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Paolo Roberto, 50, a native of Sweden (his father was an Italian), had made a name for himself: a well-known boxer, he had his own TV show, he appeared in many programmes; Swedish girls loved to dance with him in Dancing with the Stars; he also had a profitable business: he imported Italian olive oil and gastronomic products sold in the large Swedish supermarket chain CO-OP. All that glory vanished in a moment. Swedish police trapped him as he visited a girl of dubious character and then paid her for her services. It was a honey-trap. The policemen appeared from their hiding places and whisked Roberto off to the local precinct where he was booked and the nation alerted. He didn’t deny a thing; he expressed extreme remorse.

In Sweden, it is perfectly legal to be engaged in prostitution. Today no one in Sweden can tell a woman what to do with her own body, be it abortion, sex change or prostitution. Yet it is a crime for a man to pay a woman for sex.

It is not sane; it is as though selling crack were legal while buying crack is the only crime. Usually it is other way around, a casual user goes free while the pusher is arrested. But it does not matter; Sweden is not the only country in the world with such a strange law on her books.

Roberto was charged for this crime. It could be worse: Sweden has some extraordinary crimes in its law book, one of them is Rape by Misadventure or Careless Rape which is committed by a man who has sex with a woman who ostensibly agrees to or even solicits sex but inwardly she is not willing. She may be doing it for money, or boredom, but not for pleasure, and the man carelessly overlooked her conflicting emotions. It is Swedish Rape. Pity they never apply the same logic to working people; we often do even less pleasant things for money, to buy food or pay rent, but the landlord is not punished for raping his tenants.

This new definition of rape deserves Victor Hugo’s pen. It is Swedish Rape to have sex without a condom. It is Swedish Rape if the next day, or a few days later, the woman feels she may have been raped. Or cheated, or underpaid, or mistreated. For this ill-defined offence, Julian Assange has already spent ten years in various detention halls. If he would have killed the girl he would be free by now. Note that you may be guilty of Swedish Rape if you claim to be infertile and your partner becomes pregnant. Are you guilty of rape if you claim to be a Jew but aren’t? This is an Israeli contribution to the concept of rape. But I digress.

Paolo Roberto is charged with paying a woman for sex, the crime Judah, son of Jacob, committed with Tamar (Genesis 38). The 25-year-old girl consented, but that does not matter. She came from a rather poor South European country, so probably her consent doesn’t mean much. Or perhaps she consented just in order to entrap the guy and this is how Swedish justice works. Swedish prisons would be empty if police weren’t allowed to entice and entrap Swedes.

The consequences for Paolo were terrible: he hasn’t been tried yet; he hasn’t been found guilty; his likely punishment is little more than a fine; but he was dropped like a hot potato by Swedish TV, by Swedish sports, by the Swedish chain that marketed his olive oil. His company was bankrupted overnight. The man was crushed like a bug. It was not Swedish law that crushed him. In the eyes of Swedish law he is still innocent until proven guilty. Swedish law did not force the supermarkets to remove his olive oil (actually, a very good one, I used to buy it) from its shelves. Paolo was lynched by the New Puritan spirit that is part and parcel of the New Normal.

Once upon a time, Sweden was an extremely liberal and free country. Swedes were known, or even notorious for free sexual mores. Independent and brave Swedish girls weren’t shy, and they were comfortable with very unorthodox ‘family’ unions. But, while the US has always espoused its own brand of politically-correct Puritanism, the global media is now dragging along the other Western states in its wake. France and even Sweden participated in their own renditions of the American BLM protests, called for #MeToo, and seem eager to trade in their own cultures for the New Puritanism.

This rising Puritanism is a contrarian response to the personal freedom we enjoyed since the 1960’s, and a jaded weariness with the excessive commercial sexuality of the mass media. The media sells everything with a lot of sex. You cannot turn a TV on, daytime or night, without seeing an implied or explicit act of copulation. They sell cars, snacks and sneakers by displaying naked bodies. This flood of pornography is turning the public mood against sex. Who should we blame for this blatant exploitation of sex? Men.

The Old Puritanism was hard on women; the witches were burned, and the whores were evicted from their homes. The New Puritanism is hard on men. Men are being taught that hanky-panky can have serious consequences. On the site of one of their destroyed statues of Jefferson, the Americans should erect a statue of Andrea Dworkin, the obese lying feminist who famously said that every intercourse is rape, and Penetration is Violation. She is an icon of New Puritan America.

They could not outlaw sex per se, so they invent sordid stories of incestuous sex, of paedophilia, of abusing priests, each storyteller trying to outdo the last. The vast majority of these stories are sheer inventions, like the witchcraft stories of the 17th century in Old Puritan New England. We are in the midst of a global media campaign, and men are the targets. The Patriarchy will be diminished by the systematic demonization of boys and men.

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In the current media frenzy I cannot trust any story, any accusation of a man involved in a sordid sexual crime: these media campaigns are too often employed to unseat a commercial competitor or destroy the popularity of a political rival. Often the man is not even accused of any crime, but only of frivolous behaviour: a touch, or an immodest proposal; natural acts celebrated in the days of my youth. Yes, my young readers, in the 1970’s you could touch a woman’s knee and suggest she accompany you on a passionate weekend at a seaside resort, and she would often agree. This libertine era is over completely. Even to me, it now seems mythical, like Atlantis. It is gone.

The US is the media’s inspirational model of the New Puritanism. Remember the women who lined up to claim that the future Supreme Court judge tried to kiss or even rape them when they were kids in college? The most credible of them would not even allege he behaved criminally; just immorally according to New Puritan standards. Now every relationship must be re-evaluated in the light of the New Puritanical historical revisionism. Women who pose for a picture with a presidential candidate now have a certain amount of power over him. During a media campaign the allegations come fast and furious, but upon investigation they turn out to be spurious and motivated by self-interest or politics.

It is good to see that sometimes, quite rarely, a man can still escape a close encounter with his life intact. Former First Minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond had been accused of all the usual sexual sins and was fully cleared by the court. No less than ten women were recruited (apparently with the knowledge of Nicola Sturgeon, Salmond’s successor); they came forward and claimed that they were sexually attacked by Salmond. They were rather sloppy with their proofs, and it turns out that they claimed they were attacked at times and places where Salmond could not have been present. The case was dismissed and Salmond was found not guilty. Scottish prosecutors had spent years of labour trying to condemn Salmond, and it spectacularly failed.

You might ask, why have these perjurers (who are well-connected women close to the centre of power of the ruling SNP party) not been prosecuted for their attempt to frame the man? Well, the very idea of these trials is that the accusing woman can’t lose. If she wins, she can collect millions, and if she loses, even her name remains secret. These ten perjurers are exempt from legal consequence; nor are they required pay expenses and damages. The women are protected. Who pays? Our colleague, the excellent writer and former HM Ambassador Craig Murray, that’s who. Murray was reporting on the trial of Alex Salmond for the public’s benefit, published onto his own blog, when he was charged with disclosing the identities of some of the perjuring women. A conscientious man, Craig wasn’t guilty of naming names, but even his vague description of “an SNP politician, a party worker and several current and former Scottish government civil servants and officials” was considered by the court to be a monstrous breach of confidentiality.

The public was well prepared for this onslaught on mankind by the poisonous #MeToo culture, a massive wave of carefully coordinated media hysteria. Women in communes and nunneries are known to menstruate at the same time when living in close proximity. #MeToo was a similar mass event. It was designed to push women’s buttons. They even offered up an appropriately grotesque scapegoat: Harvey Weinstein, a movie producer with 386 Hollywood production credits under his belt.

The actresses that accused Weinstein (over eighty women) would still be unknowns if he had not given them parts in his movies. And they repaid him with such cruel ingratitude. Actresses have a certain psychological setup that makes them extremely untrustworthy. They have many other qualities to offset this deficiency, but you can’t just accept the words of a lady who plays today Lady Macbeth and tomorrow Madam Butterfly as solid truth. They are acting, in life as well as in their line of work.

Consider the beautiful Angelina Jolie. She is mad as a hatter. Even her own father said that she had “serious mental problems.” Her long history of violent self-abuse culminated with her choice to cut off her breasts because of a DNA test that indicated risk for breast cancer. She has had a long line of boyfriends and husbands, and a lot of kids adopted out of Africa, taken away from their natural parents. Is she a reliable witness? She would say anything that is fashionable. The woman wants to be adored as the model of an excellent person; this is a honourable goal, but she is extremely unsuitable for it.

Weinstein’s eighty accusers collected millions; the great producer went to a life-long jail sentence. The public, the great American public was eager to lynch the man who gave them True Romance and Pulp Fiction. Was he guilty as charged? Even the charges were a travesty of justice. Men of his generation (and of mine, too) routinely propositioned women. We are all guilty, though not many of us racked up Weinstein’s numbers. Yet every woman was free to refuse. No police reports against Weinstein appeared until the #MeToo media campaign was in full swing. Did he harass them? You and me are harassed daily by offers to take another credit card or bank loan; we are free to refuse this definitely harassing offer. Every unsolicited proposal is harassment; and we receive daily hundreds of proposals of various nature. What is so different about a sexual proposal to a woman? Weinstein may or may not have committed a crime, but in the poisonous air of #MeToo there is no need to prove any accusation, and the man was lynched.

Perhaps now I am going to lose your tentative sympathy, but I do not believe the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein and Ms Ghislaine Maxwell, either. And the attack on Prince Andrew is similarly unbelievable. Chapeau for Mr Trump who dared to express sympathy to Ms Maxwell. This was an act of incredible bravery, to step out of line and to say a few kind words to her and about her. The cowardly Clinton and Obama, who were close friends with Epstein and Maxwell, were mum. Trump who was not particularly close to the couple, spoke up for them. He really deserves being re-elected, despite his many faults. Such a man is a master of his own mind, and this is a very rare quality.

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I may mull over a proposal to buy the Brooklyn Bridge, but how possibly can one believe the stories of the disturbed woman who claims that she had to be forced to have sex with fabulously wealthy Mr Epstein or to meet glamorous Prince Andrew, let alone that she suffered “extreme distress, humiliation, fear, psychological trauma, loss of dignity and self esteem and invasion of her privacy” on his island retreat? The complete absence of evidence and the complete lack of objectivity could only prevail in the midst of a media campaign. It is believable what Ms Maxwell said in a deposition, that Ms Giuffre was “totally lying.” Indeed all these gold diggers are totally lying.

Like this one: An anonymous accuser says she’ll testify that ‘evil’ Ghislaine Maxwell raped her ’20-30 times’ starting from when she was 14 and claims she was forced to abort Jeffrey Epstein’s baby. Honest and reputable men like Prince Andrew are forced into the demeaning and impossible position of having to argue and justify themselves against wild accusations. There are no reasonably believable accusations of crime against these people. A woman had a photo of her taken with Prince Andrew. She was at least 17; at this age girls in England are perfectly entitled to have an affair with a man. Other girls in other photos were apparently of age, too. Young, yes, but not criminally young. Furthermore, a posed photo does not always indicate a sexual relationship. Some women claim they were babies and they were raped, but there are no proofs of anything except their greed.

Mike Robeson who investigated the claims came to conclusion that they were often initiated by big business to rip off rich Jews. New Puritanism is the Joker card that can trump the antisemitism ace. He wrote:

I’ve read Whitney Webb’s investigative articles on Epstein, which are often cited by the alternative and leftist crowd as evidence of his Mossad connections and blackmailing activities. But Webb’s articles are actually full of unsubstantiated rumors, possible immoral or illegal activities between high level people based on coincidental social or business connections and potentially damning rumors corroborated mainly by her previous articles and posts. She has done some fine reporting on other issues. But on the Epstein case, she is part of what Israel rightly refers to as the New Puritanism.

Supposed evidence of Frau Maxwell’s salacious involvement is the famous photo of Prince Andrew below. This is all the New Puritans need to justify believing the rumors and drawing their “I told ya’ so!” conclusions. But hobnobbing has long been a sport played by the wannabes with the tacit collusion of the rich and/or famous.

Take a look at the fun couple under Prince Andrew and his alleged squeeze. You may recognize Rosalynn Carter, then First Lady of the US. Standing next to her is none other than William Gacy, a few months before he was arrested as a serial killer and cannibal of those he’d butchered. Are we to draw certain conclusions from this photo?

Below Rosalynn Carter is another photo, this one showing then President George Bush being hobnobbed by political has-been George Wallace and by young political wannabe Bill Clinton. What conclusions can be drawn from this? Was George already then grooming Billy Boy for higher things in life? Or is it merely more photographic evidence of how wannabes crawl up the ladder of personal and career advancement? For it is clear that the rich and/or famous, like Rosalynn Carter and Prince Andrew, have to put up with photo ops, sometimes to their later discredit.

Very little about the Epstein case makes sense – not his social and financial connections and especially not his alleged links with the Mossad. Every rich Jew in the US is sayanim, but that doesn’t mean they are running blackmail ops. And the pedo accusations are ridiculous. His ‘victims’, none of whom were less than 16 (legal to marry in most European countries and many American states) were willing, well paid and well taken care of gals who got lucky to catch a good-looking sugar daddy. Whatever he knew about his rich and famous clients that may have gotten him killed may have had something to do with what he knew about them, sure. He probably shared his largesse with his friends and possible donors and contributors. But if he had been sexually blackmailing them over the years, why did they keep going back to him?

The blackmail angle doesn’t make sense. It makes more sense that a lot of famous people may have preferred him dead to testifying about his activities. Who, famous or not famous, would want to get dragged through the mud by the overzealous New Puritan prosecution teams that had already destroyed the lives of innocent defendants of sexual accusations like Jerry Sandusky and Larry Nasser, as well as hundreds of others in the past decades of America’s sexual abuse/devil worship hysteria. The Pizzagate fiasco is a demonstration of how mobs can be raised, aimed and defused by an orchestrated media campaign.

From what I see of Epstein’s photos, he was an intelligent, good lucking, confident, fun loving guy. If he was nailing more hot chicks than I ever did, more power to him.

Another motivation for the liquidation of Epstein’s empire is the collaboration between the media and the unknown figures behind the scenes who are likely to walk away with Epstein’s millions. Are you familiar with the story of Howard Hughes and the destruction of his Las Vegas empire? It happened to him. Something similar has happened in the past few years to other wealthy Jews like Donald Sterling, who was first falsely accused of being a racist and then forced to relinquish his ownership of an NBA team. Other examples? Richard Fuld of Lehmann Bros. and Bernie Madoff were taken down by their Wall Street rivals and then used as scapegoats to expiate the sins of corporate raiders. Harvey Weinstein was the sacrificial schwein to absolve the sick Hollywood culture. Now that Weinstein has been destroyed, Hollywood can go back to business as usual.

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But what about the intimidation faced by hundreds of girls victimized on Epstein’s private island? Why do they claim to be afraid of retribution even after his death? The girls were treated well. They admit that they cooperated in finding more girls who would massage Epstein, even supposedly knowing that they too would be ‘horribly abused’ by the ‘monster’. The reporters and the interviewed women are perfect examples of New Puritans. I feel dirty after watching them perform. None of their emotional anecdotes reach evidentiary standards and any court would dismiss their cases out of hand.

As for the source of Epstein’s fortune, here is a plausible investigation. It is interesting that no one can really agree on the amount nor the source of his millions.

Justice, or what is passing under that name, gets screwed whenever the law is used to empower a person with a personal grudge, either on his own behalf or to benefit a media consortium. Emotional appeals could never been considered in the better world of Jefferson, Lincoln and Washington. Perhaps they had slaves, but they would not have condemned a man, free or slave, on the basis of empty accusations. Physical evidence is still required in the legal courts. Only on TV can people be destroyed by edited testimony.

I am very tolerant of anti-Jewish rhetoric. So tolerant that I am often accused of it myself. Still, the accusations against Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and let’s not forget poor Mr Harvey Weinstein, are often marked by cliché characters such as the crass foul-mouthed Jew and the innocent girl he despoils. Meanwhile, the facts of each case are monotonously repeated: one man’s career is destroyed while dozens of girls become famous; millions of dollars are suddenly difficult to track and soon begin to evaporate; the man is demonized and the women are sainted.

Can the New Puritanism overturn the Jews and their unstoppable juggernaut cry of antisemitism? Leo Frank was lynched by the mob and the ADL was formed to make sure it never happened again, no matter what the crime. Is New Puritanism the new mob violence? Perhaps mob violence is the only way our rulers can overwhelm the paralyzing effects of being called antisemitic. Perhaps the New Puritanism is an opening salvo in a larger war between shadow forces.

But I could never believe that Maxwell and Epstein were connected with the Israeli Intelligence agency, the Mossad. With all my sympathy to our esteemed colleagues Philip Giraldi and Whitney Webb, there is not a single shred of evidence for such connection. Conjecture, yes; evidence, no. Even the father of Ghislaine, the late Mr Maxwell, who was not a saintly person by any means, might be with better evidence accused of collaborating with Soviet Intelligence, the KGB, than with the Israelis. A person of his standing probably connected with Israelis, too, but he was no Mossad agent.

I can understand my American friends. There never was a time worse for American men, when the statues and memorials of their great ancestors have been uprooted, when their wives and daughters are queuing to press their pink lips upon the boots of black ghetto dwellers, when their manhood is defined as “toxic” and their sons are dreaming of a same-sex union with a glorious black buck. If the US were occupied by the Communists as Amerika envisaged, it wouldn’t be as bad as what you’ve got now. You have been humiliated thoroughly. I understand that in such a situation you might jump at the chance to break the bones of rich Liberal Jews like Epstein and Weinstein. I wouldn’t refuse you this comfort. They are anyway already lynched.

However, if you want ever to walk free, you’d better deal with the New Puritan takeover. Women are wonderful creatures, but often they can be manipulated and do what they are asked to do. They are also excellent actors and are not troubled by honour. Men are more independent and solitary by nature; that is why our Masters want to suppress masculinity. It is easier to shepherd a flock of cows than so many bulls. Women love to be the victims, to blame men for their failings; add social distance and fear of viral infection; add the mask (the New Western Burka); add lockdown, and the problem of how to send the children to school might just solve itself. No children. The New Puritans are currently purging Hollywood of the most relentlessly heterosexual men, but when they run out of rich Jews, they just might come after you.

The New Normal is the New Puritan. The pandemic fit into it tight as a glove. Under millions of cameras and tracing applications, privacy shrinks and disappears. New Puritanism erases the gap between public and private realms. In the world we knew, there was a difference between the twain. A man having an affair with a woman (or with another man) was in a private realm. Do whatever you wish in privacy of your home; just don’t frighten the horses, Victorians once said. Now there can be no privacy. Sex is already more of a political opinion than a physical act. You might be lionized as a homosexual or despised as a breeder, your choice. Any affair, or even the attempt to start an affair could be deadly in the post #MeToo world. In an era of socialized medicine, sex is seen as a dangerous weakness that might endanger lives and imperil the global healthcare system.

Much of the severity of New Puritanism can be sourced directly to American culture. America was founded by the Old Puritans of Mayflower in 1620 and has periodically been subject to hysterical outbursts, from witches to Red scares. Nowhere has the use of sex for advertising and commerce been so widely spread as in the US. As the US has become the model for the world, an epidemic of American hysteria is starting to infect countries all around the world. #MeToo reached even Russia, but it is still only a minor phenomenon, mainly to be found among only the most woke of hipsters.

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Orwell imagined a future of “state-enforced repression and celibacy” while Huxley predicted “deliberate, narcotising promiscuity”. The New Puritans have chosen Orwell’s world. I grew up in something more akin to Huxley’s, and I can tell you which one is better. Communist Russia was very permissive in the private sphere. People had a lot of sex, with their girl/boy friends, with spouses, with neighbours, with wives of their friends, with their colleagues, with their teachers and students. The Soviets had none of the restrictions we have now against sexual relations in the University between teachers and students; in fact, no restrictions against sex with coworkers, something that now we would call abusive and then call the police. As religion had little influence in Soviet society, adultery was frequent, and unless connected with a public scandal, had no consequences.

Russians as well as the French could not understand why Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky made waves in the US that blew into an impeachment trial and ended with the bombardment of Belgrade. Bill was unfaithful to Hillary? That’s not nice, but it is their private affair. President Clinton lied? Well, he was not in the confession booth. Traditional religions, be it Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, are quite tolerant of venial sin. Puritanism, the Old as well as its New offspring are deadly serious in everything, and are unafraid of killing or bullying a sinner to death. They may have begun with witches, but they are ending up targeting ordinary folk.

Currently their targets have a lot of wampum, for it is no fun to bully a person for no material gain. Us, impecunious men, we have nothing to be afraid of yet. But it might be wise to save society before the New Puritans bring down disaster onto all of us. In my opinion, America’s influence on the world should be reversed, or at least limited. Let America get influenced by Europe for a change. Mercifully, Europe is suffering from a very light case of New Puritanism that may be entirely cured with a healthy dose of Anti-Americanism. I hear the vaccine is under development.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. Svevlad says:

    Nordoids are the most totalitarian people – it’s just that they are told to be woke

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  2. anon[501] • Disclaimer says:

    Picture two is not proof, it’s illustration. In fact Cord Meyer recruited Clinton as a Rhodes scholar at Oxford, feathered his wife’s nest with a ridiculous bonanza of commodity trading top-ticks, then appointed Bill to run the CIA covert ops slush fund at Mena airfield. That picture is junior secret agent Bill Clinton at the office picnic with his big boss the DCI.

    As for picture number one, I’ll be forever grateful for the heartwarming thought that Rosalyn also puts on a clown costume, handcuffs boys, buttfucks them, strangles them, and buries them in the crawlspace.

    • Agree: Notsofast
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  3. Virtually all you wrote is true but with “Very little about the Epstein case makes sense – not his social and financial connections and especially not his alleged links with the Mossad” you seem to have quite deliberately blown your cover as another lying judaizer to those who think Jews are normally incapable of true conversion and that your role in creation is to show what bad is compared to good.

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  4. @Jack McArthur

    Indeed, it appears so: a very incisive first half of the article, describing a real phenomenon (used to manipulate public opinion and society) seems designed to drop the Epstein turd into.

    Epstein is no Puritan witch hunt: Robert Maxwell gets something akin to a state funeral in Israel, his daughter pimps for guy who uses lavish Wexner money for beehives of celebrities into which a steady supply of young female flesh is injected and this guy is telling us we just need to relax a bit.

    Israel Shamir is being dishonest here.

    • Replies: @chris
  5. ” then First Lady of the US. Standing next to her is none other than William Gacy, a few months before he was arrested as a serial killer and cannibal of those he’d butchered. Are we to draw certain conclusions from this photo?”

    Yes. That she wasn’t to his taste.

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  6. Thanks, Israel. Well reasoned and well presented. Although some or many may not agree with you, it’s refreshing to read a straight forward exposition. At least you’re laying it out there for others to take a crack at it.

    “Women are wonderful creatures, but often they can be manipulated and do what they are asked to do. They are also excellent actors and are not troubled by honour.

    I’ve never met a woman who wasn’t a bald-faced liar about anything that concerned her personally. (And no, I’m not an Incel. Far from it)

    “Much of the severity of New Puritanism can be sourced directly to American culture. America was founded by the Old Puritans of Mayflower in 1620 and has periodically been subject to hysterical outbursts, from witches to Red scares.”

    So true. The country was settled by all manner of religious zealots, each and every one of them forming some sort of utopian colony here–almost all of which went down in flames.

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  7. Dumbo says:

    The Old Puritanism was hard on women; the witches were burned, and the whores were evicted from their homes. The New Puritanism is hard on men.

    Well, it is particularly hard on “beta” men. Their idea is basically to let “alphas” have harems but all other men to become incels or worse. Just look at this guy, punished for visiting a whore (in their view anyone who pays for sex is by definition not an alpha, so it makes sense to punish johns but allow or even celebrate whores)

    Yes, Feminism is a kind of inverted puritanism. But being hard on sluts and whore makes sense if you want to preserve society’s order and families. Feminist rules against men only help to destroy society.

    So there’s a very big difference between the Old Puritanism and the New Puritanism.

    From what I see of Epstein’s photos, he was an intelligent, good lucking, confident, fun loving guy. If he was nailing more hot chicks than I ever did, more power to him.

    Come on. No one knows how this guy made money. For all purposes he was a nobody. Yet he was seen with Elon Musk, Woody Allen, Trump, Clinton, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, anyone who was “someone” dined with him and maybe one of his girls. There’s something very fishy about this. I don’t know, maybe he and Maxwell were just the preferred pimp of the elites, or maybe there’s something else. Robert Maxwell (Ghislaine’s dad) was an Israeli spy and a media magnate, just that is very suspicious.

    I mean, of course I don’t trust the little whore Giuffre (whoever trusts whores or actresses, but I repeat myself, is an idiot). But there is something very strange and rotten about Epstein and the fact that he met with almost everybody in the so-called elite.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  8. Dumbo says:

    Nicola Sturgeon, Salmond’s successor

    Salmon(d) and Sturgeon? Who was the next one, Sardine?

  9. Much of this article makes sense, though I can’t buy the defense of Epstein and Maxwell. It’s absurd to call him a “pedophile” as many journalists do. He was a pimp for the Deep State’s extortion racket.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  10. Thanks for this. I have been criticized by many for observing holes in the narrative and objecting to trial by media.
    I have, since the start of the last Epstein narrative questioned the “intelligence” connection. Not because it wasn’t possible, rather that Virginia Roberts narrative about escaping was implausible. If Epstein was doing his alleged blackmail routine for Mossad or any other intelligence service, Roberts would have been suicided long ago. Loose ends like that are a danger to the operation.
    That doesn’t mean that Epstein wasn’t diddling underage girls nor does it mean that Maxwell wasn’t recruiting girls to massage Epstein. In Maxwell’s case, she may, or may not have known Epstein was diddling them as alleged. I have yet to see a reasonable explanation of how these underage girls got passports without parental consent, and if they did, who was the guarantor? Apparently, all of these accusers had parents who were uninterested in their underage daughters traveling with a male more than twice their age, on his private jet.
    As for Weinstein, Shirley Temple’s mother complained people in the studio were trying to get into her daughter’s pants and she had to be vigilant. Marilyn Monroe, on marrying Joe DiMaggio, is reported to have said that she`d never have to suck another cock. The casting couch stories have been rampant for as long as I have been alive, yet I am supposed to believe that none of Weinstein`s accusers knew that it was the price of admission. That does not mean I approve of taking advantage of women, that has always been done in many ways. Post war turned millions of German and Italian women into prostitutes, for occupying soldiers, in order to feed themselves and their families. Apparently that was ok, but young actresses being turned into millionaires is not.

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  11. Anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Not true at all, the majority of people who settled the USA were regular Anglos, especially in the South.

    And Anglo DNA is something like 25% of the USA. This country is full of immigrants from other stocks, and you know what? They are far more likely to be Democrat-voting liberals, while the Anglo Americans are more likely to be rural Republicans who think things like MeToo and BLM are crazy.

    Get a new theory.

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  12. anon[313] • Disclaimer says:

    If the US were occupied by the Communists as Amerika envisaged, it wouldn’t be as bad as what you’ve got now.

    Yes, the Commie occupiers had the good sense to execute the entire US Congress.

  13. sarz says:

    What a total crock of shit. I have long maintained that Shamir is Mossad and a pretend convert to Christianity. This is the guy who argued with passion that those who say that Muslims did not do 9/11 are depriving them of credit for their rare success. It’s nevertheless surprising to see him cashing in his chips in such a stupid and lazy way. It’s in fact so stupid that it brings to mind Gordon Duff, himself an intelligence figure, alerting me to the hugely disparate quality of Shamir emissions with the explanation that the persona “Israel Shamir” is the work of a committee. It looks like desperate times for the big Jews. The big satanic game—implicating the Rothschilds, the British royals, and a whole gaggle of Jews and crypto-Jews including Trump and Bill Gates, and all their attendant goys such as the Clintons—could all fall apart.

    Israel Adam pretend-Christian Shamir, who is Moloch and why was there a temple to him on Epstein’s island?

    Anyone who finds Shamir’s protestations of Jewish innocence plausible need look no farther than Maria Farmer’s interview with Whitney Webb. Maria doesn’t mention Moloch, but she keeps wondering what happened to all those girls. Thousands seem to have just disappeared.

    • Agree: Parsnipitous
    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
    , @Druid
  14. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:

    innocent defendants of sexual accusations like Jerry Sandusky and Larry Nasser,

    I agree with most of the article, but do you have any proof that Jerry Sandusky and Larry Nasser are innocent?

    Prince Andrew fooling around with a consenting 17 year old does not compare with what Jerry Sandusky and Larry Nasser were accused and convicted of doing.

  15. @Anon

    How much have you seen, first hand, of America? The East Coast and Midwest is littered with former religious communes. Okay, I may have indulged in a little hyperbole, but nevertheless, there were a lot of them. And I don’t know what you’re going on about Democrats, Anglos and such. Seems off topic to me.

    From Wiki

    [MORE]

    Name Location Founder Founding date Ending date Notes
    Old Economy Village Pennsylvania George Rapp 1824 1906 A Harmonites Village. The Harmony Society is a Christian theosophy and pietist society founded in Iptingen, Germany, in 1785.
    Nashoba Tennessee Frances Wright 1825 (BBC) 1828 (BBC) An abolitionist, free-love community. (LEP)
    New Harmony Indiana Robert Owen 1825 1829 Harmonites Village
    New Philadelphia Colony Pennsylvania Bernhard Müller[1] 1832 1833 A libertarian socialist community
    Oberlin Colony Ohio John J. Shipherd and 8 immigrant families[1] 1833 1843 Community based on Communal ownership of property[1]
    Brook Farm Massachusetts George Ripley
    Sophia Ripley 1841 1846 A Transcendent community. Transcendentalism is a religious and cultural philosophy based in New England.
    North American Phalanx New Jersey Charles Sears 1841 1856 A Fourier Society community. The Fourier Society is based on the ideas of Charles Fourier, a French philosopher.
    Hopedale Community[2] Massachusetts Adin Ballou 1842 1868 A community based on “Practical Christianity”, which included ideas such as temperance, abolitionism, Women’s rights, spiritualism and education.[3]
    Fruitlands Massachusetts Amos Alcott 1843 1844 A Transcendent community.
    Skaneateles Community New York Society for Universal Inquiry 1843 1846 A Society for Universal Inquiry and Reform community.
    Sodus Bay Phalanx New York Sodus Bay Fourierists 1844 1846 A Fourier Society community.
    Wisconsin Phalanx[4] Wisconsin Albert Brisbane[5] 1844 1850 A Fourier Society community.[4]
    Clermont Phalanx Ohio Followers of Charles Fourier 1844 1845 A Fourier Society community.
    Prairie Home Community Ohio John O. Wattles[1]
    Valentine Nicholson[1] 1844 1845 A Society for Universal Inquiry and Reform community.
    Fruit Hills Ohio Orson S. Murray[1] 1845 1852 A community based on Owenism and anarchism.[1] Maintained close contact with the Kristeen and Grand Prairie Communities.
    Kristeen Community Indiana Charles Mowland[1] 1845 1847 Founded by Charles Mowland and others who had previously been associated with the Prairie Home Community.[1] A Society for Universal Inquiry and Reform community.
    Bishop Hill Colony Illinois Eric Jansson 1846 1862 A Swedish Pietist religious commune.
    Spring Farm Colony Wisconsin 6 Fourierite Families[1] 1846 1848 A Fourier Society community.
    Oneida Community New York John H. Noyes 1848 1880 A Utopian socialism community. Oneida Community practices included Communalism, Complex Marriage, Male Continence, Mutual Criticism and Ascending Fellowship.
    Icarians Louisiana, Texas,
    Nauvoo, Illinois,
    Iowa, Missouri, California Étienne Cabet 1848 1898 A group of egalitarian communes based on the French utopian movement, founded by Étienne Cabet, after led his followers to the United States.
    Amana Colonies Iowa the Community of True Inspiration 1850s 1932 The Amana villages were built one hour apart when traveling by ox cart. Each village had a church, a farm, multi-family residences, workshops and communal kitchens. The communal system continued until 1932.
    Raritan Bay Union New Jersey Marcus Spring
    Rebecca Buffum 1853 1858 A Fourier Society community.[1]
    Aurora Colony Oregon William Keil 1853 1883 Christian utopian community
    Free Lovers at Davis House Ohio Francis Barry[5] 1854 1858 A community based on Free love and spiritualism.[5]
    Reunion Colony Texas Victor P. Considerant 1855 1869 A utopian socialism community.
    Octagon City Kansas Henry S. Clubb
    Charles DeWolfe
    John McLaurin 1856 1857 Originally built as a vegetarian colony.
    Workingmen’s Co-operative Colony (Llewellyn Castle)[6] Kansas followers of James Bronterre O’Brien 1869 1874 A community based on the political reform philosophy of Chartist James Bronterre O’Brien.
    Danish Socialist Colony[7] Kansas Louis Pio 1877 1877 A utopian socialist community
    Shalam Colony New Mexico John B. Newbrough
    Andrew Howland 1884 1901 A community in which members would live peaceful, vegetarian lifestyles, and where orphaned urban children were to be raised.
    Home, Washington Washington George H. Allen
    Oliver A. Verity
    B. F. O’Dell 1895 1919 An intentional community based on anarchist philosophy
    Nucla Colorado Colorado Cooperative Company 1896 Established following the Panic of 1893. Originally called Piñon.[8][9]
    1900s
    This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries.
    Name Location Founder Founding date Ending date Notes
    Arden Village Delaware Frank Stephens
    Will Price 1900 Currently Active An art colony founded as a Georgist single-tax art community.
    Zion, Illinois Illinois John Alexander Dowie 1900 1907 A Utopian Christian religious community, reorganized following fraud allegations and founder’s death into modern city.
    East Wind Community Ozark County, Missouri unknown 1973 present A secular and democratic community in which members hold all communities assets in common.
    Equality Colony Washington Norman W. Lermond
    Ed Pelton 1900 1907 Socialist Colony
    Fairhope Single Tax Corporation, Fairhope, AL Alabama Fairhope Industrial Association 1894 currently still in operation Fairhope was first settled in 1894 by Georgist. The Single tax experiment was incorporated as the Fairhope Single Tax Corporation under Alabama law in 1904. The municipality of Fairhope was incorporated in 1908.[10]
    The Farm (Tennessee) Lewis County, Tennessee Stephen Gaskin 1971 present Hippie Buddhist-inspired vegetarian community. De-collectivized in 1983.
    Freeland Association Washington Dissident members of the Equality Colony 1900 1906[5] A socialist commune. The first settlers dissident members of the nearby Equality Colony.[11] While the Freeland Association dissolved in 1906[5] the census-designated place (CDP) of Freeland, Washington continues to exist.
    Post Texas C.W. Post 1907 now Post, Texas
    Llano del Rio California Job Harriman 1914 1918 Unbuilt project by architect and planner Alice Constance Austin with strong emphasis on shared domestic work
    Twin Oaks Virginia 1967 currently active

  16. Chris Moore says: • Website

    I have long maintained that Shamir is Mossad and a pretend convert to Christianity. This is the guy who argued with passion that those who say that Muslims did not do 9/11 are depriving them of credit for their rare success. It’s nevertheless surprising to see him cashing in his chips in such a stupid and lazy way.

    It’s hard to imagine an authentic Christian would defend the deep state and Zionist Hebrew pedophile operative Epstein. Hebrew-supremacist blood is thicker than any ideology, I guess. His big Hebrew ego just can’t let go of it’s delusions of being forged by sacred, primeval forces. I’m sure a rat would have a huge ego if it could speak, too.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  17. Anonymous[247] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, the anti-Semitic trope of the Jew despoiling the innocent. The only stereotype I can read here is that of the eternal victim. So Madoff didn’t steal millions from elderly pensioners. And Epstein wasn’t linked to the former head of Israeli intelligence or invest in security companies run by former Unit 8200 types. And Wexner (of Mega Group) didn’t gift him a multimillion dollar surveillance lair. And Maxwell was trolling the parking lot of Groton School and Philips Andover after the kiddies got released from their chemistry AP test, not preying on broken girls from broken homes. F#ck you Shamir.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Chet Roman
  18. Leo Frank was lynched by the mob

    He had murdered the girl, don’t forget, and had been convicted by the courts, despite a protracted and lavishly financed Jewish effort to pin the crime on a Black man who had not committed it. The mob dragged Frank out of prison and lynched him only after his death sentence had been commuted by the Governor of Georgia.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
    , @sarz
    , @Alden
  19. Beb says:

    Sir, you have the touch! A most amusing article.

    • Replies: @sarz
  20. @traducteur

    Some people deserve lynching. “Was lynched” is not a synonym of “innocent”.

    • Replies: @sarz
    , @Wally
    , @Pop Warner
  21. sarz says:
    @traducteur

    He had murdered the girl, don’t forget…

    All of us regulars at Unz Review know fully well that speaking of Leo Frank being lynched by the mob as the main story just won’t do. Whoever is handling the Israel Shamir persona at Herzliya these days doesn’t have all that much interest in what Ron and others here have been discussing.

  22. sarz says:
    @Beb

    Who are you, Beb, and why are you saying such silly stuff?

  23. Here is additional support for Shamir’s take on Epstein’s primary accuser –
    ”Virginia Roberts…. claimed to have met him when she was fifteen and to have been forced to work as his sex slave. In reality, she was seventeen, which is still below the age of consent in Florida, but does materially alter her claim that she had sex with Prince Andrew when she was under age because the age of consent in England is sixteen, something of which she was almost certainly unaware….

    Among her lurid claims, many of which are demonstrably false, she admits she recruited other, genuinely underage girls for Epstein, yet she has been given a free pass on this. Roberts travelled to Thailand on Epstein’s dollar, and while there she had a change of heart, breaking with him. She experienced no adverse consequences for this. Now she is back, regretting her past, sordid life and eager to cash in on it. In what sense can this woman be claimed to be a victim?”
    https://theduran.com/victim-narratives-in-the-news/?ml_subscriber=1479058990255051922&ml_subscriber_hash=i0d9&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the_duran_daily&utm_term=2020-08-02

  24. Edward J.Epstein, a long time investigative journalist including on the JFK assassination, recently published his own angle on the sources of Jeffrey Epstein’s riches, and they have nothing to do with sexual blackmail –

    “An extremely savvy financier and philanthropist told me after Epstein’s death about a proposition Epstein had once made him: that he could save more than $40 million in US taxes if he gave him $100 million to manage.

    Epstein claimed the money would be concealed in a maze of offshore non-profits he controlled so that part of the profits would be transferred to the financier’s own philanthropic foundation, with the balance retained offshore and out of the reach of the taxman.

    When the financier told him that the scheme amounted to illicit tax evasion, Epstein said it was highly unlikely the Internal Revenue Service would unravel it, and, if it did, he would protect the financier from any criminal exposure.

    The financier asked him how? Epstein said the financier would have to sign over the funds to him, thus giving him total discretion over where and how the money was invested. This piece of paper, he said, would provide an alibi to the US tax authorities.

    The financier turned down Epstein’s proposition, but others – Arab princes, Russian oligarchs and those interested in hiding some part of their wealth – might have accepted it.

    Indeed, shortly before his arrest last year, Epstein told an associate that he was going into the business of hiding funds for billionaires who were contemplating divorcing their wives – for a hefty commission, of course.

    He also claimed to be in the final stages of buying a property in Morocco, one of four countries in the world not to have an extradition treaty with the US.

    So perhaps the mystery of Epstein’s fortune is not how he made his millions, but to whom the money ultimately belongs.

    Many very powerful people may have had cause to rue Epstein’s incarceration on sex charges – and, given the fact that they were hiding their assets from the authorities, it’s highly unlikely they will ever publicly come forward to try to recover their investments.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8537413/EDWARD-JAY-EPSTEIN-investigates-seemingly-unsolvable-mystery-Jeffrey-Epstein-fortune.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

  25. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    The column seems intended to discomfit and/or discredit as many different people around here as possible. (I just checked Wikipedia to see how Mr. Multiname is being curated these days, and noticed that the first of the “RELATED ARTICLES” is Gilad Atzmon.) The oddest yet from this website’s oddest writer.

    • Disagree: Aristotle1
  26. hobo says:

    ” Even the father of Ghislaine, the late Mr Maxwell,… might be with better evidence accused of collaborating with Soviet Intelligence, the KGB, than with the Israelis. ”

    Of course. This makes perfect sense. It explains why the Israeli’s gave him a state funeral attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, and “no less than six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence” ….. because, after all, he was KGB………Right.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  27. @Anonymous

    What proof is there to acquit Larry Nasser and Jerry Sandusky? A better question is – What evidence did the courts accept as proof that Nasser sexually abused hundreds of girls, and that Sandusky raped and sexually abused dozens of boys. In Nasser’s case, he is accused of vaginally penetrating gymnasts during their therapeutic treatments. This is true. Nasser was using a pelvic massage therapy that had been successfully used by many doctors and therapists for at least two decades and approved by medical boards as standard treatment. Also, many of the accusations were made by girls whose parents were present during the massage treatments. The girls and their parents claimed that Nasser blocked their sight with his body to prevent them from seeing what he was doing to their daughters. Read any of MSM articles about the case and you’ll see how specious and exaggerated the claims are. E.g. – (https://eu.indystar.com/story/news/2018/01/25/heres-what-larry-nassar-actually-did-his-patients/1065165001/)
    Three girls claimed he was sexually aroused during their treatments. Could not such an accusation be hurled at any male doctor treating his mostly naked female patients? The only accusation against Nasser than can be proven is the finding of nude images of young girls on his computer. But prior to his arrest, his instructional videos of treatments were posted on YouTube. The MSM does not make clear how many of his private instructional videos were among the ‘many images’ found on his computer.
    The Sandusky case is even more dubious, in large part because of the pressuring tactics on the young witnessed used by over zealous police prosecutors. Even one of Sandusky’s legally adopted sons was turned by them a few days prior to court hearing. At least one of the witnesses testified to being abused along with other boys in the cellar of Sandusky’s home while his wife was in the house. That should have made her an accessory to child abuse. But the prosecution never filed a case against her. Unlike in the Nasser case, a number of public figures have come forward in Sandusky’s defence. The most active is John Ziegler who maintains a website full of articles showing that the case against Sandusky and Penn State was and is a sham and money grab. (http://johnziegler.com/)
    There is also the well known author Mark Pendergrast who wrote a book on the case. Here are links to two video interviews of both –

  28. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I had assumed Sandusky was guilty until Shamir mentioned the case as part of his “Men are Pigs” analysis. Even as sensitized as I am to fake news, I still assumed Sandusky was guilty. However, there’s no proof beyond what you hear on the news. We start with the accusations and end with the prison sentence. Nice and neat. All the news must now be subjected to the “smell test”: does it make sense? The Sandusky story does not make sense. People witnessed it and said nothing. Does that sound reasonable?

    If you know any ex-athletes you will have heard stories about coaches having sex with underage kids. It seems likely that Nassar was sacrificed to atone for all the sex abuse that happens in kids sports. Now that he is destroyed then child sporting can go back to business as usual because the monster was vanquished. Note that the Nassar story could have been spun to criticize the families who hand their children over to strangers, or to attack child sports in general. But it wasn’t. It was aimed directly at one man, and when he was gone the story was gone. That makes him the sacrificial lamb.

    On the other hand, the Sandusky story was immediately expanded into the Pedo Rings story, indicating it was part of this long term project.

  29. @Mike Robeson

    &utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the_duran_daily&utm_term=2020-08-02

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter!

    No, seriously. Are people still clicking links in their mail?

  30. This use of “Puritan” as a swear-word looks simplistic, beyond simplistic, to me. Like brain-washed Americans using “Socialist” as a swear-word in just the same way.

    They might have been bible-fundamentalists, they might have been creationists, they might have thought the world was flat, but was every witch ever burned in Germany burned by Puritans? Was witchcraft a solely Puritan fantasy? The first ever mention of a witch was by them?

    But thanks for reminding me of the mad hatter. I’ll get a copy of Alice In Wonderland and compare it with what you write.

    PS PC has a very different origin, a different so-called religion.

  31. @Mike Robeson

    “A good friend has sent me a copy of a CIA monograph published in October, 1993. It was obtained under the JFK Act in November, 2003. The document is written by Cleveland C. Cram, who worked for the CIA between 1949 and 1975, eventually serving as Chief of Station in Europe and the Western Hemisphere. Cram was a member of the CIA’s Center for the Study of Intelligence (CSI). Established in February 1975 as an in-house think tank, its publications were used for in-service training. The document is entitled “Of Moles and Molehunters: A Review of Counterintelligence Literature”. Cram looks at the reliability of information found in books about the American and British intelligence agencies. It is in fact very revealing as it looks at the sources that the authors used and the conclusions they came to in their books…..

    Cram is particularly critical of the work of Edward J. Epstein (Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald and Deception: The Invisible War Between the KGB and the CIA). Cram makes it clear that Epstein, working with James Angleton, was part of a disinformation campaign. Cram writes: “Legend… gave Angleton and his supporters an advantage by putting their argument adroitly – if dishonestly – before the public first. Not until David Martin responded with Wilderness of Mirrors was an opposing view presented coherently.”
    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/5195-edward-j-epstein-legend-the-secret-world-of-lee-harvey-oswald/#comments

    “JFK Assassination ~ Edward J Epstein Not a Shred of Conspiracy”

    • Thanks: Kali
  32. @Mike Robeson

    And this excuses Prince Andrew for fucking teenagers how? A man born into royalty with every advantage but apparently unable to handle actual mature women. So that makes it cool for him to partake of sleazy Jeff’s procured girls?

    No decent guy thinks of doing stuff like that. If that’s what having money does to men, I’ll happily remain relatively poor.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  33. ivan says:

    Thanks Mr Shamir. What you wrote sounds about right. I do not like the fact that rich and powerful men got their way with young girls. But this has been the way of the world since time immemorial. It was all done in the open, and for decades, right under the noses of the NYT. But neither they nor the New Puritans thought it fit to investigate, since their focus was elsewhere, namely to tame the Catholic Church through grinding it in the pedophile mill over alleged crimes largely committed in the 70s. Only now that the Pavlovian Dog known as Public Opinion can’t get any further stimulus from allegations concerning the Papists, they have turned to Epstein and the Jews with a Royal thrown in instead. But at the end of it, it would make no difference to the men, women and children trafficked for sex, since the New Puritans would have turned their focus elsewhere. And for what it is worth I don’t think this a Mossad operation either. I mean how good are these guys? And is it not the responsibility of politicians holding or aspiring to high office to keep themselves clear of such people and places?

  34. You’re right, you lost my sympathy with this robust defense of Jeffrey Epstein. I appreciate that it’s good to be skeptical of what is reported as well as of the mob mentality but there is no real defense of this guy based on what I’ve seen and heard over the past two years.

    All of his residences with surveillance cameras covering every room.

    The source of his money being very murky.

    His willingness to share his paid-for harem with the most powerful and connected. Out of the goodness of his heart? No.

    The 100% implausible jail suicide.

    Isn’t that enough red flags?

    Even swine like Bret Kavanaugh deserve to not be lynched but Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaineare in a whole other rarefied class of scum. Why bother to make excuses for them? Do you really believe that Trump wished Maxwell well out of magnanimity? More like he’s hoping that none of their dirt on him will see daylight.

    • Replies: @ivan
  35. Puerile puritans or Pueritans

  36. sarz says:

    Xymphora is also having none of it. (It’s an indication of Ron Unz’s good editorial judgment that Shamir’s article is not listed on the main page.)

    Xymphora (from the website) :

    “The New Puritans” (Shamir). Besides being completely clueless about #metoo – it’s about power relationships, not flirting – he has a list of completely innocent people: Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nasser, Donald Sterling, Richard Fuld, Bernie Madoff and, of course, Harvey Weinstein, goyim. Then he tell us that the Mossad has nothing to do with Epstein-Maxwell. I’m starting to think Shamir’s history of being an ‘anti-Semite’ was just producing credibility for this important career-defining moment when the operations of the Mossad and the MEGA Group required protection.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  37. As clear and intelligent as ever. “It is easier to shepherd a flock of cows than so many bulls”.

    I suspect the Epstein ring may be linked to Mossad. It is clearly some sort of Jewish influencing network so seems like an Israeli soft power operation. Having said that Shamir is spot on about all the pearl-clutching even by sensible alt-right figures.

  38. ivan says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    Stupid idiot. What did Kavanaugh do at sixteen that other boys his age did not?

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  39. Given what happens daily in Sweden, it would seem the only thing Roberto did wrong was to have a family that came from the wrong side of the Med.

    • Replies: @Alden
  40. President Clinton lied? Well, he was not in the confession booth.

    Clinton lied under oath in a deposition submitted in a judicial proceeding. He also coached other witnesses to support his story. These were crimes more serious than any that could have been charged against Nixon, who was hounded out of office. Clinton took serious charges and spun them into a story of a harmless peccadillo. Utter brilliance. And while the Judge in the case tried to sweep these actual crimes under the rug as immaterial to the case, it nevertheless cost the President his law licence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  41. How a society views sexuality has a tremendous influence on it’s long-term structure and stability.

    I do not agree that the Epstein/MOSSAD-blackmail angle makes no sense, but I think that Mr. Shamir makes some good points. Excessively strict public morals is a ripe breeding ground for sanctimonious hypocrisy, and hidden rot, and can have frigthening consequences, and it would not surprise me to learn that the damnable Jesuit Order has a hidden yet decisive influence on this “New Puritanism” that the article traces the tentative outlines of.

    On the other hand, too loose sexual morals fosters dissipation – as seen in the lives of highly promiscuous people, or on a larger scale, societies such as Soviet Russia, or various empires after they lost their moral vigour – such as much of contemporary America. Some amount of discipline and self-restraint is needed – this seems to be a moral law of nature.

    These waters call for good personal judgment, fairness and balance, and wisdom.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  42. Today, more of the same in Daily Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/30/former-tory-mp-charlie-elphicke-guilty-sexually-assaulting-two/
    The woman complained that Elphicke sexually assaulted her after inviting her for a drink at his London home in 2007.
    She was in her early 30s and said Elphicke – who had recently become a father for the second time – proceeded to kiss her, grope her breast and then chase her round his house trying to slap her bottom, chanting: “I’m a naughty Tory”.
    The woman came close to selling her story to The Mirror newspaper for £30,000 around a decade later, but instead went to police.
    She broke down as she gave evidence to the court. She cannot be identified for legal reasons. END QUOTE.
    Is not it typical. The guy had a try 14 years ago. Why didn’t she report it to police same day? Why wait for so long? Act now, or forget. She tried to make money of this allegation. Still she can’t be identified for legal reasons. So she can try it again, with another victim who made a pass at her some time or another during last thirty years. This is incredible!

    • Replies: @Kali
  43. I haven’t read the entire article yet, so this comment applies only to its initial part.

    Shamir is not very persuasive. He has the merit of explaining the situation clearly, but, by doing so, he makes his criticism of Swedish law somewhat misdirected. As he explains it, the legal punishment is very mild. The biggest punishment, he tells us, comes from private entities. But doesn’t that imply that, even if that law did not exist, things would happen almost exactly as they did?

    So, the problem, if it exists, is one of societal codes of moral. I, for one, think that Sweden is autonomous to decide which codes of moral are best to itself. It’s not society which reflects the law, but the other way around. It is the law which reflects the wish of the majority of Swedes, which is normal in a healthy democracy.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  44. Kali says:
    @israel shamir

    The woman came close to selling her story to The Mirror newspaper for £30,000 around a decade later, but instead went to police.

    She tried to make money of this allegation.

    This is incredible!

    Indeed!

  45. Anonymous[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    And Clinton bombed an aspirin factory and killed some poor schmuck to take the attention away from his lying.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  46. Bemildred says:

    I don’t find Shamir persuasive either. He has a point, women are not particularly more moral or ethical than men, they need to be watched just like anybody, but OTOH regular witch-hunts for politicians and plutocrats of both genders who cannot resist exploiting their positions financially or keep their hands off the staff could be a good thing, overall.

    He comes across as somebody with skin in the game here too.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Alden
  47. @Anonymous

    This is stated in the quote from Mike Robeson, so it is better he will respond to the items mentioned in his quote (signposted on the webpage). I have too little knowledge about these details.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  48. @Anonymous

    Sure, but Americans … especially American Presidents … are exempted from international laws governing war crimes and crimes against humanity. It’s why they can sanction entire populations with impunity.

    The irony of America bombing an aspirin factory in another country, however, is that much of America’s asprin needs are met with imports.

  49. MarkM66 says:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/LQ8EHCBlm8w/

    This is an interesting analysis. If the data is correct, how much is just bs and how much is actually verifiable?

  50. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @israel shamir

    I have too little knowledge about these details.

    Then why did you write it? And who is your wingman “Mike Robeson”?

    Further indication that you’re a disingenuous weasel and provocateur.

    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
  51. @sarz

    I commented on Xymphora: Regarding the New Puritans: ” Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nasser, Donald Sterling, Richard Fuld, Bernie Madoff and, of course, Harvey Weinstein, goyim.” – these are words of Mike Robeson I quote. It is even signposted as the quote. I hardly know these names (excepting Weinstein). So I think you may correct your post.

    • Replies: @sarz
  52. @ivan

    His horny boyhood is not what I was referring to, Yvonne. Talking about his record with Ken Starr and the “suicide” of Vince Foster.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  53. @ThreeCranes

    I’ve never met a woman who wasn’t a bald-faced liar about anything that concerned her personally.

    They do exist, but they are always at least moderate on the Asperger’s scale.

  54. @Thomas Faber

    Yes. I’m not sure how it is puritanical to not want middle aged rich men to buy the services of even one minor girl for any sexual purposes. I thought that was just a civilized notion of protecting the young.

    I think Shamir is being a bit duplicitous.

    • Agree: Alden
  55. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps now I am going to lose your tentative sympathy, but I do not believe the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein and Ms Ghislaine Maxwell, either. And the attack on Prince Andrew is similarly unbelievable. Chapeau for Mr Trump who dared to express sympathy to Ms Maxwell.

    Trump’s “sympathy” to Maxmossad was political noncommitment. Being a gentleman.

    How clean and uninvolved are Wexner and Ehud?

    You have lost more than sympathy.

  56. @Brás Cubas

    “It’s not society which reflects the law, but the other way around. It is the law which reflects the wish of the majority of Swedes, which is normal in a healthy democracy.
    One of us is an idiot.

  57. @Jefferson Temple

    And this excuses Prince Andrew for fucking teenagers how? A man born into royalty with every advantage but apparently unable to handle actual mature women. So that makes it cool for him to partake of sleazy Jeff’s procured girls?

    Get with the program. Andrew is no different than any other person of fame. There are plenty of women, including teenagers, who are interested in fucking famous people. They are called groupies. At what age does `fucking teenagers` become inexcusable – 21, 25, 30, 50…? Maybe we should ask Mick Jagger.
    Unless you have inside information, his apparent inability to handle actual mature women is conjecture, and open ended. Some women are mature at 20, others are not mature at 50.
    Jeff’s procured girls, beyond them having been employed by him, are unproven allegations. Curious the parents were seemingly disinterested in their daughters traveling with a male more than twice the age of their daughter.

    That does not mean girls were not procured for illicit purposes or that Andrew may be morally bankrupt, regardless of whatever happened between him and Giuffre.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  58. @Mike Robeson

    Even the thoroughly unlikable Dershowitz is begging for the release of all documents around this. He claims Giuffre is hiding stuff and has told several whoppers.
    https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/alan-dershowitz-joins-tucker-carlson-to-respond-to-accusations-in-unsealed-ghislaine-maxwell-documents

    Begging the FBI to investigate would be an odd defense, unless of course there was a fix already in.

    • Replies: @anon
  59. Dumbo says:
    @Chris Moore

    Well, you can leave the religion but you’re still ethnically a Jew. Judaism has two aspects, one religious, one ethnic. So Shamir can’t stop being a Jew (ethnically) anymore than a German or a Spaniard can stop being what they are genetically.

    That said, I disagree with the two main points of the article. One, this is not a “new puritanism”, it’s something else, the comparison is patently false. How “puritan” is modern society if there’s porn everywhere?

    Two, there’s no way to defend Epstein and say that he was just a “normal, rich, intelligent guy”. The guy was, at best, a pervert and a well-connected pimp for politicians (but how did he get there?). At worst…, well, there are many theories and I won’t dwell into that. No way to defend that Jewish scum (sorry, but, he was Jewish, and he was scum).

  60. @Jack McArthur

    It has long been a rumour that Israeli-Russian Israel Shamir is deep Mossad propaganda operative

    Have long suspected, given Shamir’s devotion to the lies about another, clearly Mossad asset, faker Julian Assange

    Assange who has helped the Rothschilds to destroy rival bankers, Assange who gets bail posted by Rothschild relatives, Assange who openly talks of shielding Israel in his ‘leaks’, Assange whose lawyer was thrown under a moving train, apparently when learning Assange was never ‘living’ at the London Ecuador Embassy

    ‘Arrest of Julian Assange is Just Theatre – Assange is a Rothschild-Israeli Operative’
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/04/Julian-Assange-Arrest-is-Theatre.html
    ‘Assange & Snowden are CIA ‘Rat Traps’
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/11/assange-snowden-rat-traps.html

    [MORE]

    But after all, Mossad even has a social media site recruiting Russians to work for them, the pay perhaps OK
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201611141047416484-mossad-russian-social-media/
    Does Israel Shamir have an ID card like this one?

    • Replies: @Thomas Faber
  61. Jake says:

    If the US were occupied by the Communists as Amerika envisaged, it wouldn’t be as bad as what you’ve got now.

    And that’s the horrifying truth. For non-rich white Americans, Stalinism, as evil as it was, would not have been as bad as what we now have under Anglo-Zionist Capitalist Globalism.

  62. Rich says:

    In my Catholic family, putting your hands on a female relatives’ body in any unwanted way, would result in a visit from one of her brothers or cousins and a serious beating. It’s also interesting to see that my old parish priests were right when they spoke about the immorality of the godless communists in that apparently adultery was common and accepted in the Soviet Union.

    The older I get, the more respect I gain for the moral teachings of the Christian Faith, adhering to it will keep any young man out of the trouble Mr Shamir writes about.

    • Agree: Sollipsist
    • Replies: @The Real World
  63. @brabantian

    That Mr. Shamir believes that Assange is legit is hardly evidence for him being a Mossad operative.

    More likely, he is a big-hearted man, who wishes to believe the best about people. This is also what gives his writings their warm quality.

    That it is sometimes the cynical view that is the correct one, and especially so in these days, should not make us too hasty in our judgments.

  64. @Curmudgeon

    Using Mick Jagger as a yardstick for acceptable behavior? Is that really what you meant?

    I’m thinking that at least some of those girls actually were responsible for their choices but under the law, I don’t think they can be held responsible. No character flaw or selfish motive changes the fact that they were minors. A full grown man and woman is a different story. They get the full advantages that society affords to adults as well as the accountability. I don’t care who rich guys want to fuck. If they target my daughter, they’re going to need an ambulance.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  65. sarz says:
    @israel shamir

    You quoted a big passage from Mike Robeson without reservation. So what if it’s signposted as a quote? One assumes from the context that you are endorsing his views. It does make you look ridiculous, and I can understand your subsequent eagerness to dissociate yourself from the quote. But there it is.

  66. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Fix or snake belching fire to deceive.

  67. I don’t think you quite understand Catholics if you think we have a healthy and casual outlook on sex 😀

    (“We” in my case is cultural and geographic history. I haven’t been actually practicing nor even much of a believer for a long time. But the culture tends to stick with you for life, no matter what you do)

    For one thing, we are probably only second to Jews when it comes to being guilt-ridden from birth about sex (among most other things). The jury is still out whether this drives more of us toward sin than away from it. Catholics are infamously indiscriminately promiscuous (Zappa wrote a song about it) and somewhat less good at learning from their mistakes as many others…

    The incidence of priestly abuse may be exaggerated for Puritanical effect, but it’s by no means an unfounded myth; we were joking about altar boys at least as far back as the 70s when I took First Communion. BTW we had a Father Chester and, whatever the truth was, his nickname rhymed…

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  68. Ivan says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    My sincere apologies. I am not upto speed on those.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  69. @anon

    Clinton was in from birth. Who is his daddy? Not the US Army Intelligence officer they tell you about. To get to Oxford (though there is little evidence Bill was ever there, the images are fake) it was because he was already chosen for higher projects, because of his familial connections.

    Bill and Hill graduated with their Yale Law class, despite being absent from Yale for the entire second year of a three year program. No mystery then as to why Hillary could not pass the BAR exam, except in Rockefeller controlled Arkansas.

    The CIA chose Mena, Arkansas to run drugs into the USA. Must of have had some local pull.

    An early image of William Jefferson Clinton seated next to George Herbert Walker Bush may shed light on the Intelligence connections of Bill, besides the two spook schools Yale and Oxford.

    Then there is Hillary’s lesbianism. Why would a supposed hetero male marry a lesbian? Bill did not need her political connections, nor her family connections. Chelsea looks like Bill, not. Possible that Bill’s taste was never a Monica, nor a Hillary, nor a 16 year old Lolita. Bill and Hill, a match made in Langley.

  70. Israel Shamir: “Currently their targets have a lot of wampum, for it is no fun to bully a person for no material gain. Us, impecunious men, we have nothing to be afraid of yet.”

    This isn’t true at all, at least in America, and I suspect it’s the same elsewhere. Here, so-called sexual harassment has been a cause of action since at least the 1980s. As someone who was metooed way back then, before it became a thing, I can tell you that poverty is no guarantee you won’t be targeted. People are scum and really get a kick out of victimizing each other. They’ll do it just for the fun of it. Financial incentives aren’t the cause of this; it’s just the icing on the cake for the so-called victim. Also, there is an absurd culture of chivalry toward women in the matriarchal West that has lingered long past its expiration date, such that a certain type of man enjoys “white knighting” for women who make such claims. For such men, and they are very numerous, all a woman has to do is turn on the water works, start crying and acting hysterical, and she’ll be believed. Often it won’t even take that. From my point of view, when I see guys at the top, like Weinstein and Epstein, having now to deal with it too, I have to confess to a certain degree of shadenfreude. During my own tribulations with this, they were the ones getting away with it, and often even the enforcers and enablers of it.

    I see it as yet another unintended side effect of two fundamental, revolutionary technological changes. These changes were first thought by almost everyone concerned to be wonderful, a sign of Progress at last, but nobody was looking down the road far enough. First, due to the advent and widespread use of scientific birth control and abortion, women were given for the first time in history complete control over their own fertility. This led directly to sexual liberation and modern feminism, both of which would be impossible without this development. Second, a change in the political technology, namely the extension of the vote to women. Why, you might ask, did an all-male government ever pass such laws, or in America, empower its enforcement arm, the EEOC? Because of the woman’s vote, of course. No politician today can hope to succeed without it.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  71. Exile says:

    But I could never believe that Maxwell and Epstein were connected with the Israeli Intelligence agency, the Mossad. With all my sympathy to our esteemed colleagues Philip Giraldi and Whitney Webb, there is not a single shred of evidence for such connection.

    Is this one of C.J. Hopkins “I’m a Russian Asset” parodies? Are you serious?

    How many Mossad heads attended “Robert Maxwell’s” funeral, Shamir?

    Weinstein did nothing wrong?

    What do they have on you, Izzy? Blink three times fast in your next video appearance to let us know they got to you.

    No one with their head north of their colon believes anything you just said here. So that’s a plus.

    • Agree: Kali
  72. The Old Puritanism was hard on women; the witches were burned

    Where? Not here.

  73. @Ivan

    Thanks. I didn’t take it personally. But it seems that Kavanaugh is dirty, and so is Trump. Makes me wonder about the operations to take them down. Russia gate for Trump and Blasey Ford gate for Kavanaugh. Both so ridiculous that it is almost as if their foes couldn’t use the real dirt without self-incriminating.

    • Replies: @ivan
  74. @Sollipsist

    we were joking about altar boys at least as far back as the 70s

    And it isn’t only altar boys. Any children. Notorious. To say exaggerated for “Puritanical effect” is … Effect?

    Why the orphanages and homes for unmarried mothers and their children, especially in Ireland, where if you dig up the playground you uncover skeletons of little children? Why such homes for unmarried mothers at all? And see the 2 July article here by Larry Romanoff, CIA Project MK-ULTRA where where such a priestish/nunish home/orphanage in Canada agreed to horrible CIA experiments on their children.

    For the RC Church, preying on children is all, ALL it’s about. Every since the Jesuits of the Counter-Reformation won back Austria which had gone Protestant, won it back through its children by opening myriads of free elementary schools because it’s unnatural, impossible for little children to doubt what the big person says, whether Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Easter Rabbit, anything. So easy to indoctrinate. And it’s continued to the present day, the only denomination that has it’s own elementary schools everywhere. Everywhere. All about capturing the children.

    But going back to “Puritan”, Wikipedia on Savonarola, in 1494 “he instituted an extreme puritanical campaign …”

    So, Ha! Ha!, Roman “Catholic” Puritans of the Fifteenth Century! Didn’t molest children back then, but have ever since!

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  75. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “First, due to the advent and widespread use of scientific birth control and abortion, women were given for the first time in history complete control over their own fertility. This led directly to sexual liberation and modern feminism…”

    Why then have the Eastern countries not faced it? Neither the USSR nor modern China?

    Winston Sterzel aka serpentZA has said modern Chinese men smoke, drink, and never talk to their wives/kids. Women over 28 are considered rotten meat. That’s based. (Doesn’t mean Shenzhen isn’t full of whores, but still.)

    > “Why, you might ask, did an all-male government ever pass such laws, or in America, empower its enforcement arm, the EEOC? Because of the woman’s vote, of course.”

    But why did women get the vote to begin with? You don’t explain.

    From what I know, they were first employed in WW1, and it was a “symbol of gratitude”? Sounds quite cucked and Christian.

    Was it the rampant use of birth control that made non-Communist Poland and Hungary give women the vote in 1919-20? They were poor feudal Mediaeval shitholes at the time. And yet Thomas Masaryk had been championing women’s vote even in Austria-Hungary.

    Throughout the 1920s, Stopes and other feminist pioneers, including Dora Russell and Stella Browne, played a major role in breaking down taboos about sex and increasing knowledge, pleasure and improved reproductive health. Stopes was particularly influential in helping emerging birth control movements in a number of British colonies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_birth_control

    Are you not confusing the cause and effect?

    > ” People are scum and really get a kick out of victimizing each other. They’ll do it just for the fun of it. Financial incentives aren’t the cause of this; it’s just the icing on the cake for the so-called victim.”

    My problem with my people is that they are not scum enough. Or that they are channeling their scum attitudes towards benevolent, Christian causes.

    Feel free to check out how these egalitarian English men have in 10 min permanently banned my 6 year old Wikipedia account over a comment I made three years ago – proclaiming that marriage is between a man and a woman is considered homophobic now. (It’s a self-plug, but it’s also Christian psychology in real-time, you might appreciate it.)

    http://archive.vn/AjJRF

    Does this homosexual psychosis stem from technology, too? The most industrialized nations on the planet are not sodomitic at all. It all seems to me like an American cultural thing.

  76. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    You mean Beelzebubba didn’t spawn pointless, baby Hagwitch?

    Who would get near cackling Hagwitch?

  77. Rich says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    The portrait of Bill Clinton in a blue cocktail dress that was hanging on the wall in Epstein’s house says it all.

    • Agree: Emily
  78. Adûnâi: “Are you not confusing the cause and effect?”

    Certainly there is an interplay between the two factors I mentioned that magnifies their societal effects. They strengthen and support each other.

    Adûnâi: “But why did women get the vote to begin with? You don’t explain.

    From what I know, they were first employed in WW1, and it was a “symbol of gratitude”? Sounds quite cucked and Christian.”

    Technology develops according to its own internal logic, often with unpredictable and sometimes even catastrophic effects on human societies. It is deeply hostile to natural distinctions of race, sex, and culture that impede its efficient operation. Technological change drives cultural change, and war stimulates technological change.

    Adûnâi: “Why then have the Eastern countries not faced it? Neither the USSR nor modern China?”

    I’d say they have, in their own way. There are, for example, plenty of female professionals in both countries, who function in their jobs as the equivalent of men. This would be impossible if they were constantly pregnant and caring for children. Then too, there is the low birth rate, which is only possible with scientific birth control. They also participate equally with men in politics, AFAIK, and have equal rights as citizens. N.b. too that in China, at least, this happened without Christianity — although, as has been said by Spengler and others, Marxism can itself be regarded as a form of Christianity.

    Adûnâi: “Does this homosexual psychosis stem from technology, too?”

    Efficiency is the god of technology, and that is unquestionably true all over the world. To the extent that cultural factors impede the efficient operation of technology, they have to change, or all that results is inferior technology. Man’s increasing dependence on technology is why a kind of global culture is emerging now, instead of earlier in history. Cultural distinctions are being destroyed at an accelerating pace, and also races are being mixed as an unintended and unforeseen consequence of this dependence.

    Because of this, I suspect the decadence you notice today in the West will eventually show up in the East as well. It’s just that because they were relative late comers to technology and industrialization, it may take a little longer, that’s all. There’s a certain cultural inertia that needs to be overcome.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  79. Russian method
    In a far away Russian village, gals have heard of the Western way to deal with men, and they brought their rape complaints to local police. Police checked the claims, found them without merit, and both ladies were fined 5000 ruble ($80) each. How neat!
    https://pervo.info/v-achite-eshhyo-odno-lozhnoe-iznasilovanie/

  80. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > Because of this, I suspect the decadence you notice today in the West will eventually show up in the East as well.

    Everything indeed will be shown in due time. What else are we doing here but trying to predict the future? So much of what is unknown about the present will become apparent in hindsight! (I call the death wish of the Russians and the Anglos Christianity, you call it technology. The future will tell whether a semi-high technological race-based society can survive, e.g., Juche Korea.)

    It might even be that the entire pattern of world history is misleading, and this whole “globalization since ancient times” is merely a ruse, a giant shit-test, which will only weed out the race-mixers and traitors, and the cleanest race will inherit the planet.

    Are you of the view that collapse is imminent, even without Unabombers? And if it is, there will be no going back to high technology? I believe in the former, and partially in the latter. WW3 > world-wide NatSoc.

    Even without technology, give humans enough time, and one race will emerge triumphant. Whereas the high tide of Islam failed to conquer Anatolia, the Seljuks came to the Aegean, and the Ottomans reached Vienna. Failures are weeded out, and those remain who are strong, not who can make money most efficiently.

    @Israel Shamir

    And yet, the rural folk of Russia is dying out. Natural change (2018): -3 per 1000 rural vs -1 per 1000 urban.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII

  81. 76239 says:

    The Old Puritanism is Yankee through and through.

    America has a Yankee problem. Its inexorably opposed to the notion of “live and let live.”

  82. Adûnâi: “Everything indeed will be shown in due time. What else are we doing here but trying to predict the future?”

    Yes, I agree with most of what you wrote in this comment. All I’m doing is pointing to the trend, the way the technological system tends to grind away cultural differences. Of course, some cultural differences may not affect the efficiency of the system, and those might remain. Western “decadence” might or might not be one of those things. Ted Kaczynski says something relevant about this in ISAIF:

    29. Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional attitudes of our society while pretending to be in rebellion against it. Many leftists push for affirmative action, for moving black people into high-prestige jobs, for improved education in black schools and more money for such schools; the way of life of the black “underclass” they regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the black man into the system, make him a business executive, a lawyer, a scientist just like upper-middle-class white people. The leftists will reply that the last thing they want is to make the black man into a copy of the white man; instead, they want to preserve African American culture. But in what does this preservation of African American culture consist? It can hardly consist in anything more than eating black-style food, listening to black-style music, wearing black-style clothing and going to a black-style church or mosque. In other words, it can express itself only in superficial matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects more leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make him study technical subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white. They want to make black fathers “responsible.” they want black gangs to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the industrial-technological system. The system couldn’t care less what kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a “responsible” parent, is nonviolent and so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it, the oversocialized leftist wants to integrate the black man into the system and make him adopt its values.

    A corollary of this would seem to be that only trivial differences will remain between cultures as different cultures fully adapt themselves to the global technological system. The urging of “oversocialized leftists” isn’t actually necessary, as the system itself contains its own rewards for compliance and punishments for failure to comply. There’s also nothing particularly tied to naturally-occurring races in that system of values; at least, not obviously so. The system is hostile to natural race distinctions precisely because it is necessarily race-neutral. Might it create its own artificial race of genetically engineered humans in order to maximize efficiency? That could be. Certainly, genetic changes to man have been a side effect of civilization itself. E.g., human beings are much less violent than they used to be. Obedience, non-violence (at least on a personal level), and conformity has been bred into us modern humans.

    Adûnâi: “Are you of the view that collapse is imminent, even without Unabombers? And if it is, there will be no going back to high technology?”

    It’s probably a mistake to underestimate the resilience of the system. Anyone interested in trying to preserve the status quo as to race will have to act fast to bring the system down, or it will be too late. Whether high tech can be rebuilt after a global collapse would depend on a lot of factors impossible to know without knowing at least the method used to cause the collapse, as that would have an effect on how long any ensuing “Dark Age” would last.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @Adûnâi
  83. ivan says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    Yes its kind of strange. Kavanaugh is not an ideological conservative in the mould of Scalia or Thomas. Makes one wonder what the fuss was all about. I must revisit what you wrote about earlier on his earlier judgements.

  84. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I’m not disagreeing, but don’t forget it was 19th Century “Great Awakening” Protestants who were responsible for creating the public school system in the US. Can we question their motives?

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  85. In England, a struggle to dismiss a parliamentarian because of a vague complaint
    Chief whip Mark Spencer today stood by his decision not to suspend the senior Tory MP arrested on suspicion of rape.
    The party is under mounting pressure, including from the alleged victim, to strip the ex-minister of the Conservative whip.
    But Mr Spencer said it was right to allow the police to conclude their investigation before taking any action, while also stressing the need to protect the identity of the accuser.
    The former parliamentary researcher in her 20s has alleged she was assaulted and forced to have sex.
    What does “forced to have sex” means?

    • Replies: @GoyRightActivist
  86. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    That quote is so good! Pertinent to it is the fact that American Christians are actively fighting against the diversity of the world when they try to impose homosxexual agenda on all cultures which are straight. In a similar vein, Israel is considered an imperialist creation. In many ways, this is a modification of imperialism.

    Still, I don’t necessarily see why the Western system is so hell-bent on spreading homosexualism. If it were indeed calculating the most efficient society, it would probably try to mix and match, and as homosexualism is not exactly important, it would be discounted as a Western obstacle. (Unless it is somehow paramount, and turning Iran gay is indispensable.)

    > “It’s probably a mistake to underestimate the resilience of the system.”

    Chechar believes that the headless chicken of the Federal Reserve is actively bringing on the collapse of the dollar, purely out of their own sheer stupidity. William Pierce compared the Jews to the scorpion who stings the frog transporting them both across the river.

    I would say, if there is no reason ruling the system, it turns into idiocracy. Otherwise, people degenerate, empires rust and fall. A lack of will is a lack of life.

    This way, you are arguing from a purely Marxist position, whereas I emphasise the role of the individual in history. But can you explain the downfall of the Portuguese empire? Or the Roman? If the system is so smart, why does it allow the vector to turn towards disorder* for a period? Methinks, the genius of Man is needed for his failure. The very globohomo empire of today is built upon the labour of honest Aryans of America. Miscegenation is not popularized by the weaklings of Brazil, but by the Nordic priests of Christianity.

    The iron-willed Nazgûl rule upon the hordes of Orcs… But when their time runs out, Chaos consumes itself. Good times make weak men, and weak men cannot even kill themselves properly.

    *Here, I say “disorder”, which I mean the death of technology in this case. But with Brazil, it’s “a triumph of the Natural, Racial Order” that confuses the plans of the globo. The very globohomo is contingent upon the qualities of the Nordic race. It has evolved to seek efficiency, and now – under the guidance of Christianity – it is employing it in its own self-destruction. But as they near the end, their efforts become discordant, muffled, inefficient.

    > “Ted Kaczynski”

    By the way, why do you prefer calling him his real name instead of “the Unabomber”? “Ted” is so much more boring, and the in “Kaczynski” is mispronounced as by Americans while it should be in Polish. The Unabomber has a ring to it.

  87. @israel shamir

    Shamir now confesses to be a Mossad Psyop who pretended to be a hero of the Goyim. The choosen ones raping and pimping gentile children and women is nothing to him. Criticism is New Puretanism. A surrogate for the word Antisemitism as Derschowitz uses it for his accuser? Calling Robert Maxell a KGB Agent…i and other are struggling to understand if you are trolling or trutly a Mossad apologet. The worst is you are friends with Gilad Atzmon…hopefully he is as bluffed by your (new?) behaviour and views as we are.

    • Agree: Kali
  88. @Sollipsist

    Hmm. Secular schooling is bad?

    Anyway, just noticed more ammo lying on the ground right here at UR. Andy Flick-Chick, his 2020-02-13 article, The Philippines Are Choosing New Allies: Pres. Duterte, hugely popular there, “sexually molested by a priest when he was a child, he holds a grudge against Christianity.”

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  89. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Adding to the previous comment.

    Let us model the perfect efficiency-worshipping system (EWS). Would it be race-denialist? Up to a point. It would push the employment of women and the Chinese where they can be employed. But would it push women into the positions where they are known to cause damage, disruption, inefficiency? No.

    Likewise, would the EWS ignore the social disruptiveness of the Negro? No. The only conceivable way for such a course of action to be taken would be if the EWS “calculated” that “opening the can of worms” of racism is potentially/likely more disruptive than nurturing the Negro.

    In this case, I’m a bit lost, however, as to how the EWS is making decisions. A process of cultural dialectic born out of the inertia of successful actions accumulated since 1492? Isn’t such a system ultimately running on memes? (You are saying the EWS selected for Christianity, but it clearly must have its own system of memes that it measures things up to.) Then it can make mistakes, and is indistinguishable from memetics.

    Ultimately, I do not see it. To me, it is obvious that the true EWS would be comfortable to entertain the notion of the genocide of the Negro to improve efficiency – domestically or abroad. Or at least, the EWS would side with those machine Aryans of to-day who bemoan the inefficiency of the Negro.

    What we see, however, is the total abhorrence of genocide, of long-term thinking in principle. An abject rejection of science, biology. This is not the EWS. This is the JWS – Jesus-worshipping system.

    The principle of the sanctity of life utterly trumps in priority any efficiency of product or capital production. The principle of the equality of races and sexes trumps any long-term prediction for the system’s own sake. The principle of the pursuit of individual happiness trumps any search for the efficiency of the collective.

    I would concede that the history of technological intelligent life on this planet has been aimed at the discovery of the correct proportion between efficiency and race. But not more. Simply put, what I am observing to-day is the death of race-denialists in the Occident and the triumph of racists in the Orient. The latter are more efficient, too.

    A little video celebrating the unity of the Man and the Machine. Those visions are not Checharian and not bucolic.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  90. Adûnâi: “If it were indeed calculating the most efficient society, it would probably try to mix and match, and as homosexualism is not exactly important, it would be discounted as a Western obstacle.” … I would say, if there is no reason ruling the system, it turns into idiocracy.”

    You have to keep in mind that the focus of technique when evaluating efficiency is necessarily quite narrow. For instance, having a horse is more efficient (in some ways) than walking, while having an automobile is still more efficient than having a horse. So an evaluation of efficiency is both relative and contextual. Someone might object, for example, that automobiles aren’t really more efficient than walking, because by using automobiles, you have to accept that tens of thousands of people are going to die annually in car accidents. That’s true, but still, the judgement of society (i.e., the “group mind” that I’ve referred to) has been that using automobiles is worth it, i.e., more “efficient”. And there can be little doubt that, overall, a society that has the technology necessary to produce and use automobiles would defeat a society at a more primitive technological level in the contest of survival between them.

    But generally, one cannot determine in advance “the most efficient society” any more than one can determine in advance “the fittest animal”. Whatever form of social organization is most efficient must emerge gradually, as man does his dance of death with technology. Humanity is like a blind man groping his way down a corridor. Nobody knows where technological development will lead, and its development cannot be steered. Attempts to allow ideology to steer technology only result in inferior technology.

    As for “homosexualism”, thinking about it some more, I’d say it’s just another side effect of female empowerment. Due to the development of scientific birth control methods women are now participating in work and politics on equal footing with men, and there are social consequences that weren’t foreseen: e.g., more men are raised without a father in the home; more men who, in their work life, will necessarily have a woman as their “boss”; decoupling sex from its natural function of reproduction leads to regarding sexuality as a matter of “lifestyle choice”. Given basic human psychology, I’d say these trends favor an increase in “homosexualism”. Certainly they are quite destructive of patriarchy.

    Adûnâi: “A lack of will is a lack of life. … I emphasise the role of the individual in history. If the system is so smart, why does it allow the vector to turn towards disorder* for a period?”

    Individual will has nothing to do with technique. It can’t control it. Just to stick with the example of birth control technologies, you cannot “will” away the fact that they empower women, and at the same time disempower men. To use the technique at all, you just have to accept this, just as with the use of automobiles, a society accepts that the cost is tens of thousands of lives every year.

    Disorder arises, and empires fall, precisely because all the consequences of a given technological configuration aren’t foreseen; in fact, they’re not even foreseeable. Shit happens, as the saying goes.

    Adûnâi: “By the way, why do you prefer calling him his real name instead of “the Unabomber”? ”

    Because it’s his ideas that are important, not his relatively ineffectual bombs.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  91. Adûnâi: “Simply put, what I am observing to-day is the death of race-denialists in the Occident and the triumph of racists in the Orient. The latter are more efficient, too.”

    This is the question to be decided in the future, by the result. I agree that the West, precisely because of its Christian worldview, tends to confuse what it regards as moral superiority with technological superiority. But then, if the prize is survival itself, morals can change. Also, there’s a time honored Christian tradition of hypocrisy that must be taken into account. Only the event of the matter will show which form of technological organization is more efficient.

  92. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Understandable if true. But then again that guy seems like he has grudges to spare…

    Kinda sad that people are so often especially motivated by childhood trauma; the simplicity, irrationality and disproportionate responses that are understandable in the childish mind are unnaturally preserved throughout adulthood. A little girl gets abused by a pervert uncle, and years later her supposed reason and free will convinces her that men are evil, old men especially, traditional families and patriarchal society are the enemy, and she was “born” a lesbian. So pretty much everybody in her sphere of influence ends up paying for the act of one degenerate.

  93. @sarz

    Up to this article, I took him to be honest, regardless of how muddy his background was. Maybe he’s testing his audience, but this is laughable.

    Of course, if you’re opposed to a superficially feminized, #metoo, gotcha culture, you may sympathize at first.

    But he’s covering up for a zio-criminal entity that hasn’t yet been unraveled. He’s actually trying the line that Epstein was some cavalier 70s Don Juan simply born a bit too late.

    Big Chutzpah, Israel!

    • Replies: @The Real World
    , @Druid
  94. @anonymous

    Because he’s full of shit

  95. @Curmudgeon

    Whores will be whores. Don’t care about them, as they squirmed around Weinstein and Epstein. Pretending Epstein is all about whores however, just turned Israel Shamir into a whore in his own right. Pat yourself on the back, but we still don’t know shit about Epstein, the intelligence angle that is.

    Maybe Israel can get his friend Assange on the ball?

  96. @SaneClownPosse

    Bill and Hill graduated with their Yale Law class, despite being absent from Yale for the entire second year of a three year program.

    So, where were they that second year? At The Farm? Is there a source for that?

  97. @Parsnipitous

    In the 70s – 80s, the author would have been called a “chauvinist” or “misogynist”. I’d say those terms still apply. Today you can also add: whiner and denialist.

    The last decade or so, I have found it most fascinating to observe the reactions by males of finally being called-out and held to account. One might have thought they wouldn’t be such squealing complainers about it and as resistant to the ugly reality. Anyone STILL want to defend Bill Cosby, like so many did early on? Let’s hear it. Lol….

    It’s all been very revealing about how truly entitled most men feel. Not only did plenty engage in shitty, threatening behavior towards subordinates in the workplace, they knew they could count on ‘the bros’ to cover for them or at least look the other way thereby enabling it all.

    I have *zero* sympathy for any of them. It is fitting to see some (it’s only been a few, though) get nailed to the wall, they earned it. They should stop the infernal whining.– it’s pathetic.

    • Replies: @Alden
  98. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    Spoken like a true Jew, completely morality free.

    The “sexual revolution” started in the 60’s by lascivious Jewish men to get their hands on gentile women is over. In the process they have corrupted all the gentile men and women. At least gentile women have woken up, they are done being your whores and bitches. #MeToo is the licentious Jews’ comeuppance, 5 decades in the making. Go whoring in Israel with your own men/women and keep it to your own shameless immoral kind.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  99. @Rich

    my old parish priests were right when they spoke about the immorality of …..

    …… themselves screwing little boys, girls and nuns against their will.

    What were you saying about “Christian moral teachings”? Do reconcile that, por favor.

    • Replies: @Rich
  100. You could have added another Jew, pornographer Ron Jeremy, in the dock for similar “me too” charges, on 6 million dollar bail and facing 90 years in jail.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-05/ron-jeremy-arrest-uncovers-rape-groping-stories

  101. Out of scope, but pertinent news for any “alternative” opinion site.

    Under the radar, no sources? voltairnet.org is suggesting an attack, not an accident. Is there any credibility to it? Is it a co-incidence that the Maxwell unravelling is also silent here on unz. Voltairenet is mentioned in the list of “credible” sources at unz.com .

    Israël détruit Beyrouth-Est avec une arme nouvelle
    par Thierry Meyssan

    Le premier Premier ministre israélien a ordonné la destruction d’un entrepôt d’armes du Hezbollah à Beyrouth au moyen d’une arme nouvelle.

    Conspiracy or inconvenient truth? Saker? technical analysis? the shape of the cloud and the explosion?

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  102. @Mike Robeson

    “An extremely savvy financier and philanthropist told me after Epstein’s death about a proposition Epstein had once made him: that he could save more than $40 million in US taxes if he gave him $100 million to manage…”

    Boy! Sounds like Epstein was a real financial wizard and not at all a Mossad stooge. Just give him $100 million of your money and he’ll save you MORE than $40 million in taxes — even if you don’t owe any taxes — and all without knowing a damn thing about your finances.

  103. Wally says:
    @israel shamir

    This will be revealing:

    Mr. Shamir,

    Do you, or do you not, believe the “holocaust” narrative.
    If so, why?

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  104. Druid says:
    @Curmudgeon

    It wasn’t ok in Germany and Italy and it’s not now. Though I know many women are dangerous!

  105. Druid says:
    @sarz

    Israel Shamir! A tiger and his name cannot change their spots. 911 was an inside neocon/Jew affair! This Shamir has a lot of bs in him. Another overrated pseudo-J

  106. cranc says:

    But I could never believe that Maxwell and Epstein were connected with the Israeli Intelligence agency, the Mossad. With all my sympathy to our esteemed colleagues Philip Giraldi and Whitney Webb, there is not a single shred of evidence for such connection.

    I’ve read Whitney Webb’s investigative articles on Epstein, which are often cited by the alternative and leftist crowd as evidence of his Mossad connections and blackmailing activities. But Webb’s articles are actually full of unsubstantiated rumors, possible immoral or illegal activities between high level people based on coincidental social or business connections and potentially damning rumors corroborated mainly by her previous articles and posts. She has done some fine reporting on other issues. But on the Epstein case, she is part of what Israel rightly refers to as the New Puritanism.

    …and with those two comments, your reputation drops off a cliff. I don’t think Whitney Webb wants or needs your sympathy if you are in the business of bare faced denial, lies or obfuscation.

    It’s all a cohencidence. yeah, right.

    • Agree: Parsnipitous, Kali
  107. @hobo

    According to Gordon Thomas (intelligence writer and author of “Robert Maxwell: Israeli Super Spy) Maxwell was asked by some figures within the KGB to help with a coup against Gorbachev. His Mossad handlers told him to back off as there was no way that even they would want to be associated with a coup against a Soviet leader.

  108. The author’s dishonesty is best exemplified by his assertion that American women are lined up to kiss the feet of hood rats. A few staged instances means all that?

    • Replies: @Alden
  109. The real point of the article was the Epstein part. He lured the reader in by beginning with the stuff about Swedish rape.

    • Agree: Parsnipitous
  110. TKK says:

    The author begins by rightfully lampooning the absurd, then violently veers off into defending the absurd.

    Weinsten forced a waitress to watch him masturbate over a potted plant. When she wanted to flee, he threatened to have her fired from her working class job.

    Epstein slammed a 14 year old girl with ponytails and braces against a wall for refusing to masturbate his deformed penis- actually picking her up by the ponytails.

    The highest sign of intelligence is recognizing patterns.

    Why would a ham faced, cunning, ultra high net worth Jew be as methodical as a machine in procuring adolescent, poor, Gentile white girls to be alone with him in his sex themed mansions?

    Why would a repellent, course movie financier (he’s just the money guy) have 50 + women state he would parade out naked and demand massages after they were summoned to “work meetings”?

    This is a vastly different animal from two consenting adults who decide to partake in sexual activity- for consideration or not- and the woman then using the encounter for political or pecuniary gain. If the world had not careened into Crazy Town, these women would be seen as they are- lying histrionic whores who should be punished and banished.

    But, before we get too high on the Western horse, remember that The East has been treating young girls like holes for hire for years. Girls as young as 8 are sold for sex in Cambodia. The smiling doorman of the Peninsula in Bangkok ushered in young girls for the pleasure and discard of Western men. I have shared an elevator with them.

    We are all just cavemen, still grunting around the campfire unless we have the grace of reason or faith or Western ideals of decency.

    Which shores up these two points: When Gywneth Paltrow was dating Brad Pitt, and told him of Weinstein’s abuse, Pitt slammed Weinsten against a wall and told him he would kill him. Weinstein skulked away and never bothered GP again.

    I can’t help but laugh and think what would happen to Weinstein or Epstein in even the toniest sections of Istanbul if he defiled a young Muslim girl and her male family members found out.

    Even Mossad could not save him.

  111. Druid says:
    @Parsnipitous

    I never fell for his shit!

    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
  112. Ghali says:

    Paul Roberto should know better. He has been in Sweden for many years. I do not think the law in Sweden is as harsh as in other countries. I know Sweden because I lived in Sweden once.

    In fascist countries like Australia you could go to jail and your career for friendly touching a woman.

    Shamir is exaggerating. Sweden is far more civilised than the Anglo-Saxon folks. Swedish women are more emancipated. They do not live in a Church. Thanks to the great PM Olof Palme.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  113. gotmituns says:

    no jew can be converted to Christianity. a jew is always a jew from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet from birth till the day he dies.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  114. Alden says:
    @traducteur

    Even if some perverted old creep like Shamir claims 12 year old Mary Phagan was just thrilled to have sex with creepy Leo Frank and That it’s totally moral and virtuous for a married man to commit adultery with a 12 year old;

    Leo Frank murdered Mary Phagan and deserved to be executed for it.

    ADL was not founded to defend Leo Frank from anti semitism It was founded to ensure that Jews would be able to commit any and all crimes from financial fraud to rape and murder of a 12 year old with impunity.

  115. Alden says:
    @The Alarmist

    Considering that Muslim immigrants on welfare get away with gang raping 11 year old Swedish girls with the defense that they didn’t know rape is a crime in Sweden I find it hard to believe the tale about Roberto. Just as I find it hard to believe Leo Frank did not murder 12 year old Mary Phagan.

    Maybe Shamir wants to appeal to the less than FIVE creepy old perverted MEN OF UNZ who are still defending Epstein and Maxwell.

    • Agree: TKK
  116. Alden says:
    @Bemildred

    People who go out of their way to vociferously defend something generally favor the thing they’re defending.

    I myself defend pre 1940 homes because I like them.

    People who live in suburbs defend suburbs as the best place to live. People who live in cities defend cities as the best place to live. People who live in rural areas defend the country as the best place to live.

    Anyone who defends everyone accused of child rape going back to Leo Frank must have a reason for defending it.

    As far as the English laws about under age prostitution go, the person who committed the ancillary activity in support of prostitution was Maxwell. The crime is maintaining a brothel or house of assignation as they’re sometimes called.

    Prince Andrew is just a bit of fluff and distraction on the whole sordid mess.

    • Replies: @Kali
  117. Dumbo says:

    Shame on Shamir for defending Epstein, Maxwell and Weinstein… How curious, all of them Jews… But I liked his other articles and even the beginning of this one.
    Now of course the women involved were not damsels in distress, but it doesn’t mean that the involved predators were innocent gentlemen.
    It’s like saying that, because whores sometimes lie, pimps are blameless model citizens…

  118. Emily says:

    These vile woke ‘wimmin’ are a travesty and insult to femininity in general and to all decent women.
    They are psychotic brainwashed virtue signalling junkies doing more damage to society than any regular drug user.
    Heroin and cocaine are as nothing to these ‘wimmin’ and there addiction to superiority and serotonin.
    But the author did lose me when it came to Epstein and Maxwell.
    Why? – because of the clear link to Mossad and the 99% likelihood that they were running a blackmail racket.
    How many times have we watched politicians, judges and individuals suddenly do or support something, flipping completely opposite to their every other action – but that benefits the interests of Israel and other neo liberal , immoral and even criminal issues.
    I think the case can be made that Epstein and his works were a political agenda, not a moral one.
    That is an evil and horrendous concept.

  119. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    Will Dworkin–a Jew, no less–be posthumously denounced for making the “white power” sign in that photo? Her works must be boycotted, her estate forced to grovel and apologize on her behalf.

    LOL

  120. Good job, Shamir. The essay was a delight to read. Too bad you didn’t include the egregious examples of D. Strauss-Kahn at the IMF and the aggressive New York district attorney suddenly caught by Wall Street in a honey-trap media exposé. But you sure did nail it with the irate mobs of self-serving Me Too shriekers and their disingenuous motives. In a normal country, such an upsurge of feminist Puritanical hogwash would have been laughed down no later than the oh so pious impeachment proceedings over a stain on a blue dress. But no, it goes on and on ad nauseam in the decaying U.S.A. And MSM seems to love it.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  121. Alden says:
    @The Real World

    It’s not the men who’ve been finally caught I find despicable. It’s these celibate childless woman less MEN OF UNZ endlessly defending men like Epstein Weinstein Cosby etc. Yet they never defend Sandusky and catholic clergy who molested teen boys.

    But they endlessly defend Epstein Dershowitz etc who molested 14 year old girls on the grounds the girls knew what they were doing. That’s the whole point of the age of consent. Teens younger than a certain age are too young to make the decision to have sex. Which leads to pregnancy and babies who must be raised and taken care of.

    The elderly virgins believe it’s fine to restrict the drinking and buying cigarette age to 21. But it’s wrong to restrict the age of consensual sex.

    Then there’s the unbelievable ignorance about human reproduction. No wonder they’re childless. Read the men on this site endlessly proclaiming that there was no birth control in the history of the world until the pill came out in 1960 and abortion was invented in 1973.

    Well, I suppose 80 year old male virgins never heard of condoms, a male version of birth control eons before the pill.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  122. Biff says:

    I once had sex with a woman who had six different personalities – five of them were really into it. Is the sixth gonna set me up?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  123. Alden says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Maybe whiskey wrote part of the article

  124. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    Nothing about feminism is in any way like puritanism you disingenuous yid. And puritanism was not “hard on women”. Epstein isn’t dead, he’s living comfortably in Israel, the entire point of the state is to serve as a safe haven for jewish criminals.

    • Agree: Sya Beerens
    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @Gman2
  125. Alden says:
    @Mike Robeson

    If you don’t mind my asking, exactly why are you so eager to defend Epstein and Maxwell? In my former law enforcement career, I’d suspect you of committing illegal sex acts with under age minors. Most crusaders against age of consent laws crusade against them because they want to have sex with minors without having to worry about the laws. Just as marijuana was legalized by people who wanted to use it legally. So why are you defending Epstein and Maxwell.

    There’s a plenty of clear and present evidence against Epstein and Maxwell without Virginia.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  126. geokat62 says:

    I’m surprised that IS didn’t come to the defence of Prof. Alan Desrchowitz.

    I note this because rumour has it that Shamir still had his underwear on while writing this article.

  127. MLK says:

    Chapeau for Mr Trump who dared to express sympathy to Ms Maxwell. This was an act of incredible bravery, to step out of line and to say a few kind words to her and about her.

    Here’s Fake News CNN after he repeated the same phrasing:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/politics/donald-trump-ghislaine-maxwell-axios/index.html

    First, I think there’s something to the informed speculation that the reappearance of this case was to foil the Clinton faction’s plans to swap in Hillary for poor Joe Biden one way or another.

    Trump said “I don’t know. I haven’t really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly.”

    Shouldn’t everyone hope that she remains alive and safe in federal custody? Should Trump be criticized for reminding everyone that she is innocent until proven guilty? Or wishing her well in cooperating with prosecutors?

    Am I the only one to have noticed that Trump on Maxwell reminds of Trump on Putin. Not that he had wished Putin well, but he repeatedly signaled to him the increasing risks of trusting these malefactors.

    In 2016, Russia was offered the world for participating in the frame-up of Trump to throw the election to Hillary. Have you ever heard of CIA Directors making secret trips to Russia? Russian mole Brennan did:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-cia/cia-boss-brennan-visited-moscow-in-early-march-interfax-idUSKCN0WU0S5

    Putin knew that he was being made the dirty dog. That was okay given the monumental geopolitical payoff he was being offered to say nothing of having a president Hillary by the short hairs. Besides, Russia wasn’t the moving party. It was going to happen anyway and Putin understood that the downside risk needed to be managed from the get-go.

  128. @Alden

    these celibate childless woman less MEN OF UNZ

    Curiously, how do you know that that’s an accurate depiction of the ones you’re referring to?

    Then there’s the unbelievable ignorance about human reproduction.

    Yup, that one is astonishing amongst both men and women and is clear evidence of widespread poor parenting. One of my favorites is when someone declares that they believe “life begins at conception” as a delineating point related to abortion. I then ask, “when is conception?” and it stumps them every time! They realize they don’t know and often begin getting defensive or cranky. I’ll then point out that the time of conception is unknown and it takes place over a period of days with many steps being involved. That info tends to render them speechless. (I think most people imagine that conception occurs moments after he makes his special contribution – like a spark of divinity, or something. Lol….)

  129. gotmituns says:
    @Anonymous

    jewish criminals.
    ———————–
    if it’s a jew, it’s a criminal.

    • Agree: Druid55
  130. @St-Germain

    Pretty much everything you said is off the mark.

    I don’t think you have a real clue what has been taking place. The psychological hill seems to be too steep to bother trying to clarify matters for you. I’ll just shake my head while moving on……

  131. Z-man says:

    Ah Sweden isn’t what it used to be, lol.
    Some good points not that I read the whole thing. Haha! Look at the picture of that Jew feminist beast half way down the article. Thank God she died 15 years ago, ROFL!!!

  132. Z-man says:
    @Biff

    LOL, reminds me of the Janene Garofalo episode of Two and a Half Men. She gets psychotic after sex with Alan and he answers his brother’s questioning by saying ‘we’re trying to work it out.’ ROFL!!!

  133. @Anonymous

    Yes, Edward Bernays would have been very proud of this “article” and weak effort by the man of many names.

    • Agree: Thim
  134. Dumbo says:
    @Alden

    Yeah, whoever defends underage sex or lowering the age of consent, is because they fantasize/dream about having sex with minors. And the reason they want to have sex with minors is because a) they are perverts and b) they can’t seduce an adult woman, and they believe they can seduce a child, perhaps offering free candy.

    Epstein in 2008 pleaded guilty to prostituting a 14-year old. Who is dumb enough to think it was the only case?

    https://nypost.com/2008/06/30/jeffrey-epstein-pleads-guilty-to-prostitution-charges/

    Epstein is no better than those Pakistani pimps in Rotherham. And for some reason some perverts, and now even Shamir (!) defend the sleazy bastard.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  135. Blaming all jews for the actions of a few jews is not very reasonable, and it is not Just. Many jews are among the most brain-washed people on the whole planet – when it comes to questions of jews, jewishness and jewish guilt, they are blind-sided by intense propaganda. This is true in the media and even in the Mossad.

    As the Protocols of the Elders of Zion say: “we shall control our lesser brethren through anti-semitism”.

    I seem to remember Mr. Shamir talking against a conspiratorial mindset in some prior article – and if that is true, he will have a hard time understanding the dynamics of jewish power. On the other hand, too much suspicion will create misery just as surely as will actual conspiracies. He is probably wrong about Epstein – but I do not believe that his intention is to deceive. I find it more likely that he wishes to warn against mob rule and trial by media, and to dig into the hypocritical attitudes that western societies have towards sexuality. This is commendable, although mixing Epstein into it seems ill-advised.

    “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone”.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @anon
  136. @anon

    For the record,it’s John Wayne Gacy.

  137. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon

    The “sexual revolution” started in the 60’s by lascivious Jewish men to get their hands on gentile women

    That really is utter rubbish. The Sexual Revolution was not a conspiracy. It was the inevitable result of the contraceptive pill.

    It had actually been building for quite a while. Religion had been declining. The horrors unleashed by the Second World War discredited traditional belief systems. The fear of nuclear annihilation (whether that fear was rational or not) encouraged a hedonistic outlook. Capitalism and consumerism had been undermining traditional values as well. Urbanisation weakened the hold of traditional communities.

    But the contraceptive pill opened the floodgates. Everyone, Jew and gentile, was swept along by the tide.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Anon
  138. Once a Jew, always a Jew … on behalf of the Elders of Zion, you’re welcome back to the Tribe, you prodigal rascal!

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  139. geokat62 says:
    @dfordoom

    That really is utter rubbish.

    You should peruse the links at the end of this metapedia entry…

    Sexual revolution

    The sexual revolution usually refers to a social movement challenging traditional behaviors related to sexuality, reproduction, and interpersonal relationships, throughout the Western world, and often seen as beginning in the 1960s, in part due to improved contraception.

    However, changes had occurred earlier than this, such as in association with the scientific/industrial revolutions, the demographic transition, increasing influence of liberalism, and reduced influence of religion. Also important were movements such as Freudian psychoanalysis, Marxism, Boasian anthropology, and Cultural Marxism, which all criticized the traditional Western views.

    Some of these influences have argued associations with Jewish influence, for reasons such as pseudoscientific psychoanalysis alleging that anti-Semitism and various disliked aspects of Western civilization are due to sexual repressions.

    The sexual revolution(s) have been criticized by various supporters of the traditional family, heterosexuality, and/or other traditional behaviors. Other critics include, for example, various opponents of abortion, single parent families, homosexuality, pornography, race mixing, dysgenics, White demographic trends, and/or other new or increasing trends associated with the sexual revolution(s). Such critics are often stereotyped as reactionary and religious conservatives, but the criticisms may come from a variety of different groups, who formulate different kinds of criticisms, and who do not necessarily agree with one another on which aspects are seen as harmful or why.

    External links

    The Assault on Gender and the Family: Jewish Sexology and the Legacy of the Frankfurt School, Part One

    The Assault on Gender and the Family: Jewish Sexology and the Legacy of the Frankfurt School, Part Two

    Masters of Porn: The Systematic Promotion of Sexual Deviance

    Sex Plague: The Normalization of Deviance and Depravity

    Secret Sex Life of the Jews

    The Sexual Revolution and Children: How the Left Took Things Too Far

    Jews in the American porn industry

    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Sexual_revolution

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  140. Z-man says:
    @Thomas Faber

    Blaming all jews for the actions of a few…

    Good points but sometimes you have to throw away the babies with the bath water. LOL!!!

    • Replies: @Thomas Faber
    , @Druid55
  141. Carlos22 says:

    Ugly Boot faced men hating dykes and unstable females with unresolved daddy issues taking some hold of levers of power and law making.

  142. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    To add to this – welfare! Do you consider welfare, this hallmark of the Western Christian civilization, a feature of an efficient system? Wouldn’t a truly efficient system rather sterilise the useless eaters and Negroes?

    > “Someone might object, for example, that automobiles aren’t really more efficient than walking, because by using automobiles, you have to accept that tens of thousands of people are going to die annually in car accidents.”

    This comparison is individualist, the opposite to what I’m saying. The current Christian/technological system is actively promoting the miscegenation of the entire Aryan race, for example, which will lead to the suicide of the whole system itself. Those few deaths in car crashes are not even on the radar.

    > “And there can be little doubt that, overall, a society that has the technology necessary to produce and use automobiles would defeat a society at a more primitive technological level in the contest of survival between them.”

    The automobiles do not lower the IQ of the subsequent generations (arguably; maybe even raise it?).

    > “Whatever form of social organization is most efficient must emerge gradually, as man does his dance of death with technology.”

    Yes. And the fitness of the population is determined in the terms of racial survival, as it’s always been, not of the efficiency of some vague planetary system.

    > ” Attempts to allow ideology to steer technology only result in inferior technology.”

    It might be inferior, but all more superior technology will kill the user, and itself.

    > “…e.g., more men are raised without a father in the home…”

    Aren’t Negroes less homosexual?

    > “Certainly they are quite destructive of patriarchy.”

    Romans were patriarchal and homosexual.

    > ” Just to stick with the example of birth control technologies, you cannot “will” away the fact that they empower women, and at the same time disempower men.”

    Some races allow birth control, others do not. Those which do, die out. Natural selection gives birth to this “will”.

    Does birth control give a country the power to crush its opposition? I fail to see it. It’s not nuclear weapons, which every healthy country craves, it’s a mere fluke of Christian programming.

    > “Disorder arises, and empires fall, precisely because all the consequences of a given technological configuration aren’t foreseen; in fact, they’re not even foreseeable.”

    > “But then, if the prize is survival itself, morals can change.”

    No. The current system clearly has the information that the miscegenation of Aryans with Negroes will lower the IQ of the population, that the death of the Aryan race will precipitate collapse, yet it not merely ignores it – it welcomes it!

    If technology did in fact control memetics, it would be exceedingly easy to modify this part of culture. What I observe is what the Christian model predicts, not the technological one. Where is efficiency in miscegenation? Where is efficiency in feeding Africa? Where is efficiency in the use of birth control among the high-IQ segments of the population?

    @geokat62
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-new-puritans/#comment-4083582

    What even is pornography? What counts, and what does not? Americans consider muscular men with big dicks incredibly arousing, for example, but that’s just gay.

    Also, mainstream pornography mostly promotes normalcy. Deviance is unpopular.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  143. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas Faber

    Blaming all jews for the actions of a few jews is not very reasonable, and it is not Just.

    Yid blame all Germans even the unborn ones.
    Yid blame all Christians.

    One very guilty Yid, all Yid cry anti semitism.
    All Yid want reparations for fictional crimes against Yid.
    For crimes Yid fabricated.

    All Yid guilty.

    • Agree: Druid55
    • Replies: @Thomas Faber
  144. Sweden, yes, a real crackpot country. It is perfectly true the the Swedish police, acting with a view to prosecution, tap the phones of men who are attempting to pay women for sex. The also make it a law not to use the bathroom toilet after 10 pm, and if so the men must adopt the female position for urination. Given the Sweden, since they gave the green light with an open door policy for mass immigration from the middle east, has now become the rape capital of Europe one would have thought that the police might have found something perhaps more important to do.

    Government by cranks.

    BTW. If you are thinking to going to Malmo, especially if you are a woman – DONT!

    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @Alden
  145. @Z-man

    All wars probably have their share of innocent victims… More crudely put, “one cannot make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”. But the fewer the better, surely?

    If zeal obscures justice, I am not sure how much will be won.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  146. My final opinion about the Epstein affair (not that I am not susceptible to further reasonable arguments):

    1. Epstein was the mega-pimp for the filthy rich and, bizarrely, older science guys who wanted to get laid; add various powerful (or ex-powerful) politicians & highly placed figures.

    2. Having in mind his ethnicity, Jews are over-represented among the clientele, but the users are generally American & European aging men. Maybe, just maybe, there were also some oil shaikhs, but I haven’t seen them. No east Asians, blacks, Latin Americans (not a macho thing).

    3. I would almost completely dismiss the possibility of intelligence community, honey traps etc. (Mossad, CIA,…). It was not more than a well paid, highly positioned brothel on multiple locations with young women & girls. I suppose it came into existence not as a grand scheme realized, but crystallized along the way in a few years when those guys had been confiding to each other about their unsatisfied “urges”. Also, no young or attractive men among them.

    4. why? I think it is a mistake to think that any high powered man can get laid whenever he wants (especially with 14-16 years old girls). Then, there are surroundings, mystique, relaxation, an ego-pumping sense of confirmation of belonging to an elite (of old farts).

    And considering the scope of the scandal, Epstein & a few others are almost certainly eliminated.

    In that case, no huge intelligence operation (Mossad, CIA,..) – there were no Russians, Chinese, various Arabs or Indians to spy on. Basically, Epstein was a power-pimp for North American- wealthy European (plus that disgraced figure of Israeli ex-PM) elites who couldn’t get laid with Lolitas. Money couldn’t buy them that.

    Epstein case was a big prostitution ring for wealthy old farts. No more than that- but no less, too.

    • Replies: @anon
  147. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    So says the white-washer of Yid-crimes Yid.

    Mossad and ADL proud of you.

  148. This is exactly what every country deserves that let woman run the politics in that said country, county, city, town or village. If you noticed, men in the past and who run countries today never have or had that #MeToo and politically correct stigma. The worse thing our modern society did was allow woman to vote and run for political office. A woman’s mind works truly on emotion not logical thought.

  149. @anon

    I suppose you are talking about the Holocaust. A complex matter, to be sure.

    I do not believe that it is a complete fabrication. I think that David Irving is closest to the mark of all the revisionists – he claims that 3 million jews perished in death camps on the Eastern Front (Majdanek, Sobibor, Belzec, if I remember correctly). But these were mostly innocent sephardic jews, as far as I have understood. Auschwitz was a transport hub, and not a death camp.

    The german “anti-semitism” I believe was in large part the responsibility of rich, jewish exploiters of Weimar Germany – but they were not the ones who perished in the Holocaust. Also, it seems that many of the early financiers of Hitlers regime were jewish bankers.

    As Theodor Herzl, the “Father of Zionism” stated in his diary:

    “I wanted in particular to contrast the suffering, despised, and decent mass of poor Jews with the rich ones. The latter experience nothing of anti-Semitism which they are actually and mainly responsible for.” (see link)

    The common jewish mass is used as tools and shields by a small jewish elite. It is a horrible and treacherous dynamic – and although it can be argued that to a certain extent regular jews have some amount of responsibility, since they are letting themselves be fooled, I think that it is much better to try and understand the dynamic, and place responsibility where it mainly belongs, than to accuse all jews of being guilty.

    It is a great tragedy and a big problem that discusssions such as these are illegal in numerous countries – because if they are not talked about, they will eventually lead to violence – about that I think we can agree.

    But I can assure that not all jews hold all germans guilty. Most jews are regular people who want to live their lives in peace, and the real problem is the propaganda that they are subjected to. Blaming them for things they are not guilty of will only heighten tensions and make things worse.

    https://archive.org/stream/TheCompleteDiariesOfTheodorHerzl_201606/TheCompleteDiariesOfTheodorHerzlEngVolume1_OCR_djvu.txt

  150. ”The actresses that accused Weinstein (over eighty women) would still be unknowns if he had not given them parts in his movies.”

    indeed, they’re like all goyim, who owe everything in their miserable lives to the benevolence of the Jew.

  151. Adûnâi: “Do you consider welfare, this hallmark of the Western Christian civilization, a feature of an efficient system? Wouldn’t a truly efficient system rather sterilise the useless eaters and Negroes?”

    So one might think. But here, it’s useful to recall that the welfare state itself was invented by Otto von Bismarck, as a “conservative” response to Marxism.

    Adûnâi: “… the fitness of the population is determined in the terms of racial survival, as it’s always been, not of the efficiency of some vague planetary system.”

    This is what Hitler thought too. He saw little hope for “half Judaized, half negrified America”, and put racial survival, as he conceived it, first. Yet the event of the matter was that Germany lost the war. Why? Uncover his mistake, and you may find the answer to your questions.

    Adûnâi: “What I observe is what the Christian model predicts, not the technological one. Where is efficiency in miscegenation? Where is efficiency in feeding Africa? Where is efficiency in the use of birth control among the high-IQ segments of the population?”

    In other words, you disagree with these decisions of the group mind, which seem to you to be based in Christian morality. But why have morality at all? Does it serve any purpose? And how did such a bizarre ethical system (n.b., itself a form of technology) evolve in the first place, let alone come to dominate the planet as it does? If a Darwinian view of reality is correct, it couldn’t do that without containing within itself a technological efficiency. Understanding how this happened will probably answer your questions.

    • Replies: @commandor
    , @Adûnâi
  152. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    Correlation does not equal causation. The pill may have helped, but it was definitely not the cause of the sexual revolution. Even in 1920, Henry Ford already warned about Jews and their lascivious influence and corruption of the gentile mind through the theater industry and Hollywood. E.A. Ross wrote in his book The Old World in the New in 1920 that Jewish men are into “pleasure seeking” and love to chase after gentile esp. Irish women. Whatever “forces” it was that came before the sexual revolution were all started by Jews. It explains why 8 out of 10 men brought down by #MeToo are Jews.

    Judging from the responses in this thread, you can tell Jews have corrupted far too many gentile men. Aided and abetted by Hollywood, Jewish women started feminism in the 60’s and sold idiotic ideas like casual sex and pornography are “sexual freedom” for women, perhaps the idea was at first to get even with Jewish men, but they ended up playing right into the hands of these licentious Jewish men. HBO is the most insidious in pushing this idea with shows like “Sex and the City” and “Girls”. Gentile women got swept along and couldn’t see through their thick skulls how demeaning pornography and these shows are to women.

    I’m thankful some gentile women are at least waking up and fighting back. Not surprisingly Rose McGowan and Ronan Farrow who started #MeToo have been ripped to shreds by Zionist rags like Breitbart. Now Ismail Shamir is doing his part with this sickening attack. I’m also glad Gen Z high school kids are practicing abstinence and having the lowest teen pregnancy rate in decades, are attending homecoming dances and proms in groups, that the college hookup culture is now running headlong into the college “rape culture”, and the Greek culture on campus is coming under increasing attacks. This is a much needed blow back to the insidious (((liberal))) influence, which is going off the deep end and dragging all our kids down with it.

    Liberalism is the Jews’ most insidious attack on Western civilization, far worse than Marxism, and it is disseminated and enforced through their control of education, media, Hollywood, the court system, and the sin industry of drugs, gambling, nightclubs, rap music, rock concerts, prostitution, pornography. Where there is sin, there is a Jew selling it. And then they blame it on the “demand”. The sin industry is one where supply creates demand, not the other way around. Wake the hell up gentile men and women. Regain your dignity by returning to social conservatism. Stop being useful idiots to the Jews.

    • Agree: Druid55
    • Replies: @Anon
  153. Z-man says:
    @Thomas Faber

    The problem is their almost total control of the MSM, Hollywood etc., etc., makes you want to…. get them all. (Grin)

    • Replies: @Thomas Faber
  154. Thim says:

    The author, this (((Israel))) is an ignoramus. He knows nothing about the Puritans except the cartoonish false version put forward by the Communists.

    The Puritans were remarkably staid and Conservative people, deeply influenced by Stoicism. They were not given to the kind of outbursts he accuses them of.

    Once again a Christ-hating Jew, blaming our current predicament on the Christians. We have a Communist revolution on our hands he tells us, because of 1620 Plymouth. It is all the fault of the Christians, he tells us. It is always the same with Christ-haters.

    Someone please inform this (((Shamir))) that the Plymouth settlers of 1620 were not even Puritans. That group came later.

    The crazies in early New England, the forerunners of today’s left, were the opponents of the Puritans. New England by 1780 had transitioned from Puritan to Yankee. Puritanism died out and the crazies took over.

    It wasn’t until after 1848 that the crazies got good traction in America, however. With the failure of the 1848 Jewish led revolution in Europe, they sent their masses of garbage, their wretched refuse, over here. The Commies came here by the millions.

    After 1848 America was never the same. Now the children of 1848 are pushing a new revolution, Jewish led and financed, of course.

    Don’t look at Soros, or at Blackrock, or the vampire Squid, or to the Lugenpresse, or to Silicon Valley, don’t look at the actual people running this revolution, Shamir says. No, it is the fault of Christian pilgrims, a few hundred of whom settled in Plymouth in 1620.

    Yep, he actually wrote it.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  155. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svevlad

    I think this is the most relevant comment of all. Everything we know about the Pedo Rings, Epstein, Sandusky, Gacy, Weinstein and all the rest of this rude and offensive story is based on mass media stories. To be woke is to doubt. Most people who consider themselves woke have simply changed channels. They switched from the Comedy Channel to Conspiracy Central. They still accept everything the media tells them, they just lost interest in lawmakers and became interested in newsmakers. They traded voting for Flat Earth.

    To be sure, I am sympathetic. Voting was exposed by the mass media to be an exercise in futility. Lawmakers have been shown by the mass media to be unreliable and corrupt. Wars have been demonstrated by the mass media to be big money-makers for corporations. Medicine has been definitively proven by the likes of Fauci and the Democratic mayors to be a political game. Young people know all this (or think they know it) and have despaired.

    If the world is run by powers and principalities we can’t see, then our participation is imaginary. If our participation doesn’t matter, then we might as well make it interesting for ourselves. We will drive the narratives, or at least we will follow only the narratives that interest us and so we will drive them that way. Thus Flat Earth (taken from the Bible) becomes a thing. Thousands of young men and women are assembling proofs to back up a Flat Earth position. It’s a tough argument and they are tenacious about it (if often mendacious about it).

    The Truther Movement is primarily about negative proof. We can prove that the mass media lies. In fact, we use mass media sources to prove this. We can’t prove or even figure out what actually happened because there are very few non-mass-media sources and those are sketchy at best, obvious schemes or plants at worst. With cameras in everyone’s hands, this situation can’t last forever. However, in the meantime we are being given shaky, handheld faked video to immunize us against that day we finally trade in the mass media for peer to peer media. We won’t know what to believe then, since the video technology is advancing steadily and it’s easier and easier to fake in a realistic way real or staged events.

    In the final analysis we cannot simply believe what we hear anymore. Everything gets the smell test. We have been thrust back into the days when mapmakers drew sea monsters along the edges of their maps. Men with faces where their stomachs should be. Uncertainty is now the rule. In a world hungry for reliable data, we have been left starving for it. What can break this impasse? How do we find out what is really going on when fake cops are being tried by fake courts and sent to fake prisons? Perhaps it will evaporate along with our fading empire. Perhaps this is justice.

    It can’t go on this way. We watch the President of a once-great country trying to win an argument with a trained debater using faked data. We watch him squirm as his statistics are shown to be irrelevant. We watch him nod and let the shark lead him away. Governments based on fakery cannot stand. We always need to drill down to the bedrock we understand before we can state a position. You can’t win a fight in an imaginary world.

    Maybe this is how all empires fall. The rich create Byzantine labyrinths of lies to protect their interests and people get lost in them. The wealth evaporates and the rich go off to despoil some other territory, like an endless tea party. We will miss our corrupt elites when they’re gone, no doubt. The endless tea party will be gone, but so will the nonsense. Life will settle down without them. Life will start to make sense again. We will once again be ruled by forces we can actually see.

    • Thanks: Prajna
  156. I believe that Shamir is not seriouse about Maxwell and Epstein not beeing Mossad Agents; since he also wrote that Robert Maxell was no Mossad. The guy wrote Masters of Discourse, Cabbala of Power and all the articles we read from him before.

    Its more likely that this is some kind of experiment of his and he is amusing himself for our comments. The Master of Discourse is playing with us Goyim. His points were to lame and lazy to be taken seriouse and he saw what he intended to read: People on this site attacking him for beeing an Ethnic Jew. I believe this was his whole point. How the mass is going to react, just as it does with the MeeToo hysteria. Shamir wrote Christian Litetature, he can’t be a rape advocate and surely no Mossad apaloget. He would put much more effort if he was truthly seriouse about his points. Its just a bad article. Everyone is lacking in his work sometimes.

  157. Mefobills says:
    @Fidelios Automata

    Epstein worked for Mossad via his handler, Maxwell. They could give a damn about destroying young girls… they have a will to power not matter what. The ends justify the means.

    Israel Shamir is trying to create a wedge between Jews and Puritans, when they are basically the same thing. This will to power, and hiding behind religion, is Jewish method at root. Puritans and Jews were attached at the hip from the beginning, hence Judeo-Christianity (an oxymoron).

    Andrea Dworkin, the obese lying feminist who famously said that every intercourse is rape, and Penetration is Violation. She is an icon of New Puritan America.

    One look at her, and you can tell she is a Jewess not a Puritan. She is also disgusting, and no man would want to penetrate her.

    Puritanism is an old testament off-shoot of Calvinism. This branch of Protestantism was funded into existence by Amsterdam’s Jewish community using ill-gotten stock market capital. The old testament was used as a bludgeon to make the Jew “special people of god.”

    The printing of bibles in Amsterdam was an opportunity to overturn Catholicism. The Catholic church had bottled up the Jews to prevent them (Jews) from doing harm to European/Christian civilization. Using newly printed Athias Bibles, printed at great expense and given to the English, allowed Jewish old testament narrative take hold of the English mind.

    Byzantium also bottled up Jews to prevent them from doing harm to consensual civilization, especially under Justinian law.

    Note that both civilizations (Western Catholic and Eastern Orthodox) were undermined by Jewish method.

    Wherever Shamir says “Puritan” we should replace it with Jew – as Puritans are the spiritual descendant of the Jew.

    Shamir is doing some undermining of his own.

  158. Fortunat says:

    You shall be hung for your unbelievably spurious and typically jewish attempt to lump the MeToo insanity with the Epstein case in order to make light of the latter.

    Only a jew could write such utter lying insanity.

    It is all a joke to you people, isn’t it.

    Chutzpeh is just another word for idiocy.

  159. I’ve documented Jews attempting to justify the rape, trafficking, and molestation of “goy” children, on Unz.com and elsewhere, here:

    https://bannedhipster.home.blog/2020/07/11/when-jews-defend-ghislaine-maxwell-and-the-rape-of-christian-girls/

    Unlike Italians in the 1950’s – 1970’s, who openly and loudly denounced Italian organized crime (see Giuliani, for example) virtually no Jews have come out publicly to denounce the Jewish mafia, in fact, major Jewish organizations like the Anti-Defamation League were founded to attack anyone exposing the Jewish “Mafia.” An ADL-linked lawyer in Miami was the first to instigate the Epstein cover-up, as documented by Ann Coulter.

    As we can see here, if you object to wealthy and powerful Jews sexually trafficking young girls, you’re just a “Puritan.”

    You know, the two twelve year old girls that Epstein raped “wanted it.”

    It’s sick, but then again, the Jewish culture is a sickness itself.

    • Agree: Alden
  160. – Young lady, your 100 euro bill is counterfeit.
    – Then, I have been raped!

  161. @St-Germain

    Indeed I could include D. Strauss-Kahn of the IMF; his case is one of the most famous entrapments. The man who could be the next President of France, the man who had some plans about dollar as the global currency had been captured and dishonoured on the ridiculous charge of trying to rape an hotel maid. Nobody defended him, for nobody would like to be attacked by the flock of Anonimuses screaming Kill the Jew! He is a Mossad agent!
    Nothing specially wonderful about D. Strauss-Kahn, or Maxwell, or Epstein, or Weinstein, but public fury, the deadly mixture of anti-Jewish prejudice and (neo) puritanism is so revolting one feels like vomiting.
    People are very easy to be set upon anybody, this a quality we share with apes. Probably a wise man should remember that.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  162. @Z-man

    It does not seem like a tenable situation – and one would really wish that they could see it themselves.

    However, indiscriminate blaming of jews is playing right into the hands of the hidden jewish elite. It is a diabolical trick. Again, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion state it like this: “We must control our lesser brethren through anti-semitism”. Most jews are not media stars or bankers, despite the demographic overrepresentation in these fields.

    Therefore it is better, I think, to master ourselves, and let it go. Speak the truth, of course, but try to live up to the ideal of Jesus – “forgive them, for they know not what they do”. The closer we can hew to that ideal, the better it will be for ourselves and for the world. This I believe.

  163. gsjackson says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    There has been speculation that Winthrop Rockefeller was Clinton’s father.

  164. @Ghali

    the law in Sweden is as harsh as in other countries.

    The point of my article is exactly that: it is not the law but public frenzy that is the problem. The guy was not even judged yet, but he already lost his business, his TV show, his shelf in the supermarket chain. Do you see for yourself the frenzy of some of our readers just because I said some guys are innocent? Nobody is allowed to say such things, every alleged wrong-doer has to be hunted, with or without trial. This is what I wrote about, not about severity (or not) of Swedish law, this was just an item in passim.

    • Agree: dfordoom, mark green
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Kali
  165. @gotmituns

    You have obviously never read the New Testament.

    • LOL: Parsnipitous
  166. Mefobills says:
    @Adûnâi

    Here is an article you might enjoy:

    https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202008071080096247-humans-tend-to-be-focused-on-short-term-because-long-term-is-too-unpredictable-academic-says/

    an excerpt:
    ________________

    I think the bottom line is there are two ways of doing this. One is the kind of military model where you have top-down discipline imposed on the rebellious troops (society), which is clearly the kind of authoritarian motive of politics; and the other is sort of consensual version, which is the sort of bottom-up version. So, it’s a matter of persuading people. Now, we can do that but we’re actually not very good at it, and we’re not very good at it the bigger the size of the population really. It’s extremely hard for very large numbers of people to converge on an agreed democratic position because there are just too many different opinions floating around and opinions tend to polarise. We are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea on this one in a very politically, I think, very serious way.
    __________________

    The top down method (esp of NK) admits that there is hierarchy. The bottom up method pretends their is no hierarchy, and that consensus is not manufactured. You are free, providing you don’t utter certain words, or have certain thoughts.

    U.S. is bottom up method, where an owned press manufactures consent for the ownership class.

    Hungary’s constitutional kingdom lasted nearly 1000 years. It did a pretty good job of keeping out Jews and Muslims, while also defending the West from invasion. It also did not fall from internal contradictions, especially from internal finance plutocracy and wannabe oligarchs. Hungarian king was voted into power and hence not of a royal bloodline. The Hungarian model was both top down (the King) and also bottom up, where King gets sanctioned or rejected by voters. The voters agree or disagree with consensus put forth by ruling hierarchy.

    Our Jewish friends would be “bottom up” where they work as an in-group to then insert themselves into organs of power. Organs of power include owning the media, influencing what is taught in skoools, owning the legal system, government, and most especially owning money power.

    Once these power points are consolidated, then a more overt “top down” approach is planned as per the Protocols.

    NORKs could have a non-bloodline kingdom and still be able to resist in-group predators who want to take over. Using a familial blood-line is actually a long term weakness, as eventually an idiot son will be born.

  167. Truth says:

    This article is a little confusing, Old Sport; let me give it a whirl though: If you marry one woman, fuck her and only her and then die with her, you will be fine? Does that about cover it?

  168. Mefobills says:
    @israel shamir

    People are very easy to be set upon anybody, this a quality we share with apes. Probably a wise man should remember that.

    Isreal, don’t you realize that our Jewish friends are a big part of the problem? The owning of the press is necessary to program lumpenproletariat with narrative.

    D. Strauss_Kahn was probably a good guy, who had gone off the reservation with regards to IMF. IMF consistently creates money loans to then harvest populations with new debt, and also entrap nations with austerity. This is very much usury operations, a specialty of our friends. Kahn was killed as he was bucking the money power in the same way that Jesus bucked the Pharisees and money lenders in the Temple.

    https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202008071080096247-humans-tend-to-be-focused-on-short-term-because-long-term-is-too-unpredictable-academic-says/

    Robin Dunbar: I think the bottom line really is that all primates live in what are essentially implicit social contracts. So that’s the nature of their societies, the nature of their evolution-ally innovation if you like. It’s what’s made the primates so successful as a group. By definition being one of those, a member of that family, at the end of the day our societies our social contracts. We succeed when we all agree to pursuing a particular line of behaviour and behaving in certain ways, and not behaving in other ways. But again, it’s a problem of scale because our psychology is designed to handle very small communities where you’ve only got a couple of hundred people maybe in the community. At that level, we’re quite good at sort of agreeing what to do, it’s just that it doesn’t scale up awfully well.

    The owned press manufactures consent to then force a particular line of behavior. Primates want to have social contracts. The owned press can whip primate people up into a frenzy … an unthinking mob. Kill whitey is the latest manifestation.

    I don’t think a Jew can point a finger at Puritans without three fingers pointing back at him. You have to walk away from the Jewish religion… disavow it, as it is a creditor doctrine, and nothing good can come from it.

    That said, any civilization can have a “creditor” over-reach class attempt to take over. When Jesus started his mission, it was on the Jubilee year, and against Hillel and the pharisee class. This group of predatory creditors were attempting a take over.

    Hillel’s Prozbul clause was forcing debtors to sign away their jubilee rights to Pharisee “creditors”. Today’s Judaism is the philosophical descendant of Hillel, and today’s Talmudists not interested in a balanced civilization, and neither is their Puritan creation.

    Puritans and many other oxymoronic Judeo-Christians , along with most Jews, are not in alignment with core teaching… they are reading their bibles in anachronistic ways. Western Civilization has now polarized between grasping Creditors, and their Debtors; debtors who are being milked.

    Rather than release debts to un-polarize society, finance plutocracy will whip primates up into a frenzy. Look over there, but don’t look at me while I pick your pockets. Or, “I’m a jew, a special victim, and I can do no wrong, while I pick your pockets.”

    https://michael-hudson.com/2017/12/he-died-for-our-debt-not-our-sins/

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  169. @Thim

    The so-called Pilgrims were not on a pilgrimage to sacred spaces. They totally disregarded the spiritual ways of the original inhabitants of Turtle Island. In all truth, these invaders were Puritans, a religious sect which essentially got kicked outta Anglican England because they wanted to impose their Old Testicles ideology/morality on everyone else. They were deeply imbued with books like Leviticus, a recipe/program for conquest and genocide on behalf of their self-created tribal WarGod, Yahweh, whose depiction was nothing other than that of a bloodthirsty beast.

    In a bit over 200 years from their arrival at Plymouth Rock, their descendants, at least among the thinking classes had matured into Transcendentalists, essentially a spiritual, literary and artistic movement which characterized the highest level of civilization with the American experience. However, in time the Puritanical mantle was assumed by the Methodists, who too had become literate, but mostly stuck to a single book–yes, the Old Testicles–along with the bowdlerized version of Christianity as promulgated by Constantine in his concentration on embellishing and buttressing Imperial state power. Following the Methodist circuit riders and their “Great Awakening” came the even more low-caste Baptists, particularly the Southern-fried variety, along with the Pentecostal Dissemblers of God and more latterly the totally devolutionary Dispensationalists and–heaven help us, the totally moronic oxen, the “Christian” Zionists.

  170. @israel shamir

    It’s not easy to be a good goyim.
    Strauss-Kahn was an intramural Jew op.
    But Epstein? We have to give a pass to a monster?? A monster who worked for a foreign power which is ruthlessly undermining our own.That’s a jew too far! And it was the jews who killed him,anyway. Oy!

    • Replies: @lysias
  171. Sweden, ah, Sweden….

  172. @Donald Duck

    Somehow Swedish menfolk lost it’ along the line–and they’re not even circumcised!! The Mother Knows Best element among feminists along withtotal nutter Crowing Hens like the egregious, late Andrea Dworkin basically imposed their rabid ideology on Swedish culture. For the most part, the Danes, Finns and Norwegians get a few belly-laughs outta the most populous (and undigestible immigrant-laden) of all the Northern lands.

  173. Dumbo says:
    @israel shamir

    Do you see for yourself the frenzy of some of our readers just because I said some guys are innocent

    Paolo Roberto is not exactly innocent, as buying sex seems to be illegal in Sweden, while selling is legal. The law is idiotic, but that doesn’t matter, he’s not “innocent”, and he probably knew that what he was doing was illegal.

    Epstein was also convicted of prostituting a 14-year old (2008). He certainly did much worse stuff.
    To say that he’s “innocent”, I don’t even know what it’s supposed to mean. Even not covering the Mossad angle, he was a criminal pimp and a user of illegal underage prostitution.

    Weinstein… Another sleaze-bag. But perhaps less serious, as Asia Argento and other people that he supposedly “raped” are clearly stupid sluts who were no victims, and not underage. Still, he was also convicted of sexual assault according to the law.

    You can argue that the laws are wrong, but you won’t find much sympathy here for the likes of Weinstein or Epstein. (Paolo Roberto, maybe, he seems more like a normal guy in a moment of weakness).

    An actual return of Puritanism might even be good. What we see now is not Puritanism, it’s exactly the opposite. The idea of sexual puritanism was to protect the chastity of women, which is the exact opposite of what we see now.

    I usually like your articles, but this one was definitely not one of the best.

  174. @Mefobills

    Mefobills: We seem to have independently arrived at a number of related conclusions. As a recovering journalist, I happen to be a student of semantics. Our mutual enemies constantly and consistently utilize semantics as a mode of psychological warfare against WE THE PEOPLE. Consider that demolition job they did on OUR Bill of Rights with their so-called “Patriot Act.” Is it not more truthful to call it the “Patriot Suppression Act”? Likewise, the regicidal, treasonous Lyndon Johnson set up the Warren Commission to ‘finalize’ the inside-job assassination of JFK, in which, along with Daddy WarBu$h for the CIA, he was a primary actor. Semantically, the more accurate and semantically puissant description would be the “Warren Coverup Commission”. That gets down to it’s raison d’ etre, does it not?

    Finally, the point: You finger the Judeo-Christians. Reminds me of the despicable James Hagee and his “Christian Zionist” moronic oxen. For perhaps the past 30 years my description for that alleged civilizational meme is “The Judie-Christy Magick Mindfuck.” After all, is not their monotheistical and patriarchal pretension nothing more or less than a method by which western peoples were deeprived of their spiritual relationship to the natural world and all of creation–a relationship which could be accurately described as positive magic–a synthesizing, harmonizing, connective engagement with the all that is One and the one that is All.

  175. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    No question Jews are sick and obsessed with sex. In Jew heavy Ivy League, they are now having “Sex Week” every year to encourage students to have lots of sex, talk about sex and to experiment with all types of sex. The madness started at Jew heavy Yale, then spread to UPenn, Harvard and other Ivies, and at every school it is sponsored by non other than the campus Hillel and LGBTQ club.

  176. If this story is true- and I have no reason to doubt its veracity- the only sin is Paolo’s spinelessness.

    He should have shouted: fuck you, dumbfucks. A man should have sex with a woman if he doesn’t force on her, whether with or without pay. That’s human nature. What happens among them is none of your fucking business.

    If you legalize otherwise- you’re degenerate creeps, idiots & better commit suicide, you pathetic whiners. You can suck my Swedish-Italian dick.

    No excuses. Fuck you.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  177. After reading this, I’m left wondering how preference for a more prurient society is one in keeping with the message of Jesus. If we accept that sexual relations with younger women have been the norm among humankind far longer than not, we also have to consider that they typically occurred within the parameters of marriage and familial approval, not as some casual enterprise yielding little consequence for the parties involved.

    Respectfully, I’d like Mr. Shamir to address this question: How do you square nostalgia for a concupiscent environment with Christianity — in particular, the obvious implications of Matthew 5: 29?

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  178. commandor says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “This is what Hitler thought too. He saw little hope for “half Judaized, half negrified America”, and put racial survival, as he conceived it, first. Yet the event of the matter was that Germany lost the war.”

    And he was right. Germany lost the war against Russia, not against America. America lost the war, too. White America lost WW2 the moment it incited Japan to attack it, White America lost the war when it genocided Hitler Youth boys. White America lost WW2 and the current state of affairs is their prize.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  179. Druid55 says:
    @Z-man

    And try to tell/educate a jew about this. Guess what you will be called. The tribal cord is too strong. They don’t want to know.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  180. lysias says:

    Looks like the Israelis are worried enough by the threat coming from Epstein/Ghislaine to burn Shamir’s credit to defend them.

  181. lysias says:
    @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    Why do you believe it was Epstein who died? I don’t.

  182. “White nationalist supremacist Christian Patriot” serves as the alter ego of “persecuted” “Jews” which is an alter ego itself

    You’re either rich and powerful or you’re everyone else on the planet

    The Saudis never heard of “Islamofobia”…… imagine them whine and complain 24/7 about being eternal Burnt Sacrifice victims.

    Not a pretty picture

  183. commandor: “Germany lost the war against Russia, not against America. America lost the war, too. ”

    Funny, but I seem to remember that America and Russia both occupied a defeated Germany.

    commandor: “White America lost … ”

    The white race may be dying, but it’s not dead yet. A global collapse of the technological system could still save it.

  184. @Wally

    I don’t have the book handy but from memory in his Galilee Flowers he says there was no “Holocaust”, only war deaths. And also that the totality of the 19th-century Russian pogroms didn’t amount to more than a month’s oppression of the Palestinians by the Jews, that he calls their Most Immoral Army the pogromchiks. (I’ve probably mis-spelled there.)

    • Replies: @Wally
  185. “Mr Maxwell”
    While often described as “British”, this person was originally named Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch. Israel seems to have uncovered an endless heap of Jewish criminals. He doesn’t mention “Bill Browder”, however.

  186. Wally says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Thanks.

    But it is curious that he dodges the questions and does not make his position clear.

  187. Johan says:

    Weinstein was just another victim of Zionism, his likes.., through the establishment’s tabloid gossip medium the Jew York Times, Zionism threw another stick with dirt on it into the hens house, the Western world. A combination of two disastrous forces, the Zionist Jews and the modern mad emancipated females, turning the Western world into a complete lunatic asylum. The whole affair is totally pathetic, no man worthy to be called a man gives the matter any attention, other than to realize it is just another Zionist utilization of lunar Western females.

  188. Z-man says:
    @Druid55

    That reminds me of my dentist, a Jew of course. LOL. He’s my age and not as good a dentist as his father whose practice be took over many years ago. I know where he comes from and I know you can’t say anything to educate him about how things really are. First he’d claim ignorance and then he’d get offended. And I have my priorities, he takes care of my teeth. 😂 (Big grin)

  189. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @Svevlad

    What’s a Nordoid?

    – Clueless

  190. @Druid

    You’re a better man. It’s probably worth poring over Shamir’s stuff to see what his positions are long-term.

    What I did notice about him: although he’s all over his comment sections, he NEVER debates or even clarifies contentious points and push-back. Instead, he jumps on any comment making him look good.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  191. Loup-Bouc says:

    Would that all Unz Review authors were near-clones of Israel Shamir — even if they do not share Mr. Shamir’s subject-interests.

    Mr. Shamir is one of the three best Unz Review writers — Linh Dinh, Larry Romanoff, and Mr. Shamir. As I have read more of the articles of those three writers, I have neared concluding that Mr. Shamir’s writing is far the very best.

    I mean just writing, quite and only WRITING — not any political, legal, social, historic, medical, or other substantive position of the writer. I mean diction, grammar, syntax, style, average paragraph-length, average sentence length, choice of punctuation, rhythm, meter, poetic device, TOOLS of logic.

    But Mr. Shamir’s pieces render the reader much more vital gifts: Honor, integrity, empathy, common sense, good faith, absence of pretension, earnest, defensible sense of truth, non-submissive humility, absence of arrogance, willingness of admitting fallibility.

    Mr. Shamir is a Jew holding Israeli citizenship and, previously, a soldier of Israel’s incarnation of an ironic quasi-Third-Reich. Yet (like me) though Mr. Shamir decries and contemns the “Chosen People” who follow and use the horrendously evil religion of Yahweh, he is not anti-Semitic.

    As in his article “The New Puritans,” Mr. Shamir will defend Jews (or any others) who suffer unjust attack. Mr. Shamir appreciates, deeply, that always, in every situation, the rational and empathic matter — the only sane and legitimate matter — is the exact, particular conduct of the individual — NOT the individual’s ethnicity, particular genetic structure, birthplace, or family history.

    Perhaps most important: Mr. Shamir’s writing bears a twinkle of guileless wit (like my sweet smart Border Collie’s eyelight when she teases me with her toys).

    Thank you, Israel Shamir.

    • Thanks: israel shamir
    • Troll: Sya Beerens
  192. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    I few moments ago, I read Larry Romanoff’s most recent piece, “The Anger Campaign Against China.” That piece’s quality matches the stench of a Dracula perishing in sunlight.

    So, I retract my suggestion that Romanoff is one of the three best Unz Review writers. Now the kings are two: (1) Israel Shamir; (2) Linh Dinh (whose latest piece, “Still Tranquil Belgrade,” is beautifully written).

    • Replies: @anonymous
  193. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for confirming for us the depravity of the Jews, Ismail Shamir.

    Enough said.

  194. @AnonStarter

    Matthew 5:29 sounded very familiar to Jewish contemporaries of Christ. They also had such ideas. If a man touches his penis (let alone masturbates) his arm should be cut off, says Talmud. Tolstoy toyed with similar idea in Father Sergiy. People do have a problem with sexuality. My generation, boomers, had very little of it. And still some of us had found a way to Christ. My personal answer is : less guilt and more gratitude.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Loup-Bouc
  195. dfordoom says: • Website
    @geokat62

    “The sexual revolution usually refers to a social movement challenging traditional behaviors related to sexuality, reproduction, and interpersonal relationships, throughout the Western world, and often seen as beginning in the 1960s, in part due to improved contraception.

    However, changes had occurred earlier than this, such as in association with the scientific/industrial revolutions, the demographic transition, increasing influence of liberalism, and reduced influence of religion. Also important were movements such as Freudian psychoanalysis, Marxism, Boasian anthropology, and Cultural Marxism, which all criticized the traditional Western views.”

    Which is pretty much what I said. There were various factors involved. In my view the contraceptive pill, which made contraception easier, more reliable, more convenient and less likely to interfere with sexual pleasure than ever before, was the biggest single factor.

    Which still doesn’t make it a conspiracy by evil Jewish men to get into the pants of gentile w0men.

    It was a complex phenomenon with multiple causes. Jews played a part in it. Gentiles played a part in it. Jews played a large rôle in Second Wave feminism but Second Wave feminism had a large anti-sex component (think of the rabidly anti-sex Andrea Dworkin).

    Mostly the sexual revolution happened because people liked the idea. Curiously enough a lot of people actually do like the idea of having enjoyable casual sex without consequences and without being riddled by guilt. Of course it’s deplorable from a social conservative point of view but the sad fact is that if people are suddenly given the opportunity to indulge in casual sex a lot of them will grab that opportunity.

    The forces that might have restrained them (religion, close-knit traditional communities, a strong belief in the importance of traditional values) had been weakened by many different factors.

    Whether you think the sexual revolution was a good thing or a bad thing it wasn’t a conspiracy. Like most things it was the result of lots of social, economic and cultural changes (which could not have been prevented) having unforeseen consequences.

  196. @PetrOldSack

    The problem with the attack version that it would drive a wedge between Hezbollah and the Lebanese.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  197. @Really No Shit

    And where is the fattened calf?

    • LOL: Really No Shit
  198. @Parsnipitous

    he NEVER debates

    I am always ready to debate, but how can one debate with the comments like “all Jews are criminals”?

    • Thanks: Loup-Bouc
  199. First, I don’t trust anyone named “Israel” or “Shamir”. The author seems to believe that no one has sex, anywhere, ever. Prince Andrew has already been caught weaving a web of lies. But he would have us believe that there’s nothing to see here ladies and gentlemen.

    And it wasn’t “the Victorians” who said the thing about the horses. It gaolbird homosexual Oscar Wilde.

    A pig in a poke is simple. A poke in a pig is where it gets expensive.

  200. @Mike Robeson

    “Morocco, one of four countries in the world not to have an extradition treaty with the US”

    You are eerily uninformed about extradition. Malta, North Korea, Eritrea, Sudan, Libya, Belarus, Iran, ….

  201. RodW says:

    Chapeau for Mr Trump who dared to express sympathy to Ms Maxwell. This was an act of incredible bravery, to step out of line and to say a few kind words to her and about her.

    Well that’s an extraordinarily charitable view of his behaviour. Do no other reasons spring to mind, besides his customary pandering to jews? She’s not dead yet, and she’s probably savvy enough to understand the principle of the dead man’s switch.

  202. This debate seems now a whole world away from the first paragraph of Israel’s original post. Where did the case of Paolo Roberto get left. OK Israel expanded his post into other areas, but surely these were basically about the presumption of innocence and the burden and standard of proof relating to evidence used in the context of a criminal case. Yet, we’ve now arrived at Lebanon and Hezbollah.

    Best to get back to the need to prove cases beyond reasonable doubt, no matter how savory or unsavory the participants. Look at George Floyd ante the autopsy and now post the autopsy and the police body cameras. How things can change.

  203. kenfree says:

    I agree with the central thesis that the sexual revolution was a widely popular development, however, whilst I think history shows that the ultra-conservative approach to sexuality was accompanied with abundant hypocrisy, the fact remains that divorcing sexuality from a committed monogamous relationship undermines a central pillar of Christian social order, and I hope Shamir will comment on this point.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  204. @kenfree

    I do not know when we had “Christian social order”. Perhaps, never. Not for the last 200 years certainly, unless some small communities like Quakers or Mennonites. Sexuality was rather tolerated than celebrated by Christianity (and Judaism, too),

    • Agree: dfordoom
  205. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “But here, it’s useful to recall that the welfare state itself was invented by Otto von Bismarck, as a “conservative” response to Marxism.”

    The sterilisation of the feeble-minded was picking up steam in the 1920s. Why did it stop? It could clearly have gone on to become part of culture.

    > “Yet the event of the matter was that Germany lost the war. Why?”

    Because he did not understand Christianity, and instead hoped England would be efficient and not kill itself.

    > “And how did such a bizarre ethical system (n.b., itself a form of technology) evolve in the first place…”

    My working hypothesis is – a fluke in the evolution of the brain/consciousness. The “unintended” susceptibility to memes, malicious memes. (It could have been intended under different conditions, but when a barbarian king accepts Jesus for préstige, it is now a path to oblivion only a keen mind will see.)

    The circumstantial unfitness of man in certain fast-changing events such as those German/Slavic barbarians faced in/around the Roman Empire. But the memes can be defeated with memes. This is the question of survival for all intelligent life on the planet. This ideological war.

    > “…let alone come to dominate the planet as it does?”

    That dominance is illusory, the power ephemeral. It’s like a shockwave of an explosion. When it passes, it’s over. (Might be a little fall-out, too.) It has no staying power. It’s a paper tiger. A colossus with the feet of clay.

    @commandor

    White America could have won the war had they truly genocided Germany and settled the desert of peace with American Aryans. Japan, likewise. I’m not an idealist globalist like Chechar. There are no sins. There is only survival. (Of course, the war was internecine and regrettable, and if Savitri is right, truly evil.)

    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Mitford)

    @Dr. Robert Morgan
    > “The white race may be dying, but it’s not dead yet.”

    If Chechar is right, the Aryan race would need a proper archetype, a legend. This would not be possible to erect when the past is the murder of their sister nation for the god of the Jews and the betterment of all non-European humanity. The massive karmic debt requires a lot of suffering to right the wrong psychological view of the world and of the legacy of the Anglo sub-race.

  206. Rich says:
    @The Real World

    I’ve never met any of the priests accused of raping teenage boys. Or girls, or nuns. Apparently they’re out there and if it were up to me, any one who did that would be executed. But, from what I’ve read, the incidence of priests molesting underage individuals is about the same as in any profession that comes into contact with minors. Certain leftist groups play up the small number of occurrences in order to castrate the Church and make them unable to defend Traditionalism. There are stories out there that many of the homosexual priests involved in these disgusting acts, were purposely planted in the Church by communists. Who knows? I never trusted my kids alone with any adult, they were all suspects to me.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  207. @israel shamir

    Thank you for your response.

    Talmudic extremism is one thing, but the regularly recurring advocacy of Scripture is undeniably one of admonition against lascivious conduct, whether in the narratives ascribing that momentary deviation to prophets or in explicit condemnation of it, as is found in the Torah and Gospel.

    Diminishing such admonition to a relic of yesteryear appears to undermine the transcendent wisdom of it, which is to distance the faithful from action that would harm the health of the family — the microcosm, the nucleus of any given society.

    Moreover, it misses the point that one of the reasons contemporary humankind has slouched so deeply into Gomorrah — rather than into Plymouth colony — is precisely because people have fallen further away from applying such wisdom.

    The problem is less with sex itself than it is with the notion that we can engage in it freely without personal or societal consequence. In the libertine west, the proliferation of sexually transmitted disease, abortion, failed marriages, abysmal birth rates, and dysfunctional children born out of wedlock is all we need to put the lie to that claim.

    I hold that the revival of the west is dependent largely upon its application of the Gospel. Let the MeToo movement kvell as it will. A disciple of Jesus shouldn’t have to worry about them anyways.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  208. Loup-Bouc says:
    @israel shamir

    Mr. Shamir:

    This note replies both to your comment and, tangentially, to AnonStarter’s comment to which your comment replies.

    I find mysterious your apparently adhering to the Christianity of the Eastern Church and yet holding the sexuality views you appear to hold. The mystery perplexes me specially because your published writings suggest, to me, that you are a truly good man — i.e., a BEAST.

    TAO TE CHING, CHAPTER 38, lines 1-2,8-16 [my translation]

    A truly good man does not apprehend his goodness, and SO is good.
    A foolish man tries to be good, and SO is NOT good.

    ***

    When Tao is lost, goodness does not exist.
    When goodness is lost, kindness begins.
    When kindness is lost, justice begins.
    When justice is lost, ritual begins.
    Ritual is the husk of faith & loyalty, the beginning of confusion.

    In “knowledge” of the future one finds just a gaudy sham of Tao.
    Prescience is the beginning of folly.
    The great man is the truly good, who dwells on what is real — the fruit, not the flower.
    Accept the fruit; ignore the flower.

    I confess I am an atheist and contemn all religion, even personal moral codes, even superego. As Tao Te Ching implies, all morals are, ultimately, evil. [Surely, “God” will not forgive my confession. I would curse “God” if “God” tried.]

    I sense you are, truly, a beast (like my sweet Border Collie who would die defending me and like wolves and geese who mate for life because such mating is what they are). And THUS I suggest you read the works I shall list shortly below.

    The listed works — and the author, Wilhelm Reich — deserve preface.

    Like some of the men who are subjects of your article, Dr. Reich suffered character-assassination wrought by the psychopath left. For some time since John F. Kennedy, the left has been near-entirely psychopathic. [I do not mean the right is healthy; but at least right tends to imperil liberty a bit less than does the left.] Until about three years ago, I believed, foolishly, that not the whole left was psychopathic or lunatic, and that a non-psychopath, non-lunatic left offered a chance of turning society toward a healthful direction. I ought to have known better, because of, among else, the left’s ultimately murderous destruction of Wilhelm Reich.

    Contrary to common false assertions fostered by the psychopath left, Dr. Reich was not found to have violated any rule of the FDA or to have committed any crime or to have been nuts or to have rendered false science. Dr. Reich was imprisoned solely for contempt of court. His “contempt” was his refusing to recognize (to agree) that the federal (or any) jnudiciary possesses legitimate power to determine whether science is science.

    The case began because a psychopathic left journalist claimed that Dr. Reich published a false claim concerning the relation of “orgone energy” and cancer. Actually, the psychopath journalist claimed so becauser Dr. Reich argued that parents, and society, ought not bar children’s free expression of their sexuality and that society is sick, and virtually suicidal, quite because parents and society repress children’s, adolescents’, and adults’ sexual freedom.

    Close colleagues urged Dr. Reich to put a defense. Dr. Reich refused because of his belief that science was above the law. I do not defend, or criticize, Dr. Reich’s refusal to defend himself. The matter is not his imprisonment and his dying while in prison or the psychopathy that caused that end of his magnificent life. The matter is the vitrue of Dr. Reich’s works, three of which I list now (though all his works deserve your reading them):

    (1) Wilhelm Reich, THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY OF FASCISM (Orgone Institute Press New York 1946), http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/reich-fascism.pdf
    AND
    (2) Wilhelm Reich, INVASION OF COMPULSORY SEX-MORALITY, excerpted here: https://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/invasion_of_compulsory_sex-morality.pdfAll morals are, ultimately, evil.
    AND
    (3) Wilhelm Reich, Wilhelm Reich, CHARACTER ANALYSIS (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux 1972, paperback 1990), Paperback ISBN-13: 978-0-374-50!J8IJ–l, Paperback ISBN-lO: 0-:374-50980-8, excerpted here: https://wilhelmreichtrust.org/character_analysis.pdf.

    Why do I refer you to those works of Wilhelm Reich? They can feed, and mature, much to you benefit, your sense that moves you to write articles like that to which this comment relates.

    Cheers,

    Loup-Bouc

  209. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rich

    There are stories out there that many of the homosexual priests involved in these disgusting acts, were purposely planted in the Church by communists.

    That’s obviously nonsense.

    What seems to have happened is that the Church was becoming less attractive as a career option for heterosexual men but more attractive to homosexual men (they love all that ritual). As more and more homosexuals joined the Church they reached a critical mass and were then able to make the Church more and more attractive to homosexuals and less and less attractive to heterosexual men.

    It wasn’t a communist plot. It was a homosexual plot.

    Much the same thing happened in the Anglican Church. In the Anglican Church (and some Protestant churches) there also seems to have been a major infiltration by lesbians.

    Homosexuals are incredibly good at taking over organisations.

    And it’s not difficult to see why male homosexuals and lesbians would be keen to establish themselves in churches. So many opportunities to get to troubled young people and convert them to homosexuality.

    The big problem was that the Church did nothing to stop this process. They were having so much trouble attracting young men into the priesthood that they convinced themselves that if homosexual men were all they could get then having huge numbers of homosexual priests would not a problem. What could possibly go wrong?

    • Replies: @Rich
  210. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    Moreover, it misses the point that one of the reasons contemporary humankind has slouched so deeply into Gomorrah — rather than into Plymouth colony — is precisely because people have fallen further away from applying such wisdom.

    But that slouching into Gomorrah is a direct result of Christian attitudes towards sex. It is the inevitable reaction against sexual puritanism and sexual guilt.

    The increasingly hostile and puritanical attitudes towards sex that came in the wake of the Reformation were an extreme response, which inevitably triggered an extreme reaction.

    Guilt and shame in regard to sex lead either to puritanism or libertinism, which are in some ways two sides of the same coin. They’re both the result of an unhealthy obsession with sexual guilt.

    America proved to be fertile soil for Puritanism so it was inevitable that it would be equally fertile soil for libertinism.

    What happens is an oscillation between two extreme views of sex, with no sane moderate middle ground.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  211. I was disappointed that Shamir did not mention Bill Cosby, an old black man, legally-blind, who had been an example to his people, and who will, due to an unfair ten year sentence, probably die in prison. His first persecution (I didn’t misspell it) led to a hung jury, and some PA taxpayers (I am one) thought it ridiculous to have to pay for a second trial. But our Jewish AG, Josh Shapiro, wanted a scalp on his resume, so he persecuted the Great Comedian a second time, for a “crime” that had happened many years before. Indeed, only one woman’s claim, fell within the statute of limitations, although many other “victims” were called by the prosecution to testify. If Cosby had been a rabble rouser like Jesse Jackson, BLM would have rioted. But, since Cosby often scolded the black community for various good reasons, they were silent to this perversion of justice.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @israel shamir
  212. Gman2 says:
    @Anonymous

    The suffragettes were early feminists. They were racist and supported Prohibition.

  213. @follyofwar

    Yes, there are so many men who were accused of a crime and suffered ignominy! It would be a book, not an article, to list all of them.

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  214. @Loup-Bouc

    You could mention Mysteries of the Organism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.R.:_Mysteries_of_the_Organism
    by Dushan Makavejev, an excellent film!

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  215. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    My comment of August 9, 2020 at 1:46 am GMT (comment # 214) includes this passage:

    (2) Wilhelm Reich, INVASION OF COMPULSORY SEX-MORALITY, excerpted here: https://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/invasion_of_compulsory_sex-morality.pdfAll morals are, ultimately, evil.

    Somehow, the webpage link was deranged by its being bound to the sentence “All morals are, ultimately, evil” —which sentence is errant, an inexplicable duplication of the same sentence occurring earlier in the comment.

    The correct link is: https://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/invasion_of_compulsory_sex-morality.pdf

    Corrected, the passage is:

    (2) Wilhelm Reich, INVASION OF COMPULSORY SEX-MORALITY, excerpted here: https://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/invasion_of_compulsory_sex-morality.pdf

  216. chris says:
    @Parsnipitous

    Completely agree, Parsnipitous !

    Alone the length of the article, at almost twice the size of his usual pieces, seems to belie the fact that he doesn’t have any arguments, and so he throws everything including the kitchen sink into it in order to obfuscate the very obvious trail from Epstein to the Mossad.

    Shamir’s technique seems to be to make such absurd arguments that the preposterous nature of his points throws off people from the otherwise normal line of argumentation. To claim that neither Weinstein nor Epstein were anything more than playboys who had a little fun is meant to trigger the reader away from rational argumentation.

    No mention of the despicable Acosta the corrupt cad and cowardly prosecutor who let Epstein go saying he was told he was tied to intelligence. And no mention of the simple fact that on the night Epstein “committed suicide” by complete coincidence, on the night he chose to end his life, also the CCTV cameras in his area and the guards, all fell asleep. Needless to say, the this is a zero probability event.

    And these are just the most obvious of the arguments that the commonly believed narrative is true. But I will reread this article a couple of more times, because when you know the magician is lying, you may better observe his art.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  217. @dfordoom

    Guilt and shame in regard to sex lead either to puritanism or libertinism, which are in some ways two sides of the same coin. They’re both the result of an unhealthy obsession with sexual guilt.

    First of all, we have to contextualize sex. Sadomasochism is not the same beast as a preteen crush.

    As such, I don’t hold that, of itself, shame in regard to sex necessarily leads to one or the other variety of extremism. In fact, that assertion is ironically more faith-based than not.

    Here’s a thought experiment: Remove moral reservation about every variety of sex from every individual in society. I should think that even the acolytes of Kinsey et al would hardly be satisfied with the results.

    Say of religion what one will, it serves a purpose that remains largely unappreciated not because it’s defined by its extremists, but because most men of today lack the fortitude to live up to its principles, thereby rationalizing their denial of it.

  218. Adûnâi: “The sterilisation of the feeble-minded was picking up steam in the 1920s. Why did it stop? It could clearly have gone on to become part of culture.”

    It didn’t stop in the 20s. It continued in Germany in the 30s and 40s and in America through most of the 20th century, although it gradually declined in popularity. Its eventual decline can be linked to a lot of different factors. The outcome of WWII is not without reason looked upon as a watershed event in the history of eugenics. Eugenics was “proved” wrong by force of arms.

    Adûnâi: “[Germany lost the war] Because he did not understand Christianity, and instead hoped England would be efficient and not kill itself.”

    So are you saying that if Hitler had understood Christianity, he would have avoided war? Or do you mean that if he had understood Christianity, he would have made different war decisions that would have enabled him to win? If the latter, then what should he have done that he didn’t do?

    Adûnâi: “My working hypothesis is – a fluke in the evolution of the brain/consciousness. The “unintended” susceptibility to memes, malicious memes.”

    This idea bears a family resemblance to Kevin MacDonald’s idea of a malfunctioning evolutionary mechanism, the so-called “pathological altruism”. I don’t buy it.

    Adûnâi: “That dominance is illusory, the power ephemeral.”

    Power is power, and dominance doesn’t vanish just because someone thinks it’s illusory.

    Adûnâi: “If Chechar is right, the Aryan race would need a proper archetype, a legend. ”

    Chechar seems to think there’s still some prospect of a mass movement comparable to Hitler’s, and in that context, I suppose that’s right. For my part, I don’t think a mass movement in favor of preserving the white race as it exists today is in the cards; as a practical matter, it’s not possible. I think only a global collapse of the entire technological system will save it. Such a thing may happen without a mass movement, either by accident, or by deliberate action taken by a lone wolf or small cell.

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  219. Rich says:
    @dfordoom

    No doubt you make some valid points. There is, however, a lot of scholarship out there, that says the communists back in the early 20th century, decided to make a concerted effort to destroy the Church and the use of homosexuals and other sexual deviants was their chosen method. Books written by Bella Dodd and Marie Carr and the testimony of many other former communists from the 1930s such as Budenz, Vassert, Gitlow, Kornfelder and Johnson are just a few of the names of these former communist party members who revealed parts of the plan. Naturally, you can believe or disbelieve them, but they do, at least, give one a reason to suspect this was part of the reason for the Church’s demise.

    That being said, if the numbers I’ve read about are true, the number of sexual deviants within the Church, was no different than in any other religious organization, school or sports club. Doesn’t make the crime any less horrible, but makes one wonder about the all out assault on what was one of the last voices of Traditionalism in the West.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  220. Kali says:
    @Alden

    Anyone who defends everyone accused of child rape going back to Leo Frank must have a reason for defending it.

    A Creepy Old Man of “God”. A “Christian” called “Israel”. A modern day Converso.

    One who sumultaniously defends the perverted activities of priests and prominent (Mossad) jews, trolls his own comment thread with tales of slander and rape in order to tar ALL women as liars and sluts.

    This “man” who played his part of converso so well for so many years, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a “Jew in a cassock”, would have us beleive that all women are liars and whores and all rapists and abusers are victims of harlots.

    And this is the MO of all unrepentant (child) rapists and abusers! They see no wrong in their actions, no crime. They see themselves as victims of unjust moral values and unjust laws. I have met them, I have spoken with police officers regarding their insistance on victimhood, I know why the sex offenders register came into being. – Because these “people” see no wrong in what they do.

    They look no deeper than their own perverted appetites, which they project onto their victims in order to excuse themselves.

    In my world the ONLY crime is crime against the child! Because when a child is harmed, so the future adult is damaged (even the strongest amongst us may take many, many years to undo such damage) and damaged adults make for a broken world!

    I have no idea whether “Israel” Shamir is an active rapist/child abuser or just a nasty, lecherous old man, but I do know that he is an apologist for the same.

    That he goes so far as to malign the tremendous investigative journalism of Whitney Webb in order to support his disingenuous “blame the victim” possition only goes to show just how disparate he is to protect “israel” and Mossad. Is his mention/defence of the Catholic Church in this piece merely a ruse to cover for his defence of “israel”?

    I find it interesting and quite telling that the whole focus of this article is on female victims (and non-victims) and entirely ignores the huge numbers of male victims. As you suggest, Alden, he may well be revealing his own fantasies, and so forgot about the boys..?

    It’s taken me several days to comment on this inverted moral stance that Shamir is suddenly championing because the reading of it rendered me speechless for a time.

    I know, through personal experience, the massive damage that abuse causes to children, and the long-term effects of such abuse. I know, through personal experience, how an inocent child can be turned into a tramp/whores for dirty lecherous old men to project their ugly fantasies onto, and to blame and maligne their prey for those same fantasies.

    In my world the ONLY crime is the crime against the child. And anyone attempting to justify or rationalise this crime is as guilty as if he/she had committed it.

    The penalty is death. After a generation or two the whole world would be a much more beautiful place, where adults, unharmed by vile childhood experiences, would not go on to harm others or to further harm themselves.

    In my world the sins of the adults would not be visited on the children, because those adults would be dead.

    Kali.

    • Agree: Alden
  221. @israel shamir

    And Frank deserved to be lynched 10 times over, along with his Sulzberger advocates

  222. Kali says:
    @israel shamir

    The point of my article is exactly that: it is not the law but public frenzy that is the problem. The guy was not even judged yet, but he already lost his business, his TV show, his shelf in the supermarket chain.

    No “Israel”, you are conflating:

    1. a ridiculous law, possible entrapment and subsequent media frenzy in Sweden,

    with

    2. a huge, international sexual blackmail operation involving thousands of children and adolescents very likely run by Mossad, for the purpose of “israeli” control of seats of power and influence around the world,

    with

    3. The over-hyped, and absolutely unhelpful #metoo campaign (which did nothing but further the “liberal” socio-political agenda),

    with

    4. the legally justified and entirely understandable lynching of Leo Frank.

    You are labeling anyone and everyone who speaks out against sexual exploitation as wrongheaded “neo-puritans”, because a “liberal” media frenzy got some guy in Sweden (wrongly) knocked off his perch.

    Do you see for yourself the frenzy of some of our readers just because I said some guys are innocent?

    And here you play the victim of the outrage you inspire by such outlandish , unsupportable, conflations.

    Nobody is allowed to say such things, every alleged wrong-doer has to be hunted, with or without trial.

    And this you cut from whole cloth. This imagined “puritan witchhunt”.

    The comments in this thread do not represent a “hunt” in any way, but an expression of outrage that you would take the linching of Leo Frank add the sexual depravity of Epstein and Maxwell and thrown in a wronged Swedish celebrity to make a case against an entirely invented category of “neo-puritans”. And of course, women.

    You know that many of the commenters on this website are better read, better informed, than the general population. You know that we are at least partly aware of the lies which are taught as history. You know that we know the part played by “Jewish Power” in shaping the shit-show we live in today. And you know, and you knew, exactly what response this article would elicit from such a knowledgeable audience.

    With this schadenfreude, your “jew” is showing. You cannot blame anyone but yourself for that.

    Kali.

  223. @israel shamir

    Thank you, Mr. Shamir, for taking the time to respond.

  224. Yes, good essay about the excesses of the modern Matriarchy attacking and emasculating men with their double standard blank checks of guilt and social truncheons designed to cripple a man’s reputation and end his career..

    But what were these too deformed eggs on top about, seeking to exonerate the vast excesses of Harvey Hollywood Weinstein and Jeff Save the Children Epstein? Hollywood culture has not only devoured countless wannabe stars hoping for stardom, it has contaminated and damaged countless million with debauchery, violence, vice, risky behavior, and twisted messages. Their CEOs permit not criticism of Israel, but they have trashed and distorted just about everything else with virtue in western society.

    And how can the Wexner-Maxwell-Epstein sex trafficking NOT be controlled by or be in bed with Mossad? If public exposure of sex scandals with underage kids is so devastating to politicians and VIPs, why wouldn’t Mossad use this very effective weapon? It is written in the Protocols, and an early example may go back to Brandeis and President Wilson… Besides Mossad fingerprints are all over this sex trafficking industry, with top Russia Jew mafiya monster Mogilevich being the main sex trafficker in Eastern Europe and Russia down to Israel, and with Lex Wexner’s houses all wired with cameras and free plane rides given to politicians.

    What did Amy Roback say “He [Epstein] made his whole living blackmailing people.”
    What did Maria Farmer quote Epstein saying, “I record everything and keep it for Wexner in his safe.” Les Wexner, Epstein’s “mentor/investor” Head of the Snake Jewish mishpuka fifth column in USA, Zionist uber spy for Israel… provides the mansions full of cameras, records all the massages, seductions, rapes, orgies, etc. and he has no intent to weaponize any of this for power politics? Poo.

    So the Mike Robeson passage is a smoke screen, and Shamir’s inclusion of it is either a joke, or a brain fart.

  225. Falbala says:

    From the comments to this article, a real broadening against Israel Shamir seems to prevail. Shamir is a troublemaker, it is like his trademark: in the 2000’s, he was branded as an anti-Semite, now there is more shouting to accuse Shamir of being a Mossad agent. But this is one of the most experimental, and therefore courageous, texts from a thinker who is never afraid to stand up and resist against the current, even if it is the dominant current among his readers and admirers. The article has its own dynamic, the writer lets himself be led by his manly anger, and reached certain conclusions that he possibly did not have in mind when he started writing. I, as a woman, thank him for being frank and direct in his reproaches to feminism, and also to female psychology in general. Yes, I am grateful that you point out our low basis instincts, especially that of blaming men for our sins, failures and defeats. Every girl who prostitutes herself, like Epstein’s girlfriends, is disgusted with herself, at least if she is young; but this does not entitle them to blame him for their liking for fairy tales, diamonds, and the flattery of a lush guy, who seemed reliable because he apparently had peaceful and free relationships with his wife. I understand that male readers feel offended by Shamir’s terrible portrayal of their masculine status as handcuffed and driven from their noses: it is very humiliating, what he writes, yes, but the lessons that are worthwhile usually hurt and burn like a slap in one’s face. So slaps for men and women, that is what this fearsome article offers us, the kind of slaps that angry prophets need to make the absent-minded sinners of their time think about. The onslaught against neo-puritanism may be completed with the feeling of an E. Michael Jones, who is horrified by the invasion of pornography as an instrument of political control. Perhaps this is the weakness of the invasive ideologies we are suffering from at the moment : they are contradictory, incoherent : puritanism on one hand, pornography and lgbt obscenity on the other hand. Let us hope that they will be overthrown by their own aspirations to totalitarism. Another issue : Shamir makes us discover that this new popular puritanism could be a way to get around the blackmail of anti-Semitism. At this point, I confess that I am astonished by his implicit defense of Leo Frank, the employer who abused his employees, and went so far as to kill 13-year-old Mary Phagan. E. Michael Jones claims that his lynching was a just response, taken by his fellow owners according to the old Southern rules when the state was unable to do justice; and he was not lynched at first, but after he was sentenced to death in the Atlanta court; it was then that Jews all over the country were bent on softening the sentence, corrupting journalists, witnesses and judges, while Leo Frank’s habit of molesting his pretty young workers was notorious. For Shamir, maybe the horrible Jew who kidnapped Oliver Twist was not a criminal either? The version of Dickens’ novel as filmed by the pedophile Roman Polanski (13 years is no sexual majority… but the parents were as guilty as he was in selling their daughter to the one who seemed to be the highest bidder) seeks to rehabilitate Fagin, and it is not convincing at all, just repulsive. Balzac also had a few great characters of rich, libidinous and abusive Jews. But let’s leave this subject for another time, maybe Shamir has some data that we don’t know… Am I very anti-Semitic, spiteful and addicted to gross bad Jewish cartoons ? In any case, as a woman, I confirm that such guys are disgusting and numerous, that they fall on young girls like vultures, and many are Jewish, or aspiring to become Jewish. But Shamir does not fall into this category, happily. So let him go on with his inquiries into the occult forces that move the masses, always helpful, and let us thank Shamir for never being among the meek followers, but among the pioneers and discoverers.

  226. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rich

    That being said, if the numbers I’ve read about are true, the number of sexual deviants within the Church, was no different than in any other religious organization, school or sports club.

    I’m sure that was the case a hundred years ago.

    I have an awful suspicion that you’ll find that since then other religious organisations, schools and sports clubs catering to young people have been attracting more and more homosexuals. Any organisation that provides access to vulnerable confused young people is going to attract a disproportionate number of homosexuals and lesbians, unless such organisations take active steps to keep them out. And most such organisations, including churches, including the Catholic Church, have failed to take those active steps.

    Doesn’t make the crime any less horrible, but makes one wonder about the all out assault on what was one of the last voices of Traditionalism in the West.

    I do agree that there has been a concerted attack on the Catholic Church. In the 1930s that attack may well have been spearheaded by communists. But I don’t think that’s been the case for a long long time. Traditionalism has over the past 60 years or so had much more dangerous enemies than communism. Communism is in any case now essentially dead.

    It also needs to be kept in mind that capitalism and liberalism have done far more damage to Traditionalism than communism ever did.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  227. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    This “man” who played his part of converso so well for so many years, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a “Jew in a cassock”, would have us beleive that all women are liars and whores and all rapists and abusers are victims of harlots.

    But he’s not saying that at all. You’re putting words into his mouth.

    What I understood him to be saying is that we need to be careful not to take accusations of sexual misconduct at face value because often (not always but often) these attacks are malicious or politically motivated. That is not at all the same thing as saying that “all women are liars and whores”. The fact is that some women do indeed make malicious and/or politically motivated accusations. That doesn’t seem to be a particularly unreasonable claim.

    He also seems to me to be saying that in such cases the presumption of innocence has gone out the window. A person’s life can be destroyed by a mere accusation, without any case being proven.

    It does seem to be very obvious that in the current political climate a person’s life can be destroyed by a media frenzy even when the evidence against the person is very very thin, or in some cases there’s no convincing evidence at all.

    The current political atmosphere is uncomfortably close to a witch-hunting atmosphere.

    • Replies: @Kali
  228. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “It didn’t stop in the 20s. It continued in Germany in the 30s and 40s and in America through most of the 20th century, although it gradually declined in popularity.”

    Dates… The question is why it declined? Reducing the low-IQ elements would have been a boon to an efficiency-worshipping society (EWS).

    > “Eugenics was “proved” wrong by force of arms.”

    Is this your sentiment, or are you talking from the position of the victors? Because: 1) how does defeating Germany make the EWS not adopt its sound policies? Germany invented/pioneered ballistic rockets, too; 2) if you mean it seriously, no, the eugenics programme had literally 0 generations to prove itself.

    > “So are you saying that if Hitler had understood Christianity, he would have avoided war? […]”

    Avoiding war would have been a sound idea. Turn Germany into an impregnable Nargothrond. Leave the NSDAP to fight a harder war – an ideological war in peace-time. Nuclear weapons now keep the flame of the DPRK imperishable, although the invention of the weapons might have been hugely delayed without a war.

    My advice to war-time – announce total war in June 1941 at the latest, not in February 1943. An easy victory. Also, more female employment, and more male conscription. These bourgeois pansies were so ridiculous. The DPRK is putting suicide bomber footage in their pop-songs sung by cute girls praising the leader personally, whereas Hitlerians were too squeamish to eat less.

    A third point – a proper view of Christianity would have put nationalism into perspective, and would have made Hitler tender towards Little Russians / Ukrainians. Nobody was racist in 1941. Nobody was predicting the death of the entire White race for some reason. I posit, the Christian Theory would have blackpilled them.

    A fourth point – turn Hitler’s Germany into a proper dictatorship. Start with removing crosses quietly. Then make show trials of pastors and priests, and leave them hanging. Then crucify the Pope if Badoglio capitulates in this time-line. You know, small steps, to ease the Germans into hating Jesus.(Whereas Dr. Goebbels did not consider it important to call Jesus a Jew even in May 1945.)

    > “This idea bears a family resemblance to Kevin MacDonald’s idea of a malfunctioning evolutionary mechanism, the so-called “pathological altruism”. I don’t buy it.”

    No, it does not. I am literally describing unique human intelligence and unique human culture as new spheres with new hazards. Just as bipedalism has given Man scoliosis, so too has His mind given him Negro-worship.

    > “Power is power, and dominance doesn’t vanish just because someone thinks it’s illusory.”

    The Aryan race in America won WW2 and now is a corpse. Russians likewise. That victory was an illusion because Christians can’t build.

    > “I think only a global collapse of the entire technological system will save it.”

    I for one am not an idealist Christian like Chechar. (Muh’ peaceful boy-fuckery with vegetarian orcas.) To me, survival without technology is just a long death. I’m not exactly a machine-merger, but those questions I would leave to my race in the future – to a race that is not cucked of the Prometëan flame it once wielded.

    Technology is power. AnPrim is castration.

  229. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dumbo

    > “Epstein is no better than those Pakistani pimps in Rotherham.”

    The Pakistani men, you mean? Pakistan is one of those countries where honourable masculinity is still common. They drench the faces of sluts in terrible acid causing painful burns that make them scarred for life. No feminism in Pakistan. (Meanwhile, Magda Goebbels was ready to leave her husband and the Reich because of an affair with a Czech whore, why was the Third Reich so cucked…)

    > ” And the reason they want to have sex with minors is because a) they are perverts and b) they can’t seduce an adult woman…”

    Seducing women is precisely for degenerate pimps. True men get engaged at birth by their loving family. We Aryans are the equals of faggots.

    > “Epstein in 2008 pleaded guilty to prostituting a 14-year old.”

    14 year olds are mature enough. 13 year old boys were considered adults after a coming-of-age ceremony.* A stark contrast to the modern mores of eternal manchildren (such as yours truly).

    *Although I have also heard that Scythians were not considered men until they drank the blood of their enemy.

    • Replies: @Alden
  230. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Narcissistic bombast that can turn on a dime, how stereotypically French.

    No one could troll so hard. This man may truly believe that anyone else would ever loop back to his self-cited comments.

  231. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Kali

    You write, Kali:

    A Creepy Old Man of “God”. A “Christian” called “Israel”. A modern day Converso.

    One who sumultaniously defends the perverted activities of priests and prominent (Mossad) jews, trolls his own comment thread with tales of slander and rape in order to tar ALL women as liars and sluts.

    This “man” who played his part of converso so well for so many years, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a “Jew in a cassock”, would have us beleive that all women are liars and whores and all rapists and abusers are victims of harlots.

    And this is the MO of all unrepentant (child) rapists and abusers! They see no wrong in their actions, no crime. They see themselves as victims of unjust moral values and unjust laws. I have met them, I have spoken with police officers regarding their insistance on victimhood, I know why the sex offenders register came into being. – Because these “people” see no wrong in what they do.

    I regret your perception of Mr. Shamir’s article and of Mr. Shamir. From your previous comments posted under other Unz Review articles, I inferred that your psyche does not suffer the psychopathy of left or the right — that, even, you bear the psychic ingredients of a healthy beast, who sees actuality, much as any intelligent, psychically healthy creature can apprehend. But, in your comment of August 9, 2020 at 2:39 pm GMT (comment # 226) [to which this comment responds] and in your comment of August 9, 2020 at 4:11 pm GMT (comment # 228), you prove my previous inference regrettably wrong.

    [MORE]

    You have been stricken by the bug that renders psychopathic the “New Puritan” women — and men. Like the psychopath who murders or brutalizes (with rape or amputation or aught other manifest horror) for the “joy’ of the power of the exercise, New Puritans (women or men) demonize, ruthlessly as unjustly, their victims and demolish their victims’ socioeconomic lives or terminate their liberty, for the “joy’ of the power of the exercise. Just so, if you could, you would destroy Mr. Shamir’s socioeconomic life and deprive him of freedom, for the joy of partaking of the power of the New Puritan mob.

    So, I see, now, that you did not assume the persona of the goddess Kali to destroy your own ego (as you asserted to me, https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/#comment-4075737 ). You assumed Kali’s persona because your psychopathy drives you to destroy men, the more heterosexually masculine, the more “deserving of” your wrath of Kali.

    Your psychopathy, like that of #MeToo and #BelieveWomen, derives from what Wilhelm Reich dubbed “Emotional Plague” — a psychopathy produced, ultimately, by childhood sexual repression, especially, but not only, if the sexual repression was coupled with physical or emotional abuse. I had wondered why you began to cozy up to nokangaroos, see, e.g., https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/#comment-4080980 Now I understand.

    In your comment of August 9, 2020 at 2:39 pm GMT (comment # 226) [to which this comment responds], you exhibit several of the qualities of emotional plague (suffered also by MANY Unz Review authors and commenters). You did not READ the actuality of Mr. Shamir’s article. Soon as you saw that he questioned the truth or justice of the character-assassinations his article considers, YOUR emotional plague mechanism, its thematic apparatus, interpolated and edited Mr. Shamir’s actual article and hallucinated into Mr. Shamir motives the “evils” your emotional plague character needs to see in truth, innocent inquiry, and healthy appreciation of healthy sexuality.

    I expect (though surely I cannot know, given only the spare pertinent evidence I have encountered) that you feel (even if you do not express the feeling) that masturbation is filthy and that childhood sexuality is an horrendous sin and that if a parent or other fostering adult supports or does not bar, even punish, childhood sexuality, that adult is feloniously criminal, perhaps even guilty of a capital offense.

    In my world the sins of the adults would not be visited on the children, because those adults would be dead.

    In pre-White-colonized Polynesia and Melanesia (e.g., the Trobriand Islands, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trobriand_Islands ) and their “primitive” cultures, free childhood sexuality was the overwhelming norm. Adults encouraged, even facilitated, childhood sexuality.

    Trobriand and Polynesian cultures were NOT male-dominated. In most such cultures, women ruled.

    Trobriand, Hawaiian, and Tahitian cultures were both matriarchal and matrilineal. When France colonized Tahiti and began imposing laws tasting somewhat European, initially inheritance was neither matrilineal nor patrilineal, but depended on specific facts of particular cases (almost as if, oddly, the French had created a rudimentary common law for Tahiti).

    Though Maori culture was not quite matriarchal, neither was it patriarchal; the sexes enjoyed essential equality politically and in most other ways — though labor division was primarily sex-based. Samoan culture was similar, but bore two interesting deviations: The chief was bound to obey his sister, and the men not only gathered most of the food, but also cooked it.

    Polynesians and the Trobrianders were happy creatures until they suffered oppression of European and American puritanical morality — according to which, innocent happiness was — and is, still — a sin.

    * [Side note:
    December 1962, when my first wife and I decided to marry, she, a then-devout Roman Catholic, asked that we marry in the Roman Church, though I was an atheist (and remain so today). I agreed. The Church required that we receive a priest’s marriage-instructions for some weeks before we could wed.

    In the first instruction-session, the priest demanded that we, she and I, accept that sex was only for procreation, that enjoying sex was a sin, that our sexual intercourse must involve ONLY the “missionary” position, and that, after I ejaculated, for several minutes (I cannot recall exactly, but I believe he said 5 minutes) my wife must remain lying on her back with her legs raised and her feet pointed rather toward her rear, my penis still inside her vagina, so my sperm would have maximum chance of causing her to conceive.

    When we left the instruction-session, without my having uttered even one word, my wife said (eyes flares, face a furnace, jaw a tightening vice): “We * will * NOT * marry * in * the * church.”

    A trial court judge married us. The Church excommunicated her.
    End of Side note:]

    I do NOT mean that I know or believe Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwel, or Harvey Weinstein were NOT sexual predators. But also I do not mean that I know or believe they WERE sexual predators.

    Like Mr. Shamir, having considered ALL the available relevant evidence (including the abundant, clear evidence of #MeToo and #BelieveWomen EVIDENCE-FREE character-assassinations of many men (like Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh), I cannot reach a conclusion but obtain only rational doubt. Like Mr. Shamir’s position, my position is only that JUSTICE and ORDERED LIBERTY require (a) sound, sufficient reliable-evidence-based PROOF and (b) the accused’s fair opportunity of defending himself and (c) full opportunity of confronting prosecution witnesses.

    Sound, sufficient reliable evidence? Defending himself? Confronting prosecution witnesses? Damned unfairly difficult — because of rape-shield laws, all unconstitutional, because they bar defense evidence of the alleged victim’s past sexual conduct unless the defense proves that his constitutional rights would be violated if he cannot adduce such evidence. All such evidence is materially relevant. Rape shield laws limit, egregiously, its use only because radical feminists harassed legislators and judicial rules committees enough to extort them to enact rape shield laws, to get the feminists to back off.

    In Epstein’s case, if the girls were at least 14-years-old, the non-legal (non-“statutory-rape”) issue is whether, actually, the girls wanted the sex. If they did, Epstein did not do a wrong, but merely violated a legal rule.

    Of all the cases Mr. Shamir notes, the case of most flagrant injustice is that of Julian Assange. That case involves a literally murderous alliance of the most psychopathic Swedish radical feminism and psychopathic U.S. and U.K. corrupt politics and neocon foreign policy. As did earlier Puritans, so do the New Puritans live to kill, oppress, and control.

    Mr. Shamir references Andrea Dworkin quite rightly. Ms Dwarkin epitomes the emotional plague rampant in radical feminism.

    Ms. Dworkin has insisted (as Mr. Shamir reports correctly) that every heterosexual intercourse is rape and every penetration a violation. Ms Dworkin has insisted even that in EVERY heterosexual coitus, the man’s penis is a KNIFE that STABS the ALWAYS-“VICTIM” woman and her feminine soul — even if the women is highly intelligent, mentally healthy, and very adult and desires the intercourse, even seduces it.

    Ms. Dworkin’s vision is flagrantly psychopathic as the vision of people who lynch Blacks or make Jews dance in lethal showers or “circumcise” women — OR circumcise human MALE infants. I see little difference separating the bulk of #MeToo and #BelieveWomen followers — any difference is merely one of degree.

    RE: “Emotional Plague, see, e.g., these sources:
    (1)(a) Wilhelm Reich, The Murder of Christ: The Emotional Plague of Mankind, ISBN-13: 978-0374504762, ISBN-10: 0374504768 (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux (1953), <bexcerpted at https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Christ-Emotional-Plague-Mankind/dp/0374504768/ref=pd_bxgy_2/132-8804494-8788735?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0374504768&pd_rd_r=f9e2a012-76d0-457e-b475-a67c150341d8&pd_rd_w=ZjFDf&pd_rd_wg=xzcyp&pf_rd_p=ce6c479b-ef53-49a6-845b-bbbf35c28dd3&pf_rd_r=R5M1DZEB4BCBQSF3KRN8&psc=1&refRID=R5M1DZEB4BCBQSF3KRN8
    (1)(b) Wilhelm Reich, PEOPLE IN TROUBLE PA (Emotional Plague of Mankind) (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux 1974), ISBN-10: 0374510350, ISBN-13: 978-0374510350, excerpted at https://www.amazon.com/People-Trouble-Emotional-Plague-Mankind/dp/0374510350
    (1)(c) THE EMOTIONAL PLAGUE, https://anarchy.org.au/anarchist-texts/reich-emotional-plague/ [full text of Chapter 16 of Wilhelm Reich, CHARACTER ANALYSIS (cited infra)
    (1)(d) https://www.orgonomy.org/articles/Science_Links/TJOG_42_2_extract_crist.pdf
    (1)(e)http://wilhelmreich.gr/en/orgonomy/orgonomy-and-sociology/social-psychopathology/emotional-plague/
    (1)(f) Charles Konia,The Emotional Plague: The Root of Human Evil (Aco Press, 1st Ed. 2007) ISBN-10: 0967967031, ISBN-13: 978-0967967035, excerpted at https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Plague-Root-Human-Evil/dp/0967967031
    (2) Wilhelm Reich, THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY OF FASCISM (Orgone Institute Press New York 1946), http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/reich-fascism.pdf
    AND
    (3) Wilhelm Reich, INVASION OF COMPULSORY SEX-MORALITY, excerpted here: https://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/invasion_of_compulsory_sex-morality.pdf
    AND
    (4) Wilhelm Reich, Wilhelm Reich, CHARACTER ANALYSIS (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux 1972, paperback 1990), Paperback ISBN-13: 978-0-374-50!J8IJ–l, Paperback ISBN-lO: 0-:374-50980-8, excerpted here: https://wilhelmreichtrust.org/character_analysis.pdf.

    I grant your this: You are a “full-service” psychopath. With your comment of August 9, 2020 at 4:11 pm GMT (comment # 228), you show yourself a vicious anti-Semite — NOT anti-Zionist or anti-Zionism, NOT a contemnor of the evil religion of Yahweh, but reflexively a hater of humans who happen to be “Jews” — not because they actually commit any particular actually evil acts, but because they are “Jews.”

    I anticipate that the Unz Review readership’s puritans will begin attacking MY character with evidence-free allegations. Try it, puritans. I am anonymous.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Kali
  232. Loup-Bouc says:
    @israel shamir

    Thank you for referencing the film. I appreciated most the closing minutes, where (I believe) the film-maker discusses his own Reichian therapy experience.

    But, the film bears the danger that its superficiality and folksy anecdotal evidence will mislead viewers vitally — so that they will misperceive, materially, the nature of Reichian therapy and the contents of Reich’s scientific work.

    One must read, carefully, all of Reich’s works (or at least all his major works) and undergo Reichian therapy rendered by a truly competent Reichian therapist (a “Medical Orgonomist”). I have done both.

    My Reichian therapist was Morton Herskowitz — brilliant, deeply empathic, technically magnificent. Dr. Herskowitz was Reich’s last protégé and final training-therapy patient. Dr. Herskowitz died two years ago (6 August 2018), at age 100. Until he was 98, he treated a full crop of patients and played tennis nearly every day.

    See, e.g., Morton Herskowitz, Emotional Armoring: An Introduction to Psychiatric Orgone Therapy (LIT Verlag Münster 1997), ISBN 3825835553, 9783825835552, excerpted here:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=MGYRg7sCyLsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Mr. Shamir,

    Please read my comment of August 10, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT (comment # 237)

    Cheers,

    Loup-Bouc

    • Replies: @Alden
  233. Alden says:
    @Mike Robeson

    Virginia is not and never was Epstein’s primary accuser. The evidence was all collected by the Palm Beach Police Department and when the violation of the 1910 interstate trafficking of women and girls for illegal sex acts became known the FBI was notified and did their own investigation of the interstate travel of them under age girls for sex purposes. It’s a 110 year old law, not something just whipped up by feminazis

    The local police and FBI investigations proved

    1 Virginia was born August 9 1983 birth certificate

    2 Virginia began work at Mar a Lago in April 1998 when she was 15 years old. Mar a Lago payroll records

    3 Household employees especially the cooks, drivers and other girls knew her by name and saw her coming and going beginning “ end of May first of June “. “ around the time school let out” “ before Fourth of July”

    Because the penalties for violating minors are more severe the younger the victims are, the investigators needed to learn the girls ages when they began to be sexually violated by Epstein. So the prosecutors could file the correct charges.

    4 The girls entered through the back door into the large kitchen, break room and went through a door into the kitchen up a stairs to the room where they serviced Jeffrey. The drivers who delivered Virginia, the cooks, other employees and girls sawVirginia often going upstairs to Epstein’s perv cave in June and July 1999 when she was 15 years old

    Virginia turned 16 on August 9 1999. She’d been molested by Epstein for 2 months before that. The penalties for illegal sex acts with 14 and 15 year olds are more severe than with 16 and 17 year olds. She’s not lying about her age.

    And if you think Virginia is the only accuser you’re a moron. The original investigation found more than 100 girls. She was in Australia in 2004 2005 and had no idea what was going on.

    REASON WHY FEDS DROPPED CHARGES

    Epstein’s attorney, Allen Dershowitz wrote a 24 page letter to the FBI and federal prosecutor that ex President Clinton and several other politicians hoped the FBI would drop the case because among Epstein’s other philanthropic activities Epstein was a founding member of the Clinton Foundation.

    The FBI and federal prosecutor dropped the case entirely. The local county district attorney and police department arranged to have Epstein plead guilty to soliciting a 14 year old for prostitution under massive pressure from the FBI

    All the evidence was collected between 2004-2006 Virginia had nothing to do with that investigation.

    I do hope you confine your interest in underage minors to what’s on your computer.

    • Thanks: Kali
  234. Alden says:
    @Adûnâi

    What was legal 4,000 years ago and is legal in Pakistan is not legal in America today. Your claim that “ 14 year olds are mature enough” shows you don’t even think of under age girls and all women as human beings with free will who would want any sex or advances from your disgusting creepy self.

    Obviously you don’t have any daughters sisters or other women relatives. Just another pervert wanking away as he defends breaking the laws by having sex with underage minors.

    I sincerely hope law enforcement is monitoring yours and others posts.

    • Replies: @warbling j turpitude
  235. Alden says:
    @Donald Duck

    Why is it illegal to use toilets after 10 pm ? Does the law apply to private homes as well as public rest rooms? What about bars? I understand Swedes are heavy drinkers. How does it get managed? Can drinks pee in the street as they do in Britain and Germany? When do Swedish bars close?

    Making it illegal to use toilets after 10PM is very discriminatory to women. Men can always pee out a window, but women can’t. Shouldn’t the Swedish feminazis change the law? What about opening windows in the middle of winter? Is it still legal to use chamber pots in Sweden after 10 PM?

    • Replies: @Truth
  236. Adûnâi: “Dates… The question is why it declined? Reducing the low-IQ elements would have been a boon to an efficiency-worshipping society (EWS).”

    It seems you’ve already forgotten what I said in #91, above. The focus of technique is narrow, and there’s no such thing as an efficiency worshiping society. You keep trying to design an ideal society, and that’s impossible, any more than you can take Darwin’s idea of survival of the fittest and try to come up with an ideal “fittest animal”.

    When I say “efficiency is the god of technology”, it just means that where two techniques exist for, say, raising IQ, and one of them is more effective, then that is the one you will probably use, because to do otherwise will just achieve less than optimum results. It does NOT mean that every objective will necessarily have more than one method to achieve it, or even that people will necessarily use an existing technique at all.

    You can optimize a population for IQ, certainly. But that will come at a cost. Aldous Huxley has a few words to say about this in his classic Brave New World. He says that raising IQ in the general population was tried in his fictional utopia, but only caused problems. It bred discontent, war and revolution. It turns out, for example, that an IQ of 180 isn’t necessary for a lot of jobs. If your garbage men (and society needs people who pick up the garbage) have genius-level IQs, they’re not going to be happy, and the results won’t be good. This provides another way for you to understand that there’s no such thing as an EWS as you’re conceiving it. Nor can there be.

    Adûnâi: “Is this your sentiment, or are you talking from the position of the victors?”

    The ironic quotes are meant to indicate that people aren’t entirely rational.

    Adûnâi: “… the invention of the weapons might have been hugely delayed without a war.”

    Then again, maybe not. And Germany, having lost so much of its physics talent, would probably not have developed them first. If it didn’t, then it would have lost any war with countries that had them.

    Adûnâi: “My advice to war-time – announce total war in June 1941 at the latest, not in February 1943. An easy victory. Also, more female employment, and more male conscription.”

    It’s my understanding that Germany lacked the capability to invade Britain, so I’m not sure victory would have been so easy.

    I agree that females weren’t efficiently used, and that was one of the reasons Germany lost the war. But Hitler wanted to preserve German culture, and putting women in military roles would have conflicted with that. So would too much hardship and conscription. This is the sort of choice that government makes. The role of government is to arbitrate between techniques.

    Adûnâi: “Nobody was racist in 1941. Nobody was predicting the death of the entire White race for some reason.”

    Depends on how you define white. Madison Grant’s The Passing of the Great Race was rather influential.

    Adûnâi: “You know, small steps, to ease the Germans into hating Jesus.”

    It’s important to notice that Hitler himself never speaks against Jesus, either in the Table Talks or anywhere else. His complaint seems to have been with the Church, the Apostles, and their implementation of Jesus’ doctrine. I get the distinct impression Hitler sympathized with Jesus as a fellow anti-semite, and even identified with him. Why else would he have convinced himself that Christ was an Aryan? Also, Hitler expresses hostility to atheism, so it appears he was willing to tolerate Christianity as a matter of practical necessity.

    Adûnâi: “I am literally describing unique human intelligence and unique human culture as new spheres with new hazards. Just as bipedalism has given Man scoliosis, so too has His mind given him Negro-worship.”

    Problem is, it’s hard to see how worshiping negroes could ever have been selected for. His answer is a little screwy, but at least MacDonald’s theory of “pathological altruism” tries to meet this requirement.

    Adûnâi: “I’m not exactly a machine-merger, but those questions I would leave to my race in the future”

    Unfortunately, technological “Progress” is destroying the white race right now. Leaving the problems it poses to people in “the future” is just a cop out.

    Adûnâi: “Technology is power. AnPrim is castration.”

    Either saving your race is your highest priority or it isn’t. Putting technological “Progress” over race leads inevitably to racial death.

  237. Alden says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    From his or her postings, I believe Kali’s occupation is dealing with molested sexually abused children and teens. So like everyone who deals with the after effects of sex abuse, he or she has a whole different view of Epstein. A few UNZ commenters, like you, are just perverts wanking away as you defend Epstein. Your guru Reich was discredited long ago.

    As far as that catholic priest telling you and your fiancée how to have sex, it’s just another of your weird lies.

    • Thanks: Kali
    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  238. Alden says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Your therapy with Dr Herskowitz appears to have done you no good at all. You should ask for a refund and find a new therapist.

  239. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Alden

    Like Kali, you do not READ.

    Wilhelm Reich was NOT “discredited.” READ my comment of August 10, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT (comment # 237).

    Reich suffered a preliminary injunction produced by a sick, left “witch hunt” (involving even the burning of the books Reich had at his Maine residence). He was jailed for contempt of court (for the NON-SUBSTANTIVE reason I described), NOT because of any judicial finding concerning the legitimacy of his science.

    In the U.S., the land of pill-pushing pseudo-psychiatry and the pseudo-psychiatry of the mechanical-minded, largely political, unscientific Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders [“DSM”], Reich’s works suffer a myth discreditation. But in Europe and elsewhere, Reich’s Mass Psychology of Fascism and his Character Analysis remain classics; others of Reich’s works are greatly respected; and Reichian psychotherapy (“Orgonomy”) is practiced widely. In Europe and elsewhere outside the U.S., the DSM is ridiculed.

    Kali’s psychopathy is not excused by her childhood, whatever her childhood’s quality. And YOU know nothing of Kali’s childhood.

    In previous encounters I had with you, I learned that you are a sick idiot who invents facts to fit your biases. See my below-listed comments posted under Larry Romoff’s article “The Pleasures of Depopulating the Earth,” https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/ . In those comments, I “discredited” YOU:

    [MORE]

    * my comment # 165, https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/#comment-4074246 — as amended by my comment # 191, https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/#comment-4075117

    * my comment # 227, https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/#comment-4076064 — as amended by my comment # 229, https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/#comment-4076079 and as reference-clarified by my comment # 230, https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/#comment-4076145

    Taisez-vous, Monsieur Crétin ou Madame Crétine. Ne polluez plus mon temps et ma vision avec vos ordures toxiques. Je vous conseille vivement d’obtenir une transplantation de cerveau, puis une rééducation approfondie.

    • Replies: @Kali
  240. @Loup-Bouc

    You mean you like Linh Dinh the rhino horn smuggler? Never read any of his stuff after that little confession. Romanov? His work did not draw my attention long enough to remember any of it. You seem to have your type.
    But one has to read Shamir, he is a very good barometer for what tack the mainstream propaganda is likely to take next. Maybe the Unz Review is the asshole of the internet where he sticks in his thermometer to guage the waters of better-informed Goy opinion? For future reference, see the Epstein conversation turning on the Goyim who so willingly sell their children into sexual slavery.
    If Unz publishes him, he serves some educational purpose. One wonders why he does not mention the “14y/o twins bought from a poor rural French family”, so far the closest we have come to mention the actual childrape in high Society. And the picture of an eight-year old “bending over suggestively”. How you suppose that looks?
    And Misters Shamir, using a photo of a serial cannibal with a Good Lady does not proof the innocense of other Good People posing with reprobates. As a matter of fact, Cathy O’Brien cleared that up for us nicely in

    TranceFormation of America.

    These people are all satanists and secret handshakers, the Jews merely being overrepresented in Places of Influence, as usual.
    Which means they all ritually abuse living creatures of all sorts, but White babies preferred.

  241. Truth says:
    @Alden

    Making it illegal to use toilets after 10PM is very discriminatory to women. Men can always pee out a window, but women can’t

    Well Aldey, I guess you’re going to have to start practicing yoga for a few months, if you want to take a trip to Sweden.

  242. gsjackson says:
    @Kali

    Your world will be realized if the Q narrative is correct. Here’s hoping.

    • Replies: @Kali
  243. Loup-Bouc says:
    @paranoid goy

    (1) I did not state, or even intimate, that I appreciate, or “like,” the SUBSTANTIVE content of the articles of Larry Romanoff or Linh Dinh. My reference was solely the WRITING of Romanoff, Linh Dinh, and Israel Shamir. Just so, I said:

    I mean just writing, quite and only WRITING — not any political, legal, social, historic, medical, or other substantive position of the writer. I mean diction, grammar, syntax, style, average paragraph-length, average sentence length, choice of punctuation, rhythm, meter, poetic device, TOOLS of logic.

    My comment ofAugust 8, 2020 at 3:10 am GMT (comment # 196), to which your comment replied.

    [MORE]

    In my comment of August 8, 2020 at 3:38 am GMT (comment # 197), however, I stated:

    I few moments ago, I read Larry Romanoff’s most recent piece, “The Anger Campaign Against China.” That piece’s quality matches the stench of a Dracula perishing in sunlight.

    So, I retract my suggestion that Romanoff is one of the three best Unz Review writers.

    I have slammed the SUBSTANTIVE content of Larry Romanoff’s articles. See my comment of August 2, 2020 at 11:42 pm GMT (comment # 144) posted under Romanoff’s article “The Pleasures of Depopulating the Earth,” https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/
    My same comment’s direct link is https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/the-pleasures-of-depopulating-the-earth/#comment-4073936

    I have not commented on any of Linh Dinh’s articles — only because I have not been able to allocate time to doing so. His articles do deserve criticism for their anti-Semitism.

    Anti-Semitism?

    I mean attacking, discriminating against, contemning, slandering, or libeling “Jews” merely because they are “Jews.”

    I do NOT mean condemnation of Zionists, Israel, or the horrendously evil religion of Yahweh and its knowing, serious followers — which deserve the severest condemnation. In very many cases, Zionists’ or Israel’s or Yahweh-followers’ harmful ACTIONS deserve not only verbal condemnation, but also criminal prosecution and imprisonment or capital punishment — NOT because “Jews” are involved, but because of the qualities and effects of the actions.

    Because I appreciate and feel empathy for non-human beasts much more than I care for humans, I was concerned by your allegation that Linh Dinh is, or was, a “rhino horn smuggler.” I reviewed eleven pages of Google results pertaining to several sets of search terms including “Linh Dinh” and “rhino horn” or “rhino.” Then I used another search-engine (swisscows) and reviewed another eight pages of results. No result suggested that Linh Dinh has been connected, even remotely, with rhino horn smuggling, or rhinos, or their horns.

    I did find a rhino/Linh Dao connections. But Linh Dao is not Linh Dinh. Also, I found that Linh Dinh’s poetry has been published in a literary journal called “RHINO.” Perhaps, in your strange world, Linh Dinh is a rhino horn smuggler because his poetry is published by a literary journal named “RHINO.”

    (2) You wrote:

    …good barometer for what tack the mainstream propaganda is likely to take…. …the Unz Review is the asshole of the internet where he sticks in his thermometer to guage [sic] the waters….

    Before The New Yorker descended into the slime of left wing faux news and fallacious propaganda, that periodical’s contents included little quasi-footnotes [called “block that metaphor”], which quoted sundry ridiculously stupid mixed metaphors (or similes) the journal’s editors found during the hiatus separating the journal’s current and last-previous issues. The editors might have included YOUR language quoted immediately above.

    (3) Your comment’s other language is much incoherent and lacks necessary citations and explanations.

    • Replies: @paranoid goy
  244. @Jefferson Temple

    Using Mick Jagger as a yardstick for acceptable behavior? Is that really what you meant?

    No. My point is that there were women of all ages who willingly offered themselves when Jagger was Andrew’s age, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some teens out there that would do the same today even though he has one foot in the grave. In Andrew’s case, Roberts was not a minor in the UK, where she claims she was “forced” to have sex with him, while being paid $5k by Epstein. Even if he did boink her, there is no accusation made by her that he knew how old she was or that she told Andrew she was not interested. Again, whether Andrew is a fool and or morally bankrupt is a different matter.
    As I have posted previously, Traci Lords openly admitted she was underage when she started in porn, and bragged she lied about it. I have little doubt there are others. There has never been a hint that law enforcement is remotely interested in questioning the producers, directors, or actors involved, much less investigating or prosecuting them. They have all walked, and none of them are called pedophiles. At the end of the day, what Epstein is or was accused of doing (not yet proven) is little different. The hypocrisy is astounding.

    If they target my daughter, they’re going to need an ambulance.

    That is exactly what I told my underage daughters when boys started to show them attention.

  245. @Loup-Bouc

    Thanks for corerecting my speling of gauge, you sure showed me! Linh Dinh? I only ever read one of his pieces, where he reminisces upon his stay in Angola, and his appreciation of the plentiful supply of rhino horn. Around here, we know exactly what that means, and he is free to deny the charge himself. He does write engagingly enough though, doesn’t he?
    Also, well done on quoting my reference to the rectum of the internet so far out of context, it looks like I am insulting my favourite webmaster, Unz, even though he lets me ramble on in his time.

    Your comment’s other language is much incoherent and lacks necessary citations and explanations.

    Dat good grammer, dat. As for citations and explanations, this is Ron Unz’s site, he spends money and time on this. When my drivel needs long explanations, I include a link to what I think is a relevant piece on my own site. Not to advertise myself, but to not clutter other people’s sites. You should consider that, instead of “MORE”-ing us.
    But mostly, I was actually just ragging you for your love of the rhino-smuggler. I will not even comment on your equating the horrific evil behind Israel with the “Third Reich”. But I do include, for you, a link to my take of the Jewish worship of Adolph Hitler. Please go buy a sense of humour before you read it? Do not expect links and citations, life is just too short to maintain links to other peoples’ sites that they do not maintain properly. But everything I say has been amply amplified and anally analysed by people who make a living out of citing other people’s words in an authoritive way, just go visit a library. Not one where they use words like “substantive” in a comment, though. But thanks for the Puritan castigation, it’ll learn me!

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  246. Kali says:
    @dfordoom

    What I understood him to be saying is that we need to be careful not to take accusations of sexual misconduct at face value because often (not always but often) these attacks are malicious or politically motivated.

    Whilst I certainly do agree that not all accusations of sexual misconduct are genuine, and may be made for ulterior motives, I got the very distinct impression form the article that Shamir was attempting to paint all (or most) such accusations as dishonest and/or to imply that the victims of sexual misconduct only have themselves to blame.

    And whilst it may be reasonably argued that Western culture encourages overtly sexual behaviour in females, and that that behaviour may certainly lead to unwanted (and even unexpected) sexual responces from males, the fact that this overtly sexual behaviour is encouraged in even very young girls demonstrates a predatory culture (inculcated by the – Jewish – “entertainment industrial complex”) which, despite “Liberal Femanist” clap-trap claims to emancipate and “equalise”, encourages females to value themselves predominantly in terms of their sexual attractiveness, even as they compete with males in the economic arena.

    He also seems to me to be saying that in such cases the presumption of innocence has gone out the window.

    What you yourself assert in your comment, Dfordoom, is perfectly reasonable, but given the examples which Shamir uses to make HIS case (Leo Frank, Epstein, Weinstein, etc) he is not concerned with the presumption of innocence so much as the defence of the guilty.

    A person’s life can be destroyed by a mere accusation, without any case being proven.

    This is an undeniable fact, and it does need to be addressed.
    But if this were the case the author was making, then he’d have been wiser to select examples where the accused was inocent. Julian Assange for one, who is certainly a victim of accusations of sexual misconduct being used against him for political motives. (Of course there will be many others of lesser importance to the US establishment, but Assange comes to mind in leu of other, less visible victims of false accusations.)

    The current political atmosphere is uncomfortably close to a witch-hunting atmosphere.

    This may be so, and arguably the “metoo” campaign was initiated for exactly that reason.
    But it is a fact that the vast majority of those (male and female) individuals who participated in that hashtag blitz to tell their own stories were doing so for genuine reasons, and we’re telling their stories honestly.

    The vast majority of people around the world are politically illiterate, and will jump onto any passing bandwagon without much thought. This is a situation that “Liberal” media and politics relies on and manipulates to its advantage.

    I very much appreciate your perspective, Dfordoom, and I do broadly agree with the points that you are making. But I’m not so sure that those are the same points that Israel Shamir is making.

    If it does transpire that I am wrong, and have been unfair to lash out at the author, I will certainly apologise and retract. But right now I see nothing to persued me that I am wrong.

    Respectfully,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  247. Kali says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    I have not read the whole of your comment, Loup-Bouc, but enough to see that I have plummeted in your estimation to the point that you now “diagnose” me as a psychopath.

    I note that in much the same vein, you have reassessed your opinion of Larry Romanov, from “one of the best” to one of the worst.

    Oh, how quickly ones passions may turn when one is driven only by ego, and ego judgements.

    Read my reply to Dfordoom (above this one) and I feel you will once again be forced to reassess and reverse your opinion of me.

    Slow down, my friend. Remember to breathe.

    With love,
    Kali.

  248. Kali says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Kali’s psychopathy is not excused by her childhood, whatever her childhood’s quality. And YOU know nothing of Kali’s childhood.

    Neither you, nore any other reader here, know anything more about my childhood, or my adulthood, than I have published.
    Nore do you know anything about my psychological makeup, in spite of your claims that I am a psychopath – claimes based, it should be noted, on my obviously emotionally driven responce to Shamirs’ article.

    But, unlike yourself, Alden demonstrates empathy, or at least sympathy, for those of us whole life experiences give us deeper insight into the effects of trauma.

    Your obvious lack of these qualities marks you out as cold, calculating and, very possibly, emotionless.

    Your insistance, based on your interpretation of one comment by me (which contradicts your own responce to Shamirs’ article) that I am a “psychopath” reveals weakness in your character – that you cannot love those with whom you do not 100% agree.

    So I ask, which is the psychopath? Is it the one who coldly projects psychopathy onto others with whom he finds fault, or with whom he disagrees?

    Don’t fret, Loup-Bouc, I don’t actually think you are psychopathic (how could I possibly make such an evaluation of someone I do not know?!) But I do imagine that you are more than a little autistic. That is why I find it easy to forgive your ugly characterisation of me in this instance.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Loup-Bouc
  249. Kali says:
    @gsjackson

    I do hope so GK. But Q/qanon? I’m not really buying it.
    Time will tell, and I hope I’m wrong. – Maybe, like so many other psyops, it is filled with good, well intentioned people… and maybe there are enough good, well intentioned people populating such movements to actually swing things in a direction which puts pay to the satanic deathcults’ vile agenda.

    Much love,
    Kali.

  250. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    I appreciate the calm reasoned reply, which is not something you usually get here at Unz Review!

    Whilst I certainly do agree that not all accusations of sexual misconduct are genuine, and may be made for ulterior motives, I got the very distinct impression form the article that Shamir was attempting to paint all (or most) such accusations as dishonest and/or to imply that the victims of sexual misconduct only have themselves to blame.

    I think his point was that when there’s a witch-hunt atmosphere one unfortunate result is that all such accusations have to be regarded with some scepticism until actual convincing evidence is presented. Some of the accusations will turn out to be true, and some will turn out to be false. And in many cases, unfortunately, it will never be possible to know the truth.

    The fact is that any accusation of any crime against anybody should be regarded with scepticism until or unless it’s accompanied by convincing evidence.

    In the case of the #metoo thing I don’t think it will ever be possible to know what proportion of the accusations were false.

    But of course Shamir may well be wrong about some of the cases he’s cited. He may have succumbed to the temptation to be deliberately provocative.

    And whilst it may be reasonably argued that Western culture encourages overtly sexual behaviour in females, and that that behaviour may certainly lead to unwanted (and even unexpected) sexual responces from males, the fact that this overtly sexual behaviour is encouraged in even very young girls demonstrates a predatory culture

    Yes and no. I think there have always been men who have (willingly and consciously) used power to get sex, and unfortunately there have always been women who have (willingly and consciously) used sex to get power or money or status. Sometimes it’s a case of Men Behaving Badly and sometimes it’s a case of Women Behaving Badly. I don’t think that has ever changed. As much as I dislike our current cultural climate I think such things are just part of human nature. Some men will use power to get sex because they can, and some women will use sex to get power/money/status because they can.

    In Hollywood, even going back to the 1920s, there were male producers who demanded sex from aspiring actresses if they wanted to advance their careers, and there were actresses who were perfectly willing to voluntarily offer sex to advance their careers. I suspect if you want back even further in time you’d find similar things going on, in the theatre for example.

    I’m not convinced in this case that there’s been a significant recent cultural change.

    Unscrupulous men, and unscrupulous women, have always been with us. It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that things are worse today than ever before. The theatre in late 17th century England was probably an even worse hotbed of sexual misconduct (by both sexes) than modern Hollywood.

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  251. Truth says:
    @Kali

    But, unlike yourself, Alden demonstrates empathy

    Alden says:
    August 7, 2020 at 4:09 pm GMT ⇑
    @Gary in Gramercy
    Line connotes rope, cord and string lines all of which refers to nooses both actual nooses used to lynch blacks, and useful knots. Example dog leashes and other things that have a loop at one end to hold.

    Alden says:
    August 7, 2020 at 2:15 am GMT • 100 Words ⇑
    @Anonymous
    Most ridiculous post I’ve seen in months. It’s the black preachers who are the biggest problem. They’re not really clergymen. They’re black racist activists using their churches as a base from which to operate their political activities.

    Mandela was a communist terrorist. MLK was trained at a communist activist school and was a complete charlatan, grifter con artist and wife and sex partner beater.

    A montage of videos showing black behavior in the public schools would be great great great

    Alden says:
    August 7, 2020 at 12:46 am GMT • 100 Words ⇑
    @John Johnson
    White women who are teachers in black schools tell me black kids are

    monsters starting in kindergarten. They don’t like black kids any more than you and I.

    Blacks fathers who have good jobs and live with wives and kids aren’t good parents as a whole judging by the criminal records drug habits etc the children of so many affirmative action blacks have.

    But black fathers are strong, violent rageaholics

    Alden says:
    August 6, 2020 at 8:43 pm GMT ⇑
    @gotmituns
    Unfortunately Floyd left several youts behind so his criminal descendants will continue his destruction.

    Alden says:
    August 6, 2020 at 8:16 am GMT ⇑
    @Calvin Hobbes
    After jacuzzi would be the twin boys, jackass and jackoff.

    Empathy? Aldey is a regular Tammy Fae Baker!

  252. @dfordoom

    I have an awful suspicion that you’ll find that since then other religious organisations, schools and sports clubs catering to young people have been attracting more and more homosexuals.

    Boy Scouts.

  253. Loup-Bouc says:
    @paranoid goy

    I only ever read one of his pieces, where he reminisces upon his stay in Angola, and his appreciation of the plentiful supply of rhino horn. Around here, we know exactly what that means….

    (1) What is the meaning of “around here”? Is “here” a special sanctum of “Unz Review land” or some other lofty terrain, or underworld, from which I am excluded?

    (2) If “we know exactly what that means,” please tell me the meaning and tell me how “we know”? Unlike “we,” I lack extra sensory perception.

    (3) What is “the rectum of the internet”?

    (4) Since YOU assert the existence of a Linh Dinh piece in which Linh Dinh “reminisces upon his stay in Angola, and his appreciation of the plentiful supply of rhino horn” [a piece that my 19 searches (with both Google and swisscows) did not discover], YOU are obliged to cite the piece with an internet link, because your statement is libelous unless true. [I used Swisscows, not just Google, because Swisscows does NOT either de-platform sites or prioritize sites per political preference.]

    If, truly, Linh Dinh uttered the “rhino horn” statement you allege (uttered it in actuality, rather than in your hallucinatory experience), might Linh Dinh’s statement have been humor or wit (both of which you lack) — NOT an indication that Linh Dinh “smuggles” rhino horns (an indication absent even if Linh Dinh uses rhino horns for the idiotic “reason” put by faux Chinese Medicine).

    (5) You have not earned a prerogative of casting your comments’ childishly chastising bits — just as you lack an imperial or pontifical status that might “entitle” you to render the mystery and libel of the above-quoted portion of your comment.

    A note respecting one of the chastising bits of your comment, the comment-length bit:

    Ron Unz allows long comments — and posts them himself. To address honorably and intelligently the articles and comments put by the psychopaths (especially the stupid ones) who blather at Unz Review, one must present abundant, precise, well-supported detail — just as if one were a good forensic psychiatrist producing a report destined to be filed in a federal criminal case.

    With some of his own articles, Mr. Unz treats readers to near-unbearable prolixity — with his (Mr. Unz’s) near-endless, huge expositions of his (Mr. Unz’s) uniquely magnificent achievements and intellect and his (Mr. Unz’s) meandering introspections.

    Are you Mr. Unz’s guru? If so, counsel HIM to impose a length-limit — on his writing, too.

    (6) Your comment is much incoherent and, otherwise, sophomoric at best; and its “humor”-attempts are duds. Encore pire: Vos commentaires manquent d’esprit. Si vous comprenez la langue française, la plus belle langue, regardez ce film français.

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  254. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Kali

    You did not (because you cannot) apprehend the premise of my condemnation of you. The premise is your treatment of sexuality, a treatment that issues from “emotional plague.” [See the sources I cited in my comment of August 10, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT (comment # 237).]

    Emotional plague is psychopathy manifested by creatures like Stalin, Hitler, Israel’s leaders and other power-wielding Zionists, the Dick Cheney and the two Bush presidents, the Clintons, Lyndon B. Johnson, Nixon, FDR and Truman, Obama……..and Islam, Christianity (rather than Jesus the Essene), the religion of Yahweh, even Hinduism and Buddhism, and all other religions.

    Near-all civilized parents’ child-rearing manifests emotional plague — with horrendous effects, equal to the evils of religion and our psychopath leaders. That parenting produced those evils.

    Yoga is emotional plague, because it CONTROLS breathing — and sexuality. Buddhism’s and Hinduism’s reincarnation and nirvana and Judeo-Christianity’s and Islam’s heaven and hell reflect emotional plague — with recognition that life is doomed to joylessness and psychic slavery because of repression of free, healthy sexuality.

    Hitler was the monster he was much because his character-structure’s dominant ingredient was anal-retentive character-neurosis — a grim, retractive, clenching, vise-like fear of free healthy sexuality, perceived as filth. Witness Hitler’s tidy uniforms, his imposition of social uniformity, his declaring free art decadence, the pounding, grinding, screaming style of his speech-giving, the goose-stepping of his troops……. Hitler’s remnant, deeply-suppressed child-self showed itself, just faintly, with his vegetarianism and his love of his dog (his gut-strangled honor of the innocence of beasts).

    What sexuality-squelching tyrants must have been Hitler’s mom and pop.

    Do not use “With love” to close a comment you address to me. I contemn fraud, especially the slimy kind.

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  255. Rnaught says:

    Better come up with a better piece of journalistic sophistry to persuade us that the Epstein thing is just a figment of our imagination.

  256. @Loup-Bouc

    Wow, you sure like your search engine. How about using the terms “Linh Dinh, Rhino and Angola, file it in your head, then search the only place I could be talking about: Dinh’s essays on The Unz Review.
    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/promised-land-angola/

    Angola has oil, minerals, rhino horns and ivory, and you can make a few bucks by trafficking women.

    Seems I was slightly off, he prefers trafficking women?
    Does not matter, I find his “wit” disagreeable. As for “around here”, it is Africa, where the Chinese are arming people with high-powered hunting rifles so they can hunt rhino and elephant. You should come visit, look at a rhino lying in a pool of blood and excrement, breathing through the gash in its face where the horn was chopped out with an axe, and left to die. The elephants get it even worse, so Linh Dinh and his pals can feel better about their totties.
    As for the rest, you are very literate, reread and get off that high horse.
    P.S. I checked your 911 blog. Had a great time. You might not be stupid, just stuck up?
    …and I don’t speak French, I do not think it such a beautiful language and please god, can they learn to take a bath once in a while?
    Tsamayi hantle, mHlungu! Mag jou Here jou seen. Siyabonga baba and so on.

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    , @Loup-Bouc
  257. Loup-Bouc says:

    (1)

    …the Chinese are arming people with high-powered hunting rifles so they can hunt rhino and elephant.

    I doubt the veracity of that statement (a) partly because I am not only a Francophile, but also a Sinophile intimately familiar with China’s and the Chinese government’s current activities and Chinese history (even history ancient as a couple millennia before the first empire) and (b) partly because you asserted, carelessly, a libel (falsehood) against Linh Dinh.

    But I shall assume, for sake of argument, that the “Chinese” (government? some Chinese people resident in or citizens of China?) are doing what you assert. Such Chinese action is irrelevant to anything of Linh Dinh — anything you have shown or anything I know per other sources. Linh Dinh is Vietnamese and not (per anything you have shown, truthfully, or anything I know) involved in China’s government, politics, businesses, or “Chinese” actions.

    (2)

    Seems I was slightly off, he prefers trafficking women?

    Linh Dinh’s quip

    Angola has oil, minerals, rhino horns and ivory, and you can make a few bucks by trafficking women

    was just that, a quip, perhaps (I cannot know) an instance of grim sarcasm. More important: the Linh Dinh article quote (“you can make a few bucks by trafficking women”) occurred in the context of Linh Dinh’s recalling a conversation he had with another Vietnamese, a person named “Phu, who spent eight years in Angola.” So, Linh Dinh may have been (likely was) paraphrasing a statement Phu uttered (to Linh Dinh).

    (3)

    Since, in your initial statement of your Linh Dinh libel, you did not include the term “Angola,” I had no cause of including that term in my online search. Credit your consistent sloppiness of “expression.”

    (4)

    You should come visit, look at a rhino lying in a pool of blood and excrement, breathing through the gash in its face where the horn was chopped out with an axe, and left to die. The elephants get it even worse, so Linh Dinh and his pals can feel better about their totties

    (a) My above-stated observations indicate that likely you are libeling Linh Dinh further with your assertion “so Linh Dinh and his pals can feel better about their totties.”

    (b) I do not need, or appreciate, your preaching.

    For 68 years I have not killed, hurt intentionally, enslaved, eaten any part of (even as broth-making substance), used any part of (as leather or anything else) any sentient creature, non-human or human — even sentient insects, except wasps and “yellow jackets” who had caused me serious injury and would have continued doing so.

    I spend much time, effort, and money to protect non-humans from humans, including (but no only) humans who use non-humans for medical or other experiments.

    I do not use, or prescribe, allopathic or osteopathic pharmaceuticals, except doxycycline in severe emergency cases. I do not prescribe or use any medication produced by killing, enslaving, or otherwise harming non-humans.

    I have been arrested for using Aikido (a throw) to stop a human from threatening my dog. I would give my life to save my dog.

    In 1962 through 1964, I had, and loved dearly, a pet Toggenburg male goat, whom (when he was an infant) I rescued from a Philadelphia “Little Italy” abattoir-and-butcher-shop shortly before Easter Sunday of 1962. I named him Hennessy, because I used my weekly Hennessy cognac money (and an additional amount) to purchase him from certain death. He was bleating, horrified, in a cage shared by his mother, who was slaughtered, because I had not enough money to purchase her, too.

    When I saved Hennessy, I imagined the butcher hung by a hook stuck in the back of his neck, like the many goats he killed and hung behind the glass of the butcher-shop’s high, wide picture window that displayed the shop’s wares.

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  258. Loup-Bouc says:
    @paranoid goy

    You wrote, regarding me:

    P.S. I checked your 911 blog. Had a great time.

    I do not have a “911 blog” or any other blog. I do not know a “911 blog” meaning that could relate to any writing I put online. If you read anything in a “911 blog” and you think or assert it is my writing, you are hallucinating or prevaricating.

    You wrote:

    I don’t speak French, I do not think it such a beautiful language….

    If you do not “speak French,” how did you know that I called French “the most beautiful language”?

    [MORE]

    Any somewhat literate adult may be able to deduce that “langue” means “language,” perhaps even that “belle” can mean “beautiful” — OR “pretty” (though “jolie” is precise) or even, by a bit of stretch, “lovely.” But if a person does not understand French, the person cannot deduce, without aid, that “[la] plus belle” does NOT mean “more beautiful,” but “the most beautiful.”

    If you used “Google translate,” or another online French-English translator, to try to learn the meaning of my entire French statement, you may have misunderstood (likely did misunderstand) my French statement. Often such translators mistranslate French, sometimes ludicrously.

    You wrote:

    …you are very literate, reread and get off that high horse.

    “Very literate”?

    If you mean that I am well-read and a highly educated, critical reader, you speak truth.

    If you mean that you think I do you injustice or am unfairly demanding because I take your exact words as quite what they are, you are a fool, if not an idiot.

    Words do not communicate ideas (as if thoughts played cargo of a ship of syntax). Words ARE the ideas they state. Language does not convey meaning. Language constitutes meaning. Every thought equals one discrete syntax.

    John speaks a sentence. Mary observes John meant “X.” John replies he did not intend “X,” but failed to communicate his true thought, “Z.” John mistakes reality. He bore three thoughts: (1) the thought John’s stated words were, and Mary received, as X (for, despite John’s protest, he could not state a thought he did not bear); (2) the thought Z, which John’s stated words did not form; (3) the thought, Y, that John mis-communicated Z, so that Mary received Z as X.

    We mean exactly what we say and say precisely what we mean—not more, not other, not less. We bear utter responsibility for the full actuality, and every meaning, of every word we state (except typing errors).

    March Hare: “Then you should say what you mean.”
    Alice: “I do…”… “at least—at least I mean what I say—that’s the same thing, you know.”
    Hatter: “Not the same thing a bit ! … You might just as well say that ‘I see what I eat’ is the same…as ‘I eat what I see’ ! ”
    March Hare: “You might just as well say…that ‘I like what I get’ is the same…as ‘I get what I like’!”

    Lewis Carroll, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

    Alice: “I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory’.” [Sic]
    Humpty Dumpty: “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you’ !” [Sic]
    Alice: “But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’.”
    Humpty Dumpty: “When I use a word…it means just what I choose it to mean….”

    Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

    Many fools say “all Xs are not Ys” (e.g, “all dogs not poodles”) though (if they are not risibly stupid, like too many people) they MEAN “not all Xs are Ys” (e.g., “not all dogs are poodles”). The trouble is logic-ignorance, or not attending, scrupulously, the logic, or illogic, of one’s language-syntax.

    “High horse”? Stupid cliché. Does not impeach the quality of my thought, the style of my writing, or my criticism of your toxic dreck.

    Taisez-vous, Monsieur Crétin. Ne polluez plus mon temps et ma vision avec vos ordures toxiques. Je vous conseille vivement d’obtenir une transplantation de cerveau, puis une rééducation approfondie.

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  259. Loup-Bouc says:
    @paranoid goy

    I owe emendation of my comment of August 11, 2020 at 11:04 pm GMT (comment # 264), which bore a typing error I did not see until the ≈4-minute edit-period ended.

    On the first line of that comment’s antepenultimate paragraph, the language

    (e.g, “all dogs not poodles”)

    ought to be

    (e.g, “all dogs are not poodles”)

    My regret.

  260. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @paranoid goy

    “Linh Dinh the rhino horn smuggler?”

    This “paranoid goy” is a bald-faced liar, everybody. Disgusting.

  261. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @paranoid goy

    Hi Ron,

    To baselessly accuse someone of a crime is no joke. This “paranoid goy” should not be allowed to do this at Unz.

    Libel is a crime.

    Linh

  262. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Loup-Bouc

    Linh Dinh’s quip

    Angola has oil, minerals, rhino horns and ivory, and you can make a few bucks by trafficking women

    was just that, a quip,

    Yes, it’s pretty obvious he was being facetious.

    But this is Unz Review. If you want to attempt facetiousness, irony or wit around here you have to first tell people you’re going to do so. Which of course spoils the effect.

  263. @Alden

    haha, when the truth is it is quite clearly YOU, transfixed by the sign underage, who is incapable of considering our smaller beings as agents unto themselves with will, desire and ambition. To you and countless other similarly transfixed persons, they are simply defined by a negation. They are not of age. They exist only as blanks upon which you then project your authoritarian fantasy.

  264. @Loup-Bouc

    Reich was just running a sex cult in which he was abusing his patients, assistants, other people’s wives, but was extremely jealous of any of the females in this cult having sex with anyone else. It’s just that his shtick was psychoanalysis instead of religion, as say with Koresh or Rajneesh. It’s not that some of his ideas weren’t interesting or worthy of investigation, but then Rajneesh was a far bigger philosopher that Reich was a psychologist.

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  265. @Loup-Bouc

    Enough now.
    1) I apologise for ascribing the intellect of ONEBORNFREE to you, I don’t know how looking for your website got me to his blogs. Seems you only ever use other people’s platforms for your invective. No, that’s the wrong word, let me get a dictionary…here it is: “self-absorbed pseudointellectual attempts at bullying”.
    2) Your assessment of me translating a simple passage (provided with context) speak volumes about your “intellectual” arrogance.
    3) In my language, we have a saying: “Meng you met die semels, en die varke vreet jou op”. I would direct that at Linh Dinh, because he certainly mixed himself with the pig fodder when he celebrated his totty-powder. And I call Dinh ‘Chinese’ the same way as a Frenchman counts as “white”.
    4) Stop editing yourself and others for every little spelling mistake or slip of grammar. A psychobabble girlfriend once told me it is the mark of an anal retentive.
    5) As for the rest of your drivel, I would tell you to go wash your mouth, but I know how scared the French are of soap and water.

  266. Kali says:
    @dfordoom

    Hi Dfordoom.

    I think his point was that when there’s a witch-hunt atmosphere one unfortunate result is that all such accusations have to be regarded with some scepticism until actual convincing evidence is presented.

    Whilst I agree that this is indeed the case, I’m not convinced that the author was making this point. If it was his intention to highlight this sadly necessary imperative to treat all accusations of sexual misconduct with a degree of scepticism, because some women do lie, I feel sure he’d have chosen better examples and made that very straight-forward possition clear.

    No doubt the “metoo” campaign did result in a number of “false possitives”, particularly where powerful men are accused. Maybe Mr Shamir could have found better examples than sleezy Holywood moguls to make his case.

    The fact is that any accusation of any crime against anybody should be regarded with scepticism until or unless it’s accompanied by convincing evidence.

    Agreed.

    But of course Shamir may well be wrong about some of the cases he’s cited. He may have succumbed to the temptation to be deliberately provocative.

    That’s not the impression I got from the article, but certainly it is possible. – Maybe future articles will clarify.

    Yes and no. I think there have always been men who have (willingly and consciously) used power to get sex, and unfortunately there have always been women who have (willingly and consciously) used sex to get power

    This is undeniable!
    Women are attracted to powerful men (be it physically, politically, socially, financially or interlectually).

    Men are (or arguably, ought to be) the providers for, and the protectors of the family. And, whilst the male provides and maintains a safe environment, so the female(s) utilises what she is provided to create a home and a nurturing environment for her family.
    Of course here I paint a picture of an, to my mind, ideal scenario. Sadly humankind has moved a very long way away from this, I would suggest, most natural state.

    And so we live in a world where “the state” assumes the role of “protector” (via police and prosecution services, etc) to quite a significant extent, and, though through “earning potential” the male may hang on to his role as provider, this role (thanks to the Feminista) is now all but vanished.

    So, males have been, and continue to be, socially immasculated, even as females have been “liberated” from their natural, maternal, nurturing role.

    It is within this context of (unnatural) paternalistic states, in which both genders struggle against their natures, to make a go of it an utterly corrupted, shallow, consumerist society, and it’s notions of “power”, that we find ourselves having this conversation.

    And we as intelligent observers/participants have a great deal to unpack!

    The relationship between sex and power is, I think, perfectly natural, but the “power dynamic” has shifted over time, creating huge imbalance between the genders. Women seek material security and, arguably, social status , and may utilise consequence-free sex to get it. In the meantime, men seeking available expressions for their masculinity.

    In Hollywood, even going back to the 1920s, there were male producers who demanded sex from aspiring actresses if they wanted to advance their careers, and there were actresses who were perfectly willing to voluntarily offer sex to advance their careers.

    No doubt! And where both parties are consenting adults, no matter the societal norms which generate this state of affairs, they should be free choose as they will.

    But in the case where men (and masculinised women) take advantage of immature, unwise, unprotected and socially/politically illiterate girls (and boys) for their personal gratification and/or political gain, no matter the motivations of the youngster, we, by degrees, enter a self-perpetuating world of sleeze, of sexual domination, of sex-trafficking and sexual slavery, which “Israel” Shamir, possibly inadvertantly/unintentialky (?) seems to sanction and condone in this article.

    There is a great deal to be said and understood regarding the sexual politics of our post-modern era. I by no means have all of the answers, and it’s almost certain that there are aspects of the dynamic which I haven’t concidered.

    You, Dfordoom, make reasonable arguments and observations in your attempt to understand and make sense of human sexual dynamics. I’m not sure that Mr Shamir does the same in his article, though he certainly does have the talent/writing ability, to do so.

    A competent author chooses his words and his examples carefully. In this regard, Mr Shamir is a usually very competent author, one who I have generally regarded as modest, thoughtful and fair in his writings.

    But this piece, for whatever reason falls outside of that category.

    Now, it may be that, for personal reasons, I took exeption to what I perceive as an apologetic for predatory sexual behaviour, and made my criticism too extreme. (This is difficult for me to judge due to its unavoidably subjective aspect.)
    Or it may be that my perception of a certain tribal propencity to misconstrue any given situation for its own benefit clouds my reading of this piece.
    Are my own prejudices clouding my judgement?

    Or is “Israel” metaphorically exposing his circumcised penis, with all that that imagery symbolises, in defence of sleeze, and social-sexual corruption of young, unprotected girls (and boys), whilst employing pilpul to conflate consensual sex between full adults (in which power-dynamics are often at play) with the same?

    Truthfully, only Mr Shamir knows the answer to that question. Maybe, one day, he will clarify his meaning one way or the other.

    I’m not convinced in this case that there’s been a significant recent cultural change.

    Not in regard to the arguments you present, Dfordoom, but in regard to the overt sexualisation of children, the change is demonstrable.

    With love and gratitude,
    Kali.

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    , @dfordoom
  267. Kali says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Loup-Bouc, you PROJECT too much!

  268. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Your comment reflects your ignorance — that of fools who swallow myths. It shows you lack both actual knowledge of Reich’s writings and capacity of apprehending the mechanisms of emotional illness.

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  269. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    but in regard to the overt sexualisation of children, the change is demonstrable.

    It’s worth pointing out that until 1875 the age of consent in England was 12. What happened in the 19th century was a concerted attempt to de-sexualise children. Or you could say it was a concerted attempt to reverse the previous situation which had sexualised children.

    Until the Victorian age the concept of childhood was very different. Childhood lasted until puberty after which boys were expected to start working and girls were expected to start looking for husbands. The Victorians to a large extent invented the idea that childhood lasted until people were in their late teens. The Victorians were also very concerned that the previous situation did in fact exploit children. Children were brutally exploited by being forced to work, and often work back-breaking jobs, at very young ages. The idea that girls were being exploited by being pushed into adult sexual roles at puberty was part of the Victorian reaction against what they saw saw as the exploitation of children.

    Now please don’t get me wrong. The Victorian concern for the interests of children and the desire to protect children from exploitation is one of the most attractive things about the Victorian age. They were to a very large extent correct in believing that children were being exploited.

    The point is that the exploitation of children (both sexual exploitation and other forms of exploitation) was for most of human history simply taken for granted. The Victorian age represented a vigorous reaction against that exploitation.

    So what we’ve seen in recent decades has been a kind of counter-reaction against the Victorian idea that children were precious and deserved protection. But modern attitudes towards children are actually very contradictory, with a kind of struggle taking place between the Victorian approach and the earlier approach.

    The problem is that by the 1920s the Victorian age was deeply unfashionable and was seen as an age of hopelessly outdated ideas when in fact the Victorians were quite revolutionary in many of their attitudes. The idea took root that the Victorians were hopelessly sexually repressed and that everything about the Victorian age should therefore be rejected. And that knee-jerk anti-Victorianism is still with us today.

    As a footnote it’s also worth pointing out that if Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet today he’d find himself in a lot of trouble. Juliet is after all thirteen years old. But at the time she would have been considered to be of marriageable age.

    So overall my point is that the change in attitudes towards children and sex has been a case of the pendulum suddenly swinging in one direction in the 19th century, and now swinging wildly back again.

    But I don’t want people jumping to conclusions about my own views. I happen to admire the Victorians in many ways. They were right about a great many things. As far as the exploitation of children is concerned they were right to see it as a problem. I kind of like the protective Victorian attitude towards children. Their view of children was something quite new in human history.

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  270. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    And so we live in a world where “the state” assumes the role of “protector” (via police and prosecution services, etc) to quite a significant extent, and, though through “earning potential” the male may hang on to his role as provider, this role (thanks to the Feminista) is now all but vanished.

    Yes, the state has taken over the functions that used to be the responsibility of parents, and especially fathers. But the state carries out those functions crudely and inflexibly. Unfortunately this trend seems irreversible.

  271. Kali says:
    @dfordoom

    I appreciate the historical facts/context you present regarding changing notions of childhood, attitudes towards children, etc.

    But even in the context of marriage involving 12 year olds, I’m not sure that “sexualisation” is relevant. – Sex may be a part of marriage, but “sexiness” isn’t necessary for that.

    Also, within the context of per-Victorian society, marriage and sex resulted in pregnancies and families. Promiscuous sexual mores are a post-modern reality, as is ubiquitous contraception and abortion.

    Times have changed.

    From the age of 14 years, generally, boys and girls become sexually mature. This is a simple fact of life which “age of concent” legislation largely ignores.

    Sex between consenting teenagers, in my opinion, should be of no concern to any but the parents of those teenagers.

    Sadly we live in a hyper-sexualised environment in which “sexiness” is prized, valued and encouraged – even in the very young – and in which the sexual exploitation of the naive and inocent is practiced at every level of society.

    It is within this context that Weinstein, Maxwell, Epstein, Saville, et al, operate. Until very recently they operated with impunity. (I think the weakening of that impunity may be what upsets Mr Shamir and causes him to label those of us who celebrate it as “neo-puritans”.)

    Pre-Victoriana marriage, and post-modern sexualisation of children don’t compare because the whole socio-economic structure of society has changed. The day I saw my teenaged nieces teaching their much younger (7 year old) sister a dance move called “the slut drop” shocked me.

    With love,
    Kali.

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  272. @Loup-Bouc

    Ignorance? I’ve actually read almost all of Reich’s books, albeit more than 40 years ago. And his biography revealed a lot about what kind of person he was. Although I presume the author was trying to praise him, Reich didn’t come over as a very pleasant man. He should have stuck to frequenting brothels daily, like he did in his youth after he ran out of nannies in his younger years, but I guess he found he could earn money and get free sex on the psychiatrist’s couch. I must say it’s not a bad idea if you’re prepared to abuse your professional standing in such a way. And I guess you approve. Never mind the present day “me too”, one of his victims was even prepared to go to the police in Norway in pre-WWII days but was dissuaded so as not to blemish the “reputation” of a “great” man. He was a strange kid, sort of a pedophile in reverse, forcing his nannies to have sex with him by blackmail, and still complaining so as to get them fired and frequently changed once he got bored with them. A very unusual sex maniac even at a very young age.

    Anyway, I don’t approve of the FDA banning the orgone accumulator, even if it may have just had a placebo effect at the most.

    And when you talk about “children’s sexuality”, or encouraging it, you obviously approve of robbing them of their childhood.

  273. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    But even in the context of marriage involving 12 year olds, I’m not sure that “sexualisation” is relevant. – Sex may be a part of marriage, but “sexiness” isn’t necessary for that.

    Also, within the context of per-Victorian society, marriage and sex resulted in pregnancies and families. Promiscuous sexual mores are a post-modern reality, as is ubiquitous contraception and abortion.

    Yes, that is true. There is a difference between thinking a 13-year-old girl should be looking for a prospective husband and thinking that she should be out there having sex with everything in trousers.

    Contraception is an example of technology resulting in unforeseen social changes. In pre-Victorian times contraception was difficult, unreliable and unpleasant. From about the mid-19th century up to the 1960s it became progressively simpler, more reliable and more convenient. Once consequence-free sex becomes universally available everything is going to change, and everything did change. As a society we haven’t yet figured out how to deal with that.

    From the age of 14 years, generally, boys and girls become sexually mature. This is a simple fact of life which “age of concent” legislation largely ignores.

    Sex between consenting teenagers, in my opinion, should be of no concern to any but the parents of those teenagers.

    I agree.

    I also think that as a society we haven’t come to terms with the fact that kids are becoming sexually mature earlier. It’s a huge problem when sexual maturity happens long before emotional maturity. It’s a very tricky problem and it can’t be solved simply by saying we’ll have a law that prohibits them from having sex.

    I also don’t really like the idea of the state enforcing morality. I think it can be a very bad idea. It weakens the position of parents. It makes morality a political issue and I really don’t like the way every single aspect of life has become politicised. And if morality has to be enforced by the state it’s no longer morality, it’s just a set of bureaucratic rules and regulations.

    The appalling situation we now have with so many children thinking they’re transgender (or being convinced by others that they’re transgender) and destroying their lives as a result is an example of the chaos that results when a society makes morality into a political issue and when the state gets too involved in people’s lives.

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  274. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Reich didn’t come over as a very pleasant man. He should have stuck to frequenting brothels daily

    Provide proof, LIAR: Valid, reliable proof that would be admissible in a U.S. federal court.

    I’ve actually read almost all of Reich’s books

    Prove so, LIAR. Here is a tiny quiz:

    [MORE]

    (1) What is the mechanism that explains the masochistic character; and what were the KEY facts of Reich’s actual case-study that disclosed that mechanism? The answer obtains in one of the four most well-known, most read works that have remained classics of the psychiatric literature, still required reading in European medical school psychiatry courses.

    (2) What is the theme of Reich’s “The Masspsychology of Fascism”? State the theme and provide exactly that work’s observations that exemplify best that theme’s validity?

    (3) What was Reich’s critical emendation of Freud’s view of the stages of psychosexual development (a) of male humans and (b) of female humans; and what was the principal implication of that emendation?

    (4) What emotional/somatic events determine whether an Orgonomist ought to proceed to the final stage of orgonomic treatment of a patient, and what are the ingredients of that final stage of treatment?

    The answers would be apparent to anyone who HAS “read almost all of Reich’s books.”

  275. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This comment supplements my comment of August 13, 2020 at 7:22 pm GMT (comment # 280).

    [MORE]

    Your comments illustrate both the character-assassination ingredient of the emotional plague and the emotional plague’s sexual pathology. Your emotional plague perception both (a) hallucinated into my comments propositions that my comments neither expressed nor implied and (b) hallucinated the absence of vital propositions my comments did express or necessarily imply. I refer to my comment of August 10, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT (comment # 237) and my comment of August 11, 2020 at 7:11 pm GMT (comment # 260). And, your emotional-plague perception invents, or uses, false myths to assassinate characters — in the instant setting, Reich’s and mine.

    …he [Reich] found he could earn money and get free sex on the psychiatrist’s couch. …. And I guess you [Loup-Bouc] approve.

    PROVE that Reich got “free sex on the psychiatrist’s couch.” Prove so with valid, reliable proof that would be admissible in a U.S. federal court — NOT with #MeToo emotional-plague-rendered false allegations, like the patently false #MeToo allegations leveled against Brett Kavanaugh for the worst political purposes.

    No competent Orgonomist [Reichian psychiatrist] would engage in coitus or any sexual act with a patient. Neither a competent Orgonomist nor I would approve such incompetent and harmful conduct. Reich was eminently competent. Zero valid, reliable evidence supports your emotional-plague-motivated allegation that Reich engaged in sexual acts with patients.

    …one of his [Reich’s] victims was even prepared to go to the police in Norway in pre-WWII days but was dissuaded so as not to blemish the “reputation” of a “great” man.

    Another #MeToo-type emotional plague allegation, like the allegations asserted against Justice Kavanaugh.

    Many, many times before the #MeToo movement began, adults and children put false sex-offense allegations against men (and boys). False sex-offense allegations have led to many false claims, false charges, even false convictions, often convictions proved false strongly enough to produce judicial exonerations of the falsely convicted men, often exonerations based on DNA-analysis or other genetic evidence (e.g., HLA evidence).
    See, e.g., and compare, these sources:
    (1) Samuel R. Gross, Kristen Jacoby, Daniel J. Matheson, and Nicholas Montgomery, Exonerations in the United States 1989 through 2003, 95 Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 523, especially, but not only, at pp.528-529 (2005), https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7186&context=jclc
    (2) Eugene J. Kanin, Ph.D., False Rape Allegations, Archives of Sexual Behavior, V. 23, No. 1 (1994), found a false rape charge rate of 41% (or 50%, see Appendix of same study), http://www.aals.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Bowen-Kanin-False-Rape-Empirical.pdf
    (3) P. Rumney, False allegations of rape, Cambridge Law J., 65 (1) pp. 125-158 (2006) (meta-analysis, UK, U.S., & other nations), http://eprints.uwe.ac.uk/6478/1/Download.pdf . At pp. 136-37, Rumney reports scholarly estimates of the percentage of false rape-accusations: mean 22.083%, standard deviation 20.351
    (5) Is a woman’s word enough?, Oz Conservative, reporting a Washington D.C. study’s determination that 24% of rape charges were unfounded. (That source observes also the findings of Kanin, False Rape Allegations, supra.)
    (6) Lee Coleman & Patrick Clancy, HAS A CHILD BEEN MOLESTED? (1997), http://innocencelegalteam.com/wp-content/uploads/resources/1/Book-Has-A-Child-Been-Molested.pdf
    (7) Lee Coleman, False Accusations of Sexual Abuse: Psychiatry’s Latest Reign of Error, The J. of Mind and Behavior Vol. 11, No. 3/4 — SPECIAL ISSUE: Challenging the Therapeutic State: Critical Perspectives on Psychiatry and the Mental Health System (1990), pp. 545-556, https://www.jstor.org/stable/43854106?read-now=1&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
    (8) Mark D. Everson, Ph.d., and Barbara W. Boat, Ph.d., False Allegations of Sexual Abuse by Children and Adolescents (© 1989 by the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry) (study presented in part at the “Fourth National Conference on Sexual Victimization on Children,” New Orleans, Louisiana, May 1986), https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Barbara_Boat2/publication/20229836_False_Allegations_of_Sexual_Abuse_by_Children_and_Adolescents/links/5ad4de8aaca272fdaf7c01fa/False-Allegations-of-Sexual-Abuse-by-Children-and-Adolescents.pdf
    (9) Ira E. Hyman, Jr. & Joel Pentland , The Role of Mental Imagery in the Creation of False Childhood Memories, Journal of Memory and Language 35, Article No. 0006, pp. 101-117 (Western Washington Univ. 1996), http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.589.3075&rep=rep1&type=pdf
    (10) Stephen J Ceci, Mary L C Huffman, Elliot Smith (HDFS Cornell Univ. 14853) & Elizabeth F Loftus (Univ. of Washington 98195), Repeatedly Thinking about a Non-event: Source Misattributions among Prescholers, Conciuosness and Cognition 3, 388-407 (1994), http://www.demenzemedicinagenerale.net/pdf/Repeatedly%20Thinking_Misattribution.pdf

    Your emotional-plague-ridden psyche demands that your perception misapprehend and misrepresent propositions of my comment of August 10, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT (comment # 237) and my comment of August 11, 2020 at 7:11 pm GMT (comment # 260) — especially the former.

    I did not state or imply — nor did Reich ever state or imply — that children or teens ought to be pressed or even encouraged to engage in coitus or any other sexual act. I did not state or imply — nor did Reich ever state or imply — that adults ought to be free to force adults, teens, or children to engage in coitus or any other sexual act.

    Reich’s core proposition was that psychic health, and a healthy society, require utter absence of repression of free, innocent sexuality — in the case of adult or teen sexuality, free LOVING sexual embrace and in the case of children, free, innocent sexual activity, whether interpersonal (child-to-child touching or fondling) or auto-erogenous (masturbation or other) that causes no physical harm. “Free” sexuality means not only uncoerced, but freely desired.

    Anglo-American rape law errs, harmfully, with its rule that the a rape-allegation must fail if the alleged victim “consented” to coitus. That rule is paternalistic — a rule of a society that promotes or supports male dominance. The rule implies that the male is entitled to sex if the woman consents to the male’s lust-driven demand; the rule makes the woman’s sexuality, her sex-related feelings, irrelevant. The healthy rule would be that a rape-allegation must fail if the alleged victim desired coitus. The healthy rule perceives that free sex is sex that is mutually DESIRED. THAT is the rule that Reich’s work implies.

    In my comment of August 10, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT (comment # 237), I stated:

    In Epstein’s case, if the girls were at least 14-years-old, the non-legal (non-“statutory-rape”) issue is whether, actually, the girls wanted the sex. If they did, Epstein did not do a wrong, but merely violated a legal rule.

    That statement related only to the matter of whether Epstein committed a “moral” wrong — if Epstein did engage in coitus with 14-years-old girls. It did not address the matter of the condition of Epstein’s psyche.

    Assume, for sake of argument, that Epstein did engage in coitus with 14-years-old girls but the girls desired the coitus freely and “intelligently” (understanding the personal, familial, and social implications of their engaging in coitus with a middle aged adult male). Assume also, for sake of argument, (a) that the pertinent statutory rape law either did not apply to cases involving 14-years-old girls or that such law does not exist and (b) that the girls desired coitus “intelligently” and that, therefore, Epstein’s conduct was not “morally” wrong.

    Given those assumptions, very likely (if not certainly) Reich would say the Epstein was psychically ill — that likely his character-structure bore significant ingredients of (a) phallic narcissism, (b) critical sexual insecurity, and, significantly consistent with those two ingredients, (c) a powerful neurotic longing to obtain realization of childhood sexual satisfaction prevented by his parent(s) or by some other repressive force(s) of his childhood environment. The gist is: Epstein sought sex with teens because he was emotionally ill, or worse.

    In my comment of August 10, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT (comment # 237), I referenced the sex mores of pre-colonialization Trobrianders and Polynesians. Apparently, your emotional-plague-ridden psyche cannot endure the reality that a society’s, and its members’, health requires that children enjoy the free sexuality — free sexual expression — that is native to the (free) natural to, and needed by, the human psyche. You were reared in a “civilized” world that makes free sexuality a “sin.”

    Alas, even in the few “civilized” societies that do not deem “free” sexuality a “sin” — e.g. traditional (pre-West-intervention) Chinese, Japanese, and Hindu societies — “free” sexuality was that of the male, NOT also that of the female. For, unlike pre-colonialization Trobriand society and most pre-colonialization Polynesian societies, those Chinese, Japanese, and Hindu societies were both patriarchal and patrilineal.

    A human society cannot be healthy unless it is both matriarchal and matrilineal. PARTLY the reason is the reason why humans tend to be family animals and, relatedly, social beasts. The key is the fact that unlike the infants of many other mammal species, the human infant is frail for years, cannot survive without great, consistent care.

    Many millennia ago when humans were utterly primitive, very likely human females tended to deny sexual gratification to human males who would not care for them (human adult females) and their offspring — protect the fragile offspring and the mother and supply them food and shelter. If a human male indicated (somehow) that he would protect the fragile offspring and the mother and supply them food and shelter, the female would engage in coitus with HIM, rather than another male who did not indicate (somehow) that he would protect her and protect her fragile offspring and supply both of them food and shelter.

    Evolution — the evolutionary rule of survival of the fittest — indicates that protecting, loyal, food-supplying human males would procreate much more than those who would not protect mother and infant and supply them food and shelter, loyally. Hence, humans became familial creatures — ultimately also social creatures.

    In the early, very primitive setting described in the immediately preceding two paragraphs, the more-frequently sex-successful males were, in a significant way, subservient to the women. The males were woman-focused, not in a dominating way, but in a protective, serving way that included yielding to the woman’s inclinations concerning family needs. Hence, the woman made the “rules.” Also, since the woman’s core concern was survival of her child, she would insist that the family’s stable wealth pass to her child, not the father. And since, when SHE became a mother, a female offspring would need the same care and protection her mother needed, the inheritance “rule” would favor a female child.

    Surely, I have simplified much the dynamics of the primitive society I described in the last three paragraphs. Still, that description comports strongly with the well-known, well-studied reality of pre-colonialization Trobriand society and most pre-colonialization Polynesian societies — even as they were early in the 20th century.

    In my comment of August 10, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT (comment # 237), I noted:

    Though Maori culture was not quite matriarchal, neither was it patriarchal; the sexes enjoyed essential equality politically and in most other ways — though labor division was primarily sex-based. Samoan culture was similar, but bore two interesting deviations: The chief was bound to obey his sister, and the men not only gathered most of the food, but also cooked it.

    Those facts fit the society of the San (aka Bushman people), a society unchanged for 40,000 years — until Westerners (Afrikaners and English) destroyed San culture by pressing San to integrate into Western society and become “assimilated.” Pre-integrated, pre-assimilated San society was, at core and ultimately, matriarchal — despite labor was divided according to sex (gender, if your “woke” mind insists).

    In San society, ALWAYS, for virtually every millisecond, the mother was in actual physical contact with her infant, and if, when necessary, the mother had to release contact, another close relative would substitute and take up physical contact with the infant. [San women, including infant-rearing San mothers, played a fierce ball game. Often, the participating mothers held their infants on their hips while they (the mothers) played the game, so that the infants would not be deprived of direct physical contact with their mothers.]

    The San had no “property” — except a few little trinkets and implements used for cooking, foraging, hunting, and building shelters. And, mostly such implements were more a family’s and the community’s chattels, rather than subject to anything like private ownership. So, apparently, San society was neither matrilineal nor patrilineal.

    But, the infant-always-in-physical-contact-with-adult “rule” made San society infant-centered, hence, ultimately mother-centered, thence, in a loose fashion, matriarchal — not in the sense that it was woman-ruled, but in the sense that it was mother-centered.

    I cannot suggest, securely, whether Reich would agree, with my last-previous nine paragraphs — starting with the paragraph that begins “Many millennia ago when humans were utterly primitive….” But my best impression is that he would agree — because of Reich’s published study of pre-colonialization Trobriand society and because of his writings’ stress of the dominant importance of the freedom of children (even infants) and the need of free childhood sexuality and equal free sexuality of male and female teens and adults.

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  276. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I neglected to comment on your assertion that

    …when you talk about “children’s sexuality”, or encouraging it, you obviously approve of robbing them of their childhood.

    Your emotional-plague-ridden psyche perceives children as little dolls that must be “pure.” THAT perception “robs” children of their natural selves, their natural animal selves, their natural sexuality, their sexuality of the innocent beasts they are.

    That theft is exacerbated by the numerous, diverse stictures parents and other repressive environmental forces impose on children to assure that the children’s sexuality will be squelched and that they be deprived even of lesser, alternative modes of expressing the natural needs and longings of their innocent beast selves.

    That whole theft is the cause of the emotional plague, which YOU suffer, because YOU were robbed of your innocent childhood secuality by YOUR parent(s) or by some other repressive force(s) of YOUR childhood environment.

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  277. @Loup-Bouc

    I said I read those books years ago and certainly don’t remember the details nor would I wish to revise his body of work to answer your exam questions. Hey, spare me the lessons in sexology. Actually Reich probably spread the emotional plague rather than helped cure it (Oh another bringing that “plague” to America, like his mentor). How many marriages did he personally break up and wreck? There’s another “progressive” German sexologist who left ruined lives in his wake.

    https://www.rt.com/news/494890-berlin-pedophile-kentler-victims/

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    , @Loup-Bouc
  278. @Loup-Bouc

    “Close physical contact” between parents and their children is perfectly normal and natural and has nothing to do with “sexuality”. You seem to be confusing parental and familial love with the act of sex. I agree that some others, in both primitive and civilised societies, are confused about this, and can’t seem to draw the line between the two leading them to engage in unnatural and abnormal practices. I’m not implying anything about you personally, since your own interest in the issue is purely intellectual.

  279. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Commentator Mike

    …I read those books years ago and certainly don’t remember the details nor would I wish to revise his body of work to answer your exam questions.

    You are a LIAR. See also my comment of August 13, 2020 at 7:22 pm GMT (comment # 280) and my comment of August 14, 2020 at 12:08 am GMT (comment # 281).

    …nor would I wish to revise his body of work to answer your exam questions.

    My questions do not require that you “revise” Reich’s work.

    You are not competent to “revise” Reich’s work for any purpose legitimate psychiatric science, or for any sane purpose. Reich’s work was genius. You are a mere prevaricating idiot.

    [MORE]

    You HAVE attempted to “revise” Reich’s work illegitimately, spuriously, scurrilously — by libeling Reich to assassinate Reich’s character with assertions that his work includes socially harmful, even psychopathic propositions that his work does not state.

    Reich probably spread the emotional plague….

    Probably? Do you conclude so by running a multiple regression and then including the result in a Bayesian probability calculation? What utterly ridiculous, slimy fudging.

    YOUR COMMENTS are blatant fact-falsifying, evidence-free libels and character-assassinations — blatant symptoms of emotional plague.

    How many marriages did he [Reich] personally break up and wreck?

    You continue to invent facts premised on NOTHING except your emotional plague. ZERO evidence indicates that Reich caused any patient’s marriage to fail. Reich did have a marriage that ended with divorce, but neither party claimed that the other’s behavior was wrongful; and his wife was not his patient.

    There’s another “progressive” German sexologist who left ruined lives in his wake.

    https://www.rt.com/news/494890-berlin-pedophile-kentler-victims/

    Reich was NOT a “sexologist.” He was one of the greatest-ever psychiatrists, at least the equal of Freud and Jung. Reich’s Character Analysis technique prevailed over Frued’s psychoanalytic technique.

    You put an internet link that opens an RT [online journal] article addressing an allegation that a psychologist [not a psychiatrist], Helmut Kentler, was somehow responsible for the Berlin Senate’s having “orchestrated a crackpot scheme that saw vulnerable children being placed in the care of known pedophiles for decades.”

    According to the ever-unreliable, politically-criminal character-assassination machine Wikipedia, “Helmut Kentler (2 July 1928 in Cologne – 9 July 2008 in Hannover) was a German psychologist, sexual scientist, and [University of Hannover] professor [whose] sexual-political positions in his writings were seen and criticized as trivialization of pedophilia.” RT adds: “[Kentler]…claimed that sexual contact with adults does no harm to children [and that] Pedophiles taking care of them would only “emancipate” their “sexuality….”

    One can risk believing Wikipedia’s description of matters of, say, chemistry and physics, unless the context is a question of whether, e.g., a certain very commercially profitable product’s or operation’s chemistry may cause harm. But a person is a fool if the person believes anything Wikipedia says concerning an individual’s or other entity’s character or possibly anti-neoliberal, anti-Democrat, conservative, or otherwise politically “sensitive” speech or other conduct. Also, RT does not adduce any actual evidence, but merely asserts that “Kentler repeatedly put [that same claim] in countless books and on TV.”

    Still, I shall assume, for sake of argument, that Wikipedia’s and RT’s assertions state truth concerning Kentler. The here-pertinent facts are: (a) Reich did not have any association with Kentler. (b) Reich’s works and Reich’s psychiatric method clash utterly with the claims attributed to Kentler.

    Oh, wait, I see. You are a Hindu — even an avatar of Vishnu — and you know that Kentler was a reincarnation of Reich or that Reich was a reincarnation of Kentler.

    Sorry: just one silly problem (other than that, like all religions, Hinduism is life-damaging, toxic dreck). Kentler was born long before Reich died; so Kentler could not have been Reich’s reincarnation. Kentler died long after Reich died; so Reich could not have been Kentler’s reincarnation.

    In your comment of August 14, 2020 at 5:43 am GMT (comment # 284), you say:

    “Close physical contact” between parents and their children is perfectly normal and natural and has nothing to do with “sexuality”. You seem to be confusing parental and familial love with the act of sex.

    Actually, parenting IS sexual, in its inception (coitus and the somatic and psychic imperatives that drive the participants to it) and in HEALTHY and HEALTHFUL aspects of its child-rearing manifestations, e.g., the PSYCHICALLY HEALTHY mother’s breast-feeding the child (as any healthy beast does) and the father’s manly pride — such parenting aspects being derivatives of the same biochemical. physiological, and psychosexual mechanisms that drive humans to express manifest sexual love.

    In your comment of August 14, 2020 at 5:43 am GMT (comment # 284), you assert also:

    I agree that some others, in both primitive and civilised [sic] societies, are confused about this [the relation of parenting, childhood, and sexuality], and can’t seem to draw the line between the two leading them to engage in unnatural and abnormal practices.

    YOU posit a parenting view that is horrendously UNNATURAL — a specimen of the general parenting view that is the primary cause of emotional plague. Your view is a reflection of the life-squelching doctrines of all religions, especially most forms of Christian religion, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism.

    But, perhaps I err: perhaps masturbation WILL blind the children (boys and girls ) who perform it on themselves — for the reason Yahweh slew Onan. So, perhaps if a mother discovers her boy-child masturbating, she ought get a scissors and amputate his penis — to save his sight and return him to the “grace” of “God.”

    And so it came to pass that Yahweh scourged his children, that they be pure in his sight.

    No, O “God,” the far worse sin: parents’ cribbing their infant in their boudoir, where they (parents) make love, NUDE. What a sin of sins — letting a child to see love.

    Funny, though: What explains the immense happiness of primitive societies where parents commit that sin near-every-time they make love — happiness found near-never in “God”-fearing or sexually “moral” civilizations?

  280. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Emendation of my comment of August 14, 2020 at 8:18 pm GMT (Comment # 286):

    NOT

    You are not competent to “revise” Reich’s work for any purpose legitimate psychiatric science, or for any sane purpose.

    BUT, INSTEAD

    You are not competent to “revise” Reich’s work for any purpose of legitimate psychiatric science, or for any sane purpose.

  281. @Loup-Bouc

    Thank you, Israel Shamir.

    Good article. I concur. Yes, I found myself disagreeing with Shamir’s theories about Maxwell, Epstein and the Mossad, but Shamir made so many other interesting points that this article still shines.

    Please, friends, stop giving Israel Shamir so much shit because he’s a Jew. As a proud and bonafide ‘anti-Semite’ myself, let me say that denouncing a good man like Israel Shamir over his heterodoxy on a few questions involving some infamous Jews is (IMHO) bad manners.

    I’ve been reading Shamir’s essays for years (and learning from them) and he’s his own man. Shamir is also bold, brilliant and truthful (as he sees it) on every issue–including the Jewish one. I think that he’s mostly wrong about Maxwell and Epstein (and the Mossad) but much still remains unknown about the whole clandestine affair. Let’s wait and see what facts emerge.

    BTW- Ron Unz also gets similarly shoddy treatment sometimes from readers. I don’t think it’s exactly right. Greater respect is due for these two accomplished men (though pointed disagreement must always be welcome and tolerated.) After all, they are a bigger part of this extraordinary resource (Unz Review) than us mere commentators. So let’s show some courtesy.

    Anyway, Shamir makes many brilliant points about the ‘New Puritanism’ and deserves credit for sticking his neck out. Defending Harvey Weinstein? That takes balls. But Shamir is right to note that countless nubile, young females often and eagerly trade sex for money/status/work. These are just variations on the world’s oldest profession.

    That said, I’m glad that Weinstein is in jail and Maxwell will soon be sitting before a prosecutor.

    Anyway, even if Shamir is not always right, he is still always interesting. And Ron Unz brings him here to us for free. Not a bad deal.

    As for me, I will happily give Shamir a pass on this flawed but very bold and original article. And thank you, Ron Unz, for delivering to the English-speaking world one of the best political sites on the planet.

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  282. Kali says:
    @mark green

    As for me, I will happily give Shamir a pass on this flawed but very bold and original article. And thank you, Ron Unz, for delivering to the English-speaking world one of the best political sites on the planet.

    You give fair comment, mark green.
    In my first (substantive) comment on this article I admit was far too brutal in the inferences I drew, and far too personal in my evaluation of Mr Shamirs motivations..

    For that I do apologise, Mr Shamir.

    I think it’s obvious that my own life experiences colour my responces to the topic of the sexual exploitation of children and young adults. But that is no excuse for me to question your (probably very genuine) reasons for writing this article.
    I hope you accept my apology.

    That said, sadly we live in an age in which every year :

    In Australia, an estimated 20,000 children are reported missing every year.
    Australian Federal Police, National Coordination Centre.

    In Canada, an estimated 45,288 children are reported missing each year.
    Government of Canada, Canada’s Missing – 2015 Fast Fact Sheet.

    In Germany, an estimated 100,000 children are reported missing each year.
    Initiative Vermisste Kinder.

    In India, an estimated 96,000 children go missing each year.
    Bachpan Bachao Andolan, Missing Children of India.

    In Jamaica, an estimated 1,984 children were reporting missing in 2015.
    Jamaica’s Office of Children’s Registry

    In Russia, an estimated 45,000 children were reported missing in 2015.
    Interview with Pavel Astakhov MIA “Russia Today”, Apr. 4, 2016.

    In Spain, an estimated 20,000 children are reported missing every year.
    Spain Joins EU Hotline for Missing Children, Sep. 22, 2010.

    In the United Kingdom, an estimated 112,853 children are reported missing every year.
    National Crime Agency, UK Missing Persons Bureau.

    In the United States, an estimated 460,000 children are reported missing every year.
    Federal Bureau of Investigation, NCIC.

    Source: https://globalmissingkids.org/awareness/missing-children-statistics/

    It is estimated that aproximately one million children and 3.8 million women were trafficked for sexual exploitation in 2016:

    1. There are more than 4 million victims of sex trafficking globally

    A study from the United Nations’ International Labour Organization estimated 3.8 million adults and 1 million children were victims of forced sexual exploitation in 2016 around the world.

    2. 99% are women and girls

    The vast majority of sex trafficking victims are women and girls, though men, boys, trans, intersex and nonbinary individuals can be victims as well. The International Labour Organization estimates that 99% of the adults and children forced into sexual exploitation in 2016 are female.

    Source: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2019/07/29/12-trafficking-statistics-enormity-global-sex-trade/1755192001/

    Reports of satanic abuse and of sexual blackmail operations run by various “intelligence” agencies are readily available on the internet. I don’t think there’s any reason for me to go searching for such reports for the purpose of providing links.

    In the UK, between 1979 and 1999 114 files reporting the activities of suspected parliamentary paedophile conveniently “went missing”, never to be seen again. Investigations into what happened to those files have been, unsurprisingly, bungled to the extent that we will never fully know the truth.
    See: https://www.rt.com/uk/170784-missing-files-westminster-pedophile/
    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/westminster-child-sex-abuse-probe-hears-how-parties-and-police-covered-up-abuse/04/03/
    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/child-sex-abuse-goddard-inquiry-16854

    I could go on and on with this, listing reports dealing with the sex trafficing of minors from countries all around the globe, without even touching on the subject of domestic abuse of children by family members/friends.

    The point is, that it is into this backdrop of ubiquitous abuse of children and adults that you, Mr Shamir, present your (not entirely unreasonable) notion of “neo-puritanism” as you attempt to approach the topic from the perspective of the possibly unfairly accused victims of “neo-puritan” witch hunts.
    The bulk of examples you offer to support your thesis may have skewed the point you were trying to make. – Overall, I think your article comes accross as a defence of sleeze rather than an exploration of what you term “neo-puritanism”. I doubt this was your intention!

    The fact is that the sexual exploitation of children and vulnerable adults MUST be taken seriously if we are ever to irradiated this life-destroying abuse from our world. Your article serves exactly the oposite purpose.

    Your sympathy for those who are wrongly accused, and your concerns regarding “guilt by accusation” are fair. But, sadly, your seeming lack of empathy for the aproximately 1,000,000 children and 4,000,000 women trafficked as sex-slaves around the planet every year by the wealthy, powerful, protected “elites” and their suppliers, brought you a very strong backlash from many commenters here because the issue naturally induces strong emotions in many, as warranted by the data.

    Abused children become damaged adults, and cycles if abuse and exploitation continue, generation after generation, where no intervention occurs. (When I comment that “in my world” the ONLY crime is crime against the child, I am dead serious!)

    Wealthy and powerful individuals, including politicians, parliamentarians, royals, members of the judicary, chairmen/women of official investigations, governmental organisations/inteligence agencies, celebrities, film-makers, pornography film-makers, priests, rabis, …. etc, etc…. deal in the exploitation and sexual abuse of children for their own personal gain, for perverse sexual gratification and/or to establish blackmail operations, utterly careless of and indifferent to the massive harm they inflict on the children they victimise. Harm which in the vast majority of cases lasts for the lifetime of the victim.

    On this website there are one or two articles addressing certain aspects of this ubiquitous sickness (Ron’s American Provda article on Pizagate and Larry Ramanoffs’ report on MKULTRA being two very good examples) but, by and large, the subject is not given the attention it deserves if we are to expose this ugly underbelly of the neo-liberal political economy. – This is true of most political news outlets, not just UR, which, as mark points out, is by far one of the best political sites on the planet.

    And though I realise that the purpose of your “neo-puritain” article was to draw attention to an (I would argue, very minor) aspect of this problem which you feel needs attention you inadvertently belittle and trivialise the horrific experiences of millions upon millions of people every year and offer a fig leaf of protection to the perpetrators of this ugly crime.

    Again, it is unfair of me to project onto you any motivation outside of that which you offer. Your article speaks for itself, and – though you chosen some really bad examples, in my opinion – you do have a valid point to make.

    I am sorry if I caused you pain or distress. My personal experiences and perspective are no excuse for that, though I do hope you accept that my reaction, however unfairly directed, was genuine.

    Sincerely, and with prayers that we may together, in some small way, make a better world for future generations,
    Kali.

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  283. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Kali

    I appreciate your statement that

    In my first (substantive) comment on this article I admit was far too brutal in the inferences I drew, and far too personal in my evaluation of Mr Shamirs motivations.

    Perhaps you are not a psychopath. But your psyche is pathologically fixated on alleged sex-abuse and alleged kidnaping — pathologically because you incline to presume such alleged crimes existences despite absence of adequate proof. And that psychic pathology is at least a symptom of serious character neurosis. You need Orgonomic help.

    [MORE]

    You present a list of REPORTS that children were “missing.” Your source — https://globalmissingkids.org/ — is markedy biased, not deserving ready trust. But — though, for lack of substantial, creditable evidence, I do not suggest the reports are false — I know that many reported-missing children are, actually, runaways. [My own case bears a tidbit of anecdotal evidence: When I was 13, I ran away from home and stayed away until midway through my 15th year, when cops arrested me for truancy. While free from my parents, I met other runaways who, like me, preferred the streets to their parents’ brutal mercies.]

    You present a wee litany of reports of kidnapings wrought for sex-trafficking. Your source — https://eu.usatoday.com — is a gravely untrustworthy left-wing fake-news mill. And, like other “statistics” of other “crimes,” such statistics are very suspect, whatever their source. See, e.g.,
    * my comments posted under Ron Unz’s article “Race and Crime in America,” https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
    * AND under John-Paul Leonard’s article “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?,” https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/
    my comments of June 28, 2020 at 1:48 am GMT (comment # 533) and June 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm GMT (comment # 546)
    * AND under Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor,” https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/
    my comment of June 10, 2020 at 2:12 am GMT (comment # 401)

    I do not deny that, for centuries, sundry, perhaps many, societies (mostly “civilized” societies) have been marred by child sex abuse and child kidnaping wrought for sexual abuse purposes. But many too many people hallucinate sexual abuse, or invent it, nefariously, to hurt someone or even to hurt an entire sex (the male sex), or for power greed, wealth greed, or notoriety.

    The #MeToo movement — a psychopathic movement — exacerbates fixations and presumptions like yours — whether the alleged victim is adult or child. The quite real, frequent, and outrageous Catholic priest child sex abuses provide #MeToo mentality “excuse” for witch-hunting men. But the witch-hunt emotional plague problem began very long before the #MeToo movement began.

    For centuries, adults and children put false sex-offense allegations — and false kidnaping claims — against men (and boys), even against women. In the early years of the European Renaissance, such claims were nearly fashionable sports played against European Jews. And, in recent years — much because of warped Alt Right thinking, often presented at Unz Review — that early European false-kidnaping-charge sport enjoyed (briefly, I hope) a reinvigoration.

    Consider the following quote of part of my comment of January 28, 2020 at 10:46 pm GMT (comment # 102) posted under Eric Striker’s article “Jewish Brilliance: Synthetic Like Zirconia,” https://www.unz.com/estriker/jewish-brilliance-synthetic-like-zirconia/#comment-3685359

    In his article “American Pravda: Oddities of the Jewish Religion,” https://unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion , Ron Unz asserts (at least suggests strenuously) that ACTUALLY medieval and renaissance Jews kidnaped and committed ritual murders of Christian boys to sacrifice them to Jaweh and drink their blood or use their blood to make Passover matzah balls. Mr. Unz cites and purports to rely on Ariel Toaff, “BLOOD PASSOVER: The Jews of Europe and Ritual Murder” (2007 translation per Gian Marco Lucchese & Pietro Gianetti available at http://israelshamir.net/BLOODPASSOVER.pdf

    In the “FOREWORD BY ORIGINAL TRANSLATORS” of Areal Toaff’s “BLOOD PASSOVER,” the Original Translators (Gian Marco Lucchese and Pietro Gianetti, both anti-Semites) assert that, according to Toaff:
    * Jews kidnapped and castrated Christian boys on a large scale and sold them into slavery in Islamic Spain for centuries;
    * Jews used [and still use?] human blood in all sorts of quack remedies, despite the Biblical prohibition, even for minor complaints;
    *Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their matzoh balls at Passover;
    * Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their wine at Passover;
    * the blood had to be from Christian boys no more than 7 years of age;
    * the blood had [has?] to be certified kosher by a rabbi;
    * there was [is?] a large and profitable trade in fake blood products and animal blood, which was [are?] unsuitable to the purpose;
    * Christians tried to sell the blood of Christian boys to Jews, but were rejected because the Jews feared it was animal blood

    The translators’ FOREWORD adds that Toaff said “no Christian boys were ever killed to obtain the blood. Never, never! Or hardly ever. It all came from “voluntary donors”! Then the translators’ FOREWORD closes with this:
    “Anybody having read the book will simply laugh.
    The only “saving clause” is that these charges are made against Ashkenazi Jews only. It would be interesting to see how much filthy ‘Sephardic linen’the Ashkenazi could air in public if they so chose.”

    ***** Toaff’s BLOOD PASSOVER does NOT assert or suggest, anywhere, that anyone ever alleged that Saphardic Jews committed ritual murder of Christian boys or used their involuntarily-obtained blood in rituals or otherwise. Toaff’s book does NOT prove, or assert, that Ashkenazi Jews — or any other Jews — committed such crimes, for Jewish ritual or any other purpose.

    Rather, Toaff’s book observes medieval and renaissance ALLEGATIONS that Ashkenazi Jews committed such crimes and observes that under torture, or in fear of torture, several Jews confessed to such crimes. See BLOOD PASSOVER at, E.G., Chapters I, II, III, and about the first half of Chapter IV (pp.19-99).

    ***** But Toaff’s book PROVES that actually such crimes were never committed — proves so by observing the clear, never-refuted history that in enough such cases of ritual murder ALLEGATIONS and TORTURE-inspired confessions (or plea-bargains of ALLEGED co-conspirators or ALLEGED crime-accessories), the ALLEGED victims were NOT ANYONE’s victim.

    ***** In some cases the alleged child victim (a) was neither murdered nor harmed by a Jew or anyone else or (b) was found having died of natural causes or by no wrongful act of any Jew or anyone else. Or, the accused Jews were released (the charges dismissed), in some instances because of their non-rebutted denials of wrongdoing — though some alleged that Jews bribed their ways to exoneration or freedom. See BLOOD PASSOVER at, E.G., Chapters IV & V. In enough cases, the allegedly murdered boys were not 7 years old or younger, but teenagers. See BLOOD PASSOVER at, E.G., Chapter IV.

    In enough cases, the allegations were explained by desire to confiscate the money and other property of the accused Jews. See BLOOD PASSOVER Chapter IV.

    In at least one other case, a Jew’s own greed explained his tricking and accusing other Jews. Cf., E.G., this account, appearing at BLOOD PASSOVER p.127:

    *** Instruments of torture may have been, and were, used on the other defendants to loosen their tongues; in the case of the wily Wolfgang, perhaps they might have been of more use in damming up the torrent of incredible revelations which he seemed unable to control. Hurt to the quick, and stung in his vanity, the young painter completely flew off the handle, raised his voice and shouted defiantly at anyone who would listen:
    ‘By God! I have reported what Rizzardo told me, word for word, and thus I will repeat it, before any Lord or Prince: just take me to the place of execution and decapitate me, or kill me in any other way, but I will not speak otherwise than I have done’.
    *** For his part, Rizzardo da Brescia had a no less famous namesake. The Jew Rizzardo (Reichard) of Mospach was a swindler and good-for nothing, arrested for theft at Regensburg in 1475. To his inquisitors, the latter Rizzardo confessed that he had been baptized several times to obtain money and other benefits from ingenuous Christians to whom he turned, both city people and peasants. But even the Jews, according to him, had proven the gullible victims of his tricks. The Jews Krautheim, Bamberg and Regensburg had purchased fake Hosts, which he claimed to have purloined from various churches in the area, to be ‘tortured’ by the Jews during their anti-Christian rites. Rizzardo-Reichard — who lived alternately as a Jew and alternately as a Christian — was married to three women simultaneously, each one of them unaware of the existence of the others. ***

    In modern times, very frequently false sex-offense allegations have led to false charges, even false convictions, often convictions proved false strongly enough to produce judicial exonerations of the falsely convicted men, often exonerations based on DNA-analysis or other genetic evidence (e.g., HLA evidence).
    See, e.g., and compare, these sources:
    (1) Samuel R. Gross, Kristen Jacoby, Daniel J. Matheson, and Nicholas Montgomery, Exonerations in the United States 1989 through 2003, 95 Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 523, especially, but not only, at pp.528-529 (2005), https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7186&context=jclc
    (2) Eugene J. Kanin, Ph.D., False Rape Allegations, Archives of Sexual Behavior, V. 23, No. 1 (1994), found a false rape charge rate of 41% (or 50%, see Appendix of same study), http://www.aals.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Bowen-Kanin-False-Rape-Empirical.pdf
    (3) P. Rumney, False allegations of rape, Cambridge Law J., 65 (1) pp. 125-158 (2006) (meta-analysis, UK, U.S., & other nations), http://eprints.uwe.ac.uk/6478/1/Download.pdf . At pp. 136-37, Rumney reports scholarly estimates of the percentage of false rape-accusations: mean 22.083%, standard deviation 20.351
    (5) Is a woman’s word enough?, Oz Conservative, reporting a Washington D.C. study’s determination that 24% of rape charges were unfounded. (That source observes also the findings of Kanin, False Rape Allegations, supra.)
    (6) Lee Coleman & Patrick Clancy, HAS A CHILD BEEN MOLESTED? (1997), http://innocencelegalteam.com/wp-content/uploads/resources/1/Book-Has-A-Child-Been-Molested.pdf
    (7) Lee Coleman, False Accusations of Sexual Abuse: Psychiatry’s Latest Reign of Error, The J. of Mind and Behavior Vol. 11, No. 3/4 — SPECIAL ISSUE: Challenging the Therapeutic State: Critical Perspectives on Psychiatry and the Mental Health System (1990), pp. 545-556, https://www.jstor.org/stable/43854106?read-now=1&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
    (8) Mark D. Everson, Ph.d., and Barbara W. Boat, Ph.d., False Allegations of Sexual Abuse by Children and Adolescents (© 1989 by the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry) (study presented in part at the “Fourth National Conference on Sexual Victimization on Children,” New Orleans, Louisiana, May 1986), https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Barbara_Boat2/publication/20229836_False_Allegations_of_Sexual_Abuse_by_Children_and_Adolescents/links/5ad4de8aaca272fdaf7c01fa/False-Allegations-of-Sexual-Abuse-by-Children-and-Adolescents.pdf
    (9) Ira E. Hyman, Jr. & Joel Pentland , The Role of Mental Imagery in the Creation of False Childhood Memories, Journal of Memory and Language 35, Article No. 0006, pp. 101-117 (Western Washington Univ. 1996), http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.589.3075&rep=rep1&type=pdf
    (10) Stephen J Ceci, Mary L C Huffman, Elliot Smith (HDFS Cornell Univ. 14853) & Elizabeth F Loftus (Univ. of Washington 98195), Repeatedly Thinking about a Non-event: Source Misattributions among Prescholers, Conciuosness and Cognition 3, 388-407 (1994), http://www.demenzemedicinagenerale.net/pdf/Repeatedly%20Thinking_Misattribution
    (11) Lindsay C. Malloy, M.A., Thomas D. Lyon, J.D., Ph.D., Jodi A. Quas, Ph.D., Filial Dependency and Recantation of Child Sexual Abuse Allegations, J. Am. Acad. Child Adolesc. Psychiatry, 46:2 (February 2007), https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/32136237/Malloy_Lyon_and_Quas_2007_PDF.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1547691391&Signature=hNfCuxPSrAIp7Nc6KSX6yr5hEbM%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DFilial_Dependency_and_Recantation_of_Chi.pdf
    (12) MEMORY DISTORTION: HOW MINDS, BRAINS, AND SOCIETIES RECONSTRUCT THE PAST, Daniel L, Schacter, Editor, contributing Editors Joseph T. Coyle, Gerald D. Fishbach, Merek-Marsel Mesulam, Lawrence E. Sullivan (Harvard Univ. Press, Cambridge MA, London UK 1995, paperback 1997), published partially online at https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=P5fTQ2vYkrgC&oi=fnd&pg=PA91&dq=frequency+false+child+molestation+claims&ots=P_nq2Y6xfb&sig=sQGWhlb2uvK5dEjLjUiAicGwUhs#v=onepage&q&f=false
    (13) Graham Anthony & Jane Watkeys, False allegations in child sexual abuse: the pattern of referral in an area where reporting is not mandatory, Children & Society Vol. 5 # 2, pp.111-122 (1991, online issue 18 December 2007), https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1099-0860.1991.tb00377.x
    (14) Kamala London (University of Toledo [Ohio]), Maggie Bruck (Johns Hopkins University), Daniel B. Wright (University of Sussex, UK), Stephen J. Ceci (Cornell Univeristy), Review of the contemporary literature on how children report sexual abuse to others: Findings, methodological issues, and implications for forensic interviewers, in MEMORY, 2008, 16 (1), pp.29-47 (© 2007 by Psychology Press), especially, but not only, at pp.35-36 (including the graph set on p.36) & pp.42-44, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5690103_Review_of_the_contemporary_literature_on_how_children_report_sexual_abuse_to_others_Findings_methodological_issues_and_implications_for_forensic_interviewers

    A shining example is the Wenatchee child sex abuse witch-hunt, adults and police and Child Protectin Services bandwagoning children’s false sex-abuse claims to spur false prosecutions against innocent adults, eventually exonerated.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee_child_abuse_prosecutions — especially, but not only, this part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee_child_abuse_prosecutions#Aftermath
    The immediately following six (6) links open the six parts of one article https://web.archive.org/web/20031004193153/http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/powertoharm/history.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20030803231353/http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/powertoharm/history2.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20030406164805/http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/powertoharm/history3.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20030308021359/http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/powertoharm/history4.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20030407000503/http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/powertoharm/history5.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20030407035631/http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/powertoharm/history6.html
    The next-following link opens a different article. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/12/us/pastor-and-wife-are-acquitted-on-all-charges-in-sex-abuse-case.html

    Respecting the cases of Epstein, Weinstein, and the others Mr. Shamir’s article mentioned (except Julian Assange), I have no opinion — for lack of sufficient evidence that my honor will permit me to credit. But I have a well-educated sense that those individuals’ criminal convictions were, or will be, based on emotion and politics more than on evidence, logic, and law.

    Julian Assange’s case is special: When I consider all the evidence I have encountered, I conclude that Mr. Assange was not guilty of the sex charges brought against him — that Sweden’s #MeToo movement precursor and the U.S. deep state and the Obama administration invented the sex charges to end Mr. Assange.

    Having been an abused child, having had a mother and father who abandoned me to an orphanage, and twice having been an object of homosexual rape attempts, I feel much empathy for children and adults who suffer actual sexual abuse or kidnaping.

    [Homosexual rape attempts? I am heterosexual. Homosexuality is NOT “natural,” but a symptom of character neurosis that renders very many homosexuals variously dangerous. Most child-molesting Catholic priests (the boy-molesting ones) exemplify that character neurosis, as do many male “civilian” homosexuals who consider young boys delectable “chicken.” Recall the homosexual predations of ancient Rome and of ancient Greece (homosexual predations not unknown in modern Greece).]

    But, having completed Orgone therapy and having been a lawyer 52 years, a professor for 48 years, and a physician 24 years, I view sceptically every sex-crime or sex-abuse-purposed “kidnaping” allegation.

    As Mr. Shamir’s article indicates, much evidence renders at least reasonably questionable — if not somewhat dubious — the claim that teen girls were “kidnaped” to provide slavish sex to Epstein and his friends or political or “business” associates.

    Again, I suggest you obtain Orgonomic help — so you may shed your unfortunate biases and harbor healthy scepticism.

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  284. Kali says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    I appreciate your response, Loup-Bouc, and that you now conclude I might not be a psychopath. I truly hope you appreciate how funny your pronouncements are to me. I find it difficult to take such pronouncements seriously given that they change so readily. One day you love me, the next you declare that I am a psychopath, and the next that I might not be after all. Your judgement of others is similarly inconsistent.

    To be blunt, as you are given to be, I suggest that you get your own mental health in order (sans Wilhelm Reich!) before condescending to pronounce judgement on anyone else. Or if you must judge on the sanity of others, don’t be in such a rush! Your purported qualifications demand greater care!

    Your rush to judgement based on far to little information renders your judgements, at best, unreliable, and at worse, dangerous, if you are in a possition as professor/lawyer/doctor, as you claim.

    The bulk of your response to my comment is aimed at discrediting reports of sexual abuse and rape, where hard proof of the same is absent. So I ask, how might one go about PROOVING one was raped as a child, or that one was otherwise cohersed into performing sexual acts against ones will or better judgement?

    You assert that you were a victim of childhood sexual abuse. Should your claim be dismissed because you have no way at all to prove the truth of your experiences? Should you be accused of lying because your assertions cannot be proven?

    As I stated in my comment above: “Abused children become damaged adults, and cycles if abuse and exploitation continue, generation after generation, where no intervention occurs.”

    Because some alergations are indeed false, and the lives of wrongly accused individuals may well be shattered by such allegations, should we, as a society, allow aproximately 1 million children per year and 3 million women per year to be trafficked as sex-slaves for wealthy and powerful men and women to abuse?

    Sadly, we find ourselves in a situation where we must choose, at the risk of harming innocent adults, to take alergations seriously, even where hard proof may be absent.
    Or choose to risk the destruction of many hundreds of thousands of children’s lives every year at the hands of psychopathic adults who invent such things as “false memory syndrome” in order to deflect credible accusations away from themselves and their cohorts.

    I admit, I do not have the answers.
    But I know that without intervention on behalf of abused children, greater and greater numbers of damaged adults will perpetuate cycles of abuse to the detriment of our species.

    And I know that, as a species, we are capable of so much better!

    I eagerly await you next pronouncement on the state of my mental health.

    With love (whether you like it or not!),
    Kali.

    (N.B. the links I provided were randomly chosen to illustrate my points. No source on this issue is definitive, as clearly outlined in the first link.)

  285. Loup-Bouc says:

    You assert that you were a victim of childhood sexual abuse.

    You need to learn to READ. I did NOT say I was “a victim of childhood sexual abuse.” My language was: “Having been an abused child….” The abuse was physical, horrible, and frequent, but never sexual.

    Your misreading was not acidental, but akin to a Freudian slip. Your misreading fits the diagnosis stated in the second and third sentences of the second paragrpah of my comment:

    But your psyche is pathologically fixated on alleged sex-abuse and alleged kidnaping — pathologically because you incline to presume such alleged crimes existences despite absence of adequate proof. And that psychic pathology is at least a symptom of serious character neurosis.

    You wrote: “Because some alergations are indeed false….” No. MANY allegations are false. The term “many” grates against your character-neurotic perception’s warpage that causes you to see a flood of sex-crimes where the spread is a trickle.

    You wrote:

    Sadly, we find ourselves in a situation where we must choose, at the risk of harming innocent adults, to take alergations seriously, even where hard proof may be absent.

    Your term “must” is a term of your character neurosis. It is the term that renders you a witch-hunter who ruins, or would ruin, innocent lives.

    I admit, I do not have the answers.

    You do not ask the right questions, because your character neurosis causes you to need to see sex-crimes where the only “evidence” is allegation (one, several, or many allegations, but zero competent proof).

    You did not READ the indications of the statistics-presentations, studies, and research works I cited. The false sex-offense-claim frequency is horrendously GREAT.

    Get Orgonomic help. You are dangerous.

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  286. Kali says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    And there I was imagining that you might actually attempt to answer the very clear questions I posed, Loup-Bouc.
    Silly me.

  287. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Kali

    This comment supplements my comment of August 21, 2020 at 2:31 pm GMT (comment # 293).

    In a comment I posted under another Unz Review article not authored by Israel Shamir, I suggested you were a healthy beast. My impression rested on my having read a comment you posted there and then my having reviewed many of your other comments (all I could find), posted under that article and elsewhere. I wondered whether all your comments showed, consistently, the quality I saw in your comment that moved my to research your commenting.

    [MORE]

    But then, new evidence occurred — the evidence of your emotional-plague-driven wrongful judgment of Mr. Shamir. THAT evidence impeached, compellingly, all the previous evidence that suggested you were a healthy beast. Hence my diagnosis that you are a psychopath.

    You wrote:

    …you now conclude I might not be a psychopath. I truly hope you appreciate how funny your pronouncements are to me.

    I wrote” Perhaps you may not be a psychopath” — a double subjunctive proposition, its double subjunctivity indicating great bought whether you are NOT a psychopath. Barely any change of diagnosis — merely a highly tentative change. Also I said:

    But your psyche is pathologically fixated on alleged sex-abuse and alleged kidnaping — pathologically because you incline to presume such alleged crimes existences despite absence of adequate proof. And that psychic pathology is at least a symptom of serious character neurosis.

    [Emphasis added here.]

    At least two character neuroses border psychopathy closely: The phallic narcissist character-neurosis and the hysteric character-neurosis (which also is a narcissistic neurosis). Those character neuroses differ from psychopathy only because their character-structures bear a smidgin of conscience, a tiny pinch of capacity of empathy, a not-unsubstantial measure of hidden self-doubt, and fear that causes the character-neurotic considerable private pain because the character-neurotic is driven to mask the fear not only from society, but also, to an extent, from herself.

    * [Side-Note:
    Though rarely, women can be phallic narcissist character-neurotics — some “bull dykes” constituting the prime example. Though rarely, men can be hysteric character-neurotics — some femme homosexuals constituting the prime example. See, e.g., Wilhelm Reich, Wilhelm Reich, CHARACTER ANALYSIS (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux 1972, paperback 1990), Paperback ISBN-13: 978-0-374-50!J8IJ–l, Paperback ISBN-lO: 0-:374-50980-8, excerpted here: https://wilhelmreichtrust.org/character_analysis.pdf.
    End Side-Note]

    I stated Perhaps you may not be a psychopath” because you showed a wee bit of capacity of self-doubt (even a minute twinge of conscience) with your statement that your “first (substantive) comment on [Mr. Shamir’s] article…was far too brutal in the inferences I drew, and far too personal in my evaluation of Mr Shamirs [sic] motivations.” But your statement may not have been sincere. I may have reflected only apprehension that if you did not show some circumspection, you would appear NOT the quasi-saint want to seem to others AND to your narcissistic self.

    YOUR narcissism’s ingredients include: (a) your self-perception that you are saintly, more good and kind than ordinary humans, saintly even more than Mother Theresa (who was, actually, a rather pathologically selfish creature) and (b) your forcefully driving need that others see you so — a savior of all the little sexually abused and kidnaped children (boys and girls) and teens (girls more than boys) and women (but not men), a saint who protects the little and helpless ones from all those evilly, rabidly, brutally lustful MEN.

    Just so, I stated quite with doubly subjunctive, highly tentative terms my consideration that Perhaps you may not be a psychopath.”

    You assert that I have been wrongly judgmental. But our colloquy began because YOU judged Mr. Shamir. My “judgment” was, actually, a debunking of your outrageous, emotional-plague-driven judgment of Mr. Shamir. Also, the matter is not the occurrence of judgement, but an occurring judgment’s rationality.

    You chose as your name-sake the Hindu goddess Kali, the great destroyer. You claimed to have chosen that name-sake because your guru moved you to believe you needed to destroy your ego. But, with your emotional-plague-driven judgment of Mr. Shamir, you showed that you chose Kali your name-sake because your narcissism drives you to destroy others, especially men. Just so, you are preoccupied with “finding” men’s sexual exploitation of children, teens, even women. Just so, you disregard the matter of whether you find such men who are properly PROVEN sexual predators: for your craving of destruction, a mere allegation suffices to premise your rage.

    THAT behavior is emotional plague — a symptom of psychopathy more than of any other warpage of psyche. The key matter is the emotion of emotional plague.

    You appear to claim to follow Hinduism — one of the markedly very repressive religions, jst as is its progeny, Buddhism. But have you studied Bhagavad Gita — a text very as both Hindu and Buddhist literature? Most or near-all “educated” Hindus and Buddhists perceive that Bhagavad Gita teaches repression. Repressive religion inculcated minds see near-everywhere the counsel of repression.

    But Bhagavad Gita’s REAL teaching is that health requires one become a beast — a creature lacking emotion, a creature of pure feeling and purely rational judgment.

    Emotion is irrational judgment. Hugely often, such judgment descends to socially pathological irrational judgment in neurotic, character-neurotic, and psychopathic humans (and, also, humans of very weak intelligence who are, somehow, yet capable of judgment). [I use “socially” to denote effect involving more than one human.]

    Emotion? Suddenly, you see a huge, boulderous, tree-embellished, snow-capped mountain, utterly new to your experience. You feel joyous awe. Then emotion intrudes. You deem the sight “magnificent,” “beautiful” — even if your judgment does not occur with words. But such emotion is not, itself, harmful. Harmful?

    Emotions include contempt, hate, greed, rabid lust, compassion (yes, compassion, which is a form of noblesse oblige) just as they include judgements that something is good, evil, bad, noble, saintly, devilish, worthy, unworthy, praiseworthy, morally wrong……. Those emotions are personally and socially problematic, or worse.

    Feelings, pure feelings, the feelings of beasts, even human beasts, ore very different from emotions. Feelings include hunger, thirst, loving lust, loving sexual satisfaction, empathy felt physically, the loyalty of beasts, a beast-mother’s love, a beast-human man’s feeling pride for his fatherhood, a beast’s mindless compulsion of sacrificing his life to save his mate or even another beast’s infant, as an alpha wolf will fight anything to the death to save his mate, as a Canada goose gander will starve to feed his goose mate, even fight anything to the death to save her.

    Such is what one apprehends — in one’s body, not merely in one’s brain — if one completes Orgonomic therapy. A few — very few — Hindu and Buddhist philosophers understood, as did the Stoics and the Essenes (like Jesus the Essene), as did the Chinese philosophers whose bestial insights produced Tao Te Ching.

    TAO TE CHING, CHAPTER 38 (my translation)

    A truly good man does not apprehend his goodness, and SO is good.
    A foolish man tries to be good, and SO is NOT good.

    A truly good man does nothing, yet leaves nothing undone.
    A foolish man is always doing, yet leaves much unfinished, even unattended.
    When a truly good man does something, all is complete.
    When a just man does something, he leaves much needing to be begun.
    When a disciplinarian does something & no one responds, he grinds his teeth and tries to enforce order.

    When Tao is lost, goodness does not exist.
    When goodness is lost, kindness begins.
    When kindness is lost, justice begins.
    When justice is lost, ritual begins.
    Ritual is the husk of faith & loyalty, the beginning of confusion.

    In “knowledge” of the future one finds just a gaudy sham of Tao.
    Prescience is the beginning of folly.
    The great man is the truly good, who dwells on what is real — the fruit, not the flower.
    Accept the fruit; ignore the flower.

  288. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Kali

    Serious error:

    On the second line of the the fifth paragraph of my comment of August 21, 2020 at 9:32 pm GMT (comment # 295), this appears:

    …double subjunctivity indicating great bought whether you are NOT a psychopath…

    The term “bought” ough to be the term “doubt.” Hence:

    …double subjunctivity indicating great doubt whether you are NOT a psychopath…

    My regret.

  289. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    Sadly, we find ourselves in a situation where we must choose, at the risk of harming innocent adults, to take alergations seriously, even where hard proof may be absent.

    It’s a difficult problem. Taking allegations seriously without proof is very very dangerous. I certainly would not like to see anyone prosecuted for something when there’s no hard evidence.

    It’s unfortunate but there’s just no safe way you can ever launch prosecutions in the absence of hard evidence. Once you do that you have taken a fatal and irreversible step towards totalitarianism.

    There’s certainly a problem that needs to be addressed, I’m not not denying that. However the fact is that certain things must remain non-negotiable – the presumption of innocence, the right to a fair trial, all the other rights of an accused person.

    An even more dangerous step (and I’m not suggesting that you’re advocating this) is to allow anonymous accusations. Or accusations about events in the distant past. If an alleged crime occurred twenty, thirty or forty years ago it is virtually impossible for the accused to get a fair trial. It’s again unfortunate but when an alleged crime occurred so long ago an accused person cannot effectively defend himself (or herself) and therefore should not have his or her life ruined as a result of accusations that cannot be proved. Unless there is convincing testimony from impartial witnesses it is dangerous to pursue such accusations, even if the pursuit of the accusations does not lead to prosecution.

    Some problems cannot be satisfactorily solved because there’s no way to balance the risks. And prosecutions without hard evidence or public accusations without hard evidence are horribly dangerous.

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  290. Kali says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Thought I’d jump back on this for a moment. Because your sophistry needs pointing out, Loup-Bouc.

    That, into a conversation overwhelmingly focused on sexual abuse and exploitation of children you would drop a line about being “an abused child”, and then attempt to lambast me for jumping to the conclusion that you clearly intended I would jump to marks you out as a psychopath, in my opinion.

    The first comment on this site that you ever addressed to me was on Larry Romanoffs’ MKULTRA article. (You know, Larry Romanoff, who you loved until you hated, much as you did me.)
    In that comment you expressed the opinion that my existance should be celebrated…. before identifying me as a “fellow beast” – whatever you mean by that?
    I know what “beast” means as colloquialism where I come from, and I’m sure I’ll be forgiven for agreeing, given your highly questionable contributions to this comment thread, for suspecting that you may indeed be one! Certainly, regardless of your unqualified pronouncements on the state of my mental health (I surely am given to neurotic tendencies, but not those you imagine) to my mind you certainly may be a beast. I’m only grateful that you prowl this website, where your potential for harming others is minimised.

    As for your subsequent self-mastibatory comments on this thread, and any other comments you make on this website from now on, I’ll be largely ignoring them. So you might as well shine your gaslight somewhere else.

    Thank you for your patients, Mr Shamir!
    I’ll not be commenting further on this thread (at least not in response to Loup-Bouc).

    Regards,
    Kali.

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  291. Kali says:
    @dfordoom

    Hi Dfordoom,

    You raise some very valid and important points. Presumption of innocence is fundamental, and rightly so!

    When I talk about absence of hard proof, I’m really referencing hard, physical evidence (DNA, photographic, documentary, etc). But there are technogres available such as lie-detector tests, which can be helpful in cases where hard evidence is absent. – And guilt, as with any other criminal charges, needs to be proved “beyond reasonable doubt”. All of that said, something being taken seriously, and something being prosecuted are not necessarily the same thing.

    I certainly would not like to see anyone prosecuted for something when there’s no hard evidence.

    Prosecutions without evidence are unlikely. It’s the standard of evidence which determines the likelihood of prosecution.

    However, when a child or an adult makes a formal accusation, then that accusation should be taken seriously and all efforts to determine the truth should be made by the relevant office, even where the accuser is disbelieved (as a self-medicating junkie, a prostitute, or whatever) and the aledged victim/accuser should be given all appropriate support, even where there is insufficient evidence to prosecute.

    I’m not suggesting “guilt by accusation” which is as dangerous as it sounds! But I am suggesting that this is an area of human activity which, not for political purposes (like the #metoo campaign) but because of the huge harm that it does to individuals and to wider society, needs to be taken seriously and addressed, not dismissed. And in that kind of scenario it’s likely that some false alergations will be made, and that some inocent people will be hurt (not necessarily through prosecution). I guess what I’m rejecting here is Israel Shamirs notion of “neo-puritanism”, because it risks allowing the further normalisation of sexual exploitation, which is already ubiquitous. I would rather see the entire sex industry* exposed, than see another million children’s lives ruined.

    (N. B. I am not referencing prostitution here – which I feel should be decriminalised –
    nore am I referencing any sexual activity which takes place between consenting adults.)

    Thank you for your patients, Mr Shamir!
    I’ll not be commenting further on this thread (at least not in response to Loup-Bouc).

    Sorry, I wrote that before I saw Dfordoom comment. – I’m playing catch-up after a busy few days. I’m also very tired and not very focused! Sorry.

    Regards,
    Kali.

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  292. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Kali

    Yours:

    That, into a conversation overwhelmingly focused on sexual abuse and exploitation of children you would drop a line about being “an abused child”, and then attempt to lambast me for jumping to the conclusion that you clearly intended I would jump to marks you out as a psychopath, in my opinion.

    Now you exhibit paranoia and its defense of “innocent” misinterpretation that insists an absent meaning was “clearly” present. Paranoia (yours) is consistent with psychopathy or narcissistic character-neurosis (yours). Whatever the “context” that YOU perceive, the proposition “abused child” does NOT EQUAL the proposition “sexually abused child.” And the ACTUAL context was MY text, which was:

    Having been an abused child, having had a mother and father who abandoned me to an orphanage, and twice having been an object of homosexual rape attempts, I feel much empathy for children and adults who suffer actual sexual abuse or kidnaping.

    [Homosexual rape attempts? I am heterosexual. Homosexuality is NOT “natural,” but a symptom of character neurosis that renders very many homosexuals variously dangerous. Most child-molesting Catholic priests (the boy-molesting ones) exemplify that character neurosis, as do many male “civilian” homosexuals who consider young boys delectable “chicken.” Recall the homosexual predations of ancient Rome and of ancient Greece (homosexual predations not unknown in modern Greece).]

    My comment of August 21, 2020 at 12:21 am GMT (comment # 291)

    But YOU “see” child sexual abuse seeping from under floor boards and down from attics and sluicing in plumbing pipes and out from faucets.

    Yours:

    I know what “beast” means as colloquialism where I come from, and I’m sure I’ll be forgiven for agreeing, given your highly questionable contributions to this comment thread, for suspecting that you may indeed be one!

    I use “beast” to denote the truly good human described in Tao Te Ching Chapter 38 — as I indicated in my comment of August 21, 2020 at 9:32 pm GMT (comment # 295), which quoted the whole of my translation of Chapter 38 of Tao Te Ching. I would urge that you try actually READING that comment (comment # 295), including its quote of Tao Te Ching. But you cannot READ. You “see” what your warped character needs to see.

    My term “beast” denotes an innocent child who has not been prevented from remaining so innocent as she passes through childhood and adolescence and becomes an adult who remains so innocent through the rest of her life. Such beast has not suffered any repression of her native sexuality. Such beast is what a neurotic human, even character-neurotic human, may become by undergoing Orgonomic psychotherapy.

    Infants are beasts. Near-all human children 4-years-old or older are neurotic or worse, not beasts. Most adolescent and adult humans are not beasts, but monsters.

    No wild beasts hurt other beasts, except to survive according to the commands of their genetic programming. Human genetic programming does not command that humans wage war or commit the many other rabid depredations (physical, psychic, economic……) that humans commit against other humans and all other life, even against the Earth itself; and THAT is the proof that most or near-all humans are NOT beasts.

    You are dangerous. Seek Orgonomic help. See here: https://www.orgonomy.org/therapy.html

  293. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    Prosecutions without evidence are unlikely. It’s the standard of evidence which determines the likelihood of prosecution.

    But unfortunately even when there’s no prosecution a person’s life can be comprehensively ruined by unproven and unprovable accusations. That’s actually a much bigger problem than actual prosecutions.

    However, when a child or an adult makes a formal accusation, then that accusation should be taken seriously and all efforts to determine the truth should be made by the relevant office, even where the accuser is disbelieved (as a self-medicating junkie, a prostitute, or whatever)

    If the accuser is disbelieved that’s almost certainly because there’s zero credible evidence, in which case there’s no valid reason to pursue any further enquiry.

    and the aledged victim/accuser should be given all appropriate support, even where there is insufficient evidence to prosecute.

    The problem with that is that it provides an incentive for people to make dubious accusations. It can mean rewarding people for making mischievous and malicious accusations.

    What’s really needed is for people who make false accusations (i.e.accusations that collapse because they are proven to be false) to know that they may pay a price for doing so. A price like prison time. People who make false accusations end up hurting the people who really have been legitimate victims.

    And in that kind of scenario it’s likely that some false alergations will be made, and that some inocent people will be hurt (not necessarily through prosecution).

    I which case the people making the false accusations should be prosecuted and innocent people who get hurt should get very very substantial damages. In a case of someone falsely accused of sexual abuse a fair amount of compensation would certainly run into the millions. It is also important that people who encourage others to make false accusations should face serious punishments.

    If there is no convincing evidence that a crime has been committed then an accused person must be presumed to be innocent. Which means that public accusations made against that person (by the media for example) should certainly be legally actionable.

    Even when the crime is murder we still believe (or should believe) that it is crucially important to defend the rights of accused persons, and we still believe (or should believe) that it is not acceptable for people to make false allegations and it is not acceptable for innocent people to be hurt.

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  294. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    I guess what I’m rejecting here is Israel Shamirs notion of “neo-puritanism”, because it risks allowing the further normalisation of sexual exploitation, which is already ubiquitous.

    I can’t speak for Israel Shamir but a person can certainly reject neo-puritanism without being in favour of sexual exploitation.

    Of course some people define sexual exploitation so broadly that practically everything vaguely relating to sex is seen as exploitation.

    N. B. I am not referencing prostitution here – which I feel should be decriminalised –

    I agree. Although I think it should be entirely legal rather than merely be decrimininalised.

    What’s your view on pornography?

  295. Kali says:
    @dfordoom

    The problem with that is that it provides an incentive for people to make dubious accusations. It can mean rewarding people for making mischievous and malicious accusations.

    Only if one imagines “support” to mean financial or other reward.
    I was actually thinking of counseling, support with addiction and similar services to help the individual (to help themselves) at a more deeply personal level.

    What’s really needed is for people who make false accusations (i.e.accusations that collapse because they are proven to be false) to know that they may pay a price for doing so. A price like prison time. People who make false accusations end up hurting the people who really have been legitimate victims.

    Fair point, and I do agree. But the burden of proof must be the same as in all other cases. If it can be show that someone has deliberately made a false alergation, knowing the potential harm that might be inflicted on the accused as a result of the accusation, then the penalty should be harsh.

    And for those alergations which prove true the penalty, depending on the nature and severity of the abuse inflicted, should include death.

    I think we could go around in circles forever on this one, but I maintain that an abused child becomes a damaged adult, and that cycles of abuse can continue for generations.
    Stopping that cycle, in my opinion, is key to setting humankind on a healthier trajectory, so support for victims/survivors of abuse is an integral part of undoing the harm done, whist prevention of abuse by all means available, including deterrance via capital punishment should not be shied away from.

    You ask in your next comment about my view on pornography.

    Personally I find it demeaning to all parties involved, including the viewers of it. But, again, if all parties are consenting adults, then that’s their lookout.

    Maybe there should be a lower age limit of 21 or so, for … actors? (Really not sure what to call them! 😮 ) But I have to say I’ve not given the matter any serious thought beyond the need to protect minors.

    The ramifications for wider society may be a lot more complex than this brief comment suggests. – Earlier we discussed the sexualisation of children in society. What part (adult) pornography plays in that process is open for debate. (What passes for “dancing” these days is virtually pornographic. How did that state of affairs come about?)

    We live in a profoundly sick world on so many levels, and that sickness seems to be pushed by various interested parties. It’s a very tangled web that’s been woven around us! Untangling the whole thing is way beyond me!

    I often think of Velicovskys’ Worlds in Collision, and wonder if a cosmic reset, such as the one he postulated, might be just what we need… And may the survivors make a better job of restructuring society than the mono-god pushers of bygone times.

    Best wishes,
    Kali.

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  296. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kali

    I was actually thinking of counseling, support with addiction and similar services to help the individual (to help themselves) at a more deeply personal level.

    I have no real problems with that.

    Earlier we discussed the sexualisation of children in society. What part (adult) pornography plays in that process is open for debate. (What passes for “dancing” these days is virtually pornographic. How did that state of affairs come about?)

    I think there are two issues here. One is pornography. The other is the sexualisation of mainstream popular culture. I think they’re separate issues. To me it seems that the excessive sexualisation of mainstream popular culture is a much more serious problem, but excessive is the operative word here. You can’t eliminate sex from pop culture (or high culture), nor would I want to.

    To be honest the only thing I have a real problem with is the sexualisation of pop culture aimed specifically at children (such as pop music). But there again it depends on the target audience. If the target audience is 12-year-olds or 14-year-olds then yes I have a real problem with that. If it’s 16-year-olds I have less of a problem with it. 16-year-olds are over the age of consent anyway (at least in my country). The problem we have is that there is today a lot of sexual content in material aimed at 12-year-olds.

    I think you need a balance between healthy open acceptance of sexuality and the need to protect children. As a society we’ve certainly lost that balance. We’re gyrating insanely between libertinism and puritanism and that’s incredibly confusing (and dangerous) for teenagers.

    And for those alergations which prove true the penalty, depending on the nature and severity of the abuse inflicted, should include death.

    I’m horrified by the idea of having the death penalty for crimes that are notoriously difficult to prove, where proof often comes down to one person’s word against another’s, and where there is known to be a huge problem with false accusations. The inevitable result would be a lot of innocent people being executed. An absolutely horrifying idea.

  297. @Mefobills

    Critically necessary bedrock history for finding freedom from Jew tyranny:

    This branch of Protestantism was funded into existence by Amsterdam’s Jewish community using ill-gotten stock market capital. The old testament was used as a bludgeon to make the Jew “special people of god.”

    The printing of bibles in Amsterdam was an opportunity to overturn Catholicism
    . The Catholic church had bottled up the Jews to prevent them (Jews) from doing harm to European/Christian civilization. Using newly printed Athias Bibles, printed at great expense and given to the English, allowed Jewish old testament narrative take hold of the English mind.

    Byzantium also bottled up Jews to prevent them from doing harm to consensual civilization, especially under Justinian law.

    Note that both civilizations (Western Catholic and Eastern Orthodox) were undermined by Jewish method.

  298. Johan says:

    “Perhaps now I am going to lose your tentative sympathy, but I do not believe the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein and Ms Ghislaine Maxwell, either. And the attack on Prince Andrew is similarly unbelievable. ”

    If I may finish this.

    The democratic public with its inborn hate towards elites, hate of everything above them, loves to lynch. Including the public of alternative media. They are, like Oscar Wilde wrote, mud throwers.
    These allegations and many other of such folk narratives floating around both in the so called MSM media (mass man media), and Alternative Media (alternative mass man media) appear rather a product of their own baseness and sphere of interests.., in this case related to their gross sexuality which produces likewise imaginations..

    In case the democratic public fancies a member of an elite, the latter has to be careful because the sentiment when it changes, it swings to the other end, after which the mud throwing starts.

    The democratic public are the Holy Cows, the measure of all things, to which all pander, a ticket to power. About all media is His Highness Global Gossip Circuit, or tailored specifically to His Interests, with here and there some article of quality. By all means, bring it to them gently.

  299. Johan says:
    @Kali

    ” but I maintain that an abused child becomes a damaged adult, and that cycles of abuse can continue for generations”

    This one is by now a creed, a dogma used for political purposes, and stressed to the point of ridiculousness. The reason why it is stressed so much, and why it has become an accepted creed is because society knows of little higher things to worry about.
    How do we know about the extent of this damage, how do we know that there are not many other psychological damages which continue to be a lifelong problem, things which are much more subtle, but which come to define a person in much more situations than traumas of a sexual nature. After all, the latter is related to sexuality, and sexuality is just a minor part of life.

    Our society being obsessed with sexuality, this idea of sexual abuse and its alleged damage by virtue (or vice) of its nature has become a widely accepted creed. The creed is an expression of its obsession.

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