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My congratulations, friends and readers! The Taliban’s victory is our victory, yours and mine. We, non-Muslim and non-Pashtun folk, in the US and Europe, may rejoice, for in Afghanistan, virile (not “toxic”) masculinity defeated gender-diversity, believers defeated those weak of faith, the morals of our fathers overcome the morals of our sons. This is the sheer joy of the Afghan victory; this victory of bearded men with arms over a gender-diversified butch-run hosts and their feminist NGOs is our victory, too. Do not be ashamed of being a manly man; stand tall! It is a breath of fresh air, this manly victory in the far-away mountains trod by Alexander the Great’s phalanxes; and it is much nicer to write about than usual stuff, especially after this time of being drip-fed by hypochondriac news of another elder succumbing to the dreadful virus, of green passports, of medical advice on how to live longer, of atoning for the misdeeds of our forefathers, of being of the wrong race and how to avoid microaggressions lest somebody will feel hurt. If we, men, would like to hurt somebody, we won’t stop at a joke, we’ll reach for an RPG.

The RPG rocket launcher, of the kind preferred by the Talibs, really hurts. It is not an imaginary feeling of discomfort, but a real hole in the armour. Or a torn-off head. There is nothing micro in its delivery. You do not need a mask on the battlefield for the mask won’t stop the launched rocket. You won’t worry about the virus when you encounter real bullets. On the battlefield, the problem of gender-neutral toilets does not arise. Twitter can’t ban a machinegun, but a machinegun can banish Twitter and the whole Twitter gang. The Taliban defeated Wokery; they aren’t afraid of being politically incorrect as we are. The Taliban aren’t afraid to worship God and to call upon Him, as we are. They aren’t afraid to stand for family values – they don’t even understand how it could be different.

The Taliban is a harbinger of real muscular democracy and freedom from Bill Gates, Greta Thunberg, Anthony Fauci, Nancy Pelosi who all enslave us. They wouldn’t submit to this bunch; they would mete out revolutionary justice to those who want to deprive us of heating, who would blot out the Sun and suffocate us with their masks. A Trumper watches with envy as these rebels actually take the president palace instead of being accused of doing it on January 6.

These armed peasants reminded us that we still can change the world. It is not necessary to submit. All the rules of the game could be re-written; the whole game could be dumped. Normalcy, a traditional norm can be regained.

And it is a win-win thing: I, for one, do not think that America was defeated or that President Biden made a mistake. Far from it. Ending the occupation of a foreign land is a noble act. It was a real victory for Biden, victory over the Deep State, victory over Jewish Lobby. If it would be up to the Lobby, to the NY Times, to the CIA, the US would never ever leave Afghanistan. Read Bret Stephens in the New York Times (here is un-paywalled text), this is the authentic voice of the Lobby. Stephens, a Neocon and a son of Jewish parents (despite the assumed gentile last name), had been the editor-in-chief of The Jerusalem Post at the time of the Intifada and glorified the horrors of Israeli occupation. Stephens bewails the US “defeat” and claims the US should have stayed in Afghanistan forever. His best argument runs as follows: “But didn’t we have to leave Afghanistan sometime? So goes a counterargument. Yes, though we’ve been in Korea for 71 years, at far higher cost, and the world is better off for it.” Silly man! The world would be better without US troops in Korea; North and South would unite, and money spent there could pay for Americans’ education and health.

The Neocons, the masters of the Deep State, would never allow Trump to leave Afghanistan, as they derailed his meek attempts to leave Syria. Now Trump can criticize Biden for the Kabul airport ugly scenes, but to tell you truth, there is no nice way to leave, neither an occupied country, nor a woman you lived with for twenty years. If you decide to leave, be prepared for a lot of ugly nastiness. Withdrawal from Vietnam was also ugly, but it was a right decision then, and it is a right decision now.

Consider Auschwitz, definitely a harsh place. When the Germans had to leave, hundreds of Jews followed them westward (Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust writer, was among them). They were afraid of the Red Army coming to liberate them and preferred the Germans they knew. That’s why I am not amazed a lot of Afghans want to follow the US troops elsewhere: they are afraid of their liberators.

Things could be tough for all-too-eager supporters of the occupying regime. When the Nazis left France, many collaborators went to jail, some were lynched by the French patriots. But it does not mean it would be better to keep France occupied.

Biden was right to order the US to leave Afghanistan. He demonstrated much stamina in going against pleadings of his army, his intelligence services and the whole of the Deep State. I must admit that I have today much more respect for President Biden than I had before the withdrawal. I respect him even more for his excellent response to the British poodle. British statesmen complained about Biden’s decision to withdraw “after so much blood was shed there”. The UK could stay there in Afghanistan if they liked, Biden replied. They had this option, to stay. Just without American support. The US does not want to be the world’s policeman anymore.

ORDER IT NOW

Incidentally, the UK was the only NATO member that had the appetite for staying there, Johnson admitted. The opposition Labour party’s new boss Keir Starmer (who came to his position after Corbyn was hounded away by the smear of antisemitism) was as strongly against Biden as Johnson was. Well, Brits like wars. They pushed the unwilling US into WWI and WWII, and recently they tried to get some action at the sea of Crimea. It is good that Biden is not an easy guy to play; not as easy as Wilson and Roosevelt were.

Now there is a fighting chance that Biden will command and take the US troops from Iraq and Syria; and with some luck, from other countries, from Korea and the Philippines, or even from Germany and the UK. It would be very good for the American people; and perhaps we shall yet see Boris Johnson climbing on the roof of the Grosvenor Square building of the US Embassy in London to take the last helicopter flight out to an American aircraft carrier before the Brits put him up against the wall.

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This is not to diminish the victory of Taliban. They achieved an unbelievable feat: in the course of a few days, they finished off the Twenty Year War. Yes, it’s good news: the long Afghan War is officially over and done with. It began in 2001 with the US invasion; it was over last Sunday, August 15, when the US protégé, the former President of Afghanistan, Ashraf Ghani, departed for the UAE with his four carloads of cash.

The Angel of History abided by the triple unity rules of classic drama: unity of action, unity of place and unity of time. In one day, power passed into the hands of the rebels – in Kandahar, and in Mazar-i-Sharif, and, finally, in Kabul. The apocalyptic expectations of the upcoming “battle for Kabul” didn’t materialise – the new government entered the presidential palace practically without a shot fired.

The most remarkable snapshot of this historic turn came on Monday. These weren’t fighters with bazookas or mujahedeen in the palace. These were Kabul girls going to school in the morning. In white kerchiefs, with backpacks, they, as usual, went to school.

Two days later, there was an even more remarkable video of a few female activists taking to the street to demonstrate with placards in front of the presidential palace. This is probably the clearest proof of their belief that they will not be interfered with. And indeed nobody bothered these ladies despite the plain silliness of their slogans in the midst of the momentous upheaval.

The topic of female discrimination in Afghanistan was inflated by feminists on the service of the US State Department, when it was necessary to justify the aggression and seizure of this independent country. It is unlikely that the status of a woman in Afghanistan differed greatly from that of a woman in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia – but nobody is in a hurry to land troops there. The alleged mistreatment of women and gays is often used by British and American hawks to justify “humanitarian interventions” and should be taken with a grain of salt. And the invasive Western LGBT discourse does not seem normal – not only for Afghans. Men love women, don’t believe lying butches, sister!

Sex ethics could be weird, in Afghanistan as well as in England. The Talibs ask ladies to cover their hair, just like Orthodox Jews and to behave modestly. The West hatched the absurdity of mutually non-consensual sex; 28 per cent of young women come to believe that winking ‘usually or always’ constitutes sexual harassment (read about it here); it beats Taliban anytime. Some of Taliban’s ideas are indeed odd; but not as odd as the scourging of Prince Andrew on a word of an aged trollop in the UK/US.

Life in Afghanistan will still improve for women and men, and it will be better than under the puppet regime, Afghans hope. It is Take Two for the Taliban, and both times they came to power practically without encountering resistance, a clear sign of popular support.

The Taliban came into being in early 1990s, after the pro-Soviet government of Najibullah (many Afghans now say that he was the best ruler of the country in the 20th century) had been overthrown by the CIA-sponsored mujahedeen. At the time, lawlessness reigned in the country. Each warlord considered himself a king. Against this background, the Taliban emerged as a grassroots movement for honesty, law and order, against the lawlessness of the warlords. They managed to win in 1996, without bloodshed, triumphantly entering Kabul. They stopped drug production and trade and practically eliminated the scourge. This was their undoing. The CIA wouldn’t allow meddling with drug supplies, for they wanted to keep the Americans in a narcotic-induced dream.

Afghanistan was placed under creeping sanctions; the poor country was even more impoverished; the northern tribes rebelled, and then the American invasion overthrew the Taliban so it would return to power 20 years later. During this time, Afghanistan has changed; Kabul has grown to become a city with four million inhabitants. But there still was no order; warlords and large drug producers still ruled freely, robbing villagers at will.

The original support base of the Taliban were the village Pashtuns, who generally wanted very little from the state: they wanted order, functioning customary law, or Islamic law, no interference with their private lives, and preferably no taxation at all. (Here is an excellent background piece by Anatol Lieven) Now as the big cities come under Taliban rule, they will have to show more flexibility. In cities with a population of over one million, customary law does not always work. But the Taliban also learned a lot. It is hoped that they will be able to find a compromise between the village and the city, bearing in mind the fact that the weapons are in the hands of the villagers.

ORDER IT NOW

This confrontation of city and village reminds us of Mao’s revolution and of the Khmer Rouge takeover in Cambodia. But the world is different today. The Western way of life is hardly attractive now; the progress entered an impasse of gender madness, corona lockdowns, critical race theory and digital totalitarianism. Even the great crime of Taliban pre-2001, the destruction of ancient monuments, has been repeated by the US and British progressives from Atlanta to London. Perhaps the Afghans will be able to figure out how to proceed. Every nation is a great architect of its future. And over the past 200 years of constant incursions, Afghans have had little chance of figuring out what they really need.

An important new factor is a powerful China, which needs Afghan transit. The British and Americans did not need to transit through Afghanistan; they dominate the sea. But in the old days, before the European arrival, caravan routes went through Afghanistan. Maybe traffic flows will start again, Iran’s oil will flow to China, trade with the north through former Soviet Central Asia will resume, and a corridor to India will be open. Russian geological prospecting has discovered huge reserves of rare earth elements in the mountains of Afghanistan, and their development could re-link Russia and China with Afghanistan.

3

In Kabul, the people awaited the Taliban entry with great trepidation. However, the Taliban didn’t interfere with the evacuation; when President Biden asked for their permission, they immediately gave the go-ahead. But in general, there was no need to rush the planes.

The Russian Foreign Ministry announced they reached an agreement with the Taliban that Russian civilian airlines will fly out everybody who has a place to go to. Alas, there is no place on earth that would like to accept so many Afghan refugees. People should stay home and make peace with their countrymen; if they have committed crimes, they should pay for these crimes. However, the Taliban issued a general amnesty, and hopefully they will stick to this humane and merciful course.

In Kabul itself, as in other cities, the first days of the new government passed calmly. The Taliban replaced soldiers at their embassy posts and promised that not a single hair would fall from the heads of diplomats. At the Russian embassy, ​​diplomats said that it is even safer now than it was under the old regime.

The Taliban statements are also reassuring. They promised that there would be no revenge. Women can continue working without having to dress in a strict traditional style. Indeed, in the first few days of the new Afghanistan, these promises were kept.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believes that we need to wait and see how things will develop in Afghanistan, although his first impressions are favourable: “We are observing positive processes on the streets of Kabul, where the situation is quite calm and the Taliban are effectively enforcing law and order.” The Russian ambassador to the UN also expressed cautious optimism at the Security Council meeting. “You shouldn’t give in to panic. It is important that we managed to avoid mass bloodshed among the civilian population, ” he said. The Russian president’s special envoy for Afghanistan, Kabulov, also assessed the turn of events positively. “The Taliban have long seemed to me much more reliable than the puppet Kabul government,” he said.

The Taliban’s first steps in law making were encouraging, too. The Taliban have banned blood feuds, the long-standing scourge of Afghanistan. They say they will be guided by Sharia law – which may seem like a nightmare to our secular readers, but this is a much more merciful alternative to the Pashtunwali tribal law. Pashtunwali approves of blood feuds; according to Sharia, it is prohibited. Referring to Sharia law, the Taliban banned the distribution and use of drugs, which was the main occupation of Afghans under American occupation. They also banned the local custom of bacha bazi, the homosexual exploitation of boys. They banned witchcraft and interest-bearing loans, and even cancelled all debts, something we all can learn from. Let’s see what of this will be implemented and what will remain an empty promise.

A real and present danger would be any attempt of the Western forces to come back and meddle in Afghanistan. There are many warmongers; guys like John Bolton always want more war. Ahmad Massoud, a son of the Northern warlord has already asked for arms to keep fighting the Taliban. He had met with BHL (Bernard-Henri Lévy), the French-Jewish master of discourse who always comes before the storm.

That’s why President Putin, at his press-conference after meeting with Frau Merkel said, “It’s not in our interests right now to talk about US failure. We are interested in the situation in the country being stable.” Vladimir Putin has demanded that countries not interfere in Afghanistan after the liberation of Kabul, saying the West “must stop the irresponsible policy of imposing foreign values from abroad”. And that is probably a very good point.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. EMJ ON PRESSTV: THE AFGHAN CATASTROPHE


    • Agree: Wielgus
    • Replies: @AnoNymous
    , @Skeptikal
  2. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    The US supposedly went in to get Osama. Since he’s been officially dead for ten years now the goalposts have been continually moving. Lately it was Afghan women’s rights and whatnot. When US supported warlords overthrew Najibullah and took Kabul there was a great loss of life as they fell to fighting each other yet there wasn’t all this media anguish about it then. The US wanted a puppet state with a subservient government and army where it could place its military bases so as to threaten the region. Didn’t work out, blood is thicker than water.
    One sinister element in all this appears to be that the US was attempting to use this occupied captive country as a test tube experiment whereby they were working to engineer a cultural change within their society. The conquerer was trying to replace the existing values with its own set which it arrogantly felt the lesser people should embrace. It tried every propaganda trick, enlisted psychologists and anthropologists as advisors, paid out huge amounts of money to compliant hirelings, terrorized and bombed the others. It was a reign of bribery and intimidation. What it learned here could then be refined and used elsewhere much as color revolution techniques were developed and used. The Afghans were too obdurate, apparently.
    Whatever one thinks of the Taliban they certainly are brave, going against jets, bombs, missiles, drones, tanks and the much hyped American special forces with hardly anything at all but guts and willpower.

  3. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Now there is a fighting chance that Biden will command and take the US troops from Iraq and Syria

    You very well know no USA president can’t think of doing that, and you very well know why.

  4. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    The U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan is merely the first major move in the opening game for U.S. to attack Iran. U.S. military bases in Afghanistan were within striking distance of Iranian Shahab-3’s— esp. U.S. bases/FOBs in Western Afghanistan Helmand and Herat, e.g., Kandahar Air Base, Shindand Air Base, Camp Dwyer, etc. Any full-out attack couldn’t be undertaken with U.S. military so vulnerable.

    [MORE]

    13 August 2021

    The Times of Israel

    Bennett seeking joint US-Israel strategy on Iran if nuclear talks fail — report

    …Channel 12 news reported on Tuesday that during a meeting with Mossad chief David Barnea, [CIA chief William] Burns was presented with information intended to show Iran’s new President Ebrahim Raisi as mentally disturbed, untrustworthy and incapable of negotiating a new nuclear deal or sticking to his commitments.

    According to the network, Barnea gave Burns a dossier on Raisi that portrayed him as exceptionally extreme, cruel, corrupt and unstable. “The Mossad described him as someone with mental disturbances,” the channel claimed in the unsourced report.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-seeking-joint-us-israel-strategy-on-iran-if-nuclear-talks-fail-report/

    AUGUST 5, 2021

    Jerusalem Post

    Gantz: Iran is 10 weeks from breakout to a nuclear weapon

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-to-unsc-halt-irans-brazen-ship-attacks-675793

    August 10, 2021

    Cyber Security Intelligence

    AI Reveals Iran’s Nuclear Weapons Factory

    https://www.cybersecurityintelligence.com/blog/ai-reveals-irans-nuclear-weapons-factory-5795.html

    August 5, 2021

    Fox News

    Iran nuclear concerns: Israel warns Tehran is only ‘10 weeks away’ from acquiring weapons-grade materials

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-nuclear-concerns-israel-issues-weapons-warning

  5. nickels says:

    Here’s to a death blow and a fatal strike in the heart of the satanic sodomite American empire.
    Now bleed red gallons of blood and teeter awaiting the final blows from a million swords poised for the kill.
    We always knew the elites would stumble and we always promised that when they did they would never get up again.
    Be ready patriots.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  6. Now there is a fighting chance that Biden will command and take the US troops from Iraq and Syria;

    Biden has been sending more troops to Syria. He probably withdrew from Afghanistan to shift resources for the next war in Syria.

    I agree that it was great we got out, but we’re not out yet. There are 5000 American troops in Kabul and the same fools are in charge. If they provoke the Taliban, they will close the airstrip with mortar and gunfire. Then its a bloody battle of the Alamo. Here’s a short video of the bumbling Biden team.

    • Disagree: Sarah
    • Thanks: Annony Mouse
    • Replies: @Avery
  7. Another heartening essay, Mr. Shamir! My compliments, as usual.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  8. Anon[966] • Disclaimer says:

    What is in the water these days that has certain right-leaning writers and journalists thinking that they are “bros” with the Taliban? I thought writers and journalists with any sense would understand that they are on the Taliban’s list, possibly behind the collaborationists but almost certainly ahead of those pesky wimmin and queers. What part of “no free expression allowed” are you unclear on? This article is as delusional as it gets, laughably so, and yes, I’ve read the stuff that little prick Anglin has been puking up on the subject. The stuff about them being your coreligionists is particularly insane. Do you really think you have a fraternal bond with these people that would last longer than your meeting and their diagnosis of “infidel?”

    Seriously, Mr. Shamir, what is wrong with you that you either don’t understand the obvious or don’t mind insulting our intelligence by lying about it? The return of the Taliban is not a sign of progress in the war against “wokeness” and other rightist bugaboos, but it is a sign of the collapse of secular society there and it’s replacement by a regime that you would not want to live in. But you’re certainly welcome to go there and bow-woof-woof (as Fred R. might put it) with your new best friends. Just don’t forget to post the video (hilarious, I’ll bet. Boot parties usually are).

  9. @Anonymous

    The U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan is merely the first major move in the opening game for U.S. to attack Iran.

    It’s a better theory than the achingly credulous “Hey, President Depends got one right” delirium, which assumes that that satanic blown mind had a thing to do with it, whatever the reason.

    If the state allowed it, it bodes poorly for the sane and peaceful. Figuring which country suffers most from the strategy is for a sports book to handle, but you might make out putting money on Iran (and then the former US).

    • Agree: Liosnagcat
    • Disagree: Sarah
    • Replies: @Liosnagcat
  10. Great article, Shamir. Thanks!

  11. When the Nazis left France, many collaborators went to jail, some were lynched by the French patriots. But it does not mean it would be better to keep France occupied.

    You need to bone up on your post WWII history. There was great slaughter of the French by Jewish Bolsheviks with the withdrawal of Nazi troops.

  12. Biff says:

    That’s why President Putin, at his press-conference after meeting with Frau Merkel said, “It’s not in our interests right now to talk about US failure. We are interested in the situation in the country being stable.” Vladimir Putin has demanded that countries not interfere in Afghanistan after the liberation of Kabul, saying the West “must stop the irresponsible policy of imposing foreign values from abroad”. And that is probably a very good point.

    Clearly Putin is the best statesman on the planet and leader of the free world.

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @moi
  13. Avery says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “In memory of those sacrificed

    Well said.

    Not the usual bromides “….they gave their lives so we can be free here……” and other similar nonsense. They were sacrificed for foreign interests, Globalists, the top 1%, multinational corporations……

    • Agree: Sarah
  14. frankie p says:

    Still waiting for the rise of the Deplorable American Taliban.

    • LOL: Biff
    • Replies: @Gorgeous George
  15. Ed Case says:

    Consider Auschwitz, definitely a harsh place. When the Germans had to leave, hundreds of Jews followed them westward (Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust writer, was among them). They were afraid of the Red Army coming to liberate them and preferred the Germans they knew.

    The other version is that the Germans in command at Auschwitz weren’t prepared to allow persons in their custody a choice of joining the Red Army.
    That version sounds more realistic to me.

    [MORE]

    When the Nazis left France, many collaborators went to jail, some were lynched by the French patriots. But it does not mean it would be better to keep France occupied.

    The alternate version is that the surviving losers from the Spanish Civil War found refuge in France.
    Once the regime there fell, they indulged in an orgy of bloodletting for fun and profit.
    Historians later turned them into “french patriots”.

  16. billb says:

    Bret Stephens’ comments on destabilizing Pakistan are chilling. I read them as a threat.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  17. E_Perez says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    .. some were lynched by the French patriots. But it does not mean it would be better to keep France occupied.

    Oh, no, better lynched than occupied!
    More French lynched by “French patriots” than dying during the German “occupation”, the latter caused by the French declaration of war.

    It is said according to official sources at the time that 100.000 French people were summarily executed during La Liberation.

    L’AGE DE CAÏN
    Premier témoignage sur les dessous
    De la libération à Paris.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  18. Miro23 says:
    @Waitemata

    Thanks.

    From the article:

    In the end, his diagnosis is that the Afghanistan government the US supported can’t be said to have “collapsed” because it never existed.

    “The Afghan army wasn’t real. The Afghan Civil Authority was never real. They never collected taxes. There were no courts outside of police robbing people. None of it ever existed… it was just a big jobs program funded by American money, and the moment it looked like the money would go away, everyone went home.”

  19. Let me never end up so old, bitter and deluded that I experience such a moment like the Taliban coming to power as “sheer joy.”

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @MLK
  20. Good article, I liked reading it. However, I feel like this is one of the two larger narratives being presented on the surface, this being the “good” one versus the feminist/women’s rights/homosexual agenda “bad” one. Each has several variations and such. The reality, though, is that Afghanistan was/is about Opium (Heroin), pipelines, and minerals. All the propaganda and psych. warfare being waged on the world population, and presented differently for different demographics and regions and nations, is going towards those aforementioned things.

  21. Larry says:

    You have lost the plot, Shamir.

  22. @Anon

    Better the Taliban than Pelosi, I am sure you would agree.

  23. abd says:
    @Anon

    ah the sheeple speaks

  24. @Anon

    They’re Afghans and if the Taliban are good enough for them why should anyone else complain? Why should someone who thinks they’re good for Afghans want to go and live under them or want them and their ideas to rule anywhere else? The West has a universalist ideology and believes that everyone should live under it as it is the best for everybody. The Taliban disagree. But the Taliban, as all Muslims, are also universalists and think their religion is the best and that everyone in the world should enjoy its benefits. As a sovereignist I’m opposed to all these universalists, each to his own. Still, the Taliban are on the right side of history.

    • Agree: Malla
  25. Dumbo says:

    There is a curious new fandom of the Taliban among right-wingers, which, while in my opinion misguided, is understandable.

    I think Western traditionalists and nationalists have been thoroughly defeated. Even their short “populist” revolt has been crushed and now they are fully under the control of a cabal of globalist bureaucrats, women, Jews, trannies, Big Pharma and “medical experts” forcing masks and lockdowns. So any form of government that appears to be able to simply reject such tenets is cheered on.

    I think, in regards to the Taliban, this is mere projection. First, it’s not clear if they are, like ISIS and “Bin Laden”, a mere creation of other forces, or if they are genuine. But even if they are genuine, it’s not really a society that can serve as model for us.

    The only thing they teach us, I think, is the importance of keeping your values and being patient. The invaders couldn’t change the Taliban. Nation building there is worse than making castles in the sand. The Taliban had time on their side. They just kept at it, waiting for 20 years for their time to come.

    The problem of Whites / Europeans is that we DO NOT have time on our hands. In 20 years, browns will take over. They are already a majority in America. Then, what?

    • Replies: @lospopularos
    , @Ray Caruso
  26. Tom Welsh says:

    Michael Hudson will be pleased to see that the Taliban plan to cancel all debts. He has clearly shown that this is the way to give individuals and society a huge boost and enable a fresh start.

    The so-called “German Economic Miracle” after 1945 was due, as much as anything, to the cancellation of all debts denominated in the old Nazi Reichsmarks. Everything could start unencumbered by old debts. And the creditors, who are normally powerful enough to prevent any idea of debt cancellation, were mostly dead or fled.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  27. Tom Welsh says:
    @Biff

    Two politicians as utterly dissimilar as Edmund Burke and Maximilien Robespierre agreed about at least one important principle.

    “The most extravagant idea that can be born in the head of a political thinker is to believe that it suffices for people to enter, weapons in hand, among a foreign people and expect to have one’s laws and constitution embraced. It is in the nature of things that the progress of Reason is slow and no one loves armed missionaries; the first lesson of nature and prudence is to repulse them as enemies.
    One can encourage freedom, never create it by an invading force”.
    – Maximilien Robespierre (1791)

    Even British politicians have occasionally grasped it.

    “The White House and Downing Street were suffused with the naïve view that the introduction of parliamentary democracy would solve all Iraq’s problems. But you can’t introduce democracy like a fast-growing shrub. It takes generations to embed”.
    – Sir Christopher Meyer (Daily Mail 19th June 2014) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2658093/No-Mr-Blair-Your-naive-war-WAS-trigger-savage-violence-writes-CHRISTOPHER-MEYER-Ambassador-US-Iraq-War.html)

    • Thanks: Biff
  28. Tom Welsh says:
    @Anon

    Well, maybe it’s high time real Americans thought about how to fix that problem.

    Or is it beyond their abilities to set themselves free?

  29. anon[514] • Disclaimer says:

    No longer do Afghan women have to fear:

    Nighttime Death Squads of US Special Forces
    Being Rounded up and Tortured
    Being Droned
    Being Machine gunned from roving Gunships
    Being Gangpressed into harvesting Opium

    • Thanks: Sarah
  30. Andreas says:
    @anonymous

    One sinister element in all this appears to be that the US was attempting to use this occupied captive country as a test tube experiment whereby they were working to engineer a cultural change within their society.

    This is a point that is not getting enough attention. It cannot be overlooked that Afghanistan was a 20 year presence. That is enough time to be born, grow up and have children of your own.

    If Western values had any organic or intrinsic appeal to the Afghani people, then 20 years would have been enough time for these values to take root in some unmistakable manner. But after the spectacular light-speed collapse of the Afghan puppet regime, it appears that seedlings never even sprouted.

    But whether Afghanistan was an actual experiment or just data to be analyzed in retrospect, the outcome was the same, an incontrovertible rebuke of the cynical and materialistic fake values of Zio-Corporatism. That’s great news for the people and very bad news for the elites.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride, One-off
    • Disagree: Tono Bungay
    • Replies: @One-off
  31. @Craig Nelsen

    There was great slaughter of the French by Jewish Bolsheviks with the withdrawal of Nazi troops.

    Meh. It was a little over 100k. Heck, the COVID vaxxes have killed almost as many in the last nine months.

  32. What is annoying is how the US MSM is using the “unknown number” of Americans still “trapped” in Afghanistan to get US troops back in there. It doesn’t help when the Administration announces that their going to the airport is at their own risk. I doubt the Taliban want any Americans in country at this point, and if the US hadn’t cut off their access to cash, the Taliban might have paid for the Übers deliver America’s camp followers to the airport.

    What is particularly galling is that when told they would have to pay a \$2k repatriation fee, the camp followers still in Afghanistan pissed and moaned about the unfairness of it all. Why were they there in the first place? Oh yeah, to profit from the venture, but don’t let us dare to ask for any of their ill gotten booty to help them bring it on home.

    • Replies: @George True
  33. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    Well said. This article is revolting. This shamir guy has zero credibility after making fun of the women protesting (at great risk) and writing this nonsense–“The topic of female discrimination in Afghanistan was inflated by feminists on the service of the US State Department…” Would this shamir guy trade place with ANY woman in Afghanistan?

  34. Sarah says:

    Thank you very much for this article that sets the record straight and does not hesitate to put things right in the face of the MSM critics. I really liked these excerpts:

    And it is a win-win thing: I, for one, do not think that America was defeated or that President Biden made a mistake. Far from it. Ending the occupation of a foreign land is a noble act. It was a real victory for Biden, victory over the Deep State

    The world would be better without US troops in Korea; North and South would unite, and money spent there could pay for Americans’ education and health.

    True. Korea should stop paying for its own occupation by American troops.

  35. Sarah says:

    Biden was right to order the US to leave Afghanistan. He demonstrated much stamina in going against pleadings of his army, his intelligence services and the whole of the Deep State. I must admit that I have today much more respect for President Biden than I had before the withdrawal. I respect him even more for his excellent response to the British poodle.

    Right.

    British statesmen complained about Biden’s decision to withdraw “after so much blood was shed there”.

    What a stupid argument on their part; shedding more blood will not bring back the blood already shed!

  36. Sarah says:

    It is good that Biden is not an easy guy to play; not as easy as Wilson and Roosevelt were.

    Let us hope that Biden continues on this good path of reason and wisdom.

    Now there is a fighting chance that Biden will command and take the US troops from Iraq and Syria; and with some luck, from other countries, from Korea and the Philippines

    This would be the path of reason and wisdom; let’s hope he does it before the Deep Sate, Neocons, warmongers and warprofiteers take over again.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  37. J says: • Website

    The grapes were green, said the fox (Aesopus). Losing wars never did any good to the losers. When decadent Rome was sacked by virile barbarian Vandals, it too became barbarian and poor and weak.

  38. @frankie p

    It won’t happen.

    People that afraid of being seen a certain way cannot win.

    There are no leaders for it, Trump dropped the ball and the mass is without a consensus. It depends on social media way too much and is easily picked off.

    A huge disadvantage for the deplorables is no clear enemy. Is it the dems, the fake conservatives, the blacks, the gays, the government, the police that enforces the rules, the bureaucracy? For the Taliban it was the occupiers and the puppet regime, clear enemy and clear goals.

    Also most of the deplorables at some point supported these wars, idolize the mercenary soldiers of foreign aggression, so the deplorables cannot learn from the Taliban as they see them as beneath. Way to oblivious to the world at large they keep getting screwed and complain endlessly without any coherence.

    One could create an good, but necessarily complex, path of how they could organize. One could give them all that exact plan, how to execute it step by step and what would happen? Nothing, 95% would not understand it and of the rest 99% would nod their head and ignore due to everything else having primacy and the remainder is too small because the plan would need mass action (not war but political organizing and moving).

    The best realistic course of action therefore is not doing anything and hope the place will fall apart enough for the stigma to not be an issue and then natural inclination will take over. This is at best 80 years out and by that time the percentage of the population that wont be woke will be in traces only.

    So no chance of liberating America.

    • Replies: @Ninemil
    , @Ninemil
  39. Avery says:

    {Biden was right to order the US to leave Afghanistan. He demonstrated much stamina in going against pleadings of his army, his intelligence services and the whole of the Deep State.} [Shamir]

    It is hard to believe that Biden, who is basically mentally disconnected from world events and clueless about Afghanistan had anything to do with the decision. It’s all very strange.

    Poster [Carlton Meyer] Post #6 has an excellent video showing how Biden is clueless about Afghanistan. Tucker Carlson also has a vid, pointing out that some strange things are going on vis-a-vis Biden and his Puppet Masters. Very strange.

    [Tucker: You don’t see this everyday, in fact you never see it]

    It has been argued that the Puppet Masters are exiting Afghanistan in order to re-deploy US troops to Syria or attack Iran. None of that adds up. Really, really strange. If the Deep State could defy (lucid, strong willed) Trump’s wish to exit Afghanistan, how is it that they could not defy and derail confused, mentally struggling Biden?

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  40. @Tom Welsh

    The Taliban and all Muslim and other third world countries should also abolish prisons and send all their criminals westward. If they fill up the squares and start chopping off hands, heads and feet and whipping and caning and stoning their criminals then the West whines and complains about their administration of justice. And when they imprison the criminals, like Assad and Castro did, they then complain about torture and the mistreatment of prisoners. So the West can have all the world’s thieves, murderers, swindlers, rapists and pedophiles and the rest of the world can abolish prisons and aim to be free of criminals. What you do with their criminals is your business.

  41. Malla says:

    The Taliban’s first steps in law making were encouraging, too. The Taliban have banned blood feuds, the long-standing scourge of Afghanistan.

    What is interesting is that in the great Hindu epic Mahabharata (literally translated to “Great India”) which was basically a war in between two ancient North Indian kingdoms/ clans, one the Pandavas and the other being the Kauravas, Afghanistan is cursed to suffer constant warfare and tribal feuds. The epic is supposed to be extremely old, ancient but according to the famous Finnish Indologist scholar Asko Parpola, the story was originally based on the historical warfare in between two Indo-Scythian kingdoms/clans in North India.
    Well in the epic, there is a queen from Afghanistan called Gandhari (Gandhari from Gandhar or today’s Kandahar in Afghanistan) who marries an Indian King who is blind. To share her husband’s disability she ties a piece of cloth on her eyes and thus becomes “blind”, and she remains blind for years. She was a great devotee of Lord Shiva. This Queen Gandhari is the mother of all the Kaurava clan brothers. And these Kauravas are killed in battle with the Pandavas at Kurukshetra battlefield in the epic Mahabharata. Since Lord Krishna (avatar of Hindu God Vishnu) was on the side of the Pandavas (enemies of Queen Gandhari of Kandahar’s sons) and was responsible for the death of all her sons, Gandhari had cursed the Lord Krishna himself that his human clan would become extinct. Gandhari because of her devotion to Lord Shiva and her years of hardship of being “blind” had accumulated spiritual powers. And as cursed, Great Lord Krishna’s entire clan became extinct with no progeny. One more person and nation she cursed was her own brother Shakuni, King of Afghanistan because it was King Shakuni who had caused the whole warfare and strife in between the Indian clans via his cunning. A mother angry and bitter for the death of all her sons, she cursed that his Kingdom of Gandhar (Afghanistan) would forever suffer wars and feudal strife till the end of time. Interesting if you think about it.

    Here is a enactment of a part of the Mahabharata in an Indian serial.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9adiZQ04gc

    At 7:03 minutes we see Princess Gandhari tying a piece of cloth over her eyes to go “blind” in order to marry the blind Indian King Dhitrastra. The guy at 7:21 minutes who gets up and nods in disapproval is King Shakuni of Afghanistan (Gandahar) whose nation would be cursed later.

  42. gotmituns says:
    @Anon

    Sir, women in the Muslim world/culture don’t have the same “rights” as women do in the west, but that doesn’t equate to their being oppressed. Women in the Muslim world are protected by Sharia law as they are not in the west. The rights of women in the west are only an illusion that lead to their being unprotected victims of males. This doesn’t happen in the Muslim world.

  43. Tjoe says:

    Every failure of Joe Biden for the American people has a family or associate reaping windfall \$\$\$\$.

    Joe failed to curb corruption in Ukraine and drunk son got windfall from Burisma. Joe was sent to negotiate with China, failed and his drunk son and Archer got \$1.5 billion deal to buy American tech companies, send the technology (and jobs) to China and then scrap the company.

  44. Excellent piece, Israel. Hopefully, a lot of your hopeful predictions will come to be. I will keep my fingers crossed!

  45. @Anon

    I lived for years amongst Palestinians; many of them were Hamas supporters; and I never had a worry from them. I think you take these horrible tales too seriously.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  46. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    I cheered when Kabul fell. Fuck the United States.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  47. If they don’t put women back in their box Afghanistan will be in ruins within 20 years as every Western society is. All the Western madness stems from handing unearned power to women. We in the West have to stop allowing those who contribute the least to vote themselves the largest slice of the cake.

    • Agree: Naughtius Maximus
    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @Dumbo
  48. @Craig Nelsen

    Sure! Pure blood Gauls would never kill a collaborator! They would need a Jewish Bolshevik to do the job!

  49. @Ed Case

    We have a written evidence of Wiesel – he says they left with the Germans on their own volition. And about the Spaniards – it sounds like an attempt to find somebody to blame. My French friends, including Prof Faurisson who was pro-Vichy, never accused Spaniards for the French could do the same all right.

  50. @Avery

    Trump was strong-willed, I agree, but he was inept at carrying and following his orders. He would order something and think it will be done by itself. Biden knew how to make people dance))

  51. Now murderous barbarians can go back to killing one another over which figment of their imagination is the correct one, without foreign barbarians who worship only power and money interfering with their fun.

    • Replies: @Niebelheim
  52. @Anon

    I wouldn’t trade place with ANY woman in the US, either))

  53. Wielgus says:
    @Ed Case

    Concentration camp prisoners who could still walk and understood Russian tended to be conscripted into the Red Army. If they understood Polish, it was to the Polish People’s Army.

  54. gotmituns says:
    @Anon

    Fuck the United States.
    —————————————————————
    Sir, I’m an American and take offense at what you said. This is not representative of our people. We are good people and even though our lousy jew led government got us into this cruddy mess, it is not our doing. We will deal with these jews eventually and I hope in the future when jew controlled Washington DC falls to the real American people, you will say you love the USA.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  55. HT says:

    If only white conservatives cared as much about the safety and well being of their own race as they do Afghans and Jews.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
  56. AnoNymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    This is what it is.
    These white skin, green eye Taliban are descendants of the army of Alexander The Great.
    They have Hellenic blood in their veins.

  57. BorisMay says:

    More Jewish politically correct posturing. This writer is another boring man who thinks National Socialists were actually called ‘Nazis’ and that Auchwitz was a concentration camp built to murder Jews rather than the work camp that it actually was.

    Please Mr Unz, please may we have less of this anti-white Jewish bias. I know you are a Jew too but I thought the whole point of your website was to not allow politically correct Jews like this writer to attack the very people they parasite of.

  58. gotmituns says:
    @Proximaking

    those who contribute the least to vote themselves the largest slice of the cake.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Sir, women don’t contribute the “least”. Their contribution is not that of a man. They deserve men’s protection. It’s not their fault the Lord created them as a link between children and adults/men. They just are not able to understand the workings of the world they inhabit/natural law and are being used by unscrupulous jews to destroy the west, but women shouldn’t be condemned for their shortcomings. That is what the Lord intended for them.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @Kali
  59. Dumbo says:
    @Proximaking

    Afghanistan will be in ruins within 20 years

    Well, it’s not as if it’s not in ruins right now… Or hasn’t been for the last 50-60 years or so… (I think it was a slightly bit better in the 1960s, before all the wars and the growth of wahabi Islamism)

    All the Western madness stems from handing unearned power to women.

    The whole thing about “power to women” is a sham. It just happens because/when men allow it. Even in the West.

    If women were really “fighting for their rights” and had the strength and will to do so, there is no reason why they wouldn’t be able to triumph in Afghanistan too.

    But they don’t, for two reasons: a) the men there don’t allow it or don’t want it and b) the women are more or less happy with their lot in life as it is. (also perhaps c) not many Jews in Afghanistan)

    Truth is, feminism brings a lot of unhappiness to women.

    I knew a loud-mouthed feminist who ended up marrying a Taliban-type guy somewhere, moved to Saudi Arabia, changed her slut clothes to a burka and learned to keep her mouth shut.

    Was she happier? Who knows. Perhaps yes, perhaps not. But at least, she had clear rules to follow. Some people need just that.

    Train-wreck Sinéad O’Connor also converted to Islam and has shut up since.

    In Latin America, many former sluts are converting to Evangelical churches that teach women to be submissive.

    Perhaps women really resent freedom, and prefer strong men slapping them around.

    Or perhaps, they really just don’t know what they want. And having clear rules and religion help them with that.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  60. MLK says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Yeah, I always thought Shamir had a screw loose but I didn’t expect him to be loud and proud about it.

    I’ve found some of the writers on Unz invaluable, frequently for what they assiduously avoid even mentioning, even though they’re quite knowledgeable on the subject.

    In the instant case, it’s Biden as Yeltsin after “reelection 1996-99.

    Also, be wary when you’re fed some iteration of “Everyone agrees!” After all, a “Saigon Moment,” and what followed offers something for everyone.

    No doubt the Neocon filth already have the narrative work done and ready to rollout under the rubric of the pause that refreshes American empire once again.

    Everyone involved gets a freebie on the Taliban’s consolidation, even craven Shamir is squeaking that he hopes for the best but prepared (to blame the US) for the worst.

    I won’t rehearse the details because no one’s listening anyway, but last weekend’s events strike me as altogether too cute and therefore by design. It looks like a scaled up reprise of Benghazi for the intentional purpose of humiliating the American Project and the American people.

    There are a lot of people who know better, including this author, playing dumb at the moment. Besides Doha beginning in 2018, which everyone ignored if they didn’t try to derail it, Trump singlehandedly, beginning when he took the oath, moved the American people to ending that war and our occupation. While the Fake News and their Fake Polls said otherwise, he turned it into another 80/20 in favor of his position.

    Exercise some common sense, given that anyone who is anybody, foreign and domestic, was committed to “Trump Must Go!,” why did they stop him from executing his withdrawal plan before the 2020 election, let alone leaving office after his first term? Bonus question: Why in the world did Trump want to do so if this humiliating debacle was baked in the cake?

    We can debate whether the ongoing Obama 3.0 national humiliation is the principal objective in this moment, though I suspect the “Saigon Moment” is designed as a distraction from the internal factional war raging in the US and USG in the immediate.

    In this round the clear message to anyone who knows how to fog a mirror is that no one is effectively in charge. Believe me, that won’t hold and the next stage, a struggle, eventually kinetic. over who is driving the bus, is coming.

    I used to think that there was no way in the world Trump could be returned to where he belongs, siting in the Oval Office as the duly elected POTUS in 2020. But the American people — 80/20 — have moved and Heels Up Harris is no solution. The Fake News is so Fake, and insult to your intelligence lame and discredited, if they start their shout day selling the 2020 election equivalent of “Oceania has always been at war with Eurasian,” everyone will breathe a sign of relief and we’ll get back to business as a great constitutional republic.

    Otherwise, the situation worsens Unstoppable Force Meeting The Immoveable Object-style because the Democrats (and their RINO and Neocon filth allies) aren’t governing as if they think they have to actually win elections in 2022 and 2024.

    • Replies: @MLK
    , @nickels
  61. They stopped drug production and trade and practically eliminated the scourge.

    This they did, actually, rather late, circa 2000, but they did it very effectively. It was not because if this that the CIA turned against the Taliban. That had happened in 1997 and was because of pipelines.

    When the Taliban took Kabul in 1996 the Imperialist States said that they were “another conservative Muslim regime we can make deals with”, and the Imperialist States was the only country to not condemn the murders of Dr Najibullah and his brother. Taliban negotiators were secretly flown to Amerikastan, given tours of Disneyland and Mt Rushmore (yes, there are videos of this, for instance here: https://www.facebook.com/100000332961892/posts/4476188755735512/?sfnsn=wiwspwa ) in an obvious attempt to bribe them into making said deals with the Imperialist States. Ahmed Rashid in Taliban lavishes an entire section of his book on this period, called Romancing the Americans. Primarily this deal making effort was about pipelines through Afghanistan from the Central Asian stans to the Arabian Sea via Pakistan, and Clinton regime corporation UNOCAL was to be given it.

    All this was while Osama bin Laden was in Afghanistan and the Taliban were treating women, shall we say, worse than they’re treating them now, but Amerikastan was not the slightest bit bothered.

    Then in 1997, Mullah Omar, who had not given in to the blandishments and hadn’t gone gallivanting around the beaches of Florida or wherever, decided that BRIDAS of Argentina were offering much better terms than UNOCAL, and signed with them. Almost overnight, Killary Clinton became exercised about the plight of Afghan women, Amerikastan began talking about Osama bin Laden – but at least once during this period refused to snatch or eliminate him though the Taliban had deliberately set him up for removal – and, as soon as the Taliban had been overthrown in 2001, stage managed the placement of its CIA stooge Hamid Karzai into the presidential palace in Kabul. There were at the time persistent rumours that Karzai was a UNOCAL employee (he was most certainly on the CIA’s payroll) but I have not been able to confirm this. It is certainly true that immediately the BRIDAS contract was torn up and UNOCAL given the pipeline after all. It is another thing altogether that the Taliban’s resistance meant the pipeline never got built in the end.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  62. This was an enjoyable article; I do appreciate the fact that Mr. Shamir is willing to take an alternative view of the world we live in.

    Somehow this video popped up in my recommended list on YouTube. Watch this and you will learn a great deal about the Afghan “army” that the US and Britain has trained over the past 20 years. Absolutely remarkable.

    Also, after 5 days of hysteria over the “10,000 -plus Americans that Joe Biden left behind” in Afghanistan, I have suddenly had an epiphany:

    These people aren’t Americans. They are Afghanis who happened to live in America, and went back to Afghanistan as contractors and interpreters, drawing “hazard pay” in a dangerous place. Now they want to come back to America and draw welfare pay for doing nothing.

    I hate to admit this, but I now realize that sleepy Joe stumbled into a good decision. Got the US out of Afghanistan.

    Nothing is as it seems.

  63. Dumbo says:

    Despite the occasional green eyes, Afghani women don’t age well.

    [MORE]

    1985:

    2002:

    2017:

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Johnny Johnny
  64. @Malla

    There is the alternate story that the precursors of the Kauravas had imprisoned Shakuni and his
    father and brothers, giving each of them one grain of rice a day. Knowing that they could not survive on this, they decided that Shakuni, as the cleverest of them, should have all the rice so he could survive and take vengeance. Shakuni therefore was the only one to not starve to death and after release planned his revenge by getting the Kauravas to start a suicidal war against the Panda’s, one that he knew would destroy them.

    • Replies: @Malla
  65. MLK says:
    @MLK

    Consider just one picture, the Trump rally in Alabama last night:

    Does MAGA look weak and demoralized by the ongoing debacle in Afghanistan?

    Did Trump hide like Obama and Bush? Last we saw Obama was dancing the night away with “Big Mike” looking like a 60 year old gay African. Bush released a statement that he’s too busy painting a picture of Obama’s birthday bash to comment.

    Per what I said in my previous comment, that picture was the result of Trump’s dogged efforts over more than four years. Trump freed MAGA, which is much more than Republicans and growing by the day, from the Hobson’s Choice of Neocon madness of either the Bush or Obama variety.

    • Replies: @lydia
    , @Truth
  66. Max Payne says:

    Now that’s funny. Saigon? These guys see it as Iwo Jima.

  67. @Anonymous

    There will be no attack on Iran. Amerikastan isn’t capable of it (unless you include nuclear war, that is).

    • Replies: @mike99588
  68. Truth says:
    @Anon

    You have understand this new trend of urban apartment-dwelling, quasi-journalists identifying with third-world strongmen they’d need to be dragged by the ankles to live around…

    Call it “right-wing woke.”

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Malla
  69. moi says:
    @Biff

    No, Xi Jinping is the best leader.

  70. Truth says:
    @Anon

    Hell; would he trade place with any MAN in New South Valhalla?

  71. Glad everyone is enjoying the withdraw spectacle. Just seems like there is more going on then what we are manipulated by the media to see.

  72. With the China FM meeting the Taliban a few days before the US “withdarawl” from its Heroinland (Mammon bless those Alpine, Caribbean and Desert tax havens) in the Hindu Kush, and the Russians flying the strategic bombers right next to Afghanistan in Tajik and Uzbek “drills,” just hours before the media circus began a week ago, this coordinated effort of the terrorist Ziocorporate globalists and their Chinese and Russian business partners to accomodate yet more CIA-backed Islamist ragheads, as if the GCC Ziowahhabi filth weren’t enough, should hardly be a joyous occasion for the common freethinking man.

    Putin’s bullshit works well for his dealings with his Zioterrorist friends: it is completely out of focus cause in reality, the Afghan chaos was quite controlled and never risked a spillover into neighbouring countries, not even much hated Iran, that hosts 3 million Afghan refugees; so managing narco/weapon trafficking and creating stable networks for global finance and banking to launder and hide all that money, plus all the stolen taxpayer, wouldn’t have been possible in any all-out civil or regional war scenario where one group would be destroying the other’s source of weapons and income.

    So we’re back to square 1, with the slight difference that Taliban now know all about the management of global narcotrafficking and weapons blacks markets in their terrirtory and Putin saying he wants to stabilise that. What joy for the global handlers of the invisible hand of the market.

  73. Dear Mr. Shamir:

    Enjoy the victory of your bearded caveman friends while its lasts (the Chinese can be counted on to have some strategy for dealing with them, and they are generally not squeamish), and cheer for their further success.

    Just one question: In case there were an Islamic takeover of your country, would you still take to your heels, or would you stay amidst the Muslim glory and brace yourself for seeing your wife, daughter, granddaughter, whatever, getting gang-raped in the street by some of your cavemen and then be executed by stoning for the adultery committed?

    You, sir, are either a moron or on some Muslim payroll.

  74. Schuetze says:
    @aandrews

    They are mocking the fake and staged Iwo Jima flag raising in two ways. The first by raising their Taliban flag over Kabul. The second while wearing expensive high tech military gear abandoned by the cowardly US military fleeing the battle field in a mad panic.

    Here is some more social media where the Taliban are mocking US obsession with high tech trinkets:

    • Replies: @aandrews
  75. @Anonymous

    As the Friendly Neighborhood Terrorist says, “unless you include nuclear war.” Perhaps this panic evacuation can be explained by the possibility that a lot of radiation may be drifting into Afghanistan soon. They may not reset the timers on their Samson Option nukes.

  76. I enjoyed your bold opening contrast between the rugged, viril Taliban foot soldiers and their increasingly affeminate, preachy, high-tech occupiers from our pussifyied empire. Whether you wish to make love or war, it is useful to know the difference between men and women. The fops of our now-captured embassy supposedly had flown their rainbow pride flag in that proud Islamic land, advertising how hopelessly confused we’ve become. Maybe the long slide of U.S. society really started with the ratification of the 19th Amendment.

    Good that you gave due prominance to RPGs used so effectively by Taliban riflemen. We had plenty of respect for the VC/NVA’s RPG 7, also known as the B-40, when I commanded a U.S. armored infantry company in Vietnam 1967/68. Now the clueless empire has again proved that Air Force bombs and expensive high-tech gadgets are no real substitute for tough, courageous infantrymen who prefer death to surrender.

    Good article, Shamir.

    • Thanks: The Original Rebel
  77. Maddaugh says:

    The US had to get out of Afghanistan but how they did this was flawed and resulted in this fiasco.

    Yes, the Taliban and their manhood. When you have nothing to lose, and a foreign power pushing you around it is an easy step from goat herding to fighter. The rural Afghani want to do as they please and not have ANY authority bossing them around and for that they were willing to die.

    Americans on the other hand, have to much to lose. They are not going to sacrifice their lifestyle and interests for a principle. How many want to sweat out 20 years of hardship in the bush for what they believe? Answer: none !

    The Powers that be know this. It seems to me there is always a trade off. The Afghans have little and are free, we have a lot and live in bondage.

    The reality of life in the US will hit Afghan refugees like a thunderbolt when this culture erodes and corrodes all they believe. Few will attain much more than a rudimentary existence and many will rue the simple life they had and gnash their teeth at the shackles US culture puts on them.

    I wish them all the best as they are herded into big city USA where instead of a view of mountains and valleys, their vista is that of a ghetto slum, where instead of being a small independent farmer they anxiously await the welfare cheque and where instead of their own home, humble as it was, they fall under the thumb of some landlord !

    Welcome to the land of the free and home of the brave !

    • Replies: @babu
  78. Mefobills says:
    @Truth

    Right Wing Woke. LoL.

    It is not left or right. It is right or wrong.

    Your “truth” seems to believe in the Jewish dialectic of Liberalism vs Conservatism (right wing), when they are two wings of the same bird (liberalism).

    Plenty of cuck-servatives, want to invade the world and invite the world, to then make sordid gain on cheap labor, or to restart the drug trade. The apartment dwelling quasi journalists are forced into not participating in the economy due to liberalism’s debt mechanics, which pushed housing prices into the stratosphere.

    Go back and watch the video Priss Factor posted, to get some truth:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-sheer-joy-of-afghanistan/#comment-4855874

    Shamir nailed it:

    being drip-fed by hypochondriac news of another elder succumbing to the dreadful virus, of green passports, of medical advice on how to live longer, of atoning for the misdeeds of our forefathers, of being of the wrong race and how to avoid microaggressions lest somebody will feel hurt. If we, men, would like to hurt somebody, we won’t stop at a joke, we’ll reach for an RPG.

    The truth is, we are led by clowns who have inverted the natural order, to enshrine Jewish feminism, liberalism, finance capital, and usury/mammonism at the top of the hierarchy.

    Elder’s being frightened of death themselves have no problem killing babies, or deforming children with psychological war, such as covid mask wearing.

    I don’t normally post religious links, but sometimes religion is used to contain man’s excesses, and history does repeat.

    https://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2019/11/leftism-not-just-wrong-but-evil-and-corrupt/

    What is evil? Let us set theological explanations aside for the moment and settle on a practical definition upon which most can agree: if cruelty means the willful disregard for human suffering, even taking pleasure in inflicting suffering on others, then evil is profound cruelty. It is a malevolence so dark and bottomless that ordinary people cannot fathom it. Psychologists may prefer less highly-charged terms to describe people who commit unconscionable acts, but evil is as evil does, and what leftism has done over and over again throughout history and around the world is provide a worldview which justifies perpetrating unimaginable horrors on untold numbers of victims.

    It remains to be seen if Taliban falls backward into their form of evil, but so far they have been opposing “western evil,” and may usher in a proper hierarchy. Women are under men, but not to be oppressed into sexual slavery.

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
  79. @The Alarmist

    As I understand it, the nature of the complaint was that thousands upon thousands of Afghan men (and few if any Afghan women or children) were being flown out free of charge, while Americans were being told they would be charged \$2000.00 apiece. Seemed a bit unfair, eh? In any case, upon reflection the State Department realized what a public relations disaster that was, and a few days later announced that Americans would not be charged.

    But keep in mind that all these Afghan men are, as we speak, being seeded all across these United States, and being given free housing, free health care, free utilities, free food, and free walking around money. And this free everything for them will continue month after month, and year after year, and the money to pay for it all is being taken from all of us collectively at gunpoint.

    And if the experience in Western Europe regarding male Afghan immigrants in recent years is any indication, the contribution that these culture enrichers will make to our society will be in the form of an increased crime rate, especially sexual assault.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  80. All right, once again,

    Afghan = the noun pertaining to people from Afghanistan, along with the geography, cities, etc.

    Afghani = the currency used in Afghanistan.

    You don’t call Amerikastanis “US dollars”. Don’t call Afghans “Afghanis”.

  81. Notsofast says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    now they are talking about bringing karzai back into the government, so don’t be surprised if unocal is back too. looks to me like a deal was done and the kabuki theater blitzkrieg was by design so they could hand the tailban the reins of power and billions of dollars weapons and equipment while feigning surprise at the outcome.

    • Replies: @lydia
  82. @Miro23

    Miro23, What you have written above makes me suspect that you know more about Afghanistan than most.
    I think if the Americans had been more savvy, they would have bribed or cajoled/pressured some mullahs to give more moderate fatwas. They then would have a real chance to change Afghan society. They didn’t try it, and as every one says 20 years is a whole generation.

    Another reason the Taliban has become more moderate is because the funding from S Arabia and UAE has dried up and so Whaabism is not favored by them.
    Hence the permission to shias to have their Moharrum.

  83. lydia says:
    @MLK

    I mostly agree with your first comment. USA Today said Trump was booed at this rally when he encouraged people to take vacine – experimental gene therapy – hard to find truth about this and everything else.

    • Replies: @By-tor
  84. Only one can be true:

    1) Eli Wiesel never set foot in a German work camp.

    2) Germans did not routinely tattoo prisoners.

  85. The large apartment complexes built all over Los Angeles and its suburbs were clearly planned for a “refugee” flow. Take South Gate for example: Built thousands of units on former industrial land near Alameda Street. You see the same thing everywhere.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  86. Malla says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Thanks, I was not aware of this. These epics can be quite tragic.

  87. @Naughtius Maximus

    Even according to the official accounts only inmates of Auschwitz-Birkenau were tattooed. Inmates of other concentration camps were given identity discs.

  88. aandrews says:
    @Schuetze

    I wonder if they’ve found the chlamydia infected RealDolls, yet, a little stay-behind gift. (Once you try a RealDoll, you’ll never go back to goat.)

  89. @Dumbo

    Women do not need to be submissive!!!!
    But women should realize that their primary task is to rule her family have children, and bring up new generation which is better from every point of view than present.

  90. Malla says:
    @Truth

    It is not about living in these unpleasant regimes. It is about leaving the rest of the World alone as much as possible. The USA has a lot of problems at home to solve, huge debt, homelessness, illegal immigration, crumbling infrastructure (while China builds away) etc…. What is the US to do about the Taliban? Fight for 20 more years? It does not make any sense. If the Afghans do not like the Taliban, they can rebel on their own.

    • Replies: @Truth
  91. @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    Dear Gaylord, I have lived for years among Muslims, in Palestine. My wife, mother and other female kin didn’t suffer; they weren’t raped or humiliated. Mind you, I think stoning for adultery is a reasonable punishment, more reasonable than 50% of our property. You must go and try living among Muslims; you’d find it quite comfortable.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
    , @Nancy
  92. Nothing says bad ass better than walking around with an RPG hung across your shoulders. Would anyone know of a local arms dealer with RPG inventory stock? I’m asking for a friend. Hehe
    Watching video and pictures from Afghanistan, I take it there are no gun laws or need for CC permit.
    GlobalHomo may have finally met their match. I can only Imagine there will be no gay pride parades, BLM marches, or defund the Taliban in the near future.

    CQ learning Pusthun:
    Maka laka haka laka shaka laka, derka derka Mohammad jihad.
    Translation;
    Where’s Team America when you need them?

  93. HbutnotG says:
    @anonymous

    I don’t think it’s the culture. It’s the poppy fields.
    The biggest money maker in the US today is drugs – big pharma and street. No other explanation for that old term “millionaire” morphing to “billionaire” now, talking trllionaire. (“Tech” “MIC,” my ass!)
    Columbia, btw, is more important than you think.
    Get a \$100 bill out of an ATM sometime and sniff it. Yes. Coke can make you happier than you’ve ever been!

    “War on drugs” is where the term “oxymoron” originated.

  94. nickels says:
    @MLK

    Trump is a riddle wrapped in an enema.
    If Americans are truly dumb enough to vote Trump back in they deserve what the get.
    Trump will come into his own as the corporate facist pig enabling big pharma to kill us all while tweeting about how bad they are and dragging us into more wars with Iran and generally chewing on Israeli hot dogs like he always has.
    Dumb dumb dumb.
    He needs to step aside so we can elect another Zog like DeSantis or Pompeo.

    America needs to collapse completely.
    There is no current policial solution.

  95. @Reverend Goody

    Niggaz in da hood call doz apartmints -da Projects. I remember places I grew up in, such as Nickerson Gardens, and dozens of other section 8 housing spread throughout L.A.
    I’ve eat’n mo soul food than any white could digest.
    You can’t blame blacks, Hispanics and mohammadans, blame government for welfare and endless free shit spurred on by a bloated corrupt permanent political class.

    • Replies: @Reverend Goody
  96. Kali says:
    @gotmituns

    Sir, women don’t contribute the “least”. Their contribution is not that of a man. They deserve men’s protection. It’s not their fault the Lord created them as a link between children and adults/men. They just are not able to understand the workings of the world they inhabit/natural law and are being used by unscrupulous jews to destroy the west, but women shouldn’t be condemned for their shortcomings. That is what the Lord intended for them.

    Oh dear. Too funny!
    I was with you right ip till “They just are not able to understand the workings of the world they inhabit/natural law”.

    Well, let’s see shall we?

    It is my understanding that the US withdrawal from Afghanistan amounts to a well-timed pantomime, albeit one which will come to shape the geopolitical landscape, as was always inevitable, as Russia/China and the SCO move to establish major trade links through the stans and into Pakistan.

    As has been said from the very beginning of Biden’s anouncement, this withdrawal from Afghanistan is more akin to a repossitioning of US interests in light of a changing geopolitical landscape than an actual declaration of peace or an end to hostilities.

    The pantomime is being enacted NOW to serve as cover for the asymetric war that the aglo-zionist empire is waging against its own people in the form of an orchestrated attack on our physical , economic and social autonomy, such as it was, in order to bring us into line for their technocratic totalitarian takeover.

    In other words, this is all about timing! The introduction of the Clot-Shot-Vaxx-Pass to a tormented and terrorised domestic population, as that same population focuses on the majesterial, swift and almost entirely peaceful ascendance of the Taliban to political power at the end of a 20 year occupation during which time they have matured and learned much. And even Shmir praises Biden for his presidential prowess! Once again, too funny! lol

    In the meantime the sights of the zio-controled hegemon shift to China, Russia and Iran. And continued bloodshed in the Middle East. The end game remains the same and has bugger all to do with womens rights.

    Check your Old Testiment to see what that might be.

    It’s clear from your comment that you have given sime thought to the differences between men and women. You come up somewhat short in your apraisal though because, it seems to me, you have given little thought to the uses of male (active) and female (receptive) energies in this cosmic dance of life. Both of which have been corrupted by two milenia of belief in an externalised, masculinised sky-god.

    Until we earthlings return to a state of equibrium and natural balance between these fundamental energies we will not reach our true potential as a species. That’s natural Law.

    I hope you don’t find my silly woman-child assertions too challenging to your world-view. I grant you that men ARE the natural protectors of women and that, all things being equal, political decision ought to be the preserve of men, though in consultation with, and with reverence for, those who bare and raise their children.

    Please do drop the silly Victorian idea that we women are unable to understand the workings of the world. And please do try to understand that our “shortcimings” are yours, and vice versa.

    With a hearty laugh in my heart, I wish you all the best on your journey to understanding.

    Peace,
    Kali.

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @Badger Down
  97. @Miro23

    That’s the same welfare nanny state they impose in every state in the union, and for every illegal, refugee, aspiring rapper, gangbangger and white meth head.
    It’s best to keep the population sedated, stoned and incapacitated, because if they knew what government was doing to them, there would be no government to govern.

  98. @Observator

    Now murderous barbarians can go back to killing one another over which figment of their imagination is the correct one, without foreign barbarians who worship only power and money interfering with their fun.

    At least the killing will be over a figment of their imagination and not one of ours.

  99. @israel shamir

    Mind you, I think stoning for adultery is a reasonable punishment,

    Compare with what Jesus taught Jews about stoning an adulteress. Even if one thinks it interpolative it does indeed reflect the spirit that Jesus said animates his followers –

    3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

    11 “No one, sir,” she said.

    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:3-

  100. Better Taliban than Analiban.

  101. Truth says:
    @Malla

    I agree.

    But My Friend, there is nothing stopping Mr. Shamir, Mr. Anglin or any of these other quasi-journalists from leaving the niggers, queers, fags, lefties and the rest, moving to New South Valhalla and re-starting their lives in the environment of the people they are rooting for.

    Capisce?

    • Replies: @Malla
  102. Jim H says:

    ‘Biden is not an easy guy to play’ — Israel Shamir

    Joe definitely piled on the ‘decider’ rhetoric last week, as the eminent polymath G. W. Bush used to do.

    But neither of these passive bookends of the Afghan debacle actually were in charge to the extent they thought.

    Biden will dance to the tune of the real deciders — first and foremost among them the Lobby — or they’ll ‘Amendment XXV’ him in favor of some malleable dufus who will.

    I’ve got one brain cell and it hurts like hell
    If you can’t rock me somebody will

    — Rolling Stones, If You Don’t Rock Me

  103. US Milleytary defeated by a small band of ballsy men with simple small arms. All you need to know.

  104. “The Angel of History abided by the triple unity rules of classic drama: unity of action, unity of place and unity of time. In one day, power passed into the hands of the rebels – in Kandahar, and in Mazar-i-Sharif, and, finally, in Kabul. The apocalyptic expectations of the upcoming “battle for Kabul” didn’t materialise – the new government entered the presidential palace practically without a shot fired.”

    So, a victory for Greek values, a defeat for “Judeo-Christian” expectations; Athens over Jersusalem.

    • LOL: israel shamir
  105. anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    Oof.

    I agreed with every word until you got to your auschwitz bit. Too gross to care to go on.

    If I werr reading for elucidation thst eoukd make no sense but I was reading as a comrade and cinsidering my oen family history you really lost me in the auschitz bit.

    Considering how this is unz though it probably keot thee interest of some of your other readers so carry in I guess.

    By the way, unlike yourself Unz actually is of jewish descent. You’re playing the long con and it’s fun to watch. Unz however is a real and truly fucked up individual. How long would it take after he goes broke for his pets to eat hislm alive? Longer than it would take a pet crocidile?

    Nah.

    As quick as maggots.

    But credit where it’s due “Israel” “Shamir” till you got into the gooey jewy morass your every word was right and I appreciate it.

    • Replies: @BaronAsh
  106. anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    Dont you have to get 4 witnesses to the actual adultery ? Both the acts of adultery and the homosexual acts have to be witnessed before justice could be considered . Stoning is not in Koran .It was the existing normative at that time in pre -Islamic time.

    By the way Koranic verses that address crimes of all kinds and their punishments also end in advising to accept the apology and let them go free .

    Taliban if they follow Koran will have lot of latitude . Shariah itself is not fixed immutable but subject to context,interpretaion,and past examples .

    Shariah doesn’t apply to non Muslims .
    In medieval times , states used to have 3 set of laws and Shariah was one of them .

  107. anastasia says:

    I read years ago with that soldier, Pat Tillman, a football player with the Cardinals, who said that the US resurrected the Opium Fields that the Taliban had destroyed, and that all he was doing in Afghanistan was guarding the Opium Fields, now resurrected by the west. He was going public with a lot of these stories, and was later killed in an accident that some consider suspicious.

    I then read lately that the US got rid of the Opium Fields, and that the Taliban were planning to resurrect them. That the Taliban wished to bring back the Opium Fields.

    So, who is lying, you wonder?

    Yes, I wonder. Who should I believe. Should I believe the people who told me that the Iraqis had “weapons of mass destruction”, the reason they gave when they knew people were going to be killed, and who were in fact killed in Iraq during the war in Iraq. I read that 100,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the Iraq war, and I don’t know how many American soldiers, because they don’t tell us. Or should I believe the dead Pat Tillman?

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  108. I <3 women [plural].

    But I don't need a woman to be a man.

    F*** those with their 'toxic masculinity' stigma.

    I'm the 1 you come running to, when you're about to be mugged/raped/whatever.

    I know there are other guys out there like me.

    I don't need your appreciation.

    But I do care about you.

  109. Avery says:
    @anastasia

    { killed in an accident that some consider suspicious…}

    It was no accident: he was killed during a firefight by US troops; so-called “friendly fire”.
    One never knows for sure about Tillman’s death, but friendly-fire incidents are not rare. During a firefight it is pretty hard to keep track of who is where, and these things happen. American jets bomb American troops; US helicopter gunships kill American troops.

    However, the Tillman story is very bad: his family was given the run-around and was badly mistreated by the Pentagon. They basically hid the real facts about Tillman’s death from his family for a long time. His brother, Kevin Tillman, was very vocal about this for quite a while.

    For those interested:
    [Inside the Labyrinth of Lies: the Cover-Up of Pat Tillman’s Death]
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/08/11/inside-the-labyrinth-of-lies-the-cover-up-of-pat-tillman-s-death/

  110. kiley says: • Website
    @anonymous

    we need to import as many Afghans into the US as possible

    • LOL: follyofwar
  111. By-tor says:
    @lydia

    “I mostly agree with your first comment. USA Today said Trump was booed at this rally when he encouraged people to take vacine – experimental gene therapy – hard to find truth about this and everything else.”

    Here is the video:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/watch-trump-booed-after-asking-crowd-get-covid-19-vaccines-2021-8

  112. ebear says:

    Anyone who’s ever tried to rule Afghanistan has failed, so why should the Pakistaniban be any different? Also, if we’re using tortured analogies like the fall of Saigon, why not look a bit further down the road to the Vietnamese removal of the Khmer Rouge? That would be Iran, especially if they go after the Shia minority, as they have in the past.

    • Replies: @elmerfudzie
  113. gotmituns says:
    @Kali

    though in consultation with, and with reverence for, those who bare and raise their children
    ———————————————————————————————————–
    Sounds good to me. We’re not that far apart. Actually, that is what the Taliban is promising women.

  114. @Jack McArthur

    Christ didn’t tell her: Now go and take half of your husband’s possession and live happily ever after with your lover/s.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  115. Dumbo says:

    Shamir lost me at the “Biden” thing.
    The idea that Biden is responsible for any decision is quite ridiculous.
    Granted, all U.S. Presidents are just actors basically, but Biden is not even that. He barely knows what decisions are taken in his name.

  116. BREAKING NEWS!!!!
    Biden now is competing for weathermen job at CNN.

    • LOL: some_loon
  117. mike99588 says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Advisable or not, they can do missiles and precision bombs for a long time.

    I’m sure someone can handle the S300s, whether on the ground or in the air.
    Besides, the S300s seem to work better on airliners anyway…

  118. Reminds me of lyrical New Left tributes in 1975 to the glory of the Khmer Rouge for the liberation of Cambodia.

    Maybe some readers are not aware that Shamir extols Stalin as well.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  119. @George True

    We couldn’t keep fighting them over there to keep from fighting them over here, so we’ve brought them over here so we don’t have to fight them over there.

    • Thanks: Badger Down
    • Replies: @George True
  120. @Sarah

    Let us hope that Biden continues on this good path of reason and wisdom.”

    I’ve seen deer in the headlights, with more cognitive, spatial awareness [before they got snuffed out – courtesy of me staring at my gf’s bosom] than Joe ‘Give Me Somethin To Sniff On!’ Biden.

    That’s not the guy you want anywhere near buttons that can unleash all hell on earth.

  121. BaronAsh says:

    Definitely one of Israel’s more inspired articles. I certainly hope his rosy view of Taliban takeover turns out as such, though I doubt it. However, he has ignored the single most important aspect of what just happened, and furthermore have yet to read any other pundit who has grocked it, namely:

    The Americans (aka neocons aka ‘they’ or ‘them’) have just gifted enough modern military equipment, both tactical and logistical, to field an army of 350,000. This is the purpose of the current operation which might be called ‘Operation Instant Army.’ Yes, the Taliban might not be able to fly all of their new fleet of Black Hawks, but how long do you think it will take for them to be trained? A few months?

    We now have plague in the form of covid and the vaccinated shedding huge numbers of pathogenic spike proteins.
    We are about to have a major kinetic war front opening up in the good old bad old Middle East. Maybe the purpose is to finally humiliate the United States once and for all so that the American Century is well and truly over and the new Eurasian Civilisation can arise from Beijing to Lisbon with stops in Mumbai and Dubai to boot.
    And reports are surfacing that various US supermarket operators are beginning to stockpile, both to hedge against inflation perhaps, but also because shortages are already beginning.

    Plague, war and famine.

    It’s shaping up to be quite a future ‘they’ have in store for us.

    But in any case: if you think this handing over of equipment and weapons enough for a 350,000 person large military in a new Islamic Emirate was a bone-headed mistake, well I’ve got a bridge in what used to be a great city in California near the penal colony of Alcatraz…..

  122. @israel shamir

    Great comments from both of you; perhaps your observations can be reconciled?

    A spouse found to have committed adultery should merely be entitled to much less alimony — NOT our extreme of giving the cheating spouse a more sizeable claim on the other spouse’s income, but NOT the extreme of physically attacking the cheating spouse by stoning or otherwise.

    Any other middle option? Complete denial of alimony (but not child support) to a cheating spouse?

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @israel shamir
  123. BaronAsh says:
    @anonymous

    Nearly every sentence in this piece was tongue in cheek.
    Interesting tongue; interesting cheek.

    And I agree with you that there is a ‘long con’ in play.
    We may not grock exactly what it is, but that it’s there is perhaps one of the only certainties around in these uncertain cognitively dissonant times…

  124. “Well, Brits like wars.”
    It’s true, they do like wars.
    But we should note that both Johnson and Sturmer are Jewish and zionist.
    (((Brits))) like wars.

  125. @israel shamir

    They banned witchcraft and interest-bearing loans, and even cancelled all debts, something we all can learn from.

    Based and redpilled, can’t wait until Russia also bans witchcraft and collapses its economy. /s

    Since you seem to admire the Taliban (officially recognized as a terrorist organization where we live) so much, I can only second Anon [966]’s question about what’s keeping you here.

  126. Hossein says:

    The Taliban maybe reactionary according to western standards but they will certainly bring discipline and stability to the country. The previous rotten regime was corrupt and many of its henchmen were known dope dealers and criminals.

    Yes the Talibs have committed crimes ,as if the westerners have not, but during these 20 years they know that the world and their own people have changed and therefore they will certainly create a balance .

    I, just like Shamir, applaud Biden for withdrawing American forces to avoid further bloodshed and destruction and for rubbing neocons faces such as bloody Tony Blair , to dirt.

    Lets put it this way. we have no moral or legal right to impose our so called ” democratic liberal” values upon others.

    May god help people of Afganistan to achieve peace and prosperity .

  127. @Ed Case

    Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust writer,

    Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust novelist,

    tftfy

  128. @Max Payne

    Like the Taliban or hate them, this was top level trolling, and after the events of the last week, not even Amerikastan’s lapdogs can now pretend that it doesn’t deserve mocking.

  129. Avery says:
    @RadicalCenter

    {(but not child support)}

    Very noble sentiment, indeed.

    But in reality, what happens here in US is that the mother* gets the child support, but rarely spends the money on the children: she spends it on herself. Courts don’t care. A loving, responsible father** then sees that his children are not getting the moneys owed them by the mother (clothing, food, etc), and of course pays to have them clothed, have their teeth fixed, etc, etc.

    I don’t know what the solution is, but fathers get screwed from all sides.

    What’s even worse, if you are a nice guy and are nice to a single mother you are dating for some length, most of the time the courts rule that since you have been providing for this child that is not your own, you are legally obligated to provide child support. Because you were stupid (…..to provide.)

    __________________________
    * In US 8/9 out of 10 divorces mothers get physical custody of children, even if the legal language of the court says ‘Shared custody’.

    ** Like in everything else, an irresponsible father isn’t gonna care one way or another. They have a bunch of children with a bunch of girlfriends, are usually in and out of jail, and couldn’t give a riff about court decisions. Middle class, responsible fathers get shackled with child support until 18, and sometimes even after 18.

  130. Vigilius says:

    Taliban are Masters not Slaves !
    Back to Hegel: Terror of death has become the source of oppression of
    human history .
    Taliban refused to be a Slaves and payed heavy price .
    “Western Man” accepts to be a Slave ( not using that word please ! )
    for some comforts and illusion of security .
    Afghanistan is a perfect Metaphor of eternal dichotomy- Master and Slave !
    Thank you Israel Shamir for yet another inspiring essay.

  131. JohnH says:
    @Anon

    Very few men think about transitioning to a woman but there’s always exceptions. Keep your dream alive, it may come to pass.

  132. @anonymous

    One sinister element in all this appears to be that the US was attempting to use this occupied captive country as a test tube experiment whereby they were working to engineer a cultural change within their society.

    The US has not been very successful at nation building during the last decades, I agree. However it seems Gen. MacArthur had much success in his work to rehabilitate Japan following WWII to the extent that Japan was soon the third strongest economy a few years later. The good recipe was lost afteward, though…

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  133. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Shamir is right. There are men and there are freaks.

    Pentapussy filled with Austins and Milleys twerking to oblivion.

    5 dancing shlomos

  134. @Anon

    Now there is a fighting chance that Biden will command and take the US troops from Iraq and Syria

    You very well know no USA president can’t think of doing that, and you very well know why.

    IMO your observation is spot on. It’s a rare American President that asserts the interests of the American people, with the tenure of such likely to be brutally terminated.

    I also think Mr. Shamir gives fake-President Biden himself a little too much credit. Poor old Biden is a walking testimony to the ravages of a degenerate lifestyle, with senile dementia painfully evident. Is this man actually capable of independent policy decisions at all, let alone anything against the grain?

    [MORE]

    The same sentiments apply to the following assertions…

    I, for one, do not think that America was defeated or that President Biden made a mistake. Far from it. Ending the occupation of a foreign land is a noble act. It was a real victory for Biden, victory over the Deep State, victory over Jewish Lobby.

    Mr. Shamir is right to celebrate the Taliban’s victory. It accentuated the good over the bad in every way that he claims, and I feel a good deal of empathy for these proud and righteous people. May they live well and prosper!

    But I think whatever the American regime is now planning upon being thrown out of Afghanistan is not for the good of Americans or the rest of the world, any more than the USA turned into a benevolent force for good after being kicked out of Vietnam.

    No doubt there’s already more mischief afoot with all those American forces “liberated” from entanglement in the Afghan theatre being allocated to some new adventure or to buttress some failing operation elsewhere.

    Nor IMO was it a victory for Biden, any more than it would have been a victory for Kermit the Frog if he were “President” – seeing how someone’s hand is up Kermit’s butt and calling all the shots.

    You can’t keep good men down. All praise and credit to the Taliban for their hard-won and long drawn out victory over the Evil Empire.

    On the other hand, not so much for Team America ®.

  135. @Anatoly Karlin

    Since you seem to admire the Taliban (officially recognized as a terrorist organization where we live)

    … and who exactly made the determination to “recognize” the Taliban as a “terrorist organization” where you live?

    Let’s try to be honest here, Team America ® labels anyone who rubs them up the wrong way or challenges their unilateral “rules based order” as “terrorists” – even the national armed forces of sovereign nations who stand in their way!

    The Taliban have historically been a force for good in their part of the world. It was the Taliban that had effectively eradicated Poppy cultivation and the drug trade in Afghanistan in the early 21st Century.

    That was before Team America ® chose to invade Afghanistan without any provocation at all, trash the joint, kill as many people as they could and set up the world’s biggest Poppy industry managed and guarded by American armed forces to generate hundreds of billions in illicit drug sales to feed the revenues of Team America’s ® many clandestine (actual “terrorist”) alphabet agencies.

    So please remind me, who are the “terrorists”?

    [MORE]

    I rather think a country that arbitrarily “renditions” individuals to secret torture facilities all over the planet, with no legal process or visibility, and routinely executes innocent men, women and children extrajudicially in the territory of other sovereign nations by the thousands, qualifies as a nation of terrorists.

    I think that a nation which has a track record of serially invading and destroying country after country, killing millions of innocent people and maiming many millions more, without any provocation or actual threat from its victims, and plundering the resources of its illegitimate conquests, rather qualifies as something of a “terrorist” entity. The label “Pirate” falls just a little short when we’re talking about entire geographic regions of the planet.

    I expect most of the people of the world would agree with that assessment. I think most of the people of the world, “where they live”, would recognise the USA as a terrorist nation.

    Irrespective of who might like to label the Taliban “terrorists”, IMO (given the circumstances imposed on ther country) at most they should be regarded as “freedom fighters”. Certainly not “terrorists”.

    • Thanks: Israel Shamir
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  136. Just another warmongering episode, in a series of many many mini-wars, this one continued for twenty years, it can be summarized here: The final scene of this play became the USA’s (I mean corporate Americas’ not the citizenry at large) version of China’s Belt n Road, win-win jabber. Our Military Industrial Congressional Complex or MICC pocketed a fortune from weapons manufacture, deployment and improved future sales pitches to potential second and third world armaments buyers. Meanwhile western Occident troops are now battlefield ready for conflicts, large or small elsewhere in the world, includes private security firms. Nothing like improving the art of soldiering with real and moving human targets for training and combat! The other part of this Americanized version of win-win are the Taliban. They can now resume their fifteenth century lifestyles, with our military assistance (ditto Syria conflict as well) and virtually guaranty endless outright internal civil strife and social discord. No, staffers at CNN, the purpose was not setting up a logistical springboard to militarily threaten or attack China, nor about mineral rights and mining privileges hint: that infrastructure option necessitates roads, airports and train tracks…The MIC’s didn’t want that for the Afghans!…. In the final analysis, the whole effort was dedicated to perfecting Merlin’s magic to enhance the forgotten science of alchemy- spilling young red blood and transforming it into pure gold. So here we have it, the true “deplorable(s)” are exactly those masters of war Bob Dylan put to lyrics in a famous 60’s song. The three piece Wall Street stuffed shirts, of the MICC , board members and CEO’s who wrongly assumed that the” Me Generation”, forgot about Dylan’s protest…so, sing along with me, https://www.songfacts.com/facts/bob-dylan/masters-of-war

  137. @anonymous

    As Afghanistan goes, destroyed by US Evil since the 70s, so goes the world until the Evil collapses. I don’t think humanity will make it.

    • Replies: @Malla
  138. @gotmituns

    Yes, you Americans have your internal problems, but look at it from the point of view of the rest of the world. We see USer militants with their guns and big boots bombing and killing people in Asia. Of course we are happy when they pause in their slaughter. Go HOME, yanqui! If Jews are your problem, fix it!

  139. @Bill Jones

    The ‘Holocaust’ confabulator, surely.

  140. @anastasia

    Over a MILLION Iraqis were murdered in the aggression after 2003. Whoever wrote that 100,000 were killed was a lying, Holocaust denier.

  141. @Naughtius Maximus

    Only Auschwitz tattooed prisoners. We researched my fathers records while in the camps and even though he had his prisoner number on his left arm he would get a new document with a new number at each work camp he was sent to.

  142. “Biden was right to order the US to leave Afghanistan. He demonstrated much stamina in going against pleadings of his army, his intelligence services and the whole of the Deep State.”

    Biden shouldn’t be given any credit, he’s senile and barely knows where he is most of the time. The decision to leave wasn’t made by him but by his handlers, whoever they are. Biden and Kamala are just display dummies to put a face on a regime. A happy face would’ve been just as effective for the drooling television watching masses, but Walmart already owns that image.

  143. @schnellandine

    Well said, schnellandine!

    • Thanks: schnellandine
  144. @Craig Nelsen

    Craig, would you mind providing a reference? I’d love to read about it. Thanks.

  145. @Anon

    Do you really think you have a fraternal bond with these people that would last longer than your meeting and their diagnosis of “infidel?”

    The Taliban behave quite reasonably when dealing with Russians and the Chinese. They fought the Americans because the Americans occupied their country and tried to impose anal–feminist values. The notion that they would automatically kill you for being a non-Moslem is a paranoid fantasy.

    Zioglobohomo suffered a humiliating defeat and showed itself to be incompetent. Those of us hate zioglobohomo are happy about that. If you believe the Taliban, rather than zioglobohomo, is the real enemy, then you’re part of the problem.

  146. @Anon

    That’s an absurd standard. Only particularly type of mentally ill man would trade places with any woman. (((Feminism))) in Afghanistan is dead. May it one day be dead in Christian countries. There were 5 million fewer Whites in the US in 2020 than in 2010. (((Feminism))) is the reason. When feminism is finally done away with, any diehard feminists who protest should be shot in the street.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Truth
  147. lydia says:
    @Notsofast

    Source: “7 lies about Afghanistan”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Roger Lagassé, Voltaire Network, 20 August 2021, http://www.voltairenet.org/article213772.html

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article213772.html

    Ex-Guantanamo detainee, now ruler of Kabul
    VOLTAIRE NETWORK | 18 AUGUST 2021
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article213761.html

  148. One-off says:
    @Andreas

    This point cannot be overemphasized. Given the choice between the Taliban and the Woke Empire, normal Afghans found the former less repulsive. They are right, of course. A more damning indictment of the Woke religion is impossible to imagine. The upside is it shows the cancer can be excised.

  149. @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    people always goes to the extreme! Raping girls in the street? I believe you are talking about New York, or other american cities. I watch the nightly news and see those things happening in american cities all the time! What business do we have telling the afghans to love their sodomites, and “check how much domestic work a pasthum does at home? really? So stop whining about us leaving, we don’t have any business transplanting our sodomite/feminist loving society to other nations. Enough.

  150. Sisifo says:
    @Anon

    It’s a question of perspective.

    From here in Australia, Afghanistan seems a very free country, their citizens can go to the market, they can go to work, parents can have a meal with their children and they even travel to another country if they wish.

    We can’t.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  151. We, non-Muslim and non-Pashtun folk, in the US and Europe, may rejoice

    Wow! Kudos, Mr. Shamir! It is so refreshing in today’s PC world of censored speech and toxic wokeness, to read words that resonate with thoughts that I didn’t even know I harbored in my heart! Superbly written and gloriously expressed!

    I completely agree with your illustration of the Taliban, sans the western repainting of that picture of these descendants of Alexander the Great, when men were men. I question the credit you give to Biden for pulling this off despite the forces that would thwart such a move. It is clear from the howls of protest from all quarters that many are displeased by this turn of events. I pay no heed to those bemoaning the plight of Afghan women – that is just show – nobody spent a single neuron thinking about their plight for the last 20 years, and now suddenly they are all “concerned”.

    However, I find it less than credible that Biden masterminded this, unless the whole befuddled and mentally challenged persona depicted during his presidency is a performance of thespian mastery worthy of several Oscars. Someone else is pulling his strings. Pay no attention to the ((men/women)) behind the curtains.

    The obvious question remains: why would they do it? What is the new strategy?

    Clearly, this is a time of much chaos in the world, and one wonders if that is deliberate and intended as a distraction from a much more dastardly game of a magnitude beyond our comprehension. Surely the PTB can’t be that stupid or incompetent, or could they?

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  152. @Kali

    I just heard that the US is divoting to Mali and Somalia again, because those fine countries are running out of freedom and mocdocracy.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  153. Truth says:
    @Ray Caruso

    There were 5 million fewer Whites in the US in 2020 than in 2010.

    (((Feminism))) is the reason. When feminism is finally done away with, any diehard feminists who protest should be shot in the street.

    That ought to do wonders for the birth rate.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  154. kfeto says:

    A picture speaks a thousand words.
    He’s got his feet on the space reserved for the food.

  155. Annwn says: • Website

    « Because in Afghanistan, virile (and not” toxic “) masculinity has conquered gender diversity », says the author.
    If it is in the Spirit of the « Ishmaelites » and the « Templars », indeed, it is rather a good thing.
    If not, it is inertia at best.
    Explanation (in French):
    Templars : https://livresdefemmeslivresdeverites.blogspot.com/2017/07/lestempliers.html
    Ishmaelites : https://livresdefemmeslivresdeverites.blogspot.com/2017/07/islamismeismaeliensarabesettouareg.html

  156. @billb

    Stephens is a very Evil Zionazi, in my opinion. And stupid. Destabilise Pakistan and their nukes could end up in the hands of those who would use them on his beloved Israel. Or on India, and we all go out in a nuclear winter. That’s what 3500 years of hatred can do to the soul.

  157. @Badger Down

    ‘Divoting’?? Golf makes you free?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  158. @Dumbo

    The browns will do it for us. We have too much to lose, we’re degenerate cowards, we’ve lost our spontaneity. But the browns are volatile (rappers, gangbanggers, boxers, basketball players etc.). As far as I have observed, they dislike trannies, wimmin, “Jews” etc. much more energetically than we do.

  159. @Bill Jones

    Elie Weasel, the Holocaust plagiarist.

    FTFY.

  160. One does not have to be a genius to understand that not every enemy of neocons is necessarily a good guy, let alone our friend; besides, if you want to know about Putin’s own cozy relationship with Israel (the country, not the author), just read some of Anatoly Karlin’s past articles on this same webzine.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @lydia
  161. @RichardDuck

    However it seems Gen. MacArthur had much success in his work to rehabilitate Japan following WWII to the extent that Japan was soon the third strongest economy a few years later. The good recipe was lost afteward, though…

    Neither Japan nor Germany owe their post-war success to the US, aside from its forbearance from their total destruction and its willingness to foot the bulk of their defence costs for a few decades. It was the efforts of the Japanese and German peoples, who had experienced relatively stable and developed societies before the war, that allowed them to rebuild into successful countries, largely as relatively homogeneous nations.

    When the Humpty-Dumpty we know as the US falls into pieces, there will be no putting it back together again, because its elites have systematically weakened the nation that originally put it together.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  162. @mulga mumblebrain

    I guess playing the Golf of Aden is a nice change from always playing the Persian Golf.

  163. @Ultrafart the Brave

    … and who exactly made the determination to “recognize” the Taliban as a “terrorist organization” where you live?

    Vladimir Putin in May 2000. http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/38119

    The Taliban have historically been a force for good in their part of the world.

    Blowing up girls’ schools and cutting off the fingers of peasants for voting in elections is good in your world. Good to know.

    That was before Team America ® chose to invade Afghanistan without any provocation at all, trash the joint, kill as many people as they could and set up the world’s biggest Poppy industry managed and guarded by American armed forces…

    Poppy production was concentrated in Taliban areas. The Americans, rather foolishly in retrospect, suppressed it in Kabul-controlled areas, effectively shifting all the profits from it to the Taliban.

    [MORE]

  164. @E_Perez

    It is said according to official sources at the time that 100.000 French people were summarily executed during La Liberation.

    The data published in 1992 show 8775 extra-judicial executions in 84 departments out of 90. Far away from 100 k.

  165. How about we withdraw from Syria next, and then Iraq?

  166. @traducteur

    Agreed! Mr. Shamir is a great original thinker, as well as a captivating writer. I love how he constantly goes against the grain, against the mainstream narrative being forced down our collective throats by a dishonest, Jewish neocon controlled media which only reports government-approved propaganda. My hope is that Shamir is not being too optimistic of Afghanistan’s future under Taliban rule.

  167. Reaper says:

    “The Taliban defeated Wokery; they aren’t afraid of being politically incorrect as we are. ”

    Then in East Europe are we Talibans too? 🙂

    As for me the term “politically correct” is roughly equilavalent of: coward snake opportunist.

    Anyway:
    “Hence it comes that all armed prophets have been victorious, and all unarmed prophets have been destroyed.”

  168. @Truth

    As if feminist harpies had lots of babies, dumb-dumb. American cuntservatives like you don’t just suffer from cognitive dissonance; you live in a fantasy world.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  169. Alfred says:
    @Brás Cubas

    if you want to know about Putin’s own cozy relationship with Israel (the country, not the author), just read some of Anatoly Karlin’s past articles on this same webzine.

    Anatoly Karlin is the idiot who was telling us all 16 months ago that Covid-19 was going to decimates us. He never apologised or admitted his mistake. Instead, he banned people like me from commenting on his silly missives – because we were correct.

    FYI, Putin is a brilliant strategist. He thinks long-term. To understand what is really going on between Israel, Syria and Russia, I recommend this video which totally contradicts your opinion above. Russia is gradually putting the demon Israel back in its box – firmly. 🙂

    Russia Gives Israel Veiled Warning Air Strikes on Syria Must End

    • Thanks: Skeptikal, Larchmonter420
    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  170. @Dumbo

    I think Western traditionalists and nationalists have been thoroughly defeated.

    We have been defeated in the same way our Taliban buddies were defeated in 2001. Like them, we seem to be down and out, but the reality is that we are biding our time. We can never be truly defeated because we represent the natural order of things. The Zio-Homo-Gyno regime is a house of cards. That’s as true in Christian countries as it was in Afghanistan.

    • Agree: Alfred
  171. @Ray Caruso

    babies, dumb-dumb

    UR illiterates, note: That was a vocative comma. This comment comprises 2 altogether. They clarify.

  172. anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    Despite the occasional green eyes, Afghani women don’t age well.

    Lol! It happens to everybody not just Afghan women.

    Firstly, a hard life makes that happen.

    And, have you seen how some of the yesteryear Hollywood “heartthrobs” have aged now?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  173. @Anatoly Karlin

    Yeah, like the CIA would say something different. We know you trust their “polls”, which implies you think Afghan peasants would confide to a total stranger that they support the Taliban, so here’s something that will shock you: CIA agents lie for a living. Just as they claim the Taliban allowed bacha bazi while their puppet regime banned it, which is the opposite of the truth, of course they would claim they suppressed opium production while the Taliban profited from it. The reality is that the CIA has been involved in drug trafficking for decades, for the purpose of recruiting local drug lords as allies but, more importantly, to collect fabulous profits for itself and for the psychopaths it employs—and it never hurts to remind that the odious George H.W. Bush was its head during the Ford years. CIA drug trafficking has been going for decades, not just in Afghanistan but also in Southeast Asia, in Latin America, and elsewhere. It’s quite well-documented and the evidence is available to all who care to look at it. Back when the NYT was still a semi-serious publication instead of a straight-up propaganda rag, even they would admit it:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/03/opinion/IHT-the-cia-drug-connectionis-as-old-as-the-agency.html

    The CIA is the most corrupt organization in the world’s most corrupt country. It’s totally fitting that the king of cuntservatives, Sean Hannity, doesn’t do his garbage show without a CIA pin on his lapel.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  174. Dumbo says:
    @anonymous

    Yes, that’s true. Actually Hollywood stars may age in a worse way, because they make those terrible plastic surgeries that deform their faces. At least this woman is still recognizable.

  175. Mevashir says:

    We can understand Shamir’s pining for hirsute men since he moves in circles with clean shaven Roman Catholic and Protestant priests, and clean shaven Russian Orthodox politicians generals and business tycoons. The Russian priests are bearded as are the rabbis in Shamir’s occasional Zionist homeland, but perhaps he has grown bored of those people who are generally unarmed (although quick to rally behind the troops and to exhort them on to martial glory) and thus he turns on to the Taliban freedom fighters.

    We recommend that Shamir move to Afghanistan and spend a couple of years enjoying enlightened Taliban rule. Maybe they will give him a child bride or two. And then he can update us with his rave reviews. Our guess is that he will find life a bit hairy there (not speaking about their manly beards).

    The great question we must ask ourselves is whether any ideology, no matter how cruel and primitive, is preferable to no ideology no matter how enlightened.

    Please practice what you preach, Shamir. Maybe they will hire you on as the first Taliban consultant on Judeo-Christian relations. Look at the good side: at least you won’t have to circumcise 20 million Afghani men (not so sure about the women though).

    Another thought: Bog is God in Russian. So is the Boogie Man really Jesus? LOLOLOLOL

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  176. @Ed Case

    I appreciate all on this site, but sorry man, you need to be red-pilled big time…

    We’ve got a mixed bag here….right, Wiesel is a novelist, that means fiction writer, that means he makes stuff up and writes it on paper, and in his case it’s really lame stuff…his novel “Night” is pretty much retarded nonsense. Is this what you mean by he was there?

    In it he says when the Soviets were coming the Germans made all the prisoners leave, they had to run something like 20 miles in the snow in the freezing night in their old rags, and anyone who stopped got shot. So Auschwitz, far from being “definitely a harsh place” really must have been more like a Gold’s Gym and Golden Corral rolled into one…how did prisoners being starved and tortured daily manage this magnificent feat…not 1 person in probably 1,000,000 in modern America could do this, even under the motivation of else being shot. And in fact why were there prisoners left at all when the Germans were throwing them in ovens and gassing them as fast as the violins marched the new arrivals to the death showers?

  177. @Dumbo

    Looks like we’re not the only ones who have transgenders….that’s a dude in purple, right?!

  178. R2b says:

    You se3m like a very libertarian kind of christian, Israel?
    Especially in your descriptions relating to the opposite sex.
    How come you promote stoning for adultery?

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  179. Mevashir says:
    @Ray Caruso

    To understand Shorn Vanity’s infatuation with the CIA, you have to understand that it is essentially a Roman Catholic organization. Vanity and Bull O’Really are devout Catholics (at least outside the bedroom). For them the CIA is like a modern version of the Knights Templar protecting the pro-Vatican American Empire. The CIA has always staged coups and undermined left wing governments in obedience to the Vatican’s obsession with Communism. That’s why we fought in Vietnam, opposed Castro, constantly intervened in Latin America, all in accord with the Vatican’s anti-communist anti-leftist agenda.

  180. Mevashir says:
    @R2b

    Great Q!!!

    When I lived in Israel as an Orthodox Jew, most Israelis I knew regarded the Christian Zionists as useful idiots to promote the Zionist agenda. They had no respect for their theology or even their culture or way of life. They took their money and sneered behind their backs.

    I think Shamir would be a perfect example of a Taliban useful idiot. Consider the Taliban’s ineptitude dealing with the modern world. Supposedly in the 20 years the US occupied Afghanistan, their population has doubled from 20 to 40 million, for the simple reason that, like the Catholic Church, their brand of Islam forbids contraception abortion or family planning.

    The Taliban are like locusts outstripping their environment and then they come crying to the West for money and aid. Because Afghanistan has always been a strategic Crossroads, there always has been some Western globalized power willing to pander to the primitive demands of the Afghani tribes.

    Now the Chinese are about to enter the fray. It would be very interesting to know if the Chinese will succeed in taming these wild desert warriors with gigantic libidos. Maybe Xin Jiang is a warmup for what the Chinese plan to do in Afghanistan. May Buddha bless them!

    • Replies: @babu
    , @Francis Miville
  181. lydia says:
    @Brás Cubas

    look up Putin’s rabbi and film of Putin with the lubivitchers at the wailing wall wearing a yalmulka
    FitzInfo site has a section called Putinstein with many links to about this fake antichrist

  182. @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, Anatoly, I also approved of Hamas which is considered terrorist in Israel; I approved of Khmer Rouge who should be anathema to you or to many clean mainstream guys; I called for independence of Chechnya (also forbidden); I stood by Assange and Vanunu, enemies of the US and of Israel, respectively. Of what did you approve, my friend? Of lockdown, of masks, of Covid worship?
    Your understanding of Afghanistan is nil. In your recent piece you claimed that only 13 percent of Afghans approve of Taliban that is of Sharia justice. In the same day, you could see real statistics in a piece of Steve Sailer: 98 per cent of Afghans want Sharia and full Islamic State (not the ISIS style, for sure), that is Taliban or harsher than Taliban.
    And your final remark is in too bad taste. You wrote that so many times you were told while in the US “If you like Russia so much, why you aren’t there yet?” Now you do to me what was hateful to you. Hillel wouldn’t approve.
    Anyway my answer is simple: I wrote about many wonderful deeds by many great men and women; if I were to relocate every time, I’d have to cover a lot of miles! I wrote positively and excitedly about Lukashenko in Belarus (you hate him), Stalin in Yalta (another hate for you), Viet Kong, Khmer Rouge, Palestinians, Japanese tradition, Greek churches; Swedish heroes; Afghanistan in 1980-1989, Afghanistan in 2001, and yes, the heroes fighting lockdowns everywhere from Germany to New Zealand. Please allow me to be excited about Taliban’s victory without going to join them.

  183. @RadicalCenter

    I am all for forgiveness; give a chance to the betrayed husband to forgive his wife, as Joseph forgave Mary (before he was told by the angel).

  184. @nickels

    I’m going to be Commander-in-Chief of the Firing Squad Directorate.

  185. some_loon says:

    I can easily see giving credit to Biden for pulling out. Even if late, and even if that lateness itself has had consequences in theater.

    Mr. Shamir seems to be giving him too much credit, however. Just because divorces are messy doesn’t explain the messy withdrawl. An out of touch political leadership does.

    And Mr. Shamir is treating an operation as badly needed as it was badly executed, as a 4D chess move.

    I does seem odd, also, to speak of Biden’s ‘stamina’ given his short workdays and his long holidays.

  186. @Sisifo

    shockingly true! Israelis can’t, either!

  187. @Cloak And Dagger

    It could be seen as a powerful strike (in inter-US context) against Neocons who probably thought they call shots. If you have to have a plot, it is a plot against Neocons within Deep State/Dem party.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  188. @Mevashir

    I like a man who laughs at his own jokes

    LOLOLOLOL

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  189. @Alfred

    Thanks for the video, which I haven’t yet finished watching. In fact, some time ago I was curious about exactly the sort of details of the Russia-Israel relations which this Mercouris guy expounds. Anyway, I think you convinced me to reassess this point.

    As for the Taliban, there is nothing to reconsider. They are awful.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  190. @israel shamir

    It could be seen as a powerful strike (in inter-US context) against Neocons

    Much as I would like to believe that, lest we forget, Biden was part of thwarting Obama from pulling out of Afghanistan (not that Obama needed much push back).

  191. @israel shamir

    Your understanding of Afghanistan is nil. … 98 per cent of Afghans want Sharia and full Islamic State (not the ISIS style, for sure), that is Taliban or harsher than Taliban.

    You do know that Afghanistan 2001-21 was literally the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, and that sharia played a major role in its jurisprudence?

    Lukashenko in Belarus (you hate him), Stalin in Yalta (another hate for you)

    Correct, I have no love for the international gang of terrorists who took over Russia, killed millions of us in famines, and separated the Russian nation between multiple artificial political constructs such as the UkSSR and the BSSR. Nor do I like the prison guards who maintain those constructs, cynically demanding Russian aid (oil transit accounts for how much of Belorussian GDP?) while repressing Russian unionists and encouraging anti-Russian nationalists (zmagars).

    You wrote that so many times you were told while in the US “If you like Russia so much, why you aren’t there yet?” Now you do to me what was hateful to you. Hillel wouldn’t approve.

    It was an illegitimate criticism only to the extent that I was a child when I was brought to the West. I left when I had independent means.

    Conversely, it’s telling that when you actually lived in the Soviet Union, according to your own publicly available account, you loved it so much that you emigrated to the land of your ethnic kin and joined the IDF at the first opportunity. I suppose it’s much nicer to stan for Lenin and Stalin from Putin’s Russia, as opposed to actually living in the state they created.

    I think readers it’s only fair that readers should be aware that you not only do you not emigrate to the objects of your praise (not always a realistic or reasonable proposition, admittedly), but actively fled from them in the one case in which you had “skin in the game.”

    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @anon
    , @israel shamir
  192. @Anatoly Karlin

    Since you seem to admire the Taliban (officially recognized as a terrorist organization where we live)

    … and who exactly made the determination to “recognize” the Taliban as a “terrorist organization” where you live?

    Vladimir Putin in May 2000. http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/38119

    Well now, let’s be objective here and take you at your word.

    You yourself, in your very own post against Mr. Shamir’s article, stated that the Taliban is “officially recognized as a terrorist organization where we live“. Your words.

    And on being asked who exactly made that determination, you responded – Vladimir Putin!

    So now, if we really want to give your emphatic assertion credence, then perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and think about packing up your bags and heading on back to Russia (where we live).

    P.S. All power to President Putin, one of a very few world leaders with a spine, a conscience and an unmatched strategic intellect.

  193. Johan says:

    The RPG rocket launcher, of the kind preferred by the Talibs, really hurts.

    Here, you microagression pussies, dig this aggressive grenade. Haha, military shocktherapy for decadent lunatics.

    real muscular democracy

    What nonsense, there exist no real ‘muscular’ democracy, Afghanistan has a temporal system which is the product of the continuous meddling of other bigger forces and inevitable changes in the world. A system in between, being a copy of some sort which according to the narrative of Shamir temporarily appears to be resilient from the influence of all value destroying decadent Western imperialist democracy. The only real form of democracy throughout history is that which produces chaos, licentiousness, cultural corruption and decadence. If it keeps to this system but is in lack of strong and bold leaders which are the only means of preventing typical democratic decline it will become like the rest of the democracies in a matter of a very short time. There is no more culturally destructive missile than democracy, playing with it is playing with something highly explosive.

    Can someone send Shamir some books of Western political philosophy, starting from the most solid source, the ancient Greeks, so that he can put his religious bible and his secular bible of communism aside for a while. So that he can communicate with intelligent enlightened Westerners, as far as we have not become tendentious imbeciles, instead of feeding us with Christian and communist ideas, a bit outdated here. Then we can combine his optimist realism with realist Western political philosophy.

  194. Mevashir says:

    Shamir is really shmearing the scheiß here.

    We spent 20 years and 2 trillion dollars training an army of incompetent traitors who have now handed over all of our advanced weaponry completely free to the Taliban, who no doubt will soon be transferring prototypes to China for them to analyze reverse-engineer and steal.

    The American architects of this horrendously mistaken policy of trying to build an alliance with a bunch of primitive third world tribal anti-Christian Islamists are not only fools but guilty of the deepest treason against our society. Bush 2 Rice Cheney Powell Wolfowitz Pearle Feif Cohen should all be lined up at the wall and shot. We can even do better than Stalin and not just send a bill for the bullets to their families but ask each one of them to pay back their portion of the 2 trillion dollars.

    Apparently so long as the MIC and their Wall Street headquarters get paid, they don’t care who has the weapons. They are Traitors also.

    Islam has its virtues, but Shamir, who constantly waxes eloquent about his Russian Orthodox faith, should be the first to remember that Islam denies the foundational beliefs of Christianity: that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead. Why he wants to encourage them and sing peons to them is inexplicable and shamefully odious:

    https://mevashir.home.blog/2019/12/19/korn-quran-crown-%d7%a7%d7%a8%d7%9f-%d7%a7%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%90%d7%9f-%d7%a7%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%9f/

  195. Mevashir says:
    @israel shamir

    I wasn’t laughing at my joke I was laughing at you. This article is a joke but certainly it’s not funny.

  196. Johan says:

    Considering the decadence of Western society which Shamir and many other people justly and mockinly address in many ways, the common sense which Shamir and other people advocate. This lack of common sense, or better said societal lunacy, which always spreads like a wildfire in a democracy was addressed already over two millennia ago.

    Common sense approach to a tyranny of the medical industry:

    When a carpenter is ill he asks the physician for a rough and ready cure; an emetic or a purge or a cautery or the knife,—these are his remedies. And if some one prescribes for him a course of dietetics, and tells him that he must swathe and swaddle his head, and all that sort of thing, he replies at once that he has no time to be ill, and that he sees no good in a life which is spent in nursing his disease to the neglect of his customary employment; and therefore bidding good-bye to this sort of physician, he resumes his ordinary habits, and either gets well and lives and does his business, or, if his constitution fails, he dies and has no more trouble. Yes, he said, and a man in his condition of life ought to use the art of medicine thus far only. Has he not, I said, an occupation; and what profit would there be in his life if he were deprived of his occupation? Plato – The Republic

    The situation of an tyrannical oligarchy and the typical democratic reaction in the form of modern conspiracy theories has also been addressed:

    When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cupbearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs. Plato – The Republic

    About the dictatorial culture weakening hyper regulation which we are subjected to in our Western democracies, which undermines the vitality of societies, which is not at all just a matter of the Corona situation, but a structural long term ever growing problem problem:

    And without divine help, said Adeimantus, they will go on for ever making and mending their laws and their lives in the hope of attaining perfection. Plato – The Republic

    Commercialism running wild typically in a democracy has also been observed by the best of philosophers. The Western democracies are commercialized to the point of absolute madness and widespread destruction and corruption of cultural values. Every thing is for sale, an old point of critique with regard to democracy.

    Who said that all Western philosophy is a footnote to Plato. My question is whether the alternative media writers have something new to report, or do they only engage in producing endless variations on the same theme. And where did they get their education, have even the writers in the alternative media been spoonfed with modern propaganda stuff and at best Christianity as the only form of spirituality?

    Keep on promoting democracy, while all non biased and honest analysis points to the conclusion that all corruption, destruction and mass idiocy which threatens the non Western world initiates from Western democracies. And it does not initiate from any particular group as many writers would like people to believe, such blame theories are typical of the continuous endless war among the people which is democracy.

    • Agree: Alfred
  197. Malla says:
    @Truth

    from leaving the niggers, queers, fags, lefties and the rest,

    It would make more sense for human civilization if instead they send these fags, trannies, niggers, lefties and the rest etc… to the Taliban Valhalla and see them disciplined up while they build a new Valhalla in the West.

  198. Malla says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    As Afghanistan goes, destroyed by US Evil since the 70s, so goes the world until the Evil collapses. I don’t think humanity will make it.

    How was Afghanistan destroyed by US evil form the 1970s????

    • Replies: @Half Back
  199. @Jack McArthur

    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:3-

    I am a Shia Muslim and I love and respect Prince of Peace Jesus (as). But the above fairy tale is the most ludicrous story I have ever heard. First of all there is no such thing called, “adultery”. In Jesus language it is called, “zina” which means fornication is defined as a male and a female have sex who are not legally married to each.

    Zina is almost impossible to prove in Islam, it is like looking for a needle in haystack. To prove zina it requires four (not the usual two) witnesses who have seen penetration to take place as it takes two to tango. I believe the rules are pretty much same in Judaism, but only two witnesses are sufficient. Below is the equal punishment to both the man and the woman according to the Holy Quran.

    Chapter 24: The Light

    1. ˹This is˺ a sûrah which We have revealed and made ˹its rulings˺ obligatory, and revealed in it clear commandments so that you may be mindful.

    2. As for female and male fornicators, give each of them one hundred lashes, and do not let pity for them make you lenient in ˹enforcing˺ the law of Allah, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a number of believers witness their punishment.

    3. A male fornicator would only marry a female fornicator or idolatress. And a female fornicator would only be married to a fornicator or idolater. This is ˹all˺ forbidden to the believers.

    4. Those who accuse chaste women ˹of adultery˺ and fail to produce four witnesses, give them eighty lashes ˹each˺. And do not ever accept any testimony from them—for they are indeed the rebellious—

    5. except those who repent afterwards and mend their ways, then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    https://quran.com/24

    In the above ludicrous story of Jesus, there is no mention of the man who commuted fornication with the women, as it takes two to tango.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Jack McArthur
  200. Truth says:

    It’s a good thing a group of religious extremists are in control. They’re going to bring the country back to the good ole days.

    • LOL: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  201. @israel shamir

    Your understanding of Afghanistan is nil. In your recent piece you claimed that only 13 percent of Afghans approve of Taliban that is of Sharia justice. In the same day, you could see real statistics in a piece of Steve Sailer: 98 per cent of Afghans want Sharia and full Islamic State (not the ISIS style, for sure), that is Taliban or harsher than Taliban.

    These are new and improved Taliban 2.0 (Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar). The old Taliban 1.0 were rooted out as they smelt pungent. The name of the perfume (Taliban) is the same, but the new Taliban 2.0 come in a different packaging and with excellent fragrance.

    When someone mentions “Sharia (Law), I usually laugh. Which Sharia and whose Shari. Muslims have minimally six sharia and they conflict with each other. The six sharia are:

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    1. Sunni Hanafi (largest)
    2. Sunni Shafei (second largest)
    3. Sunni Maliki (as an example practiced in UAE)
    4. Sunni Hambali (as an example practiced in KSA and Taliban 1.0)
    5. Shia (practiced by majority of Shia, mostly Arabs and Iranian)
    6. Ibada (practiced in Oman)

    Others:
    1. Sunni Sufi (very large group which includes Taliban 2.0. Sufi are very close to Shia as they are very spiritual like Shia)
    2. Sunni Qadiani (India and Pakistan)
    3. Shia Zaidi (Yemeni Houtis)
    4. Shia Ismaili (KSA, India and Pakistan)
    5. Shia Alawite (Syria)
    6. Snake Charmers (least I forget them).

    Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar was in Pakistan for eight years, under USA supervision. Then USA asked Pakistan to release him and allow him to go to Qatar. He is a Sufi and has taken monthly trips to Iran with his delegation for the blessings of Iran. He was in Iran in January 2021, under the old regime of Hassan Rouhani and Mohammad Javad Zarif. Under the new regime of Iran, the Afghanistan and Baradar files are still with Mohammad Javad Zarif .

    Before USA got in Afghanistan, almost all Afghanistan were either Sufi or Shia. USA brought KSA in Afghanistan and the rest is history.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  202. @Truth

    It’s a good thing a group of religious extremists are in control. They’re going to bring the country back to the good ole days.

    Yes, Sayyid Khomeini is godsend as these days Muslims dress modestly and don’t dress like the Iranians did under the Shah.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  203. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    First of all there is no such thing called, “adultery”. In Jesus language it is called, “zina” which means fornication is defined as a male and a female have sex who are not legally married to each.

    Zina is fornication, which is sex between two unmarried people or between a married man and an unmarried woman. (A married woman is always guilty of adultery whether she has sex with a married man apart from her husband or another unmarried man.) This is totally different from adultery which is illicit sex between a married woman and any man, married or single, who is not her husband.

    In Torah Judaism, if a married woman has sex with a man besides her husband, whether he is married or single, that is called adultery, Ni’uf in Hebrew. Zina is Z’nut in Hebrew. And in such a case both the married woman and her lover, whether married to someone else or single, are guilty of adultery and subject to the death penalty.

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    In the Bible two people who fornicate are forced to get married. If the man does not want to marry his girlfriend, then he has to pay a large fine to her father because he has taken her virginity and greatly diminished her marriage prospects. Fornication is a very serious moral crime but it is not worthy of capital punishment. In Jewish mysticism and the Hasidic tradition, fornication causes devastating spiritual and emotional problems, particularly in the man, leading to depression mental illness and even suicide.

    However adultery is considered a much more serious crime for the simple reason that if the adulterous woman becomes pregnant we cannot know who the father is. Is it her lover or her husband? And in a culture that greatly values patriarchal genealogy, this is unacceptable.

    A married woman who has sex with a man other than her husband is guilty of a capital crime, assuming many conditions are met, as you mention regarding Islam requiring multiple witnesses. A man single or married who has sex with a married woman also is guilty of adultery and is liable to the death penalty. However a married man who fornicates with an unmarried woman is not guilty of adultery but only fornication, which is not a capital crime but it’s a serious moral infraction.

    A married woman who fornicates with an unmarried man is still guilty of adultery and is liable to the death penalty, probably for the reason I cited about the ambiguity of her pregnancy.

    And you are correct that in the Gospel story, it is suspicious that only the woman was taken in adultery but no man was accused or produced before the court. Christian Bible commentators discuss this:

    https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/woman-caught-in-adultery
    MAY 4, 2018
    Christian Living
    Christian Character
    The Woman Caught in Adultery
    John 7:53 – 8:6
    JOHN 7:53 – 8:6
    “The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, ‘Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?’ ” (8:3–5).

    We begin today a short study of one of the most famous passages in the gospel of John and, perhaps, in all of Scripture. John 7:53–8:11 in most Bibles records the story of the woman caught in adultery, a powerful account of our Savior’s wisdom and grace.

    However, we must note that whether John actually recorded this story is up for debate. Most biblical scholars do not believe this is a Johannine text because it is not found in many of the oldest New Testament manuscripts. Moreover, the manuscripts that do have the story do not all agree on where it should be placed. Some manuscripts have it in other places in John, while some even have it in the gospel of Luke. Nevertheless, it is an ancient story referenced in several of the earliest church fathers, and the church has long held that it records an authentic episode from the life of Christ. Thus, we agree with John Calvin that since the passage “contains nothing unworthy of an Apostolic Spirit, there is no reason why we should refuse to apply it to our advantage.”

    The account describes an occasion when the scribes and Pharisees brought to Jesus a woman they had caught in adultery (John 8:1–4). Right away, astute observers will notice that something is amiss. It takes two people to commit an act of physical adultery, and if the woman was caught in the act, a man would have been caught as well. Where is he? The text does not say, but the very fact that only the woman is charged shows that these religious leaders were not concerned with the law. Both the man and the woman were to be punished when they were guilty of adultery (Lev. 20:10), but the scribes and the Pharisees sought to condemn only the woman.

    Incidentally, I believe that the Islamic practice of polygamy permitting up to four wives is enlightened. I have read that in most societies around the world there are twice as many marriageable women as there are men who are capable of supporting a family and hence polygamy is the best way to save women from destitution prostitution living on the street etcetera.

  204. anon[676] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You seem to have a problem with concept of Shariah that is more based on the understandings of the roaches from OK ,TX, and FL and from few other moron majority states .Those very nasty idiots wont have any problem with 1- entrapments of the innocents on terror charges . 2 Those nasty roaches wont have nay problem to let people languish in Guantanamo for 10-15 years without any charges, trials or basic rights . 3 These nasty roaches wont have any problem in killing the crowds who might gather to pray at the funerals of the slain from the sky by the missiles for no reason other than some similarities to Taliban . 4 They did not ‘t have any problem in getting their junks examined and exposed by TSA .
    5 These psycho kept quite when America was destroying literally Afghanistan from 1979 and was corrupting the Pakistani society with money and adulations. 6 These psycho’s grandparents actually offered prayer before the planes flew to Japan to nuke 2 cities . They still think that nuclear war can be considered if that ushers in Jesus’s return . 7 Think of what will happen if they (dont worry of Taliban) get hold of the nukes .

    Dont worry about taliban .They dont have messianic zeal of these Evangelic or other varieties of Christianity . Taliban doesn’t have the zeal of the secular variety also who promote values at the gun point all over them world.

    At least one can say that Taliban rose from the 15 years constant war to safeguard what was left of the country .

    What would happen ,one wonders if tomorrow China or Mexico somehow manages to do to USA what USA has done to Iraq or Syria or Somalai or Afghanistan ? These roaches and their partners in crimes who pontificate from the mega Evangelical churches will take over and introduce their ideas of progress, science,role of women ,evolution and education. There will be hundreds of different versions of Shariahas instead of one drawing the strengths from Orthodox to Syriac t o Coptic to Greek to Pilgrims claims of what Christianity should be . Evangelical will cut the throats of the rivals without batting the eye . Just notice how these morons have joined stupidest against vaccine and mask or social distancing . Don’t forget their fiery bible breathing full throated vocal support for war against Iraq . Graham even sent truck lands of bible to Jordan to convert Iraqis.
    The educated will leave USA. Only the warmongering whores and the religious buffoons will proliferate and succeed once these psycho the over .

    Taliban came out of the context of total devastations wrecked by 2 western powers for their own games.
    .

    2001’s 911 was horrendous but more in visuals in effects than in substance . 911 has been visiting rest of the world periodically for last 70 years . Original 911 was on Chile . Taliban from Washington did it . This year the same Taliban’s program known as Plan Columbia killed Haitian president creating the entire operation from Florida . That program unleashed horrors in Colombia .

    Educate yourself about what constitutes tyranny and terror .

  205. @Mevashir

    A married woman who fornicates with an unmarried man is still guilty of adultery and is liable to the death penalty, probably for the reason I cited about the ambiguity of her pregnancy.

    And you are correct that in the Gospel story, it is suspicious that only the woman was taken in adultery but no man was accused or produced before the court. Christian Bible commentators discuss this:

    Thank you for such an excellent write. You are right and I didn’t want to get into much detail. If a married woman gets pregnant it is always assumed that the father is the husband, unless it can be proven with four witnesses that the penetration is done by another man, which is almost impossible to prove.

    The problem arises when a unmarried woman get pregnant, then it is usually assumed that the woman is guilty which is blindly following some sharia. Different sharia have different rules and most of them punish the woman without doing any research who is the man behind her pregnancy. In Shia sharia, it has to be researched discreetly as the rights of the unborn child are involved too. Again, very brief.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  206. @Mevashir

    Salam Mevashir,

    The same Sura 24, The light continuing to verses 6 to 10

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    6. And those who accuse their wives ˹of adultery˺ but have no witness except themselves, the accuser must testify, swearing four times by Allah that he is telling the truth,

    7. and a fifth oath that Allah may condemn him if he is lying.

    8. For her to be spared the punishment, she must swear four times by Allah that he is telling a lie,

    9. and a fifth oath that Allah may be displeased with her if he is telling the truth.

    10. ˹You would have suffered,˺ had it not been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, and had Allah not been Accepting of Repentance, All-Wise.

    https://quran.com/24

    Thanks,

    Mohamed

  207. Half Back says:
    @Malla

    I give it go. From the top of my head Jimmy Carter was Prez 1976 to 1980. A communist government rules Afghanistan from maybe 1970 to 1979 where under a civil war funded by the US caused a Soviet Union to ‘invade in 1980 . A certain Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy political security advisor was hoping the Soviet Union would invade and wasn’t leavin it to chance by destabilizing Afghanistan -‘to give them (soviets) their own Vietnam. So the position is by funding the opposition gov thru to late Seventies caused a civil war thus lead to invasion by the Soviets thus to the mujahedin. (properly little different than today Taliban with other provincial recruits AND with a mujahedin from other Muslim countries also. You know the story from their….. stingers ..weapons Bin Laden…

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  208. I generally like your take on things. In fact I almost always do, but I object to calling Virginia Guiffre an aged trollop. Something is really really gross about Epstein and everyone associated with him. While I agree that nothing has been proven in a court of law, there are numerous depositions, which are conducted under oath, to review. I hate the #believeallwomen trope, but I do believe Ms. Giuffre. Please refrain from needless insults in the future, it just makes you look bad.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  209. @Larchmonter420

    The context of my comment is that essay writer says he is a Christian but advocates stoning of an adulterer. This was never the Christian way. What you think about the gospels and what Christians think of the Quran is nothing to do with the issue at hand.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Larchmonter420
  210. @disemelevatorized

    Even by her own record, in her own book, she was a prostitute who sold her body to the Prince for a fistful of pounds. She was 17; a perfectly acceptable age for intercourse. Now she wants to get more money. Absolutely revolting creature, in my view.

    • Agree: Alfred
  211. @Anatoly Karlin

    fled from them

    rather, an overstatement. I enjoyed life in the USSR of 1960s, but I was looking for adventure, danger, game; the USSR was very placid and stable these years. There was no need to escape or flee; I just departed for a long adventurous sailing. Likewise, I had left many wonderful places, pursued by wanderlust.
    As for Taliban described a ‘terrorist entity’, it is a bit dated. Now they are accepted by Lavrov et al; will be taken off the list after the Security Council will agree. Herut of Israel, ANC of South Africa also were in the list; it is not a permanent blemish.

  212. Johan says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Shamir provides an alternative, so that we Westerners do not have to go to a mega max movie theatre to watch Braveheart. I also enjoyed the satire, decadent Westerners versus vital courageous Bravehearts and his soldiers.
    All these things, The Neocons, the masters of the Deep State, the entertaining satire on Grand Idiocy and images of real and courageous men and ‘normalcy’ are also a welcome distraction out here in tediously banal and boring Belgium or The Netherlands. I was thinking of becoming a hero hacker, or something which fits the contemporary image of being a hero and being able to count, but in comparison everything drops dead of over-regulation and banality out here. To be among the tedious wiseacres concerned with futilities, tedious accuracies and corrections like most of the commentors in reaction to Shamir’s broadly spirited and imaginative articles also isn’t very attractive.
    Let me see, where is my mask, I need to go buy some cigars, to engage in my little protest against the government and anti-smoking nazis. Real men smoke cigars, you know, if necessary we will smoke ourselves to death as the only option of resistance. When you enjoy a cigar you are also less likely to talk or write tedious nonsense and futilies. The whole comment section out here would be reduced to a few pussy men who do not know how to enjoy a good cigar.

  213. anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack McArthur

    What “Christian way”? Is this way as practiced in 100 AD? Or is it the way as practiced in 600 AD or 400 AD or 1400 AD or 1600 AD or 2021 AD ? Is it 2021 of Philippines or Uganda or Sweden or Papaua or 2021 of E Timur or Honduras ?

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  214. KA says:

    QUESTION: Secretary Rumsfeld, despite the success that you’ve enjoyed in this military campaign, I’m sure you won’t be surprised to know that there are still critics…

    RUMSFELD: Can you believe this?

    QUESTION: If we are to believe the Washington Post, some of these critics are right here in this building. Could I just get your reaction to the Post story of yesterday which said that “red tape was, in some case, preventing effective targeting,” and apparently one anonymous four-star general accused you of micromanaging the war?

    RUMSFELD: When General Franks was here, he responded to that question. He was asked if he was getting targeting advice, I believe, from the Pentagon, and he (inaudible) how he was not, and I intervened and pointed out that, in fact, he was–that we were encouraging him to attack the enemy vigorously, and he smiled because the question was not generally, it was particular.

    You mentioned that one of the people was unidentified. There was no one identified in the story, so not just the one you happen to be quoting. But it was a world-class thumb-sucker, with all respect to The Post, mind you. Where is our friend? I don’t see him.

    (LAUGHTER)–https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attacked/transcripts/rumsfeldtext_111901.html

    Earlier he lied in the same press conference -“the wake of the first lady’s report on Saturday, I would draw your attention to a State Department document, which has been published over the weekend. Before the Taliban took power, Afghan women were protected by law, had important freedoms, were active participants in the society.

    Indeed, in 1977, women made up some 15 percent of the Afghanistan highest legislative body. By the early 1990s, women comprised something like 70 percent of the school teachers, 50 percent of the government workers, and 40 percent of the doctors in Kabul were women.

    Then the Taliban took over, and they forbade schooling for girls over the age of eight, banned women from working, restricted their access to medical care and brutally enforced restrictive dress codes and even beat women for the crime of laughing in public. Now, with Taliba
    n in retreat, the people of Afghanistan and especially the women are free of that repression.”

    US run Mujhaeddin war destroyed woman’s rights opportunities ,introduced religions in school ,replaced science education with anti science education .

    He also asserted :” We don’t negotiate surrenders “- NY Times Monday August 23 rd 2021

    The laughing reporters have gone missing now . The idea of questioning the war crimes absent then has suddenly resurfaced . Rumsfiled is gone but his job is being carried out by the reporters . The antipathy to Biden shows nothing but moral bankruptcy.

  215. @anon

    What “Christian way”? Is this way as practiced in 100 AD? Or is it the way as practiced in 600 AD or 400 AD or 1400 AD or 1600 AD or 2021 AD ? Is it 2021 of Philippines or Uganda or Sweden or Papaua or 2021 of E Timur or Honduras ?

    If you have evidence of Christianity stoning adulterers to death at any time or place then please detail it here so we can evaluate the extent and significance.

  216. @Jack McArthur

    The context of my comment is that essay writer says he is a Christian but advocates stoning of an adulterer. This was never the Christian way. What you think about the gospels and what Christians think of the Quran is nothing to do with the issue at hand.

    What Gospel, the ever-changing word of Jesus (as) from printing to printing? I used to belong to a now defunct Islamic forum, where they had two moderators for Christianity and Jewish section respectively. A Christian being a moderator for Christianity section and a Jewish person by the handle of History being a moderator of Jewish section. History used to say TaNaKh, which the Christians call Old Testament is a Jewish Book and Christians have no right to change the name of the TaNaKh, the chapters of TaNaKh and interpret it to fit their agenda. If you have printed KJV fifty years old, you will find that Jacob wrestled with God for a long time and in the end Jacob was so tired but he eventually defeated the God. God got happy and named him Israel (The Everlasting God). You can compare this to the recent printing of NIB or NIV.

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    Basically, those 4 or 5 verses in TaNaKh refer to freedom of will and the Jews call it Yetzer Ha-Tov and Yetzer Ha-Ra. You can Google both terms. Jesus’ sermon on the Mount says, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

    In Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why Paperback – February 5, 2007 by Bart D. Ehrman (Author) proves the story is incorrect about the woman. Basically, to me the Prince of Peace Jesus (as), ran a kangaroo court. He could have referred the mobs to take the both male and female to Caesar’s court to uphold the Jewish law. An Arab asked Bart, was the language of Jesus with his disciple was in Aramaic as Hebrew was dead, (my friend History call it dormant”, so what does it says in the Aramaic Bible? Bart acted he didn’t understand him and replied that the Gospel are Koine Greek. Why in Koine Greek?

    Because the Arabic written language was very primitive including Hebrew and Aramaic. Prophet Mohammad (saws) living miracle is Quran with Classical Quranic Arabic. This Arabic is taught in universities to those majoring in Arabic Linguistic. More than 98% of Arabs cannot write in Classical Quranic Arabic, they still write in old, old Arabic. From Quranic Classic Arabic the TaNaKh was put pen to paper from 10th century onward, and got completed around in 12th century. The dead (dormant) Hebrew was revived from Arabic at the very end of 19th century.

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @some_loon
  217. Sorry but this has very little to do with the point I raised with the essay writer and reconciling his professed Christianity with approval of stoning an adulteress to death. It has nothing to do with Muslim/Christian apologetics. As yet nobody has provided any evidence to refute what I wrote that this was not a Christian practice.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  218. @Jack McArthur

    Sorry but this has very little to do with the point I raised with the essay writer and reconciling his professed Christianity with approval of stoning an adulteress to death. It has nothing to do with Muslim/Christian apologetics. As yet nobody has provided any evidence to refute what I wrote that this was not a Christian practice.

    In my opinion Christianity doesn’t need Jews to prove the divinity of Prince of Peace Jesus (as). They don’t need TaNaKh to be true word of God and God 1.0 to prove their religion and that now God has become 2.0

    Christianity should stand on it’s own two feet without standing on the shoulders of Jews and Judaism. Standing on the shoulders of Jews, empower Judaism. They they cry that Jews are destroying their lives and Christianity. Leave God 1.0 alone and worry about your own religion.

    I care less if anyone was stoned by the Christian’s practice because of kangaroo court. No wonder sex whether adultery and/or fornication is very rampant within Christianity. I don’t think you get it!

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @babu
  219. derer says:

    Great piece from Israel Shamir…the statement like “If it would be up to the Lobby (Jewish), to the NY Times, to the CIA, the US would never ever leave Afghanistan.” is dead on.

    • Replies: @anon
  220. buckyinky says:
    @Mevashir

    The reason no man was produced in the Gospel account is because no one cares whether a man gets stoned to death or not. Who knows, maybe they had already dispatched of him. A woman however presents a delicate case that served the Pharisees plotting. Would Jesus let His heart-strings quiver for her, or would He agree with their justice?

    • Disagree: Larchmonter420
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  221. Would Jesus let His heart-strings quiver for her, or would He agree with their justice?

    Jesus doesn’t need to do either as he not being earthly ruler, he couldn’t have enforced the law. It was much simpler to refer them to the Caesar’s court instead of running a kangaroo court. I am sure that the Caesar’s court would have not allowed themselves to run a kangaroo court due to Jews insistence.

    How would Jesus’ heart-strings quiver for the masses destined for hell. Jesus is made a dream persona, which he wasn’t.

    Mohamed

  222. Malla says:
    @Half Back

    This is all not true. The truth is the Americans got involved only by the invitation of the Pakistani ISI. It was Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq who invited the Americans. It was only then did the USA get involved and think of giving the USSR their very own Vietnam.
    The Americans never created any civil war in 1970. It was a natural reaction of the Afghan people against Communism. Communism was never popular in the traditional countryside except in a small section. It was popular in the cities and mostly among Western educated youth. Nur Muhammad Taraki’s government went too fast against religion in conservative society like Afghanistan. He even said that mosques would be empty within a year in Afghanistan and angered the Mullahs. Afghans resisted these Communist reforms and the regime reacted by using terror to brutally push through their reforms on the society. Many were tortured and interned in prison camps throughout Afghanistan, the most famous being the Pul-e-Charkhi Prison. Entire families were executed by the Communist regime, there are Afghans even today who remember that horro and have lost family members. Within a few months of coming in power thousands of Afghans were arrested, imprisoned and then executed. The socialist agrarian reforms implemented by the Afghan Communist regime (DRA), not only contradicted Afghan traditions and the principles of Islam, in many cases worsened the situation of the rural poor they were supposed to reward. The Khalq, a branch of the Afghan Communists were persecuting religious dignitaries, including Pir and Ulema, which was bound create reaction among Muslims. Also the government’s literacy campaign, had become controversial due to the practice of mixed-gender literacy classes in a very conservative Islamic society. Starting in May 1978 in Nuristan, spontaneous uprisings took place throughout Afghanistan against the Communist DRA and its policies. The Afghan Communist regime was facing serious unrest and resistance in the conservative countryside outside Kabul. Their followers were beginning to mutiny against the regime and the Communist regime was losing control. One famous uprising was the The Herat uprising which was both a popular uprising and a mutiny of Afghan Army troops against the Communist Regime (Democratic Republic of Afghanistan). After the insurgents seized and held the city for about a week, the regime was able to retake it with its own forces, and the subsequent aerial bombardment and brutal recapture of Herat left 3,000 to 25,000 of its inhabitants dead. It is then that Taraki went and met Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, the general secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and wanted Soviet intervention in helping propping up his collapsing regime. But many in the Soviet Government were against intervention, the Soviets were actually alarmed at what was happening in Afghanistan and were fearful of its effects spreading into its own Central Asian republics. Also there was this rivalry in between Amin and Tariki within the Communist Regime DRA. Initially friends, Tariki accused Amin of nepotism and corruption after Amin got his family members in the Government. It all ended with conspiracies, assassination attempts on Amin and eventually Amin taking over power via the Army and killing Tariki. it was Tariki’s death which alarmed Brezhnev and played a part in the eventual Soviet intervention of Afghanistan. The USA had nothing to do with it.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  223. Malla says:
    @Half Back

    It was General Zia of Pakistan to wanted American involvement in Afghanistan. He said that they must boil the pot but not so much that the milk flows over. That is, support the anti-Soviet forces but not so much that the USSR ends up attacking Pakistan’s border’s in retribution (which the Pakistanis obviously feared). According to the Americans, the Pakistanis were afraid
    1] The Old British Raj fear of the Tzarist Russians wanting warm-water ports in the Indian subcontinent was taken over by the Pakistani deep State, a fear that the Soviet invasion may be a pretext for the USSR wanting Karachi port like the fears about Tzarist Russia a century earlier.
    2] Reduce India’s positive influence in Afghanistan and bring Afghanistan into Pakistan’s sphere of influence.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
    , @Adam D.
  224. Mevashir says:
    @buckyinky

    Jews do not like to kill their own. The Talmud says in the Second Temple era capital punishment was suspended because murder was so prevalent it no longer served as a deterrent. It also says the death penalty was carried out once in every 70 years. As with Islam, Jewish law was so constructed to make it virtually impossible to execute someone.

    An orthodox Rabbi I know told me that if an adulterous woman was convicted and given the death penalty, she would be executed even if she was pregnant with her lover’s offspring. Such is the severity of the crime. A child born out of adultery is called a mamzer or bastard and it’s a terrible genealogical flaw.

    According to the Torah, the first woman a man sleeps with consensually is basically married to him. In our society of rampant promiscuity, virtually everyone is guilty of adultery or fornication many times over and that goes a long way to explaining the horrific spiritual condition of our world.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  225. @CelestiaQuesta

    Totally off topic response to new construction in South Gate. Nickerson Gardens is many miles away on Imperial Highway and it’s old.

  226. Alfred says:
    @Malla

    It was Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq who invited the Americans.

    And who was it who supported the military coup by Zia-ul-Haq?

    And who was it who got Zia-ul-Haq to execute the democratically-elected Bhutto?

    I will give you a hint. A three-letter agency that starts with the letter C

  227. @Mevashir

    Jewish law

    Jewish Law? A major correction! Or,Law of eloh/ilah, meaning Law of eloh(im)/(al-ilah) allah?

    BTW, allah is not the name of God. al in Arabic is ha in Hebrew and eloh/ilah is same but due to vowel deficiencies in English in comparison to Arabic (Aramaic and Hebrew) how many different ways Mohammad is written in English, but they all have to do with vowels.

    Thanks,

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  228. babu says:
    @Maddaugh

    One out of eight prisoner on the planet is an African American and they own 0.5% of the wealth even though they make up to 18% of the population since the civil war.

    • Replies: @Truth
  229. @Alfred

    It was Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq who invited the Americans.

    Agreed, Zia-ul-Haq was the agent of KSA and entry to Afghanistan of fanatics for USA benefit to use them against USSR’s defeat!

    Mohamed

  230. @Malla

    Are you Pakistani, Malla?

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Malla
  231. babu says:
    @Larchmonter420

    Jesus was a black/negro Hebrew Israelite.

    • Disagree: Larchmonter420
  232. babu says:
    @Mevashir

    US along with 53 other Uncle Tom countries could not defeat the Taliban.

  233. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @derer

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201231102645/https://jinsa.org/hasty-withdrawal-could-undo-hard-won-gains-in-afghanistan/ The United States and its partners have made great strides to improve good governance and military practices.
    When I was commander of NATO’s Regional Command Southwest in Afghanistan from 2010 to 2011, a surge of troops brought Afghanistan to the precipice of long-term success. Since the end of the surge, there has been a trend in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere toward withdrawing American forces abroad. These regrettable withdrawals have allowed adversaries to fill the vacuum left in the wake and will continue to endanger U.S. interests.
    —————–
    The contortionist is speaking nor for USA or Afghanistan He is speaking for Israel through JINSA – the gestapo who marched USA to Iraq.

    Human rights is singing hosanna for next Kamakazi They have credible reports of summary execution and recruiting of of children for war by Taliban . No picture no testimony no picture of violence anywhere , but the old bag lady on BBC is not preventing the facts from lying .

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @derer
  234. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    BTW, allah is not the name of God. al in Arabic is ha in Hebrew and eloh/ilah is same but due to vowel deficiencies in English in comparison to Arabic (Aramaic and Hebrew) how many different ways Mohammad is written in English, but they all have to do with vowels.

    So the Arabic name for God is Lah or Lat? Then perhaps it is not parallel to the Hebrew El or Eloha?

    Did you see this picture I designed to fuse the Hebrew and Arabic Divine Names? Maybe it’s a mistake if you are correct:
    Another commenter claims that Allah represents both the male and female aspects of the Godhead, El = male and Lah = female.

  235. Mevashir says:
    @anon

    The only way to gain victory in Afghanistan was to permanently secure it as a colony of the USA, like Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Guam, South Korea, etc.

    • Agree: Larchmonter420
  236. Malla says:
    @Alfred

    Yes, that is correct. But it does not change the fact that it was the Pakistani secret service agency ISI which invited the Americans to get involved in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Pakistan had been a staunch American ally in those days, indeed since Independence from the British Empire. It could not ally with the USA because at that time they believed that being a nation formed in the name of Allah, they could not ally with an atheist power. Also Pakistan’s enemy India became extremely pro-Soviet.
    But its experience with the USA was so bad that now it does ally with atheist P.R. China. LOL. But in all fairness, the USA had some bad experience with Pakistan too. The ISI siphoned off funds sent by the USA. Many weapons meant to be used in Afghanistan were clandestinely sent to it’s India border.

  237. Malla says:
    @Alfred

    If I am not mistaken, Bhutto was personally threatened by Kissinger that Kissinger would get Bhutto hanged, because Pakistan under Bhutto was going ahead with its nuclear ambitions. This was impossible to stop as Pakistan’s enemy India was going ahead with its own nuclear plans too, Pakistan had to get nukes. So maybe Zia did the dirty work of Kissinger and got Bhutto hanged.
    However Pakistan played a big part in getting the Americans and Chinese to get together. In getting President Nixon and Kissinger together with Mao. Nixon hated India as he could never get along with Indira Gandhi, India’s Prime Minister, who insulted Nixon at every turn. It is also believed that Kissinger played a part in her assassination too by her Sikh guards. The Soviet KGB had warned the Indian secret services IB (internal) about a threat to Indira Gandhi just before she was assassinated.
    As far as Mao and Nixon, the USSR and China were coming at blows with each other. This got the USA into the picture, who came and China-USA romance started blossoming. Mao and Nixon actually got along very well.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  238. @Mevashir

    So the Arabic name for God is Lah or Lat? Then perhaps it is not parallel to the Hebrew El or Eloha?

    Another commenter claims that Allah represents both the male and female aspects of the Godhead, El = male and Lah = female.

    In old, old written Arabic which is current written Arabic, vowels are not written. My name Mohamed in Arabic is written as mhmd without vowels, same in Hebrew. In written Classical Quranic Arabic vowels are written so mhmd becomes with vowels. The name is same mhmd, but due to different pronunciation, people write it in English with different vowels, such as Muhammad, Mohammad, Mohammed, Muhammed and all different ways but the name is same mhmd. I write it as Mohamed (I drop one m) which is considered bad English.

    God doesn’t have a name, if he/she/it did that he will become the property of mankind’s culture. Shia believe he has no body, shape, form, image and so forth. So he doesn’t have name or sexual genitals. eloh and ilah is same word with vowels which means God. eloh/ilah is a feminine noun. You will see in the Bible eloh is written as el (no vowel) or elo (with one vowel). elohi or elohy is my God. el0ha is her God and elohu is his God and so forth. So elohi, eli, elei means my God.

    eli eli lama sabachthani or eloi eloi lama sabachthani, which means God-my, God-my, when forsaken-you-me. Jews in English write as G-d. YHWH is again written without vowels, and when I insert vowels, it becomes Ya’Howah which means O’ He! So, YHWH ELOHIM means, O’ He Elohim. wahid in Arabic means one. shema ya israel is “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is Akud” and not One. In Quran, “say allah is ahad”.

    wahid is one, so what is akud or ahad means? One can be divided and/or multiplied but akud/ahad means complete unit which neither can be divided nor multiplied. 99 god’s names in Quran are his attributes. The first attribute is rahman, which you can think of a mother, who indiscriminately love her all pups. The second attribute is rahim which you think of a father who discriminatory loves those pups who are obedient to him.

    Sorry it is heavy,

    Mohamed

    • Thanks: Mevashir
  239. @Malla

    If I am not mistaken, Bhutto was personally threatened by Kissinger that Kissinger would get Bhutto hanged, because Pakistan under Bhutto was going ahead with its nuclear ambitions.

    Wrong! Not nuclear ambition but Bhutto nationalized all banks. This was the biggest threat to USA and Federal Reserve System. The nuclear ambition was a cover up for the destruction of banks owned by the government rather than private wealthy individual who benefited and still benefit from creation of money from this air. Jesus called it mammon as the Jews early on started dealing in creation of money from thin air.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Malla
  240. @ebear

    ebear, What do you specifically mean here?

    The Pakistani Intel community has always been a frenemy towards the west. As long as the Iranians are pain in our ass (USA) they will not budge to make any difference In effect, keep the Western Occident powers off balance. Should Iran (Ali Khamenei) become a real nuisance, The PISA would simply cut off the head and let the tail die. This assassination would foment civil war within Iran without initiating any formal military engagements… I presume that even the CIA would not do anything to lock horns with the Pakistani military, who have in the past, been more diabolical than them! As Congressman Steve Chabot stated recently in public, “On the other hand, we all know that Pakistan and in particular its intelligence services have played a key role in favoring the Taliban and eventually allowing them to take over.”..end quote

  241. @Mevashir

    The Arabic image you posted above is in Classical Arabic with vowels, It say Allah and the phrase, “bi isim allahi who is rahmani and who is rahimi”. Since ilah is a feminine noun, you have to match gender for gender, so rahman becomes rahmani and rahim becomes rahimi. Just like b’rahman (Brahman).

    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  242. More good news: President Biden refused all requests to extend evacuation and insisted the US troops will be out by end of August. This is very impressive, for so many politicians in the US and NATO states asked him to reconsider. I definitely approve of it. They already took out 60,000 Afghans and these people are needed in Afghanistan and not needed at all anywhere else.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  243. @Larchmonter420

    Sorry my bad eyes, the image at the top left hand is a partial Quranic verse 2:255 called, “verse of chair (throne)”.

    ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْحَىُّ ٱلْقَيُّومُ

    Allah! There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him, the Ever-Living, All-Sustaining

    https://quran.com/ayatul-kursi

  244. @israel shamir

    This is very impressive, for so many politicians in the US and NATO states asked him to reconsider.

    You wish! The quota is one million for USA and one million for EU and UK. The rest of the fake news is just games….

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @anon
  245. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    This is a fabulous comment. Thank you so much! I am honored to dialogue with you.

    You have a deep knowledge of Hebrew language and religion. I have not met a Muslim with such knowledge before. Are you atypical?

    I hope this comment goes through, because in the past Unz has blocked comments with theological discourses. If you wish to dialogue outside this thread, I can provide my email address.

    [MORE]

    First off, I think you will enjoy these two videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB0oAhHi4Xc

    I do have many Qs for you but in the meantime let me know how we should proceed. MHMD is from the Hebrew HaMuD meaning delightful one. It is a very noble name, despite its denigration by Christians. I have read Karen Armstrong’s books on the history of Islam. And I have challenged Christian Islamophobes about their prejudices.

    For example, I point out that MHMD had far fewer wives than either Kings David or Solomon. The Talmud claims David had 18 regular wives plus 400 concubines captured in war. Solomon of course had far more. MHMD’s 23 seem modest by comparison.

    I also have heard Muslim converts to Christianity who are trying to ingratiate themselves to the Zionists denounce MHMD’s treatment of the three Jewish tribes in Medina. But again I point out that those tribes betrayed a sacred treaty they made with MHMD siding with his pagan enemies in Mecca. As I recall, MHMD expelled one tribe, enslaved another, and massacred the third. MHMD also had one Jewish and one Christian wife as I recall.

    There are many attractive things about Islamic culture. The modesty in dress, the cleanliness and hygiene, the reverence for God. Christians pray formally maybe once a week, or twice in some Protestant circles. Catholics have daily Mass. Jews pray three times per day and Muslims five. They clearly are God-fearers.

    I lived as an ultra-Orthodox Jew in Israel for 18 years. I was almost totally ignorant about Islam. The Palestinians speak Hebrew, and are familiar with the Jewish calendar since they often work for Israelis. But the Israelis are largely ignorant about Islam. They tend to be extremely arrogant and dismissive of other cultures. Even Rambam, who worked as the physician to the Egyptian Sultan, wrote many derogatory things about Islam. It seems Jews lack gratitude.

    Things began to change for me one year in the mid-1990s when I was hospitalized in Jerusalem for about one month. All the nursing staff were male Palestinians, and I started to converse with them and was shocked to learn how similar their religion and culture are to Judaism. That was the beginning of my reeducation. After I was baptized I spent most of my free time in the Muslim and Christian quarters of Jerusalem and avoided the Jewish quarter and the Western Wall area like the plague.

    Again thank you for sharing your knowledge. I would be interested to know more about your background if you are able to share that.

    Respectfully, Mevashir

  246. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    There is some debate among Christian Bible commentators whether Hebrew or Arabic is an older language. Do you have an opinion? Most support Hebrew as the original language. But there is a very famous bible commentator named Adam Clarke, who was the main student of John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Protestant Church, which is the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, who favors Arabic.

    Adam Clarke was something of a genius who supposedly had reading proficiency in 10 languages. In his massive Bible commentary he brings in many different languages. In his commentary to Genesis chapter 3 about the snake in the Garden of Eden, he proposes that this evil creature was actually a member of the ape family. He bases this on the fact that the Hebrew word for serpent NACHASH is related to an Arabic word for APE.

    He was severely mocked for this idea, but he says that there’s no way to envision a talking snake and much more likely the creature was a type of ape. If true this would have interesting implications regarding the theory of evolution.

    See the following:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Clarke
    https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc/genesis-3.html

    • Replies: @Alfred
  247. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    But again I point out that those tribes betrayed a sacred treaty they made with MHMD siding with his pagan enemies in Mecca. As I recall, MHMD expelled one tribe, enslaved another, and massacred the third. MHMD also had one Jewish and one Christian wife as I recall.

    I believe the Jews of Medina had lucrative commercial relations with the pagans in Mecca and they feared that their support for Muhammad peace be upon him would redound to their detriment if the pagan Meccans won the coming war. This is an excellent example of how Jews prioritize their commercial interests over evangelism and spreading knowledge of the one true God to non-Jews.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  248. Truth says:
    @babu

    African-Americans make up 18% of the planet’s population?!?!?

    Dang, that vaccine is worse than I thought!

  249. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Why didn’t you lie, Bro?

    This was your chance to be cool.

    • LOL: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
  250. Truth says:
    @Larchmonter420

    Elohim actually, in Hebrew, means “Gods” (plural).

    And you are correct, from all I can tell about Jesus being black, If there is another group whos history better represents the Tribe of Judah in Deuteronomy 28, I’d like to hear about it.

    One minor quibble, as a Judean, he is from the Southern Kingdom so is not technically an “Israelite.” but a Hebrewite. His mother was from Joseph if I remember correctly and his father is God, so he is considered under the cloak of his father who was Judean.

  251. Malla says:
    @Larchmonter420

    Not nuclear ambition but Bhutto nationalized all banks.

    Thanks,Larchmonter420. Guess what?. Indira Gandhi of India nationalized banks too and she was assassinated too!!! I have read in some places that her nationalization of banks pissed the Rothschilds of the World and Kissinger was their minion anyways.
    Wow, so it seems both India and Pakistan went through similar fates for similar actions. Interesting.

  252. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Damn Truthie, I missed my chance. You are right, it would have been fun too. I could have claimed I am the Prince of Rawalpindi and had some fun. Life on Unz gets too serious sometimes will all that fact writing.
    Anyway, since I am already cool, more cool would have led to me being frozen stiff.

    • LOL: Truth
  253. @Alfred

    Zia was Evil, and a true father of the salafists and al-Qaeda, therefore a typical US stooge, but the KGB got him in the end. Too late, but satisfying enough.

  254. American Joe, The Liberator,

  255. Alfred says:
    @Mevashir

    whether Hebrew or Arabic is an older language.

    How about Aramaic? It is still in use in parts of Syria.

    The Aramaic alphabet also became a base for the creation and adaptation of specific writing systems in some other Semitic languages, thus becoming the precursor of the Hebrew alphabet and the Arabic alphabet.

    Aramaic (Wikipedia)

    • Thanks: Mevashir
  256. @Mevashir

    But again I point out that those tribes betrayed a sacred treaty they made with MHMD siding with his pagan enemies in Mecca. As I recall, MHMD expelled one tribe, enslaved another, and massacred the third. MHMD also had one Jewish and one Christian wife as I recall.

    I believe the Jews of Medina had lucrative commercial relations with the pagans in Mecca and they feared that their support for Muhammad peace be upon him would redound to their detriment if the pagan Meccans won the coming war. This is an excellent example of how Jews prioritize their commercial interests over evangelism and spreading knowledge of the one true God to non-Jews.

    There were three powerful Jewish tribes in Medina. Two lived on highland and the Prophet (saws) lived in lowland. The third tribe Banu Nader lived outstrips of Medina, basically owning a big city. The two highlander tribes put a knife in the back of the Prophet. They lost and had to leave. The third tribe Banu Nadir didn’t participate in it, but they left the city to the Prophet and asked him they want to leave peacefully. Mohammad’s one wife was concubine and she was a gift given to the Prophet by the King of Egypt from his own family. She was Christian, and her name was Bibi Maria (as). The Prophet asked to marry her, but she said would like to live like a concubine and practice her own Christian’s religion. He accepted both her wishes.

    The Prophet was married to one wife Bibi Khadijah for 27 years, the mother of Bibi Fatima (as). When Bibi Khadijah died the Prophet was 52+ years old. He then moved to Medina for the last 10+ years of his life. Muslims are allowed only 4 wives at the time, but he was given special permission by Allah to marry as many to unite the various tribes. It was considered a honor to be married to the Prophet, so he married 12 wives and had 2 concubines. Basically, he was an one woman Bibi Khadijah’s man. MHD is the root of Mohammad’s name, from which one can make about 150 to 250 words, without changing the order. Mohammad means, someone who Praises the Lord. To do that you have to put the “m” in front to it, so it becomes mhmd. HMD can be made into several names with vowels, such as aHMeD, moHaMMaD, maHMooD, HaMaD and so forth.

    As far as which is the first language, I believe it is Arabic. When the Jews who migrated to Egypt they were “cow worshiper”. The Arabs were monotheistic and the learned monotheism from them. The second chapter of the Quran is called, “Heifer”, where Jews were paying someone to raise a special heifer so that they can worship it. Moses (as) found out and they started to toy with him. See verse 63-74 in the second chapter, “Heifer”. I believe the Jews are still trying to bread a special heifer for the return of mashiach. BTW, the story of “Golden Calf” is in the Quran too. If Aramaic was first then why don’t we have original Gospel in Aramaic rather the Koine Greek? Remember TaNaKh (Old Testament) was put into Hebrew from Classical Quranic Arabic from 10th to 12th centuries.

    You have rightly identified the pagans of Mecca. The tribe of Quresh had two main tribes and several smaller tribes. The Banu Omayyad was the most powerful tribe, Omayyad himself was an adopted Jew. The Prophet’s tribe is called, Banu Hashem. In the end they all accepted Islam, but while the body of the Prophet was still warm and not buried yet, the rest of the Quresh tribes, under Banu Omayyad hijacked Islam. They burnt Quran and Hadiths (Traditions). When the fifth Caliph took over and established Banu Omayyad Empire, the Hadiths were cooked and then these fake Hadiths were written down 200 years after the demise of Mohammad. The fake Hadiths are extremely demeaning to the Prophet.

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  257. https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbinate-protests-to-vatican-over-popes-remarks-on-torah/

    Chief Rabbinate protests to Vatican over pope’s remarks on Torah

    Rabbi Ratzon Arusi shares ‘distress’ over recent comments by Francis that Jewish law ‘does not give life’

    • Disagree: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
    , @Mevashir
  258. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    Shukkarin for your wise reply.

    Is it true that the Jewish tribes of Medina invited Muhammad to move there and to become their ruler right before the Hegira?

    (Is the word Hegira related to the name Hagar, mother of Ishmael? I also have heard it claimed that the pagan religion of Arabia prior to Muhammad was a form of Hinduism. Would you agree with this?)

    Yes the Jews are trying to breed a red cow. This is an interesting point of conflict between the Torah and the Koran. The Koran says that the cow is yellow.

    Can you explain why Islam does not have a tradition of worship music? I understand that Muhammad considered music to be essentially satanic or anti spiritual, which contradicts the traditions of the Psalms. In both Judaism and especially Christianity music is a vital part of the worship experience.

    My general viewpoint is that Christianity has correct doctrines but incorrect practices, while Islam has incorrect doctrines but correct practices. There is absolutely no doubt that Muslims dress far more modestly than Christians and have much deeper reverence for God.

    (Are there any correct versions of Hadith today? Do you consider the Koranic text today reliable?)

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  259. @Larchmonter420

    Will you please give your comment on the following post by”Mevashir”:

    I also wanted to point out to you that a University of Chicago study showed that when abortion was freely available in this country crime rates plummeted because black women stopped having unwanted babies who would grow up in fatherless households and become criminals.

    Unfortunately the Roman Catholic Church and their moronic fundamentalist allies undermined this sensible program. Margaret Sanger, who founded planned Parenthood, was a devout Protestant Christian who promoted contraception and abortion as a way to keep down the population of unwanted blacks. The eugenicists in Nazi Germany had a similar policy. They also were Christians and they believed in euthanizing the terminally ill the mentally ill and the social deviants, all the people who torment me on the bus system out here.
    https://www.unz.com/freed/despair-in-the-empire-of-graveyards/#comment-4854785

    Please keep it simple and not let clear answers be lost in a sea of verbiage.

  260. some_loon says:
    @Larchmonter420

    What Gospel, the ever-changing word of Jesus (as) from printing to printing?

    Seems there are many versions of the Quran as well.

    Maybe too deviant from the topic, so I’ll use MORE tag.

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    https://submission.org/verify_are_all_Arabic_versions_of_Quran_the_same.html
    Links to a site that explains that there are variations, but claims the message is the same.

    Claims that oldest version has little similarity to current versions.

    Another video, this one purporting 26 different, conflicting Arabic Qurans, beyond any claim of alternate recitations or regional dialects.

    These controversies involve Sunnis from what I can tell. Do Shi’a also have differing readings, recitations, or the like? (I recall you mentioning that you are Shi’a.)

    Claims that a scripture is the uncorrupted word of God does invite scutiny, and any textual deviation is a little inconvenient to try to explain.

    Christians and Jews mostly make weaker claims of inerrancy than muslims, and are a bit less sensitive to accusations of a deviated Gospel.

    Muslims also seem to give hadith primacy over Quran, which is odd if the Quran is so perfect nary a squiggle nor dot has need of change.

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    , @Larchmonter420
  261. Mevashir says:

    Israel, I apologize to you for my earlier disparaging remarks about this article. I think it’s very well written and inspiring. For me, the litmus test will be if the Taliban will convene a news conference and disavow the slanderous accusation that they had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Although I suspect strongly that one condition for the American withdrawal and the surrendering of all their military equipment to the Taliban, is their complete and absolute silence on this issue. Too bad because it is like the facet on the face of a diamond that with one firm tap the entire Jewel will split open and reveal its ugly empty insides to the world.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @israel shamir
  262. Mevashir says:
    @Mevashir

    I can even imagine the following scenario 20 years ago US officials approached the Taliban and said:

    Look we will invade your country feigning moral outrage. A lot of Afghanis will die. But we will build up extensive infrastructure and after twenty years we will leave and surrender to you all of this construction military bases and our military equipment to your forces. You just have to go along with the psychological soap opera. Also due to our presence and money your population will double from 20 to 40 million. So really you have nothing to lose. 20 years of pain and humiliation to inherit a much stronger country when we leave.

  263. Mevashir says:
    @some_loon

    Muslims also seem to give hadith primacy over Quran, which Muslims also seem to give hadith primacy over Quran, which is odd if the Quran is so perfect nary a squiggle nor dot has need of change.

    Probably for the same reason Jews give primacy to the Talmud over the Torah because it provides the interpretations that allow one to practice the faith.

    Christians and Jews mostly make weaker claims of inerrancy than muslims, and are a bit less sensitive to accusations of a deviated Gospel.

    The fundies are almost as absolute about biblical inerrancy as the Muslims. But because there are so many variant texts they have to contort themselves and bend over endlessly to try to rationalize them all:
    https://www.str.org/w/textual-variants-it-s-the-nature-not-the-number-that-matters

    This is mainly a Christian problem. So far as I know there are very few textual variants in the Hebrew Bible.

    • Thanks: some_loon
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  264. some_loon says:
    @Mevashir

    The fundies are almost as absolute about biblical inerrancy as the Muslims.

    Thanks for the link.

    I have read that many Christian biblical scholars acknowledge that the official Gospels are not the originals, that there is a hypothetical ‘Q’ gospel out there that they hope to find, from which at least parts of Matthew and Luke derive.

    Probably for the same reason Jews give primacy to the Talmud over the Torah because it provides the interpretations that allow one to practice the faith

    There are ‘Quran-only’ Muslims, who claim the Quran is enough, that the hadith are illicit innovations. They seem to come mostly from Sunni communities, and are regarded as heretics.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  265. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    In his homily, the pope presents the Christian faith as not just superseding the Torah; but asserts that the latter no longer gives life, implying that Jewish religious practice in the present era is rendered obsolete,” Arusi reportedly wrote in the letter. “This is in effect part and parcel of the ‘teaching of contempt’ towards Jews and Judaism that we had thought had been fully repudiated by the Church.”

    What Pope Francis said is 100% accurate Christian doctrine. We believe that the purpose of the law is to force people to see their sinfulness and their need for the Savior Jesus. The above statement by the rabbi is typical Jewish special pleading and whining, trying to destroy the identity of non-Jewish groups for their own supremacist insecurities.

    If Frances capitulates to the Jewish extortion, he will essentially be repudiating one of the foundational beliefs of the Christian faith.

    He may be a celibate Pope, but we can only hope he still has his cojones!

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  266. Mevashir says:
    @Mevashir

    Saint Paul writes in his Letter to Romans that the purpose of the Law of Moses is to awaken our consciousness of sin in us which leads to death without the atonement of the Savior and he infusion of the Holy Spirit.

    Francis should respond to the rabbi in the following way:

    We indeed have contempt for your religion, but as far as your people go, we don’t have contempt but rather fear and loathing because we recognize that Jews are the great destroyers of all that is decent true and beautiful in the world. May God save us all Amen!

  267. Mevashir says:
    @Mevashir

    Of course the Jewpocrites don’t hesitate to teach their own people contempt for every world religion, especially their two great rivals Christianity and Islam. Let’s see them stop whining and bullying and instead practice what they preach to — and demand from — others.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  268. Mevashir says:
    @some_loon

    I guess they would be like the Karaites who say that the Torah is enough and that the entire Talmudic tradition is illegitimate.

    The only problem is that Community has virtually disappeared and numbers maybe a few hundred living in Samaria.

    The Catholics and Orthodox Christians aren’t interested in the “missing” Aramaic Gospel because they think the Greek text is superior anyway. That’s because the Greek language is much more subtle and complex with a much richer vocabulary than Hebrew. The Messianic people who are anyway ignorant of Greek dismiss this idea and crave the Hebrew or Aramaic original. It’s a tedious argument.

    • Thanks: some_loon
  269. @Mevashir

    (Are there any correct versions of Hadith today? Do you consider the Koranic text today reliable?)

    What was Mecca during the Prophet’s (saws) times. The Prophet was born in Mecca and it was controlled by the Quresh tribe. The most powerful tribe was Bunu Omayyad, and the Prophet’s tribe was Banu Hashem and several other smaller tribes. Omayyad was as a Jewish and adopted as a boy. Muslims believe that God sent more than 140,000 Prophets with same religion and same major commandments, but in no time shaytan hijacked these religions. Mecca was not on the main route of trade. Mecca housed many different shrines for all kinds of pagans and it was ruled by shaytan (figuratively). Anyone can come to Mecca to pray to their deities, the gates opened in the morning, pay your fee and leave much before sunset and the gates were closed again. A money making machine (city). Another use for Mecca was if two tribes want to negotiate peace, they can come to Mecca and do as such, but no arms were allowed in Mecca. If they needed the assistance of head of Banu Omayyad tribe, meaning Abu Sufyan, this service was provided with extra cost. Everybody left Mecca happy and the money kept pouring in.

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    Mecca had very few residents, 50 some houses. The Meccan can came and go anytime without paying the fee, but if they were locked, then there locked till next morning. All kinds of preachers used to come to Mecca, pay the entrance price, and preach to their heart content. In the evening they had to leave and can come next day and pay the entrance price. If any preacher was perceived as a threat to money making empire, he was never allowed again. But Mohammad was different as he was the resident of Mecca and he started to upset apple’s cart by preaching monotheism. Quite a few times, Abu Sufyan scratched his head what to do with as his popularity was growing. He even tried unsuccessfully to bribe the Prophet. Then he had to do something with Mohammad, but head of Banu Hashem always protected him. He was Abu Talib (as), the father of Imam Ali (as) and uncle of the Prophet and raised him from the age of 8 years old. As I have mentioned earlier, Mohammad spent 52+ years of his 63 year life in Mecca and just married to only one wife.

    Compromise was made with Abu Sufyan by Abu Talib. Mecca had drought for several years and Abu Talib had a farm outside of Mecca. Mohammad with his wife, his children and Imam Ali who as child was raised by Mohammad and his wife were put under house arrest for almost 3 years. No body was allowed to visit them or take any food or water to them. These three years were of hunger and thirst. Eventually, his wife Bibi Khadijah (as) died and at the same time Abu Talib died too. Now Abu Sufyan had his chance. So at night, Ali slept in Mohammad’s bed and he skipped town and left for Medina. Ali with his daughter Bibi Fatima (as) and maybe other daughters too joined him later on. They all migrated (hijra) to Medina. Basically, Banu Hashim were exiled and the tribe no longer existed anymore. Those who did the hijra (migration) to Medina are called mujahir, and those poor people in Medina who helped them are called, ansar (helpers).

    Abu Sufyan lost his chance and he became more furious while the popularity of Mohammad increased and slowly, slowly he started to have more followers. Another headache for Abu Sufyan. He made several battles on Mohammad and lost every battle. Eventually, Mohammad had lots of followers and to make the story short, he gathered about 10,000 on the outstrips of Mecca, and in the morning they started war drums and started moving towards Mecca, without carrying any arms. Abu Sufyan came running out with the keys to Mecca and handed to Mohammad and all the Meccan accepted Islam. Did Abu Sufyan lose the war and his money minting city of Mecca? I will reply to some_loon in his post #271.

    BTW, Quran was put to paper in 7th century and has a yellow cow, while TaNaKh (Torah, Naviim and Ketuvim) was put to paper in Hebrew from 1oth to 12th century from the Classical Quranic Arabic.

    Mohamed

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  270. I hope nobody minds if I bump this to gain the persons attention and avoid it being lost in burying type posts.

    @Larchmonter420

    Will you please give your comment on the following post by”Mevashir”:

    I also wanted to point out to you that a University of Chicago study showed that when abortion was freely available in this country crime rates plummeted because black women stopped having unwanted babies who would grow up in fatherless households and become criminals.

    Unfortunately the Roman Catholic Church and their moronic fundamentalist allies undermined this sensible program. Margaret Sanger, who founded planned Parenthood, was a devout Protestant Christian who promoted contraception and abortion as a way to keep down the population of unwanted blacks. The eugenicists in Nazi Germany had a similar policy. They also were Christians and they believed in euthanizing the terminally ill the mentally ill and the social deviants, all the people who torment me on the bus system out here.
    https://www.unz.com/freed/despair-in-the-empire-of-graveyards/#comment-4854785

    Please keep it simple and not let clear answers be lost in a sea of verbiage.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  271. @some_loon

    What Gospel, the ever-changing word of Jesus (as) from printing to printing?

    Seems there are many versions of the Quran as well.

    Muslims also seem to give hadith primacy over Quran, which is odd if the Quran is so perfect nary a squiggle nor dot has need of change.

    First of all my apologies for my off the cuff remark on Gospel. I have lots of respect for Christianity. The Christian’s King helped the Prophet (saws) and took most of his relatives in early days and gave them protection. What the Muslims do? The first thing they did was to put a knife in the back of Christians by having wars against them with SWORDS. My views are known on this forum. My wife of 46+ is a WASP from Arkansas, and we live in my home country with our children. The biggest things I miss about USA is all my friends, family, and most importantly the ROCK concerts.

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    Did Abu Sufyan (Banu Omayyad) lost the war when he handed the keys to Mecca to the Prophet? Did the Quresh lost the war? Did shaytan say, I give up and won’t mess with God anymore, especially Islam? The 12 most Mohammad’s oldest sahaba (companions) unsuccessfully tried to murder Mohammad but failed. But eventually, Mohammad was murdered by poison. Supposedly, an old Jewish woman invited Mohammad and poisoned him six months before his demise. The Shia say, poison doesn’t last so long, and there is other evidence pointing to someone else. BTW, lots of Jews infiltrated Islam by becoming Muslims.

    On demise of the Prophet, the Quresh hijacked Islam while his body was still warm and not buried yet and didn’t allow his chosen successor Imam Ali (as) the first cousin of the Prophet, and who raised him and husband of Bibi Fatima (as) the daughter of the Prophet. The first and second Caliphs burned all the hadiths claiming Book of Allah (Quran) is sufficient for them. Imam Ali tried to give the Quran in Classical Quranic Arabic to the first Caliph and he rejected it. The third Caliph Osman who was from Banu Omayyad who was heavy in nepotism and eventually was murdered by his troop and his body was not allowed to be buried for several days started putting the Quran together as shown in the video you posted above. I have posted the image of that Quran which is in old Arabic and not Classical Quranic Arabic on the forum in the past and have commented on it. I am glad you posted this video. They missed something in the video, the dots for various letters, and I learned something new that it has been erased and written over and over, which I don’t doubt.

    After that Imam Ali became the fourth Caliph for four years until eventually he was murdered by Abu Sufyan’s son Muawiyah who was appointed by the second Caliph Omar as governor of Syria. Who by force became the fifth Caliph and established the dynasty of Omayyad Empire. His son Yazid, the grandson of Abu Sufyan brutally massacred Imam Hussain (as), the grandson of the Prophet and rest of the family of the Prophet. Now the circle was complete. The Omayyad thought they had won the war eventually.

    Even after so many wives, Mohammad descends are only from Ali and Fatima. What Ali did while he was Caliph, he appointed a committee of students and tasked them to put the Quran complied by Osman (Ottoman) without changing the order as it was NOT put together by revelation and verses were moved from here and there too, into Classical Quranic Arabic which is the miracle of the Prophet. He made it very transparent so not to be accused for changing the Quran. His student completed their task after 40 years of his demise or 70 years of Prophet’s demise.

    The Omayyad created lots of fake hadiths with the concept of Adalah of Sahaba (Justice of the Companions), even though Muslims murdered each other, raped, stole, lied, committed all kinds of sins and crime, the concept of concept of Adalah of Sahaba meant they will not lie when he/she will quote the Prophet. A sahaba is someone as a Muslim who meet Prophet no matter how briefly, even both Abu Sufyan and Muawiyah are sahaba too. These hadiths were complied by six authors into voluminous books called the Sahih Sitta, (Six Authenticated Books of Hadiths) 200+ years after the demise of the Prophet. I will address this issue later in another post. As far as the Quran is concerned the Prophet left two tracks preservation of the Quran as check and balance which continue till today. The verbal memorization track and written track. Of course, Quran can be printed with either intentional or non intentional mistakes, but the verbal track keeps it in check. KSA wanted to be the sole authority for printing Quran, but thanks God the Muslims didn’t agree to it.

    Mohamed

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  272. Skeptikal says:
    @Priss Factor

    I don’t understand.

    Why should the Taliban “negotiate” if they can win?

  273. Skeptikal says:
    @anonymous

    ” Lately it was Afghan women’s rights ”

    Which is really a joke, because women’s rights were already thriving under the “Communist” government of Najibullah.

    Here is a comment that was posted at an Off Guardian article on Afghanistan .

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    “According to the authors, the support by Feminists of first the Communist rulers and later US invaders smeared the name of Feminism with support for torture and massacre. They write “The communists who sided with the cruelties of the Soviet invaders had discredited feminism in Afghanistan for at least a generation”. About women rights legislation under the US backed regime, they further write “It was the feminism of the invader and the corrupt governing elite. It was the feminism of the torturers and the drones.” So, the reaction of Taliban against women by taking away their freedoms and forcing the worst type of slavery on them can be understood only in this context.

    This line of argument has deep flaws, especially when these are coming from anthropologists, who are supposed to be well versed in history.

    The history of emancipation of women and their rights in Afghanistan is rich and goes back to the late 19th century, when the Afghan King Abdur Rahman Khan specifically granted Afghan women the right to divorce, raised the legal age of marriage, and gave women the right to own property. His grandson King Amanullah took these social reforms even further.

    Following the example set by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in Turkey, Amanullah crafted a new constitution for Afghanistan that endeavored to guarantee civil rights for all, both men and women. He outlawed strict traditional dress codes, and Queen Soraya set the example by removing her own veil. New schools were opened for both boys and girls, even in rural areas; the legal age for a woman to marry was raised; forced marriages were outlawed; and Amanullah endeavored to end the practice of polygamy. Queen Soraya even began Afghanistan’s first women’s journal, Ershad-e Niswan (“Guidance for Women”), which advocated gender equality.

    Under the Communists, the social reforms were further deepened. The Afghan government established girls schools, funded a new university, and later instituted a new constitution that introduced a democratic framework and granted Afghan women the right to vote. In urban areas women attended college, took jobs outside of the home, ran businesses, and some even ventured into politics. Kabul became cosmopolitan.

    The Mujahideen rule for Afghan women was the beginning of the worst period. The populist warlords used any measure available to appeal to the majority of their soldiers, and the treatment of Afghan women was placed in the hands of poorly educated, rural traditionalists. During the Afghan civil war there was little in terms of the rule of law: men died in large numbers, widows were reduced to begging, rape was commonplace, and suicide among despondent women became ever more frequent.
    Many policies that the Taliban advanced (and continue to advance) are more restrictive than even the most rigid interpretations of the Shariah (Islamic law) require.

    As the Taliban became emboldened with their military victories, the plight of Afghan women become worse in the territory under their control. Before long, the Taliban had taken the most misogynistic elements of their society and, claiming that they are based in the Qur’an, institutionalised them as law.

    Girls’ access to education after the age of eight was outlawed; women were forbidden from working; women were forced to cover their entire bodies when in public, including their faces; they were forbidden from seeking treatment from a male doctor unless accompanied by a male family member; they were forbidden from speaking loudly in public; their voices were banned from the radio; and it was made illegal to display any images of women, either in public or in the home.

    In other words, it is the Mujahideen and later Taliban, who have tried to usurp the rights won by Afghan women in over 100 years.

    It is extremely problematic that the authors of the piece have tried to establish that Taliban oppressed the women because of their support to Communist regime and later US backed regime.”

  274. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    ” but it is a sign of the collapse of secular society there and it’s replacement by a regime that you would not want to live in. ”

    I think Shamir is lauding the victory of Afghans in their own country.

    As for “a secular society,” you mean like, maybe, Israel?

    As for “free speech,” you mean like, maybe, the USA, UK, Europe, and Australia?

    As for Sharia law, at least it is a predictable rule of law, unlike in the USA, where the rule of law is collapsing faster than the Twin Towers.

    What don’t you get about “it’s their country and it’s up to them to decide how they want to live.”

    We were not there to help Aghanis, or Afghani women, or anyone.

    We were there to help ourselves to their strategic geographical location.

    Just be honest.

    PS. Great article by Alistair Crooke (at Strategic Culture.org) on the AF situation and the true scope of the debacle for the USA.

  275. Ninemil says:
    @Gorgeous George

    George, have you been smoking those Afghan poppies? Your argument is nothing more than flatulent projection of your effiminacy and impotence. You haven’t got a clue! Go get yourself a sunflower latte enema and play with your dollie’s panties like a good little girl.

  276. Ninemil says:
    @Gorgeous George

    George, have you been smoking those Afghan poppies? Your argument is nothing more than flatulent projection of your effiminacy and impotence. You haven’t got a clue! Go get yourself a sunflower latte enema and play with your dollie’s panties like a good little girl. Asshole.

  277. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    BTW, Quran was put to paper in 7th century and has a yellow cow, while TaNaKh (Torah, Naviim and Ketuvim) was put to paper in Hebrew from 10th to 12th century from the Classical Quranic Arabic.

    This is a truly novel claim. I know that Muslims believe that the Old and New Testament bibles were “corrupted”, but I never heard them claim that the Masoretic Hebrew text of the Old Testament from the tenth Century AD was taken from the Quranic Arabic! That is a whole new level of chutzpah my friend!

    I think there are two simple proofs that this idea is completely wrong. First of all the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament dates from the second century BC and it is in substantial agreement with the Masoretic text of the 10th Century AD:
    https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/septuagint/
    https://orthochristian.com/81224.html
    http://www.matthewbryan.net/lxx3.html

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    This suggests that the Jews had preserved generation after generation the correct text of the Old Testament. The Masoretic text that you reference is unique only in that the vowalization dots and dashes were formulated and inserted into the text for the first time. Because as you probably know Torah scrolls are written without vowels. The Gospels record that Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah in the synagogue on Shabbat. If you don’t believe that the Old Testament was written down in Hebrew until the 10th Century AD, what was Jesus reading from in the synagogue in the first century AD?

    St. Paul also writes that one of the privileges of being Jewish is it they received the true oracles of God. And clearly they passed the text of those oracle’s faithfully down from generation to generation. The Hebrew word for scribe is SOFER which means counter like an accountant. In one reason they were called this is because they so precisely calibrated the Hebrew text of the Old Testament. Every single chapter of every single book was calibrated according to the number of versus the number of words the number of total letters. The Jews were meticulous in their careful transcription of the Hebrew Bible and passed it down faithfully from generation to generation.

    The second proof invalidating your claim that the Hebrew Bible was taken from the Arabic Quran, are the Dead Sea Scrolls from the first century AD, which are even more closely related to the 10th Century AD Masoretic Hebrew text. In fact I believe that the scroll of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls is identical in wording to the Masotetic text. Both the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint predate The Quran by 700 to 900 years. So it is outrageous that Muslims would claim that the Quran is a more accurate rendition of what came so many centuries earlier.

    It would be like Buddhists claiming the Bagavad Gitta was erroneous and they’re going to now rewrite the text. To their credit, Buddhists never made this claim but rather they introduced a whole new set of teachings and a whole new pathway without altering the original Hindu text. Muslims however have the amazing chutzpah of trying to alter retroactively Old and New Testament texts that preceded them by nearly a thousand years. I don’t believe there is an example of such brazen plagiarism and desecration of sacred texts in all of human history across all Global cultures.

    With all due respect, I would assert that Muslims face grave consequences in God’s eyes for tampering with his holy text, rewriting and repackaging it, and then claiming to the world that their version is the more correct one.

  278. @Mevashir

    Of course the Jewpocrites don’t hesitate to teach their own people contempt for every world religion, especially their two great rivals Christianity and Islam. Let’s see them stop whining and bullying and instead practice what they preach to — and demand from — others.

    I joined Saker’s old blog with a handle of Shia. I am not a practicing person, but I am proud to be a Shia and the Shia’s history. People’s objected thinking I am a fundie so I changed my handle to my real name Mohamed. Then we moved to Saker’s new blog, and when Russia came and took over the Crimea without firing a shot, I mentioned there that USA and Russia are in cahoots, and Obama gave Putin to Crimea on a Silver Platter. People thought that being a foreigner, I don’t the meaning of in cahoots.

    When I joined this forum, I said that I am a Shia and Iran and USA are best friends. People thought I am hasbara and they came after me with a vengeance, especially the Muslims who were mostly non-Shia. No, majority of USA politicians are not sell outs and not traitors to their own country. And, would never demean the Office of Presidency no matter who occupies it. When the House of Congress gave Netanyahu 29 standing ovations against Obama, they filled his head with hot air, and whenever they want, a little prick will do the trick. After 9/11, Iran’s two main enemies were removed, the Taliban 1.0 and Saddam Hussain.

    Today Russia is in Syria, they were kicked out as USSR by evil Kissinger from Middle East after the Yom Kippur war and Nixon was disgraced. And, Iran is in Syria too. The Federal Reserve System is defunct and money creation out of thin air is thrown out the window too. The Covid-19 is godsend, meaning mansend which will wipe out most of the wealth and bring close families together. The vices are slowly, slowly out and the virtues are in. Even the man these days wears cover on their faces, let alone the women. Airlines are refusing alcohol on board and refusing passengers in almost naked clothes. Israel days are numbered.

    Muslims and Christians had enough from Jews, and they are in cahoots to destroy the Jewish Wealth the Mammon. From the father Bush each President is toying with Israel and Jews. They are being exposed!

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  279. Mevashir says:

    I was riding on a bus today and looking at all the passengers wearing masks and laughed to myself thinking that everyone is dressing like a Muslim woman with a veil! You make a lot of interesting points about how the evil culture of depravity is being suppressed by the covid restrictions.

    I never thought about 9/11 being a benefit to Iran. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the former Iranian president constantly denounced the US for lying about what happened on 9/11. But you are saying that the US invasion of Iraq actually benefited Iran correct? Also why do you say the Taliban were a threat to Iran?

    Last week I met an Iranian man in Colorado where I live. He had an American mother and Iranian father. He told me that many Iranians believe that the Europeans put the Ayatollah into power and actually helped stage the Iranian Revolution in 1979 because the Shah was beginning to resist control by the European powers and they wanted to get rid of him. This man claims the many Iranians believe that the Islamic government in Iran is under the control of the European powers. Is this possible?

    I also knew an elderly Iranian man who had been an Air force officer under the Shah. After the revolution he moved to the United States. He told me that Iranians are very proud of their Jewish Queen Esther from the Bible story and that her grave is a national pilgrimage site for Iranian school children.

    He also told me that Iranians respect Jews and Christians but all other religions are considered inferior and evil.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  280. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    My previous comment was supposed to be a response to you.

    No, majority of USA politicians are not sell outs and not traitors to their own country. And, would never demean the Office of Presidency no matter who occupies it.

    I cannot agree with you here. Virtually all US politicians are traitors and under control of the Zionists. Do you know that every new congressman and senator in Washington is brought on an all-expense-paid free trip to Israel to turn them into Zionist agents? Imagine if Communist China took American politicians on free trips to Beijing to program them with Chinese ideology. There would be outrage in America!

    Every single Senator and Congress-critter is a multi-millionaire. They are professional bribe takers from corporate lobbyists. And they are completely in the pockets of the Zionists. American politicians do not serve the interests of the American people but rather of the Jewish Bankers and their Zionist enforcers.

    • Agree: derer
  281. Skeptikal says:
    @The Alarmist

    “German peoples, who had experienced relatively stable and developed societies before the war,”

    German people in a stable society before WW2?

    What are you smoking?

  282. derer says:
    @anon

    These regrettable withdrawals have allowed adversaries to fill the vacuum left in the wake and will continue to endanger U.S. interests.

    Occupations/invasions are costly but temporary measures and need withdrawals after rational benefit/cost analysis. Unfortunately in case of US enemies and conflicts are needed for the support of the well functioning military industry. How can continued occupation of Afghanistan – not the original intent – be in US national interest?

  283. @Mevashir

    That’s some mistake. Nobody in the US accused Taliban of 9/11; they said they didn’t fight al Qaeda, and didn’t render them to the West. Al Qaeda was accused of 9/11, and they denied it.

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  284. SAA says:
    @Anonymous

    You are a classical example of how naive western so called analysts and experts are; First of all Iran is a 5000 year old civilisation and were a world power 2000 years ago who Rome feared and respected. Secondly; Persians invented games like chess and are masters at making check-mate moves and can play you for a long time and still check-mate. Thirdly; The Iranians are nuclear armed for a long time now, they will come out in the open when it suites them, fourthly; The Americans and Zionists know Irans status but play games for the mentally weak.

    (Why do you think when Iranians attacked the American base and gave it a pounding they will remember, Yet America did nor even fire a single bullet but slinked away like the cowards they are),

    Lastly; no smart nation least of all Iran will ever let the opponents how close they are to weapons grade enrichment ; that is not how geopolitics work. One thing you are right about is that behind all this evil is one evil rat of a country called Israel and one day all of will sink into a nuclear war because of this evil entity.

  285. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Larchmonter420

    I think that already 10 millions have arrived since Aug14 I might be wrong it might be 50 millions .

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  286. Currently we are seeing the frantic airborn (= we aren’t anymore in 2015) evacuation of Afghans and their dispersal around the entire world… suddenly countries like Rwanda, Uganda, Albania, Kosovo and Macedonia are refugees destinations, taking Afghans in hundreds and thousands. I am starting to give some credibility to the idea that lost tribes of Israel are hiding among Afghans and everyone wants some for the end of the world, as beacons of divine activity (if you see Afghans running to spaceships, run too), or maybe hostages…

    • LOL: some_loon
  287. Anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Larchmonter420

    You are a liar you know that ? You are also a buffoonish character with no knowledge of early Islam .

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  288. Alfred says:
    @Mevashir

    He told me that many Iranians believe that the Europeans put the Ayatollah into power and actually helped stage the Iranian Revolution in 1979

    This was undoubtedly the case. The French harboured Khomeini and his supporters outside Paris. The British BBC was telling people where to demonstrate and when.

    Don’t forget that Khomeini was allied to the Communists at the beginning. The Tudeh party of Iran had been persecuted by the Shah for decades. It was extremely secretive. When it suited Khomeini, he turned on the Communists – their leadership was executed. In a similar way, he made lots of promises to the British and French – promises he never kept. That is why they were so livid with Khomeini later on. He tricked all of them. 🤣

    Don’t forget that Iran had been a British plaything. They exiled the father of the Shah. But the Americans took it over. The British wanted to spoil the party for the Americans. They thought they would get back control. 🙂

    One must always remember that all these 3-letter agencies are staffed by human beings – with the normal failings that go along with it.

    1984: Ten members of the Tudeh party (executed)

    On the video below, the prosecutor says (in Farsi) that for 60 years the accused had betrayed Iran.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
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  289. @anon

    I think that already 10 millions have arrived since Aug14 I might be wrong it might be 50 millions .

    Don’t LIE!

    Here is the truth from horse’ mouth:

    Jewish groups kick into high gear as Afghan refugees begin to arrive in US

    With a longtime focus on refugee issues, Jewish organizations in US and around world are preparing to assist and help resettle Afghans who have fled the Taliban

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-groups-kick-into-high-gear-as-afghan-refugees-begin-to-arrive-in-us/

  290. @Jack McArthur

    Since no takers:

    Mevasher:

    I also wanted to point out to you that a University of Chicago study showed that when abortion was freely available in this country crime rates plummeted because black women stopped having unwanted babies who would grow up in fatherless households and become criminals.

    The study you mean is published by Oxford University Press and not University of Chicago? If so the claim you make is exaggerated and the result challenged having “been much criticized by other academics”.
    https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/01/7630/

    Unfortunately the Roman Catholic Church and their moronic fundamentalist allies undermined this sensible program.

    The collapse of Christian leadership in recent decades should not detract from the point that mainstream Christianity was always opposed to abortion and it was not as you state a characteristic of “fundamentalist” religion. “Braine in his study concludes that: “For the whole of Christian history until appreciably after 1900… there was virtually complete unanimity amongst Christians, evangelical, catholic, orthodox, that, unless at the direct command of God, it was in all cases wrong directly to take innocent human life.”
    https://www.christian.org.uk/theology/apologetics/the-sanctity-of-life/abortion/

    Margaret Sanger, who founded planned Parenthood, was a devout Protestant Christian.

    Sanger wrote ““Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the authority of the Christian churches,” and she wrote in a 1920’s newsletter. “I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity, no less than capitalism.”
    https://christiannews.net/2016/03/04/mississippi-senate-advances-bill-to-defund-planned-parenthood/

    [Sanger] promoted contraception and abortion as a way to keep down the population of unwanted blacks.

    “[Sanger] did not advocate abortion, and Planned Parenthood held this position until her death in 1966″.
    http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/air/air_vol16no1_2001.html

    The eugenicists in Nazi Germany had a similar policy.

    Citation please for NS policy re “unwanted blacks”.

    They also were Christians and they believed in euthanizing the terminally ill the mentally ill and the social deviants, all the people who torment me on the bus system out here.

    According to MSM you would have euthanised as well for being a Jew. Some doors when opened …The extent of Christian NS acceptance is not known to me. Unlike the woke brigades of today who think they are without sin Christians can be sinners. Christian Churches protested Aktion T4 the implementation of which is significant in the context what did or did not happen to the Jews and other groups i.e. the spiritual bridge regarding the taking of innocent lives had already been crossed with T4,

    So what? I have never encountered Christians who advocated stoning as the author of this essay does. As an aside I now more inclined to believe the famous passage in the gospel of John is not a late interpolation because it captures the authentic spirit of early Christianity and it is backed up by the evidence from the earliest sources regarding the penality for adultery.

    Nor have I ever encountered a Christian who advocates what the author of the above comments advocates. Is it coincidence that both writers claim to be former Jews who say they are Christians? Are not the comments those who are Judaizers?

    The Spider surah is recommended reading for Muslim apologists.

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
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    , @Mevashir
  291. S says:

    I should add to my just previous post that what is taking place today in the Islamic world with its ‘Arab Spring’ is reminiscent of what took place in Europe in the 1920’s and ’30’s with the flowering of European peoples’ identity then, a ‘European Spring’ as it were. Fascism, including National Socialism, in many ways was simply a rehash of the old Kings/Emperors system of Europe with some modern trappings.

    These European wide hopes (fueled by ample financial support by the US/UK in the case of Germany as documented by Anthony Sutton and others) were then thoroughly crushed by the US /UK led ‘allies’ in a world war.

    According to WT Stead (a close associate of Cecil Rhodes of British Empire fame) on pgs 10, 11, and 12, of his 1902 book The Americanization of the World, the US/UK between them within their then new ‘special relationship’ held three times the wealth and economic resources of the combined French, Russian, and German empires.

    Stead thusly declares the US/UK to be the ‘supreme power’ over the Earth and the ‘world conquerers’.

    The manufactured world wars which have occurred since the start of the 20th century and the coinciding formation of the US/UK special relationship, including the present ‘World War IV’ which has been ongoing since Sept 11, 2001, have been in large part an attempt to consolidate and expand upon this global hegemony which was achieved over a hundred years ago.

    https://archive.org/details/americanizationo01stea/page/6/mode/2up

  292. @Anon

    You are a liar you know that ? You are also a buffoonish character with no knowledge of early Islam .

    Did you watch the video posted in post #271 by some_loon. If you didn’t then I am posting it here for your convince. You cannot hide the TRUTH as Allah is TRUTH. The real meaning of Kafir is someone who hides the TRUTH (Allah). It doesn’t mean I agree everything said in the video, but the history of Quran is well known to Muslim. Chapter 5 is the last chapter of the Quran and from it, I will post you the last two verses from it too.

    Verse 5:67- O Messenger! Convey everything revealed to you from your Lord. If you do not, then you have not delivered His message. Allah will ˹certainly˺ protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the people who disbelieve.

    Verse 5:3- Today the disbelievers have given up all hope of ˹undermining˺ your faith. So do not fear them; fear Me! Today I have perfected your faith for you, completed My favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your way.

    https://quran.com/5

    You see verse 5:67 is before verse 5:3 and I have quoted you a partial verse from 5:3 because I have post above is a full verse by itself, but the verse 5:3 was split and this single verse was hidden between it. Now come for my head or be truthful.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  293. Mevashir says:
    @israel shamir

    Thanks for the clarification. Is there any precedent for declaring war and invading a country and killing many of its people simply because they are harboring one alleged criminal? How many criminals have fled to Israel avoiding American law? Would the USA be justified to invade Israel and overthrow the Zionist government because of this?

    Also why does Laurent Guyenot write the following in his latest Unz article:

    https://www.unz.com/article/9-11-was-a-straussian-coup/
    With the Taliban back in charge in Afghanistan, methinks we will hear pretty soon about 9/11, the fabricated pretext for their overthrow twenty years ago. They have never been given a chance to defend themselves. When the time will come for a public statement, we might get a glimpse of Chinese officials in the background. They will point the finger at the U.S., who will react with intensified anti-Chinese propaganda. New developments are to be expected anyway. Here is my contribution for this hopeful twentieth anniversary.

  294. Mevashir says:
    @Alfred

    I don’t really understand your comment. You are saying that the European powers preferred a Muslim fundamentalist to a secular ruler like the Shah?

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
    , @Alfred
  295. @Jack McArthur

    Nor have I ever encountered a Christian who advocates what the author of the above comments advocates. Is it coincidence that both writers claim to be former Jews who say they are Christians? Are not the comments those who are Judaizers?

    Salam brother,

    I was not avoiding you, but I didn’t have any knowledge on it. The Jews in the past have infiltrated in Islam and Christianity, many a times. This time these two religions are in cahoots to teach Jews some lesson. If you look at my past comments, you will find that Islam sects are being united with the blessing of KSA. This was the price wanted by Sayyid Khomeini to cooperate with USA.

    The Spider surah is recommended reading for Muslim apologists.

    Can you please shade some light so I understand what you and respond to you? I looked up all the Muslim apologists on Wikipedia and it lists eight scholars. They were all mouth pieces for KSA, and the most dangerous of them is Zakir Naik and he is still alive. But I believe those who are alive now are slowing making U-Turn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Muslim_apologists

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    A person is a brother in Adam or a brother in religion. Imam Ali (as)

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  296. @Larchmonter420

    Notice how you have studiously avoided answering direct questions but instead resort to the old apologist trick of burying unwelcome facts under a deluge of verbiage.

    I believe that when I leave this life I will be held accountable for what I say and write and so I pray for absolution daily. But this so called Muslim and Christian convert are not what they portray.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  297. @Mevashir

    I put it to you that you are a liar. You are not a follower of Jesus but another Jew attacking Christianity.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  298. @Larchmonter420

    I do not believe you or Mishaver – liars for “Yahweh” because you failed to answer straightforward questions, resorting to the well worn path of distorting apologetics that the “one true god” depends on. As somebody once sung “Gimme Some Truth”.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  299. Alfred says:
    @Mevashir

    You are saying that the European powers preferred a Muslim fundamentalist to a secular ruler like the Shah?

    Of course. They have always done so. Look at what happened to secular Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    The Muslim Brotherhood was created by the British. All the “head-choppers” of the the Middle East were created, recruited, trained, financed, transported by allies of the West or directly by the West and Israel.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  300. Mevashir says:
    @israel shamir

    Now that I have your attention, Israel, could you comment on the following. Many years ago I corresponded with a Syrian Orthodox Christian. He told me in the East the Orthodox Church tends to view Islam as a Christian heresy rather than a rival religion altogether. Perhaps this is simply pragmatic since in the East (with the exception of Russia) Islam overwhelmed the Christian presence. It’s clear that Islam reveres Jesus and Mary but it also denies his atoning Crucifixion and Resurrection. And as St Paul writes, if there was no resurrection then Christians are to be pitied above all men. Do you have any thoughts? It would be nice to hear something theological from you rather than just conspiratorial dirty power politics.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @israel shamir
  301. Mevashir says:
    @Jack McArthur

    OK I am just seeing your comment for the first time. I will try to explain and alleviate some of your paranoia. (I don’t own a computer and have to use public libraries. So pardon moi…)

    The study you mean is published by Oxford University Press and not University of Chicago? If so the claim you make is exaggerated and the result challenged having “been much criticized by other academics”.

    I learned of this study in one of the Freakonomics books, which are a series of popular economics books written by a professor at Univeresity of Chicago. He says that about 20 years after Roe v Wade there was an unexplained massive drop in crime rates across the nation. The theory was that abortion allowed for a lower birth rate of unwanted fatherless black children who would have been entering violent gangs in their late teens and early 20s in the 1990s, precisely the period when crime rates dropped:

    [MORE]

    https://www.amazon.com/Freakonomics-Economist-Explores-Hidden-Everything/dp/0060731338
    https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion/
    https://freakonomics.com/

    Citation please for NS policy re “unwanted blacks”. I was not citing NS Germany regarding unwanted blacks but rather unwanted other groups.

    According to MSM you would have euthanised as well for being a Jew. Some doors when opened …The extent of Christian NS acceptance is not known to me. Unlike the woke brigades of today who think they are without sin Christians can be sinners. Christian Churches protested Aktion T4 the implementation of which is significant in the context what did or did not happen to the Jews and other groups i.e. the spiritual bridge regarding the taking of innocent lives had already been crossed with T4

    I believe Christian acceptance of Hitler was pervasive. Others have commented here that the German Catholic bishops totally supported Hitler, despite ambivalence in the Vatican. They also have noted that a special memorial Mass was recited annually for Hitler in Catholic Spain. I have read that although only 30% of Germans were members of the NS party, 90% of German churches, both Protestant and Catholic supported Hitler. See these videos for example:

    https://youtu.be/kEdnwpo28NM

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x79b28o

    https://www.keene.edu/academics/ah/cchgs/collections/media/detail/theologians-under-hitler/
    In the days after World War II, a convenient story was told of church leaders and ordinary Christians that defied the Nazis from the beginning. Recent research has uncovered a very different story. Rather then resisting, the greater part of the German church saw Hitler’s rise in 1933 as an act of God’s blessing, a new chapter in the story of God among the German people. This film, based upon ground-breaking research, introduces the viewer to three of the greatest Christian scholars of the 20th century: Paul Althaus, Emanuel Hirsch, and Gerhard Kittel, men who were also outspoken supporters of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. In 1933 Althaus spoke of Hitler’s rise as “a gift and miracle of God.” Hirsch saw 1933 as a “sunrise of divine goodness.” And Kittel, the editor of the standard reference work on the Jewish Background of the New Testament, began working for the Nazis to find a “moral” rationale for the destruction of European Jewry. This provocative film asks: how could something like this happen in the heart of Christian Europe? Could it happen again? How does the scholarship of this period affect the church today? Does the church of today retain the ability to recognize profound evil? DVD only. 64 minutes.

    Sanger wrote ““Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the authority of the Christian churches,” and she wrote in a 1920’s newsletter. “I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity, no less than capitalism.”

    I accept your correction about Sanger. I was living in North Carolina in 2010 when news broke about their long-running eugenics program wherein they forcibly sterilized young black women. This was the nation’s longest running program that only stopped in 1973. Perhaps as many as 50,000 black women were sterilized. Because this was done in a bible belt state whose politicians overseeing this program were almost all fundamentalist Christians who accepted Sanger’s eugenics theories, I had assumed that she too was one of them:

    https://www.npr.org/2011/12/28/144375339/a-brutal-chapter-in-north-carolinas-eugenics-past
    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/north-carolina-senate-blocks-compensation-sterilization-victims-eugenics/story?id=16628515
    https://lozierinstitute.org/north-carolina-eugenics-victims-still-seeking-justice-due-to-compensation-technicality/
    https://carolinapublicpress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/North-Carolinas-Forced-Sterilization-Program-A-Case-for-Compensating-the-Living-Victims-policy-report.pdf
    http://bioethics.wfu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WickedSilenceStudentDiscussionGuide.pdf

    In another comment you wrote this:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-sheer-joy-of-afghanistan/#comment-4866027
    I put it to you that you are a liar. You are not a follower of Jesus but another Jew attacking Christianity.

    It is a fact that NS Germany and Southern US States practiced brutal forms of eugenics pioneered by Sanger. I have overstated this regarding abortion. I accept what you wrote that generally Christian Churches condemn abortion. However is forced sterilization better? Both Judaism and Islam teach that self-sterilization is a serious sin. In Judaism a sterilized person is not permitted to marry or to be part of the community. So forced sterilizations by NS and Southern Christians is a brutal assault upon a person’s sexuality and humanity. And yes this aspect of Christianity I am attacking. Just like the prophets of old.

    About abortion: Torah law states that an adulterous woman who is convicted and subject to capital punishment is executed even if she is pregnant. The baby must die with her. This teaches that sometimes in God’s eyes the baby is not “innocent life” at all but shares the guilt of its mother. This should allow room for women who are pregnant in all sorts of unwanted and unplanned ways to be allowed to have abortions. That’s my personal opinion.

    I don’t attend any church since I think all of them promote false teachings or support criminal behavior by the State (eg, the almost universal support of American churches for the bogus war on [of] terror. If that makes me not a Christian in your eyes, so be it.

    I am a follower of Jesus, very imperfectly, but I shun the company of toxic American Christianity, just like the desert Fathers of old. Shalom

  302. @Jack McArthur

    Notice how you have studiously avoided answering direct questions but instead resort to the old apologist trick of burying unwelcome facts under a deluge of verbiage.

    I believe that when I leave this life I will be held accountable for what I say and write and so I pray for absolution daily. But this so called Muslim and Christian convert are not what they portray.

    Salam brother,

    [MORE]

    You don’t know my history on this forum. I am born Arab and born Shia. And, I went to USA for higher education, this was the wish of father who was indebted to good missionary, who build hospital and brought every thing with them, including cement, generators and so forth along with doctors and nurses, when there was no electricity in my country. My father wish for me was to go to USA, marry there and come back with a wife from there. This was in a way like paying his debts to USA and Christians. My tribe is very inbred, so I married in Arkansas to a WASP with inbred people. My wife’s grandfather was a country doctor and he 14 children. Their family reunion is usually more than 600 people and wear name tag of their father and spouses too. I am an old coot, and most of wife’s grandfather children are dead now. God bless them and keep their souls in peace.

    I had failing out with Saker on his forum as I found out he was lying. And, he was promoting another apologist called, Shaikh Imran Hosein, one of the biggest liar. Anyhow, when I joined this forum, it asked for a fake handle and fake email. I love Rockn’Roll but I chose Tammy, a southerner and a Country singer. All the liberals were made at me. And, then the Muslim came after me when I was posting as Muslim. So, I revealed my true ID. They came after me with an vengeance. My account was locked out many a times by Ron Unz. I came back with another handle and said who was I. The Muslims kept on complaining about me. I was locked out many times, but I persisted and eventually Mr. Unz allowed me but I had to be very careful what I write, because being a Shia the other Muslims on this forum made it a sectarian issue while complaining to Ron about. And, they are trying to save Ron’s forum from sectarianism. They said that we Muslims should stick together as Muslims in these trying times. This excuse has been made every time since the demise of the Prophet (saws).

    The Muslims worship each and every sahaba (companions), more than 100,000 and despise the Prophet (saws). They try to hide the TRUTH under sectarianism. You cannot saying anything about companions or they will cut your throat, even though the companions lied, cheated, murdered, committed fornication and this included many sins you can think. But it is OK to post false hadiths which shows the Prophet in a demeaning manner, such as he married a child of six years, killed people for leaving Islam, he was a torturer and so forth. And, if anyone said this is not true was labeled as a Kafir Shia and haunted. This is the first time I have been able to write so openly. I still have to answer to the following post about two issue raised by some_loon. The two issues, which he raised are:

    There are ‘Quran-only’ Muslims, who claim the Quran is enough, that the hadith are illicit innovations. They seem to come mostly from Sunni communities, and are regarded as heretics.

    I hope and pray to God, for Ron to let this post through and allow me to respond. I live in fear and persecution, but I will continue the TRUTH, if I am allowed and not blocked!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  303. Mevashir says:
    @Jack McArthur

    I put it to you that you are a liar. You are not a follower of Jesus but another Jew attacking Christianity.

    It is a fact that NS Germany and Southern US States practiced brutal forms of eugenics pioneered by Sanger. I have overstated this regarding abortion. I accept what you wrote that generally Christian Churches condemn abortion. However is forced sterilization better? Both Judaism and Islam teach that self-sterilization is a serious sin. In Judaism a sterilized person is not permitted to marry or to be part of the community. So forced sterilization is a brutal assault upon a person’s sexuality and humanity. And yes this aspect of Christianity I am attacking. Just like the prophets of old.

    [MORE]

    About abortion: Torah law states that an adulterous woman who is convicted and subject to capital punishment is executed even if she is pregnant. The baby must die with her. This teaches that sometimes in God’s eyes the baby is not “innocent life” at all but shares the guilt of its mother. This should allow room for women who are pregnant in all sorts of unwanted and unplanned ways to be allowed to have abortions. That’s my personal opinion.

    I don’t attend any church since I think all of them promote false teachings or support criminal behavior by the State (eg, the almost universal support of American churches for the bogus war on [of] terror). If that makes me not a Christian in your eyes, so be it. Perhaps I will try praying to become as good a Christian as you believe you are.

    [As an aside on abortion, Torah law is very clear that the man who impregnates a woman must either marry her and support her or pay an enormous fine to her family. Why don’t Christians who oppose abortion propose laws to hold the biological father accountable? Why do they seem only to target the woman (rather like the Pharisees in John who demanded justice against the adulterous woman but allowed the adulterer man to get away scot-free)? So maybe you and all anti-abortion bible thumpers are a lot more like Pharisees than Christians.]

    I am a follower of Jesus, very imperfectly, but I eschew fellowship with toxic American Christianity, just like the desert Fathers of old. Shalom.

  304. @Jack McArthur

    I do not believe you or Mishaver – liars for “Yahweh” because you failed to answer straightforward questions, resorting to the well worn path of distorting apologetics that the “one true god” depends on. As somebody once sung “Gimme Some Truth”.

    Please see my post #313, in response to your post #307.

    Mohamed

  305. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    You don’t know my history on this forum. I am born Arab and born Shia. And, I went to USA for higher education, this was the wish of father who was indebted to good missionary, who build hospital and brought every thing with them, including cement, generators and so forth along with doctors and nurses, when there was no electricity in my country. My father wish for me was to go to USA, marry there and come back with a wife from there. This was in a way like paying his debts to USA and Christians. My tribe is very inbred, so I married in Arkansas to a WASP with inbred people. My wife’s grandfather was a country doctor and he 14 children. Their family reunion is usually more than 600 people and wear name tag of their father and spouses too. I am an old coot, and most of wife’s grandfather children are dead now. God bless them and keep their souls in peace.

    Very fascinating! Did your WASP wife convert to Islam? Did you move back home with her?

    I assume you studied engineering or some science here. Your English writing has many small errors that make me think you did not study humanities.

    Do you live in the USA Europe or the ME today?

    Shalom waSalaam

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  306. @Mevashir

    Very fascinating! Did your WASP wife convert to Islam? Did you move back home with her?

    I assume you studied engineering or some science here. Your English writing has many small errors that make me think you did not study humanities.

    Do you live in the USA Europe or the ME today?

    No she didn’t. We moved back to my home country in ME and still living there. I have BSBA in Accounting. MBA in Economic and Finance. I am a registered member of AICPA (American Institution of Certified Chartered Accountant). I am in debt to USA for giving me such fine education! And, lovely Southerners. I miss my family (in-laws)very much as they are God fearing Christians.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  307. @Mevashir

    It was the view of John the Damascene that Islam is a Christian heresy. Nowadays we do not use the word ‘heresy’ much. I’d say that Islam is a branch of Christianity. The idea that Christ was not crucified hadn’t been invented by Islam; it is a part of Gnostic teaching, unorthodox Christian school. Strange, but not more strange than accepting Jewish guidance in faith as some modern churchmen do))

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  308. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    If you miss your Southern American relatives, you might enjoy this concert by a famous Southern Gospel group called The Hoppers: https://vimeo.com/13720010

    You did not clarify if your wife converted to Islam. Did she learn to speak Arabic as well?

    Shalom waSalaam

    PS For some levity, here is a joke I just heard:

    Q: What is the difference between a crayfish and an attorney?

    A: One is a swamp dwelling bottom feeder, and the other is a kind of fish!

  309. Mevashir says:
    @israel shamir

    Thank you again Israel. Wow, I have never heard the idea of Islam being a branch of Christianity. I did read sometime back the idea that Islam could be seen as a reformist movement against the corruption and decadence of the Byzantine Orthodox Church, parallel to the Protestant Reformers against the Roman Catholic Church. Do you think this idea has credibility?

    In this perspective, how would we view Muhammad? Would he be seen as a reformer like Luther or Calvin? Or one of the Christian innovators like John Wesley or the founders of The Seventh-Day Adventists Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons?

    Here are a few other questions if you have time to answer:

    [MORE]

    1. I was baptized in the year 2000 and 2005 was my last year living in Israel. I worshipped with many of the Messianic Congregations in Jerusalem but found them to be rabid Zionists and almost completely unsympathetic to the Palestinians. Since returning to the US and learning more about the Palestinian perspective, I have come to believe that one reason that Christian Zionists marginalize the Palestinians is because most Palestinian Christians are either Maronite Catholic or Greek Orthodox, and American evangelicals have little knowledge of, and no sympathy with, these denominations. In fact I know that many Christian Zionist tours to the Holy Land intentionally avoid all of the famous Catholic and Orthodox pilgrimage sites, pleasing both themselves and their Israeli tour guides.

    2. There is a strange blogger in the UK who claims that the Quran never repudiates the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus but rather that this is a later Islamic interpretation of an ambiguous verse. (Leading to the popular Muslim claim that Jesus was raptured to heaven before the crucifixion and that Judas was crucified in his place.) Could this claim be true?

    https://jahtruth.net/koran.htm
    https://jahtruth.net/kcnot.htm
    That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God”;- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-Being used). . .

    3. Are you familiar with the Bright Stars of Bethlehem Christian charity organization? It sponsors a college in Bethlehem run by Lutheran Palestinian Pastor Mitri Raheb. Its students are both Muslims and Christians:
    https://www.mitriraheb.org/
    https://www.daralkalima.edu.ps/en/staff/our-team
    [email protected]
    https://brightstarsbethlehem.org/who-we-are/mitri-raheb/
    https://calvin.edu/directory/series/mitri-raheb

  310. You did not clarify if your wife converted to Islam. Did she learn to speak Arabic as well?

    You are not a good reader, but you write very well. A monkey can write very well too. I used to be a meticulous writer, dotting by i(s) and crossing my t(s). Then I found out that only very few are good readers. So, I quit being a good writer, and spent my time on being a good reader. I can spot things very quickly.

    I have in the past called out both Mr. Israel and Mr. Gilad Atzmon as gate keepers. Almost all Jewish writers on this site are gate keepers. I better be careful, before I am misunderstood.

    I have a extreme bad habit calling spade a spade!

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  311. @Mevashir

    Thank you again Israel. Wow, I have never heard the idea of Islam being a branch of Christianity.

    LOL! God has a chutzpah to send different religion on different countries, cultures, races and so forth, so that we can fight with each other till eternity. Isn’t One God creator of everything!

    O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into races and tribes, so that you may identify one another. Surely the noblest of you, in Allah’s sight, is the one who is most pious of you. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.

    https://quran.com/49/13

    Mohamed

  312. @Mevashir

    Thank you again Israel. Wow, I have never heard the idea of Islam being a branch of Christianity.

    Another chutzpah God has that He created us to take extreme delight to see majority of mankind to burn in hell for eternity. From raw meat to well-done kebabs, back to raw meat and …..

    You said you knew Hebrew. Here is a three letters root for you, RHM. I will put vowels and see if you know the meaning:
    RaHM =
    RaHMan =
    RaHiM =

    I am sure you know the meanings of the above three words,which I wrote above. If you don’t than email them to Rahm Emanuel who was the first chief of staff in Obama White House. He fought in Israel againt.. And, his father said that while his son a Jew, is the chief of staff to the President, where the Arabs are the janitors in the same White House. Then he was moved to Chicago to destroy it!

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  313. @Mevashir

    Now some news and kudos to Biden.

    Bennett-Biden meeting delayed to Friday due to deadly Kabul attacks

    Israeli delegation starts to make tentative preparations to stay in Washington over the weekend, as White House pushes back sit-down by a day, after US Marines among those killed. The much-anticipated meeting between Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and US President Joe Biden at the White House was postponed Thursday, after deadly attacks at Kabul airport.

    The meeting will now be held on Friday at 11:30 a.m. (6:30 p.m. Israel time), the White House announced. Due to the sit-down’s proximity to the Sabbath, Bennett will wait to return to Israel until Saturday night, his office said.

    Unfortunately, Israel Shamir is not on the grounds to verify facts as President Trump used to say most of the news is fake. Anyhow, with razor thin majority, Netanyahu is waiting in the wings to topple the government.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  314. Distorted mention is made above regarding Spain and memorial services for Adolf Hitler.

    The Falange remained at the center of the government. Franco shared their anti-Semitism, and he believed that Jews and Freemasons (whom he tried to eliminate in Spain) directed the Allied war effort. Thus, Franco continued to send war materials to Nazi Germany until May 1944, and he did not break diplomatic relations with Germany until May 1945, four days before the leaders of the Falange attended a requiem mass for Hitler.
    https://commonreader.wustl.edu/c/4249/

    The Jewish Chronicle magazine which said that in 1951 Franco had a mass said to celebrate Hitler and pray for his soul in the Church of San Jose in Madrid the capital of Spain. Sadly, the Catholic Church had supported Franco throughout the Civil War and its aftermath.
    https://www.wacarts.co.uk/misc/franco-and-his-support-and-collaboration-with-hitler-the-side-the-exhibition-did-show

    A memorial mass in Madrid for Hitler, to have marked the 22nd anniversary of his death this weekend [1967], was banned by the Archbishop of Madrid, it was reported here today from the Spanish capital. The Most Rev. Casimiro Morcilio issued the ban after a group reportedly associated with the Spanish Falange Party tried to arrange the service at a Madrid church.
    https://www.jta.org/archive/falange-groups-in-spain-display-pro-nazi-and-anti-semitic-sentiments

    Note that Nostra aetate was issued in October 1965.

    Meanwhile, after being quiet for a generation, Spanish students were demonstrating against an openly fascist regime that in April [1968] sanctioned a mass for Adolf Hitler in Madrid.
    1968: The Year That Rocked the World, Kurlansky, p. 82-83.

    For the head of the Catholic Church in Germany preparing an order for a requiem mass for Adolf Hitler see Klaus Scholder “A Requiem For Hitler: And Other New Perspectives On The German Church Struggle”
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3987155-a-requiem-for-hitler
    As Scholder notes:

    “So the [requiem mass] paper shows that all down the years the Cardinal was not in fact acting out of tactical considerations, but that despite all the insults to the church, the threats and the persecutions, he continued to see and respect Hitler as the Catholic state head of the Reich.

    In my opinion Cardinal Bertram would have to cancel it when he heard that suicide was involved.

  315. @Skeptikal

    Another chutzpah God has that He created us to take extreme delight to see majority of mankind to burn in hell for eternity. From raw meat to well-done kebabs, back to raw meat and …..

    RaHM = Womb, where life begin and preserved until birth.

    RaHMan = God’s Mercy, where all the pups are loved equally and indiscriminately.

    RaHiM = God’s Mercy, reserved for obedient pups.

    The very first verse of the Quran:

    بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

    In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful,the Especially Merciful.

    https://quran.com/1/1

    So, no hell for eternity. Heaven has 8 gates, where hell has 7 gates. Heaven is much bigger than hell. Slowly, slowly, most of the people will come out from hell, after a very long time and enter the biggest gate 8.

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  316. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    I think all people are gatekeepers of one kind or another, because everyone protects what is precious to him or her. What is unique about this website is we are able to dialogue between very different positions and viewpoints.

    Ron Unz may not have much of a Jewish identity, but he acts on this website like a Jewish matchmaker, bringing together people who try to create bonds of understanding communication and harmony. And that’s a very great thing!

    I am no kind of official gatekeeper because I have no official standing in any Community, unlike Ron or Israel Shamir or probably anyone else who writes on this website. I live in section 8 housing, I have been excluded by both the Christian and Jewish communities. I have a restraining order against me from one of the local synagogues and one of the local churches because they don’t like my outspoken ways of communicating, very similar to what you do.

    My children in Israel have refuse to communicate with me at all and changed their last name to disassociate themselves from me. My father, who is a traditional Jew, disinherited me. So if I’m a gatekeeper it’s a gatekeeper of my own conscience and I make no apologies for that.

    I try to dialogue with the good in every person. When I last lived in Israel I met a German girl who volunteered at a Christian organization. We were talking about 9/11 truth and I told her how much I despised President Bush II. I said to her that given a choice I would rather spend an hour having coffee with Adolf Hitler then with Bush, because he seems like such a moron. This poor girl turned white and almost fainted and told me if I said something like that back in Germany, even in jest, I would be arrested!

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    I can acknowledge that Hitler had many good points. He liked to read, he was cultured, he appreciated good art and music, he was articulate, he was a patriot, he cared about his German nation and their degradation after World War I, he was In that war a war hero and victim, he was a visionary. Certainly no American politician comes close to these characteristics. Maybe John F Kennedy or Abraham Lincoln long ago were similar.

    I am beginning to agree with Jack McArthur on this thread that you are shifty and dodge unpleasant questions. I provided strong evidence to you that the Bible text is much older and much more reliable than the Koran. That evidence is seen in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament from the second century BC and the Dead Sea Scrolls from the first century AD. I suggested that Muslims have tremendous chutzpah to come along nearly a thousand years later and claim to retroactively rewrite those sacred texts. Yet you had no comment.

    I spent a number of years involved with the Mormon Community. The city where I live in Colorado is considered to have the third strongest Mormon community in America. They are very active and very prestigious. Mormon leaders here are doctors engineers lawyers people of prestigious professional qualifications. I came to believe that the Mormon religion is very similar to Islam. Both religions claim to have produced a Latter-Day Prophet. Both religions have produced a text that they say is superior to the original biblical texts. Both religions claim to be the true fulfillment of the older religion. Both religions espouse polygamy as well.

    Mormons are a very impressive Community, but I do not believe the claims about their founder Joseph Smith and his book of Mormon. I believe this book was fabricated as religious literature with a strong emphasis on deceit. I learned a lot about this from the website of a man who was raised in a large Mormon family, became an atheist, had a long career as a homicide detective, and after his retirement became a born-again Christian. If you are interested in his arguments explaining the falsehoods of the Mormon religion see here:
    https://coldcasechristianity.com/tag/mormonism/

    I have met a Mormon man who came from a huge polygamous family. 14 wives married to one man. That man is in his seventies and recently took a fourteen-year-old bride. I’m pretty certain that Muslims would never behave in this manner which I think is detestable.

    I recently watched a YouTube clip of an interview with the former Saudi Ambassador to United States. This man went to university here and is extremely articulate in the English language. He speaks it far better than most Americans. And therefore because of the many mistakes in the way you write your comments here, I was skeptical that you studied in the United States. (Maybe your wife comes from a community of Southern hillbillies. They speak English about as well as they speak Arabic.)

    But in all honesty my critique of your English should not be taken seriously. You write it far better then I could write in Hebrew after living in Israel for 20 years. I know a handful of words in Arabic but I could never write it. So I commend you for your command of English. And please forgive me for criticizing it.

    I don’t wish to interact with you anymore because you keep dodging the questions that I think are important, such as the history of the biblical text, the lack of a musical tradition in Islamic worship, etc. You said you are an old man, so what do you have to lose by being candid?

    I wish you every blessing. Let me close with an appropriate joke:

    What do you call a person who speaks three languages? Trilingual.

    What do you call a person who speaks two languages? Bilingual.

    What do you call a person who speaks only one language? An American!

    Shalom waSalaam bismissua Al Masih Amen!

  317. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    This sounds like the Catholic concept of purgatory:

    “So, no hell for eternity. Heaven has 8 gates, where hell has 7 gates. Heaven is much bigger than hell. Slowly, slowly, most of the people will come out from hell, after a very long time and enter the biggest gate 8.”

  318. Mevashir says:
    @Larchmonter420

    In closing, I would like to mention the website of a Muslim convert to Christianity who lives in Colorado. He has the website with a number of books that can be downloaded for free did explore the differences between Christianity and Islam. I hope you will look into it:

    [MORE]

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5c11664445776e697a897a84/1620229059006-B2623E9FOINNDYKY1ILC/Nabeel+Photo.jpg?format=500w
    https://www.nabeeljabbour.com/books
    Dr. Jabbour has authored three books in Arabic and four in English: Unshackled and Growing: Muslims and Christians on the Journey to Freedom; The Rumbling Volcano on Islamic Fundamentalism; and The Unseen Reality on spiritual warfare. His latest book, The Crescent Through the Eyes of the Cross, on the Muslims worldview, has been reprinted eight times.

    https://www.nabeeljabbour.com/about
    Dr. Nabeel Jabbour is originally from Lebanon. He lived with his family in Egypt for fifteen years. He and his family moved to Colorado Springs in January 1991. Since 1997, the Jabbours have been U.S. citizens. Although Dr. Jabbour comes from an Arab Christian background, for the first fifty years of his life, Muslims were his neighbors, teachers, friends, roommates, and later his friends and students.

    While earning a doctorate in Islamics, Dr. Jabbour’s method of study was phenomenology. It is a method of study where the phenomenon is allowed to speak for itself resulting in a compassionate understanding of the phenomenon from the adherent’s point of view. He did not want to project his prejudice on Islam and Muslims and come to predetermined conclusions. Instead, he learned to put on Muslim worldview lenses, to stand in their shoes, and to see the world through their eyes.

    In the past Dr. Jabbour taught at several seminaries in North America and other parts of the world. Since June 2016, Dr. Jabbour has been teaching free of charge his course on Islam and Geopolitics of the Middle East in Colorado Springs and wherever he gets invited to teach.

    One of those who took his course on Islam and the Geopolitics of the Middle East wrote:

    Never before have I had a class affect me as much as this one has. It’s amazing how freeing knowledge is.

    A physician who took the course wrote:

    This was one of the most influential educational experiences I have had.

    Another person who took the course wrote:

    Thank you again for this challenging and enjoyable course. I would take it again in a heartbeat.

    Dr. Jabbour is a million miler and has visited most of the Islamic countries in the world. Because he has lived in the United States since 1991, he has come to understand both worlds of the Arab and Muslim world on one hand and the American and Christian world on the other. He has learned to interpret the “strange” phenomena of Islam and Islamic Fundamentalism to people in the West, and especially to Christians.

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  319. Islam originally looked like a new version of judeochristianity, and certainly a heresy looking from a standpoint of Paulian christianity (anyone noticed Pope Francis disparaging Mosaic Law recently …?).

    Islam, however, did not origin from the gnostic heresies of Christianity (later gnostic Ismailism is LATER), as the author of this article would like. In other words, if anything, Islam is a child of Dead Sea Scrolls, not of Nag Hammadi library.

    I sometimes wondered whether St John Revelation 19:11-21 does not speak about Muhammad and Arabs, considering that St John Revelation comes from judeochristian milieu.

    19.13 “and his name is called The Word of God” – a prophet

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    , @Jack McArthur
  320. Mevashir says:
    @Mevashir

    My previous comment has a mistake. Nabeel Jabbour was raised as a Lebanese Christian, although he is an academic authority on Islam. From his website cited above:

    Although Dr. Jabbour comes from an Arab Christian background, for the first fifty years of his life, Muslims were his neighbors, teachers, friends, roommates, and later his friends and students.

  321. Mevashir says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Interesting you should mention Revelation 19. I have wondered if the verse that talks about the rider on the White horse whose name is true and faithful refers to the Roman Emperor Constantine, who granted Christianity official recognition by the Roman government.

    The following link on my blog contains a very long commentary I wrote comparing the Koran with the Bible. I discovered that the Koran contains many Gnostic Gospel Legends about the life of Jesus. So I’m not sure why you claim that Islam does not derive from Gnostic Christianity:
    https://mevashir.home.blog/2019/12/19/korn-quran-crown-%d7%a7%d7%a8%d7%9f-%d7%a7%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%90%d7%9f-%d7%a7%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%9f/

  322. @Mevashir

    Constantine the Great only got baptized at his deathbbed. He wasn’t also succesful in external wars. He wasn’t a prophet too.
    Constantine tried to take control of Christianity without really becoming a Christian, exactly as his slogan ‘In his name be victorious’ said – I would say this is a defnition of a hypocrite.
    And hypocrites are a concern in Quran, likewise in Apocalypse where they are known as ‘those who claim they are Jews but are not”.

    The basic rule of Islam, AFAIK, is tawhid, the supremacy of monotheism. I would say that gnosticism is incompatible with tawhid. The Neoplatonic theory of emanations had to be brought to reconcile gnosticism and Islam, but this is a later addition.

    But theology is easy to manipulate. One rule to check where someone comes are kin marriages, the ban on which is the basic concern of Dead Sea Scrolls. It does exist only in Askhenazic Judaism (non-Maimonides followers), Karaims, and pre-Protestant Christian denominations. Already the first reformer, Luther, allowed marriages of relatives.
    For whom that may be important? For some who believe to be progeny of fallen angels, obsessively trying to preserve their ‘purity’.
    Why Islam did not ban kin marriages? Hard to know, but this tradition is one of hardest to uproot.
    For example, Southern Italy before 1900 had a very high percentage of relatives marriages, around 40-50%, so religion itself is not enough.

    Lebanon has been a hotbed of heresies for centuries, and it is also incredibly inbred. Allegedly everyone is at least a 3-degree relative of everyone there. So I wouldn’t rely much on someone coming from there.

  323. @Mevashir

    Messianic Congregations in Jerusalem but found them to be rabid Zionists

    Indeed; these Jews want to be special-status-Christians, and this concept is foreign to Christianity.
    I’d advise you to go to a normal Apostolic church, Catholic or Orthodox; follow their routine, go to their prayers, and your soul will find peace.

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  324. @Another Polish Perspective

    Maronite Church obviously allows relatives marriages, despite being a pre-Lutheran one.

    As per teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Catholic Church, people who insist on marrying their relatives deny their brotherhood with the rest of humanity:

    “The welfare of the social order, according to St. Augustine (City of God XV.16) and St. Thomas (Suppl. Q. liii, a. 3), demanded the widest possible extension of friendship and love among all humankind, to which desirable aim the intermarriage of close blood-relations was opposed”

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm

    From the fact that relatives marriages were banned in ancient Rome until the Second Punic War, we can deduce the Carthaginian/Phoenician/Lebanese influence changed the Roman mos maiorum after that.

  325. @Another Polish Perspective

    Protestant/Calvinist concept of predestination seems to be akin to Druse (one of Islamic heresies from Lebanon) idea of fixed number of Druse souls in the universe. Since Druses were first, it could even be the origin of Protestant thought in this regard.

    Likewise, a hidden pentagram is a symbol of both Druses (as a 5-pointed star) and Protestants (as 5-petals flower centered at heart symbol).

  326. @Another Polish Perspective

    Druzes – Islam for Phoenicians
    Maronites – Christianity for Phoenicians
    Sephardim – Judaism for Phoenicians

    Hypocrites inflitrate everything.

    If you ever listened to a Sephardi Jew waxing how Jews are loved in South America and comparing it to their paradise lost, Al-Andalus, you will realize it is true.

    And one of the most popular saints in Mexico is Saint Charbel, a Maronite saint. The Lebanese rule Mexico as oligarchy with Carlos Slim at the head.

  327. @Another Polish Perspective

    Today in Egyptian calender is Feast of Thoth who invented hieroglyphs “god(s) words”. The Book of Revelations has many links to Ancient Egypt. The female counterpart of Thoth is Seshat who is patron of accounting (mentioned above).

    • Thanks: Alfred
  328. Mevashir says:
    @israel shamir

    Indeed; these Jews want to be special-status-Christians, and this concept is foreign to Christianity.

    I think they also want to be special status Jews: accepted fully as a branch of Judaism without challenging the other branches. In other words a non-evangelical form of Jewish Messianism.

    Regarding Muhammad:

    Moshe Yeshua Muhammad —> acronym MaYiM [water]

    Is our commenter Mohamed correct saying the Hebrew root of Muhammad is MHD rather than HMD? I thought it is derived from HaMuD meaning beloved or dear one.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  329. Mevashir says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Constantine the Great only got baptized at his deathbed. He wasn’t also successful in external wars. He wasn’t a prophet too.

    Neither were the Apostles [Peter Andrew James John …] prophets. Constantine is called Brother of the Apostles by the Catholic and Orthodox churches, and he and his mother Helena are canonized saints.

    He is at least as great as Cyrus the Great, who is called God’s Anointed [Messiah] in the Book of Isaiah, even though he never renounced his Zoroastrian faith.

  330. Pity that this thread has turned into a religious discussion. It would be nice to return to our regularly scheduled programming. It’s not as if nothing is happening in Afghanistan these days, and the death of those marines certainly is not “sheer joy”, regardless of which side of the debate you fall on.

  331. Alfred says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    From the fact that relatives marriages were banned in ancient Rome until the Second Punic War

    This had little to do with the prevention of inbreeding. Tribal societies require marriage between relatives. The best way to break up tribes is by preventing marriage between relatives.

    Later than the period you mentioned, the Catholic Church in Ireland prevented the marriage of even third-cousins. This effectively broke up the tribes of Ireland. In recent years, they relaxed these rules as the tribes no longer exist.

    As for second, third, and other cousins, however, their degree of consanguinity is farther removed — they are related in the fifth, sixth, and even further degrees of the collateral line. According to canon 1091, therefore, these cousins can get married in the Catholic Church.

    Can Cousins Marry in the (Catholic) Church

  332. sarz says:
    @Anon

    The AIPAC crowd is worried about what Biden is up to. The Neocon mouthpiece online magazine, Tablet, featured a piece a few months back by two leading shabbos goys dealing with what they feared was the Realignment. Given what Biden has done in Afghanistan, and given that the Iranis have not given up on getting some sort of relief from sanctions, maybe something decent at the expense of hardline Israelis is in the works.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/realignment-iran-biden-obama-michael-doran-tony-badran

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  333. @sarz

    The AIPAC crowd is worried about what Biden is up to.

    Biden sends Bennett empty handed. Bennett had planned his meting with Biden for a very long time. The meeting was set for last Thursday. It was cancelled and reschedule for Friday, twice cancelled, eventually was given 25 minutes. The meeting was held over lunch and Bennett people were thrilled it lasted 45 minutes. Wow, how much one can talk during meal and how many charts can be shown.

    Then they both gave a short speech. Biden went first and promised that Iran will not nuclear on his watch, fake promise as both Biden and Bennett it BS. The Bennett spoke, and the end he tanked Biden on behalf of him and Israel. Biden responded you should thank Obama. Bennett responded, please thank him on our behalf.

    You think Israel Shamir will tell you this! He missed the ball, as he had his eyes on Afghanistan!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  334. @Alfred

    Your thesis does not make sense since there was a great deal of blood letting in Rome during the Second Punic War, which would increase the danger of inbreeding.
    As it is, Rome had just 35 tribes (tribus), and only 4 of them were urban ones, so it does not look like that inbreeding was rooted in tribes, and even if, Roman tribes were large enough to avoid it.

    Cato the Elder constant raving not only against Carthage, but against the downfall of mores (moral customs) may suggest that these two topics have been somehow connected and Carthage indeed started a slow inflitration of Rome. From the fact that Cato the Elder nowadays is usually depicted as a raving lunatic, you can infer that Carthage finally won, in this war lasting centuries. The relaxation of ban on kin marriages is another tacit sign of it, I would say.

    The origins of ban on kin marriage has always been religious ones, and I do not think Catholic Church, or Judaism, enacted it due to practical considerations, which somehow escaped other cults and religions. For that, you would have to find areas where the bans were not enacted due to previous lack of inbreeding traditions.

  335. @Mevashir

    Constantine is called what he himself wanted to be called, and this title of ‘Brother of Apostles’ aka ’13th Apostle’ is his invention. He was undoubtedly a great benefactor of Church, so no wonder that he is a saint.
    The question was, however, why he should be a guy from Revelation 19. There is no reason for that,really.

    The interesting point, however, is why his mother Helene, of allegedly low [read: “unknown”] origins, is saint. If you realize the bad reputation of powerful women in Rome (Agrippina [mother of Nero], Julia Domna [mother of Heliogabalus], Messalina, Faustina the Younger [mother of Commodus]), this is a significant divergence from a pattern, something like from a whore to a saint.
    It seems somehow strange, that as soon as we get a new deity or a saint, we get a female counterpart now.
    Jesus – Mary the Virgin, Mary Magdalene, Mary Salome
    Constantine the Great – Helene the mother
    Muhammad – Aisha (despite the prophet having other daughters).

    Who is bringing about this decisively non-scriptural development…?!

    or maybe, Osiris/Horus needs his Isis…?

    • Thanks: Mevashir
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  336. @Cloak And Dagger

    You are wrong.

    Hierarchy of powers is like that:
    religious > economic > political > military

    Political and military power sometimes exchange places.

    Religion is the only ideology people are really ready to die; an intensified policy (eg. Nazism and Fuehrer) becomes a religion.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if American soldiers in Afghanistan died in order to fulfill a certain prophecy from the Book of Daniel.

  337. Mevashir says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Very interesting comment. Thanks.

    Muhammad – Aisha (despite the prophet having other daughters).

    I think Aisha was his wife not daughter. She was only nine when they were betrothed.

    I recommend the books of Dr Leonard Shlain, who was a neurosurgeon but wrote about human cultural evolution. This is particularly a good one that discusses the role of goddesses in the ancient world and why monotheistic religions tried to stamp them out. It turns out Catholicism actually makes a pretty good balance between the new and the old:

    https://leonardshlain.com/books/
    https://www.alphabetvsgoddess.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEULWjZ82ZE

  338. @Mevashir

    They will install 3D printed statues of Mao in the gaps left by the Buddhas of Bamiyan. The Taliban will refuse and explain that Buddha was in fact a Muslim after all and would have approved of the destruction of his images. Finally the Chinese will put back 3D copies of the old Buddhas so as to make the place touristic, with the promise never to prostrate before the statues.

  339. @Mevashir

    Sorry for mistake, I am not Islam expert.

    I was of course meaning Fatima, the wife of Ali (Nevertheless, pairing Muhammad with Aisha is also significant)
    I remember I lost sympathy to shi’a when I learnt that Muhammad had quite a couple of wifes, a quite couple of sons, and quite a couple of daughters. What initially looked like a quasi-natural development started to look like a introduction of BLOODLINE, despite Muhammad being “the seal of the prophets”. Any muslim reader is invited to respond to the following question: why Fatima, Ali should be important at all when Muhammad is the last prophet…?
    Also pretty suspicious is the fate of the rest of Muhammad children. It is almost like promoters of Fatima wanted to disappear everyone else.

    I am well aware of the problem of the Great Mother/Goddess. Alone looking like a reasonable proposition, my main problem with it is that she is almost always connected to the much more sinister problem of bloodlines, of inbreeding etc. Contrary to propaganda, matriarchy is not about equality.

    In my list of hated Roman women above, except Messalina, all are mothers of emperors, in tandems shaped like Isida-Horus. Just a small correction, Julia Domna was a mother of Caracalla, who made every free person in Imperium Romanum a Roman citizen, thus ending privileges of civis Romanus, in other words, legally flooding Rome with immigrants. The sister of Julia Domna, Julia Maesa, is said to be an emperor- maker in case of Heliogabalus and Severus Alexander, her grandchildren.
    The father of both Julias was a priest of El-Gabal (a form of Baal), the name giver of emperor Heliogabalus.

  340. In my list of hated Roman women above, except Messalina, all are mothers of emperors, in tandems shaped like Isida-Horus. Just a small correction, Julia Domna was a mother of Caracalla, who made every free person in Imperium Romanum a Roman citizen, thus ending privileges of civis Romanus, in other words, legally flooding Rome with immigrants. The sister of Julia Domna, Julia Maesa, is said to be an emperor- maker in case of Heliogabalus and Severus Alexander, her grandchildren.

    On this day in an ancient Egyptian calendar Tjaru is liberated and the eviction of the Hyksos, quite likely linked to the Exodus, enters the final stages. A scribe from the Hyksos side noted on the verso of the Rhind mathematical that stormy weather (highly unusual) erupted on the birthday of Seth which occurred during this phase.

    The Hyksos are reported in the New Kingdom as having worshipped a form of Seth in a monolatric way and it seems reasonable to look here for the roots of monotheism. In the late period Egyptians identified the god of the Jews with Seth and that both are associated with desert and storm is maybe not coincidence. Manetho in the late period, possibly conflating two strands of history, describes how the evicted would build what we know as Jerusalem.

    In contrast to the women mentioned above, who are echoed today in figures like Merkel and a whole host of females/weak men (led by the noses) opening the doors to barbarians, the era of the Hyksos eviction is marked by two extraordinary women. Queen Ahhotep is mother to Ahmose – the King who evicted the Hyksos after 100 years of oppression. She played a decisive role in the campaign (recorded on surviving stele). The sister and wife of the King, Queen Ahmose Nefertari, was to become the most venerated woman in Ancient Egypt whose titles include “Mother of Egypt” and “Lady of the Resurrection”.

    The difference between Egypt then and the West now is that a significant pocket of resistance to the Hyksos survived in Wasat (modern Luxor) amongst a strongly conservative royal family that never forgot that Egypt was Ta deseret (sacred land).

    The msm did not exist in Ancient Egypt and mind forged manacles are more effective than iron chains. There should be no surprise that the spirit of the chosen rushed to take command of the msm. There is no strong man on the horizon, no saviour like King Ahmose. It is a complete rout, evil seems to have conquered, and that is why the only myth which is in play is that of end times as best I can see.

    Contrary to what some think “end times” predates the bible and there are at least two texts from Ancient Egypt which describe the overthrow of the existing order and one perhaps indicating a new cycle of creation.

  341. gsjackson says:
    @israel shamir

    If I’m remembering correctly, the Taliban said they would give bin Laden to the U.S. if proof could be provided that he was responsible for 9/11, which the U.S. did not/could not do. As the Taliban probably knew.

  342. @Mevashir

    I think Aisha was his wife not daughter. She was only nine when they were betrothed.

    Prophet’s (saws) two wives, Aisha the daughter of first Caliph Abu Bakr and Hafsa the daughter of second Caliph Omar, both these two wives in the Holy Quran are called, liars and destined for hell. Read complete chapter 66 of the Holy Quran which only has 12 verses in total.

    The fake Islamic history is full of Aisha singing her own songs. The Jewel of Medina and Satanic Verse are based on these songs of Aisha, praising her own self.

    Mohamed

  343. Since Egyptians preferred (mostly) the triad of holy father – holy mother – holy child, Osiris – Isis – Horus (another was Ptah-Sachmet-Nefertum), Set was unwelcome.

    BTW, the Star Child in Kubrick ‘Space Odyssey’ is such a Divine Child, this time instead of monoliths – a true Messiah. A joke and a prophecy in one.

    God – Mary – Jesus is the same schema. It is even more Egyptian since Mary was from Earth, and in the divine triad the female is sometimes a human too, in order to prove a semi-divine origins of her son, a pharaoh. It was also tried in cases of queens-like-pharaohs, for example, Hatsheputs was to be a semi-divine daughter of Amon (god) and Ahmes (human female).

    Nevertheless, Set was always manly (depicted in red color) whereas Horus was sometimes in yellow, the colour of women. Was Horus the early bi guy…?
    Who knows (well, Set knows, for those who know the story), but homosexuals were called gays (joyful) already in ancient Egypt.

    The Land of Kemet seems to be more female than male in character, so understandably Egyptians, like a battered wife, would see in Yahweh an unruly Set, but that is not right. If anything, Yahwe was a heavenly father, the main god of Indoeuropeans, in Egypt known as the supreme god Aton during the reign of heretic Echnaton, depicted usually as an androgyne (another bi guy? this dynastic inbreeding was taking its weight, apparently).

  344. Being of feminine nature, some Egyptians decided to left with Hyksos/Israelites, in search of greener pastures in desert, apparently. So maybe they were Set followers after all…?

    In Torah they are known as troublesome lot of erev rav, always complaining etc. In words of Quran, hypocrites probably.

  345. Since Egyptians preferred (mostly) the triad of holy father – holy mother – holy child, Osiris – Isis – Horus (another was Ptah-Sachmet-Nefertum), Set was unwelcome.

    For most of Egyptian history reconciliation of Horus and Seth was sought in the person of the divine King. An epithet of a Queen is “She who sees Horus and Seth”. Only in the late period does Seth become the precursor of Satan in Christianity and Islam. Prior to this he is the ambiguous Satan like figure in the Book of Job who is still in the court of heaven. In some-ways the fall of Satan in the NT is anticipated by the fall of Seth in Ancient Egypt.

    BTW, the Star Child in Kubrick ‘Space Odyssey’ is such a Divine Child, this time instead of monoliths – a true Messiah. A joke and a prophecy in one.

    Being born again as star child is one mode of existence in the Egyptian afterlife.

    Nevertheless, Set was always manly (depicted in red color) whereas Horus was sometimes in yellow, the colour of women. Was Horus the early bi guy…?

    There are too many exceptions for such a firm color symbolism. The most recent scholarly paper I have read concludes:

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    This article has addressed issues with such approaches, with respect to both the ancient choices and modern interpretations, concluding that, in seeking a symbolic motivation for color use in ancient Egyptian art with respect to sex, one would do well to heed the words of Max Planck:

    “If by lucky chance we succeed in solving a problem, we experience a sense of deliverance and rejoice over the enrichment of our knowledge. But it is a different story, and highly annoying, to discover after tedious efforts that the problem is incapable of solution — either because there exists no indisputable method of solving it or, because soberly looked at, it is void of meaning — a phantom problem on which our labors and thoughts were wasted. There are a good many such phantom problems — in my opinion, far more than is ordinarily assumed”.

    The description of judgement after death makes it clear homosexual behaviour is a sin which is difficult to reconcile with the assertion that “homosexuals were called gays (joyful) already in ancient Egypt”. I have never encountered such a text. Does your source also claim that the biblical David and Jonathan were joyful gays?

    The Land of Kemet seems to be more female than male in character, so understandably Egyptians, like a battered wife, would see in Yahweh an unruly Set, but that is not right.

    The Creator in the form of Atum is described as the Great He-She containing both male and female attributes which would become manifest as creation unfolds into a differentiated cosmos when the One becomes the many. That being said Atum is always depicted as male as best I know (but see below).

    The Egyptians lacked the brutality that characterised the rest of the ANE and even much later the Greco/Roman world but they were not hippies either. In a dog eat dog world Ancient Egypt emerged as the first great nation state and survived for millennia. Even quite late in its history when every other great civilization of the Mediterranean Sea collapsed in the face of the Sea People invasions (ushering in the first great dark age) it was Egypt alone under Ramses III who crushed them i.e. those whom you describe as feminine whipped the conquerors of your macho nations. Oh that the West was led by such feminine rulers who expelled the Hyksos, defeated the Sea Peoples and created such a long lasting civilization!

    The main plot line is that Seth comes with gifts which turn to death. I believe he is the earliest known manifestation of the trickster god. You will recall the cries of the Israelites who feel they have been lured into the desert, their wanting to return to Egypt, paralleling Sethian gifts albeit the biblical text tries to mitigate through quails and manna. The golden calf is known in Ancient Egyptian texts and is a form of Horus-King, i.e. legitimate monarchy which in myth is disputed by Seth who is especially associated with desert. In this context the Exodus account becomes another form of the Horus and Seth dispute which leads to the death of many who chose Horus, the legitimate ruler.

    If anything, Yahwe was a heavenly father, the main god of Indoeuropeans, in Egypt known as the supreme god Aton during the reign of heretic Echnaton, depicted usually as an androgyne (another bi guy?

    King Akhenaton is most likely shown as you describe through identification with the Creator (see the Great He-She above), Hapi the Nile god whose bounty fed Egypt and the procurement of which was closely associated with the King. There is possibly also an assimilation of Shu and Tefnut. Ancient Egyptians seemed happy with complementary takes of the divine sphere.

    When Yahweh first appears in Ancient Egypt he has a divine consort. The Jews in Elephantine, who appear to be in good standing with Jerusalem, worshipped both.

    some Egyptians decided to left with Hyksos/Israelites, in search of greener pastures in desert, apparently. So maybe they were Set followers after all…?

    I do not know how many would fall into such a category. The Hyksos ruled for over 100 years so generations would have grown up knowing only these infiltrators who sacrificed Egyptian girls in front of their tombs. As mentioned before the Hyksos are described as having only worshipped one god, a form of Seth, which was not an Egyptian way but does echo the one-god-ism which would emerge later.

  346. @Jack McArthur

    Yes, homosexuality was condemned in the Book of Death, but demotic papyri suggest both male (hemti tchai) and female homsexual prostitutes (tchai hemut), did exist.
    My source claims that adult-adult intercourse was actually morally neutral (not so with children).

    The manliness of Egyptians, despite their widespread veneration of phallus, is discutable. It is true they expelled Hyksos and defeated Sea Peoples, but in order to expell Hyksos, those Hyksos had to be let in in the first place. As for Sea People, well, they were probably tired already after all that plundering. I am just curious what had happened to their severed penises, presented to Ramses, as depicted in Medina Habu. They were eaten? burnt? buried?
    Besides Sea People, almost everyone who coveted this, did conquer Egypt: Persians, Arabs, Romans, Greeks (Alexander the Great), whereas Egypt was barely able to control Palestine, sometimes.

    Even if Egypt was a nicer civilization than Aztecs, there was a suffocating sense of stagnation there for lower classes, so maybe they weren’t very devoted soldiers, as they were peasants or mercenaries from Nubia or Sardinia (Shardans). It was clearly a hierarchic (‘hieratic’) country, with a very vertical organization. It was a problem of Egypt that it had no fighting social class nor fighting ethos.. In Rome, becoming a soldier often lead to social advance, but not in Egypt.

    I wouldn’t say Creator is both He-She, just that an act of procreation (which Geb can do with himself) is fundamental to creation. In Egypt, an act of procreation does not necessitates female and male counterpart.
    Personally, I would still prefer Greece or Rome.

    First heard that Hyksos were devotees of human sacrifice, and female ones too (unusual, as usually male children were sacrificed to Baal in Carthage, as a token of full devotion).

    The golden calf was obviously Phoenician Baal, which in Egypt would be Osiris, and in Greece – Dionisios. Interestingly, the Romans did not like Egypt, and did not like Bacchanalia too. But golden statues, even of gods, were not popular in Egypt AFAIK.

  347. True story. In early 90’s at the airport I watched a business man turning red with rage as he remonstrated with a lady from the airline because his seat was already taken (in those days airlines regularly overbooked business class on the basis that an average x% would cancel/rearrange flights).

    I felt sorry for the woman because it was not her fault and the man was obnoxious so when she came to me I explained that I had a meeting arranged in Tokyo for the next morning and if she could find me any place, e.g. back of the plane economy, then I would be very appreciative. I never saw the hotheaded man again and assumed that all his angry talk had got him nowhere. When the lady returned she handed me a first class ticket so I travelled to Japan in unaccustomed style.

    There is a passage in the Instruction of Ptahhotep that most(?) scholars date to the pyramid age in which the one who spouts evil speech to a child of Kemit will be left boatless by the gods when leaving this life and that is my thought for the day.

  348. If Set were to be Jahwe, who would be Satan then…?!

    This is a significant problem with the theory Set = Jahwe, since structural relationships among gods are usually preserved, even if their names change.

  349. A lot of people today may have a bit false ideas of ancient Egypt today. Due to its many temples, they may think that Egyptians were very spiritual people, kind of Buddhists as Buddhists are seen today in the West. But Egyptians were pretty materialistic, down-to-earth people as disclosed in papyri, with many religious ceremonies being rather literal, like women showing their bottom to Apis the bull.

    In a sense, you could say the Egyptian religion expresses Genesis 1: ‘Be fruitful and multiply’.

    Gospels stories about masters and servants may originally come from Egypt too, since great landholders (c0ntext of the stories) were untypical for Judea in the time of Jesus (whoever he really was).

    Egypt was a theocracy, probably akin to Tibet of yesterday, and Egyptians peasants were probably like Tibetan peasants – illiterate devotees of magic and spells. The fact that Echnaton reforms did not result in any immediate revolt suggest ordinary Egyptians weren’t really into theology too.

  350. Yes, homosexuality was condemned in the Book of Death, but demotic papyri suggest both male (hemti tchai) and female homsexual prostitutes (tchai hemut), did exist.
    My source claims that adult-adult intercourse was actually morally neutral (not so with children).

    The Egyptian title of the work is “The Book of Going Forth into the Day” or close variant. That sin happens in every community does not make the sin ok. I have read practising homosexuals, who cannot admit they are less than perfect, spin the bible to say the same. The woke brigade that rules academia are present in Egyptology and perhaps it is no coincidence that a well known Egyptologist today who has written a fully woke anti-Egytpian history is also a practising homosexual?

    The manliness of Egyptians, despite their widespread veneration of phallus, is discutable.

    The erect penis in iconography is an exaltation and divination of potent fertile masculinity. Remember they were evicted from the Garden of Osiris because of your behaviour and as a result nakedness instead of being a state of innocence becomes porn/evil east of the gate.

    It is true they expelled Hyksos and defeated Sea Peoples, but in order to expell Hyksos, those Hyksos had to be let in in the first place.

    There was a tradition from ancient times that those suffering from drought and famine in Palestine were allowed to graze in the delta area (cf. Breasted ancient records). The Hyksos bit the hand that fed them and by stealth and without a battle took over the host. Does this remind you of anything in the modern world?

    As for Sea People, well, they were probably tired already after all that plundering.

    Mean spirited.

    Besides Sea People, almost everyone who coveted this, did conquer Egypt: Persians, Arabs, Romans, Greeks (Alexander the Great), whereas Egypt was barely able to control Palestine, sometimes.

    All this happens in the last millennium and important markers have survived (providentially?) for us to note today. Breasted wrote the decline begins when the high priest of Amun portraying himself on a level with the King. Egypt was founded on divine monarchy and when that goes so does Egypt. The King who saved Egypt from the Sea Peoples was murdered by evil people within the palace and this signalled the fall indicating that the sacred land was destroyed from within just like the West today.

    Even if Egypt was a nicer civilization than Aztecs, there was a suffocating sense of stagnation there for lower classes, so maybe they weren’t very devoted soldiers, as they were peasants or mercenaries from Nubia or Sardinia (Shardans). It was clearly a hierarchic (‘hieratic’) country, with a very vertical organization. It was a problem of Egypt that it had no fighting social class nor fighting ethos.. In Rome, becoming a soldier often lead to social advance, but not in

    Why pick out Aztecs when they appear many thousands of years after Kemit becomes a nation state other than you think Azects= very bad and have pyramid like constructions so lets place them in a similar league ?. You speculate about what the ordinary people thought but we can read this from thousands of years before you were born:

    “And since the kings followed so righteous a course in dealing with their subjects, the people manifested a goodwill towards their rulers which surpassed even the affection they had for their own kinsmen; for not only the order of the priests but, in short, all the inhabitants of Egypt were less concerned for their wives and children and their other cherished possessions than for the safety of their kings”. Diodorus Siculus

    I wouldn’t say Creator is both He-She,

    No you wouldn’t but that is not the issue.

    just that an act of procreation (which Geb can do with himself) is fundamental to creation.

    You are mixed up with names and acts. Egypt is incarnational and the whole of creation is filled with divine meaning and symbolism.

    .First heard that Hyksos were devotees of human sacrifice, and female ones too (unusual, as usually male children were sacrificed to Baal in Carthage, as a token of full devotion).

    Human sacrifice was present with the Hebrews. Jepthah sacrifices his daughter through the “Holy Spirit” descending on him. King Ahmose stopped human sacrifice when he retook Heliopolis from the Hyksos. Abraham rushing to sacrifice Isaac at the command of Yahweh is in contrast to the Ancient Egyptian ancestor text in which an “Abraham” affirms the sanctity of human life. The so called “blood libel” which was confirmed in recent years by a Jewish scholar appears to a have a long history.

    The golden calf was obviously Phoenician Baal, which in Egypt would be Osiris, and in Greece – Dionisios.

    So at least a thousand years before the Phoenicians existed the Ancient Egyptians somehow saw into the future and copied them? I do not think so.

    But golden statues, even of gods, were not popular in Egypt AFAIK.

    The earliest evidence from what scholars take as being the formation of the nation state includes a golden Horus. Here is one of Amun from the New Kingdom.
    https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/544874

    If Set were to be Jahwe, who would be Satan then…?! This is a significant problem with the theory Set = Jahwe, since structural relationships among gods are usually preserved, even if their names change.

    No. David in the bible does not know at times if it is Satan or Yahweh who is inspiring him. Jesus tells the Jews their father is the devil. The bible represents the conflation of different pov’s.

    A lot of people today may have a bit false ideas of ancient Egypt today.

    Based on the above, so do you.

    Due to its many temples, they may think that Egyptians were very spiritual people, kind of Buddhists as Buddhists are seen today in the West.

    Herodotus wrote in the 5th century bc (long after the peak of Egyptian civilization) that the Egyptians “were the most religious of all peoples” but they are not nihilistic and they are creationists i.e the material world and body are not evil albeit they reach their perfection in the next.

  351. Mention is made earlier in the above comments regarding bovine coloring i.e. red or yellow. In Ancient Egyptian texts the color is red and the gender is male i.e. an ox. It is slaughtered as being a form of Seth (1550, rof p.234). Before this the King stands atop the ox which imo recalls the myth that rightful Kingship belongs to Horus and Seth is made to carry Osiris (the King in the other world) because of what he did to him in this world.

    The other principle animal associated with Seth is the ass (possibly because of its recalcitrant behaviour) and the Hyksos were buried with theirs. An Egyptian would likely have recognised Jesus in the gospels being carried by an ass into Jerusalem (Matt 21:7), with the crowd acknowledging his kingship, as Seth carrying Horus-Osiris (the gospels seem to fuse two dimensions i.e. this world and the next) with the Davidic Kingship paralleling the Egyptian.

    I wonder if the ancient charge that Jews worshipped the ass goes back much further than many think (i.e. to the Hyksos and their worship of Seth) and is seeded by much older Egyptian Sethian associations.
    https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2027-ass-worship

  352. The famous Wen-Amun papyrus proves that Phoenicians were around in the time of Hyksos. To claim otherwise is an obvious mistake, an attempt to hide Phoenicians once again. BTW, Wen-Amun is a rather despondent, not very manly, Egyptian priest on the mission to buy cedar timber for Amun; the story is worth reading.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_Wenamun

    In fact, there is a credible, even if unprovable, theory that it was Phoenicians who engineered Sea People storm in order to destroy their competition (Ugarit), their direct threat (Hatti) and lash their main client, Egypt, for not relying enough on them but instead, on Ugarit. The theory notes that Phoenicia alone was left in peace by Sea People.

    https://phoenician.org/sea_peoples/

    Phoenicians are an answer to the part of JQ, namely the Sephardi Jewish problem. That such a problem exists is hinted by Disraeli through the name of one of his characters, Sidonia (a play on Sidon), the relative lack of Sephardim in Holocaust, as well as the current obsession with Al-Andalus as the Jewish paradise lost.
    Phoenicians and Egyptians actually play on the same side too, as hinted by Psalm 87, obviously NOT about Jahwe, praising Mount Zion (which is not a synonym for Jerusalem, but a mountain in Lebanon), Babylon, Egypt, Tyre, and Kush. They are all pre-adamites, whereas real Jews were adamites, as hinted by the problem of double creation of man in Genesis, and the concept of two seeds, of serpent, and of woman.
    Without knowing this broad context, it is impossible to discern when ‘Lord’ in the Bible means Jahwe, and when it refers to Satan/Marduk/Baal.
    There are some hints that Davidian branch comes from the latter, not least the very untypical for Jahwe unconditional promise of his grace to his descendants. David’s father, Jesse, was from the tribe of Ephraim, who was half-Egyptian. The tribe of Ephraim, after being heavily lambasted by prophets, was removed from the list of saved in St John of Patmos Revelation (John Evangelist, and John of Patmos are not the same person, obviously).
    It does not make sense how Messiah is to be from Ephraim, and yet Ephraim is not saved in the Last Hour. The question is valid for every ‘Davidian’ Messiah, not just Jesus.

    I extensively discussed the Phoenician/Jewish problem in the comments to the following article:

    https://www.unz.com/article/sir-richard-francis-burton-explorer-linguist-race-realist/

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  353. @Another Polish Perspective

    The famous Wen-Amun papyrus proves that Phoenicians were around in the time of Hyksos. To claim otherwise is an obvious mistake, an attempt to hide Phoenicians once again. BTW, Wen-Amun is a rather despondent, not very manly, Egyptian priest on the mission to buy cedar timber for Amun; the story is worth reading.

    We may be talking at cross purposes. To clarify, we are not claiming anything about Hyksos and Phoenicians but rather the Golden Calf appears in Egyptian texts long before the era that scholars date the Phoenicians ergo they cannot be the source of the Egyptian material. As an aside the papyrus you mention is even later still and is in the era I mention above when Egypt is entering into its long drawn out decline.

    You appear to have a thing about feminine traits and Egypt. It is perfectly true that it lacks the hyper masculinity that patriarchal societies may tend towards but it was not matriarchal either. The nearest relevant comparison would be Christianity pre reformation and its survivors today in the RCC and Orthodox Churches (acknowledging the beards of the latter). It is a long time since I read it but I seem to recall Jung wrote positively about the former and the dogma relating to the Assumption in the context of this same issue. One of the Egyptian concepts associated with Maat is balance and patriarchy v matriarchy would not have been seen as a one or other choice.

    I had a quick glance at the link you give and the comments and saw the issue of fish symbolism and Christianity is raised. I think this may be another example were Jesus knows things about Egypt that affirms his divine nature e.g. there are many surviving papyri showing the deceased undergoing the mummification ritual but I have only encountered one in which the deceased is a man sized fish! This seems incredibly strange if the person doesn’t realise the symbolism i.e. the hieroglyph for “body” (khat) is a fish.

  354. @Jack McArthur

    If you are trying to prove that Jews/Hyksos had nothing to do with Phoenicia, but everything with Egypt, then I think your point is moot, at leasts from my point of view. I invoked Psalm 87 in order to convey that Egyptians and Phoenicians were a part of one family, so to speak, their gods too, only with different names.

    About fish and Christianity – it could be a reference to Egypt, but also to Phoenicia, as well as Galilee which was given by Salomon to Tyre as a part of payment for the temple.

    Since Phoenician gods spread more around Med than Egyptian ones, I think it is more probably Phoenician fish than Egyptian fish, even if this fish will be most often described as Hellenistic fish. Also, Phoenicians were known to have a colony on islands in front of Alexandria, they probably turned later into Jews.

  355. @Jack McArthur

    As for manliness of Egyptians…. well, are Tibetans manly or not….? On one hand, they are ‘spiritual’, on another, again and again we hear about Western ‘harems’ of Tibetan buddhist gurus.
    And, well, Tibetans built pylon-like closters…. I think their civilization is much closer to Egypt than Aztecs, yes.

    I don’t necessarily mean manliness as a physical prowess, but as a kind of sense of integrity and self-respect. When reading Wen-Amun story I was struck by his groveling ways (eg. trying to convince Phoenicians to give him cedar timber in exchange for Amun blessings), instead let’s say, facing his unluck as it was, abandoning mission and returning to Egypt. It had something from an attitude of a slave, a slave who is afraid of a master (here: the high priest Hierhor in Egypt),or maybe had learnt to be afraid of masters, and reminded me about Nietzsche connection of slave morality with priests.

    The popularity of sorceries and spells in Egypt suggest that Egyptians tried to have their way whatever the cost (or means), a bit like Wen-Amun. A hierarchic society where nevertheless everyone tries to get upper hand above everyone else. Does it sound like a feminine characteristic…? Yes, it does.

  356. @Another Polish Perspective

    One could of course say that Wen-Amun was ‘totally devoted to his task’ as well, but what for one will be a total, praiseworthy devotion, for other will be slavery. And not without reason believers of old gods sometimes called themselves simply god’s slaves.

  357. The point we were making about the Golden Calf, based directly on Ancient Egyptian texts from around 4,500 years ago, is something you do not want hear so we will leave it at that?

    Since Phoenician gods spread more around Med than Egyptian ones, I think it is more probably Phoenician fish than Egyptian fish, even if this fish will be most often described as Hellenistic fish.

    When Jesus refers to fishers of men in Matt 4:19 he is repeating a Middle Kingdom phrase from Ancient Egypt “fishermen of men”. Another refers to “fishers of Osiris” however, the traditional Christian interpretation of the passage is not Egyptian.

    One could of course say that Wen-Amun was ‘totally devoted to his task’ as well, but what for one will be a total, praiseworthy devotion, for other will be slavery. And not without reason believers of old gods sometimes called themselves simply god’s slaves.

    Here are numerous biblical links to being a slave of god.
    https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Slaves-Of-God

    A web search will give you many links to Islam and being slave of god.

    The oldest such reference I know is from Ancient Egypt in which a word for priest (Hm MdC) also means “Servant, Devotee, Slave”.

  358. Perhaps my final comments on the weakness that “Another Polish Perspective” attributes to Ancient Egyptians. Jesus picked the most timid to be his disciples who all ran away when the Jews came to kill him. Indeed the only one whom He would in all foresight bestow all the promises unconditionally regarding the forgiveness of sins would betray him thrice .

    In the beatitudes Jesus exalts the lowly and the meek. Was this revolutionary? No. Long before this a divine King of Egypt declares “The Ruler loves the timorous more than the stout of heart”(Assman, p. 155). Recall how Jesus wept at the death of His friend Lazarus and note that many centuries before his appearance in this world a scribe in Ancient Egypt would record a hymn to the Creator “Homage to Thee, Ra! Supreme power, the timid one sheds tears, His form is that of the afflicted”.

  359. @Jack McArthur

    If you are trying to defend the values of Kemet by presenting them as real values of Christianity, then you open yourself to the standard critic from Nietzsche’s ‘Genealogy of morals’ point of view, all that talk about passive-aggressive, sneaky, hipocritical priests denying NATURAL order of things.

    Nevertheless, you may pretty well believe in Christianity as an underground cult of Osiris, so maybe this is irrelavant to you, but just to put a notice of this problem to you.

    Nowadays many people have problems with simple readings of ‘meeknes’ in Christ teachings; and all that in a sharp contrast to the much more straightforward teachings of prophet Muhammad !

  360. Ok, I think got it.

    If Set = Jahwe, then Osiris = Jesus

    The basic structure is that of manicheism here , with the addition of Isis = Holy Spirit.

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  361. I am not sure what you mean i.e. Christian values are real but not any from Ancient Egypt? Is your reference to priests not acting according to nature a reference to celibacy and my mention of priests in Egypt? If so any period of celibacy was not permanent but only for the duration of their temple duty rota which lasted around 4 weeks at a time. As an interesting aside the lead priest acted in the person of the King which is echoed today in some Churches in which the priest acts in the person of Christ.

    To belatedly pick up on a reference you made earlier to Psalm 87. The earliest reference to the City of God (l514, cf. 183BD) I know is from Ancient Egypt in the 3rd millennium bc. It is the celestial City and is also known as the City of Love (meret, Nebseni). According to NK Egyptian texts all peoples have the opportunity of an afterlife when they come before Re for judgment (there is no mention that they had to worship in the Egyptian manner) whereas PS 87 is more exclusive and is maybe a source text for people who support the destruction of Christianity and the West i.e. NWO is to be centred on Jerusalem?

  362. @Another Polish Perspective

    If Set = Jahwe, then Osiris = Jesus

    The basic structure is that of manicheism here , with the addition of Isis = Holy Spirit.

    The King in this world is Horus. When he dies and then rises he is Osiris. Ancient Egypt was not dualistic like Manichaeism though in the late period (when Seth becomes almost a full time outcast) it is not far from it as with Christianity and Islam – see my earlier comments re integrating Seth which was the norm during the zenith of Pharaonic rule.

    Light and darkness does have symbolic value (as it does in the NT) but not in a strictly polarized dualistic cosmos. Isis was widely worshipped throughout the entire Greco-Roman world. All the famous Greeks I am told traced their wisdom back to Egypt so maybe there was some ideas that were taken and appear in distorted form elsewhere e.g. light v darkness.

    And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was mighty in his words and deeds (Acts 7:22).

    I do not think Christianity is an underground version of Egyptian spirituality instead I see the River Nile watering Palestine whose River Jordan ends in the lake of death and the lowest point on the surface of the earth. When Jesus stands in the River Jordan he baptises it into life. When he says “Before Abraham was, I AM” I believe him. The Jews lost eternal life east of Eden, east of the Nile Valley, and Jesus gave them it back.

    Egyptians seemed quite happy having complementary views about the divine sphere and to be largely untouched by a rigorous theological-philosophical Greek style mindset although they be the source of the archetypes.

  363. @Jack McArthur

    The important thing about Psalm 87 is that it does not mention Jerusalem or Jews, but Zion and Zion again. It praises their traitional enemies, though: Egyptians, Bablionians, Philistines (nothing changed here, Palestinians = Philistines). The ‘lord’ likes them more than ‘tents of Jacob’ too.I would say that ‘lord’ so much praised here is not Jahwe (unless, of course, ‘lord’ is a schizophrenic). But you are right, the world is ruled today by the motley set from Psalm 87 known as ‘Jews’. Pyramids, not menorahs (the ancient Jewish symbol) abound in Europe from Louvre to t Infamous Museum of Polish Jews ‘Polin’,
    https://polin.pl/pl/budynek-muzeum

    Task 1: find a pyramid in the building
    Task 2: find a ship (not very Jewish symbol, hm)

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    It may be that the people of Psalm 87 are those named by Apocalypse as ‘those who claim to be Jews but are not’. However, although the question ‘who is a Jew’ is a very contentious one, yet the answer looks to be determined by genetics, as suggested by widespread ban on inter-marriages in Torah. Psalm 87 is supposedly written by some sons of Korah…. but we know what happened to Korah. He was eliminated by Jahwe. We know too that ‘evil’ in the Bible often runs through generations; could the generation of Korah be also bad guys in the eye of Jahwe..:?

    I meant Nietzsche thesis of his ‘Genealogy of morals’ that natural aristocratic order of virtues, where people were simply law upon themselves, so to say, was replaced by a value order mediated by priests who elevated meekness (what Nietzsche calls ‘slave morality’) over aristocratic boldness etc. So celibacy wasn’t a main issue, more that people-like-gods were replaced by slave morality. I also read it as a complaint against intermediaries (priests) who kind of cut off people from direct presence of value (a kind of Heideggerian thema).

    What interestingly connects Psalm 87 and ‘Genealogy of morals’ is that the stated authors of the former, some sons of Korach, belonged to the priestly tribe of Levi. I do find interesting that Levi and Kohen are really just the two surnames of ancient Israelites which have survived, and that despite cessation of all sacrifice (so their raison d’etre)

    I do not exclude that some false Jews bamboozled real Jews in order to change places, turn all real Jews into sinners (making them into Zionists) etc and in this way to take revenge on Jahwe, by proving the imperfectness of his creatures. Frankly, even the king David sometimes behave in the manner contradicting the best interests of Israelites, for example, after provoking Jahwe by counting Israelites, he chooses such a punishment which will be most painful to his subjects (but not to him): the plague, which takes 70000 of Jews. If you like, you have the concept of ‘holy king’ here in its entirety: for the crime of ‘holy king’ (David) pays his nation; it also reminds us the medieval theory of Kings two bodies, one of this bodies being simply his people.
    In some sense, David behaves as if Israelites themelves were his enemies, dealing with them by his incompetency and thus provoking Jahwe. Well, David harp is a slight sign that he could be a Cainite too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_Two_Bodies

    Clearly there are two kinds of subjects in Bible (sans evildoers like Korach): 1) those who are judged by their deeds and must be very careful when walking and acting (e.g. Moses), and those who are ‘beloved by lord’ and can sin again and again without significant conequences to them (David).

    Well, the entire concept of erev rav does not make much sense if Jews do not have a genetical component. Because, otherwise, who would be a false Jew then….?!

    I am in agreement with you that we have to rid Jews, but which of them: true Jews, false Jews or both of them…?

  364. @Another Polish Perspective

    Well, here is the infamous Berlin Holocaust Museum building. It is clearly a serpent, even if official pilpul claims something about ‘visible zigzagging line and an invisible straight line.’

    https://www.jmberlin.de/en/libeskind-building

    The Holocaust Tower looks like Lucifer’s underground (or simply a building for some ancient mysteries, which often ended with the arrival of light), with a single slit of LIGHT.

    Wouldn’t false Jews claim that Holocaust (strangely the name was chosen which means ‘sacrifice’ …. well, to whom?) was some celebration of Lucifer….?

    The interpretation line of Holocaust as ‘mystery of evil’ may hide more than we think.

  365. Jews often use an expression ‘God of our forefathers’ which kind of stresses genetic/biologic element of Judaism.
    But it could be said by Egyptians and Babylonians as well, they also put stress on biological heritage.
    In fact, the expression ‘God and God of our Forefathers’ also exists, suggesting TWO Gods, since it does not really makes sense to add ‘and’, unless of course you were once a convert and want to summon both Jahwe and your previous god.
    I imagine ‘false Jews’ would say exactly that (God & God of Our Forefathers)

  366. Israel,
    I have to say this this is the first time I have seen the “kike” come out in you. Prince Andrew and the rest of the zionized, perverted, buggering scum should be executed, drawn, quartered, and, a fourth of their body placed in each quarter of Britain.
    The Brits since the inbred grandchildren of queen Victoria have brought nothing but misery and destruction to Europe.
    May they rot in hell.

  367. But it could be said by Egyptians and Babylonians as well, they also put stress on biological heritage.

    Not in the sense I think you mean. Egypt was never tribal like the Jews. If you lived in the Egyptian way then you were Egyptian. There was an hereditary tendency in occupation e.g. father to son but there was nothing especially unusual in that.

    I am in agreement with you that we have to rid Jews, but which of them: true Jews, false Jews or both of them…?

    No objection to tribal people living in their own land according to their own ways even if I think it is not the best spiritual way. They should not be allowed to undermine pluralistic societies because they will bring about it’s ruin. Jewish Christians also seems oxymoronic as Christianity was never tribal.

    There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

    What you write can be misconstrued. No physical harm would I will on any Jew.

  368. Adam D. says:
    @Malla

    I think the idea that Pakistan is able to convince and control the Americans is fanciful. It was a happy coalescing of interests which required interest and investment from both the US and Pakistan, the Americans like to play dumb as if they consistently get duped by Pakistan…yea right for over 50 years now, they have a deep understanding with Pakistan to this day.

  369. America and Pakistan belong to the same party, the party of pentagram, or the 5-pointed star (see their flags). This party is not a national one in the modern sense of this word, even though the party has a genetic component, so to say. Any visible differences between party members are tactical, on the way to the greater goal.

  370. Egypt was never tribal like Jews because only the Egyptian elite was tribal, which at least is documented by different centers of power in Egypt, eternally quarreling, for example Memphis vs Tebes (interestingly Tebes as the name of the city existed also in Greece, hm, maybe you know whether there was a connection). The Egyptian dynasties are usually centered around one of these places.
    Both Egypt and Babylon were 90/10 societies, pretty close to today’s 80/20 society. The 90-80 weren’t really the state, and that was evident in probably not the highest morale of Egyptian army.
    Since we currently watch the newest version of Messiah story – this time as ‘Dune’ put on screen again, it may be worth to mention that the world of Dune similarly was 90/10, with Duke Atreides playing a divine king (everyone is devoted to him, hm). The ‘divine princes’ of Empire are managed by some princeps (Emperor) but even more by guild/hansa of merchants, i.e. Phoenicians.

    Coming back to Egypt, here a clip from a Polish movie/novel (by Boleslaw Prus), ‘The Pharaoh’; the main plot being the inability of a young prince/pharaoh to get upper hand against priests and merchants. Here a priest diverts an entire army due to a scarab (‘god’) on the way. BTW, the movie is shot in Kasachstan and you are seeing Soviet soldiers dressed as Egyptian soldiers, which reminds us that a tzar/first secretary of CPSU was a kind of divine king.

  371. Sorry, but I found only this clip, with an unnecessary technical commentary, and the scene does not show the real scarab which is in the film. BTW, I made a mistake, the film was shot in Uzbekistan (Uzbek Republic of USSR).
    But you get a feel, probably.

    Oh, I found the full Russian dubbing version, watch till around 22 minute:

  372. Around 1:31 the prince is presented with a procession of baskets with severed hands of Libyans, composed according to rules of Egyptian art (likewise many other scenes).

    The Jewish/Hyksos element is present through typical Jewish ‘Esther’ motive, a Jewish lover of pharaoh who is to bear a son, later known as Moses (who was to be an Egyptian priest initially, according to some traditions at least).
    One could put an interesting question then: was Moses a prototype of Messiah then…?

  373. To repeat, Egypt was never tribal like the Jews. Many texts allude to this. There are very strong parallels to early Christianity, the Body of Christ, the seamless robe and unity. I have no interest in what movieland thinks about Ancient Egypt. That you have to resort to such as your source indicates a level of hostility …. so no more from me.

  374. The movie is one of the best depiction of Egypt that was created for screen (surprisingly few movies set in Egytpt BTW), and concerns the basic problem of Egyptian society – the relationship between priests and a living god, the pharaoh-Horus. It is a nice mix of motives from Echnaton, Exodus, and Esther stories, in my opinion.

    Well, Egypt did not have a notion of ‘tribe’ similar to Hebrews’. But it would be a stretch to say that Egypt was ‘inclusive’. The fact that many other people settled there AFTER conquering Egypt doesn’t count; they always created their own settlements.
    The Wen-Amun story as well as ‘Sinukhet adventures’ testify that Egyptians didn’t really feel well abroad, and we don’t hear about any significant Egyptian diaspora too. We lack stories of successful foreigners becoming Egyptians and then praised by Egyptian papyri as well.

    Christianity of St Paul has many parallels to ancient Egyptian religion (all this talk about ‘new life’, ‘true life’ etc), there are some parallels in Zion-oriented scriptures of Old Testament too (The Song of Songs). But the early Judeochristianity, or Protochristianity as documented by the Dead Sea Scrolls, is nothing like that. Yet if you think that true Christianity is a gnostic one, you may be right, since of course Nag Hammadi gnostic library was found in Egypt.

    However, anyone entertaining faith in Osiris/Horus/Isis should be aware that the basic promise of Egyptian religion – eternal life for your earthly body – went with the smoke of mummies being burned as fuel in the 19th century (yes, there was such a barbarity), mummies robbed and disrobed etc. The hope was burned and extinguished, so to say.

    Such are facts, and can facts be hostile…?

  375. As a side note, yesterday I went to a concert, and some variation on Jefte’s daughter story was played, by some minor Baroque composer.

    That lead me to realization how popular this story was in music, the story of successful human sacrifice after all, whereas the story of Abraham and Isaac, of unsuccessful human sacrifice, is incomparably unpopular among composers (and their clients, I presume). And yet Jefte was a minor judge, whereas Abraham was a founding patriarch. Strange is this attraction to human sacrifice, isn’t it?

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