge here. If the America hierarchy “bottom” was Mexican mestizos the temperature would be much, much lower.

    The size of the “gap”–genetically and culturally–the relative “separation” of overclass and underclass really matters in terms of how unpleasant things are. If the groups are “close enough”–like America’s four founding groups and later related immigrant groups–without hard barriers enforcing/fostering separation (ex. Judaism, Islam) then you can roll on, with common language, religion, culture and intermarriage blurring into effective “one peopleism”.

    It’s simply that the white-black gap in terms of behavior and appearance is so great, and particularly that blacks have such a propensity for oppositional–uncooperative, obnoxious, right up to criminal–behavior–0ppositional behavior that our wonderful minoritarian elites have loudly cheered on–that has made America’s “race problem” such unhealable sore.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
  47. Probably still the incredible reality that ONE white African immigrant has created more wealth than all to rest of black African immigrants combined. It is not a good deal for the US anyway. A college educated African is unlikely to have a degree in ethnic studies even if he got his degree in the US so the immigrant is likely to get hired over an American negro simply because they are less likely to be asobnoxious or as dangerous and for every Colin Powell West Indian immigrant there will be a lot more drug dealing gun wielding Jamaicans or Trinidadians than we need.

    Paul Kersey had an interesting story about a Jamaican immigrant arrested for murdering a light skinned Puerto Rican female employee at a Harlem Burger King. As police took him into custody the negro immigrant began shrieking at a crowd of Puerto Ricans about the 400 years of slavery he had endured and did Latinos want a ”war” with negroes? American negroism is more contagious than covid and there is no vaccine for it so quarantining white America from negroes no matter where they come from seems to be necessary for Public Health reasons.

  48. And 31% of black immigrants have bachelor’s degrees vs. 22% of American-born blacks.

    Both numbers seem quite impressive.

    Growing up in England a long time ago, around 1970 about 8% of the age group cohort of almost exclusively white students was attending all forms of higher education, and about 4% getting bachelor’s degrees, though this rapidly increased to about 15% by 1980 with the rapid expansion of the universities and technical colleges.

    Then take into account that the US has the 2-year associate degrees that are mainly vocational in nature, and one would imagine that the number of US born black degree holders would probably be doubled if they were included, since 4-year bachelor’s degrees are much more expensive and relatively few blacks can afford to take 4 years out of the workforce to study, so when they do obtain bachelor degrees it is often over a period of several years while working.

    Statistics shown on various Web sites seem to be all over the place, but this information from the Census is interesting, in that it represents 88% of blacks being high school graduates in 2020 vs only 7% in 1940, suggesting that the generations of under-educated baby-boomer blacks must be dying out and being replaced by generations with more educational diplomas and certificates.

  49. anon[141] • Disclaimer says:

    A Nigerian immigrant kid at a local high school campaigned to have the school drop Huck Finn from the reading list, and it became her ticket to get into Stanford, even with middling grades. Her dad went to Princeton.

    Later in her senior year, a white girl invited a white boy to a school dance with a sign that she made after seeing it on Pinterest, something along the line of “Instead of picking cotton, I picked you.” Her sister then took a picture of her with the boy before the dance and shared it on Instagram. All hell broke lose. The picture went viral. She immediately apologized, clarified she thought it was a cute joke, had multiple classmates vouched for her that she is not at all a racist person. No matter. The angry Twitter mob descended on her, death threats followed. The vindictive activist stupid school principal called both the girl and the boy’s colleges and got their college acceptances rescinded. And the Nigerian girl (and a Korean boy) were shown on local TV leading a school protest on “racism”, megaphone in hand. The activist masquerading as an educator principal allowed kids to walk out on classes to join the protest as an “excused absence”. The poor girl was so distraught she ended up in the hospital for a week on suicide watch. The family moved away before she even graduated from high school. Both of the kids had their future taken away from them for an innocent though poor attempt at a joke.

    This is yet another example of what Amy Wax meant when she said we have become a vengeful, punitive society.

    These new African immigrants(mostly from Nigeria and Ghana) are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. They’re the ones who get into elite colleges and work at elite companies, not the blacks who are descendants of slaves. And if you think that makes them more grateful to America and less subjected to the victimhood indoctrination, think again. They are now the leading voices on black oppression.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @anon


    The vindictive activist stupid school principal called both the girl and the boy’s colleges and got their college acceptances rescinded.
     
    This sort of thing is going to lead to violence.
  50. @Arclight
    @countenance

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing - and they are right in that it's good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support. However it's starting to dawn on a few that the newcomers are crowding out ADOS in terms of demographic and electoral significance, and that means it will be easier and easier for their political patrons to ignore them.

    I have made that point here before - while it remains to be seen whether the right manages to capture enough Latino and Asians to have a counterweight to the left's coalition, the changing demographics of the country mean either way black political demands will be much less important in our politics as a whole in the not too distant future. They are already just the 3rd largest demographic and are dead last in economic impact. A dwindling share of white voters are going to be willing to put black concerns front and center, and an even smaller proportion of Latinos and Asians will also.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @teo toon, @Alden, @Anonymous

    I’m afraid the Jewish black coalition will rule America and its cities and metro areas for another 50 years at least.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Alden

    I don't discount the fact that there are probably a dozen large cities in the Rust Belt to the mid-Atlantic where black voters will remain a major force for decades to come (I live in one). However, the impact on the country's broader culture and politics will wane over time because the growing Latino and Asian populations are not going to lie down as readily as left of center whites have.

    That said, it's going to take quite awhile before education, media, and popular entertainment moves off its blacks uber alles position.

  51. @Altai

    An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.
     
    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It's also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I've known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn't strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn't seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of 'hustle', ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It's basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it's on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-SnRNJ-aKE

    I honestly don't understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as 'just trying to get a better life', so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of 'Hustle' nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His 'Off-White' brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bQsPj_gUk

    These guys aren't even running to buy it for it's own sake, they're running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Almost Missouri, @OilcanFloyd, @AnotherDad, @fish, @J1234, @PaceLaw, @Bill

    So I’m guessing those IKEA employees had that area of concrete waxed just before the store opened?

  52. @Harry Baldwin
    @Arclight

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing – and they are right in that it’s good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support.

    Doesn't the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: "People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States! Do not believe what you see in Hollywood movies and TV commercials! They are like the propaganda films the Nazis showed Polish Jews that made Auschwitz look like a pleasant community!"

    Just kidding. We know that two things blacks value are a) having access to the societies created by whites and b) being taken seriously when they complain about white people.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Alrenous

    Doesn’t the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: “People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States!

    LOL HB.

    Pretty much all minoritarian narratives and whining are thoroughly debunked by the simple concept of “revealed preference”. It’s all “i need more access to whitey!”. (See Golfocaust, Pale of Settlement.)

    Real oppression in contrast is some form of power enforcing “you must work for me”–slavery, serfdom–or outright guys-with-guns coming for looting, raping, killing. Real oppression is keeping you from going, not keeping you from coming.

    Am i oppressed because the Japanese don’t want me plopping my pale white ass in Japan? No. They are not oppressing anyone, they are simply being smart–keeping Japan Japanese for the Japanese.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    They say that intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in your head simultaneously.

    Is it possible that for black Africans , even though "systemic racism" exists in America and it is not a paradise for blacks ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house), conditions here are better than they are in their home country? Conditions in America don't need to be perfect, only better, in order for people to want to come here.

    As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose). When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel, was this minoritarian whining or their desire to have the same rights as other Americans?

    "Minoritarian whining" takes as its starting point the assumption that the country "belongs" exclusively to the majority and that minorities are "guests" who can stay only according to the whims of the "real" owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their "guest" status.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Some Guy, @Houston 1992, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    , @Libre
    @AnotherDad

    Unfortunately they are accepting quite a number of foreigners lately judging by all the YouTubers who reside there, and seems you can just marry into residency at least

  53. @Almost Missouri

    21% of African-Americans Are Now of Immigrant Stock
     
    That's nothing, 100% of Harvard's African-Americans are now of immigrant stock

    Replies: @Jack D

    That’s not true. A good share of them have Black daddies (who rarely stick around) and white mamas who raised them. The white mamas (like Obama’s) can sometimes trace their ancestors all the way back to the Mayflower. The mamas can also be of immigrant stock but not African immigrant stock.

    There is also a small contingent of Talent Tenth ADOS blacks, who typically have a lot of European ancestry as well.

    Then there are the black athletes – these are often genuine ADOS blacks.

    So I would guess that the (Caribbean and African) immigrant (descended) blacks are only maybe half of the total # of blacks at Harvard. Note that they are often American born – it’s their parents who are the immigrants in most cases.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Jack D

    Hey Jack, you must mean Harvard students/alums like Gabby Thomas. She’s a star athlete and comes from an African-American/Jamaican background (she’s also easy on the eyes. Lol!). She’s light enough to make you wonder how much white ancestry she has.
    https://www.blackenterprise.com/gabby-thomas-makes-history-as-the-fastest-harvard-educated-epidemiologist-in-the-world/amp/

    I have to do disagree with your point though that the immigrant-descended blacks are no more than 50% of the students at Harvard. Something tells me it’s probably closer to 75 to 90%. You mentioned the Talented Tenth of ADOS. If I am not mistaken that term came from WEB Du Bois back in the 1920s. I believe the Talented Tenth has shrunk drastically to maybe the Talented Third. African American culture overwhelmingly does not value higher education (it almost seems contemptuous of it), especially at the hyper-competitive level of Ivy League schools; therefore if the schools do not want to drop their standards but so much they will be bringing in immigrant-descended blacks to keep their quotas at an acceptable level.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Jack D, @John Milton’s Ghost

  54. No matter what you believe about nature and nurture, I think we should all agree that breaking the cycle of African American ghetto culture would be a good thing.

  55. Paperback writer brought up above the main point – this just brings the numbers of black people higher no matter where from or when they came. It’s not a good thing! It’s not from TV (in which I gather one could assume the country is 2/3 black), but my own eyes tell me the numbers are growing, including looks at map data. I don’t believe completely that 13%, is what I’m trying to say.

    Then, violence aside just for a bit, at least at the convenience store, I can understand the American black guy. (OK, I had to take Rosetta Stone Ebonics first.) This country is a Tower of Babel now and Ghanans, Nigerians, Somalians, and Senegalese ain’t making it better. The damn ticket agent at the small airport terminal, for crying out loud, might be a smart and hardworking girl, but I couldn’t understand a freaking word she said! (It didn’t help that she had the required face diaper on…)

    • Replies: @Libre
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That happened to me last year with a Hispanic cashier mumbling behind a facediaper. Couldn't understand her at all and she almost screwed up my order.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It’s not from TV (in which I gather one could assume the country is 2/3 black), but my own eyes tell me the numbers are growing, including looks at map data. I don’t believe completely that 13%, is what I’m trying to say.
     
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/183489/population-of-the-us-by-ethnicity-since-2000/e.

    Black #s are not going up by that much. I invite you to look around - but everything I read says that Af-Am TFR is a bit below replacement rate. Look it up yourself.
  56. They need to be legally distinguished. Slave descendant blacks can get special accommodations or whatever, no one else.

  57. @AnotherDad
    @Harry Baldwin


    Doesn’t the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: “People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States!
     
    LOL HB.

    Pretty much all minoritarian narratives and whining are thoroughly debunked by the simple concept of "revealed preference". It's all "i need more access to whitey!". (See Golfocaust, Pale of Settlement.)

    Real oppression in contrast is some form of power enforcing "you must work for me"--slavery, serfdom--or outright guys-with-guns coming for looting, raping, killing. Real oppression is keeping you from going, not keeping you from coming.

    Am i oppressed because the Japanese don't want me plopping my pale white ass in Japan? No. They are not oppressing anyone, they are simply being smart--keeping Japan Japanese for the Japanese.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Libre

    They say that intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in your head simultaneously.

    Is it possible that for black Africans , even though “systemic racism” exists in America and it is not a paradise for blacks ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house), conditions here are better than they are in their home country? Conditions in America don’t need to be perfect, only better, in order for people to want to come here.

    As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose). When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel, was this minoritarian whining or their desire to have the same rights as other Americans?

    “Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their “guest” status.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Russian serfs lived where they chose? Really?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Some Guy
    @Jack D


    When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel
     
    The ghetto is "the ghetto" because black people live there though, it's not cursed land. They could probably have even bought up land and created entire black cities if they were inclined to.

    And were blacks prevented from creating the own hotels in their own neighborhoods? What's unfair about whites being with whites and blacks being with blacks? The fact that black neighborhoods and hotels are not as good is not white people's fault.

    , @Houston 1992
    @Jack D

    RE the Russian military draft
    I thought Jews as a community could decide who was drafted rather than the Russian state. The Jewish community selected members until their quota was reached .The Volga Germans lost their draft exemption ,I think , around 1860. I thought that the Jews maintained their privilege until ww1.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    “Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country.
     
    Who a nation "belongs" to is an interesting and important question. But i think the reasonable answer is that it belongs to the people who sustain and maintain it as a nation. I.e. if some group leaves and the nation struggles or is no longer essentially the same nation--then it is their nation. If another group leaves and the nation is still there, still functioning, still essentially the same nation, then it is not their nation.

    But we don't even have to have resolution on that question to deal with Jewish minoritarian whining.

    I'm--obviously--no expert on the Pale, but my understanding is if a Jew in the Pale wanted to move to Russia, they were supposed to Russify--speak Russian and adopt Orthodoxy. In other words, if they wanted to live in Russia, they should be a Russian. The horror! (My understanding is also that of course there were all sorts of loopholes so in practice there were in fact Jews all over Russia.) (If your point is that the Pale should not have been under the control of Russia, but rather a bunch of independent nations of the people there, i agree. I'm against empire. I'm for republican self-government. Suffice it to say that is not that actual Jewish complaint.)

    On America though my understanding is clear: Unlike blacks, Jews always had all the same civil rights as any other American. Nonetheless, you've managed to whine about some Lutheran or Catholic neighborhoods in Minneapolis in 1940 that kept out Jews to keep themselves ... Lutheran or Catholic! Private choices about whom to associate with. God forbid that Lutherans or Catholics would find it amenable to live around other Lutherans or other Catholics. I can't think of any other group which shows such repugnant tribalism.

    This Golfocaust style Jewish whining is the core of minoritarianism: the demand that the majority must not be allowed to look after their ethnic interests, while minorities (i.e. Jews) are free to look after their ethnic interests. No such moral or ethical principle exists. (BTW: as Steve's pointed out the Jews country clubs still exist, still discriminate.)

    As long as Jewish minoritarianism keeps being spouted--rubbed in our faces--i'll keep pointing out the truth. Jews chose tribalism/separatism. Every other tribe in Europe Christianized and melted in with neighbors eventually allowing the formation of these cohesive trust-at-scale nation states that brought on modernity. Basically only the Jews and the Gypsies rejected that and insisted to live among other people but refuse to integrate with them. But if you behave as a separate tribe ... then you'll be treated as ... a separate tribe. How the gentiles react to your tribalism is entirely up to them. (Refusing to associate at all would be perfectly legitimate and reasonable.) What Jews label as "anti-Semitism" is mostly just gentiles treating Jews as a separate tribe, which Jews have chosen--insisted--on being.

    I know this is a deep affront to the Jewish psyche. Jews feel entitled to middle man gentiles. But there is no Jewish--or minority--"right of access" to white gentiles. No such right exists. No matter how much it annoys you, we are not your serfs.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon, @Paperback Writer

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose)...'

    Considering serfdom only ended in 1862, that would be a decidedly narrow window within which most others could move about but Jews couldn't.

    Also, the Pale really was pretty big. You sure the restriction was all that onerous?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '“Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their “guest” status...'

    With reference to Imperial Russia, the Jews weren't treated as you imply. They were regarded as entirely entitled to reside within the areas they had long resided in; that's what the Pale was.

    The Imperial Russian government was merely leery of them moving into Russia proper -- and bringing with them all the ills that were so manifest in the Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, and rest of the territories lying within the Pale.

    If one thinks of the Tsarist state as an empire rather than a country, then the Russian position becomes no more unreasonable than Britain declining to allow Nigerians to move from Nigeria to Britain. There was no natural law that said that merely because the Tsars had acquired a region, they were obliged to allow the inhabitants of that region to move to Russia proper.

    You're perceiving some massive injustice where there wasn't one. So the Jews were confined to the Pale. Hey: on the bright side, they weren't serfs. They weren't confined to the estate of their master.

    Replies: @Jack D

  58. @AnotherDad
    @Harry Baldwin


    Doesn’t the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: “People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States!
     
    LOL HB.

    Pretty much all minoritarian narratives and whining are thoroughly debunked by the simple concept of "revealed preference". It's all "i need more access to whitey!". (See Golfocaust, Pale of Settlement.)

    Real oppression in contrast is some form of power enforcing "you must work for me"--slavery, serfdom--or outright guys-with-guns coming for looting, raping, killing. Real oppression is keeping you from going, not keeping you from coming.

    Am i oppressed because the Japanese don't want me plopping my pale white ass in Japan? No. They are not oppressing anyone, they are simply being smart--keeping Japan Japanese for the Japanese.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Libre

    Unfortunately they are accepting quite a number of foreigners lately judging by all the YouTubers who reside there, and seems you can just marry into residency at least

  59. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    They say that intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in your head simultaneously.

    Is it possible that for black Africans , even though "systemic racism" exists in America and it is not a paradise for blacks ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house), conditions here are better than they are in their home country? Conditions in America don't need to be perfect, only better, in order for people to want to come here.

    As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose). When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel, was this minoritarian whining or their desire to have the same rights as other Americans?

    "Minoritarian whining" takes as its starting point the assumption that the country "belongs" exclusively to the majority and that minorities are "guests" who can stay only according to the whims of the "real" owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their "guest" status.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Some Guy, @Houston 1992, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    Russian serfs lived where they chose? Really?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    The serfs were liberated in 1861. The Pale of Settlement lasted until the downfall of the Czarist government in 1917.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright

  60. @Achmed E. Newman
    Paperback writer brought up above the main point - this just brings the numbers of black people higher no matter where from or when they came. It's not a good thing! It's not from TV (in which I gather one could assume the country is 2/3 black), but my own eyes tell me the numbers are growing, including looks at map data. I don't believe completely that 13%, is what I'm trying to say.

    Then, violence aside just for a bit, at least at the convenience store, I can understand the American black guy. (OK, I had to take Rosetta Stone Ebonics first.) This country is a Tower of Babel now and Ghanans, Nigerians, Somalians, and Senegalese ain't making it better. The damn ticket agent at the small airport terminal, for crying out loud, might be a smart and hardworking girl, but I couldn't understand a freaking word she said! (It didn't help that she had the required face diaper on...)

    Replies: @Libre, @Paperback Writer

    That happened to me last year with a Hispanic cashier mumbling behind a facediaper. Couldn’t understand her at all and she almost screwed up my order.

  61. My sister and her late husband lived in a southern university town. She taught high school and he taught at the university. They both agreed that the African students, who were mostly children of university parents, did not like and did not associate with American black students. The Africans deemed the American blacks as stupid and “low class” so they made friends with each other and with white students.

  62. What was that what Einstein said about the definition of insanity being doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result?

  63. Anonymous[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    @countenance

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing - and they are right in that it's good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support. However it's starting to dawn on a few that the newcomers are crowding out ADOS in terms of demographic and electoral significance, and that means it will be easier and easier for their political patrons to ignore them.

    I have made that point here before - while it remains to be seen whether the right manages to capture enough Latino and Asians to have a counterweight to the left's coalition, the changing demographics of the country mean either way black political demands will be much less important in our politics as a whole in the not too distant future. They are already just the 3rd largest demographic and are dead last in economic impact. A dwindling share of white voters are going to be willing to put black concerns front and center, and an even smaller proportion of Latinos and Asians will also.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @teo toon, @Alden, @Anonymous

    Seriously, how can you really honestly write that?

    Just cast your mind back a few months ago, if you will, and recall the vast, vast numbers of whites – not just the pink haired idiots – making a big show of ostentatiously ‘taking the knee’ – an act which can only be described as an act of supplication to the Black God.
    Those whites – they number in the tens of millions – would kill you as soon as look at you if you even *dare* insult their God.

    And I’m not kidding either.

  64. Quite an Igbominious statistic for the ADOS.

  65. And this is just recent immigrants. Many of the black kids at my college in the 1980s came from immigrant parents from places like Haiti or Nigeria. So if you go back two or three generations, you might find the percentages are even higher.

    Of course the parents in Haiti may have ancestors who were enslaved in Haiti, but I’m guessing the Nigerians or Ghanians have zero slaves in their family trees.

  66. @Discordiax
    How the second generation is doing?
    Anecdotally, better than Descendants-of-American-slaves, but some reversion to mean. First-gen parents are strict, old-school Tiger-mom (and dad) types.

    Second gen are, as teenagers, teenagers with strict parents. So as a group, better than teenagers as a group.

    Third gen all bets are off.

    Replies: @bjdubbs, @Brutusale, @PaceLaw, @Rob

    I agree with your assessment Discordiax. What is not mentioned though is the overwhelming dominance of African-American culture on second and third generation blacks. African-American music, TV shows and sports figures dominate pop-culture. TV host Trevor Noah (biracial) has stated how he was enthralled with black culture when he was in South Africa and wanted it to be a part of it when he came to the States. See also Barack Obama who really had zero identification with African-American culture in his native Hawaii but made every effort to inculcate himself in it when he got to Chicago (an African-American wife, a black nationalist church, he identifies as being African American-not biracial-etc.).

    I would imagine that the overwhelming majority of second and third generation blacks don’t even identify with where their parents or grandparents came from but just solely as African-American. For that reason I believe that there will be an aggressive regression to the mean of African-American cultural standards, values and achievement.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @PaceLaw


    What is not mentioned though is the overwhelming dominance of African-American culture on second and third generation blacks.
     
    In other words, they assimilate. But, as America has always been diverse, there are a lot of Americas into which to assimilate. Still, as bad as this is, do you really want them to meld into traditional white America-- i.e., marry your daughter? Hip-hop Liberians are the lesser of the two evils.

    Some groups might be able to resist such assimilation, being more inwardly focused. Somalis are a prime example. We have seen this with the Amish and black-hat Jews.
  67. @Arclight
    Hard to tell, but my impression is that while the immigrant generation is pretty turned off by black American culture and behavior, the subsequent generation often decides to make use of our society's obsession with black identity although more as a way to enhance career or status, if not actually doing the most destructive things legacy blacks do (ie crime, out of wedlock births, etc). You don't have to look very hard to find media figures that have African immigrant backgrounds that have entirely embraced grievance politics - take Karen Attiah of the WaPo whose parents are African (dad a doctor) who flogs the race beat nonstop for example. Or in sports, Emmanuel Acho (former NFL player, current TV host) has multiple books about being black in America despite having Nigerian parents who gave him a middle class upbringing.

    I did have a young woman whose parents were Nigerian immigrants as an intern last year who was basically your typical high performing nerd, with no hint of having adopted any 'black' speech patterns, interests or whatever. So maybe there is some hope, although she was more introverted in personality and those that are more extroverted are the most likely to leverage racial politics to their advantage.

    Replies: @ShowMeState, @HA

    “I did have a young woman whose parents were Nigerian immigrants as an intern last year who was basically your typical high performing nerd,…”

    I’m guessing a fair number of those come from coastal families who made out pretty well by facilitating the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. And so now, their scions come to take up affirmative action slots and scholarships designed to lift up the very same slaves their families trafficked. Too bad Evelyn Waugh isn’t around to do a novel pillorying that, though it would probably get canceled long before anyone agreed to publish it.

    Speaking of which, isn’t the word “Trans-Atlantic” offensive to certain protected groups? They’re going to need to change that before too long.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @HA

    The Nigerian immigrant kids are a convenient loophole for elite schools looking to fulfill AA quotas because they mix the right test scores and resumes with the skin color needed. The irony of them being the descendants of those who sold the slaves to the Europeans in the first place is quietly swept under the rug.

    Replies: @Arclight

  68. > ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house),

    So, I’ve met a handful of Africans in high-octane STEM places: FAANG, finance, etc.
    None of them mentioned this happening, and this was all during the great awokening when there was an incentive in corporate America to doing so. Of course, Aspergery STEM geeks will be Aspergery STEM geeks regardless of race, so you can’t read too much into this, but there’s a world-wide Nigerian diaspora in Europe and Asia. I think they are aware that the US acquits itself unusually well in how people are treated on their merits as ordinary human beings. This applies as much to not being treated as an exotic, to-be-pitied curiosity in Europe as it does to being treated with suspicion and occasionally worse in places like China or Malaysia.

    (In general, consensus seemed to be among immigrant dudes in general that Americans might be less PC on the surface, but are far more willing to actually accept you as one of them than Europeans. You can “become” American, whereas you are always an outsider in Europe.)

    A few of them did mention their thoughts on political events during the Floyd period in particular. To a man, they all stated something to the effect that black Americans were their really own separate race, with their own cultural thing going on: put another way, they might as well have been Mexican or Jewish or Chinese to them. This… really should not be surprising, if you look at the history of the circumstances under which Africans arrived under alone. But beyond that, despite being one of the two traditional big elephants in the room when it comes assimilation into the American mainstream-along with natives. Nevertheless, there was an “Americanization” among slaves that didn’t have an analogue elsewhere in the New World, like Brazil or Colombia.

    >As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose).

    They were at the bottom of a de facto caste system. The late Tsarist state was having an increasingly antagonistic relationship with many of its non-Orthodox ethnic minorities as heavy-handed Russification policies were enacted, but the Jews were the only ones that the Okhrana labeled “anti-human”. It’s interesting to see how much of the early Nazi stuff on anti-Semitism was brought by Russo-Germans and White Russians in 1919: the kind of eliminationist stuff that wasn’t common even on the right in Central Europe before WWI.

    The heavy presence of Jews within revolutionary terrorist movements was a direct result of this, naturally. No less a figure than Pyotr Stolypin-who would be assassinated by a Jewish Okhrana agent moonlighting as an SR-pointed out.

  69. @Altai

    An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.
     
    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It's also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I've known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn't strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn't seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of 'hustle', ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It's basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it's on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-SnRNJ-aKE

    I honestly don't understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as 'just trying to get a better life', so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of 'Hustle' nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His 'Off-White' brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bQsPj_gUk

    These guys aren't even running to buy it for it's own sake, they're running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Almost Missouri, @OilcanFloyd, @AnotherDad, @fish, @J1234, @PaceLaw, @Bill

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake

    I’m amused by the title of that show. It always makes me think of the Franklin Credit Union scandal (pedophilia, fraud, embezzlement) of 35 years ago. For a brief time in the early ’80’s I was acquainted with Larry King, the black weirdo who ran Franklin. He named his son “Prince”…I guess as a reference to their surname King. Blacks have an undying obsession with royalty and royal terms.

    Anyway, as to origins of US blacks, how many millions of millions of blacks does the immigrant figures come out to? In such a racist country?

  70. @Altai

    An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.
     
    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It's also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I've known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn't strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn't seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of 'hustle', ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It's basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it's on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-SnRNJ-aKE

    I honestly don't understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as 'just trying to get a better life', so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of 'Hustle' nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His 'Off-White' brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bQsPj_gUk

    These guys aren't even running to buy it for it's own sake, they're running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Almost Missouri, @OilcanFloyd, @AnotherDad, @fish, @J1234, @PaceLaw, @Bill

    I honestly don’t understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too.

    I agree with your overall post Altai, but I have to disagree with your above statement. If you know anything about Nigeria at all, then you will definitely understand why the best and brightest from there would want to immigrate to the West. Nigeria is a Third World country with incompetent leadership and total corruption. The rule of law there is not a given. Heck, reliable electricity is not even a given. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/12/blackout-looms-as-5-electricity-towers-collapse-in-lagos/amp/

    As to the price that the children and grandchildren of immigrants have to pay, I believe it’s negligible. Kids generally adapt pretty quickly to the host environment, assuming that they can pick up the local language pretty quickly.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @PaceLaw

    Rather than fix our own country, we fled from people like us to your country, to get a better deal.

    People like us back home are bad, but when we move here we become good. And if times get tough here, you can rely on us to be grateful and loyal to our new country.

    , @Anonymous
    @PaceLaw

    "The best and brightest of Nigeria".

    The very definition of damning with faint praise.

  71. @Harry Baldwin
    @Arclight

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing – and they are right in that it’s good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support.

    Doesn't the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: "People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States! Do not believe what you see in Hollywood movies and TV commercials! They are like the propaganda films the Nazis showed Polish Jews that made Auschwitz look like a pleasant community!"

    Just kidding. We know that two things blacks value are a) having access to the societies created by whites and b) being taken seriously when they complain about white people.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Alrenous

    Doesn’t the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules?

    Of course it does to rational people but to the Woke there’s always an excuse, which is that America has a great marketing machine. I personally think that there’s a grain of truth in that, although they distort wildly.

    The grain of truth is that yeah, blacks & whites occupy two different castes in the US, and black immigrants are unaware of this. I feel rather sorry for them.

  72. [through drywall]
    steve
    steve
    his name was robert paulson

  73. @Achmed E. Newman
    Paperback writer brought up above the main point - this just brings the numbers of black people higher no matter where from or when they came. It's not a good thing! It's not from TV (in which I gather one could assume the country is 2/3 black), but my own eyes tell me the numbers are growing, including looks at map data. I don't believe completely that 13%, is what I'm trying to say.

    Then, violence aside just for a bit, at least at the convenience store, I can understand the American black guy. (OK, I had to take Rosetta Stone Ebonics first.) This country is a Tower of Babel now and Ghanans, Nigerians, Somalians, and Senegalese ain't making it better. The damn ticket agent at the small airport terminal, for crying out loud, might be a smart and hardworking girl, but I couldn't understand a freaking word she said! (It didn't help that she had the required face diaper on...)

    Replies: @Libre, @Paperback Writer

    It’s not from TV (in which I gather one could assume the country is 2/3 black), but my own eyes tell me the numbers are growing, including looks at map data. I don’t believe completely that 13%, is what I’m trying to say.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/183489/population-of-the-us-by-ethnicity-since-2000/e.

    Black #s are not going up by that much. I invite you to look around – but everything I read says that Af-Am TFR is a bit below replacement rate. Look it up yourself.

  74. Off topic, but wondered if you were following this Steve …

    There’s an amusing tempest in a teapot underway now as the “Sex and the City” reboot delivers much filth, misery, and confusion as fallout for living the Progressive Lifestyle to the hilt. Fans of the show are hopping mad and confused about why the writers are serving up a pile of meaningless crap, complete with dyke worship, broken men, “perfect” bipoc characters with functional lives compared to the original characters, and teenage offspring angrily trapped in leftie world-view conflicts with the equally confused parents.

    The writers are angry at the fans’ hostile reactions and are recording talks where they promote their choices for plot developments. Samantha Irby is one of the “celebrated” writers, apparently on the greased Ta-Nehisi Coates fast track, and she has plenty of traumatic dysfunctional angst to transfer to the screen. A 2 minute scan of her writing explains everything.

    The fans have developed several hilarious reaction sites that review each episode, and are generally aware that there’s been a creative hostile takeover/agenda, but they don’t quite grasp that it’s an extension of the culture war and that they are the target. Cynthia Nixon can’t help but inject her politics directly to her story line.

    Many listeners were of an age where they were unaware that the show was always meant to push the envelope of the feminism/ gay agenda, with purses and cute outfits as bait. Two-plus decades later, the same entertainment crew (and their young pets) don’t seem very happy to be with their cultural victories. One might suspect the revolution doesn’t quite know where it is going in spite of much enthusiasm for agitating to get to that equality promised land – over there – somewhere. They probably figure they’ll know it when they see it, and that’s good enough reason to tear up every last remaining bit of the patriarchy now. Afterall, what did the patriarchy ever do for them?

    • LOL: New Dealer
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Marat

    >female and/or gay project ruined because infighting made communication impossible
    Many such cases. Men have many strengths but perhaps the most important is the ability to work alongside people you don't like.

  75. @HA
    @Arclight

    "I did have a young woman whose parents were Nigerian immigrants as an intern last year who was basically your typical high performing nerd,..."

    I'm guessing a fair number of those come from coastal families who made out pretty well by facilitating the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. And so now, their scions come to take up affirmative action slots and scholarships designed to lift up the very same slaves their families trafficked. Too bad Evelyn Waugh isn't around to do a novel pillorying that, though it would probably get canceled long before anyone agreed to publish it.

    Speaking of which, isn't the word "Trans-Atlantic" offensive to certain protected groups? They're going to need to change that before too long.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    The Nigerian immigrant kids are a convenient loophole for elite schools looking to fulfill AA quotas because they mix the right test scores and resumes with the skin color needed. The irony of them being the descendants of those who sold the slaves to the Europeans in the first place is quietly swept under the rug.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @nebulafox

    Yep. ADOS blacks have not woken up to the fact that above all else their white allies want power and moral standing, and they are just a means to those ends, and not actually valued for who/what they are.

  76. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    That's not true. A good share of them have Black daddies (who rarely stick around) and white mamas who raised them. The white mamas (like Obama's) can sometimes trace their ancestors all the way back to the Mayflower. The mamas can also be of immigrant stock but not African immigrant stock.

    There is also a small contingent of Talent Tenth ADOS blacks, who typically have a lot of European ancestry as well.

    Then there are the black athletes - these are often genuine ADOS blacks.

    So I would guess that the (Caribbean and African) immigrant (descended) blacks are only maybe half of the total # of blacks at Harvard. Note that they are often American born - it's their parents who are the immigrants in most cases.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Hey Jack, you must mean Harvard students/alums like Gabby Thomas. She’s a star athlete and comes from an African-American/Jamaican background (she’s also easy on the eyes. Lol!). She’s light enough to make you wonder how much white ancestry she has.
    https://www.blackenterprise.com/gabby-thomas-makes-history-as-the-fastest-harvard-educated-epidemiologist-in-the-world/amp/

    I have to do disagree with your point though that the immigrant-descended blacks are no more than 50% of the students at Harvard. Something tells me it’s probably closer to 75 to 90%. You mentioned the Talented Tenth of ADOS. If I am not mistaken that term came from WEB Du Bois back in the 1920s. I believe the Talented Tenth has shrunk drastically to maybe the Talented Third. African American culture overwhelmingly does not value higher education (it almost seems contemptuous of it), especially at the hyper-competitive level of Ivy League schools; therefore if the schools do not want to drop their standards but so much they will be bringing in immigrant-descended blacks to keep their quotas at an acceptable level.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @PaceLaw

    Doesn't being talented include understanding fractions?

    , @Jack D
    @PaceLaw


    therefore if the schools do not want to drop their standards but so much they will be bringing in immigrant-descended blacks to keep their quotas at an acceptable level.
     
    "But so much" is quite a bit. Even with all the Nigerians, etc. if Harvard operated on a color blind basis only maybe 2% of its undergrad admits would be black vs. the 15% that they are actually admitting. The "so much" is about 100 points/ SAT section.
    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @PaceLaw

    Du Bois coined the Talented Tenth phrase in 1903. He also argued that that Tenth should study the liberal arts and praised Shakespeare, quoted Wagner, and cited Greek myths. Yes Du Bois was a radical who believed white racism held blacks down, but he did not water down ideals or standards for elites. Today we live in the farcical world where “all racial disparity is evidence of racism” and someone who doesn’t denounce Shakespeare as a racist can be canceled.

    I wonder sometimes if Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Du Bois, or even Malcolm X would be insulted that Ibrahm X. Kendi is the current leader of “their people.”

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Colin Wright

  77. What’s the Brookhaven area of Atlanta like?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/21/british-man-killed-by-stray-bullet-as-he-lay-in-bed-in-atlanta

    An astrophysicist from Surrey has died after being hit by a stray bullet while lying in bed during a trip to Atlanta.

    Dr Matthew Willson, 31, from Chertsey, was shot in the early hours of Friday when a weapon was discharged by a group of individuals from a neighbouring block of flats in the suburb of Brookhaven. No suspects have been arrested.

    According to reports, several residents had phoned the emergency services at about 2am and police attended after multiple shots were fired.

    Willson was believed to have been visiting his girlfriend in Georgia, having flown to the US last week. He was taken to hospital, but died from a gunshot to the head, police said. His death is being investigated as a homicide.

    It is understood he died after a single bullet passed through the bedroom wall as he slept in bed. Police said they believed the incident was a random act involving individuals participating in the reckless discharge of firearms, local TV reported.

    I assume these individuals were the usual suspects rather than good old boys with too much moonshine inside them?

    https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/man-shot-in-killed-while-lying-in-bed-police-search-for-suspect

    According to investigators, officers went to an apartment complex in the 3600 block of Buford Hwy. on January 16 to investigate a call “regarding multiple shots fired.” Officers were later called to an apartment in the 3100 block of Clairmont Road and found Dr. Matthew Willson of Chertsey lying in a bed with a gunshot wound to his head.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I used to live in Brookhaven, and most of it was considered relatively safe. The part that wasn’t (and still isn’t) safe is the area described in the article - the area around Buford Highway and Claremont Rd. That area is mostly Latino and Black, so gangbangers from either one could be responsible.

  78. @Harry Baldwin
    @Arclight

    The great majority of blacks in America bought into the idea that a flood of immigrants is a good thing – and they are right in that it’s good for the Democratic Party they overwhelmingly support.

    Doesn't the fact that so many blacks have come to the US through their own free will undercut the narrative that we are an irredeemably racist nation where White Supremacy rules? I would think the woke crowd should be broadcasting a message worldwide: "People of Color! Stay where you are! There is nothing but oppression and misery for you here in the United States! Do not believe what you see in Hollywood movies and TV commercials! They are like the propaganda films the Nazis showed Polish Jews that made Auschwitz look like a pleasant community!"

    Just kidding. We know that two things blacks value are a) having access to the societies created by whites and b) being taken seriously when they complain about white people.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Alrenous

    Alternatively, they’re just lying. Can’t wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Having more Africans gives them more votes, so…

  79. @PaceLaw
    @Altai


    I honestly don’t understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too.
     
    I agree with your overall post Altai, but I have to disagree with your above statement. If you know anything about Nigeria at all, then you will definitely understand why the best and brightest from there would want to immigrate to the West. Nigeria is a Third World country with incompetent leadership and total corruption. The rule of law there is not a given. Heck, reliable electricity is not even a given. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/12/blackout-looms-as-5-electricity-towers-collapse-in-lagos/amp/

    As to the price that the children and grandchildren of immigrants have to pay, I believe it’s negligible. Kids generally adapt pretty quickly to the host environment, assuming that they can pick up the local language pretty quickly.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Anonymous

    Rather than fix our own country, we fled from people like us to your country, to get a better deal.

    People like us back home are bad, but when we move here we become good. And if times get tough here, you can rely on us to be grateful and loyal to our new country.

  80. @PaceLaw
    @Jack D

    Hey Jack, you must mean Harvard students/alums like Gabby Thomas. She’s a star athlete and comes from an African-American/Jamaican background (she’s also easy on the eyes. Lol!). She’s light enough to make you wonder how much white ancestry she has.
    https://www.blackenterprise.com/gabby-thomas-makes-history-as-the-fastest-harvard-educated-epidemiologist-in-the-world/amp/

    I have to do disagree with your point though that the immigrant-descended blacks are no more than 50% of the students at Harvard. Something tells me it’s probably closer to 75 to 90%. You mentioned the Talented Tenth of ADOS. If I am not mistaken that term came from WEB Du Bois back in the 1920s. I believe the Talented Tenth has shrunk drastically to maybe the Talented Third. African American culture overwhelmingly does not value higher education (it almost seems contemptuous of it), especially at the hyper-competitive level of Ivy League schools; therefore if the schools do not want to drop their standards but so much they will be bringing in immigrant-descended blacks to keep their quotas at an acceptable level.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Jack D, @John Milton’s Ghost

    Doesn’t being talented include understanding fractions?

    • LOL: PaceLaw
  81. The Nigerians will largely be Igbo. Igbo have an average IQ higher than 100. The theory is they have Jewish ancestry. Regardless of the reason, they’re much more capable than 85-average Bantu-Americans of getting degrees and holding down jobs.

    Also of note: why did the Hutu attempt to genocide the Tutsi in Rwanda? Because the Hutu are a Bantu tribe and the Tutsi are basically Ethiopian.

    Somalians aren’t Bantu either. Again, Ethiopian. Indeed Bantu form a 5% ghetto underclass in Somalia, similar to the ghetto underclass in…where was that….? Oh yes, America.

    Lumping all these together is a lot like being unable to tell the difference between Portugese, Greeks, and Swedes. Perhaps moreso: being unable to tell the difference between Chinese and Filipino.

    In short all your South African problems aren’t “African” problems, they’re Bantu problems.

    Perhaps someone can enlighten me on the racial breakdown within Nigeria. I know Igbo are a minority, but it’s like a 30% minority, I think?

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Alrenous

    please show me the study re 100 IQ Igbo data. It sounds like total BS

    Replies: @Some Guy

    , @Some Guy
    @Alrenous

    Somalis are if anything worse than Bantus, they're literally the poorest group in the US.

    Replies: @Alrenous

  82. @anon
    A Nigerian immigrant kid at a local high school campaigned to have the school drop Huck Finn from the reading list, and it became her ticket to get into Stanford, even with middling grades. Her dad went to Princeton.

    Later in her senior year, a white girl invited a white boy to a school dance with a sign that she made after seeing it on Pinterest, something along the line of "Instead of picking cotton, I picked you." Her sister then took a picture of her with the boy before the dance and shared it on Instagram. All hell broke lose. The picture went viral. She immediately apologized, clarified she thought it was a cute joke, had multiple classmates vouched for her that she is not at all a racist person. No matter. The angry Twitter mob descended on her, death threats followed. The vindictive activist stupid school principal called both the girl and the boy's colleges and got their college acceptances rescinded. And the Nigerian girl (and a Korean boy) were shown on local TV leading a school protest on "racism", megaphone in hand. The activist masquerading as an educator principal allowed kids to walk out on classes to join the protest as an "excused absence". The poor girl was so distraught she ended up in the hospital for a week on suicide watch. The family moved away before she even graduated from high school. Both of the kids had their future taken away from them for an innocent though poor attempt at a joke.

    This is yet another example of what Amy Wax meant when she said we have become a vengeful, punitive society.

    These new African immigrants(mostly from Nigeria and Ghana) are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. They're the ones who get into elite colleges and work at elite companies, not the blacks who are descendants of slaves. And if you think that makes them more grateful to America and less subjected to the victimhood indoctrination, think again. They are now the leading voices on black oppression.

    Replies: @Flip

    The vindictive activist stupid school principal called both the girl and the boy’s colleges and got their college acceptances rescinded.

    This sort of thing is going to lead to violence.

  83. @Alden
    @Arclight

    I’m afraid the Jewish black coalition will rule America and its cities and metro areas for another 50 years at least.

    Replies: @Arclight

    I don’t discount the fact that there are probably a dozen large cities in the Rust Belt to the mid-Atlantic where black voters will remain a major force for decades to come (I live in one). However, the impact on the country’s broader culture and politics will wane over time because the growing Latino and Asian populations are not going to lie down as readily as left of center whites have.

    That said, it’s going to take quite awhile before education, media, and popular entertainment moves off its blacks uber alles position.

  84. Immigration is not my issue. I don’t mind it when Nigerians move to CA, NY’ers to FL, etc. I do get upset when busybodies, in the goto places, point to population increases so as to justify their demands for bigger government, e.g. the need to build more schools.

    I might have a wee bit less disrespect for the schoolies if the ones who stay put began to suggest that population decreases justify selling schools (with proceeds rebated to taxpayers). (In fact, they always demand higher, per-student funding.)

    I’m also frustrated by our political standard that grants tax-funded, costly “freebies” to any foreigner who shows up at some public bureaucracy — as soon as the day he gets off the plane. State U rightly demands to see proof of multi-year residency before it bills tuition at the in-state rate. When an ex-NY’er signs up her first grader for Broward County schools (a potential 12 year sentence) she should not qualify for the in-state tuition rate (\$0). She should have to pay ~\$19,000 per year for at least six years (i.e. til the kid enters middle school).

    • Replies: @Alrenous
    @Abolish_public_education


    (In fact, they always demand higher, per-student funding.)
     
    Not that any of this goes to students, mind. It's all spent on administrators, sinecures, and teacher's union dues.
    Further, if you point this out, they somehow always know exactly which facts have to be covered up...

    Not that more per-pupil spending would be a good thing either.

    "Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished."
    -Johann Gottlieb Fichte, one of the primary architects of America's "education" system. The term "pupil" is rather misleading. "Victim" is the word you're looking for.
    You have to hand it to them though - the system works great. Functions exactly as designed.

    "But Alrenous, why does he have such a German name?" Because he worked for the Prussian military dictatorship. Dewey just liked the cut of his jib and imported his system wholesale.

  85. @nebulafox
    @HA

    The Nigerian immigrant kids are a convenient loophole for elite schools looking to fulfill AA quotas because they mix the right test scores and resumes with the skin color needed. The irony of them being the descendants of those who sold the slaves to the Europeans in the first place is quietly swept under the rug.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Yep. ADOS blacks have not woken up to the fact that above all else their white allies want power and moral standing, and they are just a means to those ends, and not actually valued for who/what they are.

  86. @PaceLaw
    @Altai


    I honestly don’t understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too.
     
    I agree with your overall post Altai, but I have to disagree with your above statement. If you know anything about Nigeria at all, then you will definitely understand why the best and brightest from there would want to immigrate to the West. Nigeria is a Third World country with incompetent leadership and total corruption. The rule of law there is not a given. Heck, reliable electricity is not even a given. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/12/blackout-looms-as-5-electricity-towers-collapse-in-lagos/amp/

    As to the price that the children and grandchildren of immigrants have to pay, I believe it’s negligible. Kids generally adapt pretty quickly to the host environment, assuming that they can pick up the local language pretty quickly.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Anonymous

    “The best and brightest of Nigeria”.

    The very definition of damning with faint praise.

  87. @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    By 2050, the nation will be a tower of babel that nobody here will be very comfortable in.

    I see skilled whites starting to head for the exits in the 2030s and 2040's. Nobody white, Asian, Indian, or Latin asked to live in a majority black country. Russia will be about the only choice left for whites.

    Replies: @prosa123

    By 2050, the nation will be a tower of babel that nobody here will be very comfortable in.

    Many of the people here won’t be here, period, in 2050.

  88. @PaceLaw
    @Discordiax

    I agree with your assessment Discordiax. What is not mentioned though is the overwhelming dominance of African-American culture on second and third generation blacks. African-American music, TV shows and sports figures dominate pop-culture. TV host Trevor Noah (biracial) has stated how he was enthralled with black culture when he was in South Africa and wanted it to be a part of it when he came to the States. See also Barack Obama who really had zero identification with African-American culture in his native Hawaii but made every effort to inculcate himself in it when he got to Chicago (an African-American wife, a black nationalist church, he identifies as being African American-not biracial-etc.).

    I would imagine that the overwhelming majority of second and third generation blacks don’t even identify with where their parents or grandparents came from but just solely as African-American. For that reason I believe that there will be an aggressive regression to the mean of African-American cultural standards, values and achievement.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What is not mentioned though is the overwhelming dominance of African-American culture on second and third generation blacks.

    In other words, they assimilate. But, as America has always been diverse, there are a lot of Americas into which to assimilate. Still, as bad as this is, do you really want them to meld into traditional white America– i.e., marry your daughter? Hip-hop Liberians are the lesser of the two evils.

    Some groups might be able to resist such assimilation, being more inwardly focused. Somalis are a prime example. We have seen this with the Amish and black-hat Jews.

  89. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Russian serfs lived where they chose? Really?

    Replies: @Jack D

    The serfs were liberated in 1861. The Pale of Settlement lasted until the downfall of the Czarist government in 1917.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    And conscription only applied to Jews from 1827. And even after liberation serfs couldn't move as an American would take for granted, they merely enjoyed a legal possibility when the stars were right. If comparison to any group of people demonstrates Jewish suffering, surely the weakest group comparison is with Russian serfs.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'The serfs were liberated in 1861. The Pale of Settlement lasted until the downfall of the Czarist government in 1917.'

    So in the victimhood contest, you could say the gentiles held the title until 1862, then you took it from then until 1917, then the gentiles got it back until you staged a major comeback in 1941-1943, then it was kind of a tie -- except you all wound up as the wealthiest group in the wealthiest nation on earth while they're still stuck in the Ukraine and Poland and all that.

    ...but what's your point?

  90. @PaceLaw
    @Jack D

    Hey Jack, you must mean Harvard students/alums like Gabby Thomas. She’s a star athlete and comes from an African-American/Jamaican background (she’s also easy on the eyes. Lol!). She’s light enough to make you wonder how much white ancestry she has.
    https://www.blackenterprise.com/gabby-thomas-makes-history-as-the-fastest-harvard-educated-epidemiologist-in-the-world/amp/

    I have to do disagree with your point though that the immigrant-descended blacks are no more than 50% of the students at Harvard. Something tells me it’s probably closer to 75 to 90%. You mentioned the Talented Tenth of ADOS. If I am not mistaken that term came from WEB Du Bois back in the 1920s. I believe the Talented Tenth has shrunk drastically to maybe the Talented Third. African American culture overwhelmingly does not value higher education (it almost seems contemptuous of it), especially at the hyper-competitive level of Ivy League schools; therefore if the schools do not want to drop their standards but so much they will be bringing in immigrant-descended blacks to keep their quotas at an acceptable level.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Jack D, @John Milton’s Ghost

    therefore if the schools do not want to drop their standards but so much they will be bringing in immigrant-descended blacks to keep their quotas at an acceptable level.

    “But so much” is quite a bit. Even with all the Nigerians, etc. if Harvard operated on a color blind basis only maybe 2% of its undergrad admits would be black vs. the 15% that they are actually admitting. The “so much” is about 100 points/ SAT section.

  91. According to a new Pew report, 12% of black residents of the US are now foreign-born immigrants and an additional 9% of blacks have at least one black immigrant parent.

    How does this break down locally? These numbers sound like Minneapolis 20 years ago. What is that metro area’s today? Somalis outbreed everyone but the Hmong.

    Here is Migration Policy Institute’s take, from two years ago:

    Sub-Saharan African Immigrants in the United States

    According to them, roughly half of these have been naturalized. They can’t be deported unless fraud is shown.

  92. I thought when you found yourself in a hole you stopped digging? Colin Flaherty pointed out Prince George’s County as a perfect example of reversion to the mean (kids of federal employees running amok.)

  93. @PaceLaw
    @Jack D

    Hey Jack, you must mean Harvard students/alums like Gabby Thomas. She’s a star athlete and comes from an African-American/Jamaican background (she’s also easy on the eyes. Lol!). She’s light enough to make you wonder how much white ancestry she has.
    https://www.blackenterprise.com/gabby-thomas-makes-history-as-the-fastest-harvard-educated-epidemiologist-in-the-world/amp/

    I have to do disagree with your point though that the immigrant-descended blacks are no more than 50% of the students at Harvard. Something tells me it’s probably closer to 75 to 90%. You mentioned the Talented Tenth of ADOS. If I am not mistaken that term came from WEB Du Bois back in the 1920s. I believe the Talented Tenth has shrunk drastically to maybe the Talented Third. African American culture overwhelmingly does not value higher education (it almost seems contemptuous of it), especially at the hyper-competitive level of Ivy League schools; therefore if the schools do not want to drop their standards but so much they will be bringing in immigrant-descended blacks to keep their quotas at an acceptable level.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Jack D, @John Milton’s Ghost

    Du Bois coined the Talented Tenth phrase in 1903. He also argued that that Tenth should study the liberal arts and praised Shakespeare, quoted Wagner, and cited Greek myths. Yes Du Bois was a radical who believed white racism held blacks down, but he did not water down ideals or standards for elites. Today we live in the farcical world where “all racial disparity is evidence of racism” and someone who doesn’t denounce Shakespeare as a racist can be canceled.

    I wonder sometimes if Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Du Bois, or even Malcolm X would be insulted that Ibrahm X. Kendi is the current leader of “their people.”

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Thanks for the clarification John. I have to wholeheartedly agree that the black leaders of the past would be appalled and embarrassed that the likes of simpletons such as Ibrahm Kendi are considered thought-leaders for today’s black population. This reality just proves the complete degradation of the race. Sad.

    , @Colin Wright
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    'I wonder sometimes if Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Du Bois, or even Malcolm X would be insulted that Ibrahm X. Kendi is the current leader of “their people.”'

    I've moved way past that.

    I couldn't care less what would or wouldn't make Frederick Douglas et al feel insulted. I don't even care who is the current 'leader' of their 'people.'

    We need to decide where to put blacks, and put them there. After the Summer of George, their preferences are immaterial. I've had enough.

  94. @Joe Magarac
    @Paperback Writer


    You left out the biggest stat: their numbers. Without immigrants the black population would be shrinking very slightly in absolute numbers – their TFR is slightly below replacement rate – and shrinking quite a bit in proportion.
     
    Tell American bl*cks that Whites are headed for minority status, and they apparently expect to be ruling the country when that happens. At least, judging by such public pronouncements that get reported.

    What they will have (in 15 years or so if the plan proceeds) is Whites as the single largest group at 48% or so, and the same very small minority of wealthy nearly all White people in charge.

    And yes, to African Americans, Jews are White. No amount of critical theory pettifogging about the holocaust can change that, let alone White nationalist reasoning to the contrary.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Tell American bl*cks that Whites are headed for minority status, and they apparently expect to be ruling the country when that happens. At least, judging by such public pronouncements that get reported.

    This is such crap. Let’s unpack it.

    1. Black don’t expect to be ruling the country, unless you’re talking about such intellectual giants as Ibram Kendi and JoyAnn Reid. I have no idea what Willie Smith from Atlanta thinks. He’s probably a bit too shrewd to buy that shit.

    2. I’ll bet you in 50 years that 75% of the population looks white. Matt Taibi, Keanu Reeves, Christian Yelich, and Travis d’Arnaud all have Asian ancestry. The ones who are married have white wives. Their descendants will be white. A white person born in 2050 may have fractional Hispanic or Asian ancestry – so what?

    Don’t worry about that.

    And yes, to African Americans, Jews are White. No amount of critical theory pettifogging about the holocaust can change that, let alone White nationalist reasoning to the contrary.

    I consider white Jews to be white. No amount of alt-right screaming about that can change that.

    • LOL: Dream
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    2. I’ll bet you in 50 years that 75% of the population looks white. Matt Taibi, Keanu Reeves, Christian Yelich, and Travis d’Arnaud all have Asian ancestry. The ones who are married have white wives. Their descendants will be white. A white person born in 2050 may have fractional Hispanic or Asian ancestry – so what?
     
    I'll take that bet. (Well it sort of depends on what is considered to be white. Potter Stewart standard?)

    On statement about mixed, i basically agree. I think if we could just stop immigration most Asians and many Hispanics would just merge into the general "white" population. Secular Jews are intermarrying at a good clip. And the Orthodox who are not, are not the core troublemakers.

    However, people routinely underestimate how Hispanic America is already. In births it's been running about a million a year--25%. (Compared to 2m whites and 600k blacks.) And while Hispanic fertility has slumped, it's still well above white and black rates. And there's still continual large inflows, and evev though Latin America fertility is now at/below replacement those may continue for a while. So that we're going to be a much "browner" nation seems to me already baked.

    The real unknown is are we going to get better saner elites who will stop the disastrous immigration insanity before we start sucking up the remaining surplus population megasource. My guess is that as Jews--secular but ethnocentric like Schumer--decline in influence and Asians and Hispanics rise, will reach some point were there's a consensus not to destroy the country. But who knows?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer

    , @J.Ross
    @Paperback Writer

    The majority of the whites who will exist will be thoroughly programmed, either to think that neutrality and objectivity require them to feel nothing for their people, or to actively hate their own kind. As a thought experiment, apply this to a national population of Jews. As a further experiment, imagine an enemy group deliberately propagating this through education and entertainment.

  95. @Pat Kittle

    21% of African-Americans Are Now of Immigrant Stock
     
    BLM should explain why all those FreeAtLast! Motherland Negroes are pouring into a structurally racist hell-hole of White privilege.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms

    They would just say that modern Africa and the modern global economy were also created by white men, which is pretty much true.

  96. OT: British doctor, 31, was shot dead in Atlanta while asleep next to his girlfriend, when stray bullet fired ‘recklessly’ from apartments nearby travelled 800ft through forest and hit him in the head.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10426481/British-doctor-31-killed-stray-bullet-Atlanta-lying-BED.html

    • Replies: @epebble
    @James N. Kennett

    I was intrigued by the 800ft figure and looked up:

    https://www.pewpewtactical.com/effective-range-pistols-rifles-shotguns/

    Only Rifles seem to be able to kill that well at that distance. I find it hard to believe that someone randomly fires a rifle from an apartment into a forest for fun at night. The 'recklessly ' doesn't seem so.

  97. @Abolish_public_education
    Immigration is not my issue. I don't mind it when Nigerians move to CA, NY'ers to FL, etc. I do get upset when busybodies, in the goto places, point to population increases so as to justify their demands for bigger government, e.g. the need to build more schools.

    I might have a wee bit less disrespect for the schoolies if the ones who stay put began to suggest that population decreases justify selling schools (with proceeds rebated to taxpayers). (In fact, they always demand higher, per-student funding.)

    I'm also frustrated by our political standard that grants tax-funded, costly "freebies" to any foreigner who shows up at some public bureaucracy -- as soon as the day he gets off the plane. State U rightly demands to see proof of multi-year residency before it bills tuition at the in-state rate. When an ex-NY'er signs up her first grader for Broward County schools (a potential 12 year sentence) she should not qualify for the in-state tuition rate ($0). She should have to pay ~$19,000 per year for at least six years (i.e. til the kid enters middle school).

    Replies: @Alrenous

    (In fact, they always demand higher, per-student funding.)

    Not that any of this goes to students, mind. It’s all spent on administrators, sinecures, and teacher’s union dues.
    Further, if you point this out, they somehow always know exactly which facts have to be covered up…

    Not that more per-pupil spending would be a good thing either.

    “Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished.”
    -Johann Gottlieb Fichte, one of the primary architects of America’s “education” system. The term “pupil” is rather misleading. “Victim” is the word you’re looking for.
    You have to hand it to them though – the system works great. Functions exactly as designed.

    “But Alrenous, why does he have such a German name?” Because he worked for the Prussian military dictatorship. Dewey just liked the cut of his jib and imported his system wholesale.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
  98. 100% of Africans and African Americans need to return to Africa.

  99. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @PaceLaw

    Du Bois coined the Talented Tenth phrase in 1903. He also argued that that Tenth should study the liberal arts and praised Shakespeare, quoted Wagner, and cited Greek myths. Yes Du Bois was a radical who believed white racism held blacks down, but he did not water down ideals or standards for elites. Today we live in the farcical world where “all racial disparity is evidence of racism” and someone who doesn’t denounce Shakespeare as a racist can be canceled.

    I wonder sometimes if Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Du Bois, or even Malcolm X would be insulted that Ibrahm X. Kendi is the current leader of “their people.”

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Colin Wright

    Thanks for the clarification John. I have to wholeheartedly agree that the black leaders of the past would be appalled and embarrassed that the likes of simpletons such as Ibrahm Kendi are considered thought-leaders for today’s black population. This reality just proves the complete degradation of the race. Sad.

  100. Tariq Nasheed is right and always has been, and there’s still nothing more ridiculous than saying that jews are white.

  101. @aNewBanner
    Sasha and Malia seem to be doing just fine. While they are a special case, I hope that third generation immigrant Africans take them as their role models, rather than other, less savory examples.

    Replies: @epebble, @Colin Wright

    Hmm, if these:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10419577/Barack-Obamas-daughters-Malia-Sasha-spotted-Los-Angeles.html

    were my daughters, I would be mighty pissed. Fortunately, you can’t pay my son a million dollars to trash walk (or smoke) like these.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @epebble

    Is it just me, or do both those girls look like they've imbibed a lot of pain and hatred?

  102. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    They say that intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in your head simultaneously.

    Is it possible that for black Africans , even though "systemic racism" exists in America and it is not a paradise for blacks ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house), conditions here are better than they are in their home country? Conditions in America don't need to be perfect, only better, in order for people to want to come here.

    As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose). When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel, was this minoritarian whining or their desire to have the same rights as other Americans?

    "Minoritarian whining" takes as its starting point the assumption that the country "belongs" exclusively to the majority and that minorities are "guests" who can stay only according to the whims of the "real" owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their "guest" status.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Some Guy, @Houston 1992, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel

    The ghetto is “the ghetto” because black people live there though, it’s not cursed land. They could probably have even bought up land and created entire black cities if they were inclined to.

    And were blacks prevented from creating the own hotels in their own neighborhoods? What’s unfair about whites being with whites and blacks being with blacks? The fact that black neighborhoods and hotels are not as good is not white people’s fault.

  103. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @PaceLaw

    Du Bois coined the Talented Tenth phrase in 1903. He also argued that that Tenth should study the liberal arts and praised Shakespeare, quoted Wagner, and cited Greek myths. Yes Du Bois was a radical who believed white racism held blacks down, but he did not water down ideals or standards for elites. Today we live in the farcical world where “all racial disparity is evidence of racism” and someone who doesn’t denounce Shakespeare as a racist can be canceled.

    I wonder sometimes if Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Du Bois, or even Malcolm X would be insulted that Ibrahm X. Kendi is the current leader of “their people.”

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Colin Wright

    ‘I wonder sometimes if Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Du Bois, or even Malcolm X would be insulted that Ibrahm X. Kendi is the current leader of “their people.”’

    I’ve moved way past that.

    I couldn’t care less what would or wouldn’t make Frederick Douglas et al feel insulted. I don’t even care who is the current ‘leader’ of their ‘people.’

    We need to decide where to put blacks, and put them there. After the Summer of George, their preferences are immaterial. I’ve had enough.

  104. anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:

    Off-topic

    One of the few white countries left is going to begin settling non-white refugees. Lithuania took in over 4,000 from Iraq and Africa last year because Belarus sent them as a gift. Lithuania has managed to push some out by paying for flights but 3,500 are hell bent on remaining in a country of 3 million people.

    “We need to start thinking what we will do when the term in refugee centres will be over,” said Tomas Vytautas Raskevičius, the chairman of the Lithuanian parliamentary committee for human rights. “To talk about integration. Otherwise, they will try to reach other European countries.”

    https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/02/lithuania-pays-migrants-1-000-to-return-to-iraq

    Lithuania had a new government last year with an extremely pro-Washington foreign policy. Lithuania is the base for operations against Lithuania and opening a trade office with Taiwan using the name Taiwan (caused a rupture with Beijing). Lithuania may well get the US troops it wants permanently stationed in the country but it will also get a multi-cultural society.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anonymous

    Once Lithuania goes black - which it will - then you know for certain that the white race is finished.

    Replies: @anonymous

  105. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    They say that intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in your head simultaneously.

    Is it possible that for black Africans , even though "systemic racism" exists in America and it is not a paradise for blacks ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house), conditions here are better than they are in their home country? Conditions in America don't need to be perfect, only better, in order for people to want to come here.

    As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose). When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel, was this minoritarian whining or their desire to have the same rights as other Americans?

    "Minoritarian whining" takes as its starting point the assumption that the country "belongs" exclusively to the majority and that minorities are "guests" who can stay only according to the whims of the "real" owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their "guest" status.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Some Guy, @Houston 1992, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    RE the Russian military draft
    I thought Jews as a community could decide who was drafted rather than the Russian state. The Jewish community selected members until their quota was reached .The Volga Germans lost their draft exemption ,I think , around 1860. I thought that the Jews maintained their privilege until ww1.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Houston 1992


    According to the "Statute on Conscription Duty" signed by Tsar Nicholas I of Russia on August 26 (September 7 new style), 1827, Jews were made liable to personal military service and were subject to the same conscription quota as all other tax-paying estates ("sosloviya") in the Russian Empire. The total number of conscripts was uniform for all populations (four conscripts per each thousand subjects); however, the actual recruitment was implemented by the local qahals
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonist#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20%22Statute%20on,%22)%20in%20the%20Russian%20Empire.

    Yes, that's how it worked - each community was responsible for sending a certain # of people. The way that this worked out in practice was that the younger sons of the Jewish poor got sent, orphans, street children, etc. The kids sent were sometimes as young as 8 years old. The term of service was 25 years (measured from age 18) and most never returned to their community.

    By modern standards the whole thing was terribly cruel and lacking in equity. However, it had its amusing aspects. All cantonists (as the recruits were called) were intentionally underfed and encouraged to steal food from the local population in emulation of Spartan character building (this also saved on the budget). On one occasion in 1856, a Jewish cantonist, Khodulevich, managed to steal the Tsar's own watch during military games at Uman. Not only was he not punished, but he was given a reward of 25 rubles for his prowess.

    I think one of the things that we see going on now with Russia in Ukraine is that Russia is a country with great martial traditions - even the Revolution did not completely break those traditions. There were European countries (e.g. Prussia) that also had martial traditions but these were largely broken while the Russian ones have survived. So Russia is the last remaining country in Europe that sees war as diplomacy by other means.
  106. @aNewBanner
    Sasha and Malia seem to be doing just fine. While they are a special case, I hope that third generation immigrant Africans take them as their role models, rather than other, less savory examples.

    Replies: @epebble, @Colin Wright

    ‘Sasha and Malia seem to be doing just fine. While they are a special case, I hope that third generation immigrant Africans take them as their role models, rather than other, less savory examples.’

    I can hope I’m going to wake up tomorrow and be twenty three.

    I doubt if it’s going to happen, though.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Colin Wright

    Sasha and Malia are doing fine thanks to affirmative action (for them, their parents and black grandfather). That ain't "doing fine" in my book

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  107. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    They say that intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in your head simultaneously.

    Is it possible that for black Africans , even though "systemic racism" exists in America and it is not a paradise for blacks ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house), conditions here are better than they are in their home country? Conditions in America don't need to be perfect, only better, in order for people to want to come here.

    As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose). When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel, was this minoritarian whining or their desire to have the same rights as other Americans?

    "Minoritarian whining" takes as its starting point the assumption that the country "belongs" exclusively to the majority and that minorities are "guests" who can stay only according to the whims of the "real" owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their "guest" status.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Some Guy, @Houston 1992, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    “Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country.

    Who a nation “belongs” to is an interesting and important question. But i think the reasonable answer is that it belongs to the people who sustain and maintain it as a nation. I.e. if some group leaves and the nation struggles or is no longer essentially the same nation–then it is their nation. If another group leaves and the nation is still there, still functioning, still essentially the same nation, then it is not their nation.

    But we don’t even have to have resolution on that question to deal with Jewish minoritarian whining.

    I’m–obviously–no expert on the Pale, but my understanding is if a Jew in the Pale wanted to move to Russia, they were supposed to Russify–speak Russian and adopt Orthodoxy. In other words, if they wanted to live in Russia, they should be a Russian. The horror! (My understanding is also that of course there were all sorts of loopholes so in practice there were in fact Jews all over Russia.) (If your point is that the Pale should not have been under the control of Russia, but rather a bunch of independent nations of the people there, i agree. I’m against empire. I’m for republican self-government. Suffice it to say that is not that actual Jewish complaint.)

    On America though my understanding is clear: Unlike blacks, Jews always had all the same civil rights as any other American. Nonetheless, you’ve managed to whine about some Lutheran or Catholic neighborhoods in Minneapolis in 1940 that kept out Jews to keep themselves … Lutheran or Catholic! Private choices about whom to associate with. God forbid that Lutherans or Catholics would find it amenable to live around other Lutherans or other Catholics. I can’t think of any other group which shows such repugnant tribalism.

    This Golfocaust style Jewish whining is the core of minoritarianism: the demand that the majority must not be allowed to look after their ethnic interests, while minorities (i.e. Jews) are free to look after their ethnic interests. No such moral or ethical principle exists. (BTW: as Steve’s pointed out the Jews country clubs still exist, still discriminate.)

    As long as Jewish minoritarianism keeps being spouted–rubbed in our faces–i’ll keep pointing out the truth. Jews chose tribalism/separatism. Every other tribe in Europe Christianized and melted in with neighbors eventually allowing the formation of these cohesive trust-at-scale nation states that brought on modernity. Basically only the Jews and the Gypsies rejected that and insisted to live among other people but refuse to integrate with them. But if you behave as a separate tribe … then you’ll be treated as … a separate tribe. How the gentiles react to your tribalism is entirely up to them. (Refusing to associate at all would be perfectly legitimate and reasonable.) What Jews label as “anti-Semitism” is mostly just gentiles treating Jews as a separate tribe, which Jews have chosen–insisted–on being.

    I know this is a deep affront to the Jewish psyche. Jews feel entitled to middle man gentiles. But there is no Jewish–or minority–“right of access” to white gentiles. No such right exists. No matter how much it annoys you, we are not your serfs.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @AnotherDad


    (BTW: as Steve’s pointed out the Jews country clubs still exist, still discriminate.)
     
    My understanding is that they haven't for the most part completely banned Non-Jewish members. Other clubs, WASP ones, sometimes were totally exclusive.

    The South Shore Country Club in Chicago was originally a WASP club that tolerated a few Catholics. Eventually it became a hangout for Irish Catholic politicians. (I.e., we took over.) Since the late '60s/early '70s it's been a public course, on which I've occasionally played. It may or may not be combined with the adjoining Jackson Park municipal course and all spiffed up, with some kind of connection to Tiger Woods. It doesn't seem to be happening so far. (Progress is also slow on the nearby proposed Obama Presidential Library.

    The S.S.C.C. never had any Black members (not unusual in those times) and only admitted Jewish members in the '30s. (You know, they needed the money.) Proposals were made in the late '60s to admit Jewish and Black members to save the club. The members elected to shut it down, auction offf furniture, supplies and equipment, and sell the property to the Park District.
    , @anon
    @AnotherDad

    https://gab.com/JohnRivers/posts/107664277563932553

    , @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    There's a lot of sentimental bullshit about the Pale. First of all, it was pretty damned large. Not exactly Gaza. Then, it wasn't impossible to get out.


    Jewish merchants of the First Guild (купцы первой гильдии, the wealthiest sosloviye of merchants in the Russian Empire), people with higher or special education, university students, artisans, army tailors, ennobled Jews, soldiers (drafted in accordance with the Recruit Charter of 1810), and their families had the right to live outside the Pale of Settlement.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

    Makes you wonder who was left behind.

    Then there were towns such as Odessa that were in the Pale. Odessa was and is a great town. Before WW2, about 1/3 Jewish.

    All of my grandparents had occupations that enabled them to leave the Pale.

    It was far more restrictive to be black in the US during Jim Crow. Then, anyone even suspected of "one drop" was out of luck.

  108. @YetAnotherAnon
    What's the Brookhaven area of Atlanta like?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/21/british-man-killed-by-stray-bullet-as-he-lay-in-bed-in-atlanta


    An astrophysicist from Surrey has died after being hit by a stray bullet while lying in bed during a trip to Atlanta.

    Dr Matthew Willson, 31, from Chertsey, was shot in the early hours of Friday when a weapon was discharged by a group of individuals from a neighbouring block of flats in the suburb of Brookhaven. No suspects have been arrested.

    According to reports, several residents had phoned the emergency services at about 2am and police attended after multiple shots were fired.

    Willson was believed to have been visiting his girlfriend in Georgia, having flown to the US last week. He was taken to hospital, but died from a gunshot to the head, police said. His death is being investigated as a homicide.

    It is understood he died after a single bullet passed through the bedroom wall as he slept in bed. Police said they believed the incident was a random act involving individuals participating in the reckless discharge of firearms, local TV reported.
     

    I assume these individuals were the usual suspects rather than good old boys with too much moonshine inside them?

    https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/man-shot-in-killed-while-lying-in-bed-police-search-for-suspect

    According to investigators, officers went to an apartment complex in the 3600 block of Buford Hwy. on January 16 to investigate a call "regarding multiple shots fired." Officers were later called to an apartment in the 3100 block of Clairmont Road and found Dr. Matthew Willson of Chertsey lying in a bed with a gunshot wound to his head.
     

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    I used to live in Brookhaven, and most of it was considered relatively safe. The part that wasn’t (and still isn’t) safe is the area described in the article – the area around Buford Highway and Claremont Rd. That area is mostly Latino and Black, so gangbangers from either one could be responsible.

  109. @Paperback Writer
    @Joe Magarac


    Tell American bl*cks that Whites are headed for minority status, and they apparently expect to be ruling the country when that happens. At least, judging by such public pronouncements that get reported.
     
    This is such crap. Let's unpack it.

    1. Black don't expect to be ruling the country, unless you're talking about such intellectual giants as Ibram Kendi and JoyAnn Reid. I have no idea what Willie Smith from Atlanta thinks. He's probably a bit too shrewd to buy that shit.

    2. I'll bet you in 50 years that 75% of the population looks white. Matt Taibi, Keanu Reeves, Christian Yelich, and Travis d'Arnaud all have Asian ancestry. The ones who are married have white wives. Their descendants will be white. A white person born in 2050 may have fractional Hispanic or Asian ancestry - so what?

    Don't worry about that.

    And yes, to African Americans, Jews are White. No amount of critical theory pettifogging about the holocaust can change that, let alone White nationalist reasoning to the contrary.
     
    I consider white Jews to be white. No amount of alt-right screaming about that can change that.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @J.Ross

    2. I’ll bet you in 50 years that 75% of the population looks white. Matt Taibi, Keanu Reeves, Christian Yelich, and Travis d’Arnaud all have Asian ancestry. The ones who are married have white wives. Their descendants will be white. A white person born in 2050 may have fractional Hispanic or Asian ancestry – so what?

    I’ll take that bet. (Well it sort of depends on what is considered to be white. Potter Stewart standard?)

    On statement about mixed, i basically agree. I think if we could just stop immigration most Asians and many Hispanics would just merge into the general “white” population. Secular Jews are intermarrying at a good clip. And the Orthodox who are not, are not the core troublemakers.

    However, people routinely underestimate how Hispanic America is already. In births it’s been running about a million a year–25%. (Compared to 2m whites and 600k blacks.) And while Hispanic fertility has slumped, it’s still well above white and black rates. And there’s still continual large inflows, and evev though Latin America fertility is now at/below replacement those may continue for a while. So that we’re going to be a much “browner” nation seems to me already baked.

    The real unknown is are we going to get better saner elites who will stop the disastrous immigration insanity before we start sucking up the remaining surplus population megasource. My guess is that as Jews–secular but ethnocentric like Schumer–decline in influence and Asians and Hispanics rise, will reach some point were there’s a consensus not to destroy the country. But who knows?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Sorry, buddy, it won't happen.

    The grip The Economist has over 'smart' people is just too strong.

    That is the answer the oracle gives - hidden within in a nutshell, within an enigma.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    I'm not sure what you mean by "I’ll take that bet." You agree with me or not?


    (Well it sort of depends on what is considered to be white. Potter Stewart standard?)"

     

    You mean you'll know it when you see it?

    You did point out a major weakness in my fortune-telling: that we stop immigration, legal and illegal. I actually think there's some good news on the latter. Truly, I think that after a few electoral wallops, even the Deep State will agree that letting the 3rd world flow over the border ain't a good idea.

    Plus guess what - birthrates in Latin America are going down.

    But legal immigration is really the 3rd rail. In my more optimistic moods I think we'll pass new laws. In my pessimistic moods, I think we'll just have another stupid war and go down the drain.

    I agree with you about Asians and Hispanics. It's funny to me that so many pundits thought they were going to be like blacks or Jews (well, a certain, influential type), constantly rehashing their ethnic traumas in public, and they turned out to be normal human beings, like Italians and Polish.

    About the "browning" - you can't always get what you want. Nordics still look down on Italians. There's still tremendous prejudice against them. Back in the day Prots said that Catholics would be the ruination of America. Didn't work out that way, did it?

    PS About Jews - as ethnic Jews assimilate, there will be another group to take their place: Indians. Look at them - they are amazingly similar to Jews. The men are great at business, academic, and the law, and the women are left-maniacs. The similarities are uncanny.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  110. @James N. Kennett
    OT: British doctor, 31, was shot dead in Atlanta while asleep next to his girlfriend, when stray bullet fired 'recklessly' from apartments nearby travelled 800ft through forest and hit him in the head.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10426481/British-doctor-31-killed-stray-bullet-Atlanta-lying-BED.html

    Replies: @epebble

    I was intrigued by the 800ft figure and looked up:

    https://www.pewpewtactical.com/effective-range-pistols-rifles-shotguns/

    Only Rifles seem to be able to kill that well at that distance. I find it hard to believe that someone randomly fires a rifle from an apartment into a forest for fun at night. The ‘recklessly ‘ doesn’t seem so.

  111. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    “Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country.
     
    Who a nation "belongs" to is an interesting and important question. But i think the reasonable answer is that it belongs to the people who sustain and maintain it as a nation. I.e. if some group leaves and the nation struggles or is no longer essentially the same nation--then it is their nation. If another group leaves and the nation is still there, still functioning, still essentially the same nation, then it is not their nation.

    But we don't even have to have resolution on that question to deal with Jewish minoritarian whining.

    I'm--obviously--no expert on the Pale, but my understanding is if a Jew in the Pale wanted to move to Russia, they were supposed to Russify--speak Russian and adopt Orthodoxy. In other words, if they wanted to live in Russia, they should be a Russian. The horror! (My understanding is also that of course there were all sorts of loopholes so in practice there were in fact Jews all over Russia.) (If your point is that the Pale should not have been under the control of Russia, but rather a bunch of independent nations of the people there, i agree. I'm against empire. I'm for republican self-government. Suffice it to say that is not that actual Jewish complaint.)

    On America though my understanding is clear: Unlike blacks, Jews always had all the same civil rights as any other American. Nonetheless, you've managed to whine about some Lutheran or Catholic neighborhoods in Minneapolis in 1940 that kept out Jews to keep themselves ... Lutheran or Catholic! Private choices about whom to associate with. God forbid that Lutherans or Catholics would find it amenable to live around other Lutherans or other Catholics. I can't think of any other group which shows such repugnant tribalism.

    This Golfocaust style Jewish whining is the core of minoritarianism: the demand that the majority must not be allowed to look after their ethnic interests, while minorities (i.e. Jews) are free to look after their ethnic interests. No such moral or ethical principle exists. (BTW: as Steve's pointed out the Jews country clubs still exist, still discriminate.)

    As long as Jewish minoritarianism keeps being spouted--rubbed in our faces--i'll keep pointing out the truth. Jews chose tribalism/separatism. Every other tribe in Europe Christianized and melted in with neighbors eventually allowing the formation of these cohesive trust-at-scale nation states that brought on modernity. Basically only the Jews and the Gypsies rejected that and insisted to live among other people but refuse to integrate with them. But if you behave as a separate tribe ... then you'll be treated as ... a separate tribe. How the gentiles react to your tribalism is entirely up to them. (Refusing to associate at all would be perfectly legitimate and reasonable.) What Jews label as "anti-Semitism" is mostly just gentiles treating Jews as a separate tribe, which Jews have chosen--insisted--on being.

    I know this is a deep affront to the Jewish psyche. Jews feel entitled to middle man gentiles. But there is no Jewish--or minority--"right of access" to white gentiles. No such right exists. No matter how much it annoys you, we are not your serfs.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon, @Paperback Writer

    (BTW: as Steve’s pointed out the Jews country clubs still exist, still discriminate.)

    My understanding is that they haven’t for the most part completely banned Non-Jewish members. Other clubs, WASP ones, sometimes were totally exclusive.

    The South Shore Country Club in Chicago was originally a WASP club that tolerated a few Catholics. Eventually it became a hangout for Irish Catholic politicians. (I.e., we took over.) Since the late ’60s/early ’70s it’s been a public course, on which I’ve occasionally played. It may or may not be combined with the adjoining Jackson Park municipal course and all spiffed up, with some kind of connection to Tiger Woods. It doesn’t seem to be happening so far. (Progress is also slow on the nearby proposed Obama Presidential Library.

    The S.S.C.C. never had any Black members (not unusual in those times) and only admitted Jewish members in the ’30s. (You know, they needed the money.) Proposals were made in the late ’60s to admit Jewish and Black members to save the club. The members elected to shut it down, auction offf furniture, supplies and equipment, and sell the property to the Park District.

  112. @Alrenous
    The Nigerians will largely be Igbo. Igbo have an average IQ higher than 100. The theory is they have Jewish ancestry. Regardless of the reason, they're much more capable than 85-average Bantu-Americans of getting degrees and holding down jobs.

    Also of note: why did the Hutu attempt to genocide the Tutsi in Rwanda? Because the Hutu are a Bantu tribe and the Tutsi are basically Ethiopian.

    Somalians aren't Bantu either. Again, Ethiopian. Indeed Bantu form a 5% ghetto underclass in Somalia, similar to the ghetto underclass in...where was that....? Oh yes, America.

    Lumping all these together is a lot like being unable to tell the difference between Portugese, Greeks, and Swedes. Perhaps moreso: being unable to tell the difference between Chinese and Filipino.

    In short all your South African problems aren't "African" problems, they're Bantu problems.

    Perhaps someone can enlighten me on the racial breakdown within Nigeria. I know Igbo are a minority, but it's like a 30% minority, I think?

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Some Guy

    please show me the study re 100 IQ Igbo data. It sounds like total BS

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    @Meretricious

    It's def BS if he's talking about all Igbos, rather than some elite subset in the west, and even then that data is probably not based on IQ tests but some school test they do well on because their parents will kick their ass if they don't.

    The most common ancestral groups of regular African-Americans by the way? Igbos: https://blog.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/AEG-4.png

    Source: https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry-reports/african-ethnolinguistic-groups/

  113. @Colin Wright
    @aNewBanner

    'Sasha and Malia seem to be doing just fine. While they are a special case, I hope that third generation immigrant Africans take them as their role models, rather than other, less savory examples.'

    I can hope I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be twenty three.

    I doubt if it's going to happen, though.

    Replies: @Meretricious

    Sasha and Malia are doing fine thanks to affirmative action (for them, their parents and black grandfather). That ain’t “doing fine” in my book

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Meretricious

    'Sasha and Malia are doing fine thanks to affirmative action (for them, their parents and black grandfather). That ain’t “doing fine” in my book'

    ? They're aristocracy.

    You need to learn your place, boy.

  114. All this suggests that to figure out what’s going on with descendants of American slaves over the decades, it’s now necessary to subtract out the immigrants.

    Descendants of American slaves (DOAS)

  115. @Ralph L
    I assume many came from Haiti and Somalia, too. What percentage of the immigrants are on welfare?
    I gather this means the proportion of ADOS to the whole US pop. has fallen, but has the absolute numbers, both mixed and unmixed with immigrants, dropped?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I gather this means the proportion of ADOS to the whole US pop. has fallen, but has the absolute numbers, both mixed and unmixed with immigrants, dropped?

    You need to distinguish between ADOS and DOAS.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    ADOS is the usual formulation for identifying Moochelle type blacks. I suppose DOAS is more correct because ADOS would technically include Colin Powell type Caribbean blacks and even Brazilian-American blacks but that's not how it's used.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  116. @Meretricious
    @Alrenous

    please show me the study re 100 IQ Igbo data. It sounds like total BS

    Replies: @Some Guy

    It’s def BS if he’s talking about all Igbos, rather than some elite subset in the west, and even then that data is probably not based on IQ tests but some school test they do well on because their parents will kick their ass if they don’t.

    The most common ancestral groups of regular African-Americans by the way? Igbos:

    Source: https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry-reports/african-ethnolinguistic-groups/

  117. @Alrenous
    The Nigerians will largely be Igbo. Igbo have an average IQ higher than 100. The theory is they have Jewish ancestry. Regardless of the reason, they're much more capable than 85-average Bantu-Americans of getting degrees and holding down jobs.

    Also of note: why did the Hutu attempt to genocide the Tutsi in Rwanda? Because the Hutu are a Bantu tribe and the Tutsi are basically Ethiopian.

    Somalians aren't Bantu either. Again, Ethiopian. Indeed Bantu form a 5% ghetto underclass in Somalia, similar to the ghetto underclass in...where was that....? Oh yes, America.

    Lumping all these together is a lot like being unable to tell the difference between Portugese, Greeks, and Swedes. Perhaps moreso: being unable to tell the difference between Chinese and Filipino.

    In short all your South African problems aren't "African" problems, they're Bantu problems.

    Perhaps someone can enlighten me on the racial breakdown within Nigeria. I know Igbo are a minority, but it's like a 30% minority, I think?

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Some Guy

    Somalis are if anything worse than Bantus, they’re literally the poorest group in the US.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
    @Some Guy

    Most likely they're importing the Bantu underclass. Bantu in Africa have like 75 IQ since there's no European admixture. Bantu-Americans are mulattoes at around 15%.

    When Somalia lost its government it went on track to becoming the richest African country. E.g. child mortality dropped like a stone, suddenly everyone could afford a cellphone, and they swapped from importing Ethiopian cattle to exporting to Ethiopia. Somalia has a distinctly English law system called Xeer. It's basically just common law. Give it a couple centuries and it will converge on something practically indistinguishable.

    Turns out having the UN around is really, really, really bad for African countries.

    --

    Alternatively it turns out Xeer relies heavily on being part of a clan. If you take the Somalian out of the clan, perhaps they don't respect the law any more. Their local patriarch is a load-bearing element, and naturally Americans import individual Somalis. The patriarchs, wisely, stay in Somalia. They're already winning. What do they need to change?

    Replies: @Some Guy

  118. @Meretricious
    @Colin Wright

    Sasha and Malia are doing fine thanks to affirmative action (for them, their parents and black grandfather). That ain't "doing fine" in my book

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Sasha and Malia are doing fine thanks to affirmative action (for them, their parents and black grandfather). That ain’t “doing fine” in my book’

    ? They’re aristocracy.

    You need to learn your place, boy.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  119. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    “Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country.
     
    Who a nation "belongs" to is an interesting and important question. But i think the reasonable answer is that it belongs to the people who sustain and maintain it as a nation. I.e. if some group leaves and the nation struggles or is no longer essentially the same nation--then it is their nation. If another group leaves and the nation is still there, still functioning, still essentially the same nation, then it is not their nation.

    But we don't even have to have resolution on that question to deal with Jewish minoritarian whining.

    I'm--obviously--no expert on the Pale, but my understanding is if a Jew in the Pale wanted to move to Russia, they were supposed to Russify--speak Russian and adopt Orthodoxy. In other words, if they wanted to live in Russia, they should be a Russian. The horror! (My understanding is also that of course there were all sorts of loopholes so in practice there were in fact Jews all over Russia.) (If your point is that the Pale should not have been under the control of Russia, but rather a bunch of independent nations of the people there, i agree. I'm against empire. I'm for republican self-government. Suffice it to say that is not that actual Jewish complaint.)

    On America though my understanding is clear: Unlike blacks, Jews always had all the same civil rights as any other American. Nonetheless, you've managed to whine about some Lutheran or Catholic neighborhoods in Minneapolis in 1940 that kept out Jews to keep themselves ... Lutheran or Catholic! Private choices about whom to associate with. God forbid that Lutherans or Catholics would find it amenable to live around other Lutherans or other Catholics. I can't think of any other group which shows such repugnant tribalism.

    This Golfocaust style Jewish whining is the core of minoritarianism: the demand that the majority must not be allowed to look after their ethnic interests, while minorities (i.e. Jews) are free to look after their ethnic interests. No such moral or ethical principle exists. (BTW: as Steve's pointed out the Jews country clubs still exist, still discriminate.)

    As long as Jewish minoritarianism keeps being spouted--rubbed in our faces--i'll keep pointing out the truth. Jews chose tribalism/separatism. Every other tribe in Europe Christianized and melted in with neighbors eventually allowing the formation of these cohesive trust-at-scale nation states that brought on modernity. Basically only the Jews and the Gypsies rejected that and insisted to live among other people but refuse to integrate with them. But if you behave as a separate tribe ... then you'll be treated as ... a separate tribe. How the gentiles react to your tribalism is entirely up to them. (Refusing to associate at all would be perfectly legitimate and reasonable.) What Jews label as "anti-Semitism" is mostly just gentiles treating Jews as a separate tribe, which Jews have chosen--insisted--on being.

    I know this is a deep affront to the Jewish psyche. Jews feel entitled to middle man gentiles. But there is no Jewish--or minority--"right of access" to white gentiles. No such right exists. No matter how much it annoys you, we are not your serfs.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon, @Paperback Writer

  120. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    They say that intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in your head simultaneously.

    Is it possible that for black Africans , even though "systemic racism" exists in America and it is not a paradise for blacks ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house), conditions here are better than they are in their home country? Conditions in America don't need to be perfect, only better, in order for people to want to come here.

    As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose). When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel, was this minoritarian whining or their desire to have the same rights as other Americans?

    "Minoritarian whining" takes as its starting point the assumption that the country "belongs" exclusively to the majority and that minorities are "guests" who can stay only according to the whims of the "real" owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their "guest" status.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Some Guy, @Houston 1992, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    ‘…As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose)…’

    Considering serfdom only ended in 1862, that would be a decidedly narrow window within which most others could move about but Jews couldn’t.

    Also, the Pale really was pretty big. You sure the restriction was all that onerous?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    First of all, not all Russians were serfs.

    2nd, as for the Pale being big, consider what it would be like if white people could live anywhere in America except for the coasts. So NY, Washington, LA, SF would be out. Would you say that is not onerous? That still leaves a lot of space from Ohio to Nevada, so it ain't so bad.

    It's true that most Jews had no desire to live outside the Pale but people who were upwardly mobile wanted to live in the major cities where the universities were, where the industries were, etc.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  121. Rob says:
    @Discordiax
    How the second generation is doing?
    Anecdotally, better than Descendants-of-American-slaves, but some reversion to mean. First-gen parents are strict, old-school Tiger-mom (and dad) types.

    Second gen are, as teenagers, teenagers with strict parents. So as a group, better than teenagers as a group.

    Third gen all bets are off.

    Replies: @bjdubbs, @Brutusale, @PaceLaw, @Rob

    I saw an article once about Nigerians who live in America sending their American-born children to Nigerian boarding schools. Ostensibly they did t for culture, discipline, being in a place where the default is black. One big advantage those kids will have coming to America?

    Accents. We tend to prefer African and Caribbean accents over mumble-mouthed ADOS types whose vocabulary mainly consists of ninja.

    I do wonder though about Americans learning more sophisticated stereotypes about Nigerians. They are a nation of ebony gypsies, so frequent are their scams. I have read that the fraudsters are almost entirely Igbo. The smart ones.

    [MORE]

    We hbd-ers tend to focus on IQ. Analytical intelligence is very important and can be semi-objectively measured, but populations differ on every quantitative trait. If a phenotype varies between individuals in one race, it likely has a different mean and standard deviation in various populations.

    IIRC, Nigeria is a middle-income country, no? Google says purchasing power parity per capita income in Nigeria is \$5100. That puts it solidly in the not-a-hellhole club of nations. I’d bet that oil is the big driver of the economy, so that means very unequally distributed wealth and income. If I had to guess, I would say the biggest driver of any African economic growth in China. China buys a lot of raw materials, including oil. Whether they buy a lot from Nigeria or not, commodities are sold on a world market. Chinese demand for raw materials coupled with the production of cheap consumer (and maybe industrial?) goods mean Africans are not necessarily in dire poverty.

    The Economy of Nigeria Wikipedia article said Swiss banks are returning money stolen by the last(?) Nigerian dictator. It’d be nice to have some reform in that area. The amount of wealth stolen from Africa s amazing, given the poverty of the non-white Africans. Personally, it would not bother me a bit if African countries repudiated the “national” debts incurred by former rulers. There is such a thing as responsible, ethical lending. If you loaned some African Big Man 500 million to built a 1000 gold-plates stature of muh dick in every village of the country, and Big Man put the debt on the country’s credit card, then you don’t deserve to be paid back. Did lots of rich people buy Nigerian bonds? I look at like the Greek debt incurred when they went on the Euro. Investors were hung-ho to buy Greek debt. The interest rates were quite high. Being on the Euro, Greece could not inflate the drachma to devalue the debt. Investors could not lose! Thing is though, that a country that doesn’t produce anything more advanced than olive oil and cheese is not going to grow at whatever rate it would take for them to actually pay the interest and principal on the debt. Blood? stones? turnips? There’s a saying or two about that sort of thing.

    It’s kind of like Puerto Rico’s debt. The interest rate was too good to pass up. Every big bond buyers guys wanted in. But Puerto Rico cannot service that sort of debt. If it could produce wealth just willy nilly like that, then they would not have borrowed that kind of money in the first place. But the interest rates and tax advantages of bills made “investing” in this third-world island dependency irresistible. The investors need to take a haircut. Responsible lending will happen if the government can just let poor investors take a loss.

    There’s something fishy about big money and government debt. Let’s say the government is going to tax my 1,000 million dollar income at 30%. That’s 300 million dollars. I have a billion freaking dollars a year income! I can hire some lobbyists and suggest-not offering a “deal” – that Senators instrumental in cutting my taxes will have board seats that require 2 weeks of “work” a year for 100k/year. So, the government cut my tax rate to 15%. That’s \$150 million/year in my pocket. But the government? Now it has a 150 million dollar hole in the budget! Not a problem, my eternally squabbling two halves of the Duopoly party. I will buy 150 million dollars of government bonds every year. In exchange for this “investment,” you will pay me x% interest a year, then give me my “investment” back when the bonds mature!

    What do rich investors get in exchange for this? Well. Just in this one transaction, government debt increases 150M/year. The government’s finances are a mess! How can these irresponsible politicians not run the country like a business? It’s time for some austerity. Universal healthcare? Every single first-world country has this, right? It was too expensive. The government’s finances are in such dire straits. Quantitative easing? We can afford that. We can’t afford not to do that. Hard-nosed business realities.

    Instead of paying 150M/year in tax, he gets paid interest on the money that should have gone to the government as tax, plus he gets the 150M when the bonds mature! Whatever comes next after the house of cards collapses, unless it is a Chinese superstate of sino-supermen, then all bets are off. Otherwise, the successor state will not have the laxity and insouciance about debt that “we” have. They will not have the (actually progressive) public education system topped with “independent” institutions that are dependent on the government to pay most of their bills, but they are not the government, so unis don’t have to do things like “not discriminate by race” or “allow free speech” or give students accused of crimes “due process” a 100k or more debt for everyone who wants to join the middle+ class, topped off by a government that owes so much money that no one can see what’s on the other side of the coming crisis. To add insult to injury of student debt, bankers get to collect interest on the federally-guaranteed loans. Zero risk for the banks. Pure profit. Because of Republicans.

    The provisional government will execute businessmen who lobby to goose “growth” today with unpayable bills tomorrow.

    You know that jackass behind the Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin? His take on why Chinese, not just the capitalists, but Joe and Jane Chinaman have seen their lives materially improve over the decades since the Soviets collapsed, often drastically, but despite huge “growth” in the west, Joe Sixpack and Jane Winebox have seen their incomes and living standards drop precipitously. How per capita median income has not declined significantly because people are having fewer children because the resources to raise them are so expensive? Anglin’s answer is simplicity itself.

    China rises and the West is being strangled by the financier class because China does not have Jews.

    Just something to keep in mind. Maybe a few decades of economic populism and nationalism will
    restore some balance to America’s class structure.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Rob

    You seem like an intelligent person. Do you really think that's the main difference between China and the US - that we have Jews and they don't and so if you got rid of the Jews then America would be just like China?

    BTW, birthrates in China have collapsed (even after they got rid of the one-child policy) and are now below US rates so their Judenrein affordable family formation is no better than in Jew-infested America.

    Replies: @Rob

  122. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    They say that intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in your head simultaneously.

    Is it possible that for black Africans , even though "systemic racism" exists in America and it is not a paradise for blacks ( for example well educated (immigrant) blacks get mistaken for ghetto blacks and are suspected of stealing their own bicycles or breaking into their own house), conditions here are better than they are in their home country? Conditions in America don't need to be perfect, only better, in order for people to want to come here.

    As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose). When blacks in America wanted to buy a house outside of the ghetto or to stay in a hotel, was this minoritarian whining or their desire to have the same rights as other Americans?

    "Minoritarian whining" takes as its starting point the assumption that the country "belongs" exclusively to the majority and that minorities are "guests" who can stay only according to the whims of the "real" owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their "guest" status.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Some Guy, @Houston 1992, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    ‘“Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their “guest” status…’

    With reference to Imperial Russia, the Jews weren’t treated as you imply. They were regarded as entirely entitled to reside within the areas they had long resided in; that’s what the Pale was.

    The Imperial Russian government was merely leery of them moving into Russia proper — and bringing with them all the ills that were so manifest in the Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, and rest of the territories lying within the Pale.

    If one thinks of the Tsarist state as an empire rather than a country, then the Russian position becomes no more unreasonable than Britain declining to allow Nigerians to move from Nigeria to Britain. There was no natural law that said that merely because the Tsars had acquired a region, they were obliged to allow the inhabitants of that region to move to Russia proper.

    You’re perceiving some massive injustice where there wasn’t one. So the Jews were confined to the Pale. Hey: on the bright side, they weren’t serfs. They weren’t confined to the estate of their master.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    But it wasn't like Nigeria , a distance colony where no one has the right of residence in Britain. It would be more like if people in Scotland didn't have the right of residence in England. And it would be like if this applied only to Scottish Presbyterians and not to the rest of the Scottish population.

    The May Laws applied expressly to Jews and not to the Christian citizens of the Russian Empire.

  123. ‘…All this suggests that to figure out what’s going on with descendants of American slaves over the decades, it’s now necessary to subtract out the immigrants.’

    Why subtract them out?

    Make them pay! After all, they, not us, are the descendants of those who actually enslaved our Negroes.

    Reparations! Start seizing the assets of the African blacks that are here and give them to the descendants of their victims.

  124. Aren’t the bulk of black immigrants from the Caribbean as opposed to African? There are like 1M Haitians and Haitian Americans in this country.

  125. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    The serfs were liberated in 1861. The Pale of Settlement lasted until the downfall of the Czarist government in 1917.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright

    And conscription only applied to Jews from 1827. And even after liberation serfs couldn’t move as an American would take for granted, they merely enjoyed a legal possibility when the stars were right. If comparison to any group of people demonstrates Jewish suffering, surely the weakest group comparison is with Russian serfs.

  126. @Paperback Writer
    @Joe Magarac


    Tell American bl*cks that Whites are headed for minority status, and they apparently expect to be ruling the country when that happens. At least, judging by such public pronouncements that get reported.
     
    This is such crap. Let's unpack it.

    1. Black don't expect to be ruling the country, unless you're talking about such intellectual giants as Ibram Kendi and JoyAnn Reid. I have no idea what Willie Smith from Atlanta thinks. He's probably a bit too shrewd to buy that shit.

    2. I'll bet you in 50 years that 75% of the population looks white. Matt Taibi, Keanu Reeves, Christian Yelich, and Travis d'Arnaud all have Asian ancestry. The ones who are married have white wives. Their descendants will be white. A white person born in 2050 may have fractional Hispanic or Asian ancestry - so what?

    Don't worry about that.

    And yes, to African Americans, Jews are White. No amount of critical theory pettifogging about the holocaust can change that, let alone White nationalist reasoning to the contrary.
     
    I consider white Jews to be white. No amount of alt-right screaming about that can change that.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @J.Ross

    The majority of the whites who will exist will be thoroughly programmed, either to think that neutrality and objectivity require them to feel nothing for their people, or to actively hate their own kind. As a thought experiment, apply this to a national population of Jews. As a further experiment, imagine an enemy group deliberately propagating this through education and entertainment.

  127. @Marat
    Off topic, but wondered if you were following this Steve ...

    There's an amusing tempest in a teapot underway now as the "Sex and the City" reboot delivers much filth, misery, and confusion as fallout for living the Progressive Lifestyle to the hilt. Fans of the show are hopping mad and confused about why the writers are serving up a pile of meaningless crap, complete with dyke worship, broken men, "perfect" bipoc characters with functional lives compared to the original characters, and teenage offspring angrily trapped in leftie world-view conflicts with the equally confused parents.

    The writers are angry at the fans' hostile reactions and are recording talks where they promote their choices for plot developments. Samantha Irby is one of the "celebrated" writers, apparently on the greased Ta-Nehisi Coates fast track, and she has plenty of traumatic dysfunctional angst to transfer to the screen. A 2 minute scan of her writing explains everything.

    The fans have developed several hilarious reaction sites that review each episode, and are generally aware that there's been a creative hostile takeover/agenda, but they don't quite grasp that it's an extension of the culture war and that they are the target. Cynthia Nixon can't help but inject her politics directly to her story line.

    Many listeners were of an age where they were unaware that the show was always meant to push the envelope of the feminism/ gay agenda, with purses and cute outfits as bait. Two-plus decades later, the same entertainment crew (and their young pets) don't seem very happy to be with their cultural victories. One might suspect the revolution doesn't quite know where it is going in spite of much enthusiasm for agitating to get to that equality promised land - over there - somewhere. They probably figure they'll know it when they see it, and that's good enough reason to tear up every last remaining bit of the patriarchy now. Afterall, what did the patriarchy ever do for them?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >female and/or gay project ruined because infighting made communication impossible
    Many such cases. Men have many strengths but perhaps the most important is the ability to work alongside people you don’t like.

  128. I assume Nigerian immigrants can take advantage of Affirmative Action thereby denying a white person a place in university.

  129. Meanwhile in Britain.

    “Latest analysis put the homicide rate for black people at five for every 100,000 people, but it was even higher for black youngsters aged 16-24, who during the last 20 years were 10.6 times more likely to be killed than their white counterparts. Even more alarmingly, that had increased, and in 2018-19 young black people were 24 times more likely to be homicide victims than young white people.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/17/risk-in-england-and-wales-much-higher-for-black-people

  130. @Dr. X
    I thought we were supposed to quit importing Africans in 1808. WTF...

    Replies: @Dream

    “In the early 1900s, the largest number of black immigrants were English-speaking Caribbeans (West Indians) who settled in the Northeast, mainly in New York City. These immigrants were only 1.3 percent of the NYC population and faced intense racism, but by 1923 they became a 12.7 percent of the city’s population.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_immigration_to_New_York_City#History

  131. @anonymous
    Off-topic

    One of the few white countries left is going to begin settling non-white refugees. Lithuania took in over 4,000 from Iraq and Africa last year because Belarus sent them as a gift. Lithuania has managed to push some out by paying for flights but 3,500 are hell bent on remaining in a country of 3 million people.

    "We need to start thinking what we will do when the term in refugee centres will be over,” said Tomas Vytautas Raskevičius, the chairman of the Lithuanian parliamentary committee for human rights. “To talk about integration. Otherwise, they will try to reach other European countries."
     
    https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/02/lithuania-pays-migrants-1-000-to-return-to-iraq

    Lithuania had a new government last year with an extremely pro-Washington foreign policy. Lithuania is the base for operations against Lithuania and opening a trade office with Taiwan using the name Taiwan (caused a rupture with Beijing). Lithuania may well get the US troops it wants permanently stationed in the country but it will also get a multi-cultural society.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Once Lithuania goes black – which it will – then you know for certain that the white race is finished.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    What pisses me off about this is the Lithuanians are oblivious. Do they not understand the trade offs of getting closer to Washington to get troops? They can't understand NATO membership is enough. They don't need to station 1,000 NATO troops. They also don't respect the point of view of the Belarus government and instead just tune out Belarusian concerns by calling the leader a dictator. They poke China in the eye but why do they care about the Taiwan issue? The cost will of course be immense. The country will become multi-racial. Lithuanians have no idea of the cost yet so many have lived in the UK and Germany. Honestly, what a dumb people.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  132. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    2. I’ll bet you in 50 years that 75% of the population looks white. Matt Taibi, Keanu Reeves, Christian Yelich, and Travis d’Arnaud all have Asian ancestry. The ones who are married have white wives. Their descendants will be white. A white person born in 2050 may have fractional Hispanic or Asian ancestry – so what?
     
    I'll take that bet. (Well it sort of depends on what is considered to be white. Potter Stewart standard?)

    On statement about mixed, i basically agree. I think if we could just stop immigration most Asians and many Hispanics would just merge into the general "white" population. Secular Jews are intermarrying at a good clip. And the Orthodox who are not, are not the core troublemakers.

    However, people routinely underestimate how Hispanic America is already. In births it's been running about a million a year--25%. (Compared to 2m whites and 600k blacks.) And while Hispanic fertility has slumped, it's still well above white and black rates. And there's still continual large inflows, and evev though Latin America fertility is now at/below replacement those may continue for a while. So that we're going to be a much "browner" nation seems to me already baked.

    The real unknown is are we going to get better saner elites who will stop the disastrous immigration insanity before we start sucking up the remaining surplus population megasource. My guess is that as Jews--secular but ethnocentric like Schumer--decline in influence and Asians and Hispanics rise, will reach some point were there's a consensus not to destroy the country. But who knows?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer

    Sorry, buddy, it won’t happen.

    The grip The Economist has over ‘smart’ people is just too strong.

    That is the answer the oracle gives – hidden within in a nutshell, within an enigma.

  133. About 10 years ago, our brilliant management brought in an African knigbo from the factory floor. He was working on his bachelor’s degree, and our organization needed some “color”, the powers that be decreed.

    This c olored boy was from Cameroon, a la Eddie Murphy’s character in Trading Places. He had an accent, and was more pleasant than a homegrown knig, but a knig he was nevertheless, and he was as worthless as shite on a stick. After a month, he called a knigro HR rep, and bailed out back to the factory.

  134. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    The serfs were liberated in 1861. The Pale of Settlement lasted until the downfall of the Czarist government in 1917.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright

    ‘The serfs were liberated in 1861. The Pale of Settlement lasted until the downfall of the Czarist government in 1917.’

    So in the victimhood contest, you could say the gentiles held the title until 1862, then you took it from then until 1917, then the gentiles got it back until you staged a major comeback in 1941-1943, then it was kind of a tie — except you all wound up as the wealthiest group in the wealthiest nation on earth while they’re still stuck in the Ukraine and Poland and all that.

    …but what’s your point?

  135. @epebble
    @aNewBanner

    Hmm, if these:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10419577/Barack-Obamas-daughters-Malia-Sasha-spotted-Los-Angeles.html

    were my daughters, I would be mighty pissed. Fortunately, you can't pay my son a million dollars to trash walk (or smoke) like these.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Is it just me, or do both those girls look like they’ve imbibed a lot of pain and hatred?

  136. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    2. I’ll bet you in 50 years that 75% of the population looks white. Matt Taibi, Keanu Reeves, Christian Yelich, and Travis d’Arnaud all have Asian ancestry. The ones who are married have white wives. Their descendants will be white. A white person born in 2050 may have fractional Hispanic or Asian ancestry – so what?
     
    I'll take that bet. (Well it sort of depends on what is considered to be white. Potter Stewart standard?)

    On statement about mixed, i basically agree. I think if we could just stop immigration most Asians and many Hispanics would just merge into the general "white" population. Secular Jews are intermarrying at a good clip. And the Orthodox who are not, are not the core troublemakers.

    However, people routinely underestimate how Hispanic America is already. In births it's been running about a million a year--25%. (Compared to 2m whites and 600k blacks.) And while Hispanic fertility has slumped, it's still well above white and black rates. And there's still continual large inflows, and evev though Latin America fertility is now at/below replacement those may continue for a while. So that we're going to be a much "browner" nation seems to me already baked.

    The real unknown is are we going to get better saner elites who will stop the disastrous immigration insanity before we start sucking up the remaining surplus population megasource. My guess is that as Jews--secular but ethnocentric like Schumer--decline in influence and Asians and Hispanics rise, will reach some point were there's a consensus not to destroy the country. But who knows?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer

    I’m not sure what you mean by “I’ll take that bet.” You agree with me or not?

    (Well it sort of depends on what is considered to be white. Potter Stewart standard?)”

    You mean you’ll know it when you see it?

    You did point out a major weakness in my fortune-telling: that we stop immigration, legal and illegal. I actually think there’s some good news on the latter. Truly, I think that after a few electoral wallops, even the Deep State will agree that letting the 3rd world flow over the border ain’t a good idea.

    Plus guess what – birthrates in Latin America are going down.

    But legal immigration is really the 3rd rail. In my more optimistic moods I think we’ll pass new laws. In my pessimistic moods, I think we’ll just have another stupid war and go down the drain.

    I agree with you about Asians and Hispanics. It’s funny to me that so many pundits thought they were going to be like blacks or Jews (well, a certain, influential type), constantly rehashing their ethnic traumas in public, and they turned out to be normal human beings, like Italians and Polish.

    About the “browning” – you can’t always get what you want. Nordics still look down on Italians. There’s still tremendous prejudice against them. Back in the day Prots said that Catholics would be the ruination of America. Didn’t work out that way, did it?

    PS About Jews – as ethnic Jews assimilate, there will be another group to take their place: Indians. Look at them – they are amazingly similar to Jews. The men are great at business, academic, and the law, and the women are left-maniacs. The similarities are uncanny.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    But legal immigration is really the 3rd rail. In my more optimistic moods I think we’ll pass new laws.
     
    Simple, even local, laws would do the trick-- e.g., require the employer to insure the immigrant's entire family. Higher minimum wage for the not on the voter rolls. What is the opposition going to say to that? Even if these fail, the publicity would resonate. Look at the ERA. Most of it has been enacted by legislation and court decisions.

    BTW, as I was reading one of your comments this morning, my kids were playing music in the other room-- "Paperback Writer".

    Replies: @epebble, @Paperback Writer

  137. @Anonymous
    @Ralph L


    I gather this means the proportion of ADOS to the whole US pop. has fallen, but has the absolute numbers, both mixed and unmixed with immigrants, dropped?
     
    You need to distinguish between ADOS and DOAS.

    Replies: @Jack D

    ADOS is the usual formulation for identifying Moochelle type blacks. I suppose DOAS is more correct because ADOS would technically include Colin Powell type Caribbean blacks and even Brazilian-American blacks but that’s not how it’s used.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'ADOS is the usual formulation for identifying Moochelle type blacks. I suppose DOAS is more correct because ADOS would technically include Colin Powell type Caribbean blacks and even Brazilian-American blacks but that’s not how it’s used.'

    It's amusing to contemplate the implicit notion that we're responsible for not only the sin of having enslaved blacks but also for the sins of others who enslaved blacks.

    I wonder if it's that Christian martyrdom thing? 'yes, we did it! Punish us!' After all, a white all of whose ancestors either came here after 1865 or whose only connection with slavery was that he had an ancestor who fought on the Union side will quite willingly (at least in some cases) agree with the notion that he somehow owes blacks reparations. But he'll turn around and be horrified at the notion that the Germans could murder some Jews because they felt other Jews were behind the bombing of their cities.

    The logical inconsistency never seems to strike him. It really is the most appalling nonsense. Would Chinese or dot-Indians buy into something that stupid?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

  138. @Rob
    @Discordiax

    I saw an article once about Nigerians who live in America sending their American-born children to Nigerian boarding schools. Ostensibly they did t for culture, discipline, being in a place where the default is black. One big advantage those kids will have coming to America?

    Accents. We tend to prefer African and Caribbean accents over mumble-mouthed ADOS types whose vocabulary mainly consists of ninja.

    I do wonder though about Americans learning more sophisticated stereotypes about Nigerians. They are a nation of ebony gypsies, so frequent are their scams. I have read that the fraudsters are almost entirely Igbo. The smart ones.

    We hbd-ers tend to focus on IQ. Analytical intelligence is very important and can be semi-objectively measured, but populations differ on every quantitative trait. If a phenotype varies between individuals in one race, it likely has a different mean and standard deviation in various populations.

    IIRC, Nigeria is a middle-income country, no? Google says purchasing power parity per capita income in Nigeria is $5100. That puts it solidly in the not-a-hellhole club of nations. I’d bet that oil is the big driver of the economy, so that means very unequally distributed wealth and income. If I had to guess, I would say the biggest driver of any African economic growth in China. China buys a lot of raw materials, including oil. Whether they buy a lot from Nigeria or not, commodities are sold on a world market. Chinese demand for raw materials coupled with the production of cheap consumer (and maybe industrial?) goods mean Africans are not necessarily in dire poverty.

    The Economy of Nigeria Wikipedia article said Swiss banks are returning money stolen by the last(?) Nigerian dictator. It’d be nice to have some reform in that area. The amount of wealth stolen from Africa s amazing, given the poverty of the non-white Africans. Personally, it would not bother me a bit if African countries repudiated the “national” debts incurred by former rulers. There is such a thing as responsible, ethical lending. If you loaned some African Big Man 500 million to built a 1000 gold-plates stature of muh dick in every village of the country, and Big Man put the debt on the country’s credit card, then you don’t deserve to be paid back. Did lots of rich people buy Nigerian bonds? I look at like the Greek debt incurred when they went on the Euro. Investors were hung-ho to buy Greek debt. The interest rates were quite high. Being on the Euro, Greece could not inflate the drachma to devalue the debt. Investors could not lose! Thing is though, that a country that doesn’t produce anything more advanced than olive oil and cheese is not going to grow at whatever rate it would take for them to actually pay the interest and principal on the debt. Blood? stones? turnips? There’s a saying or two about that sort of thing.

    It’s kind of like Puerto Rico’s debt. The interest rate was too good to pass up. Every big bond buyers guys wanted in. But Puerto Rico cannot service that sort of debt. If it could produce wealth just willy nilly like that, then they would not have borrowed that kind of money in the first place. But the interest rates and tax advantages of bills made “investing” in this third-world island dependency irresistible. The investors need to take a haircut. Responsible lending will happen if the government can just let poor investors take a loss.

    There’s something fishy about big money and government debt. Let’s say the government is going to tax my 1,000 million dollar income at 30%. That’s 300 million dollars. I have a billion freaking dollars a year income! I can hire some lobbyists and suggest-not offering a “deal” - that Senators instrumental in cutting my taxes will have board seats that require 2 weeks of “work” a year for 100k/year. So, the government cut my tax rate to 15%. That’s $150 million/year in my pocket. But the government? Now it has a 150 million dollar hole in the budget! Not a problem, my eternally squabbling two halves of the Duopoly party. I will buy 150 million dollars of government bonds every year. In exchange for this “investment,” you will pay me x% interest a year, then give me my “investment” back when the bonds mature!

    What do rich investors get in exchange for this? Well. Just in this one transaction, government debt increases 150M/year. The government's finances are a mess! How can these irresponsible politicians not run the country like a business? It’s time for some austerity. Universal healthcare? Every single first-world country has this, right? It was too expensive. The government's finances are in such dire straits. Quantitative easing? We can afford that. We can’t afford not to do that. Hard-nosed business realities.

    Instead of paying 150M/year in tax, he gets paid interest on the money that should have gone to the government as tax, plus he gets the 150M when the bonds mature! Whatever comes next after the house of cards collapses, unless it is a Chinese superstate of sino-supermen, then all bets are off. Otherwise, the successor state will not have the laxity and insouciance about debt that “we” have. They will not have the (actually progressive) public education system topped with “independent” institutions that are dependent on the government to pay most of their bills, but they are not the government, so unis don’t have to do things like “not discriminate by race” or “allow free speech” or give students accused of crimes “due process” a 100k or more debt for everyone who wants to join the middle+ class, topped off by a government that owes so much money that no one can see what’s on the other side of the coming crisis. To add insult to injury of student debt, bankers get to collect interest on the federally-guaranteed loans. Zero risk for the banks. Pure profit. Because of Republicans.

    The provisional government will execute businessmen who lobby to goose “growth” today with unpayable bills tomorrow.

    You know that jackass behind the Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin? His take on why Chinese, not just the capitalists, but Joe and Jane Chinaman have seen their lives materially improve over the decades since the Soviets collapsed, often drastically, but despite huge “growth” in the west, Joe Sixpack and Jane Winebox have seen their incomes and living standards drop precipitously. How per capita median income has not declined significantly because people are having fewer children because the resources to raise them are so expensive? Anglin’s answer is simplicity itself.

    China rises and the West is being strangled by the financier class because China does not have Jews.

    Just something to keep in mind. Maybe a few decades of economic populism and nationalism will
    restore some balance to America’s class structure.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You seem like an intelligent person. Do you really think that’s the main difference between China and the US – that we have Jews and they don’t and so if you got rid of the Jews then America would be just like China?

    BTW, birthrates in China have collapsed (even after they got rid of the one-child policy) and are now below US rates so their Judenrein affordable family formation is no better than in Jew-infested America.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Jack D

    No. I am not dumb enough to think that. I’m smart enough to think that other people think that, You know how they say antisemitism is socialism for morons? If you substitute investor (what capitalists call themselves these days) for Jew, you are pretty close to reality. I think that capital has been favored for too long. I would not have as much of a problem with that if ownership of capital were spread more widely. The country is getting dumber, communicating is easier and somewhat less mediated. I’m more a free market communist. I think (some) capital should either be owned by the government and a citizen’s dividend go to each adult, or capital should be taxed and the money distributed as above. This would not change capitalists' capital allocation, as all alternative uses of capital would also be subject to the same tax rate.

    I am eternally angry at President Clinton not for not investing social security money in capital. Real capital, the means of production. It would be fantastic if the people owned the means of production. I think government debt needs to be reined in. That too means taxing capital.

    I think the (possibly) coming biotech miracles could make everyone better off, but I fear it will not be available to everyone. Let’s say infusing plasma from young people into old people actually retards aging, even reverses some of it. I don’t think the country will be improved by the wealthy being vampires. Do you?

    I think the economy no longer works well for everyone. Society has been getting worse for a lot of people who are not smart enough to (real) college graduate-level work. The Democrats’ solution, retraining with no one interested in hiring them has been tried over and over. It fails pretty much every time. The right’s solution, let them eat cake, could turn disastrous. At a minimum, we need to cut off unskilled immigration completely.

    I know it never worked well for everyone, but there were periods when life was improving for people lower on the economic scale. There was a time when the country’s real capital per capita was increasing. I fear we are regressing on that.

    We are getting less good at sorting people into jobs they’d be good at because blacks pool at the bottom. It’s great (i guess) that there are black “AI researchers,” but if investing in AI does not actually produce AI, the investment will stop.

    I am smart enough to think that in China, the communist party concerns itself with ensuring that economic changes strengthen the country and lots of people share in economic growth, but in America, very wealthy people have captured the government. Economic growth benefits an ever-smaller swathe of America.

    As for kids, East Asians may have a lower TFR than whites, but they also have fewer internal enemies/competitors. If Korea’s population declines 50%, they will still be Korea. When the white population declines 50%, the US will be a polyethnic Latin American country. I have read that immigrant fertility drops to the native fertility rate, but I've seen it from people with an anti-white agenda. Much like facts about jews from antisemites, they’d say it even if false. If immigrants won’t have kids either, then immigration is pointless. It cannot fix demographic problems but does bring immigrant problems. China has a slightly worse situation than Korea because it has more non-Han ethnicities. But the Chinese government is pro-Han. I’m not a fan of genocide, but culturecide is not automatically terrible. The individual yet to be born grandchildren of camp-programmed Uighurs may be happier integrated into a first (or zeroth) world culture than the horrid medieval mishmash they’d get on their own.

    Not to mention, Orientals are more pragmatic than whites. If having a kid with a 1.33σ IQ takes in vitro, then Oriental women will use in vitro. White women? Who knows. Genetically, American whites are getting genetically higher on religiosity. Whether that’ll express itself in blank slate progressivism, bio-progress, or fundie Christianity is as yet unknown. Someone worked out what traits are under positive selection in various American populations according to the GSS. Whites are getting dumber and more religious, but better on physical and mental health.

    Remember however many years ago when a huge chunk of kids born in the US were minorities? Well. it’s been x years since then. The heavily non-white twenty-somethings are in the workforce, but they are not the design-a-CMOS kind of non-whites. They’re the pick almonds sort of non-whites. The economy will suffer. According to the O-ring theory of economic development (regression) output is optimized by having people of equal skill working together. That is not what the woke want. It might be nearly impossible to design a CPU if half the designers are not smart enough to be doing it. A lot of businesses will fail because they have a 1000-SAT black they hired instead of a 1200-SAT white, for muh diversity. At best, AA hires are deadweight. At worse, they sink enterprises.

    As for the influence of Jews on whites? Thank you for relativity and quantum mechanics. But the culture of critique is pernicious. The damage done to law, where radical Jews legislate from the bench and then conservative gentile judges respect precedent has been pernicious. Acceptance of homosexuality? Largely driven by Jews, but except for all the dead gay men their promiscuity caused, basically neutral. The talented tenth of blacks have lives that are somewhat better and somewhat worse than when they were part of black communities. Instead of being the leading lights of their communities, they are living fetishes to the gods of diversity. The lives of dimmer blacks are much worse, assuming black men prefer not being in prison or wheelchairs.

    The wars for Israel have been disastrous but maybe would have happened without so many Jews pushing them. Southern Christians really like Israel, but never get what they want on anything else, so I’m guessing.

    The fact that China has risen so far and the US has stagnated at best is the product of capital allocation. Ours and theirs. The race so far? There is no reasonable dispute. China’s capital allocators have been fantastic. Ours have been terrible. The policies set by the pawns of capitalists in the US have been mostly terrible. Capitalists and political hack are by no means exclusively Jewish, but Jews have outsized influence, being smarter.

    Look at it this way. Had the influence of whites on African-Americans been largely good or bad? Has the influence of blacks on whites been good or bad, overall? Some people would say bad to the first question (the CRTers). Some people would say good to the second (fools) but answers are possible. The same is possible for the question, “has the influence of Jews been good or bad overall for whites?” Given the preference Jews have for being middlemen in other peoples’ countries and having had bad outcomes in several, Jews should make quite a lot of effort to make people think their effects are positive. They can best do this by being positive influences.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  139. @Houston 1992
    @Jack D

    RE the Russian military draft
    I thought Jews as a community could decide who was drafted rather than the Russian state. The Jewish community selected members until their quota was reached .The Volga Germans lost their draft exemption ,I think , around 1860. I thought that the Jews maintained their privilege until ww1.

    Replies: @Jack D

    According to the “Statute on Conscription Duty” signed by Tsar Nicholas I of Russia on August 26 (September 7 new style), 1827, Jews were made liable to personal military service and were subject to the same conscription quota as all other tax-paying estates (“sosloviya”) in the Russian Empire. The total number of conscripts was uniform for all populations (four conscripts per each thousand subjects); however, the actual recruitment was implemented by the local qahals

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonist#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20%22Statute%20on,%22)%20in%20the%20Russian%20Empire.

    Yes, that’s how it worked – each community was responsible for sending a certain # of people. The way that this worked out in practice was that the younger sons of the Jewish poor got sent, orphans, street children, etc. The kids sent were sometimes as young as 8 years old. The term of service was 25 years (measured from age 18) and most never returned to their community.

    By modern standards the whole thing was terribly cruel and lacking in equity. However, it had its amusing aspects. All cantonists (as the recruits were called) were intentionally underfed and encouraged to steal food from the local population in emulation of Spartan character building (this also saved on the budget). On one occasion in 1856, a Jewish cantonist, Khodulevich, managed to steal the Tsar’s own watch during military games at Uman. Not only was he not punished, but he was given a reward of 25 rubles for his prowess.

    I think one of the things that we see going on now with Russia in Ukraine is that Russia is a country with great martial traditions – even the Revolution did not completely break those traditions. There were European countries (e.g. Prussia) that also had martial traditions but these were largely broken while the Russian ones have survived. So Russia is the last remaining country in Europe that sees war as diplomacy by other means.

  140. @Akash
    My dream policy to troll the woke, has always been import about 2 million Africans with IQs of 115 move to the US and most of our "Kendi" problems go away. Oh suddenly Blacks are doing great, we've achieved anti-racism. It's a Kwanza miracle. 2 Million is raises Black IQ in the us to about 96. Not bad...

    Replies: @Sean

    Negative or downward assimilation. African culture does the heavy lifting, but WEstern culture plases far more pn inherent self control. Hence, the second and the third generation have progressively worse outcomes. It has already been demonstrated over generations by Mexicans in the US.

    • Replies: @George
    @Sean

    "Hence, the second and the third generation have progressively worse outcomes."
    Does that also work with white people? How about Jews? Richard Feynman and Philip Roth, to name 2, have not been replaced after their deaths.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Sean

    '...Hence, the second and the third generation have progressively worse outcomes. It has already been demonstrated over generations by Mexicans in the US.'

    ? That doesn't match my experience at all -- and I lived and worked around Mexicans for eight years or so. Did you?

  141. @Sean
    @Akash

    Negative or downward assimilation. African culture does the heavy lifting, but WEstern culture plases far more pn inherent self control. Hence, the second and the third generation have progressively worse outcomes. It has already been demonstrated over generations by Mexicans in the US.

    Replies: @George, @Colin Wright

    “Hence, the second and the third generation have progressively worse outcomes.”
    Does that also work with white people? How about Jews? Richard Feynman and Philip Roth, to name 2, have not been replaced after their deaths.

  142. @Sean
    @Akash

    Negative or downward assimilation. African culture does the heavy lifting, but WEstern culture plases far more pn inherent self control. Hence, the second and the third generation have progressively worse outcomes. It has already been demonstrated over generations by Mexicans in the US.

    Replies: @George, @Colin Wright

    ‘…Hence, the second and the third generation have progressively worse outcomes. It has already been demonstrated over generations by Mexicans in the US.’

    ? That doesn’t match my experience at all — and I lived and worked around Mexicans for eight years or so. Did you?

  143. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    ADOS is the usual formulation for identifying Moochelle type blacks. I suppose DOAS is more correct because ADOS would technically include Colin Powell type Caribbean blacks and even Brazilian-American blacks but that's not how it's used.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘ADOS is the usual formulation for identifying Moochelle type blacks. I suppose DOAS is more correct because ADOS would technically include Colin Powell type Caribbean blacks and even Brazilian-American blacks but that’s not how it’s used.’

    It’s amusing to contemplate the implicit notion that we’re responsible for not only the sin of having enslaved blacks but also for the sins of others who enslaved blacks.

    I wonder if it’s that Christian martyrdom thing? ‘yes, we did it! Punish us!‘ After all, a white all of whose ancestors either came here after 1865 or whose only connection with slavery was that he had an ancestor who fought on the Union side will quite willingly (at least in some cases) agree with the notion that he somehow owes blacks reparations. But he’ll turn around and be horrified at the notion that the Germans could murder some Jews because they felt other Jews were behind the bombing of their cities.

    The logical inconsistency never seems to strike him. It really is the most appalling nonsense. Would Chinese or dot-Indians buy into something that stupid?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I don't think it's quite the same thing. First of all, I think most Germans born after the war are OK with the notion that Germany still owes reparations to elderly Holocaust survivors.

    2nd, unless they were really nuts, I don't think most white in America are OK with the idea that they should be murdered to avenge for the crimes of their ancestors.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Colin Wright

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Colin Wright


    After all, a white all of whose ancestors either came here after 1865 or whose only connection with slavery was that he had an ancestor who fought on the Union side will quite willingly (at least in some cases) agree with the notion that he somehow owes blacks reparations. But he’ll turn around and be horrified at the notion that the Germans could murder some Jews because they felt other Jews were behind the bombing of their cities.
     
    Genocide and cash reparations would seem to be quite distinct things.
  144. @Anonymous
    I don’t understand why so many Africans are allowed to immigrate to the US. Even most white Democrats must realize that this isn’t a good idea. Why allow people to come here who are going to be a problem in the future and who will undoubtedly commit crime at a higher rate than all other ethnic groups and who will demand Affirmative Action handouts?

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Don’t underestimate the nihilistic self-hatred of the white liberal.

  145. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'ADOS is the usual formulation for identifying Moochelle type blacks. I suppose DOAS is more correct because ADOS would technically include Colin Powell type Caribbean blacks and even Brazilian-American blacks but that’s not how it’s used.'

    It's amusing to contemplate the implicit notion that we're responsible for not only the sin of having enslaved blacks but also for the sins of others who enslaved blacks.

    I wonder if it's that Christian martyrdom thing? 'yes, we did it! Punish us!' After all, a white all of whose ancestors either came here after 1865 or whose only connection with slavery was that he had an ancestor who fought on the Union side will quite willingly (at least in some cases) agree with the notion that he somehow owes blacks reparations. But he'll turn around and be horrified at the notion that the Germans could murder some Jews because they felt other Jews were behind the bombing of their cities.

    The logical inconsistency never seems to strike him. It really is the most appalling nonsense. Would Chinese or dot-Indians buy into something that stupid?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. First of all, I think most Germans born after the war are OK with the notion that Germany still owes reparations to elderly Holocaust survivors.

    2nd, unless they were really nuts, I don’t think most white in America are OK with the idea that they should be murdered to avenge for the crimes of their ancestors.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    First of all, I think most Germans born after the war are OK with the notion that Germany still owes reparations to elderly Holocaust survivors.
     
    Kraut taxpayers expand the Israeli Navy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0zMWirD494
    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. First of all, I think most Germans born after the war are OK with the notion that Germany still owes reparations to elderly Holocaust survivors.'

    That may sound relevant to my point, but it's not.

    '2nd, unless they were really nuts, I don’t think most white in America are OK with the idea that they should be murdered to avenge for the crimes of their ancestors.'

    But they feel they should be punished to some extent. Okay: to what extent should the Jews of Eastern Europe have been punished?

  146. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...As for the Pale, aside from the period pogroms, the reason that it was oppressive was that Jews had to bear the same burdens as other Russian citizens (pay taxes, do military service) without receiving the same benefits (the right to live where they chose)...'

    Considering serfdom only ended in 1862, that would be a decidedly narrow window within which most others could move about but Jews couldn't.

    Also, the Pale really was pretty big. You sure the restriction was all that onerous?

    Replies: @Jack D

    First of all, not all Russians were serfs.

    2nd, as for the Pale being big, consider what it would be like if white people could live anywhere in America except for the coasts. So NY, Washington, LA, SF would be out. Would you say that is not onerous? That still leaves a lot of space from Ohio to Nevada, so it ain’t so bad.

    It’s true that most Jews had no desire to live outside the Pale but people who were upwardly mobile wanted to live in the major cities where the universities were, where the industries were, etc.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '2nd, as for the Pale being big, consider what it would be like if white people could live anywhere in America except for the coasts. So NY, Washington, LA, SF would be out. Would you say that is not onerous? That still leaves a lot of space from Ohio to Nevada, so it ain’t so bad.'

    But you're reasoning as if the Russian Empire was a single legal unit -- which it decidedly was not.

    Certainly it would be an outrage if, as a citizen of the United States, you did not have the right to reside in Montana. But do you feel you are entitled to settle in British Columbia? Are you upset that you don't have the right to buy property in Mexico?

    Obviously, there are differences, but there was nothing inherently outrageous in the Russian Empire barring Jews from the territories it had acquired in the course of the eighteenth century from moving into Russia proper. They anticipated problems if they permitted that, so they attempted to prohibit it.

    Nu?

  147. In considering academic credentials of third worlders, though, does it make a difference that we’re talking about *Nigerian* universities? That is, is it easier to get in and graduate from such places than in the West, or is it still impressive? I know the cream of the crop tend to wind up in the US, of course, but just wondering.

  148. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'ADOS is the usual formulation for identifying Moochelle type blacks. I suppose DOAS is more correct because ADOS would technically include Colin Powell type Caribbean blacks and even Brazilian-American blacks but that’s not how it’s used.'

    It's amusing to contemplate the implicit notion that we're responsible for not only the sin of having enslaved blacks but also for the sins of others who enslaved blacks.

    I wonder if it's that Christian martyrdom thing? 'yes, we did it! Punish us!' After all, a white all of whose ancestors either came here after 1865 or whose only connection with slavery was that he had an ancestor who fought on the Union side will quite willingly (at least in some cases) agree with the notion that he somehow owes blacks reparations. But he'll turn around and be horrified at the notion that the Germans could murder some Jews because they felt other Jews were behind the bombing of their cities.

    The logical inconsistency never seems to strike him. It really is the most appalling nonsense. Would Chinese or dot-Indians buy into something that stupid?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    After all, a white all of whose ancestors either came here after 1865 or whose only connection with slavery was that he had an ancestor who fought on the Union side will quite willingly (at least in some cases) agree with the notion that he somehow owes blacks reparations. But he’ll turn around and be horrified at the notion that the Germans could murder some Jews because they felt other Jews were behind the bombing of their cities.

    Genocide and cash reparations would seem to be quite distinct things.

  149. @Clyde
    Holy cow! My guess would have been 10%.
    We are the 3rd world's doormat. We are their suburb. What idiotic immigration policies we have. Some Africans bring in 5-6 children with them. Somali refugees do. For sure, they start reproducing madly when they get here. Caribbean blacks have been coming here for decades. Most of these immigrant blacks and their offspring are Caribbean. Got loads of Jamaicans and Haitians in my region. I will admit they are not nearly as criminally and anarchistic inclined as entitled American blacks, with their swelled heads, you whiteys owe me reparations one way or another, due to their slave ancestors. At least the man is usually out working with Black immigrants, as the family fiddles and diddles to get on every Gov't welfare program and subsidized housing.

    Africans coming here are more recent, thankfully their objective is usually Europe. And German women, which have that certain reputation. In the last few years I have read about Congolese getting into America by hook or by crook. The freakin' Congo Bongo!

    Replies: @danand

    “Africans coming here are more recent, thankfully their objective is usually Europe. And German women, who have that certain reputation.”

    Germany wants to attract 400,000 skilled workers from abroad each year
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-wants-attract-400000-skilled-workers-abroad-each-year-2022-01-21/

    Germany’s worry is who will provide for the upcoming onslaught of retirees; not so much their countries long term prospects/survival.

  150. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I don't think it's quite the same thing. First of all, I think most Germans born after the war are OK with the notion that Germany still owes reparations to elderly Holocaust survivors.

    2nd, unless they were really nuts, I don't think most white in America are OK with the idea that they should be murdered to avenge for the crimes of their ancestors.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Colin Wright

    First of all, I think most Germans born after the war are OK with the notion that Germany still owes reparations to elderly Holocaust survivors.

    Kraut taxpayers expand the Israeli Navy.

  151. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    I'm not sure what you mean by "I’ll take that bet." You agree with me or not?


    (Well it sort of depends on what is considered to be white. Potter Stewart standard?)"

     

    You mean you'll know it when you see it?

    You did point out a major weakness in my fortune-telling: that we stop immigration, legal and illegal. I actually think there's some good news on the latter. Truly, I think that after a few electoral wallops, even the Deep State will agree that letting the 3rd world flow over the border ain't a good idea.

    Plus guess what - birthrates in Latin America are going down.

    But legal immigration is really the 3rd rail. In my more optimistic moods I think we'll pass new laws. In my pessimistic moods, I think we'll just have another stupid war and go down the drain.

    I agree with you about Asians and Hispanics. It's funny to me that so many pundits thought they were going to be like blacks or Jews (well, a certain, influential type), constantly rehashing their ethnic traumas in public, and they turned out to be normal human beings, like Italians and Polish.

    About the "browning" - you can't always get what you want. Nordics still look down on Italians. There's still tremendous prejudice against them. Back in the day Prots said that Catholics would be the ruination of America. Didn't work out that way, did it?

    PS About Jews - as ethnic Jews assimilate, there will be another group to take their place: Indians. Look at them - they are amazingly similar to Jews. The men are great at business, academic, and the law, and the women are left-maniacs. The similarities are uncanny.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But legal immigration is really the 3rd rail. In my more optimistic moods I think we’ll pass new laws.

    Simple, even local, laws would do the trick– e.g., require the employer to insure the immigrant’s entire family. Higher minimum wage for the not on the voter rolls. What is the opposition going to say to that? Even if these fail, the publicity would resonate. Look at the ERA. Most of it has been enacted by legislation and court decisions.

    BTW, as I was reading one of your comments this morning, my kids were playing music in the other room– “Paperback Writer”.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Reg Cæsar


    Simple, even local, laws would do the trick
     
    U.S. EEOC antidiscrimination laws are very robust against any such local laws and are usually very aggressively applied. The only legally allowed discrimination is in employing for some high security positions needing clearances. An across the board increase in minimum wage will do much good in discouraging low skilled migration, but that is a tough political pill to swallow for the restrictionists.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar


    BTW, as I was reading one of your comments this morning, my kids were playing music in the other room– “Paperback Writer”.

     

    I love the story behind that song. Paul's Aunt Gin asked him why he was always writing silly love songs. So he wrote Paperback Writer.
  152. Rob says:
    @Jack D
    @Rob

    You seem like an intelligent person. Do you really think that's the main difference between China and the US - that we have Jews and they don't and so if you got rid of the Jews then America would be just like China?

    BTW, birthrates in China have collapsed (even after they got rid of the one-child policy) and are now below US rates so their Judenrein affordable family formation is no better than in Jew-infested America.

    Replies: @Rob

    No. I am not dumb enough to think that. I’m smart enough to think that other people think that, You know how they say antisemitism is socialism for morons? If you substitute investor (what capitalists call themselves these days) for Jew, you are pretty close to reality. I think that capital has been favored for too long. I would not have as much of a problem with that if ownership of capital were spread more widely. The country is getting dumber, communicating is easier and somewhat less mediated. I’m more a free market communist. I think (some) capital should either be owned by the government and a citizen’s dividend go to each adult, or capital should be taxed and the money distributed as above. This would not change capitalists’ capital allocation, as all alternative uses of capital would also be subject to the same tax rate.

    I am eternally angry at President Clinton not for not investing social security money in capital. Real capital, the means of production. It would be fantastic if the people owned the means of production. I think government debt needs to be reined in. That too means taxing capital.

    I think the (possibly) coming biotech miracles could make everyone better off, but I fear it will not be available to everyone. Let’s say infusing plasma from young people into old people actually retards aging, even reverses some of it. I don’t think the country will be improved by the wealthy being vampires. Do you?

    [MORE]

    I think the economy no longer works well for everyone. Society has been getting worse for a lot of people who are not smart enough to (real) college graduate-level work. The Democrats’ solution, retraining with no one interested in hiring them has been tried over and over. It fails pretty much every time. The right’s solution, let them eat cake, could turn disastrous. At a minimum, we need to cut off unskilled immigration completely.

    I know it never worked well for everyone, but there were periods when life was improving for people lower on the economic scale. There was a time when the country’s real capital per capita was increasing. I fear we are regressing on that.

    We are getting less good at sorting people into jobs they’d be good at because blacks pool at the bottom. It’s great (i guess) that there are black “AI researchers,” but if investing in AI does not actually produce AI, the investment will stop.

    I am smart enough to think that in China, the communist party concerns itself with ensuring that economic changes strengthen the country and lots of people share in economic growth, but in America, very wealthy people have captured the government. Economic growth benefits an ever-smaller swathe of America.

    As for kids, East Asians may have a lower TFR than whites, but they also have fewer internal enemies/competitors. If Korea’s population declines 50%, they will still be Korea. When the white population declines 50%, the US will be a polyethnic Latin American country. I have read that immigrant fertility drops to the native fertility rate, but I’ve seen it from people with an anti-white agenda. Much like facts about jews from antisemites, they’d say it even if false. If immigrants won’t have kids either, then immigration is pointless. It cannot fix demographic problems but does bring immigrant problems. China has a slightly worse situation than Korea because it has more non-Han ethnicities. But the Chinese government is pro-Han. I’m not a fan of genocide, but culturecide is not automatically terrible. The individual yet to be born grandchildren of camp-programmed Uighurs may be happier integrated into a first (or zeroth) world culture than the horrid medieval mishmash they’d get on their own.

    Not to mention, Orientals are more pragmatic than whites. If having a kid with a 1.33σ IQ takes in vitro, then Oriental women will use in vitro. White women? Who knows. Genetically, American whites are getting genetically higher on religiosity. Whether that’ll express itself in blank slate progressivism, bio-progress, or fundie Christianity is as yet unknown. Someone worked out what traits are under positive selection in various American populations according to the GSS. Whites are getting dumber and more religious, but better on physical and mental health.

    Remember however many years ago when a huge chunk of kids born in the US were minorities? Well. it’s been x years since then. The heavily non-white twenty-somethings are in the workforce, but they are not the design-a-CMOS kind of non-whites. They’re the pick almonds sort of non-whites. The economy will suffer. According to the O-ring theory of economic development (regression) output is optimized by having people of equal skill working together. That is not what the woke want. It might be nearly impossible to design a CPU if half the designers are not smart enough to be doing it. A lot of businesses will fail because they have a 1000-SAT black they hired instead of a 1200-SAT white, for muh diversity. At best, AA hires are deadweight. At worse, they sink enterprises.

    As for the influence of Jews on whites? Thank you for relativity and quantum mechanics. But the culture of critique is pernicious. The damage done to law, where radical Jews legislate from the bench and then conservative gentile judges respect precedent has been pernicious. Acceptance of homosexuality? Largely driven by Jews, but except for all the dead gay men their promiscuity caused, basically neutral. The talented tenth of blacks have lives that are somewhat better and somewhat worse than when they were part of black communities. Instead of being the leading lights of their communities, they are living fetishes to the gods of diversity. The lives of dimmer blacks are much worse, assuming black men prefer not being in prison or wheelchairs.

    The wars for Israel have been disastrous but maybe would have happened without so many Jews pushing them. Southern Christians really like Israel, but never get what they want on anything else, so I’m guessing.

    The fact that China has risen so far and the US has stagnated at best is the product of capital allocation. Ours and theirs. The race so far? There is no reasonable dispute. China’s capital allocators have been fantastic. Ours have been terrible. The policies set by the pawns of capitalists in the US have been mostly terrible. Capitalists and political hack are by no means exclusively Jewish, but Jews have outsized influence, being smarter.

    Look at it this way. Had the influence of whites on African-Americans been largely good or bad? Has the influence of blacks on whites been good or bad, overall? Some people would say bad to the first question (the CRTers). Some people would say good to the second (fools) but answers are possible. The same is possible for the question, “has the influence of Jews been good or bad overall for whites?” Given the preference Jews have for being middlemen in other peoples’ countries and having had bad outcomes in several, Jews should make quite a lot of effort to make people think their effects are positive. They can best do this by being positive influences.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Rob

    But you are dumb enough to think that.


    Anglin’s answer is simplicity itself.

    China rises and the West is being strangled by the financier class because China does not have Jews.
     
    You ramble on quite a bit - get yourself your own blog. Here, try to be a bit more concise. Were you quoting Anglin to disagree, or did you quote him to underscore your point? The latter, it seems to me.

    Replies: @Rob, @36 ulster

  153. How many ‘African-Americans’ are fully African anyway?

    Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be mudsharks:

    https://nypost.com/2022/01/22/baby-left-with-mothers-dead-body-for-nearly-a-week-court-papers/

  154. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I don't think it's quite the same thing. First of all, I think most Germans born after the war are OK with the notion that Germany still owes reparations to elderly Holocaust survivors.

    2nd, unless they were really nuts, I don't think most white in America are OK with the idea that they should be murdered to avenge for the crimes of their ancestors.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Colin Wright

    ‘I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. First of all, I think most Germans born after the war are OK with the notion that Germany still owes reparations to elderly Holocaust survivors.’

    That may sound relevant to my point, but it’s not.

    ‘2nd, unless they were really nuts, I don’t think most white in America are OK with the idea that they should be murdered to avenge for the crimes of their ancestors.’

    But they feel they should be punished to some extent. Okay: to what extent should the Jews of Eastern Europe have been punished?

  155. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    But legal immigration is really the 3rd rail. In my more optimistic moods I think we’ll pass new laws.
     
    Simple, even local, laws would do the trick-- e.g., require the employer to insure the immigrant's entire family. Higher minimum wage for the not on the voter rolls. What is the opposition going to say to that? Even if these fail, the publicity would resonate. Look at the ERA. Most of it has been enacted by legislation and court decisions.

    BTW, as I was reading one of your comments this morning, my kids were playing music in the other room-- "Paperback Writer".

    Replies: @epebble, @Paperback Writer

    Simple, even local, laws would do the trick

    U.S. EEOC antidiscrimination laws are very robust against any such local laws and are usually very aggressively applied. The only legally allowed discrimination is in employing for some high security positions needing clearances. An across the board increase in minimum wage will do much good in discouraging low skilled migration, but that is a tough political pill to swallow for the restrictionists.

  156. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    First of all, not all Russians were serfs.

    2nd, as for the Pale being big, consider what it would be like if white people could live anywhere in America except for the coasts. So NY, Washington, LA, SF would be out. Would you say that is not onerous? That still leaves a lot of space from Ohio to Nevada, so it ain't so bad.

    It's true that most Jews had no desire to live outside the Pale but people who were upwardly mobile wanted to live in the major cities where the universities were, where the industries were, etc.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘2nd, as for the Pale being big, consider what it would be like if white people could live anywhere in America except for the coasts. So NY, Washington, LA, SF would be out. Would you say that is not onerous? That still leaves a lot of space from Ohio to Nevada, so it ain’t so bad.’

    But you’re reasoning as if the Russian Empire was a single legal unit — which it decidedly was not.

    Certainly it would be an outrage if, as a citizen of the United States, you did not have the right to reside in Montana. But do you feel you are entitled to settle in British Columbia? Are you upset that you don’t have the right to buy property in Mexico?

    Obviously, there are differences, but there was nothing inherently outrageous in the Russian Empire barring Jews from the territories it had acquired in the course of the eighteenth century from moving into Russia proper. They anticipated problems if they permitted that, so they attempted to prohibit it.

    Nu?

  157. It seems to me that America could have reduced its black racial problem by one fifth simply by not having immigration or properly controlling it.

  158. @Elmer T. Jones
    The Chinese are behind this. Time to beach a few cargo boats full of African migrants on their shores.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson

    Not the Chinese. Another people. Hint. Rhymes with few.

  159. @Some Guy
    @Alrenous

    Somalis are if anything worse than Bantus, they're literally the poorest group in the US.

    Replies: @Alrenous

    Most likely they’re importing the Bantu underclass. Bantu in Africa have like 75 IQ since there’s no European admixture. Bantu-Americans are mulattoes at around 15%.

    When Somalia lost its government it went on track to becoming the richest African country. E.g. child mortality dropped like a stone, suddenly everyone could afford a cellphone, and they swapped from importing Ethiopian cattle to exporting to Ethiopia. Somalia has a distinctly English law system called Xeer. It’s basically just common law. Give it a couple centuries and it will converge on something practically indistinguishable.

    Turns out having the UN around is really, really, really bad for African countries.

    Alternatively it turns out Xeer relies heavily on being part of a clan. If you take the Somalian out of the clan, perhaps they don’t respect the law any more. Their local patriarch is a load-bearing element, and naturally Americans import individual Somalis. The patriarchs, wisely, stay in Somalia. They’re already winning. What do they need to change?

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    @Alrenous


    Bantu in Africa have like 75 IQ since there’s no European admixture.
     
    As opposed to Somalis?

    https://preview.redd.it/uqkx37h3dq831.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b5611f621117fd4e42900828e2a42b62a02f013b

    Replies: @Alrenous

  160. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:

    Look.

    A very good way to gauge the character of man is to gauge the manners and gentility of his children. Ill mannered ill bred children are invariable the end product of parental character. No ifs or buts.

    Likewise, a very good way to gauge the character of an ethnicity is to gauge the general character of the nation they run with a ‘free and fair field’ all of their own.

    India is certainly the most vicious, nasty, heartless and corrupt spot on earth.

    Mexico and central America – and as good deal of of the rest of the south of the Rio Grande are murderous hell holes where human life is valued no more than that of a chicken’s.

    It is/was the basic character of the people living there which moulded those places, not vice versa.

    • Agree: mc23
  161. anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @anonymous

    Once Lithuania goes black - which it will - then you know for certain that the white race is finished.

    Replies: @anonymous

    What pisses me off about this is the Lithuanians are oblivious. Do they not understand the trade offs of getting closer to Washington to get troops? They can’t understand NATO membership is enough. They don’t need to station 1,000 NATO troops. They also don’t respect the point of view of the Belarus government and instead just tune out Belarusian concerns by calling the leader a dictator. They poke China in the eye but why do they care about the Taiwan issue? The cost will of course be immense. The country will become multi-racial. Lithuanians have no idea of the cost yet so many have lived in the UK and Germany. Honestly, what a dumb people.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anonymous

    However 'poor' Lithuania is supposed to be, it is an infinitely more congenial country to live in than Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, India, Bangladesh etc etc.

    Lithuanians must grow up and realise this.

    The biggest mistake they can make is to think "Oh no, it won't happen to *us*!".

    But it will. By Golly, it will.

  162. @Rob
    @Jack D

    No. I am not dumb enough to think that. I’m smart enough to think that other people think that, You know how they say antisemitism is socialism for morons? If you substitute investor (what capitalists call themselves these days) for Jew, you are pretty close to reality. I think that capital has been favored for too long. I would not have as much of a problem with that if ownership of capital were spread more widely. The country is getting dumber, communicating is easier and somewhat less mediated. I’m more a free market communist. I think (some) capital should either be owned by the government and a citizen’s dividend go to each adult, or capital should be taxed and the money distributed as above. This would not change capitalists' capital allocation, as all alternative uses of capital would also be subject to the same tax rate.

    I am eternally angry at President Clinton not for not investing social security money in capital. Real capital, the means of production. It would be fantastic if the people owned the means of production. I think government debt needs to be reined in. That too means taxing capital.

    I think the (possibly) coming biotech miracles could make everyone better off, but I fear it will not be available to everyone. Let’s say infusing plasma from young people into old people actually retards aging, even reverses some of it. I don’t think the country will be improved by the wealthy being vampires. Do you?

    I think the economy no longer works well for everyone. Society has been getting worse for a lot of people who are not smart enough to (real) college graduate-level work. The Democrats’ solution, retraining with no one interested in hiring them has been tried over and over. It fails pretty much every time. The right’s solution, let them eat cake, could turn disastrous. At a minimum, we need to cut off unskilled immigration completely.

    I know it never worked well for everyone, but there were periods when life was improving for people lower on the economic scale. There was a time when the country’s real capital per capita was increasing. I fear we are regressing on that.

    We are getting less good at sorting people into jobs they’d be good at because blacks pool at the bottom. It’s great (i guess) that there are black “AI researchers,” but if investing in AI does not actually produce AI, the investment will stop.

    I am smart enough to think that in China, the communist party concerns itself with ensuring that economic changes strengthen the country and lots of people share in economic growth, but in America, very wealthy people have captured the government. Economic growth benefits an ever-smaller swathe of America.

    As for kids, East Asians may have a lower TFR than whites, but they also have fewer internal enemies/competitors. If Korea’s population declines 50%, they will still be Korea. When the white population declines 50%, the US will be a polyethnic Latin American country. I have read that immigrant fertility drops to the native fertility rate, but I've seen it from people with an anti-white agenda. Much like facts about jews from antisemites, they’d say it even if false. If immigrants won’t have kids either, then immigration is pointless. It cannot fix demographic problems but does bring immigrant problems. China has a slightly worse situation than Korea because it has more non-Han ethnicities. But the Chinese government is pro-Han. I’m not a fan of genocide, but culturecide is not automatically terrible. The individual yet to be born grandchildren of camp-programmed Uighurs may be happier integrated into a first (or zeroth) world culture than the horrid medieval mishmash they’d get on their own.

    Not to mention, Orientals are more pragmatic than whites. If having a kid with a 1.33σ IQ takes in vitro, then Oriental women will use in vitro. White women? Who knows. Genetically, American whites are getting genetically higher on religiosity. Whether that’ll express itself in blank slate progressivism, bio-progress, or fundie Christianity is as yet unknown. Someone worked out what traits are under positive selection in various American populations according to the GSS. Whites are getting dumber and more religious, but better on physical and mental health.

    Remember however many years ago when a huge chunk of kids born in the US were minorities? Well. it’s been x years since then. The heavily non-white twenty-somethings are in the workforce, but they are not the design-a-CMOS kind of non-whites. They’re the pick almonds sort of non-whites. The economy will suffer. According to the O-ring theory of economic development (regression) output is optimized by having people of equal skill working together. That is not what the woke want. It might be nearly impossible to design a CPU if half the designers are not smart enough to be doing it. A lot of businesses will fail because they have a 1000-SAT black they hired instead of a 1200-SAT white, for muh diversity. At best, AA hires are deadweight. At worse, they sink enterprises.

    As for the influence of Jews on whites? Thank you for relativity and quantum mechanics. But the culture of critique is pernicious. The damage done to law, where radical Jews legislate from the bench and then conservative gentile judges respect precedent has been pernicious. Acceptance of homosexuality? Largely driven by Jews, but except for all the dead gay men their promiscuity caused, basically neutral. The talented tenth of blacks have lives that are somewhat better and somewhat worse than when they were part of black communities. Instead of being the leading lights of their communities, they are living fetishes to the gods of diversity. The lives of dimmer blacks are much worse, assuming black men prefer not being in prison or wheelchairs.

    The wars for Israel have been disastrous but maybe would have happened without so many Jews pushing them. Southern Christians really like Israel, but never get what they want on anything else, so I’m guessing.

    The fact that China has risen so far and the US has stagnated at best is the product of capital allocation. Ours and theirs. The race so far? There is no reasonable dispute. China’s capital allocators have been fantastic. Ours have been terrible. The policies set by the pawns of capitalists in the US have been mostly terrible. Capitalists and political hack are by no means exclusively Jewish, but Jews have outsized influence, being smarter.

    Look at it this way. Had the influence of whites on African-Americans been largely good or bad? Has the influence of blacks on whites been good or bad, overall? Some people would say bad to the first question (the CRTers). Some people would say good to the second (fools) but answers are possible. The same is possible for the question, “has the influence of Jews been good or bad overall for whites?” Given the preference Jews have for being middlemen in other peoples’ countries and having had bad outcomes in several, Jews should make quite a lot of effort to make people think their effects are positive. They can best do this by being positive influences.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    But you are dumb enough to think that.

    Anglin’s answer is simplicity itself.

    China rises and the West is being strangled by the financier class because China does not have Jews.

    You ramble on quite a bit – get yourself your own blog. Here, try to be a bit more concise. Were you quoting Anglin to disagree, or did you quote him to underscore your point? The latter, it seems to me.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Paperback Writer

    I was quoting Anglin to show that loons develop theories when official site explanations fail.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @36 ulster
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah, it is that. VERY simple.

  163. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    But legal immigration is really the 3rd rail. In my more optimistic moods I think we’ll pass new laws.
     
    Simple, even local, laws would do the trick-- e.g., require the employer to insure the immigrant's entire family. Higher minimum wage for the not on the voter rolls. What is the opposition going to say to that? Even if these fail, the publicity would resonate. Look at the ERA. Most of it has been enacted by legislation and court decisions.

    BTW, as I was reading one of your comments this morning, my kids were playing music in the other room-- "Paperback Writer".

    Replies: @epebble, @Paperback Writer

    BTW, as I was reading one of your comments this morning, my kids were playing music in the other room– “Paperback Writer”.

    I love the story behind that song. Paul’s Aunt Gin asked him why he was always writing silly love songs. So he wrote Paperback Writer.

  164. @Paperback Writer
    @Rob

    But you are dumb enough to think that.


    Anglin’s answer is simplicity itself.

    China rises and the West is being strangled by the financier class because China does not have Jews.
     
    You ramble on quite a bit - get yourself your own blog. Here, try to be a bit more concise. Were you quoting Anglin to disagree, or did you quote him to underscore your point? The latter, it seems to me.

    Replies: @Rob, @36 ulster

    I was quoting Anglin to show that loons develop theories when official site explanations fail.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Rob

    It really didn't look that way, but OK.

  165. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '“Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country. But when it comes to burdens such as the payment of taxes and the draft, minorities get no special break on account of their “guest” status...'

    With reference to Imperial Russia, the Jews weren't treated as you imply. They were regarded as entirely entitled to reside within the areas they had long resided in; that's what the Pale was.

    The Imperial Russian government was merely leery of them moving into Russia proper -- and bringing with them all the ills that were so manifest in the Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, and rest of the territories lying within the Pale.

    If one thinks of the Tsarist state as an empire rather than a country, then the Russian position becomes no more unreasonable than Britain declining to allow Nigerians to move from Nigeria to Britain. There was no natural law that said that merely because the Tsars had acquired a region, they were obliged to allow the inhabitants of that region to move to Russia proper.

    You're perceiving some massive injustice where there wasn't one. So the Jews were confined to the Pale. Hey: on the bright side, they weren't serfs. They weren't confined to the estate of their master.

    Replies: @Jack D

    But it wasn’t like Nigeria , a distance colony where no one has the right of residence in Britain. It would be more like if people in Scotland didn’t have the right of residence in England. And it would be like if this applied only to Scottish Presbyterians and not to the rest of the Scottish population.

    The May Laws applied expressly to Jews and not to the Christian citizens of the Russian Empire.

  166. @Rob
    @Paperback Writer

    I was quoting Anglin to show that loons develop theories when official site explanations fail.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    It really didn’t look that way, but OK.

  167. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    “Minoritarian whining” takes as its starting point the assumption that the country “belongs” exclusively to the majority and that minorities are “guests” who can stay only according to the whims of the “real” owners of the country.
     
    Who a nation "belongs" to is an interesting and important question. But i think the reasonable answer is that it belongs to the people who sustain and maintain it as a nation. I.e. if some group leaves and the nation struggles or is no longer essentially the same nation--then it is their nation. If another group leaves and the nation is still there, still functioning, still essentially the same nation, then it is not their nation.

    But we don't even have to have resolution on that question to deal with Jewish minoritarian whining.

    I'm--obviously--no expert on the Pale, but my understanding is if a Jew in the Pale wanted to move to Russia, they were supposed to Russify--speak Russian and adopt Orthodoxy. In other words, if they wanted to live in Russia, they should be a Russian. The horror! (My understanding is also that of course there were all sorts of loopholes so in practice there were in fact Jews all over Russia.) (If your point is that the Pale should not have been under the control of Russia, but rather a bunch of independent nations of the people there, i agree. I'm against empire. I'm for republican self-government. Suffice it to say that is not that actual Jewish complaint.)

    On America though my understanding is clear: Unlike blacks, Jews always had all the same civil rights as any other American. Nonetheless, you've managed to whine about some Lutheran or Catholic neighborhoods in Minneapolis in 1940 that kept out Jews to keep themselves ... Lutheran or Catholic! Private choices about whom to associate with. God forbid that Lutherans or Catholics would find it amenable to live around other Lutherans or other Catholics. I can't think of any other group which shows such repugnant tribalism.

    This Golfocaust style Jewish whining is the core of minoritarianism: the demand that the majority must not be allowed to look after their ethnic interests, while minorities (i.e. Jews) are free to look after their ethnic interests. No such moral or ethical principle exists. (BTW: as Steve's pointed out the Jews country clubs still exist, still discriminate.)

    As long as Jewish minoritarianism keeps being spouted--rubbed in our faces--i'll keep pointing out the truth. Jews chose tribalism/separatism. Every other tribe in Europe Christianized and melted in with neighbors eventually allowing the formation of these cohesive trust-at-scale nation states that brought on modernity. Basically only the Jews and the Gypsies rejected that and insisted to live among other people but refuse to integrate with them. But if you behave as a separate tribe ... then you'll be treated as ... a separate tribe. How the gentiles react to your tribalism is entirely up to them. (Refusing to associate at all would be perfectly legitimate and reasonable.) What Jews label as "anti-Semitism" is mostly just gentiles treating Jews as a separate tribe, which Jews have chosen--insisted--on being.

    I know this is a deep affront to the Jewish psyche. Jews feel entitled to middle man gentiles. But there is no Jewish--or minority--"right of access" to white gentiles. No such right exists. No matter how much it annoys you, we are not your serfs.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon, @Paperback Writer

    There’s a lot of sentimental bullshit about the Pale. First of all, it was pretty damned large. Not exactly Gaza. Then, it wasn’t impossible to get out.

    Jewish merchants of the First Guild (купцы первой гильдии, the wealthiest sosloviye of merchants in the Russian Empire), people with higher or special education, university students, artisans, army tailors, ennobled Jews, soldiers (drafted in accordance with the Recruit Charter of 1810), and their families had the right to live outside the Pale of Settlement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

    Makes you wonder who was left behind.

    Then there were towns such as Odessa that were in the Pale. Odessa was and is a great town. Before WW2, about 1/3 Jewish.

    All of my grandparents had occupations that enabled them to leave the Pale.

    It was far more restrictive to be black in the US during Jim Crow. Then, anyone even suspected of “one drop” was out of luck.

  168. Anonymous[948] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    What pisses me off about this is the Lithuanians are oblivious. Do they not understand the trade offs of getting closer to Washington to get troops? They can't understand NATO membership is enough. They don't need to station 1,000 NATO troops. They also don't respect the point of view of the Belarus government and instead just tune out Belarusian concerns by calling the leader a dictator. They poke China in the eye but why do they care about the Taiwan issue? The cost will of course be immense. The country will become multi-racial. Lithuanians have no idea of the cost yet so many have lived in the UK and Germany. Honestly, what a dumb people.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    However ‘poor’ Lithuania is supposed to be, it is an infinitely more congenial country to live in than Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, India, Bangladesh etc etc.

    Lithuanians must grow up and realise this.

    The biggest mistake they can make is to think “Oh no, it won’t happen to *us*!”.

    But it will. By Golly, it will.

  169. @Altai

    An important question is how the second and third generations are doing. Unfortunately, Pew doesn’t report on that.
     
    An important implication is that IQ has certain thresholds for a lot of work and that when freed from competition from others, a black middle and upper class can form and can foster something of middle class values and with their credentials obtained free of competition, come to the US and get nice jobs. And if a certain social foothold is established, can they continue on without falling into the inter-generational malaise of African-Americans? (I do tend to subscribe to both nature and nurture here, nature makes it harder to compete but being at the bottom of a hierarchy tends to not be good for people either)

    It's also hard to say what the class breakdown is. I've known a few Nigerians in the West and often they are very enthusiastic and motivated by the potential from what would be seen as fairly standard jobs. (Not realising what the social perspective of their Western-born children would be) But they often didn't strike me as innately very conscientious or intrinsically motivated and their religiosity seemed very much based around pragmatic concerns of making people behave to standards that harsh religion doesn't seem necessary for in North-West Europeans or North East Asians, particularly their children. The combination of what they felt was a very good reward and their deep religiosity seemed to keep them going along but they tended to be very happy and personable making them seem a bit more dynamic than a white person with the same non-social qualities.

    Though tellingly in Nigeria a culture of 'hustle', ie the acquisition of money no matter the means has degraded the country a lot in a way that will no doubt lead to a lot of both push and pull factors for emigration. It's basically a culture of total corruption.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/africa/elnathan-becoming-nigerian/index.html

    In the new dramatic Fresh Prince remake (That nobody will ever see because it's on Peacock) Carlton is played by a Nigerian, Olly Sholotan. New Carlton epitomizes this mentality to a T.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-SnRNJ-aKE

    I honestly don't understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society or rather at scale, make it an alien society for the natives too. God knows Gen Y/Z in the West seems to continue to live even if family formation and leaving their family homes is made more and more prohibitively expensive. As I always retort to those extolling immigrants as 'just trying to get a better life', so are the people who want immigration restriction.

    Possibly the most successful West African immigrant to the US is the late Virgil Abloh. His story is the epitome of 'Hustle' nothing productive done, all achieved through networking and done with little work. His 'Off-White' brand required absolutely no effort or imagination but rich Gen Z kids bought it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Abloh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bQsPj_gUk

    These guys aren't even running to buy it for it's own sake, they're running to buy it at retail and resell at a higher price.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @Almost Missouri, @OilcanFloyd, @AnotherDad, @fish, @J1234, @PaceLaw, @Bill

    I honestly don’t understand people who move into totally alien countries on a permanent basis for the sake of just having more money despite being perfectly able to live in their homelands just with fewer resources despite the price of having their children and grandchildren be lost to an alien society

    Right, the US was populated by Europe’s sociopaths whose descendants aren’t that keen on having it re-populated by the sociopaths of Africa, Asia, and Latin America.

  170. @Alrenous
    @Some Guy

    Most likely they're importing the Bantu underclass. Bantu in Africa have like 75 IQ since there's no European admixture. Bantu-Americans are mulattoes at around 15%.

    When Somalia lost its government it went on track to becoming the richest African country. E.g. child mortality dropped like a stone, suddenly everyone could afford a cellphone, and they swapped from importing Ethiopian cattle to exporting to Ethiopia. Somalia has a distinctly English law system called Xeer. It's basically just common law. Give it a couple centuries and it will converge on something practically indistinguishable.

    Turns out having the UN around is really, really, really bad for African countries.

    --

    Alternatively it turns out Xeer relies heavily on being part of a clan. If you take the Somalian out of the clan, perhaps they don't respect the law any more. Their local patriarch is a load-bearing element, and naturally Americans import individual Somalis. The patriarchs, wisely, stay in Somalia. They're already winning. What do they need to change?

    Replies: @Some Guy

    Bantu in Africa have like 75 IQ since there’s no European admixture.

    As opposed to Somalis?

    • Replies: @Alrenous
    @Some Guy

    They keep talking about how Europeans are uniquely evil because Bantu are uniquely dysfunctional, even given their IQ.

    Also was that during a UN-induced famine? When is this data from?

    Replies: @Some Guy

  171. @Paperback Writer
    @Rob

    But you are dumb enough to think that.


    Anglin’s answer is simplicity itself.

    China rises and the West is being strangled by the financier class because China does not have Jews.
     
    You ramble on quite a bit - get yourself your own blog. Here, try to be a bit more concise. Were you quoting Anglin to disagree, or did you quote him to underscore your point? The latter, it seems to me.

    Replies: @Rob, @36 ulster

    Yeah, it is that. VERY simple.

  172. @Some Guy
    @Alrenous


    Bantu in Africa have like 75 IQ since there’s no European admixture.
     
    As opposed to Somalis?

    https://preview.redd.it/uqkx37h3dq831.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b5611f621117fd4e42900828e2a42b62a02f013b

    Replies: @Alrenous

    They keep talking about how Europeans are uniquely evil because Bantu are uniquely dysfunctional, even given their IQ.

    Also was that during a UN-induced famine? When is this data from?

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    @Alrenous

    David Becker: "The only suitable source for intelligence for Somalia is a paper
    from Bakhiet et al. (2017a, Table 1). They used a sample of
    Somalian refugees in refugee camps in Kenya, on which the SPM+
    was administered. The sample had a mean age of 13.00y and
    obtained a raw score of 20.36, which is at the 1.61st GBR-P and
    equivalent to an uncor. IQ of 67.88. "

  173. @Alrenous
    @Some Guy

    They keep talking about how Europeans are uniquely evil because Bantu are uniquely dysfunctional, even given their IQ.

    Also was that during a UN-induced famine? When is this data from?

    Replies: @Some Guy

    David Becker: “The only suitable source for intelligence for Somalia is a paper
    from Bakhiet et al. (2017a, Table 1). They used a sample of
    Somalian refugees in refugee camps in Kenya, on which the SPM+
    was administered. The sample had a mean age of 13.00y and
    obtained a raw score of 20.36, which is at the 1.61st GBR-P and
    equivalent to an uncor. IQ of 67.88. ”

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