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While you have probably already forgotten the feast, Russia is only now slowly coming back to life after its overlong Christmas break completed on January 14 by the quaintly named Old New Year, or even perhaps by the Epiphany on January 19. Everybody went somewhere, even candidates for the presidential race coming in on March 18: the Communist one went to ski in Austria, while the right-winger went to Bali. On the eve of Epiphany, they dipped in the ice-cold waters: the ultimate trial of Russian fitness. Not only he-man Putin, but even she-woman Sobchak did it!

And now, at last, as the feasts are over, the real trial begins. The US is preparing a new round of sanctions, including seizure of Russian oligarch assets. They are ripe for collection. The confiscation of Russian holdings in Cyprus banks in 2013 passed without a hitch and served as a trial balloon. Putin didn’t object overmuch, for he is a sworn enemy of offshore accounts. None of the fleeced Russian businessmen succeeded in recovering their losses in court. Now is the time for the real thing, and much of the anti-Russian hysteria is aimed at preparing the ground for the seizure. In this way, they plan to get a cool trillion dollars into the US Treasury. Who will lose his assets and who will survive, this is the talk of the day in Moscow.

The Russian assets in the west could be divided into New Money, assets of Putin’s people, and the Old Money, assets of Yeltsin’s people. The sanctions are supposed to deal with Putin’s people, but Russian experts think the Old Money is more vulnerable, for a good reason. The New Money is under Putin’s protection. If the US or any other western authority grabs it, the Russian government may seize Western shares in Russian companies and properties.

But what about the Old Money? Its owners, elder oligarchs, are extremely worried about Putin’s nonchalance. Putin takes it easy, they say. Ma’alish, the Arab in Putin says. Que sera sera, says his inner Frenchman. And this nonchalant attitude drives the oligarchs crazy. They want him to fight and save their money. They insisted on his meeting with President Trump in Vietnam; some say the meeting took place in the depth of the night, far from prying eyes, and didn’t bring results. Now Putin says to the Old Money: if you want to save your money, repatriate it to Russia. We aren’t that mad, they reply. You have to defend us anyway! That was the Deal!

Now we are coming to a difficult part. The Deal. Connected people, in-the-know, claim that a top-secret agreement was reached between the late Mr Yeltsin and his cronies, on one side, and The West, on the other side, in 1991. Yeltsin et al had sold Russia’s interests down the river, and in return, The West allowed the bastards to hoard their ill-gotten gains in the Western financial system. Yeltsin et al had promised to let the Soviet republics go; to disarm; to follow the Washington Consensus, i.e. to stick to the liberal economic model; to allow the free import of consumer goods; to allow Western access to the Russian military complex; to let the West write Russian laws; to permit the free outflow of capital from Russia. The West promised to bring investment, to let Russia live in peace, to keep NATO away from Russian borders.

Mr Putin inherited The Deal. Slowly, the Deal has been eroded from both sides. NATO troops moved eastward, no sizeable investment came in, the West supported Chechen rebels. Russia limited Western access to its military-industrial complex; took Crimea; regained some of its international independence.

Putin was elected, or you may say, he was appointed to stick to the Deal and to serve as the Supreme Arbiter among the oligarchs, with very little of a power base of his own. Slowly, he created his own oligarchs (they are described as “siloviki”, though not all of them have some security forces background), and he had built up a limited power base; though many important positions, in particular in the economic sphere, remained in the hands of the Old Guard, Yeltsin’s men. This, too, was a part of the Deal.

The powerful personalities of Yeltsin’s era remained embedded in the upper echelons of Putin’s state. Chubais and Kudrin were and are untouchable. They are connected with the FRS and the IMF, they go to Bilderberg and Davos, they are often described as ‘the colonial administration’. They steal with both hands, and do it with impunity. Just last week it was revealed and published that Mr Chubais and Mr Kudrin appropriated a cool billion dollars of Russian state money while repaying the Soviet debt to the Czech Republic. The worst Putin can do about them is to give them a fat chunk of the Russian economy to chew on, while limiting their access to the rest. So he gave Mr Chubais the Rusnano company that made no profit but embezzled billions. This was the Deal.

Yeltsin’s oligarchs remained as rich as they were; Yeltsin’s family still possesses immense riches. And Putin does not dare to touch them. He goes hat in hand to open a Yeltsin’s Memorial Centre; he is courteous with Yeltsin’s widow and daughter. Putin’s establishment cautiously avoided celebration, or even mention of the Revolution centenary, in keeping with Yeltsin’s anticommunism. This is the Deal.

ORDER IT NOW

The topmost schools of Russia, the most endowed, the most privileged schools for the children of the new nobility are the HSE, (the Higher School of Economics, a clone of the LSE and the economic think-tank of the government), and MGIMO, (Moscow State Institute of International Relations, the school for perspective diplomats). Their graduates were been trained to despise Russia and admire the neo-liberal West (just like the Indian students trained by the Brits, had admired England and despised their country in the days of the British Raj). Professor Medvedev of the HSE called upon Russian government to transfer the Russian Far North to the international community, though this is the place of the greatest gas reserves (he kept his position). Professor Zubov of the MGIMO had compared Putin to Hitler, and denounced Russian diplomats as liars (his contract hasn’t been prolonged). All that is a part of the Deal.

Putin has been unhappy with the Deal for a long time, vocally so since his Munich talk in 2007, but he stuck to the script. Even now, Russia’s economy follows the liberal model; billions of dollars are being siphoned out of Russia monthly; billions of dollars’ worth of Western manufactured consumer goods are imported and sold in Russia, though it would make perfect sense to organise local manufacture. Russia’s Central Bank is directly connected to the Western finance system, and its emission is limited by the amount of hard currency in its coffers. The Rouble carry trade prospers, like the Yen carry trade did years ago.

Meanwhile, the Deal has been undone from the West, as a result of the epic struggle between Bankers and Producers, otherwise described as Liberals vs. Conservatives, or Globalists vs. Regionalists, personalised as Clinton vs. Trump. Yeltsin’s people are historically aligned with the Clinton camp. Now, their assets in the West, previously protected by the Deal, have lost their protection and come up for grabs.

The Old Money people are putting their effort into persuading the West, namely the US, to let them live in peace and instead confiscate the pro-Putin New Money.

This presented the golden opportunity for the anti-Putin activists, the time they can collect the fruit of their hard work. A somewhat typical anti-Putin activist is an émigré, Mr Andrey Illarionov, a Yeltsin man, an ex-adviser to President Putin (until 2005), a US resident, a member of the loony Cato Institute and an adept of Ayn Rand. He is an anti-Russian fanatic; next to him Rachel Maddow is a Putin groupie and Tokyo Rose a symbol of patriotism. Speaking to the Congress Committee of Foreign Affairs in 2009, he famously claimed about the US administration policy towards Russia that “it is not even an appeasement policy so well known to us by another Munich decision in 1938, it is a surrender. A full, absolute, unconditional surrender to the regime of secret police officers, chekists and Mafiosi”. Despite these fighting words, he is a frequent visitor to Moscow, and he never misses a demo where he can call out “Putin must leave” apparently unafraid of the “secret police officers, chekists and Mafiosi”. This is all you should know about the totalitarian Russian regime!

(Émigrés are frequently like that, and the US, a country of immigrants, had been vulnerable to the attack by Illarionov Syndrome, by listening to Masha Gessen, or to Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi émigré who claimed Iraq has had WMD, to Alexander Solzhenitsyn with his horror stories about GULAG, etc. I made it a rule to moderate my critique of Israel while abroad, in fear of failing the Illarionov Sanity Test.)

Now Mr Illarionov is lobbying the US Congress to remove its threats from the heads of those deserving oligarchs, who (in his words) amassed their fortune before advent of Mr Putin and “in order to survive, they had been forced to pay a large tribute to the Kremlin”. His lobbying effort on behalf of the Old Money people has been shared and supported by two notorious Putin haters, a fellow émigré Piontkovsky and a Swedish Neo-Con Anders Aslund.

Direct and generous beneficiaries of their lobbying are the Three Alpha Jews, Peter Aven, Michael Friedman and Herman Khan. They are owners of the Alpha Bank, a very big Russian bank , and they are Old Money oligarchs from Yeltsin’s days when their kin ruled the land.

Michael Friedman, the fat guy with a jolly piglet face, rose to his eminence from being a ticket tout selling illegally obtained opera tickets to Western tourists near Bolshoi Theatre; afterwards he became The Mind behind all ticket mafias in Moscow, and then proceeded to banking and so many other things.

Like many Old Money guys, Friedman earns money in Russia, but siphons it off for Jewish causes. He is a co-founder of a “Jewish Nobel Prize”, also called Genesis Prize, a cool million dollars being given annually to a deserving Jew, the most recent one being the notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg who called Donald Trump, “the faker”. This is not a coincidence; the Russian Old Money is solidly in bed with the Clinton camp. If Friedman succeeds in escaping the sanctions, it will be an additional proof that the Bankers still have the upper hand in the US Administration.

Alternatively, it could mean they are just smart and able to play the both houses. The Three Alpha Jews had been mentioned in the Steele Dossier as the conduit of Putin influence for Trump and against Clinton in the recent US Presidential elections. (They are suing Fusion GPS and BuzzFeed for spreading the accusation).

According to an even better conspiracy theory spread on the social networks, both Mr Illarionov and the smart Alpha Jews are a sleeper cell organised by cunning Mr Putin to ensure his survival in the most adverse conditions. All of them were very friendly with Putin; perhaps they just pretended to become his enemies, the conspiratorially minded journalist from the anti-Putin Echo Moskwy has implied.

Leaving the conspiracy theories aside for a while, we can reach a conclusion. The forthcoming attack of the US establishment on Russian assets is likely to undermine the Old Money of the Yeltsin Oligarchs, and not only them. This confiscation will spell the death knell to the notorious Deal, and then we shall see Putin Unbound.

But perhaps it is too late for him. An unverifiable odd rumour has risen in Moscow. They say that the Communist candidate Pavel Grudinin has strong backing among the “siloviki”, that is Putin’s appointees, often but not exclusively of security services background, for they are unhappy with Putin’s adherence to the Deal. But that will be the subject of my next piece.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. The forthcoming attack of the US establishment on Russian assets is likely to undermine the Old Money of the Yeltsin Oligarchs, and not only them. This confiscation will spell the death knell to the notorious Deal, and then we shall see Putin Unbound.

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    That is my understanding also but I could be wrong. Excellent piece. But I have one small point–the crawling re-nationalization of many crucial industries did happen on Putin’s watch. But in general, as I stated many times, he faces an inevitable meeting, if he were to survive as a politician, with the issue of 1990s robbery and with necessity to dismantle Yeltsin’s “heritage’.

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    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    Agree. I wonder how much of what Israel wrote might be real thing. If Putin really is going to do what you are writing he is going to be company of Russia history greatest.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    There is also indeed a question of all those offshore capitals which are stolen money. Considering state resources and capabilities there definitely might be an offer they cannot refuse to just give money back.
    , @FB

    '...Excellent piece...'
     
    Martyanov proves again what a total boob he is...

    Shamir is full of crap...I happen to know that firsthand...nobody who actually knows him takes him seriously...

    This talk of 'The Deal' and all this nonsense about new and old 'oligarchs' is complete gibberish...it has nothing to do with Russia today...

    As if off-shore dollars being kept by certain rich Russians is something Putin even thinks about...

    This is a drop in the bucket compared to the huge real story...the China-Russia global alliance and the coming reshaping of the world economic order as the two Eurasian powers reset the rules of the game...

    The US and the 'West' is a financial Ponzi scheme...a house of cards that is collapsing of its own unsustainable weight...

    Shamir's twaddling about Oligarchs and some kind of imaginary 'Deal'...is pure 1990s nonsense...this is mosquito category stuff compared to the earth shaking new world order which groundwork is now being laid...

    Shamir is a hopeless relic who has no credible sources and no credible info...plus he lacks a complete intellectual capacity for the Big Picture...
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  2. “Que sera sera”.

    One of my favorite songs.
    Sung by Doris Day and was a hit in the 1950′s.

    Italian in origin and translates to “whatever will be, will be”.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Pretty sure it's Spanish.
    , @Marcello
    It was included in Hitchcock's movie "The Man Who Knew Too Much".
    It was written in English, with a Spanish title, then translated into Italian.
    , @Mr. Brown
    "Que sera sera" is Spanish. Neither French (like Shamir says nor Italian). In Italian would be "che sara sara"
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  3. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    On topic, hoping to elicit comments:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5315353/Tycoon-swaps-Putins-daughter-glamorous-socialite.html

    Slightly OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5314897/George-Soros-calls-Trump-blistering-Davos-speech.html

    That masterful Freud! Mafia govmn’t = pure projection. Plus the war cry for 2018 is official.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

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    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.
    , @Lars Porsena
    Understandable. Is the page boy haircut in style in Russia or did she just like to punish her (ex) husband?
    , @Kam Phlodius
    I was following this very closely until he insulted Mr. Solzhenitsyn.
    , @Israel Shamir

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    Solzhenitsyn had suffered of Illarionov Syndrome. As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia. He re-wrote his books to fit this new neurosis. Yes, eventually he had recovered from this emigre disease.
    , @jilles dykstra
    Unless my english is insufficient, I read nothing negative about Solschenytsyn
    , @utu

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    Nothing knew coming form unreformed Stalinists like Shamir-the-Jewish-Provocateur. It is also the envy talking.
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  4. @Anon
    On topic, hoping to elicit comments:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5315353/Tycoon-swaps-Putins-daughter-glamorous-socialite.html

    Slightly OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5314897/George-Soros-calls-Trump-blistering-Davos-speech.html

    That masterful Freud! Mafia govmn't = pure projection. Plus the war cry for 2018 is official.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn... beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Andrei Martyanov:

    Perhaps Israel could acquaint us of his thoughts on Solzhenitsyn. Or if he has already published them, by directing us to them.
    , @jilles dykstra
    When he said that one must never compromise about facts.
    , @renfro

    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.
     
    When he wrote the taboo breaking book ''Two Hundred Years Together".
    , @Twodees Partain
    Aleksandr Solshenitsyn hasn't become a saint, but he was a writer in a class so far above Israel Shamir's that Shamir can only harm his own image by taking a swipe at Solzhenitsyn.
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  5. @Andrei Martyanov

    The forthcoming attack of the US establishment on Russian assets is likely to undermine the Old Money of the Yeltsin Oligarchs, and not only them. This confiscation will spell the death knell to the notorious Deal, and then we shall see Putin Unbound.
     
    \

    That is my understanding also but I could be wrong. Excellent piece. But I have one small point--the crawling re-nationalization of many crucial industries did happen on Putin's watch. But in general, as I stated many times, he faces an inevitable meeting, if he were to survive as a politician, with the issue of 1990s robbery and with necessity to dismantle Yeltsin's "heritage'.

    Agree. I wonder how much of what Israel wrote might be real thing. If Putin really is going to do what you are writing he is going to be company of Russia history greatest.

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  6. @Andrei Martyanov

    The forthcoming attack of the US establishment on Russian assets is likely to undermine the Old Money of the Yeltsin Oligarchs, and not only them. This confiscation will spell the death knell to the notorious Deal, and then we shall see Putin Unbound.
     
    \

    That is my understanding also but I could be wrong. Excellent piece. But I have one small point--the crawling re-nationalization of many crucial industries did happen on Putin's watch. But in general, as I stated many times, he faces an inevitable meeting, if he were to survive as a politician, with the issue of 1990s robbery and with necessity to dismantle Yeltsin's "heritage'.

    There is also indeed a question of all those offshore capitals which are stolen money. Considering state resources and capabilities there definitely might be an offer they cannot refuse to just give money back.

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    there definitely might be an offer they cannot refuse to just give money back.
     
    Putin sure as hell has all necessary resources to make this offer.
    , @Kiza
    What I do not understand yet is why the Old (stolen) Money could not be offered to come back, be invested in Russia and its ownership retained, at least partially? Or is this what you are talking about? Much of the New Money is also stolen but not as brazenly (like taking a rattle from a baby or company stocks from a drunken Russian worker), the only justification being that the New Money mostly staid in Russia and created Russian jobs. Thus, after applying a re-patriation tax, Putin could equalise the Old Money and the New Money. Is this the option you are discussing?

    Other than this, I am assuming that the second biggest victim of the forthcoming US confiscation, after the Russian Jewish Old Money oligarchs, will be the City of London and its financial quarter grown fat on Russian expat money.
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  7. @Sergey Krieger
    There is also indeed a question of all those offshore capitals which are stolen money. Considering state resources and capabilities there definitely might be an offer they cannot refuse to just give money back.

    there definitely might be an offer they cannot refuse to just give money back.

    Putin sure as hell has all necessary resources to make this offer.

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    There must be will to act. Let's see.
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  8. @Anon
    On topic, hoping to elicit comments:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5315353/Tycoon-swaps-Putins-daughter-glamorous-socialite.html

    Slightly OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5314897/George-Soros-calls-Trump-blistering-Davos-speech.html

    That masterful Freud! Mafia govmn't = pure projection. Plus the war cry for 2018 is official.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn... beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    Understandable. Is the page boy haircut in style in Russia or did she just like to punish her (ex) husband?

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  9. @Andrei Martyanov

    there definitely might be an offer they cannot refuse to just give money back.
     
    Putin sure as hell has all necessary resources to make this offer.

    There must be will to act. Let’s see.

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  10. @Anon
    On topic, hoping to elicit comments:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5315353/Tycoon-swaps-Putins-daughter-glamorous-socialite.html

    Slightly OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5314897/George-Soros-calls-Trump-blistering-Davos-speech.html

    That masterful Freud! Mafia govmn't = pure projection. Plus the war cry for 2018 is official.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn... beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    I was following this very closely until he insulted Mr. Solzhenitsyn.

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  11. Mr Shamir, “Russia took Crimea? TOOK? This is wrong and quit pathetic, what is your motive for this gross error? Wasn’t there a completely violence-free and relatively fair election where Crimeans overwhelming voted to rejoin Russia? Please try to do better in future.

    ps, any chance of an article on the Protocols from you?

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    any chance of an article on the Protocols from you
     
    Certainly! http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Elders_of_Zion.htm
    , @jilles dykstra
    Russia took the Crimea (back).
    Did anyone expect that Russia could allow the most important Russian navy base, Sebastopol, to fall into NATO hands ?
    , @FB
    Greetings Nosey...I guess you haven't figured out yet that our friend Shamir is a full retard...?
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  12. Hibernian says:
    @Alias Anonymous
    "Que sera sera".

    One of my favorite songs.
    Sung by Doris Day and was a hit in the 1950's.

    Italian in origin and translates to "whatever will be, will be".

    Pretty sure it’s Spanish.

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    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    Apparently it is an English invention of an Italian sounding phrase:

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/che_sara_sara

    Then Doris Day assumed it was Spanish lol
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    It sounds french to me, and melody is typical chanson. But I would not bet on it.
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  13. Dan Hayes says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.

    Andrei Martyanov:

    Perhaps Israel could acquaint us of his thoughts on Solzhenitsyn. Or if he has already published them, by directing us to them.

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    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    It is a common view prevailing in Russia that Solzhenitsyn's Archipelago GULAG is a work of fiction, very loosely connected to reality, but fitting the narrative of Conquest (and of German Nazi ideologues, too). While in emigration, Mr Solzhenitsyn called upon the US to nuke Russia. He also spoke approvingly of General Vlasov, the Russian General who turned his coat during the WW2.
    Mr Putin is an admirer of Solzh. His work fits the pro-White tendency that rose in Russia after 1990.

    As for the Jews, his best (and definitely non politically correct at all) work is http://solarchive.narod.ru/sol_jews.html - his later 200 years together is a much longer and made more politically correct retelling of the former.
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  14. hot damn, reads like putin was and is a pussy.

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  15. Jewish oligarchs will retain “their” wealth.
    Gentile oligarchs will lose “their” wealth.

    It’s that simple.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    LOL!!! But you're right of course.
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  16. renfro says:

    Another Jew led move. Getting Russia is about Israel and Iran.

    The U.S. Senate passed bipartisan legislation Thursday to sanction Russia and Iran for their destabilizing activities worldwide.

    U.S. Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD.), Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wrote much of the comprehensive package and worked as a chief negotiator to help his colleagues reach bipartisan consensus on the path to final passage today.

    “Iran and Russia need to see more than rhetoric from the United States. The action the Senate has taken today sends a clear message to Moscow and Tehran that there will be economic, diplomatic and material consequences for their aggression toward U.S. interests, values and allies,” Senator Cardin said. “I am pleased to have worked so closely with Senate leadership and my colleagues to craft a strong package of measures to hold Iran and Russia accountable.
    The Countering Iran’s Destabilizing Activities Act of 2017 contains the following key provisions:
    Mandatory Ballistic Missile Sanctions: Imposes mandatory sanctions on persons involved with Iran’s ballistic missile program and those that transact with them.
    Terrorism Sanctions: Applies terrorism sanctions to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and officials, agents, or affiliates of the IRGC.
    Enforcement of Arms Embargo: Requires the president to block the property of any person or entity involved in specific activities related to the supply, sale, or transfer of prohibited arms and related material to or from Iran.

    The Russia sanctions amendment would:
    Provide for congressional review if sanctions are relaxed, suspended or terminated.
    Codify and strengthen existing sanctions contained in executive orders on Russia, including the sanctions’ impact on certain Russian energy projects and on debt financing in key economic sectors.
    Impose new sanctions on: corrupt Russian actors; those seeking to evade sanctions; those involved in serious human rights abuses; those supplying weapons to the Assad regime; those conducting malicious cyber activity on behalf of the Russian government; those involved in corrupt privatization of state-owned assets; and those doing business with the Russian intelligence and defense sectors.
    Allow broad new sanctions on key sectors of Russia’s economy, including mining, metals, shipping and railways.
    Authorize robust assistance to strengthen democratic institutions and counter disinformation across Central and Eastern European countries that are vulnerable to Russian aggression and interference.
    Require a study on the flow of illicit finance involving Russia and a formal assessment of U.S. economic exposure to Russian state-owned entities.
    Cardin also wrote a provision included in the amendment that would prevent the Trump Administration from returning the compound on Maryland’s Eastern Shore to Russia without first seeking Congressional review. The Russians were accused of using the facility for spying purposes when it was shuttered by the U.S. government late last year.
    The Russia sanctions amendment is based on various legislation written by Senator Cardin:

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Cardin appears to be the disciple of His Royal Highness the Clown Prince of Saudi Arabia MbS, on how to collect a cool $1T into a bankrupt treasury. Only a trillion is nothing for the US Treasury, when an average US war for Israel costs several trillion. But a trillion here and a trillion there and soon you start talking about some serious amounts of money.
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  17. @NoseytheDuke
    Mr Shamir, "Russia took Crimea? TOOK? This is wrong and quit pathetic, what is your motive for this gross error? Wasn't there a completely violence-free and relatively fair election where Crimeans overwhelming voted to rejoin Russia? Please try to do better in future.

    ps, any chance of an article on the Protocols from you?

    any chance of an article on the Protocols from you

    Certainly! http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Elders_of_Zion.htm

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  18. @Anon
    On topic, hoping to elicit comments:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5315353/Tycoon-swaps-Putins-daughter-glamorous-socialite.html

    Slightly OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5314897/George-Soros-calls-Trump-blistering-Davos-speech.html

    That masterful Freud! Mafia govmn't = pure projection. Plus the war cry for 2018 is official.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn... beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    Solzhenitsyn had suffered of Illarionov Syndrome. As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia. He re-wrote his books to fit this new neurosis. Yes, eventually he had recovered from this emigre disease.

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    I did not read a word of the crap he wrote and proud of this. He was self aggrandizing dick and traitor too.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    He was also a liar. His numbers about numbers of executed are orders of magnitude larger than real one. Looks like he loved not Russia but himself in Russia preferably venerated Tolstoy style.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia.
     
    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense,
     
    He also missed completely 20+ years of the Soviet Union in the times when there was no internet and even phone call from Vermont to Mosco0w was problematic--hence epistolary and "rumors". So, he comes back in 1990s to a country and nation of which he simply has no clue about (not that he had it to start with) while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR). I remember reading that in Izvestia and questioning sanity of what I was reading. By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die. As an explicit lack of the mourners at his funeral showed, the rumors of him being "the consciousness of Russia" were greatly exaggerated. Indeed, what kind of Russian literature giant requires a special statement from the President of Russian Federation insisting that Solzh was not a traitor but meant only good. Never heard of such clarifications needed for Tolstoy, Pushkin or Dostoevsky, or, for that matter, Alexander Bloc.
    , @Anon
    I see I touched a bone of contention. To clarify my own comment: As I perceive you through your work --and I have not read you for long--, you are a writer who depicts reality through facts and details, which you then weave into a larger interpretation. That is, you start with objectives truths that you find out and present to the reader. This is a sign of good, honest journalism. ( I also remember a peculiar piece about the flowers of Galilee that was moving and poetic.)

    When you wrote dismissively about "horror stories", it seems to me that you are saying Solzhenitsyn is a dishonest writer, not a fallible one, and I find that hard to reconcile with your own style of journalistic integrity.

    Let me give you my take on Gulag. It is a very intelligent book, structured to pierce through the image already present in the reader's mind, of communism as a worthy system of government, and of the Soviet Union as a great place for the common man. Fake news or not, this image was a political reality,  the fruit of a skillfully wielded system of propaganda.  It was leveraged internationally. Perhaps Solzhenitsyn also wanted to inform other soviet citizens about the Gulag Bogeyman, I don't know. And bear in mind that it was crafted under personal duress, which speaks volumes about the courage of the man.

    So he wrote a testimonial epic. An Acts of the Apostles, but more literary. Thus the honest subtitle: a literary experiment. With the larger picture included.  He presents the full reality of a society with a hidden network of hellholes, man-willed buildings, and railways and ports and logistics and such, capable of swallowing many lives and directed by the obscure will of the State. He presents this network as used by all the rulers (Lenin, Stalin) of said State,  he presents the laws it invoked, the night raids for the chosen captives. He details the processes by which a person is stripped of dignity. And I at least realized that all of this (policies and laws and infrastructure) did not exist 20 years before. He compares this soviet system to others, like the Tsar's or the Inquisition. He details the life in this jungle, and how men could become more human, or not. He weaves personal "horror stories" into the larger picture of a polity that basically cannot care for the common good (for the common good is not its orientation). He finishes on the relatively low note of his liberation and exile, a truthful if less striking ending. This ending in particular is not that of a dishonest rethorician.

    It never struck me that he was attacking Russia in his writing. Definitely it was an exposé of the Soviet Government. But we have to distinguish country from people from government. A patriot should criticize his government, if his conscience so guides him. I think he was a courageous man, an individual alone against the State, with pen, paper and a formidable mind, but also someone who loved his country too well not to testify against the Gulag.

    Then I would ask: in what ways fiction, if by fiction you mean untrue:
    - the existence of a State that repressed whole classes of its people? Women and children included?
    - the existence of the network of concentration camps?
    - the fact that the prisoners were used as slave labor? Worked to death?
    - that common human compassion in the camps was prevented by the State by, for example, using guards from different nationalities than the prisoners?
    - the widespread use of torture? Or particular tortures? 
    - were particular personal stories not testimonial (true)?
    - the numbers --those pesky things-- were wrong? By how much? And was it a deliberate error? 

    Mind you, even saints are human and susceptible to error, you as Christian know it. We can judge them, of course.

    Lastly, and it is honest inquiry, why do you think Putin likes him? Political expediency? Or something about the man himself?

    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    and actually called to nuke Russia

     

    What's wrong with that?

    The offending quote, believe:

    Video: Solzhenitsyn demands to attack the USSR with nuclear weapons


    At one time there was no comparison between the strength of the USSR and yours. Then it became equal… (The Soviet advantage grew). Then (it became) three to one. Finally, it will be five to one… With such a nuclear superiority it will be possible to block the use of your weapons, and on some unlucky morning they will declare: 'Attention. We're marching our troops to Europe, and if you make a move, we will annihilate you.' And this ratio… of five to one will have its effect: you will not make a move.

     

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  19. @Hibernian
    Pretty sure it's Spanish.

    Apparently it is an English invention of an Italian sounding phrase:

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/che_sara_sara

    Then Doris Day assumed it was Spanish lol

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    Antlitz wins the debate! (Grin)
    , @Geonet
    The expression "what will be will be" seems to be more Portuguese and Spanish than Italian.

    what will be will be (English
    o que será será (Portuguese)
    lo que será será (Spanish)
    quel che sarà sarà (Italian)
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  20. Wow! For a plain old American like myself, this is a real eye full and then an ear full too. I’m sure I don’t understand it, because if if’s true anywhere, it’s true about the financial back story on what’s really happening with the big narrative behind the bogus fake news stories based on Russia == Evil and “Russiagate,” that we Americans know nothing. Trunp, OTOH, he doesn’t seem to cry, at east not well, anyway in public, but he does seem to know something of Big International Money. just another term for the Mother of all Grand Larcenies.

    BTW: Even a plain old American can appreciate this phrase: “the epic struggle between Bankers and Producers, otherwise described as Liberals vs. Conservatives, or Globalists vs. Regionalists, personalised as Clinton vs. Trump.”

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    • Replies: @bluedog
    Simply like the old saying about two wolves and a lamb deciding on what to have for dinner,a so called two party system which is a one party system and the sheep are the main course for dinner ...
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  21. @Anon
    On topic, hoping to elicit comments:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5315353/Tycoon-swaps-Putins-daughter-glamorous-socialite.html

    Slightly OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5314897/George-Soros-calls-Trump-blistering-Davos-speech.html

    That masterful Freud! Mafia govmn't = pure projection. Plus the war cry for 2018 is official.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn... beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    Unless my english is insufficient, I read nothing negative about Solschenytsyn

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    Man you are always ready with your odd spelling.
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  22. @NoseytheDuke
    Mr Shamir, "Russia took Crimea? TOOK? This is wrong and quit pathetic, what is your motive for this gross error? Wasn't there a completely violence-free and relatively fair election where Crimeans overwhelming voted to rejoin Russia? Please try to do better in future.

    ps, any chance of an article on the Protocols from you?

    Russia took the Crimea (back).
    Did anyone expect that Russia could allow the most important Russian navy base, Sebastopol, to fall into NATO hands ?

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  23. @Andrei Martyanov

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.

    When he said that one must never compromise about facts.

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  24. ANY idiot, specially former KGB thugs who robbed state assets, DESERVES to be robbed by so called developed or first world thugs whose greatest contributions have been genocides and robbing whole continents.

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  25. renfro says:

    Putin reduces taxes…

    The new tax comes three years after Putin backed efforts to persuade Russian entrepreneurs and officials to repatriate as much as US$1 trillion held in offshore centers from Cyprus to Switzerland, the Times said.

    USM Holdings, a British Virgin Islands-registered company co-owned by billionaire Alisher Usmanov, said on Dec 19 it had transferred controlling stakes in wireless operator OAO MegaFon and iron-ore producer Metalloinvest Holding to Russian units because the companies “have strategic importance for the Russian economy”, according to the report.

    Usmanov is Russia’s second-richest person with a net worth of US$14 billion.

    Such moves are helping reverse an outflow of assets from Russia over the previous 20 years. The Russian central bank deployed emergency steps including interest-rate increases and spent US$88 billion in interventions to prop up the ruble, which has declined almost 50 per cent against the dollar in the past 12 months, the Times said.

    All of Russia’s 20 richest people controlled a portion of their fortune through holding companies registered overseas, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. The billionaires control US$181 billion of assets, the report said.”

    I think rather then take a chance on asset seizure by the US…and whatever other countries the US can browbeat into it….these guys are going to be transferring back to Russia. Who they trust most Putin or the US?

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  26. renfro says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.

    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.

    When he wrote the taboo breaking book ”Two Hundred Years Together”.

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    Which was recently published in the USA in English translation.
    https://www.amazon.com/Crucifixion-Russia-Russians-translation-Solzhenitsyns
    Better educated people than I will have to vouch for the validity of the translation,
    as the Italians have said: Translatore Traditore
    ... or if they haven't, they should have done.
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  27. Seraphim says:

    Has all the “lobbying the US Congress to remove its threats from the heads of those deserving oligarchs” anything to do with the fact that “Three Alpha Jews” (and who knows how many others) are, well… Jews? Kosher Nostra in action? The sacred duty of tribal solidarity of the ‘chosen’?

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  28. True power is in the heads of corporations, and chairman of the boards of directors who decide the level of profits and level of reinvestment of the profits. But overall the system is in the hands of state, and that means in the hands of Putin who by laws can tighten the spigot on outflow of money from Russia. He can easily justify it by sanctions that US and Western Europe imposed on Russia.
    Actually Putin can go so severe that it passes a law that All money must be reinvested in Russia, and in this case all stock value would be overnight zero or few percent, And than state can buy up all shares for pennies on the Ruble, Than state can release the spigot and resell the shares,
    Putin can do whatever he wants. He is a de facto dictator. So there is no any resistance to his actions.
    West imposed sanctions on Russia, and so by this adversary act Putin can justify anything he wants.

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  29. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    It’s obvious the gangster elite–the banker scum–have taken over the world, acting with impunity at the same time, enriching themselves to the point it would make King Midas jealous.

    The MSM directs the sheeple to be concerned and raise hell in favor of men dressing as women and using the ladies bathroom–and other nonsense–which gives the banksters plenty of room to maneuver and looting our pockets–since we’re all so concerned about giving trannies additional rights–yet don’t raise hell about that hand rifling thru our pocket

    I long for the old days when gangsters warred among themselves and left the huddled masses out of their machinations.

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  30. Marcello says:
    @Alias Anonymous
    "Que sera sera".

    One of my favorite songs.
    Sung by Doris Day and was a hit in the 1950's.

    Italian in origin and translates to "whatever will be, will be".

    It was included in Hitchcock’s movie “The Man Who Knew Too Much”.
    It was written in English, with a Spanish title, then translated into Italian.

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    Marcello wins the debate.
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  31. Kiza says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    There is also indeed a question of all those offshore capitals which are stolen money. Considering state resources and capabilities there definitely might be an offer they cannot refuse to just give money back.

    What I do not understand yet is why the Old (stolen) Money could not be offered to come back, be invested in Russia and its ownership retained, at least partially? Or is this what you are talking about? Much of the New Money is also stolen but not as brazenly (like taking a rattle from a baby or company stocks from a drunken Russian worker), the only justification being that the New Money mostly staid in Russia and created Russian jobs. Thus, after applying a re-patriation tax, Putin could equalise the Old Money and the New Money. Is this the option you are discussing?

    Other than this, I am assuming that the second biggest victim of the forthcoming US confiscation, after the Russian Jewish Old Money oligarchs, will be the City of London and its financial quarter grown fat on Russian expat money.

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    Putin offered the Old Money to return home; but they do not want. Probably they believe they won't be ripped off by the US Congress.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    As a matter of fact the source of all so called old money is destruction and sell off of Soviet people property built over 70 years period which resulted in massive economic, social and demographic catastrophe. That death on hands of Soviet state underpinned the whole safety net and lives of millions. This all was taken over, most was merely destroyed for sell of and quick profits and left was left to continuously provide thieves with cash streams they still enjoy. In short, old money = blood money. With really national people interests minded government and state, everything owned in Russia by this folk must be confiscated and them offered their lives for the return of say 95% of everything they managed to offshore making it easier for them. Not only Stalin had ice picks...
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  33. Kiza says:

    Mr Shamir, is it becoming a synonym being Jewish and being rich:

    Yeltsin’s family still possesses immense riches. And Putin does not dare to touch them. He goes hat in hand to open a Yeltsin’s Memorial Centre; he is courteous with Yeltsin’s widow and daughter.

    Yeltsin’s widow is Jewish and the purported leader of the international gang pillaging Russia in the 90s. As you and I discussed, she was the éminence grise, the puppet master and the chief supplier of endless vodka to the farting President.

    When Yeltsin’s widow and daughter end up in jail this is when The Deal will truly be dead.

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    Mrs Yeltsin's parents were Siberian starovery, that is Old Believers, a very conservative sect of Russian Orthodoxy. She was not Jewish.
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  34. Kiza says:
    @renfro
    Another Jew led move. Getting Russia is about Israel and Iran.


    The U.S. Senate passed bipartisan legislation Thursday to sanction Russia and Iran for their destabilizing activities worldwide.

    U.S. Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD.), Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wrote much of the comprehensive package and worked as a chief negotiator to help his colleagues reach bipartisan consensus on the path to final passage today.

    “Iran and Russia need to see more than rhetoric from the United States. The action the Senate has taken today sends a clear message to Moscow and Tehran that there will be economic, diplomatic and material consequences for their aggression toward U.S. interests, values and allies,” Senator Cardin said. “I am pleased to have worked so closely with Senate leadership and my colleagues to craft a strong package of measures to hold Iran and Russia accountable.
    The Countering Iran’s Destabilizing Activities Act of 2017 contains the following key provisions:
    Mandatory Ballistic Missile Sanctions: Imposes mandatory sanctions on persons involved with Iran’s ballistic missile program and those that transact with them.
    Terrorism Sanctions: Applies terrorism sanctions to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and officials, agents, or affiliates of the IRGC.
    Enforcement of Arms Embargo: Requires the president to block the property of any person or entity involved in specific activities related to the supply, sale, or transfer of prohibited arms and related material to or from Iran.

    The Russia sanctions amendment would:
    Provide for congressional review if sanctions are relaxed, suspended or terminated.
    Codify and strengthen existing sanctions contained in executive orders on Russia, including the sanctions’ impact on certain Russian energy projects and on debt financing in key economic sectors.
    Impose new sanctions on: corrupt Russian actors; those seeking to evade sanctions; those involved in serious human rights abuses; those supplying weapons to the Assad regime; those conducting malicious cyber activity on behalf of the Russian government; those involved in corrupt privatization of state-owned assets; and those doing business with the Russian intelligence and defense sectors.
    Allow broad new sanctions on key sectors of Russia’s economy, including mining, metals, shipping and railways.
    Authorize robust assistance to strengthen democratic institutions and counter disinformation across Central and Eastern European countries that are vulnerable to Russian aggression and interference.
    Require a study on the flow of illicit finance involving Russia and a formal assessment of U.S. economic exposure to Russian state-owned entities.
    Cardin also wrote a provision included in the amendment that would prevent the Trump Administration from returning the compound on Maryland’s Eastern Shore to Russia without first seeking Congressional review. The Russians were accused of using the facility for spying purposes when it was shuttered by the U.S. government late last year.
    The Russia sanctions amendment is based on various legislation written by Senator Cardin:

    Cardin appears to be the disciple of His Royal Highness the Clown Prince of Saudi Arabia MbS, on how to collect a cool $1T into a bankrupt treasury. Only a trillion is nothing for the US Treasury, when an average US war for Israel costs several trillion. But a trillion here and a trillion there and soon you start talking about some serious amounts of money.

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  35. bluedog says:
    @Grandpa Charlie
    Wow! For a plain old American like myself, this is a real eye full and then an ear full too. I'm sure I don't understand it, because if if's true anywhere, it's true about the financial back story on what's really happening with the big narrative behind the bogus fake news stories based on Russia == Evil and "Russiagate," that we Americans know nothing. Trunp, OTOH, he doesn't seem to cry, at east not well, anyway in public, but he does seem to know something of Big International Money. just another term for the Mother of all Grand Larcenies.

    BTW: Even a plain old American can appreciate this phrase: "the epic struggle between Bankers and Producers, otherwise described as Liberals vs. Conservatives, or Globalists vs. Regionalists, personalised as Clinton vs. Trump."

    Simply like the old saying about two wolves and a lamb deciding on what to have for dinner,a so called two party system which is a one party system and the sheep are the main course for dinner …

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  36. Joe Hide says:

    Wow, another great article!
    Keep it up Shamir!

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  37. We do not need to revisit the theme if Hitler was bad boy or not.
    But Putin’s economist could check out what German economist did when Hitler took power.

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    Ooops! Meant to hit the agree button.

    You're right: Hitler's economic policies were extremely effective. They completely eliminated unemployment in Germany within two years, creating a recovery so robust that it helped pull several neighboring states out of the depression , too.
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  38. @Kiza
    Mr Shamir, is it becoming a synonym being Jewish and being rich:

    Yeltsin’s family still possesses immense riches. And Putin does not dare to touch them. He goes hat in hand to open a Yeltsin’s Memorial Centre; he is courteous with Yeltsin’s widow and daughter.
     
    Yeltsin’s widow is Jewish and the purported leader of the international gang pillaging Russia in the 90s. As you and I discussed, she was the éminence grise, the puppet master and the chief supplier of endless vodka to the farting President.

    When Yeltsin’s widow and daughter end up in jail this is when The Deal will truly be dead.

    Mrs Yeltsin’s parents were Siberian starovery, that is Old Believers, a very conservative sect of Russian Orthodoxy. She was not Jewish.

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  39. @Kiza
    What I do not understand yet is why the Old (stolen) Money could not be offered to come back, be invested in Russia and its ownership retained, at least partially? Or is this what you are talking about? Much of the New Money is also stolen but not as brazenly (like taking a rattle from a baby or company stocks from a drunken Russian worker), the only justification being that the New Money mostly staid in Russia and created Russian jobs. Thus, after applying a re-patriation tax, Putin could equalise the Old Money and the New Money. Is this the option you are discussing?

    Other than this, I am assuming that the second biggest victim of the forthcoming US confiscation, after the Russian Jewish Old Money oligarchs, will be the City of London and its financial quarter grown fat on Russian expat money.

    Putin offered the Old Money to return home; but they do not want. Probably they believe they won’t be ripped off by the US Congress.

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  40. @Dan Hayes
    Andrei Martyanov:

    Perhaps Israel could acquaint us of his thoughts on Solzhenitsyn. Or if he has already published them, by directing us to them.

    It is a common view prevailing in Russia that Solzhenitsyn’s Archipelago GULAG is a work of fiction, very loosely connected to reality, but fitting the narrative of Conquest (and of German Nazi ideologues, too). While in emigration, Mr Solzhenitsyn called upon the US to nuke Russia. He also spoke approvingly of General Vlasov, the Russian General who turned his coat during the WW2.
    Mr Putin is an admirer of Solzh. His work fits the pro-White tendency that rose in Russia after 1990.

    As for the Jews, his best (and definitely non politically correct at all) work is http://solarchive.narod.ru/sol_jews.html – his later 200 years together is a much longer and made more politically correct retelling of the former.

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    With all due respect that is a joke. Vlasov never lived up to WW2
    Vlasov was the leader of whites in revolution and he was eventually killed by Reds.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Israel,

    Thanks for your response. And plenty of food for thought.
    , @renfro

    As for the Jews, his best (and definitely non politically correct at all) work is http://solarchive.narod.ru/sol_jews.html –
     
    here is the English translation

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsolarchive.narod.ru%2Fsol_jews.html&edit-text=
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  41. Miro23 says:

    Now we are coming to a difficult part. The Deal. Connected people, in-the-know, claim that a top-secret agreement was reached between the late Mr Yeltsin and his cronies, on one side, and The West, on the other side, in 1991. Yeltsin et al had sold Russia’s interests down the river, and in return, The West allowed the bastards to hoard their ill-gotten gains in the Western financial system.

    Maybe this can be generalized into a growing problem of counter-party failure, and it’s not just the private thieves that can’t trust each other.

    The Yeltsin crowd trusted the US to keep its side of the Deal but now they’re not so sure. Putin expected the Americans to keep to the Syria deal but they didn’t, and the same trend is growing internally in the United States.

    The public expected that their elected representatives would serve their interests, and those of the US, but they don’t , and the public welfare commitments “deal” is a fantasy since the counter-party, the US government, doesn’t have the money, so probably, the US financial system, with its mountains of derivative deals, also holds more counter-party risk than anticipated.

    Reliable long term contracts have to be the foundation of advanced societies, allowing long term planning and long term investment. If counter-parties become too unreliable, all that’s left is an African style street market, strictly cash now in exchange for goods now in a pre-modern environment.

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  42. CK says:
    @renfro

    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.
     
    When he wrote the taboo breaking book ''Two Hundred Years Together".

    Which was recently published in the USA in English translation.

    https://www.amazon.com/Crucifixion-Russia-Russians-translation-Solzhenitsyns

    Better educated people than I will have to vouch for the validity of the translation,
    as the Italians have said: Translatore Traditore
    … or if they haven’t, they should have done.

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    The correct link is https://www.amazon.com/Crucifixion-Russia-Russians-translation-Solzhenitsyns/dp/1548660272/ This is 200 years together, not the short work I refer to.
    , @CK
    It appears that I did truncate too much, apologies offered.
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  43. @Israel Shamir
    It is a common view prevailing in Russia that Solzhenitsyn's Archipelago GULAG is a work of fiction, very loosely connected to reality, but fitting the narrative of Conquest (and of German Nazi ideologues, too). While in emigration, Mr Solzhenitsyn called upon the US to nuke Russia. He also spoke approvingly of General Vlasov, the Russian General who turned his coat during the WW2.
    Mr Putin is an admirer of Solzh. His work fits the pro-White tendency that rose in Russia after 1990.

    As for the Jews, his best (and definitely non politically correct at all) work is http://solarchive.narod.ru/sol_jews.html - his later 200 years together is a much longer and made more politically correct retelling of the former.

    With all due respect that is a joke. Vlasov never lived up to WW2
    Vlasov was the leader of whites in revolution and he was eventually killed by Reds.

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    Ilyana, google or read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov
    , @ID
    U confuse something.
    Vlasov fought on side of Germany, like Bandera did.
    Search it up, do not trust Shamir, do not trust me, just make a search and trust your eyes only.
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    @Israel Shamir
    It is a common view prevailing in Russia that Solzhenitsyn's Archipelago GULAG is a work of fiction, very loosely connected to reality, but fitting the narrative of Conquest (and of German Nazi ideologues, too). While in emigration, Mr Solzhenitsyn called upon the US to nuke Russia. He also spoke approvingly of General Vlasov, the Russian General who turned his coat during the WW2.
    Mr Putin is an admirer of Solzh. His work fits the pro-White tendency that rose in Russia after 1990.

    As for the Jews, his best (and definitely non politically correct at all) work is http://solarchive.narod.ru/sol_jews.html - his later 200 years together is a much longer and made more politically correct retelling of the former.

    Israel,

    Thanks for your response. And plenty of food for thought.

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  45. As always an amusing version of the pro-Putin line. Since Putin always has to win, any seizure of Russian assets in the US has to be portrayed as a victory. The Old Money v New Money distinction is an amusing device to get around that difficulty and I would assume it was invented by the author. Then we get the classic “Russia” scam: both the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation being called “Russia” as suits the occasion. Of course, if Putin claims that the Russian Federation, as one of the fifteen successor states to the Soviet Union is entitled to the benefit of promises made to the Soviet Union, he must also accept that the Russian Federation is bound by promises made by the former Soviet Union, most notably in the Helsinki Final Act, under which Putin’s actions in Ukraine are wholly illegal. Putin and his American supporters can’t have it both ways.

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    Depends on who's definition you use to define legal or illegal,our bombing and partition of Yugoslavia was legal in our definition, but the Crimea voting to go with Russia was an invasion and illegal or does it just depend on who's ox is being gored..
    , @Dmitry

    The Old Money v New Money distinction is an amusing device to get around that difficulty and I would assume it was invented by the author.
     
    From the perspective of knowing what goes on here or with various factions between 'big shots', everyone commenting, reading or writing on this site are bunch of nobodies, with no more knowledge than some random passerby trying to look into palace windows, from several kilometers, with binoculars - while curtains are drawn.

    The above article is a creative writing exercise - although as such it is as valid (or invalid) as any creative writing interpretation of what happens behind the curtained windows, and which can be an entertaining genre of literature in itself.

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  46. @Israel Shamir

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    Solzhenitsyn had suffered of Illarionov Syndrome. As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia. He re-wrote his books to fit this new neurosis. Yes, eventually he had recovered from this emigre disease.

    I did not read a word of the crap he wrote and proud of this. He was self aggrandizing dick and traitor too.

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  47. @Israel Shamir

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    Solzhenitsyn had suffered of Illarionov Syndrome. As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia. He re-wrote his books to fit this new neurosis. Yes, eventually he had recovered from this emigre disease.

    He was also a liar. His numbers about numbers of executed are orders of magnitude larger than real one. Looks like he loved not Russia but himself in Russia preferably venerated Tolstoy style.

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    Siberia!
    Stalin was twice sent to Siberia by czarist courts.
    Twice he escaped.
    Second time he actually was supposed to be killed according to Solzhenitsyn.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    He was actually pretty close - though the numbers weren't his.
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  48. Mr. Shamir
    I’ll make a friendly bet that these targeted seizures will NOT include one single ruble from either Mikhail Fridman or any other in the Chabad network (a.k.a. Red Mafiya: see R. Friedman’s book). Trump bought Resorts International from Lansky. The current US President has been “supported” by Adelson and his son-in-law and daughter are Chabad followers. Great global scheme merging a Frankist religion with crime.

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  49. bluedog says:
    @Michael Kenny
    As always an amusing version of the pro-Putin line. Since Putin always has to win, any seizure of Russian assets in the US has to be portrayed as a victory. The Old Money v New Money distinction is an amusing device to get around that difficulty and I would assume it was invented by the author. Then we get the classic “Russia” scam: both the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation being called “Russia” as suits the occasion. Of course, if Putin claims that the Russian Federation, as one of the fifteen successor states to the Soviet Union is entitled to the benefit of promises made to the Soviet Union, he must also accept that the Russian Federation is bound by promises made by the former Soviet Union, most notably in the Helsinki Final Act, under which Putin’s actions in Ukraine are wholly illegal. Putin and his American supporters can’t have it both ways.

    Depends on who’s definition you use to define legal or illegal,our bombing and partition of Yugoslavia was legal in our definition, but the Crimea voting to go with Russia was an invasion and illegal or does it just depend on who’s ox is being gored..

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  50. @Sergey Krieger
    He was also a liar. His numbers about numbers of executed are orders of magnitude larger than real one. Looks like he loved not Russia but himself in Russia preferably venerated Tolstoy style.

    Siberia!
    Stalin was twice sent to Siberia by czarist courts.
    Twice he escaped.
    Second time he actually was supposed to be killed according to Solzhenitsyn.

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  51. FB says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    The forthcoming attack of the US establishment on Russian assets is likely to undermine the Old Money of the Yeltsin Oligarchs, and not only them. This confiscation will spell the death knell to the notorious Deal, and then we shall see Putin Unbound.
     
    \

    That is my understanding also but I could be wrong. Excellent piece. But I have one small point--the crawling re-nationalization of many crucial industries did happen on Putin's watch. But in general, as I stated many times, he faces an inevitable meeting, if he were to survive as a politician, with the issue of 1990s robbery and with necessity to dismantle Yeltsin's "heritage'.

    ‘…Excellent piece…’

    Martyanov proves again what a total boob he is…

    Shamir is full of crap…I happen to know that firsthand…nobody who actually knows him takes him seriously…

    This talk of ‘The Deal’ and all this nonsense about new and old ‘oligarchs’ is complete gibberish…it has nothing to do with Russia today…

    As if off-shore dollars being kept by certain rich Russians is something Putin even thinks about…

    This is a drop in the bucket compared to the huge real story…the China-Russia global alliance and the coming reshaping of the world economic order as the two Eurasian powers reset the rules of the game…

    The US and the ‘West’ is a financial Ponzi scheme…a house of cards that is collapsing of its own unsustainable weight…

    Shamir’s twaddling about Oligarchs and some kind of imaginary ‘Deal’…is pure 1990s nonsense…this is mosquito category stuff compared to the earth shaking new world order which groundwork is now being laid…

    Shamir is a hopeless relic who has no credible sources and no credible info…plus he lacks a complete intellectual capacity for the Big Picture…

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  52. FB says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Mr Shamir, "Russia took Crimea? TOOK? This is wrong and quit pathetic, what is your motive for this gross error? Wasn't there a completely violence-free and relatively fair election where Crimeans overwhelming voted to rejoin Russia? Please try to do better in future.

    ps, any chance of an article on the Protocols from you?

    Greetings Nosey…I guess you haven’t figured out yet that our friend Shamir is a full retard…?

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    Hi FB, It seems there are a lot of things that I have yet to figure out and I expect that's why I'm here so often. It is not always easy working out whatever agenda a writer has or seems to have. Israel Shamir has written some worthwhile articles, or so I thought, and it may even be the case that some have been better than others. Cheers
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  53. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    With all due respect that is a joke. Vlasov never lived up to WW2
    Vlasov was the leader of whites in revolution and he was eventually killed by Reds.
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    O. K. so it is not your fault. What is there in Wikipedia is total crap. From beginning to the end.
    First; there was never Prague uprising . Zero zilch.
    Second; the core of German army was on Czech territory. Russian bypassed it and went with full force on Berlin. After Hitlers death all army surrendered. There was no fight on Czech territory.
    On the beginning of https is a disclaimer read it.
    There was uprising in Polish city Warshava and on the territory of Slovakia.
    I have never heard about any Vlasov General in Russian army.
    Southern front of Russian Army was led by Zhukov.
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  54. @Kiza
    What I do not understand yet is why the Old (stolen) Money could not be offered to come back, be invested in Russia and its ownership retained, at least partially? Or is this what you are talking about? Much of the New Money is also stolen but not as brazenly (like taking a rattle from a baby or company stocks from a drunken Russian worker), the only justification being that the New Money mostly staid in Russia and created Russian jobs. Thus, after applying a re-patriation tax, Putin could equalise the Old Money and the New Money. Is this the option you are discussing?

    Other than this, I am assuming that the second biggest victim of the forthcoming US confiscation, after the Russian Jewish Old Money oligarchs, will be the City of London and its financial quarter grown fat on Russian expat money.

    As a matter of fact the source of all so called old money is destruction and sell off of Soviet people property built over 70 years period which resulted in massive economic, social and demographic catastrophe. That death on hands of Soviet state underpinned the whole safety net and lives of millions. This all was taken over, most was merely destroyed for sell of and quick profits and left was left to continuously provide thieves with cash streams they still enjoy. In short, old money = blood money. With really national people interests minded government and state, everything owned in Russia by this folk must be confiscated and them offered their lives for the return of say 95% of everything they managed to offshore making it easier for them. Not only Stalin had ice picks…

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    Firstly, thanks for the answer Sergey. Neither the ruling Russian pragmatist Putin, nor little me would agree with your lefty ideological approach to this, you know what they say - try eating your ideology, jobs are jobs. Almost all rich people in this world got rich by stealing and now they are “honest” job creators.

    Secondly, the comments section gets dominated by the Karlin Troll Club again.

    Finally, this article is mostly a collection of rumours. Rumours can be extremely useful when cross-checked with facts, they can fill in the big picture. All the critics should go to MSM if they want the factual approach (which is all lies), for my personal quest to establish the truth an honest rumor is way better than a lying fact.
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  55. @CK
    Which was recently published in the USA in English translation.
    https://www.amazon.com/Crucifixion-Russia-Russians-translation-Solzhenitsyns
    Better educated people than I will have to vouch for the validity of the translation,
    as the Italians have said: Translatore Traditore
    ... or if they haven't, they should have done.

    The correct link is https://www.amazon.com/Crucifixion-Russia-Russians-translation-Solzhenitsyns/dp/1548660272/ This is 200 years together, not the short work I refer to.

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  56. @Israel Shamir

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    Solzhenitsyn had suffered of Illarionov Syndrome. As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia. He re-wrote his books to fit this new neurosis. Yes, eventually he had recovered from this emigre disease.

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia.

    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.

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    What you call sovok built what guys like you eat.
    , @Israel Shamir
    Well, Anatol, this is how his words were understood at the time. You can watch his speech in the US Congress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk7bXga0d3I - it is quite messy, with voiceover, but you can figure out the gist: Russians have superior nuclear weaponry, their nuclear superiority grows; you should not wait until your youth will have to defend the borders of your continent. I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.
    This is how it was understood, too. Years later, in 1999, Solzhenitsyn wrote in "The Grain Between the Millstones:" "My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it, but that's how it reached our compatriots ... Try to prove them otherwise now." (The New World, 1999, N 2, p. 83).
    So even Solzh didn't ascribe it to "sovok" (the USSR), but to the US media that "distorted" his message. If the US media distorted, he had plenty of time to say he was misunderstood; but somehow he did not do it. In my view, for a good reason: he was well and properly understood, but with years he changed his view. He still lacked integrity to admit this change in his outlook.
    , @utu
    Shamir gets more and more disgusting.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.
     
    Anatoly, educate yourself. Can you stop passing opinions on things you have no clue about?

    Solzhenitsyn wrote in "The Grain between the Millstones:" "My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it, but that's how it reached our compatriots ... Try to prove them otherwise now." Of course somebody "distorted" it. Solzhenitsyn never had free will, always somebody was guilty.

    But he did, as he did support war in Vietnam. Obviously Solzh's statements, captured by American Cold War propaganda reels are completely imagined. /s

    https://youtu.be/0r12mBKckBY
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  57. Basically I wonder what part of Israel article is some facts based and what part is speculation. Basically every analyze has both in various degree and producing good analyze is as much an art as science. Let’s see how thing will go.

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  58. hungry says:

    Eat the Rich!

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  59. @Sergey Krieger
    He was also a liar. His numbers about numbers of executed are orders of magnitude larger than real one. Looks like he loved not Russia but himself in Russia preferably venerated Tolstoy style.

    He was actually pretty close – though the numbers weren’t his.

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    Исследование историка и публициста Егора Холмогорова на тему демографических потерь в России от Революции до Второй мировой войны
     
    Holmogorov is a mediocre publicist, with no serious academic background, who wouldn't be able to solve simplest linear equation and he is NO historian--he is the same shyster as Prosvirnin, Dugin or any other public personas in Russia most of who are products of a post-Soviet educational collapse. Using him as a "source" on anything is preposterous. Same thing as developing operational plans with the help of Dugin's consultations.
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  60. JustJeff says:

    Также как Немцы однажды говорили: жид наш беда.

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  61. @Anatoly Karlin

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia.
     
    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.

    What you call sovok built what guys like you eat.

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    When they weren't themselves eating American grain imports, that is.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    What you call sovok built what guys like you eat.
     
    He cannot have opinion one way or another, he wasn't born then--look at his "circle" and" idols" and his track record of "predicting" anything Russia related and all becomes patently clear.
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  62. utu says:
    @Anon
    On topic, hoping to elicit comments:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5315353/Tycoon-swaps-Putins-daughter-glamorous-socialite.html

    Slightly OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5314897/George-Soros-calls-Trump-blistering-Davos-speech.html

    That masterful Freud! Mafia govmn't = pure projection. Plus the war cry for 2018 is official.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn... beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.

    Nothing knew coming form unreformed Stalinists like Shamir-the-Jewish-Provocateur. It is also the envy talking.

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  63. renfro says:

    The Three Alpha Jews had been mentioned in the Steele Dossier as the conduit of Putin influence for Trump and against Clinton in the recent US Presidential elections.

    You mean these Jews?

    ”Three Russian businessmen, Mikhail Fridman, Petr Aven and German Khan have sued Washington investigations firm Fusion GPS and its founder, Glenn Simpson, with allegations that they were libeled in Steele’s dossier.
    Read more: undefined/fast-forward/384556/russian-jewish-businessmen-sue-after-being-named-in-spys-trump-dossier/

    Those Jews and Alfa bank are a interesting read ….. the Alfa Bank server binged Trump’s server 2300 times during the campaign…spam or something else?

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-investigation-continues-into-odd-computer-link-between-russian-bank-and-trump-organization/index.html

    Jared Kushner is the only person in the Trump ‘family’ I can find who ever met any Afla bankers. Afla is owned by three Russian Jewish billionaires with ties to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu : Mikhail Fridman, Pyotr Aven and German Khan.

    https://thesternfacts.com/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-invested-money-with-a-russian-oligarch-d31dfecc0a2d

    The Kushners attended a charity event with Abramovich in early 2014 that included representatives from Russia’s Alfa Bank who is under FBI investigation, and the Russian Foreign Minister’s daughter along with numerous Russian oligarchs.
    Last week, Bloomberg exposed that event along with Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump’s years long relationship with Kremlin-linked oligarch, Roman Abramovich, and to his family.
    Kushner and Abramovich even invested money together in one of his family funds, until he joined the White House staff. Kushner-owned venture capital firm Thrive invests in startup businesses .Thrive accepted investment cash for Artsy.net from Roman Abramovich’s wife. Bloomberg reports:
    The couple attended a charity event with Abramovich in early 2014 that included representatives from Russia’s Alfa Bank who is under FBI investigation, and the Russian Foreign Minister’s daughter along with numerous Russian oligarchs”

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  64. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    What you call sovok built what guys like you eat.

    When they weren’t themselves eating American grain imports, that is.

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    Do not kid yourself.
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  65. @Anatoly Karlin

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia.
     
    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.

    Well, Anatol, this is how his words were understood at the time. You can watch his speech in the US Congress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk7bXga0d3I – it is quite messy, with voiceover, but you can figure out the gist: Russians have superior nuclear weaponry, their nuclear superiority grows; you should not wait until your youth will have to defend the borders of your continent. I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.
    This is how it was understood, too. Years later, in 1999, Solzhenitsyn wrote in “The Grain Between the Millstones:” “My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it, but that’s how it reached our compatriots … Try to prove them otherwise now.” (The New World, 1999, N 2, p. 83).
    So even Solzh didn’t ascribe it to “sovok” (the USSR), but to the US media that “distorted” his message. If the US media distorted, he had plenty of time to say he was misunderstood; but somehow he did not do it. In my view, for a good reason: he was well and properly understood, but with years he changed his view. He still lacked integrity to admit this change in his outlook.

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    I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.
     
    So its what you 'think'.....but he didn't say exactly that.
    Its a given that US Jewish media would slant whatever he did say.
    Russian thought to English speak doesn't express very well anyway.
    , @utu

    I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.
     
    What you think does not matter anymore.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    You are certainly free to interpret his speech as a call for a preemptive strike - I interpret it in terms of what Solzhenitsyn actually said, namely, as a call to the US not to fall behind in the arms' race, so to continue deterring Soviet aggression.

    Here is a 1982 letter to Reagan in which Solzhenitsyn explained his refusal to meet with him on account of being lumped together with East European Russophobes and clearly sets out his actual (as opposed to imputed) views on a nuclear strike against the USSR.

    If individuals thinking as I do come to power in the U.S.S.R., their first action would be to withdraw from Central America, from Africa, from Asia, from Eastern Europe, leaving all these nations to their own untrammeled fate. Their second step would be to cease the deadly arms race and to direct all the nation's forces toward healing the internal, almost century-long wounds of an almost dying population. Without any doubt they would throw wide open the exit gates for those who wish to emigrate from our hapless country.

    But how surprising: All this does not suit some of your close advisers! They want something different. They define such a program as "extreme Russian nationalism." And some U.S. generals suggest destroying selectively the Russian population by an atomic assault.

    It is strange how Russian national consciousness inspires the greatest fear in the world today for the rulers of the U.S.S.R. -- and within your entourage. It is the revelation of a hostility to Russia as such, to her people and to the country as distinct from the state structure, which is characteristic of a significant part of the American educated community, American financial circles and, alas, even of some of your advisers. Such a frame of mind is pernicious for the future of both our nations.

    Mr. President, it is hard for me to write this letter. But I think that if, anywhere, a meeting with you were deemed undesirable because you are an American patriot, you would also feel insulted.
     
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  66. @Andrei Martyanov

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    When did Solzhenitsyn gain the sainthood status? Can you remind us please.

    Aleksandr Solshenitsyn hasn’t become a saint, but he was a writer in a class so far above Israel Shamir’s that Shamir can only harm his own image by taking a swipe at Solzhenitsyn.

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    Aleksandr Solshenitsyn hasn’t become a saint, but he was a writer in a class so far above Israel Shamir’s that Shamir can only harm his own image by taking a swipe at Solzhenitsyn.
     
    Seriously? First, who decides the "class" to start with. Secondly, I am about to harm greatly my own image, albeit I am not a writer, I read all Solzhenitsyn, well--I lie--I barely lasted through parts of his Red Wheels tedious mediocrity--but I can tell you one thing, he is NO Bulgakov. He, certainly, is not even close to the vicinity of Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Turgenev or Gogol. Solzh "appearance" in Russian public schools' literature curriculum, namely Mternin Dvor and some "synopsis" of GULAG is a personal initiative of Vladimir Putin.
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  67. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia.
     
    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.

    Shamir gets more and more disgusting.

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  68. @Anatoly Karlin

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia.
     
    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.

    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.

    Anatoly, educate yourself. Can you stop passing opinions on things you have no clue about?

    Solzhenitsyn wrote in “The Grain between the Millstones:” “My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it, but that’s how it reached our compatriots … Try to prove them otherwise now.” Of course somebody “distorted” it. Solzhenitsyn never had free will, always somebody was guilty.

    But he did, as he did support war in Vietnam. Obviously Solzh’s statements, captured by American Cold War propaganda reels are completely imagined. /s

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    Everybody supported war in Vietnam including Soviets, only difference was which side.
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  69. @Anatoly Karlin
    He was actually pretty close - though the numbers weren't his.

    Исследование историка и публициста Егора Холмогорова на тему демографических потерь в России от Революции до Второй мировой войны

    Holmogorov is a mediocre publicist, with no serious academic background, who wouldn’t be able to solve simplest linear equation and he is NO historian–he is the same shyster as Prosvirnin, Dugin or any other public personas in Russia most of who are products of a post-Soviet educational collapse. Using him as a “source” on anything is preposterous. Same thing as developing operational plans with the help of Dugin’s consultations.

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  70. @Anon
    When they weren't themselves eating American grain imports, that is.

    Do not kid yourself.

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  71. renfro says:
    @Israel Shamir
    It is a common view prevailing in Russia that Solzhenitsyn's Archipelago GULAG is a work of fiction, very loosely connected to reality, but fitting the narrative of Conquest (and of German Nazi ideologues, too). While in emigration, Mr Solzhenitsyn called upon the US to nuke Russia. He also spoke approvingly of General Vlasov, the Russian General who turned his coat during the WW2.
    Mr Putin is an admirer of Solzh. His work fits the pro-White tendency that rose in Russia after 1990.

    As for the Jews, his best (and definitely non politically correct at all) work is http://solarchive.narod.ru/sol_jews.html - his later 200 years together is a much longer and made more politically correct retelling of the former.
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    Just read it, thanks. The US is a repeT of those times, it seems!
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  72. @Israel Shamir

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    Solzhenitsyn had suffered of Illarionov Syndrome. As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia. He re-wrote his books to fit this new neurosis. Yes, eventually he had recovered from this emigre disease.

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense,

    He also missed completely 20+ years of the Soviet Union in the times when there was no internet and even phone call from Vermont to Mosco0w was problematic–hence epistolary and “rumors”. So, he comes back in 1990s to a country and nation of which he simply has no clue about (not that he had it to start with) while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR). I remember reading that in Izvestia and questioning sanity of what I was reading. By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die. As an explicit lack of the mourners at his funeral showed, the rumors of him being “the consciousness of Russia” were greatly exaggerated. Indeed, what kind of Russian literature giant requires a special statement from the President of Russian Federation insisting that Solzh was not a traitor but meant only good. Never heard of such clarifications needed for Tolstoy, Pushkin or Dostoevsky, or, for that matter, Alexander Bloc.

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    ... while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR)
     
    Being hated by sovoks and liberals alike is the highest possible accolade.
    , @plonialmoni
    The situation of Pushkin and the Russia of his time and Solzhenytsin and the Soviet Union is what may have required the clarification that he was not a traitor for the benefit of a people who lived in an illusion. No one can take a person who can't tell the difference seriously.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Another Don Quichote ?

    Did you at least read Quiet Don?
    , @plonialmoni
    When Pushkin died, who was a great writer, it was not necessary to tell the people that he was not a traitor for obvious reasons. When Solzhenytsin died, who was also a great writer, he had denounced the system, the ideology, and the society of the Soviet Union. So when Solzhenytsin died it seems reasonable that there were many "Post-Communists" who had been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the Soviet system, who may have needed a little help, or, shall we say, a "clarification" to help them understand that Solzhenytsin was not a traitor even though he exposed the gulag and the failures of the Soviet system and that there was a new reality. You seem to be such a person, for example, but you also seem to need a great deal more clarification. Also some re-education to eliminate the word "moron" and "idiot" in favor of more nuanced thinking.
    , @Seraphim
    @By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die.

    He returned in 1990 and died in 2008. Eighteen years! Apparently the same time that you lived outside Russia. He wrote 'Two Hundred Years Together' during this time. He published it in 2003! I guess you did not read it. It has too many footnotes and that makes it 'tedious'.

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  73. renfro says:
    @Israel Shamir
    Well, Anatol, this is how his words were understood at the time. You can watch his speech in the US Congress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk7bXga0d3I - it is quite messy, with voiceover, but you can figure out the gist: Russians have superior nuclear weaponry, their nuclear superiority grows; you should not wait until your youth will have to defend the borders of your continent. I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.
    This is how it was understood, too. Years later, in 1999, Solzhenitsyn wrote in "The Grain Between the Millstones:" "My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it, but that's how it reached our compatriots ... Try to prove them otherwise now." (The New World, 1999, N 2, p. 83).
    So even Solzh didn't ascribe it to "sovok" (the USSR), but to the US media that "distorted" his message. If the US media distorted, he had plenty of time to say he was misunderstood; but somehow he did not do it. In my view, for a good reason: he was well and properly understood, but with years he changed his view. He still lacked integrity to admit this change in his outlook.

    I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.

    So its what you ‘think’…..but he didn’t say exactly that.
    Its a given that US Jewish media would slant whatever he did say.
    Russian thought to English speak doesn’t express very well anyway.

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  74. @Sergey Krieger
    What you call sovok built what guys like you eat.

    What you call sovok built what guys like you eat.

    He cannot have opinion one way or another, he wasn’t born then–look at his “circle” and” idols” and his track record of “predicting” anything Russia related and all becomes patently clear.

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    Reading what Anatolii is writing I wonder what Russia he really likes. The one that was lost in 1917? The one where mammoths roamed? Some imaginative fantastic thing. I myself am out of touch with what is going on quite obviously unless i live there for some time and have good sources. Reading blogs and news and talking to relatives while helpful still not enough. Hence he obviously has no clue about ussr.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    1. Actually I was born "then" (in 1988) and had to take an extended sojourn to the West c.1994-2016 because it turned out the sovok cattle loved MacDonald's more than their own shithole country.

    http://i.imgur.com/g2hXUm0.jpg

    2. I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia's demographic recovery - back in 2008. I await a list of your predictive accomplishments wrt Russia.
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  75. @Twodees Partain
    Aleksandr Solshenitsyn hasn't become a saint, but he was a writer in a class so far above Israel Shamir's that Shamir can only harm his own image by taking a swipe at Solzhenitsyn.

    Aleksandr Solshenitsyn hasn’t become a saint, but he was a writer in a class so far above Israel Shamir’s that Shamir can only harm his own image by taking a swipe at Solzhenitsyn.

    Seriously? First, who decides the “class” to start with. Secondly, I am about to harm greatly my own image, albeit I am not a writer, I read all Solzhenitsyn, well–I lie–I barely lasted through parts of his Red Wheels tedious mediocrity–but I can tell you one thing, he is NO Bulgakov. He, certainly, is not even close to the vicinity of Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Turgenev or Gogol. Solzh “appearance” in Russian public schools’ literature curriculum, namely Mternin Dvor and some “synopsis” of GULAG is a personal initiative of Vladimir Putin.

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    Yes, seriously. When your jibe about sainthood falls flat, you have to quibble about classes of writers. Mr. Shamir is primarily a journalist, though he has has had books published and has self published other books. Still, his works haven't achieved the level of readership that the works of Solzhenitsyn clearly have. That does put him in a class of writers below Solzhenitsyn, by way of publication and recognition.

    Yes, Andrei, there are classes of writers. You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am. The difference between us is that you are denigrating the work of a writer while I am not. I also didn't claim that Solzhenitsyn is in the same class as Tolstoy or Dostoevsky, which he clearly is not.

    It isn't clear how you are greatly harming your own image when you have none to harm.

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  76. Solzhenicin is mere diversion in this article yet discussion is going not along article’s main line.

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  77. utu says:
    @Israel Shamir
    Well, Anatol, this is how his words were understood at the time. You can watch his speech in the US Congress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk7bXga0d3I - it is quite messy, with voiceover, but you can figure out the gist: Russians have superior nuclear weaponry, their nuclear superiority grows; you should not wait until your youth will have to defend the borders of your continent. I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.
    This is how it was understood, too. Years later, in 1999, Solzhenitsyn wrote in "The Grain Between the Millstones:" "My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it, but that's how it reached our compatriots ... Try to prove them otherwise now." (The New World, 1999, N 2, p. 83).
    So even Solzh didn't ascribe it to "sovok" (the USSR), but to the US media that "distorted" his message. If the US media distorted, he had plenty of time to say he was misunderstood; but somehow he did not do it. In my view, for a good reason: he was well and properly understood, but with years he changed his view. He still lacked integrity to admit this change in his outlook.

    I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.

    What you think does not matter anymore.

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  78. Aon says:

    Author is wrong on Solzenicin
    Autor did not elaborate on the background of thpse two groups: both parasitic groups are almost exclusively dual citizens, holders of israeli passport.
    Facts are there, but the dots are not connected the way, how things really happened.

    Hence, for my part, this is good not for independent page, like unz, but rather a psyop, propaganda, or a sort of games between some agencies.

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    This article is not about Solzhenicin. It is about serious and far more important things than some old man mentioned just slightly. It is so easy to distract people by trivialities.
    , @utu

    this is good not for independent page, like unz, but rather a psyop, propaganda, or a sort of games between some agencies
     
    You got it right. But would you expect anything better from Shamir? Very shady character. Not sure who are his handlers but no question that he has some.
    , @utu
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir

    Norman Finkelstein is quoted by Tablet magazine article "His Jewish Problem" as saying that Shamir "has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true".[22] Manfred Ropschitz in the Independent Media Center article writes that "For twenty years the Jewish Israeli journalist Israel Shamir has been living a double life as a Swede called Jöran Jermas".[19]

    Searchlight describes him as a "Swedish anti-semite",[23] and says that was registered in Sweden in 1984 and gained Swedish citizenship in 1992.[12] He left Sweden for Russia and then Israel in 1993, before returning in 1998, having remarried in Israel in July 1994.[23] However, others argue that Swedish files show that he was married in Sweden.[24] He was known as Jöran Jermas from 2001 to 2005, before changing his name to Adam Ermash, although continuing to use Israel Shamir as a pen name

    According to him, he studied mathematics and law at Novosibirsk University. He moved to Israel in 1969,[11][12][13] and states that he served as paratrooper in the Israel Defense Forces and fought in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.[14] After the war, he says he returned to studying law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, but abandoned this for a career in journalism.[
     
    , @utu
    Israel Shamir, born Izrail Schmerler and known by the pseudonyms Jöran Jermas, Adam Ermash, Vassili Krasevsky, and Robert David https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir

    Shamir is not whitewashing just Stalin on Bolshevik crimes but also Pol Pot's

    Shamir wrote a column defending Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge regime, writing that, "The Pol Pot the Cambodians remember was not a tyrant, but a great patriot and nationalist, a lover of native culture and native way of life." He further claimed that, "As for the mass killings, these are just horror stories, averred my Cambodian interlocutors."[13] The Phnom Penh Post sarcastically replied, "We must admit we were swayed when Shamir provided conclusive proof that the KR genocides were either inept or out-and-out fabrications: he alerted us to the fact that the population of Cambodia has doubled since 1970. We eagerly await his next Counterpunch article, 'Population of Europe has increased by a factor of six since 1939, therefore World War II never happened.
     
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  79. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    We do not need to revisit the theme if Hitler was bad boy or not.
    But Putin's economist could check out what German economist did when Hitler took power.

    Ooops! Meant to hit the agree button.

    You’re right: Hitler’s economic policies were extremely effective. They completely eliminated unemployment in Germany within two years, creating a recovery so robust that it helped pull several neighboring states out of the depression , too.

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    Naturally you are correct. After Hitler came to power Jews declared trade embargo on Germany.
    US declared sanctions on Russia, There I do see a similarity. That is why I was thinking that Russians possible could learn something from Germany.
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  80. @Aon
    Author is wrong on Solzenicin
    Autor did not elaborate on the background of thpse two groups: both parasitic groups are almost exclusively dual citizens, holders of israeli passport.
    Facts are there, but the dots are not connected the way, how things really happened.

    Hence, for my part, this is good not for independent page, like unz, but rather a psyop, propaganda, or a sort of games between some agencies.

    This article is not about Solzhenicin. It is about serious and far more important things than some old man mentioned just slightly. It is so easy to distract people by trivialities.

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  81. @Andrei Martyanov

    What you call sovok built what guys like you eat.
     
    He cannot have opinion one way or another, he wasn't born then--look at his "circle" and" idols" and his track record of "predicting" anything Russia related and all becomes patently clear.

    Reading what Anatolii is writing I wonder what Russia he really likes. The one that was lost in 1917? The one where mammoths roamed? Some imaginative fantastic thing. I myself am out of touch with what is going on quite obviously unless i live there for some time and have good sources. Reading blogs and news and talking to relatives while helpful still not enough. Hence he obviously has no clue about ussr.

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    Reading what Anatolii is writing I wonder what Russia he really likes
     
    The Russia in which he will be hailed as a major "intellectual" figure in accordance to his very personal (highly uneducated) views.

    The one that was lost in 1917?
     
    He doesn't know anything about that one too. For a person who tries to argue with Russia's Imperial General Staff numbers as one example of many, facts on the ground do not really matter. For this public, as it was the case with their idol Solzh, the difference between loving Russia and her people and loving oneself in Russia is of minor consequence. But after reading Karlin's general views on warfare one kinda gets a psychiatric reasons for worshiping such people like Solzh. In general, Solzhenitsyn was unlucky--he has gotten totally unworthy for him, low life Russians as "his" people. He certainly should have gotten a much better, much more worthy of him nation.
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  82. ID says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    With all due respect that is a joke. Vlasov never lived up to WW2
    Vlasov was the leader of whites in revolution and he was eventually killed by Reds.

    U confuse something.
    Vlasov fought on side of Germany, like Bandera did.
    Search it up, do not trust Shamir, do not trust me, just make a search and trust your eyes only.

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    I do not want to offend you.
    So only shortly.
    There were only handful of Russian generals in WW2
    Even in German army the number of generals hardly crossed ten.
    Every Russian General had a large general staff,and also quite a number of commissars who followed the general even to a toilet. German generals did have a large staff also and had a SS present.
    Generals in ww2 as a rule lead the armies. Divisions in army were from four to six and they were commanded by colonels. Battalions were commanded by majors. this was quite rule.

    Please do not compare it to today's US army where even battalions are led by a general.
    General having his commissars and staff around him simply had no chance to escape and change sides.
    Also the general had no chance to convince six divisions to change sides.
    The all idea is ridiculously preposterous.
    To compare a Russian general to Bandera is really hilarious.
    Bandera was a a head of rag tag militia without any military structure.

    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    p.s.
    One Russian division in WW2 had from 50 to 80 thousand fighting man.
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  83. @Israel Shamir
    Ilyana, google or read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov

    O. K. so it is not your fault. What is there in Wikipedia is total crap. From beginning to the end.
    First; there was never Prague uprising . Zero zilch.
    Second; the core of German army was on Czech territory. Russian bypassed it and went with full force on Berlin. After Hitlers death all army surrendered. There was no fight on Czech territory.
    On the beginning of https is a disclaimer read it.
    There was uprising in Polish city Warshava and on the territory of Slovakia.
    I have never heard about any Vlasov General in Russian army.
    Southern front of Russian Army was led by Zhukov.

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    Beware of Zionist dominated Wikipedia references.

    When it comes to any topic that is known to be of special financial & political interests to Jews, you can bet the fix will be in.

    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    www.codoh.com
    , @Twodees Partain
    "There was no fight on Czech territory."

    That's true to a large degree. When film makers want to set a film in 18th century Dresden or Vienna, they often use Prague's Old Town district as a filming location because the architecture of that city wasn't destroyed in WWII.
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  84. Kiza says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    As a matter of fact the source of all so called old money is destruction and sell off of Soviet people property built over 70 years period which resulted in massive economic, social and demographic catastrophe. That death on hands of Soviet state underpinned the whole safety net and lives of millions. This all was taken over, most was merely destroyed for sell of and quick profits and left was left to continuously provide thieves with cash streams they still enjoy. In short, old money = blood money. With really national people interests minded government and state, everything owned in Russia by this folk must be confiscated and them offered their lives for the return of say 95% of everything they managed to offshore making it easier for them. Not only Stalin had ice picks...

    Firstly, thanks for the answer Sergey. Neither the ruling Russian pragmatist Putin, nor little me would agree with your lefty ideological approach to this, you know what they say – try eating your ideology, jobs are jobs. Almost all rich people in this world got rich by stealing and now they are “honest” job creators.

    Secondly, the comments section gets dominated by the Karlin Troll Club again.

    Finally, this article is mostly a collection of rumours. Rumours can be extremely useful when cross-checked with facts, they can fill in the big picture. All the critics should go to MSM if they want the factual approach (which is all lies), for my personal quest to establish the truth an honest rumor is way better than a lying fact.

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    Kiza, do not kid me regarding job creators... in ussr there was 100% employment with guaranteed employment according to studied occupation upon graduation. Those would bring free apartments for life with smallish rents and utilities payments per month that I spent more on ice cream and cinemas. Second, while allwealth was created through theft in case of Russia it takes extreme case that is not going to be tolerated and original sin will result in thieves eventually losing proceeds. They stole what already was built and provided everything and was working far better than now under them. It is good to read such articles even based upon rumors. If Putin or whoever later won't resolve the whole issue of the theft and restoration of justice it will be akin Tsarist policy of 19th century of not resolving peasant question and which led to Russian revolution of 20th century. With thieves in control and with proceeds it is impossible to move forward and socialism one way or another seems like destiny for Russia. It is better to do it peacefully.
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  85. @Israel Shamir
    Well, Anatol, this is how his words were understood at the time. You can watch his speech in the US Congress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk7bXga0d3I - it is quite messy, with voiceover, but you can figure out the gist: Russians have superior nuclear weaponry, their nuclear superiority grows; you should not wait until your youth will have to defend the borders of your continent. I think it is a clear call for pre-emptive nuclear strike.
    This is how it was understood, too. Years later, in 1999, Solzhenitsyn wrote in "The Grain Between the Millstones:" "My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it, but that's how it reached our compatriots ... Try to prove them otherwise now." (The New World, 1999, N 2, p. 83).
    So even Solzh didn't ascribe it to "sovok" (the USSR), but to the US media that "distorted" his message. If the US media distorted, he had plenty of time to say he was misunderstood; but somehow he did not do it. In my view, for a good reason: he was well and properly understood, but with years he changed his view. He still lacked integrity to admit this change in his outlook.

    You are certainly free to interpret his speech as a call for a preemptive strike – I interpret it in terms of what Solzhenitsyn actually said, namely, as a call to the US not to fall behind in the arms’ race, so to continue deterring Soviet aggression.

    Here is a 1982 letter to Reagan in which Solzhenitsyn explained his refusal to meet with him on account of being lumped together with East European Russophobes and clearly sets out his actual (as opposed to imputed) views on a nuclear strike against the USSR.

    If individuals thinking as I do come to power in the U.S.S.R., their first action would be to withdraw from Central America, from Africa, from Asia, from Eastern Europe, leaving all these nations to their own untrammeled fate. Their second step would be to cease the deadly arms race and to direct all the nation’s forces toward healing the internal, almost century-long wounds of an almost dying population. Without any doubt they would throw wide open the exit gates for those who wish to emigrate from our hapless country.

    But how surprising: All this does not suit some of your close advisers! They want something different. They define such a program as “extreme Russian nationalism.” And some U.S. generals suggest destroying selectively the Russian population by an atomic assault.

    It is strange how Russian national consciousness inspires the greatest fear in the world today for the rulers of the U.S.S.R. — and within your entourage. It is the revelation of a hostility to Russia as such, to her people and to the country as distinct from the state structure, which is characteristic of a significant part of the American educated community, American financial circles and, alas, even of some of your advisers. Such a frame of mind is pernicious for the future of both our nations.

    Mr. President, it is hard for me to write this letter. But I think that if, anywhere, a meeting with you were deemed undesirable because you are an American patriot, you would also feel insulted.

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    You are certainly free to interpret his speech as a call for a preemptive strike – I interpret it in terms of what Solzhenitsyn actually said, namely, as a call to the US not to fall behind in the arms’ race, so to continue deterring Soviet aggression.
     
    So, you have a background to "interpret" this. LOL. have you tried bypass heart surgeries in your garage in a spare time. Hey, hobby. Have you tried to write on gastroenterology or on quantum mechanics?
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  86. @Andrei Martyanov

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense,
     
    He also missed completely 20+ years of the Soviet Union in the times when there was no internet and even phone call from Vermont to Mosco0w was problematic--hence epistolary and "rumors". So, he comes back in 1990s to a country and nation of which he simply has no clue about (not that he had it to start with) while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR). I remember reading that in Izvestia and questioning sanity of what I was reading. By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die. As an explicit lack of the mourners at his funeral showed, the rumors of him being "the consciousness of Russia" were greatly exaggerated. Indeed, what kind of Russian literature giant requires a special statement from the President of Russian Federation insisting that Solzh was not a traitor but meant only good. Never heard of such clarifications needed for Tolstoy, Pushkin or Dostoevsky, or, for that matter, Alexander Bloc.

    … while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR)

    Being hated by sovoks and liberals alike is the highest possible accolade.

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    Being hated by sovoks and liberals alike is the highest possible accolade.
     
    As was expected, platitudes and no substance. FYI, you are liberal, you just don't want to admit it to yourself, your puffy uneducated "nationalist" rhetoric can not hide this simple fact that you have no idea of Russia's history, not to mention the lack of knowledge of great Russian literature. Moreover Solzh is not hated by Sovoks only, however your fringe cabal of so called pseudo-intellectuals, interprets this term, which is highly Russian in its very essence. But then again, I am not here to read lectures on Pochvinnechestvo.
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  87. @Andrei Martyanov

    What you call sovok built what guys like you eat.
     
    He cannot have opinion one way or another, he wasn't born then--look at his "circle" and" idols" and his track record of "predicting" anything Russia related and all becomes patently clear.

    1. Actually I was born “then” (in 1988) and had to take an extended sojourn to the West c.1994-2016 because it turned out the sovok cattle loved MacDonald’s more than their own shithole country.

    2. I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008. I await a list of your predictive accomplishments wrt Russia.

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    1. Actually I was born “then” (in 1988) and had to take an extended sojourn to the West c.1994-2016 because it turned out the sovok cattle loved MacDonald’s more than their own shithole country.
     
    LOL! I love the masks being dropped. Anatoly, you are not Russian--you are a typical SF West Coast American hipster, a product of a pathetic American humanities educational field, who would use any ideological "cover" (today it is so called "nationalism" of likes of this moron Prosvirnin, tomorrow it will be Navalny, after tomorrow it will be whoever is hip) just to realize own hipster aspirations.

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008. I await a list of your predictive accomplishments wrt Russia.
     
    Spare me this BS. Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia's demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s. FYI, my daughter is significantly older than you are. Why don't you take credit for the sunset and sunrise? But you are correct--you are a pundit, a classic embodiment of an American talking and writing heads class--badly educated with no experiences or serious skills, who write all kinds of BS, which never comes true. Well, you are effectively a modified version of Julia Ioffe with a slight angular shift in the polar system of coordinates. Basically, you are a part of the problem, which brought this world to the brink of a major war thanks to the US "elites" complete failure to learn what they are dealing with in Russia. In fact, you would find a perfect employment as Russia "expert" in Stated Department or CIA. This is the kind of "expertise" they were using for decades now. That is why this country is in toilet now.
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  88. @Anatoly Karlin

    ... while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR)
     
    Being hated by sovoks and liberals alike is the highest possible accolade.

    Being hated by sovoks and liberals alike is the highest possible accolade.

    As was expected, platitudes and no substance. FYI, you are liberal, you just don’t want to admit it to yourself, your puffy uneducated “nationalist” rhetoric can not hide this simple fact that you have no idea of Russia’s history, not to mention the lack of knowledge of great Russian literature. Moreover Solzh is not hated by Sovoks only, however your fringe cabal of so called pseudo-intellectuals, interprets this term, which is highly Russian in its very essence. But then again, I am not here to read lectures on Pochvinnechestvo.

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  89. @Anatoly Karlin
    1. Actually I was born "then" (in 1988) and had to take an extended sojourn to the West c.1994-2016 because it turned out the sovok cattle loved MacDonald's more than their own shithole country.

    http://i.imgur.com/g2hXUm0.jpg

    2. I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia's demographic recovery - back in 2008. I await a list of your predictive accomplishments wrt Russia.

    1. Actually I was born “then” (in 1988) and had to take an extended sojourn to the West c.1994-2016 because it turned out the sovok cattle loved MacDonald’s more than their own shithole country.

    LOL! I love the masks being dropped. Anatoly, you are not Russian–you are a typical SF West Coast American hipster, a product of a pathetic American humanities educational field, who would use any ideological “cover” (today it is so called “nationalism” of likes of this moron Prosvirnin, tomorrow it will be Navalny, after tomorrow it will be whoever is hip) just to realize own hipster aspirations.

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008. I await a list of your predictive accomplishments wrt Russia.

    Spare me this BS. Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s. FYI, my daughter is significantly older than you are. Why don’t you take credit for the sunset and sunrise? But you are correct–you are a pundit, a classic embodiment of an American talking and writing heads class–badly educated with no experiences or serious skills, who write all kinds of BS, which never comes true. Well, you are effectively a modified version of Julia Ioffe with a slight angular shift in the polar system of coordinates. Basically, you are a part of the problem, which brought this world to the brink of a major war thanks to the US “elites” complete failure to learn what they are dealing with in Russia. In fact, you would find a perfect employment as Russia “expert” in Stated Department or CIA. This is the kind of “expertise” they were using for decades now. That is why this country is in toilet now.

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    Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s.
     
    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you're talking about.
    , @renfro
    ALL of you need to shut the hell up...you have hijacked this entire thread away from the article subject...

    No one gives a rats ass which of you is the best Russian ......if you want to continue your juvenile pie fight go get a room some where.

    , @yurivku
    Agree, agree, agree

    In fact, you would find a perfect employment as Russia “expert” in Stated Department or CIA. This is the kind of “expertise” they were using for decades now. That is why this country is in toilet now.
     
    Good representative of our "liberal" circles. But to Anatoly's profit I should agree that despite his negative and slighting attention to our country and it's destiny - He's not that full of hate to it like Ioffe-s like reporters.
    He just likes being on top of our medium class not thinking much about those who are in the bottom. They saying - you should have worked harder ...

    But now it's a time when nobody could stay in between, now everybody should select his side.
    We'll see soon who actually Anatoly is.
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  90. @Seamus Padraig
    Ooops! Meant to hit the agree button.

    You're right: Hitler's economic policies were extremely effective. They completely eliminated unemployment in Germany within two years, creating a recovery so robust that it helped pull several neighboring states out of the depression , too.

    Naturally you are correct. After Hitler came to power Jews declared trade embargo on Germany.
    US declared sanctions on Russia, There I do see a similarity. That is why I was thinking that Russians possible could learn something from Germany.

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    Here we go.

    https://redice.tv/a/c/n/09/5951judeawar.07feb05a.jpg

    www.codoh.com
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Happy to note that in neither case were the sanctions terribly effective. The best thing Putin could do now would be to get rid of the Rothschilds and nationalize the Russian Central Bank.
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  91. @Andrei Martyanov

    1. Actually I was born “then” (in 1988) and had to take an extended sojourn to the West c.1994-2016 because it turned out the sovok cattle loved MacDonald’s more than their own shithole country.
     
    LOL! I love the masks being dropped. Anatoly, you are not Russian--you are a typical SF West Coast American hipster, a product of a pathetic American humanities educational field, who would use any ideological "cover" (today it is so called "nationalism" of likes of this moron Prosvirnin, tomorrow it will be Navalny, after tomorrow it will be whoever is hip) just to realize own hipster aspirations.

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008. I await a list of your predictive accomplishments wrt Russia.
     
    Spare me this BS. Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia's demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s. FYI, my daughter is significantly older than you are. Why don't you take credit for the sunset and sunrise? But you are correct--you are a pundit, a classic embodiment of an American talking and writing heads class--badly educated with no experiences or serious skills, who write all kinds of BS, which never comes true. Well, you are effectively a modified version of Julia Ioffe with a slight angular shift in the polar system of coordinates. Basically, you are a part of the problem, which brought this world to the brink of a major war thanks to the US "elites" complete failure to learn what they are dealing with in Russia. In fact, you would find a perfect employment as Russia "expert" in Stated Department or CIA. This is the kind of "expertise" they were using for decades now. That is why this country is in toilet now.

    Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s.

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.

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    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
    Unlike you, I never talk about what I don't know. I just pointed out to you that there were people who "predicted" Russia's demographic recovery probably by the time you went into the middle-school. So, your statement:

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008
     
    Is a complete BS. You were not "only". Any moron in early 2000s knew that depopulation was a result of a homicidal social policies of the so called "reformers". Once Maternity Capital program was launched in 2007 it was clear that there will be recovery. The program was in works since early 2000s--I am sure that they waited for your prediction in 2008 to start planning recovery before. What a load of baloney.
    , @Dmitry
    Anatoly - have you posted about regional differences ( how birthrates are highest in the North Caucasus regions and in Tuva – while lowest in Leningrad Oblast)?

    Also another issue is to discuss how birthrates are up, but the increase in total fertility rate is more moderate (i.e. still below replacement level, as it is in America).

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  92. @Sergey Krieger
    Reading what Anatolii is writing I wonder what Russia he really likes. The one that was lost in 1917? The one where mammoths roamed? Some imaginative fantastic thing. I myself am out of touch with what is going on quite obviously unless i live there for some time and have good sources. Reading blogs and news and talking to relatives while helpful still not enough. Hence he obviously has no clue about ussr.

    Reading what Anatolii is writing I wonder what Russia he really likes

    The Russia in which he will be hailed as a major “intellectual” figure in accordance to his very personal (highly uneducated) views.

    The one that was lost in 1917?

    He doesn’t know anything about that one too. For a person who tries to argue with Russia’s Imperial General Staff numbers as one example of many, facts on the ground do not really matter. For this public, as it was the case with their idol Solzh, the difference between loving Russia and her people and loving oneself in Russia is of minor consequence. But after reading Karlin’s general views on warfare one kinda gets a psychiatric reasons for worshiping such people like Solzh. In general, Solzhenitsyn was unlucky–he has gotten totally unworthy for him, low life Russians as “his” people. He certainly should have gotten a much better, much more worthy of him nation.

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  93. @Anatoly Karlin

    Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s.
     
    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you're talking about.

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Unlike you, I never talk about what I don’t know. I just pointed out to you that there were people who “predicted” Russia’s demographic recovery probably by the time you went into the middle-school. So, your statement:

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008

    Is a complete BS. You were not “only”. Any moron in early 2000s knew that depopulation was a result of a homicidal social policies of the so called “reformers”. Once Maternity Capital program was launched in 2007 it was clear that there will be recovery. The program was in works since early 2000s–I am sure that they waited for your prediction in 2008 to start planning recovery before. What a load of baloney.

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    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
    As everyone knows, there's a great deal of crazy nonsense everywhere in the Western MSM about a Russian Conspiracy to seize control of American politics by buying ads on Facebook or maybe leaving comments on Internet websites.

    Although my own webzine hasn't yet been cited as part of Putin's Plot, given the number of Russian and generally "pro-Russian" writers I publish, presumably that may eventually occur.

    Fortunately, I have a ready-made defense. Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it's not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.

    Regarding the particular Russian demographic projections under dispute, I claim absolutely no expertise and scarcely know a single word of Russian. But I think to some extent, both Andrei and Anatoly might both be correct.

    My impression is that nearly all American demographers and media pundits projected endless Russian declines, so Anatoly may indeed have been one of the very few voices located here who was providing the correct, contrary predictions. But it's certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Let me enunciate all the ways in which this is nonsense.

    discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s.

    There were no discussions that "it was not as bad" were not going on in the late USSR, because it hid its (deteriorating) mortality statistics until Gorbachev. Although some clever Americans like the demographer Murray Feshbach independently worked out that there were major problems.

    Why don’t you take credit for the sunset and sunrise?

    Because I was the only "Russia watcher" of note in the West who predicted Russia's demographic turnaround that early. (Mark Adomanis would also qualify, but he came a couple of years later).

    I am sure you know this, but just to make sure readers are aware, Western demographic experts were incredibly pessimistic on Russia's demographic prospects from the late 1990s to the early 2010s (Nicholas Eberstadt's 2011 article "Dying Bear" is the definitive statement of this trope), the media took until about 2015 to get the message, when signs of improvement became undeniable.

    Contrary to the impression you seek to give, dominant expert opinion in Russia was far from optimistic as well. Anatoly Vishnevsky, the most prominent Russian demographer - probably undeservedly, but that's beside the point - was famously bearish on Russia's demographic prospects. And there were some good reasons for that - with the demographic "echo" of the greatly diminished 1990s cohort approaching, there would have had to be a major increase in total fertility rates to offset the imminent large reduction in the numbers of women in their childbearing age. Contrary to median expectations, that actually happened.

    Any moron in early 2000s knew that depopulation was a result of a homicidal social policies of the so called “reformers”.

    Precisely - any moron knew that. Meanwhile, people who actually studied the issue identified the problem as primarily alcohol related on the mortality side, especially Yeltsin's freeing of vodka prices; other post-Communist countries undergoing transition but which didn't have a major alcohol problem didn't see a major dip in life expectancy, as happened in 1990s Russia.

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers about the efficacy of the maternal capital program, since prior experience with such programs generally hadn't produced lasting effects.
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  94. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Israel Shamir

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    Solzhenitsyn had suffered of Illarionov Syndrome. As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia. He re-wrote his books to fit this new neurosis. Yes, eventually he had recovered from this emigre disease.

    I see I touched a bone of contention. To clarify my own comment: As I perceive you through your work –and I have not read you for long–, you are a writer who depicts reality through facts and details, which you then weave into a larger interpretation. That is, you start with objectives truths that you find out and present to the reader. This is a sign of good, honest journalism. ( I also remember a peculiar piece about the flowers of Galilee that was moving and poetic.)

    When you wrote dismissively about “horror stories”, it seems to me that you are saying Solzhenitsyn is a dishonest writer, not a fallible one, and I find that hard to reconcile with your own style of journalistic integrity.

    Let me give you my take on Gulag. It is a very intelligent book, structured to pierce through the image already present in the reader’s mind, of communism as a worthy system of government, and of the Soviet Union as a great place for the common man. Fake news or not, this image was a political reality,  the fruit of a skillfully wielded system of propaganda.  It was leveraged internationally. Perhaps Solzhenitsyn also wanted to inform other soviet citizens about the Gulag Bogeyman, I don’t know. And bear in mind that it was crafted under personal duress, which speaks volumes about the courage of the man.

    So he wrote a testimonial epic. An Acts of the Apostles, but more literary. Thus the honest subtitle: a literary experiment. With the larger picture included.  He presents the full reality of a society with a hidden network of hellholes, man-willed buildings, and railways and ports and logistics and such, capable of swallowing many lives and directed by the obscure will of the State. He presents this network as used by all the rulers (Lenin, Stalin) of said State,  he presents the laws it invoked, the night raids for the chosen captives. He details the processes by which a person is stripped of dignity. And I at least realized that all of this (policies and laws and infrastructure) did not exist 20 years before. He compares this soviet system to others, like the Tsar’s or the Inquisition. He details the life in this jungle, and how men could become more human, or not. He weaves personal “horror stories” into the larger picture of a polity that basically cannot care for the common good (for the common good is not its orientation). He finishes on the relatively low note of his liberation and exile, a truthful if less striking ending. This ending in particular is not that of a dishonest rethorician.

    It never struck me that he was attacking Russia in his writing. Definitely it was an exposé of the Soviet Government. But we have to distinguish country from people from government. A patriot should criticize his government, if his conscience so guides him. I think he was a courageous man, an individual alone against the State, with pen, paper and a formidable mind, but also someone who loved his country too well not to testify against the Gulag.

    Then I would ask: in what ways fiction, if by fiction you mean untrue:
    - the existence of a State that repressed whole classes of its people? Women and children included?
    - the existence of the network of concentration camps?
    - the fact that the prisoners were used as slave labor? Worked to death?
    - that common human compassion in the camps was prevented by the State by, for example, using guards from different nationalities than the prisoners?
    - the widespread use of torture? Or particular tortures? 
    - were particular personal stories not testimonial (true)?
    - the numbers –those pesky things– were wrong? By how much? And was it a deliberate error? 

    Mind you, even saints are human and susceptible to error, you as Christian know it. We can judge them, of course.

    Lastly, and it is honest inquiry, why do you think Putin likes him? Political expediency? Or something about the man himself?

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    The Gulag Archipelago is to my mind the greatest document to have come out of the 20th century. For the martyrdom that convulsed the peoples of the territories of the Soviet Union, was repeated at all scales large and small throughout the world. It provides a coda for understanding much of the staggering and unnecessary bloodletting during the past century, it showed among other things that one had to have a dread fear of Communists everywhere. Communist apologists are wont to take Solzhenitsyn's figure of "upto 60 million victims", the same as Robert Conquest's figure and run away with it, claiming that the whole of the Gulag Archipelago was a tissue of lies. But of course the Archipelago was much more than a recitation of numbers, it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since. Prior to reading the volumes in the late 70s, I would be shocked at atrocity stories of Japanese soldiers and their butchery in Malaysia and Singapore (for I grew up in Singapore). But after the harrowing experience of going through the GA, nothing has surprised since, including for example the genocide perpetrated by the Khmer Rouge in 1975-1978.
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  95. Ron Unz says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
    Unlike you, I never talk about what I don't know. I just pointed out to you that there were people who "predicted" Russia's demographic recovery probably by the time you went into the middle-school. So, your statement:

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008
     
    Is a complete BS. You were not "only". Any moron in early 2000s knew that depopulation was a result of a homicidal social policies of the so called "reformers". Once Maternity Capital program was launched in 2007 it was clear that there will be recovery. The program was in works since early 2000s--I am sure that they waited for your prediction in 2008 to start planning recovery before. What a load of baloney.

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    As everyone knows, there’s a great deal of crazy nonsense everywhere in the Western MSM about a Russian Conspiracy to seize control of American politics by buying ads on Facebook or maybe leaving comments on Internet websites.

    Although my own webzine hasn’t yet been cited as part of Putin’s Plot, given the number of Russian and generally “pro-Russian” writers I publish, presumably that may eventually occur.

    Fortunately, I have a ready-made defense. Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it’s not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.

    Regarding the particular Russian demographic projections under dispute, I claim absolutely no expertise and scarcely know a single word of Russian. But I think to some extent, both Andrei and Anatoly might both be correct.

    My impression is that nearly all American demographers and media pundits projected endless Russian declines, so Anatoly may indeed have been one of the very few voices located here who was providing the correct, contrary predictions. But it’s certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.

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    But it’s certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.
     
    In fact, Maternity Capital was and is precisely (financially gigantic) program which was projected to overturn demographic trends, otherwise it wouldn't have been implemented. Such programs are not implemented without very solid justifications in which projections become a crucial driver for a decision making. I stress the focus on Maternity Capital start which was in 2007. That means discussion of this program, as well as projections, were concluded at least couple years prior. For anyone who had an access to Russian segment of internet in early 2000s it would have been very easy to make "predictions".

    Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it’s not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.
     
    Oh, but you are wrong, Ron--it will be construed as an extreme case of sophistication of Russian operations of influence. You know, like those proverbial fights between friends to distract their captors attention to attack them. LOL. The oldest trick in the book.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Under communist system government did pay child support to families.
    Child support was increased for each child. It was increased to the extent that anybody who did have 5 or more children and be satisfied with modest means did no have to work anymore.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    Ron, Putin 's gold promoting true democracy
    , @Astuteobservor II
    actually, I saw a list, Unz Review was #8 on that list for russian propaganda. up 400% in that update since their last update. sorry, did not bother to save it.
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  96. Z-man says:
    @Marcello
    It was included in Hitchcock's movie "The Man Who Knew Too Much".
    It was written in English, with a Spanish title, then translated into Italian.

    Marcello wins the debate.

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  97. Z-man says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim
    Apparently it is an English invention of an Italian sounding phrase:

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/che_sara_sara

    Then Doris Day assumed it was Spanish lol

    Antlitz wins the debate! (Grin)

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  98. Z-man says:
    @Toby Keith
    Jewish oligarchs will retain "their" wealth.
    Gentile oligarchs will lose "their" wealth.

    It's that simple.

    LOL!!! But you’re right of course.

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  99. Wally says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Naturally you are correct. After Hitler came to power Jews declared trade embargo on Germany.
    US declared sanctions on Russia, There I do see a similarity. That is why I was thinking that Russians possible could learn something from Germany.
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  100. @Ron Unz

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
    As everyone knows, there's a great deal of crazy nonsense everywhere in the Western MSM about a Russian Conspiracy to seize control of American politics by buying ads on Facebook or maybe leaving comments on Internet websites.

    Although my own webzine hasn't yet been cited as part of Putin's Plot, given the number of Russian and generally "pro-Russian" writers I publish, presumably that may eventually occur.

    Fortunately, I have a ready-made defense. Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it's not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.

    Regarding the particular Russian demographic projections under dispute, I claim absolutely no expertise and scarcely know a single word of Russian. But I think to some extent, both Andrei and Anatoly might both be correct.

    My impression is that nearly all American demographers and media pundits projected endless Russian declines, so Anatoly may indeed have been one of the very few voices located here who was providing the correct, contrary predictions. But it's certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.

    But it’s certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.

    In fact, Maternity Capital was and is precisely (financially gigantic) program which was projected to overturn demographic trends, otherwise it wouldn’t have been implemented. Such programs are not implemented without very solid justifications in which projections become a crucial driver for a decision making. I stress the focus on Maternity Capital start which was in 2007. That means discussion of this program, as well as projections, were concluded at least couple years prior. For anyone who had an access to Russian segment of internet in early 2000s it would have been very easy to make “predictions”.

    Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it’s not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.

    Oh, but you are wrong, Ron–it will be construed as an extreme case of sophistication of Russian operations of influence. You know, like those proverbial fights between friends to distract their captors attention to attack them. LOL. The oldest trick in the book.

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    Let us put the abstract Maternity Capital into practice. My wife’s best friend at work is a Russian lady who speaks better English than her husband and thus she feeds the family with her job. They wanted to have a second child, after the first one was born in Russia, but it was almost impossible because she would have had to sacrifice her income after about twelve weeks of partially paid Maternity Leave. She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave. It comes as a shock to most Russians that the demographically challenged Western countries with streets paved in gold have such misserable maternity support. They all talk about bad demographic trends, but Putin did something about it.
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  101. Wally says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    O. K. so it is not your fault. What is there in Wikipedia is total crap. From beginning to the end.
    First; there was never Prague uprising . Zero zilch.
    Second; the core of German army was on Czech territory. Russian bypassed it and went with full force on Berlin. After Hitlers death all army surrendered. There was no fight on Czech territory.
    On the beginning of https is a disclaimer read it.
    There was uprising in Polish city Warshava and on the territory of Slovakia.
    I have never heard about any Vlasov General in Russian army.
    Southern front of Russian Army was led by Zhukov.

    Beware of Zionist dominated Wikipedia references.

    When it comes to any topic that is known to be of special financial & political interests to Jews, you can bet the fix will be in.

    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    http://www.codoh.com

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  102. @Andrei Martyanov

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
    Unlike you, I never talk about what I don't know. I just pointed out to you that there were people who "predicted" Russia's demographic recovery probably by the time you went into the middle-school. So, your statement:

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008
     
    Is a complete BS. You were not "only". Any moron in early 2000s knew that depopulation was a result of a homicidal social policies of the so called "reformers". Once Maternity Capital program was launched in 2007 it was clear that there will be recovery. The program was in works since early 2000s--I am sure that they waited for your prediction in 2008 to start planning recovery before. What a load of baloney.

    Let me enunciate all the ways in which this is nonsense.

    discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s.

    There were no discussions that “it was not as bad” were not going on in the late USSR, because it hid its (deteriorating) mortality statistics until Gorbachev. Although some clever Americans like the demographer Murray Feshbach independently worked out that there were major problems.

    Why don’t you take credit for the sunset and sunrise?

    Because I was the only “Russia watcher” of note in the West who predicted Russia’s demographic turnaround that early. (Mark Adomanis would also qualify, but he came a couple of years later).

    I am sure you know this, but just to make sure readers are aware, Western demographic experts were incredibly pessimistic on Russia’s demographic prospects from the late 1990s to the early 2010s (Nicholas Eberstadt’s 2011 article “Dying Bear” is the definitive statement of this trope), the media took until about 2015 to get the message, when signs of improvement became undeniable.

    Contrary to the impression you seek to give, dominant expert opinion in Russia was far from optimistic as well. Anatoly Vishnevsky, the most prominent Russian demographer – probably undeservedly, but that’s beside the point – was famously bearish on Russia’s demographic prospects. And there were some good reasons for that – with the demographic “echo” of the greatly diminished 1990s cohort approaching, there would have had to be a major increase in total fertility rates to offset the imminent large reduction in the numbers of women in their childbearing age. Contrary to median expectations, that actually happened.

    Any moron in early 2000s knew that depopulation was a result of a homicidal social policies of the so called “reformers”.

    Precisely – any moron knew that. Meanwhile, people who actually studied the issue identified the problem as primarily alcohol related on the mortality side, especially Yeltsin’s freeing of vodka prices; other post-Communist countries undergoing transition but which didn’t have a major alcohol problem didn’t see a major dip in life expectancy, as happened in 1990s Russia.

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers about the efficacy of the maternal capital program, since prior experience with such programs generally hadn’t produced lasting effects.

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    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers
     
    We can stop right here. Any qualifier "Western" demographer, military strategist, "diplomat", "thinker" etc. in anything re: Russia is as valid as me writing plays for Kabuki Theater. When my book comes out--I'll send you a copy, of course if you will express any desire. I really am not interested discussing this anymore with you since it is as "scientific" and as "based" on empirical knowledge as "knowledge" by you of Russia's 20th century history, that means--no point of discussion.

    P.S. Anatoly, you do not understand the intellectual abyss which separates you and, say, some of my classmates who graduated, among many, some educational institutions of which you never heard about.

    , @Ron Unz

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers about the efficacy of the maternal capital program, since prior experience with such programs generally hadn’t produced lasting effects.
     
    I'll admit I don't have a clue about the details of Putin's particular "maternal capital" program, but the widespread belief among Western pundits that it's extremely difficult for the government to raise the birthrates in developed countries has always seemed totally ridiculous to me. Obviously, an "unserious" effort might or might not be successful, but I think a *serious* one almost certainly would be.

    Suppose, for example, that anyone over 25 but not yet married would have their tax rate raised by 10 percentage points. Surely, young marriages would quickly skyrocket.

    Now suppose that anyone over 30 without a child also had their tax rate raised by 10 percentage points. Surely, first births to young couples would also quickly skyrocket.

    Adjust a few parameters here and there, and pretty much any reasonable level of TFR should be easily achievable, while simultaneously generating generating extra billions in cash for building monuments to the leaders responsible.
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  103. @Anatoly Karlin
    Let me enunciate all the ways in which this is nonsense.

    discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s.

    There were no discussions that "it was not as bad" were not going on in the late USSR, because it hid its (deteriorating) mortality statistics until Gorbachev. Although some clever Americans like the demographer Murray Feshbach independently worked out that there were major problems.

    Why don’t you take credit for the sunset and sunrise?

    Because I was the only "Russia watcher" of note in the West who predicted Russia's demographic turnaround that early. (Mark Adomanis would also qualify, but he came a couple of years later).

    I am sure you know this, but just to make sure readers are aware, Western demographic experts were incredibly pessimistic on Russia's demographic prospects from the late 1990s to the early 2010s (Nicholas Eberstadt's 2011 article "Dying Bear" is the definitive statement of this trope), the media took until about 2015 to get the message, when signs of improvement became undeniable.

    Contrary to the impression you seek to give, dominant expert opinion in Russia was far from optimistic as well. Anatoly Vishnevsky, the most prominent Russian demographer - probably undeservedly, but that's beside the point - was famously bearish on Russia's demographic prospects. And there were some good reasons for that - with the demographic "echo" of the greatly diminished 1990s cohort approaching, there would have had to be a major increase in total fertility rates to offset the imminent large reduction in the numbers of women in their childbearing age. Contrary to median expectations, that actually happened.

    Any moron in early 2000s knew that depopulation was a result of a homicidal social policies of the so called “reformers”.

    Precisely - any moron knew that. Meanwhile, people who actually studied the issue identified the problem as primarily alcohol related on the mortality side, especially Yeltsin's freeing of vodka prices; other post-Communist countries undergoing transition but which didn't have a major alcohol problem didn't see a major dip in life expectancy, as happened in 1990s Russia.

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers about the efficacy of the maternal capital program, since prior experience with such programs generally hadn't produced lasting effects.

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers

    We can stop right here. Any qualifier “Western” demographer, military strategist, “diplomat”, “thinker” etc. in anything re: Russia is as valid as me writing plays for Kabuki Theater. When my book comes out–I’ll send you a copy, of course if you will express any desire. I really am not interested discussing this anymore with you since it is as “scientific” and as “based” on empirical knowledge as “knowledge” by you of Russia’s 20th century history, that means–no point of discussion.

    P.S. Anatoly, you do not understand the intellectual abyss which separates you and, say, some of my classmates who graduated, among many, some educational institutions of which you never heard about.

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    Andrei, you can add they finished Soviet schools too. Not a small fit I would say by itself. I am having nightmares now. My son is in the first grade. Soviet schools created firm foundation for everything else to be built upon. You are on the roll. Looking forward towards reading your book.
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  104. @Anatoly Karlin
    You are certainly free to interpret his speech as a call for a preemptive strike - I interpret it in terms of what Solzhenitsyn actually said, namely, as a call to the US not to fall behind in the arms' race, so to continue deterring Soviet aggression.

    Here is a 1982 letter to Reagan in which Solzhenitsyn explained his refusal to meet with him on account of being lumped together with East European Russophobes and clearly sets out his actual (as opposed to imputed) views on a nuclear strike against the USSR.

    If individuals thinking as I do come to power in the U.S.S.R., their first action would be to withdraw from Central America, from Africa, from Asia, from Eastern Europe, leaving all these nations to their own untrammeled fate. Their second step would be to cease the deadly arms race and to direct all the nation's forces toward healing the internal, almost century-long wounds of an almost dying population. Without any doubt they would throw wide open the exit gates for those who wish to emigrate from our hapless country.

    But how surprising: All this does not suit some of your close advisers! They want something different. They define such a program as "extreme Russian nationalism." And some U.S. generals suggest destroying selectively the Russian population by an atomic assault.

    It is strange how Russian national consciousness inspires the greatest fear in the world today for the rulers of the U.S.S.R. -- and within your entourage. It is the revelation of a hostility to Russia as such, to her people and to the country as distinct from the state structure, which is characteristic of a significant part of the American educated community, American financial circles and, alas, even of some of your advisers. Such a frame of mind is pernicious for the future of both our nations.

    Mr. President, it is hard for me to write this letter. But I think that if, anywhere, a meeting with you were deemed undesirable because you are an American patriot, you would also feel insulted.
     

    You are certainly free to interpret his speech as a call for a preemptive strike – I interpret it in terms of what Solzhenitsyn actually said, namely, as a call to the US not to fall behind in the arms’ race, so to continue deterring Soviet aggression.

    So, you have a background to “interpret” this. LOL. have you tried bypass heart surgeries in your garage in a spare time. Hey, hobby. Have you tried to write on gastroenterology or on quantum mechanics?

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    Ron always tries to create a balance in views expressed so he allowed this Russian liberal to spout his nonsense here, but he did not count on how aggressively and annoyingly self-promotional these miserable individuals usually are. Karlin belongs to the West which creates its own enclosed reality to replace the objective reality, and in this market that he aggressively advertises his software. The only other place where he has sold himself to is the pro-Western collection of liberals in Russia, as you pointed out.

    Talking about software, it would be great if Ron could change this zine’s software to allow only the article author the yellow-emphasis commenting privilege that this aggressive individual has been regularly and shamelessly abusing.

    Finally, I agree with Andrei that Ron’s humorous defence of quarrelling Russians (some only Russian born) on his zine would be only interpreted as a supreme level of Russian deviousness by TPTB, as they already said about Russian puppy-dog and pussy-cat click baits on FB - planned to saw chaos and confusion into the peaceful US society.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    –no point of discussion.

    Indeed not, since you have shown yourself to be quite ill-informed about Russian demographics.

    Слив засчитан.

    Have you tried to write on gastroenterology or on quantum mechanics?

    You forgot to mention knowledge of Fourier transforms and aircraft stresses as a vital prerequisite of understanding a simple video.
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  105. joun says:

    I enjoyed this article. I have always wondered why the individuals who shaped and profited from the disaster in the 90′s have been allowed to walk free. It is easy for me to say, as an American far, far away, but had I been in Putin’s shoes I would have personally pulled the trigger on all of them.

    The concept of a ‘deal’ that acts as a shadow constitution makes sense, as does Putin’s slow and careful building up of a parallel set of oligarchs. Knowing what was done and by whom must tear at his soul as he lays in bed at night thinking about the current situation. I can only hope that the anger is boiling and ready to be unleashed in the near future.

    Also, it is very interesting to see the intra-Russian arguments above. Keep your eyes on the enemy, guys.

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    I enjoyed this article. I have always wondered why the individuals who shaped and profited from the disaster in the 90′s have been allowed to walk free. It is easy for me to say, as an American far, far away, but had I been in Putin’s shoes I would have personally pulled the trigger on all of them.
     
    Why would he have pulled the trigger on his own power-circles.

    Sure you can get more loyal people to surround yourself if they are the people you helped to 'make', rather than people 'made' before you came to power. But after knocking a few of those old-timers who disloyal or 'falling out of line' - the rest rapidly 'fall into line', and become equally 'ass-kissers' as the rest.

    , @Kiza
    You may have missed the point that one of them is on the Russian side only in his words, not in his heart. The quarrel is between the potential Russian compradorial and hypocritical “elite” against those with Russia (and peace) truly in their hearts. I say this only because I watched exactly the same happen in another regime-changed country by US.

    There are always two kinds of patriots, patriots for the country and patriots for themselves, although both use the same language.

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  106. @FB
    Greetings Nosey...I guess you haven't figured out yet that our friend Shamir is a full retard...?

    Hi FB, It seems there are a lot of things that I have yet to figure out and I expect that’s why I’m here so often. It is not always easy working out whatever agenda a writer has or seems to have. Israel Shamir has written some worthwhile articles, or so I thought, and it may even be the case that some have been better than others. Cheers

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  107. Dmitry says:

    Stalin was evil – no doubt about it. But the death toll figures media, on the basis of people like Solzhenitsyn, attribute are often highly exaggerated.

    If we look at executions alone (which is of course not the whole figure by far – but still of interest). From 1921 to early 1954 – the number of people sentenced to death by the state on political charges: 642,980.

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  108. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    You are certainly free to interpret his speech as a call for a preemptive strike – I interpret it in terms of what Solzhenitsyn actually said, namely, as a call to the US not to fall behind in the arms’ race, so to continue deterring Soviet aggression.
     
    So, you have a background to "interpret" this. LOL. have you tried bypass heart surgeries in your garage in a spare time. Hey, hobby. Have you tried to write on gastroenterology or on quantum mechanics?

    Ron always tries to create a balance in views expressed so he allowed this Russian liberal to spout his nonsense here, but he did not count on how aggressively and annoyingly self-promotional these miserable individuals usually are. Karlin belongs to the West which creates its own enclosed reality to replace the objective reality, and in this market that he aggressively advertises his software. The only other place where he has sold himself to is the pro-Western collection of liberals in Russia, as you pointed out.

    Talking about software, it would be great if Ron could change this zine’s software to allow only the article author the yellow-emphasis commenting privilege that this aggressive individual has been regularly and shamelessly abusing.

    Finally, I agree with Andrei that Ron’s humorous defence of quarrelling Russians (some only Russian born) on his zine would be only interpreted as a supreme level of Russian deviousness by TPTB, as they already said about Russian puppy-dog and pussy-cat click baits on FB – planned to saw chaos and confusion into the peaceful US society.

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    Powerful take.
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  109. Dmitry says:
    @joun
    I enjoyed this article. I have always wondered why the individuals who shaped and profited from the disaster in the 90's have been allowed to walk free. It is easy for me to say, as an American far, far away, but had I been in Putin's shoes I would have personally pulled the trigger on all of them.

    The concept of a 'deal' that acts as a shadow constitution makes sense, as does Putin's slow and careful building up of a parallel set of oligarchs. Knowing what was done and by whom must tear at his soul as he lays in bed at night thinking about the current situation. I can only hope that the anger is boiling and ready to be unleashed in the near future.

    Also, it is very interesting to see the intra-Russian arguments above. Keep your eyes on the enemy, guys.

    I enjoyed this article. I have always wondered why the individuals who shaped and profited from the disaster in the 90′s have been allowed to walk free. It is easy for me to say, as an American far, far away, but had I been in Putin’s shoes I would have personally pulled the trigger on all of them.

    Why would he have pulled the trigger on his own power-circles.

    Sure you can get more loyal people to surround yourself if they are the people you helped to ‘make’, rather than people ‘made’ before you came to power. But after knocking a few of those old-timers who disloyal or ‘falling out of line’ – the rest rapidly ‘fall into line’, and become equally ‘ass-kissers’ as the rest.

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    I was speaking specifically of Chubais.
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  110. @Hibernian
    Pretty sure it's Spanish.

    It sounds french to me, and melody is typical chanson. But I would not bet on it.

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    The song is in English, sera is pronounced as in Spanish with accent on the a, the original saying was it seems in (Anglo-)Italian.
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  111. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s.
     
    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you're talking about.

    Anatoly – have you posted about regional differences ( how birthrates are highest in the North Caucasus regions and in Tuva – while lowest in Leningrad Oblast)?

    Also another issue is to discuss how birthrates are up, but the increase in total fertility rate is more moderate (i.e. still below replacement level, as it is in America).

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    Yes, of course - explicitly addressed here.

    It is actually the fertility rate which has had a larger increase than crude birth rates; the latter are facing great downwards pressure because the women of the small 1990s-early 2000s cohort are entering their childbearing age.

    Russia's TFR of around 1.7 isn't great from an optimal perspective (e.g. Israel), but it's quite normal from a realistic perspective (okay by EU standards; very good by E. European standards).
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  112. Kiza says:
    @joun
    I enjoyed this article. I have always wondered why the individuals who shaped and profited from the disaster in the 90's have been allowed to walk free. It is easy for me to say, as an American far, far away, but had I been in Putin's shoes I would have personally pulled the trigger on all of them.

    The concept of a 'deal' that acts as a shadow constitution makes sense, as does Putin's slow and careful building up of a parallel set of oligarchs. Knowing what was done and by whom must tear at his soul as he lays in bed at night thinking about the current situation. I can only hope that the anger is boiling and ready to be unleashed in the near future.

    Also, it is very interesting to see the intra-Russian arguments above. Keep your eyes on the enemy, guys.

    You may have missed the point that one of them is on the Russian side only in his words, not in his heart. The quarrel is between the potential Russian compradorial and hypocritical “elite” against those with Russia (and peace) truly in their hearts. I say this only because I watched exactly the same happen in another regime-changed country by US.

    There are always two kinds of patriots, patriots for the country and patriots for themselves, although both use the same language.

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    You may have missed the point that one of them is on the Russian side only in his words, not in his heart. The quarrel is between the potential Russian compradorial and hypocritical “elite” against those with Russia (and peace) truly in their hearts.
     
    That's a good point, and you can see it in comparing Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago" with Applebaum's " Gulag: A History". Applebaum's book follows the plan of Solzhenitsyn's book (with continual sly digs at the author) and completely lacks the overall human sympathy found in Solzhenitsyn's text.

    The whole point of "Gulag: A History" is to replace Solzhenitsyn's account with a new standard reference, and it was predictably met with much MSM acclaim, while being loaded onto academic bookshelves to replace "The Gulag Archipelago".

    Solzhenitsyn's great crime of course, was to clearly show (although he didn't highlight it), that the Gulag, from the White Sea - Baltic canal (Belomorkanal) work/death camp onwards, were set up and run by Bolshevik Jews, and he named their names.

    Applebaum's project was to clean up this piece of history. In the new revised version of the Gulag, Jews have disappeared , and the camps just sort of materialized and ran themselves, with the implication that it must have been an ethnic Russian enterprise. The few Jews that are visible, are prisoners of a particularly saintly type, helping others out where they can.
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  113. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    But it’s certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.
     
    In fact, Maternity Capital was and is precisely (financially gigantic) program which was projected to overturn demographic trends, otherwise it wouldn't have been implemented. Such programs are not implemented without very solid justifications in which projections become a crucial driver for a decision making. I stress the focus on Maternity Capital start which was in 2007. That means discussion of this program, as well as projections, were concluded at least couple years prior. For anyone who had an access to Russian segment of internet in early 2000s it would have been very easy to make "predictions".

    Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it’s not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.
     
    Oh, but you are wrong, Ron--it will be construed as an extreme case of sophistication of Russian operations of influence. You know, like those proverbial fights between friends to distract their captors attention to attack them. LOL. The oldest trick in the book.

    Let us put the abstract Maternity Capital into practice. My wife’s best friend at work is a Russian lady who speaks better English than her husband and thus she feeds the family with her job. They wanted to have a second child, after the first one was born in Russia, but it was almost impossible because she would have had to sacrifice her income after about twelve weeks of partially paid Maternity Leave. She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave. It comes as a shock to most Russians that the demographically challenged Western countries with streets paved in gold have such misserable maternity support. They all talk about bad demographic trends, but Putin did something about it.

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    She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave
     
    Late SOB Nemtsov argued that this literally nation-saving program was breeding what, in American lingo, he defined as Russian white trash. In reality, it saved Russia.

    They all talk about bad demographic trends, but Putin did something about it.
     
    That is why so much was already forgiven to him. For Crimea he will be inscribed in Russian history. Now the question is if he wants to enter the Pantheon of Russian legends from Vladimir, to Alexander Nevsky, to Peter The Great and Kathrine The Great among others, including Bismark and Napoleon. This is not an easy burden to bear. In fact, I can not even imagine how to live with this.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    Kiza, kids in modern capitalism are pure gold. That's why there is so few of them. For capitalists is far cheaper to bring total strangers than to help own population flourish. Basically, in final stages capitalism is antithesis of life. Russia is not the West and despite being capitalistic I cannot imagine them throwing Russian people under the bus like this via various immigration schemes. Maternal capital seems like a good start but more is needed. Demographical situation is strategic issue for Russia.
    , @for-the-record
    She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave.

    Does this apply for everyone in Russia? According to what I have read, the standard (fully-paid) maternity leave is 140 days --- 70 days before+ 70 days after.
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  114. @Andrei Martyanov

    Aleksandr Solshenitsyn hasn’t become a saint, but he was a writer in a class so far above Israel Shamir’s that Shamir can only harm his own image by taking a swipe at Solzhenitsyn.
     
    Seriously? First, who decides the "class" to start with. Secondly, I am about to harm greatly my own image, albeit I am not a writer, I read all Solzhenitsyn, well--I lie--I barely lasted through parts of his Red Wheels tedious mediocrity--but I can tell you one thing, he is NO Bulgakov. He, certainly, is not even close to the vicinity of Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Turgenev or Gogol. Solzh "appearance" in Russian public schools' literature curriculum, namely Mternin Dvor and some "synopsis" of GULAG is a personal initiative of Vladimir Putin.

    Yes, seriously. When your jibe about sainthood falls flat, you have to quibble about classes of writers. Mr. Shamir is primarily a journalist, though he has has had books published and has self published other books. Still, his works haven’t achieved the level of readership that the works of Solzhenitsyn clearly have. That does put him in a class of writers below Solzhenitsyn, by way of publication and recognition.

    Yes, Andrei, there are classes of writers. You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am. The difference between us is that you are denigrating the work of a writer while I am not. I also didn’t claim that Solzhenitsyn is in the same class as Tolstoy or Dostoevsky, which he clearly is not.

    It isn’t clear how you are greatly harming your own image when you have none to harm.

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    It isn’t clear how you are greatly harming your own image when you have none to harm.
     
    I am perfectly fine with that.
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  115. @Kiza
    Let us put the abstract Maternity Capital into practice. My wife’s best friend at work is a Russian lady who speaks better English than her husband and thus she feeds the family with her job. They wanted to have a second child, after the first one was born in Russia, but it was almost impossible because she would have had to sacrifice her income after about twelve weeks of partially paid Maternity Leave. She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave. It comes as a shock to most Russians that the demographically challenged Western countries with streets paved in gold have such misserable maternity support. They all talk about bad demographic trends, but Putin did something about it.

    She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave

    Late SOB Nemtsov argued that this literally nation-saving program was breeding what, in American lingo, he defined as Russian white trash. In reality, it saved Russia.

    They all talk about bad demographic trends, but Putin did something about it.

    That is why so much was already forgiven to him. For Crimea he will be inscribed in Russian history. Now the question is if he wants to enter the Pantheon of Russian legends from Vladimir, to Alexander Nevsky, to Peter The Great and Kathrine The Great among others, including Bismark and Napoleon. This is not an easy burden to bear. In fact, I can not even imagine how to live with this.

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    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90's from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.
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  116. @ID
    U confuse something.
    Vlasov fought on side of Germany, like Bandera did.
    Search it up, do not trust Shamir, do not trust me, just make a search and trust your eyes only.

    I do not want to offend you.
    So only shortly.
    There were only handful of Russian generals in WW2
    Even in German army the number of generals hardly crossed ten.
    Every Russian General had a large general staff,and also quite a number of commissars who followed the general even to a toilet. German generals did have a large staff also and had a SS present.
    Generals in ww2 as a rule lead the armies. Divisions in army were from four to six and they were commanded by colonels. Battalions were commanded by majors. this was quite rule.

    Please do not compare it to today’s US army where even battalions are led by a general.
    General having his commissars and staff around him simply had no chance to escape and change sides.
    Also the general had no chance to convince six divisions to change sides.
    The all idea is ridiculously preposterous.
    To compare a Russian general to Bandera is really hilarious.
    Bandera was a a head of rag tag militia without any military structure.

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  117. @Twodees Partain
    Yes, seriously. When your jibe about sainthood falls flat, you have to quibble about classes of writers. Mr. Shamir is primarily a journalist, though he has has had books published and has self published other books. Still, his works haven't achieved the level of readership that the works of Solzhenitsyn clearly have. That does put him in a class of writers below Solzhenitsyn, by way of publication and recognition.

    Yes, Andrei, there are classes of writers. You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am. The difference between us is that you are denigrating the work of a writer while I am not. I also didn't claim that Solzhenitsyn is in the same class as Tolstoy or Dostoevsky, which he clearly is not.

    It isn't clear how you are greatly harming your own image when you have none to harm.

    It isn’t clear how you are greatly harming your own image when you have none to harm.

    I am perfectly fine with that.

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  118. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    O. K. so it is not your fault. What is there in Wikipedia is total crap. From beginning to the end.
    First; there was never Prague uprising . Zero zilch.
    Second; the core of German army was on Czech territory. Russian bypassed it and went with full force on Berlin. After Hitlers death all army surrendered. There was no fight on Czech territory.
    On the beginning of https is a disclaimer read it.
    There was uprising in Polish city Warshava and on the territory of Slovakia.
    I have never heard about any Vlasov General in Russian army.
    Southern front of Russian Army was led by Zhukov.

    “There was no fight on Czech territory.”

    That’s true to a large degree. When film makers want to set a film in 18th century Dresden or Vienna, they often use Prague’s Old Town district as a filming location because the architecture of that city wasn’t destroyed in WWII.

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    Thank you. Main Prague square is called after one of the first Czech king Vaclav.
    Not far from there is a tavern. In that tavern are tables and chairs from the time of this king who used to go there for a bier. Czechs like Italians like to preserve their history. For many years Czechs had a German kings. Germans treated better Czechs than Austrians during WW2
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  119. @ID
    U confuse something.
    Vlasov fought on side of Germany, like Bandera did.
    Search it up, do not trust Shamir, do not trust me, just make a search and trust your eyes only.

    p.s.
    One Russian division in WW2 had from 50 to 80 thousand fighting man.

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    One Russian division in WW2 had from 50 to 80 thousand fighting man.
     
    Are you sure you are not mistaking Corps (and small Army) formations for divisions? It is one hell of a division I would say.
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  120. joun says:
    @Dmitry

    I enjoyed this article. I have always wondered why the individuals who shaped and profited from the disaster in the 90′s have been allowed to walk free. It is easy for me to say, as an American far, far away, but had I been in Putin’s shoes I would have personally pulled the trigger on all of them.
     
    Why would he have pulled the trigger on his own power-circles.

    Sure you can get more loyal people to surround yourself if they are the people you helped to 'make', rather than people 'made' before you came to power. But after knocking a few of those old-timers who disloyal or 'falling out of line' - the rest rapidly 'fall into line', and become equally 'ass-kissers' as the rest.

    I was speaking specifically of Chubais.

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  121. Dmitry says:
    @Michael Kenny
    As always an amusing version of the pro-Putin line. Since Putin always has to win, any seizure of Russian assets in the US has to be portrayed as a victory. The Old Money v New Money distinction is an amusing device to get around that difficulty and I would assume it was invented by the author. Then we get the classic “Russia” scam: both the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation being called “Russia” as suits the occasion. Of course, if Putin claims that the Russian Federation, as one of the fifteen successor states to the Soviet Union is entitled to the benefit of promises made to the Soviet Union, he must also accept that the Russian Federation is bound by promises made by the former Soviet Union, most notably in the Helsinki Final Act, under which Putin’s actions in Ukraine are wholly illegal. Putin and his American supporters can’t have it both ways.

    The Old Money v New Money distinction is an amusing device to get around that difficulty and I would assume it was invented by the author.

    From the perspective of knowing what goes on here or with various factions between ‘big shots’, everyone commenting, reading or writing on this site are bunch of nobodies, with no more knowledge than some random passerby trying to look into palace windows, from several kilometers, with binoculars – while curtains are drawn.

    The above article is a creative writing exercise – although as such it is as valid (or invalid) as any creative writing interpretation of what happens behind the curtained windows, and which can be an entertaining genre of literature in itself.

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  122. @Ron Unz

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
    As everyone knows, there's a great deal of crazy nonsense everywhere in the Western MSM about a Russian Conspiracy to seize control of American politics by buying ads on Facebook or maybe leaving comments on Internet websites.

    Although my own webzine hasn't yet been cited as part of Putin's Plot, given the number of Russian and generally "pro-Russian" writers I publish, presumably that may eventually occur.

    Fortunately, I have a ready-made defense. Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it's not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.

    Regarding the particular Russian demographic projections under dispute, I claim absolutely no expertise and scarcely know a single word of Russian. But I think to some extent, both Andrei and Anatoly might both be correct.

    My impression is that nearly all American demographers and media pundits projected endless Russian declines, so Anatoly may indeed have been one of the very few voices located here who was providing the correct, contrary predictions. But it's certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.

    Under communist system government did pay child support to families.
    Child support was increased for each child. It was increased to the extent that anybody who did have 5 or more children and be satisfied with modest means did no have to work anymore.

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  123. @Twodees Partain
    "There was no fight on Czech territory."

    That's true to a large degree. When film makers want to set a film in 18th century Dresden or Vienna, they often use Prague's Old Town district as a filming location because the architecture of that city wasn't destroyed in WWII.

    Thank you. Main Prague square is called after one of the first Czech king Vaclav.
    Not far from there is a tavern. In that tavern are tables and chairs from the time of this king who used to go there for a bier. Czechs like Italians like to preserve their history. For many years Czechs had a German kings. Germans treated better Czechs than Austrians during WW2

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  124. renfro says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    1. Actually I was born “then” (in 1988) and had to take an extended sojourn to the West c.1994-2016 because it turned out the sovok cattle loved MacDonald’s more than their own shithole country.
     
    LOL! I love the masks being dropped. Anatoly, you are not Russian--you are a typical SF West Coast American hipster, a product of a pathetic American humanities educational field, who would use any ideological "cover" (today it is so called "nationalism" of likes of this moron Prosvirnin, tomorrow it will be Navalny, after tomorrow it will be whoever is hip) just to realize own hipster aspirations.

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008. I await a list of your predictive accomplishments wrt Russia.
     
    Spare me this BS. Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia's demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s. FYI, my daughter is significantly older than you are. Why don't you take credit for the sunset and sunrise? But you are correct--you are a pundit, a classic embodiment of an American talking and writing heads class--badly educated with no experiences or serious skills, who write all kinds of BS, which never comes true. Well, you are effectively a modified version of Julia Ioffe with a slight angular shift in the polar system of coordinates. Basically, you are a part of the problem, which brought this world to the brink of a major war thanks to the US "elites" complete failure to learn what they are dealing with in Russia. In fact, you would find a perfect employment as Russia "expert" in Stated Department or CIA. This is the kind of "expertise" they were using for decades now. That is why this country is in toilet now.

    ALL of you need to shut the hell up…you have hijacked this entire thread away from the article subject

    No one gives a rats ass which of you is the best Russian ……if you want to continue your juvenile pie fight go get a room some where.

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  125. Miro23 says:
    @Kiza
    You may have missed the point that one of them is on the Russian side only in his words, not in his heart. The quarrel is between the potential Russian compradorial and hypocritical “elite” against those with Russia (and peace) truly in their hearts. I say this only because I watched exactly the same happen in another regime-changed country by US.

    There are always two kinds of patriots, patriots for the country and patriots for themselves, although both use the same language.

    You may have missed the point that one of them is on the Russian side only in his words, not in his heart. The quarrel is between the potential Russian compradorial and hypocritical “elite” against those with Russia (and peace) truly in their hearts.

    That’s a good point, and you can see it in comparing Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag Archipelago” with Applebaum’s ” Gulag: A History”. Applebaum’s book follows the plan of Solzhenitsyn’s book (with continual sly digs at the author) and completely lacks the overall human sympathy found in Solzhenitsyn’s text.

    The whole point of “Gulag: A History” is to replace Solzhenitsyn’s account with a new standard reference, and it was predictably met with much MSM acclaim, while being loaded onto academic bookshelves to replace “The Gulag Archipelago”.

    Solzhenitsyn’s great crime of course, was to clearly show (although he didn’t highlight it), that the Gulag, from the White Sea – Baltic canal (Belomorkanal) work/death camp onwards, were set up and run by Bolshevik Jews, and he named their names.

    Applebaum’s project was to clean up this piece of history. In the new revised version of the Gulag, Jews have disappeared , and the camps just sort of materialized and ran themselves, with the implication that it must have been an ethnic Russian enterprise. The few Jews that are visible, are prisoners of a particularly saintly type, helping others out where they can.

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    All I have read from Solzhenitsyn was Cancer ward. Was not worth much.
    Never interested in Solzhenitsyn anymore.
    If you want to understand Russians read Sholokhow "Quiet Don" You will find it in practically any library.
    , @Kiza
    Hello Miro23 I like your comments.

    I avoided sharing my short personal view of Solzhenitsyn, but here it is. I read him as part of the grammar school curriculum and a few works later in my life, never read "200 years together". He hated communism and wrote well. But he was not a saint, and it is quite silly to expect or make an artist into one (artists' souls are usually cocktails of feelings, not bedrocks of rationality). When he arrived in the West, he did say some stupid things and the West also warped some of the things he said - a typical used dissident. Once he stopped being the propaganda attraction of the West and learned more about the West, he gradually became an unconditional Russian patriot, even reduced criticism of SU. He was lucky enough to die in his own country and even celebrated, despite his minor contribution to its demise. Thus, both sides here can point to some period of his life which fits their preferred image of one fallible man. In a sum up, overall he probably did more good than bad, but this is the kind of perspective that one needs before and when reading his works - do not glorify, understand the writer and his milieu.
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  126. utu says:
    @Aon
    Author is wrong on Solzenicin
    Autor did not elaborate on the background of thpse two groups: both parasitic groups are almost exclusively dual citizens, holders of israeli passport.
    Facts are there, but the dots are not connected the way, how things really happened.

    Hence, for my part, this is good not for independent page, like unz, but rather a psyop, propaganda, or a sort of games between some agencies.

    this is good not for independent page, like unz, but rather a psyop, propaganda, or a sort of games between some agencies

    You got it right. But would you expect anything better from Shamir? Very shady character. Not sure who are his handlers but no question that he has some.

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    Okay, at this point, I will defend Israel.

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.

    2. It seems that Israel started off as a sort of Jewish nationalist, but became highly disillusioned with it due to their treatment of their Palestinians, and defected to the anti-imperialist left instead. Hence going off to Sweden, before returning to Russia once it reopened its borders. An understandable if infrequent ideological progression (usually it’s the other way round).

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.
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  127. utu says:
    @Aon
    Author is wrong on Solzenicin
    Autor did not elaborate on the background of thpse two groups: both parasitic groups are almost exclusively dual citizens, holders of israeli passport.
    Facts are there, but the dots are not connected the way, how things really happened.

    Hence, for my part, this is good not for independent page, like unz, but rather a psyop, propaganda, or a sort of games between some agencies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir

    Norman Finkelstein is quoted by Tablet magazine article “His Jewish Problem” as saying that Shamir “has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true”.[22] Manfred Ropschitz in the Independent Media Center article writes that “For twenty years the Jewish Israeli journalist Israel Shamir has been living a double life as a Swede called Jöran Jermas”.[19]

    Searchlight describes him as a “Swedish anti-semite”,[23] and says that was registered in Sweden in 1984 and gained Swedish citizenship in 1992.[12] He left Sweden for Russia and then Israel in 1993, before returning in 1998, having remarried in Israel in July 1994.[23] However, others argue that Swedish files show that he was married in Sweden.[24] He was known as Jöran Jermas from 2001 to 2005, before changing his name to Adam Ermash, although continuing to use Israel Shamir as a pen name

    According to him, he studied mathematics and law at Novosibirsk University. He moved to Israel in 1969,[11][12][13] and states that he served as paratrooper in the Israel Defense Forces and fought in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.[14] After the war, he says he returned to studying law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, but abandoned this for a career in journalism.[

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    Sorry for asking utu, but are you a Hasbara troll by any chance? Even if you are not you are quoting the Wiki/Hasbara smear of Shamir.

    As a smart person said, never rely on Wikipedia when the issue is even remotely related to Israel or the Jews.

    Regrading the radical leftism of Shamir I totally disagree, but this is his personal view and I still respect the man and the author.

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  128. utu says:
    @Aon
    Author is wrong on Solzenicin
    Autor did not elaborate on the background of thpse two groups: both parasitic groups are almost exclusively dual citizens, holders of israeli passport.
    Facts are there, but the dots are not connected the way, how things really happened.

    Hence, for my part, this is good not for independent page, like unz, but rather a psyop, propaganda, or a sort of games between some agencies.

    Israel Shamir, born Izrail Schmerler and known by the pseudonyms Jöran Jermas, Adam Ermash, Vassili Krasevsky, and Robert David https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir

    Shamir is not whitewashing just Stalin on Bolshevik crimes but also Pol Pot’s

    Shamir wrote a column defending Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge regime, writing that, “The Pol Pot the Cambodians remember was not a tyrant, but a great patriot and nationalist, a lover of native culture and native way of life.” He further claimed that, “As for the mass killings, these are just horror stories, averred my Cambodian interlocutors.”[13] The Phnom Penh Post sarcastically replied, “We must admit we were swayed when Shamir provided conclusive proof that the KR genocides were either inept or out-and-out fabrications: he alerted us to the fact that the population of Cambodia has doubled since 1970. We eagerly await his next Counterpunch article, ‘Population of Europe has increased by a factor of six since 1939, therefore World War II never happened.

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    Interesting. I noticed the recurring 'horror stories'.
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  129. Ivan says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Unless my english is insufficient, I read nothing negative about Solschenytsyn

    Man you are always ready with your odd spelling.

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  130. Seraphim says:

    One cannot but be puzzled by the affirmation that Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag is a ‘work of fiction’, like a novel. Solzhenitsyn wrote ‘works of fiction’ about the Gulag, ‘A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich’ and ‘The Firsct Circle’. The ‘Gulag Archipelago’ is a documentary. Some data may be factually inexact (or rather sufficiently exact), but it is not a ‘work of fiction’.

    ‘Works of fiction’ are the short stories of Varlam Shalamov which are nevertheless deemed as the “definitive chronicle of those camps” as “the Soviet scholar David Satter writes”. Who is David Satter?
    “David A. Satter (born August 1, 1947) is an American journalist and Rhodes Scholar, who writes works about on Russia and the Soviet Union….Satter was born in Chicago, the son of Clarice Komsky, a homemaker, and Mark Satter, a well-regarded attorney and civil rights activist. He graduated from the University of Chicago and from the University of Oxford where he was a Rhodes Scholar. From 1976 to 1982, he was the Moscow correspondent of the Financial Times of London. He then became a special correspondent on Soviet affairs of The Wall Street Journal. He is currently a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a fellow of the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies. He has been a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a visiting professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign…
    In his book ‘Darkness at Dawn’, Satter charged that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) was responsible for the bombings of Russian apartment buildings in 1999 that claimed nearly 300 lives and provided the justification for a second Chechen War. He argued that this was part of a conspiracy to bring Putin to power as Boris Yeltsin was fading…
    In December 2013, the Russian government expelled Satter from the country for allegedly committing “multiple gross violations” of Russian migration law; Satter said he followed the procedures the Russian Foreign Ministry set out for him and said that the manner of his expulsion was a formula reserved for spies. Luke Harding suggested that Satter’s expulsion from the Russia was part of a wider trend by the FSB that is, “increasingly rejecting visa applications from western academics seeking to visit Russia if their publications are deemed hostile.”

    Solzhenitsyn is reviled especially in the West (by the ‘lefties’ mostly) for his criticism of it and for his non-fiction work “200 years together” (thoroughly documented), practically banned in the West. And no less because his association with Putin and his Orthodox views. It seems that Solzhenitsyn, who called for an act of repentance (or at least of self-reflection about responsibilities) for the undeniable crimes perpetrated against the Russian people and the Church in the Communist era, is shunned by the spawn of the perpetrators, still in denial.
    The only ‘victims’ of Communist terror they accept are the Trotskyist ‘victims’ of ‘Stalinist’ terror (Varlam Shalamov among). Only Stalin was the baddie. The meme is still that ‘revolutions are started by idealists and hijacked by crooks’.
    Would it come as a surprise that David Satter is Jewish? From a “progressive” family “who sympathized with the Soviet Union and various left-wing causes”, shattered by the revelations “about the crimes of the Stalin period” (read Trotskyist)? And a vigorous denouncer of Putin and his kleptocratic mafia?
    Of course, he was critical of Solzhenitsyn’s ‘exhibiting many of the traits that he criticized in his books’, like ‘he joined the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, many of them former KGB informers, in casting doubt on the universal validity of human rights’, ‘praising Putin who waged a genocidal war in Chechnya and reimposed censorship’, warning that ”as Russia reverts back to dictatorship, however, Solzhenitsyn’s own political evolution should not be completely ignored. Russia’s great weakness is its failure to value the truth for its own sake”.

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    Along the same lines I would note that Anne Appelbaum had a volume entitled Gulag: A History out that is touted as authoritative in the same inbred circles. Solzhenitsyn is subjected to same erasure of memory that many famous authours are victims of, when they cross certain pieties. Now the Gulag Archipelago is a testament among other things to Solzhenitsyn's heroic status as a great 20th century writer, yet his three volumes are now only widely available through the favour of some kind soul who uploaded them onto the archive.org . For those who may be interested in reading, there is nothing to indicate antisemitism in those volumes (always the first test for our modern censors.). It may be interesting to note that John Demjanjuk's Israeli defence lawyer, Yoram Sheftel had when he went in search of material to defend Demjanjuk, came across the same photographs of the commissars of the Gulag (in a propaganda poster?) that are reproduced in the second volume, including that of the notorious Frenkel almost all of them Jewish. Solzhenitsyn did not pick and choose to work his alleged 'antisemitism', he had merely reproduced the factual evidence.
    , @utu

    Solzhenitsyn is reviled especially in the West (by the ‘lefties’ mostly) for his criticism of it and for his non-fiction work “200 years together” (thoroughly documented), practically banned in the West
     
    .

    The Solzhenitsyn's split with the liberal left occurred with A World Split Apart speech as Harvard commencement address in June 1978. Then the Western left and media realized that he will no longer be useful to their causes and projects. This was the end of Solzhenitsyn as media star in the West. This let him concentrate on his greatest project The Red Wheel.


    Should I be asked … whether I would propose the West, such as it is today, as a model to my country [Russia], I would frankly have to answer negatively. No, I could not recommend your society as an ideal for the transformation of ours. Through deep suffering, people in our own country have now achieved a spiritual development of such intensity that the Western system in its present state of spiritual exhaustion does not look attractive. … Six decades for our people and three decades for the people of Eastern Europe; during that time we have been through a spiritual training far in advance of Western experience. The complex and deadly crush of life has produced stronger, deeper, and more interesting personalities than those generated by standardized Western well-being …
     
    I agree. I would not propose the West as model. However I do not believe that 60 years of suffering under communism lead to a spiritual development in general. In most cases suffering dehumanizes people and destroys their souls. In rare cases it leads to spiritual transcendence and intellectual growth. For whatever reasons Alexander Solzhenitsyn exemplifies the best of the rare cases. It is almost superhuman.
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  131. Ivan says:
    @Anon
    I see I touched a bone of contention. To clarify my own comment: As I perceive you through your work --and I have not read you for long--, you are a writer who depicts reality through facts and details, which you then weave into a larger interpretation. That is, you start with objectives truths that you find out and present to the reader. This is a sign of good, honest journalism. ( I also remember a peculiar piece about the flowers of Galilee that was moving and poetic.)

    When you wrote dismissively about "horror stories", it seems to me that you are saying Solzhenitsyn is a dishonest writer, not a fallible one, and I find that hard to reconcile with your own style of journalistic integrity.

    Let me give you my take on Gulag. It is a very intelligent book, structured to pierce through the image already present in the reader's mind, of communism as a worthy system of government, and of the Soviet Union as a great place for the common man. Fake news or not, this image was a political reality,  the fruit of a skillfully wielded system of propaganda.  It was leveraged internationally. Perhaps Solzhenitsyn also wanted to inform other soviet citizens about the Gulag Bogeyman, I don't know. And bear in mind that it was crafted under personal duress, which speaks volumes about the courage of the man.

    So he wrote a testimonial epic. An Acts of the Apostles, but more literary. Thus the honest subtitle: a literary experiment. With the larger picture included.  He presents the full reality of a society with a hidden network of hellholes, man-willed buildings, and railways and ports and logistics and such, capable of swallowing many lives and directed by the obscure will of the State. He presents this network as used by all the rulers (Lenin, Stalin) of said State,  he presents the laws it invoked, the night raids for the chosen captives. He details the processes by which a person is stripped of dignity. And I at least realized that all of this (policies and laws and infrastructure) did not exist 20 years before. He compares this soviet system to others, like the Tsar's or the Inquisition. He details the life in this jungle, and how men could become more human, or not. He weaves personal "horror stories" into the larger picture of a polity that basically cannot care for the common good (for the common good is not its orientation). He finishes on the relatively low note of his liberation and exile, a truthful if less striking ending. This ending in particular is not that of a dishonest rethorician.

    It never struck me that he was attacking Russia in his writing. Definitely it was an exposé of the Soviet Government. But we have to distinguish country from people from government. A patriot should criticize his government, if his conscience so guides him. I think he was a courageous man, an individual alone against the State, with pen, paper and a formidable mind, but also someone who loved his country too well not to testify against the Gulag.

    Then I would ask: in what ways fiction, if by fiction you mean untrue:
    - the existence of a State that repressed whole classes of its people? Women and children included?
    - the existence of the network of concentration camps?
    - the fact that the prisoners were used as slave labor? Worked to death?
    - that common human compassion in the camps was prevented by the State by, for example, using guards from different nationalities than the prisoners?
    - the widespread use of torture? Or particular tortures? 
    - were particular personal stories not testimonial (true)?
    - the numbers --those pesky things-- were wrong? By how much? And was it a deliberate error? 

    Mind you, even saints are human and susceptible to error, you as Christian know it. We can judge them, of course.

    Lastly, and it is honest inquiry, why do you think Putin likes him? Political expediency? Or something about the man himself?

    The Gulag Archipelago is to my mind the greatest document to have come out of the 20th century. For the martyrdom that convulsed the peoples of the territories of the Soviet Union, was repeated at all scales large and small throughout the world. It provides a coda for understanding much of the staggering and unnecessary bloodletting during the past century, it showed among other things that one had to have a dread fear of Communists everywhere. Communist apologists are wont to take Solzhenitsyn’s figure of “upto 60 million victims”, the same as Robert Conquest’s figure and run away with it, claiming that the whole of the Gulag Archipelago was a tissue of lies. But of course the Archipelago was much more than a recitation of numbers, it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since. Prior to reading the volumes in the late 70s, I would be shocked at atrocity stories of Japanese soldiers and their butchery in Malaysia and Singapore (for I grew up in Singapore). But after the harrowing experience of going through the GA, nothing has surprised since, including for example the genocide perpetrated by the Khmer Rouge in 1975-1978.

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    @ it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since.

    Yes, something similar happened to me. There is something in the human mind that "clicks" when confronted with an important truth.

    A few years back, I read Gulag again with a couple of friends who married jewish (and became thoroughly indoctrinated, as you might expect). I could see their growing realization. At some point, doing a bit of out-loud close reading, one of them said: "But this is worse than...." and did not finish the phrase.

    I made sure to hammer the point about understanding the authority principle of the Communist state. I miss that little book club.
    , @Anon
    @ it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since.

    Something similar happened to me. There's something in the human mind that just 'clicks' when shown an important truth.

    A few years ago, I read Gulag again with a couple of friends who had married jewish (and become thoroughly indoctrinated, as can be expected). I could see their growing realization. At some point, doing out-loud close reading, one of them said, "But, this is worse than...", and didn't finish the phrase.

    I made sure to insist on understanding the authority principle in the Communist state. I miss that little book club!
    , @Dmitry
    A talented artist - does not necessarily make a reliable scholar.

    As artist, sure he might be able to make universal and brilliant insights. A single play from Shakespeare tells more about human nature, than thousands of conformist scholars working in joke pseudo-sciences like 'evolutionary psychology' or 'sociology' have achieved with decades of work.

    But if you want objective or reliable summary of the data - artist is probably the worst personality type you can choose, whether with first-hand experience or not. The more like a robot the person working in such a field, the better for data collection and summarisation process.

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  132. Druid says:
    @renfro

    As for the Jews, his best (and definitely non politically correct at all) work is http://solarchive.narod.ru/sol_jews.html –
     
    here is the English translation

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsolarchive.narod.ru%2Fsol_jews.html&edit-text=

    Just read it, thanks. The US is a repeT of those times, it seems!

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  133. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Naturally you are correct. After Hitler came to power Jews declared trade embargo on Germany.
    US declared sanctions on Russia, There I do see a similarity. That is why I was thinking that Russians possible could learn something from Germany.

    Happy to note that in neither case were the sanctions terribly effective. The best thing Putin could do now would be to get rid of the Rothschilds and nationalize the Russian Central Bank.

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    I am always for working cautiously and slowly but persistently Putin is o,k. not rushing things.
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  134. @Andrei Martyanov

    You are certainly free to interpret his speech as a call for a preemptive strike – I interpret it in terms of what Solzhenitsyn actually said, namely, as a call to the US not to fall behind in the arms’ race, so to continue deterring Soviet aggression.
     
    So, you have a background to "interpret" this. LOL. have you tried bypass heart surgeries in your garage in a spare time. Hey, hobby. Have you tried to write on gastroenterology or on quantum mechanics?

    –no point of discussion.

    Indeed not, since you have shown yourself to be quite ill-informed about Russian demographics.

    Слив засчитан.

    Have you tried to write on gastroenterology or on quantum mechanics?

    You forgot to mention knowledge of Fourier transforms and aircraft stresses as a vital prerequisite of understanding a simple video.

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    I think you two should finally decide on choice of weapons.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Indeed not, since you have shown yourself to be quite ill-informed about Russian demographics.
     
    You mean by pointing out that Maternal Capital preceded your self-vaunted "predictions" by a number of years? Sure.

    Слив засчитан.
     
    Absolutely,do not forget to tell this also to your kindergarten teacher.

    You forgot to mention knowledge of Fourier transforms and aircraft stresses as a vital prerequisite of understanding a simple video.
     
    Yes, to understand nuclearism and strategies derived from it one has to have a very extensive academic background and practical experience--things precisely Solzhenitsyn never had but, same as Richard Pipes, whose background in military affairs is limited to having a drink with couple of generals, never hesitated to spread around an utterly amateur BS, such as your mental exploits of war and warfare, of which you do not have a clue. Sadly, this didn't prevent you from offering your opinion on that. You just have to accept reality and limit yourself on writing things on matters of IQ (in a narrow sense) and pretend that you know demographics. You should avoid writing anything on Russian history, because you will be called out on every BS point you are spreading. Such as this:

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008
     
    Again, you were not and the timeline of Maternity Capital and national discussion on its merit were happening while you were an actual teenager. So your false claim is a typical pathetic attempt on some kind of validation. No worry, everyone goes through this age--it is just not everybody ends up being an honest observer. If you want, however, discuss how Nuclear Posture Reviews are written in US or how in general nuclear policies are formulated--be my guest, I will gladly educate you, when having time, on some of those issues. I don't think you will understand them, but hey, no harm in trying;-)
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  135. @Kiza
    Ron always tries to create a balance in views expressed so he allowed this Russian liberal to spout his nonsense here, but he did not count on how aggressively and annoyingly self-promotional these miserable individuals usually are. Karlin belongs to the West which creates its own enclosed reality to replace the objective reality, and in this market that he aggressively advertises his software. The only other place where he has sold himself to is the pro-Western collection of liberals in Russia, as you pointed out.

    Talking about software, it would be great if Ron could change this zine’s software to allow only the article author the yellow-emphasis commenting privilege that this aggressive individual has been regularly and shamelessly abusing.

    Finally, I agree with Andrei that Ron’s humorous defence of quarrelling Russians (some only Russian born) on his zine would be only interpreted as a supreme level of Russian deviousness by TPTB, as they already said about Russian puppy-dog and pussy-cat click baits on FB - planned to saw chaos and confusion into the peaceful US society.

    Powerful take.

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  136. @Dmitry
    Anatoly - have you posted about regional differences ( how birthrates are highest in the North Caucasus regions and in Tuva – while lowest in Leningrad Oblast)?

    Also another issue is to discuss how birthrates are up, but the increase in total fertility rate is more moderate (i.e. still below replacement level, as it is in America).

    Yes, of course – explicitly addressed here.

    It is actually the fertility rate which has had a larger increase than crude birth rates; the latter are facing great downwards pressure because the women of the small 1990s-early 2000s cohort are entering their childbearing age.

    Russia’s TFR of around 1.7 isn’t great from an optimal perspective (e.g. Israel), but it’s quite normal from a realistic perspective (okay by EU standards; very good by E. European standards).

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  137. @Kiza
    Firstly, thanks for the answer Sergey. Neither the ruling Russian pragmatist Putin, nor little me would agree with your lefty ideological approach to this, you know what they say - try eating your ideology, jobs are jobs. Almost all rich people in this world got rich by stealing and now they are “honest” job creators.

    Secondly, the comments section gets dominated by the Karlin Troll Club again.

    Finally, this article is mostly a collection of rumours. Rumours can be extremely useful when cross-checked with facts, they can fill in the big picture. All the critics should go to MSM if they want the factual approach (which is all lies), for my personal quest to establish the truth an honest rumor is way better than a lying fact.

    Kiza, do not kid me regarding job creators… in ussr there was 100% employment with guaranteed employment according to studied occupation upon graduation. Those would bring free apartments for life with smallish rents and utilities payments per month that I spent more on ice cream and cinemas. Second, while allwealth was created through theft in case of Russia it takes extreme case that is not going to be tolerated and original sin will result in thieves eventually losing proceeds. They stole what already was built and provided everything and was working far better than now under them. It is good to read such articles even based upon rumors. If Putin or whoever later won’t resolve the whole issue of the theft and restoration of justice it will be akin Tsarist policy of 19th century of not resolving peasant question and which led to Russian revolution of 20th century. With thieves in control and with proceeds it is impossible to move forward and socialism one way or another seems like destiny for Russia. It is better to do it peacefully.

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  138. @Andrei Martyanov

    Reading what Anatolii is writing I wonder what Russia he really likes
     
    The Russia in which he will be hailed as a major "intellectual" figure in accordance to his very personal (highly uneducated) views.

    The one that was lost in 1917?
     
    He doesn't know anything about that one too. For a person who tries to argue with Russia's Imperial General Staff numbers as one example of many, facts on the ground do not really matter. For this public, as it was the case with their idol Solzh, the difference between loving Russia and her people and loving oneself in Russia is of minor consequence. But after reading Karlin's general views on warfare one kinda gets a psychiatric reasons for worshiping such people like Solzh. In general, Solzhenitsyn was unlucky--he has gotten totally unworthy for him, low life Russians as "his" people. He certainly should have gotten a much better, much more worthy of him nation.

    Agree

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  139. @Ron Unz

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
    As everyone knows, there's a great deal of crazy nonsense everywhere in the Western MSM about a Russian Conspiracy to seize control of American politics by buying ads on Facebook or maybe leaving comments on Internet websites.

    Although my own webzine hasn't yet been cited as part of Putin's Plot, given the number of Russian and generally "pro-Russian" writers I publish, presumably that may eventually occur.

    Fortunately, I have a ready-made defense. Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it's not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.

    Regarding the particular Russian demographic projections under dispute, I claim absolutely no expertise and scarcely know a single word of Russian. But I think to some extent, both Andrei and Anatoly might both be correct.

    My impression is that nearly all American demographers and media pundits projected endless Russian declines, so Anatoly may indeed have been one of the very few voices located here who was providing the correct, contrary predictions. But it's certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.

    Ron, Putin ‘s gold promoting true democracy

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  140. @Andrei Martyanov

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers
     
    We can stop right here. Any qualifier "Western" demographer, military strategist, "diplomat", "thinker" etc. in anything re: Russia is as valid as me writing plays for Kabuki Theater. When my book comes out--I'll send you a copy, of course if you will express any desire. I really am not interested discussing this anymore with you since it is as "scientific" and as "based" on empirical knowledge as "knowledge" by you of Russia's 20th century history, that means--no point of discussion.

    P.S. Anatoly, you do not understand the intellectual abyss which separates you and, say, some of my classmates who graduated, among many, some educational institutions of which you never heard about.

    Andrei, you can add they finished Soviet schools too. Not a small fit I would say by itself. I am having nightmares now. My son is in the first grade. Soviet schools created firm foundation for everything else to be built upon. You are on the roll. Looking forward towards reading your book.

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  141. @Kiza
    Let us put the abstract Maternity Capital into practice. My wife’s best friend at work is a Russian lady who speaks better English than her husband and thus she feeds the family with her job. They wanted to have a second child, after the first one was born in Russia, but it was almost impossible because she would have had to sacrifice her income after about twelve weeks of partially paid Maternity Leave. She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave. It comes as a shock to most Russians that the demographically challenged Western countries with streets paved in gold have such misserable maternity support. They all talk about bad demographic trends, but Putin did something about it.

    Kiza, kids in modern capitalism are pure gold. That’s why there is so few of them. For capitalists is far cheaper to bring total strangers than to help own population flourish. Basically, in final stages capitalism is antithesis of life. Russia is not the West and despite being capitalistic I cannot imagine them throwing Russian people under the bus like this via various immigration schemes. Maternal capital seems like a good start but more is needed. Demographical situation is strategic issue for Russia.

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    Hello Sergey, I will answer both your comments in one.

    "...in ussr there was 100% employment with guaranteed employment according to studied occupation upon graduation. Those would bring free apartments for life with smallish rents and utilities payments per month that I spent more on ice cream and cinemas..."
    Yes, I lived in socialism/communism too, one may call it the Croatian Communism because Tito was a Croatian in this is why Yugoslavia was not part of the Soviet Block. There were some really good and some really bad things in socialism. The good thing was the spending on health and education, the bad was the endemic indolence, the majorisations of the dumb over the smart and other, the horrible inefficiency of decisions, the negative selection of leaders, parasitism of leaders, and so on and so on. In my view, there was more bad than good, this is why I left before it all fell apart. To put it simply, communism was a fantastic theoretical idea but poorly matched to people's nature, not to mention that it was captured and totally deformed by the Bolsheviks/Jewish Globalists.

    The humanity is now in a transitory state - socialism/communism is unlikely to be revived, whilst the capitalism appears to have gone completely off rails with the rich getting super-filthy rich and the middle class disappearing, mostly due to government, regulatory and all other areas of capture = corruption. It is obvious that we cannot continue with the current form of capitalism but new ideas are lacking. Religion is filling the gap, especially in Eastern Europe and Russia, and it is not even a bad (temporary) replacement. In the West, we killed God but did not find any decent replacement.

    Regarding thieves as employers, this is the capitalist reality. Honest rich are a rare minority and even those under peer-pressure joined the Davos Club.

    "...kids in modern capitalism are pure gold. That’s why there is so few of them."
    And when there is so few of them then there is a lot of nutty neurotic behavior.

    "For capitalists is far cheaper to bring total strangers than to help own population flourish."
    It is amazing how long it took the silent majority to click-in onto this, and some still do not get it.

    "Basically, in final stages capitalism is antithesis of life."
    Yes, this is the absolute key issue. Can we develop something new before everything goes up in nuclear hell-fire? These are tough times for the believers.
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  142. @Andrei Martyanov

    She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave
     
    Late SOB Nemtsov argued that this literally nation-saving program was breeding what, in American lingo, he defined as Russian white trash. In reality, it saved Russia.

    They all talk about bad demographic trends, but Putin did something about it.
     
    That is why so much was already forgiven to him. For Crimea he will be inscribed in Russian history. Now the question is if he wants to enter the Pantheon of Russian legends from Vladimir, to Alexander Nevsky, to Peter The Great and Kathrine The Great among others, including Bismark and Napoleon. This is not an easy burden to bear. In fact, I can not even imagine how to live with this.

    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90′s from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.

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    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90′s from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.
     
    He effectively re-nationalized, thus saving it, most of machine-building complex. Enough to take a look at how Krasnoye Sormovo was saved, with 100% shares of it being in the ownership of OSK. In 1990s it was "privatized" and, basically, killed. Today it is back with a vengeance and is building ships again. We'll see.
    , @yurivku

    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90′s from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.
     
    Yes, He could. No, He would not. Not him. There were enough time for him to start recovering not only military side of a country. But he's prepared some base to continue, He at least saved country and people from a full disaster, now it's a time for somebody else.
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  143. “Fortunately, I have a ready-made defense. Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it’s not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.”

    Ron, Putin’s gold promotes democracy :) Part of democratic process is variety of opinions allowed to be listened, isnt’ it? Hence it i might be another argument joke aside.

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  144. @Kiza
    Let us put the abstract Maternity Capital into practice. My wife’s best friend at work is a Russian lady who speaks better English than her husband and thus she feeds the family with her job. They wanted to have a second child, after the first one was born in Russia, but it was almost impossible because she would have had to sacrifice her income after about twelve weeks of partially paid Maternity Leave. She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave. It comes as a shock to most Russians that the demographically challenged Western countries with streets paved in gold have such misserable maternity support. They all talk about bad demographic trends, but Putin did something about it.

    She told my wife that in Russia she would have received two years of the fully paid maternity leave.

    Does this apply for everyone in Russia? According to what I have read, the standard (fully-paid) maternity leave is 140 days — 70 days before+ 70 days after.

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  145. @utu

    this is good not for independent page, like unz, but rather a psyop, propaganda, or a sort of games between some agencies
     
    You got it right. But would you expect anything better from Shamir? Very shady character. Not sure who are his handlers but no question that he has some.

    Okay, at this point, I will defend Israel.

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.

    2. It seems that Israel started off as a sort of Jewish nationalist, but became highly disillusioned with it due to their treatment of their Palestinians, and defected to the anti-imperialist left instead. Hence going off to Sweden, before returning to Russia once it reopened its borders. An understandable if infrequent ideological progression (usually it’s the other way round).

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.

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    As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*.
     
    As you well know, it's exactly someone who fully accepts the validity of IQ who cannot explain Jewish influence, as it is far beyond the numbers IQ would predict.

    For some reason, like Derbyshire, you simply don't wish to be honest about this. It's probably just a strange emotional blind spot - you want a simple, tidy, world easily explained by numbers, and can't handle complexity.

    Of course, non-IQ reasons are far from limited to conspiratorial theories - a strangely unintelligent comment - but can include "culture" and upbringing. But then, what kind of a scary world would it be where the simple world of numbers isn't enough to explain everything.
    , @utu

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.
     
    You created here a straw man by using the pronoun everyone. If I disagree with somebody I may consider many causes of the disagreement including me being wrong. Each case is different. Attribution of ignorance and stupidity can dispose of many cases. But sometimes more complex explanations are necessary. For instance in your case my working hypothesis is that you are naive and misguided and in your young age were exposed to primitive reductionist ideas that are inherently toxic, I mean the American version of libertarianism and the Anglo-Saxon IQism. But you are still young and hopefully you will grow out of it and purge the toxins out of your system. But it will be difficult. When being in the grip of a reductionist belief system it is hard to see the world from without it. So there are no guarantee of salvation by maturation, experience and the old age as cases of John Derbyshire and Steve Sailer testify. Obviously I do not have a proof that Israel Shamir is some kind of agent of influence but his activism is very curious and make you wonder who benefits by his activism. Look at his advocacy of Palestinian causes. If you were a Palestinian would you like that a prominent advocate of your cause turned out to be (1) Stalin apologists and denier of communist crimes (2) deniers of Pol Pot crimes, (3) anti-semite? Would it occur to you that the PR of your cause is actually more harmed than helped by a person like this? Would you consider a possibility that behind Shamir’s placing himself on the side of the Palestinian’s cause is something more than just a strange mish-mash of idiosyncratic and iconoclastic and abhorrent views and his alleged love of just causes? Furthermore, what do we know about him? Norman Finkelstein said that Shamir "has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true". Shamir is a very unique person. His emigration form the USSR must have been very unique itself. In the decade 1960-1970 only 4000 people were allowed to emigrate from the USSR. In 1969 3,033 people got exit visas to Israel. One of them was 22 years old Shamir. The state of Israel wanted young people of military age and people with military experience to make aliyah. They did not want old and decrepit ones as the letter of 1958 by Golda Meir indicates:

    "A proposal was raised in the coordination committee to inform the Polish government that we want to institute selection in aliyah, because we cannot continue accepting sick and handicapped people. Please give your opinion as to whether this can be explained to the Poles without hurting immigration," read the document, written by Meir to Israel's ambassador to Poland, Katriel Katz.

     

    But USSR did not want to let the young and talented to leave. They had their own army and research institutes were young talented Jews could be utilized. Still Shamir got his exit visa. One among 3,033 in the 245 million country. Year earlier in 1968 only 231 Soviet Jews were granted exit visas. But this was the time after the Six-Day War of 1967. Various strings were being pulled. Against and for Israel. Even in the USSR which broke off the relationship with Israel and was officially pro Arab there were forces successfully pushing for aliyah. Already in the fall of 1967 in Poland a purge of Jews from military forces has began. While accusing Poland of anti-semitism on the one hand Israel was looking forward of getting military trained officers from Poland. Actually the accusation of anti-semitism often are the coverup for true benefits behind the so-called anti-semitism.

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.
     
    I do not know what do you mean by conspiracy but any form of cooperation (and any conspiracy is by definition a cooperation) requires a significant cognitive ability and special personality traits. Some paranoid schizophrenics to sustain their paranoia require a significant intelligence to weave the paranoid narrative. For some reason these schizophrenics do not band together and act in tandem to promote their mutual advantage. Or perhaps they do in some cases. Perhaps Judaism is a case of a successful psychosis that managed to remain intact for several thousands of years that provide a framework for cooperation and goals. While intelligence is a necessary condition the narrative is much more important. The intelligence that helps Jews to be successful may have nothing to do with the IQ score which in your conceptually impoverished world is supposed to explain everything. The psychosis of being chosen, of being the light onto nation and all other superlatives that are a part of Jewish narrative are more important than anything. For every Jew in the world there are many gentiles who have higher IQ then them but they operate on different software. Your IQ theories can't explain overrepresentation of Jews in many fields just like your theories can't explain overrepresentation of Sicilians in Italian mafia. One has to stipulate a non Gaussian distribution that has not been verified by anybody to account for Jewish overrepresentation. When you meet a Jew you do not look at the IQ tattooed on his forehead as you envision in Karlin's new brave world but you should think that you are just meeting a nod of a network that is constituted by invisible to you links. In some way you can look at Judaism as a narrative in which every Jews is a conspirator. There are many layers in this narrative. ... and so on.
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  146. horror stories about GULAG

    Do you dispute a specefic fact from one of his books? Can you recommend a book by a more reasonable author who was also a GULAG inmate?

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    Do you dispute a specefic fact from one of his books? Can you recommend a book by a more reasonable author who was also a GULAG inmate?
     
    Varlam Shalamov Kolyma Tales. It was his, Shalamov's, manuscripts which were literally stolen bu Solzh and, with Solzh's "commentaries" were used in GULAG. As Shalamov wrote in his notebook: "No bitch from "progressive humanity" should be allowed near my archive. I forbid writer Solzhenitsyn and all those having thoughts similar to his have acquaintance with my archive."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kolyma_Tales

    For the real scale of GULAG, however, as well as of actual innocent (there were many who were actual criminals), see Zenskov and a whole plethora of reputable Russin historians and even FSB Chief Patrushev--all numbers are in the open.
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  147. @Israel Shamir

    The swipe at Solzhenitsyn… beneath you, Mr. Shamir.
     
    Solzhenitsyn had suffered of Illarionov Syndrome. As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense, and actually called to nuke Russia. He re-wrote his books to fit this new neurosis. Yes, eventually he had recovered from this emigre disease.

    and actually called to nuke Russia

    What’s wrong with that?

    The offending quote, believe:

    Video: Solzhenitsyn demands to attack the USSR with nuclear weapons

    At one time there was no comparison between the strength of the USSR and yours. Then it became equal… (The Soviet advantage grew). Then (it became) three to one. Finally, it will be five to one… With such a nuclear superiority it will be possible to block the use of your weapons, and on some unlucky morning they will declare: ‘Attention. We’re marching our troops to Europe, and if you make a move, we will annihilate you.’ And this ratio… of five to one will have its effect: you will not make a move.

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    Well, it's certainly wrong if you want to be considered a Russian patriot, or an ethical person, as Solzhenitsyn considered himself to be.

    As your transcription of the video shows, Solzhenitsyn did nothing of the sort (in real life, that is, not the smears and projections of his detractors).

    To the contrary, he cited American belligerence towards the Russian people (as distinct from containing the USSR's imperialist ambitions) - including what he said was the desire of American generals had to nuke Russia - as a reason not to meet up with Reagan. His actual stated views were the exact opposite of what Shamir, Martyanov, and Krieger claim.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    What’s wrong with that?
     
    Do the forensic experiment and try to tell one of your closest keen that you will call some other people on killing them. See the results. As per this specifically:

    Finally, it will be five to one… With such a nuclear superiority it will be possible to block the use of your weapons, and on some unlucky morning they will declare: ‘Attention. We’re marching our troops to Europe, and if you make a move, we will annihilate you.’ And this ratio… of five to one will have its effect: you will not make a move.
     
    A single phrase which testifies to an absolute ignorance (forget idiotic ratios off the wall, same as claims by Solzh of 60 millions perished) on how nuclear weapons are used and what was a transition from countervalue to counterforce. In general, absolute utter delirium.
    , @Ivan
    It has to be recalled that when Solzhenitsyn made those speeches in the US , now selectively edited by Communist propagandists, the US was in retreat in the aftermath of fall of Vietnam. A retreat that the Soviet Union took full advantage of to massively expand its armed forces. The period in question was from 1975 to the mid 80s. An examination of the record will show that the fear of the NATO planners of that era , that the US will not be able to perform its tripwire function, that of using its nuclear weapons in Europe in case of an overwhelming Soviet attack was all too real. This was the era when the Americans had to contend with their domestic opposition to maintain their posture in Europe. When the basing of Pershing 2 missiles in Europe created great difficulties for their European allies. A difficulty the Soviet apologists in Europe were all to able to exploit. Solzhenitsyn's remarks were nothing more than a reminder that the US strategy for the defence of Europe - that of using its forces in Germany as a tripwire for the use of nuclear weapons was in danger of being overwhelmed by the sheer mass of Soviet weaponry such as the SS18 and SS20 battlefield nuclear weapons, when coupled with the numerical superiority of the Warsaw Pact forces. His was essentially a plea for stability in Europe to prevent military misadventures, but for obvious reasons Communist propagandists have distorted his message.
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  148. Ron Unz says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Let me enunciate all the ways in which this is nonsense.

    discussions on Russia’s demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s.

    There were no discussions that "it was not as bad" were not going on in the late USSR, because it hid its (deteriorating) mortality statistics until Gorbachev. Although some clever Americans like the demographer Murray Feshbach independently worked out that there were major problems.

    Why don’t you take credit for the sunset and sunrise?

    Because I was the only "Russia watcher" of note in the West who predicted Russia's demographic turnaround that early. (Mark Adomanis would also qualify, but he came a couple of years later).

    I am sure you know this, but just to make sure readers are aware, Western demographic experts were incredibly pessimistic on Russia's demographic prospects from the late 1990s to the early 2010s (Nicholas Eberstadt's 2011 article "Dying Bear" is the definitive statement of this trope), the media took until about 2015 to get the message, when signs of improvement became undeniable.

    Contrary to the impression you seek to give, dominant expert opinion in Russia was far from optimistic as well. Anatoly Vishnevsky, the most prominent Russian demographer - probably undeservedly, but that's beside the point - was famously bearish on Russia's demographic prospects. And there were some good reasons for that - with the demographic "echo" of the greatly diminished 1990s cohort approaching, there would have had to be a major increase in total fertility rates to offset the imminent large reduction in the numbers of women in their childbearing age. Contrary to median expectations, that actually happened.

    Any moron in early 2000s knew that depopulation was a result of a homicidal social policies of the so called “reformers”.

    Precisely - any moron knew that. Meanwhile, people who actually studied the issue identified the problem as primarily alcohol related on the mortality side, especially Yeltsin's freeing of vodka prices; other post-Communist countries undergoing transition but which didn't have a major alcohol problem didn't see a major dip in life expectancy, as happened in 1990s Russia.

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers about the efficacy of the maternal capital program, since prior experience with such programs generally hadn't produced lasting effects.

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers about the efficacy of the maternal capital program, since prior experience with such programs generally hadn’t produced lasting effects.

    I’ll admit I don’t have a clue about the details of Putin’s particular “maternal capital” program, but the widespread belief among Western pundits that it’s extremely difficult for the government to raise the birthrates in developed countries has always seemed totally ridiculous to me. Obviously, an “unserious” effort might or might not be successful, but I think a *serious* one almost certainly would be.

    Suppose, for example, that anyone over 25 but not yet married would have their tax rate raised by 10 percentage points. Surely, young marriages would quickly skyrocket.

    Now suppose that anyone over 30 without a child also had their tax rate raised by 10 percentage points. Surely, first births to young couples would also quickly skyrocket.

    Adjust a few parameters here and there, and pretty much any reasonable level of TFR should be easily achievable, while simultaneously generating generating extra billions in cash for building monuments to the leaders responsible.

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    Well yes, sure - Prussia was infamous for having a childless tax, so did some Communist countries. There's a pattern here - doubt this will fly in democratic polities. :)

    So you're left with incentive-based methods of increasing fertility.

    Problem: Not the first time it was tried, it didn't work in most countries that tried it, e.g., Japan.

    Hence the skepticism that it would have much of an effect when it was introduced, e.g. see here:

    With the goal of stimulating fertility, one of the government’s chief programs has been the innovative “maternal capital” measure, which gives cash and non-cash incentives for mothers. The implications of maternal capital are still debated, but many experts believe that the policy will have the effect only on the timing of fertility rather that on the total size of families; as such, the effect of maternal capital on long term population decline is expected to be small.
     
    I don't want to belabor the point with more examples - that this is conventional wisdom amongst demographers is indisputable.

    However, it did work in Russia, and I actually predicted as much (based on polls of Russian fertility preferences, and some other considerations).
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  149. @Ron Unz

    There were also major doubts amongst Western demographers about the efficacy of the maternal capital program, since prior experience with such programs generally hadn’t produced lasting effects.
     
    I'll admit I don't have a clue about the details of Putin's particular "maternal capital" program, but the widespread belief among Western pundits that it's extremely difficult for the government to raise the birthrates in developed countries has always seemed totally ridiculous to me. Obviously, an "unserious" effort might or might not be successful, but I think a *serious* one almost certainly would be.

    Suppose, for example, that anyone over 25 but not yet married would have their tax rate raised by 10 percentage points. Surely, young marriages would quickly skyrocket.

    Now suppose that anyone over 30 without a child also had their tax rate raised by 10 percentage points. Surely, first births to young couples would also quickly skyrocket.

    Adjust a few parameters here and there, and pretty much any reasonable level of TFR should be easily achievable, while simultaneously generating generating extra billions in cash for building monuments to the leaders responsible.

    Well yes, sure – Prussia was infamous for having a childless tax, so did some Communist countries. There’s a pattern here – doubt this will fly in democratic polities. :)

    So you’re left with incentive-based methods of increasing fertility.

    Problem: Not the first time it was tried, it didn’t work in most countries that tried it, e.g., Japan.

    Hence the skepticism that it would have much of an effect when it was introduced, e.g. see here:

    With the goal of stimulating fertility, one of the government’s chief programs has been the innovative “maternal capital” measure, which gives cash and non-cash incentives for mothers. The implications of maternal capital are still debated, but many experts believe that the policy will have the effect only on the timing of fertility rather that on the total size of families; as such, the effect of maternal capital on long term population decline is expected to be small.

    I don’t want to belabor the point with more examples – that this is conventional wisdom amongst demographers is indisputable.

    However, it did work in Russia, and I actually predicted as much (based on polls of Russian fertility preferences, and some other considerations).

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    Well yes, sure – Prussia was infamous for having a childless tax, so did some Communist countries. There’s a pattern here – doubt this will fly in democratic polities.
     
    Sure, I'm not saying "democratic" Western governments would ever adopt such a policy, just that it would almost certainly work.

    I've sometimes mentioned this in the context of silly people saying "it's impossible" for China to reverse its demographic decline with government policies. Nope, I tell them, it's exactly pretty easy. The Chinese government probably thinks they already have plenty of Chinese, but if they ever decide they really need more, they could certainly produce as many as desired...

    As for Western governments being "democratic," I think that's actually pretty arguable, but whatever bizarre mix of pressure groups and ideologies determine their policies, it's obvious that these would find reversing demographic decline to be totally unacceptable.
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  150. @Hippopotamusdrome


    and actually called to nuke Russia

     

    What's wrong with that?

    The offending quote, believe:

    Video: Solzhenitsyn demands to attack the USSR with nuclear weapons


    At one time there was no comparison between the strength of the USSR and yours. Then it became equal… (The Soviet advantage grew). Then (it became) three to one. Finally, it will be five to one… With such a nuclear superiority it will be possible to block the use of your weapons, and on some unlucky morning they will declare: 'Attention. We're marching our troops to Europe, and if you make a move, we will annihilate you.' And this ratio… of five to one will have its effect: you will not make a move.

     

    Well, it’s certainly wrong if you want to be considered a Russian patriot, or an ethical person, as Solzhenitsyn considered himself to be.

    As your transcription of the video shows, Solzhenitsyn did nothing of the sort (in real life, that is, not the smears and projections of his detractors).

    To the contrary, he cited American belligerence towards the Russian people (as distinct from containing the USSR’s imperialist ambitions) – including what he said was the desire of American generals had to nuke Russia – as a reason not to meet up with Reagan. His actual stated views were the exact opposite of what Shamir, Martyanov, and Krieger claim.

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    I think shamir's reponse was that yes, he didn't say it outright, but he also didn't try to correct the us/western press about it till years/decades later?

    by staying silent for so long, he might just as well be the one saying it. because they were using his name while doing so.

    if true, shamir is right.
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  151. Ron Unz says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Well yes, sure - Prussia was infamous for having a childless tax, so did some Communist countries. There's a pattern here - doubt this will fly in democratic polities. :)

    So you're left with incentive-based methods of increasing fertility.

    Problem: Not the first time it was tried, it didn't work in most countries that tried it, e.g., Japan.

    Hence the skepticism that it would have much of an effect when it was introduced, e.g. see here:

    With the goal of stimulating fertility, one of the government’s chief programs has been the innovative “maternal capital” measure, which gives cash and non-cash incentives for mothers. The implications of maternal capital are still debated, but many experts believe that the policy will have the effect only on the timing of fertility rather that on the total size of families; as such, the effect of maternal capital on long term population decline is expected to be small.
     
    I don't want to belabor the point with more examples - that this is conventional wisdom amongst demographers is indisputable.

    However, it did work in Russia, and I actually predicted as much (based on polls of Russian fertility preferences, and some other considerations).

    Well yes, sure – Prussia was infamous for having a childless tax, so did some Communist countries. There’s a pattern here – doubt this will fly in democratic polities.

    Sure, I’m not saying “democratic” Western governments would ever adopt such a policy, just that it would almost certainly work.

    I’ve sometimes mentioned this in the context of silly people saying “it’s impossible” for China to reverse its demographic decline with government policies. Nope, I tell them, it’s exactly pretty easy. The Chinese government probably thinks they already have plenty of Chinese, but if they ever decide they really need more, they could certainly produce as many as desired…

    As for Western governments being “democratic,” I think that’s actually pretty arguable, but whatever bizarre mix of pressure groups and ideologies determine their policies, it’s obvious that these would find reversing demographic decline to be totally unacceptable.

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  152. Jack Cann says:

    This thread seems like a wonderful example of why debate and discussion is useless in this society. And to me, a society which can not hold an intelligent debate and discussion is itself doomed.

    Everyone and everything is assigned a label. This label defines them and everything they might say or think. Beyond that, there can be no discussion. The assigned label is absolute and unchangeable.

    Thus, there is no real debate of ideas. Only a throwing of smears back and forth concerning the labels that are applied.

    Nothing like a world of people incapable of any rational debate or discussion while simultaneously possessing might nuclear weapons that can easily destroy the world if ever used. That doesn’t seem to be a good combination.

    Welcome to the modern world. And its complete incapacity to hold an intelligent discussion will doom this world. Perhaps to the benefit of the universe.

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  153. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ivan
    The Gulag Archipelago is to my mind the greatest document to have come out of the 20th century. For the martyrdom that convulsed the peoples of the territories of the Soviet Union, was repeated at all scales large and small throughout the world. It provides a coda for understanding much of the staggering and unnecessary bloodletting during the past century, it showed among other things that one had to have a dread fear of Communists everywhere. Communist apologists are wont to take Solzhenitsyn's figure of "upto 60 million victims", the same as Robert Conquest's figure and run away with it, claiming that the whole of the Gulag Archipelago was a tissue of lies. But of course the Archipelago was much more than a recitation of numbers, it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since. Prior to reading the volumes in the late 70s, I would be shocked at atrocity stories of Japanese soldiers and their butchery in Malaysia and Singapore (for I grew up in Singapore). But after the harrowing experience of going through the GA, nothing has surprised since, including for example the genocide perpetrated by the Khmer Rouge in 1975-1978.

    @ it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since.

    Yes, something similar happened to me. There is something in the human mind that “clicks” when confronted with an important truth.

    A few years back, I read Gulag again with a couple of friends who married jewish (and became thoroughly indoctrinated, as you might expect). I could see their growing realization. At some point, doing a bit of out-loud close reading, one of them said: “But this is worse than….” and did not finish the phrase.

    I made sure to hammer the point about understanding the authority principle of the Communist state. I miss that little book club.

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    Your friends were open to the truth. The Communist apologists are a whole other matter, since for them the "truth" is whatever furthers their agenda. The Nazis were an absolute evil when they invaded the Soviet Union, but were simply a type of national socialists, practitioners of their own brand of "socialism in one country", when the Nazi-Soviet Pact was in force. Tsarist repression was evil, feudal, reeks of Mongol barbarism, but class repression through the Gulag is necessary, temporary, logical, a sideshow on the road to the "radiant future". Pilsudski was a bloodthirsty Polish reactionary who stood in the way of revolution in Europe, aiding revanchist forces in Germany to consolidate the hold on Germany, but the separate peace of Brest-Litovsk that spared Imperial Germany was only so that the infant revolution would not be strangled, etc, etc..The output of the Communist hacks just write themselves.
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  154. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    Israel Shamir, born Izrail Schmerler and known by the pseudonyms Jöran Jermas, Adam Ermash, Vassili Krasevsky, and Robert David https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir

    Shamir is not whitewashing just Stalin on Bolshevik crimes but also Pol Pot's

    Shamir wrote a column defending Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge regime, writing that, "The Pol Pot the Cambodians remember was not a tyrant, but a great patriot and nationalist, a lover of native culture and native way of life." He further claimed that, "As for the mass killings, these are just horror stories, averred my Cambodian interlocutors."[13] The Phnom Penh Post sarcastically replied, "We must admit we were swayed when Shamir provided conclusive proof that the KR genocides were either inept or out-and-out fabrications: he alerted us to the fact that the population of Cambodia has doubled since 1970. We eagerly await his next Counterpunch article, 'Population of Europe has increased by a factor of six since 1939, therefore World War II never happened.
     

    Interesting. I noticed the recurring ‘horror stories’.

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  155. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ivan
    The Gulag Archipelago is to my mind the greatest document to have come out of the 20th century. For the martyrdom that convulsed the peoples of the territories of the Soviet Union, was repeated at all scales large and small throughout the world. It provides a coda for understanding much of the staggering and unnecessary bloodletting during the past century, it showed among other things that one had to have a dread fear of Communists everywhere. Communist apologists are wont to take Solzhenitsyn's figure of "upto 60 million victims", the same as Robert Conquest's figure and run away with it, claiming that the whole of the Gulag Archipelago was a tissue of lies. But of course the Archipelago was much more than a recitation of numbers, it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since. Prior to reading the volumes in the late 70s, I would be shocked at atrocity stories of Japanese soldiers and their butchery in Malaysia and Singapore (for I grew up in Singapore). But after the harrowing experience of going through the GA, nothing has surprised since, including for example the genocide perpetrated by the Khmer Rouge in 1975-1978.

    @ it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since.

    Something similar happened to me. There’s something in the human mind that just ‘clicks’ when shown an important truth.

    A few years ago, I read Gulag again with a couple of friends who had married jewish (and become thoroughly indoctrinated, as can be expected). I could see their growing realization. At some point, doing out-loud close reading, one of them said, “But, this is worse than…”, and didn’t finish the phrase.

    I made sure to insist on understanding the authority principle in the Communist state. I miss that little book club!

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  156. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim
    One cannot but be puzzled by the affirmation that Solzhenitsyn's Gulag is a 'work of fiction', like a novel. Solzhenitsyn wrote 'works of fiction' about the Gulag, 'A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich' and 'The Firsct Circle'. The 'Gulag Archipelago' is a documentary. Some data may be factually inexact (or rather sufficiently exact), but it is not a 'work of fiction'.

    'Works of fiction' are the short stories of Varlam Shalamov which are nevertheless deemed as the "definitive chronicle of those camps" as "the Soviet scholar David Satter writes". Who is David Satter?
    "David A. Satter (born August 1, 1947) is an American journalist and Rhodes Scholar, who writes works about on Russia and the Soviet Union....Satter was born in Chicago, the son of Clarice Komsky, a homemaker, and Mark Satter, a well-regarded attorney and civil rights activist. He graduated from the University of Chicago and from the University of Oxford where he was a Rhodes Scholar. From 1976 to 1982, he was the Moscow correspondent of the Financial Times of London. He then became a special correspondent on Soviet affairs of The Wall Street Journal. He is currently a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a fellow of the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies. He has been a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a visiting professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign...
    In his book 'Darkness at Dawn', Satter charged that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) was responsible for the bombings of Russian apartment buildings in 1999 that claimed nearly 300 lives and provided the justification for a second Chechen War. He argued that this was part of a conspiracy to bring Putin to power as Boris Yeltsin was fading...
    In December 2013, the Russian government expelled Satter from the country for allegedly committing "multiple gross violations” of Russian migration law; Satter said he followed the procedures the Russian Foreign Ministry set out for him and said that the manner of his expulsion was a formula reserved for spies. Luke Harding suggested that Satter's expulsion from the Russia was part of a wider trend by the FSB that is, "increasingly rejecting visa applications from western academics seeking to visit Russia if their publications are deemed hostile."

    Solzhenitsyn is reviled especially in the West (by the 'lefties' mostly) for his criticism of it and for his non-fiction work "200 years together" (thoroughly documented), practically banned in the West. And no less because his association with Putin and his Orthodox views. It seems that Solzhenitsyn, who called for an act of repentance (or at least of self-reflection about responsibilities) for the undeniable crimes perpetrated against the Russian people and the Church in the Communist era, is shunned by the spawn of the perpetrators, still in denial.
    The only 'victims' of Communist terror they accept are the Trotskyist 'victims' of 'Stalinist' terror (Varlam Shalamov among). Only Stalin was the baddie. The meme is still that 'revolutions are started by idealists and hijacked by crooks'.
    Would it come as a surprise that David Satter is Jewish? From a “progressive” family "who sympathized with the Soviet Union and various left-wing causes", shattered by the revelations "about the crimes of the Stalin period" (read Trotskyist)? And a vigorous denouncer of Putin and his kleptocratic mafia?
    Of course, he was critical of Solzhenitsyn's 'exhibiting many of the traits that he criticized in his books', like 'he joined the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, many of them former KGB informers, in casting doubt on the universal validity of human rights', 'praising Putin who waged a genocidal war in Chechnya and reimposed censorship', warning that ''as Russia reverts back to dictatorship, however, Solzhenitsyn’s own political evolution should not be completely ignored. Russia’s great weakness is its failure to value the truth for its own sake".

    Along the same lines I would note that Anne Appelbaum had a volume entitled Gulag: A History out that is touted as authoritative in the same inbred circles. Solzhenitsyn is subjected to same erasure of memory that many famous authours are victims of, when they cross certain pieties. Now the Gulag Archipelago is a testament among other things to Solzhenitsyn’s heroic status as a great 20th century writer, yet his three volumes are now only widely available through the favour of some kind soul who uploaded them onto the archive.org . For those who may be interested in reading, there is nothing to indicate antisemitism in those volumes (always the first test for our modern censors.). It may be interesting to note that John Demjanjuk’s Israeli defence lawyer, Yoram Sheftel had when he went in search of material to defend Demjanjuk, came across the same photographs of the commissars of the Gulag (in a propaganda poster?) that are reproduced in the second volume, including that of the notorious Frenkel almost all of them Jewish. Solzhenitsyn did not pick and choose to work his alleged ‘antisemitism’, he had merely reproduced the factual evidence.

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    Yes, while you could find vol. 1 in any public library (in Australia), vol. 2-3 were not. Solzhenitsyn's fall from favor, dismissed by some as an anti-Communist crank, by others as a nationalist anti-Semite came immediately after the naming and shaming of the ilk of Naftaly Frenkel, Matvei Berman a.o.
    Even Wikipedia acknowledges that: "The controversy surrounding this text, in particular, was largely due to the way Solzhenitsyn definitively and painstakingly laid the theoretical, legal, and practical origins of the Gulag system at Lenin's feet, not Stalin's. According to Solzhenitsyn's testimony, Stalin merely amplified a concentration camp system that was already in place. This is significant, as many Western intellectuals viewed the Soviet concentration camp system as a "Stalinist aberration".
    This is probably the time when the true "solemn, ultimate truth", "the definitive chronicle of those camps" was invented - 'The Kolyma Tales'.
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  157. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    It sounds french to me, and melody is typical chanson. But I would not bet on it.

    The song is in English, sera is pronounced as in Spanish with accent on the a, the original saying was it seems in (Anglo-)Italian.

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  158. CK says:
    @CK
    Which was recently published in the USA in English translation.
    https://www.amazon.com/Crucifixion-Russia-Russians-translation-Solzhenitsyns
    Better educated people than I will have to vouch for the validity of the translation,
    as the Italians have said: Translatore Traditore
    ... or if they haven't, they should have done.

    It appears that I did truncate too much, apologies offered.

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  159. @Ron Unz

    This is so dumb that it is not even wrong. Thank you for once again demonstrating you have no idea what you’re talking about.
     
    As everyone knows, there's a great deal of crazy nonsense everywhere in the Western MSM about a Russian Conspiracy to seize control of American politics by buying ads on Facebook or maybe leaving comments on Internet websites.

    Although my own webzine hasn't yet been cited as part of Putin's Plot, given the number of Russian and generally "pro-Russian" writers I publish, presumably that may eventually occur.

    Fortunately, I have a ready-made defense. Namely, the Russians who write here always seem to spend all their time attacking, ridiculing, and insulting each other about just about everything. So if Putin is paying them, it's not clear what message his Kremlin gold is actually promoting.

    Regarding the particular Russian demographic projections under dispute, I claim absolutely no expertise and scarcely know a single word of Russian. But I think to some extent, both Andrei and Anatoly might both be correct.

    My impression is that nearly all American demographers and media pundits projected endless Russian declines, so Anatoly may indeed have been one of the very few voices located here who was providing the correct, contrary predictions. But it's certainly possible that lots of Russian scholars were also saying the same thing during that, but that nobody in the West (or at least the Western MSM) paid any attention to them.

    actually, I saw a list, Unz Review was #8 on that list for russian propaganda. up 400% in that update since their last update. sorry, did not bother to save it.

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  160. AaronB says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Okay, at this point, I will defend Israel.

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.

    2. It seems that Israel started off as a sort of Jewish nationalist, but became highly disillusioned with it due to their treatment of their Palestinians, and defected to the anti-imperialist left instead. Hence going off to Sweden, before returning to Russia once it reopened its borders. An understandable if infrequent ideological progression (usually it’s the other way round).

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.

    As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*.

    As you well know, it’s exactly someone who fully accepts the validity of IQ who cannot explain Jewish influence, as it is far beyond the numbers IQ would predict.

    For some reason, like Derbyshire, you simply don’t wish to be honest about this. It’s probably just a strange emotional blind spot – you want a simple, tidy, world easily explained by numbers, and can’t handle complexity.

    Of course, non-IQ reasons are far from limited to conspiratorial theories – a strangely unintelligent comment – but can include “culture” and upbringing. But then, what kind of a scary world would it be where the simple world of numbers isn’t enough to explain everything.

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  161. @Anatoly Karlin
    Well, it's certainly wrong if you want to be considered a Russian patriot, or an ethical person, as Solzhenitsyn considered himself to be.

    As your transcription of the video shows, Solzhenitsyn did nothing of the sort (in real life, that is, not the smears and projections of his detractors).

    To the contrary, he cited American belligerence towards the Russian people (as distinct from containing the USSR's imperialist ambitions) - including what he said was the desire of American generals had to nuke Russia - as a reason not to meet up with Reagan. His actual stated views were the exact opposite of what Shamir, Martyanov, and Krieger claim.

    I think shamir’s reponse was that yes, he didn’t say it outright, but he also didn’t try to correct the us/western press about it till years/decades later?

    by staying silent for so long, he might just as well be the one saying it. because they were using his name while doing so.

    if true, shamir is right.

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  162. @Miro23

    You may have missed the point that one of them is on the Russian side only in his words, not in his heart. The quarrel is between the potential Russian compradorial and hypocritical “elite” against those with Russia (and peace) truly in their hearts.
     
    That's a good point, and you can see it in comparing Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago" with Applebaum's " Gulag: A History". Applebaum's book follows the plan of Solzhenitsyn's book (with continual sly digs at the author) and completely lacks the overall human sympathy found in Solzhenitsyn's text.

    The whole point of "Gulag: A History" is to replace Solzhenitsyn's account with a new standard reference, and it was predictably met with much MSM acclaim, while being loaded onto academic bookshelves to replace "The Gulag Archipelago".

    Solzhenitsyn's great crime of course, was to clearly show (although he didn't highlight it), that the Gulag, from the White Sea - Baltic canal (Belomorkanal) work/death camp onwards, were set up and run by Bolshevik Jews, and he named their names.

    Applebaum's project was to clean up this piece of history. In the new revised version of the Gulag, Jews have disappeared , and the camps just sort of materialized and ran themselves, with the implication that it must have been an ethnic Russian enterprise. The few Jews that are visible, are prisoners of a particularly saintly type, helping others out where they can.

    All I have read from Solzhenitsyn was Cancer ward. Was not worth much.
    Never interested in Solzhenitsyn anymore.
    If you want to understand Russians read Sholokhow “Quiet Don” You will find it in practically any library.

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    Quiet Don, that is an excellent recommendation and I read it as part of the secondary school curriculum.
    , @Yevardian
    Martyanov, since you seem to have had a good education in Russian literature, would you recommend Sholokov? I only remember Nabokov citing him as a prime example of the grey and mediocre world of official Soviet literature.
    Granted, Nabokov also trashed Dostoevsky, though even as someone who has read and (mostly) enjoyed nearly all of his works, I'll concede all his critiques also were precisely on point.
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  163. @Seamus Padraig
    Happy to note that in neither case were the sanctions terribly effective. The best thing Putin could do now would be to get rid of the Rothschilds and nationalize the Russian Central Bank.

    I am always for working cautiously and slowly but persistently Putin is o,k. not rushing things.

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  164. @Anatoly Karlin
    –no point of discussion.

    Indeed not, since you have shown yourself to be quite ill-informed about Russian demographics.

    Слив засчитан.

    Have you tried to write on gastroenterology or on quantum mechanics?

    You forgot to mention knowledge of Fourier transforms and aircraft stresses as a vital prerequisite of understanding a simple video.

    I think you two should finally decide on choice of weapons.

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  166. @Anatoly Karlin
    –no point of discussion.

    Indeed not, since you have shown yourself to be quite ill-informed about Russian demographics.

    Слив засчитан.

    Have you tried to write on gastroenterology or on quantum mechanics?

    You forgot to mention knowledge of Fourier transforms and aircraft stresses as a vital prerequisite of understanding a simple video.

    Indeed not, since you have shown yourself to be quite ill-informed about Russian demographics.

    You mean by pointing out that Maternal Capital preceded your self-vaunted “predictions” by a number of years? Sure.

    Слив засчитан.

    Absolutely,do not forget to tell this also to your kindergarten teacher.

    You forgot to mention knowledge of Fourier transforms and aircraft stresses as a vital prerequisite of understanding a simple video.

    Yes, to understand nuclearism and strategies derived from it one has to have a very extensive academic background and practical experience–things precisely Solzhenitsyn never had but, same as Richard Pipes, whose background in military affairs is limited to having a drink with couple of generals, never hesitated to spread around an utterly amateur BS, such as your mental exploits of war and warfare, of which you do not have a clue. Sadly, this didn’t prevent you from offering your opinion on that. You just have to accept reality and limit yourself on writing things on matters of IQ (in a narrow sense) and pretend that you know demographics. You should avoid writing anything on Russian history, because you will be called out on every BS point you are spreading. Such as this:

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008

    Again, you were not and the timeline of Maternity Capital and national discussion on its merit were happening while you were an actual teenager. So your false claim is a typical pathetic attempt on some kind of validation. No worry, everyone goes through this age–it is just not everybody ends up being an honest observer. If you want, however, discuss how Nuclear Posture Reviews are written in US or how in general nuclear policies are formulated–be my guest, I will gladly educate you, when having time, on some of those issues. I don’t think you will understand them, but hey, no harm in trying;-)

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    You need a background in mathematics and engineering that Solzhenitsyn never had, in order to understand Solzhenitsyn's language on a simple topic, to the vast majority of listeners at any rate.

    My background is only in logic among other things, but this seems strange to me.
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  167. @Hippopotamusdrome


    horror stories about GULAG

     

    Do you dispute a specefic fact from one of his books? Can you recommend a book by a more reasonable author who was also a GULAG inmate?

    Do you dispute a specefic fact from one of his books? Can you recommend a book by a more reasonable author who was also a GULAG inmate?

    Varlam Shalamov Kolyma Tales. It was his, Shalamov’s, manuscripts which were literally stolen bu Solzh and, with Solzh’s “commentaries” were used in GULAG. As Shalamov wrote in his notebook: “No bitch from “progressive humanity” should be allowed near my archive. I forbid writer Solzhenitsyn and all those having thoughts similar to his have acquaintance with my archive.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kolyma_Tales

    For the real scale of GULAG, however, as well as of actual innocent (there were many who were actual criminals), see Zenskov and a whole plethora of reputable Russin historians and even FSB Chief Patrushev–all numbers are in the open.

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  168. @Hippopotamusdrome


    and actually called to nuke Russia

     

    What's wrong with that?

    The offending quote, believe:

    Video: Solzhenitsyn demands to attack the USSR with nuclear weapons


    At one time there was no comparison between the strength of the USSR and yours. Then it became equal… (The Soviet advantage grew). Then (it became) three to one. Finally, it will be five to one… With such a nuclear superiority it will be possible to block the use of your weapons, and on some unlucky morning they will declare: 'Attention. We're marching our troops to Europe, and if you make a move, we will annihilate you.' And this ratio… of five to one will have its effect: you will not make a move.

     

    What’s wrong with that?

    Do the forensic experiment and try to tell one of your closest keen that you will call some other people on killing them. See the results. As per this specifically:

    Finally, it will be five to one… With such a nuclear superiority it will be possible to block the use of your weapons, and on some unlucky morning they will declare: ‘Attention. We’re marching our troops to Europe, and if you make a move, we will annihilate you.’ And this ratio… of five to one will have its effect: you will not make a move.

    A single phrase which testifies to an absolute ignorance (forget idiotic ratios off the wall, same as claims by Solzh of 60 millions perished) on how nuclear weapons are used and what was a transition from countervalue to counterforce. In general, absolute utter delirium.

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  169. @Sergey Krieger
    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90's from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.

    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90′s from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.

    He effectively re-nationalized, thus saving it, most of machine-building complex. Enough to take a look at how Krasnoye Sormovo was saved, with 100% shares of it being in the ownership of OSK. In 1990s it was “privatized” and, basically, killed. Today it is back with a vengeance and is building ships again. We’ll see.

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  170. Dmitry says:
    @Ivan
    The Gulag Archipelago is to my mind the greatest document to have come out of the 20th century. For the martyrdom that convulsed the peoples of the territories of the Soviet Union, was repeated at all scales large and small throughout the world. It provides a coda for understanding much of the staggering and unnecessary bloodletting during the past century, it showed among other things that one had to have a dread fear of Communists everywhere. Communist apologists are wont to take Solzhenitsyn's figure of "upto 60 million victims", the same as Robert Conquest's figure and run away with it, claiming that the whole of the Gulag Archipelago was a tissue of lies. But of course the Archipelago was much more than a recitation of numbers, it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since. Prior to reading the volumes in the late 70s, I would be shocked at atrocity stories of Japanese soldiers and their butchery in Malaysia and Singapore (for I grew up in Singapore). But after the harrowing experience of going through the GA, nothing has surprised since, including for example the genocide perpetrated by the Khmer Rouge in 1975-1978.

    A talented artist – does not necessarily make a reliable scholar.

    As artist, sure he might be able to make universal and brilliant insights. A single play from Shakespeare tells more about human nature, than thousands of conformist scholars working in joke pseudo-sciences like ‘evolutionary psychology’ or ‘sociology’ have achieved with decades of work.

    But if you want objective or reliable summary of the data – artist is probably the worst personality type you can choose, whether with first-hand experience or not. The more like a robot the person working in such a field, the better for data collection and summarisation process.

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    I have to agree that an artist cannot be exclusively relied upon for a mere retailing of the facts. The facts about the Soviet system of repression however rests on much more than AI Solzhenitsyn's imagination. In Stalin: A New Biography of a Dictator by the historian Oleg Khlevniuk which relies on the archives, the historian arrives at a figure of 20 million dead as the cost of Communism. Dr Vadim Birstein's book on SMERSH meticulously documented while not on the Gulag provides excruciating details on the machinery of the Soviet state and not incidentally its efficiency as a meat grinder, although he confines his attention to Second World War. Hell if one had machinery like that it squeezes out human beings just for the heck of it.
    , @Parbes
    Evolutionary psychology and sociology are not "joke sciences", you neocon reactionary shit-for-brains.
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  171. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    p.s.
    One Russian division in WW2 had from 50 to 80 thousand fighting man.

    One Russian division in WW2 had from 50 to 80 thousand fighting man.

    Are you sure you are not mistaking Corps (and small Army) formations for divisions? It is one hell of a division I would say.

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    Regular peace division is about 40 thousand personnel with standard structure.
    In a war condition regarding the previous losses, and difficulties of the task the size of the division increases from 50 to 80 thousand personnel, That was in second world war and it will be in third world war also,
    You have to know also that for every fighting soldier must be at least 3 service soldiers.
    So one peaceful division has only actually 10 thousand fighting man
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  172. It might be ehat we talked about in your blog. Probably many unrelated no 30′s, small steps to avoid unwarranted attention leading to snowball effect. Let’s see. I have been following you for the past 5 years. I know you as a man who is not throwing words around. On my part it is plain lack of patience.

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  173. Kiza says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Kiza, kids in modern capitalism are pure gold. That's why there is so few of them. For capitalists is far cheaper to bring total strangers than to help own population flourish. Basically, in final stages capitalism is antithesis of life. Russia is not the West and despite being capitalistic I cannot imagine them throwing Russian people under the bus like this via various immigration schemes. Maternal capital seems like a good start but more is needed. Demographical situation is strategic issue for Russia.

    Hello Sergey, I will answer both your comments in one.

    “…in ussr there was 100% employment with guaranteed employment according to studied occupation upon graduation. Those would bring free apartments for life with smallish rents and utilities payments per month that I spent more on ice cream and cinemas…”
    Yes, I lived in socialism/communism too, one may call it the Croatian Communism because Tito was a Croatian in this is why Yugoslavia was not part of the Soviet Block. There were some really good and some really bad things in socialism. The good thing was the spending on health and education, the bad was the endemic indolence, the majorisations of the dumb over the smart and other, the horrible inefficiency of decisions, the negative selection of leaders, parasitism of leaders, and so on and so on. In my view, there was more bad than good, this is why I left before it all fell apart. To put it simply, communism was a fantastic theoretical idea but poorly matched to people’s nature, not to mention that it was captured and totally deformed by the Bolsheviks/Jewish Globalists.

    The humanity is now in a transitory state – socialism/communism is unlikely to be revived, whilst the capitalism appears to have gone completely off rails with the rich getting super-filthy rich and the middle class disappearing, mostly due to government, regulatory and all other areas of capture = corruption. It is obvious that we cannot continue with the current form of capitalism but new ideas are lacking. Religion is filling the gap, especially in Eastern Europe and Russia, and it is not even a bad (temporary) replacement. In the West, we killed God but did not find any decent replacement.

    Regarding thieves as employers, this is the capitalist reality. Honest rich are a rare minority and even those under peer-pressure joined the Davos Club.

    “…kids in modern capitalism are pure gold. That’s why there is so few of them.”
    And when there is so few of them then there is a lot of nutty neurotic behavior.

    “For capitalists is far cheaper to bring total strangers than to help own population flourish.”
    It is amazing how long it took the silent majority to click-in onto this, and some still do not get it.

    “Basically, in final stages capitalism is antithesis of life.”
    Yes, this is the absolute key issue. Can we develop something new before everything goes up in nuclear hell-fire? These are tough times for the believers.

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  174. Kiza says:
    @Miro23

    You may have missed the point that one of them is on the Russian side only in his words, not in his heart. The quarrel is between the potential Russian compradorial and hypocritical “elite” against those with Russia (and peace) truly in their hearts.
     
    That's a good point, and you can see it in comparing Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago" with Applebaum's " Gulag: A History". Applebaum's book follows the plan of Solzhenitsyn's book (with continual sly digs at the author) and completely lacks the overall human sympathy found in Solzhenitsyn's text.

    The whole point of "Gulag: A History" is to replace Solzhenitsyn's account with a new standard reference, and it was predictably met with much MSM acclaim, while being loaded onto academic bookshelves to replace "The Gulag Archipelago".

    Solzhenitsyn's great crime of course, was to clearly show (although he didn't highlight it), that the Gulag, from the White Sea - Baltic canal (Belomorkanal) work/death camp onwards, were set up and run by Bolshevik Jews, and he named their names.

    Applebaum's project was to clean up this piece of history. In the new revised version of the Gulag, Jews have disappeared , and the camps just sort of materialized and ran themselves, with the implication that it must have been an ethnic Russian enterprise. The few Jews that are visible, are prisoners of a particularly saintly type, helping others out where they can.

    Hello Miro23 I like your comments.

    I avoided sharing my short personal view of Solzhenitsyn, but here it is. I read him as part of the grammar school curriculum and a few works later in my life, never read “200 years together”. He hated communism and wrote well. But he was not a saint, and it is quite silly to expect or make an artist into one (artists’ souls are usually cocktails of feelings, not bedrocks of rationality). When he arrived in the West, he did say some stupid things and the West also warped some of the things he said – a typical used dissident. Once he stopped being the propaganda attraction of the West and learned more about the West, he gradually became an unconditional Russian patriot, even reduced criticism of SU. He was lucky enough to die in his own country and even celebrated, despite his minor contribution to its demise. Thus, both sides here can point to some period of his life which fits their preferred image of one fallible man. In a sum up, overall he probably did more good than bad, but this is the kind of perspective that one needs before and when reading his works – do not glorify, understand the writer and his milieu.

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  175. Seraphim says:
    @Ivan
    Along the same lines I would note that Anne Appelbaum had a volume entitled Gulag: A History out that is touted as authoritative in the same inbred circles. Solzhenitsyn is subjected to same erasure of memory that many famous authours are victims of, when they cross certain pieties. Now the Gulag Archipelago is a testament among other things to Solzhenitsyn's heroic status as a great 20th century writer, yet his three volumes are now only widely available through the favour of some kind soul who uploaded them onto the archive.org . For those who may be interested in reading, there is nothing to indicate antisemitism in those volumes (always the first test for our modern censors.). It may be interesting to note that John Demjanjuk's Israeli defence lawyer, Yoram Sheftel had when he went in search of material to defend Demjanjuk, came across the same photographs of the commissars of the Gulag (in a propaganda poster?) that are reproduced in the second volume, including that of the notorious Frenkel almost all of them Jewish. Solzhenitsyn did not pick and choose to work his alleged 'antisemitism', he had merely reproduced the factual evidence.

    Yes, while you could find vol. 1 in any public library (in Australia), vol. 2-3 were not. Solzhenitsyn’s fall from favor, dismissed by some as an anti-Communist crank, by others as a nationalist anti-Semite came immediately after the naming and shaming of the ilk of Naftaly Frenkel, Matvei Berman a.o.
    Even Wikipedia acknowledges that: “The controversy surrounding this text, in particular, was largely due to the way Solzhenitsyn definitively and painstakingly laid the theoretical, legal, and practical origins of the Gulag system at Lenin’s feet, not Stalin’s. According to Solzhenitsyn’s testimony, Stalin merely amplified a concentration camp system that was already in place. This is significant, as many Western intellectuals viewed the Soviet concentration camp system as a “Stalinist aberration”.
    This is probably the time when the true “solemn, ultimate truth”, “the definitive chronicle of those camps” was invented – ‘The Kolyma Tales’.

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    You have clearly identified the the two ends of the millstone between which the reputation of any honest witness to the events are ground and made unrecognizable. "Antisemitism" and "leftist propaganda." Working in tandem they have created this fog of misdirection and lies that many including the Russians exploit for their own purposes.
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  176. Kiza says:
    @utu
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir

    Norman Finkelstein is quoted by Tablet magazine article "His Jewish Problem" as saying that Shamir "has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true".[22] Manfred Ropschitz in the Independent Media Center article writes that "For twenty years the Jewish Israeli journalist Israel Shamir has been living a double life as a Swede called Jöran Jermas".[19]

    Searchlight describes him as a "Swedish anti-semite",[23] and says that was registered in Sweden in 1984 and gained Swedish citizenship in 1992.[12] He left Sweden for Russia and then Israel in 1993, before returning in 1998, having remarried in Israel in July 1994.[23] However, others argue that Swedish files show that he was married in Sweden.[24] He was known as Jöran Jermas from 2001 to 2005, before changing his name to Adam Ermash, although continuing to use Israel Shamir as a pen name

    According to him, he studied mathematics and law at Novosibirsk University. He moved to Israel in 1969,[11][12][13] and states that he served as paratrooper in the Israel Defense Forces and fought in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.[14] After the war, he says he returned to studying law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, but abandoned this for a career in journalism.[
     

    Sorry for asking utu, but are you a Hasbara troll by any chance? Even if you are not you are quoting the Wiki/Hasbara smear of Shamir.

    As a smart person said, never rely on Wikipedia when the issue is even remotely related to Israel or the Jews.

    Regrading the radical leftism of Shamir I totally disagree, but this is his personal view and I still respect the man and the author.

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    As a smart person said, never rely on Wikipedia when the issue is even remotely related to Israel or the Jews.
     
    An even smarter person will tell you to be careful when using the generalized quantifier never. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

    If you were a Palestinian would you like that a prominent advocate of your cause turned out to be (1) Stalin apologists and denier of communist crimes (2) deniers of Pol Pot crimes, (3) anti-semite? Would it occur to you that the PR of your cause is actually more harmed than helped by a person like this? Would you consider a possibility that behind Shamir's placing himself on the side of the Palestinian's cause is something more that just a strange mish-mash of idiosyncratic and iconoclastic views and his alleged love of just causes?

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  177. @Andrei Martyanov

    One Russian division in WW2 had from 50 to 80 thousand fighting man.
     
    Are you sure you are not mistaking Corps (and small Army) formations for divisions? It is one hell of a division I would say.

    Regular peace division is about 40 thousand personnel with standard structure.
    In a war condition regarding the previous losses, and difficulties of the task the size of the division increases from 50 to 80 thousand personnel, That was in second world war and it will be in third world war also,
    You have to know also that for every fighting soldier must be at least 3 service soldiers.
    So one peaceful division has only actually 10 thousand fighting man

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    Regular peace division is about 40 thousand personnel with standard structure.
     
    Well, it is simply not true. Here is a short review.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_(military)

    However, in WWII this is roughly what it was:

    http://secondworldwar.co.uk/index.php/army-sizes-a-ranks/86-army-units-a-sizes

    Modern American division ranges anywhere from 10 to 16-17 000 (depending on the number and size of brigades), Russian one anywhere from 8000 (for paratroops) to 12 000.
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  178. Ivan says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    and actually called to nuke Russia

     

    What's wrong with that?

    The offending quote, believe:

    Video: Solzhenitsyn demands to attack the USSR with nuclear weapons


    At one time there was no comparison between the strength of the USSR and yours. Then it became equal… (The Soviet advantage grew). Then (it became) three to one. Finally, it will be five to one… With such a nuclear superiority it will be possible to block the use of your weapons, and on some unlucky morning they will declare: 'Attention. We're marching our troops to Europe, and if you make a move, we will annihilate you.' And this ratio… of five to one will have its effect: you will not make a move.

     

    It has to be recalled that when Solzhenitsyn made those speeches in the US , now selectively edited by Communist propagandists, the US was in retreat in the aftermath of fall of Vietnam. A retreat that the Soviet Union took full advantage of to massively expand its armed forces. The period in question was from 1975 to the mid 80s. An examination of the record will show that the fear of the NATO planners of that era , that the US will not be able to perform its tripwire function, that of using its nuclear weapons in Europe in case of an overwhelming Soviet attack was all too real. This was the era when the Americans had to contend with their domestic opposition to maintain their posture in Europe. When the basing of Pershing 2 missiles in Europe created great difficulties for their European allies. A difficulty the Soviet apologists in Europe were all to able to exploit. Solzhenitsyn’s remarks were nothing more than a reminder that the US strategy for the defence of Europe – that of using its forces in Germany as a tripwire for the use of nuclear weapons was in danger of being overwhelmed by the sheer mass of Soviet weaponry such as the SS18 and SS20 battlefield nuclear weapons, when coupled with the numerical superiority of the Warsaw Pact forces. His was essentially a plea for stability in Europe to prevent military misadventures, but for obvious reasons Communist propagandists have distorted his message.

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  179. Ivan says: • Website
    @Dmitry
    A talented artist - does not necessarily make a reliable scholar.

    As artist, sure he might be able to make universal and brilliant insights. A single play from Shakespeare tells more about human nature, than thousands of conformist scholars working in joke pseudo-sciences like 'evolutionary psychology' or 'sociology' have achieved with decades of work.

    But if you want objective or reliable summary of the data - artist is probably the worst personality type you can choose, whether with first-hand experience or not. The more like a robot the person working in such a field, the better for data collection and summarisation process.

    I have to agree that an artist cannot be exclusively relied upon for a mere retailing of the facts. The facts about the Soviet system of repression however rests on much more than AI Solzhenitsyn’s imagination. In Stalin: A New Biography of a Dictator by the historian Oleg Khlevniuk which relies on the archives, the historian arrives at a figure of 20 million dead as the cost of Communism. Dr Vadim Birstein’s book on SMERSH meticulously documented while not on the Gulag provides excruciating details on the machinery of the Soviet state and not incidentally its efficiency as a meat grinder, although he confines his attention to Second World War. Hell if one had machinery like that it squeezes out human beings just for the heck of it.

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  180. utu says:
    @Kiza
    Sorry for asking utu, but are you a Hasbara troll by any chance? Even if you are not you are quoting the Wiki/Hasbara smear of Shamir.

    As a smart person said, never rely on Wikipedia when the issue is even remotely related to Israel or the Jews.

    Regrading the radical leftism of Shamir I totally disagree, but this is his personal view and I still respect the man and the author.

    As a smart person said, never rely on Wikipedia when the issue is even remotely related to Israel or the Jews.

    An even smarter person will tell you to be careful when using the generalized quantifier never. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

    If you were a Palestinian would you like that a prominent advocate of your cause turned out to be (1) Stalin apologists and denier of communist crimes (2) deniers of Pol Pot crimes, (3) anti-semite? Would it occur to you that the PR of your cause is actually more harmed than helped by a person like this? Would you consider a possibility that behind Shamir’s placing himself on the side of the Palestinian’s cause is something more that just a strange mish-mash of idiosyncratic and iconoclastic views and his alleged love of just causes?

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  181. utu says:
    @Seraphim
    One cannot but be puzzled by the affirmation that Solzhenitsyn's Gulag is a 'work of fiction', like a novel. Solzhenitsyn wrote 'works of fiction' about the Gulag, 'A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich' and 'The Firsct Circle'. The 'Gulag Archipelago' is a documentary. Some data may be factually inexact (or rather sufficiently exact), but it is not a 'work of fiction'.

    'Works of fiction' are the short stories of Varlam Shalamov which are nevertheless deemed as the "definitive chronicle of those camps" as "the Soviet scholar David Satter writes". Who is David Satter?
    "David A. Satter (born August 1, 1947) is an American journalist and Rhodes Scholar, who writes works about on Russia and the Soviet Union....Satter was born in Chicago, the son of Clarice Komsky, a homemaker, and Mark Satter, a well-regarded attorney and civil rights activist. He graduated from the University of Chicago and from the University of Oxford where he was a Rhodes Scholar. From 1976 to 1982, he was the Moscow correspondent of the Financial Times of London. He then became a special correspondent on Soviet affairs of The Wall Street Journal. He is currently a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a fellow of the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies. He has been a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a visiting professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign...
    In his book 'Darkness at Dawn', Satter charged that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) was responsible for the bombings of Russian apartment buildings in 1999 that claimed nearly 300 lives and provided the justification for a second Chechen War. He argued that this was part of a conspiracy to bring Putin to power as Boris Yeltsin was fading...
    In December 2013, the Russian government expelled Satter from the country for allegedly committing "multiple gross violations” of Russian migration law; Satter said he followed the procedures the Russian Foreign Ministry set out for him and said that the manner of his expulsion was a formula reserved for spies. Luke Harding suggested that Satter's expulsion from the Russia was part of a wider trend by the FSB that is, "increasingly rejecting visa applications from western academics seeking to visit Russia if their publications are deemed hostile."

    Solzhenitsyn is reviled especially in the West (by the 'lefties' mostly) for his criticism of it and for his non-fiction work "200 years together" (thoroughly documented), practically banned in the West. And no less because his association with Putin and his Orthodox views. It seems that Solzhenitsyn, who called for an act of repentance (or at least of self-reflection about responsibilities) for the undeniable crimes perpetrated against the Russian people and the Church in the Communist era, is shunned by the spawn of the perpetrators, still in denial.
    The only 'victims' of Communist terror they accept are the Trotskyist 'victims' of 'Stalinist' terror (Varlam Shalamov among). Only Stalin was the baddie. The meme is still that 'revolutions are started by idealists and hijacked by crooks'.
    Would it come as a surprise that David Satter is Jewish? From a “progressive” family "who sympathized with the Soviet Union and various left-wing causes", shattered by the revelations "about the crimes of the Stalin period" (read Trotskyist)? And a vigorous denouncer of Putin and his kleptocratic mafia?
    Of course, he was critical of Solzhenitsyn's 'exhibiting many of the traits that he criticized in his books', like 'he joined the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, many of them former KGB informers, in casting doubt on the universal validity of human rights', 'praising Putin who waged a genocidal war in Chechnya and reimposed censorship', warning that ''as Russia reverts back to dictatorship, however, Solzhenitsyn’s own political evolution should not be completely ignored. Russia’s great weakness is its failure to value the truth for its own sake".

    Solzhenitsyn is reviled especially in the West (by the ‘lefties’ mostly) for his criticism of it and for his non-fiction work “200 years together” (thoroughly documented), practically banned in the West

    .

    The Solzhenitsyn’s split with the liberal left occurred with A World Split Apart speech as Harvard commencement address in June 1978. Then the Western left and media realized that he will no longer be useful to their causes and projects. This was the end of Solzhenitsyn as media star in the West. This let him concentrate on his greatest project The Red Wheel.

    Should I be asked … whether I would propose the West, such as it is today, as a model to my country [Russia], I would frankly have to answer negatively. No, I could not recommend your society as an ideal for the transformation of ours. Through deep suffering, people in our own country have now achieved a spiritual development of such intensity that the Western system in its present state of spiritual exhaustion does not look attractive. … Six decades for our people and three decades for the people of Eastern Europe; during that time we have been through a spiritual training far in advance of Western experience. The complex and deadly crush of life has produced stronger, deeper, and more interesting personalities than those generated by standardized Western well-being …

    I agree. I would not propose the West as model. However I do not believe that 60 years of suffering under communism lead to a spiritual development in general. In most cases suffering dehumanizes people and destroys their souls. In rare cases it leads to spiritual transcendence and intellectual growth. For whatever reasons Alexander Solzhenitsyn exemplifies the best of the rare cases. It is almost superhuman.

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    Certainly what drove bananas the liberal-green left West was the publication of Chapter 22 from 'August 1914', 'Lenin in Zurich' in which the "reactionary religious crackpot Alexander Solzhenitsyn, whose pathological hatred of Lenin was first displayed in his 1976 book Lenin in Zurich — sets out to portray Lenin as the "worst and cruelest autocrat" in Russia's history".
    The politically correct people of the left and the Soviet zombies are in red alert that the "Red Wheel" will be shortly published in English.
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  182. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim
    Yes, while you could find vol. 1 in any public library (in Australia), vol. 2-3 were not. Solzhenitsyn's fall from favor, dismissed by some as an anti-Communist crank, by others as a nationalist anti-Semite came immediately after the naming and shaming of the ilk of Naftaly Frenkel, Matvei Berman a.o.
    Even Wikipedia acknowledges that: "The controversy surrounding this text, in particular, was largely due to the way Solzhenitsyn definitively and painstakingly laid the theoretical, legal, and practical origins of the Gulag system at Lenin's feet, not Stalin's. According to Solzhenitsyn's testimony, Stalin merely amplified a concentration camp system that was already in place. This is significant, as many Western intellectuals viewed the Soviet concentration camp system as a "Stalinist aberration".
    This is probably the time when the true "solemn, ultimate truth", "the definitive chronicle of those camps" was invented - 'The Kolyma Tales'.

    You have clearly identified the the two ends of the millstone between which the reputation of any honest witness to the events are ground and made unrecognizable. “Antisemitism” and “leftist propaganda.” Working in tandem they have created this fog of misdirection and lies that many including the Russians exploit for their own purposes.

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  183. Seraphim says:
    @utu

    Solzhenitsyn is reviled especially in the West (by the ‘lefties’ mostly) for his criticism of it and for his non-fiction work “200 years together” (thoroughly documented), practically banned in the West
     
    .

    The Solzhenitsyn's split with the liberal left occurred with A World Split Apart speech as Harvard commencement address in June 1978. Then the Western left and media realized that he will no longer be useful to their causes and projects. This was the end of Solzhenitsyn as media star in the West. This let him concentrate on his greatest project The Red Wheel.


    Should I be asked … whether I would propose the West, such as it is today, as a model to my country [Russia], I would frankly have to answer negatively. No, I could not recommend your society as an ideal for the transformation of ours. Through deep suffering, people in our own country have now achieved a spiritual development of such intensity that the Western system in its present state of spiritual exhaustion does not look attractive. … Six decades for our people and three decades for the people of Eastern Europe; during that time we have been through a spiritual training far in advance of Western experience. The complex and deadly crush of life has produced stronger, deeper, and more interesting personalities than those generated by standardized Western well-being …
     
    I agree. I would not propose the West as model. However I do not believe that 60 years of suffering under communism lead to a spiritual development in general. In most cases suffering dehumanizes people and destroys their souls. In rare cases it leads to spiritual transcendence and intellectual growth. For whatever reasons Alexander Solzhenitsyn exemplifies the best of the rare cases. It is almost superhuman.

    Certainly what drove bananas the liberal-green left West was the publication of Chapter 22 from ‘August 1914′, ‘Lenin in Zurich’ in which the “reactionary religious crackpot Alexander Solzhenitsyn, whose pathological hatred of Lenin was first displayed in his 1976 book Lenin in Zurich — sets out to portray Lenin as the “worst and cruelest autocrat” in Russia’s history”.
    The politically correct people of the left and the Soviet zombies are in red alert that the “Red Wheel” will be shortly published in English.

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  184. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Okay, at this point, I will defend Israel.

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.

    2. It seems that Israel started off as a sort of Jewish nationalist, but became highly disillusioned with it due to their treatment of their Palestinians, and defected to the anti-imperialist left instead. Hence going off to Sweden, before returning to Russia once it reopened its borders. An understandable if infrequent ideological progression (usually it’s the other way round).

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.

    You created here a straw man by using the pronoun everyone. If I disagree with somebody I may consider many causes of the disagreement including me being wrong. Each case is different. Attribution of ignorance and stupidity can dispose of many cases. But sometimes more complex explanations are necessary. For instance in your case my working hypothesis is that you are naive and misguided and in your young age were exposed to primitive reductionist ideas that are inherently toxic, I mean the American version of libertarianism and the Anglo-Saxon IQism. But you are still young and hopefully you will grow out of it and purge the toxins out of your system. But it will be difficult. When being in the grip of a reductionist belief system it is hard to see the world from without it. So there are no guarantee of salvation by maturation, experience and the old age as cases of John Derbyshire and Steve Sailer testify. Obviously I do not have a proof that Israel Shamir is some kind of agent of influence but his activism is very curious and make you wonder who benefits by his activism. Look at his advocacy of Palestinian causes. If you were a Palestinian would you like that a prominent advocate of your cause turned out to be (1) Stalin apologists and denier of communist crimes (2) deniers of Pol Pot crimes, (3) anti-semite? Would it occur to you that the PR of your cause is actually more harmed than helped by a person like this? Would you consider a possibility that behind Shamir’s placing himself on the side of the Palestinian’s cause is something more than just a strange mish-mash of idiosyncratic and iconoclastic and abhorrent views and his alleged love of just causes? Furthermore, what do we know about him? Norman Finkelstein said that Shamir “has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true”. Shamir is a very unique person. His emigration form the USSR must have been very unique itself. In the decade 1960-1970 only 4000 people were allowed to emigrate from the USSR. In 1969 3,033 people got exit visas to Israel. One of them was 22 years old Shamir. The state of Israel wanted young people of military age and people with military experience to make aliyah. They did not want old and decrepit ones as the letter of 1958 by Golda Meir indicates:

    “A proposal was raised in the coordination committee to inform the Polish government that we want to institute selection in aliyah, because we cannot continue accepting sick and handicapped people. Please give your opinion as to whether this can be explained to the Poles without hurting immigration,” read the document, written by Meir to Israel’s ambassador to Poland, Katriel Katz.

    But USSR did not want to let the young and talented to leave. They had their own army and research institutes were young talented Jews could be utilized. Still Shamir got his exit visa. One among 3,033 in the 245 million country. Year earlier in 1968 only 231 Soviet Jews were granted exit visas. But this was the time after the Six-Day War of 1967. Various strings were being pulled. Against and for Israel. Even in the USSR which broke off the relationship with Israel and was officially pro Arab there were forces successfully pushing for aliyah. Already in the fall of 1967 in Poland a purge of Jews from military forces has began. While accusing Poland of anti-semitism on the one hand Israel was looking forward of getting military trained officers from Poland. Actually the accusation of anti-semitism often are the coverup for true benefits behind the so-called anti-semitism.

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.

    I do not know what do you mean by conspiracy but any form of cooperation (and any conspiracy is by definition a cooperation) requires a significant cognitive ability and special personality traits. Some paranoid schizophrenics to sustain their paranoia require a significant intelligence to weave the paranoid narrative. For some reason these schizophrenics do not band together and act in tandem to promote their mutual advantage. Or perhaps they do in some cases. Perhaps Judaism is a case of a successful psychosis that managed to remain intact for several thousands of years that provide a framework for cooperation and goals. While intelligence is a necessary condition the narrative is much more important. The intelligence that helps Jews to be successful may have nothing to do with the IQ score which in your conceptually impoverished world is supposed to explain everything. The psychosis of being chosen, of being the light onto nation and all other superlatives that are a part of Jewish narrative are more important than anything. For every Jew in the world there are many gentiles who have higher IQ then them but they operate on different software. Your IQ theories can’t explain overrepresentation of Jews in many fields just like your theories can’t explain overrepresentation of Sicilians in Italian mafia. One has to stipulate a non Gaussian distribution that has not been verified by anybody to account for Jewish overrepresentation. When you meet a Jew you do not look at the IQ tattooed on his forehead as you envision in Karlin’s new brave world but you should think that you are just meeting a nod of a network that is constituted by invisible to you links. In some way you can look at Judaism as a narrative in which every Jews is a conspirator. There are many layers in this narrative. … and so on.

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    I'm sure you have considered the site? White male identitarianism (through IQ and oppression)+ Israel. Europe= rehash the battles of the past. The obvious battle at hand (globalism) and its instruments (new ideologies, networked multilateral system) or the locus of institutional resistance are .... missing. Immigration on point, but not tackled in a meaningful way.
    , @AaronB
    Outstanding comment.

    Great explanation of how Jews may operative without recourse to IQ.

    I am utterly baffled how anyone can still claim that IQ explains Jewish influence. It's precisely those who believe in IQ who should be aware that the numbers don't match.

    Yet it's precisely those who believe most in IQ who can't accept that. It's so weird.

    Like Derbyshire, who wants to bet Karlin will in no way bring his position into line with logic and numeracy? He'll just keep on saying the same old thing.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    But USSR did not want to let the young and talented to leave. They had their own army and research institutes were young talented Jews could be utilized.
     
    Ahem, you would have been greatly surprised by a rather manifest scarcity of Jews in any serious Soviet military research institute in 1960s-80s. Not zero but, certainly, very few. They also were present to a degree in the Armed Forces as officers--again, very small percentage. Obviously some were of great prominence such as Gurevich (G in MiG). In other words, there was no particular "need" in "young and talented Jews" in the Soviet Armed Forces.
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  185. Ivan says:
    @Anon
    @ it showed to me the depth of depravity of human beings, the relentlessness of an extreme example of a modern bureaucratic state, unmatched by any literature factual or otherwise since.

    Yes, something similar happened to me. There is something in the human mind that "clicks" when confronted with an important truth.

    A few years back, I read Gulag again with a couple of friends who married jewish (and became thoroughly indoctrinated, as you might expect). I could see their growing realization. At some point, doing a bit of out-loud close reading, one of them said: "But this is worse than...." and did not finish the phrase.

    I made sure to hammer the point about understanding the authority principle of the Communist state. I miss that little book club.

    Your friends were open to the truth. The Communist apologists are a whole other matter, since for them the “truth” is whatever furthers their agenda. The Nazis were an absolute evil when they invaded the Soviet Union, but were simply a type of national socialists, practitioners of their own brand of “socialism in one country”, when the Nazi-Soviet Pact was in force. Tsarist repression was evil, feudal, reeks of Mongol barbarism, but class repression through the Gulag is necessary, temporary, logical, a sideshow on the road to the “radiant future”. Pilsudski was a bloodthirsty Polish reactionary who stood in the way of revolution in Europe, aiding revanchist forces in Germany to consolidate the hold on Germany, but the separate peace of Brest-Litovsk that spared Imperial Germany was only so that the infant revolution would not be strangled, etc, etc..The output of the Communist hacks just write themselves.

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    Do the forensic experiment and try to tell one of your closest keen that you will call some other people on killing them. See the results.

     

    Well, if I had a family member who had joined the Communist Party, and frequently ran into the street wearing a furry Russian hat with a red star on it while shouting "workers of the world unite!", and had stabbed several family members for "counterrevolutionary activity", and had chained me to a wall in the basement for 10 years, and was obtaining a stockpile of anti-tank missles from terrorists, I suspect, after I escaped and warned the police, he might feel the bonds of blood had been betrayed.
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  186. @Ivan
    Your friends were open to the truth. The Communist apologists are a whole other matter, since for them the "truth" is whatever furthers their agenda. The Nazis were an absolute evil when they invaded the Soviet Union, but were simply a type of national socialists, practitioners of their own brand of "socialism in one country", when the Nazi-Soviet Pact was in force. Tsarist repression was evil, feudal, reeks of Mongol barbarism, but class repression through the Gulag is necessary, temporary, logical, a sideshow on the road to the "radiant future". Pilsudski was a bloodthirsty Polish reactionary who stood in the way of revolution in Europe, aiding revanchist forces in Germany to consolidate the hold on Germany, but the separate peace of Brest-Litovsk that spared Imperial Germany was only so that the infant revolution would not be strangled, etc, etc..The output of the Communist hacks just write themselves.

    Do the forensic experiment and try to tell one of your closest keen that you will call some other people on killing them. See the results.

    Well, if I had a family member who had joined the Communist Party, and frequently ran into the street wearing a furry Russian hat with a red star on it while shouting “workers of the world unite!”, and had stabbed several family members for “counterrevolutionary activity”, and had chained me to a wall in the basement for 10 years, and was obtaining a stockpile of anti-tank missles from terrorists, I suspect, after I escaped and warned the police, he might feel the bonds of blood had been betrayed.

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  187. Parbes says:
    @Dmitry
    A talented artist - does not necessarily make a reliable scholar.

    As artist, sure he might be able to make universal and brilliant insights. A single play from Shakespeare tells more about human nature, than thousands of conformist scholars working in joke pseudo-sciences like 'evolutionary psychology' or 'sociology' have achieved with decades of work.

    But if you want objective or reliable summary of the data - artist is probably the worst personality type you can choose, whether with first-hand experience or not. The more like a robot the person working in such a field, the better for data collection and summarisation process.

    Evolutionary psychology and sociology are not “joke sciences”, you neocon reactionary shit-for-brains.

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  188. Mr. Brown says:
    @Alias Anonymous
    "Que sera sera".

    One of my favorite songs.
    Sung by Doris Day and was a hit in the 1950's.

    Italian in origin and translates to "whatever will be, will be".

    “Que sera sera” is Spanish. Neither French (like Shamir says nor Italian). In Italian would be “che sara sara”

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  189. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.
     
    You created here a straw man by using the pronoun everyone. If I disagree with somebody I may consider many causes of the disagreement including me being wrong. Each case is different. Attribution of ignorance and stupidity can dispose of many cases. But sometimes more complex explanations are necessary. For instance in your case my working hypothesis is that you are naive and misguided and in your young age were exposed to primitive reductionist ideas that are inherently toxic, I mean the American version of libertarianism and the Anglo-Saxon IQism. But you are still young and hopefully you will grow out of it and purge the toxins out of your system. But it will be difficult. When being in the grip of a reductionist belief system it is hard to see the world from without it. So there are no guarantee of salvation by maturation, experience and the old age as cases of John Derbyshire and Steve Sailer testify. Obviously I do not have a proof that Israel Shamir is some kind of agent of influence but his activism is very curious and make you wonder who benefits by his activism. Look at his advocacy of Palestinian causes. If you were a Palestinian would you like that a prominent advocate of your cause turned out to be (1) Stalin apologists and denier of communist crimes (2) deniers of Pol Pot crimes, (3) anti-semite? Would it occur to you that the PR of your cause is actually more harmed than helped by a person like this? Would you consider a possibility that behind Shamir’s placing himself on the side of the Palestinian’s cause is something more than just a strange mish-mash of idiosyncratic and iconoclastic and abhorrent views and his alleged love of just causes? Furthermore, what do we know about him? Norman Finkelstein said that Shamir "has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true". Shamir is a very unique person. His emigration form the USSR must have been very unique itself. In the decade 1960-1970 only 4000 people were allowed to emigrate from the USSR. In 1969 3,033 people got exit visas to Israel. One of them was 22 years old Shamir. The state of Israel wanted young people of military age and people with military experience to make aliyah. They did not want old and decrepit ones as the letter of 1958 by Golda Meir indicates:

    "A proposal was raised in the coordination committee to inform the Polish government that we want to institute selection in aliyah, because we cannot continue accepting sick and handicapped people. Please give your opinion as to whether this can be explained to the Poles without hurting immigration," read the document, written by Meir to Israel's ambassador to Poland, Katriel Katz.

     

    But USSR did not want to let the young and talented to leave. They had their own army and research institutes were young talented Jews could be utilized. Still Shamir got his exit visa. One among 3,033 in the 245 million country. Year earlier in 1968 only 231 Soviet Jews were granted exit visas. But this was the time after the Six-Day War of 1967. Various strings were being pulled. Against and for Israel. Even in the USSR which broke off the relationship with Israel and was officially pro Arab there were forces successfully pushing for aliyah. Already in the fall of 1967 in Poland a purge of Jews from military forces has began. While accusing Poland of anti-semitism on the one hand Israel was looking forward of getting military trained officers from Poland. Actually the accusation of anti-semitism often are the coverup for true benefits behind the so-called anti-semitism.

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.
     
    I do not know what do you mean by conspiracy but any form of cooperation (and any conspiracy is by definition a cooperation) requires a significant cognitive ability and special personality traits. Some paranoid schizophrenics to sustain their paranoia require a significant intelligence to weave the paranoid narrative. For some reason these schizophrenics do not band together and act in tandem to promote their mutual advantage. Or perhaps they do in some cases. Perhaps Judaism is a case of a successful psychosis that managed to remain intact for several thousands of years that provide a framework for cooperation and goals. While intelligence is a necessary condition the narrative is much more important. The intelligence that helps Jews to be successful may have nothing to do with the IQ score which in your conceptually impoverished world is supposed to explain everything. The psychosis of being chosen, of being the light onto nation and all other superlatives that are a part of Jewish narrative are more important than anything. For every Jew in the world there are many gentiles who have higher IQ then them but they operate on different software. Your IQ theories can't explain overrepresentation of Jews in many fields just like your theories can't explain overrepresentation of Sicilians in Italian mafia. One has to stipulate a non Gaussian distribution that has not been verified by anybody to account for Jewish overrepresentation. When you meet a Jew you do not look at the IQ tattooed on his forehead as you envision in Karlin's new brave world but you should think that you are just meeting a nod of a network that is constituted by invisible to you links. In some way you can look at Judaism as a narrative in which every Jews is a conspirator. There are many layers in this narrative. ... and so on.

    I’m sure you have considered the site? White male identitarianism (through IQ and oppression)+ Israel. Europe= rehash the battles of the past. The obvious battle at hand (globalism) and its instruments (new ideologies, networked multilateral system) or the locus of institutional resistance are …. missing. Immigration on point, but not tackled in a meaningful way.

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    White male identitarianism (through IQ and oppression)+ Israel. Europe= rehash the battles of the past.
     
    This is the dead end trap.
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  190. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Regular peace division is about 40 thousand personnel with standard structure.
    In a war condition regarding the previous losses, and difficulties of the task the size of the division increases from 50 to 80 thousand personnel, That was in second world war and it will be in third world war also,
    You have to know also that for every fighting soldier must be at least 3 service soldiers.
    So one peaceful division has only actually 10 thousand fighting man

    Regular peace division is about 40 thousand personnel with standard structure.

    Well, it is simply not true. Here is a short review.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_(military)

    However, in WWII this is roughly what it was:

    http://secondworldwar.co.uk/index.php/army-sizes-a-ranks/86-army-units-a-sizes

    Modern American division ranges anywhere from 10 to 16-17 000 (depending on the number and size of brigades), Russian one anywhere from 8000 (for paratroops) to 12 000.

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    We are talking about Russian division in the second world war.
    Please do not get mixed up.
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  191. @Andrei Martyanov

    Regular peace division is about 40 thousand personnel with standard structure.
     
    Well, it is simply not true. Here is a short review.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_(military)

    However, in WWII this is roughly what it was:

    http://secondworldwar.co.uk/index.php/army-sizes-a-ranks/86-army-units-a-sizes

    Modern American division ranges anywhere from 10 to 16-17 000 (depending on the number and size of brigades), Russian one anywhere from 8000 (for paratroops) to 12 000.

    We are talking about Russian division in the second world war.
    Please do not get mixed up.

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    We are talking about Russian division in the second world war. Please do not get mixed up.
     
    Average size of Red Army's division in WW II was around 10-11 000 personnel full strength. Often, because of high losses, nominal divisions could and often did number anywhere from 5, 000 to 8, 000.
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  192. AaronB says:
    @utu

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.
     
    You created here a straw man by using the pronoun everyone. If I disagree with somebody I may consider many causes of the disagreement including me being wrong. Each case is different. Attribution of ignorance and stupidity can dispose of many cases. But sometimes more complex explanations are necessary. For instance in your case my working hypothesis is that you are naive and misguided and in your young age were exposed to primitive reductionist ideas that are inherently toxic, I mean the American version of libertarianism and the Anglo-Saxon IQism. But you are still young and hopefully you will grow out of it and purge the toxins out of your system. But it will be difficult. When being in the grip of a reductionist belief system it is hard to see the world from without it. So there are no guarantee of salvation by maturation, experience and the old age as cases of John Derbyshire and Steve Sailer testify. Obviously I do not have a proof that Israel Shamir is some kind of agent of influence but his activism is very curious and make you wonder who benefits by his activism. Look at his advocacy of Palestinian causes. If you were a Palestinian would you like that a prominent advocate of your cause turned out to be (1) Stalin apologists and denier of communist crimes (2) deniers of Pol Pot crimes, (3) anti-semite? Would it occur to you that the PR of your cause is actually more harmed than helped by a person like this? Would you consider a possibility that behind Shamir’s placing himself on the side of the Palestinian’s cause is something more than just a strange mish-mash of idiosyncratic and iconoclastic and abhorrent views and his alleged love of just causes? Furthermore, what do we know about him? Norman Finkelstein said that Shamir "has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true". Shamir is a very unique person. His emigration form the USSR must have been very unique itself. In the decade 1960-1970 only 4000 people were allowed to emigrate from the USSR. In 1969 3,033 people got exit visas to Israel. One of them was 22 years old Shamir. The state of Israel wanted young people of military age and people with military experience to make aliyah. They did not want old and decrepit ones as the letter of 1958 by Golda Meir indicates:

    "A proposal was raised in the coordination committee to inform the Polish government that we want to institute selection in aliyah, because we cannot continue accepting sick and handicapped people. Please give your opinion as to whether this can be explained to the Poles without hurting immigration," read the document, written by Meir to Israel's ambassador to Poland, Katriel Katz.

     

    But USSR did not want to let the young and talented to leave. They had their own army and research institutes were young talented Jews could be utilized. Still Shamir got his exit visa. One among 3,033 in the 245 million country. Year earlier in 1968 only 231 Soviet Jews were granted exit visas. But this was the time after the Six-Day War of 1967. Various strings were being pulled. Against and for Israel. Even in the USSR which broke off the relationship with Israel and was officially pro Arab there were forces successfully pushing for aliyah. Already in the fall of 1967 in Poland a purge of Jews from military forces has began. While accusing Poland of anti-semitism on the one hand Israel was looking forward of getting military trained officers from Poland. Actually the accusation of anti-semitism often are the coverup for true benefits behind the so-called anti-semitism.

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.
     
    I do not know what do you mean by conspiracy but any form of cooperation (and any conspiracy is by definition a cooperation) requires a significant cognitive ability and special personality traits. Some paranoid schizophrenics to sustain their paranoia require a significant intelligence to weave the paranoid narrative. For some reason these schizophrenics do not band together and act in tandem to promote their mutual advantage. Or perhaps they do in some cases. Perhaps Judaism is a case of a successful psychosis that managed to remain intact for several thousands of years that provide a framework for cooperation and goals. While intelligence is a necessary condition the narrative is much more important. The intelligence that helps Jews to be successful may have nothing to do with the IQ score which in your conceptually impoverished world is supposed to explain everything. The psychosis of being chosen, of being the light onto nation and all other superlatives that are a part of Jewish narrative are more important than anything. For every Jew in the world there are many gentiles who have higher IQ then them but they operate on different software. Your IQ theories can't explain overrepresentation of Jews in many fields just like your theories can't explain overrepresentation of Sicilians in Italian mafia. One has to stipulate a non Gaussian distribution that has not been verified by anybody to account for Jewish overrepresentation. When you meet a Jew you do not look at the IQ tattooed on his forehead as you envision in Karlin's new brave world but you should think that you are just meeting a nod of a network that is constituted by invisible to you links. In some way you can look at Judaism as a narrative in which every Jews is a conspirator. There are many layers in this narrative. ... and so on.

    Outstanding comment.

    Great explanation of how Jews may operative without recourse to IQ.

    I am utterly baffled how anyone can still claim that IQ explains Jewish influence. It’s precisely those who believe in IQ who should be aware that the numbers don’t match.

    Yet it’s precisely those who believe most in IQ who can’t accept that. It’s so weird.

    Like Derbyshire, who wants to bet Karlin will in no way bring his position into line with logic and numeracy? He’ll just keep on saying the same old thing.

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    I am utterly baffled how anyone can still claim that IQ explains Jewish influence. It’s precisely those who believe in IQ who should be aware that the numbers don’t match.
     
    Sailer likes to bring up Lenin's who-whom dictum. It never occurs to him that the IQism that he promotes which in his mind has explanatory power is a part of the who-whom equation. He recognizes the Jewish power and influence but he has to accept it unconditionally because Jewish power and influence in the IQist world is biologically determined and thus can't be analyzed or opposed. It is deserved. It is god given. The god of evolution. There is no ethics or morality in biology. Jews are the smartest so they must rule. You can't blame them for it, right? This is the bottom line, though hidden to most IQist who are too busy celebrating the consolation prize that they are smarter than Africans. So, when Sailer gets exasperated about the Jewish negative role in the immigration issue all he can muster is a humble supplication that the fellow Jews change their ways and see the world also from the white goys point of view. He begs, he prays, he appeals to their common sense , decency and mercy. Why is he so stupid one would ask? Common sense, decency and mercy are not part of the IQ. Basically if you adopt the IQist Weltanschauung like Sailer, Karlin or Derbyshire you basically are in the bent over position in anticipation to be screwed. The best you can hope is that it won't hurt too much when the top IQ dog will hop on you. Very pathetic bunch.
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  193. You have a Russian name , and I do suppose that you are in Russia so it is easy for you to check it out.

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    You have a Russian name , and I do suppose that you are in Russia so it is easy for you to check it out.
     
    If your response is to me, yes--I am Russian, I am not in Russia, geography doesn't matter, there is a truck load of materials on this issues, such as this--gives excellent spread:

    https://tinyurl.com/yac4a4pm

    I needed to know those basic facts anyway, since it was a (small) part of my background--military professionals are taught military history in their academies.

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  194. Germans had 52 divisions on western front and they had 306 divisions on eastern front.
    Russians had 288divisions. So find the overall sizes of German and Russian armies. Take a calculator and divide the size of Army by number of divisions and you will get a correct number.

    I did promise that I will be nice to everybody on this site but you are really trying my patience.

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    Germans had 52 divisions on western front
     
    And?

    I did promise that I will be nice to everybody on this site but you are really trying my patience.
     
    You don't have to be nice to me, after all we are discussing facts.
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  195. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    We are talking about Russian division in the second world war.
    Please do not get mixed up.

    We are talking about Russian division in the second world war. Please do not get mixed up.

    Average size of Red Army’s division in WW II was around 10-11 000 personnel full strength. Often, because of high losses, nominal divisions could and often did number anywhere from 5, 000 to 8, 000.

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    Average size of Red Army’s division in WW II was around 10-11 000 personnel full strength. Often, because of high losses, nominal divisions could and often did number anywhere from 5, 000 to 8, 000.
     
    Well, back in my high school days I had a great deal of interest in military history, including that of WWII. And unless my memory is failing me, these are exactly the sort of figures I always saw for Soviet divisions in that war. Frankly, the numbers that "Ilyana" is claiming would be far, far larger than even a Soviet corps in that period.

    The Internet is a place where all sorts of people can spout all sorts of factual claims despite their total lack of knowledge in the subject in question...
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  196. @utu

    1. Why does everyone who disagrees with you need a handler? This just leads into a dismal spiral of conspiracy theorizing.
     
    You created here a straw man by using the pronoun everyone. If I disagree with somebody I may consider many causes of the disagreement including me being wrong. Each case is different. Attribution of ignorance and stupidity can dispose of many cases. But sometimes more complex explanations are necessary. For instance in your case my working hypothesis is that you are naive and misguided and in your young age were exposed to primitive reductionist ideas that are inherently toxic, I mean the American version of libertarianism and the Anglo-Saxon IQism. But you are still young and hopefully you will grow out of it and purge the toxins out of your system. But it will be difficult. When being in the grip of a reductionist belief system it is hard to see the world from without it. So there are no guarantee of salvation by maturation, experience and the old age as cases of John Derbyshire and Steve Sailer testify. Obviously I do not have a proof that Israel Shamir is some kind of agent of influence but his activism is very curious and make you wonder who benefits by his activism. Look at his advocacy of Palestinian causes. If you were a Palestinian would you like that a prominent advocate of your cause turned out to be (1) Stalin apologists and denier of communist crimes (2) deniers of Pol Pot crimes, (3) anti-semite? Would it occur to you that the PR of your cause is actually more harmed than helped by a person like this? Would you consider a possibility that behind Shamir’s placing himself on the side of the Palestinian’s cause is something more than just a strange mish-mash of idiosyncratic and iconoclastic and abhorrent views and his alleged love of just causes? Furthermore, what do we know about him? Norman Finkelstein said that Shamir "has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true". Shamir is a very unique person. His emigration form the USSR must have been very unique itself. In the decade 1960-1970 only 4000 people were allowed to emigrate from the USSR. In 1969 3,033 people got exit visas to Israel. One of them was 22 years old Shamir. The state of Israel wanted young people of military age and people with military experience to make aliyah. They did not want old and decrepit ones as the letter of 1958 by Golda Meir indicates:

    "A proposal was raised in the coordination committee to inform the Polish government that we want to institute selection in aliyah, because we cannot continue accepting sick and handicapped people. Please give your opinion as to whether this can be explained to the Poles without hurting immigration," read the document, written by Meir to Israel's ambassador to Poland, Katriel Katz.

     

    But USSR did not want to let the young and talented to leave. They had their own army and research institutes were young talented Jews could be utilized. Still Shamir got his exit visa. One among 3,033 in the 245 million country. Year earlier in 1968 only 231 Soviet Jews were granted exit visas. But this was the time after the Six-Day War of 1967. Various strings were being pulled. Against and for Israel. Even in the USSR which broke off the relationship with Israel and was officially pro Arab there were forces successfully pushing for aliyah. Already in the fall of 1967 in Poland a purge of Jews from military forces has began. While accusing Poland of anti-semitism on the one hand Israel was looking forward of getting military trained officers from Poland. Actually the accusation of anti-semitism often are the coverup for true benefits behind the so-called anti-semitism.

    3. As someone who rejects IQ as a means of explaining life (yes, I know, so do you), the only way for an honest Leftist to explain Jewish influence is to posit Jewish conspiracies*. And Israel must be commended for that (the honesty, that is).

    * Which is not to say that Jewish conspiracies don’t exist. However, it is implausible to think that they could be so successful without their very high verbal IQ.
     
    I do not know what do you mean by conspiracy but any form of cooperation (and any conspiracy is by definition a cooperation) requires a significant cognitive ability and special personality traits. Some paranoid schizophrenics to sustain their paranoia require a significant intelligence to weave the paranoid narrative. For some reason these schizophrenics do not band together and act in tandem to promote their mutual advantage. Or perhaps they do in some cases. Perhaps Judaism is a case of a successful psychosis that managed to remain intact for several thousands of years that provide a framework for cooperation and goals. While intelligence is a necessary condition the narrative is much more important. The intelligence that helps Jews to be successful may have nothing to do with the IQ score which in your conceptually impoverished world is supposed to explain everything. The psychosis of being chosen, of being the light onto nation and all other superlatives that are a part of Jewish narrative are more important than anything. For every Jew in the world there are many gentiles who have higher IQ then them but they operate on different software. Your IQ theories can't explain overrepresentation of Jews in many fields just like your theories can't explain overrepresentation of Sicilians in Italian mafia. One has to stipulate a non Gaussian distribution that has not been verified by anybody to account for Jewish overrepresentation. When you meet a Jew you do not look at the IQ tattooed on his forehead as you envision in Karlin's new brave world but you should think that you are just meeting a nod of a network that is constituted by invisible to you links. In some way you can look at Judaism as a narrative in which every Jews is a conspirator. There are many layers in this narrative. ... and so on.

    But USSR did not want to let the young and talented to leave. They had their own army and research institutes were young talented Jews could be utilized.

    Ahem, you would have been greatly surprised by a rather manifest scarcity of Jews in any serious Soviet military research institute in 1960s-80s. Not zero but, certainly, very few. They also were present to a degree in the Armed Forces as officers–again, very small percentage. Obviously some were of great prominence such as Gurevich (G in MiG). In other words, there was no particular “need” in “young and talented Jews” in the Soviet Armed Forces.

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  197. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Germans had 52 divisions on western front and they had 306 divisions on eastern front.
    Russians had 288divisions. So find the overall sizes of German and Russian armies. Take a calculator and divide the size of Army by number of divisions and you will get a correct number.

    I did promise that I will be nice to everybody on this site but you are really trying my patience.

    Germans had 52 divisions on western front

    And?

    I did promise that I will be nice to everybody on this site but you are really trying my patience.

    You don’t have to be nice to me, after all we are discussing facts.

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  198. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You have a Russian name , and I do suppose that you are in Russia so it is easy for you to check it out.

    You have a Russian name , and I do suppose that you are in Russia so it is easy for you to check it out.

    If your response is to me, yes–I am Russian, I am not in Russia, geography doesn’t matter, there is a truck load of materials on this issues, such as this–gives excellent spread:

    https://tinyurl.com/yac4a4pm

    I needed to know those basic facts anyway, since it was a (small) part of my background–military professionals are taught military history in their academies.

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  199. What was the peak strength of the Soviet forces at WW2 …
    http://www.armchairgeneral.com › … › RKKA (The Russian Army) in World War II
    May 3, 2013 – It is said some 29.5 million men were mobilized during the war with an additional 5 million which the Soviets started the war with. So, how many soldiers were in the Soviet forces at its peak ? and what was every branch consisted of ?

    Get yourself a calculator and divide 35 million by 288. You will get the size of the divisions in Russian army.

    Is this enough for you?

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  200. Get yourself a calculator and divide 35 million by 288. You will get the size of the divisions in Russian army.

    OK, I surrender–I know nothing about TOE of Soviet/Russian Armed Forces;-)

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    O.K. Because you are starting to be nice I am going to teach you something.

    Your quote:

    Modern American division ranges anywhere from 10 to 16-17 000 (depending on the number and size of brigades), Russian one anywhere from 8000 (for paratroops) to 12 000.

    There is no such thing in military as paratroopers division. (Because you nice I will not use faulty language.)

    Paratroopers are specialized units and they usually stop at battalions rarely at brigades.

    Divisions are totally different ball of wax.

    Division is independent self sufficient multitasking ground force fighting unit.

    Division usually consist of foot soldiers: battalions or brigades.
    Tank battalions.
    Heavy artillery battalions.
    Heavy armored battalions.
    Antiaircraft units
    Mine and mine disposing units
    Food and nutrition handling units.
    Munition distributing units
    Transport units
    Machine shop.
    Divisions have their own field hospital.
    Divisions have also a all armor repair units.
    And probably a number of other specialized units

    Army's General command usually shifts the different units from one division to other according to military planning of attack or retreat

    I hope that you have learned the difference.
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  201. Ron Unz says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    We are talking about Russian division in the second world war. Please do not get mixed up.
     
    Average size of Red Army's division in WW II was around 10-11 000 personnel full strength. Often, because of high losses, nominal divisions could and often did number anywhere from 5, 000 to 8, 000.

    Average size of Red Army’s division in WW II was around 10-11 000 personnel full strength. Often, because of high losses, nominal divisions could and often did number anywhere from 5, 000 to 8, 000.

    Well, back in my high school days I had a great deal of interest in military history, including that of WWII. And unless my memory is failing me, these are exactly the sort of figures I always saw for Soviet divisions in that war. Frankly, the numbers that “Ilyana” is claiming would be far, far larger than even a Soviet corps in that period.

    The Internet is a place where all sorts of people can spout all sorts of factual claims despite their total lack of knowledge in the subject in question…

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    {And unless my memory is failing me, these are exactly the sort of figures I always saw for Soviet divisions in that war.}

    US Army Colonel, military historian, and author David M. Glantz is a recognized authority on WW2 Red Army. I don't have his books handy at the moment to quote from the page, but this excerpt from a review of one of his books also confirms the figure of 12,000 men for a wartime Red Army division.

    [For instance, trying to expand army divisions from their normal peacetime complement of 6,000 men to their full complement of 12,000 meant, in Glantz's analysis, that unit cohesion troughed right at the time of the German attack. With perfect hindsight, preexisting divisions might have done better in June 1941 at their peacetime levels without having to integrate reinforcements, though the author does not assert this.]*
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    http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=4669

    , @Andrei Martyanov
    Exactly. Although truth to be told, Sir Winston, for obvious ideological reasons went completely the other way when claimed (wrongly) that Red Army's divisions for the most part had... 2,500 personnel by the end of the war.

    Frankly, the numbers that “Ilyana” is claiming would be far, far larger than even a Soviet corps in that period.
     
    Exactly. Some Red Army's field armies, usually reserve but not always, could number in 65-80 000 range. Corps would, indeed, number anywhere from 25-30 000 to 45-50 the most.
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  202. Avery says:
    @Ron Unz

    Average size of Red Army’s division in WW II was around 10-11 000 personnel full strength. Often, because of high losses, nominal divisions could and often did number anywhere from 5, 000 to 8, 000.
     
    Well, back in my high school days I had a great deal of interest in military history, including that of WWII. And unless my memory is failing me, these are exactly the sort of figures I always saw for Soviet divisions in that war. Frankly, the numbers that "Ilyana" is claiming would be far, far larger than even a Soviet corps in that period.

    The Internet is a place where all sorts of people can spout all sorts of factual claims despite their total lack of knowledge in the subject in question...

    {And unless my memory is failing me, these are exactly the sort of figures I always saw for Soviet divisions in that war.}

    US Army Colonel, military historian, and author David M. Glantz is a recognized authority on WW2 Red Army. I don’t have his books handy at the moment to quote from the page, but this excerpt from a review of one of his books also confirms the figure of 12,000 men for a wartime Red Army division.

    [For instance, trying to expand army divisions from their normal peacetime complement of 6,000 men to their full complement of 12,000 meant, in Glantz's analysis, that unit cohesion troughed right at the time of the German attack. With perfect hindsight, preexisting divisions might have done better in June 1941 at their peacetime levels without having to integrate reinforcements, though the author does not assert this.]*
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    http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=4669

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  203. @Ron Unz

    Average size of Red Army’s division in WW II was around 10-11 000 personnel full strength. Often, because of high losses, nominal divisions could and often did number anywhere from 5, 000 to 8, 000.
     
    Well, back in my high school days I had a great deal of interest in military history, including that of WWII. And unless my memory is failing me, these are exactly the sort of figures I always saw for Soviet divisions in that war. Frankly, the numbers that "Ilyana" is claiming would be far, far larger than even a Soviet corps in that period.

    The Internet is a place where all sorts of people can spout all sorts of factual claims despite their total lack of knowledge in the subject in question...

    Exactly. Although truth to be told, Sir Winston, for obvious ideological reasons went completely the other way when claimed (wrongly) that Red Army’s divisions for the most part had… 2,500 personnel by the end of the war.

    Frankly, the numbers that “Ilyana” is claiming would be far, far larger than even a Soviet corps in that period.

    Exactly. Some Red Army’s field armies, usually reserve but not always, could number in 65-80 000 range. Corps would, indeed, number anywhere from 25-30 000 to 45-50 the most.

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  204. Kiza says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    All I have read from Solzhenitsyn was Cancer ward. Was not worth much.
    Never interested in Solzhenitsyn anymore.
    If you want to understand Russians read Sholokhow "Quiet Don" You will find it in practically any library.

    Quiet Don, that is an excellent recommendation and I read it as part of the secondary school curriculum.

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  205. @Andrei Martyanov

    Get yourself a calculator and divide 35 million by 288. You will get the size of the divisions in Russian army.
     
    OK, I surrender--I know nothing about TOE of Soviet/Russian Armed Forces;-)

    O.K. Because you are starting to be nice I am going to teach you something.

    Your quote:

    Modern American division ranges anywhere from 10 to 16-17 000 (depending on the number and size of brigades), Russian one anywhere from 8000 (for paratroops) to 12 000.

    [MORE]

    There is no such thing in military as paratroopers division. (Because you nice I will not use faulty language.)

    Paratroopers are specialized units and they usually stop at battalions rarely at brigades.

    Divisions are totally different ball of wax.

    Division is independent self sufficient multitasking ground force fighting unit.

    Division usually consist of foot soldiers: battalions or brigades.
    Tank battalions.
    Heavy artillery battalions.
    Heavy armored battalions.
    Antiaircraft units
    Mine and mine disposing units
    Food and nutrition handling units.
    Munition distributing units
    Transport units
    Machine shop.
    Divisions have their own field hospital.
    Divisions have also a all armor repair units.
    And probably a number of other specialized units

    Army’s General command usually shifts the different units from one division to other according to military planning of attack or retreat

    I hope that you have learned the difference.

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  206. @Andrei Martyanov

    Germans had 52 divisions on western front
     
    And?

    I did promise that I will be nice to everybody on this site but you are really trying my patience.
     
    You don't have to be nice to me, after all we are discussing facts.

    :)

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  207. Why did I bother to write this article? Judging by your responses, my venerable readers, I could as well write “Screw Solzh” and sign “A Jew”. It would save a lot of time and bother.

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    I barely noticed him. Enjoyed the article. This one was the best one by you in my opinion and the topic is very relevant and important. But I guess the lesson is not to mention Solzhenitsyn to avoid distractions.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Judging by your responses, my venerable readers, I could as well write “Screw Solzh” and sign “A Jew”
     
    Because for very many here it is the scope of their "knowledge" of Russia. I apologize if I, completely unintentionally, facilitated this "discussion".
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  208. utu says:
    @AaronB
    Outstanding comment.

    Great explanation of how Jews may operative without recourse to IQ.

    I am utterly baffled how anyone can still claim that IQ explains Jewish influence. It's precisely those who believe in IQ who should be aware that the numbers don't match.

    Yet it's precisely those who believe most in IQ who can't accept that. It's so weird.

    Like Derbyshire, who wants to bet Karlin will in no way bring his position into line with logic and numeracy? He'll just keep on saying the same old thing.

    I am utterly baffled how anyone can still claim that IQ explains Jewish influence. It’s precisely those who believe in IQ who should be aware that the numbers don’t match.

    Sailer likes to bring up Lenin’s who-whom dictum. It never occurs to him that the IQism that he promotes which in his mind has explanatory power is a part of the who-whom equation. He recognizes the Jewish power and influence but he has to accept it unconditionally because Jewish power and influence in the IQist world is biologically determined and thus can’t be analyzed or opposed. It is deserved. It is god given. The god of evolution. There is no ethics or morality in biology. Jews are the smartest so they must rule. You can’t blame them for it, right? This is the bottom line, though hidden to most IQist who are too busy celebrating the consolation prize that they are smarter than Africans. So, when Sailer gets exasperated about the Jewish negative role in the immigration issue all he can muster is a humble supplication that the fellow Jews change their ways and see the world also from the white goys point of view. He begs, he prays, he appeals to their common sense , decency and mercy. Why is he so stupid one would ask? Common sense, decency and mercy are not part of the IQ. Basically if you adopt the IQist Weltanschauung like Sailer, Karlin or Derbyshire you basically are in the bent over position in anticipation to be screwed. The best you can hope is that it won’t hurt too much when the top IQ dog will hop on you. Very pathetic bunch.

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    Hey utu,

    You made some excellent points in talking about the cognitive dissonance involved in taking the IQ-solves-everything approach to the world.

    Peace.
    , @DH13
    Spot on. IQism is self defeating.
    , @Yevardian
    Excellent comment, goes straight to the core on why the 'alt-right' and 'neoreactionaries' are in reality cut from exactly the same cloth as that of the Power-Worshiping radicals on the left or the Neoliberal banker scum that privately abet them.
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  209. utu says:
    @Anon
    I'm sure you have considered the site? White male identitarianism (through IQ and oppression)+ Israel. Europe= rehash the battles of the past. The obvious battle at hand (globalism) and its instruments (new ideologies, networked multilateral system) or the locus of institutional resistance are .... missing. Immigration on point, but not tackled in a meaningful way.

    White male identitarianism (through IQ and oppression)+ Israel. Europe= rehash the battles of the past.

    This is the dead end trap.

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  210. @Israel Shamir
    Why did I bother to write this article? Judging by your responses, my venerable readers, I could as well write "Screw Solzh" and sign "A Jew". It would save a lot of time and bother.

    I barely noticed him. Enjoyed the article. This one was the best one by you in my opinion and the topic is very relevant and important. But I guess the lesson is not to mention Solzhenitsyn to avoid distractions.

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  211. The topmost schools of Russia, the most endowed, the most privileged schools for the children of the new nobility are the HSE, (the Higher School of Economics, a clone of the LSE

    LSE or the London School of Economics is really a center for recruiting British Intelligence agents.

    The HSE doesn’t seem any different.

    Notice how the oligarchs of the British Empire never come up in any of the world incidents and events – it’s always their puppets: the US, Israel, KSA, etc.

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    LSE or the London School of Economics is really a center for recruiting British Intelligence agents.
    The HSE doesn’t seem any different.
     
    Hence a bottom-feeding level of current so called Intelligence Community in both UK and US. HSE--is a collection of incompetents some doing it out of malice, others out of sheer stupidity. I mean, the level is appalling, which, in the same time, explains quite well why so called Siloviki effectively won the fight. Imagine amateurs squaring against robust professionals in the MMA ring. In general, most of it is a cloaca for remnants of 1990s "economists" and their "ideas". In terms of recruiting of HUMINT--HSE is the last place any serious intelligence service wants to go, for SIGINT--well... let's put it this way all massively impressive Russia's C4ISR complex was created both in terms of hardware and soft by people who are NOT HSE "material". So, if we are talking of Russia's IC--VSE is not even in the top 100 for recruiting, it is (HSE), however, is a very attractive target for Western IC for obvious reasons.
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  212. yurivku says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    1. Actually I was born “then” (in 1988) and had to take an extended sojourn to the West c.1994-2016 because it turned out the sovok cattle loved MacDonald’s more than their own shithole country.
     
    LOL! I love the masks being dropped. Anatoly, you are not Russian--you are a typical SF West Coast American hipster, a product of a pathetic American humanities educational field, who would use any ideological "cover" (today it is so called "nationalism" of likes of this moron Prosvirnin, tomorrow it will be Navalny, after tomorrow it will be whoever is hip) just to realize own hipster aspirations.

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008. I await a list of your predictive accomplishments wrt Russia.
     
    Spare me this BS. Unlike for most people here Russian language is my native language and discussions on Russia's demographic situation and that it was not as bad were ongoing publicly for decades now, eventually flowing into the internet in 1990s. FYI, my daughter is significantly older than you are. Why don't you take credit for the sunset and sunrise? But you are correct--you are a pundit, a classic embodiment of an American talking and writing heads class--badly educated with no experiences or serious skills, who write all kinds of BS, which never comes true. Well, you are effectively a modified version of Julia Ioffe with a slight angular shift in the polar system of coordinates. Basically, you are a part of the problem, which brought this world to the brink of a major war thanks to the US "elites" complete failure to learn what they are dealing with in Russia. In fact, you would find a perfect employment as Russia "expert" in Stated Department or CIA. This is the kind of "expertise" they were using for decades now. That is why this country is in toilet now.

    Agree, agree, agree

    In fact, you would find a perfect employment as Russia “expert” in Stated Department or CIA. This is the kind of “expertise” they were using for decades now. That is why this country is in toilet now.

    Good representative of our “liberal” circles. But to Anatoly’s profit I should agree that despite his negative and slighting attention to our country and it’s destiny – He’s not that full of hate to it like Ioffe-s like reporters.
    He just likes being on top of our medium class not thinking much about those who are in the bottom. They saying – you should have worked harder …

    But now it’s a time when nobody could stay in between, now everybody should select his side.
    We’ll see soon who actually Anatoly is.

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  213. yurivku says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90's from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.

    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90′s from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.

    Yes, He could. No, He would not. Not him. There were enough time for him to start recovering not only military side of a country. But he’s prepared some base to continue, He at least saved country and people from a full disaster, now it’s a time for somebody else.

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    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US
    , @Sergey Krieger
    Yes, I agree with you. He might be transitional figure. Let's see. The thing that is not clear to me what is the destination he is taking Russia if any?
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  214. yurivku says:

    Great! Got an enjoing reading.

    As for predictions of the future we (as anybody) have no doubt in Putin’s victory on elections. But # of votes for Grudinin can clear balance of forces a little. Quite a some of people ready to vote for him, and MM began durty games on TV and internet resorces.

    Most people do support Putin in foreign affairs (especially on Crimea case, but there are some claims to him to be too weak eg in sports etc) , but there are a lot of questions in local ones: corruption, liberals (Old Money) in power, economy, social problems (health and education science included), salaries and pensions.

    He gives contradictory signals in corruption fight (Ulukaev ..) while covering persons like atty Chaika and seems to be at the same time in war with some oligarchs while supporting others.
    So what Putin is preparing to Russia is not clear to me. Seems there are variants – it’s gonna be last time for him and he should safe his future and its certainly not going to in the West.
    So there are reasons to improve something here. We’ll see.

    But this times when West (US) silly provoking Russia on full range of subjects, local things could go to shadow.

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  215. @Hiram of Tyre

    The topmost schools of Russia, the most endowed, the most privileged schools for the children of the new nobility are the HSE, (the Higher School of Economics, a clone of the LSE
     
    LSE or the London School of Economics is really a center for recruiting British Intelligence agents.

    The HSE doesn’t seem any different.

    Notice how the oligarchs of the British Empire never come up in any of the world incidents and events - it’s always their puppets: the US, Israel, KSA, etc.

    LSE or the London School of Economics is really a center for recruiting British Intelligence agents.
    The HSE doesn’t seem any different.

    Hence a bottom-feeding level of current so called Intelligence Community in both UK and US. HSE–is a collection of incompetents some doing it out of malice, others out of sheer stupidity. I mean, the level is appalling, which, in the same time, explains quite well why so called Siloviki effectively won the fight. Imagine amateurs squaring against robust professionals in the MMA ring. In general, most of it is a cloaca for remnants of 1990s “economists” and their “ideas”. In terms of recruiting of HUMINT–HSE is the last place any serious intelligence service wants to go, for SIGINT–well… let’s put it this way all massively impressive Russia’s C4ISR complex was created both in terms of hardware and soft by people who are NOT HSE “material”. So, if we are talking of Russia’s IC–VSE is not even in the top 100 for recruiting, it is (HSE), however, is a very attractive target for Western IC for obvious reasons.

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    Thank you for your comment.

    I would argue that one could be recruited by an inteligence service without necessarily being intelligent. Being (or being trained to become) a trouble maker, mouth piece, propagandist, etc are other “attributes” worthy to those who seek to see another collapse of Russia.

    On the subject, an interesting article is posted in Russia Insider: “Descendants of Top Soviet Leaders Are Often Freaks - Why?”
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  216. @Israel Shamir
    Why did I bother to write this article? Judging by your responses, my venerable readers, I could as well write "Screw Solzh" and sign "A Jew". It would save a lot of time and bother.

    Judging by your responses, my venerable readers, I could as well write “Screw Solzh” and sign “A Jew”

    Because for very many here it is the scope of their “knowledge” of Russia. I apologize if I, completely unintentionally, facilitated this “discussion”.

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    You rather provoked it.
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  217. @yurivku

    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90′s from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.
     
    Yes, He could. No, He would not. Not him. There were enough time for him to start recovering not only military side of a country. But he's prepared some base to continue, He at least saved country and people from a full disaster, now it's a time for somebody else.

    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US

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    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US
     
    No, I don't think so. The only to allies of Russia are its army and navy (c) Alexander III.
    China may help, but may not.
    And we need no protection. Whole world needs a prjtection from US
    , @Miro23

    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US.
     
    "But in the end" is talking about trends and tendencies.

    The trend I can see happening now, is Russians travelling and investing in Western Europe with growing positive interactions between Russians and Western Europeans at a various levels. It's clear that Russians identify with Europe (not China) socially, and they have something positive to offer the West, with a more traditionalist (rather than PC) outlook.

    What is happening is a de-facto integration of Russia with Europe as a large but equal partner - and I think that the Russians would be happy with that. Many barriers have been artificially created by the United States (for example, German industries don't want US imposed trade sanctions on Russia), and although there's certainly a residual historic fear of Russia, this is more connected with memories of the Soviet Union, and Communism, rather than Russia in its present form.

    We don't yet have a New Europe that stretches from Ireland to Siberia, but it's more imaginable than anything Russian-Chinese or Russian-American. And conversely, in economic and social terms, the United States seems to have reached the end of the line, and would be heading for irrelevance, if it weren't for its military power - and that can't be debt funded forever.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    Chinese military track record and military history doe snot suggest that China can protect anyone. They are happy they can protect themselves at the moment. Historically China possess glass jaw in military terms and nothing awe inspiring for the country of this size of population and culture. Chinese are merchants, not fighters.
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  218. yurivku says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US

    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US

    No, I don’t think so. The only to allies of Russia are its army and navy (c) Alexander III.
    China may help, but may not.
    And we need no protection. Whole world needs a prjtection from US

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  219. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Indeed not, since you have shown yourself to be quite ill-informed about Russian demographics.
     
    You mean by pointing out that Maternal Capital preceded your self-vaunted "predictions" by a number of years? Sure.

    Слив засчитан.
     
    Absolutely,do not forget to tell this also to your kindergarten teacher.

    You forgot to mention knowledge of Fourier transforms and aircraft stresses as a vital prerequisite of understanding a simple video.
     
    Yes, to understand nuclearism and strategies derived from it one has to have a very extensive academic background and practical experience--things precisely Solzhenitsyn never had but, same as Richard Pipes, whose background in military affairs is limited to having a drink with couple of generals, never hesitated to spread around an utterly amateur BS, such as your mental exploits of war and warfare, of which you do not have a clue. Sadly, this didn't prevent you from offering your opinion on that. You just have to accept reality and limit yourself on writing things on matters of IQ (in a narrow sense) and pretend that you know demographics. You should avoid writing anything on Russian history, because you will be called out on every BS point you are spreading. Such as this:

    I was probably the only pundit to accurately predict Russia’s demographic recovery – back in 2008
     
    Again, you were not and the timeline of Maternity Capital and national discussion on its merit were happening while you were an actual teenager. So your false claim is a typical pathetic attempt on some kind of validation. No worry, everyone goes through this age--it is just not everybody ends up being an honest observer. If you want, however, discuss how Nuclear Posture Reviews are written in US or how in general nuclear policies are formulated--be my guest, I will gladly educate you, when having time, on some of those issues. I don't think you will understand them, but hey, no harm in trying;-)

    You need a background in mathematics and engineering that Solzhenitsyn never had, in order to understand Solzhenitsyn’s language on a simple topic, to the vast majority of listeners at any rate.

    My background is only in logic among other things, but this seems strange to me.

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  220. Talha says:
    @utu

    I am utterly baffled how anyone can still claim that IQ explains Jewish influence. It’s precisely those who believe in IQ who should be aware that the numbers don’t match.
     
    Sailer likes to bring up Lenin's who-whom dictum. It never occurs to him that the IQism that he promotes which in his mind has explanatory power is a part of the who-whom equation. He recognizes the Jewish power and influence but he has to accept it unconditionally because Jewish power and influence in the IQist world is biologically determined and thus can't be analyzed or opposed. It is deserved. It is god given. The god of evolution. There is no ethics or morality in biology. Jews are the smartest so they must rule. You can't blame them for it, right? This is the bottom line, though hidden to most IQist who are too busy celebrating the consolation prize that they are smarter than Africans. So, when Sailer gets exasperated about the Jewish negative role in the immigration issue all he can muster is a humble supplication that the fellow Jews change their ways and see the world also from the white goys point of view. He begs, he prays, he appeals to their common sense , decency and mercy. Why is he so stupid one would ask? Common sense, decency and mercy are not part of the IQ. Basically if you adopt the IQist Weltanschauung like Sailer, Karlin or Derbyshire you basically are in the bent over position in anticipation to be screwed. The best you can hope is that it won't hurt too much when the top IQ dog will hop on you. Very pathetic bunch.

    Hey utu,

    You made some excellent points in talking about the cognitive dissonance involved in taking the IQ-solves-everything approach to the world.

    Peace.

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  221. @Andrei Martyanov

    LSE or the London School of Economics is really a center for recruiting British Intelligence agents.
    The HSE doesn’t seem any different.
     
    Hence a bottom-feeding level of current so called Intelligence Community in both UK and US. HSE--is a collection of incompetents some doing it out of malice, others out of sheer stupidity. I mean, the level is appalling, which, in the same time, explains quite well why so called Siloviki effectively won the fight. Imagine amateurs squaring against robust professionals in the MMA ring. In general, most of it is a cloaca for remnants of 1990s "economists" and their "ideas". In terms of recruiting of HUMINT--HSE is the last place any serious intelligence service wants to go, for SIGINT--well... let's put it this way all massively impressive Russia's C4ISR complex was created both in terms of hardware and soft by people who are NOT HSE "material". So, if we are talking of Russia's IC--VSE is not even in the top 100 for recruiting, it is (HSE), however, is a very attractive target for Western IC for obvious reasons.

    Thank you for your comment.

    I would argue that one could be recruited by an inteligence service without necessarily being intelligent. Being (or being trained to become) a trouble maker, mouth piece, propagandist, etc are other “attributes” worthy to those who seek to see another collapse of Russia.

    On the subject, an interesting article is posted in Russia Insider: “Descendants of Top Soviet Leaders Are Often Freaks – Why?”

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    I would argue that one could be recruited by an inteligence service without necessarily being intelligent.
     
    Generally not into the serious operational professional field--it requires serious professional training. Some "assets"? Sure, just to give you an example: creative fields, such as literature, is infested with all kinds of "agents". Mind you, many of those people think themselves very intelligent. Or, as an example, Russian liberals, some of whom are openly in the pockets of many Western "handlers"--they think themselves very intelligent, despite most of them being badly educated hacks with no real applicable skills in life. And so on.

    On the subject, an interesting article is posted in Russia Insider: “Descendants of Top Soviet Leaders Are Often Freaks – Why?”
     
    LOL. Karlin's article, sure.
    , @Philip Owen
    Why? There was a picture of Stalin's grand daughter available for clickbait.
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  222. @Hiram of Tyre
    Thank you for your comment.

    I would argue that one could be recruited by an inteligence service without necessarily being intelligent. Being (or being trained to become) a trouble maker, mouth piece, propagandist, etc are other “attributes” worthy to those who seek to see another collapse of Russia.

    On the subject, an interesting article is posted in Russia Insider: “Descendants of Top Soviet Leaders Are Often Freaks - Why?”

    I would argue that one could be recruited by an inteligence service without necessarily being intelligent.

    Generally not into the serious operational professional field–it requires serious professional training. Some “assets”? Sure, just to give you an example: creative fields, such as literature, is infested with all kinds of “agents”. Mind you, many of those people think themselves very intelligent. Or, as an example, Russian liberals, some of whom are openly in the pockets of many Western “handlers”–they think themselves very intelligent, despite most of them being badly educated hacks with no real applicable skills in life. And so on.

    On the subject, an interesting article is posted in Russia Insider: “Descendants of Top Soviet Leaders Are Often Freaks – Why?”

    LOL. Karlin’s article, sure.

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    Regardless if one is an active professional field agent or an idiot who thinks to be intelligent (like those in literature), an agent remains an agent.

    I can related to your sentiment about Karlin’s article but truth remains that the descendants of previous agents (Trotsky et al.) aren’t that much different today. They behave in the same way that hurts Russia.
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  223. @Andrei Martyanov

    I would argue that one could be recruited by an inteligence service without necessarily being intelligent.
     
    Generally not into the serious operational professional field--it requires serious professional training. Some "assets"? Sure, just to give you an example: creative fields, such as literature, is infested with all kinds of "agents". Mind you, many of those people think themselves very intelligent. Or, as an example, Russian liberals, some of whom are openly in the pockets of many Western "handlers"--they think themselves very intelligent, despite most of them being badly educated hacks with no real applicable skills in life. And so on.

    On the subject, an interesting article is posted in Russia Insider: “Descendants of Top Soviet Leaders Are Often Freaks – Why?”
     
    LOL. Karlin's article, sure.

    Regardless if one is an active professional field agent or an idiot who thinks to be intelligent (like those in literature), an agent remains an agent.

    I can related to your sentiment about Karlin’s article but truth remains that the descendants of previous agents (Trotsky et al.) aren’t that much different today. They behave in the same way that hurts Russia.

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  224. @Hiram of Tyre
    Thank you for your comment.

    I would argue that one could be recruited by an inteligence service without necessarily being intelligent. Being (or being trained to become) a trouble maker, mouth piece, propagandist, etc are other “attributes” worthy to those who seek to see another collapse of Russia.

    On the subject, an interesting article is posted in Russia Insider: “Descendants of Top Soviet Leaders Are Often Freaks - Why?”

    Why? There was a picture of Stalin’s grand daughter available for clickbait.

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  225. utu says:

    The “Kremlin List” was published. Who could analyze it in terms of old/new money?

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    What about this angle:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-30/the-u-s-list-of-russian-oligarchs-is-a-disgrace
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  226. Seraphim says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Judging by your responses, my venerable readers, I could as well write “Screw Solzh” and sign “A Jew”
     
    Because for very many here it is the scope of their "knowledge" of Russia. I apologize if I, completely unintentionally, facilitated this "discussion".

    You rather provoked it.

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  227. @Andrei Martyanov

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense,
     
    He also missed completely 20+ years of the Soviet Union in the times when there was no internet and even phone call from Vermont to Mosco0w was problematic--hence epistolary and "rumors". So, he comes back in 1990s to a country and nation of which he simply has no clue about (not that he had it to start with) while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR). I remember reading that in Izvestia and questioning sanity of what I was reading. By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die. As an explicit lack of the mourners at his funeral showed, the rumors of him being "the consciousness of Russia" were greatly exaggerated. Indeed, what kind of Russian literature giant requires a special statement from the President of Russian Federation insisting that Solzh was not a traitor but meant only good. Never heard of such clarifications needed for Tolstoy, Pushkin or Dostoevsky, or, for that matter, Alexander Bloc.

    The situation of Pushkin and the Russia of his time and Solzhenytsin and the Soviet Union is what may have required the clarification that he was not a traitor for the benefit of a people who lived in an illusion. No one can take a person who can’t tell the difference seriously.

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    "The situation of Pushkin and the Russia of his time and Solzhenytsin and the Soviet Union"
    I think there must be 2 clarifications.
    You compare the genius of Russian literature Pushkin to Solzhenitsyn? It is very knowledgeable thing to do.
    you also imply that there was a lot of unmasking to be done and Soviet people required sort of savior to safe them form evil Soviet power. In this case I am not sure if you aware of what Russia used to be during Pushkin times and suffering among broad masses. Comparing that to later soviet times when people actually had what normal common folk needs for happy life to real masses suffering during Pushkin times... You are indeed very knowledgeable on the subject to pass your opinions.

    And how did Solzhenitsyn helped to improve lives? He provided material which as it appeared to be lies and exaggerations for enemies of the Soviet people to use to mess with people minds and lie about countries recent past to better take form people hard earned rights people enjoyed. Now it is good. Former Russian people have no illusions and all rights they used to enjoy are gone. Solzhenitsyn played his dirty role in all of this.
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  228. @Andrei Martyanov

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense,
     
    He also missed completely 20+ years of the Soviet Union in the times when there was no internet and even phone call from Vermont to Mosco0w was problematic--hence epistolary and "rumors". So, he comes back in 1990s to a country and nation of which he simply has no clue about (not that he had it to start with) while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR). I remember reading that in Izvestia and questioning sanity of what I was reading. By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die. As an explicit lack of the mourners at his funeral showed, the rumors of him being "the consciousness of Russia" were greatly exaggerated. Indeed, what kind of Russian literature giant requires a special statement from the President of Russian Federation insisting that Solzh was not a traitor but meant only good. Never heard of such clarifications needed for Tolstoy, Pushkin or Dostoevsky, or, for that matter, Alexander Bloc.

    Another Don Quichote ?

    Did you at least read Quiet Don?

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    Did you at least read Quiet Don?
     
    I cannot read and I never heard of Sholokhov. ;-)
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  229. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    The "Kremlin List" was published. Who could analyze it in terms of old/new money?
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    What about this angle:
     
    Bershidsky. Pretty much the same category of Moscow's rumor mill as one may encounter in communicating with the most odious uber-liberal "tusovka". Zero knowledge of any serious issue in Russia which is expected from people with background in journalism and banking. In other words--less ugly and less scandalous variation of Masha Gessen.
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  230. @Andrei Martyanov

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense,
     
    He also missed completely 20+ years of the Soviet Union in the times when there was no internet and even phone call from Vermont to Mosco0w was problematic--hence epistolary and "rumors". So, he comes back in 1990s to a country and nation of which he simply has no clue about (not that he had it to start with) while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR). I remember reading that in Izvestia and questioning sanity of what I was reading. By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die. As an explicit lack of the mourners at his funeral showed, the rumors of him being "the consciousness of Russia" were greatly exaggerated. Indeed, what kind of Russian literature giant requires a special statement from the President of Russian Federation insisting that Solzh was not a traitor but meant only good. Never heard of such clarifications needed for Tolstoy, Pushkin or Dostoevsky, or, for that matter, Alexander Bloc.

    When Pushkin died, who was a great writer, it was not necessary to tell the people that he was not a traitor for obvious reasons. When Solzhenytsin died, who was also a great writer, he had denounced the system, the ideology, and the society of the Soviet Union. So when Solzhenytsin died it seems reasonable that there were many “Post-Communists” who had been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the Soviet system, who may have needed a little help, or, shall we say, a “clarification” to help them understand that Solzhenytsin was not a traitor even though he exposed the gulag and the failures of the Soviet system and that there was a new reality. You seem to be such a person, for example, but you also seem to need a great deal more clarification. Also some re-education to eliminate the word “moron” and “idiot” in favor of more nuanced thinking.

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    When Pushkin died, who was a great writer, it was not necessary to tell the people that he was not a traitor for obvious reasons. When Solzhenytsin died
     
    LOL.

    After that, pretty much any substantive discussion must stop since the level of ignorance is astonishing.

    were many “Post-Communists” who had been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the Soviet system, who may have needed a little help, or, shall we say, a “clarification” to help them understand that Solzhenytsin was not a traitor even though he
     
    Sure, considering the "level" of Western "knowledge" of Russian history one has to ask the question who is more "brainwashed" or "indoctrinated". Actually, the jury is in on that.
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  231. Miro23 says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US

    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US.

    “But in the end” is talking about trends and tendencies.

    The trend I can see happening now, is Russians travelling and investing in Western Europe with growing positive interactions between Russians and Western Europeans at a various levels. It’s clear that Russians identify with Europe (not China) socially, and they have something positive to offer the West, with a more traditionalist (rather than PC) outlook.

    What is happening is a de-facto integration of Russia with Europe as a large but equal partner – and I think that the Russians would be happy with that. Many barriers have been artificially created by the United States (for example, German industries don’t want US imposed trade sanctions on Russia), and although there’s certainly a residual historic fear of Russia, this is more connected with memories of the Soviet Union, and Communism, rather than Russia in its present form.

    We don’t yet have a New Europe that stretches from Ireland to Siberia, but it’s more imaginable than anything Russian-Chinese or Russian-American. And conversely, in economic and social terms, the United States seems to have reached the end of the line, and would be heading for irrelevance, if it weren’t for its military power – and that can’t be debt funded forever.

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    What is happening is a de-facto integration of Russia with Europe as a large but equal partner – and I think that the Russians would be happy with that.
     
    Very complex issue, not black and white. But there is no denial of the fact that the fate of Europe as a culture, as Europe of what most of us got used to think about in terms of thinkers, art, science is of a huge concern to Russians, as recent statements by both Putin and Lavrov indicate. Europe does not have today any cultural wherewithal to "integrate" Russia, a rather opposite, disintegration, is happening. Economically, however, Russia is a part of Europe and is an integral part of the European market.
    , @Ivan
    This is OT. But I have to let you know that your feelings in the earlier comment on Anne Applebaum's book was similar to what I felt when perusing that book.
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  232. Seraphim says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    As he moved to the US and became an emigre he lost his common sense,
     
    He also missed completely 20+ years of the Soviet Union in the times when there was no internet and even phone call from Vermont to Mosco0w was problematic--hence epistolary and "rumors". So, he comes back in 1990s to a country and nation of which he simply has no clue about (not that he had it to start with) while forwarding prior the piece of utter pseudo-intellectual trash of How to Rebuild Russia (KNOR). I remember reading that in Izvestia and questioning sanity of what I was reading. By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die. As an explicit lack of the mourners at his funeral showed, the rumors of him being "the consciousness of Russia" were greatly exaggerated. Indeed, what kind of Russian literature giant requires a special statement from the President of Russian Federation insisting that Solzh was not a traitor but meant only good. Never heard of such clarifications needed for Tolstoy, Pushkin or Dostoevsky, or, for that matter, Alexander Bloc.

    @By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die.

    He returned in 1990 and died in 2008. Eighteen years! Apparently the same time that you lived outside Russia. He wrote ‘Two Hundred Years Together’ during this time. He published it in 2003! I guess you did not read it. It has too many footnotes and that makes it ‘tedious’.

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    He returned in 1990
     
    He returned in 1994.
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  233. @yurivku

    Hell, if Putin finally resolves the underlying issue of massive theft of 90′s from were many Russia ills flow he might enter the pantheon of Titans.
     
    Yes, He could. No, He would not. Not him. There were enough time for him to start recovering not only military side of a country. But he's prepared some base to continue, He at least saved country and people from a full disaster, now it's a time for somebody else.

    Yes, I agree with you. He might be transitional figure. Let’s see. The thing that is not clear to me what is the destination he is taking Russia if any?

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    He might be transitional figure.
     
    Who is he and what he wants it's very interesting to me. He's certainly bright, clever and knowing what he wants man. Whatever we say, he saved the country, but the result could have been much better.

    The thing that is not clear to me what is the destination he is taking Russia if any?
     
    That's the question we, Russian, also very curious in too -))
    But seems that his "transition" could be delayes for at least 6 years.
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  234. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US

    Chinese military track record and military history doe snot suggest that China can protect anyone. They are happy they can protect themselves at the moment. Historically China possess glass jaw in military terms and nothing awe inspiring for the country of this size of population and culture. Chinese are merchants, not fighters.

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  235. @plonialmoni
    The situation of Pushkin and the Russia of his time and Solzhenytsin and the Soviet Union is what may have required the clarification that he was not a traitor for the benefit of a people who lived in an illusion. No one can take a person who can't tell the difference seriously.

    “The situation of Pushkin and the Russia of his time and Solzhenytsin and the Soviet Union”
    I think there must be 2 clarifications.
    You compare the genius of Russian literature Pushkin to Solzhenitsyn? It is very knowledgeable thing to do.
    you also imply that there was a lot of unmasking to be done and Soviet people required sort of savior to safe them form evil Soviet power. In this case I am not sure if you aware of what Russia used to be during Pushkin times and suffering among broad masses. Comparing that to later soviet times when people actually had what normal common folk needs for happy life to real masses suffering during Pushkin times… You are indeed very knowledgeable on the subject to pass your opinions.

    And how did Solzhenitsyn helped to improve lives? He provided material which as it appeared to be lies and exaggerations for enemies of the Soviet people to use to mess with people minds and lie about countries recent past to better take form people hard earned rights people enjoyed. Now it is good. Former Russian people have no illusions and all rights they used to enjoy are gone. Solzhenitsyn played his dirty role in all of this.

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    You compare the genius of Russian literature Pushkin to Solzhenitsyn? It is very knowledgeable thing to do.
     
    This kind never heard of the issue of scale and proportions. So, no surprise here with them making such statements.
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  236. yurivku says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Yes, I agree with you. He might be transitional figure. Let's see. The thing that is not clear to me what is the destination he is taking Russia if any?

    He might be transitional figure.

    Who is he and what he wants it’s very interesting to me. He’s certainly bright, clever and knowing what he wants man. Whatever we say, he saved the country, but the result could have been much better.

    The thing that is not clear to me what is the destination he is taking Russia if any?

    That’s the question we, Russian, also very curious in too -))
    But seems that his “transition” could be delayes for at least 6 years.

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    6 years is along term. Lots can be done. But still, 19 years is behind him. I also wonder about succession issue. One thing for sure is that the next one is going to have hair. Hopefully mustache and pipe ;)
    Still destination is important thing to know. Without destination there is no clear path of actions. First destination is determined than planing starts to get there and it is also good for population moral.
    As Seneca used to say:" “There is no favorable wind for the sailor who doesn’t know where to go”
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  237. @Anon
    What about this angle:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-30/the-u-s-list-of-russian-oligarchs-is-a-disgrace

    What about this angle:

    Bershidsky. Pretty much the same category of Moscow’s rumor mill as one may encounter in communicating with the most odious uber-liberal “tusovka”. Zero knowledge of any serious issue in Russia which is expected from people with background in journalism and banking. In other words–less ugly and less scandalous variation of Masha Gessen.

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  238. @Seraphim
    @By the time he might have regained some fleecing touch to the reality it was the time to die.

    He returned in 1990 and died in 2008. Eighteen years! Apparently the same time that you lived outside Russia. He wrote 'Two Hundred Years Together' during this time. He published it in 2003! I guess you did not read it. It has too many footnotes and that makes it 'tedious'.

    He returned in 1990

    He returned in 1994.

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    Fourteen years then.
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  239. @plonialmoni
    When Pushkin died, who was a great writer, it was not necessary to tell the people that he was not a traitor for obvious reasons. When Solzhenytsin died, who was also a great writer, he had denounced the system, the ideology, and the society of the Soviet Union. So when Solzhenytsin died it seems reasonable that there were many "Post-Communists" who had been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the Soviet system, who may have needed a little help, or, shall we say, a "clarification" to help them understand that Solzhenytsin was not a traitor even though he exposed the gulag and the failures of the Soviet system and that there was a new reality. You seem to be such a person, for example, but you also seem to need a great deal more clarification. Also some re-education to eliminate the word "moron" and "idiot" in favor of more nuanced thinking.

    When Pushkin died, who was a great writer, it was not necessary to tell the people that he was not a traitor for obvious reasons. When Solzhenytsin died

    LOL.

    After that, pretty much any substantive discussion must stop since the level of ignorance is astonishing.

    were many “Post-Communists” who had been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the Soviet system, who may have needed a little help, or, shall we say, a “clarification” to help them understand that Solzhenytsin was not a traitor even though he

    Sure, considering the “level” of Western “knowledge” of Russian history one has to ask the question who is more “brainwashed” or “indoctrinated”. Actually, the jury is in on that.

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  240. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Another Don Quichote ?

    Did you at least read Quiet Don?

    Did you at least read Quiet Don?

    I cannot read and I never heard of Sholokhov. ;-)

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    How can I cheer you up? I do consider it my duty!
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Sholokhov is a Nobel price laureate for literature. And on top of it he was nominated several times.
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  241. @Sergey Krieger
    "The situation of Pushkin and the Russia of his time and Solzhenytsin and the Soviet Union"
    I think there must be 2 clarifications.
    You compare the genius of Russian literature Pushkin to Solzhenitsyn? It is very knowledgeable thing to do.
    you also imply that there was a lot of unmasking to be done and Soviet people required sort of savior to safe them form evil Soviet power. In this case I am not sure if you aware of what Russia used to be during Pushkin times and suffering among broad masses. Comparing that to later soviet times when people actually had what normal common folk needs for happy life to real masses suffering during Pushkin times... You are indeed very knowledgeable on the subject to pass your opinions.

    And how did Solzhenitsyn helped to improve lives? He provided material which as it appeared to be lies and exaggerations for enemies of the Soviet people to use to mess with people minds and lie about countries recent past to better take form people hard earned rights people enjoyed. Now it is good. Former Russian people have no illusions and all rights they used to enjoy are gone. Solzhenitsyn played his dirty role in all of this.

    You compare the genius of Russian literature Pushkin to Solzhenitsyn? It is very knowledgeable thing to do.

    This kind never heard of the issue of scale and proportions. So, no surprise here with them making such statements.

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    "This kind never heard of the issue of scale and proportions. So, no surprise here with them making such statements."

    I wonder why Solzhenitsyn is so popular among certain segment of Western population ? Any thoughts?
    May be confirmation of their anti Russian prejudice?

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  242. @Miro23

    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US.
     
    "But in the end" is talking about trends and tendencies.

    The trend I can see happening now, is Russians travelling and investing in Western Europe with growing positive interactions between Russians and Western Europeans at a various levels. It's clear that Russians identify with Europe (not China) socially, and they have something positive to offer the West, with a more traditionalist (rather than PC) outlook.

    What is happening is a de-facto integration of Russia with Europe as a large but equal partner - and I think that the Russians would be happy with that. Many barriers have been artificially created by the United States (for example, German industries don't want US imposed trade sanctions on Russia), and although there's certainly a residual historic fear of Russia, this is more connected with memories of the Soviet Union, and Communism, rather than Russia in its present form.

    We don't yet have a New Europe that stretches from Ireland to Siberia, but it's more imaginable than anything Russian-Chinese or Russian-American. And conversely, in economic and social terms, the United States seems to have reached the end of the line, and would be heading for irrelevance, if it weren't for its military power - and that can't be debt funded forever.

    What is happening is a de-facto integration of Russia with Europe as a large but equal partner – and I think that the Russians would be happy with that.

    Very complex issue, not black and white. But there is no denial of the fact that the fate of Europe as a culture, as Europe of what most of us got used to think about in terms of thinkers, art, science is of a huge concern to Russians, as recent statements by both Putin and Lavrov indicate. Europe does not have today any cultural wherewithal to “integrate” Russia, a rather opposite, disintegration, is happening. Economically, however, Russia is a part of Europe and is an integral part of the European market.

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  243. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    No, he did not. This is a sovok urban legend.
     
    Anatoly, educate yourself. Can you stop passing opinions on things you have no clue about?

    Solzhenitsyn wrote in "The Grain between the Millstones:" "My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it, but that's how it reached our compatriots ... Try to prove them otherwise now." Of course somebody "distorted" it. Solzhenitsyn never had free will, always somebody was guilty.

    But he did, as he did support war in Vietnam. Obviously Solzh's statements, captured by American Cold War propaganda reels are completely imagined. /s

    https://youtu.be/0r12mBKckBY

    Everybody supported war in Vietnam including Soviets, only difference was which side.

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    Everybody supported war in Vietnam including Soviets, only difference was which side.
     
    sophistry:

    1. a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.

    2. a false argument; sophism.

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sophistry
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  244. @Anon
    Everybody supported war in Vietnam including Soviets, only difference was which side.

    Everybody supported war in Vietnam including Soviets, only difference was which side.

    sophistry:

    1. a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.

    2. a false argument; sophism.

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sophistry

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    Ha ha, very funny, also self-referential on a deep level.

    I like it!
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  245. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Everybody supported war in Vietnam including Soviets, only difference was which side.
     
    sophistry:

    1. a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.

    2. a false argument; sophism.

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sophistry

    Ha ha, very funny, also self-referential on a deep level.

    I like it!

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  246. DH13 says:
    @utu

    I am utterly baffled how anyone can still claim that IQ explains Jewish influence. It’s precisely those who believe in IQ who should be aware that the numbers don’t match.
     
    Sailer likes to bring up Lenin's who-whom dictum. It never occurs to him that the IQism that he promotes which in his mind has explanatory power is a part of the who-whom equation. He recognizes the Jewish power and influence but he has to accept it unconditionally because Jewish power and influence in the IQist world is biologically determined and thus can't be analyzed or opposed. It is deserved. It is god given. The god of evolution. There is no ethics or morality in biology. Jews are the smartest so they must rule. You can't blame them for it, right? This is the bottom line, though hidden to most IQist who are too busy celebrating the consolation prize that they are smarter than Africans. So, when Sailer gets exasperated about the Jewish negative role in the immigration issue all he can muster is a humble supplication that the fellow Jews change their ways and see the world also from the white goys point of view. He begs, he prays, he appeals to their common sense , decency and mercy. Why is he so stupid one would ask? Common sense, decency and mercy are not part of the IQ. Basically if you adopt the IQist Weltanschauung like Sailer, Karlin or Derbyshire you basically are in the bent over position in anticipation to be screwed. The best you can hope is that it won't hurt too much when the top IQ dog will hop on you. Very pathetic bunch.

    Spot on. IQism is self defeating.

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  247. Seraphim says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    He returned in 1990
     
    He returned in 1994.

    Fourteen years then.

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  248. @yurivku

    He might be transitional figure.
     
    Who is he and what he wants it's very interesting to me. He's certainly bright, clever and knowing what he wants man. Whatever we say, he saved the country, but the result could have been much better.

    The thing that is not clear to me what is the destination he is taking Russia if any?
     
    That's the question we, Russian, also very curious in too -))
    But seems that his "transition" could be delayes for at least 6 years.

    6 years is along term. Lots can be done. But still, 19 years is behind him. I also wonder about succession issue. One thing for sure is that the next one is going to have hair. Hopefully mustache and pipe ;)
    Still destination is important thing to know. Without destination there is no clear path of actions. First destination is determined than planing starts to get there and it is also good for population moral.
    As Seneca used to say:” “There is no favorable wind for the sailor who doesn’t know where to go”

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    For some reasons UNZ's site not always sends notifications of replies to my comments.
    This time it didn't -)

    One thing for sure is that the next one is going to have hair. Hopefully mustache and pipe ;)
     
    It's Grudinin -). All but pipe, in new times smoking got unpopular.

    I'm personally think about him to vote for, his local position is quite strong, but when he talks on international, world level problems he seems much weaker than less haired Putin.
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  249. @Andrei Martyanov

    You compare the genius of Russian literature Pushkin to Solzhenitsyn? It is very knowledgeable thing to do.
     
    This kind never heard of the issue of scale and proportions. So, no surprise here with them making such statements.

    “This kind never heard of the issue of scale and proportions. So, no surprise here with them making such statements.”

    I wonder why Solzhenitsyn is so popular among certain segment of Western population ? Any thoughts?
    May be confirmation of their anti Russian prejudice?

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    Aren't you anti-Russian? Didn't the Communists fix what was wrong with the Russia of Pushkin's time?Let me quote you: "I am not sure if you [are] aware of what Russia used to be during Pushkin times and suffering among broad masses." Are you aware of what Russia was like during Soviet times? It was worse. Evidently not for you. The millions who were killed and tortured do not come to your mind. Perhaps you think that they deserved it?
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  250. Ivan says:
    @Miro23

    But in the end it will be China who will make US impotent and inert, and so in the end it will be China who will protect Russia from US.
     
    "But in the end" is talking about trends and tendencies.

    The trend I can see happening now, is Russians travelling and investing in Western Europe with growing positive interactions between Russians and Western Europeans at a various levels. It's clear that Russians identify with Europe (not China) socially, and they have something positive to offer the West, with a more traditionalist (rather than PC) outlook.

    What is happening is a de-facto integration of Russia with Europe as a large but equal partner - and I think that the Russians would be happy with that. Many barriers have been artificially created by the United States (for example, German industries don't want US imposed trade sanctions on Russia), and although there's certainly a residual historic fear of Russia, this is more connected with memories of the Soviet Union, and Communism, rather than Russia in its present form.

    We don't yet have a New Europe that stretches from Ireland to Siberia, but it's more imaginable than anything Russian-Chinese or Russian-American. And conversely, in economic and social terms, the United States seems to have reached the end of the line, and would be heading for irrelevance, if it weren't for its military power - and that can't be debt funded forever.

    This is OT. But I have to let you know that your feelings in the earlier comment on Anne Applebaum’s book was similar to what I felt when perusing that book.

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  251. Geonet says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim
    Apparently it is an English invention of an Italian sounding phrase:

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/che_sara_sara

    Then Doris Day assumed it was Spanish lol

    The expression “what will be will be” seems to be more Portuguese and Spanish than Italian.

    what will be will be (English
    o que será será (Portuguese)
    lo que será será (Spanish)
    quel che sarà sarà (Italian)

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  252. @Sergey Krieger
    "This kind never heard of the issue of scale and proportions. So, no surprise here with them making such statements."

    I wonder why Solzhenitsyn is so popular among certain segment of Western population ? Any thoughts?
    May be confirmation of their anti Russian prejudice?

    Aren’t you anti-Russian? Didn’t the Communists fix what was wrong with the Russia of Pushkin’s time?Let me quote you: “I am not sure if you [are] aware of what Russia used to be during Pushkin times and suffering among broad masses.” Are you aware of what Russia was like during Soviet times? It was worse. Evidently not for you. The millions who were killed and tortured do not come to your mind. Perhaps you think that they deserved it?

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    You are probably the one to enlighten me or those who was born and lived there as to how bad it was. I suspect your knowledge of the subject is based upon Solzhenitsyn writings and the like. Most probably you also have no clue as to what life of peasantry was back in Pushkin time and later. If I am not mistaken Lenin once told that Russian peasant life was harder than that of American Negro. Both were essentially slaves. Numbers in tens of millions after archives are opened cannot be attributed to the lack of information. The best you can do is to avoid talking what you have no clue about and read something more fundamental than writings by disgranted loser.
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  253. @Andrei Martyanov

    Did you at least read Quiet Don?
     
    I cannot read and I never heard of Sholokhov. ;-)

    How can I cheer you up? I do consider it my duty!

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    I have an idea. You should have your very own column. Daily humor or something like that.
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  254. @plonialmoni
    Aren't you anti-Russian? Didn't the Communists fix what was wrong with the Russia of Pushkin's time?Let me quote you: "I am not sure if you [are] aware of what Russia used to be during Pushkin times and suffering among broad masses." Are you aware of what Russia was like during Soviet times? It was worse. Evidently not for you. The millions who were killed and tortured do not come to your mind. Perhaps you think that they deserved it?

    You are probably the one to enlighten me or those who was born and lived there as to how bad it was. I suspect your knowledge of the subject is based upon Solzhenitsyn writings and the like. Most probably you also have no clue as to what life of peasantry was back in Pushkin time and later. If I am not mistaken Lenin once told that Russian peasant life was harder than that of American Negro. Both were essentially slaves. Numbers in tens of millions after archives are opened cannot be attributed to the lack of information. The best you can do is to avoid talking what you have no clue about and read something more fundamental than writings by disgranted loser.

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    Can someone enlighten us people who 'have no clue' about the real numbers of casualties revealed by the archives?
    Stalin admitted to Churchill that during the collectivization of agriculture he had to 'deal' with 10 million peasants.
    Alexander Yakovlev, formerly the chairman of Russia's Presidential Commission for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, estimates the numbers executed or done to death in prisons and camps for purely political reasons at 20-25 million. He adds 5.5 million victims of famine in the Civil War and the 5 million in the artificial famine of the 1930s.
    The Butovo monument consists of two granite slabs on which are engraved the names of 20,762 people who died there.
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  255. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    How can I cheer you up? I do consider it my duty!

    I have an idea. You should have your very own column. Daily humor or something like that.

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    I know! I know! But sometime I do write a serious comment. You are smart person.
    So I am curios for your evaluation.
    So please check my comment 373 at what race Greeks and Romans were.
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  256. Seraphim says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    You are probably the one to enlighten me or those who was born and lived there as to how bad it was. I suspect your knowledge of the subject is based upon Solzhenitsyn writings and the like. Most probably you also have no clue as to what life of peasantry was back in Pushkin time and later. If I am not mistaken Lenin once told that Russian peasant life was harder than that of American Negro. Both were essentially slaves. Numbers in tens of millions after archives are opened cannot be attributed to the lack of information. The best you can do is to avoid talking what you have no clue about and read something more fundamental than writings by disgranted loser.

    Can someone enlighten us people who ‘have no clue’ about the real numbers of casualties revealed by the archives?
    Stalin admitted to Churchill that during the collectivization of agriculture he had to ‘deal’ with 10 million peasants.
    Alexander Yakovlev, formerly the chairman of Russia’s Presidential Commission for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, estimates the numbers executed or done to death in prisons and camps for purely political reasons at 20-25 million. He adds 5.5 million victims of famine in the Civil War and the 5 million in the artificial famine of the 1930s.
    The Butovo monument consists of two granite slabs on which are engraved the names of 20,762 people who died there.

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    Can someone enlighten us people who ‘have no clue’ about the real numbers of casualties revealed by the archives?
     
    If you need exact figures it'll be too difficult to say, but it's clear that russophobes like Yakovlev exagerated it much.

    Some ideas about bolsheviks you can find here
    http://russia-insider.com/en/its-time-drop-jew-taboo/ri22186

    But you can also try to count number of civilians killed by US in Vietnam, Korea, Serbia, Syria, Iraq ... this list is very log. Count Japanese victims burned in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    You can also add here indians and McCarthyism victims. After that please say if such society should exist.

    What about Russia's history - yes, it has some dark periods. But if you really want to know this - read not only Yakovlev and all this liberal US asskissers anti-communists stories.

    Our communist past was not only coloured black. There were a lot which should be remembered.
    , @Dmitry
    If we look at executions alone (which is of course not nearly the whole figure by far – but still of interest). From 1921 to early 1954 – the number of people sentenced to death by the state on political charges: 642,980.
    , @Ivan K.
    There is a brief incomplete summary on that here.

    "Stalin admitted to Churchill that during the collectivization of agriculture he had to ‘deal’ with 10 million peasants."

    Link to the story, verbatim.

    "Alexander Yakovlev, formerly the chairman of Russia’s Presidential Commission for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression"

    Let arguments speak for themselves.
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  257. @Sergey Krieger
    I have an idea. You should have your very own column. Daily humor or something like that.

    I know! I know! But sometime I do write a serious comment. You are smart person.
    So I am curios for your evaluation.
    So please check my comment 373 at what race Greeks and Romans were.

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  258. @Andrei Martyanov

    Did you at least read Quiet Don?
     
    I cannot read and I never heard of Sholokhov. ;-)

    Sholokhov is a Nobel price laureate for literature. And on top of it he was nominated several times.

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  259. yurivku says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    6 years is along term. Lots can be done. But still, 19 years is behind him. I also wonder about succession issue. One thing for sure is that the next one is going to have hair. Hopefully mustache and pipe ;)
    Still destination is important thing to know. Without destination there is no clear path of actions. First destination is determined than planing starts to get there and it is also good for population moral.
    As Seneca used to say:" “There is no favorable wind for the sailor who doesn’t know where to go”

    For some reasons UNZ’s site not always sends notifications of replies to my comments.
    This time it didn’t -)

    One thing for sure is that the next one is going to have hair. Hopefully mustache and pipe ;)

    It’s Grudinin -). All but pipe, in new times smoking got unpopular.

    I’m personally think about him to vote for, his local position is quite strong, but when he talks on international, world level problems he seems much weaker than less haired Putin.

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    Experience in foreign affairs cannot be substituted. He seems to be solid "khozyajstvennik ". I read Grudinin program. I do not remember there expropriation of expropriated. In this case downriģt criminals and thieves. Strange for communist. Also, I hear that slow nationalization is going on. But I wonder if results can be for public good rather than creating more for managers without more systematic approach and quite obvious return to old and tried system of public funds the way they used to exist in Soviet times and where so many good things were coming from. I have serious doubt with so much of resources concentrated in so few hands and chances for improvement and decent life for all.
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  260. yurivku says:
    @Seraphim
    Can someone enlighten us people who 'have no clue' about the real numbers of casualties revealed by the archives?
    Stalin admitted to Churchill that during the collectivization of agriculture he had to 'deal' with 10 million peasants.
    Alexander Yakovlev, formerly the chairman of Russia's Presidential Commission for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, estimates the numbers executed or done to death in prisons and camps for purely political reasons at 20-25 million. He adds 5.5 million victims of famine in the Civil War and the 5 million in the artificial famine of the 1930s.
    The Butovo monument consists of two granite slabs on which are engraved the names of 20,762 people who died there.

    Can someone enlighten us people who ‘have no clue’ about the real numbers of casualties revealed by the archives?

    If you need exact figures it’ll be too difficult to say, but it’s clear that russophobes like Yakovlev exagerated it much.

    Some ideas about bolsheviks you can find here

    http://russia-insider.com/en/its-time-drop-jew-taboo/ri22186

    But you can also try to count number of civilians killed by US in Vietnam, Korea, Serbia, Syria, Iraq … this list is very log. Count Japanese victims burned in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    You can also add here indians and McCarthyism victims. After that please say if such society should exist.

    What about Russia’s history – yes, it has some dark periods. But if you really want to know this – read not only Yakovlev and all this liberal US asskissers anti-communists stories.

    Our communist past was not only coloured black. There were a lot which should be remembered.

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    All countries have some dark spots in history. Our history happened because of high pressure turned into the huge blast. France went through similar events. However after original spasms of violence things started improving rapidly after Stalin and his supporters took control. Imagine what would be without great patriotic war happening. I think most of late problems stem from losses suffered among the best and psychological trauma not to be forgotten partners being untouched by war and many of our people being naive.
    , @Seraphim
    'Whataboutism' is never an answer. It is actually a typical way of avoiding to give an answer.
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  261. @yurivku
    For some reasons UNZ's site not always sends notifications of replies to my comments.
    This time it didn't -)

    One thing for sure is that the next one is going to have hair. Hopefully mustache and pipe ;)
     
    It's Grudinin -). All but pipe, in new times smoking got unpopular.

    I'm personally think about him to vote for, his local position is quite strong, but when he talks on international, world level problems he seems much weaker than less haired Putin.

    Experience in foreign affairs cannot be substituted. He seems to be solid “khozyajstvennik “. I read Grudinin program. I do not remember there expropriation of expropriated. In this case downriģt criminals and thieves. Strange for communist. Also, I hear that slow nationalization is going on. But I wonder if results can be for public good rather than creating more for managers without more systematic approach and quite obvious return to old and tried system of public funds the way they used to exist in Soviet times and where so many good things were coming from. I have serious doubt with so much of resources concentrated in so few hands and chances for improvement and decent life for all.

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  262. @yurivku

    Can someone enlighten us people who ‘have no clue’ about the real numbers of casualties revealed by the archives?
     
    If you need exact figures it'll be too difficult to say, but it's clear that russophobes like Yakovlev exagerated it much.

    Some ideas about bolsheviks you can find here
    http://russia-insider.com/en/its-time-drop-jew-taboo/ri22186

    But you can also try to count number of civilians killed by US in Vietnam, Korea, Serbia, Syria, Iraq ... this list is very log. Count Japanese victims burned in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    You can also add here indians and McCarthyism victims. After that please say if such society should exist.

    What about Russia's history - yes, it has some dark periods. But if you really want to know this - read not only Yakovlev and all this liberal US asskissers anti-communists stories.

    Our communist past was not only coloured black. There were a lot which should be remembered.

    All countries have some dark spots in history. Our history happened because of high pressure turned into the huge blast. France went through similar events. However after original spasms of violence things started improving rapidly after Stalin and his supporters took control. Imagine what would be without great patriotic war happening. I think most of late problems stem from losses suffered among the best and psychological trauma not to be forgotten partners being untouched by war and many of our people being naive.

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    Sergey, the discussion on our history can be wide and deep. My English is too poor for that, but I have no desire anyway. My POW on Stalin's times probably differs from yours, but I'm not going to put it like just evil.

    But what I can say:
    - our history in all its periods it's ours and I do attend to it with big respect despite these western pundits who pretend to know it having all knowledge probably from sources like CNN, WSJ etc.

    - what will be without WW2 which we call Great Patriotic War in which almost any our family lost somebody we can only guess, but certaily we could have been in a better state

    But getting back to realities I once again will say - now problem not in Russia, these provocations of insane dying AngloZionist ((c) The Saker) Empire, - what is the real world's problems.
    We are used to difficulties and we'll survive if history will go peasful way.
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  263. yurivku says:

    Experience in foreign affairs cannot be substituted

    Well it can if one has a strong and competent team.

    I read Grudinin program. I do not remember there expropriation of expropriated.

    They claim to nationalise resource oriented big bisenesses like oil-gas-etc. Small privates will left untouched

    In this case downriģt criminals and thieves. Strange for communist.

    He’s not a communist. He was selected as a lider of national-patrotic forces, where communists is only a part.
    But communists (and it’s wise of them) as official party let him be vouted as communist party candidate.

    Moreover contemporary communists currently are socialists, the do confirm it themselves.
    And I consider that time of pure communism is over.

    I have serious doubt …

    We all have. But when we saw Putin we had much greated doubts.

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    I do not think there ever was communism especially a pure one. Money and communism kind of do not mix. I think the country was moving in that direction until Krushev came along. Now I really wonder where it is all going. Putin did play important role. But it cannot be denied that much of his success is due to not ruining everything left from the soviet past. The foundation of the current improvements is still Soviet be it military, technologies, science and people who has been making it possible. What's more interesting is there something getting built on that foundation to provide foundation for the next 25 developments and again, what that development going to be in terms of socio economic realm, not just military. Grudinin is not going to be president now if ever. Putin is going to be the president for the next 6 years, so, let's see. But I doubt there going to be any meaningful changes. I also wonder what is behind the whole of development of delivery routs of oil and gas. Is it the end in itself or proceeds are going to be used to rebuild industrial capacities and new industries... Lots of things are of interest that cannot be discussed in this format.
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  264. yurivku says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    All countries have some dark spots in history. Our history happened because of high pressure turned into the huge blast. France went through similar events. However after original spasms of violence things started improving rapidly after Stalin and his supporters took control. Imagine what would be without great patriotic war happening. I think most of late problems stem from losses suffered among the best and psychological trauma not to be forgotten partners being untouched by war and many of our people being naive.

    Sergey, the discussion on our history can be wide and deep. My English is too poor for that, but I have no desire anyway. My POW on Stalin’s times probably differs from yours, but I’m not going to put it like just evil.

    But what I can say:
    - our history in all its periods it’s ours and I do attend to it with big respect despite these western pundits who pretend to know it having all knowledge probably from sources like CNN, WSJ etc.

    - what will be without WW2 which we call Great Patriotic War in which almost any our family lost somebody we can only guess, but certaily we could have been in a better state

    But getting back to realities I once again will say – now problem not in Russia, these provocations of insane dying AngloZionist ((c) The Saker) Empire, – what is the real world’s problems.
    We are used to difficulties and we’ll survive if history will go peasful way.

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    Agree with what you wrote. Russian history before revolution never was smeared in Soviet times like Soviet history now. I think it must stop. I myself get allergic reaction whenever I read smearing whether about Russia or ussr. Regarding this Anglo Zionist thing, I call it just capitalism. It is another name for it. It is dying and might take the rest of us with it. Hence my wondering about where Russia is going. Along what way. Following the dying beast or taking what we had good in Soviet union and improving and developing it further. Whatever can be said of Soviet times it was mostly positive and had a seed of good in it.
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  265. Seraphim says:
    @yurivku

    Can someone enlighten us people who ‘have no clue’ about the real numbers of casualties revealed by the archives?
     
    If you need exact figures it'll be too difficult to say, but it's clear that russophobes like Yakovlev exagerated it much.

    Some ideas about bolsheviks you can find here
    http://russia-insider.com/en/its-time-drop-jew-taboo/ri22186

    But you can also try to count number of civilians killed by US in Vietnam, Korea, Serbia, Syria, Iraq ... this list is very log. Count Japanese victims burned in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    You can also add here indians and McCarthyism victims. After that please say if such society should exist.

    What about Russia's history - yes, it has some dark periods. But if you really want to know this - read not only Yakovlev and all this liberal US asskissers anti-communists stories.

    Our communist past was not only coloured black. There were a lot which should be remembered.

    ‘Whataboutism’ is never an answer. It is actually a typical way of avoiding to give an answer.

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    Actually I answered, but it's not possible to explain something to one who has no desire to listen.
    I expected something like that from you and was writing really no to you personally, but to those who are ready to hear.
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