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An interesting coincidence: the beginning of October ushered in a double crisis: the first collapse of the Internet and the final failure of the Green Economy. Facebook employees used saws and axes to get into their working places, for the smart doors stubbornly refused to yield the way and their badges had lost their magic touch. It seems the Internet trouble had been initiated by some unknown forces outside of Facebook. These forces have access to the inner working of the Internet. Perhaps it was military; or some obscure technicians guarding Internet secrets. They proved their power: even Facebook’s domain was placed up for sale. Mark Zuckerberg could not do it, I was told. Was it a blackmailer’s threat to global finance? Or an attempt to deflect Congressional hearings? Perhaps it was a simple demonstration of naked power.

At the same time, the first blow of winter revealed the inability of green energy to heat our homes and energise industry. Nature proved its abilities: all of a sudden, Europe’s winds refused to move the turbines. An unusual calm settled in the North, as if the winds were confined by Aeolus in his bag. Energy prices skyrocketed. The excellent future planned for mankind, all digital, internet-based and free of fossil remains, failed to materialise. Instead of continuing our march towards the dreadful New Normal, we shifted back to our troublesome but familiar normality when things went awry. The cowboy hat of Big Tech was too large for its head. Mercifully, this misfortune occurred well before the whole of mankind had been railroaded into smart dwellings heated by the mischievous wind. Otherwise, last weekend could have been the end of Homo Sapiens: we would have frozen outside, unable even to pass through the smart doors.

An energy crisis combined with an Internet failure is very dangerous. Why don’t we encounter extra-terrestrials? Here’s a possible answer: every sapient civilisation destroys itself before it achieves the capability to venture to the stars. Intelligent creatures tend to overestimate their thinking abilities; instead of sticking to known technologies and implementing small improvements, they want to make a giant leap forward. The results are gloomy, as we learn now.

It turns out that overriding smart doors requires a sturdy axe; perhaps green policy and green politicians should be subjected to the same solution. Some energy prices are incompatible with human life.

The Green New Deal turned out to be a quixotic fantasy. We aren’t ready to switch to futuristic sources of energy. Not now, anyway. We might as well stop calling oil, gas and coal by this fancy “fossil” name: they are combustible fuels. The war on combustibles, led by the Rockefeller Fund and joined by young futurists, was extremely successful, perhaps too successful for its own good. Europe and North America, as well as China and Russia have declared their desire to achieve a carbonless world. The contrary opinion, namely that man-made climate change aka global warming is just a hoax, has been officially banned.

China was the first to make the U-turn. They were already decommissioning coal mines in Inner Mongolia when they discovered that they need energy to power their plants. Surprise! Now they are in a national emergency in winter, forced to re-activate mothballed coal mines. The setup for the crisis was the closure of coal mines in Mongolia for globalist political reasons, and the completion of the crisis was stopping the import of Australian coal over a political dispute. Apparently, China’s leaders had been persuaded that the climate is rapidly becoming warmer, and that the Green New Deal means they no longer have to power their factories and heat their homes. It turned out that the globalists were premature, and they are switching back to proven energy solutions.

However, Europe is stubborn. Europeans have been convinced that there is no other way; they have to give up the usual fuels and switch to “clean” ones. Even if they would freeze to death, they will stick to clean energy. The German Green Party leader Annalena Baerbock was asked where she would get energy if the winds were becalmed and the sun was covered by clouds? (It happened this September). Electricity will continue to come from the sockets; but it will be carbon-neutral electricity, she said. “Where should the electricity come from? Of course, further from the socket and of course further from the factories, through the power lines that we have. But this electricity must be climate-neutral in the future.” She doesn’t seem to understand that it takes energy to create electricity.

The Greens are well-intentioned, but indoctrinated and opinionated. In Ghost Busters (1984), a Green activist shuts off the electricity to Ghostbusters’ HQ and disaster befalls New York City. Likewise, the Greens are actively destroying Europe’s traditional energy supplies. Probably it will spell the end of the Green Deal; that is, once people understand that this is a suicidal course.


Recently, natural gas, a convenient source of energy, was subjected to steep price rises over purely political manipulations. Instead of paying so much, the Germans could use Russian natural gas. The Russians have completed laying down the Nord Stream 2, a pipeline for natural gas that leads directly to Germany. If it became operative, the price for natural gas will go down and the German people will be warm this coming winter. But first, NS 2 has to be licensed; it has to satisfy some political conditions that were established some time ago in order to block the NS 2 from delivering cheap gas. Politicians demand that the pipeline must have more than one owner, because it was built by Russia’s Gazprom. Furthermore, they say Poland and Ukraine must be allowed to voice their objections before cheap Russian gas is permitted to cross the German border. Yet Poland and Ukraine are Gazprom’s competitors! If it depends on their permission, no gas will ever come via NS 2; rather it will continue to be delivered for much higher price via strongly anti-Russian Ukraine and Poland.

Putin broke the rise in gas prices by expressing his confidence that the problem will be resolved soon. If he had pointed out that it is far from certain, the price would stayed sky-high, bringing yet more dividends to Gazprom investors. Did Putin act against his (and Russia’s) interests out of pure altruism? Well, no. But Putin wants a healthy, sustainable business, bringing stable profits every year; on the other hand, German and European negotiators want natural gas prices intolerably high, forcing citizens to switch to electricity. Russia could profit a lot today, but there would be nothing for tomorrow. Putin prefers to have satisfied gas customers in Europe.

Europeans could have cheaper energy, both for heating and driving, but their leaders won’t allow that. They decided that energy prices will be high, very high; so you’ll feel every degree of Centigrade/Fahrenheit in your pocket. Putin stated the Europeans miscalculated when they decided to abandon traditional fuels. Perhaps he said so out of kindness, because there is not the slightest doubt: the European and North American leaders knew that ‘clean’ fuels are much more expensive and much less reliable, and still they chose it.

Could it be explained by their hostility to Russia? None of the countries blessed by natural gas and oil (Iran, Venezuela, Russia) are favoured allies of the EU and UK. It seems European leaders are determined to freeze out any houses that are being heated by natural gas. UK regulators rejected Shell’s plans to develop the North Sea gasfield, and Shell is not a Russian or Iranian company. My explanation: they want to kill off oil and gas; and they do not mind the frozen citizens. In the UK, the fuel bills will rise by £400; he who can’t afford it, let him suffer.

This political energy crisis is worldwide. One reason is the huge government purchases of unreliable solar and wind technology. Another reason: combustible energy is underinvested. For quite a few years, energy companies believed that it isn’t worth it to spend money on traditional fuels; they were told that combustibles are on their way out. Now perhaps they will think again. Now that we realize we still need gas and oil, we better start investing in Russia because these products are only found in the far-away Arctic wilderness. It takes time and money to develop new gas fields.

The problem is that East Europeans like to cheat the Russians. They know the Russians are hated by the US and EU elites; so they believe they will get better results through litigation. They keep moving the goalposts to ensure their victory. The Russians started to build NS 2 a few years ago; to counter this development, the gas directive was applied to NS 2 in 2020. It was a peculiar decision: the directive was not around when Russians began to build the pipeline. But East European leaders are extremely dishonest. Advocate General Michal Bobek recently called upon the court to change its decision. Will it, or won’t it?

If the EU will not allow Russians to run the pipeline as they see fit, perhaps the Europeans won’t get any natural gas at all. And then, it will be this very cold winter that will decide for Europeans. The question is, do they prefer to stay well heated, or do they prefer to screw the Russians even at the price of freezing?

Russians also accept the idea of global warming. They think that within the Green New Deal, they will be able to showcase their mechanical talents, their higher education. It is more suitable for them than just selling oil like Saudi Arabians do. However, it is far from certain that sophisticated jobs will actually appear. Russia may be quite cold, but it has a great advantage in the national heating systems built in the Soviet days. It is warmer in Moscow apartments than in Jerusalem in the winter. In Israel, winter is cold; Moscow is better -as I discovered years ago.

Russia is beset by Ukraine and Poland, two very hostile neighbor states, yet Putin still wants to play ball with them. As winter sets in, very soon we shall see if the regulators persist. In the end of October, there will be the conference in Glasgow; and we shall see just how much the Europeans are ready to pay to ‘save the climate’.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

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  1. Notsofast says:

    all of this is just part of the great reset, completely engineered and going according plan. the plandemic to throw a spanner into the world economic engine and terrify the proles into a state of cognitive dissonance so that they willingly accept the new world disorder. apparently covid killed off a majority of the worlds truck drivers along with most of the longshoremen so container ships line up 75 deep at the world’s ports. a container ship wedging itself sideways in the suez canal for a week. my suppliers tell me they have a 400% increase in shipping costs and have to raise my prices by 20% as a result. box stores with empty shelves while amazon has everything you can’t find locally. one third of the small businesses destroyed and the other two thirds hanging by a thread. this is all artificial scarcity designed to drive prices through the roof, while destroying the ability of brick and mortar businesses large and small to survive. these greedy bastards then are claiming putin is using energy as a weapon, while refusing to certify the ns2, are perfectly willing to let their own people freeze and most of their victims are dumb enough to believe them.

  2. Given China’s recent energy troubles, coupled with their announcement of an operating test scale Thorium reactor and plans for a much larger one, I’d bet those inscrutable Chinese will step up their plans for modular small scale thorium reactors so the moron legislators in the US, UK and Europe can purchase them from China in the near future.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  3. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    I really don’t know if it’s too late for most people. I believe if you’re living in a city or suburb you’re pretty much f**ked.
    I have an old shack that needs repairs, but it’s mine, not some bank’s. I have an old truck but it’s mine too. A few years ago I bought a 40 acre woodlot that will provide me with basic building materials and enough firewood to keep me warm for the rest of my life. I taught myself how to grow vegetables and save seeds. I learned how to preserve food.
    It takes time, and I am really glad I didn’t wait.

  4. aandrews says:

    “Why don’t we encounter extra-terrestrials?”

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  5. The mostly phony greens were crushed by pseudo-lefty Michael Moore:

    • Thanks: Druid55
    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Tom Welsh
  6. Oh, shit. You’re right about Facebook.

    But you’re wrong about renewable energy. You really don’t know anything whatsoever about it. But that doesn’t stop you from pontificating. I’ll give you a clue though. You think in ones. Renewable energy is not a one. I know keeping more than a one in your head is an impossibility. But some people who are smarter than you can accommodate a two. Or even 2000.

    I like how you blame the wind for what “markets” (which are a hoax) do.

    • LOL: Chester
    • Troll: Realist, St-Germain
  7. Anonymous[479] • Disclaimer says:

    What a load of HS?

  8. “Where should the electricity come from? Of course, further from the socket and of course further from the factories, through the power lines that we have. But this electricity must be climate-neutral in the future.”

    Electricity grows in wires.












    (And right here is why scientific illiterates should never be put in positions of power, anywhere in the world.)

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Thanks: Tom Welsh
  9. RobinG says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Yes, that’s an excellent film.

    It was sad to see Trump in Iowa yesterday, extolling his support of ethanol. The speech was [the usual] mixture of bubbles of truth in a sea of bizarre fabrication. The MAGA people who buy it all are living in an exceptionalist fantasy land.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  10. anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    • Thanks: Charles
    • LOL: Old Prude
  11. SafeNow says:

    Well North of “awry.” We’ll be lucky to escape with “awry.” The nuclear ash pile scenario could result within three years, from incompetence, miscalculation, systems-error, and the Jewish mental predilection of dissension and contentiousness. My world-war odds, within the next three years: 10 to 20 percent.

  12. Dumbo says:

    Pandemic, energy crisis, large cyber attacks (“predicted” by the WEF a while ago), food shortage (“predicted” by some other big globalist institution, etc.

    Don’t worry. All according to plan…

    As for the green energy nonsense – once people start freezing to death, or feel it deeply in their pockets, most will quickly disavow their good climate intentions. Virtue-signalling is fun only if it’s not too costly.

    Look, I’m all against pollution and for the preservation of the environment, animals and plants — but climate change is a hoax. A costly hoax. Let’s not be stupid.

    Where should the electricity come from? Of course, further from the socket and of course further from the factories

    Exhibit A why (most) women should not be involved in politics? (On the other hand, most male politicians are equally stupid and mendacious, so I don’t know).

    • Agree: Tom Welsh, Alfred
    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @David
    , @Johan
  13. Right on, as far as Western Europe and the US go. The politicians making decisions may despise their own populations, as Pat Buchanan has suggested. If not, they are merely terribly scientifically illiterate.

    Shamir never misses an opportunity to smear Ukraine. Truth is that we are not sufficiently organized or united to recognize or systematically act on, or against, our own interests. We are bringing Soviet-era nuclear back on line and looking for coal and gas where we can find it. We may be a bit short-sighted, but at least we are not totally blinded by green ideologies.

  14. Anon[594] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently, China’s leaders had been persuaded that the climate is rapidly becoming warmer, and that the Green New Deal means they no longer have to power their factories and heat their homes. It turned out that the globalists were premature, and they are switching back to proven energy solutions.

    There is no evidence for that. China has no domestic high quality coal and neither does Mongolia. They either have to import it from Kazakhstan (at insane costs due to shipping across the Indian ocean) or Australia.

    Throw in the compound problems of floods destroying local infrastructure and financial collapse, and you understand now that China is doomed. The Chinese century we were all promised is officially over before it even began!!!

    As for the internet, you guys are always looking for schizophrenic conspiracy theories to explain things that are in reality much simpler and benign. The internet is too big for its own good and the people runnig it now are incompetent. It might have stood a chance back when it was run exclusively by WASPs and Western Europeans, but now it’s run by bug-eyed goofballs from east and south of the Hajnal line. These people couldn’t rescue themselves from a wet paper bag much less run the internet.

  15. Since I don’t use Facebook I didn’t notice that the Internet was down.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @Skeptikal
  16. Anon[594] • Disclaimer says:

    Nah they’re too busy trying to keep their last dam from collapsing. Oh, and their real estate market.

  17. What a relief. There’s no global warming. I guess that means there is no greenhouse effect. Otherwise an increase in greenhouse gases would cause warming. Then there might be no retreat and disappearance of glaciers, no decline of over 60% of the volume of arctic ice. Thank God there are no huge Siberian fires and pingos produced by methane explosions on land and in the East Siberian Seabed. If the oceans were warming the great barrier reef might be dying. Boy are we lucky none of that is happening.

    And we are doubly blessed because there is no peak oil either. Cantarell oil field, once one of the largest in the world, producing 2.1 million barrels a day, would only have produced 159,000 in 2019. Likewise UK oil production in the North Sea, which was annually 398 million barrels in 1999 would have fallen to 220 million barrels in 2007 and would now be 1/3 of peak. Saudi Arabia would have fallen 20 billion dollars short when they tried to unload their depleted reserves in an IPO. Heck if oil was depleting people might in desperation might be trying a crackpot idea called “fracking.” Thank God none of that is happening. It’s all just political.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • LOL: Chester
    • Troll: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @David Homer
    , @Alfred
    , @dina
  18. As some unknown wag postulated:

    “It’s easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.”

    • Agree: some_loon
  19. Before one contemplates what psychopathic drive impels denialists to sabotage the move from fossil fuels so very late in the day, one must face the fact that it does not matter so much. Things are already progressed so far, so rapidly, that Near Term Human Extinction is certain, barring a miracle. A real miracle, not some techno-fix or one hundred such.
    When temperatures reached 50 degrees Celsius, give a fraction, in British Columbia, far, far, far beyond any predictions, we saw a grim truth. The climate system is beyond our puny efforts to predict, and is a vast, chaotic, beast, given to huge shifts when perturbed by forcings, like the greatest and most rapid rise in atmospheric greenhouse gas levels for at least 55 million years.
    These chaotic moves are set in stone for at least several centuries, and their extremity depends on positive feed-backs like melting permafrost and methane clathrates, which are well-known, and surprises, like the recent discovery that carbonate rocks in Siberia are emitting CO2 as they warm, a nice surprise for Shamir and the Sharlatans to deny, fo5r whatever perverse psychopathic rewards denialists enjoy from their performances.

    • Troll: Maddaugh
    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Ace
    , @restless94110
    , @xcd
  20. @RoatanBill

    China is also the largest producer of wind, solar, hydro etc, because, having a meritocratic system, any imbecile and psychopathic denialist is weeded out pretty quickly, and sent to the country to collect night-soil.

    • Troll: RoatanBill, Maddaugh
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  21. @Notsofast

    This ‘energy crisis’ has so plainly been organised by the fossil fuel interests (the greatest pile of wealth on the planet, worth tens of trillions)to enable their denialist goons to spew vitriol at renewables, just before COP 26, that you almost have to admire their audacity. And marvel, yet again, at the imbecile service to power of the MSM presstitute vermin.

  22. ebear says:

    These instructional videos might help explain the tension between Russia and Poland:


    • LOL: Tom Welsh
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  23. Good thing that “things going awry” isn’t a “new” thing.It’s that jewish Gods’ humour.
    Always seems the righteous,jealous,forgiving,vengeful father of unjust sinners never
    can get enough of the labour\$ of love and kindne\$\$ from the weapons manus or the
    experts who teach the words to the world.Donate,volunteer and give more…prai\$e,and
    then, these “things” might just “go” a little less “awry”…?

    Or,maybe,it’s “SICK” people, who have a very bad “VIRUS”?

  24. Why don’t we encounter “extra-terrestrials”? Here’s a possible answer:

    perhaps we stopped looking for them in the right places, by the right ways, for the right reasons. not only that, we even stopped calling them with their proper names, maybe around the time we started calling people “homo sapiens.”

    Joshua 5

    13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”
    14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”

    Acts 5

    19 But at night an angel of the Lord opened the prison doors and brought them out, and said, 20 “Go, stand in the temple and speak to the people all the words of this life.”

  25. Tom Welsh says:

    “It turns out that overriding smart doors requires a sturdy axe; perhaps green policy and green politicians should be subjected to the same solution”.

    It may eventually come to exactly that. Our modern political systems have been carefully and thoroughly citizen-proofed. See all the books that have been published with titles such as “Deterring Democracy”, “Taking the Risk out of Democracy”, “Democracy Incorporated”, “Taming Democracy”, all with the theme of preserving the outward appearance of democracy while ensuring that the citizens have no power or influence at all.

    Edward Bernays and his clique contributed heavily to this trend from 1915 onwards: they used public relations and propaganda techniques to give the impression that the USA was free, democratic, open, etc. when it was none of those things. And today the unholy alliance between state and corporations – the definition of fascism, according to Mussolini – has clamped down hard on every trace of individual freedom.

    If you put a rice pudding in an uncovered bowl into the oven and turn up the heat, at a certain point it will boil over and even evaporate. Your oven will need a thorough cleaning.

    But if you put a sturdy tin can of rice pudding in the oven and turn up the heat, nothing much will happen for a while. Then there will be an explosion and you may need a new kitchen. (Assuming you were not close enough to the explosion that you will never need anything any more).

  26. DH13 says:

    Some energy prices are incompatible with human life.

    That is the aim. Not a bug, but a feature in the mind of the illuminated western elites.

  27. Otherwise a superb article, but GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT A HOAX. Here in SW Ontario, it is as warm as summer twenty years ago. Twenty years ago, even eleven years ago, the leaves would have fallen in a shower of color the first week of September and you would have NEEDED the heat on. Now it is as warm as Summer in July when the climate was normal, and the leaves will be green till December. This year is significantly warmer than last year, ominous, but easy to live with. I have all the windows open and no heat at 3AM in mid-October. No more Canadian Summer, the most beautiful Summer in the world. I remember swimming in a North Ontario lake, The Milky Way rising over a clear July night to the sound of Loons calling, gone forever. But no one notices. If it was getting colder, everyone would be freaking out. Talking to the kids is like talking to a wall, I don’t bother. It is now very difficult to find the Average World Wide Temperature on the internet, Sauron suppresses it. But I managed to find it, Average World Wide Temperature is now 1.21C above the 1880-1910 Thirty Year Average. We just busted 1.0C in 2015, a mere 6 years ago. That doesn’t mean a Summer’s day goes from 30C to 31.2C, it produces an anomaly of 30C to 42C, even higher. By 2030 we will be 1.5C above Earth Normal, and 450ppmCO2, and that is “Game Over”. “Greenies”, who believe Renewables-Will-Save-The-Planet are MUCH worse than the Global-Warming-Is-A-Hoax morons. I ask Greenies to give me some numbers to justify their position, they have none. Greenies and Hoaxers, two sides of the same coin, issued by The Propertied Class. The Greenie position ensures a world where the common people will suffer, will pay for everything they didn’t cause. What I don’t get is how the Propertied Class will achieve their Georgia Guide Sones Solution without perishing themselves, they probably don’t know either, just improvising.

  28. Renoman says:

    Don Henley said “people change very slowly if they ever change at all”.
    This may be where the Globalist agenda truly fails.

  29. Weaver says:

    Wonderful article! I hadn’t heard of FB being hacked like that. The open Internet shouldn’t be trusted. Zuckerberg thinks he’s some sort of emperor.

  30. Weaver says:

    Individuals eventually get taken by age. I hope you have a family to care for as well. 40 acres is a good amount. Ironically, wind and solar allow for fully off grid living, at least while the wind blows and sun shines.

  31. I think that the venerable Andrei Martyanov (from his his post on 03/10, if I’m not mistaken) wrote it best: if you want to be a superpower – get your energy in order; if you want to kill your country’s economy – go “green”.

  32. Jiminy says:

    I can’t see anything wrong with using wind or solar when available, and then to rely on gas power stations when necessary. I think that’s the sensible thing to do. The idea of net zero just seems to be an absurd notion. I think solar on your roof is great, but that’s only because we’re being paid more for our electricity generated than what we buy it for at night. Unfortunately one inverter has already died, just after warranty finished of course. It was probably a one dollar capacitor no doubt. Tesla batteries run out of warranty before you pay them off, which is a risk. Higher priced power is better than being lower priced as it makes the user be aware of the ability to lower costs by conserving power. People going out to work in the morning and leaving the air conditioners running for their cat or dog is just plain crazy. My brother is one of those who would be using airconditioners in winter while wrapped up in a couple of thick doonas to stay warm. I don’t think companies need to break people but there’s no gain in giving the power away either. But unfortunately political decisions clearly aren’t always the right decisions.

    • Agree: jim bob beers
  33. DH13 says:

    Climate Change is real. It was real. It will be real. And it is natural.
    Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) is a hoax though.

    • Thanks: Fred777
  34. Tom Welsh says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    A really excellent (though most depressing) film. One of the themes is that the “green” movement has already been bought up by wealthy interests, and works for them.

    Another – more fundamental – theme is that we are in the position of a chess player whose opponent has announced mate in ten moves. We can wriggle, and we can deceive ourselves, but it’s very likely that there is already no way out.

    Contrary to what many people persist in claiming, there are just far too many people – and the numbers keep growing – with aspirations to far too high a standard of living. If you doubt that, try watching this film for a start.

    Innumeracy is one of our greatest problems. People chatter away about green energy, renewables and sustainability. But until quantified, those mean nothing. Once you do the numbers – as exemplified in the film – you discover that the brand-new “renewable energy”plant actually costs more fossil fuel energy to construct than it will replace during its entire lifetime.

    Or you are told that a wood-burning plant is “sustainable” – until you understand that to power a medium-sized town you have to clear all the trees from whole hillsides every month.

    Lord Kelvin wasn’t wrong when he wrote, over a century ago, “I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of Science, whatever the matter may be”.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Skeptikal
    , @anon
  35. Spect3r says:

    So… how about you explain what he got wrong instead of just rumble?

  36. @Jiminy

    The birds, well what is left of them, might disagree about nothing wrong with solar and wind energy.

  37. Climate is controlled by the sun, moon, and oceans. We could clean up the oceans, but can’t do squat about the moon and sun. CO2 is what plants breathe. The cold kills more then the heat. Put it all together, ditching coal fired energy is a huge mistake. Now I will be stuck burning wood all winter, drying clothes on racks in front of the two woodstoves, and cooking a lot of stock on top of them. All of that is done to save on money and energy use. Thanks greenie tools.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  38. Reality be damned, the narrative reigns supreme…

    If renewable energy runs counter to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and people die from exposure, well that’s too bad, but they gave their lives for Holy Mother Gaia.

    If the Covid vaccinations maim or kill millions of people, well that’s too bad, but they died protecting everyone in the name of collective morality.

    If reducing CO2 shuts down half the world’s food supply, and hundreds of millions die from starvation, well that’s too bad, but they gave their lives fighting anthropogenic global warming.

    The globohomos and their leftist minions are hell bent on creating monumental disasters out of normal situations. They don’t have any valid problems to be solved, instead they just make one up out of whole cloth and create a crisis, simply because it doesn’t match some nebulous ideal floating around in their tiny minds. Then they seize power to instigate a holy crusade, forcing endless fixes without ever solving anything. These people are not only insane, they have no qualms about dragging the rest of us down into hell along with them.

    • Agree: Fred777
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  39. gotmituns says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I don’t use the dumb thing either but from what I understand of it, someone will start by saying, “I just took a dump and counted 3 floaters and 2 sinkers and got 37 “likes” from my “friends” who he/she/it doesn’t even know.

    • LOL: Maddaugh
  40. “In Israel, winter is cold…”

    After conquering Iraq and Iran, Israel should have plenty of gas and oil of its own if their man in the White House would get off his duff and fly those bombers, after all, he is always wearing the aviator sunglasses, just in case.

  41. @Jiminy

    The sensible thing to do is use SMR’s (Small Modular Reactors). Specifically, Thorium fuel cycle reactors that don’t require the pressure vessels the current crop of reactors depend on not to blow up.

    Investigate the Thorium fuel cycle and the reactor designs they intend to use once the legal system removes the laws preventing them from even being tested in the US. The law is preventing the solution needed to get rid of fossil fuels. Solar and wind are fine as far as they go, but they aren’t reliable. The only viable long term energy solution is nuclear and the correct version of nuclear is the Thorium variety.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Jiminy
    , @jim bob beers
  42. Maddaugh says:

    You are a very clever fellow ! I do not think it is too late but people always believe things will get better. Too much Norman Vincent Peale reading perhaps ? So they put off what they should do until they are trapped.

    It is easy to police and control the Urban crowd. However, as you well know, if you keep a low profile in the backwoods, SWAT ain’t coming out there to enforce any law. As well, with those kinds of assets one can split off from the shopping mall and never miss a thing.

    A good plan on your part !

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  43. @Notsofast

    In an otherwise interesting article, Shamir failed to state the only source of energy which has the capability of solving our long term energy needs: Nuclear Power! But the Greens prefer unsightly bird killing windmills, which are worthless when frozen (remember the freak winter storm in Texas last spring?).

    As for Amazon providing you with all you need within 2 days of ordering, that is becoming a thing of the past, as the junk from China they sell to millions of American couch potatoes is sitting somewhere in the ocean, unable to be delivered. On the bright side of the breakdown of the supply chain, kids get too many toys on Christmas anyway.

    Folks, we are in for a Perfect Storm. Will the illegally installed Biden-Harris democrat tyranny survive the fine mess they’ve created?

  44. TG says:

    Ah, but we forget: there is a “green” source of energy that is totally reliable and perfected and has both stable baseline load and surge capacity and multi-year storage and load-leveling, and the technology is well understood. That’s hydroelectricity.

    The trick is that there are only a few good sites for hydroelectricity. In 1900, the global population was about 1.6 billion. If it had been allowed to stabilize at that level (that is not a mis-print: had been allowed), we could be getting most of our electricity from hydropower. No need for wind turbines or exotic daydreams like nuclear fusion, the little in fossil fuels needed would have been easily sustainable for centuries if not millennia giving plenty of time to figure it all out.

    But, largely because of the rich and their desire for every more cheap labor and ever more economic growth for its own sake, the population has been forced up to about 8 billion and climbing, and so of course we can’t use hydropower for more than a tiny and dwindling fraction of our energy needs.

    I know I know, the rich scream about the evils of ‘overpopulation’ all the time, but they’re lying. When it comes to real policies, they always demand that populations grow.

    I mean, until recently Canada had what would have been a stable population of about 25 million, and got a large fraction of electricity from hydropower. The rich have decided that Canada’s population simply MUST be forced up to 100 million and more: goodbye to relatively abundant clean and cheap hydropower.

    Because “saving the planet” and “going green” suddenly don’t count when the rich want to make more money by jamming in more people.

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  45. @Anon

    As anyone who lives in San Francisco knows, the Indians control the internet. Majority of IT staff at all major US corporations are Indians. They are also now CEOs of many IT companies. India is a country of brilliant mathematicians and logicians. If they didn’t have their ridiculous caste system, the country could easily pass Chinese economically and technologically.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  46. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    but their leaders won’t allow that. They decided

    These supposed “leaders” are American flunkies taking orders from their boss who controls them through bribery, blackmail, etc. They’re also on the NATO leash, going out of area to places like Afghanistan where they have little interest. It’s what’s good for the US as it sees it, not what’s good for their citizens. They’ll be extorted for higher energy costs some of which will find its way into US accounts one way or another. US sure does have a vendetta against Russia, communist and then not, it doesn’t matter.

  47. utu says:
    @Tom Welsh

    …the brand-new “renewable energy”plant actually costs more fossil fuel energy to construct than it will replace during its entire lifetime.

    I do not think this is true. However if all costs of building and maintaining the plant over its lifetime are included certainly the net energy produced is much lower than it is being claimed byt the green energy lobby. But it is possible that for some wind farms and some solar plants what you say might be true because of the efficiency loss in traditional baseline power plants due to their power cycling if energy from renewable sources must be injected into the power grid..

    I am sure that there is a scam about biomass. In principle it is renewable energy but only if you plant every year sufficient number of trees that in 20 years there will be as many 20 years old trees as many as you cut this year. In other words it must be a renewable forest plantation where you have 19 years old tree, 18 years old trees, 17 years old trees, etc. . But this is not the case in many 3rd world countries or even the US.

  48. BorisMay says:

    In the UK, and I suspect everywhere else, wind turbines are subsidised by the state. Grants are made from the public purse to build them and the owner is guaranteed a minimum price for the electricity supplied to the National Grid. This guarantee also applies for when the wind turbine fails to supply any electricity at all. Consequently wind turbines are a scam run by the rich at the expense of the poor who pay taxes to the exchequer. This means that whether or not the wind turbine is producing electricity the tax payer provides the owner with a guaranteed minimum income.

    Global warming is totally natural too. CO2 is food for plants, trees and shrubs. If there is any serious reduction in CO2 then the earth’s forest lands will be turned in to deserts. People who think they can improve the planet by reducing CO2 are quite simply either brain dead or running a scam.

    In the UK energy prices have always been high. When I was a child in the 1950s our house has single glazing, no central heating or air conditioning, and on winter evenings we had an open coal and coke fire in the lounge from when we finished supper at 6pm until everyone went to bed at 9pm. I went to bed at 6.30pm until I was 12 years old. Bedrooms had no heating of any sort and we slept under blanket covered sheets with an eiderdown on top.

    There was a single bar electric fire for chilly summer evenings which is rain swept summers was often needed, but the heat provided was token. More a sort of psychological comfort than anything else.

    People were tough in those days. There were no snowflakes, no pansies and no one complained about it. It was thought that if you were a little bit hungry and a little bit cold then you were normal. People today are a bunch of bed wetters. Pathetic.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  49. … they do not mind the frozen citizens.

    Or the dead, dying, and disabled citizens, to wit the only acceptable way through COVID Clown World being through the jabattoir.

    The “citizens” are the problem, not the end customer to be pleased.

  50. David says:

    The more costly the virtue signalling, the more it feels like real virtue. While the elites jostle for worldly goods, it’s religious enthusiasm that motivates their armies. They imagine they’re suffering for the Truth, and are happy to sacrifice. The people freezing to death will be blamed on you and the faithful won’t doubt it.

    • Agree: RobinG
  51. glib says:

    But, to close your previous article, today my first friend here in Russia got forcibly jabbed (well, not forcibly forcibly. she could have chosen unemployment). so the mildly positive vaccine/covid picture you have provided in various articles is shattered. I enjoy your writings but why the combined power grab (first the elections then open ended forced jabs) and why now?

  52. Maddaugh says:

    People were tough in those days. There were no snowflakes, no pansies and no one complained about it. It was thought that if you were a little bit hungry and a little bit cold then you were normal. People today are a bunch of bed wetters. Pathetic.

    You can say that again. These days any utility malfunction for a few hours sends the fruitcakes (about 80% of the population) into a tailspin. However, even a look or a word can send the flakes into a tizzy running for their colouring books, safe spaces and trauma councillors.

    What is considered a PTSD event these days would send my parents (and your’s too) into gales of laughter. Back in the day Grandparents would smack you across the head for being a weakling. My Grandmother told me that during the war, after they had all read the newspapers, they would bundle the paper as tight as possible, light it up and it would burn for hours. Cut off heating fuel for a day and we would have a fucking insurrection. These days it is fashionable to be a sensitive i.e a pussy.

    Hence the amusing world we live in The majority of people in the West will perish if there is is a major disruption in the “comforts”of modern life !

  53. Maddaugh says:

    I really don;t know why the infatuation of FB, Instagram and these social media sites. I have never had an account and I am still going strong.

    Of course I am not in the least interested in the minute by minute daily events in this or that person’s life. People are obsessed with what the next person is doing. Never mind that, there is a harvest of cats, dogs, parrots and rabbits doing shit on SM with millions of comments and cheerleaders !

    My nieces and nephews send me crazy with this shit. There is no having a conversation with them. They tell me it helps them keep in touch with what;s happening>>>>>>>>with their 1000 friends of which 999 are other lame brain kids they dont know and have never met. Shit, they may be in the same room and text each other !

    Even in the most dramatic events knowing right away is, it seems to me useless. “Uncle Bob just died !”. Back in the day a person to person phone call through a flock of telephone operators generally advised other family members that the old fuck had finally croaked. Whats the point of knowing immediately, Uncle Bob is in fact DEAD, in the morgue and knowing 24 hours later by homing pigeon makes not one bit of difference.

    Fuckerberg knows well that people have an extraordinary desire for recognition and a pat on the back. Even criminals have become stupid enough to boast of their exploits on social media. Markie also knows he can leverage all the personal bunk they share with every Tom, DICK and Harry for more and more profit.

    If people just stopped using the platform the whole circus will collapse. They wont and so they must live with the consequences. We live in a world of idiocy and maybe the only solution for the intelligent few is to flee it altogether.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  54. Poco says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Global warming is a good thing.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  55. Mevashir says:

    Russians also accept the idea of global warming. They think that within the Green New Deal, they will be able to showcase their mechanical talents, their higher education. It is more suitable for them than just selling oil like Saudi Arabians do. However, it is far from certain that sophisticated jobs will actually appear. Russia may be quite cold, but it has a great advantage in the national heating systems built in the Soviet days. It is warmer in Moscow apartments than in Jerusalem in the winter. In Israel, winter is cold; Moscow is better -as I discovered years ago.

    President Putin recently commented that climate change and global warming is the real cause for permafrost melting across Siberia, endangering infrastructure and destroying communities. Do you dispute this?

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  56. Fred777 says:

    “Climate Change is real. It was real. It will be real. And it is natural. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) is a hoax though.“

    But you cannot create a command economy with that argument.

  57. CSFurious says:

    You are still in deep trouble without other people. The only way to survive will be with other people helping you.

  58. Ace says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    ** chaotic moves are set in stone for at least several centuries **

    And you know this how?

    And what exactly is “forcing”? Is that something like “neoliberalism” or “capitalism”? Everyone seems to know what those terms mean but I have no idea. They seem awfully squishy to me. Much like “the rules-based international order.”

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  59. @Graham Seibert

    Don’t you mean “the Ukraine”? Glory to the heroes!

    • Replies: @Graham Seibert
  60. Jiminy says:

    I read somewhere that Lockheed are going to manufacture small self contained nuclear power stations. Everyone seems to be aiming for the size of a shipping container. And I think the Russians were making them to take up to the arctic for various reasons. Maybe mining. But I thought the only reason that the type of nuclear reactor that is in production was chosen was because it was part of the weapons manufacturing pipeline.
    A funny thing about young people and their dependence on electronic media. I was in the front yard watering when I heard a crash. Across the road lay a cyclist who rode into a stop sign on the wrong side of the road while playing with his phone. Lucky he never got run over. Would have made a great funny home video.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  61. @Bombercommand

    When a shift in climate conditions began to materialize, the degenerate “combustible” sector paid to have scientists claim that no such shift was apparent. For whatever reason, the Combustion Kings seem to have believed initially that Homo sapiens use of combustible energy sources was driving the shift, and so, as they have for a few hundred years, they lied and said that the climate shift was made up by commies and smelly hippies. But the evidence of the shift was undeniable, and so the biggest of the big combustible kings began to back away from some of the nastier combustibles. However, there is no evidence that the behaviour of homo Sapiens is actually driving the shift. Homo sapiens can no more stop climate shift than the dinosaurs could stop a celestial body from striking earth.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
    , @Skeptikal
  62. As Shamir talks about climate change, I think it’s worth reading an article from today that tell what’s happening. Be careful, harrowing but important reading:

    Code Red on FacingFuture.TV by Robert Hunziker:

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  63. @Maddaugh

    I really don;t know why the infatuation of FB, Instagram and these social media sites. I have never had an account and I am still going strong.

    There are nice videos with bears. It’s the only thing that is interesting for me in FB.

  64. Ace says:

    Leaves still on the trees. There you go. Climate change!

    Today in Wyoming the high will be 25 deg. F below the average temperature. And . . . the leaves are still on the trees. Will it be a frigid winter here for me?

    And as for “that is ‘Game Over,’” how do you know that? Computer climate models can’t even reproduce historical temperatures.

  65. @Notsofast

    We all are going to be free. Free of possessions, free from choosing and yet we will be happy.
    The world you and I knew is finished, kaput, done with. Although I’m not sure how this will be done, it is true.
    Welcome to the the global ranch, dear sheeples.
    I too have had 2 jabs of Sputnik V and had Covid prior to that. Let’s see, life is getting more interesting as the days go by.
    I’m 65 btw.

    • Replies: @peterrabbit
  66. Ace says:

    As succinct and accurate statement of the whole climate “issue” as I’ve seen.

  67. @TG

    “But, largely because of the rich and their desire for every more cheap labor and ever more economic growth for its own sake, the population has been forced up to about 8 billion and climbing.”

    You’re exactly right. The imbecilic so-called “elite” (think John Kerry & George Bush Jr) are directly responsible for creating the modern ailments they now blame on the fly-over classes. Their “solutions” for the problems they themselves have created will inevitable lead to more of the same disastrous outcomes.

  68. @Anon

    I’m ‘there’ too. I could see this coming down the pike for years, just didn’t know which precise form it would take. I’m as ready as I’ll ever be, living in a remote area with no roads for ingress or egress, a ferry stops in every two weeks and lots of edible critters available from the sea and the surrounding land. 5 freezers full, 2 pressure canners & accessories, dehydrators, a smokehouse and enough food for several years all canned-up and/or ready to quickly prepare for meals or snacks.

    This sumbitch is about to get triple ugly for most. And not a damn thing to do for it in this late hour. I’ve been warning people I know for over 10 years, a person can only do so much.
    But I’m gonna ride this thing out one way or ‘tother.

  69. @Maddaugh

    Agree. But a solution is all ready in the works:

    “In the future it will be a question of finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old, because as soon as it exceeds 60-65 years man lives longer than he produces and costs society dearly, then the weak and then the useless who do nothing for society because there will be more and more of them, and especially the stupid ones.

    “Euthanasia targeting these groups; euthanasia will have to be an essential instrument of our future societies, in all cases. We cannot of course execute people or set up camps. We will get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good…

    “We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

    “We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.

    “Finally (and perhaps especially), since no war can be won unless the peoples waging it believe it just and necessary, and unless the loyalty of citizens and their belief in its values are maintained, the chief weapons of the future will be the instruments of propaganda, communication, and intimidation.”

    Jacques Attali, Jewish Globalist and Adviser to French President François Mitterand, from Interviews with Michel Salomon, The Faces of the Future, Seghers edition 1981:

    • Thanks: Ace
  70. @Bombercommand

    The World’s temperature is always fluctuating, so be humble and accept that we don’t know it all.
    Could it be that we are not responsible but it’s the cycles of the Sun ?

  71. izzy says:

    Fermi’s Paradox hit a bump with the Tic-Tac videos, which semi-officially confirmed what many witnesses have said before – they’re already here, and have been for some time. What we call history is often just a lot of guesswork.

    “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio…”

  72. @Jiminy

    I wouldn’t rely on the old merchants of death dinosaurs to produce anything beneficial for mankind.

    The current reactors scattered around the world should never have been constructed. Alvin Weinberg, who holds the patents on the tech for those reactors was opposed to their construction, preferring molten salt Thorium reactors for which he also holds the patents. His reason was because the typical nuclear reactor operates at high pressure requiring a huge containment building should things go wrong. Fukushima and Chernobyl were exactly what he feared. No one listened to him.

    Currently, it is illegal in the US to construct even a test Thorium reactor. US companies are being forced to go elsewhere for pilot plants, such as the one being proposed for Indonesia. The US is going to lose out on the technology that was pioneered in the US in the 1960’s. China is clearly in the lead and they have mainly engineers and scientists in their gov’t compared to the lawyers and bartenders in the US’s. Given China’s manufacturing capability and long term vision, they will likely be supplying the world with SMR’s in the not too distant future.

    Small Modular Reactors (SMR) are the future and they will be Thorium based because of technical reasons, for the most part. Although one could use Uranium, it has too many problems via its physics to be reasonable.

    • Replies: @xcd
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  73. Dario says:

    Why the author does not write that all attempts of Poland and Russia to cooperate in the gas transit to Western Europe were torpedoed by the USA? The last attempt in 2010 to start talks about the Yamal gas pipeline ended with the intervention of U.S. diplomats.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  74. Blissex says:

    I like this article, but this bit greatly underestimates the chinese state:

    «Apparently, China’s leaders had been persuaded that the climate is rapidly becoming warmer, and that the Green New Deal means they no longer have to power their factories and heat their homes.»

    The main concern of the chinese state is pollution, which is causing severe damage to the chinese population and in particular to its agricultural areas; all developing countries went through a period of deadly pollution (see England, 19th and 20th centuries). Coal power generation is very polluting, and that’s why the chinese state wants to phase it out.

    They seem also worried about “climate change”, because it is impacting the agricultural lands of large parts of China, but they are fortunate that it is also making the lands of northern China/Manchuria more agriculturally viable. “Climate change” has been a reality for the past few billion years on Earth, and it is has not been slower in the past thousand years than before. Probably human activity is accelerating it, but also probably it is not the major factor.

  75. @Mevashir

    Siberia is still cold enough for anybody)))

  76. @Dario

    Poland rebelled against the USSR; surely the Poles can rebel against the US and EU.

    • Replies: @Dario
  77. @Maddaugh

    “SWAT ain’t coming out there to enforce any law”

    They won’t send local SWAT, it would be Federal special ops.

    Ruby Ridge Siege

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  78. John S says:

    Energy is the most abundant cheap thing in the multi-verse and it is the right of all intelligent beings to have as much as they want for as little as possible. If your brother wants to do that with his air-con and duvets then that is no-one’s business but his and the multi-verse is designed to allow that.

  79. Mevashir says:
    @israel shamir

    Pretty stupid comment Israel. It doesn’t matter how cold it is if the permafrost is melting and taking down buildings with it.

    • Agree: RobinG
  80. I find it telling that the upper echelons of society, the billionaire class all want to get the hell off planet earth ASAP. What the hell do they know that we don’t? As for the resent internet outage, the source code allowing FB and others to thrive have been compromised. Digital AI bot coders are now battling analog human coders faster than a speeding poleez car at a BLM riot.
    Be prepared for what’s coming next by moving some digital assets into tradable analog commodities, you can thank me later.
    The battle lines are being drawn and we the observers are allowed to watch live on our big flat screens and mobile devices the end of the world as we know it.
    Hallelujah hallelujah, praise our government plantation masters and praise digital AI Gods of NanoVax BL4 BioLab heaven. Amen

  81. @SaneClownPosse

    Lifted from Wikipedia Ruby Ridge piece.

    The feds set you up before you even know what hit you. Be a lone wolf, informants everywhere.

    “ The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) first became aware of Weaver in July 1986, when he was introduced to a confidential ATF informant at a meeting at the World Aryan Congress.[21] The informant portrayed himself as a weapons dealer. Weaver had been invited to the meeting by Kumnick, the original target of the ATF investigation. It was Weaver’s first time at this Congress. Over the next three years, Weaver and the informant met several times.[21] In July 1989, Weaver invited the informant to his home to discuss forming a group to fight the “Zionist Organized Government”, referring to the U.S. government.”

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  82. Lochearn says:

    Israel. you know the only deal, be it green or fuck the landlady deal is a Jew deal. You frolic and you dance around the issue at the same time as you know what the deal is. It’s the Jew deal.

    The Jew Deal has bankrupted the West. The Jew Deal is so cocky it thinks it can take on White America, destroy its values, turn it upside down and come out all kosher.

    The Jew deal is Wall Street, City of London. Our task is to confront the Jew Deal.

  83. Maddaugh says:

    Yes of course you are right. However, the attention of the G Men was stimulated by the fellow being wanted in the first place.

    The Gumment does not have the resources to watch everyone no matter how efficient and ruthless they may be or appear to be. Hence they will focus their attention on those asking to be made an example of or those who make themselves a nail.

  84. Maddaugh says:

    I read your comment before I made my remark at #84. Hence I was correct and so are you. He attracted attention to himself. As well he was awfully naive. He should have:

    >Kept a low profile
    >Shut the fuck up not trusting even spouse, family, close friends or neighbours

    If they dont know they cannot tell tales. So when the G Men ratchet up the pressure they have nothing to give up. Unfortunately it is a fact of life that your closest and most trusted will make a deal to give you up and save their own skin.

    Surely even back then and more so now, people know that the Feds are into the entrapment, instigation and informant game. These days it seems less a question of solving crimes than encouraging them so they can be “solved”.

    Since we cannot put a whup ass on rice farmers and goat herders, we are now beating on our own. The chickens always come home to roost. A lot of those rice farmers and goat herders are now in country. It s going to be interesting to watch the G Men get after a bunch of people who dont give a shit about anything.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  85. @obwandiyag

    You really don’t know anything whatsoever about it.

    You’re also right about renewables not being a “one”. I don’t know the energy situation in Europe, but I doubt if they’re any better off than the US. I’d wager they don’t have many international power lines. Probably an undersized investment in photovoltics.

    If the EU was worth a pewter ****, they’d have a crash program going for insulating buildings – among other energy-saving projects.

    BTW, is there more than one “Israel Shamir”? Some articles I downloaded in the past by a person using that name didn’t give the impression of being written by a complete ignoramus.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @TheJester
  86. pyrrhus says:

    Or move South to somewhere you won’t see extreme winter temperatures, preferably with a wood stove and some acres of woodland for backup…

  87. @Rev. Spooner

    you will have nothing and you will unhappy

  88. @Maddaugh

    That’s what can be expected from undercover g-men who like spoiled adolescents brats, seek to prove to their psychopathic masters what good little phucers they are, and that they earned a hard days pay by entrapment, corrosion, bribery and extortion on unsuspecting individuals.
    Now that’s what I call a well funded racketeering enterprise on the tax payers dime.

  89. @aandrews

    Why don’t “we” encounter terrestrials?
    Sparrows, for example. Talk about intelligent civilisation!

  90. @Graham Seibert

    Of course not. It is a true sign of the Rightwing Authoritarian Mentality to reject science, rationality and any concern for future generations. Hence the rejection of ‘green ideology’, if that is what you mean. If you actually accept the science and the evidence, how do you expect to avert the climate destabilisation Apocalypse?

    • Replies: @Graham Seibert
  91. @Anon

    From Kazakhstan ‘across the Indian Ocean’???!! Are you sure?

  92. @Bombercommand

    Instructive of the ‘liberal’ Green organised political mentality in the West in the path of the German Greens, now a thoroughly Rightwing, neo-liberal, Atlanticist claque. You cannot cure the ecological apocalypses, of which climate destabilisation is but one, in a capitalist economy where neoplastic growth, year after year, is mandatory. Hence our terminal, self-inflicted, position.

  93. @Anon

    If China had to import coal from Kazakhstan across the Indian ocean, that would be a good reason to resent US militancy in the Indo-Pacific. Fortunately, China shares a thousand-kilometre land border with Kazakhstan, so trains can do the job.

    • LOL: israel shamir
    • Replies: @Anon
  94. @Bombercommand

    Where does your shit go when you take a dump?

    No, I don’t mean in general. I mean you, specifically. Where does it go? Who deals with it? You?

    Have you ever taken out an old toilet? Repaired your septic system?

    The reason I ask is because people who are alarmed over what everyone around them is doing and who issue warnings and forecasts of a dire future are people whose predominant emotional state, as Freud observed, is disgust.

    They find their own output disgusting. And especially they find the output of other people disgusting. And not just their shit either. Everything that other people do is disgusting. So, when they are asked how long humanity has left, they respond with a smirk, “Not long. We’ve fucked everything up.”

    You can see this disgust literally written on the face of that witch, Greta Thunberg. Such people would, in times of yore, have gone into the monastery, having renounced this worldly life because of their disgust with its decay and decadence.

    Today, now though, they instead project their internal state of mind, their emotion of disgust, outward in faultfinding the ways of the people who surround them. In doing so they can preen themselves by sweetening their bile with a dollop of objective science and spice it with a dash of moral condemnation. Not they!, but the deaf other who won’t heed their timely, well-intentioned warning are the source of their disgust and despair.

    So I ask because, as I say, disgust generally begins with respect to your own body and your own doings–what you produce. And that drives how you perceive the worthiness of what you see people doing around you.

    People who condemn pretty much everything and everyone around them are often driven by disgust at their own perceived filthiness.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  95. @rufus clyde

    Analysis of air bubbles trapped in Antarctic ice show 7,000BC at 274ppmCO2. Measurements made around 1900 in England show 274ppmCO2. Measurements in Eastern US late 1930’s show 310ppmCO2. American scientist Charles David Keeling set up the world’s first continuous monitor of CO2 in Hawaii in 1958, and is still operating. The first monthly measurement was March 1958, 313ppmCO2. The yearly average is expressed as the mean. CO2 goes down slightly during the Northern Hemisphere Summer growing season, and rises during the Winter, about 5ppm between low and high. The mean for 2020 was about 416ppmCO2. It was about 370ppmCO2 in 2000. The year 2000 was the first year that temperature anomalies occured that didn’t need to be measured, but could be experienced by the average person. By 2012 it was close to 390ppmCO2, and the anomalies were much more frequent and severe, but not nearly as bad as today. Most of the severe change has occured after 2015. As you can see, the CO2 level increased by less than 20ppm in the first 12 years of the century, but by over 26 ppm in the next 8 years, so the rate of increase year by year is speeding up. Most importantly, the anomalies are not linear, but increase in frequency and severity out of proportion to the incremental change. If you insist that the CO2 has a natural source you will be hard pressed to name it, in fact you can’t. All the evidence indicates that the increase of CO2 is human activity sourced, and all the evidence tracks increases of Average World Wide Temperature and the severe climate disruptions we have been experiencing to the steadily increasing CO2 levels in the atmosphere. I am not a “Greenie” and do not support the “build-in of renewables will save the planet” nonsense. The Greenies have not demonstrated with numbers how their plan will work, because they can’t. 1ppmCO2 is equivalent to 7.8 billion tons of carbon dioxide, so Carbon Capture is a pipe dream, if the tech existed, which it doesn’t, and never will. Cheap abundant energy gives humans a healthy dignified life. The dirty secret is that China is increasing its coal consumption, not lowering it, they just lie and lie and lie. People need energy and they couldn’t care less about the natural world, they live artificial lives of carpeted rooms and automobiles. The inertia in the system of industrial development is too large to stop, much less reverse. It will therefore continue to wherever it is going. We live in a bubble now, very mild winters and very hot, but not unbearable summers. In ten years, with 60C for weeks at a time in Summer and 30C winters with severe drought people will start howling, but it will be too late. Geo-engineering isn’t working, they are spraying ChemTrails like mad but each year to less and less effect. The rainmaking effect of the spraying is working in a weak way, but better than nothing, a lot better actually, and please let it continue to work.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  96. ccr says:

    I don’t understand why coal rich countries don’t refine their coal into fuel oil. Surely this would be cleaner to burn. I read somewhere that we have at least 600 years supply of coal.

    • Replies: @xcd
    , @RoatanBill
  97. ccr says:

    Kazakhstan and China share a 1100 mile border. Why would they ship coal via the Indian Ocean?

  98. @restless94110

    Cloud changes caused the atmosphere to warm? Phew, that’s a relief! I thought atmospheric warming caused the clouds to change. It just goes to show!

    • Replies: @restless94110
  99. Avery says:

    {The Green New Deal turned out to be a quixotic fantasy. We aren’t ready to switch to futuristic sources of energy. Not now, anyway}


    [Why renewables can’t save the planet | Michael Shellenberger | TEDxDanubia] (Jan 2019)

  100. Anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Badger Down

    Except there are no rail lines that can bring the coal through the mountainous and arid regions of Western China. It has to go by ocean freight all the way to eastern China via the Indian ocean.

  101. Sparkon says:

    There is no real need to remove and sequester CO₂ from the stack emissions of coal fired power plants. It is an entirely unnecessary but expensive process that makes new, much cleaner-burning coal fired power plants almost too costly to operate.

    CO₂ is plant food, and has nothing to do with global warming or climate change, both of which are entirely natural processes. Earth has been hotter in the past, and also colder. Just look at those ancient forests found beneath melting glaciers. Just look at Ötzi, the Iceman.

    Today, the real pollutants can be scrubbed from the stack emissions of coal fired power plants.

    Commonly known as scrubbers, flue gas desulfurization (FGD) systems are a highly efficient and reliable means of removing SO₂ as well as particulate matter, hydrochloric acid and other air toxics.
    In fact, SO₂ removal efficiencies often are as high as 98 percent to 99 percent. Scrubbers with advanced designs routinely meet targeted efficiencies of 95 percent. Many scrubbers currently retrofitted to comply with the Clean Air Act’s acid rain provisions will remove more SO₂ than required, thus generating marketable emission allowances.

    By many estimates, we have enough coal to last for centuries.

    Meanwhile, so-called renewables can’t carry their own weight, rely on subsidies to stay afloat, kill birds, and will leave us all shivering in the dark.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  102. @Zachary Smith

    Hey, you get what I mean by a “one.”

    I was trying to be enigmatic in a vain attempt to make them put on their little thinking caps.

    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
  103. ccr says:

    This article says coal goes to China from Kazakhstan via rail to the Black Sea and then by sea to the east coast of China.

  104. Skeptikal says:
    @Tom Welsh

    “Once you do the numbers – as exemplified in the film – you discover that the brand-new “renewable energy”plant actually costs more fossil fuel energy to construct than it will replace during its entire lifetime.”

    And Michael Moore was crucified by “green” lefties such as George Monbiot for, basically, putting up money for this film to be made.

    The actual director, writer, composer of the music, narrator, reporter, and on-screen talent was Jeff Gibbs. Not Micheal Moore.

    How the greenie-lefty tried (and largely succeeded ) to get this film banished and canceled was a disgrace.

    Bill McKibben was a disgrace.

    Al Gore was a disgrace.

    I thought the film was excellent; a few scales fell from my eyes when I saw it and then witnessed the reactions.

    Now, the green energy folks want to destroy the bottom of the oceans with mining for rare materials needed for “green” energy (story about this in The New Yorker). Precisely the dynamic described in the film: destroying huge swaths of the environment and other living things, being totally cavalier about the right of other organisms to live and other ecosystems to survive, because of a “green” agenda to fight climate change. Supposedly. It is madness.

    “Robbing Peter to Pay Paul.”

    This design could be the logo of the
    “Prove it to me” green energy movement.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  105. Skeptikal says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    If the green left would get onto the problem immediately of neutralizing all of the world’s military forces, especially that of the USA, the CO2 problem, if there is one, would be solved.

    Along with a whole lot of other problems.

    Military is the biggest polluter, biggest purchaser of fossil fuels, biggest degrader of ecosystems.

    Are the military planes and vehicles going to run on solar and wind energy?

    Or is the plan that only the military gets access to fossil fuels?

    Eff that!! The military are totally unproductive. Basically their job is contamination and despoliation of planet Earth.

    Why isn’t this called out by the Greta ilk? Why aren’t they demonstrating outside the gates of military bases and calling for the neutering of all military? USA, Russia, China, India, Ethiopia, Eritrea . . .?

    All military should be demobbed. Bases turned into residential communities surrounded by farms (if land and groundwater not hopelessly polluted, like Otis Air Force Base, on Cape Cod).

    The demobbed can go and work on the farmland or on cleanup of the the ex-military toxic waste sites.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  106. Skeptikal says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The internet wasn’t down.

    Only Facebook was down.

    You sound confused.

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  107. @obwandiyag

    Sir, I fear enigmatic/subtle is wasted around here. Recently I renamed my bookmark Lunatic Magnet Unz Review.

    I’d really like Mr. Shamir to do some homework, for the man almost certainly isn’t a sloping forehead type. I was vexed when I used the term ignoramus, and immediately regretted it. Being unlearned about a single issue certainly doesn’t apply to all of them.

    Now a link to one of the many, many Fossil Fuel denier sites. These *hores of the Fossil Fuel industry are paid to churn out reams of propaganda so as to throw up a smokescreen and delay the halting of their sales of the oil/gas/coal which have gotten us into the mess we’re in. This particular story is one where they screwed up.

    Europe has been on a steady cooling trend for a long time. Yet atmospheric CO2 has been increasing the whole time. PROOF that “Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) is a hoax”!

    Except the well financed morons blew it in this instance. A long-predicted consequence of Global Warming is that the Atlantic Heat Conveyer will falter as gigatons of cold melt water from the North Pole and Greenland pour into the North Atlantic. This has started, and is already well advanced. And the consequences will be brutal. If Mr. Shamir will glance at his world globe, he’ll see that Europe in the same lattitudes as Canada. Yet Europeans don’t have the well insulated buildings Canada has long used. I recall many people died in a rare heat wave a few years back – air conditioning is rare, too. Disastrous European cooling is indeed possible in a warming world. By and by their crops are going to start getting real unreliable, too. Freezing and starving in the dark is what they’re looking at down the road. And the great adventure has already started.

    The EU is going to have to get its ass in gear. Instead of bombing African nations like Libya, build monster PV arrays on that continent, and power lines to bring the electricity north. Widely dispersed wind turbines, instead of at a few local spots which can be becalmed. Stuff like that.

    • Replies: @Obstinate Cymric
  108. @Skeptikal

    You are certainly correct that the military waste a huge amount of resources, and create huge pollution, AND kill and destroy a good deal. And, of course, the USA is responsible for 50% of that waste. And CO2 and methane and nitrous oxide and other greenhouse gases ARE a massive threat to human survival. Why do denialist not accept long proven science? A death wish?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  109. @Skeptikal

    So what do you recommend? Letting the fossil fuel business go on as before, and die in a ‘hot-house’ climate apocalypse this century, or do without capitalism and its neoplastic growth religion on a finite planet? Which is it?

    • Replies: @RobinG
  110. @Sparkon

    Is it some sort of mark of membership of the denialist death-cult to continue to squawk moronic untruths, over and over. CO2 is plant food, up to a certain level. However availability of water, and average and extremes of temperature, maxima and minima are just as essential, and deeper and longer droughts and heavier and more frequent hydrological events, rain, hail, tempest, snow etc, all exacerbated by the greenhouse effect, rather ruin your simplistically moronic ‘argument’.
    Yes, Big Brain, the world has been hotter and colder in the past, but NOT when eight billion people were alive, and when global climate regimes change rapidly, too rapidly for species to adapt, there are what are called Mass Extinction Events (I’m not hurting you ‘brain’ am I?)one of which, the sixth major one, we are in right now, with denialist imbeciles marked for eradication. Killing birds is mega-moronic, even for a specimen like you. Cars, cats, windows, oil-spills etc, kill many orders of magnitude more birds every year than wind-turbines. As if a hater of Life on Earth gives a fuck about birds.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Syd Walker
    , @RobinG
    , @xcd
  111. @ThreeCranes

    I know where my shit goes when I take a dump. I have visited it, secretly, by climbing the fence at night. A sewage treatment plant along the Don River. Why I support “limited government”, sewage disposal and a potable water system, all for very modest Property Taxes. Septic tanks are illegal here, all I know of septic tanks is to keep trees well away from them, but in certain jurisdictions they make perfect sense. I understand, in a practical way, how to deal with my own shit from many years of camping in North Ontario, the most beautiful place in the world(cue “Helpless” by Neil Young). Dig your scat-hole shallow, and at least 100 feet from any body of water. I make an art of shitting in North Ontario, I analyze elevations, preserve the layers of soil I dig, then return them to their place. You can’t find the place where I shat, raccoons are more careless, a lot more careless. I know, and love, a place where you can drink from the lakes you canoe on. I don’t think Greta Thunberg and her ilk are motivated by disgust, but by delusion and arrogance, the mentally ill drive to feel “better than” others. I know vegans that blame global warming on “meat-eaters”, but drive automobiles daily and fly long distance several times a year. They don’t understand they are absurd, and their absurdity is supported by technology that causes the problems they claim to care about, but don’t. On the other hand, I don’t subscribe to “Unabomber Philosophy”, that 167IQ didn’t do Ted a bit of good, he merely killed innocents and didn’t move his mission forward an inch. When you get older, and experience tragedy, watch someone who shouldn’t suffer a terrible death dying and can’t do anything to stop it, then learn that life goes on oblivious, you know where we are now.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  112. @mulga mumblebrain

    Green is not always good. The green movement involves a great deal of hypocrisy and self-dealing. Quite a few people have opened their eyes to these facts over the last few years, among them Bjorn Lomborg, Michael Shellenberger, Patrick Moore and (gasp) even Michael Moore in “Planet of the Humans”.

    I have done my own research into global warming. If we burned all of the remaining fossil fuel endowment in the world, something we could never do, it would, per the IPCC formula, raise the temperature only about 5°C, to a level which the Earth has sustained several times over its geological past. There is no known technology that could recover more than 30 or 40% of that fossil fuel endowment.

    Michael Moore makes a good case for the financial motives behind the environmental movement. Recommend that you watch his movie. It would be impossible for me to agree with everything he says, but the mere fact that he made this movie speaks to his integrity.

    Integrity is a keyword in this argument. I do not see that any of the four names above are slated to profit greatly by their positions. Unlike billionaires such as Elon Musk, Al Gore, the Solyndra gang and so on.

  113. @rufus clyde

    Nouns in Slavic languages take no articles. Could go either way. Ukrainians seem to be prickly on the subject, so I go with just plain “Ukraine” so as not trigger the easily offended.

  114. One answer to Fermi’s Paradox is probably the stupidity of species in promoting pseudo science.

  115. anon[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Welsh

    far too many people how come?

    how about a far too wasteful social system and far, far too many rich people aiming past Mars piling up their wealth

    how many single groups of a million Chinese ordinary people own a billion dollars, even collectively. how many actually want to and are focused thusly?

    how many millions similarly elsewhere?

    ‘too many people is a capitalist population pejorative, now that with automation and robotry people are a revolutionary threat in every increasing unemployment and poverty while the billion/trillionaires pile fortunes way past Venus. I remember in some history book, a huge american celebration in 1925, when the arrival significant millionth of american population was celebrated, as an additional consumer and all else the individual could be in capitalism to the benefit of america’

    that was 196 years ago and they are all dead…every last one of all those generations then, the world over. isn’t that waiting for us well. imagine 2175 then! by then our purge would have long been accomplished.

    by then what…too few people! Robo just isn’t cutting it!

  116. @Bombercommand

    Good reply. Then we probably both share an appreciation for Tom Thompson’s art. Thanks for setting me straight.

    • Thanks: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  117. @the cleaner

    We really are lucky that none of that is happening. I would try to explain the real science to you but it would take too long to dumb it down sufficiently for you.

  118. Skeptikal says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    “You are certainly correct that the military waste a huge amount of resources, and create huge pollution, AND kill and destroy a good deal. And, of course, the USA is responsible for 50% of that waste. And CO2 and methane and nitrous oxide and other greenhouse gases ARE a massive threat to human survival. Why do denialist not accept long proven science? A death wish?”

    This is not a usable response to my point.

    I have been green all my life, raised green before the term was invented—IOW, rough—so I don’t need someone with a ridiculous handle like mulga mumblebrain lecturing me about “denialism.” How many miles have you put on your bike lately?

    It is up to you and your ilk to acknowledge the denialism in the green camp, not spew venom at those who examine the reality, such as Jeff Gibbs. In order for humans to actually solve any problems on planet Earth (instead of pretending to do so via ideological diktats), we must do genuine accounting of energy required to install the “solutions.” The biggest problem with the current “green” solutions is habitat destruction. The right whale will probably be collateral damage of the mania for offshore wind farms. Now greedy green eyes are moving to the deep seabed to mine rare-mineral nodules; billions of marine organisms adapted to that strange environment can take hike to the next planet. Quite apart from the exploitative labor “policies” used by Vesta et al. in the manufacture of blades etc. in third world countries for deployment in the oh-so-green first world so they can virtue-signal via e-SUVs. It is laughable.

    As for renewable energy, why have only solar and wind been developed and presented to the public? Why not ocean energy?
    There has to be a reason for this. You, mumble, tell me what it is.

    • Thanks: RobinG
  119. @Anon

    “China has no domestic high quality coal and neither does Mongolia. They either have to import it from Kazakhstan (at insane costs due to shipping across the Indian ocean) or Australia.”

    You don’t need high quality coal to produce heat and electricity, you only need that for coking coal (for steel). China produces and burns nearly 4bn tonnes of coal a year. More than half world consumption. It only (!) imports half a billion tonnes.

    And what’s this?

    China plans to build more coal-fired power plants and has hinted that it will rethink its timetable to slash emissions, in a significant blow to the UK’s ambitions for securing a global agreement on phasing out coal at the Cop26 climate summit in Glasgow.

    “Energy security should be the premise on which a modern energy system is built and and the capacity for energy self-supply should be enhanced,” the statement said.

    “Given the predominant place of coal in the country’s energy and resource endowment, it is important to optimise the layout for the coal production capacity, build advanced coal-fired power plants as appropriate in line with development needs, and continue to phase out outdated coal plants in an orderly fashion. Domestic oil and gas exploration will be intensified.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  120. Sparkon says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Many greenhouse operators increase the level of CO₂ in their enclosures by a factor of 3, up to 1200 ppm, and plants thrive in that environment. I wonder why if it’s not what plants prefer, i.e. the natural thing. Simply put, plants inhale CO₂, and exhale O₂, so it’s a very good exchange, and a good deal for both plants, agricultural output, and humans when CO₂ levels are high.

    In any event, 97% of atmospheric CO₂ is produced by nature. All of man’s activities add just 3% to the already miniscule 0.04% CO₂ component of Earth’s atmosphere. Swamps, volcanoes, and decaying vegetation all produce CO₂ far in excess of man’s activities. Termites alone emit far more CO₂ than all of man’s automobiles, power plants, cement plants and factories combined.

    CO₂ is plant food and has nothing to do with either global warming or climate change. Both are natural events that have happened many times in the past.

    Earth has definitely warmed since the Little Ice Age, and also since mile-thick ice sheets covered large parts of N. America up to about 12,000 years ago. Natural climate change has caused the ice sheets and glaciers to recede, melt and sublimate long before any of man’s activities could have played any role at all.

    You seem to think that the best solution is driving many of those 8 billion souls out of their homes and onto the streets by forcing them to pay exorbitant energy costs, which many cannot afford. Obviously, you don’t live in California, where rents and energy costs are very high, fulfilling Obama’s promise of “skyrocketing” energy costs, which is all the renewables give us, while making everything more expensive for everyone.

    Renewables certainly don’t and can’t provide base load power needed to run a modern civilization, but they do complicate and weaken the energy grid with a myriad of intermittent and varying inputs.

    Would you go in for surgery or have your wife deliver a baby in a hospital powered solely by wind and solar?

    In the United States, it is illegal to possess even a single feather from any bird protected by the migratory bird act, which applies to virtually all birds, yet wind turbine and solar array operators are granted a federal exemption, and the slaughter of raptors and other birds goes on.

    Eagles and hawks do not usually fly into windows or get killed by cats, but I’m not in favor of pet cats or dogs either, because they do take a heavy toll on birds and other wildlife. In addition, dog poop produces methane, a greenhouse gas 30x more potent than carbon dioxide. According to one source, the dogs in just Chicago produce about 68 million pounds of dog poop every year.

    You wrote:

    deeper and longer droughts and heavier and more frequent hydrological events, rain, hail, tempest, snow etc, all exacerbated by the greenhouse effect, rather ruin your simplistically moronic ‘argument’.

    All of this hysterical alarmism has been debunked many times over. I suggest you spend some time reading at Watts Up With That?, although I hasten to add, I certainly do not agree 100% with Anthony Watts.

    You can’t fight climate change by shutting down reliable energy sources, which give us heat in the winter when we need it, and air conditioning in the summer when we need it.

    You sound like an angry person, but your anger is misplaced. Inexpensive and reliable energy is the best energy, period. We now know how to burn coal cleanly, so there is absolutely no reason to continue using intermittent, unreliable, and expensive energy sources like wind and solar.

    • Thanks: Skeptikal, Graham Seibert
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @peterrabbit
  121. @Zachary Smith

    ” A long-predicted consequence of Global Warming is that the Atlantic Heat Conveyer will falter as gigatons of cold melt water from the North Pole and Greenland pour into the North Atlantic. “

    Related, this summer has seen a marked lack of wind to turn all those nice windmills. The ultimate driver of winds is AFAIK the temperature differential twixt tropics and poles.

    Ocean currents,” said Alexandrov. “I don’t understand,” said the Prime Minister.

    What I imagine Alexis means,” Kingsley remarked, “is that there is no certainty that the present pattern of ocean currents will be maintained. If it isn’t, the effects might be completely disastrous. And this might happen quite quickly, quicker than an Ice Age.

    You said it,” nodded Alexandrov. “Gulf Stream go, gets bloody cold.

    The Prime Minister felt he had heard enough.

    From The Black Cloud (1957) by Sir Fred Hoyle (who first described the stellar nucleosynthesis process)

    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
  122. Skeptikal says:
    @Graham Seibert

    Hi, Graham,

    Planet of the Humans is not Michael Moore’s film.
    He was the executive producer.
    Executive Producer, def.:
    “The executive producer is the person who sources and secures the financing for a film production, either through an independent financing company, through a studio, or by financing it themselves. The executive producer’s biggest priority is making sure there is enough money to complete the project.”

    Moore put up the cash so that Jeff Gibbs could make his, Gibbs’s, film.

    from Wiki:

    “Planet of the Humans was written, directed, and narrated by Jeff Gibbs. Michael Moore served as executive producer. The producers of Planet of the Humans are Gibbs and Ozzie Zehner; co-producers are Valorie Gibbs, Christopher Henze and David Paxson; cinematography by Gibbs, Zehner, and Christopher Henze; editing by Gibbs and Angela Vargos; sound mixing by Christopher Henze. Gibbs also composed some of the film’s score. ‘

    The reception and discussion of the film is constantly subverted and murkified by people who label it as Moore’s film, then proceed to talk about Moore, make assumptions about Moore, bring in Moore’s supposed politics, compare Moore’s supposed politics as expressed in this film politics to those inferred from Moore’s earlier films, etc.—ad nauseam.

    Gibbs’s film does not deserve that. It should be discussed purely on its own terms, and leave Moore out of it.

    • Thanks: Graham Seibert
    • Replies: @RobinG
  123. @Badger Down

    It sure does. So glad another fool for the climate hoax has woken up to the science!

  124. @obwandiyag

    I do wish Shamir would stop writing about climate change and environmental issues in general. He’s clearly very ignorant about them and just tends to regurgitate resource industry PR clichés.

    A few months ago in Unz dot com, I queried one of Shamir’s improbable assertions – in his article he claimed volcanoes emitted much more CO2 than humans each year. I adduced a few references disproving the claim and invited him to counter. He refused or was unable to supply alternative references, but he also never retracted. To me, that’s intellectual dishonesty. It means, effectively, he simply makes stuff up (or borrows disinfo).

    It’s disappointing, because Shamir can be quite brilliant on topics he knows well – and his iconoclastic spirit is often a breath of fresh air.

    I just have to groan when he writes about environmental issues..

  125. emmm let me try, to explain a bit with broken EN.

    1. the power off chaos is some side effect due to your daily central gov vs provincial gov game.
    Beijing said ok now you guys limit your coal production and here is your quote this year while provinces or cities or counties had their own agend. they produced a bit(?) more secretly and sold to power plants around the country. but you know China is tightening anti corruption harder and harder every year so the not so innocent business finally came to an end.
    as a result, coal is insufficient now. then local gov/electricity seller chose to hurt local ppls’ interests to blackmail central gov: give me coal/carbon quote or tricks. we call it 摆烂/bailan.

    2.coal burning produces not only co2 but also so2, which is vital to air quality control.

    3.when China gov takes serious actions, there must lie some necessities. such as to reduce pollution, to eliminate poverty, to protect environment, …

  126. Skeptikal says:

    Thanks for this perspective.

    Too many green justice warriors do not understand the concept of base load and the cost of fuel required to keep intermittent green energy from bringing down the whole grid.

    They have stars in their eyes about green energy produced at scale and blinders regarding the environmental and economic realities. Economies will be brought to their knees in service to an ill-thought-out or possible intentionally misrepresented “green” reality.

    They seem never to have heard of the idea that the farther energy is generated from the point of use, the more of it is lost in transit.

    That is the point of distributed generation. Renewables are low-density and generally intermittent, but they are everywhere. Distributed generation is one of the fundamental notions supporting the availability and use of renewable energy on a smaller local scale. I am all for renewable energy, but only when the true advantages and minuses of various types of renewables is thoroughly understood and factored in.

    Furthermore, speaking of Watts, whatever ever happened to the Amory Lovins’s idea of negawatts. The cheapest source of electricity is conservation.

    As long as people want to roar around in ridiculous vehicles such as Land Rover vans, enormous SUVs, and “loaded” speed wagons, we are not going to get anywhere and might as well stop hectoring and being hectored.

    The guys and gals driving these ludicrous monster wheels should be obliged to learn to ride and control a horse. One horse—real power!

  127. @Obstinate Cymric

    The ultimate driver of winds is AFAIK the temperature differential twixt tropics and poles.

    Thanks for that reminder. As a genuine tyro on the subject of weather/climate, I ‘knew’ that, but not enough to tie theory to reality.

    Fred Hoyle was a genius. He was also incredibly stubborn, and perhaps to the point of inflexibility. He died as a Global Warming Denier – maybe on account of having dug his heels in after writing Ice: How the Next Ice Age Will Come — and How We Can Prevent It in 1982. Yet back in 1957 at age 42 he understood the mechanics of the Gulf Stream and the consequences of it failing while writing The Black Cloud.

    I have a copy of his 1977 Ten Faces of the Universe, and it’s a gem. Especially the final section.

  128. Johan says:

    Awesome! which venerable scoundrels are responsible for shutting down the mob system..

    Was it a blackmailer’s threat to global finance?

    Whatever, aside of possibly targetting the oligarchy, it is also works out to be an anti-democratic act to shut down thé system which represents the voice of the mobs.

    But unfortunately, plutocracy is taking over, and democratic scoundrels are giving them some help perhaps, as the former often intelligently know how to use such a crisis to their advantage, and the latter can only attempt to disrupt or destroy.

  129. Johan says:

    Intelligent creatures tend to overestimate their thinking abilities; instead of sticking to known technologies and implementing small improvements, they want to make a giant leap forward.

    I’d say it is rather greed and an obsession with progress and a hijacking of what progress constitutes of, which is the work of certain forces. “Giant leap forward” is a certain jargon which is created by certain propagandic forces, the whole progress jargon and vision is taken over, reshaped and owned by them since decades. This particular late modern type of overblown hyped progress thinking is thus in no way inherent to intelligence.
    And for the most intelligent among a certain intelligence.., the main drive is the lust for power.

  130. @mulga mumblebrain

    As you know, I agree, Mulga.

    It’s not easy standing up for basic ecological understanding in Unz dot com. Many quite intelligent folk here have been bamboozled by sophisticated Big Coal/Nuclear PR, and regurgitate the propaganda themselves, with such stridency that rational discussion is hard if not impossible.

    In 2021, anyone who seriously believes that rapid anthropogenic climate change is a mythical falsehood is dangerously misinformed and/or delusional. There are multiple lines of evidence and they all point the same way. I wish that was not the case, but it clearly is. Rapidly rising CO2 levels, shrinking glaciers, retraction of ice especially at the North Polar region, unprecedented forest fires on several continents, massive coral loss in numerous locations around the world, rising temperatures worldwide, acidification of oceans.. These problems are superimposed on a world already replete with environmental problems, many of which overlap with climate change. Biodiversity loss on a huge scale, habitat fragmentation, shrinking wilderness, widespread poisoning of the landscape, destructive agricultural practices, disastrous ocean pollution.. the list goes on and on.

    Yet there’s still a large number of people – and this tendency is clearly most prevalent among people who self-identify as “right-wing” – who can put all of this out of their mind and get really cross with environmentalists who, they claim, threaten their lifestyle.

    It would be amusing if it wasn’t so dangerous and sad.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  131. Anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Obstinate Cymric

    You are wrong and have no idea what you’re talking about. Too old to summon the energy to explain why but you’ll find yourself understanding it as the news cycle tredges along and the disappointment fills your heart.

    • Replies: @Obstinate Cymric
  132. Johan says:

    Look, I’m all against pollution and for the preservation of the environment, animals and plants — but climate change is a hoax. A costly hoax.

    The climate change hoax is a grand umbrella scheme. Normally the issue of pollution falls apart into may issues, some bigger global, national, some even more local. This (alleged) human caused climate change umbrella scheme which they created allowed them to hijack the whole environment awareness concern and idealism. The word ‘pollution’ instead of pointing to many things and scales started to mean just one thing on one scale. So, all other (real) concerns, minor and major are pushed away, and eventually out of sight. Thus real and varying concerns are no longer on the agenda, they are mentioned at times, but often if possible only to support the major money and power making scheme.

    So your minor, specific and or targeted concerns, and those of many others are flushed away by the concerns of the major control scheme.

  133. bjondo says:

    Greenpeace’s Ex-President, Dr Patrick Moore – Is Climate Change Fake?, 1:36:16

    Clip from interview, 10:25

    Greenpeace’s Co-Founder & Ex-President Patrick Moore gives his thoughts on Extinction Rebellion & Greta Thunberg.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  134. RobinG says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    You seem unduly focused on capitalism. Civilization itself is a ponzi scheme.

    The Sci-Tech types, from CERN to Akademgorodok, have their hopes pinned on fusion, which is still unworkable. Meanwhile China forges ahead with LFTR (thorium based nuclear).

  135. RobinG says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Not only “enigmatic/subtle is wasted” on ideological deniers, so is complexity.

  136. Dario says:
    @israel shamir

    Poland fought against USSR? Yes, in the war of 1920! The rest is a joke.
    1943 Teheran and 1945 Yalta – future Poland “gets” Stalin.
    From that moment Poland had no chance to fight with anyone and for anything. From now on Soviet communists ruled here. Until, “(…) on September 25, 1985, at about 11:30 a.m., New York City police blocked the passage of private cars on 52nd Street in Manhattan. A few minutes later, a column of cars carrying a Polish government delegation passed along the narrow one-way road. The most important passenger was the man whom the Ronald Reagan administration described as one of the greatest enemies of democracy in the world. General Wojciech Jaruzelski, the communist prime minister of Poland and the first secretary of the all-powerful Polish United Workers’ Party, had formally arrived in New York only to deliver a speech at the XL session of the UN General Assembly.(…)” However, on that day, the cars of the Polish delegation were not heading to the United Nations headquarters located on the East River. Just before noon, the column stopped in front of an equally important building, whose owners have often influenced the fate of the world. On the sidewalk in front of Rockefeller Center, 70-year-old David Rockefeller was waiting for the Polish general (…) We do not know whether, by coming to David Rockefeller in 1985, General Jaruzelski wanted to open Poland to forces it could never control. Although we do not know the content of the private conversation between the Prime Minister of the People’s Republic of Poland and the powerful director of the Council on Foreign Relations, certain later facts allow us to guess that the systematic annexation of the Polish economy by capital linked to the assets of the Rockefeller family was to begin on September 25, 1985.(…) in this way the architect of martial law [ Jaruzelski] supposedly secured for himself immunity after the fall of the Iron Curtain. ”

    Shall we go on? 🙂

    In 1989, G. Soros and JeffreyD Sasch arrived in Poland and introduced their plan with the hands of L. Balcerowicz. The results?

    “Witold Kieżun: I’m talking about Geoffrey Sachs’ plan. Leszek Balcerowicz
    was just an executor of the plan.

    Sachs described it in detail in his latest, very interesting
    very interesting book “The End of Poverty”.

    To understand what happened then in Poland, I will tell you about two
    I had in the early 1990s, one in Africa,
    and the second in Canada. In Africa, in Burundi, I worked for the United Nations.

    There I met a Belgian entrepreneur who was traveling around the world,
    looking for the fastest places to make big money.

    According to him, apart from African countries, the easiest way to make money in Poland. He used to say to me: “What are you still doing here?
    come back to the Poland, I will lend you some money, buy some factory while you can still buy almost for free, I will introduce your products to the Belgian
    market, and you will only pay me a twenty percent commission on sales.
    on sales.”

    Poland as a country lost a huge amount of wealth. How then could Poland fight against anyone?
    And high gas prices? They do not depend entirely on Poland! He would rather point out the link between real gas and derivatives. The commodity market is now a highly speculative market. Saying that Poland and Lithuania are fighting with EU and Russia is …fake news? 🙂

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse, utu
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  137. @Anon

    In 2019, China produced 3,850 million tonnes and consumed 3,956 million tons.

    Coal power has been the dominant source of energy used to fuel the rapid economic development of China in the past two decades, with significant impact on its physical environment and human population. China relies on coal power for approximately 70-80% of its energy, with 45% used for the industrial sector and the remainder used to generate electricity.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  138. TheJester says:
    @Zachary Smith

    German houses built since the 1970s are already “thermos” bottles: cinder blocks faced with foam insulation, faced with stucco. I have watched a German friend heat a very large room with two small pieces of wood in a fireplace where the flue laced back and forth across an entire wall now hot to the touch. From experience, it usually takes two or three days to heat a German house due to the cinderblock/foam construction, but then thereafter it remains relatively thermally constant with a small energy input.

    Please understand that the Germans and especially the French have been forced to deal with outrageous fuel prices since the end of WWII. We lived in Germany for four years. They pay more for fuel oil to heat their homes than we pay for premium gas in the United States. In France, I have roamed four-lane highways with virtually no cars on them. The price of gas was evidently so high that casually touring the countryside on a weekend is out of the question.

    Germans also heat rooms rather than houses like we do in the United States with our open architecture. The man of the house’s job is to follow the family from room to room in the evening opening and closing doors and radiators. Then, at the end of the day, the family drops the Rolladens (rolling shutters that tightly seal the house) and huddle and sleep under down quilts … surely one of the most unique experiences an American can have whether staying in a Gasthaus or living a German-style life.

    Compared to Americans, asking Western Europeans to reduce their energy consumption is similar to believing that one can suck blood out of a turnip. I know Greta would try … but there reaches a point of diminishing returns.

    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
  139. RobinG says:

    True, but sort of a distinction w/o a difference. Gibbs has worked for/with Moore for many years.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  140. Skeptikal says:

    “I ask Greenies to give me some numbers to justify their position, they have none. Greenies and Hoaxers, two sides of the same coin, issued by The Propertied Class. The Greenie position ensures a world where the common people will suffer, will pay for everything they didn’t cause.

    This (in bf) is the true outrage, and lie.

    The common people are not responsible for the mess we are in, but they are expected to come up with solutions via personal sacrifice. Which is not fair, and will not work.
    So, on to forced deprivation and, most likely, culling.

    Forced deprivation and culling will only work by tanking the world economy.

    Meanwhile the elites continue to treat the Earth like their playground, or circus, flying around in private jets, maintaining McMansions with huge nitrogen-fed lawns and golf courses, managing wasteful economies to make obscene profits and hide them offshore, thus further impoverishing the common people and their countries.

    I perceive a lot of good faith among regular people, and almost none among the elites.
    So eff them!!
    We’ll all burn up together.
    See ya in Purgatory.

  141. Skeptikal says:

    “sort of a distinction w/o a difference. Gibbs has worked for/with Moore for many years. ”

    Document? In what capacities?

    Dumb statement anyhow. Of course it is a very big difference, who is the director/writer/editor/narrator etc.

    So the films that Gibbs has worked on in some capacity, do we say that those are Gibbs’s films?

    No. But if you agreed with any of the ideas in earlier Moore-Gibbs films I suppose then you would be singing a different song.

    A perfect example of the intellectually dishonest, dumb-assed ad-homs I was talking about that people resort to to discredit on the cheap, so thanks for that.

    Jeff Gibbs is clearly his own man with his own ideas.

    Moore is only cited to provide a straw man for the intellectually lazy to trash the film and its implications to avoid engaging with the information and ideas and talk about Moore instead.



  142. @TheJester

    Thanks for the first-hand information. Details of everyday life in a foreign country aren’t easily found.

    Germans also heat rooms rather than houses like we do in the United States with our open architecture. The man of the house’s job is to follow the family from room to room in the evening opening and closing doors and radiators. Then, at the end of the day, the family drops the Rolladens (rolling shutters that tightly seal the house) and huddle and sleep under down quilts … surely one of the most unique experiences an American can have whether staying in a Gasthaus or living a German-style life.

    The closest I’ve yet to see to this in the US is the “zoning” of living spaces into two sections with separate heating and air conditioning.
    I slept in a true feather bed once in my life. It was late December in a rude rural house with zero insulation, and the room was quite distant from the single little coal heater. Heavenly was definitely an understatement. The more usual experience for the unheated bedroom was a bed heaped with heavy cotton quilts. I learned very early to prepare some sort of bedwarmer for pre-heating the mess. In one memorable case I sneaked to the kitchen and filled a half-gallon mason jar with hot water. (I was afraid the feelings of my grandparents would be hurt if they learned I had done this)

  143. @Sparkon

    bird poop good, dog poop bad

  144. @RoatanBill

    Also the whole Nikolai Tesla system of energy, drawing out static electricity from the earth itself.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  145. @Obstinate Cymric

    And China is also the world leader in solar, wind, hydro and other renewables. Moreover the coal burned in China to produce energy to produce goods is utilised to provide the West with goods, so is displaced fossil fuel burning from the West. Blaming China for the greenhouse gas catastrophe is simply yet more race and civilizational hatred in action.

    • Replies: @Obstinate Cymric
  146. @Dario

    Poland thanks to its history and the malign influence of priestly kiddy-fiddlers is a naturally fascistic society, as we can see today. I pity the remaining sane Poles.

    • Replies: @Dario
  147. @bjondo

    When the Nuremberg Trials for ecocide commence, if we survive, Moore MUST be an early defendant for his odious black propaganda work-if he’s still extant. A denialist Streicher.

  148. @jim bob beers

    Anyone can get free electricity from the air around you. The only problem is that it is so diffuse that it isn’t worth the effort.

    If two people twirl a length of wire like a jump rope and you attach a volt meter to each end, you will get a tiny voltage reading. If you stretch a wire high into the atmosphere, that’s a different thing entirely. You can generate some significant voltage the higher you go, but it’s still not of sufficient energy to be worth the effort.

  149. @DH13

    Oh, dear-a brainwashed moron, and PROUD OF IT! Why else the reference to Watts, the lowest denialist propagandist of them all. Whence springs your hatred of Life on Earth Dead Head 13? Attachment failure? Poor potty training? Inherent malevolence?

  150. @Poco

    How much poco? How quickly? I note that ‘poco’ in musical terms means ‘to slight degree’-it could easily describe your intelligence. Slight.

  151. @Ace

    Ace, morons usually pretend otherwise. I admire your audacity in boasting of it. How hard is it to look up ‘forcing’ in climate science terms? Oh-it might make you have to use BOTH your neurons at once, and one is in hibernation.

  152. Mevashir says:
    This is a perfect example of Israeli Antichrist behavior. Doing everything they can to ruin Christmas for foreign tourists and for the Palestinian hosts. I pray that your infatuation with Israel will be informed by truth and reality and you will not idolize these evil people.

    If American Christian tourists had any self-respect, they would respond to this outrageous policy by announcing a complete and total boycott of all tourism to Israel until these policies are reversed. The Christian tourist Market holds enormous economic power over the Israelis if only their pastors could get their act together and organize an effective boycott. But don’t hold your breath. It’s more likely that Herod and Pontius Pilate would worship Jesus than that the American Christian zionists would stop worshiping Israeli antichrists!

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @xcd
  153. Athena says:

    “Where should the electricity come from? Of course, further from the socket and of course further from the factories, through the power lines that we have. But this electricity must be climate-neutral in the future.” She doesn’t seem to understand that it takes energy to create electricity.

    I’ve noticed the same thing about people promoting this idea ”the planet will be entirely electrified soon”, ”the conventional (internal-combustion) engine will be eliminated by 2030”, everybody will have an electric car, and so on. This will allow the elites to re-engineer the dollar and produce one-world currency.

    Or, ”all will be ”digitalized”, t.. That’s total delirium. This idea coming from the friends at Davos is very STRANGE. If you’d asked the elites meeting at Davos what’s the difference between apparent, reactive, and real electrical power, or what complex and imaginary or polar numbers are, i’m unsure they would be able to answer.

    Besides, electricity, its production, transmission, high-tech switching protection, and distribution to the customer, requires much more maths than those required to install an hydraulic pump system for a rich Sultan who then just have to open a valve to make oil flow and watch the \$billlions piling up in his back account.

    In the United States, the intrastructure interconnecting the electrical generation stations is obsolete. The dams are old. The education system is now so poor that most workers are unable to read simple electronic plans to assemble an electronic PCBoard.

    In Europe, France now has aging nuclear power plants that leak toxic substances in the environment. Europe doesn’t have sufficient knowledge to build infrastrutures large enough to power millions of electric car.

    The Germans surely have good knowledge in electricity, but i’m not sure Siemens (or ABB) would be able to implement a power grid interconnecting all European countries able to reliably and efficiently power millions of houses and electric cars, while keeping all plants running.

    Maybe they could interconnect many small *(local) electrical generators via a smart grid, to a central system, as prescribed by the US Department of Energy. This requires experimented engineers and years of work.

    The problem is: how long will it takes to implement the smart grids? They can’t be implemented in 3 or 6 months. So i think this idea (all the planet will be dequately electrified to suit the needs of milllions of electric car owners within a couple of years) is TOTALLY IRREALIST.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @xcd
  154. RobinG says:

    M. – Maybe you even know Evan Fallenberg, considering your background. How do you assess his criticism of Sally Rooney’s ‘boycott’ of an Israeli publishing house? (It’s a bit pie-in-the-sky for me. He may be genuine, but strains credulity when he argues that non-violence isn’t good enough.)

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  155. xcd says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    If carbonate rocks close to Arctic Circle are emitting CO2, it must be far worse elsewhere, on land and including tropical seas.

  156. @Athena

    The Chinese have managed, somehow. Best nuke it all, says I. EMP should do it, then it’s back to the Olduvai Gorge as the optimists have it. The Sun will do it itself, some day.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  157. @Old and Grumpy

    I love the poisonous dullards who repeat a litany of imbecile lies, like a mantra, then pose as really smart. Climate is controlled mostly by the Sun, but NOT solely. The gaseous composition of the atmosphere is crucial, and without greenhouse gases trapping heat in the troposphere, the planet would be uninhabitably cold.
    Plants use CO2 in their metabolism, but it is NOT the only factor. Nutrition ie the quality of the soil, water availability, temperatures, hydrological events etc are also crucial and all will be deranged by climate destabilisation, leading to great bio-diversity loss, extinctions of species and agricultural failure. Cold related deaths will be exceeded by heat related in a few years, particularly as the wet-bulb temperature reaches 35 degrees Celsius, the limit of human endurance before death by hyperthermia eventuates. And the current energy shortages have little to do with Green policies. You are seeing the result of Peak Cheap Hydrocarbons, the collapse of the fracking boondoggle and fossil fuel industry chicanery before COP 26, in an effort to derail yet another Conference of the Parties.

  158. @Matt Lazarus

    Funniest comment yet. No Jews or Chinese, or others in sight on the Internet, eh? The caste system is not the only thing holding India back. Fascist Hindutva ideology, groveling obeisance to the West, hateful Islamophobia against 200 million plus citizens and the utter idiocy of divisive ‘democrazy’ in a country of several major languages mean that India will never catch China, which is getting further and further ahead, to the vicious, but impotent, chagrin of India’s fifth-rate elites.

  159. xcd says:

    Russia uses SMRs at its remote towns. It also has a ship-board plant to send to larger riverine or mining towns – in case of a breakdown or to speed up mining. It will sell SMRs and fuel abroad, provided the buyer undertakes a long-term contract to return all spent fuel. It processes the spent fuel for reuse.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  160. xcd says:

    To reduce smog, China built expensive plants that convert lignite coal into methane, but this generates 82% more greenhouse gas than using the coal directly.

  161. @xcd

    Small reactors have been around since Admiral Rickover decided he wanted them for his vessels. They’ve been on submarines and ships for decades. They are still pressurized reactors using the strength of materials advantage of a small unit to overcome the inherent design problems with pressurized reactors. It’s when those designs are scaled up that the strength of materials becomes an issue. See Fukushima and Chernobyl as examples.

    Those reactors still produce lots of nuclear waste and have proliferation issues. Thorium reactors are the solution to many of the issues with Uranium reactors, the primary positive is that they can run at near atmospheric pressure. Admittedly, Uranium could also be used in a molten salt design, but the waste products would still be a major problem. From every angle, Thorium is the better choice.

    • Agree: InnerCynic
  162. xcd says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    At ~500 ppm of CO2, all land vegetation including crops may collapse [article 2008]. Even if plants take up the excess CO2, symbiotic fungi and other soil microbes – which have not been studied – may undo this action [research 2012].

    At ~1,200 ppm of CO2, strato-cumulus clouds (that now cover ~2/3 of the planet) may break up, raising mean global temp. by 8-10°C [research 2019]

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  163. @ccr

    Regardless of the form, coal means burning carbon at some point. One can remove the sulfur or other contaminants, but the end product is still burning carbon for its BTU content.

    The entire world unfortunately sees CO2 as a major issue.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  164. @mulga mumblebrain

    The Chinese “manage” by burning more coal, and lying about it, if you trust those clowns you’re insane.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  165. @xcd

    We could see 450ppmCO2 as early as 2030. At currant rates of change we will see 1.5C Average Worldwide Temperature above the 1880-1910 Thirty Year Average by 2035(optimistic), but the rate has been accelerating dramatically the last decade, so 1.5C by 2030 is realistic. That produces temperatures anomalies of over 50C Summers in the Northern Hemisphere. This process is unstoppable. Regarding clouds, I have seen no natural clouds since 2012. Can’t remember when I last saw cirrus clouds. Very rare to see natural cumulus, and nothing like the beauty of cumulus clouds from the 1960’s, like castles in the sky, in 1965 I saw a “dragon” made of cumulus, gone forever. All “clouds” today are produced by Weather Modification. Weather today is either “LowClouds” or “NoClouds”. A thin blanket at 2000ft that serves as a “sunshade”. They are OK at rainmaking, but not enough, please let it keep working.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  166. xcd says:

    Few of the foreigners ever talk to the local Christians or Muslims, to get any feedback. They are there for the bragging rights.

  167. xcd says:

    The capitalist tendency to gigantism (giant plants) is the source of the complexity and waste. Most of the consumer efforts at conserving electricity have little effect as the increases and decreases in supply only occur in giant steps.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  168. @xcd

    Snake oil.

    Look up the Safire Project. Those people understand plasma and have something that could revolutionize the energy sector. There are YouTube videos. Long story short, they have documented evidence of transmutation at room temperature. That’s a nuclear reaction and they’re working on delivering electrical and thermal power via their discoveries.

    • Replies: @xcd
  169. @RoatanBill

    Tesla would disagree, and he proved it over and over again with radio tuned energy. Remember the mushroom shaped tower in New York State?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  170. @jim bob beers

    I’m aware of Tesla’s gadget, but never got real technical information on what it was intended to do and what it actually did. It’s a bit mysterious.

    All I know is that no one has produced free energy from magnet motors or other perpetual motion machines. I believe cold fusion (LENR) is real. The Safire Project has documented evidence where transmutation occurred inside their plasma chamber at room temperature.

  171. Mevashir says:
    I don’t know much about him except for this article I read a few months ago:
    [email protected]

    I’m flattered you would ask my opinion, but I don’t live there anymore and it would be far more valuable to know what Israel Shamir thinks. He lives there and he’s also extremely supportive of the Palestinians. I suspect he supports a one state solution as do i.

    Theoretically I understand where Fallenberg is coming from. My own attitude to the Palestinians changed after I was forced to spend some time with them. In the mid-1990s I was hospitalized in Jerusalem for about a month. Most of the nursing staff were male Palestinians and I spent a lot of time talking with them. I was still ultra-Orthodox and was amazed to learn that their religion and culture were so similar to Judaism. The biggest difference was our dress and our appearance because Palestinians rarely have beards for example. But many of their practices seem very similar to Judaism, especially their dietary laws, the regularity of their prayers, their lunar calendar, marriage and divorce regulations, their hygienic practices, and so our conversations started a long process of soul searching.

    After I was baptized in the year 2000 I stopped going to the Western Wall and other parts of Jewish Old Jerusalem and instead on the weekly Sabbath day of rest when Jewish businesses were closed I would go to the Christian and Muslim quarters of the Old City where I would go to an internet cafe. I found I couldn’t stand being anywhere around the Jews who congregated at the Western Wall so full of their arrogant militant nationalism. After a few months of doing this, I began to feel really at home in the Arab community both Christian and Muslim. I didn’t have many direct interactions with them but just sitting in their shops and walking in their neighborhoods affected my thinking.

    But I learned the most about the Palestinian situation after I return to the US and had access to an uncensored internet and to public libraries. I was able to read books written by Palestinians describing the Naqba. I had never even heard that word let alone understood what it entailed when I lived in Israel. I found writers like Ali Abunimah at the electronic intafada, Mondoweis etc. I was utterly oblivious to these ideas when I lived in Israel. Abunimah’s book ONE COUNTRY is very well written and permanently changed my perspective on the situation over there:

    In the following quote Fallenberg conveniently positions his hotel business as a vital way to improve Arab-Israeli understanding. However I don’t accept his argument for many different reasons:

    The Jewish Israeli guests who step through the door of the hotel and artists’ residency my son and I own in the Old City of Acre, whose population of nearly 5,000 is 95 percent Muslim, often arrive skeptical and full of questions about relations with our Arab neighbors. They listen to our stories. They meet our neighbors, our staff, our friends. They note the ease and pleasure in our interactions. They eat the excellent local cuisine, wander the alleys and, more often than not, leave after a day or two with a slightly altered perception of what life could be like if the entire country’s population got along with each other as we do.

    1. Acco is a backwater and not a primary destination for most tourists to Israel. Very few people will attain the perspective Fallenberg desires by visiting his hotel.

    2. Acco prison was the site of a number of British hangings of Jewish terrorists prior to 1948. Fallenberg may not want to admit it, but Zionist terrorism was vital to demoralizing the British presence in Palestine and forcing them to withdraw leading up to the UN partition vote.

    3. The link above shows that Fallenberg teaches at Bar Ilan university, which is a religious Zionist campus full of people (both students and professors) who agitate for the worst violations of Palestinian human rights. So it would seem that he is a bit schizoid operating in that environment and then in his tolerant kumbaya Acco hotel environment.

    4. Fallenberg seems like a fatuous fool thinking that his tiny island of tranquility represents the reality in the rest of his country or has the power to change the Israeli course of direction. Surely he recognizes the ongoing daily expropriation of Palestinian territory, the complete degradation of Palestinian human rights, the destruction of the Palestinian economy, and the radicalization and demoralization of its people. I honestly am astounded that he imagines a few tourists filtering through his hotel will make any difference to the overall narrative. He must have an enormous ego.

    5. I think it’s clear that BDS would be extremely effective and that’s the only reason why the Israelis are so terrified of it. The Jews imposed a Global boycott on Nazi Germany in the 1930s knowing how powerful a tool that is. So it seems to me Fallenberg is basically arguing that foreigners should not do anything that could injure the Jewish presence in the Holy Land. If at the end of the day the Palestinians are completely disenfranchised and destroyed by militant Zionism, Fallenberg and his friends will shrug their shoulders pat themselves on the back say that they tried and then move on with their lives. They will not suffer the pain or pay the price. Fallenberg’s hotel business will prosper whether Palestinians live in Acco or not. So I think ultimately he is insincere.

    From my perspective in the US, having associated over the past 15 years with Evangelical and Christian Zionist groups, I am certain they have enormous influence over both Israeli behavior and US government policy. A comprehensive boycott of tourism to Israel by Christian organizations would have a devastating effect on the Israeli economy. These people single-handedly could transform the entire situation over there. From what I have read, tourism is the second most important part of the Israeli economy, with International arms sales number one.

    The problem is that American Christian Zionists have zero sympathy for the Palestinians for two reasons. One is their innate favoritism of Zionism and their denigration of Islam. Two is because they are Protestants they don’t even have sympathy for Palestinian Christians who are largely Greek Orthodox or Maronite Catholic. Many of these groups don’t even go to Nazareth or Bethlehem anymore, instead going to sites that emphasize the Jewish historical roots of Jesus and his followers. And their Israeli tour guides are more than happy to comply with the altered itineraries.

    I used to attend a liberal Lutheran Church in my city in Colorado. The pastors were a married couple. The woman was a white American of Scandinavian heritage raised Lutheran. Her husband was a Palestinian Christian convert. They were a very interesting team. He would lead a tour to Israel every year for church members. Because he was Palestinian, he was subject to the most degrading and embarrassing treatment by the Israeli authorities in their airport. He would describe it and kind of laugh it off. But I was horrified and could not imagine why he would endure that kind of treatment. I certainly would not accept that after the first incident. But even he was so indoctrinated by Christian Zionism that he allowed the Israeli authorities to humiliate him in front of his own congregation on an annual basis. This is the extent of the brainwashing we are dealing with.

    I’m flattered you’ve asked my opinion but really I think Israel Shamir should be consulted. But to make my position clear, I advocate for the following:

    1. A single binational state. The two State solution is dead and a complete delusion.

    2. A comprehensive boycott of as many Israeli organizations and institutions as possible. Usually at Passover time I buy a box of matzo and for the last 5 years I have been careful never to buy an Israeli product in the American stores like Whole Foods. I know it’s a small gesture but it’s important for my own conscience to feel a sense of despising them.

    3. Encourage/force American Jewish Zionists to emigrate and move to Israel. The US government should offer to pay their plane fares to fly to Israel on condition they surrender their US passports and forfeit their citizenship. These people have been raised in a more liberal diverse society and could theoretically have a positive influence on Israel’s brutal social structure. But I predict that after six months many of them will be clamoring to return to the US. But under no circumstances should they be permitted back in.

    4. As a 9/11 Truther who believes that the Israelis were instrumental in the attacks and also most likely utilized nuclear devices to bring down the WTC towers, I think the US response should be draconian. We should withdraw our ambassador to Israel and shut down our embassy and consulate there. All Israeli consulates in the US should be closed and all of their officials should be expelled. I believe the US should wash its hands entirely of Israel and state publicly that we’re turning the whole situation over to our friend Mr Putin in Russia. Russia appears to be the only country that has credibility with both Israel and its enemies like Syria and Iran. You probably don’t realize this, but Russia and Israel do not have Visa requirements. That is how important business ties between the two countries are. Russai’s deeply entangled with Israel due to the 2 million Russians who live there. Russia is also much closer to Israel and the whole Middle East than the US is. So I believe we should walk away from the situation and let the Russians try to handle it. All our involvement has done is to corrupt American politics, brutalize our society, drain our money which the Israelis constantly clamor for more and more of. So I think we should completely abandon them. They will be forced to find new allies and to make good with their own Arab neighbors.

    I realize my ideas might be impractical or impossible, but it’s my Christmas wish list.

    Shalom waSalaam😇😎🤠🤞

  172. Skeptikal says:

    I thought cloud formation was largely a result of local evaporation/wind/temperature cycles.

    We still have plenty of clouds around here, on the coast.

    But I don’t recall seeing “mare’s tails” lately.

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  173. Skeptikal says:

    The great promise of renewables was distributed generation.

    The mega-power plant model for, say, wind is ridiculous.

    The “profits” come from the subsidies. I doubt that they of these wind power plants (“farms”) will ever make any profit or stand on their own two feet as businesses.

  174. Mevashir says:


    I would add to my above list the following measures that urgently need to be undertaken in response to the growing awareness that Israel was behind the 9/11 Terror attacks:


    1. Banning or restricting all Israeli tourism from the United states. This is necessary due to the Israeli art student espionage scandal. No Israeli can be trusted in our society.

    2. Israelis currently working in the US, many of them in sensitive security and technology industries, numbering close to 1 million persons, should be given 6 months to put their affairs in order and then expelled from our country.

    3. The right to dual Israeli-American citizenship should be revoked.

    4. Non-dual American Jewish Zionists should be prohibited from sensitive positions in the intelligence community, law enforcement and policy making. As I stated before they should be encouraged with every tool at our disposal to emigrate from our country.

    5. Israel should be regarded as our implacable enemy, as bad or worse than our worst Cold War adversaries. The only way we could reconsider our relationship with them would be following a complete and total admission of their role in the 9/11 attacks, profuse apologies, and massive compensation for both our losses and those of the many Arab countries we have invaded as a consequence of those attacks. The Israelis also have to name their American allies/agents in orchestrating this diabolical attack, for example the Neocons, people in government like Cheney and Rumsfeld etc.

    6. All financial aid, grants, and assistance from the American government to Israel should be terminated immediately. We will refuse to supply spare parts for the American military hardware they currently possess (effectively grounding their Air Force).

    7. All joint police exercises between American police departments, DHS, and the Israelis will be canceled immediately.

    8. The five star luxury tours for freshman Congressmen brought to Israel will be suspended immediately and indefinitely and branded as illegal interference by a foreign government in American politics.

    9. AIPAC will be branded as a lobbying firm for a foreign government and severely restricted if not banned outright as a collaborator with a foreign terrorist entity.

    10. The many generous tax concessions to Jewish donors to Israeli organizations will be repealed immediately. Donations to the IDF will no longer be masked as charitable donations worthy of IRS tax exemptions.

    In my experience, living both as an American Jew in America and living in Israel, the Zionists have no real power apart from Americans’ willingness to capitulate to their bribery blackmail and endless threats and guilt-mongering.

    As soon as Americans decide to grow up and assert their autonomy, the Israeli Zionist and Jewish stranglehold over our society will come to an end. It really is that simple. Sometimes it’s comforting to live in a perpetual delusion of victimhood because that becomes an excuse for failing to take action. But that is exactly what the Zionists depend upon: our own freely offered surrender to their unreasonable and outrageous demands and behavior.

    For once Obama was right: with regard to the Israelis we can be the change.

  175. @Mevashir

    Thank you for your valuable posts, Mevashir, here and elsewhere on UR, your life – changing experiences in the monstrous entity that is Israel can only be a positive inspiration to many.

    AFAIK Mr Shamir used to live in Israel but after accepting Christ he moved back to Russia where he still lives.

    I also am Christian but don’t have a church home due to the sad and indeed disgraceful conduct of people like you describe in western so-called churchianity. One of my friends is an Elder in a conservative church in rural Ireland and he agrees with my (friendly) critiques but nothing changes.

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  176. Skeptikal says:


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  177. Dario says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    @mulga mumblebrain said:
    “Poland thanks to its history and the malign influence of priestly kiddy-fiddlers is a naturally fascistic society, as we can see today.”

    Really? What do you recognize it by? Did you find out from CCN? 🙂

    History of Poland – an excerpt:
    September 1939 – National Socialists of Germany / NSDAP 🙂 / attack on Poland. In the middle of September 1939 communist Russia joins the attack on Poland. The Second World War lasts in Europe 5 years and 8 months. During this time about 6 million Polish citizens died: 3 million Poles and 3 million Jews.

    Yeah. This experience caused that Poles can be called fascists today?
    Seriously? :-))))))

  178. Mevashir says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    I’m sorry he moved back to Russia but I certainly cannot blame him. I too left Israel shortly after accepting Christ. My last words to the agent at the airport boarding gate to leave the country were:


  179. Mevashir says:

    It breaks my heart to have to write these kinds of things about Israel. I still have family and friends living there. It’s like amputating a gangrenous limb from my own body! But it breaks my heart even more to see how American society is being corrupted and destroyed by the perverse influence of Zionism. And thus I stand on these positions.

  180. Skeptikal says:
    @rufus clyde

    Wow. Thanks for that video link.

    Please, every body watch this. I confess I had not heard of Shellenberger.

    This was the basic message of The Planet of the Humans.

    And the ideological greens tried to “cancel” the film.

    I wish there were a transcription of this presentation.

  181. Skeptikal says:

    Earth to Dario:

    History of Poland didn’t start in 1939.

    • Replies: @Dario
  182. Mevashir says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    I was raised in Palo Alto California where my father was a Stanford professor. Pete McCloskey was our Congressional representative. He was a darling of the Jewish intellectuals at Stanford because he was a liberal Republican who opposed the Vietnam war and President Nixon. I didn’t know much about him but he was an excellent speaker extremely thoughtful and articulate. Later on I found out he was a decorated war hero from the Korean war and that experience hardened his heart against our futile involvement in Vietnam.

    The Jews loved him until he went to visit Yasser Arafat in Beirut following the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. He became an outspoken critic of Israel and a proponent of Palestinian human rights. At that point not only the local Jewish community but the entire California organized Jewish Community as well as National organizations turned against him and worked overtime to ensure that he lost the upcoming election. I remember wondering how this man who was such a hero to all of us suddenly was transformed in the wink of an eye into likeness of Adolf Eichmann.

    Excellent documentary about Congressman McCloskey’s amazing life:

    (I don’t understand why it is legal in America to accept campaign funds from outside one’s Congressional or senatorial district. Why should Jews in New York State be allowed to influence local elections in California? This seems to me a very easy way to remedy at least some of the corrupt Zionist influence over American politics.)

    On a different track, in some ways the Israeli role in the 9/11 Terror attacks is a gift to our society, because it allows us to disentangle from them without being implicated in anti-Semitism. Just as President Bush went to great lengths to explain that he was targeting radical Islam but that he believed the vast majority of the world’s Muslims were peaceful people, we could do exactly the same with Israel.

    We can explain that we are terminating our ties and relations with Israel because of its role as a terror entity that has nothing to do with the Jewish religion. In fact given that 80% of Israelis are secular, along with the vast majority of its political and military elites, it’s easy to castigate Israel as a terrorist society while insulating ourselves from accusations of anti-Semitism. In this sense, the Israelis greatly overplayed their hand on September 11th 2001 and handed us a golden opportunity to cut them loose once and for all.


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  183. Alfred says:
    @the cleaner

    “no decline of over 60% of the volume of arctic ice. ”

    Floating ice melts from below. Currents determine that. No one said that currents don’t change over time.

    The ice mass over Greenland (no currents underneath) has been growing for a long time. As for the North West Passage, it has been impassible for a long while.

    The biggest glacier in the world has been growing for some time.

    The Southern Hemisphere has had a cold winter. Do expect a cold winter in the Northern Hemisphere. Why do you think natural gas prices are exploding in Europe and China? The US has limited exporting facilities hence the price only doubled.

    They’re Measuring Snow In The FEET Across The Rocky Mountains, Coldest Early-October Day In [At Least] 125 Years Strikes Seattle, as Historic Cold Keeps China Coal Prices High

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  184. Dario says:

    Really? Thx
    But what do you get out of it? :))

  185. Mevashir says:

    If it were possible to persuade the American public of the Israeli role in the 9/11 attacks, then the American government lawfully could prohibit or severely restrict tourism to Israel, just as it does to Cuba and North Korea. This would allow it to completely circumvent the passivity and complicity of American churches that refuse to hold Israel accountable and to be honest brokers in the whole situation.

    We could go further and freeze Israeli assets in the American economy which are enormous given their prominence on Wall Street, just as we have done with Iran. But the effect on the Israeli economy would be devastating, far worse than its severe effect on Iran.

    We could ban Israeli websites from operating on American internet platforms. Just as we did with Iran.

    There are many effective tools we could utilize, but everything depends on successfully persuading the American public of Israel’s nefarious role in 9/11 and portraying it as a terrorist entity.

    The prominent role of Israelis and Zionist Jews in the covid vaccine industry also could provide a tipping point against that society as American outrage grows about the mismanagement of the whole covid crisis.

    I think it is essential for the health and viability of American society to completely extricate ourselves from our involvement with Israel. I think Israel’s best interests would be served by coming under a protective Russian Imperial umbrella or by building on the Abraham Accords and joining an Arabian coalition of Semitic States.

    Perhaps that could be called the COALITION OF ARABIAN SEMITIC STATES or something similar. I think Israel made a serious mistake not accepting the Saudi peace plan proposal offered shortly after 9/11. Listen to this interview with the former Saudi ambassador to the US. He’s extremely articulate and well spoken. And even though he echoes the official line about 9/11, he keeps emphasizing how important resolution of the Palestinian issue is to the Saudi government:

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  186. Mevashir says:

    Considering the severity of the drought across the American west, this precipitation is extremely welcome and we can only hope that it will continue throughout the coming winter months. Amen

  187. Mevashir says:


    To be very succinct, I think Fallenberg’s claims are very typically Israeli and amazingly condescending towards the Palestinians. Their attitude is they can be generous to the Palestinians if and only if it is convenient to the Israelis and will cost them nothing.

    This is not a relationship between equals but rather between masters and slaves or between prison guards and prisoners. This is precisely the arrogance of the Israelis that the Palestinians cannot tolerate. And therefore I don’t accept anything that Fallenberg claims. He’s operating within his own selfish narcissistic bubble and seems completely clueless about the enormous suffering of the Palestinians all around him.

    I think the European artists who are trying to boycott Israel are very brave because Jewish organizations wield tremendous power to destroy people’s lives and livelihoods. I pray for their courage and their success and that their efforts create a ripple effect across the Atlantic into the United States where the impact would be orders of magnitude greater.

    Thank you again for asking my opinion,
    And please join me in dreaming of a better world!

    Shalom waSalaam 🤞🤠😎😇

  188. @mulga mumblebrain

    All you ever do is make assertions. We all know you’re a true believer in the climate apocalypse nonsense. That’s because you’re an uneducated person easily swayed by some story told by people that live in lala land with their phony models.

    You have night-soil for brains.

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  189. Tom Welsh says:

    Alas and dammit! I can’t see that video without playing it again. It’s one of the most compulsive things I have ever seen.

  190. @Skeptikal

    Where I live naturally formed cumulus clouds do occur, but are notable for their extreme rarity. Nearly all cloud cover is formed by Weather Modification spraying, so-called ChemTrails. SO2 generators carried by aircraft. The tech has been around since the ’60’s, look up Operation Popeye(weather warfare against N Vietnam). I am certain it is SO2 being sprayed because of two reasons. One, on the LowCloud days I wake up with stuffed sinuses and voluminous clear post-nasal drip, and these are two symptoms of SO2 poisoning. Two, when the spraying doesn’t work optimally, we get what I call “white gas” sky, like a white gas from ground level to 2000ft. This corresponds to a phenomena associated with volcanic activity called “dry fog”. The “dry fog” is caused by massive releases of SO2 gas by the volcano. I observe regularly and frequently aircraft conducting spraying operations, flying far too low for the formation of “contrails”. The purpose is to mitigate global warming, or at least fudge the 2m altitude temperature record, and to induce precipitation.

  191. @RoatanBill

    The American Enterprise Institute??!! Are you a hard Right Jew or Zionazi then? In fact, in the world of reality, of real observations, real climate, real weather and real human suffering, REALITY, not ‘predictions’, has worsened FAR MORE rapidly than even the most ‘pessimistic’ IPCC predictions. You have your victory-you’ve killed your own spawn, if any, and ours, and you can just sit back and think up excuses when they come to you for explanations.

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    , @Alfred
  192. @Alfred

    As ever, the same moronic lies. What pathopsychological rewards do you get from doing your dirty little bit to exterminate humanity? The usual question arises-what Evil impulse makes you chose fossil fuel disinformation in preference to ALL Academies of Science on Earth, ALL the learned scientific societies and 99% of climate scientists. They are ALL wrong or lying, but a poisonous toad like you and your cabal of life-haters are correct?

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    , @Alfred
  193. @Mevashir

    Thank you for the interview with Prince Turki al-Faisal, Mevashir. A true diplomat (perhaps in contrast with the interviewer) who does a good job of representing KSA.
    It may be “diplomatic” to go along the standard, but now discredited, official 9/11 story with Bin Laden, 15 Saudi hijackers etc. But not to his credit anyway IMHO. His account of Wahabbism was interesting.
    As you say it is heartening to hear of official KSA interest in resolving the Palestine issue. He also said there have been attempts at this since 1948 and nothing except more misery for the Palestinians is the result thus far. In my humble opinion, this is simply because USA has been and is controlled by Zionist Jews and their servants.
    The situation will change as USA continues to weaken, with perhaps more retreats from ME.

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  194. @Dario

    ‘Poles’ are NOT ‘Poland’. By Poland I mean the State-many Poles are not fascists or priest-addled survivors of priestly paedophilia.

  195. @Arthur MacBride

    PS. There is also the rather uncomfortable reality that KSA is widely regarded as no more than a dupe for Israel by many Arabs. Not to mention its prolonged and vicious war against Yemen. Which it is not winning despite super hi-techery.
    UAE, a British creation, is another. And Oman.

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  196. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are true to form.

    It matters not one bit who wrote the article or where it was featured. It doesn’t matter if the CEO of Exxon Mobil wrote it or if Greta wrote it. All that matters is the 50 points and if they are true or not.

    Question: Can you refute the 50 points? If you can’t, then your killed your own spawn malarkey is just you being you.

    Go ahead, I’d like to see you refute the 50 points one at a time.

    As for your REALITY boast, models are not reality. The world hasn’t ended the numerous times the modelers claimed it would happen. I just watched a video about the tremendous coral growth off Australia, record setting in fact. Your oh so reliable climate priests are reliable in only one direction – always wrong.

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  197. @ThreeCranes

    You can visit the lake, Canoe Lake, where Thompson died. It is the gateway to some lovely tripping in Algonquin Park. On Canoe Lake is a portage store renting canoes and anything else you might need. You can drink the water in any of the lakes, lovely taste. Canoe Lake is just on the north side of the highway that runs through southern Algonquin Park. Thompson’s death is still a mystery. The big lakes can get fiendishly rough water in the afternoon, I mean scary rough. Canoe Lake is not a big lake but I have experienced very rough water in the afternoon on even small lakes. When canoeing North Ontario lakes start at dawn, lovely glass smooth water, and pull in by 1PM to make camp, you will thank me for this advice. North Ontario is a beautiful, but cruel place. Things just vanish…I could tell you stories. There is an evil that lies waiting, secretly, in North Ontario, and I think Thompson fell victim to that evil. By the time Thompson arrived, Algonquin had been logged out of the noble White Pine. Red Pine is also noble and beautiful in a different way. What he painted did not look like what once was, which was God’s own cathedral. If you go opposite Canoe Lake, south across the highway, to Smoke Lake, there are still groves of giant White Pine. You must, once in your life, experience a grove of White Pine. Tall and straight as a clipper ship’s mast with no lower branches, like columns in a cathedral, the ground naturally clear of undergrowth and carpeted with pine needles. But it is the scent of the bark that is the real experience, and it fills the air of the grove. A blind man could have it all. Like the scent of the hair of the most beautiful woman in the world. SW Ontario was once covered in White Pine, no more. If you are ever in Toronto, you can have the White Pine Experience in Chapman Park, a tiny gem unknown to most Torontonians. A small ravine with a creek that empties into the Humber River just north of Eglinton Avenue. I counted 92 White Pines in the lower section. Unique.

  198. @Anon

    I have an old shack that needs repairs, but it’s mine, not some bank’s. I have an old truck but it’s mine too. A few years ago I bought a 40 acre woodlot that will provide me…

    Banks may not own your shack or your 40 acres ( Do you have a mule?), but you will have to pay property taxes to Caesar as long as you live. And the gooberment may keep on increasing your taxes in the future, or expropriate your land for solar panels or wind mills.

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  199. @RoatanBill

    Shove your points up your fundament, you ghoul. The Great Barrier Reef is in the worst condition ever recorded, after three massive bleachings in less than a decade. Any ‘video’ that says otherwise is psychopathic denialist lying, and it takes a moral imbecile, pig ignoramus and spiritual retard to believe it. Just why do you sickos want to murder all our children?

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    , @RoatanBill
  200. @Arthur MacBride

    The Saud Mafia family are doenmeh, crypto-Jews, descendants of followers of the failed Messiah Sabbatai Zevi. The founder of their genocide-cult, Wahhabism, was also a doenmeh. Sauds often address Israelis as ‘cousins’.

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  201. Tom Welsh says:

    I think you missed the irony.

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  202. @mulga mumblebrain

    I knew you couldn’t comment on the list of failures your side has achieved and that you would lash out, but wasn’t expecting such a flamboyant display. I love it!

    You’ve outdone yourself. Bravo!

    Keep up your good work at destroying any credibility you warmers might have.

    Here’s the video, BTW:

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  203. @mulga mumblebrain

    all your trials, chicken little, will soon be over

  204. @mulga mumblebrain

    dear, dear, that explains everything. the doenmeh left civilization, went into the desert and became fanatics. and the bedouin never noticed

  205. @xcd

    Interesting article.

    I just sent the link to Wal Thornhill, the top physicist at the Thunderbolts Project, with a suggestion to forward to the Safire Project.

    Thank You.

  206. @mulga mumblebrain

    I thought you might be interested in this :

    The Hidden \$150 Trillion Agenda Behind The “Crusade” Against Climate Change

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  207. @RobinG

    ‘…It was sad to see Trump in Iowa yesterday, extolling his support of ethanol. The speech was [the usual] mixture of bubbles of truth in a sea of bizarre fabrication. The MAGA people who buy it all are living in an exceptionalist fantasy land.’

    As opposed to?

  208. @Bombercommand

    CO2 molecules are roughly 1 out of every 2500 other air molecules. If all that CO2 were a blanket atop the atmosphere, then there would be a case to be made that CO2 has a greenhouse effect on the planet. As it is, CO2 is a heavy molecule and Brownian motion alone says that it will always be mixed in the atmosphere.

    If a molecule of CO2 accepts heat, it is surrounded by 2500 other molecules that will take it away and those molecules will radiate the heat back into space since they are not greenhouse gas villains. Common sense says that if I heat up a ball bearing and throw it among 2500 other ball bearings, that the heat will travel from the hot to the cold. CO2 is no different.

    It is the minuscule concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere that makes the greenhouse gas argument a bit ridiculous. If there were a much higher concentration like the 9000 ppm millions of years ago, then it might have a measurable effect. There were animals back then that survived that concentration so claiming 400 ppm will lead to a runaway heating is just alarmism.

    If you can logically come up with a rebuttal, I’d like to hear it. Appeals to authority will hold no weight as the climate scientists and the entire IPCC concept has been shown to be a fraud in numerous ways, not the least of which are the statements made by their own officials.

  209. Skeptikal says:
    @Tom Welsh

    No I didn’t “miss the irony.”

    It just didn’t work.

  210. @RoatanBill

    It’s always amusing when a brainwashed moron openly brags of it. Amazing that tens of thousands of climate scientist, atmospheric chemists and physicists, over 200 years, AND all the Academies of Science and scientific societies on Earth don’t comprehend your staggering genius, and how you have revolutionised science-although not originally, because I’ve seen hundreds of other denialist dullards spewing this vile gibberish for decades. What’s it like ‘..standing on the shoulders of pygmies’.

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  211. @RoatanBill

    The racist sub-fascists at Zero don’t mention the cost of NOT averting anthropogenic climate destabilisation. That cost is INFINITE, as the extinction of our species must be so evaluated. And that is 150 trillion over 30 years, ie 500 billion a year. And the money won’t be burned. It will go to industries and workers around the world, just not your beloved, omnicidal, fossil fuel Moloch. Just why you psychopaths are so keen to exterminate your own (one presumes) species is a mystery, but not an insoluble one.

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  212. @RoatanBill

    Andrew Bolt??!! Sky News!!!?? You’re even dumber than I supposed.

  213. @RoatanBill

    John Tyndall. Infrared Light Experiments. 1859. There is your “rebuttal”. Choke on it. Throw in Charles David Keeling’s Keeling Curve and you are now sinking into the quicksand of your arrogant stupidity while choking on your ignorance of science. You call yourself an “engineer”??? Just 1ppmCO2 is equivalent to 7.8 BILLION TONS OF CO2!!! We are at 413ppm as we speak, do the “maths”. How does CO2 trap heat??? Once again…. Ask Mr Tyndall!!! He correctly postulated the mechanism 160 years ago: Harmonic Resonance. Get up to speed “Bill”, you’re over a century and a half out of date and falling rapidly behind. Time to play the game of “catch up”. Good luck.

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  214. @Bombercommand

    Typical of those that can’t answer a question to just become shit flingers. Lack of intelligence seems to always manifest itself with name calling. I’ll now add you into the Mumbled Brain club.

    I’ll try one more time, knowing you can’t use any amount of logic, but just for the record.

    If there were only one CO2 molecule in the entire atmosphere, it would be ridiculous to claim that the greenhouse effect it creates has any measurable effect on the climate. If, on the other hand, CO2 comprised 100% of the atmosphere, it would be ridiculous to claim there was no greenhouse effect.

    So, somewhere in between these two limits is where the effect of having CO2 in the atmosphere has an impact. It is a matter of CO2 concentration. No one has shown that the current concentration of CO2 is detrimental via experiment. The earth is not a black body and the dynamics the earth encounters were never included in any early experiments.

    The map is not the territory.
    Alfred Korzybski

    The earth is not a lab experiment.

    The models used by the climate frauds have never shown even the slightest correlation to historic records when they’ve tried to model what was already known and these people have an advantage over Tyndall and others from over a century ago in that they have computers and advanced knowledge the old timers never had.

    I’m not denying the greenhouse effect. I’m denying that the modelers know how to use it in their projections and all they’re doing is alarmism due to sloppy science. They are also purposely fear mongering for a political agenda and they’ve been caught cooking the books on more than one occasion. They are simply not to be trusted.

    • Agree: Realist
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    , @Bombercommand
  215. Realist says:

    I’ll now add you into the Mumbled Brain club.

    On this blog that is a substantial club.

  216. @mulga mumblebrain

    I realize that the CO2 monster is something you fear greatly, but I suspect it’s due to your ignorance concerning scientific and engineering processes. My bet is that you don’t have anything resembling a STEM education and that you arrive at your position from ignorance and a blind faith in the frauds pretending to be climate scientists.

    What is your educational background, I ask again?

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  217. @RoatanBill

    The Keeling Curve tracks the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere, there is a complete record of daily readings from the mid-1950’s. The increase in The Average Worldwide Temperature, from a baseline of the 1880-1910 Average, exactly tracks The Keeling Curve. What more do you need, Bill???

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  218. @Bombercommand

    The correspondence of CO2 to temperature is a correlation and proves nothing, as you well know. Geologic records show that CO2 lagged temperature rise by up to 800 years in the past when there were no human beings on the planet. That shows the earth is capable of correlating temperature and CO2 all on its own with no help from mankind.

    All of that really doesn’t matter, however.

    The contention that a trace amount of CO2 gas at a .0004 level is responsible for what we currently record simply isn’t credible, especially when water vapor, an admittedly much more potent greenhouse gas is exonerated as a primary or even significant cause. It is TPTsB’s insistence of blaming CO2 and all the control and spending they insist on while simultaneously ignoring clouds that have been shown to be induced by cosmic radiation via Svensmark that simply smells like a giant swindle.

    Purposely ignoring a far more potent GHG, water vapor, that is largely beyond our control, while concentrating enormous effort in demonizing the infinitesimal CO2 concentration and providing research funding almost exclusively for any and all that can help the scam along is, to me, a clear sign of a conclusion demanding that evidence be manufactured to support it and the climate scientist frauds have been paid handsomely to oblige.

    One of the real head scratchers for me has been the hydrogen fuel nonsense as a panacea to replace fossil fuels. Any conversion of hydrogen via any oxidative process will produce H2O in the form of a vapor in a vehicle. I can just picture enormous clouds over cities produced by hydrogen use to produce more warming according to the current paradigm. What a farce.

    That greenhouse gases exist has been known for a long time and that CO2 is one of them is not in contention. What is in doubt is that CO2 is the primary factor in any warming we currently experience. There is absolutely no experimental evidence for the currently pushed view and I doubt one could be even honestly attempted given the chaotic and complex nature of the atmosphere, our incredibly limited understanding of it and, so far, the inability of the modelers to even come close to reproducing past event via computer simulation.

    Climate science is in such a primitive state that any enunciation from that quarter isn’t worthy of serious consideration.

    I note that you didn’t even try to debunk my example of CO2 handing off its heat to neighboring molecules for them to radiate the heat to space. So far, all you’ve managed to show is you can sling shit and name call. I dare you to honestly show where my example has a fatal flaw. I’m not claiming it’s the absolute truth, just that it throws doubt on the official version that TPTsB want to spend trillions on with them as the primary beneficiaries.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  219. @RoatanBill

    So you acknowledge we are experiencing warming, we are making some progress. But you deny that warming is caused by an increase in CO2 levels from 270ppm(“preindustrial”) to 415ppm(mean) today. How do you account for the fact that the warming exactly tracks The Keeling Curve?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  220. As I’ve stated before, very few people deny climate change both up and down in temperature. It’s the warming zealots that like to throw around the canard that people deny warming. What many deny is that CO2 is the recent cause.

    The geologic record is full of temperature swings. To lay some specific and frightening significance to the last few decades in terms of warming is offset by the previous few decades of the “experts” worried about cooling. I think their limited time line granularity of view is a mistake.

    As far as correlations are concerned, one does not make a strong case either way. Geology says we are at the end of an interglacial and actually overdue for a cold spell that has previously lasted on the order of 90,000 years. Here we have records in ice and elsewhere for a cyclical pattern that can’t be denied and that pattern precedes the appearance of humans on the planet. Yes, warming without humans, what a novel idea.

    The fact that weak sun spot activity is historically correlated with multiple instances of severe cold spells, that there’s theory that states warming is the precursor to rapid cooling and we’re headed into a predicted low sun spot cycle points at a cooling world.

    And still no rebuttal to my example. Why is that?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  221. @Bombercommand

    Bilious Bill don’t do facts. ‘I don’t need no Goddammed facts!’. He does pathopsychology manifested as extreme hatred of Life on Earth, and true cultic obduracy. A failed attempt at human life, like all the others.

  222. @RoatanBill

    More moronic blah, blah, blah, just like Greta parodied. Yet Bilious Bill poses as a Big Brain, so it must be knowing lies in the service of exterminating human life. Quite a little hobby you have there, Bilious/.

    • LOL: RoatanBill
  223. @RoatanBill

    If you are educated then you are Evil. If a moron fed on fossil fuel disinfo, then you are Evil AND dumb. Perhaps you rise to Dunning-Krugerism. The fatal flaw is that EVERY Academy of Science and scientific society on Earth and 99% of active climate scientists refute your poisonous, omnicidal, bilge. There is NO getting around that.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  224. @mulga mumblebrain

    Anyone reading my comments and yours will, I trust, rapidly deduce who is educated and who can’t hold up their end of a conversation. People that believe in the church of global warming via CO2 should be trying to put a gag on you because you certainly aren’t doing their side any good.

    From my perspective, every inane comment you write just reflects on your sides typical hysterical nature. Please, by all means, keep up your stream of consciousness babble and insults. I’m immune, so keep making a fool of yourself as you see fit.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  225. Derer says:

    Numerous studies quantified…the green energy needs more conventional energy so the whole thing is one colossal hoax without any benefits for the humanity. Al Gore and many other dishonest peddlers became billionaires from this alternative energy hoax.

  226. Jazman says:

    You are warned us about what is going to happen with energy , and how absurd is so called green useless energy

  227. @RoatanBill

    Anyone reading your comments will wonder where a creature gets the arrogance to assert his intellectual superiority over ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies on Earth, while spewing the dumbest denialist canards, ones better understood by high-school students. I suppose some will feel pity for your low character and mentality, but others, particularly the young who increasingly realise that psychopaths like you are determined to rob them of their lives, will, justifiably, be enraged.

    • LOL: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @peterrabbit
    , @RoatanBill
  228. @RoatanBill

    Whatever. How do you account for the fact the warming tracks The Keeling Curve??? Do you even know what The Keeling Curve is??? Do you know who Charles David Keeling is??? Do you know the work of : Herschel, Fourier, Tyndall, Arrhenius, that led up to Keeling??? Do some reading and get back to me. Once again…This is all so tedious…How do you account for the fact the warming tracks The Keeling Curve???

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  229. @Bombercommand

    You’re stuck on one correlation. I’ve given you several in the opposite direction. That’s the whole point, the science isn’t settled and history is on the side of cold coming.

    Get back to me when you can answer my question.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  230. @mulga mumblebrain

    “China is also the world leader in solar, wind, hydro and other renewables”

    If they’re the leader, why do they burn 54% of the world’s coal?

  231. @mulga mumblebrain

    you remind me of kindergarten. or lucy in peanuts hounding charlie brown.

  232. @mulga mumblebrain

    I do not object to being denounced, but I can’t abide being schoolmastered, especially by men I regard as imbeciles.
    H. L. Mencken

  233. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    It seems European leaders are determined to freeze out any houses that are being heated by natural gas. UK regulators rejected Shell’s plans to develop the North Sea gasfield, and Shell is not a Russian or Iranian company. My explanation: they want to kill off oil and gas; and they do not mind the frozen citizens. In the UK, the fuel bills will rise by £400; he who can’t afford it, let him suffer


    The Green Agenda or How This Energy Crisis is Different from All Others
    By F. William Engdahl


    ”The Green Energy Agenda of the EU, US and other governments along with the Davos-promoted ESG investing will only guarantee that as we go forward there will be even less gas or coal or nuclear to fall back on when the wind stops, there is a drought in hydroelectric dams or lack of sunshine. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize this is a road to economic destruction. But that’s in fact the goal of the UN 2030 “sustainable” energy or the Davos Great Reset: population reduction on a massive scale. We humans are the frogs being slowly boiled. And now the Powers That Be are really turning the heat up.”

    ”What makes this different from the energy shocks of the 1970s is that this time, it is developing as the corporate investment world, using the fraudulent ESG green investment model, is dis-investing in future oil, gas and coal while OECD governments embrace horrendously inefficient, unreliable solar and wind that will insure the collapse of industrial society perhaps as early as the next months. Barring a dramatic rethinking, the EU and other industrial economies are willfully committing economic suicide.”

    • Replies: @anon
  234. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    To infinity…. and beyond!!!!! Engdahl is akin to Lyndon LaRouche, favors exponential population growth that will produce select exceptional individuals. After they perfect fusion power, this cadre will leave Earth to colonize space. Normies will be left here to cope with what’s left of the planet.

  235. @RoatanBill

    It is all so tiresome…The science was settled 120 years ago…67 years ago Charles David Keeling set up a data collection point in Hawaii so we can watch the signposts go flashing by…by 2031 we will be at 450ppmCO2 and 1.5C above the 1880-1910 Thirty Year Average…You have some reading to do, Bill…

  236. @Bombercommand

    The science is never settled. Now I know you’re an ideologue.

    You place your faith, and I do mean faith, in a bunch of people who have never produced a model worth the cost of the electricity to run it. The “climate scientists” have such a primitive level of knowledge about their chosen subject that it takes a religious conviction to listen to their prognostications.

    I doubt you have an engineering or science background. You have been had by the frauds in the IPCC and their stooges that take grant money to produce the crap required of them.

    There are no climate scientists. There are data gatherers, there are modelers and there are PR priests to spread the word. Science may one day come out of their church, but that may be 20 or 30 years from now. In the interim, they are con artists out to make a decent living by lying their asses off.

    • Agree: Realist
  237. Athena says:

    The problem is that East Europeans like to cheat the Russians. They know the Russians are hated by the US and EU elites; so they believe they will get better results through litigation. They keep moving the goalposts to ensure their victory.

    If the EU will not allow Russians to run the pipeline as they see fit, perhaps the Europeans won’t get any natural gas at all. And then, it will be this very cold winter that will decide for Europeans. The question is, do they prefer to stay well heated, or do they prefer to screw the Russians even at the price of freezing?”

    NATO and UK friends (Chatham House) who don’t want Russians to run pipelines in Europe, are at it (again) demonizing Russia.

    What deters Russia?

    ‘This event explores what lessons can be taken from past responses to Russian hostile actions and suggests recommendations for effective deterrence.”

    Future of defence
    In conversation with Jim Taiclet, CEO, Lockheed Martin.

    ”Jim Taiclet, CEO of Lockheed Martin, took the helm of the company one year ago and has put forward a vision to accelerate the delivery of new technological capabilities that will enhance network-centric defence. This conversation explores what these new capabilities mean for supply chains, industrial participation and government procurement in enabling nations to address the growing threats posed by the rise of Russia and China while strengthening multi-domain integration around the world. ”

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  238. @Athena

    No US military expenditure has ever been used for ‘defense’. It is tens of trillions wasted on ceaseless aggression, destruction and mass murder. Now, they are stumped-no matter how much funny money they throw at Lockheed et al, they will never enjoy Full Spectrum Dominance again, and being cowards, that either means peace (unlikely) or a sneak thermo-nuclear or biological attack (growing more probable by the day).

  239. @RoatanBill

    But there ARE lying, omnicidal, psychopaths, and you’ll find one by looking in a mirror.

    • LOL: RoatanBill
  240. @Bombercommand

    Don’t forget the methane, nitrous oxide and man-made greenhouse gases. We’ll be at 500ppm CO2 equivalent by 2031, and as dead as any zombie.

  241. @RoatanBill

    You are crumbling, that is good. As Goethe wrote “Without this dying and becoming we are but sad guests on this dark Earth”. I am no ideologue, I am a Generalist and a Militarist, mostly useless I admit, but we get the truely important things done, at no profit to ourselves. You take great pride in your “science or engineering background”??? Then you should groove on the reading list I gave you and understand its significance. Herschel: discovered Infrared Light(also composed 24 symphonies, manufactured reflector telescopes, catalogued thousands of stars and galaxies, discovered the planet Uranus). Fourier: calculated the earth should be an ice ball based on the sun’s distance and its energy, postulated that the earth’s atmosphere prevented the radiation into space of “non-luminous heat”(Infrared was not yet a term), and so gave Earth it’s balmy temperature. Tyndall: discovered that CO2 retained Infrared Radiation and correctly postulated this was due to the harmonic resonance of CO2 with the frequency of Infrared Light. Arrhenius: correctly calculated the increase in Earth’s Average World Wide Temperature if CO2 levels were doubled. These men were the 19th century giants upon whose shoulders stand today’s scientists. Herschel et al were the Architects, today’s scientists are the Bricklayers. Do you really wish to claim the edifice is not magnificently designed and beautifully constructed??? Do you really wish to claim Charles David Keeling was a jackass wasting everyone’s time and money??? You are utterly ridiculous. Give it up. You will feel much better after.

    • Troll: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  242. Gordo says:

    Why don’t we encounter extra-terrestrials? Here’s a possible answer: every sapient civilisation destroys itself before it achieves the capability to venture to the stars.

    Perhaps someone should be looking at what may destroy us before we reach the stars?

    My guess is nanotechnology.

  243. Alfred says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    As ever, the same moronic lies.

    Where is your data for so-called Global Warming?

    Here is some more bad news which the MSM is filtering out.

    Does anyone still wonder why Beijing has panicked and is buying LNG and coal at any price?

    Beijing Suffers Lowest October Temperature in Half a Century as City Freezes 20-Days Earlier Than Normal, + Rare Spring Blizzards Batter Argentina

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  244. Alfred says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Here is some more fertilizer for your “night-soil”

    From Russia to the Indian Ocean to Antarctica, surface temperatures were much warmer than they are today during Medieval times.

    4 More New Reconstructions Affirm The Medieval Warm Period Was ‘Warmer Than Today’

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  245. @Alfred

    Watts Up With That, of course. Like a Nazi quoting Mein Kampf, only much worse. What was the human population in the Medieval period? Do you think that a natural variation, when the population was vastly smaller than today, refutes the fact that today, with the population eight billion, and dependent on climate stability for food production, there is the greatest and most rapid climate destabilisation, caused by humanity, since the PETM, 55 million years ago.
    Of course you don’t. As a denialist psychopath you allow your tiny reptilian ‘brain’ to be manipulated in the service of omnicide and fossil fuel profits. A creature does not and cannot, come lower than that. An enemy of Life on Earth.

  246. @Alfred

    The Earth’s climate system is highly dynamic. When there is a great forcing like the current fastest and greatest increase in atmospheric greenhouse gases for at least 55 million years, that dynamic system will enter a period of huge instability, of chaos. That will destroy humanity through agricultural failure, let alone the consequences of 50 degree Celsius temperatures in British Columbia. Paleo-climate and geologic evidence show that these changes will be unprecedented in human history.
    Insects like you pick and choose. You grab for ‘evidence’ of cold, but ignore or deny record deluges, record floods, record temperatures, megafires worldwide, glacier melt and retreat etc. You are nassty, a real Life-hating psychopath, as well as stupid and brainwashed. Record snowfalls require increased atmospheric water vapour, a consequence of climate instability, and a positive feedback, but that is beyond your intelligence to comprehend. At least your type are about to disappear from the cosmos, along with the rest of us.

  247. @Bombercommand

    Well said, but wasted on denialist cockroaches. As well as their hatred of Life on Earth, there is now the question of loss of face. Rightwing thugs NEVER change their minds. If the evidence changes, they denounce and deny the evidence. Huge, unwarranted, narcissism is one of their many detestable psychopathies.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  248. Athena says:

    Could it be explained by their hostility to Russia? None of the countries blessed by natural gas and oil (Iran, Venezuela, Russia) are favoured allies of the EU and UK.

    The problem is that East Europeans like to cheat the Russians. They know the Russians are hated by the US and EU elites; so they believe they will get better results through litigation. They keep moving the goalposts to ensure their victory.

    The liars and manipulators at Chatham House continue to demonize Russia and portray Russians as aggressors:

    Lockheed Martin and Oxford-NATO-MI6 friends:

    Future of defence
    In conversation with Jim Taiclet, CEO, Lockheed Martin.

    ”This conversation explores what these new capabilities mean for supply chains, industrial participation and government procurement in enabling nations to address the growing threats posed by the rise of Russia and China while strengthening multi-domain integration around the world. ”

    What deters Russia?

    This event explores what lessons can be taken from past responses to Russian hostile actions and suggests recommendations for effective deterrence.

    ”Driven by perceptions that it is in conflict with the West, Russia continues to use a variety of state and non-state levers of power to harm Western governments, societies and people which have become progressively more unchecked and damaging.”

  249. @RoatanBill

    ‘Small’ modular reactors means MANY nuclear reactors-what could go wrong?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  250. @israel shamir

    NOT in summer-ever heard of summer, Izzy?

  251. @Graham Seibert

    A dullard’s dullard. Done your own research have you? It doesn’t look like it. Before 5 degrees Celsius positive feed-backs like the loss of Arctic sea ice with its high albedo, the melting of permafrost and submarine methane clathrates releasing greenhouse gases, the collapse of the global thermo-haline ocean circulation, the death of forests, the end of tropical forests like that of the Amazon, mega-fires etc, will guarantee ten or more degrees C, and, hey presto, you’re dead. ‘Research’ that, buffpoon.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  252. @mulga mumblebrain

    I know that once a mumblebrain latches on to an erroneous idea there’s no way to change what little mind is involved, but for the record I’ll try to explain how a modern design gets rid of most of the issues surrounding nuclear power.

    Traditional reactors use water in a high pressure environment to act as a coolant as well as a way to transfer the heat from what is essentially a boiler to a turbine that then connects to a generator that actually makes the electrical power. The pressure involved is why a containment building is required as a safety measure should anything happen to the reactor vessel. Fukushima and Chernobyl explosions were not nuclear detonations, but high pressure reactions that ruptured the containment building in a spectacular way. Both steam and hydrogen gas were the sources of the power. Alvin Weinberg, the patent holder for this reactor design, warned about this inherent weakness but no one listened to him.

    The newer design replaces the water with a fluoride lithium beryllium salt that provides the same function as the water only at near atmospheric pressure. It’s the lack of pressure that makes this design much safer as no pressure containment building is required. This category of reactor is referred to as a molten salt reactor (MSR).

    The salt is a solid at room temperature. It gets heated to become a high temperature liquid which then flows through the reactor to extract the heat from nuclear fission. The turbine and generator sections are largely the same as in the old design, just more capable because the salt is at a much higher temperature which provides far greater thermal efficiency. Alvin Weinberg also holds the patent for this design and is what he championed.

    Pumps are used in both designs to move the liquid around. In the case of the water, if the pumps fail, the water eventually produces so much pressure that it fractures the reactor, flashes to steam and the rest is history. With the salt, the increase in temperature past it’s normal operating point causes a “freeze plug” to melt and the salt is drained into holding tanks via gravity in such a way that the nuclear reaction stops. It’s inherently safe because no controls are required to drain the salt, just gravity.

    In the traditional reactor, the nuclear fuel is a solid, usually in pellet form, and the pellets crack through use and must be removed at a certain point of deterioration. The benefit of using the salt is that the fuel is a liquid as part of the salt. Being a liquid, chemical processes can be applied while the reactor is running to continuously remove waste products and to inject new fuel as needed. Almost 100% of the fuel can therefore be converted to energy resulting in a vast reduction of nuclear waste where less than 3% of the pellet fuel is ever consumed in the traditional design. The spent fuel ponds adjacent to current reactors is to hold the deformed pellets and keep them cool and sub critical while they still contain the majority of their nuclear capability that is treated as waste.

    MSR’s can be built in factories where they can be turned out rapidly like any other mass produced product. It’s the smaller size that allows them to be shipped to where they are needed and to be made operational in a fraction of the time required for the older design.

    Additional MSR benefits include consuming the Uranium still available in the deformed pellets, thus reducing old nuclear waste, creating nuclear medicines, creating fuel for space missions, among others.

    • Replies: @Stephane
  253. Stephane says:

    At least it’s the theory, but that egg is not hatched yet.

    It’s promizing, but there is still a lot of unknowns and developpement and validation work to do (and of money to spend !) before this thechnology can be considered ready for industrialization, and it may end up as not really usable.

    The history of technology has many promizing candidates that didn’t make it to market and mass production, and this could be one of them.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  254. @Stephane

    The Molten Salt Reactor Experiment ran for years without a hitch in the 60’s. Even wikipedia has a decent summary.

    What’s needed is what the Chinese have recently announced, a small test reactor and because they can see it is likely to be successful, also announced a small but still industrial scale larger version. In the 60’s they didn’t have the metallurgy, computers, and other modern components and it still worked for years. A US firm has contracted to build a test reactor in Indonesia because they are prohibited by law to build one in the US.

    I’ll agree that unknown issues may arise, but the basics have been worked out already. It’s way past time to get this technology out of the lab and into the field where any kinks can be discovered and ironed out.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  255. Skeptikal says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    And the Grand prize for the Most Techno-Jargon Used as Imprecation in Fewer Than Six Lines of Text goes to the Mumble!!

    Prize: Complete set of Dick and Jane books.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  256. Skeptikal says:

    “I’ll agree that unknown issues may arise, ”

    A heck of a lot of known unknowns already dog the future of wind and solar–such as disposal of blades and used-up solar panels—yet development is now galloping ahead under Biden. Actually, it kind of reminds me of Biden’s vaccination push.

    At least spent nuclear fuel is contained, not just dumped somewhere in the environment—preferably “out of sight, out of mind” in a poor third world country!

    Another “unknown” (wink wink) is whether the cost of installing and operating vast wind and solar “farms” will ever produce more energy than the inputs. or whether the whole wind-solar renewables program is actually an economic development program that will never have to pay its way and for which taxpayers will ultimately have to assume liabilities.

    Heck, what’s a trillion or two, just as long as we get green energy?? Cf. Germany. And the UK.

  257. @Skeptikal

    I’m not a fan of wind turbines unless they’re in the ocean and even there I’m not all that thrilled about them. The blades degrade too quickly and the whole assembly relies heavily on materials where we’re approaching the edge of what is even possible. They have to be light and strong and that combination is hard to come by via strength of materials and certainly the cost.

    Solar on individual rooftops for a family home is a perfect application. Solar on the roof of any structure where its roof surface area is sufficient to generate a significant amount of the power the facility needs should be considered. Since decent panels survive about 25 years at up to 90% efficiency, they’re a good investment almost any way you look at them. Disposal could be handled to reclaim the base materials since they’re largely benign.

    What I’m not in favor of is massive solar farms that utilities run because I’d like to see the end of electric utilities and nation spanning transmission lines. The future will surely be small modular reactors for industrial areas that need a concentrated form of steady power plus distributed solar at the smaller level with a mix to take care of what’s left.

    Given the current push towards a totalitarian future, if the asshats get their way, it behooves everyone to become as self sufficient as possible and that includes energy in a big way. That’s another reason why I want electric vehicles; to remove the dependence on fuels I have no control over sourcing and to starve gov’t of the tax revenues they impose on fossil fuels.

  258. @RoatanBill

    No wonder the Chinese are eating your lunch, with idiots like you rampant. Mind you, one or two of your ideas are correct, if obvious and minimal.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  259. @Skeptikal

    Of course your type of psychopath far prefers mass death, possibly extinction, for ‘your'(?) species. What a fine fellow you are.

  260. @Skeptikal

    Simple jargon, familiar to any high-school student. You wear your vile imbecility like a badge of honour. One reason for denialist death impulse is the rage they feel when they realise just how stupid and immoral they are, which transmutes into a hatred of the denialist’s betters and a desire to destroy them all.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  261. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are easily the worst “contributor” on this site. The bulk of your posts are nothing but attacks on other individuals and you never take up a challenge to your obvious idiocy.

    You’re like the hood rat cowards that do drive by shootings. You do drive by posts.

    You haven’t the intellect to accept a challenge on any subject, yet you sling shit continuously from a completely hollow position.

    Have you no shame?

    If you have children, aren’t you concerned they’ll discover how nasty you are on top of how ignorant?

  262. dina says:
    @the cleaner

    In Switzerland on the mountains you can see the history of the glaciers from the early eighteen century, and you can see that they have been growing and retiring according to nature’s laws that we are not yet able to understand.

    Global warming was not acting in the early eighteen century due to fossil fuels and, to my knowledge, the climate is governed by the sun, are you telling us that we can handle the sun?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  263. Realist says:

    You are easily the worst “contributor” on this site.

    He has plenty of competition…I can not so confidently make that declaration…the completion is intense. But I think he is in the top ten.

    • Replies: @Realist
  264. @mulga mumblebrain

    You’re both as dense as a brick.

    I’ll take Mark Twain’s advice.

    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
    Mark Twain

  265. Skeptikal says:

    “That’s another reason why I want electric vehicles; to remove the dependence on fuels I have no control over sourcing and to starve gov’t of the tax revenues they impose on fossil fuels. ”

    I basically agree with you, but with a bunch of buts.

    The sourcing of the minerals needed for the electric paradise of tomorrow is a huge issue in the context of “energy independence.” Mining the deep sea floor? Exploiting workers in Vietnam and China to bring production costs down?

    Acres of wind farms in the ocean are IMO a nonstarter.

    They will never pay for themselves. They are a glorified economic development project funded by the taxpayer.As pointed out in this letter:

    ” In his report on the Campbeltown wind turbine factory, James Meek paints a bleak but persuasive picture of the opportunities lost for the green economy (LRB, 15 July). As he says, factories have struggled to win orders for even the most low-value manufacturing while, at the top of the food chain, wind farm ownership in the UK is dominated by foreign companies remitting billions of pounds of profit overseas. This history is all the more troubling given that every penny of profit earned from wind farms comes from government subsidy. Despite government rhetoric, there is little sign of ‘subsidy-free’ wind farms taking off; every one of today’s wind farms would be running at a loss without subsidy. There is no ‘free market’ in wind.

    ” However, while there is little evidence that government intervention can bring home more of the supply chain, retaining a greater share of wind farm ownership in the UK can be directly influenced by government policy, as other countries have demonstrated. In Denmark, for example, almost half the onshore turbines are locally owned, by communities, co-operatives and municipalities. Germany too maintains a high level of local ownership in onshore wind farm development.

    ” In Britain, unfortunately, laissez-faire policymaking has shied away from this kind of regulatory and political support, with the result that less than 1 per cent of the UK’s installed renewables capacity is locally owned. This gigantic failure of public policy has happened at all levels of government – local, devolved and national – and has gone unchallenged, so far, by any political party. Campbeltown and its Kintyre hinterland, for example, with a population of just ten thousand, hosts 24 wind farms, either operational or in development, some of them among the most productive in Europe. As far as I can tell, only two of these are locally owned. The profits from the rest leave Kintyre. If Kintyre were in Denmark, its communities would be prospering from their wind profits; in Scotland, they continue to struggle for jobs and income and to stop people leaving.”

    It is unclear who owns, or will own, the wind “farms” planned to enclose the East Coast of the USA.

    It looks increasing unlikely that wind and solar will ever be truly independent of fossil or nuclear power.

    Wrecking the environment in order to decarbonize is IMO nuts. At this point I agree with those who point out the pluses of state-of-the art nuclear power in combination with intelligently sited and scaled renewables. My take on this:
    solar at the building level; wind at the town level; nuclear and marine energy at the macro level. Publicly owned utilities, so that the communities sucking up the impacts of “green” also benefit from profits/subsidies.

  266. Skeptikal says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Another Grand Prize in the Hollow Imprecations Category for the novel Screech-Shriek-Rant-Blah blah blah.

    Signed, Vile Imbecile (Deplorable’s cousin)

  267. @Skeptikal

    I do love it when a denialist psychopath cynically pretends to oppose renewables because ‘they would wreck the environment’, as if denialist psychopaths care for anything but money, power and harming Life on Earth. You’re a particularly odious such dissembler, the fake ‘skeptic’ label a SURE sign of a vicious denialist.

  268. @Skeptikal

    I already stated my position on wind turbines, so I won’t comment further on them except to say that they can be replaced by solar at almost every opportunity. The only reason wind turbines are installed is because they are heavily subsidized.

    Solar is a very viable option under the right circumstances. The giant solar farms are a boondoggle. The solar installations on homes to send power to the grid during the hottest part of the day effectively could be another power plant or two in certain areas. There should be no incentives (bribes), not for solar, not for jabs, not for anything.

    A typical home could easily purchase a solar install and then have 10 or more years of no electrical costs after break even IF they didn’t get ripped off by the solar installation industry. As it stands, the average buyer is easy prey for the sharks making a fortune on the subsidies and greed of the average buyer.

    Where I am, electricity is just shy of US \$0.40 / kWh. At that rate and doing my own install, since I have the skills, the whole system is paid for in short order with essentially free power for decades. Even including battery storage, if done DIY, it’s really already dirt cheap for 10 to 20kW of reserve power. Those purchasing a Tesla Powerwall or similar and don’t want to get their hands dirty are the sheep ready to be sheared. That’s life.

    Ultimately, every country needs nuclear power for the next several decades as nothing else is going to be capable of base load night and day, hot or cold, year in and year out. The idiot greens opposed to nuclear are either ideologues or dumb as a stump.

  269. @RoatanBill

    The truth hurts, does it? I spent twenty years arguing with the denialist vermin after they swarmed out of their Rightwing, fossil fuel financed, hives, but soon realised that they were either paid trolls, Rightwing psychopaths who hate anything ‘Green’ for ideological reasons, or are hard-core psychopaths who hate Life on Earth, and wish to destroy it.
    The decades of repeated lies, disinformation, hypocrisy and sheer psychopathy, even as the global situation worsened far more rapidly than the ‘most pessimistic’ IPCC Reports’ predictions, revealed these swine to be among the worst that humanity have ever spawned. I speak of them as they are-PURE EVIL. The vilest criminals ever.

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  270. @dina

    A lying imbecile and brainwashed psychopath, with ‘little recent commenting history’. Just released from some troll sewer or Rightwing asylum.

  271. Realist says:

    Should read the competition is intense

  272. Erebus says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    If 20 yrs of shrill, delusionary screeching haven’t left a mark on your audience beyond a rolling of eyes and shaking of heads, why would you think continuing would do more than mark you as permanently, pathologically hysterical?

    The very same people wrote both the AGW/Climate Change and Covid narratives, to the same end. I understand that madness eventually takes its toll, but does that coincidence really mean nothing to you? Those people got richer, while you got poorer as the Covid meme played out. They’ll soon get even richer, while you get poorer through Climate Change and (more importantly) such liberties as may remain for you after Covid has passed will be taken from you as the Climate Change meme hits full stride.

    Your inability to see the connection is astonishing. Nowhere else have I encountered somebody who saw through one fraud but had swallowed its corollary with such cultish enthusiasm. It’s as if a resident of Jonestown, having rejected Jones’ religious-political cult loved the idea of drinking cyanide spiked koolaid. The mind boggles at the contradiction.

    Watch this and maybe you’ll take a breather long enough to consider ways of climbing out of, or at least recognizing the cognitively dissonant hole you’ve fallen into…

    • Agree: Realist
    • Thanks: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  273. RobinG says:

    “…both the AGW/Climate Change and Covid narratives….”

    Et tu, Erebus? Sometimes, it’s just a cigar.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  274. @Erebus

    Your making the connection is, on the one hand, stating the bleeding obvious (how sharp of you!) and, on the other, the usual paranoid delusion of the Rightwing bone-head.
    Of course the global parasites are exploiting BOTH CoViD and anthropogenic climate destabilisation. That is what they exist to do-exploit. They exploit everything in existence. In fact, and I bet this will come as a great surprise even to a genius like you, their greatest pile of exploitable loot is the fossil fuel industry that you support. That’s tens of trillions in gelt that they will not surrender easily. What’s your cut?
    CoViD is definitely being used to crash the global economy, to a no doubt sinister purpose. The ‘vaccines’ and the manner in which they are being forced on people, in contradiction of the Nuremberg Principles, the WMA’s Helsinki Accords and assurances given only yesterday, is deeply, deeply, troubling. But there is NO correlation between the elites’ exploitation of CoViD and the REALITY of anthropogenic climate destabilsation. Indeed the denialist industry that you serve is a creation of the global elites, but your type are too dumb to realise it, or are willing executioners for obscure and obscene psychopathological reasons.
    That the elites are exploiting the puny efforts to avert climate catastrophe is just what they do. It doesn’t alter the reality of physics and chemistry. We need a way to avert climate extinction that does not serve the elites’ purposes, which include mass depopulation, not just sit back and idiotically deny that our house is burning to the ground.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  275. Erebus says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    That the elites are exploiting the puny efforts to avert climate catastrophe is just what they do.

    Pull your pants up, your ignorance is showing. The climate catastrophe industry is in the 100s of \$Bs, and slated to become even bigger. If the world suddenly decided climate ain’t worth saving, literally 1,000,000s would be looking for a job the next day. It sounds like you simply have no experience with that industry, and so are free to imagine what you like. I have substantial experience with that industry, so giving my imagination free rein is not an option for me.

    It doesn’t alter the reality of physics and chemistry.

    More to the point, the climate catastrophe industry bootstrapped itself into existence by creating a completely new physics and chemistry, quite unrelated to the old one except tangentially, along with a fictional dataset for the new science to “analyse”. Using the old science’s words to create new lies worked.

    On no point at all does so-called “climate science” narrative touch on reality, except insofar as it occasionally stumbles over a contradiction and fetches up against some salient fact it neglected to distort or bury.

    Your pseudonym suits you too well by half. Watch the video I linked. It may shorten, if not remove that 10ft of 1in pipe you’re looking at the world through. Chao, until/unless you do.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  276. Erebus says:

    Sometimes, it’s just a cigar.

    You’re implying that there’s two cigars, and I’m saying rare is the man that smokes two cigars at the same time. Too rare by half.

    I think there’s only one, and the 2nd is a mirage.

  277. @Erebus

    I suspected that you were an omega denialist, the most fanatic type of gibberer of all gibberers, and here you prove it. The climate scientists ‘invented’ new physics and chemistry, did they? You need urgent attention, old boy. As for climate science never touching on reality, I recommend you visit those communities wiped out by megafires in Australia in 2019-20, and California numerous times recently, and those villages flooded to utter destruction in Germany, and spew that vicious mendacity. Or the communities in the Andes, losing their water supplies as glaciers disappear, and a million other examples.
    You thus illustrate nasstily the central psychopathy of the denialist hardcore-the hatred of other people, and Life on Earth in general, and the lust to see them destroyed. You are a type of zombie, with a soul twisted and contorted by no doubt lifelong hatred and resentment, and you are thoroughly enjoying the coming death and destruction, and doing your filthy bit to ensure it occurs as quickly as possible.
    As for the climate change industry that you, no doubt falsely, claim to understand, it, like every other industry on Earth, is minuscule in comparison to fossil fuels, the greatest pile of loot, valued in the tens of trillions, on Earth, and which underpins the entire global financial edifice. No doubt you’d love to get your paws on some of that gelt, and who cares if millions or billions die as a result.

    • LOL: Erebus
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  278. Erebus says:
    @mulga mumblebrain



    Seems the US has been in a quiet period for forest fires for more than half a century…

    Strangely, it seems that loss of life in forest fires was much more prevalent when CO2 emissions and the population was a fraction of today’s…

    As for Australia, it seems that brushfires took off as active, controlled burn fire management programs were wound down following pressure from misguided environmentalists (there are rational ones). IOWs, as Australia went green, it went hot. Controlled burns to get rid of the dry underbrush is how native N. Americans controlled for fire for centuries.

    I could go on, but the principle falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus applies. This is not the thread to show that every one of your points has the same truth value as a Faucian declaration re: SARS-2. Namely, zero.

    Should such a thread show up, I might engage. Bring 100 of your noisiest friends. Cultists rarely win arguments unless they can make a lot of noise. In any case, if COVID didn’t fix your climate problem, the vaxxines have been marshalled in support and can be expected to do their part. Will that be enough? I doubt it, so we’ll be looking at Climate Lockdowns soon. That is, until a Carbon Passport is implemented, which will limit your activities and purchases until you have nothing and are happy.

    • LOL: geokat62
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  279. @Erebus

    Deaths from forest fires were more in the past because of poorer transport, poorer communications and poorer fire-fighting apparatuses and organisations. Only an Evil, lying, imbecile like you would not know, or admit that. As for Austfailia, you are lying AGAIN you Evil, vicious, thug. Fire prevention burns have massively increased in recent years, but because of increase temperatures and drought, the safe window for such fires, which often get out of control, has narrowed markedly.
    So TWO EVIL lies, par for the course, than a truly sickeningly vicious exploitation of human tragedy for ‘humour’. You are truly the lowest level of denialist filth, and a perfect example of why we will be extinct by 2050. The cosmos cannot abide Evil such as yours.

    • LOL: Erebus
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  280. Erebus says:

    You are truly the lowest level of denialist filth, and a perfect example of why we will be extinct by 2050. The cosmos cannot abide Evil such as yours.

    Wow, did ya get any on ya?

    Calm down. Here’s a little light entertainment, to settle the vapours…

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