Steve, could you give a back of the envelope for the 1.8%? I get a much lower value, under 0.2%. So it may be more like 2 orders of magnitude.

I assumed Harvard’s applicant pool is 13% black, 63% white, 10% hispanic, and 13% asian. For IQ I used the normal 85(14), 100(15), 93(14) and 105(14) values. For admission, I used a score of 130 as the rough cut. That gives blacks a 0.18%. If you bump the cutoff to 140, a value that is more reasonable to me, you get 0.05% black.

It makes the scale of affirmative action rather stark.

Who cares? How does this hurt anything? I can see positives.

The outlier intelligent White males who bring us the future will most likely still get the training they need at some other solid institution. And STEM will likely be least affected.

Universities are going to drastically change anyway. They’re largely outdated institutions.

It’s not like we benefit from their clubby little Smart Set schemes.

Plus we get the added benefit that the Harvard (and those of other elitist institutions) degrees of our current ruling class become debased and more vulnerable to big belly laugh dismissals in the process.

Perhaps the woke admissions committee has misinterpreted the meaning of endowment.

Now this doesn’t mean that 18% of Harvard’s freshman class will be black because Stanford, Yale, and Princeton will also have accepted many of the same applicants.

Why would this be the case NOW, Steve?

If, as the article says, that black kids are among the groups applying with test scores at the lower rates, won’t there be a bigger pool of them now? At least once word gets around this average kid over here got accepted into Cornell or wherever, there’ll be a bigger applicant pool to divvy up at the hotel room (or zoom meeting). It’s not that the admissions people will be so excited about it anymore. I guess it’ll be less like some NFL draft and more like trying to pick those last kids for Dodgeball after the teacher says that you must let everyone play.

2025 headline:

18% of Harvard class of 2021 fails to graduate on time.

So besides dumber and more entitled Harvard graduates (whatever Harvard used to be is dead,) isn’t it going to see massive spike in unpayable student debt? I’m sure there will be some scholarships and maybe a few grants, but than what? Or should we expect that the loan angle is just window dressing* for what’s going to be nothing more than a taxpayer funded minority Ivy League experience?

*Meaning from the start of the loan it was understood the debt would never be paid back.

Doubling down on stupid.

And where’s our “conservative” Supreme Court on overturning affirmative action once and for all? Asking one to check a “race” box should be prohibited on any form, for any reason, by any institution, public or private. These check boxes exist for one reason: To dole out political favors to Democrat constituents.

Categorizing people this way has created a “white” identity where none previously existed. 50 years ago, if you asked people what they were, they’d say, German, or Irish, or Italian. No one would say, “I’m white.” It’s an artificial category created to confer benefits on anyone lucky enough to claim to be outside the category.

And now predictably, the Republican party is routinely criticized for being “too white.” Is it any wonder? The Democrat party has vacuumed up everyone who’s not white (plus guilty whites) into a coalition of the favored.

Remember Harvard is not getting a random selection of blacks, not even high IQ blacks – as the #1 university it gets first pick on the pool of the smartest black people in America. Nowadays the pool is widened with lots of biracial kids who have higher IQs (as well as Igbos, etc.) Even after all that, (roughly) 1.8% is the best that they could do on a color blind basis and the rest are there because of AA.

This would still reflect a preference for blacks but on the basis of score matching – they would only put blacks who have the same range of scores as other races in their pool but might then put their finger on the scale to choose the blacks in that pool. As it is now (last time I looked, it’s probably worse now), they spot blacks roughly 200 points on their SATs – a black with 1400 SATs has the same chance as a white with 1600.

Whites are at least 1 SD inferior to blacks in basketball playing ability but the NBA is still 17% white because they get to pick from the best white players on the planet and they only need to find 60 or 70 individuals.

In this study from a number of years ago, blacks made up 1.1 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the math test and 1.5 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the verbal SAT.

https://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Of course the average SAT at Harvard is more than 700. But probably there are more top scoring “blacks” nowadays for the reasons I give above.

All I know is that the Chinese and Russians are not doing any of this for their college admissions.

With all those applicants of color, maybe it would be a good idea for Harvard to establish the Ma’khia Bryant Endowed Chair in “I’m Gonna Stab the Fuck Out of You” Studies and offer full scholarships to the folks at Miami International Airport the other night.

I’m sure the credits would transfer into the George Floyd School of Fentanyl Studies…

Once you’ve set a precedent, opened the door just a wee bit, it is exceedingly difficult to slam it shut again, especially when the force you have to contend with is the holiest of holies, God’s Vicar on Earth etc ‘racism’. Wheeling back to the old status quo will, of course, be instantly branded ‘racist’, with some actual justification in that it would adversely impact black Harvard admission. Ergo, it will just not happen. Count on it.
So, what one would have habitually thought of as one of the strongest forces in the universe, namely Harvard snobbery, exclusion and elitism, tightly and shamelessly policed by means of ruthless intellectual rigor, has well and truly met its Waterloo.

On the other hand, Harvard,can mere 300 or so years old, is not the ancient and venerable force it likes to think of itself, as the English say, ‘every dog has its day’.

“How does this hurt anything?”

Because when you meet a black Harvard graduate, you’ll assume they didn’t deserve their degree. How does that help you, the graduate, or Harvard?

An honest assessment would follow all the new admits and report on how well they are doing. Please dismiss all data entries for those studying African American history, etc. I guess we are not interested in competing with Asia. And, if in a few years we find that a majority of these new admits drop out or flunk out, we will hear about some disparate impact based on their traumatic childhood or systemic racism. I could make a good living erecting virtue signal towers, I see a big need for them.

OT:

Black Birthday Party: 30-50 Shots Fired, Three-year Old Killed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/shooting-florida-miami-boy-killing-b1837249.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-shooting-3-year-old-boy-killed-at-birthday-party

So if they increase the Blacks, and increase the Asians, this means that some groups will have to see their numbers decrease. Which groups will it be. The Jews? I hear that anti-semitism is quite rampant, everywhere.

That’s not what I heard many years ago from some Chinese graduate students.

What I heard in the old days was that there were a few ethnic minorities that had helped Mao and his followers during the Long March. For decades after, those minorities got special preferences for admission to the top Chinese universities. Whether this is still the case I don’t know.

In early times students whose parents were of the “worker, soldier, peasant” castes were given preferential admissions. Again, I don’t know if this is still the case.

I guess we are not interested in competing with Asia.

The current ruling class still believes that it is still 1992 and that no matter how mismanaged the US gets, upper cognitive achievement foreigners will flock in for the chance of a life in white suburbia. Plan doesn’t hash out when they’ve been systematically making that lifestyle impossible.

It seems fair that a reasonable number of blacks should be admitted the United States most elite universities because the smartest blacks will eventually be the community leaders of the black community in America–the attorneys, doctors, politicians, celebrity journalists and broadcasters, actors, and so on.

The benefit of attending these universities is not so much a question of academic excellence, but also of making social contacts with other shakers and movers and future leaders.

Attending an elite university immediately gives people credibility. Even Ivy League drop outs like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg have enough credibility to get financial backing for their innovative ideas at least partly because they had that name on their resume.

Go to a political law school like Harvard or Yale, and it is very likely that you will get to know future presidents and senators and top political and corporate figures before anybody has heard of them. Decades later they may call on you for a trusted cabinet position.

You may even end up on the Supreme Court if you lick enough ass.

Could another factor be the coming ruling on affirmative action from the supreme court? This could be their last chance at pushing some more blacks onboard before that ship has sailed.

Of course they probably already have some schemes ready to let in more blacks even without any official affirmative action, maybe lending more weight to subjective factors like essays and interviews or making basketball their number one priority.

There’s survey data available on previous Harvard cohort’s demographics, political opinions, sexual orientations etc by the way:

https://features.thecrimson.com/2020/freshman-survey/makeup/
https://features.thecrimson.com/2020/senior-survey/after-harvard/

I wonder what proportion of Harvard’s black admits are children of bright Anglophone West African (Nigerian and Ghanaian) or Jamaican immigrant professionals, rather than black Americans of long time black American descent—bright black ghetto kids like Glenn Loury or Thomas Sowell once were.

There are only three countries that I know of that were so meticulous about parsing Race: Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, and the USA.

A useful fact to remind Good Whites of the company they are keeping.

Categorizing people this way has created a “white” identity where none previously existed. 50 years ago, if you asked people what they were

Revisionist nonsense. The entire project of colonialism in the 1800s was done under the banner of “the White Man’s Burden,” which referred to all the colonial powers, not just the Brits. Further, in the United States, some of our earliest laws refer to White men, in those terms, specifically, such as the 1791 Immigration Act.

Israel and China would like a word, to say nothing of the varnas of Hinduism.

Categorizing people this way has created a “white” identity where none previously existed. 50 years ago, if you asked people what they were, they’d say, German, or Irish, or Italian. No one would say, “I’m white.”

Why would you post something so obviously false. So verifiably false.

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person … may be admitted to become a citizen …

https://immigrationhistory.org/item/1790-nationality-act/

That was 231 years ago. Please use a thing called ‘Google’.

Who gives a rip what goes on at Harvard or any other elite “university”?

50% of high School students in America are white. At the top 50 Universities in the United States 42% of the students are White. We have been replaced at our top Universities. The data below is from 2019. The white population at these schools is lower today.

% of White Students at Best Universities
43% – Princeton
44% – Harvard
37% – Columbia
35% – MIT
46% – Yale
43% – Stanford
43% – University of Chicago
44% – Penn
29% – California Institute of Technology
38% – Johns Hopkins
48% – Northwestern
46% – Duke
49% – Dartmouth
42% – Brown
26% – UC Berkeley
50% – Vanderbilt
38% – Rice
39% – Cornell
27% – UCLA
54% – Georgetown
30% – Carnegie Mellon

In the not too distant future, the elite universities will become known as hysterically black colleges…

Lol. But grading on merit is sooo 20th century. Nobody flunks out of Harvard, and the median GPA at graduation is A-. Who is going to be the first professor to give blacks below-average marks? No one who wants to keep xir little sinecure. None of these affirmative action admits can be allowed to fail. (“Too black to fail.”) The racial deference conveyor will move them all along to graduation on time and on GPA budget.

Then the NYT will hail this disproportionate number of black Harvard graduates with A- GPAs as “proof” that blacks are everyone else’s intellectual equals and they were only heretofore held back by muh systemic racism!

No one would say, “I’m white.”

I woudn’t be so sure about that. More likely in the South, that was the identity, and in Chicago, New York, Detroit, etc., it was co-identity with one’s “nationality,” Irish, Italian, etc.

Smart people who don’t get into that school can go to Rice or Emory or some state school and get excellent educations without the sense of entitlement. We will all be better off

Categorizing people this way has created a “white” identity where none previously existed. 50 years ago, if you asked people what they were, they’d say, German, or Irish, or Italian. No one would say, “I’m white.”

I was “white” 50 years ago.

If the above was your experience you’re babbling about ethnic neighborhoods in the Northeast.

Across the width and breadth of America–cities, towns, the country side, suburbs–people simply thought they were “American” and if the racial thing was raised at all “white”. People might know their ethnic background, but they weren’t having some sort of big cow about it.

The experience of the depression, military service in the War (or the Cold War), the common TV culture, had created a generic “American” identity. It was a very pleasant time–except for the Vietnam thing. (The tribalist a*holes hadn’t really yet succeeded with their minoritarian wrecking.)

It’s sad now thinking back on it. Much less crowded. Much more pleasant. The girls were cute–much slimmer. Opportunity in abundance. Ok, there was smoking and still more pollution and your vinyl records could get scratched. (Nothing’s perfect.) But just a whole lot less minoritarian bullshit polluting the atmosphere. America was actually a nation.

That’s why it had to be destroyed.

So rather than be the call center manager or whatever they are cut out to be if they had gone to the U. of Arkansas, they feel they, as Harvard graduates, deserve to be Professors of Hair-Touching.

I would guess the general run of employers would want to see some sort of tertiary schooling among applicants to supervise the call center. I’m going to wager that very few would hold out for a degree from a state research university. A state college degree, a common-and-garden private college degree, or a community college degree would do.

The array of programs at state research universities vary, but they’re generally able to prepare people for the fully array of professional-managerial positions (though not every subset within them). Goldman Sachs or Google might insist on fancy private institutions or public ivies; 99.88% of the employed population is not working at either company. (We have a shirt-tail who is an associate at Jones, Day; his law degree is from a public institution which is somewhere around the 70th percentile in the US News ranking of law schools).

A larger concern is the Number of Whites attending our elementary and High Schools. Less then half the students at our High Schools are White.

Year – Whites enrollment in public schools
2000- 29 million students – 62% of students
2010 – 26 million students – 52%
2020 – 23 million students – 46%

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d19/tables/dt19_203.60.asp

Public-Private-Total students K- through 12th grade.
-23 M – 4 M — 27 M – White students
-27 M – 2 M — 29 M – Non-White

48% of US students in our Private and Public schools are white today. Universities are running out of whites students because our High Schools are getting low on the number of white students. Just wait a few years when just 43% of High School Students will be white and our Universities will be 40% White.

Could another factor be the coming ruling on affirmative action from the supreme court? This could be their last chance at pushing some more blacks onboard before that ship has sailed.

The Roberts “conservatives” are cowards. They won’t overturn anything.

Sigh…… very likely.

I come from an IT perspective where any job application requires Certifications (not degrees – A+, CCNA, at the most basic level)

AND,

They will likely give you additional testing on the spot. And those tests will be neither easy nor fun. I pity the people with STEM degrees, no Certs, and no experience, because they wont get hired for anything. It is great though to work in a sector that maintains standards.

I wouldn’t overly worry about the incompetent, outside of Government, doing much. Two things most businesses still do not like: lawsuits, and employees costing them money. I sense future Harvard grads doing a lot of window dressing.

Here is what the demographics of students in the U.S. schools look like

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2018/comm/classroom-diversity.html

However, the Ivy Leagues receive a massive number of international students and virtually all of those would be counted as not white for diversity purposes.

If so we would see waaaaay more Native Americans, Chief.

Related:

Stunning Stats Dept.: How many of the 1498 just admitted to Princeton are white male US citizens (or legal residents)? The number seems to be around 200 or less. https://t.co/XWGtrr6l3x How many of those are not 'legacy' admissions or atheletic recruits? Probably <100 (if any!)

— Mickey Kaus (@kausmickey) April 15, 2021

It’s a high-low coalition/conspiracy against the middle.

Your numbers aren’t even dealing with the Jewish issue.

White gentiles–i.e. the people who created and built America; whose genes and culture are why it is “nice”–are the most underrepresented large “population group” on elite campuses. That’s “diversity”.

My guess is that the Scots-Irish–who’ve stepped up to fight in America’s many wars–are the most under-represented ethnic group. Though it’s possible there’s some much smaller ethnic group that gets no love. Maybe Native Americans as the idea of “native” is very out of fashion with our “nation of immigrants” elite. But i’m guessing they are still quotaed in at some level.

And these racists wouldn’t let the Royal Couple get married:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/couple-mansion-wedding-photo-b1836978.html

Nixon, Ford, Reagan Bush 1&2 Trump did absolutely nothing against affirmative action. In fact, the Nixon Ford administration was the worst.

All conservatives care about is anti abortion for more blacks and browns entitled to affirmative action benefits Imagine!!! A Honduras primitive jungle Indian jumps from lowest on the Honduran caste ladder to number two of 18 in America simply by jumping over a fence.

Conservatives are also extremely active in the fight against ugly tattoos and dark haired girls giving their hair a pink purple green blue rinse.
Those are the vitally important issues for Whites facing genocide; tattoos and hair dye of complete strangers .

And STEM will likely be least affected.

The poz began to appear in university STEM education in the late 80s or early 90s.

There were plenty of set asides and totally unqualified individuals by the time I got there in the mid-90s.

Only 18%? Why not 100%? America’s elite universities are the greatest redoubt of privilege–racial, ethnic, economic–in the country; possibly in the world. Almost all of them date back to the time of slavery, and so must have benefited from that disreputable institution. Transforming Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc., into all-Black schools (even if only for a decade or two) would be a uniquely just form of reparations, which would genuinely enhance Black opportunity, repay a long history of discrimination, and draw the remedy from precisely those elements of current society that are linked to and benefited from the slavery regime.

Most encouraging of all, the institutions themselves, and their faculties, would certainly welcome such a transformation, since they are vociferous advocates for racial justice in the larger society, and have already affirmed the principle that considerations of social justice should outweigh those of a restricted understanding of “merit.”

I’m surprised that the elite universities have not come up with this idea on their own, but I’m glad to offer it free of charge. I would certainly be interested in seeing how they would argue against it.

A black Harvard grad gets his her it’s pick of fast track to 500K a year prestige jobs, that’s why .

Remember Condalezza Rice, former Secretary of State became provost of Stanford University at age 27. She didn’t have a Harvard degree. Her PHD in Russian studies was from nobody outside the metro area ever heard of University of Denver. She went straight from graduation to provost of Stanford. Not one week of applicable experience or applicable college courses or any kind of training or apprenticeship.

That’s what a degree from 4th rate university of Denver did for her. Imagine what a Harvard degree can do.

Doesn’t matter if people assume they got the Harvard degree and subsequent job prestige and money because if affirmative action or not. They have the guarantee of mega bucks jobs paid directorships for life.

One of the thousand and one reasons conservatives are despicable; poor, poor, pitiful blacks people; Whites they never met and never will might assume they got their degree because of affirmative action

Blacks absolutely, totally, do not, never ever, believe they got college admission, a job, a promotion, a business contract, anything because if affirmative action. They are the most grandiose, proud, arrogant highest self esteem people on the planet.

And sitting in the VP of nothing useful office, they really don’t care if you and I think they got the 500K a year job because of affirmative action.

China will not hand over its Engineering Schools to the Hindus in India….

In America, SUNY STONY BROOK was handed over to China’s Youth and India’s Youth even though the WW2 Vets paid for and built SUNY STONY BROOK with their own hands right after Nelson Rockefeller broke the ground with a shovel on the Old Ward Melville Estate when America was 90 percent NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICA….

Harvard is a no loan school.

Harvard (and other US elite universities) have two major distinguishing characteristics:

1. their students build social connections during study, so that’s big plus for their future careers. With bigger black quota, this will diminish in importance

2. their post-graduate studies are excellent. There will be no blacks there, especially in exact sciences, so things won’t change that much.

I’ve seen something like these demos before for that school. 20% are not straight. That’s the real scary aspect to the elite future. Broken, twisted people with gigantic egos… just what we need. The only silver lining is that most of them won’t reproduce.

OT:

Another story confirming that if you’re black and don’t want to be arrested, well, you can simply fail to comply with an order from police.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/25/virginia-trooper-fired-after-forcefully-arresting-black-man/

Virginia trooper fired after forcefully arresting black man during traffic stop

Video at link.

As a law-abiding white guy I always assumed that if I were to engage in even veiled or sarcastic back talk to a cop who pulled me over I could expect an ass-whoopin’ with no recourse against the cop except a complaint (which then makes you a target). Here we have some ghetto-looking black guy with Jheri curls repeatedly refusing to comply with police and the cop gets fired. Wow.

Please please google Bill Gates, his upper upper class very very very wealthy for generations in Seattle family,

his mothers friendship with western Vice President of IBM, family ultra ultra law firm, family bank

the decline of Boeing when Vietnam war ended, the destruction of Seattle economy when Boeing barely escaped total failure,

and the way Seattle WA state and federal government solved the problem, and restored the economy by giving trillions of dollars in tax exemptions, other subsidies

; actually paying companies to locate in Seattle and Kings County WA.

That Microsoft basically plagiarized other software

BTW, Microsoft still enjoys the government subsidies used to lure Gates back home from Texas to Seattle more than 40 years ago.

Zuckerberg, with the help of Harvard President Larry Summers stole Facebook from its inventors, fellow Harvard students the Vinklevoss twins.

This is great news – we’ll be on Mars soon.

Full Disclosure – I’ve never left the house & watch (((Hollywood))) movies all day.

So 13% does 18% in this case?
It’s not as bad as 13%/50% (homicide) or 13%/60% (TV commercials lol) but with an average IQ of 85 there still must be some very intense AA going on here, obviously to the detriment of White (and Asian) applicants.

The proportion of white, non-Hispanic gentiles who are not legacy admits is probably infinitesimal at this point at most of these schools.

Recall that the Ivy League schools do not offer merit-based scholarships, but do award generous “need based” aid packages which favor applicants from low net worth families over solidly middle class families. If your middle class family’s largest asset is the family home, are your parents supposed to sell it? You’re not eligible for much “need based” aid, even if you need it to go to the school. You can’t even overcome the economic burden by scoring perfect SAT scores and with a perfect GPA by earning merit-based scholarships. Their system is tailor made to reproduce their legacies at the top end of the social pile, while introducing cherry picked, affirmative action admits from the lower classes and all but excluding the children of the white middle class from the future elite ruling class. A microcosm of the high-low coalition/conspiracy against the middle.

I’ve surmised for a while that the current ruling class high-low coalition against the middle probably has its genesis in these institutions in which the often middling scions of the then extant ruling class are socialized together with the affirmative action admits, and the glue which keeps them together as a cognizable class is the conspiracy against the middle.

whatever Harvard used to be is dead

But then you could have said that in 1850 because Harvard used to be a divinity school. In truth, the Harvard of the present is only interested in about 10% of their graduating class who will someday get a Wikipedia article or found a hedge fund: all those students submitted their SAT scores.

I don’t think Harvard’s yield of high achievers will diminish. What will diminish is Harvard’s yield of modestly accomplished white professionals (doctors in concierge medicine, mid/high corporate officers, Home Depot franchise owners) with a summer beach house and a sail boat.

It’s hard to imagine that test scores for White and Asian applicants to the Ivies are anything but “optional”.

If a White or Asian applicant not slotted as a legacy, political or athletic set-aside does not submit test scores they are almost surely labeled “non-competitive” (against other White and Asians who did submit scores) and rejected.

A related tactic is the lower ranking colleges and universities also dropping test requirements but for economic rather than Woke reasons. They are all scrambling to maintain enrollment targets. What easier way than to reduce admission standards? By dropping the test requirement with the subsequent results that are then publicly reported in aggregate, not requiring the tests means not publishing the results which means camouflaging reduced admission standards.

For those schools, it’s a revenue thing…

That was definitely true for Koreans in Jilin province. There even were Korean language schools and a university. Word is they’re scaling back to a Han centric system there; as elsewhere.

The majority of the Blacks attending Our top schools are actually foreigners or have immigrant parents. Affirmative action for Blacks mostly helps foreigners and mulattos.
https://harvardmagazine.com/2004/09/roots-and-race.html

This is already the case.

If 18% of the admission offers this year are to Blacks and the enrolment rate by Blacks is higher than for other groups then the Black percentage of the enrolling class could be above 18%.

It is an interesting experiment.

The best outcome would be that these institutions, which were founded by and for gentile whites, would have classes of 100% gentile whites.

The second best outcome would be a meritocracy.

The third best outcome would be that they go full retard on the race issue so that they destroy their own credibility.

The worst outcome is what we have now, where they maintain their credibility while active and blatantly discriminating.

So, things are improving!

I read somewhere that Brandeis University was founded to be the Harvard of the Jews but then Harvard became the Harvard of the Jews . Now can we look forward to Harvard becoming Howard U. ?

I dunno, is it hard to get a Harvard degree once you’re in? From what I’ve heard it’s not.

I would assume Harvard will over time experience progressive brand dilution, like universities with open admissions.

The only real reason someone would benefit from going to the Ivy League as an undergraduate is if they wanted a career in investment banking or management consulting, as those firms in the past have focused on recruiting from a handful of schools. While those jobs pay extremely well, personally, I really, really would not have wanted that life. Aside from being intrinsically boring, and feeling extremely pointless, those jobs are also quite cutthroat and unstable.

If you are going to professional school, a good MCAT, LSAT, or GRE, and high GPA from a reasonably good school will serve you just fine. As far as I know (and I have been out of the loop for a very long time now) there isn’t any separate premium attached to going to the HYPS. In fact everything else equal you may be better off not going to HYPS as some of these places don’t want to be wall to wall with only HYPS grads.

If you are going into the traditional engineering fields (aerospace, mechanical, chemical, electrical, etc.) the Ivy League generally is about the same level or below the best state schools. If you are going to CS/tech/silicon valley while it may help you get a foot in the door startups tend to be pretty brutal meritocracies and so in the end your undergrad degree matters little after your first few months.

It also probably helps to land a job in the Washington bureaucracy somewhere, if you like that sort of thing. But frankly I think that the Ivy League is a gateway to undesirable careers and unaffordable family formation in unlivable coastal cities.

However, if being smart is important to your self image, it’s not socially acceptable to go around telling people your SAT score, but you can mention where you went to school. So there’s that.

What % are mixed race claiming Black? (Obama)
What % are not the descendants of Afro-American slaves? (Obama, again)

Steve this guys story might make being trapped in your closet seem not so bad . Unfortunately he doesn’t have the substack option .

and an update :

Useful data. It illustrates that the goal of college administrators is to achieve equity, which is equality of outcome rather than opportunity. They are trying to balance admissions so that the representation of any ethnicity is the same as the percentage in the general high school population, regardless of their relative qualifications. They seem to be able to get surprisingly close despite the challenges in precisely controlling the process without making it too obvious what you are doing.
– The most prestigious schools including the Ivys draw from more of a nation-wide base where White kids are slightly less than half of the population, so you get slightly less than half White enrollment as you would expect from a selection system based on equal outcome rather than merit. Blacks are slightly above the national average of the population because you need more admitted in order to even come close to that percentage actually graduating. However, these schools produce the people who will comprise the ruling class so they admit disproportionately large numbers of Jews to be trained as our future rulers and actively try to block potential Asian competitors for those roles. that keeps up the number of students classified as White.
– California school age children are now about 18% White, and kids in flyover country aspire more to Harvard than to UCLA. There is more reliance on instate admissions so as you would expect the percentages of White students at UCLA and Berkeley are only about half that of Harvard. Still about 25% of the students, but again, it isn’t easy to fine tune the process enough to match that 18% number.
– Asians are extremely competitive in academics so their relatively small percentage in the population is over represented in colleges, even with schools actively trying to keep their numbers down, and that also makes it hard to achieve an exact balance in admissions equity. A few years ago someone looked at the grades and test scores of UCLA applicants and calculated if admissions were based purely on academic performance the school would be 75% Asian.

One of the ironies of this is that such policies should be the death-knell for historically black colleges; an offer from Harvard would be awfully tempting, and there goes another mulatto who could do well at Morehouse.

There are virtually no blacks who can perform at anything resembling the college level. But there are a few ‘blacks’; your Eric Holders, your Obamas. But if all these now go to Harvard et al, what’s left for Morehouse?

As so often, what we think we’re doing and what we’re actually doing are two different things. Under Jim Crow, blacks slowly built up a complete culture of sorts; colleges, a business community, etc. Usually it was actually mulattos and quadroons; ‘blacks’ rather than blacks, but it existed, and it created a black community. One can see it in the sections of I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings set in Arkansas and in Faulkner’s The Sound and the Fury.

One of the effect of all our attempts at ‘black uplift’ over the last eighty years — of which the no SAT colleges admissions is just the latest example — has been to effectively destroy all that.

And in the end, of course, whites, Asians, and Hispanics are going to finally reject blacks. It’s going to be back to Jim Crow: separate, and the ‘equal’ bit is up to you. And then where will blacks be? Should they thank us for the disappearance of black colleges, of the departure of the black tradesman?

UC Berkeley and UCLA are high American Asian because CA.

Top tier technical schools of MIT, CIT, Carnegie Mellon also lots of Asians, but many are foreign. I’m most sure of that re MIT. Remember reading about a top Chinese expert in AI giving a talk at MIT all in Mandarin to an overflow audience.

Now this doesn’t mean that 18% of Harvard’s freshman class will be black because Stanford, Yale, and Princeton will also have accepted many of the same applicants.

The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education (JBHE, also see Jack D’s link to another of their articles above) is a good source for looking at questions like this. My calculations based on the class of 2023 below indicate the enrolled class should be about 14.8% black. Looking at the true 2020 (current, class of 2024) numbers (I did not see these at first, leaving my calculations below because I think the methodology is worth saving) below I see 13.9%.

The JBHE has a series of articles:

The State of Black Student Freshman Enrollments at the Nation’s Highest-Ranked Colleges and Universities

which looks at admissions statistics for “the nation’s leading liberal arts colleges.” These articles provide an annual look at Total Applicants, Total Accepted, Percent Accepted, Black Applicants, Blacks Accepted, % Blacks Accepted, Blacks Enrolled, Black Yield, and Black % of Class (unfortunately missing overall yield rate for comparison, but that can usually be found elsewhere, or computed from the other fields).

Unfortunately, as we get closer and closer to The Current Year the statistics become sparser (potential hatefacts?).

Here is their February 2020 article covering Fall of 2019 admissions for the class of 2023.
https://www.jbhe.com/2020/02/black-first-year-students-at-nations-leading-research-universities-2019

Sadly, the only statistic for blacks given by Harvard is the 236 enrolled making up 14.3% of the class (they seem very proud of that). But back computing that still allows us to calculate 236 / 14.3% = 1650 total students enrolled giving a 1650 / 2009 = 82% overall yield rate. Historically Harvard and MIT have been fairly close in black yield rate (MIT 67.5% in 2019). Using those numbers and the 18% of admittees number that would give something like an 85% non-black yield rate resulting in a class that is something like 18% * 67.5% / (18% * 67.5% + 82% * 85%) = 14.8% blacks enrolled. Which is only a bit more than the 14.3% of 2019.

Other articles (year is Fall admissions so above article would be 2019). They claim the survey is annual, but I was unable to find a number of years. Can anyone help? It is odd how Obama’s first term is what is missing.

2020 (I used 2019 above because this did not appear in my first search): https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2020
Redoing some calculations we see class size of 265 / 13.9% = 1906 (so substantially larger than last year) with an overall yield rate of 96.2% (wow, did I make a mistake somewhere?). So Harvard accepted 29 fewer people and got a 256 person larger class. COVID-19 really did a number on college admissions.

2018 https://www.jbhe.com/2019/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2018/
2017 https://www.jbhe.com/2018/01/black-first-year-students-at-nations-leading-research-universities/
2016 https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2016/
2015 https://www.jbhe.com/2016/01/black-first-year-students-at-leading-research-universities/
2014 (this is a different group of universities) https://www.jbhe.com/2014/12/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-liberal-arts-colleges/
2013 https://www.jbhe.com/2013/11/jbhe-annual-survey-black-first-year-students-at-nations-leading-research-universities
2012 https://www.jbhe.com/2012/12/jbhe-annual-survey-black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2012

2008 https://www.jbhe.com/features/61_enrollments.html
2007 https://www.jbhe.com/features/57_freshmen.html

Be sure to note the footnote to the table data. Here is the expanded version from the 2019 text.

Caution: Some universities that participate in our survey choose to adhere to Department of Education guidelines and report figures for African American students only and do not include African, biracial, or multiracial students in the figures reported to JBHE. These institutions are indicated by an asterisk in the accompanying table. Undoubtedly, the percentage of Black students at these research universities would be higher – sometimes significantly so – if they included African, biracial, and multiracial students.

I suspect the following observation is part of what is driving the lack of data provided. Cal is a notable outlier with a lower acceptance rate for blacks than overall.

At seven of the nine universities that supplied acceptance rate data to JBHE, the Black student acceptance rate was higher than the acceptance rate for all students. In the past the differences in acceptance rates at some universities were quite large. But now, the differences are usually very narrow. Again, this may reflect a concern over the threat of litigation if there is a perception that a particular racial or ethnic group is receiving an edge in the admissions process.

She also said she believed that protests kindled by the death of George Floyd had caught the attention of admissions officers, inspiring some to draft essay questions aimed at eliciting students’ thoughts on racial justice and the value of diversity.

The fact that the name of that drug-addict, low-life f**k-up is invoked as some kind of holy incantation is evidence that this society is dead. If they make such losers into their saints, they invite derision and contempt.

Useful data. It illustrates that the goal of college administrators is to achieve equity, which is equality of outcome rather than opportunity. They are trying to balance admissions so that the representation of any ethnicity is the same as the percentage in the general high school population, regardless of their relative qualifications.

No, they are not, which should be obvious. Jews and Asians are wildly overrepresented by that metric, while whites are admitted at about 40% of their share of the general high scho0ol populations.

What do you think Steve ?

> …the goal of college administrators is to achieve equity… They are trying to balance admissions so that the representation of any ethnicity is the same as the percentage in the general high school population, regardless of their relative qualifications.

As has been oft-discussed, it matters how the teams are defined. Results based on White, Black, Hispanic, Asian will look very different if the categories are revised to Gentile/Jewish, ADOS/ex-US, Mistizo/Conquistador, Fancy/Jungle. Elites are very uninterested (and very not-disinterested) in thinking about those latter bins.

I used to find it strange that American Descendents of Slaves would root for Igbos and recent Carribean immigrants, as much as for any other black.

Go Coalition of the Fringes! Crush Team CivNat!

However, if being smart is important to your self image, it’s not socially acceptable to go around telling people your SAT score, but you can mention where you went to school. So there’s that.

I get the feeling Steve Sailer has a deep-seated inferiority complex about not being able to go to an Ivy League school or an elite college in the Northeast.

If you view yourself as a first-rate mind but then reveal that you went to a less-than-elite college it automatically diminishes you in the eyes of others. In which case if you really are smart it’d be better to have not even gone to college (George Bernard Shaw, Agatha Christie, Gore Vidal, Mark Steyn, et al.).

In a year or two we’ll be deluged with articles about RACISM AT THE IVY LEAGUES because this wave of black admittees will be struggling with the academics. Of course, the recommendations will be the usual platter of: hiring more DIE staffers, suspicion of professors who grade impartially, ending penalties for turning work in late, and “decolonizing the curriculum” to spend less time on old white authors and more time on tacos, black hair, and Emmett Till.

Tariq Nasheed posts video of White employee at Holiday Inn having a nervous breakdown.

https://www.twitter.com/seaislandsoul/status/1386484767831564289

No, they are not, which should be obvious. Jews and Asians are wildly overrepresented by that metric, while whites are admitted at about 40% of their share of the general high scho0ol populations.

Jews are as much Asian (middle eastern) as they are White. They should be in the Asian category or have their own classification.

Who cares? How does this hurt anything? I can see positives.

It creates more mediocre “elites” who are a part of future government and business leadership.

More Valerie Jarretts. More Susan Rices. More Barry Obamas.

People who claim to be what they are not, and promise things they cannot deliver. But who cannot be demoted or even questioned. Meanwhile competent white people will be shoved further to the back of the bus, because “equity”.

See anything positive about that?

Not off topic:

Steve

Leonard Dickson….a Native White Texan and the father of Abstract Algebra in America…took a very deep interest in the mathematical education of the the Native Born White American returning WW1 Vets back in the day. He created a course of study to develop NATIVE BORN WHITE MALE TALENT in mathematics…..How many Hindus and Chinese were in America at the time? There is a reason why a 90 percent demographically Native Born White America placed two White Males on the moon in 1969 and 10 more after that……. because of long-term thinking White Men such as Leonard Dickson….

the real question is how many accept. most of them i would guess. so if offers are at 18%, i would figure the incoming class at 15%.

Harvard is still limiting them though. why not offer 50% of seats to africans? then Harvard could get like 45% of the incoming class to be africans.

unless this is some kind of demographics of the general population thing. where Harvard could argue that making the classes 50% africans is ‘not what America looks like.’

but then they’d be stuck having to explain why there aren’t more mexicans than africans in every class from now on. and why asians aren’t limited to like 8% of the class.

Fun Fact:

After his ejection by the voters of Bristol (UK) in the 1983 General Election, the left wing firebrand MP, Tony Benn, had a brief interregnum before being selected by the Chesterfield Labour Party as their successful candidate in a by-election in the following year.

During the interregnum, the rather unlikely – and to be quite frank, milquetoast, – Benn soundalike lefty Labour MP, Michael Meacher, was famously described by the UK Waggish classes as “Benn’s Vicar On Earth”.

At Harvard, the proportion of admitted students who are Black jumped to 18 percent from 14.8 percent last year.

Uh oh. As just about every American instinctively knows, once the number of blacks in a place (neighborhood, school, public place) reaches a certain concentration, things start to go bad very quickly. 5-10%: no big deal, maybe a little loud music and a general sense of unease; 15%: things start to get a little scary – loud music is everywhere, loud verbal (but not physical) arguments start to break out, a little vandalism; 20%: fistfights, vandalism, screaming, the beginnings of a certain amount of NSFW behavior by black women.

18% is a dangerous number. Harvard must be really hoping that its black students are well-behaved. Harvard may be right, but what about their friends and relatives when they come to visit? Are they planning to have police in riot gear during Homecoming?

In fact, ADOS root for Igbos, Yorubas, Caribbean immigrants, mulattoes. They voted for Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, etc. Harvard knows but pretends they are all the same.

True, and Arabs, Iranians, North Africans etc… are still counted as White.
but Mestizos are still less than half the Hispanics at the top Schools. Most of the Hispanics at these top schools are White , like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. While half the Hispanics in America are mestizos from Mexico. About 10% of High School graduates last year were Mexican Mestizos , yet the top schools are probably just 3% Mexican-Americans.

The bursar (and the president and board) at Harvard doesn’t care if the funds are ultimately traceable to defaulted student loan debt.

Thinking about this some more…

At Harvard, the proportion of admitted students who are Black jumped to 18 percent from 14.8 percent last year.

I’m wondering if this is an attempt to preempt the apparent reality that the percentage of blacks enrolled appears to have decreased this year. Based on the JBHE articles the black % of class went from 14.3% to 13.9%.
https://www.jbhe.com/2020/02/black-first-year-students-at-nations-leading-research-universities-2019/
https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2020/

From the calculations in my earlier comment this seems due to the exceptionally high overall yield rate this year. The total number of blacks actually increased from 236 to 265. It’s just that the class size increased even more. But who can expect the woke to understand subtleties like that.

P.S. This 2018 Boston Globe article is worth a look (no link since I don’t like long cryptic alphanumeric strings, too easy to use as trackers).
At Harvard, significantly more black students are admitted than enrolled
They mention black yield rates of around 75% and also note this:

In fact, according to the most recent federal data available, just 8 percent of Harvard’s undergraduates are black and just over 9 percent of the incoming freshmen last year were black.

Which does not make sense given the JBHE 13.2% black % of first year class for Fall 2017 admissions.
https://www.jbhe.com/2018/01/black-first-year-students-at-nations-leading-research-universities/

I think people are playing games with the definition of black to promote critical vs. congratulatory narratives. Along the lines of this note from the previous link.

Before we continue with the results, it is important to mention how the U.S. Department of Education collects data on the race of undergraduates. Before a change was made several years ago, students who reported more than one race (including African American) were included in the figures for Black students. This is no longer the case. Thus, students who self-identify as biracial or multiracial with some level of African heritage are no longer classified as Black by the Department of Education.

It is important to be sure everyone is comparing apples to apples.

TL;DR Learn to code.

No offense, but this advice is a cope.

The same pattern that is occurring at Harvard, occurs within all Top 50 or so schools for regional hiring.

Intelligent middle-class white kids are either priced out or not admitted. They go to schools where the degree is a one-way street towards working in a hotel lobby or equivalent. Even a computer science degree with a top GPA will now struggle to get on the radar screen for major employers.

As for other engineering degrees, it’s a one-way street to working at the water treatment plant or the local co-op.

Regional hiring markets with goodish schools can be even more brutal. Lots of mediocre Emory or Northwestern grads believe their alumni base walks on water.

The advice for other professional grad schools has led to many, many kids having their lives financially ruined.

The system — as it stands now — is turning middle class whites into helots.

In the South, there was White and there was White trash.

While the broad university gender (!) ratio is roughly 60% female/40% male, at Harvard it is very close to 50/50 for undergrads. Females with the talent (!) to be admitted and stay at Harvard will never be surrounded by more suitable mates that match their intellectual and accomplishment potential.

Females at Harvard that are Black, Hispanic, or Asian are now placed in a target-rich environment. As others have noted, foreign-born Nigerians, east Asians, and middle-eastern Asians provide the same ‘value’ to the institutions for their Diversity count. Might the U.S. start to see a greater number of racially-blended power couples, and progeny? This will make the elites feel good, and that is what matters. As Steve Sailer recently noted, “look at the good they do!”

Fyi, Steve, I do not donate *specifically* because of how obnoxious you are about spamming.

Glenn Greenwald asks for money but when I click on one of his articles he’s not tricking me into reading a “fundraiser” screed

Harvard is completely free if your family makes less than 65k per year. Only families who make over 150k a year are expected to pay full tuition. A $40 billion endowment apparently goes a long way.

No one here cares about the Oscars (rightly). But something about it came up in my feed so I clicked. They switched the Best Actor category to last because everyone was sure Chadwick Boseman would win.

Anthony Hopkins won, at 83.

Racism!

I doubt that most of them will flunk or drop out, since there are plenty of liberal arts and identity studies departments for them to get degrees in. Besides, the main purpose of Ivy League schools is for hobnobbing and networking, and a lot of the black Harvard admits will probably end up at Goldman. An Ivy League degree is merely a barrier to entry to Wall Street, not a symbol of academic competency. You don’t need to be a math wizard to sell stocks. Indeed, selling is one of those things that blacks bat way above their IQ level on.

Most Harvard undergrads are on means-tested scholarships already I thought?

Despite Larry Summers epic mishandling of Harvard’s finances they still aren’t hurting for money, it doesn’t really cost very much to have a lot of students not paying either, the main costs are all fixed, they don’t really scale with the number of students.

The real value in a Harvard degree are the doors it opens to the old boys network of finance where, unless you’re an underpaid quant, you don’t need anything more than above average intelligence to do your job and the rest is just office politics.

Now, if the kinds of people getting Harvard degrees changes too fast, will that mean finance recruits elsewhere because that’s where the CEOs and HR peoples children are going? Be interesting to see the proportion of Harvard grads showing up at Goldman etc over time.

Also am I the only one amazed by the 27% Asian metric? How high will it go? And if roughly half the white category is Jewish, there doesn’t seem to be much left of America’s WASPs at the WASPiest place on Earth.

So if they increase the Blacks, and increase the Asians, this means that some groups will have to see their numbers decrease. Which groups will it be. The Jews? I hear that anti-semitism is quite rampant, everywhere.

Exactly. This seems to point quite clearly to the establishment of a new elite, one with very few whites.

Couldn’t a case for disparate impact be made here? It’s really sad and pathetic that whites have no infrastructure in place for self-preservation.

So if they increase the Blacks, and increase the Asians, this means that some groups will have to see their numbers decrease. Which groups will it be. The Jews? I hear that anti-semitism is quite rampant, everywhere.

Exactly. This seems to point quite clearly to the establishment of a new elite, one with very few whites.

Couldn’t a case for disparate impact be made here?

I call this the Not So Great Reset. For the 30 years I’ve been getting paid to write, I’ve been pointing out liberal elite hypocrisy. For example, we are told that IQ is fringe pseudoscience, but the Ivy League and Silicon Valley are obsessed with getting high IQ people.

And these hypocritical policies have been wildly successful. Several tech firms are worth over a trillion dollars and Harvard’s endowment is over $40 billion.

Harvard’s prestige has never been based on IQ and endowment size. Those are incidental.

Its prestige is based on being a feeder institution for the upper ranks of the professional and managerial class. Many of these positions are highly paid, such as those in law and finance, but many in areas like media, journalism, politics, etc. are not very well paid. What they all are, however, are high powered positions that effectively govern the country.

Harvard could admit students strictly based on IQ or wealth, but its prestige would drop if its ability to be a feeder for the professional/managerial class declined.

It’s clear that there is some sort of consensus among this professional/managerial class and its gatekeepers that blacks are to be significantly overrepresented in their ranks, and that black issues and interests are to be a major priority dwarfing others. Harvard, in order to maintain its status, has to respond to this accordingly by admitting lots of blacks who are going to be preferentially promoted into the professional/managerial class.

Using IQ distributions is a very poor approach because the mean values are somewhat fuzzy and disputed, the curves often aren’t Gaussian

Black performance relative to white performance seem to fit a predicted curve very nicely on various tests and exams:
Source: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/g.htm

Adjusted parameter values yielded a mean white-black difference of 1.09 SD equivalent to 16 IQ points in favor of whites and a variance ratio (B/W) of 0.888.

Anecdotally speaking, this year’s college admissions have been a disaster for Asian and white kids at elite schools. Between the pandemic meaning a lot of last year’s freshman class deferred until this year and the Great Awokening-driven de-emphasis on test scores making it much easier for admissions officers to put a thumb on the scale and get their desired demographic outcomes, it’s been a wipeout. There have been cases of Asian and white kids with straight As and 1500 plus SAT scores not even getting into the UC system, for example.

hysterically black colleges

That is too good not to steal. Thank you in advance, usNthem.

I would imagine most of the “black” students are Nigerians or the like.

OT
I hadn’t realized the Oscars happened until now stumbling across Kurt Schlichter’s perfect headline, “The Oscars Are Nothing.” But iSteve is normally pretty interested in show business and there’s been no post. When you lose Steve, Kurt is right.
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If SNL did comedy and was aware of right wing media, there are a number of sketches that write themselves (“DOCtor SeBAStian GORka orders a PIZza”). One would be this family Christian movie review service which tolerates all kind of mainstream garbage in hopes of staying relevant. “While it does have many admirable themes, the scat scene came out of nowhere, the brutal alleyway beating was very graphic, and the explicit endorsement of Satan worship struck me as inappropriate in a children’s film, so I’m only giving this two out of five stars for family friendliness.”

Whites are distinctly under-represented at the top 50 Universities.It is clear that the Ivy league and the other top schools are discriminating against Whites.

While 50% of High Schools students are non-white, Blacks and Hispanics have lower graduation rates than whites. The Graduation class of 2020 was still 52% White. Thus 52% of University students at the top schools should be white. Yet the top schools are just 43% white. The Number of Asians at the top schools is more than triple their representation among our High School graduates. 7% of the high school class of 2020 were Asian, yet 24% of the students at the top schools are Asian. 12% of the class of 2020 was Black, yet Harvard is approaching 18% Black students (50% higher than to be expected, even if Blacks had similar aptitude as whites)

If the schools want equality of outcome then the Ivy league schools would be: 52% White, 7% Asian, 12% Black, 22% Hispanic….. It is legal to discriminate against Asians, there is nothing stopping the Ivy League colleges from having a student body which reflects the demographics of our High School graduating class of 2021

Hmm, why did my http picture-link turn into a broken https link? Some sort of security feature gone wrong?
I’ll give it another go:

http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/intelfig4.gif

Someone help me out. I recall report from the early ’00s which showed one-half to two-thirds of students classified as Black at Ivy Leagues were foreign nationals, not African-American.

Recall reading, but Google search turns up nothing

Good. The professors at Harvard are so wonderful that they’ll take the challenge. These professors have been hectoring us for so long about diversity. It’s great to see them experiencing it.

For the class of 2024 (entering fall 2020), Stanford accepted 29% Asian, 25% white. This could be an anomaly as 378 kids (out of 1700) took a gap year, and a large proportion are probably white. Many recruited athletes chose to take a gap year for 2020-21 due to Covid, and most recruited athletes in elite colleges are white. Meanwhile, Stanford accepted 258 kids off their waitlist, a record as they usually accept less than 15. For this cohort, women also far outnumbered men, leading me to think many of the spots were offered to Asian females off the waitlist.

Stanford also takes in 17% or more Hispanics each year. UC Berkeley recently announced their racial quota – minimum 25% Hispanic by 2027.

My guess is within 5 years elite college demo will look like this:
20% black
25% hispanic
12% International
2% Other
21% Asian
20% White

In the late 60s and early 70s when some states first promiscuously admitted underqualified affirmative action students, a lot of those admits had their self-esteem crushed simply because they were underqualified and could not cope. They would commiserate and the face-saving, self-saving solution was to blame racism. That’s how you get constructs like math is racist (previously a tasteless racist joke, and now a socially enforced platitude), and a small number of such students fueled black nationalist violence.

My friend served on a prestige state university’s admissions committee many years ago, defining policy, not admitting students. The old black professor on the committee opposed goodwhites about underqualified admits. He said it was too hard on a young person to count as a scalp in minority headcount but be thrown into classes where they would barely learn and likely fail. That if you wanted such admits you had to be candidly selective, arrange remedial courses and counseling, and take other steps to increase the students’ chances for actual success at learning.

The woke strategy today is to blame knowledge itself.

Harvard’s new admissions policy will pump up “antiracism” another magnitude as underqualified students encounter the curriculum, falter, and have no other choice but to blame Harvard and its storehouse of knowledge as fundamentally racist (q.v. Michelle Obama, Princeton grad). It won’t be as stark at Harvard because there will be some who are magnificently talented, and otherwise the Harvard degree can always land a remunerative HR wokesperson VP position. But the further down the prestige ladder of universities, the harsher the effect. Most other woke policies will have the same perverse consequences, I predict.
 

I’d be surprised if the average IQ at Harvard is 130. From what I’ve read, the IQ needed to be “successful” in the traditional sense is 120. Once you get much above that (say 130-135), interests start to get more abstract and less interested in the traditional path to success.

I could see some IQ-weighted departments like science, engineering, philosophy having higher IQs. But, having worked with may high level corporate leaders/finance types, I’d be very surprised if the average undergrad at Harvard has a 130 IQ, especially given the weighting towards softer areas.

Meanwhile in France:

Macron can’t ignore furious generals’ warning that terror attacks & ‘Islamist hordes’ are pushing France towards civil war

They make no bones about it. “France is disintegrating,” 20 retired generals and another 80 officers wrote in a letter published by Valeurs Actuelles magazine.

“Disintegrating with the Islamists of the hordes of the banlieue who are detaching swathes of the nation and turning them into territory subject to dogmas contrary to our constitution,” they continued.

“It is no longer time to procrastinate, otherwise tomorrow the civil war will put an end to this growing chaos, and the deaths, for which you will bear the responsibility, will number in the thousands.”

Predictably, high-grade bullshit peanut butter with globalism chunks is immediately applied to that particular white bread:

… more than defence minister Florence Parly was prepared to do, preferring to attack Le Pen over her apparent attempt to politicise the military.

“Wanting to politicise the armies is to weaken France,” the minister scolded. “Shame on those who, for personal interest, weaken France. The army of the Republic is at the service of the nation. And no one else.”

Missing the subject accidentally on purpose.

It wasn’t just Le Pen she was pointing her finger at either. The grumpy generals were the prime target: “20 irresponsible retired generals who represent only themselves,” she said. “Who are these retired generals who claim to defend France as they fan the flames of hatred? Who are these retired generals who claim to fight the ‘disintegration’ of France by threatening a civil war?”

J’ACCUSE! No, wait, their names are the bottom of the letter M’dam.

The defence minister chose to shoot the messenger. However, with the body count of terrorist victims continuing to rise and the French government struggling to win the public’s faith over the way it deals with radical Islamism, maybe Mme Parly should have chosen a more conciliatory approach.

Malaysia and India also have complex Affirmative Action regimes.

An Indian State has this system:

Maharashtra

Scheduled Castes (SC) (13%)
Scheduled Tribes (ST) (7%)
Other Backward Classes (OBC) (19%)
Special Backward Classes (SBC) (2%)
Socially and economically backward class (SEBC – Maratha) (13%)
Economically Weaker Section (EWS) (10%)
Nomadic Tribes – A (Vimukta jati) (3%)
Nomadic Tribes – B (2.5%)
Nomadic Tribes – C (Dhangar) (3.5%)
Nomadic Tribes – D (Vanjari) (2%)

The only real reason someone would benefit from going to the Ivy League as an undergraduate is if they wanted a career in investment banking or management consulting, as those firms in the past have focused on recruiting from a handful of schools. While those jobs pay extremely well, personally, I really, really would not have wanted that life. Aside from being intrinsically boring, and feeling extremely pointless, those jobs are also quite cutthroat and unstable.

I think once you eliminate the Obama type mulattoes raised by their white mothers and the West Africans and the Caribbean blacks (most of whom are also mulatto) and the recruited athletes, the number of ADOS blacks is (or was) very small.

The other day my son had occasion to meet an ADOS black who works in a policy position in the White House and who was a Democrat Party operative during the campaign. My son said that this guy was straight up developmentally challenged. Not like figuratively speaking retarded but ACTUALLY retarded. Idiocracy, we are here!

Why the 140 IQ threshold? Jared Kusher seems at least 240. Didn’t he run his father-in-law reelection campaign? Didn’t he pacify Palestine?

Thats just normal black. Most blacks would ride the short bus if they were White.

And that is the thing people miss about this policy. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford are the ENA of America. The ENA institutes in France educate and promote the elite who run things. Macron was a graduate, so too all the rest including even I think De Gaulle. They are called the ENArchs and here its HYPS, as detailed by Charles Murray in Coming Apart. The rulers of media, government, law, ngos, Wall street, and the Fortune 500 CEOs and other high executives all live in the same 10 zip codes and went to the same five schools.

Now image all of those being black: Nipsey Hustle is the CEO of Ford, Joey Bada$$ is the President, and Cardi B is your state’s Senator.

Not only will smart White guys be locked out of power and advancement forever, but nothing will be run at any level but African by such a leadership. Ike understood that in the struggle with Communist Russia getting smart White guys from the heartland on board and productive, and also invested, was critical to not just advancing past initial Russian technological superiority in missiles but also to keep that critical center of gravity for not against the regime. Now its the reverse.

People like Cardi B or even Obama don’t offer much in the way of leadership ability. They are African levels of talent. Turning everything black has consequences. Among it, the death really of America. There is no more America. Just a place on a map fought over by everyone in the world.

Categorizing people this way has created a “white” identity where none previously existed. 50 years ago,

You’re either trolling, or you’ve internalized the rhetoric of your enemy. The idea that “White” is somehow not a legitimate category in the US is just the first step of “eradicating Whiteness” and then, of course, eradicating Whites.
I tried tracing my roots back along each branch to the original ancestor on each line that had first come to the US. I traced it back to 7 different nationalities, and some lines I lost the trail, so could be more. I also have had no living relatives who were born in another country and have no idea who any of my relatives in those “old countries” are, so I have no connection to any of them.
As others have pointed out, there are some ethnic White neighborhoods where the people have just one or two nationalities, but the vast majority of White Americans have multiple backgrounds, and, more importantly, have no real connection to those other countries where their relatives came from.
Don’t internalize the hate that your enemies are spewing. Be White, stand up for White!

Ed, the Univesity at Buffalo has lots of students from China, as does the California University system, especially Berkeley. America is educating China’s best and brightest at a great saving to China.

How many white working class kids were admitted? To paraphrase The Bard ” let me count my fingers.”

By the way, do they even TEACH Shakespeare anymore?

Because when you meet a black Harvard graduate, you’ll assume they didn’t deserve their degree.

OK, you are just a troll. I regret responding in earnest to your earlier post. GTFO!

We have all seen this movie before. So how many of these BLM riot boosted blacks 18% are foreign that have zero slavery heritage. That are immigration products so can stick it (where the sun don’t shine) as far as their claims of racism. They or parents came here of their volition because their homeland sucks.

Our slavery derived blacks endured
Now look at the cure
Harvard taking in foreign blacks by the score
To ace out the other woke Ivy U whores
To get them all precious black quotas in
Harvard will sell their granny and commit any sin
On this they will be choosers.
With YT marked down as chumps and as losers

OT: This years Oscars had record low viewership. Even lower than when Jimmy Kimmel tried to host it.

Can’t help but wonder what it was like for the celebs traveling to Union Station as they drove through the wretched, stinking homeless hell surrounding the station.

Police gave notice to the homeless to clear the area, but didn’t give the homeless much time to pack their stuff. However, police had significant leverage by threatening the homeless that they’d call in all outstanding warrants. Many, many homeless folks are equipped with outstanding warrants for other misdeeds, so that got a lot of them to get jumping before the deadline.

Seems to me the Mayor’s major error was to reduce homelessness to a matter of a petty social violation of poor people camping. That’s the only challenge in “being homeless” in L.A. so many folks who have other, better options, freely choose to do it.

That is, if we created auxiliary “jails” ie tents in relatively isolated areas, which allowed homeless people to be incarcerated 30 days for vagrancy, they could be a captive audience for mental health professionals for those who needed one, while being a major pain in the ass to devoted “campers” who simply don’t want to live in their parents house and live by their parents rules. They would conclude living with mom and dad beats living on a cot in an old a circus tent, and it would interrupt the “man-child” cycle they were stuck in.

Just some ideas. Here’s the Union Station area prior to the liberal self-congratulatory celebration held directly in homeless faces…

I don’t know. You want to set up a great team of profs and well-functioning research institutions with good contacts to industry and politicians (and I don’t mean companies that produce web bling).

If you outsource this, you haven’t really won at all.

The broadsheets are now covering petty US crime? It used to be just the Daily Mail and the Sun. And over here, the New York Post.

The victim’s name is Elijah LaFrance. Does this mean that Haitians are assimilating? Or is that a native creole name too?

America is educating China’s best and brightest at a great saving to China.

But not to the Chinese individuals. Foreigners pay full-fare. Indeed, that’s why so many are admitted.

What other point is there for taking the richer students from the poorer countries? To buy goodwill with their elites?

Let’s Kill Two Birds With One Stone Department

Harvard needs to open a school of Pilot Training Studies
(subsidized by a grant from United)

I would like to know that, too. There is so much focus on race in and of itself. What I want to see is long term American kids getting a chance, that is what makes me happy. I do not care about recent immigrants or people from other countries.

I wonder how many kids from poor and working class white families Harvard admitted? Are they admitting more of them, too?

Can’t help but wonder what it was like for the celebs traveling to Union Station as they drove through the wretched, stinking homeless hell surrounding the station.

Well…

https://babylonbee.com/news/homeless-outside-oscars-getting-annoyed-at-all-the-shady-drug-addicts-suddenly-arriving-in-their-neighborhood

If the schools want equality of outcome then the Ivy league schools would be: 52% White, 7% Asian, 12% Black, 22% Hispanic….. It is legal to discriminate against Asians, there is nothing stopping the Ivy League colleges from having a student body which reflects the demographics of our High School graduating class of 2021

What is the obsession with the discrimination of Asians in college admissions? White applicants have been discriminated against in college admissions for years to make way for black and other minority applicants. This is nothing new.

“White privilege” has been abolished by those who continue to enjoy (((White privilege))).

You didn’t do that right. Very few people of any race have IQs over 130 — only 0.18% of blacks, but also just 2% of whites, and maybe 4% of Chinese. By your reasoning, Harvard would be 0.18% black, 2% white, 2.5% Asian…

You needed to adjust for each group’s representation in the US population. So let’s do that. Blacks are 13% of the population and whites are 55% (for 18-year-olds that’s about right). Then without affirmative action, Harvard would have this many whites for each black:

(.02×.55)/(.0018×.13),

i.e. 47. With Asians snarfing up about 50% of the spots, an affirmative-action-free Harvard would be a little over 1% black.

150k a year gross nets out to maybe 90k after taxes. Then you are expected to pay 70k for a year at Harvard?

National Merit Semifinalists, who are the top 0.5% of students and roughly correspond to the average Ivy League student, though being somewhat below the expected academic performance of Harvard students.

That might be true of those students who are admitted primarily for their academic prowess. But that didn’t describe the majority of Harvard students even during the high tide of meritocracy in the ’60s and ’70s.

Where did you get this data? Princeton new class is 32% white

Plaques for blacks
Decree for degrees
Booty for booty
Tokens for tokens

There are only three countries that I know of that were so meticulous about parsing Race: Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, and the USA.

A useful fact to remind Good Whites of the company they are keeping.

Jewish Noam Chomsky:
“Israeli Apartheid ‘Much Worse’ Than South Africa”:

— (https://www.mintpressnews.com/noam-chomsky-israeli-apartheid-much-worse-than-south-africa/208936/)
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After visiting Israel-Palestine, Blacks who led the anti-apartheid revolution in South Africa are unanimous — Israeli apartheid is WORSE THAN THE WORST they experienced:

“In July 2008, 21 South African activists, including ANC members, visited Israel and Occupied Palestine. Their conclusion was unanimous. Israel is far worse than apartheid as former Deputy Minister of Health and current MP Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge explained:

“‘What I see here is worse than what we experienced – the absolute control of people’s lives, the lack of freedom of movement, the army presence everywhere, the total separation and the extensive destruction we saw….racist ideology is also reinforced by religion, which was not the case in South Africa.’

“Sunday Times editor, Mondli Makhanya, went further: ‘When you observe from afar you know that things are bad, but you do not know how bad. Nothing can prepare you for the evil we have seen here. It is worse, worse, worse than everything we endured. The level of apartheid, the racism and the brutality are worse than the worst period of apartheid.’”

— (https://pulsemedia.org/2009/02/27/worse-than-apartheid-the-movement-to-boycott-israel/)
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A useful fact to remind Good Whites of the company they are keeping.

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/24/us/top-colleges-take-more-blacks-but-which-ones.html

Steve you need to invest in crypto so you don’t have to keep doing blog fundraisers

It is my understanding that over half the grades issued at Harvard are A or A-.

Legend has it that Harvey C. Mansfield became known as “Harvey C-” for resisting the grade inflation, but eventually it caused so much grief that he began issuing students two grades: their “inflated” grade that went on their transcript, and the grade he thought they deserved.

My perception is that an admissions offer to Harvard practically guarantees the diploma.

Where are you getting your information?

Cuomo (Grandma killer, not Fredo) has presser. Sort of. Some questions were not answered. But he did helpfully explain that the women #MeTooing him just want attention. Smooth operator!

https://nypost.com/2021/04/26/cuomo-fends-off-sex-accuser-questions-at-in-person-presser/

Conservatives are also extremely active in the fight against ugly tattoos

There is no such fight, more is the pity.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person … may be admitted to become a citizen …

I like how two people “disagree” (HammerJack, TWS) on an easily verifiable fact of history.

You omitted Jews. Shame on you

Remember Condalezza Rice, former Secretary of State became provost of Stanford University at age 27. She didn’t have a Harvard degree. Her PHD in Russian studies was from nobody outside the metro area ever heard of University of Denver. She went straight from graduation to provost of Stanford. Not one week of applicable experience or applicable college courses or any kind of training or apprenticeship.

Not to put too fine a point on it, this is largely fiction. She became Stanford provost at 39 not 27. She had already worked at both the State dept. and served on the National Security Council before Stanford. It is true that she didn’t have a Harvard degree , though.

Except the kid who goes to Emory instead of Harvard, and therefore has a much, much lower chance of the job at McKinsey, BCG, Goldman or Evercore, or gets a job at a FAMGA company, but in an entry SE track rather than the product management track.

The problem with letting even more mediocre blacks into Harvard is you aren’t making them any smarter, you are just making them more entitled. So rather than be the call center manager or whatever they are cut out to be if they had gone to the U. of Arkansas, they feel they, as Harvard graduates, deserve to be Professors of Hair-Touching.

Prior to the racial reckoning and the doubling down on racial set-asides, the best black students Princeton could find included the dozen or more who surrounded and harassed Professor Nick Christakis on the quad over a stupid kerfuffle about Halloween costumes.

How much worse will they get?

2. their post-graduate studies are excellent. There will be no blacks there, especially in exact sciences, so things won’t change that much.

HBS is 11-13% black (depending on reporting standard).
https://www.hbs.edu/mba/admissions/class-profile/Pages/default.aspx

From JBHE: https://www.jbhe.com/2019/12/black-enrollments-at-ivy-league-law-schools

Black students make up at least 11 percent of total enrollments at all five Ivy League law schools. Leading the group is Columbia University in New York where there are 39 Black students out of a total enrollment of 124. Thus, Blacks are 31.2 percent of the total enrollments.

Do you have any data which backs up what you are saying? I was unable to find data for the other Harvard graduate schools.

Jews are as much Asian (middle eastern) as they are White. They should be in the Asian category or have their own classification.

Wut?? I’d guess 95% of the Jews in the Ivy League are Ashkenazi. You ever met Mizrahi Jews?? They’re dumb as shit.

SCIENCE NEWS

Most Ashkenazi Jews are genetically Europeans, surprising study finds

The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism…

https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210

You mean to tell me I’m… [gulp]… white??

It creates more mediocre “elites” who are a part of future government and business leadership.

More Valerie Jarretts. More Susan Rices. More Barry Obamas.

Unfortunately, this seems to have worked quite well, as the three you mention are part of the coterie currently in control of the US government.

But not to the Chinese individuals. Foreigners pay full-fare. Indeed, that’s why so many are admitted.

Pretty sure most of them were funded by the CCP from a miniscule portion of the billions of dollars the US spent on plastic crap from Wal-Mart and Amazon.

The PLA/PLAAF/PLAN spend their portion on funding Russian research and development of fun stuff like missile seeker heads and anti-stealth radar.

It is almost as if we have indeed sold them all the rope they need…

“ the smartest blacks will eventually be the community leaders of the black community in America . . . . Attending an elite university immediately gives people credibility.”

Attending an Ivy gives you status in the white world, more so among elite whites, but is there evidence it’s valued by other blacks? The list below is admittedly back-of-the-envelope, but I’m having real trouble thinking of blacks who appear to be prominent in the black community who are Ivy-educated. Warnock is the partial exception with his UTS degree.

Al Sharpton-dropped out of Brooklyn College
Jesse Jackson-North Carolina A&T/dropped out of Chicago Theological Seminary
Oprah Winfrey-Tennessee State University
Kanye West-dropped out of Chicago State
Tyler Perry-no college
T D Jakes-unknown
Raphael Warnock-Morehouse College/Union Theological Seminary
Benjamin Crump-Florida State University
LeBron James-no college

At some point, all of the colleges in America will decide that anything less than a full 12% black student body is inherently racist. They’ll have a big list of every black high school senior, and they’ll just work their way down the list.

Sadly, they won’t insist that at least 60% of the students are white.

“… an admissions offer to Harvard practically guarantees the diploma.”

True of many colleges now. Once they’ve decided that a black kid is college material, it’s up to the college to make sure blacks graduate. Once they’ve decided that a girl is college material, it’s up to the college to make sure the girl graduates.

White boys? You’re on your own, as always. Too many “C’s”? don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Wow, that is really Inside Baseball for ’60’s Long Island. Ol’ Ward tried to get the land back, when he saw what the State was going to build. He thought it would be brick/stone low-rise, mebbe something like “G” quad…boy, did he get a surprise. The Melvilles also gave the State their waterfront estate, Sunwood, which the State promptly allowed to be vandalized, and then burnt down to the foundations a few years later.
All in all, a good lesson for Ward.

That’s what a degree from 4th rate university of Denver did for her.

The University of Denver is an ordinary private research university, not a ‘4th rate school’. US News classifies 388 schools as ‘national universities’. The University of Denver is classified at the 80th percentile of that set of schools.

Why are you responding to a known troll?

Our race problem begins and ends with these elite colleges. AA admits of these colleges tend to be in soft majors like ethnic studies, because they can’t compete with the Asians and whites on campus. What do you do with a degree in Grievance Studies from Harvard? Naturally, you find grievances everywhere. At first they were hired back as professors of grievance studies, then as Dean of Diversity, or in media to write endless articles about racism, but now that is no longer enough, they want a piece of corporate America coz that’s where the money is. So all companies now have to have “VP of Diversity”, soon there’ll be Chief Diversity Officer. Where does it end? When we have race quotas for each job category?

This is why we need to make the Ivy League, Stanford & MIT 100% black. That way they’ll be like HBCUs, the top black kids can major in STEM or something other than ethnic studies without all the competition from Asians and whites.

Meanwhile, Asians, whites and Hispanics who go to these schools often turn out to be the biggest Kool Aid drinkers and future Democrats, so the fewer of them who get in the better. Let them all go to state schools. And all our kids can have their childhood back now that they’re no longer under pressure to get into one of these colleges.

Yes, the demographics of the top 50 universities is very different from the demographics of all US college students

Of the 18 million college students in America the demographics is similar the the demographics of Recent High School graduates. 54% of current college students are White, 22% Hispanic, 14% Black and 7% are Asian

The disparity when we examine the top 50 colleges is difficult to explain. Since 54% of all US college students are White, if the goal was equality based on demographics the top 50 schools would be 54% White. One common complaint from the progressive leftists is that Blacks should be 13% of the students at the top schools, 13% of our doctors….while the same logic would result in the top schools being 54% white and 7% Asian, 21%

Minor Correction: the Black/Brown trauma-fest was at Yale (not Princeton).

Yes, everyone should aspire to be like Jay Gatsby. A fairy tale with a happy ending.

In all seriousness, though, I worked (very briefly) at a white-shoe firm. I quickly left as it was apparent that I did not have what it took (what it took was an ability to navigate client and office politics, good teeth, over six feet two, no working class mannerisms, etc..) At that time, the odds that an associate would rise to the rank of principal were 1 in 7. Most of the rest ended up getting jobs with clients–that is, they got sent back to flyover country to work middle management after having blown much of their twenties pulling all-nighters to make the perfect power point deck.

New graduates from the Ivy league, though, didn’t start as associates, they started a rung below as analysts and were required to go to business school before even starting as an associate. So the 1/7 odds got even worse and you needed another set of degrees before getting in on the ground floor.

If you were the one out of seven it seemed like a good gig, but most people came up short.

So, future Chief Diversity Officers for Fortune 500 companies.

and the way Seattle WA state and federal government solved the problem, and restored the economy by giving trillions of dollars in tax exemptions, other subsidies

Alden, the annual personal income flow of the State of Washington does not exceed $1 tn dollars even today.

Please please google Bill Gates, his upper upper class very very very wealthy for generations in Seattle family,

His father was a lawyer. His parents were recognizable patrician types you’re likely to see in any mid-size metropolis, not the Gettys.

His father grew up in Bremerton, Washington, a town on the other side of the Puget Sound. His grandfather was a furniture dealer. The family in 1930 listed the value of their home at $3,000, or about 5.5x nominal personal income per capita (per year) in that era. That would be the equivalent of a home worth about $280,000 today. The family had no domestics living with them.

His mother was the daughter of a man who worked on the investments side of a bank. Her father had a well-to-do upbringing, as his father was banker. However, the family’s ship came in some time around 1905. Mary Maxwell Gates’ paternal-side grandfather was living in a boarding house in 1900.

Bullshit. Talented people are all over the place. You are obviously an idiot–and Sailer graduated from Rice, which is a damn good school

You didn’t do that right. Very few people of any race have IQs over 130 — only 0.18% of blacks, but also just 2% of whites

What is the percentage for Jews (Jewish American and global) and for non-Jewish Whites?

With Asians snarfing up about 50% of the spots, an affirmative-action-free Harvard would be a little over 1% black.

This is nonsense. Asians are only ~7% of the population. Even with the disparity in IQ between Asians and whites, they certainly wouldn’t be 50% of Harvard or the rest of the Ivy League.

SAT scores and other high school indicators seem to overpredict Asian post-collegiate success.

Look at who actually succeeds in our society – in arts, entertainment, politics, law, science, academia, at Fortune 500 companies and business start-ups, etc. Asians outperform their numbers in many fields (though by no means all of them), but not to such a degree that you would think they deserve 50% of the spots in the Ivy League.

And keep in mind that in many fields where Asians are overrepresented, like science and technology, their numbers are supplemented by a significant number of immigrants who attended college in their home countries.

Compare Asians to Jews. Jews are far more prominent in most fields than Asians, yet Jews have never been anywhere close to 50% of Ivy League students.

The truth is that there is only so far a Tiger Mom upbringing can get you. Asians work furiously hard to get into the best schools, whereas white students often don’t. I had at least a dozen white friends in high school, and dozens more in college, who went to non-Ivy League schools yet who were smarter and more creative (and have ultimately become more successful) than all of the Asians I knew who actually attended Ivy League schools.

From one perspective you could argue that Asians deserve to get into the Ivy League schools because they worked harder, even if they aren’t smarter. But from another perspective it’s understandable why the Ivy League might not choose to to let in all the Asian students who are supposedly better than the white students.

The problem with letting even more mediocre blacks into Harvard is you aren’t making them any smarter, you are just making them more entitled. So rather than be the call center manager or whatever they are cut out to be if they had gone to the U. of Arkansas, they feel they, as Harvard graduates, deserve to be Professors of Hair-Touching.

Steve, the blacks you’re describing are academically waaay below those who go to Harvard.

Harvard has enough prestige to attract all of the blacks who meet its normal qualifications plus all of those who’d otherwise qualify for a second- or third-tier school. It’s the slightly less prestigious schools (Duke, Georgetown, the “public Ivies”) that really have to reach out to the margins.

Rick Sander & Stuart Taylor’s book “Mismatch” has hard data on this if you want it.

Don’t feed the Crow.

That any Alien being a free white person … may be admitted…

Unfortunately, non-white aliens could be admitted for another 18 years. Not to citizenship, of course, but if they were that useless, they should never have been admitted at all.

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Ten dollars, even in 1790, doesn’t even close to covering their considerable costs to the young nation. “Think proper to admit.” We have always been a bleeding-heart welfare state!

I was “white” 50 years ago…people simply thought they were “American” and if the racial thing was raised at all “white”.

Having grown up in Canada at about that time, I can report that none of us north of the border were white.

Rather, in a continuing source of puzzlement to us kids, we were “Caucasian”. Not sure if I’ve seen that term used in the current century.

From one perspective you could argue that Asians deserve to get into the Ivy League schools because they worked harder, even if they aren’t smarter.

Whites deserve to have a majority in Ivy League schools because Whites created this country.

That’s a list of people in different branches of entertainment, Warnock and Crump excepted. Crump is a grotesque grifter. If he’s wealthy, it’s because he knows how to push the buttons of the sort of buffoon you see on the Minneapolis City Council. If he were relying on an ordinary law practice with a largely black client list (i.e. he was an honest man), he’d live no better than the average schoolteacher.

John H Johnson is an example of a businessman who grew wealthy selling to a black clientele. Not a satisfactory example of your thesis, as he attended the University of Chicago long before the mulligan’s regime was instituted (and at a time when only a single-digit share of each cohort attended colleges or universities).

Harvard has enough prestige to attract all of the blacks who meet its normal qualifications plus all of those who’d otherwise qualify for a second- or third-tier school.

We should distinguish between blacks who are descendants of American slaves (DOAS) and blacks who have recently immigrants. Only DOAS should get any preferences at Harvard.

I didn’t believe Columbia Law school is 1/3 black either. According to Columbia, its 2024 class is 9.5% black. “Student diversity at Columbia is Average.”

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/

Remember Condalezza Rice, former Secretary of State became provost of Stanford University at age 27

Once again, Aldey, you’re wrong. Rice started as a part-time assistant professor, in 1981 and became Provost TWELVE YEARS LATER, at the age of 39.

But keep swinging, one day you will make contact on one of these DAMMMN KNEEEEEE-GROOOWWZ!!!

Rice was hired by Stanford University as an assistant professor of political science (1981–1987). She was promoted to associate professor in 1987, a post she held until 1993. She was a specialist on the Soviet Union and gave lectures on the subject for the Berkeley-Stanford joint program led by UC Berkeley Professor George W. Breslauer in the mid-1980s.

At a 1985 meeting of arms control experts at Stanford, Rice’s performance drew the attention of Brent Scowcroft, who had served as National Security Advisor under Gerald Ford.[31] With the election of George H. W. Bush, Scowcroft returned to the White House as National Security Adviser in 1989, and he asked Rice to become his Soviet expert on the United States National Security Council. According to R. Nicholas Burns, President Bush was “captivated” by Rice, and relied heavily on her advice in his dealings with Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin.[31]

Because she would have been ineligible for tenure at Stanford if she had been absent for more than two years, she returned there in 1991. She was taken under the wing of George P. Shultz (Ronald Reagan’s Secretary of State from 1982 to 1989), who was a fellow at the Hoover Institution. Shultz included Rice in a “luncheon club” of intellectuals who met every few weeks to discuss foreign affairs.[31] In 1992, Shultz, who was a board member of Chevron Corporation, recommended Rice for a spot on the Chevron board. Chevron was pursuing a $10 billion development project in Kazakhstan and, as a Soviet specialist, Rice knew the President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev. She traveled to Kazakhstan on Chevron’s behalf and, in honor of her work, in 1993, Chevron named a 129,000-ton supertanker SS Condoleezza Rice.[31] During this period, Rice was also appointed to the boards of Transamerica Corporation (1991) and Hewlett-Packard (1992).

At Stanford, in 1992, Rice volunteered to serve on the search committee to replace outgoing president Donald Kennedy. The committee ultimately recommended Gerhard Casper, the Provost of the University of Chicago. Casper met Rice during this search, and was so impressed that in 1993, he appointed her as Stanford’s Provost,

Attending an Ivy gives you status in the white world, more so among elite whites, but is there evidence it’s valued by other blacks?

Does that matter? If so, why?

The disparity when we examine the top 50 colleges is difficult trivial to explain.

FIFY.

That’s the ticket to success and happiness: If you didn’t make it into a top college or couldn’t afford to go, just give up at the age of 18 and don’t go to college at all. You’ll be better off.

You have got to be kidding.

Categorizing people this way has created a “white” identity where none previously existed. 50 years ago, if you asked people what they were, they’d say, German, or Irish, or Italian. No one would say, “I’m white.” It’s an artificial category created to confer benefits on anyone lucky enough to claim to be outside the category.

This is utter nonsense. America was founded on white supremacy. The first law passed that wasn’t about settling the war debts was the Naturalization Act of 1790, which limited citizenship only to “Free White Persons.” The law applied to people already in America, as well as immigrants seeking citizenship. Only white people could be citizens until after the Civil War. The very first census asked what race each person was. There is a cuckservative talking point that goes like “it’s un-American for the government to care about what race someone is.”

The idea that no one identified as “white” in 1970, but only as “Irish or German” is so beyond absurd, we don’t have a word in English to capture it. Nothing about American history makes sense if you believe that white people didn’t have a white identity until recently. How can anyone who comes to a dissident race realist blog like this be so ignorant of basic history and lack all common sense?

I think once you eliminate the Obama type mulattoes raised by their white mothers and the West Africans and the Caribbean blacks (most of whom are also mulatto)

You’ve been to the Caribbean?

Agree with Achmed. I’m copping “hysterically black colleges.” Wish I had thought of it, but glad someone did.

Professors of Hair Touching is in Steve’s top 10

True, and Arabs, Iranians, North Africans etc… are still counted as White.

There are no shortage of Arabs, Turks and Persians at Ivy League schools. We desperately need a Middle Eastern and North Africa category on the census and other statistics. We need to know how many Americans are European.

HBS is 11-13% black (depending on reporting standard).

As an aside, note that GW Bush is also an HBS grad. And he’s a first class Dope.

Also note that all 4 of Al Gore’s kids got admitted to Harvard like their Old Man. The statistical probability of having a genius father with 4 genius kids like that is phantasmagorical.

It is increasingly difficult to get into an elite graduate program from a non-elite undergrad. While it’s true that the Top five or so law/business/med schools take undergrads from lots of colleges, dig deeper into the data and you’ll see that Harvard law may take 1 student from University of Washington, but they take 40 from Yale, 35 from Princeton, 35 from Stanford etc. Add to that the fact that University of Washington is a lot bigger than these elite schools (7,000 graduates each year compared to 1,400 to 1,700 YPS), and your competition is a lot keener.

Meanwhile, of the Forbes’ 400 richest in 2020, 21% came from just two schools – Harvard(12%) and Stanford(9%). For Harvard, the split is 30% to 70% undergrad vs. grad, but for Stanford, it is 64% to 36% undergrad vs. grad. So, in tech at least, it still pays to go to an elite college for undergrad, esp. Stanford, since it’s a major startup incubator in Silicon Valley; perhaps that’s why it has had the lowest admission rate for the past 10 years.

I wouldn’t be so blase about them going into government jobs. How much has the I.T. industry already been hampered by idiotic government regulations from people who know nothing about how I.T. actually works? Not to mention the millions squandered on building I.T. systems for the government that don’t work. I see this in Australia all the time, surely it can’t be that much better in the USA.

I’m sure I’ve seen some figures that suggest campus blacks are more likely to be African or Caribbean than DOAS, but I too would like to see this properly confirmed and I find it telling that neither Harvard nor anyone else is giving us that information.

Plenty of white Americans in the 19th century did not consider the Irish white. You just have to look at Thomas Nast’s caricatures featured in “Harper’s Weekly” to see this.

What’s wrong with working at the local water treatment plant? A stable government job with reasonable hours and benefits that performs a vital service for society, in an area with low cost of living? Doesn’t sound too bad.

Also, I’m an ivy league alum, so it’s not really a cope. What would be a cope is if I told myself that all the loans I took out for that degree were worth it because it was life changing. But, having thought about my life, now that I’m near the end, I’ve concluded it made very little difference. That’s an anti-cope. A certain type of person, maybe it is life changing, but it wasn’t for me.

You seem very glum–if it makes you feel better, while I think this generation has it tougher getting their careers started, it’s not a new problem. I spent a couple of years covering vacations and weekends for people before I could get a stable practice going, and that was after five years of residency (and four of med school, and four of undergrad…) A bit of a disappointment to be in your mid thirties and many many years of training but still not know if you’ll get a paycheck next month. My son-in-law’s first job after getting his BSN was…his old job at home depot. He had to wait about a year for something to open up in the area. It happens.

Now you respond: OK boomer!

It’s amazing how much affirmative action goes on at MIT vs. Caltech. Black enrollment at MIT is 11.8% compared to Caltech at 2.5%!

MIT’s admission rate is twice as high for women as it is for men, I’d love to see the admission rate for blacks. How many even apply?

Unfortunately, non-white aliens could be admitted for another 18 years. Not to citizenship, of course, but if they were that useless, they should never have been admitted at all.

I presume that clause was there because of the slave-holding states.

At Stanford, they have a program called “Leland Scholars” which is basically a pre-matriculation summer booster program to get affirmative action admits up to speed on math, science and writing. You would think a kid who could make it into Stanford wouldn’t need such a booster program but noooo…I’m sure all elite colleges do the same.

At some point negro students are going to demand that elite school faculties reflect the student body. While Asians won’t have a problem where in the hell is Harvard going to find negro professors in chemistry, physics etc. and how to keep your elite status when the faculty is composed of second rate professors?

No, I don’t mean Caribbean blacks in general, I mean the kind of Caribbean blacks who attend Harvard – these come mostly from the small mixed race elite in the islands and are not really considered “black” back home. Guys like Kamala Harris’s dad. If you look at their family trees, they are the descendants of the sons and daughters that English planters had with local (black) women. Often the fathers would arrange to have these sons educated either locally or back in England and then they would marry the mixed race offspring of other planters.

Once they get around to reparations in the Caribbean their white half will owe reparations to their black half, so they can call it a wash.

Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill?

Universities are going to drastically change anyway. They’re largely outdated institutions.

This is the conventional wisdom on the right, but I think it’s almost totally incorrect.

Just because the third- or fourth-rate directional ‘university’ or obscure liberal arts college down the road is struggling to draw students and pay the bills, it doesn’t mean the higher ed sector on the whole is in any danger.

In fact, at what point in history have big-name universities wielded more cultural, political — and, increasingly — economic power than they do today?

Just because HPYetc are graduating a bunch of mediocre AA admits doesn’t change the nature of the power those grads will have access to, or in any way undermine the universities’ role as gatekeepeers to those avenues of power.

When I was an undergraduate at Princeton in the 1960s, it was almost impossible to flunk out. I found the same to be true as a teaching assistant (“teaching fellow”) at Harvard in the 1970s and as an instructor at Yale after that.

Actually, Harvard and Stanford have the best graduation rates in the country, something like 99%. This suggests that even students who lost half their brain in a car accidents, or schizophrenics, or what have you, are waived through.

I don’t see why the habit of make-belief tests and exams would stop now.

I would assume Harvard will over time experience progressive brand dilution, like universities with open admissions.

It is a misconception to think that Harvard’s brand is primarily based on the amount of actual learning its students do in their degree programs.

Their brand has been unassailable for decades, and at present may be as strong as it’s ever been.

Welcome!

There are very few mixed race people anywhere in the Caribbean now. The whites left the islands in the 1960’s and their kids have been out of high school for many years.

Harvard could admit students strictly based on IQ or wealth, but its prestige would drop if its ability to be a feeder for the professional/managerial class declined.

It’s clear that there is some sort of consensus among this professional/managerial class and its gatekeepers that blacks are to be significantly overrepresented in their ranks, and that black issues and interests are to be a major priority dwarfing others. Harvard, in order to maintain its status, has to respond to this accordingly by admitting lots of blacks who are going to be preferentially promoted into the professional/managerial class.

It’s likely this is exactly what’s happening. Your explanation is excellent; thanks.

Agreed, in the rare areas where preferences are necessary at all.
Undergraduate admissions is not one of those areas, and the DOAS who are admitted under lowered standards don’t benefit. They’d be better off at a lower-tier predominantly white institution or at an HBCU (among blacks with a PhD in a STEM field, many times more of them got their undergrad at Howard/Spelman/Morehouse/etc. than Harvard/Yale/Princeton).

So now they gotta start locking their doors inside the dorms. Metal detectors will be needed at building entrances. They will have to offer classes on rape avoidance. More attacks on asians. More drug dealing. More empty cans of malt liquor laying around campus.