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  1. Hopefully the spices are conveniently located near the entrance, without video surveillance and or security guards. We must have 100% appeasement.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @George Taylor


    “It’s not going to heal the African-American community by having buildings,” said Majors, who is Black. “It’s a different kind of healing that you have to do for systemic racism.”
     
    That 100% appeasement has something to do with cash on demand and without limit.
    , @Richard B
    @George Taylor


    We must have 100% appeasement.
     
    Enough to make one long for the likes of Hugh Addonizio and Anthony Imperiale. Remember those guys? Didn't one of them drive a tank down the streets of Newark during the 1967 riots?

    Bet you'll never guess how that riot got started. Even Wiki referred to the "Inciting Indicdent" as a "rumor." Guess that's all you need.

  2. Most extensive Kamala/Willie article I have seen:

    https://www.sfweekly.com/news/kamalas-karma/

    In a series of lengthy interviews with SF Weekly, Harris acknowledges that she benefited from her relationship with Brown, but insists there was nothing improper about it. (Through a spokesman, Brown declined to be interviewed for this story.)

    Harris met Brown in 1994 when he was speaker of the state Assembly. She was 29, he was 60. Their May/December affair was the talk of the town during the year before Brown’s successful 1995 bid to become mayor.

    Kamala’s a Brahman!

    Shyamala immigrated to America from her native India in the early 1960s. “I came to study at UC Berkeley,” she remembers. “I never came to stay. It’s the old story: I fell in love with a guy, we got married, pretty soon kids came.” The guy she married was Donald Harris, who later became a Stanford economics professor.

    Kamala was born in 1964; her sister Maya arrived two years later. The maternal side of the family has a tradition of public service. Shyamala’s father was a high-ranking Indian civil servant; her mother was an upper-class feminist concerned that the women who did her laundry were the victims of domestic violence.

    “In Indian society we go by birth,” Shyamala explains. “We are Brahmins, that is the top caste. Please do not confuse this with class, which is only about money. For Brahmins, the bloodline is the most important. My family, named Gopalan, goes back more than 1,000 years.”

    Willie purchased his lady a BMW:

    On the night of the Central Committee vote, a reporter for the Bay Guardian, which has vociferously criticized Harris for her association with Brown, stands staring outside the State Building as Harris drives off in a stylish black car. “Willie Brown gave her that BMW!” the scribe remarks with unconcealed disgust.

    The reporter is about half right. In fact, as Harris later tells SF Weekly, the mayor gave her a 1994 BMW, which she traded in for the 1997 model she now drives. The car remains a tangible link to a man whom many San Franciscans associate with political chicanery and self-dealing — a connection that doesn’t bode well for Kamala Harris.

    It appears he got her a NEW one, since they dated in 94-95. And she KEPT IT after they broke up. A basic BMW sedan now costs, to start, $41,000.

    That’s not all the “married but separated” 60 year old did for his 29-year-old mistress:

    Aside from handing her an expensive BMW, Brown appointed her to two patronage positions in state government that paid handsomely — more than $400,000 over five years. In 1994, she took a six-month leave of absence from her Alameda County job to join the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. Brown then appointed her to the California Medical Assistance Commission, where she served until 1998, attending two meetings a month for a $99,000 annual salary.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    I've seen references to the Willie's BMW gift to Kamala being the top of the line giant 7 Series. But I haven't seen enough detail to feel that that is confirmed.

    Replies: @Bubba, @Buzz Mohawk, @Neoconned, @Bill Jones

    , @Lurker
    @Lot

    Were the Hindu Dindu's parents actually US citizens or merely resident when she was born?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Alden

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot

    Hey Lot, that may be more comprehensive an article, but a lady going by the pen name of "Angie Saxon" published 2 pretty good articles on Mrs. Harris' background on VDare:

    Kamala Harris: Racism Begins At Home

    and

    Kamala Harris: Working Girl Makes Good

    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

  3. Paragraph after paragraph of black community relations Ba and then they sneak this in there:
    “ It also added shutters to the store that can come down in case of future emergencies.”
    Almost certainly better cameras, as well

    • Replies: @Rob
    @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    I could see the shutters causing the company some trouble in future peaceful protest extracurriculars. Let’s say a protest starts, and gets the local ne’er do wells out in force.

    Does the store close and lock down immediately? That sounds like they think any congregation of blacks protesting injustice will turn into looting. So, the only reason to lockdown is racism. So they stay open.

    Then a few ne’er do wells begin peacefully looting. Then they can lock down, right? Well, there are legitimate customers in the store, and they get locked in with rioters? For how long? Until the police arrive? Police don’t try to control looters in blue cities. They are going to be locked up, innocents and looters both, for a very long time, and eventually, the police come in force? Sounds dangerous for those black bodies. Locking down with only a few looters in the store is racist.

    So locking down when the store is full of looters is ok, right? Well, no. First, who locks down the store? Is it done remotely? Then people not in any way part of the community are judging blacks? I’m actually not so sure what about specifically remote lockdown is racist, but I’m sure it is particularly racist in its own way. But employees in the store can lock it down, right? Whoa Nelly! You expect (black or brown) employees to stay during looting, and then lock themselves in with a bunch of soon to be very angry looters? Sounds pretty racist.

    The typical police response to large-scale civil unrest in blue cities is staying out of the way. They wait for the rioters to get tired, go home, and pretend to be only moderately vile people so whites don’t lock them in cages. The police do not want to deal with a hundred(? More?) looters all locked up together. That is hazardous clump of near-humans. The police will only deal with that with overwhelming force. Very dangerous for black bodies, and the racist Target corporation racistly imprisoned them for the cops to racially brutalize. Sounds even more racist than preemptive lockdown and lockdown with a few looters in the store.

    Maybe the store manager doesn’t see things that way, but the media will paint the store’s employees and managers in the worst light.

    Let’s say the store manager panics at the first signs of FloydFest, and locks down. That’s sadist for reasons stated above. Furthermore, let’s say this protest had no associated looting or rioting. Back to the racistly assuming blacks will misbehave, this time with actual evidence that blacks did not misbehave. What is that? You know it’s racism.

    Some of the stuff in the article, like asking residents what they wanted from a store, and plans to stock inventory of things the customers want to buy seems like standard marketing research, and I’m surprised they didn’t do that sort of thing before moving into a new market. They should have someone at corporate who has a database of stores, surrounding ethnic groups etc. and automatically stock Somali-style spices and food when their store is surrounded by Somalis. Obviously I think we there should only be Somalis living around Targets when the Target is located in Somalia, but that ship seems to have sailed (to America with an endless horde of aliens), and smart companies know something about their customers.

    I’d say that what this article says about Target’s corporate style means this might be a good uptime to short Target stock.

    Replies: @Neuday

    , @Stan Adams
    @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang


    Almost certainly better cameras, as well
     
    What good are cameras if the authorities won't prosecute?

    We already have clear footage of the looting that took place in May:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K88kOU9k7OA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljS_W-pRxeA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TRgucHzU0o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_fMzmPcy3A
    , @Anon
    @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang


    The city of Minneapolis has barred security shutters on building exteriors since 2004.
     
    Maybe there is a type of shutter that doesn't violate the law?

    Minneapolis limits security shutters to the inside of a property, leaving windows vulnerable to attack.
     
    O.K. But Targets generally have no windows, just glass doors. Will they put shutters inside the doors?

    In a report justifying the rule change, Minneapolis officials argued that external shutters "cause visual blight" and create the [accurate] impression that an area is "unsafe" and "troublesome."
     
    Also, the impression is create that black people live in the community. White people, keep driving, there is another Target over the way.

    https://www.startribune.com/mpls-business-owners-wanting-to-protect-their-windows-after-riots-face-obstacle/572206032/

  4. Ha-ha-ha. Commenting here from “The Nutmeg State,” I don’t see a reason why this matters. The Target store we occasionally go to, in a nearby town, does indeed give us that “Black ghetto” feeling.

    That is if we ignore all the Indians and Latin Americans there.

    Really, I think these special cases just happen in some inner places that provide Sailer bait and occasional fodder for our national powers that be to pump whatever bullshit they want to shovel onto the rest of us.

    It just doesn’t matter.

  5. I read the linked article. I’ll bet this store will get the same treatment should another riot errupt.

    That Target management is so stupid as to cater to these cretins shows that there’s little sanity left in the country. They should have closed up and closed many of their other stores in black neighborhoods. Rewarding bad behavior is the exact wrong thing to do.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @RoatanBill

    The can't, or won't close. Out of economic self interest. Part of the great reset shall be a guaranteed minimum income for all Americans. Blacks will have significant money to spend. Retailers have done the cost benefit calculations and have collectively agreed that some shoplifting will be tolerated. Everything points to this. The attitude of the credit issuers at the Fed is that money is a fiction, its value, an agreement. Therefore money can be created for any or no reason at all. All that matters is that blacks be formidable spenders. The era of scarcity is over. All we have to do is give blacks unlimited money and we will have built the perfect society.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

    , @Bill Jones
    @RoatanBill

    It's quite remarkable that they should try to entice that particular group to frequent their stores.

    In a sane society that action would lead to shareholder lawsuits.

  6. They just normalized shoplifting.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Department of Pandemania

    I think San Francisco beat them to it. CVS actually closed 2 stores on Market St. and Sutter St. in 2019 due to shoplifting. Walgreens finally gave in this year.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/Rampant-shoplifting-leads-to-another-Walgreens-15654730.php

  7. Will the community make any kind of commitment to Target? Maybe something along the lines of “We won’t loot and burn down this store like we did the last one”… or is that too much to ask?

  8. Among the changes Target is making to it’s Minneapolis store to better serve the local Black community: a different assortment of spices.

    Couldn’t read the whole article. Did they say anything about Lexan windows, reinforced cash registers, and sally-ports?

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Mr. Anon

    “ Did they say anything about Lexan windows, reinforced cash registers, and sally-ports?”

    No, but it does have special “shutters” that can be used in a “future emergency.”

    It looks very airy for an urban Target, short and widely spaced shelves with good security sight lines.

  9. Article says it has added shutters to come down in case of an emergency. Wonder what kind of emergency they are worried about happening at this store.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    Article says it has added shutters to come down in case of an emergency. Wonder what kind of emergency they are worried about happening at this store.

    A hurricane of course. Why, what were you thinking racist?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    Article says it has added shutters to come down in case of an emergency. Wonder what kind of emergency they are worried about happening at this store.
     
    Those are to shut out systemic racism.
  10. Spices? Why don’t they just sell weed using EBT cards to “better serve the Black (sp) community.”

    Regardless, everything in Target will still be looted after the pharmacy & all the liquor is cleaned out in a riot.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bubba

    Good point, Bubba. I don't think "nutmeg" and "black people" go together, at least not in my mind. Incense is for white New Age chicks like Mary Moon. Black people only burn it to mask the smell of their dope.. an idea that they appropriated from White people anyway.

    Replies: @Alden

  11. They’re making a rod for their own backs.

    Meantime, the racial shakedown business is certainly flourishing, isn’t it?

  12. @Anon
    Article says it has added shutters to come down in case of an emergency. Wonder what kind of emergency they are worried about happening at this store.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Mr. Anon

    Article says it has added shutters to come down in case of an emergency. Wonder what kind of emergency they are worried about happening at this store.

    A hurricane of course. Why, what were you thinking racist?

  13. @Lot
    Most extensive Kamala/Willie article I have seen:

    https://www.sfweekly.com/news/kamalas-karma/

    In a series of lengthy interviews with SF Weekly, Harris acknowledges that she benefited from her relationship with Brown, but insists there was nothing improper about it. (Through a spokesman, Brown declined to be interviewed for this story.)

    Harris met Brown in 1994 when he was speaker of the state Assembly. She was 29, he was 60. Their May/December affair was the talk of the town during the year before Brown's successful 1995 bid to become mayor.
     
    Kamala's a Brahman!

    Shyamala immigrated to America from her native India in the early 1960s. “I came to study at UC Berkeley,” she remembers. “I never came to stay. It's the old story: I fell in love with a guy, we got married, pretty soon kids came.” The guy she married was Donald Harris, who later became a Stanford economics professor.

    Kamala was born in 1964; her sister Maya arrived two years later. The maternal side of the family has a tradition of public service. Shyamala's father was a high-ranking Indian civil servant; her mother was an upper-class feminist concerned that the women who did her laundry were the victims of domestic violence.

    “In Indian society we go by birth,” Shyamala explains. “We are Brahmins, that is the top caste. Please do not confuse this with class, which is only about money. For Brahmins, the bloodline is the most important. My family, named Gopalan, goes back more than 1,000 years.”
     
    Willie purchased his lady a BMW:

    On the night of the Central Committee vote, a reporter for the Bay Guardian, which has vociferously criticized Harris for her association with Brown, stands staring outside the State Building as Harris drives off in a stylish black car. “Willie Brown gave her that BMW!” the scribe remarks with unconcealed disgust.

    The reporter is about half right. In fact, as Harris later tells SF Weekly, the mayor gave her a 1994 BMW, which she traded in for the 1997 model she now drives. The car remains a tangible link to a man whom many San Franciscans associate with political chicanery and self-dealing — a connection that doesn't bode well for Kamala Harris.
     
    It appears he got her a NEW one, since they dated in 94-95. And she KEPT IT after they broke up. A basic BMW sedan now costs, to start, $41,000.

    That's not all the "married but separated" 60 year old did for his 29-year-old mistress:

    Aside from handing her an expensive BMW, Brown appointed her to two patronage positions in state government that paid handsomely — more than $400,000 over five years. In 1994, she took a six-month leave of absence from her Alameda County job to join the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. Brown then appointed her to the California Medical Assistance Commission, where she served until 1998, attending two meetings a month for a $99,000 annual salary.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lurker, @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ve seen references to the Willie’s BMW gift to Kamala being the top of the line giant 7 Series. But I haven’t seen enough detail to feel that that is confirmed.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Steve Sailer

    Haven't you seen her lips?

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, a BMW 7-Series was not all that.

    At the very same time as all this stuff you are know using for your blog, I was schtupping with the divorcée of a Soloman Brothers indexer nerd from Princeton and driving his old 7-Series into Manhattan on dates.

    Shortly later, once I thankfully moved back to Connecticut, away from the crazy divorcée, I bought my own 5-Series, which I drove, manual transmission, for the next ten years.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bernard

    , @Neoconned
    @Steve Sailer

    So Steve.....is that allllllllll she got while being UNDER Willie Brown?

    , @Bill Jones
    @Steve Sailer


    I’ve seen references to the Willie’s BMW gift to Kamala being the top of the line giant 7 Series. But I haven’t seen enough detail to feel that that is confirmed.
     
    Didn't you see the tow-hitch that she could practice sucking the chrome off?
  14. “Target is not going to be able to end systemic racism,” said Stephanie Creary, assistant professor of management at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School. “Target is going to be able to reduce the impact of racism that is created from its operations. That’s what we’re looking at.”

    That’s the key point, buried deep in the article. I would expect to start seeing more and more about how systematic racism can’t be ended, just managed.

    This serves two purposes:
    1. Insulates Biden and Democrats from criticism while they are running the show.

    2. Provides cover for a never ending litany of progressive policies. Since systematic racism never ends, neither can the efforts to eliminate it.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @MattinLA
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Precisely. Just like Covid and global warming, it is a sinister menace that is always lurking out there. Only leftist paladins can save us from this peril.

  15. BTW, who buys spices at Target?

    I’ve been to the one here in “The Nutmeg State” nearby, and all I have seen is brownish people buying Cheetos and whatever other crap happens to be in the store as you walk in.

    Now, if you care, there has been a Target store in Boulder, Colorado for years, where I do have extensive history and where I do return occasionally.

    That Target does not give the same vibe. How could it?

    From Wikipedia, The Font Of All Knowledge:
    Boulder: The racial makeup of the city was 88.0% White, 0.9% Black or African American, 0.4% Native American, 4.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 3.2% some other race, and 2.6% from two or more races. 8.7% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.[52]

    I think I bought a few sticks of cheap furnishings at that store before I moved east to experience diversity in the mid-1990s.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Is African American food particularly spicy ? I thought that the idea of white people eating bland food compared to blacks was an outdated stereotype.

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles, @Another Canadian, @S. Anonyia, @Jack D

    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Buzz Mohawk

    One of the “street performers” on Pearl Street in Boulder, a contortionist of apparently West Indian heritage who could fit himself in small boxes, liked to say to his audience, “I love Boulder! Such a great variety of white people!”

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Pop Warner

    , @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    BTW, who buys spices at Target?
     
    The Targets around here have large grocery departments in addition to the usual clothing, cosmetics, housewares, electronics, etc. Not quite as comprehensive as a Walmart Supercenter but close. If you were so inclined you could do all of your grocery shopping (including spice buying) at one of these stores.

    I've noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I'm not really sure what that's about but it's a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you'll know that it's REALLY a thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @prosa123, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Stan d Mute

  16. @Department of Pandemania
    They just normalized shoplifting.

    Replies: @Bubba

    I think San Francisco beat them to it. CVS actually closed 2 stores on Market St. and Sutter St. in 2019 due to shoplifting. Walgreens finally gave in this year.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/Rampant-shoplifting-leads-to-another-Walgreens-15654730.php

  17. I don’t see much in the way of sales unless the spices are menthol and grape.

    • LOL: Bubba, bruce county, TWS
    • Replies: @anon
    @Bragadocious

    Oh yeah. You know full well they have complete data on black shopping tendencies at this and every other store they run. This is the fakest of corporate pandering and they somehow can't even see how stupid it looks.

    Replies: @Hockamaw

  18. Dear Mr Sailer,

    We see you have noticed (in your Saileresque way) our new purchasing policy!

    Yes, going forward, our shelves shall be 100% stocked with stuff appealing to precisely 0% of ghetto negro 100% non-paying ‘customers’.

    This way we will free ourselves 100% from the systemic shoplifter and the systemic looter customer-base.

    Feel free to shop safely and pleasantly in one of our ghetto-negro-free stores! (It will be like going to Malibu!)

    Feel free to browse our aisles of health foods; staid restrained tasteful fashion lines; sensible business/work shoes; our selection of Wipipo Music (Perry Como on special this week only!!); and, of course, our book department, with a section dedicated to Golf Course Clubhouse Architectural Styles.

    We look forward to your paying (how racist is that!!!) custom!

    Yours,

    Target (now to be pronounced nice-white-lady-style: Tar-zhay)

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Ano

    I think misattributed the letter.

    It should be signed by Whole Foods 👍

  19. All purpose seasoning reduce rioting and looting at Target? Possible but unlikely.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Trelane

    Useless eaters.

    , @Roderick Spode
    @Trelane

    Pepper spray maybe

  20. @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    I've seen references to the Willie's BMW gift to Kamala being the top of the line giant 7 Series. But I haven't seen enough detail to feel that that is confirmed.

    Replies: @Bubba, @Buzz Mohawk, @Neoconned, @Bill Jones

    Haven’t you seen her lips?

  21. The description under the main image (shown in the tweet): Protesters leave a Target store during looting on E. Lake St. in Minneapolis, Minnesota

    I know we’ve been in an Orwellian spiral probably forever but the speed and breadth of it now is just insane.

    • Agree: Just another serf
  22. @Bragadocious
    I don't see much in the way of sales unless the spices are menthol and grape.

    Replies: @anon

    Oh yeah. You know full well they have complete data on black shopping tendencies at this and every other store they run. This is the fakest of corporate pandering and they somehow can’t even see how stupid it looks.

    • Replies: @Hockamaw
    @anon

    Black people don’t use many spices. Mainly seasoned salt.

  23. When will corporations start to pursue the Sailer Strategy?

  24. “Systemic racism won’t be fixed by [insert policy change, racket, struggle session, etc.] but it’s a step”

  25. Wouldn’t it speak more to the”community’ if they didn’t have doors or check out counters and eliminated all the racist need to exchange money for goods?

    • Agree: Charon
  26. @Buzz Mohawk
    BTW, who buys spices at Target?

    I've been to the one here in "The Nutmeg State" nearby, and all I have seen is brownish people buying Cheetos and whatever other crap happens to be in the store as you walk in.

    Now, if you care, there has been a Target store in Boulder, Colorado for years, where I do have extensive history and where I do return occasionally.

    That Target does not give the same vibe. How could it?


    From Wikipedia, The Font Of All Knowledge:
    Boulder: The racial makeup of the city was 88.0% White, 0.9% Black or African American, 0.4% Native American, 4.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 3.2% some other race, and 2.6% from two or more races. 8.7% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.[52]
     
    I think I bought a few sticks of cheap furnishings at that store before I moved east to experience diversity in the mid-1990s.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Jack D

    Is African American food particularly spicy ? I thought that the idea of white people eating bland food compared to blacks was an outdated stereotype.

    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
    @AKAHorace


    Is African American food particularly spicy?
     
    African-American food, in my experience as a White musician who played in many black bands in the South, is salty above everything else, bacon or salt pork being the primary flavoring agent. The more exotic spices are favored by Caribbean and South Anerican blacks.

    maybe it's the Somali import in Minnesota that craves the spice...

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Another Canadian
    @AKAHorace


    Is African American food particularly spicy?
     
    Yes, if you consider butter and salt spices.
    , @S. Anonyia
    @AKAHorace

    Not spicy, more salty. They love seasoning salt but there's nothing remotely spicy about it. Just a bit tangy and weird.

    , @Jack D
    @AKAHorace

    I think you are right and that this is outdated because black food (which was really mainly Southern food) has not really evolved but whites have embraced all sorts of exotic and spicy foods. Hillary thought (in a condescending way, naturally) that she could show that she was down with blacks by carrying a bottle of Tabasco sauce in her purse but there are lots of whites now that could have a long discussion with you about Scoville units and ghost peppers vs. Habaneros, etc. and Tabasco is literally considered to be weak sauce.

    There are a lot of things like that - blacks were known for their love of Colt 45 which back in the day of 4% ABV Coors Light was considered to pack quite a punch at a whopping 5.6%, but the IPAs that you can buy by the growler at your local brewpub (and a growler is bigger than a Foty) can run north of 10% ABV.

  27. @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    I've seen references to the Willie's BMW gift to Kamala being the top of the line giant 7 Series. But I haven't seen enough detail to feel that that is confirmed.

    Replies: @Bubba, @Buzz Mohawk, @Neoconned, @Bill Jones

    Steve, a BMW 7-Series was not all that.

    At the very same time as all this stuff you are know using for your blog, I was schtupping with the divorcée of a Soloman Brothers indexer nerd from Princeton and driving his old 7-Series into Manhattan on dates.

    Shortly later, once I thankfully moved back to Connecticut, away from the crazy divorcée, I bought my own 5-Series, which I drove, manual transmission, for the next ten years.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    At the very same time as all this stuff you are know using for your blog, I was schtupping with the divorcée of a Soloman Brothers indexer nerd from Princeton and driving his old 7-Series into Manhattan on dates.
     
    They say that buying second hand is always a better value.

    I hear they say that about cars too.

    Replies: @znon, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Bernard
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Steve, a BMW 7-Series was not all that.
     
    As I recall, the 7 series sold for around $75,000 1994 dollars. Not bad.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  28. Deena Shanker – sounds like the name a serial murdering lesbian.

    • Agree: bruce county
  29. to it’s Minneapolis store

    First, don’t be wasting apostrophes. Democrats next door in Wisconsin need all they can get to add orders of magnitude to their ghost-vote totals.

    There are five Walmarts in Bentonville, and this Tweetling is suggesting there is only one Target in Minneapolis, which is eight times as large?

    Target Is Reopening Its Looted Store With Black Shoppers in Mind

    The looted store wasn’t in a black neighborhood. There are a few thousand blacks living nearby, but half of those are Africans, who have their own stores. My kid’s Cub Scout pack met about eight blocks away, and it was almost entirely white.

    Also, there is a large Cub (not CUP) Foods supermarket sharing the parking lot. There is no need for Target to spice up its rack at all.

    Target, a retailer long associated with White suburban shoppers

    So now Bloomberg has gone full-Jet.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Target was indeed once appealing to white shoppers, but I can barely remember back that far.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  30. @RoatanBill
    I read the linked article. I'll bet this store will get the same treatment should another riot errupt.

    That Target management is so stupid as to cater to these cretins shows that there's little sanity left in the country. They should have closed up and closed many of their other stores in black neighborhoods. Rewarding bad behavior is the exact wrong thing to do.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Bill Jones

    The can’t, or won’t close. Out of economic self interest. Part of the great reset shall be a guaranteed minimum income for all Americans. Blacks will have significant money to spend. Retailers have done the cost benefit calculations and have collectively agreed that some shoplifting will be tolerated. Everything points to this. The attitude of the credit issuers at the Fed is that money is a fiction, its value, an agreement. Therefore money can be created for any or no reason at all. All that matters is that blacks be formidable spenders. The era of scarcity is over. All we have to do is give blacks unlimited money and we will have built the perfect society.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @ThreeCranes

    I read recently that the 3rd drug store of a particular brand, I forget which, is closing in San Francisco. The looting, condoned by the local 'law', makes it impossible to run the stores at a profit.

    Should the entire country get with the same program, the looting will be without precedent, at least for a few weeks or possibly, months. In the end, every entity needs a profit to keep operating.

    That the Fed Gov can generate unlimited amounts of paper currency is a proven fact. What is also a proven fact is that the US Dollar is steadily losing its purchasing power over time. Handing currency to people for free will simply accelerate the destruction of the currency's perceived value. It will be looting with currency changing hands to provide the appearance of commerce happening. Profit must be measured in increased value, not just increased currency units of steadily decreasing value.

    That the insanity of UBI, MMT, negative interest rates and other crackpot economics ideas will be tried is a given. All gov'ts try to maintain their power at all cost and we're at the end of the US empire's 15 minutes of fame.

    I fully expect a Weimar situation soon. First will come deflation in things like houses, vehicles, etc as people need to extract currency units from their possessions to survive. Next will come massive price inflation for food and life's staples just at a time when the Grand Solar Minimum is getting started.

    Replies: @Alden

  31. @Anon
    Article says it has added shutters to come down in case of an emergency. Wonder what kind of emergency they are worried about happening at this store.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Mr. Anon

    Article says it has added shutters to come down in case of an emergency. Wonder what kind of emergency they are worried about happening at this store.

    Those are to shut out systemic racism.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  32. They got some Big Brains up in mini-soda.

    LOL

  33. Tip: if you’re in a supermarket and want to buy spices, avoid the overpriced McCormick ones and the usually still pricey house brands. Look for the Latin American section, assuming the store has one, and you’ll find the same spices at much lower cost.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store where for the same of money as you'd pay for a little jar of McCormick spice that you need a microscope to see, they will sell you a whole bag full of the same spice and it will be fresher too (BTW, never buy pre-ground spices). The amount in one of those little microscopic McCormick jars would be enough to make 1 Indian meal, if that. They would laugh at the quantity in those little jars. Are they meant for doll houses or what?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie, @Captain Tripps, @The Anti-Gnostic

  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, a BMW 7-Series was not all that.

    At the very same time as all this stuff you are know using for your blog, I was schtupping with the divorcée of a Soloman Brothers indexer nerd from Princeton and driving his old 7-Series into Manhattan on dates.

    Shortly later, once I thankfully moved back to Connecticut, away from the crazy divorcée, I bought my own 5-Series, which I drove, manual transmission, for the next ten years.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bernard

    At the very same time as all this stuff you are know using for your blog, I was schtupping with the divorcée of a Soloman Brothers indexer nerd from Princeton and driving his old 7-Series into Manhattan on dates.

    They say that buying second hand is always a better value.

    I hear they say that about cars too.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @znon
    @Mr. Anon

    When buying second hand, make sure you check the oil often.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, but you gotta factor in rapid depreciation.

  35. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, a BMW 7-Series was not all that.

    At the very same time as all this stuff you are know using for your blog, I was schtupping with the divorcée of a Soloman Brothers indexer nerd from Princeton and driving his old 7-Series into Manhattan on dates.

    Shortly later, once I thankfully moved back to Connecticut, away from the crazy divorcée, I bought my own 5-Series, which I drove, manual transmission, for the next ten years.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bernard

    Steve, a BMW 7-Series was not all that.

    As I recall, the 7 series sold for around $75,000 1994 dollars. Not bad.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bernard

    From the ongoing divorce, she had a very nice house on an acre of beautiful land, plus the car and $100,000 a year in alimony.

    Not bad.

    She tried to convince me to marry her.

    She was a "9" in my modest opinion, and I have kind of always felt sorry for the nerd that lost her. The problem was, she was a drunken disaster. A judge gave the two young kids to Dad, and I came to understand why.

    She crashed that car, drunk.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Neoconned

  36. @Buzz Mohawk
    BTW, who buys spices at Target?

    I've been to the one here in "The Nutmeg State" nearby, and all I have seen is brownish people buying Cheetos and whatever other crap happens to be in the store as you walk in.

    Now, if you care, there has been a Target store in Boulder, Colorado for years, where I do have extensive history and where I do return occasionally.

    That Target does not give the same vibe. How could it?


    From Wikipedia, The Font Of All Knowledge:
    Boulder: The racial makeup of the city was 88.0% White, 0.9% Black or African American, 0.4% Native American, 4.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 3.2% some other race, and 2.6% from two or more races. 8.7% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.[52]
     
    I think I bought a few sticks of cheap furnishings at that store before I moved east to experience diversity in the mid-1990s.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Jack D

    One of the “street performers” on Pearl Street in Boulder, a contortionist of apparently West Indian heritage who could fit himself in small boxes, liked to say to his audience, “I love Boulder! Such a great variety of white people!”

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    I had a very nice townhouse two blocks from Pearl Street, and I remember all such performers.

    Indeed, Boulder was very "White" when I was there. To me that was a feature, not a bug.

    , @Pop Warner
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    I delivered pizza to him once. He answered the door so high he could barely open his eyes then paid in exact change.

  37. The Bloomberg article adopts the new style of capitalizing “Black”. Surprisingly, it also capitalizes “White”. It even capitalizes “Whiter”. Have White Supremacists infiltrated Bloomberg?

  38. ” a different assortment of spices. ”

    watermelon and fried chicken?

  39. @prosa123
    Tip: if you're in a supermarket and want to buy spices, avoid the overpriced McCormick ones and the usually still pricey house brands. Look for the Latin American section, assuming the store has one, and you'll find the same spices at much lower cost.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store where for the same of money as you’d pay for a little jar of McCormick spice that you need a microscope to see, they will sell you a whole bag full of the same spice and it will be fresher too (BTW, never buy pre-ground spices). The amount in one of those little microscopic McCormick jars would be enough to make 1 Indian meal, if that. They would laugh at the quantity in those little jars. Are they meant for doll houses or what?

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    The garlic paste alone justifies the trip, it's infinitely superior to any other garlic paste you can get; Trader Joe's is shockingly disappointing.
    You can use a coffee grinder as a spice grinder given redundancy and dedication -- you don't want to go back and forth between coffee and anything else.

    Replies: @Glt

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    never buy pre-ground spices
     
    Very SWPL of you.

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store
     
    Yes, but then I’d have to deal with Indians, and FOB ones at that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anon

    , @Captain Tripps
    @Jack D


    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store
     
    No. Go to an H-Mart or Lotte Plaza; most of them have that Indian (and Latin) spice section anyway; plus, really good produce.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    If you're buying that much that cheaply, it's because the product has been handled at every point in the supply chain by impoverished, indifferent laborers in filthy facilities. So you get that authentic, rat-piss finish to your curry.

    Replies: @Jack D

  40. @Trelane
    All purpose seasoning reduce rioting and looting at Target? Possible but unlikely.

    Replies: @bruce county, @Roderick Spode

    Useless eaters.

  41. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Target will sell a steeply discounted combo-pack of parsley, sage, rosemary & thyme. The Simon & Garfunkel CD of that song, featuring that famous spice lyric, will be sold (at cost, or even free) adjacent to the spices. Blacks will figure they are basically stealing the cheap CD, so they’ll grab it. Well, next thing you know, they are listening to Simon and Garfunkel, instead of rap music, and are acquiring the soulful peaceability of the former. Thus, for them, no more looting. That’s the Target plan.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Anon

    Is listening to music on obsolete media a thing among blacks? Vinyl might have a certain cachet, but does anyone still listen to CDs?

    An acquaintance of mine used to give out custom music mixes at Christmastime. She had to stop a few years ago because no one in her circle of friends and relatives had a CD player anymore.

  42. @Mr. Anon

    Among the changes Target is making to it’s Minneapolis store to better serve the local Black community: a different assortment of spices.
     
    Couldn't read the whole article. Did they say anything about Lexan windows, reinforced cash registers, and sally-ports?

    Replies: @Lot

    “ Did they say anything about Lexan windows, reinforced cash registers, and sally-ports?”

    No, but it does have special “shutters” that can be used in a “future emergency.”

    It looks very airy for an urban Target, short and widely spaced shelves with good security sight lines.

  43. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Buzz Mohawk

    One of the “street performers” on Pearl Street in Boulder, a contortionist of apparently West Indian heritage who could fit himself in small boxes, liked to say to his audience, “I love Boulder! Such a great variety of white people!”

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Pop Warner

    I had a very nice townhouse two blocks from Pearl Street, and I remember all such performers.

    Indeed, Boulder was very “White” when I was there. To me that was a feature, not a bug.

  44. @Lot
    Most extensive Kamala/Willie article I have seen:

    https://www.sfweekly.com/news/kamalas-karma/

    In a series of lengthy interviews with SF Weekly, Harris acknowledges that she benefited from her relationship with Brown, but insists there was nothing improper about it. (Through a spokesman, Brown declined to be interviewed for this story.)

    Harris met Brown in 1994 when he was speaker of the state Assembly. She was 29, he was 60. Their May/December affair was the talk of the town during the year before Brown's successful 1995 bid to become mayor.
     
    Kamala's a Brahman!

    Shyamala immigrated to America from her native India in the early 1960s. “I came to study at UC Berkeley,” she remembers. “I never came to stay. It's the old story: I fell in love with a guy, we got married, pretty soon kids came.” The guy she married was Donald Harris, who later became a Stanford economics professor.

    Kamala was born in 1964; her sister Maya arrived two years later. The maternal side of the family has a tradition of public service. Shyamala's father was a high-ranking Indian civil servant; her mother was an upper-class feminist concerned that the women who did her laundry were the victims of domestic violence.

    “In Indian society we go by birth,” Shyamala explains. “We are Brahmins, that is the top caste. Please do not confuse this with class, which is only about money. For Brahmins, the bloodline is the most important. My family, named Gopalan, goes back more than 1,000 years.”
     
    Willie purchased his lady a BMW:

    On the night of the Central Committee vote, a reporter for the Bay Guardian, which has vociferously criticized Harris for her association with Brown, stands staring outside the State Building as Harris drives off in a stylish black car. “Willie Brown gave her that BMW!” the scribe remarks with unconcealed disgust.

    The reporter is about half right. In fact, as Harris later tells SF Weekly, the mayor gave her a 1994 BMW, which she traded in for the 1997 model she now drives. The car remains a tangible link to a man whom many San Franciscans associate with political chicanery and self-dealing — a connection that doesn't bode well for Kamala Harris.
     
    It appears he got her a NEW one, since they dated in 94-95. And she KEPT IT after they broke up. A basic BMW sedan now costs, to start, $41,000.

    That's not all the "married but separated" 60 year old did for his 29-year-old mistress:

    Aside from handing her an expensive BMW, Brown appointed her to two patronage positions in state government that paid handsomely — more than $400,000 over five years. In 1994, she took a six-month leave of absence from her Alameda County job to join the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. Brown then appointed her to the California Medical Assistance Commission, where she served until 1998, attending two meetings a month for a $99,000 annual salary.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lurker, @Achmed E. Newman

    Were the Hindu Dindu’s parents actually US citizens or merely resident when she was born?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Lurker

    They were post-doctoral students. I'm not sure what the visa categories were in 1964, before Hart-Celler, but it is reasonable to assume that they were not US permanent residents, but rather, on some kind of academic or post-graduate "practical training" work visa.

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @c matt

    , @Alden
    @Lurker

    Proper visa legal residents and FYI, the question was settled in the Supreme Court findings and rulings in the 1890s, US vs Tin. Persons born of legal US residents regardless of type of visa are indeed natural born citizens. Or illegal residents and tourists and even a Mexican over in the US side for a couple days. The only exception in the 14 th amendment was children born of foreign diplomats. As you should and probably do know.

    Subsequent federal court cases always upheld the Tin case ruling. The Tin case ruling was nothing new. Previous cases precedents etc always held to the 14th amendment “ all persons born in the USA are natural born citizens”

    Even babies born on the San Diego beach and 2 yards on the American side of the Mexico or Canada borders are considered natural born citizens as you well know.

    Even in colonial times, persons born in the American colonies, even children born of British colonial administrators and military were considered “ Americans”. Hamilton was sometimes derided as an “ immigrant” by his enemies.

    At the time of 14th amendment and Tin case, there was no such thing as student visas.

  45. @Trelane
    All purpose seasoning reduce rioting and looting at Target? Possible but unlikely.

    Replies: @bruce county, @Roderick Spode

    Pepper spray maybe

  46. @Buzz Mohawk
    BTW, who buys spices at Target?

    I've been to the one here in "The Nutmeg State" nearby, and all I have seen is brownish people buying Cheetos and whatever other crap happens to be in the store as you walk in.

    Now, if you care, there has been a Target store in Boulder, Colorado for years, where I do have extensive history and where I do return occasionally.

    That Target does not give the same vibe. How could it?


    From Wikipedia, The Font Of All Knowledge:
    Boulder: The racial makeup of the city was 88.0% White, 0.9% Black or African American, 0.4% Native American, 4.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 3.2% some other race, and 2.6% from two or more races. 8.7% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.[52]
     
    I think I bought a few sticks of cheap furnishings at that store before I moved east to experience diversity in the mid-1990s.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Jack D

    BTW, who buys spices at Target?

    The Targets around here have large grocery departments in addition to the usual clothing, cosmetics, housewares, electronics, etc. Not quite as comprehensive as a Walmart Supercenter but close. If you were so inclined you could do all of your grocery shopping (including spice buying) at one of these stores.

    I’ve noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I’m not really sure what that’s about but it’s a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you’ll know that it’s REALLY a thing.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Jack D

    Even Tractor Supply has all kinds of snacks and crap up front, as if no one can stop in for some horse feed or stove pellets without suddenly feeling faint from hunger

    Replies: @prosa123

    , @prosa123
    @Jack D

    There's a Target very close to me, and while it has a large food section the stocking levels are atrocious. Go there in the evening and the shelves are as bare as in Pyongyang People's Supermarket No. 14. As far as I can tell it's because the store doesn't use outside merchandisers and restocks only at night.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    I’ve noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too.
     
    I believe most gas stations, and perhaps even dollar stores now, accept EBT cards. As to the drug stores, maybe they're catering to old people, who are often in there to pick up medications, and might want to get some milk and TV dinners too. I don't know. It is, as you say, an interesting trend.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    I’ve noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I’m not really sure what that’s about but it’s a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you’ll know that it’s REALLY a thing.
     
    It's a hedge against pandemic-related business shutdowns. If a retailer sells food, it's an essential business.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Jack D


    If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you’ll know that it’s REALLY a thing.
     
    Menards is leading this parade. One can find a car battery, antifreeze, roofing shingles, 2x4 lumber, appliances, and a frozen pizza all under the roof. They only need fresh produce and live animals to complement their pet food stocks.
  47. @Bernard
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Steve, a BMW 7-Series was not all that.
     
    As I recall, the 7 series sold for around $75,000 1994 dollars. Not bad.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    From the ongoing divorce, she had a very nice house on an acre of beautiful land, plus the car and $100,000 a year in alimony.

    Not bad.

    She tried to convince me to marry her.

    She was a “9” in my modest opinion, and I have kind of always felt sorry for the nerd that lost her. The problem was, she was a drunken disaster. A judge gave the two young kids to Dad, and I came to understand why.

    She crashed that car, drunk.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    >I have kind of always felt sorry for the nerd that lost her.

    Why you don't sleep with crazy people is something that most people just have to learn the hard way... hopefully before you get married to them.

    Signed:

    Guy Who Really Had To Learn That The Hard Way.

    , @Neoconned
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There's an old phrase "....the hotter they are the crazier they are....."

    Thats why i mess around in the 6 to 8 range these days. I don't have the nerves for a 10 or even a 9 and all their drama bullsh--

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @nebulafox

  48. @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    Paragraph after paragraph of black community relations Ba and then they sneak this in there:
    “ It also added shutters to the store that can come down in case of future emergencies.”
    Almost certainly better cameras, as well

    Replies: @Rob, @Stan Adams, @Anon

    I could see the shutters causing the company some trouble in future peaceful protest extracurriculars. Let’s say a protest starts, and gets the local ne’er do wells out in force.

    Does the store close and lock down immediately? That sounds like they think any congregation of blacks protesting injustice will turn into looting. So, the only reason to lockdown is racism. So they stay open.

    Then a few ne’er do wells begin peacefully looting. Then they can lock down, right? Well, there are legitimate customers in the store, and they get locked in with rioters? For how long? Until the police arrive? Police don’t try to control looters in blue cities. They are going to be locked up, innocents and looters both, for a very long time, and eventually, the police come in force? Sounds dangerous for those black bodies. Locking down with only a few looters in the store is racist.

    So locking down when the store is full of looters is ok, right? Well, no. First, who locks down the store? Is it done remotely? Then people not in any way part of the community are judging blacks? I’m actually not so sure what about specifically remote lockdown is racist, but I’m sure it is particularly racist in its own way. But employees in the store can lock it down, right? Whoa Nelly! You expect (black or brown) employees to stay during looting, and then lock themselves in with a bunch of soon to be very angry looters? Sounds pretty racist.

    The typical police response to large-scale civil unrest in blue cities is staying out of the way. They wait for the rioters to get tired, go home, and pretend to be only moderately vile people so whites don’t lock them in cages. The police do not want to deal with a hundred(? More?) looters all locked up together. That is hazardous clump of near-humans. The police will only deal with that with overwhelming force. Very dangerous for black bodies, and the racist Target corporation racistly imprisoned them for the cops to racially brutalize. Sounds even more racist than preemptive lockdown and lockdown with a few looters in the store.

    Maybe the store manager doesn’t see things that way, but the media will paint the store’s employees and managers in the worst light.

    Let’s say the store manager panics at the first signs of FloydFest, and locks down. That’s sadist for reasons stated above. Furthermore, let’s say this protest had no associated looting or rioting. Back to the racistly assuming blacks will misbehave, this time with actual evidence that blacks did not misbehave. What is that? You know it’s racism.

    Some of the stuff in the article, like asking residents what they wanted from a store, and plans to stock inventory of things the customers want to buy seems like standard marketing research, and I’m surprised they didn’t do that sort of thing before moving into a new market. They should have someone at corporate who has a database of stores, surrounding ethnic groups etc. and automatically stock Somali-style spices and food when their store is surrounded by Somalis. Obviously I think we there should only be Somalis living around Targets when the Target is located in Somalia, but that ship seems to have sailed (to America with an endless horde of aliens), and smart companies know something about their customers.

    I’d say that what this article says about Target’s corporate style means this might be a good uptime to short Target stock.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Rob

    Similar to an Amber Alert for a missing child, we need a Floyd Alert to be broadcast whenever a Black has been subjected to an unwanted arrest so stores such as Target can close the shutters in protest against the police. Simply paint "BLM" or similar nonsense on the exterior shutters.

  49. So crates of Lawry’s Seasoned Salt it is. Goes great on fish and spaghetti

  50. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store where for the same of money as you'd pay for a little jar of McCormick spice that you need a microscope to see, they will sell you a whole bag full of the same spice and it will be fresher too (BTW, never buy pre-ground spices). The amount in one of those little microscopic McCormick jars would be enough to make 1 Indian meal, if that. They would laugh at the quantity in those little jars. Are they meant for doll houses or what?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie, @Captain Tripps, @The Anti-Gnostic

    The garlic paste alone justifies the trip, it’s infinitely superior to any other garlic paste you can get; Trader Joe’s is shockingly disappointing.
    You can use a coffee grinder as a spice grinder given redundancy and dedication — you don’t want to go back and forth between coffee and anything else.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Glt
    @J.Ross

    The Trader Joe’s spice or salt containers with built in grinders work well for reuse

  51. @AKAHorace
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Is African American food particularly spicy ? I thought that the idea of white people eating bland food compared to blacks was an outdated stereotype.

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles, @Another Canadian, @S. Anonyia, @Jack D

    Is African American food particularly spicy?

    African-American food, in my experience as a White musician who played in many black bands in the South, is salty above everything else, bacon or salt pork being the primary flavoring agent. The more exotic spices are favored by Caribbean and South Anerican blacks.

    maybe it’s the Somali import in Minnesota that craves the spice…

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Charles St. Charles

    American black food also tends to be very sweet.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Chrisnonymous

  52. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store where for the same of money as you'd pay for a little jar of McCormick spice that you need a microscope to see, they will sell you a whole bag full of the same spice and it will be fresher too (BTW, never buy pre-ground spices). The amount in one of those little microscopic McCormick jars would be enough to make 1 Indian meal, if that. They would laugh at the quantity in those little jars. Are they meant for doll houses or what?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie, @Captain Tripps, @The Anti-Gnostic

    never buy pre-ground spices

    Very SWPL of you.

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store

    Yes, but then I’d have to deal with Indians, and FOB ones at that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist. Maybe grinding your own spices is very SWPL (they had mortars and pestles in the Old Country too) but buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy so I'll take SWPL.

    BTW, old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food - there was some kind of belief that spicy foods were sexually stimulating (and that was a bad thing). In the Settlement Houses where they taught immigrant women how to run an American kitchen, they tried to get people to cut out the garlic and pickles and so on. (They would have fainted if there had been Korean immigrants in those days.) I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking and it gives a sub-recipe for Italian meatballs. You start with the recipe for German Meatballs which they have just given at length and then in order to turn them into the exotic Italian Meatballs you omit a couple of things and you add 1/2 tsp. of oregano and ONE HALF of a clove of garlic (what are you supposed to do with the other half?). I suppose using the whole clove (this is a recipe for 4-6 people) might kill you.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn't have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores. Might as well reap some benefit from them. BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    Replies: @peterike, @Stan Adams, @S. Anonyia, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    , @Anon
    @Twinkie

    What don't you like about Indians?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  53. Among the changes Target is making to it’s Minneapolis store to better serve the local Black community: a different assortment of spices.

    “Ok, you querulous negroes, how about we throw some nutmeg your way and y’all just don’t loot our store next time?”

    • LOL: Charon
  54. @Lot
    Most extensive Kamala/Willie article I have seen:

    https://www.sfweekly.com/news/kamalas-karma/

    In a series of lengthy interviews with SF Weekly, Harris acknowledges that she benefited from her relationship with Brown, but insists there was nothing improper about it. (Through a spokesman, Brown declined to be interviewed for this story.)

    Harris met Brown in 1994 when he was speaker of the state Assembly. She was 29, he was 60. Their May/December affair was the talk of the town during the year before Brown's successful 1995 bid to become mayor.
     
    Kamala's a Brahman!

    Shyamala immigrated to America from her native India in the early 1960s. “I came to study at UC Berkeley,” she remembers. “I never came to stay. It's the old story: I fell in love with a guy, we got married, pretty soon kids came.” The guy she married was Donald Harris, who later became a Stanford economics professor.

    Kamala was born in 1964; her sister Maya arrived two years later. The maternal side of the family has a tradition of public service. Shyamala's father was a high-ranking Indian civil servant; her mother was an upper-class feminist concerned that the women who did her laundry were the victims of domestic violence.

    “In Indian society we go by birth,” Shyamala explains. “We are Brahmins, that is the top caste. Please do not confuse this with class, which is only about money. For Brahmins, the bloodline is the most important. My family, named Gopalan, goes back more than 1,000 years.”
     
    Willie purchased his lady a BMW:

    On the night of the Central Committee vote, a reporter for the Bay Guardian, which has vociferously criticized Harris for her association with Brown, stands staring outside the State Building as Harris drives off in a stylish black car. “Willie Brown gave her that BMW!” the scribe remarks with unconcealed disgust.

    The reporter is about half right. In fact, as Harris later tells SF Weekly, the mayor gave her a 1994 BMW, which she traded in for the 1997 model she now drives. The car remains a tangible link to a man whom many San Franciscans associate with political chicanery and self-dealing — a connection that doesn't bode well for Kamala Harris.
     
    It appears he got her a NEW one, since they dated in 94-95. And she KEPT IT after they broke up. A basic BMW sedan now costs, to start, $41,000.

    That's not all the "married but separated" 60 year old did for his 29-year-old mistress:

    Aside from handing her an expensive BMW, Brown appointed her to two patronage positions in state government that paid handsomely — more than $400,000 over five years. In 1994, she took a six-month leave of absence from her Alameda County job to join the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. Brown then appointed her to the California Medical Assistance Commission, where she served until 1998, attending two meetings a month for a $99,000 annual salary.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lurker, @Achmed E. Newman

    Hey Lot, that may be more comprehensive an article, but a lady going by the pen name of “Angie Saxon” published 2 pretty good articles on Mrs. Harris’ background on VDare:

    Kamala Harris: Racism Begins At Home

    and

    Kamala Harris: Working Girl Makes Good

    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My wife told me that, were Biden to be incapacitated and Kamala were to become president, we’d have the HBO show “Veep” come to life, only the main character is black-Indian instead of Jewish.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!
     
    And one with no children, and probably no real religious beliefs. People in government should have children, so they have a clear, tangible stake in the future. And they should sincerely believe in God - in something higher than themselves. Those aren't sufficient conditions, but they are necessary ones.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Macumazahn

    , @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You can see a bit of similarity between Gopalan and Stanley Ann Dunham, though the former has a stronger claim to hoity-toity lineage and other successful-seeming children. It’s almost as if this type of woman crops up in several different places and races through the industrialized world.

    Of course the key similarity is by the time her kid’s political career took off neither of the parody-matriarchs was around to appreciate/meddle in it.

    In the alternative universe Barry Soetero and Kammy Gopalan would be unlikely to attain much fame in their bourgeois lib circles, let alone awesome power over other bourgeois libs.

  55. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Buzz Mohawk

    One of the “street performers” on Pearl Street in Boulder, a contortionist of apparently West Indian heritage who could fit himself in small boxes, liked to say to his audience, “I love Boulder! Such a great variety of white people!”

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Pop Warner

    I delivered pizza to him once. He answered the door so high he could barely open his eyes then paid in exact change.

    • LOL: Charon
  56. @Charles St. Charles
    @AKAHorace


    Is African American food particularly spicy?
     
    African-American food, in my experience as a White musician who played in many black bands in the South, is salty above everything else, bacon or salt pork being the primary flavoring agent. The more exotic spices are favored by Caribbean and South Anerican blacks.

    maybe it's the Somali import in Minnesota that craves the spice...

    Replies: @Twinkie

    American black food also tends to be very sweet.

    • Agree: Charles St. Charles
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Twinkie

    So in summary, people known for diabetes and hypertension are consuming lots of sugar and salt.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Twinkie

    Can confirm. I lived in Silver Springs briefly, and used to eat in a BBQ chicken restaurant on Sunday afternoons. All black (except me) and everything dripping with a sweetened sauce. Delicious, in its way...

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @bruce county

  57. @Bubba
    Spices? Why don't they just sell weed using EBT cards to "better serve the Black (sp) community."

    Regardless, everything in Target will still be looted after the pharmacy & all the liquor is cleaned out in a riot.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Good point, Bubba. I don’t think “nutmeg” and “black people” go together, at least not in my mind. Incense is for white New Age chicks like Mary Moon. Black people only burn it to mask the smell of their dope.. an idea that they appropriated from White people anyway.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Caribbean jerk chicken has a lot of nutmeg and cloves. It’s just an old British grilled chicken recipe. Sweet potato and pecan pie have nutmeg. Blacks love gravy. A tiny bit of nutmeg in gravy adds a lot of delicious ness to beef and turkey gravy.

  58. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Matthew 6:22

  59. Among the changes Target is making to it’s Minneapolis store to better serve the local Black community: a different assortment of spices.

    Security cameras be damned, the spice must flow.

    OK, someone had to do that. It’s something from Dune, movie that was putting me to sleep a few days ago, so I put it back in its case about 1/2 way through to go back to the library. Sorry, Sci-Fi fans, and I’m one myself, but this one sucks.

    • LOL: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Achmed E. Newman


    to go back to the library
     
    You know torrents are a thing, right?

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Achmed E. Newman

  60. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bernard

    From the ongoing divorce, she had a very nice house on an acre of beautiful land, plus the car and $100,000 a year in alimony.

    Not bad.

    She tried to convince me to marry her.

    She was a "9" in my modest opinion, and I have kind of always felt sorry for the nerd that lost her. The problem was, she was a drunken disaster. A judge gave the two young kids to Dad, and I came to understand why.

    She crashed that car, drunk.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Neoconned

    >I have kind of always felt sorry for the nerd that lost her.

    Why you don’t sleep with crazy people is something that most people just have to learn the hard way… hopefully before you get married to them.

    Signed:

    Guy Who Really Had To Learn That The Hard Way.

    • LOL: Peter Johnson
  61. @anon
    @Bragadocious

    Oh yeah. You know full well they have complete data on black shopping tendencies at this and every other store they run. This is the fakest of corporate pandering and they somehow can't even see how stupid it looks.

    Replies: @Hockamaw

    Black people don’t use many spices. Mainly seasoned salt.

  62. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    BTW, who buys spices at Target?
     
    The Targets around here have large grocery departments in addition to the usual clothing, cosmetics, housewares, electronics, etc. Not quite as comprehensive as a Walmart Supercenter but close. If you were so inclined you could do all of your grocery shopping (including spice buying) at one of these stores.

    I've noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I'm not really sure what that's about but it's a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you'll know that it's REALLY a thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @prosa123, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Stan d Mute

    Even Tractor Supply has all kinds of snacks and crap up front, as if no one can stop in for some horse feed or stove pellets without suddenly feeling faint from hunger

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Known Fact

    Even Tractor Supply has all kinds of snacks and crap up front, as if no one can stop in for some horse feed or stove pellets without suddenly feeling faint from hunger

    Snacks and candy at checkout registers are called "impulse items" and have a high markup.

    Replies: @Charon

  63. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    BTW, who buys spices at Target?
     
    The Targets around here have large grocery departments in addition to the usual clothing, cosmetics, housewares, electronics, etc. Not quite as comprehensive as a Walmart Supercenter but close. If you were so inclined you could do all of your grocery shopping (including spice buying) at one of these stores.

    I've noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I'm not really sure what that's about but it's a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you'll know that it's REALLY a thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @prosa123, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Stan d Mute

    There’s a Target very close to me, and while it has a large food section the stocking levels are atrocious. Go there in the evening and the shelves are as bare as in Pyongyang People’s Supermarket No. 14. As far as I can tell it’s because the store doesn’t use outside merchandisers and restocks only at night.

  64. Target Is Reopening Its Looted Store With Black Shoppers in Mind

    Here’s how:

    It also added shutters to the store that can come down in case of future emergencies.

  65. @NJ Transit Commuter

    “Target is not going to be able to end systemic racism,” said Stephanie Creary, assistant professor of management at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School. “Target is going to be able to reduce the impact of racism that is created from its operations. That’s what we’re looking at.”
     
    That’s the key point, buried deep in the article. I would expect to start seeing more and more about how systematic racism can’t be ended, just managed.

    This serves two purposes:
    1. Insulates Biden and Democrats from criticism while they are running the show.

    2. Provides cover for a never ending litany of progressive policies. Since systematic racism never ends, neither can the efforts to eliminate it.

    Replies: @MattinLA

    Precisely. Just like Covid and global warming, it is a sinister menace that is always lurking out there. Only leftist paladins can save us from this peril.

  66. @Lurker
    @Lot

    Were the Hindu Dindu's parents actually US citizens or merely resident when she was born?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Alden

    They were post-doctoral students. I’m not sure what the visa categories were in 1964, before Hart-Celler, but it is reasonable to assume that they were not US permanent residents, but rather, on some kind of academic or post-graduate “practical training” work visa.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    @PiltdownMan

    I think it was doctoral, not post-doctoral, fellowships.

    , @c matt
    @PiltdownMan

    I guess it all depends on how the SCOTUS would interpret "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Clearly, anyone whose parents were here illegally would not qualify; a permanent resident seems would qualify; someone here legally but temporarily - who knows.

  67. @Twinkie
    @Charles St. Charles

    American black food also tends to be very sweet.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Chrisnonymous

    So in summary, people known for diabetes and hypertension are consuming lots of sugar and salt.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • LOL: Twinkie
  68. Deena Shanker has a JD from the University of Pennsylvania Law School. She is a food industry reporter for Bloomberg and that’s been her beat for a decade. I guess she didn’t want to be a lawyer, after all. When she was a young college student, she was pro-Israeli, and in the news, briefly, for a dust-up with a pro-Palestinian professor.

    https://www.academia.org/columbia-culpa/

  69. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot

    Hey Lot, that may be more comprehensive an article, but a lady going by the pen name of "Angie Saxon" published 2 pretty good articles on Mrs. Harris' background on VDare:

    Kamala Harris: Racism Begins At Home

    and

    Kamala Harris: Working Girl Makes Good

    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

    My wife told me that, were Biden to be incapacitated and Kamala were to become president, we’d have the HBO show “Veep” come to life, only the main character is black-Indian instead of Jewish.

  70. @Twinkie
    @Charles St. Charles

    American black food also tends to be very sweet.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Chrisnonymous

    Can confirm. I lived in Silver Springs briefly, and used to eat in a BBQ chicken restaurant on Sunday afternoons. All black (except me) and everything dripping with a sweetened sauce. Delicious, in its way…

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Chrisnonymous

    I've eaten black cooking a few times and found it gross. Greasy and tasteless. I think I enjoyed British cuisine more.

    But, there's likely good black dishes out there and I'm not so old as to turn my nose up at something new. Anybody got a decent recipe to clean out some of my systemic prejudices?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @bruce county
    @Chrisnonymous

    All black (except me)

    Weren't you a brave sort.
    I would guess the kitchen staff were black as well.
    Even braver to eat what they handled/cooked.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  71. @Achmed E. Newman

    Among the changes Target is making to it’s Minneapolis store to better serve the local Black community: a different assortment of spices.
     
    Security cameras be damned, the spice must flow.

    OK, someone had to do that. It's something from Dune, movie that was putting me to sleep a few days ago, so I put it back in its case about 1/2 way through to go back to the library. Sorry, Sci-Fi fans, and I'm one myself, but this one sucks.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    to go back to the library

    You know torrents are a thing, right?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @BenKenobi

    OK.ru is an even thingier thing.

    The other day I had a perverse impulse to watch the disastrous-yet-oddly-compelling 1970 movie adaptation of Gore Vidal's Myra Breckinridge. OK had the whole movie.



    Dune (1984):
    https://ok.ru/video/927366580783

    Myra Breckinridge (1970):
    https://ok.ru/video/982692858370

    Replies: @anon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @BenKenobi

    I know it's a thing, Ben, but I will never run out of movies from the library anyway. Thanks, though.

  72. Anon[456] • Disclaimer says:

    “In Indian society we go by birth,” Shyamala explains. “We are Brahmins, that is the top caste. Please do not confuse this with class, which is only about money. For Brahmins, the bloodline is the most important. My family, named Gopalan, goes back more than 1,000 years.”

    Welp, there goes all the trouble and effort her ancestors took to maintain her bloodline. Brahmins aren’t allowed to marry outside of the caste system, what to speak of outside their race.

    Kamala, certainly, is no Brahmin. I highly doubt she even knows anything about her Indian side, other than, “My mom told me I was a Brahmin.”

    People who are actually Indian tend to talk about Indian culture a lot. It’s not something you just put on the shelf to look at or just use as a colorful backstory to please Western shitlibs so they can go “Oh wow that’s so exotic mannnnnn…. Like, Jamaican and Indian wowwwwww…..”

  73. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    BTW, who buys spices at Target?
     
    The Targets around here have large grocery departments in addition to the usual clothing, cosmetics, housewares, electronics, etc. Not quite as comprehensive as a Walmart Supercenter but close. If you were so inclined you could do all of your grocery shopping (including spice buying) at one of these stores.

    I've noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I'm not really sure what that's about but it's a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you'll know that it's REALLY a thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @prosa123, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Stan d Mute

    I’ve noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too.

    I believe most gas stations, and perhaps even dollar stores now, accept EBT cards. As to the drug stores, maybe they’re catering to old people, who are often in there to pick up medications, and might want to get some milk and TV dinners too. I don’t know. It is, as you say, an interesting trend.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Mr. Anon

    My local CVS, every time I go there more shelves are devoted to food. They have bacon and canned hams but no other meat or any produce. But all sorts of staples canned food, eggs milk ice cream etc. it started with a case of sandwiches and salads and has become a half grocery half drugstore.store I’m sure the only reason it hasn’t expanded to produce and fresh meat is government food regulations.

    Art supply stores don’t have potato chips as yet. Michael’s yarn and craft stores do. So do thrift shops. Borders book stores had shelves and shelves of candy and cookies. No wonder we’re so fat.

    Gas stations used to sell oil, battery jump cables and other useful car car items. Now potato chips and candy.

    There’s a Target near me with a big food section. Prices about 1/3 lower than the expensive grocery chain next door. Don’t buy meat at Target. It’s injected with lots of water, probably the maximum amount allowed by law.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  74. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot

    Hey Lot, that may be more comprehensive an article, but a lady going by the pen name of "Angie Saxon" published 2 pretty good articles on Mrs. Harris' background on VDare:

    Kamala Harris: Racism Begins At Home

    and

    Kamala Harris: Working Girl Makes Good

    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!

    And one with no children, and probably no real religious beliefs. People in government should have children, so they have a clear, tangible stake in the future. And they should sincerely believe in God – in something higher than themselves. Those aren’t sufficient conditions, but they are necessary ones.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Mr. Anon


    And one with no children, and probably no real religious beliefs. People in government should have children, so they have a clear, tangible stake in the future.
     
    Could I take that a step further and say that people in government should have children who have a clear, tangible stake in the future of the country the politician serves in?
    , @Macumazahn
    @Mr. Anon

    "People in government should ... sincerely believe in God"
    On the contrary. They should be rational people who do not embrace primitive superstitions like religion - just as they should reject modern superstitions like egalitarianism.

  75. @Known Fact
    @Jack D

    Even Tractor Supply has all kinds of snacks and crap up front, as if no one can stop in for some horse feed or stove pellets without suddenly feeling faint from hunger

    Replies: @prosa123

    Even Tractor Supply has all kinds of snacks and crap up front, as if no one can stop in for some horse feed or stove pellets without suddenly feeling faint from hunger

    Snacks and candy at checkout registers are called “impulse items” and have a high markup.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @prosa123

    Have you ever shopped for food in the ghetto? That's nearly all those people buy. Junk food in convenience sizes, at ridiculous prices. Good thing that even back then (many years ago) I had the sense not to suggest smarter, more economic, and healthier choices.

    Their endless health issues are the result of systemic racism.

  76. When you put enough nutmeg in a glass of water and drink it, you get high. Charlie Parker used to drink it at jazz clubs in KC when he was in his early teens. Nutmeg in water and fried crawfish. A very cheap dinner and high for the less than affluent.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/01/my-nutmeg-bender/308863/

  77. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks cooking? Get real. What will they take up next? Camping? Swimming? The harpsichord? Birdwatching? (Oh, wait…)

    The spice thing must be recent immigrants. Maybe Somalis have gotten too lazy to grind their own xawaash, and they want Target to stock a pre-mixed version. Bought of course from a “Somali owned business” that weirdly seems to be run by Jews employing Mexicans, with a single Somali frontwoman who sits around doing nothing.

  78. @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!
     
    And one with no children, and probably no real religious beliefs. People in government should have children, so they have a clear, tangible stake in the future. And they should sincerely believe in God - in something higher than themselves. Those aren't sufficient conditions, but they are necessary ones.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Macumazahn

    And one with no children, and probably no real religious beliefs. People in government should have children, so they have a clear, tangible stake in the future.

    Could I take that a step further and say that people in government should have children who have a clear, tangible stake in the future of the country the politician serves in?

  79. They’re just trying to curry favour with Kamala.

    • LOL: bruce county, Twinkie
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    The Alarmist:


    They’re just trying to curry favour with Kamala.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNkzmP4ypOk

    Thanks, he'll be here all week. Try the curry nutmeg chitlins

    Replies: @nebulafox

  80. @ThreeCranes
    @RoatanBill

    The can't, or won't close. Out of economic self interest. Part of the great reset shall be a guaranteed minimum income for all Americans. Blacks will have significant money to spend. Retailers have done the cost benefit calculations and have collectively agreed that some shoplifting will be tolerated. Everything points to this. The attitude of the credit issuers at the Fed is that money is a fiction, its value, an agreement. Therefore money can be created for any or no reason at all. All that matters is that blacks be formidable spenders. The era of scarcity is over. All we have to do is give blacks unlimited money and we will have built the perfect society.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

    I read recently that the 3rd drug store of a particular brand, I forget which, is closing in San Francisco. The looting, condoned by the local ‘law’, makes it impossible to run the stores at a profit.

    Should the entire country get with the same program, the looting will be without precedent, at least for a few weeks or possibly, months. In the end, every entity needs a profit to keep operating.

    That the Fed Gov can generate unlimited amounts of paper currency is a proven fact. What is also a proven fact is that the US Dollar is steadily losing its purchasing power over time. Handing currency to people for free will simply accelerate the destruction of the currency’s perceived value. It will be looting with currency changing hands to provide the appearance of commerce happening. Profit must be measured in increased value, not just increased currency units of steadily decreasing value.

    That the insanity of UBI, MMT, negative interest rates and other crackpot economics ideas will be tried is a given. All gov’ts try to maintain their power at all cost and we’re at the end of the US empire’s 15 minutes of fame.

    I fully expect a Weimar situation soon. First will come deflation in things like houses, vehicles, etc as people need to extract currency units from their possessions to survive. Next will come massive price inflation for food and life’s staples just at a time when the Grand Solar Minimum is getting started.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @RoatanBill

    I looked up your island ,Roatan. Seems a nice place, part of Honduras. Maybe I’ll send some scuba divers and sailor tourists. They’re always looking for new islands.

  81. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bernard

    From the ongoing divorce, she had a very nice house on an acre of beautiful land, plus the car and $100,000 a year in alimony.

    Not bad.

    She tried to convince me to marry her.

    She was a "9" in my modest opinion, and I have kind of always felt sorry for the nerd that lost her. The problem was, she was a drunken disaster. A judge gave the two young kids to Dad, and I came to understand why.

    She crashed that car, drunk.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Neoconned

    There’s an old phrase “….the hotter they are the crazier they are…..”

    Thats why i mess around in the 6 to 8 range these days. I don’t have the nerves for a 10 or even a 9 and all their drama bullsh–

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Neoconned

    I thought you said you were married and had a kid.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @nebulafox
    @Neoconned

    >There’s an old phrase “….the hotter they are the crazier they are…..”

    Has not been my experience. Crazy and ugly can and do coexist.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  82. @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    I've seen references to the Willie's BMW gift to Kamala being the top of the line giant 7 Series. But I haven't seen enough detail to feel that that is confirmed.

    Replies: @Bubba, @Buzz Mohawk, @Neoconned, @Bill Jones

    So Steve…..is that allllllllll she got while being UNDER Willie Brown?

  83. @RoatanBill
    I read the linked article. I'll bet this store will get the same treatment should another riot errupt.

    That Target management is so stupid as to cater to these cretins shows that there's little sanity left in the country. They should have closed up and closed many of their other stores in black neighborhoods. Rewarding bad behavior is the exact wrong thing to do.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Bill Jones

    It’s quite remarkable that they should try to entice that particular group to frequent their stores.

    In a sane society that action would lead to shareholder lawsuits.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  84. @AKAHorace
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Is African American food particularly spicy ? I thought that the idea of white people eating bland food compared to blacks was an outdated stereotype.

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles, @Another Canadian, @S. Anonyia, @Jack D

    Is African American food particularly spicy?

    Yes, if you consider butter and salt spices.

  85. @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    I've seen references to the Willie's BMW gift to Kamala being the top of the line giant 7 Series. But I haven't seen enough detail to feel that that is confirmed.

    Replies: @Bubba, @Buzz Mohawk, @Neoconned, @Bill Jones

    I’ve seen references to the Willie’s BMW gift to Kamala being the top of the line giant 7 Series. But I haven’t seen enough detail to feel that that is confirmed.

    Didn’t you see the tow-hitch that she could practice sucking the chrome off?

  86. @PiltdownMan
    @Lurker

    They were post-doctoral students. I'm not sure what the visa categories were in 1964, before Hart-Celler, but it is reasonable to assume that they were not US permanent residents, but rather, on some kind of academic or post-graduate "practical training" work visa.

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @c matt

    I think it was doctoral, not post-doctoral, fellowships.

  87. Tide detergent, which is a form of ghetto currency, would not have to be locked in cages if they changed the container color from Basketball Orange to something less appealing, like tartan.

  88. @Reg Cæsar

    to it’s Minneapolis store
     
    First, don't be wasting apostrophes. Democrats next door in Wisconsin need all they can get to add orders of magnitude to their ghost-vote totals.

    There are five Walmarts in Bentonville, and this Tweetling is suggesting there is only one Target in Minneapolis, which is eight times as large?


    Target Is Reopening Its Looted Store With Black Shoppers in Mind
     
    The looted store wasn't in a black neighborhood. There are a few thousand blacks living nearby, but half of those are Africans, who have their own stores. My kid's Cub Scout pack met about eight blocks away, and it was almost entirely white.

    Also, there is a large Cub (not CUP) Foods supermarket sharing the parking lot. There is no need for Target to spice up its rack at all.


    Target, a retailer long associated with White suburban shoppers
     
    So now Bloomberg has gone full-Jet.

    Replies: @Charon

    Target was indeed once appealing to white shoppers, but I can barely remember back that far.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Charon


    Target was indeed once appealing to white shoppers, but I can barely remember back that far.
     
    It still is in our area. Aldi is okay or awful, depending on where. Ours has Danish butter cookie coffee "creamer', which would almost make up for WWII if it used real cream instead of sunflower oil.

    The local Walmarts sell hunting weapons, but the council in our old city refused them a building permit until they agreed not to. (They didn't even build, just took over a former Kmart*.)

    It's like public transportation. It's usually pleasant in Asia or off-the-beaten-path Europe. But rarely in cities where it is both run and used by those with " diverse" standards.


    *Both chains have dropped their hyphens, but Amazon's Kindle re-inserts one into "Wal-Mart"-- just like that! Why is Jeff Besos [sic] doing this?

    Replies: @Rob McX

  89. @prosa123
    @Known Fact

    Even Tractor Supply has all kinds of snacks and crap up front, as if no one can stop in for some horse feed or stove pellets without suddenly feeling faint from hunger

    Snacks and candy at checkout registers are called "impulse items" and have a high markup.

    Replies: @Charon

    Have you ever shopped for food in the ghetto? That’s nearly all those people buy. Junk food in convenience sizes, at ridiculous prices. Good thing that even back then (many years ago) I had the sense not to suggest smarter, more economic, and healthier choices.

    Their endless health issues are the result of systemic racism.

  90. @Rob
    @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    I could see the shutters causing the company some trouble in future peaceful protest extracurriculars. Let’s say a protest starts, and gets the local ne’er do wells out in force.

    Does the store close and lock down immediately? That sounds like they think any congregation of blacks protesting injustice will turn into looting. So, the only reason to lockdown is racism. So they stay open.

    Then a few ne’er do wells begin peacefully looting. Then they can lock down, right? Well, there are legitimate customers in the store, and they get locked in with rioters? For how long? Until the police arrive? Police don’t try to control looters in blue cities. They are going to be locked up, innocents and looters both, for a very long time, and eventually, the police come in force? Sounds dangerous for those black bodies. Locking down with only a few looters in the store is racist.

    So locking down when the store is full of looters is ok, right? Well, no. First, who locks down the store? Is it done remotely? Then people not in any way part of the community are judging blacks? I’m actually not so sure what about specifically remote lockdown is racist, but I’m sure it is particularly racist in its own way. But employees in the store can lock it down, right? Whoa Nelly! You expect (black or brown) employees to stay during looting, and then lock themselves in with a bunch of soon to be very angry looters? Sounds pretty racist.

    The typical police response to large-scale civil unrest in blue cities is staying out of the way. They wait for the rioters to get tired, go home, and pretend to be only moderately vile people so whites don’t lock them in cages. The police do not want to deal with a hundred(? More?) looters all locked up together. That is hazardous clump of near-humans. The police will only deal with that with overwhelming force. Very dangerous for black bodies, and the racist Target corporation racistly imprisoned them for the cops to racially brutalize. Sounds even more racist than preemptive lockdown and lockdown with a few looters in the store.

    Maybe the store manager doesn’t see things that way, but the media will paint the store’s employees and managers in the worst light.

    Let’s say the store manager panics at the first signs of FloydFest, and locks down. That’s sadist for reasons stated above. Furthermore, let’s say this protest had no associated looting or rioting. Back to the racistly assuming blacks will misbehave, this time with actual evidence that blacks did not misbehave. What is that? You know it’s racism.

    Some of the stuff in the article, like asking residents what they wanted from a store, and plans to stock inventory of things the customers want to buy seems like standard marketing research, and I’m surprised they didn’t do that sort of thing before moving into a new market. They should have someone at corporate who has a database of stores, surrounding ethnic groups etc. and automatically stock Somali-style spices and food when their store is surrounded by Somalis. Obviously I think we there should only be Somalis living around Targets when the Target is located in Somalia, but that ship seems to have sailed (to America with an endless horde of aliens), and smart companies know something about their customers.

    I’d say that what this article says about Target’s corporate style means this might be a good uptime to short Target stock.

    Replies: @Neuday

    Similar to an Amber Alert for a missing child, we need a Floyd Alert to be broadcast whenever a Black has been subjected to an unwanted arrest so stores such as Target can close the shutters in protest against the police. Simply paint “BLM” or similar nonsense on the exterior shutters.

  91. @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    Paragraph after paragraph of black community relations Ba and then they sneak this in there:
    “ It also added shutters to the store that can come down in case of future emergencies.”
    Almost certainly better cameras, as well

    Replies: @Rob, @Stan Adams, @Anon

    Almost certainly better cameras, as well

    What good are cameras if the authorities won’t prosecute?

    We already have clear footage of the looting that took place in May:

    [MORE]

  92. @PiltdownMan
    @Lurker

    They were post-doctoral students. I'm not sure what the visa categories were in 1964, before Hart-Celler, but it is reasonable to assume that they were not US permanent residents, but rather, on some kind of academic or post-graduate "practical training" work visa.

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @c matt

    I guess it all depends on how the SCOTUS would interpret “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Clearly, anyone whose parents were here illegally would not qualify; a permanent resident seems would qualify; someone here legally but temporarily – who knows.

  93. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot

    Hey Lot, that may be more comprehensive an article, but a lady going by the pen name of "Angie Saxon" published 2 pretty good articles on Mrs. Harris' background on VDare:

    Kamala Harris: Racism Begins At Home

    and

    Kamala Harris: Working Girl Makes Good

    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

    You can see a bit of similarity between Gopalan and Stanley Ann Dunham, though the former has a stronger claim to hoity-toity lineage and other successful-seeming children. It’s almost as if this type of woman crops up in several different places and races through the industrialized world.

    Of course the key similarity is by the time her kid’s political career took off neither of the parody-matriarchs was around to appreciate/meddle in it.

    In the alternative universe Barry Soetero and Kammy Gopalan would be unlikely to attain much fame in their bourgeois lib circles, let alone awesome power over other bourgeois libs.

  94. @BenKenobi
    @Achmed E. Newman


    to go back to the library
     
    You know torrents are a thing, right?

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Achmed E. Newman

    OK.ru is an even thingier thing.

    The other day I had a perverse impulse to watch the disastrous-yet-oddly-compelling 1970 movie adaptation of Gore Vidal’s Myra Breckinridge. OK had the whole movie.

    [MORE]
    • Replies: @anon
    @Stan Adams

    The other day I had a perverse impulse to watch the disastrous-yet-oddly-compelling 1970 movie adaptation of Gore Vidal’s Myra Breckinridge.

    Why?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  95. @AKAHorace
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Is African American food particularly spicy ? I thought that the idea of white people eating bland food compared to blacks was an outdated stereotype.

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles, @Another Canadian, @S. Anonyia, @Jack D

    Not spicy, more salty. They love seasoning salt but there’s nothing remotely spicy about it. Just a bit tangy and weird.

  96. @George Taylor
    Hopefully the spices are conveniently located near the entrance, without video surveillance and or security guards. We must have 100% appeasement.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Richard B

    “It’s not going to heal the African-American community by having buildings,” said Majors, who is Black. “It’s a different kind of healing that you have to do for systemic racism.”

    That 100% appeasement has something to do with cash on demand and without limit.

  97. @Chrisnonymous
    @Twinkie

    Can confirm. I lived in Silver Springs briefly, and used to eat in a BBQ chicken restaurant on Sunday afternoons. All black (except me) and everything dripping with a sweetened sauce. Delicious, in its way...

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @bruce county

    I’ve eaten black cooking a few times and found it gross. Greasy and tasteless. I think I enjoyed British cuisine more.

    But, there’s likely good black dishes out there and I’m not so old as to turn my nose up at something new. Anybody got a decent recipe to clean out some of my systemic prejudices?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @stillCARealist

    still CA, years ago when I had a job in an affirmative action program I was the only White and we had three secretaries. They used to eat Argo starch, right from the box. Never figured that out and on Fridays we would share a bottle of Cutty, but all blacks drank theirs in a glass of milk with ice.

    Replies: @Jack D

  98. @BenKenobi
    @Achmed E. Newman


    to go back to the library
     
    You know torrents are a thing, right?

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Achmed E. Newman

    I know it’s a thing, Ben, but I will never run out of movies from the library anyway. Thanks, though.

  99. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    never buy pre-ground spices
     
    Very SWPL of you.

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store
     
    Yes, but then I’d have to deal with Indians, and FOB ones at that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anon

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist. Maybe grinding your own spices is very SWPL (they had mortars and pestles in the Old Country too) but buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy so I’ll take SWPL.

    BTW, old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food – there was some kind of belief that spicy foods were sexually stimulating (and that was a bad thing). In the Settlement Houses where they taught immigrant women how to run an American kitchen, they tried to get people to cut out the garlic and pickles and so on. (They would have fainted if there had been Korean immigrants in those days.) I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking and it gives a sub-recipe for Italian meatballs. You start with the recipe for German Meatballs which they have just given at length and then in order to turn them into the exotic Italian Meatballs you omit a couple of things and you add 1/2 tsp. of oregano and ONE HALF of a clove of garlic (what are you supposed to do with the other half?). I suppose using the whole clove (this is a recipe for 4-6 people) might kill you.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn’t have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores. Might as well reap some benefit from them. BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Jack D


    buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy
     
    You know they sell whole spices in the little tin cans as well.

    old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food

     

    This is a classic line of bullshit. Prior to corporate franken-food, American food was quite delicious. Was it "bland"? Well ok, it wasn't hiding the flavor with loads of cumin or red pepper flakes, because it didn't have to. Proper fresh food properly cooked requires little more than salt and pepper to be delicious. Meat was also much more flavorful in the past and of better quality. But that's what happens when you have way too many people.

    The "American food was bland" schtick is just more ethnic chauvinism. Shocking coming from you, gosh.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn’t have millions of dot Indians over here

     

    "Maybe"

    one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores
     
    All the spice stores combined don't even make up for Saira Rao, much less the millions of others. And you can buy "inexpensive high quality spices" on line.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Stan Adams
    @Jack D


    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     
    Dude, white people are the least racist people on earth. Every other group hates every other group.

    Koreans hate Indians; Indians hate Koreans; both groups hate whites. Only GoodWhites(TM) are stupid enough to proclaim their unreciprocated love for alien races. Even most BadWhites blush at making open displays of racial animosity. Asians feel no such shame.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn’t have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores.
     
    Oh, I get it. You're doing a parody of the standard pro-immigrant argument.

    "Sure, it sucks that we're turning our country into a Third World craphole, but, hey, doesn't that curry smell wonderful? It almost drowns out the aroma of the mountains of shit and rivers of piss in the streets!"

    Carry on.

    Replies: @Charon, @Twinkie

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Jack D

    Old times Americans did not have a fear of non-bland foods, it was simply expensive, plus there wasn’t really a “foodie” culture like there is now.

    Did tourists to New Orleans in the 1950s only seek out steak and potato joints? I don’t think so. The local cuisine was savored.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, years ago when I visited "The Root" website, all things black and racist. They went on and on because a magazine published a receipe with the typo, "add a teaspoon of fresh ground black people." Why would you do that? Everyone knows even a pinch of black people spoils anything.

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     
    1. Explain the preamble.

    2. To me, racist is treating individuals differently based on perceived group differences. I do no such thing. If you are a good guy, I treat you as such, whatever the race. If you are a disingenuous huckster, I treat you appropriately. That’s separate from observable group differences, which I presume we are all here to discuss, what with the subtitle of this blog being “HBD” and all.

    BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.
     
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2816a3fb8063b5f5816e561b0303bea4.webp

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/hispasn.png

    https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2012/07/overview3.png

    Jews have more in common politically and economically with Indians than Koreans in America (Indians are also non-Christian, as Jews are). I can’t say whether that’s why you seem to prefer Indians over Koreans (since I don’t know you for real), but you do seem to write more positively of Indians frequently here.
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Plants produce 'spicy' chemicals to repel insects. The hotter the country, the more insects abound, the 'spicier' the local plant life -- and the local cuisine.

  100. @Lurker
    @Lot

    Were the Hindu Dindu's parents actually US citizens or merely resident when she was born?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Alden

    Proper visa legal residents and FYI, the question was settled in the Supreme Court findings and rulings in the 1890s, US vs Tin. Persons born of legal US residents regardless of type of visa are indeed natural born citizens. Or illegal residents and tourists and even a Mexican over in the US side for a couple days. The only exception in the 14 th amendment was children born of foreign diplomats. As you should and probably do know.

    Subsequent federal court cases always upheld the Tin case ruling. The Tin case ruling was nothing new. Previous cases precedents etc always held to the 14th amendment “ all persons born in the USA are natural born citizens”

    Even babies born on the San Diego beach and 2 yards on the American side of the Mexico or Canada borders are considered natural born citizens as you well know.

    Even in colonial times, persons born in the American colonies, even children born of British colonial administrators and military were considered “ Americans”. Hamilton was sometimes derided as an “ immigrant” by his enemies.

    At the time of 14th amendment and Tin case, there was no such thing as student visas.

  101. @AKAHorace
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Is African American food particularly spicy ? I thought that the idea of white people eating bland food compared to blacks was an outdated stereotype.

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles, @Another Canadian, @S. Anonyia, @Jack D

    I think you are right and that this is outdated because black food (which was really mainly Southern food) has not really evolved but whites have embraced all sorts of exotic and spicy foods. Hillary thought (in a condescending way, naturally) that she could show that she was down with blacks by carrying a bottle of Tabasco sauce in her purse but there are lots of whites now that could have a long discussion with you about Scoville units and ghost peppers vs. Habaneros, etc. and Tabasco is literally considered to be weak sauce.

    There are a lot of things like that – blacks were known for their love of Colt 45 which back in the day of 4% ABV Coors Light was considered to pack quite a punch at a whopping 5.6%, but the IPAs that you can buy by the growler at your local brewpub (and a growler is bigger than a Foty) can run north of 10% ABV.

  102. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bubba

    Good point, Bubba. I don't think "nutmeg" and "black people" go together, at least not in my mind. Incense is for white New Age chicks like Mary Moon. Black people only burn it to mask the smell of their dope.. an idea that they appropriated from White people anyway.

    Replies: @Alden

    Caribbean jerk chicken has a lot of nutmeg and cloves. It’s just an old British grilled chicken recipe. Sweet potato and pecan pie have nutmeg. Blacks love gravy. A tiny bit of nutmeg in gravy adds a lot of delicious ness to beef and turkey gravy.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  103. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist. Maybe grinding your own spices is very SWPL (they had mortars and pestles in the Old Country too) but buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy so I'll take SWPL.

    BTW, old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food - there was some kind of belief that spicy foods were sexually stimulating (and that was a bad thing). In the Settlement Houses where they taught immigrant women how to run an American kitchen, they tried to get people to cut out the garlic and pickles and so on. (They would have fainted if there had been Korean immigrants in those days.) I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking and it gives a sub-recipe for Italian meatballs. You start with the recipe for German Meatballs which they have just given at length and then in order to turn them into the exotic Italian Meatballs you omit a couple of things and you add 1/2 tsp. of oregano and ONE HALF of a clove of garlic (what are you supposed to do with the other half?). I suppose using the whole clove (this is a recipe for 4-6 people) might kill you.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn't have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores. Might as well reap some benefit from them. BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    Replies: @peterike, @Stan Adams, @S. Anonyia, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy

    You know they sell whole spices in the little tin cans as well.

    old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food

    This is a classic line of bullshit. Prior to corporate franken-food, American food was quite delicious. Was it “bland”? Well ok, it wasn’t hiding the flavor with loads of cumin or red pepper flakes, because it didn’t have to. Proper fresh food properly cooked requires little more than salt and pepper to be delicious. Meat was also much more flavorful in the past and of better quality. But that’s what happens when you have way too many people.

    The “American food was bland” schtick is just more ethnic chauvinism. Shocking coming from you, gosh.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn’t have millions of dot Indians over here

    “Maybe”

    one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores

    All the spice stores combined don’t even make up for Saira Rao, much less the millions of others. And you can buy “inexpensive high quality spices” on line.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @peterike


    This is a classic line of bullshit. Prior to corporate franken-food, American food was quite delicious. Was it “bland”? Well ok, it wasn’t hiding the flavor with loads of cumin or red pepper flakes, because it didn’t have to. Proper fresh food properly cooked requires little more than salt and pepper to be delicious. Meat was also much more flavorful in the past and of better quality. But that’s what happens when you have way too many people.
     
    My in-laws are involved in agriculture (and I even did some farmland-management for them at one point), and when I was first introduced to farm-fresh produce through them, it was an eye-opening experience.

    It's not just "too many people" - the United States is also a continent-sized country with a high degree of population dispersal. And that means food is cultivated for 1) longevity during transport and display and 2) appearance in display. In other countries/cultures, esp. those less private car-centric, where people routinely shop for groceries everyday, produce tends to be optimized for taste.

    The first time I had farm-fresh blackberries, I was kinda angry - that I had been buying grossly overpriced bitter blackberries at grocery stores. The farm-fresh blackberries were incomparably sweeter and more delicious.

    In any case, you are absolutely right that traditionally-produced meats, vegetables, and crops tend to have superior taste. My wife has a relative who grows heritage cows and pigs in the Midwest and they are incredibly delicious.

    As much as I love spices, my take on spices is the same as my take on makeup for women - less is more. Spicing should be done subtly to emphasize and enhance the flavor of the main ingredients. If you douse food with spices, you are hiding something.
  104. @Ano
    Dear Mr Sailer,

    We see you have noticed (in your Saileresque way) our new purchasing policy!

    Yes, going forward, our shelves shall be 100% stocked with stuff appealing to precisely 0% of ghetto negro 100% non-paying 'customers'.

    This way we will free ourselves 100% from the systemic shoplifter and the systemic looter customer-base.

    Feel free to shop safely and pleasantly in one of our ghetto-negro-free stores! (It will be like going to Malibu!)

    Feel free to browse our aisles of health foods; staid restrained tasteful fashion lines; sensible business/work shoes; our selection of Wipipo Music (Perry Como on special this week only!!); and, of course, our book department, with a section dedicated to Golf Course Clubhouse Architectural Styles.

    We look forward to your paying (how racist is that!!!) custom!

    Yours,

    Target (now to be pronounced nice-white-lady-style: Tar-zhay)

    Replies: @botazefa

    I think misattributed the letter.

    It should be signed by Whole Foods 👍

  105. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist. Maybe grinding your own spices is very SWPL (they had mortars and pestles in the Old Country too) but buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy so I'll take SWPL.

    BTW, old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food - there was some kind of belief that spicy foods were sexually stimulating (and that was a bad thing). In the Settlement Houses where they taught immigrant women how to run an American kitchen, they tried to get people to cut out the garlic and pickles and so on. (They would have fainted if there had been Korean immigrants in those days.) I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking and it gives a sub-recipe for Italian meatballs. You start with the recipe for German Meatballs which they have just given at length and then in order to turn them into the exotic Italian Meatballs you omit a couple of things and you add 1/2 tsp. of oregano and ONE HALF of a clove of garlic (what are you supposed to do with the other half?). I suppose using the whole clove (this is a recipe for 4-6 people) might kill you.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn't have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores. Might as well reap some benefit from them. BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    Replies: @peterike, @Stan Adams, @S. Anonyia, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.

    Dude, white people are the least racist people on earth. Every other group hates every other group.

    Koreans hate Indians; Indians hate Koreans; both groups hate whites. Only GoodWhites(TM) are stupid enough to proclaim their unreciprocated love for alien races. Even most BadWhites blush at making open displays of racial animosity. Asians feel no such shame.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn’t have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores.

    Oh, I get it. You’re doing a parody of the standard pro-immigrant argument.

    “Sure, it sucks that we’re turning our country into a Third World craphole, but, hey, doesn’t that curry smell wonderful? It almost drowns out the aroma of the mountains of shit and rivers of piss in the streets!”

    Carry on.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Stan Adams


    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     
    Agreed, Stan: white people are not only the least racist people on earth, they're the least racist by far. And in case it weren't obvious how foolhardy that was, white people turbocharge it by being racist against their own people. Something no other people on earth are stupid enough to do.

    Why? Chiefly because they've been getting inundated with messages like this from the (mass media)--for decades now:


    https://www.unz.com/isteve/conference-on-cancel-culture-canceled/#comment-4279473

    , @Twinkie
    @Stan Adams


    Koreans hate Indians; Indians hate Koreans; both groups hate whites.
     
    Koreans don’t hate whites. American-born Koreans of both sexes have the highest intermarriage rates to whites. Indians have the lowest or the second lowest.

    Only GoodWhites(TM) are stupid enough to proclaim their unreciprocated love for alien races. Even most BadWhites blush at making open displays of racial animosity.
     
    GoodWhite anti-racism is display-only, aka stated preferences. Revealed preferences (patterns of housing, marriage, etc.) say otherwise.

    Asians feel no such shame.
     
    Maybe they are more honest/less politically correct on race and think it’s stupid to hide views on race that are objectively observable.
  106. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist. Maybe grinding your own spices is very SWPL (they had mortars and pestles in the Old Country too) but buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy so I'll take SWPL.

    BTW, old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food - there was some kind of belief that spicy foods were sexually stimulating (and that was a bad thing). In the Settlement Houses where they taught immigrant women how to run an American kitchen, they tried to get people to cut out the garlic and pickles and so on. (They would have fainted if there had been Korean immigrants in those days.) I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking and it gives a sub-recipe for Italian meatballs. You start with the recipe for German Meatballs which they have just given at length and then in order to turn them into the exotic Italian Meatballs you omit a couple of things and you add 1/2 tsp. of oregano and ONE HALF of a clove of garlic (what are you supposed to do with the other half?). I suppose using the whole clove (this is a recipe for 4-6 people) might kill you.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn't have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores. Might as well reap some benefit from them. BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    Replies: @peterike, @Stan Adams, @S. Anonyia, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    Old times Americans did not have a fear of non-bland foods, it was simply expensive, plus there wasn’t really a “foodie” culture like there is now.

    Did tourists to New Orleans in the 1950s only seek out steak and potato joints? I don’t think so. The local cuisine was savored.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @S. Anonyia

    Louisiana with its French culture was sort of an exception. You needed to mention NOLA because it would have been hard to think of another city in the 1950s (aside from NY) that could have been said to have a "restaurant scene". The way things are going, we are going to come full circle.

    Replies: @Alden, @S. Anonyia

  107. @Mr. Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    At the very same time as all this stuff you are know using for your blog, I was schtupping with the divorcée of a Soloman Brothers indexer nerd from Princeton and driving his old 7-Series into Manhattan on dates.
     
    They say that buying second hand is always a better value.

    I hear they say that about cars too.

    Replies: @znon, @JohnnyWalker123

    When buying second hand, make sure you check the oil often.

  108. @Anon
    Target will sell a steeply discounted combo-pack of parsley, sage, rosemary & thyme. The Simon & Garfunkel CD of that song, featuring that famous spice lyric, will be sold (at cost, or even free) adjacent to the spices. Blacks will figure they are basically stealing the cheap CD, so they’ll grab it. Well, next thing you know, they are listening to Simon and Garfunkel, instead of rap music, and are acquiring the soulful peaceability of the former. Thus, for them, no more looting. That’s the Target plan.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Is listening to music on obsolete media a thing among blacks? Vinyl might have a certain cachet, but does anyone still listen to CDs?

    An acquaintance of mine used to give out custom music mixes at Christmastime. She had to stop a few years ago because no one in her circle of friends and relatives had a CD player anymore.

  109. @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Do we really need another foreigner from a broken home as President? We just tried that, seems like a few short years ago!
     
    And one with no children, and probably no real religious beliefs. People in government should have children, so they have a clear, tangible stake in the future. And they should sincerely believe in God - in something higher than themselves. Those aren't sufficient conditions, but they are necessary ones.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Macumazahn

    “People in government should … sincerely believe in God”
    On the contrary. They should be rational people who do not embrace primitive superstitions like religion – just as they should reject modern superstitions like egalitarianism.

  110. blacks were known for their love of Colt 45 which back in the day of 4% ABV Coors Light was considered to pack quite a punch at a whopping 5.6%, but the IPAs that you can buy by the growler at your local brewpub (and a growler is bigger than a Foty) can run north of 10% ABV.

    Really? I did not know that. Personally, I’m partial to Steel Reserve (8.1%). More than once I’ve been greeted by a brutha who spotted it in my shopping cart with friendly & enthusiastic words.

  111. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    BTW, who buys spices at Target?
     
    The Targets around here have large grocery departments in addition to the usual clothing, cosmetics, housewares, electronics, etc. Not quite as comprehensive as a Walmart Supercenter but close. If you were so inclined you could do all of your grocery shopping (including spice buying) at one of these stores.

    I've noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I'm not really sure what that's about but it's a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you'll know that it's REALLY a thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @prosa123, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Stan d Mute

    I’ve noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I’m not really sure what that’s about but it’s a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you’ll know that it’s REALLY a thing.

    It’s a hedge against pandemic-related business shutdowns. If a retailer sells food, it’s an essential business.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke

    I think this trend predates the pandemic. I think the mention of accepting food stamps was a clue. Americans might or might not have disposable income to buy other stuff, but the EBT card always works so if you sell food in your store you have at least some guaranteed volume. And everybody eats.

  112. @Chrisnonymous
    @Twinkie

    Can confirm. I lived in Silver Springs briefly, and used to eat in a BBQ chicken restaurant on Sunday afternoons. All black (except me) and everything dripping with a sweetened sauce. Delicious, in its way...

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @bruce county

    All black (except me)

    Weren’t you a brave sort.
    I would guess the kitchen staff were black as well.
    Even braver to eat what they handled/cooked.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @bruce county

    Yes. (1) I was much younger--both foolish about blacks and with the physical confidence of a young muscular athlete--but also the area where I lived was "black upscale". (2) The restaurant was a buffet-style, where everything was laid out in front of you, and you asked the staff to put this or that on your plate. So, no chance of shenanigans.

    The macaroni and cheese from that place was great.

  113. @Stan Adams
    @Jack D


    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     
    Dude, white people are the least racist people on earth. Every other group hates every other group.

    Koreans hate Indians; Indians hate Koreans; both groups hate whites. Only GoodWhites(TM) are stupid enough to proclaim their unreciprocated love for alien races. Even most BadWhites blush at making open displays of racial animosity. Asians feel no such shame.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn’t have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores.
     
    Oh, I get it. You're doing a parody of the standard pro-immigrant argument.

    "Sure, it sucks that we're turning our country into a Third World craphole, but, hey, doesn't that curry smell wonderful? It almost drowns out the aroma of the mountains of shit and rivers of piss in the streets!"

    Carry on.

    Replies: @Charon, @Twinkie

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.

    Agreed, Stan: white people are not only the least racist people on earth, they’re the least racist by far. And in case it weren’t obvious how foolhardy that was, white people turbocharge it by being racist against their own people. Something no other people on earth are stupid enough to do.

    Why? Chiefly because they’ve been getting inundated with messages like this from the (mass media)–for decades now:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/conference-on-cancel-culture-canceled/#comment-4279473

  114. @Stan Adams
    @BenKenobi

    OK.ru is an even thingier thing.

    The other day I had a perverse impulse to watch the disastrous-yet-oddly-compelling 1970 movie adaptation of Gore Vidal's Myra Breckinridge. OK had the whole movie.



    Dune (1984):
    https://ok.ru/video/927366580783

    Myra Breckinridge (1970):
    https://ok.ru/video/982692858370

    Replies: @anon

    The other day I had a perverse impulse to watch the disastrous-yet-oddly-compelling 1970 movie adaptation of Gore Vidal’s Myra Breckinridge.

    Why?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @anon

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pboh1SFk6TM

    Because I'm weird.

  115. @anon
    @Stan Adams

    The other day I had a perverse impulse to watch the disastrous-yet-oddly-compelling 1970 movie adaptation of Gore Vidal’s Myra Breckinridge.

    Why?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Because I’m weird.

  116. I saw a video of the post looting interior of Target. In the produce department all the shelves with veggies were untouched but there were lots of smashed watermelons on the floor.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Dan Smith

    There are tons of great videos of the looting in progress too but YouTube generally deletes them asap.

    Oddly enough, they take them down for the exact same reason that BART gives for declining to supply information about crime on the transit system.

  117. @stillCARealist
    @Chrisnonymous

    I've eaten black cooking a few times and found it gross. Greasy and tasteless. I think I enjoyed British cuisine more.

    But, there's likely good black dishes out there and I'm not so old as to turn my nose up at something new. Anybody got a decent recipe to clean out some of my systemic prejudices?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    still CA, years ago when I had a job in an affirmative action program I was the only White and we had three secretaries. They used to eat Argo starch, right from the box. Never figured that out and on Fridays we would share a bottle of Cutty, but all blacks drank theirs in a glass of milk with ice.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    Eating starch was a an improvement on eating dirt (I kid you not), which is another old-timey black custom.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/29/nyregion/jamaica-journal-old-fashioned-country-doctor-finishes-his-last-rounds-big-city.html#:~:text=Eating%20the%20starch%20was%20a,had%20the%20same%20gritty%20texture.

    (Jamaica here refers to the black section of Queens, NY, not the tropical island)

    https://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/13/us/southern-practice-of-eating-dirt-shows-signs-of-waning.html

    Replies: @Alden

  118. @Charon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Target was indeed once appealing to white shoppers, but I can barely remember back that far.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Target was indeed once appealing to white shoppers, but I can barely remember back that far.

    It still is in our area. Aldi is okay or awful, depending on where. Ours has Danish butter cookie coffee “creamer’, which would almost make up for WWII if it used real cream instead of sunflower oil.

    The local Walmarts sell hunting weapons, but the council in our old city refused them a building permit until they agreed not to. (They didn’t even build, just took over a former Kmart*.)

    It’s like public transportation. It’s usually pleasant in Asia or off-the-beaten-path Europe. But rarely in cities where it is both run and used by those with ” diverse” standards.

    *Both chains have dropped their hyphens, but Amazon’s Kindle re-inserts one into “Wal-Mart”– just like that! Why is Jeff Besos [sic] doing this?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar


    The local Walmarts sell hunting weapons, but the council in our old city refused them a building permit until they agreed not to.
     
    After the Summer of George, it should be obvious why the council doesn't want them to stock guns.
  119. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store where for the same of money as you'd pay for a little jar of McCormick spice that you need a microscope to see, they will sell you a whole bag full of the same spice and it will be fresher too (BTW, never buy pre-ground spices). The amount in one of those little microscopic McCormick jars would be enough to make 1 Indian meal, if that. They would laugh at the quantity in those little jars. Are they meant for doll houses or what?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie, @Captain Tripps, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store

    No. Go to an H-Mart or Lotte Plaza; most of them have that Indian (and Latin) spice section anyway; plus, really good produce.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Captain Tripps


    No. Go to an H-Mart or Lotte Plaza; most of them have that Indian (and Latin) spice section anyway; plus, really good produce.
     
    I don’t know where you live, but where I live, those Korean grocery chains are overrun with Indians.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Captain Tripps

  120. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist. Maybe grinding your own spices is very SWPL (they had mortars and pestles in the Old Country too) but buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy so I'll take SWPL.

    BTW, old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food - there was some kind of belief that spicy foods were sexually stimulating (and that was a bad thing). In the Settlement Houses where they taught immigrant women how to run an American kitchen, they tried to get people to cut out the garlic and pickles and so on. (They would have fainted if there had been Korean immigrants in those days.) I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking and it gives a sub-recipe for Italian meatballs. You start with the recipe for German Meatballs which they have just given at length and then in order to turn them into the exotic Italian Meatballs you omit a couple of things and you add 1/2 tsp. of oregano and ONE HALF of a clove of garlic (what are you supposed to do with the other half?). I suppose using the whole clove (this is a recipe for 4-6 people) might kill you.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn't have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores. Might as well reap some benefit from them. BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    Replies: @peterike, @Stan Adams, @S. Anonyia, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    Jack, years ago when I visited “The Root” website, all things black and racist. They went on and on because a magazine published a receipe with the typo, “add a teaspoon of fresh ground black people.” Why would you do that? Everyone knows even a pinch of black people spoils anything.

    • LOL: Charon, Twinkie
  121. @Stan Adams
    @Jack D


    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     
    Dude, white people are the least racist people on earth. Every other group hates every other group.

    Koreans hate Indians; Indians hate Koreans; both groups hate whites. Only GoodWhites(TM) are stupid enough to proclaim their unreciprocated love for alien races. Even most BadWhites blush at making open displays of racial animosity. Asians feel no such shame.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn’t have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores.
     
    Oh, I get it. You're doing a parody of the standard pro-immigrant argument.

    "Sure, it sucks that we're turning our country into a Third World craphole, but, hey, doesn't that curry smell wonderful? It almost drowns out the aroma of the mountains of shit and rivers of piss in the streets!"

    Carry on.

    Replies: @Charon, @Twinkie

    Koreans hate Indians; Indians hate Koreans; both groups hate whites.

    Koreans don’t hate whites. American-born Koreans of both sexes have the highest intermarriage rates to whites. Indians have the lowest or the second lowest.

    Only GoodWhites(TM) are stupid enough to proclaim their unreciprocated love for alien races. Even most BadWhites blush at making open displays of racial animosity.

    GoodWhite anti-racism is display-only, aka stated preferences. Revealed preferences (patterns of housing, marriage, etc.) say otherwise.

    Asians feel no such shame.

    Maybe they are more honest/less politically correct on race and think it’s stupid to hide views on race that are objectively observable.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  122. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist. Maybe grinding your own spices is very SWPL (they had mortars and pestles in the Old Country too) but buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy so I'll take SWPL.

    BTW, old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food - there was some kind of belief that spicy foods were sexually stimulating (and that was a bad thing). In the Settlement Houses where they taught immigrant women how to run an American kitchen, they tried to get people to cut out the garlic and pickles and so on. (They would have fainted if there had been Korean immigrants in those days.) I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking and it gives a sub-recipe for Italian meatballs. You start with the recipe for German Meatballs which they have just given at length and then in order to turn them into the exotic Italian Meatballs you omit a couple of things and you add 1/2 tsp. of oregano and ONE HALF of a clove of garlic (what are you supposed to do with the other half?). I suppose using the whole clove (this is a recipe for 4-6 people) might kill you.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn't have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores. Might as well reap some benefit from them. BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    Replies: @peterike, @Stan Adams, @S. Anonyia, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.

    1. Explain the preamble.

    2. To me, racist is treating individuals differently based on perceived group differences. I do no such thing. If you are a good guy, I treat you as such, whatever the race. If you are a disingenuous huckster, I treat you appropriately. That’s separate from observable group differences, which I presume we are all here to discuss, what with the subtitle of this blog being “HBD” and all.

    BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    Jews have more in common politically and economically with Indians than Koreans in America (Indians are also non-Christian, as Jews are). I can’t say whether that’s why you seem to prefer Indians over Koreans (since I don’t know you for real), but you do seem to write more positively of Indians frequently here.

  123. @Captain Tripps
    @Jack D


    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store
     
    No. Go to an H-Mart or Lotte Plaza; most of them have that Indian (and Latin) spice section anyway; plus, really good produce.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    No. Go to an H-Mart or Lotte Plaza; most of them have that Indian (and Latin) spice section anyway; plus, really good produce.

    I don’t know where you live, but where I live, those Korean grocery chains are overrun with Indians.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    In the greater SeaTac area, the Korean and Indian groceries are pretty segregated, geographically, socially, and in the food they offer. The Indian groceries are clustered around Redmond and Bellevue. The Koreans have their enclaves, particularly Federal Way, but their groceries are more spread out through the region, and you are more likely to have to travel away from the Sea/Bel/Red core to get to them. I've never seen Indian food in one of them, though I'm not the type to pay attention closely to my surroundings-Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese stuff is on offer, though.

    One non-subtle clue that does reflect the differing circumstances of the immigration waves that you'll find affordable Korean and Vietnamese groceries in de-industralized places around Tacoma, especially near McChord where a lot of retired servicemen settled down on top of the diaspora. Plus churches, food joints, salons, what have you... smaller cluster in Bremerton, too. I don't know if you were ever stationed in the area, so for all I know, I'm telling you stuff you already know, but I'd hazard that scale of difference between the immigration waves + SeaTac's geography inhibits cross-mixing between the different immigrant stores, if not the native American clientele. Other metro areas might work differently, especially ones not so oriented around tech.

    (The Vietnamese, by contrast, have their big cluster in the city proper. Dunno why, perhaps because the Vietnamese on top of being refugees were largely peasants, as opposed to lower-middle class types chased away by industralization? Maybe that doesn't matter at all, I'm just floating random ideas while trying not to crave alcohol...

    Lucky for them they began to grab property before Seattle became San Francisco North, I suppose, or they'd be competing with Somalis for free housing now.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Captain Tripps
    @Twinkie

    I live in the vicinity of the Imperial capital/Freddy Gray-town. The H-Mart and Lotte are in heavily Kor-Am areas, but there are a decent number of Sub-Cons as well. Interestingly, most of the stockers are Latin.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  124. @The Alarmist
    They’re just trying to curry favour with Kamala.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The Alarmist:

    They’re just trying to curry favour with Kamala.

    Thanks, he’ll be here all week. Try the curry nutmeg chitlins

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I'm not trying to sound obnoxious, I'm really not, but this whole subject kind of elucidates how parodyable our times have become.

  125. Anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    Paragraph after paragraph of black community relations Ba and then they sneak this in there:
    “ It also added shutters to the store that can come down in case of future emergencies.”
    Almost certainly better cameras, as well

    Replies: @Rob, @Stan Adams, @Anon

    The city of Minneapolis has barred security shutters on building exteriors since 2004.

    Maybe there is a type of shutter that doesn’t violate the law?

    Minneapolis limits security shutters to the inside of a property, leaving windows vulnerable to attack.

    O.K. But Targets generally have no windows, just glass doors. Will they put shutters inside the doors?

    In a report justifying the rule change, Minneapolis officials argued that external shutters “cause visual blight” and create the [accurate] impression that an area is “unsafe” and “troublesome.”

    Also, the impression is create that black people live in the community. White people, keep driving, there is another Target over the way.

    https://www.startribune.com/mpls-business-owners-wanting-to-protect-their-windows-after-riots-face-obstacle/572206032/

  126. @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    I’ve noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too.
     
    I believe most gas stations, and perhaps even dollar stores now, accept EBT cards. As to the drug stores, maybe they're catering to old people, who are often in there to pick up medications, and might want to get some milk and TV dinners too. I don't know. It is, as you say, an interesting trend.

    Replies: @Alden

    My local CVS, every time I go there more shelves are devoted to food. They have bacon and canned hams but no other meat or any produce. But all sorts of staples canned food, eggs milk ice cream etc. it started with a case of sandwiches and salads and has become a half grocery half drugstore.store I’m sure the only reason it hasn’t expanded to produce and fresh meat is government food regulations.

    Art supply stores don’t have potato chips as yet. Michael’s yarn and craft stores do. So do thrift shops. Borders book stores had shelves and shelves of candy and cookies. No wonder we’re so fat.

    Gas stations used to sell oil, battery jump cables and other useful car car items. Now potato chips and candy.

    There’s a Target near me with a big food section. Prices about 1/3 lower than the expensive grocery chain next door. Don’t buy meat at Target. It’s injected with lots of water, probably the maximum amount allowed by law.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Alden


    Gas stations used to sell oil, battery jump cables and other useful car car items. Now potato chips and candy.
     
    Gas stations make maybe $0.04 a gallon on gas. Hard to pay the rent with that.

    Replies: @Alden

  127. @RoatanBill
    @ThreeCranes

    I read recently that the 3rd drug store of a particular brand, I forget which, is closing in San Francisco. The looting, condoned by the local 'law', makes it impossible to run the stores at a profit.

    Should the entire country get with the same program, the looting will be without precedent, at least for a few weeks or possibly, months. In the end, every entity needs a profit to keep operating.

    That the Fed Gov can generate unlimited amounts of paper currency is a proven fact. What is also a proven fact is that the US Dollar is steadily losing its purchasing power over time. Handing currency to people for free will simply accelerate the destruction of the currency's perceived value. It will be looting with currency changing hands to provide the appearance of commerce happening. Profit must be measured in increased value, not just increased currency units of steadily decreasing value.

    That the insanity of UBI, MMT, negative interest rates and other crackpot economics ideas will be tried is a given. All gov'ts try to maintain their power at all cost and we're at the end of the US empire's 15 minutes of fame.

    I fully expect a Weimar situation soon. First will come deflation in things like houses, vehicles, etc as people need to extract currency units from their possessions to survive. Next will come massive price inflation for food and life's staples just at a time when the Grand Solar Minimum is getting started.

    Replies: @Alden

    I looked up your island ,Roatan. Seems a nice place, part of Honduras. Maybe I’ll send some scuba divers and sailor tourists. They’re always looking for new islands.

  128. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    The garlic paste alone justifies the trip, it's infinitely superior to any other garlic paste you can get; Trader Joe's is shockingly disappointing.
    You can use a coffee grinder as a spice grinder given redundancy and dedication -- you don't want to go back and forth between coffee and anything else.

    Replies: @Glt

    The Trader Joe’s spice or salt containers with built in grinders work well for reuse

  129. @Neoconned
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There's an old phrase "....the hotter they are the crazier they are....."

    Thats why i mess around in the 6 to 8 range these days. I don't have the nerves for a 10 or even a 9 and all their drama bullsh--

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @nebulafox

    I thought you said you were married and had a kid.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Jim Don Bob

    I am.

    My wife is in that 6 to 8 range.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  130. @George Taylor
    Hopefully the spices are conveniently located near the entrance, without video surveillance and or security guards. We must have 100% appeasement.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Richard B

    We must have 100% appeasement.

    Enough to make one long for the likes of Hugh Addonizio and Anthony Imperiale. Remember those guys? Didn’t one of them drive a tank down the streets of Newark during the 1967 riots?

    Bet you’ll never guess how that riot got started. Even Wiki referred to the “Inciting Indicdent” as a “rumor.” Guess that’s all you need.

  131. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    I’ve noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I’m not really sure what that’s about but it’s a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you’ll know that it’s REALLY a thing.
     
    It's a hedge against pandemic-related business shutdowns. If a retailer sells food, it's an essential business.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think this trend predates the pandemic. I think the mention of accepting food stamps was a clue. Americans might or might not have disposable income to buy other stuff, but the EBT card always works so if you sell food in your store you have at least some guaranteed volume. And everybody eats.

  132. @Twinkie
    @Captain Tripps


    No. Go to an H-Mart or Lotte Plaza; most of them have that Indian (and Latin) spice section anyway; plus, really good produce.
     
    I don’t know where you live, but where I live, those Korean grocery chains are overrun with Indians.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Captain Tripps

    In the greater SeaTac area, the Korean and Indian groceries are pretty segregated, geographically, socially, and in the food they offer. The Indian groceries are clustered around Redmond and Bellevue. The Koreans have their enclaves, particularly Federal Way, but their groceries are more spread out through the region, and you are more likely to have to travel away from the Sea/Bel/Red core to get to them. I’ve never seen Indian food in one of them, though I’m not the type to pay attention closely to my surroundings-Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese stuff is on offer, though.

    One non-subtle clue that does reflect the differing circumstances of the immigration waves that you’ll find affordable Korean and Vietnamese groceries in de-industralized places around Tacoma, especially near McChord where a lot of retired servicemen settled down on top of the diaspora. Plus churches, food joints, salons, what have you… smaller cluster in Bremerton, too. I don’t know if you were ever stationed in the area, so for all I know, I’m telling you stuff you already know, but I’d hazard that scale of difference between the immigration waves + SeaTac’s geography inhibits cross-mixing between the different immigrant stores, if not the native American clientele. Other metro areas might work differently, especially ones not so oriented around tech.

    (The Vietnamese, by contrast, have their big cluster in the city proper. Dunno why, perhaps because the Vietnamese on top of being refugees were largely peasants, as opposed to lower-middle class types chased away by industralization? Maybe that doesn’t matter at all, I’m just floating random ideas while trying not to crave alcohol…

    Lucky for them they began to grab property before Seattle became San Francisco North, I suppose, or they’d be competing with Somalis for free housing now.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    I don’t know if you were ever stationed in the area, so for all I know, I’m telling you stuff you already know, but I’d hazard that scale of difference between the immigration waves + SeaTac’s geography inhibits cross-mixing between the different immigrant stores, if not the native American clientele. Other metro areas might work differently, especially ones not so oriented around tech.
     
    I was. But that was before the massive rise of Indian immigration to the area that completely transformed the Eastside. I visited the area a couple of years ago and was shocked at how much it had changed, and not for the better. I still have very fond memories of hiking and hunting in the mountains there though. One thing that's nice there is that the countryside is not privately-owned and you can disappear for days and weeks into the woods and live off the land and really enjoy nature.

    My home now is also tech-heavy, so I don't think that's the deciding issue. It's probably different geography and migration patterns. Around where I live now, most Indian groceries are small and dingy. Indians don't seem to operate corporate franchises such as H-Mart and Lotte (I don't know whether such franchises for Indians even exist). I'd say my local Lotte's clientele is probably 80-90% Indian while H-Mart is probably around 50%.

    My Korean acquaintances in the area told me that they avoid that Lotte like the plague (which has long stopped stocking a wide variety of Korean items and now features lots of Indian food items). I can't disagree - it's a pretty unpleasant experience shopping among a majority Indian clientele.

    Wegmans and Trader Joe's clientele here is still mostly whites and East Asians as are the ones at Lidl and Aldi (thank goodness for those Germans).

    The sadly funny thing is, several Indians I know - who are much older doctors and who immigrated decades ago and are pretty assimilated (they all own dogs and guns) - are pretty vociferously negative in their appraisal of the more recent, tech-oriented Indian immigrant cohorts.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  133. @S. Anonyia
    @Jack D

    Old times Americans did not have a fear of non-bland foods, it was simply expensive, plus there wasn’t really a “foodie” culture like there is now.

    Did tourists to New Orleans in the 1950s only seek out steak and potato joints? I don’t think so. The local cuisine was savored.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Louisiana with its French culture was sort of an exception. You needed to mention NOLA because it would have been hard to think of another city in the 1950s (aside from NY) that could have been said to have a “restaurant scene”. The way things are going, we are going to come full circle.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    San Francisco always had a good restaurant scene, mostly French and Italian. Chinese was mostly gooey sweet canton American. Maybe they cooked better at home. Plus we have crabs and French sourdough bread. The starter for all the sourdough arrived from France in the 1850s in a woman’s kitchen supplies.

    Delicious old San Francisco recipe my version of Joe’s Special. Joes Special includes hamburger, broken up and cooked very dry and the fat removed. Since I don’t like hamburger here a hamburger free version.

    Chop to small dice white onions fry under low heat with butter or margarine at least 20 minutes don’t let them get brown. Keep an eye on them while you cut off the stems chop up a bunch of fresh spinach . Best the eggs with a teeny sprinkle of nutmeg more black pepper and salt. Add a little less one full teaspoon water for every egg.

    When the onions look done add the chopped spinach and stir around till all the water cooks off. Add lots more butter or margarine and the eggs.

    2 medium onions 1 bunch spinach 6 eggs. Helps if you use European 90% fat butter and really fresh eggs if you can find any.

    San Francisco food has deteriorated with all the immigrants selling crappy restaurant food. Arabs & Turks & Indians seem to have opened a lot of pizza restaurants. I believe they serve supermarket frozen pizzas.

    I avoid asian food because rice and noodles are fattening. So I don’t know. Clement st, not Chinatown has great Chinese restaurants. Marin county has many great great restaurants especially in Sausalito and Larkspur. And for great steaks a dance floor and ambiance, Nicks in Pacifica south of SF.

    I don’t think American food was all that bland. Huge German population used lots of vinegar and ginger. Plus horseradish sauce. Sauerbraten is a pot roast soaked in vinegar for several days. Hungarian food can be spicy.

    Poor countries use lots of spice because rice noodles pancakes tortillas are just dull and drab without lots of spice. Supermarket meat needs lots of spice. I prefer to buy meat at a speciality butcher shop. Supermarket meat needs to be drowned in curry barbecue teriyaki red wine garlic some kind of sauce

    For some reason, maternal grandparents lived in Biloxi Mississippi for a few years when my mother was at the learning to cook age. So she learned all that New Orleans Gulf Coast cooking.

    Her jambalaya was great big shrimp only 🦐 No ham sausage chicken.

    Oh! Homemade pimento cheese with finely grated extra extra sharp cheddar fresh red bell peppers you bake in the oven and chop up
    And just a teeny bit of mayonnaise to bind it together.

    With apologies to our Jewish commenters, that bland American food canard compared to spicy kosher food is just ridiculous. German polish and American kosher food is practically the same thing except for the Jewish pork and M&M taboos.

    I have a cook book, City Tavern. All sorts of colonial recipes flavorful and delicious. I make cheese soufflés a lot. I use ordinary tillamook extra extra sharp cheddar and dried basil. It not spicy but has that very strong sharp cheddar taste. Better than using French cheese in my opinion

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jack D

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Jack D

    Miami? San Francisco? Los Angeles? Savannah? Charleston? St. Louis? All had quality restaurants mid-century according to my grandparents who traveled widely. Not a crazy amount of variety, but the rich could eat well if they wanted.

    I mentioned NOLA because it’s recognizable. The entire Gulf Coast had similar tasting but less high-end cuisine, even the smaller cities like Biloxi or Mobile or Lafayette. I don’t think etoufee or gumbo qualify as bland.

    My Greatest Generation grandparents didn’t eat unsalted potatoes and boiled chicken, Jack. You sound like black Twitter.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  134. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    The Alarmist:


    They’re just trying to curry favour with Kamala.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNkzmP4ypOk

    Thanks, he'll be here all week. Try the curry nutmeg chitlins

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I’m not trying to sound obnoxious, I’m really not, but this whole subject kind of elucidates how parodyable our times have become.

  135. @Buffalo Joe
    @stillCARealist

    still CA, years ago when I had a job in an affirmative action program I was the only White and we had three secretaries. They used to eat Argo starch, right from the box. Never figured that out and on Fridays we would share a bottle of Cutty, but all blacks drank theirs in a glass of milk with ice.

    Replies: @Jack D

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    White southerners ate dirt too, especially after the civil war when pellagra and other malnutrition diseases were rampant. Supposedly they ate clay, especially pregnant women. Supposedly there are various benefits to clay eating. I don’t know what they are except maybe necessary minerals.

    Eating kaolin clay is the latest health food fad. Not out of the yard but from a nice jar in the health food store. It’s put in capsules.

    That old tale of stone soup wasn’t just a story of sharing food. In the old days poor Europeans did boil stones in soup. Apparently the stones leached necessary potassium niacin zinc and other minerals into the soup.

  136. @Dan Smith
    I saw a video of the post looting interior of Target. In the produce department all the shelves with veggies were untouched but there were lots of smashed watermelons on the floor.

    Replies: @Charon

    There are tons of great videos of the looting in progress too but YouTube generally deletes them asap.

    Oddly enough, they take them down for the exact same reason that BART gives for declining to supply information about crime on the transit system.

  137. @Reg Cæsar
    @Charon


    Target was indeed once appealing to white shoppers, but I can barely remember back that far.
     
    It still is in our area. Aldi is okay or awful, depending on where. Ours has Danish butter cookie coffee "creamer', which would almost make up for WWII if it used real cream instead of sunflower oil.

    The local Walmarts sell hunting weapons, but the council in our old city refused them a building permit until they agreed not to. (They didn't even build, just took over a former Kmart*.)

    It's like public transportation. It's usually pleasant in Asia or off-the-beaten-path Europe. But rarely in cities where it is both run and used by those with " diverse" standards.


    *Both chains have dropped their hyphens, but Amazon's Kindle re-inserts one into "Wal-Mart"-- just like that! Why is Jeff Besos [sic] doing this?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    The local Walmarts sell hunting weapons, but the council in our old city refused them a building permit until they agreed not to.

    After the Summer of George, it should be obvious why the council doesn’t want them to stock guns.

  138. @Twinkie
    @Captain Tripps


    No. Go to an H-Mart or Lotte Plaza; most of them have that Indian (and Latin) spice section anyway; plus, really good produce.
     
    I don’t know where you live, but where I live, those Korean grocery chains are overrun with Indians.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Captain Tripps

    I live in the vicinity of the Imperial capital/Freddy Gray-town. The H-Mart and Lotte are in heavily Kor-Am areas, but there are a decent number of Sub-Cons as well. Interestingly, most of the stockers are Latin.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Captain Tripps


    heavily Kor-Am areas
     
    East (commercial) or west (residential)? Or north (whence all the refugees to my area hail)?
  139. @Alden
    @Mr. Anon

    My local CVS, every time I go there more shelves are devoted to food. They have bacon and canned hams but no other meat or any produce. But all sorts of staples canned food, eggs milk ice cream etc. it started with a case of sandwiches and salads and has become a half grocery half drugstore.store I’m sure the only reason it hasn’t expanded to produce and fresh meat is government food regulations.

    Art supply stores don’t have potato chips as yet. Michael’s yarn and craft stores do. So do thrift shops. Borders book stores had shelves and shelves of candy and cookies. No wonder we’re so fat.

    Gas stations used to sell oil, battery jump cables and other useful car car items. Now potato chips and candy.

    There’s a Target near me with a big food section. Prices about 1/3 lower than the expensive grocery chain next door. Don’t buy meat at Target. It’s injected with lots of water, probably the maximum amount allowed by law.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Gas stations used to sell oil, battery jump cables and other useful car car items. Now potato chips and candy.

    Gas stations make maybe $0.04 a gallon on gas. Hard to pay the rent with that.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jim Don Bob

    That’s why the oil companies told the station owners to switch to potato chips and candy and get rid of auto repair. Potato chips and candy are far more profitable.

  140. @Jim Don Bob
    @Alden


    Gas stations used to sell oil, battery jump cables and other useful car car items. Now potato chips and candy.
     
    Gas stations make maybe $0.04 a gallon on gas. Hard to pay the rent with that.

    Replies: @Alden

    That’s why the oil companies told the station owners to switch to potato chips and candy and get rid of auto repair. Potato chips and candy are far more profitable.

  141. “Deena Shanker”: Really great story by @JordynJournals

    Journalism started to pay so poorly that it became a pink-collar industry. And now journalism is an unfunny joke.

  142. @Jack D
    @S. Anonyia

    Louisiana with its French culture was sort of an exception. You needed to mention NOLA because it would have been hard to think of another city in the 1950s (aside from NY) that could have been said to have a "restaurant scene". The way things are going, we are going to come full circle.

    Replies: @Alden, @S. Anonyia

    San Francisco always had a good restaurant scene, mostly French and Italian. Chinese was mostly gooey sweet canton American. Maybe they cooked better at home. Plus we have crabs and French sourdough bread. The starter for all the sourdough arrived from France in the 1850s in a woman’s kitchen supplies.

    Delicious old San Francisco recipe my version of Joe’s Special. Joes Special includes hamburger, broken up and cooked very dry and the fat removed. Since I don’t like hamburger here a hamburger free version.

    Chop to small dice white onions fry under low heat with butter or margarine at least 20 minutes don’t let them get brown. Keep an eye on them while you cut off the stems chop up a bunch of fresh spinach . Best the eggs with a teeny sprinkle of nutmeg more black pepper and salt. Add a little less one full teaspoon water for every egg.

    When the onions look done add the chopped spinach and stir around till all the water cooks off. Add lots more butter or margarine and the eggs.

    2 medium onions 1 bunch spinach 6 eggs. Helps if you use European 90% fat butter and really fresh eggs if you can find any.

    San Francisco food has deteriorated with all the immigrants selling crappy restaurant food. Arabs & Turks & Indians seem to have opened a lot of pizza restaurants. I believe they serve supermarket frozen pizzas.

    I avoid asian food because rice and noodles are fattening. So I don’t know. Clement st, not Chinatown has great Chinese restaurants. Marin county has many great great restaurants especially in Sausalito and Larkspur. And for great steaks a dance floor and ambiance, Nicks in Pacifica south of SF.

    I don’t think American food was all that bland. Huge German population used lots of vinegar and ginger. Plus horseradish sauce. Sauerbraten is a pot roast soaked in vinegar for several days. Hungarian food can be spicy.

    Poor countries use lots of spice because rice noodles pancakes tortillas are just dull and drab without lots of spice. Supermarket meat needs lots of spice. I prefer to buy meat at a speciality butcher shop. Supermarket meat needs to be drowned in curry barbecue teriyaki red wine garlic some kind of sauce

    For some reason, maternal grandparents lived in Biloxi Mississippi for a few years when my mother was at the learning to cook age. So she learned all that New Orleans Gulf Coast cooking.

    Her jambalaya was great big shrimp only 🦐 No ham sausage chicken.

    Oh! Homemade pimento cheese with finely grated extra extra sharp cheddar fresh red bell peppers you bake in the oven and chop up
    And just a teeny bit of mayonnaise to bind it together.

    With apologies to our Jewish commenters, that bland American food canard compared to spicy kosher food is just ridiculous. German polish and American kosher food is practically the same thing except for the Jewish pork and M&M taboos.

    I have a cook book, City Tavern. All sorts of colonial recipes flavorful and delicious. I make cheese soufflés a lot. I use ordinary tillamook extra extra sharp cheddar and dried basil. It not spicy but has that very strong sharp cheddar taste. Better than using French cheese in my opinion

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Alden


    With apologies to our Jewish commenters, that bland American food canard compared to spicy kosher food is just ridiculous. German polish and American kosher food is practically the same thing except for the Jewish pork and M&M taboos.
     
    You just need to understand, you see, that they are a superior people and their food is better than yours or mine.

    Don't you know that Jerusalem is the culinary capital of the world and has more Michelin's stars than any other city in the world? Oooops. That's not case. That would be Tokyo and Paris. Those darn anti-Semitic food critics!

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @Alden

    Unfortunately, the City Tavern just closed permanently because Covid killed his business. The chef was German but he was supposedly cooking colonial American food. I was kind of suspicious - did George Washington REALLY like spaetzle?

    I never heard that Ashkenazi cuisine was spicy and special, cause it ain't. When Jews ate out, they mostly ate Chinese. It's E. European food (without the pork) more than it's German.

  143. @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    Eating starch was a an improvement on eating dirt (I kid you not), which is another old-timey black custom.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/29/nyregion/jamaica-journal-old-fashioned-country-doctor-finishes-his-last-rounds-big-city.html#:~:text=Eating%20the%20starch%20was%20a,had%20the%20same%20gritty%20texture.

    (Jamaica here refers to the black section of Queens, NY, not the tropical island)

    https://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/13/us/southern-practice-of-eating-dirt-shows-signs-of-waning.html

    Replies: @Alden

    White southerners ate dirt too, especially after the civil war when pellagra and other malnutrition diseases were rampant. Supposedly they ate clay, especially pregnant women. Supposedly there are various benefits to clay eating. I don’t know what they are except maybe necessary minerals.

    Eating kaolin clay is the latest health food fad. Not out of the yard but from a nice jar in the health food store. It’s put in capsules.

    That old tale of stone soup wasn’t just a story of sharing food. In the old days poor Europeans did boil stones in soup. Apparently the stones leached necessary potassium niacin zinc and other minerals into the soup.

  144. @peterike
    @Jack D


    buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy
     
    You know they sell whole spices in the little tin cans as well.

    old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food

     

    This is a classic line of bullshit. Prior to corporate franken-food, American food was quite delicious. Was it "bland"? Well ok, it wasn't hiding the flavor with loads of cumin or red pepper flakes, because it didn't have to. Proper fresh food properly cooked requires little more than salt and pepper to be delicious. Meat was also much more flavorful in the past and of better quality. But that's what happens when you have way too many people.

    The "American food was bland" schtick is just more ethnic chauvinism. Shocking coming from you, gosh.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn’t have millions of dot Indians over here

     

    "Maybe"

    one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores
     
    All the spice stores combined don't even make up for Saira Rao, much less the millions of others. And you can buy "inexpensive high quality spices" on line.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    This is a classic line of bullshit. Prior to corporate franken-food, American food was quite delicious. Was it “bland”? Well ok, it wasn’t hiding the flavor with loads of cumin or red pepper flakes, because it didn’t have to. Proper fresh food properly cooked requires little more than salt and pepper to be delicious. Meat was also much more flavorful in the past and of better quality. But that’s what happens when you have way too many people.

    My in-laws are involved in agriculture (and I even did some farmland-management for them at one point), and when I was first introduced to farm-fresh produce through them, it was an eye-opening experience.

    It’s not just “too many people” – the United States is also a continent-sized country with a high degree of population dispersal. And that means food is cultivated for 1) longevity during transport and display and 2) appearance in display. In other countries/cultures, esp. those less private car-centric, where people routinely shop for groceries everyday, produce tends to be optimized for taste.

    The first time I had farm-fresh blackberries, I was kinda angry – that I had been buying grossly overpriced bitter blackberries at grocery stores. The farm-fresh blackberries were incomparably sweeter and more delicious.

    In any case, you are absolutely right that traditionally-produced meats, vegetables, and crops tend to have superior taste. My wife has a relative who grows heritage cows and pigs in the Midwest and they are incredibly delicious.

    As much as I love spices, my take on spices is the same as my take on makeup for women – less is more. Spicing should be done subtly to emphasize and enhance the flavor of the main ingredients. If you douse food with spices, you are hiding something.

  145. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    In the greater SeaTac area, the Korean and Indian groceries are pretty segregated, geographically, socially, and in the food they offer. The Indian groceries are clustered around Redmond and Bellevue. The Koreans have their enclaves, particularly Federal Way, but their groceries are more spread out through the region, and you are more likely to have to travel away from the Sea/Bel/Red core to get to them. I've never seen Indian food in one of them, though I'm not the type to pay attention closely to my surroundings-Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese stuff is on offer, though.

    One non-subtle clue that does reflect the differing circumstances of the immigration waves that you'll find affordable Korean and Vietnamese groceries in de-industralized places around Tacoma, especially near McChord where a lot of retired servicemen settled down on top of the diaspora. Plus churches, food joints, salons, what have you... smaller cluster in Bremerton, too. I don't know if you were ever stationed in the area, so for all I know, I'm telling you stuff you already know, but I'd hazard that scale of difference between the immigration waves + SeaTac's geography inhibits cross-mixing between the different immigrant stores, if not the native American clientele. Other metro areas might work differently, especially ones not so oriented around tech.

    (The Vietnamese, by contrast, have their big cluster in the city proper. Dunno why, perhaps because the Vietnamese on top of being refugees were largely peasants, as opposed to lower-middle class types chased away by industralization? Maybe that doesn't matter at all, I'm just floating random ideas while trying not to crave alcohol...

    Lucky for them they began to grab property before Seattle became San Francisco North, I suppose, or they'd be competing with Somalis for free housing now.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I don’t know if you were ever stationed in the area, so for all I know, I’m telling you stuff you already know, but I’d hazard that scale of difference between the immigration waves + SeaTac’s geography inhibits cross-mixing between the different immigrant stores, if not the native American clientele. Other metro areas might work differently, especially ones not so oriented around tech.

    I was. But that was before the massive rise of Indian immigration to the area that completely transformed the Eastside. I visited the area a couple of years ago and was shocked at how much it had changed, and not for the better. I still have very fond memories of hiking and hunting in the mountains there though. One thing that’s nice there is that the countryside is not privately-owned and you can disappear for days and weeks into the woods and live off the land and really enjoy nature.

    My home now is also tech-heavy, so I don’t think that’s the deciding issue. It’s probably different geography and migration patterns. Around where I live now, most Indian groceries are small and dingy. Indians don’t seem to operate corporate franchises such as H-Mart and Lotte (I don’t know whether such franchises for Indians even exist). I’d say my local Lotte’s clientele is probably 80-90% Indian while H-Mart is probably around 50%.

    My Korean acquaintances in the area told me that they avoid that Lotte like the plague (which has long stopped stocking a wide variety of Korean items and now features lots of Indian food items). I can’t disagree – it’s a pretty unpleasant experience shopping among a majority Indian clientele.

    Wegmans and Trader Joe’s clientele here is still mostly whites and East Asians as are the ones at Lidl and Aldi (thank goodness for those Germans).

    The sadly funny thing is, several Indians I know – who are much older doctors and who immigrated decades ago and are pretty assimilated (they all own dogs and guns) – are pretty vociferously negative in their appraisal of the more recent, tech-oriented Indian immigrant cohorts.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Oh, yeah, if you can get away from the hordes of people, the air and the environment still makes you feel young. I'm not currently in a position to periodically go off the grid for a variety of reasons, but I'm trying to work toward making it a possibility over the next year or so, and at least I have a grippingly easy target to look forward to.

    That said, watching the events of the summer on TV was more confirmation-if I ever needed any between stepping in discarded heroin needles underneath I-5 or looking at startup costs for making a modest living-that greater Seattle 30 years ago might as well have been a different country.

    >The sadly funny thing is, several Indians I know – who are much older doctors and who immigrated decades ago and are pretty assimilated (they all own dogs and guns) – are pretty vociferously negative in their appraisal of the more recent, tech-oriented Indian immigrant cohorts.

    Yeah, that's been what I've gathered too. I once roomed with an older Pakistani computational physicist-very bright guy-who emigrated several decades ago. When I asked him about this dynamic one day over lunch, he sighed and said that the big difference with the younger cohort was that they didn't look at uprooting their life halfway around the world as this life-changing, all consuming event that fundamentally changed everything, including yourself. For them, it's more like a business calculation: you weigh the costs of America vs. Europe vs. Singapore vs. wherever is on the table.

    In fairness, this isn't limited to them: mainland Chinese are similar, and it isn't as if America's own upper-middle class mentality of looking at the world like a giant box store is all that much different. But the PRC is developed and stable enough that many of them have headed or are heading home. I don't think South Asia's reaching that level any time soon. Couple that with the fact that the Indians are much more likely than the Chinese to have the skills needed to succeed in a managerial culture, and there you go.

    Also, it's weird to say given how education-selective South Asian immigration *still* is, but back then, it was nevertheless even more selective: you only got in if you were or were on the road to being a doctor or STEM doctorate.

  146. @Alden
    @Jack D

    San Francisco always had a good restaurant scene, mostly French and Italian. Chinese was mostly gooey sweet canton American. Maybe they cooked better at home. Plus we have crabs and French sourdough bread. The starter for all the sourdough arrived from France in the 1850s in a woman’s kitchen supplies.

    Delicious old San Francisco recipe my version of Joe’s Special. Joes Special includes hamburger, broken up and cooked very dry and the fat removed. Since I don’t like hamburger here a hamburger free version.

    Chop to small dice white onions fry under low heat with butter or margarine at least 20 minutes don’t let them get brown. Keep an eye on them while you cut off the stems chop up a bunch of fresh spinach . Best the eggs with a teeny sprinkle of nutmeg more black pepper and salt. Add a little less one full teaspoon water for every egg.

    When the onions look done add the chopped spinach and stir around till all the water cooks off. Add lots more butter or margarine and the eggs.

    2 medium onions 1 bunch spinach 6 eggs. Helps if you use European 90% fat butter and really fresh eggs if you can find any.

    San Francisco food has deteriorated with all the immigrants selling crappy restaurant food. Arabs & Turks & Indians seem to have opened a lot of pizza restaurants. I believe they serve supermarket frozen pizzas.

    I avoid asian food because rice and noodles are fattening. So I don’t know. Clement st, not Chinatown has great Chinese restaurants. Marin county has many great great restaurants especially in Sausalito and Larkspur. And for great steaks a dance floor and ambiance, Nicks in Pacifica south of SF.

    I don’t think American food was all that bland. Huge German population used lots of vinegar and ginger. Plus horseradish sauce. Sauerbraten is a pot roast soaked in vinegar for several days. Hungarian food can be spicy.

    Poor countries use lots of spice because rice noodles pancakes tortillas are just dull and drab without lots of spice. Supermarket meat needs lots of spice. I prefer to buy meat at a speciality butcher shop. Supermarket meat needs to be drowned in curry barbecue teriyaki red wine garlic some kind of sauce

    For some reason, maternal grandparents lived in Biloxi Mississippi for a few years when my mother was at the learning to cook age. So she learned all that New Orleans Gulf Coast cooking.

    Her jambalaya was great big shrimp only 🦐 No ham sausage chicken.

    Oh! Homemade pimento cheese with finely grated extra extra sharp cheddar fresh red bell peppers you bake in the oven and chop up
    And just a teeny bit of mayonnaise to bind it together.

    With apologies to our Jewish commenters, that bland American food canard compared to spicy kosher food is just ridiculous. German polish and American kosher food is practically the same thing except for the Jewish pork and M&M taboos.

    I have a cook book, City Tavern. All sorts of colonial recipes flavorful and delicious. I make cheese soufflés a lot. I use ordinary tillamook extra extra sharp cheddar and dried basil. It not spicy but has that very strong sharp cheddar taste. Better than using French cheese in my opinion

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jack D

    With apologies to our Jewish commenters, that bland American food canard compared to spicy kosher food is just ridiculous. German polish and American kosher food is practically the same thing except for the Jewish pork and M&M taboos.

    You just need to understand, you see, that they are a superior people and their food is better than yours or mine.

    Don’t you know that Jerusalem is the culinary capital of the world and has more Michelin’s stars than any other city in the world? Oooops. That’s not case. That would be Tokyo and Paris. Those darn anti-Semitic food critics!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Actually, "Israeli food" is very in and trendy. Zahav, an Israeli style restaurant in Philadelphia, got voted the top restaurant in America last year by the James Beard Foundation. Ottolenghi, who is Israeli (of Italian Jewish descent) but lives in London, is one of the most famous chefs in the world.

    I put it in scare quotes because it's really mainly Arab food - hummus and falafel and shakshuka and such. The Ashkenazi immigrants brought the same recipes that we are familiar with from American Jewish cuisine - chicken soup and matzo balls and so on - pretty bland stuff. But half the Jews in Israel are from the Arab world where they actually use spices so that redeems the cuisine.

    Of course the "Israeli food" that they serve at Zahav has been modernized and chefified and so on. Back in the day (when Israel was socialist) Israeli food used to be pretty limited because socialists never have hard currency to waste on importing things like coffee and beef. Coffee was a spoonful of instant, if you were lucky and the "beef" was turkey. On the kibbutzes, having a private kitchen was not permitted. Everyone was supposed to eat the same (bad) food in the collective cafeteria. But nowadays Tel Aviv has all sorts of SWPL type trendy cafes and artisanal coffee roasters, etc.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  147. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist. Maybe grinding your own spices is very SWPL (they had mortars and pestles in the Old Country too) but buying dusty tasteless overpriced preground spices in little tin cans at Target or Wal-Mart is very trashy so I'll take SWPL.

    BTW, old timey Americans for some reason had a fear of non-bland food - there was some kind of belief that spicy foods were sexually stimulating (and that was a bad thing). In the Settlement Houses where they taught immigrant women how to run an American kitchen, they tried to get people to cut out the garlic and pickles and so on. (They would have fainted if there had been Korean immigrants in those days.) I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking and it gives a sub-recipe for Italian meatballs. You start with the recipe for German Meatballs which they have just given at length and then in order to turn them into the exotic Italian Meatballs you omit a couple of things and you add 1/2 tsp. of oregano and ONE HALF of a clove of garlic (what are you supposed to do with the other half?). I suppose using the whole clove (this is a recipe for 4-6 people) might kill you.

    Maybe it would be better if we didn't have millions of dot Indians over here but they are here and one of the few benefits of having them is that they sell inexpensive high quality spices in their grocery stores. Might as well reap some benefit from them. BTW, Korean shopkeepers are no joy to deal with either and at least Indian shopkeepers speak (a form of) English.

    Replies: @peterike, @Stan Adams, @S. Anonyia, @Buffalo Joe, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    Plants produce ‘spicy’ chemicals to repel insects. The hotter the country, the more insects abound, the ‘spicier’ the local plant life — and the local cuisine.

  148. @Captain Tripps
    @Twinkie

    I live in the vicinity of the Imperial capital/Freddy Gray-town. The H-Mart and Lotte are in heavily Kor-Am areas, but there are a decent number of Sub-Cons as well. Interestingly, most of the stockers are Latin.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    heavily Kor-Am areas

    East (commercial) or west (residential)? Or north (whence all the refugees to my area hail)?

  149. @Jim Don Bob
    @Neoconned

    I thought you said you were married and had a kid.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    I am.

    My wife is in that 6 to 8 range.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Neoconned

    Good for you.

  150. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store where for the same of money as you'd pay for a little jar of McCormick spice that you need a microscope to see, they will sell you a whole bag full of the same spice and it will be fresher too (BTW, never buy pre-ground spices). The amount in one of those little microscopic McCormick jars would be enough to make 1 Indian meal, if that. They would laugh at the quantity in those little jars. Are they meant for doll houses or what?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie, @Captain Tripps, @The Anti-Gnostic

    If you’re buying that much that cheaply, it’s because the product has been handled at every point in the supply chain by impoverished, indifferent laborers in filthy facilities. So you get that authentic, rat-piss finish to your curry.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    McCormick doesn't grow spices. They import them from the growing countries same as the Indian wholesalers and the spices are picked by the same filthy peasants. When the bulk spices get to the US, McCormick repackages them in nice little bottles or tins and marks them up several hundred %. The Indian wholesalers put (much larger quantities of ) the spices into cheap plastic bags and mark them up a lot less because they don't advertise in national magazines or pay their CEO millions of $, etc. and because their customers would not be willing to pay $3 for 9/10ths of an ounce of cumin seed when they go thru half a pound every couple of weeks. Maybe the McCormick facility is more high tech and automated but most of the contamination is going to occur in the growing countries where sanitation is not up to US standards. If the Indian wholesaler has a facility in the US then it is subject to the same laws and health inspection requirements as anyone else.

    BTW, speaking of rat-piss, look outside of any Wegmans or other upscale supermarket and you'll see little black boxes about a foot square around the foundation. These are the rodent bait stations where they put out rat poison for the rats. If they didn't have rats they wouldn't need these bait stations so that means that they do have rats in the nice Wegmans where the ladies in their Land Rovers shop. Anywhere there is food you are going to find rodents. I'm sure they have them in the McCormick facilities too.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  151. @Alden
    @Jack D

    San Francisco always had a good restaurant scene, mostly French and Italian. Chinese was mostly gooey sweet canton American. Maybe they cooked better at home. Plus we have crabs and French sourdough bread. The starter for all the sourdough arrived from France in the 1850s in a woman’s kitchen supplies.

    Delicious old San Francisco recipe my version of Joe’s Special. Joes Special includes hamburger, broken up and cooked very dry and the fat removed. Since I don’t like hamburger here a hamburger free version.

    Chop to small dice white onions fry under low heat with butter or margarine at least 20 minutes don’t let them get brown. Keep an eye on them while you cut off the stems chop up a bunch of fresh spinach . Best the eggs with a teeny sprinkle of nutmeg more black pepper and salt. Add a little less one full teaspoon water for every egg.

    When the onions look done add the chopped spinach and stir around till all the water cooks off. Add lots more butter or margarine and the eggs.

    2 medium onions 1 bunch spinach 6 eggs. Helps if you use European 90% fat butter and really fresh eggs if you can find any.

    San Francisco food has deteriorated with all the immigrants selling crappy restaurant food. Arabs & Turks & Indians seem to have opened a lot of pizza restaurants. I believe they serve supermarket frozen pizzas.

    I avoid asian food because rice and noodles are fattening. So I don’t know. Clement st, not Chinatown has great Chinese restaurants. Marin county has many great great restaurants especially in Sausalito and Larkspur. And for great steaks a dance floor and ambiance, Nicks in Pacifica south of SF.

    I don’t think American food was all that bland. Huge German population used lots of vinegar and ginger. Plus horseradish sauce. Sauerbraten is a pot roast soaked in vinegar for several days. Hungarian food can be spicy.

    Poor countries use lots of spice because rice noodles pancakes tortillas are just dull and drab without lots of spice. Supermarket meat needs lots of spice. I prefer to buy meat at a speciality butcher shop. Supermarket meat needs to be drowned in curry barbecue teriyaki red wine garlic some kind of sauce

    For some reason, maternal grandparents lived in Biloxi Mississippi for a few years when my mother was at the learning to cook age. So she learned all that New Orleans Gulf Coast cooking.

    Her jambalaya was great big shrimp only 🦐 No ham sausage chicken.

    Oh! Homemade pimento cheese with finely grated extra extra sharp cheddar fresh red bell peppers you bake in the oven and chop up
    And just a teeny bit of mayonnaise to bind it together.

    With apologies to our Jewish commenters, that bland American food canard compared to spicy kosher food is just ridiculous. German polish and American kosher food is practically the same thing except for the Jewish pork and M&M taboos.

    I have a cook book, City Tavern. All sorts of colonial recipes flavorful and delicious. I make cheese soufflés a lot. I use ordinary tillamook extra extra sharp cheddar and dried basil. It not spicy but has that very strong sharp cheddar taste. Better than using French cheese in my opinion

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jack D

    Unfortunately, the City Tavern just closed permanently because Covid killed his business. The chef was German but he was supposedly cooking colonial American food. I was kind of suspicious – did George Washington REALLY like spaetzle?

    I never heard that Ashkenazi cuisine was spicy and special, cause it ain’t. When Jews ate out, they mostly ate Chinese. It’s E. European food (without the pork) more than it’s German.

  152. @Twinkie
    @Alden


    With apologies to our Jewish commenters, that bland American food canard compared to spicy kosher food is just ridiculous. German polish and American kosher food is practically the same thing except for the Jewish pork and M&M taboos.
     
    You just need to understand, you see, that they are a superior people and their food is better than yours or mine.

    Don't you know that Jerusalem is the culinary capital of the world and has more Michelin's stars than any other city in the world? Oooops. That's not case. That would be Tokyo and Paris. Those darn anti-Semitic food critics!

    Replies: @Jack D

    Actually, “Israeli food” is very in and trendy. Zahav, an Israeli style restaurant in Philadelphia, got voted the top restaurant in America last year by the James Beard Foundation. Ottolenghi, who is Israeli (of Italian Jewish descent) but lives in London, is one of the most famous chefs in the world.

    I put it in scare quotes because it’s really mainly Arab food – hummus and falafel and shakshuka and such. The Ashkenazi immigrants brought the same recipes that we are familiar with from American Jewish cuisine – chicken soup and matzo balls and so on – pretty bland stuff. But half the Jews in Israel are from the Arab world where they actually use spices so that redeems the cuisine.

    Of course the “Israeli food” that they serve at Zahav has been modernized and chefified and so on. Back in the day (when Israel was socialist) Israeli food used to be pretty limited because socialists never have hard currency to waste on importing things like coffee and beef. Coffee was a spoonful of instant, if you were lucky and the “beef” was turkey. On the kibbutzes, having a private kitchen was not permitted. Everyone was supposed to eat the same (bad) food in the collective cafeteria. But nowadays Tel Aviv has all sorts of SWPL type trendy cafes and artisanal coffee roasters, etc.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D

    Don’t try to “actually” me on Israeli food. Did you forget I spent some time in Israel when I used to work on CT? Even back those years, there were already Thai agricultural workers there, which in turn led to Thai restaurants (they were halfway decent - though my Israeli counterpart would always proclaim, “We have the best Thai food in the world here in Israel!” “Um, I had Thai food in Thailand - a lot”).

    I spent more time in Israel than probably a large majority of diaspora Jews. Tel Aviv ain’t a culinary capital of the world. It’s a backwater compared to Copenhagen or Seoul, let alone Paris, Tokyo, or Barcelona. American diaspora Jews may fancy themselves foodies, but Israelis aren’t (not that it matters, I prefer Sabras over “men without chests”).

    Replies: @Jack D

  153. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    I don’t know if you were ever stationed in the area, so for all I know, I’m telling you stuff you already know, but I’d hazard that scale of difference between the immigration waves + SeaTac’s geography inhibits cross-mixing between the different immigrant stores, if not the native American clientele. Other metro areas might work differently, especially ones not so oriented around tech.
     
    I was. But that was before the massive rise of Indian immigration to the area that completely transformed the Eastside. I visited the area a couple of years ago and was shocked at how much it had changed, and not for the better. I still have very fond memories of hiking and hunting in the mountains there though. One thing that's nice there is that the countryside is not privately-owned and you can disappear for days and weeks into the woods and live off the land and really enjoy nature.

    My home now is also tech-heavy, so I don't think that's the deciding issue. It's probably different geography and migration patterns. Around where I live now, most Indian groceries are small and dingy. Indians don't seem to operate corporate franchises such as H-Mart and Lotte (I don't know whether such franchises for Indians even exist). I'd say my local Lotte's clientele is probably 80-90% Indian while H-Mart is probably around 50%.

    My Korean acquaintances in the area told me that they avoid that Lotte like the plague (which has long stopped stocking a wide variety of Korean items and now features lots of Indian food items). I can't disagree - it's a pretty unpleasant experience shopping among a majority Indian clientele.

    Wegmans and Trader Joe's clientele here is still mostly whites and East Asians as are the ones at Lidl and Aldi (thank goodness for those Germans).

    The sadly funny thing is, several Indians I know - who are much older doctors and who immigrated decades ago and are pretty assimilated (they all own dogs and guns) - are pretty vociferously negative in their appraisal of the more recent, tech-oriented Indian immigrant cohorts.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Oh, yeah, if you can get away from the hordes of people, the air and the environment still makes you feel young. I’m not currently in a position to periodically go off the grid for a variety of reasons, but I’m trying to work toward making it a possibility over the next year or so, and at least I have a grippingly easy target to look forward to.

    That said, watching the events of the summer on TV was more confirmation-if I ever needed any between stepping in discarded heroin needles underneath I-5 or looking at startup costs for making a modest living-that greater Seattle 30 years ago might as well have been a different country.

    >The sadly funny thing is, several Indians I know – who are much older doctors and who immigrated decades ago and are pretty assimilated (they all own dogs and guns) – are pretty vociferously negative in their appraisal of the more recent, tech-oriented Indian immigrant cohorts.

    Yeah, that’s been what I’ve gathered too. I once roomed with an older Pakistani computational physicist-very bright guy-who emigrated several decades ago. When I asked him about this dynamic one day over lunch, he sighed and said that the big difference with the younger cohort was that they didn’t look at uprooting their life halfway around the world as this life-changing, all consuming event that fundamentally changed everything, including yourself. For them, it’s more like a business calculation: you weigh the costs of America vs. Europe vs. Singapore vs. wherever is on the table.

    In fairness, this isn’t limited to them: mainland Chinese are similar, and it isn’t as if America’s own upper-middle class mentality of looking at the world like a giant box store is all that much different. But the PRC is developed and stable enough that many of them have headed or are heading home. I don’t think South Asia’s reaching that level any time soon. Couple that with the fact that the Indians are much more likely than the Chinese to have the skills needed to succeed in a managerial culture, and there you go.

    Also, it’s weird to say given how education-selective South Asian immigration *still* is, but back then, it was nevertheless even more selective: you only got in if you were or were on the road to being a doctor or STEM doctorate.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  154. @Neoconned
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There's an old phrase "....the hotter they are the crazier they are....."

    Thats why i mess around in the 6 to 8 range these days. I don't have the nerves for a 10 or even a 9 and all their drama bullsh--

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @nebulafox

    >There’s an old phrase “….the hotter they are the crazier they are…..”

    Has not been my experience. Crazy and ugly can and do coexist.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @nebulafox

    This is evergreen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg

  155. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Actually, "Israeli food" is very in and trendy. Zahav, an Israeli style restaurant in Philadelphia, got voted the top restaurant in America last year by the James Beard Foundation. Ottolenghi, who is Israeli (of Italian Jewish descent) but lives in London, is one of the most famous chefs in the world.

    I put it in scare quotes because it's really mainly Arab food - hummus and falafel and shakshuka and such. The Ashkenazi immigrants brought the same recipes that we are familiar with from American Jewish cuisine - chicken soup and matzo balls and so on - pretty bland stuff. But half the Jews in Israel are from the Arab world where they actually use spices so that redeems the cuisine.

    Of course the "Israeli food" that they serve at Zahav has been modernized and chefified and so on. Back in the day (when Israel was socialist) Israeli food used to be pretty limited because socialists never have hard currency to waste on importing things like coffee and beef. Coffee was a spoonful of instant, if you were lucky and the "beef" was turkey. On the kibbutzes, having a private kitchen was not permitted. Everyone was supposed to eat the same (bad) food in the collective cafeteria. But nowadays Tel Aviv has all sorts of SWPL type trendy cafes and artisanal coffee roasters, etc.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Don’t try to “actually” me on Israeli food. Did you forget I spent some time in Israel when I used to work on CT? Even back those years, there were already Thai agricultural workers there, which in turn led to Thai restaurants (they were halfway decent – though my Israeli counterpart would always proclaim, “We have the best Thai food in the world here in Israel!” “Um, I had Thai food in Thailand – a lot”).

    I spent more time in Israel than probably a large majority of diaspora Jews. Tel Aviv ain’t a culinary capital of the world. It’s a backwater compared to Copenhagen or Seoul, let alone Paris, Tokyo, or Barcelona. American diaspora Jews may fancy themselves foodies, but Israelis aren’t (not that it matters, I prefer Sabras over “men without chests”).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I didn't forget because I never took note in the first place. I really don't keep track of your biography. And you are not the only one reading this.

    The "Israeli food" that is trendy in the West is not really the same thing as what the average Israeli eats on a daily basis (and I assure you that as unimpressive as you found the Tel Aviv restaurant scene, back in the day it was much much worse), but that is pretty much true of every high end restaurant cuisine. If you are going to charge people $66/head for some little plates of salad and bite sized chicken shashliks, you have to kick it up a notch.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  156. @Twinkie
    @Jack D

    Don’t try to “actually” me on Israeli food. Did you forget I spent some time in Israel when I used to work on CT? Even back those years, there were already Thai agricultural workers there, which in turn led to Thai restaurants (they were halfway decent - though my Israeli counterpart would always proclaim, “We have the best Thai food in the world here in Israel!” “Um, I had Thai food in Thailand - a lot”).

    I spent more time in Israel than probably a large majority of diaspora Jews. Tel Aviv ain’t a culinary capital of the world. It’s a backwater compared to Copenhagen or Seoul, let alone Paris, Tokyo, or Barcelona. American diaspora Jews may fancy themselves foodies, but Israelis aren’t (not that it matters, I prefer Sabras over “men without chests”).

    Replies: @Jack D

    I didn’t forget because I never took note in the first place. I really don’t keep track of your biography. And you are not the only one reading this.

    The “Israeli food” that is trendy in the West is not really the same thing as what the average Israeli eats on a daily basis (and I assure you that as unimpressive as you found the Tel Aviv restaurant scene, back in the day it was much much worse), but that is pretty much true of every high end restaurant cuisine. If you are going to charge people $66/head for some little plates of salad and bite sized chicken shashliks, you have to kick it up a notch.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I didn’t forget because I never took note in the first place. I really don’t keep track of your biography.
     
    Hmmm, that’s strange - I wonder why you brought up non-Indian related things in a discussion about Indians, things one might consider “biography.”

    You strike me as an intelligent person, and you often make good observations, but I would take you more seriously - and positively - if you didn’t argue so disingenuously.

    And you still haven’t explained this:

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     
  157. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    BTW, who buys spices at Target?
     
    The Targets around here have large grocery departments in addition to the usual clothing, cosmetics, housewares, electronics, etc. Not quite as comprehensive as a Walmart Supercenter but close. If you were so inclined you could do all of your grocery shopping (including spice buying) at one of these stores.

    I've noticed that a lot of stores that are not primarily grocery stores (e.g. chain drug stores, even gas stations and dollar stores) have increased the amount of shelf space that they devote to groceries and have installed fridges and freezers so that they can sell dairy products and frozen foods too. I'm not really sure what that's about but it's a definite thing. If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you'll know that it's REALLY a thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @prosa123, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Stan d Mute

    If you go into an auto parts store and they have produce section then you’ll know that it’s REALLY a thing.

    Menards is leading this parade. One can find a car battery, antifreeze, roofing shingles, 2×4 lumber, appliances, and a frozen pizza all under the roof. They only need fresh produce and live animals to complement their pet food stocks.

  158. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    If you're buying that much that cheaply, it's because the product has been handled at every point in the supply chain by impoverished, indifferent laborers in filthy facilities. So you get that authentic, rat-piss finish to your curry.

    Replies: @Jack D

    McCormick doesn’t grow spices. They import them from the growing countries same as the Indian wholesalers and the spices are picked by the same filthy peasants. When the bulk spices get to the US, McCormick repackages them in nice little bottles or tins and marks them up several hundred %. The Indian wholesalers put (much larger quantities of ) the spices into cheap plastic bags and mark them up a lot less because they don’t advertise in national magazines or pay their CEO millions of $, etc. and because their customers would not be willing to pay $3 for 9/10ths of an ounce of cumin seed when they go thru half a pound every couple of weeks. Maybe the McCormick facility is more high tech and automated but most of the contamination is going to occur in the growing countries where sanitation is not up to US standards. If the Indian wholesaler has a facility in the US then it is subject to the same laws and health inspection requirements as anyone else.

    BTW, speaking of rat-piss, look outside of any Wegmans or other upscale supermarket and you’ll see little black boxes about a foot square around the foundation. These are the rodent bait stations where they put out rat poison for the rats. If they didn’t have rats they wouldn’t need these bait stations so that means that they do have rats in the nice Wegmans where the ladies in their Land Rovers shop. Anywhere there is food you are going to find rodents. I’m sure they have them in the McCormick facilities too.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    Okay, Mr. Rat-Piss Curry.

  159. @Jack D
    @S. Anonyia

    Louisiana with its French culture was sort of an exception. You needed to mention NOLA because it would have been hard to think of another city in the 1950s (aside from NY) that could have been said to have a "restaurant scene". The way things are going, we are going to come full circle.

    Replies: @Alden, @S. Anonyia

    Miami? San Francisco? Los Angeles? Savannah? Charleston? St. Louis? All had quality restaurants mid-century according to my grandparents who traveled widely. Not a crazy amount of variety, but the rich could eat well if they wanted.

    I mentioned NOLA because it’s recognizable. The entire Gulf Coast had similar tasting but less high-end cuisine, even the smaller cities like Biloxi or Mobile or Lafayette. I don’t think etoufee or gumbo qualify as bland.

    My Greatest Generation grandparents didn’t eat unsalted potatoes and boiled chicken, Jack. You sound like black Twitter.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @S. Anonyia


    I mentioned NOLA because it’s recognizable. The entire Gulf Coast had similar tasting but less high-end cuisine, even the smaller cities like Biloxi or Mobile or Lafayette. I don’t think etoufee or gumbo qualify as bland.
     
    My wife’s late German-Swedish-descended and Midwestern farm-raised grandmother was a fabulous cook and made delectable food of her family heritage.

    And Southern cooking in general has always been rich and sumptuous at the high end. People of means everywhere desired and enjoyed tasty food.

    Jews often seem to want to take credit for bringing spices and flavor to the allegedly tasteless white Goyim (life was always bland before their coming). Funny they won’t take credit for bringing slaves through the same trade network.

    Replies: @Jack D

  160. @bruce county
    @Chrisnonymous

    All black (except me)

    Weren't you a brave sort.
    I would guess the kitchen staff were black as well.
    Even braver to eat what they handled/cooked.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Yes. (1) I was much younger–both foolish about blacks and with the physical confidence of a young muscular athlete–but also the area where I lived was “black upscale”. (2) The restaurant was a buffet-style, where everything was laid out in front of you, and you asked the staff to put this or that on your plate. So, no chance of shenanigans.

    The macaroni and cheese from that place was great.

  161. @Neoconned
    @Jim Don Bob

    I am.

    My wife is in that 6 to 8 range.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Good for you.

  162. @nebulafox
    @Neoconned

    >There’s an old phrase “….the hotter they are the crazier they are…..”

    Has not been my experience. Crazy and ugly can and do coexist.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    This is evergreen.

  163. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I didn't forget because I never took note in the first place. I really don't keep track of your biography. And you are not the only one reading this.

    The "Israeli food" that is trendy in the West is not really the same thing as what the average Israeli eats on a daily basis (and I assure you that as unimpressive as you found the Tel Aviv restaurant scene, back in the day it was much much worse), but that is pretty much true of every high end restaurant cuisine. If you are going to charge people $66/head for some little plates of salad and bite sized chicken shashliks, you have to kick it up a notch.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I didn’t forget because I never took note in the first place. I really don’t keep track of your biography.

    Hmmm, that’s strange – I wonder why you brought up non-Indian related things in a discussion about Indians, things one might consider “biography.”

    You strike me as an intelligent person, and you often make good observations, but I would take you more seriously – and positively – if you didn’t argue so disingenuously.

    And you still haven’t explained this:

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.

  164. @S. Anonyia
    @Jack D

    Miami? San Francisco? Los Angeles? Savannah? Charleston? St. Louis? All had quality restaurants mid-century according to my grandparents who traveled widely. Not a crazy amount of variety, but the rich could eat well if they wanted.

    I mentioned NOLA because it’s recognizable. The entire Gulf Coast had similar tasting but less high-end cuisine, even the smaller cities like Biloxi or Mobile or Lafayette. I don’t think etoufee or gumbo qualify as bland.

    My Greatest Generation grandparents didn’t eat unsalted potatoes and boiled chicken, Jack. You sound like black Twitter.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I mentioned NOLA because it’s recognizable. The entire Gulf Coast had similar tasting but less high-end cuisine, even the smaller cities like Biloxi or Mobile or Lafayette. I don’t think etoufee or gumbo qualify as bland.

    My wife’s late German-Swedish-descended and Midwestern farm-raised grandmother was a fabulous cook and made delectable food of her family heritage.

    And Southern cooking in general has always been rich and sumptuous at the high end. People of means everywhere desired and enjoyed tasty food.

    Jews often seem to want to take credit for bringing spices and flavor to the allegedly tasteless white Goyim (life was always bland before their coming). Funny they won’t take credit for bringing slaves through the same trade network.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's becoming clear that you are just an old fashioned anti-Semite. Jews played no large role in the slave trade simply because there were only a few hundred Jewish adult males in all of the colonies during the time slaves were being brought in (and most of them were Sephardic and no relation to today's Jews). Even if every last one of them was a slave trader (and they weren't) there would not have been enough of them to run the slave trade. This was just a libel dreamed up by that eminent historian Louis Farrakhan and then later taken up by white (and apparently yellow) anti-Semites. Most of those Sephardic Jews intermarried and raised their children as Christians and your wife is more likely to be one of their descendants than I am.

    Aside from you, I have never, ever heard of Jews claiming that they were the ones who spiced up American cuisine. Ashkenazi cuisine is anything but spicy. It uses salt and pepper and that's about it. Nor was that famous spice trader McCormickberg Jewish. However, the inventor of Old Bay seasoning was in fact a German-Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  165. @Twinkie
    @S. Anonyia


    I mentioned NOLA because it’s recognizable. The entire Gulf Coast had similar tasting but less high-end cuisine, even the smaller cities like Biloxi or Mobile or Lafayette. I don’t think etoufee or gumbo qualify as bland.
     
    My wife’s late German-Swedish-descended and Midwestern farm-raised grandmother was a fabulous cook and made delectable food of her family heritage.

    And Southern cooking in general has always been rich and sumptuous at the high end. People of means everywhere desired and enjoyed tasty food.

    Jews often seem to want to take credit for bringing spices and flavor to the allegedly tasteless white Goyim (life was always bland before their coming). Funny they won’t take credit for bringing slaves through the same trade network.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s becoming clear that you are just an old fashioned anti-Semite. Jews played no large role in the slave trade simply because there were only a few hundred Jewish adult males in all of the colonies during the time slaves were being brought in (and most of them were Sephardic and no relation to today’s Jews). Even if every last one of them was a slave trader (and they weren’t) there would not have been enough of them to run the slave trade. This was just a libel dreamed up by that eminent historian Louis Farrakhan and then later taken up by white (and apparently yellow) anti-Semites. Most of those Sephardic Jews intermarried and raised their children as Christians and your wife is more likely to be one of their descendants than I am.

    Aside from you, I have never, ever heard of Jews claiming that they were the ones who spiced up American cuisine. Ashkenazi cuisine is anything but spicy. It uses salt and pepper and that’s about it. Nor was that famous spice trader McCormickberg Jewish. However, the inventor of Old Bay seasoning was in fact a German-Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    It’s becoming clear that you are just an old fashioned anti-Semite.
     
    Yes, and “for a non-white person, [I am] pretty racist.”

    Don’t invert and don’t project.

    You argue the substance until you lose and then you divert or start playing “the anti-Semite” card. And that’s after dropping plenty of hints of your own racism and shiftiness (lots of “Let’s you and I unite against the Yellow Menace, fellow whites”).

    I got news for you. When I was growing up I was a philo-Semite. I bought into Jewish propaganda about themselves as “a light unto other nations.” Not only did my own study of history wake me up to the grotesque falseness of the said propaganda, so have behaviors of many Jews I have encountered since. Jews always told me that I should fear and loathe non-Jewish whites for their supposed racism, but in reality, what racism I have experienced in this country has been from the sacred blacks and Jews while non-Jewish whites I have encountered in my life have been decent, accepting, and guileless, by and large.

    Despite this, I don’t hate Jews and I have argued against Jewish conspiracy allegations on this very site. More than anything else, I am saddened and distressed by the selfish attitudes and behaviors of my fellow citizens of Jewish background - for their lack of noblesse oblige and contempt toward their non-Jewish social and economic inferiors. I wish they were more like the Israeli friends I have - fiercely loyal to their country and their fellow citizens.

    That you see this as “anti-Semitism” tells more about you than about me. So keep crying “You racist! You anti-Semite!” isn’t going to help you much and only demonstrate that you play for, and against, two sides.


    Sephardic Jews intermarried and raised their children as Christians and your wife is more likely to be one of their descendants than I am.
     
    You wish. She is 99.9% Northwestern European while I am 99.9% Northeast Asian. Neither of us has any Ashkenaji, Middle Eastern or African genes. Not that we’d care, but we don’t.

    What else do you want to throw to see if it sticks?

    Replies: @Jack D

  166. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's becoming clear that you are just an old fashioned anti-Semite. Jews played no large role in the slave trade simply because there were only a few hundred Jewish adult males in all of the colonies during the time slaves were being brought in (and most of them were Sephardic and no relation to today's Jews). Even if every last one of them was a slave trader (and they weren't) there would not have been enough of them to run the slave trade. This was just a libel dreamed up by that eminent historian Louis Farrakhan and then later taken up by white (and apparently yellow) anti-Semites. Most of those Sephardic Jews intermarried and raised their children as Christians and your wife is more likely to be one of their descendants than I am.

    Aside from you, I have never, ever heard of Jews claiming that they were the ones who spiced up American cuisine. Ashkenazi cuisine is anything but spicy. It uses salt and pepper and that's about it. Nor was that famous spice trader McCormickberg Jewish. However, the inventor of Old Bay seasoning was in fact a German-Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It’s becoming clear that you are just an old fashioned anti-Semite.

    Yes, and “for a non-white person, [I am] pretty racist.”

    Don’t invert and don’t project.

    You argue the substance until you lose and then you divert or start playing “the anti-Semite” card. And that’s after dropping plenty of hints of your own racism and shiftiness (lots of “Let’s you and I unite against the Yellow Menace, fellow whites”).

    I got news for you. When I was growing up I was a philo-Semite. I bought into Jewish propaganda about themselves as “a light unto other nations.” Not only did my own study of history wake me up to the grotesque falseness of the said propaganda, so have behaviors of many Jews I have encountered since. Jews always told me that I should fear and loathe non-Jewish whites for their supposed racism, but in reality, what racism I have experienced in this country has been from the sacred blacks and Jews while non-Jewish whites I have encountered in my life have been decent, accepting, and guileless, by and large.

    Despite this, I don’t hate Jews and I have argued against Jewish conspiracy allegations on this very site. More than anything else, I am saddened and distressed by the selfish attitudes and behaviors of my fellow citizens of Jewish background – for their lack of noblesse oblige and contempt toward their non-Jewish social and economic inferiors. I wish they were more like the Israeli friends I have – fiercely loyal to their country and their fellow citizens.

    That you see this as “anti-Semitism” tells more about you than about me. So keep crying “You racist! You anti-Semite!” isn’t going to help you much and only demonstrate that you play for, and against, two sides.

    Sephardic Jews intermarried and raised their children as Christians and your wife is more likely to be one of their descendants than I am.

    You wish. She is 99.9% Northwestern European while I am 99.9% Northeast Asian. Neither of us has any Ashkenaji, Middle Eastern or African genes. Not that we’d care, but we don’t.

    What else do you want to throw to see if it sticks?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    She is 99.9% Northwestern European while I am 99.9% Northeast Asian.
     
    I see. Twinkies may be two different colors but the outside is purest yellow while the inside is purest white. Koreans are very obsessed with the idea that they are a pure race unmixed with any others (esp. not Japanese). Hitler gave racial purity a bad name in the West but in Korea it is still positively associated with the nationalist, anti-Japanese cause.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_ethnic_nationalism

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

  167. @Mr. Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    At the very same time as all this stuff you are know using for your blog, I was schtupping with the divorcée of a Soloman Brothers indexer nerd from Princeton and driving his old 7-Series into Manhattan on dates.
     
    They say that buying second hand is always a better value.

    I hear they say that about cars too.

    Replies: @znon, @JohnnyWalker123

    Yeah, but you gotta factor in rapid depreciation.

  168. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    never buy pre-ground spices
     
    Very SWPL of you.

    Better yet go to an Indian grocery store
     
    Yes, but then I’d have to deal with Indians, and FOB ones at that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anon

    What don’t you like about Indians?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anon

    How much time do you have?

    Replies: @Anon

  169. The story of Esau and the soup always comes to mind when people start gushing over “good restaurants”

    There are more important things than tasty food.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Around here I see a lot of the opposite - "Indian food tastes like rat piss." or "American food was always great". Denying the obvious doesn't really help your cause, it just makes you sound ignorant and full of sour grapes. 1950s America had many glories but Jello salad was not one of them.

    While selling your birthright for a mess of pottage is not a good idea, Esau should not have told Jacob, "this pottage tastes like rat piss - I'm sticking to Campbell's Soup from a can". He should have said, "Hmm, that sambar smells mighty tasty but it's not worth trading my birthright for it."

  170. @Anon
    @Twinkie

    What don't you like about Indians?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    How much time do you have?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Twinkie

    Plenty. Go for it.

  171. @Anonymous
    The story of Esau and the soup always comes to mind when people start gushing over "good restaurants"

    There are more important things than tasty food.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Around here I see a lot of the opposite – “Indian food tastes like rat piss.” or “American food was always great”. Denying the obvious doesn’t really help your cause, it just makes you sound ignorant and full of sour grapes. 1950s America had many glories but Jello salad was not one of them.

    While selling your birthright for a mess of pottage is not a good idea, Esau should not have told Jacob, “this pottage tastes like rat piss – I’m sticking to Campbell’s Soup from a can”. He should have said, “Hmm, that sambar smells mighty tasty but it’s not worth trading my birthright for it.”

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  172. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    It’s becoming clear that you are just an old fashioned anti-Semite.
     
    Yes, and “for a non-white person, [I am] pretty racist.”

    Don’t invert and don’t project.

    You argue the substance until you lose and then you divert or start playing “the anti-Semite” card. And that’s after dropping plenty of hints of your own racism and shiftiness (lots of “Let’s you and I unite against the Yellow Menace, fellow whites”).

    I got news for you. When I was growing up I was a philo-Semite. I bought into Jewish propaganda about themselves as “a light unto other nations.” Not only did my own study of history wake me up to the grotesque falseness of the said propaganda, so have behaviors of many Jews I have encountered since. Jews always told me that I should fear and loathe non-Jewish whites for their supposed racism, but in reality, what racism I have experienced in this country has been from the sacred blacks and Jews while non-Jewish whites I have encountered in my life have been decent, accepting, and guileless, by and large.

    Despite this, I don’t hate Jews and I have argued against Jewish conspiracy allegations on this very site. More than anything else, I am saddened and distressed by the selfish attitudes and behaviors of my fellow citizens of Jewish background - for their lack of noblesse oblige and contempt toward their non-Jewish social and economic inferiors. I wish they were more like the Israeli friends I have - fiercely loyal to their country and their fellow citizens.

    That you see this as “anti-Semitism” tells more about you than about me. So keep crying “You racist! You anti-Semite!” isn’t going to help you much and only demonstrate that you play for, and against, two sides.


    Sephardic Jews intermarried and raised their children as Christians and your wife is more likely to be one of their descendants than I am.
     
    You wish. She is 99.9% Northwestern European while I am 99.9% Northeast Asian. Neither of us has any Ashkenaji, Middle Eastern or African genes. Not that we’d care, but we don’t.

    What else do you want to throw to see if it sticks?

    Replies: @Jack D

    She is 99.9% Northwestern European while I am 99.9% Northeast Asian.

    I see. Twinkies may be two different colors but the outside is purest yellow while the inside is purest white. Koreans are very obsessed with the idea that they are a pure race unmixed with any others (esp. not Japanese). Hitler gave racial purity a bad name in the West but in Korea it is still positively associated with the nationalist, anti-Japanese cause.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_ethnic_nationalism

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    > Hitler gave racial purity a bad name in the West but in Korea it is still positively associated with the nationalist, anti-Japanese cause.

    Korean ethno-nationalism in the South is still widespread on the surface, but pretty shallow when you dig deeper-especially among the young. You'll find plenty of interracial couples in Seoul these days and nobody bats an eye.

    When my father was there in the 1980s, by contrast, you'd get plenty of stares during the day and older Korean geezers drunkenly yelling at you at night if you were white and with one of their women. And if you were black, it was way worse: especially for the woman.

    (The DPRK is another story: they do take the "cleanest race" stuff pretty seriously. Pregnant defector women who were sent to the camps with half-Chinese babies got forced abortions that weren't kindly or hygenically carried out and often resulted in death. Though I ultimately don't agree with the take that them being a bunch of racial supremacists makes them impossible to deal with or irrational.)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I see. Twinkies may be two different colors but the outside is purest yellow while the inside is purest white. Koreans are very obsessed with the idea that they are a pure race unmixed with any others (esp. not Japanese).
     
    1. More non sequitur, diversion, and sly (but quite transparent) ad hominem.

    2. Koreans are not “very obsessed” with any such idea. More than 10% of births in South Korea are born to couples among whom at least one parent is not Korean. For the past three decades, both the right and left in power in South Korea has promoted “globalization” full tilt and has even encouraged rural and underclass males who can’t find local brides to marry with women from overseas, esp. those from “Jungle Asian” countries. And Koreans born in America, both males and females, have the highest intermarriage rates among Asians.

    3. Lots of Koreans have shared ancestry with the Japanese (and vice versa). But “allergy” toward Japan has to do with a little thing called Japanese colonial occupation, which became very brutal as the Pacific War progressed. Nonetheless this is sentiment mostly reserved among the old and very few nationalist youths. Most young people prefer a friendly relations with Japan.

    You want to throw anything else to see if it sticks? Now that I patiently addressed your points despite your attempt to paint me as a BadRacist/Anti-Semite, answer me what you meant by this.

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

  173. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    McCormick doesn't grow spices. They import them from the growing countries same as the Indian wholesalers and the spices are picked by the same filthy peasants. When the bulk spices get to the US, McCormick repackages them in nice little bottles or tins and marks them up several hundred %. The Indian wholesalers put (much larger quantities of ) the spices into cheap plastic bags and mark them up a lot less because they don't advertise in national magazines or pay their CEO millions of $, etc. and because their customers would not be willing to pay $3 for 9/10ths of an ounce of cumin seed when they go thru half a pound every couple of weeks. Maybe the McCormick facility is more high tech and automated but most of the contamination is going to occur in the growing countries where sanitation is not up to US standards. If the Indian wholesaler has a facility in the US then it is subject to the same laws and health inspection requirements as anyone else.

    BTW, speaking of rat-piss, look outside of any Wegmans or other upscale supermarket and you'll see little black boxes about a foot square around the foundation. These are the rodent bait stations where they put out rat poison for the rats. If they didn't have rats they wouldn't need these bait stations so that means that they do have rats in the nice Wegmans where the ladies in their Land Rovers shop. Anywhere there is food you are going to find rodents. I'm sure they have them in the McCormick facilities too.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Okay, Mr. Rat-Piss Curry.

  174. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    She is 99.9% Northwestern European while I am 99.9% Northeast Asian.
     
    I see. Twinkies may be two different colors but the outside is purest yellow while the inside is purest white. Koreans are very obsessed with the idea that they are a pure race unmixed with any others (esp. not Japanese). Hitler gave racial purity a bad name in the West but in Korea it is still positively associated with the nationalist, anti-Japanese cause.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_ethnic_nationalism

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    > Hitler gave racial purity a bad name in the West but in Korea it is still positively associated with the nationalist, anti-Japanese cause.

    Korean ethno-nationalism in the South is still widespread on the surface, but pretty shallow when you dig deeper-especially among the young. You’ll find plenty of interracial couples in Seoul these days and nobody bats an eye.

    When my father was there in the 1980s, by contrast, you’d get plenty of stares during the day and older Korean geezers drunkenly yelling at you at night if you were white and with one of their women. And if you were black, it was way worse: especially for the woman.

    (The DPRK is another story: they do take the “cleanest race” stuff pretty seriously. Pregnant defector women who were sent to the camps with half-Chinese babies got forced abortions that weren’t kindly or hygenically carried out and often resulted in death. Though I ultimately don’t agree with the take that them being a bunch of racial supremacists makes them impossible to deal with or irrational.)

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @nebulafox

    Koreans (like all East Asians) are pretty pragmatic people. For them, pragmatism often trumps tribalism. Also, with the growing social atomization/isolation in today's human society (especially the first world), lots of people have this mentality that you should just "do your own thing."

    Korean women are (like all East Asian women) obsessed with status and money, with a extreme fixation on Whiteness. So many don't mind marrying a Western man with a good job. Some marry other East Asians too, but usually they need to be financially well off. Since Korean women are fashionable and beautiful (with especially nice skin), plenty of men want to marry them.

    Also, since the local Korean women are so obsessed with marrying for money, less affluent local Korean men often get left on the shelf and become "incels." So for many of them, marrying a pleasant, thin, and simple girl from Southeast Asia is not a bad deal. It's sort of the equivalent of White American men marrying Russian mail order brides.

    Korean culture is still pretty strong though. So the children of these mixed marriages likely will assimilate. What Korea is permitting now is the equivalent of Anglo-America letting in lots of Southern&Eastern Euros.

    As for Korean elites, lots go to school in the West and absorb American thinking. Since Koreans are (like all East Asians) pretty conformist, they're going along with whatever ideology that America propounds. That accounts for some of the cultural shift in Korea.

    Chinese elites are more scared of the West. So they're much more careful not to put Western-educated individuals in positions of power. Therefore, the Chinese elites a high degree of insularity, xenophobia, and nationalism. They remain traditional East Asians.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox

  175. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    She is 99.9% Northwestern European while I am 99.9% Northeast Asian.
     
    I see. Twinkies may be two different colors but the outside is purest yellow while the inside is purest white. Koreans are very obsessed with the idea that they are a pure race unmixed with any others (esp. not Japanese). Hitler gave racial purity a bad name in the West but in Korea it is still positively associated with the nationalist, anti-Japanese cause.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_ethnic_nationalism

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    I see. Twinkies may be two different colors but the outside is purest yellow while the inside is purest white. Koreans are very obsessed with the idea that they are a pure race unmixed with any others (esp. not Japanese).

    1. More non sequitur, diversion, and sly (but quite transparent) ad hominem.

    2. Koreans are not “very obsessed” with any such idea. More than 10% of births in South Korea are born to couples among whom at least one parent is not Korean. For the past three decades, both the right and left in power in South Korea has promoted “globalization” full tilt and has even encouraged rural and underclass males who can’t find local brides to marry with women from overseas, esp. those from “Jungle Asian” countries. And Koreans born in America, both males and females, have the highest intermarriage rates among Asians.

    3. Lots of Koreans have shared ancestry with the Japanese (and vice versa). But “allergy” toward Japan has to do with a little thing called Japanese colonial occupation, which became very brutal as the Pacific War progressed. Nonetheless this is sentiment mostly reserved among the old and very few nationalist youths. Most young people prefer a friendly relations with Japan.

    You want to throw anything else to see if it sticks? Now that I patiently addressed your points despite your attempt to paint me as a BadRacist/Anti-Semite, answer me what you meant by this.

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    https://imgur.com/a/Jh6rZjz

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    What do you think of the poster "Duke of Qin?"

    He has some fairly interesting thoughts on Chinese and other East Asian peoples. Do you agree/disagree?

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Duke+of+Qin

    Replies: @Twinkie

  176. @Twinkie
    @Anon

    How much time do you have?

    Replies: @Anon

    Plenty. Go for it.

  177. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I see. Twinkies may be two different colors but the outside is purest yellow while the inside is purest white. Koreans are very obsessed with the idea that they are a pure race unmixed with any others (esp. not Japanese).
     
    1. More non sequitur, diversion, and sly (but quite transparent) ad hominem.

    2. Koreans are not “very obsessed” with any such idea. More than 10% of births in South Korea are born to couples among whom at least one parent is not Korean. For the past three decades, both the right and left in power in South Korea has promoted “globalization” full tilt and has even encouraged rural and underclass males who can’t find local brides to marry with women from overseas, esp. those from “Jungle Asian” countries. And Koreans born in America, both males and females, have the highest intermarriage rates among Asians.

    3. Lots of Koreans have shared ancestry with the Japanese (and vice versa). But “allergy” toward Japan has to do with a little thing called Japanese colonial occupation, which became very brutal as the Pacific War progressed. Nonetheless this is sentiment mostly reserved among the old and very few nationalist youths. Most young people prefer a friendly relations with Japan.

    You want to throw anything else to see if it sticks? Now that I patiently addressed your points despite your attempt to paint me as a BadRacist/Anti-Semite, answer me what you meant by this.

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    • Agree: Twinkie
  178. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    > Hitler gave racial purity a bad name in the West but in Korea it is still positively associated with the nationalist, anti-Japanese cause.

    Korean ethno-nationalism in the South is still widespread on the surface, but pretty shallow when you dig deeper-especially among the young. You'll find plenty of interracial couples in Seoul these days and nobody bats an eye.

    When my father was there in the 1980s, by contrast, you'd get plenty of stares during the day and older Korean geezers drunkenly yelling at you at night if you were white and with one of their women. And if you were black, it was way worse: especially for the woman.

    (The DPRK is another story: they do take the "cleanest race" stuff pretty seriously. Pregnant defector women who were sent to the camps with half-Chinese babies got forced abortions that weren't kindly or hygenically carried out and often resulted in death. Though I ultimately don't agree with the take that them being a bunch of racial supremacists makes them impossible to deal with or irrational.)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Koreans (like all East Asians) are pretty pragmatic people. For them, pragmatism often trumps tribalism. Also, with the growing social atomization/isolation in today’s human society (especially the first world), lots of people have this mentality that you should just “do your own thing.”

    Korean women are (like all East Asian women) obsessed with status and money, with a extreme fixation on Whiteness. So many don’t mind marrying a Western man with a good job. Some marry other East Asians too, but usually they need to be financially well off. Since Korean women are fashionable and beautiful (with especially nice skin), plenty of men want to marry them.

    Also, since the local Korean women are so obsessed with marrying for money, less affluent local Korean men often get left on the shelf and become “incels.” So for many of them, marrying a pleasant, thin, and simple girl from Southeast Asia is not a bad deal. It’s sort of the equivalent of White American men marrying Russian mail order brides.

    Korean culture is still pretty strong though. So the children of these mixed marriages likely will assimilate. What Korea is permitting now is the equivalent of Anglo-America letting in lots of Southern&Eastern Euros.

    As for Korean elites, lots go to school in the West and absorb American thinking. Since Koreans are (like all East Asians) pretty conformist, they’re going along with whatever ideology that America propounds. That accounts for some of the cultural shift in Korea.

    Chinese elites are more scared of the West. So they’re much more careful not to put Western-educated individuals in positions of power. Therefore, the Chinese elites a high degree of insularity, xenophobia, and nationalism. They remain traditional East Asians.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @JohnnyWalker123

    One of the refreshing aspects about this forum is that you can talk honestly about stuff like racial characteristics as the reality of life it is while trusting that the person you are talking to is a mature grown-up who understands that's not the whole story and that human beings are just human beings in the end, shaped by their own individual circumstances. Culture shapes that, but so does your socioeconomic background, your personality, the ideology you grow up with, and innumerable other factors.

    So, I pose this question back: does the North Korean government strike you as pragmatic?

    (And actually, in the constraints that their ideology imposes, they are! Or at least I'd argue they are. But that's not the point. It's hardly behavior that matches neatly to some predefined racial template of pragmatism so much as North Korea's own contingent, more immediate historical factors. And again, I'm not trying to deny that East Asian conformity isn't a thing, but it isn't some static, all-encompassing feature that dictates an individual's behavior, let alone a government's.)

    > Therefore, the Chinese elites a high degree of insularity, xenophobia, and nationalism. They remain traditional East Asians.

    What does traditional mean, though? Mainland China had thousands of years of cultural tradition damaged not that long ago in its history, with children set upon parents and elders in a deeply un-Confucian manner. It has only been recently that money caused by economic growth ceased to be enough to fill that particular void. Middle-class PRCers are responding to that in an interesting variety of ways: some embrace their own classics, sure, but some are embracing Christianity, which the PRC has to duly co-opt.

    And sometimes you have some ultra-nationalist PRC gamer ranting about WWII while happily playing his Japanese manufactured game without a lick of irony in the world. ;)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @nebulafox
    @JohnnyWalker123

    >Chinese elites are more scared of the West.

    After watching Antifa weirdos run wild with impunity and the bungled response to the pandemic, among other things, I'm more concerned that they think America's too much of a train-wreck to respond to anything. I have a hard time blaming the PRC here, because America *is* a trainwreck at the moment, but it doesn't take a ton of imagination to see how such a dynamic could spiral out of control.

    Biden's election does not help matters, considering he's appointing people from the same milieu as the last quarter century of policy-which is going to result in pure incoherence when you mix human rights fantasists who have learned absolutely nothing from the last 30 years with private sector hacks (who love to take knees for BLM, but hate, hate, hate people who talk about Xinjiang or their own past with trade secrets) who want to restore 1990s/2000s norms. And of course, the little fact that he's senile with a running mate who is a walking Woke Corporate stereotype.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mississippi-police-officer-fired-for-racist-misogynistic-kamala-harris-social-media-post/ar-BB1aYNol

    Unlike ordinary Americans, Xi Jinping does not have to worry about losing his job for pointing out unflattering realities about our new President and VP.

  179. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I see. Twinkies may be two different colors but the outside is purest yellow while the inside is purest white. Koreans are very obsessed with the idea that they are a pure race unmixed with any others (esp. not Japanese).
     
    1. More non sequitur, diversion, and sly (but quite transparent) ad hominem.

    2. Koreans are not “very obsessed” with any such idea. More than 10% of births in South Korea are born to couples among whom at least one parent is not Korean. For the past three decades, both the right and left in power in South Korea has promoted “globalization” full tilt and has even encouraged rural and underclass males who can’t find local brides to marry with women from overseas, esp. those from “Jungle Asian” countries. And Koreans born in America, both males and females, have the highest intermarriage rates among Asians.

    3. Lots of Koreans have shared ancestry with the Japanese (and vice versa). But “allergy” toward Japan has to do with a little thing called Japanese colonial occupation, which became very brutal as the Pacific War progressed. Nonetheless this is sentiment mostly reserved among the old and very few nationalist youths. Most young people prefer a friendly relations with Japan.

    You want to throw anything else to see if it sticks? Now that I patiently addressed your points despite your attempt to paint me as a BadRacist/Anti-Semite, answer me what you meant by this.

    For a non-white person, you are pretty racist.
     

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    What do you think of the poster “Duke of Qin?”

    He has some fairly interesting thoughts on Chinese and other East Asian peoples. Do you agree/disagree?

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Duke+of+Qin

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @JohnnyWalker123

    He strikes me as a Chinese supremacist type all too common these days on the Internet.

  180. @JohnnyWalker123
    @nebulafox

    Koreans (like all East Asians) are pretty pragmatic people. For them, pragmatism often trumps tribalism. Also, with the growing social atomization/isolation in today's human society (especially the first world), lots of people have this mentality that you should just "do your own thing."

    Korean women are (like all East Asian women) obsessed with status and money, with a extreme fixation on Whiteness. So many don't mind marrying a Western man with a good job. Some marry other East Asians too, but usually they need to be financially well off. Since Korean women are fashionable and beautiful (with especially nice skin), plenty of men want to marry them.

    Also, since the local Korean women are so obsessed with marrying for money, less affluent local Korean men often get left on the shelf and become "incels." So for many of them, marrying a pleasant, thin, and simple girl from Southeast Asia is not a bad deal. It's sort of the equivalent of White American men marrying Russian mail order brides.

    Korean culture is still pretty strong though. So the children of these mixed marriages likely will assimilate. What Korea is permitting now is the equivalent of Anglo-America letting in lots of Southern&Eastern Euros.

    As for Korean elites, lots go to school in the West and absorb American thinking. Since Koreans are (like all East Asians) pretty conformist, they're going along with whatever ideology that America propounds. That accounts for some of the cultural shift in Korea.

    Chinese elites are more scared of the West. So they're much more careful not to put Western-educated individuals in positions of power. Therefore, the Chinese elites a high degree of insularity, xenophobia, and nationalism. They remain traditional East Asians.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox

    One of the refreshing aspects about this forum is that you can talk honestly about stuff like racial characteristics as the reality of life it is while trusting that the person you are talking to is a mature grown-up who understands that’s not the whole story and that human beings are just human beings in the end, shaped by their own individual circumstances. Culture shapes that, but so does your socioeconomic background, your personality, the ideology you grow up with, and innumerable other factors.

    So, I pose this question back: does the North Korean government strike you as pragmatic?

    (And actually, in the constraints that their ideology imposes, they are! Or at least I’d argue they are. But that’s not the point. It’s hardly behavior that matches neatly to some predefined racial template of pragmatism so much as North Korea’s own contingent, more immediate historical factors. And again, I’m not trying to deny that East Asian conformity isn’t a thing, but it isn’t some static, all-encompassing feature that dictates an individual’s behavior, let alone a government’s.)

    > Therefore, the Chinese elites a high degree of insularity, xenophobia, and nationalism. They remain traditional East Asians.

    What does traditional mean, though? Mainland China had thousands of years of cultural tradition damaged not that long ago in its history, with children set upon parents and elders in a deeply un-Confucian manner. It has only been recently that money caused by economic growth ceased to be enough to fill that particular void. Middle-class PRCers are responding to that in an interesting variety of ways: some embrace their own classics, sure, but some are embracing Christianity, which the PRC has to duly co-opt.

    And sometimes you have some ultra-nationalist PRC gamer ranting about WWII while happily playing his Japanese manufactured game without a lick of irony in the world. 😉

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @nebulafox


    One of the refreshing aspects about this forum is that you can talk honestly about stuff like racial characteristics as the reality of life it is while trusting that the person you are talking to is a mature grown-up who understands that’s not the whole story and that human beings are just human beings in the end, shaped by their own individual circumstances. Culture shapes that, but so does your socioeconomic background, your personality, the ideology you grow up with, and innumerable other factors.
     
    I agree. The quality of the discussion here is often pretty good. This topic has produced some especially insightful comments. It's a lot better than what you find in general society or even social media.

    So, I pose this question back: does the North Korean government strike you as pragmatic?

     

    Well, I think NK is much more pragmatic than is often portrayed on American television. There's a reason why the Kim regime has yet to collapse. I'm also pretty impressed that such an isolated and poor nation can produce advanced technologies, like nuclear weapons and missiles. There must be some internal strength to that nation that's not being taken into account by foreign observers, who might have their own self-serving biases and blind spots.

    While I'm certainly not a defender of the NK regime, I think the people running the country are more sane in real life than they're portrayed on television. If they weren't at least somewhat rational, NK would be in far worse condition

    What does traditional mean, though? Mainland China had thousands of years of cultural tradition damaged not that long ago in its history, with children set upon parents and elders in a deeply un-Confucian manner. It has only been recently that money caused by economic growth ceased to be enough to fill that particular void. Middle-class PRCers are responding to that in an interesting variety of ways: some embrace their own classics, sure, but some are embracing Christianity, which the PRC has to duly co-opt.

    And sometimes you have some ultra-nationalist PRC gamer ranting about WWII while happily playing his Japanese manufactured game without a lick of irony in the world.
     
    The newly ascendant Chinese Communist Party wanted to build a new utopia in their nation, but they knew that remaking Chinese society would be a very difficult undertaking. So they assumed that by smashing the old norms of Chinese society, they could mentally "free" the citizenry and then reshape the average Chinese citizen into a "New Soviet Man."

    That might insane in retrospect, but you have to remember that Communist ideology had empowered the CCP to defeat the Nationalists, Japanese, and even the Americans (in South Korea). So they had faith, almost comparable to religious fervor, in Communist ideology. They genuinely believed that if they eradicated the old China, they could build a Communist utopia in its wake.

    China went through very painful turmoil during the twilight of the Qing Empire. So by the early 20th century, many Chinese peasants were willing to support the Chinese Communist Party. That's why the peasantry were willing to turn against the traditional norms (associated with the parasitic landowning class) that had been historically used to economically suppress them.

    You also have to remember that while East Asians are certainly conservative, they have a strong tendency towards conformity. So when the CCP told them to hate and destroy the old order, many just did as they were told.

    Imagine if American society was run by fundamentalist Christians. Then imagine American society collapsed into poverty, lawlessness, and chaos. Later, fundamentalist Muslims gained the confidence of the population and took power. One of their first acts probably would be destroying all the old Churches. Assuming the people were mad enough, maybe they'd go along with. Maybe the most ardent new American Islamic fanatics would be former Christian fanatics who had become disillusioned with the leaders of their old faith.

    I agree that generalizations often have exceptions. In the case of the Chinese, the Cultural Revolution is definitely a huge exception.

    After watching Antifa weirdos run wild with impunity and the bungled response to the pandemic, among other things, I’m more concerned that they think America’s too much of a train-wreck to respond to anything. I have a hard time blaming the PRC here, because America *is* a trainwreck at the moment, but it doesn’t take a ton of imagination to see how such a dynamic could spiral out of control.

     

    America is like a wild dog, running around frothing at the mouth and randomly biting people. I think the CCP doesn't know what to make of the entire situation.

    Remember, America has lots of nuclear weapons and long-range missiles. So even if there's quite a bit of incompetence in our society these days, China still has to take America seriously.

    Also, China owns a ton of American debt.

    Biden’s election does not help matters, considering he’s appointing people from the same milieu as the last quarter century of policy-which is going to result in pure incoherence when you mix human rights fantasists who have learned absolutely nothing from the last 30 years with private sector hacks (who love to take knees for BLM, but hate, hate, hate people who talk about Xinjiang or their own past with trade secrets) who want to restore 1990s/2000s norms. And of course, the little fact that he’s senile with a running mate who is a walking Woke Corporate stereotype.

     

    I agree.

    Unlike ordinary Americans, Xi Jinping does not have to worry about losing his job for pointing out unflattering realities about our new President and VP.

     

    Unlike many other countries throughout the world, China is a strong nation who is independent of the Anglo-Zionist axis. So they don't have to bend their knee to anyone.
  181. @JohnnyWalker123
    @nebulafox

    Koreans (like all East Asians) are pretty pragmatic people. For them, pragmatism often trumps tribalism. Also, with the growing social atomization/isolation in today's human society (especially the first world), lots of people have this mentality that you should just "do your own thing."

    Korean women are (like all East Asian women) obsessed with status and money, with a extreme fixation on Whiteness. So many don't mind marrying a Western man with a good job. Some marry other East Asians too, but usually they need to be financially well off. Since Korean women are fashionable and beautiful (with especially nice skin), plenty of men want to marry them.

    Also, since the local Korean women are so obsessed with marrying for money, less affluent local Korean men often get left on the shelf and become "incels." So for many of them, marrying a pleasant, thin, and simple girl from Southeast Asia is not a bad deal. It's sort of the equivalent of White American men marrying Russian mail order brides.

    Korean culture is still pretty strong though. So the children of these mixed marriages likely will assimilate. What Korea is permitting now is the equivalent of Anglo-America letting in lots of Southern&Eastern Euros.

    As for Korean elites, lots go to school in the West and absorb American thinking. Since Koreans are (like all East Asians) pretty conformist, they're going along with whatever ideology that America propounds. That accounts for some of the cultural shift in Korea.

    Chinese elites are more scared of the West. So they're much more careful not to put Western-educated individuals in positions of power. Therefore, the Chinese elites a high degree of insularity, xenophobia, and nationalism. They remain traditional East Asians.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox

    >Chinese elites are more scared of the West.

    After watching Antifa weirdos run wild with impunity and the bungled response to the pandemic, among other things, I’m more concerned that they think America’s too much of a train-wreck to respond to anything. I have a hard time blaming the PRC here, because America *is* a trainwreck at the moment, but it doesn’t take a ton of imagination to see how such a dynamic could spiral out of control.

    Biden’s election does not help matters, considering he’s appointing people from the same milieu as the last quarter century of policy-which is going to result in pure incoherence when you mix human rights fantasists who have learned absolutely nothing from the last 30 years with private sector hacks (who love to take knees for BLM, but hate, hate, hate people who talk about Xinjiang or their own past with trade secrets) who want to restore 1990s/2000s norms. And of course, the little fact that he’s senile with a running mate who is a walking Woke Corporate stereotype.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mississippi-police-officer-fired-for-racist-misogynistic-kamala-harris-social-media-post/ar-BB1aYNol

    Unlike ordinary Americans, Xi Jinping does not have to worry about losing his job for pointing out unflattering realities about our new President and VP.

  182. @nebulafox
    @JohnnyWalker123

    One of the refreshing aspects about this forum is that you can talk honestly about stuff like racial characteristics as the reality of life it is while trusting that the person you are talking to is a mature grown-up who understands that's not the whole story and that human beings are just human beings in the end, shaped by their own individual circumstances. Culture shapes that, but so does your socioeconomic background, your personality, the ideology you grow up with, and innumerable other factors.

    So, I pose this question back: does the North Korean government strike you as pragmatic?

    (And actually, in the constraints that their ideology imposes, they are! Or at least I'd argue they are. But that's not the point. It's hardly behavior that matches neatly to some predefined racial template of pragmatism so much as North Korea's own contingent, more immediate historical factors. And again, I'm not trying to deny that East Asian conformity isn't a thing, but it isn't some static, all-encompassing feature that dictates an individual's behavior, let alone a government's.)

    > Therefore, the Chinese elites a high degree of insularity, xenophobia, and nationalism. They remain traditional East Asians.

    What does traditional mean, though? Mainland China had thousands of years of cultural tradition damaged not that long ago in its history, with children set upon parents and elders in a deeply un-Confucian manner. It has only been recently that money caused by economic growth ceased to be enough to fill that particular void. Middle-class PRCers are responding to that in an interesting variety of ways: some embrace their own classics, sure, but some are embracing Christianity, which the PRC has to duly co-opt.

    And sometimes you have some ultra-nationalist PRC gamer ranting about WWII while happily playing his Japanese manufactured game without a lick of irony in the world. ;)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    One of the refreshing aspects about this forum is that you can talk honestly about stuff like racial characteristics as the reality of life it is while trusting that the person you are talking to is a mature grown-up who understands that’s not the whole story and that human beings are just human beings in the end, shaped by their own individual circumstances. Culture shapes that, but so does your socioeconomic background, your personality, the ideology you grow up with, and innumerable other factors.

    I agree. The quality of the discussion here is often pretty good. This topic has produced some especially insightful comments. It’s a lot better than what you find in general society or even social media.

    So, I pose this question back: does the North Korean government strike you as pragmatic?

    Well, I think NK is much more pragmatic than is often portrayed on American television. There’s a reason why the Kim regime has yet to collapse. I’m also pretty impressed that such an isolated and poor nation can produce advanced technologies, like nuclear weapons and missiles. There must be some internal strength to that nation that’s not being taken into account by foreign observers, who might have their own self-serving biases and blind spots.

    While I’m certainly not a defender of the NK regime, I think the people running the country are more sane in real life than they’re portrayed on television. If they weren’t at least somewhat rational, NK would be in far worse condition

    What does traditional mean, though? Mainland China had thousands of years of cultural tradition damaged not that long ago in its history, with children set upon parents and elders in a deeply un-Confucian manner. It has only been recently that money caused by economic growth ceased to be enough to fill that particular void. Middle-class PRCers are responding to that in an interesting variety of ways: some embrace their own classics, sure, but some are embracing Christianity, which the PRC has to duly co-opt.

    And sometimes you have some ultra-nationalist PRC gamer ranting about WWII while happily playing his Japanese manufactured game without a lick of irony in the world.

    The newly ascendant Chinese Communist Party wanted to build a new utopia in their nation, but they knew that remaking Chinese society would be a very difficult undertaking. So they assumed that by smashing the old norms of Chinese society, they could mentally “free” the citizenry and then reshape the average Chinese citizen into a “New Soviet Man.”

    That might insane in retrospect, but you have to remember that Communist ideology had empowered the CCP to defeat the Nationalists, Japanese, and even the Americans (in South Korea). So they had faith, almost comparable to religious fervor, in Communist ideology. They genuinely believed that if they eradicated the old China, they could build a Communist utopia in its wake.

    China went through very painful turmoil during the twilight of the Qing Empire. So by the early 20th century, many Chinese peasants were willing to support the Chinese Communist Party. That’s why the peasantry were willing to turn against the traditional norms (associated with the parasitic landowning class) that had been historically used to economically suppress them.

    You also have to remember that while East Asians are certainly conservative, they have a strong tendency towards conformity. So when the CCP told them to hate and destroy the old order, many just did as they were told.

    Imagine if American society was run by fundamentalist Christians. Then imagine American society collapsed into poverty, lawlessness, and chaos. Later, fundamentalist Muslims gained the confidence of the population and took power. One of their first acts probably would be destroying all the old Churches. Assuming the people were mad enough, maybe they’d go along with. Maybe the most ardent new American Islamic fanatics would be former Christian fanatics who had become disillusioned with the leaders of their old faith.

    I agree that generalizations often have exceptions. In the case of the Chinese, the Cultural Revolution is definitely a huge exception.

    After watching Antifa weirdos run wild with impunity and the bungled response to the pandemic, among other things, I’m more concerned that they think America’s too much of a train-wreck to respond to anything. I have a hard time blaming the PRC here, because America *is* a trainwreck at the moment, but it doesn’t take a ton of imagination to see how such a dynamic could spiral out of control.

    America is like a wild dog, running around frothing at the mouth and randomly biting people. I think the CCP doesn’t know what to make of the entire situation.

    Remember, America has lots of nuclear weapons and long-range missiles. So even if there’s quite a bit of incompetence in our society these days, China still has to take America seriously.

    Also, China owns a ton of American debt.

    Biden’s election does not help matters, considering he’s appointing people from the same milieu as the last quarter century of policy-which is going to result in pure incoherence when you mix human rights fantasists who have learned absolutely nothing from the last 30 years with private sector hacks (who love to take knees for BLM, but hate, hate, hate people who talk about Xinjiang or their own past with trade secrets) who want to restore 1990s/2000s norms. And of course, the little fact that he’s senile with a running mate who is a walking Woke Corporate stereotype.

    I agree.

    Unlike ordinary Americans, Xi Jinping does not have to worry about losing his job for pointing out unflattering realities about our new President and VP.

    Unlike many other countries throughout the world, China is a strong nation who is independent of the Anglo-Zionist axis. So they don’t have to bend their knee to anyone.

  183. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    What do you think of the poster "Duke of Qin?"

    He has some fairly interesting thoughts on Chinese and other East Asian peoples. Do you agree/disagree?

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Duke+of+Qin

    Replies: @Twinkie

    He strikes me as a Chinese supremacist type all too common these days on the Internet.

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