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One interesting thing about the three hard science Nobel Prizes (Medicine/Physiology, Chemistry, and Physics) is that the Swedes don’t feel much of the obligation toward diversity that everybody else seems to feel.

The first for 2017, Medicine/Physiology, has been announced and it’s three white guys born in America: Jeffrey C. Hall, Michael Rosbash, and Michael W. Young. Two were associated with Brandeis U. and one with Rockefeller U.

 
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  1. Maybe they are proof of the role of immigration in US success. What of their backgrounds? It is well known that immigrants account for the majority of US scientific laurels. (tongue in cheek)

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Romanian

    They might also be descended from African slaves. A large number of prominent scientists, engineers and inventors belong in that category, like Katherine Coleman Goble Johnson, Lucius Fox or Miles Bennett Dyson.

    OT, regarding the Las Vegas shooting.

    I think I'm not the only lazy commenter who doesn't want to spend all the energy on combing through MSM stories to get to the truth. So, I'm relying instead on you guys to inform me about the Las Vegas Shooter situation. Please don't hold back: you can reply to this comment to tell me about the race, background and motivation of the shooter, or any additional information that won't be readily available from The Unz Review's mainstream competitors.

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @theo the kraut, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Paul Jolliffe

    , @Triumph104
    @Romanian

    Michael Rosbash is the son of Jewish immigrants who fled Nazi Germany. His father was a cantor. If immigrants or their children don't account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.

    If the person who is making the Wiki pages for the laureates reads this post, please mention the high schools that they attended.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D

    , @JohnnyD
    @Romanian

    According to Wikipedia, Rosbash's parents were Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany. But in 2017, you're supposed to think this: "Because some Jewish refugees did well, we should bring in more Somalis and Mexicans."

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Neoconned
    @Romanian

    OT -- anybody want to speculate the Vegas psycho is similar to the baseball game shooter given his targets are country mysic fans?

    Replies: @EriK

  2. Don’t get too attached to science Nobels. They’re a popularity contest just like most other prizes.

    It’s only a matter of time before they become diversified like the peace prize. Only objective contests like the science and math Olympiads can be true tests of ability.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    It’s only a matter of time before they become diversified like the peace prize.
     
    Or the Google Doodle.
  3. @Romanian
    Maybe they are proof of the role of immigration in US success. What of their backgrounds? It is well known that immigrants account for the majority of US scientific laurels. (tongue in cheek)

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Triumph104, @JohnnyD, @Neoconned

    They might also be descended from African slaves. A large number of prominent scientists, engineers and inventors belong in that category, like Katherine Coleman Goble Johnson, Lucius Fox or Miles Bennett Dyson.

    OT, regarding the Las Vegas shooting.

    I think I’m not the only lazy commenter who doesn’t want to spend all the energy on combing through MSM stories to get to the truth. So, I’m relying instead on you guys to inform me about the Las Vegas Shooter situation. Please don’t hold back: you can reply to this comment to tell me about the race, background and motivation of the shooter, or any additional information that won’t be readily available from The Unz Review’s mainstream competitors.

    • Replies: @yyrvjh
    @reiner Tor

    American, white, 64 yrs old, unlikely to be a Muslim convert. So, don't hold your breath waiting for Ron Unz or his fellow "false flag" freakazoids on this website ginning up a conspiracy theory exonerating the Religion of Peace(tm).

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @Jack D

    , @theo the kraut
    @reiner Tor

    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelNewsOnline/photos/a.720637348074549.1073741829.707181749420109/940448302760118/?type=3

    Israel News Online

    Las Vegas Shooter was a Muslim Convert.

    Samir Al Hajib or Stephen paddock his former name became a convert to Islam in his 30s according to Israeli press.

    He had 8 automatic guns in his room.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dave Pinsen

    , @Barnard
    @reiner Tor

    Shooter was a 64 year old white guy named Stephen Paddock who lived in Mesquite. Mostly normal work history and owned a decent house. His brother is stunned and claims he had no military service and no strong political or religious views. Paddock sent him a text recently asking how their mother was doing. According to both the brother and a neighbor he did a lot of gambling, but I don't know if gambling losses are a motive.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940918/Details-Las-Vegas-shooting-suspect-Stephen-Paddock.html

    , @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    It will be interesting to see how the Democrat Party and their representatives in the press handle the appeals to gun control. Based upon the clips that I heard, the shooter sprayed the crowd with bursts of dozens of rounds. Either he had (illegal) fully automatic weapons or was using a semi-auto with some sort of "bump fire" device. He didn't need to be concerned with accuracy because he was aiming at a crowd. I expect that the Democrats will not let this tragedy "go to waste" and will use it to appeal for new kinds of gun control.

    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings? Even discounting for Islamic terrorism, these seem to be more common than in the past.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jim Don Bob, @Sarah Toga, @Maya, @Neoconned

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @reiner Tor

    Well, there are some questions about the basics:

    1. Two different windows at the Mandalay Bay separated by no less than nine large panes of glass were blasted in the gunfire at the crowd. The image of the exterior windows when compared with the interior image from a similar suite strongly suggests that the shots were from two different suites.

    This implies that either a) the shooter had rented two rooms and fired from multiple rooms for unknown reasons, or b) multiple shooters.

    2. Further evidence that there may have been multiple shooters comes from an abcnews video, allegedly capturing the gunfire. Note that the flashes of what is claimed to be gunfire (and probably is gunfire) is from a location seemingly much lower than the 32nd floor. (I can't now find the video, although it was easily searchable earlier in the day.)

    3. None of the Mandalay Bay housekeeping personnel have admitted seeing any weapons or anything at all unusual in Paddock's room prior to last night, yet he had checked in last Thursday. Unless he had concealed "more than ten" long arms for more than four days from hotel personnel who were in his suite on multiple occasions, those guns weren't there before last night.
    So, when and how did those guns get there? Did he leave and drive to Mesquite yesterday to retrieve his arsenal?
    Were any of the weapons found in the suite registered to Stephen Paddock?
    We know he bought a shotgun earlier this year, but no one has suggested that he used a shotgun to hit people 400 yards away.

    Did he even have any arsenal of fully automatic weapons to retrieve in the first place?

    Bringing all of those long arms into his suite by himself, concealed from everyone at the Mandalay Bay, is not impossible.

    But it seems awfully unlikely.

    With several hundred rounds fired at the crowd, there should be plenty of easily identifiable ballistic evidence traceable to the guns found in the suite. The bullets in the victims and on the ground must match the guns found in the suite.

    If any bullets/fragments do not, then logically there had to be at least one other shooter from another location.

    Perhaps the mainstream media narrative about this tragedy is essentially correct, but long-time I-Steve readers know better than to accept it on the first day.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940918/Details-Las-Vegas-shooting-suspect-Stephen-Paddock.html
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-loaded-high-capacity-magazines-found-vegas-shooters/story?id=50228093

    Replies: @Jack D

  4. Nobel in physiology, medicine awarded to three Americans for discovery of ‘clock genes’

    Don’t those genetic determinists know that clocks are a social construct?

    • Replies: @cwhatfuture
    @MEH 0910

    Three American men won for the discovery of "clock genes" but no immigrant Muslim boy won for discovering the "clock pencil box"? Who made that call?

    , @Father O'Hara
    @MEH 0910

    Isn't that what clockboy was working on?

  5. Correction: it’s Norway, not Sweden. Sweden gives an economics prize named for Nobel but not sanctioned by the Nobel Foundation.

    In general, Norwegians were unable to resist the pressure to fill vacant real estate with the highest rent payers available aka immigrants. That the vacant Real Estate was in the capital just meant ordinary Norwegians were not immediately affected, and the real estate interests lobbying for it were already tightly integrated with the Norwegian government and media.

    Today, Norway has a total of 220,000 immigrants, accounting for five per cent of the population
    http://hyllanderiksen.net/Fortnight.html

    • Replies: @george
    @George

    Whoops. Looks like the Nobel Foundation is Swedish and Norwegian but based in Sweden. The Peace prize is Norwegian only. Sorry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize#Nobel_Foundation

    My remark about filling vacant real estate trumping all other concerns applies more so to Sweden. See Malmo Sweden if you do not believe.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Sarah Toga
    @George

    . . . and what % of rape, murder, assault . . .

    , @RonaldB
    @George

    You bring up a pretty interesting point, which is that tight borders and a homogeneous population might not be consistent with the highest economic growth rate. The globalists like to cite the higher GDP associated with immigration, neglecting the more important GDP per capita, which is actually a better measure of the real benefits going to native citizens.

    But, everything has its price, and the price of a safe, culturally-homogeneous country might be a less-active economy and a lower economic standard of living. The real standard of living will be incalculably higher, with safety, open spaces, familiar surroundings and neighbors, but by economic measures, not as high. There is also the matter of the indigenous (native white) farmers and small-town artisans who provide the cultural bedrock of the country. A protected market for, say, food, will result in higher food prices (though perhaps not ruinously high), but will help preserve a real part of American culture. This is, again, a situation of trade-offs.

    The same trade-offs existed through history, certainly in the Roman Empire.
    Law of Civilization and Decay

  6. @reiner Tor
    @Romanian

    They might also be descended from African slaves. A large number of prominent scientists, engineers and inventors belong in that category, like Katherine Coleman Goble Johnson, Lucius Fox or Miles Bennett Dyson.

    OT, regarding the Las Vegas shooting.

    I think I'm not the only lazy commenter who doesn't want to spend all the energy on combing through MSM stories to get to the truth. So, I'm relying instead on you guys to inform me about the Las Vegas Shooter situation. Please don't hold back: you can reply to this comment to tell me about the race, background and motivation of the shooter, or any additional information that won't be readily available from The Unz Review's mainstream competitors.

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @theo the kraut, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Paul Jolliffe

    American, white, 64 yrs old, unlikely to be a Muslim convert. So, don’t hold your breath waiting for Ron Unz or his fellow “false flag” freakazoids on this website ginning up a conspiracy theory exonerating the Religion of Peace(tm).

    • Replies: @yyrvjh
    @yyrvjh

    "Islamic State" (IS) has claimed responsibility. I'll believe them when they show a "martyr video" in which Paddock pledges allegiance to the Caliph and announces what he's going to do. Not holding my breath for that to appear, either.

    , @Jack D
    @yyrvjh

    I blame Putin.

  7. Vegas hot takes articles coming soon:

    “Vegas shows how Asians are complicit in White Supremacy”

    “Why we need to do a way better job re-integrating sex offenders”

    “Literally it’s 2017, why are guns still even legal at all”

    • Replies: @Ram
    @27 year old

    Nikky Haley, the best example.

  8. “One interesting thing about the three hard science Nobel Prizes (Medicine/Physiology, Chemistry, and Physics) is that the Swedes don’t feel much of the obligation toward diversity that everybody else seems to feel.”

    The standards for the Nobel science prizes are so high that giving them to someone as a diversity award would elicit jeers even from people who don’t normally pay attention to the damn things. I do wonder, though, whether there was an effort at “diversity” in 2009, when 4 of the 6 prizes (chemistry, medicine, literature, and economics) had female recipients. Coincidentally or not, that was the same year Barack Obama received the Nobel even though nominations closed just months into his first term. If I ever need to remind myself of what a pretentious ass President Obama was I just recall how he hadn’t the decency to reject the damn thing. It’s also a great reminder of how leftists twist great institutions to serve their political purposes without any regard for things like, oh, truth, rules, or tradition.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Wilkey

    If Obama got the Nobel just for not being George Bush, what riches might Trump's successor be in line for?

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Wilkey

    I keep waiting for Putin to be nominated for the Peace Prize. If I sent them a letter doing so,would that count?
    This is the guy who went into Syria with two goals: kick ass and chew gum who,in short order,ran out of chewing gum and brought Obama's monstrous war to a welcomed denouement.
    I would love to see the neo's do the point and sputter 'bout that!

  9. More white guys with guns

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html

    When will white men denounce gun violence and their bad actors?

    • Replies: @james wilson
    @Tiny Duck

    After there are no ducks left to shoot.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Sarah Toga
    @Tiny Duck

    You would learn a lot reading VDARE dot com, good food for the brain and the soul.
    The following info was in a letter to the editor dated 9/29/17.
    Enjoy!

    "Are mass killings in America mostly committed by American white men? No, they aren’t.

    I’m really irritated by the constant assumption that mass shootings are predominantly committed by White American men. I’ve been collecting this info for some time.
    •2017–San Francisco (California) UPS shooting of three Americans–Asian male.
    •2017–Bogue Chitto (Mississippi) shooting of eight Americans–African-American male.
    •2017–Fresno (California) shooting of four Americans–African-American male (probably Islam related).
    •2017–Fort Lauderdale (Florida) airport shooting of five Americans–Puerto Rican male (probably Islam related).
    •2016–Los Angeles (California) party shooting of four Americans–Jamaican-African male immigrant.
    •2016–Burlington (Washington) Mall shooting of five Americans–Turkish male immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2016–Baton Rouge (Louisiana) shooting of three American police officers–African-American male.
    •2016–Dallas (Texas) shooting of five American police officers–African-American male.
    •2016–Orlando (Florida) shooting of 49 Americans–Afghan-American male (second generation) (probably Islam related).
    •2016–High Point HS (Maryland) shooting of three Americans–Asian male.
    •2015–Inland Regional Center, San Bernardino (California) shooting of 14 Americans–Pakistani-American male (second generation) & Pakistani female immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2015–Umpqua (Oregon) Community College shooting of nine Americans–half-Black male immigrant.
    •2015–Chattanooga (Tennessee) shootings of five American military men–Kuwaiti male immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2014–Alturas (California) shooting of four Americans–Native-American female.
    •2014–Springfield (Missouri) shooting of four Americans–African-American male.
    •2014–Marysville (Washington) shooting of four Americans–Native-American male.
    •2014–Santa Barbara (California) college killing of six Americans–half-Asian male immigrant.
    •2014–Fort Hood (Texas) shooting, four Americans killed–Puerto Rican male immigrant.
    •2013–Washington Navy Yard (DC) shooting, 12 Americans killed–African-American male.
    •2013–Hialeah (Florida) shooting of six Americans–Cuban male immigrant.
    •2013–Boston (Massachusetts) Marathon killings, five Americans died–two Chechen male immigrants (probably Islam related).
    •2012–Miami (Florida), three Americans shot–Haitian male immigrant.
    •2012–Oikos University (California) shooting of seven Americans–Korean male immigrant.
    •2011–Permanente Quarry (California) shooting of three Americans–African-American male.
    •2011–Carson City (Nevada) IHOP killing of four Americans–Mexican male immigrant.
    •2010–Hartford Distributors (Connecticut) shooting of eight Americans–African-American male.
    •2009–Fort Hood (Texas) shooting, 13 American soldiers killed–Palestinian-American male (second generation) (probably Islam related).
    •2009–Lakewood (Washington) shooting of four American police officers–African-American male.
    •2009–Binghamton (New York) shooting of 13 Americans–Vietnamese male immigrant.
    •2007–Virginia Tech (Virginia) shooting killing 32 Americans–Korean male immigrant.
    •2007–Salt Lake City (Utah) shopping mall, five Americans killed–Bosnian male immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2005–Red Lake (Minnesota) shooting of 10 Americans–Native-American male.
    •2004–Birchwood (Wisconsin) killing of six Americans–Hmong male immigrant.
    •2004–ConAgra (Kansas) killing of five Americans–African-American male.
    •2003–Windy City Core Supply warehouse Chicago (Illinois) in 2003, six Americans killed–Mexican male immigrant.
    •2003–Huntsville (Alabama) shooting of four Americans–African-American male.
    •2002–D.C. Sniper (Washington DC Metro Area) killing of 10 Americans–African-American male and Jamaican-African male immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2001–Navistar International (Illinois) shooting of four Americans–African-American male.
    •2000–Queens Wendy’s (New York) killing of five Americans–African-American male.
    •2000–Mi-T-Fine Car Wash (Texas) shootings of six Americans–African-American male.
    •1997–Phelon Company (South Carolina) massacre of four Americans–African-American male.
    •1996–Aurora Chuck E. Cheese (Colorado) killing of four Americans–African-American male.
    •1996–Fort Lauderdale (Florida) shooting of five Americans–African-American male.
    •1996–Tardy Furniture (Mississippi) killing of four Americans–African-American male.
    •1993–Long Island (New York) Railroad massacre, six Americans dead–Jamaican male immigrant.
    •1993–101 California Street (San Francisco) shootings of nine Americans–Ethiopian male immigrant of Italian descent..
    •1990–GMAC massacre Jacksonville (Florida) 11 Americans killed–African-American male.
    •1987–Flight 1771 massacre of 42 Americans–Jamaican-African male immigrant.
    •1973–Los Angeles gas station (California) shootings of seven Americans.
    •1964–Flight 773 massacre of 44 Americans–Filipino male immigrant."

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    When will white men denounce gun violence and their bad actors?
     
    White men do denounce violence with guns. I agree, more should also denounce Robert Redford.
  10. @27 year old
    Vegas hot takes articles coming soon:

    "Vegas shows how Asians are complicit in White Supremacy"

    "Why we need to do a way better job re-integrating sex offenders"

    "Literally it's 2017, why are guns still even legal at all"

    Replies: @Ram

    Nikky Haley, the best example.

  11. @Romanian
    Maybe they are proof of the role of immigration in US success. What of their backgrounds? It is well known that immigrants account for the majority of US scientific laurels. (tongue in cheek)

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Triumph104, @JohnnyD, @Neoconned

    Michael Rosbash is the son of Jewish immigrants who fled Nazi Germany. His father was a cantor. If immigrants or their children don’t account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.

    If the person who is making the Wiki pages for the laureates reads this post, please mention the high schools that they attended.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Triumph104


    If immigrants or their children don’t account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.
     
    Well, certain kinds of immigrants are over-represented.........

    Michael Rosbash is the son of Jewish immigrants who fled Nazi Germany.
     
    Like this Rosbash fellow......How shocking, an Ashkenazi Jew and not a Latinx......
    , @Jack D
    @Triumph104


    If immigrants or their children don’t account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.
     
    I think just calling them "immigrants" hides more than it reveals. Not all "immigrants" are created equal in the intellectual horsepower department. Letting in Michael Rosbash's dad from Nazi Germany worked out well but I'm not sure that Miguel Rodriguez is going to be winning any Nobels. Some people seem overly eager to conflate Michael with Miguel as if they are exactly the same thing and they ain't.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Father O'Hara

  12. @yyrvjh
    @reiner Tor

    American, white, 64 yrs old, unlikely to be a Muslim convert. So, don't hold your breath waiting for Ron Unz or his fellow "false flag" freakazoids on this website ginning up a conspiracy theory exonerating the Religion of Peace(tm).

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @Jack D

    “Islamic State” (IS) has claimed responsibility. I’ll believe them when they show a “martyr video” in which Paddock pledges allegiance to the Caliph and announces what he’s going to do. Not holding my breath for that to appear, either.

  13. He might not answer. Or know what you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Tony
    @eah

    Looks like he takes the schween too.

    , @Sarah Toga
    @eah

    Is this from The Onion?

    Replies: @eah

  14. I take it that none of them came here on the H-1B genius visa?

  15. @Wilkey
    "One interesting thing about the three hard science Nobel Prizes (Medicine/Physiology, Chemistry, and Physics) is that the Swedes don’t feel much of the obligation toward diversity that everybody else seems to feel."

    The standards for the Nobel science prizes are so high that giving them to someone as a diversity award would elicit jeers even from people who don't normally pay attention to the damn things. I do wonder, though, whether there was an effort at "diversity" in 2009, when 4 of the 6 prizes (chemistry, medicine, literature, and economics) had female recipients. Coincidentally or not, that was the same year Barack Obama received the Nobel even though nominations closed just months into his first term. If I ever need to remind myself of what a pretentious ass President Obama was I just recall how he hadn't the decency to reject the damn thing. It's also a great reminder of how leftists twist great institutions to serve their political purposes without any regard for things like, oh, truth, rules, or tradition.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Father O'Hara

    If Obama got the Nobel just for not being George Bush, what riches might Trump’s successor be in line for?

  16. • Replies: @Romanian
    @theo the kraut

    What is up with those scars on the back of one of those guys? Ritual self-flagellation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Maya, @Wally

    , @Maya
    @theo the kraut

    Adipose, adipose everywhere.

    I was there for a rock fest about 10 years ago, and I feel like they were less fat.
    This makes me feel old. And also thin. So an overall positive.

    Steve, are you gathering info on that shooter? An old white guy makes me think of a brain tumor. But that's because there isn't a large enough sample size for them to commonly be anything, I guess.

    What's the lesson here besides that random bad stuff happens. Don't have large open gatherings under tall buildings?

    Replies: @dr kill

  17. @reiner Tor
    @Romanian

    They might also be descended from African slaves. A large number of prominent scientists, engineers and inventors belong in that category, like Katherine Coleman Goble Johnson, Lucius Fox or Miles Bennett Dyson.

    OT, regarding the Las Vegas shooting.

    I think I'm not the only lazy commenter who doesn't want to spend all the energy on combing through MSM stories to get to the truth. So, I'm relying instead on you guys to inform me about the Las Vegas Shooter situation. Please don't hold back: you can reply to this comment to tell me about the race, background and motivation of the shooter, or any additional information that won't be readily available from The Unz Review's mainstream competitors.

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @theo the kraut, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Paul Jolliffe

    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelNewsOnline/photos/a.720637348074549.1073741829.707181749420109/940448302760118/?type=3

    Israel News Online

    Las Vegas Shooter was a Muslim Convert.

    Samir Al Hajib or Stephen paddock his former name became a convert to Islam in his 30s according to Israeli press.

    He had 8 automatic guns in his room.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @theo the kraut


    "He had 8 automatic guns in his room."
     
    I very much doubt that. According to unofficial police reports, he had some number of rifles in his room. These were almost undoubtedly semi-automatic or bolt action since federal laws make it very difficult to lawfully obtain or own any automatic weapon.

    This guy was shooting down into a crowded mass of people. He didn't need to aim, just work the action and pull the trigger. Every shot would hit someone. If he was using FMJ ammo, every shot would often hit multiple people. Over the course of the ten minutes he was firing, even a WW I bolt action rifle with sufficient clips/magazines, would allow a practiced shooter more than enough shots to wreak the carnage this man did.

    As for motive: Based on preliminary reports, I'm guessing we're dealing with another Chuck Whitman here. The pattern is almost identical.

    Replies: @james wilson, @Jack D

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @theo the kraut

    "Samir Al Hajib" sounds like another play on "Sam Hyde".

  18. @reiner Tor
    @Romanian

    They might also be descended from African slaves. A large number of prominent scientists, engineers and inventors belong in that category, like Katherine Coleman Goble Johnson, Lucius Fox or Miles Bennett Dyson.

    OT, regarding the Las Vegas shooting.

    I think I'm not the only lazy commenter who doesn't want to spend all the energy on combing through MSM stories to get to the truth. So, I'm relying instead on you guys to inform me about the Las Vegas Shooter situation. Please don't hold back: you can reply to this comment to tell me about the race, background and motivation of the shooter, or any additional information that won't be readily available from The Unz Review's mainstream competitors.

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @theo the kraut, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Paul Jolliffe

    Shooter was a 64 year old white guy named Stephen Paddock who lived in Mesquite. Mostly normal work history and owned a decent house. His brother is stunned and claims he had no military service and no strong political or religious views. Paddock sent him a text recently asking how their mother was doing. According to both the brother and a neighbor he did a lot of gambling, but I don’t know if gambling losses are a motive.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940918/Details-Las-Vegas-shooting-suspect-Stephen-Paddock.html

  19. If you look at the list of Muslim Nobelists in science the only one in Physics is Abdus Salam. Yay! Proof that modern Muslims can do physics.

    Oh wait. Salam is an Ahmadi Muslim. So he’s not a Muslim. Or he is a Muslim, well at least when you count Nobel science laureates. Otherwise Ahmadis aren’t Muslims.

    Lots of people at Unz.com don’t consider Ashkenazi Jews to be Whites. Except when they do something like win Nobels, then they’re White. It’s complicated.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    I suspect that Steve posted about this precisely because the winners were Jewish. If you've read him for a long time, you'll notice that in addition to regularly criticizing Jewish media figures and intellectuals, he tends to subtly highlight Jewish successes and accomplishments. And in his criticisms of particular Jews, he tends to characterize their actions or views as being more like innocent follies than being indicative of genuine conflict or hostility. The notion that Steve himself is anti-Semitic is mistaken, although clearly many of his readers and readers of The Unz Review are.

    Most of the readers of Unz.com howeever, many of whom are anti-Semites, don't seem to care about the Nobels or about Jews winning them.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @JohnnyD, @Moses, @Moshe

    , @Lurker
    @anony-mouse


    Lots of people at Unz.com don’t consider Ashkenazi Jews to be Whites. Except when they do something like win Nobels, then they’re White.
     
    Do you have any examples of this inconsistency?
  20. Rockefeller University, eh? The Rockefeller University is problematic because Cornelius Rhoads (who shares names with not one but two iconic, white men (one of who was the American Dream, for God’s sake!).

    Hey Steve: Can the argument be made that Rhoad’s alleged infection of Puerto Ricans with cancer was perhaps the earliest example of a so-called hate hoax? I cant think of many earlier examples which a) attained wide fame and b) continue to be widely believed to be true notwithstanding the evidence to the contrary (surely pillars of any worthy hate hoax).

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Autochthon

    Rockefeller University isn't a full-fledged university, but a medical research center. It's near Weil Cornell and Memorial Sloan Kettering on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

    Replies: @Autochthon

  21. This is an old video, but if you haven’t covered it, it’s right up your alley

  22. it’s three white guys born in America: (((Jeffrey C. Hall))), (((Michael Rosbash))), and Michael W. Young. Two were associated with (((Brandeis))) U. and one with Rockefeller U.

    There, fixed it to meet the unz.com style manual.

    • Replies: @Space Ghost
    @International Jew

    What evidence is there that Hall is Jewish? The last name alone is a weak; it's associated with English, Scottish, Irish, German, and Scandinavian backgrounds as well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Hall

    , @AM
    @International Jew

    I'd like to apologise to Unz and all the Jewish readers here. It never even occurred to want know if they were Jewish until International Jew mentioned it. Clearly I am not as obsessed as I ought be with the JQ.

    Also, it's not like Jewish paranoia made the totally obscure ((())) thing an almost universally known symbol on the 'Net.

    Pardon me for thinking this, but maybe Jews get some emotional thrills out of the JQ and encourage it.

    Nah, that can't be right. We all know anti-Semitism is bad and certainly the online Jewish community wouldn't encourage it by endlessly attracting attention to themselves, would they???

  23. This does not bode well for STEM:

    A ‘New Normal’ in STEM Teaching?
    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/10/02/aau-reports-efforts-improve-science-teaching-research-universities

    STEM education is changing, for the better, because of evidence-based reform, or so the article seems to be saying. After wading through several jargon-filled, incomprehensible paragraphs, the discerning reader starts to get the picture:

    – Universities should not condone teaching that tries to “weed out weaker students.”

    – Massive tutoring and hand holding seem to be involved, as well as grouping students together and grading for the group rather than the individuals (reading between the lines).

    – Reductions in achievement gaps have been obtained for women and minorities, sort of like the magic gap reductions in Texas and other states that diddled with tests to mash all the higher level kids at the top, vd. Le Griffe.

    – The article makes it smell like traditional faculty are being intimidated to go along with the dumbing down of courses.

    In general, it sounds like the distinction between students who can go into a class and navigate it and figure out what to do on their own initiative, and students who need to be tutored and led by the hand and prepped for exams, is being obfuscated. The ability to deal with a situation such as a traditional physics class is something that characterizes higher IQ students, and after graduation, employers want to higher them, rather than students who may have the same grades but no ability to independently handle changing, novel, and ill-defined situations on their own.

    • Replies: @StillCARealist
    @Stephen Marle

    Figuring out stuff on your own and then applying that knowledge to new situations is a hallmark of true intelligence/wisdom. The colleges are truly subversive if they want to eliminate that type of student or keep him from standing out.

    , @SimpleSong
    @Stephen Marle

    I can tell you from firsthand experience this is true in medicine. We have black residents who would be washed out of nurse assistant school based on any objective criteria that are essentially 'socially promoted.' There's not really any point in giving them feedback because they are just so far from competence, and when I've given even constructive feedback I end up being reprimanded for not being a good enough teacher. The last lines of defense are the board exams but with enough coaching (these kids get out of call to do extra studying) often they can squeak by. These are the people who will be cutting on the baby boomers.

  24. @theo the kraut
    @reiner Tor

    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelNewsOnline/photos/a.720637348074549.1073741829.707181749420109/940448302760118/?type=3

    Israel News Online

    Las Vegas Shooter was a Muslim Convert.

    Samir Al Hajib or Stephen paddock his former name became a convert to Islam in his 30s according to Israeli press.

    He had 8 automatic guns in his room.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dave Pinsen

    “He had 8 automatic guns in his room.”

    I very much doubt that. According to unofficial police reports, he had some number of rifles in his room. These were almost undoubtedly semi-automatic or bolt action since federal laws make it very difficult to lawfully obtain or own any automatic weapon.

    This guy was shooting down into a crowded mass of people. He didn’t need to aim, just work the action and pull the trigger. Every shot would hit someone. If he was using FMJ ammo, every shot would often hit multiple people. Over the course of the ten minutes he was firing, even a WW I bolt action rifle with sufficient clips/magazines, would allow a practiced shooter more than enough shots to wreak the carnage this man did.

    As for motive: Based on preliminary reports, I’m guessing we’re dealing with another Chuck Whitman here. The pattern is almost identical.

    • Replies: @james wilson
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Fully automatic. He took a long time to change clips though. Probably Charles Whitman, yes.

    , @Jack D
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    If you listen to the film clips he was firing what sounded like bursts of fully automatic fire, presumably from an illegal weapon (I guess if you are willing to kill dozens of people you might also be willing to break the gun laws). It's also possible that he was using some kind of "bump fire" device. He had no need to be concerned about accuracy. There's no way that he was squeezing off rounds at that speed manually based upon the sound.

    The 8 guns thing might or might not be true - early reports are often just plain wrong. He probably had more than 1 gun but there were clear pauses in the fire as (presumably) he stopped to change clips.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  25. @yyrvjh
    @reiner Tor

    American, white, 64 yrs old, unlikely to be a Muslim convert. So, don't hold your breath waiting for Ron Unz or his fellow "false flag" freakazoids on this website ginning up a conspiracy theory exonerating the Religion of Peace(tm).

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @Jack D

    I blame Putin.

  26. Is Hall related to the Manhattan Project scientist with soviet ties?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Goatweed

    Are you thinking of Gus Hall, the former head of the Communist Party of the USA? I don't recall any Manhattan Project spy named Hall. Hall's real name was Arvo Kustaa Halberg and he was Finnish from the Iron Range of Minnesota.

    The Nobel winning Hall was born in Brooklyn and was the son of an Associated Press reporter. I'm guessing Jewish, not Finnish and I assume no relation.

    Replies: @bomag, @syonredux, @candid_observer

  27. @theo the kraut
    @reiner Tor

    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelNewsOnline/photos/a.720637348074549.1073741829.707181749420109/940448302760118/?type=3

    Israel News Online

    Las Vegas Shooter was a Muslim Convert.

    Samir Al Hajib or Stephen paddock his former name became a convert to Islam in his 30s according to Israeli press.

    He had 8 automatic guns in his room.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dave Pinsen

    “Samir Al Hajib” sounds like another play on “Sam Hyde”.

  28. Medicine, like biology, isn’t really a “hard science”. Medicine, even less so than biology, as medicine is the youngest “science”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    They used fruit flies to isolate a gene that controls circadian rhythms. The gene they were analyzing encodes a protein that accumulates in cells at night, and then degrades during the day.

    What they were doing was basically chemistry and I would not hesitate to call it "hard science".

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    The medicine prize seems mainly to be about molecular biology and related topics these days.

  29. @Tiny Duck
    More white guys with guns

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html


    When will white men denounce gun violence and their bad actors?

    Replies: @james wilson, @Sarah Toga, @Reg Cæsar

    After there are no ducks left to shoot.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @james wilson


    After there are no ducks left to shoot.
     
    The other day I found myself driving on Redhead Avenue. I wondered how the hell a street ever got that name. Then I saw the other streets in the subdivision-- Pintail, Mallard, and Bluebill.

    Life there must be just ducky.

    Till you get the bill...
  30. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @theo the kraut


    "He had 8 automatic guns in his room."
     
    I very much doubt that. According to unofficial police reports, he had some number of rifles in his room. These were almost undoubtedly semi-automatic or bolt action since federal laws make it very difficult to lawfully obtain or own any automatic weapon.

    This guy was shooting down into a crowded mass of people. He didn't need to aim, just work the action and pull the trigger. Every shot would hit someone. If he was using FMJ ammo, every shot would often hit multiple people. Over the course of the ten minutes he was firing, even a WW I bolt action rifle with sufficient clips/magazines, would allow a practiced shooter more than enough shots to wreak the carnage this man did.

    As for motive: Based on preliminary reports, I'm guessing we're dealing with another Chuck Whitman here. The pattern is almost identical.

    Replies: @james wilson, @Jack D

    Fully automatic. He took a long time to change clips though. Probably Charles Whitman, yes.

  31. @reiner Tor
    @Romanian

    They might also be descended from African slaves. A large number of prominent scientists, engineers and inventors belong in that category, like Katherine Coleman Goble Johnson, Lucius Fox or Miles Bennett Dyson.

    OT, regarding the Las Vegas shooting.

    I think I'm not the only lazy commenter who doesn't want to spend all the energy on combing through MSM stories to get to the truth. So, I'm relying instead on you guys to inform me about the Las Vegas Shooter situation. Please don't hold back: you can reply to this comment to tell me about the race, background and motivation of the shooter, or any additional information that won't be readily available from The Unz Review's mainstream competitors.

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @theo the kraut, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Paul Jolliffe

    It will be interesting to see how the Democrat Party and their representatives in the press handle the appeals to gun control. Based upon the clips that I heard, the shooter sprayed the crowd with bursts of dozens of rounds. Either he had (illegal) fully automatic weapons or was using a semi-auto with some sort of “bump fire” device. He didn’t need to be concerned with accuracy because he was aiming at a crowd. I expect that the Democrats will not let this tragedy “go to waste” and will use it to appeal for new kinds of gun control.

    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings? Even discounting for Islamic terrorism, these seem to be more common than in the past.

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jack D


    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings?
     
    Human society has always been pretty lethal. Check out the Bible; Muhammad's efforts; Genghis Khan; Rwanda; etc. There is value, or at least a perceived value, in killing your enemies.

    Now modern tech has made the individual more lethal, and modern media has made him a celebrity.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    Bump fire stock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0f7OCnrrpk&feature=youtu.be

    , @Sarah Toga
    @Jack D

    A sweeping generalization - it used to be easier to institutionalize dangerous psychotic persons. A lot of detail and categories to that even decades ago.
    A person can be homicidal psychotic and cunning, seemingly high functioning. Maybe even charming.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Jack D

    , @Maya
    @Jack D

    Hillary already twitted something or other about gun laws and silencers. Ten hours ago.

    , @Neoconned
    @Jack D

    SEEM to be more common because the media publicizes them to the hilt.

    They were actually more common in the 80s & 90s and reached their zenith in the 1990s.

    I watch several gun YouTube channels including hickok45 & iraqveteran and youre probably right....the bumpfire you is a probable suspect as its an ATF loophole and then theres a special trigger that fires more than 1 round forget the name of it

  32. @theo the kraut
    Ot--Shiites in Bonn, Germany are having fun
    https://twitter.com/MMV_BN/status/878988298290647040

    Press report at http://www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de/bonn/stadt-bonn/Schiiten-ziehen-in-Gedenken-an-Imam-Husain-durch-Bonn-article3663696.html

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.general-anzeiger-bonn.de%2Fbonn%2Fstadt-bonn%2FSchiiten-ziehen-in-Gedenken-an-Imam-Husain-durch-Bonn-article3663696.html&edit-text=&act=url

    Replies: @Romanian, @Maya

    What is up with those scars on the back of one of those guys? Ritual self-flagellation?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Romanian

    Yes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura

    , @Maya
    @Romanian

    More likely scars from a fight or some stupid accident.

    , @Wally
    @Romanian

    "What is up with those scars on the back of one of those guys? Ritual self-flagellation?"

    They're called 'Muslim tattoos'.

  33. Now there’s a concept……merit

  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse
    If you look at the list of Muslim Nobelists in science the only one in Physics is Abdus Salam. Yay! Proof that modern Muslims can do physics.

    Oh wait. Salam is an Ahmadi Muslim. So he's not a Muslim. Or he is a Muslim, well at least when you count Nobel science laureates. Otherwise Ahmadis aren't Muslims.

    Lots of people at Unz.com don't consider Ashkenazi Jews to be Whites. Except when they do something like win Nobels, then they're White. It's complicated.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lurker

    I suspect that Steve posted about this precisely because the winners were Jewish. If you’ve read him for a long time, you’ll notice that in addition to regularly criticizing Jewish media figures and intellectuals, he tends to subtly highlight Jewish successes and accomplishments. And in his criticisms of particular Jews, he tends to characterize their actions or views as being more like innocent follies than being indicative of genuine conflict or hostility. The notion that Steve himself is anti-Semitic is mistaken, although clearly many of his readers and readers of The Unz Review are.

    Most of the readers of Unz.com howeever, many of whom are anti-Semites, don’t seem to care about the Nobels or about Jews winning them.

    • Agree: Seneca, Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Anonymous

    The winners were Jewish?

    Surely one only?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous

    Define anti-Semitic. The term - like "racist" - gets tossed around so much, I know longer know what it means.

    Mostly, it seems to mean "shut up," but I'd like to have a proper definition to work from.

    Replies: @Wally, @anonymous

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    I'm fine with just saying they're Jews when they're Jews. Feel whatever pride seems relevant.

    , @JohnnyD
    @Anonymous

    I get the impression that Steve has a lot of admiration for Jewish accomplishments and successes. But he's also willing to call Jews out for acting like a fringe minority, when in reality, they're an elite group in 2017. Steve's criticisms of Jews are actually pretty moderate and reasonable.

    Replies: @Wally

    , @Moses
    @Anonymous

    "Anti-Jew" is clearer, more direct than "Anti-Semite."

    "Semite" includes other peoples of the Levant.

    , @Moshe
    @Anonymous

    Leaving aside the washed in bukakki anti-semites, I agree about Steve and a certain amount of his commentators, who are clearly not what we would call anti-Semitic.

    In fact, I can tell you with certainty that Steve does not hate people of Jewish descent based simply upon that factor.

    I think that Steve occasionally errs in how he writes what he writes, but I believe that he is doing it on the premise that he is writing primarily for the top 10%. -- Those who, like him, have pretty sound judgement and analysis and can do it on their own about what they read.

    The truth of course is that at least 30% of the best commentators here are of some recent Jewish descent so, among gentile readers, yeah a disturbing number are antisems. BUT this is because they lack understanding and common sense.

    They notice that (((whitey))) has all the cargo and also that the world is not perfect. Deftly putting the matter together he discovers that it is (((whitey's))) fault.

    These are simple people. But Steve shouldn't change what he wants to say and how he wants to say it because of how loser idiots will use this knowledge. So until we revoke theil literacy of these people who shouldn't be writing anything and should read very little, we just have to recognize that they are there and try not to feed them. (Though truthfully I enjoy bombasting against them. I like fighting.)

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Moses

  35. @Goatweed
    Is Hall related to the Manhattan Project scientist with soviet ties?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Are you thinking of Gus Hall, the former head of the Communist Party of the USA? I don’t recall any Manhattan Project spy named Hall. Hall’s real name was Arvo Kustaa Halberg and he was Finnish from the Iron Range of Minnesota.

    The Nobel winning Hall was born in Brooklyn and was the son of an Associated Press reporter. I’m guessing Jewish, not Finnish and I assume no relation.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jack D

    I suppose he was thinking of Ted Hall.

    , @syonredux
    @Jack D


    Are you thinking of Gus Hall, the former head of the Communist Party of the USA? I don’t recall any Manhattan Project spy named Hall.
     
    Probably thinking of Ted Hall:

    Theodore Alvin Hall (October 20, 1925 – November 1, 1999) was an American physicist and an atomic spy for the Soviet Union, who, during his work on US efforts to develop the first and second atomic bombs during World War II (the Manhattan Project), gave a detailed description of the "Fat Man" plutonium bomb, and of several processes for purifying plutonium, to Soviet intelligence.[2] His brother, Edward N. Hall, was a rocket scientist who worked on intercontinental ballistic missiles for the United States government.
     

    Theodore Alvin Holtzberg was born in Far Rockaway, New York City to a devout Jewish couple, Barnett Holtzberg and Rose Moskowitz. His father was a furrier, and the Great Depression affected his business significantly. When his father's business became unable to support the household, the family moved to Washington Heights in Upper Manhattan.[2]
    Even at a young age, Theodore showed an aptitude in mathematics and science, mostly being tutored by his elder brother Edward. After skipping three grades at Public School 173 in Washington Heights, in the fall of 1937, Hall entered the Townsend Harris High School for gifted boys.[2] After graduation from high school, he was accepted into Queen's College at the age of 14 in 1940, and transferred to Harvard University in 1942, where he graduated at the age of 18 in 1944
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Hall
    , @candid_observer
    @Jack D

    Well, if Hall is Jewish, then let's just say he defies a stereotype or two.

    Here's an amusing interview with him after receiving the Nobel:

    https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2017/10/02/jeffrey-c.-hall-says-nobel-prize-'unexpected'/106251992/

    Why do I get just the funniest feeling he voted for Trump?

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  36. @Romanian
    @theo the kraut

    What is up with those scars on the back of one of those guys? Ritual self-flagellation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Maya, @Wally

  37. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @theo the kraut


    "He had 8 automatic guns in his room."
     
    I very much doubt that. According to unofficial police reports, he had some number of rifles in his room. These were almost undoubtedly semi-automatic or bolt action since federal laws make it very difficult to lawfully obtain or own any automatic weapon.

    This guy was shooting down into a crowded mass of people. He didn't need to aim, just work the action and pull the trigger. Every shot would hit someone. If he was using FMJ ammo, every shot would often hit multiple people. Over the course of the ten minutes he was firing, even a WW I bolt action rifle with sufficient clips/magazines, would allow a practiced shooter more than enough shots to wreak the carnage this man did.

    As for motive: Based on preliminary reports, I'm guessing we're dealing with another Chuck Whitman here. The pattern is almost identical.

    Replies: @james wilson, @Jack D

    If you listen to the film clips he was firing what sounded like bursts of fully automatic fire, presumably from an illegal weapon (I guess if you are willing to kill dozens of people you might also be willing to break the gun laws). It’s also possible that he was using some kind of “bump fire” device. He had no need to be concerned about accuracy. There’s no way that he was squeezing off rounds at that speed manually based upon the sound.

    The 8 guns thing might or might not be true – early reports are often just plain wrong. He probably had more than 1 gun but there were clear pauses in the fire as (presumably) he stopped to change clips.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Most common semi auto assault style rifles are specifically made difficult to convert to selective fire, but any semi auto firearm can be easily rigged for full auto only. It's a federal offense, but if you're planning a killing spree, gun laws are small beer.

  38. @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    It will be interesting to see how the Democrat Party and their representatives in the press handle the appeals to gun control. Based upon the clips that I heard, the shooter sprayed the crowd with bursts of dozens of rounds. Either he had (illegal) fully automatic weapons or was using a semi-auto with some sort of "bump fire" device. He didn't need to be concerned with accuracy because he was aiming at a crowd. I expect that the Democrats will not let this tragedy "go to waste" and will use it to appeal for new kinds of gun control.

    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings? Even discounting for Islamic terrorism, these seem to be more common than in the past.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jim Don Bob, @Sarah Toga, @Maya, @Neoconned

    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings?

    Human society has always been pretty lethal. Check out the Bible; Muhammad’s efforts; Genghis Khan; Rwanda; etc. There is value, or at least a perceived value, in killing your enemies.

    Now modern tech has made the individual more lethal, and modern media has made him a celebrity.

  39. @Anonymous
    Medicine, like biology, isn't really a "hard science". Medicine, even less so than biology, as medicine is the youngest "science".

    Replies: @Jack D, @Pericles

    They used fruit flies to isolate a gene that controls circadian rhythms. The gene they were analyzing encodes a protein that accumulates in cells at night, and then degrades during the day.

    What they were doing was basically chemistry and I would not hesitate to call it “hard science”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Well, uncovering patterns is the basis of all scientific breakthroughs. Feynman came up with QED after thinking about spinning plates in the cafeteria. Kekulé discovered the structure of Benzene after a dream of a snake biting its tail. In the harder science this can then be formalized with mathematics because the subject matter of the hard sciences is simpler than that of biology and medicine.

    Replies: @Anon 2

  40. @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    It will be interesting to see how the Democrat Party and their representatives in the press handle the appeals to gun control. Based upon the clips that I heard, the shooter sprayed the crowd with bursts of dozens of rounds. Either he had (illegal) fully automatic weapons or was using a semi-auto with some sort of "bump fire" device. He didn't need to be concerned with accuracy because he was aiming at a crowd. I expect that the Democrats will not let this tragedy "go to waste" and will use it to appeal for new kinds of gun control.

    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings? Even discounting for Islamic terrorism, these seem to be more common than in the past.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jim Don Bob, @Sarah Toga, @Maya, @Neoconned

  41. @Jack D
    @Goatweed

    Are you thinking of Gus Hall, the former head of the Communist Party of the USA? I don't recall any Manhattan Project spy named Hall. Hall's real name was Arvo Kustaa Halberg and he was Finnish from the Iron Range of Minnesota.

    The Nobel winning Hall was born in Brooklyn and was the son of an Associated Press reporter. I'm guessing Jewish, not Finnish and I assume no relation.

    Replies: @bomag, @syonredux, @candid_observer

    I suppose he was thinking of Ted Hall.

  42. @Triumph104
    @Romanian

    Michael Rosbash is the son of Jewish immigrants who fled Nazi Germany. His father was a cantor. If immigrants or their children don't account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.

    If the person who is making the Wiki pages for the laureates reads this post, please mention the high schools that they attended.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D

    If immigrants or their children don’t account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.

    Well, certain kinds of immigrants are over-represented………

    Michael Rosbash is the son of Jewish immigrants who fled Nazi Germany.

    Like this Rosbash fellow……How shocking, an Ashkenazi Jew and not a Latinx……

  43. @George
    Correction: it's Norway, not Sweden. Sweden gives an economics prize named for Nobel but not sanctioned by the Nobel Foundation.

    In general, Norwegians were unable to resist the pressure to fill vacant real estate with the highest rent payers available aka immigrants. That the vacant Real Estate was in the capital just meant ordinary Norwegians were not immediately affected, and the real estate interests lobbying for it were already tightly integrated with the Norwegian government and media.

    Today, Norway has a total of 220,000 immigrants, accounting for five per cent of the population
    http://hyllanderiksen.net/Fortnight.html

    Replies: @george, @Sarah Toga, @RonaldB

    Whoops. Looks like the Nobel Foundation is Swedish and Norwegian but based in Sweden. The Peace prize is Norwegian only. Sorry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize#Nobel_Foundation

    My remark about filling vacant real estate trumping all other concerns applies more so to Sweden. See Malmo Sweden if you do not believe.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @george

    Don't know if it's highly significant, but the Nobel Foundation was, um, founded while Sweden and Norway were still in union.

  44. @Jack D
    @Goatweed

    Are you thinking of Gus Hall, the former head of the Communist Party of the USA? I don't recall any Manhattan Project spy named Hall. Hall's real name was Arvo Kustaa Halberg and he was Finnish from the Iron Range of Minnesota.

    The Nobel winning Hall was born in Brooklyn and was the son of an Associated Press reporter. I'm guessing Jewish, not Finnish and I assume no relation.

    Replies: @bomag, @syonredux, @candid_observer

    Are you thinking of Gus Hall, the former head of the Communist Party of the USA? I don’t recall any Manhattan Project spy named Hall.

    Probably thinking of Ted Hall:

    Theodore Alvin Hall (October 20, 1925 – November 1, 1999) was an American physicist and an atomic spy for the Soviet Union, who, during his work on US efforts to develop the first and second atomic bombs during World War II (the Manhattan Project), gave a detailed description of the “Fat Man” plutonium bomb, and of several processes for purifying plutonium, to Soviet intelligence.[2] His brother, Edward N. Hall, was a rocket scientist who worked on intercontinental ballistic missiles for the United States government.

    Theodore Alvin Holtzberg was born in Far Rockaway, New York City to a devout Jewish couple, Barnett Holtzberg and Rose Moskowitz. His father was a furrier, and the Great Depression affected his business significantly. When his father’s business became unable to support the household, the family moved to Washington Heights in Upper Manhattan.[2]
    Even at a young age, Theodore showed an aptitude in mathematics and science, mostly being tutored by his elder brother Edward. After skipping three grades at Public School 173 in Washington Heights, in the fall of 1937, Hall entered the Townsend Harris High School for gifted boys.[2] After graduation from high school, he was accepted into Queen’s College at the age of 14 in 1940, and transferred to Harvard University in 1942, where he graduated at the age of 18 in 1944

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Hall

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    They used fruit flies to isolate a gene that controls circadian rhythms. The gene they were analyzing encodes a protein that accumulates in cells at night, and then degrades during the day.

    What they were doing was basically chemistry and I would not hesitate to call it "hard science".

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Well, uncovering patterns is the basis of all scientific breakthroughs. Feynman came up with QED after thinking about spinning plates in the cafeteria. Kekulé discovered the structure of Benzene after a dream of a snake biting its tail. In the harder science this can then be formalized with mathematics because the subject matter of the hard sciences is simpler than that of biology and medicine.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anonymous

    Research in science is increasingly done by teams.
    In physics Quantum Electrodynamics was discovered
    by at least four people: Schwinger, Tomonaga, Feynman, and
    Freeman Dyson (who is still alive) but the prize can only go
    to at most 3 people. The first 3 got the Prize in 1965, but
    Dyson unfortunately was left out which many think was
    a major omission. It was actually Dirac who got the ball rolling
    in the area of field theory in the late 1920s so he also deserves
    some credit. That's probably why the world is still waiting
    for a major treatise on the history of physics. Too many questions
    of priority still remain unresolved. By contrast, many histories
    of mathematics are in print.

    By the way, Quantum Electrodynamics is the most perfect theory
    known to man. It is capable of making experimental predictions
    to within 6-7 significant figures, all of which have been empirically
    verified

  46. @Triumph104
    @Romanian

    Michael Rosbash is the son of Jewish immigrants who fled Nazi Germany. His father was a cantor. If immigrants or their children don't account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.

    If the person who is making the Wiki pages for the laureates reads this post, please mention the high schools that they attended.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D

    If immigrants or their children don’t account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.

    I think just calling them “immigrants” hides more than it reveals. Not all “immigrants” are created equal in the intellectual horsepower department. Letting in Michael Rosbash’s dad from Nazi Germany worked out well but I’m not sure that Miguel Rodriguez is going to be winning any Nobels. Some people seem overly eager to conflate Michael with Miguel as if they are exactly the same thing and they ain’t.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Jack D

    With you 100% on this one Jack.

    Genes are all.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Jack D

    Is letting in Jews a good thing? How many Max Boots or Masha Whatsernames do you have to endure to get one guy who can win a Nobel when,in the current year,scientists can work together across national boundaries.
    Had Mr.Hall's family not come here,would he be selling lemons out of a pushcart? Not bloody likely.
    Our immigration base should be NW Euro only. Then we cherry pick young smarties of any ethnicity to come over.
    "You got a PhD? And you're sixteen?Get on da plane!"

  47. @George
    Correction: it's Norway, not Sweden. Sweden gives an economics prize named for Nobel but not sanctioned by the Nobel Foundation.

    In general, Norwegians were unable to resist the pressure to fill vacant real estate with the highest rent payers available aka immigrants. That the vacant Real Estate was in the capital just meant ordinary Norwegians were not immediately affected, and the real estate interests lobbying for it were already tightly integrated with the Norwegian government and media.

    Today, Norway has a total of 220,000 immigrants, accounting for five per cent of the population
    http://hyllanderiksen.net/Fortnight.html

    Replies: @george, @Sarah Toga, @RonaldB

    . . . and what % of rape, murder, assault . . .

  48. @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    It will be interesting to see how the Democrat Party and their representatives in the press handle the appeals to gun control. Based upon the clips that I heard, the shooter sprayed the crowd with bursts of dozens of rounds. Either he had (illegal) fully automatic weapons or was using a semi-auto with some sort of "bump fire" device. He didn't need to be concerned with accuracy because he was aiming at a crowd. I expect that the Democrats will not let this tragedy "go to waste" and will use it to appeal for new kinds of gun control.

    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings? Even discounting for Islamic terrorism, these seem to be more common than in the past.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jim Don Bob, @Sarah Toga, @Maya, @Neoconned

    A sweeping generalization – it used to be easier to institutionalize dangerous psychotic persons. A lot of detail and categories to that even decades ago.
    A person can be homicidal psychotic and cunning, seemingly high functioning. Maybe even charming.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Sarah Toga

    Apparently, he had no record of crime or mental illness, although his father was a felon.

    , @Jack D
    @Sarah Toga

    Everything so far indicates that this guy was seemingly within the normal range. The only unusual element is that his father was a notorious bank robber/con man so perhaps there were psychopathic genes, but they hadn't expressed themselves up until now.

    The shooter was also a high stakes gambler. Perhaps he had suffered major losses and felt he was ruined?

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel, @Anonym

  49. @Jack D
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    If you listen to the film clips he was firing what sounded like bursts of fully automatic fire, presumably from an illegal weapon (I guess if you are willing to kill dozens of people you might also be willing to break the gun laws). It's also possible that he was using some kind of "bump fire" device. He had no need to be concerned about accuracy. There's no way that he was squeezing off rounds at that speed manually based upon the sound.

    The 8 guns thing might or might not be true - early reports are often just plain wrong. He probably had more than 1 gun but there were clear pauses in the fire as (presumably) he stopped to change clips.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Most common semi auto assault style rifles are specifically made difficult to convert to selective fire, but any semi auto firearm can be easily rigged for full auto only. It’s a federal offense, but if you’re planning a killing spree, gun laws are small beer.

  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    CBS Legal Exec: No Sympathy For Vegas ‘Because Country Music Fans Often Are Republican’

    A top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold, said she “is not even sympathetic” for the victims of the shooting at a country music festival at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas Sunday night.

    “If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing,” wrote Geftman-Gold on Facebook, perhaps referring to Sandy Hook. “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters.”

    http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/

    Ms. Geftman-Gold only tolerates these types when they’re active U.S. military and slaughtering the enemies of that shitty little pseudo country founded on stolen land.

  51. Tennessee Coates and Barry Obama deserve the Fields Medal

  52. @theo the kraut
    Ot--Shiites in Bonn, Germany are having fun
    https://twitter.com/MMV_BN/status/878988298290647040

    Press report at http://www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de/bonn/stadt-bonn/Schiiten-ziehen-in-Gedenken-an-Imam-Husain-durch-Bonn-article3663696.html

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.general-anzeiger-bonn.de%2Fbonn%2Fstadt-bonn%2FSchiiten-ziehen-in-Gedenken-an-Imam-Husain-durch-Bonn-article3663696.html&edit-text=&act=url

    Replies: @Romanian, @Maya

    Adipose, adipose everywhere.

    I was there for a rock fest about 10 years ago, and I feel like they were less fat.
    This makes me feel old. And also thin. So an overall positive.

    Steve, are you gathering info on that shooter? An old white guy makes me think of a brain tumor. But that’s because there isn’t a large enough sample size for them to commonly be anything, I guess.

    What’s the lesson here besides that random bad stuff happens. Don’t have large open gatherings under tall buildings?

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Maya

    What was the distance from the window to the crowd?

    Replies: @Jack D

  53. @Stephen Marle
    This does not bode well for STEM:

    A ‘New Normal’ in STEM Teaching?
    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/10/02/aau-reports-efforts-improve-science-teaching-research-universities

    STEM education is changing, for the better, because of evidence-based reform, or so the article seems to be saying. After wading through several jargon-filled, incomprehensible paragraphs, the discerning reader starts to get the picture:

    - Universities should not condone teaching that tries to "weed out weaker students."

    - Massive tutoring and hand holding seem to be involved, as well as grouping students together and grading for the group rather than the individuals (reading between the lines).

    - Reductions in achievement gaps have been obtained for women and minorities, sort of like the magic gap reductions in Texas and other states that diddled with tests to mash all the higher level kids at the top, vd. Le Griffe.

    - The article makes it smell like traditional faculty are being intimidated to go along with the dumbing down of courses.

    In general, it sounds like the distinction between students who can go into a class and navigate it and figure out what to do on their own initiative, and students who need to be tutored and led by the hand and prepped for exams, is being obfuscated. The ability to deal with a situation such as a traditional physics class is something that characterizes higher IQ students, and after graduation, employers want to higher them, rather than students who may have the same grades but no ability to independently handle changing, novel, and ill-defined situations on their own.

    Replies: @StillCARealist, @SimpleSong

    Figuring out stuff on your own and then applying that knowledge to new situations is a hallmark of true intelligence/wisdom. The colleges are truly subversive if they want to eliminate that type of student or keep him from standing out.

  54. @Jack D
    @Triumph104


    If immigrants or their children don’t account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.
     
    I think just calling them "immigrants" hides more than it reveals. Not all "immigrants" are created equal in the intellectual horsepower department. Letting in Michael Rosbash's dad from Nazi Germany worked out well but I'm not sure that Miguel Rodriguez is going to be winning any Nobels. Some people seem overly eager to conflate Michael with Miguel as if they are exactly the same thing and they ain't.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Father O'Hara

    With you 100% on this one Jack.

    Genes are all.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Old Palo Altan

    Yes they are, and we can include the Vegas shooter, son of a violent bank robber/jail escapee who was once on the FBI Most Wanted List.

    http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/vegas-gunmans-psychopath-dad-landed-on-fbis-most-wanted-list/

  55. @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    It will be interesting to see how the Democrat Party and their representatives in the press handle the appeals to gun control. Based upon the clips that I heard, the shooter sprayed the crowd with bursts of dozens of rounds. Either he had (illegal) fully automatic weapons or was using a semi-auto with some sort of "bump fire" device. He didn't need to be concerned with accuracy because he was aiming at a crowd. I expect that the Democrats will not let this tragedy "go to waste" and will use it to appeal for new kinds of gun control.

    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings? Even discounting for Islamic terrorism, these seem to be more common than in the past.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jim Don Bob, @Sarah Toga, @Maya, @Neoconned

    Hillary already twitted something or other about gun laws and silencers. Ten hours ago.

  56. @Romanian
    @theo the kraut

    What is up with those scars on the back of one of those guys? Ritual self-flagellation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Maya, @Wally

    More likely scars from a fight or some stupid accident.

  57. @International Jew
    it’s three white guys born in America: (((Jeffrey C. Hall))), (((Michael Rosbash))), and Michael W. Young. Two were associated with (((Brandeis))) U. and one with Rockefeller U.

    There, fixed it to meet the unz.com style manual.

    Replies: @Space Ghost, @AM

    What evidence is there that Hall is Jewish? The last name alone is a weak; it’s associated with English, Scottish, Irish, German, and Scandinavian backgrounds as well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Hall

  58. @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    I suspect that Steve posted about this precisely because the winners were Jewish. If you've read him for a long time, you'll notice that in addition to regularly criticizing Jewish media figures and intellectuals, he tends to subtly highlight Jewish successes and accomplishments. And in his criticisms of particular Jews, he tends to characterize their actions or views as being more like innocent follies than being indicative of genuine conflict or hostility. The notion that Steve himself is anti-Semitic is mistaken, although clearly many of his readers and readers of The Unz Review are.

    Most of the readers of Unz.com howeever, many of whom are anti-Semites, don't seem to care about the Nobels or about Jews winning them.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @JohnnyD, @Moses, @Moshe

    The winners were Jewish?

    Surely one only?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Old Palo Altan

    Jeffrey C. Hall - maybe, probably - based on appearance, place of birth, university affiliation, etc.

    Michael Rosbash - definitely

    and Michael W. Young - definitely not.

    So at least 1 and maybe 2 out of 3.

  59. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Well, uncovering patterns is the basis of all scientific breakthroughs. Feynman came up with QED after thinking about spinning plates in the cafeteria. Kekulé discovered the structure of Benzene after a dream of a snake biting its tail. In the harder science this can then be formalized with mathematics because the subject matter of the hard sciences is simpler than that of biology and medicine.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Research in science is increasingly done by teams.
    In physics Quantum Electrodynamics was discovered
    by at least four people: Schwinger, Tomonaga, Feynman, and
    Freeman Dyson (who is still alive) but the prize can only go
    to at most 3 people. The first 3 got the Prize in 1965, but
    Dyson unfortunately was left out which many think was
    a major omission. It was actually Dirac who got the ball rolling
    in the area of field theory in the late 1920s so he also deserves
    some credit. That’s probably why the world is still waiting
    for a major treatise on the history of physics. Too many questions
    of priority still remain unresolved. By contrast, many histories
    of mathematics are in print.

    By the way, Quantum Electrodynamics is the most perfect theory
    known to man. It is capable of making experimental predictions
    to within 6-7 significant figures, all of which have been empirically
    verified

  60. @Autochthon
    Rockefeller University, eh? The Rockefeller University is problematic because Cornelius Rhoads (who shares names with not one but two iconic, white men (one of who was the American Dream, for God's sake!).

    Hey Steve: Can the argument be made that Rhoad's alleged infection of Puerto Ricans with cancer was perhaps the earliest example of a so-called hate hoax? I cant think of many earlier examples which a) attained wide fame and b) continue to be widely believed to be true notwithstanding the evidence to the contrary (surely pillars of any worthy hate hoax).

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Rockefeller University isn’t a full-fledged university, but a medical research center. It’s near Weil Cornell and Memorial Sloan Kettering on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Dave Pinsen

    I knew all that. I’m not sure how it’s relavant to my point or my question (which I posed sincerely) though.

    To be clear (since many will doubtless impute such motives to me): I’m not seeking to be snarky by this reply.

  61. @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    I suspect that Steve posted about this precisely because the winners were Jewish. If you've read him for a long time, you'll notice that in addition to regularly criticizing Jewish media figures and intellectuals, he tends to subtly highlight Jewish successes and accomplishments. And in his criticisms of particular Jews, he tends to characterize their actions or views as being more like innocent follies than being indicative of genuine conflict or hostility. The notion that Steve himself is anti-Semitic is mistaken, although clearly many of his readers and readers of The Unz Review are.

    Most of the readers of Unz.com howeever, many of whom are anti-Semites, don't seem to care about the Nobels or about Jews winning them.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @JohnnyD, @Moses, @Moshe

    Define anti-Semitic. The term – like “racist” – gets tossed around so much, I know longer know what it means.

    Mostly, it seems to mean “shut up,” but I’d like to have a proper definition to work from.

    • Replies: @Wally
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    antisemitic: any thought or person that a Jew doesn't like

    , @anonymous
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizen of a Silly Country - From my perspective as a Christian, I believe there is a simple way to explain what anti-Semitism is, but you can't do it in just a few words. If you care what I think, read on, if you don't, then don't read on. First, there is pre-Messianic anti-Semitism: under the old law, All nations were predatory, and anti-Semitism was not really a useful category, except in extreme situations, such as when the Philistines committed blasphemy against the Lord (remember how they mistreated the Ark of the Lord when King David was young) in the course of mocking the Israelites.
    --- Basically, in Old Testament days, if the Jews found favor in God's eyes, those who militarily opposed the Jews were destroyed by God; when the Jews did not find favor in God's eyes, other nations were used to punish the Jews before, eventually, being themselves punished (remember, all nations were wicked before the Lord, and all but the Jews have vanished from the face of the earth by now). After the coming of Jesus, there have been at least three types of anti-Semitism.
    --- There is the anti-Semitism of the foolish, who are told bad stories about the Jews and not told similar bad stories about non-Jews, and base their hatred of the Jews on those stories: they are led by those who want to lead them, and their sin is not really anti-Semitism, it is just generic foolishness (see the Book of Proverbs).
    --- Second, there is the anti-Semitism of the semi-intelligent (which parallels, of course, every other sort of bigotry - hatred of the English, of the Irish, of brown people, of white people, misogyny, misandry, et cetera), which is generally a function of sinful people trying to understand their world, but not giving sufficient effort at understanding, and thereby lazily and proudly focusing on one group as the primary cause of the harm they see - Jews being a frequent target, partly because of the gifts they have been given since the time of Abraham; and partly because of the efforts of intelligent non-Jews at making their own misdeeds seem like the works of Jews, when that is often or usually not the case. In any event intellectual anti-Semitism can be defined as sinful, willful hatred in the form of disproportionate anger at Jews. There is some envy with the hatred, partly because the Jews were around before Christ was born and are still around, which is not anything that any anti-Semite of the Western World can say about his nation. (As for the anti-Semites of Asia, most of whom belong to nations dating back to Old Testament times, they are mere eccentrics, whom we do not need to discuss.)
    --- The definition of anti-Semitism does not extend to those people, Jewish or not, who criticize Jews in the honest spirit that, say, Bernanos criticized the pre-war French or Waugh criticized the Churchillites of his day - that is, with a feeling of sympathy and concern, as we should all feel for each other, Christian or not. Also, arguments over whether there is such a thing as Judaeo-Christian culture, or whether Saint Paul wrote that the covenant of the Lord with the Jews continues in its fullness or not, or whether there is a reason why Jews make good physicists and not-so-good painters, do not have an anti-Semitic and a non-anti-Semitic side: they are basically intellectual arguments.
    --- Finally, a third group of anti-Semites are people who enjoy blaspheming the Lord, and who, for reasons of their own, hate Jews because, for example, the Lord was a Jew, and He has shown them His blessings for longer than their nations have existed. Such people often blaspheme the Lord by attacks on Christianity as well.
    --- Anyway, I suggest prayerfully reading all the Proverbs and Psalms, all the Gospels, and the letters of Paul, John, Jude, Peter and James, as well as excerpts from the historical books of the Bible, to better understand this subject. There are many good commentaries which discuss the place of Israel in salvation history.

    Replies: @middle aged vet . . .

  62. @Sarah Toga
    @Jack D

    A sweeping generalization - it used to be easier to institutionalize dangerous psychotic persons. A lot of detail and categories to that even decades ago.
    A person can be homicidal psychotic and cunning, seemingly high functioning. Maybe even charming.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Jack D

    Apparently, he had no record of crime or mental illness, although his father was a felon.

  63. @Old Palo Altan
    @Anonymous

    The winners were Jewish?

    Surely one only?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Jeffrey C. Hall – maybe, probably – based on appearance, place of birth, university affiliation, etc.

    Michael Rosbash – definitely

    and Michael W. Young – definitely not.

    So at least 1 and maybe 2 out of 3.

    • Agree: International Jew
  64. The Nobels most likely have a Jewish quota at about a third of all prizes. Without the quota, Jews would be winning about 75% of the science prizes.

    • Troll: EriK
  65. It appears that the Nobel Prize in Medicine is increasingly
    awarded for basically busy work (and having access to very
    expensive equipment) rather than for research of great
    significance, even compared to the ’80s or ’90s. Progress
    in medicine is slowing down. Similarly in physics and
    chemistry – glacial progress at best. Either the problems
    are getting harder or we’re getting dumber or both. I’m
    still waiting for a discovery as momentous as the discovery
    of penicillin but all I see is diminishing returns if not
    outright stagnation

    • Replies: @AM
    @Anon 2

    'Progress in medicine is slowing down. Similarly in physics and
    chemistry – glacial progress at best. Either the problems are getting harder or we’re getting dumber or both. "

    I think both is safe. The last 300 years seem to be a time of almost exponential advancement. But then people run out of easier stuff.

    Top Gear did a great episode on the worlds fastest road legal car. I think it topped 300 mph, but just barely. What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn't linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely.

    Then on the brain power side, there's a rush to get as many people as possible into the new priesthood called "Scientist." It's unlikely that those attracted to the profession today have similar skill sets to when "scientist" was potentially wasting your life on frivolity.

    Replies: @prosa123

    , @Karl
    @Anon 2

    66 Anon 2 > I’m still waiting for a discovery


    The patent is already expired....

    > as momentous as the discovery of penicillin


    sildenafil citrate.

  66. @Sarah Toga
    @Jack D

    A sweeping generalization - it used to be easier to institutionalize dangerous psychotic persons. A lot of detail and categories to that even decades ago.
    A person can be homicidal psychotic and cunning, seemingly high functioning. Maybe even charming.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Jack D

    Everything so far indicates that this guy was seemingly within the normal range. The only unusual element is that his father was a notorious bank robber/con man so perhaps there were psychopathic genes, but they hadn’t expressed themselves up until now.

    The shooter was also a high stakes gambler. Perhaps he had suffered major losses and felt he was ruined?

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    @Jack D

    Sociopathy and an affinity for high-stakes gambling are also correlated.

    , @Anonym
    @Jack D

    With his father, "neighbors couldn't believe that the colorful businessman, then 34 years old, was involved in crime." His son appears to exhibit the same ability to fit in with society, while being a psychopath.

    A psychopath with yellow fever, at the end of his life, who was willing to gamble on becoming amazingly wealthy and if not, would go down in history as the US's greatest mass murderer (although Jim Jones was a US citizen, his mass murder was outside US territory). Obviously GTA was not doing it for him.

    There are some drivers or at least "force multipliers" at play. Media gives publicity, the internet allows those who would do this to compare vs others and try to up the ante. The internet also allows one to figure out how to do things better easily. For example, to modify or hack such semi-auto weapons to be fully automatic.

    It is evident to me that it seems if one were motivated, one could "do it better" in terms of death count but I'd rather not put those ideas out there just to build geek cred. This is a bad thing. People should be able to enjoy open air concerts and gatherings.

    When stuff like this happens, I do wish they'd use another method of killing as despite guns enabling one method of killing. There will be an inevitable push to criminalize gun ownership. I think the government should have some fear of what their citizens can do, so as to be accountable. They already are well on the way to race replace us, which is a fairly hostile act.

    Replies: @Jack D

  67. @Romanian
    Maybe they are proof of the role of immigration in US success. What of their backgrounds? It is well known that immigrants account for the majority of US scientific laurels. (tongue in cheek)

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Triumph104, @JohnnyD, @Neoconned

    According to Wikipedia, Rosbash’s parents were Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany. But in 2017, you’re supposed to think this: “Because some Jewish refugees did well, we should bring in more Somalis and Mexicans.”

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @JohnnyD

    Yes, that's their "logic".
    Also: if you're not for bringing in Honduran gangbangers and Syrian army deserters, then you would have been against saving German Jews from the holocaust.

  68. @Romanian
    Maybe they are proof of the role of immigration in US success. What of their backgrounds? It is well known that immigrants account for the majority of US scientific laurels. (tongue in cheek)

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Triumph104, @JohnnyD, @Neoconned

    OT — anybody want to speculate the Vegas psycho is similar to the baseball game shooter given his targets are country mysic fans?

    • Replies: @EriK
    @Neoconned

    I think you just did.

  69. @Stephen Marle
    This does not bode well for STEM:

    A ‘New Normal’ in STEM Teaching?
    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/10/02/aau-reports-efforts-improve-science-teaching-research-universities

    STEM education is changing, for the better, because of evidence-based reform, or so the article seems to be saying. After wading through several jargon-filled, incomprehensible paragraphs, the discerning reader starts to get the picture:

    - Universities should not condone teaching that tries to "weed out weaker students."

    - Massive tutoring and hand holding seem to be involved, as well as grouping students together and grading for the group rather than the individuals (reading between the lines).

    - Reductions in achievement gaps have been obtained for women and minorities, sort of like the magic gap reductions in Texas and other states that diddled with tests to mash all the higher level kids at the top, vd. Le Griffe.

    - The article makes it smell like traditional faculty are being intimidated to go along with the dumbing down of courses.

    In general, it sounds like the distinction between students who can go into a class and navigate it and figure out what to do on their own initiative, and students who need to be tutored and led by the hand and prepped for exams, is being obfuscated. The ability to deal with a situation such as a traditional physics class is something that characterizes higher IQ students, and after graduation, employers want to higher them, rather than students who may have the same grades but no ability to independently handle changing, novel, and ill-defined situations on their own.

    Replies: @StillCARealist, @SimpleSong

    I can tell you from firsthand experience this is true in medicine. We have black residents who would be washed out of nurse assistant school based on any objective criteria that are essentially ‘socially promoted.’ There’s not really any point in giving them feedback because they are just so far from competence, and when I’ve given even constructive feedback I end up being reprimanded for not being a good enough teacher. The last lines of defense are the board exams but with enough coaching (these kids get out of call to do extra studying) often they can squeak by. These are the people who will be cutting on the baby boomers.

  70. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The insane Las Vegas Massacre.

    What the hell is going on?

    In the 90s, it was a spate of school shootings, with Columbine being most infamous.

    But that stuff is now small potatoes.

    Now, it’s concert or night-club massacres. In Paris, London, Orlando, and now Las Vegas.
    It’s like in this age of Show Biz, even the killers want to be part of some grand spectacle, esp as even pop culture has become so politicized. Look at football and kneegroes. Look how Oscars and Emmies have gotten TOTALLY politicized. They were always somewhat political but not like today. And today’s late night talk shows are Politics, Politics, Politics. Carson wasn’t like that.

    It’s Thunderdome killings.

    How fitting that it finally came to Las Vegas. But even surreal is a country concert in Las Vegas. Country is associated with rural and small town Christian values. Las Vegas is sin city.
    The killer is an older white male, the object of total hatred by PC. But some accts say he was ‘leftist’ and anti-white. Too early to tell if this was flight-from-white massacre but…

    Terror has gone showbiz. It wants to be part of the show. We had a celebrity prez with Obama, and now we got showbiz prez with the Donald. There is talk of Oprah and the Rock as runners.

    Idiocracy all around.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Anon


    Country is associated with rural and small town Christian values.
     
    I don't think this is the case anymore, at least the Christian part. Most country music has a party/drinking element to it now. Some of the Country Music awards shows have been held in Las Vegas for years.
    , @Anonym
    @Anon

    Part of it is a natural evolution of people who want infamy and are suicidal or are willing to give up their life. Since mass murders became a thing, the death count is all important. If you want to maximize your infamy, you need to be at the top of the list. If you are going to be at the top of the list, you need to be competitive, analytical and have an effective plan. Money is going to help - fortunately that will eliminate a lot of losers from contention (and most winners don't want to give up life). It is no accident that the Sandy Hook kid studied the prior art, athough it wasn't enough to get at the top of the list.

  71. @Anonymous
    Medicine, like biology, isn't really a "hard science". Medicine, even less so than biology, as medicine is the youngest "science".

    Replies: @Jack D, @Pericles

    The medicine prize seems mainly to be about molecular biology and related topics these days.

  72. @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    I suspect that Steve posted about this precisely because the winners were Jewish. If you've read him for a long time, you'll notice that in addition to regularly criticizing Jewish media figures and intellectuals, he tends to subtly highlight Jewish successes and accomplishments. And in his criticisms of particular Jews, he tends to characterize their actions or views as being more like innocent follies than being indicative of genuine conflict or hostility. The notion that Steve himself is anti-Semitic is mistaken, although clearly many of his readers and readers of The Unz Review are.

    Most of the readers of Unz.com howeever, many of whom are anti-Semites, don't seem to care about the Nobels or about Jews winning them.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @JohnnyD, @Moses, @Moshe

    I’m fine with just saying they’re Jews when they’re Jews. Feel whatever pride seems relevant.

  73. @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    It will be interesting to see how the Democrat Party and their representatives in the press handle the appeals to gun control. Based upon the clips that I heard, the shooter sprayed the crowd with bursts of dozens of rounds. Either he had (illegal) fully automatic weapons or was using a semi-auto with some sort of "bump fire" device. He didn't need to be concerned with accuracy because he was aiming at a crowd. I expect that the Democrats will not let this tragedy "go to waste" and will use it to appeal for new kinds of gun control.

    What is it about our modern era that encourages such mass shootings? Even discounting for Islamic terrorism, these seem to be more common than in the past.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jim Don Bob, @Sarah Toga, @Maya, @Neoconned

    SEEM to be more common because the media publicizes them to the hilt.

    They were actually more common in the 80s & 90s and reached their zenith in the 1990s.

    I watch several gun YouTube channels including hickok45 & iraqveteran and youre probably right….the bumpfire you is a probable suspect as its an ATF loophole and then theres a special trigger that fires more than 1 round forget the name of it

  74. @george
    @George

    Whoops. Looks like the Nobel Foundation is Swedish and Norwegian but based in Sweden. The Peace prize is Norwegian only. Sorry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize#Nobel_Foundation

    My remark about filling vacant real estate trumping all other concerns applies more so to Sweden. See Malmo Sweden if you do not believe.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Don’t know if it’s highly significant, but the Nobel Foundation was, um, founded while Sweden and Norway were still in union.

  75. I am surprised that nobody has commented on the fact that there are so many jewish nobel prize winners.
    But i think it was david duke who wrote when the nobel prize went to only one scientist the jewish uniqueness disappeared. There is lot to say about diversification in the political sphere so too science.

  76. It’s heartbreaking to see the Nobel Prize
    in Medicine increasingly awarded for piddly
    stuff like this year. There is crony capitalism,
    and now there is crony science. In other words,
    science has become as corrupt as the rest of society.
    Those of us who are in one of the technical
    fields are always complaining at conferences how
    much harder it’s become to get grants compared to
    only 20-30 years ago. These days it seems you cannot
    get grant money without having “buddies” at one of the
    grant making agencies like NIH (National Institutes of
    Health) or NSF (National Science Foundation). In other
    words, it’s not what you know but who you know. For
    example, it’s well-known that researchers on the East Coast
    can get grants more easily than people on the West Coast,
    and if you are in the flyover country, you can forget it.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    I left out the conclusion: Due to "crony science" , i.e.,
    corruption in science, Nobel Prizes increasingly are
    awarded to those who are well-connected rather than
    to the best and the brightest. It used to be that the Nobel Prizes
    in Medicine were given for genuinely great discoveries like
    penicillin or DNA. Now they award the Prizes for piddly
    stuff. Maybe there is a connection between the two trends

  77. @Dave Pinsen
    @Autochthon

    Rockefeller University isn't a full-fledged university, but a medical research center. It's near Weil Cornell and Memorial Sloan Kettering on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    I knew all that. I’m not sure how it’s relavant to my point or my question (which I posed sincerely) though.

    To be clear (since many will doubtless impute such motives to me): I’m not seeking to be snarky by this reply.

  78. listened to and watched video
    no doubt rare full auto

  79. @Anon
    The insane Las Vegas Massacre.

    What the hell is going on?

    In the 90s, it was a spate of school shootings, with Columbine being most infamous.

    But that stuff is now small potatoes.

    Now, it's concert or night-club massacres. In Paris, London, Orlando, and now Las Vegas.
    It's like in this age of Show Biz, even the killers want to be part of some grand spectacle, esp as even pop culture has become so politicized. Look at football and kneegroes. Look how Oscars and Emmies have gotten TOTALLY politicized. They were always somewhat political but not like today. And today's late night talk shows are Politics, Politics, Politics. Carson wasn't like that.

    It's Thunderdome killings.

    How fitting that it finally came to Las Vegas. But even surreal is a country concert in Las Vegas. Country is associated with rural and small town Christian values. Las Vegas is sin city.
    The killer is an older white male, the object of total hatred by PC. But some accts say he was 'leftist' and anti-white. Too early to tell if this was flight-from-white massacre but...

    Terror has gone showbiz. It wants to be part of the show. We had a celebrity prez with Obama, and now we got showbiz prez with the Donald. There is talk of Oprah and the Rock as runners.

    Idiocracy all around.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xknWZIAzBCc

    Replies: @Barnard, @Anonym

    Country is associated with rural and small town Christian values.

    I don’t think this is the case anymore, at least the Christian part. Most country music has a party/drinking element to it now. Some of the Country Music awards shows have been held in Las Vegas for years.

  80. @MEH 0910
    Nobel in physiology, medicine awarded to three Americans for discovery of ‘clock genes’

    Don't those genetic determinists know that clocks are a social construct?

    Replies: @cwhatfuture, @Father O'Hara

    Three American men won for the discovery of “clock genes” but no immigrant Muslim boy won for discovering the “clock pencil box”? Who made that call?

  81. @Old Palo Altan
    @Jack D

    With you 100% on this one Jack.

    Genes are all.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Yes they are, and we can include the Vegas shooter, son of a violent bank robber/jail escapee who was once on the FBI Most Wanted List.

    http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/vegas-gunmans-psychopath-dad-landed-on-fbis-most-wanted-list/

  82. @MEH 0910
    Nobel in physiology, medicine awarded to three Americans for discovery of ‘clock genes’

    Don't those genetic determinists know that clocks are a social construct?

    Replies: @cwhatfuture, @Father O'Hara

    Isn’t that what clockboy was working on?

  83. @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    I suspect that Steve posted about this precisely because the winners were Jewish. If you've read him for a long time, you'll notice that in addition to regularly criticizing Jewish media figures and intellectuals, he tends to subtly highlight Jewish successes and accomplishments. And in his criticisms of particular Jews, he tends to characterize their actions or views as being more like innocent follies than being indicative of genuine conflict or hostility. The notion that Steve himself is anti-Semitic is mistaken, although clearly many of his readers and readers of The Unz Review are.

    Most of the readers of Unz.com howeever, many of whom are anti-Semites, don't seem to care about the Nobels or about Jews winning them.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @JohnnyD, @Moses, @Moshe

    I get the impression that Steve has a lot of admiration for Jewish accomplishments and successes. But he’s also willing to call Jews out for acting like a fringe minority, when in reality, they’re an elite group in 2017. Steve’s criticisms of Jews are actually pretty moderate and reasonable.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Wally
    @JohnnyD

    "Jewish accomplishments and successes." ....... at others expense.


    "Some stories are true that never happened."

    - Elie Wiesel
     
  84. @reiner Tor
    @Romanian

    They might also be descended from African slaves. A large number of prominent scientists, engineers and inventors belong in that category, like Katherine Coleman Goble Johnson, Lucius Fox or Miles Bennett Dyson.

    OT, regarding the Las Vegas shooting.

    I think I'm not the only lazy commenter who doesn't want to spend all the energy on combing through MSM stories to get to the truth. So, I'm relying instead on you guys to inform me about the Las Vegas Shooter situation. Please don't hold back: you can reply to this comment to tell me about the race, background and motivation of the shooter, or any additional information that won't be readily available from The Unz Review's mainstream competitors.

    Replies: @yyrvjh, @theo the kraut, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Paul Jolliffe

    Well, there are some questions about the basics:

    1. Two different windows at the Mandalay Bay separated by no less than nine large panes of glass were blasted in the gunfire at the crowd. The image of the exterior windows when compared with the interior image from a similar suite strongly suggests that the shots were from two different suites.

    This implies that either a) the shooter had rented two rooms and fired from multiple rooms for unknown reasons, or b) multiple shooters.

    2. Further evidence that there may have been multiple shooters comes from an abcnews video, allegedly capturing the gunfire. Note that the flashes of what is claimed to be gunfire (and probably is gunfire) is from a location seemingly much lower than the 32nd floor. (I can’t now find the video, although it was easily searchable earlier in the day.)

    3. None of the Mandalay Bay housekeeping personnel have admitted seeing any weapons or anything at all unusual in Paddock’s room prior to last night, yet he had checked in last Thursday. Unless he had concealed “more than ten” long arms for more than four days from hotel personnel who were in his suite on multiple occasions, those guns weren’t there before last night.
    So, when and how did those guns get there? Did he leave and drive to Mesquite yesterday to retrieve his arsenal?
    Were any of the weapons found in the suite registered to Stephen Paddock?
    We know he bought a shotgun earlier this year, but no one has suggested that he used a shotgun to hit people 400 yards away.

    Did he even have any arsenal of fully automatic weapons to retrieve in the first place?

    Bringing all of those long arms into his suite by himself, concealed from everyone at the Mandalay Bay, is not impossible.

    But it seems awfully unlikely.

    With several hundred rounds fired at the crowd, there should be plenty of easily identifiable ballistic evidence traceable to the guns found in the suite. The bullets in the victims and on the ground must match the guns found in the suite.

    If any bullets/fragments do not, then logically there had to be at least one other shooter from another location.

    Perhaps the mainstream media narrative about this tragedy is essentially correct, but long-time I-Steve readers know better than to accept it on the first day.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940918/Details-Las-Vegas-shooting-suspect-Stephen-Paddock.html
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-loaded-high-capacity-magazines-found-vegas-shooters/story?id=50228093

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paul Jolliffe

    1. The windows are not as far apart as they seem from the zoomed in photos. The shooter must have booked 2 connecting rooms or a suite. There was only 1 shooter. Presumably he shot from 2 windows to reduce the chances of return fire or to have 2 different vantage points. This may also account for some of the pauses in the shooting.

    2. There was only 1 shooter. The rest is fog of war.

    3. He could have kept the weapons in the trunk of his car and brought them up yesterday. He could have concealed them in a golf bag or similar. The police say they found more than 10 guns in the room with Paddock. He probably didn't use them all. It sounded like he fired ONLY bursts (so these could have been semi's hacked to fully auto). For the distances involved he was obviously using rifles and not shotguns.

    Early reports are often wrong. I don't think this is going to be a complicated case - it is just what it seems to be - a highly intelligent but psychopathic lone shooter. White men can be really dangerous when they decide to take violent action because they can be highly organized and effective - they are really good at getting stuff done. Most of the time, getting stuff done means building a house or running a business but sometimes it means killing a lot of people. I am guessing that he was placed under some sort of stress that broke him such as gambling losses, or maybe he just went nuts.

    Replies: @27 year old

  85. @Jack D
    @Sarah Toga

    Everything so far indicates that this guy was seemingly within the normal range. The only unusual element is that his father was a notorious bank robber/con man so perhaps there were psychopathic genes, but they hadn't expressed themselves up until now.

    The shooter was also a high stakes gambler. Perhaps he had suffered major losses and felt he was ruined?

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel, @Anonym

    Sociopathy and an affinity for high-stakes gambling are also correlated.

  86. @Anon 2
    It's heartbreaking to see the Nobel Prize
    in Medicine increasingly awarded for piddly
    stuff like this year. There is crony capitalism,
    and now there is crony science. In other words,
    science has become as corrupt as the rest of society.
    Those of us who are in one of the technical
    fields are always complaining at conferences how
    much harder it's become to get grants compared to
    only 20-30 years ago. These days it seems you cannot
    get grant money without having "buddies" at one of the
    grant making agencies like NIH (National Institutes of
    Health) or NSF (National Science Foundation). In other
    words, it's not what you know but who you know. For
    example, it's well-known that researchers on the East Coast
    can get grants more easily than people on the West Coast,
    and if you are in the flyover country, you can forget it.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    I left out the conclusion: Due to “crony science” , i.e.,
    corruption in science, Nobel Prizes increasingly are
    awarded to those who are well-connected rather than
    to the best and the brightest. It used to be that the Nobel Prizes
    in Medicine were given for genuinely great discoveries like
    penicillin or DNA. Now they award the Prizes for piddly
    stuff. Maybe there is a connection between the two trends

  87. @JohnnyD
    @Romanian

    According to Wikipedia, Rosbash's parents were Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany. But in 2017, you're supposed to think this: "Because some Jewish refugees did well, we should bring in more Somalis and Mexicans."

    Replies: @International Jew

    Yes, that’s their “logic”.
    Also: if you’re not for bringing in Honduran gangbangers and Syrian army deserters, then you would have been against saving German Jews from the holocaust.

  88. @Maya
    @theo the kraut

    Adipose, adipose everywhere.

    I was there for a rock fest about 10 years ago, and I feel like they were less fat.
    This makes me feel old. And also thin. So an overall positive.

    Steve, are you gathering info on that shooter? An old white guy makes me think of a brain tumor. But that's because there isn't a large enough sample size for them to commonly be anything, I guess.

    What's the lesson here besides that random bad stuff happens. Don't have large open gatherings under tall buildings?

    Replies: @dr kill

    What was the distance from the window to the crowd?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @dr kill

    Something on the order of 300 to 400 yards. He would have been firing down at an angle because he was 300+ feet (100+ yards) up on the 32nd floor. An AR-15 with .223 caliber ammo is very effective at that range. He also may have had a .308. There was a crowd of thousands of people in a confined but open area (the outdoor concert venue would have been fenced so that people couldn't sneak in (or get out) so it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Fortunately, all the smoke from his weapons set off the smoke alarm in his room so they were able to figure out which room the shooting was coming from sooner than otherwise. This may have saved many lives.

    Replies: @peterike

  89. @Paul Jolliffe
    @reiner Tor

    Well, there are some questions about the basics:

    1. Two different windows at the Mandalay Bay separated by no less than nine large panes of glass were blasted in the gunfire at the crowd. The image of the exterior windows when compared with the interior image from a similar suite strongly suggests that the shots were from two different suites.

    This implies that either a) the shooter had rented two rooms and fired from multiple rooms for unknown reasons, or b) multiple shooters.

    2. Further evidence that there may have been multiple shooters comes from an abcnews video, allegedly capturing the gunfire. Note that the flashes of what is claimed to be gunfire (and probably is gunfire) is from a location seemingly much lower than the 32nd floor. (I can't now find the video, although it was easily searchable earlier in the day.)

    3. None of the Mandalay Bay housekeeping personnel have admitted seeing any weapons or anything at all unusual in Paddock's room prior to last night, yet he had checked in last Thursday. Unless he had concealed "more than ten" long arms for more than four days from hotel personnel who were in his suite on multiple occasions, those guns weren't there before last night.
    So, when and how did those guns get there? Did he leave and drive to Mesquite yesterday to retrieve his arsenal?
    Were any of the weapons found in the suite registered to Stephen Paddock?
    We know he bought a shotgun earlier this year, but no one has suggested that he used a shotgun to hit people 400 yards away.

    Did he even have any arsenal of fully automatic weapons to retrieve in the first place?

    Bringing all of those long arms into his suite by himself, concealed from everyone at the Mandalay Bay, is not impossible.

    But it seems awfully unlikely.

    With several hundred rounds fired at the crowd, there should be plenty of easily identifiable ballistic evidence traceable to the guns found in the suite. The bullets in the victims and on the ground must match the guns found in the suite.

    If any bullets/fragments do not, then logically there had to be at least one other shooter from another location.

    Perhaps the mainstream media narrative about this tragedy is essentially correct, but long-time I-Steve readers know better than to accept it on the first day.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940918/Details-Las-Vegas-shooting-suspect-Stephen-Paddock.html
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-loaded-high-capacity-magazines-found-vegas-shooters/story?id=50228093

    Replies: @Jack D

    1. The windows are not as far apart as they seem from the zoomed in photos. The shooter must have booked 2 connecting rooms or a suite. There was only 1 shooter. Presumably he shot from 2 windows to reduce the chances of return fire or to have 2 different vantage points. This may also account for some of the pauses in the shooting.

    2. There was only 1 shooter. The rest is fog of war.

    3. He could have kept the weapons in the trunk of his car and brought them up yesterday. He could have concealed them in a golf bag or similar. The police say they found more than 10 guns in the room with Paddock. He probably didn’t use them all. It sounded like he fired ONLY bursts (so these could have been semi’s hacked to fully auto). For the distances involved he was obviously using rifles and not shotguns.

    Early reports are often wrong. I don’t think this is going to be a complicated case – it is just what it seems to be – a highly intelligent but psychopathic lone shooter. White men can be really dangerous when they decide to take violent action because they can be highly organized and effective – they are really good at getting stuff done. Most of the time, getting stuff done means building a house or running a business but sometimes it means killing a lot of people. I am guessing that he was placed under some sort of stress that broke him such as gambling losses, or maybe he just went nuts.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @Jack D


    >I don’t think this is going to be a complicated case – it is just what it seems to be – a highly intelligent but psychopathic lone shooter.

    > I am guessing that he was placed under some sort of stress that broke him such as gambling losses, or maybe he just went nuts.

     

    This was pretty clearly not a "snap" type of thing. There was substantial premeditation involved.

    If it's a guy who just went nuts, he went nuts like the U of Texas tower shooter way back when. Compulsive, driven to kill, nuts with a purpose. I don't think stress causes that

    I think this guy was an anti-Trump, anti-White antifa type guy who happened to be significantly more competent than the Scalise shooter. I think this is being covered up by both from the left and "right" (including Trump). Left because obviously, right because they know the climate and they are worried about reprisals spiraling out of control.

    Replies: @Jack D

  90. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    These days it seems you cannot
    get grant money without having “buddies” at one of the
    grant making agencies like NIH (National Institutes of
    Health) or NSF (National Science Foundation). In other
    words, it’s not what you know but who you know

    I wholeheartedly agree with that statement but I reserve judgement on whether these winners are just turning cranks. I bet they deserve their prize. Also, it’s not the program officers so much as the peer-reviewers, i.e cronies. It seems US science has hit middle-aged comfort zones which doesn’t allow researchers to venture far from the pack. I saw graphene and carbon nanotubes oversold and now see metal-organic frameworks hyped the same way. My guess is that we’ve let too many mediocre thinkers into science administration and the universities.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
    @Anon

    Like the global-warming/climate change profiteers?

  91. @Romanian
    @theo the kraut

    What is up with those scars on the back of one of those guys? Ritual self-flagellation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Maya, @Wally

    “What is up with those scars on the back of one of those guys? Ritual self-flagellation?”

    They’re called ‘Muslim tattoos’.

  92. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous

    Define anti-Semitic. The term - like "racist" - gets tossed around so much, I know longer know what it means.

    Mostly, it seems to mean "shut up," but I'd like to have a proper definition to work from.

    Replies: @Wally, @anonymous

    antisemitic: any thought or person that a Jew doesn’t like

  93. @dr kill
    @Maya

    What was the distance from the window to the crowd?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Something on the order of 300 to 400 yards. He would have been firing down at an angle because he was 300+ feet (100+ yards) up on the 32nd floor. An AR-15 with .223 caliber ammo is very effective at that range. He also may have had a .308. There was a crowd of thousands of people in a confined but open area (the outdoor concert venue would have been fenced so that people couldn’t sneak in (or get out) so it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Fortunately, all the smoke from his weapons set off the smoke alarm in his room so they were able to figure out which room the shooting was coming from sooner than otherwise. This may have saved many lives.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Jack D


    Fortunately, all the smoke from his weapons set off the smoke alarm in his room so they were able to figure out which room the shooting was coming from sooner than otherwise. This may have saved many lives.

     

    It still took over an hour to get to the guy. In a casino??? Hell, if he so much as touched the Toblerone in his minibar they would know it instantly and charge him six bucks.

    Lots yet to come on this story.
  94. @JohnnyD
    @Anonymous

    I get the impression that Steve has a lot of admiration for Jewish accomplishments and successes. But he's also willing to call Jews out for acting like a fringe minority, when in reality, they're an elite group in 2017. Steve's criticisms of Jews are actually pretty moderate and reasonable.

    Replies: @Wally

    “Jewish accomplishments and successes.” ……. at others expense.

    “Some stories are true that never happened.”

    – Elie Wiesel

  95. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous

    Define anti-Semitic. The term - like "racist" - gets tossed around so much, I know longer know what it means.

    Mostly, it seems to mean "shut up," but I'd like to have a proper definition to work from.

    Replies: @Wally, @anonymous

    Citizen of a Silly Country – From my perspective as a Christian, I believe there is a simple way to explain what anti-Semitism is, but you can’t do it in just a few words. If you care what I think, read on, if you don’t, then don’t read on. First, there is pre-Messianic anti-Semitism: under the old law, All nations were predatory, and anti-Semitism was not really a useful category, except in extreme situations, such as when the Philistines committed blasphemy against the Lord (remember how they mistreated the Ark of the Lord when King David was young) in the course of mocking the Israelites.
    — Basically, in Old Testament days, if the Jews found favor in God’s eyes, those who militarily opposed the Jews were destroyed by God; when the Jews did not find favor in God’s eyes, other nations were used to punish the Jews before, eventually, being themselves punished (remember, all nations were wicked before the Lord, and all but the Jews have vanished from the face of the earth by now). After the coming of Jesus, there have been at least three types of anti-Semitism.
    — There is the anti-Semitism of the foolish, who are told bad stories about the Jews and not told similar bad stories about non-Jews, and base their hatred of the Jews on those stories: they are led by those who want to lead them, and their sin is not really anti-Semitism, it is just generic foolishness (see the Book of Proverbs).
    — Second, there is the anti-Semitism of the semi-intelligent (which parallels, of course, every other sort of bigotry – hatred of the English, of the Irish, of brown people, of white people, misogyny, misandry, et cetera), which is generally a function of sinful people trying to understand their world, but not giving sufficient effort at understanding, and thereby lazily and proudly focusing on one group as the primary cause of the harm they see – Jews being a frequent target, partly because of the gifts they have been given since the time of Abraham; and partly because of the efforts of intelligent non-Jews at making their own misdeeds seem like the works of Jews, when that is often or usually not the case. In any event intellectual anti-Semitism can be defined as sinful, willful hatred in the form of disproportionate anger at Jews. There is some envy with the hatred, partly because the Jews were around before Christ was born and are still around, which is not anything that any anti-Semite of the Western World can say about his nation. (As for the anti-Semites of Asia, most of whom belong to nations dating back to Old Testament times, they are mere eccentrics, whom we do not need to discuss.)
    — The definition of anti-Semitism does not extend to those people, Jewish or not, who criticize Jews in the honest spirit that, say, Bernanos criticized the pre-war French or Waugh criticized the Churchillites of his day – that is, with a feeling of sympathy and concern, as we should all feel for each other, Christian or not. Also, arguments over whether there is such a thing as Judaeo-Christian culture, or whether Saint Paul wrote that the covenant of the Lord with the Jews continues in its fullness or not, or whether there is a reason why Jews make good physicists and not-so-good painters, do not have an anti-Semitic and a non-anti-Semitic side: they are basically intellectual arguments.
    — Finally, a third group of anti-Semites are people who enjoy blaspheming the Lord, and who, for reasons of their own, hate Jews because, for example, the Lord was a Jew, and He has shown them His blessings for longer than their nations have existed. Such people often blaspheme the Lord by attacks on Christianity as well.
    — Anyway, I suggest prayerfully reading all the Proverbs and Psalms, all the Gospels, and the letters of Paul, John, Jude, Peter and James, as well as excerpts from the historical books of the Bible, to better understand this subject. There are many good commentaries which discuss the place of Israel in salvation history.

    • Replies: @middle aged vet . . .
    @anonymous

    wwebd said - Cymru am byth (long live Wales) - for the record (third paragraph from the end) Waugh is a Welsh name, not an English name. The most famous Waugh did not consider himself Welsh, I think, and some of the characters in his novels went completely Don Rickles on the Welsh. Bernanos, the great French novelist, actually married a direct descendant of a sibling of Joan of Arc, I think.

  96. @eah
    He might not answer. Or know what you're talking about.

    https://twitter.com/weimerica/status/914205115556421632

    Replies: @Tony, @Sarah Toga

    Looks like he takes the schween too.

  97. @Anon 2
    It appears that the Nobel Prize in Medicine is increasingly
    awarded for basically busy work (and having access to very
    expensive equipment) rather than for research of great
    significance, even compared to the '80s or '90s. Progress
    in medicine is slowing down. Similarly in physics and
    chemistry - glacial progress at best. Either the problems
    are getting harder or we're getting dumber or both. I'm
    still waiting for a discovery as momentous as the discovery
    of penicillin but all I see is diminishing returns if not
    outright stagnation

    Replies: @AM, @Karl

    ‘Progress in medicine is slowing down. Similarly in physics and
    chemistry – glacial progress at best. Either the problems are getting harder or we’re getting dumber or both. ”

    I think both is safe. The last 300 years seem to be a time of almost exponential advancement. But then people run out of easier stuff.

    Top Gear did a great episode on the worlds fastest road legal car. I think it topped 300 mph, but just barely. What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely.

    Then on the brain power side, there’s a rush to get as many people as possible into the new priesthood called “Scientist.” It’s unlikely that those attracted to the profession today have similar skill sets to when “scientist” was potentially wasting your life on frivolity.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @AM

    "Top Gear did a great episode on the worlds fastest road legal car. I think it topped 300 mph, but just barely. What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely."

    A conventionally driven car at 400 mph would outrun the driver's eyesight. In other words, if the driver saw some obstacle in the road ahead the car would hit the obstacle before the driver could react.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon, @PiltdownMan

  98. @Tiny Duck
    More white guys with guns

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html


    When will white men denounce gun violence and their bad actors?

    Replies: @james wilson, @Sarah Toga, @Reg Cæsar

    You would learn a lot reading VDARE dot com, good food for the brain and the soul.
    The following info was in a letter to the editor dated 9/29/17.
    Enjoy!

    “Are mass killings in America mostly committed by American white men? No, they aren’t.

    I’m really irritated by the constant assumption that mass shootings are predominantly committed by White American men. I’ve been collecting this info for some time.
    •2017–San Francisco (California) UPS shooting of three Americans–Asian male.
    •2017–Bogue Chitto (Mississippi) shooting of eight Americans–African-American male.
    •2017–Fresno (California) shooting of four Americans–African-American male (probably Islam related).
    •2017–Fort Lauderdale (Florida) airport shooting of five Americans–Puerto Rican male (probably Islam related).
    •2016–Los Angeles (California) party shooting of four Americans–Jamaican-African male immigrant.
    •2016–Burlington (Washington) Mall shooting of five Americans–Turkish male immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2016–Baton Rouge (Louisiana) shooting of three American police officers–African-American male.
    •2016–Dallas (Texas) shooting of five American police officers–African-American male.
    •2016–Orlando (Florida) shooting of 49 Americans–Afghan-American male (second generation) (probably Islam related).
    •2016–High Point HS (Maryland) shooting of three Americans–Asian male.
    •2015–Inland Regional Center, San Bernardino (California) shooting of 14 Americans–Pakistani-American male (second generation) & Pakistani female immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2015–Umpqua (Oregon) Community College shooting of nine Americans–half-Black male immigrant.
    •2015–Chattanooga (Tennessee) shootings of five American military men–Kuwaiti male immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2014–Alturas (California) shooting of four Americans–Native-American female.
    •2014–Springfield (Missouri) shooting of four Americans–African-American male.
    •2014–Marysville (Washington) shooting of four Americans–Native-American male.
    •2014–Santa Barbara (California) college killing of six Americans–half-Asian male immigrant.
    •2014–Fort Hood (Texas) shooting, four Americans killed–Puerto Rican male immigrant.
    •2013–Washington Navy Yard (DC) shooting, 12 Americans killed–African-American male.
    •2013–Hialeah (Florida) shooting of six Americans–Cuban male immigrant.
    •2013–Boston (Massachusetts) Marathon killings, five Americans died–two Chechen male immigrants (probably Islam related).
    •2012–Miami (Florida), three Americans shot–Haitian male immigrant.
    •2012–Oikos University (California) shooting of seven Americans–Korean male immigrant.
    •2011–Permanente Quarry (California) shooting of three Americans–African-American male.
    •2011–Carson City (Nevada) IHOP killing of four Americans–Mexican male immigrant.
    •2010–Hartford Distributors (Connecticut) shooting of eight Americans–African-American male.
    •2009–Fort Hood (Texas) shooting, 13 American soldiers killed–Palestinian-American male (second generation) (probably Islam related).
    •2009–Lakewood (Washington) shooting of four American police officers–African-American male.
    •2009–Binghamton (New York) shooting of 13 Americans–Vietnamese male immigrant.
    •2007–Virginia Tech (Virginia) shooting killing 32 Americans–Korean male immigrant.
    •2007–Salt Lake City (Utah) shopping mall, five Americans killed–Bosnian male immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2005–Red Lake (Minnesota) shooting of 10 Americans–Native-American male.
    •2004–Birchwood (Wisconsin) killing of six Americans–Hmong male immigrant.
    •2004–ConAgra (Kansas) killing of five Americans–African-American male.
    •2003–Windy City Core Supply warehouse Chicago (Illinois) in 2003, six Americans killed–Mexican male immigrant.
    •2003–Huntsville (Alabama) shooting of four Americans–African-American male.
    •2002–D.C. Sniper (Washington DC Metro Area) killing of 10 Americans–African-American male and Jamaican-African male immigrant (probably Islam related).
    •2001–Navistar International (Illinois) shooting of four Americans–African-American male.
    •2000–Queens Wendy’s (New York) killing of five Americans–African-American male.
    •2000–Mi-T-Fine Car Wash (Texas) shootings of six Americans–African-American male.
    •1997–Phelon Company (South Carolina) massacre of four Americans–African-American male.
    •1996–Aurora Chuck E. Cheese (Colorado) killing of four Americans–African-American male.
    •1996–Fort Lauderdale (Florida) shooting of five Americans–African-American male.
    •1996–Tardy Furniture (Mississippi) killing of four Americans–African-American male.
    •1993–Long Island (New York) Railroad massacre, six Americans dead–Jamaican male immigrant.
    •1993–101 California Street (San Francisco) shootings of nine Americans–Ethiopian male immigrant of Italian descent..
    •1990–GMAC massacre Jacksonville (Florida) 11 Americans killed–African-American male.
    •1987–Flight 1771 massacre of 42 Americans–Jamaican-African male immigrant.
    •1973–Los Angeles gas station (California) shootings of seven Americans.
    •1964–Flight 773 massacre of 44 Americans–Filipino male immigrant.”

  99. @Jack D
    @Sarah Toga

    Everything so far indicates that this guy was seemingly within the normal range. The only unusual element is that his father was a notorious bank robber/con man so perhaps there were psychopathic genes, but they hadn't expressed themselves up until now.

    The shooter was also a high stakes gambler. Perhaps he had suffered major losses and felt he was ruined?

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel, @Anonym

    With his father, “neighbors couldn’t believe that the colorful businessman, then 34 years old, was involved in crime.” His son appears to exhibit the same ability to fit in with society, while being a psychopath.

    A psychopath with yellow fever, at the end of his life, who was willing to gamble on becoming amazingly wealthy and if not, would go down in history as the US’s greatest mass murderer (although Jim Jones was a US citizen, his mass murder was outside US territory). Obviously GTA was not doing it for him.

    There are some drivers or at least “force multipliers” at play. Media gives publicity, the internet allows those who would do this to compare vs others and try to up the ante. The internet also allows one to figure out how to do things better easily. For example, to modify or hack such semi-auto weapons to be fully automatic.

    It is evident to me that it seems if one were motivated, one could “do it better” in terms of death count but I’d rather not put those ideas out there just to build geek cred. This is a bad thing. People should be able to enjoy open air concerts and gatherings.

    When stuff like this happens, I do wish they’d use another method of killing as despite guns enabling one method of killing. There will be an inevitable push to criminalize gun ownership. I think the government should have some fear of what their citizens can do, so as to be accountable. They already are well on the way to race replace us, which is a fairly hostile act.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonym

    I am surprised bombs are not more popular among mass killers. The military long ago figured out that if you want to kill a lot of people at once bombs are more effective than bullets. There must be some psychological factor that makes shooting more satisfying.

    Replies: @Anonym

  100. @eah
    He might not answer. Or know what you're talking about.

    https://twitter.com/weimerica/status/914205115556421632

    Replies: @Tony, @Sarah Toga

    Is this from The Onion?

    • Replies: @eah
    @Sarah Toga

    Is your question rhetorical? -- I don't think so; I did not come across it there, anyway -- nor do I know if the sentiment expressed by the person portrayed is sincere or not -- but as a wry comment and a clever play on the 'Ask your doctor about...' type of commercial, it's funny.

  101. @International Jew
    it’s three white guys born in America: (((Jeffrey C. Hall))), (((Michael Rosbash))), and Michael W. Young. Two were associated with (((Brandeis))) U. and one with Rockefeller U.

    There, fixed it to meet the unz.com style manual.

    Replies: @Space Ghost, @AM

    I’d like to apologise to Unz and all the Jewish readers here. It never even occurred to want know if they were Jewish until International Jew mentioned it. Clearly I am not as obsessed as I ought be with the JQ.

    Also, it’s not like Jewish paranoia made the totally obscure ((())) thing an almost universally known symbol on the ‘Net.

    Pardon me for thinking this, but maybe Jews get some emotional thrills out of the JQ and encourage it.

    Nah, that can’t be right. We all know anti-Semitism is bad and certainly the online Jewish community wouldn’t encourage it by endlessly attracting attention to themselves, would they???

  102. @Anon

    These days it seems you cannot
    get grant money without having “buddies” at one of the
    grant making agencies like NIH (National Institutes of
    Health) or NSF (National Science Foundation). In other
    words, it’s not what you know but who you know
     
    I wholeheartedly agree with that statement but I reserve judgement on whether these winners are just turning cranks. I bet they deserve their prize. Also, it's not the program officers so much as the peer-reviewers, i.e cronies. It seems US science has hit middle-aged comfort zones which doesn't allow researchers to venture far from the pack. I saw graphene and carbon nanotubes oversold and now see metal-organic frameworks hyped the same way. My guess is that we've let too many mediocre thinkers into science administration and the universities.

    Replies: @Sarah Toga

    Like the global-warming/climate change profiteers?

  103. @Jack D
    @Paul Jolliffe

    1. The windows are not as far apart as they seem from the zoomed in photos. The shooter must have booked 2 connecting rooms or a suite. There was only 1 shooter. Presumably he shot from 2 windows to reduce the chances of return fire or to have 2 different vantage points. This may also account for some of the pauses in the shooting.

    2. There was only 1 shooter. The rest is fog of war.

    3. He could have kept the weapons in the trunk of his car and brought them up yesterday. He could have concealed them in a golf bag or similar. The police say they found more than 10 guns in the room with Paddock. He probably didn't use them all. It sounded like he fired ONLY bursts (so these could have been semi's hacked to fully auto). For the distances involved he was obviously using rifles and not shotguns.

    Early reports are often wrong. I don't think this is going to be a complicated case - it is just what it seems to be - a highly intelligent but psychopathic lone shooter. White men can be really dangerous when they decide to take violent action because they can be highly organized and effective - they are really good at getting stuff done. Most of the time, getting stuff done means building a house or running a business but sometimes it means killing a lot of people. I am guessing that he was placed under some sort of stress that broke him such as gambling losses, or maybe he just went nuts.

    Replies: @27 year old

    >I don’t think this is going to be a complicated case – it is just what it seems to be – a highly intelligent but psychopathic lone shooter.

    > I am guessing that he was placed under some sort of stress that broke him such as gambling losses, or maybe he just went nuts.

    This was pretty clearly not a “snap” type of thing. There was substantial premeditation involved.

    If it’s a guy who just went nuts, he went nuts like the U of Texas tower shooter way back when. Compulsive, driven to kill, nuts with a purpose. I don’t think stress causes that

    I think this guy was an anti-Trump, anti-White antifa type guy who happened to be significantly more competent than the Scalise shooter. I think this is being covered up by both from the left and “right” (including Trump). Left because obviously, right because they know the climate and they are worried about reprisals spiraling out of control.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @27 year old

    Other than the fact that he shot at a mostly white (country music) audience, what evidence do you have that he was antifa? Your typical antifa is not a 64 year old accountant. I think in such a high profile case with literally world-wide interest a cover up is impossible.

    He did not "snap" last night but obviously made the decision to do this some time ago.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  104. This death/shooting count is basically one month in Chicago.

  105. @Jack D
    @dr kill

    Something on the order of 300 to 400 yards. He would have been firing down at an angle because he was 300+ feet (100+ yards) up on the 32nd floor. An AR-15 with .223 caliber ammo is very effective at that range. He also may have had a .308. There was a crowd of thousands of people in a confined but open area (the outdoor concert venue would have been fenced so that people couldn't sneak in (or get out) so it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Fortunately, all the smoke from his weapons set off the smoke alarm in his room so they were able to figure out which room the shooting was coming from sooner than otherwise. This may have saved many lives.

    Replies: @peterike

    Fortunately, all the smoke from his weapons set off the smoke alarm in his room so they were able to figure out which room the shooting was coming from sooner than otherwise. This may have saved many lives.

    It still took over an hour to get to the guy. In a casino??? Hell, if he so much as touched the Toblerone in his minibar they would know it instantly and charge him six bucks.

    Lots yet to come on this story.

  106. @Anon
    The insane Las Vegas Massacre.

    What the hell is going on?

    In the 90s, it was a spate of school shootings, with Columbine being most infamous.

    But that stuff is now small potatoes.

    Now, it's concert or night-club massacres. In Paris, London, Orlando, and now Las Vegas.
    It's like in this age of Show Biz, even the killers want to be part of some grand spectacle, esp as even pop culture has become so politicized. Look at football and kneegroes. Look how Oscars and Emmies have gotten TOTALLY politicized. They were always somewhat political but not like today. And today's late night talk shows are Politics, Politics, Politics. Carson wasn't like that.

    It's Thunderdome killings.

    How fitting that it finally came to Las Vegas. But even surreal is a country concert in Las Vegas. Country is associated with rural and small town Christian values. Las Vegas is sin city.
    The killer is an older white male, the object of total hatred by PC. But some accts say he was 'leftist' and anti-white. Too early to tell if this was flight-from-white massacre but...

    Terror has gone showbiz. It wants to be part of the show. We had a celebrity prez with Obama, and now we got showbiz prez with the Donald. There is talk of Oprah and the Rock as runners.

    Idiocracy all around.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xknWZIAzBCc

    Replies: @Barnard, @Anonym

    Part of it is a natural evolution of people who want infamy and are suicidal or are willing to give up their life. Since mass murders became a thing, the death count is all important. If you want to maximize your infamy, you need to be at the top of the list. If you are going to be at the top of the list, you need to be competitive, analytical and have an effective plan. Money is going to help – fortunately that will eliminate a lot of losers from contention (and most winners don’t want to give up life). It is no accident that the Sandy Hook kid studied the prior art, athough it wasn’t enough to get at the top of the list.

  107. @27 year old
    @Jack D


    >I don’t think this is going to be a complicated case – it is just what it seems to be – a highly intelligent but psychopathic lone shooter.

    > I am guessing that he was placed under some sort of stress that broke him such as gambling losses, or maybe he just went nuts.

     

    This was pretty clearly not a "snap" type of thing. There was substantial premeditation involved.

    If it's a guy who just went nuts, he went nuts like the U of Texas tower shooter way back when. Compulsive, driven to kill, nuts with a purpose. I don't think stress causes that

    I think this guy was an anti-Trump, anti-White antifa type guy who happened to be significantly more competent than the Scalise shooter. I think this is being covered up by both from the left and "right" (including Trump). Left because obviously, right because they know the climate and they are worried about reprisals spiraling out of control.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Other than the fact that he shot at a mostly white (country music) audience, what evidence do you have that he was antifa? Your typical antifa is not a 64 year old accountant. I think in such a high profile case with literally world-wide interest a cover up is impossible.

    He did not “snap” last night but obviously made the decision to do this some time ago.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D

    Could have been faked, but there was an Antifa social media message calling him a comrade.

  108. @Jack D
    @27 year old

    Other than the fact that he shot at a mostly white (country music) audience, what evidence do you have that he was antifa? Your typical antifa is not a 64 year old accountant. I think in such a high profile case with literally world-wide interest a cover up is impossible.

    He did not "snap" last night but obviously made the decision to do this some time ago.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Could have been faked, but there was an Antifa social media message calling him a comrade.

  109. Your typical antifa is not a 64 year old accountant. I think in such a high profile case with literally world-wide interest a cover up is impossible.

    He wasn’t an accountant. He managed apartment buildings with Mom.

    He also gambled, heavily and frequently. The girlfriend worked at the Mandalay, who is now in Tokyo.

    There is a distinct possibility he was heavily political. However, if he was not, he seems the profile of a person who might easily be involved with marginal activity that would make him a possible stooge or patsy of sorts.

    His death leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AM

    His family reported that he had no particular interest in religion or politics. If there was any hint of either the media would be flogging it. I am sure that as they get into his computers, etc. they will gain more insight into his inner life but if he had any political views he kept them well hidden. I doubt that he was anyone's stooge or patsy - seems more like a lone wolf personality to me.

    Replies: @27 year old

  110. I wonder if Steve will duck this story like he did Dylan Roof.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Anonymous

    Yeah whatever troll.

    And what commentary do you have to offer on this story:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/24/multiple-people-shot-at-tennessee-church-police-say.html

    Which I'm sure you're as conversant with as you are with the Dylann Roof story.

  111. @anony-mouse
    If you look at the list of Muslim Nobelists in science the only one in Physics is Abdus Salam. Yay! Proof that modern Muslims can do physics.

    Oh wait. Salam is an Ahmadi Muslim. So he's not a Muslim. Or he is a Muslim, well at least when you count Nobel science laureates. Otherwise Ahmadis aren't Muslims.

    Lots of people at Unz.com don't consider Ashkenazi Jews to be Whites. Except when they do something like win Nobels, then they're White. It's complicated.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lurker

    Lots of people at Unz.com don’t consider Ashkenazi Jews to be Whites. Except when they do something like win Nobels, then they’re White.

    Do you have any examples of this inconsistency?

  112. @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    I suspect that Steve posted about this precisely because the winners were Jewish. If you've read him for a long time, you'll notice that in addition to regularly criticizing Jewish media figures and intellectuals, he tends to subtly highlight Jewish successes and accomplishments. And in his criticisms of particular Jews, he tends to characterize their actions or views as being more like innocent follies than being indicative of genuine conflict or hostility. The notion that Steve himself is anti-Semitic is mistaken, although clearly many of his readers and readers of The Unz Review are.

    Most of the readers of Unz.com howeever, many of whom are anti-Semites, don't seem to care about the Nobels or about Jews winning them.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @JohnnyD, @Moses, @Moshe

    “Anti-Jew” is clearer, more direct than “Anti-Semite.”

    “Semite” includes other peoples of the Levant.

  113. @Anon 2
    It appears that the Nobel Prize in Medicine is increasingly
    awarded for basically busy work (and having access to very
    expensive equipment) rather than for research of great
    significance, even compared to the '80s or '90s. Progress
    in medicine is slowing down. Similarly in physics and
    chemistry - glacial progress at best. Either the problems
    are getting harder or we're getting dumber or both. I'm
    still waiting for a discovery as momentous as the discovery
    of penicillin but all I see is diminishing returns if not
    outright stagnation

    Replies: @AM, @Karl

    66 Anon 2 > I’m still waiting for a discovery

    The patent is already expired….

    > as momentous as the discovery of penicillin

    sildenafil citrate.

  114. @Neoconned
    @Romanian

    OT -- anybody want to speculate the Vegas psycho is similar to the baseball game shooter given his targets are country mysic fans?

    Replies: @EriK

    I think you just did.

  115. @Jack D
    @Goatweed

    Are you thinking of Gus Hall, the former head of the Communist Party of the USA? I don't recall any Manhattan Project spy named Hall. Hall's real name was Arvo Kustaa Halberg and he was Finnish from the Iron Range of Minnesota.

    The Nobel winning Hall was born in Brooklyn and was the son of an Associated Press reporter. I'm guessing Jewish, not Finnish and I assume no relation.

    Replies: @bomag, @syonredux, @candid_observer

    Well, if Hall is Jewish, then let’s just say he defies a stereotype or two.

    Here’s an amusing interview with him after receiving the Nobel:

    https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2017/10/02/jeffrey-c.-hall-says-nobel-prize-‘unexpected’/106251992/

    Why do I get just the funniest feeling he voted for Trump?

    • LOL: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @candid_observer

    candid observer:

    Only one of the Nobel triumvirate is Jewish, and it's not Jeffrey Hall.

    Thanks for bringing the USA Today video interview to my attention.

    Did you catch the very, very last images of the interview where he was profiled puffing away on a tobacco (or something) cigarette.

    I agree with your feeling that he voted for Trump (or, secondarily, an IWW write-in candidate).

    At the end of his long academic career at Brandeis he spent the latter short part of it in Maine. I suspect there was some mutual disenchantments with his Brandeis departure.

  116. @Wilkey
    "One interesting thing about the three hard science Nobel Prizes (Medicine/Physiology, Chemistry, and Physics) is that the Swedes don’t feel much of the obligation toward diversity that everybody else seems to feel."

    The standards for the Nobel science prizes are so high that giving them to someone as a diversity award would elicit jeers even from people who don't normally pay attention to the damn things. I do wonder, though, whether there was an effort at "diversity" in 2009, when 4 of the 6 prizes (chemistry, medicine, literature, and economics) had female recipients. Coincidentally or not, that was the same year Barack Obama received the Nobel even though nominations closed just months into his first term. If I ever need to remind myself of what a pretentious ass President Obama was I just recall how he hadn't the decency to reject the damn thing. It's also a great reminder of how leftists twist great institutions to serve their political purposes without any regard for things like, oh, truth, rules, or tradition.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Father O'Hara

    I keep waiting for Putin to be nominated for the Peace Prize. If I sent them a letter doing so,would that count?
    This is the guy who went into Syria with two goals: kick ass and chew gum who,in short order,ran out of chewing gum and brought Obama’s monstrous war to a welcomed denouement.
    I would love to see the neo’s do the point and sputter ’bout that!

  117. According to his biography, when Glenn Seaborg won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry the Swedes were quite pleased. The fact that it was for inventing Plutonium was beside the point. Or maybe, it wasn’t.

  118. @Jack D
    @Triumph104


    If immigrants or their children don’t account for the majority of US scientific laurels, they certainly are overrepresented.
     
    I think just calling them "immigrants" hides more than it reveals. Not all "immigrants" are created equal in the intellectual horsepower department. Letting in Michael Rosbash's dad from Nazi Germany worked out well but I'm not sure that Miguel Rodriguez is going to be winning any Nobels. Some people seem overly eager to conflate Michael with Miguel as if they are exactly the same thing and they ain't.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Father O'Hara

    Is letting in Jews a good thing? How many Max Boots or Masha Whatsernames do you have to endure to get one guy who can win a Nobel when,in the current year,scientists can work together across national boundaries.
    Had Mr.Hall’s family not come here,would he be selling lemons out of a pushcart? Not bloody likely.
    Our immigration base should be NW Euro only. Then we cherry pick young smarties of any ethnicity to come over.
    “You got a PhD? And you’re sixteen?Get on da plane!”

  119. @AM
    @Anon 2

    'Progress in medicine is slowing down. Similarly in physics and
    chemistry – glacial progress at best. Either the problems are getting harder or we’re getting dumber or both. "

    I think both is safe. The last 300 years seem to be a time of almost exponential advancement. But then people run out of easier stuff.

    Top Gear did a great episode on the worlds fastest road legal car. I think it topped 300 mph, but just barely. What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn't linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely.

    Then on the brain power side, there's a rush to get as many people as possible into the new priesthood called "Scientist." It's unlikely that those attracted to the profession today have similar skill sets to when "scientist" was potentially wasting your life on frivolity.

    Replies: @prosa123

    “Top Gear did a great episode on the worlds fastest road legal car. I think it topped 300 mph, but just barely. What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely.”

    A conventionally driven car at 400 mph would outrun the driver’s eyesight. In other words, if the driver saw some obstacle in the road ahead the car would hit the obstacle before the driver could react.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @prosa123

    Volkswagen made a 400 kph supercar in the early 2000s, the Veyeron???, and it put a dent in corporate profits just doing all the engineering.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @AM

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @prosa123

    At high speeds you run into various physical/physiological limits. Same with aircraft - fighter jet speeds are more or less the same now as in a 1960s jet like the Mirage or F111. Even with reactive suits to cram your blood into the right areas you can't hit too high G for very long.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force#Vertical


    (Also with a car keeping it from turning into an aircraft becomes more tricky at high speeds)

    , @PiltdownMan
    @prosa123


    What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely.”
     
    The power needed to push an object through a fluid (such a car through the air surrounding it) increases as the cube of its velocity.

    If it takes eight times as much horsepower to move a car at a (hypothetical) 400 mph as it does at 200 mph.

    If a Bugatti Veyron needs all of its 1001 bhp output to move at its top speed 250 mph, a Bugatti Veyron would need a 4,101 bhp capable engine to move it at 400 mph, all else being equal.

    Replies: @Jack D

  120. @Anonymous
    I wonder if Steve will duck this story like he did Dylan Roof.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Yeah whatever troll.

    And what commentary do you have to offer on this story:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/24/multiple-people-shot-at-tennessee-church-police-say.html

    Which I’m sure you’re as conversant with as you are with the Dylann Roof story.

  121. @candid_observer
    @Jack D

    Well, if Hall is Jewish, then let's just say he defies a stereotype or two.

    Here's an amusing interview with him after receiving the Nobel:

    https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2017/10/02/jeffrey-c.-hall-says-nobel-prize-'unexpected'/106251992/

    Why do I get just the funniest feeling he voted for Trump?

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    candid observer:

    Only one of the Nobel triumvirate is Jewish, and it’s not Jeffrey Hall.

    Thanks for bringing the USA Today video interview to my attention.

    Did you catch the very, very last images of the interview where he was profiled puffing away on a tobacco (or something) cigarette.

    I agree with your feeling that he voted for Trump (or, secondarily, an IWW write-in candidate).

    At the end of his long academic career at Brandeis he spent the latter short part of it in Maine. I suspect there was some mutual disenchantments with his Brandeis departure.

  122. Moshe says:
    @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    I suspect that Steve posted about this precisely because the winners were Jewish. If you've read him for a long time, you'll notice that in addition to regularly criticizing Jewish media figures and intellectuals, he tends to subtly highlight Jewish successes and accomplishments. And in his criticisms of particular Jews, he tends to characterize their actions or views as being more like innocent follies than being indicative of genuine conflict or hostility. The notion that Steve himself is anti-Semitic is mistaken, although clearly many of his readers and readers of The Unz Review are.

    Most of the readers of Unz.com howeever, many of whom are anti-Semites, don't seem to care about the Nobels or about Jews winning them.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @JohnnyD, @Moses, @Moshe

    Leaving aside the washed in bukakki anti-semites, I agree about Steve and a certain amount of his commentators, who are clearly not what we would call anti-Semitic.

    In fact, I can tell you with certainty that Steve does not hate people of Jewish descent based simply upon that factor.

    I think that Steve occasionally errs in how he writes what he writes, but I believe that he is doing it on the premise that he is writing primarily for the top 10%. — Those who, like him, have pretty sound judgement and analysis and can do it on their own about what they read.

    The truth of course is that at least 30% of the best commentators here are of some recent Jewish descent so, among gentile readers, yeah a disturbing number are antisems. BUT this is because they lack understanding and common sense.

    They notice that (((whitey))) has all the cargo and also that the world is not perfect. Deftly putting the matter together he discovers that it is (((whitey’s))) fault.

    These are simple people. But Steve shouldn’t change what he wants to say and how he wants to say it because of how loser idiots will use this knowledge. So until we revoke theil literacy of these people who shouldn’t be writing anything and should read very little, we just have to recognize that they are there and try not to feed them. (Though truthfully I enjoy bombasting against them. I like fighting.)

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Moshe

    I think the expressions "anti-Semitic" or "antisemitic" or "anti-Jewish" etc. are quite unhelpful for understanding. I have encountered a similar expression with Hungarian nationalists, "magyarellenes" (literally "Hungarian-opposer", anti-Hungarian), which is often used but is extremely unhelpful for understanding. For example Hungarian nationalists will label anyone anti-Hungarian who demolishes a Hungarian national myth (for example if a historian uncovers corruption or some kind of personal failing on the part of a Hungarian national hero, or his research leads him to conclude that Hungarians or the Hungarian government in the past did not always behave in an exemplary fashion, to the contrary), which I never found quite persuasive. (But then again, maybe it's only because I'm a sperg.) I mean, quite obviously, there's a matter of reality: if the Hungarian national hero really was a fallible human, then what should a historian write about him? Should he conceal the truth? Similarly, if Hungarians really did do something bad, then what should an honest historian write? Or similarly, about the present age, if someone discovers something bad about Hungarians (like Hungarians cheat their taxes more often than West Europeans), what should he write or say? Should he conceal the truth?

    I don't think you can label "anti-Semitic" opinions which simply say something bad about Jews, regardless of merit. For example a case could be made that Jews are in general to the left of even their liberal leftist peers when it comes to race replacement immigration or opposition to even the slightest forms of white ethnic consciousness. Maybe it's wrong, but I think there's enough evidence for it not to dismiss it out of hand. In other words, those who believe it (like yours truly), might be wrong, but they are not obviously wrong, blinded by hatred of Jews. Of course, someone blinded by hatred would also tend to believe any and all bad things about Jews. It's just that you cannot simply infer from that opinion such a strong underlying hatred as the root cause of the opinion.



    It's also obvious that most valid criticism of Jews is both mild and strong. Mild in the sense that I think no reasonable person can believe that each Jew is foaming from the mouth while dreaming of murder white gentile gals and boys 24/7. Probably most Jews don't hate white gentiles very strongly, they just have a relatively strong unease about and aversion to white gentile ethnic and racial consciousness. It was so even before the holocaust, but Hitler & Co. probably didn't help that. However, the criticism is also strong, because - due to their high IQ and their concentration in the entertainment industries and academia - they tend to dominate Western culture, especially since 1945, and so - at least in the eyes of racially and ethnically conscious whites, and those who think this leftism won't end well - they are pulling the rest of us in the wrong direction. The strength of its effects can be debated - maybe it's small, and the same or similar things would be happening in the absence of Jews -, but at least you cannot dismiss it out of hand. And so Jews might actually be criticized for the whole or most of the multicultural/leftist/etc. madness. In other words, Jews might be criticized for actually being the catalysts of the destruction of the West.

    It gets worse: some Jews are doing it honestly and in an intellectually consistent way, promoting destruction for both Jews and non-Jews. But many others are not so consistent: Sheldon Adelson or Larry Ellison promoting mass immigration (in America) and a Jewish ethnostate (in Israel) seem a little bit hypocritical. These guys must have some understanding on some level that an ethnostate is a good thing (for the ethnic group in question), but mass immigration is bad (for the dominant ethnic group). I understand that that doesn't necessarily involve conscious hypocrisy, after all, humans are capable of holding contradictory and logically inconsistent opinions. Humans don't always know their own motivation.

    Assuming that all of the above is true (I admit some or all points might be up for debate, and of course my biases could lead me in the wrong way - though I used to be more or less philosemitic some 15 years ago, maybe I developed irrational anti-Jewish animus and just found rationalizations for it, instead of - as I believe - holding these opinions after dispassionately analyzing the available facts), there is also a question of what to do. Some people (usually philosemites, but occasionally people disliking Jews, too) think that if Jews have caused so many problems, then they must all be killed (Hitler obviously thought that), or at least gentiles will obviously want to kill or at least deport them. I don't think so.

    First, there is the historical example of Hitler - he needed a totalitarian dictatorship to implement his mass murderous policies. It's well documented that most Germans went along with it quite uneasily (little consolation for the victims, but quite reassuring that in the absence of a totalitarian dictatorship it wouldn't have happened - Germany was not Rwanda, after all). Non-Germans were also often pressured into participation by Germans (for example they were often recruited from among Soviet POWs, whose life expectancy otherwise wasn't too high).

    I also think humans' behaviors are influenced by circumstances, and in a climate where Jews could be easily criticized for their behavior, their behavior would change. Given how Jews are capable of great achievements (in the sciences, music, etc.), the equation might profoundly change. Of course, cohabitation of different ethnic groups is always going to be difficult (for example Hungarians have massacred, as well as have been massacred by, a few neighboring peoples occasionally, like Serbs or Romanians), but oppression of any and all criticism of an ethnic group (while some other ethnic groups can still easily be criticized) doesn't strike me as a particularly stable long-term solution. Also, it might make it impossible to stop the current descent of Western Civilization into the multiculturalist chaos.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Moses
    @Moshe


    Leaving aside the washed in bukakki anti-semites

     

    Nice image.

    Seriously though, it seems to me that "Anti-Semite" is used as an all-purpose slur in an attempt to marginalize anyone even mildly critical of Jewish behavior. Much like "racist." These are words used to freeze and isolate another person's views and stop conversation.

    Labeling and slurs get in the way of a reasoned discourse. But maybe that's the point.

    (What does "Anti-Semite" mean, anyway? Can anyone provide a simple definition? And why isn't the expression simply "Anti-Jew?")

    Replies: @Jack D

  123. @Sarah Toga
    @eah

    Is this from The Onion?

    Replies: @eah

    Is your question rhetorical? — I don’t think so; I did not come across it there, anyway — nor do I know if the sentiment expressed by the person portrayed is sincere or not — but as a wry comment and a clever play on the ‘Ask your doctor about…’ type of commercial, it’s funny.

  124. Come on. Jewish in-group behavior has been the norm at Nobel for decades. It is not what you accomplished, but whether you are a tribesman that gets you that prize in the hard sciences. Really has been that way from the very beginning.

    Not many non-Jew scientists even take it seriously anymore. It is a joke.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Get real

    Maybe the non-Jews could get together and have a non-Jewish physics of their own that is not tainted by the tribalist thinking of Einstein and his Jewish cabal. You could give out prizes to anyone who proves the existence of the luminiferous ether. That worked out real well the last time.

  125. @prosa123
    @AM

    "Top Gear did a great episode on the worlds fastest road legal car. I think it topped 300 mph, but just barely. What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely."

    A conventionally driven car at 400 mph would outrun the driver's eyesight. In other words, if the driver saw some obstacle in the road ahead the car would hit the obstacle before the driver could react.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon, @PiltdownMan

    Volkswagen made a 400 kph supercar in the early 2000s, the Veyeron???, and it put a dent in corporate profits just doing all the engineering.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, the Bugatti Veyron.

    If these supercars are money losers, but are kept in production anyway for some dubious marketing rationale, then that's another way how middle class customers are subsidizing the super-rich.

    , @AM
    @Steve Sailer

    That's the car Top Gear profiled.

  126. @Steve Sailer
    @prosa123

    Volkswagen made a 400 kph supercar in the early 2000s, the Veyeron???, and it put a dent in corporate profits just doing all the engineering.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @AM

    Yes, the Bugatti Veyron.

    If these supercars are money losers, but are kept in production anyway for some dubious marketing rationale, then that’s another way how middle class customers are subsidizing the super-rich.

  127. @prosa123
    @AM

    "Top Gear did a great episode on the worlds fastest road legal car. I think it topped 300 mph, but just barely. What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely."

    A conventionally driven car at 400 mph would outrun the driver's eyesight. In other words, if the driver saw some obstacle in the road ahead the car would hit the obstacle before the driver could react.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon, @PiltdownMan

    At high speeds you run into various physical/physiological limits. Same with aircraft – fighter jet speeds are more or less the same now as in a 1960s jet like the Mirage or F111. Even with reactive suits to cram your blood into the right areas you can’t hit too high G for very long.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force#Vertical

    (Also with a car keeping it from turning into an aircraft becomes more tricky at high speeds)

  128. @Moshe
    @Anonymous

    Leaving aside the washed in bukakki anti-semites, I agree about Steve and a certain amount of his commentators, who are clearly not what we would call anti-Semitic.

    In fact, I can tell you with certainty that Steve does not hate people of Jewish descent based simply upon that factor.

    I think that Steve occasionally errs in how he writes what he writes, but I believe that he is doing it on the premise that he is writing primarily for the top 10%. -- Those who, like him, have pretty sound judgement and analysis and can do it on their own about what they read.

    The truth of course is that at least 30% of the best commentators here are of some recent Jewish descent so, among gentile readers, yeah a disturbing number are antisems. BUT this is because they lack understanding and common sense.

    They notice that (((whitey))) has all the cargo and also that the world is not perfect. Deftly putting the matter together he discovers that it is (((whitey's))) fault.

    These are simple people. But Steve shouldn't change what he wants to say and how he wants to say it because of how loser idiots will use this knowledge. So until we revoke theil literacy of these people who shouldn't be writing anything and should read very little, we just have to recognize that they are there and try not to feed them. (Though truthfully I enjoy bombasting against them. I like fighting.)

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Moses

    I think the expressions “anti-Semitic” or “antisemitic” or “anti-Jewish” etc. are quite unhelpful for understanding. I have encountered a similar expression with Hungarian nationalists, “magyarellenes” (literally “Hungarian-opposer”, anti-Hungarian), which is often used but is extremely unhelpful for understanding. For example Hungarian nationalists will label anyone anti-Hungarian who demolishes a Hungarian national myth (for example if a historian uncovers corruption or some kind of personal failing on the part of a Hungarian national hero, or his research leads him to conclude that Hungarians or the Hungarian government in the past did not always behave in an exemplary fashion, to the contrary), which I never found quite persuasive. (But then again, maybe it’s only because I’m a sperg.) I mean, quite obviously, there’s a matter of reality: if the Hungarian national hero really was a fallible human, then what should a historian write about him? Should he conceal the truth? Similarly, if Hungarians really did do something bad, then what should an honest historian write? Or similarly, about the present age, if someone discovers something bad about Hungarians (like Hungarians cheat their taxes more often than West Europeans), what should he write or say? Should he conceal the truth?

    I don’t think you can label “anti-Semitic” opinions which simply say something bad about Jews, regardless of merit. For example a case could be made that Jews are in general to the left of even their liberal leftist peers when it comes to race replacement immigration or opposition to even the slightest forms of white ethnic consciousness. Maybe it’s wrong, but I think there’s enough evidence for it not to dismiss it out of hand. In other words, those who believe it (like yours truly), might be wrong, but they are not obviously wrong, blinded by hatred of Jews. Of course, someone blinded by hatred would also tend to believe any and all bad things about Jews. It’s just that you cannot simply infer from that opinion such a strong underlying hatred as the root cause of the opinion.

    [MORE]

    It’s also obvious that most valid criticism of Jews is both mild and strong. Mild in the sense that I think no reasonable person can believe that each Jew is foaming from the mouth while dreaming of murder white gentile gals and boys 24/7. Probably most Jews don’t hate white gentiles very strongly, they just have a relatively strong unease about and aversion to white gentile ethnic and racial consciousness. It was so even before the holocaust, but Hitler & Co. probably didn’t help that. However, the criticism is also strong, because – due to their high IQ and their concentration in the entertainment industries and academia – they tend to dominate Western culture, especially since 1945, and so – at least in the eyes of racially and ethnically conscious whites, and those who think this leftism won’t end well – they are pulling the rest of us in the wrong direction. The strength of its effects can be debated – maybe it’s small, and the same or similar things would be happening in the absence of Jews -, but at least you cannot dismiss it out of hand. And so Jews might actually be criticized for the whole or most of the multicultural/leftist/etc. madness. In other words, Jews might be criticized for actually being the catalysts of the destruction of the West.

    It gets worse: some Jews are doing it honestly and in an intellectually consistent way, promoting destruction for both Jews and non-Jews. But many others are not so consistent: Sheldon Adelson or Larry Ellison promoting mass immigration (in America) and a Jewish ethnostate (in Israel) seem a little bit hypocritical. These guys must have some understanding on some level that an ethnostate is a good thing (for the ethnic group in question), but mass immigration is bad (for the dominant ethnic group). I understand that that doesn’t necessarily involve conscious hypocrisy, after all, humans are capable of holding contradictory and logically inconsistent opinions. Humans don’t always know their own motivation.

    Assuming that all of the above is true (I admit some or all points might be up for debate, and of course my biases could lead me in the wrong way – though I used to be more or less philosemitic some 15 years ago, maybe I developed irrational anti-Jewish animus and just found rationalizations for it, instead of – as I believe – holding these opinions after dispassionately analyzing the available facts), there is also a question of what to do. Some people (usually philosemites, but occasionally people disliking Jews, too) think that if Jews have caused so many problems, then they must all be killed (Hitler obviously thought that), or at least gentiles will obviously want to kill or at least deport them. I don’t think so.

    First, there is the historical example of Hitler – he needed a totalitarian dictatorship to implement his mass murderous policies. It’s well documented that most Germans went along with it quite uneasily (little consolation for the victims, but quite reassuring that in the absence of a totalitarian dictatorship it wouldn’t have happened – Germany was not Rwanda, after all). Non-Germans were also often pressured into participation by Germans (for example they were often recruited from among Soviet POWs, whose life expectancy otherwise wasn’t too high).

    I also think humans’ behaviors are influenced by circumstances, and in a climate where Jews could be easily criticized for their behavior, their behavior would change. Given how Jews are capable of great achievements (in the sciences, music, etc.), the equation might profoundly change. Of course, cohabitation of different ethnic groups is always going to be difficult (for example Hungarians have massacred, as well as have been massacred by, a few neighboring peoples occasionally, like Serbs or Romanians), but oppression of any and all criticism of an ethnic group (while some other ethnic groups can still easily be criticized) doesn’t strike me as a particularly stable long-term solution. Also, it might make it impossible to stop the current descent of Western Civilization into the multiculturalist chaos.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    The problem with your line of thinking is that it ends up mirroring the old Nazi canard that the Jews are responsible for Bolshevism. Maybe Trotsky was responsible for Bolshevism (although it seems to me that Stalin played a big part and nobody is blaming "the Georgians") but my grandpa was no Bolshevik - he was just a simple fisherman and devout and in fact opposed to Godless Communism to the extent he had any political views at all. But the Nazis gassed him and millions like him for Trotsky's sins and the sins of a small elite. Once you step away from judging individual merit and start judging people on their group characteristics, you are on the road to hell. Maybe all New York Times editorialists are Jews but not all Jews are New York Times editorialists.

    Now I realize that you are not interested in gassing Jews but you do appear to be interested in attributing views to "the Jews" which is the 1st step on that road. As you can see from Israeli politics where the spectrum of political views ranges from Stalinist to ultra-Orthodox religious, it is completely impossible to generalize as to what the views of "the Jews" are - the old joke is 2 Jews, 3 opinions. The charge that is frequently seen here and which you raise, that Jews are interested in nationalism for the Jews but not for anyone else, is also a canard because very often the same Jews who preach internationalism in the West also prescribe it for Israel, whereas Israeli right wingers such as Netanyahu are in fact supportive of European nationalism and understand that Israel has nothing to gain from an Islamized Europe. Maybe there are individual Jews who hold these contradictory/hypocritical views but they are the exception rather than the rule - again it is wrong to blame "the Jews" for the views held by Soros. Blame Soros and not "the Jews".

    Of course you are going to find people of (partial or full) Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry overrepresented in the whole left wing academic apparatus that you believe is driving us in the wrong direction. Due to their IQ shift, Jews are going to be overrepresented in ANY enterprise that requires high IQ, just as blacks are going to be overrepresented in any sport that requires bursts of speed. Academia as a whole is left wing and elite American academia (as you can see from the recent Nobel announcements) is maybe 1/4 to 1/3 Jewish (depending on how you define Jewish), mostly of the "atheist" type of Jew but the blame belongs to ALL left wing intellectuals and not just the fraction that are Jewish. This class draws its intellectual inspiration not from classical Jewish thinking but from Puritanism or Marxism or some post-modern blend. The "Jews" who belong to this class have effectively converted to another religion that they share with their fellow utopians and usually expressly reject Jewish religious practices - they have much more in common with their fellow (non-Jewish) leftists than they do with actual Jews. Your ire should be directed at this group and not specifically at Jews.

  129. @Moshe
    @Anonymous

    Leaving aside the washed in bukakki anti-semites, I agree about Steve and a certain amount of his commentators, who are clearly not what we would call anti-Semitic.

    In fact, I can tell you with certainty that Steve does not hate people of Jewish descent based simply upon that factor.

    I think that Steve occasionally errs in how he writes what he writes, but I believe that he is doing it on the premise that he is writing primarily for the top 10%. -- Those who, like him, have pretty sound judgement and analysis and can do it on their own about what they read.

    The truth of course is that at least 30% of the best commentators here are of some recent Jewish descent so, among gentile readers, yeah a disturbing number are antisems. BUT this is because they lack understanding and common sense.

    They notice that (((whitey))) has all the cargo and also that the world is not perfect. Deftly putting the matter together he discovers that it is (((whitey's))) fault.

    These are simple people. But Steve shouldn't change what he wants to say and how he wants to say it because of how loser idiots will use this knowledge. So until we revoke theil literacy of these people who shouldn't be writing anything and should read very little, we just have to recognize that they are there and try not to feed them. (Though truthfully I enjoy bombasting against them. I like fighting.)

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Moses

    Leaving aside the washed in bukakki anti-semites

    Nice image.

    Seriously though, it seems to me that “Anti-Semite” is used as an all-purpose slur in an attempt to marginalize anyone even mildly critical of Jewish behavior. Much like “racist.” These are words used to freeze and isolate another person’s views and stop conversation.

    Labeling and slurs get in the way of a reasoned discourse. But maybe that’s the point.

    (What does “Anti-Semite” mean, anyway? Can anyone provide a simple definition? And why isn’t the expression simply “Anti-Jew?”)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Moses

    And why isn’t the expression simply “Anti-Jew?”

    The terms has its origin in 19th century intellectual theorizing, which divided the Ind0-Europeans into "Semites" (bad) and "Aryans" (good) and certain intellectual figures such as Renan and Steinschneider who are nowadays pretty obscure to most people. But the term caught on and has stuck.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  130. Rainer Weiss, at MIT, and Kip Thorne and Barry Barish, at Caltech were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics today.

    Rainer Weiss was born in Berlin in 1932 to a Jewish father and a Gentile mother. Caltech has an oral history.

    http://oralhistories.library.caltech.edu/183/1/Weiss_OHO.pdf

    Ron Drever, of Caltech, who died in March this year would almost certainly have shared the prize this year. I wonder who would have been left out, of the three who did win?

    Prizes are never handed out posthumously, and there is a three person limit when the science Nobels are shared.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @PiltdownMan

    If you were part of a four man scientific team that discovered something big, do you secretly hope one of your colleagues drops dead so the Nobel people can't solve their problem just by not giving anybody the Prize?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @MEH 0910
    @PiltdownMan

    Kip Thorne is from a Mormon family.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    , @Beenee
    @PiltdownMan

    Barry Barish is Jewish.

  131. @PiltdownMan
    Rainer Weiss, at MIT, and Kip Thorne and Barry Barish, at Caltech were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics today.

    Rainer Weiss was born in Berlin in 1932 to a Jewish father and a Gentile mother. Caltech has an oral history.

    http://oralhistories.library.caltech.edu/183/1/Weiss_OHO.pdf

    Ron Drever, of Caltech, who died in March this year would almost certainly have shared the prize this year. I wonder who would have been left out, of the three who did win?

    Prizes are never handed out posthumously, and there is a three person limit when the science Nobels are shared.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @MEH 0910, @Beenee

    If you were part of a four man scientific team that discovered something big, do you secretly hope one of your colleagues drops dead so the Nobel people can’t solve their problem just by not giving anybody the Prize?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Steve Sailer

    The Nobel Prize in Physics was not awarded in 1916, 1931, 1934, 1940, 1941 and 1942.

    Aside from the war years, 1931 and 1931 are striking for the absence of an award because they are two years that were smack dab in the middle of the golden age of physics. I wonder if they refrained in those years because there was simply too much path-breaking work going on, and too many deserving candidates?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @middle aged vet . . .

  132. @Steve Sailer
    @prosa123

    Volkswagen made a 400 kph supercar in the early 2000s, the Veyeron???, and it put a dent in corporate profits just doing all the engineering.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @AM

    That’s the car Top Gear profiled.

  133. @PiltdownMan
    Rainer Weiss, at MIT, and Kip Thorne and Barry Barish, at Caltech were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics today.

    Rainer Weiss was born in Berlin in 1932 to a Jewish father and a Gentile mother. Caltech has an oral history.

    http://oralhistories.library.caltech.edu/183/1/Weiss_OHO.pdf

    Ron Drever, of Caltech, who died in March this year would almost certainly have shared the prize this year. I wonder who would have been left out, of the three who did win?

    Prizes are never handed out posthumously, and there is a three person limit when the science Nobels are shared.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @MEH 0910, @Beenee

    Kip Thorne is from a Mormon family.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @MEH 0910

    Physics is stagnating, and the Nobel Prize
    announced yesterday confirms it. Gravitational
    waves were first proposed in 1905 by the great French
    mathematician and physicist Henri Poincaré.
    (He was, by the way, also the person who first (before Einstein)
    proposed the famous equation E = mc^2, and
    first demonstrated the relativity of time). Hence
    the discovery of the gravitational waves, just like
    the discovery of the Higgs several years ago, is nothing
    radically new. Fundamental physics is basically stuck.
    The low-hanging fruit had already been picked, and it's
    difficult to go beyond it. The rate of new inventions is
    also slowing down, and productivity is growing at a glacial
    pace. Welcome to the Age of Stagnation.

    Perhaps what is happening is that fundamental science is
    finally hitting its own limits, bounded as it is by scientific
    materialism. This is what the British biochemist Rupert
    Sheldrake has proposed in his recent book The Science Delusion.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  134. @Steve Sailer
    @PiltdownMan

    If you were part of a four man scientific team that discovered something big, do you secretly hope one of your colleagues drops dead so the Nobel people can't solve their problem just by not giving anybody the Prize?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    The Nobel Prize in Physics was not awarded in 1916, 1931, 1934, 1940, 1941 and 1942.

    Aside from the war years, 1931 and 1931 are striking for the absence of an award because they are two years that were smack dab in the middle of the golden age of physics. I wonder if they refrained in those years because there was simply too much path-breaking work going on, and too many deserving candidates?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @PiltdownMan

    Many great scientists from that era did not get Nobel. The most famous is Pascual Jordan, an ideological Nazi. But, there are others, some of them Jewish, who I think deserved the prize, but got nothing: Lise Meitner, Giulio Racah, Ettore Majorana, ...

    , @middle aged vet . . .
    @PiltdownMan

    The list of physics nominees and each of their nominators from 1931 and 1934 are available on the Nobel website. The list has more than a dozen familiar names on each side, and for anyone who has read a book or two on the very very strange history of 20th physicists, or otherwise studied the subject, it is a fun list to read, sort of like reading the rejects for the baseball Hall of Fame in the first years of voting would be for someone who knows about baseball from back in the day. The difference being - I cannot name a single ballplayer from the first half of the century who deserves to be in the HOF and is not (I.e. nobody older than Pete Reiser or Gil Hodges) but when you look at some of the names the 1934 crew passed over - super big names in physics - well, it is a different sort of competition.

    Replies: @middle aged vet . . .

  135. @Anonym
    @Jack D

    With his father, "neighbors couldn't believe that the colorful businessman, then 34 years old, was involved in crime." His son appears to exhibit the same ability to fit in with society, while being a psychopath.

    A psychopath with yellow fever, at the end of his life, who was willing to gamble on becoming amazingly wealthy and if not, would go down in history as the US's greatest mass murderer (although Jim Jones was a US citizen, his mass murder was outside US territory). Obviously GTA was not doing it for him.

    There are some drivers or at least "force multipliers" at play. Media gives publicity, the internet allows those who would do this to compare vs others and try to up the ante. The internet also allows one to figure out how to do things better easily. For example, to modify or hack such semi-auto weapons to be fully automatic.

    It is evident to me that it seems if one were motivated, one could "do it better" in terms of death count but I'd rather not put those ideas out there just to build geek cred. This is a bad thing. People should be able to enjoy open air concerts and gatherings.

    When stuff like this happens, I do wish they'd use another method of killing as despite guns enabling one method of killing. There will be an inevitable push to criminalize gun ownership. I think the government should have some fear of what their citizens can do, so as to be accountable. They already are well on the way to race replace us, which is a fairly hostile act.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I am surprised bombs are not more popular among mass killers. The military long ago figured out that if you want to kill a lot of people at once bombs are more effective than bullets. There must be some psychological factor that makes shooting more satisfying.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Jack D

    I am surprised bombs are not more popular among mass killers. The military long ago figured out that if you want to kill a lot of people at once bombs are more effective than bullets. There must be some psychological factor that makes shooting more satisfying.

    That psychological factor is IQ. Think Unabomber Ted. Then there is the financial factor of the money to pay for the bomb or its testing. Even Breivik killed 90% in serial bullet fashion rather than the parallel of bombing. Boston bombers killed 3, count 'em, 3. Procuring a good bomb is not a trivial task. Placing it in a high value location is not easy especially if you want to remain alive. All of my examples avoided dying. Smart people generally avoid death.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

  136. @AM

    Your typical antifa is not a 64 year old accountant. I think in such a high profile case with literally world-wide interest a cover up is impossible.
     
    He wasn't an accountant. He managed apartment buildings with Mom.

    He also gambled, heavily and frequently. The girlfriend worked at the Mandalay, who is now in Tokyo.

    There is a distinct possibility he was heavily political. However, if he was not, he seems the profile of a person who might easily be involved with marginal activity that would make him a possible stooge or patsy of sorts.

    His death leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

    Replies: @Jack D

    His family reported that he had no particular interest in religion or politics. If there was any hint of either the media would be flogging it. I am sure that as they get into his computers, etc. they will gain more insight into his inner life but if he had any political views he kept them well hidden. I doubt that he was anyone’s stooge or patsy – seems more like a lone wolf personality to me.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @Jack D


    His family reported that he had no particular interest in religion or politics. If there was any hint of either the media would be flogging it.
     
    Not if it was left wing politics. They absolutely would not be flogging it.

    Replies: @Jack D

  137. @Moses
    @Moshe


    Leaving aside the washed in bukakki anti-semites

     

    Nice image.

    Seriously though, it seems to me that "Anti-Semite" is used as an all-purpose slur in an attempt to marginalize anyone even mildly critical of Jewish behavior. Much like "racist." These are words used to freeze and isolate another person's views and stop conversation.

    Labeling and slurs get in the way of a reasoned discourse. But maybe that's the point.

    (What does "Anti-Semite" mean, anyway? Can anyone provide a simple definition? And why isn't the expression simply "Anti-Jew?")

    Replies: @Jack D

    And why isn’t the expression simply “Anti-Jew?”

    The terms has its origin in 19th century intellectual theorizing, which divided the Ind0-Europeans into “Semites” (bad) and “Aryans” (good) and certain intellectual figures such as Renan and Steinschneider who are nowadays pretty obscure to most people. But the term caught on and has stuck.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D


    The terms has its origin in 19th century intellectual theorizing, which divided the Ind0-Europeans into “Semites” (bad) and “Aryans” (good) and certain intellectual figures such as Renan and Steinschneider who are nowadays pretty obscure to most people. But the term caught on and has stuck.
     
    You got that wrong. Indo-Europeans are peoples who speak an Indo-European language (Greek, Latin, German, English, Farsi, Russian, Bengali, Albanian, Punjabi, Urdu,...). Semites speak a Semitic language (Akkadian, Hebrew, Arabic,..). Aryans are...well, Aryans from India.

    Anti-Semitism is, IMO, not a successful coinage. Perhaps Judeophobia or anti-Judaism would be better.
  138. @prosa123
    @AM

    "Top Gear did a great episode on the worlds fastest road legal car. I think it topped 300 mph, but just barely. What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely."

    A conventionally driven car at 400 mph would outrun the driver's eyesight. In other words, if the driver saw some obstacle in the road ahead the car would hit the obstacle before the driver could react.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon, @PiltdownMan

    What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely.”

    The power needed to push an object through a fluid (such a car through the air surrounding it) increases as the cube of its velocity.

    If it takes eight times as much horsepower to move a car at a (hypothetical) 400 mph as it does at 200 mph.

    If a Bugatti Veyron needs all of its 1001 bhp output to move at its top speed 250 mph, a Bugatti Veyron would need a 4,101 bhp capable engine to move it at 400 mph, all else being equal.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @PiltdownMan

    All else is not equal because, for example, a Supermarine Spitfire could travel at (almost) 400 mph off of an (almost) 1,500 hp motor. Of course that was up in the air. The power required to overcome wind resistance is definitely non-linear but this is only one aspect of the complex interrelationship between top speed and horsepower in an automobile that rolls on the ground.

    In real life, a 400 mph car needs something like 3,000 hp, so your approximation is close but not quite right.

  139. @PiltdownMan
    @Steve Sailer

    The Nobel Prize in Physics was not awarded in 1916, 1931, 1934, 1940, 1941 and 1942.

    Aside from the war years, 1931 and 1931 are striking for the absence of an award because they are two years that were smack dab in the middle of the golden age of physics. I wonder if they refrained in those years because there was simply too much path-breaking work going on, and too many deserving candidates?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @middle aged vet . . .

    Many great scientists from that era did not get Nobel. The most famous is Pascual Jordan, an ideological Nazi. But, there are others, some of them Jewish, who I think deserved the prize, but got nothing: Lise Meitner, Giulio Racah, Ettore Majorana, …

  140. @reiner Tor
    @Moshe

    I think the expressions "anti-Semitic" or "antisemitic" or "anti-Jewish" etc. are quite unhelpful for understanding. I have encountered a similar expression with Hungarian nationalists, "magyarellenes" (literally "Hungarian-opposer", anti-Hungarian), which is often used but is extremely unhelpful for understanding. For example Hungarian nationalists will label anyone anti-Hungarian who demolishes a Hungarian national myth (for example if a historian uncovers corruption or some kind of personal failing on the part of a Hungarian national hero, or his research leads him to conclude that Hungarians or the Hungarian government in the past did not always behave in an exemplary fashion, to the contrary), which I never found quite persuasive. (But then again, maybe it's only because I'm a sperg.) I mean, quite obviously, there's a matter of reality: if the Hungarian national hero really was a fallible human, then what should a historian write about him? Should he conceal the truth? Similarly, if Hungarians really did do something bad, then what should an honest historian write? Or similarly, about the present age, if someone discovers something bad about Hungarians (like Hungarians cheat their taxes more often than West Europeans), what should he write or say? Should he conceal the truth?

    I don't think you can label "anti-Semitic" opinions which simply say something bad about Jews, regardless of merit. For example a case could be made that Jews are in general to the left of even their liberal leftist peers when it comes to race replacement immigration or opposition to even the slightest forms of white ethnic consciousness. Maybe it's wrong, but I think there's enough evidence for it not to dismiss it out of hand. In other words, those who believe it (like yours truly), might be wrong, but they are not obviously wrong, blinded by hatred of Jews. Of course, someone blinded by hatred would also tend to believe any and all bad things about Jews. It's just that you cannot simply infer from that opinion such a strong underlying hatred as the root cause of the opinion.



    It's also obvious that most valid criticism of Jews is both mild and strong. Mild in the sense that I think no reasonable person can believe that each Jew is foaming from the mouth while dreaming of murder white gentile gals and boys 24/7. Probably most Jews don't hate white gentiles very strongly, they just have a relatively strong unease about and aversion to white gentile ethnic and racial consciousness. It was so even before the holocaust, but Hitler & Co. probably didn't help that. However, the criticism is also strong, because - due to their high IQ and their concentration in the entertainment industries and academia - they tend to dominate Western culture, especially since 1945, and so - at least in the eyes of racially and ethnically conscious whites, and those who think this leftism won't end well - they are pulling the rest of us in the wrong direction. The strength of its effects can be debated - maybe it's small, and the same or similar things would be happening in the absence of Jews -, but at least you cannot dismiss it out of hand. And so Jews might actually be criticized for the whole or most of the multicultural/leftist/etc. madness. In other words, Jews might be criticized for actually being the catalysts of the destruction of the West.

    It gets worse: some Jews are doing it honestly and in an intellectually consistent way, promoting destruction for both Jews and non-Jews. But many others are not so consistent: Sheldon Adelson or Larry Ellison promoting mass immigration (in America) and a Jewish ethnostate (in Israel) seem a little bit hypocritical. These guys must have some understanding on some level that an ethnostate is a good thing (for the ethnic group in question), but mass immigration is bad (for the dominant ethnic group). I understand that that doesn't necessarily involve conscious hypocrisy, after all, humans are capable of holding contradictory and logically inconsistent opinions. Humans don't always know their own motivation.

    Assuming that all of the above is true (I admit some or all points might be up for debate, and of course my biases could lead me in the wrong way - though I used to be more or less philosemitic some 15 years ago, maybe I developed irrational anti-Jewish animus and just found rationalizations for it, instead of - as I believe - holding these opinions after dispassionately analyzing the available facts), there is also a question of what to do. Some people (usually philosemites, but occasionally people disliking Jews, too) think that if Jews have caused so many problems, then they must all be killed (Hitler obviously thought that), or at least gentiles will obviously want to kill or at least deport them. I don't think so.

    First, there is the historical example of Hitler - he needed a totalitarian dictatorship to implement his mass murderous policies. It's well documented that most Germans went along with it quite uneasily (little consolation for the victims, but quite reassuring that in the absence of a totalitarian dictatorship it wouldn't have happened - Germany was not Rwanda, after all). Non-Germans were also often pressured into participation by Germans (for example they were often recruited from among Soviet POWs, whose life expectancy otherwise wasn't too high).

    I also think humans' behaviors are influenced by circumstances, and in a climate where Jews could be easily criticized for their behavior, their behavior would change. Given how Jews are capable of great achievements (in the sciences, music, etc.), the equation might profoundly change. Of course, cohabitation of different ethnic groups is always going to be difficult (for example Hungarians have massacred, as well as have been massacred by, a few neighboring peoples occasionally, like Serbs or Romanians), but oppression of any and all criticism of an ethnic group (while some other ethnic groups can still easily be criticized) doesn't strike me as a particularly stable long-term solution. Also, it might make it impossible to stop the current descent of Western Civilization into the multiculturalist chaos.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The problem with your line of thinking is that it ends up mirroring the old Nazi canard that the Jews are responsible for Bolshevism. Maybe Trotsky was responsible for Bolshevism (although it seems to me that Stalin played a big part and nobody is blaming “the Georgians”) but my grandpa was no Bolshevik – he was just a simple fisherman and devout and in fact opposed to Godless Communism to the extent he had any political views at all. But the Nazis gassed him and millions like him for Trotsky’s sins and the sins of a small elite. Once you step away from judging individual merit and start judging people on their group characteristics, you are on the road to hell. Maybe all New York Times editorialists are Jews but not all Jews are New York Times editorialists.

    Now I realize that you are not interested in gassing Jews but you do appear to be interested in attributing views to “the Jews” which is the 1st step on that road. As you can see from Israeli politics where the spectrum of political views ranges from Stalinist to ultra-Orthodox religious, it is completely impossible to generalize as to what the views of “the Jews” are – the old joke is 2 Jews, 3 opinions. The charge that is frequently seen here and which you raise, that Jews are interested in nationalism for the Jews but not for anyone else, is also a canard because very often the same Jews who preach internationalism in the West also prescribe it for Israel, whereas Israeli right wingers such as Netanyahu are in fact supportive of European nationalism and understand that Israel has nothing to gain from an Islamized Europe. Maybe there are individual Jews who hold these contradictory/hypocritical views but they are the exception rather than the rule – again it is wrong to blame “the Jews” for the views held by Soros. Blame Soros and not “the Jews”.

    Of course you are going to find people of (partial or full) Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry overrepresented in the whole left wing academic apparatus that you believe is driving us in the wrong direction. Due to their IQ shift, Jews are going to be overrepresented in ANY enterprise that requires high IQ, just as blacks are going to be overrepresented in any sport that requires bursts of speed. Academia as a whole is left wing and elite American academia (as you can see from the recent Nobel announcements) is maybe 1/4 to 1/3 Jewish (depending on how you define Jewish), mostly of the “atheist” type of Jew but the blame belongs to ALL left wing intellectuals and not just the fraction that are Jewish. This class draws its intellectual inspiration not from classical Jewish thinking but from Puritanism or Marxism or some post-modern blend. The “Jews” who belong to this class have effectively converted to another religion that they share with their fellow utopians and usually expressly reject Jewish religious practices – they have much more in common with their fellow (non-Jewish) leftists than they do with actual Jews. Your ire should be directed at this group and not specifically at Jews.

  141. @PiltdownMan
    @prosa123


    What was fascinating was a how much more engineering and fuel it took to reach those speeds. 300 wasn’t linearly more difficult than 200, it was exponentially so. It was so difficult that it made 400 mph car sound very unlikely.”
     
    The power needed to push an object through a fluid (such a car through the air surrounding it) increases as the cube of its velocity.

    If it takes eight times as much horsepower to move a car at a (hypothetical) 400 mph as it does at 200 mph.

    If a Bugatti Veyron needs all of its 1001 bhp output to move at its top speed 250 mph, a Bugatti Veyron would need a 4,101 bhp capable engine to move it at 400 mph, all else being equal.

    Replies: @Jack D

    All else is not equal because, for example, a Supermarine Spitfire could travel at (almost) 400 mph off of an (almost) 1,500 hp motor. Of course that was up in the air. The power required to overcome wind resistance is definitely non-linear but this is only one aspect of the complex interrelationship between top speed and horsepower in an automobile that rolls on the ground.

    In real life, a 400 mph car needs something like 3,000 hp, so your approximation is close but not quite right.

  142. @Jack D
    @AM

    His family reported that he had no particular interest in religion or politics. If there was any hint of either the media would be flogging it. I am sure that as they get into his computers, etc. they will gain more insight into his inner life but if he had any political views he kept them well hidden. I doubt that he was anyone's stooge or patsy - seems more like a lone wolf personality to me.

    Replies: @27 year old

    His family reported that he had no particular interest in religion or politics. If there was any hint of either the media would be flogging it.

    Not if it was left wing politics. They absolutely would not be flogging it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @27 year old

    Maybe not CNN but Fox or Breitbart or someone. But there is nothing except from totally unreliable sources.

  143. @27 year old
    @Jack D


    His family reported that he had no particular interest in religion or politics. If there was any hint of either the media would be flogging it.
     
    Not if it was left wing politics. They absolutely would not be flogging it.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Maybe not CNN but Fox or Breitbart or someone. But there is nothing except from totally unreliable sources.

  144. @Get real
    Come on. Jewish in-group behavior has been the norm at Nobel for decades. It is not what you accomplished, but whether you are a tribesman that gets you that prize in the hard sciences. Really has been that way from the very beginning.

    Not many non-Jew scientists even take it seriously anymore. It is a joke.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Maybe the non-Jews could get together and have a non-Jewish physics of their own that is not tainted by the tribalist thinking of Einstein and his Jewish cabal. You could give out prizes to anyone who proves the existence of the luminiferous ether. That worked out real well the last time.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  145. @Jack D
    @Anonym

    I am surprised bombs are not more popular among mass killers. The military long ago figured out that if you want to kill a lot of people at once bombs are more effective than bullets. There must be some psychological factor that makes shooting more satisfying.

    Replies: @Anonym

    I am surprised bombs are not more popular among mass killers. The military long ago figured out that if you want to kill a lot of people at once bombs are more effective than bullets. There must be some psychological factor that makes shooting more satisfying.

    That psychological factor is IQ. Think Unabomber Ted. Then there is the financial factor of the money to pay for the bomb or its testing. Even Breivik killed 90% in serial bullet fashion rather than the parallel of bombing. Boston bombers killed 3, count ’em, 3. Procuring a good bomb is not a trivial task. Placing it in a high value location is not easy especially if you want to remain alive. All of my examples avoided dying. Smart people generally avoid death.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonym

    McVeigh (who was no genius) built the Oklahoma City bomb for $5,000. It killed 168 and caused $600,000,000 in damage so that was a pretty good bang (literally) for his buck. It's true that the Boston bomb only killed 3 but it wounded hundreds. The main difference of course was that the brothers decided to limit themselves to what they could carry in a backpack while McVeigh thought Ryder truck.

    The Joker brothers were not that bright but I think that (not to give anyone any ideas) someone as intelligent and motivated and with the resources of Paddock could have done even more damage than he did with a bomb if he had put all of his efforts in that direction. So far they have recovered at least 42 guns which represent an investment of tens of thousand of $. As I mentioned before, white people are a special kind of dangerous because of their high intelligence and level of organization (Jews even worse - when they turned their efforts to making a device for killing people they invented something that could kill millions). Thank God most white people prefer to spend their efforts building instead of destroying because when they are inclined in the other direction they can really cause a lot of damage.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonym

    , @Jack D
    @Anonym

    I don't think that Paddock had any intention of surviving the attack so he had no need to design a plan that would include that aspect.

    I should also add that he had a pilot's license so this could have opened up a whole different avenue of attack. The problem with all of these other methods is that bang and they are over, while his chosen method gave him a considerable amount of time to savor what he was doing. For an hour or so, he was like a (devil) god in the heavens with power of life and death over mere mortals. He planned this for months or years and when the time came it went "perfectly" from his POV.

    Replies: @Anonym

  146. @PiltdownMan
    Rainer Weiss, at MIT, and Kip Thorne and Barry Barish, at Caltech were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics today.

    Rainer Weiss was born in Berlin in 1932 to a Jewish father and a Gentile mother. Caltech has an oral history.

    http://oralhistories.library.caltech.edu/183/1/Weiss_OHO.pdf

    Ron Drever, of Caltech, who died in March this year would almost certainly have shared the prize this year. I wonder who would have been left out, of the three who did win?

    Prizes are never handed out posthumously, and there is a three person limit when the science Nobels are shared.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @MEH 0910, @Beenee

    Barry Barish is Jewish.

  147. @Jack D
    @Moses

    And why isn’t the expression simply “Anti-Jew?”

    The terms has its origin in 19th century intellectual theorizing, which divided the Ind0-Europeans into "Semites" (bad) and "Aryans" (good) and certain intellectual figures such as Renan and Steinschneider who are nowadays pretty obscure to most people. But the term caught on and has stuck.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    The terms has its origin in 19th century intellectual theorizing, which divided the Ind0-Europeans into “Semites” (bad) and “Aryans” (good) and certain intellectual figures such as Renan and Steinschneider who are nowadays pretty obscure to most people. But the term caught on and has stuck.

    You got that wrong. Indo-Europeans are peoples who speak an Indo-European language (Greek, Latin, German, English, Farsi, Russian, Bengali, Albanian, Punjabi, Urdu,…). Semites speak a Semitic language (Akkadian, Hebrew, Arabic,..). Aryans are…well, Aryans from India.

    Anti-Semitism is, IMO, not a successful coinage. Perhaps Judeophobia or anti-Judaism would be better.

  148. @George
    Correction: it's Norway, not Sweden. Sweden gives an economics prize named for Nobel but not sanctioned by the Nobel Foundation.

    In general, Norwegians were unable to resist the pressure to fill vacant real estate with the highest rent payers available aka immigrants. That the vacant Real Estate was in the capital just meant ordinary Norwegians were not immediately affected, and the real estate interests lobbying for it were already tightly integrated with the Norwegian government and media.

    Today, Norway has a total of 220,000 immigrants, accounting for five per cent of the population
    http://hyllanderiksen.net/Fortnight.html

    Replies: @george, @Sarah Toga, @RonaldB

    You bring up a pretty interesting point, which is that tight borders and a homogeneous population might not be consistent with the highest economic growth rate. The globalists like to cite the higher GDP associated with immigration, neglecting the more important GDP per capita, which is actually a better measure of the real benefits going to native citizens.

    But, everything has its price, and the price of a safe, culturally-homogeneous country might be a less-active economy and a lower economic standard of living. The real standard of living will be incalculably higher, with safety, open spaces, familiar surroundings and neighbors, but by economic measures, not as high. There is also the matter of the indigenous (native white) farmers and small-town artisans who provide the cultural bedrock of the country. A protected market for, say, food, will result in higher food prices (though perhaps not ruinously high), but will help preserve a real part of American culture. This is, again, a situation of trade-offs.

    The same trade-offs existed through history, certainly in the Roman Empire.
    Law of Civilization and Decay

  149. @Anonym
    @Jack D

    I am surprised bombs are not more popular among mass killers. The military long ago figured out that if you want to kill a lot of people at once bombs are more effective than bullets. There must be some psychological factor that makes shooting more satisfying.

    That psychological factor is IQ. Think Unabomber Ted. Then there is the financial factor of the money to pay for the bomb or its testing. Even Breivik killed 90% in serial bullet fashion rather than the parallel of bombing. Boston bombers killed 3, count 'em, 3. Procuring a good bomb is not a trivial task. Placing it in a high value location is not easy especially if you want to remain alive. All of my examples avoided dying. Smart people generally avoid death.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    McVeigh (who was no genius) built the Oklahoma City bomb for $5,000. It killed 168 and caused $600,000,000 in damage so that was a pretty good bang (literally) for his buck. It’s true that the Boston bomb only killed 3 but it wounded hundreds. The main difference of course was that the brothers decided to limit themselves to what they could carry in a backpack while McVeigh thought Ryder truck.

    The Joker brothers were not that bright but I think that (not to give anyone any ideas) someone as intelligent and motivated and with the resources of Paddock could have done even more damage than he did with a bomb if he had put all of his efforts in that direction. So far they have recovered at least 42 guns which represent an investment of tens of thousand of $. As I mentioned before, white people are a special kind of dangerous because of their high intelligence and level of organization (Jews even worse – when they turned their efforts to making a device for killing people they invented something that could kill millions). Thank God most white people prefer to spend their efforts building instead of destroying because when they are inclined in the other direction they can really cause a lot of damage.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    McVeigh (who was no genius) built the Oklahoma City bomb for $5,000.
     
    Underpinning that bomb was at least tens of thousands of dollars in training and accumulated institutional knowledge McVeigh received during his stint in the military - including how to plan and execute missions with a view towards avoiding discovery. He might not have had specific training in explosives, but he had access to plenty of individuals who did.

    McVeigh's IQ was assessed at 126. Not genius level, but fairly (Gore-, Kerry- and Bush-level) smart, and wasted in the Army. If he'd been brought up by suburban middle class professionals, he'd probably be a middle management drone somewhere in Megacorp USA like most of that ilk. Heck, if he had the background of the aforenamed individuals, he might have run for president.

    There but for the grace of God ...
    , @Anonym
    @Jack D

    You've got a point there... still, he needed to be willing. Driverless vehicles will open up realms of possibilities in that area. Hopefully I did not just doom billions of dollars in research with that comment. Surely the great minds at Google have anticipated delivery vehicles of peace?

    I'm going to stop there. While the engineer in me enjoys the challenge and I do have some additional ideas I could contribute, it's not going to make for a better world.

  150. This is why I enthusiastically support numerus classus, limiting the number of Jews in certain professions (media, law, government). What a great boon to humanity it would be if Jewish intellect were channeled to the hard sciences. And a benefit to the Jews too as it would prevent us from making too much mischief.

  151. @Anonym
    @Jack D

    I am surprised bombs are not more popular among mass killers. The military long ago figured out that if you want to kill a lot of people at once bombs are more effective than bullets. There must be some psychological factor that makes shooting more satisfying.

    That psychological factor is IQ. Think Unabomber Ted. Then there is the financial factor of the money to pay for the bomb or its testing. Even Breivik killed 90% in serial bullet fashion rather than the parallel of bombing. Boston bombers killed 3, count 'em, 3. Procuring a good bomb is not a trivial task. Placing it in a high value location is not easy especially if you want to remain alive. All of my examples avoided dying. Smart people generally avoid death.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    I don’t think that Paddock had any intention of surviving the attack so he had no need to design a plan that would include that aspect.

    I should also add that he had a pilot’s license so this could have opened up a whole different avenue of attack. The problem with all of these other methods is that bang and they are over, while his chosen method gave him a considerable amount of time to savor what he was doing. For an hour or so, he was like a (devil) god in the heavens with power of life and death over mere mortals. He planned this for months or years and when the time came it went “perfectly” from his POV.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Jack D

    Actually I agree that there is something satisfying and personal that many feel about raining lead on people, hence the popularity of FPS games. And this method was enough to top the list of mass shootings though not enough to top the list of mass murders.

    Still, there is an IQ floor for bombs and it is above that of guns (at least in a country with a right to bear guns but not bombs). If you could easily purchase COTS bombs it might be a different story. The number of grenades found in Sweden indicate maybe that will change in future.

  152. @Jack D
    @Anonym

    McVeigh (who was no genius) built the Oklahoma City bomb for $5,000. It killed 168 and caused $600,000,000 in damage so that was a pretty good bang (literally) for his buck. It's true that the Boston bomb only killed 3 but it wounded hundreds. The main difference of course was that the brothers decided to limit themselves to what they could carry in a backpack while McVeigh thought Ryder truck.

    The Joker brothers were not that bright but I think that (not to give anyone any ideas) someone as intelligent and motivated and with the resources of Paddock could have done even more damage than he did with a bomb if he had put all of his efforts in that direction. So far they have recovered at least 42 guns which represent an investment of tens of thousand of $. As I mentioned before, white people are a special kind of dangerous because of their high intelligence and level of organization (Jews even worse - when they turned their efforts to making a device for killing people they invented something that could kill millions). Thank God most white people prefer to spend their efforts building instead of destroying because when they are inclined in the other direction they can really cause a lot of damage.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonym

    McVeigh (who was no genius) built the Oklahoma City bomb for $5,000.

    Underpinning that bomb was at least tens of thousands of dollars in training and accumulated institutional knowledge McVeigh received during his stint in the military – including how to plan and execute missions with a view towards avoiding discovery. He might not have had specific training in explosives, but he had access to plenty of individuals who did.

    McVeigh’s IQ was assessed at 126. Not genius level, but fairly (Gore-, Kerry- and Bush-level) smart, and wasted in the Army. If he’d been brought up by suburban middle class professionals, he’d probably be a middle management drone somewhere in Megacorp USA like most of that ilk. Heck, if he had the background of the aforenamed individuals, he might have run for president.

    There but for the grace of God …

  153. @Jack D
    @Anonym

    McVeigh (who was no genius) built the Oklahoma City bomb for $5,000. It killed 168 and caused $600,000,000 in damage so that was a pretty good bang (literally) for his buck. It's true that the Boston bomb only killed 3 but it wounded hundreds. The main difference of course was that the brothers decided to limit themselves to what they could carry in a backpack while McVeigh thought Ryder truck.

    The Joker brothers were not that bright but I think that (not to give anyone any ideas) someone as intelligent and motivated and with the resources of Paddock could have done even more damage than he did with a bomb if he had put all of his efforts in that direction. So far they have recovered at least 42 guns which represent an investment of tens of thousand of $. As I mentioned before, white people are a special kind of dangerous because of their high intelligence and level of organization (Jews even worse - when they turned their efforts to making a device for killing people they invented something that could kill millions). Thank God most white people prefer to spend their efforts building instead of destroying because when they are inclined in the other direction they can really cause a lot of damage.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonym

    You’ve got a point there… still, he needed to be willing. Driverless vehicles will open up realms of possibilities in that area. Hopefully I did not just doom billions of dollars in research with that comment. Surely the great minds at Google have anticipated delivery vehicles of peace?

    I’m going to stop there. While the engineer in me enjoys the challenge and I do have some additional ideas I could contribute, it’s not going to make for a better world.

  154. @Jack D
    @Anonym

    I don't think that Paddock had any intention of surviving the attack so he had no need to design a plan that would include that aspect.

    I should also add that he had a pilot's license so this could have opened up a whole different avenue of attack. The problem with all of these other methods is that bang and they are over, while his chosen method gave him a considerable amount of time to savor what he was doing. For an hour or so, he was like a (devil) god in the heavens with power of life and death over mere mortals. He planned this for months or years and when the time came it went "perfectly" from his POV.

    Replies: @Anonym

    Actually I agree that there is something satisfying and personal that many feel about raining lead on people, hence the popularity of FPS games. And this method was enough to top the list of mass shootings though not enough to top the list of mass murders.

    Still, there is an IQ floor for bombs and it is above that of guns (at least in a country with a right to bear guns but not bombs). If you could easily purchase COTS bombs it might be a different story. The number of grenades found in Sweden indicate maybe that will change in future.

  155. @PiltdownMan
    @Steve Sailer

    The Nobel Prize in Physics was not awarded in 1916, 1931, 1934, 1940, 1941 and 1942.

    Aside from the war years, 1931 and 1931 are striking for the absence of an award because they are two years that were smack dab in the middle of the golden age of physics. I wonder if they refrained in those years because there was simply too much path-breaking work going on, and too many deserving candidates?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @middle aged vet . . .

    The list of physics nominees and each of their nominators from 1931 and 1934 are available on the Nobel website. The list has more than a dozen familiar names on each side, and for anyone who has read a book or two on the very very strange history of 20th physicists, or otherwise studied the subject, it is a fun list to read, sort of like reading the rejects for the baseball Hall of Fame in the first years of voting would be for someone who knows about baseball from back in the day. The difference being – I cannot name a single ballplayer from the first half of the century who deserves to be in the HOF and is not (I.e. nobody older than Pete Reiser or Gil Hodges) but when you look at some of the names the 1934 crew passed over – super big names in physics – well, it is a different sort of competition.

    • Replies: @middle aged vet . . .
    @middle aged vet . . .

    Wofgang Pauli, Max Born, a niece from the Curie dynasty, Arthur Eddington, and one or two others (Joliot shows up a lot - the chemistry guy!.... and it is interesting to see that the ones who got the awards in later years were nominated, in those later years, by much more famous physicists) ... (it is not a self explanatory web-site, you need to click on Nominations on the top bar and then click on Nominations Archive, or something like that, on the list provided)

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  156. @Anonymous
    Don't get too attached to science Nobels. They're a popularity contest just like most other prizes.

    It's only a matter of time before they become diversified like the peace prize. Only objective contests like the science and math Olympiads can be true tests of ability.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s only a matter of time before they become diversified like the peace prize.

    Or the Google Doodle.

  157. @Tiny Duck
    More white guys with guns

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html


    When will white men denounce gun violence and their bad actors?

    Replies: @james wilson, @Sarah Toga, @Reg Cæsar

    When will white men denounce gun violence and their bad actors?

    White men do denounce violence with guns. I agree, more should also denounce Robert Redford.

  158. @james wilson
    @Tiny Duck

    After there are no ducks left to shoot.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    After there are no ducks left to shoot.

    The other day I found myself driving on Redhead Avenue. I wondered how the hell a street ever got that name. Then I saw the other streets in the subdivision– Pintail, Mallard, and Bluebill.

    Life there must be just ducky.

    Till you get the bill…

  159. @anonymous
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizen of a Silly Country - From my perspective as a Christian, I believe there is a simple way to explain what anti-Semitism is, but you can't do it in just a few words. If you care what I think, read on, if you don't, then don't read on. First, there is pre-Messianic anti-Semitism: under the old law, All nations were predatory, and anti-Semitism was not really a useful category, except in extreme situations, such as when the Philistines committed blasphemy against the Lord (remember how they mistreated the Ark of the Lord when King David was young) in the course of mocking the Israelites.
    --- Basically, in Old Testament days, if the Jews found favor in God's eyes, those who militarily opposed the Jews were destroyed by God; when the Jews did not find favor in God's eyes, other nations were used to punish the Jews before, eventually, being themselves punished (remember, all nations were wicked before the Lord, and all but the Jews have vanished from the face of the earth by now). After the coming of Jesus, there have been at least three types of anti-Semitism.
    --- There is the anti-Semitism of the foolish, who are told bad stories about the Jews and not told similar bad stories about non-Jews, and base their hatred of the Jews on those stories: they are led by those who want to lead them, and their sin is not really anti-Semitism, it is just generic foolishness (see the Book of Proverbs).
    --- Second, there is the anti-Semitism of the semi-intelligent (which parallels, of course, every other sort of bigotry - hatred of the English, of the Irish, of brown people, of white people, misogyny, misandry, et cetera), which is generally a function of sinful people trying to understand their world, but not giving sufficient effort at understanding, and thereby lazily and proudly focusing on one group as the primary cause of the harm they see - Jews being a frequent target, partly because of the gifts they have been given since the time of Abraham; and partly because of the efforts of intelligent non-Jews at making their own misdeeds seem like the works of Jews, when that is often or usually not the case. In any event intellectual anti-Semitism can be defined as sinful, willful hatred in the form of disproportionate anger at Jews. There is some envy with the hatred, partly because the Jews were around before Christ was born and are still around, which is not anything that any anti-Semite of the Western World can say about his nation. (As for the anti-Semites of Asia, most of whom belong to nations dating back to Old Testament times, they are mere eccentrics, whom we do not need to discuss.)
    --- The definition of anti-Semitism does not extend to those people, Jewish or not, who criticize Jews in the honest spirit that, say, Bernanos criticized the pre-war French or Waugh criticized the Churchillites of his day - that is, with a feeling of sympathy and concern, as we should all feel for each other, Christian or not. Also, arguments over whether there is such a thing as Judaeo-Christian culture, or whether Saint Paul wrote that the covenant of the Lord with the Jews continues in its fullness or not, or whether there is a reason why Jews make good physicists and not-so-good painters, do not have an anti-Semitic and a non-anti-Semitic side: they are basically intellectual arguments.
    --- Finally, a third group of anti-Semites are people who enjoy blaspheming the Lord, and who, for reasons of their own, hate Jews because, for example, the Lord was a Jew, and He has shown them His blessings for longer than their nations have existed. Such people often blaspheme the Lord by attacks on Christianity as well.
    --- Anyway, I suggest prayerfully reading all the Proverbs and Psalms, all the Gospels, and the letters of Paul, John, Jude, Peter and James, as well as excerpts from the historical books of the Bible, to better understand this subject. There are many good commentaries which discuss the place of Israel in salvation history.

    Replies: @middle aged vet . . .

    wwebd said – Cymru am byth (long live Wales) – for the record (third paragraph from the end) Waugh is a Welsh name, not an English name. The most famous Waugh did not consider himself Welsh, I think, and some of the characters in his novels went completely Don Rickles on the Welsh. Bernanos, the great French novelist, actually married a direct descendant of a sibling of Joan of Arc, I think.

  160. @middle aged vet . . .
    @PiltdownMan

    The list of physics nominees and each of their nominators from 1931 and 1934 are available on the Nobel website. The list has more than a dozen familiar names on each side, and for anyone who has read a book or two on the very very strange history of 20th physicists, or otherwise studied the subject, it is a fun list to read, sort of like reading the rejects for the baseball Hall of Fame in the first years of voting would be for someone who knows about baseball from back in the day. The difference being - I cannot name a single ballplayer from the first half of the century who deserves to be in the HOF and is not (I.e. nobody older than Pete Reiser or Gil Hodges) but when you look at some of the names the 1934 crew passed over - super big names in physics - well, it is a different sort of competition.

    Replies: @middle aged vet . . .

    Wofgang Pauli, Max Born, a niece from the Curie dynasty, Arthur Eddington, and one or two others (Joliot shows up a lot – the chemistry guy!…. and it is interesting to see that the ones who got the awards in later years were nominated, in those later years, by much more famous physicists) … (it is not a self explanatory web-site, you need to click on Nominations on the top bar and then click on Nominations Archive, or something like that, on the list provided)

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @middle aged vet . . .

    Many thanks! I looked it up. Many big names, though most, I think, did eventually win the Nobel.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/archive/list.php

    One of the most deserving physicists from that golden age to not get a Nobel was George Gamow. Gamow made fundamental contributions, each Nobel worthy, in at least two areas, and quite separately, can take credit for beginning to pull together the effort to figure out the structure of DNA.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  161. @middle aged vet . . .
    @middle aged vet . . .

    Wofgang Pauli, Max Born, a niece from the Curie dynasty, Arthur Eddington, and one or two others (Joliot shows up a lot - the chemistry guy!.... and it is interesting to see that the ones who got the awards in later years were nominated, in those later years, by much more famous physicists) ... (it is not a self explanatory web-site, you need to click on Nominations on the top bar and then click on Nominations Archive, or something like that, on the list provided)

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Many thanks! I looked it up. Many big names, though most, I think, did eventually win the Nobel.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/archive/list.php

    One of the most deserving physicists from that golden age to not get a Nobel was George Gamow. Gamow made fundamental contributions, each Nobel worthy, in at least two areas, and quite separately, can take credit for beginning to pull together the effort to figure out the structure of DNA.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @PiltdownMan

    PiltdownMan:

    You succinctly outlined Gamow's great achievements. He certainly deserved a Nobel Laureate.

    Gamow had great physical intuition which easily overwhelmed any of his mathematical deficiencies. A very eminent mathematician was embarrassed by Gamow's thanking him for assistance in solving the quantum tunneling problem since it only involved solving a simple differential equation.

    Gamow was an atheist despite his grandfather being an Orthodox Metropolitan. He was antisemitic probably due to the ravishes of the Soviet Revolution, while still having good personal relations with many Jews among them being Edward Teller.

    He was also a dipsomaniac. After a lifetime of drinking he ruefully admitted that the physical debilitation bill was due.

  162. Why so sad? He shot (mostly) white guys & gals from Nowheresville, U.S. of A.

  163. @PiltdownMan
    @middle aged vet . . .

    Many thanks! I looked it up. Many big names, though most, I think, did eventually win the Nobel.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/archive/list.php

    One of the most deserving physicists from that golden age to not get a Nobel was George Gamow. Gamow made fundamental contributions, each Nobel worthy, in at least two areas, and quite separately, can take credit for beginning to pull together the effort to figure out the structure of DNA.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    PiltdownMan:

    You succinctly outlined Gamow’s great achievements. He certainly deserved a Nobel Laureate.

    Gamow had great physical intuition which easily overwhelmed any of his mathematical deficiencies. A very eminent mathematician was embarrassed by Gamow’s thanking him for assistance in solving the quantum tunneling problem since it only involved solving a simple differential equation.

    Gamow was an atheist despite his grandfather being an Orthodox Metropolitan. He was antisemitic probably due to the ravishes of the Soviet Revolution, while still having good personal relations with many Jews among them being Edward Teller.

    He was also a dipsomaniac. After a lifetime of drinking he ruefully admitted that the physical debilitation bill was due.

  164. @MEH 0910
    @PiltdownMan

    Kip Thorne is from a Mormon family.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Physics is stagnating, and the Nobel Prize
    announced yesterday confirms it. Gravitational
    waves were first proposed in 1905 by the great French
    mathematician and physicist Henri Poincaré.
    (He was, by the way, also the person who first (before Einstein)
    proposed the famous equation E = mc^2, and
    first demonstrated the relativity of time). Hence
    the discovery of the gravitational waves, just like
    the discovery of the Higgs several years ago, is nothing
    radically new. Fundamental physics is basically stuck.
    The low-hanging fruit had already been picked, and it’s
    difficult to go beyond it. The rate of new inventions is
    also slowing down, and productivity is growing at a glacial
    pace. Welcome to the Age of Stagnation.

    Perhaps what is happening is that fundamental science is
    finally hitting its own limits, bounded as it is by scientific
    materialism. This is what the British biochemist Rupert
    Sheldrake has proposed in his recent book The Science Delusion.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Anon 2

    Scientific materialism is awesome. Rupert Sheldrake deals in woo-woo.

  165. Atheists have a tremendous competitive
    advantage in science. If you believe there is
    no God, no afterlife, no soul, humans are
    basically computers made of meat – and matter
    is all you’ve got, then you’ll work 24/7 to overcome
    the limitations of matter toward some sort of
    transhumanism. As Stewart Brand said in The Whole
    Earth Catalogue (first published in 1968), “We’re as gods
    and might as well get good at it,” which became the rallying
    cry of the California hippies.

    In my experience the Jews in science are typically atheists,
    and so have a competitive advantage, not because they are
    Jews but because they are atheists who crave the atheist’s
    version of immortality. Fear of death is driving us all, but
    atheists more than others

  166. The three scientists who won the Nobel in
    Chemistry today are Scottish, Swiss, and German,
    all Europeans, although one had moved to the U.S.
    Only rich countries can support the kind of research
    they did. The equipment is extremely expensive, and
    requires an extensive industrial infrastructure

  167. @Anon 2
    @MEH 0910

    Physics is stagnating, and the Nobel Prize
    announced yesterday confirms it. Gravitational
    waves were first proposed in 1905 by the great French
    mathematician and physicist Henri Poincaré.
    (He was, by the way, also the person who first (before Einstein)
    proposed the famous equation E = mc^2, and
    first demonstrated the relativity of time). Hence
    the discovery of the gravitational waves, just like
    the discovery of the Higgs several years ago, is nothing
    radically new. Fundamental physics is basically stuck.
    The low-hanging fruit had already been picked, and it's
    difficult to go beyond it. The rate of new inventions is
    also slowing down, and productivity is growing at a glacial
    pace. Welcome to the Age of Stagnation.

    Perhaps what is happening is that fundamental science is
    finally hitting its own limits, bounded as it is by scientific
    materialism. This is what the British biochemist Rupert
    Sheldrake has proposed in his recent book The Science Delusion.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    Scientific materialism is awesome. Rupert Sheldrake deals in woo-woo.

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