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“Held on remand” means held in jail awaiting trial without bail:

So in London, as many as 74% of the worst of the worst criminal teens, the ones too dangerous to let out of jail while awaiting trial, are black?

That’s bad.

By the way, this report by a woke NGO is cherry-picking the single worst month for black misbehavior for their headline: the usual percent black in London is in the 60s not 70s. But, still, London is only 13% black, and many are decently-educated Africans brained-drained from Africa to work in the National Health Service and the like.

By the way, didn’t the English used to use “black” to mean pretty much everybody who isn’t pink? If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about.

There are a lot of Englishmen with the surname of “Black.” Presumably, they had an ancestor c. 1300 when surnames were being chosen who had dark hair or tanned skin.

So when did the English shift from their indigenous definition of “black,” meaning somebody swarthier than the typical Englishman, to the American definition, meaning somebody who, judging by their looks, has significant ancestry from south of the Sahara?

Back in the early 1990s when I first got on the Internet, there was an Afrocentrist fad among African-Americans: blacks built the Pyramids, and things like that. I noticed that a lot of the scholarly works they cited in evidence tended to be old books from Oxford professors in 1900 saying things like “blacks built the Pyramids.” In other words, American Afrocentrists tended to be sincere but not aware of how the English used the word “black” a century ago.

 
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  1. I guess even an English accent isn’t powerful enough to defeat thuggery. Being proper and speaking the Black level of the Queen’s English could be useful to thuggery. A British accent kind of puts one at ease, while the American Dindu dialect automatically puts one’s guard up. Word.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Trinity

    -A British accent kind of puts one at ease-

    Afro-Englishmen tend to talk like Ali G, or sometimes Miss Cleo.

    While there’s a bit higher share of UK blacks with high IQs due to african brain drain, they lack the large share of churchgoing patriots with middle class values you see in US blacks outside central cities. Instead, there’s a huge hostility to whites and entitlement, fed by the much more generous UK welfare state.

    And a much larger share of UK blacks are Caribbeans on welfare or African illegal economic migrants rather than selective-migration Africans.

    Another negative on UK blacks is the malignant influence on them of the UK’s much larger hostile Muslim population.

  2. From the LBC story:

    An even higher percentage, 88%, or nearly 9 out of 10 children were from black or other minority ethnic backgrounds.

    Diversity – the gift that keeps on giving.

    Director of Transform Justice, Penelope Gibbs, said: “I think it’s shocking, and we should remain shocked by these kinds of things.

    It’s probably the highest disproportionality rate that I’ve seen in the whole of the criminal justice system. We’re talking about children who have not been convicted of a crime, and may never be convicted.”

    These “children” are under 18, but may be 6 feet tall and powerfully built. Ms Gibbs carefully avoids telling us what crimes they are typically charged with – but it is not possession of small quantities of marijuana.

    One definite injustice is that, even if convicted, the person may not be given a custodial sentence – not even “time served” – which implies that remand in custody was inappropriate. But apart from that, the best way to avoid custody is not to commit crimes.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @James N. Kennett

    >head of a black advocacy outfit
    >named Gibbs
    You can't make this stuff up.

  3. “decently-educated Africans” . Compared to what ?

  4. Tom Cribb, an early 19th Century English boxing champion was nicknamed The Black Pearl bit only because his hair was black. (The pub Cribb started and named after himself still operates in London). I wonder if non-fair hair was somewhat un-common in England back then.

  5. They do not belong in our lands.

    Their ancestors hated British colonialism, yet they are here.

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @216

    Allowing blacks to come to Britain was the greatest mistake in British history.

  6. In the first Flashman novel, George MacDonald Fraser has his protagonist refer to Indians as [the current most taboo word in English]s.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Dave Pinsen

    > [the current most taboo word in English]

    Hmmm, I need a hint.
    Can pop stars use this taboo work in their raps?
    Are some kinds of fans allowed to sing along?
    Are other kinds of fans also permitted?

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Dave Pinsen

    That's right.

    In the 19th century, it was commonly used by the British in India to refer to Indians. Christopher Hibbert's superb history of the Indian Mutiny of 1857 contains numerous direct quotes from Brits living in India in those days.

    Just click on the link to the book and do a word search if you're curious. Of course, the book is worth a read in its entirety for its own sake, too.


    https://ia802802.us.archive.org/11/items/TheGreatMutinyIndia1857ChristopherHibbert/The%20Great%20Mutiny_%20India%201857%20-%20Christopher%20Hibbert.pdf

    https://i.imgur.com/yhKVdOY.jpg

    , @John Derbyshire
    @Dave Pinsen

    Growing up in the English working class mid-20C, the rule was "the wogs start at Calais." I'm not sure where the n's started, but it wasn't much further on.

    , @Neuday
    @Dave Pinsen

    Once convicted of a violent crime, a Black person should lose the privilege of not being called n!663r. They might come to consider it a badge of honor, but for some it might bring some clarity for those in the Black community who think it's time for them to just stop being so damned violent. I can see the billboards and the PSA's now "Don't be a . . . "

    , @stillCARealist
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dorothy Sayers has the word coming from Lord Peter Wimsey's mouth in one of her books, in reference to Indians.

    , @William Badwhite
    @Dave Pinsen


    In the first Flashman novel
     
    In another one (I forget which) he explains the world's races as consisting of "Englishmen, Frenchmen, and [worst word ever]s"

    In the one about the Taiping Rebellion, he even refers to the Chinese by that word
  7. Blacks can now just claim they didn’t receive a fair trial and be set free ala Bill Cosby.

    “Fair Trial?” As if Derek Chauvin and the Fields kid in Charlottesville ever had a prayer at receiving a fair trial?

    Speaking of trial, anyone heard about a trial date for the person who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Trinity

    There’s rumors he was actually a secret service agent. The shooter was wearing a black suit jacket, not a Capitol police uniform shirt.

    , @Lurker
    @Trinity

    What have Bill Cosby and Sigmund Freud got in common?

    They both explored the unconscious.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar

  8. If you remember, one of the pieces of evidence against the Met Police at the McPherson inquiry was that an officer referred to Mr Lawrence and his friend Dwayne Brooks as “coloured” – which was the polite usage in the 1950s and 1960s, when ‘black’ was considered too upfront.

    Lots of Brits have been called ‘black’ merely meaning swarthy. Scotland had the Black Comyn and his son the Red Comyn, but I don’t think the latter was Native American.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Cumming#John_%22the_Black%22_Comyn

  9. Considering the numbers of other dysfunctional minorities – Pakistanis, North Africans, EEuropean Roma, Albanians etc, this is a phenominal achievement.

  10. OT

    • LOL: Spect3r, Barnard
  11. There’s an 18th century book that describes the people of the Hebrides as having a ‘black complexion.’

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Yeah, it is important to remember is that terms like “black” were frequently used to describe people with Catherine Zeta-Jones-ish complexions:

    Duke of Somerset:


    Is of a middle stature, well shaped, a very black complexion, a lover of music and poetry; of good judgment [not a grain;hardly common sense];but by reason of a great hesitation in his speech wants expression. He is about forty-two years old.”
     
    And here’s the Duke of Somerset to whom Swift is referring:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Seymour,_6th_Duke_of_Somerset

    John Witaker’s description of John Spens:

    It was contrived by him, no doubt, in concurrence with one, who was commonly called Black
    John Spens, one of the Queen’s two Attornies General (Anderson, ii, 97), though a violent Protestant (Knox 338); who was probably engaged in the murder himself (Anderson i.48), who was certainly embarked in the rebellion afterwards (Keith, 452 and Goodall, ii. 370), and of whom, considering his black complexion and his anti-papistical spirit together, […]
     
    Mary Queen Of Scots Vindicated: In Three Volumes, Volume 1, pages 302-303.

    In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play
     
    William Lilly’s history of his life and times from the year 1602 to 1681, page 20

    A description of the inhabitants of the Western Isles of Scotland:

    The Inhabitants are generally well proportioned, and of a black Complexion; they speak only the Irish Tongue and use the Habit, Diet, and etc that is used in the Western Isles

    A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland: Containing a Full Account of Their Situation, Extent, Soils, Product, Harbours, Bays, Tides, Anchoring-places, and Fisheries. The Antient and Modern Government, Religion and Customs of the Inhabitants; Particularly of Their Druids, Heathen Temples, Monasteries, Churches, Chappels, Antiquities, Monuments, Forts, Caves, and Other Curiosities of Art and Nature: of Their Admirable and Expeditious Way of Curing Most Diseases by Simples of Their Own Product. A Particular Account of the Second Sight, Or Faculty of Foreseeing Things to Come, by Way of Vision, So Common Among Them. A Brief Hint of Methods to Improve Trade in that Country, Both by Sea and Land. With a New Map of the Whole, Describing the Harbours, Anchoring-places, and Dangerous Rocks, for the Benefit of Sailors. To which is Added, A Brief Description of the Isles of Orkney and Schetland
     
    page 248

    A description of Thomas, Earl of Ormonde:

    He was a very comely and graceful man, and of a black complexion, which gained him among the Irish the surname of Duffe
     
    A History of the Life of James Duke of Ormonde, Volume 1, page Lxiv

    Here’s Ormonde:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Butler,_10th_Earl_of_Ormond

    Doesn’t look very Negroid, does he?

    Replies: @Alden, @James J O'Meara, @AceDeuce, @OFWHAP, @J.Ross

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @syonredux

    And with good reason - as late as Felix Mendelssohn’s time, the Outer Hebrides Islands were a dark and foreboding place. (And maybe still are!)

    His “Hebrides Overture” is both beautiful and hauntingly spooky:

    https://youtu.be/zcogD-hHEYs

  12. The vibrant teens are just doing the jobs White people won’t do. I am not kidding. Someone has to do the murdering, the robbing, the beatings, the random robberies, the rapes, the forced prostitution, the acid throwing, the moments of terror, the lifetime of victimization that makes Urban life so appealing to those insulated from the worst of it.

    A great deal, perhaps most, of Western politics is the Upper Class like Rose Fitzgerald Kenney* bitterly resenting ordinary people through the products of the Industrial Revolution living lives not that far removed in comfort and security from their own. Hence the need to import lots of violent thugs who would be reliably violent generation after generation, or freeing those already here to be more violent, and impose misery on uppity middle and working class Whites. How can the upper class be happy if you are not miserable? They can’t. From Bill Gates and particularly Melinda Gates (who at heart knows she’s nothing but a very high priced whore) to say, Nancy Pelosi, only your misery and despair can make their dual Wolf freezers worthwhile.

    Its why they hated Trump. He was happy just being Trump. Not in the misery of people he did not even know.

    *Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, upon arriving at her PRIVATE CHAPEL asked who all the cars there belonged to. When told it was the servants, she bitterly complained: “What’s the point of being rich when ordinary people can have nice things too?”

    • Thanks: photondancer
  13. It’s not uncommon for British journalists to refer to Black Brits as African American as the race of their national fellows.

    Brits wanted diversity/vibrancy and they have got it, big time.

    “But what can a poor boy to do,
    but to sing in a rock and roll band
    “cause in sleepy London down
    “there’s just no place for a street fighting man.”

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Daniel H


    Brits wanted diversity/vibrancy and they have got it, big time.
     
    There's no evidence that the majority of Brits ever wanted this.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James J O'Meara

  14. @syonredux
    There's an 18th century book that describes the people of the Hebrides as having a 'black complexion.'

    Replies: @syonredux, @Paul Jolliffe

    Yeah, it is important to remember is that terms like “black” were frequently used to describe people with Catherine Zeta-Jones-ish complexions:

    Duke of Somerset:

    Is of a middle stature, well shaped, a very black complexion, a lover of music and poetry; of good judgment [not a grain;hardly common sense];but by reason of a great hesitation in his speech wants expression. He is about forty-two years old.”

    And here’s the Duke of Somerset to whom Swift is referring:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Seymour,_6th_Duke_of_Somerset

    John Witaker’s description of John Spens:

    It was contrived by him, no doubt, in concurrence with one, who was commonly called Black
    John Spens, one of the Queen’s two Attornies General (Anderson, ii, 97), though a violent Protestant (Knox 338); who was probably engaged in the murder himself (Anderson i.48), who was certainly embarked in the rebellion afterwards (Keith, 452 and Goodall, ii. 370), and of whom, considering his black complexion and his anti-papistical spirit together, […]

    Mary Queen Of Scots Vindicated: In Three Volumes, Volume 1, pages 302-303.

    In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play

    William Lilly’s history of his life and times from the year 1602 to 1681, page 20

    A description of the inhabitants of the Western Isles of Scotland:

    The Inhabitants are generally well proportioned, and of a black Complexion; they speak only the Irish Tongue and use the Habit, Diet, and etc that is used in the Western Isles

    A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland: Containing a Full Account of Their Situation, Extent, Soils, Product, Harbours, Bays, Tides, Anchoring-places, and Fisheries. The Antient and Modern Government, Religion and Customs of the Inhabitants; Particularly of Their Druids, Heathen Temples, Monasteries, Churches, Chappels, Antiquities, Monuments, Forts, Caves, and Other Curiosities of Art and Nature: of Their Admirable and Expeditious Way of Curing Most Diseases by Simples of Their Own Product. A Particular Account of the Second Sight, Or Faculty of Foreseeing Things to Come, by Way of Vision, So Common Among Them. A Brief Hint of Methods to Improve Trade in that Country, Both by Sea and Land. With a New Map of the Whole, Describing the Harbours, Anchoring-places, and Dangerous Rocks, for the Benefit of Sailors. To which is Added, A Brief Description of the Isles of Orkney and Schetland

    page 248

    A description of Thomas, Earl of Ormonde:

    He was a very comely and graceful man, and of a black complexion, which gained him among the Irish the surname of Duffe

    A History of the Life of James Duke of Ormonde, Volume 1, page Lxiv

    Here’s Ormonde:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Butler,_10th_Earl_of_Ormond

    Doesn’t look very Negroid, does he?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @syonredux

    Jane Austen describes 2 characters, Mary and Henry Crawford as black probably meaning black or dark brown hair and skin darker than pale white. Jane Austen was described as having a brown complexion. Lots of American blacks aren’t described as having a brown complexion. We’d say light complexioned or tan .

    , @James J O'Meara
    @syonredux

    "In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play"

    Sound like a negro, alright.

    , @AceDeuce
    @syonredux

    Don't forget the most famous instance of this in English literature-- in the King James Bible-The Song of Solomon 1:5

    "I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon..."

    Replies: @photondancer

    , @OFWHAP
    @syonredux

    If Catherine Zeta-Jones is black, then I’ve got jungle fever!!!

    , @J.Ross
    @syonredux

    And also that Erik guy was neither Martian nor Marxian.

  15. By the way, didn’t the English used to use “black” to mean pretty much everybody who isn’t pink? If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about.

    The Jury is still out on the Irish.

    • Thanks: James Speaks
    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Bill Jones

    While we're on the subject, I was quite advanced in years before I realized that "olive complexion" in Victorian novels was code for "Jewish" or "Levantine".

    , @James Speaks
    @Bill Jones

    The Jury is still out on the Irish.

    Let's review. They are very musical as well as sociable, they like to drink, and am I missing something? Oh right, the fighting.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Bill Jones

    Funny line, but if the jury is out on Irish people being white europeans, then the jury is also out on “English” people, given that many millions of the “English” are 20-plus percent Celtic genetically.

    https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/international/press-releases/DNA-of-the-nation-revealedand-were-not-as-British-as-we-think

  16. Totally off topic:

    Once the brown Hispanic helot labor gets established in the US, but before they lose Spanish, the white upper class slightly non-white Hispanic upper class will serve to ‘help’ and ‘guide’ their fellow Hispanics? Has it started?

    Or is life in Sur America with a drain for the lower class’ excess reproduction that they will never leave their haciendas.

  17. UK Blacks are much more violent than UK Whites:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/25/killings-of-black-people-in-england-and-wales-at-highest-level-for-decades

    Black people are more likely to be victims of homicide, the figures show. About 15% of all victims in the period were black, but only 3% of the general population are black. Sixty-four per cent of victims were white, while white people make up 85% of the general population.

    The figures also show black people are more likely to be perpetrators of homicide and murder. Approximately one in five – or 21% – of convicted suspects were black.

    In the three years to March last year, the average homicide rate per million population, at 49.5, was about five times higher for black people than white people, at 9.4. The rate of victimisation for black people has soared, a 70% increase when compared with the three years to March 2014.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/17/risk-in-england-and-wales-much-higher-for-black-people

    Black people in England and Wales are more than five times as likely as white people to be victims of homicide, new research shows.

    The study analysed the homicide rate for every 100,000 people for different ethnic groups in England and Wales, and found it had fluctuated over the last 20 years. In the early 2000s the number of black people killed was at its peak, at 10 people for every 100,000 of population. The rate then dropped to as low as three people per 100,000, and began to increase from 2013.

    Latest analysis put the homicide rate for black people at five for every 100,000 people, but it was even higher for black youngsters aged 16-24, who during the last 20 years were 10.6 times more likely to be killed than their white counterparts. Even more alarmingly, that had increased, and in 2018-19 young black people were 24 times more likely to be homicide victims than young white people.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @syonredux

    'UK Blacks are much more violent than UK Whites...'

    Did I ever tell you that watercress does better in cool weather? That watermelon likes heat? That dogs chase cats?

    Any other exciting tips you want to share?

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @anonymouseperson
    @syonredux

    Blacks are more violent then anybody else. Period.

  18. @Dave Pinsen
    In the first Flashman novel, George MacDonald Fraser has his protagonist refer to Indians as [the current most taboo word in English]s.

    Replies: @ic1000, @PiltdownMan, @John Derbyshire, @Neuday, @stillCARealist, @William Badwhite

    > [the current most taboo word in English]

    Hmmm, I need a hint.
    Can pop stars use this taboo work in their raps?
    Are some kinds of fans allowed to sing along?
    Are other kinds of fans also permitted?

    • LOL: Dissident
  19. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Yeah, it is important to remember is that terms like “black” were frequently used to describe people with Catherine Zeta-Jones-ish complexions:

    Duke of Somerset:


    Is of a middle stature, well shaped, a very black complexion, a lover of music and poetry; of good judgment [not a grain;hardly common sense];but by reason of a great hesitation in his speech wants expression. He is about forty-two years old.”
     
    And here’s the Duke of Somerset to whom Swift is referring:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Seymour,_6th_Duke_of_Somerset

    John Witaker’s description of John Spens:

    It was contrived by him, no doubt, in concurrence with one, who was commonly called Black
    John Spens, one of the Queen’s two Attornies General (Anderson, ii, 97), though a violent Protestant (Knox 338); who was probably engaged in the murder himself (Anderson i.48), who was certainly embarked in the rebellion afterwards (Keith, 452 and Goodall, ii. 370), and of whom, considering his black complexion and his anti-papistical spirit together, […]
     
    Mary Queen Of Scots Vindicated: In Three Volumes, Volume 1, pages 302-303.

    In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play
     
    William Lilly’s history of his life and times from the year 1602 to 1681, page 20

    A description of the inhabitants of the Western Isles of Scotland:

    The Inhabitants are generally well proportioned, and of a black Complexion; they speak only the Irish Tongue and use the Habit, Diet, and etc that is used in the Western Isles

    A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland: Containing a Full Account of Their Situation, Extent, Soils, Product, Harbours, Bays, Tides, Anchoring-places, and Fisheries. The Antient and Modern Government, Religion and Customs of the Inhabitants; Particularly of Their Druids, Heathen Temples, Monasteries, Churches, Chappels, Antiquities, Monuments, Forts, Caves, and Other Curiosities of Art and Nature: of Their Admirable and Expeditious Way of Curing Most Diseases by Simples of Their Own Product. A Particular Account of the Second Sight, Or Faculty of Foreseeing Things to Come, by Way of Vision, So Common Among Them. A Brief Hint of Methods to Improve Trade in that Country, Both by Sea and Land. With a New Map of the Whole, Describing the Harbours, Anchoring-places, and Dangerous Rocks, for the Benefit of Sailors. To which is Added, A Brief Description of the Isles of Orkney and Schetland
     
    page 248

    A description of Thomas, Earl of Ormonde:

    He was a very comely and graceful man, and of a black complexion, which gained him among the Irish the surname of Duffe
     
    A History of the Life of James Duke of Ormonde, Volume 1, page Lxiv

    Here’s Ormonde:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Butler,_10th_Earl_of_Ormond

    Doesn’t look very Negroid, does he?

    Replies: @Alden, @James J O'Meara, @AceDeuce, @OFWHAP, @J.Ross

    Jane Austen describes 2 characters, Mary and Henry Crawford as black probably meaning black or dark brown hair and skin darker than pale white. Jane Austen was described as having a brown complexion. Lots of American blacks aren’t described as having a brown complexion. We’d say light complexioned or tan .

  20. How many of these children are 28 years old?

    And have tattoos?

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Gamecock

    I always think of the MST3k episode riffing The Girl in Gold Boots, where the bad guy, played by the early middle aged Tom Pace, is constantly called a "young punk" or "kid" etc., leading the movie hosts to say things like "but he's just a kid."

    https://youtu.be/s38s8ULg7a8

  21. @syonredux
    UK Blacks are much more violent than UK Whites:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/25/killings-of-black-people-in-england-and-wales-at-highest-level-for-decades

    Black people are more likely to be victims of homicide, the figures show. About 15% of all victims in the period were black, but only 3% of the general population are black. Sixty-four per cent of victims were white, while white people make up 85% of the general population.
     

    The figures also show black people are more likely to be perpetrators of homicide and murder. Approximately one in five – or 21% – of convicted suspects were black.
     

    In the three years to March last year, the average homicide rate per million population, at 49.5, was about five times higher for black people than white people, at 9.4. The rate of victimisation for black people has soared, a 70% increase when compared with the three years to March 2014.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/17/risk-in-england-and-wales-much-higher-for-black-people

    Black people in England and Wales are more than five times as likely as white people to be victims of homicide, new research shows.

     


    The study analysed the homicide rate for every 100,000 people for different ethnic groups in England and Wales, and found it had fluctuated over the last 20 years. In the early 2000s the number of black people killed was at its peak, at 10 people for every 100,000 of population. The rate then dropped to as low as three people per 100,000, and began to increase from 2013.
     

    Latest analysis put the homicide rate for black people at five for every 100,000 people, but it was even higher for black youngsters aged 16-24, who during the last 20 years were 10.6 times more likely to be killed than their white counterparts. Even more alarmingly, that had increased, and in 2018-19 young black people were 24 times more likely to be homicide victims than young white people.

     

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @anonymouseperson

    ‘UK Blacks are much more violent than UK Whites…’

    Did I ever tell you that watercress does better in cool weather? That watermelon likes heat? That dogs chase cats?

    Any other exciting tips you want to share?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Colin Wright

    Sometimes ya gotta say the obvious thing. I've actually encountered Americans who think that Blacks in Canada and the UK have violent crime rates that are equal to those of their White compatriots.

    Heck, some Woke Whites in the USA don't know that Blacks are responsible for roughly half of the homicides in America in any given year....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @martin_2

  22. @Trinity
    Blacks can now just claim they didn't receive a fair trial and be set free ala Bill Cosby.

    "Fair Trial?" As if Derek Chauvin and the Fields kid in Charlottesville ever had a prayer at receiving a fair trial?

    Speaking of trial, anyone heard about a trial date for the person who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    Replies: @Alden, @Lurker

    There’s rumors he was actually a secret service agent. The shooter was wearing a black suit jacket, not a Capitol police uniform shirt.

  23. Just because their mother has an affirmative action job as janitor or nurse aide in the health service doesn’t mean her children don’t grow up to be criminals.

    The ignorant sociologists who pontificate abouteffects or racism and the ghetto lifestyle should start learning about the families of teen and young adult black criminals. Many are the spawn of affirmative action government workers.

    Affirmative action brought lots of black government workers to those rural formerly all White state capitols. With the usual results first in the schools, then in yout court and then in the adult criminal system.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  24. Wasn’t Karl Marx called “Moor” in tribute to his dark complexion (although jocularly referring to himself as Old Nick in letters)?

  25. By the way, didn’t the English used to use “black” to mean pretty much everybody who isn’t pink? If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about

    .

    The wogs begin at Calais.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    The wogs begin at Calais.
     
    They certainly do now!
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    The wogs begin at Calais.
     
    That they do.


    https://multifiles.pressherald.com/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Maine-map-300x300.jpeg

    https://alwaystimefor9.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/St.CroixCC1.sign_.jpg


    (The claim is untrue. It's not even the easternmost St Croix golf course in the U.S.)

  26. In the Gaelic dialects, referring to someone as being black means a white person with black hair. Negroes are referred to as being blue (see Irish, Scottish. I’m ignorant of British dialects (e.g., Welsh) but it’s likely they have a similar way of describing persons by color.

    https://www.faclair.com/ViewDictionaryEntry.aspx?ID=35592B70ACFEBA417DE73B498E2000A7

    • Replies: @Graham
    @Coemgen

    And, to the peoples of mediaeval Scandinavia, Africa was Bláland hit Mikla, or Great Blueland.

  27. @Colin Wright
    @syonredux

    'UK Blacks are much more violent than UK Whites...'

    Did I ever tell you that watercress does better in cool weather? That watermelon likes heat? That dogs chase cats?

    Any other exciting tips you want to share?

    Replies: @syonredux

    Sometimes ya gotta say the obvious thing. I’ve actually encountered Americans who think that Blacks in Canada and the UK have violent crime rates that are equal to those of their White compatriots.

    Heck, some Woke Whites in the USA don’t know that Blacks are responsible for roughly half of the homicides in America in any given year….

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    If your statistics are accurate then it would appear that UK blacks have homicide rates comparable to American hispanics.
    Isn't this precisely what Steve was fervently wishing for just a few days ago?
    Does it not suggest that the US black homicide rate can indeed be substantially reduced?
    Furthermore the black incarceration rate in the UK seems to be much lower than in the US.
    Casual googling suggests that it is about 25 to 30% of US rates on a per capita basis

    Replies: @syonredux, @martin_2

    , @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Dalrymple has done good work, but he has also served to spread this notion that poor whites in Britain are as stupid and dysfunctional as poor blacks, which of course isn't true. Not even close.

    However this idea that underclass dysfunction is all a matter of class, not race, is very popular. It's probably what has saved him from being cancelled. I assume he doesn't really believe it himself.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @martin_2
    @syonredux

    I have often read a comment by some foreign puddinghead - usually American, but sometimes an Aussie- on one or other Internet forum that apparently blacks in the UK are perfectly assimilated and their rate of violent crime is no different from that of whites. This is, of course, completely untrue. Blacks, like the Chinese, exhibit the same type of behaviour wherever they settle. This is the core argument for IQ differences between racial groups. Chinese, wherever they live, do all those things we associate with a high IQ group of people. Blacks, wherever they settle, do all those things we associate with a low IQ group.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. Grey

  28. So when did the English shift from their indigenous definition of “black,” meaning somebody swarthier than the typical Englishman, to the American definition, meaning somebody who, judging by their looks, has significant ancestry from south of the Sahara?

    When they discovered they could weaponize it against American whites.

  29. The New York Times won’t review Charles Murray, but has a full review of Tarantino’s novelization of his last movie.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/books/quentin-tarantino-once-upon-time-hollywood-novel.html

    • Replies: @fish
    @Anon

    Isn’t that a pretty good indicator as to how far the average New York Times reader has fallen?

  30. ‘…So when did the English shift from their indigenous definition of “black,” meaning somebody swarthier than the typical Englishman, to the American definition, meaning somebody who, judging by their looks, has significant ancestry from south of the Sahara?’

    I remember an internet debate with a European as late as 2000 when it transpired that while I thought of groups such as Armenians, Turks, etc as ‘white,’ he counted them as ‘black.’

    In general, Americans seem to have a somewhat more inclusive notion of whiteness than Europeans do. More like anyone who doesn’t have an epicanthic fold and could actually tan is white.

  31. There are a lot of Englishmen with the surname of “Black.”

    At one time– perhaps many times– the majority of Whites in major league baseball were black, and the majority of Blacks white.

    By the way, didn’t the English used to use…

    Use to use. We pedants who love the language as it was are disappointed in you, Steve. You were getting this right for a while, and now have relapsed. Didn’t used to is similar to should of/could of/would of— a homophone which is indetectable by the ear but quite ugly to the eye.

    • Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III
    @Reg Cæsar

    Steve used to do a lot of bad grammar. He still does, but he used to, too.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  32. @Trinity
    Blacks can now just claim they didn't receive a fair trial and be set free ala Bill Cosby.

    "Fair Trial?" As if Derek Chauvin and the Fields kid in Charlottesville ever had a prayer at receiving a fair trial?

    Speaking of trial, anyone heard about a trial date for the person who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    Replies: @Alden, @Lurker

    What have Bill Cosby and Sigmund Freud got in common?

    They both explored the unconscious.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Lurker

    Should we try the veal?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Lurker

    What is the difference between Cosby and Temple's mascot?


    https://owlsports.com/images/2009/11/25/Cosby_Bill_102108_Football_Ohio_002.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/b8/3b/f7b83bca4a2df5cf4f6bd80cb13c11bd.jpg

    Owls are carnivores. Cos preferred vegetables.

    Who would win in a fight? Stella, or Sammy?


    https://www.temple.edu/sites/www/files/styles/tu_is_image_embedded/public/images_embedded/20130914_Cheer_012.jpg?itok=0k2SugbA

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/98/d8/2b98d8808be454a1fd2b4b707ad803e7.gif

  33. Pixo says:
    @Trinity
    I guess even an English accent isn't powerful enough to defeat thuggery. Being proper and speaking the Black level of the Queen's English could be useful to thuggery. A British accent kind of puts one at ease, while the American Dindu dialect automatically puts one's guard up. Word.

    Replies: @Pixo

    -A British accent kind of puts one at ease-

    Afro-Englishmen tend to talk like Ali G, or sometimes Miss Cleo.

    While there’s a bit higher share of UK blacks with high IQs due to african brain drain, they lack the large share of churchgoing patriots with middle class values you see in US blacks outside central cities. Instead, there’s a huge hostility to whites and entitlement, fed by the much more generous UK welfare state.

    And a much larger share of UK blacks are Caribbeans on welfare or African illegal economic migrants rather than selective-migration Africans.

    Another negative on UK blacks is the malignant influence on them of the UK’s much larger hostile Muslim population.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  34. @Daniel H
    It's not uncommon for British journalists to refer to Black Brits as African American as the race of their national fellows.

    Brits wanted diversity/vibrancy and they have got it, big time.

    "But what can a poor boy to do,
    but to sing in a rock and roll band
    "cause in sleepy London down
    "there's just no place for a street fighting man."

    Replies: @Lurker

    Brits wanted diversity/vibrancy and they have got it, big time.

    There’s no evidence that the majority of Brits ever wanted this.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Lurker



    Brits wanted diversity/vibrancy and they have got it, big time.
     
    There’s no evidence that the majority of Brits ever wanted this.
     
    No, they wanted welfare. And got it. Diversity follows.
    , @James J O'Meara
    @Lurker

    No, but they (and the frogs) spent a hundred or so years sneering about how "racist" Americans were. And by "they" I mean Brits, Left and Right. Toffs like Kingsley Amis and Evelyn Waugh had lots of laughs about "rednecks" and how "racist" they were. (Read Amis disgusting public comments about his hosts at Vanderbilt University). Just like Republicans, they may have been "right wing" but at least they weren't "racist".

    Of course, that wasn't because they had no blacks to live with. Why, they just loved Miles Davis or Richard Wright. What's wrong with you Americans? Don't you like jazz?

    Now that they have to deal with millions of blacks and Muslims, let's see how well they handle it.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Graham, @Inselaffen

  35. In Orwell’s Burmese Days there’s a character who refers to the locals with the n word.

  36. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @Colin Wright

    Sometimes ya gotta say the obvious thing. I've actually encountered Americans who think that Blacks in Canada and the UK have violent crime rates that are equal to those of their White compatriots.

    Heck, some Woke Whites in the USA don't know that Blacks are responsible for roughly half of the homicides in America in any given year....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @martin_2

    If your statistics are accurate then it would appear that UK blacks have homicide rates comparable to American hispanics.
    Isn’t this precisely what Steve was fervently wishing for just a few days ago?
    Does it not suggest that the US black homicide rate can indeed be substantially reduced?
    Furthermore the black incarceration rate in the UK seems to be much lower than in the US.
    Casual googling suggests that it is about 25 to 30% of US rates on a per capita basis

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous

    Two takeaways:

    1. The Black homicide rate can be reduced. The UK Black rate is significantly lower than the US Black rate. For that matter, the homicide rate in Ghana is much lower than it is in Nigeria. Nigeria homicide rate in 2015: 9.85. Ghana homicide rate in 2017: 2.10.

    2. On the other hand, the UK Black rate is still much higher than the UK White rate, which indicates that getting the Black down to White levels (in either the US or the UK) is going to be quite difficult.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @martin_2
    @Anonymous

    It is far, far harder to get hold of guns in the UK. Most of the killings are with knives. This obviously will depress the murder rate.

  37. CJ says:

    In Canada and Britain a remand jail holds prisoners awaiting trial, yes, but that does not necessarily mean they have been denied bail. A judge at their preliminary hearing may have set a bail amount that they haven’t been able to come up with. The bail bondsman system is AFAIK unique to the USA. In other English-speaking countries they have to actually put up some money or have someone else with credit or collateral pledge to pay the bail (called a surety, akin to co-signing a bank loan). As a result relatively more accused are in “pre-trial detention” as it’s called in most Canadian provinces.

  38. @Lurker
    @Trinity

    What have Bill Cosby and Sigmund Freud got in common?

    They both explored the unconscious.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar

    Should we try the veal?

  39. @Lurker
    @Daniel H


    Brits wanted diversity/vibrancy and they have got it, big time.
     
    There's no evidence that the majority of Brits ever wanted this.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James J O'Meara

    Brits wanted diversity/vibrancy and they have got it, big time.

    There’s no evidence that the majority of Brits ever wanted this.

    No, they wanted welfare. And got it. Diversity follows.

  40. the takeaway is that London still has bail. so at least on one account Cuck Island is better than lots of US cities. though for how long it remains to be seen.

    if wonder if leftists could eventually even convince the British to give up the English language. and convince them to speak something else. technically this couldn’t happen at this point, because of globalism and English becoming the global language.

    but let’s say they start a serious project to get the Germans or the French or the Spanish to give up their language because it’s racist or something. the language of the oppressors. like forcing hebrews or african slaves or native americans to speak the language of their rulers.

    could they do it? i bet they could, in 50 years or so. i bet leftists could even get native Europeans to give up their languages in their own homeland nations. if assimilation campaigns can get people to give up their languages, why couldn’t some sort of communist leftist campaign do it. the current globalist communists are much more in power and control culturally than Soviet Communists were, who ‘only’ forced their subjugated nations to ALSO learn Russian, but not completely eliminate the local language, which they were still allowed to speak among themselves.

  41. @Lurker
    @Trinity

    What have Bill Cosby and Sigmund Freud got in common?

    They both explored the unconscious.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar

    What is the difference between Cosby and Temple’s mascot?

    Owls are carnivores. Cos preferred vegetables.

    Who would win in a fight? Stella, or Sammy?

  42. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    By the way, didn’t the English used to use “black” to mean pretty much everybody who isn’t pink? If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about
     
    .

    The wogs begin at Calais.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Reg Cæsar

    The wogs begin at Calais.

    They certainly do now!

    • LOL: LondonBob
  43. @syonredux
    There's an 18th century book that describes the people of the Hebrides as having a 'black complexion.'

    Replies: @syonredux, @Paul Jolliffe

    And with good reason – as late as Felix Mendelssohn’s time, the Outer Hebrides Islands were a dark and foreboding place. (And maybe still are!)

    His “Hebrides Overture” is both beautiful and hauntingly spooky:

  44. Diversity is our strength.

    • LOL: Trinity
  45. Winning !

    Seriously, who says blacks are underachievers?

  46. @Lurker
    @Daniel H


    Brits wanted diversity/vibrancy and they have got it, big time.
     
    There's no evidence that the majority of Brits ever wanted this.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James J O'Meara

    No, but they (and the frogs) spent a hundred or so years sneering about how “racist” Americans were. And by “they” I mean Brits, Left and Right. Toffs like Kingsley Amis and Evelyn Waugh had lots of laughs about “rednecks” and how “racist” they were. (Read Amis disgusting public comments about his hosts at Vanderbilt University). Just like Republicans, they may have been “right wing” but at least they weren’t “racist”.

    Of course, that wasn’t because they had no blacks to live with. Why, they just loved Miles Davis or Richard Wright. What’s wrong with you Americans? Don’t you like jazz?

    Now that they have to deal with millions of blacks and Muslims, let’s see how well they handle it.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @James J O'Meara


    Evelyn Waugh had lots of laughs about “rednecks” and how “racist” they were. (Read Amis disgusting public comments about his hosts at Vanderbilt University)
     
    Sadly Evelyn Waugh was simply disgusting in many ways, read his son’s comments on the rationed bananas.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @Graham
    @James J O'Meara

    Kingsley Amis certainly made some incorrect accusations about his kindly American hosts, and that was very wrong of him.

    But he was no toff. He was brought up in a relatively humble home in south London. He had a good education and ended up with a semi-posh accent, but I think you have to be born a toff. I'm prepared to admit that there is no international standard definition of 'toff'.

    Incidentally, Amis was quite happy to ridicule the English and even parody himself in the person of the hero of One Fat Englishman, which takes place in America.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @Inselaffen
    @James J O'Meara

    They're dead and gone, it's us and future descendants who have to deal with the mess that generation made (and boy is it shaping up to be one hell of a nightmare). Why be so be so keen to pick scabs over what a couple of silly old farts said 50+ years ago.

  47. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Yeah, it is important to remember is that terms like “black” were frequently used to describe people with Catherine Zeta-Jones-ish complexions:

    Duke of Somerset:


    Is of a middle stature, well shaped, a very black complexion, a lover of music and poetry; of good judgment [not a grain;hardly common sense];but by reason of a great hesitation in his speech wants expression. He is about forty-two years old.”
     
    And here’s the Duke of Somerset to whom Swift is referring:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Seymour,_6th_Duke_of_Somerset

    John Witaker’s description of John Spens:

    It was contrived by him, no doubt, in concurrence with one, who was commonly called Black
    John Spens, one of the Queen’s two Attornies General (Anderson, ii, 97), though a violent Protestant (Knox 338); who was probably engaged in the murder himself (Anderson i.48), who was certainly embarked in the rebellion afterwards (Keith, 452 and Goodall, ii. 370), and of whom, considering his black complexion and his anti-papistical spirit together, […]
     
    Mary Queen Of Scots Vindicated: In Three Volumes, Volume 1, pages 302-303.

    In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play
     
    William Lilly’s history of his life and times from the year 1602 to 1681, page 20

    A description of the inhabitants of the Western Isles of Scotland:

    The Inhabitants are generally well proportioned, and of a black Complexion; they speak only the Irish Tongue and use the Habit, Diet, and etc that is used in the Western Isles

    A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland: Containing a Full Account of Their Situation, Extent, Soils, Product, Harbours, Bays, Tides, Anchoring-places, and Fisheries. The Antient and Modern Government, Religion and Customs of the Inhabitants; Particularly of Their Druids, Heathen Temples, Monasteries, Churches, Chappels, Antiquities, Monuments, Forts, Caves, and Other Curiosities of Art and Nature: of Their Admirable and Expeditious Way of Curing Most Diseases by Simples of Their Own Product. A Particular Account of the Second Sight, Or Faculty of Foreseeing Things to Come, by Way of Vision, So Common Among Them. A Brief Hint of Methods to Improve Trade in that Country, Both by Sea and Land. With a New Map of the Whole, Describing the Harbours, Anchoring-places, and Dangerous Rocks, for the Benefit of Sailors. To which is Added, A Brief Description of the Isles of Orkney and Schetland
     
    page 248

    A description of Thomas, Earl of Ormonde:

    He was a very comely and graceful man, and of a black complexion, which gained him among the Irish the surname of Duffe
     
    A History of the Life of James Duke of Ormonde, Volume 1, page Lxiv

    Here’s Ormonde:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Butler,_10th_Earl_of_Ormond

    Doesn’t look very Negroid, does he?

    Replies: @Alden, @James J O'Meara, @AceDeuce, @OFWHAP, @J.Ross

    “In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play”

    Sound like a negro, alright.

  48. @Bill Jones

    By the way, didn’t the English used to use “black” to mean pretty much everybody who isn’t pink? If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about.
     
    The Jury is still out on the Irish.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @James Speaks, @RadicalCenter

    While we’re on the subject, I was quite advanced in years before I realized that “olive complexion” in Victorian novels was code for “Jewish” or “Levantine”.

  49. @Gamecock
    How many of these children are 28 years old?

    And have tattoos?

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    I always think of the MST3k episode riffing The Girl in Gold Boots, where the bad guy, played by the early middle aged Tom Pace, is constantly called a “young punk” or “kid” etc., leading the movie hosts to say things like “but he’s just a kid.”

  50. @216
    They do not belong in our lands.

    Their ancestors hated British colonialism, yet they are here.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson

    Allowing blacks to come to Britain was the greatest mistake in British history.

  51. @syonredux
    UK Blacks are much more violent than UK Whites:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/25/killings-of-black-people-in-england-and-wales-at-highest-level-for-decades

    Black people are more likely to be victims of homicide, the figures show. About 15% of all victims in the period were black, but only 3% of the general population are black. Sixty-four per cent of victims were white, while white people make up 85% of the general population.
     

    The figures also show black people are more likely to be perpetrators of homicide and murder. Approximately one in five – or 21% – of convicted suspects were black.
     

    In the three years to March last year, the average homicide rate per million population, at 49.5, was about five times higher for black people than white people, at 9.4. The rate of victimisation for black people has soared, a 70% increase when compared with the three years to March 2014.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/17/risk-in-england-and-wales-much-higher-for-black-people

    Black people in England and Wales are more than five times as likely as white people to be victims of homicide, new research shows.

     


    The study analysed the homicide rate for every 100,000 people for different ethnic groups in England and Wales, and found it had fluctuated over the last 20 years. In the early 2000s the number of black people killed was at its peak, at 10 people for every 100,000 of population. The rate then dropped to as low as three people per 100,000, and began to increase from 2013.
     

    Latest analysis put the homicide rate for black people at five for every 100,000 people, but it was even higher for black youngsters aged 16-24, who during the last 20 years were 10.6 times more likely to be killed than their white counterparts. Even more alarmingly, that had increased, and in 2018-19 young black people were 24 times more likely to be homicide victims than young white people.

     

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @anonymouseperson

    Blacks are more violent then anybody else. Period.

  52. Nah. The ancestor was a blacksmith.

  53. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    By the way, didn’t the English used to use “black” to mean pretty much everybody who isn’t pink? If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about
     
    .

    The wogs begin at Calais.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Reg Cæsar

    The wogs begin at Calais.

    That they do.

    (The claim is untrue. It’s not even the easternmost St Croix golf course in the U.S.)

  54. @Dave Pinsen
    In the first Flashman novel, George MacDonald Fraser has his protagonist refer to Indians as [the current most taboo word in English]s.

    Replies: @ic1000, @PiltdownMan, @John Derbyshire, @Neuday, @stillCARealist, @William Badwhite

    That’s right.

    In the 19th century, it was commonly used by the British in India to refer to Indians. Christopher Hibbert’s superb history of the Indian Mutiny of 1857 contains numerous direct quotes from Brits living in India in those days.

    Just click on the link to the book and do a word search if you’re curious. Of course, the book is worth a read in its entirety for its own sake, too.

    https://ia802802.us.archive.org/11/items/TheGreatMutinyIndia1857ChristopherHibbert/The%20Great%20Mutiny_%20India%201857%20-%20Christopher%20Hibbert.pdf

  55. So when did the English shift from their indigenous definition of “black,” meaning somebody swarthier than the typical Englishman, to the American definition, meaning somebody who, judging by their looks, has significant ancestry from south of the Sahara?

    Southall Black Sisters are a South Asian political group in the U.K.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southall_Black_Sisters

    During the 80s, Black started to mean African-descended people only. Old names only exist in the names of organisations, as in America with Colored People (NAACP) and Negro (UNCF).

  56. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    If your statistics are accurate then it would appear that UK blacks have homicide rates comparable to American hispanics.
    Isn't this precisely what Steve was fervently wishing for just a few days ago?
    Does it not suggest that the US black homicide rate can indeed be substantially reduced?
    Furthermore the black incarceration rate in the UK seems to be much lower than in the US.
    Casual googling suggests that it is about 25 to 30% of US rates on a per capita basis

    Replies: @syonredux, @martin_2

    Two takeaways:

    1. The Black homicide rate can be reduced. The UK Black rate is significantly lower than the US Black rate. For that matter, the homicide rate in Ghana is much lower than it is in Nigeria. Nigeria homicide rate in 2015: 9.85. Ghana homicide rate in 2017: 2.10.

    2. On the other hand, the UK Black rate is still much higher than the UK White rate, which indicates that getting the Black down to White levels (in either the US or the UK) is going to be quite difficult.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @syonredux

    Lower black homicide rate in the UK is probably because of gun ownership restrictions. It is just harder to murder people with knives or clubs. Allowing blacks in the US easy access to firearms has always seemed to me one of the stupidest examples of standing on principle I can think of.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Jonathan Mason

  57. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:

    A number of points:

    Amongst the child and juvenile age cohorts, the indigenous English are a small and vanishing minority of the London population, particularly in ‘inner London’, so that 13% figure is a real misnomer. Likely, the 26% left over of those not black ‘in remand’ are mostly of subcon and Arab descent.

    The British government is fully aware of the massive non white over representation in the UK prison system – the statistics for adult prisoners is likely similar – and goes to very great pains to conceal this truth from the public. I’m mightily surprised this statistic leaked out, probably it was spun on a ‘victimhood’ angle.

    Believe it or not, apologists for mass immigration to the UK back in the 1960s tried to claim that Afro Caribbean immigrants were ‘more law abiding'(!) than the native population.

    The obvious takeaway is that black immigration into European societies always but always inevitably leads to disaster.
    Sadly, but also inevitably, western politicians will pursue massive black immigration with vigor.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Anonymous


    Believe it or not, apologists for mass immigration to the UK back in the 1960s tried to claim that Afro Caribbean immigrants were ‘more law abiding'(!) than the native population.
     
    The infamous Profumo affair, ending in many ruined lives and a suicide, would almost certainly never have happened were it not for the violent Caribbean men Christine Keeler was in relationships with. The violent incidents came to a head when one of them fired shots at the house she was in when she refused to see him, and was charged with attempted murder. It was shortly after that that Keeler's connections with Profumo were revealed.
  58. If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about

    Being a black man used to mean having black hair, nothing more.

  59. @James J O'Meara
    @Lurker

    No, but they (and the frogs) spent a hundred or so years sneering about how "racist" Americans were. And by "they" I mean Brits, Left and Right. Toffs like Kingsley Amis and Evelyn Waugh had lots of laughs about "rednecks" and how "racist" they were. (Read Amis disgusting public comments about his hosts at Vanderbilt University). Just like Republicans, they may have been "right wing" but at least they weren't "racist".

    Of course, that wasn't because they had no blacks to live with. Why, they just loved Miles Davis or Richard Wright. What's wrong with you Americans? Don't you like jazz?

    Now that they have to deal with millions of blacks and Muslims, let's see how well they handle it.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Graham, @Inselaffen

    Evelyn Waugh had lots of laughs about “rednecks” and how “racist” they were. (Read Amis disgusting public comments about his hosts at Vanderbilt University)

    Sadly Evelyn Waugh was simply disgusting in many ways, read his son’s comments on the rationed bananas.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Gordo

    I remember marvelling over that. Auberon himself, on the other hand, was liked by practically everyone who knew him.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Graham

  60. It always amuses me how Jamaican immigrants in the US are seen as more civilised than native blacks, like Colin Powell, yet in Britain Jamaicans are notorious for being the very worst of the blacks. Maybe Britain got more Yardies, and the US the Jamaican elite, more likely explanation is native US blacks are just that bad, and I believe statistics show they are the worst of a very bad people.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @LondonBob

    Jamaica has one of the highest crime and murder rates in the world, so it's not surprising that a lot of Jamaicans leave home.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon

  61. @Bill Jones

    By the way, didn’t the English used to use “black” to mean pretty much everybody who isn’t pink? If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about.
     
    The Jury is still out on the Irish.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @James Speaks, @RadicalCenter

    The Jury is still out on the Irish.

    Let’s review. They are very musical as well as sociable, they like to drink, and am I missing something? Oh right, the fighting.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @James Speaks

    Anecdotally "Black Irish" supposedly referred to those descended from Spaniard survivors of the Armada who made it as far as Erins Isle on their way home.
    But who knows. maybe their 16th C plane from Wakanda crash landed there.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

  62. @James Speaks
    @Bill Jones

    The Jury is still out on the Irish.

    Let's review. They are very musical as well as sociable, they like to drink, and am I missing something? Oh right, the fighting.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Anecdotally “Black Irish” supposedly referred to those descended from Spaniard survivors of the Armada who made it as far as Erins Isle on their way home.
    But who knows. maybe their 16th C plane from Wakanda crash landed there.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Bill Jones

    Black hair is linked to Wales and Ireland, supposedly a remnant of Iberian travellers from ancient times.

  63. “Decently-educated” African medical doctors like Kwame Somuah-Boateng are notorious for sexual assaults on patients.

    The British ruling class is vile.

  64. OTish:

    Irish Olympic bosses must decide whether to ratify sprinter Leon Reid’s nomination for the Tokyo Games after he was among Athletics Ireland’s nominees.

    Reid, 26, is currently on bail after pleading not guilty to drugs and firearms charges in Bristol on 2 June.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/57667487

    He’s on bail, so probably not considered a flight risk.

  65. @Bill Jones
    @James Speaks

    Anecdotally "Black Irish" supposedly referred to those descended from Spaniard survivors of the Armada who made it as far as Erins Isle on their way home.
    But who knows. maybe their 16th C plane from Wakanda crash landed there.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Black hair is linked to Wales and Ireland, supposedly a remnant of Iberian travellers from ancient times.

  66. @Gordo
    @James J O'Meara


    Evelyn Waugh had lots of laughs about “rednecks” and how “racist” they were. (Read Amis disgusting public comments about his hosts at Vanderbilt University)
     
    Sadly Evelyn Waugh was simply disgusting in many ways, read his son’s comments on the rationed bananas.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I remember marvelling over that. Auberon himself, on the other hand, was liked by practically everyone who knew him.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Rob McX

    Except perhaps the population of Yorkshire.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @Graham
    @Rob McX

    I met Auberon Waugh a few times and can confirm that he was invariably courteous, friendly and polite to everybody. He restricted his hostile firepower to his journalism, which, he said, required great skill in the 'vituperative arts'.

  67. Somerset Maugham had a couple of characters refer to Malaysians as ‘black’ in the 1920s. It seems to have meant darker than an olive skin as far as I can tell. Arabs and Indians were ‘dusky’ or ‘swarthy’. I’ve wondered for some time why Indians weren’t generally described as black even though there are plenty of Indians as dark as any African* . Perhaps they were and I just haven’t read those sources.

    I’ve also seen a character described as burned black by the sun, by which they meant a really deep tan. By mid 20th century this had changed to ‘bronzed’. There was an influx of Caribbean blacks into England at that time so perhaps people didn’t want confusion as to what ‘black’ was referring to.

    Do the English still use ‘dark’ to mean someone with black or dark brown hair? I’ve seen this confuse Americans who assume it must mean a POC. It gets even more confusing because they can also refer to a brunette as ‘fair’, meaning they have pale skin.

    * some Indians are African, of course, and their dark skin may be due to ancestral intermarriage with the blacks. But Indian Indians can be very dark brown too.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @photondancer

    The use of the word black to describe people of African descent is relatively recent in England.

    Back in the 1950s or '60s the word colored was used to describe a variety of nonwhite races, and if you wanted to be specific you could use the word negro, which is just the Spanish word for black.

    The female form in English is negress, but negra in Spanish.

    , @Pessimist
    @photondancer

    Here's your money quote --Macauley, famously disparaging Frederick the Great, huffed "that in order he might steal from a neighbor," Frederick had started the Seven Years War, in which "red men scalped each other by the Great Lakes and black men killed each other in Coramandel [India]".

  68. Wasn’t there an old English saying that “wogs begin at
    Calais” ?
    Somewhat revealing of the British Imperial mind set. Of course, the English have hated the French for 1000 years — a feeling warmly reciprocited by the French. Some times there’s something almost endearing about such abiding mutual ill-will….

  69. @Anonymous
    A number of points:

    Amongst the child and juvenile age cohorts, the indigenous English are a small and vanishing minority of the London population, particularly in 'inner London', so that 13% figure is a real misnomer. Likely, the 26% left over of those not black 'in remand' are mostly of subcon and Arab descent.

    The British government is fully aware of the massive non white over representation in the UK prison system - the statistics for adult prisoners is likely similar - and goes to very great pains to conceal this truth from the public. I'm mightily surprised this statistic leaked out, probably it was spun on a 'victimhood' angle.

    Believe it or not, apologists for mass immigration to the UK back in the 1960s tried to claim that Afro Caribbean immigrants were 'more law abiding'(!) than the native population.

    The obvious takeaway is that black immigration into European societies always but always inevitably leads to disaster.
    Sadly, but also inevitably, western politicians will pursue massive black immigration with vigor.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Believe it or not, apologists for mass immigration to the UK back in the 1960s tried to claim that Afro Caribbean immigrants were ‘more law abiding'(!) than the native population.

    The infamous Profumo affair, ending in many ruined lives and a suicide, would almost certainly never have happened were it not for the violent Caribbean men Christine Keeler was in relationships with. The violent incidents came to a head when one of them fired shots at the house she was in when she refused to see him, and was charged with attempted murder. It was shortly after that that Keeler’s connections with Profumo were revealed.

    • Thanks: Charon
  70. @Dave Pinsen
    In the first Flashman novel, George MacDonald Fraser has his protagonist refer to Indians as [the current most taboo word in English]s.

    Replies: @ic1000, @PiltdownMan, @John Derbyshire, @Neuday, @stillCARealist, @William Badwhite

    Growing up in the English working class mid-20C, the rule was “the wogs start at Calais.” I’m not sure where the n’s started, but it wasn’t much further on.

    • Thanks: Dave Pinsen
  71. @Rob McX
    @Gordo

    I remember marvelling over that. Auberon himself, on the other hand, was liked by practically everyone who knew him.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Graham

    Except perhaps the population of Yorkshire.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Gordo

    He ridiculed just about everyone, not just Northerners.

  72. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Yeah, it is important to remember is that terms like “black” were frequently used to describe people with Catherine Zeta-Jones-ish complexions:

    Duke of Somerset:


    Is of a middle stature, well shaped, a very black complexion, a lover of music and poetry; of good judgment [not a grain;hardly common sense];but by reason of a great hesitation in his speech wants expression. He is about forty-two years old.”
     
    And here’s the Duke of Somerset to whom Swift is referring:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Seymour,_6th_Duke_of_Somerset

    John Witaker’s description of John Spens:

    It was contrived by him, no doubt, in concurrence with one, who was commonly called Black
    John Spens, one of the Queen’s two Attornies General (Anderson, ii, 97), though a violent Protestant (Knox 338); who was probably engaged in the murder himself (Anderson i.48), who was certainly embarked in the rebellion afterwards (Keith, 452 and Goodall, ii. 370), and of whom, considering his black complexion and his anti-papistical spirit together, […]
     
    Mary Queen Of Scots Vindicated: In Three Volumes, Volume 1, pages 302-303.

    In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play
     
    William Lilly’s history of his life and times from the year 1602 to 1681, page 20

    A description of the inhabitants of the Western Isles of Scotland:

    The Inhabitants are generally well proportioned, and of a black Complexion; they speak only the Irish Tongue and use the Habit, Diet, and etc that is used in the Western Isles

    A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland: Containing a Full Account of Their Situation, Extent, Soils, Product, Harbours, Bays, Tides, Anchoring-places, and Fisheries. The Antient and Modern Government, Religion and Customs of the Inhabitants; Particularly of Their Druids, Heathen Temples, Monasteries, Churches, Chappels, Antiquities, Monuments, Forts, Caves, and Other Curiosities of Art and Nature: of Their Admirable and Expeditious Way of Curing Most Diseases by Simples of Their Own Product. A Particular Account of the Second Sight, Or Faculty of Foreseeing Things to Come, by Way of Vision, So Common Among Them. A Brief Hint of Methods to Improve Trade in that Country, Both by Sea and Land. With a New Map of the Whole, Describing the Harbours, Anchoring-places, and Dangerous Rocks, for the Benefit of Sailors. To which is Added, A Brief Description of the Isles of Orkney and Schetland
     
    page 248

    A description of Thomas, Earl of Ormonde:

    He was a very comely and graceful man, and of a black complexion, which gained him among the Irish the surname of Duffe
     
    A History of the Life of James Duke of Ormonde, Volume 1, page Lxiv

    Here’s Ormonde:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Butler,_10th_Earl_of_Ormond

    Doesn’t look very Negroid, does he?

    Replies: @Alden, @James J O'Meara, @AceDeuce, @OFWHAP, @J.Ross

    Don’t forget the most famous instance of this in English literature– in the King James Bible-The Song of Solomon 1:5

    “I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon…”

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @AceDeuce

    I wonder if anyone has looked into how many Christians assume that therefore the Queen of Sheba must have been SSH African? My guess is that it would be a very high percentage.

  73. @Coemgen
    In the Gaelic dialects, referring to someone as being black means a white person with black hair. Negroes are referred to as being blue (see Irish, Scottish. I’m ignorant of British dialects (e.g., Welsh) but it’s likely they have a similar way of describing persons by color.

    https://www.faclair.com/ViewDictionaryEntry.aspx?ID=35592B70ACFEBA417DE73B498E2000A7

    Replies: @Graham

    And, to the peoples of mediaeval Scandinavia, Africa was Bláland hit Mikla, or Great Blueland.

  74. @James J O'Meara
    @Lurker

    No, but they (and the frogs) spent a hundred or so years sneering about how "racist" Americans were. And by "they" I mean Brits, Left and Right. Toffs like Kingsley Amis and Evelyn Waugh had lots of laughs about "rednecks" and how "racist" they were. (Read Amis disgusting public comments about his hosts at Vanderbilt University). Just like Republicans, they may have been "right wing" but at least they weren't "racist".

    Of course, that wasn't because they had no blacks to live with. Why, they just loved Miles Davis or Richard Wright. What's wrong with you Americans? Don't you like jazz?

    Now that they have to deal with millions of blacks and Muslims, let's see how well they handle it.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Graham, @Inselaffen

    Kingsley Amis certainly made some incorrect accusations about his kindly American hosts, and that was very wrong of him.

    But he was no toff. He was brought up in a relatively humble home in south London. He had a good education and ended up with a semi-posh accent, but I think you have to be born a toff. I’m prepared to admit that there is no international standard definition of ‘toff’.

    Incidentally, Amis was quite happy to ridicule the English and even parody himself in the person of the hero of One Fat Englishman, which takes place in America.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Graham

    Kingsley Amis was also Jewish, likely of Portuguese descent from way back. So, not toff or posh, unless they married into nobility.

    Replies: @BB753, @YetAnotherAnon

  75. @Reg Cæsar

    There are a lot of Englishmen with the surname of “Black.”
     
    At one time-- perhaps many times-- the majority of Whites in major league baseball were black, and the majority of Blacks white.

    By the way, didn’t the English used to use...
     
    Use to use. We pedants who love the language as it was are disappointed in you, Steve. You were getting this right for a while, and now have relapsed. Didn't used to is similar to should of/could of/would of-- a homophone which is indetectable by the ear but quite ugly to the eye.

    Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III

    Steve used to do a lot of bad grammar. He still does, but he used to, too.

    • LOL: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Whitey Whiteman III

    Steve used to do a lot of bad grammar. He still does, but he used to, too.

    Ah, the late Mitch Hedberg. I still miss him. (His line was "I used to do drugs. I mean I still do, but I used to also.")

  76. @Rob McX
    @Gordo

    I remember marvelling over that. Auberon himself, on the other hand, was liked by practically everyone who knew him.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Graham

    I met Auberon Waugh a few times and can confirm that he was invariably courteous, friendly and polite to everybody. He restricted his hostile firepower to his journalism, which, he said, required great skill in the ‘vituperative arts’.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
  77. Furthermore the black incarceration rate in the UK seems to be much lower than in the US.

    The overall incarceration rate is around eight times as high in the US as it is in Britain.

  78. @Gordo
    @Rob McX

    Except perhaps the population of Yorkshire.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    He ridiculed just about everyone, not just Northerners.

  79. @Anon
    The New York Times won't review Charles Murray, but has a full review of Tarantino's novelization of his last movie.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/books/quentin-tarantino-once-upon-time-hollywood-novel.html

    Replies: @fish

    Isn’t that a pretty good indicator as to how far the average New York Times reader has fallen?

  80. >Back in the early 1990s when I first got on the Internet, there was an Afrocentrist fad among African-Americans: blacks built the Pyramids, and things like that. I noticed that a lot of the scholarly works they cited in evidence tended to be old books from Oxford professors in 1900 saying things like “blacks built the Pyramids.” In other words, American Afrocentrists tended to be sincere but not aware of how the English used the word “black” a century ago.

    Steve, you are overlooking the linchpin book of that movement, the Brit Martin Bernal’s Black Athena published in 1987. Bernal was a scholar of Chinese civilization. Mary Lefkowitz, a Wellesley College professor of classics published her Not out of Africa which argued against such a preposterous theory in 1996 and was sued for libel by Tony Martin an academic who argued that the jews were the real slave traders.

  81. @photondancer
    Somerset Maugham had a couple of characters refer to Malaysians as 'black' in the 1920s. It seems to have meant darker than an olive skin as far as I can tell. Arabs and Indians were 'dusky' or 'swarthy'. I've wondered for some time why Indians weren't generally described as black even though there are plenty of Indians as dark as any African* . Perhaps they were and I just haven't read those sources.

    I've also seen a character described as burned black by the sun, by which they meant a really deep tan. By mid 20th century this had changed to 'bronzed'. There was an influx of Caribbean blacks into England at that time so perhaps people didn't want confusion as to what 'black' was referring to.

    Do the English still use 'dark' to mean someone with black or dark brown hair? I've seen this confuse Americans who assume it must mean a POC. It gets even more confusing because they can also refer to a brunette as 'fair', meaning they have pale skin.

    * some Indians are African, of course, and their dark skin may be due to ancestral intermarriage with the blacks. But Indian Indians can be very dark brown too.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Pessimist

    The use of the word black to describe people of African descent is relatively recent in England.

    Back in the 1950s or ’60s the word colored was used to describe a variety of nonwhite races, and if you wanted to be specific you could use the word negro, which is just the Spanish word for black.

    The female form in English is negress, but negra in Spanish.

  82. Blacks no more belong in England than kangaroos.

    Don’t hate the messenger, it’s Not-Magic Soil who said it.

  83. @LondonBob
    It always amuses me how Jamaican immigrants in the US are seen as more civilised than native blacks, like Colin Powell, yet in Britain Jamaicans are notorious for being the very worst of the blacks. Maybe Britain got more Yardies, and the US the Jamaican elite, more likely explanation is native US blacks are just that bad, and I believe statistics show they are the worst of a very bad people.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Jamaica has one of the highest crime and murder rates in the world, so it’s not surprising that a lot of Jamaicans leave home.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jamaica has one of the highest crime and murder rates in the world, so it’s not surprising that a lot of Jamaicans leave home.

    And mirabile dictu these rates seem to follow them to their new homes. It's like someone is out to get them. As Pogo would have it "We have met the enemy and he is us."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jonathan Mason


    Jamaica!

    The Land of Wood and Water

    Now becomes motor vehicle and manslaughter
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xZ1lv0T53M

    Replies: @BB753

  84. @Dave Pinsen
    In the first Flashman novel, George MacDonald Fraser has his protagonist refer to Indians as [the current most taboo word in English]s.

    Replies: @ic1000, @PiltdownMan, @John Derbyshire, @Neuday, @stillCARealist, @William Badwhite

    Once convicted of a violent crime, a Black person should lose the privilege of not being called n!663r. They might come to consider it a badge of honor, but for some it might bring some clarity for those in the Black community who think it’s time for them to just stop being so damned violent. I can see the billboards and the PSA’s now “Don’t be a . . . ”

  85. @Whitey Whiteman III
    @Reg Cæsar

    Steve used to do a lot of bad grammar. He still does, but he used to, too.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Steve used to do a lot of bad grammar. He still does, but he used to, too.

    Ah, the late Mitch Hedberg. I still miss him. (His line was “I used to do drugs. I mean I still do, but I used to also.”)

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  86. @Jonathan Mason
    @LondonBob

    Jamaica has one of the highest crime and murder rates in the world, so it's not surprising that a lot of Jamaicans leave home.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon

    Jamaica has one of the highest crime and murder rates in the world, so it’s not surprising that a lot of Jamaicans leave home.

    And mirabile dictu these rates seem to follow them to their new homes. It’s like someone is out to get them. As Pogo would have it “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @kaganovitch

    I think it is usually the second generation Jamaican immigrants who get into legal trouble as they revert to type when they find that they are not able to function well in their adopted home country.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  87. @Dave Pinsen
    In the first Flashman novel, George MacDonald Fraser has his protagonist refer to Indians as [the current most taboo word in English]s.

    Replies: @ic1000, @PiltdownMan, @John Derbyshire, @Neuday, @stillCARealist, @William Badwhite

    Dorothy Sayers has the word coming from Lord Peter Wimsey’s mouth in one of her books, in reference to Indians.

  88. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:

    Russians still habitually refer to Chechens, Azeris, Armenians, Georgians, Arabs etc as ‘blacks’.

    • Replies: @Canadian Observer
    @Anonymous

    Russians will also often refer to the non-Russians in their empire as "Tajiks".

  89. A big majority of black people in Londom are of direct African descent. They are usually the product of extremely selected migration. You are not going to be able to afford a plane ticket as an average person from a country where the average salary is a few hundred Dollars a year. Nevermind that substantial majorities don’t even get “salaries”.

    These crime statistics therefore cause me to feel ​extremely pessimistic about many countries’ futures. It is as if only the children of expensive US private schools had moved to London and still accounted for a ridiculously disproportionate amount of the crime.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "You are not going to be able to afford a plane ticket as an average person from a country where the average salary is a few hundred Dollars a year. "

    Not so. Someone (or your family) lends you the money, you pay it back. How do so many Somalis and Congolese end up in Birmingham or London?

    Africans in the UK are by no means all educated Igbos or Ashantis.

    “In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190328225442/http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/how-londons-knife-culture-is-being-fueled-by-jargon-social-media-and-music-a3579396.html

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  90. @James J O'Meara
    @Lurker

    No, but they (and the frogs) spent a hundred or so years sneering about how "racist" Americans were. And by "they" I mean Brits, Left and Right. Toffs like Kingsley Amis and Evelyn Waugh had lots of laughs about "rednecks" and how "racist" they were. (Read Amis disgusting public comments about his hosts at Vanderbilt University). Just like Republicans, they may have been "right wing" but at least they weren't "racist".

    Of course, that wasn't because they had no blacks to live with. Why, they just loved Miles Davis or Richard Wright. What's wrong with you Americans? Don't you like jazz?

    Now that they have to deal with millions of blacks and Muslims, let's see how well they handle it.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Graham, @Inselaffen

    They’re dead and gone, it’s us and future descendants who have to deal with the mess that generation made (and boy is it shaping up to be one hell of a nightmare). Why be so be so keen to pick scabs over what a couple of silly old farts said 50+ years ago.

  91. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @Colin Wright

    Sometimes ya gotta say the obvious thing. I've actually encountered Americans who think that Blacks in Canada and the UK have violent crime rates that are equal to those of their White compatriots.

    Heck, some Woke Whites in the USA don't know that Blacks are responsible for roughly half of the homicides in America in any given year....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @martin_2

    Dalrymple has done good work, but he has also served to spread this notion that poor whites in Britain are as stupid and dysfunctional as poor blacks, which of course isn’t true. Not even close.

    However this idea that underclass dysfunction is all a matter of class, not race, is very popular. It’s probably what has saved him from being cancelled. I assume he doesn’t really believe it himself.

    • Agree: LondonBob, Rob McX
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous

    Cf Thomas Sowell's moronic notion that Blacks in the USA are violent because they were exposed to White rednecks.

  92. @syonredux
    @Anonymous

    Two takeaways:

    1. The Black homicide rate can be reduced. The UK Black rate is significantly lower than the US Black rate. For that matter, the homicide rate in Ghana is much lower than it is in Nigeria. Nigeria homicide rate in 2015: 9.85. Ghana homicide rate in 2017: 2.10.

    2. On the other hand, the UK Black rate is still much higher than the UK White rate, which indicates that getting the Black down to White levels (in either the US or the UK) is going to be quite difficult.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Lower black homicide rate in the UK is probably because of gun ownership restrictions. It is just harder to murder people with knives or clubs. Allowing blacks in the US easy access to firearms has always seemed to me one of the stupidest examples of standing on principle I can think of.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Not Raul
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Peter Akuleyev

    That definitely plays a big part. Blacks like the kind of weapon you can use while driving by in your car, or at least one that doesn't require too much exertion.

    As I said in an earlier post, Britain only incarcerates one-eighth as many people as the US, but one offence that's guaranteed to land you in prison is possession of even the most rudimentary firearm.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The prevailing wisdom in the United States is that the more guns you have the less murders you have, because people can protect themselves.

    However the incidence of people shooting themselves in the foot is much higher than elsewhere.

    In other good news for the US "justice" system, Bill Cosby has been released from prison because an idiot judge allowed a bunch of women to badmouth him in court and make allegations of rape for which he was not on trial, and could not be on trial since the statute of limitations had expired.

    There are new moves afoot to rename the Justice Department the Department of Show Trials and Spectacles and for judges to be given additional performing arts training.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  93. @Peter Akuleyev
    @syonredux

    Lower black homicide rate in the UK is probably because of gun ownership restrictions. It is just harder to murder people with knives or clubs. Allowing blacks in the US easy access to firearms has always seemed to me one of the stupidest examples of standing on principle I can think of.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Jonathan Mason

    That definitely plays a big part. Blacks like the kind of weapon you can use while driving by in your car, or at least one that doesn’t require too much exertion.

    As I said in an earlier post, Britain only incarcerates one-eighth as many people as the US, but one offence that’s guaranteed to land you in prison is possession of even the most rudimentary firearm.

  94. @Dave Pinsen
    In the first Flashman novel, George MacDonald Fraser has his protagonist refer to Indians as [the current most taboo word in English]s.

    Replies: @ic1000, @PiltdownMan, @John Derbyshire, @Neuday, @stillCARealist, @William Badwhite

    In the first Flashman novel

    In another one (I forget which) he explains the world’s races as consisting of “Englishmen, Frenchmen, and [worst word ever]s”

    In the one about the Taiping Rebellion, he even refers to the Chinese by that word

  95. @Peter Akuleyev
    @syonredux

    Lower black homicide rate in the UK is probably because of gun ownership restrictions. It is just harder to murder people with knives or clubs. Allowing blacks in the US easy access to firearms has always seemed to me one of the stupidest examples of standing on principle I can think of.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Jonathan Mason

    The prevailing wisdom in the United States is that the more guns you have the less murders you have, because people can protect themselves.

    However the incidence of people shooting themselves in the foot is much higher than elsewhere.

    In other good news for the US “justice” system, Bill Cosby has been released from prison because an idiot judge allowed a bunch of women to badmouth him in court and make allegations of rape for which he was not on trial, and could not be on trial since the statute of limitations had expired.

    There are new moves afoot to rename the Justice Department the Department of Show Trials and Spectacles and for judges to be given additional performing arts training.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    My prevailing wisdom is if Team Brown has guns, then hell yes I am going to have them, and I don't care how many members of Team Brown shoot each other with them.

  96. @kaganovitch
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jamaica has one of the highest crime and murder rates in the world, so it’s not surprising that a lot of Jamaicans leave home.

    And mirabile dictu these rates seem to follow them to their new homes. It's like someone is out to get them. As Pogo would have it "We have met the enemy and he is us."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I think it is usually the second generation Jamaican immigrants who get into legal trouble as they revert to type when they find that they are not able to function well in their adopted home country.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is something to that. I think Mark Steyn has often noted that second generation Muslim immigrants tend to embrace radical Islam much more so than first gen.

    Replies: @HA

  97. That’s hilarious about the etiology of We Wuz Kangs. And it makes sense. Kind of like melanin versus melatonin.

    Time for another relative risk calculation:

    We have 1000 people, 130 are black and 870 are non-black. 100 crimes are committed. The blacks therefore have a crime rate of 74/130 or .569. The non-blacks have a crime rate of 26/870 or .03. This means that the black crime rate is 19 times that of non-blacks.*

    Absent a smoking-gun environmental cause, such as a 50-year-pack smoking habit in one population vs abstention in another, relative risks that high are prima facie evidence of a strong genetic cause.

    There are a lot of Englishmen with the surname of “Black.” Presumably, they had an ancestor c. 1300 when surnames were being chosen who had dark hair or tanned skin.

    Or they were smiths and dropped the smith part. Or they were in finance.

    *The numbers are contrived but it doesn’t matter as long as it produces the correct relative ratios, and it does. The populations can be multipled by C₁ and crime counts by C₂ to get the actual numbers. The black:non-black ratios will remain constant because (C₁/C₂)/(C₁/C₂) = 1.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Negrolphin Pool

    '...Absent a smoking-gun environmental cause, such as a 50-year-pack smoking habit in one population vs abstention in another, relative risks that high are prima facie evidence of a strong genetic cause...'

    One element that would be mildly interesting -- if difficult -- to ascertain would be to what extent the percentage of black DNA affects criminality.

    Controlling for socio-economic status, how likely is a quadroon to commit a crime as compared to a full-on, 100% black black? Is Oprah Winfrey more or less likely than Meghan Markle to steal the silverware?

  98. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Yeah, it is important to remember is that terms like “black” were frequently used to describe people with Catherine Zeta-Jones-ish complexions:

    Duke of Somerset:


    Is of a middle stature, well shaped, a very black complexion, a lover of music and poetry; of good judgment [not a grain;hardly common sense];but by reason of a great hesitation in his speech wants expression. He is about forty-two years old.”
     
    And here’s the Duke of Somerset to whom Swift is referring:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Seymour,_6th_Duke_of_Somerset

    John Witaker’s description of John Spens:

    It was contrived by him, no doubt, in concurrence with one, who was commonly called Black
    John Spens, one of the Queen’s two Attornies General (Anderson, ii, 97), though a violent Protestant (Knox 338); who was probably engaged in the murder himself (Anderson i.48), who was certainly embarked in the rebellion afterwards (Keith, 452 and Goodall, ii. 370), and of whom, considering his black complexion and his anti-papistical spirit together, […]
     
    Mary Queen Of Scots Vindicated: In Three Volumes, Volume 1, pages 302-303.

    In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play
     
    William Lilly’s history of his life and times from the year 1602 to 1681, page 20

    A description of the inhabitants of the Western Isles of Scotland:

    The Inhabitants are generally well proportioned, and of a black Complexion; they speak only the Irish Tongue and use the Habit, Diet, and etc that is used in the Western Isles

    A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland: Containing a Full Account of Their Situation, Extent, Soils, Product, Harbours, Bays, Tides, Anchoring-places, and Fisheries. The Antient and Modern Government, Religion and Customs of the Inhabitants; Particularly of Their Druids, Heathen Temples, Monasteries, Churches, Chappels, Antiquities, Monuments, Forts, Caves, and Other Curiosities of Art and Nature: of Their Admirable and Expeditious Way of Curing Most Diseases by Simples of Their Own Product. A Particular Account of the Second Sight, Or Faculty of Foreseeing Things to Come, by Way of Vision, So Common Among Them. A Brief Hint of Methods to Improve Trade in that Country, Both by Sea and Land. With a New Map of the Whole, Describing the Harbours, Anchoring-places, and Dangerous Rocks, for the Benefit of Sailors. To which is Added, A Brief Description of the Isles of Orkney and Schetland
     
    page 248

    A description of Thomas, Earl of Ormonde:

    He was a very comely and graceful man, and of a black complexion, which gained him among the Irish the surname of Duffe
     
    A History of the Life of James Duke of Ormonde, Volume 1, page Lxiv

    Here’s Ormonde:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Butler,_10th_Earl_of_Ormond

    Doesn’t look very Negroid, does he?

    Replies: @Alden, @James J O'Meara, @AceDeuce, @OFWHAP, @J.Ross

    If Catherine Zeta-Jones is black, then I’ve got jungle fever!!!

  99. @Graham
    @James J O'Meara

    Kingsley Amis certainly made some incorrect accusations about his kindly American hosts, and that was very wrong of him.

    But he was no toff. He was brought up in a relatively humble home in south London. He had a good education and ended up with a semi-posh accent, but I think you have to be born a toff. I'm prepared to admit that there is no international standard definition of 'toff'.

    Incidentally, Amis was quite happy to ridicule the English and even parody himself in the person of the hero of One Fat Englishman, which takes place in America.

    Replies: @BB753

    Kingsley Amis was also Jewish, likely of Portuguese descent from way back. So, not toff or posh, unless they married into nobility.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @BB753
    @BB753

    What do you disagree with, YetAnotherAnon?

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @BB753

    "Kingsley Amis was also Jewish"

    First I (or anyone else) have heard of it.

  100. @Jonathan Mason
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The prevailing wisdom in the United States is that the more guns you have the less murders you have, because people can protect themselves.

    However the incidence of people shooting themselves in the foot is much higher than elsewhere.

    In other good news for the US "justice" system, Bill Cosby has been released from prison because an idiot judge allowed a bunch of women to badmouth him in court and make allegations of rape for which he was not on trial, and could not be on trial since the statute of limitations had expired.

    There are new moves afoot to rename the Justice Department the Department of Show Trials and Spectacles and for judges to be given additional performing arts training.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    My prevailing wisdom is if Team Brown has guns, then hell yes I am going to have them, and I don’t care how many members of Team Brown shoot each other with them.

  101. @James N. Kennett
    From the LBC story:

    An even higher percentage, 88%, or nearly 9 out of 10 children were from black or other minority ethnic backgrounds.
     
    Diversity - the gift that keeps on giving.

    Director of Transform Justice, Penelope Gibbs, said: “I think it’s shocking, and we should remain shocked by these kinds of things.

    It’s probably the highest disproportionality rate that I’ve seen in the whole of the criminal justice system. We’re talking about children who have not been convicted of a crime, and may never be convicted.”
     
    These "children" are under 18, but may be 6 feet tall and powerfully built. Ms Gibbs carefully avoids telling us what crimes they are typically charged with - but it is not possession of small quantities of marijuana.

    One definite injustice is that, even if convicted, the person may not be given a custodial sentence - not even "time served" - which implies that remand in custody was inappropriate. But apart from that, the best way to avoid custody is not to commit crimes.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >head of a black advocacy outfit
    >named Gibbs
    You can’t make this stuff up.

  102. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Yeah, it is important to remember is that terms like “black” were frequently used to describe people with Catherine Zeta-Jones-ish complexions:

    Duke of Somerset:


    Is of a middle stature, well shaped, a very black complexion, a lover of music and poetry; of good judgment [not a grain;hardly common sense];but by reason of a great hesitation in his speech wants expression. He is about forty-two years old.”
     
    And here’s the Duke of Somerset to whom Swift is referring:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Seymour,_6th_Duke_of_Somerset

    John Witaker’s description of John Spens:

    It was contrived by him, no doubt, in concurrence with one, who was commonly called Black
    John Spens, one of the Queen’s two Attornies General (Anderson, ii, 97), though a violent Protestant (Knox 338); who was probably engaged in the murder himself (Anderson i.48), who was certainly embarked in the rebellion afterwards (Keith, 452 and Goodall, ii. 370), and of whom, considering his black complexion and his anti-papistical spirit together, […]
     
    Mary Queen Of Scots Vindicated: In Three Volumes, Volume 1, pages 302-303.

    In the fourteenth year of my age, by a fellow scholar of swarth, black complexion, I had like to have my right eye beaten out as we were at play
     
    William Lilly’s history of his life and times from the year 1602 to 1681, page 20

    A description of the inhabitants of the Western Isles of Scotland:

    The Inhabitants are generally well proportioned, and of a black Complexion; they speak only the Irish Tongue and use the Habit, Diet, and etc that is used in the Western Isles

    A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland: Containing a Full Account of Their Situation, Extent, Soils, Product, Harbours, Bays, Tides, Anchoring-places, and Fisheries. The Antient and Modern Government, Religion and Customs of the Inhabitants; Particularly of Their Druids, Heathen Temples, Monasteries, Churches, Chappels, Antiquities, Monuments, Forts, Caves, and Other Curiosities of Art and Nature: of Their Admirable and Expeditious Way of Curing Most Diseases by Simples of Their Own Product. A Particular Account of the Second Sight, Or Faculty of Foreseeing Things to Come, by Way of Vision, So Common Among Them. A Brief Hint of Methods to Improve Trade in that Country, Both by Sea and Land. With a New Map of the Whole, Describing the Harbours, Anchoring-places, and Dangerous Rocks, for the Benefit of Sailors. To which is Added, A Brief Description of the Isles of Orkney and Schetland
     
    page 248

    A description of Thomas, Earl of Ormonde:

    He was a very comely and graceful man, and of a black complexion, which gained him among the Irish the surname of Duffe
     
    A History of the Life of James Duke of Ormonde, Volume 1, page Lxiv

    Here’s Ormonde:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Butler,_10th_Earl_of_Ormond

    Doesn’t look very Negroid, does he?

    Replies: @Alden, @James J O'Meara, @AceDeuce, @OFWHAP, @J.Ross

    And also that Erik guy was neither Martian nor Marxian.

  103. So when did the English shift from their indigenous definition of “black,” meaning somebody swarthier than the typical Englishman, to the American definition, meaning somebody who, judging by their looks, has significant ancestry from south of the Sahara?

    I have not got time to marshal a body of evidence, but it is my strong impression that, in serious scholarly writing on subjects like diseases which affect the races differently, “black” replaced “negro” in the course of the 1960s, and that “black” was once considered mildly offensive.

  104. @syonredux
    @Colin Wright

    Sometimes ya gotta say the obvious thing. I've actually encountered Americans who think that Blacks in Canada and the UK have violent crime rates that are equal to those of their White compatriots.

    Heck, some Woke Whites in the USA don't know that Blacks are responsible for roughly half of the homicides in America in any given year....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @martin_2

    I have often read a comment by some foreign puddinghead – usually American, but sometimes an Aussie- on one or other Internet forum that apparently blacks in the UK are perfectly assimilated and their rate of violent crime is no different from that of whites. This is, of course, completely untrue. Blacks, like the Chinese, exhibit the same type of behaviour wherever they settle. This is the core argument for IQ differences between racial groups. Chinese, wherever they live, do all those things we associate with a high IQ group of people. Blacks, wherever they settle, do all those things we associate with a low IQ group.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @martin_2

    "Chinese, wherever they live, do all those things we associate with a high IQ group of people."

    Some of them also do other things, like hi-tech cheating on citizenship tests, or stripping beaches of shellfish for a restaurant. As Steve has pointed out, the last thing we need are high-IQ scoundrels.

    I occasionally read landlord forums in the UK, a great way of checking out what's happening in cities that doesn't make the headlines. A couple of years back I read about a lady who rented out her nice two-bedroom flat by Victoria Station, and discovered that her Chinese tenant had fitted 12 bunk beds and was advertising it to backpackers from China as a hostel.

    It's true though that when Jesse Jackson's walking to the ATM and hears footsteps behind him, he's relieved to turn and see Chinese people.

    Meanwhile in the New Model British Army


    How it started

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13519422/fishermans-son-jamaica-first-black-queen-bodyguard/


    "A fisherman's son from Jamaica is set to become the first black Regimental Sergeant Major in the Queen’s elite bodyguards.

    Kirtland Gill, 40, will be the most senior enlisted soldier in the Coldstream Guards when officially promoted next year."
     
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44436520

    'I'm glad I was the first guardsman to wear a turban'

    Coldstream Guards soldier Charanpreet Singh Lall reflects on wearing his turban during the Trooping the Colour parade.

    He was one of around 1,000 soldiers who took part in the ceremony marking the Queen's official birthday on Saturday.
     
    How it's going

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/coldstream-guards-charged-selling-ammunition-kirtland-gill-b943632.html

    Two serving members of the elite Coldstream Guards will deny claims that they plotted to sell ammunition to an undercover police officer, a court heard on Thursday.

    Kirtland Gill, 40, and Rajon Graham, 32, are accused of working together in a conspiracy to sell 300 bullets for a 9mm luger pistol in December 2020 and January this year.

    Gill, who also faces a separate weapons charge, was announced in December as the first black soldier to lead the Coldstream Guards as its Regimental Sergeant Major.

     

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7337783/first-sikh-guardsman-positive-cocaine/

    A Sikh who was the first Coldstream Guardsman to wear a turban at Trooping the Colour faces being kicked out after testing positive for cocaine.

     

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Mr. Grey
    @martin_2

    Compare Hong Kong or Singapore to Jamaica or Haiti. Singapore was a tiny fishing village when the British chose the location to build a port.

  105. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    If your statistics are accurate then it would appear that UK blacks have homicide rates comparable to American hispanics.
    Isn't this precisely what Steve was fervently wishing for just a few days ago?
    Does it not suggest that the US black homicide rate can indeed be substantially reduced?
    Furthermore the black incarceration rate in the UK seems to be much lower than in the US.
    Casual googling suggests that it is about 25 to 30% of US rates on a per capita basis

    Replies: @syonredux, @martin_2

    It is far, far harder to get hold of guns in the UK. Most of the killings are with knives. This obviously will depress the murder rate.

  106. Reg Caesar — Yep correct Word Man re baseball
    Roy White / black Bud Black / white 1985 great baseball year and World Series of course !

    Remember The Bloodhound Gang song The Bad Touch
    “I’m not black like Barry White I am white like Frank Black is” Catchy tune if there ever was one

    My Dad was raised by Irish Catholic sisters who took in foster kids — not nuns though he was raised by those Sisters too — who refered to Black Protestants No insult simply a description because of their hat color I’m guessing
    Derby or Bowler type like in Belfast Could just be an American Top Hat though

    This whole thread is confusing as Hell LOL

  107. Meant Frank White of the Royals —not Roy White . He was out of the majors by 1985 , I believe.

  108. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Dalrymple has done good work, but he has also served to spread this notion that poor whites in Britain are as stupid and dysfunctional as poor blacks, which of course isn't true. Not even close.

    However this idea that underclass dysfunction is all a matter of class, not race, is very popular. It's probably what has saved him from being cancelled. I assume he doesn't really believe it himself.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Cf Thomas Sowell’s moronic notion that Blacks in the USA are violent because they were exposed to White rednecks.

  109. @Jonathan Mason
    @kaganovitch

    I think it is usually the second generation Jamaican immigrants who get into legal trouble as they revert to type when they find that they are not able to function well in their adopted home country.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    There is something to that. I think Mark Steyn has often noted that second generation Muslim immigrants tend to embrace radical Islam much more so than first gen.

    • Replies: @HA
    @kaganovitch

    "Mark Steyn has often noted that second generation Muslim immigrants tend to embrace radical Islam much more so than first gen."

    Thomas Friedman managed to say something sensible about that as well (despite being Thomas Friedman, I mean). He noted that first generation immigrants were more likely to be grateful to America or the UK or France for taking them in (and realized their officials were marshmallows compared to the secret police and "interrogators" from the home country), and they were regarded as success stories by their extended families.

    Whereas their sons have no awareness of what really went on back in Egypt or Syria, and realize that they've grown up in a ghetto and that the best they can hope for is to become working-class taxi drivers like their fathers, and so resentment ensues.

    And as Steve Sailer has pointed out, the prime terrorism bracket is young males, and once upon a time the West typically waited till a man was grown and had a family before encouraging him to move to Germany or wherever, which meant that it was his son who would be the most likely to be recruited to terrorist causes.

  110. @AceDeuce
    @syonredux

    Don't forget the most famous instance of this in English literature-- in the King James Bible-The Song of Solomon 1:5

    "I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon..."

    Replies: @photondancer

    I wonder if anyone has looked into how many Christians assume that therefore the Queen of Sheba must have been SSH African? My guess is that it would be a very high percentage.

  111. anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    The dark-haired and relatively dark-skinned Flashman is called “black” by a cabin-boy in George MacDonald-Fraser’s FLASH FOR FREEDOM! (1971):

    *** I flung a pot at him, but missed, and he let fly a stream of the richest filth I’ve ever listened to. “I’ll get Mister Comber ter you, yer big black swine!” he finished up. “E’ll give you what for! Ta-ta!” And with that he slipped out, thumbing his nose. ***

    GMF was old enough to remember the wider meaning of “black” and was good at imitating Victorian English in any case.

  112. @Jonathan Mason
    @LondonBob

    Jamaica has one of the highest crime and murder rates in the world, so it's not surprising that a lot of Jamaicans leave home.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon

    Jamaica!

    The Land of Wood and Water

    Now becomes motor vehicle and manslaughter

    • Replies: @BB753
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The Clash wrote this piece after a taste of Jamaica.
    https://youtu.be/Ey1C4NNOFOs

  113. @martin_2
    @syonredux

    I have often read a comment by some foreign puddinghead - usually American, but sometimes an Aussie- on one or other Internet forum that apparently blacks in the UK are perfectly assimilated and their rate of violent crime is no different from that of whites. This is, of course, completely untrue. Blacks, like the Chinese, exhibit the same type of behaviour wherever they settle. This is the core argument for IQ differences between racial groups. Chinese, wherever they live, do all those things we associate with a high IQ group of people. Blacks, wherever they settle, do all those things we associate with a low IQ group.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. Grey

    “Chinese, wherever they live, do all those things we associate with a high IQ group of people.”

    Some of them also do other things, like hi-tech cheating on citizenship tests, or stripping beaches of shellfish for a restaurant. As Steve has pointed out, the last thing we need are high-IQ scoundrels.

    I occasionally read landlord forums in the UK, a great way of checking out what’s happening in cities that doesn’t make the headlines. A couple of years back I read about a lady who rented out her nice two-bedroom flat by Victoria Station, and discovered that her Chinese tenant had fitted 12 bunk beds and was advertising it to backpackers from China as a hostel.

    It’s true though that when Jesse Jackson’s walking to the ATM and hears footsteps behind him, he’s relieved to turn and see Chinese people.

    Meanwhile in the New Model British Army

    How it started

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13519422/fishermans-son-jamaica-first-black-queen-bodyguard/

    “A fisherman’s son from Jamaica is set to become the first black Regimental Sergeant Major in the Queen’s elite bodyguards.

    Kirtland Gill, 40, will be the most senior enlisted soldier in the Coldstream Guards when officially promoted next year.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44436520

    ‘I’m glad I was the first guardsman to wear a turban’

    Coldstream Guards soldier Charanpreet Singh Lall reflects on wearing his turban during the Trooping the Colour parade.

    He was one of around 1,000 soldiers who took part in the ceremony marking the Queen’s official birthday on Saturday.

    How it’s going

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/coldstream-guards-charged-selling-ammunition-kirtland-gill-b943632.html

    Two serving members of the elite Coldstream Guards will deny claims that they plotted to sell ammunition to an undercover police officer, a court heard on Thursday.

    Kirtland Gill, 40, and Rajon Graham, 32, are accused of working together in a conspiracy to sell 300 bullets for a 9mm luger pistol in December 2020 and January this year.

    Gill, who also faces a separate weapons charge, was announced in December as the first black soldier to lead the Coldstream Guards as its Regimental Sergeant Major.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7337783/first-sikh-guardsman-positive-cocaine/

    A Sikh who was the first Coldstream Guardsman to wear a turban at Trooping the Colour faces being kicked out after testing positive for cocaine.

    • Thanks: martin_2, Rob McX
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @YetAnotherAnon

    That’s hilarious! Might as well laugh at the decline.

  114. @Triteleia Laxa
    A big majority of black people in Londom are of direct African descent. They are usually the product of extremely selected migration. You are not going to be able to afford a plane ticket as an average person from a country where the average salary is a few hundred Dollars a year. Nevermind that substantial majorities don't even get "salaries".

    These crime statistics therefore cause me to feel ​extremely pessimistic about many countries' futures. It is as if only the children of expensive US private schools had moved to London and still accounted for a ridiculously disproportionate amount of the crime.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “You are not going to be able to afford a plane ticket as an average person from a country where the average salary is a few hundred Dollars a year. “

    Not so. Someone (or your family) lends you the money, you pay it back. How do so many Somalis and Congolese end up in Birmingham or London?

    Africans in the UK are by no means all educated Igbos or Ashantis.

    “In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190328225442/http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/how-londons-knife-culture-is-being-fueled-by-jargon-social-media-and-music-a3579396.html

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You don't understand the poverty in Africa. Nor the inequality. Ordinary Congolese don't even leave their village.

  115. @martin_2
    @syonredux

    I have often read a comment by some foreign puddinghead - usually American, but sometimes an Aussie- on one or other Internet forum that apparently blacks in the UK are perfectly assimilated and their rate of violent crime is no different from that of whites. This is, of course, completely untrue. Blacks, like the Chinese, exhibit the same type of behaviour wherever they settle. This is the core argument for IQ differences between racial groups. Chinese, wherever they live, do all those things we associate with a high IQ group of people. Blacks, wherever they settle, do all those things we associate with a low IQ group.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. Grey

    Compare Hong Kong or Singapore to Jamaica or Haiti. Singapore was a tiny fishing village when the British chose the location to build a port.

  116. @BB753
    @Graham

    Kingsley Amis was also Jewish, likely of Portuguese descent from way back. So, not toff or posh, unless they married into nobility.

    Replies: @BB753, @YetAnotherAnon

    What do you disagree with, YetAnotherAnon?

  117. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jonathan Mason


    Jamaica!

    The Land of Wood and Water

    Now becomes motor vehicle and manslaughter
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xZ1lv0T53M

    Replies: @BB753

    The Clash wrote this piece after a taste of Jamaica.

  118. @YetAnotherAnon
    @martin_2

    "Chinese, wherever they live, do all those things we associate with a high IQ group of people."

    Some of them also do other things, like hi-tech cheating on citizenship tests, or stripping beaches of shellfish for a restaurant. As Steve has pointed out, the last thing we need are high-IQ scoundrels.

    I occasionally read landlord forums in the UK, a great way of checking out what's happening in cities that doesn't make the headlines. A couple of years back I read about a lady who rented out her nice two-bedroom flat by Victoria Station, and discovered that her Chinese tenant had fitted 12 bunk beds and was advertising it to backpackers from China as a hostel.

    It's true though that when Jesse Jackson's walking to the ATM and hears footsteps behind him, he's relieved to turn and see Chinese people.

    Meanwhile in the New Model British Army


    How it started

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13519422/fishermans-son-jamaica-first-black-queen-bodyguard/


    "A fisherman's son from Jamaica is set to become the first black Regimental Sergeant Major in the Queen’s elite bodyguards.

    Kirtland Gill, 40, will be the most senior enlisted soldier in the Coldstream Guards when officially promoted next year."
     
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44436520

    'I'm glad I was the first guardsman to wear a turban'

    Coldstream Guards soldier Charanpreet Singh Lall reflects on wearing his turban during the Trooping the Colour parade.

    He was one of around 1,000 soldiers who took part in the ceremony marking the Queen's official birthday on Saturday.
     
    How it's going

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/coldstream-guards-charged-selling-ammunition-kirtland-gill-b943632.html

    Two serving members of the elite Coldstream Guards will deny claims that they plotted to sell ammunition to an undercover police officer, a court heard on Thursday.

    Kirtland Gill, 40, and Rajon Graham, 32, are accused of working together in a conspiracy to sell 300 bullets for a 9mm luger pistol in December 2020 and January this year.

    Gill, who also faces a separate weapons charge, was announced in December as the first black soldier to lead the Coldstream Guards as its Regimental Sergeant Major.

     

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7337783/first-sikh-guardsman-positive-cocaine/

    A Sikh who was the first Coldstream Guardsman to wear a turban at Trooping the Colour faces being kicked out after testing positive for cocaine.

     

    Replies: @JMcG

    That’s hilarious! Might as well laugh at the decline.

  119. @Anonymous
    Russians still habitually refer to Chechens, Azeris, Armenians, Georgians, Arabs etc as 'blacks'.

    Replies: @Canadian Observer

    Russians will also often refer to the non-Russians in their empire as “Tajiks”.

  120. @photondancer
    Somerset Maugham had a couple of characters refer to Malaysians as 'black' in the 1920s. It seems to have meant darker than an olive skin as far as I can tell. Arabs and Indians were 'dusky' or 'swarthy'. I've wondered for some time why Indians weren't generally described as black even though there are plenty of Indians as dark as any African* . Perhaps they were and I just haven't read those sources.

    I've also seen a character described as burned black by the sun, by which they meant a really deep tan. By mid 20th century this had changed to 'bronzed'. There was an influx of Caribbean blacks into England at that time so perhaps people didn't want confusion as to what 'black' was referring to.

    Do the English still use 'dark' to mean someone with black or dark brown hair? I've seen this confuse Americans who assume it must mean a POC. It gets even more confusing because they can also refer to a brunette as 'fair', meaning they have pale skin.

    * some Indians are African, of course, and their dark skin may be due to ancestral intermarriage with the blacks. But Indian Indians can be very dark brown too.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Pessimist

    Here’s your money quote –Macauley, famously disparaging Frederick the Great, huffed “that in order he might steal from a neighbor,” Frederick had started the Seven Years War, in which “red men scalped each other by the Great Lakes and black men killed each other in Coramandel [India]”.

    • Thanks: photondancer
  121. HA says:
    @kaganovitch
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is something to that. I think Mark Steyn has often noted that second generation Muslim immigrants tend to embrace radical Islam much more so than first gen.

    Replies: @HA

    “Mark Steyn has often noted that second generation Muslim immigrants tend to embrace radical Islam much more so than first gen.”

    Thomas Friedman managed to say something sensible about that as well (despite being Thomas Friedman, I mean). He noted that first generation immigrants were more likely to be grateful to America or the UK or France for taking them in (and realized their officials were marshmallows compared to the secret police and “interrogators” from the home country), and they were regarded as success stories by their extended families.

    Whereas their sons have no awareness of what really went on back in Egypt or Syria, and realize that they’ve grown up in a ghetto and that the best they can hope for is to become working-class taxi drivers like their fathers, and so resentment ensues.

    And as Steve Sailer has pointed out, the prime terrorism bracket is young males, and once upon a time the West typically waited till a man was grown and had a family before encouraging him to move to Germany or wherever, which meant that it was his son who would be the most likely to be recruited to terrorist causes.

  122. @BB753
    @Graham

    Kingsley Amis was also Jewish, likely of Portuguese descent from way back. So, not toff or posh, unless they married into nobility.

    Replies: @BB753, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Kingsley Amis was also Jewish”

    First I (or anyone else) have heard of it.

  123. @Negrolphin Pool
    That's hilarious about the etiology of We Wuz Kangs. And it makes sense. Kind of like melanin versus melatonin.

    Time for another relative risk calculation:

    We have 1000 people, 130 are black and 870 are non-black. 100 crimes are committed. The blacks therefore have a crime rate of 74/130 or .569. The non-blacks have a crime rate of 26/870 or .03. This means that the black crime rate is 19 times that of non-blacks.*

    Absent a smoking-gun environmental cause, such as a 50-year-pack smoking habit in one population vs abstention in another, relative risks that high are prima facie evidence of a strong genetic cause.


    There are a lot of Englishmen with the surname of “Black.” Presumably, they had an ancestor c. 1300 when surnames were being chosen who had dark hair or tanned skin.
     
    Or they were smiths and dropped the smith part. Or they were in finance.

    *The numbers are contrived but it doesn't matter as long as it produces the correct relative ratios, and it does. The populations can be multipled by C₁ and crime counts by C₂ to get the actual numbers. The black:non-black ratios will remain constant because (C₁/C₂)/(C₁/C₂) = 1.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…Absent a smoking-gun environmental cause, such as a 50-year-pack smoking habit in one population vs abstention in another, relative risks that high are prima facie evidence of a strong genetic cause…’

    One element that would be mildly interesting — if difficult — to ascertain would be to what extent the percentage of black DNA affects criminality.

    Controlling for socio-economic status, how likely is a quadroon to commit a crime as compared to a full-on, 100% black black? Is Oprah Winfrey more or less likely than Meghan Markle to steal the silverware?

  124. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "You are not going to be able to afford a plane ticket as an average person from a country where the average salary is a few hundred Dollars a year. "

    Not so. Someone (or your family) lends you the money, you pay it back. How do so many Somalis and Congolese end up in Birmingham or London?

    Africans in the UK are by no means all educated Igbos or Ashantis.

    “In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190328225442/http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/how-londons-knife-culture-is-being-fueled-by-jargon-social-media-and-music-a3579396.html

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You don’t understand the poverty in Africa. Nor the inequality. Ordinary Congolese don’t even leave their village.

  125. @Bill Jones

    By the way, didn’t the English used to use “black” to mean pretty much everybody who isn’t pink? If you go back enough in 20th Century books, English authors tended to write as if South Asians were “black,” Egyptians were “black,” Sicilians were “black,” and Parisians we’re not so sure about.
     
    The Jury is still out on the Irish.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @James Speaks, @RadicalCenter

    Funny line, but if the jury is out on Irish people being white europeans, then the jury is also out on “English” people, given that many millions of the “English” are 20-plus percent Celtic genetically.

    https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/international/press-releases/DNA-of-the-nation-revealedand-were-not-as-British-as-we-think

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