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Caitlyn Jenner

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Jenner came to international attention when, while identifying as a man, she won the gold medal in the decathlon at the 1976 Summer Olympics held in Montreal.

As terrifying as The Party was, Winston Smith at least got paid to do this kind of thing.

In The Spectator, Brendan O’Neill points out the Orwellian 2 + 2 = 5 aspect:

The worship of Caitlyn, and the hectoring of anyone who refuses to scrape before her icon, has graphically exposed the intolerant edge to trans thinking. The insistence that we not only refer to Bruce/Caitlyn as ‘she’ but also project this backwards – recognising, in the words of the Guardian, that she has ‘always been a woman’ – is borderline Orwellian. It’s a rewriting of history, a memory-holing of old inconvenient facts. Strikingly, the Guardian writer says people like Bruce/Caitlyn have ‘always been women… even when they were “fathering” children’. Notice it’s the ‘fathering’ bit that is in scare quotes, suggesting it wasn’t real, while the description of Bruce as a woman is treated as an incontestable truth. War is peace, freedom is slavery, man is woman.

 
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  1. • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Maybe in the future....to get into some elite colleges, try to look less white male.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  2. Even Brendan O’Neill is submitting to this nonsense by referring to Jenner as a “her/she”. No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN…period.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Gaius Baltar


    No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN…period.
     
    Is he a man with a period?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hersh

    , @LondonBob
    @Gaius Baltar

    Take it from me, a British person, the use of he/she is ironic.

    , @donut
    @Gaius Baltar

    No , it's a gelding .

    , @Anonymous
    @Gaius Baltar

    Does he deserve to be called a man, at this point? Can't we compromise with "it"?

    , @david
    @Gaius Baltar

    What's the hostility about? If Caitlyn feels she is a woman, then let her have it. Masculinity isn't just biology nor is feminity. I agree that biology means something and is substantive but it isn't everything. I also think people need to LISTEN to other stories that do not reflect their own reality instead of insisting on other people's stories IN ALL CAPS.

  3. Amazing. I keep thinking that now they’ve gone too far, and everyone must see how absurd and poisonous this all is … but nope.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    @Tim Howells

    “Evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin.” -G.K. Chesterton

    Now you might say there's nothing really evil about this, but ask yourself if you would want your children around people who mutilate themselves in the single most abnormal way.

    Replies: @Tim Howells

  4. So, if a high-testosterone female athlete retires and transitions to male, will she then be stripped of female championships and other honors “he won while identifying as a woman”?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cattle Guard

    "So, if a high-testosterone female athlete retires and transitions to male, will she then be stripped of female championships and other honors “he won while identifying as a woman”?"

    That's a really good question.

    Replies: @Another anon

  5. O’Sullivan and others forget that The Party in 1984 and the Communists in the Soviet Union and elsewhere during the Cold War were decidedly old-fashioned when it came to family formation, much more conservative than the West. TFR was excellent. They would not have tolerated Bruce Jenner’s shenanigans, Andrew Sullivan’s insistence that the only thing keeping him from blowing his brains out was the love of a good man.

    You’re going to censor and coerce people to behave a certain way regardless of the form government and elites take–what we have now is beyond the Pale.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @OsRazor


    O’Sullivan and others forget that The Party in 1984 and the Communists in the Soviet Union and elsewhere during the Cold War were decidedly old-fashioned when it came to family formation, much more conservative than the West.
     
    I've noticed that too. Leftwing loons in the West tend to support every alternative lifestyle out there, while the ones who ran the USSR were socially conservative. I'm guessing that it has something to do with the fact that the lefties in the communist nations were in complete control and treated the nation as their possession. So they tended to support policies that were good for social order and the maintenance of a healthy society.

    In the West the lefty loons are not yet in full control and probably think they need to continue wrecking society to eliminate last vestiges of resistance to their worldview. I would imagine once they have full and complete control, they will modify their views and take a more nurturing stand about their newly won societies.

    Replies: @H2

  6. The United States came to international attention when, identifying as independent, it established inalienable rights during the Revolutionary War in 1776, and when it guaranteed the sovereignty of individual Americans with The Bill of Rights in 1791.

    Countries like the United States have always been part of the Global Village, a world-wide system of finance and geopolitics in which no country is any better than another, where people and commerce move freely across “borders.” This was even true when the US identified as a “sovereign nation.”

    Wars and foreign policies have always been conducted by the American government on behalf of special interests, even when Americans identified as “citizens.”

    American males were always asexual servants of the world’s elite, even when they identified as “men.”

  7. If I genuinely thought I was a woman and had “disphoria” about my genitals to the point where I’d want to cut them off, sex would be an absolute impossibility. Never mind many times with many women.

    Or am I being one of those nazis who thinks instead of feels?

  8. Its almost ten years since Barbara Walters did a special on 3 “transgender” kids. The boy who thought he was a girl would beat up his sister pretty often. That was a throwaway line in the piece. That sister hardly mattered; Mom would take the boy shopping for girl’s clothes to make him feel better.

    The girl who thought she was a boy made her parents life hell. They were scared of her.

    Then there was the very young child, “Jazz,” maybe 5 years old and he was having a great time making his siblings’ lives hell. There was one clip that just showed the siblings’ faces and they were a sad bunch. Mom was all for Jazz, who had a big smile and was skipping all over the place.

    I think its a mental illness and they are probably very dangerous to anyone around them.

  9. we have always been at war with straight white men.

    Ignorance is Strength.
    Freedom from Your Testicles Is Enlightenment.

  10. @Gaius Baltar
    Even Brendan O'Neill is submitting to this nonsense by referring to Jenner as a "her/she". No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN...period.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @donut, @Anonymous, @david

    No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN…period.

    Is he a man with a period?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Or a full stop?

    , @Hersh
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Is he a man with a period?" Can they give him that experience, too?

    The very weirdest thing is a glamour shot of a 65 year old.

    Replies: @jon

  11. @Reg Cæsar
    @Gaius Baltar


    No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN…period.
     
    Is he a man with a period?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hersh

    Or a full stop?

  12. @Reg Cæsar
    @Gaius Baltar


    No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN…period.
     
    Is he a man with a period?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hersh

    “Is he a man with a period?” Can they give him that experience, too?

    The very weirdest thing is a glamour shot of a 65 year old.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Hersh


    The very weirdest thing is a glamour shot of a 65 year old.
     
    In PC-speak, I think Caitlyn would be described as "not conventionally attractive."
  13. The mainstream medical establishment used to think it was healthy and normal to jam an ice-pick into a mentally ill person’s brain and swish it around to destroy connections between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain. Look up what a “frontal lobotomy” was if you think I am exaggerating. We have long realized how grotesque and wrong this was and were fortunate to discover anti-psychotic drugs (and other, milder, psychoactive drugs like anti-depressants) that actually help the people who were formerly victimized by the doctors pushing this medieval treatment. For decades now, lobotomies have been an embarrassment to the field of psychiatry and medicine in general.

    Now the mainstream medical establishment is telling us that it is perfectly normal to mutilate the genitals of a mentally ill person instead of giving them the anti-psychotics and psychotherapy (and probably other drugs) that might actually help them get over their psychotically delusional notion that they’re not actually the sex that they biologically are down to every single cell in their bodies.

    I hope that it takes much less than a few decades (though I am not optimistic here) for us to realize how grotesque and wrong this sex-change delusion among both patients and providers is.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Polynices

    Some people in the medical community take a dim view of the whole "gender-reassignment" business.Here's an article by Paul McHugh:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120


    From journalist John Colapinto:

    "McHugh has always reserved special scorn for the practice of sex-change surgery on adult transsexuals. Classifying transsexualism as merely one symptom in a larger complex of personality disorders, McHugh had long believed that psychiatrists should treat such patients with the talking cure, not radical, irreversible surgeries. In a 1992 article in the American Scholar, McHugh lambasted transsexual surgery as 'the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists' and likened its popularity to the once widespread practice of frontal lobotomy."[1]

    From USA Today:

    "McHugh is a leading proponent of the notion that the cause is not biological, that transgender people have chosen this path. He halted the university hospital's practice of performing gender reassignment surgeries in the late 1970s because, he says, a study indicated that postoperative transsexuals were no happier than they were before the operation. "You can live any way you want, but don't come to us and ask us to give medical resources to this proposal of yours, because we think it's a social construct and not a condition of nature," McHugh says. "No one has demonstrated any physical mechanism or physical problem that causes this. The burden of proof is on them to prove that.""[2]

    From historian Joanne Meyerowitz:

    "In the late 1970s, however, the climate began to change. The first signs were seen at Johns Hopkins, where the chairman of the Psychiatry department, Dr. Joel Elkes, was replaced by Dr. Paul McHugh. McHugh saw SRS as unnecessary mutilation, and set out to kill the program. He assigned Dr. John Meyer to do a long-term follow-up study of 50 transsexuals who underwent SRS at Johns Hopkins. Meyer's report, issued in 1977, claimed that SRS confers no objective advantage in terms of social rehabilitation for transsexuals. Although the paper was widely criticized as flawed, it led to the October 1979 closing of the Johns Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic."[3]


    From sexologist J. Michael Bailey:

    "McHugh objected that clinicians naively accepted transsexual patients' histories of having been quite feminine, when there was ample evidence in many cases that the histories were false (for example, a married man who presents as conventionally masculine). This objection is often correct, though it has no obvious relevance to the advisability of sex reassignment. Furthermore, and more importantly, McHugh argued that it is simply wrong for physicians to "mutilate" perfectly good organs because the transsexual patient's troubled mind wants this: "[The focus on surgery] has distracted effort from genuine investigations attempting to find out just what has gone wrong for these people--what has, by their testimony, given them years of torment and psychological distress and prompted them to accept these grim and disfiguring surgical procedures. McHugh's concerns are worth taking seriously. Consider the case of the man erotically obsessed with having his leg amputated. Would it be advisable or even ethical to remove the leg? And McHugh is correct that interest in sex reassignment medicine has far exceeded interest in changing the minds of transsexual people so they do not want to change their sex. Transsexualism is, after all, a condition of the mind and brain."[4]



    Excerpt from Psychiatric Misadventures by Paul R. McHugh

    This interrelationship of cultural antinomianism and a psychiatric misplaced emphasis is seen at its grimmest in the practice known as sex-reassignment surgery. I happen to know about this because Johns Hopkins was one of the places in the United States where this practice was given its start. It was part of my intention, when I arrived in Baltimore in 1975, to help end it.

    Not uncommonly, a person comes to the clinic and says something like, "As long as I can remember, I've thought I was in the wrong body. True, I've married and had a couple of kids, and I've had a number of homosexual encounters, but always, in the back and now more often in the front of my mind, there's this idea that actually I'm more a woman than a man."

    When we ask what he has done about this, the man often says, "I've tried dressing like a woman and feel quite comfortable. I've eve made myself up and gone out in public. I can get away with it because it's all so natural to me. I'm here because all this male equipment is disgusting to me. I want medical help to change my body: hormone treatments, silicone implants, surgical amputation of my genitalia, and the construction of a vagina. Will you do it?" The patient claims it is a torture for him to live as a man, especially now that he has read in the newspapers about the possibility of switching surgically to womanhood. Upon examination it is not difficult to identify other mental and personality difficulties in him, but he is primarily disquieted because of his intrusive thoughts that his sex is not a settled issue in his life.

    Experts say that "gender identity," a sense of one's own maleness or femaleness, is complicated. They believe that it will emerge through the step-like features of most complex developmental processes in which nature and nurture combine. They venture that, although their research on those born with genital and hormonal abnormalities may not apply to a person with normal bodily structures, something must have gone wrong in this patient's early and formative life to cause him to feel as he does. Why not help him look more like what he says he feels? Our surgeons can do it. What the hell!

    The skills of our plastic surgeons, particularly on the genito-urinary system, are impressive. They were obtained, however, not to treat the gender identity problem, but to repair congenital defects, injuries, and the effects of destructive diseases such as cancer in this region of the body.

    That you can get something done doesn't always mean that you should do it. In sex reassignment cases, there are so many problems right at the start. The patient's claim that this has been a lifelong problem is seldom checked with others who have known him since childhood. It seems so intrusive and untrusting to discuss the problem with others, even though they might provide a better gage of the seriousness of the problem, how it emerged, its fluctuations of intensity over time, and its connection with other experiences. When you discuss what the patient means by "feeling like a woman," you often get a sex stereotype in return--something that woman physicians note immediately is a male caricature of women's attitudes and interests. One of our patients, for example, said that, as a woman, he would be more "invested with being than with doing."

    It is not obvious how this patient's feeling that he is a woman trapped in a man's body differs from the feeling of a patient with anorexia nervosa that she is obese despite her emaciated, cachectic state. We don't do liposuction on anorexics. Why amputate the genitals of these poor men? Surely, the fault is in the mind not the member.

    Yet, if you justify augmenting breasts for women who feel underendowed, why not do it and more for the man who wants to be a woman? A plastic surgeon at Johns Hopkins provided the voice of reality for me on this matter based on his practice and his natural awe at the mystery of the body. One day while we were talking about it, he said to me: "Imagine what it's like to get up at dawn and think about spending the day slashing with a knife at perfectly well-formed organs, because you psychiatrists do not understand what is the problem here but hope surgery may do the poor wretch some good."


    The zeal for this sex-change surgery--perhaps, with the exception of frontal lobotomy, the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists--did not derive from critical reasoning or thoughtful assessments. These were so faulty that no one holds them up anymore as standards for launching any therapeutic exercise, let alone one so irretrievable as a sex-change operation. The energy came from the fashions of the seventies that invaded the clinic--if you can do it and he wants it, why not do it? It was all tied up with the spirit of doing your thing, following your bliss, an aesthetic that sees diversity as everything and can accept any idea, including that of permanent sex change, as interesting and that views resistance to such ideas as uptight if not oppressive. Moral matters should have some salience here. These include the waste of human resources; the confusions imposed on society where these men/women insist on acceptance, even in athletic competition, with women; the encouragement of the "illusion of technique," which assumes that the body is like a suit of clothes to be hemmed and stitched to style; and, finally, the ghastliness of the mutilated anatomy. But lay these strong moral objections aside and consider only that this surgical practice has distracted effort from genuine investigations attempting to find out just what has gone wrong for these people--what has, by their testimony, given them years of torment and psychological distress and prompted them to accept these grim and disfiguring surgical procedures.

    We need to know how to prevent such sadness, indeed horror. We have to learn how to manage this condition as a mental disorder when we fail to prevent it. If it depends on child rearing, then let's hear about its inner dynamics so that parents can be taught to guide their children properly. If it is an aspect of confusion tied to homosexuality, we need to understand its nature and exactly how to manage it as a manifestation of serious mental disorder among homosexual individuals. But instead of attempting to learn enough to accomplish these worthy goals, psychiatrists collaborated in a exercise of folly with distressed people during a time when "do your own thing" had something akin to the force of a command. As physicians, psychiatrists, when they give in to this, abandon the role of protecting patients from their symptoms and become little more than technicians working on behalf of a cultural force. [5]

    Replies: @Wilkey, @WowJustWow

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Polynices

    Polynices, Johns Hopkins Medical Center no longer does sexual reassignment surgery. Too many post operative regrets. So, at least some physicians, highly regarded doctors, agree with your thoughts.

    , @jimbojones
    @Polynices


    "We have long realized how grotesque and wrong this was and were fortunate to discover anti-psychotic drugs (and other, milder, psychoactive drugs like anti-depressants) that actually help the people who were formerly victimized by the doctors pushing this medieval treatment."
     
    LOL. You think they got it wrong with lobotomy, and got it wrong with electroshock treatment, and got it wrong with insulin-induced seizures, but have it right now with the psycho-pills? Think again.
    Here's a good reference on the psycho-pills: Richard Whitaker's books. Particularly "Anatomy of an Epidemic."
  14. If “Caitlyn” has always been a woman, then “Caitlyn” should be stripped of her Olympic medals, because “she” won them in a men’s event.

    Let us insist that self-selected gender identities be respected – strip (the, no longer, extant) Bruce Jenner of his Gold Medals now!

    • Replies: @Jim
    @Mr. Anon

    Presumably a man who claims that he "feels" he is a woman could enter the field of women's tennis and totally dominate it making it so boring that nobody would bother watching it. Now could an adult man who "feels" he is a child compete with ten year olds in Little League? Who's do tell hin that he's not a child if that's what he "feels" he is?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  15. Well, there’s nothing “borderline” about these reactions; it’s simply insane, and the people who are cleaning up the gotcha points are simply in it for the game.

    Shades of Caligula’s horse and the Emperor’s new clothes; it’s simply amazing how inane our culture has become, and the enforcement of such inanity.

  16. If a tranny can retroactively define himself not to have ‘fathered’ children, Haven Monahan should go this route and declare that as a woman he could not have ‘raped’ Jackie. Although, I gotta admit, given that he doesn’t technically exist, that’s probably an even better defense.

    • Replies: @Jim
    @Big Dubya

    Maybe he "feels" that he exists. "I feel therefore I am".

    , @WowJustWow
    @Big Dubya

    What about the argument that having sex under any false pretense is rape? Didn't somebody in these comments the other day mention that it's a crime to pretend to be a Jew to get laid in Israel? According to that line of thought, becoming a woman would exacerbate the rapeyness of all of Haven's previous sexual encounters. And I'd be in serious trouble for convincing women that I'm cool when I'm actually boring.

    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    @Big Dubya

    There ya go, Steve, Big Dubya nailed it. Haven Monahan is THE perfect candidate for sex reassignment surgery. His non-existence is a plus. It'll just be like Dr. Tuttle from MASH!

  17. >The insistence that we not only refer to Bruce/Caitlyn as ‘she’ but also project this backwards – recognising, in the words of the Guardian, that she has ‘always been a woman’ – is borderline Orwellian. It’s a rewriting of history, a memory-holing of old inconvenient facts.

    Not “borderline” Orweillian, just the regular kind.

  18. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:

    Bruce was born in November 1949. That year the most popular girl name was Linda. (Bruce was #26 among boys, by the way.) Followed by Mary, Patricia, Barbara….

    http://www.babycenter.com/popularBabyNames.htm?year=1949

    Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn’t even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn.

    http://time.com/3903883/caitlyn-jenner-name-popularity/

    The name is on the downward swing anyway, but I think it’s popularity will plummet now.

    • Replies: @kihowi
    @WhatEvvs


    Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn’t even register until the 1990s.
     
    You put your finger on what was bothering me subconsciously. Caitlyn is a stereotypical young girl's name and makes people think of a vacant blonde teenager who says "like, totally, you guys".

    I assumed he was going to be "Brenda", because usually transsexuals want a new name that alliterates with the old one.

    Just another aspect of the profound creepiness of this whole thing.

    Replies: @WhatEvvs

    , @Anonymous
    @WhatEvvs

    "Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn’t even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn."

    I think the name Caitlyn fits in pretty well with the names Kendall, Kylie, Chloe, Courtney, Kim and Kris. I really think he wants to become like his daughters and the Kardashian women and get the sort of attention from the media and the public that they get. As a man in his family, he seemed kind of like the low person on the totem pole.

    Replies: @Kate Minter, @travis

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @WhatEvvs

    George Jorgensen renamed himself after the Danish doctor who "treated" him, Christian something-or-other.

    Even the trannies of years gone by had more respect for themselves, and others!

    , @Father O'Hara
    @WhatEvvs

    May lose popularity? Ya think?

  19. @Gaius Baltar
    Even Brendan O'Neill is submitting to this nonsense by referring to Jenner as a "her/she". No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN...period.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @donut, @Anonymous, @david

    Take it from me, a British person, the use of he/she is ironic.

  20. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:

    Progressives want it both ways.

    On the one hand they scold us about how we should live in harmony with nature. They obsess over the alleged health risks of poor diet, pesticides, environmental pollution and vaccines. And the ones of a more philosophical turn worry about how the capitalist form of society causes “alienation” in natural human relationships.’

    Then on the other hand they just ignore these concerns when they:

    Encourage young women to ingest artificial hormones, produced by pharmaceutical companies, so that these women can engage in sterile, inorganic and alienating hookups with men without forming stable relationships with any of them. I submit that women’s bodies and minds didn’t evolve to handle that sort of abuse.

    Encourage gay men to have unhygienic, medically dangerous sexual encounters with strangers. Again, no concern for their health or for the alienating aspects of using the human body abstracted from the personality as an instrument for personal hedonism.

    And in the case for Jenner, Rothblatt and similar freaks, they encourage these guys to perform all kinds of violence to their bodies, regardless of how much damage this does to these men’s previous, long-standing relationships. No concern for either their health or their alienation there, either.

    Regarding the last, I have to compare this “transgender” brain damage to something like Cotard’s delusion. I don’t see much difference between thinking that you are dead from thinking that you are “really” a woman in a man’s body.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard_delusion

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    @advancedatheist

    And what about those who feel they must have a limb amputated? They either amputate the healthy limb themselves or damage it to such a degree that a doctor must amputate it. As far as I know there is no doctor who will cut off a healthy limb for any reason, even if the "patient" swears he always felt like an amputee inside. Just like with Cotard Delusion we can ask: Why is the "patient's" wish not respected in this instance?

    For years the "proof" of transsexuality was "Their brainwaves are different." Wow, that's cast-iron. I wonder if they still talk of "female brainwaves in men"?

    Replies: @advancedatheist

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @advancedatheist


    Progressives want it both ways.
     
    No they don't. As Steve once said of neocons, they have to win "every goddam argument". And every legal battle.

    Always look for the inner consistency within the outer hypocrisy.
  21. something like Cotard’s delusion

    I want to coin the word “cotarded”, but it will be politically incorrect before I finish typing.

    O tempora, o mores!

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Reg Cæsar

    Never go Full Cotard.

  22. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know how widespread the acceptance of this particular lie is right now. I was shopping for bike wear in Manhattan yesterday when Caitlin’s reveal must have hit the fan. A bicycle store in SoHo is not a redoubt of conservatism in this country. Anyway, while I was browsing, one young, thin, white male store clerk showed something on a computer screen to another saying contemptuously “that’s Bruce Jenner.” “Oh my God, THAT’s Bruce Jenner?” And they laughed about that for a minute or two.

    The Kardashians are tacky to most people. And a lot of their tacky ridiculousness must have rubbed off on Bruce. He’s a poor spokesman for the media’s agenda.

  23. Meanwhile, from the Department of the Farthest Left, the Gatekeepers aren’t fooled:
    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/02/reality-warts-and-all/

  24. @Reg Cæsar

    something like Cotard’s delusion
     
    I want to coin the word "cotarded", but it will be politically incorrect before I finish typing.

    O tempora, o mores!

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Never go Full Cotard.

  25. Cryptogenic [AKA "Mr. Zeepie"] says:
    @advancedatheist
    Progressives want it both ways.

    On the one hand they scold us about how we should live in harmony with nature. They obsess over the alleged health risks of poor diet, pesticides, environmental pollution and vaccines. And the ones of a more philosophical turn worry about how the capitalist form of society causes "alienation" in natural human relationships.'

    Then on the other hand they just ignore these concerns when they:

    Encourage young women to ingest artificial hormones, produced by pharmaceutical companies, so that these women can engage in sterile, inorganic and alienating hookups with men without forming stable relationships with any of them. I submit that women's bodies and minds didn't evolve to handle that sort of abuse.

    Encourage gay men to have unhygienic, medically dangerous sexual encounters with strangers. Again, no concern for their health or for the alienating aspects of using the human body abstracted from the personality as an instrument for personal hedonism.

    And in the case for Jenner, Rothblatt and similar freaks, they encourage these guys to perform all kinds of violence to their bodies, regardless of how much damage this does to these men's previous, long-standing relationships. No concern for either their health or their alienation there, either.

    Regarding the last, I have to compare this "transgender" brain damage to something like Cotard's delusion. I don't see much difference between thinking that you are dead from thinking that you are "really" a woman in a man's body.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard_delusion

    Replies: @Cryptogenic, @Reg Cæsar

    And what about those who feel they must have a limb amputated? They either amputate the healthy limb themselves or damage it to such a degree that a doctor must amputate it. As far as I know there is no doctor who will cut off a healthy limb for any reason, even if the “patient” swears he always felt like an amputee inside. Just like with Cotard Delusion we can ask: Why is the “patient’s” wish not respected in this instance?

    For years the “proof” of transsexuality was “Their brainwaves are different.” Wow, that’s cast-iron. I wonder if they still talk of “female brainwaves in men”?

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @Cryptogenic

    Yeah, funny how the Social Justice vandals like psychology and neuroscience when these fields supports their agenda of destroying organic sex roles, but not when they show cognitive differences between whites and blacks.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  26. @WhatEvvs
    Bruce was born in November 1949. That year the most popular girl name was Linda. (Bruce was #26 among boys, by the way.) Followed by Mary, Patricia, Barbara....

    http://www.babycenter.com/popularBabyNames.htm?year=1949

    Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn't even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn.

    http://time.com/3903883/caitlyn-jenner-name-popularity/

    The name is on the downward swing anyway, but I think it's popularity will plummet now.

    Replies: @kihowi, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn’t even register until the 1990s.

    You put your finger on what was bothering me subconsciously. Caitlyn is a stereotypical young girl’s name and makes people think of a vacant blonde teenager who says “like, totally, you guys”.

    I assumed he was going to be “Brenda”, because usually transsexuals want a new name that alliterates with the old one.

    Just another aspect of the profound creepiness of this whole thing.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    @kihowi

    I always thought the name Caitlyn (and its various derivations/spellings) was more popular than the link I provided says. Well, I learned something....

    Seriously, I do think that the choice of name is revealing. Take a classical, beautiful name like Elizabeth or Helen (don't laugh, Helen now sounds very grannyish but it is a pure, classical name), and it would have indicated something else about Bruce, however misguided the whole thing is. That he chose a trendy-girly name like Caitlyn really gives away the tawdriness of the entire business.

    But I suppose I am being redundant.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  27. @Cattle Guard
    So, if a high-testosterone female athlete retires and transitions to male, will she then be stripped of female championships and other honors "he won while identifying as a woman"?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “So, if a high-testosterone female athlete retires and transitions to male, will she then be stripped of female championships and other honors “he won while identifying as a woman”?”

    That’s a really good question.

    • Replies: @Another anon
    @Anonymous

    Not the Olympics, but the 1986 European Champion in women's shot put has since transitioned to male. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Krieger As far as I can tell, no medals have been stripped. In fact she/he has an anti-doping award named in her/his honor.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  28. Jim says:
    @Mr. Anon
    If "Caitlyn" has always been a woman, then "Caitlyn" should be stripped of her Olympic medals, because "she" won them in a men's event.

    Let us insist that self-selected gender identities be respected - strip (the, no longer, extant) Bruce Jenner of his Gold Medals now!

    Replies: @Jim

    Presumably a man who claims that he “feels” he is a woman could enter the field of women’s tennis and totally dominate it making it so boring that nobody would bother watching it. Now could an adult man who “feels” he is a child compete with ten year olds in Little League? Who’s do tell hin that he’s not a child if that’s what he “feels” he is?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jim

    Renee Richards did just that,but she didn't really dominate. She wasn't a top mens player b4 the transition. Also it seems the urge to transition doesn't coincide with peak athletic years.

  29. @Big Dubya
    If a tranny can retroactively define himself not to have 'fathered' children, Haven Monahan should go this route and declare that as a woman he could not have 'raped' Jackie. Although, I gotta admit, given that he doesn't technically exist, that's probably an even better defense.

    Replies: @Jim, @WowJustWow, @Gato de la Biblioteca

    Maybe he “feels” that he exists. “I feel therefore I am”.

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @WhatEvvs
    Bruce was born in November 1949. That year the most popular girl name was Linda. (Bruce was #26 among boys, by the way.) Followed by Mary, Patricia, Barbara....

    http://www.babycenter.com/popularBabyNames.htm?year=1949

    Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn't even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn.

    http://time.com/3903883/caitlyn-jenner-name-popularity/

    The name is on the downward swing anyway, but I think it's popularity will plummet now.

    Replies: @kihowi, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    “Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn’t even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn.”

    I think the name Caitlyn fits in pretty well with the names Kendall, Kylie, Chloe, Courtney, Kim and Kris. I really think he wants to become like his daughters and the Kardashian women and get the sort of attention from the media and the public that they get. As a man in his family, he seemed kind of like the low person on the totem pole.

    • Replies: @Kate Minter
    @Anonymous

    All of their names start with a K. To give himself a "c" name still makes him different from them.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @travis
    @Anonymous

    you are probably correct..he may be laughing to the bank..he is still banging women and still has his male genitalia..probably is a transvestite who gets off dressing like a girl.

  31. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:
    @Cryptogenic
    @advancedatheist

    And what about those who feel they must have a limb amputated? They either amputate the healthy limb themselves or damage it to such a degree that a doctor must amputate it. As far as I know there is no doctor who will cut off a healthy limb for any reason, even if the "patient" swears he always felt like an amputee inside. Just like with Cotard Delusion we can ask: Why is the "patient's" wish not respected in this instance?

    For years the "proof" of transsexuality was "Their brainwaves are different." Wow, that's cast-iron. I wonder if they still talk of "female brainwaves in men"?

    Replies: @advancedatheist

    Yeah, funny how the Social Justice vandals like psychology and neuroscience when these fields supports their agenda of destroying organic sex roles, but not when they show cognitive differences between whites and blacks.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @advancedatheist

    Don't forget that all humans are born as blank slates...except for their sexual orientation. That is fixed and immutable. Giving a man voluntary cognitive theory and maybe a little electroshock to reduce his attraction to men - evil. Lopping off a dude's wiener to turn him into a "her" - no big deal, happens everyday.

    But don't you dare suggest trimming the turtleneck on your newborn son's wee wee.

  32. @Polynices
    The mainstream medical establishment used to think it was healthy and normal to jam an ice-pick into a mentally ill person's brain and swish it around to destroy connections between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain. Look up what a "frontal lobotomy" was if you think I am exaggerating. We have long realized how grotesque and wrong this was and were fortunate to discover anti-psychotic drugs (and other, milder, psychoactive drugs like anti-depressants) that actually help the people who were formerly victimized by the doctors pushing this medieval treatment. For decades now, lobotomies have been an embarrassment to the field of psychiatry and medicine in general.

    Now the mainstream medical establishment is telling us that it is perfectly normal to mutilate the genitals of a mentally ill person instead of giving them the anti-psychotics and psychotherapy (and probably other drugs) that might actually help them get over their psychotically delusional notion that they're not actually the sex that they biologically are down to every single cell in their bodies.

    I hope that it takes much less than a few decades (though I am not optimistic here) for us to realize how grotesque and wrong this sex-change delusion among both patients and providers is.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Buffalo Joe, @jimbojones

    Some people in the medical community take a dim view of the whole “gender-reassignment” business.Here’s an article by Paul McHugh:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

    From journalist John Colapinto:

    “McHugh has always reserved special scorn for the practice of sex-change surgery on adult transsexuals. Classifying transsexualism as merely one symptom in a larger complex of personality disorders, McHugh had long believed that psychiatrists should treat such patients with the talking cure, not radical, irreversible surgeries. In a 1992 article in the American Scholar, McHugh lambasted transsexual surgery as ‘the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists’ and likened its popularity to the once widespread practice of frontal lobotomy.”[1]

    From USA Today:

    “McHugh is a leading proponent of the notion that the cause is not biological, that transgender people have chosen this path. He halted the university hospital’s practice of performing gender reassignment surgeries in the late 1970s because, he says, a study indicated that postoperative transsexuals were no happier than they were before the operation. “You can live any way you want, but don’t come to us and ask us to give medical resources to this proposal of yours, because we think it’s a social construct and not a condition of nature,” McHugh says. “No one has demonstrated any physical mechanism or physical problem that causes this. The burden of proof is on them to prove that.””[2]

    From historian Joanne Meyerowitz:

    “In the late 1970s, however, the climate began to change. The first signs were seen at Johns Hopkins, where the chairman of the Psychiatry department, Dr. Joel Elkes, was replaced by Dr. Paul McHugh. McHugh saw SRS as unnecessary mutilation, and set out to kill the program. He assigned Dr. John Meyer to do a long-term follow-up study of 50 transsexuals who underwent SRS at Johns Hopkins. Meyer’s report, issued in 1977, claimed that SRS confers no objective advantage in terms of social rehabilitation for transsexuals. Although the paper was widely criticized as flawed, it led to the October 1979 closing of the Johns Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic.”[3]

    From sexologist J. Michael Bailey:

    “McHugh objected that clinicians naively accepted transsexual patients’ histories of having been quite feminine, when there was ample evidence in many cases that the histories were false (for example, a married man who presents as conventionally masculine). This objection is often correct, though it has no obvious relevance to the advisability of sex reassignment. Furthermore, and more importantly, McHugh argued that it is simply wrong for physicians to “mutilate” perfectly good organs because the transsexual patient’s troubled mind wants this: “[The focus on surgery] has distracted effort from genuine investigations attempting to find out just what has gone wrong for these people–what has, by their testimony, given them years of torment and psychological distress and prompted them to accept these grim and disfiguring surgical procedures. McHugh’s concerns are worth taking seriously. Consider the case of the man erotically obsessed with having his leg amputated. Would it be advisable or even ethical to remove the leg? And McHugh is correct that interest in sex reassignment medicine has far exceeded interest in changing the minds of transsexual people so they do not want to change their sex. Transsexualism is, after all, a condition of the mind and brain.”[4]

    Excerpt from Psychiatric Misadventures by Paul R. McHugh

    This interrelationship of cultural antinomianism and a psychiatric misplaced emphasis is seen at its grimmest in the practice known as sex-reassignment surgery. I happen to know about this because Johns Hopkins was one of the places in the United States where this practice was given its start. It was part of my intention, when I arrived in Baltimore in 1975, to help end it.

    Not uncommonly, a person comes to the clinic and says something like, “As long as I can remember, I’ve thought I was in the wrong body. True, I’ve married and had a couple of kids, and I’ve had a number of homosexual encounters, but always, in the back and now more often in the front of my mind, there’s this idea that actually I’m more a woman than a man.”

    When we ask what he has done about this, the man often says, “I’ve tried dressing like a woman and feel quite comfortable. I’ve eve made myself up and gone out in public. I can get away with it because it’s all so natural to me. I’m here because all this male equipment is disgusting to me. I want medical help to change my body: hormone treatments, silicone implants, surgical amputation of my genitalia, and the construction of a vagina. Will you do it?” The patient claims it is a torture for him to live as a man, especially now that he has read in the newspapers about the possibility of switching surgically to womanhood. Upon examination it is not difficult to identify other mental and personality difficulties in him, but he is primarily disquieted because of his intrusive thoughts that his sex is not a settled issue in his life.

    Experts say that “gender identity,” a sense of one’s own maleness or femaleness, is complicated. They believe that it will emerge through the step-like features of most complex developmental processes in which nature and nurture combine. They venture that, although their research on those born with genital and hormonal abnormalities may not apply to a person with normal bodily structures, something must have gone wrong in this patient’s early and formative life to cause him to feel as he does. Why not help him look more like what he says he feels? Our surgeons can do it. What the hell!

    The skills of our plastic surgeons, particularly on the genito-urinary system, are impressive. They were obtained, however, not to treat the gender identity problem, but to repair congenital defects, injuries, and the effects of destructive diseases such as cancer in this region of the body.

    That you can get something done doesn’t always mean that you should do it. In sex reassignment cases, there are so many problems right at the start. The patient’s claim that this has been a lifelong problem is seldom checked with others who have known him since childhood. It seems so intrusive and untrusting to discuss the problem with others, even though they might provide a better gage of the seriousness of the problem, how it emerged, its fluctuations of intensity over time, and its connection with other experiences. When you discuss what the patient means by “feeling like a woman,” you often get a sex stereotype in return–something that woman physicians note immediately is a male caricature of women’s attitudes and interests. One of our patients, for example, said that, as a woman, he would be more “invested with being than with doing.”

    It is not obvious how this patient’s feeling that he is a woman trapped in a man’s body differs from the feeling of a patient with anorexia nervosa that she is obese despite her emaciated, cachectic state. We don’t do liposuction on anorexics. Why amputate the genitals of these poor men? Surely, the fault is in the mind not the member.

    Yet, if you justify augmenting breasts for women who feel underendowed, why not do it and more for the man who wants to be a woman? A plastic surgeon at Johns Hopkins provided the voice of reality for me on this matter based on his practice and his natural awe at the mystery of the body. One day while we were talking about it, he said to me: “Imagine what it’s like to get up at dawn and think about spending the day slashing with a knife at perfectly well-formed organs, because you psychiatrists do not understand what is the problem here but hope surgery may do the poor wretch some good.”

    The zeal for this sex-change surgery–perhaps, with the exception of frontal lobotomy, the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists–did not derive from critical reasoning or thoughtful assessments. These were so faulty that no one holds them up anymore as standards for launching any therapeutic exercise, let alone one so irretrievable as a sex-change operation. The energy came from the fashions of the seventies that invaded the clinic–if you can do it and he wants it, why not do it? It was all tied up with the spirit of doing your thing, following your bliss, an aesthetic that sees diversity as everything and can accept any idea, including that of permanent sex change, as interesting and that views resistance to such ideas as uptight if not oppressive. Moral matters should have some salience here. These include the waste of human resources; the confusions imposed on society where these men/women insist on acceptance, even in athletic competition, with women; the encouragement of the “illusion of technique,” which assumes that the body is like a suit of clothes to be hemmed and stitched to style; and, finally, the ghastliness of the mutilated anatomy. But lay these strong moral objections aside and consider only that this surgical practice has distracted effort from genuine investigations attempting to find out just what has gone wrong for these people–what has, by their testimony, given them years of torment and psychological distress and prompted them to accept these grim and disfiguring surgical procedures.

    We need to know how to prevent such sadness, indeed horror. We have to learn how to manage this condition as a mental disorder when we fail to prevent it. If it depends on child rearing, then let’s hear about its inner dynamics so that parents can be taught to guide their children properly. If it is an aspect of confusion tied to homosexuality, we need to understand its nature and exactly how to manage it as a manifestation of serious mental disorder among homosexual individuals. But instead of attempting to learn enough to accomplish these worthy goals, psychiatrists collaborated in a exercise of folly with distressed people during a time when “do your own thing” had something akin to the force of a command. As physicians, psychiatrists, when they give in to this, abandon the role of protecting patients from their symptoms and become little more than technicians working on behalf of a cultural force. [5]

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @syonredux

    "He halted the university hospital’s practice of performing gender reassignment surgeries in the late 1970s because, he says, a study indicated that postoperative transsexuals were no happier than they were before the operation."

    The problem with such studies - and it does not favor the pro-gender reassignment camp - is that, having made such drastic changes to their body in a manner that much of society finds distasteful, it's likely that many patients will be unwilling to express regret, even to their doctors and shrinks.

    , @WowJustWow
    @syonredux

    "McHugh objected that clinicians naively accepted transsexual patients’ histories of having been quite feminine, when there was ample evidence in many cases that the histories were false (for example, a married man who presents as conventionally masculine). This objection is often correct, though it has no obvious relevance to the advisability of sex reassignment."

    It's highly relevant if it demonstrates the patient's confusion not only over what gender he is, but over what kinds of things are masculine or feminine in the first place. And that happens more often than you'd think.

    Male-to-female transgenders are highly overrepresented in the computer technology community. They have stereotypically geeky male interests (e.g. playing violent video games, dressing like slobs).

    And some of them have great big bushy beards that would be the envy of any Al-Qaeda terrorist.

    Now, the most charitable interpretation of their facial hirsuteness that I could think of is that only men need to shave their faces, so that if they were to shave every day, they would be "enacting" a male identity somehow. But then one of them said he doesn't think there is anything masculine at all about growing a beard, so that theory was out. Of course, if a cis-woman (a woman born as a woman and identifying as a woman, a.k.a. a normal woman) chose to get a hair transplant so that she could grow thick facial hair, nobody on earth would say she's just choosing one particular look from a range of potentially feminine options. It's one thing to indulge people in their fantasies of what they are. It's another thing entirely to indulge them in their delusional definitions of the social reality they think they're defining themselves against.

    But that's what happens. The only option for ordinary people in the tech community is to walk on eggshells around them. Not only do you have to accept their declaration of what gender they are, you also have to accept each one's own idiosyncratic definition of what it means to be that gender, and you have no way of knowing that except by asking questions that will get you labeled as insensitive, so it's best to avoid interaction with them as much as possible even if you're a tolerant, good-thinking person. I suspect it's easier to deal with them if you're well-trained in university nonsense studies and can flip back and forth between contradictory stances with ease. If you see a bearded lady, just switch your mindset back to the "there are intrinsic no differences between men and women" memeplex. Then thirty seconds later when somebody asks you how a man can know he's really a woman, you tell them that men are intrinsically different from women, because transwomen are, quite literally, the exception that proves the rule. Then, the bigot asks, might these differences be relevant to understanding, for instance, why women make less money than men? No, because there are no intrinsic differences between men and women, because a trans identity can mean anything at all, because all categories are fluid. Get it?

    Replies: @anonymous

  33. Erica Blair has always been
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell .

    • Replies: @Bad Memories
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    And had a Hitler mustache at one stage.

    Wake up sheeple!

  34. “You [Mr. Sailer] believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you. But I tell you, [Mr. Sailer], that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got to relearn, [Mr. Sailer]. It needs an act of self- destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane.”

  35. Nature is infinitely protean in the progressive mind.

    I recently noticed Scottish official documents on immigration referring to migrants as Scots-Pakistanis and Scots-Nigerians etc. when talking of the time before they had come to Scotland, as if they had somehow always Scottish.

    Even if this was clumsy wording the eagerness is telling.

  36. If Anderson Silva decided that he wants to start self identifying himself as a woman, could he legally fight Ronda Rousey inside the UFC octagon? After all gender is just a social construct and so is height and weight.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @Jefferson

    You don't follow the news enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

    Replies: @Jimbo Jones

    , @Jimbo JOnes
    @Jefferson

    @Jefferson,

    Why, yes, he/she could!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

  37. @Anonymous
    OT: Boston Globe (6/1/15) To get into elite colleges, some advised to ‘appear less Asian’

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Maybe in the future….to get into some elite colleges, try to look less white male.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Maybe in the future….to get into some elite colleges, try to look less white male."

    No kidding. I've mentioned this before, but if you go to the websites of many of our country's best universities, you'll see lots of photos of women and vibrant students, but you'll have a hard time seeing photos of all-American-looking male students. It's quite shocking and a little depressing.

    For instance, go to Princeton's site (www.princeton.edu) and click on any of the main headings - you'll see a bunch of pages with photos of women and vibrant students, or the best - photos of vibrant women. Sigh.

    These universities and colleges, that I held in great esteem when I was younger, hold very little appeal for me today.

  38. A few years ago I had cause to interview a group of managers of Thai gay bars (to do with a financial scandal I was investigating.)

    In chatting they spontaneously said that one of their biggest management problems was dealing with ladyboys who cut their bits off, because they almost invariably seemed to acquire mental problems.

    They said that they spent a fair bit of their time trying to persuade their ‘boys’ not to do the irrevocable. The consensus was that no-one loves an old tranny.

    And these were gay men who see ladyboys and the like in industrial quantities.

    (I am straight.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    It's a primitive southeast Asian bad idea that's taking over America.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Chrisnonymous

    , @William BadWhite
    @Bill B.

    "And these were gay men who see ladyboys and the like in industrial quantities."

    "(I am straight)"

    You mean "normal", not "straight"

  39. Bruce Jenner can lop off his wiener, get hormone therapy and breast implants, dress like a woman, act like a women, and change his name to a woman’s name. All fine and dandy. All of that is a testament to our freedom, not to mention medical technology, and perhaps this nation is better for it.

    But none of that makes him a woman. He is not a woman. Bruce Jenner can change his name to Caitlyn. No big deal. I will refer to him as Caitlyn. I am sure the “liberals” who endlessly profess their love of diversity, freedom of speech, and freedom of thought will have no problem with that.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Wilkey

    Remember when those of us on this board were talking about the absurdity of "gay marriage?" Well here's where we end up.

  40. @Polynices
    The mainstream medical establishment used to think it was healthy and normal to jam an ice-pick into a mentally ill person's brain and swish it around to destroy connections between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain. Look up what a "frontal lobotomy" was if you think I am exaggerating. We have long realized how grotesque and wrong this was and were fortunate to discover anti-psychotic drugs (and other, milder, psychoactive drugs like anti-depressants) that actually help the people who were formerly victimized by the doctors pushing this medieval treatment. For decades now, lobotomies have been an embarrassment to the field of psychiatry and medicine in general.

    Now the mainstream medical establishment is telling us that it is perfectly normal to mutilate the genitals of a mentally ill person instead of giving them the anti-psychotics and psychotherapy (and probably other drugs) that might actually help them get over their psychotically delusional notion that they're not actually the sex that they biologically are down to every single cell in their bodies.

    I hope that it takes much less than a few decades (though I am not optimistic here) for us to realize how grotesque and wrong this sex-change delusion among both patients and providers is.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Buffalo Joe, @jimbojones

    Polynices, Johns Hopkins Medical Center no longer does sexual reassignment surgery. Too many post operative regrets. So, at least some physicians, highly regarded doctors, agree with your thoughts.

  41. The fact that the MSM promotes this cross dressing freak Jenner just shows how debased and worthless it has become. 25 years ago such freaks were relegated to the LA Free Press or some other alternative lifestyle rag because the MSM wouldn’t touch stories like this.

    But nowadays where the MSM does daily segments on Dancing with the Stars or excerpts from TMZ you know it’s not a news show anymore – it’s entertainment merged with a propaganda machine designed to pump a certain set of toxic value and behaviors into the populace.

    Ed Bernays would be estatic if he were able to see what TPTB has done with his ideas.

    As for the reconning of the freak in Wikipedia, well it is wikipedia it’s certainly not something even remotely trustworthy and more a example of GIGO.

  42. @advancedatheist
    @Cryptogenic

    Yeah, funny how the Social Justice vandals like psychology and neuroscience when these fields supports their agenda of destroying organic sex roles, but not when they show cognitive differences between whites and blacks.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Don’t forget that all humans are born as blank slates…except for their sexual orientation. That is fixed and immutable. Giving a man voluntary cognitive theory and maybe a little electroshock to reduce his attraction to men – evil. Lopping off a dude’s wiener to turn him into a “her” – no big deal, happens everyday.

    But don’t you dare suggest trimming the turtleneck on your newborn son’s wee wee.

  43. What has Bruce Jenner done since the ’76 Olympics–aside from fathering 6 children with 3 different women?

    So, his current purpose, in concert with the E!-Kardashian enterprise is as click-bait and attracting eyeballs for entertainment. He’s a prop for media–just as he was as a track & field competitor.

    Gotta love Wikipedia stating [she] was the Associated Press’ Male Athlete of the Year for 1976. Talk about identity confusion…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Forbes

    He's a full-time professional celebrity. He has been upfront over the last 39 years that he intends to never again do a day of non-celebrity work in his life. His best line in an article I read 15 or 20 years ago was that on his deathbed he plans to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @David In TN, @Father O'Hara

  44. Every time Lady Boy Jenner does media interviews like “The Today Show” or “The View”, the 1978 song “I’m Every Woman” by Chaka Khan should immediately start blasting from the studio speakers.

  45. @syonredux
    @Polynices

    Some people in the medical community take a dim view of the whole "gender-reassignment" business.Here's an article by Paul McHugh:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120


    From journalist John Colapinto:

    "McHugh has always reserved special scorn for the practice of sex-change surgery on adult transsexuals. Classifying transsexualism as merely one symptom in a larger complex of personality disorders, McHugh had long believed that psychiatrists should treat such patients with the talking cure, not radical, irreversible surgeries. In a 1992 article in the American Scholar, McHugh lambasted transsexual surgery as 'the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists' and likened its popularity to the once widespread practice of frontal lobotomy."[1]

    From USA Today:

    "McHugh is a leading proponent of the notion that the cause is not biological, that transgender people have chosen this path. He halted the university hospital's practice of performing gender reassignment surgeries in the late 1970s because, he says, a study indicated that postoperative transsexuals were no happier than they were before the operation. "You can live any way you want, but don't come to us and ask us to give medical resources to this proposal of yours, because we think it's a social construct and not a condition of nature," McHugh says. "No one has demonstrated any physical mechanism or physical problem that causes this. The burden of proof is on them to prove that.""[2]

    From historian Joanne Meyerowitz:

    "In the late 1970s, however, the climate began to change. The first signs were seen at Johns Hopkins, where the chairman of the Psychiatry department, Dr. Joel Elkes, was replaced by Dr. Paul McHugh. McHugh saw SRS as unnecessary mutilation, and set out to kill the program. He assigned Dr. John Meyer to do a long-term follow-up study of 50 transsexuals who underwent SRS at Johns Hopkins. Meyer's report, issued in 1977, claimed that SRS confers no objective advantage in terms of social rehabilitation for transsexuals. Although the paper was widely criticized as flawed, it led to the October 1979 closing of the Johns Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic."[3]


    From sexologist J. Michael Bailey:

    "McHugh objected that clinicians naively accepted transsexual patients' histories of having been quite feminine, when there was ample evidence in many cases that the histories were false (for example, a married man who presents as conventionally masculine). This objection is often correct, though it has no obvious relevance to the advisability of sex reassignment. Furthermore, and more importantly, McHugh argued that it is simply wrong for physicians to "mutilate" perfectly good organs because the transsexual patient's troubled mind wants this: "[The focus on surgery] has distracted effort from genuine investigations attempting to find out just what has gone wrong for these people--what has, by their testimony, given them years of torment and psychological distress and prompted them to accept these grim and disfiguring surgical procedures. McHugh's concerns are worth taking seriously. Consider the case of the man erotically obsessed with having his leg amputated. Would it be advisable or even ethical to remove the leg? And McHugh is correct that interest in sex reassignment medicine has far exceeded interest in changing the minds of transsexual people so they do not want to change their sex. Transsexualism is, after all, a condition of the mind and brain."[4]



    Excerpt from Psychiatric Misadventures by Paul R. McHugh

    This interrelationship of cultural antinomianism and a psychiatric misplaced emphasis is seen at its grimmest in the practice known as sex-reassignment surgery. I happen to know about this because Johns Hopkins was one of the places in the United States where this practice was given its start. It was part of my intention, when I arrived in Baltimore in 1975, to help end it.

    Not uncommonly, a person comes to the clinic and says something like, "As long as I can remember, I've thought I was in the wrong body. True, I've married and had a couple of kids, and I've had a number of homosexual encounters, but always, in the back and now more often in the front of my mind, there's this idea that actually I'm more a woman than a man."

    When we ask what he has done about this, the man often says, "I've tried dressing like a woman and feel quite comfortable. I've eve made myself up and gone out in public. I can get away with it because it's all so natural to me. I'm here because all this male equipment is disgusting to me. I want medical help to change my body: hormone treatments, silicone implants, surgical amputation of my genitalia, and the construction of a vagina. Will you do it?" The patient claims it is a torture for him to live as a man, especially now that he has read in the newspapers about the possibility of switching surgically to womanhood. Upon examination it is not difficult to identify other mental and personality difficulties in him, but he is primarily disquieted because of his intrusive thoughts that his sex is not a settled issue in his life.

    Experts say that "gender identity," a sense of one's own maleness or femaleness, is complicated. They believe that it will emerge through the step-like features of most complex developmental processes in which nature and nurture combine. They venture that, although their research on those born with genital and hormonal abnormalities may not apply to a person with normal bodily structures, something must have gone wrong in this patient's early and formative life to cause him to feel as he does. Why not help him look more like what he says he feels? Our surgeons can do it. What the hell!

    The skills of our plastic surgeons, particularly on the genito-urinary system, are impressive. They were obtained, however, not to treat the gender identity problem, but to repair congenital defects, injuries, and the effects of destructive diseases such as cancer in this region of the body.

    That you can get something done doesn't always mean that you should do it. In sex reassignment cases, there are so many problems right at the start. The patient's claim that this has been a lifelong problem is seldom checked with others who have known him since childhood. It seems so intrusive and untrusting to discuss the problem with others, even though they might provide a better gage of the seriousness of the problem, how it emerged, its fluctuations of intensity over time, and its connection with other experiences. When you discuss what the patient means by "feeling like a woman," you often get a sex stereotype in return--something that woman physicians note immediately is a male caricature of women's attitudes and interests. One of our patients, for example, said that, as a woman, he would be more "invested with being than with doing."

    It is not obvious how this patient's feeling that he is a woman trapped in a man's body differs from the feeling of a patient with anorexia nervosa that she is obese despite her emaciated, cachectic state. We don't do liposuction on anorexics. Why amputate the genitals of these poor men? Surely, the fault is in the mind not the member.

    Yet, if you justify augmenting breasts for women who feel underendowed, why not do it and more for the man who wants to be a woman? A plastic surgeon at Johns Hopkins provided the voice of reality for me on this matter based on his practice and his natural awe at the mystery of the body. One day while we were talking about it, he said to me: "Imagine what it's like to get up at dawn and think about spending the day slashing with a knife at perfectly well-formed organs, because you psychiatrists do not understand what is the problem here but hope surgery may do the poor wretch some good."


    The zeal for this sex-change surgery--perhaps, with the exception of frontal lobotomy, the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists--did not derive from critical reasoning or thoughtful assessments. These were so faulty that no one holds them up anymore as standards for launching any therapeutic exercise, let alone one so irretrievable as a sex-change operation. The energy came from the fashions of the seventies that invaded the clinic--if you can do it and he wants it, why not do it? It was all tied up with the spirit of doing your thing, following your bliss, an aesthetic that sees diversity as everything and can accept any idea, including that of permanent sex change, as interesting and that views resistance to such ideas as uptight if not oppressive. Moral matters should have some salience here. These include the waste of human resources; the confusions imposed on society where these men/women insist on acceptance, even in athletic competition, with women; the encouragement of the "illusion of technique," which assumes that the body is like a suit of clothes to be hemmed and stitched to style; and, finally, the ghastliness of the mutilated anatomy. But lay these strong moral objections aside and consider only that this surgical practice has distracted effort from genuine investigations attempting to find out just what has gone wrong for these people--what has, by their testimony, given them years of torment and psychological distress and prompted them to accept these grim and disfiguring surgical procedures.

    We need to know how to prevent such sadness, indeed horror. We have to learn how to manage this condition as a mental disorder when we fail to prevent it. If it depends on child rearing, then let's hear about its inner dynamics so that parents can be taught to guide their children properly. If it is an aspect of confusion tied to homosexuality, we need to understand its nature and exactly how to manage it as a manifestation of serious mental disorder among homosexual individuals. But instead of attempting to learn enough to accomplish these worthy goals, psychiatrists collaborated in a exercise of folly with distressed people during a time when "do your own thing" had something akin to the force of a command. As physicians, psychiatrists, when they give in to this, abandon the role of protecting patients from their symptoms and become little more than technicians working on behalf of a cultural force. [5]

    Replies: @Wilkey, @WowJustWow

    “He halted the university hospital’s practice of performing gender reassignment surgeries in the late 1970s because, he says, a study indicated that postoperative transsexuals were no happier than they were before the operation.”

    The problem with such studies – and it does not favor the pro-gender reassignment camp – is that, having made such drastic changes to their body in a manner that much of society finds distasteful, it’s likely that many patients will be unwilling to express regret, even to their doctors and shrinks.

  46. Look on the bright side: the Republican Party finally has the spokesperson it deserves.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Lex Corvus

    Not until he proves he's had his balls removed.

  47. I don’t see the public taking this seriously. It’s too marginal. It’s gross, we are talking body altering operations here. Even hippies will reject this as too far from nature/status-quo/alternative-choice to tolerate. This stuff is nothing short of bizarre.

    This is the stuff freak-show circuses used to be made of. Now with our awesome technology, we can put it on people’s phones. This is nothing to be proud of.

    This stuff isn’t even remotely reality based. Popular entertainment has to mix fiction with reality/familiarity in order to be effective. I don’t know what the optimal ratio is, but there must be a mix. This stuff is is designed to avoid reality, kind of like 99% made-up fantasy/sci-fi.

    Will this generate anything more than “look at that freak” click-hole smart phone clicks? No way.

  48. Peter Meyer [AKA "Peter Fagan"] says:

    Living in 2015 doesn’t feel like 1984 to me; the current elites simply don’t have that level of ruthless conviction. Drone strikes and Guantanamo are child’s play by Stalinist standards. Can anyone imagine the pampered Obama types overseeing gulags and mass show trials? They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state. What the modern world really feels like, as another commenter said, is The Twilight Zone, a surreal world as opposed to a malevolent one. Picture, if you will…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Meyer

    It's closer to the 1985 movie "Brazil" than "1984." I've always assumed the idea behind "Brazil" is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written "1984" instead of George Orwell. I've never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @syonredux, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Rob McX
    @Peter Meyer

    They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state.

    Maybe they don't need a proper totalitarian state, because the type of regime they have is just as effective. If they went full Stalinist, it might wake people up. People can be more easily induced to conform by the media and entertainment industry than by draconian laws. Under the present system, the consequences of thoughtcrime are not the Gulag, but losing one's job and being ostracised.

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @Busby
    @Peter Meyer

    Can anyone imagine the pampered Obama types overseeing gulags and mass show trials? They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state.

    Oh I can. In fact it's scarier than 1984. Most of the goons and cretins in the gulag and Auschwitz were guys drawing a pay check and indulging in some gratuitous bullying. I can think of nothing worse than being in the clutches of a true believer.

    Replies: @Peter Meyer, @Hersh

  49. This probably isn’t the next big thing, but maybe it will the next next big thing. It won’t be called a disorder for much longer. “Transablilism” has already replaced this as the term used in the media.

    Using surgery to mutilate the disturbed is apparently the mark of a progressive society.

    From Wikipedia:

    Body integrity identity disorder (BIID, also referred to as amputee identity disorder[1]) is a psychological disorder wherein sufferers feel they would be happier living as an amputee. It is related to xenomelia, “the oppressive feeling that one or more limbs of one’s body do not belong to one’s self”.[2]

    BIID is typically accompanied by the desire to amputate one or more healthy limbs to achieve that end. BIID can be associated with apotemnophilia, sexual arousal based on the image of one’s self as an amputee. The cause of BIID is unknown. One theory states that the cause of BIID is a neurological failing of the brain’s inner body mapping function (located in the right parietal lobe). According to this theory, the brain mapping does not incorporate the affected limb in its understanding of the body’s physical form

    • Replies: @jon
    @Isaac Bickerstaff


    This probably isn’t the next big thing, but maybe it will the next next big thing. It won’t be called a disorder for much longer. “Transablilism” has already replaced this as the term used in the media.
     
    It's already the study of serious academic research:

    Becoming disabled by choice, not chance: ‘Transabled’ people feel like impostors in their fully working bodies

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/becoming-disabled-by-choice-not-chance-transabled-people-feel-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies#__federated=1
  50. @Forbes
    What has Bruce Jenner done since the '76 Olympics--aside from fathering 6 children with 3 different women?

    So, his current purpose, in concert with the E!-Kardashian enterprise is as click-bait and attracting eyeballs for entertainment. He's a prop for media--just as he was as a track & field competitor.

    Gotta love Wikipedia stating [she] was the Associated Press' Male Athlete of the Year for 1976. Talk about identity confusion...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    He’s a full-time professional celebrity. He has been upfront over the last 39 years that he intends to never again do a day of non-celebrity work in his life. His best line in an article I read 15 or 20 years ago was that on his deathbed he plans to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    …on his deathbed he plans to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin.
     
    A pharmaceutical product would be more fitting.
    , @David In TN
    @Steve Sailer

    "He's a full-time professional celebrity."

    I recall an ESPN Sportcentury show on Jenner about 15 years ago. Jenner said he got a nose job (which made him look like a character on Friday the 13th) "for the heck of it." He then said he was now a Celebrity.

    Jenner said something like, "Being a celebrity is really just a joke, but that's what I am."

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Steve Sailer

    I thought he owned some company that dealt with aircraft parts.A guy w i th that drive and obsession could it seems do anything;maybe even be a blogger?

  51. @Bill B.
    A few years ago I had cause to interview a group of managers of Thai gay bars (to do with a financial scandal I was investigating.)

    In chatting they spontaneously said that one of their biggest management problems was dealing with ladyboys who cut their bits off, because they almost invariably seemed to acquire mental problems.

    They said that they spent a fair bit of their time trying to persuade their 'boys' not to do the irrevocable. The consensus was that no-one loves an old tranny.

    And these were gay men who see ladyboys and the like in industrial quantities.

    (I am straight.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William BadWhite

    It’s a primitive southeast Asian bad idea that’s taking over America.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Steve Sailer

    "It’s a primitive southeast Asian bad idea that’s taking over America."

    It's racist cultural appropriation. White people are always stealing other racial group's cultures. In this case White people are stealing Southeast Asian Lady Boy culture. This is worst than when White people become rappers and steal Black culture.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    It's not just SE Asia. There are "3rd gender" people in India and ladyboys in Brazil too.

    I don't think it's just about sexuality in the sense that psychologists like JM Bailey study. It seems like some kind of intersection of sexuality, status, and income.

    Thailand has a very wealthy upper class as well as wealthy Chinese minorities, but they don't turn into ladyboys, and I don't think the Brazilian ones are from the upper classes either. And in India, I don't think the 3rd gender people are from the upper castes.

    If you look, for example, at Bill B's experience, the ladyboys are connected with prostitution. You could argue that this is because of their male sexuality--they aren't modest domestic ladyboys for the same reasons that gays have bathhouse culture and low rates of long-term monogamy. But my intuition is that it's more complicated than that.

    Prostitution's an easy gig, but one that's usually open only to women. Places with a lot of poor people that accept that you do what you need to do to get by might have less social shaming connected with homosexual behavior, or it might be easier to disappear from your relatives in places teeming with poor that have no heirlooms or assets. In such places, for certain types of men, maybe making a living selling your body seems like a very attractive lifestyle. As you keep pointing out about Jenner, he's always had an interest in using his body to generate ad revenue rather than performing old-fashioned labor.

  52. @advancedatheist
    Progressives want it both ways.

    On the one hand they scold us about how we should live in harmony with nature. They obsess over the alleged health risks of poor diet, pesticides, environmental pollution and vaccines. And the ones of a more philosophical turn worry about how the capitalist form of society causes "alienation" in natural human relationships.'

    Then on the other hand they just ignore these concerns when they:

    Encourage young women to ingest artificial hormones, produced by pharmaceutical companies, so that these women can engage in sterile, inorganic and alienating hookups with men without forming stable relationships with any of them. I submit that women's bodies and minds didn't evolve to handle that sort of abuse.

    Encourage gay men to have unhygienic, medically dangerous sexual encounters with strangers. Again, no concern for their health or for the alienating aspects of using the human body abstracted from the personality as an instrument for personal hedonism.

    And in the case for Jenner, Rothblatt and similar freaks, they encourage these guys to perform all kinds of violence to their bodies, regardless of how much damage this does to these men's previous, long-standing relationships. No concern for either their health or their alienation there, either.

    Regarding the last, I have to compare this "transgender" brain damage to something like Cotard's delusion. I don't see much difference between thinking that you are dead from thinking that you are "really" a woman in a man's body.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard_delusion

    Replies: @Cryptogenic, @Reg Cæsar

    Progressives want it both ways.

    No they don’t. As Steve once said of neocons, they have to win “every goddam argument”. And every legal battle.

    Always look for the inner consistency within the outer hypocrisy.

  53. @Wilkey
    Bruce Jenner can lop off his wiener, get hormone therapy and breast implants, dress like a woman, act like a women, and change his name to a woman's name. All fine and dandy. All of that is a testament to our freedom, not to mention medical technology, and perhaps this nation is better for it.

    But none of that makes him a woman. He is not a woman. Bruce Jenner can change his name to Caitlyn. No big deal. I will refer to him as Caitlyn. I am sure the "liberals" who endlessly profess their love of diversity, freedom of speech, and freedom of thought will have no problem with that.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Remember when those of us on this board were talking about the absurdity of “gay marriage?” Well here’s where we end up.

  54. @Peter Meyer
    Living in 2015 doesn't feel like 1984 to me; the current elites simply don't have that level of ruthless conviction. Drone strikes and Guantanamo are child's play by Stalinist standards. Can anyone imagine the pampered Obama types overseeing gulags and mass show trials? They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state. What the modern world really feels like, as another commenter said, is The Twilight Zone, a surreal world as opposed to a malevolent one. Picture, if you will...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob McX, @Busby

    It’s closer to the 1985 movie “Brazil” than “1984.” I’ve always assumed the idea behind “Brazil” is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written “1984” instead of George Orwell. I’ve never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @Steve Sailer


    what if Evelyn Waugh had written “1984″ instead of George Orwell.
     
    Well, they were, in the formulation of my fellow Waugh Society member David Lebedoff, the "same man," after all:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/1400066344
    , @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    It’s closer to the 1985 movie “Brazil” than “1984.” I’ve always assumed the idea behind “Brazil” is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written “1984″ instead of George Orwell. I’ve never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.
     
    Well, the Waugh flavor really comes out in certain scenes/characters (cf the great Katherine Helmond's Mrs. Ida Lowry).

    And since the, ahem, intersectionality between Science Fiction and transgenderism has been brought up a time or two on this blog, here's a living example: Hank Stine, now retconned into Jean Marie Stine:

    Jean Marie Stine (born in 1945 in Sikeston, Missouri as Henry Eugene Stein) is an American editor, writer, anthologist, and publisher.

    As an author, she has written fiction and non-fiction on a variety of subjects for more than one hundred publications including Premier, The Los Angeles News, Amazing Stories, Eros, Connundrum, and Brain Candy. Among her best known stories are "In the Kingdom of the Sons" and "No Exit" (with Larry Niven). Known pseudonyms include Sibly Whyte, and Allen Jorgenson.[1] Two recent ebook collections of Stine's work are Herstory & Other Science Fictions and Trans-Sexual: Tales for Gender Queers.

    Stine published a number of science fiction novels and stories in the late 1960s and early 1970s as "Henry Stine,"[love how his birth name is treated as a pseudonym!] beginning with Season of the Witch in 1968, which was later adapted into the film as Memory Run. After the departure of John J. Pierce, Stine was the editor of Galaxy for two issues in 1979. She was editor-in-chief of the science fiction and fantasy Starblaze line for Donning from 1979 to 1983, publishing titles such as Marion Zimmer Bradley's Ruins of Isis.

    Issues concerning gender, such as change, role reversal and misalignment thereof, are recurrent themes in Stine's work. Stine's novel Season of the Witch describes the ordeal of a man, a hardened seducer, who lives off women, whose consciousness is transferred into the body of a woman as a legal punishment. Stine's short story "Jinni's So Long at the Fair" concerns a future in which a plague has wiped out all humans but those with a genetic abnormality, with male genes (karyotype XY) but female physiology (breasts, vagina). Another short story, "Herstory", describes deliberate manipulation of the timeline to change history so that every human religion in history has stressed the supremacy of woman over man.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Marie_Stine


    Here's a photo of "Jean Marie" back when she was Hank:


    http://www.challzine.net/20/20nebula5b.html


    And here's a photo of Hank as "Jean Marie":

    http://jeanmariestine.blogspot.com/


    It's funny.I've never read any of Stine's stuff, but I did read Charles Platt's interview with him in Dream Makers*( a collection of interviews that Platt did with prominent SF authors: Asimov, Bester, Philip Jose Farmer, Aldiss, Moorcock, Ballard, Disch, Philip K Dick, etc;it;it's quite good, and I recommend it to people who are interested in the field).The only part of Stine's interview that made an impression (obviously, he's not a luminary on the level of Dick or Ballard) was the part where he talked about writing Season of the Witch (a novel where a man's brain is transferred into a woman's body).He went off on a tangent about how writing the book made him obsessed with being in a woman's "headspace," what it would feel like to be a woman, etc.Textbook autogynephilia, although I was unaware of the term at the time.

    Anyway, Steve's mentioning of of the SF component to all this WWT stuff reminded me of that Stine interview.A quick google search later, and , voila! Turns out Hank decided to literalize his fiction.








    *http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Makers-Charles-Platt/dp/0425046680

    Replies: @forward observer, @Bad Memories

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Interesting. That's worth a whole blog post at least.

  55. @Steve Sailer
    @Forbes

    He's a full-time professional celebrity. He has been upfront over the last 39 years that he intends to never again do a day of non-celebrity work in his life. His best line in an article I read 15 or 20 years ago was that on his deathbed he plans to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @David In TN, @Father O'Hara

    …on his deathbed he plans to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin.

    A pharmaceutical product would be more fitting.

  56. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    It's a primitive southeast Asian bad idea that's taking over America.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Chrisnonymous

    “It’s a primitive southeast Asian bad idea that’s taking over America.”

    It’s racist cultural appropriation. White people are always stealing other racial group’s cultures. In this case White people are stealing Southeast Asian Lady Boy culture. This is worst than when White people become rappers and steal Black culture.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jefferson

    Transgenderism goes back to ancient Greece in the West. Male-to-female transgenders served as priestesses to deities such as Diana, Artemis, and Hecate.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  57. @WhatEvvs
    Bruce was born in November 1949. That year the most popular girl name was Linda. (Bruce was #26 among boys, by the way.) Followed by Mary, Patricia, Barbara....

    http://www.babycenter.com/popularBabyNames.htm?year=1949

    Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn't even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn.

    http://time.com/3903883/caitlyn-jenner-name-popularity/

    The name is on the downward swing anyway, but I think it's popularity will plummet now.

    Replies: @kihowi, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    George Jorgensen renamed himself after the Danish doctor who “treated” him, Christian something-or-other.

    Even the trannies of years gone by had more respect for themselves, and others!

  58. If they had “her” assassinated by a crazy muzzie that would really tie together two important memes. The heroic tranny would be canonized and we could finally start bombing Syria.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Chuck


    If they had “her” assassinated by a crazy muzzie that would really tie together two important memes. The heroic tranny would be canonized and we could finally start bombing Syria.
     
    Actually, the Iranians are pro-transgender:

    Before the Islamic Revolution in 1979, the issue of transsexuality in Iran had never been officially addressed by the government. Beginning in the mid-1980s, however, transsexual individuals were officially recognized by the government and allowed to undergo sex reassignment surgery. As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate.[1]

    [.....]

    One early campaigner for transsexual rights was Maryam Hatoon Molkara, who had been assigned male at birth but identified as female. Before the revolution, she had longed to become physically female but could not afford surgery and wanted religious authorization. In 1975, she began to write letters to Khomeini, who was to become the leader of the revolution and was in exile. After the revolution, she was fired, forcedly injected with male hormones, and institutionalized. She was later released with help from her connections and continued to lobby many other leaders. Later she went to see Khomeini, who had returned to Iran. During this visit, she was subjected to beatings from his guards. Khomeini, however, did give her a letter to authorize her sex reassignment operation, which she later did in 1997.[2] Due to this fatwa, issued in 1987, transsexual women in Iran have been able to live as women until they can afford surgery, have surgical reassignment, have their birth certificates and all official documents issued to them in their new gender, and get married to men.[3]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran


    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/iran-performed-over-1000-gender-reassignment-operations-four-years041212

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Veracitor

    , @Anonymous
    @Chuck

    Chuck, you're an asshole

  59. @Chuck
    If they had "her" assassinated by a crazy muzzie that would really tie together two important memes. The heroic tranny would be canonized and we could finally start bombing Syria.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anonymous

    If they had “her” assassinated by a crazy muzzie that would really tie together two important memes. The heroic tranny would be canonized and we could finally start bombing Syria.

    Actually, the Iranians are pro-transgender:

    Before the Islamic Revolution in 1979, the issue of transsexuality in Iran had never been officially addressed by the government. Beginning in the mid-1980s, however, transsexual individuals were officially recognized by the government and allowed to undergo sex reassignment surgery. As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate.[1]

    […..]

    One early campaigner for transsexual rights was Maryam Hatoon Molkara, who had been assigned male at birth but identified as female. Before the revolution, she had longed to become physically female but could not afford surgery and wanted religious authorization. In 1975, she began to write letters to Khomeini, who was to become the leader of the revolution and was in exile. After the revolution, she was fired, forcedly injected with male hormones, and institutionalized. She was later released with help from her connections and continued to lobby many other leaders. Later she went to see Khomeini, who had returned to Iran. During this visit, she was subjected to beatings from his guards. Khomeini, however, did give her a letter to authorize her sex reassignment operation, which she later did in 1997.[2] Due to this fatwa, issued in 1987, transsexual women in Iran have been able to live as women until they can afford surgery, have surgical reassignment, have their birth certificates and all official documents issued to them in their new gender, and get married to men.[3]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/iran-performed-over-1000-gender-reassignment-operations-four-years041212

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @syonredux

    That's somewhat surprising and counterintuitive. It suggests:

    1. A novel way of handling homosexuality (which I believe is still strongly proscribed)
    2. Which means that WWT in the US is a potential threat to the gay lifestyle, or even the concept of being gay,
    3. Which also means that in terms of WWT Iran is more progressive than we are, suck on that Jeffrey Goldberg.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Veracitor
    @syonredux

    I wonder if Iranian Shia tenderness towards transsexualism is tied to a "dominant/submissive" view of sexual relationships. A transsexual who "becomes a woman" to enter the submissive role affirms the visible division of sex roles, whereas a man who wants to partner with another man affronts it.

  60. @syonredux
    @Chuck


    If they had “her” assassinated by a crazy muzzie that would really tie together two important memes. The heroic tranny would be canonized and we could finally start bombing Syria.
     
    Actually, the Iranians are pro-transgender:

    Before the Islamic Revolution in 1979, the issue of transsexuality in Iran had never been officially addressed by the government. Beginning in the mid-1980s, however, transsexual individuals were officially recognized by the government and allowed to undergo sex reassignment surgery. As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate.[1]

    [.....]

    One early campaigner for transsexual rights was Maryam Hatoon Molkara, who had been assigned male at birth but identified as female. Before the revolution, she had longed to become physically female but could not afford surgery and wanted religious authorization. In 1975, she began to write letters to Khomeini, who was to become the leader of the revolution and was in exile. After the revolution, she was fired, forcedly injected with male hormones, and institutionalized. She was later released with help from her connections and continued to lobby many other leaders. Later she went to see Khomeini, who had returned to Iran. During this visit, she was subjected to beatings from his guards. Khomeini, however, did give her a letter to authorize her sex reassignment operation, which she later did in 1997.[2] Due to this fatwa, issued in 1987, transsexual women in Iran have been able to live as women until they can afford surgery, have surgical reassignment, have their birth certificates and all official documents issued to them in their new gender, and get married to men.[3]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran


    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/iran-performed-over-1000-gender-reassignment-operations-four-years041212

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Veracitor

    That’s somewhat surprising and counterintuitive. It suggests:

    1. A novel way of handling homosexuality (which I believe is still strongly proscribed)
    2. Which means that WWT in the US is a potential threat to the gay lifestyle, or even the concept of being gay,
    3. Which also means that in terms of WWT Iran is more progressive than we are, suck on that Jeffrey Goldberg.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @SPMoore8


    1. A novel way of handling homosexuality (which I believe is still strongly proscribed)
     
    Very much so. Indeed, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad once made a comment to the effect that Iran does not have Gays in the "Western" sense of the word.Their pro-trans stance is basically a way of affirming that position: "You want to get screwed by other men in the Islamic Republic?The only legal way to do it is to take female hormones and have your penis and testicles removed and become a pseudo-woman."

    Replies: @Perspective

  61. High on my own DRAMA!?!?”

  62. @Peter Meyer
    Living in 2015 doesn't feel like 1984 to me; the current elites simply don't have that level of ruthless conviction. Drone strikes and Guantanamo are child's play by Stalinist standards. Can anyone imagine the pampered Obama types overseeing gulags and mass show trials? They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state. What the modern world really feels like, as another commenter said, is The Twilight Zone, a surreal world as opposed to a malevolent one. Picture, if you will...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob McX, @Busby

    They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state.

    Maybe they don’t need a proper totalitarian state, because the type of regime they have is just as effective. If they went full Stalinist, it might wake people up. People can be more easily induced to conform by the media and entertainment industry than by draconian laws. Under the present system, the consequences of thoughtcrime are not the Gulag, but losing one’s job and being ostracised.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Rob McX

    The perfect dictatorship is one where the people think it to be a democracy.

  63. @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Meyer

    It's closer to the 1985 movie "Brazil" than "1984." I've always assumed the idea behind "Brazil" is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written "1984" instead of George Orwell. I've never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @syonredux, @Chrisnonymous

    what if Evelyn Waugh had written “1984″ instead of George Orwell.

    Well, they were, in the formulation of my fellow Waugh Society member David Lebedoff, the “same man,” after all:

  64. @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Meyer

    It's closer to the 1985 movie "Brazil" than "1984." I've always assumed the idea behind "Brazil" is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written "1984" instead of George Orwell. I've never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @syonredux, @Chrisnonymous

    It’s closer to the 1985 movie “Brazil” than “1984.” I’ve always assumed the idea behind “Brazil” is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written “1984″ instead of George Orwell. I’ve never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.

    Well, the Waugh flavor really comes out in certain scenes/characters (cf the great Katherine Helmond’s Mrs. Ida Lowry).

    And since the, ahem, intersectionality between Science Fiction and transgenderism has been brought up a time or two on this blog, here’s a living example: Hank Stine, now retconned into Jean Marie Stine:

    Jean Marie Stine (born in 1945 in Sikeston, Missouri as Henry Eugene Stein) is an American editor, writer, anthologist, and publisher.

    As an author, she has written fiction and non-fiction on a variety of subjects for more than one hundred publications including Premier, The Los Angeles News, Amazing Stories, Eros, Connundrum, and Brain Candy. Among her best known stories are “In the Kingdom of the Sons” and “No Exit” (with Larry Niven). Known pseudonyms include Sibly Whyte, and Allen Jorgenson.[1] Two recent ebook collections of Stine’s work are Herstory & Other Science Fictions and Trans-Sexual: Tales for Gender Queers.

    Stine published a number of science fiction novels and stories in the late 1960s and early 1970s as “Henry Stine,”[love how his birth name is treated as a pseudonym!] beginning with Season of the Witch in 1968, which was later adapted into the film as Memory Run. After the departure of John J. Pierce, Stine was the editor of Galaxy for two issues in 1979. She was editor-in-chief of the science fiction and fantasy Starblaze line for Donning from 1979 to 1983, publishing titles such as Marion Zimmer Bradley’s Ruins of Isis.

    Issues concerning gender, such as change, role reversal and misalignment thereof, are recurrent themes in Stine’s work. Stine’s novel Season of the Witch describes the ordeal of a man, a hardened seducer, who lives off women, whose consciousness is transferred into the body of a woman as a legal punishment. Stine’s short story “Jinni’s So Long at the Fair” concerns a future in which a plague has wiped out all humans but those with a genetic abnormality, with male genes (karyotype XY) but female physiology (breasts, vagina). Another short story, “Herstory”, describes deliberate manipulation of the timeline to change history so that every human religion in history has stressed the supremacy of woman over man.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Marie_Stine

    Here’s a photo of “Jean Marie” back when she was Hank:

    http://www.challzine.net/20/20nebula5b.html

    And here’s a photo of Hank as “Jean Marie”:

    http://jeanmariestine.blogspot.com/

    It’s funny.I’ve never read any of Stine’s stuff, but I did read Charles Platt’s interview with him in Dream Makers*( a collection of interviews that Platt did with prominent SF authors: Asimov, Bester, Philip Jose Farmer, Aldiss, Moorcock, Ballard, Disch, Philip K Dick, etc;it;it’s quite good, and I recommend it to people who are interested in the field).The only part of Stine’s interview that made an impression (obviously, he’s not a luminary on the level of Dick or Ballard) was the part where he talked about writing Season of the Witch (a novel where a man’s brain is transferred into a woman’s body).He went off on a tangent about how writing the book made him obsessed with being in a woman’s “headspace,” what it would feel like to be a woman, etc.Textbook autogynephilia, although I was unaware of the term at the time.

    Anyway, Steve’s mentioning of of the SF component to all this WWT stuff reminded me of that Stine interview.A quick google search later, and , voila! Turns out Hank decided to literalize his fiction.

    *http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Makers-Charles-Platt/dp/0425046680

    • Replies: @forward observer
    @syonredux

    A case study similar to Stine's can be found in Robert (now Raewyn) Connell:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raewyn_Connell

    This guy was recognized for years as a "leading expert" in "men's studies", by leftist academia. On closer inspection though, most of his body of work essentially demonized and pathologized any authentic expressions of masculinity. Big surprise he eventually switched teams. ..

    , @Bad Memories
    @syonredux


    Stine’s short story “Jinni’s So Long at the Fair” concerns a future in which a plague has wiped out all humans but those with a genetic abnormality, with male genes (karyotype XY) but female physiology (breasts, vagina).
     
    There are such people but they are infertile. Seems Stine needed to read up more on the specifics of sexual development and the actual complex of genes involved in producing a biological male or female.
  65. @Big Dubya
    If a tranny can retroactively define himself not to have 'fathered' children, Haven Monahan should go this route and declare that as a woman he could not have 'raped' Jackie. Although, I gotta admit, given that he doesn't technically exist, that's probably an even better defense.

    Replies: @Jim, @WowJustWow, @Gato de la Biblioteca

    What about the argument that having sex under any false pretense is rape? Didn’t somebody in these comments the other day mention that it’s a crime to pretend to be a Jew to get laid in Israel? According to that line of thought, becoming a woman would exacerbate the rapeyness of all of Haven’s previous sexual encounters. And I’d be in serious trouble for convincing women that I’m cool when I’m actually boring.

  66. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @kihowi
    @WhatEvvs


    Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn’t even register until the 1990s.
     
    You put your finger on what was bothering me subconsciously. Caitlyn is a stereotypical young girl's name and makes people think of a vacant blonde teenager who says "like, totally, you guys".

    I assumed he was going to be "Brenda", because usually transsexuals want a new name that alliterates with the old one.

    Just another aspect of the profound creepiness of this whole thing.

    Replies: @WhatEvvs

    I always thought the name Caitlyn (and its various derivations/spellings) was more popular than the link I provided says. Well, I learned something….

    Seriously, I do think that the choice of name is revealing. Take a classical, beautiful name like Elizabeth or Helen (don’t laugh, Helen now sounds very grannyish but it is a pure, classical name), and it would have indicated something else about Bruce, however misguided the whole thing is. That he chose a trendy-girly name like Caitlyn really gives away the tawdriness of the entire business.

    But I suppose I am being redundant.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @WhatEvvs



    I always thought the name Caitlyn (and its various derivations/spellings) was more popular than the link I provided says. Well, I learned something….

     

    You learned that people at Time are innumerate.

    At the Social Security Administration's baby name site I counted the Caitlin* clones which fell in the top 200 for both the 1990s and the 2000s. Combined, there were over 100,000 in the '90s and over 120,000 the next decade. The latter qualifies it for the top 12-- and this doesn't include tens of thousands whose spellings fell below #200.

    This is an illusion seen whenever a name divides by orthography. "I know so many Steves! Why is Steven ranked so low?" Because Stephen accounts for a lot of those Steves. Same with Sara/Sarah.

    *the correct spelling
  67. @Jefferson
    If Anderson Silva decided that he wants to start self identifying himself as a woman, could he legally fight Ronda Rousey inside the UFC octagon? After all gender is just a social construct and so is height and weight.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Jimbo JOnes

    You don’t follow the news enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

    • Replies: @Jimbo Jones
    @WowJustWow

    Ha, I just posted that 5 seconds ago.

  68. I am convinced that the pathology of this case is grounded in
    1. Autogynephilia
    and
    2. A vendetta against ex wife Kris, borne of equal measures of jealousy and resentment.

    I gotta get hand to ol’ Bruce. He’s gone from comic relief to star of the show in record time. Kris must be privately mortified.

    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @forward observer

    I think you're absolutely right, but I'd like to add one more thing to the mix, uber-competitiveness. This underwrites both the aforementioned jealously and resentment.

    We all know Bruce is a very competitive man. One does not become an Olympic athlete, much less a gold medal winner otherwise. His only job for the past 30-plus years, self-admittedly, has been that of a "professional celebrity". Moreover, all the women in his family have been absolutely kicking his ass at it for the past ten.

    Perhaps I'm veering in to absurdist reductionism, but Bruce just beat all the Kardashians at their own game. Soundly, I might add. The "C" in "Caitlyn" is just a bonus eff-you.

    Replies: @njguy73

  69. @SPMoore8
    @syonredux

    That's somewhat surprising and counterintuitive. It suggests:

    1. A novel way of handling homosexuality (which I believe is still strongly proscribed)
    2. Which means that WWT in the US is a potential threat to the gay lifestyle, or even the concept of being gay,
    3. Which also means that in terms of WWT Iran is more progressive than we are, suck on that Jeffrey Goldberg.

    Replies: @syonredux

    1. A novel way of handling homosexuality (which I believe is still strongly proscribed)

    Very much so. Indeed, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad once made a comment to the effect that Iran does not have Gays in the “Western” sense of the word.Their pro-trans stance is basically a way of affirming that position: “You want to get screwed by other men in the Islamic Republic?The only legal way to do it is to take female hormones and have your penis and testicles removed and become a pseudo-woman.”

    • Replies: @Perspective
    @syonredux

    Not saying that I recommend this on humans, but scientists have been largely successful in changing gay rams to straight rams. Would it not be easier for a country like Iran to find (hopefully humane) a way to do the same with people? Or is admitting you even have these feelings a crime in itself there?

    Replies: @Bad Memories

  70. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    It’s closer to the 1985 movie “Brazil” than “1984.” I’ve always assumed the idea behind “Brazil” is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written “1984″ instead of George Orwell. I’ve never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.
     
    Well, the Waugh flavor really comes out in certain scenes/characters (cf the great Katherine Helmond's Mrs. Ida Lowry).

    And since the, ahem, intersectionality between Science Fiction and transgenderism has been brought up a time or two on this blog, here's a living example: Hank Stine, now retconned into Jean Marie Stine:

    Jean Marie Stine (born in 1945 in Sikeston, Missouri as Henry Eugene Stein) is an American editor, writer, anthologist, and publisher.

    As an author, she has written fiction and non-fiction on a variety of subjects for more than one hundred publications including Premier, The Los Angeles News, Amazing Stories, Eros, Connundrum, and Brain Candy. Among her best known stories are "In the Kingdom of the Sons" and "No Exit" (with Larry Niven). Known pseudonyms include Sibly Whyte, and Allen Jorgenson.[1] Two recent ebook collections of Stine's work are Herstory & Other Science Fictions and Trans-Sexual: Tales for Gender Queers.

    Stine published a number of science fiction novels and stories in the late 1960s and early 1970s as "Henry Stine,"[love how his birth name is treated as a pseudonym!] beginning with Season of the Witch in 1968, which was later adapted into the film as Memory Run. After the departure of John J. Pierce, Stine was the editor of Galaxy for two issues in 1979. She was editor-in-chief of the science fiction and fantasy Starblaze line for Donning from 1979 to 1983, publishing titles such as Marion Zimmer Bradley's Ruins of Isis.

    Issues concerning gender, such as change, role reversal and misalignment thereof, are recurrent themes in Stine's work. Stine's novel Season of the Witch describes the ordeal of a man, a hardened seducer, who lives off women, whose consciousness is transferred into the body of a woman as a legal punishment. Stine's short story "Jinni's So Long at the Fair" concerns a future in which a plague has wiped out all humans but those with a genetic abnormality, with male genes (karyotype XY) but female physiology (breasts, vagina). Another short story, "Herstory", describes deliberate manipulation of the timeline to change history so that every human religion in history has stressed the supremacy of woman over man.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Marie_Stine


    Here's a photo of "Jean Marie" back when she was Hank:


    http://www.challzine.net/20/20nebula5b.html


    And here's a photo of Hank as "Jean Marie":

    http://jeanmariestine.blogspot.com/


    It's funny.I've never read any of Stine's stuff, but I did read Charles Platt's interview with him in Dream Makers*( a collection of interviews that Platt did with prominent SF authors: Asimov, Bester, Philip Jose Farmer, Aldiss, Moorcock, Ballard, Disch, Philip K Dick, etc;it;it's quite good, and I recommend it to people who are interested in the field).The only part of Stine's interview that made an impression (obviously, he's not a luminary on the level of Dick or Ballard) was the part where he talked about writing Season of the Witch (a novel where a man's brain is transferred into a woman's body).He went off on a tangent about how writing the book made him obsessed with being in a woman's "headspace," what it would feel like to be a woman, etc.Textbook autogynephilia, although I was unaware of the term at the time.

    Anyway, Steve's mentioning of of the SF component to all this WWT stuff reminded me of that Stine interview.A quick google search later, and , voila! Turns out Hank decided to literalize his fiction.








    *http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Makers-Charles-Platt/dp/0425046680

    Replies: @forward observer, @Bad Memories

    A case study similar to Stine’s can be found in Robert (now Raewyn) Connell:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raewyn_Connell

    This guy was recognized for years as a “leading expert” in “men’s studies”, by leftist academia. On closer inspection though, most of his body of work essentially demonized and pathologized any authentic expressions of masculinity. Big surprise he eventually switched teams. ..

  71. @Gaius Baltar
    Even Brendan O'Neill is submitting to this nonsense by referring to Jenner as a "her/she". No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN...period.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @donut, @Anonymous, @david

    No , it’s a gelding .

  72. “while identifying as a man” – so he’s genderfluid. You guys are in for a treat.

    “Body integrity identity disorder” – and there are even people that believe themselves to be dead, when will their struggle be recognized.

  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Maybe in the future....to get into some elite colleges, try to look less white male.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Maybe in the future….to get into some elite colleges, try to look less white male.”

    No kidding. I’ve mentioned this before, but if you go to the websites of many of our country’s best universities, you’ll see lots of photos of women and vibrant students, but you’ll have a hard time seeing photos of all-American-looking male students. It’s quite shocking and a little depressing.

    For instance, go to Princeton’s site (www.princeton.edu) and click on any of the main headings – you’ll see a bunch of pages with photos of women and vibrant students, or the best – photos of vibrant women. Sigh.

    These universities and colleges, that I held in great esteem when I was younger, hold very little appeal for me today.

  74. @Anonymous
    @Cattle Guard

    "So, if a high-testosterone female athlete retires and transitions to male, will she then be stripped of female championships and other honors “he won while identifying as a woman”?"

    That's a really good question.

    Replies: @Another anon

    Not the Olympics, but the 1986 European Champion in women’s shot put has since transitioned to male. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Krieger As far as I can tell, no medals have been stripped. In fact she/he has an anti-doping award named in her/his honor.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Another anon

    But that's publicly admitted to be a sad case of somebody messed up by East German Olympic coaches' hormone doping.

  75. @Bill B.
    A few years ago I had cause to interview a group of managers of Thai gay bars (to do with a financial scandal I was investigating.)

    In chatting they spontaneously said that one of their biggest management problems was dealing with ladyboys who cut their bits off, because they almost invariably seemed to acquire mental problems.

    They said that they spent a fair bit of their time trying to persuade their 'boys' not to do the irrevocable. The consensus was that no-one loves an old tranny.

    And these were gay men who see ladyboys and the like in industrial quantities.

    (I am straight.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William BadWhite

    “And these were gay men who see ladyboys and the like in industrial quantities.”

    “(I am straight)”

    You mean “normal”, not “straight”

  76. @Gaius Baltar
    Even Brendan O'Neill is submitting to this nonsense by referring to Jenner as a "her/she". No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN...period.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @donut, @Anonymous, @david

    Does he deserve to be called a man, at this point? Can’t we compromise with “it”?

  77. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “is borderline Orwellian ”

    It is full-blown (Monty)Pythonian. The very stuff that used to be a joke on TV is now the solemn sacred truth.

    In some ways, it’s good to see this as the elites are destroying themselves with ridiculousness.

    Past progressive struggles, good or bad, at least had some compelling moral arguments. Even if people disagreed on the means, they understood why the issues were being addressed. Communism was a bad system but the points it raised about working conditions and justice at least carried weight.

    But this?

    Concerning past issues, it evidently became obvious that those who resisted change were obviously wrong. The abolition of slavery, for instance. Once it was gone, those who defended slavery just seemed so very wrong.

    But these recent progressive tripe? Sure, the hysteria makes people get all excited about such and such very very bad people, but it’s takes some effort to fool oneself that causes like this have any depth or meaning.

  78. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Erica Blair has always been
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell .

    Replies: @Bad Memories

    And had a Hitler mustache at one stage.

    Wake up sheeple!

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Meyer

    It's closer to the 1985 movie "Brazil" than "1984." I've always assumed the idea behind "Brazil" is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written "1984" instead of George Orwell. I've never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @syonredux, @Chrisnonymous

    Interesting. That’s worth a whole blog post at least.

  80. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    It’s closer to the 1985 movie “Brazil” than “1984.” I’ve always assumed the idea behind “Brazil” is: what if Evelyn Waugh had written “1984″ instead of George Orwell. I’ve never seen any quotes proving my surmise, but it would be the most natural thing in the world for co-writer Tom Stoppard to do in 1984.
     
    Well, the Waugh flavor really comes out in certain scenes/characters (cf the great Katherine Helmond's Mrs. Ida Lowry).

    And since the, ahem, intersectionality between Science Fiction and transgenderism has been brought up a time or two on this blog, here's a living example: Hank Stine, now retconned into Jean Marie Stine:

    Jean Marie Stine (born in 1945 in Sikeston, Missouri as Henry Eugene Stein) is an American editor, writer, anthologist, and publisher.

    As an author, she has written fiction and non-fiction on a variety of subjects for more than one hundred publications including Premier, The Los Angeles News, Amazing Stories, Eros, Connundrum, and Brain Candy. Among her best known stories are "In the Kingdom of the Sons" and "No Exit" (with Larry Niven). Known pseudonyms include Sibly Whyte, and Allen Jorgenson.[1] Two recent ebook collections of Stine's work are Herstory & Other Science Fictions and Trans-Sexual: Tales for Gender Queers.

    Stine published a number of science fiction novels and stories in the late 1960s and early 1970s as "Henry Stine,"[love how his birth name is treated as a pseudonym!] beginning with Season of the Witch in 1968, which was later adapted into the film as Memory Run. After the departure of John J. Pierce, Stine was the editor of Galaxy for two issues in 1979. She was editor-in-chief of the science fiction and fantasy Starblaze line for Donning from 1979 to 1983, publishing titles such as Marion Zimmer Bradley's Ruins of Isis.

    Issues concerning gender, such as change, role reversal and misalignment thereof, are recurrent themes in Stine's work. Stine's novel Season of the Witch describes the ordeal of a man, a hardened seducer, who lives off women, whose consciousness is transferred into the body of a woman as a legal punishment. Stine's short story "Jinni's So Long at the Fair" concerns a future in which a plague has wiped out all humans but those with a genetic abnormality, with male genes (karyotype XY) but female physiology (breasts, vagina). Another short story, "Herstory", describes deliberate manipulation of the timeline to change history so that every human religion in history has stressed the supremacy of woman over man.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Marie_Stine


    Here's a photo of "Jean Marie" back when she was Hank:


    http://www.challzine.net/20/20nebula5b.html


    And here's a photo of Hank as "Jean Marie":

    http://jeanmariestine.blogspot.com/


    It's funny.I've never read any of Stine's stuff, but I did read Charles Platt's interview with him in Dream Makers*( a collection of interviews that Platt did with prominent SF authors: Asimov, Bester, Philip Jose Farmer, Aldiss, Moorcock, Ballard, Disch, Philip K Dick, etc;it;it's quite good, and I recommend it to people who are interested in the field).The only part of Stine's interview that made an impression (obviously, he's not a luminary on the level of Dick or Ballard) was the part where he talked about writing Season of the Witch (a novel where a man's brain is transferred into a woman's body).He went off on a tangent about how writing the book made him obsessed with being in a woman's "headspace," what it would feel like to be a woman, etc.Textbook autogynephilia, although I was unaware of the term at the time.

    Anyway, Steve's mentioning of of the SF component to all this WWT stuff reminded me of that Stine interview.A quick google search later, and , voila! Turns out Hank decided to literalize his fiction.








    *http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Makers-Charles-Platt/dp/0425046680

    Replies: @forward observer, @Bad Memories

    Stine’s short story “Jinni’s So Long at the Fair” concerns a future in which a plague has wiped out all humans but those with a genetic abnormality, with male genes (karyotype XY) but female physiology (breasts, vagina).

    There are such people but they are infertile. Seems Stine needed to read up more on the specifics of sexual development and the actual complex of genes involved in producing a biological male or female.

  81. @Anonymous
    @WhatEvvs

    "Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn’t even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn."

    I think the name Caitlyn fits in pretty well with the names Kendall, Kylie, Chloe, Courtney, Kim and Kris. I really think he wants to become like his daughters and the Kardashian women and get the sort of attention from the media and the public that they get. As a man in his family, he seemed kind of like the low person on the totem pole.

    Replies: @Kate Minter, @travis

    All of their names start with a K. To give himself a “c” name still makes him different from them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kate Minter

    "All of their names start with a K. To give himself a “c” name still makes him different from them."

    Well, he is different from them, but now he's kind of like them. :)

    Replies: @Kate Minter

  82. @Polynices
    The mainstream medical establishment used to think it was healthy and normal to jam an ice-pick into a mentally ill person's brain and swish it around to destroy connections between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain. Look up what a "frontal lobotomy" was if you think I am exaggerating. We have long realized how grotesque and wrong this was and were fortunate to discover anti-psychotic drugs (and other, milder, psychoactive drugs like anti-depressants) that actually help the people who were formerly victimized by the doctors pushing this medieval treatment. For decades now, lobotomies have been an embarrassment to the field of psychiatry and medicine in general.

    Now the mainstream medical establishment is telling us that it is perfectly normal to mutilate the genitals of a mentally ill person instead of giving them the anti-psychotics and psychotherapy (and probably other drugs) that might actually help them get over their psychotically delusional notion that they're not actually the sex that they biologically are down to every single cell in their bodies.

    I hope that it takes much less than a few decades (though I am not optimistic here) for us to realize how grotesque and wrong this sex-change delusion among both patients and providers is.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Buffalo Joe, @jimbojones

    “We have long realized how grotesque and wrong this was and were fortunate to discover anti-psychotic drugs (and other, milder, psychoactive drugs like anti-depressants) that actually help the people who were formerly victimized by the doctors pushing this medieval treatment.”

    LOL. You think they got it wrong with lobotomy, and got it wrong with electroshock treatment, and got it wrong with insulin-induced seizures, but have it right now with the psycho-pills? Think again.
    Here’s a good reference on the psycho-pills: Richard Whitaker’s books. Particularly “Anatomy of an Epidemic.”

  83. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    It's a primitive southeast Asian bad idea that's taking over America.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Chrisnonymous

    It’s not just SE Asia. There are “3rd gender” people in India and ladyboys in Brazil too.

    I don’t think it’s just about sexuality in the sense that psychologists like JM Bailey study. It seems like some kind of intersection of sexuality, status, and income.

    Thailand has a very wealthy upper class as well as wealthy Chinese minorities, but they don’t turn into ladyboys, and I don’t think the Brazilian ones are from the upper classes either. And in India, I don’t think the 3rd gender people are from the upper castes.

    If you look, for example, at Bill B’s experience, the ladyboys are connected with prostitution. You could argue that this is because of their male sexuality–they aren’t modest domestic ladyboys for the same reasons that gays have bathhouse culture and low rates of long-term monogamy. But my intuition is that it’s more complicated than that.

    Prostitution’s an easy gig, but one that’s usually open only to women. Places with a lot of poor people that accept that you do what you need to do to get by might have less social shaming connected with homosexual behavior, or it might be easier to disappear from your relatives in places teeming with poor that have no heirlooms or assets. In such places, for certain types of men, maybe making a living selling your body seems like a very attractive lifestyle. As you keep pointing out about Jenner, he’s always had an interest in using his body to generate ad revenue rather than performing old-fashioned labor.

  84. The Talk page on that Wikipedia article is good for some lulz.

    I also love that they still have a picture of Bruce on Caitlyn’s page. It must be killing the transactivists that they can’t use the Vanity Fair pics.

  85. @Jefferson
    If Anderson Silva decided that he wants to start self identifying himself as a woman, could he legally fight Ronda Rousey inside the UFC octagon? After all gender is just a social construct and so is height and weight.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Jimbo JOnes

    ,

    Why, yes, he/she could!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

  86. @WowJustWow
    @Jefferson

    You don't follow the news enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

    Replies: @Jimbo Jones

    Ha, I just posted that 5 seconds ago.

  87. Jenner is going to bring a lot more fun to wikipedia given that he has beaten a lot of women’s track and field world records.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/400_metres

    “The current women’s world record is held by Marita Koch, with a time of 47.60 seconds. However, Caitlyn Jenner is the fastest woman’s performer of all time, running a time of 47.51 in 1976 while competing under the name Bruce Jenner.”

    From the talk page:

    “Caitlyn Jenner ran a 47.51 at the 1976 Olympics, a best of all time for women in the event. At the time, she went by the name Bruce. I feel it would be extremely transphobic to erase her identity and belittle her accomplishments by failing to mention this time.”

    I can’t even tell whether this is real social justice or a troll job.

    • Replies: @Dew
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Its a real social injustice. Very disrespectful to the female runners who competed.

    "Caitlyn Jenner ran a 47.51 at the 1976 Olympics, a best of all time for women in the event."

    I know Wikipedia is a bad source but this line is particularly stupid. "Caitlyn" did not even exist at that time and Bruce did not have any part in the female running competitions. Bruce was not a woman at that time. Hell even the citation links to Bruce Jenner.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @jon
    @Jaakko Raipala


    “The current women’s world record is held by Marita Koch, with a time of 47.60 seconds. However, Caitlyn Jenner is the fastest woman’s performer of all time, running a time of 47.51 in 1976 while competing under the name Bruce Jenner.”
     
    Already deleted and locked down.
  88. @Jim
    @Mr. Anon

    Presumably a man who claims that he "feels" he is a woman could enter the field of women's tennis and totally dominate it making it so boring that nobody would bother watching it. Now could an adult man who "feels" he is a child compete with ten year olds in Little League? Who's do tell hin that he's not a child if that's what he "feels" he is?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Renee Richards did just that,but she didn’t really dominate. She wasn’t a top mens player b4 the transition. Also it seems the urge to transition doesn’t coincide with peak athletic years.

  89. SF says:

    What if the photo is a hoax? After all, the use of body doubles is common in the entertainment industry. And the bathing suit looks like something my Mom would have worn in the 1950’s. Could the joke have been to transpose Bruce/Caitlyn’s head onto an old cover photo of Doris Day, Dinah Shore or someone similar? If I were in Southern California, I would like to sleuth out the identity of whoever took the photo, and maybe buy him a few drinks.

  90. @Hersh
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Is he a man with a period?" Can they give him that experience, too?

    The very weirdest thing is a glamour shot of a 65 year old.

    Replies: @jon

    The very weirdest thing is a glamour shot of a 65 year old.

    In PC-speak, I think Caitlyn would be described as “not conventionally attractive.”

  91. What if some guy says he’s a woman who thinks she’s a man?

  92. Walter Carlos to Wendy Carlos. How was that regarded at the time? How is it regarded now?

    Should right-thinking people now be destroying the old LPs because they have the wrong name on them?

  93. @Anonymous
    @WhatEvvs

    "Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn’t even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn."

    I think the name Caitlyn fits in pretty well with the names Kendall, Kylie, Chloe, Courtney, Kim and Kris. I really think he wants to become like his daughters and the Kardashian women and get the sort of attention from the media and the public that they get. As a man in his family, he seemed kind of like the low person on the totem pole.

    Replies: @Kate Minter, @travis

    you are probably correct..he may be laughing to the bank..he is still banging women and still has his male genitalia..probably is a transvestite who gets off dressing like a girl.

  94. @Gaius Baltar
    Even Brendan O'Neill is submitting to this nonsense by referring to Jenner as a "her/she". No matter what he calls himself, he is a MAN...period.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @donut, @Anonymous, @david

    What’s the hostility about? If Caitlyn feels she is a woman, then let her have it. Masculinity isn’t just biology nor is feminity. I agree that biology means something and is substantive but it isn’t everything. I also think people need to LISTEN to other stories that do not reflect their own reality instead of insisting on other people’s stories IN ALL CAPS.

  95. @Chuck
    If they had "her" assassinated by a crazy muzzie that would really tie together two important memes. The heroic tranny would be canonized and we could finally start bombing Syria.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anonymous

    Chuck, you’re an asshole

  96. OT

    Call me weird or kinky, but somehow this rings a bell with me–gawker.com:

    Police in North Charleston, S.C., have arrested the man they believe wrapped electrical tape around the muzzle of Caitlyn …

    …the dog, a chocolate Staffordshire …

    The poor dog gets surgery, the article ends:

    “We have the greatest of hopes for this beautiful girl,” …

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @theo the kraut


    Call me weird or kinky, but somehow this rings a bell with me–gawker.com:

    "Police in North Charleston, S.C., have arrested the man they believe wrapped electrical tape around the muzzle of Caitlyn …

    …the dog, a chocolate Staffordshire …"

    The poor dog gets surgery, the article ends:

    “We have the greatest of hopes for this beautiful girl,” …
     
    I use Facebook to advocate for homeless/neglected/abused dogs so naturally, I followed the attractive Caitlyn's story from the beginning. My friends and I have had so much fun joking about the two Caitlyns being in the news at the same time. No one doubts which is the more feminine and attractive of the two.
  97. Dew says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    Jenner is going to bring a lot more fun to wikipedia given that he has beaten a lot of women's track and field world records.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/400_metres

    "The current women's world record is held by Marita Koch, with a time of 47.60 seconds. However, Caitlyn Jenner is the fastest woman's performer of all time, running a time of 47.51 in 1976 while competing under the name Bruce Jenner."

    From the talk page:

    "Caitlyn Jenner ran a 47.51 at the 1976 Olympics, a best of all time for women in the event. At the time, she went by the name Bruce. I feel it would be extremely transphobic to erase her identity and belittle her accomplishments by failing to mention this time."

    I can't even tell whether this is real social justice or a troll job.

    Replies: @Dew, @jon

    Its a real social injustice. Very disrespectful to the female runners who competed.

    “Caitlyn Jenner ran a 47.51 at the 1976 Olympics, a best of all time for women in the event.”

    I know Wikipedia is a bad source but this line is particularly stupid. “Caitlyn” did not even exist at that time and Bruce did not have any part in the female running competitions. Bruce was not a woman at that time. Hell even the citation links to Bruce Jenner.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Dew

    “Caitlyn” did not even exist at that time...

    "Caitlyn" still doesn't exist, except in the blizzard of news stories about Jenner and in the minds of those who take them at their word. These deluded creatures are already talking about it as if it were "Caitlyn" who won a gold medal in the 1976 Olympics. "She" was merely temporarily burdened with the body and identity of Bruce Jenner. This is surely the ultimate in female empowerment. If only people like Bill Gates and Elon Musk would have sex changes, think of what the feminist movement would gain by this retroactive boost to female achievement.

  98. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    ESPN awarded Caitlyn(LOL) with the Courage prize or something.

    I don’t know how far Caitlyn(LOL) went with his reconstruction. I take it that he, she, or it will eventually go all the way and change everything.

    I must say it takes real courage, indeed real balls, for a guy to give up his balls.
    But does it makes sense to have the balls to end up with no balls?

  99. @Steve Sailer
    @Forbes

    He's a full-time professional celebrity. He has been upfront over the last 39 years that he intends to never again do a day of non-celebrity work in his life. His best line in an article I read 15 or 20 years ago was that on his deathbed he plans to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @David In TN, @Father O'Hara

    “He’s a full-time professional celebrity.”

    I recall an ESPN Sportcentury show on Jenner about 15 years ago. Jenner said he got a nose job (which made him look like a character on Friday the 13th) “for the heck of it.” He then said he was now a Celebrity.

    Jenner said something like, “Being a celebrity is really just a joke, but that’s what I am.”

  100. Transsexuals trying to be feminine is tragic to watch. My father spent years trying to perfect the walk and the gestures. Not even close. There was no woman trapped inside that man’s body, just a screwball.

    If you’ve ever been stuck with someone who won’t stop trying to imitate your accent, you’ll know how it feels to live with one. They always think they can do it right, but they never can. I went through two weeks of hell in the USA because everyone around me decided to speak British.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @22pp22

    I thought he owned some company that dealt with aircraft parts.A guy w i th that drive and obsession could it seems do anything;maybe even be a blogger?

    Replies: @22pp22

  101. @syonredux
    @Polynices

    Some people in the medical community take a dim view of the whole "gender-reassignment" business.Here's an article by Paul McHugh:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120


    From journalist John Colapinto:

    "McHugh has always reserved special scorn for the practice of sex-change surgery on adult transsexuals. Classifying transsexualism as merely one symptom in a larger complex of personality disorders, McHugh had long believed that psychiatrists should treat such patients with the talking cure, not radical, irreversible surgeries. In a 1992 article in the American Scholar, McHugh lambasted transsexual surgery as 'the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists' and likened its popularity to the once widespread practice of frontal lobotomy."[1]

    From USA Today:

    "McHugh is a leading proponent of the notion that the cause is not biological, that transgender people have chosen this path. He halted the university hospital's practice of performing gender reassignment surgeries in the late 1970s because, he says, a study indicated that postoperative transsexuals were no happier than they were before the operation. "You can live any way you want, but don't come to us and ask us to give medical resources to this proposal of yours, because we think it's a social construct and not a condition of nature," McHugh says. "No one has demonstrated any physical mechanism or physical problem that causes this. The burden of proof is on them to prove that.""[2]

    From historian Joanne Meyerowitz:

    "In the late 1970s, however, the climate began to change. The first signs were seen at Johns Hopkins, where the chairman of the Psychiatry department, Dr. Joel Elkes, was replaced by Dr. Paul McHugh. McHugh saw SRS as unnecessary mutilation, and set out to kill the program. He assigned Dr. John Meyer to do a long-term follow-up study of 50 transsexuals who underwent SRS at Johns Hopkins. Meyer's report, issued in 1977, claimed that SRS confers no objective advantage in terms of social rehabilitation for transsexuals. Although the paper was widely criticized as flawed, it led to the October 1979 closing of the Johns Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic."[3]


    From sexologist J. Michael Bailey:

    "McHugh objected that clinicians naively accepted transsexual patients' histories of having been quite feminine, when there was ample evidence in many cases that the histories were false (for example, a married man who presents as conventionally masculine). This objection is often correct, though it has no obvious relevance to the advisability of sex reassignment. Furthermore, and more importantly, McHugh argued that it is simply wrong for physicians to "mutilate" perfectly good organs because the transsexual patient's troubled mind wants this: "[The focus on surgery] has distracted effort from genuine investigations attempting to find out just what has gone wrong for these people--what has, by their testimony, given them years of torment and psychological distress and prompted them to accept these grim and disfiguring surgical procedures. McHugh's concerns are worth taking seriously. Consider the case of the man erotically obsessed with having his leg amputated. Would it be advisable or even ethical to remove the leg? And McHugh is correct that interest in sex reassignment medicine has far exceeded interest in changing the minds of transsexual people so they do not want to change their sex. Transsexualism is, after all, a condition of the mind and brain."[4]



    Excerpt from Psychiatric Misadventures by Paul R. McHugh

    This interrelationship of cultural antinomianism and a psychiatric misplaced emphasis is seen at its grimmest in the practice known as sex-reassignment surgery. I happen to know about this because Johns Hopkins was one of the places in the United States where this practice was given its start. It was part of my intention, when I arrived in Baltimore in 1975, to help end it.

    Not uncommonly, a person comes to the clinic and says something like, "As long as I can remember, I've thought I was in the wrong body. True, I've married and had a couple of kids, and I've had a number of homosexual encounters, but always, in the back and now more often in the front of my mind, there's this idea that actually I'm more a woman than a man."

    When we ask what he has done about this, the man often says, "I've tried dressing like a woman and feel quite comfortable. I've eve made myself up and gone out in public. I can get away with it because it's all so natural to me. I'm here because all this male equipment is disgusting to me. I want medical help to change my body: hormone treatments, silicone implants, surgical amputation of my genitalia, and the construction of a vagina. Will you do it?" The patient claims it is a torture for him to live as a man, especially now that he has read in the newspapers about the possibility of switching surgically to womanhood. Upon examination it is not difficult to identify other mental and personality difficulties in him, but he is primarily disquieted because of his intrusive thoughts that his sex is not a settled issue in his life.

    Experts say that "gender identity," a sense of one's own maleness or femaleness, is complicated. They believe that it will emerge through the step-like features of most complex developmental processes in which nature and nurture combine. They venture that, although their research on those born with genital and hormonal abnormalities may not apply to a person with normal bodily structures, something must have gone wrong in this patient's early and formative life to cause him to feel as he does. Why not help him look more like what he says he feels? Our surgeons can do it. What the hell!

    The skills of our plastic surgeons, particularly on the genito-urinary system, are impressive. They were obtained, however, not to treat the gender identity problem, but to repair congenital defects, injuries, and the effects of destructive diseases such as cancer in this region of the body.

    That you can get something done doesn't always mean that you should do it. In sex reassignment cases, there are so many problems right at the start. The patient's claim that this has been a lifelong problem is seldom checked with others who have known him since childhood. It seems so intrusive and untrusting to discuss the problem with others, even though they might provide a better gage of the seriousness of the problem, how it emerged, its fluctuations of intensity over time, and its connection with other experiences. When you discuss what the patient means by "feeling like a woman," you often get a sex stereotype in return--something that woman physicians note immediately is a male caricature of women's attitudes and interests. One of our patients, for example, said that, as a woman, he would be more "invested with being than with doing."

    It is not obvious how this patient's feeling that he is a woman trapped in a man's body differs from the feeling of a patient with anorexia nervosa that she is obese despite her emaciated, cachectic state. We don't do liposuction on anorexics. Why amputate the genitals of these poor men? Surely, the fault is in the mind not the member.

    Yet, if you justify augmenting breasts for women who feel underendowed, why not do it and more for the man who wants to be a woman? A plastic surgeon at Johns Hopkins provided the voice of reality for me on this matter based on his practice and his natural awe at the mystery of the body. One day while we were talking about it, he said to me: "Imagine what it's like to get up at dawn and think about spending the day slashing with a knife at perfectly well-formed organs, because you psychiatrists do not understand what is the problem here but hope surgery may do the poor wretch some good."


    The zeal for this sex-change surgery--perhaps, with the exception of frontal lobotomy, the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists--did not derive from critical reasoning or thoughtful assessments. These were so faulty that no one holds them up anymore as standards for launching any therapeutic exercise, let alone one so irretrievable as a sex-change operation. The energy came from the fashions of the seventies that invaded the clinic--if you can do it and he wants it, why not do it? It was all tied up with the spirit of doing your thing, following your bliss, an aesthetic that sees diversity as everything and can accept any idea, including that of permanent sex change, as interesting and that views resistance to such ideas as uptight if not oppressive. Moral matters should have some salience here. These include the waste of human resources; the confusions imposed on society where these men/women insist on acceptance, even in athletic competition, with women; the encouragement of the "illusion of technique," which assumes that the body is like a suit of clothes to be hemmed and stitched to style; and, finally, the ghastliness of the mutilated anatomy. But lay these strong moral objections aside and consider only that this surgical practice has distracted effort from genuine investigations attempting to find out just what has gone wrong for these people--what has, by their testimony, given them years of torment and psychological distress and prompted them to accept these grim and disfiguring surgical procedures.

    We need to know how to prevent such sadness, indeed horror. We have to learn how to manage this condition as a mental disorder when we fail to prevent it. If it depends on child rearing, then let's hear about its inner dynamics so that parents can be taught to guide their children properly. If it is an aspect of confusion tied to homosexuality, we need to understand its nature and exactly how to manage it as a manifestation of serious mental disorder among homosexual individuals. But instead of attempting to learn enough to accomplish these worthy goals, psychiatrists collaborated in a exercise of folly with distressed people during a time when "do your own thing" had something akin to the force of a command. As physicians, psychiatrists, when they give in to this, abandon the role of protecting patients from their symptoms and become little more than technicians working on behalf of a cultural force. [5]

    Replies: @Wilkey, @WowJustWow

    “McHugh objected that clinicians naively accepted transsexual patients’ histories of having been quite feminine, when there was ample evidence in many cases that the histories were false (for example, a married man who presents as conventionally masculine). This objection is often correct, though it has no obvious relevance to the advisability of sex reassignment.”

    It’s highly relevant if it demonstrates the patient’s confusion not only over what gender he is, but over what kinds of things are masculine or feminine in the first place. And that happens more often than you’d think.

    Male-to-female transgenders are highly overrepresented in the computer technology community. They have stereotypically geeky male interests (e.g. playing violent video games, dressing like slobs).

    And some of them have great big bushy beards that would be the envy of any Al-Qaeda terrorist.

    Now, the most charitable interpretation of their facial hirsuteness that I could think of is that only men need to shave their faces, so that if they were to shave every day, they would be “enacting” a male identity somehow. But then one of them said he doesn’t think there is anything masculine at all about growing a beard, so that theory was out. Of course, if a cis-woman (a woman born as a woman and identifying as a woman, a.k.a. a normal woman) chose to get a hair transplant so that she could grow thick facial hair, nobody on earth would say she’s just choosing one particular look from a range of potentially feminine options. It’s one thing to indulge people in their fantasies of what they are. It’s another thing entirely to indulge them in their delusional definitions of the social reality they think they’re defining themselves against.

    But that’s what happens. The only option for ordinary people in the tech community is to walk on eggshells around them. Not only do you have to accept their declaration of what gender they are, you also have to accept each one’s own idiosyncratic definition of what it means to be that gender, and you have no way of knowing that except by asking questions that will get you labeled as insensitive, so it’s best to avoid interaction with them as much as possible even if you’re a tolerant, good-thinking person. I suspect it’s easier to deal with them if you’re well-trained in university nonsense studies and can flip back and forth between contradictory stances with ease. If you see a bearded lady, just switch your mindset back to the “there are intrinsic no differences between men and women” memeplex. Then thirty seconds later when somebody asks you how a man can know he’s really a woman, you tell them that men are intrinsically different from women, because transwomen are, quite literally, the exception that proves the rule. Then, the bigot asks, might these differences be relevant to understanding, for instance, why women make less money than men? No, because there are no intrinsic differences between men and women, because a trans identity can mean anything at all, because all categories are fluid. Get it?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @WowJustWow

    The existence of people who will literally mutilate themselves to become 'women', kind of puts a damper on the idea that there is 'no such thing as gender'

    One of these camps has got it wrong, there's no doubt about that...

    Germain Greer, 'The Female Eunich' author is famous for her hostility towards trannys.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  102. @Jefferson
    @Steve Sailer

    "It’s a primitive southeast Asian bad idea that’s taking over America."

    It's racist cultural appropriation. White people are always stealing other racial group's cultures. In this case White people are stealing Southeast Asian Lady Boy culture. This is worst than when White people become rappers and steal Black culture.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Transgenderism goes back to ancient Greece in the West. Male-to-female transgenders served as priestesses to deities such as Diana, Artemis, and Hecate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Indeed, there's a quasi-religious, cult like aspect to this whole thing:

    "Liberals Worship Caitlyn Jenner as Transgender “Goddess”
    Cult-like adulation is downright creepy"

    http://www.infowars.com/liberals-worship-caitlyn-jenner-as-transgender-goddess/


    Guardian writer Paris Lees also ordered everyone to “bow down bitches” and genuflect in the presence of Jenner’s angelic image.

    As Brendan O’Neill writes, “There is a palpable religiosity to the wild hailing of Bruce/Caitlyn as a modern-day saint, a Virgin Mary with testicles. Within four hours, more than a million people were following Bruce/Caitlyn’s new Twitter account, hanging on her words like the expectant horde waiting for Moses at the foot of Mount Sinai. Her every utterance, all banal celeb-speak, was retweeted tens of thousands of times. Celebs and commentators greeted her as a kind of messiah.”

    Those who dared blaspheme the new “Goddess” were the victim of swiftly organized witch hunts, with Twitter users targeting anyone who still had the temerity to address Jenner by her former name.

    “Just as those who denied the divinity of Christ were once expected to recant their heresy, so those who deny the gender of Caitlyn Jenner are hounded by bots into apologising for their moral error,” writes O’Neill. “The American gay-rights group GLAAD is scouring the mainstream media for any use of the word ‘he’ in relation to Caitlyn, like a modern incarnation of the Vatican’s Index Librorum Prohibitorum, which monitored the public sphere for any less-than-gushing commentary on God. It has issued speech-policing guidelines for the media. ‘DON’T refer to her by her former name… DO avoid using male pronouns and Caitlyn’s prior name, even when referring to events in her past.’”
     
  103. One more time:

    If Fred wakes up tomorrow and thinks he’s Napoleon, they’ll give him psychotropic drugs to bring his delusions back into line with reality.
    If Fred wakes up tomorrow and thinks he’s Josephine they’ll give him hormones and surgery to bring his”reality” into line with his delusions.

    Wake me up when they can change chromosomes.

    Until then it’s mental illness

  104. @WhatEvvs
    Bruce was born in November 1949. That year the most popular girl name was Linda. (Bruce was #26 among boys, by the way.) Followed by Mary, Patricia, Barbara....

    http://www.babycenter.com/popularBabyNames.htm?year=1949

    Why did he choose the name Caitlyn? That name didn't even register until the 1990s. Does he have a fetish about 20 somethings? Or being a 20 something girl? Perhaps his obvious autogynephilia fixates on a certain type of girl embodied in the name Caitlyn.

    http://time.com/3903883/caitlyn-jenner-name-popularity/

    The name is on the downward swing anyway, but I think it's popularity will plummet now.

    Replies: @kihowi, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    May lose popularity? Ya think?

  105. @Steve Sailer
    @Forbes

    He's a full-time professional celebrity. He has been upfront over the last 39 years that he intends to never again do a day of non-celebrity work in his life. His best line in an article I read 15 or 20 years ago was that on his deathbed he plans to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @David In TN, @Father O'Hara

    I thought he owned some company that dealt with aircraft parts.A guy w i th that drive and obsession could it seems do anything;maybe even be a blogger?

  106. @Another anon
    @Anonymous

    Not the Olympics, but the 1986 European Champion in women's shot put has since transitioned to male. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Krieger As far as I can tell, no medals have been stripped. In fact she/he has an anti-doping award named in her/his honor.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    But that’s publicly admitted to be a sad case of somebody messed up by East German Olympic coaches’ hormone doping.

  107. This Jenner thing is playing out much the same way as the bradley/chelsea manning thing played out. Manning was headed for a long prison term. So he changed genders, by words only, no surgery involved. This was an attempt, I would guess, to obtain some sort of special protective custody while in prison. Special rights, special accomodations etc.

    Of course the pseudo-left establishment went all soft and squishy on the idea, and wikipedia played the same sort of revisionary games.

    Of course manning almost certainly has no intention of having any major surgery, and of course he knows he will not get any while in prison.

    Jenner also has a bogus motive — he wants more more fame and money.

    The photo is heavily photoshopped, and I would bet he has no surgical alterations and he will not get any. Those “breasts” are simply the man boobs of a 65 year old, propped up in a bra and photoshopped.

    The more that the establishment can focus the political activism of youth on these sorts of non-economic social issues, the richer the rich can get.

    It is fascinating to see how the establishment has been able to manipulate the youth of america into focusing on this gay rights/gender bender nonsense. And the media is the enforcer that forces celebrities, at bad-PR/demonization gunpoint, to play along with the nonsense.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @leftist conservative

    Indeed.

  108. @Dew
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Its a real social injustice. Very disrespectful to the female runners who competed.

    "Caitlyn Jenner ran a 47.51 at the 1976 Olympics, a best of all time for women in the event."

    I know Wikipedia is a bad source but this line is particularly stupid. "Caitlyn" did not even exist at that time and Bruce did not have any part in the female running competitions. Bruce was not a woman at that time. Hell even the citation links to Bruce Jenner.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    “Caitlyn” did not even exist at that time…

    “Caitlyn” still doesn’t exist, except in the blizzard of news stories about Jenner and in the minds of those who take them at their word. These deluded creatures are already talking about it as if it were “Caitlyn” who won a gold medal in the 1976 Olympics. “She” was merely temporarily burdened with the body and identity of Bruce Jenner. This is surely the ultimate in female empowerment. If only people like Bill Gates and Elon Musk would have sex changes, think of what the feminist movement would gain by this retroactive boost to female achievement.

  109. @leftist conservative
    This Jenner thing is playing out much the same way as the bradley/chelsea manning thing played out. Manning was headed for a long prison term. So he changed genders, by words only, no surgery involved. This was an attempt, I would guess, to obtain some sort of special protective custody while in prison. Special rights, special accomodations etc.

    Of course the pseudo-left establishment went all soft and squishy on the idea, and wikipedia played the same sort of revisionary games.

    Of course manning almost certainly has no intention of having any major surgery, and of course he knows he will not get any while in prison.

    Jenner also has a bogus motive -- he wants more more fame and money.

    The photo is heavily photoshopped, and I would bet he has no surgical alterations and he will not get any. Those "breasts" are simply the man boobs of a 65 year old, propped up in a bra and photoshopped.

    The more that the establishment can focus the political activism of youth on these sorts of non-economic social issues, the richer the rich can get.

    It is fascinating to see how the establishment has been able to manipulate the youth of america into focusing on this gay rights/gender bender nonsense. And the media is the enforcer that forces celebrities, at bad-PR/demonization gunpoint, to play along with the nonsense.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Indeed.

  110. @Kate Minter
    @Anonymous

    All of their names start with a K. To give himself a "c" name still makes him different from them.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “All of their names start with a K. To give himself a “c” name still makes him different from them.”

    Well, he is different from them, but now he’s kind of like them. 🙂

    • Replies: @Kate Minter
    @Anonymous

    lol Right! I'm just saying, the "k" would have been the obvious choice making him part of the, er, clan.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Jefferson

    Transgenderism goes back to ancient Greece in the West. Male-to-female transgenders served as priestesses to deities such as Diana, Artemis, and Hecate.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Indeed, there’s a quasi-religious, cult like aspect to this whole thing:

    “Liberals Worship Caitlyn Jenner as Transgender “Goddess”
    Cult-like adulation is downright creepy”

    http://www.infowars.com/liberals-worship-caitlyn-jenner-as-transgender-goddess/

    Guardian writer Paris Lees also ordered everyone to “bow down bitches” and genuflect in the presence of Jenner’s angelic image.

    As Brendan O’Neill writes, “There is a palpable religiosity to the wild hailing of Bruce/Caitlyn as a modern-day saint, a Virgin Mary with testicles. Within four hours, more than a million people were following Bruce/Caitlyn’s new Twitter account, hanging on her words like the expectant horde waiting for Moses at the foot of Mount Sinai. Her every utterance, all banal celeb-speak, was retweeted tens of thousands of times. Celebs and commentators greeted her as a kind of messiah.”

    Those who dared blaspheme the new “Goddess” were the victim of swiftly organized witch hunts, with Twitter users targeting anyone who still had the temerity to address Jenner by her former name.

    “Just as those who denied the divinity of Christ were once expected to recant their heresy, so those who deny the gender of Caitlyn Jenner are hounded by bots into apologising for their moral error,” writes O’Neill. “The American gay-rights group GLAAD is scouring the mainstream media for any use of the word ‘he’ in relation to Caitlyn, like a modern incarnation of the Vatican’s Index Librorum Prohibitorum, which monitored the public sphere for any less-than-gushing commentary on God. It has issued speech-policing guidelines for the media. ‘DON’T refer to her by her former name… DO avoid using male pronouns and Caitlyn’s prior name, even when referring to events in her past.’”

  112. Pat Casey says:
    @Tim Howells
    Amazing. I keep thinking that now they've gone too far, and everyone must see how absurd and poisonous this all is ... but nope.

    Replies: @Pat Casey

    “Evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin.” -G.K. Chesterton

    Now you might say there’s nothing really evil about this, but ask yourself if you would want your children around people who mutilate themselves in the single most abnormal way.

    • Replies: @Tim Howells
    @Pat Casey

    Yes, I agree completely. This is pure evil. I find it increasingly difficult to feel anything but contempt for people who have no objections to Miley Cyrus, Madonna, Bruce Jenner, Lady Gaga, Kim Kardashian, et al being held up as role models for their young children. If you even raise the issue they get pissed off at you.

  113. @syonredux
    @SPMoore8


    1. A novel way of handling homosexuality (which I believe is still strongly proscribed)
     
    Very much so. Indeed, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad once made a comment to the effect that Iran does not have Gays in the "Western" sense of the word.Their pro-trans stance is basically a way of affirming that position: "You want to get screwed by other men in the Islamic Republic?The only legal way to do it is to take female hormones and have your penis and testicles removed and become a pseudo-woman."

    Replies: @Perspective

    Not saying that I recommend this on humans, but scientists have been largely successful in changing gay rams to straight rams. Would it not be easier for a country like Iran to find (hopefully humane) a way to do the same with people? Or is admitting you even have these feelings a crime in itself there?

    • Replies: @Bad Memories
    @Perspective

    Really? Links please. I think Cochran would be interested to hear this.

    Replies: @Perspective

  114. @Anonymous
    @Kate Minter

    "All of their names start with a K. To give himself a “c” name still makes him different from them."

    Well, he is different from them, but now he's kind of like them. :)

    Replies: @Kate Minter

    lol Right! I’m just saying, the “k” would have been the obvious choice making him part of the, er, clan.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kate Minter

    "lol Right! I’m just saying, the “k” would have been the obvious choice making him part of the, er, clan."

    You're right. The whole thing is really just very odd.

  115. @Lex Corvus
    Look on the bright side: the Republican Party finally has the spokesperson it deserves.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Not until he proves he’s had his balls removed.

  116. @Big Dubya
    If a tranny can retroactively define himself not to have 'fathered' children, Haven Monahan should go this route and declare that as a woman he could not have 'raped' Jackie. Although, I gotta admit, given that he doesn't technically exist, that's probably an even better defense.

    Replies: @Jim, @WowJustWow, @Gato de la Biblioteca

    There ya go, Steve, Big Dubya nailed it. Haven Monahan is THE perfect candidate for sex reassignment surgery. His non-existence is a plus. It’ll just be like Dr. Tuttle from MASH!

  117. @22pp22
    Transsexuals trying to be feminine is tragic to watch. My father spent years trying to perfect the walk and the gestures. Not even close. There was no woman trapped inside that man's body, just a screwball.

    If you've ever been stuck with someone who won't stop trying to imitate your accent, you'll know how it feels to live with one. They always think they can do it right, but they never can. I went through two weeks of hell in the USA because everyone around me decided to speak British.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    I thought he owned some company that dealt with aircraft parts.A guy w i th that drive and obsession could it seems do anything;maybe even be a blogger?

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Father O'Hara

    Are you talking about my father? He never owned a company. He was a pilot. You're confusing me with someone else.

  118. jon says:
    @Isaac Bickerstaff
    This probably isn't the next big thing, but maybe it will the next next big thing. It won't be called a disorder for much longer. "Transablilism" has already replaced this as the term used in the media.

    Using surgery to mutilate the disturbed is apparently the mark of a progressive society.

    From Wikipedia:

    Body integrity identity disorder (BIID, also referred to as amputee identity disorder[1]) is a psychological disorder wherein sufferers feel they would be happier living as an amputee. It is related to xenomelia, "the oppressive feeling that one or more limbs of one's body do not belong to one's self".[2]

    BIID is typically accompanied by the desire to amputate one or more healthy limbs to achieve that end. BIID can be associated with apotemnophilia, sexual arousal based on the image of one's self as an amputee. The cause of BIID is unknown. One theory states that the cause of BIID is a neurological failing of the brain's inner body mapping function (located in the right parietal lobe). According to this theory, the brain mapping does not incorporate the affected limb in its understanding of the body's physical form

    Replies: @jon

    This probably isn’t the next big thing, but maybe it will the next next big thing. It won’t be called a disorder for much longer. “Transablilism” has already replaced this as the term used in the media.

    It’s already the study of serious academic research:

    Becoming disabled by choice, not chance: ‘Transabled’ people feel like impostors in their fully working bodies

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/becoming-disabled-by-choice-not-chance-transabled-people-feel-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies#__federated=1

  119. @syonredux
    @Chuck


    If they had “her” assassinated by a crazy muzzie that would really tie together two important memes. The heroic tranny would be canonized and we could finally start bombing Syria.
     
    Actually, the Iranians are pro-transgender:

    Before the Islamic Revolution in 1979, the issue of transsexuality in Iran had never been officially addressed by the government. Beginning in the mid-1980s, however, transsexual individuals were officially recognized by the government and allowed to undergo sex reassignment surgery. As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate.[1]

    [.....]

    One early campaigner for transsexual rights was Maryam Hatoon Molkara, who had been assigned male at birth but identified as female. Before the revolution, she had longed to become physically female but could not afford surgery and wanted religious authorization. In 1975, she began to write letters to Khomeini, who was to become the leader of the revolution and was in exile. After the revolution, she was fired, forcedly injected with male hormones, and institutionalized. She was later released with help from her connections and continued to lobby many other leaders. Later she went to see Khomeini, who had returned to Iran. During this visit, she was subjected to beatings from his guards. Khomeini, however, did give her a letter to authorize her sex reassignment operation, which she later did in 1997.[2] Due to this fatwa, issued in 1987, transsexual women in Iran have been able to live as women until they can afford surgery, have surgical reassignment, have their birth certificates and all official documents issued to them in their new gender, and get married to men.[3]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran


    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/iran-performed-over-1000-gender-reassignment-operations-four-years041212

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Veracitor

    I wonder if Iranian Shia tenderness towards transsexualism is tied to a “dominant/submissive” view of sexual relationships. A transsexual who “becomes a woman” to enter the submissive role affirms the visible division of sex roles, whereas a man who wants to partner with another man affronts it.

  120. @Perspective
    @syonredux

    Not saying that I recommend this on humans, but scientists have been largely successful in changing gay rams to straight rams. Would it not be easier for a country like Iran to find (hopefully humane) a way to do the same with people? Or is admitting you even have these feelings a crime in itself there?

    Replies: @Bad Memories

    Really? Links please. I think Cochran would be interested to hear this.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    @Bad Memories

    Here's one such article, though I'm sure Cochran is already aware of it:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-intriguing-tale-of-the-gay-sheep-430683.html
    "And it gets more intriguing. When the team studied the brains of these gay sheep, they invariably discovered they have a substantially smaller hypothalamus than their straight male siblings. This is the first hard scientific evidence of biological differences between gay and straight mammals - and they found these brain differences are already in place in the third trimester of pregnancy. Sheep, at least, are born gay or straight.

    So what's Martina's problem? It begins with the next stage of the research. It turns out this epidemic of gay sheep is a serious problem for the agricultural industry. This 8 per cent of rams are not breeding, and a further 8 per cent seem to be asexual. (Many of these might be lesbians who can't express their sexuality. Female sheep always express a desire for sex by just standing still. The world's fields may be littered with millions of lesbian sheep lying still, wondering why their dream-ewe never comes). If 16 per cent of your flock is cruising or day-dreaming, that's a lot of lost money.

    That's why the experimenters began to try to something new: making the gay sheep straight. They altered the hormonal levels in their brains and monitored their behaviour. And the result? Many of the gay rams decided a bit of ewe wasn't so bad after all. They began to have heterosexual sex."

  121. @WhatEvvs
    @kihowi

    I always thought the name Caitlyn (and its various derivations/spellings) was more popular than the link I provided says. Well, I learned something....

    Seriously, I do think that the choice of name is revealing. Take a classical, beautiful name like Elizabeth or Helen (don't laugh, Helen now sounds very grannyish but it is a pure, classical name), and it would have indicated something else about Bruce, however misguided the whole thing is. That he chose a trendy-girly name like Caitlyn really gives away the tawdriness of the entire business.

    But I suppose I am being redundant.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I always thought the name Caitlyn (and its various derivations/spellings) was more popular than the link I provided says. Well, I learned something….

    You learned that people at Time are innumerate.

    At the Social Security Administration’s baby name site I counted the Caitlin* clones which fell in the top 200 for both the 1990s and the 2000s. Combined, there were over 100,000 in the ’90s and over 120,000 the next decade. The latter qualifies it for the top 12– and this doesn’t include tens of thousands whose spellings fell below #200.

    This is an illusion seen whenever a name divides by orthography. “I know so many Steves! Why is Steven ranked so low?” Because Stephen accounts for a lot of those Steves. Same with Sara/Sarah.

    *the correct spelling

  122. The real story here is the death of feminism.

    If a man can encroach on feminine turf like this, what is the use of feminism?

    From blackface to pussydick.

  123. “Brendan O’Neill points out the Orwellian 2 + 2 = 5 aspect”

    If the balls are involved, it should be 2 – 2 = 0 but they are selling it as 2 – 2 = 2015.

  124. @Bad Memories
    @Perspective

    Really? Links please. I think Cochran would be interested to hear this.

    Replies: @Perspective

    Here’s one such article, though I’m sure Cochran is already aware of it:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-intriguing-tale-of-the-gay-sheep-430683.html
    “And it gets more intriguing. When the team studied the brains of these gay sheep, they invariably discovered they have a substantially smaller hypothalamus than their straight male siblings. This is the first hard scientific evidence of biological differences between gay and straight mammals – and they found these brain differences are already in place in the third trimester of pregnancy. Sheep, at least, are born gay or straight.

    So what’s Martina’s problem? It begins with the next stage of the research. It turns out this epidemic of gay sheep is a serious problem for the agricultural industry. This 8 per cent of rams are not breeding, and a further 8 per cent seem to be asexual. (Many of these might be lesbians who can’t express their sexuality. Female sheep always express a desire for sex by just standing still. The world’s fields may be littered with millions of lesbian sheep lying still, wondering why their dream-ewe never comes). If 16 per cent of your flock is cruising or day-dreaming, that’s a lot of lost money.

    That’s why the experimenters began to try to something new: making the gay sheep straight. They altered the hormonal levels in their brains and monitored their behaviour. And the result? Many of the gay rams decided a bit of ewe wasn’t so bad after all. They began to have heterosexual sex.”

  125. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @WowJustWow
    @syonredux

    "McHugh objected that clinicians naively accepted transsexual patients’ histories of having been quite feminine, when there was ample evidence in many cases that the histories were false (for example, a married man who presents as conventionally masculine). This objection is often correct, though it has no obvious relevance to the advisability of sex reassignment."

    It's highly relevant if it demonstrates the patient's confusion not only over what gender he is, but over what kinds of things are masculine or feminine in the first place. And that happens more often than you'd think.

    Male-to-female transgenders are highly overrepresented in the computer technology community. They have stereotypically geeky male interests (e.g. playing violent video games, dressing like slobs).

    And some of them have great big bushy beards that would be the envy of any Al-Qaeda terrorist.

    Now, the most charitable interpretation of their facial hirsuteness that I could think of is that only men need to shave their faces, so that if they were to shave every day, they would be "enacting" a male identity somehow. But then one of them said he doesn't think there is anything masculine at all about growing a beard, so that theory was out. Of course, if a cis-woman (a woman born as a woman and identifying as a woman, a.k.a. a normal woman) chose to get a hair transplant so that she could grow thick facial hair, nobody on earth would say she's just choosing one particular look from a range of potentially feminine options. It's one thing to indulge people in their fantasies of what they are. It's another thing entirely to indulge them in their delusional definitions of the social reality they think they're defining themselves against.

    But that's what happens. The only option for ordinary people in the tech community is to walk on eggshells around them. Not only do you have to accept their declaration of what gender they are, you also have to accept each one's own idiosyncratic definition of what it means to be that gender, and you have no way of knowing that except by asking questions that will get you labeled as insensitive, so it's best to avoid interaction with them as much as possible even if you're a tolerant, good-thinking person. I suspect it's easier to deal with them if you're well-trained in university nonsense studies and can flip back and forth between contradictory stances with ease. If you see a bearded lady, just switch your mindset back to the "there are intrinsic no differences between men and women" memeplex. Then thirty seconds later when somebody asks you how a man can know he's really a woman, you tell them that men are intrinsically different from women, because transwomen are, quite literally, the exception that proves the rule. Then, the bigot asks, might these differences be relevant to understanding, for instance, why women make less money than men? No, because there are no intrinsic differences between men and women, because a trans identity can mean anything at all, because all categories are fluid. Get it?

    Replies: @anonymous

    The existence of people who will literally mutilate themselves to become ‘women’, kind of puts a damper on the idea that there is ‘no such thing as gender’

    One of these camps has got it wrong, there’s no doubt about that…

    Germain Greer, ‘The Female Eunich’ author is famous for her hostility towards trannys.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    …kind of puts a damper on the idea that there is ‘no such thing as gender’
     
    No, the whole drawn-out farce puts a damper on the idea that there IS such a thing as "gender".

    Sex is real. Gender is not. How difficult is this concept to process?

    Replies: @Dew

  126. iSteveFan says:
    @OsRazor
    O'Sullivan and others forget that The Party in 1984 and the Communists in the Soviet Union and elsewhere during the Cold War were decidedly old-fashioned when it came to family formation, much more conservative than the West. TFR was excellent. They would not have tolerated Bruce Jenner's shenanigans, Andrew Sullivan's insistence that the only thing keeping him from blowing his brains out was the love of a good man.

    You're going to censor and coerce people to behave a certain way regardless of the form government and elites take--what we have now is beyond the Pale.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    O’Sullivan and others forget that The Party in 1984 and the Communists in the Soviet Union and elsewhere during the Cold War were decidedly old-fashioned when it came to family formation, much more conservative than the West.

    I’ve noticed that too. Leftwing loons in the West tend to support every alternative lifestyle out there, while the ones who ran the USSR were socially conservative. I’m guessing that it has something to do with the fact that the lefties in the communist nations were in complete control and treated the nation as their possession. So they tended to support policies that were good for social order and the maintenance of a healthy society.

    In the West the lefty loons are not yet in full control and probably think they need to continue wrecking society to eliminate last vestiges of resistance to their worldview. I would imagine once they have full and complete control, they will modify their views and take a more nurturing stand about their newly won societies.

    • Replies: @H2
    @iSteveFan

    If I recall correctly, the Communists in the USSR supported women's liberation from oppressive marriages in the beginning, marriage rates plummeted and family life in general sucked, the Communists realized that having stable marriages might be a good thing for society, and eventually supported traditional stable marriages.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Reg Cæsar

  127. @Kate Minter
    @Anonymous

    lol Right! I'm just saying, the "k" would have been the obvious choice making him part of the, er, clan.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “lol Right! I’m just saying, the “k” would have been the obvious choice making him part of the, er, clan.”

    You’re right. The whole thing is really just very odd.

  128. @Peter Meyer
    Living in 2015 doesn't feel like 1984 to me; the current elites simply don't have that level of ruthless conviction. Drone strikes and Guantanamo are child's play by Stalinist standards. Can anyone imagine the pampered Obama types overseeing gulags and mass show trials? They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state. What the modern world really feels like, as another commenter said, is The Twilight Zone, a surreal world as opposed to a malevolent one. Picture, if you will...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob McX, @Busby

    Can anyone imagine the pampered Obama types overseeing gulags and mass show trials? They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state.

    Oh I can. In fact it’s scarier than 1984. Most of the goons and cretins in the gulag and Auschwitz were guys drawing a pay check and indulging in some gratuitous bullying. I can think of nothing worse than being in the clutches of a true believer.

    • Replies: @Peter Meyer
    @Busby

    I think you need a certain callousness to effectively oversee a totalitarian state. To be sure, many of the modern leftist elite very much wish they were capable of violence against their enemies; Paul Krugman, for example, can barely contain himself when waxing on about Grant's campaigns against those evil Confederates. But Krugman, and the rest of his ilk, are cowards, pampered dependents of the system and totally incapable of doing anything that might endanger themselves or their posh lifestyles. The authoritarians of old were mostly former military men and/or low-class streetfighters, and even the intellectuals existed in a political climate where ideological disputes were solved through beating and assassinations. By contrast, the typical Democratic bigwig of today has spent his adulthood in non-profits, think tanks and college faculties. They're bred to be spineless. As soon as the people start pushing back against this two-bit leftist kulturkampf it will, like a black hole, rapidly collapse under the pull of its own stupidity.

    , @Hersh
    @Busby

    Look up the Rutgers spy cam trial. The trial and conviction with 10 year possible sentence of an 18 year old who was repeatedly forced to leave his dorm room and go sit somewhere else for hours because his gay roommate of 2 months wanted to have an older man from Craig's List in the room to have sex. The OUTRAGE! when the judge wouldn't go through with the horror show and only sentenced him to 30 days in a community jail/outdoor work program. The Obama types wanted him to get the 10 years for seeing a few seconds of 2 out homosexuals kissing.

    There was a note found in the backpack of the homosexual roommate who jumped off the George Washington bridge (which he had visited often - for some time, for some reason and a photo of the bridge was on his phone for some time for some reason). The defense wasn't allowed to see the note and the prosecution made a lot of motions to try to prevent the judge from seeing the note. If it was a suicide note and if it had anything to do with the roommate, it would have been Exhibit A in the trial, for sure.

    The goodie goodie LGBTXYZ-whatever types are very capable of totalitarian cruelty. They sure don't make a peep about drone bombs or Israel bombing schools or any of that horror show.

  129. @iSteveFan
    @OsRazor


    O’Sullivan and others forget that The Party in 1984 and the Communists in the Soviet Union and elsewhere during the Cold War were decidedly old-fashioned when it came to family formation, much more conservative than the West.
     
    I've noticed that too. Leftwing loons in the West tend to support every alternative lifestyle out there, while the ones who ran the USSR were socially conservative. I'm guessing that it has something to do with the fact that the lefties in the communist nations were in complete control and treated the nation as their possession. So they tended to support policies that were good for social order and the maintenance of a healthy society.

    In the West the lefty loons are not yet in full control and probably think they need to continue wrecking society to eliminate last vestiges of resistance to their worldview. I would imagine once they have full and complete control, they will modify their views and take a more nurturing stand about their newly won societies.

    Replies: @H2

    If I recall correctly, the Communists in the USSR supported women’s liberation from oppressive marriages in the beginning, marriage rates plummeted and family life in general sucked, the Communists realized that having stable marriages might be a good thing for society, and eventually supported traditional stable marriages.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @H2

    Yes, originally Bolsheviks wanted to abolish marriage, they made both divorce and abortions easily available, but Stalin was more conservative (as in the national question, he showed himself to be a pragmatic realist, opposed to lunatic ideologues), so by the end of the 1920s this all came to an end.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @H2


    Communists realized that having stable marriages might be a good thing for society…
     
    Communists realized that having stable marriages might be a good thing for the Party.

    Fixed.

    You can never be too cynical regarding the left.
  130. Peter Meyer [AKA "Peter Fagan"] says:
    @Busby
    @Peter Meyer

    Can anyone imagine the pampered Obama types overseeing gulags and mass show trials? They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state.

    Oh I can. In fact it's scarier than 1984. Most of the goons and cretins in the gulag and Auschwitz were guys drawing a pay check and indulging in some gratuitous bullying. I can think of nothing worse than being in the clutches of a true believer.

    Replies: @Peter Meyer, @Hersh

    I think you need a certain callousness to effectively oversee a totalitarian state. To be sure, many of the modern leftist elite very much wish they were capable of violence against their enemies; Paul Krugman, for example, can barely contain himself when waxing on about Grant’s campaigns against those evil Confederates. But Krugman, and the rest of his ilk, are cowards, pampered dependents of the system and totally incapable of doing anything that might endanger themselves or their posh lifestyles. The authoritarians of old were mostly former military men and/or low-class streetfighters, and even the intellectuals existed in a political climate where ideological disputes were solved through beating and assassinations. By contrast, the typical Democratic bigwig of today has spent his adulthood in non-profits, think tanks and college faculties. They’re bred to be spineless. As soon as the people start pushing back against this two-bit leftist kulturkampf it will, like a black hole, rapidly collapse under the pull of its own stupidity.

  131. jon says:

    He wants desperately to look like his target customer (the casually flawless college kid) a woman, and in that pursuit he has aggressively transformed himself from a classically handsome man into a cartoonish physical specimen: dyed hair, perfectly white teeth, golden tan, bulging biceps boobs, wrinkle-free face, and big, Angelina Jolie lips.

    When an old guy does it to look younger, its delusional. When an old guy does it to look like a women, its heroic.

    From here: http://jezebel.com/5479980/american-beauty-a-brief-history-of-abercrombies-hiring-practices

  132. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Gender and Personality Preferences

  133. @theo the kraut
    OT

    Call me weird or kinky, but somehow this rings a bell with me--gawker.com:


    Police in North Charleston, S.C., have arrested the man they believe wrapped electrical tape around the muzzle of Caitlyn ...

    ...the dog, a chocolate Staffordshire ...
     

    The poor dog gets surgery, the article ends:

    “We have the greatest of hopes for this beautiful girl,” ...
     

    Replies: @Kylie

    Call me weird or kinky, but somehow this rings a bell with me–gawker.com:

    “Police in North Charleston, S.C., have arrested the man they believe wrapped electrical tape around the muzzle of Caitlyn …

    …the dog, a chocolate Staffordshire …”

    The poor dog gets surgery, the article ends:

    “We have the greatest of hopes for this beautiful girl,” …

    I use Facebook to advocate for homeless/neglected/abused dogs so naturally, I followed the attractive Caitlyn’s story from the beginning. My friends and I have had so much fun joking about the two Caitlyns being in the news at the same time. No one doubts which is the more feminine and attractive of the two.

  134. @H2
    @iSteveFan

    If I recall correctly, the Communists in the USSR supported women's liberation from oppressive marriages in the beginning, marriage rates plummeted and family life in general sucked, the Communists realized that having stable marriages might be a good thing for society, and eventually supported traditional stable marriages.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, originally Bolsheviks wanted to abolish marriage, they made both divorce and abortions easily available, but Stalin was more conservative (as in the national question, he showed himself to be a pragmatic realist, opposed to lunatic ideologues), so by the end of the 1920s this all came to an end.

  135. @Pat Casey
    @Tim Howells

    “Evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin.” -G.K. Chesterton

    Now you might say there's nothing really evil about this, but ask yourself if you would want your children around people who mutilate themselves in the single most abnormal way.

    Replies: @Tim Howells

    Yes, I agree completely. This is pure evil. I find it increasingly difficult to feel anything but contempt for people who have no objections to Miley Cyrus, Madonna, Bruce Jenner, Lady Gaga, Kim Kardashian, et al being held up as role models for their young children. If you even raise the issue they get pissed off at you.

  136. Caitlyn is the sort of name that a young girl with Borderline Personality Disorder would give herself during her latest stay at a psychiatric facility. The type of name that’s up there with Amy as a rebranding name for oneself.

  137. @Jaakko Raipala
    Jenner is going to bring a lot more fun to wikipedia given that he has beaten a lot of women's track and field world records.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/400_metres

    "The current women's world record is held by Marita Koch, with a time of 47.60 seconds. However, Caitlyn Jenner is the fastest woman's performer of all time, running a time of 47.51 in 1976 while competing under the name Bruce Jenner."

    From the talk page:

    "Caitlyn Jenner ran a 47.51 at the 1976 Olympics, a best of all time for women in the event. At the time, she went by the name Bruce. I feel it would be extremely transphobic to erase her identity and belittle her accomplishments by failing to mention this time."

    I can't even tell whether this is real social justice or a troll job.

    Replies: @Dew, @jon

    “The current women’s world record is held by Marita Koch, with a time of 47.60 seconds. However, Caitlyn Jenner is the fastest woman’s performer of all time, running a time of 47.51 in 1976 while competing under the name Bruce Jenner.”

    Already deleted and locked down.

  138. One day there will be a revolution, the like of which we be so fierce it will rock the very foundations of society. Truth will be everything, and at such news of a man becoming a woman the media headlines will scream: “How Very, Very Strange.”

  139. The concept of a third sex does exist in the middle east and South Asia, and is even mentioned in the Quran or Hadith. For example in some parts of traditional Africa, men can trans dress and live their lives as women, and vice versa.

    In most parts of the world (except the Christian West?), I think normal societies accepted the concept of transgenderism to try to give some safe (but segregated) social space to those born sexually and gender deviant.

    What else can one do?

    Obviously, there is no need to go overboard and celebrate transgenderism either.

    • Replies: @Hersh
    @Merema

    Are they accepting transgenderism/third sex or just tolerant of odd-ballism? They also accept that there will be some people with disabilities, illnesses and mental deficiencies. The difference is, as Lech Walesa put it,
    “They have to know that they are a minority and must adjust to smaller things. And not rise to the greatest heights, the greatest hours, the greatest provocations, spoiling things for the others and taking (what they want) from the majority,” he told the private broadcaster TVN during a discussion of gay rights. “I don’t agree to this and I will never agree to it.”

    “A minority should not impose itself on the majority,” Walesa said.

    Replies: @Merema

  140. @Busby
    @Peter Meyer

    Can anyone imagine the pampered Obama types overseeing gulags and mass show trials? They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state.

    Oh I can. In fact it's scarier than 1984. Most of the goons and cretins in the gulag and Auschwitz were guys drawing a pay check and indulging in some gratuitous bullying. I can think of nothing worse than being in the clutches of a true believer.

    Replies: @Peter Meyer, @Hersh

    Look up the Rutgers spy cam trial. The trial and conviction with 10 year possible sentence of an 18 year old who was repeatedly forced to leave his dorm room and go sit somewhere else for hours because his gay roommate of 2 months wanted to have an older man from Craig’s List in the room to have sex. The OUTRAGE! when the judge wouldn’t go through with the horror show and only sentenced him to 30 days in a community jail/outdoor work program. The Obama types wanted him to get the 10 years for seeing a few seconds of 2 out homosexuals kissing.

    There was a note found in the backpack of the homosexual roommate who jumped off the George Washington bridge (which he had visited often – for some time, for some reason and a photo of the bridge was on his phone for some time for some reason). The defense wasn’t allowed to see the note and the prosecution made a lot of motions to try to prevent the judge from seeing the note. If it was a suicide note and if it had anything to do with the roommate, it would have been Exhibit A in the trial, for sure.

    The goodie goodie LGBTXYZ-whatever types are very capable of totalitarian cruelty. They sure don’t make a peep about drone bombs or Israel bombing schools or any of that horror show.

  141. @Merema
    The concept of a third sex does exist in the middle east and South Asia, and is even mentioned in the Quran or Hadith. For example in some parts of traditional Africa, men can trans dress and live their lives as women, and vice versa.

    In most parts of the world (except the Christian West?), I think normal societies accepted the concept of transgenderism to try to give some safe (but segregated) social space to those born sexually and gender deviant.

    What else can one do?

    Obviously, there is no need to go overboard and celebrate transgenderism either.

    Replies: @Hersh

    Are they accepting transgenderism/third sex or just tolerant of odd-ballism? They also accept that there will be some people with disabilities, illnesses and mental deficiencies. The difference is, as Lech Walesa put it,
    “They have to know that they are a minority and must adjust to smaller things. And not rise to the greatest heights, the greatest hours, the greatest provocations, spoiling things for the others and taking (what they want) from the majority,” he told the private broadcaster TVN during a discussion of gay rights. “I don’t agree to this and I will never agree to it.”

    “A minority should not impose itself on the majority,” Walesa said.

    • Replies: @Merema
    @Hersh

    Answer: Tolerant of odd-ballism-that is what I meant to convey.

  142. @forward observer
    I am convinced that the pathology of this case is grounded in
    1. Autogynephilia
    and
    2. A vendetta against ex wife Kris, borne of equal measures of jealousy and resentment.

    I gotta get hand to ol' Bruce. He's gone from comic relief to star of the show in record time. Kris must be privately mortified.

    Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown

    I think you’re absolutely right, but I’d like to add one more thing to the mix, uber-competitiveness. This underwrites both the aforementioned jealously and resentment.

    We all know Bruce is a very competitive man. One does not become an Olympic athlete, much less a gold medal winner otherwise. His only job for the past 30-plus years, self-admittedly, has been that of a “professional celebrity”. Moreover, all the women in his family have been absolutely kicking his ass at it for the past ten.

    Perhaps I’m veering in to absurdist reductionism, but Bruce just beat all the Kardashians at their own game. Soundly, I might add. The “C” in “Caitlyn” is just a bonus eff-you.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Gunnar von Cowtown

    "Bruce just beat all the Kardashians at their own game." -

    And the Internet has been won.

    Thank you and good night.

  143. Once upon a time, in ancient myths, women were born fully mature from the foreheads of the gods; but, now, we are the most fortunate of generations; for it is no longer a myth: a woman can be born fully adult; but, the mature part is open to question.

  144. @Rob McX
    @Peter Meyer

    They lack the nerve for a proper totalitarian state.

    Maybe they don't need a proper totalitarian state, because the type of regime they have is just as effective. If they went full Stalinist, it might wake people up. People can be more easily induced to conform by the media and entertainment industry than by draconian laws. Under the present system, the consequences of thoughtcrime are not the Gulag, but losing one's job and being ostracised.

    Replies: @Forbes

    The perfect dictatorship is one where the people think it to be a democracy.

  145. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @forward observer

    I think you're absolutely right, but I'd like to add one more thing to the mix, uber-competitiveness. This underwrites both the aforementioned jealously and resentment.

    We all know Bruce is a very competitive man. One does not become an Olympic athlete, much less a gold medal winner otherwise. His only job for the past 30-plus years, self-admittedly, has been that of a "professional celebrity". Moreover, all the women in his family have been absolutely kicking his ass at it for the past ten.

    Perhaps I'm veering in to absurdist reductionism, but Bruce just beat all the Kardashians at their own game. Soundly, I might add. The "C" in "Caitlyn" is just a bonus eff-you.

    Replies: @njguy73

    “Bruce just beat all the Kardashians at their own game.” –

    And the Internet has been won.

    Thank you and good night.

  146. @Hersh
    @Merema

    Are they accepting transgenderism/third sex or just tolerant of odd-ballism? They also accept that there will be some people with disabilities, illnesses and mental deficiencies. The difference is, as Lech Walesa put it,
    “They have to know that they are a minority and must adjust to smaller things. And not rise to the greatest heights, the greatest hours, the greatest provocations, spoiling things for the others and taking (what they want) from the majority,” he told the private broadcaster TVN during a discussion of gay rights. “I don’t agree to this and I will never agree to it.”

    “A minority should not impose itself on the majority,” Walesa said.

    Replies: @Merema

    Answer: Tolerant of odd-ballism-that is what I meant to convey.

  147. “Your honor, the person who was driving the Cadillac Escalade at the time of this unfortunate accident on Feb 7, no longer exists. I therefore move for dismissal of all damage claims by plaintiff against my client, Caitlyn Jenner.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SF

    "In fact, your honor, the man named Bruce Jenner never existed. He was just a delusion of society. I dare you to deny this."

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @SF

    “Your honor, the person who was driving the [Ford Bronco] at the [week] of this unfortunate [filleting] [in June] no longer exists. I therefore move for dismissal of all damage claims by plaintiff against my client, [Oresteia Simpson].

    "Oh, your honor, and counsel no longer exists, either."

    --Ghost of Robert Kardashian

  148. @SF
    "Your honor, the person who was driving the Cadillac Escalade at the time of this unfortunate accident on Feb 7, no longer exists. I therefore move for dismissal of all damage claims by plaintiff against my client, Caitlyn Jenner."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    “In fact, your honor, the man named Bruce Jenner never existed. He was just a delusion of society. I dare you to deny this.”

  149. @H2
    @iSteveFan

    If I recall correctly, the Communists in the USSR supported women's liberation from oppressive marriages in the beginning, marriage rates plummeted and family life in general sucked, the Communists realized that having stable marriages might be a good thing for society, and eventually supported traditional stable marriages.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Reg Cæsar

    Communists realized that having stable marriages might be a good thing for society…

    Communists realized that having stable marriages might be a good thing for the Party.

    Fixed.

    You can never be too cynical regarding the left.

  150. @SF
    "Your honor, the person who was driving the Cadillac Escalade at the time of this unfortunate accident on Feb 7, no longer exists. I therefore move for dismissal of all damage claims by plaintiff against my client, Caitlyn Jenner."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    “Your honor, the person who was driving the [Ford Bronco] at the [week] of this unfortunate [filleting] [in June] no longer exists. I therefore move for dismissal of all damage claims by plaintiff against my client, [Oresteia Simpson].

    “Oh, your honor, and counsel no longer exists, either.”

    –Ghost of Robert Kardashian

  151. @anonymous
    @WowJustWow

    The existence of people who will literally mutilate themselves to become 'women', kind of puts a damper on the idea that there is 'no such thing as gender'

    One of these camps has got it wrong, there's no doubt about that...

    Germain Greer, 'The Female Eunich' author is famous for her hostility towards trannys.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …kind of puts a damper on the idea that there is ‘no such thing as gender’

    No, the whole drawn-out farce puts a damper on the idea that there IS such a thing as “gender”.

    Sex is real. Gender is not. How difficult is this concept to process?

    • Replies: @Dew
    @Reg Cæsar

    The current use of the term "gender" started with in the mid 1950's with psychologist John Money. He separated sex and gender. Then in the early 1970's some feminists took his ideas seriously and applied it in their theories.

    So basically people took one psychologist's writings to heart and radically changed society because of it. John's theories could have been wrong and maybe they are, but few people point this out.

  152. Dew says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    …kind of puts a damper on the idea that there is ‘no such thing as gender’
     
    No, the whole drawn-out farce puts a damper on the idea that there IS such a thing as "gender".

    Sex is real. Gender is not. How difficult is this concept to process?

    Replies: @Dew

    The current use of the term “gender” started with in the mid 1950’s with psychologist John Money. He separated sex and gender. Then in the early 1970’s some feminists took his ideas seriously and applied it in their theories.

    So basically people took one psychologist’s writings to heart and radically changed society because of it. John’s theories could have been wrong and maybe they are, but few people point this out.

  153. @Father O'Hara
    @22pp22

    I thought he owned some company that dealt with aircraft parts.A guy w i th that drive and obsession could it seems do anything;maybe even be a blogger?

    Replies: @22pp22

    Are you talking about my father? He never owned a company. He was a pilot. You’re confusing me with someone else.

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