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From my Taki’s Magazine column “Our Culture of Lying” that I wrote a week and a half ago:

The causes of the latest failures are not fully clear yet, in part because we don’t know what exactly will still happen. For instance, there are several thousand American citizens in Afghanistan right now. It’s possible that the Taliban, who have so far been trying to behave like a more mature, prudent organization than the puerile extremists who ran Afghanistan two decades ago, will oversee an organized evacuation that brings them credit in the eyes of the world.

Yet, it’s also possible that a hotheaded faction among the victors might carry out reprisals, rather like how in neighboring Iran in 1979, student radicals organized the taking of the U.S. Embassy staff hostage without first informing the Ayatollah Khomeini, who, upon seeing how popular it was, then endorsed it.

Unwritten is the future…or at least the one day between when I write my column and when you read it.

But yesterday, I was thinking, ya know, maybe the Biden Administration is going to luck out with their inept contingency planning (such abandoning Bagram airbase first and thus having to rely on the civilian airport) after all; by now, most of the actual Americans are out of Afghanistan without anything too awful happening yet.

But due to my usual combination of 20% prudence and 80% indolence, I didn’t get around to proclaiming that.

And even if I had, it still wouldn’t be as poorly timed as this tweet:

 
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  1. Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice.

    Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists.

    Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.

    • Replies: @Hi There
    @John Gruskos


    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice. Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists. Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.
     
    I sincerely share this sentiment. Switch from Gmail to Protonmail. Use the Brave web browser and search engine. use skiff.org for documents. Order from walmart instead of Amazon when cost comparable.

    But otherwise, I'm going to keep my YouTube + Netflix + Amazon subscriptions. You know their service is great when you hate them but still want to buy their products and services anyway.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @John Gruskos, @Wency

    , @Honorary Jew
    @John Gruskos

    "Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice."

    I get that you're mad at that headline, but was that the purpose of the headline? Literally nobody seems able to comprehend this is tabloid idiocy basically serving rightwing media ecosystem. I don't have any interest in rightwing advocacy, I just like being right. More important than money. More important than power. Who are these people? I could go to any college class and find you the most annoying, autistic, outspoken leftwing idiot. And who says they didn't, in 2015? Daily Mail had most traffic in 2010, Ben Shapiro has it now, suckling off conservative reader blob is just a natural tabloid strategy, which these people blundered into, in 2014. Trolling common sense apparently gets hits. Steve shares the worst articles around. I share them with friends. We're all in it! Of the ten last articles I shared, I think 0 were for "being good," they were for "being bad." They push trannie stuff for the same reasons PT Barnum might have. You find the dumbest kid in class on Adderall and encourage him to have his hottest take--clickbait.

    And Vice has always famously been a Potempkin Village fraud, to investors, still is, what's remarkable is nobody calling it out. They are probably actively defrauding investors right now. And this is the "good", leftwing culture war side?

    , @Anonymous
    @John Gruskos

    A VICE reported literally took scopolamine on camera and almost died. And the worst part is that it wasn't staged. Those people are crazy. Literally crazy. 100%.

    Replies: @Blodgie

    , @JimDandy
    @John Gruskos

    Exactly. Get your news right here. I can now report that these two played with each other, but cannot yet confirm who pitched and who caught.

    General Mark Milley, who “wants to understand white rage,” played football in high school with transgender Health Secretary Dr. Rachel Levine.

    Both attended Belmont Hill High School in Massachusetts. Milley graduated in 1976, whereas Levine, who was originally known as Richard, graduated in 1975.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @RichardTaylor
    @John Gruskos

    Okay, but what's the impact of a handful of people canceling their subscriptions to monopolistic companies? If these corporations were vulnerable to us economically, they'd already be gone.

    I think it requires getting more than a handful of people (the readers of blogs like this) to get their head right. Otherwise, you're just cutting yourself off from what's happening in the culture, which may actually make you isolated and even weaker.

    Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @John Gruskos

    , @AndrewR
    @John Gruskos

    Oh, buddy...

    We are way past the point where boycotts and protests will work.

    Replies: @John Gruskos


  2. [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @MEH 0910

    A list of collaborators. What could go wrong?

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    , @Cato
    @MEH 0910

    To be fair, the Taliban are not Thugs--they are far more morally driven than the average American. If you remember, they began back in the early 1990s as a reaction by Madrassa students to the rapes and robbing of warlords who had taken over the country after the Soviet withdrawal.

    But the Taliban are soldiers, and one should never expect soldiers to forget their comrades who were killed in action, and should never expect them to forget who was responsible for the deaths of those comrades. To provide the Taliban with a convenient list of quislings is so extremely, incredibly, beyond belief that one must think it is either malice or incompetence. Seems like most of the voices I'm hearing are voting for incompetence. But who knows?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @El Dato
    @MEH 0910

    Earlier in this show

    Taliban acquires US military biometric devices that can identify Afghans who assisted coalition efforts – reports


    According to a US Army Corps of Engineers presentation, HIIDE devices use the data collected to create a “portfolio” that can then be imported into Biometrics Automated Toolset (BAT) identification-processing software as a “digital dossier.” This can be scanned against official watch lists for threats.

    Besides tracking insurgents, the Pentagon was also reportedly keen to use the devices to gather unique data on 80% of the Afghan population to check for terrorist and criminal activity. Unnamed sources said biometric details of locals who helped the US were also collected and used in identification cards.

    “We processed thousands of locals a day, had to ID, sweep for suicide vests, weapons, intel gathering, etc. ... [HIIDE] was used as a biometric ID tool to help ID locals working for the coalition,” an American military contractor told the outlet.
     
    Definitely Voter ID on steroids.
  3. How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @S Johnson

    The latter, but I think it’s just out of force of habit. With the open southern border they don’t need all these Afghans who might produce Omar Mateens and anti-Semites, but I suppose the scorpion just can’t help stinging the frog.

    , @Thomas
    @S Johnson


    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?
     
    For that matter, I haven't seen anything as far as how many of these "American citizens" were citizens 20 years ago. Do we know anything about that? I have a strange feeling it isn't many.

    I also have a strange feeling about how this incident, representing what appears to be the worst single-day loss of life to combat for the US military in a decade, happened. It should be fairly obvious over the past several weeks that the majority of the Deep State really doesn't want to leave Afghanistan. And I can't see how it could've been in the Taliban's interest to do something this potentially provocative, on the cusp of us leaving anyway. Is there anybody reading this blog right now, in 2021 (yeah, yeah "current year"), who doesn't think that a false flag or something equivalent is a real possibility?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @S Johnson, @PaceLaw, @peterike

    , @From Beer to Paternity
    @S Johnson

    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today?

    A lot of "Americans" who hold US passports, for sure. We dole out legal US residency and citizenship like Halloween candy (trick or treat, who the F knows).

    But if by US citizens you mean folks actually born and raised in the States, never underestimate how naiive persons can be. Especially progressive expats. They do the magical thinking thing extremely well. For example, a lady told me on 11 September 2001 that she couldn't believe that a man with such gentle eyes could do horrible things. She was referring to OBL, the now-deceased son of a Saudi construction outfit. OBL was no dummy, and a master strategist. That SOB understood the West much better than we understand Central Asia, etc.

    Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    Nah, it's just that our leaders are stupid (or not stupid but ideologically blinded). The Afghan imports are just an accidental plus for the cloud people.

    Guys and gals, what are your favorite Afghan dishes? It used to be that we'd need to travel to D.C. to experience these wonderful, exotic foods. We're going to have many wonderful restaurants in our hometowns. We Western rubes need to learn to not eat with our left hands.

    , @George
    @S Johnson

    They actually are Afghanis that decided to spend the covid summer in Afghanistan.

    Two families from a San Diego suburb have made it home from Afghanistan after they went to the country earlier this summer to visit relatives and got stuck there amid the chaos following the Taliban’s takeover, officials said Thursday.

    https://ktla.com/news/california/2-el-cajon-families-who-were-stuck-in-afghanistan-return-4-others-still-stranded/

    , @Anonymous
    @S Johnson

    How many of these people are garden-variety Americans with names like Johhny Smith and Susie Jones and how many of these are Paper Americans with names like Mustafa and Fatima?
    Inquiring minds want to know. If it's the latter then we should just pull-out ASAP and wash our hands of this godforsaken place.

    Replies: @S Johnson

  4. Sleepy Joe’s press conference was an embarrassment. He was barely coherent at times and there should be at least one person in the White House with enough clout to tell him not every death should be compared to Beau’s. That he acts like he shouldn’t have to answer questions from Peter Doocy should embarrass the rest of the press, but they are not capable of shame.

    • Agree: Pop Warner, The Griffins
    • Replies: @Altai
    @Barnard

    My favourite part was when a Catholic man said 'As it is said in the Book of Isaiah...'. It was so weird and forced, he even did the GWB line 'At a time of our choosing'.

    Or who could forget the one about how so many veterans returned from Iraq with brain cancer like his son...

    It's like watching the conflicting confused ideas of a room full of PR flacks go through a blender.

    Overall though, despite political hacks trying to make a huge deal out of it (With the exception of Miller, no high-profile politicians are criticising the ridiculous scale of human cargo the US and other Western countries, including ones not in NATO who had nothing to do with Afghanistan, are expected to import) the Biden admin will well survive this since nobody actually cares about Afghans or Afghanistan so I don't know why the PR flacks went through so much trouble.

    Despite the prospects of a new civil war increasing with every second, nobody has tabled a partition of Afghanistan.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Hibernian

  5. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1430975844147732480

    https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1430975844147732480

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Cato, @El Dato

    A list of collaborators. What could go wrong?

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Don't think they don't have one for American Citizens in the USA, based on their voter registrations or web hisorties.

  6. I hope Steve is right in saying that most of the actual (racial) Americans are out by now. As for the rest, I hope that the Taliban bags as many as they can before boarding.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Currahee

    You are retarded.

  7. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    ISIS is claiming responsibility. They are a CIA/Mossad creation. This was probably abetted by an intel agency wanting us not to leave. Ya’ didn’t think the neocons were just gonna give up, especially since the news of the delta variant killing 5.1 times as many vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in the UK last month.

    ISIS will be left behind to bomb any pipelines, Sino/Russian investments, inhibit any real Afghan progress, etc. They are our terrorists. I hope the taliban captures all of them with our equipmemt and makes them confess these things, videoed-to-the-world.

  8. Did the U,S.utilize explosive-detecting dogs at the site of the blast? Is the US utilizing them at the ramp where boarding of the C-17 occurs? Apart from the detection-threshold issue, would the mere presence of the dogs deter the use of explosives? Here’s an article about such dogs if anyone is interested:

    https://www.princeton.edu/~ota/disk1/1992/9235/923509.PDF

    By the way, speaking of things that might come in handy, does the US Force at the airport have quick- drying cement and rebar available, in case a mortar shell does damage to the runway? This was a major operating airport, and so you assume repair cement was already there.. Or do you? Maybe after any damage they simply sent a guy to Home Depot to buy some cement.

  9. • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    What does this meme with the face mask mean?

    , @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Advocating genocide is ok on Twitter but saying "tranny" gets your account banned

  10. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @MEH 0910

    A list of collaborators. What could go wrong?

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    Don’t think they don’t have one for American Citizens in the USA, based on their voter registrations or web hisorties.

  11. Why are so many left-wing journolists Neo Stalinists?

    • Thanks: The Griffins
  12. @John Gruskos
    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice.

    Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists.

    Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.

    Replies: @Hi There, @Honorary Jew, @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR

    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice. Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists. Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.

    I sincerely share this sentiment. Switch from Gmail to Protonmail. Use the Brave web browser and search engine. use skiff.org for documents. Order from walmart instead of Amazon when cost comparable.

    But otherwise, I’m going to keep my YouTube + Netflix + Amazon subscriptions. You know their service is great when you hate them but still want to buy their products and services anyway.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Hi There

    "But otherwise, I’m going to keep my YouTube + Netflix + Amazon subscriptions. You know their service is great when you hate them but still want to buy their products and services anyway."

    Pretty much everything on Amazon is available cheaper on eBay (and quite often you can find the physical place and order direct). Youtube is free AFAIK, I use Brave plus adblocker so no problems with that, and any male who even watches anything on Netflix or any other mainstream TV/video service - well, I won't say they deserve what they get*, but they're complicit in their own dispossession.


    * someone has to watch them, and I'm grateful Steve takes that on, but the sort of male who unironically quotes Mad Men as proof of what life was like in the 1950s...

    Replies: @Alden

    , @John Gruskos
    @Hi There

    "Entertainment" products are absolute crap.

    Boycotting Hollywood is a win-win-win-win tactic.

    I save time, I save money, I save myself the aggravation of being exposed to crap, and I deprive my enemies of revenue.

    , @Wency
    @Hi There

    Walmart is super Woke, no reason to bother with patronizing them over Amazon.

    I've had the thought that, in this era of e-commerce conquering all, maybe someone could retain market share in the US heartland by positioning themselves as obviously anti-Woke. But in terms of mass-market retailers, I don't think there's anyone like this, just Hobby Lobby and certain chicken restaurants.

  13. My plan for a quick 3 electoral votes, return the residential areas of Washington D.C. to Maryland.

    Move a Marine brigade to the District.

    Make sure all the Marines register to vote.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Goatweed

    Make it a Division for good measure. Make sure they are armed ... ya’ know, to keep the Congress Critters safe from those terrible deplorables in the countryside.

  14. @Barnard
    Sleepy Joe's press conference was an embarrassment. He was barely coherent at times and there should be at least one person in the White House with enough clout to tell him not every death should be compared to Beau's. That he acts like he shouldn't have to answer questions from Peter Doocy should embarrass the rest of the press, but they are not capable of shame.

    Replies: @Altai

    My favourite part was when a Catholic man said ‘As it is said in the Book of Isaiah…’. It was so weird and forced, he even did the GWB line ‘At a time of our choosing’.

    Or who could forget the one about how so many veterans returned from Iraq with brain cancer like his son…

    It’s like watching the conflicting confused ideas of a room full of PR flacks go through a blender.

    Overall though, despite political hacks trying to make a huge deal out of it (With the exception of Miller, no high-profile politicians are criticising the ridiculous scale of human cargo the US and other Western countries, including ones not in NATO who had nothing to do with Afghanistan, are expected to import) the Biden admin will well survive this since nobody actually cares about Afghans or Afghanistan so I don’t know why the PR flacks went through so much trouble.

    Despite the prospects of a new civil war increasing with every second, nobody has tabled a partition of Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Altai

    No, it will not go away like a bad news cycle like Biden has said.

    First, lots and lots of Americans and Europeans are still trapped, as the US evacuates because the Taliban said so. Biden may not care but these are the sons and daughters of connected people. They tend to get revenge. They are not dirt people and have money, power, and connections.

    Second, Biden took away the Special Forces Olympics for one star generals and the only way they get two or more stars is presiding over various Spec Ops guys getting killed for their promotion. These guys have a way of getting even. It was a fools game to think they'd just stop with Trump.

    Third, there will be a tidal wave of Jihad all aimed at Americans, abroad and at home, as weak and drugged up Biden has shown everyone there is no consequence at all. He radiates weakness and like blood in the water it will draw sharks.

    Fourth, with everything else piling up, including widespread vaccine and lockdown revolt, a cratering economy, consumer shortages, skyrocketing inflation, and spiraling gas prices, every ordinary person will be ticked off.

    Fifth, Putin and Xi are likely to grab places like Ukraine, the Baltics, Taiwan, and possibly more for Xi with Biden doing nothing or seeing his Pacific and other fleets sunk in days.

    Sixth, those families with power and money are likely to drive any movement to get rid of both Biden and Harris -- particularly if Biden over-reaches which is likely with the probable arrest of Trump and "insurrection" stuff to distract from the abject failure to even get us out of Afghanistan without disaster (Obama at least managed that with Iraq). The Regency might try and send Trump and some SEALs and others to Iran for the "murder" of the Revolutionary Guard commander attempting to arrange a storming of our Iraqi embassy. Particularly as Hostage videos come out of pleading Americans and so forth.

    Fundamentally, Biden and his dumb female admin cannot decide quickly and act. Making them easy fat dumb prey for foreign actors and letting events here and abroad drive them not the other way around.

    , @Hibernian
    @Altai


    My favourite part was when a Catholic man said ‘As it is said in the Book of Isaiah…’. It was so weird and forced, he even did the GWB line ‘At a time of our choosing’.
     
    The first reading in each Sunday Mass is almost always from the Old Testament. In English since about 1963.

    Biden is a colossal phony, similar to Bill Clinton, a Baptist man.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

  15. Trump and Clinton were impeached for much less. The incompetence in the planning and execution of this mission and Biden’s cowardly response calls for the firing of everyone involved in the planning of this mission and the impeachment of this disgraceful president. 13 good men are dead because of a moron.

    • Agree: The Griffins
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Rich

    Can you be specific? Going back to the agreement with the Taliban at Doha, which I'm sure you are an expert on, what would you have done differently?

    Replies: @Rich, @epebble, @The Griffins

  16. the Biden admin will well survive this since nobody actually cares about Afghans or Afghanistan so I don’t know why the PR flacks went through so much trouble.

    otoh, five days is a long time …

  17. In my experience ex-marines are far more likely to be democrats and liberals than any other branch of the armed services. But admittedly my samples are all from the pre-woke era, so maybe they realize that, as someone recently said “wokeness turns everything to sh**”, and they don’t want that for their beloved Corps.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Old Prude

    All due respect, you must not know very many Marines--and yes, there are plenty, even in the pre woke era, who have liberal outlooks on a lot of things--or at least some things. But the majority skew conservative---and almost every old serviceman, regardless of branch, goes pretty far right in their old age, if they weren't already there. Working class people in general, which is where most military men come from, always skew pretty far right as they age.

    Of course, with these current young d*ckless dweebs and strident empty headed [email protected], God only knows, to quote Brian Wilson. For one thing there's not much working class left, People are either whigger ghetto White wannabees or solid middle-class automatons with no core or spirit, but enough money to avoid the worst of it.

  18. Oh My God! Seriously how incompetent can the modern West be?

    Plus the original evacuation was a combination of being done very quickly with the understanding that the Afghan government could hold the cities for a year or two-

    -I would think such a combination would lead to US officials thinking there was no need to destroy files, computers and other info since we do not have time to evaluate whether it is to be destroyed or taken it with us and we would need the info eventually and they are safe since the buildings we used are under allied Afghan control

    No telling what amount of CLASSIFIED INFORMATION was left behind which is now under the purview of the Taliban and which they can now use for their own nefarious purposes or sell to the Russians and Chinese

    The evacuation of South Vietnam, incompetent as it was, was the height of efficiency compared to what happened now

  19. A real withdrawal starts with 2,500 troops, then goes to 1,300, then 800, 400, 75, 0.

    A botched withdrawal starts with 2,500, then goes to 6,000, and now 5,988. Heckuva job, Milley.

  20. I say again: Young white men, do not join the US military. Parents of young white men, don’t let your sons join the US military.

    • Agree: donut, magila, The Griffins
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Mike Tre

    Let them grow up to be cowboys instead.

    Replies: @JimB, @Anonymous

  21. Another tweet that didn’t age well.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • LOL: bomag
  22. @S Johnson
    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Thomas, @From Beer to Paternity, @George, @Anonymous

    The latter, but I think it’s just out of force of habit. With the open southern border they don’t need all these Afghans who might produce Omar Mateens and anti-Semites, but I suppose the scorpion just can’t help stinging the frog.

  23. 12 Marines Killed in Kabul Airport Suicide Bombing

    Well, one thing’s for certain: no families at Harvard, Yale, Georgetown or Sidwell Friends are weeping tonight.

    Nor are the Bushes, Clintons, or Obamas mourning the completely senseless loss of Jenna, Barbara, Chelsea, Malia or Sasha.

    I’m sure they’re all concerned about women’s rights in Afghanistan, and all for putting women in the Marines, though…

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dr. X

    Yeah, the Cloud World families are never Gold Star families, and vice versa.

    , @PaceLaw
    @Dr. X

    Interesting, isn’t it, how 3 successive US presidents (the Clintons, Bushes and Obamas) had a collective total of 5 daughters and no sons? Must’ve been something in the water . . .

    Replies: @Ralph L, @HammerJack

    , @Hope
    @Dr. X

    Nor does trump.

    , @Jack Armstrong
    @Dr. X

    You can’t really expect the daughters of Vietnam veterans to risk their lives in another foreign entanglement. Shouldn’t the service of their fathers give them a pass?

  24. @S Johnson
    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Thomas, @From Beer to Paternity, @George, @Anonymous

    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    For that matter, I haven’t seen anything as far as how many of these “American citizens” were citizens 20 years ago. Do we know anything about that? I have a strange feeling it isn’t many.

    I also have a strange feeling about how this incident, representing what appears to be the worst single-day loss of life to combat for the US military in a decade, happened. It should be fairly obvious over the past several weeks that the majority of the Deep State really doesn’t want to leave Afghanistan. And I can’t see how it could’ve been in the Taliban’s interest to do something this potentially provocative, on the cusp of us leaving anyway. Is there anybody reading this blog right now, in 2021 (yeah, yeah “current year”), who doesn’t think that a false flag or something equivalent is a real possibility?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thomas

    A simpler explanation is that Afghanistan is like Iraq, or like Northern Ireland and Lebanon in the old days, and there are a bunch of different groups running around doing their own thing with nobody in overall control of anything.

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @S Johnson
    @Thomas

    It’s not in the Taliban’s interest, but it’s Afghanistan and there are hell of a lot of hot-headed young Muslims running around who know how to make IEDs (in part thanks to 20 years of military occupation).

    Replies: @Thomas, @raga10

    , @PaceLaw
    @Thomas

    Yeah, I totally agree with your point. Something tells me that many of these “Americans” have never celebrated Thanksgiving and have no understanding of anything that a native born American would take for granted. It seems as if these “Americans“ are that in name only and due to cultural pride and family ties, are really more afghans who just have a quaint association with United States. Sad.

    , @peterike
    @Thomas


    For that matter, I haven’t seen anything as far as how many of these “American citizens” were citizens 20 years ago.
     
    The NY Post did a profile of about half a dozen of the trapped "American citizens." Basically, they were almost all Afghans living in America who had gone back to visit family. None was white, black or Hispanic.
  25. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    I think if Biden is smart, this stuff all blows over. He’ll do whatever is needed to crawl out of Kabul. And the end situation in terms of geopolitics, people of Afghanistan, terrorism threat, etc. will be the same.

    Sure, they screwed up the evacuation. There was always a big danger of a fiasco. But he probably should have had a smarter, stealthier plan. And if anything we’re getting out light.

    But three years nobody is going to obsess on this. I am so fucking tired of the Sean Hannity style grifters short stroking themselves.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Anonymous

    I can’t possibly see the “end situation” in terms of geopolitics being the same given the disastrous retreat by America that we’ve seen. To our adversaries around the world, it appears as if the United States is being smacked around by the Taliban/Isis-K. Oh, and did an American general predict that more terror attacks will happen in days to come?

    Biden’s word means nothing in terms of American credibility anymore. This is a complete and unmitigated disaster. America’s standing is like a stock which can go up and down. Right now it is truly a sale.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Yes. Sean Hannity is a piece of shit.

    Tucker only stopped being a POS a few years ago and now he may be the best dude on the box, but he still grifts. Here's to hoping he stays on the side of the good guys. Ann Coulter did! But, like Steve, she's got bithing to lose Tucker does. (And so do we if Tucker goes bsck to being a bowtied billionaire baby.)

    In my opinion Biden did right.

    Except for taking in pseudo-refugees.

    But amazingly, Republicans may even be more responsible for that than Biden!

    They couldn't just provide Biden cover for "cutting and running" and being done with this could they?

    And now they're demanding blood because "IS Khorasan" (who have been attacking the taliban daily for 6 years) are trying to get America back involved.

    But that last paragraph, while true, is irrelevant to my main contention which is that Fox and every last Republican Biden-Blamer is a piece of shit.

    Where's O'Reilly? Is he still loofaing his crusted countenance?

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Anonymous

    Beirut....

    Replies: @El Dato

  26. @Altai
    @Barnard

    My favourite part was when a Catholic man said 'As it is said in the Book of Isaiah...'. It was so weird and forced, he even did the GWB line 'At a time of our choosing'.

    Or who could forget the one about how so many veterans returned from Iraq with brain cancer like his son...

    It's like watching the conflicting confused ideas of a room full of PR flacks go through a blender.

    Overall though, despite political hacks trying to make a huge deal out of it (With the exception of Miller, no high-profile politicians are criticising the ridiculous scale of human cargo the US and other Western countries, including ones not in NATO who had nothing to do with Afghanistan, are expected to import) the Biden admin will well survive this since nobody actually cares about Afghans or Afghanistan so I don't know why the PR flacks went through so much trouble.

    Despite the prospects of a new civil war increasing with every second, nobody has tabled a partition of Afghanistan.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Hibernian

    No, it will not go away like a bad news cycle like Biden has said.

    First, lots and lots of Americans and Europeans are still trapped, as the US evacuates because the Taliban said so. Biden may not care but these are the sons and daughters of connected people. They tend to get revenge. They are not dirt people and have money, power, and connections.

    Second, Biden took away the Special Forces Olympics for one star generals and the only way they get two or more stars is presiding over various Spec Ops guys getting killed for their promotion. These guys have a way of getting even. It was a fools game to think they’d just stop with Trump.

    Third, there will be a tidal wave of Jihad all aimed at Americans, abroad and at home, as weak and drugged up Biden has shown everyone there is no consequence at all. He radiates weakness and like blood in the water it will draw sharks.

    Fourth, with everything else piling up, including widespread vaccine and lockdown revolt, a cratering economy, consumer shortages, skyrocketing inflation, and spiraling gas prices, every ordinary person will be ticked off.

    Fifth, Putin and Xi are likely to grab places like Ukraine, the Baltics, Taiwan, and possibly more for Xi with Biden doing nothing or seeing his Pacific and other fleets sunk in days.

    Sixth, those families with power and money are likely to drive any movement to get rid of both Biden and Harris — particularly if Biden over-reaches which is likely with the probable arrest of Trump and “insurrection” stuff to distract from the abject failure to even get us out of Afghanistan without disaster (Obama at least managed that with Iraq). The Regency might try and send Trump and some SEALs and others to Iran for the “murder” of the Revolutionary Guard commander attempting to arrange a storming of our Iraqi embassy. Particularly as Hostage videos come out of pleading Americans and so forth.

    Fundamentally, Biden and his dumb female admin cannot decide quickly and act. Making them easy fat dumb prey for foreign actors and letting events here and abroad drive them not the other way around.

  27. Vice news said what Biden’s people told them to say. There is a general purge of Whites from the Military and it will not stop. Nor will it stop with just the military.

    The “Purge” movies are the driving animation of the Professional Upper Class, mostly White women and the Mulatto Ascendancy. And they want to get rid of by any means necessary nearly all White men. Don’t think it will stop with just getting rid of all White Marines.

    It will never, ever stop until every last White man is dead. Period.

  28. Well of course the Marines are Nazis. Does the pope shit in the woods.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @obwandiyag

    Huh?

    , @The Alarmist
    @obwandiyag


    Does the pope shit in the woods.
     
    Do you mean that nice Catholic guy they pushed to the side, or the globalist stooge Luciferian they installed to replace him?
  29. @Altai
    @Barnard

    My favourite part was when a Catholic man said 'As it is said in the Book of Isaiah...'. It was so weird and forced, he even did the GWB line 'At a time of our choosing'.

    Or who could forget the one about how so many veterans returned from Iraq with brain cancer like his son...

    It's like watching the conflicting confused ideas of a room full of PR flacks go through a blender.

    Overall though, despite political hacks trying to make a huge deal out of it (With the exception of Miller, no high-profile politicians are criticising the ridiculous scale of human cargo the US and other Western countries, including ones not in NATO who had nothing to do with Afghanistan, are expected to import) the Biden admin will well survive this since nobody actually cares about Afghans or Afghanistan so I don't know why the PR flacks went through so much trouble.

    Despite the prospects of a new civil war increasing with every second, nobody has tabled a partition of Afghanistan.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Hibernian

    My favourite part was when a Catholic man said ‘As it is said in the Book of Isaiah…’. It was so weird and forced, he even did the GWB line ‘At a time of our choosing’.

    The first reading in each Sunday Mass is almost always from the Old Testament. In English since about 1963.

    Biden is a colossal phony, similar to Bill Clinton, a Baptist man.

    • Agree: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Hibernian

    Shia LaBeouf did a nice twangy reading of this in “Furry”, Mr.President’s was more austere.

  30. @Mike Tre
    I say again: Young white men, do not join the US military. Parents of young white men, don't let your sons join the US military.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Let them grow up to be cowboys instead.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @JimB
    @Hibernian

    Cow farts will save the world by causing the oceans to swallow NYC and LA

    Replies: @Pericles, @The Alarmist

    , @Anonymous
    @Hibernian

    The late Hitchens brother wrote for his regular “War Dogs” column in Slate a brief treatise on the provenance of “cowboy” that, actually, holds up well in my opinion, purely for being cross-culturally informative as well as newly richly ironic… It was meant in indirect defense of Bush, who thought himself one (but in retrospect was less Louis L’Amour, more XIV). I won’t link out of respect for this summer’s watchword/fun pastime of “not aging well” (e.g. the Biden-Harris Administration)

  31. Everybody talks about the indomitable Afghans as though they are unconquerable. Graveyard of empires and all that…

    I think the truth is more that they are ungovernable and can’t even put in a halfway decent effort on the field, which is why weird sects have always taken refuge there.

    Who are these “brave Afghan allies who need saving from the Taliban?” A bunch of incompetents who threw down their guns and ran for the hills. Unlike some of our Vietnamese allies, they don’t deserve to come here.

    Now Arab fanatics are blowing up our marines in the midst of mobs of hysterical Afghans who can’t get in line or produce coherent documents. I’ve been to that part of the world. One brigade can take an entire “country,” but they can’t make it work. What human capital that exists there always gets out, or else it sees the reality of the situation and loots the place.

    Steve’s article on the culture of lying really hit the mark for me in a depressing way. I wrote a comment here a couple of years ago along similar lines, but referring to our society in general rather than institutions. Lying about objective reality is an effeminate tendency that highlights our cultural decline. I don’t think any of us can claim innocence in that regard because it is so culturally pervasive, from our courts to corporate boards to the common man and woman on the street. We all have to lie just to keep the peace. It’s profoundly demoralizing to me, and I’m sure I’m far from alone in that regard.

    But I’d like to point out once again how it enables this cult of losers that has overtaken our culture. Just like the black penalty kickers who lost the World Cup for England, we’re expected to cheer the loser Afghans who lost to the widely-despised Taliban and didn’t even put up a fight. No more. Losing should have consequences. VAE VICTIS

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Bill P

    They unite against foreigners.

  32. This botched operation is reminiscent of the incompetent General Elphinstone’s retreat from Kabul.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_retreat_from_Kabul

    But while General Elphinstone paid for his stupidity with his life, General Milley and his staff will only have their names dragged through the mud.

    Of course in both cases, most of those killed were expendable deplorables.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    @Balaji

    General Elphinstone was delirious with malaria when he ordered the retreat with the promise of safe passage.

  33. @John Gruskos
    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice.

    Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists.

    Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.

    Replies: @Hi There, @Honorary Jew, @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR

    “Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice.”

    I get that you’re mad at that headline, but was that the purpose of the headline? Literally nobody seems able to comprehend this is tabloid idiocy basically serving rightwing media ecosystem. I don’t have any interest in rightwing advocacy, I just like being right. More important than money. More important than power. Who are these people? I could go to any college class and find you the most annoying, autistic, outspoken leftwing idiot. And who says they didn’t, in 2015? Daily Mail had most traffic in 2010, Ben Shapiro has it now, suckling off conservative reader blob is just a natural tabloid strategy, which these people blundered into, in 2014. Trolling common sense apparently gets hits. Steve shares the worst articles around. I share them with friends. We’re all in it! Of the ten last articles I shared, I think 0 were for “being good,” they were for “being bad.” They push trannie stuff for the same reasons PT Barnum might have. You find the dumbest kid in class on Adderall and encourage him to have his hottest take–clickbait.

    And Vice has always famously been a Potempkin Village fraud, to investors, still is, what’s remarkable is nobody calling it out. They are probably actively defrauding investors right now. And this is the “good”, leftwing culture war side?

    • Agree: El Dato
    • LOL: Triteleia Laxa
  34. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1430975844147732480

    https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1430975844147732480

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Cato, @El Dato

    To be fair, the Taliban are not Thugs–they are far more morally driven than the average American. If you remember, they began back in the early 1990s as a reaction by Madrassa students to the rapes and robbing of warlords who had taken over the country after the Soviet withdrawal.

    But the Taliban are soldiers, and one should never expect soldiers to forget their comrades who were killed in action, and should never expect them to forget who was responsible for the deaths of those comrades. To provide the Taliban with a convenient list of quislings is so extremely, incredibly, beyond belief that one must think it is either malice or incompetence. Seems like most of the voices I’m hearing are voting for incompetence. But who knows?

    • Troll: Tony massey
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cato

    That is an interesting view, though the alternative view that they are a creation of Pakistan’s ISI is much more popular with secularist liberals. Long blog post about this by the author/NGO fixer Sarah Chayes has been going around. Karzai was basically their inside man (according to that six-degrees-of-race-realism liberal interpretation). The swiftly trending meme for the globohomoisie is that they were outfoxed by cunning Saudis and Paks

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Cato

  35. @S Johnson
    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Thomas, @From Beer to Paternity, @George, @Anonymous

    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today?

    A lot of “Americans” who hold US passports, for sure. We dole out legal US residency and citizenship like Halloween candy (trick or treat, who the F knows).

    But if by US citizens you mean folks actually born and raised in the States, never underestimate how naiive persons can be. Especially progressive expats. They do the magical thinking thing extremely well. For example, a lady told me on 11 September 2001 that she couldn’t believe that a man with such gentle eyes could do horrible things. She was referring to OBL, the now-deceased son of a Saudi construction outfit. OBL was no dummy, and a master strategist. That SOB understood the West much better than we understand Central Asia, etc.

    Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    Nah, it’s just that our leaders are stupid (or not stupid but ideologically blinded). The Afghan imports are just an accidental plus for the cloud people.

    Guys and gals, what are your favorite Afghan dishes? It used to be that we’d need to travel to D.C. to experience these wonderful, exotic foods. We’re going to have many wonderful restaurants in our hometowns. We Western rubes need to learn to not eat with our left hands.

  36. @Thomas
    @S Johnson


    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?
     
    For that matter, I haven't seen anything as far as how many of these "American citizens" were citizens 20 years ago. Do we know anything about that? I have a strange feeling it isn't many.

    I also have a strange feeling about how this incident, representing what appears to be the worst single-day loss of life to combat for the US military in a decade, happened. It should be fairly obvious over the past several weeks that the majority of the Deep State really doesn't want to leave Afghanistan. And I can't see how it could've been in the Taliban's interest to do something this potentially provocative, on the cusp of us leaving anyway. Is there anybody reading this blog right now, in 2021 (yeah, yeah "current year"), who doesn't think that a false flag or something equivalent is a real possibility?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @S Johnson, @PaceLaw, @peterike

    A simpler explanation is that Afghanistan is like Iraq, or like Northern Ireland and Lebanon in the old days, and there are a bunch of different groups running around doing their own thing with nobody in overall control of anything.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Anonymous

    Fair enough. But we know that one or more of those groups running around have home offices inside the Beltway. With all the effort that the US military has had to put into force protection in the past 20 years, losing a dozen troops to a single incident is notable.

  37. @John Gruskos
    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice.

    Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists.

    Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.

    Replies: @Hi There, @Honorary Jew, @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR

    A VICE reported literally took scopolamine on camera and almost died. And the worst part is that it wasn’t staged. Those people are crazy. Literally crazy. 100%.

    • Replies: @Blodgie
    @Anonymous

    That’s your analysis?

    That they are “Crazy?”

    What a shallow, meaningless understanding.

    They aren’t crazy and they aren’t stupid.

    Come up with a little more sophisticated analysis that isn’t an obvious broad dismissal if you want to be interesting.

  38. @Thomas
    @S Johnson


    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?
     
    For that matter, I haven't seen anything as far as how many of these "American citizens" were citizens 20 years ago. Do we know anything about that? I have a strange feeling it isn't many.

    I also have a strange feeling about how this incident, representing what appears to be the worst single-day loss of life to combat for the US military in a decade, happened. It should be fairly obvious over the past several weeks that the majority of the Deep State really doesn't want to leave Afghanistan. And I can't see how it could've been in the Taliban's interest to do something this potentially provocative, on the cusp of us leaving anyway. Is there anybody reading this blog right now, in 2021 (yeah, yeah "current year"), who doesn't think that a false flag or something equivalent is a real possibility?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @S Johnson, @PaceLaw, @peterike

    It’s not in the Taliban’s interest, but it’s Afghanistan and there are hell of a lot of hot-headed young Muslims running around who know how to make IEDs (in part thanks to 20 years of military occupation).

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @S Johnson

    That's certainly true. But 20 years of occupation have also given all the various elements of the System time to spread their own tendrils in Afghanistan.

    I have no way of knowing if anyone nominally on the US side (or that of the RSM, or the former Afghan government, for that matter) could have been involved. We may never know. But I doubt anybody could argue that many such people didn't have either the means or the motive. Life in a low-trust society that engages in long-running "savage wars of peace" means that this kind of question is always open.

    , @raga10
    @S Johnson

    A group affiliated with ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack. It was not really in Taliban's interest, but Taliban and ISIS are not the same thing - actually they are at war with one another.

    Although if a few Americans get blown up Taliban can probably live with that, and if some Afghanis get blown up too, that also sort of serves Taliban's purpose: they want to prevent the locals from trying to escape, after all. This might discourage them from hanging around the airport.

    But there is no need to look for any conspiracies here: Americans presented convenient target, ISIS took the opportunity - as simple as that.

    Replies: @S Johnson

  39. Biden said something like “We will retaliate” Oh give it up, don’t bother, just leave. The only thing our Woke Empire is capable of, is to increase domestic criminality and degrade the lives of normal Americans. Trying to improve the world is way beyond its competence.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  40. @Anonymous
    @Thomas

    A simpler explanation is that Afghanistan is like Iraq, or like Northern Ireland and Lebanon in the old days, and there are a bunch of different groups running around doing their own thing with nobody in overall control of anything.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Fair enough. But we know that one or more of those groups running around have home offices inside the Beltway. With all the effort that the US military has had to put into force protection in the past 20 years, losing a dozen troops to a single incident is notable.

  41. @Dr. X

    12 Marines Killed in Kabul Airport Suicide Bombing
     
    Well, one thing's for certain: no families at Harvard, Yale, Georgetown or Sidwell Friends are weeping tonight.

    Nor are the Bushes, Clintons, or Obamas mourning the completely senseless loss of Jenna, Barbara, Chelsea, Malia or Sasha.

    I'm sure they're all concerned about women's rights in Afghanistan, and all for putting women in the Marines, though...

    Replies: @anon, @PaceLaw, @Hope, @Jack Armstrong

    Yeah, the Cloud World families are never Gold Star families, and vice versa.

  42. @S Johnson
    @Thomas

    It’s not in the Taliban’s interest, but it’s Afghanistan and there are hell of a lot of hot-headed young Muslims running around who know how to make IEDs (in part thanks to 20 years of military occupation).

    Replies: @Thomas, @raga10

    That’s certainly true. But 20 years of occupation have also given all the various elements of the System time to spread their own tendrils in Afghanistan.

    I have no way of knowing if anyone nominally on the US side (or that of the RSM, or the former Afghan government, for that matter) could have been involved. We may never know. But I doubt anybody could argue that many such people didn’t have either the means or the motive. Life in a low-trust society that engages in long-running “savage wars of peace” means that this kind of question is always open.

  43. The situation in Afghanistan:

    • LOL: El Dato
  44. Trump won the election, but there’s no denying that a LOT of Americans voted for Biden and Kamala to be presidents of the United States. That’s the scariest sentence I’ve ever written.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @JimDandy

    Yeah, that’s a damn depressing conclusion to arrive at, isn’t it??? Both Biden and Harris are simple minded losers (this has been displayed on the public stage many times), but vast sums of the American people enthusiastically voted for them. Crazy, right? It’s almost as if the American people have approved and endorsed debacles such as the one that is happening in Afghanistan right now. The next 3 1/2 years should be a wild ride

    Replies: @Pericles, @JimDandy

    , @Anonymous
    @JimDandy

    Someday I'll tell my kids there was a time when "democracy" wasn't a code word for anal sex and "election integrity" wasn't a code word for MIGA.

  45. @S Johnson
    @Thomas

    It’s not in the Taliban’s interest, but it’s Afghanistan and there are hell of a lot of hot-headed young Muslims running around who know how to make IEDs (in part thanks to 20 years of military occupation).

    Replies: @Thomas, @raga10

    A group affiliated with ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack. It was not really in Taliban’s interest, but Taliban and ISIS are not the same thing – actually they are at war with one another.

    Although if a few Americans get blown up Taliban can probably live with that, and if some Afghanis get blown up too, that also sort of serves Taliban’s purpose: they want to prevent the locals from trying to escape, after all. This might discourage them from hanging around the airport.

    But there is no need to look for any conspiracies here: Americans presented convenient target, ISIS took the opportunity – as simple as that.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @S Johnson
    @raga10

    Yes, agreed. The main difference between ISIS and the Taliban seems to be that the Taliban is only interested in Afghanistan—“Islamism in one country”. ISIS is something of an umbrella term for any dissatisfied Sunni who thinks his own government doesn’t go far enough. They don’t seem to have much support at a state level, though some of the groups the Gulf states (and US) were funding in Iraq and Syria metastasized into ISIS. In socialist terms they’re accelerationists.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  46. @John Gruskos
    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice.

    Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists.

    Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.

    Replies: @Hi There, @Honorary Jew, @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR

    Exactly. Get your news right here. I can now report that these two played with each other, but cannot yet confirm who pitched and who caught.

    General Mark Milley, who “wants to understand white rage,” played football in high school with transgender Health Secretary Dr. Rachel Levine.

    Both attended Belmont Hill High School in Massachusetts. Milley graduated in 1976, whereas Levine, who was originally known as Richard, graduated in 1975.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @JimDandy

    But is this pattern more significant than "US Embassy Sickness Syndrome"?

    Replies: @JimDandy

  47. I don’t follow the news east of the Pacific time zone. This slaughter sounds like a weekend in Chicago.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Abolish_public_education

    Yeah, but this was like if 12 Chicago cops got killed in one day. That hasn't happened. Yet.

  48. @Hibernian
    @Mike Tre

    Let them grow up to be cowboys instead.

    Replies: @JimB, @Anonymous

    Cow farts will save the world by causing the oceans to swallow NYC and LA

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @JimB

    How soon?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @JimB

    , @The Alarmist
    @JimB

    Methane is far less of a greenhouse gas than water vapour, which is what you’ll get a lot more of burning hydrogen in vehicles.

    Actually, the combination of ruminants like cows and grasslands they control by eating does a far better job of carbon sequestration than anything the Greens have come up with, certainly better than the simple-minded planting of trees and the pumping of CO2 into rocks.

    If anything, people should be eating more grass-fed beef and milk products. The vitamin K will be good for them.

    Replies: @JimB

  49. @Dr. X

    12 Marines Killed in Kabul Airport Suicide Bombing
     
    Well, one thing's for certain: no families at Harvard, Yale, Georgetown or Sidwell Friends are weeping tonight.

    Nor are the Bushes, Clintons, or Obamas mourning the completely senseless loss of Jenna, Barbara, Chelsea, Malia or Sasha.

    I'm sure they're all concerned about women's rights in Afghanistan, and all for putting women in the Marines, though...

    Replies: @anon, @PaceLaw, @Hope, @Jack Armstrong

    Interesting, isn’t it, how 3 successive US presidents (the Clintons, Bushes and Obamas) had a collective total of 5 daughters and no sons? Must’ve been something in the water . . .

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @PaceLaw

    LBJ and Nixon also had 2 daughters each and no sons. Carter, Ford, and GHWB had 3-4 sons and 1 daughter each, not counting Robin Bush who died at 3. Reagan had one of each with both wives, but Michael was adopted.

    , @HammerJack
    @PaceLaw

    Also interesting: given the vaunted diversity of our uniformed services, what exactly are the odds that 13 out of 13 dead would be white males?

    How loudly would our MSM be howling if any other group were so disproportionately represented, much less exclusively??

    "They Were Expendable"

    Replies: @HammerJack

  50. @Thomas
    @S Johnson


    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?
     
    For that matter, I haven't seen anything as far as how many of these "American citizens" were citizens 20 years ago. Do we know anything about that? I have a strange feeling it isn't many.

    I also have a strange feeling about how this incident, representing what appears to be the worst single-day loss of life to combat for the US military in a decade, happened. It should be fairly obvious over the past several weeks that the majority of the Deep State really doesn't want to leave Afghanistan. And I can't see how it could've been in the Taliban's interest to do something this potentially provocative, on the cusp of us leaving anyway. Is there anybody reading this blog right now, in 2021 (yeah, yeah "current year"), who doesn't think that a false flag or something equivalent is a real possibility?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @S Johnson, @PaceLaw, @peterike

    Yeah, I totally agree with your point. Something tells me that many of these “Americans” have never celebrated Thanksgiving and have no understanding of anything that a native born American would take for granted. It seems as if these “Americans“ are that in name only and due to cultural pride and family ties, are really more afghans who just have a quaint association with United States. Sad.

  51. @Abolish_public_education
    I don’t follow the news east of the Pacific time zone. This slaughter sounds like a weekend in Chicago.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yeah, but this was like if 12 Chicago cops got killed in one day. That hasn’t happened. Yet.

  52. @Anonymous
    I think if Biden is smart, this stuff all blows over. He'll do whatever is needed to crawl out of Kabul. And the end situation in terms of geopolitics, people of Afghanistan, terrorism threat, etc. will be the same.

    Sure, they screwed up the evacuation. There was always a big danger of a fiasco. But he probably should have had a smarter, stealthier plan. And if anything we're getting out light.

    But three years nobody is going to obsess on this. I am so fucking tired of the Sean Hannity style grifters short stroking themselves.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer

    I can’t possibly see the “end situation” in terms of geopolitics being the same given the disastrous retreat by America that we’ve seen. To our adversaries around the world, it appears as if the United States is being smacked around by the Taliban/Isis-K. Oh, and did an American general predict that more terror attacks will happen in days to come?

    Biden’s word means nothing in terms of American credibility anymore. This is a complete and unmitigated disaster. America’s standing is like a stock which can go up and down. Right now it is truly a sale.

  53. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden’s a screw up because he’s never held an executive job. He’s never been a mayor or a governor. He’s just been a senator and veep, and neither of those are executive jobs. Senators just vote, and then someone else acts on their decision to make sure the job gets done. As for veeps, well, they do nothing.

    Biden doesn’t understand that executives give oversight to a project to make sure things go right. He’s never had to do that in his entire working life. This guy can’t even manage his wayward son Hunter.

    As for Harris, she’s even worse. She’s been a prosecutor and briefly a senator, but she’s never run anything except a small office. When Biden told her she was in charge of our southern border immigration problem, she ran away. When Biden got into trouble with Afghanistan, she ran away again.

    Note that she did NOT go to Biden and try to give him some good advice about how to deal with the mess. A MALE Veep would certainly have done this. Harris just bolted like a weasel and let her boss fail. She has no loyalty to him at all, and she likely wants him to fail. She sure doesn’t have his back.

    Executives don’t run away. They don’t dodge responsibility. Harris is a coward who’s in over her head. Biden’s just in over his head.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anon


    Biden doesn’t understand that executives give oversight to a project to make sure things go right. He’s never had to do that in his entire working life. This guy can’t even manage his wayward son Hunter.
     
    https://twitter.com/NewMarkRespect1/status/1427215635164041217
    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    Biden’s a screw up because he’s never held an executive job. He’s never been a mayor or a governor ... Senators just vote, and then someone else acts on their decision to make sure the job gets done ...
     
    Deja Vu. This is Biden's Bay of Pigs.
    , @AceDeuce
    @Anon

    Excellent post. And to add to it--Biden wasn't even a good Senator. While you're right about the limited function of the job, there have been men who have become experts in one or more facets of policy, and others who, through their own ability, have done consistent good work beyond that limited scope.

    Joe is not one of them.

    Biden was always dumb, vain, and mean-not mean in a tough way, but a scumbag way. Even the few times he was in the right, he mucked that up.

    And while Harris did have a couple of minor jobs, she, too, was lousy at them.

    You mention the female angle in her weakness and disloyalty. True. But that pales (no pun intended) next to the nonwhite aspect. negroes and other colored people have zilch loyalty to their job or much else beside themselves. negroes will throw their own kind under the bus with no hesitation.They sure have no loyalty whatsoever for an old a/hole White man, even if he gave her worfless butt a job.

    Harris probably feels wronged. Her idea of being VP is strutting around and getting her ugly bony arse kissed as she lives in luxury. Not any kind of actual work.

  54. False flag to keep us there longer. Deep State doesn’t want their ultra lucrative \$2 trillion grift to end.

  55. Anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I think if Biden is smart, this stuff all blows over. He'll do whatever is needed to crawl out of Kabul. And the end situation in terms of geopolitics, people of Afghanistan, terrorism threat, etc. will be the same.

    Sure, they screwed up the evacuation. There was always a big danger of a fiasco. But he probably should have had a smarter, stealthier plan. And if anything we're getting out light.

    But three years nobody is going to obsess on this. I am so fucking tired of the Sean Hannity style grifters short stroking themselves.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer

    Yes. Sean Hannity is a piece of shit.

    Tucker only stopped being a POS a few years ago and now he may be the best dude on the box, but he still grifts. Here’s to hoping he stays on the side of the good guys. Ann Coulter did! But, like Steve, she’s got bithing to lose Tucker does. (And so do we if Tucker goes bsck to being a bowtied billionaire baby.)

    In my opinion Biden did right.

    Except for taking in pseudo-refugees.

    But amazingly, Republicans may even be more responsible for that than Biden!

    They couldn’t just provide Biden cover for “cutting and running” and being done with this could they?

    And now they’re demanding blood because “IS Khorasan” (who have been attacking the taliban daily for 6 years) are trying to get America back involved.

    But that last paragraph, while true, is irrelevant to my main contention which is that Fox and every last Republican Biden-Blamer is a piece of shit.

    Where’s O’Reilly? Is he still loofaing his crusted countenance?

  56. @JimDandy
    Trump won the election, but there's no denying that a LOT of Americans voted for Biden and Kamala to be presidents of the United States. That's the scariest sentence I've ever written.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s a damn depressing conclusion to arrive at, isn’t it??? Both Biden and Harris are simple minded losers (this has been displayed on the public stage many times), but vast sums of the American people enthusiastically voted for them. Crazy, right? It’s almost as if the American people have approved and endorsed debacles such as the one that is happening in Afghanistan right now. The next 3 1/2 years should be a wild ride

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @PaceLaw

    Yeah, the enthusiasm was palpable at the packed Biden rallies.

    , @JimDandy
    @PaceLaw

    Very true, and there's no reason to believe that things won't get even crazier after that 3.5 years is up.

  57. @John Gruskos
    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice.

    Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists.

    Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.

    Replies: @Hi There, @Honorary Jew, @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR

    Okay, but what’s the impact of a handful of people canceling their subscriptions to monopolistic companies? If these corporations were vulnerable to us economically, they’d already be gone.

    I think it requires getting more than a handful of people (the readers of blogs like this) to get their head right. Otherwise, you’re just cutting yourself off from what’s happening in the culture, which may actually make you isolated and even weaker.

    • Replies: @Fluesterwitz
    @RichardTaylor


    Okay, but what’s the impact of a handful of people canceling their subscriptions...
     
    It is less about being bad for them rather than being good for you.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    , @John Gruskos
    @RichardTaylor

    A small win is still a win.

    Depriving woke capital of even one penny is a win.

  58. @raga10
    @S Johnson

    A group affiliated with ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack. It was not really in Taliban's interest, but Taliban and ISIS are not the same thing - actually they are at war with one another.

    Although if a few Americans get blown up Taliban can probably live with that, and if some Afghanis get blown up too, that also sort of serves Taliban's purpose: they want to prevent the locals from trying to escape, after all. This might discourage them from hanging around the airport.

    But there is no need to look for any conspiracies here: Americans presented convenient target, ISIS took the opportunity - as simple as that.

    Replies: @S Johnson

    Yes, agreed. The main difference between ISIS and the Taliban seems to be that the Taliban is only interested in Afghanistan—“Islamism in one country”. ISIS is something of an umbrella term for any dissatisfied Sunni who thinks his own government doesn’t go far enough. They don’t seem to have much support at a state level, though some of the groups the Gulf states (and US) were funding in Iraq and Syria metastasized into ISIS. In socialist terms they’re accelerationists.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @S Johnson

    I'm sure the Taliban also remembers what happened to the Chechens, who defeated the Russians and gained their independence in 1996, but weren't content with that, and began attacking neighboring territories as well. Eventually the Russians tired of this and completely crushed Chechnya.

  59. @Dr. X

    12 Marines Killed in Kabul Airport Suicide Bombing
     
    Well, one thing's for certain: no families at Harvard, Yale, Georgetown or Sidwell Friends are weeping tonight.

    Nor are the Bushes, Clintons, or Obamas mourning the completely senseless loss of Jenna, Barbara, Chelsea, Malia or Sasha.

    I'm sure they're all concerned about women's rights in Afghanistan, and all for putting women in the Marines, though...

    Replies: @anon, @PaceLaw, @Hope, @Jack Armstrong

    Nor does trump.

  60. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1430975844147732480

    https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1430975844147732480

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Cato, @El Dato

    Earlier in this show

    Taliban acquires US military biometric devices that can identify Afghans who assisted coalition efforts – reports

    According to a US Army Corps of Engineers presentation, HIIDE devices use the data collected to create a “portfolio” that can then be imported into Biometrics Automated Toolset (BAT) identification-processing software as a “digital dossier.” This can be scanned against official watch lists for threats.

    Besides tracking insurgents, the Pentagon was also reportedly keen to use the devices to gather unique data on 80% of the Afghan population to check for terrorist and criminal activity. Unnamed sources said biometric details of locals who helped the US were also collected and used in identification cards.

    “We processed thousands of locals a day, had to ID, sweep for suicide vests, weapons, intel gathering, etc. … [HIIDE] was used as a biometric ID tool to help ID locals working for the coalition,” an American military contractor told the outlet.

    Definitely Voter ID on steroids.

  61. The lovechild of Derp Conservatism, Tamerlane and Lack of Self-Awareness now visible on Twitter in the person of title=”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Starnes” href=”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Starnes”>Todd Starnes) (“Award Winning Journalist and Radio Commentator”)

    American talk show host calls for mass violence against Afghans over terrorist attack that killed US citizens in Kabul

    After hours of such abuse, Starnes apparently deleted the tweet. Rather than simply erase it and slink away with his tail between his legs, however, he doubled down on the sentiment, insisting “the killing will continue” if “you do not threaten the Taliban with this sort of language.” That’s despite the fact that the attack was carried out by Islamic State, and not the Taliban, which suffered its own losses in the aftermath.

    Also, Remember Lebanon!

    at 00:34:50

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @El Dato

    How does he still have an account when I was banned for saying, verbatim, "trans people should get cognitive behavioral therapy instead of surgery or hormone treatment."

    Dorsey is a monster.

  62. @JimDandy
    @John Gruskos

    Exactly. Get your news right here. I can now report that these two played with each other, but cannot yet confirm who pitched and who caught.

    General Mark Milley, who “wants to understand white rage,” played football in high school with transgender Health Secretary Dr. Rachel Levine.

    Both attended Belmont Hill High School in Massachusetts. Milley graduated in 1976, whereas Levine, who was originally known as Richard, graduated in 1975.

    Replies: @El Dato

    But is this pattern more significant than “US Embassy Sickness Syndrome”?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @El Dato

    I don't rank the news in importance, I just report things that reinforce my preexisting suspicions, such as Milley being some kind of slowly-transitioning closet queen who goes to weird parties in drag like J. Edgar Hoover.

  63. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian
    @Mike Tre

    Let them grow up to be cowboys instead.

    Replies: @JimB, @Anonymous

    The late Hitchens brother wrote for his regular “War Dogs” column in Slate a brief treatise on the provenance of “cowboy” that, actually, holds up well in my opinion, purely for being cross-culturally informative as well as newly richly ironic… It was meant in indirect defense of Bush, who thought himself one (but in retrospect was less Louis L’Amour, more XIV). I won’t link out of respect for this summer’s watchword/fun pastime of “not aging well” (e.g. the Biden-Harris Administration)

  64. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cato
    @MEH 0910

    To be fair, the Taliban are not Thugs--they are far more morally driven than the average American. If you remember, they began back in the early 1990s as a reaction by Madrassa students to the rapes and robbing of warlords who had taken over the country after the Soviet withdrawal.

    But the Taliban are soldiers, and one should never expect soldiers to forget their comrades who were killed in action, and should never expect them to forget who was responsible for the deaths of those comrades. To provide the Taliban with a convenient list of quislings is so extremely, incredibly, beyond belief that one must think it is either malice or incompetence. Seems like most of the voices I'm hearing are voting for incompetence. But who knows?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That is an interesting view, though the alternative view that they are a creation of Pakistan’s ISI is much more popular with secularist liberals. Long blog post about this by the author/NGO fixer Sarah Chayes has been going around. Karzai was basically their inside man (according to that six-degrees-of-race-realism liberal interpretation). The swiftly trending meme for the globohomoisie is that they were outfoxed by cunning Saudis and Paks

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Anonymous

    People always have their reasons. Like ‘em or not.

    , @Cato
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for the Sarah Chayes tip. I assume this is the blog post you mean:

    https://www.sarahchayes.org/post/the-ides-of-august

    I found it well worth reading.

    Replies: @anon

  65. @S Johnson
    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Thomas, @From Beer to Paternity, @George, @Anonymous

    They actually are Afghanis that decided to spend the covid summer in Afghanistan.

    Two families from a San Diego suburb have made it home from Afghanistan after they went to the country earlier this summer to visit relatives and got stuck there amid the chaos following the Taliban’s takeover, officials said Thursday.

    https://ktla.com/news/california/2-el-cajon-families-who-were-stuck-in-afghanistan-return-4-others-still-stranded/

  66. @RichardTaylor
    @John Gruskos

    Okay, but what's the impact of a handful of people canceling their subscriptions to monopolistic companies? If these corporations were vulnerable to us economically, they'd already be gone.

    I think it requires getting more than a handful of people (the readers of blogs like this) to get their head right. Otherwise, you're just cutting yourself off from what's happening in the culture, which may actually make you isolated and even weaker.

    Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @John Gruskos

    Okay, but what’s the impact of a handful of people canceling their subscriptions…

    It is less about being bad for them rather than being good for you.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Fluesterwitz

    I can see that. But I feel like going monk won't accomplish anything for our people. I'm not saying you are anyone is recommending that, but I just want to ward off any "drop out" approach.

  67. @obwandiyag
    Well of course the Marines are Nazis. Does the pope shit in the woods.

    Replies: @El Dato, @The Alarmist

    Huh?

  68. Did the platoon officer screw up in some way for this to happen? The men wear a lot of body armor.

  69. @PaceLaw
    @JimDandy

    Yeah, that’s a damn depressing conclusion to arrive at, isn’t it??? Both Biden and Harris are simple minded losers (this has been displayed on the public stage many times), but vast sums of the American people enthusiastically voted for them. Crazy, right? It’s almost as if the American people have approved and endorsed debacles such as the one that is happening in Afghanistan right now. The next 3 1/2 years should be a wild ride

    Replies: @Pericles, @JimDandy

    Yeah, the enthusiasm was palpable at the packed Biden rallies.

  70. @JimB
    @Hibernian

    Cow farts will save the world by causing the oceans to swallow NYC and LA

    Replies: @Pericles, @The Alarmist

    How soon?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Pericles

    There's a useful set of maps here

    https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/9/-121.7727/47.2641/?theme=water_level&map_type=water_level_above_mhhw&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&refresh=true&water_level=10.0&water_unit=m

    This is set to see how things look with a 10 metre rise. You can adjust - 10m is the biggest rise it allows. West Coast pretty good except for Boeing, East Coast not so good, big chunks of Florida and Louisiana missing.

    Most continents remain pretty much the same - South America, Africa, Australia, North and North-East Asia.

    Bangladesh and the Low Countries are really in the brown stuff. China loses Shanghai, India Calcutta. Beijing and Cairo become seaside towns, goodbye a lot of low lying Pacific islands. Pity.

    On the plus side, most of Martha's Vineyard, including Obama's 12 million dollar home, will be gone. Nothing says "taking climate change seriously" like investing 12 million in 29 acres of low-lying ocean frontage.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @JimB
    @Pericles

    Depends on how frequently you have backyard barbecues.

    Replies: @Pericles

  71. “But Bagram” – really?

    More:

    And why no mention of Trump’s flawed 2020 agreement with the Taliban?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Paperback Writer

    I like the "huge perimeter to defend" as if they were talking about gnome gardening.

    That's why there is an army there. It's its job.

    No army? No perimeters!

    , @Anonymous
    @Paperback Writer


    And why no mention of Trump’s flawed 2020 agreement with the Taliban?

     

    Because it wasn’t flawed.
    , @Hibernian
    @Paperback Writer

    There are these things called helicopters. Bagram could hold a lot of people. (I was there, 2004-05.)

  72. Lee Smith has an essay up entitled “Assabiya Wins Every Time” that ties together Afghanistan, the decline of America, and Ibn Khaldun’s Muqaddimah.. Readable and convincing.

    As Smith explains, “assabiya” translates, more or less, as “group solidarity.” The ecologist/historical sociologist Peter Turchin has also been emphasizing the concept and its relevance to our current situation in recent years.

    Smith concludes on a positive note:

    We are part of history unfolding before us, as it has throughout time. But to be clear, what we are witnessing is not the end of America. It’s just the end of this particular branch of American leadership.

    I wish I were that optimistic.

    Our rulers are incompetent fools, and I am afraid their hatred for their fellow citizens, combined with the elite’s utter stupidity, may bring down our country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave


    Our rulers are incompetent fools, and I am afraid their hatred for their fellow citizens, combined with the elite’s utter stupidity, may bring down our country.
     
    TPTB saw to it that a guy with clear early-stage dementia won the presidency. They saw to it that an offensive BIPOC woman who got zero votes in the primary was made VP. It’s not enough that they control all institutions and levers of power. It’s not enough that they subjugate the opposition. They feel the need to humiliate and mock.
    , @El Dato
    @PhysicistDave

    That article needs some development though. It is still too much an aggregation of iSteve reader comments (without certain accusations that I won't go into)

    Meanwhile, Christiano Ronaldo will hopefully be called "The Bagram" going forward

    ‘Now he leaves’: Juventus boss Allegri reveals Ronaldo gave him no notice of exit as superstar ‘drives away for last time’ (VIDEO)

    https://twitter.com/footballitalia/status/1431179077923262466

    , @anon
    @PhysicistDave

    As Smith explains, “assabiya” translates, more or less, as “group solidarity.”

    It's almost as if people who are members of tribes share common genes with each other, and thus tend to have behaviors in common as well. That's can't be true, of course, because of the blank slate, the precious blank slate. Must not give up the precious.

  73. Names of the dead will be announced as soon as all family members have been notified. The majority were from the 24th MEU:

    https://www.24thmeu.marines.mil/

    So let’s guess, 10 whites and 3 Hispanics?

  74. I hear that there are a lot of surface-to-air missiles floating around the planet.

    And the evac planes out of Kabul seem to have no protection at all.

    This could get a lot worse.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @PhysicistDave


    I hear that there are a lot of surface-to-air missiles floating around the planet.

    And the evac planes out of Kabul seem to have no protection at all.

    This could get a lot worse.
     

    The U.S. military has very active and effective countermeasures to neutralize any SAMs or MANPADS. They are constantly monitoring all areas within a threat range of the Kabul airport (KBL) and U.S. military aircraft have Directed Infrared Countermeasure (DIRCM) systems that neutralize any MANPADs. And apparently according to General McKenzie in the press conference yesterday there are regular attempts at hitting U.S. military aircraft with MANPADS but these attempts are successfully neutralized (so far with a 100% success rate). McKenzie also said that chartered civilian aircraft are in danger of MANPADS.
    , @Joe Stalin
    @PhysicistDave

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/afdsfdsfasdasfd.jpg

    Airbus A-400 at Kabul airport.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @anon

  75. I keep hearing how the US doesn’t “trust” the Taliban. The Taliban seem to be the only trustworthy crew in that entire shithole. They do exactly what they say they’re going to do. Every time.

  76. @Rich
    Trump and Clinton were impeached for much less. The incompetence in the planning and execution of this mission and Biden's cowardly response calls for the firing of everyone involved in the planning of this mission and the impeachment of this disgraceful president. 13 good men are dead because of a moron.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Can you be specific? Going back to the agreement with the Taliban at Doha, which I’m sure you are an expert on, what would you have done differently?

    • Replies: @Rich
    @Paperback Writer

    Things to do differently :
    1. Keep possession of Bagram air base.
    2. Remove all civilian personnel
    3. Secure areas outside both Bagram and Kabul airports.
    4. Use airpower to slow Taliban advance.
    5. Create no-mans land between last air bases troops are to be removed from.
    6. Additionally, the US could have given more support to the Tajiks who look like they are willing to keep fighting.

    Anything else I can help you with, let me know.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @epebble
    @Paperback Writer

    Very little. Doha agreement is a surrender document.

    https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Signed-Agreement-02292020.pdf

    It is patterned after the Munich Agreement and reads very much like that. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/munich1.asp

    The consequences can be expected to be similar.

    , @The Griffins
    @Paperback Writer

    Take a look at the US "Defense budget" and then explain to me how the US Military is incapable of planning and executing an orderly retreat and complete evac of American personnel from a country they've occupied for 20 years. I won't even mention the hardware left behind.

    It's a totally corrupt and disgraceful clown show. And it will go on and on until the American people stop it and hold those responsible for it accountable..

    Replies: @Anonymous

  77. In the unlikely event Fraudsident Fkface is impeached, he won’t willingly step down, no shitlib ever does. Plus he was placed there by evil vermin to begin with.

  78. @Fluesterwitz
    @RichardTaylor


    Okay, but what’s the impact of a handful of people canceling their subscriptions...
     
    It is less about being bad for them rather than being good for you.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    I can see that. But I feel like going monk won’t accomplish anything for our people. I’m not saying you are anyone is recommending that, but I just want to ward off any “drop out” approach.

  79. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    Lee Smith has an essay up entitled "Assabiya Wins Every Time" that ties together Afghanistan, the decline of America, and Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah.. Readable and convincing.

    As Smith explains, "assabiya" translates, more or less, as "group solidarity." The ecologist/historical sociologist Peter Turchin has also been emphasizing the concept and its relevance to our current situation in recent years.

    Smith concludes on a positive note:

    We are part of history unfolding before us, as it has throughout time. But to be clear, what we are witnessing is not the end of America. It’s just the end of this particular branch of American leadership.
     
    I wish I were that optimistic.

    Our rulers are incompetent fools, and I am afraid their hatred for their fellow citizens, combined with the elite's utter stupidity, may bring down our country.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @El Dato, @anon

    Our rulers are incompetent fools, and I am afraid their hatred for their fellow citizens, combined with the elite’s utter stupidity, may bring down our country.

    TPTB saw to it that a guy with clear early-stage dementia won the presidency. They saw to it that an offensive BIPOC woman who got zero votes in the primary was made VP. It’s not enough that they control all institutions and levers of power. It’s not enough that they subjugate the opposition. They feel the need to humiliate and mock.

  80. @Anonymous
    I think if Biden is smart, this stuff all blows over. He'll do whatever is needed to crawl out of Kabul. And the end situation in terms of geopolitics, people of Afghanistan, terrorism threat, etc. will be the same.

    Sure, they screwed up the evacuation. There was always a big danger of a fiasco. But he probably should have had a smarter, stealthier plan. And if anything we're getting out light.

    But three years nobody is going to obsess on this. I am so fucking tired of the Sean Hannity style grifters short stroking themselves.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer

    Beirut….

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Paperback Writer

    Yes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS_c2qqA-6Y&t=2089s

    at 00:34:50

  81. @Paperback Writer
    "But Bagram" - really?

    https://twitter.com/mgerrydoyle/status/1431054831645388802?s=20

    More:

    https://twitter.com/robcrilly/status/1430912445183320068?s=20

    And why no mention of Trump's flawed 2020 agreement with the Taliban?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous, @Hibernian

    I like the “huge perimeter to defend” as if they were talking about gnome gardening.

    That’s why there is an army there. It’s its job.

    No army? No perimeters!

  82. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @S Johnson
    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Thomas, @From Beer to Paternity, @George, @Anonymous

    How many of these people are garden-variety Americans with names like Johhny Smith and Susie Jones and how many of these are Paper Americans with names like Mustafa and Fatima?
    Inquiring minds want to know. If it’s the latter then we should just pull-out ASAP and wash our hands of this godforsaken place.

    • Replies: @S Johnson
    @Anonymous

    The French mission has now wrapped up after relocating more than 100 French and around 2,600 Afghans. There were obviously more Americans in the country but given the numbers the Biden administration wants to import the proportion of non-dual US citizens to Afghans coming to America is probably pretty similar:

    https://twitter.com/Tom_Antonov/status/1431545795849949187?s=20

  83. @JimDandy
    Trump won the election, but there's no denying that a LOT of Americans voted for Biden and Kamala to be presidents of the United States. That's the scariest sentence I've ever written.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Anonymous

    Someday I’ll tell my kids there was a time when “democracy” wasn’t a code word for anal sex and “election integrity” wasn’t a code word for MIGA.

  84. Signing up for the Marines is literally asking for trouble.

    Asking for danger.

    Agreeing that you will let corrupt civilian leaders decide if you will die.

    So yeah, not a lot of sympathy for these idiots.

    Wake up and stop joining you fools!

  85. @Anonymous
    @John Gruskos

    A VICE reported literally took scopolamine on camera and almost died. And the worst part is that it wasn't staged. Those people are crazy. Literally crazy. 100%.

    Replies: @Blodgie

    That’s your analysis?

    That they are “Crazy?”

    What a shallow, meaningless understanding.

    They aren’t crazy and they aren’t stupid.

    Come up with a little more sophisticated analysis that isn’t an obvious broad dismissal if you want to be interesting.

  86. @PhysicistDave
    Lee Smith has an essay up entitled "Assabiya Wins Every Time" that ties together Afghanistan, the decline of America, and Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah.. Readable and convincing.

    As Smith explains, "assabiya" translates, more or less, as "group solidarity." The ecologist/historical sociologist Peter Turchin has also been emphasizing the concept and its relevance to our current situation in recent years.

    Smith concludes on a positive note:

    We are part of history unfolding before us, as it has throughout time. But to be clear, what we are witnessing is not the end of America. It’s just the end of this particular branch of American leadership.
     
    I wish I were that optimistic.

    Our rulers are incompetent fools, and I am afraid their hatred for their fellow citizens, combined with the elite's utter stupidity, may bring down our country.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @El Dato, @anon

    That article needs some development though. It is still too much an aggregation of iSteve reader comments (without certain accusations that I won’t go into)

    Meanwhile, Christiano Ronaldo will hopefully be called “The Bagram” going forward

    ‘Now he leaves’: Juventus boss Allegri reveals Ronaldo gave him no notice of exit as superstar ‘drives away for last time’ (VIDEO)

  87. @Paperback Writer
    @Anonymous

    Beirut....

    Replies: @El Dato

    Yes

    at 00:34:50

  88. @Hi There
    @John Gruskos


    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice. Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists. Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.
     
    I sincerely share this sentiment. Switch from Gmail to Protonmail. Use the Brave web browser and search engine. use skiff.org for documents. Order from walmart instead of Amazon when cost comparable.

    But otherwise, I'm going to keep my YouTube + Netflix + Amazon subscriptions. You know their service is great when you hate them but still want to buy their products and services anyway.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @John Gruskos, @Wency

    “But otherwise, I’m going to keep my YouTube + Netflix + Amazon subscriptions. You know their service is great when you hate them but still want to buy their products and services anyway.”

    Pretty much everything on Amazon is available cheaper on eBay (and quite often you can find the physical place and order direct). Youtube is free AFAIK, I use Brave plus adblocker so no problems with that, and any male who even watches anything on Netflix or any other mainstream TV/video service – well, I won’t say they deserve what they get*, but they’re complicit in their own dispossession.

    * someone has to watch them, and I’m grateful Steve takes that on, but the sort of male who unironically quotes Mad Men as proof of what life was like in the 1950s…

    • Replies: @Alden
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Shoplifting is much much cheaper than amazon eBay or Walmart. And it’s legal now.

  89. @Paperback Writer
    @Rich

    Can you be specific? Going back to the agreement with the Taliban at Doha, which I'm sure you are an expert on, what would you have done differently?

    Replies: @Rich, @epebble, @The Griffins

    Things to do differently :
    1. Keep possession of Bagram air base.
    2. Remove all civilian personnel
    3. Secure areas outside both Bagram and Kabul airports.
    4. Use airpower to slow Taliban advance.
    5. Create no-mans land between last air bases troops are to be removed from.
    6. Additionally, the US could have given more support to the Tajiks who look like they are willing to keep fighting.

    Anything else I can help you with, let me know.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Rich


    Anything else I can help you with, let me know.

     

    You're a nitwit. Not even a midwit. You are a complete waste of time.

    Not one of the things on your list was doable. Or rather (using airpower to stop Taliban) were done for 20 years.

    Bagram is bullshit. It would have necessitated securing a 42KM road from Kabul, and using 5K troops to secure perimeter. Want a nice, fat, ISKP target? Bagram.

    I'm positive you know what ISKP is.

    Replies: @Rich, @raga10

  90. @Hi There
    @John Gruskos


    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice. Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists. Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.
     
    I sincerely share this sentiment. Switch from Gmail to Protonmail. Use the Brave web browser and search engine. use skiff.org for documents. Order from walmart instead of Amazon when cost comparable.

    But otherwise, I'm going to keep my YouTube + Netflix + Amazon subscriptions. You know their service is great when you hate them but still want to buy their products and services anyway.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @John Gruskos, @Wency

    “Entertainment” products are absolute crap.

    Boycotting Hollywood is a win-win-win-win tactic.

    I save time, I save money, I save myself the aggravation of being exposed to crap, and I deprive my enemies of revenue.

  91. @RichardTaylor
    @John Gruskos

    Okay, but what's the impact of a handful of people canceling their subscriptions to monopolistic companies? If these corporations were vulnerable to us economically, they'd already be gone.

    I think it requires getting more than a handful of people (the readers of blogs like this) to get their head right. Otherwise, you're just cutting yourself off from what's happening in the culture, which may actually make you isolated and even weaker.

    Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @John Gruskos

    A small win is still a win.

    Depriving woke capital of even one penny is a win.

  92. @Thomas
    @S Johnson


    How many American citizens who wanted out still remained in Kabul as of today? Or was the loss of life purely a consequence of the desire to import as many Afghans as possible in order to salvage something from the last twenty years?
     
    For that matter, I haven't seen anything as far as how many of these "American citizens" were citizens 20 years ago. Do we know anything about that? I have a strange feeling it isn't many.

    I also have a strange feeling about how this incident, representing what appears to be the worst single-day loss of life to combat for the US military in a decade, happened. It should be fairly obvious over the past several weeks that the majority of the Deep State really doesn't want to leave Afghanistan. And I can't see how it could've been in the Taliban's interest to do something this potentially provocative, on the cusp of us leaving anyway. Is there anybody reading this blog right now, in 2021 (yeah, yeah "current year"), who doesn't think that a false flag or something equivalent is a real possibility?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @S Johnson, @PaceLaw, @peterike

    For that matter, I haven’t seen anything as far as how many of these “American citizens” were citizens 20 years ago.

    The NY Post did a profile of about half a dozen of the trapped “American citizens.” Basically, they were almost all Afghans living in America who had gone back to visit family. None was white, black or Hispanic.

  93. Why Are So Many Marines Neo-Nazis?

    Given how they are being treated lately, why aren’t more?

    BTW, according to the CFR, the USMC is the Whitest of the services, and blacks are underrepresented.

    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military

    This is an older version, but roughly the same…

  94. @Pericles
    @JimB

    How soon?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @JimB

    There’s a useful set of maps here

    https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/9/-121.7727/47.2641/?theme=water_level&map_type=water_level_above_mhhw&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&refresh=true&water_level=10.0&water_unit=m

    This is set to see how things look with a 10 metre rise. You can adjust – 10m is the biggest rise it allows. West Coast pretty good except for Boeing, East Coast not so good, big chunks of Florida and Louisiana missing.

    Most continents remain pretty much the same – South America, Africa, Australia, North and North-East Asia.

    Bangladesh and the Low Countries are really in the brown stuff. China loses Shanghai, India Calcutta. Beijing and Cairo become seaside towns, goodbye a lot of low lying Pacific islands. Pity.

    On the plus side, most of Martha’s Vineyard, including Obama’s 12 million dollar home, will be gone. Nothing says “taking climate change seriously” like investing 12 million in 29 acres of low-lying ocean frontage.

    • Thanks: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Not satisfied until Obama's palace slides into the sea.

  95. @Goatweed
    My plan for a quick 3 electoral votes, return the residential areas of Washington D.C. to Maryland.

    Move a Marine brigade to the District.

    Make sure all the Marines register to vote.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Make it a Division for good measure. Make sure they are armed … ya’ know, to keep the Congress Critters safe from those terrible deplorables in the countryside.

  96. @obwandiyag
    Well of course the Marines are Nazis. Does the pope shit in the woods.

    Replies: @El Dato, @The Alarmist

    Does the pope shit in the woods.

    Do you mean that nice Catholic guy they pushed to the side, or the globalist stooge Luciferian they installed to replace him?

  97. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    I hear that there are a lot of surface-to-air missiles floating around the planet.

    And the evac planes out of Kabul seem to have no protection at all.

    This could get a lot worse.

    Replies: @Anon, @Joe Stalin

    I hear that there are a lot of surface-to-air missiles floating around the planet.

    And the evac planes out of Kabul seem to have no protection at all.

    This could get a lot worse.

    The U.S. military has very active and effective countermeasures to neutralize any SAMs or MANPADS. They are constantly monitoring all areas within a threat range of the Kabul airport (KBL) and U.S. military aircraft have Directed Infrared Countermeasure (DIRCM) systems that neutralize any MANPADs. And apparently according to General McKenzie in the press conference yesterday there are regular attempts at hitting U.S. military aircraft with MANPADS but these attempts are successfully neutralized (so far with a 100% success rate). McKenzie also said that chartered civilian aircraft are in danger of MANPADS.

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
  98. @Anon
    Biden's a screw up because he's never held an executive job. He's never been a mayor or a governor. He's just been a senator and veep, and neither of those are executive jobs. Senators just vote, and then someone else acts on their decision to make sure the job gets done. As for veeps, well, they do nothing.

    Biden doesn't understand that executives give oversight to a project to make sure things go right. He's never had to do that in his entire working life. This guy can't even manage his wayward son Hunter.

    As for Harris, she's even worse. She's been a prosecutor and briefly a senator, but she's never run anything except a small office. When Biden told her she was in charge of our southern border immigration problem, she ran away. When Biden got into trouble with Afghanistan, she ran away again.

    Note that she did NOT go to Biden and try to give him some good advice about how to deal with the mess. A MALE Veep would certainly have done this. Harris just bolted like a weasel and let her boss fail. She has no loyalty to him at all, and she likely wants him to fail. She sure doesn't have his back.

    Executives don't run away. They don't dodge responsibility. Harris is a coward who's in over her head. Biden's just in over his head.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @AceDeuce

    Biden doesn’t understand that executives give oversight to a project to make sure things go right. He’s never had to do that in his entire working life. This guy can’t even manage his wayward son Hunter.

  99. @Dr. X

    12 Marines Killed in Kabul Airport Suicide Bombing
     
    Well, one thing's for certain: no families at Harvard, Yale, Georgetown or Sidwell Friends are weeping tonight.

    Nor are the Bushes, Clintons, or Obamas mourning the completely senseless loss of Jenna, Barbara, Chelsea, Malia or Sasha.

    I'm sure they're all concerned about women's rights in Afghanistan, and all for putting women in the Marines, though...

    Replies: @anon, @PaceLaw, @Hope, @Jack Armstrong

    You can’t really expect the daughters of Vietnam veterans to risk their lives in another foreign entanglement. Shouldn’t the service of their fathers give them a pass?

  100. Obama’s birthday party was three weeks ago, and it seemed like he was ‘getting the band back together.’ Wonder if this potential event was discussed among the sophisticated, vaccinated, crowd. The U.S. military left behind 75,000 vehicles, 600,000 weapons, and 208 airplanes/helicopters in Afghanistan as the Taliban takes control. Additionally, a \$15 million F-15 trainer was left behind. Hmm. This weaponry will wind up with Iran, who will funnel it to the proxy Palestinians. Anyone following what is happening on the Gaza Strip, now that the world is preoccupied with the U.S. trying to get out of Afghanistan? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/24/israel-bombs-hamas-sites-in-gaza-over-fire-balloons

    White House just ‘postponed’ POTUS meeting with Israeli PM. Lots of stars lining up…

  101. @Hibernian
    @Altai


    My favourite part was when a Catholic man said ‘As it is said in the Book of Isaiah…’. It was so weird and forced, he even did the GWB line ‘At a time of our choosing’.
     
    The first reading in each Sunday Mass is almost always from the Old Testament. In English since about 1963.

    Biden is a colossal phony, similar to Bill Clinton, a Baptist man.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

    Shia LaBeouf did a nice twangy reading of this in “Furry”, Mr.President’s was more austere.

  102. Saw Biden’s speech yesterday afternoon (he was a half hour late I believe). Better than a sleeping pill. I originally gave this guy ’till September before being removed for reasons of incompetence, then I extended it to September of ‘2022. Am staying with the latter but I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t out by next spring, if not sooner. The problem is: What then? President Kamalalabobala? Not even her own party takes her seriously.

    In the meantime the Chinks and Rooshians are laughing up a storm while our allies wait for the other shoe to drop.

    Interesting times we’re in, n’est ce pas?

  103. @Anonymous
    @Cato

    That is an interesting view, though the alternative view that they are a creation of Pakistan’s ISI is much more popular with secularist liberals. Long blog post about this by the author/NGO fixer Sarah Chayes has been going around. Karzai was basically their inside man (according to that six-degrees-of-race-realism liberal interpretation). The swiftly trending meme for the globohomoisie is that they were outfoxed by cunning Saudis and Paks

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Cato

    People always have their reasons. Like ‘em or not.

  104. ISIS really wants to implement life as it was during Muhammed’s time. Taliban feign Islamic adherence to justify Pashtun rule over Afghanistan.

    Liberals, the media, our government and Islam supporters will scoff and claim ISIS is not true Islam, but they are willfully lying.

    This article by the Atlantic, lays it out on why ISIS is very much following 7th century Islamic law.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

  105. @Hi There
    @John Gruskos


    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice. Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists. Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.
     
    I sincerely share this sentiment. Switch from Gmail to Protonmail. Use the Brave web browser and search engine. use skiff.org for documents. Order from walmart instead of Amazon when cost comparable.

    But otherwise, I'm going to keep my YouTube + Netflix + Amazon subscriptions. You know their service is great when you hate them but still want to buy their products and services anyway.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @John Gruskos, @Wency

    Walmart is super Woke, no reason to bother with patronizing them over Amazon.

    I’ve had the thought that, in this era of e-commerce conquering all, maybe someone could retain market share in the US heartland by positioning themselves as obviously anti-Woke. But in terms of mass-market retailers, I don’t think there’s anyone like this, just Hobby Lobby and certain chicken restaurants.

  106. @PhysicistDave
    I hear that there are a lot of surface-to-air missiles floating around the planet.

    And the evac planes out of Kabul seem to have no protection at all.

    This could get a lot worse.

    Replies: @Anon, @Joe Stalin

    Airbus A-400 at Kabul airport.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Joe Stalin

    Sure, but Atlas Air doesn’t fly A-400s, and they don’t have flares. It’s almost as if someone wanted an evacuation aircraft downed.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @anon
    @Joe Stalin

    Airbus A-400 at Kabul airport.

    It's a C-130 turboprop. Nice pic of the low-level anti IR SAM defense.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  107. @Paperback Writer
    @Rich

    Can you be specific? Going back to the agreement with the Taliban at Doha, which I'm sure you are an expert on, what would you have done differently?

    Replies: @Rich, @epebble, @The Griffins

    Very little. Doha agreement is a surrender document.

    https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Signed-Agreement-02292020.pdf

    It is patterned after the Munich Agreement and reads very much like that. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/munich1.asp

    The consequences can be expected to be similar.

  108. @El Dato
    @JimDandy

    But is this pattern more significant than "US Embassy Sickness Syndrome"?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I don’t rank the news in importance, I just report things that reinforce my preexisting suspicions, such as Milley being some kind of slowly-transitioning closet queen who goes to weird parties in drag like J. Edgar Hoover.

  109. @Anon
    https://twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1430943311473389569

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    What does this meme with the face mask mean?

  110. @Anon
    Biden's a screw up because he's never held an executive job. He's never been a mayor or a governor. He's just been a senator and veep, and neither of those are executive jobs. Senators just vote, and then someone else acts on their decision to make sure the job gets done. As for veeps, well, they do nothing.

    Biden doesn't understand that executives give oversight to a project to make sure things go right. He's never had to do that in his entire working life. This guy can't even manage his wayward son Hunter.

    As for Harris, she's even worse. She's been a prosecutor and briefly a senator, but she's never run anything except a small office. When Biden told her she was in charge of our southern border immigration problem, she ran away. When Biden got into trouble with Afghanistan, she ran away again.

    Note that she did NOT go to Biden and try to give him some good advice about how to deal with the mess. A MALE Veep would certainly have done this. Harris just bolted like a weasel and let her boss fail. She has no loyalty to him at all, and she likely wants him to fail. She sure doesn't have his back.

    Executives don't run away. They don't dodge responsibility. Harris is a coward who's in over her head. Biden's just in over his head.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @AceDeuce

    Biden’s a screw up because he’s never held an executive job. He’s never been a mayor or a governor … Senators just vote, and then someone else acts on their decision to make sure the job gets done …

    Deja Vu. This is Biden’s Bay of Pigs.

  111. @PaceLaw
    @JimDandy

    Yeah, that’s a damn depressing conclusion to arrive at, isn’t it??? Both Biden and Harris are simple minded losers (this has been displayed on the public stage many times), but vast sums of the American people enthusiastically voted for them. Crazy, right? It’s almost as if the American people have approved and endorsed debacles such as the one that is happening in Afghanistan right now. The next 3 1/2 years should be a wild ride

    Replies: @Pericles, @JimDandy

    Very true, and there’s no reason to believe that things won’t get even crazier after that 3.5 years is up.

  112. @Paperback Writer
    "But Bagram" - really?

    https://twitter.com/mgerrydoyle/status/1431054831645388802?s=20

    More:

    https://twitter.com/robcrilly/status/1430912445183320068?s=20

    And why no mention of Trump's flawed 2020 agreement with the Taliban?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous, @Hibernian

    And why no mention of Trump’s flawed 2020 agreement with the Taliban?

    Because it wasn’t flawed.

  113. The real danger is Biden. Every foreign adversary knows he’s senile, hopped up on drugs, and his staff is a bunch of idiot young women (but I repeat myself) who cannot make decisions rapidly, know nothing, and have no respect among the military and intelligence cadres.

    Yes, Biden can ride this out as a bad news cycle, with more hostages and videos and lots of Americans left behind and some planes shot down at the end.

    He can’t ride out losing to Putin and Xi, over and over again, because he’s senile and his staff stupid. If his staff were smart, decisive, and respected they could prop up Biden in front of a podium and have him babble, while they get results.

    No smart staff would have allowed the Taliban to be providing security for the airport. They would not have closed Bagram but kept it open with lots of gunships and air assets to provide covering fire for Karzai. They would have held Kabul with enough troops to keep the Taliban out while evacs proceeded. Keeping the city itself free from the Taliban by enforcing it with say, 30,000 troops. With another 30,000 surged into Bagram. This would have used the US Military’s overwhelming power in logistics and machines to keep the Taliban at bay while the US withdrew in fighting order.

    But a stupid female staff unversed in anything but Twitter wars demanded “optics” and the 9/11 Deadline. So that was that. A strong President would have told the Taliban we’d be out by early Jan, staying in Kabul until that time, take it or leave it — and if they left it we’d run area bombing missions and the like and see how they liked that. Maybe with an extra helping of drone strikes and other things. But that would have required testosterone and that was removed from this country by decades of female driven consumerism.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
  114. Will Susan Rice be on the Sunday morning shows to tell us the attack was due to a video?

    • Thanks: Hibernian
  115. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    Lee Smith has an essay up entitled "Assabiya Wins Every Time" that ties together Afghanistan, the decline of America, and Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah.. Readable and convincing.

    As Smith explains, "assabiya" translates, more or less, as "group solidarity." The ecologist/historical sociologist Peter Turchin has also been emphasizing the concept and its relevance to our current situation in recent years.

    Smith concludes on a positive note:

    We are part of history unfolding before us, as it has throughout time. But to be clear, what we are witnessing is not the end of America. It’s just the end of this particular branch of American leadership.
     
    I wish I were that optimistic.

    Our rulers are incompetent fools, and I am afraid their hatred for their fellow citizens, combined with the elite's utter stupidity, may bring down our country.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @El Dato, @anon

    As Smith explains, “assabiya” translates, more or less, as “group solidarity.”

    It’s almost as if people who are members of tribes share common genes with each other, and thus tend to have behaviors in common as well. That’s can’t be true, of course, because of the blank slate, the precious blank slate. Must not give up the precious.

  116. @S Johnson
    @raga10

    Yes, agreed. The main difference between ISIS and the Taliban seems to be that the Taliban is only interested in Afghanistan—“Islamism in one country”. ISIS is something of an umbrella term for any dissatisfied Sunni who thinks his own government doesn’t go far enough. They don’t seem to have much support at a state level, though some of the groups the Gulf states (and US) were funding in Iraq and Syria metastasized into ISIS. In socialist terms they’re accelerationists.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’m sure the Taliban also remembers what happened to the Chechens, who defeated the Russians and gained their independence in 1996, but weren’t content with that, and began attacking neighboring territories as well. Eventually the Russians tired of this and completely crushed Chechnya.

  117. @Pericles
    @JimB

    How soon?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @JimB

    Depends on how frequently you have backyard barbecues.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @JimB

    T-shirt idea (and/or apron): "BBQ With Friends to Destroy NYC and LA"

  118. @Joe Stalin
    @PhysicistDave

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/afdsfdsfasdasfd.jpg

    Airbus A-400 at Kabul airport.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @anon

    Sure, but Atlas Air doesn’t fly A-400s, and they don’t have flares. It’s almost as if someone wanted an evacuation aircraft downed.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @The Alarmist

    Atlas Air is quite capable of downing its own airplanes. They just put affirmative action hires in the cockpit like they did in that 767 that crashed near Houston a couple of years ago.

  119. @JimB
    @Hibernian

    Cow farts will save the world by causing the oceans to swallow NYC and LA

    Replies: @Pericles, @The Alarmist

    Methane is far less of a greenhouse gas than water vapour, which is what you’ll get a lot more of burning hydrogen in vehicles.

    Actually, the combination of ruminants like cows and grasslands they control by eating does a far better job of carbon sequestration than anything the Greens have come up with, certainly better than the simple-minded planting of trees and the pumping of CO2 into rocks.

    If anything, people should be eating more grass-fed beef and milk products. The vitamin K will be good for them.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @The Alarmist


    Methane is far less of a greenhouse gas than water vapour, which is what you’ll get a lot more of burning hydrogen in vehicles.
     
    Wouldn’t more clouds cool the earth?

    Replies: @JMcG

  120. @Balaji
    This botched operation is reminiscent of the incompetent General Elphinstone's retreat from Kabul.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_retreat_from_Kabul

    But while General Elphinstone paid for his stupidity with his life, General Milley and his staff will only have their names dragged through the mud.

    Of course in both cases, most of those killed were expendable deplorables.

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

    General Elphinstone was delirious with malaria when he ordered the retreat with the promise of safe passage.

  121. @Joe Stalin
    @PhysicistDave

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/afdsfdsfasdasfd.jpg

    Airbus A-400 at Kabul airport.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @anon

    Airbus A-400 at Kabul airport.

    It’s a C-130 turboprop. Nice pic of the low-level anti IR SAM defense.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @anon


    It’s a C-130 turboprop.
     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/German_Air_Force_Airbus_A400M_%28out_cropped%29.jpg/300px-German_Air_Force_Airbus_A400M_%28out_cropped%29.jpg

    Note the "T"-tail of the A400.

    Replies: @anon

  122. @PaceLaw
    @Dr. X

    Interesting, isn’t it, how 3 successive US presidents (the Clintons, Bushes and Obamas) had a collective total of 5 daughters and no sons? Must’ve been something in the water . . .

    Replies: @Ralph L, @HammerJack

    LBJ and Nixon also had 2 daughters each and no sons. Carter, Ford, and GHWB had 3-4 sons and 1 daughter each, not counting Robin Bush who died at 3. Reagan had one of each with both wives, but Michael was adopted.

  123. @anon
    @Joe Stalin

    Airbus A-400 at Kabul airport.

    It's a C-130 turboprop. Nice pic of the low-level anti IR SAM defense.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    It’s a C-130 turboprop.

    Note the “T“-tail of the A400.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @anon
    @Joe Stalin

    You are correct.

    Thanks.

  124. @Rich
    @Paperback Writer

    Things to do differently :
    1. Keep possession of Bagram air base.
    2. Remove all civilian personnel
    3. Secure areas outside both Bagram and Kabul airports.
    4. Use airpower to slow Taliban advance.
    5. Create no-mans land between last air bases troops are to be removed from.
    6. Additionally, the US could have given more support to the Tajiks who look like they are willing to keep fighting.

    Anything else I can help you with, let me know.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Anything else I can help you with, let me know.

    You’re a nitwit. Not even a midwit. You are a complete waste of time.

    Not one of the things on your list was doable. Or rather (using airpower to stop Taliban) were done for 20 years.

    Bagram is bullshit. It would have necessitated securing a 42KM road from Kabul, and using 5K troops to secure perimeter. Want a nice, fat, ISKP target? Bagram.

    I’m positive you know what ISKP is.

    • Disagree: Rich
    • Replies: @Rich
    @Paperback Writer

    Sorry, but I disagree with your assessment, as do many military experts. Midwwit, nitwit notwithstanding. But,of course, in your mind, and Joe Biden's, no one else knows what they're talking about. Yet, 13 men are dead who didn't have to die. At least in the opinion of a large number of analysts.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @raga10
    @Paperback Writer


    Bagram is bullshit. It would have necessitated securing a 42KM road from Kabul, and using 5K troops to secure perimeter. Want a nice, fat, ISKP target? Bagram.

     

    I disagree with that. Sure, Bagram would've been another target but it had been a military base so unlike the commercial airport in the middle of the city I would hope it would already be set up for defense. You would need troops to defend it, sure - but these troops were already there and established. All they had to do was not pull them out.

    Being out in the open probably makes it safer for the planes landing and taking off since there would be fewer places around it for terrorists to hide with their short-range weapons.

    As for securing that 42km road? Why, that's Taliban's problem. On the other hand, 42km is not really that far - a determined civilian can walk it in two days fairly easily.

    So yeah, I think keeping that base operational would've been helpful. But it is pretty easy to see why Americans did what they did: they didn't expect their puppet government to collapse as quickly as it did so they thought they would have more time and more controlled environment for their evacuation.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  125. @The Alarmist
    @Joe Stalin

    Sure, but Atlas Air doesn’t fly A-400s, and they don’t have flares. It’s almost as if someone wanted an evacuation aircraft downed.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Atlas Air is quite capable of downing its own airplanes. They just put affirmative action hires in the cockpit like they did in that 767 that crashed near Houston a couple of years ago.

  126. @Joe Stalin
    @anon


    It’s a C-130 turboprop.
     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/German_Air_Force_Airbus_A400M_%28out_cropped%29.jpg/300px-German_Air_Force_Airbus_A400M_%28out_cropped%29.jpg

    Note the "T"-tail of the A400.

    Replies: @anon

    You are correct.

    Thanks.

  127. @Paperback Writer
    @Rich


    Anything else I can help you with, let me know.

     

    You're a nitwit. Not even a midwit. You are a complete waste of time.

    Not one of the things on your list was doable. Or rather (using airpower to stop Taliban) were done for 20 years.

    Bagram is bullshit. It would have necessitated securing a 42KM road from Kabul, and using 5K troops to secure perimeter. Want a nice, fat, ISKP target? Bagram.

    I'm positive you know what ISKP is.

    Replies: @Rich, @raga10

    Sorry, but I disagree with your assessment, as do many military experts. Midwwit, nitwit notwithstanding. But,of course, in your mind, and Joe Biden’s, no one else knows what they’re talking about. Yet, 13 men are dead who didn’t have to die. At least in the opinion of a large number of analysts.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Rich

    You're still a nitwit. Not even wrong. If you want to rate a more substantive response, it's customary to actually cite the military expert and say why he's right.

    "Experts say..."

    Yeah.

    Replies: @Rich

  128. @Paperback Writer
    @Rich


    Anything else I can help you with, let me know.

     

    You're a nitwit. Not even a midwit. You are a complete waste of time.

    Not one of the things on your list was doable. Or rather (using airpower to stop Taliban) were done for 20 years.

    Bagram is bullshit. It would have necessitated securing a 42KM road from Kabul, and using 5K troops to secure perimeter. Want a nice, fat, ISKP target? Bagram.

    I'm positive you know what ISKP is.

    Replies: @Rich, @raga10

    Bagram is bullshit. It would have necessitated securing a 42KM road from Kabul, and using 5K troops to secure perimeter. Want a nice, fat, ISKP target? Bagram.

    I disagree with that. Sure, Bagram would’ve been another target but it had been a military base so unlike the commercial airport in the middle of the city I would hope it would already be set up for defense. You would need troops to defend it, sure – but these troops were already there and established. All they had to do was not pull them out.

    Being out in the open probably makes it safer for the planes landing and taking off since there would be fewer places around it for terrorists to hide with their short-range weapons.

    As for securing that 42km road? Why, that’s Taliban’s problem. On the other hand, 42km is not really that far – a determined civilian can walk it in two days fairly easily.

    So yeah, I think keeping that base operational would’ve been helpful. But it is pretty easy to see why Americans did what they did: they didn’t expect their puppet government to collapse as quickly as it did so they thought they would have more time and more controlled environment for their evacuation.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @raga10


    As for securing that 42km road? Why, that’s Taliban’s problem.

     

    So we're working with the Taliban now, buddy-buddy? You said it, I didn't.

    Anyway, no, it's not the Taliban's problem. It's OUR problem. Anything that can result in a 25 pound suicide bomb is our problem.

    I realize it's hard, but please do some thinking.

    On the other hand, 42km is not really that far – a determined civilian can walk it in two days fairly easily.
     

    Apologies - B is 42 miles, not 42 KMS. And you should have caught my error.

    Doesn't change the essence, though.

    A determined civilian can walk it in two days? Are you insane in addition to being dense? They can walk an area littered with IEDs, between two ridgelines?

    You try it.

    The TB was manning checkpoints to Karzai, and they f'd that up. Imagine what a 42 mile road between ridgelines littered with IED's would have been like.

    I'm using "But Bagram" as a rough heuristic as to how intelligent/thoughtful someone is.

    And you failed, buddy. Major fail.

    Enough.

    https://jabberwocking.com/bagram/

  129. @Paperback Writer
    @Rich

    Can you be specific? Going back to the agreement with the Taliban at Doha, which I'm sure you are an expert on, what would you have done differently?

    Replies: @Rich, @epebble, @The Griffins

    Take a look at the US “Defense budget” and then explain to me how the US Military is incapable of planning and executing an orderly retreat and complete evac of American personnel from a country they’ve occupied for 20 years. I won’t even mention the hardware left behind.

    It’s a totally corrupt and disgraceful clown show. And it will go on and on until the American people stop it and hold those responsible for it accountable..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Griffins

    The conspiracy theory, which seems plausible, is that the generals never wanted to end this war, and are now punishing Biden by deliberately provoking this chaos and pinning it on him.

    However, if given a mission they actually agree with (like disarming 'white supremacists'), the apparent incompetence would instantly disappear and they would carry it out with thoroughness and efficiency.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  130. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Griffins
    @Paperback Writer

    Take a look at the US "Defense budget" and then explain to me how the US Military is incapable of planning and executing an orderly retreat and complete evac of American personnel from a country they've occupied for 20 years. I won't even mention the hardware left behind.

    It's a totally corrupt and disgraceful clown show. And it will go on and on until the American people stop it and hold those responsible for it accountable..

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The conspiracy theory, which seems plausible, is that the generals never wanted to end this war, and are now punishing Biden by deliberately provoking this chaos and pinning it on him.

    However, if given a mission they actually agree with (like disarming ‘white supremacists’), the apparent incompetence would instantly disappear and they would carry it out with thoroughness and efficiency.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    However, if given a mission they actually agree with (like disarming ‘white supremacists’)
     
    Isn't our presence in Afghanistan itself white supremacism? Can't they be left to handle their own affairs?

    Democrats are the real white supremacists. Biden, the crazy one, did the sane thing, albeit not well.
  131. The first two Marine victims whose stories I read included a fellow named “Kareem” with an Iranian-origin surname (albeit with a Trump supporter father going by “Steve”) and a native of Wyoming who left a pregnant black wife. Eugenicists must be confused by all this.

  132. @Anonymous
    @The Griffins

    The conspiracy theory, which seems plausible, is that the generals never wanted to end this war, and are now punishing Biden by deliberately provoking this chaos and pinning it on him.

    However, if given a mission they actually agree with (like disarming 'white supremacists'), the apparent incompetence would instantly disappear and they would carry it out with thoroughness and efficiency.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    However, if given a mission they actually agree with (like disarming ‘white supremacists’)

    Isn’t our presence in Afghanistan itself white supremacism? Can’t they be left to handle their own affairs?

    Democrats are the real white supremacists. Biden, the crazy one, did the sane thing, albeit not well.

  133. @Anonymous
    @S Johnson

    How many of these people are garden-variety Americans with names like Johhny Smith and Susie Jones and how many of these are Paper Americans with names like Mustafa and Fatima?
    Inquiring minds want to know. If it's the latter then we should just pull-out ASAP and wash our hands of this godforsaken place.

    Replies: @S Johnson

    The French mission has now wrapped up after relocating more than 100 French and around 2,600 Afghans. There were obviously more Americans in the country but given the numbers the Biden administration wants to import the proportion of non-dual US citizens to Afghans coming to America is probably pretty similar:

  134. @JimB
    @Pericles

    Depends on how frequently you have backyard barbecues.

    Replies: @Pericles

    T-shirt idea (and/or apron): “BBQ With Friends to Destroy NYC and LA”

    • LOL: JimB
  135. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Pericles

    There's a useful set of maps here

    https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/9/-121.7727/47.2641/?theme=water_level&map_type=water_level_above_mhhw&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&refresh=true&water_level=10.0&water_unit=m

    This is set to see how things look with a 10 metre rise. You can adjust - 10m is the biggest rise it allows. West Coast pretty good except for Boeing, East Coast not so good, big chunks of Florida and Louisiana missing.

    Most continents remain pretty much the same - South America, Africa, Australia, North and North-East Asia.

    Bangladesh and the Low Countries are really in the brown stuff. China loses Shanghai, India Calcutta. Beijing and Cairo become seaside towns, goodbye a lot of low lying Pacific islands. Pity.

    On the plus side, most of Martha's Vineyard, including Obama's 12 million dollar home, will be gone. Nothing says "taking climate change seriously" like investing 12 million in 29 acres of low-lying ocean frontage.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Not satisfied until Obama’s palace slides into the sea.

  136. @Anonymous
    @Cato

    That is an interesting view, though the alternative view that they are a creation of Pakistan’s ISI is much more popular with secularist liberals. Long blog post about this by the author/NGO fixer Sarah Chayes has been going around. Karzai was basically their inside man (according to that six-degrees-of-race-realism liberal interpretation). The swiftly trending meme for the globohomoisie is that they were outfoxed by cunning Saudis and Paks

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Cato

    Thanks for the Sarah Chayes tip. I assume this is the blog post you mean:

    https://www.sarahchayes.org/post/the-ides-of-august

    I found it well worth reading.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Cato

    I found it well worth reading.

    Meh. Merely another libtard NPR thumbsucker.

  137. @Old Prude
    In my experience ex-marines are far more likely to be democrats and liberals than any other branch of the armed services. But admittedly my samples are all from the pre-woke era, so maybe they realize that, as someone recently said "wokeness turns everything to sh**", and they don't want that for their beloved Corps.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    All due respect, you must not know very many Marines–and yes, there are plenty, even in the pre woke era, who have liberal outlooks on a lot of things–or at least some things. But the majority skew conservative—and almost every old serviceman, regardless of branch, goes pretty far right in their old age, if they weren’t already there. Working class people in general, which is where most military men come from, always skew pretty far right as they age.

    Of course, with these current young d*ckless dweebs and strident empty headed [email protected], God only knows, to quote Brian Wilson. For one thing there’s not much working class left, People are either whigger ghetto White wannabees or solid middle-class automatons with no core or spirit, but enough money to avoid the worst of it.

  138. @Anon
    Biden's a screw up because he's never held an executive job. He's never been a mayor or a governor. He's just been a senator and veep, and neither of those are executive jobs. Senators just vote, and then someone else acts on their decision to make sure the job gets done. As for veeps, well, they do nothing.

    Biden doesn't understand that executives give oversight to a project to make sure things go right. He's never had to do that in his entire working life. This guy can't even manage his wayward son Hunter.

    As for Harris, she's even worse. She's been a prosecutor and briefly a senator, but she's never run anything except a small office. When Biden told her she was in charge of our southern border immigration problem, she ran away. When Biden got into trouble with Afghanistan, she ran away again.

    Note that she did NOT go to Biden and try to give him some good advice about how to deal with the mess. A MALE Veep would certainly have done this. Harris just bolted like a weasel and let her boss fail. She has no loyalty to him at all, and she likely wants him to fail. She sure doesn't have his back.

    Executives don't run away. They don't dodge responsibility. Harris is a coward who's in over her head. Biden's just in over his head.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @AceDeuce

    Excellent post. And to add to it–Biden wasn’t even a good Senator. While you’re right about the limited function of the job, there have been men who have become experts in one or more facets of policy, and others who, through their own ability, have done consistent good work beyond that limited scope.

    Joe is not one of them.

    Biden was always dumb, vain, and mean-not mean in a tough way, but a scumbag way. Even the few times he was in the right, he mucked that up.

    And while Harris did have a couple of minor jobs, she, too, was lousy at them.

    You mention the female angle in her weakness and disloyalty. True. But that pales (no pun intended) next to the nonwhite aspect. negroes and other colored people have zilch loyalty to their job or much else beside themselves. negroes will throw their own kind under the bus with no hesitation.They sure have no loyalty whatsoever for an old a/hole White man, even if he gave her worfless butt a job.

    Harris probably feels wronged. Her idea of being VP is strutting around and getting her ugly bony arse kissed as she lives in luxury. Not any kind of actual work.

  139. OT, but related: a German colonel on the motivation of Afghan helpers in the FAZ, a German paper of record, deepl+com translation. tl;dr: they needed the money, tribal affiliation and Taliban pressure would make them informers on the allies, too.

    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/briefe-an-die-herausgeber/leserbriefe-vom-26-august-2021-17501255.html

    Letters to the editor 26 August 2021

    “It was worth it to work for us

    Regarding the Afghanistan coverage in the F.A.Z. of 24 August, and in particular that on the evacuation of local forces plus relatives: Thank you very much for the detailed reporting on the events in Afghanistan, especially on the efforts to fly out local forces and their families. I am also one of the Bundeswehr soldiers who was deployed in Afghanistan. In 2005/2006, I was a colonel in the 9th and beginning 10th German contingent in Camp Warehouse in Kabul, the largest international camp at that time with about 2400 soldiers from more than 20 nations. As far as the local forces are concerned, I have a different approach than the one usually propagated in the media. As commander of Camp Warehouse, I had some local forces. These young men (there were even some Afghan women at Radio Andernach) knew exactly the situation in the society around them.

    Selflessness was the last thing that drove these people to work for us. These romantic-idealising ideas are unknown there or meet with complete incomprehension. Life is much too hard to concern oneself with such prosperity drivel.

    Our local forces were paid a princely wage by Afghan standards, treated well and took part in our excellent lunches as a matter of course. They were usually given clothes, shoes and so on by the soldiers of the German contingent when they changed contingents. I signed dozens of so-called “Mitnahmebescheinigungen” so that these gifts were not taken away from them when they were checked at the guard post.

    So it was worth it to work for us. Of course, this was also known to their surroundings. If they belonged to strong families, tribes, clans, these also benefited and protected these people. Good to know: An Afghan defines himself exclusively by his family or tribal affiliation; individualism is unknown. If they belonged to weaker groups, they had to pay protection money to avoid being killed. In addition, information had to be provided. The Taliban or similar groups were thus informed in detail about our numbers, equipment, possibly even our intentions.

    My two German soldiers who supported me in running the camp were instructed accordingly and warned to be careful when passing on information. I am not surprised that all these local people now want to come to us; after all, they had gained quite a precise insight into our standard of living. Inwardly, these people despise us, which of course they will never admit for understandable reasons. After all, they want to achieve something: Germany as a magnet for prosperity. I don’t want to deny that there may be exceptions. But I have not come across them. But perhaps I was and am blind. With the latter, however, I am in good company when I look at the reports on the collapse of the political order in Afghanistan promoted by the Western states.

    Dr Thomas Sarholz, Colonel (ret.), Andernach”.

  140. @Cato
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for the Sarah Chayes tip. I assume this is the blog post you mean:

    https://www.sarahchayes.org/post/the-ides-of-august

    I found it well worth reading.

    Replies: @anon

    I found it well worth reading.

    Meh. Merely another libtard NPR thumbsucker.

  141. @Bill P
    Everybody talks about the indomitable Afghans as though they are unconquerable. Graveyard of empires and all that...

    I think the truth is more that they are ungovernable and can't even put in a halfway decent effort on the field, which is why weird sects have always taken refuge there.

    Who are these "brave Afghan allies who need saving from the Taliban?" A bunch of incompetents who threw down their guns and ran for the hills. Unlike some of our Vietnamese allies, they don't deserve to come here.

    Now Arab fanatics are blowing up our marines in the midst of mobs of hysterical Afghans who can't get in line or produce coherent documents. I've been to that part of the world. One brigade can take an entire "country," but they can't make it work. What human capital that exists there always gets out, or else it sees the reality of the situation and loots the place.

    Steve's article on the culture of lying really hit the mark for me in a depressing way. I wrote a comment here a couple of years ago along similar lines, but referring to our society in general rather than institutions. Lying about objective reality is an effeminate tendency that highlights our cultural decline. I don't think any of us can claim innocence in that regard because it is so culturally pervasive, from our courts to corporate boards to the common man and woman on the street. We all have to lie just to keep the peace. It's profoundly demoralizing to me, and I'm sure I'm far from alone in that regard.

    But I'd like to point out once again how it enables this cult of losers that has overtaken our culture. Just like the black penalty kickers who lost the World Cup for England, we're expected to cheer the loser Afghans who lost to the widely-despised Taliban and didn't even put up a fight. No more. Losing should have consequences. VAE VICTIS

    Replies: @Hibernian

    They unite against foreigners.

  142. @Paperback Writer
    "But Bagram" - really?

    https://twitter.com/mgerrydoyle/status/1431054831645388802?s=20

    More:

    https://twitter.com/robcrilly/status/1430912445183320068?s=20

    And why no mention of Trump's flawed 2020 agreement with the Taliban?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous, @Hibernian

    There are these things called helicopters. Bagram could hold a lot of people. (I was there, 2004-05.)

  143. Very strange how neocon/liberal pundits on twitter keep bringing up South Korea as a good example on American nation building. Almost 40K Americans died during the conflict, over 100K Korean and CH died, and 70 years of the cost of occupation. Did liberals forget about MASH and how unpopular the war was? Was it really worth it?

    • Replies: @Tom F.
    @Name Withheld

    28,500 American troops are in-country S. Korea, today.

    Let us also consider the native population as Asian, with higher IQ and work ethic. Not fungible with illiterate Afghan non-counters.

  144. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Hi There

    "But otherwise, I’m going to keep my YouTube + Netflix + Amazon subscriptions. You know their service is great when you hate them but still want to buy their products and services anyway."

    Pretty much everything on Amazon is available cheaper on eBay (and quite often you can find the physical place and order direct). Youtube is free AFAIK, I use Brave plus adblocker so no problems with that, and any male who even watches anything on Netflix or any other mainstream TV/video service - well, I won't say they deserve what they get*, but they're complicit in their own dispossession.


    * someone has to watch them, and I'm grateful Steve takes that on, but the sort of male who unironically quotes Mad Men as proof of what life was like in the 1950s...

    Replies: @Alden

    Shoplifting is much much cheaper than amazon eBay or Walmart. And it’s legal now.

  145. @PaceLaw
    @Dr. X

    Interesting, isn’t it, how 3 successive US presidents (the Clintons, Bushes and Obamas) had a collective total of 5 daughters and no sons? Must’ve been something in the water . . .

    Replies: @Ralph L, @HammerJack

    Also interesting: given the vaunted diversity of our uniformed services, what exactly are the odds that 13 out of 13 dead would be white males?

    How loudly would our MSM be howling if any other group were so disproportionately represented, much less exclusively??

    “They Were Expendable”

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @HammerJack

    Not long after that post, we investigated and learned that most but not all of the 13 were w/m. We regret the error.

  146. @John Gruskos
    Get mad and fight back against the likes of Vice.

    Stop giving your money to degenerate social leftists.

    Cancel cable, cancel Netflix, and cancel your mainstream media subscriptions.

    Replies: @Hi There, @Honorary Jew, @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR

    Oh, buddy…

    We are way past the point where boycotts and protests will work.

    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    @AndrewR

    If you have other ideas for how to weaken the regime, I'd be glad to hear them.

    But if you aren't also boycotting Hollywood etc., then you clearly aren't serious.

  147. @Currahee
    I hope Steve is right in saying that most of the actual (racial) Americans are out by now. As for the rest, I hope that the Taliban bags as many as they can before boarding.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    You are retarded.

  148. @Anon
    https://twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1430943311473389569

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    Advocating genocide is ok on Twitter but saying “tranny” gets your account banned

  149. @El Dato
    The lovechild of Derp Conservatism, Tamerlane and Lack of Self-Awareness now visible on Twitter in the person of href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Starnes">Todd Starnes) ("Award Winning Journalist and Radio Commentator")

    American talk show host calls for mass violence against Afghans over terrorist attack that killed US citizens in Kabul

    https://i.postimg.cc/RhY46GkR/derp-conservatism-in-action.png

    After hours of such abuse, Starnes apparently deleted the tweet. Rather than simply erase it and slink away with his tail between his legs, however, he doubled down on the sentiment, insisting “the killing will continue” if “you do not threaten the Taliban with this sort of language.” That's despite the fact that the attack was carried out by Islamic State, and not the Taliban, which suffered its own losses in the aftermath.
     
    Also, Remember Lebanon!

    https://youtu.be/yS_c2qqA-6Y?t=2089 at 00:34:50

    Replies: @AndrewR

    How does he still have an account when I was banned for saying, verbatim, “trans people should get cognitive behavioral therapy instead of surgery or hormone treatment.”

    Dorsey is a monster.

  150. @Name Withheld
    Very strange how neocon/liberal pundits on twitter keep bringing up South Korea as a good example on American nation building. Almost 40K Americans died during the conflict, over 100K Korean and CH died, and 70 years of the cost of occupation. Did liberals forget about MASH and how unpopular the war was? Was it really worth it?

    Replies: @Tom F.

    28,500 American troops are in-country S. Korea, today.

    Let us also consider the native population as Asian, with higher IQ and work ethic. Not fungible with illiterate Afghan non-counters.

  151. That Vice tweet looks like a video clip from that fake Atomwaffen video that Eric Striker was writing about recently.

    The entire “right wing/white nationalist/neo-nazi terrorism” media narrative is fake and glows in the dark.

  152. @HammerJack
    @PaceLaw

    Also interesting: given the vaunted diversity of our uniformed services, what exactly are the odds that 13 out of 13 dead would be white males?

    How loudly would our MSM be howling if any other group were so disproportionately represented, much less exclusively??

    "They Were Expendable"

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Not long after that post, we investigated and learned that most but not all of the 13 were w/m. We regret the error.

  153. @AndrewR
    @John Gruskos

    Oh, buddy...

    We are way past the point where boycotts and protests will work.

    Replies: @John Gruskos

    If you have other ideas for how to weaken the regime, I’d be glad to hear them.

    But if you aren’t also boycotting Hollywood etc., then you clearly aren’t serious.

  154. @Rich
    @Paperback Writer

    Sorry, but I disagree with your assessment, as do many military experts. Midwwit, nitwit notwithstanding. But,of course, in your mind, and Joe Biden's, no one else knows what they're talking about. Yet, 13 men are dead who didn't have to die. At least in the opinion of a large number of analysts.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    You’re still a nitwit. Not even wrong. If you want to rate a more substantive response, it’s customary to actually cite the military expert and say why he’s right.

    “Experts say…”

    Yeah.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @Paperback Writer

    Uh, young man, everyone is saying the whole withdrawal was a debacle. From Col Scheller to General Petraeus. From General McMaster to former Captain, now senator, Tom Cotton. From former Captain, congressman and CIA director Mike Pompeo to Congressman and former Lt Commander Dan Crenshaw. From democrat congressmen Jim Langevin and, former Captain Jason Crow to General Frank McKenzie commander of US Forces in the Middle East.. And the 90, count 'em, 90, retired generals who called for the immediate resignations of Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley for their "disastrous" withdrawal plan. The list is endless of those military experts who have come out and condemned the terrible plan put in place. Well, everyone, except you. Nit meet wit, he stares back at you every morning when you shave.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  155. @raga10
    @Paperback Writer


    Bagram is bullshit. It would have necessitated securing a 42KM road from Kabul, and using 5K troops to secure perimeter. Want a nice, fat, ISKP target? Bagram.

     

    I disagree with that. Sure, Bagram would've been another target but it had been a military base so unlike the commercial airport in the middle of the city I would hope it would already be set up for defense. You would need troops to defend it, sure - but these troops were already there and established. All they had to do was not pull them out.

    Being out in the open probably makes it safer for the planes landing and taking off since there would be fewer places around it for terrorists to hide with their short-range weapons.

    As for securing that 42km road? Why, that's Taliban's problem. On the other hand, 42km is not really that far - a determined civilian can walk it in two days fairly easily.

    So yeah, I think keeping that base operational would've been helpful. But it is pretty easy to see why Americans did what they did: they didn't expect their puppet government to collapse as quickly as it did so they thought they would have more time and more controlled environment for their evacuation.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    As for securing that 42km road? Why, that’s Taliban’s problem.

    So we’re working with the Taliban now, buddy-buddy? You said it, I didn’t.

    Anyway, no, it’s not the Taliban’s problem. It’s OUR problem. Anything that can result in a 25 pound suicide bomb is our problem.

    I realize it’s hard, but please do some thinking.

    On the other hand, 42km is not really that far – a determined civilian can walk it in two days fairly easily.

    Apologies – B is 42 miles, not 42 KMS. And you should have caught my error.

    Doesn’t change the essence, though.

    A determined civilian can walk it in two days? Are you insane in addition to being dense? They can walk an area littered with IEDs, between two ridgelines?

    You try it.

    The TB was manning checkpoints to Karzai, and they f’d that up. Imagine what a 42 mile road between ridgelines littered with IED’s would have been like.

    I’m using “But Bagram” as a rough heuristic as to how intelligent/thoughtful someone is.

    And you failed, buddy. Major fail.

    Enough.

    https://jabberwocking.com/bagram/


  156. [MORE]

  157. @The Alarmist
    @JimB

    Methane is far less of a greenhouse gas than water vapour, which is what you’ll get a lot more of burning hydrogen in vehicles.

    Actually, the combination of ruminants like cows and grasslands they control by eating does a far better job of carbon sequestration than anything the Greens have come up with, certainly better than the simple-minded planting of trees and the pumping of CO2 into rocks.

    If anything, people should be eating more grass-fed beef and milk products. The vitamin K will be good for them.

    Replies: @JimB

    Methane is far less of a greenhouse gas than water vapour, which is what you’ll get a lot more of burning hydrogen in vehicles.

    Wouldn’t more clouds cool the earth?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @JimB

    Hasn’t worked that way on Venus.

  158. @Paperback Writer
    @Rich

    You're still a nitwit. Not even wrong. If you want to rate a more substantive response, it's customary to actually cite the military expert and say why he's right.

    "Experts say..."

    Yeah.

    Replies: @Rich

    Uh, young man, everyone is saying the whole withdrawal was a debacle. From Col Scheller to General Petraeus. From General McMaster to former Captain, now senator, Tom Cotton. From former Captain, congressman and CIA director Mike Pompeo to Congressman and former Lt Commander Dan Crenshaw. From democrat congressmen Jim Langevin and, former Captain Jason Crow to General Frank McKenzie commander of US Forces in the Middle East.. And the 90, count ’em, 90, retired generals who called for the immediate resignations of Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley for their “disastrous” withdrawal plan. The list is endless of those military experts who have come out and condemned the terrible plan put in place. Well, everyone, except you. Nit meet wit, he stares back at you every morning when you shave.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Rich

    Except for Scheller, who is probably crazy, every name you cited is one of the sorry shitbags who lied to us for 20 years. Instead of citing them as authorities, you should be saying they should be relieved of their command and disgraced.

    Thanks for teaching me something though: Americans have forever wars because they want them.

  159. @JimB
    @The Alarmist


    Methane is far less of a greenhouse gas than water vapour, which is what you’ll get a lot more of burning hydrogen in vehicles.
     
    Wouldn’t more clouds cool the earth?

    Replies: @JMcG

    Hasn’t worked that way on Venus.

  160. @Rich
    @Paperback Writer

    Uh, young man, everyone is saying the whole withdrawal was a debacle. From Col Scheller to General Petraeus. From General McMaster to former Captain, now senator, Tom Cotton. From former Captain, congressman and CIA director Mike Pompeo to Congressman and former Lt Commander Dan Crenshaw. From democrat congressmen Jim Langevin and, former Captain Jason Crow to General Frank McKenzie commander of US Forces in the Middle East.. And the 90, count 'em, 90, retired generals who called for the immediate resignations of Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley for their "disastrous" withdrawal plan. The list is endless of those military experts who have come out and condemned the terrible plan put in place. Well, everyone, except you. Nit meet wit, he stares back at you every morning when you shave.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Except for Scheller, who is probably crazy, every name you cited is one of the sorry shitbags who lied to us for 20 years. Instead of citing them as authorities, you should be saying they should be relieved of their command and disgraced.

    Thanks for teaching me something though: Americans have forever wars because they want them.

    • Disagree: Rich
  161. According to this CNN piece, the military needs boots on the ground in Afghanistan to facilitate counterterrorism operations against those who are blowing up boots on the ground in Afghanistan:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/05/politics/afghanistan-counterterrorism-challenges/index.html

    The detailed intelligence picture that officials say the military was able to build in the final hours leading up to the strike offer a window into how the US military has conducted counterterrorism operations in Afghanistan for years. But current and former officials say that with no US troops left on the ground, gathering intelligence is about to become infinitely more difficult.

    This harks back to the other side of the Invade the World/Invite the World coin, when Max Boot lauded diversity in America for facilitating counterterrorism operations against the diverse in America:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/09/12/sorry-tucker-carlson-but-there-are-plenty-of-reasons-why-diversity-really-is-americas-strength/

    Diversity is also important for national security. The New York Police Department has one of the most effective counterterrorism units in the world in part because it is so diverse: 22 percent of the officers hired in about the past 18 months are foreign-born, hailing from 77 countries. If the NYPD needs speakers of Arabic, Pashto, Farsi or Urdu, it doesn’t have to look far. Same with the U.S. armed services and the intelligence community.

    It’s a good thing that diversity is such an American strength, because it is inevitable and unavoidable.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/tucker-carlson-dares-question-dogma-of-diversity-pointing-and-sputtering-ensues/#comment-2514418

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/time-for-an-immigration-safety-review-board/#comment-2562699

  162. Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? | Visual Investigations

    Sep 10, 2021

    The New York Times obtained exclusive security camera footage and witness accounts to show how the U.S. military launched a drone strike that killed 10 people in Kabul on Aug. 29 without knowing who it was hitting.

    Read the story here: https://nyti.ms/39cEdzn

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    US Drone Strike In Kabul Mistakenly Killed Civilians, Not Terrorists: Pentagon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DRpG31MeE8
    Sep 17, 2021


    Gen. Kenneth McKenzie gave a briefing on an investigation into a drone strike in Kabul that killed ten civilians, including seven children, who were "unlikely" to be associated with ISIS-K, admitting "it was a mistake."
     

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1438942310020964352
  163. @MEH 0910
    Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? | Visual Investigations
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtecNyXxb9A
    Sep 10, 2021

    The New York Times obtained exclusive security camera footage and witness accounts to show how the U.S. military launched a drone strike that killed 10 people in Kabul on Aug. 29 without knowing who it was hitting.

    Read the story here: https://nyti.ms/39cEdzn
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    US Drone Strike In Kabul Mistakenly Killed Civilians, Not Terrorists: Pentagon

    Sep 17, 2021

    Gen. Kenneth McKenzie gave a briefing on an investigation into a drone strike in Kabul that killed ten civilians, including seven children, who were “unlikely” to be associated with ISIS-K, admitting “it was a mistake.”

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