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An August 28, 2020 legal filing:
STATE OF MINNESOTA
COUNTY OF HENNEPIN
DISTRICT COURT
FOURTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT
State of Minnesota, Plaintiff,
vs.
Derek Michael Chauvin, Defendant.
Court File No. 27-CR-20-12646
DEFENDANT’S NOTICE OF INTENT TO INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE
TO: THE HONORABLE PETER A. CAHILL, JUDGE OF HENNEPIN COUNTY
DISTRICT COURT; AND MATTHEW G. FRANK, ASSISTANT MINNESOTA
ATTORNEY GENERAL.NOTICE OF MOTIONS
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE the Defendant, Derek Michael Chauvin, may offer at trial
evidence and circumstance of the following:1. The facts and circumstances of MP 2019-127538 from May 6, 2019. At that time Mr.
George Floyd was engaged in the sale and possession of large quantities of controlled
substances. When approached by police he placed drugs in his mouth in an attempt to avoid
arrest, and swallowed them. When interacting with police he engaged in diversionary
behavior such as crying and acted irrationally. An ambulance was called to transport Mr.
Floyd to the hospital.
So it sounds like Floyd had a modus operandi that he survived on May 6, 2019 but that killed him when he tried it again on May 25, 2020.
So, it’s likely Floyd stuck his fentanyl in his mouth. He might have survived this time too, only the ambulance got lost.
In any case, the incident doesn’t seem to have anything to do with White Racism (unless you blame Floyd’s repulsive character on white people), and little to do with Police Brutality.
More “White” “Logic” from “Steve” “Sailer.”
For God so loved the world, he gave his only be-fentanyled Son, that whoever believeth in the lie should not be arrested, but have everlasting anarcho-tyranny.
– Obama 3:16
Steve , that’s from 2019, not 19 days b4 his death
The final civil rights frontier: a world made safe for bleggs to swallow as much Fentanyl as they want and not die.
Yeah but it’s not, the only thing that’s relevant is George Floyd good and white man bad.
I’ll keep saying this: black people are smarter than us. Friend/enemy
The filing speaks of a 2019 incident, so a year and 19 days, not just 19 days.
That was over a year before, not 19 days
The date in the filing is May 6, 2019, which would have been a year earlier.
It was in 2019, last year.
This news is extraordinary.
But what does this have to do with the vicious murder of Emmet Till. Not to mention Emmet’s father, Mr. Till? Every male in the Till family was murdered by white supremacists. Right? Let’s try to focus here people.
No where did Steve say it was 19 DAYS after. He was just showing modus operandi.
Saint George was also hooping.
Steve, for clarification, the alleged prior incident was from May 6, 2019. So one year and 19 days before Floyd’s date with destiny.
Actually, Floyd told officers that he had been “hooping,” slang for concealing drugs in the rectum. So he took the drugs out of his rectum before swallowing them.
The tactics used by the police were brutal even if they were legal. The Eichmann-like defense that the police “were following proper procedures” is the very root of the problem. And the fact that George Floyd survived a similar incident at some point before his fatal encounter does not add any weight to the arguments of those who wish to exonerate the arresting officers—it does exactly the opposite.
I don’t personally mourn for George Floyd. I don’t think the world is any worse off for not having George Floyd in it. I think that a society wherein the police were allowed and expected to club a guy like George Floyd to the ground without giving two hoots about his safety or his civil rights would make for a leaner, meaner, more functional society than the one we currently inhabit.
But we do not live in that world. We live in a world where the death of people like George Floyd in police custody results in mayhem and rioting and burning. Given these known facts, it would have been advisable to avoid such an outcome by any means possible, especially considering that it would have cost the officers involved little more than a few more minutes of jawboning with a drugged up idiot and a temporary deflation of their egos.
Tragic circumstances, untimely demise.
Brutha could have had a respectable job at Eatin’ Apothecary.
How many Unzers cucked for the NFL tonight?
Did you watch it while sitting home alone wearing a mask?
Were you loving “the Black national anthem”?
BLM signs on the field?! Only thing missing is the Black American flag aka the watermelon flag.
BLM is a racist marxist organization run by homosexuals who want to end the nuclear family as described on their website.
Sounds good to you, right cuck?
Will you patronize the giant corporate advertisers who paid for commercial time? Will you go and buy your Pepsi and Burger King and KFC products like a good little slave? Yes you will.
WHO THE HELL WATCHED THIS SH!T TONIGHT
Loathsome cucks that’s who.
Steve,
Maybe you should warn people that there is scheduled a hearing for Friday September 11th where the lawyers for the officers in the George are requesting a dismissal of all charges.
How can the Judge not grant a complete dismissal?
Has anyone informed the public to be on alert for the certain nationwide mayhem that would ensue this weekend?
Former officer in George Floyd killing asks judge to dismiss case
https://www.channel3000.com/former-officer-in-george-floyd-killing-asks-judge-to-dismiss-case/
George Floyd Trial: All 4 Ex-Minneapolis Officers To Appear Together In Court For 1st Time
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/09/10/lawyers-for-former-minneapolis-police-officers-highlight-george-floyds-history-of-crime-drug-use/
Who Is Judge Peter Cahill, Who Will Oversee Case Of Four Ex-MPD Officers Charged In George Floyd’s Death?
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/08/21/who-is-judge-peter-cahill-who-will-oversee-case-of-four-ex-mpd-officers-charged-in-george-floyds-death/
Ok, Judge Cahill can kick the can down the road till Oct 15th and then again until after the Nov 3rd election. Cahill is also on the ballot, but running unopposed.
But what the hell is the point. The charges against the officers are bogus.
Steve,
The reported May 6 incident occurred in 2019, not 2020.
Was Floyd ever charged, by the way? Was he prosecuted?
So it’s a longstanding M.O.
Was bound to backfire eventually.
But toxic whiteness, racism, etc.
All the founders of blax looting merrily ate militant bullsprr cparsr – biyvj than vabal sports Frumps!!
As I’ve posted here several times. He didn’t just swallow the fentanyl to get rid of it, he clearly dropped 2 packets of it as shown in the video from the corner. The rookie cops didn’t notice it.
Why didn’t anyone comment on that at the time? It really makes me think journalists are total morons at this point. Nobody notices shit anymore.
Praise be to Julian Assange, who provided 90 percent of the news for 2-3 years with his “leaks” which the MSM simply reprinted. And then had the audacity to attack Assange as not being a journalist. God help us.
“. . . the ambulance got lost.”
It’s hard to believe how retarded these people can be. My kids and I were driving behind a fire station and saw a brush fire 10 yards from the fence that separated the vacant lot from the fire station. As we pulled into the parking lot of the Mexican grocery store next door we saw the engines pull out and go through the same parking lot we were in. Then they turned right instead of left, and drove away from the fire. Fifteen minutes later when we had finished shopping and were returning to our car, they were just coming back to the scene, even though they couldn’t have traveled more than 150 yards on that street in the wrong direction before the street ended.
It was a vacant lot that no one could have known the address to. The call to 911 must have said “There’s a fire right behind the station”. There would have been no other way to describe the spot.
Interesting, but will the judge allow this evidence to be presented at the trial?
If the prosecution goes forward with the second-degree murder charge, the prosecution will have to argue that Chauvin believed that Floyd couldn’t breathe and that Chauvin believed that Floyd couldn’t breathe because of what Chauvin was doing with his knee. What Floyd did in a prior arrest (if Chauvin didn’t know about it) isn’t relevant to Chauvin’s state of mind. BUt there are other ways it might come in.
This seems like a mistake for the defense. The level of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was high, but not that high. An OD is much more plausible if Floyd were a naive user, not a regular user. Moreover, if he swallowed fentanyl before and survived without needing treatment at the hospital (unknown), this seems to decrease the plausibility of an OD this year. What the defense should try to show in conjunction now is that Floyd was a heroin or speedball user, not a regular fentanyl user, and also try to get the person with him that day to testify to the drugs he thought he had. If he were a regular heroin/speedball user and thought he were swallowing something without fentanyl that was actually laced with fentanyl unbeknownst to him, that would explain things better.
GOOD on whoever found and/or noticed this critically relevant fact first.
We KNOW that it is almost certain that the MSM’s overpaid saturation’ ‘coverage’ (sic) {i.e., ‘cover to learn facts that should be hidden’} likely knew all of this within 24 hours of filing. Given the power of the effectively involuntary {to the public} media on all of this BLM BM BS, what they, the US Media have been doing is treasonous.
R.C.
Unfortunately, I believe commenter Sean is correct that, if they can show Chauvin committed a technical “assault” by not following dept guidelines, they do not need to show that Chauvin believed Floyd couldn’t breathe.
Another question: I don’t remember any evidence from the stomach contents of the autopsy suggesting that Floyd had swallowed anything. I assume plastic baggies wouldn’t digest in the requisite time.
I dunno … wouldn’t the coroner have checked the stomach for residue or undissolved pills or powder? There’d be a mention of it in the first autopsy, st least.
This also establishes that Floyd, in addition to being an ex-con home-invasion-burglar and counterfeit money passer was also a drug-dealer. Fentanyl, no less. A real solid citizen. The “Gentle Giant” BS was always belied by the fact that he worked as a bouncer.
And for this guy, cities all across America were looted and burned, people killed, and statues torn down all around the Western World.
There is no need for a trial. Everybody saw what happened. The world saw and knows what happened. Why should there be a trial? It’s right there in plain sight. Ask anybody. There’s nothing more obvious. Do the eyes lie? The eyes of the world? Everyone saw it. Spread the word, and insist: no trial is necessary. Why should there be a trial? We all saw and we know.
The question is not merely rhetorical. Why should there be a trial? On behalf of the world, press for an answer.
Are you truly surprised? The media has been doing this for how long?
No where did Steve say it was 19 DAYS after. He was just showing modus operandi.
Saint George was also hooping.
Nah, he revised the post to reflect that it was really 2019. In the original post it said 19 days
Because it went to Cub Foods instead of Cup Foods? Be careful what you name your storefront!
I saw a video on Youtube of a woman in Australia wrestled to the ground because she wasn’t wearing a mask, and the cops put a knee on her neck. I don’t remember any World-Wide outrage at that.
Mind, I haven’t been able to find the video since. Youtube seems to have made such videos of COVID-inspired strong-arming difficult to find, requiring you sign in, or shutting down comments.
Look at this report from some NPCs on Australian TV about the cops hassling a young woman. Comments turned off – guess why.
What the Hell happened to aussies? What a bunch of abject snivelling sheep. Honestly – if China invades their country, the US shouldn’t do a thing to help them. Let ’em have it. F**k ’em.
sb;dw
Sportsball; didn’t watch.
Thanks for sharing!
What do you base this on?
Have you watched the bodycam vids or read the transcripts?
There’s neither malice nor violence on the part of the cops.
Floyd starts saying he can’t breathe when he’s still in the cop car (though not entirely in the car because he won’t fully get in…) shortly BEFORE Chauvin gets involved.
Floyd is the one who asks to lay down on the ground. Yes, the cops are then holding him down, but there’s no evidence that they’re choking him or otherwise preventing him from breathing. For one he keeps talking. For another the autopsies didn’t find evidence of strangulation.
Worse than bogus, they are racially motivated.
NOPE, watched Trump rally in Mich.
How am I to know which corporations to not patronize if I didn’t watch the game?
I can almost guarantee you he won’t be ruling from the bench and issuing a dismissal tomorrow.
Police brutality is real, but the second video indicates that this case is not an example of it.
WHO THE HELL WATCHED THIS SH!T TONIGHT
You did, apparently. Otherwise, how would you know so much detail about it? Asking for a friend.
Stefan Molyneux was all over this drug overdose theory about the Floyd death two days after it happened. He also pointed out that the kneeling on the neck restraint was a technique approved by the Minneapolis PD. So you see, all the riots, destruction and doubling down on “systemic racism” were/are all based on a false premise.
Molyneux has since been banned from YouTube.
It’s called “Booty dope”.
Hey
You there
Yes, you
Stop screwing with the narrative
On a smaller scale in my area there is the, “Havin’ a Beer,” movement, where suburban whites and blacks are supposed to get together for beers.
The reality is that it’s goodwhite cucks getting together with the one pet token black in their suburb to virtue signal on Faceberg.
They’ve been overrated for a long time.
In my hosteling days I found they were an accent and not much else.
You might want to stop confusing “Woke Reality” with dealing in facts.
If you lay down with the sheep, don’t be surprised if you get up fleeced.
I ‘ve read an article that Assange wrote for a newspaper but I don’t know if he was a journalist at Wikileaks. He definitely was an editor and publisher. I can’t wait for the editor and publisher of the New York Times to face the same charges. Why not? They demand the prosecution of anybody who publishes what they published. They committed the same crimes under the US censorship system. That’s the 1917 Espionage Act.
I can’t understand why there are delays in the UK extradition of Assange. Their D-notice system started during the First World War and publishing official secrets is subject to their censorship system too.
I’d prefer a relaxation of US and UK censorship but after the New York Times people go to prison for life. It’s what they’re stupid enough to demand and it would be cruel to deny them. [email protected]
Officer Chauvin was following procedures intended to immobilize the suspect so that he could be placed in a leg and arm restraint. Chauvin is heard requesting a hobble restraint. Unfortunately the other officers are distracted by the gathering crowd. The hobble restraint is so that suspect can be positioned as needed for treatment by the paramedics upon arrival and so the uncooperative suspect can be transported to hospital safely. Officer Chauvin is heard on video mentioning the likelihood of Floyd being in a state of excited delirium and was at all times following the correct procedure to ensure the best possible out come for the suspect, his fellow officers, bystanders and the paramedics upon arrival. This includes keeping the suspect restrained facing down on his belly.
The grounds for dismissal are clear cut. Not only is no evidence that Officer Chauvin was intending to harm Floyd, there is no indication that the officers were not attempting to follow police procedures designed to safely administer treatment in case of a potentially violent extreme drug overdose suspect.
The question for the Judge to ask at today’s hearing is there anything that the police officers could have done differently that would have likely resulted in a better outcome for George Floyd given that if he did not receive immediate treatment he was in the process for dying from an acute drug overdose. What would the prosecution suggest would have been a better authorized tactic for handling George Floyd. Hell if the cops had simply let Floyd get up and walk away he still would have been dead, perhaps sooner, according to the autopsy.
The only possible thing that the cops could have possibly done was to administer Narcan themselves when it appeared that the paramedics were delayed. But were the officers authorized to do so? Did they have the Narcan with them? Were they prevented from doing so by the crowd? Could the Narcan have saved Floyd’s life? Still wouldn’t the procedure be to secure the suspect in a hobble first in case the suspect becomes violent after having Narcan administered and being revived? Think about what happened in the deadly Appleton WI shootout a few weeks earlier where the paramedic was killed and two cops injured after having saved the life of a drug overdose.
At today’s hearing the prosecution should be asked these questions and if they can not answer them the charges should be dropped.
Again the only justification for not granting immediate dismissal is politics and the threat of violence from the mob.
I do not expect an immediate complete dismissal today. But I can not think of a logical legal reason for this farce to continue.
There isn’t the slightest indication that any Chinese has ever considered invading Australia. It’s the USA that is repeatedly guilty of wars of aggression.
Australians aren’t really interested in independence. Our politicians and most of the people believe in obeying a powerful ally in exchange for protection. That was the UK and then the USA after it entered WW2. We don’t know what the USA protects us from but it must be something or other. If there’s nothing now, perhaps something will turn up.
We fought for the USA in the US vs Korea War and against China when it came to the assistance of the Korean Communists.
We fought for the USA and are still doing so in the US vs Afghanistan War.
We fought for the USA in the US vs Iraq War.
We fought for the USA in the US vs Vietnam War.
We didn’t fight against Cambodia, Laos, Panama, Grenada, the Bosnian Serb Republic, Yugoslavia, Syria or Libya. I don’t know whether we fight against Somalia.
We’ve killed a lot of people for the USA. You shouldn’t be thankful. You killed a lot more and we were buying protection. If it wasn’t for now, it was for the future.
You should be grateful that we repeat your lies about China because that gives us nothing but grief. They’re our biggest customer, largest source of tourists, who also spend more per head than Yanks do, and largest source of students who pay for a university education. There are also nearly 4% of Australians who were born in China and they have children. Economically, the USA is unimportant to Australia. Unfortunately, our politicians can’t keep their mouths shut. [email protected]
It’s called “ass to mouth” in porn world which is certainly plausible given Saint George’s ministry there.
It’s Activistball. I won’t watch. I did, however, watch a soccer game the other day between Hungary and Russia. I figure they have no interest in BLM and won’t cave in to them.
It’s clear there was no police brutality. ‘One on the neck one on the deck’, is a safe and effective way to control a combative subject. He was not harmed in any way by the police and they exhibited no animosity towards him.
If he had not ingested fentynal either orally or anally he’d be alive.
Look kid you’re going to do the, ‘Ed Anger’ thing, pick a moniker.
Nothing is worse than a funny screed with a limp, flaccid, anonymous.
Shorty after the initial event someone posted the report of the Floyd autopsy. It might have been fake but it looked genuine (and I have the background to assess). My recollection was that several important coronary arteries were more than 90% occluded. If that is correct and you didn’t know about the kneeling on the neck (which BTW, we cannot tell how hard the officer was doing that) you’d put cause of death as acute myocardial infarction and say it may have been triggered by the drugs.
Add to this the other video showing that Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe while he was sitting in the police car, exactly like when he was on the ground one could easily conclude the shortness of breath was due to the drugs.
In any other situation that would be reasonable doubt on the murder charges IMO. So there is a very good chance of riots at some point- either when this judge dismisses or at the end of the trial some day
The judge should dismiss but I’d be pleasantly surprised if he did. The charges are to keep cities from burning, what are the lives of some police compared to that?
Lawyers are afraid to go up against incumbent, lawyer-judges due to fear of retaliation.
When there’s a vacancy, ten lawyers will battle it out.
Sometimes an incumbent is such a spectacular disaster that the guild will disavow him. That signals to potential challengers that their efforts to unseat the judge will not be held against them.
goodwhite cucks getting together with the one pet token black in their suburb to virtue signal on Faceberg
Did Obama originate this tradition with Skippy Gates and Sgt. James Crowley of the Cambridge PD? Even (evidently pre-woke) TIME magazine identified it as virtue signaling.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1929415_1929418_1929404,00.html
Following guidelines (which he apparently did) can help show an absence of intent, but failing to follow them is not evidence 0f intent to kill. An officer might fail to follow guidelines in a way that is *less* rough on a suspect. And, remember, they are not charging depraved indifference (murder three in Minnesota); they are charging intentional homicide (murder 2). They will have to prove that Chauvin thought what he was doing would kill Floyd, and to do that they have to prove that Chauvin believed Floyd couldn’t breathe and that Chauvin believed Floyd’s inability to breathe was caused by Chauvin’s weight on Floyd. There’s no way to prove second-degree murder without proving those things.
Sadly I have to admit that I’m from the country in question, Australia. I myself look at the news every night and think what the hell is going on here. A lot of it comes down to the liberals doing what the yanks tell them to do. It went downhill fast when Little Johnny was in office kissing Bush’s butt. Plus so much of the population just believes the rubbish they see on Facebook. And being a multicultural society, we have to be aware of not hurting the feelings of so many different types of people- black, brown, yellow, homos, trans, straights, amputees, illiterates,muslims, jews, fat, skinny.
The opposing Labour Party don’t seem to mind sucking up to the Chinese, especially when there are kick-backs to be had. And speaking of the Chinese, tensions seem to be rising of late. The yanks want to build a large strategic fuel depot in Darwin. I believe our mighty leader has been told by the US to start squeezing the Asians, which is a bizarre strategy for us, as we will need to rely heavily upon their trade for our recovery. This is largely a result of the US getting Australia to publicly question the possible release of the flu from Chinese labs.
So the question of why we are going downhill fast can be answered simply by our mighty leader’s love of appeasing the yanks. I just hope they’re picking the right side.
My cousin’s drug problem has convinced me that unless a overdose victim is carrying narcan, treat it like a suicide. More importantly respect their right to commit suicide. The state of MN would
have all benefited from such a mindset. I know this is a cold attitude, but how much money to waste on people who have made the decision to use drugs. Its a choice before its an addiction.
For the record my cousin pimped out her 15 yr old for food stamps.
I think you think there are a lot more normalcattle on this website than there actually are. Go try the comments section of a breitbart article, now THERE you’ll find lots of cucks that watched it.
I sorta watched the first half starting about 3 minutes into the game. I had the sound off most of the time because Chris Collinsworth never shuts up and is annoying as hell. I may watch Brady versus Brees Sunday if it rains.
Nope, watched Trump’s Rally in Michigan. I am sure the rally was more entertaining than the game.
Share which corporations to avoid. Thanks.
I’m not one to make arguments for black criminals like George, but in the bodycam video I’ve seen, he looked so alarmed when first confronted by cops (at very close range) that I get the impression he didn’t see them coming. And if he would’ve tried to swallow something after that point it’s likely they would’ve seen his attempt, and the public would know about it.
It’s possible, however, that he saw the police cars pull up to the store so he swallowed what he had before the cops approached his car on foot, but one wonders why he wouldn’t also use that opportunity to drive away. OTOH, not driving away from a potential arrest might fit into a pattern of irrational behavior that he demonstrated throughout the video. Hard to know what happened regarding his drug use, but pretty easy to surmise that the arresting cops had very little to do with his death. The difficult thing now is reconciling truth based justice with emotional mobs of (potentially) millions.
Between :25 and :30 GF leaves something … Did anyone ever followup? Not that I know.
Steve concludes that Floyd’s arrest and death “doesn’t seen to have anything to do with white racism.” Why isn’t “racism” in quotation marks. If Steve believes that “white racism” exists, I’d wish he’d define it and also tell us if blacks can be “racists.” Exactly what is “racism,” and who is a “racist”? Does he believe that Jared Taylor and most of those who writes for Amren.com and Vdare.com are “racists”? To blacks and leftists, most whites are “racists” and “white supremacists,” and Steve Sailer is certainly one of the most notable and infamous “racists” and “white supremacists.’ And to many if not most leftists, all whites are “racists” even if they think they aren’t and don’t know they’re “racists.” And blacks can’t be “racists,” no matter how irrational, psychotic, virulent, obsessive, murderous, and genocidal their hatred of all or most whites.
Second-degree murder in Minnesota is causing the death of a person in the course of committing another felony. I don’t believe it has to be intentional. For example, you are robbing a bank and push an old lady in your way. She falls, hits her head and dies. That’s not intentional, but since you were robbing a bank, now it’s murder.
The felony in this case is supposed to be assault, and the assault is supposed to be due to the fact that Minneapolis PD guidelines say a suspect should be placed on their side (not stomach, like Floyd) after being hogtied.
The prosecutors will say Floyd was assaulted by Chauvin and also that Chauvin caused his death while committing that assault, unintentionally killing him, but committing murder because of the assault.
I’m not saying it’s a strong case nor one that would result in justice if successful,but it doesn’t rely on Chauvin’s intention to kill.
The autopsy showed that Floyd’s lungs were 2.5x normal weight because they were filled with fluid. He had been foaming at the mouth before he was on the ground. That’s why he couldn’t breathe, which he said 7 times before asking to lie on the ground. That’s the result of the fentanyl . The other passengers in the car said after Floyd returned from the store, he was sitting in the car behind the wheel and seemed to suddenly fall asleep. He likely had already taken some drugs, probably in the store. This was why after passing a fake 20 he didn’t take off quickly and was just parked there.
The knee on the neck didn’t compress his airway, it was on the side and was to keep him from jumping up unexpectedly and possibly injuring himself or others. He’d already hit his head while in the car which caused bleeding. That’s the purpose of the knee to the side of the neck. Look at the training picture. It’s a way of restraining the suspect safely.
Nonsense. Why would Floyd, who denied he was on drugs, volunteer that he had been carrying them around in that fashion? 99.99% of the time “hooping” means playing hoops, i.e. basketball, and the rest of the time it probably has to do with crocheting. The Urban Dictionary entry is anyway probably bogus.
It’s ok, they’re just trying to flatten the curve.
Unfortunately they haven’t used the time to beef up the response capacity or to deescalate the issue. To the contrary, they’ve sandbagged the police and have fed the (unjust and invalid) sense of grievance. So it’s probably not going to be pretty when it happens.
Doesn’t matter. He’s been sainted.
How can we find out what the ratings were?
The level of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was high, but not that high.
Oh yes it was that high. Check out some literature reviews. A femoral blood level of 11 nanograms per cc is close to the median value you see in large samples of overdose deaths.
For black chauvinists, the nut of the objection is that a person of lower status (Chauvin et al) presumed to detain a person of higher status (a black man). For bourgeois liberals, the nut of the objection is that a person of lower status (Chauvin et al) presumed to detain one of our pets, we being people of the highest status. For a lot of the arrested-development case white louts at buts-t0-nuts demonstrations, the objection is that a person of lower status (very much like Chauvin) presumed at one time to arrest me. All leftoid politics in our time is a series of objections based on status.
It was only one, the RCA, that was more 90% blocked. However, the LAD was more than 75% blocked. This put Floyd in a risk group for sudden cardiac death even without a coronary artery thrombosis (the classic heart attack).
The following website is well documented and explains the situation quite well…
http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/pathology/sudden-cardiac-death/sudden-cardiac-death-and-coronary-artery-disease/
Floyd’s heart was fragile due to its blockages, which meant any increase in oxygen demand (such as exercise) might have killed him. However, the interaction with drugs is more complex. As you can see from the discussion in the following article (you can use SciHub to read it), the question is not whether fentanyl is bad for the heart but whether or not fentanyl protects the heart.
https://doi.org/10.1097/00000542-198206000-00001
The article concludes that fentanyl does not protect the heart during ischemic events, but there is no suggestion of its causing infarctions. When people OD from fentanyl, they stop breathing, but Floyd obviously had not stopped breathing, as you can see in the video. There is therefore no clear mechanism for fentnayl OD to have caused Floyd’s cardiac arrest.
I don’t believe Chauvin or the other officers prevented Floyd from breathing, so he appears to have died from a situation that was probably causing his heart to beat stronger and faster than it was capable of–i.e., stress. Although I have not found literature on clearly established panic-leading-directly-to-cardiac-arrest (rather than, say, cardiomyopathy), the stress of the situation seems to have been the culprit.
“Vikings will host, recognize George Floyd’s family at season opener vs. Packers.”
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/09/11/vikings-will-host-recognize-george-floyds-family-at-season-opener-vs-packers/24618172/
Saint Floyd evidently had a history of pulling this stunt but this time fate had other plans and thusly shuttled his worthless ass off this mortal coil.
I’ve seen this repeated on Unz Review a lot, but have not seen any actual links to scientific literature. The fact that you reference a “femoral blood level,” which is not a thing (it just describes the location the blood was taken from during autopsy), suggests you are just repeating hearsay.
When the Floyd death was new, I found papers comparing fentanyl levels in deaths of regular users like cancer patients that suggested Floyd’s levels were not that high.
For an OD literature, you would have to eliminate confounders like other drugs and break the goup into naive and tolerant users. Studying naive users and tolerant users together and comparing their blood levels would lead to misleading and invalid conclusions.
Moreover–and this is actually very much more important–fentanyl ODs cause death through unconsciousness and then respiratory arrest, but Floyd was far from unconscious/unable to breath throughout the arrest. That’s why the medical examiner said that he would classify it as an OD ordinarily without the video evidence ( i.e., the video showed Floyd was not in respiratory arrest).
(There is another theory that fentanyl can cause fluid in lungs, but this is very speculative. It might work in court for the reasonable doubt standard, but it is not a strong theory about Floyd’s actual cause of cardiac arrest. The fluid-filled lungs might have contributed, but were they from the fentanyl? COVID? a combination? How fast do lungs fill up after fentanyl and what fentanyl level causes it? Weak stuff.)
That’s a possibility, but it’s not for sure. Fentanyl causing pulmonary edema is rare, and one theory is that it’s not the fentanyl but the Narcan that medics give ODing patients that results in the edema. And Floyd also had COVID. Also, I’m not sure how much edema leads to death. The pulmonary system is built to keep working even under less than ideal conditions. The fluid may have contributed, but it also may have been the stress of the overall situation on the heart.
https://jrnyquist.blog/2019/09/11/the-secret-speech-of-general-chi-haotian/
Liar.
From where are you getting this information? Not the Minneapolis PD.
And when was Floyd “hog-tied”? He was hand cuffed, and that’s all.
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The blood was taken antemortem, not postmortem. There is a big difference.
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Till floyd day is in march
I think the expression is that if you lie down with sheep (or dogs or whatever you have in mind) that you’ll get up with fleas. Or were you making a play on words?
iSteve, the reality is that a white cop standing on Floyd’s neck for nine minutes while his peers looked on was a significant factor that led to his death.
It’s funny that one of the few issues that Kamala Harris pushed as a senator was the anti-lynching legislation, because blacks love lynching–they just want to be in charge of who gets lynched.
A day or two ago someone here posted a video in which a white policeman is overpowered by a black suspect, who escapes but is immediately grabbed by a big, strong black civilian who wrestles him to the ground and holds him. Very admirable and I was impressed by the man ho interceded. However, while he is holding the suspect, other blacks run up and start kicking the suspect. Whether he deserved it or not, this is really contemptible behavior from a people who constantly complain about police brutality. Many of them seem to enjoy dishing out as much brutality as they can get away with.
iSteve, the reality is that a white cop standing on Floyd’s neck
No officer was standing on Floyd. You lie.
“No officer was standing on Floyd. You lie.”
No lying here. Just correctly employing a phrase. To stand on someone’s neck’ means:
–To be victimized by someone, who is controlling everything that you do and thereby preventing you to act or function normally.
Similarly, when someone prevents you to do something that you naturally do, and you feel like you are being controlled or manipulated by that person, to such an extend that you cannot even perform your basic activities or actions, one is appropriately using this phrase.
But, if you are zigging your wig because you want me to be precise, OK. The officer’s knee was on Floyd’s neck for several minutes.
No lying here. Just correctly employing a phrase
No one was standing on Floyd’s neck. You lie.
But, if you are zigging your wig because you want me to be precise, OK. The officer’s knee was on Floyd’s neck for several minutes.
Now you backtrack from your lie. What other lies are you going to tell next, liar?
You left out adult film actor on the Habib Show.
I’ve seen this repeated on Unz Review a lot, but have not seen any actual links to scientific literature. The fact that you reference a “femoral blood level,” which is not a thing (it just describes the location the blood was taken from during autopsy), suggests you are just repeating hearsay.
No, I’m repeating content in actual literature reviews which have data tables on blood levels which are specifically labeled for samples taken from there. Yes it is a thing.
iSteve, the reality is that a white cop standing on Floyd’s neck for nine minutes while his peers looked on was a significant factor that led to his death.
Really? Prove it. Prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Prove that it had anything to so with the savage dying.
You can’t. You literally know nothing whatsoever about anything, Corvinus. You are just doing the same thing you always do, which is to mindlessly repeat what people on TV tell you to repeat. You have to do this because you are totally incapable of formulating your own thoughts or opinions.
You know what else is really funny about you people?
You get mad about this, AND you get mad about the Daniel Prude story. But if you had even the tiniest shred of ability to think for yourself, you would realize that the Prude story basically refutes the George Floyd story.
Morons like you repeat “Knee kill Floyd! If you put your knee on someone’s neck, he’ll die! If cop not put knee on neck, Floyd no die! No neck knee!”.
And then what happens? Well, then what happens is, the same thing happens to ANOTHER dumb black guy on a boatload of drugs. And the cops DON’T put their knee on his neck.
And guess what? The black guy dies anyway!
If you had a normal, human-level IQ, it would become totally obvious to you that the knee has nothing to do with it. Black guys who do a bunch of drugs and start freaking out just die sometimes, and typically, nothing of value is lost.
But because the only thing you can do is mindlessly repeat what you are told to repeat, that fact just never crosses your mind.
You’re wrong about what second-degree murder is in Minnesota, and so was I.
It includes both scenarios. However, to prove assault they still have to prove the intentional infliction of bodily harm, and that means proving that Chauvin thought his knee was causing Floyd to be unable to breathe. That absolutely has to be proven.
After watching the video several times I assume the packet in question is hard up against the wall under where Floyd’s left elbow was during the time he was sat down.
I recall a highly insightful commenter named Intelligent Dasein. Are other people posting under the same name?
Every claim in the first paragraph is upside down. You draw one false conclusion after another.
Amen, bruvah! I’d rather watch paint dry than a bunch of black guys in tights running with balls in-between corporate-sponsored BLM propaganda and struggle sessions.
Read some books instead, you fucking grug-brained lick-knobs!
Just as I figured, you got triggered from my hate fact.
“And the cops DON’T put their knee on his neck.”
In the case of Floyd, that action occurred. Thank you for agreeing. That took courage. The state’s autopsy revealed that “combined effect of being restrained, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system” led to this death. So we have a medical professional stating that the cop’s action was one of three significant factors in the death of Floyd.
“But if you had even the tiniest shred of ability to think for yourself, you would realize that the Prude story basically refutes the George Floyd story.”
Really? Prove it. Prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. [Snicker snack]
“You have to do this because you are totally incapable of formulating your own thoughts or opinions.”
Project much?
You are a johnny-come-lately to this debate. This issue was discussed extensively on other iSteve threads. Old news, but I live in Japan, and the Minneapolis PD website is set up so people in certain regions like Japan (apparently) get 404 errors when they try to read it. So in this case, I am taking the word of another iSteve commenter named Sean who insists that the PD has a policy of turning people on their side. If he is wrong, I would be interested to know, but you are the first person to disagree with him. Can you post quotations of PD policy, or are you talking out of your ass?
Pages 13-14 of the body cam transcripts…
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/7070-exhibit-final07072020/4b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf
….show the officers talking about their “hobble”, an ankle restraint, and they seem to apply it.
Not Floyd, but in general. Femoral blood samples on autopsy are thought to be better approximations of blood in the body while alive. But you are right that blood taken while alive can be different than that taken after death.
My good sir, my only conclusion is this: George Floyd died with a policeman’s knee on his neck while exclaiming that he couldn’t breathe. It does no good for one commenter after another to sound off about how safe and effective the police procedures are. The optics of that are never, ever going to shake out in your favor.
Where was Keith Ellison while yesterdays hearing was taking place?
“Minnesota Gov. Says State AG Keith Ellison Will Lead Prosecutions Related To George Floyd Death”
https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/05/31/keith-ellison-prosecutions-george-floyd
Floyd did not die on the scene:
The autopsy report states he died at 9:25 PM that evening.
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
“The judge overseeing the criminal case of four former Minneapolis Police officers charged in the May 25 killing of George Floyd has disqualified Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman and three of his staffers from working on the case.
Hennepin County District Judge Peter Cahill decided to disqualify Freeman and the staffers from the case, calling their work “sloppy” because they sent prosecutors to question the medical examiner, making them witnesses in the case.
“Those four are to be kept out of this case, period,” Cahill said. “I think it was sloppy not to have someone present [at a meeting with] a primary witness in this case.”
https://archive.is/QEQkr#selection-2445.0-2453.170
George Floyd Died of Health Complications from a Fentanyl Overdose — He Was Not Murdered By Minneapolis Police
https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/27/george-floyd-died-of-health-complications-from-a-fentanyl-overdose-he-was-not-murdered-by-minneapolis-police/
The author:
@shipwreckedcrew
Contributor at http://RedState.com; 22 years as federal prosecutor; six years private practice.
It also appears as if Floyd dropped something shaped like a jelly bean. It’s near his left side hip area. The colour blends in with the concrete, but you can see it’s shadow, thus shape. You can see him drop the objects in the uncut version. It’s funny how the film was cut at that exact time.
Just as I figured, you got triggered from my hate fact.
You posted a lie, not a fact. It is a lie that anyone was standing on George Floyd’s neck.
You are triggered by having your obvious lies pointed out. Typical behavior of a bad liar.
No one stood on George Floyd’s neck, that is a lie. You are a liar.
Corvinus has been caught lying again. Everyone has noticed his pattern of obvious lies.
It revealed no such thing. In addition to your intellectual shortcomings, you are an open and obvious liar.
George Floyd was not hogtied, he was only handcuffed. The hobble was never used on Floyd. Anyone who states or suggests such a thing is confused.
Minneapolis police policy approved the use of a knee pin to restrain combative suspects. It was used more than 240 times prior to Floyd. A wrestling coach had an assistant pin him with this technique for more than 10 minutes and he was perfectly fine.
Except for the fact he lost his job.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wrestling-coach-washington-state-fired-over-post-george-floyd-s-n1217881
The optics of that are never, ever going to shake out in your favor.
So what? The optics are not evidence and they’re no excuse for prosecutors striking asinine poses.
His trachea and adjacent musculature was uninjured. The ‘I can’t breathe’ chatter began before he was restrained on the ground.
“Minnesota Gov. Says State AG Keith Ellison Will Lead Prosecutions Related To George Floyd Death”
Ellison has never worked as a prosecutor and he hasn’t done any criminal defense work in 20+ years. He won’t be leading anything.
The optics of that are never, ever going to shake out in your favor.
The optics show Derek Chauvin looking steadily at the camera, meeting the world eye to eye. Shake that.
Steve’s post here is of historic significance, or at least it ought to be.
The day before Hennepin Co. DA Mike Freeman indicted Derek Chauvin, Freeman announced that exculpatory evidence had come to his attention. That made the indictment–unless there was other, radically incriminating evidence that had just come to Hennepin’s attention, about which he said nothing–a case of prosecutorial misconduct and malicious prosecution. In late July, the previously missing video of George Floyd acting crazy towards the cops at the scene, (15-20) minutes before his death was leaked.
As a suspected member of a murder cult (the Nation of Islam), Keith Ellison was already ineligible for any political office, let alone that of the chief law enforcement officer of the state of Minnesota. Ellison has unconstitutionally suppressed Brady material, in violation of one of the most influential Supreme Court decisions limiting prosecutorial misconduct of the past 100 years.
The man is a black Mike Nifong, if not worse. He must be removed from office, disbarred, and ought to be prosecuted. Will any of that happen? Not bloody likely.
You may be right. I am going off the body cam transcripts. I have watched video only up the point where they start to move Floyd in order to put him in the ambulance, so if there is video showing his legs after that point, I haven’t seen it. But prior to that, there is no video evidence either way since the car is obscuring Floyd’s legs.
So, let me turn it around on you: what is your source for thinking the hobble was not used? (I am not trying to argue with you. I actually want to know a definitive source.)
That is not really the issue. The issue is whether the policy says whether a person needs to be kept on their side rather than their stomach after they are restrained adequately.
Again, I cannot access the PD website, but the other iSteve commenter “Sean” insists that it contains the department’s policies related to restraints and that it says that an arrestee must be placed on his side after he is subdued.
Can you post anything from the PD (quotations or screen shots of policies) that supports your contention that prone positioning is not banned by the policies?
Again, you are late to the game. I have posted on the wrestling coach several times before on Unz Review in the context of calling for citizens to recreate the Chauvin-Floyd 9 minutes of restraint and post it on YouTube in order to dispel the myth that Chauvin’s neck restraint asphyxiated Floyd. I cannot do it as I have no one to help me, but I don’t understand why other people haven’t. This would be one of the easiest ways to take the wind out of the sails of leftists. Why don’t you do it? Get several friends, put on handcuffs, get down and have a friend kneel on your neck for 9 minutes while it’s being filmed. You can wear an oximeter on your finger, and another friend can monitor it to see if your blood oxygen levels drop or your heartrate increasing excessively. It would be a great service to the nation. How about it?
You are 100% right, which is exactly why I have been calling for people to re-create the scene to demonstrate whether the restraints used actually inhibit breathing. (For the latest instance, see my comment just above in reply to Genrick Yagoda.) The possible good to come out of the impact of visual demonstrating a counter-narrative is so great that I am shocked no one has done this yet. It would actually be a patriotic endeavor.
No. It is not a thing. There are only two types of blood in the body–arterial and veinous. “Femoral” describes the location of the body that the blood was taken from (i.e., the femoral artery or femoral vein). The femoral artery and vein are both large and deep in the body so the blood in those locations in a corpse is more like the average circulating blood in a living body. If you see “femoral blood level” in a research paper on autopsies that is trying to extrapolate things about living people, the label is just signalling from the researchers that they have used the best possible blood sample in their research. But there is nothing special about a “femoral blood level” that you would repeat the term if discussing the results of the research.
Again, I have seen claims about the results many times on Unz but not the actual research. Can you please supply a link so I can look at it?
(BTW, even if the research is being presented accurately by the Unz commentariat, it’s not that relevant because you can see in the videos that Floyd is not in respiratory arrest (he is awake and verbal). So, even if the fentanyl contributed to his death, Floyd did not suffer a classic opioid overdose. No amount of research data can alter the video evidence.)
Actually, the autopsy revealed EXACTLY what I stated, as it is a direct quote from that document.
Step away from the computer, ma’am. Due to my hate facts, you are experiencing a digital conniption fit. It’s for your own safety.
You posted a lie, not a fact. It is a lie that anyone was standing on George Floyd’s neck.
You are triggered by having your obvious lies pointed out. Typical behavior of a bad liar.
No one stood on George Floyd’s neck, that is a lie. You are a liar.
Corvinus has been caught lying again. Everyone has noticed his pattern of obvious lies.